#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-07-13

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[0:04] <deebo> anyone used a usb lan adapter with an rpi to see how fast it can go?
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[0:05] <gordonDrogon> thealphanerd, need to keep everything at 3.3v
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> deebo, the on-board ethernet is a usb lan adapter...
[0:05] <chaoshax> I don't think it's even common to find 5 v i2c devices.
[0:05] <reider59> Got a USB Lan to my Picture frame lol
[0:06] <chaoshax> Nearly all the sensors I have found all run at 3.3 now.
[0:06] <reider59> Pic Frame now pings the net
[0:06] <deebo> gordonDrogon: oh, guess its not an option then
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[0:06] <deebo> i have a 100Mbit wan, guess the rpi can't handle that with two usb lans
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> deebo, it's is an option - just saying that the on-board one is already usb..
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> however, it's zed time. not going to sleep with a head full of ideas though...
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[0:11] <reider59> I text file it but then I have short term memory problems so it`s a case of needs must. a night of sleep (I should be so lucky with this dog or the police the other night) and next day it`s gone
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[0:14] <thealphanerd> gordonDrogon: so if you are using i2c modules that require 5.0 v you need to deal with the voltage
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[0:19] <chaoshax> thealphanerd, Yep
[0:19] <thealphanerd> sigh
[0:19] <chaoshax> Usually you use a llc
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[0:20] <chaoshax> http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/logic-level-converter
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[1:03] <Detritus> Does anyone have a working install running initramfs they could share an image off? I'm having a hell of a time getting my booted up and running with root on an HDD connected via USB <-> bridge
[1:03] <Syliss> modding modding over the modding linux bay
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[1:14] <NucWin> Detritus i just used another computer to cp the root file system to the hdd over usb then edited /boot/cmdline.txt
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[1:14] <NucWin> was actually in a virtual machine on my laptop but the two usb's allowed me to mount src and dest
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[1:28] <midnightmagic> can anyone tell me whether ltrace works on their pi (debian6/squeeze) ? anytime I attempt it (with -f flag or no) it seems to freeze at __libc_start_main()
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[1:37] <Code_Bleu> anyone running gentoo on there pi?
[1:38] <eggy> na, raspbian here
[1:40] <NucWin> no ones had a pi long enough to have irssi yet
[1:41] <NucWin> have = build
[1:41] <NucWin> i might give it a go tomorrow though
[1:42] <NucWin> its hard float :)
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[1:47] <Detritus> NucWin: That's what I have been doing. What's you cmdline.txt look like? I think the problem I'm having is that my usb<>sata isn't usable till after I finish booting. The /dev/sdXn entries have been made yet
[1:47] <Detritus> Errr haven't
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[1:48] <NucWin> smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 loglevel=2 root=/dev/sda1 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
[1:48] <NucWin> i am using archlinuxarm
[1:49] <Detritus> Ya, That should have worked. I think my usb <> bridge is a cheap knock off and it takes a while to be detected.
[1:49] <Detritus> Either that or I have something compiled as a module that I need biult in for it to be available at boot time
[1:50] <NucWin> what distribution you using?
[1:50] <NucWin> also think the brige im usng has some realtek chip
[1:51] <NucWin> oh wait that might have been card reader
[1:51] <Detritus> I'm running gento
[1:51] <Detritus> gentoo
[1:51] <Detritus> The bridg eI'm running is a JMicron chipset
[1:51] <NucWin> ahhh you might be missing the driver you need from kernel then ;)
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[1:51] <NucWin> cant load module from disk it cant mount ;)
[1:51] <Detritus> Possibly. No big deal. I'm just another kernel compile away. :)
[1:51] <Detritus> Right
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[1:52] <NucWin> have fun
[1:52] <Code_Bleu> Detritus: are there any .img files out there for gentoo...or i just need to manually do everything to install gentoo?
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[1:52] <Detritus> There's an image. Hang on, I'll get you a a link.
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[1:53] <Detritus> Here you go. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=82403#p82403
[1:54] <Code_Bleu> ok, i just got the pi and this is prob gonna sound stupid, but i just imaged the debian image on a 2GB sd card. I have hdmi hooked up and usb mouse and keyboard. I also have usb power cable hooked up, but nothing happens...what am i missing?
[1:54] <Code_Bleu> Detritus: thanks!
[1:55] <Detritus> Try it without the mouse and keyboard first. They could be drawing too much current
[1:55] <Code_Bleu> Detritus: ok. I know it says 4GB recommended SD card, but i was hoping the 2G would work for now
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[1:56] <Detritus> No, you can't put a 4g image ona 2g SD. It just wont eork
[1:56] <Code_Bleu> Detritus: still nothing
[1:56] <Detritus> work
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[1:57] <phire> Code_Bleu, is the ok led flashing?
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[1:58] <Code_Bleu> phire: it only has the red power light on....and maybe a really faint green on the OK
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[1:59] <phire> latest debian image?
[1:59] <Code_Bleu> Detritus: the debian image file is 1.9GB file, not 4G
[2:00] <Syliss> is it made for a 4gb sd card tho?
[2:00] <Code_Bleu> phire: i believe so: sha1sum = .....58cf
[2:00] <SIFTU> it worked on a 2Gb card for me
[2:00] <Code_Bleu> Syliss: i dont know...the docs say "recommended" 4G...so maybe it is..i dont know
[2:00] <phire> the fact that its not flashing suggests its not even loading bootcode.bin
[2:01] <Syliss> Code_Bleu: try another distro. it could be your sd card too
[2:01] <phire> I assuming that debian image includes the version of bootcode.bin that actually flashes.
[2:02] <phire> older versions don't
[2:02] <Code_Bleu> Syliss: ill keep trying different things... fortunately i have 2 pi's to try as well.
[2:02] <Syliss> also, Code_Bleu how are you imaging to the sd card?
[2:02] <Syliss> 2 pis?
[2:02] <Code_Bleu> Syliss: dd
[2:02] <Code_Bleu> 2 raspberry pis
[2:02] <Syliss> lucky
[2:02] <SIFTU> Code_Bleu: yeah but to the device and not a partition right
[2:02] <Syliss> i want a model A
[2:03] <Syliss> and i want the mk802 really bad.
[2:03] <Code_Bleu> Syliss: when i ordered, i figured i might as well get 2 since it takes so long to get one
[2:03] <Syliss> lol
[2:03] <phire> Code_Bleu, check the sd card in your computer
[2:03] <phire> make sure it has a fat16 partition with bootcode.bin in it
[2:04] <Code_Bleu> phire: it just shows 1 w95 fat32 partition
[2:05] <Syliss> what os?
[2:05] <Code_Bleu> phire: im gonna re - dd it and see what happens
[2:05] <SIFTU> Code_Bleu: what was you exact dd command
[2:05] <Code_Bleu> Syliss: im running gentoo
[2:06] <phire> one fat32 partition, that doesn't sound right
[2:06] <SIFTU> lots of people make the mistake of dd'ing to a partition and not the block device
[2:06] <techsurvivor> i can vouch for that :)
[2:06] <Code_Bleu> SIFTU: i think i put a 1 at the end and didnt need to. /dev/sdb1 versus /dev/sdb for the of=
[2:06] <Code_Bleu> SIFTU: thats what i did ;)
[2:06] <SIFTU> Code_Bleu: then that is the problem
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[2:07] <techsurvivor> i can say i've done the same if it's any consolation
[2:07] <phire> problem solved
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[2:07] <SIFTU> Code_Bleu: also you will find raspbian a lot faster
[2:07] <Code_Bleu> phire: yes, im sure that will work. I should have known better...just wasnt paying attention
[2:08] <Code_Bleu> SIFTU: thanks
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[2:09] <Syliss> I'm running raspbian. i need to hook it up to my wrt54g so i can install my b usb nic
[2:10] <SIFTU> anyone know if the rpi's nic can do 802.1q?
[2:10] <SIFTU> i should try it out i guess
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[2:12] <reider59> oops! Pressed the wrong button on the remote in the dark here and shut down the PC instead of the Pi lol
[2:15] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[2:29] <midnightmagic> can someone try running : ltrace -fStT ls and tell me whether the ltrace hangs at __libc_start_main()? just apt-get install ltrace and then "ltrace -fStT ls"
[2:29] <midnightmagic> (on their pi)
[2:30] <Ben64> sure
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[2:32] <midnightmagic> if it hangs, you may have to control-z and then kill -9 %1 to get rid of it..
[2:32] <midnightmagic> control-C doesn't exit in my case.
[2:32] <Ben64> i think my pi has issues with my sd
[2:33] <Ben64> writes take a long time, which makes apt-get take a while
[2:33] <zgreg> that is normal, most SD cards are very slow at writing
[2:33] <Ben64> [ 3312.722233] mmc0: final write to SD card still running
[2:33] <Ben64> [ 3322.587233] mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt - cmd12.
[2:33] <Ben64> [ 3322.588521] mmcblk0: error -110 sending stop command, original cmd response 0x900, card status 0x900
[2:33] <Ben64> is that normal?
[2:34] <zgreg> no, that means your SD card is *too* slow :)
[2:34] <Ben64> class 10 :|
[2:34] <midnightmagic> apparently some class 10 cards have an issue.
[2:34] <zgreg> the classes are are rather useless
[2:34] <midnightmagic> i think there's a fix for it though.
[2:34] <zgreg> midnightmagic: no
[2:34] <Ben64> class 10 is kinda useless
[2:34] <Ben64> the other ones make sense
[2:34] <midnightmagic> zgreg: no? lemme find now.. where did I read that.
[2:34] <zgreg> midnightmagic: yes, but there is no specific class 10 problem
[2:35] <Ben64> class 10 = 10MB/s sequential
[2:35] <midnightmagic> zgreg: fwiw, all the class 10 I have in there, including microsdhc, all work fine.
[2:35] <Ben64> class 6 = 6MB/s random
[2:35] <Ben64> making class 6 potentially better
[2:35] <midnightmagic> zgreg: Then it's a universal problem including some class4/6/etc?
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[2:36] <zgreg> midnightmagic: yes
[2:36] <midnightmagic> zgreg: Any chance you could tell me whether ltrace fails for you too? :-D
[2:36] <Ben64> class 10 uses a different ... something
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[2:36] <midnightmagic> zgreg: (also, thanks for clarifying)
[2:38] <Ben64> hmm, my packages are in a weird state
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[2:41] <Ben64> midnightmagic: yep, appears to hang at - [pid 26905] 00:39:29 __libc_start_main(41160, 1, 0xbed3e814, 114304, 114300
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[3:05] <midnightmagic> Ben64: thank you
[3:06] <midnightmagic> Ben64: Just making sure I'm not doing something trivially wrong with my config. I appreciate it.
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[3:09] <Ben64> midnightmagic: no problem. I'm on wheezy btw
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[3:27] <Code_Bleu> just used a laser temp gun on the Pi, and its averaging around 100 deg F the hottest parts (which i was surprised) is the audio and RCA jack (nothing hooked to either one of them either) That area is at 107 - 110 deg F
[3:31] <IT_Sean> O_o
[3:31] <IT_Sean> Are you sure it is those specific areas that are getting that hot, and not something nearby?
[3:31] <IT_Sean> There is NO reason for the audio & RCA jack assemblies to get hot
[3:33] <jonn> Code_Bleu: Are you sure you are not hitting another part? I know mine goes out in like a flashlight type shape
[3:36] <IT_Sean> Aye. The further from target, the larger the sample size, and the laser sight (if equipped) is offset slightly on most models.
[3:37] <Code_Bleu> IT_Sean: yes there is nothing else close by
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[3:38] <Code_Bleu> jonn: i went all over the board, front and back and on the front audio and rca is the hotest
[3:38] <IT_Sean> The Pi does use the ground plane to sink heat, but, it shouldn't get THAT hot
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[3:40] <IT_Sean> It should never get so hot that you cannot touch it without burning your finger.
[3:41] <SIFTU> 110F wouldnt burn you surely
[3:41] <Code_Bleu> IT_Sean: its not hot to the touch.
[3:41] <SIFTU> weather gets hotter than that
[3:42] <Code_Bleu> IT_Sean: the ambiant temp that is around my board is 82-83F. I just pointed the laser on the RCA and just applied power to the board (no os / no SD) and it immediately starting getting hotter.
[3:43] * IT_Sean shrugs
[3:44] <IT_Sean> odd
[3:44] <Code_Bleu> IT_Sean: it is currently at 87F without anything running (just power)
[3:47] <Code_Bleu> IT_Sean: i just booted up with os and monitored it and it went from 87F to 97F in the time it took to get to the login screen..and its still going up. I have another Pi, so i will test that one too
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[3:49] <aykut> help mee
[3:50] <aykut> may rasPi killing me
[3:50] <IT_Sean> ?
[3:50] <aykut> very very very very slow
[3:50] <aykut> it gave me cancer
[3:51] * aykut is now known as aykut|cancer
[3:51] <SIFTU> how can we help with that unless you dont run raspbian or havent overclocked it
[3:52] <IT_Sean> O_o
[3:52] <aykut|cancer> on debian
[3:52] <aykut|cancer> chrome-browser
[3:52] <ebswift> i've got an issue with wifi on wheezy where it doesn't wake up from sleep... is there something generic with wpa supplicant for coming back from sleep that i might have missed, or would this probably be a driver issue?
[3:53] <aykut|cancer> aaaaand its gone
[3:54] <Code_Bleu> IT_Sean: check this out, its a pic of me measuring the temp. its at 106.5F currently...the max in the pic is 103F and you can barely tell the laser is on the yellow of the jack...but it is there. http://troll.ws/i/DwBxVh.jpg
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[3:57] <IT_Sean> you are reading the temp of that chip near the jack, i promise you
[3:57] <IT_Sean> I have that exact model thermometer in my office... the laser is offset on it.
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[3:58] <ReggieUK> and you probably want to get it closer otherwise you're measuring an average of the surrounding board temp and the chip
[3:59] <IT_Sean> woah
[3:59] <IT_Sean> big bloody netsplit
[3:59] <IT_Sean> O_O
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[3:59] <ReggieUK> was there
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[3:59] <Code_Bleu> IT_Sean: im on the jack...the chip behind it reads around 102F as well. I just hooked up my other Pi and it does the same thing
[3:59] <ReggieUK> I turned all that junk off a long time ago IT_Sean, I never see joins/quits
[4:00] <ReggieUK> pibot usually does a good job of keeping the spam ratio up though
[4:00] <IT_Sean> im on a web client
[4:00] <IT_Sean> on my cr-48
[4:00] <ReggieUK> ahh
[4:00] <ReggieUK> :p
[4:00] <ReggieUK> didn't they update chrome today?
[4:01] <IT_Sean> did they?
[4:01] <ReggieUK> for the cr-48?
[4:01] <ReggieUK> I thought I saw it on engadget
[4:01] <IT_Sean> Im on the DEV-UNSTABLE update sechedule.
[4:01] <IT_Sean> I got an update the other day.
[4:01] <markbook> hrrm have to check mine for updates
[4:01] * IT_Sean thinks Reg is jelly :p
[4:02] <ReggieUK> http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/11/chrome-os-version-20-drive-docs-aura/
[4:03] * IT_Sean does an update check
[4:03] <IT_Sean> I'm up to date
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[4:10] <ReggieUK> life on the edge, eh? :)
[4:11] <eggy> hi guys
[4:13] <IT_Sean> 'ello
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[5:35] <dlynes> If I've booted up an sd card with composite video attached already, will it fubar future bootups on hdmi?
[5:35] <dlynes> i.e. is that what all the configuration stuff does on the first boot?
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[5:46] <mikey_w> Is there a terminal in raspmc?
[5:55] <Xark> dlynes: No, it tries to detect HDMI monitor each boot, and falls back to composite if not found (unless you force it to HDMI or composite).
[5:55] <dlynes> mikey_w, yes, there is. LXTerminal
[5:56] <mikey_w> How do I navigate to it?
[5:56] <dlynes> Xark, ah..seems if it doesn't detect hdmi on the first boot, it forces it to composite
[5:56] <dlynes> mikey_w, depends on which distro you installed
[5:57] <mikey_w> OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel-20120704203304-r11493
[5:58] <dlynes> mikey_w, which window manager does it use?
[5:58] <mikey_w> Beats me.
[5:58] <dlynes> mikey_w, where did you get it from?
[5:58] <Xark> dlynes: That is not my experience. I have to remember to turn on my HDMI monitor every time I reboot (usually use ssh/serial).
[5:58] <mikey_w> I could ssh in if I knew the user/password.
[5:59] <huene> openelec starts xbmc directly afaik
[5:59] <dlynes> Xark, have you ever had a composite monitor hooked up?
[5:59] <Xark> dlynes: Sure.
[5:59] <dlynes> Xark, on the first boot?
[5:59] <huene> i guess ssh is your only chance
[5:59] <mikey_w> huene, do you know the user/password for it?
[5:59] <huene> no, sorry
[5:59] <Xark> dlynes: Yes, but it may depend on the distro. I have only used the initial debian image.
[5:59] <dlynes> huene, I just re-dd'd the image
[6:00] <dlynes> Xark, ah..I had all four images from the main download page, but I had only tried one of them on hdmi (had tried all of them on composite)
[6:00] <Xark> dlynes: If you find it a problem, you can force your monitor type in config.txt.
[6:00] <dlynes> I must admit...it's much nicer on hdmi...quite crappy on composite
[6:01] <Xark> dlynes: Yeah. I think it is actually pretty "good composite", but that isn't saying very much. :)
[6:01] <dlynes> some clown at future shop tried selling me a $50 HDMI cable for the monitor...i told him where to go, and how fast to get there
[6:01] * Xark notes it is a shame it doesn't have S-video, that would help a lot for non-HDMI.
[6:02] <dlynes> Xark, vga would help more :0
[6:02] <dlynes> Xark, although s/video would help I suppose for hooking up tv's
[6:03] <dlynes> Xark, but i was trying to avoid having to plant myself in the living room every time I wanted to use the rpi
[6:03] <Xark> dlynes: Trivial hardware difference vs composite. I personally don't need VGA (I don't have any VGA monitors w/o HDMI/DVI).
[6:03] <mikey_w> Anyone know the user/password for OpenElectric?
[6:03] <dlynes> Xark, 75 ohm coax would actually be the best
[6:03] <Xark> (svideo would have been nearly free)
[6:04] <Xark> dlynes: What? RF?
[6:04] <dlynes> Xark, rf?
[6:04] <dlynes> and 75 ohm coax would practically be free
[6:04] <Xark> dlynes: The only video devices I have with coax are RF (i.e., channel 3/4). RCA for composite or s-video for chroma/luma here.
[6:05] <Xark> dlynes: What does that buy you vs RCA composite?
[6:05] <dlynes> Xark, ah...here, it's channel 2 up to 83(?)
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[6:05] <huene> mikey_w: tried "root" with "openelec"? (first google hit)
[6:05] <dlynes> Xark, one cable vs 3?
[6:05] <Xark> dlynes: So, coax like a cable box (which is RF I believe)?
[6:05] <mikey_w> No I haven't
[6:06] <dlynes> Xark, i don't know what this rf is you're talking about...RF here is just radio frequency, which is a pretty generic term and could mean just about anything
[6:07] <Xark> dlynes: What I mean is the entire RF TV "spectrum" is on coax (as a cable box uses it). This is RF, as opposed to RCA cable which is a single "channel" and not RF.
[6:07] <dlynes> Xark, correct....75 ohm coax, as opposed to 300 ohm copper pair
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[6:07] <Xark> dlynes: Honestly, I fair to see the point of a RPi using coax (since it is a single singnal).
[6:08] <Xark> fail*
[6:08] <Xark> dlynes: It would likely look "worse" than RCA. :)
[6:08] <dlynes> Xark, some of the really cheap tv's only have 75 ohm or 300 ohm connectors, and no composite
[6:09] <dlynes> Xark, would help for appealing to third world countries
[6:09] <Xark> dlynes: Yes, well some displays aren't meant for computers. :)
[6:09] <dlynes> Xark, *shurg* I used to hook my sinclair zx81 up to my $78 black and white zeller's special
[6:09] <valkaiser> Xark: Most computers from th3 80's used RF...
[6:09] <Xark> dlynes: RCA is pretty common (but no connector is universal). Also a <$5 RF modulator can convert RCA to RF (like old SNES/Atari systems).
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[6:10] <Xark> valkaiser: Yes, I was there (and it sucked). :)
[6:10] <valkaiser> Xark: Can't argue with you there :P
[6:10] * Xark modded an old 12" panasonic B&W TV to be a monitor with composite input in the 80s. :)
[6:11] <dlynes> Xark, yeah...I don't get it though...the old composite monitors hooked up to c64/vic20 had pictures that fit in them perfectly, but the rpi is not even close for the defaults
[6:12] <Xark> dlynes: What do you mean? Overscan? This is easily adjustable (and modern TVs show nearly the whole image - including mine, which is literally the cheapest 720p monitor at my local store [$65]).
[6:12] <valkaiser> Xark: I've been poking around with exactly that. I assume you just need to tap the signal right after the demodulator?
[6:13] <Xark> valkaiser: It was quite easy I recall, but I was pretty young and had some help (so I don't remember the details). :)
[6:13] <dlynes> Xark, I tried using some 15 yr old monitor that's got composite, s/video and component...it's a tube tv....only about 75% of the picture from the rpi shows up...the rest is outside the bounds of the monitor
[6:14] <valkaiser> dlynes: Yeah, just play with the overscan. Will fix it up nice.
[6:15] <dlynes> valkaiser, yeah...all I'm getting at is why do you need to play with the overscan? why doesn't it just work like everything else that uses composite?
[6:15] <Xark> dlynes: Yeah, that is expected on old TVs. There is an adjustment in config.txt for the overscan (which can be an issue on some HDMI TVs too). I had to "flash" my older Samsung (runs Linux apparently) to get it to have a "full scan" option (don't cut off any of 1920x1080 pixels).
[6:16] <dlynes> Xark, yeah...the hello_font demo seems to use the full hdmi screen, but the openbox window manager doesn't use the full screen
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[6:16] <dlynes> Xark, that's on the debian wheezy distro for rpi
[6:16] <Xark> dlynes: I could see it having more conservative defaults, but I would be more annoyed if I had huge black borders on nicer monitors (that couldn't be removed). :)
[6:16] <valkaiser> dlynes: I dunno. I use a hideous old tube tv for my Pi. It only needed minor overscan adjustment.
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[6:17] <dlynes> Xark, that's what I'm getting on my expensive $99 Acer HDMI monitor
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[6:17] <Xark> dlynes: What it needs is a proper "install" where it lets the user easily (and visually) adjust these things. :)
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[6:18] <valkaiser> dlynes: Perhaps you need to play with xrandr?
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[6:19] * Xark notes that also, for some applications (games, movies) you want the image to extend off the edges of the screen.
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[6:27] <mikey_w> ssh to openelectric user=root, password=openelec
[6:28] <mikey_w> apt-get is disabled by design.
[6:28] <dlynes> valkaiser, perhaps
[6:28] <dlynes> Xark, why would you want that?
[6:29] <dlynes> Xark, maintaining aspect ratio, while still giving letterbox?
[6:30] <Xark> dlynes: Well, you don't want any artificial borders to distract.
[6:30] <dlynes> ah
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[6:31] <Xark> dlynes: Even now Sony and MS require that you don't put "critical text" (like score or important info) outside of the center ~85% of the screen (but it was much worse with SDTV vs HDTV).
[6:32] <Xark> dlynes: Only on computers monitors are you reasonably assured of seeing all the pixels (and newer TVs often have a setting, but default to cutting off the edges).
[6:33] <Xark> dlynes: In fact, have you looked through the menus on your display for "picture size"? Might help your issues (vs adjusting the pi).
[6:35] <Xark> dlynes: Aspect ratio is always a problem. No good "cure" if your display doesn't match your content. Pick one A) distort B) cut-off edges C) add borders C is probably the least offensive (but I know a lot of people watch "fat head" TV because they hate the borders).
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[7:44] <Syliss> yay, raspbian is being updated to possible official
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[8:26] <martk100> I am thinking about having a go at Fedora. Is remix 17 available. I can't to find a download link.
[8:26] <Habbie> ohh
[8:26] <Habbie> my modmypi should be on its way
[8:27] <martk100> Habbie: What is modmypi?
[8:28] <Habbie> modmypi.com sell a plastic case
[8:28] <martk100> Habbie: I see. Which os are you using?
[8:29] <Habbie> none, currently
[8:29] <Habbie> and the lack of case is one reason
[8:29] <Habbie> lack of time is another
[8:30] <martk100> Habbie: Any idea where I can get Fedora remix 17?
[8:31] <Habbie> i don't know
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[8:32] <martk100> Habbie: Are you in the UK?
[8:32] <Habbie> no, .nl
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[8:34] <Syliss> you don't need a case to run it
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[8:34] <Habbie> Syliss, i'm well aware of that
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[8:35] <Habbie> in fact my pi is in http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1444 without a case :)
[8:35] <Habbie> but i want a case before i give it a semi-permanent spot
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[8:42] <Syliss> i have a plastic case from a deck of cards that i cut to fit the ports and sd card
[8:42] <Syliss> works great
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[8:43] <pmjdebru1jn> Habbie: http://www.pieterfloris.nl/shop/product.php?id_product=759 if you're looking for something cheap and easy
[8:44] <pmjdebru1jn> oh wait
[8:44] <pmjdebru1jn> I already ordered another one
[8:45] <Habbie> that one is cheap nor easy :)
[8:45] <Syliss> nice, but 15 euro isn't cheap
[8:45] * pmjdebru1jn didn't realize modmypi was already shipping
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[8:52] <Syliss> i do need to make a decent case for the lap dock mod. at least ill have a dremel tomorrow for my cables
[8:57] <Ben64> you have the lapdock?
[9:01] <Syliss> yep
[9:03] <Ben64> which model? how's it working out?
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[9:04] <Syliss> atrix, with a uk keyboard lol
[9:04] <Syliss> its decent. keyboard is a bit tiny
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[9:17] <gordonDrogon> morning!
[9:17] <Davespice> morning
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[9:19] <gordonDrogon> spot of breakfast I think though.
[9:19] <Syliss> i need to go to bed soon
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[9:22] <Syliss> Ben64 it works well and the screen is decent. need to test darkelec on it
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[9:32] <Syliss> Ben64 are you thinking of getting one?
[9:35] <slartsa> I've thought about converting my old laptop screens into monitors for raspi, anyone know a sollution cheaper than $26?
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[9:36] <Syliss> craigslist?
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[9:37] <booyaa> ning
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[9:40] * booyaa just discovered /window move left|right and has now reordered his irssi windows
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[9:44] <Adya> Hi guys:)
[9:44] <booyaa> lolo
[9:44] <Adya> Just got home and installed raspbian:)
[9:44] <Syliss> there will be a new one soon
[9:44] <Syliss> that will be faster
[9:45] <Adya> AMAZINGLY!!!!
[9:45] <megatog615> Hexxeh: just to clarify, do you maintain raspbian?
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[9:46] <Adya> Dear developers of raspbian! Please, include some kind of flash, or, html5
[9:46] <Adya> Ok?
[9:46] <Syliss> lol
[9:46] <megatog615> Adya: flash is unsupported
[9:46] <megatog615> Adya: html5 is an html standard
[9:47] <Adya> Flash I think is hard enough for pi, so, html5 is better
[9:47] <Syliss> i may over volt because of the new raspbian
[9:47] <Adya> Megatog, I know
[9:47] <Syliss> Adya: you mean you want a decent web browser
[9:47] <Syliss> not html5
[9:47] <megatog615> Adya: flash is also a browser plugin
[9:48] <Adya> I know!
[9:48] <megatog615> Adya: html5 is not a 'thing' basically
[9:48] <megatog615> you don't just 'add
[9:48] <megatog615> ' it
[9:49] <Adya> Ok, let midori support <video></video> and <audio></audio> tags
[9:49] <megatog615> Adya: then you need to get in contact with the midory developers
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[9:49] <megatog615> *midori
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[9:49] <booyaa> won't one of the bigger browsers like opera, firefox or chrome run on rpi?
[9:50] * booyaa has no need for this (uses his headless at the mo)
[9:50] <Civil|2> Adya: latest midori should support html5 video/audio. Or you can use QtWebkit browsers
[9:50] <megatog615> booyaa: doubt it, midori is intensive as it is
[9:50] <Syliss> booyaa: not really, people are working on trying to get chrome
[9:50] <Civil|2> bootc: opera won't, it's proprietary and closed source.
[9:50] <Syliss> to run
[9:50] <megatog615> booyaa: chromium os is a better bet since it is just a web browser on top of a linux distro
[9:52] <Syliss> if that comes out and is decent ill totally run it
[9:52] <booyaa> is chromium stable yet?
[9:52] * booyaa has heard about this project, i think it's the same bloke who got lapdock running?
[9:52] <booyaa> well one of the first to get it runnig with an rpi
[9:52] <megatog615> booyaa: the boot sequence works
[9:52] * Adya didn't:(
[9:52] <megatog615> booyaa: browser environment isn't running yet afaik
[9:53] <Syliss> lap dock is easy, doesn't need anything special
[9:53] <megatog615> booyaa: so it drops you to a cli
[9:53] <Adya> I asked it some time ago, but forgot. What good ssh app do you know?
[9:54] <Adya> *For android
[9:55] <Adya> ?
[9:56] <Syliss> try connectbot
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[9:57] <Adya> Thanks
[9:57] * gordonDrogon waves.
[9:57] <Adya> Hi:)
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[9:58] * gordonDrogon uses connectbot on android.
[9:58] * Adya will use it also:)
[9:58] <Adya> Gordondrogon, what is your smartphone model?
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> HTC Desire Z
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> the one with the flip-out keyboard.
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> I've never had a phone without a keyboard...
[10:00] <Adya> You mean qwerty keyboard?
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> Hm. looking at DIYing a laster cutter - looks "hard"....
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> Adya, yes.
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[10:01] <reider59> Morning campers
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> What Ho!
[10:01] <Ben64> you must mean smartphone
[10:01] <Syliss> sleepy time. bbl
[10:01] <reider59> << Just in a little while, annual breathing check and BP today
[10:01] <blueskies> "<ReggieUK> I know it was a while back (about 7 hours :D) but this is a reminder that we have zero tolerance to swearing/foul language on the channel :)
[10:01] <blueskies> <ReggieUK> [15:51] <+blueskies> s#$t i remember this i learnt it at school" haha (i guess at least its just a reminder)
[10:02] <Civil|2> gordonDrogon: there is "Hacker's keyboard" for android - full qwerty, for those devices that lacks normal :)
[10:02] <Adya> Ha, it's 11 am in Ukraine now:)
[10:02] <Ben64> Civil|2: touchscreen can never match a real keyboard
[10:02] <Civil|2> Ben64: it's hard to find device with qwerty keyboard nowadays :)
[10:02] <reider59> oops I just banned someone from my Photographic Forum, from the Ukraine
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> Civil|2, not as portable as phone with one built it :)
[10:03] <Ben64> i know... :(
[10:03] <Adya> Ben, what about VERY BIG TOUCHSCREEN?
[10:03] <reider59> and the IP Range too
[10:03] <Ben64> i have the droid4
[10:03] <Civil|2> gordonDrogon: it's an application that gives full qwerty keyboard :)
[10:03] <Ben64> went from droid3 to droid4... they removed many keys
[10:03] <gordonDrogon> Civil|2, better than the on-screen one?
[10:04] <reider59> Mine is a San Francisco II running ver 7 of the Fish n Chips ROM lol, maybe 8 soon
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[10:04] <gordonDrogon> well if I ever buy a phone without a hardware keyboard (highly unlikely), I'll look it up...
[10:04] <Civil|2> gordonDrogon: it's just a full qwerty keyboard for android :) it's better then default, becouse it have arrows, tab/ctrl/alt, F#
[10:04] <Adya> I saw touchscreen that can "grow" buttons was developed
[10:04] <Ben64> http://www.dvd-ppt-slideshow.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/motorola-droid-3-keyboard.jpg
[10:04] <Ben64> http://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/motorola-droid4-6.jpg
[10:04] <reider59> sype is absolutely the dogs bits
[10:05] <reider59> *Swype
[10:05] <booyaa> Adya: haptic feedback
[10:05] <Adya> In the news
[10:05] <Ben64> notice how they removed ~ \ | {} <> and others
[10:05] <Civil|2> reider59: it's hard to work in terminal without arrows :)
[10:05] <Civil|2> and without control
[10:05] <Ben64> i edited the keyboard layout files on the D4 to re-add that functionality
[10:05] <reider59> That`s true
[10:05] <Ben64> I gotta have my \ and | for ssh'ing
[10:07] <reider59> Msons step sister lost her phone and he traced it with one of those GPS programs then took the Police there. they were gobsmacked but got the phone back.
[10:07] <reider59> *My sons
[10:07] <Adya> Jelly bean won't support flash....
[10:07] <Adya> Sadly...
[10:07] <Ben64> you mean flash won't support jelly bean
[10:07] <Adya> Yep:)
[10:07] <Ben64> don't blame android, blame adobe
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[10:08] <Adya> Now, when with Jquery you can develop what you want, flash will die...
[10:09] <reider59> He`d set it to auto report its location so when the thief turned it on Bingo! got him and his/her location
[10:10] <reider59> I look at mine and can see where my son is working that day, even though he lives 100 miles away
[10:10] * Adya hates iPhones, iOses and all other iSh~~t:)
[10:11] <booyaa> heh
[10:11] <Ben64> Adya: same
[10:11] <booyaa> why not just be excited by the technology you love rather than hate the other one
[10:11] <booyaa> otherwise it's just my x is better than your y
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[10:12] <Adya> I'm excited by Android!
[10:12] <booyaa> great so be excited about it
[10:12] <reider59> To be honest I always always really 100% wanted an iPhone. I struggled to get this Android phone for now, though it was only ?100. But with all that it has on it I can honestly say it`s the best phone ever and I no longer want an iPhone, even if I won the lottery!
[10:12] <reider59> It`s as good as or maybe better than an iPhone
[10:13] <Adya> Yep:)
[10:13] <Gadgetoid> Bletch??? Android!
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[10:13] <Ben64> everyone thinks iphone is the bee's knees
[10:13] <Ben64> its really just a mediocre smartphone
[10:13] <booyaa> geesh
[10:14] <booyaa> go on let it all out
[10:14] <Gadgetoid> Ahhh, fandroids :D
[10:14] <booyaa> hahah
[10:14] <reider59> I had a small channel on FreeNode and even set the phone up as a room bot to keep it open. Then swapped to the lappy when I went out. Back to the phone when I got back in.
[10:14] <booyaa> never heard that one before Gadgetoid may start using that ;)
[10:14] <Ben64> don't be mad cause you bought into the iphone craze
[10:14] <Gadgetoid> I have several Android phones...
[10:14] <booyaa> Ben64: i'm not bro ;)
[10:14] <Gadgetoid> And a Maemo phone
[10:15] <Ben64> i'm not your bro, guy
[10:15] <reider59> The iPhone plays its part just like the Mac and PC, I have both lol
[10:15] <Ben64> mac is silly too
[10:15] <Ben64> mac = pc + osx
[10:15] <Ben64> which somehow is worth 3x as much?
[10:15] <reider59> Wouldn`t part with my pre Intel Mac Mini, Front Row is brilliant on it
[10:15] <booyaa> go on ben64 say how much yuo hate the lock in. and how if linux/oss was gievn a chance it could turn the designer world on fire
[10:16] <Slippern> im not paying $1600 for a mac...
[10:16] <reider59> I paid ?500 for mine
[10:16] <Adya> Mac is silly, windows either, android and gentoo 4ever!;)
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> I suppose you could say I was a Nokia fan until the N900 - which I really liked, but the software just didn't deliver.
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> despite it running Debian!
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[10:16] <reider59> Son was a Nokia fanboy
[10:16] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: similar was very fond of my n95
[10:16] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Yeah, the N900 marks the point where Nokia lost their way
[10:16] <Ben64> reider59: ?500 is a lot still
[10:16] <booyaa> buggy as hell but in its day it was a fairly good phone
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[10:17] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I still love it, though, and the N810
[10:17] <reider59> Now he`s 100% into Android
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> I had all the "communicator" series phones from Nokia.
[10:17] * booyaa always wanted a communicator :D
[10:17] <reider59> Maybe so but then at the time a PC could set you back ?1000+
[10:17] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Nice! I always liked those
[10:17] <Ben64> I had a crappy winmo phone, then droid2, droid3, droid4
[10:17] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I actually charged up my old N770 recently... tried to use it, then gave up again...
[10:17] <Adya> I had nokia 5130
[10:18] <reider59> It`s only the last 2-3 years prices have dropped
[10:18] <booyaa> got a sharp zaurus which was actually fun (had the pc card wifi adapter for it)
[10:18] <Adya> I used it for 3 years
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> so when the N900 broke (not the usb port!) it was a touch choice, but wifey had an HTC desire, so I went for the Desire Z.
[10:18] <Ben64> reider59: you could always get a computer for a good price
[10:18] <Adya> I had to flash it every year:)
[10:18] <Gadgetoid> I don't think I could ever stomach an Android as a primary phone, but it's handy when you want a phone you can take underwater
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> Toying with reflashin the DZ with Cyanogen now.
[10:19] <Gadgetoid> "HELLLO! YES I'm at the bottom of the swimming pool! No??? it's wet!"
[10:19] <Ben64> Gadgetoid: whats wrong with android? your name ends in oid you know
[10:19] <reider59> I could because I built them. But treating like for like I didn`t build Macs. So purchased Mac price against purchased PC price that`s how it ended up then. Only now the PC prices have ropped the smaller Mac market hasn`t.
[10:19] <reider59> *dropped
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[10:20] <Ben64> pc prices for equivalent hardware have always been 30-50% the price of Mac
[10:21] <Gadgetoid> I'll buy a windows/linux laptop when hell freezes over :D
[10:21] <Ben64> at least back in the PPC days Apple could try to say they were better
[10:21] <Ben64> but now it is the same hardware
[10:21] <reider59> Personally I don`t think ?500 then was a bad deal, I have the paperwork somewhere. It was a few years back before the Intel Processors were used, it`s still a Motorola chip inside.
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[10:22] <reider59> and a sort of glass loooking kb and mouse
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[10:22] <Gadgetoid> OSX has two major benefits that no sane person can argue; 1) It's not Windows. 2) It runs Adobe Creative Suite natively
[10:22] <Ben64> I like #1
[10:22] <reider59> I got the Apple Firewire Camera too. Expensive but good quality
[10:22] <Gadgetoid> The 1 pretty much clinches it, since Linux on the desktop is like smooshing your face into a cold turd and trying to inhale
[10:23] <Ben64> not really
[10:23] <drazyl> Gadgetoid rubbish
[10:23] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: ahahaha
[10:23] <drazyl> been using a Linux desktop since 1999
[10:23] <booyaa> that will totally bring on the hat
[10:23] * booyaa gets intot he fox hole
[10:23] <reider59> I dual booted my lappy with Linux, not the first time
[10:23] <Ben64> I've been using Linux exclusively on desktop since 2000
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[10:23] <drazyl> good man
[10:24] <reider59> I have 7-8 PC`1s here too
[10:24] <Ben64> even gaming
[10:24] <reider59> *PC`s
[10:24] <Ben64> and soon, native steam
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[10:24] <drazyl> :)
[10:24] <reider59> PCs` even
[10:24] <Gadgetoid> Haha, knocking on linux ignites a flame that makes the olympic torch look like a candle :D
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[10:24] <drazyl> no, no flame, just pointing out that some of us have been using it for years without problems
[10:25] <Gadgetoid> I've been using it longer, I guess I just prefer getting work done
[10:25] <Ben64> it lets me accomplish two very important goals
[10:25] <booyaa> trying to remember when slackware was still on 9 3.5" disks
[10:25] <booyaa> i think that's still 94/95?
[10:25] <Ben64> 1) No Windows 2) Can run it on anything
[10:25] <drazyl> Gadgetoid now that is a flame
[10:25] <Ben64> drazyl: he's just mad
[10:25] <Gadgetoid> drazyl: :D mu ha ha!
[10:25] <reider59> << Still got DOS 6.2, Win 3.1, Win 3.11, Win 95 , Win 98 R1 and R2, XP, Running on Vista and the lappy is dual boot Win 7 and Linux
[10:26] <Ben64> we get to have a sweet free OS
[10:26] <reider59> then the Mac Mini
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[10:26] <reider59> <<< hate Win 7
[10:26] <reider59> son loves it
[10:26] <drazyl> Gedgetoid I have been using Linux as a desktop in a professional capacity for 13+ years - been using Linux since, urrr, 1992/3 or so
[10:26] <dwatkins> I hate Windows 8
[10:26] <booyaa> and fragmented distro too
[10:26] <Gadgetoid> I use linux extensively on servers, it's a server OS. I'd no more like to run it on a desktop than I would Windows Server??? I don't even run GUIs on my linux VMs cos they're all hideous
[10:26] <Ben64> i hate mac mini
[10:26] <drazyl> so "prefer getting work done" doesn't cut it
[10:26] <Ben64> had to use like 20 razor blades to replace the RAM
[10:26] <booyaa> don't forget that's one of the joys of linux/linux desktop/android more choice
[10:26] <reider59> Everyone hates on Vista and I tamed it and love it
[10:27] <booyaa> fragmention and dillution of the killer prod
[10:27] <dwatkins> Vista with patches is pretty much Windows 7.
[10:27] <Ben64> people are always amazed how I can control my servers and desktop from my android phone
[10:27] <reider59> Took that stupid UAC crud off for starters
[10:27] <Ben64> ssh is so powerful
[10:27] <frankivo> ssh *O*
[10:27] <booyaa> reider59:you're a better man than me, win7 was the first windows os (after xp) that made me feel funny
[10:27] <booyaa> like i might actually use it again
[10:28] <dwatkins> Ben64: there's a British Gas app you can use with icons to control your central heating, I'd like to implement some aspects of what I use ssh for in something like that
[10:28] <Gadgetoid> Yes, the iPhone doesn't have SSH or VNC??? oh??? wait...
[10:28] <booyaa> lololol
[10:28] <dwatkins> ssh is great if you have a keyboard
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[10:28] * booyaa seems to get on fine
[10:28] <Ben64> Gadgetoid: not talking about clients
[10:28] <reider59> I best get ready, missed the train so it`s a bus and twice the price :-(
[10:29] <reider59> later
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[10:29] <Ben64> and now my phone has 4MB/s download
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[10:29] <Ben64> I could get anything anywhere
[10:30] <booyaa|pi> yup ssh is fairly usable from this iphone
[10:30] <booyaa|pi> the quick brown fox jumpe over the lazy dog
[10:30] <Ben64> ok, then fire up your ssh server on the iphone
[10:30] <Ben64> oh wait...
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> I've had a Unix desktop since about 1988/89... and before that it was unix via serial terminal...
[10:30] <booyaa> lol why?
[10:31] <Ben64> ssh server provides extra goodies
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> I only spent a year once working in a Win environment - writing c++. Hated it.
[10:31] <Gadgetoid> I have an SSH server on my iPhone and iPad???
[10:31] <booyaa> like what? shell access to my phone?
[10:31] <frankivo> yes
[10:31] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: SFTP ftw :D
[10:32] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: then you can FTP your rom collections straight onto the phone
[10:32] <booyaa> i have no need for this, i barely use my phone as a phone it most tweet and play games
[10:32] <Gadgetoid> And then use one of these: http://www.icontrolpad.com/
[10:32] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: ah this is true, i still have to side load via usb
[10:32] * booyaa wants a icade for his ipad
[10:32] <booyaa> is that the bluetooth gamepad?
[10:32] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: I use a Retrode with my iPad
[10:32] * booyaa thinks he may have seen it
[10:33] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: did you get mame when it briefly snuck onto the appstore?
[10:33] <Gadgetoid> And SNES or SMD controllers
[10:33] <Ben64> cheap mode - wiimote and duct tape
[10:33] <drazyl> looks a bit cheap for the money, or is it just a bad picture
[10:33] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: sweet
[10:33] <Gadgetoid> I talked with Matthias, the guy behind the Retrode, and had him add in iCade emulation
[10:33] <booyaa> actually that's one of my projects this weekend to hook up the ps2 controller (will be cheating have a usb adapter)
[10:34] <Gadgetoid> I really need to get 'round to making the iControlPad work with the Pi
[10:34] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: i really love the idea of that retrode
[10:35] <booyaa> specially being able to play your saves
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[10:36] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: Yeah, it's an awesome nostalgia device??? I don't have the original consoles anymore, and wouldn't want to suffer through their unscaled graphics on a modern TV
[10:36] <booyaa> heh would allow me to start collecting carts again :D
[10:36] <booyaa> missus would be over the mooon about that :P
[10:36] <Gadgetoid> Retrode + Pi in the same casing would be amazing
[10:37] <booyaa> call it the peacebox: finally sega/nintendo together at last
[10:37] <Gadgetoid> I'd be hard pushed to pick between SNES/NES and MD/SMD
[10:37] <Gadgetoid> I don't do console wars, I just get 'em all
[10:38] <Gadgetoid> Lufia VS Sonic??? *fight*
[10:38] <booyaa> :D
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[10:40] <gordonDrogon> Hm. ebay # 370534462912 .... might be easier to buy that then hack it to make a bigger bed...
[10:40] * booyaa is wondering how long before someone rigs up a 8bit emulator to listen for data through soundcard and then uses a tap deck
[10:40] <cjbaird> Sure is Generation Y in here. :P
[10:40] * booyaa has seen speccy speed load a game from a sample
[10:40] <booyaa> this is for a pi
[10:40] <booyaa> btw
[10:42] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: wish I still had my C64 tape deck and tapes, I'd try that!
[10:42] <Adya> Did you heard about nexus 7?
[10:42] * drazyl adjusts the volume control to 90% and the tone to 75% and presses play
[10:43] <Adya> $199...
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[10:44] <Civil|2> Adya: there is odroid-X - devboard with exynos4412 (same as sgs3) for 129$ :)
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> I don't understand some ebay sellers - the person selling that laser cutter has 25 pages of other stuff - I've no idea how they manage it, and the range of stuff they're selling is just bizarre - a lot of it is nail/teeth type jewelery, then there's laser cutters, reflow soldering ovens and some other equally odd stuff like IR welders... Weird!
[10:45] <drazyl> drop ship of whatever their chinese supplier has?
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> A friend of mine refurbishes spekkys - I think he has a library of digitised tapes which he plays into it.
[10:45] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: You can get applications to manage ebay listings
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I think he's have to- 25 pages of 50 items...
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> but the range is just weird.
[10:46] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: In fact, ebay has an API so you can plug stock management systems or even e-commerce websites into it
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> I suspect it's all legit too, but I bet these are the sort of people the HMRC are looking more closely at now...
[10:46] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I think the lesson is; sell whatever sells! no reason to be specialist if you don't need to store stuff
[10:46] <nid0> the management is probably also not that hard if you're selling consistent but presumably fairly low-volume items like laser cutters
[10:47] <Gadgetoid> Probably mostly drop shipped with very minimal overheads and maximal tax evasion
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yea, I know - I have a client who's developed some.. I have one website that sucks in more data than it sends out as it's scanning ebay and amazon...
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> that client sells most stuf via ebay and amazon, but they have a "token" ecommerce site too - but the code checks amazing uk, .fr and .de for prices of competitors and does the same on ebay. and adjusts their own shops prices accordingly.
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit bonkers and I was really surprised when I saw the traffic graphs!
[10:48] <nid0> I do however like the way the seller of that cutter has just ripped off a 2 year warranty logo from some totally random other merchant
[10:49] <nid0> and left their name on the logo.
[10:49] * Adya is going down for 5 minutes
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[10:49] <gordonDrogon> nid0, :) I have seen the same tube elsewhere for ?175 too.
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> so after considering the hardware, PSU, etc. it's probably going to be easier to buy an existing unit and hack it for my own needs - ie. make it wider.
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> probably rip-out the controller board too and make my own, but keep the steppers, etc.
[10:51] <Gadgetoid> Anyone got any experience setting up a hackerspace, getting funding, sponsorship??? whatever it is you need to do?
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> I think my idea last night of re-cycling the XY plotter I have is a bit ambitious...
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, not directly, but there is one in Exeter, but also a new one in Penzance that seems to be really fun - if only I wasn't 2 hours away - let me lookup the details..
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[10:52] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, have a look at http://www.openshed.org/ - and email them - tell them I sent you :)
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> they're looking to run a cybercafe to help boost funds.
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> and I think they might just succeede as a local cafe just shut down that was well-liked by the people who live near it from what I gather.
[10:54] <drazyl> superb idea
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> I've love to start one here, but it's ruralistan and the apathy level for traven in Devon is high, despite me being almost exactly halfway between Plymouth and Exeter.
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> travel*
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[10:56] <Gadgetoid> I'm sure there's a lot of red tape, expense and difficulty in getting a permanent home for a hackerspace, but our company is moving into a new building which we will have all to ourselves, and I hear it has a sizable basement
[10:57] <drazyl> insurance and liability might be an issue
[10:57] <Gadgetoid> Yeah, that would be the biggie I suspect
[10:57] * booyaa is a proud member of the #london-hack-space
[10:57] <Gadgetoid> specially if it involves machinery of any kind
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> I don't think that's too bad really - it's nothing new and insewerants companies do this all the time.
[10:58] <booyaa> what we need for the rural areas is a travel hackspace like the semi truck in knightrider
[10:58] <booyaa> :D
[10:58] <Gadgetoid> yay, Discworld reference
[10:58] <nid0> I have a spare garage in costessey, kinda small for a hackerspace though :>
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, Ah, I was looking at the guide to their laser cutter earlier :)
[10:58] <drazyl> no, but the existing insurer may not want to extend cover to random third parties etc.
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[10:58] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: good stuff
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, after a mad idea that I could make my own laser cutter last night...
[11:00] <booyaa> our has given us a lot of grief, it was a cheapo one though. also doesn't help that it's one of the most popular bits of kit in the space
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, I bet it is... so it's probably abused a little which won't help..
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[11:11] <markitoxs> Does anyone know if any of the distros available ships with udlfb module?
[11:11] <markitoxs> im trying to get a displaylink usb adapter to work
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[11:16] <Gadgetoid> markitoxs: yikes, good luck! And let me know how it goes
[11:16] <markitoxs> Gadgetoid, :)
[11:16] <Gadgetoid> I don't think the Pi has the grunt for displaylink, I use one all the time to drive a third display and it's.. taxing
[11:16] <markitoxs> Gadgetoid, the module is usually available on the kernel directly, but the ones ive tried from the site dont include him
[11:17] <Gadgetoid> Yeah it wouldn't be something most people would bother compiling in
[11:17] <markitoxs> i guess the easiest option is to recompile the kernel
[11:17] <markitoxs> and include it
[11:18] <Gadgetoid> Wouldn't call it the easiest, so much as the only option!
[11:19] <mjr> Well. You can get the corresponding source to your current kernel, configure it similarly except scratch all the modules besides the displaylink one and compile that
[11:23] <markitoxs> what do you suggest make menuconfig or make nconfig?
[11:23] <markitoxs> not sure what the diffference is
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[11:28] <markitoxs> how long does it usually take to compile the kernelon the pi, with standard setup, just out of curiosity?
[11:29] <markitoxs> (I bet I will get that memory split issue ive read on the forums)
[11:30] <Draylor> id guess that if you have to ask then you havent the patience for it :p
[11:33] <kadamski> markitoxs: I started compilation at 00:00 and when I woke up to work about 06:00 it was done
[11:34] <kadamski> markitoxs: but I don't think it took less than 5-6h
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[11:38] <kadamski> markitoxs: nconfig is never one, so one could expect that it's better than menuconfig but I was using menuconfig for 13 years and just used to it
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[11:42] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, our MD sits on the DCI committee
[11:43] <Gadgetoid> Trying to generate more creative students in East Anglia and keep them here
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[11:52] <markitoxs> Draylor, hahahahah, so true
[11:52] <markitoxs> kadamski, will see, thanks, its like me refusing to use aptitude i guess
[11:54] <markitoxs> sometimes you are just used to somethings
[11:57] <nid0> markitoxs: 5-6 hours is about the right ballpark, i've done several recompiles that come in at just under 4 hours, with the pi running at 800mhz
[11:57] <nid0> just under 5 hours*
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[11:58] <SpeedEvil> -j 3 may make the Pi faster
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> to complle the kernel
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> - it's about 30% improvement on my phone IIRC
[11:59] <markitoxs> maybe you should try -j 9 :D
[11:59] <markitoxs> it might make it 90 % faster
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> -j9 was negative
[11:59] <markitoxs> hahah
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> It went downhill after 4 IIRC
[11:59] <markitoxs> SpeedEvil, just to make sure, I have absolutely no idea what the flag -j does
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> - n900 - so a broadly similar class of CPU
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> markitoxs: It makes it run multiple jobs in parallle
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[12:04] <M0RBD> ..
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> the -j flage to make tells it how many parallel compile threads to run.
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> typically on a single processor like the pi, specifying -j will make it go slower,
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> but on a multi processor CPU it's typical to use -jN where N is the number of processoes + 1.
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> The exception can be if IO is really slow
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> you want to ensure that IO is happening all the time - ratehr than in bursts then
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> yea, I found that the Pi was almost 100% cpu bound when compiling bigger programs.
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[12:06] <SpeedEvil> I was surprised when I tested -j n - but it made a significant difference on the n900.
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> - with / on SD
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> comping on the n900 itself?
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> let me do a quick test on the pi:
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> takes about 1.5 minutes to compile my basic...
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> It may vary with SD make, I guess too
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> sure - I suspect the n900 was optimised from the start too...
[12:07] <SpeedEvil> Umm - what?
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> optimised for SD access.
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> 95.430u 5.450s 1:41.94 98.9% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w
[12:08] <SpeedEvil> Well - I was getting ~12M read
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> that's without a -j
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> trying with -j2 now.
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I'm sure compile time used to be 80s wonder what's changed...
[12:10] <M0RBD> gordonDrogon: A week compiling GCC on a DecStation 3100...
[12:10] <M0RBD> :D
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> M0RBD, them were the days :)
[12:10] <M0RBD> Indeed
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> 97.550u 4.910s 1:43.59 98.9% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> that's with -j2 - marginally longer.
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> trying -j4 ...
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> It may be more applicable to relatively large code blocks like in the kernel
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> yes - I saw compile times of over 1 minute for some files there.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> gcc was getting up to about 60MB for the kernel - it's barely getting over 20MB for the files in my BASIC.
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> 97.910u 4.680s 1:45.21 97.5% 0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> for -j4
[12:13] <markitoxs> i demand a graph comparison that correlates j$i and time
[12:13] <SpeedEvil> I would redo the test on my n900, biut I can't be arsed.
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> so for that particular application - 39 files - it would seem that -j1 is the best...
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> ;-)
[12:14] <cjbaird> M0RBD: It took my Mac LCIII a week to compile Gimp. :)
[12:14] * gordonDrogon kills the pi with make -j ...
[12:15] <M0RBD> cjbaird: haha yeah I dig that
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> 100MB in swap...
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> all the cc1's in D state...
[12:16] <M0RBD> cjbaird: did it take a day to start it :D
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> load avg. 28
[12:17] <Gadgetoid> Anyone from Norwich about?
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> and it's done: 102.870u 11.280s 2:06.95 89.9% 0+0k 0+0io 2871pf+0w
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> on my desktop - time make -j takes 5 seconds...
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> so there you go. just goes to show.
[12:19] <kadamski> using pararel compilation on pi may degrade performance because pi has not too much memory
[12:19] <kadamski> remember that each gcc process takes memory which means less memory for caches
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[12:20] <M0RBD> cjbaird: jokes a side... I had a Quadra 700, everything worked OK besides the network card which was a bit buggy.. In both Linux and NetBSD.
[12:22] <SpeedEvil> kadamski: n900 has the same amount of RAM (admittedly, all 256M are available)
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> kadamski: Once you start getting into swap on the SD - things are over.
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> But simple multiple computation processes that do not get into swap may improve cpu utilisation, as they spread out the IO.
[12:24] <kadamski> sure, but only when your CPU is idle
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> umm - what?
[12:25] <kadamski> in my case, even using -j1 (default) i had 0% idle for all the time
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> In a compile, you have idle time.
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> When make, link, ... are reading/writing to the disk
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> It's not all CPU
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> In some cases, with a slow SD - this may make a lot of difference.
[12:26] <kadamski> processed waiting for IO don't consume CPU, right ?
[12:26] <kadamski> processes*
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> This may be complicated if the IO on the pi uses lots of CPU
[12:27] <SpeedEvil> - I haven't measured that
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> right. lets get my boards ready for cambridge tomorow. anyone got any ides what I can do on an ATmega connected to a Pi that has GPIO LEDs, buttons and a motor driver... ?
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> I think i'll take my lego fan if I can carry it..
[12:27] <cjbaird> M0RBD: NetBSD is what was running on the LCIII, too.
[12:28] <kadamski> SpeedEvil: well, i mean generally - if you wait for IO to happen, you don't use CPU so your CPU is idle in at least couple %
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> kadamski: In general, yes
[12:28] <kadamski> then, antother process can use this CPU
[12:28] <M0RBD> cjbaird: those where days... NetBSD ran practially on everything including a wending machine we had in uni :P
[12:28] <kadamski> but if you already have 100% utilization with only one process, how can having more of them make performance better ?
[12:28] <SpeedEvil> kadamski: Which is why -j helps - in the case of a compile without -j - there is - generally - no other process
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> kadamski: At least on the n900, I found it to be consistently 10% or so faster.
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> I did not investigate this in detail - it may well vary significantly with SD type
[12:30] <kadamski> yes, exactly, if you're waiting for IO often, you will get some idle with one process
[12:30] <kadamski> but I was just saying that in my case on Rpi, i had 0% idle all the time while compiling so not much use of multiple processes
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> It may count only truly idle, not waiting for IO
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> Depending on tool
[12:31] <kadamski> top shows io as a seperate value
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[12:32] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Just walk 'round the venue randomly shouting WIRINGPI! at the top of your lungs
[12:32] <SpeedEvil> I don't trust top much - it quotes RSS!
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Hehe... Might make something that says on the screen for every program: Powered by wiringPi then :)
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> too late to get new business cards made...
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> wonder if I still have some of those home-made blanks I used to use...
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> print them on the laser printer and off I go :)
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[12:36] <kadamski> SpeedEvil: anyway to sum this up, I belive using -j2 on Rpi at least won't heart to much as long as you don't get to low memory situation
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[12:49] <booyaa> gah no frotz on arch?
[12:49] <booyaa> how else can i get my zork on?
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> install debian - it's a standard package there..
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> Hm. damn you. made my want to dig-out my lost treasures pack now...
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:54] <MrZYX> booyaa: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=974 ?
[12:56] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: yeah isaw the rpi zork blog post, working my way through the distros
[12:56] <booyaa> will prolly give raspbian a go next
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[13:05] <angs> my board has just arrived, I am reading the warnings for the powering it. how can I understand if my board is model A or model B?
[13:05] <booyaa> it'll be a model b
[13:06] <booyaa> model a aren't available yet
[13:06] <angs> so 5V @1A power supply is fine to power the board, right?
[13:06] <MrZYX> yep
[13:06] <angs> thank you
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[13:15] <muep> angs: 5 V, 1 A supply would be fine for both A and B models
[13:16] <alyosha_sql> anyone knows what about model C & D ? i think i saw somewhere sometime about thoes two extra models
[13:16] <alyosha_sql> anyone have any info?
[13:17] <RITRedbeard> yeah they're core i5 ULVs
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[13:32] <friggle> gordonDrogon: have you considered LGPL rather than GPL?
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[13:37] <Habbie> alyosha_sql, i have seen absolutely nothing about those
[13:37] <alyosha_sql> Habbie hmm i think i saw onetime on website that they plan on doing 2 models that are more powerful
[13:37] <alyosha_sql> but i realy don't know where and when i saw this
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[13:39] <Gadgetoid> Youch, RS-Online now on 12 weeks expected delivery time
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[13:53] <booyaa> placed my order on the 4th of july
[13:54] <booyaa> end of septemberish it is
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[13:58] <Arch-MBP> alyosha_sql: where did yuou read about those? as far as i know those arent even more than rumors at this point
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[14:00] <drazyl> unless it has changed recently there is no such thing as C or D planned
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[14:00] <drazyl> there have been plenty of forum posts by people saying "you should add x" or "next version should have y", but nothing to do with the Foundation
[14:01] <drazyl> as I understand it the hardware choice will remain static for several years
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[14:02] <alyosha_sql> Arch-MBP i sow it somewhere but i realy can not remmeber where...there was not any spec or something...only that they are going to make 2 extra models more powerfull
[14:02] <alyosha_sql> but i don't beleve they will
[14:02] <Arch-MBP> that would raise the cost
[14:03] <Arch-MBP> i just read about a new A9 dev board thats 129
[14:03] <drazyl> not even that, extra models introduce compatability issues which are not wanted
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[14:04] <SpeedEvil> drazyl: At some points, RAM gets more expensive for the same capacity.
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> Of course - that raises the issue if 1G will ever be available in that footprint.
[14:04] <drazyl> true, but only after it has moved from being mainstream, and the PoP isn't mainstream (yet?)
[14:04] <ReggieUK> hi SpeedEvil
[14:04] <ReggieUK> which footprint?
[14:04] <drazyl> PoP
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> drazyl: Umm - no.
[14:04] <ReggieUK> piPoP
[14:05] <drazyl> umm no?
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> drazyl: 256M PoP memories are trailing edge.
[14:06] <ReggieUK> is it actually a pop chip or just a regular BGA ?
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> It's actually POP
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure if any POP RAM is standard format
[14:06] <ReggieUK> that's a shame
[14:07] <ReggieUK> as it looks suspiciously like laptop ram chips
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> For example, the one on the OMAP3630 has balls around the edge in 2-ball border
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> And none in the middle.
[14:07] <drazyl> "There is a 512Mbyte PoP available which is compatible with the Raspberry-Pi. It is rather new so I expect the price to be high for a while"
[14:07] <ReggieUK> that's that idea out of the window then :D
[14:08] <ReggieUK> what is their definition of 'high' price though?
[14:08] <drazyl> so, if the 256mb is training edge, and the 512mb is too new.... where does that leave it :)
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> err
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> I meant 128
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> sorry - I'm not awake
[14:09] <drazyl> I think the figure touted was "would double the price of the board" or something
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> Availability is probably problematic for the 128M part.
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[14:10] <drazyl> the price of the 256 was basically the same as the 128 in bulk
[14:11] <drazyl> but as an edumacational tool, having to worry about memory usage is not a bad idea
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[14:12] <Mr_Sheesh> Could just put an "Eat 128MB RAM" app on the distribs :)
[14:13] <drazyl> no, windows is not available for it
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[14:14] <Gadgetoid> If you've got 128MB ram and are worrying about memory usage, you're doing it wrong :D
[14:14] <drazyl> or running firefox
[14:14] <Gadgetoid> Ayooo!
[14:14] <Gadgetoid> Running firefox is the *definition* of "doing it wrong"
[14:14] <drazyl> good point
[14:17] <Mr_Sheesh> I have done a lot of software testing, trust me, I've written "eat RAM" apps more than once. And "allocate so many clusters" apps etc. - Windows eats FAR more than 128MB RAM though, drazyl, at first I didn't get your joke because of that LOL
[14:20] <zgreg> linux memory management is also quite strange, though
[14:20] <zgreg> there's no point to checking the return value of malloc, since memory is not allocated at that point
[14:21] <zgreg> linux by default overcommits memory, and only allocates memory the first time it is accessed
[14:21] <Habbie> that doesn't mean there's no point in checking
[14:22] <zgreg> well, it basically only returns NULL if you run out of address space. good luck with that on a 64 bit OS :)
[14:22] <Mr_Sheesh> When Alpha testing software, you really want to KNOW what the app does when the HDD gets full (snicker), or it runs out of RAM, or (for windows) every other cluster on the HDD is already allocated so you have fragmentation from hell, etc. :)
[14:22] <zgreg> in any case, it severly limits the usefulness of checking for allocation failure
[14:22] <Mr_Sheesh> (I broke the HECK out of the app we were testing, they sorta grumbled :))
[14:24] <kadamski> Gadgetoid: running firefox may not be good idea but running some web browser is.. AFAIK Rpi is suposed to be the only computer the kid work with (i mean, not like a microctroler next to your laptop) and access to Web for programming documentation/tutorials/examples is crucial IMO
[14:26] <Arch-MBP> kadamski: midori/netsurfer.....almost all of the images come with those
[14:26] <Arch-MBP> no need to run ff
[14:28] <kadamski> yes, i know, that's what I said
[14:28] <kadamski> but still, midori/netsurf can take dozens MB of memory
[14:30] <ReggieUK> raspbian seems to do ok with midori from teh video I saw
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[14:31] <ReggieUK> but the amount of ram they chew through, is that all down to the app or the web content provider?
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[14:32] <kadamski> it's both
[14:33] <cjbaird> Anyone have the wisdom on compiling gcc with hardfloat? ./configure'ing with the "arm-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi" triplet fails at the second stage because of things being built with different VFP settings/softfloats along the way..
[14:33] <kadamski> and AFAIK there's currently nothing in midori that could limit amount of RAM used.. so open too many tabs or to havy site and your 128MB of RAM is filled with just a web browser
[14:34] <ReggieUK> that's just poor planning by the user then really
[14:34] <ReggieUK> my pc will run low on ram if I run too many tabs
[14:36] <kadamski> yes, but there's big difference between too many tabs on PC and on Pi
[14:36] <kadamski> but i agree that it has some educational value to teach kids that RAM is not unlimited and show them how it fills when you open to many things etc
[14:40] <kadamski> but still, when browsing I can get RAM filled quite easly with with 224MB of it on Rpi.. so having only 128MB (that would need to be splited with GPU too, so it would leave only 96MB) would be much bigger problem
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[14:41] <drazyl> browsing teh interweb is not teaching kids to program though
[14:42] <drazyl> particularly if you are talking about a model a which has no connection
[14:42] <ReggieUK> but the fact that it can open one page is all that's needed
[14:43] <Gadgetoid> People seem to forget that the "educational" version of the Pi doesn't even have an ethernet port, where's this internet coming from!?
[14:43] <ReggieUK> it might make it easier to do stuff with a few tabs open but it's not essential to being able to surf the web
[14:43] <ReggieUK> the wireless dongle attached to a hub like people do on a model B at the moment?
[14:44] <ReggieUK> or usb to ethernet adapter
[14:44] <Dagger2> Gadgetoid: the ether
[14:44] <Mr_Sheesh> If you cannot web surf at all, looking up info to help you program is tough though
[14:44] <Gadgetoid> Where are the wifi dongles and hubs coming from if people don't even have computers!?
[14:44] <Dagger2> or, yes, just a discrete USB Ethernet interface
[14:44] <ReggieUK> and is the edu version just model A?
[14:44] <ReggieUK> will that be all that's available to them?
[14:44] <Gadgetoid> I suspect they'll be highly restricted by budget
[14:44] <drazyl> today I will be mostly teaching the children through a medium known as "books"
[14:44] <cjbaird> It's a pity that the Galeon-1.2 browser was 'depreciated' by external factors.. It was a gtk1 browser that you could use all day on a 64MB machine.
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[14:45] <Gadgetoid> drazyl: Hahaha, how do these books update with new versions of the language?
[14:45] <ReggieUK> drazyl, what is this heresy you speak of
[14:45] <drazyl> Gadgetoid - no, do educational syllabuses update with every point release of php?
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[14:45] <Gadgetoid> drazyl: people learn PHP at school!?
[14:45] <ReggieUK> people turning pages with thine own hand was outlawed by cromwell
[14:46] <Gadgetoid> At my school they thought PHP was a rude phallic-related acronym and banned us from even saying it...
[14:46] <drazyl> burn him!
[14:46] <Gadgetoid> They had a panic when someone mentioned ASP and called in pest control
[14:47] <drazyl> as an educational tool it will have a syllabus and an approved set of versions to learn from, and thus an official set of texts
[14:48] <drazyl> as a hackers tool, well, at that level you're supposed to be able to support yourself
[14:48] <Gadgetoid> I don't expect to see the Pi gain much traction in public education, that would be placing entirely too much faith in "the system"
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[14:49] <Gadgetoid> Reminds me, I've got to thumb through my wife's Scratch resources and lesson plans, to see if I can cobble together something useful
[14:50] <drazyl> maybe, but it should allow those with a passion to teach it to better justify the (now relatively small) cost
[14:50] <Gadgetoid> I think those with a passion should be making moves to teach privately, with a level of dynamism and flexibility that no school could ever achieve
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[14:51] <drazyl> why do you assume that doing it privately is automatically better/
[14:51] <Mr_Sheesh> Heck at $35 a computer, a teacher could bring in their OWN set of RaspPis and have students check them out almost?
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[14:52] <drazyl> Mr_Sheesh - or at least "punt me ??1000 for an after school computer class" is easer than "punt me ??10,000"
[14:52] <Mr_Sheesh> True thatm drazyl
[14:52] <Mr_Sheesh> er that,
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[14:52] <kadamski> that's true but remember that this $35 is not all the costs
[14:53] <kadamski> add keyboards, monitors, power supply, etc
[14:53] <Gadgetoid> And I think plenty of people are already doing just that!
[14:53] <kadamski> but as drazyl said, it's much easier that it was before
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[14:55] <Mr_Sheesh> Heck a bunch of the cost's been the OS for winboxen
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[14:56] <Mr_Sheesh> plus the software suite (if you're an EE student, best be RICH
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[15:27] <aaa801> I found a nice case for my pi :D
[15:28] <aaa801> now to make everything fit :o
[15:28] <Arch-MBP> aaa801: which one?
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[15:28] <aaa801> Arch-MBP: i canablised a old router case, the antenna was detachable so i should be able to wire it up to a usb wifi, also got quite alot of room in the box for a usb hub etc
[15:29] <aaa801> The bebox type rotuers
[15:29] <Arch-MBP> off topic: does the UK show unrated tele or is it censored like it is in the US?
[15:29] <aaa801> Censored more then us..
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> It's complex.
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> We can show relatively explicit stuff compared to US.
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> at least broadcast
[15:30] <Mr_Sheesh> And far more in newspapers (page 2 girls is it?) than in US newspapers
[15:31] <Detritus> I remember when I was a kid growing up, waiting for Monty Python to be shown on my local PBS station, not only was it funny, but there was always a good chance of "Full Frontal Nudity"!
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[15:31] <aaa801> Anyone know where i can get a cheap hdmi panel mount?
[15:32] <drazyl> in the UK we have a 9pm "watershed" - before that everything has to be family friendly, after that the rules are more relaxed, but (some) stuff is still censored
[15:33] <M0RBD> hehe
[15:33] <chaoshax> It's odd, you can't show nudity but you can show someone being killed.
[15:33] <M0RBD> I use Craplin cases which I dremmeled
[15:33] <M0RBD> :P
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[15:34] <aaa801> i dont have a dremmel :(, hot knife melts plastic prety good tho
[15:34] <M0RBD> aaa801: it does
[15:34] <reider59> what about a nude dead body?
[15:34] <Detritus> They tend to that here in the US too drazyl, but I believe the "relaxed" time the UK (and most of Europe) shows racier stuff.
[15:34] <Arch-MBP> chaoshax: yeah we cant even show that here
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[15:34] <drazyl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watershed_%28television%29#United_Kingdom
[15:34] <aaa801> Has anyone seen the adult channels on freeview :L
[15:34] <aaa801> "adult"
[15:34] <drazyl> "There should be a gentle transition to adult material,[10] and 18-rated content must not air until 22:00 on most channels that are without PIN protection"
[15:35] <Mr_Sheesh> I used to have a paring knife that I'd brazed to a soldering iron, I need to redo that with a new setup, seems to have vanished
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[15:35] <Arch-MBP> Detritus: you are in the same US as I am? we dont have anything like that here
[15:35] <Detritus> It was a lot more previlant in the 70's and 80's
[15:35] <Detritus> Nowdays they just show whatever
[15:35] <aaa801> Meanwhile in china: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=789he-8T_-E&feature=player_embedded#!
[15:36] <reider59> I need to make a soldering iron stand, have to find a spring or something. Unless anyone has other ideas
[15:36] <SpeedEvil> The controversy about the 'nipple slip' in the US for example would have been pretty much a non-issue here.
[15:36] <Mr_Sheesh> Ceramics to hold the heated element, reider59?
[15:36] <reider59> burnt the counter once and th elong nosed pliars get awfully hot!
[15:36] <aaa801> metal coat hanger twisted around a big pen?
[15:36] <Mr_Sheesh> SpeedEvil, I know - and there were a LOT of web search hits on that :P
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[15:37] <Arch-MBP> SpeedEvil: they just recently passed a new FCC law where you can curse on the air now
[15:37] <drazyl> it's easier here tho as we don't have to deal with multiple timezones
[15:37] <reider59> cable keeps coiling so it won`t stay still, it needs to go in a spring or something that holds it. Pity I got divorced
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[15:39] <bjenet> in sweden, full frontal nudity is allowed on regular tv
[15:39] <Mr_Sheesh> reider59 - get a little weight hung off eyebolts from the ceiling, have that lift your soldering iron above you when not in use, problem solved
[15:39] <bjenet> no censored words either
[15:40] <bjenet> we seem to be doing ok
[15:40] <aaa801> my brain just exploded http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HDMI-X-FLOW-ULTRA-v1-4-1080P-VIDEO-LEAD-CABLE-0-1M-1-0M-3-0M-5-0M-10M-/120843491984?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item1c22d55a90
[15:40] <reider59> I`ll work something out, don`t fancy wearing it in my ear. Thanks ;-)
[15:40] <Mr_Sheesh> I've always figured it this way - in the IS we let people see boxing etc. - yet nudity isn't OK? Which would you rather YOU experience, someone huge beating you to a pulp, or walking around with nothing on? Honestly.
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> Mr_Sheesh: Depends on the person.
[15:41] <reider59> To be honest, I prefer women with some clothes on
[15:41] <ReggieUK> Ok, this conversation can go off channel please
[15:42] <reider59> okies
[15:42] <ReggieUK> pm, somewhere else, whatever :)
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[15:42] <Mr_Sheesh> I suppose, OK boss ReggieUK :)
[15:42] <reider59> No, he has a valid point, thought so earlier
[15:43] <reider59> He`s not often wrong but this time he`s right ;-)
[15:43] <Mr_Sheesh> anyways for a soldering iron, see if there's a coil spring manufacturing place near you maybe? and make the core out of ceramics, fired is good.
[15:43] <reider59> I was in town earlier and tempted to price one up but between the Docs and shopping I left it. Rain didn`t help either
[15:43] <M0RBD> Who's going to the Jam in Cambridge tomorrow..
[15:44] <ReggieUK> Oh I am definitely wrong sometimes
[15:44] <friggle> I'll be there :)
[15:44] <Mr_Sheesh> ReggieUK - It's 6:40am and I'm still awake so I "may" ramble somewhat? Heh Time for me to sleep probably
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[15:44] <reider59> Back at Docs Tuesday for a follow up, not happy about my breathing and BP is low instead of high-can`t win, so I have to go back for more tests
[15:45] <Detritus> Or you could spend $9 at radio shack, and get a pre-made stand. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062740
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[15:45] <Mr_Sheesh> Detritus - I'm surprised ReggieUK isn't warning you for such language, the R-S- word!?!
[15:46] <reider59> That looks good, wonder if Tandyuk online has one in pounds, lol rip off Britain
[15:46] <Detritus> Ya, I hear you. I feel dirty for having suggested it myself. :)
[15:46] <M0RBD> friggle: me 2!
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[15:47] <reider59> Found a similar one in the UK ?2.91 + Vat....it`s mine
[15:48] <Mr_Sheesh> Detritus - Maybe use a hazmat suit?
[15:48] <reider59> It`s called ToolStation....is it OK to say that? ;-)
[15:49] <Detritus> At the risk of another off color refernce... This isn't a bad little staion for the money. http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062750&filterName=Type&filterValue=Soldering+irons
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[15:50] <reider59> oof, that`s a little steep
[15:50] <reider59> oh dual power
[15:51] <Detritus> Yeah.It's no Weller, but it works well for occasional use around the house.
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[15:52] <Detritus> You can probably find the same unit on ebay direct from china for about 1/3 the price though.
[15:52] <reider59> ahhhhh, save the postage, it`s free over ?10 but it only costs shy of ?3. Just looked and we have that shop here but a bit of a trek from town. Might take a look on Tuesday.
[15:53] <M0RBD> ye
[15:54] <hellangel> hey there.. i was wondering if someone could assist me with my problem installing gnome.. i got arch linux on my raspberry.. when trying to install gnome, i get "error: failed to commit transaction (invalid or corrupted package)"... i updated pacman, i set the siglevel to never and also generated a key (pacman-key --init)
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[15:54] <hellangel> is this a problem with some mirrors? (i tried german and netherlands)
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[16:06] <Epeli> Any ideas why my udev rule does not work on Debian? http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1040/using-udev-rules-with-debian-squeeze-raspberry-pi-edition
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[16:08] <M0RBD> perhaps the fd1[0-3] part
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[16:08] <M0RBD> which would be fd1x and not fd1xx
[16:10] <M0RBD> I'm not sure about udevs regexp but you coud try fd1[0-9][0-9]
[16:11] <M0RBD> however, personally I would just put in fd13
[16:11] <Epeli> M0RBD: I just tried removing the whole filter from it
[16:11] <Epeli> no luck
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> back from a plesant little lunch with my wife... where we nearly spent far too much money on a new BBQ thingy...
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[16:13] <M0RBD> Epeli: so even it does not work even if you write fd13
[16:13] <Epeli> M0RBD: I'm trying that too now.
[16:13] <Epeli> RPi booting up slowly... :)
[16:13] <M0RBD> just discregard my previous comment regarding [0-9] should have had my glasses on!
[16:14] <M0RBD> (reason why I not accepted as fighter pilot :/)
[16:14] <M0RBD> when you do a change restart udev
[16:14] <Epeli> sure
[16:15] <Epeli> I think reboot will do that too :)
[16:15] <M0RBD> _it_ could be the bus/port
[16:15] <M0RBD> try changing port
[16:16] * M0RBD has a headache :/
[16:16] <Epeli> No luck :/
[16:17] <M0RBD> gordonDrogon: That sounds familiar
[16:17] <M0RBD> :D
[16:17] <reider59> I had a headache starting last ight, first one in years. went to bed and gave up what I was doing
[16:17] <reider59> *night
[16:17] <blkhawk> anyone done any i2c stuff?
[16:19] <blkhawk> hmm
[16:19] <reider59> in simple terms, in Geany, anyone any idea what "exited with code 27" is about?
[16:19] <blkhawk> seems to already be build in
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[16:20] <reider59> oops 127
[16:20] <blkhawk> sorry no idea
[16:21] <Epeli> M0RBD: No wait, it started to work when I removed the regexp from the rule!
[16:21] <reider59> Think I may go back to using Python and figure out what I need
[16:21] <Epeli> M0RBD: or not, I miss read it :(
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[16:33] <[SLB]> is there a way to track farnell's delivery status?
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[16:33] <bionicRobot> not as far as I know
[16:33] <[SLB]> ah thanks
[16:34] <[SLB]> and for RS?
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[16:34] <bionicRobot> You won't get a tracking number until it actually ships
[16:34] <bionicRobot> anything before that is up to conjecture
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> M0RBD, she's after one of these: http://www.kamadojoe.com/
[16:34] <[SLB]> it's shipped 2 days ago from farnell
[16:35] <reider59> takes up to 7 days
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> M0RBD, and actually, I quite fancy it too - we've been using the same old cast iron BBQ for the past 10 years, so maybe it's time for something now...
[16:35] <[SLB]> hm, it said 3-5 to me
[16:35] <[SLB]> i'm in italy
[16:35] <bionicRobot> then it depends on the shipping agent. In my case it was with DHL so it was tracked
[16:35] <reider59> must have changed
[16:36] <[SLB]> and you got info via email on the dhl tracking?
[16:36] <bionicRobot> italy? then you definitely should have gotten an email with a tracking number
[16:36] <[SLB]> yes i have the tracking number
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. Just thought of a cute little demo for the Pi and the GIO board - connect ML35 analog temp to the ATmega, get the Pi to read it, and convert it into fan speed - but scale it to 20C to 36C for 0 to full speed and then we have a new take on the old-fashioned "passion meter" ;-) From milkmaid to scorcher :)
[16:36] <[SLB]> i don't have the link where to check it at
[16:37] * gordonDrogon suspects the number of 'hotties' at the Pi Jam meet might be countable on the fingers on one hand though...
[16:38] <KrnlPanic> lol @ gordonDrogon
[16:38] <bionicRobot> dhl.com
[16:38] <bionicRobot> it's on the front page
[16:38] <[SLB]> thanks i thought it was ups, let's see
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[16:40] <[SLB]> is it the code starting with ORP? i have 3 different numbers, invoice no., order and ref no. none seems to work
[16:41] <[SLB]> maybe it's shipper's reference let's see
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[16:44] <[SLB]> nothing
[16:45] <bionicRobot> the email you received definitely says shipped?
[16:45] <[SLB]> yes i also got the pdf invoice
[16:45] <bionicRobot> doesn't mean much, they sent me the invoice weeks before it actually shipped
[16:46] <[SLB]> am telling you, Your Farnell element14 Order Has Been Shipped.
[16:46] <[SLB]> Your Raspberry Pi has now been shipped from our warehouse
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[16:47] <[SLB]> this on july 11th
[16:48] <Joshun> hi
[16:48] <Joshun> just made a custom raspbian image: http://www.4shared.com/get/ptUV60n3/raspbian-joshun-120712img.html
[16:48] <Joshun> would anyone mind testing it?
[16:48] <Joshun> its got custom scripts for ease of use
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[16:54] <bionicRobot> Joshun, whats the image size? I have a 2GB SD Card I can spare
[16:54] <Joshun> bionicRobot - quite small in comparison to others - i got it down to 1.4GB
[16:54] <Joshun> its compressed so download is ~250mb
[16:55] <Joshun> i used dd's bs parameter to skip copying the free space from the card
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[17:01] <booyaa> gah one of the things i hate about file sharing sites
[17:01] <booyaa> is that they hate text based browser
[17:01] * booyaa is trying to nab the download link using lynx
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> why use them then ? get your own site...
[17:02] * booyaa coughs and points at Joshun
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, 1.4G? Heh...
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, how did dd know what blocks were unused?
[17:02] <Joshun> gordonDrogon - maybe because I can't afford it. I do have a web site (http://jmoey.zxq.net), but ftp uploads to it would be too slow and may increase strain etc.
[17:02] <booyaa> i'll have a look tonight
[17:03] * booyaa was hoping to kick off the download
[17:03] <Joshun> the empty space is partitionless space, so it doesn't make any difference to just get rid of it
[17:03] <Joshun> booya - i can direct-link you if you want
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> Joshun, ?4 a month... http://www.kimsufi.co.uk/vks/
[17:03] <Joshun> i'm a student
[17:03] <booyaa> Joshun: yes please :)
[17:03] <booyaa> Joshun: if you're happy with your build we should definitely torrent it
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> moor.drogon.ne is a kimsufi cheap server although it's not running anyting publicly acessible, but it's pingable OK.
[17:04] * booyaa will keep his open indefinitely (usually stop seeding after uploading 1.5x)
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> *moor.drogon.net
[17:04] <Joshun> if i had a bit more money i would just have my own apache webserver, have a domain name and just host it myself
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> I'm just experimenting with it - I figured ?15 (3 months up-front) wouldn't go amis...
[17:04] <booyaa> i wonder how long before someone offers: mac colo except for rpis :D
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> it's basically a 'blank' debian server from my point of view..
[17:05] <booyaa> sorry that should be macmini colo
[17:05] <Joshun> booyaa: http://search.4shared.com/postDownload/ptUV60n3/null
[17:05] <nid0> why not serve it from your pi? :p
[17:05] <Joshun> booya: or here: http://dc592.4shared.com/download-torrent/ptUV60n3/raspbian-joshun-120712img.7z?tsid=20120713-144349-f3cde27d
[17:05] <nid0> and domains are cheap/free enough
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> nid0, you get what you pay for - you kow that ;-)
[17:05] <Joshun> you have no idea how old I actually am :P
[17:05] <nid0> gordonDrogon: who knows, he said he was a student, he may have a direct janet connection
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> I'm still amazed that the kimsufi 'server' I have actually works for that price though...
[17:06] <M0RBD> gordonDrogon: do they offer shell access?
[17:06] * M0RBD likes to configure the hardware
[17:06] <Joshun> I actually can't technically get a proper job yet
[17:06] <M0RBD> hardway evn
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> M0RBD, yes - but it's a virtual server, so no hardware to configure.
[17:06] <nid0> M0RBD: I would imagine shell access is *all* you get, by default
[17:06] <M0RBD> I mean hardway :D
[17:06] <M0RBD> +t
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> yes - that's what they gave me - the root login & password!
[17:07] <Joshun> gordonDrogon - if the image is fine and people don't find glitches, i may bother to upload it to my normal website
[17:07] <Joshun> in fact i may try it now
[17:07] <booyaa> Joshun: thanks, still no dice. no worries will kick off when i get home.
[17:08] <Joshun> booya ok. i'll see if i can upload it to my normal site anyway
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[17:10] <M0RBD> gordonDrogon: regarding the grill American haha my wife would have liked that..
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[17:11] <M0RBD> nid0: yeah.. just what I want no tedious control panel :D
[17:11] <nid0> man, ovh must have a lot of wasted unused rack space going spare
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[17:13] <Joshun> now uploading over ftp...
[17:14] <Joshun> broken pipe
[17:14] <Gadgetoid> My badger is all nice and packed, but now I've got to unpack it in C
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> nid0, yea, I really can't work out their model...
[17:15] <Gadgetoid> So something like for(idx = 0; idx < width*height/8; idx++)
[17:16] <nid0> gordonDrogon: the dedi servers particularly, are clearly loss-leaders, presumably just to fill out unused capacity - the cost of powering and cooling 1u of rack space is probably close to the ??14 theyre charging for their cheapest dedi, let alone the cost of the transit and the machine itself
[17:17] <M0RBD> yeah
[17:17] <Joshun> 550-File too big. Max allowed size is 15360 kb.
[17:17] <Joshun> 550 raspbian-joshun-120712.img.7z won't be saved.
[17:17] <Gadgetoid> Ick, I'm getting all floating point now
[17:17] <M0RBD> I remember for donkeys year... There where racks/rooms belonging to worldcom/mci just standing there empty...
[17:17] <M0RBD> in telehouse that is
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[17:18] <nid0> not uncommon, but at least theyll only be paying minimally for that space to sit unused because it isnt drawing power or running the chillers
[17:18] <M0RBD> tru
[17:18] <M0RBD> e
[17:19] <M0RBD> gordonDrogon: There is one thing I would not trust my wife on... And that's lawnmovers
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[17:21] <gordonDrogon> M0RBD, fortunately we don't have a lawn...
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> we used to have one, but then we got chickens.
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[17:24] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: Googlebot tried to SQL-inject my site :D
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, good for it.
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, keeping the net safe, one site at a time...
[17:30] <Gadgetoid> Hmmm, arduino crashy crashy :D
[17:31] <Joshun> do sourceforge have free hosting for projects?
[17:31] <WASDx> gotta go now, bye
[17:31] <booyaa> Joshun: github?
[17:31] <ReggieUK> indeed, github do
[17:31] <booyaa> sourceforge is deprecated
[17:31] <Joshun> how many mb do they have for
[17:31] <booyaa> well in my eyes they do
[17:32] <Joshun> how much upload space?
[17:32] <booyaa> Joshun: repos are free if they're public, i don't know what the upper end limit is
[17:32] <Joshun> i could upload the scripts to it then aswell
[17:32] <booyaa> that'll be interesting git pushing a 200+mb blob, no reason why it shouldn't work
[17:32] <ReggieUK> GitHub does not have any hard storage limits. We have soft limits for each plan to prevent abuse.
[17:33] <ReggieUK> https://github.com/plans
[17:33] <Joshun> Initialize this repository with a README ?
[17:34] <Joshun> no idea what that does
[17:34] <M0RBD> gordonDrogon: hehe
[17:35] <Joshun> repo now up: https://github.com/Joshun/raspbian-joshun
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[17:38] <Gadgetoid> I've almost unpacked my badger, I just need a better way of unpacking my bytes than if packedByte = 0xff then next 4 pixels are transparent
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[17:41] <Draylor> mmmkay, and what is that a euphemism for? :O
[17:42] <Gadgetoid> Draylor: packing 2-bit integers into 8-bits
[17:42] <Gadgetoid> For example: 0xff = 3333
[17:42] <Draylor> whats a badger got to do with it?
[17:43] <Gadgetoid> And 0x55 = 1111, and 0xfd = 3331
[17:43] <Gadgetoid> Draylor: the packed bytes are an image, of a badger
[17:43] <Gadgetoid> Albeit a low resolution, monochrome one
[17:43] <Draylor> my mind must just be in the gutter :D
[17:44] <Joshun> how do you get github to sync repo?
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[17:44] <McGooch> How best to pack your bytes will depend on how skewed your distribution is toward zero
[17:45] <MrZYX> Joshun: checkout http.//try.github.com
[17:45] <prpplague> ReggieUK: you guys got anyone assigned to oversee the elinux.org RPi specific pages?
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[17:46] <ReggieUK> don't think it's 'our page' prpplague
[17:46] <prpplague> ReggieUK: yea i know it isn't "official" pages
[17:47] <prpplague> ReggieUK: just wanted to know if someone in your staff were reviewing and/or working with the pages
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[17:48] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. doing the code for the passionometer - hooked up 8 of the LEDs on the GIO board to represent temp in 2C increments too - so 20 to 36C is visible on 8 LEDs as well as being able to speed control the fan!
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> Just been followed by this chap too: http://www.simonmonk.org/ cool book titles!
[17:48] <Gadgetoid> Need a bitmask to return two bits of an 8-bit integer based on the position 0 to 3 I think
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[17:49] <prpplague> ReggieUK: there are ton of pages being added, but a bunch of them are orphaned and don't follow naming guidelines
[17:49] <prpplague> ReggieUK: if no one from the "official" group are overseeing the edits, we'll need to do some supervising of them
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[17:50] <Gadgetoid> Well, I'll be damned??? I did it in the most kludgey way
[17:50] <Gadgetoid> Hahah: int firstBit = packedByte & (1 << (b*2)) ? 1 : 0;
[17:50] <Gadgetoid> And then: int secondBit = packedByte & (1 << (b*2)+1) ? 1 : 0;
[17:50] <ReggieUK> ok, elinux.org is the thing with ownership, any pages on the wiki are free for any elinux.org member to edit
[17:51] <Gadgetoid> Then if( firstBit && secondBit ) { setPixel(xx,yy,3); }
[17:51] <ReggieUK> there's no heirachy to do with this channel or the foundation
[17:52] <prpplague> ReggieUK: yes i know, i am one of the founding members and maintainer for elinux.org
[17:52] <ReggieUK> but yes, orphaned pages do need to be looked at and information should be updated, with the size of the community it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect the community to step up and update stuff as necessary (it's in all our best interests to not give out bad information)
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> that's what wiki's are all about..
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[17:53] <ReggieUK> prpplague, if I'd have known I wouldn't have just tried to teach to suck eggs :D
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> only as good as the contributors..
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[17:53] <McGooch> Gagetoid: are you using a variable number of bytes per int when you pack them?
[17:53] <prpplague> ReggieUK: ??
[17:54] <prpplague> ReggieUK: i did not understand your statement
[17:54] <ReggieUK> if I'd have known you were a founding member of elinux, I wouldn't have tried to tell you how it's run :)
[17:54] <prpplague> ReggieUK: ahh no worries, just assumed you knew
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[17:55] <ReggieUK> nope, although looking back I may have done and forgotten, as you're a didj man too :)
[17:55] <prpplague> ReggieUK: wmat and i will be fixing some pages and posting some specific guidelines for the RPi pages
[17:55] <ReggieUK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_grandmother_to_suck_eggs
[17:55] <prpplague> ReggieUK: yea
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[17:55] <ReggieUK> that would be fantastic prpplague :)
[17:55] <reider59> My Grandma was good at sucking eggs, she had not teeth
[17:56] <reider59> *no
[17:56] <reider59> Gummy sucks
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[17:58] <gordonDrogon> odd expression, given that raw egg isn't particularly plesant. We used to blow them...
[17:58] <ReggieUK> prpplague, last time I saw someone attempt to overhaul some elinux pages was the didj and imho it didn't work out well
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[17:58] <ReggieUK> so it would be nice to see some decent guidelines
[17:59] <ReggieUK> the attempt was noble enough but it went from being a 1 page list of the stuff you could do that was easy to find and very easy to refer to any other subject about the didj from to a disparate bunch of pages with hard to find stuff buried amongst layers of other stuff
[18:00] <prpplague> ReggieUK: yea, well we have over 200 RPi pages currently
[18:03] <ReggieUK> ouch!
[18:03] <ReggieUK> I didn't think it had gone that far
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[18:03] <ReggieUK> how has it managed to sprawl like that?
[18:04] <Gadget-Mac> 200 ?
[18:04] <ReggieUK> they're going to be nested all over the place then :(
[18:04] <ReggieUK> the community has been working it's random-fu magic
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[18:10] <Gadget-Mac> ReggieUK: Something like that
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[18:28] <ReggieUK> in case anyone is interested, overclockers seem to be doing some reasonable deals on branded SD/uSD cards
[18:28] <ReggieUK> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/thisweek.php
[18:29] <Billiard> those don't look like deals here :/
[18:29] <ReggieUK> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/thisweek.php#1657 probably a better link
[18:30] <Billiard> scrolling down 1 inch does not make them look like good deals :p
[18:30] <ReggieUK> 32GB for ??11.99 looks reasonable
[18:31] <Billiard> what is that in USD?
[18:31] <Billiard> 16 or something
[18:31] <ReggieUK> google will know
[18:31] <Billiard> and why are there two prices on that website?
[18:32] <drazyl> ex-VAT and inc-VAT
[18:33] <Billiard> ReggieUK: same price as amazon on that one
[18:33] <Billiard> all the others are balls more
[18:33] <Billiard> oh, shipping isn't free, amazon is cheaper :p
[18:34] <ReggieUK> tbh i put them up for uk people, not to be told that they're really poor, if they're no good for you, try elsewhere (and who would want to ship from the UK to the US as prices are generally cheaper there anyway?)
[18:35] <Billiard> same price on amazon.co.uk too
[18:35] <ReggieUK> some people prefer a respected store instead of ebay/amazon/random retailer too
[18:36] <Billiard> amazon is very respected
[18:36] <AlexP> Amazon also use the crappiest courriers known to mankind
[18:36] <AlexP> They have to be quite a bit cheaper before I'll use them over someone using the Royal Mail
[18:38] <Arch-Cloud> AlexP: that must only be the case where you are...in the US they use UPS/FedEX most times
[18:38] <Billiard> or USPS
[18:38] <AlexP> Arch-Cloud: Good for them, but sadly I'm not in the US
[18:39] <Billiard> your country is small, how can it take more than 6 hours to get anything anywhere? :p
[18:39] <Arch-Cloud> Billiard: ive only found that to be true if they are sending from an external store
[18:39] <Arch-Cloud> lol
[18:40] <Billiard> Arch-Cloud: just had something sold by amazon ship usps
[18:40] <Billiard> "Ships from and sold by Amazon.com"
[18:42] <Arch-Cloud> Billiard: did you get it fast by chance?
[18:43] <Billiard> 2 days
[18:44] <Arch-Cloud> hmm well its still fast
[18:44] <Billiard> o wait 3, I can't subtract
[18:44] <Billiard> nvm 2, it was 1 day before the estimate
[18:44] <Arch-Cloud> i got my sd cards that way..they sent UPS and then switched it over to USPS
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[18:44] <Arch-Cloud> i dont know why
[18:45] <Arch-Cloud> but i got it fast so i dont really care
[18:45] <Billiard> lul
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[18:45] <Arch-Cloud> now i cant decide on the distro
[18:46] <Billiard> they should ship one through each carrier, and only the fastest one gets paid
[18:46] <Arch-Cloud> but that raspbian vid sure makes me want to stick with raspbian
[18:47] <ReggieUK> raspbian definitely looks a lot snappier
[18:47] <Joshun> booya: my raspbian image is now uploading to github
[18:47] <Arch-Cloud> sure does....now i need to find out from mike if r2 is near or can that all be done with r1
[18:48] <Billiard> are they still going to make model A?
[18:49] <ReggieUK> yes
[18:49] <Arch-Cloud> its not as popular
[18:49] <Billiard> now that it has same RAM
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[18:49] <ReggieUK> Arch-Cloud, what isn't as popular?
[18:49] <ReggieUK> there's not really much of a way to gauge how popular it is right now
[18:50] <ReggieUK> I Would've bought one over a B on launch
[18:50] <Arch-Cloud> ReggieUK: the model A......well well thats true...all i ever see on the internets is the Model B being referenced
[18:50] <Billiard> they should make an even cheaper one without composite+3.5mm
[18:50] <Billiard> don't need that junk :p
[18:50] <Billiard> I guess the 3.5mm could be useful, but, composite :/
[18:51] <ReggieUK> you don't need that junk
[18:51] <ReggieUK> but plenty of people are happy to use it
[18:52] <ReggieUK> not everyone needs 1920x1080 desktop :D
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[18:52] <Billiard> you can do small res over hdmi :/
[18:52] <Billiard> composite looks like poo
[18:52] <SIFTU> it's ok for watching videos
[18:52] <Billiard> raise your hand if you are using the composite vid on your rpi
[18:52] <ReggieUK> luckily they didn't design it with you in mind :)
[18:52] <ReggieUK> o/
[18:53] <Arch-Cloud> lol
[18:53] <reider59> I may use it soon with a car reversing screen
[18:53] <boomtakzaag> Billiard digg that
[18:54] <SIFTU> Billiard: i plan on using it on a few old TV's
[18:54] <Joshun> found a slightly hackish way of editing raspberry pi images without using the pi itself :)
[18:54] <Billiard> fine, then I want a 3rd even cheaper model :p
[18:54] <reider59> I can get the screen for ?15 so it`s worth a punt
[18:54] <Billiard> Joshun: mounting it?
[18:55] <Joshun> Billiard - yes, and specifying the mount offset
[18:55] <boomtakzaag> anyone else thinks it's stupid the guys at cambridge put a micro B usb connector on the RBP? Got my rbp last week but am still waiting for the stupid cable
[18:55] <Joshun> run parted -l image.img, change units to bytes and print the partition table
[18:55] <Billiard> micro usb is the standard phone charger cable (at least in this country)
[18:55] <reider59> I have a few of the cables about. They`re used a lot here
[18:56] <Joshun> then mount -o loop,offset=starting offset of partition you want to edit (in bytes) image path
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[18:56] <ReggieUK> I didn't have a micro usb cable until I owned a pi
[18:56] <Arch-Cloud> boomtakzaag: i think the intention was to make it more user accessible since most phones use microusb
[18:56] <boomtakzaag> is it? thought that was mini b? I've got about 10 of those lying arround
[18:56] <ReggieUK> and I didn't think it was the best design choice myself to use micro (or any usb) for power unless it was able to carry data too
[18:57] <boomtakzaag> i agree
[18:57] <Arch-Cloud> ReggieUK: yeah the barrel would have solved the voltage issue for sure
[18:57] <MrZYX> boomtakzaag: http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/29/european-standardization-bodies-formalize-micro-usb-cellphone-ch/
[18:57] <boomtakzaag> ahh I see
[18:57] <ReggieUK> well, the issue is that they're rated for 700ma but usb in general will be assumed to be pushing out 500ma
[18:57] <ReggieUK> a lot of people will be unaware and just see a plug that fits a socket
[18:57] <Billiard> I'd rather have a standard usb cable than some proprietary port
[18:58] <ReggieUK> I wouldn't want a proprietary port either
[18:58] <ReggieUK> but it doesn't need one
[18:58] <Billiard> which standard to use then?
[18:58] <ReggieUK> simple barrel jack would do
[18:58] <Billiard> there are standards for those?
[18:58] <BCMM> Billiard: yes. lots.
[18:58] <Billiard> yeah, "lots" :/
[18:58] <boomtakzaag> well or USB-A, every house hold with an old printer has those lying around
[18:59] <Billiard> you mean B?
[18:59] <MrZYX> B on that end rather
[18:59] <boomtakzaag> whoops i meant B
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[19:11] <boomtakzaag> what do you guys think of the new Odroid-x by HardKernel?
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[19:21] <Code_Bleu> boomtakzaag: $100 cheaper and it would be awesome! Not sure where this stands now, but this looks promising http://www.cnx-software.com/2011/12/18/15-usd-arm-cortex-a8-linux-computer-by-rhombus-tech/
[19:22] <boomtakzaag> wow, that looks promising
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[19:32] <eb_> hi
[19:33] <eb_> Is anyone on?
[19:34] <ReggieUK> kind of
[19:35] <eb_> works for me. I'm trying to get my IOGear USB to work in LXDE in debian and I feel like I'm *this* close.
[19:35] <eb_> I
[19:36] <eb_> I've installed the recommended kernel module and made the recommended changes in my /etc/network/interfaces..
[19:36] <ReggieUK> what is an 'IOGear USB'
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[19:36] <eb_> IOGear GWU625 802.11n adapter: http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-44703/l/raspberry-pi-wifi-adapter-testing
[19:36] <eb_> I've been following the tutorial here: http://omer.me/2012/04/setting-up-wireless-networks-under-debian-on-raspberry-pi/
[19:37] <eb_> when I do 'iwlist wlan0 scan' in the command line I can "see" the two wifi networks in my area, but when I go into LXDE and fire up Wicd Network Manager it doesn't see the wifi networks at all.
[19:38] <ReggieUK> did you try wicd-cli
[19:40] <ReggieUK> does wicd know what your wireless device is called?
[19:41] <eb_> I do wicd-curses and can see the connections, but when I try to select anything it crashes with a DBUS exception. Resetting the pi.
[19:41] <eb_> I installed the pre-compiled kernel module and it calls it out as it boots up.
[19:43] <eb_> I don't know if this matters, but on boot up, it does DHCPREQUEST on wlan0 to port 67 three times.
[19:44] <ReggieUK> not sure what to suggest there is obviously an issue with dbus but without more of an idea what teh error was it's hard to tell
[19:44] <ReggieUK> could there be another network manager installed on the system that is conflicting with wicd?
[19:45] <eb_> Nothing is impossible. It's done rebooting. I'll try wicd-curses before I load startX and see what's what.
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[19:47] <eb_> This time it let me select the wpa2-encrypted network (my home router) and enter the password. Lessee.
[19:49] <eb_> No joy. LXDE, it seems, refuses to acknowledge the existence of wireless connections.
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[19:51] <eb_> That's weird.
[19:51] <eb_> The network doo-hickey on the bottom right (right toolbar) says I'm connected to my home network. Umm.. kay.
[19:54] <Joshun> my git now works :D seems so easy once you get used to it. https://github.com/Joshun/raspbian-joshun
[19:55] <eb_> Anybody use dropbox on the pi?
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[19:56] <ReggieUK> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/karmic/man8/wicd.8.html
[19:56] <ReggieUK> might help
[19:57] <SIFTU> eb_: I didnt think there was an arm build for it, since it's closed source.. but is there?
[19:57] <eb_> No idea.
[19:57] <SIFTU> I doubt it then
[19:58] <eb_> In Gnome, there's a way to connect to server to get at SMB shares. How does one do this in LXDE?
[19:59] <ReggieUK> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=lxde+smb&meta=&aq=f&oq=
[19:59] <eb_> Thanks. got it!
[20:02] <eb_> What's the latest on HTML5 video? There are conflicting reports of success and failure.
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[20:03] <spike___> Evening chaps
[20:04] <ReggieUK> eb_, not entirely sure, it seems that some people have had it working (works with youtube apparently) and others have reported it's slow
[20:04] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=6798
[20:04] <eb_> So I'm able to _try_ to access my home network's SMB share but it keeps timing out. Am I asking too much of the little guy?
[20:05] <ReggieUK> however, as raspbian is nearing an official release, it might be worth waiting to see whether it gives a performance increase (not sure if floating point would help but seems like it should)
[20:05] <ReggieUK> eb_, no you're not asking too much it's likely to be a configuration issue, you can always try looking on the forums and/or wiki page to see if there is anything that might point you in the right direction
[20:06] <eb_> I was afraid you'd say something like that.
[20:06] <ReggieUK> keep lurking and asking :)
[20:06] <ReggieUK> unfortunately, i haven't done anything with wireless, smb, lxde on the pi so you're getting the best help I can give which doesn't amount to much :D
[20:07] <spike___> eb: samba works well with rasbmc, if thats any use. I watched a couple of 2hr+ films with not probs. YMMV are using windows 7?
[20:07] <eb_> Spike_: Not if I can help it. :)
[20:07] <ReggieUK> evening spike___
[20:08] <spike___> aah ok, I found once i'd disabled the homegroup doings, samba ran fine.
[20:09] <eb_> Homegroup? Is that a windows networking thing?
[20:09] <spike___> yeah, its pants
[20:10] <spike___> once I'd got rid of it, streaming worked great
[20:10] <eb_> Ah.
[20:10] <spike___> amazing quality even over my iffy wifi, most impressed
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[20:12] <spike___> wrote a guide for sharing wifi over lan for win7, might be useful for some peeps. though a guess most chap here use linux
[20:12] <spike___> http://spikeware.wordpress.com/2012/07/11/share-your-laptop-wifi-via-lan-to-your-pi/
[20:13] <eb_> Thanks, all. Talk to you later.
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[20:13] <spike___> cya
[20:15] <spike___> I'm excited for RC4 of raspbmc. I hope libsec is included in this build, then I can use my tv remote to control my PI. currently using my phone
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[20:22] <Joshun> is there any way to get 'git push' to show some kind of progress bar?
[20:23] <Joshun> annoying not knowing how long there is left
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[20:23] <Gadgetoid> Joshun: must be a big push for it to need a progress bar!
[20:24] <bnmorgan> hah
[20:24] <bnmorgan> look what a buddy just did
[20:24] <bnmorgan> http://www.daupara.de/w98-rpi.jpg
[20:24] <Gadgetoid> I was expecting QEMU, saw DOSBox...
[20:25] <spike___> ooh second edition, sweet!
[20:26] <spike___> happy days of driver woes and irqs kerfufling
[20:26] <ReggieUK> thunking
[20:26] <bnmorgan> i don't know what quemu is bu ok.
[20:26] <spike___> i wonder if populous runs on dosbox via pi
[20:27] <spike___> does it have enough grunt
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[20:27] <streetuff> hi
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[20:28] <spike___> is .74 the latest build of dosbox?
[20:28] <streetuff> its the latest in the debian repository
[20:29] <streetuff> dont even try to run win98
[20:29] <streetuff> its slow as hell :)
[20:29] <spike___> aah, must be down to all that tight coding from the m$ lads ? :)
[20:30] <streetuff> hehe
[20:30] <streetuff> maybe some old dos games work on the rpi with dosbox
[20:30] <streetuff> i didnt tryed
[20:30] <spike___> blue screens ahoy
[20:31] <spike___> might have a tinker with that over the weekend
[20:32] <spike___> not tried any emulation yet, been follow the mame developments, looking good for the future
[20:32] <spike___> amazing what a little board can do
[20:33] <streetuff> sdl mame might work with most of the older games
[20:33] <streetuff> had that running on my ps3 with linux
[20:34] <spike___> yeah ,thats what i'm after <1990 games, the classcis.
[20:34] <spike___> *classics
[20:34] <streetuff> yeah
[20:35] <streetuff> i tried the vice c64 emulator
[20:35] <streetuff> but it was too slow
[20:35] <spike___> some chap had advance mame running, but had probs with sound over hdmi
[20:35] <zgreg> yo streetuff :)
[20:35] <streetuff> hrm. usually you do...
[20:35] <spike___> wow vice too slow, is that down to the custom c64 chips?
[20:35] <streetuff> sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
[20:35] <streetuff> sudo modprobe snd_bcm2835
[20:35] <streetuff> sudo amixer cset numid=3 1
[20:35] <streetuff> # (change the 1 to 2 if you're using HDMI audio rather than the audio jack)
[20:36] <streetuff> zgreg: :D
[20:36] <streetuff> spike___: dunno
[20:36] <spike___> cool, i'll cut paste that, cheers
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[20:37] <streetuff> spike___: i put that into a shell script into my home folder...
[20:37] <streetuff> spike___: http://pastebin.com/KayRucSw
[20:37] <streetuff> spike___: if you want to run the demoscene musicdisk planet hively...
[20:38] <spike___> sid chip music ona pi, cool beans
[20:39] <streetuff> you can install a sidplayer under linux for that
[20:39] <streetuff> anything that uses libsidplay
[20:39] <spike___> which dsitro do u use? debian?
[20:40] <streetuff> yep
[20:40] <streetuff> tried to rootstock a jaunty image yesterday. but didnt found a ubuntu jaunty repository on the net
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[20:41] <Gadgetoid> Hell damn fart!
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[20:44] <Joshun> Gadgetoid - actually no, only a couple of scripts
[20:45] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, I haven't tried sound on my Pi agai
[20:46] <streetuff> i tried it today
[20:46] <streetuff> and worked nice for the demoscene stuff i compiled
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[20:51] <spike___> cya chaps
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[21:00] <silly_> any recommendations on gamepads? i heared the xbox 360wirelss are decent
[21:01] <streetuff> silly_: http://loranablog.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/joyusb.jpg%3Fw%3D347%26h%3D250
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[21:02] <silly_> streetuff, sadly, i need wireless, and its for snes games, so 6 buttons + stick
[21:03] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: bet you'll want an early night tonight
[21:03] <streetuff> for snes i have a snes + sd2snes cart :)
[21:03] <booyaa> what with being up at stupid o'clock tomorrow
[21:04] <silly_> streetuff, nice ;) i like how zsnes handles the interpolation on the rpi. looks good on hd
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[21:04] <Joshun> booya: i set up my github :) https://github.com/Joshun/raspbian-joshun
[21:04] <streetuff> silly_: i play snes on the real machine with the sd2snes sd card cartdrige
[21:05] <booyaa> very nice to y'all retroing on the rpi
[21:05] <streetuff> silly_: http://sd2snes.de/blog/
[21:05] <booyaa> Joshun: right downloading :)
[21:05] <Joshun> booya - I didn't upload the actual image to github - its not really meant for that sort of thing
[21:05] <Joshun> the image will be on ubuntu one
[21:05] <silly_> streetuff, yeah, i understood that. but i got an rpi and my snes broke 10yrs ago xD
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[21:05] <streetuff> silly_: too bad :)
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[21:06] <silly_> streetuff, but i got 3 working n64 :)
[21:06] <Joshun> at least ubuntu one's not got adverts etc and has 5gb free
[21:06] <booyaa> when's the images? do we run one of the scripts?
[21:06] <booyaa> Joshun: ^^
[21:07] <streetuff> silly_: i got 6x c64. 3x vic 20, 2x plus4, 7x vcs 2600, and many many more
[21:07] <Joshun> booya - in the readme, i'll add a link to actual builds. i've decided to host it on ubuntu one for now, its on 59% so will be uploaded soon
[21:07] <silly_> streetuff, you make my mouth water.. can i cash at your place? ;)
[21:08] <Joshun> github is great for source code but too clunky for binaries
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[21:08] <streetuff> silly_: btw. we still code demos on commodore 64. we won 2nd place with that one at eastern at the revision demoscene party -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCleBYZxN_k
[21:09] <silly_> impressive
[21:09] <streetuff> enjoy!
[21:10] <silly_> amazing what can be done with this little memory
[21:10] <booyaa> Joshun: read it, so do i just download the image from your shared file url (the one you posted earlier)
[21:10] <streetuff> and a 0.98KHz cpu :)
[21:11] <streetuff> err 985KHz
[21:11] <streetuff> 0.985MHz
[21:11] <streetuff> on pal machines atleast
[21:11] <Joshun> booya - the one i posted earlier will work, but had a slight bug in one of the scripts. The corrected version will be put on Ubuntu One, and linked in the github readme
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[21:12] <Joshun> now 70% uploaded
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[21:14] <streetuff> silly_: if you like that kind of stuff.... here is a demo that i coded for the 20. birthday of our group trsi on commodore vic 20. the predecessor of the commodore 64 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI4BxAgjUS8
[21:15] <silly_> cool, thx
[21:15] * aaa801 is bored
[21:16] * IT_Sean gives aaa801 a broken raspberrypi board
[21:17] * aaa801 wonders how damaged
[21:17] <IT_Sean> lemme see it..
[21:17] * IT_Sean takes it back
[21:17] * IT_Sean snaps it in half, then hands the two halves back
[21:17] * streetuff gibes aaa801 a smd soldering needle
[21:17] <streetuff> *gives
[21:17] <IT_Sean> There... it's broken in half
[21:17] * aaa801 glues it back togeather and starts programming on it
[21:17] <IT_Sean> That's a handy trick. :p
[21:18] <aaa801> worked with my bank card =/
[21:18] <streetuff> its a jedi trick!
[21:18] <aaa801> taped it back togeather and lobed it in the atm
[21:18] <aaa801> worked fine xD
[21:18] <aaa801> well, once i found one that had a big enouth slot for the tape layer atleast
[21:18] <IT_Sean> the raspberrypi is a touch mre complex than a mag stripe card
[21:18] <aaa801> :P
[21:18] <aaa801> Just a touch
[21:19] * IT_Sean takes aaa801's raspi, drills a hole right through the middle of the SOC, then gives it back
[21:19] <IT_Sean> Try mending that!
[21:19] * aaa801 stares at the SOC..,
[21:19] * aaa801 uses quantom entanglement to fix
[21:19] <IT_Sean> :o
[21:19] <IT_Sean> HEY! THat's cheating!
[21:20] <aaa801> NOU
[21:20] <streetuff> silly_: here is another one for you. we won 1st place at the main demoscene party 2009 in south france with it -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjAZtoeU8Zo
[21:20] * aaa801 has a switch under his desk that is being held togeather with bluetack
[21:20] <silly_> what are you running on your pi? i installed arch
[21:21] <streetuff> debian
[21:21] <aaa801> Didnt have the power adapter for it, had one for a dead switch, riped off the jack and bluetacked the cables onto the solder points on the board
[21:22] <silly_> aaa801, like a bauss
[21:22] <aaa801> ikr
[21:22] <aaa801> i hate my network setup tbh
[21:22] <aaa801> =/
[21:23] <aaa801> Building wifi -> my pi -> ics -> switch -> pi+other shiz
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[21:23] <silly_> i think, i'll get a second pi to make my coffee machine wifi connected
[21:23] <hermanhermitage> hah
[21:23] <aaa801> Mhmm
[21:23] <aaa801> tryign to remember the name of a operating system
[21:24] <IT_Sean> CoTCP? Coffee over TCP?
[21:24] <aaa801> somewhat popular about 5 years ago
[21:24] <aaa801> Grr what was it called D:
[21:24] <aaa801> it looked like risc
[21:24] <aaa801> BeOS!
[21:24] <hermanhermitage> haiku
[21:25] <aaa801> wasnt haiku the open src of it?
[21:25] <silly_> we once did a prototype of GoTCP
[21:25] <silly_> guitar over tcp
[21:26] <aaa801> hermanhermitage: recon itl run on the pi?
[21:26] <silly_> the output of a pickup on ech string of a eguitar was filtered and encoded
[21:27] <aaa801> Mhm seems it has a arm port
[21:27] <aaa801> Might be worth a shot
[21:28] <silly_> with 6 strings an possible combinations we reached a decent baud rate, but the polling rate was rather fuzzy
[21:28] <hermanhermitage> i'm looking for bare metallers
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[21:29] <silly_> i'd remommend 'in flames' they got a new album ;)
[21:29] <hermanhermitage> maybe immortal
[21:29] <hermanhermitage> but i digress...
[21:30] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: black metal?
[21:30] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: ENJOY! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7piTcDllnY
[21:30] <streetuff> =D
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[21:34] <hermanhermitage> heh
[21:34] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=x7dCOCVzhwI
[21:34] <streetuff> <3
[21:35] <silly_> if you like doom, listen to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYXfX_nYNiE big sub recommended
[21:35] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: what about some good old stormtroopers of death?
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[21:35] <hermanhermitage> speak english or die!
[21:36] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: or electro punk like atari teenage riot. been on the concert last month
[21:36] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: yeah!
[21:36] <hermanhermitage> any demo scene interest in pi?
[21:36] <streetuff> i only code 8 bit demos on 6502
[21:36] <hermanhermitage> understood
[21:36] <deam> anyone ever compiled android stuff on the raspberry pi? I wonder if anyone knows about Android.mk files?
[21:36] <hermanhermitage> huge revival going on
[21:37] <streetuff> going to release something small at the nordlicht party next weekend
[21:37] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNKKAXtaxco
[21:37] <streetuff> <3
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[21:38] <silly_> deam, not so far, cause installing the sdk is quite a drudgery..
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[21:38] <streetuff> WE MOSH!
[21:38] <hermanhermitage> great stuff
[21:38] <deam> silly_: I would like to commpile one of the "external" programs, well I just might make my own Makefile
[21:39] <streetuff> yeah
[21:39] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: i like old stuff like -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pTRXboRhyI
[21:40] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: actually i like electronic music more
[21:40] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: but i'm always in for some old metal tracks
[21:40] <streetuff> got some electronic mixtapes up at http://streetuff.trsi.at/DJ-Placebo/
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[21:41] <streetuff> my latest mix is some drumstep http://www.daupara.de/DJ-Placebo_-_Everything-starts-with-a-WOB.mp3
[21:42] <booyaa> streetuff: you're part of trsi?
[21:42] <streetuff> booyaa: yes sir!
[21:42] <booyaa> WE'RE NOT WORTHY!
[21:42] <streetuff> booyaa: 8bit section
[21:42] <booyaa> WE'RE NOT WORTHY!
[21:42] <streetuff> booyaa: lol
[21:42] <hermanhermitage> one minute caught in a backlog of videos :_)
[21:42] <aaa801> Why cant all build systems be like this
[21:42] <aaa801> **** You seem to use a Debian system ****
[21:42] <aaa801> would you like to sudo apt-get install the needed tools ? (y/n) y
[21:43] <booyaa> streetuff: dude you guys were my favorites when i was a c64
[21:43] <streetuff> booyaa: i'm just the normal type with a 9 to 7 job...
[21:43] <streetuff> booyaa: k
[21:43] <booyaa> hahah so glad to see demoscene is still as strong :D
[21:43] <streetuff> booyaa: http://www.youtube.com/trsi64
[21:44] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: I AM THE LORD!
[21:44] <streetuff> :)
[21:44] <booyaa> heh [subscribe]
[21:45] <booyaa> whe gave my c64 (fool) i had just see an fli demo that had far too many colours on screen
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[21:45] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eJL7_vz4fk
[21:45] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: GRIND GRIND GRIND
[21:45] <hermanhermitage> where abouts are you?
[21:46] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: hannover/germany
[21:46] <hermanhermitage> i was visiting frankfurt the other year
[21:46] <hermanhermitage> i didnt get to many nightclub, just cocoon
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[21:46] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: the japanische kampfhoerspiele guys are from my town :)
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[21:47] <booyaa> well i have to say for a 30yo c64 still has it going on
[21:47] <booyaa> how many other computers can still innovate like this?
[21:47] <streetuff> :D
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[21:48] <streetuff> demowise there are so many possibilities.... i liked that one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzvMYE3PUn4
[21:49] <streetuff> such a well polished demo
[21:49] <booyaa> just saw on the side bar, fairlight are still going?
[21:49] <streetuff> they worked 7 years on thet one
[21:49] <streetuff> yeah
[21:50] <streetuff> i'm in contact with some of the fairlight guys
[21:50] <streetuff> mostly pantaloon
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[21:50] <booyaa> dude this is a killer demo btw
[21:50] <streetuff> yes
[21:50] <hermanhermitage> there was a big c64 revival happening in sweden too
[21:50] <streetuff> i know
[21:50] <streetuff> and there will be X party
[21:50] <streetuff> the bi anual c64 only party in holland this year again
[21:50] <booyaa> :D
[21:51] <streetuff> http://www.scs-trc.net/x2012/
[21:51] <streetuff> i'll be there
[21:51] <hermanhermitage> sweet
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[21:53] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: you probably mean THE dataparty in sweden
[21:54] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: aka datastorm 2012
[21:54] <booyaa> okay enough of this revelry for old loves, i need to stick raspbian on my pi
[21:54] <booyaa> :D
[21:54] <streetuff> hermanhermitage: some top releases there this year
[21:54] <hermanhermitage> hah
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[21:54] <hermanhermitage> so raspbian is the new standard?
[21:55] <streetuff> i wish i had the time and money to go to datastorm one day
[21:55] <booyaa> nah just working my way through 'em
[21:55] <streetuff> i wish there was aros for the rpi
[21:55] <booyaa> i've yet to see anything that uses the hf stuff that raspbian is compiled for
[21:55] <booyaa> streetuff: aros?
[21:55] <hermanhermitage> someone did a demo of that linuxy version
[21:55] <streetuff> http://aros.sourceforge.net/
[21:55] <booyaa> man that was a kick ass demo ddude
[21:56] <streetuff> :D
[21:56] <booyaa> isn't haiku also a nod to amiga os?
[21:56] <hermanhermitage> its hard to say
[21:56] <booyaa> aros > haiku?
[21:56] <hermanhermitage> the amiga style exec was a common approach in the early to mid 80s
[21:56] <streetuff> haiku is not aros... like linux is not unix
[21:56] <booyaa> okay
[21:56] <m4r35n357> haiku is modelled on BeOS
[21:56] <streetuff> yeah
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[21:57] <booyaa> ah
[21:57] <streetuff> apropos aros. i need to check how fast uae is under debian
[21:58] <streetuff> would be nice to play stuff like north vs. south with a competition usb on the rpi
[21:59] <booyaa> :D
[21:59] <streetuff> got north vs. south remake on my ipad
[21:59] <streetuff> its fun
[21:59] <booyaa> i reckon we've definitely got a gaming chapter in this channel
[21:59] <streetuff> they are just preparing an online version :)
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[22:00] <booyaa> if we can wean everyone off their obsession with quake :D
[22:00] <streetuff> i'd rather see duke nukem on the pi than quake :)
[22:00] <streetuff> or some old commander keen
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[22:01] <Code_Bleu> has anyone installed xbmc on raspbian..directly on the raspberry pi? Im afraid its going to take DAYS to finish. just curious if anyone else has done this and how long it took?
[22:01] <streetuff> :D
[22:01] <booyaa> but then i realised how trixsy it was to configure
[22:01] <streetuff> booyaa: did you see my screenshot of dosbox?
[22:01] <booyaa> streetuff: no?
[22:01] <SIFTU> Code_Bleu: took me about 11 hours
[22:01] <streetuff> http://www.daupara.de/w98-rpi.jpg
[22:01] <SIFTU> Code_Bleu: some people report up to 20 hours
[22:02] <Code_Bleu> SIFTU: thanks for the heads up...now if i could only remember when i started it ;-)
[22:02] <booyaa> streetuff: sweet! windows 9x?
[22:02] <streetuff> 98
[22:02] <streetuff> booyaa: its rat slow
[22:03] <streetuff> booyaa: dont even try...
[22:03] <booyaa> ah well thanks for saving me the effort
[22:03] <streetuff> :D
[22:03] <booyaa> would've been nice to play some old dos games
[22:03] <streetuff> w98 is slow
[22:04] <streetuff> dont know about dos games. didnt tryed
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[22:06] <booyaa> to think if we had the capabilities then to do this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcVa0zviOJw&feature=player_detailpage#t=451s
[22:06] <booyaa> i think space harrier would've been awesome
[22:10] <dlynes> There was a good demo done for Android also, to show off the OpenGL ES capabilities
[22:10] <dlynes> I would imagine it wouldn't take much porting effort to get that demo on rpi
[22:10] <dlynes> Either rewrite it in C++, or in Python
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[22:12] <bnmorgan> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/556631_481376838557033_326270151_n.jpg
[22:13] <bnmorgan> oops
[22:14] <prpplague> wmat: http://elinux.org/index.php?title=RPI_Screw_Connector_Breakout_Board&curid=24266&diff=149978&oldid=149816
[22:14] <prpplague> wmat: that is an example one
[22:15] <wmat> I see now
[22:16] <prpplague> wmat: looks like it is pretty previlant in the RPi pages
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[22:16] <wmat> I'm just trying to do a search on the domain to find all of those types of links
[22:17] <prpplague> wmat: dandy
[22:17] <prpplague> wmat: i suspect mark yoder 's crowd has been using them as well
[22:17] <booyaa> right backing up sd card (need to find my spare)
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[22:21] <wmat> prpplague: were you finding them simply by eyeballing pages?
[22:21] <prpplague> wmat: yea
[22:21] <prpplague> wmat: i stumbled on one and just kept following them around
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[22:29] <prpplague> wmat: not bad down to 141 from 170+ earlier
[22:29] <wmat> nice
[22:29] <wmat> i keep finding other things that I'm fixing as I go
[22:30] <Detritus> Grrrr fudge knuckles!!! I really want to move root over to my external hard drive. The kernel sees the device at boot time just fine, however /dev/sda is usable until after root is mounted and udev has a chance to run and populate /dev. So I guess I'm going to need to run initramfs to do it... Only I'm havin a heck of a time getting that setup, because I've never s setup an initramfs envirnment before and the pi bootload
[22:30] <Detritus> makes it a bit had to puse initramfs in the first place.
[22:30] <Detritus> Anyone have some simular running?
[22:31] <Detritus> "is usable" = "isn't usable"
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> udev is evil!
[22:31] <Draylor> Detritus: :D
[22:31] <SpeedEvil> Static /dev makes it _so_ much easier.
[22:32] <Detritus> Ya, well that's not an option
[22:32] <Draylor> im figuring if i wait a bit there'll be a nice simple installer to set that up for me
[22:32] <Draylor> i really cant be bothered spending hours/days fighting with it myself
[22:32] <Detritus> I'm running gentoo. I'm used to fighting with stuff :)
[22:33] <Draylor> lols
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[22:34] <prpplague> wmat: just a quick look, i think we can get it down below 50
[22:36] <wmat> prpplague: yep, i just knocked off a few more
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[22:40] <Gadget-Mac> prpplague / wmat Good works :)
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[22:42] <wmat> prpplague: power just went off
[22:42] <wmat> storm rolling in
[22:43] <boomtakzaag> and remember children, always hide under the table when the nuclear alarm goes off!
[22:43] <Joshun> booya: image is finally ready for download, there is a link on the git page
[22:44] <Gadget-Mac> wmat: Are you moving RPi related pages to a common naming scheme ?
[22:45] <Mike632T> Joshun: Where ..?
[22:46] <Joshun> Mike632T https://github.com/Joshun/raspbian-joshun
[22:46] <Joshun> at the bottom of the readme
[22:47] <zgreg> Detritus: usb root works just fine here. the kernel doesn't need to "see" /dev/sda in the file system before mounting root (and how would that be possible at all?)
[22:47] <Detritus> You would think. But, I can't boot from it.
[22:48] <zgreg> do you have "rootwait" in the kernel command line?
[22:48] <Detritus> I've tried adding it and waiting as long at 50 seconds without helping
[22:48] <zgreg> hm. so how does it fail?
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[22:49] <Detritus> oops That was root_delay, but I have rootwait as well.
[22:49] <zgreg> if the kernel manages to mount the filesystem correctly, it's something different
[22:49] <Detritus> Doesn't see the device, kernel panics because it can't see the rootfs
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[22:51] <Detritus> I'm compiling a new kernel on the SD at the moment. When that's done I'm going to try booting off the HDD contents again.
[22:51] <zgreg> so you get the popular "VFS: unable to mount root fs" message? :)
[22:51] <Detritus> yes
[22:52] <zgreg> I suppose the HDD works fine if you boot from SD card?
[22:52] <Detritus> Yep
[22:52] <wmat> Gadget-Mac: not at the moment, but I'll be moving everything under the RaspberryPi namespace eventually
[22:52] <Detritus> I wonder if the device name is coming up as hda instead of sda until udev runs
[22:52] <Detritus> That could do it
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[22:52] <zgreg> Detritus: no
[22:52] <Gadget-Mac> wmat: Would I be helping if I did ?
[22:53] <antiisolo> hey i just received my raspberry pi today.. i quickly plugged in the power and plugged the hdmi from my tv in just to see it boot up, but nothing appears.. i then installed debian onto a sdcard, and tried, nothing.. should i atleast see a splash screen?
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[22:54] <Gadget-Mac> Don't want to wade in and cause problems, but wiling to help out
[22:54] <mjr> With a properly prepared sd card you should see something. (Without, no.)
[22:54] <Detritus> antiisolo: You'll see nothing until the firmware and kernel is loaded from the SD card. So if can't read those files you'll get nothing
[22:54] <wmat> Gadget-Mac: if you did what?
[22:55] <zgreg> Detritus: what's your full cmdline.txt?
[22:55] * wmat has to run
[22:55] <antiisolo> mjr, detritus: ah ok thanks.. is microsd card in one of those sdcard holders fine?
[22:55] <Gadget-Mac> Changed for example http://elinux.org/RaspberryPi_Boards to RPi_Boards
[22:55] <Detritus> some yes, some no
[22:55] <mjr> antiisolo, should be (though some individual card incompatibilities may apply)
[22:56] <reider59> Sometimes the HDMI connector needs a wiggle too. If you start the Pi before the TV is switched on and set to that HDMI connector that can cause problems for some.
[22:56] <Detritus> I have booted from a micro in a holder. It depnds on the SD cards. Check the list of compatible cards ... http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[22:57] <Detritus> zgreg: at the moment it's ... dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait obviously I replace mmcblk0p2 with sda2 when trying to boot from usb.
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[22:59] <zgreg> well, that looks normal
[22:59] <zgreg> a log for a failed boot might be useful
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[22:59] <Detritus> I'm probably missing something basic, or my usb<>sata bridge might be a piece of crap. :) I need to play with it more.
[22:59] <zgreg> if finding the device is the problem, you can use UUIDs with GPT partitions
[23:00] <booyaa> wow archlinux appears own this sd card at mo, going to have to gparted it
[23:00] <zgreg> that does not require an initramfs
[23:00] <Detritus> Good idea
[23:00] <Detritus> I'm using ms-dos paritions at the moment. I'll try that.
[23:02] <Mike632T> Has anyone compiled a kernel with I2C support for raspbian yet - is there a howto somewhere..?
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[23:11] <booyaa> okay pro-tip everyone, if you can't write your linux image onto your sd card check your free diskspace on your hdd
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[23:11] * booyaa forgot about temp space and i only had 1gb free
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[23:12] <Adya> Booya, you're online all the day:)
[23:12] <booyaa> :D
[23:12] <booyaa> it helps to ahve a shell acount
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[23:15] <booyaa> man i hope raspbian has ssh enabled by default
[23:15] <booyaa> i seem to think it does
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[23:18] <Joshun> booyaa - did you get the link - it finished uploading?
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[23:21] * gordonDrogon waves
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> just in from the exeter LUG met... now packing for cambridge tomorow!
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> Mike632T, bootc's kernel supports I2C - I've compiled it up myself, but thought the latest rpi-update kernel pulled it in?
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[23:23] <Mike632T> Hmm - I get Failed to download update for rpi-update!
[23:23] <Mike632T> Make sure you have ca-certificates installed and that the time is set correctly
[23:24] <Mike632T> It worked last time will try apt-get install ca-certificates just in cast it is that obvious :-)
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> pretty sure it's got some drivers in it as I talked something through disabling them at boot on the forums yesterday - the SPI driver set 2 output pins on!
[23:26] <booyaa> Joshun: no will have a look now
[23:26] <Joshun> its on the git page
[23:26] <booyaa> may have to hexxeh's raspbian is not taking
[23:26] <booyaa> ta
[23:27] <Joshun> its also a rather small image compared to the others
[23:28] <Mike632T> while I'm waiting for apt-get to finish I remember seeing a little guide on how to 'secure' your Pi - change default ssh keys etc etc But can't find it now - any one happen to have booked marked something like that..?
[23:29] <booyaa> Joshun: we need to get this torrenting already, i know dropbox is a short term fix. pretty certain they'll kill the link after x downloads
[23:30] <Joshun> booyaa, yeah, not sure where to torrent it exactly. I've posted a link in the Raspbian forum, hope someone will take a look...
[23:30] <Tomtiger11> RaspBMC is on my raspberry pi. Its still quite buggy though...
[23:31] <Joshun> Tomtiger11 - why not use OpenELEC - i've used it, seems brilliant so far even on a 256 mb card
[23:31] <SIFTU> Tomtiger11: I havent tried that, whats it doing? I havent found anything too bad with XBMC on raspbian
[23:31] <Tomtiger11> Joshun: Mainly because i couldnt find the download link!
[23:32] <Joshun> Tomtiger - if you wait a sec i'll link you
[23:32] <Joshun> Tomtiger11 ^
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[23:32] <Tomtiger11> SIFTU: The airplay somtimes crashes, if you exit xbmc, your put straight back into xbmc, and the file system doesnt load
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[23:33] <Joshun> Tomtiger11: http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Building_and_Installing_OpenELEC_for_Raspberry_Pi#Useful_links:
[23:33] <Tomtiger11> Thanks!
[23:33] <Joshun> I found it hard to find at first too
[23:33] <booyaa> heh first pull request bro :D
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[23:37] <Joshun> booyaa - still getting used to get, how do you activate requests?
[23:37] <Joshun> *git
[23:38] <booyaa> i think when you go back to the project, click on pull requests
[23:38] <booyaa> next to code / network /
[23:39] <booyaa> actually there's apull request button next to admin
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[23:39] <Joshun> oh it did it
[23:39] <Joshun> thanks
[23:40] <Joshun> surprised at how quick that was
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[23:41] <booyaa> joys of github
[23:41] <booyaa> they do make collabing easy
[23:41] <Joshun> its good that it has syntax highlighting too
[23:41] <booyaa> ah will have to fix it later on, should've wrapped the command line in ```
[23:41] <antiisolo> when i use dd i keep getting dd: writing `/dev/sdb': Input/output error
[23:41] <booyaa> can do it next time
[23:42] <antiisolo> and then 1949999104 bytes (1.9 GB) copied, 742.938 s, 2.6 MB/s
[23:42] <Joshun> antiisolo - sounds like either a dodgy device or not enough space
[23:43] <antiisolo> its a 8gig microsd
[23:43] <Joshun> also make sure you unmount active partitions on the device before running the command
[23:43] <Joshun> umount /dev/sdb1 etc.
[23:43] <antiisolo> joshun: yeah i have done that too
[23:43] <Joshun> seems odd
[23:43] <Joshun> if you write it at a slower speed does it work?
[23:44] <Joshun> add the parameter bs=1M
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[23:44] <antiisolo> i am using sudo dd bs=1M if=/home/solo/Downloads/debian6-19-04-2012/debian6-19-04-2012.img of=/dev/sdb
[23:44] <antiisolo> then after a little while, i get
[23:44] <antiisolo> dd: writing `/dev/sdb': Input/output error
[23:44] <antiisolo> 1859+1 records in
[23:44] <antiisolo> 1859+0 records out
[23:45] <Joshun> if you unplug it and plug it back in does it work
[23:45] <Joshun> and are you sure the device is /dev/sdb
[23:45] <Joshun> run
[23:45] <Joshun> dmesg | tail
[23:45] <Joshun> after plugging it in
[23:46] <antiisolo> ok that outputs:
[23:46] <antiisolo> [43497.176447] [<ffffffff8106f8c9>] ? ktime_get_ts+0x5f/0x85
[23:46] <antiisolo> [43497.176456] [<ffffffff8111ce65>] ? sys_select+0x8a/0xb5
[23:46] <antiisolo> [43497.176466] [<ffffffff81372cd2>] ? system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
[23:46] <antiisolo> [43784.376861] sdb: detected capacity change from 7822376960 to 0
[23:46] <antiisolo> [43787.726082] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] 15278080 512-byte logical blocks: (7.82 GB/7.28 GiB)
[23:46] <antiisolo> [43787.726221] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Cache data unavailable
[23:46] <antiisolo> [43787.726227] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[23:46] <antiisolo> [43787.726472] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Cache data unavailable
[23:46] <antiisolo> [43787.726478] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[23:46] <antiisolo> [43787.727411] sdb: sdb1
[23:47] <Joshun> definitely /dev/sdb then
[23:47] <Joshun> "sys_select+0x8a/0xb5
[23:47] <Joshun> <antiisolo> [43497.176466] [<ffffffff81372cd2>] ? system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1"
[23:47] <Joshun> doesnt look too good
[23:48] <Joshun> what if you open gparted, select the device sdb and do device>create partition table
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> only one partition - sdb1 ...
[23:48] <Joshun> that would erase the whole device
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[23:50] <antiisolo> Joshun: ok im at gparted, createparition but its saying itll make a ms-dos parition
[23:50] <Joshun> make sure you selected sdb from the drop down list
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[23:51] <Joshun> leave it on msdos
[23:51] <Joshun> and click ok
[23:51] <antiisolo> said error creating table -__-
[23:51] <Joshun> ouch
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[23:51] <Joshun> what if you do:
[23:52] <Joshun> sudo mkfs.vfat -I /dev/sdb
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[23:53] <antiisolo> i just put it in a usb sdcard reader instead.. and tried gparted, and no error
[23:53] <antiisolo> i was using an sdcard adapter during the other errors
[23:53] <Joshun> may be a bad adapter
[23:54] <Joshun> i remember doing something like this through a blackberry once and kept getting input/output splicing error
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[23:54] <antiisolo> yeah so i am going to try dd thru the usb device, and see how that goes
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[23:55] <Joshun> booyaa - got a reply: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=11128
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[23:56] <booyaa> haha nice one ;)
[23:56] <booyaa> frm mr. raspbian himself
[23:57] <booyaa> well i'm gonna plod along with hexxeh's version for a little longer only because it took so long to get this far
[23:57] <booyaa> you next on the list though
[23:58] <booyaa> i may stop trying distros if i can get motion and eyetoy ps2 working together
[23:58] <Joshun> lol thanks
[23:58] <Joshun> yeah i still have a ps2 too
[23:58] <booyaa> i do wonder if it's a power thing
[23:58] <booyaa> :D
[23:58] <booyaa> will get the multi meter out tomoz
[23:59] <Joshun> :D

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