#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-07-18

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:05] <bonks> hey guys, just got my raspberry pi. am I able to use any usb wifi adapter with it?
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[0:08] <Billiard> bonks: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_WiFi_Adapters
[0:08] <bonks> sweet, thanks I'll check my model
[0:10] <likarish> friggle: the pibow looks pretty neat. Am I right that you can add or remove "layers" as you mod/unmod your raspi?
[0:11] <bonks> darn, none of my adapters are on there
[0:11] <Billiard> the list is not complete of course
[0:11] <friggle> likarish: seems to be what's claimed here http://pibow.com/help/about-the-pibow.html
[0:11] <bonks> Billiard: oh true, I shall test it then
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[0:16] <aaa801> LANNNNNNN :3
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[0:19] <bonks> Looks like I should've purchased more parts for the raspi =/
[0:19] <aaa801> parts?
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[0:20] <midnightmagic> RTL8187-based wifi seem to work with my rpi
[0:20] <ReggieUK> friggle, pibow seems a bit vague on delivery times?
[0:20] <bonks> aaa801: wifi and sdcard
[0:20] <bonks> im going to need a usb power too
[0:20] <bonks> i only have one for my phone
[0:20] <aaa801> You in england?
[0:21] <bonks> me? no, usa
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[0:21] <aaa801> they sell ?1 usb adapters over here in pound shops
[0:21] <friggle> ReggieUK: yes, I suppose it is :/
[0:21] <aaa801> ;P
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[0:22] <ReggieUK> they've spent plenty of time on the ts&cs
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[0:30] <katom> g'nite
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[0:34] <aaa801> !@"@"%!%!%
[0:34] <techsurvivor> were you trying a new kernel on it?
[0:34] <aaa801> :(
[0:34] <aaa801> i forgot to turn the timer down and closed the door
[0:34] <aaa801> 2 FREKING SECONDS
[0:34] <aaa801> BOOM
[0:35] <aaa801> q_q
[0:35] * plugwash thinks of the mythbusters episode where they tested C4 in a microwave
[0:35] <GriffenJBS> which package contains /lib/modules/3.1.9+ ?
[0:37] <Mike632T> Oh totally awesome - I have blinken lights... driven off an MCP23017 well chuffed
[0:38] <Mike632T> Does anyone know if I can drive TTL 74' series of the MCP23017 safely ..?
[0:39] <techsurvivor> do the modules actually come in a package or are they just copied over to the image like when building a kernel?
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[0:40] <friggle> GriffenJBS: if you're using my wheezy armel image or http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=11365 then they're in raspberrypi-bootloader (yes, it's a little ugly cramming kernel+modules+vc stuff all in one package)
[0:41] <techsurvivor> does the "stock" image have such a package though ? I thought they just pulled down "user land" packages from the arm debian repo. I figured the rpi people just kind of "installed" them on the image like I do after building a kernel, that's all strictly a hypothesis :)
[0:42] * Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk
[0:43] <techsurvivor> mostly because I couldn't find anything using dpkg -S and some of the kernel module *.ko names
[0:43] <friggle> techsurvivor: well, the new stock images have those packages :) http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1435 and http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=11365 is about to become official
[0:43] <friggle> techsurvivor: but no, it's not in a .deb in the squeeze image
[0:43] <techsurvivor> ah good to know... thanks
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[0:44] <techsurvivor> i'm building my own experimental kernels off of bootc's stuff anyway
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[1:01] <markbook> Hrrm. The el-cheapo CA-42 cables I just got only have 3 conductors. they pin out to GND, TX and RX, but no 3.3V
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[1:02] <markbook> well if the 3 conductor ones don't work on the PI, I know they will on the dockstars so I might be doing some more soldering.
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[1:36] <PiBot> Sever thunder storms incoming. Bot will be down for a short period.
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[1:39] <IT_Sean> kinky
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[1:51] <friggle> if you've been waiting to jump to raspbian, wait no longer http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1605
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[1:59] <Arch-MBP> woohoo
[1:59] <IT_Sean> ?
[2:00] <ReggieUK> it's the official foundation image release IT_Sean
[2:00] <IT_Sean> Ah
[2:00] <IT_Sean> Right
[2:00] <IT_Sean> That
[2:01] <ReggieUK> direct download link now and officially official :D
[2:01] <friggle> approximately 1000000% official
[2:01] <IT_Sean> that sounds pretty official
[2:02] <ReggieUK> sounds exponentially official
[2:02] <IT_Sean> Perhaps.
[2:02] <Arch-MBP> bigger number means better right?
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[2:05] <ReggieUK> unless it's a zombie horde
[2:05] <ReggieUK> or sharks
[2:05] <IT_Sean> or idiotic users
[2:05] <Arch-MBP> lol
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[2:07] <IT_Sean> or skunks.
[2:08] <friggle> I wish there were more pictures of the pibow
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[2:08] <Arch-MBP> or sharks WITH lazers
[2:09] <IT_Sean> frickin' sharks with fricken' lazer beams on their frickin' heads?
[2:09] <IT_Sean> !!?
[2:09] <ukgamer> i was just about to say that
[2:09] <Arch-MBP> lol
[2:10] <IT_Sean> :p
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[2:19] <Syliss> well at least i got the raspbian image earlier. love not having to wait :P
[2:20] <Arch-MBP> word
[2:20] <IT_Sean> word?
[2:20] <Syliss> hella
[2:20] * MrZYX is now known as MrZYX|off
[2:21] <Arch-MBP> kartman...stop saying hella
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[2:22] <Milos|Netbook> IT_Sean, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=word
[2:23] <Arch-MBP> IT_Sean: "word" is a slang word for agreed
[2:23] <IT_Sean> Bah.
[2:23] <Arch-MBP> or what Milos|Netbook said
[2:24] <IT_Sean> Congratulations. The English language lies battered, broken, and bleeding at your feet.
[2:24] <IT_Sean> :|
[2:25] <ReggieUK> it wouldn't be the first time
[2:25] <Arch-MBP> well they except ebonics at one time
[2:25] <Arch-MBP> err excepted
[2:26] <ReggieUK> excepted?
[2:26] <IT_Sean> accepted?
[2:26] <Arch-MBP> ohh yeah what you said
[2:26] * IT_Sean sighs
[2:27] <Arch-MBP> heh
[2:27] <Syliss> cool, took apart my old*** mn-510 wifi adapter. the usb cable is detachable! its only b, but thats fine
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[3:16] <Crenn-NAS> Seems posting the idea about 1.8" HDDs and the RPi on twitter is quite popular now
[3:16] <Crenn-NAS> I've been followed by a lot of people last night and had a lot of questions
[3:17] <phire> Is it easy to get a hold of 1.8" HDDs these days?
[3:19] <Syliss> really depends
[3:19] <Arch-MBP> wow there expensive
[3:19] <Syliss> used iPods and creative zens have them
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[3:19] <longbyte1> hello
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[3:20] <longbyte1> I have a SanDisk 8GB class 6 sd card
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[3:21] <longbyte1> And I want to install Raspbian Wheezy from Windows 7.
[3:21] <longbyte1> But I want it this way: Two partitions, a system partition, and a files partition.
[3:21] <longbyte1> Is this possible?
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[3:22] <ReggieUK> can't do it all from windows 7
[3:22] <ReggieUK> and you'll have 3 partitions
[3:23] <ReggieUK> boot, rootfs (system) and a files partition
[3:23] <waynix> longbyte1 The standard image is about 2GB big you can use teh rest of the space for your files
[3:23] <ReggieUK> just install the image as instructed using the windows image tool
[3:23] <waynix> formating can of the files partition cyn be done from the raspberry
[3:24] <ReggieUK> then when you've got that done, boot the image and resize from the command line
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[3:24] <ReggieUK> erm, sorry, that should be create a partition in the remaining space
[3:25] <longbyte1> So, when there's another raspbian version, how will I write an image w/o destroying everything?
[3:25] <ReggieUK> you probably won't need to
[3:25] <richardcreme> hi pi guys 8]
[3:26] <longbyte1> Just like the dongles, I don't need to worry about them, but what if I do need to?
[3:26] <ReggieUK> the chances are you will update the kernel and some modules
[3:27] <longbyte1> And that will be done through the OS?
[3:27] <ReggieUK> and firmware
[3:27] <ReggieUK> yes
[3:27] <longbyte1> Wait, what about the firmware?
[3:27] <longbyte1> What do I do about that?
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[3:28] <ReggieUK> you don't need to do much with it, except when it's updated with fixes and it's an 'offline' file once you're in the os, so you can easily update it without breaking stuff
[3:28] <longbyte1> Okay.
[3:28] <longbyte1> Well, thanks for the help.
[3:28] <ReggieUK> you're welcome
[3:28] <waynix> your welcome
[3:28] <longbyte1> Oh yeah, one last thing.
[3:29] <longbyte1> What is the preferred filesystem for the SD card?
[3:29] <ReggieUK> fat for the boot partition (not preferred, it *must* be that)
[3:29] <waynix> fat32 if you want to read the files from windows
[3:29] <longbyte1> fat16 or fat32?
[3:29] <ReggieUK> fat16
[3:30] <ReggieUK> and the rootfs will be ext4
[3:31] <longbyte1> Oh, well this sd card seems to be pre-formatted.
[3:31] <ReggieUK> up to you what you do with the 'files' partition but it would probably be best to make it ext3/4
[3:31] <longbyte1> And how exactly do I partition the sd?
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[3:31] <ReggieUK> google parted
[3:34] <ReggieUK> it also depends what you want to do with this 'files' partition
[3:34] <waynix> or fat32(>4GB) if you want to be able to plug the sd cad to winows
[3:34] <longbyte1> gparted?
[3:34] <longbyte1> for windows?
[3:34] <ReggieUK> if you make it ext4 you won't be able to see it in windows
[3:34] <longbyte1> That would have been my choice, except that I doubted that it was for windows.
[3:34] <ReggieUK> parted for linux
[3:34] <ReggieUK> no g
[3:34] <ReggieUK> not sure if gparted is in the repos or not
[3:35] <ReggieUK> but there are plenty of tutorials rolling around the internet for parted/gparted etc.
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[3:36] <Crenn-NAS> phire: On eBay, yes
[3:36] <Crenn-NAS> Arch-MBP: For the size, it's worth it
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[3:36] <Arch-MBP> Crenn-NAS: what would you use to hook it up just a regular cf card reader to usb?
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[3:40] <Crenn-NAS> Arch-MBP: The HDD I have isn't a CF interface, so I can't use those (remember, you have to provide the power it needs to turn on the HDD, not all of the readers will have enough)
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[3:41] <Crenn-NAS> However I'm getting a USB HDD case which has a ZIF interface
[3:41] <Arch-MBP> Crenn-NAS: damn you!! *spends even more money on the rpi*
[3:41] <longbyte1> all I'm finding are images, not executables...
[3:41] <Crenn-NAS> longbyte1: You need the imaging software, it's free though
[3:41] <Crenn-NAS> Take a look at the flashing an SD card guide!
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[3:42] <Crenn-NAS> longbyte1: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
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[3:42] <Crenn-NAS> Arch-MBP: Hehehe, what HDD are you getting?
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[3:43] <Arch-MBP> longbyte1: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
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[3:43] <Arch-MBP> Crenn-NAS: i donno im looking on ebay
[3:43] <Crenn-NAS> Arch-MBP: You can possible get a mSATA HDD now, it might be cheaper than getting an old ZIF HDD
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[3:44] <longbyte1> Yeah, but I don't want to #1 make my sd card possibly read-only, #2 make a mess and/or possible destruction
[3:44] <longbyte1> So I need partitions, please. On windows.
[3:44] <longbyte1> And gparted seems to only have images to boot on, not programs.
[3:45] <valkaiser> Curse those Dungeons of Doom!
[3:45] <ReggieUK> not going to happen
[3:45] <Arch-MBP> longbyte1: the most i can offer you is to get the gparted live cd and use that
[3:45] <ReggieUK> no matter how loud you shout for ponies
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[3:45] <Crenn-NAS> Arch-MBP: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Toshiba-1-8-80GB-4200-rpm-8MB-Laptop-Micro-SATA-mSATA-HDD-Festplatte-Hard-Disk-/180886703748?pt=DE_Elektronik_Computer_Computer_Festplatten&hash=item2a1db00e84
[3:45] <Crenn-NAS> Not too bad a price^
[3:46] <Arch-MBP> Crenn-NAS: now i have to find one in the US heh
[3:46] <Crenn-NAS> longbyte1: I'm using windows 7 to do it
[3:46] <Crenn-NAS> Arch-MBP: Why find one in the US? ;P
[3:46] <Crenn-NAS> It all comes from the same factory ;P
[3:46] <Arch-MBP> lol because its cheaper
[3:46] <longbyte1> Okay, so will this make my sd card read-only?
[3:46] <Arch-MBP> well that???s true
[3:46] <longbyte1> Or resize the card size to a small size?
[3:47] <Crenn-NAS> longbyte1: No, if you wanted that, there is a little switch on the side of the SD card to do that!
[3:47] <longbyte1> Well, ok, thanks
[3:47] <Crenn-NAS> longbyte1: It will image it to a small size and there will be x amount unallocated
[3:47] <longbyte1> Which I can repartition?
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[3:48] <valkaiser> Does the RasPi honor the read-only switch? I was under the impression that it didn't.
[3:48] <Crenn-NAS> The image will ask if you want to resize the partition, in your case, you probably want no, however be warned if you reimage your SD card, it will possibly destory that partition you made
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[3:48] <longbyte1> Okay...
[3:48] <longbyte1> So it's better to just keep it like this?
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[3:49] <longbyte1> Just write and forget about partitions?
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[3:50] <Arch-MBP> Crenn-NAS: lol by the time you get the drive, case and adapter you could buy 2-3 rpi's
[3:51] <Crenn-NAS> Yep!
[3:51] <Arch-MBP> Crenn-NAS: AND by the time you add all of that up you might as well just geta netbook and install linux on it
[3:51] <Crenn-NAS> Arch-MBP: But will it be as low powered? ;P
[3:52] <longbyte1> well thanks
[3:52] <Crenn-NAS> Vostok: Unknown
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[3:52] <Arch-MBP> well it will be 3 times more powerfull
[3:52] <Crenn-NAS> longbyte1: Yeah, if you want to backup your data before reimaging, just select read instead of write in the program
[3:52] <Crenn-NAS> I've done that myself!
[3:53] <Crenn-NAS> Arch-MBP: Processing power isn't everything ;P
[3:53] <Arch-MBP> lol
[3:53] <Arch-MBP> its not?
[3:53] <Crenn-NAS> I had the HDD laying around, so I don't have to buy one
[3:54] <Crenn-NAS> It's not, space is what's needed the most in some cases
[3:54] <Crenn-NAS> But anyway
[3:54] <Crenn-NAS> bbl
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[4:08] <unreal-dude> \o/ pi showed up finally :)
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[4:11] <cadorett> I've googled around for this and can't find much info. When I'm putting out any form of audio over HDMI but the volume is low, there is a consistent hissing sound. Has anyone experienced this?
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[4:28] <ReggieUK> did you look on the forums?
[4:28] <ReggieUK> if the info is anywhere, that would be the place to start
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[4:30] <Gorroth> hi
[4:30] <Gorroth> getting my rpi in a few months
[4:31] <Gorroth> you guys recommend putting raspbian on it?
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[4:34] <markbook> right now Debian, raspbian, ArchLinux are probably the choices.
[4:35] <markbook> I actually like ArchLinux for ARM, but others will have other preferences.
[4:35] <Gorroth> okay. seemed like raspbian was the only one with some special tweaks to make it faster on the rpi
[4:35] <Gorroth> is that right?
[4:35] <markbook> I'm waiting for Fedora just because I work at Red Hat, but right now I have Arch on 2 pogo plugs, two dockstars and a pi
[4:35] <markbook> I think that may be right.
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[4:36] <markbook> I suspect the Fedora one when it gets here will as well, but until they re-release the Pi respin with a properl F17 or F18 kernel we won't know.
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[4:42] <Nosophorus> hi
[4:43] <Gorroth> i have a guruplug myself
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[4:43] <Gorroth> i want to build something and sell it, but the guruplug is too expensive and cumbersome... the fan is annoying
[4:43] <Gorroth> and the price is too high
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[5:00] <ebarch> Gorroth: the official debian image is raspbian as of today. it has all of the optimizations/updates
[5:01] <Gorroth> oh, cool; so debian pulled all of raspbian into upstream and integrated it?
[5:01] <Gorroth> in their unstable branch i guess?
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[5:02] <ebarch> Umm...I don't think so...it's just that the rpi team made that the new official distro for rpi
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[5:03] <Gorroth> oh, you mean that raspbian pulled down all of debian then, i think
[5:03] <cadorett> Whats the general take on raspbmc? I'm using it now but it no longer seems recommended
[5:03] <Gorroth> i read that
[5:03] <Gorroth> i won't have mine for a few months anyway
[5:03] <mlepage> I could not get raspbmc to fully boot
[5:04] <mlepage> Is anyone using a bluetooth dongle for bluetooth keyboard? I got an ASUS one, haven't tried it yet, curious about drivers.
[5:04] <cadorett> Mine is running with minimal issue. There are three issues whose source's elude me though.
[5:04] <ebarch> cadorett: I'm pretty happy with it...the developer is releasing RC4 in the next day or two. openelec is supposed to be pretty good as well. if you just want a media center I'd probably go openelec, but the idea behind raspbmc is that it's kept open to install software and run stuff alongside xbmc
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[5:05] <cadorett> ebarch: Do you ever find your tv goes to low power mode when not in the XBMC interface?
[5:05] <cadorett> If I drop to a terminal or the video calibration screen for instance, my tv goes to low power mode
[5:05] <cadorett> I have to open the TV menu to keep content being displayed
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[5:07] <mlepage> What would be the recommended IRC client to run on the Pi itself?
[5:07] <ebarch> Hmm, haven't seen that happen but I typically just stay in xbmc
[5:07] <ebarch> mlepage: irssi from the command line
[5:07] <cadorett> I Second that recommendation
[5:07] <SIFTU> mlepage: weechat/irssi
[5:07] <Gorroth> i say irssi
[5:07] <cadorett> ebarch: Have you ever noticed certain mpeg4 videos decode blocky?
[5:08] <mlepage> OK. I am in irssi in cmd line ubuntu vm on mac right now. I'm fine with irssi, I just don't know how to scroll backwards. :-)
[5:08] <cadorett> page up / page down
[5:08] <Gorroth> pg up/down
[5:08] <mlepage> Ah you mean those buttons my MacBook Air doesn't have?
[5:08] <Gorroth> if you're in terminal, you may need to press shift+fn+up/down
[5:08] <ebarch> cadorett: I play mostly mkvs...don't know how much mpeg4 stuff I have
[5:08] <ebarch> fn+up fn+down i think
[5:09] <mlepage> Hey you are correct.
[5:09] <mlepage> Salvation is mine.
[5:09] <mlepage> Works in other apps too.
[5:09] <cadorett> ebarch: Thanks anyways. Its the weirdest issue. But I've noticed halving the refresh rate of the display halves the blockiness.
[5:10] <cadorett> Still not watchable though
[5:10] <ebarch> cadorett: hopefully RC4 will fix some issues. can you test the latest xbmc on another machine to see if it's xbmc and not just the pi?
[5:10] <cadorett> Oh it is definitely only the pi install
[5:10] <cadorett> I have two other xbmc installs on ubuntu linux systems
[5:11] <mlepage> Am installing irssi on Raspbian pi now. :-)
[5:17] <mlepage> Hm I still find the Pi to be laggy as all hell.
[5:17] <ebarch> mlepage: using the raspbian image?
[5:18] <mlepage> Yeah. But my keyboard also drops keys, I wonder if it is spamming the USB or something.
[5:18] <ebarch> if you don't mind voiding warranties you can overclock to 1ghz
[5:18] <ebarch> I had that issue with a power hungry keyboard
[5:18] <ebarch> switched to a basic logitech and haven't had an issue
[5:18] <ebarch> or a powered hub
[5:18] <mlepage> Can I hot swap keyboard while running?
[5:18] <mlepage> I am on powered hub already :-(
[5:18] <ebarch> usb? sure
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[5:18] <Syliss> sucky
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[5:19] <mlepage> Well trying a new keyboard now...
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[5:21] <Syliss> i need to find a 5 pin plug to shorten the usb on my old wifi card i have
[5:21] <mlepage> Problem is, this keyboard is bigger, I like the small ones.
[5:23] <Syliss> well try it at least to see if it dops
[5:23] <Syliss> drops*
[5:24] <mlepage> This keyboard is having the same issue.
[5:24] <mlepage> Seem worse under load.
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[5:25] <ebarch> very strange...have you tried any of the other distros?
[5:26] <mlepage> I tried squeeze and wheezy(beta)
[5:26] <mlepage> Is this normal?
[5:26] <ebarch> like I said, I only had issues when I didn't have a powered hub and had a keyboard with backlighting
[5:27] <mlepage> This is a plain HP keyboad on a powered hub.
[5:27] <ebarch> yeah, that should work
[5:27] <cadorett> I'm hoping my issues are power related
[5:28] <cadorett> Although I have no way to test that
[5:28] <mlepage> Tomorrow night I will try my bluetooth dongle
[5:28] <ebarch> cadorett: maybe try bypassing the hub?
[5:29] <cadorett> I'm running it off a cell phone charger at the moment
[5:29] <cadorett> It 'says' 1 amp
[5:29] <ebarch> yeah, should be fine...that's what I use
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[5:31] <cadorett> What length usb cable are you using
[5:31] <cadorett> roughly
[5:32] <mlepage> guess it's long on the KB, maybe a metre. Short on the powered jub.
[5:36] <cadorett> I have about a 5 foot cable maybe that is my issue
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[5:40] <cadorett> wow
[5:40] <cadorett> even weirder
[5:41] <cadorett> My decoding issue goes away but the audio goes out of sync if i go the XBMC menu while watching the content
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[5:42] <Arch-MBP> whats the best way to copy the contents of / to a partition i already made?
[5:42] <mlepage> Anyone use bluetooth keyboard? How to load driver?
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[5:52] <unreal-dude> any good examples for setting up audio via cli on the raspbian image?
[5:57] <unreal-dude> i can use sudo aplay foo to play stuff, but cannot get any other players to work with the audio
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[6:04] <mlepage> OK I rebooted and I saw messages concerning bluetooth. How would I pair a bluetooth keyboard to see if it works?
[6:05] <netman87> you use linux on raspberry pi?
[6:06] <netman87> if u do why dont u just take a look of linux tutorials about bluetooth and keyboards
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[6:07] <netman87> http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser
[6:07] <netman87> http://www.pixelchaos.net/2008/09/26/set-up-a-bluetooth-keyboard-in-debian-etch/
[6:07] <netman87> first ones from google
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[6:27] <mlepage> netman87: I am looking at google and tutorials. Just thought I'd ask.
[6:28] <netman87> yeah. it should be like they do it normally. nothing special. its just that some bluetooth things seems to be hard
[6:28] <netman87> atleast they was when i tried mobile connection with bluetooth and mobilephone... 5 years ago
[6:32] <mlepage> Alright, it is finally working, absolutely wonderful.
[6:34] <mlepage> I swear these Apple keyboards have spoiled me now.
[6:35] <netman87> :D
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[6:35] <netman87> im just using wireless logitech office keyboard
[6:35] <netman87> and mouse
[6:36] <netman87> one usb and it works
[6:36] <mlepage> Pi really lags when compiling. :-(
[6:36] <netman87> RPi really lags all the time
[6:37] <mlepage> I can't even move a windown onscreen. Need dual core.
[6:37] <netman87> they would atleast do Xorg and libva drivers or share datasheets so others can do it
[6:37] <netman87> oh and more ram
[6:38] <mlepage> My playbook is dual core and has 1 GB ram.
[6:38] <netman87> it would be even useful if there was just 128MB more ram for cpu
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[6:39] <valkaiser> You're not really supposed to do anything else during compilation...
[6:40] <netman87> or just do compiling with VM
[6:40] <techsurvivor> it's a lot better to just build a cross compiler anyway, it usually is for small cpus
[6:40] <netman87> or cross-compiler
[6:40] <mlepage> I was compiling in VM, but not cross-compiling.
[6:41] <netman87> cross-compiler should be fastest
[6:41] <techsurvivor> pretty easy to install, just follow the directions on elinux (if you have a linux system, i think they have instructions for ubuntu and others
[6:41] <valkaiser> I've been using an old laptop that specs close to the x86 raspi equivalent for a few years now. You have to alter your usage pastterns a bit.
[6:41] <mlepage> I have ubuntu VMs.
[6:41] <techsurvivor> you are a couple apt-gets from a cross compiler :)
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[6:42] <mlepage> I have a PIII 400 MHz that is Pi-ish I believe. :-)
[6:42] <netman87> i have girlfriend
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[6:42] <valkaiser> I'm sorry.
[6:42] <netman87> go hug your ubuntu VM now muahahhahhah
[6:43] <techsurvivor> http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation VM's are more dependable than girlfriends
[6:43] <mlepage> I will set up cross-compiler sometime soon, won't be tonight
[6:43] <netman87> but but. i think that VM (arm & copy of system) would be best
[6:44] <netman87> same versions and so on but still on way faster cpu
[6:44] <valkaiser> mlepage: Yep. Mine is 466 P2.
[6:44] <techsurvivor> i use an ubuntu image on virtualbox to do the cross compile, on my windows system :)
[6:44] <mlepage> Does VirtualBox do ARM?
[6:44] <netman87> i dont even have computers below 1.6GHz dualcore
[6:45] <netman87> mlepage: qemu
[6:45] <mlepage> Oh no my main computer is MacBook Air.
[6:45] <mlepage> I just got old ones kicking about.
[6:46] <netman87> yeah i did just give away some laptops
[6:46] <valkaiser> My main is 1GHz p3 lappy...
[6:46] <netman87> one of them was 2GHz dualcore c2d, 4GB ram, radeon something
[6:47] <valkaiser> I hate you :P
[6:47] <netman87> other was 2.2GHz singlecore, 1GB ram
[6:47] <mlepage> At work I use a quad core MacBook Pro. :-)
[6:47] <mlepage> Compiling is fast.
[6:48] <valkaiser> At least my screen is 1600x1200. Video card is too feeble for much though.
[6:48] <mlepage> My RPi is hooked up to 1920x1200 LCD. :-)
[6:48] <netman87> now i have just 3 computers. thinkpad x61 tablet (1.6GHz dualcore,2GB), gaming laptop (quadcore, crossfireX or something (2 GPU's)) and desktop (3.3GHz dualcore, 4GB)
[6:49] <mlepage> I just have the home laptop, work laptop, and various phones and tablets.
[6:49] <mlepage> Plus the Pi. Kids have old laptops.
[6:49] <valkaiser> mlepage: Fat tube composite display for mine.
[6:49] <netman87> valkaiser: oh i dont have monitors :( just these laptops and video projector for desktop
[6:50] <techsurvivor> just use xwindows or ssh terminal here :)
[6:50] <netman87> videoprojector is just 720p (1280x720)
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[6:50] <netman87> sanyo z3
[6:50] <netman87> shame that i did sell my old workstation
[6:50] <valkaiser> netman87: The 1600x1200 was the lappy's screen, not a monitor.
[6:51] <mlepage> My old work thinkpad had 1920x1200 laptop screen, it was nice.
[6:51] <netman87> it had 2 intel xeon 5310 quadcore cpu's overclocked with tapemod to 2GHz
[6:51] <netman87> also had 20GB of ram but one motherboard did have some problems and burn almost all of them
[6:51] <valkaiser> mlepage: Yes, makes for a lot of terminal space.
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[6:51] <netman87> mlepage: thinkpad t61p maybe?
[6:52] <mlepage> I started with t61p, then w500.
[6:52] <netman87> it was about only laptop back some months ago that had better PPI than mine's current
[6:52] <netman87> T61p
[6:52] <mlepage> Then ran Ubuntu on it for a year, then finally a few months ago got the MacBook Pro.
[6:53] <haroldp> Where are the seeders for that new rasbian image? :)
[6:53] <netman87> my thinkpad x61 tablet have 1400x1050 AFFS-IPS (144PPI)
[6:53] <mlepage> W500 is like a newer T61p. They're up to at least W510 now.
[6:53] <netman87> mlepage: but there is no good displays for newer thinkpads
[6:54] <mlepage> Eventually they'll have to compete with the new Retina displays, so there will be.
[6:54] <netman87> but as apple did start selling laptops with good displays i think others follow and we can again buy some nice laptops
[6:54] <netman87> oh u were faster
[6:55] <netman87> valkaiser: btw why dont you just buy better laptop? something like thinkpad T61 or T61p? they are pretty cheap already
[6:55] <mlepage> If there's two things we've learned over time, it's that companies won't push specs and will sit on their laurels, and also that the companies that do make great stuff will sell a bunch. You'd think they'd get the point by now, but now. Dell still makes mostly inferior stuff.
[6:55] <mlepage> I always had Dells before the MacBook Air.
[6:55] <mlepage> They were OK but not great.
[6:57] <valkaiser> netman87: I don't buy computers. I salvage them. They pretty much can do all I ask.
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[6:58] <valkaiser> I do want a fast desktop someday though...
[6:59] <valkaiser> ...but stuff like that costs the moneys. I need my moneys.
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[7:04] <Pickley> No one has matched retina displays on anything...
[7:04] <Pickley> :P
[7:05] * heathkid prefers the HP notebooks
[7:06] * heathkid buys the Compaq versions when on sale for his kids... :)
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[7:10] <netman87> heathkid: HP had nice business models but new ones seems to be bad
[7:10] <netman87> all hp personal models have been poop
[7:11] <netman87> HP also does good servers
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[7:12] <phire> HP went bad when they bought compaq
[7:12] <netman87> valkaiser: do you know which laptop i would want to have next?
[7:12] <valkaiser> netman87: No. Which one?
[7:13] <netman87> valkaiser: http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/fully-rugged-laptop-toughbook-31.asp
[7:13] <netman87> that would be so cool :) i wanna be able to use IRC more... now i cant use it when im taking shower
[7:14] <netman87> and ofc thats good laptop for me... i have broke 4 laptops coz of having sex
[7:14] <Civil> netman87: isn't it a bit heavy?
[7:14] <heathkid> netman87: you're doing something wrong then
[7:15] <heathkid> and that's way off topic
[7:15] <netman87> laptop on bed + me + girl... so someone have been needed to remove from bed... :D
[7:15] <netman87> Civil: well yeah isnt light as many others
[7:15] <Mr_Sheesh> You may want to set laptop out of the way before pouncing
[7:15] <Civil> netman87: either laptop or girl is an exces
[7:15] <heathkid> one or the other... not both
[7:16] <netman87> Civil: usually i have just wiped laptop to floor from bed... 2 times harddrive broke up coz of that
[7:16] <valkaiser> netman87: It reads as pretty snazzy that.
[7:16] <Mr_Sheesh> There "
[7:16] <Mr_Sheesh> grrrr There "may" be a better way than that netman87
[7:19] <netman87> Mr_Sheesh: i know. i buy my laptops used or when broken and fix them and sell them
[7:19] <netman87> so no big deal
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[7:19] <Mr_Sheesh> Sorta the same here, but lately haven't sold any, moved & have too many systems lost in the move :/
[7:19] <valkaiser> netman87: Sounds like what you really want is a monitor in your shower wall for irc. Or maybe a good sized character LCD with some buttons for scrolling.
[7:20] <netman87> valkaiser: nah, fully ruggered laptop would really be useful for me
[7:20] <mlepage> SSD
[7:21] <netman87> mlepage: yeah. just havent got any of those
[7:21] <valkaiser> netman87: Maybe you should rugger a Pi? That would be pretty cool.
[7:21] <mlepage> Get them on sale, they really make a performance diff.
[7:21] <netman87> im thinking of upgrading my current hdd to ssd
[7:21] <netman87> for this thinkpad
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[7:25] <Mr_Sheesh> Could you use a remote lcd touchscreen display with your regular PC to run a PC in another room perhaps? A thought. Just be SURE you use isolated power, cooking yourself in the shower is very passe'
[7:26] <cmug> I hope I get my rPi today
[7:26] <heathkid> at least they seem to be catching up and shipping out a LOT faster!
[7:26] <cmug> Mine has been shipped on the 9th already, so it's overdue!
[7:27] <heathkid> at least it's shipped
[7:27] <cmug> Yeah
[7:28] <valkaiser> Mr_Sheesh: Yeah, running it off the mains would be kinda dicey... Possibly against code too.
[7:29] <valkaiser> cmug: Shipper couldn't find my house, gave up, and went home.
[7:30] <valkaiser> cmug: Had to talk 'em through it the next day.
[7:30] <netman87> Mr_Sheesh: valkaiser ... it would be good on other stuff too... its not so important to be able to use IRC at shower
[7:30] <Mr_Sheesh> I call doing things like that "astonishing" as in the engineering principle "Always act towards less astonishment" - It'd be quite astonishing for an accident investigation to find that you cooked yourself off 120VAC in the shower! Isolated "wall wart" plugged into a GFCI socket should be OK tho
[7:30] <netman87> but yeah i really want one fully ruggered toughbook
[7:30] <Mr_Sheesh> Could set it to display only @ shower, also
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[7:32] <cmug> valkaiser: don't tell me these horror stories :-)
[7:32] <netman87> how about videoprojector (back projecting) and waterproof wireless keyboard
[7:32] <valkaiser> netman87: Rats! We were hoping to fulfill a pressing need :P
[7:33] <netman87> if i just use some mirrors and white shower curtain?
[7:34] <valkaiser> Just project it onto the white shower cutain from outside! Great idea!
[7:35] <valkaiser> cmug: :P
[7:37] <valkaiser> Mr_Sheesh: I guess you're right. A few hundred mA at 12V wouldn't kill ya.
[7:38] <Mr_Sheesh> It'd annoy and alarm ya certainly ofc
[7:40] <valkaiser> Maybe have it zap you whenever your username shows up? Never miss a chat then.
[7:41] <valkaiser> Would need some electrodes in the floor. Hmmm...
[7:43] <valkaiser> Wait, getting off track here. I like the projector idea, but it seems a bit expensive. I could go for a small LCD behind a single acryllic tile. That would be cool.
[7:46] <haroldp> how can I get chrome installed in rasbian?
[7:47] <Arch-MBP> haroldp: its WIP
[7:47] <haroldp> ah
[7:47] <haroldp> bummer, had that working on the old debian image
[7:48] <Arch-MBP> JIT is borked
[7:48] <haroldp> even though it was an old damn version
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[7:49] <haroldp> I would *love* webgl support but that looks unlikely
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[7:51] <netman87> valkaiser: i have videoprojector already
[7:51] <valkaiser> Accelerated X driver would certainly be nice. I'm not even going to install X until that happens. Don't want to get depressed.
[7:52] <valkaiser> netman87: True, but do you want that kind of wear on your bulb just for a shower display?
[7:53] <netman87> yeah X drivers and libva support and more ram and raspberry pi can be used for something other than looking porn
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[7:53] <netman87> valkaiser: i didnt pay anything for that videoprojector
[7:54] <netman87> so who cares when bulb goes
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[7:55] <valkaiser> netman87: Perfect then. Make sure to take lots of pictures when you finish, and report back on the experience.
[7:56] <netman87> well i have window over shower room door
[7:57] <netman87> so i should attach projector there and then use mirror to route picture to shower curtains
[7:58] <valkaiser> netman87: Sounds good to me. Would avoid moisture problems that way.
[7:59] <valkaiser> netman87: You'll probably want to rig up a way to strech the curtains flat as well.
[8:00] <netman87> valkaiser: yeah thats not too easy... but i dont need best of the best
[8:01] <netman87> hmm this was pretty offtopic... so lets make it fit channel... lets use raspberry pi for irc client and controlling projector
[8:03] <valkaiser> Err, yes and make a motorized reel for curtain stretching, controlled by RasPi's GPIO.
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[8:06] <valkaiser> One of those 3d fish screensavers would be awesome.
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[8:07] <valkaiser> Maybe you could superimpose the IRC on that.
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[8:08] <cmug> Yay I got my Pi!
[8:09] <cmug> And the t-shirt
[8:09] <valkaiser> :D
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[8:10] <cmug> Cool, it's small
[8:10] <Arch-MBP> yeah its smaller than the pictures
[8:12] <valkaiser> What are your initial case plans? Legos? Box-it-came-in? Wild an free?
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[8:13] <deaidko> hello all! i have a problem with DHCP on raspbian
[8:15] <cmug> valkaiser: I printed the Punnet case
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[8:17] <cmug> he couldn't handle the reply :-)
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[8:29] <blueskies> currently playing on a raspberry pi bzflag server :P
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[8:45] <steve_rox> hmm my lanchip reads 61'c
[8:45] <steve_rox> i think it blows at 70
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[9:02] <gordonDrogon> morning
[9:03] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian being tweeted/pushed by the foundation now...
[9:04] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: have you tried raspbian? I haven't
[9:05] <cmug> I'm writing it now to an SD
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> yehnan, I've been running Raspbian for what seems like some months now...
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> Actually, yes - early May, so it's now 2 months!
[9:06] <yehnan> gordonDrogon: I see. :)
[9:07] <tzarc> mmm, I'd be about the same
[9:07] <gordonDrogon> If you'r running wheezy then I see no reason whatsoever to not move to Raspbian.
[9:08] <tzarc> mmm, apparently I've got an old 22MB raspbian rootfs sitting on my webserver still
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> I've just been updating it daily ...
[9:08] <tzarc> I might nuke all that stuff, never got a chance to look at it and it's way out of date
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> breakfast time!
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[9:17] <friggle> gordonDrogon: and if you're running squeeze....your mind will be blown
[9:18] <gordonDrogon> friggle, been running raspbian for months...
[9:19] <tzarc> I believe that was a response to your wheezy comment...
[9:20] <MrCurious_> installing the new raspian now. anyone know if all the debian packages have been built for it?
[9:20] <tzarc> pretty close to parity afaik
[9:20] <Arch1mede> i can attest to the mind blowing
[9:21] <Arch1mede> MrCurious_: chrome isnt
[9:21] <MrCurious_> gcc?
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[9:21] <tzarc> gcc version 4.7.1 (Debian 4.7.1-2+rpi1)
[9:22] <MrCurious_> why do i have to discover a hardware float enabled debian replacement 20 minutes after bedtime
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[9:23] <Arch1mede> MrCurious_: lol
[9:23] <tzarc> it'll still be there in the morning :P
[9:23] <cmug> raspbian booted fine for the first time, ran the raspi-config, started X. Then ran 'reboot' and since that command there was no output on the HDMI even if I reset the power
[9:24] <cmug> i guess I blew a polyfuse or something already
[9:25] <tzarc> mmm, mine's headless, no gui for me
[9:25] * tzarc will be of no help
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[9:25] <cmug> tzarc: is the OK led supposed to blink or is it static?
[9:25] <tzarc> which one?
[9:25] <tzarc> oh
[9:25] <tzarc> OK led
[9:25] <tzarc> I should read
[9:25] <cmug> :)
[9:25] <tzarc> mine's off
[9:26] <tzarc> other than that, no idea ;)
[9:26] <cmug> off while powered on?
[9:26] <tzarc> that's what mine's doing
[9:26] <cmug> ok
[9:26] <slartsa> great. three days since i used my RasPi and I've already forgotten the password :D
[9:26] <Rasperin> Is it at all possible to hook up a sata drive to the raspi?
[9:26] <yehnan> cmug: PWR Led is for power
[9:26] <slartsa> (and no, it's not the original one)
[9:27] <Rasperin> Like say through the GPIO
[9:27] <cmug> yehnan: yeah that one is static for me
[9:27] <cmug> and ok was blinking, but no output on HDMI at all
[9:27] <tzarc> get a SATA->USB adapter
[9:27] <yehnan> cmug: I believe OK Led is for SD card accessing, am I right?
[9:28] <cmug> They were explained in a MagPi issue (second one I believe), I'll check
[9:29] <cmug> Status OK (D5 Green) [BCM GPIO16]
[9:29] <cmug> Power On (D6 Red) [3.3V Supply]
[9:29] <cmug> well that explains it.. duh
[9:29] <Rasperin> tzarc: that I have done, but I was kinda hoping I could natively
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[9:29] <cmug> perhaps raspbian just screwed up the partition expansion process
[9:30] <cmug> I will rewrite my sd
[9:30] <yehnan> cmug: Do you know what does "BCM GPIO16" mean?
[9:31] <cmug> yehnan: well BCM is the SoC, and GPIO16 is one of the GPIO pins. beyond that no clue
[9:31] <cmug> at least I think BCM is the chip?
[9:31] <yehnan> cmug: before you rewritting sd, i suggest: power off rpi, disconnect HDMI cable, turn off LCD, then reconnect everything and power on
[9:31] <cmug> yehnan: that was my first corrective action :-)
[9:32] <yehnan> cmug: I think BCM is short for Broadcomm?
[9:32] <cmug> I would imagine there is some display output even if the root partition is screwed up
[9:33] <cmug> yehnan: "Broadcom BCM2835 chip" yep thats it
[9:33] <cmug> Do you have any idea what the chip GPIO 16 does?
[9:33] <reider59> GOIO 16 is unlited on my card I printed out. Got GPIO15,17 an 18 but no 16. There are some marked with no number pin though
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[9:33] <reider59> oops GPIO
[9:33] <cmug> reider59: it must be a reserved one yeah
[9:34] <cmug> but is it only used to blink the OK led or does it have another purpose?
[9:34] <reider59> looks like the white marked one next to GPIO 15 then at a guess
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[9:34] <yehnan> cmug: I think GPIO 16 is reserved. And I believe OK Led is for SD card accessing.
[9:35] <cmug> yehnan: ok, I will retry my connection
[9:35] <reider59> As far as I1m aware you can set an LED up yourself on any number of pins
[9:35] <reider59> Gordon knows more about them
[9:35] <Gadget-Work> gordonDrogon, does Rasbian have i2c / spi support ?
[9:35] <cmug> reider59: we are trying to understand what does it mean when the OK led is blinking
[9:36] <reider59> There are some GPIO pins which have to remain unused, just remembered
[9:36] <cmug> best guess at the moment is that it indicates SD Card access
[9:36] <cmug> Yes the reserved ones, such as 16
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[9:37] <yehnan> cmug: have you checked this out? http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[9:37] <reider59> About all you can do is start a process and watch what happens, but repeat it a number of times and see if it`ds likely to be linked to SD Card access
[9:37] <yehnan> cmug: not sure if it helps
[9:37] <reider59> like cp from one location to another
[9:38] <cmug> reider59: difficult when the only output I get is a blinking OK led :-)
[9:38] <cmug> yehnan: will run through those steps, thanks
[9:38] <cmug> My guess is that the problem is the SD card, and the expanded root partition.
[9:39] <friggle> cmug: is it blinking a constant pattern?
[9:39] <reider59> Solid red is usually the SD Card and/or contents faulty, that`s the only one I know since the Pi is out of sight for me.
[9:39] <cmug> friggle: yes, it blinks about 7 times, then pauses, then blinks same 7 times again (might be 8 too)
[9:40] <cmug> reider59: solid red is pwr
[9:40] <yehnan> cmug: wow, a pattern. getting interesting...
[9:40] <reider59> That reminds me of a fault indicator
[9:40] <cmug> yehnan: yeah its either trying to read the mbr and fails, or it indicates something different
[9:40] <yehnan> cmug: 6 flashes: start.elf not launched
[9:41] <cmug> yehnan: there we go
[9:41] <yehnan> cmug: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern
[9:41] <reider59> solid red for me has always been fixed by wiping the SD Card and trying again. Never had a power problem at all and I have a few things connected at the same time
[9:41] <friggle> cmug: there is a small but steady stream of reports of FAT32 corruption when writing to the boot partition. We haven't tracked it down yet and haven't been able to reproduce it :/
[9:41] <cmug> I'll just rewrite the SD then
[9:41] <cmug> friggle: mine corrupted with a soft reboot
[9:41] <friggle> cmug: probably worth mounting the SD card on your computer and checking the sha1sum of *.elf and kernel.img
[9:42] <cmug> friggle: ok
[9:42] <cmug> hmm, now windows says that the SD partition is corrupted too
[9:42] <cmug> 2min ago it was mounting fine
[9:43] <cmug> rewriting the sd.. ->
[9:43] <reider59> I have WiFi bullet connector direct to RPi, unpowered usb hub to RPi, 2 BRT adaptors in hub. LCD 20x4 connected to GPIO pins and a Linux pic frame connected to one of the BT adaptors, with a mini kb and mouse on the other. no power problems at all.
[9:44] <reider59> Initially I didn`t Sudo Halt with the SD Card and that`s when I got solid red, I don`t get it now since I started shutting down properly.
[9:44] <Gadgetoid> shut down? what's that? :D
[9:45] <reider59> lol
[9:45] <cmug> Should there be any HDMI output if you power on without the SD card (or any other peripherals)?
[9:45] <reider59> no
[9:45] <reider59> You need the SD Card in
[9:45] <cmug> ok so it requires the boot firmware
[9:45] <cmug> oh yes ofcourse because of the GPU fw
[9:46] <reider59> I find Wheezy much more resilient, stable and fast than anything else too
[9:46] <cmug> friggle: do you have the sha1 or md5 sums of those files somewhere that I could compare?
[9:47] <reider59> woo hoo! Going out for dinner today
[9:47] <reider59> Local Farmers Arms has new landlord and chef, supposed to be good. at least 10-12 of us are converging on it to put it through its paces
[9:48] <reider59> Last Landlord was an ignorant conceited grumpy old wotsit
[9:48] <friggle> cmug: think this is the right image http://pastebin.com/GC521pGA
[9:49] <cmug> yeah I run the latest wheezy
[9:51] <cmug> heh, my sha1 utility crashes when I try to read the start.elf file
[9:52] <cmug> rewriting finally
[9:53] <cmug> friggle: http://pastebin.com/Ezk8nq3x everything else than the start.elf seem to match
[9:53] <cmug> missed kernel.img apparently, d'oh
[9:54] <friggle> cmug: are you able to cp arm192_start.elf start.elf ?
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[9:54] <friggle> cmug: what SD card are you using?
[9:54] <booyaa> lololo
[9:54] <tzarc> http://pastebin.com/thXQL3uL
[9:55] <tzarc> those are my sha1's
[9:55] <tzarc> latest from git tho
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[9:55] <yehnan> cmug: I still don't know the cause. Did you mess up the boot partition?
[9:59] <tzarc> man, why didn't I start using vim years ago >_<
[9:59] <cmug> yehnan: all I did was run the raspi-config during the initial boot, then restarted the system
[10:00] <cmug> yes, probably messed up the boot partition/root partition somehow
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[10:01] <cmug> yep, it boots again
[10:01] <cmug> this time I will do one modification at a time with raspi-config, reboot and make sure it still works
[10:02] <reider59> << Downloading Raspbian to give it another try, not used it for a few weeks
[10:03] <reider59> I did the resize and password change only, let it reboot, then rebooted once again, no problems and I used it since the beta was released of Wheezy that is.
[10:03] <booyaa> reider59: is this the new offical image?
[10:04] <reider59> yes it is from th eofficial downloads page
[10:04] * booyaa 's is downloading as we speak
[10:04] <cmug> root expansion done, rebooted fine
[10:04] <booyaa> won't be able to do anything go
[10:04] <reider59> I wish they`d put the Wheezy beta in there too
[10:05] <reider59> just to give it the importance it deserves
[10:05] <friggle> reider59: well we figured pretty much everyone is going to be better off using raspbian
[10:05] <friggle> reider59: I put the image together using the same scripts and config as the wheezy beta, so it's basically identical but faster
[10:05] <reider59> that`s true and its based on wheezy
[10:06] <reider59> oh no, hope Mr.Engman makes a change in his script and driver for Raspbian and the Edimax 7811Un WiFi adaptor, should do
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[10:09] <reider59> My Wheezy image needs wiping so I think I`ll use my 16gb SD for it. I have 99.9% of my LCD programs backed up on the PC for it
[10:09] <reider59> just one I didn`t back up that isn`t working yet
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[10:14] <cmug> ok its rebooting fine every time now
[10:15] <reider59> that`s good, well done
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[10:15] <cmug> The only option I did not touch was the overscan thing this time
[10:15] <yehnan> cmug: congratulations.
[10:16] <yehnan> cmug: overscan? Do you wanna try it again? ^O^
[10:16] <cmug> I think I do because I am stuck with black borders now
[10:16] <reider59> That shouldn`t cause a problem
[10:17] <cmug> I assume the overscan option will change the config.txt file, perhaps last time that write operation corrupted the boot partition somehow
[10:17] <cmug> I had my wifi dongle attached last time too, so perhaps it drew too much power at the same time and sd write failed
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[10:19] <reider59> I always take my WiFi adaptor out, install then add it
[10:19] <reider59> But then I use a script
[10:20] <booyaa> i think i'm going to see if i can start multi booting remotely. if i can see the sd's cmdline.txt there's no reason why i can't edit it to point to a new image and reboot.
[10:20] <reider59> If the drivers are not built in to the image then really you need to add the drivers and then add the WifI adaptor
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[10:21] <booyaa> i would be doing whilst on the rpi, cmdline.txt's already been parsed.
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, It's a Kernel thing - I don't know right now if the standard kernel with Raspbian has those drives in, but I have a working kernel with them in...
[10:22] <Gadget-Work> I'm using bootc's build at the moment which obviously does have i2c /spi support :)
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[10:26] <reider59> Transferring the Raspbian Image to my 16GB SD Card now
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[10:33] <Derben> good day fine sirs
[10:35] <reider59> hi
[10:35] <Derben> what memory test would you recommend to test on faulty memory?
[10:36] <cmug> there we go, IRC through the RasPi
[10:37] <cmug> Derben: memtest86+?
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[10:38] <Derben> root
[10:38] <frankivo> ******
[10:38] <booyaa> Derben: what makes you suspect you've got dodgy memory? presumably this is on your pi?
[10:38] <Derben> wrong keyboard, nice
[10:38] <Derben> yes
[10:38] <Derben> i keep getting sd corruption
[10:38] <cmug> Memtest86 probably won't help you then :-)
[10:39] <Derben> just want to rule that out
[10:40] <booyaa> Derben: have you already checked power? also how do you shutdown your pi (if at all)?
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[10:41] <Derben> 3 different power sources, all over 1000ma ok
[10:41] <buZz> Derben: tried different SD cards?
[10:41] <reider59> Do you use sudo halt or similar when you shutdown or do you just switch off
[10:41] <Derben> 2 bags of different sd cards and different releases of official debian squeezy, rspbian and openelec
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[10:42] <buZz> hmm ok
[10:42] <Derben> this occurs independant from clean shutdown
[10:42] <buZz> _bags_ ?
[10:42] <buZz> :O
[10:42] <cmug> gee X is slow :-)
[10:42] <Derben> when i fsck the card or check it with gparted its completely messed up
[10:42] <booyaa> youd think there'd be a memtest for arm stuff too
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[10:42] <cmug> Derben: when does that usually happen?
[10:43] <reider59> If you don`t stop all processes by sudo halt or similar and just shutdown then that will cause corruption of the SD Card
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[10:43] <buZz> well, corruption of the filesystem ;)
[10:43] <Derben> a handful of reboots from writing a new image to the sd and starting it for the first time
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[10:44] <cmug> Derben: what USB peripherals? wireless stuff?
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[10:45] <Derben> reider59: yep. i took ~5 different openelec releases and just rebooted them with the official menus to rule that (and by that i mean myself) out already
[10:45] <Derben> usb -> logitech unifying
[10:45] <cmug> memtester - Utility for testing the memory subsystem
[10:45] <cmug> on raspbian
[10:46] <cmug> ofcourse if its not stable enough to get it installed + running then..
[10:47] <cmug> so what has changed between python2 and python3, print "Hello world!" does not work in python3 anymore
[10:47] <Derben> i used openelec yesterday to test config settings and it ran fine for 6 hours, but crashed with corruption during addon installation/update
[10:47] <nid0> does the new raspbian image have sshd running by default?
[10:48] <Naphatul> print is a function not a keyword in python3
[10:48] <cmug> Derben: so it corrupts during write operations, I would suspect a power issue
[10:48] <cmug> nid0: I think yes
[10:48] <buZz> cmug: awesome
[10:48] <buZz> need to update my debian on rpi then ;)
[10:48] <booyaa> nid0: probably, can't you check if boot.rc or cmdline.txt mention it?
[10:48] <cmug> Naphatul: so it seems, geez
[10:49] <buZz> check my awesome raspi case; http://gallery.nurdspace.nl/picture.php?/105/category/5
[10:49] <nid0> booyaa, I will once i've downloaded it, just curious as to whether anyone knew off the top of their head
[10:49] <Derben> cmug: ofc on write, i think read errors occur at the same rate, but arent that destructive ofc
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[10:49] <booyaa> buZz: nurdspace == hackspace?
[10:49] <cmug> Derben: yeah I meant that on excessive write, which uses more power I presume
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[10:50] <buZz> booyaa: yes
[10:50] <booyaa> damn will need to view it on iphone
[10:50] <buZz> booyaa: see http://nurdspace.nl./
[10:50] <buZz> eh, without . at the end
[10:50] <cmug> nid0: at least the initial setup said it was enabled already when I wanted to configure it
[10:50] <booyaa> buZz: rock on man! i'm a london hackspacer
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[10:50] <buZz> :)
[10:50] <buZz> sweet
[10:50] <buZz> i bet your space is busier ;)
[10:50] <nid0> jealous, no hackerspace in norwich and no 3d printer of my own :(
[10:50] <buZz> nid0: just make it happen ;)
[10:51] <booyaa> nid0: dude have hope there's a teacher who's eager
[10:51] <buZz> i can tell you, its amazingly easy to start a hackerspace
[10:51] <Gadgetoid> nid0: we'll make it happen
[10:51] <booyaa> one probbably i think his missus is expecting
[10:51] <Gadgetoid> buZz: my main concern is insurance, everything else is just a matter of interest*money
[10:51] <buZz> ah well
[10:51] <buZz> we have 0 insurance
[10:51] <booyaa> nid0: i think there's a lot of people intersted. start with the meetings and get ideas. surrey's hackspace have just started the process
[10:51] <Gadgetoid> buZz: is that even legal?
[10:51] <buZz> beside the mandatory self-insurance of members
[10:52] <buZz> sure
[10:52] <cmug> where is the boot.rc supposedly located in? I could check for nid0
[10:52] <buZz> cmug: i bet /etc somewhere
[10:52] <booyaa> nid0: the london hackspacers are very helpful how to sort out the financial aspect
[10:52] <cmug> root@raspberrypi:/etc# find . -name 'boot.rc'
[10:52] <cmug> negative on that
[10:52] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: ohrly?
[10:52] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: well advice ;)
[10:52] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: I'm trying to secure a venue and support from local initiatives
[10:53] <Gadgetoid> Our new office has a very promising basement area with a dedicated entrance
[10:53] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: mind you they're only using the patterns created by another european hackspace group
[10:53] <nid0> I would imagine think lack of insurance is likely to be perfectly fine until someone litigious gets hurt :P
[10:53] <buZz> we are also just following the patterns
[10:53] <Gadgetoid> nid0: aye, when you've got 3d printers and laser cutters, and possible lathes/cnc machines in the mix??? it's a serious thing
[10:53] <buZz> its automagic
[10:54] <Gadgetoid> metalworking hurts if you do it wrong :D
[10:54] <buZz> heh
[10:54] <buZz> we are looking into old printing press techniques
[10:54] <buZz> to print tshirts ;)
[10:54] <Gadgetoid> hacking your own machines together is half the fun!
[10:54] <Gadgetoid> nid0: where were you based in Naarwich, by the way?
[10:54] <buZz> found some old litho-press
[10:55] <booyaa> nid0: make it so http://hackspace.org.uk/view/Starting_a_Hackerspace
[10:55] <buZz> but i heard it will cost me my back to run it
[10:55] <nid0> Gadgetoid: I live in costessey
[10:55] <Gadgetoid> nid0: Ahh!
[10:55] <Gadgetoid> nid0: It seems we should get step 1 sorted ASAP
[10:55] <Jck_true> Urggh - no updates on the USB bus kernel panic :(
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[10:58] <booyaa> well isn't it typical
[10:59] <booyaa> if the norwich hackspace gets legs i'll be torn between which hackspace to go to
[10:59] <booyaa> (lives in colchester)
[10:59] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: Haha, you can enjoy the best of both!
[10:59] <booyaa> indeed :D
[10:59] <Peanut> From where I live, all hackerspaces are at least 45 minutes drive away.
[10:59] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/hacknorwich
[11:00] <booyaa> excellent
[11:04] <steve_rox> whats the highest temp reading youve managed to get on the pi chips?
[11:04] <buZz> my hackerspace is a 3 minute walk from my house ;)
[11:04] <buZz> faster if i go on bike
[11:04] <cmug> steve_rox: it was mentioned on the wikipage that <70 is perfectly fine for the LAN, and 52c is to be expected
[11:05] <steve_rox> hmm
[11:05] <steve_rox> im conserned
[11:05] <steve_rox> got it to 61'c tonight and my finger feels like it has a blister
[11:05] <cmug> and that 62C was achieved by some italian study
[11:05] <cmug> should be fine
[11:06] <Peanut> buzz: oh nice, envying you.
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[11:06] <cmug> steve_rox: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Network.2FUSB_chip_gets_too_hot_to_touch
[11:06] <cmug> Spanish, not Italian
[11:07] <steve_rox> thanks
[11:12] <buZz> Peanut: it could happen for you!
[11:12] <buZz> Peanut: never stop believing :D
[11:20] <johntramp> can I telnet to rpi over usb?
[11:21] <johntramp> running archlinux arm
[11:22] <reider59> You`d need a USB Network set up. I`ve one from my Pi to a Linux Picture Frame. google is your friend......
[11:22] <johntramp> ok so there is nothing set up by default
[11:22] <danfrincu> I've got a RPI model B, I plan to boot it with the latest debian wheezy image, the question is, does it have a default IP address to connect to?
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[11:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> it gets it address from dhcp
[11:24] <danfrincu> so I need to give it DHCP
[11:24] <danfrincu> fair enough
[11:24] <reider59> Watch the screen closely on bootup and you`re likely to see the IP Address it uses. you can change it from DHCP to Static addressing.
[11:25] <danfrincu> I forgot to mention, I don't have a display to connect it to atm
[11:25] <danfrincu> so I won't see the boot messages
[11:25] <Peanut> Or configure your DHCP server so that it always hands the same IP to your PI.
[11:25] <reider59> OK, that is a problem
[11:25] <danfrincu> :)
[11:25] <danfrincu> not really
[11:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> not even a composite video device
[11:25] <danfrincu> as I understand, ssh is enabled by default
[11:26] <danfrincu> so it shouldn't be a problem to connect to it, just the IP part I didn't know how it is handled
[11:26] <reider59> Mine was configured to give out a set address and 90% of the time it did but occasionally for some reason it changed it. Static addressing has never been a problem
[11:26] <Peanut> danfrincu: depends on which image you boot. The standard debiand does not run SSH by default, Wheezy I think had a menu, and raspbian does enable SSH at boot.
[11:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes, if you can check your dhcpserver then your in bussiness
[11:27] <Peanut> Use tcpdump/wireshark/ethereal on your network to see the DHCP request, then you can configure your DHCP server (cablemodem? Linux box?) to always hand it the same IP.
[11:27] <reider59> You could install wheezy or better still Raspbian and get SSH installed at default. Then go in and change the files to Static Addressing, where you decide the IP number.
[11:27] <danfrincu> I didn't know people still use ethereal (j/k)
[11:28] <Chetic> I just tried the wheezy beta and it solved all the problems I had with squeeze
[11:28] <danfrincu> actually, I think the better way is to modify the image, set the ip this way
[11:28] <Peanut> danfrincu: I've only used tcpdump and snoop, was just trying to be helpfull ;-)
[11:28] * danfrincu was joking, not to be taken seriously about the ethereal stuff
[11:28] <Peanut> Chetic: Try Rasbian, even faster, but you need to manually add more packages yourself.
[11:28] <reider59> Raspbian is touted as even better than Wheezy, I just installed it too
[11:28] <nid0> you can switch the pi to set a static ip rather than use dhcp via cmdline.txt
[11:29] <Chetic> Peanut: didn't think that was out yet
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[11:29] <reider59> It`s on the downloads page now and the preferred Distro now
[11:30] <Chetic> omg
[11:30] <deafanon> I've just booted up my Pi with Wheezy, so far, pretty smooth.. was able to enable SSH via boot-up menu & set the locale etc pretty easily
[11:30] <reider59> The SSH is already turned on in Wheezy and Raspbian, no need to use the menu
[11:30] <Peanut> Chetic: it was out on the raspbian.org site already, but it just got 'blessed' by the foundation.
[11:31] <reider59> The first Alpha release we had to turn it on
[11:32] <Peanut> You can install the package that has that neat configuration menu (wheezy) onto your Raspbian install if you want, that makes setting up TZ, locale, keyboard and the like a bit easier.
[11:32] <reider59> The beta initially got a fault so it was swapped to an auto SSH install at boot up
[11:32] <reider59> That menu is in the default download of Raspbian on the downloads page
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[11:34] <teh_orph> yo
[11:34] <reider59> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[11:34] <buZz> yoyoyo
[11:34] <Chetic> is there a way to configure wifi settings (ssid/password) on the sd card so I don't have to drag cables every time?
[11:34] <buZz> Chetic: install wicd
[11:35] <buZz> oh you want to configure before inserting?
[11:35] <Chetic> yeah
[11:35] <Chetic> wanna ssh
[11:35] <Peanut> reider59: oh, nice - mine is too old for that, I guess I'll have to upgrade mine.
[11:35] <buZz> hmm no clue
[11:35] <reider59> I haven`t done mine on RasPi yet but someone else usually puts the script together for my edimax 7811Un WiFi adaptor
[11:35] <buZz> Chetic: install raspbian, install wicd (on raspi over cable), configure, halt, remove cables, enjoy wifi raspi
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[11:37] <[SLB]> speaking of ssh, i just got my rasp but have no usb keyboard nor hdmi cable yet, which distro comes with ssh enabled or how to enable it from the sdcard?
[11:37] <Chetic> thanks buZz but I was hoping to not have to plug in a keyboard or ethernet cable
[11:38] <Peanut> Chetic: serial console perhaps? *grin*
[11:39] <buZz> [SLB]: raspbian has ssh enabled
[11:39] <Chetic> oh yeah, I guess that could be a good compromise
[11:39] <[SLB]> thanks buZz
[11:39] <reider59> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[11:39] <reider59> get Raspbian at the link above
[11:39] <[SLB]> urm no fedora image anymore?
[11:40] <reider59> Fedora never really got off the ground
[11:40] <[SLB]> thanks will try that
[11:40] <danfrincu> reider59: which one is the Raspbian ? wheezy?
[11:40] <[SLB]> ah cos i think f17 for arm os going out soon
[11:40] <[SLB]> the old one was based on f14
[11:40] <reider59> Raspbian is based on Wheezy, which is based on Debian. Both wheezy and Raspbian have SSH auto enabled
[11:41] <reider59> The downloads link is Raspbian wheezy
[11:41] <buZz> reider59: oh they all have it enabled now?
[11:41] <reider59> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[11:41] <buZz> thats clever
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[11:42] <yehnan> reider59: why Fedora Remmix for rpi never really got off the ground?
[11:42] <reider59> I think it was auto enabled because the first Beta release had a fault in the config menu. The alpha for instance you had to add SSH yourself. So it`s stayed auto
[11:42] <nid0> yehnan: lots of problematic bugs
[11:42] <friggle> reider59: actually it's mainly auto enabled because so many people requested it :)
[11:43] <yehnan> reider59: well... i mean...aren't they fixing ?
[11:43] <reider59> Because there were so many faults it had to be taken out. People couldn`t even log in and that was only the start of the problems. It`s thought to have been configured and quickly released without proper wide stream testing
[11:44] <reider59> ok Friggle, thx
[11:44] <yehnan> reider59: Do you have secret source? :)
[11:45] <reider59> I used Fedora and managed to get past the log in problems by repeat entering my log in, eventually getting to the desktop. But then as a former beta tester that comes natural.
[11:45] <yehnan> reider59: I mean...do you know any person in Remix team?
[11:45] <reider59> The forums give all the details, I have 2 screens on my Windows PC and usually have the forums open and IRC on here too
[11:45] <friggle> yehnan: I can speak on the Foundation's behalf. It didn't meet quality standards, so it's not on the downloads page right now
[11:46] <buZz> fedora foundation?
[11:46] <buZz> or raspi foundation
[11:46] <reider59> I think Fedora 17 may be the next attempt, unless they get more problems or move to another version
[11:46] <friggle> Raspberry Pi Foundation
[11:46] <buZz> or beauty foundation by Max Factor
[11:46] <buZz> ah
[11:46] <yehnan> friggle: I see.
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[11:48] <yehnan> firggle: in general I hope there are as many distributions as possible developing for rpi. So ...just wondering where is Fedora Remix ...
[11:49] <friggle> yehnan: I think if you check out the fedora forum on raspberrypi.org you'll find links to their current nightlies
[11:49] <reider59> Just count it as a Work In Progress for now
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[11:52] <MaxLeMilian> Hello there. Someone have time to answer me a few questions about the Raspberry PI? :)
[11:52] <Arch1mede> whats so special about fedora remix?
[11:53] <booyaa> MaxLeMilian: just ask :)
[11:53] <MaxLeMilian> Is it possible to get Android on it?
[11:53] <Arch1mede> MaxLeMilian: not at this time
[11:53] <booyaa> no, but this won't stop people trying
[11:53] <MaxLeMilian> Are there some tries to do it? Or hadn't even be tried?
[11:53] <reider59> For me I just wanted to have a nose around in it. It`s there so I was curious, working or not
[11:54] <danfrincu> does anybody know if there are webcams that can do recording through a raspberry pi on the SD card
[11:54] <danfrincu> ?
[11:54] <reider59> I managed to find a download that hadn`t been taken out and got past the faulty log in
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[11:54] <danfrincu> I mean, most webcams use the cpu and memory of the system for processing ...
[11:55] <MaxLeMilian> reider59: thank you.
[11:55] <Tachyon`> most webcams can be used on the pi
[11:55] <MaxLeMilian> Is it possible to do some hardware tweaks with the RPI? I am an electrical engineering student and want to do some basic stuff on it.
[11:55] <Tachyon`> (again using pandora as a reference)
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[11:56] <reider59> YW, I`m no expert, I just like to look around. I know little about Linux but manage to get it to do what I want
[11:56] <booyaa> danfrincu: http://jeremyblythe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/battery-powered-wireless-motion.html
[11:56] <booyaa> danfrincu: is this what you mean?
[11:56] <Tachyon`> MaxLeMilian, given it's all in the system on a chip, not so much, you do get extra GPIO to play with though
[11:56] <booyaa> or you talking about stuff like opencv?
[11:56] <Tachyon`> as long as you keep on top of the levels you can put any hardware you want on those
[11:56] <danfrincu> booyaa: that's exactly what I'm looking for
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[11:56] <reider59> I`ll set my LCD stuff up again later, now I installed Raspbian, got to get ready to go out for dinner soon
[11:57] <danfrincu> booyaa: thanks
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[11:57] <booyaa> danfrincu: yw
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[11:57] <reider59> I`ll have to reconnect the USB Network to my Linux Pic Frame and get my WiFi adaptor working too
[11:58] <MaxLeMilian> Tachyon`: Thanks. One GPIO is enough for me. :)
[11:58] <reider59> I need to get a BT Network on the Pic Frame but that`s for later
[11:58] <Tachyon`> I think there's a few, not sure how many
[11:59] <MaxLeMilian> There are 26 I think.
[12:01] <MaxLeMilian> How far is the FreeBSD port? Is it fully working?
[12:01] <Peanut> I'm still looking for a lightweight IMAP client for on the Pi. I've got all my mail on IMAP, and am looking for a client that doesn't try pulling in all that onto local storage, but simply speaks IMAP to the server all the time. Sylpheed seems to want to store everything on the SD, alas.
[12:01] <yehnan> MaxLeMilian: what special about Fedora Remix? For me, it was once the recommended distro in rip foundation's blog. And I'm curious what its status is now.
[12:01] <Tachyon`> eep, freebsd
[12:02] <buZz> does anyone know if for that camera board, you really need all the wires in that ribbon cable? @ http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/cameraboard.jpg
[12:02] <Tachyon`> I dunno about that but there's a nice new debian with hardware fpu support
[12:02] <friggle> yehnan: the status is it's not currently on the download page and the recommended distro is raspbian :)
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[12:02] <MaxLeMilian> Arch1mede: what special about Fedora Remix? For me, it was once the recommended distro in rip foundation's blog. And I'm curious what its status is now. (from yehnan)
[12:02] <MaxLeMilian> yehnan: Arch1mede was asking this. :)
[12:03] <cjbaird> You'd think the OpenBSD port would be there-- they have a total hatebonar for 'Linux only' Free Software hardware.. (the Loongson Lemote..)
[12:03] <MaxLeMilian> Tachyon`: Well, NetBSD will run for sure. So no problem there.
[12:04] <Tachyon`> I have netbsd on my sparc
[12:04] <Tachyon`> but don't use it so much
[12:04] <MaxLeMilian> I just want to play with it. ;)
[12:04] <Tachyon`> it's the only thing other than slowaris that supports the hardware on the sparcstation voyager
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[12:04] <cjbaird> Whenever there's a high-profile 'Linux' platform, the 'monkeys' get very motivated.. a motivation that isn't there for low-profile platforms.
[12:04] <Tachyon`> curious machine that, first ever with a TFT screen
[12:04] <yehnan> friggle: actually, I'm hoping you can get news from the Remix dev team(Seneca)...just hoping
[12:04] <Peanut> Tachyon`: wow, I used to run NetBSD on my Sparcs ages ago, even have some code in NetBSD.
[12:04] <yehnan> MaxLeMilian: my bad.
[12:04] <Tachyon`> somewhere between laptop and desktop
[12:04] <Tachyon`> let em find a pic
[12:04] <Arch1mede> MaxLeMilian: ahh
[12:05] <reider59> The status was removed because of the faults, Debian Squeeze then became the default recommended Distro, The alpha of Wheezy became beta and was faster, more stable, better than Squeeze but not release status on the download page, Raspbian, based on Wheezy, is now the recommended release
[12:05] <friggle> yehnan: my understanding is they're hoping to get more done over the summer
[12:05] <MaxLeMilian> yehnan: no problem. ;)
[12:05] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.old/voyager.jpg and http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.old/voyagerobp.jpg
[12:05] <Tachyon`> the error is just due to a dead CMOS battery
[12:05] <cjbaird> NetBSD/rpi is booting multi-user, but hasn't sufficient drivers for a usable system yet.. Graphics is what the primary developer is waiting on before doing a public release.
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[12:06] <cjbaird> I'd like to see NetBSD though.. It's been a PITA past two weeks trying to get a Linux/pkgsrc system going..
[12:06] <booyaa> woah there's a *bsd image?
[12:06] <cjbaird> No.
[12:06] <booyaa> ah
[12:06] <booyaa> :(
[12:06] * booyaa wanted to share it with a friend who's a *bsd nut
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[12:07] <Will|> Hi all, I'm trying to build an image using Spindle, but it seems to be choking because I don't have a /etc/schroot/default directory (schroot installed). This is on a ubuntu 10.04 box - anyone have any relevant experience/ideas?
[12:07] <MaxLeMilian> cjbaird: What do you mean with "PITA"?
[12:07] <booyaa> MaxLeMilian: pain in the ass
[12:07] <MaxLeMilian> booya: Thanks. :3
[12:08] <cjbaird> <- pkgsrc <3 person
[12:08] <Will|> (this is when running setup_spindle_environment)
[12:08] <friggle> Will|: you need schroot installed :)
[12:08] <Will|> friggle: it is.
[12:08] <friggle> Will|: ah sorry, misread
[12:08] <friggle> Will|: (I'm asb, the author of spindle)
[12:08] <Will|> ah, hi :)
[12:09] <Will|> what sorts of stuff should be in /etc/default? I tried creating an empty dir, but that didn't work not too surprisngly
[12:09] <Will|> no fstab et al
[12:10] <friggle> Will|: hmm. I'm not sure if that schroot version supports the stuff I want it to...
[12:10] <Will|> ah, okay
[12:10] <friggle> Will|: it has $ ls /etc/schroot/default/
[12:10] <friggle> config copyfiles fstab nssdatabases
[12:10] <Will|> what os have you tested it with? I'll do it in a VM
[12:11] <friggle> Will|: if you're going to set up a VM, may as well just install wheezy. Then there's no need for the schroot :)
[12:12] <reider59> My goD friggle: I have the Raspbian Desktop in a vnc session over SSH. I just created a folder and put my 4 LCD programs in). the speed and efficiency it did this was just like using the Pi direct on a screen and not over the network. T]here is a definate improvement there and no freezing so far.
[12:12] <Will|> friggle: ah ok, cool
[12:12] <Will|> thanks
[12:12] <friggle> reider59: mpthompson and plugwash rock :)
[12:12] <reider59> You all do
[12:13] <friggle> Will|: I've made a bug so I remember to take a look at this and see if I can fix it https://github.com/asb/spindle/issues/115
[12:13] <friggle> Will|: afraid I've got to go now, but feel free to ping me here or make issues on the bug tracker if you run in to problems
[12:14] <Will|> thanks for the help, will do
[12:14] <Will|> and good work :)
[12:17] <cmug> A raspbian question (LXDE): How to disable window contents from being updated when moving a window? This would ????
[12:17] <cmug> ????=speed up
[12:18] <friggle> cmug: I didn't see an option to do that in openbox but do let me know if you do.
[12:18] <friggle> cmug: I did disable redrawing when resizing windows
[12:18] <Peanut> In the bootfile on raspbian, there's a mention that it clocks at 800MHz, so this is actually overclocking it?
[12:18] <cmug> friggle: yeah that much I found too
[12:18] <friggle> Peanut: the sd image released yesterday http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1605 does not overclock
[12:18] <friggle> err yes, really off now. Later folks
[12:19] <Peanut> Ok, thanks
[12:21] <zarac> I'm trying to play a 720p x264 mkv file with ffplay, and it's extremely slow (like 1fps or so). I'm using the arm128_start.elf. /proc/meminfo tells me 123568 kB and /proc/vc-mem tells me 268435456 B. Is there something else i need to do to utilize the gpu? Anyone got some blog/wiki article to recommend?
[12:21] <zarac> Any other way to check my gpu ram?
[12:22] <booyaa> have you tried using omxplayer?
[12:22] <booyaa> i don't know if ffplay is optimised for rpi
[12:23] <zarac> nope, but i shall :)
[12:23] <booyaa> wow this benchmark stuff about armel vs armhf is interesting. thought the benefits would be for financial or anything using fp. turns out it's a benefit for a lot of apps: http://www.memetic.org/raspbian-benchmarking-armel-vs-armhf/
[12:24] <zarac> not available through pacman, buu :)
[12:24] <booyaa> zarac: :(
[12:24] <booyaa> surprised
[12:26] <zarac> Do you know of any other way to test if the gpu works ok? (i tried real slick screensaver and it's extremely slow too).
[12:27] <booyaa> zarac: i thinkt here's some test bins in /opt/vc
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[12:28] <booyaa> caffeinating...
[12:28] <zarac> i'll have a look, thanks
[12:29] <cmug> Probably not available in arch?
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[12:32] <zarac> it exists but it cannot find the .so. What's that linked library variable called now again? LIBRARY_LD_PATH? :)
[12:32] <TheBadger> For some reason my color has gone from my SSH. I am running wheezy and it was there yesterday.. I have replaced the .bashrc file with the one described here http://blog.secaserver.com/2011/06/debianubuntu-make-ssh-terminal-run-colors/ but still not color
[12:32] <cmug> LD_LIBRARY_PATH I think
[12:32] <cmug> check with ldd what it needs
[12:32] <zarac> thanks
[12:33] <RaYmAn> TheBadger: make sure your TERM is set to xterm-color
[12:33] <cmug> TheBadger: i assume that would be defined by your PS1 variable
[12:33] <buZz> TheBadger: ls --color=auto
[12:33] <cmug> erm, never mind
[12:34] <zarac> it needs libvchipq_arm.so which is in /opt/vc/lib. It finds it now. I just have to figure out how to use it. Thanks :)
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[12:34] <cmug> zarac: tell me when you figure how to use it, i want to try too
[12:34] <zarac> :)
[12:34] <TheBadger> buZz that makes the color temporarily come up but my name is still white.. it was green. RaYmAn and cmug I am not sure what you mean
[12:35] <RaYmAn> TheBadger: what do you use to ssh into the device?
[12:35] <cmug> TheBadger: well if the problem is the prompt not having colors, then look at the PS1 variable
[12:35] <TheBadger> ubuntu terminal
[12:35] <TheBadger> and i tried putty on windows
[12:35] <TheBadger> both still white
[12:35] <cmug> TheBadger: do PS1="\[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\] \[\033[01;34m\]\w \$\[\033[00m\]"
[12:36] <zarac> cmug: i tried the -f (functional test) with 2 iterations. Not sure if it works or not. It says ..... != VCHIQ_SUCCESS :)
[12:36] <cmug> copy paste that into your ssh session
[12:36] <cmug> zarac: what was the exact command you ran?
[12:36] <cmug> vchiq_test -f ?
[12:36] <TheBadger> cmug: that worked... will that boot forever now in color?
[12:36] <TheBadger> how come it changed you think?
[12:36] <cmug> TheBadger: no, it only exists for your current session
[12:37] <zarac> cmug: ./vchiq_test -f 2 (the 2 is arbitrary)
[12:37] <cmug> you have changed it in your .bashrc or similar
[12:37] <cmug> zarac: yeah I get the same output
[12:37] <TheBadger> okay sorry to keep bothering you but how would I make that permanent again? I am a newb obviously
[12:37] <booyaa> add it to your .bashrc or .bash_profile ?
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[12:37] <zarac> cmug: Can you play videos in HD?
[12:38] <booyaa> using nano to edit it if you're not familar with vim
[12:38] <booyaa> TheBadger: that was for you btw
[12:38] <cmug> It is apparently set in your .bashrc, so open it up with a text editor (it is in your ~ dir) and then modify the PS1 line there to be identical to the pasted values
[12:38] <cmug> zarac: not tried
[12:38] <zarac> cmug: it didn't like -p 3
[12:38] <cmug> TheBadger: if [ "$color_prompt" = yes ]; then PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\] \[\033[01;34m\]\w \$\[\033[00m\] '
[12:38] <cmug> else
[12:38] <zarac> cmug: ok :)
[12:38] <cmug> go fix that line
[12:40] <zarac> cmug: are you on debian? (i'm on arch)
[12:40] <cmug> zarac: yes I am on the raspbian wheezy
[12:40] <zarac> you might have more luck :)
[12:40] <cmug> what was the bunny hd video that is free?
[12:40] <cmug> i can try to play that
[12:41] <zarac> no clue, but please link if you find. I tried some human planet video in 720p
[12:41] <Xark> cmug: I think it is in /opt/vc/src/hello_video (or something close to that path).
[12:41] <cmug> Big Buck Bunny
[12:41] <booyaa> cmug: damn i know which one you're talking about too... it was the one the open elec team demo'd
[12:41] <zarac> ah
[12:41] <cmug> bigbuckbunny.org
[12:41] <cmug> Xark: /opt/vc/src/hello_pi maybe?
[12:42] <Xark> OK, and hello_video in there perhaps...
[12:42] <cmug> must be compiled first
[12:42] * Xark is logging into his RPi...
[12:42] <cmug> no hello_video..
[12:42] <RITRedbeard> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/13412229.jpg
[12:43] <RITRedbeard> they censored my internet... I censored their screams
[12:43] <buZz> nice
[12:43] <zarac> hello_pi/hello_video :) (it runs but darn it is slow
[12:43] <booyaa> heh websensed
[12:43] <booyaa> irony
[12:43] <Xark> cmug: "/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_video/test.h264" that video (or perhaps a snippet of it).
[12:43] <Xark> ^is that*
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[12:44] <cmug> Xark: yes it was there i was just blind :-)
[12:44] <Xark> zarac: How are you playing it? The hello_video player did a nice job when I tried playing it.
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[12:45] <zarac> Xark: I tried with ffplay again. I shall try with hello_video player, thanks. :)
[12:45] <cmug> yep plays beautifully for me too
[12:45] <cmug> hello_video that is
[12:46] * Xark really likes how you can do video and OpenGL without wasting memory on X. :)
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[12:47] <zarac> do i just 'make' from inside hello_video ?
[12:47] <Xark> zarac: I believe so.
[12:47] <cmug> zarac: yes
[12:47] <Xark> zarac: Same for the other OpenGL demos (hello_triangle etc.) if you want to try those.
[12:48] <zarac> sweet :)
[12:48] <cmug> or just compile them all as per instructions on the top level helo_pi
[12:48] <danfrincu> ok, so I dd'ed the raspbian wheezy image onto an SD card's first partition (FAT32), put the card into RPI, hooked up a network link to a laptop I got running DHCP
[12:48] <danfrincu> no link on the cable
[12:48] <Xark> cmug: Hey, no reading the instructions, that is cheating. :)
[12:48] <danfrincu> should the image be dd'ed onto a partition or the raw device?
[12:49] <danfrincu> as in, /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda
[12:49] <cmug> danfrincu: i would guess raw device. But if you get it up and running, run sudo dhclient eth0 to get the network working
[12:49] <cmug> at least mine does not startup dhcp automatically when I connect the ethernet
[12:49] <zarac> buu. it fails to make hello_video. /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lilclient \n collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[12:49] * Xark tries out his freshly downloaded Rasbian SD card...
[12:49] <zarac> any ideas?
[12:49] <cmug> zarac: you have to build the libraries first
[12:50] <cmug> as per README on hello_pi level
[12:50] <zarac> ah, thanks
[12:50] <cmug> make -C hello_pi/libs/vgfont etc..
[12:50] <zarac> roger :)
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[12:54] <Arch1mede> danfrincu: are you doing this headless?
[12:54] <zarac> what directory should i be in when i do so? the README is inside hello_pi which makes me think i should be there, but the readme says make -C hello_pi/libs .. which makes me think i should be in /opt/vc. Does it not matter?
[12:54] <danfrincu> Arch1mede: yep
[12:54] <zarac> (sorry i'm a scared newbie)
[12:54] <cmug> zarac: yes it should be in /opt/vc
[12:54] <danfrincu> Arch1mede: out of necessity, I don't have the proper cables to connect RPI to a monitor, yet
[12:55] <cmug> zarac: run the rebuild.sh that will do it all for you
[12:55] <zarac> ah, cool :)
[12:55] <Arch1mede> danfrincu: then you prob did it wrong...whats your host pc?
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[12:55] <danfrincu> Arch1mede: ubuntu
[12:55] <zarac> i like the manual way though :)
[12:55] <zarac> makes me feel smarter, heehee
[12:55] <cmug> :) the README is just flawed
[12:56] <zarac> )
[12:56] <Arch1mede> danfrincu: there is a beginners guide on the rpi home page under downloads...are you following that?
[12:57] <danfrincu> Arch1mede: I'm following http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Copying_an_image_to_the_SD_Card_in_Linux_.28command_line.29
[12:59] <Arch1mede> danfrincu: looks right.....you are hooking this directly to your laptop?
[13:00] <danfrincu> Arch1mede: yeah, I got it running now
[13:00] <danfrincu> DHCP by default, ssh by default
[13:01] <Arch1mede> right
[13:01] <danfrincu> my issue was I dd'ed onto sdb1 instead of sdb
[13:01] <Arch1mede> what did you do to fix it?
[13:01] <Arch1mede> ohh
[13:01] <Arch1mede> heh
[13:01] <danfrincu> I kinda wanted to put 3 RPI OS's on the same card
[13:01] <danfrincu> SD card
[13:01] <danfrincu> and hack at grub
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[13:01] <danfrincu> I'll still do it, but it will take more time :)
[13:01] <Arch1mede> grub doesnt work
[13:01] <danfrincu> well, it has some kind of bootloader, right
[13:02] <cmug> you have to modify the cmdline.txt file to point the correct root i blieve
[13:02] <danfrincu> which is in the first 512 bytes of the disk
[13:02] <cmug> yep, it reads it from the /boot/cmdline.txt
[13:02] <cmug> (the bootloader)
[13:02] <TheBadger> cmug: I tried adding that PS1 line to both the .bashrc for my user and the .bashrc for root and although just typing the line in console changes all the colours, adding it to the files does nothing on reboot
[13:02] <danfrincu> cool, so I can partition it
[13:02] <TheBadger> its all white still
[13:02] <Arch1mede> well with all the smart people in here i would have thought grub would have been the first thing that got mcjiggered...but i dont think its possible
[13:02] <danfrincu> TheBadger: source .bashrc
[13:03] <cmug> TheBadger: hmm then you must have something that overrides it
[13:03] <cmug> danfrincu: yes you can
[13:03] <danfrincu> i mean, to just load exactly that file
[13:03] <danfrincu> .bashrc
[13:03] <danfrincu> or just export PS1="whatever"
[13:03] <danfrincu> that would work as well
[13:03] <cmug> yeah that is a good test to make sure you modified it correctly
[13:03] <cmug> danfrincu: he is trying to make the change permanent
[13:03] <cmug> == .bashrc
[13:04] <cmug> but not working for reason X
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[13:04] <cmug> TheBadger: do what danfrincu suggested, command "source .bashrc" in home dir
[13:04] <danfrincu> echo $?
[13:04] <danfrincu> check to see if it borks for whatever reason
[13:04] <danfrincu> then run with set -x
[13:04] <danfrincu> and see how the script exports the variables
[13:05] <TheBadger> sauron@mordor:~$ source .bashrc
[13:05] <TheBadger> [e]0;u@h: wa]sauron@mordor ~ $
[13:05] <TheBadger> not sure what to make of that?
[13:05] <cmug> TheBadger: you have errors in your PS1 value
[13:05] <cmug> add or remove ""
[13:06] <cmug> TheBadger: after a new session, it does not give you the crap in the beginning though? So that would indicate that PS1 is set somewhere else for you
[13:07] <cmug> which files have you edited, as per the guide that you were following?
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[13:07] <TheBadger> hmm, I just edited .bashrc but only after the colors had gone, I didn't change anything before then... I installed Ruby on Rails RVM last night and since then no colors
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[13:08] <cmug> Not familiar with Ruby installations at all, but sounds like it has changed your environment configs somehow
[13:08] <cmug> in .bashrc, is the last line a source .ruby or similar?
[13:09] <zarac> I'm not succeeding. Where are the executables (.o ?) after ./rebuild.sh ?
[13:09] <cmug> zarac: in the respective directories, eg hello_video
[13:10] <zarac> ok, they are not there . :(
[13:10] <cmug> so compilation failed
[13:10] <cmug> what happened when you compiled the libraries manually?
[13:10] <zarac> yeah, it ends with rm foo.o :)
[13:11] <cmug> what does? the rebuild.sh?
[13:13] <zarac> a make -C hello_pi/libs/ilclient says "Nothing to be done for 'all'." (t didn't the first time i did it, but don't remember what it said apart from ending with rm foo.o)
[13:13] <cmug> do a make clean first
[13:13] <zarac> roger
[13:13] <Xark> zarac: It leaves *.bin files to run (just tried it, worked perfectly for me with rebuild.sh on Raspbian).
[13:13] <cmug> prolly want to cd hello_pi/lib/ilclient
[13:14] <cmug> yeah, it worked great for me too. But he is running Arch
[13:14] <Xark> Ahh
[13:14] <cmug> ar: creating libilclient.a
[13:14] <cmug> rm ilcore.o ilclient.o
[13:14] <zarac> make clean removed libilclient.a
[13:14] <cmug> thats how it ends with me
[13:15] <zarac> :)
[13:15] <Xark> ls
[13:15] * Xark hands himself a shell...
[13:16] <cmug> zarac: so it was succesfull building that library for you then
[13:16] <cmug> try the vgfont then
[13:16] <zarac> cmug: aha. sweeet. So the ilcore.o and ilclient.o are temporary?
[13:16] <cmug> yeah I guess it uses those to create the .a
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[13:17] <zarac> cool :)
[13:17] <cmug> Don't know how that works
[13:17] <zarac> seems plausible ;)
[13:17] <Xark> That makes sense. An archive (.a) file is pretty much a bunch of .o files tacked together with a index of symbols added.
[13:17] <cmug> $(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(INCLUDES) -g -c $< -o $@ -Wno-deprecated-declarations
[13:18] <cmug> man ar
[13:18] <cmug> ..
[13:18] <zarac> ah, thanks
[13:19] <cmug> what does $^ point to in bash? previous parameter?
[13:19] <Xark> zarac: .a file is also commonly known as a static library.
[13:20] <zarac> i get more ld issues when trying to make hello_video.. let me tinker.. :)
[13:20] <Xark> cmug: That is a makefile special symbol that means the source filename
[13:20] <zarac> Xark: oh, cool :)
[13:20] <Xark> cmug: Similarly $@ is the target (.o file in this case).
[13:20] <cmug> Xark: ok yeah Makefile is where I got it from, thought it was a bash thing.
[13:21] <cmug> (ba)sh
[13:21] <cmug> After I teach myself Python, I can start looking at C/C++ and maybe learn the makefile too
[13:21] <zarac> :)
[13:21] <zarac> n1
[13:21] <techsurvivor> start with c :)
[13:22] <techsurvivor> i meant after python
[13:22] <cmug> I've started with all of them so many times already..
[13:22] <techsurvivor> c++ is massive
[13:22] <buZz> jungle is massive
[13:22] <buZz> :breakdance:
[13:22] <Xark> cmug: That "incantation" tells make how to turn any ".c" file into a ".o" file (source to target).
[13:22] <TheBadger> cmug: sorry that took ages, comp crashed.. I have changed bashrc back to the default and the PS1 value is as you sent me.. I have redone the source .bashrc and now nothing comes up
[13:22] <cmug> even graduated with degrees in these, just never worked with them so forgot all :-)
[13:22] <techsurvivor> easy to use C from python too, so that's a nother plus
[13:22] <TheBadger> my bash RC mentions RVM at the bottom but I dont understand.. it is here http://pastebin.com/H1uDTcb7
[13:22] <cmug> TheBadger: ok great
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[13:23] <cmug> Xark: right
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[13:23] <zarac> brb :)
[13:23] <zarac> lol cmug
[13:23] <cmug> TheBadger: the PATH should not matter, you need to have that there if you want to execute RVM commands withou the absolute path
[13:24] <TheBadger> so it should work but just isn't doing :(
[13:24] <cmug> but you replaced it and it started to work?
[13:24] <cmug> sounds like it was just a typo somewhere you had
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[13:24] <TheBadger> no... the source command returned no errors, but on reboot the colors go back to white again..
[13:24] <cmug> techsurvivor: yeah all I would need is a well structured book
[13:25] <cmug> TheBadger: ah, so the fault does not lie in your .bashrc
[13:25] <TheBadger> if I just created a script which carried out the PS1 line on startup.. you reckon that would work?
[13:25] <dlynes> TheBadger, what's the name of your script file, and where are you putting it?
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[13:26] <TheBadger> dylnes, what script file? I am just messing around with .bashrc in home at the minute
[13:26] <dlynes> TheBadger, ah
[13:26] <cmug> TheBadger: not sure because it feels like you have a script that executes from somewhere that overwrites what you define in .bashrc
[13:27] <TheBadger> Linux keeps owning me
[13:27] <cmug> so your own script would have to execute as last, but not knowing what sets PS1 and where its impossible to say
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[13:27] <zarac> me too :)
[13:27] <cmug> its probably something very simple that we can't just spot now
[13:27] <dlynes> TheBadger, Just so you know, .bashrc only gets executed if you log in...not every terminal from X11 is a 'logged in' terminal
[13:28] <cmug> dlynes: but its broken after a reboot, and fixed if he runs .bashrc into a session
[13:28] <TheBadger> hmm well all I know is yesterday and for all time before it when I SSH'd in I had color and now I don't
[13:28] <GMaslov76> Hello! I told about the problem on the forum (http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=11571&p=126062 # p126062), but no one knows the answer. Maybe someone can suggest a solution here?
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[13:29] <Xark> TheBadger: Google says to add "source $HOME/.bashrc" to the end of your .bash_profile here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/bashrc-doesnt-execute-on-ssh-login-329009/
[13:30] <cmug> well there should be .profile file that executes .bashrc already
[13:31] <cmug> make sure that exists?
[13:31] <cmug> and make sure you don't have an empty .bash_profile file because that will prevent the .profile from being loaded (and thus .bashrc)
[13:31] <TheBadger> there was no .bash_profile
[13:32] <cmug> GMaslov76: sorry no clue
[13:32] <TheBadger> some other files though .bash_login
[13:32] <TheBadger> I created the .bash_profile, will return with findings
[13:32] <cmug> # This file is not read by bash(1), if ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login
[13:32] <cmug> # exists.
[13:32] <cmug> so .bash_login is preventing the .bashrc from being executed
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[13:33] <TheBadger> I think we are getting somehwere.. in bash_login is the following line [[ -s "$HOME/.rvm/scripts/rvm" ]] && source "$HOME/.rvm/scripts/rvm" # Load RVM into a shell session *as a function*
[13:33] <buZz> cmug: include .bashrc in .bash_login ;)
[13:33] <TheBadger> so its all about ruby.. if I add the source .bashrc under that and reboot you reckon itl work
[13:34] <cmug> buZz: yes
[13:34] <cmug> TheBadger: there we go then
[13:34] <buZz> yes sit
[13:34] <buZz> eh
[13:34] <buZz> sir*
[13:34] <cmug> TheBadger: yes it will, until the next update of RVM
[13:34] <cmug> then it will probably recreate the .bash_login and bork your .bashrc from loading. Might be easiest to create the .bash_profile file
[13:35] <cmug> or include the .bashrc into th e.bash_login
[13:36] <dlynes> TheBadger, On debian-based systems, this'll be ~/.profile, on Redhat-based systems, it'll be ~/.bash_profile
[13:36] <TheBadger> HAZARRR it works... you guys rock!
[13:36] <buZz> yes we do
[13:36] <buZz> ;)
[13:36] <TheBadger> ahh there is a file called .profile, I shall put it in there
[13:37] <dlynes> What's this 'RVM' that everyone keeps talking about?
[13:37] <cmug> dlynes: well, .profile is used by all shells AFAIK but ignored if .bash_profile|login exists
[13:37] <cmug> dlynes: ruby on rails
[13:37] <TheBadger> ruby version manager i think it is called.
[13:37] <dlynes> ah
[13:37] <buZz> RWM is Ruby With Miljk
[13:37] <buZz> -j
[13:37] <buZz> i would guess ;)
[13:37] <cmug> and the installation of RVM created a .bash_login file, which caused .profile to be ignored
[13:37] <cmug> I would raise a bug to the raspbian bugzilla :-)
[13:38] <cmug> Read Vucking Manual
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[13:38] <dlynes> Serves him right for installing Ruby :o
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[13:38] <cmug> hehe yes :)
[13:38] <dlynes> Python kicks ass :o
[13:38] <dlynes> Oops...sorry...forgot about the language rules here
[13:39] <TheBadger> Well I use python but have no web knowledge whatsoever... wanted to get GPIO over webserver and doing it through flask was blowing my mind so thought I would try ruby on rails as there is so much documentation
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> hi
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> there is a ruby interface to the GPIO.
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> and C, php, perl, java, and ... Python :)
[13:39] <dlynes> TheBadger, Python has a number of libraries for working with web content
[13:40] <TheBadger> I know but I have been trying to follow tutorials for days on flask and apache and it just blew chunks, ruby on rails seems much easier.. until it blew my bash up
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> so I'd do your web stuff in whatever you were most comfortable with, knowing that you should be able to interface it to the GPIO no-matter what you use.
[13:40] <dlynes> TheBadger, and you could even use modpython, or mod.... can't remember the module that is designed to replace modpython
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> php ;-)
[13:40] <TheBadger> I heard php was evil
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> I heard python was evil.
[13:41] <TheBadger> Python rocks, but not for me online it seems
[13:41] <dlynes> php isn't evil...it's php programmers that are evil
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> the truth is, that every language will have "brand loyalty" amongst those who use it.
[13:41] <techsurvivor> php tends to change a lot between versions and has oddities, but huge corps use it just fine. python is a lot more well thought out, is the general consensus (as is ruby)
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[13:41] <techsurvivor> but php can be really really easy :) .
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> I program in C, PHP and BASIC.
[13:42] <nid0> php is fine
[13:42] <dlynes> The problem inherent in any language that you use to produce web pages with will have security risks associated with it, and php programmers (more than other programmers) don't think about security as much
[13:42] <nid0> thats a rather sweeping statement to make
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> dlynes, not sure it's just php programmers - some of my clients are web deisng companies - I've seen abominations in just about every language used on a website...
[13:42] <dlynes> either that or because php is easy to learn, php programmers are more lazy
[13:43] <techsurvivor> you can be a good or bad programmer in any language. just do your research and be thorough and you'll be fine in most any language
[13:43] <dlynes> nid0, I said php is just fine
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> php is easy to learn - that's why it's popular, so the more people using it, then the higher the probability that some will write naff code.
[13:43] <nid0> anyone jumping into any "its easy to just make it work" language will just make it work and forget about security
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> windows is popular, so most virus writers target it...
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> etc. etc. etc.
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[13:44] <TheBadger> I am hoping the ruby tutorial will teach me security along the way as I know not much about it atm
[13:44] <techsurvivor> only idiots will, a good programmer can tighten down any program, no matter what the language, just google security for that language
[13:44] <mentar> Can I budge in with a question ?
[13:45] <dlynes> Anyways...the biggest security problem targeted at php that I've seen is sql injection, but that security risk can be targeted at any language that's used to produce web pages, if someone leaves a security hole in there
[13:45] <techsurvivor> you have to make it a priority and not just overlook it
[13:45] <buzzkill> mentar: you just did
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[13:45] <gordonDrogon> Anyway... wiringPi in C, Python, Ruby or Perl is here: https://github.com/WiringPi
[13:45] <Peanut> Please do, especially if the question is not about comparing programming languages (or editors).
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[13:45] <Gadgetoid> And please, please do fork and improve the wrapped versions of WiringPi!
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> so use that for GPIO access from your favourite web scripting system :)
[13:45] <mentar> Heh, true that. I'm just wondering how to mount the ext4 partition of a dd image backup of a card used for the RPi
[13:45] <techsurvivor> yeah, it's easy to get sidetracked, this is rpi not #languagebeatadeadhorse :)
[13:45] <Gadgetoid> Because I wont be able to work on them for the next few weeks :(
[13:45] <dlynes> Another security issue to keep in mind is escape characters or special characters that will allow someone to create a subshell to run some code you weren't expecting
[13:46] <booyaa> mentar: i think you need mount -o loopfs /path/to/image /mnt/point
[13:46] <booyaa> well that's how i used to mount disk images years ago
[13:46] <dlynes> Remember...an attacker can run your script in ways your web page isn't able to, by writing their own page
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[13:46] <cmug> great, my pi just crashed
[13:46] <dlynes> cmug, stop running Windows on it
[13:46] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: That doesn't work without a settings tweak afaik
[13:47] <mentar> I've found "mount myBackup.img /media/test -o offset=$((512*2048))" for the /boot partition
[13:47] <TheBadger> So you guys seem to know what your talking about.. before I start can I just make sure this is possible to do
[13:47] <booyaa> mentar: handy let me scribbled that down
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[13:47] <dlynes> TheBadger, go ahead
[13:47] <techsurvivor> should be able to just "sudo mount /dev/whatever/your/card/is /path/to/mountpoint"
[13:47] <cmug> dlynes: I wouldn't if I could
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I'd mount the image as a loopback device - losetup /dev/loop0 /path/to/image
[13:47] <dlynes> cmug, it was a joke :0
[13:47] <TheBadger> I am thinking of having 2 textboxes and then a 2 way communication to the raspberry pi USART over the internet... so I can control many things
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> then mount -t ext4 /dev/loop0 /mnt
[13:48] <TheBadger> so a webpage with 2 textboxes and then 2 way usart on the backend
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[13:48] <stealth``> is it possible to have my OS installed in an image file on an external USB HDD, and at the same time mount this HDD after I have booted into my raspberrypi?
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[13:48] <techsurvivor> i don't think you need the ext4 mount should figure it out
[13:48] <mentar> booyaa and gordonDrogon: Let me try mounting it as a loopback
[13:48] <booyaa> -- snip 12:45
[13:48] <dlynes> TheBadger, usart?
[13:48] <TheBadger> UART sorry
[13:48] <TheBadger> usart is on PIC's
[13:48] <cmug> dlynes: I know :)
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's not capable of synchronous operation...
[13:48] <cmug> and I meant I wouldn't run Windows even if I could on my RPi
[13:49] <Gadgetoid> mentar: If loop is a module, first remove it and then: modprobe loop max_part=63
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> Universal (Synchronouns) Asynchronous Reciever Transmitter
[13:49] <dlynes> TheBadger, secure it with a login (and not http authentication a la .htaccess files)
[13:49] <Gadgetoid> mentar: Then when you mount the dd image, every partition will be mounted to a separate loop /loop0p1 etc
[13:49] <dlynes> TheBadger, but other than that, it sounds good
[13:49] <TheBadger> okay I will, I was worried about speed talking back and forth to a webpage
[13:49] <techsurvivor> dang i'm done i totally missed "dd" part :( sorry
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[13:50] <dlynes> TheBadger, that all depends on your hops
[13:50] <dlynes> TheBadger, and your bandwidth, for that matter
[13:50] <dlynes> TheBadger, but mostly your hops
[13:50] <Gadgetoid> mentar: IE: rmmod loop; modprobe loop max_part=63
[13:50] <Gadgetoid> mentar: If loop isn't a module, you need to add loop.max_part=63 to your kernel opts
[13:51] <TheBadger> well I am not planning on running anything crazy fast and the network I am on is like 200MB's download n 100MP's upload or something so it should be speedy.. I just have never done anythign like this so thought it might take like 3 seconds to process each message or somethig crazy and make it unusable
[13:51] <dlynes> mentar, cool...never knew about the offset option to mount
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[13:51] <dlynes> mentar, is that for any filesystem type, or specific filesystem types?
[13:52] <dlynes> TheBadger, No...fractions of seconds
[13:52] <TheBadger> That's all I needed to know, niceone!
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[13:52] <mentar> dlynes: Think mount auto-detects the fat32 partition
[13:52] <Gadgetoid> dlynes: See max_part, it's easier than offset
[13:53] <NucWin> need more pi's and more usb -> sata
[13:54] <dlynes> TheBadger, Over a dedicated network (and dual core processors, and nvidia gpu), I've got a bunch of opengl processing running, nas data extraction, cgi processing, and web reques all happening in 0.7s or less
[13:54] <Gadgetoid> I feel another RPI guide coming on
[13:54] <TheBadger> Ahh so sending the odd message should be fine.. :D
[13:55] <mentar> gordonDrogon: Thanks, tried your losetup + mount but it says it's "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0". Think it's due to the fact that the image was of the whole /dev/sdb with 2 partitions on it
[13:55] <mentar> Gadgetoid: Thanks, will try now
[13:55] <Gadgetoid> mentar: rmmod loop;modprobe loop max_part=63 !!
[13:55] <Gadgetoid> Haha :D
[13:55] <Gadgetoid> TIME TRAVEL!
[13:55] <dlynes> TheBadger, well, what i'm doing is not happening on an rpi, but yeah, I would imagine you could handle at least 2 messages per second, without trying to time anything on the rpi
[13:56] <techsurvivor> does it have a fat partition, you might have to account for that in the mount if you want to get to the ext4 partition
[13:56] <dlynes> TheBadger, but, if you want to know for sure, try doing some requests in a loop, and time them (using millisecond accuracy), or do your timing outside the aggregate, if you only care about seconds resolution
[13:57] <techsurvivor> http://www.andremiller.net/content/mounting-hard-disk-image-including-partitions-using-linux might help if you have mixed partitions
[13:57] <techsurvivor> er "multiple partitions"
[13:57] <TheBadger> dlynes, Okay that sounds like a good place to start..sweet... Right now off the learn Ruby.. Thanks again everyone who helped
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[13:58] <dlynes> techsurvivor, yeah...that's always tripped me up, and never bothered to try to figure out whether i could do it, because it wasn't a priority for me
[13:59] <mentar> Gadgetoid: But after that how does it link in with the /loop0p1, "loop" is a new territory to me so I'm a little lost
[13:59] <Gadgetoid> mentar: losetup imagename
[14:00] <Gadgetoid> mentar: Then you can mount /dev/loop0p1 etc to your mountpoint of choice
[14:01] <mentar> Gadgetoid: Cheers but that spits out "loop: can't get info on device backup.img: Function not implemented"
[14:01] <dlynes> mentar, loop is a special device that gets used when you use the '-o loop' parameter to mount
[14:01] <Gadgetoid> mentar: What image are you trying to mount?
[14:01] <dlynes> mentar, i.e. mount /root/disk.img /media/mounted_file -o loop
[14:02] <dlynes> mentar, most kernels will generally create 8 loop devices by default, but I believe you might be able to override that with kernel parameters
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[14:03] <mentar> gadgetoid: just a straight "dd if=/dev/sdb of=backup.img"
[14:03] <dlynes> mentar, iow, you can have up to 8 files mounted at a time..in practice, I doubt very much you'll ever have more than 2 or 3 at a time
[14:03] <dlynes> anyways...gotta run to work...laters
[14:03] <mentar> dlynes: thanks, I've used the "-o loop" options for iso mounting, didn't give much thought to what was happening behind the scenes
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[14:04] <cmug> you will if you want to use raw partitions for something
[14:04] <cmug> fake raw devices I mean
[14:05] <Gadgetoid> mentar: Sorry, try: losetup /dev/loop0 backup.img
[14:07] <techsurvivor> looks like there is a tool called kpartx that makes this simpler :)
[14:07] <techsurvivor> althought you won't learn as much
[14:07] <techsurvivor> http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Mounting_Disk_Images
[14:08] <mentar> Gadgetoid: That worked cheers, but how how to mount a specific partition on /dev/loop0?
[14:08] <Gadgetoid> mentar: If you ls /dev/loop* do you see loop0p1?
[14:09] <Gadgetoid> mentar: the rmmod loop;modprobe loop max_part=63 should make the partition setup happen automagically
[14:09] <mentar> Gadgetoid: no, just the 8 loop devices and the control. I've run that pretty much
[14:10] <mentar> techsurvivor: thanks for those links I'll take a look at them
[14:10] <Gadgetoid> Curious, I can't seem to get it to work *on* the Pi
[14:11] <mentar> Gadgetoid: Though rmmod says no such module exists
[14:11] <mentar> Gadgetoid: In /proc/modules I mean
[14:11] <Gadgetoid> mentar: could be compiled in, in which case you need loop.max_part=63 as a kernel option
[14:13] <Gadgetoid> Oh it's suddenly started working for me, no idea how
[14:13] <Gadgetoid> Got /dev/loop0p1 and /dev/loop0p2
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[14:14] <kobzar> re
[14:14] <kobzar> hi all
[14:14] <Gadgetoid> Otherwise you have to fdisk /dev/loop0, figure out the start sector and bash your head against a desk
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[14:16] <Gadgetoid> I posted a guide, anyway, for posterity: http://pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/post/017-getting-at-the-ext-partition-in-a-raspberry-pi-os-image
[14:16] <mentar> Gadgetoid: Hah, thanks. I'm afraid I've done the bashing already
[14:16] <kobzar> i am a new user. I live in ukraine. I dont wery well speak to english. But i need help. I cant find a display monitor to low coast with touchscreen
[14:16] <Gadgetoid> mentar: Never enough bashing, meladdo!
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[14:17] <kobzar> pyu are GURU! may be you can answer me...
[14:18] <kobzar> soory for my english
[14:19] <Gadgetoid> Sorry for English in general...
[14:19] <Gadgetoid> Although I'm not directly for the illogical abortion of a language that it is, I feel partly at fault for continuing to use it
[14:20] <Gadgetoid> kobzar: Lilliput do monitors with touch screens, but I wouldn't call them low cost
[14:21] <kobzar> yes . its no low coast
[14:21] <mentar> techsurvivor: kpartx as per your second link did the job beautifully, many thanks. I'll leave the learning about the loop in linux for later, I just wanted to get access to my compiled code that I spent days compiling on the Pi :P
[14:22] <kobzar> i whant buy it no more than 40 $
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[14:23] <kobzar> may be i can buy display and touchscreen singly?
[14:23] <kobzar> but i need 100 persent working device !
[14:23] <kobzar> i buy it on my birthday !
[14:24] <Gadgetoid> mentar: kpartx looks good, I'll have to add it to my guide!
[14:24] <buZz> i saw some cheap touchscreen tfts
[14:24] <buZz> for under 40 usd
[14:24] <buZz> i2c interfaced
[14:25] <buZz> lemme search it
[14:25] <mentar> Gadgetoid: Awesome, thanks a lot for your help :)
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[14:27] <Davespice> what is the new raspbian wheezy image like? anyone using it yet?
[14:27] <kobzar> buZz have a link?
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[14:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> fine Davespice
[14:28] <Davespice> cool, are the hello pi demos still there and do they still build okay?
[14:28] <buZz> http://www.ebay.nl/itm/2-4-TFT-LCD-Module-Touch-Panel-PCB-adapter-SD-card-cage-320-240-for-Arduino-/180872357787?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1cd5279b
[14:29] <buZz> kobzar: this shop has more. but its not i2c it seems
[14:29] <buZz> but easy to interface with arduino
[14:30] <Husky> v
[14:30] <cmug> Davespice: yes they are still there and they compile just fine
[14:30] <cmug> and at least the ones I tried run ok too
[14:30] <Davespice> thanks cmug, any news ones? :)
[14:30] <cmug> not sure, I got my Pi today so don't know what existed before
[14:30] <Davespice> I did see a fractal one which was quite cool, triangle2
[14:31] <Davespice> oh cool, congrats :)
[14:31] <cmug> hello_audio hello_triangle hello_world README
[14:31] <cmug> hello_dispmanx hello_triangle2 libs rebuild.sh
[14:31] <cmug> hello_font hello_video
[14:31] <cmug> thnx
[14:31] <Davespice> ah cool, yeah they're the same ones
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[14:48] <BlackBishop> Hi peeps, does anyone know if the new raspberian have the xbmc packages compiled with support for the videocore libs ?
[14:48] <BlackBishop> if they don't, they should ! :)
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[14:49] <Davespice> there is raspbmc but I am not sure if that is using hardfp..
[14:50] <friggle> BlackBishop: check out adama's xbmc binaries at memetic.org for now
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[14:51] <BlackBishop> grgl, why wouldn't it have the . only www. :|
[14:51] <BlackBishop> grrr
[14:53] <BlackBishop> why is it .tar.gz and not a .deb :| would avoid needing to manually apt-get install other stuff afterwards ! :|
[14:53] * BlackBishop is in a very bad mood
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[14:53] * NucWin hands BlackBishop some cookies
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[14:54] <NucWin> there is enough to go around
[14:54] <NucWin> maybe not 388 - bots though
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[14:54] <friggle> BlackBishop: because xbmc is a pain to package and it hasn't been done yet. Assistance welcome :)
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[14:55] <NucWin> im curious on how xbmc is compiled with video core libs
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[14:55] <NucWin> im not at that stage yet but i will get there
[14:56] <intelminer> Random question, I don't suppose anyone from the Raspberry Pi foundation frequents this IRC?
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[14:57] <kobzar> some one know how connect this device to RPI without problem ? http://www.ebay.nl/itm/2-4-TFT-LCD-Module-Touch-Panel-PCB-adapter-SD-card-cage-320-240-for-Arduino-/180872357787?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1cd5279b
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[14:57] <NucWin> intelminer my guess is they are too busy with paid work and foundation work to keep up with irc
[14:58] <friggle> intelminer: I'm a foundation person (Alex Bradbury, software dev)
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[14:58] <intelminer> friggle: I sent you guys an email a few weeks back about a Gentoo image I built for the Raspberry Pi, I never got any response, and when I tweeted at @Raspberry_Pi, I was blocked sometime after?
[14:59] <BlackBishop> rpi+arduino .. = net controller chiller
[14:59] <BlackBishop> :D
[14:59] <BlackBishop> now I can start up my chiller at home 30 minutes before I get there ..
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> BlackBishop, why do you need the arduino - or is this something you already have?
[15:00] <BlackBishop> I already have ..
[15:00] <BlackBishop> I dunno how to interface the chiller's remote control to the rpi
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> ok
[15:00] <friggle> intelminer: you have a thread on the forums?
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[15:00] <BlackBishop> on arduino, I just linked the buttons to the IOs and set them on high/low :D
[15:01] <BlackBishop> and it's like I'd press the remote control's buttons ..
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> BlackBishop, ok - so the buttons on the chiller run at 5V ?
[15:01] <BlackBishop> 3.3
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> that's handy.
[15:01] <BlackBishop> I'm just glad I got to mix the 2 lil pieces to do something
[15:01] <BlackBishop> :D
[15:01] <intelminer> friggle: Not on the forum, I made a post on my blog, followed by a reddit post. Some users suggested I email you guys about getting it included with the Debian and Arch images, so I sent an email to info@raspberrypi.org
[15:02] <buZz> which image?
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> have to say though - what I'd probably do... is hook up an XRF module to the Arduino, then a URF on the PI, and arrange to send a command over the serial link from the Pi - (or another Linux box) saves tying up the Pi for one task...
[15:02] <friggle> intelminer: your best way forward is going to be to engage the community on the forums
[15:02] <buZz> intelminer: can i see your blow post? :D
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[15:02] <buZz> blog*
[15:02] <intelminer> buZz: http://intelminer.com/blog/?p=18
[15:02] <BlackBishop> buZz: we now know what you're thinking at ..
[15:02] <BlackBishop> ;)
[15:03] <buZz> yes, need weed
[15:03] <buZz> oooo
[15:03] <buZz> let me spam this around
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> wonder if I can upgrade a wheezy to raspbian via apt-get dist-upgrade ...
[15:03] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[15:03] <BlackBishop> uuu, gentoo on rpi
[15:03] <BlackBishop> <3 ..
[15:04] <NucWin> i got gentoo on pi \o/
[15:04] * BlackBishop remembers the time he set up gentoo on his sheevaplug
[15:04] <buZz> intelminer: cool stuff :) keep up the good work!
[15:04] <NucWin> im using it to compile archarm packages to armv6j hardfloat
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[15:05] <BlackBishop> I think I need some sort of nfs and make the rpi boot off nfs
[15:05] <BlackBishop> :/
[15:05] <jzu> has anyone here experimented with read-only filesystems on the SD card?
[15:05] <TheBadger> could anyone show me how I copy text to the system clipboard in vi over ssh..
[15:05] <NucWin> i have 2.5" hdd on usb for gentoo
[15:05] <BlackBishop> neah, since it'll be always on
[15:06] <intelminer> An external hard drive seems to be the best way to run Gentoo on a Pi so far
[15:06] <BlackBishop> any normal 2.5/3.5 hdds on usb will suck after about 1 year
[15:06] <BlackBishop> I had one fail each year ..
[15:06] <BlackBishop> so, no, I'll get some nas with some dedicated drives
[15:06] <intelminer> I'd offer to set up binary packages for it, but due to the nature of Gentoo, that'd quickly become a headache
[15:06] <NucWin> im more worried about my bridge than the hdd (it comes in very usefull for pc repair)
[15:07] <NucWin> i may try nfs at some point but hdd was only a cp and edit of 2 files
[15:08] <intelminer> I'm running it off an old as hell 60GB IDE drive, seems to work well enough (though, it needs a powered USB hub)
[15:08] <BlackBishop> it's either nfs or iscsi
[15:08] <BlackBishop> mhmmm, does rpi know initrd stuff ?
[15:09] <intelminer> Pretty sure it could do it, though the image I linked doesn't
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> BlackBishop, it's a kernel/installation issue, not directly a Pi issue.
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[15:12] <BlackBishop> awesomethen ..
[15:12] <BlackBishop> iscsi it'll be !
[15:12] <cmug> TheBadger: can you repeat that? you want to do what?
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> there is someone using iSCSI on a Pi...
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> forgotten who though.
[15:13] <TheBadger> Hi cmug, I may have found a tutorial.. sorry I will try it out now
[15:13] <cmug> TheBadger: ok :)
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> no reason not to if you have an existing iscsi server and infrastructure.
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> I've played with nfs, but sticking to direct SDs for now.
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[15:14] <intelminer> friggle: Posted, needs moderator approval before it'll appear however
[15:16] <friggle> intelminer: approved (everyone's first few posts need manual approval as an anti-spam measure)
[15:16] <intelminer> friggle: Understood, fingers crossed it becomes popular then
[15:18] <nid0> gordonDrogon: thats probably me
[15:19] <nid0> BlackBishop: i've put up a full idiots guide to getting iscsi running on a pi on elinux, I wrote it for the squeeze release but it should be the same for raspbian wheezy
[15:20] <friggle> intelminer: thanks for providing your prebuilt image - it is useful. I know there was some discussion arising from abiword under gentoo being noticeable faster than raspbian (likely due to different package versions, but well worth ivnestigating)
[15:20] <BlackBishop> nid0: can ya' share the link please ? :)
[15:20] <nid0> http://www.elinux.org/RPi_iSCSI_Initiator
[15:20] <BlackBishop> thanks
[15:20] <booyaa> friggle: is it possible to update beta version of wheezy to latest version of official raspian?
[15:21] * booyaa suspect he'll have to reflash his sd tonight
[15:21] <BlackBishop> awesomeness :D
[15:21] <booyaa> would rather be playing with it remotely now :)
[15:21] <TheBadger> cmug: this is what I am trying to do.. I just followed this tutorial and nothing https://defuse.ca/blog/2012/04/clipboard-over-ssh-with-vim/
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[15:22] <TheBadger> still not copying
[15:22] <friggle> booyaa: not really an easy way unfortunately :/
[15:22] <intelminer> friggle: I did watch the Gentoo forum for anyone else making a prebuilt image, but when I got my Pi and saw nobody did, I decided to fill the gap
[15:22] <booyaa> friggle: okay fair enough :D
[15:22] <friggle> booyaa: you could copy your package list and install the same packages, and copy across /etc and your home dir
[15:22] <friggle> I'd really appreciate it if anyone had the time to write a migration guide if they attempt something like that
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[15:23] <ReggieUK> friggle, is there a tutorial for cross compiling (sanely) for raspbian?
[15:23] <cmug> TheBadger: I'm confused about what the goal is
[15:23] <BlackBishop> I need another UPS
[15:23] <BlackBishop> as in .. the one I have + another one ..
[15:23] <ReggieUK> or a toolchain of sorts with scratchbox or w/e so that the user isn't left fishing around in the dark trying to configure ./configure and auto-stuff?
[15:24] <booyaa> friggle: i'll give it a go. there's a fair few apps though. does the team have a check list of tests they run again to make certain the build is stable?
[15:24] <ReggieUK> that should be the average/noob user
[15:24] <BlackBishop> I also need vlans, and a bigger switch .. and a /2{6,7} @ home
[15:24] <booyaa> re: apps - stuff like scratch
[15:24] <friggle> ReggieUK: what problems are you having? It should be the same as cross-compiling for armel wheezy except now you have a hardfp cross compiler
[15:24] <BlackBishop> do I have a problem ?
[15:24] <friggle> ReggieUK: if you were previously targetting squeeze, then the wheezy multiarch stuff does make things a little more fiddly
[15:24] <ReggieUK> the issue was with scratchbox2/qemu, it didn't like it
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[15:25] <friggle> booyaa: check out my release criteria at github.com/asb/spindle - though it's not as formal a process as it coudl be right now
[15:25] <ReggieUK> unfortunately, I don't know what the issue was entirely but it seems there was incompatibility between sb2 and hf and I don't think a change of compiler was enough
[15:26] <TheBadger> cmug: ahh right.. well when I am sshing into my raspberry pi.. sometimes I want to edit the files in vim.. however when I press copy I cannot paste into the ubuntu desktop which I am sshing from
[15:27] <cmug> TheBadger: why not use the clipboard of your Ubuntu? If you highlight the text in the vim window (xterm or similar) it gets to your Ubuntu's clipboard
[15:27] <booyaa> friggle: ty
[15:28] * aaa801 sits on ReggieUK
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> nid0, yes! terrible memory for names :)
[15:29] <techsurvivor> you should be able to copy and paste just fine, I have no problems with it, what terminal are you using when you ssh in ?
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> BlackBishop, IPv6 ?
[15:29] <BlackBishop> gordonDrogon: that too
[15:29] <BlackBishop> unfortunately, my tld ..
[15:29] <BlackBishop> doesn't have ipv6 glue
[15:29] <BlackBishop> :|
[15:30] <BlackBishop> ( blame the .tk guys )
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> ok. .tk guys - you're to blame!
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> but can't you get ipv6 at home/office?
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> and use a registrar that supports it, etc.
[15:31] <NucWin> ReggieUK im using archlinux in vmware with distcc and crosstool-ng to build for gentoo armv6j hardfloat
[15:31] <BlackBishop> I have a tunnel for now ..
[15:31] <NucWin> still using the pi for the leg work though
[15:31] <booyaa> NucWin: can i be lazy and ask for a copy of your vmware image? ;)
[15:32] <NucWin> ummm would take some uploading
[15:32] <NucWin> i could do step by step guide and provide .config it really is quite easy
[15:33] <booyaa> NucWin: yes plaese
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[15:34] <NucWin> booyaa have you installed arch linux before into vmware?
[15:35] <booyaa> NucWin: no, but is it one of the images from thoughtpolice?
[15:35] <booyaa> NucWin: i've done centos/debian/ubuntu/fedora though
[15:35] <NucWin> ok i will skip that bit as arch website had good walk through and its not difficult
[15:35] <buZz> does anyone know a cheap 3G USB stick ( cheap as in price, but also cheap as in powerusage ) ???
[15:36] <BlackBishop> no idea ... how about a k3520
[15:36] <BlackBishop> ?
[15:37] <BlackBishop> or E1762
[15:37] <buZz> both huawei?
[15:37] <buZz> hehe yes
[15:39] <kobzar> can someone explain to me what model to choose the display 2.5 -5 inch + tpuchscreen and how to connect? (private please, my english is bad...)
[15:39] <BlackBishop> yup
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[15:43] <cmug> TheBadger: btw, are you running vim-x11 over ssh?
[15:43] <cmug> gvim or whatever it's called
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[15:45] <gordonDrogon> Gosh - Pi's still on ebay - one for the silly price of ?199! (and down to an almost sensible price of ?45)
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[15:45] <w0m> hola
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> Hm. late lunch time.. laters..
[15:48] <TheBadger> cmug: erm I don't know which kind of vim I am running
[15:49] <TheBadger> I am just typing "vi" in raspberry pi's terminal
[15:49] <w0m> vi -version
[15:49] <cmug> TheBadger: well does it launch a separate window or just opens up the console version of vim for you?
[15:49] <TheBadger> well I am not running in a window manager.. I am just running in console entirely
[15:50] <kobzar> why not vim ?
[15:50] <cmug> Ahh, then I understand your problem with the clipboard I guess
[15:51] <cmug> kobzar: vi is an alias to vim these days on any decent distro
[15:51] <kobzar> 0_o?. thanks
[15:51] <w0m> gnu screen; [c-a] [ for console clipboard... :)
[15:51] <cmug> kobzar: ls -lah `which vi`; ls -lah /etc/alternatives/vi
[15:51] <cmug> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jul 15 19:02 /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi
[15:52] <cmug> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Jul 15 19:02 /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim.tiny
[15:52] <kobzar> can someone explain to me what model to choose the display 2.5 -5 inch + tpuchscreen and how to connect? (private please, my english is bad...)
[15:52] <kobzar> this is not spam. i am realy need help...
[15:52] <ReggieUK> kobzar, that's a bit of a difficult question to just answer I think, unless someone has already attached one to a pi
[15:53] <cmug> TheBadger: try w0m's suggestion, install it with apt-get and check the manual for details
[15:53] <ReggieUK> kobzar, the first 2 articles on this page might help:
[15:53] <ReggieUK> http://hackaday.com/?s=sprite
[15:53] <cmug> kobzar: there were some people talking about touchscreens in the raspberrypi forum
[15:54] <TheBadger> hi I really don't understand what w0m is saying for me to do
[15:54] <TheBadger> do I just write sudo apt-get install vim?
[15:54] <w0m> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install vim
[15:54] <zarac> I'm not succeeding with compiling the hello_video. Here's what i do: http://slask.zarac.se/make-error.txt
[15:55] <cmug> TheBadger: the software called screen might help you, as it apparently has a clipboard function. Then you can run one screen remotely and copy to another local screen
[15:55] <zarac> the hello_video test* :)
[15:55] <w0m> (Update will refresh your package list incase you never did it before; as in might not find vim)
[15:55] <cmug> w0m: screen? not vim I guess
[15:56] <cmug> TheBadger: http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/manual/screen.html#Copy
[15:57] <w0m> My apologies; What is the want? I joined in the middle of the conversation. gnu screen is a terminal multiplexor; lets you do anything you'd want with a window manager as far as terminal goes from pure command line
[15:57] <booyaa> TheBadger: if you're going to learn about tty multiplexers you migth as well learn tmux
[15:57] <cmug> w0m: copypaste text from a remote session inside console
[15:57] <booyaa> tmux > screen
[15:57] <cmug> I assume gdm is not going to help
[15:57] <nid0> this may be somewhat going against the grain but i'm currently finding the raspbian wheezy image a *lot* slower than stable squeeze or the original wheezy alpha :<
[15:57] <booyaa> sorry we're back on holy wars, TheBadger use what you want
[15:57] <cmug> booyaa: lol
[15:58] <booyaa> nid0: how are you testing?
[15:58] <cmug> I've used screen for the past 15 years so it is the only viable solution for everybody!
[15:58] <w0m> gnu screen (or tmux probably) is the want then. I made the attempt to switch a while back but got annoyed by default bindings (As i've been using screen for years, so of course it's default bindings are more sensible)
[15:58] <cmug> w0m: i hear ya
[15:59] <nid0> booyaa: general command line usage at the moment, apt updates take an age, its taken 4 minutes and counting so far to make and run menuconfig for the kernel, compared to maybe 20 secs on squeeze
[15:59] <zarac> w0m: ctrl-b hurts my hand :)
[15:59] <friggle> nid0: that's massively against the grain. It's possible there's some sort of regression you're running in to
[15:59] <cmug> TheBadger: http://www.rackaid.com/resources/linux-screen-tutorial-and-how-to/ here is a explanation what screen (and tmux) are and do to get you started
[15:59] <friggle> nid0: what SD card?
[15:59] <friggle> nid0: any error messages in dmesg?
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[16:00] <ukscone> nid0: there seems to be a regression in yesterdays firmware update, if you replace start.elf with the 1 from the 14th it'll be back to fast again until the regression is fixed
[16:00] <nid0> friggle: its a sandisk ultra 8GB class6 (which has always worked fine regardless of firmware in use)
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[16:01] <nid0> hdparm tests show the card is running perfectly fast and with make menuconfig running (almost 6 minutes now) iowait is zero, so i'm assuming its not a card issue
[16:01] <zarac> cmug: Mind checking what version of glibc you have? :)
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[16:02] <friggle> ukscone: the new raspbian image uses firmware as of :/ https://github.com/asb/firmware/commit/1309b3d512933ac0eee3f4e59c48c9dbfadc11a5
[16:02] <Flipo> anyone suceeded with the RTL81188CUS and Raspbian ?
[16:02] <nid0> Flipo: yep, no problems for me
[16:02] <cmug> zarac: libc-bin 2.13-33 ?
[16:03] <ukscone> friggle: yes but if you've done an rpi-update (like i did yesterday) it uses the newer version & most ppl i assume do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade followed by rpi-update when doing a new card
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[16:03] <ukscone> and i use the same card as he does although both 16gig and 6gig and same thing, fine until the update of fw
[16:03] <friggle> ukscone: I assume people don't do that before complaining there's a problem with the new image ;)
[16:03] <zarac> cmug: ok, thanks.Then that is not it. (thought maybe 2.4 was needed). :7
[16:04] <friggle> nid0: did you update the firmware since writing the image or not?
[16:04] <ukscone> friggle: actually yes, that's probably the best 1stish question :)
[16:04] <ukscone> s/6gig/8gig
[16:04] <Flipo> nid0: no config at all ? whenever plug mine boot time is very long then it tries to kill modprobe repeatedely
[16:05] <nid0> friggle: yeah it will have run this morning, I used the autoinstall script thats kicking around for realtek adaptors and the last thing that does is run rpi-update
[16:05] <friggle> nid0: ah, that may be the issue then :)
[16:05] <friggle> ukscone: the regression is in start.elf?
[16:06] <NucWin> booyaa still here?
[16:06] <nid0> i'll pull the start.elf from 4 days ago and see if that improves things
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[16:09] <TheBadger> Okay so I installed screen and did the copy mode etc.. and it says it copies the characters into a buffer
[16:09] <booyaa> NucWin: yam
[16:09] <TheBadger> however when I go into gedit and press paste i get bash: :copy: command not found
[16:09] <NucWin> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/42150098/RPi/arch-distcc-armv6j.txt
[16:09] <TheBadger> do I need to start screen on the server and the local?
[16:10] <cmug> TheBadger: http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/manual/screen.html#Paste
[16:10] <cmug> you need to run the gedit in another screen window
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[16:10] <NucWin> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml#doc_chap2 <-- forcsetting up gentoo
[16:10] <Joshun> hi
[16:10] <Joshun> anybody know what the tape covered slots are on the rpi?
[16:10] <NucWin> for setting up*
[16:10] <ukscone> friggle: seems to be, downgrading it seems to "fix" it
[16:10] <cmug> TheBadger: run screen, then login to ssh and run vim, then hit control - a - c to create a new shell and run gedit there
[16:11] <cmug> TheBadger: then change between vim and gedit with control a - n
[16:11] <booyaa> NucWin: ty will give a go over the next few days!
[16:11] <XeCrypt> hey guys
[16:11] <XeCrypt> anybody got MPD running from raspbmc ?
[16:11] <ukscone> friggle: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=5057&start=200 back a page as well
[16:11] <TheBadger> cmug yeah but that gedit would also be running on the raspberry pi right.. i want to paste from the rpi's vim to ubuntus gedit or vim or whatveer
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[16:12] <cmug> TheBadger: you must run screen in ubuntu
[16:12] <cmug> well not must but thats the way I would see this working for you
[16:12] <NucWin> booyaa if i get time this weekend i might make a live cd
[16:12] <friggle> ukscone: thanks
[16:13] <NucWin> oooh also i dont think it will work on x86
[16:13] <booyaa> NucWin: wooot!
[16:13] <friggle> I guess Dom's on it. That commit did have some pretty major start.elf changes
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[16:13] <NucWin> x86_64
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[16:13] <w0m> TheBadger: You have an ubuntu machine; and a rpi running terminal only; and you're ssh'ing to rpi from ubuntu? I'm a little fuzzy on your workflow here
[16:13] <Joshun> the components are s2 and s5
[16:14] <NucWin> my laptop had issues
[16:14] <NucWin> but was fine on my x86_64 desktop
[16:15] <nid0> ukscone: bingo, looks like I can confirm that issue, i've reverted to the 4 day old firmware and its comparatively flying now
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[16:17] <w0m> One of my usecases for rpi will be connected to usb dac running mpd server; and controlling it via android phone (just got rpi; so no word on how well it works yet, i'm a little worried about bandwidth on usb bus pulling music over nfs share and outputting 24hz to dac..)
[16:17] <cmug> TheBadger: http://pastebin.com/AgCj0QAN this is how I see you doing it
[16:17] <ukscone> nid0: great, just need to remember not to rpi-update willy-nilly without checking the commits first :)
[16:17] <Flipo> nid0: ah for the RTL8188CUS I still need to run that install script from the forums ?
[16:18] <TheBadger> w0m: I am probably doing this all wrong but this is how I am working.. I am running ubuntu on my works machine and then have the rpi on my works network.. so instead of using a monitor and keyboard on the rpi.. i am just sshing into it from my works ubuntu machine and running code etc there.. however when I run things like nano or vim I am finding it hard to copy things which are bigger than my terminal window by selecting them with a mo
[16:18] <TheBadger> use.. so really need a way to do select all copy and then paste it into ubuntu..
[16:18] <w0m> cmug: gedit starts x11 editor; which screen can't control copy/paste buffer for
[16:18] <cmug> but TheBadger said he does not have X at all
[16:18] <nid0> ukscone: tbh I hadnt given it a thought, I just ran the autoinstall script for realtek wifi adaptors, forgot it'd update the firmware till it started doing so but figured as the image was new there'd be nothing new major commited since then anyway
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[16:18] <cmug> but yeah that would be a problem :-)
[16:19] <nid0> Flipo: yes, that auto install script works fine (though read the past page or two as it runs a firmware update which has some major performance problems) or just follow the install steps manually
[16:19] <Flipo> nid0: thanks !
[16:20] <w0m> TheBadger: Ah; that's a little different. A terminal multiplexor will let you copy large chunks between terminals; but that's a little harder to do to go from terminal back to host operating system.
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[16:21] <w0m> My dirty workflow: ssh to rpi; work in gnu screen; vim blablalba. If you want to send somethign back to your local ubuntu machine; either use scp to copy entire file local (or dropbox/drive/etc), or ssh from rpi->back to ubuntu; and use gnu-screen copy/paste to put just the chunks you want into a local file on the ubuntu machine
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[16:22] <TheBadger> thats kinda what I am doing now but with ftp.. so I guess I will keep doing it
[16:22] <booyaa> w0m: very similar, in the process of trying to smb mount my media center pc's dropbox folder so i can have access to dropbox within rpi
[16:22] <w0m> My actual workflow if i often want to do that is to work entirely in a dropbox (or similar) folder that is constantly sync'd; and I can just open it locally and it's updated
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[16:22] <booyaa> sadly no arm support for dropbox linux client :(
[16:22] <w0m> booyaa: I never thought about there not being a dropbox arm client.. :(
[16:22] <buZz> thats when you get when you trust propietary services
[16:22] <markllama> yet?
[16:22] <TheBadger> I never even thought about dropbox! what a great idea..shame about the arm deal
[16:23] <booyaa> people haev wanted since openwrt
[16:23] <buZz> there is dropbox for arm
[16:23] <buZz> if you run android :)
[16:23] <markllama> so we need the Virt support so we can run android in Linux to get Dropbox?
[16:23] <w0m> android client doesn't do live folder sync; just file access/upload. Relatively useless (basically web ui but less useful)
[16:23] <buZz> android already runs on linux
[16:23] <buZz> w0m: imho dropbox is pointless anyway
[16:24] <TheBadger> does google drive work on linux yet?
[16:24] <buZz> or any other 'cloud storage'
[16:24] <buZz> i have NFS, more than enough
[16:24] <booyaa> hahaahaha
[16:24] <buZz> and SFTP
[16:24] <markllama> buZz: err... yeah.
[16:24] <buZz> if you are too dumb to use NFS, i dont care about you that much :)
[16:24] <TheBadger> I couldnt live without drobox
[16:24] <markllama> I love my serial ports, but I won't claim they're "enough" ;-)
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[16:25] <buZz> TheBadger: well they will go bankrupt eventually
[16:25] <buZz> or closed by FBI
[16:25] <TheBadger> then I will port to google drive
[16:25] <buZz> so i guess this is goodbye
[16:25] <TheBadger> it was good while it lasted
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[16:25] <buZz> better port the data before the feds take everything
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[16:26] <w0m> buZz: nice thing about dropbox is all files are stored locally; and if you have multiple computers; each computer is a full backup (less you do selective syncing)
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> dropbox is too easy to use - which is good and bad.
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> I'm trying to wean a company off dropbox and onto a combination of Linux server running samba and VPN.
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> and it's proving hard.
[16:27] <w0m> For actual work; it's generally a horrible idea to work locally at all
[16:27] <TheBadger> nah..linux sucks.. dropbox and windows ftw right buzz?
[16:27] <nid0> Karen's Replicator <3
[16:27] <buZz> lol
[16:27] <buZz> i dont use proprietary software
[16:27] <buZz> so i dont know what this is
[16:27] <booyaa> nid0: huh?
[16:27] <w0m> everythign should be on nfs/smb mounts or similar; lets you do corporate snapshotting/backup and if someones laptop is stolen it's not the end of the world
[16:27] <TheBadger> me neither except itunes... LOVE ITUNES
[16:28] <w0m> (dropbox is proprietary)
[16:28] <buZz> itunes make a mess
[16:28] <buZz> makes*
[16:28] <nid0> booyaa: A windows file copy utility thats been around for like ever and essentially provides a rsync-type system with a UI
[16:28] <buZz> w0m: so is windows
[16:28] <TheBadger> guess nobody is understanding sarcasm
[16:28] <buZz> ;)
[16:28] <nid0> general awesome utility for copying files on windows
[16:28] <buZz> TheBadger: you forgot the xml tags
[16:28] <booyaa> nid0: i will have a look thanks
[16:29] <buZz> hmm well
[16:29] <buZz> what to do today
[16:29] <TheBadger> porn and whiskey?
[16:29] <buZz> no porn in the hackerspace :)
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[16:30] <buZz> maybe i should tidy up my design and post my raspi case design on thingiverse
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[16:30] <buZz> or hmm
[16:31] <TehDan> Hi all - I tried the new raspbian this morning - but it hangs during boot (when USB devices are detected) on my R-pi. exact same setup works on a friends - can anyone give me any pointers?
[16:31] <TehDan> (mine boots in 640x480, his boots in 1080p if that helps?)
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[16:34] <ReggieUK> might be better off asking that question on #raspbian
[16:34] <booyaa> i think he means the official distro
[16:34] <booyaa> TehDan: is this one one from raspberrypi.org?
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[16:35] <TehDan> booyaa: yes, got it today
[16:36] <booyaa> TehDan re: same setup on a friend's this includes the same usb devices?
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[16:37] <booyaa> TehDan:can you even see the console booting?
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[16:37] * booyaa is assuming you're using hdmi/video out since you mentioned a resolution
[16:37] <TehDan> booyaa: yes - including none, same monitor, psu, sd card + network unplugged - literally everything
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[16:37] <fiddlinmacx> Is there a recommended memory split for openelec on the RPi? I think the instructions use arm128_start.elf. Has anyone had better results with a different split?
[16:37] <TehDan> and yes, hdmi but it gets to the same point with no video and a serial console
[16:39] <XeCrypt> \o/ mpd workin, laggy, but workin :D
[16:39] <Husky> yay mpd
[16:39] <TehDan> fiddlinmacx: depends what you need out of it graphically...
[16:39] <buZz> yay mpd
[16:39] <XeCrypt> mixer index "3" makes the magic heh
[16:39] <booyaa> TehDan: have you got a spare sd card? copy your original image there (assuming you backed up your old image) see if the rpi will boot at all
[16:39] <TehDan> booya: yes I have an old 'official' debian which still boots it up just fine
[16:39] <XeCrypt> erm, mixer index "1" I ment
[16:39] <TehDan> as does raspbmc
[16:40] <zarac> Anyone who's gotten omxpayer working on alarmpi? (or even hello_video) : )
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[16:41] <dirty_d> zarac, yup
[16:41] <dirty_d> whats the problem?
[16:41] <booyaa> TehDan: did you reflash your sd card to the old official one?
[16:41] <zarac> dirty_d: sweet, which one? : )
[16:41] <TehDan> booya: no I have 2 SD cards
[16:41] <dirty_d> zarac, omxplayer
[16:42] <zarac> dirty_d: I get compilation problems with hello_video, and omxplayer needs some libraries not available through pacman ( i think).
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[16:42] <dirty_d> zarac, which libraries?
[16:42] <booyaa> man i wish there was a way to hash checksum an sd.. it would make life so much easier.
[16:42] <dirty_d> booyaa, you can cant you?
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[16:43] <booyaa> actually i wonder if you haven't done the sd resize you could in theory dd it and checksum your image against the downloaded distro
[16:43] <Habbie> only if you haven't booted it yet
[16:43] <zarac> dirty_d: i get gnu/stubs-hard.h, no such file or directory when i try to compile omxplayer
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[16:44] <booyaa> TehDan: no idea dude, if the sd card works on your friends and not on yours might be time to raise an issue on the github page. one sec i'll get it
[16:44] <dirty_d> zarac, hmm, thats weird
[16:44] <booyaa> TehDan: https://github.com/asb/spindle/issues
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[16:44] <zarac> dirty_d: libraries listed in a raspbian how to. i tried looking for similar for arch (hoping it would compile) libpcre3-dev libavfilter-dev libavformat-dev libavcodec-dev libswscale-dev
[16:44] <TehDan> booyaa: thanks I'll take a look
[16:44] <booyaa> i suspect they'll need board info, the elinux page should tell you how to get the info.
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[16:44] <zarac> dirty_d: What did you do? just git clone and make?
[16:45] <booyaa> TehDan: would also suggest you say this is for the new raspian image
[16:45] <dirty_d> zarac, yes, and you can get all those libs by installing ffmpeg i think
[16:45] <zarac> dirty_d: i got ffmpeg installed
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[16:45] <dirty_d> zarac, wait is alarmpi archlinux?
[16:45] <zarac> it works (but is too slow, about 1fps)
[16:45] <dirty_d> thats what i thought you were talking about
[16:45] <zarac> dirty_d: yes :)
[16:46] <zarac> yes, sir. arch linux it is
[16:46] <dirty_d> zarac, can you run make and put the whole output on pastebin?
[16:46] <zarac> got any good resources for alarmpi users? (i'm fairly new and could use a tutorial on this) :)
[16:46] <regulatre> Wow - "Despatch expected within 11 week(s)" - is rsdelivers.com backordered or what?
[16:47] <zarac> dirty_d: roger, 1 minute
[16:47] <booyaa> zarac: arch linux arm wiki is pretty useful
[16:48] <booyaa> zarac: http://archlinuxarm.org/
[16:48] <ReggieUK> regulatre, yeah, farnell is better at 5 weeks (or at least it was yesterday when they announced that multiple purchases can now be ordred)
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[16:48] <ReggieUK> not sure what it'll be like today though
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[16:49] <regulatre> Thanks Reggie
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[16:50] <w0m> I think i'm going to make a build farm of raspi's...
[16:50] <zarac> dirty_d: http://slask.zarac.se/omxplayer-make-output.txt
[16:50] <zarac> booyaa: Thanks! :)
[16:51] <friggle> TehDan: when you say it works on your friend's pi - is this with the same power supply?
[16:52] <friggle> TehDan: and have you tried booting with the usb devices disconnected?
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[16:53] <TehDan> friggle: yes same tv/card/psu + no USBs
[16:54] <zarac> dirty_d: i have stubs-soft.h but not stubs-hard.h. Do you have it? Can you check whichpackage owns it?
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[16:55] <dirty_d> where is it?
[16:55] <zarac> dirty_d: That is: pacman -Qo /usr/include/gnu/stubs-had.h (i think)
[16:55] <zarac> grr. hard*
[16:56] <dirty_d> hmm
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[16:57] <zarac> :)
[16:58] <friggle> TehDan: troubleshooting forum may be the best place to post about this
[16:58] <Gadgetoid> w0m: planning to breed little baby raspis?
[16:58] <dirty_d> zarac, g++ -pipe -mfloat-abi=hard
[16:58] <dirty_d> thats in your paste
[16:59] <dirty_d> it should be -mfloat-abi=softfp
[16:59] <dirty_d> did you change something?
[16:59] <zarac> dirty_d: ah, i'll try that. No i made directly from git source (https://github.com/ttk592/omxplayer)
[16:59] <w0m> Gadgetoid: When I first read about them (~year ago?) My intiial impression was to use strong velcro and wallpaper one of the walls in my office with them. Why? I didn't know at the time (And still not sure) but I'm sure it'll happen...
[17:00] <dirty_d> zarac, thats not the official one, this is https://github.com/huceke/omxplayer
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[17:00] <zarac> dirty_d: I'm not experienced enough to change such things on my own. :)
[17:00] <dirty_d> that must be it, that guy probably made a hard float one for raspbian
[17:00] <zarac> dirty_d: oh, thanks :)
[17:00] <Gadgetoid> w0m: might reduce the heating bill slightly, by providing both a layer of insulation and a source of heat
[17:00] <dirty_d> np
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[17:01] <zarac> dirty_d: Have you tried hello_video or hello_sound?
[17:01] <zarac> I get the rest to work, but not those two.
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[17:01] <w0m> Make sure I do it on an outter facing wall (Corner room; so perfect)
[17:02] <w0m> After i have 10 hanging; i'll have to get an 11th to run a nagios server to monitor them all..)
[17:03] <DaQatz> !w
[17:03] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Wed Jul 18 18:51:00 2012. Temp 80??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 62%, Later 88??F - 66??F. Condition: Chance of Storm.
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[17:04] <booyaa> DaQatz: take cover!
[17:06] <reider59> My Gran and Grandad liverd in Berwick in Farne Road near spittal
[17:06] <reider59> *lived
[17:07] <reider59> Think it was Farne Road, so many years back now and both dead
[17:08] <reider59> Nice view down the Tweed looking at the bridges
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[17:11] <nid0> hm, modmypi cases arrived at last
[17:11] <reider59> you were only talking about those the other day too, glad you got the delivery
[17:12] <nid0> they arent perfectly sized though, sadly :(
[17:12] <buZz> yeah stupid
[17:13] <buZz> and they will have to pay _A LOT_ to make a new mold (which they will not do)
[17:13] <reider59> I did well with my transparant one, it fits really well. Two sides hinge out to let you put the Pi in then clasp shut behind it. Only ?7.50 inc fully built and delivery.
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[17:14] <Kolin> anyone have one of the rs casses?
[17:15] <reider59> then the one Gordon put me on to, a sandwich case with an upper cover screwed on and room to stick a breadboard to it, with access to the GPIO pins to foll with LCD Modules etc....
[17:15] <reider59> *fool
[17:15] <zarac> dirty_d: Did you have xbmc prior to this? Mind sending me your Makefile.include? :)
[17:16] <dirty_d> zarac, nope, never tried it
[17:16] <dirty_d> i think i compiled hello_video fine, what error was it?
[17:16] <zarac> dirty_d: Did you have to edit Makefile.include?
[17:17] <dirty_d> i cant remember
[17:17] <zarac> I get a linker error i think.. it's a bit cryptic to me... "symbol not found". http://slask.zarac.se/make-error.txt
[17:17] <zarac> :)
[17:18] <zarac> ok :)
[17:18] <dirty_d> try adding -pthread to CFLAGS
[17:18] <zarac> cool :)
[17:21] <zarac> dirty_d: Hmm.. do i just add a CFLAGS=-pthread line to my Makefile? (there's no such variable in it now)
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[17:22] <dirty_d> you could try
[17:22] <dirty_d> CFLAGS='-pthread' make
[17:23] <zarac> oh, cool
[17:23] <zarac> no luck :&
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[17:24] <zarac> neither adding the line to Makefile (same error)
[17:24] <zarac> oh well, thanks anyway :)
[17:25] <mm0zct> woop! RasPi JTAG is 4x faster than my parallel port JTAG cable now
[17:26] <mm0zct> sorry for the off topic
[17:26] <zarac> :)
[17:26] <mm0zct> I'll get round to writing it up sometime soon, in case anyone else actually wants to use the Pi as a JTAG master
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[17:31] <zarac> mm0zct: i might. My dad wants openwrt on one of his routers. (vpn'ing in china)
[17:32] <zarac> although i don't really know anything about JTAG :)
[17:33] <mm0zct> it's only useful if you know details about the devices on your scanchain
[17:33] <mm0zct> there's some open source project for JTAGing routers etc which is aware of the usual SOCs they use
[17:33] <mm0zct> I'm using it for an in house system
[17:34] <mm0zct> it should do a successful boundary scan at least though
[17:35] <ReggieUK> openocd
[17:35] <mm0zct> that's the one
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[17:36] <mm0zct> happily running at >2MHz, any higher and the chain I'm talking to can't cope
[17:38] <zarac> :)
[17:40] <mm0zct> I guess it could be a good example for other people wanting to do high speed gpio stuff, the RPi can get to ~20MHz apparently
[17:40] <mm0zct> but only in something like C
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[17:41] <gordonDrogon> Average: 473mS: 21126760/sec
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> That line is from one of my GPIO speed-tests. Essentially it's showing that you can do 21,126,760 writes/sec. so 21MHz.
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> Actually, hanf that, as you need 2 writes to make a pulse :)
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> so 10-11MHz.
[17:42] <booyaa> that how do i put a script into debug mode is it set -x?
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> you could get it a lot faster if you used a macro rather than function calls.
[17:43] <mm0zct> http://codeandlife.com/2012/07/03/benchmarking-raspberry-pi-gpio-speed/
[17:43] <mm0zct> is what I was refering to
[17:43] <techsurvivor> gordonDrogon: only if you are using it as a clock, otherwise you would get 20MHz, as long as you could sample it fast enough on the other side :)
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, -x is a bash flad to make it echo every command as it executes...
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[17:43] <mm0zct> I am using the macros
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[17:44] <friggle> set -x is actually part of POSIX shell as opposed to a bashism
[17:44] <friggle> (I try to avoid bashisms as much as possible)
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> mm0zct, yea, his C code is using directl register twiddling.
[17:44] <Matt> booyaa: what I typically do is just execute the script with "bash -x ./nameofscript.sh", assuming it's a bash script
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> mm0zct, not that slower than what I'm doing really, although I'm timing it in software rather than on a scope...
[17:45] <Matt> if it's an sh script, then do sh -x ./nameofscript.sh
[17:45] <mm0zct> I was timing based on how long it took me to program 512KB of memory in the platform I'm talking to
[17:45] <booyaa> Matt and gordonDrogon ta
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[17:45] <mm0zct> got 2MB/s of address/data bits, ignoring the JTAG state machine changes
[17:46] <mm0zct> Mb/s*
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> my program is essentially:
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> start = millis () ;
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> for (count = 0 ; count < 10000000 ; ++count)
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> digitalWrite (17, 1) ;
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> end = millis () ;
[17:46] <mm0zct> as i said, I'm artificially limiting the speed with delay loops to keep the target scanchain happy
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> nice that the Pi is too fast though :)
[17:47] <mm0zct> holdup times etc
[17:47] <mm0zct> yeah it is
[17:47] <mm0zct> I had problems for a while with signal integrity
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[17:47] <mm0zct> but I seem to have fixed that with various components, I'll detail them when I write it up
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> I don't imagine the PBC tracking has been done that well with regard to high speed switching though, but it's adequate to turn an LED on/off :)
[17:48] <mm0zct> 74HC125 and 100pF caps being the main things
[17:48] <deafanon> reider59: where did you get that ??7.50 case from?
[17:48] <mm0zct> pff, if you saw the wiring on my breadboard you'd be amazed that it runs at 2MHz :p
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> :)
[17:49] <reider59> hang on and I`ll locate the link to the forum
[17:49] <reider59> you order there or I did
[17:49] <gordonDrogon> I think it's pretty amazing though - 30 years ago running a board with a 4MHz clock was bleeding edge, now we run 2MHz signals over breadboards (or faster!)
[17:50] <deafanon> the london hackspace laser cutter is currently broken otherwise I'd cut a case myself on that
[17:50] <mm0zct> let me just imgur the photos
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[17:52] <reider59> Found it, good pic of it inc the 2 side hinge design here too, just leave a post in the forum requesting one. He gives full receipts and I paid via PayPal http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=6520
[17:53] <zarac> dirty_d: Do you have a /opt/xbmc-bcm/buildroot/ directory? (also, sorry if am i bothering you.. ?) :)
[17:53] <reider59> Various prices but top tier price was ?7.50 fulkly built and delivered
[17:53] <reider59> *fully
[17:53] <mm0zct> http://imgur.com/a/egXCT
[17:54] <reider59> This is my sandwich case I also bought. After following a link thankfully supplied by gordon http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-a-p-1070.html
[17:55] <dirty_d> zarac, i dont think so, but im at work so i cant check
[17:55] <dirty_d> i havent installed anything to do with xbmc
[17:56] <deafanon> reider59: great, thanks
[17:56] <reider59> np enjoy
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[17:58] <Davespice> has everyone seen the Pi in the sky post on the front page of raspberrypi.org... that's amazing :)
[17:59] <reider59> is that the drone plane?
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[18:01] <gordonDrogon> hydrogen baloon to edge of space...
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> anyone know the right kernel + config.txt rune to make the ARM in the Pi use the L2 cache?
[18:02] <reider59> ahhh bit tied up with a reinstall of my WiFi adaptor
[18:02] <reider59> thx
[18:03] <zarac> dirty_d: cool. Ok, the default path for variable BUILDROOT is /opt/xbmc-bcm/buildroot. I tried changing it to something that exists but get the same error. I'm assuming it's something it needs. :) Thanks aain for your help. :)
[18:04] <Davespice> they took video footage from it, now this is cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGLB9-LdpYM&feature=youtu.be
[18:05] <Stoob> Out for delivery
[18:05] <Stoob> :DD::D
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[18:06] <passstab> can i use a microSD to SD adapter on my pi?
[18:06] <mm0zct> yes
[18:06] <mm0zct> I am
[18:06] <Davespice> passstab: yeah I have used those and they work
[18:07] <mythos> gordonDrogon, it does not use it at the moment? o.o
[18:07] <passstab> cool, thanks :D
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> mythos, hm. Just noticed a flag in the kernel config to stop the arm using the L2 cache - seems to be off by default, so it means the arm does use the cache, but who knows...
[18:08] <ReggieUK> it always seems slighty nuts to me that no one has thought about keeping the camera up there rather than just waiting for teh balloon to pop
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, how do you stop it going higher?
[18:08] <ReggieUK> no idea, that's what I'm wondering
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[18:08] <reider59> press a button on the side of it ;-)
[18:09] <ReggieUK> what do balloons usually do to maintain height?
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, you can control the bouyancy by letting hydrogen out, but you can't put more in (easilly)
[18:09] <mm0zct> could have a pressure release valve
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[18:09] <gordonDrogon> hot air.
[18:09] <ReggieUK> that's for a hot air balloon :D
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> the issue is also cooling - if it moves to a colder place, then it loses bouancy..
[18:09] <ReggieUK> but yeah, let a little bit of the hydrogen out
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[18:10] <mm0zct> it would be a gentler descent if they released the pressure instead of popping
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> it's not hard to maintain bouyancy underwater - up high, things happen faster..
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> I also suspect there's a distane issue keeping it aloft... it might land in the middle of the atlantic...
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> or russia...
[18:11] <ReggieUK> sure, they already do that, release balloons and see how far they get
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[18:11] <gordonDrogon> way back, I worked with a chap who had the idea of big autonomous baloons over the atlantic to provide an alternative data path to satellite...
[18:11] <ReggieUK> last one I watched, started off somewhere in the USA and ended up making landfall in europe
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, Heh... We did a baloon release on our wedding - the furthest got about 5 miles...
[18:12] <TimRiker> new wheezy seems to enable overscan by default on hdmi. after an apt-get update last night, the display control panel in openbox won't startup. can't find monitor.
[18:12] <ReggieUK> tracked quite a lot of the way via ground stations
[18:12] <mm0zct> attach string to it, which is supported every few meters by another baloon
[18:12] <ReggieUK> and then picked up by stations mid-atlantic
[18:12] <TimRiker> How do I change the display resolution to remove the underscan borders?
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[18:13] <ReggieUK> then of course, once they've managed to maintain the height, it'd be useful if they could get them to stop spinning
[18:13] <mm0zct> disable_overscan=1
[18:13] <mm0zct> in config.txt
[18:13] <mm0zct> in /boot/
[18:13] <TimRiker> ahh! boot args set bcm2708_fb.fbwidth=1824 bcm2708_fb.fbheight=984 now.
[18:13] <TimRiker> perhaps just setting that back to 1920 1080 is what I want.
[18:14] <mm0zct> might want to make sure the overscan is turned off explicitly with that line too
[18:14] <TimRiker> ah. looks like x/y is calculated based on the overscan. ok, trying...
[18:16] <TimRiker> k. can I disable blanking someplace?
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[18:25] <TimRiker> there's still no hardware video acceleration in wheezy with X right? no opengl, no hardware video decode support, etc?
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[18:26] <TimRiker> just hardware vfp support, which is a great start!
[18:29] <TimRiker> mm0zct, disable_overscan was just what I needed. thx!
[18:29] <buZz> OpenMAX will be coming soon, i bet
[18:29] <mm0zct> glad it's sorted :)
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> Hm. well that's slightly sub-optimal.
[18:29] <gordonDrogon> pi crashed on me trying to export a gpio pin...
[18:29] <mm0zct> :/
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> it's locked solid.
[18:30] <mm0zct> unplug and wait a few minutes I guess
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> I'd just applied the gpio interrupt patches to the kernel...
[18:30] <mm0zct> ah
[18:30] <buZz> waiting for interrupt? ;)
[18:30] <mm0zct> maybe it's stuck in an interrupt loop
[18:31] <ReggieUK> cough
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> Hmph.
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[18:32] <gordonDrogon> Yup. tried it again: # echo 17 > /sys/class/gpio/export
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> and instant lock-up.
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> bother.
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> oh well. no interrupt support in this version of wiringPi then.
[18:33] * gordonDrogon mutters. why does it clear the screen at login too.
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[18:36] <gordonDrogon> switch kernels and it's fine. Hm. there's a bug in that patch somewhere, but do I have the time to track it down...
[18:37] <Matt> that might depend on how much coffee you have available
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I notice bootc has applied the patches to the later kernels he's produced. might try to fetch those if I can rememger the git runes )-:
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> *remember
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[18:42] <gordonDrogon> anyone know the git runes to update the kernel from bootc's sources? I must start to use git to I get to know this stuff ...
[18:43] <MrZYX> from an existing git clone, existing clone of his repo or????
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[18:44] <MrZYX> s/git/kernel/
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> existing clone - found them in the archives - git fetch --all ; git checkout 3.2.32
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> s/32/23/
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> bother: error: You have local changes to 'arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/bcm2708_gpio.c'; cannot switch branches.
[18:46] <MrZYX> git stash
[18:46] <MrZYX> git stash pop any time later to restore them
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> stash? will that tell it to ignore my local changes?
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> ah, stash before making changes?
[18:46] <MrZYX> nope
[18:47] <MrZYX> stash is more like a stash for change
[18:47] <MrZYX> s
[18:47] <MrZYX> er, stack
[18:47] <MrZYX> kinda like a soft commit in it's own branch
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[18:48] <MrZYX> git help stash explains it better than me I guess ;)
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> done that, then the checkout which went remarkably quick... lets see..
[18:48] <mm0zct> trimmed the delay and got it up to 3.3MHz :) (re: JTAG earlier)
[18:50] <booyaa> man o2's network is shockingly bad between liverpool street and colchester
[18:50] * booyaa has his three mifi to compare
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[18:53] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, were you on a train?
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> of so, what type?
[18:55] <fakker> booyaa, o2 have been going down hill for years... I remember with my HTC Diamond, i used to get immense speeds, all before the iPhone came out and ruined everything
[18:55] <fakker> Now on Three :D
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[18:57] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: no idea how od i tell? i'm on the 1702 to norwich
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, ah, ok. train then :)
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[18:58] * booyaa should really get mosh running though, woudl alleviate the lagginess of ssh over 3g
[18:58] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: yeah appreciate it gets a bit patch as i move further away from the big smoke ;)
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> some trains (voyagers/super voyagers/pendolinos and probably many others) have metalised foil on the windows - and it's pretty effective at blocking 3G ...
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, not always the case - mobile (as in moving) 3G is a fickle beast.
[18:58] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: pendolinos that's virgin's HS rolling stock right?
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> I spent over a year recently working on a project to put wifi on trains ...
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> yes, they got the pendolinos.
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> they're all similar to the voyagers/super voyagers.
[18:59] <booyaa> should've timed this make i'm doing for node.js
[18:59] <nid0> the only trains i've taken between norwich <> london in the past year or two had wifi onboard anyway
[19:00] <mm0zct> they charge for wifi though
[19:00] <booyaa> nid0: did you see what you started with your talk of a norwich hackspace?
[19:00] <booyaa> right time to pack up ttfn
[19:00] <nid0> you jumping on a train coming this way? :p
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> in urban areas you can be switching base stations 3 or 4 times a minute... and each change takes time and can make it look like poor performance...
[19:00] <booyaa> nid0: nah but a load of us have founnd a thriving google groups on the matter
[19:00] <mm0zct> my phone doen't usually manage to migrate, it just dropps the connection
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.2.23+ #3 PREEMPT Wed Jul 18 17:56:26 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> and it's not locked up when enagling gpio.
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> enabling gpio either.
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> so fresh cup of tea, then I'll hack something together to test it.
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[19:19] <dirty_d> do you have 4G in the uk yet?
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[19:20] <ziltro> Do we have 3G?
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[19:22] <ziltro> I've not heard of 4G in the UK, but 3G coverage is pretty aweful. Major cities only last time I looked.
[19:22] <dirty_d> i just got 4G
[19:22] * mjr hates the G marketspeak
[19:22] <dirty_d> pretty darn fast, i tested 30Mbit/s
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[19:23] <ziltro> I prefer to talk about the actual technology, but I don't remember the correct terms. :)
[19:23] <ziltro> UMTS is '3G', isn't it?
[19:23] <ziltro> We have GPRS, I believe they call that 2G.
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> We have some LTE experiments going here.
[19:24] <mjr> UMTS is one "3G" tech. And dual-carrier UMTS is occasionally referred to as 4G even though some dislike that and contend that only LTE (in more advanced profiles, possibly) is proper 4G, and it's all a bunch of marketing confusion bruhaha
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[19:25] <gordonDrogon> mjr, yes, it's confusing 2, (gprs) 2.5, (edge), 3 (umts) 3.5 (hsdpa), and 4 (lte) - probably...
[19:26] <ziltro> Why can't we just have Fibre To The Telephone?
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> because it needs power )-:
[19:26] <ziltro> That would still be wireless...
[19:26] <friggle> I need to consider getting a data plan...
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> and it costs stupid amounts of money to dig up roads to run fibre...
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> how much do you use, friggle ?
[19:27] <ziltro> Can't it be run overhead instead of/aswell as telephone cables?
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, that would depend on the topology/country... here in the UK, telephone is more underground than pole to house, but it all depends on where you are.
[19:28] <ziltro> And power lines. I'm assuming fibre isn't conductive.
[19:28] <friggle> gordonDrogon: very little :) I'm at the lab or home which both have wifi most of the time. I only just acquired a smartphone and haven't got a SIM for it yet :)
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> friggle, sounds about the same as me then... I use very little...
[19:28] <ziltro> gordonDrogon: Where I am in the UK it is more overhead. :) Although there are a lot of underground cables too.
[19:28] <friggle> pretty handy to have when on the train etc though...assuming it works *sometimes*
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, there are fibre over power in the UK - but it's backhaul...
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> friggle, well the cross country trains have orange enhancers on-board, but three generally has a better data network right now.
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> rural areas tend to have more overground cabling...
[19:29] <ziltro> I thoguth I read about fibre over high voltage lines, that sounds good. The more different routes the better. I bet is is badly managed.
[19:29] <friggle> gordonDrogon: yeah, Three seem tempting. I've been PAYG on Virgin for forever but they don't seem very compelling for data
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, western power / sw telecom is the people who run fibre over the power lines - I used to rent some fibre off them at one point - had several 10Mb lines through devon & cornwall...
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[19:31] <gordonDrogon> friggle, my wife uses three and she's fairly happy with them. I'm on O2 because I'm too lazy to change, but I'm on a legacy contract with a limit of 250MB/month which is more than enough for me. (for ?15)
[19:31] <ziltro> Mmm, I like fibres. I've only used it in a building, which only has ADSL externally.
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> you won't gain much there though... cat5 copper might be cheaper and easier to use...
[19:33] <ziltro> It was for long runs and possibly isolation, I believe.
[19:33] <ziltro> The longest run goes 'twixt two buildings under a road.
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> yea, fibre is ok for that type of application.
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> but always run 2 :)
[19:34] <ziltro> The other place I used it was a very, very short run.
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[19:34] <ziltro> The guy lived up n a hill and had previously had every computer and telephone system blown up by lightening.
[19:35] <ziltro> So the fibre was an isolator.
[19:35] <fiddlinmacx> wireless indeed!
[19:35] <ziltro> The inter-building runs all have 4 pairs or more. They are expecting breakage due to ... road traffic.
[19:35] <jaxdahl> max length for ethernet is 100 meters
[19:35] <jaxdahl> if you follow sepc
[19:35] <jaxdahl> spec
[19:36] <jaxdahl> for a single cable
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[19:36] <ziltro> Mmm, I've read that. I think I also read 80 + 10 + 10 (fixed + two patch cables)
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[19:37] <ziltro> I've also set up a few wireles point-to-point devices, which have been fun.
[19:38] <jaxdahl> it's not a function of cable quality, but it's a timing issue
[19:39] <ziltro> Oh, so if the electrons would only move a bit faster...?
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[19:39] <gordonDrogon> timing, but also signal quality - you can extend ethernet with a simple switch.
[19:39] <NucWin> Has anyone tried pulling the SD card out of a RPi when its root is on the USB?
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, make sure /boot isn't mounted first ...
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[19:40] <friggle> NucWin: shouldn't be a problem. I've rewritten an SD card by booting in to the emergency kernel and using netcat and dd
[19:41] <NucWin> Nice
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[19:41] <NucWin> Thanks
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[19:47] <zarac> dirty_d: concrats on LTE. Where are you located? :)
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[19:48] <dirty_d> new bedford, MA
[19:49] <zarac> cool, is it capped? (Mb/month)
[19:49] <zarac> or day.. or whatever :)
[19:49] <zarac> capped at full speed perhaps?
[19:50] <dirty_d> its a tiered data plan
[19:50] <dirty_d> i have 2GB/month
[19:51] <dirty_d> if there was no cap, id probab;y use my phone as my home internet connection, lol
[19:51] <zarac> ah, seems pointless then :)
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[19:51] <zarac> hehe true
[19:51] <dirty_d> zarac, well for downloads yea
[19:51] <dirty_d> but the web is really snappy
[19:51] <zarac> cool :)
[19:52] <zarac> btw, i found an aur for omxplayer :)
[19:54] <dirty_d> oh yea, i meant to tell you about that
[19:54] <dirty_d> did the official one work though
[19:55] <dirty_d> i dont theink the aur one is maintained well
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[19:56] <zarac> i couldn't manage to compile it. Not enough skill. :)
[19:56] <ekselkiu> Mine arrived! \o/
[19:56] <ekselkiu> After all that wait, they sent it with a 24-hour delivery service. Weird.
[19:57] <zarac> and the aur one doesn't quite work (but i haven't played around with it enough. maybe i've forgotten something)
[19:57] <ekselkiu> And now I haven't had time to get any peripherals for it :-\
[19:57] <zarac> ekselkiu: yay!
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[19:58] <zarac> dirty_d: i found a forum post on compiling omx for rpi. But i'll save it for another day. :)
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[20:00] <longbyte1> hello
[20:00] <longbyte1> again
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[20:01] <zarac> o/
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[20:02] <longbyte1> Good news: I got the pi to work, also configured partitions.
[20:02] <Gadgetoid> longbyte1: Huzzah!
[20:02] <zarac> oh yeah, buddy! :)
[20:03] <longbyte1> Bad news: Mouse fell a few times, clicking is less responsive.
[20:03] <longbyte1> So failure rate right now for the mouse I'm using = 20%.
[20:03] <Gadgetoid> longbyte1: Fell? or was whirled around by its cord and smashed into the wall in frustration?
[20:04] <longbyte1> No, I was crouching and my head/back hit the mouse cord and it fell off the retractable desk slider where I put my keyboard and mouse.
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[20:04] <TimRiker> is there a recommended movie player for the new wheezy?
[20:04] <friggle> TimRiker: omxplayer is included
[20:05] <longbyte1> So I'm here because I want to know how to configure my wireless connection.
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[20:07] <longbyte1> Because the wlan device isn't working.
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[20:07] <longbyte1> How do I configure it?
[20:07] <longbyte1> Also, ethernet is extremely sluggish.
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[20:08] <longbyte1> It takes like 30 seconds to resolve through DNS.
[20:08] <longbyte1> Some browsers and apt-get sessions don't even bother to connect at all.
[20:09] <longbyte1> How can I fix this?
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> have you run rpi-update?
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[20:09] <longbyte1> Rpi-update?
[20:09] <nio> i made wlan work ... but now it complains that some wpa thing does not come up
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> longbyte1, what distro are you using?
[20:09] <longbyte1> raspbian
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> follow the instructions there.
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> although I'm not sure if the new raspbian has it installed already.
[20:10] <longbyte1> Okay, anything else before I cut off ethernet on this computer?
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> that's the first thing - make sure the firmware & kernel are up to date.
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[20:11] <longbyte1> Okay.
[20:11] <longbyte1> Now cutting off, will chat after is done.
[20:11] <zarac> hopefully.. ;)
[20:12] <longbyte1> Hopefully. ;)
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[20:16] <ziltro> I don't actually have an RPi, but I have breifly held one. I'm hoping MPD & ncmpcpp will run on it...
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[20:17] <ziltro> Has anyone here used either on an RPi?
[20:17] <fiddlinmacx> @ziltro: Of course they do. Any Linux distro will have them. I run mpd on Arch myself and it works fine.
[20:17] <ziltro> Well I thought so, but there might be ARM things I don't know about. :)
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[20:18] <TimRiker> is there a ui for omxplayer? /me googles
[20:18] <fiddlinmacx> I'd run a remote mpd client though. There's no point in sitting in front of your TV to config your sound server.
[20:18] <fiddlinmacx> ;-)
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[20:18] <ziltro> Hopefully I'll be able to connect a copule of XLR sockets for audio...
[20:19] <ziltro> Hmm I suppose it depends if audio ground is connected to power ground.
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[20:22] <longbyte1> shoot
[20:22] <longbyte1> can't do headless...
[20:25] <longbyte1> NOW let me try it...
[20:26] <nio> i ordered two mor rpi ... i have still no plan what to do with them ...
[20:27] <ziltro> I've ordered two or three.
[20:27] <fiddlinmacx> Who needs a plan. If I had a dozen I'm sure I'd come up with something.
[20:27] <ziltro> I suspect I was meant to give the cardholder's addres son one, which I didn't, so I expect that one won't show up.
[20:27] <ziltro> I have plans, depend if the RPi can do what I want.
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[20:28] <ziltro> The main thing it is missing for me is a RTC.
[20:28] <ziltro> I'm hoping with a large battery this won't be na issue.
[20:29] <ziltro> One thing I intend to do is use two to play music.
[20:29] <ziltro> Two in case one dies.
[20:30] <ziltro> I already do this with laptops, but two RPis in a flight case with a keyboard and screen would be nice.
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[20:34] <fiddlinmacx> It seems to be able to do a lot. I'm using it as a set-top box with Openelec and my family and I have watched several movies and shows streamed from my NAS with out so much as a glitch. CEC (Simplink on my LG TV) works now so I don't really need the extra remote.
[20:35] <fiddlinmacx> The only problem is, my family likes it so much that I have to wait for my 2nd one to start playing with it again. The 1st one's taken ;-)
[20:35] <ziltro> Haha
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> I suspect many people will end up doing the same ...
[20:35] <ziltro> I was considering video playing. I have a server with DVD/Bluray rips on hard disk.
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[20:36] <fiddlinmacx> My 14-year-old son made me a custom LEGO case which my 10-year-old son decorated with mini-figs and weapons 'for protection'.
[20:36] <ziltro> Heh. :)
[20:37] <ziltro> I wonder if a USB DVB-S2 or DVB-T2 card would work? Not sure if drivers would be an issue?
[20:37] <fiddlinmacx> I haven't tried much Hi-Def stuff. I don't have Blu-Ray so I've just been watching DVDs I've ripped onto my NAS.
[20:38] <ziltro> I waited until I was reasonably sure I could rip Blu-rays on Linux before getting a drive.
[20:38] <fiddlinmacx> If they're supported on Linux you should be able to get them to work fine.
[20:38] <ziltro> It does work.
[20:38] <ziltro> But I end up playing the .m2ts files - no menus.
[20:38] <MrZYX> ziltro: do you now which codecs are used on your dvb-t/s?
[20:39] <ziltro> MrZYX: I believe MPEG2? Not sure about sound.
[20:39] <ziltro> S2/T2 use somethign different.
[20:39] <ziltro> But I haven't actually tried that yet.
[20:39] <MrZYX> mpeg2 won't work, mpeg4/h264 would be fine
[20:40] <ziltro> Could an RPi play lossless Dirac? :)
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[20:40] <ziltro> Ethernet/SD card bandwidth might be an issue there.
[20:40] <tech2077> it seems the pi can't handle large usb input
[20:41] <ziltro> I assume FLAC audio would be okay?
[20:41] <ziltro> Not so much decoding required there.
[20:42] <ziltro> Is MPEG2 an issue because the GPU can't decode it?
[20:42] <ziltro> Or is it that it can but won't because of software patents which don't exist in the UK?
[20:43] <friggle> license issue
[20:44] <ziltro> Mmm that's kind of irksome.
[20:44] <passstab> ziltro, they do exist unfortunately
[20:45] <ziltro> Really? I was told they didn't...
[20:45] <passstab> according to the laws they don't
[20:45] <ziltro> The laws are the normal place for law to be.
[20:45] <passstab> but the judges don't seem to understand that :(
[20:46] <ziltro> They dont' seem to /do/ technology, do they?
[20:46] <ekselkiu> No, no they don't.
[20:47] <ziltro> Not very good when technology is being used to attack us.
[20:50] <ekselkiu> I wonder, is the pi fast enough to do full disk encryption with?
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[20:51] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit slow doing encryption in-general...
[20:51] <ziltro> Could it do double-ROT13 encryption?
[20:52] <MrZYX> with optimizations, probably
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[20:55] <ekselkiu> "A bit slow" sounds manageable :)
[20:55] <ziltro> Wait a minute, DVDs are MPEG2 aren't they?
[20:56] <ekselkiu> ziltro: Yes, although a specific subset of MPEG2.
[20:56] <ziltro> Or is MPEG2 playable in SD?
[20:56] <ekselkiu> SD=?
[20:56] <ziltro> Not HD.
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[20:56] <ziltro> Standard Definition. For some value of standard.
[20:56] <ekselkiu> I cannot understand your question.
[20:56] <Walther> I've heard that a) there's issues with newest Raspbian b) issues will be fixed.
[20:56] <Walther> When is it safe to upgrade?
[20:57] <ekselkiu> Walther: When you have a spare SD card? :)
[20:57] <ekselkiu> ziltro: Oh, can you play (decode) standard definition MPEG2 on the pi?
[20:57] <Walther> that's the issue, my other SD cards are missing (still unable to take photos)
[20:57] <ziltro> ekselkiu: Yes.
[20:58] <ekselkiu> On the CPU? Don't know.
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[20:58] <ziltro> fiddlinmacx: If the RPi GPU can't do MPEG2, how are you playing ripped DVDs?
[20:58] <ziltro> That's my question really. :)
[20:59] <friggle> I've heard of very few issues with the newest raspbian
[20:59] <ziltro> Except perhaps the name.
[20:59] <ekselkiu> :)
[21:00] <ekselkiu> Poor Deborah.
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[21:00] <longbyte1> Okay, there is something wrong.
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[21:02] <longbyte1> Here's the problem.
[21:02] <longbyte1> Failed: Name or service not found.
[21:03] <longbyte1> Why is it doing this!?
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[21:04] <longbyte1> Tried to update firmware, this is what I got off wget. :/
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[21:04] <ziltro> Is that a DNS issue? I forget where I've seen that message.
[21:04] <dirty_d> ziltro, you can reencode dvds as mpeg4
[21:04] <dirty_d> or h264
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[21:05] <ziltro> I suppose the name DebPi might be ... rude.
[21:05] <ziltro> dirty_d: Ah, yes. I tend to rip wth 'viobcopy -m' and leave it as that.
[21:05] <ziltro> I've round that re-encoding is non-simple and usually produces horrible output.
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[21:05] <dirty_d> ziltro, pretty much all of them on thepiratebay etc are already mpeg4
[21:05] <dirty_d> ziltro, its pretty easy on linux with ffmpeg
[21:05] <ziltro> Interesting...
[21:06] <ziltro> Not if you want quality it isn't. ;)
[21:06] <ziltro> Default seems to be to reduce quality as much as possible.
[21:06] <dirty_d> ive done it with no noticable change in quality
[21:06] <waynix> has anyon ic2 and spi running here?
[21:06] <ziltro> Or maybe I'm missing something.
[21:06] <dirty_d> ziltro, -sameq flag
[21:06] <ziltro> Ah maybe.
[21:06] <ziltro> But I've had no need to re-encode so far.
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[21:07] <dirty_d> the only thing ive had to re-encode is DTS to AAC or AC3
[21:07] <dirty_d> my pi cant handle DTS audio
[21:07] <ziltro> I do want to convert all my disc rips to MKV with FLAC for all audio streams and the original for all video streams, eventually. Not sure what to do about subttles.
[21:08] <ziltro> But that's for when hard disks get cheaper.
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[21:08] <longbyte1_> Hello
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[21:08] <longbyte1> okay
[21:08] <longbyte1> Anyone still on?
[21:08] <ziltro> I'm on a chair.
[21:09] <longbyte1> So I'm wondering how to configure wlan and I was told to first update firmware
[21:10] <longbyte1> But wget keeps saying can't resolve hostname
[21:10] <ziltro> Configure DNS first?
[21:10] <longbyte1> And that the service or name is not recognized, something like that.
[21:10] <longbyte1> No, sometimes it resolves.
[21:10] <waynix> are you connected to the inernet with your pi
[21:11] <longbyte1> yes
[21:11] <longbyte1> through ethernet
[21:11] <longbyte1> and an unconfigured wlan through usb
[21:12] <ziltro> Unplug it?
[21:12] <longbyte1> ok
[21:12] <ziltro> Just a rndom thought
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[21:12] <ziltro> Shouldn't have any effect, but if firmware/kernel needs upgrading for WLAN to work it might be causing issues.
[21:14] <longbyte1> ah, thanks!
[21:14] <ziltro> Did that actually work?
[21:14] <longbyte1> Now, let me finish the whole firmware procedure.
[21:14] <longbyte1> Yes
[21:14] <longbyte1> And I had to run it on tty1 for it to work
[21:14] <longbyte1> dunno whyh
[21:14] <longbyte1> but it worked, thanks
[21:14] <ziltro> Wow, didn't think I could be useful here without my own RPi.
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[21:15] <waynix> I'm trying to get i2c to work but i'm stuck using this approach http://www.bootc.net/projects/raspberry-pi-kernel/
[21:16] <waynix> the tutorial says that there should be a file /dev/spidev-0.0 after the installation but I cant stat it
[21:17] <waynix> do I have to activate a module?
[21:17] <longbyte1> So you wanna know how I ordered an rpi early?
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[21:18] <dirty_d> waynix, bootc's kernel has an i2c driver
[21:18] <ziltro> ???To use it from userspace you???ll want to load the i2c-dev module and play with /dev/i2c-0.???? 'modprobe i2c-dev'?
[21:18] <waynix> okay thanks
[21:18] <longbyte1> I just went to the product info and somehow bypassed the whole "register interest" stuff.
[21:19] <ziltro> I never bothered with the whole 'register interest' stuff. They wanted all my details, and they didn't promise anything in return.
[21:20] <ziltro> It didn't say ???Enter your details and we will...??? or anything. Simply ???You're interested? NAME ADDRESS TELEPHONE NUMBER???
[21:20] <ekselkiu> Has any one got the pi to do real-time PSK31 decoding?
[21:21] <longbyte1> Exactly
[21:21] <longbyte1> It's disappointing that NOW they're taking orders.
[21:22] <ziltro> I haven't got one yet, so no. But I have made an interface to the radio using a USB sound card.
[21:22] <ziltro> And two 1:1 audio transformers, and a 'VOX' PTT circuit.
[21:22] <longbyte1> I was able to add to cart an rpi since april.
[21:22] <longbyte1> And that's when I did it.
[21:22] <longbyte1> So, how do I set up wlan exactly?
[21:22] <ekselkiu> ziltro: What radio?
[21:23] <ziltro> ekselkiu: Icom 706, although the interface has a CAIRO connector.
[21:23] <ekselkiu> I see. FT-817ND here.
[21:23] <ekselkiu> I'm not even sure if the pi is fast enough to decode PSK31.
[21:24] <longbyte1> Excuse me, how do I set up wlan?
[21:24] <longbyte1> Is there a config file for that?
[21:24] <longbyte1> (lol same amount of chars)
[21:25] <ziltro> It depends on the wireless network. I've only ever set up unencrypted or WEP encrypted WLAN using the command line, WPA is more complicated.
[21:25] <ekselkiu> "Same amount of chars" - I love it when that happens :)
[21:25] <longbyte1> Oh, well I use WPA2.
[21:25] <ziltro> Ah I do like the look of the FT-817.
[21:25] <longbyte1> (lol same amount of chars here)
[21:25] <ekselkiu> Note that WEP stands for "wired equivalent privacy", which means anyone can splice in and have a listen :D
[21:26] <longbyte1> (see, if I added "here" I would have done a triple combo.)
[21:26] <longbyte1> So, how would I do WPA2?
[21:26] <ziltro> I believe the tool is 'wpasupplicant'
[21:26] <ziltro> Or some crazy name like that.
[21:26] <ziltro> Unless you have a GUI, then perhaps use Network Manager.
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[21:27] <ziltro> There is a CLI tool for Network Manager, which allows you to do everything except adding a new network.
[21:27] <dirty_d> ekselkiu, im almost positive the pi is fast enough to decode PSK31
[21:27] <longbyte1> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-wpa-wpa2-wireless-wifi-networking/
[21:27] <dirty_d> its only 31 bits per second
[21:27] <longbyte1> ./google
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[21:28] <ekselkiu> dirty_d: Yes but it's got to filter and demodulate the audio.
[21:28] <SIFTU> longbyte1: wicd is far easier and has an ncurses interface
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[21:29] <longbyte1> wicd?
[21:29] <longbyte1> okay
[21:29] <longbyte1> is it built-in or through apt-get install wicd?
[21:29] <ekselkiu> There's also netcfg.
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[21:29] <longbyte1> agh the choices...........
[21:30] <ekselkiu> Freedom!!1
[21:30] <ziltro> Chose the best one. :)
[21:30] <ekselkiu> Just don't use pulseaudio. It's terrible
[21:30] <ekselkiu> ... for managing your network connections :D
[21:30] <dirty_d> ekselkiu, how does the timing work?
[21:30] <SIFTU> longbyte1: apt-get
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[21:30] <ekselkiu> dirty_d: Hmm, how does what timing work?
[21:30] <dirty_d> ekselkiu, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bpsk31bits.png
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[21:31] <dirty_d> if you transmit constant 1 bit
[21:31] <dirty_d> itsn it just a constant signal
[21:31] <dirty_d> wouldnt it be hard to tell how many bits long it is
[21:31] <dirty_d> well, i guess not
[21:31] <dirty_d> it is slow as hell
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[21:32] <ekselkiu> dirty_d: Well, if you listen to an idling signal it doesn't sound like one tone.
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[21:32] <Cheery> lets see
[21:32] <Cheery> I have 16GB transcend card
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[21:32] <waynix> ziltro the command after executing modprobe 'echo tmp102 0x48 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/new_device' returns a file not found error message
[21:32] <ekselkiu> dirty_d: "The idle sequence is a continuous sequence of zeros, since no varicode word may contain two adjacent zeros, which results in a continuous reversals of phase as in BPSK."
[21:33] <ekselkiu> dirty_d: Not sure what 01010101 would encode as then :)
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[21:35] <dirty_d> hmm
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[21:35] <dirty_d> ekselkiu, i still think its doable
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[21:36] <magnus_> how do ppl develop the kernel on the rpi? i find it annoying having to physically move the sd card to my host machine, copy the new kernel, and put it back into my rpi. is there a quicker way?
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[21:36] <MrZYX> magnus_: scp ?
[21:37] <ziltro> Can't you mount the FAT partition on the RPi?
[21:37] <MrZYX> + that
[21:37] <dirty_d> ekselkiu, http://linpsk.sourceforge.net/docs/en/index-1.html#ss1.5
[21:37] <magnus_> it's already mounted at /flash, and i yes, i can write to it if i remount it as rw
[21:38] <MrZYX> magnus_: what's your host machine OS?
[21:38] <MrZYX> (laptop/desktop)
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[21:38] <ziltro> I want to complie a kernel on the RPi. I've only done it on x86 so far.
[21:38] <ekselkiu> dirty_d: Interesting. Because a lot of the software (like fldigi) has a Qt GUI and looks rather heavy-weight.
[21:39] <ekselkiu> Oh, this uses Qt too.
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[21:39] <ekselkiu> But the CPU requirements look quite manageable.
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[21:39] <ziltro> I lot of Linux PSK31 software uses OSS, not ALSA.
[21:39] <ziltro> So doesn't actually work.
[21:39] <dirty_d> just install the oss driver
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[21:41] <ekselkiu> Does OSS have a driver for the raspberry pi's output and a USB input?
[21:41] <magnus_> is the sourcecode for start.elf opensource?
[21:41] <MrZYX> nope
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[21:41] <ekselkiu> What's start.elf? The bootloader?
[21:42] <ziltro> Sounds like genetic engineering.
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[21:42] <magnus_> ekselkiu, the 3rd stage bootloader
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[21:45] <dirty_d> ekselkiu, you might have to use PWM to input/output the audio on the 3.5mm jack
[21:45] <ekselkiu> dirty_d: Huh? Doesn't the hardware take care of that?
[21:45] <dirty_d> there isnt any
[21:45] <dirty_d> the analog audio is just filtered pwm
[21:45] <ekselkiu> Why's that a problem?
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[21:46] <dirty_d> it takes a lot more cpu than just semding PCM codes to an audio card
[21:46] <ekselkiu> Are you sure?
[21:46] <dirty_d> about what part
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[21:47] <ekselkiu> Well, what does software send to the device?
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[21:47] <dirty_d> ekselkiu, the alsa driver drives the PWM module i believe
[21:47] <longbyte1> back
[21:47] <longbyte1> I used wicd
[21:47] <dirty_d> thats all the analog audio jack is, the two PWM outputs
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[21:48] <ukscone> acfrazier: you won again i see :)
[21:48] <dirty_d> ekselkiu, hmm, actually im not sure you have any possible way to have audio input which you really need
[21:48] <longbyte1> It says it couldn't find a network connection, and the wireless interface field is blank
[21:48] <acfrazier> ukscone, I'm beginning to think it's truly random
[21:48] <longbyte1> How can I manually configure the connection?
[21:48] <acfrazier> 4th time this year.
[21:48] <dirty_d> ekselkiu, i think you would need an external microcontroller to do this
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[21:49] <ziltro> longbyte1: Does the wlan connection appear in 'ifconfig -a' or 'iwconfig'?
[21:49] <longbyte1> let me see...
[21:50] <ukscone> acfrazier: yeah but i wish it was weighted a bit more towards me winning :)
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[21:50] <ukscone> acfrazier: although i can't complain i have won about 5 times & won a farnell onme too
[21:50] <acfrazier> ukscone, haha
[21:50] <acfrazier> the CUI flash drive is like 64MB
[21:50] <acfrazier> what can even fit on that?
[21:50] <ekselkiu> dirty_d: Won't a USB audio interface work?
[21:51] <ekselkiu> Would that need too much CPU time?
[21:51] <ziltro> Quite a few floppy disks.
[21:51] <ukscone> and got a free cloudflare teeshirt too so done quite well in swag via twitter this year
[21:51] <ukscone> the cui one i got was er 500MB iirc
[21:51] <ziltro> Wow, that's most of a CD!
[21:51] <dirty_d> ekselkiu, yea thats an idea
[21:51] <ukscone> acfrazier: use it as a extra storage for the raspi, maybe your home dir
[21:52] <longbyte1> wlan0's detected, essid's my network, but no connection
[21:52] <ukscone> 64MB is pretty good for msdos/freedos boot usb dribves
[21:52] <longbyte1> How do I enter the wpa2 password?
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[21:53] <ziltro> Setting up WPA is the bit I don't know about.
[21:53] <ziltro> how about 'iwlist scan'?
[21:53] <longbyte1> ok
[21:53] <ziltro> That should show networks, and waay too much other information.
[21:53] <dirty_d> 39 minutes
[21:53] <f8ba208e18_> iwlist scan |grep essid
[21:53] <ziltro> That too.
[21:55] <longbyte1> still loading, no output so far....
[21:55] <f8ba208e18_> shouldnt take that long
[21:55] <f8ba208e18_> are you sure the interface is up and running?
[21:55] <ziltro> Does 'dmesg' show anything exciting?
[21:55] <ziltro> Might want to unplug the device, wait a moment, plug it back in then run dmesg.
[21:55] <longbyte1> let me try that.
[21:56] <ziltro> It might be that the WLAN device needs firmware, and it isn't getting it.
[21:56] <longbyte1> for iwlist, no scan results
[21:56] <longbyte1> might be a problem on my part
[21:56] <longbyte1> but let's keep doing this
[21:56] <ziltro> Is your wireless LAN access point turned on? ;)
[21:57] <longbyte1> whoa console spam
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[21:57] <longbyte1> "eth0: kevent 4 may have been dropped"
[21:57] <ziltro> Yeah dmesg puts a lot of text on screen.
[21:58] <ziltro> eth0 would be the internet NIC wouldn't it?
[21:58] <longbyte1> eth0 would be ethernet
[21:58] <ziltro> internal, even
[21:58] <longbyte1> should I unplug ethernet?
[21:58] <longbyte1> nah
[21:58] <ziltro> I don't think that would help
[21:59] <longbyte1> what else could I do...?
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[21:59] <longbyte1> install wlan drivers? use another usb wlan?
[21:59] <longbyte1> get my rpi closer to the router?
[22:00] <ziltro> Get a longer ethernet cable? ;)
[22:00] <longbyte1> no, that would not work
[22:01] <longbyte1> wlan = wireless, right?
[22:01] <ziltro> Yes, but a longer ethernet cable would mean you don't need wireless. :)
[22:02] <longbyte1> well, I only have 1 eth port and cable in my room, and I can't share it
[22:02] <ziltro> I've only set up a USB wireless LAN card once, and it just worked. For a few months, then it died.
[22:03] <longbyte1> I intend to run rpi headlessly and seamlessly
[22:03] <longbyte1> and wirelessly
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[22:03] <longbyte1> lol
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[22:04] <ziltro> I wonder if anyone has made a cheap 802.1af > mini USB adapter yet
[22:04] <longbyte1> so, what else could I possibly do?
[22:05] <longbyte1> oh yes that's what it's called, adapter!
[22:05] <ziltro> I'm afraid I seem to have run out of ideas, hopefully someone else migth have some.
[22:05] <longbyte1> wireless ADAPTER
[22:05] <longbyte1> %r anyone have ideas ????
[22:05] <ziltro> 802.1af is power over ethernet. Unless I got it wrong.
[22:05] <longbyte1> @r anyone have ideas ????
[22:06] <longbyte1> well..............
[22:06] <longbyte1> anything that applies to me?
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[22:14] <TeeCee> Hi guys!
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[22:17] <magnus_> anyone know how to modify the RPi emergency image to support a serial link terminal? i've managed to rebuild the kernel with the initramfs, just not sure how to add the serial port. my first attempt was adding a ::respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100 to the /etc/inittab file, so the rpi spawns a getty process. but doesn't seem to work. at the moment, i only see the RPi bootup sequence, up to the point where it registers the net
[22:17] <magnus_> work interface eth0
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[22:20] <markllama> "emergency image"?
[22:20] <markllama> what distribution?
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[22:20] <markllama> I do that with ArchLinux all the time.
[22:21] <nid0> raspbian takes a lot longer to rebuild a kernel on-device than squeeze :<
[22:21] <ekselkiu> Bigger kernel config?
[22:21] <markllama> I edit the cmdline.txt and make sure that /dev/ttyS0 (or /dev/ttyACM0?) is in there and remove /dev/tty0
[22:21] <nid0> doesnt seem significantly larger
[22:22] <markllama> ttyAMA0
[22:22] <markllama> ?
[22:22] <magnus_> markllama, rpi provides a number of kernels via their github "firmware" repository. they provide a standard kernel (Which of course wont run without a rootfs), and also a kernel which has an embedded emergency rootfs (basically a minimal busybox with shell). that's what i refer to when i say emergency image. this is not a distribution per se, it's more like a kernel with a shell
[22:23] <markllama> ahh ok
[22:24] <markllama> in most linux your boot cmdline args of console=ttyS0,115200,8n1 would have been my guess
[22:24] <magnus_> yeah, i have something like that. and the kernel bootup is printed to the serial port. my problem starts when the kernel hands over serial control to userspace, thats when it goes quiet
[22:25] <magnus_> so my guess is that something is not correctly configured in the busybox image for serial access. but thats just my guess. was hoping someone had tried this
[22:25] <markllama> does it actually start a shell of some kind?
[22:25] <markllama> ahh
[22:26] <magnus_> yes, it does start a shell
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[22:26] <magnus_> (but i can't reach it, nor see it)
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[22:53] <TeeCee> I'm running Raspbian RC3 on my Pi... Does anyone know if there is any reason for installing the new official image? Is there any more seamless way to upgrade?
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[22:56] <reider59> I`d install it, it`s the official and recommended ditro and release.
[22:56] <reider59> *distro
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[22:56] <reider59> I believe the start config had to be added manually in the past, it`s included in this release
[22:57] <reider59> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
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[23:01] <TeeCee> Aah... :-) Working night shift.. :-D
[23:02] <ccssnet> only good if always night shift ^ fucks with sleep paterns
[23:04] <TeeCee> hehe... I'm just working night shift appox. each 6. week. And when I'm working, it just 2-3 nights in a row.. :/
[23:04] <TeeCee> The worst kind of night shift
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[23:15] <Cheery> Hexxeh: you were working on gpu accelerated web browser
[23:15] <Cheery> Hexxeh: how's it doing?
[23:15] <Hexxeh> i still am
[23:15] <Cheery> is it working already?
[23:16] <Hexxeh> no
[23:16] <mm0zct> trying to write up my JTAG stuff, realising I suck at writing coherently
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[23:16] <Cheery> just noticed: hw float accelerated midori can run canvas apps
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[23:18] <Cheery> Hexxeh: do you have some TODOlist on slow things?
[23:18] <Hexxeh> getting it working without X
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[23:18] <Cheery> why is that important?
[23:18] <Hexxeh> there's some crap where it tries to detect what gles2 extensions we have
[23:18] <Hexxeh> and it's bailing out thinking we don't have the right extensions supported
[23:18] <Cheery> hmm..
[23:19] <Cheery> chrome-desktop might be awesome!
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[23:21] <TeeCee> Rippin' of ChromeOS, are we? :p
[23:22] <Hexxeh> um, not quite.
[23:22] <TeeCee> What browser are you working on?
[23:22] <Hexxeh> Chromium
[23:23] <TeeCee> Cool
[23:23] <Hexxeh> more specifically the Chromium OS version of Chromium
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[23:23] <Hexxeh> well, actually what i'm building at the moment is aura_demo
[23:23] <TeeCee> Oh, is there a fork for Chromium OS?
[23:23] <Hexxeh> because it's a nice simple test that doesn't take very long to compile
[23:23] <Hexxeh> no it's the same codebase just configured differently
[23:23] <TeeCee> aah
[23:24] <Hexxeh> aura_demo is a nice fast way of testing what i'm working on (gl_rpi_buffer/gl_rpi_surface)
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[23:25] <RaYmAn> Hexxeh: hey
[23:27] <Hexxeh> sup
[23:27] <magnus_> has anyone tried building a kernel using the "emergency" config, and noticed that the UART isn't working? i'm seeing warnings like "Warning: unable to open an initial console." in my kernel output, a few seconds before the kernel goes quiet. I believe i'm missing /dev/console, which isn't present in the RPi target_fs repo. anyone had issues with this?
[23:28] <[SLB]> hm has anyone ordered stuff from modmypi in two times and have made them part of the same order?
[23:29] <[SLB]> say i completed the order some time ago and paid already, the order hasn't been processed yet and i would like to add more stuff
[23:30] <reider59> Could have been awaiting stock, unless I misunderstood what you said
[23:30] <magnus_> i think he's asking if someone ever tried merging two orders into one at some store called modmypi
[23:30] <[SLB]> i mean, i feel if i proceed to add stuff i get actually a second order, not merged with the previous one
[23:31] <[SLB]> yeap
[23:31] <[SLB]> was wondering whether it could be possible
[23:32] <magnus_> you should probably contact the store?
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[23:32] <reider59> Depends at what point they show the delivery costs, but I agree, contact them
[23:32] <[SLB]> yes i did but it's midnight, while waiting for it i thought it could be worth to ask here as well eheh
[23:32] <[SLB]> it says pending
[23:33] <[SLB]> hopefully they let me do that, we'll see tomorrow i guess
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[23:37] <Cheery> Hexxeh: do you have some instructions if you'd like some help?
[23:37] <Hexxeh> not something you can really write instructions for
[23:38] <Cheery> well.. what to do first? is there repos or anything to dl?
[23:38] <Cheery> where to dl them to?
[23:38] <Hexxeh> checkout the chromium source tree
[23:38] <Hexxeh> build the chromeos version
[23:38] <Cheery> console commands for that?
[23:38] <Hexxeh> add gl_xyz_surface and gl_xyz_context
[23:38] <Hexxeh> read the wiki
[23:38] <Hexxeh> it's all documented
[23:38] <Cheery> chromium wiki?
[23:38] <Hexxeh> yes
[23:40] <Cheery> does it compile fast-enough on raspi, or do I have to setup cross-compile env?
[23:40] <Hexxeh> lol
[23:40] <Hexxeh> you need cross compile
[23:40] <Hexxeh> you can't build on the raspi at all
[23:40] <Hexxeh> nowhere near enough memory
[23:40] <Hexxeh> you'll need a 64-bit linux machine with 4GB+ RAM too
[23:41] <plugwash> debian builds it on an IMX board with 1GB of ram.........
[23:41] <plugwash> of course it takes a bloody long time
[23:41] <Hexxeh> plugwash: and lots of swap
[23:41] <reider59> Nice going on the Raspbian Plug, thx
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[23:42] <Cheery> Hexxeh: and you don't have anything prebuilt yet?
[23:43] <ziltro> Ah I was about to suggest mounting swap on a RPi over NFS on to a machine's tmpfs
[23:43] <Hexxeh> no...
[23:43] <ziltro> I wonder if that would work
[23:44] <Cheery> I probably should put reverse ssh from my home computer, so that I could cross-compile from here
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[23:45] <Cheery> getting to sleep. -_-
[23:45] <Cheery> probably have to solve other stuff on other project so I won't bother looking into this
[23:46] <Cheery> raspi got quite lot faster when I installed raspbian
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[23:57] <reider59> <<< Got this channel on here and 4 in a row on VNC on the other monitor. Much better now, just wish the counters would match the speed increase in Raspbian lol
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