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IRC Log for 2012-07-12

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[0:00] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ah right - and the code overhead of packing pixels into bits might not be worh it ...
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> with the 3310 do you need to then do a read/modify/write to set a single pixel in the block of 8?
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[0:01] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Not so worried about that, so much as the fact that an array of unsigned char can be literally edited in code, as you just organise your array into rows/cols and can actually see the picture
[0:01] <reider59> If you wanted to print a character on all four lines (or any one) of an LCD Module in Python are they addressed by XY or something else to get the line and position?
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> reider59, the LCDs I'm using are XY addressable.
[0:02] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: http://pastebin.com/cnZJ4LgD you might have to go super squinty!
[0:02] <reider59> nice one, thanks
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[0:02] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I can see that! :)
[0:02] <Gadgetoid> 3 = transparent, 1 = on, 0 = off... 2 will actually xor the pixel
[0:02] <zeeZ> I see what you did there
[0:02] <zeeZ> I am neo
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> reider59, it's not obvious though - line 1 is offset 0x00, line 2 is offset 0x40
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[0:03] <gordonDrogon> reider59, static uint8_t rowOff [4] = { 0x00, 0x40, 0x14, 0x54 } ;
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> it's really a linear buffer - or rather 2 linear buffers of 20 characters , so you go off the end of line 1 and start on line 3. same for line 2 to line 4.
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> it's a bunch of horrible optimisations made by the tiny on-board microcontroller(s) for it all.
[0:06] <reider59> that`s horrid!
[0:07] <reider59> looks like good old trial and error will be used a lot until it clicks
[0:07] <reider59> or doesn`t ;-)
[0:08] <reider59> I have 2 lines up on the 4x20 connected to the Pi......
[0:08] <reider59> Using a sample meant for a 16x2 anyway
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> ok. as long as you put it into 2-line mode it'll be fine. (even though it's 4-lines)
[0:09] <Gadgetoid> I've now added #define _ 0 #define X 1 to my code :D
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> entry-level obscurificated C programming contest entry ... ;-)
[0:10] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: quite the opposite, actually, it makes the arrays of pixels really ultra visible in the Arduino IDE
[0:10] <Gadgetoid> But... er... yeah... it's hacktacular
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> :)
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> I'm creating a thread to display the digits in the background...
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[0:12] <reider59> I found some Python stuff for later. Adds a character top left corner that moves up/down vertically while the rest of the line moves horizontally then has other tricks on other lines and a few custom characters and other things. Not sure if any are usable yet
[0:12] <reider59> smiley faces and gawd knows what
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[0:21] <ThomasJ73> Yay, HTTPD and FTPD both up and running.. :)
[0:22] <NucWin> :o i may have just made a kernel
[0:22] <ThomasJ73> NucWin: Grats! And I was excited cause I got an image host running!.. lol... *smh*
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[0:23] <NucWin> well i might have managed armv6zk hardfloat archlinux kernel package
[0:23] <ThomasJ73> Just wanted an easy way to transfer pics from my phone to my PI and be able to share, I reckon that was the easiest way.. FTP them to the RPi then [through SSH] move them into my http/img path..
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[0:24] <ThomasJ73> NucWin: I have no idea what you just said...
[0:24] <NucWin> what phone you have?
[0:25] <ThomasJ73> NucWin: HTC Doubleshot [Android v4.0.4 (Cyanogenmod 9 {ICS})]
[0:25] <NucWin> ES File Explorer could ssh the files straight to the http/img path
[0:25] <ThomasJ73> Dual-core 1.1GHz Snapdragon OC'd to 1.8GHz
[0:25] <NucWin> nice
[0:26] <ThomasJ73> NucWin: Oh?!?! I have ES, will have to look at that!
[0:26] <ThomasJ73> I can kill that FTP (I hate running FTP daemons, they always seem to attract trouble for me)
[0:26] <NucWin> ssh more secure
[0:27] <Maior> sftp iyf
[0:27] <gordonDrogon> I run proftpd, but only because I have to. a lot of my clients haven't yet worked out ftps/sftp yet...
[0:27] <Maior> gordonDrogon: get better clients ;)
[0:27] <ThomasJ73> I am just running bftpd
[0:27] <gordonDrogon> Maior, I wish...
[0:27] <NucWin> its where you setup ftp client in es you can also do ssh
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[0:28] <gordonDrogon> I'm actually starting to firewall out port 80 for some sites that are both 80 and 443, but they are potentially sensitive sites anyway.
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[0:29] <ThomasJ73> No option for SSH... Only FTP, FTPS, SFTP and WEBDAV
[0:29] <NucWin> SFTP
[0:30] <NucWin> will connect to ssh
[0:30] <ThomasJ73> NucWin: k
[0:30] <ThomasJ73> Holy crap, that's awesome!
[0:31] <NucWin> ;) ES RULES
[0:31] <piney0> I hope i'm doing something wrong, I don't get any video output on my hdmi monitor plugged in to the raspberry pi (using a 1000ma power adapter)
[0:31] <piney0> even if i did something wrong on the SD card, i should see something on the monitor, right?
[0:32] <NucWin> if sd wrong it wont boot
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[0:32] <ThomasJ73> piney0: No
[0:32] <ThomasJ73> piney0: If SD image flash is bad, you will have a black screen
[0:32] <reider59> just a red LED on the PI?
[0:32] <NucWin> also might not enable hdmi if the monitor is not on the right input when the power is plugged
[0:32] <reider59> Pi
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[0:33] <piney0> just red led, the green one is lit so dim i wouldn't count it as lit
[0:33] <reider59> most likely the SD Card
[0:33] <piney0> it's the SD card image then, i'll re-do that.
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[0:33] <piney0> thanks, relieved now that i know :)
[0:33] <ThomasJ73> Ok, someone please test one more time for me, since for some reason I cannot connect to my own server from these stupid laptops.. (Can only connect by local IP, not by dyndns address)
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[0:33] <ThomasJ73> http://kprpi.dyndns.org
[0:33] <ThomasJ73> Many many thanks in advance!
[0:34] <Maior> mmm I need to get openvpn sorted
[0:35] <kokakoda> Yeah, that works ThomasJ73.
[0:35] <ThomasJ73> Thank you, kokakoda
[0:36] <reider59> worked here too
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[0:37] <reider59> is that a big hand you have or a small Pi? ;-)
[0:37] <ThomasJ73> Woohoo.. please don't judge the site, simply there for me to share images with friends, family and collegues
[0:37] <ThomasJ73> reider59: LoL
[0:37] <ThomasJ73> reider59: I have those little girly hands.. :P
[0:37] <reider59> That`s OK, we all do that at some point or other. I did single pages before
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[0:38] <Reedy> I see quite a few people seem to be adding heatsinks...
[0:38] * ThomasJ73 really needs to get back to work on his Pi case
[0:38] <ThomasJ73> Reedy: I don't really feel much heat coming from it, but I am just that way... the cooler I keep, I figure, the longer it will last me
[0:39] <ThomasJ73> reider59: I just really don't have time to add in0~-line frames and such.. perhaps some day, but not any time soon.. :/
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[0:41] <Hexxeh> does anyone know how teh_orph got on with his X stuff?
[0:41] <kokakoda> Was wondering that myself Hexxeh.
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[0:44] <KrnlPanic> holy cow, it's already balmost 19:00! Time for bed for me!
[0:44] <KrnlPanic> Night y'all!
[0:47] <Hexxeh> friggle: any idea how things are going with that?
[0:47] <Hexxeh> i read somewhere that there are plans for accelerated X in wheezy soon
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[0:48] <friggle> Hexxeh: he's done some stuff, but there's no real breakthrough. His armv6 optimised memcpy/memset seems nice (gives a surprisingly large boost in throughput vs the glibc default implementation)
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> is that generally avalable?
[0:48] <friggle> gordonDrogon: https://github.com/simonjhall/copies-and-fills
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[0:49] <gordonDrogon> Oh, using LD_PRELOAD.
[0:49] <friggle> gordonDrogon: yeah
[0:49] <friggle> for the time being
[0:49] <Hexxeh> i'd really like to go the angle of not using X at all
[0:49] <Hexxeh> but i don't really know enough opengles to make that work
[0:49] <gordonDrogon> ought to be easy to run some tests then.
[0:50] <Hexxeh> i keep meaning to have a proper stab at it, but chromium is a beast to work with so it's like ehhhh.
[0:50] <gordonDrogon> My BASIC uses (I guess) a memcpy internally to blit sprites around the screen...
[0:50] <gordonDrogon> if X uses memcpy too, then instant win...
[0:50] <Hexxeh> though I did commit a really nice hack for running on the RPi today for Chromium OS
[0:51] <Hexxeh> or not today, but like, last week or so
[0:51] <Hexxeh> so that auto-update works properly
[0:51] <Hexxeh> and you don't need to use both an SD card and a USB stick
[0:52] <Hexxeh> i've got a couple patches due to go in that make building a raspi image as easy as building any other board
[0:52] <friggle> neat
[0:52] <Hexxeh> i've also dished a few raspberrypis out to interested folks in the office
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[0:52] <friggle> Hexxeh: where are you at?
[0:52] <buzzkill> my second is supposed to be here tomorrow
[0:52] <Hexxeh> google
[0:52] <friggle> ah, thought so
[0:52] <Hexxeh> there are a few folks excited about seeing it running on a pi
[0:53] <Hexxeh> and a lot more who think it's rather too weedy... :P
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[0:57] <NucWin> configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. <-- should hope not (im cross compiling)
[0:57] <gordonDrogon> makes my BASIC sprites go slower.
[0:57] <Maior> people using LCD displays etc. - what're you using between the GPIO and LCD?
[0:58] <Maior> (I'm assuming not just a direct wiring...)
[0:58] <gordonDrogon> copper wires, mostly.
[0:58] <gordonDrogon> yes, direct wiring.
[0:58] <NucWin> argh cant build gcc or binutils because of above error :s
[0:58] <Maior> gordonDrogon: oh interesting, ok
[0:58] <gordonDrogon> Maior, I'm also using 5V LCDs...
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[1:00] <gordonDrogon> Hm. wasting 18% cpu to drive a 4 digit multiplexed LED display.
[1:00] * Maior works out what the LCD he has is
[1:00] <gordonDrogon> is it a text based one?
[1:01] <Maior> er
[1:01] <Maior> dot-matrix
[1:01] <gordonDrogon> ok, but text based or graphical?
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[1:01] <Maior> gordonDrogon: text
[1:02] <Hexxeh> anyone know if there are plans to upstream the u-boot rpi stuff?
[1:02] <gordonDrogon> ok - there are very few variants...
[1:02] <Maior> ah, excellent, think it's one of these http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Arduino-LCD-1602-16x2-Character-LCD-Module-with-Blue-Backlight-/180861007061?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item2a1c27f4d5#ht_2528wt_1144 so 5V
[1:02] <gordonDrogon> Maior, ok- it's work out of the box.
[1:03] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/lcd-library/
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[1:03] <Maior> gordonDrogon: excellent, thanks
[1:04] <gordonDrogon> well my little excercise to try an LED display mostly works.
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[1:05] <gordonDrogon> 4 digits, multiplexed, running a concurrent thread with a real-time schedulling priority. 500uS between segment lights.
[1:07] <jondeaux> anyone happen to know what python package is included on debian squeeze distro?
[1:07] <gordonDrogon> do you mean the version of python?
[1:07] <jondeaux> i know version is 2.6
[1:07] <gordonDrogon> so what are you after?
[1:08] <jondeaux> however, roomate installed python 3.1 from terminal, then removed the original package...
[1:08] <gordonDrogon> give me a command to type and I'll type it on a debian Pi...
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[1:09] <jondeaux> i was using the original python 2.6 on lxde, which is no longer there
[1:10] <gordonDrogon> I guess it depends on how 3.1 was installed - but you could simply try apt-get install python
[1:11] <jondeaux> do you know if 3.1 has a gui on lxde?
[1:12] <gordonDrogon> I don't use python, sorry.
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[1:12] <tech2077> why is this channel registered nicks only
[1:12] <Maior> gordonDrogon: I'm planning to run mine via Python probably, fwiw, but given your page, that's most of the work done, cheers :)
[1:12] <tech2077> it's messing with xchat
[1:13] <tech2077> Maior, run what?
[1:13] <Maior> tech2077: LCD display
[1:13] <tech2077> i have a library in python!
[1:13] <reider59> put a 10 second delay in for XChat
[1:13] <gordonDrogon> Maior, sure - feel free to use that as a template.
[1:13] <Maior> gordonDrogon: cheers :)
[1:13] <Maior> tech2077: for LCD displays?
[1:14] <tech2077> yeah
[1:14] <reider59> set irc_join_delay 10
[1:14] <Maior> tech2077: link?
[1:14] <gordonDrogon> where do you set that about in xchat?
[1:14] <tech2077> http://tech2077.blogspot.com/2012/06/running-hd44780-lcd-over-i2c-on.html
[1:14] <reider59> in the "Connect Command"
[1:14] <tech2077> it's over i2c with an io expander though
[1:15] <Maior> tech2077: ah, I was going to use GPIO
[1:15] <tech2077> hmm, should add that to my library
[1:15] <gordonDrogon> Maior, you have to for your display - it doesn' support i2c.
[1:16] <gordonDrogon> tech2077, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/lcd-library/
[1:16] <Maior> gordonDrogon: nod
[1:17] <gordonDrogon> cheesy video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBf3U--tNL8
[1:20] <tech2077> nice
[1:20] * tech2077 doesn't like the current state of GPIO access in python, so he cheated using a io expander
[1:20] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[1:21] <gordonDrogon> get Gadgetoid's python wrappers to wiringPi :)
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[1:21] <tech2077> that would be nice
[1:21] <gordonDrogon> https://github.com/WiringPi
[1:22] <Gadgetoid> My wrapper still needs work, I've got a fork of WiringPi-Python that I'm playing with
[1:22] <gordonDrogon> ah, still awake.. :)
[1:22] <Pickley> I have a PHP lib but thats not a wrap :P
[1:22] <Pickley> and it only uses BCM numbers so far.
[1:22] <gordonDrogon> Pickley, stick to BCM numbers.
[1:22] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi now understands BCM numbers.
[1:22] <Pickley> pin 17 etc
[1:22] <Pickley> :P
[1:22] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[1:22] <Maior> gordonDrogon: Gadgetoid: exactly what I'm looking for, cheers
[1:22] <Pickley> https://github.com/pickley/PHP-GPIO
[1:23] <Gadgetoid> I've been toying with Pin and Shift objects: https://github.com/Gadgetoid/WiringPi-Python/blob/master/wiringpi_class.py
[1:23] <Pickley> My PHP is so shit haha
[1:23] <Pickley> :P
[1:23] <Pickley> but it works
[1:23] <Maior> Pickley: s/My // ;P
[1:23] <Pickley> there is good PHP out there.
[1:23] <Pickley> just not a lot of it.
[1:23] <Maior> there's only so much code Phil Sturgeon can write
[1:23] <gordonDrogon> Pickley, if you use my gpio program, you can export the pins without needing root access, then run your php scripts - again without needing root access...
[1:23] <Gadgetoid> Pickley: what do you do with the PHP lib?
[1:24] <Pickley> gordonDrogon: Good point. I run on arch so the main account is root anyway lmao
[1:24] <Pickley> Gadgetoid: I just made it quickly to do some tests with the GPIO
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[1:24] <Pickley> I'll probably swap to Python for real stuff
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[1:25] <gordonDrogon> Pickley, nah, swap to C for real stuff ;-0
[1:25] <Pickley> :P
[1:25] <gordonDrogon> arch uses root as default?
[1:25] <Pickley> Currently I have the PHP lib imported into a chat bot as an extension
[1:25] <Pickley> lol
[1:25] <Pickley> yup
[1:25] <Pickley> the image they provide anyway
[1:26] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, got the LEDs going now. nice and steady with hardly a flicker.... sitting at about 18% cpu usage.
[1:26] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Using pure C?
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[1:27] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes.
[1:27] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, my pixel font drawing works but blows the Arduino memory budget by about 10 times, ha
[1:27] <Pickley> My eventual aim is to control that Cybot thing via the chat lol
[1:27] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I set a real-time schedulling class.... and have created a thread to constantly dump the digits to the display...
[1:27] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, 2KB ...
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[1:27] <Pickley> poo I have a LED two digit number display.
[1:28] <Pickley> *oo
[1:28] <Gadgetoid> Nice gordonDrogon! my shift-register method is very flickery
[1:29] <gordonDrogon> if I used a separate transistor to sink the current, I could move from 4 resistors to 8 (one per segment rather than one per digit) and drive all 8 segments concurrently.
[1:29] <reider59> Think I`ll move my Pi tomorrow so I can see the LCD without leaning over
[1:29] <gordonDrogon> that would reduce the flicker and cpu overhead.
[1:29] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Woah, you're driving one *segment* at a time?
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[1:30] <gordonDrogon> Yes. that's the only 'legal' way to avoid overloading the gpio pin that's sinking the current.
[1:30] <gordonDrogon> each segment is on for 500uS, so 4 x 8 = 32 segments, cycle time is 16mS
[1:31] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Ah, I sank current via a darlington array
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[1:31] <gordonDrogon> I could .... drive the segments in parallel right now, but because they would be in parallel with one resistor their brightness would vary considerably.
[1:32] <gordonDrogon> I'm using a 220 ohm resistor on each digit - it's bright, but not brilliant.
[1:33] <Maior> my sole experience with LCDs has been for http://radioartisan.wordpress.com/yaesu-rotator-computer-serial-interface/ - I was planning to work from there
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[1:34] <tech2077> Gadgetoid, how are you doing pixel font
[1:35] <Gadgetoid> tech2077: In a very bloaty way, an array of unsigned char[][56]{}
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[1:35] <Gadgetoid> One unsigned char for each pixel just blows the memory budget instantly, handy for small graphics though as you can *see* them in code
[1:36] <tech2077> heh
[1:36] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/led1.jpg
[1:36] <gordonDrogon> colour's a bit weird, but it's was a 1-second exposure.
[1:36] <tech2077> Gadgetoid, have any pictures
[1:36] <Gadgetoid> I'm going to have to rewrite the LcdString() function now instead, as it writes text directly to the LCD and thus lacks any opacity support
[1:36] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, are you using the program memory to store the characters?
[1:37] <Gadgetoid> tech2077: might do eventually
[1:37] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: they're stored in a big array, so presumably yes... I think there's a way to force them to flash though?
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[1:38] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes - you really want to do that - else they get copied to RAM at run-time.
[1:38] <tech2077> i personally wouldn't use a hd44780 for graphics, expecially anything more than 8 frames
[1:38] <gordonDrogon> you need to do extra "stuff" to extract them though, but it's probably worth it.
[1:39] <gordonDrogon> tech2077, I think Gadgetoid has a different type of display - it's the nokia 3310 display...
[1:40] <tech2077> ah
[1:40] <Gadgetoid> Yup!
[1:40] <gordonDrogon> those character displays have gaps )-:
[1:40] <Gadgetoid> Although I have used a character LCD for graphics... with... interesting results
[1:40] <gordonDrogon> Actually, I saw something recently on a 4x20...
[1:41] <tech2077> i'm planning a audio spectrum display
[1:43] <gordonDrogon> I have one of these: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/graphic-lcd-128x64-stn-led-backlight-p-542.html
[1:43] <tech2077> so the graphics should easy, only 7 steps
[1:43] <gordonDrogon> which is my next interface project.
[1:44] <gordonDrogon> however I must now go to bed...
[1:45] <tech2077> ah, can you read back whats displayed?
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[1:51] <sp3tt> So how do you get less than 30 % packet loss on USB keyboards
[1:51] <sp3tt> It's impossible to even type "root" to log in.
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[1:55] <Gadgetoid> thanks for the push in the flash mem direction gordonDrogon, got my font rendering now with opacity and animating awesomefaces behind it
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[2:02] <sp3tt> i realize it's cheap but for $35 i still expect to be able to FUCKING TYPE
[2:02] <M0RBD> Anyone going to the RPIJam in Cambridge this weekend..
[2:02] <sp3tt> 15+ tries to just login, ridiculious
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[2:03] <reider59> try asking without cussing
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[2:04] <sp3tt> try typing anything longer than five characters when each keystorke has an equal chance of (1) going through (2) being ignored (3) being treated as the key held down
[2:04] <reider59> works OK here
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[2:05] <sp3tt> you ignored the part that starts with "when each..."
[2:05] <sp3tt> the keyboard is connected to a powered hub too so it's not that
[2:05] <cehteh> sp3tt: use a powered hub, or a better power supply, or another keyboard which draws less power
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[2:05] <cehteh> heh ok :)
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[2:05] <cehteh> well measure the voltage at the rpi
[2:06] <sp3tt> the pi is powered from another source too
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[2:06] <sp3tt> don't have a multimeter at hand
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[2:06] <cehteh> its most likely a power problem
[2:06] <sp3tt> i turn of the backlighting but that doesn't help
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[2:06] <sp3tt> so a powered usb hub can't even pwoer a keyboard
[2:06] <sp3tt> without backlighting
[2:07] <cehteh> my crystal sphere is damaged sorry i cant tell
[2:07] <JMichaelX> mplayer or mplayer-gui?
[2:07] <reider59> do those crystal spheres come with backlights? ;-)
[2:10] <sp3tt> 50 tries later, i've managed to type the password "root". wonderful.
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[2:11] <Ben64> maybe if you complain more it will help
[2:11] <reider59> try and get it down to 40
[2:13] <JMichaelX> chromium-browser is seeming too heavy for the pi
[2:14] <sp3tt> the best part is when you manage to type 10 characters, get a flood and press backspace, only to have everything deleted
[2:14] <reider59> it`s a free game
[2:14] <cehteh> just fix it somehow and dont complain :P
[2:14] <JMichaelX> sp3tt: sounds like you need a different USB hub
[2:14] <cehteh> or different keybaord
[2:15] <kokakoda> JMichaelX: +1 for xombrero. It's pretty light, and has vim keybinds. W00t.
[2:15] <cehteh> here i can connect keyboard and mouse without a hub and it works most of the time
[2:15] <sp3tt> I managed to power the pi through the hub. surely the keyboard should usue less power
[2:15] <sp3tt> it is rated at 350ma on the underside but as i said i turn the backlighting off and it still doesn't help
[2:15] <cehteh> well, does it work [ ] ?
[2:16] <cehteh> try another keyboard
[2:16] <sp3tt> don't have one at hand
[2:16] <cehteh> none? on what do you type here? laptop?
[2:17] <ReggieUK> backlighting probably isn't going to take 150ma
[2:17] <reider59> I have an LCD Module on the GPIO pins, WiFi adapter directly running off the Pi USB Port. Unpowered USB in the 2nd port with 2 BT Adaptors on. But then I checked the forum and checked the recommended hardware list before I got the Pi.
[2:17] <sp3tt> the same keyboard
[2:17] <ReggieUK> powering the pi from the hub probably isn't a good idea either
[2:17] <sp3tt> hotplugging it between pi and desktop
[2:17] <reider59> oops USB Hub
[2:18] <cehteh> ReggieUK: it could easily do that, 6-8 white leds dawing 40mA each
[2:18] <ReggieUK> for a keyboard?
[2:18] <JMichaelX> kokakoda: ty, i'll give that a try. i was also looking to see if there wasn't a build of dillo out there somewhere
[2:18] <cehteh> backlighting
[2:18] <ReggieUK> seems excessive
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[2:18] <cehteh> the n900 has 6 SMD leds for the keyboard alone
[2:18] <cehteh> they are dimmed .. but still
[2:19] <ReggieUK> and small?
[2:19] <cehteh> for a normal sized keyboard i would expect more/brighter leds
[2:19] <cehteh> dont forget that they need to spread the light on a lot surface and these spreading layers/foils give a lot loss
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[2:22] <ReggieUK> hmmmn, I'm not convinced but don't want to argue :)
[2:23] <cehteh> i am only guessing too, anyways he saied it doesnt work even with the backlighting off
[2:23] <cehteh> still i suspect some power problems
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[2:24] <ReggieUK> has this keyboard got other special features other than leds
[2:24] <ReggieUK> like a built in hub?
[2:24] <ReggieUK> and which image is being used?
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[2:27] <SpeedEvil> lsusb -v |awk '/MaxPower/;/id[VP]/'
[2:27] <SpeedEvil> will show a list of stuff, with its max defined power
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[2:33] <sp3tt> that's great but it will take me half an hour to type that
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[2:35] <reider59> Put Debian Wheezy on another SD Card, run it, it has SSH built in, use the keyboard on your PC to check it over SSH.
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[2:35] <ReggieUK> do you have a usb to serial adapter anywhere?
[2:35] <sp3tt> It works over SSH
[2:36] <ReggieUK> then ssh in and run lsusb blah blah blah :)
[2:36] <sp3tt> but then my one keyboard won't be connected to the pi
[2:36] <sp3tt> so lsusb won't actually do anything
[2:36] <sp3tt> not that i can set up wireless networking over ssh
[2:36] <ReggieUK> are you running windows?
[2:36] <reider59> virtual keyboard built into Windows
[2:36] <sp3tt> and ntot that that's even possible because arch linux wiki pages are aaawfuuul
[2:36] <ReggieUK> reider59, ha, I was about to suggest that
[2:37] <sp3tt> least helpful linux related pages i've ever read
[2:37] <reider59> lol ;-)
[2:37] <ReggieUK> sp3tt, try the wheezy image
[2:37] <reider59> I use it for card payments, never the normal keyboard
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[2:37] <ReggieUK> wow, that's some paranoia :)
[2:38] <reider59> no online banking either, not a chance
[2:39] <SpeedEvil> I use a virtual keyboard for online banking too.
[2:39] <SpeedEvil> Even with linux.
[2:39] <kokakoda> What's wrong with the Arch wiki? Damn fine info there, I'd say.
[2:39] <reider59> Best way Speed
[2:39] <SpeedEvil> Of course, that's as the real keyboard is under the blankets, and there is no echo on the screen, and typos are annoying as they lock me out.
[2:39] <sp3tt> the page on wireless is terrible
[2:40] <sp3tt> From Linux kernel 3.0, the staging driver rt2860sta is replaced by the mainline driver rt2800pci, and rt2870sta is replaced by rt2800usb. As a result, the staging drivers are deleted. Source: Kernel commit
[2:40] <sp3tt> In kernel since 2.6.29 and requires no extra packages. It can be configured using the standard wpa_supplicant and iwconfig tools. Unfortunately this does not go for Arch. In order to get it to work, blacklist the following kernel modules:
[2:40] <reider59> I sit in the dark so sometimes the backlit screen helps on the virtual keyboard lol
[2:40] <kokakoda> Ah, THAT driver.
[2:40] <sp3tt> do i still blacklist in 3.0+? what does it even mean to me that staging drivers are deleted
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[2:42] <sp3tt> let's see, max powers, 100 mA, 450 mA, 500 mA
[2:42] <kokakoda> You'd add the rt2860sta to your blacklist. Used to be that you'd !bang it out in your rc.conf, can't remember where it moved to. Let me do some digging for you...
[2:42] <sp3tt> i managed to find that file
[2:43] <sp3tt> thing is rt2800usb is loaded but no wireless interface is created
[2:43] <sp3tt> of course the wiki doesn't tell me what to do if that happens because it just says that should happen
[2:43] <JMichaelX> my pi just crashed, while trying to upgrade to packages from debian-multimedia
[2:43] <kokakoda> What are you using to bring up the interface?
[2:44] <sp3tt> i can't bring it up. it doesn't exist.
[2:45] <reider59> Does this help any? http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta
[2:45] <reider59> helped someone earlier with the RT3070
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[2:46] <JMichaelX> sp3tt: i was experiencing the same thing with a belkin adapter. i installed the ralink firmware packages, added usbcore to /etc/modules, etc, but the adapter never showed up.
[2:46] <JMichaelX> i just finished getting a no-name rt3070 dongle going instead
[2:46] <sp3tt> ... I have a rt3070.
[2:46] <Gadgetoid> mmmm, kerning
[2:46] <sp3tt> that's SUPPOSED to be supported with just the kernel but OOOH NOOOO
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[2:47] <JMichaelX> sp3tt: are you using debian?
[2:47] <JMichaelX> sp3tt: i think there can still be variations in the chipset that make a difference...
[2:48] <sp3tt> arch
[2:48] <JMichaelX> someone earlier gave me this link: http://mitchtech.net/realtek-wireless-dongle-rt3070-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[2:48] <reider59> Thats`s OK, same with my Edimax 7811Un, was supposed to be supported but the driver was different. A script sorted it, these things happen.
[2:48] <JMichaelX> this like may still help
[2:48] <sp3tt> and it's the arch wiki that say it's supposed to be supported. see why it's the lesat helpful thing i've ever read?
[2:48] <reider59> Think that was me
[2:48] <sp3tt> the stuff that isn't confusing seems to be either outdated or wrong
[2:48] <JMichaelX> reider59: yes, it was you :-D
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[2:49] <JMichaelX> reider59: and that method got my dongle working just fine
[2:49] <reider59> good to hear
[2:49] <reider59> glad you got sorted
[2:49] <JMichaelX> i need to come up with a better on/off switch than just plug/unplug :-D
[2:50] <reider59> I use a remote controlled socket, got 3 for a fiver from Asda
[2:50] <JMichaelX> reider59: yep, that link helped out a lot. i am not sure why my other adapter would not work.
[2:50] <reider59> now ?15 for the three
[2:51] <reider59> I`ll have some more if they ever go on offer again, got 2 sets the first time
[2:51] <JMichaelX> reider59: supply & demand affected by raspberry pi users?
[2:51] <JMichaelX> ahh
[2:52] <reider59> No, got them ages before and I suspect they were marked with the wrong price.
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[2:52] <richardcreme> hi guys 8]
[2:52] <reider59> Got the box some place, hang on
[2:53] <reider59> "STATUS" is the name on the box
[2:54] <Syliss> yay my lap dock works
[2:54] <reider59> ?12.49 for three here..... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-x-Status-Energy-Saving-Remote-Controlled-Socket-plugs-new-savers-/280917969511?_trksid=p3284.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D21%26pmod%3D270984797276%26ps%3D54
[2:54] <Syliss> now to find a decent distro
[2:54] <reider59> Ebay
[2:55] <JMichaelX> Syliss: i so want one of those. please shut up, or i will order one tonight yet.
[2:55] <Syliss> what country u in?
[2:55] <JMichaelX> reider59: ty
[2:55] <JMichaelX> Syliss: US
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[2:56] <Syliss> JMichaelX: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004M17D62/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B004M17D62&linkCode=as2&tag=syliss-20
[2:57] <JMichaelX> $60.48?
[2:57] <Syliss> yep
[2:57] <Syliss> all you need is an micro hdmi to hdmi and female micro usb to male
[2:58] <Syliss> and that is $4 less than what i paid
[2:59] <JMichaelX> dammit Syliss, i told you to shut up about those things.
[2:59] * JMichaelX pressed the order button
[2:59] <Syliss> lol
[2:59] <JMichaelX> :-D
[2:59] <JMichaelX> i really do not have the cash for that sort of thing, but i did it anyways
[3:00] <Syliss> lol
[3:00] <Syliss> do you have prime?
[3:00] <JMichaelX> call me incorrigible
[3:00] <JMichaelX> no
[3:00] <Syliss> if not use the free month
[3:00] <Syliss> 2 day shipping ftw
[3:00] <JMichaelX> i have done the 30-day free trial for prime twice now
[3:00] <JMichaelX> last time was just a few months ago, so i can't
[3:01] <JMichaelX> but, it said i should get it by saturday
[3:01] <Syliss> cool
[3:01] <JMichaelX> not too bad, and with free shipping
[3:01] <JMichaelX> there was $15 s/h, though
[3:02] <Syliss> ?
[3:03] <JMichaelX> yep
[3:03] <JMichaelX> i had to pay right around $75 total
[3:04] <Syliss> then you picked the wrong wone
[3:04] <Syliss> one
[3:04] <JMichaelX> i just used your link
[3:04] <JMichaelX> so i blame YOU, if it was wrong!!!
[3:04] <Syliss> the one i used had free shipping
[3:05] <JMichaelX> hmm.... i was also supposed to get free shipping
[3:05] <JMichaelX> brv
[3:05] <JMichaelX> brb*
[3:05] <Syliss> lol
[3:05] <Syliss> brb have to pick up the wife
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[3:06] <JMichaelX> there is a button that says 'change' for the shipping. you click it, but you cannot change anything at all
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[3:20] <JMichaelX> Syliss: it was my mistake. the order defaulted to 2-day shipping, for $15. i just had it changed to free shipping, but it was a royal PITA getting that change made.
[3:21] <Syliss> sucky
[3:21] <JMichaelX> very, but all is well now
[3:21] <Syliss> cool
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[3:24] <JMichaelX> Syliss: many thinks for tipping me off. i had looked on ebay just last night, and my impression was that they were going for more around $80
[3:24] <Syliss> yeah, i was watching the price go down on amazon fast, i got it last month
[3:25] <Syliss> and i had just enough gift cards for it too
[3:25] <JMichaelX> i had only come across a link to an article about using these with the pi's on hackaday within the last few days
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[3:30] <Syliss> yeah, i want to try it with the mk802 but can't afford one right now
[3:30] <Syliss> I've been using gift cards to buy stuff i need for the pi, which is nice
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[3:31] <Pickley> The $35 computer.
[3:31] <Pickley> that we then spend hundreds on kitting out.
[3:31] <Pickley> :P
[3:31] <Syliss> hence why I'm using gift cards
[3:31] <Pickley> Smartie
[3:31] <Pickley> lol
[3:32] <Syliss> i had everything i needed for basics, but needed cables and stuff for the lap dock. So I'm happy i had gift cards
[3:33] <Syliss> friend gave me an ebay gc for my bday, he asked if i used ebay and said na but i found stuff to buy :P
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[3:35] <jonn> has anyone tried to run a jvm on their rpi?
[3:35] <Syliss> now i just need to decide which distro to use while on the rasbook
[3:38] <JMichaelX> why is this not letting me add a new user to groups?
[3:39] <JMichaelX> 'useradd -G {groupname} username' is telling me that the groups do not exist
[3:41] <kokakoda> groupadd?
[3:43] <Syliss> i think ill try arch. Any thing i should add for my pi?
[3:44] <kokakoda> What do you mean Syliss?
[3:45] <jonn> so my rpi just shipped from newark, what else do I need to be able to get up and going when it gets here?
[3:45] <Syliss> i haven't tried it yet, only used deb and open/darkelec so far
[3:45] <Syliss> oh and puppy
[3:45] <kokakoda> Darkelec? That's a new one on me. Didn't realise that the Puppy port was finished too. Time I got some more SD cards.
[3:46] <Syliss> puppy isn't final yet but it works
[3:46] <kokakoda> Arch works pretty well, what you'd have to add depends on your usage scenario.
[3:47] <Syliss> lapdock
[3:47] <kokakoda> jonn: SD card with an OS on it, cat5/6 cabling, possibly keyboard and mouse, power supply etc.
[3:48] <kokakoda> Syliss: You'd want to pull in Xorg with a WM and some other bits and bobs to get the use out of it.
[3:48] <jonn> what power supply do I need? a regular sd card or micro?
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[3:48] <Syliss> i need another card for darkelec and normal os
[3:48] <Syliss> john I'm using an iPhone wall charger for mine
[3:48] <Syliss> and it takes regular sd
[3:48] <kokakoda> jonn, a standard MicroUSB phone charger supplying 1A or more should do the trick. I use MicroSD in an adaptor, but you'd be looking for full size. I'd recommend $GiB or more.
[3:49] <Arch-RPi> Syliss: im still missing my cables to hook to my lapdock...im very sad
[3:49] <kokakoda> LOL, too slow.
[3:49] <Syliss> Arch-RPi: where did you order?
[3:49] <Arch-RPi> ebay
[3:49] <Syliss> how long ago
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[3:49] <Arch-RPi> Syliss: apparently there litterly on the slow boat from china
[3:49] <jonn> are SDHC cards cool?
[3:50] <kokakoda> Yeah, they're fine.
[3:50] <Syliss> i ordered on july 1st for my hdmi adapter and got it last friday, ordered my micro usb july 3rd got it yesterday
[3:50] <jonn> I guess I should probably consider getting a higher class sd card too?
[3:50] <Arch-RPi> Syliss: i ordered my mk802 like a week after my cabes and i got that last week FROM china
[3:50] <Arch-RPi> Syliss: from ebay?
[3:50] <Syliss> yep
[3:51] <Syliss> but i also live in cali
[3:51] <Arch-RPi> dang...i ordered from the wrong person apparently
[3:51] <Arch-RPi> yeah i live on OR
[3:51] <Syliss> links?
[3:51] <Arch-RPi> Syliss: hold
[3:51] <Syliss> omg i want the mk802, is it normal or mini hdmi?
[3:52] <Arch-RPi> mini
[3:53] <Arch-RPi> its awesome
[3:53] <Arch-RPi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/280761232832?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[3:53] <Arch-RPi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/270798436083?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[3:53] <Arch-RPi> ordered those 6/26
[3:54] <Syliss> lol, i ordered my micro usb from first one
[3:54] <Syliss> pwnd
[3:54] <Syliss> sry
[3:54] <Arch-RPi> no kidding
[3:54] <Syliss> http://www.ebay.com/itm/280853583226?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[3:54] <Syliss> http://www.ebay.com/itm/250997090180?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_2369wt_1144
[3:54] <Syliss> here
[3:54] <Arch-RPi> so my brand new lapdock is still sitting in its box
[3:55] <jonn> has anyone tried to setup a jvm on their rpi? debating if I want to try when I get it
[3:55] <Arch-RPi> jvm?
[3:55] <Syliss> just try it, wouldn't hurt
[3:56] <jonn> do you need a breakout board to access the gpio?
[3:56] <Syliss> no
[3:56] <Syliss> pin for pin access
[3:57] <jonn> probably have to solder it though?
[3:57] <jonn> or is there a header on it?
[3:57] <Syliss> its a header
[3:57] <Syliss> so you just need clips
[3:57] <Syliss> Arch-RPi: i cut into the micro usb and put a male usb plug in it
[3:58] <jonn> and how many pins do you get?
[3:58] <Syliss> 26
[3:58] <Syliss> its on the site
[3:59] <Syliss> Arch-RPi: that hdmi connecter is nice but it requires a separate cable
[4:01] <Arch-RPi> Syliss: well i got the cables for the mk802
[4:02] <Syliss> do you have a micro to regular?
[4:02] <Syliss> also how much was the mk802
[4:02] <Arch-RPi> yeah i got the mico to mini already
[4:02] <Syliss> ?
[4:02] <Syliss> ah kk
[4:02] <Arch-RPi> 74+shipping...so it was like 84
[4:02] <Syliss> ugh
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[4:03] <Arch-RPi> that was cheaper than what others are selling it for...some are selling for 99+shipping
[4:03] <Syliss> yeah
[4:03] <Syliss> can't wait for the model A
[4:03] <Syliss> will be perfect for the lapdock
[4:03] <Arch-RPi> you got a model a as well?
[4:08] <Syliss> no
[4:08] <Syliss> its not out yet
[4:09] <Syliss> ok dled arch, now to image it
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[4:11] <ajraymond> hi everyone
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[4:12] <ajraymond> I'm having a weird problem with my r-pi. I was wondering if anyone else had encountered a similar issue...
[4:13] <ajraymond> basically, after using it for a week without problem, I booted it this morning, and the network didn't come up, and the keyboard is unresponsive
[4:13] <ajraymond> it boots fine all the way to the user prompt though, without any errors or warnings
[4:14] <ajraymond> I went through the troubleshooting guide on elinux.org, to no avail
[4:15] <ajraymond> my first thought was that it was a usb voltage issue, so I used a different psu, but the problem persisted
[4:16] <ajraymond> ideas, anyone?
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[4:16] <valkaiser> Any interesting messages in dmesg?
[4:16] <ajraymond> well, I have no way to check, since the keyboard doesn't work, and I can't ssh in
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[4:17] <Ben64> check voltage on board
[4:17] <Arch-RPi> different keyboard?
[4:17] <Arch-RPi> you have more than 1 sd card? try a different or the same dist?
[4:18] <ajraymond> at the moment, I only have a single keyboard and SD card
[4:18] <ajraymond> but I could try different ones
[4:19] <valkaiser> What Ben64 said. Check for 5v on USB port.
[4:20] <ajraymond> 4.95V
[4:20] <Ben64> what are you using to check
[4:20] <ajraymond> on TP1-TP2
[4:20] <Ben64> ah
[4:20] <Ben64> well thats good
[4:20] <Arch-RPi> good voltage
[4:20] <Ben64> ethernet cuts out if voltage gets too low
[4:21] <ajraymond> I can check the usb port, just have to dig up which pins supply power
[4:21] <Ben64> so that was my first thought
[4:21] <Ben64> tp1 and tp2 are the best place to check
[4:21] <Ben64> its hard to check an actual usb port because of the metal bit on top you could short to
[4:22] <ajraymond> is the ethernet controller connected to the usb bus, or is it a separate controller?
[4:22] <Ben64> yeah, its usb
[4:22] <ajraymond> so if the usb controller were fried, it could explain my troubles
[4:23] <Ben64> does nothing on usb have any effect
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[4:23] <valkaiser> Try accessing the SD card in another machine and check the logs?
[4:24] <ajraymond> ah, could try that
[4:24] <Arch-RPi> was ssh working before?
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[4:25] <ajraymond> I tried plugging/unplugging my keyboard; it usually displays messages during the boot sequence when I do that
[4:25] <ajraymond> yes, I've been using it happily for a whole week
[4:25] <Arch-RPi> does it respond to ping?
[4:26] <ajraymond> no
[4:30] <Habstinat> Trying to compile the Raspberry Pi ioquake3 on Arch Linux, but get this error: <http://pastie.org/pastes/4240152/text> What can I do/install to fix it?
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[4:32] <ReggieUK> what compiler are you using?
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[4:34] <Habstinat> ReggieUK: I'm not quite sure I understand the question, but "cc -v" yeilds "COLLECT_GCC=cc", so I suppose gcc?
[4:34] <ReggieUK> basically, if you don't have arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc on your system then either create a symlink to your compiler called 'arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc' or set $CC to your compiler name, or edit build_arm.sh
[4:34] <ReggieUK> obviously it needs to be an arm compiler
[4:35] <ReggieUK> and as it's on arch it should be :D
[4:41] <Habstinat> ReggieUK: I've already tried setting $CC to "gcc" but it didn't seem to work, however doing "sudo ln -s /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc" seems to have done it, as I am now getting further than I have before. I suppose we'll have to wait an hour to really find out though :P
[4:45] <ReggieUK> cool beans :)
[4:47] <ReggieUK> I've not tried to compile quake yet but in general if it doesn't find the compiler then you can either set it with an env var, a symlink or it'll be hardcoded into the build script (whatever form that takes)
[4:48] <ReggieUK> depending on how things are setup of course
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[5:02] <Habstinat> Well, it didn't work, and it appears ReggieUK is offline :( Here is the new error: <http://pastie.org/pastes/4241467/text> What can I do to remedy this?
[5:03] <ajraymond> ok... so I see this
[5:03] <ajraymond> Jun 17 23:28:57 raspberrypi kernel: [ 5.633551] usb usb1: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0002
[5:03] <ajraymond> Jun 17 23:28:57 raspberrypi kernel: [ 5.647423] usb usb1: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[5:03] <ajraymond> Jun 17 23:28:57 raspberrypi kernel: [ 5.661755] usb usb1: Product: DWC OTG Controller
[5:03] <ajraymond> Jun 17 23:28:57 raspberrypi kernel: [ 5.673495] usb usb1: Manufacturer: Linux 3.1.9+ dwc_otg_hcd
[5:03] <ajraymond> Jun 17 23:28:57 raspberrypi kernel: [ 5.686103] usb usb1: SerialNumber: bcm2708_usb
[5:03] <ajraymond> Jun 17 23:28:57 raspberrypi kernel: [ 5.698773] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
[5:03] <ajraymond> Jun 17 23:28:57 raspberrypi kernel: [ 5.709597] hub 1-0:1.0: 1 port detected
[5:03] <ajraymond> Jun 17 23:28:57 raspberrypi kernel: [ 5.633551] usb usb1: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0002
[5:03] <ajraymond> Jun 17 23:28:57 raspberrypi kernel: [ 5.647423] usb usb1: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1
[5:03] <ajraymond> Jun 17 23:28:57 raspberrypi kernel: [ 5.661755] usb usb1: Product: DWC OTG Controller
[5:03] <ajraymond> Jun 17 23:28:57 raspberrypi kernel: [ 5.673495] usb usb1: Manufacturer: Linux 3.1.9+ dwc_otg_hcd
[5:03] <ajraymond> Jun 17 23:28:57 raspberrypi kernel: [ 5.686103] usb usb1: SerialNumber: bcm2708_usb
[5:03] <ajraymond> Jun 17 23:28:57 raspberrypi kernel: [ 5.698773] hub 1-0:1.0: USB hub found
[5:03] <ajraymond> Jun 17 23:28:57 raspberrypi kernel: [ 5.709597] hub 1-0:1.0: 1 port detected
[5:03] <ajraymond> oh, nm, that's old
[5:03] <neofutur> ajraymond: use a pastebin !
[5:04] <ajraymond> oh, sorry about that
[5:04] <hermanhermitage> hah
[5:09] <richardcreme> is there a good thread or archive of cases people have made for their pi's?
[5:10] <ajraymond> so it seems to detect some things USB, but not the keyboard connected to the board
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[5:18] <Grimmest> Syliss I agree, what reason did they give you?
[5:19] <Syliss> dealing with domain crap for a client
[5:19] <Syliss> they gave her free host (super limited) with one of her domains and the person before me had wp on it which it can't run well
[5:20] <Syliss> so i had her upgrade her other domain/host account and merge the 2 but its like x steps
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[5:22] <Grimmest> oh fun.
[5:23] <Syliss> yeah
[5:24] <Syliss> i currently use eleven2 for my personal sites and never had an issue
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[5:24] <Syliss> they auto merged my sites when i bought them, didn't have to worry
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[5:36] <ajraymond> oh well, thanks for your help!
[5:36] <ajraymond> I'll see with the reseller
[5:40] <Habstinat> Can someone here please upload their libbcm_host.so and link to it? You should be able to find it in /usr/lib, but I can't seem to find it online anywhere.
[5:41] <valkaiser> ajraymond: Was that a full "grep usb" of the kernel log?
[5:42] <sjennings> Habstinat, you can get it in the raspberry pi github https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/opt/vc/lib
[5:42] <Habstinat> sjennings: Thank you so much.
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[5:46] <ajraymond> valkaiser: no, but I can do that
[5:47] <ajraymond> http://pastebin.com/jSawFfta
[5:48] <ajraymond> and here is the entire log: http://pastebin.com/hxzG2UgH
[5:50] <ajraymond> could anyone send me a full kern.log, so I can compare?
[5:50] <valkaiser> ajraymond: I don't see it picking up your ethernet chip.
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[5:51] <ajraymond> it's really strange...
[5:52] <ajraymond> I don't have a good exaplanation as to why, but I'm pretty sure it's broken
[5:52] <Habstinat> I get the error "sys_main.c:(.text.startup+0xc): undefined reference to `bcm_host_init'" when I try to compile quake3 on Arch Linux; what can be done to remedy this? I've already tried installing libbcm_host.so and libbcm.so to /usr/lib/ and /opt/vc/lib/.
[5:54] <sjennings> Habstinat, make sure you edit ARM_LIBS in build.sh to point to /opt/vc/lib/
[5:54] <valkaiser> ajraymond: My dmesg output filtered through "grep usb": http://sprunge.us/CBKO I have a keyboard and usb flash drive connected.
[5:55] <Pickley> https://github.com/raspberrypi is not an organization?
[5:55] <sjennings> and I would't recommend building quake3 _on_ the raspberry pi. it will take a long time. use the cross compiler if you can.
[5:56] <sjennings> you can get the cross compiler here https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools
[5:56] <sjennings> or build it yourself with crosstool-ng
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[6:02] <ajraymond> I'll try to see if I can get a replacement
[6:06] <valkaiser> ajraymond: Have you tried reimaging the SD card yet?
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[6:07] <Syliss> What distro is everyone running?
[6:07] <Billiard> arch
[6:07] <valkaiser> Arch here.
[6:09] <Syliss> trying to decide what distro to run on the lapdock
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[6:10] <kokakoda> Arch too.
[6:10] <valkaiser> This is a seperate computer from the Rpi?
[6:10] <kokakoda> (hint - run Arch)
[6:11] <kokakoda> Arch on anything that runs it. Which is pretty much everything I own. :)
[6:11] <Pickley> Arch.
[6:11] <Pickley> :P
[6:11] <Pickley> With no GUI cos I broke it all c:
[6:12] <kokakoda> Real men don't use X. Allegedly.
[6:12] <Pickley> lol
[6:12] <DaQatz> X sucks, but some times you have to suck it up and use it anyway.
[6:13] <kokakoda> I'd drop it in an instant if I could get a decent framebuffer browser.
[6:13] <DaQatz> Else it is slower to look at funny cat pictures.
[6:13] <valkaiser> kokakoda: Arch is great, but I run into a lot of problems with upstream dropping my old hardware...
[6:13] <kokakoda> How old we talking here?
[6:14] <valkaiser> kokakoda: Turn of the century.
[6:14] <kokakoda> Shouldn't be an issue, got some '96 vintage laptops running it currently.
[6:15] <valkaiser> It's vid cards mostly. Mach64 and Geforce2Go.
[6:16] <kokakoda> Hmm, didn't realise they'd dropped those from the kernel.
[6:18] <valkaiser> Mach64 was recently dropped from mesa. 2D still works fine. Nouveau worked till 2 or 3 months ago, and I haven't been able to fix it.
[6:19] <ajraymond> valkaiser: yes, several times already
[6:19] <Syliss> Well I'm a gui person so x is a must
[6:20] <ajraymond> valkaiser: I also tried 3 different PSUs, and a different network cable+port
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[6:21] <ajraymond> Syliss: I was running raspbian until yesterday
[6:21] <Syliss> i may try that
[6:21] <Syliss> i want puppy work better
[6:21] <Syliss> to*
[6:22] <kokakoda> How's the performance of Puppy right now?
[6:23] <valkaiser> ajraymond: One last thought. Check the ethernet chip and see if it warms up at all
[6:23] <ajraymond> does arch support hardfp for the armv6?
[6:24] <kokakoda> Nope.
[6:24] <valkaiser> ... Just about killed myself tripping over my laptop power cord. Good thing IRC was running on the Pi (no battery).
[6:24] <kokakoda> Although I'm planning on building it if/when I find the time.
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[6:26] <valkaiser> kokakoda: What are your requirements for a "decent" framebuffer web browser.
[6:26] <Syliss> kokakoda not great but its still alpha
[6:28] <kokakoda> Essentially something that's able to do HTML5, hopefully with some acceleration.
[6:30] <valkaiser> Oh, not askin a lot huh :P
[6:30] <ajraymond> valkaiser: the SoC warms up a bit, but not the ethernet chip
[6:30] <kokakoda> I think that there's a port of WebKit to DirectFB, but I never had much luck getting it to compile.
[6:30] <valkaiser> kokakoda: Yeah, I tried that too. Docs are real old/outdated.
[6:31] <Syliss> ajraymond did you ov it?
[6:31] <kokakoda> Ideally, that's what I'm looking for. I'd probably settle for NetSurf, but it seems a bit... meh.
[6:31] <ajraymond> Syliss: no
[6:31] <Syliss> can you rma it?
[6:31] <ajraymond> I'm going to try that tomorrow... hopefully
[6:32] <Syliss> sucky
[6:32] <ajraymond> yep... I was having a lot of fun with it
[6:33] <Syliss> how long did you have it powered off for?
[6:34] <ajraymond> I usually boot it in the morning and turn it off at night
[6:35] <ajraymond> I'd say about 20 on-off cycles in one week
[6:36] <Syliss> hmm
[6:38] <ajraymond> faulty components do happen, unfortunately
[6:39] <ajraymond> all right.. time to go
[6:39] <ajraymond> thanks everyone for your help
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[6:40] <valkaiser> ajraymond: Good Luck
[6:41] <valkaiser> I should also bail, laters!
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[7:56] <booyaa> ning
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[8:49] <DaQatz> !w forecast 03901
[8:49] <PiBot> DaQatz: in recast 03901 on Thu Jul 12 10:51:00 2012. Temp 61??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 81%, Later 84??F - 59??F. Condition: Clear.
[8:49] <PiBot> Fri: High 90??F Low 63??F :Condition Mostly Sunny
[8:49] <PiBot> Sat: High 90??F Low 68??F :Condition Chance of Showers
[8:49] <PiBot> Sun: High 88??F Low 63??F :Condition Chance of Rain
[8:50] <DaQatz> recast?
[8:50] <DaQatz> I think PiBot is a little high
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[9:01] <gordonDrogon> !w buckfastleigh
[9:01] <PiBot> gordonDrogon: in Buckfastleigh, Devon. Temp 50??F. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 94%, Later 61??F - 55??F. Condition: Rain.
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> it's raining now.
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[9:29] <Stoob> heheheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee just got the email that mine shipped
[9:29] <Stoob> :D
[9:32] <ebswift> congrats Stoob
[9:32] <Stoob> now just to have ups come leave notes saying they came by 3 times while i was at work :|
[9:33] <Habbie> call them when you get the first one
[9:33] <Habbie> so they will hold or redirect it for you
[9:33] <Stoob> The problem with that is the closest place they'll actually hold it for me is ~45 minutes away, in the opposite direction from where I work. Apparently they charge $5 for me to change the deliv. address now
[9:34] <ebswift> any word on how production is ramping up? - i haven't checked in for a bit
[9:34] <Stoob> well my estimated ship date was actually august 8th i think, so im pretty happy
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[9:45] <Gadgetoid> Sheesh, Norwich is a dead-zone for hacker goodness
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[9:51] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, it's too flat, that's the problem...
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, not that far from Cambridge though?
[9:51] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I'm on a hill right, now, A HILL!
[9:51] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Nope, but sadly I'm away during the upcoming cambridge meet :(
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> a hill????
[9:52] <gordonDrogon> my LEDs are still shining brightly!
[9:52] <gordonDrogon> I left a program displaying minuts & seconds last night.
[9:54] <Hourd> morning
[9:54] <Hourd> fellow lovers of pi
[9:54] <TeeCee> Hello
[9:54] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Ah! nice
[9:54] <Gadgetoid> Mornin' Hourd
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[9:56] <Hourd> left my pi in the midlands and came to london for a week =(
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[9:57] <KrnlPanic> G'd morning, everyone
[9:58] <Gadgetoid> I think I might have the only 3310 library that includes transparent fonts and kerning
[9:58] <Gadgetoid> Well??? I'll be a library when I've finished it and wrapped it up as such
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[9:59] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Neat! (although OTT :)
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[9:59] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: massively OTT, but the text looks beautiful- I pixel'd each character myself
[10:00] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: And what's more important, is that I can have text overlapping things without it generating big ugly blocks of dead space on the 8*7 grid
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[10:01] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, that's pretty good.
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[10:01] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, how mant bits per pixel does it have?
[10:02] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: At the moment, far far too many- 8, but it only uses the numbers 0-3
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> ok!
[10:03] <Gadgetoid> I'll probably end up writing a compression library to pack all the cols into 8-bit integers
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> some sort of run-length might work for the data you have... fast to decode too.
[10:04] <Gadgetoid> But I love being able to *see* the characters in the font.h file, and be able to edit them without resorting to another utility
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[10:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yea, so you keep them in a separate file, then write a program to parse the file into a .h header file which the main program then includes...
[10:06] <Gadgetoid> my next challenge is using the stored character widths (variable!) to compute the length of a string and wrap it accordingly
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> above & beyond...
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> :)
[10:09] <Gadgetoid> THE PI HAS LANDED! Repeat: THE PI HAS LANDED!
[10:09] <Gadgetoid> It was in the mailbox??? no wonder the signature was so scruffy??? how can a mailbox sign for something
[10:09] * gordonDrogon boggles.
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[10:09] <booyaa> heh
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> so it was there all the time?
[10:10] <Hourd> lawl
[10:10] <booyaa> i think i've got at least two more months to go
[10:10] <booyaa> i should probably order my nephew's one might be in time for xmas (slight exageration)
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> if only I had a nephew...
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> I have 2 neices (twins) who're 22, and 2 other neices who're 0.8 and 3.8 ...
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[10:14] <booyaa> he's the only one i've got!
[10:14] <booyaa> plan on teaching him to code this year no surprise what we'll be using
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> BASIC :)
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[10:15] <Gadgetoid> I'm currently in possession of only a daughter, who is still a little young to be bombarded with programming goodness
[10:15] * booyaa totally gets the barrier to code thing that eben was talking about in his ted talks
[10:15] <booyaa> i think we'll start with scratch, should really start looking at the softweare that comes with the debian image
[10:16] <Gadgetoid> The barrier to code is more like a three mile thick titanium wall, reaching up into space so far that it wraps around the universe and comes back down the other side
[10:17] <Gadgetoid> I keep hinting at my wife to try setting up a local course for Scratch or something of that nature
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[10:24] <gordonDrogon> at least your in a city.. here in ruralistan trying to get anything like that going it like pulling hens teeth...
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[10:24] <Gadgetoid> ruralistan ^^
[10:24] * gordonDrogon nods.
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> right. need to shower then go out to the local farmers market. in the rain.
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> again.
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[10:34] <TeeCee> Writing my first image to SD Card for my Pi.. :-D
[10:34] <booyaa> what did you go for?
[10:34] <booyaa> stock debian or something more exotic?
[10:35] * booyaa hasn't tried the q named one on .org site
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[10:35] <booyaa> i've run wheezy/squeezy what ever its called and arch
[10:37] <ebswift> wheezy seemed better for drivers
[10:37] <ebswift> i got wireless working but it still doesn't recover from sleep
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[10:47] <TeeCee> I've just installed plain debian from raspberrypi.com at first...
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[11:09] <booyaa> wow it's quiet today
[11:09] <frankivo> sssh
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[11:10] <TeeCee> hehe
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[11:17] <gordonDrogon> Hehe... I can put b00b on my LED display :)
[11:17] <reider59> Hi di Hi Campers
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> pleases my inner teenager :)
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> char *message = " b00b babe cafe b00b" ;
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> now wondering if I should get a 2nd 4-digit display and make a calculator ...
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> for no reason whatsoever...
[11:19] <reider59> .....to make letters out of numbers ;-)
[11:19] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: please, that is what calculators are for
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[11:20] * Xark points to http://nedbatchelder.com/text/hexwords.html
[11:20] <reider59> yes, but sometimes we need to reinvent the wheel
[11:21] <Gadgetoid> Anyway, t hat's a Pi ordered on May 30th delivered yesterday??? falls within their 4-6 week estimate but only just!
[11:21] <reider59> Did you locate that Pi?
[11:21] <Gadgetoid> reider59: Yes, apparently a mailbox had somehow managed to sign for it
[11:21] <reider59> Thank cringe for that
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[11:22] <reider59> I hate stuff going missing, one day I fully expect my ?50 Asda card to turn up from the PO too
[11:23] <reider59> When it does Hell will be awfully cold that day
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[11:28] <booyaa> how lame that i can't buy something like the SIS-PM in the uk
[11:29] <booyaa> http://www.dirkmann.org/ >--- look at teh NSLU2 controls power socket link
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[12:51] <reider59> This looks fancy for an LCD screen...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1knfYHJ_dQU
[12:52] <reider59> oops module
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[12:53] <reider59> When I beta tested and programmed USB LCD Modules the programming routines were called "screens"
[12:53] <reider59> based on plugins
[12:54] <reider59> old habits die hard
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[13:03] <gordonDrogon> reider59, good demo of the display.
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> that's all do-able with the module you have. You download some user-defined character to do the clever stuff.
[13:04] <reider59> I thought so too, I grabbed some files to try it out some time
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[13:06] <reider59> Just writing up my notes on my forum, catching up with the LCD Module to Arduino and to the Pi. Added my escapade with VNC via SSH. It helps my short term memory problem so I can recall what to do and we have 7 members so far in this area reg`d to the forum and owning a Pi so it`s there for them too.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> thats one thing I've started to use m blog(s) for too.
[13:08] <rm> reider59, but does your forum run on the Pi itself?:>
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> moderns equivalent of the old Red & Black ...
[13:08] <reider59> I must try some Blogs sometime
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Desk covered in cake crumbs now. one disadvantage of going to Ashburton to the bank - there is an excellent artisan bakery there....
[13:08] <Maior> while I think Ruby is a bit of an abomination, I heartily recommend Octopress
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[13:10] <smikey> heyhey
[13:10] <reider59> It could do, I added my Photographic Forum to be Android, Blackberry, iPhone, Tablet compatible using Tapatalk and some other setup. Not making that mistake with the Pi one. I now get multiple applications from China, Russia, attempted Spam, you name it. Only started after the change. Thank god I can ban IP ranges.
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> gah. bother. decided to give my keyboard a proper clean too. yuk. I'd only empied it recenty too.
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> I use wp-spamfree on my wordpress ones and make them all moderated.
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> I think I've only had 2 spam postings on the projects one so-far...
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[13:13] <reider59> and while we`re on the subject I noticed several emails lately that don`t even try to hide their intent. scamdave@ blah blah blah for example. Thank cringe I use Mail Washer Pro to examine the headers first, delete mail directly on the server then download what`s left. after marking them as banned.
[13:14] <Maior> I outsource these things...
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> yea, I have some reasonably good anti-spam stuff for my email - that's why I never bother hiding it anymore. I've had the same email address since 1995, so it's been well used/abused...
[13:16] <reider59> Mine are all on my domain so blink at blank, wink at blank, drink at blank, they all appear similar
[13:17] <reider59> Note: domain not blank yet lol
[13:17] <reider59> I added a sub domain for the Photography Group, save them paying for one
[13:17] <reider59> then gave them some email addresses to use
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> Maior, I run a tiny hosting business - some my email is outsourced to ... me...
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[13:20] <reider59> I got my domain for ?6 every 2 years when they were ?600 a year. I worked at an ISP and got friendly with a guy who moved to Manchester and set up his own business. Now all that stuff is dirt cheap. But I always controlled it myself. I love using my control panel to add new email addresses, instead of getting an ISP to do it.
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[13:35] <aaa801> The heck is mogwai lately =/
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> domain prices vary hugely now - the place I use charge about ?12 a year just for the domain - I run the nameservers, etc. however they've never put their prices up on the 10+ years I've been using them and never had any problems, so ...
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[13:36] <gordonDrogon> and now I have time to write up about b00b1e5 ...
[13:36] <frankivo> prrr
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[13:38] <reider59> I get domain renewal, hosting, unlimited email, ftp and my own control panel for ?17 a year now-someone else bought it out or bought into it. I pay a further ?6 a year for PHP and a rook of other stuff I use for the forum-much of what is there I don`t use presently but need it for the Photography Forum so we can control it all directly and have the database under our full control.
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[13:40] <reider59> Can`t complain, rarely any problem, additions like th ePHP control panel I can add instantly and begin paying and using. No fathing about waiting, email accounts I activate instantly, full ftp access, sub domains and associated email accounts. rarely a problem apart from email down occasionally while they work on the server. then I resort to my ISP email address temporarilly.
[13:41] <reider59> or G Mail on my android phone
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> yea, there still are one or 2 clued up providers out there
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[13:47] <reider59> They are only 20 miles away in Manchester so easy to get hold of. No fuss as long as the bills get paid.
[13:47] <reider59> Help Desk is pretty rapid too with auto reply then a follow up manually
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[14:14] <gordonDrogon> took a video of the LED - uploading it now...
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> reider59, quite a few hosting companies in Manchester - it's home to one of the UKs peering hubs - MaNap,,,
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[14:15] <reider59> I use a small co. called Freedomnames, my mate Dale (ex salesman at warrington Talk101 Internet) used to own it outright. He may still be a partner, not sure of his setup now.
[14:16] * gordonDrogon nods.
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> just make sure you own the domain names - makes it easir to move them if you need to.
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> some cheap hosting co's put domains in their own names...
[14:16] <reider59> I always get the Certificate and log in rights to Nominet
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> certificate? wow. do they still issue them?
[14:17] <reider59> Freedomnames ddo it for me on each renewal and I check it out
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> Not seen a .co.uk certificate for years now.
[14:17] <reider59> yes, I got one a little while back on my renewal. Logged in and printed it myself.
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> amazing.
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[14:25] <reider59> See here...... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/reider/brooktech.jpg
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> fantastic!
[14:27] <reider59> I finally succumbed..... I tried to drink from an empty mug some 6-7 times now so a brew is on the way lol
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[14:28] <reider59> they used to send them out but you need to log in now. I used the same log in as my Domain Control Panel. I assume Freedomnames set it up a few years back.
[14:34] <reider59> Got my annual breathing check tomorrow and blood pressure too. Think I`ll take the train for a change. Looks like a visit to Maplins is on the cards. They know me well in there lol
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[14:35] <reider59> Bus is ?1.90 each way and the train is only 90p each way, can`t believe that.
[14:36] <blueskies> reider what is p to a euro? is it 100p to euro?
[14:37] <reider59> 1 British pound = 1.26617527 Euros
[14:37] <reider59> so divide by 100
[14:38] <blueskies> ohh lol, thanks whats the E symbol?
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> I'm getting the train to cambridge on saturday - slightly more expensive than petrol (by about ?20), but takes about the same time.
[14:38] <reider59> it`s similar to a pound
[14:38] <blueskies> whats it called?
[14:39] <reider59> E is Euro
[14:39] <blueskies> ?? = euro? sorry i just couldnt type on keyboard (copy & pasted the ??)
[14:40] <reider59> No, it`s a special symbol, hang on
[14:40] <blueskies> sorry its not important :) thanks
[14:41] <reider59> ?
[14:41] <drazyl> ??? = euro, ?? = pound, $ = monopoly money
[14:41] <drazyl> :)
[14:41] <blueskies> hahahaaha :D
[14:41] <reider59> Not far off a pound symbol ?
[14:42] <friggle> ?? = simoleons
[14:42] <blueskies> ??? Tiberian Sun dollars
[14:42] <drazyl> ?? = yen
[14:43] <Gadgetoid> Ah, my LCD font is glorious
[14:43] <reider59> If I cannot get a symbol on a keyboard and wish to use it a few times there are programs and ways to add them. But I simply make a text file up and paste some examples in then use them from there.
[14:43] <Gadgetoid> I'm getting 15 characters horizontally instead of just 12
[14:43] <blueskies> thats a good idea
[14:44] <reider59> ____m__-(???)-__m____
[14:44] <zeeZ> does ? count? :P
[14:44] <blueskies> well im gonna get some gamming time in, thanks for the schooling in currency. :D
[14:44] <reider59> Borrow my glasses if you need them......... ?^??
[14:44] <blueskies> :P
[14:44] <zeeZ> ?\(?_o)/?
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwinMYsryGg&feature=youtu.be
[14:44] <reider59> ?,??,????`???? ????`????,??,? ?,??,????`???? ????`????,??,? ?,??,????`?
[14:45] <reider59> <*)))><
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[14:45] <reider59> ??' ??'\????????\??=(???_???)=??/????????/'??'?? ??
[14:45] <reider59> __?????????????? ????l?????? ????l??*???? ???????????? ??????|???????????? ????????? ???????????????????? ????????????????? ??|?????? ?? ???????????? ????l????????.___
[14:45] <blueskies> haha cool stuff gordon :)
[14:45] <Gadgetoid> Holy ascii jebus
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> if only it were ascii...
[14:46] <Gadgetoid> True that
[14:46] <blueskies> haha sigh, disapointing :P jk
[14:46] <reider59> the glory of cut, copy and paste
[14:46] <Gadgetoid> Cafe boob :D
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> hope my video isn't too riske (e with accent that I can't type)
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[14:46] <gordonDrogon> ;-)
[14:47] <reider59> and finally, have we got anyone in from llan - fair - pwll - gwyn - gyll - go - ger - ych - wyrn - drob - wll - llan - ty - silio - go - go - goch?
[14:47] <drazyl> shouldn't the timer count down?
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> the timer is minutes and second of the time of day..
[14:47] <reider59> baaaaa baaaaa
[14:47] <exsodus> hey guys, was wondering if someone could help me real quick with a pi boot problem
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> give it more power..
[14:47] <drazyl> you'll never become a (failed) criminal mastermind without a timer that shows how long before the bomb goes off
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> drazyl, true!!!
[14:48] <exsodus> it's been working fine for weeks, I unplugged it, plugged it back in, now it hangs at the raspberry logo
[14:48] <Gadgetoid> exsodus: wiggle the SD card
[14:48] <exsodus> at same time as plugging in power? Or before
[14:48] <reider59> Did you sudo halt or similar to shut down before turning off the power or just shut it down?
[14:49] <exsodus> just unplugged it
[14:49] <reider59> oops, try wiping the SD card and starting over
[14:49] <booyaa> i find a pencil with a rubber helps
[14:49] * booyaa used it to clean contacts on sim cards
[14:49] <reider59> You need to shut it down so all actions stop before turning it off or it may write to the SD Card or red from it as you do so.
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> if it gets that far, then it can read the card - it's gotten the kernel off the card OK.
[14:50] <exsodus> it's a brand new card
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[14:50] <exsodus> used only for this
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> I'd power down, check the card in another PC if possible - chkdsk/fsck ...
[14:50] <exsodus> the ok light blinks a bit, then only red light
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[14:50] <reider59> It`s a brand new card BUT you didn`t STOP all processes before shutting down.
[14:51] <reider59> Like just turning off a Windows PC and not using the Shutdown menu, eventually the hardrive gives up
[14:51] <exsodus> uggg, i knew I should have backed it up
[14:52] <exsodus> ok, i'll give it a shot. Thank You for the help :-)
[14:52] <reider59> backing it up is OK but you need to stop the corruption by performing Sudo Halt and waiting for it to say halted, then turn it off.
[14:53] <reider59> You might be lucky and get the card back, if not put it down to experience and get another.
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[14:54] <exsodus> I'll back it up in case it's not the problem and just do a fresh Arch install
[14:54] <exsodus> but yeah, probably gonna be a learning experience
[14:54] <booyaa> sadly
[14:54] <reider59> I`d wipe it, clear all partitions, set it up and only then back it up when you know it`s clean
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[14:55] <reider59> Look for Minitool Partition Wizard, Home Edition-it`s free. that will easilly wipe it and remove partitions. then you can start obver
[14:56] <exsodus> in a way it's a good thing though, I'm new to Arch, coming from Ubuntu. Gives me more practice
[14:56] <reider59> http://download.cnet.com/MiniTool-Partition-Wizard-Home-Edition/3000-2094_4-10962200.html
[14:56] <exsodus> since, it's a million times harder
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/led2.jpg slightly better photo.
[14:56] <exsodus> that's awesome!
[14:57] <reider59> I zapped an SD card, though some plastic was missing off it so it may have been a dud. I wiped out a 16x2 LCD Module, it happens. Don`t be afraid to make occasional mistakes
[14:58] <reider59> Nice one Gordon
[14:58] <markllama> "It'
[14:58] <markllama> It's ALIVE!
[14:58] <markllama> cue Frau Brouccher
[15:00] <reider59> IT technician "can you set up my email account please? I can`t figure it out"??? Worked at a telecoms place locally.
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[15:02] <ReggieUK> neeeeeeeiiiiigh
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[15:03] <reider59> sounding a little hoarse
[15:03] <ReggieUK> you probably haven't watched young franenstein
[15:03] <reider59> probably not but it brought a wry smile
[15:03] <ReggieUK> and it's frau blucher markllama :)
[15:04] <markllama> thank you for googling for me.
[15:04] <markllama> :-)
[15:04] <ReggieUK> didn't google :)
[15:04] <ReggieUK> must've watched that film 10-20 times as a youth
[15:05] <markllama> ReggieOK: That's FRaaankenstEEEEn.
[15:05] <ReggieUK> :D
[15:05] <markllama> and UK, not OK, though OK is OK too ;-)
[15:05] <reider59> When I did a spell at an internet ISP with its own Internet cafe a young lad came in with his Mum and asked what the Internet could do. So I mentioned searching and straightaway he said Frankenstein. I dreaded it but there were pages and pages and hundreds more pages on it. Books, you name it. He was hooked and I got arather nice smile from his Mum lol.
[15:06] <markllama> Hrrm. we're looking at getting some gooseberry boards to play with too.
[15:06] <markllama> has anyone else looked at them by comparison?
[15:06] <ReggieUK> are the gooseberry boards worth it?
[15:06] <reider59> to play gooseberry?
[15:06] <ReggieUK> olimex's version of the alwinner chip is probably a much better bet
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[15:06] <markllama> I dunno. I'm going to get one (part of a bulk order at work if we can get 100 people to commit)
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[15:07] <reider59> I`ve been told I should be commited, is that the same thing?
[15:07] <markllama> I also want to get on the list to get an APC board
[15:07] <ReggieUK> http://olimex.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/a13-olinuxino-routing-complete/
[15:08] <ReggieUK> no bulk orders needed
[15:08] <ReggieUK> http://olimex.wordpress.com/tag/a13/
[15:08] <markllama> ReggieUK: It was someone here offering to coordinate if he got enough interest
[15:08] <exsodus> root
[15:09] <exsodus> mt, worked guys
[15:09] <markllama> The one choice on the gooseberry I don't like is wifi instead of wired net. Well and the fact that EVERY BOARD SHOULD HAVE RJ45 SERIAL!
[15:12] <ReggieUK> rj45 serial?
[15:13] <Gadgetoid> markllama: No choices were made with the Gooseberry...
[15:13] <Gadgetoid> It's a rubbish mainboard from cheap chinese knock-off tablets that someone decided to buy in bulk and resell as a "dev board"
[15:13] <Gadgetoid> The person selling it doesn't even know if it has GPIO, much less anything else
[15:13] <reider59> nice one exsodus, don`t forget to close it down properly now
[15:14] <markllama> ReggieUK: yes. Every device ever should have an exposed serial console.
[15:14] <ReggieUK> of course but not via rj45 :D
[15:14] <markllama> I shouldn't have to keep buying Nokia CA-42s and chopping them off and..
[15:14] <markllama> well USB would be nice these days
[15:15] <markllama> SOLDERING! GAHHH!
[15:15] <markllama> (yeah, the pi doesn't need soldering, just an ISC 13x2 female)
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[15:15] <reider59> 26 pin IDC Connector
[15:16] <reider59> or m/f jumper wires
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[15:23] <Gadgetoid> And a new Pi is born
[15:24] <TeeCee> Congrats!
[15:24] * gordonDrogon cheers!
[15:24] <wiiguy> yay
[15:24] <wiiguy> NOW HAND IT OVER !!!
[15:25] <wiiguy> this is a stickup !
[15:25] <Gadgetoid> Hahaha
[15:25] <Gadgetoid> It's not mine, but we might order one to share in the office
[15:26] <wiiguy> meh im having a bit of trouble with mine atm :/
[15:26] <wiiguy> installing raspbmc on it
[15:26] <wiiguy> but whenever it is done installing the fat32 partition si empty
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[15:29] <Gadgetoid> wiiguy: if the ext partition is in tact, just grab a zip of the firmware and throw it into fat32?
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[15:30] <wiiguy> hmm ci oudl try that yeah :)
[15:30] <wiiguy> where could i get that zip ? :p
[15:30] <wiiguy> or is it jusr included in the img ?
[15:31] <wiiguy> nm i formatted the sd card on windows itself
[15:31] <wiiguy> now it is working :)
[15:32] <wiiguy> brb
[15:33] <reider59> Sometimes the Fedora Installer comes up empty after it puts an image on, you can tell if it does it too quick. then I wipe it to be sure, inc partitions so it`s clean. then use Win32 disk imager instead. for the most part though the Fedora imager works with a lot of images, even if not Fedora based.
[15:34] <reider59> Always best to arm yourself with a second choice of install
[15:34] <wiiguy> reider59 xbmc has installer on its own
[15:34] <wiiguy> it install kitself on the rpi
[15:34] <reider59> OK
[15:34] <reider59> long while since I tried it
[15:35] <wiiguy> damn it > it hang on the logo now :|
[15:35] <wiiguy> i need a good program tocomjpletly format taht sd card
[15:36] <reider59> Get this and wipe the card/partitions.... http://download.cnet.com/MiniTool-Partition-Wizard-Home-Edition/3000-2094_4-10962200.html
[15:36] <mikey_w> wiiguy, do you hae a linux machine?
[15:36] <reider59> It`s free too
[15:37] <wiiguy> there wbrb
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[15:37] <mikey_w> have
[15:37] <wiiguy> no mikey_w
[15:37] <wiiguy> brb
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[15:38] <reider59> You set what you want deleting, then press apply. Set it to Create then choose what format and press apply. Easy
[15:38] <ker2x> friendly greetings
[15:38] <Civil|2> http://ompldr.org/vZXB6aw
[15:38] <Civil|2> raspberry pi, static html
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[15:39] <ker2x> it seems i totally crashed my rpi with a ping -f (from a laptop to the rpi)
[15:39] <ker2x> is it a known problem ?
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[15:42] <ker2x> reboot.... goodbye 13days of uptime
[15:42] <ker2x> pfft
[15:42] <reider59> Friday the 13th tomorrow.......
[15:43] <Timmmaaaayyy> i'm on almost a full day of uptime. haha
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[15:47] <ker2x> a new ping -f and now it doesn't crash
[15:47] <ker2x> hummm
[15:47] <ker2x> 55361 packets transmitted, 55361 received, 0% packet loss, time 22505ms
[15:47] <ker2x> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.305/0.375/10.475/0.066 ms, ipg/ewma 0.406/0.382 ms
[15:48] <ker2x> hummm
[15:48] <ker2x> crashed again
[15:48] <ker2x> dafuk
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[15:51] <wiiguy> bck
[15:54] <wiiguy> hmm
[15:55] <wiiguy> seems the switch from write protection came on somehow during the install :/
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[15:55] <wiiguy> seems it is a hair trigger switch :p
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[16:01] <Maior> wiiguy: hehe I had the same
[16:01] <Maior> plugging it in would make it ro, unplugging was rw
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[16:11] <KrnlPanic> Thinking of doing an RPi cluster..
[16:12] * KrnlPanic heads to the library.. i.e. google.com ;)
[16:12] <DarkTherapy> ;0)
[16:13] <KrnlPanic> better order me a second Pi.. then maybe a third and forth.. ;)
[16:14] <KrnlPanic> So hopefully by 2014 I'll have them all and can begin putting it all together!
[16:14] <blueskies> haha broke the bank to get one pi lol
[16:14] <KrnlPanic> lol
[16:15] <KrnlPanic> By 2015 my plan for RPi Global Domination will be complete! *evil grin*
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[16:16] <DarkTherapy> buy a cluster of old xbox's, far cheaper..
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[16:18] <KrnlPanic> DarkTherapy: Yeah, I had one about 15 years ago built out of a bunch of PI 100's... ran like a freight train!
[16:18] <DarkTherapy> nice
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[16:19] <KrnlPanic> PII 333 Hub with 9 PI 100 nodes..
[16:19] <KrnlPanic> I LOVED IT!
[16:19] <Civil|2> KrnlPanic: there are boards with exynox 4412, quad core cortex a9 :) should be faster then 5x R-Pi :)
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[16:20] <KrnlPanic> You'd be suprised Civil|2.. I'll bet I could really output some MIPS/MFLOPS with a 10 node cluster of RPi's
[16:21] <Civil|2> KrnlPanic: I mean price of 5x Pi is almost same as this exynox4412 board
[16:21] <KrnlPanic> Civil|2: Oh, gotya
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[16:21] <Civil|2> KrnlPanic: http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G133999328931
[16:21] <KrnlPanic> Civil|2: But not nearly as fun!
[16:21] <Civil|2> KrnlPanic: it's fun too :)
[16:22] <Civil|2> at least should be :)
[16:23] <thechef> Hi. Any site taking orders?
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[16:25] <blueskies> civil: only take 10x as long to get to you
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[16:26] <KrnlPanic> blueskies: Mine wasn't too bad... only 5 months.. ;)
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[16:27] <blueskies> krnlpanic: crazy huh. ps. like you nick
[16:27] <KrnlPanic> blueskies: Danke.. ;) Old gamer tag actually.. from the CS days.. LoL, just kind of stuck with me
[16:28] <wiiguy> <+DarkTherapy> buy a cluster of old xbox's, far cheaper.. > but elictrical bill will be not :p
[16:28] <blueskies> they estimate it will get sent in ten weeks + 4 weeks postage (im guessing) so 6 months here all up
[16:28] <wiiguy> hmm
[16:28] <wiiguy> after they send it > it took them 1 day for delivery
[16:29] <Civil|2> blueskies: ???
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[16:29] <blueskies> overseas postage (australia lol)
[16:29] <Civil|2> blueskies: usa -> russia is usualy 3 weeks, for exmaple :)
[16:30] <blueskies> yeh and they are closer (if i know my geography)
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[16:31] <wiiguy> for some reason my pi went from to belgian(by plane) then to the netherland
[16:31] <wiiguy> why not just from uk to netherland :|
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[16:31] <blueskies> at least it gives me time to get acc's for it
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[16:32] <wiiguy> i thought i had no acc's, but i managed somehow
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[16:33] <blueskies> good work
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[16:33] <wiiguy> tomorrow i will get the good stuff for it :p
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[16:34] <blueskies> i think i have like power but i bought another anyways. ill share k+m+v. getting breadboard + jumper wires
[16:34] <blueskies> is there a easy way to work out what resisters you need for like leds etc
[16:34] <wiiguy> no idea
[16:35] <blueskies> is gordon on?
[16:35] <MrZYX> there are calculators in the internetz, google it
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/7-segment-led-display-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, hello?
[16:35] <MrZYX> blueskies: http://led.linear1.org/1led.wiz/
[16:35] <blueskies> hey gordon ;) just wondering how to work out what resisters i need
[16:35] <blueskies> thanks mrzyx
[16:36] <MrZYX> we need a bot with !g command :P
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> use that site - that MrZYX it's very good.
[16:36] <chandoo> hi
[16:36] <chandoo> is this good multimeter http://www.amazon.com/Digital-VOLT-Meter-Voltmeter-Multimeter/product-reviews/B005EK3NRS/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
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[16:36] <gordonDrogon> however, for your average LED, anything from 220 to 330 on a 3.3v supply is fine, and anything from 330 to 470 on a 5V supply is fine.
[16:36] <chandoo> looking for decent multimeter, since i am newbie in electronics
[16:37] <blueskies> " remember how similar multimeters costed like $500 " - my dad lol
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> chandoo, looks ok - make sure it comes with the test probes.
[16:37] <chandoo> gordonDrogon:-} okay
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> chandoo, one thing to look for in the slightly better ones is a "buzzer" for continuity testing. often handy...
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[16:38] <gordonDrogon> but realistically at that price, get a new one when the battery fails..
[16:38] <blueskies> very true those buzzers are good. and lights for the light night stuff
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> looks like that one has a buzzer..
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[16:39] <gordonDrogon> it's even got a transistor tester!
[16:39] <blueskies> diode forward voltage ? is that the volage of the led?
[16:39] <DarkTherapy> yeh
[16:39] <eephillip> these guys vet there products I would go here for a starter meter http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9141
[16:39] <chandoo> Continuity test with buzzer sound in circuit.
[16:39] <blueskies> you know what the forward part refers to?
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> yes - it's the voltage the LED will drop when being driven "properly"
[16:40] <chandoo> gordonDrogon:-} is that the buzzer thing
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[16:40] <gordonDrogon> chandoo, yes. that looks like an OK meter to me.
[16:40] <blueskies> and that's whats normally displayed (the voltage) on the packet?
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[16:41] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, you need to get the data sheet to find out the full details.
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[16:41] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, but realistically... use a 270 or 330 ohm resistor with an LED on the Pi...
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[16:42] <gordonDrogon> unles you have some special LED...
[16:42] <blueskies> ok will do, ill google it more, just to learn it
[16:42] <chandoo> gordonDrogon:-} okay i will get it
[16:42] <chandoo> looks like it doesn't have back light
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, want to do through an example?
[16:43] <chandoo> gordonDrogon:-} any decent one you recommend
[16:43] <blueskies> yeh
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[16:43] <gordonDrogon> chandoo, I bought my MM about 10 years ago - on it's 4th or 5th battery - it's a very basic one I got from Maplin... but it works OK. (no backlight)
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, ok - look at this page: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/5mm-red-led-pack-of-10-p-528.html
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, that's a basic bog-standard LED.
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> but it wants 20mA... The Pi can only (safely) give us 16mA..
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> but lets put the numbers into the calculator the MrZYX gave..
[16:44] <blueskies> i see. (where do i find that info from? 16ma)
[16:44] <blueskies> ok will do
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> source voltage: 3.3v, diode forward voltage: 2.5V, forward current: 20mA
[16:45] <blueskies> 82 Ohms
[16:45] <blueskies> ?
[16:46] <blueskies> oggg
[16:46] <blueskies> ohhh
[16:46] <blueskies> 2.5
[16:46] <blueskies> lol
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> it tells us we need a 47 ohm resistor...
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> well it tells me that :)
[16:46] <blueskies> Vf votage forward now i got the same info
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> that will result in the LED being driven at full-power at 20mA, but it's over the limit for the Pi.
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> so calculators are good, but ....
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> can never take in all the limits...
[16:48] <blueskies> mmm
[16:48] <chandoo> gordonDrogon:-} this looks more decent in specs right? http://www.diy-buy.com/dt9205a-digital-multimeter-for-sale_p9009.html
[16:49] <chandoo> shipping $10
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> chandoo, doesn't say it has a buzzer, but they're all much the same in that price bracket.
[16:49] <blueskies> say if im buying of ebay leds - im guessing this isnt enough info http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10mm-Bright-Diffused-LED-WHITE-10-pieces-/180923444355?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item2a1fe0ac83#ht_500wt_898
[16:50] <blueskies> like i cant find out the info
[16:50] <chandoo> gordonDrogon:-} okay
[16:50] <blueskies> or can i just use 270 - 330
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, or you can just use that :)
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> what you can do is work out the minimum value of R to allow a max. of 15mA.
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[16:51] <gordonDrogon> if we assume the LED short-circuits (rare!) then we're safe.
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> V=IR, so R = V / I -> 3.3 / 0.015 =220 ohm.
[16:52] <blueskies> haha is a resister like a fuse. (i can only remember what a diode is i think - one direction ?)
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> so 220 ohms will always be "safe", but possibly never optimal.
[16:52] <DarkTherapy> resistor resists the flow of voltage
[16:52] <blueskies> shit i remember this i learnt it at school
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, no a resistor resists, a diode goes one way.
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[16:53] <blueskies> cool, will it hurt the pi running a led with a higher ohms?
[16:54] <blueskies> *mA
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> nope
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> more ohms means less current.
[16:54] <DarkTherapy> make a transistor array..
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> read this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_circuit#Series_resistor_calculation
[16:55] <blueskies> so if i have 220 the most it will do is make the led a bit dimmer?
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[16:55] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, yes.
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> I'm using mostly 270 ohms for LEDs on the Pi, but I've also used 330 and I can't tell the difference.
[16:56] <blueskies> ok cool
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[16:58] <blueskies> what happens when a led draws higher current then the 0.015?
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[16:58] <gordonDrogon> You could try it - power an LED off the 3.3v pin (no gpio),
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> brb
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[17:00] <eephillip> I wouldn't drive leds directly from the ARM11 SOC from the pi, buffering through an led driver or fet/trasistor array is better
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[17:01] <blueskies> i have no idea what is SOC
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[17:02] <chaoshax> System on Chip
[17:02] <drazyl> System on (a) Chip
[17:02] <drazyl> i.e. more than just a cpu
[17:02] <muep> the black rectangle in the middle of the raspberry board
[17:03] <booyaa> [top] [ram] [broadcom cpu] [board/bottom]
[17:03] <blueskies> muep : smart ass lol
[17:03] <booyaa> [top] being the black rectangle
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[17:03] <muep> I thought it might not necessarily be obvious to everyone
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[17:04] <booyaa> i didn't know about the ram being sandwiched onto the cpu
[17:04] <blueskies> muep : na sorry dude, thanks (thought you were like CPU=Black thing on board lol
[17:04] <booyaa> found out here, when they started talking about adding more ram
[17:04] <blueskies> is the ram call like cache 3 or something
[17:05] <drazyl> the ram on top of the broadcom chip is system ram
[17:05] <drazyl> not cache
[17:06] <blueskies> ok cool, thought there were 2 caches l1,l2 or somthing then thought the ram might be called l3 or something lol
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[17:06] <drazyl> the ram is PoP : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package_on_package
[17:07] <blueskies> wow, thats cool
[17:09] <blueskies> didnt know broadcom made system cpu's (not that i know much about them) but they make like all the network chips dont they?
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[17:09] <booyaa> blueskies: eben works (well used to work for broadcom)
[17:10] <aaa801> Guys
[17:10] <aaa801> ive just noticed on one of my boards
[17:10] <aaa801> theres a extra capicator
[17:10] <aaa801> next to the power
[17:10] <aaa801> but before the mofset
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[17:12] <ok_> aaa801: photo possible?
[17:12] <Maior> booyaa: I believe he still does
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[17:12] <gordonDrogon> bother
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[17:12] <aaa801> ok_: gimme a min
[17:12] * gordonDrogon repeats a few things as my Internet connection just borked.
[17:12] <ok_> aaa801: nw
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> try a single LED off the 3.3v pin. Start with a 330 ohm resistor, then 220, then 47 ohms.
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> See if you can tell the difference between them - what you'll find (as I did) is that the added brightness at 47 ohms probably doesn't justify the 3 or 4x the current...
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> so for hobbyist use, 220/330 is fine, but if you were making something for production, you might want to make it brighter, but not run it at the absolute max either...
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[17:13] <gordonDrogon> single LED off the 3,3v pin: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/gpio-examples-1-a-single-led/
[17:14] <ok_> anyone know how to tell which batch ur board came from? or alternatively anyone know how to tell a batch one board apart from others?
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[17:16] <blueskies> thanks :), great documents :) def going to be my first exerise when my board arrives
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[17:17] <aaa801> ok_: http://imgur.com/ALnvQ
[17:18] <aaa801> it looks like there was something there at one point
[17:18] <ok_> 2 secs i'll show you mine
[17:18] <aaa801> Ok
[17:18] <aaa801> on my other pi its there
[17:19] <ok_> yea yea
[17:19] <ok_> i don't need to send you a pic if you've got one
[17:19] <aaa801> mhm
[17:19] <ok_> phew
[17:19] <aaa801> seems to work ok without it =/
[17:19] <ok_> my cam is prob as bad as urs
[17:19] <aaa801> lol
[17:19] <eephillip> wha blury
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[17:19] <ok_> eephillip: yea you goat squint don't you
[17:20] <aaa801> Anyone know the fucntion of that capicator
[17:20] <ok_> zoom out etc
[17:20] <blueskies> gordon - gpio mode 0 out, gpio write 0 1 (does this mean = Pin 0 - 3.3V out) then gpio write 0 0 (pin 0 = 0V)
[17:20] <aaa801> power smoothing etc?
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[17:20] <ok_> aa801: that'd be my guess
[17:20] <blueskies> gordon - if it were gpio mode 0 in (i guessing its called in) then it would wait for 3.3v and consider that to equal 1
[17:21] <aaa801> Mhm, so it should be ok without it ok_?
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[17:22] <eephillip> anyone have a link to the schematic and the refdes of the cap in question
[17:22] <blueskies> gordon - im also guessing you never really connect anything to the 3.3V pin unless you go in not out?
[17:23] <aaa801> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#A_part_broke_off
[17:23] <ok_> aaa801: ha as if
[17:23] <aaa801> blimming 2nd hand pi
[17:23] <aaa801> :p
[17:24] <chandoo> i am tempting to get this Aidetek VC97
[17:24] <chandoo> http://www.amazon.com/Aidetek-VC97-multimeter-Capacitor-Frequency/dp/B004VNF7DW/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t
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[17:24] <aaa801> the college i applied for had raspberry pi's set up
[17:24] <aaa801> this is a good sign
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[17:27] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, read the wiringPi pages to work out the pin numbers. gpio 0 is (by defult) a wiringPi pin number - which refers to the internal GPIO pin number 17, and the GPIO connector pin 11!
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> See: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[17:27] <Gadgetoid> Getting a tiny black & white, pixel-based badger isn't easy
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> Mushroom?
[17:27] <eephillip> nice, when I went they were motorola HC12s
[17:27] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: You're on to me!
[17:28] <Civil|2> Where should I write if my sdcard stopped working with recent kernels (works with debian 6.0's 201204 kernel, but stopped in latest, including git)
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, check the code for my LEDs - might have some tips to help stop yours flickering: http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/led/
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[17:29] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Oo, nice! your double whammy of C and lack-of-shift-register probably helps a lot
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, pthreads and the high priority/real-time stuff too...
[17:31] <aaa801> Anyone know websites where you can buy hobby boxs?
[17:31] <Gadgetoid> I'm going to write a little utility in Ruby for converting graphics to my weird format
[17:31] <Gadgetoid> aaa801: hobby boxes!?
[17:31] <aaa801> yess?
[17:31] <ok_> maplin, ebay etc
[17:31] <aaa801> or project boxs
[17:31] <Gadgetoid> Is that an American or Euroism for starter kits!?
[17:31] <aaa801> CANT REMEMBER THE NAME
[17:31] <aaa801> :s
[17:32] <ok_> ebay is prime for project boxes from HK etc, dirt cheap
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> right. going for some lunch now...
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> better late than never ...
[17:32] <Gadgetoid> ??? or early tea?
[17:33] <booyaa> let's not forget tupperware/rubbermaid
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[17:34] <aaa801> Can anyone recommend me a decent powered usb hub, the one i had made my wifi dongle light up like a christmas tree with no host connection
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[17:36] <ok_> aaa801: if I'm buying a usb hub that i intend to put anything i don't want to break in then i always go upmarket, drink net gear etc
[17:36] <ok_> ffs autocorrect *dlink
[17:36] <aaa801> lol
[17:36] <aaa801> oky
[17:37] <ok_> the cheap ones are awful but fine if you only want to plug in a ??5 keyboard and mouse
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[17:40] <blueskies> 0.015mA is the limit per pin im guessing?
[17:40] <blueskies> or total?
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[17:43] <blueskies> is the GPIO pins always 3.3V or can it be 5v as well?
[17:43] <GibbaTheHutt> Hi, does anyone know what package would intially create/have /opt/vc/lib/libvcos.so ? I have libvcos.a, but not the .so file
[17:46] <MrZYX> blueskies: just 3.3, feeding 5v into it might even break it!
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[17:48] <blueskies> mr zyx - hehe thought so, thanks. also is 0.015mA per 3.3v pin
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[17:58] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, it's 0.015 amps per pin - or 15mA...
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[18:01] <blueskies> guessing you cant combine pins in serial to increase to 30mA
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[18:16] <chaoshax> Get proper buffers
[18:16] <chaoshax> Why are loads of electronic products switching from 5v to 3.3v?
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[18:16] <drazyl> power consumption
[18:17] <chaoshax> Lower voltage the better?
[18:17] <blueskies> 5v is so old school lol
[18:17] <drazyl> IIRC going from 5v -> 3.3v drops the power to 40%
[18:17] <chaoshax> blueskies, How old? Because they still make some products.
[18:17] <chaoshax> Like atmega series.
[18:18] <chaoshax> Is this change been in the last few years then?
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, do not try to combine pins like that. it'll end in tears.
[18:19] <chaoshax> Yeah lol, if one is high and the other is low= ouch
[18:19] <blueskies> hahaha thought it would. to much draw im guess thats why?
[18:19] <reider59> they have the power to do so? ;-)
[18:19] <blueskies> what does high low do?
[18:20] <drazyl> "power consumptions is proportional to... square of the voltage..."
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[18:20] <drazyl> so 5v is 5x5 = 25, 3.3v = 3.3x3.3 = 10
[18:20] <drazyl> small drop, big difference in power
[18:21] <blueskies> im guessing the change 5v to 3.3v occured when they changed from like the 12v rocket switches
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> right. weekly trip to dotty totty. laters...
[18:21] <blueskies> usb would be a big one serial was 5v? usb 3.3v
[18:21] <blueskies> i think
[18:21] <blueskies> lol
[18:21] <drazyl> or alternatively, you can clock 2.5x faster for the same consumption, roughly
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[18:43] <wiiguy> hmm where can i see how much ram i have and ie beeing used in cmd ?
[18:43] <wiiguy> on ssh*
[18:44] <Maior> wiiguy: free
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[18:44] <wiiguy> total used free shared buffers cached
[18:44] <wiiguy> Mem: 125900 114444 11456 0 1056 61284
[18:44] <wiiguy> -/+ buffers/cache: 52104 73796
[18:44] <wiiguy> Swap: 125948 20752 105196
[18:44] <wiiguy> dont think that si correct :p
[18:44] <Maior> looks correct to e
[18:44] <Maior> *me
[18:44] <Maior> but not pasting into the channel would be ideal
[18:44] <wiiguy> sry :(
[18:45] <Maior> meanwhile, what reason do you have to say it isn't correct?
[18:45] <wiiguy> i thoguht it would be mb :p
[18:45] <Maior> wiiguy: it isn't
[18:45] <Maior> wiiguy: man free
[18:45] <Maior> or free --help or sth
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[18:46] <wiiguy> wait i thought rpi would have 256mb > or is m + swap supposed to eb 256mb ?
[18:46] <wiiguy> m = mem
[18:46] <Maior> wiiguy: some will be used for the GPU
[18:46] <wiiguy> ah :)
[18:46] <wiiguy> ty for ya answers and your time :)
[18:46] <Maior> swap is only limited by the size of your storage (arguably not even then, but as a rough estimation...)
[18:47] <wiiguy> i see
[18:49] <booyaa> has anyone mentioned you can change split?
[18:49] <Maior> booyaa: ever, or recently?
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[18:49] <booyaa> easy to use rpi-update to do this
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[19:05] <exsodus> meh, I thought RTL8191SU works "out of the box" with Arch. This thing shows no sign of life
[19:07] <hotwings> that would be too easy
[19:07] <hotwings> if its not broken, its not linux
[19:07] <exsodus> lol
[19:08] <exsodus> I read the wiki, but it doesn't even list it under lsusb
[19:08] <yggdrasil> haha
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[19:15] <rm> then it's broken
[19:16] <rm> or your USB port doesn't provide enough power, for example
[19:16] <rm> check `dmesg` if there are any errors when you insert it
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[19:28] <Adya> Hi everybody:)
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[19:31] <martk100> I am attempting to setup wifi on Raspbms xbmc. I need cli access directly (not ssh). Can this be done.
[19:31] <exsodus> no errors
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[19:34] <Civil|2> martk100: hdmi, usb keyboard
[19:35] <martk100> Civil|2: I don,t quite follow.
[19:35] <tech2077> hmm
[19:35] <tech2077> this $10 robot challenge looks interesting
[19:36] <tech2077> $10 would be easy in bulk, but pretty hard for <100 production and do anything useful
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[19:37] <Civil|2> martk100: rpi have usb, so you can connect usb keyboard directly. You have hdmi - so you get output. xbmc is linux, so you can do something to get shell (afaik it's runing over X11).
[19:37] <Civil|2> martk100: plug usb keyboard to rpi, go to terminal, setup wifi.
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[19:39] <martk100> Civil|2: where is terminal setup on xbmc?
[19:39] <Civil|2> martk100: try to ctrl+alt+F#
[19:39] <Civil|2> where # is number from 1 to 9 :)
[19:40] <martk100> Civil|2: That does not work . Even when booting.
[19:41] <martk100> Civil|2: I seems impossible to get out of xbmc.
[19:41] <Civil|2> martk100: it shouldn't
[19:42] <Civil|2> martk100: comment out xbmc starting then :)
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[19:42] <martk100> I agree but it how it is . Unless someone knows someway out it.
[19:42] <Civil|2> you can remove sdcard with rootfs, insert to your pc/notebook :)
[19:42] <martk100> Civil|2: Yes I can do that.
[19:43] <Civil|2> martk100: maybe someone in your xbmc installetion disabled xorg's magic keys.
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[19:43] <martk100> Civil|2: Where/what are they?
[19:44] <Civil|2> martk100: try to kill everything on current console
[19:44] <Civil|2> via sysrq
[19:44] <Civil|2> alt+sysrq+k
[19:45] <Civil|2> or get keyboard from X serve: alt+sysrq+r
[19:45] <Civil|2> and then switch to other console
[19:45] <martk100> Civil|2: Other console?
[19:45] <exsodus> there are no errors http://pastie.org/4245152
[19:46] <exsodus> it just doesn't detect it for some reason
[19:47] <Civil|2> martk100: alt + f1, alt + f2, etc.
[19:47] <Civil|2> after grabbing X's input
[19:48] <martk100> Civil|2: Those do not work . I can not a tty.
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[19:48] <martk100> Civil|2: Unless it will work after killing current console.
[19:48] <Civil|2> martk100: it should
[19:49] <Civil|2> if sysrq enabled in kernel
[19:49] <martk100> Civil|2: Which key is sysrq?
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[19:49] <Civil|2> martk100: print screen
[19:50] <martk100> Civil|2: ok thanks ver y much you have been very patient.
[19:50] <martk100> Civil|2: I wioll try all you suggest
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[20:29] <jardiamj> Hi guys! here is a little Physics experiment using the Raspberry Pi for my PH100 class at udacity.com: http://forums.udacity.com/ph100/questions/4224/doing-physics-with-my-raspberry-pi-experiment-2
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[20:30] <jardiamj> I'll post it in the forums later..
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[20:34] <Habstinat> For anyone here who has Arch Linux and wants to game on their Pi, I just found this wiki page <https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Netbook_Games> and almost all the games run great on the Pi
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[20:42] <CaptObvious> just got my email saying I can order my pi
[20:43] <CaptObvious> but I don't get paid until midnight :(
[20:43] <blueskies> yeah same happened to me, except i had to wait 2 weeks lol
[20:44] <CaptObvious> I don't even have anything to do with it
[20:44] <CaptObvious> I just want one because it's a tiny little computer.
[20:44] <CaptObvious> I might use it as a SSH/VPN entry point for my network
[20:47] <reider59> Gordon, if you`re reading this and not too busy. Just been your install page for wiringPi, carefully typed in the first bit to download wiringPi.tgz, had a problem getting Pi to download it but could have been me. Instead I hit the link to download it and used FTP to put it in the /tmp folder manually. Carried on from there and all is well except the examples, when I did a make it sait lcd.h No such file or dir
[20:47] <reider59> ectory compilation terminated. make: *** [lcd.0] Error 1
[20:48] <reider59> So that appears the only error, got arounnd the download
[20:48] <reider59> *around too
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[20:50] <reider59> I made a 4 extra M/F jumper wires, need 2 anyway. Used some motherboard power connectors and cut the twin side of the plastic connectors off. Soldered on some pins and taped the joins. They will do for now lol
[20:50] <CaptObvious> would it be feasible to use the pi to replace a car stereo? :P
[20:50] <MrZYX> reider59: did you first compile wiringPi and ran sudo make install too before trying the examples/the gpio command part?
[20:50] <reider59> Must get some srink tubing or use straws lol
[20:51] <reider59> I followed the instructions here.....https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/download-and-install/
[20:51] <reider59> Most of the examples are there and all the rest was OK
[20:52] <MrZYX> maybe try rerunning the first make install one
[20:52] <reider59> Will do
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[20:55] <archstanton78> omg raspbmc its uber awesome
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[20:56] <archstanton78> my only issue is this what wifi usb dongle will work without any messing?
[20:57] <archstanton78> ooh and sometimes the screen doesnt fit the telly over hdmi any way of fixing this??
[20:57] <MrZYX> reider59: oh wait, kinda misread, thought it complained about wiringPi.h not lcd.h, that seems indeed to be missing in the Makefile
[20:57] <reider59> Got: nothing to make, exactly the same result with the examples. wonder if one was taken out/moved/renamed
[20:57] <Syliss> archstanton78: change the setting in config.txt
[20:57] <Arch-MBP> did they fix raspbmc domain?
[20:58] <reider59> k no problem, always better to recheck and thx for helping
[20:58] <Arch-MBP> ahh i see they did
[20:58] <archstanton78> Arch-MBP was it broken?
[20:58] <Arch-MBP> yeah
[20:58] <reider59> It`s only an example so no major problem
[20:58] <Arch-MBP> was down for a few days..maybe a week
[20:58] <MrZYX> reider59: you can add "install -m 0644 lcd.h /usr/local/include" somewhere under the install part in the Makefile and rerun make install if you want
[20:58] <archstanton78> Arch-MBP hope it want me
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[20:59] <reider59> I`ll leave it for now but thx, as I say it`s purely an example file. I can always get a look at it later with Notepad++
[21:01] <archstanton78> whats the best skin for raspbmc on the pi
[21:01] <archstanton78> i enabled transparency which is nice but i dont want to break it or make it slow
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[21:10] <hotwings> whats the status of rpi audio? its been several months now. should be working fine at this point
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> evening Pi fans!
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/fan1.jpg <--- Pi Fan.
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> hotwings, audio seems to mostly work as far as the very limited tests I've done on my Pi...
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> MrZYX, got it sorted?
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[21:17] <MrZYX> well, you should fix your Makefile if you didn't already ;)
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> MrZYX, Ah, just reading back. yes, looks like an oopsie there!
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> thanks.
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> ok. updated & tested it!
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[21:30] <reider59> Just used wget http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/wiringPi.tgz and got the same error using make in the examples, tried it twice
[21:31] <reider59> lcd.c:36:17: fatal error: lcd.h: No such file or directory
[21:31] <reider59> compilation terminated.
[21:31] <reider59> make: *** [lcd.o] Error 1
[21:32] <reider59> Went through the full list on https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/download-and-install/
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> re-do the wget now.
[21:32] <reider59> okies
[21:33] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: is that a temp sensor i see on the cpu?
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, in the fan photo? Yes.
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, it's an LM35 - analog output.
[21:34] <dmsuse> ah ok
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> it's connected to ant ATmega which is taking back to the Pi via the on-board serial.
[21:34] <dmsuse> nice
[21:34] <gordonDrogon> the Pi controls the motor speed via the PWM.
[21:34] <reider59> [CC] lcd.c
[21:34] <reider59> lcd.c:36:17: fatal error: lcd.h: No such file or directory
[21:34] <reider59> compilation terminated.
[21:34] <reider59> make: *** [lcd.o] Error 1
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> reider59, Hm. Someone's obviously not right. let me double- check.
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[21:35] <RAThomas> reider59: I just downloaded it and it compiled with no complaints
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[21:35] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi0: md5sum Makefile lcd.c
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> d41fe5b7ec540ebbf7c81ba17a17f2df Makefile
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> b1ce6a46d9124d8862ed075d19d85e94 lcd.c
[21:35] <reider59> No idea then, done it three times now
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> can you run that md5sum command? I'm wondering if something has cached a prior version.
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[21:36] <RAThomas> reider59: sanity check... do you *have* an "lcd.h" in the same directory as lcd.c?
[21:37] <reider59> any way to clear it all out and start over? Or is it worthwhile if only an example file? Might be better just to ftp it in
[21:37] <reider59> ls
[21:37] <reider59> oops
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> try this - delete the top-level wiringPi directory, then:
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[21:38] <gordonDrogon> wget http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/x.tgz
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> tar xfz x.tgz
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> etc.
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> I just copied wiringPi.tgz to x.tgz
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ hermes: md5sum wiringPi.tgz
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> cf300b528812535a8ab856b62c8a322c wiringPi.tgz
[21:39] <reider59> got wiringPi.tgz.1 and 2 and 3 so this could be half the problem
[21:39] <reider59> I`ll clean them up
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> a-ha. yes. wget will number files...
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[21:42] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=102932&sid=d580a429b1bb50ca9cafa17b855d60ca#p102932
[21:43] <dmsuse> gordonDrogon: yeah i was just asking as i want to get a temp sensor working with my pi, but i don't want anything inbetween
[21:43] <dmsuse> so ill just wait till someone else does it :P
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[21:44] <ukscone> anyone currently got a raspi running the wheezy beta do me a favour and upload raspi-config somewhere so i can grab it pls
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[21:48] <RAThomas> ukscone: http://pastebin.com/Xr2aXbjx
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> dmsuse, the only solution I can think of is the 1-wire stuff.
[21:49] <ukscone> RAThomas: thnx
[21:50] <RAThomas> np
[21:50] <reider59> woo hoo suck cess! Right click and paste keeps cutting out so I had to type it in. With all the shenanigans I took my time and checked carefully
[21:51] <nio> ack my d-link dwa-160 always fucks after a few seconds of usage
[21:51] <reider59> Many thanks
[21:51] <Hexxeh> whoever got u-boot running on pi, you're awesome, gj
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[21:51] <reider59> ahhhh soon go with no SD card?
[21:52] <Hexxeh> no i use u-boot for some chromeos stuff
[21:52] <Hexxeh> it saved me having to hack up postinstall to work with the old "bootloader"
[21:52] <Hexxeh> we have an existing mechanism in place for u-boot
[21:52] <reider59> thought I read somewhere about the SD Card, must be mistaken
[21:53] <jardiamj> dmsuse I got and TPM36 temperature sensor talking connected to an MCP3002 ADC talking to the Pi over SPI
[21:53] <jardiamj> The code from the Gertboard works like a charm
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, not tried using the kernel driver yet?
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> I need something "cool" to try to use the kernel drivers with.. I might treat myself to some new IMU cards.
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[21:55] <thealphanerd> anyone here been playing with i2c?
[21:56] <jardiamj> I just wired it up yesterday and tried the code from the Gertboard, connected my multimeter to check out the voltage, and it's all good
[21:56] <reider59> Is that all thats needed for wiringPi and LCD Gordon? No other commands to type in?
[21:57] <jardiamj> gordonDrogon: Any info in how to use the SPI Driver?, I'm new to this...
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> reider59, the lcd.c in wiringPi is the driver code - you need to compile the other lcd program in the examples directory.
[21:57] <reider59> ls
[21:57] <reider59> did it again lol
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, I have this template, but not tested it yet: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/spi/spidev_test.c
[21:58] <reider59> 2 monitors side by side
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[21:58] <gordonDrogon> Actually, I have a pair or A/D and D/A chips with SPI interfaces.
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[22:00] <jardiamj> thanks gordonDrogon, I'll check it out. I just started to learn C, bitwise operations and this sort fo things..
[22:01] <jardiamj> *of
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[22:02] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, ah, ok. in at the deep end then ;-)
[22:02] <IT_Sean> O_o
[22:04] <jardiamj> yep...
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[22:07] <Hexxeh> hmm
[22:08] <Hexxeh> u-boot doesn't like my mmc
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[22:14] <reider59> C is as clear as mud to me lol. Might be why I have compilation errors in LCD.c these crackers might help me figure it
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[22:14] <gordonDrogon> is it still failing to compile?
[22:14] <reider59> yes, theirs a list of stuff
[22:14] <reider59> might be me
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> ok. Do this exactly:
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> cd /tmp
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> rm -rf wiringPi.tgz
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> wget http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/wiringPi.tgz
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> with me so-far?
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[22:16] <reider59> hang on, no right click and paste, only a mini kb on the Pi
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[22:16] <gordonDrogon> next command is: md5sum wiringPi.tgz
[22:17] <gordonDrogon> and I expect the output to be: cf300b528812535a8ab856b62c8a322c
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[22:19] <gordonDrogon> reider59, how goes?
[22:20] <reider59> matched the md5sum.
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> great.
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> tar xfz wiringPi.tgz
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> cd wiringPi/wiringPi
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> make
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[22:20] <reider59> tar xfz wiringPi.tgz
[22:20] <reider59> shuffle
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[22:20] <Gadgetoid> kerfuffle!
[22:21] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: git clone https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi.git :D
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, putting in edge detection in the next wiringPi... not sure if it's of use or not, but ...
[22:21] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Oooo, nice!
[22:21] <Gadgetoid> More features the merrier, you never know when someone might find use for it
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, hows the LEDs?
[22:22] <reider59> done
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> no errors?
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> sudo make install
[22:22] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Haven't had time to try 'em out :( busy with all manner of other things
[22:22] <reider59> nope, don`t think it was the install, just compiling the lcd.c
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[22:22] <gordonDrogon> but it compiled OK this time?
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> if it compiled and installed OK, then ...
[22:23] <reider59> not done the rest, their was more on that install page, let me go back to it and finish the install
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> cd ../gpio
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> yes, I'm talking you thought it, one step at a time.
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> so the make and make install in wiringPi was OK?
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[22:26] <reider59> yes and up to cd ../gpio, in there now
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> ok, make then sudo make install
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[22:27] <reider59> cd ../examples?
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> if the gpio install was ok, yes.
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> cd ../examples ; make
[22:28] <reider59> done
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[22:28] <reider59> only errors were nothing to make
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> nothing to make?
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[22:28] <reider59> must still be finding something
[22:29] <reider59> leave it and I`ll do a clean install when I can]
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[22:29] <gordonDrogon> that was a clean install...
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[22:30] <gordonDrogon> anyway, what you need to do now is copy the lcd.c program to some where safe as /tmp will be deleted on reboot.
[22:30] <reider59> ahhhh
[22:30] <Pickley> Haha, and now I get sent an order code for a Raspberry Pi
[22:30] <Pickley> lmao
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> then examine it and compile it yourself to use your LCD display...
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> that is the lcd.c program in the examples directory.
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> Pickley, order it!
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[22:31] <Pickley> I don't need two?
[22:31] <Pickley> Unless I sell one
[22:31] <reider59> Ok. I`ll make some notes, put them on the Windows desktop and then try again with a clear Distro
[22:31] <reider59> Many thanks
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[22:37] <iBooyaa> lolo
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[22:51] <thealphanerd> is anyone using rpi-update?
[22:51] <thealphanerd> does that update the firmware to the latest kernel available on github?
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> I've used rpi-update in the past.
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> I'm pretty sure it does, but I compile my own kernel...
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> so it's not something I checked closely.
[22:52] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: did you know Ben Heck plugged WiringPi? :D
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes! A week or so ago? I commented on it on his blog..
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> although a very small comment..
[22:53] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: was just watching the video posted today, it's mentioned in that
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> oh, a new one?
[22:54] <thealphanerd> gordonDrogon: have you compiled since the 9th?
[22:54] <thealphanerd> is the i2c module now compiled by default?
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> thealphanerd, yes - I compiled i2c and spi and 1-wire as modules.
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[22:55] <thealphanerd> is it possible to compile those modules without recompiling the entire kernel? (I'm new to the kernel)
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> I was somewhat irritated that the spi driver enables 2 output pins and sets them on.
[22:55] <thealphanerd> or should I just cross compile and replace the entire kernel
[22:55] <gordonDrogon> its is possible - but only once you've compiled the whole kernel the first time.
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[22:56] <thealphanerd> gordonDrogon: so is the best bet for me to cross compile and replace the entire kernel?
[22:56] <thealphanerd> it is sounding like it :P
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> well - I don't know really.
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> if the standard kernel works for you then use it.
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> I'm a bit old-fashioned and have been comiling kernels for years... (and years)
[22:57] <thealphanerd> I need i2c for the project I am working on??? and since the module is a new addition, it might be best to move upstream
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, got a link to his latest video? Ijust got a 404 from the e14 site.
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> I think they are in the latest kernels though.
[22:57] <thealphanerd> don't want to add a module that expects other parts of the kernel to work a different way
[22:57] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: http://revision3.com/tbhs/retro-computer
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[23:00] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ah yes, that's the one that was posted a week or so ago...
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, although I saw the video on another site... Hm.
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[23:01] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I've been in a black hole of arduino and pi programming
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, :) That must be an early model...
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ah no... Hm. my brain is confused now :)
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> I want one of those.
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[23:05] <jardiamj> what does this mean, can somebody explain it to me: CPHA indicates the clock phase used to sample data; CPHA=0 says sample on the leading edge, CPHA=1 means the trailing edge.
[23:06] <jardiamj> leading edge vs trailing edge...
[23:07] <Gadgetoid> I love the plug-in IO cards
[23:07] <Gadgetoid> jardiamj: wat?
[23:08] <jardiamj> I am reading at the SPI driver documentation..
[23:08] <iBooyaa> exec rm -rf /
[23:08] <iBooyaa> :D
[23:08] <jardiamj> but I don't understand what leading edge and trailing edge means
[23:09] <Gadgetoid> jardiamj: think leading is when it goes from LOW to HIGH and trailing when it goes from HIGH to LOW... but I'm no expert
[23:09] <jardiamj> how would I relate that to the serial timing diagram here: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/21294C.pdf
[23:10] <Gadgetoid> jardiamj: you have a clock signal which tells you when to read the data signal
[23:11] <Gadgetoid> jardiamj: So if CPHA=0 you would read from the data signal when the clock goes from low to high
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[23:13] <jardiamj> so in this case it will read when it's going from high to low, so it's CPHA=1
[23:14] <jardiamj> Am I correct, did you look at the diagram?
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[23:15] <Gadgetoid> jardiamj: sounds about right
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I'm now wondering if those cards, etc. are going to be promoted by e14/Farnell for schools, etc.
[23:17] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I wouldn't mind a few, specially if they're pre-built!
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> somewhat more intersting than the gertboard...
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> I doubt I'd get e14/Farnell to furbish ickle ol' me with freebies though
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yea... even if he is using wiringPi!
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> almost makes me want to go out and buy a laser cutter now.
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[23:37] <reider59> Present for ya Gordon lol http://www.instructables.com/id/Laser-cutter-start-slicing-stuff-for-under-50-dol/
[23:38] <reider59> couple of old scanners, ally tubing, few bits n Bobs, let someone else try it first, don`t forget the goggles lol
[23:39] <reider59> oh, he stresses some lube too
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[23:41] <Syliss> cool, pisces runs well
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[23:48] <gordonDrogon> reider59, Right. I have an A4 X-Y ploter... it's been gathering dust for years, but still works. Takes commands via rs232.
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> reider59, however that's absolutely RIPE for hacking to make a laser cutter.
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> What a project...
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> not big enough to cut a keyboard case. only A4.
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> However. What the heck - I'm good with DIY. what's stopping me making something...
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> ponder ponder ponder...
[23:50] <NucWin> laptop keyboard would fit in a4?
[23:50] <Pickley> Cut raspberry cases with it.
[23:50] <Pickley> :P
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> it would.
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> all I'd really need is a laser strapping to the pen carrier.
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> and a way to turn it on/off.
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> it takes rs232 commands @ 9600 baud as it is.
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> egads brain, why didn't I think of that sooner!!!
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[23:52] <reider59> too true, worth a go. those guys were funny but then I recalled how many printer/scanners I collected and threw away just recently, wish I`d kept em lol
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[23:55] <reider59> I have about 3 printers left, no four but keeping one with scanner and the others only include 1 with scanner. I don`t half keep some stuff stored. Had about 20-25 keyboards til I got rid of some a bit back. Broke my heart to do it too
[23:55] <thealphanerd> when doing i2c on the raspi??? what boltage do you end up using? the 5v or the 3.3
[23:55] <thealphanerd> ?
[23:55] <Walther> yeah, collecting stuff - the curse of all the nerds and geeks 'round the world
[23:56] <reider59> I don`t care if it isn`t working, I still like to keep it lol
[23:56] <Walther> I threw away a working LCD from a broken laptop - it would've made a great display for the pi
[23:56] <reider59> Keep saying I`ll find a use for it
[23:57] <reider59> I could plunder some hardware for bits n pieces of electronics, that`s how I made 4 more m/f jumper wires today, from an old case
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