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IRC Log for 2012-07-19

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[0:14] <Mike632T> OK I've got my Pi communicating with an MCP23017 expander using Python with the python-smbus module but I was wondering how to do the same thing from C..?
[0:16] <mm0zct> GPIO?
[0:16] <mm0zct> no sorry
[0:16] <mm0zct> misread
[0:16] <mm0zct> perhaps..
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[0:17] <mm0zct> how do you talk to it in python?
[0:18] <mm0zct> I've only done gpio stuff in C/C++
[0:18] <Stoob> apparently the python-smbus module lets you do it
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[0:21] <Mike632T> Ah http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/i2c/dev-interface looks interesting
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[0:28] <mlepage> I forget, in Raspbian, how do I change my keyboard settings from UK back to normal?
[0:29] <ziltro> define normal?
[0:29] <Stoob> US probably.
[0:29] <ziltro> That's not normal. ;)
[0:29] <mlepage> Don't want pound symbol, want hash mark. US sure. (Though I am not in US)
[0:29] <Stoob> does anyone have a link to the most recent newegg sale ad
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[0:30] <ziltro> 'loadkeys' I believe is the command.
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[0:30] <mm0zct> but the # is next to enter
[0:31] <mm0zct> it's a much more sensible place
[0:31] <mm0zct> right with ~
[0:31] <mm0zct> :p
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[0:31] <ziltro> I was about to try sorting out my keymap on here actually, although here is x86 Arch.
[0:32] <ziltro> Console. I don't seem to have AltGr keys.
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[0:41] <wry> mlepage: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/KEYMAP
[0:41] <wry> (if its arch based, dunno about others)
[0:42] <mlepage> Raspian is debian based I believe
[0:42] <wry> Depends on which one.
[0:42] <wry> It can be Arch as well.
[0:43] <TeeCee> mlepage: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" might help?
[0:43] <TeeCee> wry: Is there a Arch-based Raspbian too?
[0:43] <wry> yes.
[0:44] <chris_99> do all wifi usb devices need a usb hub?
[0:44] <chris_99> at the moment the driver seems to be loaded but no network interface is created
[0:44] <chris_99> i'm wondering if that's a symtom of lack of hub
[0:44] <ziltro> chris_99: Does it require firmware?
[0:45] <chris_99> yeah i _think_ i've installed that
[0:45] <wry> TeeCee: Go to "downloads" and scroll down to Arch.
[0:45] <ziltro> dmesg usually shows firmware loading progress IIRC
[0:45] <Mike632T> Tip to be able to access the /dev/I2C devices as an ordinary user add that user to the i2c group no more playing with LEDs as root...
[0:45] <mlepage> OK thanks guys. Right now though my biggest KB problem is huge lag and dropped keys.
[0:46] <chris_99> it doesn't seem to mention anything about firmware in my dmesg unfourtunately
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[0:46] <ziltro> chris_99: How about 'ifconfig -a'?
[0:46] <mlepage> I have 1A wall wart and powered USB hub, still huge keybbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboard issues (like this).
[0:46] <chris_99> it doesn't show up in there ziltro
[0:46] <Syliss> cool, rpi is on twit
[0:46] <ziltro> Ah ok. I don't know then. :)
[0:46] <chris_99> np
[0:47] <ziltro> I've killed 100% of my USB Wireless LAN devices.
[0:47] <ziltro> And when it died I bought a long cable.
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[0:47] <chris_99> heh
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[0:48] <mlepage> Is the GLESv2 stuff in /opt/vc the correct stuff to link to for hardware accelerated graphics (on RPi)?
[0:48] <plugwash> yeah
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[0:50] <mlepage> OK. And what other lib must I link in? EGL or something? I am using SDL 1.2 (via apt-get install libsdl-dev). It's linking to GLESv2 but complaining about a few undefined glX functions. But I don't want to run in unaccelerated X.
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[0:54] <ziltro> Ah yes, I was probing the ISDN line at work.
[0:54] <ziltro> It seems to have three states, positive, negative and zero. It was either +- 100mV or +- 700mV, depending what was plugged in.
[0:55] <ziltro> Maybe I didn't measure it correctly.
[0:55] <ziltro> I was wondering if it would be possible for a RPi to talk to this somehow
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[0:56] <ziltro> A couple of opto-isolators back to back should detect the three states, the output of each connected to a GPIO pin.
[0:56] <ziltro> Not quite sure the best way to generate the + and - voltages.
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[1:00] <ebswift> what's the default raspbian root password? i tried raspbian
[1:01] <mlepage> try raspberry
[1:02] <ebswift> no good
[1:02] <ebswift> something went funny with passwords... after installing gnome-network-manager i couldn't login with the pi user anymore
[1:02] <ebswift> i managed to login as root (no password asked) so i could change the pi password
[1:03] <ebswift> actually, i'll just try that again, see if it'll let me change it for root
[1:04] <ziltro> If you can't work it out you could put the SD card in another machine and edit /etc/shadow
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[1:05] <ebswift> well it let me change the root pwd after logging in as root (using no password)
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[1:05] <ebswift> i'll reboot as pi and see if i can su again
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[1:07] <mlepage> Has anyone done a lot with SDL on RPi? I want to get it running with GLESv2.
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[1:10] <ebswift> starting root terminal in raspbian doesn't actually do anything :/
[1:10] <ebswift> initially it had a message about the application being started without being asked for a password
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[1:15] <AnAvgNerd> Evening all. I just received my rpis and have a question about setting up the image so that ssh comes up on the initial boot; How? I'm using the recommended Weezy image. I don't have access to a compatible monitor currently, which is why this is an issue.
[1:20] <friggle> AnAvgNerd: it is enabled by default
[1:20] <AnAvgNerd> friggle: oh, really? I guess I was operating on old info
[1:20] <AnAvgNerd> I'll give it a go then. Thanks!
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[1:21] <jondeaux> Question: I have a server running on my pi, development server running at localhost:8000. According to netstat localhost:8000 is listening, but I cannot connect. Any ideas
[1:21] <jondeaux> Django development server*
[1:21] <izibi> is there any lightweight network monitoring tool that you can recommend for running on a rpi?
[1:21] <mlepage> where is rpi-update?
[1:21] <friggle> AnAvgNerd: it will take a little longer than usual to start after booting the first time, because the ssh host keys need to be generated
[1:25] <jondeaux> anyone?
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[1:30] <ziltro> jondeaux: Are you trying to connect from and to localhost? Is it IPv4 or IPv6?
[1:33] <jondeaux> ziltro: Yes. How can I tell if IPv4 or IPv6?
[1:34] <ziltro> jondeaux: netstat should say tcp or tcp6
[1:34] <ziltro> you might want to try 127.0.0.1 just in case
[1:34] <jondeaux> tcp
[1:34] <ziltro> That's IPv4
[1:35] <jondeaux> I can ping localhost AND 127.0.0.1. But I cannot ping :8000
[1:35] <ziltro> No, you can't ping a port.
[1:35] <jondeaux> I can't connect in a browser either
[1:36] <izibi> jondeaux: can you do curl http://127.0.0.1:8000/ ?
[1:37] <ziltro> Presumably it shows up in 'netstat -lt | grep 8000'?
[1:37] <izibi> jondeaux: just to be sure: are you running the browser on the rpi?
[1:37] <jondeaux> yes
[1:38] <ziltro> It is unlikely to be a firewall, but it could be I suppose
[1:38] <jondeaux> izibi: I can curl http://127.0.0.1:8000/
[1:39] <jondeaux> ziltro: it shows up on netstat
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[1:39] <izibi> jondeaux: but you can't access the same url from a browser? that's strange
[1:41] <Tomtiger11> ReggieUK: In the topic, change registered to identified
[1:42] <jondeaux> i'm using a vnc server to use midori on the pi. It says cannot connect to destination
[1:42] <jondeaux> would vnc have anything to do with it?
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[1:44] <ReggieUK> thanks
[1:45] <Tomtiger11> Np
[1:46] <ziltro> Can people read the topic if they aren't already in here?
[1:47] <IT_Sean> Yes
[1:47] <ziltro> I got an error from the server when I tried to join: #raspberrypi: Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
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[1:47] <IT_Sean> Aye, you need to be reg'd w/ nickserv to join the channel.
[1:47] <ziltro> Ah ok. I thought it was often private.
[1:48] <IT_Sean> Thetopic shows up in the master channel list
[1:48] <IT_Sean> and, i believe, if you do a /chanserv info on the channel. But don't quote me on that one
[1:50] <Tomtiger11> IT_Sean: And /list (again, dont quote me on it)
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[2:04] <jondeaux> So.... still no idea why I can't connect to localhost in a browser, but its visible everywhere else? Just a last check before I log off
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[2:06] <AnAvgNerd> friggle: Everything worked out well. Thanks for the help and info.
[2:07] <AnAvgNerd> exit
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[2:17] <ziltro> jondeaux: Browser configured to use a proxy/SOCKS server?
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[2:25] <jondeaux> no, im i should?
[2:25] <jondeaux> assuming i should
[2:26] <TeeCee> I guess not
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[3:08] <zgreg> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1986127174/designing-an-affordable-and-beautiful-raspberry-pi
[3:08] <zgreg> heh, yeah, this was a silly idea :)
[3:09] <zgreg> fan mount, wtf
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[3:12] <plugwash> what really got me about it was that he was looking for all this cash upfront to mass-produce a case
[3:13] <plugwash> yet the prices he was proposing were barely less than existing non mass-produced cases
[3:16] <yehnan> plugwash: excuse me, I just logged in. what case?
[3:17] <zgreg> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15957408/raspicase1a.jpg
[3:17] <zgreg> what is it with heatsinks? I've seen a lot of people do that
[3:17] <ReggieUK> cos heat = wrong apparently
[3:17] <zgreg> wasn't it stated about a million times that this isn't necessary?
[3:17] <ReggieUK> if it's not frosty it must be faulty
[3:18] <ReggieUK> it was
[3:18] <ReggieUK> but who would believe experts?
[3:18] <ReggieUK> what's the point ;0
[3:18] <ReggieUK> ;)
[3:18] <plugwash> yehnan, http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1986127174/designing-an-affordable-and-beautiful-raspberry-pi
[3:18] <ReggieUK> can't remember the last time I saw a heatsink in a mobile phone
[3:18] <plugwash> and there was a corresponding forum thread which I don't have the URL for to hand
[3:19] <zgreg> moreover, these SoCs are typically specified to be quite resilient to high temperatures
[3:20] <ReggieUK> an am incredibly surprised that someone hasn't tried to strap a peltier to one yet
[3:20] <ReggieUK> and I am*
[3:21] <ReggieUK> to see if they could oc one to 4Ghz
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[3:22] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[3:22] <ReggieUK> hi SSilver2k2
[3:22] <SSilver2k2> howdy ReggieUK
[3:23] <ReggieUK> how's it going?
[3:23] <SSilver2k2> its been a week???.
[3:23] <SSilver2k2> lol
[3:23] <SSilver2k2> only wednesday and im exhausted.
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[3:24] <SSilver2k2> how are you doing
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[3:50] <MrCurious_> i thought i read earlier today that the new raspian debian image was not safe to update the firmware on due to a regression issue with the firmware updater. anyone know if that has been resolved?
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[3:51] <DaQatz> !channel #raspbian
[3:51] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspbian - Hard float Debian chat room.
[3:51] <MrCurious_> ty
[4:01] <mlepage> after running sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration must I reboot to see changes?
[4:02] <mlepage> Ah, nvm, I tried again and it worked this time, not sure why it did not the first time.
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[4:26] <w0m> Any votes on what best distro to run on raspi for headless operation?
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[4:35] <ziltro> I saw some heatsinks on the high altitude RPi, but they didn't put one on the SoC.
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[4:36] <bryankemp> Good evening / morning.
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[4:37] <bryankemp> anyone know if the cpu supports Memory Mapped PCM devices?
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[4:40] <bryankemp> ok, not everyone at once...
[4:44] <TeeCee> bryankemp: Too much response for ya'?
[4:44] <bryankemp> I was worried I was going to have to right some filters to handle the logging.
[4:45] <TeeCee> DHoS... Distributed Hilight of Death...
[4:46] <bryankemp> nice. Just trying to solve a bizzaro issue.
[4:50] <bryankemp> I'm trying to figure out of the bcm2708 is capable of mmpcm over usb.
[4:50] <TeeCee> Yes you are
[4:50] <TeeCee> I have no idea, sorry...
[4:51] <bryankemp> that's ok. I am just gonna rebuild the kernel anyway and try it.
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[4:58] <bryankemp> cross your fingers.
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[5:00] <TeeCee> x
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[5:11] <w0m> first boot on my rapsi a success.. :D (went cheap; rasbian wheezy for first)
[5:12] <TeeCee> \o/
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[5:13] <bryankemp> raspbian is good. I am working on a configuration tool that should make it even easier! Congrats to you.
[5:13] <ziltro> So... What is a hard float?
[5:13] <ziltro> Opposite to an easy float?
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[5:13] <TeeCee> opposite of soft float
[5:13] <bryankemp> opposiute of soft float.
[5:13] <ziltro> Right. That explains it totally.
[5:14] <TeeCee> Exactly.
[5:14] <bryankemp> the ARM architecture is a RISC (Reduced Instruction Set) cpu.
[5:14] <ziltro> I prefer my floats so hard you can poke someone with them.
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[5:15] <bryankemp> the cpu doesnt necessarily have instructions to handle floating point operations. so it has been handle via a 'soft
[5:15] <ziltro> Yes, I've heard of RISC. They were the future and going to take over... When I was at school... Seems it might be starting to happen. :)
[5:15] <bryankemp> 'ware emulation.
[5:15] <ziltro> Oh, FPU?
[5:15] <ziltro> Sort of. Not an 80387 thoug.
[5:15] <ziltro> So it is actually hardware float?
[5:15] <bryankemp> well the Pi and some others have a dedicated piece of hardware to the the 'float' operations
[5:16] <ziltro> Ok, that makes sense.
[5:16] <ziltro> Couldn't work out what hard meant.
[5:17] <bryankemp> I don't know the specific details, but I gathered that when they built the 'wheezy' based image originally, time was a factor so the hardfloat changes we not implemented.
[5:17] <ziltro> Seems the description could perhaps use four extra letters to make it obvious. :)
[5:18] <ziltro> I thought Linux required a hardware FPU, or maybe that was when I was messing about with it on a 486.
[5:18] <bryankemp> I have not tested to see what the actual speed increases are, I assume someone else has.
[5:19] <ziltro> I guess it depends if you're using floating point maths or not. :)
[5:19] <bryankemp> well, in the kernel config there are options to use a FP emulator.
[5:19] <NucWin> there is blog post linked on webbie for performance stats between hf and sf
[5:19] <ziltro> Ah okay, that's probably "new". As in since 486es because non-popular.
[5:20] <NucWin> i have a 486 DX2 floating around somewhere
[5:20] <NucWin> just the cpu not a whole computer
[5:20] <ziltro> I believe I may have one or more in a pile.
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[5:22] <ziltro> Hmm. I should sleep. But I want to stay up and see when they turn the water back on.
[5:23] <hotwings> plug your sink, put your watch in it, turn the faucet on full. when you wake up, whatever time your watch is stopped at is around the time the water came on
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[5:23] <ziltro> That might work, except my watch is waterproof. And not in this house.
[5:24] <ziltro> I'll probably hear the toilet fill up.
[5:24] <hotwings> you could always just crack the face on your watch and make it non-waterproof
[5:24] <hotwings> but you'd have to go get it first
[5:24] <ziltro> It didn't make the right noises, which is why I thought there might be no water.
[5:25] <ziltro> I would, which would take a while.
[5:25] <ziltro> And mean driving past the currently-being-fixed leak.
[5:25] <ziltro> Or at least I assume that the water vans with flashing lights in the road next to a load of leaking water and the lack of water here are related.
[5:26] <hotwings> you could always call the water company and request they dont turn it on until youve picked up your watch and call them back :D
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[5:26] <ziltro> If I had a RPi I could dangle leads in the sink and monitor current... somehow.
[5:27] <ziltro> Might need a whole transistor as an amplifier though. Maybe a resistor or two too
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[5:35] <w0m> setting up lamp stack on my raspi now.. :D
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[5:38] <JMichaelX> is raspian seeming considerably better performance-wise?
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[5:50] <DaQatz> JMichaelX: Yes, except for compiling with gcc.
[5:50] <DaQatz> Which is oddly slower.
[5:52] <JMichaelX> DaQatz: i would think a person might want to look into cross-compiling on a different machine
[5:52] <DaQatz> Some may
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[6:22] <jondeaux_> I don't know if anyone who attempted to help with my localhost issue is still around, but I thought I'd let you guys know I solved the problem
[6:22] <jondeaux_> thanks guys
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[7:22] <Stoob> hmmm
[7:25] <Syliss> oi
[7:25] <Stoob> any good ramsinks for the SoC?
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[7:34] <kobzar> regards
[7:34] <kobzar> someone connect this device to RPI http://www.ebay.com/itm/160696147452?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[7:38] <Syliss> nice
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[7:39] <Stoob> if only it was a touchscreenb
[7:40] <Mr_Sheesh> Can add that on as a top layer tho
[7:40] <kobzar> this is not touchscreen but coast only 19$ and i make by touch+usb module alone
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[7:44] <cmug> http://dx.com/p/4-3-lcd-monitor-for-visual-reversing-vehicles-reverse-camera-ntsc-pal-73626?item=1 4.3", free shipping
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[7:46] <cmug> http://dx.com/p/3-5-tft-lcd-monitor-visual-reversing-vehicles-reverse-camera-ntsc-pal-dc8-15v-49796?item=45 looks like the same item as yours kobzar
[7:46] <rm> https://dx.com/s/vehicle+LCD
[7:46] <rm> there's a lot of them
[7:46] <rm> some with higher res
[7:46] <rm> some cheaper
[7:46] <cmug> yep
[7:47] <cmug> none with HDMI unfortunately :-(
[7:51] <kobzar> cmug your variant is better?
[7:52] <cmug> kobzar: feels cheaper at least
[7:52] <cmug> composite is never good :-)
[7:52] <cmug> http://dx.com/p/4-3-tft-lcd-monitor-for-car-vehicle-960-x-468-dc-12v-116245?item=3 I ordered this, just to make sure I have a reverse camera when I need it
[7:53] <cmug> maybe I can easily hook it up to the rpi too and the quality won't be too bad
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[7:54] <booyaa> ming
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[7:56] <coldguy> it'd be cool to have a basic interpreter that could be directly loaded by the firmware
[7:56] <coldguy> wrong window but he
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[8:01] * gordonDrogon waves
[8:01] <gordonDrogon> coldguy, I have a basic interpreter that can be booted on the Pi in about 5 seconds...
[8:02] <booyaa> lol
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[8:03] <coldguy> without an intervening kernel?
[8:03] <gordonDrogon> sadly no.
[8:04] <gordonDrogon> even the old bbc basic needs risc os to boot.
[8:05] <coldguy> the computers they got in the uk sound much cooler than the ones we had in illinois when i was a kid :/
[8:05] <coldguy> my ti-99/4a and my school's fleet of apple ][s booted basic from rom
[8:06] <coldguy> risc os was a proper os and everything, we had to go see if the teacher could find a prodos floppy if we wanted something like that
[8:08] <coldguy> also, re: wikipedia on risc os: "Acorn officially halted work on the OS in January 1999, renaming themselves Element 14"
[8:08] <coldguy> is that the same element 14 i bought my pi from?
[8:08] <kobzar> someone install Android on RPI ?
[8:09] <gordonDrogon> coldguy, no - same name, different people.
[8:09] <gordonDrogon> We had Apple II's in the UK too.
[8:09] <gordonDrogon> and risc os never realyl took off in schools - it was the BBC Micro - a few years before risc os came out.
[8:10] <gordonDrogon> by the time risc os was live and running there was competition from the IBM PC and in some schools the Mac
[8:10] <gordonDrogon> the PC's eventually won )-:
[8:11] <coldguy> yeah, we went apple ][ -> ibm ps/2 -> cheapest pc clones they could find running win95
[8:11] <cmug> http://www.ebay.com/itm/samsung-3-5-inch-lms350gf20-002-complete-LCD-display-touch-screen-panel-/221004703174?pt=GPS_Screen_Protectors&hash=item3374e825c6#ht_1973wt_907
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[8:15] <gordonDrogon> the Apple II was expensive in the UK, but I was at school in '78 when it came out and my school bought them - and it sort of led the way in the region for other schools until the BBC Micro 2-3 years later.
[8:15] <JMichaelX> cmug: do you have this, or are you just thinking about it?
[8:15] <jamis> Any hints as to what's starting raspi-config on boot? I'm running headless and can't get it to stop opening on boot...
[8:15] <cmug> JMichaelX: No I was just pasting it for kobzar, he is looking for one
[8:16] <JMichaelX> ahh
[8:16] <cmug> I want a better resolution for mine
[8:18] <gordonDrogon> jamis, look in /etc/rc.local
[8:18] <friggle> jamis: if you run raspi-config over ssh and select "finish" it will stop itself from starting at first boot
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[8:19] <jamis> gordonDrogon: only an ip printf in there...
[8:19] <jamis> friggle: I tried that :( let me try it again...
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[8:21] <jamis> friggle: ahh! That worked... I guess rebooting is the key... not shutdown... derp. Thank you!
[8:22] <friggle> jamis: no problem...though shutdown followed by reboot should work
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[8:22] <jamis> yeah.. it didn't seem to. Oh well :)
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[8:22] <friggle> for the record raspi-config is started throug ha combination of automatic login in /etc/inittab and a shell script in /etc/profile.d
[8:24] <jamis> alright cool. I'll take a look
[8:25] <friggle> though it will now have been removed :)
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[8:26] <johntramp> is there an IP address archlinux pi defaults to when there is no DHCP?
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[8:37] <kobzar> bad
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[9:18] <jzu> is it possible to remove policykit and consolekit on a headless machine?
[9:20] <jzu> it is accessed only via ssh
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[9:23] <jzu> also, I noticed they are not launched by init scripts
[9:23] <jzu> anybody knows how to simply disable them instead of unistalling the packages?
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[9:24] <rm> jzu, should be okay to remove
[9:25] <jzu> thoght so, but since the machine is remote, I'd like to be really really sure before rebooting :-)
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[9:45] <jzu> rebooting works
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[9:45] <jzu> phew
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[9:46] <jzu> now, make everything read-only :-)
[9:48] <booyaa> anyone using the new debian/raspian officla distro?
[9:48] <nid0> <
[9:48] <booyaa> i know we're being told not to run rpi-update, but is apt-get update && apt-get upgrade-dist okay?
[9:49] <nid0> good question - afaik the original wheezy image had been scripted to run a firmware update on dist-upgrade
[9:49] <nid0> not sure if thats still the case
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[9:49] <booyaa> heh i'll do it over the weekend when i've taken a backup
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[9:52] <nid0> looks like you should be okay
[9:55] <booyaa> sweet
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[9:58] <cmug> booyaa: I am running it, uptime 15h now
[9:58] <cmug> ran dist-upgrade yesterday
[9:58] <booyaa> cheers
[9:58] <cmug> it's slow, but I have no comparison so don't know is it caused by firmware or the 700mhz
[9:59] <cmug> (or sd)
[9:59] <reider59> I`m using Raspbian since yesterday, seems to have superceded Wheezy now
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[9:59] <booyaa> right sod it let;s do it
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[10:01] <reider59> It seems faster still than Wheezy, same config-maybe better, more robust and some stuff that didn`t work before like the connect 4 game now does. Also I see no CPU freeze like I occasionally did, sometimes opening a file in a VNC window would cause one, not now. also VNC is just as fast as being on a direct screen. The web browser is really fast now too.
[10:02] <reider59> I got RPi.GPIO working quite quickly too so my LCD stuff is working again
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[10:04] <cmug> reider59: I had 2 of those cpu freezes with raspbian yesterday when opening weblinks in midori.
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[10:04] <cmug> once it recovered after 10sec, the other time I had to reset power
[10:05] <reider59> Did the freeze lift or did you have to reboot
[10:05] <cmug> I didn't know the ip at the time, so couldn't check via ssh if it was only an X freeze or a complete system freeze
[10:05] <reider59> OK, well that`s not bad, it used to do it all the time. But if it cannot follow a link it may do that too.
[10:06] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, no more rpi-update ?
[10:06] <cmug> I don't know how midori works, but it felt like it was rendering the page in the background (picture intensive page) and that caused the thing to halt
[10:07] <reider59> I watched the CPU graph and it went full green but then I saw a chink of black, back to green then it dropped back to reasonable levels. Also try going in on SSH if it really gets stuck and issue a sudo reboot
[10:07] <reider59> that net wotsit (forget the name) is quicker than Midori
[10:07] <cmug> when the X is slow, nothing will be quick
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[10:08] <reider59> I`m getting some of the letters all jumbled up, wondering if it`s the font size too big
[10:08] <reider59> I haven`t touched it but it`s wrong in the browser
[10:09] <reider59> I used that net thingie over VNC and it was just like being on a direct screen
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[10:11] <reider59> <<< a little upset with myself today. Joe, a nice 91 YO guy from my art group, lent me a book on sketching on long term borrow in his words. I`ve been off 3 weeks and in that time he sadly died. I just showered, need to go in today and see what I should do about his book.
[10:12] <booyaa> :( sorry to hear about this reider59
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[10:13] <reider59> He was such a lovely guy, not brilliant at painting but he like d to have a go and loved the company too. "Gets me out of 4 walls"
[10:14] <jzu> keep it as a memory - when you die, you'll give him back up in the skies
[10:14] <reider59> I got him a palette off the net he`d seen someone else use. I measured it and drew it then looked for it on the net. so we became friends
[10:14] <reider59> That`s true, I won`t go on about it anyway.
[10:16] <reider59> Think I may dabble with some pain today, I normally just sketch
[10:16] <reider59> *paint
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[10:21] <gordonDrogon> adding some simplified thread & priority handling into wiringPi - to go with the interrupt handling...
[10:22] <reider59> Now I cleared the SD Card and put Raspbian on I`ll be tackling wiringPi again
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[10:23] <hetii> Hi :>
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[10:30] <hetii> With X is recomended for Pi ?
[10:31] <reider59> netsurf was that other browser
[10:31] <hetii> i currently use Raspbian Wheezy armhf
[10:34] <reider59> I ordered some more jumper wires from Tandy Online yesterday Gordon. 10 M/F for ?1.99 and 65 assorted M/M for ?2.49 + 83p delivery
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[10:34] <gordonDrogon> ok I need more too - might look at tandy if skp don't have them in yet.
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[10:35] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: How's the interrupt handling going?
[10:35] <reider59> ?2.99 for the 65 sorry, just looked.....http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/
[10:36] <reider59> They have a solderless breadboard kit in with jumper wires, contents 140, good for anyone else starting out. ?5.99 not a bad price either. A similar though bigger case I got was ?10.99 from Maplins
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, it's working - just making it presentable.
[10:37] <cmug> Can anybody suggest where to buy a adjustable psu for my breadboard etc?
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> it's only workable via the sysfs interface right now, but it's fast enough for what we need...
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> cmug, what country? if the UK, then maplin have some basic ones that look OK (not got one, but considering one for myself)
[10:37] <cmug> gordonDrogon: europe, no uk plugs ;)
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> cmug, get a travel adapter :)
[10:38] <Davespice> has anyone here done any ogles bench marking to see if back face culling is actually slower than just drawing your scene straight up?
[10:38] <cmug> got plenty of those
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> or just cut the plug off and put on a local one.
[10:39] <cmug> yeah
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[10:39] <cmug> maplin.co.uk?
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[10:39] <reider59> http://www.maplin.co.uk/
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[10:40] <gordonDrogon> cmug, I was looking at this: http://www.maplin.co.uk/bench-power-supply-with-lcd-screen-219129
[10:40] <cmug> thanks, couldn't find a single psu from their categories
[10:40] <cmug> not a bad price
[10:41] <cmug> not sure if I will ever need 5amps though
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> yea :)
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> and it's a bit pricey, however ..
[10:41] <cmug> there is a 1.5A one for 65??? sold locally
[10:42] <cmug> 5A one is 135???
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> I made myself one some years back - simple 5v and 12v outputs at one amp inside a black plastic box with linear regulators!
[10:42] <reider59> Take a look here Gordon http://www.eleinmec.com/shop_category.asp?974-gadgets-and-gizmos
[10:42] <reider59> ?59.99
[10:43] <cmug> yeah my skills are not on the level of doing mains stuff
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> reider59, yea, click on the link and it takes you to maplis site with the 79 price tag...
[10:43] <cmug> I can change a lightbulb and thats about it
[10:43] <reider59> ahhhh just defaults back to Maplin at the full price
[10:43] <`z> nein
[10:43] <`z> nein!
[10:43] <Gachl> doch doch
[10:43] <reider59> would have been a nice saving
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[10:44] <`z> the other day, i was about to charge my portable battery pack with a variable power plug
[10:44] <cmug> use the code at checkout?
[10:44] <`z> wall wart
[10:44] <`z> it was powering a second router
[10:44] <`z> i forgot to set the voltage to 5v, so
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[10:44] <`z> turn on power
[10:44] <`z> LOUD POP SOUND
[10:44] <reider59> Get the Maplins Vouchers too Gordon. I`ve had ?3 and ?7 off
[10:44] <reider59> ?3 for 30 or more
[10:44] <`z> lights flash for a eighth of a second
[10:44] <`z> gone forever
[10:45] <`z> luckily i was under warranty
[10:45] <cmug> `z: sounds familiar
[10:45] <`z> cmug, yeah
[10:46] <booyaa> setup prowl to ping him when the pi has finished rebooting :D
[10:47] <cmug> http://tuxgraphics.org/electronics/200707/bench-power-supply-unit.shtml
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[11:13] <SgrA> Just got my RPi. \o/
[11:14] <Gachl> congrats
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[11:14] <reider59> Nice one, welcome to the ROC....RaspberryPi Owners Club
[11:15] <Gachl> we roc!
[11:15] <SgrA> \o/ Thanks. :D
[11:15] <reider59> We will Roc You
[11:15] <urs> Now solder it to death immediately!
[11:15] <SgrA> I need to find a SD card (adapter?) and power supply before I can even turn it on.
[11:16] <Gachl> you could have bought it with the pi
[11:16] <SgrA> I must fail. :)
[11:16] <Arch-MBP> SgrA: you had 3-4 weeks to get those...slacker :P
[11:17] <SgrA> I had ordered mine back on 14th March. I had 4 months. D:
[11:17] <cmug> I stole from my wife's DSLR.. :P
[11:17] <Arch-MBP> SgrA: lol that???s even worse
[11:17] <SgrA> Indeed. :P
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[11:42] <Gachl> man, circuit diagrams with capacitors C1 and C3 but no C2
[11:42] <Gachl> what the hell
[11:42] <Gadgetoid> I wonder if Pi will be here: http://www.bettshow.com/
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[11:47] <RichiH> so.... gooseberry costs similar to raspberry
[11:47] <RichiH> worth getting both?
[11:47] <booyaa> gooseberry?
[11:47] <Gadgetoid> RichiH: Gooseberry is just a mainboard from a cheap chinese tablet
[11:48] <booyaa> ah
[11:48] <RichiH> Gadgetoid: and?
[11:48] <Gadgetoid> RichiH: It's junk.
[11:49] <Gadgetoid> And pitching it as an alternative to the Pi is just an underhanded attempt to steal their thunder and fob off some piece of cheap tat as a worhwhile board
[11:50] <rm> what do you plan to use both for
[11:50] <rm> if for a media center with a HDMI TV, then just get the MK802
[11:51] <johntramp> i am guessing the fact they didn't develop the board means they wont be able to support it either
[11:51] <RichiH> rm: yes, home theater
[11:52] <RichiH> johntramp: that is a good point
[11:52] <rm> RichiH, http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Allwinner_A10
[11:56] <RichiH> rm: interesting
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[12:01] <rm> the Gooseberry sucks
[12:01] <rm> it is a bare board of what Mele A1000/A2000 or the MK802 are
[12:01] <rm> except is not even any cheaper than those
[12:01] <rm> and afaik you can't order one yet
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[12:02] <joar> I'm having trouble with my /tmp partition only being 37M on raspbian
[12:02] <zgreg> IIRC the gooseberry board also has very crappy connectivity options
[12:02] <zgreg> no ethernet, hdmi, etc.
[12:03] <joar> I need more than that, and I'm willing to sacrifice the performance.
[12:03] <Gadgetoid> I think it has HDMI, but no ethernet
[12:03] <reider59> Draft issue 4 of MagPi here.....http://issuu.com/themagpi/docs/the_magpi_issue4_draft
[12:03] <Gadgetoid> It's pretty scant on specs or details, the guy selling them can't even say if they have any possibility of GPIO
[12:04] <Gadgetoid> Calling it the Gooseberry is also pretty bold, it all reeks of silly popularity hijacking??? but with any luck all the XMBC crowd will bog off to it
[12:05] <booyaa> yup
[12:05] <rm> it will not
[12:06] <cmug> so whats wrong with xbmc on rpi?
[12:06] <rm> there's simply no reason to prefer that bare board
[12:06] <rm> when you get a ready made nifty cased device with a remote for like $10 more
[12:06] <rm> or the "flash stick" mk802 for even less
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[12:07] <rm> http://liliputing.com/2012/03/mele-a1000-is-a-70-hackable-linux-friendly-arm-based-pc.html
[12:07] <rm> look ma, a VGA
[12:08] <cmug> i can see a hdmi too
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[12:08] <zgreg> the fact that they can't really support the board is probably the biggest problem
[12:09] <Gadgetoid> zgreg: they probably wont be able to sell in big enough volume to get good community support, either
[12:09] <rm> cmug, HDMI is nothing surprising, RPi/gooseberry/mk802 have it as well; a VGA output on the other hand is probably like the first/second most requested feature for the RPi, I'd guess
[12:09] <cmug> who needs vga..
[12:09] * RITRedbeard blinks.
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[12:09] <Gadgetoid> cmug: Every school. Everywhere. Ever.
[12:09] <RITRedbeard> Allwinner A10 caused recession in Shenzen.
[12:09] <cmug> drop the composite, all we need is hdmi/displayport
[12:10] <RITRedbeard> Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis?
[12:10] <Gadgetoid> Displayport? lulwut
[12:10] <Gadgetoid> cmug: The Pi wasn't made for geeks and people making poor choices in media centre hardware, why on earth would they pander to our wants!?
[12:10] <RITRedbeard> Displayport is royalty free
[12:10] <cmug> Gadgetoid: i know.. :)
[12:11] <cmug> vga would be better than the composite, true
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[12:11] <cmug> but personally I only care about digital outputs
[12:13] <dwatkins> Hooray! I have received my ModMyPi case :D
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[12:14] <booyaa> i've gone for the pibow
[12:14] <Gadgetoid> dwatkins: What's it like?
[12:14] <booyaa> it looks like a plastics sampler
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[12:15] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: 3d printed?
[12:15] <dwatkins> Gadgetoid: smooth, high quality plastic (i.e. doesn't feel brittle, fairly thick as well), in two sections, and came with four stick-on domed 'feet'
[12:15] <booyaa> laser cut
[12:16] <Gadgetoid> I clearly need to get my hands on one for a review :D
[12:16] <booyaa> http://www.flickr.com/photos/82849540@N05/sets/72157630628221454/
[12:16] <booyaa> i think there's a pic where it's fanned out
[12:16] <dwatkins> nice
[12:16] <Gadget-Work> Gadgetoid, just buy one like the rest of us :)
[12:16] <Gadgetoid> Pffttt??? buy?
[12:17] <booyaa> heh all this time i thouht Gadget-Work was just Gadgetoid at work
[12:17] <booyaa> lol
[12:17] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: He is, but we like to have conversations with ourself
[12:17] <booyaa> heh
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[12:18] <Gadget-Work> booyaa, you think that will help :)
[12:18] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, tempted to buy one anyway as a show of support, but I have a limited budget and prefer paying for things with glorious gushing reviews of their awesomeness
[12:18] <Gadget-Work> lol
[12:18] * dwatkins rescues his teabag
[12:18] <Gadgetoid> Or, occasionally, unyielding heinous destruction of every minutiae that the designer/developer got wrong
[12:18] <Gadget-Work> And just because I can I'll now pimp my non pi related latest project
[12:19] <Gadget-Work> http://max1284.homelabs.org.uk
[12:19] <booyaa> heh
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> right. think that's almost it. just a bit of documentaiton and a test to write now.
[12:19] <dwatkins> clearly I should take pictures of my Lego cases for Pi and holders for my phones ;)
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> the gpio program is getting bigger..
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> gpio edge 0 falling
[12:19] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Work: I use my Pi as an ethernet gateway for the Arduino :)
[12:19] <Gadget-Work> gordonDrogon, nice one. When do we get ISP programming :)
[12:19] <dwatkins> Gadgetoid: that looks very interesting
[12:20] <Gadget-Work> Gadgetoid, sledgehammer to crack a nut
[12:20] <Gadgetoid> If only I could redirect highlights :)
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, isp programming is there - see http://project-downloads.drogon.net/files/ for avrdudes.
[12:20] <Gadgetoid> Gadget-Work: why, yes ;)
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> I'll get the Gerboard pages live later today, but I have to go to RAMM for an event this afternoon/evening.
[12:21] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: is the latest version of wiringPi ready to shove in the Repo?
[12:21] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I wont be able to wrap up your changes until mid august :(
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, not yet- working on docs and examples.
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, no wories for now.
[12:28] <Gadgetoid> Guess it's still early days for it to be a big deal, but I want to keep WiringPi Python ahead of RPi.GPIO
[12:28] <Gadgetoid> So the unified solution can win win win :D
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> There's nothing new in it... othe than the waitForInterrupt () call, the simplified pthreads stuff, switch to real-time/high priority mode and ... er ...
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> license change to lgpl.
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> you can do waitForInterrupt without being root too, but you need to be root to change priority.
[12:30] <Gadgetoid> waitForInterrupt is pretty big news, though, and getting it to work in things like Ruby could be??? interesting
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[12:30] <Gadgetoid> I suspect I can kick off a thread to handle interrupts, though, very excited to try it
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> just thought of a way to cache the interrupt handler file descriptors too.
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> in C, you can declare a function with: PI_THREAD (foo) then start it in the main program with piThread (foo);
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> they're just a simplified way to access pthreads - and are fully compatable with them.
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> I've also added a simplified mutex method too to lock globals between threads.
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> piLock (x) and piUnlock (x) ;
[12:33] <mervaka> ah i love C
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> :)
[12:33] <mervaka> using memcpy to efficiently copy part of a struct
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[12:33] <mervaka> in one hit
[12:33] <Gadgetoid> Harder when it involves sending something back to another language, I don't think there's any way Ruby can fire-and-forget a request to C and have that come back in as an interrupt
[12:33] <Jaska_> ah.. finally could get back to channel..
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[12:34] <mervaka> Jaska_: yeah, that caught me out for a bit.
[12:34] <Jaska_> Well i was just too lazy to identify myself.. and finally managed to do it
[12:34] <Jaska_> :P
[12:34] <mervaka> havent had a lot of time for irc over the last two weeks
[12:35] <mervaka> came back and.. yeah
[12:35] <mervaka> i think ive got a config sorted now in irssi that signs me in on connect
[12:36] <Jaska_> time to try how raspberry handles quassel-core :P
[12:36] <mervaka> wassail!
[12:36] <mervaka> oh
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> mervaka, er, haven't you been able to structA = structB for some time in C ?
[12:36] <mervaka> yes, but i only wanted certain records from structA
[12:37] <mervaka> struct js_event, if you're wondering. the timestamp takes up half the space, and i dont need it.
[12:37] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Do you know offhand what needs to be done to let Raspian see an Arduino Uno (so it shows up under serial ports)?
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> ok - but for whole structures, copying has been part of C since C90 ..
[12:37] <mervaka> i know :)
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[12:38] <gordonDrogon> Xark, yes. the uno comes up as /dev/ttyACM0 - so create a symlink from /dev/ttyUSB9 to /dev/ttyACM0, restart the IDE and look for /dev/ttyUSB9 .. gross hack, but it works.
[12:38] <mervaka> i'm just quite glad to be coding C again instead of python. i can do cool stuff like this.
[12:38] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Awesome. Thanks. :)
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> had to do the same for the Pi's on-board serial (/dev/ttyAMA0) when trying to get the arduino IDE to talk over it to the Gertboard.
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> how do I do an underline in man page groff ...
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[12:41] <Jaska__> ping
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> \fI...\fR
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> fwiw.
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[12:51] <kobzar> who know
[12:52] <kobzar> if i connect this to RPI http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-3-5-TFT-LCD-Color-Screen-Car-Rearview-Monitor-DVD-VCR-/160696147452?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item256a3c9dfc&vxp=mtr#ht_3329wt_1139 how long cable to translate RGB i can used?
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[12:54] <Xark> kobzar: You can use a quite long composite cable (not RGB).
[12:54] <reider59> That`s on my list to do too, seen them in the UK for around ?15-?20
[12:55] <Xark> kobzar: The exact length will depend on the quality of the cable (but simple RCA cable can go probably > 20 feet before degrading too much).
[12:56] <kobzar> 20 santimetrs? i need one metr !
[12:56] <reider59> I best go get ready for th eart group, later
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[12:57] <Xark> kobzar: No, more like 10+ meters. :)
[12:57] <Xark> kobzar: It is only two wires for video so with shielded cable, it can go far.
[12:59] <Xark> kobzar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFJ1YjEiZEg
[13:00] <kobzar> i see all post on forum, but can find a good variant 3.5-5 inch display with ability to connect touchscreen later and coast of less then 50 dollars
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[13:02] <Xark> kobzar: This is a pretty good display for the money, but it is very small and not good for small text. Of course a small HDMI TV will be much better, but I haven't seen any < $50. I don't know anything about touch...
[13:02] <kobzar> i found it - but in post i can see the manual how connect this http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=6916
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[13:07] <dogmatic69> Hi all
[13:08] <dogmatic69> looking at getting a raspberry. Is there anything to know about "type B:
[13:09] <booyaa> what do you need to know? the raspberrypi.org faq is fairly good
[13:09] <Xark> dogmatic69: "Model B" you mean? The only model available at this time (the diff is the ethernet and 2nd USB port).
[13:09] <booyaa> also there's the rpi hub on elinux.org http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Hub
[13:09] <dogmatic69> ah ok, Its just the "better" model
[13:09] <dogmatic69> Xark: ye, fumbled the kb
[13:09] <mervaka> to be honest
[13:09] <booyaa> model a not yet available will be aimed at educational institutions
[13:09] <mervaka> i dont see much point in manufacturing the type A
[13:10] <Xark> dogmatic69: It is the only model currently. The Model A is supposed to come out in the next few months for $10 less (and no ethernet and only 1 USB port).
[13:10] <dogmatic69> cool. I need the eth
[13:10] <Xark> mervaka: A lot of people who want to use it for a "high end" Arduino see no need for ethernet and 2nd USB (and the extra power wasting ethernet/hub chip).
[13:11] <dogmatic69> also poor schools
[13:11] <mervaka> true i guess, when buying in numbers..
[13:11] <Xark> dogmatic69: Sure. Anybody who wants $25 per board vs $35. :)
[13:11] <dogmatic69> \o/ I got one
[13:12] <Xark> dogmatic69: Right on. Hope the wait isn't too long (unlikely to be as long as I waited). :)
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[13:12] <dogmatic69> nope, will have it by monday I think
[13:12] <dogmatic69> (ebay)
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[13:13] <Xark> dogmatic69: Ahh
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[13:17] <kobzar> oooo good device
[13:17] <kobzar> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Monitor-Car-Reverse-Rearview-Backup-3-5-DVD-VCR-TFT-LCD-Color-Camera-B-/310415450206?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D250986064668%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D715696869498519946#shId
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[13:43] <AlanBell> anyone know how to turn on 3d stuff in raspbian?
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[13:43] <AlanBell> I had glxinfo and glxgears working find in the old debian image
[13:44] <AlanBell> "glxgears couldn't get an rgb double-buffered visual" is the error message in the new raspbian
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> I hateses documentation, but it's a neccessary evila.
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[14:06] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Doesn't everyone? It's worse when you dream of reading documentation
[14:07] <Crenn-NAS> I've had that once, and I read it later in the day and remember some of the details from the dream were identical to the one in the sheet
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> weird :)
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> writing a demo program now.
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> which is of-course not working.
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[14:12] <phire> I love documentation
[14:12] <phire> just not a big fan of writing it
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> moved the pi - at least now I can test my program without walking across the room to push the button!
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[14:27] <hetii> Hi :>
[14:27] <hetii> what you you think about : http://www.ebay.pl/itm/MINI-ANDROID-4-0-PC-1G-DDR3-4GB-ROM-A10-HDMI-WIFI-GOOGLE-TV-BOX-MK802-from-uk-/150857222744?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Internet_TV_Media_Streamers&hash=item231fca8a58
[14:27] <hetii> ?
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[14:32] <akSeya> hi folks :)
[14:32] <akSeya> guys, anyone from Brazil?
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[14:33] <stealth``> born in Brazil or living in Brazil?
[14:33] <stealth``> :P
[14:34] <akSeya> living in brazil or ordering raspi to brazil :P
[14:34] <urs> I watched the movie "Brazil" on my Rpi, does that count?
[14:34] <stealth``> then not me...
[14:34] <stealth``> haha
[14:35] <akSeya> lol
[14:35] <akSeya> you know.. i got mine already.. but.. instead of the normal US$35 + U$20 for shipping, i had do pay +U$100 taxes :(
[14:35] <akSeya> this was very sad
[14:36] <stealth``> that is sad... did the guys at customs said why you had to pay all that in tax? I thought it would normally be 60% (I'm brazilian, but I have moved out of Brazil a few years ago)
[14:38] <akSeya> well, i paid US$55 in to newark, but in the invoice was described US$70
[14:38] <akSeya> then taxes plus some UPS charging gave that total ammount
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[14:39] <stealth``> shame... I just remembered that up to U$50.00 they shouldn't charge you any taxes... oh well.. I guess there's much to be done now, is it?
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[14:40] <akSeya> actually.. i have already done everything.. i got my raspi a month ago..
[14:40] <akSeya> i'm just thinking, now that one can buy more than one, what could I do to skip those huge taxes
[14:41] <akSeya> or at least reduce them..
[14:42] <akSeya> i'm registering in rs to see the shipping methods.. UPS was charged, but I guess if I get EMS it would be sheaper
[14:42] <stealth``> what about if they charge you one invoice for the pi (U$25 or U$35? I forgot), attached that to be delivered to you, charge you on another invoice for the other fees and stuff, and then, since it's below 50, you wouldn't get charged tax? (check the import law to see if that still applies or if it's an old thing) does it make sense?
[14:43] <stealth``> but then, this is something you'd have to discuss with the seller, to check the possibility and if it actually works
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[14:44] <gordonDrogon> ok. waitforInterrpt seems to work. now to make it work more efficiently.
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[14:44] <akSeya> it makes sense.. i had to pay tax for shipping
[14:45] <akSeya> this does not make sense...
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[14:48] <akSeya> in RS site, Delivery Type : Standard Delivery
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[14:51] <dmsuse> :o
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[14:56] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Doing GPIO interrupts?
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, yes!
[14:58] <Gachl> gordonDrogon: are you that guy from that blog with soles of your shoes patterned like car tires?
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> Gachl, Yes!
[14:59] <Gachl> I want these shoes!
[14:59] <deafanon> do you have any tips re: NTLM proxy authentication configuration in wheezy? I used to use cntlm with ubuntu a while ago but am not sure what to do in wheezy
[14:59] <Gachl> I could make tire marks with those
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> my shoes are custom made and they can't use standard soles on them so they use rubber and it's name is car type pattern!
[14:59] <Gachl> figures :D
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> http://www.conkershoes.com/
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> I have weird shaped feet...
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> Those ones are the 'Das Boots' :) http://www.conkershoes.com/webshop/shoes/das-boot/
[15:01] <Gachl> das boots :D nice
[15:02] <Gachl> man I'd get some tyre sandals but they all look like for girls
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> Yea, I'm going to go in & see them seen (I only live 7 miles away) and ask about sandals for men.
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> they're not cheap though )-:
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> however my oldest ones 'Met Boots' are now about 10 years old and have been resoled twice.
[15:04] <Gachl> yea real leather boots have to last a few decades :P
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[15:04] <gordonDrogon> especially at the price - however it's the first time I've ever had shoes that fit me properly.
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[15:05] <gordonDrogon> I have 3 pairs - 2 Das Boots and one Met Boot. and I'm hoping to get another 10 years out of them.
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[15:10] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Sounds good!
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[15:11] <gordonDrogon> of-course I broke it trying to be clever :)
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> un-doing my cleverness now...
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[15:33] <gordonDrogon> and fixed it again.
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> demo program: http://unicorn.drogon.net/wfi.c
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> comments welcome...
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[15:40] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: // Needs more comments
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[15:41] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, Er.. I thought the ratio of comment to code was a bit high already!!! (really???)
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[15:41] <Crenn-NAS> ;P
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[15:43] <defswork> for (;;) :|
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> My aim is to produce simple/easy to use but hopefully efficient wrappers round some of the internal gubbins. things like posix threads and mutexes are often bit tricky for newbies to get their head round...
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> defswork, suggest an alternative...
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> defswork, although I've been doing it that way for 30 years, so hard to change...
[15:44] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: while(1);
[15:44] <defswork> while (true) { }
[15:44] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: whee:
[15:44] * gordonDrogon ponders. it's the same thing.
[15:44] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: goto whee;
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> haha!
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> I don't even use goto in my BASIC programs anymore...
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> I have a cycle ... repeat construct in that.
[15:45] <NucWin> haha OO-Basic
[15:45] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: It's C compatible ;D
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> nah, better than C :)
[15:45] <Xark> gordonDrogon: I am curious why you added the void cast here "(void)piHiPri (10) ;" ? Just for documentation purposes (since you are ignoring return value), or did you need this to stop a warning or something?
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[15:46] <gordonDrogon> Xark, stops a warning - I'm throwing the return value away.
[15:46] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, does that program use an actual hardware interrupt? or is it jsut like polling the pin?
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, it's an actual hardware interrupt.
[15:47] <dirty_d> oh, neat
[15:47] <Xark> gordonDrogon: But aren't a bunch of these functions throwing away return value (e.g., system)?
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[15:47] <gordonDrogon> within the limitations of the Linux scheduller...
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> Xark, you're right... I'll shoot myself now.
[15:47] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, but wouldnt it make more sense to use a callback function?
[15:47] <hagg> on some platforms for(;;) uses less cycles than while(true)
[15:47] <dirty_d> because youre still polling
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> Xark, I tend to be fussy like that for my own functions.
[15:47] <hagg> at least for gcc
[15:48] <Xark> gordonDrogon: No worries, just not usual to use a void cast like that outside of macros.
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[15:48] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, possibly, but I'm working to the constraints of what the Pi's GPIO gives me.
[15:48] <defswork> hagg - because there's no condition I guess
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, I don't think I can get a callback the way the kernel driver is implemented.
[15:49] <defswork> hagg, but I'd expect the optimiser to shortcut a constant condition
[15:49] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, ahh i see, i thought you made the driver yourself
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, when the kernel hits the poll() fucntion, that process is deschedulled until the interrupt comes in.
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[15:49] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, no - it's the patches in the latest kernels.
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[15:50] <gordonDrogon> poll() with the last arg of -1 (timeout) never returns until the interrupt happens (or a fault of some sort)
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[15:51] <dirty_d> yea, it would be nice to be able to do other stuff while thats blocking, i guess you could just use antoher thread
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, the main process isn't blocked - that's sitting in a busy loop, waiting for the counter to increment.
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[15:52] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, the waitForIt() function is run as a pthread concurrently with the main program.
[15:52] <dirty_d> ahh
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> so that thread blocks, but the rest of the program carries on.
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[15:52] <dirty_d> the thread is created in waitForIt?
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> The macro PI_THREAD is just a wrapper for: #define PI_THREAD(X) void *X (void *dummy)
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> the thread is creates in the main program (well setup) piThreadCreate (waitForIt) ;
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> that's just a lightweight call to pthread_create
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> it's literally 2 lines of code:
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> int piThreadCreate (void *(*fn)(void *))
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> {
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> pthread_t myThread ;
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> return pthread_create (&myThread, NULL, fn, NULL) ;
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> }
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> well maybe 3 :)
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> just using some wrappers to keep newbies away from the combination of ()'s and *'s ... until they know better :)
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[15:56] <dirty_d> yea
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> well that's my intention anyway - to provide a simplified interface, and if/when people needs more control, then it's all avalable to them with the standard libraries.
[15:56] <dirty_d> (void)piHiPri (10) ;
[15:57] <dirty_d> whats the deal with the (void) in front?
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[15:57] <gordonDrogon> scroll back - I'm throwing away the return value - something I do when I write the function, but forget with various system routines - like system(), printf(), etc.
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> Just a habit, I guess. I know there ought to be a value because I wrote the function, so know I should make it obvious I'm throwing it away.
[15:58] <dirty_d> ahh
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[15:58] <gordonDrogon> I guess we all fall into various habits over the years and just don't think about it too much!
[15:59] <dirty_d> yea
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[16:00] <gordonDrogon> might put some more comments into that program just to make it a bit more obvous what GPIO pins I'm using, then post it to the forums. I thin Mike Cook has been a little grumpier than usual, so this might help him...
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[16:01] <dirty_d> hmm, i suppose a change to the driver could be an ioctl that takes a function pointer for an interrupt to call
[16:02] <dirty_d> not really sure how to call a userspace function from the kernel though
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[16:03] <plugwash> AIUI signals are basically the userspace equivilent of interrupts
[16:03] <plugwash> so you probablly want to fire off a signal which the app can then register a handler for using the normal signal handling methods
[16:04] <dirty_d> yea that makes more sense
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[16:06] <gordonDrogon> Yes. and they're delivered asynchronously too.
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> I wish I had more time to look into more of the kernel level stuff.
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[16:07] <gordonDrogon> however I think this way is a good compormise. I'll do some timing tests later to see how many ints/sec it can handle.
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> I'm interested in using it to count pulses from a rotary encoder.
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> so the interrupt routing itself will count pulses, turn off the motor at the right count, then set a flag for the main program to pick up to indicate 'done'...
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[16:12] <dirty_d> http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~arkeller/linux/kernel_user_space_howto.html#s6
[16:12] <dirty_d> well that seems pretty simple
[16:13] <dirty_d> send_sig_info
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[16:17] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, it's a interesting hack!
[16:17] <dirty_d> well i wouldnt call it a hack
[16:17] <dirty_d> oh, the example they give, yea
[16:18] <dirty_d> are ioctls generally frowned upon?
[16:19] <dirty_d> i thought they were because you have to use some kinda bad lock in them
[16:19] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, is the gpio driver youre talking about in both bootc's kernel and the official rpi one?
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> it's in bootc's 2.3.23 kernel.
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> I think Dom said he was going to put it into the official one - but I'm sort of thinking that bootc's one is going to be the official one? (although I may have heard wrong though!)
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi1: uname -a
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi1 3.2.23+ #3 PREEMPT Wed Jul 18 17:56:26 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[16:21] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, i dont see it
[16:21] <dirty_d> im in drivers/gpio
[16:21] <dirty_d> i dont see anything bcm
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> it's not there. hang on.
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> Look in: arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/bcm2708_gpio.c
[16:23] <aaa801> Sooo, we just got a android boot screen
[16:23] * aaa801 pokes gordonDrogon
[16:23] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, ok thanks
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> hi aaa801
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[16:24] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: we got a android boot screen
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, er, can I make a phone call on it then?
[16:24] <aaa801> lol
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> :)
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> I need to go for lunch. I'm off out at 4pm...
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> laters
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[16:29] <friggle> aaa801: what android ver?
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[16:31] <aaa801> friggle: cm9
[16:31] <aaa801> ics
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[16:38] <friggle> tneat
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[16:40] <aaa801> the crappy framebuffer driver is causing us hell
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[16:46] <Adya> Hi guys:)
[16:46] <Adya> When I'm trying to install raspbian on my SD ard
[16:46] <Adya> card on Windows Computer
[16:47] <Adya> I get this: http://imgur.com/dgYUA
[16:48] <Adya> What do I have to do???
[16:48] <Adya> ((((
[16:49] <mervaka> erk
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[16:50] <mervaka> i'm not familiar with the windows tool, but have you tried other images? debian etc
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[16:50] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, tehre must be another gpio driver loaded in addition to that one right?
[16:51] <Adya> Yes
[16:51] <mervaka> dirty_d: how's the project going? :)
[16:51] <Adya> I've already installed debian img on THIS sd card on THIS computer
[16:51] <dirty_d> mervaka, what one, i cant remember
[16:51] <dirty_d> lol
[16:51] <mervaka> dirty_d: not sure :p
[16:51] <mervaka> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18900862
[16:52] <mervaka> that looks cool though
[16:52] <mervaka> Adya: tried downloading the image again? could be corrupt
[16:52] <Adya> Yep, 2 times
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[16:53] <Adya> Nothing helps:(
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[16:54] <mikey_w> Is the write protect switch in the wrong position on the sd card?
[16:54] <dirty_d> wow, it landed only a few miles from where it was launched?
[16:54] <dirty_d> seems unlikely
[16:55] <dirty_d> as it was 40km in the sky
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, Hm. Let me check again..
[16:57] <Adya> No, on write protection
[16:57] <Adya> *no
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, the patch I had (which I applied to 3.2.21 which subsequently crashed when I tried to use it!) patches: linux/arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/bcm2708_gpio.c linux/arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/include/mach/irqs.h & linux/arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/include/mach/gpio.h
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, any joy approaching the RiscOS people to share any common code for e.g. the framebuffer?
[17:01] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, yea but there must be some other high level gpio driver
[17:02] <dirty_d> which didnt need to be patched since its platform independant
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, I've really no idea then....
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> You might be able to fathom it out from bootc's kernel if you can drive github...
[17:04] <dirty_d> yea thats where i am
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> I need to go to the museum...alter..
[17:04] <Adya> GordonDrogon, you know!:);)
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[17:10] <Adya> I'm trying, trying, rebooting, etc., but error 123 stil is showing, when I'm pressing write:(
[17:11] <Adya> Do you know any good live light linux, that can be installed over usb drive?
[17:12] <Adya> To install it and run dd:)
[17:12] <Adya> Not over but on
[17:12] <Adya> Anybody here?:)
[17:13] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, seems like if you want high performance io a very simple custom driver should be used
[17:14] <Adya> I need raspbian very much!!!!!!
[17:14] <dirty_d> the built in gpio is very generic
[17:14] <ziltro> Thinking of the aerial Pi, I was wondering if connecting a USB plug and soldering the shell would hold it well enough to survuve?
[17:14] <dirty_d> userspace access with mmap is much faster id think
[17:14] <Civil|2> Adya: systemrescuecd for example
[17:14] <Civil|2> Adya: if you need linux for x86/amd64
[17:14] <ziltro> Or would rubber bands hold it in, or... Something.
[17:14] <dirty_d> and maybe a simple driver for interrupts/signals
[17:14] <Adya> I'll try it now
[17:15] <Adya> Can systemrescuecd be installed on flash drive?
[17:16] <Adya> Civil|2
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[17:17] <Civil|2> Adya: it's livecd, in it's root there is installation script for linux. For windows - there are some howtos on their site
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[17:17] <Civil|2> never user them though
[17:17] <longbyte1> ughghghhgh
[17:18] <longbyte1> I just set up headless and I'm going to resize and accomodate partitions in my sd card, but guess what
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[17:18] <longbyte1> gparted is GRAPHICAL ONLY
[17:18] <longbyte1> ughghghghghhghghghghh
[17:18] <longbyte1> ohwait
[17:18] <longbyte1> what if
[17:18] <ReggieUK> use parted then?
[17:19] <ziltro> Or put the SD card in a GUI machine
[17:19] <longbyte1> parted whines every time that it's too risky doing that stuff with the tool
[17:19] <ziltro> For some reason I like to resize partitions using a GUI but play videos from the console.
[17:19] <longbyte1> is there a fatfsprogs, something like that?
[17:19] <longbyte1> just like there is an e2fsprogs?
[17:19] <ziltro> IIRC, gparted calls parted, which in turn calls FS speciffic tools.
[17:20] <ziltro> So probably.
[17:20] <dirty_d> longbyte1, dosfstools
[17:20] <longbyte1> ah yes thanks
[17:22] <longbyte1> would vnc work...?
[17:22] <longbyte1> to use gparted?
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[17:37] <mervaka> longbyte1: no reason why not. you could probably use X forwarding too, if your client is running an X server.
[17:37] <peba> hi from vienna
[17:37] <longbyte1> WARNING: you are attempting to use parted to operate on (resize) a file system. parted's file system manipulation code is not as robust as what you'll find in dedicated, file-system-specific packages like e2fsprogs. We recommend you use parted only to manipulate partition tables, whenever possible. Support for performing most operations on most types of file systems will be removed in an...
[17:37] <longbyte1> ...upcoming release.
[17:38] <longbyte1> I don't know how to do X forwarding.
[17:38] <longbyte1> This is Raspbian.
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[17:38] <huene> peba: hi from linz :)
[17:38] <longbyte1> Connecting from PuTTY, with a Cygwin X Server ready.
[17:39] <longbyte1> so how do I do x forwarding?
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[17:40] <mikey_w> "ssh -Y user@hostname" for port forwarding.
[17:40] <longbyte1> On which side?
[17:40] <mikey_w> oops for x forwarding.
[17:40] <mikey_w> from your client.
[17:40] <longbyte1> From the command line?
[17:41] <mikey_w> yes
[17:41] <longbyte1> From Cygwin X?
[17:41] <huene> you could try to set DISPLAY to your ip - for example 192.168.1.42:0 , and then run some X program
[17:42] <huene> it works with xming this way, don't know about cygwin x server
[17:42] <mikey_w> Is that from a windows machine?
[17:42] <RaTTuS|BIG> \o/ I thik I got distcc workin on my 3 pi's
[17:42] <longbyte1> windows to rpi, yes.
[17:42] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm damn my typing ...
[17:42] <mikey_w> ugh!
[17:42] <ziltro> Can you use distcc to compile a kernel?
[17:43] <mikey_w> I don't due windows.
[17:43] <RaTTuS|BIG> i'm going to time and try it now
[17:43] <longbyte1> So has anyone made some kind of cluster computing with rpis yet?
[17:44] <ziltro> Does distcc count?
[17:44] <longbyte1> mikey_w: well, I do have an ubuntu computer ready
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[17:45] <mikey_w> Yeah.
[17:45] <longbyte1> should I use that one?
[17:45] <nid0> hold on, are you going to these extreme x forwarding lengths just to resize your sd card? :s
[17:45] <longbyte1> But then I have to deal with the bad fonts.
[17:45] <mikey_w> Sure, then "ssh -Y user@hostname" is easy.
[17:46] <ziltro> I was wondiring if anything on http://worldcommunitygrid.org/ would run on ARM, now or in the future.
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[17:46] <longbyte1> Yeah, I'm going to these xtreme forwarding lengths JUST to resize my sd card.
[17:46] <longbyte1> :/
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[17:46] <ziltro> DOes your Ubuntu machine not have an SD card slot?
[17:46] <nid0> whats wrong with 1) fdisk or 2) the resize tool included in the raspbian image?
[17:47] <nid0> (the latter of which just uses fdisk anyway but is idiot proof)
[17:47] <longbyte1> My ubuntu machine does not support sdhc, but it does support sd
[17:48] <longbyte1> My windows machine supports sdhc and it has cygwin
[17:48] <mikey_w> Buy a cheap usb sdhc card reader.
[17:48] <longbyte1> lightbulb.
[17:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> well it's passingout out an receiving jobs ok.... lets see how long .... [I expect about 4hrs]
[17:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> doing a make all ....
[17:49] <ziltro> So 12 ?? RPi for 1 hour compilation?
[17:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> we'll see ;-p ... it may be worse ....
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[17:50] <booyaa> okay who's got 12 rpis?
[17:50] <booyaa> you hijack the delivery van?
[17:50] <ziltro> They are all theroetical.
[17:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> only got 3
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[17:51] <ziltro> Hmm the GPIO holes includ 0v and 5v for power, don't they?
[17:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> ziltro yes
[17:51] <ziltro> With a couple of long wires and some solder you could pile RPis on top of eachother and power them all that way. :)
[17:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ will probably melt the tracks after a few
[17:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> though bus power whould work
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[17:53] <lenz> Hallo!
[17:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> hi
[17:53] <ziltro> I was assuming that the wires would carry all the current?
[17:53] <lenz> Friends, does Arch Linux has the dhcp client enabled by default?
[17:53] <ziltro> Oh, yes, power on the wires not on to a USB socket.
[17:54] <longbyte1> my lightbulb idea's probably isn't going to work
[17:54] <longbyte1> the cheap usb sd card reader hasn't been found
[17:55] <longbyte1> for MONTHS
[17:55] <longbyte1> :(
[17:55] <ziltro> Got an SD Card reader in a digital camera?
[17:55] <longbyte1> Rip it off and shove it in my laptop?
[17:55] <longbyte1> well yeah I do
[17:55] <ziltro> No, I was thinking about a USB cable.
[17:56] <ziltro> As long as the camera supports... Is it called MSP? Not PTP.
[17:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Memwah-High-speed-multi-reader/dp/B002GICPMA work ???
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[17:56] <ziltro> That says SDHC.
[17:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Card-Reader-Writer-RS-MMC-Memory/dp/B003ODQVQ2
[17:58] <ziltro> 80% off? What's wrong with it?
[17:58] <ziltro> USB cable doesn't look twisted.
[17:58] <ziltro> Might break after some bending.
[17:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> looks fine to me and I have something very similar that works ...
[17:59] <ziltro> But otherwise yeah they would probably work.
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[18:00] <nid0> longbyte1: could we just clarify what, exactly, you're trying to achieve here?
[18:03] <longbyte1> resize
[18:03] <longbyte1> some stupid
[18:03] <longbyte1> partitions!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111
[18:03] <longbyte1> to make
[18:03] <longbyte1> space
[18:03] <longbyte1> for
[18:03] <longbyte1> a
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[18:03] <longbyte1> swap drivveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[18:03] <longbyte1> D:
[18:04] <longbyte1> partition*
[18:04] <SIFTU> you could add a new partiton or even create a swap file
[18:04] <ziltro> Swap on flash is apparently a bad idea. But ignoring that... You can create a swap file.
[18:05] <mm0zct> yeah I just made a swap file
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[18:05] <mm0zct> it's much easier than repartitioning
[18:05] <mm0zct> and if you decide you don't need it again you can just delte it, rather than resizing partitions again to reclaim the space
[18:05] <ziltro> GParted boot CD in your windows machine. There's another option.
[18:06] <anacron> http://elinux.org/RPi_Resize_Flash_Partitions
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[18:07] <nid0> so yeah to sum up what like loads of people just said, you can easily resize your partitions on device with fdisk and resize2fs, it takes like 30 seconds
[18:08] <nid0> but as also said, you're better just using a swapfile rather than a separate partition for your swap
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[18:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> raspbian comes with dhphys-swapfile stuff i.e. makes a swapfile on boot up sort of thing
[18:10] <longbyte1> and where would be the best place to make a swapfile?
[18:10] <nid0> anywhere
[18:10] <nid0> in /var is common
[18:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ whs
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[18:10] <mm0zct> mine's just in /
[18:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> ps axOT
[18:11] <longbyte1> so
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[18:12] <longbyte1> dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/swap bs=1024 count=786432
[18:13] <longbyte1> mkswap /var/swap
[18:13] <longbyte1> swapon /var/swap
[18:14] <longbyte1> and then edit etc/fstab
[18:14] <longbyte1> done?
[18:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> would do it .. not sure how big that makes it but yeah
[18:14] <longbyte1> .75 GB
[18:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> if your on latest raspbian ti's done for you
[18:14] <nid0> thatd be a 768mb swap, you'd probably be better with bs=1M and count 768
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[18:15] <longbyte1> 1024 is 1M?
[18:15] <mm0zct> it's in KB
[18:15] <mm0zct> 1MB = 1024KB
[18:15] <longbyte1> exactly
[18:16] <nid0> bs is bytes unless you specify a value
[18:16] <mm0zct> oh yeah
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[18:16] <longbyte1> bs=1024 count=786432 translates to 1KB and 768MB?
[18:16] <longbyte1> oh well
[18:16] <longbyte1> Should I perform it now?
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[18:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> my 8Gb sdcard raspbian has 100Mb swap , my 2 hd version have 1.8G and 7.5G [but both have desktop partitons anyway so no worries]
[18:17] <mm0zct> do it with bs=1M, a larger block size will be faster
[18:17] <longbyte1> ok
[18:17] <longbyte1> error: text file busy
[18:18] <longbyte1> SHOOT
[18:18] <longbyte1> how should I do this?
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[18:19] <ziltro> bs and count get multiplied together for the total, right?
[18:20] <ziltro> It would be nice to be able to say "I want a 100M file, work out the optimal block size yourself 'cos you're a computer and better at doing this sort of thing than I am."
[18:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> longbyte1 just make sure you dont already have one ... what does free -h say
[18:21] <ziltro> -h?
[18:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> human readble ;-p
[18:22] <ziltro> I don't have that on Ubuntu.
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[18:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> free -h .... not on ubuntu
[18:23] <ziltro> Ah okay, damned different versions of common tools.
[18:23] <ziltro> busybox free doesn't even have -m
[18:23] <longbyte1> yeah, there
[18:23] <longbyte1> 's already a swap file on mmcblkp1
[18:23] <longbyte1> mmcblk0p1
[18:24] <longbyte1> I'm just going to keep it this way.
[18:24] <longbyte1> I don't know exactly the size of the swap file, but...
[18:25] <longbyte1> thanks anyway
[18:25] <ziltro> swapon -s
[18:26] <longbyte1> # a swapfile is not a swap partition, so no using swapon|off from here on, use dphys-swapfile swap[on|off] for that
[18:26] <longbyte1> etc/fstab
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[18:26] <ziltro> 'swapon -s' shows you the current state of swap, ie. how large your swap is.
[18:27] <longbyte1> 102396
[18:27] <ziltro> ~100MB?
[18:27] <longbyte1> a swap file of 10 megabytes?
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[18:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> you do have swap , you are on raspbian , and yes iot 100MB
[18:27] <longbyte1> 100*
[18:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> 100Meg
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[18:28] <longbyte1> How do I bump the size up?
[18:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> swapines sis set to be very low so will not get used very much
[18:28] <longbyte1> to 768MB?
[18:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> swapiness*
[18:28] <ziltro> 'cat /proc/partitions' should show you the size of all detected partitions. Can be useful too.
[18:28] <ziltro> You can create a swap file as well, and use both.
[18:29] <longbyte1> 179 0 7761920 mmcblk0 | 179 1 57344 mmcblk0p1 | 179 2 7700480 mmcblk0p2
[18:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> cat /etc/sysctl.conf
[18:29] <longbyte1> test
[18:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> longbyte1 if you have an usb hddisk you can move the swap on there
[18:30] <longbyte1> well... it's a fat hddisk, no ext4
[18:30] <ziltro> A swap file is a file.
[18:30] <longbyte1> also a lot of files there, but ok
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[18:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> but TBH unless you are getitng out of swap errors leave it as it is ...
[18:31] <ziltro> And when it is on a partition that partition isn't EXT, it is ... erm... swap.
[18:31] <longbyte1> I don't understand linux...........
[18:32] <longbyte1> too many paradoxes, mounting dev/drive1 onto /
[18:32] <ziltro> You can do that in windows. ;)
[18:32] <ziltro> Or, you can mount a drive on to eg. c:\otherdrive\
[18:32] <longbyte1> what, moutnting C:\ onto C:\?
[18:32] <ziltro> Windows also supports symbolic links these days.
[18:33] <ziltro> No, that would be silly.
[18:33] <ziltro> But instead of mounting a drive as eg. e: you can mount it as eg. c:\OtherDrive\
[18:33] <longbyte1> but windows is much more understandable
[18:33] <longbyte1> since it uses driveletters
[18:33] <ziltro> In a lot of areas it isn't.
[18:34] <ziltro> Swap isn't mounted on the filesystem.
[18:34] <longbyte1> and not cryptic threeletterwords and abbreviations and I-don't-know-where-to-mount-it-on
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[18:35] <longbyte1> Look, I give up placing a swap drive.
[18:35] <ziltro> I've not seen any RPi O/S yet, as I don't own a RPi yet. They might be more complex than I've used.
[18:35] <longbyte1> Let me get on with making headless computing
[18:35] <longbyte1> what I ACTUALLY WANTED to do with an rpi
[18:36] <ziltro> I don't think that's so hard. Step one: Install SSH server.
[18:36] <ziltro> Done. :)
[18:36] <longbyte1> It's built in raspbian.
[18:36] <longbyte1> sshd
[18:36] <ziltro> Even easier.
[18:36] <longbyte1> Next, install TightVNC.
[18:36] <ziltro> Oh, headless and GUI, okay.
[18:37] <longbyte1> Which I really really need and is going to make things gui related MUCH MUCH easier.
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[18:37] <ziltro> Strangely all of the uses I want to put my RPi/s to are headless or console, so I keep forgetting it can even do graphics.
[18:37] <longbyte1> also, I don't get it. about why kids want to use an rpi..
[18:37] <ziltro> Because it is cool?
[18:38] <longbyte1> Why you can't just use your own computer to code python/scratch/whatevs
[18:38] <ziltro> Because they aren't allowed to, or can't, mess about with any other computer/s they have access to?
[18:38] <longbyte1> Well, that's one reason.
[18:38] <ziltro> Because that might break windowzOMG
[18:38] <MrZYX> because they can let a LED blink :P
[18:38] <ziltro> I don't know, it depends on the situation. But to own your own computer, that's cool.
[18:39] <longbyte1> But if you're using an rpi, it's for learning linux.
[18:39] <longbyte1> And python.
[18:39] <longbyte1> Not scratch.
[18:39] <longbyte1> Or pygame.
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[18:39] <ziltro> I believe the idea is to improve the software...
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[18:44] <longbyte1> wait, what's the unzipper for debian?
[18:44] <longbyte1> unzip
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[18:44] <longbyte1> lol
[18:44] <ziltro> That'll do
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[18:46] <longbyte1> what about an unbzipper
[18:46] <longbyte1> I need to unzip bzip
[18:46] <ziltro> bunzip2
[18:46] <MrZYX> is it a .tar.bz2 or just a .bz2?
[18:46] <ziltro> Or if it it tar.bz2 you might want to do something like 'bzcat file.tar.bz2 | tar xv'
[18:47] <ziltro> x meaning extract, v meaning verbose.
[18:47] <MrZYX> tar xf file should do fine
[18:47] <ziltro> On a compressed file?
[18:47] <MrZYX> yep
[18:47] <ziltro> Or was I using Slackware on a 486 the last time tried that and it didn't work?
[18:47] <MrZYX> tar detects it automatically these days afaik
[18:48] <ziltro> That's pretty nice of it.
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[18:48] <ziltro> Wow it does
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[18:48] <ziltro> I think tha tonly worked on .tar.gz when I tried before. bz2 was new, r not common
[18:49] <ziltro> 'tar tf file.tar.bz2' will show you the contents without extracting it.
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[18:50] <ziltro> I wonder if it supports .xz files as well now.
[18:51] <MrZYX> I think so
[18:52] <ziltro> I wonder what else has become simpler since I last looked...
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[18:52] <ziltro> I do like how in the latest Ubuntu I can plug in my DVB-S2 or DVB-T2 cards and they just work.
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[18:53] <MrZYX> I totally trade a yaourt -Ss and a yaourt -S against reinstalling my OS after each second dist-upgrade :P
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[19:07] <iBooyaa> ?board2 ^____^
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[19:11] <jdeisenberg> I have a 5V, 1A charger. Is this OK to use with a Pi?
[19:11] <jdeisenberg> or is it too high in amperage?
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[19:12] <MrZYX> it's okay
[19:12] <jdeisenberg> Everything else I've read says "5V, 700 mA"
[19:12] <ReggieUK> amperage is pretty irrelevant
[19:12] <jdeisenberg> I just don't want to see blue sparks the first time I plug it in :)
[19:12] <cmug> 700mA minimum, 1000mA is ok
[19:13] <ReggieUK> as long as it can faithfully supply =>700ma @ 5v it'll be fine
[19:13] <jdeisenberg> hmm. new meaning for BSOD: blue sparks of death.
[19:14] <ziltro> As long as the voltage is right there's no "too high" for amps.
[19:14] <ziltro> If you were to buy a 5V 1000A power supply, you might notice it in size, weight and cost. ;)
[19:14] <ziltro> And it probably wouldn't have any kind of USB connector on.
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[19:15] <jdeisenberg> Thank you.
[19:15] <ReggieUK> mine does
[19:15] <longbyte1> Oh yeah
[19:15] <jdeisenberg> Currently unzipping the wheezy-raspbian image.
[19:15] <ReggieUK> and it's still junk
[19:15] <ReggieUK> but that's another story
[19:15] <ziltro> You have a 1000A PSU?
[19:15] <longbyte1> I found out that you can provide reverse power to the rpi
[19:15] <ReggieUK> oh whoops :D
[19:16] <longbyte1> You can power an rpi through the usb slots and not through the microusb
[19:16] <ReggieUK> ?
[19:16] <ReggieUK> no
[19:16] <jdeisenberg> One thing I want to try is processing.js on the Pi to see how well it performs.
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[19:16] <cmug> longbyte1: read the forums, it was mentioned somewhere that you shouldn't do that
[19:16] <longbyte1> I tried using a 2 female 1 male cable
[19:16] <ReggieUK> if you do then you've either circumvented the polyfuse or got lucky enough that they blew so hard that they shorted the usb sockets just right when you did
[19:16] <friggle> jdeisenberg: if you're on Linux, you can just unzip -p 2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.zip | sudo dd of=/dev/whatever bs=4M which is pretty darn handy
[19:17] <ziltro> There's a difference between 'can' and 'should', but that is interesting... :)
[19:17] <jdeisenberg> friggle: Damn, I should have thought of that.
[19:17] <ziltro> I assume you mean power it from the USB type A sockets, as opposed to reverse-voltage?
[19:17] <nid0> longbyte1: its well known that if your hub leaks power upstream itll supply enough power through the sockets to light up the power light on the pi
[19:17] <nid0> but not enough to actually boot it unless as ReggieUK mentioned you mess with the polyfuses
[19:17] <ziltro> Ah okay.
[19:17] <ReggieUK> you are only ever going to manage 280ma back through the usb ports on the pi
[19:17] <ReggieUK> 140ma each
[19:17] <longbyte1> So I put my usb hub on the male, and one female on the rpi, and one female on the usb ac adapter
[19:18] <ReggieUK> over that per port and the polyfuses will start to kick in and the voltage will drop off
[19:18] <longbyte1> And it immediately powered on
[19:19] <nid0> powered on as in the power light came on, or booted?
[19:19] <ReggieUK> not even sure what that last couple of sentences means longbyte1
[19:19] <longbyte1> Both
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[19:19] <jdeisenberg> ReggieUK: it almost sounds like a bad romance novel.
[19:20] <ReggieUK> but powering the pi on the microusb from a hub is probably a bad idea unless you know for sure that it can supply upto 700ma per port
[19:20] <ReggieUK> and I wonder if there won't be some kind of wierd loop situation going on too
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[19:21] <ziltro> I assume the text console works on the RCA port?
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[19:22] <longbyte1> Let me put together a picture for you
[19:23] <ReggieUK> not necessary :)
[19:24] <ReggieUK> whilst I believe you have gotten it working, seeing a picture will not convince me it's a good idea :)
[19:24] <ziltro> Unless it is a picture of an elephant riding a unicycle. That would be pretty cool.
[19:24] * plugwash wonders if it's possible to run the Pi on 3.3V only
[19:24] <ReggieUK> it'd be cool but again, not sure if it's a good idea
[19:24] <ReggieUK> especially if you're a unicycle
[19:24] <ziltro> Luckily I'm not.
[19:24] <jdeisenberg> oh damn. my connector from the charger is mini usb, not micro usb :(
[19:25] <longbyte1> I would need two power sources one way or another
[19:25] <ziltro> How many amps can a micro USB connector handle?
[19:25] <longbyte1> since my usb applicances cease to work with only one
[19:25] <ReggieUK> plugwash, wouldn't you need to use 5v for Vusb?
[19:25] <ziltro> Its like we're using nearly 1 amp on the smallest USB connector available
[19:26] <ReggieUK> it'll be fine
[19:26] <ziltro> I'm just curious what the maximum is.
[19:26] <plugwash> ReggieUK, sure if you want USB perhipherals
[19:26] <nid0> ziltro: in theory microusb is rated to a max of 2 amps
[19:26] <ziltro> Would the ethernet chip require 5v? That is USB.
[19:26] <longbyte1> http://filesmelt.com/dl/altacrpisupply.png
[19:26] <plugwash> ziltro, No the ethernet chip runs off 3.3V
[19:27] <mjr> such integrated usb peripherals often use 3.3V despite using the USB protocol
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[19:27] <ziltro> Mmm I wodner what else needs 5v then...
[19:28] <ReggieUK> nothing
[19:28] <ziltro> GPIOs are all 3.3v aren't they? Including presumably the GPIOs used for audio output?
[19:28] <longbyte1> *note that I used this: http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://i.ebayimg.com/t/OEM-USB-Y-Adapter-2-Male-1-Female-Data-Cable-3ft-/09/!B93CUbwB2k~$(KGrHqN,!g8EzegYPUbEBM7!W1t4)g~~_35.GIF&sa=X&ei=MUMIUMq9KqOc2AWdnu3QBA&ved=0CAkQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNG28U0xsmuWr0WF3nstOrxgqPT8dA
[19:28] <longbyte1> oops
[19:28] <ReggieUK> just Vusb and the ldo's need whatever they need above their output to run
[19:28] <Stoob> ziltro: the minimum rating for the micro usb connector to meet specifications is 1.8A
[19:28] <plugwash> The SOCs "battery" pin is connected to the 5V rail too
[19:28] <Stoob> in other words, a microusb connector must be able to support at least 1.8Amps
[19:29] <plugwash> I suspect it will be fine with 3.3V on the "battery" pin but we have no documentation to confirm/refute that
[19:29] <ziltro> Is that for battery voltage monitoring?
[19:29] <Stoob> (and that's just for the power contacts)
[19:29] <ReggieUK> now I've seen that picture I'm even more confused
[19:29] <ziltro> I think 3.2v is the lowest a LiIon cell should run at.
[19:30] <plugwash> AIUI there is a switched mode converter inside the SOC that supplies the core voltage
[19:30] <plugwash> and it's powered through the "battery" pin
[19:30] <Stoob> ziltro: http://193.219.66.80/datasheets/usb_20/Micro-USB_final/Micro-USB_1_01.pdf Check out "Contact Current Rating"
[19:30] <plugwash> ziltro, yeah that is what I was thinking too
[19:31] <ReggieUK> hmmn, well, having studied that picture, all I can say is, if it's working, it's more by luck than judgement :)
[19:31] <longbyte1> http://tiny.cc/8sephw
[19:31] <longbyte1> This is the cable I'm using.
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[19:32] <ziltro> Ah, it makes sense eseeing that cable. ;)
[19:33] <MrZYX> still the polyfuses shouldn't allow enough current
[19:34] <nid0> I would like to see an actual photo of this actually working with the actual pi and evidence that its fully booted, rather than just 10 seconds in paint :)
[19:34] <longbyte1> 5 minutes*
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[19:34] <ziltro> Maybe an HD video. With narration, and subtitles.
[19:35] <MrZYX> and multimeters everywhere!
[19:35] <longbyte1> well sorry, number 1 I just got set up the headless config, and number 2 I'm out of time
[19:35] <longbyte1> And number 3 I don't have a multimeter afaik
[19:35] <ziltro> Filmed on a table on the beach.
[19:36] <longbyte1> okay
[19:36] <longbyte1> well
[19:36] <Gadgetoid> Oh look, someone actually died because some of our stupid local councils think turning off street lights at midnight is a good idea
[19:36] <ziltro> With cheerleaders in teh background.
[19:36] <longbyte1> I gotta go
[19:37] <ziltro> I used to live in a vllage which had almost no street lights.
[19:37] <nid0> Gadgetoid: source?
[19:37] <Gadgetoid> nid0: news on the tellybox
[19:37] <ziltro> It had three, but we ignore them.
[19:37] <ziltro> So I always carry a torch now.
[19:37] <ziltro> Torches have got to be cheaper than street lamps.
[19:37] <ziltro> Even mine which take LiIon cells.
[19:38] <longbyte1> Bye
[19:38] <ziltro> Also, street lights can turn off at any time during a power cut.
[19:38] <longbyte1> And I'll show you a video when I get back with my digital dinosaur eyes.
[19:38] <longbyte1> (old camera)
[19:38] <ziltro> You own dinasaur eyes?!
[19:38] <Gadgetoid> Staggering home drunk at 1AM is a British institution which deserves to be protected by ample lighting
[19:39] <ziltro> I mean ???
[19:39] <longbyte1> Or my cell phone.
[19:39] <ziltro> Oh, a drunkard died... That's different.
[19:39] <longbyte1> Bye.
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[19:39] <Gadgetoid> ziltro: It didn't actually say he was drunk, but that would be my reason for preferring the streetlights on
[19:39] <ziltro> So they don't dent your car?
[19:40] <Gadgetoid> Do they even consider the environmental impact from the increased use of Taxis, rather than simply walking home on drunk-power
[19:40] <nid0> increased use of taxis is increased use of Public Transport though and is therefore by default a Good Thing
[19:40] <nid0> at least, if you're a councillor.
[19:40] <Gadgetoid> nid0: Ayoo!
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[19:41] <Gadgetoid> They're now doing the sane thing and installing LED bulbs
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[19:41] <ziltro> So if I use a taxi I'm Saving The Planet????
[19:41] <Stoob> brb stealing the LEDs
[19:41] <nid0> in fairness most of norwich has been getting entirely new street lights over the past year or so
[19:41] <Gadgetoid> Stoob: good idea, that's got to make for a good Pi project!
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[19:41] <lenz> Hi
[19:41] <ziltro> Yeah we have a ton of new street lighting down here too.
[19:41] <Gadgetoid> nid0: Ours are pretty new, but not LED to my knowledge
[19:42] <lenz> folks, i need help
[19:42] <lenz> i just got PI
[19:42] <ziltro> Mostly flourescant I think, on residential streets, high-pressure-sodium on main roads.
[19:42] <Gadgetoid> Street lights certainly don't need to be as bright as they are, either
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[19:42] <Gadgetoid> lenz: hurrah!
[19:42] <jdeisenberg> Congratulations, lenz!
[19:42] <lenz> Thnx Gadgetoid
[19:42] <lenz> thnx jdeisenberg
[19:42] <nid0> most of my house uses led bulbs, i'm Doing My Bit \o/
[19:42] <lenz> but ))))
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[19:43] <lenz> when I'm power it up
[19:43] <Gadgetoid> There's always a but :D
[19:43] <lenz> i have no ethernet
[19:43] <lenz> and no usb
[19:43] <lenz> I saw it on forums
[19:43] <Gadgetoid> lenz: Do you have a display connected at all? have you verified it's even booting?
[19:43] <Gadgetoid> (must ask the dumb questions first!)
[19:43] <ziltro> The ethernet is connected to USB.
[19:43] <rm> "I Have No Network And I Must Stream"
[19:44] <lenz> Gadgetoid , I have no hdmi monitor
[19:44] <MrZYX> so, lets do the standard question: what's your power supply rated?
[19:44] <lenz> but
[19:44] <Gadgetoid> MrZYX: That would be the next one :D
[19:44] <lenz> when I'm connecting to the AV connector, there is also no video
[19:44] <Gadgetoid> lenz: What lights come on and, indeed, what power supply are you using?
[19:44] <lenz> MrZYX , 5v 350ma
[19:44] <Gadgetoid> 350!!!!?
[19:45] <lenz> too low?
[19:45] <jdeisenberg> lenz: we were just discussing that sort of thing :)
[19:45] <Gadgetoid> Yeah??? a little...
[19:45] <nid0> so your pi isnt even booting.
[19:45] <ziltro> That'll power the power LED just fine.
[19:45] <Gadgetoid> ziltro: Ayooo!
[19:45] <nid0> your pi needs a barest absolute minimum of about 450ma to boot, assuming you have no usb or ethernet plugged in
[19:45] <lenz> hehe
[19:45] <nid0> add 100ma ish for each of the three ports in use
[19:45] <Gadgetoid> lenz: Simply put, you want a supply that will deliver on promises of 1A or higher to be safe
[19:45] <lenz> guys ))) its bad ????
[19:45] <lenz> :D
[19:46] <rm> and multiply the result by 2
[19:46] <rm> for good measure :)
[19:46] <lenz> Gadgetoid , I have 7v 1a
[19:46] <lenz> that will be ok?
[19:46] <ReggieUK> no
[19:46] <Gadgetoid> rm: if you're going anything over GPIO, yay!
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[19:46] <Gadgetoid> lenz: Nopenopenopenope!
[19:46] <ReggieUK> unless you like smokeypi
[19:46] <Gadgetoid> lenz: 5v!
[19:46] <lenz> Gadgetoid , thnx friend!
[19:46] <Gadgetoid> I wonder if a Pi would just vaporise with 7v...
[19:46] <lenz> thnx all you guys!
[19:47] <Gadgetoid> Again, DAMN YOU MICRO USB, DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
[19:47] <nid0> where dyou get a 7v microusb charger from anyway :s
[19:47] <rm> I once plugged in a 9V AC adapter into a device that takes 9V DC
[19:47] <lenz> nid0, it's not microusb
[19:47] <rm> it made a bzzzhhhh sound
[19:47] <jdeisenberg> I will have to go to Central Computer and buy a mini->micro adapter.
[19:47] <rm> but did not burn out
[19:47] <lenz> i can reassemble it
[19:47] <ziltro> DodgyGoods.com?
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[19:47] <hetii> Hi :>
[19:48] <jdeisenberg> Central Computer == local store where I live. They have just about every kind of adapter you could imagine.
[19:48] <jdeisenberg> hi hetii.
[19:48] <lenz> by the way, whu I can not power up PI from my laptop's usb?
[19:48] <nid0> you can
[19:48] <ziltro> I ordered some PSUs from RS wehn I ordered my Pis. Apparently they do 1.2A, which is nice.
[19:48] <Gadgetoid> lenz: In theory you should be able to, depends how good your laptop is
[19:48] <nid0> assuming you arent in turn loading the pi down with usb devices
[19:48] <lenz> this source is also has low amperage?
[19:48] <Gadgetoid> Some do admittedly suck at delivering a decent amount of currant
[19:48] <ziltro> But I ordered the Europlug version rather then BS1363, because they were cheaper.
[19:49] <hetii> i successful run my Pi board at 1050 MHz ;) after that i read on the wiki that SoC had warranty bit, that i set when someone play with over voltage settings :)
[19:49] <ziltro> A computer's USB port should be able to deliver 500mA.
[19:50] <lenz> Gadgetoid. I have a lot of adapters, will try to find 5v!
[19:50] <lenz> Thank you all friends!
[19:50] <jdeisenberg> have to go to a meeting. Thanks for the information, everyone.
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[19:50] <plugwash> Gadgetoid, the Pi has some protection but it's meant as a last ditch measure and is not gauranteed to stop damage
[19:50] <rm> afaik some standard says that full 500mA are only to be provided if a device registers itself as an USB device
[19:50] <hetii> but whatever... as far as i see on schematic audio output is done just by using pwm :(
[19:50] <rm> not over a dumb power-only connection
[19:50] <plugwash> rm, that is BS
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[19:51] <plugwash> devices aren't meant to pull more than 100ma without enumerating first but there is no requirement for hosts to enforce that
[19:51] <hetii> what is their resolution and what about using some gpio for microphone ?
[19:51] <nid0> rm, in theory power over 100ma needs to be negotiated from a data port but its generally not enforced
[19:51] <rm> right
[19:52] <ziltro> hetii: That's what I've heard. Does overclocking make the audio faster? :)
[19:52] <oldtopman> hrm
[19:53] <hetii> ziltro: lol :> xbmc works better :D
[19:53] <oldtopman> Does anybody need an rpi?
[19:53] <ziltro> I /want/ one, but I have some on order.
[19:53] <hetii> oldtopman: you can send me one if you had to much of them:>
[19:53] <oldtopman> I'll sell mine for $55+shipping
[19:53] <MrZYX> you can have enough?
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[19:55] <ziltro> Wow, RS orders have gone up to 19 weeks delivery time. They were at 11 weeks when I ordered.
[19:55] <nid0> thats probably because theyve just opened up to general + multiple orders and probably suddenly had another 6 figures of orders come in
[19:57] <plugwash> I've also noticed that for multiple orders RS are CONSIDERABLY cheaper than farnell
[19:57] <ziltro> Farnell didn't have multiple orders when I looked.
[19:57] <ziltro> But you could presumably order again and again
[19:57] <ziltro> And they might combine deliverty but who knows.
[19:58] <rm> RS is a mess
[19:58] <rm> pi.rsdelivers.com redirects me to a country selection now
[19:58] <plugwash> ziltro, at least for the UK farnell always roll delivery into the price of the products, they don't charge it seperately
[19:58] <rm> but http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/default.aspx?cl=1 does not
[19:58] <plugwash> and they are offering no volume discounts on the Pi according to their websites
[19:58] <rm> 1st site has the Pi 1.5x more expensive than the 2nd
[19:59] <ziltro> plugwash: RS delivery stayed the same no matter how much I ordered...
[19:59] <plugwash> ziltro, indeed it does
[19:59] <plugwash> which means for single units farnell are slightly cheaper but for large orders RS are consdierablly cheaper
[19:59] <ziltro> I suspect my Farnll order won't arrive. I think they asked for the cardholder address and I geve the delivery address.
[20:00] <ziltro> Also there's no gurantee on either that it won't be sign-for.
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[20:01] <ziltro> There should be tax-free RPis available, for payment in cash or bitcoin.
[20:01] <hetii> hmm on the board i see few FD pad but they are not exist on schematic.
[20:01] <hetii> Did someone know for what their are?
[20:01] <ziltro> Floppy Drive?
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[20:03] <akSeya> hey
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[20:06] <lenz> Gadgetoid. and Ethernet will turn on after system will boot?
[20:06] <plugwash> hetii, the are fiducal marks
[20:06] <plugwash> used to line things up during production
[20:07] <hetii> plugwash: thx, i suspect that could be something like that :>
[20:08] <Gadgetoid> lenz: you may or may not need to copy the latest firmware onto your SD card, depending on what OS image you use
[20:08] <hetii> ok, after few hours of play i can said that Pi is a nice toy, but to using it for something useful a lot of programming work need to be done :(
[20:09] <Gadgetoid> and what SD card, too!
[20:09] <Gadgetoid> hetii: isnt that the point?
[20:10] <w0m> hetii: what's your idea of, "useful"?
[20:10] <ziltro> For me useful would be mpd+ncmpcpp, or ssh + rdiff-backup.
[20:10] <ziltro> Those being two main uses I have thought up so far.
[20:10] <lenz> Gadgetoid. i boutht only board, withouth sdcard and power supply.
[20:11] <peba> plugwash: is someone working on offloading X to the GPU, how is it proceeding ?
[20:11] <Gadgetoid> the Pi, for me, has been a useful catalyst for learning!
[20:11] <hetii> well... in my case something like widi or some simple linux thin client with web browser :)
[20:11] <Gadgetoid> lenz: it wont do much without an SD card, ie: it will do precisely nothing
[20:11] <plugwash> peba, dunno i've heard some people are trying but I dunno if they are having any success
[20:11] <Gadgetoid> lenz: but most cards will do, if you have one kicking about
[20:11] <lenz> Gadgetoid. i boutht only board, I know, i had prepared SD card with debian
[20:12] <ziltro> Like a PC with no hard disk or 'BIOS'
[20:12] <Gadgetoid> lenz: aha, if its the old debian image I'd recommend dumping the latest firmware in boot, to pre-empt any compatibility issues
[20:13] <lenz> Gadgetoid. I prefer to use gentoo on this board :)
[20:13] <lenz> Gentoo is tiny and fast I think
[20:13] <Gadgetoid> lenz: good luck! Gentoo still gives me nightmares of screens with lines of compiling nonsense whizzing past for hours
[20:13] <lenz> but at first , I must resolve the power problem )))
[20:14] <hetii> what about using directfb as bridge for window manager ?
[20:14] <lenz> Gadgetoid, thnx! :)
[20:14] <hetii> did someone play with it already ?
[20:14] <lenz> now i tried to use 4/5v source
[20:14] <Gadgetoid> dead god, the iPad 3 screen shows its colours when you remote contol a 2560x1440 desktop??? its so beautiful!
[20:14] <Gadgetoid> errr??? dear god!
[20:14] <lenz> but anyway ... it does not work
[20:15] <lenz> *4,5V
[20:15] <Gadgetoid> 4/5v? which is it? 4 or 5?
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[20:15] <friggle> hetii: https://plus.google.com/109054407220184149542/posts/PGEHcHazRow yes but they haven't really shared
[20:15] <MrZYX> he means 4.5
[20:15] <Gadgetoid> err??? yeah. you want exactly 5v!!
[20:16] <dirty_d> anyone have any working GPIO code and want to try a kernel module i made?
[20:16] <ziltro> Would 4.5v with enough current not work? I mean it might not power external USB devices, but wouldn't everything onboard work?
[20:16] <Gadgetoid> dirty_d: does the module make working GPIO code not work?
[20:16] <dirty_d> its for userspace gpio pin change interrupts via signal handlers
[20:17] <Gadgetoid> ziltro: I'd hate to think what 4.5v would do, depends how voltage is split to run the CPU
[20:17] <dirty_d> Gadgetoid, i been able to use it yet because im at work
[20:18] <Gadgetoid> Sounds awesome! sadly I, too, have no time :(
[20:18] <dirty_d> id need it write a userspace program also that sets up the GPIO and interrupt registers
[20:18] <Gadgetoid> sounds a lot like what Gordon has done recently, the more the merrier!
[20:19] <plugwash> ziltro, it might
[20:19] <plugwash> it almost certainly would if you replaced the 3.3V regulator with an ultra low dropout model
[20:20] <plugwash> I strongly suspect you could also replace the 3.3V regulator with a wire link and run off 3.3V
[20:21] <hetii> hmm
[20:22] <hetii> but the external devices that are connected to Pi usb don`t use 3.3v but are connected direct into 5v bus via fuses.
[20:23] <plugwash> Sure I was just talking about running the Pi itself
[20:23] <lenz> Gadgetoid, Ifound 5v power supply
[20:23] <Walther> I'm currently using the Hexxeh Raspbian image. Are there reasons why I should dd the newest "recommended" image?
[20:23] <plugwash> external devices are another matter
[20:23] <lenz> Gadgetoid, trying to power on it
[20:23] <lenz> but no result yet...
[20:23] <lenz> power led is on (red)
[20:24] <Gadgetoid> Walther: only your own curiosity at the moment, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
[20:24] <Walther> Gadgetoid: so there shouldn't be any major preformancfe improvements or?
[20:25] <hetii> Walther: i run this today and it works fine: http://www.berryterminal.com/doku.php/rasprazor
[20:26] <Gadgetoid> Walther: I very much doubt it, I'd wait it out at the moment??? the choices change week to week
[20:26] <Gadgetoid> lenz: replace your fat boot partition contents with this: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[20:27] <Gadgetoid> Latest SD fixes sometimes help get a freshly minted SD to boot, then you can install ri-update and get the latest modules
[20:27] <Gadgetoid> rpi-update, even!
[20:28] <lenz> thnx! will try
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[20:31] <nid0> has the nightly firmware been fixed?
[20:32] <nid0> if not, dont do an rpi-update imo
[20:32] <Gadgetoid> what's borken?
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[20:33] <nid0> theres a regression of some kind in the sd fixes, I ran an rpi-update on raspbian yesterday and ended up with a crushingly slow pi, far worse than even before the sd fixes
[20:34] <nid0> reverted to the start.elf from 5 days ago which is in the raspbian image, and all was good
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[20:35] <hetii> btw i read somewhere that there is some power issue with SD interface in PI that don`t allow switch it on fastest mode.
[20:35] <hetii> Did someone know more about this issue ?
[20:38] <ReggieUK> yes
[20:38] <ReggieUK> it will never be fixed on the current board revision
[20:38] <ReggieUK> no amount of driver fiddling will change that
[20:38] <ReggieUK> no idea whether it will ever be fixed in any subsequent board revisions either
[20:39] <NucWin> is a fix hackable?>
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[20:39] <dirty_d> whats the actual problem?
[20:40] <ReggieUK> sure, if you can design a way to get the appropriate voltage to the sd card at the right time, probably fixup all the driver fixes that were fixed to make the newer cards work at the higher voltages :)
[20:40] <ReggieUK> apart from that, not much
[20:41] <hetii> ReggieUK: as i assume the voltage cannot be set staticly ?
[20:41] <dirty_d> the voltages changes?
[20:41] <dirty_d> i was thinking a supply voltage problem
[20:41] <friggle> it's the signalling voltage
[20:42] <dirty_d> what is it and what is it supposed to be?
[20:42] <friggle> dirty_d: high speed cards would like to switch down to 1.8V
[20:43] <hetii> we can add additional driver between SD slot and board :)
[20:43] <dirty_d> so wouldnt a voltage divider do the trick?
[20:43] <ReggieUK> not as simple as that
[20:43] <dirty_d> or does it have to start at the higher voltage and switch after you put it in "high speed mode"
[20:44] <ReggieUK> it's got to know when to change the voltage and have a method to switch from 3.3 to 1.8v
[20:44] <dirty_d> perhaps a few transistors resistors and driven by some gpio lines
[20:44] <hetii> i want to definitely try to build this hack and check if it will increase IO performance.
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[20:45] <hetii> need info about with module was touch to switch it on low mode and any other useful information if you had about it.
[20:46] <Leestons> Got my PI today :D, my power supply has a different end so can't use it :( Luck just isn't on my side.
[20:46] <ReggieUK> it'll be the mmc driver hetii
[20:47] <ReggieUK> and not really much other information apart from reading the sd spec. to see how it does it for the different cards
[20:47] <ReggieUK> you might actually get performance out of it using the squeeze image
[20:47] <hetii> why squeeze ?
[20:47] <dirty_d> i think it would be a lot easier just to switch the rootfs over from the sd to an external hdd
[20:48] <ReggieUK> because that would be the image that was released before anyone started fixing the drivers
[20:48] <hetii> ahh ok .
[20:49] <dirty_d> shouldnt you be able to change cmdline.txt to set the root to an external hdd?
[20:49] <ReggieUK> yup
[20:49] <ReggieUK> usb hdds aren't necessarily practical though
[20:49] <hetii> ok need to read more about sd spec to see what exactly and when the driver try set to build proper proxy interface :)
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[20:49] <ReggieUK> some people do have fast SD cards
[20:49] <dirty_d> ReggieUK, or a flash drive
[20:50] <dirty_d> how does SD speed compare to a flash drive
[20:50] <ReggieUK> sd speed is ~20MB/s max with the current drivers (won't get any faster than that either)
[20:50] <ReggieUK> no idea on a flash drive
[20:51] <hetii> ReggieUK: well my card in write have around 5Mb/s
[20:51] <ReggieUK> nothing will help that poor fella then
[20:51] <hetii> and as we can see on wiki only one card had there around 20MB/s
[20:52] <ReggieUK> no
[20:52] <hetii> btw not cheap one.
[20:52] <ReggieUK> again no
[20:52] <hetii> ?
[20:52] <hetii> :)
[20:52] <ReggieUK> plenty of people reported that their cards worked faster than 5MB/s
[20:52] <ReggieUK> ignore the wiki, it's probably wrong
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[20:53] <ReggieUK> well, don't totally ignore it but take anything on there with a pinch of salt unless you can confirm it yourself :)
[20:53] <hetii> yep so i confirm that i`m not in lucky group:)
[20:54] <ReggieUK> which distro are you using?
[20:54] <ReggieUK> as there may have been an issue recently with SD drivers in teh firmware
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[20:55] <hetii> this test i made on http://www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/
[20:56] <ReggieUK> might be worth trying raspbian wheezy official as it will have had all of the fixes in it up to a few days ago
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[20:57] <hetii> ok few TODO for my PI, glue additional radiator, build proxy hardware for sdcard for power issue, check system speed from USB dongle. See if some GPIO can be used for MIC input ;>
[20:59] <Leestons> additional radiator? I thought they didn't get hot at all
[20:59] <hetii> ahh and i forgot, clone myself to have a time to do all of those things :)
[20:59] <Leestons> will be able to find out myself when my power supply arrives on Saturday
[20:59] <hetii> my board will be overclocek to 1050Mhz :>
[20:59] <Leestons> ahh makes sense.
[21:00] <hetii> general my board will be mounted inside LCD screen so i can use his case as a radiator :)
[21:00] <hetii> but we will see :>
[21:01] <Leestons> I knew the Pi's were small but it's hard to realise just how much until you actually see it
[21:02] <Leestons> I was amazed when I first saw mine today
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[21:03] <passstab> what do i use to make a webcam into IP cam via RPI?
[21:03] <theladdie> hey guys
[21:03] <hetii> well for geeks like i prefer to get such board without soldered connectors:)
[21:04] <hetii> now i suppose will need solder them out if will put it screen :(
[21:04] <ReggieUK> you should see the prototype usb stick versions Leestons
[21:04] <hetii> theladdie: hi :)
[21:04] <ziltro> I believe the GPIO connectors weren't meant to be soldered.
[21:04] <ReggieUK> much smaller :D
[21:05] <ReggieUK> with a camera on them just to make sure you know how cool they are
[21:05] <ziltro> Hmm, I wonder if it would be possible to convert the audio output from stereo to balanced?
[21:05] <hetii> ?
[21:05] <ziltro> There's too many cameras in this country already; we don't need more.
[21:05] <theladdie> anyone know the full specs for the camera?
[21:05] <NucWin> lol
[21:05] <hetii> hehe :D
[21:05] <ReggieUK> no one knows the full spec for the camera
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[21:06] <ReggieUK> not even the foundation yet
[21:06] <theladdie> hah
[21:06] <ziltro> Instead of left & right, set the PWM so that one 'channel' is always teh opposite to the other.
[21:06] <theladdie> I was thinking of putting a webcam on the pi and sit it out the window... have it timelapse untill my drive is full
[21:06] <hetii> yep but why you need such things :)?
[21:07] <ReggieUK> can't you just set the output to mono?
[21:07] <ziltro> That would be unbalanced.
[21:07] <ziltro> I want balanced stereo, but that would of course require using more GPIO pins and filtering.
[21:07] <ziltro> I want balanced because that's the way things are done in professional audio... :)
[21:08] * Walther highfives ziltro
[21:08] <Walther> Now what are you doing, exactly?
[21:08] <ziltro> Balanced mono as a software hack would be fun.
[21:08] <hetii> ach seeee:) profesionall audio from PWM :D
[21:08] <ziltro> Yes. haha
[21:08] <ReggieUK> but how does making one pwm do the opposite of the other make it balanced stereo?
[21:08] <ziltro> I'm doing... Amateur dramatics. which is about as unprofessional as you can get.
[21:09] <ziltro> ReggieUK: That would be balanced mono.
[21:09] <ziltro> I want to create a music playing flight case with a pair of RPis and a screen and keyboard and balanced outputs.
[21:10] <ziltro> So both boxes play exactly the same thign at the same time, so if one dies I can eaily switch over to the other.
[21:10] <hetii> one dies ?
[21:10] <ziltro> Yes. Crashes, flash drive dies, catches fire, whatever.
[21:10] <hetii> why they will dies ?:)
[21:11] <hetii> hmm
[21:11] <ziltro> I don't want to be mid-show with no way to play the music.
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[21:11] <ziltro> Everything dies. :)
[21:11] <Gadget-Mac> ziltro: you can get convertor boxes from non balanced, to balanced.
[21:11] <ReggieUK> you don't have enough pwms to do balanced stereo
[21:11] <Gadget-Mac> Or of course just connect to a balanced input directly
[21:12] <ziltro> Mmm, I'm just curious.
[21:12] <ziltro> I might get something to convert, which I believe is basically a transformer.
[21:12] <ziltro> Or for ??30 you can get a USB stereo in/out sound card with balanced XLRs on.
[21:13] <Gadget-Mac> How close to the mixer are you planning on putting the pi ?
[21:13] <ReggieUK> yeah, at ??30 that sounds real pro :)
[21:13] <ziltro> I'm not /very/ professional yet. ;)
[21:13] <hetii> ziltro: do i undrestand you correctly you you only need that to have backup of your player/
[21:13] <hetii> ?
[21:13] <ziltro> hetii: Yeah. At the moment I have two laptops.
[21:14] <ziltro> Balanced audio is more of a would-be-nice.
[21:14] <ziltro> It isn't going to be far from the mixer usually I shouldn't think.
[21:14] <hetii> why you don`t simple mix audio from both board ?
[21:14] <ReggieUK> why do you feel you neeeed balanced?
[21:14] <ReggieUK> do you have noise issues?
[21:14] <ziltro> It is more want than need.
[21:14] <ziltro> Balanced is cool.
[21:14] <Gadget-Mac> balanced is really only useful on long microphone runs
[21:14] <ziltro> And means I get to use XLRs.
[21:15] <Gadget-Mac> What like this http://www.soundware.co.uk/sc/products/Hosa%20Pro%20Microphone%20Cable%20Dual%20Female%20XLR%20to%20Minijack%202Ft%20CYX402F%20
[21:15] <Walther> XLR is instant +3 charisma, no matter what
[21:15] <ziltro> hetii: The audio from each board would go into a different channel on teh mixer, so I only activate one channel at once.
[21:15] <ReggieUK> XLR's another want rather than need :)
[21:15] <Walther> Sure, they're actually *useful* for some things, but... yeah
[21:16] <Walther> even though wants != needs, sometimes wants > needs
[21:16] <ReggieUK> I just wonder whether the pi's analog audio is ever going to be good enough for essentially broadcast quality
[21:16] <ziltro> Also XLR cables are designed to survive being thrown about and stepped on a bit better than otehr connectors
[21:16] <hetii> yep :D
[21:17] <ziltro> Gadget-Mac: With pins instead of holes, but yeah that would get XLRs.
[21:17] <lenz> Guys
[21:17] <ziltro> This is all in theory anyway at the moment, I have no Pi.
[21:17] <lenz> I tried everything
[21:17] <Gadget-Mac> ReggieUK: never
[21:17] <lenz> 5v power supply 1200ma
[21:18] <lenz> arch linux, raspbian
[21:18] <lenz> device does not work
[21:18] <lenz> only red light of power light (red) is on
[21:18] <lenz> and i see a little green (ok)
[21:19] <lenz> device is damaged?
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[21:23] <lenz> also no signal from RCA connector
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[21:25] <lenz> also question
[21:25] <lenz> maybe that is because the compact flash is damaged?
[21:25] <ReggieUK> hard to tell
[21:25] <ReggieUK> have you measured teh voltage between tp1/tp2?
[21:26] <lenz> no, I will do it tommorow
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[21:27] <lenz> I don't have amper metter
[21:27] <Gadget-Mac> You do of course mean SD card ?
[21:27] <lenz> Sorry, SD card
[21:27] <lenz> you are right
[21:27] <Gadget-Mac> Have you tried a different card ?
[21:27] <lenz> no
[21:28] <lenz> I have only one
[21:28] <lenz> by the way
[21:28] <lenz> the card must be readably after flashing?
[21:28] <lenz> i can not mount it on my linux notebook
[21:28] <lenz> on windows it shows me raw partition
[21:29] <ziltro> Windows won't know what to do , but Linux should mount it.
[21:29] <ziltro> Actually, shouldn't windows mount the FAT partition?
[21:29] <lenz> mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt ?
[21:29] <lenz> right?
[21:29] <ziltro> And show that there are (at least) two?
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[21:29] <ziltro> That should do something, assuming it is sdb
[21:30] <ziltro> Might want to try /dev/sdb2 as well.
[21:30] <Gadget-Mac> lenz: how are you writing the image to the card ?
[21:30] <ziltro> Of course I am sort of guessing here, as I have never done this yet.
[21:30] <lenz> Gadget-Mac, yes, using dd
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[21:30] <Walther> Sounds like you might have dd'd to a partition instead of the drive
[21:30] <ziltro> Did you dd to /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1?
[21:30] <Gadget-Mac> Indeed
[21:30] <Walther> ^that
[21:30] <Gadget-Mac> Cut and paste the dd command if possible
[21:31] <lenz> ziltro to sdb1
[21:31] <ziltro> lenz: There's the problem then. :)
[21:31] <lenz> heh
[21:31] <lenz> I must to /dev/sdb?
[21:31] <ziltro> Surely copy & paste - leave it on the web site for everyone else to see? ;)
[21:31] <Gadget-Mac> detail detail
[21:32] <lenz> dd bs=1M if=/home/lenz/archlinuxarm-13-06-2012/archlinuxarm-13-06-2012.img of=/dev/sdb1
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[21:32] <ziltro> The image is of an entire disk, right?
[21:32] <ziltro> If so then yes, /dev/sdb.
[21:32] <NucWin> yes
[21:32] <Walther> Not the first time I noticed someone had this issue :)
[21:33] <ziltro> Might need to create a "Problem solving" flowchart.
[21:33] <lenz> ziltro , dont know, i copied it from site
[21:33] <lenz> and i can not mount it
[21:34] <ziltro> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi
[21:34] <ziltro> dd bs=1M if=/path/to/archlinuxarm-13-06-2012.img of=/dev/sdX
[21:34] <ziltro> It should be just '/dev/sdb'.
[21:35] <lenz> ziltro, thnx!
[21:35] <lenz> will try now!
[21:35] <ziltro> Okay, good luck. :)
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[21:35] <lenz> also, may be this is cause why the video and usb does not work?
[21:36] <ziltro> From what I have read the first thing the CPU/GPU does is looks for a FAT partition on the SD card. If it can't find out it is unlikely to do anything else at all.
[21:36] <Gadget-Mac> ziltro: you are correct
[21:36] <Walther> Is an old IDE cable good for the GPIO?
[21:36] <lenz> thnx guys!
[21:36] <lenz> you save my nerves )))
[21:36] <Walther> no problem
[21:37] <lenz> because I had wait for 4 months )
[21:37] <lenz> and today I just got PI
[21:37] <ziltro> Walther: a 40-wire cable should be, but an 80-wire cable probably not.
[21:37] <ziltro> A floppy cable should work okay too, if you don't use the bit after the twist, or cut that off.
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[21:38] <Walther> ziltro: this is from an old computer, the kind of cable that you can physically put the wrong way around and wonder why your cd drive doesn't work
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[21:38] <aaa801> why is android soo slow on the pi q_q
[21:39] <ziltro> Walther: Then it should be alright. :)
[21:39] <Walther> next question would be, what awesome to do with it :P
[21:39] <ziltro> The 80-wire cables have ground on every other wire. I don't know how they are connected internally. They might all be connected together, which would be issuesome.
[21:39] <Walther> A virtual theremin could be nice
[21:39] <ziltro> Walther: Missile guidance control.
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[21:40] <ziltro> Or controls for the head-mounted frickin' laser beam on a shark.
[21:40] <ziltro> Requirements: 1 Laser. 1 Shark.
[21:42] <Walther> Does anyone know if it would be possible to make a digital theremin out of the Pi+
[21:42] <Walther> add two antennas to gpio and let the sound chip sing
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[21:42] <ziltro> Sound chip = GPIOs. ;)
[21:43] <ReggieUK> not true
[21:43] <ziltro> No?
[21:43] <ReggieUK> it's got it's onboard stuff that it can output to hdmi
[21:43] <ziltro> GPIOs + filtering?
[21:43] <ziltro> Oh, yes, HDMI.
[21:43] <ziltro> I forget about this.
[21:43] <ReggieUK> there is also i2s on the board too
[21:43] <ReggieUK> but not brought out directly to gpio (well, not all of the pins)
[21:43] <ziltro> So it is almost useful?
[21:43] <ReggieUK> but it would be possible for someone smart enough to add a real codec chip to the pi
[21:44] <Walther> ...so is that all tech babble a yes or a no?
[21:44] <Walther> :P
[21:44] <ziltro> I don't know how a theremin works.
[21:44] <hetii> as i suppose hard float binarie is not used on official wheeze ?
[21:44] <Simon-> Walther: the inputs are digital not analogue
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[21:45] <Walther> Simon-: any way to fake it?
[21:45] <Walther> proximity sensors? lasers?
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[21:47] <ziltro> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theremin They sound like very analogue electronice.
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[21:50] <Walther> ziltro: indeed, I was just wondering whether it would be feasible to build a digital one using Pi
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> theremin used radio frequencies and capacitive effects of the hand waving... I suppose if you tried hard enough you could outputs radio wave via suitable buffer/amplifier and capture the varyance with a Pi, but I'm not sure how you'd do the capure... in the real one the signal was sort of self generating
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> there was a light sensitive one published in an electronics mag when I was a teenager... but I think that simply used an LDR to affect the frequency of a single oscillator.
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[21:52] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, i put together a kernel module that should send the user process a SIGUSR1 signal when a GPIO interrupt occurs http://cisweb.bristolcc.edu/~klabs/sigtest.tar.bz2
[21:52] <dirty_d> the registers would have to be setup first though in the userspace program
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[21:53] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, ah, intersting.
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> you've obviously had more time than me to play :)
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> although I've just been to exeter museum to play there...
[21:53] <NucWin> oooh my friend has been upgraded to 105Mbps
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> NucWin, but what's the contention and data caps ...
[21:54] <NucWin> there is trafic shapping in the evenings
[21:54] <NucWin> and max usage before slow down in evenings
[21:54] <NucWin> but no real limit
[21:55] <NucWin> speed test got 80Mbps @ 20:30 aprox
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[21:55] <NucWin> uploads not been upgraded yet and still at 4.6Mbps
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[21:56] <gordonDrogon> ah well. I might get 12Mb/sec at the end of the month...
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[21:57] <NucWin> :(
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[21:57] <NucWin> that would annoy me
[21:57] <NucWin> the 20Mbps im on at home drives me mad
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> I don't seem to use it all anyway.
[21:58] <NucWin> that is quite a hard thing to do
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> I guess you do lots of toeenring, p2p, etc. ?
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[21:58] <gordonDrogon> torrenting*
[21:58] <NucWin> some torrenting
[21:58] <NucWin> upload is the most useful tbh
[21:58] <ziltro> I believe we have 3MB/s here.
[21:58] <NucWin> as i run some services from home
[21:58] <ziltro> Best I've had was 7MB/s
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> I have a 45GB monthy cap and never get near it.
[21:58] <ziltro> Although I heard of someone on a fibre trial had 100MB/s
[21:59] <ziltro> That was nice.
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> I have a rack in a data centre to run services from..
[21:59] * Walther has never understood caps
[21:59] <ziltro> Do you have a nice rack?
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> it's a set of shelves
[21:59] <NucWin> wish i could afford some rack space
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> I have a mix of tower type servers and rack mounted.
[21:59] <ziltro> Rack mounted stuff is cool.
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> however I only have a 100Mb feed into it.
[22:00] <lenz> ziltro, thnx!
[22:00] <ziltro> The other week I saw some rack-mounted drawers.
[22:00] <lenz> Gadget-Mac, thnx friend
[22:00] <ziltro> lenz: Is it working? :)
[22:00] <lenz> its work!!!
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> right. i need to do some cooking now.. back later.
[22:00] <ziltro> il marche.
[22:00] <lenz> composite video works too!
[22:00] <ziltro> Hmm rack-mounted oven?
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> I have some pastry to make...
[22:00] <Gadget-Mac> lenz: bit of a team effort :)
[22:02] <aaa801> HEA GUYS GUYS, put this in a bat and run it %0|%0
[22:03] <Hexxeh> can we get a couple willing victims to test chromium?
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[22:03] <ziltro> I'd have to catch a bat first.
[22:03] <Hexxeh> you need to be running the latest wheezy/raspbian image
[22:03] <ziltro> I have no Pi yet :(
[22:03] <ziltro> Otherwise I'd test it.
[22:04] <lenz> Thnx friends!!!! thnx for support!
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[22:05] <Gadget-Mac> Like the theramin idea.
[22:05] <ziltro> Rack-mounted theremin.
[22:06] <Gadget-Mac> Whats the best way to get a 'tone' out of a pi then ?
[22:07] <ziltro> I've never found an easy way to generate a tone.
[22:07] <ziltro> You'd think it would be simple, then throw that tone at ALSA
[22:07] <Gadget-Mac> Python and SDL ?
[22:07] <ziltro> Oh maybe, I didn't try SDL.
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[22:11] <iBooyaa> Hexxeh happily beta for you
[22:11] <iBooyaa> even if it might mean temporary blindness
[22:11] <Hexxeh> iBooyaa: are you running Raspbian/Wheezy (yesterday's image)
[22:11] <iBooyaa> yes
[22:11] <Hexxeh> okay cool
[22:12] <Hexxeh> what's closer for you, Europe or the US?
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[22:14] <ziltro> I can work that out from '/whois user' and then running 'whois ip' ;)
[22:14] <iBooyaa> Europe
[22:15] <Hexxeh> got one test report back saying it works, so happy to post now anyways: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=11800
[22:15] <Hexxeh> enjoy!
[22:16] <iBooyaa> cheers!
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[22:20] <dirty_d> Gadget-Mac, probably with alsa
[22:20] <dirty_d> or you could go straight for the PWM module
[22:21] <Gadget-Mac> dirty_d: Alsa would be goof
[22:21] <Gadget-Mac> good
[22:21] <dirty_d> PWM is more direct
[22:21] <dirty_d> simpler in some sense
[22:21] <iBooyaa> now that node works I'm wondering f I can repurpose
[22:22] <iBooyaa> node-serial for rpi
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[22:22] <dirty_d> since alsa is really doing the pwm behind the scenes
[22:22] <ziltro> Talking to ALSA would mean it isn't Pi speciffic
[22:23] <dirty_d> but it probably is pi specific
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[22:25] <dirty_d> theres no oss driver?
[22:25] <ziltro> Isn't OSS dead yet? :)
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[22:26] <dirty_d> the good thing about it is its really simple
[22:26] <iBooyaa> wow blast from the past
[22:26] <iBooyaa> is jacks
[22:27] <iBooyaa> is jackd same cat or diff?
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[22:33] <dirty_d> time to gtfo
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[22:34] <iBooyaa> ciao
[22:40] <TeeCee> Hi guys!
[22:41] <iBooyaa> duderino
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[22:48] <TeeCee> Hey Hexxeh. Congratz on the Chromium-release.. :-)
[22:48] <Hexxeh> thanks :)
[22:48] <TeeCee> Too bad I can't test it yet.. :/
[22:49] <TeeCee> I guess that would still not make i.e. YouTube work faster?
[22:49] <TeeCee> Perhaps you could re-compile Flash? :p
[22:50] <Hexxeh> Flash will probably never happen on the Pi thankfully
[22:50] <TeeCee> hehe
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[22:50] <TeeCee> How about HTML5?
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[22:50] <TeeCee> YouTube supports HTML5...
[22:50] <Hexxeh> also it's probably not just a case of compiling, there'll be a bunch of armv7 specific routines in assembly in there i bet
[22:50] <Hexxeh> HTML5 what, video?
[22:51] <TeeCee> https://www.youtube.com/html5
[22:51] <Hexxeh> ok so yes, video
[22:51] <Hexxeh> libffmpegsumo isn't there
[22:51] <Hexxeh> but if it was, it'd run slow
[22:51] <Hexxeh> there's still no hardware acceleration, so you won't get video until there is
[22:51] <TeeCee> ok
[22:52] <friggle> Hexxeh: do you get to work on this as part of your internship?
[22:52] <Hexxeh> sadly not
[22:52] <Hexxeh> just did a few late nights hacking on it
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[22:54] <Hexxeh> it's easier though since i can go ask people who know a specific part of the code very well if i need to and everyone is happy to help
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[22:56] <TeeCee> Hexxeh: What internship is this?
[22:56] <Hexxeh> I'm interning with Google on the Chrome OS team
[22:58] <TeeCee> Nice
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> hi
[22:59] <w0m> I'd like chrome os build for raspi; that'd be nice as a say; kitchen pc (mount to back of a monitor and bluetooh keyboard/mouse)
[23:00] <Hexxeh> w0m: i am working on it
[23:00] <Hexxeh> but it involves a lot of opengles2/egl work and it's not something i'm particularly familiar with
[23:01] <TeeCee> gordonDrogon: Hi
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[23:10] <Gadget-Mac> Anyone know what a pi weighs ?
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[23:10] <gordonDrogon> so chrome browser works OK. No html5 though?
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[23:11] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Mac, er, no. I can't even weight one for you as all mine are screwed into skpang boards...
[23:11] <Hexxeh> no HTML5 video
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[23:15] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, well - other than the flash stuff, it' working very well.
[23:16] <Hexxeh> good to hear :)
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> much much better than midori!
[23:16] <Hexxeh> hopefully some people versed in the art of GLESv2 will hop on board and make it even better
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> it renders my projects site correctly - if a shade slow as it's all https, but news.bbc.co.uk was very usable.
[23:17] <gordonDrogon> lets try the reg. and /.
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[23:17] <friggle> Hexxeh: any chance of inspiring some co-conspirators at google?
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[23:17] <Hexxeh> friggle: i'm definitely trying
[23:17] <Hexxeh> but no luck yet, people interested but no volunteers to hack on it
[23:17] <friggle> Hexxeh: yeah, they keep their engineers too busy ;)
[23:18] <Netham45> How does the RPI pass power through to the USB? Ex, if I hook up a 2A power supply to it will that be available to the USB ports?
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> gah! adverts!
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> Netham45, no...
[23:18] <gordonDrogon> Netham45, there is a 700mA fuse on the inlet, then further 140mA fuses on each usb port.
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> self-resetting polyfuses..
[23:19] <Netham45> Ah, kk. Thanks.
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[23:19] <gordonDrogon> some people have soldered wires directly from the inlet to the usb ports - google and I'm sure you'll find pictures...
[23:19] <Netham45> That's what I was thinking of doing.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> add a big capacitor too AIUI to help stop spikes from plugging in power hungry devices.
[23:21] <Netham45> 140 on each port might be enough to power what I want, I'm not sure. Just a small Keyboard/mouse combo, a GPS, and a touchscreen.
[23:21] <lenz> what about temperature sensors on PI? lm_sensors does not work
[23:21] <lenz> are there some pakages , for cpu temperature monitoring?
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> there are no sensors to monitor..
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> (that I'm aware of)
[23:22] <lenz> bad :\
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> I'd not be concerned - it's designed to run up to about 70C.
[23:22] <lenz> its too hot
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> I doubt it.
[23:23] <lenz> I living in Georgia
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> is it crashing?
[23:23] <Netham45> Can you put your finger on it without your skin burning and sticking to the CPU? If so, it's not too hot.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> :)
[23:23] <lenz> we have +30 whole day
[23:23] <markllama> no smoke? you're fine.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> it's fine.
[23:23] <lenz> no, PI does not crashing
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> no crash, then no wry.
[23:24] <Netham45> hmm, I didn't think of heat.
[23:24] <lenz> but, I had to wait more than 4 months )))))
[23:24] <lenz> hahahahaha
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/gertfan.jpg
[23:24] <lenz> no, my finger does not burning )))))
[23:24] <Netham45> I'm planning on putting mine in my car, it regularly gets to ~120F (~50c) in the cab without the AC on.
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> Netham45, keep it out of direct sunlight.
[23:25] <Netham45> It'll be inside my dash
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> back in a few ticks....
[23:25] <Netham45> http://i.imgur.com/ZffxK.jpg
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[23:26] <Netham45> right now I have that powered by http://i.imgur.com/SBT3z.jpg, was looking to move it over to my pi
[23:27] <lenz> wow)))
[23:27] <lenz> its your car?
[23:27] <lupinedk> Netham those ideapads get fairly hot by themselves, so if it can make it i think a rpi would have no problem with it
[23:27] <Netham45> yea
[23:27] <Netham45> True
[23:27] <Netham45> but the ideapad also has a fan and can turn itself off if it gets too hot
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[23:28] <lupinedk> still
[23:28] <Netham45> And I don't keep it on when I'm not in there, kills my battery. Part of why I was switching to a Pi.
[23:28] <lupinedk> do a switch?
[23:29] <lupinedk> anyway you run a inverter to the psu on the ideapad?
[23:29] <lupinedk> sounds like a rubbish solution, if so
[23:29] <Netham45> No, I have a 12v->18v cigarette lighter adaptor
[23:29] <Netham45> that I just put in my dash
[23:29] <lupinedk> heh :)
[23:29] <Netham45> I've got a few USB phone chargers that claim to put out 2A
[23:30] <lupinedk> should be fine for the pi
[23:30] <Netham45> yea
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[23:37] <aaa801> Anyone know what the egl driver name for the pi is?
[23:37] <aaa801> bcm2708?
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[23:43] <iBooyaa_> nite duders
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> back for a bit.
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[23:46] <aaa801> rageeeeeeee
[23:46] <aaa801> FBIOPUT_VSCREENINFO failed, page flipping not supported
[23:48] <martk100> I can not compile xbmc for raspbian. I get " no such file or directory" . Has anyone else had similar problem or know a solution?
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[23:59] <Cael> anyone having luck running vba in the rasbian repro w/o lxde running?
[23:59] <Cael> everytime i do the emu goes blackscreen

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