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IRC Log for 2012-07-20

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[0:06] <gordonDrogon> what's vba?
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[0:08] <vjacob> gordonDrogon, an emulator
[0:09] <vjacob> virtual gameboy advance
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[0:13] <vjacob> Cael, is running an emulator using the pi as much fun as having a real gameboy, or is it sooo much better?
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[0:14] <Cael> sorry was off screen.
[0:14] <Cael> yea VBA is a GBA emu.
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[0:14] <Cael> and within lxde it runs @ at best 62%
[0:14] <Cael> that being at stock speed. (my board from RSOnline seems to only stable-overclock to 850mhz)
[0:15] <Hexxeh> has anyone looked at how much of an OC a rpi will take before she dies?
[0:15] <Hexxeh> ie jacking volts up as high as they go
[0:15] <Cael> and something that i saw in thier vba-m channel that i haveto compile it to use the svga backend
[0:16] <Cael> Hexxeh: i think someone safely over-volted it to run @ 1GHZ
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[0:17] <Cael> and vjacob it can be much better when your GBA no longer functions :P
[0:17] <Hexxeh> mine seems happy at 900mhz with extra volts
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> Dom runs his at 1GHz.
[0:17] <Cael> or you dont have the GBA player for the Gamecube :P
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[0:17] <gordonDrogon> 2 of mine are happy at 900, one started to get a bit flakey - runs ok at 800.
[0:17] <Hexxeh> oh snap this is even faster with sdram_freq +25% too...
[0:18] <Cael> curious. gordonDrogon was that one from RS Online or?
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> Cael, can't recall - my very first one was from RS and that's been at 900 since day 1.
[0:18] <Cael> and i've noticed models with the Hynix ram do Not like to OC the ram at all.
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> so some 2.5 months now.
[0:18] <Hexxeh> mine is hynix
[0:18] <mervaka> oh dear. my vps provider just got ddosed
[0:18] <Cael> (even 1mhz over and it will cause a kernel panic)
[0:18] <Hexxeh> gah, sdram_freq=500 isn't stable
[0:18] <Hexxeh> wow
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> I'd need to take the lids off to check...
[0:19] <Hexxeh> lemme check my other units
[0:19] <friggle> Hexxeh: what overvolt are you using?
[0:19] <Hexxeh> none
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> I'm not overvolting for 900.
[0:19] <Hexxeh> all mine are hynix :(
[0:19] <friggle> Hexxeh: you'll need to overvolt for stable sdram overclock and 1ghz
[0:19] <friggle> Hexxeh: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Tested_values the last row is what Dom tends to run at
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> Gert made some comment about overvolting and lifetime...
[0:19] <Cael> that'd explain why even 1mhz oc on teh ram caused it to kernel panic
[0:20] <Hexxeh> don't want to blow the oc fuse or shorten the life really
[0:20] <friggle> yes, overvolting will impact the chip lifetime
[0:20] <Hexxeh> just seeing what i can do without overvolting
[0:20] <gordonDrogon> from 45 years to 20 years (approx).
[0:20] <friggle> Hexxeh: I haven't overvolted either :) Dom's speed demon
[0:20] <friggle> *a speed demon
[0:20] <Hexxeh> i used to push a lot through C2Ds and C2Qs back in the day
[0:20] <jardiamj> Life is short void the warranty... where did I see that?
[0:20] <Hexxeh> like 6ghz under LN2
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[0:21] <Hexxeh> but Pi? too precious :P
[0:21] <Cael> i dont feel like overvolting till atleast either A weather cools down here in Michigan, or i can track down custom made heatsinks for the SoC/RAM Voltage regulator
[0:21] <Hexxeh> heat isn't an issue Cael
[0:22] <Hexxeh> never seen mine get above about 60c
[0:22] <Cael> that and i dont know what line to set in the config.txt to set an over-volt
[0:23] <jardiamj> I wouldn't overvolt my pi...
[0:23] <jardiamj> I love it too much ;-)
[0:24] <Hexxeh> maybe once i order a boatload of them i'll try it
[0:24] <gordonDrogon> I might overvolt one of mine, but really, it's not a big issue for me.
[0:24] <Hexxeh> need to convince people around here we need to order a couple crates of them
[0:24] <jardiamj> How many do you have gordonDrogon ?
[0:24] <gordonDrogon> I don't *need* to make it run faster..
[0:24] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, 3.
[0:24] <jardiamj> where is the 1 per person restriction... lol
[0:24] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, Eben had a box of 200 at Cambridge...
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[0:24] <friggle> heh, DOA (on iplayer) was a fun movie. Directed by the pair who directed Max Headroom. They then went on to do the memorable 1993 Super Mario Bros movie :)
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, it was lifted last weekend.
[0:25] <jardiamj> I know... I was just kidding
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, but anyone can buy as many as they liked off ebay if they tried hard enough.
[0:25] <jardiamj> BTW, can I run a unipolar stepper motor with an H-bridge?
[0:25] <Cael> didnt both distributors lift the 1 per person restriction finally?
[0:25] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, my first was off ebay, 2nd the one I ordered from Farnell, 3rd from RS.
[0:25] <Netham45> Does RaspBMC have any support for BT? I would like to make it use a BT PAN to my phone for a remote.
[0:26] <Hexxeh> as of yesterday i believe yes
[0:26] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, not really
[0:26] <Cael> ohh i have noticed permissions are a lil funky in rasbian
[0:26] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, it's a waste of an H bridge - you need a quad driver.
[0:27] <jardiamj> quad driver?
[0:28] <jardiamj> I've seen circuits using darlington arrays, but I don't know what a quad driver is
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[0:29] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, something like a L293D
[0:30] <jardiamj> Thanks gordonDrogon, I was googling but no much luck
[0:30] <Hexxeh> managed to pull the v8bench score up to 86.8
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, but you might be better off with one of the dedicated stepper motor driver boards from sparkfun, etc.
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, they can do microstepping, etc.
[0:31] <friggle> Hexxeh: what was it before again, and what did you change?
[0:31] <Hexxeh> core_freq
[0:32] <Hexxeh> before it was 62.3
[0:32] <jardiamj> I'll look into that, I'm just learning and experimenting... which board do you suggest?
[0:33] <friggle> Hexxeh: nice, doubled core_freq to 500?
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[0:33] <Hexxeh> 300mhz
[0:33] <NullMoogleCable> hi
[0:33] <Hexxeh> how high does it tend to go without extra voltage?
[0:34] <jardiamj> gordonDrogon: that L293D looks pretty much at what I have (SN754410)...
[0:34] <friggle> Hexxeh: that's a ridiculous boost from just a 50mhz nudge
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[0:34] <NullMoogleCable> i got my pi :)
[0:34] <friggle> Hexxeh: looks like someone reported success at 450 with no overvolt
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[0:35] <gordonDrogon> jardiamj, looks pretty identical, actually!
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[0:35] <Hexxeh> friggle: i'll give that a go then
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[0:35] <jardiamj> I have used it to run a bipolar stepper motor, but I also have a unipolar one...
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[0:36] <friggle> Hexxeh: if you get such a big boost, the benchmark must be very dependent on memory latency
[0:36] <Hexxeh> it's this: http://v8.googlecode.com/svn/data/benchmarks/v7/run.html
[0:37] <Hexxeh> managed to get 92.9 with a bit more chrome tweaking
[0:37] <Hexxeh> gonna push for 100
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[0:37] <Hexxeh> that was core freq at 275, my bad, thought i'd set 300
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[0:38] <Hexxeh> didn't want to check whilst the benchmark was running
[0:38] <jardiamj> I was thinking that the only difference is that for the unipolar stepper I have to connect the two central wires will have to go to power
[0:38] <Cael> whats a good stable setting for core_freq?
[0:38] <Hexxeh> i'd imagine it depends on your pi
[0:38] <Hexxeh> they're not all created equal
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[0:38] <Cael> ballpark general to start with
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[0:38] <Hexxeh> 400 i guess
[0:39] <Hexxeh> a few people have reported success at 450/500
[0:39] <jardiamj> I was looking at this diagrams: http://arduino.cc/it/Tutorial/MotorKnob
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[0:39] <Hexxeh> oh wow, this is looking like a good run...!
[0:40] <Hexxeh> i think the bottleneck is probably the fairly crappy memory bandwidth
[0:40] <NullMoogleCable> using the camera port. couldnt you use that to add more memory, might be slower though but still more memory ?
[0:40] <Hexxeh> a theory i've heard suggested by other folks too
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[0:41] <Hexxeh> at the moment skia has some asm verisons of memset
[0:41] <Hexxeh> i bet replacing those with simon's dma stuff would improve the perceived UI speed a lot
[0:42] <gordonDrogon> I tried that new memcpy/set stuff in my BASIC - made it go slower )-:
[0:43] <Hexxeh> hell yeah
[0:43] <Hexxeh> scored 110
[0:43] <friggle> gordonDrogon: did you post about that in the thread? we'd be interested in such cases
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[0:45] <Cael> hmmm
[0:45] <Cael> thinking core_freq=400 might not be ok.
[0:45] <Hexxeh> running midori on the same OC settings now
[0:45] <Cael> durring boot i saw it spam "Bad IRQ 75"
[0:45] <Hexxeh> looks like it's about between 1/3 and 1/2 the speed of chromium
[0:45] <friggle> Hexxeh: do you chrome guys have anything good to test actual page rendering speed though?
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[0:46] <gordonDrogon> friggle, not yet. the slow-down was in the sprite handling which does SDL_Blits to/from the screen... 27fps without it, 20fps with it... got a link to the thread?
[0:46] <Hexxeh> yeah we have a boatload of tests
[0:46] <Hexxeh> i'm just starting off with JS speed
[0:46] <friggle> Hexxeh: how do they work and how can we use them? We want better performance evaluation tests than running iperf and so on to check for obvious regressions
[0:47] <friggle> Hexxeh: i.e. if someone suggests a pixman or X patch, we want to quantify the difference with something meaningful rather than a microbenchmarkj
[0:47] <friggle> gordonDrogon: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=9260
[0:47] <Hexxeh> friggle: http://www.chromium.org/developers/testing/page-cyclers/
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[0:48] <Hexxeh> midoris JS engine really is pitifully bad...
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> friggle, ta.
[0:48] <friggle> Hexxeh: in fairness, the jit is disabled (...because it segfaults on armel ;))
[0:48] <Hexxeh> true
[0:49] <friggle> Hexxeh: does that render the page to screen?
[0:49] <plugwash> friggle, and it also segfaults on armv6 hardfloat....
[0:49] <Netham45> Anyone know why I'm not getting any audio over HDMI from XBMC?
[0:49] <Hexxeh> friggle: they can, it just depends how you run them
[0:50] <Hexxeh> they're pretty flexible
[0:50] <friggle> Hexxeh: awesome, looks like just the sort of thing we've been looking for. It's a use case we care about and provides something other than a microbenchmark
[0:51] <Hexxeh> no worries, i'm eager to see faster X performance too :P
[0:51] <Hexxeh> or DRM/libgbm stuff, that'd be fine too.
[0:52] <Hexxeh> imo DRM/libgbm would be the best route in terms of performance, and then you could build your X driver on top of that
[0:53] <Cael> hmm maybe setting the overall gpu freq will yeild a better result in vba
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[0:53] <Hexxeh> maybe that's what the super secret announcement will be :P
[0:53] <friggle> Hexxeh: drm/libgbm make it easier to use existing rendering infrastructures, some of which may have gles backends. It doesn't magically make everythihing faster though
[0:53] <Hexxeh> friggle: i could just sit Chrome on top of those then and throw X out of the window
[0:53] <Hexxeh> less overhead that way :)
[0:53] <friggle> Hexxeh: you want both the optimised pixman/cairo/xorg stuff and better support for the gles rendering libs that work well
[0:54] <friggle> Hexxeh: yes, it would work well for chrome
[0:54] <Hexxeh> midori scored 45.7 with the same settings
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[0:55] <aaa801> Hexxeh
[0:56] <friggle> Hexxeh: not today, but when you have a moment - if you could provide binaries and a trivial set of steps to run an interesting page cycler test with chromium on the pi that would be great. I'll get the people looking at various low level optimisations to use it as a "real world" target
[0:56] <Hexxeh> sure
[0:56] <aaa801> Do you know who i would have to speak to to get the gpu egl driver compiled against a different libc?
[0:56] <Hexxeh> i've got the rest of this afternoon free so i'll take a look now
[0:56] <aaa801> I/gralloc ( 196): refresh rate = 60.00 Hz
[0:56] <aaa801> E/libEGL ( 196): load_driver(/system/lib/egl/libEGL_bcm2708.so): Cannot load library: link_image[1965]: 196 could not load needed library 'libvchiq_arm.so' for
[0:56] <aaa801> ]: 196 could not load needed library 'libc.so.6' for 'libvchiq_arm.so' (load_library[1120]: Library 'libc.so.6' not found))
[0:56] <aaa801> :(
[0:57] <Hexxeh> is this android?
[0:57] <aaa801> indeed
[0:57] <Cael> getting close. CPU freq set to 900 Gpu_freq set to 450 and VBA on frameskip=3 i've got abnout 90% framerate
[0:57] <Hexxeh> ie bionic
[0:57] <aaa801> ye
[0:57] <Hexxeh> hmm, you'll probably need to ask dom about that
[0:57] <friggle> aaa801: make an issue in the firmware repo
[0:57] <aaa801> Hexxeh, have you got contact details for him?
[0:58] <friggle> aaa801: making an issue on the firmware repo is really the best route - emails get generated for Dom and Eben and it's easier to keep track of there
[0:58] <aaa801> Ok
[0:58] <aaa801> Do you have a link to the issue tracker?
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[0:59] <friggle> aaa801: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues
[0:59] <aaa801> Not too sure how im going to word this
[1:00] <aaa801> friggle, Hexxex: How would you word it?
[1:00] <Cael> seems i cant do gpu_freq=500
[1:00] <Cael> kernel panic at power on
[1:00] <friggle> Cael: there's not much headroom in overclocking the gpu
[1:01] <Cael> trying to get the best performance for Emulators
[1:01] <friggle> aaa801: I'm trying to make an android port, but the current videocore libs are linked against glibc rather than bionic. Are you able to produce binaries linked against bionic instead?
[1:01] <friggle> aaa801: though...do you actually need this?
[1:01] <Cael> OWWWW
[1:01] <Cael> the SoC is too hot to touch.
[1:01] <gordonDrogon> zzz time for zed - tomorow!
[1:01] <friggle> aaa801: and aren't you dependent on an egl/gles implementation providing android extensions anyway?
[1:01] <aaa801> Its needed for gpu acceleration friggle
[1:01] <hetii> re :)
[1:01] <IT_Sean> cael: Then don't touch it!
[1:02] <Hexxeh> friggle, aaa801: you might want to include a little detail as to how dom can compile against bionic, too.
[1:02] <Cael> it wasnt that hot before.
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[1:02] <hetii> What happens when i drink :? :)
[1:02] <IT_Sean> Cael: Whats your Pi doing?
[1:02] <Hexxeh> friggle: page_cycler works nicely, i'll throw a quick set of instructions together for you
[1:02] <hetii> drink, drunk ? what is right form ?
[1:02] <friggle> Hexxeh: yes, but it's not at all unlikely that they have some vc4 libs working with android already.
[1:02] <Cael> trying to run VBA when i had tried various CPU/gpu OC settings
[1:02] <Hexxeh> true
[1:03] <NullMoogleCable> was the documentation on how to use the Jazelle technology on the pi ever released?
[1:03] <friggle> aaa801: you've got stuff booting right? Make it clear this is the next step and you actually know what you're doing
[1:03] <aaa801> Ye we have it booting to the lock screen
[1:03] <friggle> NullMoogleCable: nobody uses Jazelle.
[1:03] <aaa801> but due to the lack of acceleration systemui forcecloses
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[1:04] <NullMoogleCable> friggle why not?
[1:04] <friggle> NullMoogleCable: it's just fundamentally not a very good technology. It sounds cool, but any reasonable JIT optimises the hell out of JAVA bytecode sequences anyway
[1:04] <friggle> so even if you can execute a bytecode sequence without dispatch overhead, it's still not faster than even a pretty trivially optimised JITted version of the code
[1:05] <aaa801> What should i title the issue
[1:05] <friggle> remember that java bytecode has lots of obvious redundancies like the stack stuff
[1:05] <aaa801> my brain is screwey this hour
[1:05] <NullMoogleCable> still would be nice to play with
[1:05] <friggle> NullMoogleCable: I'm not sure ARM ever released full docs?
[1:05] <friggle> to the unwashed masses that is
[1:07] <NullMoogleCable> thats why im asking friggle, was anything released with the pi?
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[1:07] <friggle> NullMoogleCable: no, I don't think so
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[1:07] <aaa801> Hexxex, friggle: is it possible to upload files to the tracker?
[1:07] <friggle> aaa801: "request for Android compatible /opt/vc/lib/* build?"
[1:07] <aaa801> i love you friggle
[1:07] <friggle> aaa801: I think that's a feature github lacks
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[1:08] <friggle> aaa801: if it's text, pastebin or gist.github.com
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[1:09] <aaa801> Na were going to upload the bionic librarys
[1:09] <friggle> gordonDrogon: is your test something you can easily provide/point to a binary and test case? It would make it easier fofor Simon and ssvb to dig in to the issue
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[1:10] <Hexxeh> friggle: page_cycler howto/files here http://pastebin.com/B2vjtnYn
[1:10] <friggle> aaa801: I'd leave it for now, and wait what Dom says
[1:10] <friggle> Hexxeh: you are a total star, thank you so much
[1:10] <gordonDrogon> friggle, should be. I can give them all the sources/binaries (not that 20K lines of C would be that helpful though!)
[1:10] <Hexxeh> no problem
[1:11] <Hexxeh> i'll try and figure out a nice set of sites to sample performance
[1:11] <Hexxeh> and maybe rack a raspi and run tests on nightlies
[1:11] <friggle> gordonDrogon: but they can profile and see if there's anything particularly special about the sort of SDL_blit calls etc
[1:11] <gordonDrogon> let me see if I can concont something now that can be used to test on someone elses Pi first.
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[1:13] <Cael> the best i can OC w/o a kernel panic w/o overvolting.
[1:13] <friggle> aaa801: does Android not have extra requirements of EGL? e.g. are there not android-specific egl extensions it depends on?
[1:13] <Cael> gahh nvr mind for a moment it was humming ok @ the cpu set to 910
[1:14] <Cael> then just as i login i panic
[1:14] <aaa801> friggle: not sure =/
[1:15] <aaa801> If anyones intrested, come join us on irc.rizon.net #androidpi
[1:15] <Cael> hmm better to set the gpu_freq or just set the core_freq?
[1:15] <friggle> Cael: core_freq. There's not much to gain from gpu_freq
[1:15] <Cael> i thought gpu_freq set all 3 related frequencies together
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[1:16] <friggle> Cael: well yes, but it's easy to bump core_freq and get a stable system with a noticeable performance boost. Not so much when you're boosting h264,isp and v3d
[1:17] <Cael> ahh ok
[1:17] <Cael> i could then get a better /higher OC then just doing core_freq
[1:17] <Cael> then doing gpu.
[1:17] <ssvb> friggle: Simon's memcpy does not seem to optimize prefetch, so sometimes you would get only half of the speed depending on relative buffers alignment
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[1:18] <Cael> setting that seems to cause less "BAD IRQ 75" durring boot
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[1:20] <gordonDrogon> friggle, posted a follow-up with instructions to fetch the binary & codes.
[1:20] <Hexxeh> i seem to start seeing bad irq at like 930mhz
[1:20] <Hexxeh> still boots, though
[1:23] <Gadgetoid> Wow... rewatching the third Matrix film was more painful than watching Mazes & Monsters
[1:24] <gordonDrogon> I really need to go to bed..
[1:24] <gordonDrogon> be seeing you..
[1:24] <Gadgetoid> Night!
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[1:26] <Cael> hmm i wonder for emulators if its better to use a ram split that gives a lil more to GPU
[1:26] <Cael> been using the 224/32 split
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[2:00] <Cael> :/ FCEU gets no sound "error opening sound device" (though yes ALSA is running)
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[2:03] <wry> I think I remember FCEU needing to be the only thing using the sound card.
[2:06] <Cael> im not sure how to make it work w/ sound :/
[2:07] <Cael> or if i haveto use a USB Soundcard
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[2:10] <friggle> Hexxeh: I'm not getting 100/100 on the acid3 page_cycler - are you?
[2:12] <Hexxeh> no
[2:12] <Hexxeh> i'm not sure why, the acid3 page does work for me
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[2:56] <paatrick1123> Hi! Anyone here have luck with openelec and airplay?
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[3:12] <Hexxeh> eh, interesting
[3:13] <Hexxeh> friggle: if you've got chromium running try passing --use-gl=egl and then run peacekeeper.futuremark.com
[3:13] <Hexxeh> results in the board locking up for me it seems :/
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[3:28] <ratherDashing> anyone try the new raspbian image, i was wondering what it uses for the resize since it won't work on my machine, hangs on reboot
[3:29] <ratherDashing> is that raspi config thing just a script that i can look at?
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[3:32] <Hexxeh> i wonder if i can kinda cheat and use X for input but do the graphics without
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[3:43] <GriffenJBS> So where is the issue list for raspbian?
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[3:57] <ReggieUK> ask on #raspbian :)
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[4:01] <longbyte1> Hi
[4:02] <longbyte1> I got the results for powering an rpi through the usb ports only
[4:02] <longbyte1> It hung itself
[4:02] <longbyte1> Period
[4:03] <longbyte1> If I just booted it up like that, it would go on and take a lot of time trying to figure out what's plugged in.
[4:04] <longbyte1> So yes, it CAN be powered through the two usb ports, but it has to be extremely energy-minded
[4:05] <longbyte1> So is anyone listening, or am I talking in a place where people are ignoring me?
[4:05] <phire> you should be able to have something connected to a usb port without making the software think something is connected
[4:05] <longbyte1> Oh
[4:05] <longbyte1> Hi
[4:05] <phire> hi
[4:05] <longbyte1> Excuse me for the rudeness on that last comment
[4:06] <longbyte1> Here's what I did:
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[4:06] <longbyte1> Booted it up with both microusb and usb power, separate ac adapters
[4:06] <longbyte1> when it was done, and login prompt was present, I took off the microusb
[4:07] <longbyte1> A few seconds later, it hangs
[4:07] <longbyte1> Rebooted with no microusb
[4:07] <longbyte1> It spammed on console trying to connect and disconnect usb
[4:08] <longbyte1> So I don't really know if it did any progress. :/
[4:08] <phire> is this a serial console?
[4:08] <longbyte1> ?
[4:08] <tinti> by the way, can I use raspberry as USB gadget in linux? I mean getting the usb data cables and connecting it to a pc?
[4:08] <phire> or are you connected via hdmi
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[4:09] <phire> tinti, the network chip is in the way
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[4:09] <longbyte1> Serial console, via composite rca
[4:09] <phire> from memory a pulldown (or pull up) resister to one of the datalines is what signals a device is connected.
[4:11] <longbyte1> hmm, well I'm doing solder-free experimentation here. :P
[4:11] <phire> which dataline you pull singles what speed usb device you have
[4:11] <phire> So make sure neither data line is connected, and see what it does
[4:11] <GriffenJBS> longbyte, you can power it from backfeeding in the USB plugs (not micro), but that's a poor idea, better power regulation to power through the micro as designed
[4:11] <longbyte1> Exactly
[4:11] <longbyte1> Backfeed it
[4:11] <GriffenJBS> but why? or is it simply a "because I can" thing?
[4:12] <tinti> phire: sorry I didn't get it. With ethernet is ok but I just want to know (just for know) if you can use it like a cellphone does. You connect to a pc and it is recognized as a usb device/gadget
[4:12] <longbyte1> Because I found out one day,,,
[4:12] <longbyte1> that you can do that.... kind of
[4:12] <longbyte1> ***Not liable for crashing, hanging, or other lack of voltage-related issues.
[4:13] <GriffenJBS> if the USB plugs have something connected to the data+/data- pins it will detect a device and try to use it
[4:13] <longbyte1> tinti: no, just tried and it fails
[4:13] <phire> tinti, You should be able to do it with the A model, but the B model has the ethernet chip connected to the usb datalines of the chip. The ethernet chip also contains a 3 port usb hub
[4:13] <longbyte1> be back
[4:14] <GriffenJBS> phire, it would be nice if everyone had EE 101 before trying these ideas
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[4:16] <tinti> longbyte1: :(
[4:16] <GriffenJBS> tinti, your wanting to use the rpi as a USB device on a PC?
[4:16] <tinti> phire: thanks for the explanation. Know I got it.
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[4:16] <GriffenJBS> you can get USB cables that create a serial connection between two USB Hosts
[4:17] <tinti> GriffenJBS: no just curious. Because I am setting up a linux that works like an usb device and use my computer as usb host
[4:17] <tinti> GriffenJBS: I have heard once that it works only if your USB controller supports it. Is that true?
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[4:18] <GriffenJBS> tinti, you can't rewire the hardware, hardware set up as a device, can't just become a host
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[4:18] <GriffenJBS> see USB otg
[4:18] <tinti> GriffenJBS: I fotgot to tell that I am using qemu for the guest
[4:18] <tinti> GriffenJBS: yes exactly
[4:19] <GriffenJBS> the USB micro on the pi is not host or device, it's just a power plug, the other two plugs are USB Host
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[4:20] <phire> Well, technically they are usb hub ports, and the hub is connected to USB otg port
[4:20] <tinti> GriffenJBS: so sad. Thanks. Forget my question
[4:20] <GriffenJBS> phire, you really want to try and explain that?
[4:20] <ReggieUK> it's called usb gadget, there's a subsystem in linux that allows you to use a usb client device to pretend to be a serial, ethernet, mass storage, midi, printer device
[4:20] <phire> right, everyone just forget what I said
[4:21] <ReggieUK> but
[4:21] <GriffenJBS> lol, right, right
[4:21] <ReggieUK> the pi is host mode only
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[4:21] <tinti> ReggieUK: yes is that what I am using
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[4:21] <ReggieUK> it's incredibly useful :)
[4:21] <ReggieUK> and it's a real shame that the pi doesn't have client mode
[4:21] <ReggieUK> but perhaps it will be possible on the model A
[4:21] <ReggieUK> as it won't have the ethernet chip in the way
[4:22] <GriffenJBS> possible, then there is the software needed
[4:22] <phire> software should be already out there
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[4:22] <tinti> ReggieUK: have you ever set it up? In qemu?
[4:22] <ReggieUK> well, yes and no, the drivers are already written to expose usb_gadget :)
[4:23] <phire> just track down the Samsung Galaxy Y source release
[4:23] <ReggieUK> so any software you are talking about will be the same software you use to talk to any of that type of device
[4:23] <GriffenJBS> USB Host <-> Host is doable with special cables (actually a device in a cable)
[4:23] <GriffenJBS> and pi <-> whatever is rather doable (IP, etc)
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[4:24] <ReggieUK> of course
[4:24] <phire> I actually have a usb A to usb A cable
[4:24] <ReggieUK> more commonly known as a firestarter :)
[4:25] <phire> Came with a cheap ipod dock
[4:25] <ReggieUK> the joy of usb_gadget is that you don't need any special cables
[4:25] <ReggieUK> just an A to B (or mini B)
[4:25] <phire> my jaw hit the ground when I saw it
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[4:26] <GriffenJBS> phire, is it wired straight through or ...?
[4:26] <ReggieUK> not the sort of cable you leave laying around anywhere
[4:26] <ReggieUK> just in case
[4:26] <phire> yeah, straight through
[4:27] <phire> dangrous cable, but might be useful with a model A pi
[4:27] <GriffenJBS> I have a USB extension cable, with about 8 adapters for the end, type B, mini A, mini B, etc, but none reverse gender
[4:27] <phire> But I might have thrown it out a few weeks ago
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[4:34] <Flipo> Hello, is sound supposed to work out of the box with raspbian or do I need to do something ?
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[4:37] <DaQatz> Flipo: Works out of the box for me.
[4:38] <DaQatz> !channel #raspbian
[4:38] <PiBot> DaQatz: #raspbian - Hard float Debian chat room.
[4:38] <Flipo> DaQatz: thx
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[4:47] <NemesisD> hi all. i just noticed my raspberry pi has become unbootable. with the SD card in it flashes 3 times, which seems to indicate that it can't find loader.bin. i don't see that file on my boot partition. is it supposed to be there on arch?
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[4:53] <NemesisD> evidently yes
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[4:56] <GriffenJBS> Nem, I just read, I'll check
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[4:58] <NemesisD> GriffenJBS: for whatever reasons those files were just gone for me. i pulled them from the github repo and it worked
[4:58] <NemesisD> maybe an arch update gon awry
[4:58] <GriffenJBS> maybe
[4:59] <GriffenJBS> I'm amazed there isn't a rescue busybox build into the images
[4:59] <NemesisD> that would be helpful
[4:59] <GriffenJBS> that would let you boot and fix an image, rather than starting over
[5:00] <GriffenJBS> my sd reader is on the only windows box here and it can't do much but wipe & rewrite and image
[5:01] <NemesisD> oh lame
[5:01] <GriffenJBS> bootcode.bin -> loader.bin -> start.elf -> kernel.img
[5:01] <NemesisD> one thing i wondered about is how to get the right memory divide to "stick" for me. i've got a memory split selector script that i found but every time a kernel update comes out it reverts to an even 128/128 split
[5:02] <NemesisD> which is not appropriate considering its an ssh box with no display
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[5:06] <GriffenJBS> NemesisD: what are you using to update? rpi-update detects and restores, right?
[5:08] <NemesisD> GriffenJBS: i'm using the arch linux distro so i get kernel updates through my normal system update: pacman -Syu
[5:08] <NemesisD> i think theres a package for raspberry pi's firmware in there
[5:09] <GriffenJBS> well that sucks that it keeps reverting the changes
[5:11] <NemesisD> lol i agree
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[5:55] <TeeCee> Anyone here know any python programming? I need some tips...
[5:58] <Out`Of`Control> try #python
[6:01] <RITRedbeard> FFFFFSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[6:01] <RITRedbeard> SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTHhhhHHHHHHHHHHHH
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[6:07] <kn100> Quick question, I recently bought a raspberry pi with the hope of using it as a low power torrent/seedbox with external hard disks
[6:08] <kn100> I've been reading about power supplies for the pi, and I was wondering, say I powered the pi with a 3a 5v wall wart, would that then allow around 2.3a to the usb ports/networking?
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[6:18] <MrCurious_> i would get a powered hub. plug the pi into the hub and the hub into the pi, then add the usb hd
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[6:19] <MrCurious_> i think the usb on the pi can only supply 100ma if i remember correctly
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[6:25] <squiggles> does anyone know if rpi has a usb 3.0 controller?
[6:27] <TeeCee> It doesn't
[6:29] <squiggles> would it be very difficult to add one
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[6:30] <TeeCee> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4516
[6:31] <kn100> MrCurious_, I shall do just that. Man this 5 weeks is gonna be painful
[6:31] <kn100> cannot wait for it to arrive.
[6:31] <MrCurious_> i waited from feb till about 2 weeks ago for mine
[6:31] <MrCurious_> 5 weeks is getting off easy :D
[6:31] <kn100> haha
[6:32] <kn100> Just out of interest, anyone done any sort of network benchmarking with these things?
[6:32] <kn100> I'm gonna be using it as a seedbox to an external hdd, wondering what kind of bottlenecks I'll see
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[6:40] <GriffenJBS> mine (ordered in feb) also came a week ago
[6:41] <kn100> What are you guys using yours for?
[6:42] <MrCurious_> am i the only one that it screams robotics to?
[6:45] <oldtopman> mmmmmm
[6:45] <oldtopman> Sorta?
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[6:49] <MrCurious_> gpio for driving motors/encoders. usb for cameras, enough cpu to image process
[6:49] <MrCurious_> and best of all, $35, so you wont cry when you fry it
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[6:51] <oldtopman> MrCurious_: Yeah, but.
[6:51] <oldtopman> The only practical things you do with robotics stuff needs lots of gpio pins, so I find the arduino better suited.
[6:51] <oldtopman> Pair em and communicate over serial...
[6:52] <MrCurious_> true, but once you have played with arduino for a few experiments, you lean towards using raw AVR chips without the arduino board IMHO
[6:52] <MrCurious_> thich might explain why i bougght that pair of discounted teensies for $8/ea
[6:53] <MrCurious_> for reading quadrature encoders, i think that would better be done in a uControler rather than a full linux stack
[6:53] <squiggles> i'm using mine as a very small imac, essentially...
[6:54] <squiggles> small form factor means i can hide it is all
[6:54] <kn100> Anyone who currently has a pi, how hot does it get?
[6:54] <MrCurious_> it does have a ideal footprint for nefarious applications, as well as a disposable friendly price
[6:54] <coldguy> not hot enough that i've noticed
[6:54] <coldguy> although i guess the network chip is uncomfortable to touch after extended use
[6:55] <coldguy> i haven't poked it after reading that
[6:55] <MrCurious_> i put a adhesive ram chip heat sync on teh cpu, over clocked to 900 and 950 (i have 2) and they are stable and not that hot
[6:55] <squiggles> is it safe to run continuously without putting a fan on it
[6:55] <squiggles> i dont plan to turn my machine off
[6:55] <MrCurious_> my network chip is touchable room temp after extended use, though there is a fan aimed at it :)
[6:55] <coldguy> yes
[6:55] <kn100> also heh, gonna be waiting for 5 weeks yet I've just bought an ultrafast sd card, a dvi > vga cable, a 10 port usb hub,
[6:55] <MrCurious_> if it burns up, you can afford to replace it, (buy 2, the next may fry too)
[6:56] <squiggles> 'ultrafast'? does it have fin stabilizers on it?
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[6:56] <MrCurious_> racing stripes?
[6:56] <kn100> nah just rated for class 10 and can achieve up to 30MB/s for long write operations </drypan>
[6:57] <squiggles> deadpan is the expression youre looking for
[6:57] <kn100> lulz I guess sandisks red color scheme DOES make it faster
[6:58] <kn100> and fair enough, I'll get a couple of ram memory heatsinks just to be on the safe side, since this is gonna be stuck in a draw somewhere and left on permanently
[6:59] <MrCurious_> wonder if it has a alarm clock that could help it recover from hanging
[6:59] <kn100> MrCurious_, How did you overclock it? is that a 'feature'?
[6:59] <MrCurious_> you edit a file in /boot
[7:00] <kn100> Did you go any higher than 950? It's an armv6 chipset isn't it?
[7:00] <MrCurious_> i just added this to /boot/config.txt
[7:00] <MrCurious_> arm_freq=900
[7:00] <MrCurious_> sdram_freq=500
[7:00] <kn100> I remember my old LG phone had an armv6 chipset, wouldn't go higher than 900
[7:00] <MrCurious_> my other goes to 1000, but isnt as rock solid there as at 950
[7:01] <MrCurious_> and thats without upping voltages
[7:01] <kn100> MrCurious_, fair enough, I doubt I will need to overclock mine hopefully since It'll just be acting as a minecraft server, torrent box, and samba share
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[7:01] <kn100> none of those tasks are particularly cpu intensive afaik
[7:02] <MrCurious_> i didnt NEED to overclock it, it just kind of happened
[7:02] <kn100> heh
[7:02] <kn100> I'm so glad the devs went with an arm chipset and not a MIPS chipset
[7:03] <kn100> got a android tablet here with a 1ghz MIPS processor, it's a pain in the arse, nothings compatible with it, and while it's powerful nothings optimized for it
[7:03] <rm> that's only an Android problem
[7:03] <rm> real operating systems like Debian are optimized for MIPS alright
[7:03] <kn100> I know I know, mips as a platform is pretty interesting
[7:03] <rm> and MIPS is a nicer architecture than ARM
[7:03] <kn100> rm, really?
[7:03] <rm> that would actually make more sense to use MIPS to teach assembler on it
[7:04] <rm> but they used just what they happened to be able to obtain cheaply enough
[7:04] <kn100> this tablet is very similar to the pi in terms of functionality
[7:04] <rm> (and Eben works at Broadcom which makes this SoC)
[7:04] <kn100> slowish processor but capable of rendering 1080p content thanks to the rockchip
[7:05] <kn100> rm, Fair enough, I'm really curious to see how the thing performs just under basic desktop usage
[7:08] <MrCurious_> i wish they would make a version of the pi with no ethernet chip, and 2x the ram
[7:08] <RITRedbeard> and a arm cortex 8
[7:08] <kn100> I'm sort of glad it has ethernet - I cannot stand wifi
[7:08] <RITRedbeard> and a mali 400 with 4 cores/units
[7:08] <MrCurious_> rather see the 1.5ghz quad core cpu, but i doubt that will happen in the $35 range
[7:08] <kn100> and I'm sure the cats out of the bag on that one
[7:09] <kn100> seen other rasperry pi esque devices on ebay with more powerful hardware
[7:09] <kn100> raspberry*
[7:09] <RITRedbeard> what tastes better than a raspberry?
[7:11] <mikey_w> A strawberry.
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[7:11] <RITRedbeard> The conversation of this channel will not continue until we get a confirmed answer.
[7:11] <RITRedbeard> No.
[7:11] <RITRedbeard> Lock the channel.
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> We're stopping the show, folks, until we get a proper answer, here.
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> What tastes better than a raspberry?
[7:12] <MrCurious_> i suppose rpi could be a viable platform to run linux EMC for cnc on...
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> Ban.
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> Cantelope?
[7:12] <kn100> I am just so excited about having a setup that is on 24/7 that uses less than 10 watts
[7:12] <kn100> probably
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> Watermellon?
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> Ban.
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> Get out.
[7:12] <RITRedbeard> You knew the rules.
[7:12] <MrCurious_> i think mine sucks ~ 2W
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[7:13] <RITRedbeard> hahaha
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[7:13] <kn100> had ya goin'
[7:13] <kn100> RITRedbeard, wow
[7:13] <RITRedbeard> I doubt it, with the linear regulator
[7:14] <RITRedbeard> I wonder what a kill-o-watt would say?
[7:14] <kn100> I dunno how much power my final setup is gonna use but it's basically going to consist of a 2a 5v usb hub that's powering the pi and a 2.5'' usb hdd
[7:14] <kn100> basic maths says 10w max
[7:14] <kn100> not accounting for transformer inefficiency
[7:14] <MrCurious_> well, i have 2 pi's running off of a 5v 1A wall wart
[7:14] <RITRedbeard> I saw those thermal images of the Pi... not too promising...
[7:14] <MrCurious_> to me that says under 2.5w
[7:14] <kn100> RITRedbeard, ?
[7:14] <RITRedbeard> I run MK802 idle for hours and it barely feels warm.
[7:15] <MrCurious_> ty for asking that, my wall wart is cooking. time to re-home a board
[7:15] <RITRedbeard> They were on hackaday last week
[7:15] <RITRedbeard> someone took IR image of Raspberry Pi in various states.
[7:15] <kn100> MrCurious_, at least it's not exploding
[7:15] <kn100> RITRedbeard, source?
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[7:16] <kn100> as silly as it seems I'm half tempted to just glue a few pennies together and thermal paste that to the cpu on the pi
[7:16] <RITRedbeard> hackaday.org
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[7:16] <RITRedbeard> don't rice out your pi :(
[7:16] <Arch-MBP> RITRedbeard: i have a mk802 as well....funny how a 2x more powerfull device has so little community behind it
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[7:16] <rm> RITRedbeard, does your MK802 have a display connected?
[7:16] <RITRedbeard> Yes.
[7:17] <RITRedbeard> I need to format a microsd card to boot a proper operating system.
[7:17] <rm> mine was extremely hot with a display
[7:17] <kn100> That mk802...I was considering that before I got the pi
[7:17] <rm> but now I use a server kernel with the GPU disabled
[7:17] <rm> and it's much cooler
[7:17] <kn100> only got the pi because it was cheaper
[7:17] <RITRedbeard> maybe for power HDMI downlink sucks?
[7:17] <RITRedbeard> in Android?
[7:17] <rm> I figure the GPU part produces a major chunk of the heat
[7:19] <MrCurious_> wonder if you run it headless if there is a way to use the GPU for compute
[7:19] <kn100> Quick question, how physically big is the raspi SoC
[7:19] <MrCurious_> business card
[7:19] <rm> the soc
[7:19] <kn100> I mean the actual processing core
[7:20] <kn100> just roughly
[7:20] <rm> is like 1cm*1cm
[7:20] <rm> check the photos
[7:20] <kn100> hmn that should be fine, just trying to find suitable heatsinks
[7:20] <MrCurious_> i would say 1.3cm ^2
[7:20] * MrCurious_ looks at his calipur
[7:20] <MrCurious_> 0.48" sq
[7:21] <MrCurious_> ish
[7:21] <kn100> hmn found some that are 18(L) x 12(W)
[7:21] <kn100> cutting it close
[7:23] <kn100> oh god, my brain hurts: http://tirokartblog.wordpress.com/2012/07/17/mr-ups-sat-on-my-raspberry-pi/
[7:23] <kn100> that's depressing
[7:24] <harish> :-(
[7:25] <squiggles> dark knight rises spoiler
[7:25] <squiggles> bane and catwoman are bruce's parents
[7:25] <kn100> *covers eyes*
[7:26] <squiggles> shyamalan'd
[7:26] <kn100> still can't believe a $35 device can drive a 1920x1080 monitor
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[7:29] <Viperisthebest> hello
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[7:30] <Viperisthebest> Anyone here?
[7:30] <squiggles> barely
[7:31] <Viperisthebest> Can you power the raspberry pi with a wall socket if you dont have the 5v power supply or not?
[7:31] <squiggles> of course you can
[7:32] <Viperisthebest> well I need a bigger sd card, mine is only 2gb and I want to watch movies on it
[7:33] <rm> kn100, a $35 device can drive a 1920x1080 monitor <- + fanless + noiseless +cheap
[7:33] <squiggles> tell me more, i want to hear all about it
[7:33] <rm> :)
[7:33] <rm> but MK802 is better :p
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[7:34] <Viperisthebest> When I get a bigger sd card to power mine up with, I'm going to install vlc media player
[7:34] <squiggles> go on
[7:34] <rm> <Viperisthebest> Can you power the raspberry pi with a wall socket if you dont have the 5v power supply or not? <- yes you get a 5v power supply and then power it from the wall socket via the power supply
[7:35] <rm> or did you expect to plug 110/220V directly to the device?
[7:36] <squiggles> stop it, rm
[7:36] <squiggles> i want to hear more about his sd card
[7:36] <Viperisthebest> I dont have a bigger sd card, I will have to buy one
[7:37] <Viperisthebest> Where do you plug the big usb into once you have the power supply?
[7:38] <Viperisthebest> I know your suppose to plug the micro usb into the actual board
[7:38] <squiggles> what kind of movies are you going to watch using vlc player?
[7:39] <Viperisthebest> SD and HD
[7:39] <RITRedbeard> suspense thriller, mostly
[7:39] <RITRedbeard> murder mysteries
[7:39] <RITRedbeard> and a little pornography
[7:39] <RITRedbeard> why?
[7:40] <squiggles> how big of an sd card are you going to get
[7:40] <Viperisthebest> I'm not sure
[7:40] <RITRedbeard> 6"
[7:41] <Viperisthebest> well, I have to go, cya
[7:42] <RITRedbeard> cover my a.... ?
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[7:42] <RITRedbeard> My goodness.
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[7:49] <MrCurious_> wonder if there is a way to turn off the ethernet chip
[7:50] <MrCurious_> if only it had a jumper to depower it
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[7:51] <rm> you will turn off the USB too
[7:51] <RITRedbeard> do it
[7:52] <RITRedbeard> real men don't need USB
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[7:57] <MrCurious_> what, the ether chip gives usb?
[7:59] <RITRedbeard> they're both on the same IC
[7:59] <MrCurious_> hmmm
[7:59] <MrCurious_> ok
[8:00] <RITRedbeard> cheaper I guess?
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[8:18] <coldguy> arm_freq=800 ought to be safe enough, ya think?
[8:22] <RITRedbeard> 9001
[8:22] <coldguy> iso9001?
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[8:34] <coldguy> so tell me i'm not the only one who set their hostname to rasputin
[8:40] <Stoob> you probably are
[8:40] <Stoob> i cant wait til this weekend, lookin forward to carputer raspi shenanigans
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[8:40] <kobzar> hi people
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[8:53] <kobzar> who used raspbian?
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[8:55] <Arch-MBP> <--
[8:56] * gordonDrogon waves 'morning.
[8:56] * Arch-MBP waves back
[8:57] * Pickley waves madly
[8:58] * Cael is still awake
[8:58] <Cael> been trying to get RetroArch to work and im getting this error after fixing almost everything ./configure checks for http://pastebin.com/75h4n88c
[9:02] <Stoob> what are the possible issues with me disabling the polyfuses for the usb ports
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[9:08] <Cael> i dont know why its stoping at compiling at that spot
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[9:16] <Cael> wonder if its a issue with a corrupt download of the source :/
[9:17] <zarac> On the wiki for testing sd-cards, it says to use dd with if=/dev/null. If i do that it writes at 186MB/s and then 541MB/s, which kinda makes sense. Am i missing something here? (dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/usb/test.tmp bs=500K count=1024) Is it perhaps better to use /dev/random?
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[9:18] <zarac> source: http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#SD_card
[9:19] <coldguy> /dev/random will block on you when you run out of entropy
[9:19] <coldguy> /dev/zero's probably your best bet although i think it should be effectively the same as /dev/null
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[9:21] <zarac> i have haveged running
[9:21] <zarac> running /dev/zero gives me crazy results. ;&
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[9:23] <stealth``> this night I dreamt that I was programming...
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[9:25] <Arch-MBP> ive never seen an sd card give those kinda of results before
[9:27] <steve_rox> i wonder what insane project the pi will be involved in next
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[9:30] <Cael> hmm not corrupt download tried redownloadin twice and i still stop at that point
[9:30] <zarac> i'm trying with block size 1024 and count 1048576 (1024*1024) and get 22, 24, 25, 26MB/s
[9:31] <zarac> It's a kingston 8GB Class 10 bought in china (might be fake, who knows. price suggests it was real)
[9:32] <coldguy> maybe it's doing something funny with zero blocks
[9:34] <zarac> When i read (switch if and do of=/dev/null) i get 120, 893, 905, 887MB/s
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[9:37] <zarac> I tried adding nocache but then it says unrecognized operand nocache :( Am i doing it wrong? dd of=/dev/null if=/mnt/usb/test.tmp bs=1024 count=1048576 nocache
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[9:39] <zarac> ah, conv=nocache
[9:40] <zarac> nm :)
[9:40] <zarac> hmm
[9:41] <kobzar> i am whaiting rpi? may be i can greate a virtual mashine with pri parametrs and insyall OS?
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[9:43] <zarac> ooOo yay, it's oflag=nocache and iflag=nocache. you
[9:44] <zarac> kobzar: what do you mean pri parameters?
[9:44] <Cael> i think he ment "rpi"
[9:45] <zarac> You can write the image to your sd card and edit /boot/config.tx etc, i think. :)
[9:45] <Cael> he's more looking to use something like qemu to Emulate a pi while he waits for his to arrive
[9:45] <kobzar> yes rpi
[9:47] <Cael> but yes i belive you can in qemu
[9:47] <Cael> but it wont be Exact,
[9:47] <Cael> not all pi's are made the same.
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[9:52] <Gadgetoid> Some are more made than others
[9:52] <JMichaelX> not all pi's are made the same? are you just referring to the differences between the two models?
[9:53] <Gadgetoid> JMichaelX: depending on their origin, they are also populated with components from different manufacturers
[9:53] <JMichaelX> Gadgetoid: ok, that is what i was after. interesting, i had not known that.
[9:53] <Gadgetoid> The ones from Farnell, for example, have a small bead blue-tacced to them where the RAM should be, and a picture of an angry face drawn on the bottom
[9:54] <Cael> some pis as well depending on teh manufacture will take to overclocking differntly
[9:54] <Gadgetoid> Nobody knows quite how the angry face works as RAM, but presumably it's the same mechanism that women use to remember everything when they're annoyed
[9:54] <Cael> mine is ok w/o overvolting to 900MHZ but seem sto get flaky w/ anything else
[9:55] <Cael> (while it runs w/ the core_overclock, i see alot of "BAD IRQ 75" durring boot
[9:55] <JMichaelX> mine came from newark, and does not appear to have an angry face
[9:55] <Cael> *core_freq
[9:55] <Cael> mines from RS
[9:59] <Arch-MBP> Cael: i could only get mine to 850 without overvolting.....since i over volted now i can run at 1ghz
[10:00] <Cael> i could OC to 905 at max but only 5mhz wasnt worth it so i went even @ 900
[10:00] <Cael> but anything over 905 an di got kernel panics
[10:00] <hetii> HI :)
[10:00] <Cael> same with anything above 450 on core_freq
[10:01] <Cael> but from 301~450 on that i'd get more and more of those "BAD IRQ 75" messages and sometimes it'd panic
[10:01] <Cael> but i got to at max 90% framerate in vba w/ cpu @ 900/core freq at 450
[10:01] <Cael> so if i over volt to 1GHZ then i'll probblt hit 100%
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[10:02] <Cael> but soince im in a tight finacial bind atm. im not going to risk over volting till i can affor dto buy another pi or 2
[10:05] <Cael> but i think somethings wrong w. the experimental repo for RetroArch because teh stable "Main" one compiles
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[10:08] <drazyl> Gadgetoid - that's odd, mine has ram, but has the angry face in place of the ethernet jack, something to do with being supposed to pick up on communication automatically
[10:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> I've got 2 from farnell and 1 from rs , none have problems - all overclocked to 900 , well one is @ 950 but I get some bad irq 75's
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[10:11] <JMichaelX> is newark farnell?
[10:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> element 14 is farnell
[10:12] <JMichaelX> so newark is element 14 is farnell
[10:12] <JMichaelX> got it
[10:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah [gets confusing ]
[10:13] <nid0> the major differences with mine are just stickers
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[10:13] <nid0> my really early farnell one has a ce sticker underneath, my later rs one has an etched ce and fcc underneath, and a "ce" on top
[10:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> actually - the 950 o/ced one is farnell but it stopped automagiclly dectecting the hdmi - I have to have hdmi_force_hotplug=1 in the config.txt
[10:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> it started off fine but then after about a week it would no longer auto detect
[10:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> didi matter on which image was used...
[10:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> didnt*
[10:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> so that one is now my experimnetal version ... ;-p
[10:18] <JMichaelX> my newark/farnell pi seems to have no angry faces. i don't know whether i should feel happy, disappointed or ambivalent
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[10:19] <JMichaelX> i think i'll go with ambivalent
[10:19] <drazyl> JMchaelX - you should be sad face if you don't have angry face
[10:19] <JMichaelX> drazyl: angry face is better?
[10:20] <JMichaelX> i could possibly draw one on there
[10:20] <drazyl> that would work
[10:21] <JMichaelX> great, then i could be happy face, because i have aangry face
[10:21] <JMichaelX> angry*
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[10:26] <Cael> well i got it to compile but wont run and i posted on a help topic about it hopefully in a day or so i'll see replies
[10:26] <Cael> but for now i think i'll record teh next episode in my LP series using the Pi.
[10:26] <Cael> (a small youtube bit where i do LP of ScummVM games played on the Pi)
[10:27] <Cael> later everyone.
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[10:41] <Stoob> damn 3.3v levels
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[10:56] <kobzar> what Wm the best for touchscreen on 3.5 inch display?
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[10:57] <gordonDrogon> hi. so my mornings all gone to pot with the delivery of a new cooker.
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> and I'm in the middle of baking some pastry too.
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[10:58] <gordonDrogon> this is the raspberry pie channel, no?
[10:59] <Arch-MBP> lol
[10:59] <Sm0ke0ut> omnomnom
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[11:10] <Stoob> http://www.obddiag.net/products.html think this is the cheapest/easiest way to interface an RPi with ODBII? (The allpro adapter kit)
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[11:11] <Stoob> since it's apparently USB I can imagine it might be reasonably easier to use than the sparkfun odb2 adapter (which uses RS232 @ 5v)
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[11:11] <Stoob> also, seriously @ chaoshax?
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[11:15] <Gachl> 6_9
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[11:19] <gordonDrogon> how do I ognore all this rubbish from chaosx?
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[11:19] <rabbidrabbit> kill it with fire
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> any ops. online who can just ban him temporarily?
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[11:29] <kobzar> some one have xorg.conf on 3.5 inch display ?
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[11:30] <RITRedbeard> http://old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=277
[11:30] <RITRedbeard> I wish I had a NeXTCube in '90
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[11:31] <RITRedbeard> beautiful machine
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[11:33] <RITRedbeard> like Acorn A4
[11:36] <steve_rox> i rember them things
[11:36] <RITRedbeard> "The Convex 3800 used advanced technology gallium arsenide gate arrays. The Basic system held two processors, 512 Mbytes of RAM and 34 GB of disk capacity. It was air-cooled. Its higher speed was of 240 Mflops (Millions of floating-point operations per second) in 64-bit and 480 Mflops in 32-bit computations.
[11:36] <RITRedbeard> Fully configured with 8 processors and 4 gigabytes of RAM (pictured configuration), the monster could hit a speed of 2 gigaflops. "
[11:36] <RITRedbeard> Heh heh.
[11:36] <steve_rox> hope they get riscos emulated/runing on the pi :-P
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[11:37] <RITRedbeard> I'm trying to look at old computers around the time IBM clones were taking over/8086, 486
[11:37] <RITRedbeard> it would have really sucked to have bought a NeXTStation or something around that time
[11:37] <RITRedbeard> well by the time socket 7 was introduced, I mean.
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[11:38] <RITRedbeard> Except the Archimedes looks dead sexy in function and form.
[11:40] <GibbaTheHutt> I think riscos is working on Pi (may not be stable)
[11:40] <RITRedbeard> http://old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=801 Toshiba had a tablet before iPad :P :P
[11:40] <RITRedbeard> actually the original thinkpad was supposed to be a a tablet
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[11:42] <RITRedbeard> What's RiscOS like?
[11:42] <RITRedbeard> window manager like old Mac OS?
[11:42] <Stoob> any suggested heatsink kits for Rpis?
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[11:42] <RITRedbeard> lol oh my god heatsinks for RPi!
[11:42] <RITRedbeard> Isn't that made on a 45nm process? why get so hot?
[11:43] <RITRedbeard> look for old computer northbridge heatsinks
[11:43] <steve_rox> im tempted to get a sink for mine ;-)
[11:43] <RITRedbeard> the A10 based MK802 doesn't get nearly anywhere that hot
[11:43] <Stoob> They don't get super hot, but it's enough to blow $0.25 on a tiny heatsink
[11:43] <Stoob> anywhere near how hot?
[11:44] <stealth``> my brother used to run his old pentium 133MHz without a heatsink because it took us weeks to discover it had stopped working...
[11:44] <RITRedbeard> hot as the broadcom SoC
[11:46] <Stoob> http://www.afrotechmods.com/ram.htm
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[11:49] <steve_rox> random question , do you think a "bluetooth" based keyboard will be useable on the pi? i dont know if it will auto tune to keyboard at hardware level or if you need some cheesy software to "pear" with it
[11:49] <Stoob> pair*. i actually just plugged my bluetooth adapter into my rpi but I haven't had a chance to play with it yet (and I don't have a bluetooth keyboard to test with, sorry)
[11:50] <steve_rox> hmmz
[11:50] <steve_rox> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Bluetooth-Mini-Rii-Wireless-Keyboard-with-Touchpad-V2-0-For-Laptop-PC-UK-/261054916032?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_KeyboardsMice&hash=item3cc815e5c0
[11:50] <steve_rox> thats the one in question anyways
[11:54] <Gachl> why is the apple logo green?
[11:54] <Gadgetoid> steve_rox: you would need to fiddle to get it to pair, as the bluetooth dongle is simply that
[11:54] <steve_rox> damn :-P
[11:54] <Gadgetoid> A 3.5Ghz wireless dongle simulates a HID keyboard (and possibly also mouse in this case) so has better compatibility with things, but bluetooth being bluetooth needs software setup and fiddling to get it to work
[11:54] <steve_rox> i dont know enough about linux in order to fiddle in the first place
[11:54] <Gadgetoid> I've heard that the 3.5Ghz Rii works with the Pi, though, but the trackpad is a bit quirky
[11:55] <Gadgetoid> Sorry, 2.4Ghz even
[11:55] <Gachl> I know the logitech diNovo Mini works with the pi without any fiddling
[11:55] <Gachl> and afaik this one has a bluetooth stick thing too
[11:56] <Gachl> oh it says it's pre-paired :x
[11:56] <steve_rox> hmmz
[11:56] <steve_rox> pitty would of been a cute keyboard to have on it
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[12:11] <skiwithpete> hi
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[12:12] <skiwithpete> is there a channel for arch users of the Raspi?
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[12:15] <skiwithpete> I need overscan on my tv, but at the minute, I can't even see the edges of arch, I see "i login:"
[12:16] <skiwithpete> how can I make this narrower?
[12:16] <rabbidrabbit> skiwithpete: Interesting. I actually have the same problem, but usually ssh in, so haven't bothered to fix it.
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[12:18] <skiwithpete> rabbidrabbit: I've googled the heck out of it, and I've gone to the Arch room - but they're no help
[12:18] <skiwithpete> rabbidrabbit: I just don't know what to do now...
[12:19] <stealth``> does the pi run in text mode or frame buffer graphics mode? (I'm waiting for mine to arrive)
[12:19] <skiwithpete> i tried just hammering in "maxwidth=80" and "MAXWIDTH=80" just as guesses, but neither did anything
[12:19] <rabbidrabbit> skiwithpete: Yeah, I have no idea how to fix it
[12:20] <skiwithpete> stealth``: depends if you go Debian (graphical) or Arch (text)
[12:20] <stealth``> I see..
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[12:20] <skiwithpete> stealth``: based on your question, I'd try debian
[12:20] <rabbidrabbit> Though you can have graphical on arch. Just takes more time.
[12:21] <skiwithpete> stealth``: I was in a windows interface on Debian in just a few seconds (well maybe a minute)
[12:21] <Hattara-pilvi> So I have lost audio. omxplayer/alsa-apps(aplay/speaker-test/...) not even hello_audio works. Nothing is outputted to the HDMI or analog output.
[12:21] <skiwithpete> yeah, loving Arch on my HTPC, but it just takes time to configure everything to your liking (like 2 weeks of evenings)
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[12:22] <skiwithpete> rabbidrabbit: where could I look for the answer that I haven't looked already
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[12:23] <stealth``> skiwithpete: I was just thinking that it might be easier to fix if you have the console running on framebuffer (graphics) than pure text... but that's just a guess I haven't looked into those things myself
[12:23] <rabbidrabbit> I run with graphics and that didn't help at all.
[12:23] <skiwithpete> stealth``: yeah, but I mean, I got my pi today, and I just booted into Arch
[12:24] <rabbidrabbit> Nope thats not the problem. At least I don't think so.
[12:24] <skiwithpete> Hattara-pilvi: what are you running?
[12:25] <Hattara-pilvi> skiwithpete: Arch. Everything is 100% up-to-date firmware, kernel (it is custom statically build, but it DID work)
[12:25] <Hattara-pilvi> I have done several reboot and stuff but, with no effect at all
[12:25] <rabbidrabbit> skiwithpete: Have you posted on the forums?
[12:26] <skiwithpete> which forum should I use?
[12:26] <rabbidrabbit> this one. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=53
[12:27] <rabbidrabbit> Thats the raspberrypi arch forum.
[12:27] <skiwithpete> Hattara-pilvi: I'm not that far along with my arch setup on the pi yet, but I don't think it is preconfigured, is it?
[12:28] <skiwithpete> wait, did you lose audio or did you never have it?
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[12:30] <Hattara-pilvi> skiwithpete: I lost it. It was there (yesterday/the day before yeaterday)
[12:30] <Hattara-pilvi> skiwithpete: In Arch it is just installing alsa libs and modpobbing the snd module...
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[12:34] <skiwithpete> check it didn't just mute on you with an upgrade
[12:35] <Hattara-pilvi> What is even stranger is that when routing the analog output to my PC's line in I can see the there is some noice on the line from the volume app's input volume visualizer.. but no sound can bea heard...
[12:36] <Hattara-pilvi> It isin't muted, that is the 1st thing I checked
[12:36] <Hattara-pilvi> and volume is cranked up to 100%
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[12:38] <skiwithpete> check in the program that its set to the right output (ie Default or hw:1.X)
[12:39] <skiwithpete> rabbidrabbit: I've posted to the forum
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[12:41] <Hattara-pilvi> skiwithpete: But it is not just alsa apps. It is omxplayer and hello_audio, which are gardcoded to use the Pi's outputs. And I only have one audio dev connected so there can't even be wrong devices it could use...
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[12:42] <skiwithpete> Hattara-pilvi: i'm afriad I don't know the answer
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[12:46] <Arch-MBP> anyone know the command to resize the fs if it???s a normal dd?
[12:46] <Arch-MBP> err hdd
[12:47] <Hattara-pilvi> fdisk/cfdisk/parted/gparted/gdisk.....
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[12:48] <Hattara-pilvi> XD fs not partition.... ext2resize
[12:48] <Hattara-pilvi> 'btrfs resize' for btrfs filesystems...
[12:49] <Arch-MBP> well i was hoping i could do a resize using the raspi-config method
[12:49] <Hattara-pilvi> gparted can resize both FS and partition
[12:49] <Arch-MBP> yeah ill have to use a live cd...its currently mounted right now
[12:51] <Hattara-pilvi> adding hdmi_drive=2 to config.txt fixed audio.... now I just need to get my output back to 1360x768 from this VGA console...
[12:54] <Hattara-pilvi> Well this is acward..... forcing the HDMI mode results in only CEA mode 2 to be avaiable..... not even the reglar 720p modes are not there....
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[13:18] <rabbidrabbit> skiwithpete: Theres a response to your question on the forums.
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[13:19] <rabbidrabbit> skiwithpete: Try changing the overscan_left and overscan_right values
[13:20] <rabbidrabbit> skiwithpete: He is using composite out though
[13:22] <rabbidrabbit> skiwithpete: Also read this. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5786
[13:24] <rabbidrabbit> skiwithpete: yep. I'm pretty sure changing the overscan_left/right/top/bottom values will help
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[13:43] <skiwithpete> rabbidrabbit: posted to the thread, still need to get the settings correct
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[13:46] <rabbidrabbit> skiwithpete: Cool. Well at least I now know which setting I should experiment with to fix it mysefl.
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[13:48] <skiwithpete> rabbidrabbit: which windows manager did you install?
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[13:48] <skiwithpete> LXDE? openbox?
[13:48] <rabbidrabbit> I used lxde
[13:49] <skiwithpete> cant decide if I want LXDE or openbox
[13:49] <Mike632T> I'm trying to control a MCP23017 from C I can open the device but I can't work out from the data sheet how to send any commands to the chip are S and SR individual bits or bit patterns..? Is these an existing library that wraps the low level stuff up?
[13:50] <rabbidrabbit> skiwithpete: You could try both.
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[13:54] <jra___> Mike632T, I used a standard i2c-library for my mcp23017
[13:57] <Mike632T> Where would I find that (just found /linux/i2c.h at the moment - but it isn't making too much sense yet)..
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[14:03] <Xark> Mike632T: Have you seen http://nathan.chantrell.net/20120519/raspberry-pi-and-the-mcp23017-i2c-io-expander/
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[14:07] <Mike632T> Reading http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1824&appnote=en027237 and things are starting to make more sense - assuming that having opened the device I just need to send the appropriate bytes to select the register set modes etc...
[14:08] <jra___> I used the stuff on the link Xark just pasted
[14:08] <Mike632T> Yes I had - now makes more sense.
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[14:48] <buZz> raspbian = awesome :)
[14:48] <dmsuse> how so?
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[14:49] <buZz> dmsuse: its fast ;)
[14:49] <buZz> well faster
[14:49] <dmsuse> oh :p
[14:49] <dmsuse> i aint been able to try it yet, cant get my keyboard working
[14:49] <buZz> raspbian has ssh enabled by default
[14:49] <buZz> well, some images at least
[14:50] <buZz> i was also amazed by the network performance of the ethernet!
[14:50] <buZz> actual 10MB/sec download! amazing
[14:50] <dmsuse> lol
[14:50] <dmsuse> you must have a very good sd card?
[14:51] <buZz> wget -O/dev/null http://verylocalserver/100mb.bin
[14:51] <buZz> ;)
[14:51] <dmsuse> ah lol
[14:51] <booyaa> howdy chaps
[14:52] <buZz> loo
[14:52] <dmsuse> how do you have such a fast connection too :P
[14:52] <dmsuse> hi
[14:52] <buZz> dmsuse: just a LAN server
[14:52] <buZz> nearby
[14:52] <buZz> at our hackerspace :P
[14:52] <dmsuse> kk
[14:53] <dmsuse> kk/
[14:53] <dmsuse> you tried X browsing yet?
[14:53] <buZz> no dont really have a good screen for it :/
[14:53] <buZz> besides a projector ...
[14:54] <dmsuse> :)
[14:54] <jra___> 4c
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[14:55] <buZz> i am looking into setting up a raspbian mirror in .nl
[14:55] <buZz> as we dont have any atm :D
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[14:56] <dmsuse> there was a post on the main page a few months ago asking for providers, there should be instructions there
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[14:57] <booyaa> good call buZz
[14:57] <booyaa> make it so
[14:58] <dmsuse> number 1
[14:58] <nid0> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianMirrors
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[15:06] <buZz> ok, contacted an ISP
[15:06] <buZz> they do most of .nl traffic
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[15:17] <buZz> hmmm
[15:17] <buZz> i think i will turn my raspi into a piratebox today
[15:17] <buZz> http://wiki.daviddarts.com/PirateBox
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[15:44] <dirty_d> jeez git is slow as all hell
[15:45] <spine55> clear
[15:46] <Tobias|> Really dirty_d? That's interesting
[15:46] <Tobias|> Using one of the updated releases of raspbian/whatever?
[15:47] <dirty_d> cloning bootc's kernel
[15:48] <dirty_d> no, on my PC
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[15:48] <friggle> dirty_d: do bear in mind the kernel repo is rather massive
[15:48] <dirty_d> hmm, i dont remember the kernel source beingthis big, its at 13% and 125MB
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[15:49] <dirty_d> hrmm, whats the most sane way to include a file in the kernel source into my module?
[15:50] <dirty_d> CFLAGS and -I doesnt seem to work in my Makefile
[15:50] <dirty_d> for now i just copied them into my module directory which works, but is stupid
[15:51] <bootc> dirty_d: remember that a git clone by default will download the whole history of the kernel
[15:52] <dirty_d> bootc, oh i dont want that. how do i make it not?
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[15:52] <bootc> dirty_d: http://blogs.gnome.org/simos/2009/04/18/git-clones-vs-shallow-git-clones/
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[15:55] <dirty_d> well thats much better
[15:56] <buZz> ha
[15:56] <buZz> leaseweb is now setting up a mirror for raspbian's repo ;)
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[16:00] <dirty_d> bootc, this is right isnt it? "git checkout rpi-3.2.21"
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[16:02] <dirty_d> is this because of the shallow clone?
[16:03] <xaxes> hey together.. doesn anybody use a screen using the DSI port on its raspberry?
[16:03] <buZz> xaxes: probably not
[16:03] <buZz> as there is no software support yet ;)
[16:03] <mikey_w> what can I do to increase ease of use for someone visibly impaired?
[16:04] <xaxes> buZz: ah, okay ^^ thank you ;)
[16:04] <bootc> dirty_d: yes, the git checkout is right after you do a clone
[16:04] <buZz> mikey_w: install text2speech?
[16:04] <bootc> I never use shallow clones so I don't know if it's not working because of that
[16:05] <mikey_w> What about a scrolling window magnifier for the desktop?
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[16:08] <ReggieUK> high contrast themes
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[16:09] <xaxes> buZz: any suggestion how to get a cheap little screen working with rasp? I mean Im just wondering if I could drive a rasp+display with the 5V micro-usb connector..
[16:09] <ReggieUK> unlikely
[16:09] <buZz> xaxes: old Nokia screen?
[16:09] <buZz> what do you want to display?
[16:09] <mikey_w> No I want the full desktop size but a changable view resolution to move around the decktop with.
[16:09] <xaxes> buZz: only old G1 ;)
[16:09] <buZz> G1 is faster than raspi :P
[16:10] <xaxes> buZz: in best case a video or something like that ..
[16:10] <buZz> well not much chance
[16:10] <xaxes> buZz: yeah ^^ but it hasn't such a wide community
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[16:10] <buZz> you would be suprised ;)
[16:10] <xaxes> s/wide/big/
[16:10] <buZz> its just that most android phone users dont even realize its a linux box
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[16:11] <xaxes> buZz: no, that's not a problem.. but remembering "the old days", the debian support on G1 wasn't the best ;)
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[16:12] <mathijs> speaking of android we're working on android on the pi, I have a question one of you might know the answer to
[16:13] * gordonDrogon sighs.
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> managed to screw-up a relwase of wiringPi.
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[16:13] <gordonDrogon> what a muppet.
[16:13] <ReggieUK> and the spelling of release....
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[16:13] <gordonDrogon> and I've just broken a pie case I made this morning.
[16:13] <buZz> gordonDrogon: from which material?
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> yea, my dyslexia gets the better of me. and my rubbish typing.
[16:13] <mathijs> does anyone know if the framebuffer driver for the Pi supports double buffering?
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> buZz, pate sucre.
[16:14] <buZz> sugar?
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> sweet pasty.
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[16:14] <gordonDrogon> doh. sweet pastry.
[16:14] <buZz> lol
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> edible.
[16:14] <buZz> hehehe
[16:14] <buZz> i make my cases from PLA
[16:14] <ReggieUK> I had no idea you were dyslexic gordonDrogon
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> Pie case, not Pi case :)
[16:14] <buZz> survive my hunger longer
[16:14] <ReggieUK> many apologies
[16:15] <buZz> i am dyslexic when i do ketamine :P
[16:15] <buZz> hrhr
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> dyslexic, left-handed, can't read joined up writing. Not got a lot going for me, really..
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> still ... the pasrty does taste good. it's not going in the bin!
[16:16] <buZz> cool :D
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> and this mornings bread was good too - got some new tins.
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> and our new bbq was pretty amazing. had bbq lunch.
[16:16] <buZz> its great to make your own bread
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> I make sourdough.
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[16:16] <buZz> well which ever you like
[16:16] <buZz> its just local production
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[16:16] <buZz> for which i am a great supporter
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> although the flour is imported from gloucestershire.
[16:17] <buZz> oh thats sad
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> devon doesn't grow good wheat.
[16:17] <buZz> we have a local mill thats actually producing
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[16:17] <buZz> real windmill
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> there's a couple of water mills in Devon - one at Ottery which I keep meaning to go to, but they don't do a white - only wholemeal.
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[16:18] <gordonDrogon> and much as I like wholemeal, sometimes you need a white.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> especially for pastry.
[16:18] <buZz> or for pasta
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> don't make that. hardly eat it either.
[16:19] <buZz> boooo, pasta is awesome
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> pope joe: http://unicorn.drogon.net/joe.jpg
[16:21] <reider59> brown bread with nutty slack in mmmmm
[16:22] <dirty_d> what the hell is that?
[16:22] <buZz> those plants behind it look depressed ;)
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> that's a Kamado grill.
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> a very posh bbq.
[16:22] <reider59> malted Danish
[16:22] <buZz> how many raspis does that cost gordonDrogon ? :D
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> the plants are fine...
[16:22] <buZz> ok
[16:23] <buZz> ha!
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> buZz, you don't want to know, but I have a couple of months of moorbakes.co.uk to sell to pay for it!!!
[16:23] <buZz> leaseweb's mirror has gone live
[16:23] <buZz> they also made a .de and .us mirror
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> it's actually an olive tree in the big plant pot - smoked olives this year...
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> those little flowery things are wifeys idea...
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[16:25] <reider59> Right now I sorted my mixture and throttle settings out it`s time for a flight along the Mersey and the canal to the M56 bridge, turn and land at Barton in FSX. Mixture kept cutting in and I lost revs/engine power on take off and landing. At Barton its a grass field and wire fence just after the M56 flyover so its tricky enough without throttle/mixture problems.
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> sounds fun :)
[16:26] <ReggieUK> real plane reider59?
[16:26] <reider59> over run the runway and it`s another wire fence lol
[16:26] <reider59> no, simulator
[16:26] <reider59> FSX
[16:27] <buZz> running simulator on raspi?
[16:27] <reider59> No but someone has a sim on it, not FSX
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[16:28] <reider59> I may use the LCD as ACIO prompts for the airport codes like Liverpool EGGP to Barton EGCB. the GPS needs them to set a flight but I`m not using the GPS this time
[16:29] <Gachl> jeez I think I'll make some electronic stash protector with my pi :\
[16:29] <Gachl> my room mate thinks I'm some kind of free weed dispenser >:(
[16:30] <buZz> http://mirror.nl.leaseweb.net/raspbian/ :D
[16:30] <cmug> Better yet, let it run empty and stop using.
[16:30] <buZz> Gachl: bah
[16:30] <buZz> Gachl: make an electric fence around it ;)
[16:31] <buZz> hmm i should get some new
[16:31] <reider59> woo hoo, if I`m taking off RW27 at Liverpool, just got the confirmation from the tower, then the wind should be the same at Barton so I get my fave approach over the bridge
[16:31] <Gachl> yea, a 5V 25mA fence
[16:31] <buZz> lol
[16:31] <Gachl> that'll teach him
[16:31] <buZz> thats not gonna do good ;)
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[16:33] <reider59> <<< wears a hat with sensors on and the monitor has a special cam. I look left and the view turns to the left wind, look right and view turns right, up/down same and lean forward to zoom in on the controls etc. Go outside the plane and look around the airport the same way. this simulator is brilliant
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[16:35] <aaa801> Hexxeh, you in here?
[16:35] <aaa801> dammit =/, Anyone have double buffering working on the bcm2708 framebuffer yet?
[16:36] <buZz> NO CURSING
[16:36] <buZz> ZOMG
[16:36] <buZz> WORLDS WILL COLLAPSE!
[16:36] <aaa801> eeeeeek
[16:36] <buZz> LITTLE NEMO IS CRYING NOW
[16:36] <aaa801> thats ok,
[16:36] * aaa801 noms nemo
[16:36] <buZz> yeah
[16:37] <buZz> i know for a fact that little nemo never uses /sbin/halt but just removes power
[16:37] <buZz> so he fsck's a lot
[16:37] <buZz> ;)
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, does it support double buffering from the arm side? when I tried to enable it in SDL all sorts of weird things started to happen.
[16:38] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: If we had a spec sheet...
[16:38] <aaa801> Its giving us hell in android
[16:38] <aaa801> ;(
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[16:39] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: out of curiosity, what resolution was you running at
[16:39] <buZz> yeah boredcom is not really a documenting factory
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[16:39] <aaa801> because the driver has some issues with 1200+ lines, so you can only run at 800*600 for double buffering ATM
[16:40] <aaa801> and even then its glitchy
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[16:40] <aaa801> if (yres > 1200) {
[16:40] <aaa801> pr_err("bcm2708_fb_check_var: ERROR: VerticalTotal >= 1200; "
[16:40] <aaa801> "special treatment required! (TODO)\n");
[16:43] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: wake up
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, sorry - was elsewhere.
[16:43] <aaa801> readup
[16:43] <aaa801> ;)
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[16:43] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, any resolution - whatever I had to hand - it was 1280x1024 on my desktop monitor and usually 640x480 on the compost monitor, but sometimes it would change depending on overscane, etc.
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> I thought 1080 was the max. vertical lines...
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> that it could do.
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[16:46] <mathijs> but for double buffering, it does need 2*vres, or so I thought
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[16:56] <dirty_d> anyone good with git?
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[16:57] <dogmatic69> dirty_d: I am quite
[16:58] <dirty_d> dogmatic69, i have bootc's repo, and ive checked out the rpi-3.2.21 branch. the while directory is over a 1G. I just want to use it to compile the kernel and have the source to compile a module im writing
[16:59] <dirty_d> so how do i just extract the code from the repo?
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[16:59] <dogmatic69> you dont "extract" it
[16:59] <dogmatic69> its there
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[16:59] <dogmatic69> if you check out a branch, the code is there
[16:59] <dirty_d> dogmatic69, well i know i can just compile it there
[17:00] <dirty_d> but i dont need all the extra stuff from git in /usr/src
[17:00] <dirty_d> i just want the kernel source
[17:00] <dogmatic69> just like compiling anything else. depends how its setup and whatever
[17:00] <dirty_d> its like 1.5GB
[17:00] <dogmatic69> what is the link to the repo?
[17:00] <dirty_d> if i untar a tarball from kernel.org its much smaller
[17:00] <dirty_d> https://github.com/bootc/linux
[17:00] <gordonDrogon> then you have to apply all the Pi patches though...
[17:01] <dirty_d> no, this is all ready to go
[17:01] <buZz> can you guys tell me what rpi-update actually updates?
[17:01] <dirty_d> it has the patches etc
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> you might want to upgrade to .23 while you're at it ..
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, the standard linux.org kernel? Wow. thought they'd take years to get merged in ...
[17:01] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, im going to when i get home, im sshed in from work and i dont feel like taking a change of rebooting and then not having a connection to keep working on this
[17:01] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, :)
[17:01] <dirty_d> no
[17:01] <dirty_d> thats not what im taling about
[17:01] <dogmatic69> dirty_d: so if you done git clone foobar and then git checkout rpi-3.2.21 you are good to go.
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> ok
[17:02] <dogmatic69> follow what ever guide for compiling it
[17:02] <dirty_d> dogmatic69, yes i know and ive already compiled it
[17:02] <dirty_d> i dont think you understnad what my problem is
[17:02] <dogmatic69> dirty_d: then what ever you need is not a git related issue, the git part is done
[17:02] <dirty_d> i just want the state of the kernel code at the rpi-3.2.21 branch
[17:03] <dirty_d> not all the past history stuff and git stuff thats using 1.5GB
[17:03] <dogmatic69> https://github.com/bootc/linux/tree/rpi-3.2.21/kernel
[17:03] <Simon-> git clone --depth 1
[17:03] <dirty_d> i want his rpi-3.2.21 source tree with no git files and no past history etc
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[17:04] <bootc> dirty_d: you can remove the .git directory if you like
[17:04] <dirty_d> isthat the only thing i need to do?
[17:04] <bootc> but you'll then lose the ability to switch branches or whatnot
[17:04] <bootc> yep
[17:04] <dirty_d> yea i dont want to
[17:04] <dirty_d> i just need the kernel source to compile
[17:04] <dirty_d> ok cool, thanks
[17:05] <dirty_d> hmm, the source tree is still 500MB
[17:06] <dirty_d> i guess thats normal
[17:06] <dirty_d> i thought i remembered it being smaller
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[17:08] <dirty_d> all i need it for is to compile a module im working on, i only need the headers in the source tree right?
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[17:12] <reider59> If I took the files out of examples then where is the best place to compile them if I make any changes? They rely on other files don`t they?
[17:12] <reider59> that`s the siringPi examples
[17:12] <reider59> *wiringPi
[17:13] <dirty_d> i guess ill look at the PKGBUILD of arch's linux-api-headers to see how to make a "Kernel headers sanitized for use in userspace"
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> they're be ok anywhere.
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> once witingpi is installed, the headers are in /usr/local/include and the library is in /usr/local/lib
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> *wiringPi )-:
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> can't even type my own thing now.
[17:16] <reider59> thanks
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, I've never built a module outside the kernel tree before - but something is telling me that I think you might need to make sure that /lib/modules/x.y.z is present for the kernel you're building against too.
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> I may be wrong, but it's just one of those things I may have read in the past.
[17:18] <dirty_d> nah it doesnt rely on anything in /lib/modules
[17:18] <dirty_d> just the kernel source tree
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> reider59, use the Makefile for the gpio program as an example Makefile if you're using make, etc.
[17:18] <akSeya> folks.. anyone running squid on raspbian?
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> akSeya, no, but I've run it on other Linux systems - I'd not envisage any issues with it.
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> akSeya, although it might be slower than just fetching the web pages directly!!
[17:19] <akSeya> that's what I was thinking.. i don't need caching
[17:19] <dirty_d> im gonna try to put together a userspace gpio lib and a kernel modules for interrupts via signals
[17:20] <akSeya> i was thinking about tinyproxy
[17:20] <reider59> okies. That`s the only problem I have now. Geany says their`s several problems when it trieds to compile. But as the original compiled file is in there it must be OK, all I did was carefully change the pin numbers to match the ones I use in Python. All I can think is it`s because the examples are there but no headers.
[17:20] <reider59> or something
[17:20] <blueskies> hey guys
[17:21] <blueskies> dont know if youve seen it yet ... Chromium for @Raspberry_Pi BETA, available now!
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[17:21] <blueskies> http://hexxeh.net/?p=328117859
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[17:21] <reider59> I saw that, there was a fix to install it yesterday.
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> reider59, I know nothing of geany ..
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[17:21] <reider59> That makes two of us lol
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> blueskies, got it yesterday. works a treat.
[17:21] <blueskies> awesome :)
[17:22] <blueskies> did you overclock?
[17:22] <reider59> It seems to work as expected with Python though
[17:22] <reider59> I`ll get there
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[17:23] <M0RBD> tro-lo-lo-loo
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[17:23] <reider59> But when you know nothing about C and next to nothing about Python it`s all about as clear as mud ;-)
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[17:25] <reider59> pi
[17:25] <reider59> oops
[17:26] <reider59> <<< stopped about mid runway at Barton, for 5:45am and partial light that wasn`t bad
[17:27] <reider59> In the real world I doubt it would be operational then
[17:28] <gordonDrogon> The Pi I was running it on was OC's to 900MHz.
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[17:32] <WASDx> Finally got myself a breadboard :)
[17:32] <reider59> good eggs
[17:33] <reider59> don`t take it apart like I did lol
[17:33] <WASDx> nope
[17:34] <ReggieUK> hey, nothing wrong with taking them apart, at least you learn how to put them back together :)
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[17:34] <ReggieUK> poundland/poundstretcher etc. do the double sided sticky foam to replace the stuff you lose
[17:35] <reider59> letters were wrong way round compared to an online experiment. thought I `d stuck it down wrong way and the adhesive wouldn`t come off. so I prised it apart and swapped all the contects from one side to the other, took ages to get it right. Next experiment the letters were the same way as how I had them previously.....you live and learn ;-)
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[17:35] <reider59> *contacts
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[17:38] <Mjiig> where is raspbian development going on? Liz said it was community built but the sub-forum for it seems to mostly be support
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[17:45] <friggle> Mjiig: see raspbian.org and drop by #raspbian
[17:45] <Mjiig> friggle: thanks
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[17:48] <Mike632T> Yay - Got the MCP23017 working nicely from C - don't those little blinken-lights flash quickly now!
[17:48] <Mike632T> It was easier than I thought it was going to be once I found the the application notes.
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[17:54] <WASDx> wohoo, I got a button working :D
[17:57] <WASDx> how am I supposed to listen for keypresses? A while loop which constantly checks if it's pressed?
[17:57] <dirty_d> you cna use the files in /dev/input
[17:57] <WASDx> I'm using /sys/class/gpio/gpio25/value right now
[17:58] <dirty_d> oh
[17:58] <dirty_d> so not a keyboard
[17:58] <WASDx> nope
[17:58] <reider59> button on a breadboard.....
[17:58] <WASDx> following http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_NvDTZIaS4
[17:58] <dirty_d> im working on something that you could use, it uses interrupts
[17:58] <WASDx> got it set up like that
[17:58] <WASDx> I'm about to look at his code for listening
[17:58] <ReggieUK> gpio-keys works on the pi
[17:59] <ReggieUK> presents itself as an input device
[17:59] <ReggieUK> just needs a little fiddling in /arch/arm/bcmXXXX/bcmXXXX.c
[18:00] <ReggieUK> http://pastebin.com/Du463RdR
[18:01] <ReggieUK> linux/arch/arm/mach-bcm2708/bcm2708.c
[18:01] <WASDx> seems a bit beyond me
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[18:02] <WASDx> his code just has a while true
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[18:02] <ReggieUK> search for reggie in that code and you'll see what I added to make it work
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[18:03] <ReggieUK> then you just select the gpio-keys/mouse in menuconfig, hook up some buttons and that's it, job done
[18:03] <WASDx> I'll just check it 10 times per second or so. I don't have any performanc needs
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[18:04] <WASDx> perfect
[18:04] <WASDx> while true; do cat gpio25/value > gpio22/value; sleep 0.1; done
[18:06] <WASDx> meh, it takes 20% cpu...
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[18:06] <dirty_d> use C
[18:06] <WASDx> I'll look into it
[18:06] <ReggieUK> not sure what gpio-keys uses but if the gpio have interrupts working properly now, it could be as fast as normal keyboard input is
[18:07] <ReggieUK> and the same performance hit
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[18:14] <WASDx> This it how my setup looks now http://i.imgur.com/d2PDU.jpg
[18:15] <mm0zct> did you find an IDE ribbon that wasn't keyed?
[18:15] <mm0zct> or meld/drill the key out?
[18:15] <mm0zct> melt*
[18:15] <WASDx> I have not done anything to it
[18:15] <WASDx> I bought it for a euro 5 years ago because it looked cool
[18:15] <WASDx> never had any use for it until now
[18:15] <mm0zct> maybe it's only floppy ribbons that are keyed
[18:16] <WASDx> it's not an IDE cable yes
[18:16] <WASDx> but a floppy one
[18:16] <mm0zct> (one of the pin holes is filled solid, so you can't put it on wrong)
[18:16] <WASDx> no hole is filled here
[18:16] <mm0zct> obviously, or it wouldn't go on the pi :p
[18:16] <WASDx> only half of it :/
[18:17] <mm0zct> http://imgur.com/a/egXCT is what mine looks like
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[18:17] <mm0zct> much less elegant
[18:18] <WASDx> cool :D
[18:18] <WASDx> what is the thing to the right that looks like a motherboard?
[18:18] <mm0zct> it's a large FPGA devboard
[18:18] <mm0zct> Xilinx ML605
[18:21] <WASDx> I'm gonna try and get my 7segment display to work soon
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[18:21] <mm0zct> why do you have a heatsink on the Pi?
[18:22] <mm0zct> mine barely gets warm :/
[18:23] <WASDx> I had one at home
[18:23] <WASDx> might as well use it
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[18:34] <Sm0ke0ut> http://media.fayntic.com/pi/boxes.png that should hold me for a while =)
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[18:36] <friggle> Sm0ke0ut: when did you order those?
[18:36] <Sm0ke0ut> Farnell
[18:36] <Sm0ke0ut> http://media.fayntic.com/pi/box.png :)
[18:36] <friggle> Sm0ke0ut: *when*
[18:36] <Sm0ke0ut> 3 weeks ago
[18:37] <nid0> burning question is how
[18:37] <friggle> that's a pretty decent turnaround time
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[18:37] <Sm0ke0ut> company
[18:37] <Sm0ke0ut> as company you don't have a order limit
[18:38] <ReggieUK> that's odd
[18:38] <ReggieUK> as the fastest turnaround time is between 5-11 weeks as of last week
[18:38] <ReggieUK> no matter how many you managed to order
[18:38] <nid0> evidently farnell arent playing straight in business vs consumer order queues
[18:39] <lupinedk> Ordered the 25 of june, mine is shipped, getting it monday or tuesday from farnell
[18:39] <ReggieUK> clearly, as mine was ordered on a business account, so they're not even playing fair between their business customers
[18:39] <lupinedk> and that was a consumer order
[18:39] <Sm0ke0ut> it's also my second order... not sure if that matters
[18:40] <Sm0ke0ut> but that order took about 3 months
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[18:44] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I'm going to a RaspberryJam in Cornwall next month and was wondering if I could get a box of Pi's on sale or return from eben/liz...
[18:45] <aaa801> do we have any working lcds yet?
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> what type of LCDs?
[18:45] <aaa801> for the pi
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[18:45] <aaa801> on the bus i mean
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> ah, you mean proper display types.
[18:46] <aaa801> yus
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> not that I'm aware of.
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[18:46] <gordonDrogon> low priority I inagine too.
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[18:46] <ReggieUK> dsi displays?
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[18:46] <ReggieUK> only place they will come from is the foundation
[18:46] <aaa801> ye
[18:47] <aaa801> :(
[18:47] <ReggieUK> unless a bright spark works out how to RE the subsystem and possibly gpu blob first
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[19:10] <friggle> the raspithon guys have started: http://raspithon.org.uk/
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[19:20] <gordonDrogon> Hm. watching others write code .... er .... not that thrilling ;-)
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[19:30] <mythos> maybe a unicorn appears...
[19:31] <MaxLeMilian> friggle: What is it about?
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> http://raspithon.org.uk/about/
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> a few guys raising mony for the foundation.
[19:33] <MaxLeMilian> Thanks. Just saw it on the page. Seems interesting. :)
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[19:35] <pm0001> hei all
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[19:39] <TimRiker> omxplayer shows no output on a friends pi. thoughts as to why? audio works, but no video.
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[19:42] <TimRiker> ERROR: COMXCoreComponent::DecoderEventHandler OMX.broadcom.video_decode - OMX_ErrorInsufficientResources, insufficient resources
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[19:46] <ReggieUK> memory split maybe?
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[19:46] <TimRiker> trying that from here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=5543&p=121111 thx!
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[19:49] <akSeya> hi folks :)
[19:50] <akSeya> anyone with raspbian could suggest a good DLNA server?
[19:51] <akSeya> preferably a opensource one
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[19:52] <TimRiker> ReggieUK, that was the issue. thx!
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[19:58] <ReggieUK> you're welcome
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[20:00] <WASDx> yay, my 7-segment display is fully working :D
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[20:00] <ziltro> All 7 segments of it?
[20:00] <WASDx> yes
[20:01] <WASDx> and the small dot
[20:01] <ziltro> I was just thinking that. So they have 8 segments?
[20:01] <WASDx> gonna write a c-program now to make it count 0-9 now. So far I've only tested gordonDrogon's test.sh which doesn't lit them in order
[20:01] <WASDx> yes
[20:01] <WASDx> 10 pins, 8 inputs, 2 ground
[20:01] <WASDx> I only use one ground pin
[20:01] <Platz> just trying to understand a simple switch circuit, I now have to understand pull-up and pull-down resistors, floating voltages, etc..
[20:01] <ziltro> wHOEVER NAMED THAT NEEDS A SLAP.
[20:01] <ziltro> Oops. Wrong button there.
[20:01] <WASDx> heh
[20:02] <Platz> is there a good primer for that kind of stuff?
[20:02] <ziltro> Will you then make it count 0-F?
[20:02] <WASDx> I suppose
[20:02] <Matt> Platz: loads of them
[20:02] <WASDx> but B=8
[20:02] <WASDx> Or the dot can represent >10
[20:02] <Matt> I'm trying to think of one specifically
[20:02] <ziltro> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A b C d E F
[20:02] <Matt> WASDx: nah, you do 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A b C d E F
[20:02] <WASDx> right, small characters :)
[20:03] <WASDx> I will do that then
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, wrong oder?
[20:03] <aaa801> RAWR
[20:03] * aaa801 is getting better at not swearing in channel
[20:03] <aaa801> :3
[20:03] <Matt> gordonDrogon: are you suggesting his 7-segment display smells funny? :)
[20:04] <ziltro> |- on the display could be the letter Thorn.
[20:04] <Matt> or possibly that it composes odes
[20:04] * Matt is getting sidetracked :)
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[20:05] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: I just plugged the cables in without caring about order
[20:05] <WASDx> Your program correctly flashes gpio 0 to 7
[20:05] <WASDx> so I'll make an array in C for each number with the correct pins to lit
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> ok
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> :)
[20:06] <ziltro> So... are some of the GPIO pins usable as a UART?
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, 2 of them ARE a uart.
[20:06] <ziltro> That's good. :)
[20:06] <ziltro> In and out?
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[20:06] <ziltro> Can it do 250000 bps?
[20:06] <ziltro> Or, is it likely to be able to?
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> by default Linux console messages go out on them & you get a login prompt ...
[20:07] <ziltro> Oh, useful.
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, standard unix baud rates - hang on I'll check.
[20:07] <Bensa> anyone running sabnzbd on the pi?
[20:07] <ziltro> I think I mean 250000. DMX512 speed.
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> 230400 baud is the highest.
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[20:08] <ziltro> Ah, that's not quite fast enough. Hmm...
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> you may be able to poke the clock control registers to get higher/lower or other weird rates, but I've not looked.
[20:09] <ziltro> If it could do 250000bps it could make a nice lighting controller, with only some RS485 converter chips.
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[20:10] <Halts> ohi
[20:13] <ziltro> gordonDrogon: Is 230400 the maximum standard UNIX band rate, or maximum for the SoC?
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> it's a linux standard - that's the top as far as I know.
[20:15] <ziltro> Okay, thanks for looking. :)
[20:15] <ziltro> I'll have to play with that when I get a Pi.
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> Hm. actually, I'm just checking now...
[20:16] <dirty_d> if you set a pin to output you can still read the GPLEVL register to see the level right?
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> maybe I had an older template I was using as it seems to go up to B4000000
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, I think so.
[20:16] <ziltro> That's quite fast.
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> looking at /usr/include/bits/termios.h
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> so B2500000 is in there...
[20:18] <Halts> I cant decide what to do with my pi when i get it.
[20:18] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, have any idea if im doing something wrong? http://ideone.com/1WXAk
[20:18] <ziltro> That's good. :) I know the Arduino can do 250kbps
[20:19] <dirty_d> im outputing 0 to GPIO1 but when i read back from it, its 1
[20:19] <ziltro> Halts: Use it to calculate pi.
[20:19] <Halts> rofl.
[20:19] <Halts> yes!
[20:20] <ziltro> That should be like right after "Hello World" for RPi tutorials.
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[20:20] <affix> got my Pi :D
[20:21] <ziltro> Is the UART /dev/ttyS0 or similar? ie. easy to access in the standard way?
[20:21] <TimRiker> http://hdcam.web-pda.info/zoo%20-%2018512863.mp4 plays nearly flawlessly. starts jumping at the otters.
[20:21] <TimRiker> that's 1920x1080@60fps
[20:21] <TimRiker> fyi: it does NOT play on my pandaboard
[20:22] <ziltro> Is that because a pandaboard only plays black & white?
[20:22] <ziltro> And with that I shall run away...
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> /dev/ttyAMA0
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> it's a unix style uart - they all work more or less the same way.
[20:24] <Platz> gordonDrogon: where did you look to determine the max baud rate?
[20:24] <Platz> i.e. was it a document on the web
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> I looked in files in /usr/include
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> if you do something like:
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> cd /usr/include ; fgrep -r 9600 .
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> you'll find files that have '9600' in them and as that's a common baud-rate, then you'll likely find a file with them all in it.
[20:27] <Platz> according to this: http://fw.hardijzer.nl/?p=138
[20:28] <Platz> max is 187500baud, but seems it can go higher by compiling a new kernel
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> or poking the control registers...
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, looking now..
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[20:32] <dirty_d> oops, that was dumb, just locked up my rpi
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, the registers are 32-bits wide, so accessing them as 8-bit wide entities might not be the best thing..
[20:32] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, im accessing them as a uint32_t
[20:32] * gordonDrogon ponders
[20:33] <dirty_d> REG_DEREF
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> volatile uint8_t *gpio_base = NULL;
[20:33] <gordonDrogon>
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[20:33] <gordonDrogon> Ah, ok.
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[20:34] <dirty_d> i accidentally just set GPFSEL0 to 0xFFFFFFFF
[20:34] <dirty_d> locked it up, lol
[20:34] <dirty_d> and im at work and its home
[20:34] <dirty_d> hopefully its not exploding
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, don't you have to write a 1 to the set register to set the output, then write a 1 to the clear register to set it to 0?
[20:34] <Stoob> it's probably already burnt your house down
[20:34] <dirty_d> probably
[20:35] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, yes! damnit
[20:35] <dirty_d> not i cnat test it
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> and gpio 0 is the I2C SDA0 pin.
[20:35] <dirty_d> yea
[20:36] <dirty_d> but that function isnt selected
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> it has a 1K8 pull-up resistor - not that tiggling it high or low will hurt though.
[20:36] <dirty_d> so much for a watchdog timer
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> they're not perfect..
[20:37] <dirty_d> true
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> however the one on the SoC is hardware base AIUI...
[20:37] <dirty_d> wow, i forgot to eat lunch, its 14:35
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> 7:35pm here..
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> Hm. time for a mugga tea. I think.
[20:37] <dirty_d> i hate stupid mistakes
[20:38] <dirty_d> now i have to wait hours to see if that was the only problem
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[20:39] <WASDx> right, I don't know C programming
[20:40] <mythos> c is easy. go and try to learn it... should not take that long
[20:41] <WASDx> I am very experienced with java
[20:41] <WASDx> so I'm just gonna look at example code and google everything until my program is eventually done
[20:42] <mythos> hmm... what is the funny phrase i'm looking at? oh... : if you are old enough to drive a car, you are old enough to manage your memory ;)
[20:42] <Platz> why not just program the gpio in rupy/python/c# etc ...
[20:42] <WASDx> I'm going to study C at university anyways
[20:42] <WASDx> And it seems to fit for this small project
[20:42] <Platz> is there that much of a benefit that c gives; i heard the pi wasn't suitable for real-time signall processing anyways
[20:43] <Platz> < 100ms reaction time is said to be a limitation
[20:43] <Platz> for which a microcontroller would be better
[20:43] <Platz> so why not just program in a high-level language
[20:43] <muep> c is still very appropriate if you need to get the program small
[20:44] <mythos> realtime doesn't mean, it is fast... realtime means the executionbehaviour is deterministic
[20:44] <muep> but pi can handle fairly big programs
[20:44] <WASDx> C seems to fit for such a simple task as this
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[20:44] <Platz> i see..
[20:44] <scottman> hey using sqlite on a pi, is that dumb
[20:45] <Platz> i would think simple task -> as few lines of code as possible
[20:45] <mythos> scottman, depends ;)
[20:45] <scottman> ive written a emulator launcher and want to store pics and descriptions
[20:45] <scottman> but i might store in externally and use url requests instead
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[20:47] <muep> sqlite might be cumbersome for storing the image data
[20:47] <mythos> scottman, so... you answered your own question?
[20:47] <scottman> well no i had an alternative plan
[20:47] <scottman> i wanted other opinions
[20:47] <scottman> ;)
[20:48] <muep> but if your application benefits from a relational database, sqlite is likely a good choice
[20:48] <mythos> hmm... storing blobs in a rel db is never a really good idea
[20:48] <muep> at least for the metadata things
[20:48] <mythos> for metadata, go for it
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, so what are you aiming for with the gpio stuff?
[20:49] <scottman> i could do xml file that does like pic.jpeg and a description
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[20:50] <muep> the sqlite db is much more efficient to update than an xml file
[20:51] <Stoob> yeah, storing blobs in a relational DB tends to be obnoxious, but it's still less obnoxious than doing it in an xml file
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[20:51] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, just very simple userspace access with a kernel module for interrupts
[20:52] <scottman> i could store the pics in a folder then the db and just reference them
[20:52] <mythos> if he uses a internal datastructure and only serialize a dom-tree representation, it doesn't matter really
[20:52] <dirty_d> someone wanna try this code for me? http://ideone.com/mvadD
[20:52] <dirty_d> i just need to know what it prints next to "Pin's state:"
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[21:04] <passstab> anyone here whos tried http://jeremyblythe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/raspberry-pi-webcam.html
[21:04] <passstab> ?
[21:05] <passstab> i'm getting "codec for stream 0 does not use global headers but container format requires global headers"
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[21:08] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: Probably a noob mistake but gcc says "undefined reference to `wiringPiSetup'" even though the #include <wiringPi.h> succeeded
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, did you -lwiringPi ?
[21:08] <WASDx> no
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> that'll be it then..
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[21:09] <WASDx> nope
[21:09] <WASDx> gcc -lwiringPi test.c
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> and that still fails?
[21:09] <WASDx> same error yes
[21:09] <WASDx> and the include has succeeded
[21:09] <WASDx> if i misspell it then it fails there instead
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> gcc -o test test.c -L/usr/local/lib -lwiringPi
[21:09] <WASDx> that one worked
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> possibly your local gcc isn't including /usr/local/lib in its search paths.
[21:10] <WASDx> I don't understand why the include succeeded then
[21:10] <Platz> I think it would be cool if people used circuitlab.com or upverter.com to share their circuit designs
[21:11] <sph3nic> has anyone gotten despotify to work using the latest raspbian?
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, yea, you really ought to have -I/usr/local/include too ...
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> Platz, we need to make curcuit designs first...
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> although I think photos of breadboards go a long way..
[21:13] <Platz> gordonDrogon: well, this is true... more meant that instead of laboring to create them in private, create them socially
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[21:14] <Xeon06> Hey guys
[21:14] <Xeon06> Are there any good cases for sell in America yet?
[21:14] <Xeon06> I've seen the ModMyPi one, and that seems to be pretty popular, but I'd like to get mine faster than that
[21:15] <WASDx> Xeon06: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1310
[21:15] <WASDx> I'm using it
[21:16] <Platz> gordonDrogon: photos are nice too i'm sure
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[21:16] <Xeon06> WASDx: wow that's neat, thanks
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[21:41] <WASDx> :D my 7segment display can finally count to 9
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[21:41] <magnus_> are people mostly using the "official" rpi kernel (from github firmware/boot), or are they rolling their own? for example, is the raspbian dist using that kernel?
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[21:44] <Gadgetoid> magnus_: I like bootc's kernel
[21:44] <Gadgetoid> It's what I'd have if I could be bothered to compile my own
[21:45] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: I would like feedback for my nooby C program. https://pastee.org/7wbm6
[21:46] <WASDx> I also have a main file which calls 0 through 9 with a sleep in between
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[21:50] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, looking now...
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, I'm sure it works ok - but I'd probably put the wiringPiSetup call in the main() bit rather than set a flag, etc.
[21:52] <WASDx> maybe i should call pinMode(int,int) as well
[21:53] <WASDx> right now my main file doesn't even #include wiringPi
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[21:53] <gordonDrogon> well thats would be good too :)
[21:53] <WASDx> Did you have a blogpost on running it without root?
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> unless you call wiringPiSetupSys ();
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[21:55] <passstab> anyone here who did http://jeremyblythe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/raspberry-pi-webcam.html
[21:55] <passstab> ?
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[21:56] <SgrA> Does anyone use Xfce on RPi?
[21:56] <passstab> i do
[21:57] <SgrA> Cool, just needed to see if it works, thanks. :)
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[21:57] <passstab> a *box might make more sense tho
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[21:58] <passstab> as it's quite slow
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> I use xfce4
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, yes not sure I blogged. but
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> brb.
[21:59] <SgrA> Are you guys on Raspian or Arch?
[21:59] <nid0> < raspbian
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[22:00] <SgrA> Hmm, LXDE there?
[22:00] <Stoob> I tried arch, it was obnoxious, went to raspbian
[22:00] <nid0> it was till I removed it
[22:00] <Stoob> I think I'll try gentoo soon
[22:00] <Stoob> (though won't do compiling on the rpi itself)
[22:00] <SgrA> Obviously. :)
[22:00] <Leestons> I'm thinking of going to Arch, not too sure though
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[22:01] <Leestons> Tried setting it up on a VM and just got confused once I saw the command line.
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, right - you need to use the gpio program to export the pins, then use wiringPiSetupSys() in the program, then you can use digitalRead/giditalWrite as ordinary user.
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[22:04] <Halts> can quassel run well on the RPi?
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[22:04] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, see new page on wiringPi functions: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/functions/
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> raspbian + xfvce4 here. (Although the other Pi's run Debian squeeze and Wheezy)
[22:06] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: thanks
[22:06] <WASDx> You have been very helpful everytime I visit the channel :)
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[22:07] <Stoob> Halts: depends pretty heavily on how many channels you're in, I'd guess.
[22:08] <Halts> Still can't really decided if im making it a media server, or just a linux box
[22:08] <Stoob> I started installing it last night but didn't finish, so I can't say, but I know once you're in more than a few channels you can start losing lots of ram to quassel
[22:09] <Halts> quassel is pretty light weight though. :x
[22:09] <Stoob> also, do you have a separate quassel-core or are you putting it all on the pi?
[22:09] <Halts> don't have a seperate.
[22:09] <Stoob> Right now my client alone is taking 192MB on my desktop, though I think on arm it'd be a bit less (I'd hope)
[22:10] <Halts> maybe I'll use weechat instead then.
[22:10] <Stoob> (I'm in over 100 channels, though)
[22:10] <Halts> or just make it a media server. i don't know what I'm doing with it.
[22:10] <Stoob> basically: give it a shot, why not? :P
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[22:11] <Stoob> but I definitely would suggest using a separate core
[22:11] <Halts> ill probably buy another soley just to have a media server.
[22:11] <Halts> I've never done that before :S
[22:11] <Halts> so I'm unsure how to go about it.
[22:11] <Platz> not sure if arch uses hard float?
[22:11] <Stoob> ah, ic
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[22:15] <Halts> I doubt arch does.
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[22:21] <oldtopman> Halts: You want an rpi?
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[22:21] <Halts> Doesn't everyone?
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[22:31] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: Do I also need to give ordinary users write permission on the value-file in the gpio folders? I've exported everyone and use wiringPiSetupSys() but it doesn't work
[22:31] <WASDx> exported every gpio
[22:31] <WASDx> and translated to broadcom numbers
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, the gpio export command changed the ownership to that of the user exporting it.
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[22:32] <WASDx> i did it from my ordinary user with sudo
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, ok- you don't need to use sudo to run the gpio command.
[22:32] <WASDx> oh
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> that's the beauty of it :)
[22:32] <Netham45> How much tolerance does the RPi have for input voltages? Will I be able to use 3 AA's (6v) with it?
[22:32] <Hexxeh> Netham45: you can, but it's not good for ti
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[22:32] <Hexxeh> *it
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[22:32] <Hexxeh> it will shorten it's life
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> Netham45, I'd not risk it myself...
[22:33] <WASDx> gordonDrogon: I see. thanks
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, so you can make GPIO programs purely using shell scripts :)
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, in the wiringPi source code, look at the test.sh file in the gpio directory.
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[22:34] <ReggieUK> considering that input voltage is unregulated to the VUsb pin, it's probably not just the pi that might wine
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[22:34] <ReggieUK> whine*
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> the 3.3 and 2.8 would be fine - although the 3.3 regulator might run a tiny bit hotter.
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> Hm. actually, what is fed off the 5+v ...
[22:35] * gordonDrogon ponders
[22:36] <ReggieUK> VUSB pins on each port
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> there are 5v inputs to the videocore part of the SoC.
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> according to the c-diagram
[22:36] <Stoob> isnt there a 5v pin on the gpio header, too? Though I think if you're asking that question you'd know to thin about that one
[22:37] <ReggieUK> oooh I didn't know it was hooked up to the videocore
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[22:38] <gordonDrogon> first page of the circuit diagram - pins marked VBATT0-4...
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> Stoob, yes, 5V on the gPIO and to the USB ports.
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> 5V to the hdmi too.
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> non fused ...
[22:39] <ReggieUK> indeed
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[22:39] <Stoob> Oh yeah, I was going to ask, what are the potential ill effects from dropping the fuses on the usb VCCs
[22:40] <ReggieUK> no overcurrent protection
[22:40] <Stoob> Want to use a single usb port from my power supply to the raspi to my phone
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[22:40] <ReggieUK> not necessarily an ill effect
[22:40] <Stoob> Yeah I'm not tooo worried about that
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[22:52] <Netham45> What would be the best way to wire an actuator such as http://tinyurl.com/6omzfdv up to the RPi? I'll obviously need to relay it to make it switch on 12v, but would I need two relays to get the actuator to switch either way, or how would that work?
[22:53] <Netham45> Hell, I'm not even 100% sure how the actuator would take its inputs...
[22:54] <Stoob> Are there 12v relays that can be driven by Rpi's gpio pins?
[22:54] <Stoob> I thought those things'd only support a few mA
[22:54] <Netham45> No idea, I assumed so.
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[22:56] <ReggieUK> drive the relay with a transistor if you need more current
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[22:59] <Netham45> for an NPN transistor I'd wire base up to my 5v source, collector up to the GPIO pin, and emitter to the relay, right?
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[23:04] <gordonDrogon> you'll need 2 relays as I assume you drive it one way to lock, then the other way to unlock...
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> so 2 driver thingys from the Pi...
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> doesn't say how many amps it needs...
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> if relatively low, then you might not need a relay at all, but you still need a buffer of some sort, however look at some of the H-Bridge driver chips (or half bridge)
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> some of those can handle an amp or so directly.
[23:08] <Netham45> Can't find anything anywhere stating how many amps it pulls
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[23:10] <Netham45> gordonDrogon, is there an advantage to the h bridge, other than cost?
[23:10] <Netham45> (since I imagine they're cheaper than relays)
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[23:11] <gordonDrogon> less components -> less to go wrong...
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> more chance of blowing up the Pi if you get 12V near it though ;-)
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[23:12] <Netham45> Yea, that's why I chose the relays first, they're better at seperating the voltages.
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> friggle, you about? Just FYI - WiringPi is now LGPL :)
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> Netham45, well.... only to a point - let a wire fly loose and it's no differnet either way.
[23:13] <Netham45> Well, yea
[23:13] <Netham45> but a relay won't short the pins when it fries
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> I've never knows a bit of silicon to either, but who knows.
[23:14] <Netham45> I've gotta go pick up a breadboard and stuff, bbl.
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> enjoy!
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[23:18] <sykes> anyone ported ezQuake yet?!!? :D
[23:19] <SgrA> If I connect a 5V charger across TP1 and TP2 (its a Nokia, round-pin, 1 A), can it power the device?
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[23:24] <WASDx> How would I go about controlling a 7segment display with only 4 pins? (2^4=16, A-F). I suppose there is some chip to buy that would correctly translate 4 input signals to 7 outputs
[23:25] <oldtopman> WASDx: Multiplexing?
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[23:25] <WASDx> maybe that's what it's called
[23:26] <Platz> is that is I2C does (multiplexing)?
[23:26] <WASDx> (I also meant 0-F, not A-F as i wrote)
[23:26] <Platz> since it's a 'bus'
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[23:31] <prpplague> WASDx: just one 7 segment display?
[23:31] <ReggieUK> you would need more than 4 pins to multiplex a 7 seg afaik
[23:31] <prpplague> WASDx: or multiple ones?
[23:32] <ReggieUK> in fact, it's 7 and a dot isn't it?
[23:32] <ReggieUK> so you would need 6pins
[23:32] <ReggieUK> 2x4
[23:32] <prpplague> hehe
[23:33] <prpplague> WASDx: you can use a 595 shift register for one display, or cascade multiple 595's , one for each display unit
[23:33] <NucWin> does the emergency arch kernel have sshd turned on and a password set so can do everything remote?
[23:33] <ReggieUK> ha, I forgot the number of the shift reg
[23:33] <prpplague> WASDx: http://www.sqlskills.com/blogs/paulselec/post/Arduino-cascading-shift-registers-to-drive-7-segment-displays.aspx
[23:35] <WASDx> Thanks
[23:35] <WASDx> I really don't know anything about that stuff
[23:35] <WASDx> and yes, there is a dot also on the 7segments
[23:36] <prpplague> WASDx: http://www.elinux.org/BeaconBoard
[23:36] <prpplague> WASDx: schematic is available as an example as well as some linux driver/script examples
[23:36] <WASDx> never even heard about these shift registers
[23:37] <prpplague> WASDx: it was done for the beagle/panda but the code examples are exactly the same for any linux platform
[23:37] <prpplague> WASDx: hehe
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[23:47] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, a 7-seg display really needs 8 pins unless you use support chips like a shift-register.
[23:48] <WASDx> yeah that was my idea
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, https://projects.drogon.net/7-segment-led-display-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[23:48] <WASDx> 4 pins has 2^4=16 different values, 0-F (ignoring the dot)
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> for a pure software approach.
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> you'd then need a decoder chip of some sort.
[23:50] <prpplague> WASDx: 595 is extremely easy to use and really only needs 3 gpios
[23:50] <WASDx> In theory one is enough i suppose. The serial way
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[23:50] <WASDx> I'll look it up
[23:51] <prpplague> WASDx: what is it your are trying to accomplish?
[23:51] <ReggieUK> I think 164's will do it too
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[23:51] <ReggieUK> sounds like he's trying to drive a 7 seg with the least amount of pins
[23:53] <prpplague> ReggieUK: but there are probably some other requirements, such as cost, availability, skill of implementation
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[23:54] <ReggieUK> but given the number of pins to use was 4, it seems that there is an upper limit to the number of pins he wants to use :)
[23:54] <ReggieUK> gpio pins that is
[23:55] <prpplague> well with 595 , you only need 3 gpios
[23:55] <ReggieUK> indeed but he originally wanted to do multiplexing
[23:55] <prpplague> and technically you could do it with one gpio with the correct hardware
[23:55] <ReggieUK> which would require 6pins
[23:55] <ReggieUK> of course, not disagreeing with you at all :)
[23:55] <WASDx> I'm just curious as of now. I figured not one per segment was needed
[23:56] <prpplague> ReggieUK: naw, if you use 595, you can daisy chain them with the same 3 pins
[23:56] <WASDx> and multiplexing or shift registers was the name for it
[23:56] <prpplague> ReggieUK: http://www.sqlskills.com/blogs/paulselec/content/binary/ShiftRegisters/7SegShiftRegisters2.jpg
[23:56] <prpplague> ReggieUK: and example
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> I did it with 8 +1 GPIOs per digit...
[23:56] <ReggieUK> well, you can multiplex with shift registers but as you only want to switch 8 'things' you only need one register and don't need to multiplex :)
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> so 12 GPIOs for 4 digits...
[23:57] <ReggieUK> I feel like I'm getting unecessarily schooled on how shift registers and multiplexing work :D
[23:57] <prpplague> ReggieUK: hehe

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