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IRC Log for 2012-07-15

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[0:01] <Javafant> I'm not so interested in the mechanics of creating an ultimate doorbell, even though it looks awesome. I was more thinking about using a camera and then some face recoginition.
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[0:06] <reider59> That`s possible from the doorbell end
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[0:42] <Syliss> cool, got a dremel from my in-laws and shaved down the hdmi and usb connecter for the lapdock
[0:43] <reider59> you sold your inlaws for the price of a Dremel?
[0:43] <reider59> oh from not for lol
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[0:45] <reider59> I have a cheap version of a dremel as part of a kit from Maplins, dead useful tool
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[0:47] <Syliss> haha
[0:47] <Syliss> yeah, crap i was going to go to harbor freight today, ill go tomorrow
[0:48] <Syliss> my wife has one for her nails but won't let me use it
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[0:50] <reider59> I used mine a lot building my train set. Adding my own tunnel, lights, trackswitches etc
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[0:50] <Syliss> cool
[0:51] <Syliss> ugh i cannot wait for the new raspbian
[0:51] <Syliss> I'm thinking of ov'ing too
[0:51] <Syliss> cause 1ghz would be nice
[0:52] <reider59> Made a control panel from cardboard, with switches, buttons etc on a nd LEDs to show the present location of any of 3 trains. So I could throw the points from the panel and adjust the stoplights, amber and green signals.
[0:52] <Syliss> nice
[0:53] <SIFTU> Syliss: why do you need a new raspbian to overclock it to 1Ghz?
[0:53] <reider59> good fun but I had some electrical work done with a new shower in the bathroom and they needed access behind it all so I took it down.
[0:54] <reider59> It`s the main corner feed up from the fues box
[0:54] <reider59> *fuse
[0:55] <Syliss> SIFTU, its not about the os for ov'ing. the new raspbian will have hf in it so it will be at least smoother
[0:55] <SIFTU> Syliss: the current raspbian has that
[0:56] <Syliss> yes but its supposed to be better in the next couple days
[0:56] <SIFTU> hmm really, do you have a link?
[0:57] <Syliss> its on raspberrypi.org
[0:58] <SIFTU> oh so it's just a new image, not a new raspbian
[0:58] <Syliss> correct
[0:58] <prpplague> Syliss: why cut the connectors on the lapdock?
[0:58] <Syliss> prpplague: i didn't, i was shaving the adapters i got off ebay for the
[0:59] <Syliss> lapdock
[0:59] <prpplague> Syliss: ahh
[0:59] <SIFTU> Syliss: still why not just use the existing installer.. or one of the images.. you get the benifits immediately
[0:59] <Syliss> i am using it, but it isn't as fast/smooth as it could be
[0:59] <prpplague> Syliss: i just replace the connectors on the lapdock with female connectors, makes things a lot easier
[0:59] <Syliss> its getting better tho
[1:00] <Syliss> prpplague, i want to use it for other stuff later
[1:00] <prpplague> Syliss: such as?
[1:00] <Syliss> like if i can get ahold of a moto phone that has webtop
[1:00] <prpplague> Syliss: female connectors are standard, so you can just use regular cabled
[1:00] <prpplague> cables
[1:01] <Syliss> i know they are standard but if i ever want to try and sell it, it will sell better non modified
[1:01] <SIFTU> Syliss: i dont think it's going to get any faster
[1:02] <Syliss> meh
[1:02] <prpplague> Syliss: ahh, well i can't image anyone wanting to purchase one used when they are so cheap now days
[1:02] <Syliss> well i have to get, bbiab
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[1:02] <Syliss> prpplague: people are stupid in my area
[1:02] <prpplague> Syliss: hehe, ah ok
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[1:05] <freezer> raspbmc runs really nice
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[1:43] <necreo> archlinux as well :)
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[2:50] <guidov> i recently got a raspberry pi. is it normal that it's so slow, when i'm editing in vim in x windows it takes like half a second for a keypress to respond. also my own software is about 70 times slower than on my development machine, which in terms of megaherz is about 4 times 700mhz, not taking into account multithreadedness though
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[2:51] <vjacob> guidov, interesting question
[2:52] <SIFTU> guidov: they arnt speed deamons but there are a few things you can do
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[2:52] <guidov> SIFTU: such as?
[2:53] <SIFTU> guidov: I found the fastest combo was using raspbian and overclocking
[2:54] <guidov> is the different in speed between the latest official debian build for raspberry pi and raspbian significant?
[2:54] <SIFTU> guidov: yes
[2:54] <guidov> ok, i'll look into it
[2:54] <guidov> is the raspberry pi supposed to be able to run quake btw? i recall that was one of their selling points or something in an earlier stage
[2:55] <SIFTU> guidov: sometimes double the performance, sometimes a little bit more depending on what you are doing
[2:55] <guidov> ok, cool, thanks
[2:55] <SIFTU> guidov: yeah anything using the GPU is quite usable, it's just the CPU which is slow
[2:56] <SIFTU> guidov: unfortunatley all the X stuff is using CPU
[2:57] <guidov> ok
[2:59] <guidov> i think it's still a little odd that an application is 70 times slower than on a 2.4 ghz x86 machine (multicore though, my app uses 2 threads, so). can this be ascribed to the debian kernel, the difference in meaning of the term megaherz of the respective architectures, or what?
[2:59] <SIFTU> but 2 totally different arch's
[3:00] <guidov> true
[3:00] <SIFTU> guidov: if your application does much floating point stuff you will notice a nice improvement
[3:00] <guidov> it doesn't do any floating point stuff at all
[3:01] <guidov> and it only uses a 2D SDL window for basic drawing
[3:01] <guidov> but yeah. i'll try the alternatives that you recommended
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[3:07] <lrvick> Anyone know any solid motion sensors that work with the pi?
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[3:37] <Syliss> which image do u use SIFTU ?
[3:38] <SIFTU> Syliss: i did a raspbian install a few weeks ago
[3:38] <Syliss> which one?
[3:39] <Syliss> hexxeh or pisces?
[3:40] <SIFTU> Syliss: the actual installer
[3:41] <buZz> http://gallery.nurdspace.nl/picture.php?/102/category/5
[3:41] <buZz> woot
[3:41] <buZz> raspi with builtin psu ;)
[3:41] <Syliss> ah
[3:42] <SIFTU> Syliss: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[3:43] <Syliss> meh
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[3:47] <steve_rox> finally , after jumping thu many hoops of annoyance :-P
[3:47] <ReggieUK> :)
[3:47] <steve_rox> and im guessing room is dead ;-)
[3:48] <buZz> yeah
[3:48] <ReggieUK> nope
[3:48] <buZz> weird
[3:48] <buZz> such a busy room
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[3:58] <steve_rox> been testing the pi and its video playback
[3:58] <steve_rox> chips get damn hot
[3:59] <Syliss> well yeah
[3:59] <Syliss> how hot and any oc?
[3:59] <steve_rox> i think i measured it at 59'c
[3:59] <steve_rox> but i read its rated 70'c max
[4:01] <Syliss> then you're fine
[4:01] <buZz> anyone want to see my raspi project?
[4:01] <Syliss> sure...
[4:01] <buZz> http://nurdspace.nl/Wearable_Computer
[4:01] <steve_rox> i still dont like it getting that hot
[4:02] <buZz> i will be running the raspi inside my jacket, might need to add some fan to suck in air :P
[4:03] <buZz> Syliss: any opinions? :)
[4:03] <steve_rox> that bg image keeps tricking me into thinking i have filth on my screen
[4:03] <steve_rox> ;)
[4:03] <steve_rox> reading
[4:03] <buZz> hehe
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[4:04] <buZz> i'm quite in love with my latest case
[4:04] <steve_rox> whats its primary purpose and erm display/power source?:-P
[4:05] <buZz> only purpose is fun
[4:05] <steve_rox> oh wow a camcorder scope
[4:05] <steve_rox> vhs compsite
[4:05] <buZz> power source are 18650 cells, li-ion cells salvaged from broken laptop batteries
[4:05] <Syliss> that screen is crazy small
[4:05] <buZz> yes
[4:05] <buZz> it is :P
[4:05] <steve_rox> wanted to be able to get one them for ages
[4:05] <buZz> i have two, maybe three
[4:05] <buZz> easy to find ;)
[4:05] <buZz> buy some old camcorder with a big viewfinder :D
[4:05] <steve_rox> every time i got a scrap vhs camcorder id run into problems
[4:06] <Syliss> I've been making the lap dock mod.
[4:06] <buZz> every one i try is just +5v gnd and composite
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[4:06] <buZz> Syliss: like ben heck's ?
[4:06] <steve_rox> the wires never colored etc
[4:06] <steve_rox> i dont like guessing
[4:06] <buZz> of course :)
[4:06] <buZz> you dont have to guess
[4:06] <buZz> biggest blob of copper -> ground
[4:06] <buZz> capacitor between that blob and one other pin -> probably +5v
[4:07] <buZz> then just poke composite video to the other pins
[4:07] <steve_rox> that old vhs camcorder electrcuted me
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[4:07] <buZz> hehe they can be grumby :)
[4:07] <steve_rox> 240v up me arm
[4:07] <Syliss> no, with a motorola lapdock, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004M17D62/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=syliss-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=B004M17D62&adid=02G93ZWBMA814N7K1HEM&
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[4:08] <buZz> awesome Syliss :D
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[4:08] <steve_rox> finding a cheap display is a nightmare
[4:08] <buZz> wow 60 dollars O_o
[4:08] <Syliss> yeah
[4:08] <steve_rox> and what about power source ?
[4:08] <buZz> 04:04 <+buZz> power source are 18650 cells, li-ion cells salvaged from broken laptop batteries
[4:08] <buZz> the powersupply inside the raspi case is some buck convertor i found on ebay
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[4:08] <steve_rox> some kinda regulator in place to lower voltage?
[4:08] <buZz> :)
[4:09] <Syliss> all u need is a micro usb female and micro hdmi female adapter.
[4:09] <buZz> http://nurdspace.nl/File:Wearable-case-test2b.jpg <- that display on top is the regulator
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[4:09] <steve_rox> that image is 404
[4:09] <buZz> those squares are buttons (they now have been filled with the proper buttons)
[4:09] <buZz> steve_rox: ctrl-f5
[4:09] <buZz> stupid aggressive caching
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[4:10] <steve_rox> i have no idea what that shortcut key combo did
[4:10] <steve_rox> i just hope my cookies dident vanish
[4:10] <buZz> superreload :)
[4:10] <buZz> nah
[4:10] <buZz> but you have the picture now? :)
[4:10] <steve_rox> yeah
[4:10] <steve_rox> open source pi bomb? ;-)
[4:11] <buZz> that case is based on http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:16104
[4:11] <buZz> steve_rox: no bomb :) unless the explosion is my presence :P
[4:11] <steve_rox> :-D hehe
[4:12] <buZz> ok gotta close the hackerspace now
[4:12] <steve_rox> it would be a smart bomb with internet access if it was heh
[4:12] <buZz> way too late
[4:12] <steve_rox> i dont have a case for my pi yet
[4:12] <buZz> find someone with a 3d printer :)
[4:12] <steve_rox> and the website i was going to use has a 2 week wait time of annoyance
[4:12] <buZz> i have actually trashed some raspi cases already
[4:13] <buZz> because of iterative designing (aka, i am lazy)
[4:13] <steve_rox> trashed em?
[4:13] <buZz> well they are in the PLA recycle bin
[4:14] <steve_rox> oh
[4:14] <buZz> of course i am willing to trade a new printed case ;)
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[4:15] <steve_rox> why does every case manufacture have to print their websites url all over em too? :-P
[4:15] <buZz> arcol doesnt :)
[4:15] <steve_rox> is it not enough you pay for a case they get free advertiseing on em?
[4:15] <buZz> http://www.indiegogo.com/arcol-raspi
[4:17] <steve_rox> unfortinate they are not in the uk
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[4:17] <buZz> well who is :P
[4:18] <steve_rox> nice case im guessing mega expensive tho
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[4:19] <buZz> steve_rox: price is on the page ....
[4:19] <steve_rox> https://www.modmypi.com/shop/raspberry-pi-cases/raspberry-pi-case-black-red
[4:20] <steve_rox> was thinkin about that
[4:20] <steve_rox> but says a 2 week wait :-P
[4:21] <buZz> 2 weeks is nothing :P
[4:21] <buZz> i just waited 5 weeks for that regulator
[4:21] <Arch-MBP> it is if you are impatient
[4:22] <steve_rox> which regulator?
[4:23] <buZz> man goldfish
[4:23] <buZz> 04:08 <+buZz> http://nurdspace.nl/File:Wearable-case-test2b.jpg <- that display on top is the regulator
[4:24] <Arch-MBP> buZz: says no file by this name exists
[4:24] <steve_rox> i thought you ment some voltage regulator thing
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[4:34] <Syliss> modmypi cases are a little expensive
[4:34] <steve_rox> do you know a alternative from the uk?
[4:35] <steve_rox> now i have to think of some grand purpose for the pi
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[4:36] <steve_rox> supriseingly xmbc media player reconises a windows remote control
[4:36] <steve_rox> but keys need remapping
[4:46] <Syliss> well I'm from the usa so still 10 pounds is a lot
[4:47] <steve_rox> i guess
[4:47] <steve_rox> based on conversions
[4:47] <Syliss> yep
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[4:48] <steve_rox> i guess they cant meet demand fast enough
[4:49] <Syliss> so liz said that the model A should be starting production in sept
[4:52] <steve_rox> i see
[4:53] <steve_rox> i wouldent have much use for it
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[4:54] <Syliss> ill get one for my lapdock unless i can find a cheap mk802 or something of the like
[4:54] <steve_rox> i need a cheap portable display somehow
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[5:03] <Syliss> how big?
[5:04] <JMichaelX> my lapdock is supposed to arrive on monday :-D
[5:04] <steve_rox> doesent have to be super big
[5:04] <JMichaelX> however, i'll probably be waiting until all of the cables arrive
[5:05] <Syliss> JMichaelX: yeah depends on where you bought them
[5:06] <JMichaelX> the micro-HDMI to HDMI cable arrived today... but yea, a few of the cables i ordered from china. it could take several weeks
[5:06] <buZz> Arch-MBP: refresh, it really is there
[5:07] <Syliss> JMichaelX yeah i got al the ones i need but i may order others later
[5:07] <JMichaelX> a few months back, i busted the LCD on my HTC Evo 3D. i ordered a replacement LCD+digitizer from china on June 13. it just arrived yesterday, July 13.
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[5:08] <Syliss> i want this, http://www.sparkfun.com/products/9614
[5:08] <Syliss> wow
[5:09] <JMichaelX> yea, but i have seen that happen before
[5:09] <JMichaelX> i hope my cables come more quickly than that
[5:09] <Syliss> which ones?
[5:11] <JMichaelX> well, i ordered all of them on ebay, i believe. so i still do not have any of them but the uHDMI to HDMI
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[5:14] <JMichaelX> i take that back, i see that i do already have a make uUSB to male USB.
[5:14] <JMichaelX> that would mean that i srill lack 2 cables and an adapter
[5:14] <JMichaelX> still*
[5:14] <JMichaelX> male*
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[5:22] <JMichaelX> https://plus.google.com/photos/102495332412423336353/albums/5759622493987044801
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[5:27] <buZz> steve_rox: that regulator _is_ a voltage regulator, the display part just reads input/output voltage and used ampere ;)
[5:28] <Cael> Lession 101 dont ask for anything rasp-pi wise in #debian they had an ittchy kick/Ban finger.. but.
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[5:28] <buZz> Cael: you needed 100 previous lessons to arrive here? ;)
[5:28] <Cael> i was trying to fix FCEU and had to do export AUDIODRIVER=alsa (still got no sound) now ScummVM will crash reguardless of sound settings in LXDE, if not it just complains about no Midi Device
[5:29] <Cael> lol was first time i asked there it seemed like mentioning the pi was an instant F*you to em
[5:29] <JMichaelX> would it not likely be possible to use one of the motorola lapdocks with other [non-motorola] phones?
[5:29] <buZz> well LXDE sound settings wouldnt affect scummvm or fceu?
[5:30] <Cael> if i do though run ScummVM w/o LXDE running no sound (and yes i did modprobe the sound module.
[5:30] <Cael> it was working fine till i did that though for scummVM
[5:30] <buZz> well no clue, might be some sound daemon running
[5:30] <Cael> i dont know what the default would be and i dont want to haveto reimage the SD
[5:33] <Cael> something when i was installing dependacies for compiling OpenTTD installed TMiddy.
[5:34] <Cael> that might explain the no music but not complete lack of sound
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[5:58] <Cael> looks like i haveto reimage. i reset to default and removed TMiddy and still no sound not even out of the media player. (but i do out of Raspbmc so the pi's Sound port has not failed.)
[5:58] <Cael> hmm go again with Squeeze or try Wheezy
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[7:22] <Syliss> kinda dead tonight, plus the net splits
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[7:23] <factoid_> anyone possibly able to help me resolve an HDMI issue on the pi?
[7:24] <factoid_> I can't find anything that exactly matches what I'm seeing, and I've tried some of the proposed work arounds anyway.
[7:24] <factoid_> for other issues.
[7:25] <factoid_> basically HDMI blanks periodically. It's not off long enough to get "no signal" from the TV, but it's off quite a bit, and my voltmeter indicates that my TP1 to TP2 voltage is holding steady at 4.95
[7:25] <factoid_> tried hdmi_safe=1 in config.txt too, no luck.
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[7:27] <Syliss> anything in the usb ports?
[7:29] <factoid_> I switched to video out and it seems to be stable.
[7:29] <cehteh> factoid_: what cabel length?
[7:29] <factoid_> I do have a USB keyboard and mouse on the ports.
[7:29] <factoid_> that's it. Cable is...
[7:30] <factoid_> probably about a meter.
[7:30] <cehteh> mhm should be no problem
[7:30] <factoid_> maybe less...
[7:30] <Syliss> factoid_: try unplugging the mouse and keyboard
[7:30] <factoid_> kk.
[7:30] <cehteh> well voltmeter cant detect voltage drops
[7:31] <cehteh> yes unplug them .. and check cable and sockets
[7:31] <cehteh> you may increase the hdmi drive strength but i doubt thats the case
[7:31] <cehteh> cause
[7:32] <Syliss> cehteh: i have an adapter thats like 2 inches and works fine
[7:32] <factoid_> usb devices unplugged... just the HDMI out connected, still the same thing.
[7:32] <cehteh> mine works with keyboard and mouse and hdmi->dvi monitor
[7:32] <factoid_> On most of the time, cuts out randomly
[7:33] <cehteh> has your monitor some menu to give information about the current mode?
[7:33] <Syliss> do you have any other cables?
[7:33] <cehteh> check that if its sane or something off the spec
[7:33] <factoid_> it's my tv... I can see if it does.
[7:33] <factoid_> it's an LG, just in case that's an automatic red flag.
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[7:36] <Syliss> factoid_: try hdmi_force_hotplug=1
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[7:36] <factoid_> bringing up one of the info panels indicates that it keeps reconnecting. 1360x768@60hz... I tried that before, no luck. I've currently got hdmi_safe=1 in my /boot/config.txt
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[7:37] <factoid_> I am powering it with a blackberry charger. 5VDC @ 700mA, but I have a 1A supply I bought as well and it doesn't seem to fare any better.
[7:37] <factoid_> I assumed at first this was a supply issue, but I'm not so sure.
[7:37] <Syliss> 700 is kinda low, 1a should be minimum
[7:38] <factoid_> I'll switch to the 2nd one now that I've got the config file in place and see if that makes a difference.
[7:38] <Syliss> do you only have 1 cable?
[7:38] <cehteh> try hdmi_drive=4 or whatever
[7:40] <factoid_> just the one cable. bought at walmart, their Onn brand iirc, but I've been using it on my ps3 with zero issue.
[7:40] <cehteh> 700mA is too low
[7:41] <cehteh> it may slightly work but as load increases votage drops
[7:41] <factoid_> 1A not enough either? The site page was saying 700-1250mA
[7:42] <factoid_> I'm on the 1A supply now, same issue, just trying to get the config.txt updated now.
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[7:43] <cehteh> can you ssh into it?
[7:44] <cehteh> well most of this power supplies are designed as chargers even when they provide 1A the voltage may drop
[7:44] <cehteh> charging a phone will still work at 4.25 Volts .. raspberrypi dont
[7:45] <cehteh> so you need some good power supply, even if the rpi only draws less than 1A .. the voltage must not drop
[7:46] <factoid_> Anything decent you can get off the shelf at walmart or the like? What's a decent supply going to run.
[7:46] * cehteh got a 2A power supply .. that runs fine, and later i can add more hardware to it (after replacing the fuses :P)
[7:47] <factoid_> and I assume that the video out doesn't draw as much, since it doesn't have the same blanking issue?
[7:47] <factoid_> also, hdmi_drive=4 <--- no signal now.
[7:47] <factoid_> gonna switch back to video and revert the file.
[7:48] <factoid_> would that indicate that the 1A supply isn't up to snuff either?
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[7:49] <cehteh> no idea
[7:50] <factoid_> I would assume there's no points on the board I can connect an ammeter to and check the draw?
[7:51] <factoid_> the voltage across tp1-tp2 remained at 4.95V at all times, even when the display was blanked for extended periods of time.
[7:52] <factoid_> these aren't short blanking periods... couple of seconds, at least to the TV, maybe they are happening too fast to catch with the meter.
[7:52] <factoid_> Don't have a scope handy... :(
[7:52] <cehteh> yep you would need a scope for that :P
[7:52] <cehteh> and no ampere must be measured in series no test pads for that
[7:53] <factoid_> Yeah. I'm not about to splice it into the lead from the supply either, might make it hard to return it to the store. :)
[7:53] <cehteh> (besides consumers measuring it wrong would create a short, keeping the multimeter at A when they want to measure V)
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[7:53] <cehteh> you are on the latest firmware?
[7:54] <factoid_> probably not? Just got it yesterday from Newark...
[7:54] <factoid_> command to check that?
[7:54] <cehteh> uhm dunno
[7:55] <cehteh> google for 'rpi-update'
[7:57] <factoid_> found the command on the wiki.
[7:58] <factoid_> version 310376
[7:58] <factoid_> Seems that's not up to date...
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[8:00] <factoid_> currently on an ubuntu netbook with an SD reader, that was how I flashed it in the first place. I'll see if I can use their instructions to update the firmware from it. I don't have an easy way to get the pi on the net from here.
[8:01] <cehteh> no ssh/network cable? you can work headless
[8:03] <factoid_> unfortunately no.. otherwise I'd just connection share through the net book.
[8:04] <factoid_> I'm gonna dig around for a spare cable... this looks much simpler if the pi is online...
[8:05] <factoid_> gotta be one somewhere... :)
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[8:12] <factoid__> I must have dropped, found a cat5...
[8:13] <factoid__> also, nickserv newb question, how do I become just factoid, minus the __
[8:13] <factoid__> nick isn't doing the trick, nor did /msg nickserv identify...
[8:15] <Syliss> it might be taken
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[8:18] <factoid__> got it...
[8:19] <factoid__> that hdmi_drive=4 was wrong, should have been config_hdmi_boost=4... that seems to have done the trick.
[8:19] <factoid__> hdmi signal is stable now...
[8:21] <cehteh> ah yes my fault i meant the boost
[8:21] <cehteh> cool .. i didnt expected that that does the trick
[8:23] <factoid__> [not] ironcially... the entry in the wiki says to do this if the display blanks periodically...
[8:23] <factoid__> but "periodic blanking" isn't explicitly listed under the main headings as stuff we can fix.
[8:23] <factoid__> so -50 points from me for not RTFM, -50 to the wiki for a terrible TOC.
[8:24] <factoid__> now for the fun job... :) I'm ultimately trying to turn this thing into a first computer for my 3yr old son.
[8:25] <factoid__> since if he accidentally destroys a $35 computer, I'm not going to lose much sleep.
[8:25] <factoid__> Does anyone know if there are any efforts underway to get any of the kid linux distros ported to pi/arm6?
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[8:26] <factoid__> I was gonna take a stab at doing this for qimo, unless there's already something else to work off of.
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[8:39] <Syliss> puppy linux is great
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[8:39] <Syliss> and its already in the works
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[8:47] <factoid__> puppy doesn't look like it's a kid's distro explicitly... but worth a peek.
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[8:51] <factoid__> and unfortunately it looks like a number of the kids ones are based on ubuntu, which doesn't seem to be arm6 compatible.
[8:51] <factoid__> anyway... stuff's working well enough for tonight... thanks for the help
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[9:10] <megatog615> what's that simple networking daemon in the default debian image called?
[9:10] <megatog615> was wondering if it was for i386/x86_64
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[9:46] <reider59> suns up, washing on, a nice brew made, another day begins.....hi all
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[10:11] <JMichaelX> reider59: where do you live?
[10:11] <JMichaelX> or do you just keep odd hours?
[10:11] <reider59> Warrington, UK
[10:12] <reider59> 09:15am
[10:12] <JMichaelX> ahhh
[10:12] <JMichaelX> i'm in the midwestern US... and i keep odd hours
[10:13] <reider59> I do occasionally, pain keeps me awake so getting on the net 3-4am or staying on the net til then is not unheard of
[10:14] <reider59> Then I zonk out for a few days
[10:14] <JMichaelX> i was born with a broken internal clock
[10:14] <reider59> yes, I`ve come across that and the sleep thing too
[10:18] <`z> broken internal cock
[10:18] <reider59> keep it clean mate, kids get on here
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[10:22] * JMichaelX entirely misses what might be dirty about that
[10:22] <JMichaelX> which is fine
[10:22] <reider59> Not you, Z
[10:23] <reider59> last word of the sentence
[10:24] <JMichaelX> an, see it now
[10:25] <reider59> This site may not be official Raspberry Pi but to all intents and purposes it represents an organisation set up to help kids. So we have to be careful what we say
[10:27] <JMichaelX> i'd totally agree with that
[10:36] <reider59> aggghhh! Catch 22 situation with root status and vnc tunnel. Got round it for now but it`s becoming a bind.
[10:36] <reider59> I hate having to do 10 things just to run 1 thing
[10:39] <reider59> ahhhhh! So much better! I updated Pi and now Geany shows white behind my LCD programming. Instead of a green colour that almost made the text invisible.
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[10:40] <Xark> reider59: What kind of update? apt-get?
[10:40] <reider59> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
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[10:40] <Xark> reider59: On which distro?
[10:41] <reider59> Debian wheezy
[10:41] * Xark needs to dig up another SD card to try Wheezy...
[10:41] <reider59> So much better now
[10:43] <reider59> Wheezy is a beta but close to final. It`s much faster and more stable than Debian Squeeze. Has a menu at the start to use the empty space on the SD Card, add a new password etc.... Sound and SSH are automatically started so the SSH entry in the menu is just to turn it off.
[10:44] <reider59> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435
[10:44] <reider59> That`s the location for it
[10:46] <Xark> Thanks. Just snagged a 4GB SD from a seldom used camera. :)
[10:47] <megatog615> just switched my xbmc htpc over to stream entirely from my raspberrypi
[10:48] <reider59> It`s well worth using and much much faster than Debian Squeeze
[10:49] <reider59> I need to try out Raspbian again today, see how it`s progressed, if it`s worth keeping on.
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[11:45] <streetuff> morning
[11:45] <streetuff> http://www.daupara.de/uae-rpi.jpg
[11:45] <streetuff> amiga emulation on the rpi
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[11:47] <Javafant> Can I connect the 3.3V output of the Raspberry Pi directly to a gpio pin if I have the pull down/up resistor activated or do I need an external resistor
[11:47] <johntramp> you probably want a current limiting resistor
[11:48] <Javafant> So just put a 10ko resistor in front of the pin?
[11:50] <Javafant> I thought that the pull down resistor would already limit the current
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[12:23] <johntramp> Javafant: no, the pulldown res will pull the voltage down to 0v when you disconnect the 3v source
[12:23] <Javafant> ok thx
[12:24] <johntramp> the current limiting res is to save your gpio pin incase you have it configured as an output low
[12:25] <johntramp> ie creating a short between 3v and gnd
[12:25] <Javafant> So if I would configure it correctly as an input it would be ok?
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[12:27] <johntramp> some times like during boot you won't know what state the pin is in
[12:27] <Javafant> Ok so I'll put in a 10ko resistor to be save
[12:28] <johntramp> yes
[12:28] <johntramp> why are you wanting to do this anyway?
[12:28] <johntramp> or is it on a switch
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[12:58] <Javafant> johntramp: I have a switch between the 3,3V and the gpio pin
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[14:17] <chandoo> good Morning
[14:17] <TeeCee> Morning, guys!
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[14:55] <tnovelli> Anyone know if there's been progress getting graphics to work without the binary blob?
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[15:05] <Civil> what should be used for Xorg? fbdev?
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[15:22] <rm> tnovelli, without the blob it will not even boot
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[15:23] <rm> but then, afaik graphics works without any additional blobs, via the "fbdev" driver
[15:23] <rm> no acceleration, though
[15:23] <TeeCee> What is this blob you speak of?
[15:23] <rm> *jedi wave* "This isn't the blob you're looking for"
[15:24] <TeeCee> OK
[15:24] <rm> anyways, afaik there's a 18 MB blob in the boot partition
[15:24] <Civil> rm: what should be used for X11?
[15:24] <rm> fbdev
[15:24] <tnovelli> rm: cool, that's what I wanted to know, that I can get *some* video
[15:24] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/592
[15:25] <TeeCee> Hmm... I thing I will try Raspbian... Any recommended install method? Should I just go for the pisces-image?
[15:25] <rm> afaik you can't get video playback in Xorg
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[15:26] <Civil> rm: fbdev :(
[15:27] <tnovelli> I mean video output to HDMI/RCA, for a text console, for example :)
[15:28] <tnovelli> I want to get the raspi running without Linux
[15:28] <TeeCee> ?
[15:28] <rm> writing your own OS?
[15:29] <tnovelli> umm.. is anyone else running it without an OS, or with a homebrew OS?
[15:29] <rm> what do you aim to accomplish
[15:30] <tnovelli> I don't want to get into writing a proper OS, just enough I/O code to load and run a standalone program, say a music player
[15:30] <rm> a) learn how to write low-level OS code for ARM
[15:30] <rm> b) think it will be "faster" or "simpler" in some way to do something practical without Linux
[15:30] <rm> b = no way in hell
[15:31] <Civil> tnovelli: there are docs for this ARM. So you could write anything you whant :)
[15:31] <ReggieUK> c) look on the forums for baremetal
[15:31] <rm> just install a debian minimal distro and run your music player from there
[15:31] <tnovelli> ReggieUK: baremetal, thanks :)
[15:31] <Civil> tnovelli: bootloader boots image, as special-crafted elf. So produce elf and you can boot it :)
[15:32] <tnovelli> Civil: cool. I've done that before on x86.. it's not difficult
[15:32] <tnovelli> just gotta learn the tricks
[15:32] <Civil> tnovelli: you just need to write a lot of code :)
[15:32] <Civil> really a lot :)
[15:32] <Civil> and rpi for audio player - overkill :)
[15:32] <tnovelli> Civil: or pinch it from Linux :)
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[15:32] <Civil> tnovelli: still will be rather hard
[15:33] <tnovelli> I'm not thinking music player specifically, just anything where the overhead of Linux (and 2-minute boot-up) sucks bad.
[15:34] <tnovelli> and it would be nice to get the GPU acceleration working eventually.. it'd be like a console game..
[15:34] <tnovelli> no OS, just the game
[15:35] <ReggieUK> if it takes 2mins to boot, you're doing it wrong
[15:35] <tnovelli> oh yeah, that was in an emulator.. what's it really take?
[15:36] <tnovelli> a friend is sending me his... he finally got it, doesn't have time for it :(
[15:36] <rm> tnovelli, take a look at www.rockbox.org
[15:36] <rm> they got their own mini-OS that is not GNU/Linux-based
[15:37] <rm> and runs on media players
[15:37] <tnovelli> rm: sweet
[15:37] <rm> maybe you could port it to R Pi
[15:37] <rm> it even runs Doom
[15:37] <tnovelli> hey, my wife has one of those Sandisk players too
[15:37] <rm> and it's already tailored for ARM
[15:37] <tnovelli> but this'll play FLAC
[15:37] <rm> since a lot (most?) players are ARM
[15:39] <Civil> tnovelli: no docs for gpu, afaik
[15:39] <tnovelli> Civil: yeah, it'll be a reverse-engineering project
[15:40] <tnovelli> raspi seems popular enough that someone will do it within a year or so
[15:41] <tnovelli> it's been done for some of the other commonplace ARM chip GPUs
[15:41] <Civil> tnovelli: PowerVR and Quallcom Adreno are popular in phones, but still nothing interesting :)
[15:41] <mjr> more like "being done". Lima for mali is the most advanced of them, and even that's still got its work cut out for it.
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[15:42] <Civil> powervr - only kms, without any acceleration
[15:42] <Civil> adreno - something between lima and powervr
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[15:44] <mjr> apropos arm gpus, Phoronix does claim that there will be a "very exciting open-source announcement coming soon that will please an increasing number of ARM Linux users and fans of open-source graphics drivers", though I _very_ much doubt it'll have anything to do with Broadcom, if it checks out: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE0MDA
[15:44] <tnovelli> I'd love to see an open-spec GPU for DIY hardware, even if it's nothing flashy
[15:45] <Civil> mjr: do you know about any other broadcom + linux products with GPU? :)
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[15:45] <Civil> with such GPU I mean
[15:46] <mjr> I still don't parse the question
[15:46] <Civil> mjr: there are not so much devices with broadcom gpu
[15:47] <mjr> Probably not. I don't follow the point.
[15:48] <mjr> I'm saying the teaser announcement is interesting if it pans out, but I think it's more likely that it's one of the other players than Broadcom that's opening up.
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[15:49] <NiteSnow> Civil, http://gooseberry.atspace.co.uk/ this looks like a promising project
[15:49] <NiteSnow> It costs ~$60 USD
[15:50] <Civil> mjr: that's why reverse engenring of broadcom's gpu would be unlikely for a ~1y
[15:50] <Civil> NiteSnow: I've heard about it :) But Odroid-X is more interesting, afaik
[15:50] <mjr> I agree it's unlikely to any great extent.
[15:50] <NiteSnow> Odroid's products are quite expensive in comparison.
[15:51] <Civil> 40 pounds vs. 120 euro...
[15:51] <ReggieUK> it looks like junk and there are better boards out there that use the same chip
[15:51] <mjr> it's possible some people will have it turning simple tricks though
[15:51] <Civil> *130$
[15:51] <NiteSnow> it's double the price of the gooseberry and tripple the price of the RaspberryPI
[15:51] <Civil> NiteSnow: 2xgooseberry = 1x odroid-x
[15:52] <NiteSnow> Yep, still expensive for some people, but I'm certainly going to look into getting on ASAP.
[15:52] <Civil> NiteSnow: but it's have quad core arm9
[15:52] <Civil> *cortex-a9
[15:52] <NiteSnow> oh, TAKE ALL OF MY MONEY!
[15:53] <Civil> NiteSnow: it's 4-6x faster then rpi and ~3x as goosberry
[15:53] <NiteSnow> the gooseberry has an A10 proc, how much dose performance differ per core between those revisions?
[15:53] <Civil> with 2x price
[15:53] <NiteSnow> not bad
[15:53] <Civil> it just depends what do you need from this board :)
[15:54] <Civil> a10 is not so open-source friendly. No kernel sources for android 4
[15:54] <Civil> afaik
[15:54] <Civil> and they won't be released before end of life cycle of chip
[15:54] <Civil> only 2.6.36 for android 2.3
[15:54] <NiteSnow> wow.
[15:55] <Civil> NiteSnow: it's chineese
[15:55] * aaa801 is hungry :(
[15:55] <NiteSnow> the gooseberry comes with 4.0.3 IIRC
[15:55] <Civil> oh, there are leaked source code for it
[15:55] <ReggieUK> olimex are producing a much better board than that gooseberry thing
[15:55] <tnovelli> Civil: no wonder most android phones are still shipped with 2.3 ... mfgrs/carriers can't bastardize it without the source
[15:55] <mjr> hmh, I've understood people are running things on a10-based devices
[15:55] <ReggieUK> that are struggling to get 500 preorders together atm
[15:56] <mjr> uncooperative manufacturers are a bitch though
[15:56] <tnovelli> actually they've probably got deals with google to get the source :(
[15:56] <NiteSnow> tnovelli, most phones in the states are shipped with android 4.0.4 right now.
[15:56] <Civil> tnovelli: no source code for Allwiner A10 != no source code for android devices at all
[15:56] <tnovelli> oops, we gotta wash our mouths out with soap now :)
[15:57] <NiteSnow> There is one phone that I can think of off the to top of my head that doesn't have 4.0.4 and it's the LG Viper.
[15:57] <reider59> oh god, don`t make me eat any more
[15:57] <reider59> <<< stuffed
[15:57] <Civil> tnovelli: it's just Allwiner's policy - not to release latest source to people. For chineese manufactures source code should be avaliable
[15:57] <ReggieUK> it's clearly stated in the topic, if you don't like the rule, you can of course leave :)
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[15:57] <NiteSnow> reider59, I just had about 3-4 cups of rice. I'm STUFFED.
[15:57] <NiteSnow> <.<
[15:57] <reider59> lol
[15:58] <reider59> I was famished, had a mix, sausages, yorkshire pud, spuds, peas n gravy
[15:58] <reider59> oh n mint sauce
[15:59] <tnovelli> mint sauce, interesting
[16:00] <NiteSnow> I've never had mint sauce...
[16:01] <NiteSnow> Am I missing anything too amazing?
[16:01] <reider59> depends on your taste
[16:01] <reider59> spuds aren`t too amazing but I still like and eat them
[16:02] <Civil> there are no glamor-based ddx?
[16:02] <NiteSnow> I'm looking at the cost of everything from hardkernel and it's cheaper if you order with USD than it is if you order with WON
[16:02] <NiteSnow> KRW **
[16:04] * tnovelli goes to make some mint sauce :)
[16:05] <reider59> I just bought mine, Bartons mmmmmm
[16:06] <Civil> NiteSnow: old odroids are very expensive, yes. But latest 4412, afaik, rather interesting
[16:06] * aaa801 eats Civels raspberry pie
[16:06] <Civil> aaa801: I won't give my pie :)
[16:07] <aaa801> Im hungry D:
[16:07] <reider59> <<< got a cider ice lolly with my name on it in a bit
[16:07] <aaa801> il eat all your pi's :P
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[17:20] <buZz> hi
[17:20] <TeeCee> Hi buZz
[17:20] * buZz yawns
[17:21] <buZz> slept a bit too long
[17:21] <buZz> and i need to revise my raspi case some more
[17:21] <Foxhoundz> Does anyone have experience installing drivers on the Pi?
[17:21] <Foxhoundz> Or rather, on Linux?
[17:21] <buZz> Foxhoundz: couple billion people
[17:22] <buZz> you could just tell us what the problem is maybe ;)
[17:22] <Foxhoundz> buZz: I found the Linux drivers for my wireless USB adapter (Ralink chip). It's all just source code so I have to compile it. My question is, do I have to compile it on the Pi itself or can I do it on a Linux box
[17:23] <Foxhoundz> This is the exact hardware FYI: http://www.amazon.com/Tenda-W311M-150Mbps-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B006GCYAOS
[17:23] <buZz> are you sure the ralink drivers arent in the kernel?
[17:23] <Foxhoundz> well that's the thing. iwconfig shows something attached to wlan0
[17:23] <Foxhoundz> but I get an error when I to bring it up
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[17:24] <buZz> iwconfig wlan0 up <- is not a valid command
[17:24] <Foxhoundz> Yes
[17:24] <Foxhoundz> YES
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[17:24] <buZz> ifconfig wlan up <- is a valid command
[17:24] <Foxhoundz> But
[17:24] <buZz> ehr wlan0
[17:24] <Foxhoundz> I thought you have to identify it as wlan0
[17:24] <Foxhoundz> well,
[17:24] <Foxhoundz> I'll try again
[17:24] <buZz> good hound :)
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[17:25] <Foxhoundz> buZz don't go anywhere!
[17:25] <Foxhoundz> I'll be back.
[17:25] <buZz> lol
[17:25] <buZz> i'm naked in bed
[17:25] <buZz> i wont be running
[17:26] <buZz> http://nurdspace.nl/File:Wearable-case-test2b.jpg <3
[17:26] <buZz> although i should be making test2c
[17:26] <buZz> cause this is not fitting that perfect :)
[17:26] <tnovelli> Foxhoundz: did you try lsmod?
[17:27] <tnovelli> buZz: too much information lol
[17:27] <buZz> WAY too much
[17:27] <buZz> its the way i function ;)
[17:27] <buZz> hence the nickname :)
[17:31] <Foxhoundz> Error while getting interface flags: no such device
[17:31] <buZz> you could do;
[17:31] <buZz> dmesg | grep wlan0
[17:32] <buZz> and see what that device actually is
[17:32] <buZz> maybe even better to read dmesg fully
[17:32] <buZz> i guess its searching for firmware for your wireless device
[17:32] <buZz> and not finding it
[17:32] <Foxhoundz> Anoter thing
[17:32] <Foxhoundz> Another*
[17:33] <Foxhoundz> Whenever I do the pipe symbol (|), it shows up as a dash in terminal
[17:33] <Foxhoundz> so now I can't properly pipe the output to grep
[17:33] <IT_Sean> what's your keyboard layout set to?
[17:33] <Foxhoundz> ...what's the command to check that?
[17:34] <Foxhoundz> But it should be the standard 101 keyboard
[17:34] <Foxhoundz> and the keyboard I have is just a standard keyboard as well
[17:34] <buZz> what is it again
[17:34] <buZz> loadkeys us
[17:34] <buZz> ?
[17:34] <buZz> something like that
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[17:37] <tnovelli> this might be helpful: http://mitchtech.net/realtek-wireless-dongle-rt3070-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[17:39] <IT_Sean> Foxhoundz: You need to be sure your raspi is set for a US layout. Just having a US layout keyboard isn't enough. You need to tell the computer that that is the layout you are using.
[17:39] <Foxhoundz> According to lsusb I have a Ralink RT5370, which should be supported
[17:39] <IT_Sean> I don't remember how to check / set the keyboard layout on the Pi, though, sorry.
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[17:40] <buZz> Foxhoundz: did you read dmesg?
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[17:40] <Foxhoundz> buZz: I can't use grep so I can't read all the output
[17:40] <tnovelli> Foxhoundz: so it sounds like an ifconfig/iwconfig or wpa_supplicant problem
[17:40] <buZz> Foxhoundz: dmesg > bla
[17:40] <buZz> less bla
[17:40] <buZz> :)
[17:40] <tnovelli> haha
[17:40] <buZz> or cant you type > either?
[17:42] <Foxhoundz> ok it's opened up in nano
[17:42] <Foxhoundz> I don't know why I didn't think of that
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[17:42] <tnovelli> fixing the keyboard layout sounds like a better solution :)
[17:42] <buZz> Foxhoundz: because you are new at linux ;)
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[17:43] <tnovelli> just the opposite, I'd say
[17:43] <buZz> linux is new at Foxhoundz ?
[17:43] <tnovelli> I mean I've been using Linux for 20 years and you thought of it before I did
[17:44] <buZz> hehe
[17:44] <Foxhoundz> buZz: I'm fairly a novice at it
[17:44] <buZz> i've been linux-ing since slackware 3.0
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[17:44] <buZz> so i think about 17/18 years
[17:45] <Foxhoundz> Anyway, I found this line in the dmesg output : tty2--> rt2x00lib_request_firmware: Error - Failed to request Firmware
[17:45] <buZz> ha!
[17:45] <buZz> do you already have the firmware file it is requesting?
[17:45] <tnovelli> 1993 I think it was.. maybe I tried the demo floppy in 1992..
[17:45] <buZz> filename should be around that line
[17:46] <Civil> Foxhoundz: firmware is missing. You shuold have rt2860.bin
[17:46] <Civil> maybe symlink to it, called rt3090.bin
[17:47] <Foxhoundz> rt2870.bin perhaps?
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[17:47] <Foxhoundz> It's for a different ralink chip
[17:47] <Foxhoundz> but it should theoretically work, right?
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[17:48] <buZz> maybe they share a driver
[17:48] <buZz> Foxhoundz: did you see the filename in the dmesg output?
[17:48] <buZz> should really be there ....
[17:48] <Foxhoundz> It was not
[17:49] <Foxhoundz> it just duplicated the error for 20-30 lines
[17:49] <buZz> meh
[17:49] <Foxhoundz> wait a minute
[17:49] <Foxhoundz> is this it?
[17:49] <Foxhoundz> registered led device: rt2800usb-pty::radio
[17:50] <buZz> well that is output from the driver yes
[17:50] <buZz> the filename would probably end in .bin
[17:51] <Foxhoundz> no such output. But since I know that my card is RT5370 via lsusb, I could probably find the right .bin file for it, right?
[17:52] <Foxhoundz> I did a modinfo for rt2800usb
[17:52] <Foxhoundz> and it shows rt2870.bin
[17:52] <Foxhoundz> I'm going to assume this is the file it wants
[17:53] <buZz> get it :)
[17:54] <Foxhoundz> One question though
[17:54] <Foxhoundz> since this is an ARM based
[17:54] <Foxhoundz> nevermind
[17:55] <Foxhoundz> I'm going to try to retrieve from the git repo mentioned here: http://mitchtech.net/realtek-wireless-dongle-rt3070-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[17:55] <Foxhoundz> Good lord Linux is a pain
[17:56] <tnovelli> uh huh :(
[17:56] <buZz> hehe
[17:56] <tnovelli> so I've been using Linux for 20 years, and thinking "this is nice having a FOSS OS, but we really need something simpler" for 15...
[17:56] <Foxhoundz> tnovelli: It is, in all honesty
[17:56] <buZz> Foxhoundz: if you are a bit masochistic, it helps ;)
[17:57] <buZz> imho all the good things in live are hard to do
[17:58] <tnovelli> it'd be easy to make an OS like DOS, even with real multitasking, but not at all unsinkable
[17:58] <tnovelli> (Linux, of course, is unsinkable in the same way as the Titanic)
[17:58] <grindking> lol it's not a pain
[17:59] <buZz> ah another masochist
[17:59] * buZz highfives grindking
[17:59] <grindking> i zoom around cli at light speed!
[17:59] <grindking> just ordered one of those flirc's for the raspberry yesterday
[18:00] <tnovelli> cli is fine.. if *everything* was cli, Linux would be 100x simpler..
[18:00] <tnovelli> 'desktop linux' ruined it
[18:00] <buZz> isnt everything cli?
[18:01] <buZz> grindking: http://flirc.tv/ ?
[18:01] <tnovelli> underneath maybe :)
[18:01] <ovim> arent lmost all gui tools just graphical front-ends for the associating cli commands?
[18:01] <buZz> grindking: is it an IR tranceiver?
[18:02] <ovim> because from my experiene, anything you want to do with a linux-distro, you can do from the command line. if you know what you are doing, this is the most straight-forward way to achieve what you want
[18:02] <grindking> yah buzz
[18:02] <buZz> so receive + transmit?
[18:02] <grindking> but once it's programmed it works as a standard usb wifi keyboard
[18:02] <buZz> awesome
[18:02] <grindking> so itll work on virtually ANY platform
[18:02] <buZz> oh huh
[18:02] <buZz> so just a receiver?
[18:02] <grindking> and you don't have to waste a ton of time programming a regular lirc thing
[18:02] <grindking> or making one
[18:02] <grindking> since it has a nice cli or gui tool
[18:02] <grindking> it's just ideal for me to have people using their existing remote
[18:02] <buZz> so its a receiver
[18:03] <grindking> rather than a phone, or a tablet
[18:03] <buZz> not a tranceiver
[18:03] <grindking> yah just a receiver
[18:03] <buZz> sad
[18:03] <grindking> but it transmits it into keyboard commands
[18:03] <grindking> so it's absolutely perfect
[18:03] <tnovelli> ovim: it's not quite that simple... the GUIs link in layers and layers of libraries and sometimes they go straight to the low-level interfaces rather than through shell commands..
[18:03] <grindking> i have no reason for it to transmit data
[18:03] <grindking> i want to use one remote to switch inputs AND control xbmc with raspberry
[18:03] <grindking> that's ideal for this
[18:03] <ovim> tnovelli: ah, i see. thank you
[18:03] <buZz> grindking: well, i have a IR remote + usb stick that already is a keyboard
[18:03] <grindking> yah see i don't want that
[18:03] <buZz> grindking: costed like 5 usd on ebay
[18:03] <grindking> this is for people who aren't into computers
[18:03] <buZz> wtf
[18:03] <grindking> i dont want a wireless keyboard
[18:03] <buZz> who isnt in computers
[18:04] <grindking> im setting up htpc solutions
[18:04] <buZz> ah
[18:04] <grindking> not interesting in dev or anything with the raspberry
[18:04] <buZz> openelec?
[18:04] <grindking> raspbmc right now
[18:04] <grindking> i haven't messed with it much
[18:04] <buZz> right
[18:04] <buZz> imho just a mediaplayer is such a sad purpose for a raspi
[18:04] <grindking> i could probably learn to do some stuff, but i'm not a programmer or antyhing
[18:04] <grindking> well i'm a plumber, i have no interest in hardware hobbies like that really :D
[18:04] <tnovelli> grindking: literally? :)
[18:04] <buZz> 'here you have endless possibility!' 'yeah fuck you i'll just tie it to this one purpose and fuck the rest'
[18:05] <grindking> i wouldn't be able to create anything cool
[18:05] <grindking> tnovelli: yes literally, i left IT related work 10 years ago
[18:05] <buZz> pessimist
[18:05] <grindking> never want to be around it as a job
[18:05] <tnovelli> grindking: nice!
[18:05] <grindking> taking over the family business haha
[18:05] <buZz> hehe i left IT 3 years ago
[18:05] <buZz> but came back because its such easy money
[18:05] <grindking> i mean buzz i know my usage for the raspberry isn't good or even what it was meant for
[18:05] <grindking> but i really don't have much i could do with it
[18:05] <buZz> grindking: yeah but so many ppl are doing it
[18:05] <grindking> i can solder and make shit, but i wouldn't know where to begin with the code
[18:05] <tnovelli> I'm looking for a non-IT career in the next few/several years
[18:05] <buZz> you just lack creativity ;)
[18:06] <buZz> and convidence
[18:06] <grindking> i probably should have bought the pivos xios machine instead of the raspberry
[18:06] <grindking> i just have too many hobbies going on lately
[18:06] <grindking> i'd rather put my energy into learning more on the guitar or something haha
[18:06] <tnovelli> lol
[18:06] <grindking> or playing videogames :D
[18:06] <tnovelli> classical or electric?
[18:06] <grindking> i make excuses like the same way i did with giving up trying to dink with android apps
[18:06] <grindking> ill never be a good coder, so why even try :D?
[18:06] <grindking> i have a positive attitude!
[18:07] <grindking> tnovelli: i have an acoustic and electric, both were $80 each, hilarious how cheap they make the stuff now
[18:07] <buZz> lol thats not positive
[18:07] <tnovelli> haha
[18:07] <grindking> honestly i got it because i wanted to mess with the rocksmith cable
[18:07] <grindking> buzz: lol i know
[18:07] <buZz> i only hear you say 'i can not do this, i can not do that'
[18:07] <tnovelli> I play both too.. and a few other instruments :)
[18:07] <buZz> you are a pessimist
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[18:07] <grindking> well rather i dont WANT to do this or that how about that
[18:07] <buZz> better wear the tshirt
[18:07] <buZz> because you expect to fail
[18:07] <grindking> tnovelli: i'm having a hard time moving forward since i dont know if it's a good idea to just keep reading tabs
[18:07] <buZz> aka pessimist
[18:07] <grindking> well i mean, i still can't think of anything i'd want to use it for
[18:08] <tnovelli> grindking: do you play by ear?
[18:08] <grindking> helicopters come with a way to control them, why would i want to use a raspberry
[18:08] <grindking> tnovelli: i can yes
[18:08] <grindking> but i'm not very good tnovelli
[18:08] <grindking> not at all, i'm practicing songs that are more about strumming patterns right now
[18:08] <tnovelli> grindking: keep at it, that's the way to learn... reading music is secondary
[18:08] <grindking> maybe a 3 chord song, but the strumming is difficult
[18:08] <buZz> C C G G A A A A
[18:08] <buZz> start a punk band :)\
[18:08] <grindking> ccr lookin out my back door
[18:08] <tnovelli> rhythm and timing really important..
[18:08] <grindking> some johnny cash songs
[18:08] <grindking> gnr
[18:09] <grindking> they're all strumming except that last gnr line :D
[18:09] <buZz> try seven nation army ;)
[18:09] <grindking> i get annoyed at my fingers sometimes
[18:09] <grindking> my pinky is a piece of trash
[18:09] <buZz> seven nation army and bro hymn are the only two songs i can play
[18:09] <tnovelli> I spent like 3 years learning the Bach bourree in Em
[18:09] <grindking> tnovelli: yah i want to play just some little short riffs or something and get good
[18:09] <grindking> trying to learn paradise city but slash makes it look so easy
[18:09] <grindking> plus he plays layers of sounds on top of one another
[18:10] <grindking> i want to learn people are strange and love is strange too
[18:10] <grindking> i like both of those melodies
[18:10] <tnovelli> hehe yeah try playing along with someone who plays clean, like BB King
[18:11] <grindking> i need to work on transitioning to diff chords too, some i feel like i can't put all fingers down at once
[18:11] <grindking> it's like one after the other
[18:11] <grindking> i took lessons back when i was 11 yo for a year or so
[18:11] <grindking> so i can feel some of the stuff i learned there, picked it back up quite easily, but i'm at the poitn where i was when i stopped back then
[18:12] <tnovelli> I have a tough time with barre chords
[18:12] <tnovelli> I have more fun playing lead, thrash, and classical stuff with 2 melody lines
[18:13] <tnovelli> violin.. usually 1 or 2 notes at a time... so much easier :)
[18:13] <buZz> i just like to sing and play the kazoo
[18:13] <buZz> soon i will join another band
[18:14] <grindking> haha i used to play viola
[18:14] <tnovelli> oh, that's a sweet sound
[18:14] <grindking> yep
[18:14] <buZz> i played violin :)
[18:14] <grindking> i said cello was too low, violin too high
[18:14] <buZz> and recorder
[18:14] <buZz> but they are all meh
[18:14] <buZz> contra bass was fun
[18:14] <buZz> but i could never afford such an instrument
[18:14] <tnovelli> yeah
[18:14] <grindking> tnovelli: since i don't have an amp i use that rocksmith cable and you can output to the laptop or pc, or even ps3 in the actual game
[18:14] <grindking> it's kinda cool
[18:15] <buZz> so i'll just sing and play kazoo :)
[18:15] <grindking> i'm sure it's not as good as an actual amp, but there aren't any delays like people sometimes have issue with
[18:15] <buZz> i can make >50 kazoos for less than 5 euros
[18:15] <grindking> it's cool hearing the guitar on 7.1
[18:15] <buZz> not when you didnt record the guitar on 7.1
[18:15] <grindking> how can they even build a guitar for $80
[18:15] <tnovelli> yeah, whatever works :)
[18:15] <buZz> then its just a dsp
[18:15] * aaa801 takes a bite out of ReggieUK
[18:15] <buZz> and dsps sound like p00p
[18:15] <grindking> buzz: it's good for just hearing it, i know it's not proper
[18:15] <grindking> i'm not one of those people that listens to 2ch stereo with just 2 speakers thoug
[18:16] <buZz> i never let computers invent sound
[18:16] <grindking> not like im playing records lol
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[18:16] <grindking> i have an m audio and used to fixate on stuff like that, but i'm just more practical now
[18:16] <tnovelli> I picked up a little old solid-state amp at a local music store.. nice not to screw around with computers just to play guitar
[18:17] * ReggieUK makes aaa801 stand in the corner
[18:17] <buZz> 7.1 is not practical to listen while learning
[18:17] <buZz> you think you sound awesome
[18:17] <ReggieUK> the stupid corner
[18:17] <grindking> tnovelli: i thought the rocksmith game would be fun honestly
[18:17] <buZz> until you play on a different audioset
[18:17] <grindking> tnovelli: i didn't know they'd have such trashy songs on there
[18:17] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, I think we're running out of corners again
[18:17] <tnovelli> haha
[18:17] <grindking> buzz: i basically play with no amp when i'm practicing anyway
[18:17] <grindking> not even good enough to plug it in each time
[18:17] <buZz> thats a lot better :)
[18:17] * aaa801 Builds super pi out of all the broken pi's
[18:17] <aaa801> ATK REGGIE SUPERPI
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[18:17] <buZz> lol
[18:17] <grindking> buzz: the dac on the rocksmith cable can't be very good lol
[18:18] <grindking> there are a couple forum posts where people have to move up one whole step for it to pick it up
[18:18] <grindking> and it sounds HORRIBLE
[18:18] * ReggieUK uses the 10seconds for X to catch up to dodge the attack
[18:18] <buZz> yeah at least use something proper :)
[18:18] <grindking> also they recommend obviously to use analog as much as possible
[18:18] <buZz> good tools are half the work
[18:18] <grindking> well i will when i'm worthy of using good tools
[18:18] <grindking> that's why i'm using $80 guitars
[18:18] <grindking> that's what i get!
[18:18] <grindking> those snark tuners are really nice
[18:19] <tnovelli> $80 brand new? damn.
[18:19] <grindking> yah man, it's insane
[18:19] <grindking> the electric is a dean martin, the acoustic is a takamine jasmine (bottom of the barrel)
[18:19] <grindking> but i mean, $80 for each is insane still imo
[18:19] <IT_Sean> ReggieUK: ???
[18:19] <tnovelli> of course, now you can get android/ios apps for tuners, metronomes, etc... very decent, too.
[18:19] <Hopsy> how fast is 25 mbit?
[18:19] <buZz> about 25 mbit
[18:19] <buZz> PER SECOND
[18:19] <grindking> tnovelli: yah but the snark one has a vibrato setting or mic setting and metronome and all that
[18:19] <buZz> Hopsy: what are you asking?
[18:19] <grindking> you can get a much more precise tune with the vibrate option i think?
[18:19] <IT_Sean> aaa801: did you BITE ReggieUK!?
[18:19] <Hopsy> uhm, how much mb/s ?
[18:20] <buZz> 2.5MB/sec
[18:20] <aaa801> Not me guv
[18:20] <buZz> give or take
[18:20] <Foxhoundz> I think I did it
[18:20] <Foxhoundz> I THINK I DID IT
[18:20] <buZz> Foxhoundz: woot
[18:20] <buZz> Foxhoundz: +1
[18:20] <Foxhoundz> the USB adapter light came on
[18:20] <tnovelli> cool
[18:21] <Hopsy> buZz: I can download with max 500kb/s so my download speed is 5 mbit ?
[18:21] <buZz> Hopsy: yeah about 5mbit
[18:21] <IT_Sean> aaa801: I'm pretty sure you did
[18:21] <Hopsy> okay thanks!
[18:21] * IT_Sean checks the logs
[18:21] <IT_Sean> ... you, you did!
[18:21] <IT_Sean> :/
[18:21] <aaa801> :O
[18:21] <buZz> Hopsy: its not that exact, but its a good guesstimate
[18:21] <aaa801> I DID
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[18:21] <aaa801> o noes
[18:21] * IT_Sean hands ReggieUK the flogging stick
[18:22] <tnovelli> Hopsy: I get 25 mbit download speeds on cable but a lot of sites throttle it down to 5-10 mbit
[18:22] <Hopsy> hmm
[18:23] <buZz> websites arent always that fast ;)
[18:23] <buZz> also cable is a shared bandwidth network
[18:23] <Hopsy> well I want to register for an usenet account
[18:23] <buZz> so if your neighbour starts downloading
[18:23] <buZz> your speed drops
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[18:23] <Hopsy> but dont know which speed I should get
[18:23] <tnovelli> yeah, on big sports nights, forget it.. no netflix, youtube, etc.
[18:24] <buZz> thats why buddha invented DSL
[18:24] <tnovelli> haha, DSL around here only works when you're lucky
[18:24] <buZz> yeah i live in the first world
[18:24] <Hopsy> tnovelli: which one should I take: http://www.hitnews.com/index.php?group=2
[18:24] <buZz> it works perfectly here :)
[18:25] <tnovelli> this is western massachusetts
[18:25] <buZz> yeah sad
[18:25] <buZz> here on the old continent its a lot better
[18:25] <tnovelli> verizon is neglecting its landlines
[18:26] <buZz> of course, profits are in mobile contracts
[18:26] <Foxhoundz> Ok guys
[18:26] <Foxhoundz> one more hurdle before my Pi is connected to the net
[18:26] <tnovelli> right, they're focusing on mobile and fiber... but... we'll never get fiber
[18:26] <Foxhoundz> this is more of my lack of knowledge about wireless_tools
[18:26] <Foxhoundz> how do I get the NIC to lease an IP address from my router
[18:26] <bootc> for those still interested: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/07/15/raspberry-pi-3-2-23-kernel/
[18:26] <buZz> dhcpcd wlan0
[18:26] <Foxhoundz> normally dhcpcd would take care of this
[18:27] <buZz> Foxhoundz: are you associated ?
[18:27] <Foxhoundz> but dhcpcd is not installed
[18:27] <Hopsy> tnovelli: :( ?
[18:27] <Foxhoundz> Yes I am
[18:27] <buZz> there are other dhcp clients
[18:27] <buZz> udhcpc
[18:27] <buZz> pumpd
[18:27] <buZz> dhclient
[18:28] <SIFTU> Foxhoundz: a good wireless network manager is wicd
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[18:28] <buZz> yes wicd is awesome
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[18:29] <buZz> i want a binary-blob-free wireless usb card
[18:29] <buZz> do those even exist nowadays?
[18:29] <chancellorsmith> anyone know what this means ? play WARN alsa: can't encode 0-bit Unknown or not applicable, also play WARN alsa: under-run
[18:29] <grindking> i saw someone on a forum saying his wireless nic plugged into the rj45 port
[18:29] <grindking> didn't even require power or usb
[18:29] <grindking> that can't be true right?
[18:29] <grindking> he must not have stated it right
[18:29] <tnovelli> Hopsy: first of all, go to speedtest.net and see how fast your connection really is
[18:29] <chancellorsmith> and general instability and sound glichtes on playing wavs ?
[18:29] <aaa801> chancellorsmith: did you pass null data to a sound decoder
[18:29] <buZz> grindking: his wireless is wired? :D
[18:30] <`z> i have a wired wireless
[18:30] <buZz> :)
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[18:31] <grindking> lol he said he plugged it into rj45 for power or that's what it sounded like
[18:31] <Hopsy> tnovelli: 4.05 Mbps
[18:31] <reider59> There are adaptors to make a WiFi connection go via the ethernet socket. so that you don`t have to fight to install drivers etc to run it
[18:31] <Foxhoundz> dhclient did the trick
[18:31] <Foxhoundz> my raspberry pi is pinging!
[18:31] <Foxhoundz> Oh god
[18:31] <Foxhoundz> I'm so happy
[18:31] <IT_Sean> easy there
[18:31] <`z> my router
[18:31] <IT_Sean> DOn't get happy on yoursefl, or anything.
[18:31] <`z> 4 internet ports
[18:31] <`z> 1 for printer
[18:31] <`z> 1 for NAS
[18:31] <`z> 1 for raspberry pi
[18:31] <tnovelli> Hopsy: pretty slow.. if you consistently get 4 mbps, go for the 2.5 or 5 mbit plan...
[18:32] <`z> one more left in case i need to plug in my laptop
[18:32] <`z> which means
[18:32] <`z> if i get a smart tv
[18:32] <`z> i'll be screwed
[18:32] <IT_Sean> THen get a dumb one
[18:32] <reider59> lol
[18:32] <buZz> or get a smart tv with wireless ;)
[18:32] <buZz> or get a switch
[18:32] <buZz> ffs :)
[18:32] <`z> yea
[18:33] <IT_Sean> or a 2nd router
[18:33] <IT_Sean> or a hub
[18:33] <`z> right now
[18:33] <`z> i have 3 cables
[18:33] <`z> trailing about 6 meters
[18:33] <IT_Sean> cables are cheap
[18:33] <reider59> my printer is WiFi, first one and loving it
[18:33] <`z> to the television cabinet
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[18:33] <`z> reider59, dad wants to save money
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[18:33] <`z> therefore
[18:33] <`z> ethernet printer
[18:33] <buZz> i have a seagate dockstar hosting the printer in the hackerspace
[18:33] <`z> OR
[18:33] <`z> hmm
[18:33] <`z> maybe i can link my printer via usb
[18:33] <`z> to my nas
[18:33] <`z> and use nas as a printserver
[18:33] <`z> but then
[18:33] <buZz> probably yes
[18:33] <`z> sigh
[18:34] <`z> my rpi is my htpc
[18:34] <buZz> or just GET A SWITCH
[18:34] <buZz> ffs
[18:34] <`z> my nas is my rpi storage
[18:34] <`z> buZz, yea
[18:34] <reider59> price is pretty cheap, about the same cost as the avarage printer carts
[18:34] <`z> i'm cheap
[18:34] <tnovelli> wifi printers can be a pain
[18:34] <buZz> they are like 10 euro
[18:34] <`z> buZz, well, i'm kinda lazy ;)
[18:34] <`z> there's this shop which overprices everything
[18:34] <`z> CISCO 5 PORT SWITCH
[18:35] <`z> ~$50 USD
[18:35] <reider59> PC World lol
[18:35] <`z> pc whorld
[18:35] <tnovelli> Staples
[18:35] <tnovelli> Best Buy
[18:35] <buZz> `z: beat them up
[18:35] <buZz> `z: threaten with violence
[18:35] <buZz> throw a chair through the windows
[18:35] <tnovelli> hehe.. $100 for the machine, and $500 for the cables to plug it in :)
[18:36] <buZz> demand sane pricing
[18:36] <buZz> or order in china yourself
[18:36] <buZz> china is happy to take your order
[18:36] <buZz> they own all the money in the world anyway
[18:36] <`z> it'd be nice if i could use my rpi as a home automation system controller
[18:36] <`z> lie on tv
[18:36] * IT_Sean shakes his fist
[18:36] <IT_Sean> bloody chinese
[18:36] <`z> look at status
[18:36] <buZz> china is lovely
[18:36] <tnovelli> what can we do to get China to put export sanctions on the US? :)
[18:37] <`z> IT_Sean, :(
[18:37] <buZz> tnovelli: nothing
[18:37] <`z> oh fuck
[18:37] <`z> <+`z> lie on tv
[18:37] <`z> i must be really sleepy
[18:37] <`z> >.<
[18:37] <`z> lie on sofa*
[18:37] <buZz> tnovelli: china needs US to spend money, so US needs to borrow more money from china
[18:37] <buZz> they will never sanction that
[18:37] <buZz> imho africa should block exports to the US
[18:38] <tnovelli> and china
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[18:38] <buZz> not grow food in africa to ship to the US to feed the animals
[18:38] <buZz> if china block exports to US, US will go bankrupt in a week
[18:38] <tnovelli> africa is shipping food to US? used to be the opposite..
[18:38] <buZz> tnovelli: US companies have farms in africa
[18:39] <buZz> to grow food to feed US animals
[18:39] <buZz> because growing food in the US is too expensive
[18:39] <marduk> kobe steaks from africa
[18:39] <buZz> imho african farms need to feed african ppl
[18:39] <tnovelli> it's scary to think what would happen if China cut us off... I mean, if we can do it to Iran and Syria and N.Korea...
[18:39] <buZz> not support a bankrupt country
[18:40] <tnovelli> we have too many morons at the top
[18:41] <buZz> same thing everywhere
[18:41] <buZz> VOTE PIRATE
[18:42] <marduk> i like cheese
[18:42] * IT_Sean shoots buZz with a firehose
[18:42] * buZz accepts this shower
[18:42] * IT_Sean hoses off the stink of politics
[18:43] * buZz adds the soap of sane knowledge
[18:43] <Foxhoundz> One small question.
[18:43] <buZz> yes please
[18:44] <buZz> ask something on-topic
[18:44] <Foxhoundz> I'm currently connected to the internet, but ifconfig does not show my LAN IP address assigned to me
[18:44] <buZz> ifconfig wlan0 ?
[18:44] <Foxhoundz> yes
[18:45] <Foxhoundz> Oh.
[18:45] <buZz> it doesnt show an IP?
[18:45] <Foxhoundz> I see what I did there.
[18:45] <marduk> you are using MagicNet???
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[18:54] <Foxhoundz> interesting
[18:54] <Foxhoundz> using wpa_supplicant blocks the terminal
[18:54] <buZz> yes i am
[18:54] <buZz> ah
[18:54] <buZz> doesnt block
[18:54] <buZz> it just keeps running ;)
[18:54] <Foxhoundz> well, you have to create a new one
[18:54] <buZz> add & behind the startup command
[18:55] <Foxhoundz> ...startup command you say?
[18:55] <buZz> eh
[18:55] <buZz> just install wicd
[18:55] <buZz> and do WPA from there
[18:55] <Foxhoundz> okay
[18:55] <buZz> it will wrap everything up easy and perfect
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[18:59] <Foxhoundz> buZz: you mentioned something about adding the wpa_supplicant to the startup. Which file must I edit to accomplish this? I'm going to be using this Pi via SSH, so automatically connecting to the network is a must
[18:59] <buZz> Foxhoundz: install wicd and it will manage wireless, WPA association and dhcp
[19:00] <buZz> and automagically
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[19:02] * tnovelli just found the Baremetal forum :)
[19:03] <buZz> sounds kinky
[19:03] <tnovelli> totally
[19:03] <buZz> nice :)
[19:04] <tnovelli> S&M
[19:04] <buZz> BDSM?
[19:04] <tnovelli> nah, that's Java
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[19:07] <Foxhoundz> buzz
[19:07] <Foxhoundz> is wic in the default repo list in apt?
[19:07] <Foxhoundz> it's not finding the package
[19:07] <streetuff> wicd
[19:07] <Foxhoundz> ahh
[19:08] <buZz> ;)
[19:08] <buZz> Foxhoundz: you are awesome
[19:09] <Foxhoundz> It's still not finding it.
[19:09] <buZz> apt-cache search wicd
[19:09] <Foxhoundz> I found it .
[19:10] <Foxhoundz> oh, an ASCII gui
[19:10] <buZz> it has a graphic one aswell
[19:10] <buZz> if you really want to :)
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[19:23] <freezer> hi
[19:23] <freezer> can the TSOP 1738 used as a transceiver?
[19:25] <hotwings> bit of a strange question for an rpi channel
[19:30] <freezer> not at all?
[19:30] <freezer> there's already a lirc driver for GPIO and TSOP
[19:31] <L0we> freezer: it's a receiver only
[19:31] <L0we> http://qluster.net/projects/lirc-transceiver/ this way you can create a transceiver
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[19:32] <hotwings> freezer - your question has nothing to do with rpi dude
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[19:34] <freezer> L0we, damn...thanks
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[19:34] <freezer> hotwings, just shut up
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[19:34] <IT_Sean> woah, woah, woah
[19:34] <IT_Sean> wha'd i miss!?
[19:34] <freezer> nothing ;)
[19:34] <IT_Sean> Doesnt look like nothing
[19:34] <NucWin> 421.5 idlers
[19:35] <freezer> IT_Sean, maybe you want to ask hotwings
[19:35] <IT_Sean> hotwings... ... ?
[19:35] <L0we> freezer: what do you want to do with it?
[19:35] <IT_Sean> freezer: i'm also asking you.
[19:35] <IT_Sean> Why'd you tell hotwings to shut up?
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[19:37] <L0we> IT_Sean, was someting about an off-topic question here in #raspberry, no big deal
[19:37] <IT_Sean> Off topic stuff is perfectly okay in #raspberrypi, just for the record.
[19:38] <L0we> :)
[19:38] <freezer> L0we, http://openlgtv.org.ru/wiki/index.php/Access_hidden_service_menus_/_modes this
[19:38] <hotwings> freezer - you dont need to be rude. next time why dont you just google "tsop 1738 datasheet".
[19:39] <grindking> were you going to use whatever you're asking about with the raspberry hotwings ?
[19:39] <IT_Sean> Both of you, and everyone else for that matter.. Off topic stuff is 100% a-okay in #raspberrypi.
[19:40] <hotwings> grindking - i didnt ask anything
[19:40] <L0we> oh come on... let's drop this
[19:40] <grindking> about the transceiver, i was just going to say then it's related!
[19:40] <grindking> see my logic
[19:40] <grindking> :D
[19:41] <hotwings> grindking - nobody ever said off-topic chat isnt allowed. whats so hard to understand about "strange question".. jeez
[19:41] * freezer also thinks it's related
[19:41] <freezer> you attach it to the Pi and it works together
[19:41] <grindking> lol i was just going along with the joke
[19:42] <ReggieUK> just like to quantify IT_Sean's off-topic stuff is ok, as long as it's a relatively appropriate topic, electronics, pi, linux, scuba diving, all good!
[19:42] <hotwings> freezer - that doesnt make it ok for you to blow a hole in your panties and tell people to shut up..
[19:42] <IT_Sean> aye, wot ReggieUK said
[19:42] <freezer> hotwings, you are a funny guy
[19:42] * hotwings doesnt see anywhere in the scrollback where someone said off-topic is not ok/allowed
[19:43] <IT_Sean> hotwings: easy fellah.
[19:43] <ReggieUK> if you 2 want to whine at each other please take it to pm or #somewherethatcares
[19:43] <hotwings> freezer - glad to be of service!
[19:43] * hotwings doesnt see anyone whining
[19:43] <L0we> anyone tried raspbmc? I've tried it today, but hardly any videos play smoothly
[19:43] <hotwings> how about you freezer, you see anyone whining?
[19:44] <grindking> l0we: that's weird, it works fine on mine, i was on rc3
[19:44] <grindking> i tested a 25gb x264
[19:44] <grindking> worked fine, but i wasn't doing any high end audio output
[19:44] <IT_Sean> Alternately, try #someonethatgivesatoss
[19:44] <freezer> L0we, 720p plays smooth for me
[19:44] <L0we> grindking: i tried rc3 too
[19:44] <brougham> worked for me too, rc4 due today possibly
[19:44] <grindking> are you streaming over the network?
[19:45] <grindking> i played over smb
[19:45] <brougham> smb for me alsp
[19:45] <L0we> most of the 720 plays fine, but not all
[19:45] <L0we> yeah, streaming
[19:45] <L0we> maybe i should try the nightly build of xmbc
[19:45] <grindking> it's initially a bit slow navigating the menu
[19:45] <grindking> but once it plays it's fine
[19:46] <MrZYX> L0we: what codec did you try?
[19:46] <grindking> i love that xbmc is now ported to android even if it's way early
[19:46] <L0we> grindking: the navigating speed was fine
[19:46] <grindking> i'm used to a full htpc though, that's why
[19:46] <L0we> MrZYX: what do you mean?
[19:47] <grindking> it's not 'slow' just slower than my i5
[19:47] <L0we> it was a x264 file
[19:47] <freezer> what a surprise :p
[19:47] <MrZYX> hm
[19:47] <MrZYX> should work
[19:47] <L0we> yeah, thought so
[19:48] <freezer> the android remote app is cool
[19:48] <grindking> yah
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[19:50] <freezer> L0we, streaming x264 right now
[19:50] <freezer> 720p, looks fine
[19:51] <L0we> freezer: tv shows work fine, some movies run not so smooth, some glitches
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[20:36] <zgreg> http://apc.io/product/
[20:36] <zgreg> "We will be accepting pre-orders soon and anticipate APC will ship early July, 2012."
[20:36] <zgreg> just as expected, it's via again :D
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[20:39] <hotwings> hey they got all the connectors on the same side to +1 for that
[20:40] <zgreg> yes, but it has the via disease: extreme paper launches :)
[20:40] <zgreg> plus it's not really more powerful than the pi, yet quite a bit more costly
[20:41] <hotwings> $35 vs $49
[20:41] <zgreg> also, via is charging a ridiculuous shipping cost ($38)
[20:41] <buZz> too big, too limited
[20:41] <buZz> too expensive
[20:41] <buZz> VIA == poop & uncreative
[20:41] <hotwings> they also have more codecs
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[20:42] <zgreg> hotwings: but that's not very useful without an XBMC port
[20:43] <buZz> APC supports MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, VC.1 and H.264 video codecs.
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[20:43] <hotwings> only for xbmc lovers
[20:43] <hotwings> there will probably be an xbmc port anyways
[20:43] <buZz> ehr
[20:43] <buZz> is it even an ARM processor?
[20:44] <hotwings> apc has an arm11
[20:44] <zgreg> yes, it's just as crappy as the pi
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[20:45] <streetuff> zgreg: :)
[20:45] <mjr> it has some different points of crappiness, really
[20:45] <zgreg> the only (!) real advantage I can see is the additional ram
[20:45] <hotwings> additional ram and the ethernet is not on the usb bus
[20:46] <hotwings> ram, codecs, ethernet all +1
[20:46] <mpthompson> Does the via have a sata port?
[20:46] <hotwings> and connectors all on one side +1 too
[20:46] <hotwings> dont think so mpthompson
[20:47] <zgreg> streetuff: well the cpu is definitely the weakness of the pi
[20:47] <streetuff> zgreg: well. i started with linux on arm with a via system. wondermedia wm8505, 300mhz, 128mb ram
[20:48] <zgreg> yes, sure it's nice compared to that, but arm11 really isn't state of the art anymore, and support for it is also declining on the software side
[20:49] <streetuff> i should have bought the toshiba ac100 when it was 100 euro at a shop here
[20:49] <zgreg> i.e. linux distributions are currently all migrating to armv7
[20:49] <streetuff> like ubuntu since years
[20:49] <Civil> zgreg: weakness of the pi is ram and io
[20:49] <Civil> io more then ram
[20:49] <zgreg> yep, and now debian does the same, AFAIK
[20:50] <mpthompson> zgreg, I think the Raspberry Pi will potentially reverse the trend on the software side. There really haven't been many general purpose compute devices based on Armv6 until the Pi.
[20:50] <zgreg> Civil: depends on your use-case, I guess
[20:50] <streetuff> zgreg: you can still go gentoo ;)
[20:50] <zgreg> mpthompson: I don't think so, it's too late
[20:51] <Civil> zgreg: I'm building gentoo on it, from stage 3. WA ~80%
[20:51] <zgreg> raspbian is a nice effort, but I don't see debian or ubuntu going for an armv6 arch
[20:51] <streetuff> Civil: i did that on the 300mhz wm8505 :)
[20:51] <streetuff> Civil: was a pita
[20:52] <Civil> streetuff: I did that before on zaurus :)
[20:52] <streetuff> ouch :D
[20:52] <mpthompson> If the foundation can get a million Pis out in the wild, that is a pretty good mass of devices in the arm world.
[20:52] <chancellorsmith> anyone know the state of ALSA drivers - are they pretty broke but will be fixed at some point ?
[20:52] <zgreg> chancellorsmith: that's pretty much it
[20:53] <chancellorsmith> ok, ta - is it a firmware thing ? i.e. the fix will come via a firmware update
[20:53] <zgreg> firmware and kernel
[20:54] <chancellorsmith> ok??? can't wait :-)
[20:54] <chancellorsmith> and I'm looking forward to that camera module also
[20:54] <chancellorsmith> hope it'll work with "motion"
[20:55] <hotwings> mpthompson - getting a million pis sold is a nice feat, but if devs arent jumping at writing/porting stuff for it, it doesnt really matter how many they sell
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[20:55] <zgreg> motion? you mean high framerates?
[20:56] <chancellorsmith> nah - bit of software that detects movement
[20:56] <chancellorsmith> quite popular with the webcam pi community by all accounts on blogs etc
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[20:57] <mpthompson> Well, I don't see developers creating applications for the Pi similar to what they do for say iOS or Android. Different community and different purpose. However, I do see a lot of what's avialable for Linux being optimized and redirected to being better supported on the Pi. That should still make it a pretty decent compute platform.
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[20:58] <marduk> i don't think there's much cross-section between the rpi audience and, say, the angry birds audience
[20:59] <mpthompson> I believe that keeping at lease some Linux development focused on lean environments such as the Pi may mean $5 to $10 devices as powerful as the Pi in another 2 to 3 years or so.
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[21:00] <mpthompson> The Microsofts, Apples and Intels of the world have no interest in seeing that happen. However, it would be good for those of us who don't care about 3D versions of Angry Birds.
[21:01] <hotwings> the microsofts, apples, and intels couldnt care less about rpi
[21:02] <mpthompson> Just like the dinosaurs could care less about the shrew like mammels that scampered around their feet...
[21:02] <TeeCee> Mohahahah!
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[21:05] <phluks> Hi there
[21:05] <TeeCee> Hi
[21:06] <mpthompson> I really think that there is a role for powerful, but very inexpensive and open compute devices in the world. The Pi may not be perfect, but it does show demand is there and a more refined and cheaper device may even have the potential for greater demand and growth.
[21:06] <phluks> Is it a bad sign if the two only life signs I get from my pi is the power on led and a sligt flicker on the tely when i connect the pi via rca cable?
[21:06] <buZz> as long as the design is open
[21:06] <buZz> else
[21:06] <buZz> FUCK YOU
[21:06] <buZz> :)
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[21:07] <TeeCee> phluks: Has it been working before?
[21:07] <hotwings> mpthompson - i think people care more about cheap price and less about openness
[21:08] <buZz> oops, pardon my german
[21:08] <phluks> No, never. I have tried to connect with hdmi to a dvi monitor, but with no effect at all
[21:08] <buZz> phluks: are you sure your powersupply is sufficient?
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[21:08] <buZz> raspi is a bit picky about voltage supplied
[21:08] <SIFTU> or sd card problems
[21:08] <TeeCee> phluks: What distro did you install on your SD?
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[21:08] <phluks> Weell. is there a way to find out ?
[21:09] <buZz> measure :)
[21:09] <buZz> between TP1 and TP2 on the raspi, there should be about 5.1volt
[21:09] <hotwings> phluks - if you have another sd card laying around, you may want to try that
[21:09] <mpthompson> hotwings: Well, people need to start realizing that openness and price are somewhat interrelated. Sure, closed systems may start out cheap, but soon as they have you buy the short hairs then you really start paying.
[21:09] <phluks> oh, I got one from RS that they provided
[21:09] <phluks> I can try with a cellphone charger
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[21:10] <hotwings> mpthompson - all im saying is good luck trying to convince people to care about openness
[21:10] <TeeCee> phluks: Often the cellphone charger might give more amps than the USB on the laptop...
[21:10] <TeeCee> which is a good thing
[21:10] <hotwings> phluks - as pissy as the rpi is about sd, i wouldnt assume the one you got from RS isnt the problem
[21:10] <mpthompson> hotwings, I fully understand your skepticism.
[21:11] <phluks> The charger i have plugs into the wall :) it should have enough, but it never hurts to try something else
[21:11] <hotwings> we've had reports of people using the exact same model of sd.. works great for one person, fails miserably for another
[21:11] <buZz> i have a lot of USB phone chargers that just supply 4.8 volt
[21:11] <buZz> which absolutely doesnt work
[21:12] <phluks> But does the raspi not have some kind of "BIOS" that would show something if the sd card is to blame?
[21:12] <hotwings> nope
[21:12] <phluks> So its do or die then :)
[21:12] <hotwings> yup
[21:14] <phluks> well then - off to experiment some more
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[21:14] <hotwings> sd, power, or both
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[21:35] <richardcreme> 8]
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[21:37] <Foxhoundz> hello
[21:38] <TeeCee> o hai
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[21:43] <Foxhoundz> O hai thar TeeCee
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[21:47] <hotwings> Foxhoundz - do you own an rpi?
[21:53] <yggdrasil> hello
[21:53] <yggdrasil> can somone help, im trying to make my pi into a router
[21:53] <hotwings> hi yggdrasil
[21:53] <yggdrasil> a wireless router.
[21:53] <yggdrasil> but im not sure what to use for driver.. in the host ap .conf
[21:53] <yggdrasil> r8712u is the wireless card
[21:54] <yggdrasil> hows it going hotwings ?
[21:54] <hotwings> yggdrasil - ok, thanks. so have you named your rpi yet?
[21:55] <TeeCee> Is it some kind of "norm" to name ones Pi?
[21:55] <ReggieUK> of course
[21:55] <buZz> no
[21:55] <ReggieUK> mines called shinyDave
[21:55] <buZz> avoid calling it names, then it will be much easier when it dies
[21:56] * aaa801 appears runs into ReggieUK's house steals shinyDave and disapears into the sunset
[21:56] <hotwings> im thinking about calling mine Harold
[21:56] <hotwings> looks like a Harold to me
[21:56] <chancellorsmith> names - apple, cottage and custard
[21:57] * ReggieUK locks dave in the impregnable safe and informs aaa801 (and the police) that aaa801 is in the wrong place, I live in a flat
[21:57] <yggdrasil> uh
[21:57] <yggdrasil> no
[21:57] <buZz> ok ok
[21:57] <yggdrasil> its called raspberrypi
[21:57] <buZz> i take it back
[21:57] <buZz> i called my raspi ReggieUK so it can behave like a social filter and avoid free expression
[21:58] * aaa801 runs into the right place this time, eats the impregnable safe and runs off
[21:58] <ReggieUK> good call buZz, at least you're taking notice
[21:58] <buZz> i recognize dictators when i see them :)
[21:58] <buZz> thats why i VOTE PIRATE
[21:58] <ReggieUK> oooh what a rebel
[21:59] <buZz> you remind me of my mother :D
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[21:59] <buZz> are you also obese?
[21:59] <hotwings> buZz is going to start Occupy #Rpi
[21:59] <aaa801> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUo1PgKksgw
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[22:00] <buZz> wtf @ rpi.edu
[22:00] <buZz> :)
[22:00] <buZz> 'why not change the world? '
[22:00] <buZz> yes yes
[22:00] <buZz> WORKING ON IT
[22:00] <buZz> think i fixed my case
[22:00] <buZz> another 1 hour print, coming right up
[22:01] <yggdrasil> so anyone good with hostapd ?
[22:02] <hotwings> 1 hour print? ughh
[22:02] <buZz> hotwings: hehe i've done >10 hour prints
[22:02] <buZz> complex models take time
[22:02] <hotwings> i can make one out of cardboard in about 20 seconds
[22:03] <buZz> lol yes, but that is not plastic
[22:03] <buZz> i am building a wearable computer, so cardboard is no good at all
[22:04] <hotwings> put it in an altoilds tin, hotglue it to a neclace. BOOM - wearable computer!
[22:04] <buZz> a) too small b) no power supply c) too stupid
[22:04] <buZz> i already have altoid tins for batteries ;)
[22:05] <buZz> http://etc.servehttp.com/accu-buitenkant.jpg http://etc.servehttp.com/accu-binnenkant.jpg
[22:05] <ReggieUK> so altoids tin = wearable these days then?
[22:05] <buZz> ReggieUK: if you base your opinions on other ppl instead of your own mind, sure
[22:05] <hotwings> only if you hotglue it to a necklace
[22:05] <ReggieUK> ahahaha
[22:05] <yggdrasil> so can somone give me a hand deciding which driver to use for hostapd ?
[22:06] <yggdrasil> r8712u is what its listed as
[22:06] <hotwings> might as well try that one i guess
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[22:07] <hotwings> buZz - what was your >10hour print? dont tell me it was World of Warcraft related!
[22:07] <buZz> no i am not a LARPer
[22:08] <buZz> hotwings: some art design from thingiverse
[22:08] <buZz> on insanely slow settings, to get quality high
[22:09] <hotwings> if i had a 3d printer, id probably just make bobbleheads or something
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[22:12] <buZz> hotwings: thingiverse is filled with bobbleheads yea
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[22:35] <Foxhoundz> I' having the same problems again
[22:35] <Foxhoundz> ifconfig doesn't show my lan IP
[22:35] <Foxhoundz> but I know I'm connected to the internet
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[22:49] <Dagger2> Foxhoundz: does it show in `ip a`?
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[22:51] <mischat> hello
[22:51] * mischat is playing with his RPI
[22:51] <mischat> :)
[22:51] <mischat> everytime i try to scp files
[22:52] <mischat> it seems to kernel panic
[22:52] <mischat> has anyone else experienced this ?
[22:52] <Plutoniano> which os?
[22:52] <mischat> the debian one
[22:52] <mischat> whatever latest verison of the OS i torrented form the official site
[22:53] <mischat> i guess i could look in the logs when I restart the pi
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[22:54] <Civil> mischat: update kernel and firmware
[22:54] <Civil> mischat: from github
[22:56] <mischat> can i have a link ?
[22:56] <mischat> the other thing I noticed is that is doesn't seem to be reading my fstab
[22:56] <mischat> properly
[22:56] <Civil> mischat: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[22:56] <mischat> when I restart it doesn't mount my USB disk, but when i `sudo mount -a`
[22:56] <mischat> it works
[22:57] <mischat> thanks Civil
[22:57] <mischat> will have a look now
[22:57] <Civil> mischat: if you ever whant to build your own kernel, you'll need raspberrypi/tools from github
[22:57] <Civil> and sources are there
[22:58] * mischat hasn't built a kernel since I ran gentoo around 04
[22:58] <mischat> but cool thanks
[22:59] <mischat> hrm are you suggesting I look at HEAD of the repo, as there are no tags or anything
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[23:01] <Civil> mischat: boot - is what you should put to fat32 partition
[23:01] <mischat> am going to have a go at using this thingy https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[23:02] <Civil> mischat: afaik it's script to run on rpi
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[23:02] <mischat> yeah thanks, it is supposed to update the kernel and firmware to the latest
[23:02] <mischat> i found the link here http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/downloads
[23:03] <Civil> mischat: if your network is so unstable, maybe you still should consider manual updating
[23:03] <Civil> it's just replace content of 1-st partition to content of github's firmware/boot
[23:03] <mischat> ah I see
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[23:04] <mischat> the github you linked me to has binaries in it
[23:04] <mischat> thanks
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[23:04] <Civil> mischat: github updates rather often
[23:04] <Civil> even binary blobs
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[23:04] <mischat> cool thanks Civil
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[23:07] <Hattara-pilvi> Anyone have directfb runnign in EGL mode on RPi? I have gotten it to compile propelly but telling it to use the EGL backend causes "2603282481: glGetError 0x502"
[23:07] <Hattara-pilvi> error to be raised
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[23:08] <mischat> this clone is going to take ages
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[23:09] <peba> hi from Vienna
[23:09] * gordonDrogon waves
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> What Ho!
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> I'm back from Cambridge now...
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[23:13] <ReggieUK> did you have fun?
[23:13] <reider59> wb Gordon
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[23:21] <gordonDrogon> Yes, lots of fun, met lots of people.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> got lots of ideas and some new hardware.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> I have a PiFace IO board.
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[23:22] <slartsa> I think my RasPi is eating keyboard usb dongles
[23:23] <slartsa> since 2 weeks ago i've lost 2 of them
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> wireless keyboard dongles
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> I can show the board that was driving the windmill too...
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> http://a.yfrog.com/img876/3162/jsqdm.jpg
[23:31] <Syliss> lol
[23:32] <Syliss> you have one of the blue audio output pi's
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> no - that's not mine - that's Gerts with the camera on it - everything else is mine though...
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> the one in the middle with the gertboard attacched is the one driving the lego fan...
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[23:35] <ReggieUK> How big was the padlock holding those pop chips gordonDrogon?
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:35] <ReggieUK> or who's arm was it chained to
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> Not that big...
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> If anyone actually wanted to walk off with them they could have - Gert brought the, for display though.
[23:36] <ReggieUK> although I'm only interested in the 4GBIT version
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> Heh..
[23:37] <mischat> Civil: you rule, the latest firmware from that gitrepo seemed to do a world of good to the networking on the pi
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> right have to to go bed now. pretty knackered.
[23:38] <Civil> mischat: I've just got same problem few days ago :)
[23:38] <ReggieUK> g'night gordonDrogon
[23:38] <mischat> and with git repos full of binary blobs, "git clone --depth X" --depth is your friend :)
[23:38] <mischat> well cheers for that
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[23:42] <mischat> i am so happy. I have dumped my old massive tower which I used as a ssh gateway, and a proxy sometimes when abroad in my flat with the rpi. Will do wonders for my electric bill :)
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[23:55] <Mike632T> In case anyone is interested Farnell are now appear to be taking orders again http://export.farnell.com/rp/order/
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[23:57] <plugwash> IIRC they never actually stopped taking them, they only pretended to
[23:58] <plugwash> all the way through the saga if you could find a direct link to the order page you could place an order
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[23:58] <Syliss> lol
[23:59] <Arch-MBP> heh messed up
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