#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-07-16

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[0:04] <Syliss> ?
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[0:25] * datagutt (~datagutt@unaffiliated/datagutt) Quit (Quit: kthxbai)
[0:29] * Leeky (~Leeky@linode01.lee-cann.com) Quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
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[0:31] * PiBot sets mode +v Leeky
[0:37] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
[0:38] * Maccer (~Maccer@199.168.138.175) Quit (Excess Flood)
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[0:42] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt
[0:45] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
[0:48] * Milos|Netbook_ (~Milos@pdpc/supporter/student/milos) Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[0:48] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt
[0:49] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
[0:55] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt
[0:55] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
[0:56] * papl00 (~pi@90-229-154-91-no191.tbcn.telia.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[0:59] * smugtoaster (~Smugtoast@host217-44-51-161.range217-44.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: Bye!)
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[1:28] * MrZYX is now known as MrZYX|off
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[1:29] <thomas_sch> maybe this is a stupid question but from time to time programs die on me and the after image gets stuck on the framebuffer (afterimage as in framebuffer holds the last image and eats all keystrokes) but I can still ssh into the mashine any idea how I can reset the fb?
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[1:55] * mischat (~mischat@93-97-51-125.zone5.bethere.co.uk) Quit (Quit: night night)
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[2:23] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)
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[2:34] * KW21 (~KW21@D978E830.cm-3-1d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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[2:39] * erts (~pi@8.Red-81-34-33.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) Quit (Client Quit)
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[2:45] * PiBot sets mode +v Milos|Netbook
[2:49] * markbook (~markllama@pool-74-104-180-140.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi
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[2:54] * blkaway is now known as blkhawk
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[2:57] <tech2077> why doesn't raspberrypi officially move to the 3.2 kernel
[2:59] * markbook (~markllama@pool-74-104-180-140.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[3:00] * jsharper (~jason@much.hubr.us) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[3:01] <SIFTU> tech2077: that totally depends on the dostro you chose
[3:01] <SIFTU> distro*
[3:02] <tech2077> in there firmware github, it's 3.1.9+
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[3:05] <tos9> .s
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[3:08] * KwisA is now known as Dreamingpup
[3:09] <Syliss> what about 3.4.4?
[3:10] <phire> The Raspberry pi needs a number of patches for drivers
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[3:10] <phire> since those patches haven't been accepted into mainstream yet, you can't really use a stock kernel
[3:11] <Syliss> exactly
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[4:44] <squimmy> can anyone here tell me if zfs will work in rpi?
[4:44] <squimmy> i'm figuring the lack of ram could be an issue?
[4:50] <Syliss> probably not
[4:50] * ReggieUK (~ReggieUK@5aca5630.bb.sky.com) Quit ()
[4:51] <JMichaelX> squimmy: the lack of RAM would be a huge issue... even if there were not a whole lot of other hurdles to boot
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[4:52] <JMichaelX> you basically need 2GB of RAM to get much use out of ZFS
[4:53] <squimmy> JMichaelX: that's what I had been lead to believe. thank you for stating it nice and clearly
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[4:54] <JMichaelX> squimmy: if it is available, you would stand a far greater chance of *maybe* getting btfs to work on the pi
[4:54] <squimmy> JMichaelX: i'm not familiar with btfs. please excuse me while i google it
[4:56] <squimmy> btfs doesn't appear to have the whole "easy-mode for RAID" thing that zfs does. at least, not at this stage
[4:59] <squimmy> are the 'other hurdles' things like poor arm support for BSD etc.?
[5:08] <piney0> can anyone help me? I am trying to install RPi.GPIO 0.3.1a in python, and i'm getting an error about 'ZIP does not support timestamps before 1980' I have figured out that python thinks it's 1970, so the date and time are wrong in python. any ideas?
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[5:20] <squimmy> piney0: is the system datetime correct?
[5:26] <piney0> nope, that was the problem. thanks squimmy
[5:27] <SIFTU> squimmy: btrfs will do raid, but not all modes are available (5 & 6) etc
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[7:35] <uw> raspberry pi has been running 7 days now with no issues
[7:35] * Mr_Sheesh_AFK is now known as Mr_Sheesh
[7:35] <uw> yya
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[7:37] <exsodus> I wish I could get sup to work on mine
[7:38] <huene> sup?
[7:38] <exsodus> Its weird it doesnt work at all but over ssh it says command not found
[7:39] <exsodus> Mail client
[7:42] <uw> yea my next task is to mess with the GPIOs
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[7:49] <exsodus> Above my head ;)
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[7:53] <uw> me too haha
[7:57] <exsodus> Trying to update arch. Getting raspberrypi-firmware: /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/rebuild.sh exists in filesystem
[7:57] <exsodus> Any ideas how to fix?
[8:03] <rm> remove or move away /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/rebuild.sh? :S
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[8:10] <uw> ^ username relevant
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[8:38] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[9:34] <Gadgetoid> And suddenly a wild good morning appeared!
[9:38] <Sm0ke0ut> good? *yawns* ;-)
[9:38] <frankivo> Gadgetoid: derp
[9:38] <Gadgetoid> It might just be a wild morning...
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[9:40] <l4mRh4X0r> My morning has been good so far, at least :)
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[10:17] <booyaa> morning
[10:17] <Veryevil> Morning
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[10:21] <gordonDrogon> hi
[10:23] <booyaa> looks like cambridge jam was excellent
[10:23] <booyaa> you have a good time?
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, What Ho! Did you see the photo of my stuff at Cambridge? It has the board I use using to drive th Lego Fan/Windmill... http://a.yfrog.com/img876/3162/jsqdm.jpg
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> yea, really good, thanks.
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[10:23] <gordonDrogon> really knackering too :)
[10:23] <booyaa> i bet!
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[10:24] <gordonDrogon> wasn't quite what I was expecting, but since I was expecting the unnexpected, then that was OK :)
[10:24] <Gadgetoid> Nice setup gordonDrogon, all the Pi's!
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yep .. the board with the 3.3v ATmega on it ...
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> although the Pi with the camera wasn't mine - that was the one and only Pi with the Camera attached...
[10:25] <Gadgetoid> Is that what you've been working on?
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> Yes
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> It's a Gertboard...
[10:25] <Gadgetoid> Ah, didn't recognise it as a Gertboard, must be all those components "D
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> I've not been able to officially say anything about it, but since I was demoing it at the weekend and Gert pointed me out in the audience at the Q&A session, I guess it's OK :)
[10:26] <Gadgetoid> I sincerely hope someone sells pre-populated gertboards??? don't mind the lack of an atmega or some of the socket mount ICs, but wantwantwantwant
[10:26] <booyaa> heh i had no idea raspberrypi foundation planned on release modules
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> Farnell keep on dragging their feet on it.... It was supposed to be out today, but ...
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> However Farnell do want to sell one pre-made...
[10:27] <Gadgetoid> That's good news
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> So hopefully in a few weeks.
[10:27] <Gadgetoid> I might consider jumping through their hoops and ordering one!
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> Gert is annoyed as if they were going to do it pre-made he's have used SMT LEDs as they're quite hard to solder by hand.
[10:28] <booyaa> does a gertbord already come with board/circuit protection?
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> What it has: A bit row of jumpers/pins to let you connect the 'raw' GPIO signals to a set if 74xxx bi-directional buffers.
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> there is another jumper to let you set the direction of each buffer.
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> so that's 12 buffered IO's.
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> there are 3 buttons for input and 12 LEDs for output.
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[10:29] <gordonDrogon> some of the pins can be directly jumpered - e.g. the Pi's serial to the ATmega, or the Pi's SPI to the 2 on-board A/D & D/A chips.
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> the motor driver and darlington drivers can be wire-jumpered.
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[10:30] <gordonDrogon> the ATmega can be jumpered to eithe the buffered IO, the motor or the darlington drivers.
[10:30] <Gadgetoid> Damn there's a lot of stuff on that board, guess a pre-populated one will be pretty pricy with the ICs in place
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> so it's a good general purpose IO type of biard.
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> the ICs are cheap - the motor driver is the expensive bit apparently.
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> and Gert admits a 4amp driver is a bit OTT :)
[10:31] <Mr_Sheesh> Only 4A tho? Heh
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[10:32] <gordonDrogon> actually, it was getting warm with my 9V Lego motor connected to it, but only just warm...
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[10:33] <gordonDrogon> I'm going to open up all the stuff on my blog site later today - although ultimately it might be hosted by Farnell.
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> I need to check with Myra who's doing the manual first just to make sure everything is OK.
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[10:35] <Gadgetoid> Can't wait to get my hands on one :D I use my arduinos on their lonesome all the time, would be nice to dedicate one to the Pi
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[10:36] <ebswift> anyone else toast their wheezy setup by doing an upgrade? i thought once was an accident, twice is odd... though i'm not too phased, waiting on raspbian official
[10:37] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I succeeded in writing my own utils to pack monochrome images into fewer bytes, and added double-buffering to speed up the LCD massively at the cost of RAM
[10:38] <buZz> Gadgetoid: into the video driver?
[10:38] <buZz> Gadgetoid: or just in an application?
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/gertfan.jpg
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, excellent!
[10:38] <Gadgetoid> buZz: talking Arduino :) but it will apply if I manage to port the code to the Pi- for driving the cheapo Nokia LCD
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> ebswift, rpi-update, or apt-get update?
[10:39] <buZz> ahhh
[10:39] <Gadgetoid> I have so many lego power functions motors just begging to be used like this!
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[10:40] <booyaa> i think the last archlinux sys update broke some library links vcgencmd (which i used to get gpu firmwware version) is now broken with missing lib links
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[10:41] <booyaa> is it easy to rig up mindstorm stuff with pis?
[10:43] <buZz> yeah
[10:43] <buZz> just add a bluetooth usb stick
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[10:44] <booyaa> crikey it's bt powerwed (can you see how much i've researched this...)?
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[10:44] <gordonDrogon> I'm controlling a motor directly - and I think that might be the way to go for mindstorms, but I don't know how the NXT stuff really works.
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[10:45] <buZz> booyaa: its terribly expensive, i would just forget about mindstorm and use something open
[10:45] <ebswift> gordonDrogon sudo aptitude upgrade
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> I was looking with a friend yesterday at sending IR signals from a Pi to the RXC 1 brick though.
[10:45] <ebswift> well with a space ;)
[10:45] <booyaa> buZz: ah
[10:45] <buZz> use an arduino and a motorshield
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[10:45] <buZz> you can drive lego motors with that
[10:46] <buZz> and it costs about 6x less than mindstorm
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> ebswift, well tha should work, but remember 'wheezy' is still a testing release of Debian, and not a sable version, so it might be prone to things like this, however I've had no issues with apt-get updat ; apt-get upgrade - so far!
[10:46] <booyaa> ah so lego motor != to mindstorm
[10:46] <booyaa> just assumed it was
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> some of us already have mindstorm kit though :)
[10:46] <ebswift> yeah, it didn't just get upset, it black screened, no lights on the sd access :D
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> Lego has produced a great many motos over the years...
[10:46] <buZz> wheezy has been frozen btw
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[10:47] <buZz> so wheezy will become the new stable very soon
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> ebswift, it may just be the kernel & modules that got upset - I removed the package from wheezy that does that.
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> Oh, it's frozen now? I wasn't expecting that.
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> for months yet...
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> that is good news then.
[10:47] <buZz> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/06/msg00009.html
[10:47] <ebswift> well there was a recent post about raspbian 'in the next few days' a few days ago
[10:47] <ebswift> ^
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> I might even be tempted to put it on my laptop, but it's still Lenny so I'll need to upgrade it to Squeeze first!
[10:48] <buZz> i would just wipe and reinstall :)
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[10:48] <buZz> and drink a lot of beer during install
[10:48] <buZz> (yes, its mondaymorning)
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[10:48] <gordonDrogon> Eben more or less said in Saturday that they were looking to make Raspbian the standard from what I remember.
[10:49] <Gadgetoid> Isn't Raspbian basically Wheezy HF?
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> buZz, it's an Acer Aspire One - very slow internal SD card - it took about 4 hours just to put Lenny on it...
[10:49] <buZz> you run linux from SD?
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> Yes, Raspbian is wheezy...
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
[10:49] <buZz> why?
[10:49] <buZz> doesnt it have a harddrive/SSD?
[10:49] <reider59> Have you tried it with an external reader or is it the same?
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> Sorry - SSD. Yes on the AAO. SD's on the Pi's.
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> just getting confused here.
[10:49] <buZz> ahhh gotcha
[10:50] <ebswift> for the motor control stuff i'm thinking about using my picaxe 08m with the ULN2003A
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> actually the built-in SD reader on the AAO is faster than the internal SSD ..
[10:50] <ebswift> and serial communication to it
[10:50] <ebswift> (stepper)
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> ebswift, the ULNs are fine, but look at some of the H-Bridge drivers though - easier to do reversing.
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[10:51] <gordonDrogon> ebswift, ah, steppers - sure.
[10:51] <buZz> A4988 is a nice stepperdriver
[10:51] <ebswift> though i do want to experiment with servos too
[10:51] <buZz> http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/1182
[10:51] <reider59> For some reason I have to use SD Cards on my lappy in Win 7, they refuse to work on the main machine and internally connected USB reader, very occasionally I get one that works.
[10:52] <reider59> main is Vista
[10:52] <buZz> i dont run closed source software
[10:52] <buZz> unless i get payed to do so
[10:52] <ebswift> ah 12 bucks for that A4988... the picaxe plus the ULN2003A is only a couple of bucks
[10:52] <buZz> ULN2003A is also less powerfull ;)
[10:52] <reider59> I really cannot stand Win 7 either
[10:52] <buZz> and doesnt have 1/16 microstepping
[10:53] <buZz> reider59: atm i have 2 core i7 tablets on my desk, running win7
[10:53] <buZz> and its still slow
[10:53] <ebswift> well that makes it interesting then... i was thinking of using gears... still haven't progressed into microstepping
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[10:54] <buZz> ebswift: the reprap project is the main user of those stepper chips atm ;)
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[10:54] <ebswift> cool
[10:54] <reider59> Win 7 64 bit is reputedly faster for my FSX Flight sim with the right hardware but I`d hate to have to use it. so for now I leave the flight stuff in Vista and it copes quite well
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[10:55] <reider59> I can still see lots of aircraft in the air in quite some detail and at a distance. Airports have never been a problem. Even landing on a grass strip at Barton airfield near M/C I can see the strip and the detail. Mind, I know where to look lol
[10:56] <buZz> you mean the version of windows is deciding what the drawing distance is?
[10:56] <buZz> thats bizar
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> You can do all the microstepping in software - that's probably what the controller is on that card - probably an embeded PIC..
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> I was doing microstepping on a BBC Micro 30 years ago...
[10:56] <buZz> gordonDrogon: no its in the driver
[10:57] <booyaa> good grief in those technic power range aren't cheap either
[10:57] <buZz> this chip is usually used from an arduino, so its not that fast to do 4 axis microstepping quick enough
[10:57] <ebswift> so, let me get it right... if a stepper is, say, 48 steps per 360 degrees, you can microstep to more steps?
[10:57] <buZz> yes
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> ebswift, yes.
[10:57] <ebswift> nice
[10:57] <buZz> i have 200 step steppers
[10:57] <buZz> * 16 ;)
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> although they're normally 180 stpes per revolution.
[10:57] <buZz> is a lot of steps!
[10:57] <buZz> or 400
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[10:58] <reider59> FSX is very much more processor dependant rather than video card. Get a lower processor and draw distances are still there but not in enough detail. to run at the right pace and not get lag the settings have to be reduced. Get the right processor and they can be increased, therefore allowing the video card to do its full duty
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[10:58] <gordonDrogon> we were doing half stepping back then, but the driver hardware was just catching up - ie. we were boosting the voltage to 24 v and more just to compensate for the back-emf...
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[10:58] <gordonDrogon> and blowing up power transistors :)
[10:59] <buZz> gordonDrogon: reprap uses 5V steppers and drivers them at 12V ;)
[10:59] <buZz> -r
[10:59] <buZz> eh 3V steppers
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[11:00] <reider59> a good video card and a mediocre CPU will not work. But a good CPU and a medocre video card does
[11:00] <buZz> reider59: well i dont game
[11:00] <buZz> the only games i play are with women, in bed
[11:01] <buZz> dont need any render distance at all, as i usually take off my glasses ;)
[11:01] <reider59> not a game, it`s a simulator. One that many real world pilots prefer to there mega priced simulators they train on.
[11:01] <buZz> same diff
[11:01] <reider59> not at all
[11:02] <buZz> potato be potating :)
[11:02] <reider59> big difference between a game and a simulator
[11:02] <buZz> not when you are not playing it
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[11:02] <buZz> thats like saying there is a difference between LARPing and Reenactment
[11:03] <reider59> I don`t play with space rockets, that doesn`t make them a game D`oh!
[11:03] <buZz> nobody sees it, besides the player
[11:03] <reider59> wrong again
[11:03] <buZz> which of the two are you? :)
[11:04] <reider59> many many thousands of people use interactive screens and Joe Public is the in the Control Tower handling take off, landing etc
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[11:05] <reider59> They see each others planes and their is a system on the way to allow people from a distance to join your flight
[11:05] <buZz> sounds like a fun game
[11:05] <reider59> whatever, you`re just looking for an argument
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[11:05] <reider59> no valid point, ignored
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[11:08] <megatog615> buZz: straight up monopoly in bed
[11:08] <megatog615> gonna trade dat real-estate
[11:09] <megatog615> i sent dat bitch a boardwalk
[11:09] <megatog615> bitches love boardwalks
[11:10] <buZz> megatog615: ;)
[11:10] * Dyskette cocks an eyebrow
[11:10] <buZz> eej Habbie
[11:10] * buZz tickles Habbie
[11:10] <Dyskette> I for one, do not love boardwalks.
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[11:10] <buZz> what are boardwalks?
[11:11] <buZz> ah
[11:11] <buZz> when you dont have money for a road
[11:11] <buZz> Habbie: wanna see my custom raspi case? :)
[11:11] <Habbie> yes!
[11:11] <buZz> http://nurdspace.nl/File:Wearable-case-test2b.jpg
[11:11] <buZz> related project; http://nurdspace.nl/Wearable_Computer
[11:11] <Habbie> ohh wearable
[11:12] <buZz> jaja
[11:12] <Habbie> chording keyb
[11:12] <Habbie> neat
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> a wearable Pi. *boggle*
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> and I thought my watch was big enough...
[11:13] <buZz> gordonDrogon: it will not go on my wrist
[11:13] <Habbie> i got the modmypi case in yesterday
[11:13] <Habbie> it sucks
[11:13] <buZz> just the keyboard :)
[11:13] <Habbie> or i'm using it wrong
[11:13] <buZz> Habbie: link?
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> I have one of these: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=940
[11:13] <Habbie> modmypi.com
[11:13] <buZz> ah found it
[11:14] <Habbie> the pi is all wiggly inside it
[11:14] <buZz> meh
[11:14] <buZz> the case i printed really fits it tight
[11:14] <buZz> Habbie: if you come visit nurdspace,i'll print you a case
[11:14] <megatog615> buZz: The Boardwalk is the most expensive tile on monopoly iirc
[11:14] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Haha, nerdtastic watch :D
[11:14] <buZz> megatog615: ah right
[11:14] <buZz> never played it in english
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Yea :) I was wearing it on Satuday :)
[11:15] <megatog615> http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1625101
[11:15] <megatog615> lol
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[11:15] <buZz> gordonDrogon: ah, almost the same display
[11:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: That would be slick with a brushed aluminium base, a tempered glass overlay and a black & gold PCB
[11:15] <buZz> Habbie: did you see the alu raspi case?
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I may look at a nicer case for it - it's not actually that comfortable to wear.
[11:15] <Habbie> buZz, not sure, url?
[11:15] <Gadgetoid> actually, *every* PCB should be black and gold
[11:15] <buZz> indiegogo is slow :(
[11:16] <buZz> http://www.indiegogo.com/arcol-raspi
[11:16] <buZz> that case
[11:16] <Gadgetoid> http://www.retrode.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/mainboard-final.jpg
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[11:16] <magnus_> hey. anyone know how to get the serial console up and running? i hooked up a 3.3v TTL UART to the TXD/RXD/GND pins on the GPIO expander on my board, but not seeing any output (115200 baud). I figure i need to pass some cmdline to the linux kernel to get it outputting on the correct port? (i'm running my kernel in non-quiet mode already)
[11:16] <Habbie> buZz, cute
[11:17] <megatog615> Gadgetoid: beautiful
[11:17] <buZz> Habbie: well my offer still stands ;)
[11:17] <megatog615> Gadgetoid: i can't ever get one
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, first - make sure it's the right way round :)
[11:17] <ebswift> ah finally http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1588
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, next, check /boot/cmdline.txt - that has the first rune in it to make the console work.
[11:17] <Gadgetoid> megatog615: Why??? why is that?
[11:17] <megatog615> Gadgetoid: always out of stock
[11:17] <Gadgetoid> megatog615: Curious!
[11:18] <buZz> nice
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> Eben had a bog of 200 Pi's on Saturday.
[11:18] <magnus_> gordonDrogon, the first rune?
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> er, box!
[11:18] <buZz> they have a backlog of orders for 364000 raspis
[11:18] <Gadgetoid> Guy who made 'em is quite busy with life, alas
[11:18] <buZz> and now they are accepting BIGGER orders
[11:18] <buZz> lol
[11:18] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: 200 Pi's????.. dear god???.
[11:18] <Gadgetoid> Pivarna
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> selling them for ?30 each.
[11:19] <megatog615> Gadgetoid: stoneagegamer.com says next stock june/july
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, yes, might have something like console=/dev/ttyAMA0 - make sure it says something like that.
[11:19] <Habbie> buZz, i'll think about it, thanks :)
[11:19] <buZz> yw
[11:19] <Streakfury> "With cases" it says. Aweseme :D
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> I bought a PiFace IO board too.
[11:19] <magnus_> gordonDrogon, yeah, that's what im looking for. do you have any idea what port I should use? (e.g. the value of console=...)
[11:19] <Streakfury> I kinda wanna make a Lego case for mine though :P
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, what does it say now?
[11:20] <magnus_> gordonDrogon, nothing
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, unusual... I'll need to look it up as I removed it from mine - give me a moment.
[11:20] <magnus_> great, appreciate it
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[11:21] <ebswift> i think they're still underestimating demand if 4k per day is 'high capacity'
[11:21] <megatog615> Gadgetoid: the black/gold reminds me of my sound blaster audigy 2
[11:21] <ebswift> i reckon orders slowed right down when people realised that it will be 'a long time' before they could get one after the initial burst
[11:22] <reider59> Gordon, I`m having a go at that fancy LCD Display where each character turns a different way, the video you saw. It states: display = Lcd('/dev/ttyUSB0') in the program, which is for the USB connection. Any idea what to put in for the parallel one we use?
[11:22] <Gadgetoid> megatog615: I think I've got a black & gold soundblaster in a box somewhere
[11:22] <Gadgetoid> I should frame it :D
[11:23] <buZz> i have a framed 8bit ISA AdLib soundcard ;)
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1
[11:23] <buZz> first soundcard for x86 evah
[11:23] <magnus_> gordonDrogon, excellent! thank you
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, but there should be other stuff in cmdline.txt - make sure you're looking at the right file!
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[11:24] <magnus_> yeah, i just have a few settings that sets up the ram fs etc
[11:24] <magnus_> which dist are you using for your rpi?
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> reider59, you'll need to adapt the code so that any place it sends a character to the display, it sends it to the parallel display via lcdPutchar() (or whatever)
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> I use Debian/Wheezy/Raspbian.
[11:25] <reider59> Ok, thought that might be the case because the display is used in multiple places. I`ll look at that, thanks
[11:26] <magnus_> gordonDrogon, i noticed in your cmdline, console= is mentioned twice.. is that correct?
[11:26] <magnus_> you'd think only one value shall be used
[11:26] <buZz> i dont understand why all the cases leave the SD card sticking out
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, it's what was in the supplied one with debian. I removed it from my units as I used using the serial port as GPIO lines.
[11:27] <buZz> i feel that like that, the SD card is a fragile piece
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> buZz, makes the case smaller, -uses less plastic, cheaper...
[11:27] <buZz> man
[11:27] <buZz> plastic is DIRT cheap
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> what I think someone ought to do is replace the SD older with one of those posh push in push to pop-out ones.
[11:27] <buZz> 5 gbp case = 0.50 gbp plastic and 4.50 markup
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[11:28] <gordonDrogon> buZz, I've no real idea, just thoughts that go through my commerial mind...
[11:28] <booyaa> order placed! let's see which one arrives first :D i'll be annoyed if the one from farnells does
[11:28] <buZz> hehe, well, i have a 3d printer
[11:28] <booyaa> there's a difference of two weeks between them
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[11:28] <buZz> so i use expensive plastic, and my HUGE case (with SD inside) hardly costs over 1.50 gbp
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[11:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://pi.rsdelivers.com/?cm_mmc=UK-SM-_-RSSocial-_-Twitter-_-electronics-NPI
[11:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> order as many as you like now
[11:30] <magnus_> gordonDrogon, do you happen to know where i can find documentation on the RPi boot sequence? like, how the SoC ROM (1st stage) bootloader works and interacts with the sd-card
[11:30] <buZz> RaTTuS|BIG: we just read :)
[11:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, offhand no - google for it, it's been talked about before- but what I understand is that the GPU knows how to read bootcode.bin, this then reads loader.bin which reads start.elf which then boots the ARM side of things with kernel.img ...
[11:33] <magnus_> oh. ok, so the arm core is not actally in charge of booting up the system?
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, going to change the license on wiringPi to LGPL rather than GPLv3 - after friggle persuaded me on Saturday...
[11:33] <magnus_> what kind of core is the gpu? also arm?
[11:33] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I might have to look up what that means :D
[11:33] <buZz> magnus_: no
[11:33] <buZz> magnus_: arms make crappy gpus
[11:34] <booyaa> http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware
[11:34] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: As I understand it, the GPL isn't too popular amongst more hardcore free software advocates
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[11:35] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Looks like LGPL is better suited for a library though
[11:36] <Gadgetoid> For proprietary developers??? at least
[11:36] <Civil|2> Gadgetoid: you can use LGPL library for proprietary or non-GPL compatible application
[11:37] <Civil|2> but if you use GPL library, all your code must be GPL'ed
[11:37] <Civil|2> or released under GPL-compatible license
[11:38] <Gadgetoid> Everything I've done thus far is released under the: "Stick the sourcecode on the internet and forget about it" license :D
[11:38] <Civil|2> so you can't use GPLv2 library in Apache2 Licensed software (but can use GPLv3 library)
[11:38] <Habbie> Gadgetoid, which gives people almost no rights
[11:38] <buZz> i just use the WTF license
[11:38] <buZz> or CC-SA
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[11:41] <gordonDrogon> yea, I'm pretty new to actually releasing stuff under an open source license... I guess GPL is the most well-known, so gets used (and abused) a lot.
[11:43] <ebswift> i use LGPL so improvements must have source published, but the library can go into proprietary solutions
[11:44] <ebswift> great for libraries
[11:44] * gordonDrogon nods.
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> and wiringPi is a library, so that's probably the way it ought to be.
[11:45] <Gadgetoid> I guess it would make sense to place the WiringPi-<Lang> derivatives under LGPL, too, since they're also libraries
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[12:03] <l4mRh4X0r> I generally prefer CC-BY-SA-NC
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[12:05] * plugwash generally dislikes noncomercial use only licenses
[12:05] <plugwash> and CC is really intended for media rather than code
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[12:06] <friggle> -NC licenses are not open source or free software by OSI or FSF definitions
[12:06] <friggle> and "NonCommercial" is very hard to define
[12:07] <l4mRh4X0r> True, that's why I'm slowly moving over to GPL
[12:07] <l4mRh4X0r> Actually, I have yet to release something under CC :P
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[12:12] <`z> Actually, I have yet to release something :P
[12:14] <buZz> release something in the toilet
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[12:17] <Blazemore> Do you know how I can get system uptime in days in Python? Emulating uptime | cut -f 4 -d" "
[12:17] <booyaa> started to get annoying when we netslpit and i get booted out of #raspberrypi
[12:18] <drazyl> You could read and parse /proc/uptime
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[12:18] <booyaa> http://www.linuxinsight.com/proc_uptime.html fyi
[12:19] <booyaa> 1st is boot time, 2nd is idle
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[12:37] <tzarc> booyaa: use server password to auto-identify
[12:40] <booyaa> cheers
[12:45] <izibi> is it possible to allocate less than 32mb to the gpu?
[12:46] <buZz> i think you can allocate 0mb to it, and have a non-working gpu :)
[12:46] <buZz> remember reading something like that
[12:46] <buZz> or it might have been some other ARM board
[12:48] <nid0> afaik it needs a minimum of 32mb
[12:50] <deebo> sweet, both my cases arrived
[12:50] <deebo> slightly loose tho
[12:50] <buZz> the ABS injection molded ones?
[12:51] <deebo> from modmypi
[12:51] <buZz> yeah
[12:51] <buZz> i heard more ppl unhappy with it
[12:51] * buZz pets his 3d printer
[12:51] <deebo> not unhappy, will just have to pad it some
[12:52] <buZz> shouldnt be needed on a commercial product
[12:52] <nid0> still havent got my modmypi cases yet
[12:52] <deebo> just needed a case so i can stick these in my electric switchboard with my router
[12:52] <buZz> deebo: be sure to email the shop that it doesnt fit
[12:52] <nid0> and still looking for someone who can do me a custom case design :(
[12:52] <buZz> hehe
[12:52] <buZz> making a new mold for injection molding ->> expen$ive
[12:53] <buZz> nid0: i am making a custom case design
[12:53] <buZz> current test version http://nurdspace.nl/File:Wearable-case-test2b.jpg
[12:53] <buZz> well, previous test
[12:54] <deebo> looks like it was woven by ants
[12:54] <buZz> havent seen many 3d prints, i guess? :)
[12:54] <deebo> nope
[12:56] <gordonDrogon> buZz, so just what is the aim - other than a really big watch :)
[12:57] <buZz> gordonDrogon: computer in my pocket with battery pack, screen'in' my baseball cap, keyboard around my hand, connected at wrist
[12:57] <deebo> i wanted to replace my router that has been acting up under load, but i guess i can't get enough bandwidth with a usb nic when my wan is 100Mbit
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[12:58] <buZz> deebo: raspi hardly can manage 100mbit
[12:58] <deebo> indeed, sadly :)
[12:58] <cmdrcord> hi guys!
[12:58] <buZz> better replace that router with a router ;)
[12:58] <deebo> need to find some newer arm board
[12:58] <deebo> sadly they don't come with multiple nics
[12:59] <reider59> I have to say even if I have`nt got an immediate use for them I welcome any experiments with the Pi. Just like the LCD display fastened to a USB cord on a Cannon Camera. I may not use it but love to see the tricks people conjure up.
[12:59] <cmdrcord> is anyone with experience in OpenMAX in here? :)
[12:59] <reider59> *haven`t
[12:59] <reider59> << brain flips out for a few secs with the meds
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[12:59] <buZz> reider59: great ideas come from communication
[12:59] <buZz> ooo which meds?
[13:00] <deebo> i made one sdcard with debian and a basic xmonad + dzen2 installation, works nicely as a portable "workstation" :)
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[13:01] <buZz> yeah softwarewise i will be doing something similar
[13:02] <buZz> some keyboard controlled window manager
[13:02] <reider59> alsorts, but one is meant to kill severe pain signals to the brain (had a spine op and they killed my nerves). It does kill pain to some extent but my brain trips out for a few seconds or minutes and I only think I`ve done something. Hence gas gets left on, hot drinks go in the fridge, just have to double check everything a few times. Short term memory is shot to pieces too.
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[13:03] <deebo> dunno what ill do with mine to be honest, guess i could spare one for bedroom xbmc antics
[13:03] <reider59> Tramadol and Pregabalin cause me the most side effects.
[13:03] <buZz> reider59: sounds nice :)
[13:03] <buZz> reider59: reminds me of the amnesia weed we have here
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[13:07] <reider59> I`m going to the camera club soon, even though its persisting it down-must leave the lappy at home today. When I come back I feel like making a text file up on the Pi Desktop. All 4 lines are monitored by the Pi and transferred to the relative 2 lines on the LCD Module or 2 if it`s a 16x2. We used a plugin and screens (programs) to do it on USB LCD from CrystalFontz. But looking at Python it looks possible qui
[13:07] <reider59> te easilly.
[13:08] <reider59> oops 4 or 2
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[13:10] <buZz> eh what
[13:10] <reider59> So instead of changing the program you just change the contents of the text file and almost instantly the result show on the LCD Module.
[13:10] <buZz> did you ever play with LCDproc ?
[13:10] <buZz> or lcd4linux?
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[13:12] <reider59> Too much messing and not enough control. I used CF2 by CrystalFontz for the 4-5 USB modules they gave me to test on. But for my parallel with help from Gordon, Texy and others I see a lot more input and hands on experience is possible. Help I needed most because I never did anything with a parallel LCD before
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[13:14] <buZz> well the LCDs are not really parallel
[13:14] <buZz> they are just easy to bitbang over parallel
[13:14] <reider59> I want to learn Python and can do that and experience the soldering, fitting up, programming of the module. With LCDProc etc (all excellent programs) most of it is done in the background and I learn little from it.
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[13:14] <buZz> anyway, i would just use LCDproc, so you dont have to reinvent the whell
[13:14] <buZz> wheel*
[13:14] <reider59> no, doesn`t fit in with my needs
[13:14] <buZz> i made a couple of lcdproc clients
[13:14] <buZz> http://lcdproc.spacedout.nl/
[13:15] <buZz> back in the day
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[13:21] <reider59> I used to get a nice feeling when putting together screens like those and email announcers, news feeds, airport codes for my flight sim, you name it. CrystalFontz 2 was very similare but with a GUI you could pinpoint each cell of each line quickly and easilly, change it to flash, scroll, input from a file, games score feeds etc. but you were dependant on plugins being made or learn to make them yourself. I thin
[13:21] <reider59> k a lot more may be possible from Python or wiringPi without being reliant on third party plugins. Something I want to tinker with even if we do have to reinvent the wheel at times.
[13:22] <reider59> *similar
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[13:24] <reider59> I know the codes for ever cell of every one of the 4x20 LCD so all that`s left is input to file, then send them to those codes. Line 1 = 128, Line 2 = 192, Line 3 = 148 and finally Line 4 = 212. not that difficult once you know the codes and how to put them in.
[13:24] <buZz> reider59: yeah thats why lcdproc is so awesome
[13:24] <buZz> reider59: it has gui features etc
[13:24] <buZz> reider59: menu structure
[13:25] <reider59> Don`t get me wrong, I know for a fact LCDProc is fun and good, I got the same feeling from CF 2 and saw feedback from LCDProc users when the CF2 modules were added to LCDProc
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> Hm. just taken my old bigtrack to bits.
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> with a view to putting a Pi inside it.
[13:26] <reider59> But at this moment I wish to probe deeper and not have a helper program to do it
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> ought to be possible.
[13:26] <buZz> havent seen that commercial product being added to lcdproc
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pitrak.jpg
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> Hm. never heard of lcdproc until now.
[13:28] <buZz> gordonDrogon: nothing connected to the bigtrack?
[13:28] <buZz> why not do motorcontrol with the pi?
[13:28] <reider59> The LCDproc domain names (lcdproc.net and lcdproc.com, lcdproc.org) were made possible by a generous donationin by CrystalFontz. yes they are in there.
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> buZz, no lcdproc is not connected to bigtrak..
[13:29] <buZz> of course ;) hardware needs good software
[13:29] <buZz> gordonDrogon: raspi*
[13:29] <reider59> ref....http://lcdproc.org/
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> yes, just saw the lcdproc site...
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[13:29] <gordonDrogon> if I'd known about it I might have been tempted to work it into my LCD library, but hey ho. probably can't be bothered now.
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> unless I have time.
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> e.g. after making the BigTrak go..
[13:29] <buZz> gordonDrogon: i love that to make a client, you just need to make a networking client
[13:30] <buZz> so also you can output data to a screen that is connected to a different computer :)
[13:30] <reider59> shuffle, time to sock up and get ready
[13:31] <reider59> Just enjoy what you do but remember we all have different needs, hence I agree with any experiment, not all do. If we were all the same in this world what a boring old place it would be.
[13:31] <buZz> hey i am the first one in line for telling the world we are all different people ;)
[13:31] <buZz> but i am also right up there telling everybody we are all one :D
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> I need 2 H bridge drivers for the PiTrack ...
[13:32] <buZz> we are just different expressions of the same energy
[13:32] <buZz> gordonDrogon: there are a lot of HBridge chips that come in pairs
[13:32] <buZz> so include 2 hbridges in one chip
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> yup.
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[13:35] <gordonDrogon> The L23D is a nice one - it'll do an amp per channel and the BigTrack only needs about 50mA per motor...
[13:35] <buZz> i think i have that
[13:35] <buZz> lemme check
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> I want to re-use the BT's original keyboard and put up a display - going to run out of GPIO pins :)
[13:36] <buZz> oh, L293D
[13:36] <buZz> is the one i have
[13:36] <buZz> gordonDrogon: add an arduino ;)
[13:36] <buZz> oh also
[13:36] <buZz> there are i2c chips that just have 16 gpio pins
[13:36] <buZz> and 32 gpio pins
[13:36] <buZz> ;)
[13:37] <buZz> and you can use more of one on the same bus, of course
[13:37] <reider59> have fun n enjoy, not too many disagreement ;-) Back later
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[13:37] <buZz> ;)
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> brb phone
[13:39] <buZz> banana?
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[13:41] <magnus_> so, still trying to figure out why my serial port isn't outputting anything while booting linux. i did add some console-stuff to my kernel cmdline, and i've even hooked up a logic analyzer to the gpio pins.. there is no activity going on during boot. Here is my current cmdline: root ~ # cat /proc/cmdline
[13:41] <magnus_> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 root=/dev/ram0 rdinit=/init BOOT_IMAGE=/kernel.img dma.dmachans=0x3c bcm2708_fb.fbwidth=656 bcm2708_fb.fbheight=416 bcm2708.boardrev=0x2 bcm2708.serial=0xcbc01ff1 smsc95xx.macaddr=B8:27:EB:C0:1F:F1 boot=/dev/mmcblk0p1 disk=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 ssh
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[13:42] <izibi> any idea how to fix modprobe on archlinux? insmod /lib/modules/3.1.9-29-ARCH+/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko.gz works, modprobe ipv6 doesn't
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, have you tried using minicom to send stuff out the serial port to your remote device?
[13:43] <magnus_> gordonDrogon, right now im not trying to send anything, just listen to the rpi. i want it to give me the linux bootup log
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> izibi, why is the module compressed?
[13:43] <izibi> gordonDrogon: ask the person who built the kernel
[13:43] <rm> izibi, try `depmod -a`
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, sure, but stick minicom on it - if that works then work on making the kernel work.
[13:44] <buZz> izibi: which kernel are you running?
[13:44] <l4mRh4X0r> magnus_: you may need to tell linux to.
[13:44] <magnus_> l4mRh4X0r, how?
[13:44] <l4mRh4X0r> Dunno from my head, but google should be able to tell you
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> l4mRh4X0r, he has, but it looks like the serial connection migt not be working.
[13:44] <izibi> rm: ERROR: could not open directory /usr/lib/modules/3.1.9-29-ARCH+: No such file or directory
[13:44] <magnus_> gordonDrogon, i've used screen and another serial terminal.. didn't work. guess minicom does the same
[13:44] <izibi> i guess that explains the problem :D
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[13:45] <gordonDrogon> screen isn't a serial termina.
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[13:45] <l4mRh4X0r> Netsplit!
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[13:45] <magnus_> gordonDrogon, well, it can be used as one =)
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[13:45] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, don't guess - run minicom on the Pi and type into it and see if stuff comes out the other end. If it doesn't then there is something more fundamaneally wrong...
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, can it? Hm. not in my day, but I've not used screen for about 20 years now.
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[13:46] <magnus_> yeah, it was recently added (like within the last few years)
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[13:46] <magnus_> you can go like "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200"
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[13:47] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, fascinating.
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[13:47] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, more bloat to add to unix.
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[13:47] <magnus_> yupp
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, anyway - if you've tried that and its still not working, then look deeper.
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, the serial port does work - I've used it myself.
[13:48] <magnus_> yeah, ill try. gotta get minicom onto the rpi then though,. running OpenELEC on it right now, seem like a very stripped down linux
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, also check your /etc/inittab file - for a getty - in Debian it runs a getty by default and you can login on the serial port.
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> so lots ought to be going out over it.
[13:48] <magnus_> i was worried that the kernel that comes with OpenELEC doesn't support serial, but looking at the kernel sources, it doesn't seem possible to disable the serial port from being compiled
[13:49] <booyaa> magnus_: how are you connecting to rpi's serial?
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[13:49] <magnus_> booyaa, using a 3.3V ttl usb to serial adaptor, to the rpi's RXD and TXD (and GND) GPIO pins
[13:53] <hermanhermitage> is serial working at all?
[13:53] <magnus_> hermanhermitage, for me? no in general? i hope so!
[13:54] <hermanhermitage> i have a test program all it does is spew serial out
[13:54] <magnus_> i was thinking, maybe i could just use the official prebuilt emergency kernel image with the built-in busybox rootfs. can anyone confirm having working serial output during linux bootup using those images? (https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot)
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[13:54] <magnus_> hermanhermitage, cool, like a baremetal program, or a linux program?
[13:54] <hermanhermitage> baremetal videocore iv
[13:55] <hermanhermitage> it replaces bootcode.bin
[13:55] <magnus_> that'd be useful. i should just be able to put it in instead of my kernel.img, rigjht?
[13:55] <magnus_> ah, ok
[13:55] <magnus_> even better
[13:55] <magnus_> if i could get a copy, that would help me a lot in debugging this
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[13:57] <hermanhermitage> one moment i'll send you a link
[13:59] <magnus_> reading http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals it seems like GPIO 14 & 15 can be used by both UART 0 and UART 1. how does this work?
[13:59] <hermanhermitage> they have different capabilities
[13:59] <magnus_> like, i guess there could be a potential short if both UARTs TX at the same time
[13:59] <hermanhermitage> so its either or
[14:00] <magnus_> k
[14:00] <hermanhermitage> i'm running a usb convertor board here, i had it wired up wrong the first time
[14:01] <magnus_> wrong how? RXD to RXD?
[14:01] <hermanhermitage> yes not sure how i managed it!
[14:02] <Jck_true> Anybody played with LIRCd on the RaspBMC package?
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[14:05] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, no - they are separate physical pins on the chip and the internal switches on the chip keep them separate.
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> unless you enabled the aux. functions on those gpio pins to be serial, but even then, AIUI they are separate buffers in the chip, so shorting one wouldn't stop the other.
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> (an output anyway)
[14:06] <acperkins> Does anyone know how to prevent the welcome file opening at boot in the RISC OS image?
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[14:08] <hermanhermitage> not quite
[14:08] <hermanhermitage> the serial ports are mapped with GPFSELn
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[14:10] <hermanhermitage> any GPIO pin can only have one active function at an instant, but it can have a pull up or pull down interferring depending on the function
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> acperkins, uninstall riscos and install Debian ;-)
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> right. time to unpack my Pis from Saturday.
[14:11] <acperkins> gordonDrogon: where's the fun in that? I can run Deabian on anything :-P
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[14:11] <acperkins> s/Deabian/Debian/
[14:13] <hermanhermitage> good point :-)
[14:14] <mervaka> riscos eh?
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[14:17] <mervaka> oh, its CMT
[14:17] <mervaka> i should do more research :/
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> acperkins, yea, saw a demo of riscOS on Saturday...
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[14:19] <mervaka> oh yeah gordonDrogon
[14:20] <mervaka> how was that thingy meetup in cam?
[14:20] <mervaka> (i think it was cam)
[14:20] <acperkins> I've been running it since the Alpha image came out a few days ago, it works pretty well so far, and is just like I remember it from 1995
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[14:24] <gordonDrogon> yes, Cambridge.
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[14:24] <gordonDrogon> it was pretty good - much shorter and a diferent format to what I was expecting, but good to hear the talks and Q&A sessions.
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> I was able to show off my Lego fan connected to a Gertboard too!
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[14:26] <bionicRobot> where did you get the gertboard?
[14:27] <mervaka> heh
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[14:27] <mervaka> i need to get myself sorted with an ESC asap, my car project has stalled!
[14:28] <mervaka> just noticed the unintentional pun there..
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[14:29] <gordonDrogon> I got the Gertboard from Gert...
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/gertfan.jpg
[14:30] <bionicRobot> really? you can pop him an email and say hey gert send me one of your boards
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> er, well...
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> He asked the forum for help to get the ATmega going, and I replied and he sent me one.
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[14:31] <gordonDrogon> so I did some work to get it going, have tested it and documented it and now we're just waiting for Farnell to get their act together with the kit (or ready made board) and off we go ...
[14:31] <Gadget-Work> gordonDrogon, Nice, guess you were the lucky one ;)
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, I guess so - but it was at the time when the forums were changing, and I lost all my watch-lists - I'd checked all the ones I thought I was watching about a week later and saw the post from gert that was about a week old, so send him a reply...
[14:32] <bionicRobot> well I hope the demand for gertboards isn't as high as for the pi itself. Or I'll be waiting until 2013
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> so that what I've been doing all the 3.3v ATmega stuff on.
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[14:34] <mcscruff> has anyone had any issues with the pi killing sd cards
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> not killing them, no...
[14:36] <mcscruff> major corruption?
[14:36] <Gadget-Work> gordonDrogon, Cool, I responded on the 22nd of May, but at the time he had no spare boards
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> but various kernels and tweaks have had detrimental effects on them, but I've never had one fail to work on a laptop, etc. after a Pi.
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, He made up 3 or 4 - Myra - the woman doing the manual, etc. has one and me that I know of.
[14:37] <mcscruff> my 1st card died (it was old so thats ok) bought a new one, and now im just getting the red led on, nothing else
[14:37] <mcscruff> works in my pc tho
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> mcscruff, it's possible a type that the Pi won't recognise... what make, spec. etc. ?
[14:38] <mcscruff> gordonDrogon, no this is after i was running rasbian
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> mcscruff, ah, ok. so it just "stopped".. ?
[14:38] <bionicRobot> maybe the pi is defective
[14:38] <mcscruff> gordonDrogon, i had it lock up, then no longer boot
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> I'd re-install all the /boot files and try again.
[14:38] <mcscruff> im reimaging with my arch image
[14:39] <mcscruff> if this dont work i may be sending it back :(
[14:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> what stopped -
[14:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> also try another SD card
[14:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> what lights etc
[14:40] <mcscruff> just red atm
[14:40] <mcscruff> when i go to the shop i will get another card
[14:41] <mcscruff> but this is on the approved list
[14:41] <stanley> What's your issue?
[14:41] <stanley> I've had corruption too
[14:41] <mcscruff> i have had it quite a few times
[14:41] <stanley> Random dying of the Pi and then files being corrupted
[14:41] <stanley> It's getting really annoying.
[14:41] <mcscruff> yea
[14:41] <stanley> I thought it was the power since I don't have a real adapter in use (but I have one now).
[14:41] <stanley> Hmm.
[14:41] <stanley> I might also have to return.
[14:42] <mcscruff> ok, time to re-try
[14:42] <mcscruff> brb
[14:42] <stanley> It usually happens after some hours for me.
[14:42] <stanley> I haven't tried with the proper adapter yet.
[14:43] <mcscruff> its not reading
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[14:44] <stanley> I had to take it out, shake it, unplug the Pi and leave it for 5 minutes or so
[14:44] <stanley> and then it was fine for 6-12 hours
[14:45] <mcscruff> i had it running for 24 , but if it cant last that then its pointless for me
[14:45] <stanley> ^
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[14:45] <mcscruff> i need something reliable :(
[14:45] <stanley> i had to shack up a new box
[14:45] <stanley> because it wasnt trustworthy
[14:47] <mcscruff> the green led seems to have a tiny glow to it
[14:47] <mcscruff> but its not on
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[15:00] <magnus_> hm. so what is this ttyAMA0 really? my rpi seem to have two serial ports, tty1 and ttyAMA0?
[15:00] <magnus_> what's up with the weird naming convention here
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[15:01] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8075&p=98113
[15:01] <ReggieUK> amba
[15:01] <stanley> why is the bot's ip public
[15:01] <stanley> it seems to be important to an extent
[15:02] <magnus_> ah, thank you
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[15:03] <zeeZ> the things you can do with someone's IP!
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[15:04] <stanley> zeeZ: there's evil people.
[15:04] <stanley> zeeZ: if the bot actually does anything important in terms of moderation, it's a problem.
[15:04] <stanley> zeeZ: people DDoSing ops on IRC is not an unknown problem.
[15:04] <stanley> (or unheard of).
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> only if you think it can be hacked.
[15:04] <stanley> No, it can't.
[15:05] <stanley> How does (D)DoS have anything to do with hacking?
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[15:05] <gordonDrogon> it doesn't, but maybe some people might want to hack the Bot server, gain access to the bot's crecentials then use them for their own means - probably much hader than simply ddos'ing in though...
[15:06] <stanley> yeah that's unlikely.
[15:06] <stanley> I get your point though :p
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[15:12] <booyaa> good grief, it's been split tastique today
[15:14] <ReggieUK> it's been splitastique since sometime yesterday
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[15:16] <gordonDrogon> I'm guessing a split is something that freenode does when one feeder server gets overloaded?
[15:16] <stanley> not necessarily
[15:17] <stanley> but that could be a cause
[15:17] <stanley> it's just when a server disconnects from the rest of the network
[15:17] <stanley> that's typical irc
[15:17] <stanley> it can disconnect for various reasons
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[15:24] <gordonDrogon> spot of lunchtime now.
[15:25] <booyaa> tea time!
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[15:53] <tos9> Anyone happen to be awaare of any US vendors / coupons offering free shipping by any chance?
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[15:58] <IT_Sean> On the raspi?
[15:58] <IT_Sean> ... no.
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[16:02] <booyaa> how much is shipping?
[16:03] <Tachyon`> you're not goin gto get free shipping, the machine itself is so cheap there's no wriggle room
[16:03] <Tachyon`> no shipping is free, it's just added on elsewhere if not charged
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[16:05] <tos9> Tax + Shipping is $10. Of course it's cheap, but it's a question of percentages :)
[16:06] <tos9> Anyways, no biggie, I'll order anyhow. Thanks.
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[16:12] <drazyl> order 200, then the shipping will be cheaper as a %ge!
[16:13] <booyaa> oh hell yeah
[16:13] <markllama> but you'll never get them so they'll never ship and you'll never be billed and that's even LESS!
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> Eben had a box of 200 of them on Saturday...
[16:13] <booyaa> plus you can then walk around with a big ass case
[16:13] <drazyl> yeah, but he gets a staff discount :)
[16:13] <booyaa> and ask people to guess your computational power
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> selling them for ?30 each...
[16:13] <booyaa> chicks love that stuff
[16:13] <markllama> booyaa: worked for me.
[16:14] <booyaa> ^5 markllama
[16:14] <booyaa> lawlz
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[16:15] <booyaa> does anyone have rpi running squeeze or wheezy?
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[16:15] <mm0zct> I know I'm being a bit of a lazy bum here but where should I be looking for info on reasing the Pi's cpu cycle counter?
[16:15] <booyaa> can you do a sudo apt-cache dropbox plox?
[16:15] <booyaa> cycle counter? that's not cpu speed is it?
[16:16] <booyaa> ack sorry i meant: sudo apt-cache search dropbox
[16:16] * booyaa fears that dropbox add in for linux is a package from dropbox
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[16:16] <mm0zct> it's cpu_freq(speed) * time_elapsed_since_system on % counter_resolution
[16:17] <booyaa> mm0zct: you can get speed from /proc/cpuinfo
[16:17] <mm0zct> I should probably just use clock_nanosleep, but I only want to wait a few ns
[16:17] <booyaa> and time lapsed is first fig in /proc/uptime
[16:17] <mm0zct> booyaa: ....
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[16:18] <mm0zct> there is a counter register in the cpu, there's no point trying to reverse engineer it from 2 inaccurate sources
[16:19] <mm0zct> uptime will definately not give ns resolution accuracy, and all I want is the time difference anyway, I don't care how many cycles that is
[16:20] <mm0zct> the easiest way to control a very short wait is just to spin on some high resolution timer, and the 700MHz timer known as the cpu clock, will be the fastest timer available
[16:20] <mm0zct> (I'm bitbanging gpio JTAG, I need to slow things down a little bit)
[16:21] <mm0zct> someone posted a logic analyser on here a week ago, which used the same principle, anyone remember who?
[16:21] <mm0zct> thanks for trying though booyaa
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[16:21] <booyaa> sokay, i think i saw the logic analyser on the .org site
[16:22] <booyaa> oh dear, i've just see how much firewire extenders cost
[16:22] <booyaa> oh actually just found one that was in the 00's
[16:22] <IT_Sean> Firewire / cheap <-- pick one.
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[16:23] <mm0zct> it was by rgh, found at github.com/richardghirst/Panalyzer
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[16:28] <booyaa> did ukscone do one as well?
[16:28] <booyaa> must've dreamt it
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> 200 Raspberry Pi's: https://projects.drogon.net/a-box-of-200-raspberry-pis/
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[16:46] * Sm0ke0ut only got 15 =(
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[16:52] <dirty_d> 4000 units/day now huh?
[16:52] <buZz> yeah
[16:52] <buZz> RS was already doing 10k a week
[16:52] <buZz> for the last couple of months
[16:53] <buZz> so farnell is going faster ;)
[16:53] <gordonDrogon> pretty fantastic numbers though.
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[16:56] <lrvick> rs says 11 weeks, farnell says 5
[16:56] <lrvick> tough choice there.
[16:56] <buZz> ;)
[16:57] <buZz> well i hope they soon both say 0 weeks
[16:57] <buZz> then i'll be ordering moar
[16:57] <lrvick> I jusr ordered my second
[16:57] <lrvick> starting my pi cluster
[16:57] <lrvick> lol
[16:57] <buZz> :P
[16:57] * booyaa gets dejavu
[16:57] <buZz> booyaa: they changed something in the matrix?
[16:58] <buZz> better run! agents coming!
[16:58] <booyaa> lawlz
[16:59] <dirty_d> lrvick, what is this cluster going to do?
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[17:00] <Hattara-pilvi> Anyone managed to get the bootc's 3.2 kernel working? I have tried with the redy built image as well by compling myself from the source, but no matter what my RPi only blinks the greeb OK led few times and does nothing. I do not even get the rainbow square image
[17:00] <lrvick> thats not important, because I don't really know one
[17:00] <lrvick> BUT IT WILL BE AWESOME
[17:00] <dirty_d> Hattara-pilvi, yea
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[17:01] <Hattara-pilvi> dirty_d: Are you using the NEWEST firmware the one from 2 days ago?
[17:02] <dirty_d> im not sure, its old firmware
[17:02] <dirty_d> i did this a few weeks ago
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> Hattara-pilvi, Linux pi0 3.2.21 #1 PREEMPT Sun Jul 8 19:13:50 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> firmware is a week or 2 old now.
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[17:08] <Hattara-pilvi> I'll try to downgrade the FW to see if i helps
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[17:34] <Blazemore> I sold my Pi for ??65 a week before they announced general availibility
[17:34] <Blazemore> I feel sorry for the guy who bought it
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[17:35] <markllama> Scalper? Entrepreneur? No matter :-)
[17:35] <M0RBD> Blazemore: why it was his choice.
[17:35] <M0RBD> to buy it.
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[17:35] <markllama> really. If you can't be patient and you're willing to pay and you're getting what you expect...
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[17:36] <IT_Sean> Buyer beware
[17:37] <M0RBD> :D
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[17:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> well you still ahve to wait 6-11 weeks depening anyway
[17:41] <reider59> I`m happy to keep mine. It`s done me the world of good uding it and will do for a long long time to come
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[17:41] <RaTTuS|BIG> when I get better at solering I'm going to be abusing mine....
[17:42] <reider59> I had to solder my LCD Module, was dreading it. Thankfully it works and has opened up an whole Vista of stuff to get into inc learning Python.
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[17:43] <reider59> << Used to USB LCD Modules
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[17:46] <gordonDrogon> reider59, it's working now?
[17:47] <M0RBD> RaTTuS|BIG: actually I got mine after 4 weeks from RS
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[17:48] <reider59> Yes, I had to give up on the first approach and go the same rote as Texy with his Python setup. I just don`t understand C so I didn`t want to keep mithering you. I`ll try again when I next wipe the SD Card.
[17:48] <reider59> *route
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[17:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah lead time is 4-6 farnell and 11 rs ... but they will come down
[17:49] <ReggieUK> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18853587
[17:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> I have 3 which is all I need ATM
[17:49] <mervaka> reider59: C is worth learning.
[17:49] <ReggieUK> pi made bbc again
[17:49] <mervaka> it's like, the latin of programming languages.
[17:50] <mervaka> almost
[17:50] <markllama> complete with whacky math.
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[17:52] <reider59> He programmed it in Python for a 16x2 so I changed it to my 20x4 after recalling what you said about line 1/3 and 2/4 I found the codes to start at each line. I noticed Line 1 was 128 and Line 2 about 192 I think, then Line 3 dropped to 148 and 4 was 212 but it all adds up. the 192 in Line 2 + 20 gets it to 211 inc the 192. Ready to start at 212. I checked every cell by adding a digit and can 100% find any ce
[17:52] <reider59> ll on any line now. Had I not known about the split between 1/3 and 2/4 it would have made less sense.
[17:55] <Gadgetoid> One day I'll manage to port my heavily modified and probably rubbish LCD code to WiringPi
[17:55] <mm0zct> I got my Pi to do JTAG
[17:55] <mm0zct> :D
[17:55] <reider59> It`s worth learning but fist off I wished to start with Python, then later go to C. At the moment I take meds which shall we say makes a lot of stuff not add up, brain goes out of tack at times and just makes it harder work. so I`ll start with the Python then do C later. I tried C the other night and had my first headache in years.
[17:55] <Gadgetoid> Jeff's Totally Awesome Guitar!?
[17:55] <mm0zct> but it's slower than the parallel power cable when i run it slow enough to actually work correctly :/
[17:55] <reider59> *first
[17:56] <Gadgetoid> reider59: Generally there's something wrong with you if C *doesn't* give you a headache!
[17:56] <mm0zct> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Test_Action_Group
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[17:56] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'll hack the lcd stuff into the 'gpio' program and you can control the lcd from the command-line :)
[17:57] <Gadgetoid> pointers, and arrays of chars, and???err??? well mostly those
[17:57] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: write an addon driver for lcdproc :D
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[17:58] <mm0zct> is there a way to prototype with high speed signals that works better than breadboard?
[17:58] <mm0zct> I have a feeling my flying leads are the main cause of my problems
[17:58] <mm0zct> then it's probably noisy IO from the Pi
[17:58] <reider59> The rest of today, when I chill from a session with the photography group who cannot even log into a bloomin forum (I spent all session once again putting easy passwords etc for them-one trieds to log in with email addy then wonders why it doesn`t work). when I have I want to have a go at a text file on the Pi desktop. Key in messages to any of 4 lines in there then see the message appear on the LCD, instead of
[17:58] <reider59> adjusting the program yourself, just make the changes in a text file.
[17:59] <ReggieUK> the flying leads and breadboard are undoubtedly causing issues
[18:00] <ReggieUK> as much as idc cables will as well probably
[18:00] <ReggieUK> floaty misfiring IO basically
[18:00] <mm0zct> the idc lead we normally use works happily with the parallel port cable
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[18:01] <mm0zct> it's just the mess of wires from the Pi with resistors etc that's causing problems
[18:01] <mm0zct> I was just wondering if there's a middle step I've forgotten between breadboard and cracking out the solder
[18:01] <ReggieUK> put it this way, I tested gpio-keys driver without using a button, just a bit of hookup wire going into a spare hole
[18:01] <reider59> My power fly leads I made up myself because I didn`t have enough male/female jumper leads. I got an old puter case and cut out a few of the press on power cables to the motherboard. Some were dual and trebl connectors so I snipped off the rest and made them single after pulling the spare wires out. Been working perfectly as POS and NEG power leads.
[18:02] <ReggieUK> waving your hand at it or flicking the hookup wire was enough to generate a button press
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yea, maybe!
[18:02] <ReggieUK> this was with the idc cable and a breadboard
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Bigtrak keypad not working too well )-:
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[18:04] <mm0zct> ReggieUK: I get the same behaviour from the input lines if they are left floating too
[18:04] <mm0zct> but they seem OK tied down when running at <1MHz speeds
[18:04] <reider59> I can link you to my forum where I described what I did....This is the LCD I connected to Pi.......http://wraspi.freeforums.org/lcd-module-to-pi-4-bit-operation-t77.html
[18:05] <reider59> and LCD to Arduino.......http://wraspi.freeforums.org/lcd-connected-to-arduino-board-f36.html
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[18:05] <mm0zct> just going >1MHz the output into the FPGA doesn't seem stable, the return value still is
[18:06] <mm0zct> using a 74HC125 to do level conversion and isolate the Pi from the FPGA
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[18:08] <dutchfish> i used just 1..10 uH choke coils, that worked for me on the low freq signals
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[18:08] <mm0zct> define "low freq"?
[18:09] <dutchfish> less then a few 100 khz
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[18:09] <reider59> Is a text file still a text file in Linux or does it use some other format that can be read as a textfile?
[18:10] <ReggieUK> define text file
[18:10] <reider59> I need the equivelant of a Windows text file that can be typed into on the Pi Desktop
[18:10] <dirty_d> its a text file
[18:10] <dutchfish> mm0zct, basically any serial or parralel port hookup speed
[18:10] <reider59> MyFile.txt
[18:10] <dirty_d> the line endings are just \n
[18:10] <dirty_d> on windows its \r\n
[18:10] <ReggieUK> but it may have different line endings
[18:10] <dirty_d> but you can convert it
[18:11] <ReggieUK> which may or may not cause issues depending on a case by case scenario
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[18:14] <reider59> thx
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[18:23] <Chetic> how can I remotely with ssh start just X and then start programs in that X session?
[18:25] <dmsuse> umm its something like program -display :0 or something
[18:25] <mjr> if you really mean just X then something along the lines of X :0 &
[18:25] <mjr> then DISPLAY=:0 xeyes
[18:25] <drazyl> start X on the local display or run an X program remotely?
[18:26] <Gadgetoid> Chetic: read up on XVFB
[18:26] <mjr> you might want to add -nolisten tcp for X so it won't listen to remote connections
[18:26] <reider59> I use Xming in Windows, start the Pi, SSH in but have it set up to log into Xming which automatically creates a VNC client on the Pi.
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[18:27] <reider59> or starts a VNC Server session I should say
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[18:27] <Chetic> hey mjr that worked brilliantly
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[18:28] <Chetic> thank you!
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> ok. my bigtrak keyboard is working ok - it's just working at a higher resistance than my meter was set to...
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[18:30] <reider59> and you said to "how old are you" when I mentioned my Daft Vader hub ;-) :-)
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> nominally 10K when you push a button )-:
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> hey... I got this off ebay 5 years ago :)
[18:30] <reider59> lol
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> check out the dust: http://unicorn.drogon.net/pitrak.jpg
[18:30] <reider59> woo hoo, got my train set out but I got it years ago lol
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> I have subsequently stripped it and reduced it to it's component parts...
[18:31] <reider59> kidding
[18:31] <reider59> looks kewl!
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> the motors work which is important.
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> and it has the encoder diode.
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> on one motor only.
[18:32] <reider59> It`s surprising what we throw away that may have stuff in we can use, like motors etc.... wish I never threw those printers out now
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[18:33] <gordonDrogon> my plan was to refurbish this one, but it needs work on the mechanicals... so I may use it as a test-bed then buy a new one and strip the controller and put the Pi in it.
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> biggest issue is power (as usual). 4 D cells is only 6V - marginal to power the Pi from.
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[18:34] <dirty_d> grrr, freakin windows makes me mad
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[18:34] <dirty_d> cant install it on a gpt disk partitioned first with linux?
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[18:36] <dmsuse> oh lmao
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> wonder how to get a 12V battery inside the battery compartment.
[18:38] <ReggieUK> make a bigger compartment
[18:38] <przemo_rex> hi. I'm trying to compile kernel to enable raid support but without luck. has anybody managed to enable mdadm raid on raspbarry?
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[18:39] <reider59> You may be able to extend the compartment, a lot of these things use more space than they need for the electrics just because the whole vehicle is big.
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[18:40] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, it's a bit fixed-size....
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> I've taken it to bits - completely.
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> it's a little bigger than 4 D cells, but not much.
[18:41] * ReggieUK must lern2scrollup
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> looking at sealed lead acid...
[18:41] <ReggieUK> make some panniers?
[18:42] <reider59> what voltage can you get in those flat camera batteries I wonder
[18:42] <ReggieUK> 12v sla's will be low ah really for that I Guess
[18:42] <reider59> can you fit 2 cells of those together?
[18:42] <ReggieUK> what kind of unused space is there inside the bigtrak?
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[18:43] <Stoob> you can get fairly tiny 12v batteries
[18:43] <reider59> << presses the test button to listen to Daft Vader breathing, looking for inspiration on Big Trak ;-)
[18:44] <ReggieUK> sure but the AH will be low depending on what you want to do with it
[18:44] <Stoob> http://www.supercircuits.com/Camera-Power-Supplies/Single-Camera-Power-Supplies/MVLBCS-7 4.5AH, not the smallest battery in the world
[18:44] <Stoob> but may be small enough?
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[18:45] <reider59> http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sports-camera.com/Batt-recharge-charger.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sports-camera.com/helmet_cam_accessories.htm&h=1024&w=1280&sz=224&tbnid=RXN3xfq0jPBF8M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=113&zoom=1&usg=__Qhyg_MYDExMyc-fWSSjd51Z6Lsc=&docid=T9m1ijzOo2Vk-M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=e0QEUN66Lcis0QXxzvGvBw&ved=0CIoBEPUBMAQ&dur=752
[18:45] <ReggieUK> you could do 10xAA rechargable batterys to give you around 2.4 Ah @ 12v
[18:45] <Gadget-Mac> How about a 6V SLA rather than 12V ?
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[18:46] <dmsuse> pitbike battery :P
[18:46] <Stoob> or you could use things like http://www.batteryjunction.com/duracell-mn27bpk-12v.html
[18:46] <Stoob> lol
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[18:46] <Gadget-Mac> Then use some sensible voltage regs to get 5v & 3.3v
[18:47] <reider59> Maplins has 12v key fob batteries but I doubt they`d last long
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> not driving the motors...
[18:47] <Gadget-Mac> Why 12V ?
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> Looking at SLAs.
[18:47] <reider59> solar lol, no we only get summer for 1 day
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> 12V as 6V is not high enough to run a 5V regulator off reliably.
[18:47] <Stoob> why not 9?
[18:47] <dmsuse> solars work in cloud
[18:47] <Gadget-Mac> gordonDrogon: Depends on the regulator
[18:47] <ReggieUK> why not 7.4?
[18:47] <Stoob> ah SLA nvm
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> can't get 9V sealed lead avids.
[18:48] <ReggieUK> then all of the RC bats become available
[18:48] <Stoob> why not 9.6?
[18:48] <Stoob> :P
[18:48] <reider59> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Keis-X5-Small-12V-Li-ion-Battery-Pack-and-Charger-/190585040944
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> could make 8V up...
[18:48] <reider59> bit steep
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> yea, I've also seem one of those warmer jackets catch fire...
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[18:49] <ReggieUK> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T34-RC-HELICOPTER-SPARE-PART-15-7-4v-1500MAH-LI-PO-BATTERY-/261033986696?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item3cc6d68a88
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> well, it was the lithium battery that caught fire - under water.
[18:49] <ReggieUK> and of course you get all the funky shaped lipos
[18:49] <IT_Sean> Some tool was stupid enough to wear one of those jackets into the water!?
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> yea, I've seen the LiPo's...
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, yes - in a dry suit - the dry suit leaked and salt water got to the battery.
[18:50] <IT_Sean> wow
[18:50] <IT_Sean> kinda stoopit
[18:50] <reider59> I fancy a helicopter but my plane got out of range and kept dive bombing a car. I was dreading it
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> well - they're commonly used.
[18:50] <mm0zct> diver or sailing/windsurfing?
[18:50] <reider59> thank god it missed
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> diver. when you do deep (125m) 3.5 hour long dives in the atlantic, you need to keep warm
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[18:51] <mm0zct> that would be one of the most terrifying thing I can think of, having something catch fire in my drysuit at any sort of depth
[18:51] <IT_Sean> gordonDrogon: commercial divers typically use a surface fed hot water hose to do that. Not a battery powered heater under the drysuit. That's just asking for trouble.
[18:52] <mm0zct> having any sort of battery inside your suit is just a bad idea
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, Yes. As a verteran of over 2000 dives, I'm fully aware of what commercial divers use...
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[18:52] <IT_Sean> Okay, okay... I was just commenting
[18:52] <reider59> << refrains from commenting about batteries under rubber suits
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> sports divers just don't have those facilities...
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> :)
[18:52] <mm0zct> batteries don't cope well with the change in pressure, the alkaline AAA in my backup dive torch burst on a 20m dive once,
[18:53] <IT_Sean> The last time i dove, my dive computer blew a seal at 100 ft, and shorted out. I was less than thrilled, as you can imagine.,
[18:53] <mm0zct> 0_o
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> mm0zct, sure it wasn't the housing that blew?
[18:54] <IT_Sean> T'was a seal.
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, you had backup... only a 30m dive though :)
[18:54] <ReggieUK> either way it got moist
[18:54] <mm0zct> I put it down to a naff torch that probably didn't seal properly
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> it's a daft sport. I've jumped in with the best part of 10K's worth of kit strapped to me one way or another. Most of it electrinically controlled!
[18:54] <mm0zct> the torch still worked though, even with the leaked battery
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> cameras, strobes - stupidly expensive. torches. Who on earth other than a diver would pay ?400 for a torch!
[18:55] <mm0zct> my primary torch was fine at least
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> dive computers - ?1000's ..
[18:55] <mm0zct> my primary was ??15 from maplin :p
[18:55] <mm0zct> actually it may have been ??25
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a program to generate tables, laminated them and just carried a D timer.
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> The mini Q40's are great.
[18:55] <mm0zct> but still, it's a pretty solid little thing
[18:55] <IT_Sean> GordonDrogon, i had a backup in the form of a secondary depth gauge. But, no air gauge. I ended up aborting the dive.
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, ah, one of those integrated units.
[18:56] <IT_Sean> Continued diving the next day with a new computer
[18:56] <IT_Sean> yah
[18:56] <mm0zct> you should abort the dive anyway even if you do have a backup
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> I never did trust those ...
[18:56] <mm0zct> the backup is to get you out safely
[18:56] <IT_Sean> If i'd had a backup depth and air gauge, i'd have continued.
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> me too.
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> it that had been me..
[18:56] <IT_Sean> But, without a gas readout, i felt it was best to end it.
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> good move.
[18:57] <mm0zct> I only have 1 air gauge when diving, so I guess that's different
[18:57] <mm0zct> student diver with club regs, I don't have much choice :p
[18:57] <IT_Sean> The primary perimeter seal on it blew at about 100 ft, ona 120ft dive.
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[18:57] <IT_Sean> and salt water does not mix well with electronical bits.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> I dive an Inspiration. Done some silly deep stuff. All good fun.
[18:58] <IT_Sean> 120ft is the deepest i have done.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> not always good fun, but mostly.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> that's deep enough.
[18:58] <IT_Sean> Yeah.
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[18:58] <IT_Sean> Any deeper and your no deco time is too short
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> 115m is the deepest I've been. (380ft)
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[18:59] <IT_Sean> Damn.
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> deco just gets stilly then.
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> silly.
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> and cold.
[18:59] <IT_Sean> I dive recreationally, so, i don't feel the need to spend half a day on deco stops :p
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> Yes, it's a "sport" ... :)
[18:59] <IT_Sean> I'm the sort of diver you would probably mock. Warm water for me, please. :p
[19:00] <mm0zct> haha, red sea was a great diving week
[19:00] <NucWin> <-- PADI
[19:00] <mm0zct> the visability compared to the west coast of scotland...
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> no - I think anyone who can dive is cool in my books - warm water or deep cold. it's all good.
[19:00] <IT_Sean> Hey, NucWin... you know what PADI stands for, right? :p
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[19:00] <gordonDrogon> I've done both. BASC AD, PADI DM.
[19:00] <NucWin> dunno
[19:00] <IT_Sean> <-- PADI Advanced, and NITROX certs
[19:01] <IT_Sean> PADI = Put ANother Dollar In
[19:01] <NucWin> lol
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> Pay and Dive Immediatly.
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[19:01] <gordonDrogon> I got fed-up badge collecting and just went diving. Lost track in the end. Did at least 1500 hours on my rebreather and possibly the same before that on open circuit.
[19:02] <NucWin> all this compiling is making this room rather warm think im gonna passout soon
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> :)
[19:02] <IT_Sean> I spend most of my time on shallow water wrecks in the gulf area
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[19:02] <NucWin> it did cost me quite a lot of money for padi i did a 5 or 7 cant quite remember crash course
[19:02] <NucWin> 5/7 day
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> yea, you might as well throw money into the sea )-:
[19:03] <NucWin> 2 dives a day
[19:03] <NucWin> and some paperwork
[19:04] <NucWin> and alot of getting very drunk with the instructors in the evenings
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> stupidly expensive "sport". I even owned 2 boats at one point (not at the same time).
[19:04] <IT_Sean> It's crap, but, they do rather expect to see the little card before they rent you tanks. :/
[19:04] <exo> hey guys. i ordered my pi last week from alliedelec and already thinking of a project to work on with an rPi/ arduino uno. would i be able to power the arduino with the rPi usb port? (going to be running headless with a webserver to interface with the arduino)
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> exo, yes. you can run at least 2 Arduinos off the Pi's USB.
[19:04] <NucWin> nice
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> exo, http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg just one arduino there though.
[19:05] <reider59> from the login is their a way to search for a file called .Xauthority? Because several sites suggest it should be in /var/home/arul and I cannot find it
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> boats are even more of a hold in the sea to throw mony at.
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> ls -l .Xauthority
[19:05] <reider59> thx
[19:05] <IT_Sean> I had a boat once. Sold it before college.
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> find . -name .Xauthority
[19:05] <IT_Sean> Little 18ft runabout.
[19:06] <IT_Sean> Fun thing. But way too expensive to maintain.
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> RIB?
[19:06] <IT_Sean> No.
[19:06] <exo> gordonDrogon: thanks :)
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[19:06] <IT_Sean> Dixie outboard.
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> I had a 15' Zodiac with a 40hp engine on the back... silly little boat, way over powered, but fun... We'd squeeze 4 divers into it!!!
[19:07] <exo> gordonDrogon: is that your setup?
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> exo, yes.
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> exo, well one of them...
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[19:07] <exo> gordonDrogon: what pwr supply are you using? regular cell phone charger?
[19:07] <exo> im thinking of using a blackberry one i have around the house
[19:08] <IT_Sean> I live in NJ though, so, every winter i'd have to pay someone to take it out of the water, drain the fluids, and store it. And then de-winterize it and put it back in the water in the spring
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> exo, that was a long time ago (in Pi terms) so it might have been a phone charger. I use a 700mA Jawbone charger now, as well as a Laptop and a powered hub... (2A PSU)
[19:08] <exo> if i recall i think its a 500mA
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> IT_Sean, yea, never that cold in england.
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> exo, 700mA minimum.
[19:08] <IT_Sean> I miss my little boat sometimes. I do not miss the expenses, though.
[19:08] <exo> hmm, may have to find one then
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[19:09] <nid0> my little boat's a canoe, and has no expenses \o/
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. I searched for 2V batteries - and it's given me 3000VA ones - good for welding then.
[19:09] <NucWin> my friends who moved to aus have bought a boat so all i need now is money for a flight and to find a dive buddy over there lol \o/
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> Doh. AH, not VA.
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> nid0, Heh.. Yea we have an inflatable canoe - it's good fun!
[19:11] <przemo_rex> hi. I'm trying to compile kernel to enable raid support but without luck. has anybody managed to enable mdadm raid on raspbarry?
[19:11] <nid0> "without luck" how?
[19:13] <przemo_rex> I followed the instructions here http://elinux.org/Rpi_kernel_compilation
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> There is no reason Linux MD shouldn't work on a Pi, so make sure you get a basic kernel compiled first.
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> whether it's sensible to run a Pi as a server with RAID is a debate for another place though ;-)
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[19:16] <nid0> well, software raiding two usb drives is dumb regardless
[19:16] <Dagger2> przemo_rex: the wheezy release has raid modules
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[19:25] <TimRiker> running squeeze... what audio device should be usable? alsa? oss? something else?
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[19:26] <JMichaelX> motorola lapdock just arrived :-D
[19:26] <JMichaelX> but, i still lack cables
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[19:31] <TimRiker> what linux releases, if any, include floating point, audio over hdmi and opengles support?
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> TimRiker, Debian give that, but Raspbian which is a version of Debian Wheezy will do the hardware fp by default.
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[19:51] <aaa801> http://pastie.org/4267287
[19:51] <aaa801> :<
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[20:22] <Syliss> Oi
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[20:42] <krnlpanic> I give up.. :/ Arch Linux-arm: ldconfig: /usr/lib/ not a symbolic link when installing anything with pacman... I've been up and down on google but can't find what's causing it... I read somwhere that it had something to do with libspotify.so but pacman -R libspotify(.so) results in package not found.. anyone have this happen before?
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[20:43] <krnlpanic> I must have something wrong somewhere because now I cant exec mocp... (segment fault)..
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[20:43] <krnlpanic> arf
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[20:44] <NucWin> ooooh trying to build spotify on a pi.... ive considered that but still playing with gentoo hf atm
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[20:44] <rabbidrabbit> I don't know about arch linux arm, but arch recently had an update the move /lib to /usr/lib and made /lib a symlink. Did you have an update that failed.
[20:44] <rabbidrabbit> http://www.archlinux.org/news/the-lib-directory-becomes-a-symlink/
[20:45] <krnlpanic> rabbidrabbit: Quite possibly... lemme look into that. Thank you!
[20:45] <plugwash> slightly OT but does anyone have a feel for what communication between different countries on the internet is like
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[20:45] <booyaa> rabbidrabbit: my update failed epically thanks for the tip
[20:45] <plugwash> in particular how good connections between asia and australia tend to be
[20:46] * booyaa noticed vcgencmd broke after the update, no idea what else broke
[20:46] <booyaa> so far it's not been terminal
[20:46] <Hattara-pilvi> Is old analog tv style moving corryption and general hang marks of a bad powersupply?
[20:47] <rabbidrabbit> booyaa: It's only terminal if you force the install.
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[20:48] <Hattara-pilvi> rabbidrabbit: We didn't to that update on the ARM side yet (altought kmod was updated which broke module loading)
[20:48] <plugwash> Hattara-pilvi, it would certainly be one explanation
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[20:49] <plugwash> moving corruption is generally caused by mains interference (since the referesh rate is usually similar to but not exactly the same as the mains frequency)
[20:49] <plugwash> and one of the most likely ways for mains interference to get in is through a bad power supply
[20:49] <TimRiker> rpi_pisces_r3.img does not boot up all the way to a console for me.
[20:50] <rabbidrabbit> Hattara-pilvi: oh, ok. Though I think kmod now looks in /usr/lib.
[20:50] <Hattara-pilvi> rabbidrabbit: Yeh we updated the kmod, but not glibc or kernel XD it is being fixed now...
[20:51] * Hattara-pilvi wonders why he is usin word "we" even tought he is not offically involved in ArchLinuxARM
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[20:52] <Hattara-pilvi> krnlpanic: try just -R libspotify without that (.so) thing
[20:52] <krnlpanic> error: failed retrieving file 'procps-ng-3.3.3-3-arm.pkg.tar.xz' from mirror.archlinuxarm.org : The requested URL returned error: 404
[20:52] <krnlpanic> Hattara-pilvi: I tried both ways
[20:54] <Hattara-pilvi> krnlpanic: And what does it tell
[20:54] <krnlpanic> Hattara-pilvi: error: target not found: libspotify
[20:54] <Hattara-pilvi> krnlpanic: That means that oackage is not installed
[20:55] <Hattara-pilvi> Or that you have borked your package database
[20:55] <krnlpanic> Hattara-pilvi: I understand that... "I read somwhere that it had something to do with libspotify.so but pacman -R libspotify(.so) results in package not found.."
[20:56] <Hattara-pilvi> krnlpanic: What is your main problem? Why are you trying to uninstall non existing package
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[20:57] <krnlpanic> Hattara-pilvi: Everytime I install a package using pacman I get the following error: 'ldconfig /usr/lib/ not a symbolic link'
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[20:57] <Hattara-pilvi> krnlpanic: libspotify has nothing to do with that....
[20:57] <Hattara-pilvi> That is for sure
[20:57] <nickds> hello
[20:57] <nickds> I was wondering if I could have some assistance with omxplayer ?
[20:57] <Hattara-pilvi> nickds: Hi there! ^-^
[20:58] <nickds> hi :)
[20:58] <krnlpanic> Hattara-pilvi: In my original question I had stated that I have been up and down google searching an so far that is the only thing i can find regarding this issue
[20:58] <Hattara-pilvi> nickds: Sure can, but for that to happen you need to tell how
[20:59] <nickds> Ok, well everytime I try to load omxplayer, be it from bash, or within lxde/mate using terminal, it bombs me out with the message "have a nice day".
[20:59] <nickds> I have tried with raspbian and squeeze beta
[20:59] <nickds> I have read the log and found an error that I cant work out
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[20:59] <Hattara-pilvi> nickds: Did you give it a media file as parameter?
[20:59] <nickds> omxplayer -o hdmi test.avi
[21:00] <nickds> ERROR: COMXCoreComponent::DecoderEventHandler OMX.broadcom.audio_render - OMX_ErrorInsufficientResources, insufficient resources
[21:00] <nickds> ERROR: COMXAudio::Initialize - Error m_omx_tunnel_decoder.Establish 0x80001000
[21:00] <mpthompson> nickds, what memory split with the GPU are you using?
[21:00] <nickds> ERROR: COMXCoreComponent::DecoderEventHandler OMX.broadcom.audio_mixer - OMX_ErrorPortUnpopulated (0), cannot parse input stream
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[21:00] <nickds> I dont know, is there a quick way to check
[21:01] <Hattara-pilvi> nickds: cp /boot/{arm128_,}start.elf
[21:01] <nickds> My sound doesnt work, never has done on any debian ive tried on my pi, ive used modprobe and everything ive read but still no audio, dont know if omxplayer error is linked to audio
[21:01] <Hattara-pilvi> nickds: reboot and it should work
[21:01] <nickds> where am i copying it from and to
[21:01] <nickds> just to learn :) what files am i playing with
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[21:03] <mpthompson> nickds: cp /boot/arm128_start.elf /boot/start.elf
[21:03] <nickds> ok thanks will try that! will leave the channel as im on irssi
[21:03] <nickds> but many thanks :)
[21:03] <mpthompson> good luck.
[21:04] <nickds> how do i quit irssi lol
[21:04] <nickds> first time ive used it ;)
[21:04] <nickds> linux beginner here, but i like debian
[21:04] <Hattara-pilvi> /boot folder has files arm128_start.elf arm192_start.elf and arm224_start.elf. The number on those tells how much of RAM you want your general applications to have. The rest of the total 254MB is then given to the GPU for 3D and video decoding. then there is star.elf in there too. this is just an copy of one of the arm... files and is thj one that gets used
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[21:04] <Hattara-pilvi> ***252MB
[21:04] <krnlpanic> welp, going to bed I guess, day 4 of this error tomorrow
[21:05] <krnlpanic> night all
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[21:07] <nickds> hello again
[21:08] <nickds> still giving me the same message :(
[21:08] <IT_Sean> Ahoy
[21:08] <nickds> it was the 128 file I was meant to copy wasnt it to get the split ?
[21:09] <rabbidrabbit> the 128 file will give the you the smallest amount of memory
[21:09] <nickds> which will give me the most gpu to make omxplayer work, omx player isnt starting
[21:10] <rabbidrabbit> oh right I got you
[21:10] <Hattara-pilvi> nickds: fire up alsamixer and see if the sound module is loaded
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[21:11] <nickds> in bash >
[21:11] <Hattara-pilvi> ***in console
[21:11] <izibi> is it possible to power the rpi using the header pins instead of microusb? so are these just connected or is there any fancy stuff in between?
[21:13] <nickds> just got omxplayer to play a h264 hd mkv but not a xvid avi :/
[21:13] <nickds> and still no sound
[21:13] <nickds> and i cant install alsamixer :(
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[21:13] <Hattara-pilvi> nickds: What is your distro?
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[21:14] <nickds> raspbian
[21:14] <Hattara-pilvi> nickds: install alsa-utils package alsamixer should be there
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[21:14] <nickds> which one are you using ?
[21:15] <nickds> try the pisces mate, its faster than lxde i think
[21:15] <nickds> and much much nicer
[21:16] <Hattara-pilvi> nickds: I'm on Arch. Can't even think of using anything else. Gentoo mayby but I try to avoid debian stuff like if they were infected with smallpox
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> why the anti-debian bias?
[21:18] <gordonDrogon> izibi, it is possible to power the Pi via the 5V line on the GPIO connector, but it's not recommended as there is no polyfuse protection.
[21:18] <Hattara-pilvi> Overly comlicated and I canno't stand the versioned libs. One verison per library os more than enought
[21:19] <plugwash> powering through the GPIO header is fine
[21:19] <Hattara-pilvi> And I do not like the way packages are 2 years old....
[21:19] <plugwash> if your power supply is capable of supplying more than a few amps into a short circuit then i'd put some overcurrent protection in
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[21:21] <rabbidrabbit> I agree with Hattara-pilvi. After moving from debian to arch I haven't looked back. I love arch.
[21:22] <izibi> i just have the stupid idea of putting a battery there. for... let's call it 'uptime protection' :D
[21:25] <IT_Sean> do you NEED "uptime protection" on your raspi, or is it just for epeen?
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[21:28] <izibi> just for fun ;)
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> root@pi0:~# uptime
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> 20:27:38 up 5 days, 1:11, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> more by the accident of not being here to use it and reboot it!
[21:30] <IT_Sean> You'll need a charging circuit for whatever battery type you use, and a set of relays to switch to the battery when the mains supply goes down
[21:30] <izibi> that's not fair! just got mine today :D
[21:30] <IT_Sean> etc...
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[21:30] <gordonDrogon> hows this for not fair: 20:28:46 up 1357 days, 22:34, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[21:31] <izibi> nice :D
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> Oh, Hattara-pilvi that's running Debian FWIW :-)
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[21:32] <Hattara-pilvi> gordonDrogon: O_o what?
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> Hattara-pilvi, the uptime of the server I just posted...
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[21:35] <rabbidrabbit> gordonDrogon: Do you ever update the kernel? Don't you need to reboot after updating the kernel?
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> rabbidrabbit, not on that machine, no. it's relatively safe.
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> it's one of a pair and it's counterpart does get updated and tested from time to time.
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> it's uptime is only 377 days.
[21:36] <rabbidrabbit> lol
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[21:36] <IT_Sean> The longest uptime i ever had was 363 days. Was going for a full year. Accidentally approved a system update on day 363. :/
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> oops :)
[21:37] <IT_Sean> ... on a desktop machine, not a server. :p
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> I had a Dell that just stopped one day - 4 years and about a week of constant uptime.
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> not bad for a desktop.
[21:37] <IT_Sean> Mine was a PowerMac G3 (333MHz) running Mac OS 10.2
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> I'm going to need to reboot it at some point though - when I built it, I foolishly didn't include IPv6 in the kernel.
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> so now I have IPv6, I need to install a new kernel. Or new hardware, but ...
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> maybe it'll go another 4 years :)
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> hard to know what'll fail first )-:
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[21:41] <Matt> I forget what the longest uptime on my boxen is
[21:41] <Matt> I think over 1000 days
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[21:41] * gordonDrogon nods. it's impressive...
[21:42] <Matt> but it was running a kernel that had the uptime wrap-round bug
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> I then get frightened to power cycle stuff that's been up a long time - things like the bios batterys fail..
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> Ah yes, I remembe that. 479 days or somthing...
[21:42] <Matt> so the uptime would reset every 497+change days
[21:43] <Matt> I recall it wrapped round twice
[21:43] <Matt> so I think it hit 1000 days
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> good going!
[21:44] <Matt> Supermicro P5XTRA, with an Intel 166MMX and 96MB RAM
[21:44] <Matt> and IIRC, a 6.4GB HDD
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> Old PC, but obviously one that was well built.
[21:44] <Matt> although back then it might have been in its previous incarnation with a 3.2GB disk and a 2.4GB disk
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> My long-uptime PC here is running 100% from RAM - it boots of a flash IDE drive.
[21:45] <Matt> that's what killed the uptime - the 2.4GB drive crapped out
[21:45] <Matt> then I replaced it with the 6.4, which has been going ever since
[21:45] <Matt> that box was finally decomissioned last year
[21:46] <Matt> the PSU was from a Viglen Vig II 286, circa 1989
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> you got a goodun!
[21:46] <Matt> and ran 24/7 from about '95 onwards
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> although saying that, the only PSU I've had fail in a server in a data centre was one that was one in a redundant PSU server and it took out the other one atthe same time )-:
[21:46] <Matt> they don't make hardware like that anymore :)
[21:47] <Matt> ah, I've seen plenty of PSUs fail
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[21:47] <Matt> actually, that reminds me
[21:47] <Matt> I need to get this cross-ship form sent off to supermicro for $client to replace a failed psu :)
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> yes - on desktops and cheap desktops pressed into use as servers...
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[21:56] <grzywacz> hi
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[22:00] <Hattara-pilvi> grzywacz: ^-^
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[22:05] <magnus_> so this is more like a general linux question really, but im working with the RPi so: i got the serial port working, up to the point where the linux kernel hands over to the "real" console during bootup. from what i can understand, after the handover, an app (getty) multiplexes all virtual terminals, kernel messages from /dev/console etc into the serial port. i'm not running any getty app on my RPi. do i have to? what can I do to ge
[22:05] <magnus_> t the full bootup sequence on the serial port, even beyond the handover?
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[22:07] <grzywacz> magnus_, if you want to be able to log-in, then yes. /etc/inittab is used for configuration in this case
[22:07] <magnus_> grzywacz, i'm guessing getty app reads this /etc/inittab?
[22:07] <grzywacz> magnus_, init does and starts getty
[22:08] <magnus_> oh, ok. explains why getty isn't running, cause i have no inittab on my system
[22:08] <magnus_> i only want to see all kernel messages, i don't necessarily have to be able to login. but right now all messages stop at the handover point
[22:08] <grzywacz> magnus_, I assumed you are going to use init (the sysv one)
[22:09] <Hattara-pilvi> magnus_: line like this "s0:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -8 -s 115200 ttyS0 linux" start the getty on the serial console if I am not completely mistaken
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[22:11] <booyaa> magnus_: still having probs with serial?
[22:11] <magnus_> booyaa, well, i've verified that the serial is working. it's just not outputting anything beyond a certain point during the linux bootup
[22:12] <magnus_> so it's more like a linux configuration issue at the moment. but im closing in on the problem, has to be related with inittab stuff
[22:13] <booyaa> magnus_: just out of interest which distro are you using again?
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[22:14] <magnus_> openelec atm
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[22:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: try to upload this code to an ATMega: http://pastebin.com/6cRvxMDU
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, give me 5 mins and I'll have a look - got to plug something in first...
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[22:43] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: It's a curio, there's a "feature" of AVRDUDE where it will ask the Arduino to erase its flash memory, and then skip any empty pages (128x0xff) in the upload process... the Arduino ignores the erase command and ends up with garbage where there should be 128x0xff
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[22:45] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, it won't compile.
[22:46] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: That's a good start :D probably needs #include <avr/pgmspace.h>
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> drcArduino.c: In function ?loop?:
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> drcArduino.c:31: error: initializer element is not constant
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> Maybe I ought to do this inside the IDE...
[22:48] <Gadgetoid> Weird :D
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[22:51] <Gadgetoid> Trying to get the Arduino IDE working on my Pandora again, for giggles
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[22:54] <gordonDrogon> Uploading ... avrdude: verification error, first mismatch at byte 0x0080
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> 0xff != 0xb7
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> avrdude: verification error; content mismatch
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> I presume that's the error you're seeing?
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[23:00] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Yup, that's the one!
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[23:01] <Gadgetoid> You have to patch AVRDude for it to work, eee!
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[23:09] <Syliss> oi
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> can't you just put in some dummy data before it, so it's not at the start of a page?
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> I didn't understand the 'atest' either.
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> I changed it to:
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> unsigned char test [] PROGMEM = { // 84x48
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> and
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[23:15] <gordonDrogon> prog_uchar *ptest = &test [0];
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> to make it compile without warnings.
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> I'm a noob :D
[23:19] <Gadgetoid> I was writing 0xffs that far exceeded a pagesize, so I couldn't pad them- they just happened to be whitespace in my lcd images
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[23:22] <Gadgetoid> I plan on devising my own compression scheme, anyway
[23:23] <peol> Does anyone know where (which repository) I should watch for the development of ALSA for the rpi?
[23:24] <Hattara-pilvi> peol the kernel...
[23:24] <Hattara-pilvi> And alsa is working fine on the new kernels
[23:24] <peol> Hattara-pilvi, thought so??? I just thought it was done in some specific fork, and there's rougly 1k forks :)
[23:25] <Hattara-pilvi> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
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[23:25] <peol> Hattara-pilvi, really? I know the xbmc guys has been waiting for ALSA stuff (they've disabled a few things in the rpi-builds because of it)
[23:25] <peol> and thanks for the link :)
[23:26] <Hattara-pilvi> peol: Alsa is fine on my Arch
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[23:26] <Hattara-pilvi> Haven't tested the analog output toughht, nly trought HDMI
[23:27] <peol> Hattara-pilvi, yeah, it's working for me as well, but I got the sense that they're waiting for more internal ALSA stuff to be ported/done/fixed. :)
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[23:32] * Gadgetoid quietly replaces all his prog_char with prog_uchar
[23:33] <Gadgetoid> Good night all!
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[23:42] <exo> anyone here with a rPI and an arduino?
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:43] <runde> yep
[23:44] <exo> have you guys tried using inotool with the rPI?
[23:44] <exo> under linux
[23:44] <exo> ...
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> I've never heard of it, so I guess not...
[23:45] <exo> of course under linux
[23:45] <exo> http://inotool.org/
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Well, it appears to be the way I've been developing software for the past 30 years or so...
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> however I write m own Makefiles...
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> and use vi (or vim) as the editor.
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[23:46] <gordonDrogon> and I don't need python for my stuff either.
[23:47] <exo> well, im trying to find a way to write code/then upload it to the arduino via cmd line
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> that's what I do all the time I'm devleoping ATmega code...
[23:47] <exo> came across that. maybe there is an easier way?
[23:47] <exo> ah.
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> you just need to know how to compile, link and use avrdude.
[23:48] <exo> can you point me in the right direction ?
[23:48] <exo> avrdude?
[23:48] <exo> k k
[23:48] <exo> i'll look into thata
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> avrdude is the program that uploads a .hex file to the atmega.
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[23:48] <gordonDrogon> what arduino do you have?
[23:48] <exo> uno r3
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> ok. hang on moment or 2.
[23:49] <exo> thanks
[23:49] <exo> have you guys used alliedelectronics to purchase the pi?
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> the biggest issue is going to work out how to link in the wiring stuff.
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> I used RS and Farnell in the UK.
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[23:54] <gordonDrogon> exo, ok - so it's tricky using the standard arduino installs - mostly because you'll need to compile & link in with the arduino libraries - wiring.h, serial, and so on.
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[23:54] <gordonDrogon> It works for me because I wrote my own replacement wiring library...
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> so maybe starting with that inotool might be a good idea.
[23:56] <exo> k k sounds good
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[23:57] <gordonDrogon> If you want, have a look at: http://unicorn.drogon.net/Makefile
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[23:57] <gordonDrogon> that's a makefile from one of my projects.
[23:57] <exo> whoops
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[23:57] <exo> got dc'd
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> If you want, have a look at: http://unicorn.drogon.net/Makefile
[23:58] <exo> k
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[23:58] <gordonDrogon> so if you look at the 'uno' section, it has the avrdude command in it to send the .hex file to the Arduino via USB.
[23:59] <exo> @avrdude -qq -p $(MCU) -P /dev/ttyACM0 -c arduino -b 115200 -U flash:w:$(TARGET).hex:i
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> the @ just tells make to not echo the command.
[23:59] <exo> yeah

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