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IRC Log for 2012-07-21

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[0:00] <WASDx> I just made a video of my 7segment display http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHxLRchpOec
[0:00] <prpplague> WASDx: dandy
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, b00b1e5
[0:01] <WASDx> haha
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwinMYsryGg
[0:03] <WASDx> :D
[0:05] <friggle> gordonDrogon: I saw your tweet, awesome news :)
[0:06] <gordonDrogon> friggle, cheers.
[0:06] <gordonDrogon> and on that note, I'm off to bed..
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[0:29] <RoestVrijStaal> is there another way to buy the raspberry pi? Farnell and RS components suck
[0:31] <RaYmAn> ebay? ;)
[0:31] <RaYmAn> (I'd stick with RS and farnell though)
[0:31] <RoestVrijStaal> Farnell doesn't have paypal
[0:32] <RoestVrijStaal> and RS only delivers to companies, but they mention that AFTER i registered
[0:32] <Dagger2> RS are delivering the RPi to private individuals
[0:32] <RoestVrijStaal> nope i've o fill in a company name and stuff
[0:32] <Dagger2> I can't fully remember the checkout process, but I don't think it involves creating an account at all
[0:32] <RoestVrijStaal> * o = in
[0:33] <RoestVrijStaal> weird
[0:33] <Dagger2> I guess you're making an RS account on their main website, rather than buying from the link they email you when you make it through the queue
[0:33] <deebo> i got one from rs and farnell, both sell directoly to consumers
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[0:34] <RoestVrijStaal> hmmm
[0:34] <RoestVrijStaal> i think it differs from country to country then
[0:36] <Leestons> When I ordered my Pi I didn't have to make an account with Farnell
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[0:41] <RoestVrijStaal> ...
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[0:41] <RoestVrijStaal> now i got it
[0:41] <Skeeter-> Hello, What is the difference between the 3 start.elf?
[0:43] <plugwash> the memory split
[0:44] <Skeeter-> how do i know wat works best for me
[0:44] <Skeeter-> so far only 192 works
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[0:44] <plugwash> hmm, they should all work.....
[0:44] <Skeeter-> the one shipped with the wheezy
[0:44] <Skeeter-> i get 6 OK led blinks
[0:45] <RoestVrijStaal> there seems to be a difference between rs-components.com and rsdelivers.com
[0:45] <RoestVrijStaal> despite its the same company
[0:45] <Skeeter-> i got mine from newark
[0:45] <Skeeter-> well this one
[0:46] <Skeeter-> i panic during the preorder,i got 1 from like 4-5 websites
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[0:48] <Skeeter-> RoestVrijStaal: what are they going to do with that?
[0:48] <Skeeter-> is mine faulty?
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[0:49] <RoestVrijStaal> sorry but i'm just a novice here
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[0:51] <RoestVrijStaal> so i can't help you
[0:52] <ReggieUK> Skeeter-, http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern
[0:52] <Skeeter-> ReggieUK: i saw that Millions of time, the stock start.elf NEVER works I ALWAYS need the arm192
[0:53] <ReggieUK> there is no real reason that statement should be true :)
[0:53] <ReggieUK> unless you break the original start.elf
[0:53] <Skeeter-> well it is
[0:53] <Skeeter-> i tried raspmc
[0:53] <Skeeter-> and the prvious debian
[0:53] <Skeeter-> same deal
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[0:54] <ReggieUK> all 3 memory splits will get you to the console and then to x
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[0:55] <Skeeter-> false
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[0:55] <Skeeter-> the stock start.elf is which one?
[0:57] <ReggieUK> 224
[0:59] <Skeeter-> anyway, i got mine from newark
[0:59] <Skeeter-> someone said the HW is diff. between shops so w/e
[0:59] <ReggieUK> ?
[0:59] <ReggieUK> which hardware did they say was different?
[1:00] <Skeeter-> [18:43] <+RoestVrijStaal> there seems to be a difference between rs-components.com and rsdelivers.com
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[1:02] <RoestVrijStaal> no i don't mean the hardware
[1:02] <RoestVrijStaal> but the customer focus
[1:03] <Leestons> only a couple of hours till I get my power supply...yay
[1:03] <ReggieUK> have you only tried rasbmc or have you tried other distros?
[1:03] <Leestons> I'm treating it as a birthday present, although I paid for it myself :P
[1:04] <plugwash> ReggieUK, there are definately at least two different ram chip vendors, at least two different ethernet jack vendors, at least two different packages for the USB/LAN chip
[1:04] <Skeeter-> ReggieUK: i tried, raspmc(wont boot after install), raspebian(boot if arm192) older debian realse from raspberrypi.org(arm192)
[1:04] <plugwash> and almost certainly various other minor differences that shouldn't matter but in a corner case might
[1:06] <Skeeter-> files list for package 'python3-tk' is not a regular file
[1:06] <Skeeter-> i cant eve apt-get install sth
[1:07] <Skeeter-> lol
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[1:08] <ReggieUK> plugwash, thanks for the head-up, I wasn't aware on the 2 ram chip vendors, but really, who are the ethernet vendors?
[1:08] <plugwash> seems its one vendor just two different chip packages
[1:08] <plugwash> from the pics i've seen
[1:08] <ReggieUK> not disputing it, genuinely interested
[1:08] <ReggieUK> ahh
[1:08] <ReggieUK> that would make sense :D
[1:08] <ReggieUK> more than there being 2 different vendors
[1:09] <ReggieUK> and chip
[1:09] <plugwash> Personally I suspect the broadcom chip and the ethernet chip are the only single source parts on the Pi
[1:09] <plugwash> and everything else is highly substitutable and almost certainly getting substituted
[1:09] <ReggieUK> that would agree with what I've observed so far looking at the source code
[1:10] <ReggieUK> I didn't figure on there being 2 ram vendors but it's not beyond the realms of possibility and agreed on everything else, it's random stock parts that shouldn't matter (too much)
[1:11] <ReggieUK> not sure it explains the issue though :)
[1:11] <Skeeter-> debconf:warning:possible database corruption?
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[1:11] <ReggieUK> that would though possibly
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[1:13] <ReggieUK> possible corruption on the card
[1:14] <Skeeter-> how to fix?
[1:14] <phellarv> fsck?
[1:14] <ReggieUK> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/10/msg04581.html
[1:14] <ReggieUK> but you really should check the rest of the card if that got clobbered, who knows what else is damaged on there
[1:14] <Skeeter-> i have not done a fsck in a long time
[1:15] <Skeeter-> cant do it on a mounted system right?
[1:15] <ReggieUK> nope
[1:15] <Skeeter-> damnit
[1:15] <aaa801> not unless u want to wreck the partition
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[1:17] <phellarv> Should have used zfs...
[1:17] <phellarv> ;-P
[1:18] <phellarv> You could do a http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-force-fsck-on-the-next-reboot-or-boot-sequence/
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[1:19] <phellarv> Easy way out, if you don't have a linux machine available.
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[1:20] <phellarv> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk could be handy.
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[2:20] <hetii> Hi :>
[2:20] <ReggieUK> hi
[2:21] <hetii> I do some additional speed test of my pi board with sdcard and usb devices.
[2:22] <hetii> the SD read is around 19MB/s, USB with ipad and some pendrive show around 10MB/s
[2:23] <hetii> So it make no much sense to move root into usb.
[2:23] <hetii> But i i belive that should be possible increase speed of SD interface.
[2:23] <plugwash> The real problem with SD cards is the random write speed
[2:23] <plugwash> most of them SUCK at it
[2:23] <hetii> The question is what need to be change on software and hardware to do it :)
[2:24] <ReggieUK> and the other issue is whether or not your usb stuff is naturally faster than your sd card or not
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[2:25] <hetii> as far as i see on my shitty laptop i have similar values when we talk about ipad
[2:25] <hetii> so with that i cannot do more.
[2:25] <IT_Sean> Language
[2:25] <ReggieUK> already being dealt with :)
[2:26] <maalox> Anyone here familiar with the RPi.GPIO python module? I'm wondering how one might set a function to fire when a pin changes value.
[2:26] <hetii> need do some test with external drive, maybe then the performance will be better.
[2:27] <IT_Sean> BRB
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[2:27] <maalox> Ah, I think I answered my own question with python event handlers: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6190468/how-to-trigger-function-on-value-change
[2:27] <ReggieUK> yeah, a usb stick may or may not be any faster than an SD card
[2:27] <ReggieUK> it looks like yours isn't :)
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[2:28] <plugwash> Though as I said what really matters for a linux root filesystem is not sequential performance it's random performance
[2:29] <plugwash> which is far more a characterstic of the device and less of the interface
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[2:31] <hetii> yes, that true,
[2:33] <hetii> but will be really nice if i will know how much i can get from this interface and then focus on device :>
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[3:26] <Netham45> Do any of the Raspberry Pi builds have bluetooth support?
[3:26] <Netham45> for USB bluetooth adaptors, obviously.
[3:30] <Netham45> Also, can I give the RPI power through P1-02, or is that only for getting power from it?
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[3:47] <ReggieUK> raspbian has some bluetooth stuff built in
[3:49] <ReggieUK> and p1-02 can be used to power the pi, make sure it's 5v, gnd is p1-06
[3:56] <`z> ReggieUK, also
[3:56] <`z> can the RPi be powered through its USB ports?
[3:56] <`z> the other day i had a faulty usb hub that supplied power to it
[3:57] <`z> to the host
[3:57] <ReggieUK> there is no protection stopping power going back down the vusb pins afaik
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[3:58] <ReggieUK> so in theory it's possible, someone has said they managed to do it but it shouldn't and if you do the 140ma polyfuses will most likely make it unstable *if* it works at all
[3:58] <`z> ReggieUK, i'm not sure if it worked, i didn't have a display then
[3:58] <`z> but i just saw the power led continue being lighted up
[3:58] <`z> and unplugged in case it fucks up
[3:59] <`z> aw damn
[3:59] <`z> forgot about that rule again
[3:59] <`z> T_T
[3:59] <Netham45> what rule?
[4:00] <ReggieUK> no foul language :)
[4:00] <Netham45> ah
[4:00] <`z> <+`z> and unplugged in case it _____ up
[4:00] <`z> ..yeah
[4:00] <`z> ReggieUK, some person had that problem too
[4:00] <`z> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=10222
[4:01] <ReggieUK> it's a no-brand usb hub, that's probably why
[4:01] <plugwash> just solder a wire across the polyfuse
[4:02] <plugwash> and then you will be able to backfeed just fine
[4:02] <`z> maybe i could direct the power from the hub to the host to the microusb cable
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[4:02] <Netham45> microusb from host to RPi, give power to GPIO pins, disconnect GPIO pins, infinite power!
[4:05] <`z> xD
[4:05] <`z> but then the heat
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[4:18] <Netham45> Is there any circuitry or jumped lines on a plain 'ol IDE cable?
[4:19] <Netham45> Trying to use one on the GPIO pins, it fits over it nicely.
[4:19] <Netham45> Refuses to boot with it connected
[4:21] <plugwash> is this a 40 wire cable or an 80 wire cable?
[4:21] <plugwash> IIRC there is some interconnection on the 80 wire cables
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[4:24] <TheBestJohn> ahoy
[4:24] <Netham45> It's an 80 pin
[4:25] <Netham45> and only using one side of it seems to work
[4:25] <Netham45> and gives me all the pins I need
[4:25] <TheBestJohn> anyone know anything about getting wxpython running on the pi? trying to get doomsday engine running and it's gui needs wxpython
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[4:28] <ziltro> 40 pin, 80 wire.
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[4:29] <ziltro> 80 wire PATA cables might have one side of the connector all shorted together as ground.
[4:29] <techsurvivor> i think some of the wires are, but the pins should still be the same I believe
[4:30] <techsurvivor> the grounds run in between to cutdown on crosstalk
[4:30] <techsurvivor> TheBestJohn: you might try installing the python-wxgtk2.8 package
[4:31] <techsurvivor> and maybe python-wxtools
[4:31] <ziltro> Way too much information for me to read again. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA
[4:31] <ziltro> Floppy cables should be okey, if you use the bit before the twist.
[4:31] <techsurvivor> why not pull out your DMM and just test some pins :)
[4:31] <TheBestJohn> Alrighty techsurvivor thanks for the suggestion
[4:31] <techsurvivor> it should lead out 1 to 1 i believe, i don't think the extra 40 wires are for anything but grounding
[4:31] <ziltro> I'm about to go to bed. Someone else can do that.
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[4:34] <Netham45> ziltro, I don't have any floppy cables
[4:35] <Netham45> but just one end of the IDE cable is working
[4:35] <Netham45> I'll see about picking up a floppy cable tomorrow
[4:35] <Netham45> wired some relays up, all seems to be working great. :D
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[4:36] <Netham45> while X=X; do gpio -g mode 23 up; gpio -g mode 24 up; gpio -g mode 23 down; gpio -g mode 24 down; done
[4:36] <Netham45> wee
[4:37] <Husky> d
[4:39] <Netham45> Someone said Rasbian had some BT stuff in it, anyone know what it's called?
[4:39] <TheBestJohn> that worked tyvm
[4:41] <techsurvivor> good to know TheBestJohn, i've used wxwidgets for embedded before it's fairly lightweight :)
[4:41] <techsurvivor> should work well on the pi :)
[4:42] <TheBestJohn> it seems smooth right now no glitches that I can see :)
[4:43] <prpplague> Netham45: certain pins of a 80wire pata cable are grounded, they are not a one to one cable
[4:43] <Netham45> Kk.
[4:43] <Netham45> Is a 40 wire one straight through?
[4:44] <prpplague> Netham45: yes most are
[4:45] <Netham45> I might just pop the back off of one of the connectors on this 80 pin and solder to the lines I need too
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[4:47] <prpplague> Netham45: not a good use of your time
[4:47] <prpplague> Netham45: just get a good cable
[4:48] <Netham45> It'd take me 5 minutes to solder the lines I need to it, I only need two GPIO and ground.
[4:48] <TheBestJohn> one more question before I go... when you use apt-get to install a package... where does it go?
[4:49] <Netham45> The package specifies where it goes
[4:49] <TheBestJohn> alrighty
[4:49] <Dagger2> well, the .deb is stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[4:49] <Netham45> The actual package file is in /var/cache/apt, but it's extracted out to the system
[4:49] <TheBestJohn> is there a command I can execute to find out where it installed?
[4:49] <Dagger2> you can get a list of the installed files with `dpkg -L packagename`
[4:49] <Netham45> You can find a command with 'whereis <command>'
[4:50] <TheBestJohn> thank you :)
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[5:00] <ziltro> A 40-wire cable might have the cable-select cable disconnected or grounded part way though, but those cables are rare.
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[5:11] <ReggieUK> netham, afaik you should just be able to plug the bluetooth dongle in and boot the pi and see info you get from the console as it's booting
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[5:11] <ReggieUK> as long as you don't get errors you should be ok to use one of the many tutorials on teh web to get it configured :)
[5:12] <Netham45> Kk
[5:12] <Netham45> I thought someone said there were tools included for it
[5:12] <ReggieUK> there are :)
[5:13] <ReggieUK> hci stuff I think is installed
[5:13] <ReggieUK> hciattach hciconfig hciemu hcitool hcitrace
[5:13] <Netham45> Not seeing any of those
[5:14] <ReggieUK> afaik 'bluez' is installed as default and those tools come with it, although I could be wrong
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[5:18] <Netham45> I seem to have kernel support out of the box but no usermode tools
[5:18] <Netham45> easy fix.
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[5:21] <Netham45> wee, my bluetooth adaptor is blinking.
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[5:23] <ReggieUK> :)
[5:23] <ReggieUK> I'm off ot bed
[5:23] <ReggieUK> g'night
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[5:29] <longbyte1> I am bad at idling
[5:29] <longbyte1> From my phone
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[5:30] <longbyte1> Hello?
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[5:31] <longbyte1> What have you been doing with your rpi?
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[5:33] <longbyte1> It is on
[5:33] <longbyte1> The silent game :D
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[5:36] <longbyte1> Okay, maybe it isn't *yawn*
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[5:39] <longbyte1> What's the formula for a perfect rescue disk?
[5:39] <longbyte1> I'll pitch in busybox.
[5:43] <longbyte1> Hehe, no loitering.
[5:43] <longbyte1> Snore.
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[5:45] <longbyte1> This is a boring irc experience.
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[5:48] <longbyte1> ._.
[5:48] <Netham45> IRC, exciting.
[5:49] <DaQatz> It is a non-stop visual candy land!
[5:49] <longbyte1> I know, right?
[5:49] <longbyte1> Yeah
[5:49] <Netham45> An exciting game of me trying to get my RPi to see my phone
[5:49] <Netham45> "Only visible to paired devices" Nope, paired and it still won't show.
[5:49] <DaQatz> Mind you, I'm on 9 networks and over 70 channels.
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[5:50] <Netham45> Don't IRC whore too bad, you'll catch DCC siphillis.
[5:51] <DaQatz> Would have to use DCC more then I do.
[5:51] <longbyte1> It's like trying to upgrade an apollo spacecraft DURING a lunar mission
[5:51] <longbyte1> That's linux
[5:51] <DaQatz> I'm using gentoo on my desktop.
[5:52] <Netham45> masochist.
[5:52] <DaQatz> No I like just like my system running clean and fast.
[5:54] <longbyte1> Gentoo is a weird name.
[5:54] <DaQatz> It's a penguin.
[5:54] <longbyte1> Weird names give me a weird experience.
[5:56] <longbyte1> Okay so if you designed a rescue disk, what would you put in it?
[5:56] <DaQatz> Gentoo used to give more benefit on x86 then it does now. The x86_64 are pretty well utilized, even in binary dists.
[5:56] <longbyte1> Busybox
[5:56] <DaQatz> Not so much on 32bit x86 systems.
[5:57] <DaQatz> Yeah busybox, maybe memtest86+
[5:57] <longbyte1> Gparted, sshd, maybe reduced x desktop
[5:59] <longbyte1> Rescue disks are the art of shoving Linux essentials in an extremely small distro.
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[6:04] <longbyte1> You know what, there should be a distro aiming at being the biggest.
[6:04] <longbyte1> No compression.
[6:05] <longbyte1> Install all packages.
[6:05] <longbyte1> Including docs
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[6:09] <longbyte1|> What just happened
[6:09] <longbyte1|> Ohh
[6:10] <longbyte1|> Well I'm leaving anyways
[6:10] <longbyte1|> Good night
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[6:23] <Niff> So question for you fine folks: I finally got my pi in, but my planned charger is not with me due to logistic reasons. However I do have a touchpad charger rated at 5.2V @2A, I know the pi is rated at 5 volts, but I figured I might as well ask if a slightly higher voltage would be allowed (this post mentioned some amount of success: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=11529&p=126831&hilit=charger#p126831)
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[6:26] <pypi> Does the wiki have documentation on the APIs available on the rpi, including the broadcom apis?
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[6:34] <techsurvivor> what do you mean by api?
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[6:35] <techsurvivor> if you mean the spec manual for the peripherals look here http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
[6:35] <techsurvivor> there is a page on gpio here http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
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[6:36] <pypi> In /opt/vc/include and /opt/vc/lib there's an api
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[6:37] <pypi> Well, several apis, but only one broadcom api...everything else is Khronos apis
[6:37] <techsurvivor> there is one programming c api that I know called wiringpi
[6:37] <techsurvivor> for gpio i believe
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[6:39] <pypi> techsurvivor, this all seems to be a cec api from broadcom
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[6:40] <pypi> I guess you don't know anything about it, so don't worry about it
[6:40] <pypi> I'll just have to tinker around with it to figure it out then
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[6:42] <Niff> hp charger is 5.3, not 5.2, my bad
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[7:06] <Netham45> http://pastebin.com/Tx1TjkTu
[7:07] <Netham45> Anyone know why I'm getting that while querying BT statuses every so often (once every 3 seconds)
[7:07] <Netham45> I have to unplug and replug my BT adaptor to reset it
[7:10] <steve_rox> i feel i shall find the annoyance of getting bluetooth to work on the pi someday
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[7:16] <Netham45> steve_rox, plug it in, apt-get install bluez
[7:16] <Netham45> that's all I did
[7:19] <steve_rox> i dont know much about linux
[7:19] <steve_rox> id wanna use it on xmbc etc
[7:19] <Netham45> I'm not sure what all the XBMC distro has in it
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[7:20] <Netham45> It may still be as simple as that.
[7:20] <steve_rox> but i dont really know enough about linux to toy with it
[7:20] <steve_rox> windows has been sugar coating it for me all these years
[7:20] <Netham45> No better time to learn.
[7:21] <steve_rox> well the only cmd i know so far is sudo
[7:21] <steve_rox> hahahah
[7:21] <Netham45> heh
[7:21] <steve_rox> :-)
[7:21] <Arch-MBP> lol
[7:21] <techsurvivor> watch out for sudo rm -rf
[7:22] <Netham45> sudo rm -rf --ignore-root
[7:22] <Netham45> sudo rm / -rf --ignore-root
[7:22] <steve_rox> hmm?
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[7:22] <Netham45> Don't do that
[7:22] <techsurvivor> just don't do that
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[7:23] <Netham45> that'd essentially go through and delete everything off your pi
[7:23] <steve_rox> some cmd to make it ignore the file system root?
[7:23] <techsurvivor> removing your root directory and everything below it is a bad idea
[7:23] <steve_rox> oh
[7:23] <Netham45> rm has a check for removing the / folder
[7:23] <Netham45> and that paramater overrides the check
[7:23] <steve_rox> i shall rember not to rember that cmd to type it in :-P
[7:23] <Netham45> lol
[7:24] <Netham45> I'd be very cautious with the 'dd' command too
[7:24] <Netham45> it has real uses, but it also has the potiental to erase everything
[7:24] <steve_rox> linux has too much type witer in it
[7:24] <techsurvivor> nice thing about the pi is it's easy to restore :)
[7:24] <Netham45> ^^
[7:25] <Netham45> I wiped mine accidentally earlier
[7:25] <Arch-MBP> lol doh
[7:25] <techsurvivor> you can delete everything from inside a file manager too :)
[7:25] <Netham45> I plugged in another SD card to my desktop and forgot I had my main system card on
[7:25] <Netham45> and copied a new copy of rasbian to the wrong drive
[7:26] <steve_rox> if i wanted to update the pi os would i run a cmd inside the os to make it update or download a entire image?
[7:26] <techsurvivor> moral of the story: don't type random stuff off the internet into your terminal or copy paste
[7:26] <Netham45> An entire image would wipe user data
[7:27] <steve_rox> that was my consern
[7:27] <techsurvivor> won't rpi-update keep you up to date?
[7:27] <steve_rox> no idea
[7:27] <Netham45> Not sure, but apt-get should.
[7:27] <techsurvivor> you have to install it, google it
[7:27] <steve_rox> does it have some updater?
[7:27] <techsurvivor> it won't update your firmware stuff though in the boot folder
[7:27] <Arch-MBP> rpi-update updates the kernel and firmware only
[7:27] <techsurvivor> ah, okay, I thought it might pull the repo stuff too
[7:27] <Arch-MBP> apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade keeps you up to date
[7:28] <techsurvivor> i only used it once
[7:28] <Netham45> speaking of which, if I were to make a fresh ubuntu image for my RPI, what would have to be done to retain gpio access?
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[7:28] <Arch-MBP> as fas as i know there is no such thing as an ubuntu image or ubuntu running on the rpi
[7:28] <Arch-MBP> plus ubuntu is debian based anyways
[7:29] <Netham45> It'd be able to run ubuntu.
[7:29] <Netham45> ubuntu runs quite nicely on ARM.
[7:29] <Arch-MBP> well then you would be the first
[7:29] <Arch-MBP> as yet no one has released an ubuntu image
[7:29] <Netham45> well, I'ma go play with that.
[7:31] <Arch-MBP> Netham45: the mk802 is the only know i know of that runs ubuntu on arm but that???s arm11...or something higher than what the rpi runs
[7:31] <steve_rox> managed to order a small lcd off ebay for the pi for ?15
[7:31] <Netham45> I had ubuntu running on my last phone natively
[7:31] <Netham45> and it had an Armv6
[7:31] <steve_rox> probly too small for anything other than vids
[7:31] <Netham45> I have Bodhi on my tablet too (offshoot of ubuntu/debian)
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[7:53] <Netham45> Bah, when'd ubuntu drop armv6 support
[7:53] <Netham45> >.>
[7:59] <`z> armv5
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[9:09] <squiggles> anyone know if rpi has the juice to run two 1600x1200 monitors?
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[9:17] <Dyskette> squiggles, pretty sure it's the HDMI or the composite out, not both, so there's no way to drive two displays at all... How were you envisaging doing it?
[9:21] <steve_rox> i wondered if it could duel display , seems in my tests it cant
[9:23] <squiggles> hdmi splitter
[9:25] <{Placebo}> hope someone can help me with this one: i just received my pi and d/l the raspbian image. so far so good. my first intention is to install a vnc server on it. i do have legal license for realvnc. but i??m still scratching my head if i have to go for the 32 of 64bit version. anyone able to enlighten me on that one please? :)
[9:25] <reider59> Is it a 32 bit or 64 bit puter
[9:26] <reider59> 64 will do 32 anyway so try that
[9:27] <{Placebo}> reider59: well, it??s the pi, ...but (and i might be blind) also the wiki does not tell me if it??s a 64bit cpu and/or if raspbian is a 32 or 64bit os :)
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[9:29] <Dyskette> {Placebo}, there's such a thing?
[9:30] <Dyskette> The only things I've seen like that have been A/B boxes, effectively.
[9:30] <Dyskette> {Placebo}, sorry, wrong person :P The Pi is 32bit.
[9:30] <Dyskette> squiggles, there's such a thing?
[9:31] <reider59> The VNC in Raspbian (which is Linux) isn`t a windows version. so the 32 or 64 doesn`t come into it. Installing Raspbian from a fresh image I didn`t have to install VNC at all on the Raspbian end. I just used Xming in windows and it called the VNC Server in Raspbian. alternatively I can start a VNC Server in Raspbian without downloading/installing it first. all you should need is your Windows version of VNC
[9:33] <reider59> Start the VNC Server in Putty (SSH) first unless you have it on auto start then open your Windows version and log in. Here`s a link to clarify it; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5QCoh8S0N4&feature=relmfu
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[9:35] <reider59> If you use the Xming setup their`s no need to use putty to start the VNC Server on the Pi first, XMing starts the session on the Pi on demand. But you have to fath about if you want Root access at any point.
[9:35] <reider59> Xming version is here; http://www.thepiuser.co.uk/2012/06/remotely-access-your-raspberry-pi-from-windows/
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[9:38] <{Placebo}> cheers, i??ll give that a try
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[9:41] <reider59> I find the Xming version best, it`s full screen and via SSH but semi automatic as long as you remember to start Xming first. The only trouble being when you need Root access, most of which I can do in a Terminal Window thankfully. But you can still use the regular VNC access, by starting it from SSH first.
[9:43] <reider59> Open Xming, Open SSH, start connection to Pi, log in, type startLXDE and that`s it, full screen access on your Windows PC.
[9:44] <reider59> *oops type startlxde
[9:44] <reider59> That`s after you configure SSH the first time, then it`s just a case of opening it from there on in.
[9:46] <reider59> The normal VNC way is open SSH, connect to Pi, log in, type vnc server then open VNC and log in. That`s it. again you need to configure it all the first time.
[9:47] <Dyskette> Or do that on the Pi itself, without the aid of SSH.
[9:47] <Dyskette> It's not essential that the setup also happen remotely.
[9:47] <reider59> You can do that too, many many options
[9:47] <reider59> Xming sets the session up for me
[9:48] <Dyskette> It's not like you need to have sshd running to use VNC, in fact.
[9:48] <reider59> unless you`re using vnc over ssh
[9:48] <reider59> again but one option
[9:50] <Dyskette> Uh...
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[9:52] <Dyskette> That's just using VNC locally.
[9:52] <Dyskette> (Where your local access happens to be over SH)
[9:52] <Dyskette> *SSH
[9:52] <reider59> I have some 26 pin connectors coming today. hope to God I can get them on the cable. tried pressing them before with the vice and with pliars but they break. Might have to do it gordons way and try with an hammer
[9:53] <reider59> good job they`re only a few pence
[9:54] <Dyskette> You'd be better off with a mallet than a hammer...
[9:54] <reider59> I have a mallet too
[9:54] <reider59> but the vice has rubber inserts and that didn`t work either
[9:54] <Dyskette> Hammer would be pretty likely to not be too friendly with the plastic.
[9:55] <Dyskette> Oh sure, you can break things with rubber too, but it's a little harder than with metal ;)
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> 'morning.
[9:55] <reider59> I think Gordon will have used some kind of buffer between the hammer and the connector, need to ask him
[9:55] <Dyskette> Morning.
[9:56] <reider59> Gordon. when you used to use an hammer to put on pin connectors what did you put between the connector and the hammer?
[9:56] <reider59> morning too
[9:56] <reider59> I tried the vice and the pliars but the connector breaks no matter how slow you go
[9:56] <reider59> got some more coming, hopefully today
[9:59] <reider59> That 26 pin cable seems rock hard
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[10:01] <reider59> I`ll try the rubber mallet
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[10:02] <reider59> maybe do the backside to the cable first so the metal tangs go through then put the clip end on
[10:02] <reider59> it`s the clip end that breaks
[10:04] <reider59> An hair dryer on the cable may have softened it first but I have so little hair ;-)
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[10:13] <hetii> Hi :)
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[10:24] <Crenn-NAS> Woo! Just ordered another RPi :D
[10:24] <reider59> how long to wait?
[10:25] <Crenn-NAS> According to the sheet: "1 will be available for delivery on 1 Aug, 2012"
[10:25] <Crenn-NAS> I doubt it though
[10:25] <Crenn-NAS> But would be cool :D
[10:25] <reider59> Does seem a tad soon, just have to hope
[10:30] <rm> Crenn-NAS, farnell?
[10:30] <Crenn-NAS> rm: e14, so yes
[10:31] <rm> I knew it
[10:31] <rm> because RS at the moment has: Despatch expected in 19 week(s)
[10:31] <rm> :)
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[10:34] <Crenn-NAS> Hehe
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[10:45] <Crenn-NAS> But yeah, it's for my birthday! :D
[10:45] <{Placebo}> hmm, ok. well, the pi is working (with raspbian), i also managed to got tightvncserver running (got problems with xming, might look into it later). i??m currently looking for something that equals the "control panel, system setting" in windows. like something with a gui for network config and that kind of stuff. any suggestions what to install? or am i simply too blind and it??s already
[10:45] <{Placebo}> there? :)
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[10:51] <reider59> Samba maybe
[10:51] <reider59> just do a Google
[10:51] <reider59> or look in the Raspberry Pi Forum
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[10:51] <reider59> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/index.php
[10:52] <Crenn-NAS> {Placebo}: What are you wanting to use the RPi for?
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[10:52] <Crenn-NAS> If for a server, then I can help a bit with that
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[10:52] <Crenn-NAS> For samba, take a look here: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_NAS
[10:55] <{Placebo}> it??s my first linux device, i??m coming from win/beos/qnx/os2 ...but never touched something like that before
[10:56] <reider59> For the problems with Xming look here.....http://wraspi.freeforums.org/vnc-over-ssh-t75.html I changed the default instructions and what you add to the settings. This worked "C:\Program Files\Xming\Xming.exe" -clipboard -rootless
[10:56] <{Placebo}> that??s why i??m messing with some basic stuff. and well, i??d like to have some graphic interface for setting all my network stuff instead of using the command line (that??s the main thing right now)
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[10:59] <reider59> right, showered, time to dress then hang the first lot of washing out, bbs
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[11:16] <reider59> woo hoo washing out, next lot in, coffee made. Think I might do burgers on a barm for dinner seeing as it`s saturday
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[11:20] <oznt> hi everyone
[11:20] <reider59> hi oz
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[11:27] <oznt> reider59, maybe you could help
[11:28] <reider59> wassup
[11:28] <oznt> i am struggling with connecting my rpi to wlan using RTL8188CUS based chip
[11:28] <oznt> the chip is working
[11:28] <reider59> Did you go to the forum and use the script by Mr.engman?
[11:29] <oznt> i can scan networks, but i can't connect using WPA Hex encryption
[11:29] <oznt> Yes I did get that script
[11:29] <oznt> it ran , and than hung
[11:29] <reider59> Best bet then is post in that forum
[11:29] <oznt> so i reboot the machine, and than i did the steps manually
[11:29] <oznt> so now i think my problem is just setting that bl***y connections
[11:30] <reider59> Something is deep in the back of my mind about WPA, sure you have to approach it a different way
[11:30] <reider59> I believe I and others posted about it in that thread
[11:30] <deebo> im genuinely curious whats bl***y
[11:31] <reider59> lets not go there
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[11:32] <oznt> reider59, the encryption seems to be right, but when it comes to obtaining ip address wicd just goes on and on about obtaining it
[11:33] <nid0> is your ap actually running a dhcp server?
[11:33] <nid0> and have you tried just setting one manually?
[11:33] <oznt> whoops, something really weired just happened
[11:33] <oznt> i unplugged my lan connection ...
[11:33] <oznt> and my rpi got a wireless connection :-/
[11:33] <reider59> I couldn`t get wicd to do much. For something that`s supposed to help it seems to want a lot of stuff set up to make it work properly.
[11:34] <reider59> That could be the settings in /etc/network/interfaces
[11:35] <reider59> Look in there to see what`s different between the wired and the WiFi
[11:35] <reider59> sudo nano .etc/network/interfaces
[11:35] <reider59> oops forget the .
[11:36] <reider59> and add /
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[11:37] <Cael> is there a way to make the pi (raspbian) default to a usb soundcard instead of it's own?
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[11:40] <Cael> i thought since ASLA support was so terrible for the pi's own broadcom Sound driver i could use my USB card (so im not ear raped in pocketsnes)
[11:41] <reider59> This thread may help with the USB sound problem http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=7107&p=127643
[11:41] <oznt> reider59, the interface had wpk wpssid that the script added
[11:42] <reider59> just comment out anything you don`t want and add what you do, then try it. If it fails it`s easy to put it back how it was. far easier than dleting lines and forgetting what they were
[11:43] <reider59> *deleting
[11:45] <oznt> reider59, i have no clue ... after reboot, my rpi does not connect using wicd
[11:46] <reider59> I don`t use wicd, it`s there but I ignore it. the script that Mr.Engman provided worked with mine once I set a static IP and rebooted the Pi
[11:47] <reider59> But there is a problem WPA, I`m sure it`s a difference in some of the lines you type in
[11:47] <oznt> ok, i'll try static, but what fields should my file have?
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[11:47] <gordonDrogon> hi
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> making up IDC sockets? Use a vice if you have one...
[11:48] <reider59> Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcqQwBpB3Rw&feature=relmfu
[11:49] * gordonDrogon nods. pretty standard stuff in debian.
[11:49] <reider59> Tried the Vice and went slow Gordon, as per the video, tried with and without rubber liners on the jaws. In both instances the clip part of the socket header just snapped.
[11:49] <reider59> The cable seems rock hard
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[11:50] <gordonDrogon> most odd... the outer clips should - well, clipi over the lugs on the main body.
[11:50] <reider59> I`ll try again today if they vcome but I may give th erubber mallet a go as per your old hammer trick
[11:52] <oznt> reider59, thanks, this is for a lan interface
[11:52] <Cael> ohhh Not Good :/
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[11:52] <oznt> oznt, i think i still need to put that security info inthere
[11:52] <Cael> im getting bo respone on the Pi's video out.
[11:52] <Cael> *no response
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> really - if you have a vice, then use that rather than a hammer.
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> much much easier.
[11:53] <cjbaird> I take it that the word "faaaabulous" is being banned on the official RPi blog at the moment. :P :)
[11:53] <`z> faaaabulous
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> I have also used big pliers - but not the needle-nose types!
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[11:54] <gordonDrogon> http://reprap.org/wiki/MakeIDCCable
[11:55] <reider59> woo hoo! Parcel arrived from tandy Online, this will be the connectors,10 x F/M jumper wires and 65 x M/M jumper wires
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> fun :)
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[11:57] <reider59> More for my collection. got a nice long plastic case with lid with the 20 x 4 LCD so this ideal for my jumper wire collection. the rest of them go in a proper jumper case but the F/M and M/M are a tad too long for the slots in that one.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> yea, I'm thinking of getting one of those nice cases with lots of drawers in it again.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> starting to re-build my old electronics, etc. collection :)
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[11:59] <reider59> the drawers one sounds an excellent idea. Maplins get them in and I think Poundstretcher or something (not a pound shop).
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[12:00] <reider59> Wilkinsons occasionally have them too
[12:00] <reider59> ab fab?
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> there is a model hobby shop in newton abbot, but if I have to get in he car, might go further to toolstation, etc. in exeter.
[12:02] <Cael> ok i got it working by commenting out the option that blocks the card as being used as first card.
[12:02] <Cael> but there's this verry weird Buzzing/hom noise that changes pitch w/ CPU activity
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> Cael, what are you up to?
[12:03] <reider59> I might go hobble about on my stick to our Toolstation for a soldering iron base, only around ?2 and and Maplins want about ?7. May even get the lecky invalid buggy from town and just sneak it out of their area to Toolstation
[12:03] <Cael> trying to use a USB Soundcard to overcome the HORRIBLE sound that i get out of an emulator on the pi's own sound hardware
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> Ah, ok.
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[12:03] <Cael> omg i mad ethe mistake of earbuds when loading earthbound
[12:04] <Cael> i still have a ringing in my ears XD
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> I have that permanently - tinnitus )-:
[12:04] <Cael> the nice part aside from this Buzzing noize
[12:04] <Cael> thers NO glitchy sound
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> does the usb device sound ok when used normally without the emulator?
[12:05] <Cael> no
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> oh..
[12:05] <Cael> i heard that same buzzing durring pi-boot
[12:05] <Cael> if i were to start LXDE the buzzing changes to a much higher pitch
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> oh well, sound under Linux isn't something I've spent much time on myself - its either worked or not for me...
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> odd that it would affect a usb device like that - do you have a usb extension cable in-case it's picking up radiated noise locally?
[12:06] <reider59> I`ve just taken the locking clip retainer and the cable restrainer off the IDC leaving the IDC only. If I use something to cushion the cable, fit the connector pin1 to the correct side then hit it with the rubber mallet to go through the wires. then put the restrainer etc back on that might just work. If the pointed ends don`t flatten first. I have 4 and I can afford to lose 1
[12:06] <Cael> well thats how its connected i'm not using a usb hub atm,
[12:07] <Cael> maybe i should?
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> reider59, you start with the bottom unit - with the spiky pins at one end and the holes at the other - on-top of that put put the retainer, then slide the cable in-between.
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> Cael, maybe something to just get it a but further away from the pi?
[12:08] <Cael> its on an standard USB Extention cable
[12:08] <reider59> I know how it goes but the last two just broke the other end, the restrainer with no spiky pins in. Probably just cheap ones with flimsy plastic
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> reider59, then you squeeze that assembly together - slowly... the spiky pins will penetrate the cable and the cover will click into place. when it clicks, it's done.
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[12:09] <reider59> either 29 or 39p each
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> right - a quick shower then to the kitchen.... to make another pie case...
[12:10] <Cael> im using Audacity to record this durring boot
[12:10] <reider59> 33p inc vat
[12:11] <reider59> Those M/F jumper wires were ?1.66 inc vat which I think is a very good deal. The 65 M/M were ?2.49 so not bad at all
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[12:21] <Cael> here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/85w6pq this is a short recording from the moment the pi's booted up till just before im greeted with login
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[12:29] <Cael> ok maybe 2 situations.
[12:29] <Cael> A: the USB cable or B: i needed a powered hub :/
[12:29] <Cael> that noise is gone.
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[12:34] <Cael> hmm when i can i'll look into a better extanetion cable (or just buy a new cheapie maybe the one i have is bad :/)
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[12:34] <reider59> I get feedback over VNC sometimes too, annoying little problems
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[12:35] <hetii> Hello :)
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[12:36] <hetii> I have some idea how speed up RPi :) As we know SD card can operate in SDR50 mode that require 1,8v of signaling and frequency up to 100MHz
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[12:37] <reider59> lol my own forum and suddenly I get a message that posting is forbidden, I do not have permission
[12:37] <hetii> unfortunate PI don`t have proper voltage convert on the board
[12:38] <hetii> but i suppose some card readers or board read form notbooks can have proper chip signaling like txs0206
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[12:39] <hetii> so if someone will find such board we can do some additional speed test :)
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[12:44] <hetii> i found http://www.ti.com/tool/txs0206aevm
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[13:02] <oznt> could it be that something is wrong with my router ? i could connect to some wlans witn wpa encryption, but not to my own ...
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> hi
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[13:05] <gordonDrogon> hetii, intersting idea, but I wonder if the bottleneck for a lot of things is more the CPU than the speed of the SD card. Even before I was getting 20MB/sec out of mine, it was still the CPU that was slowing down the things that I am doing - mostly compiling small projects though.
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[13:07] <gordonDrogon> reider59, not just simply logged out?
[13:07] <hetii> gordonDrogon: to be onest we will see when we run it :)
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[13:10] <hetii> i suppose some engineers form broadcom know the limits of thier product
[13:10] <hetii> will be nice if they will tell us how much we can get from this sd bus :)
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> it's hard to find out exactly what the limits are.
[13:15] <hetii> yep, official frequency is 700
[13:15] <hetii> and my board works fine at 1050MHz
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> cpu clock speed? Yes, it's designed to run at that speed.
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> most boards seem to run at 900MHz and some faster with overvolting.
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> overvolting does reduce the chip lifetime though.
[13:17] <reider59> Sorry, was out checking the weather, changed from sunny to overcast and dark and I have washing out. Just put a second lot out and one or two bits not dry from the first lot yet. No, very strange, I had to post piecemeal, a bit at a time but it won`t let me post all of it in one go or the last bit and it`s just simple text. I tried as an ordinary user and as Admin. It`s an old post for Squeeze and Wheezy with
[13:17] <reider59> a slight change for Raspbian in one of the files to edit. Anyway, I copied it there in its entirety instead of edit/paste. These things are sent to test us. Now it`s time to go get some barms, where`s me stick?
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[13:19] <hetii> gordonDrogon: i think when i add some proper additional radiator then can get nice compromise between life time and performance.
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[13:19] <reider59> bbs
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[13:36] <Leestons> is the latest raspian release have ssh enabled by default?
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[13:52] <trumee> has anybody tried icecast on raspberry pi?
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[13:52] <trumee> i want to use raspberry for icecast transcoding/streaming, does it have enough cpu grunt to do that?
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[14:06] <Mazon> anyone installed cacti ?
[14:06] <mervaka> no, but i am running my own rrdtool based app
[14:07] <mervaka> isnt cacti powered by rrdtool?
[14:08] <mervaka> http://mervaka.co.uk/~mervaka/.powertrack/
[14:10] <Mazon> cacti is using a collection of stuff, including php, perl, mysql, rrd etc
[14:10] <mervaka> ah
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[14:11] <mervaka> yeah my app just logs power usage/generation straight to rrd
[14:11] <mervaka> nothing fancy to it :p
[14:11] <Mazon> where do you read power from ?
[14:11] <mervaka> a currentcost smart meter
[14:12] <mervaka> ch1 is dayrate, ch2 is nightrate, ch3 is generation
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[14:30] <liar> Hexxeh: ping
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[14:35] <nickDI> anyone knows how I could mount my RPI card on the Mac so I can copy some files from it?
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[14:37] <nickDI> I tried with OSX Fuse and and fuse-ext2, it mounts but I can't access the contents because of the privileges
[14:37] <reider59> ya hey! Managed to get three of the IDC connectors on before I went to the shop. that`s what a wanted, a double ended one and one to split the wire ends. Mole Grips were best
[14:37] * plugwash generally finds the best tool for IDC connectors is a vice
[14:38] <plugwash> I've tried tools designed for the purpose but generally been unimpressed
[14:38] <reider59> nope, broke two connectors in the vice
[14:38] <reider59> just did nothing for me
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[14:40] <ReggieUK> I agree with plugwash
[14:40] <ReggieUK> just take it really slowly and make sure the cable is aligned properly
[14:40] <ReggieUK> if you broke 2 connectors, you tightened the vice too much :)
[14:41] <reider59> Did all that but I think they were cheap connectors with flimsy plastic lock tabs. Anyway they`re done now
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[14:45] <Gadgetoid> Hahaha, 2976579765!
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[14:46] <plugwash> ?
[14:46] <Gadgetoid> Protip, convert it to hex, or read more trashy news stories
[14:49] <reider59> mmmm burgers on barms n a dish of beans were really good
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[14:50] <plugwash> ahh the MS puts slightly racy constant into the linux kernel story
[14:51] <plugwash> didn't someone write a script a while back to count the number of swear words in the kernel source.......
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[15:10] <ReggieUK> it wasn't me
[15:17] <XeCrypt> http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/wordcount/
[15:19] <techsurvivor> i just did the 7 words of george carlin in just c and h files and got 174 hits
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[15:19] <gordonDrogon> hetii, been afk - temperature isn't a lifetime factor...
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[15:21] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, saw that recently - bit of a fuss made over it I thought :) 0xb00b :)
[15:21] <plugwash> probablly the fuss was just because it was MS
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> penguin is a swear word???
[15:22] <plugwash> afaict a lot of people aren't too contributing to linux
[15:23] <plugwash> *aren't too comfortable with MS contributing to linux
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> what about IBM, RegHat, Oracle, Google, etc...
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[15:24] <gordonDrogon> I don't think you can have it every way...
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> Hm. might be BBQ lunch time again!
[15:25] <plugwash> to the best of my knowlege none of those described linux as cancer
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[15:30] <ReggieUK> I suspect the uproar was because it was peurile and childish to include it as an error number myself?
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[15:31] <Skeeter-> rpi wont boot anytying anymore..
[15:32] <Skeeter-> when i dd the .img
[15:32] <Skeeter-> i goes only @ 1.3mb/s
[15:33] <techsurvivor> maybe your sd card is bad, tried a different one?
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[15:39] <Skeeter-> nope
[15:39] <Skeeter-> thats the next thing
[15:39] <Skeeter-> im piseed
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[15:39] <aaa801> LANGUAGEEEE
[15:39] <Skeeter-> i had that card for 6 months,and nvr tried it XD
[15:39] <aaa801> ReggieUk will slap you =/
[15:39] <techsurvivor> not much can go wrong with dd as long as you're using the same command every time
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[15:41] <aaa801> mean
[15:41] <aaa801> :P
[15:42] <ReggieUK> :)
[15:44] <aaa801> urgha
[15:44] <aaa801> my internet is REGGIEUKing around
[15:44] <ReggieUK> oh it's going to be one of those days is it?
[15:45] <aaa801> indeeds
[15:45] <aaa801> internet slow = slow satellite decryption
[15:45] <aaa801> = rage
[15:45] <RITRedbeard> slightly off topic:
[15:46] <aaa801> See you on the other side http://screensnapr.com/v/NQ2QX4.jpg
[15:46] <RITRedbeard> does anyone know that monthly $30 t-mobile unlimited HSPA+ can be sim transfered to USB modem?
[15:46] <RITRedbeard> the first 5GB of data are HSPA+/4G LTE
[15:46] <RITRedbeard> the rest is 3G
[15:46] <plugwash> generally you can put any sim in anything
[15:47] <RITRedbeard> and does such a dongle have drivers for linucks?
[15:47] <plugwash> whether you are following your contract by doing so is another matter
[15:47] <plugwash> i'm pretty sure it's possible to get them working on linux but I haven't done it myself, last time I needed to use one I was in a hurry so I used a commercial router
[15:48] <RITRedbeard> you dpn
[15:48] <RITRedbeard> don't have to break the terms if you get an extra $15 tethering clause
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[15:48] <RITRedbeard> but it's a TOS/month by month
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[15:48] <RITRedbeard> just curious
[15:48] <plugwash> (actually I have used one on linux, network-manager can set them up but I don't know how to do it outside X)
[15:48] <plugwash> I was forgetting that
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[16:11] <dirty_d> theres no official names for the interrupt enable etc registers?
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[16:26] <dlynes> Is it normal for the rpi to maxing out the cpu, just playing a screen saver, or an apt-get?
[16:27] <aaa801> YE
[16:27] <aaa801> ye
[16:27] <{Placebo}> no idea if that??s normal, but the same happens for me :)
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[16:29] <dlynes> {Placebo}, btw...for your networking, you can install gnome-network-manager for a gui network manager
[16:29] <dmsuse> ppl still use screen savers?
[16:30] <dlynes> dmsuse, yes, but there's no point these days...it's just puuurrrrty to look at
[16:30] <dmsuse> lawl :P k
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[16:31] <dlynes> dmsuse, well, unless you're hooking your rpi up to a crt, or tv with a tube
[16:31] <dmsuse> but even then you will need it on constantly for 2 years :p
[16:32] <dlynes> dmsuse, but even then, most recently manufactured tubes have very little burn in
[16:32] <dmsuse> ive seen a screen burnt monitor before :D
[16:32] <ReggieUK> I've seen a screen burnt plasma but it was quite a few years ago now
[16:32] <dlynes> dmsuse, you can get it quicker than 2 years
[16:32] <dmsuse> :o
[16:32] <ReggieUK> and it took nowhere near 2years :)
[16:33] <dlynes> dmsuse, at least with the old crt's
[16:33] <dmsuse> oh
[16:33] <ReggieUK> channel glyphs on sky would cause burn in
[16:35] <dmsuse> i think ive seen a sky burn too
[16:35] <bootc> http://imagebin.org/221650 :-D
[16:35] <dmsuse> bootc: whats that
[16:36] <deebo> i have two high end lcd's from ~5-6 years ago and both suffer from burn in
[16:37] <deebo> not that common in TN displays but more so in higher end panels
[16:37] <bootc> dmsuse: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/06/20/raspberry-pi-xbee-smt-backpack/
[16:37] <bootc> basically, a ZigBee network of 2 Raspberry Pis
[16:40] <dmsuse> whats wrong with wifi?
[16:44] <aaa801> *cough* http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271022314399 *cough*
[16:47] <plugwash> aaa801, he must be deseperate to sell given how low his buy it now price is
[16:47] <aaa801> Mhm?
[16:48] <aaa801> low?
[16:48] <plugwash> ??70 for two raspberry Pis seems pretty low to me
[16:48] <plugwash> only a slight premium over the heavilly backordered RS/farnell
[16:49] <aaa801> Buy em :3
[16:58] <plugwash> I would but I already have two spare
[17:01] <rm> I would if he would post not just to the UK only
[17:03] <aaa801> rm where are you located?
[17:04] <aaa801> also the seller is me
[17:04] <aaa801> lol
[17:05] <rm> Russia
[17:05] <aaa801> How much would that cost?
[17:06] <rm> I dunno, you tell me
[17:06] <rm> RS manages to do worldwide flatrate shipping
[17:06] <rm> for $8
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[17:13] <{Placebo}> dlynes: could you give me a heads up on how to install it? :)
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[17:15] <dirty_d> hmmm
[17:17] <dlynes> {placebo} apt-get install gnome-network-manager
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[17:18] <{Placebo}> thx :)
[17:18] <dlynes> {Placebo}, If you want to get a list of things you can install, you can do 'apt-cache search', followed by a keyword
[17:18] <dlynes> {Placebo}, assuming you're using a debian-based install, that is
[17:18] <dlynes> {Placebo}, if it's a fedora-based install (such as the one from Nokia's Qt team), you would do yum search, and yum install
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[17:19] <{Placebo}> dlynes: nope, i installed raspbian on my sd card
[17:19] <Niff> So question for you fine folks: I finally got my pi in, but my planned charger is not with me due to logistic reasons. However I do have a touchpad charger rated at 5.3V @2A, I know the pi is rated at 5 volts, but I figured I might as well ask if aslightly higher voltage would be allowed (this post mentioned some amount of success: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic. php?f=28&t=11529&p=126831&hilit=charger#p126831 )
[17:21] <{Placebo}> dlynes: just tried that (apt-get). it??s complaining that i??m not loged in as root? (though i did with pi/raspberry as "always")
[17:21] <plugwash> Niff, I'm pretty sure it will be fine
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[17:33] <Adya> Hi guys:)
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[17:37] <Adya> I find raspbian very useful??
[17:37] <Adya> !!
[17:37] <Adya> )
[17:37] <Adya> And what about Raspithon?
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[17:37] <Adya> Have they already made a game for Pi?
[17:38] <Adya> Can't watch now:-(
[17:38] <Niff> That is my hope plugwash, but what would happen if i still end up with too many volts at the other end of the cable? I would expect it to drop to at leat 5.2, but is that within allowed tolerances?
[17:38] <plugwash> IIRC the USB spec officially says up to 5.25
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[17:39] <plugwash> in practice I would expect the pi to tolerate at least a little above that
[17:44] <Niff> good enough for me, ill finish setting up everything else and give it a go then
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[17:52] <dirty_d> grrrrr, kernel madness driving me crazy
[17:52] <dirty_d> any of you guys ever worked on kernel code?
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[17:53] <gordonDrogon> hi
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, sorry no - always been on of the things on my to-do list, but never managed to get very high )-:
[17:54] <dirty_d> im doing something wrong
[17:54] <dirty_d> ive got the gpio interrupts set up
[17:54] <dirty_d> but when an interrupt actaully happens, my rpi locks up
[17:55] <dlynes> {Placebo}, if you're not logged in as root, run it as sudo (sudo apt-get install blahblah, or sudo apt-cache search blahblah)
[17:56] <dlynes> {Placebo}, pi/raspberry is not root..that's logging in as the 'pi' user, with the password 'raspberry'
[17:57] <dlynes> dirty_d, yes, but not successfully :o
[17:57] <dirty_d> well heres my code anyway, lol. http://ideone.com/gHkCZ
[17:57] <dirty_d> its very simple
[17:57] <dlynes> dirty_d, and what's the problem?
[17:58] <dlynes> dirty_d, oh...nvm...missed it
[17:58] <dirty_d> my rpi locks up when the interrupt happens
[17:58] <dlynes> dirty_d, so it locks up in sigtest_open()?
[17:58] <dirty_d> no
[17:58] <dirty_d> it opens it fine
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, I know nothing, but: register_chrdev(666 ... shouldn't that be 0666 - leading zero to imply octal?
[17:58] <dirty_d> it locks up when the level on a GPIO pin changes and the actual interrupt happens
[17:59] <dirty_d> no, its just a regular number
[17:59] <dirty_d> all that stuff is working
[17:59] <dlynes> dirty_d, oh...nvm it locks up when it hits sigtest_interrupt
[17:59] <dirty_d> dlynes, i assume, im not sure where it actually locksup, i dont really have any way to know
[18:00] <dlynes> dirty_d, have you tried putting a kernel log in sigtest_interrupt?
[18:00] <dlynes> dirty_d, to see if it's actually getting to that function?
[18:00] <dlynes> dirty_d, it might be locking up somewhere else
[18:00] <dirty_d> i cant because it crashes so theres no way it can actually log it
[18:00] <dirty_d> id need to have like a serial console to log to
[18:01] <dirty_d> actually there is some network log thing
[18:01] <dirty_d> i forgot what its called
[18:01] <dlynes> dirty_d, so you don't have a display hooked up to it?
[18:02] <dirty_d> dlynes, i do, but i see no kernel messages or anything
[18:02] <dirty_d> it just locks up hard
[18:02] <dirty_d> like infinite kernel loop or soemthing
[18:02] <dirty_d> i think maybe its just interrupting forever
[18:07] <{Placebo}> dlynes: ooooops, my bad - i thought user pi = also root rights (similar to admin in windows) ...my bad :)
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[18:16] <dlynes> {Placebo}, no...root user has the name 'root'
[18:17] <dlynes> {Placebo}, root user has ultimate privileges..you can give an unprivileged user almost everything 'root' has by assigning that user to the same groups. However, there's some things that only root has privilege to do
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[18:18] <{Placebo}> ok. so one more question until i stop buggint you, well ...at least for the moment :) ...i did a sudo apt-get update ...followed by an install of the network manager ...
[18:19] <{Placebo}> then i get a reading packet list, dependenc., reading status info, blabla ...but then it stops with an error: "E: packet gnoome-network-manager can??t be found"
[18:19] <{Placebo}> any ideas? :)
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[18:21] <plugwash> firstly it's called network-manager-gnome not gnoome-network-manager
[18:21] <plugwash> secondly lemme check if we have it in raspbian yet and if not why not
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[18:22] <plugwash> yep we do
[18:22] <{Placebo}> plugwash: yes, there is ...sorry, my bad ...you??re right. install is working now
[18:23] <dlynes> dirty_d, Is that the recommended function to install an interrupt handler?
[18:23] <dirty_d> dlynes, from what i can tell
[18:23] <dlynes> dirty_d, the reason I'm asking, is because when I look at interrupt.h
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[18:23] <dirty_d> dlynes, im recompiling mt rpi kernel with netconsole support, so i can see whats actually happening
[18:24] <dlynes> dirty_d, request_irq calls request_threaded_irq calls request_irq calls request_threaded_irq ...
[18:24] <dirty_d> hmm
[18:25] <dlynes> dirty_d, looks like an infinitely recursive loop to me
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[18:25] <dirty_d> nah, it works
[18:25] <dirty_d> it just locks up after that when the interrupt happens
[18:26] <dlynes> dirty_d, also the other thing I see out of whack is the flag 'IRQF_SHARED' is not documented
[18:27] <{Placebo}> plug: install failed due to some missing gnome-bluetooth
[18:27] <friggle> dirty_d: netconsole won't work :/ requires polling mode support in smsc9fxx iirc
[18:27] <dlynes> dirty_d, the flags that are defined are SA_INTERRUPT, SA_SAMPLE_RANDOM, and SA_SHIRQ
[18:27] <dirty_d> dlynes, yea the kernel documentation sucks
[18:27] <dirty_d> i think those are the old flags
[18:27] <dirty_d> the new ones are IRQF
[18:27] <dlynes> dirty_d, ah
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[18:28] <dlynes> dirty_d, new as of when? the sa_ series are for 2.6 kernels
[18:30] <dirty_d> where are you seeing those?
[18:30] <dirty_d> look in a 3.x kernel
[18:32] <dlynes> dirty_d, nvm...it seems to have been defined for earlier 2.6 kernels, but has been deprecated since 2007
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[18:32] <dlynes> dirty_d, it seems to have been taken out completely now
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[18:34] <martk100> My pi never shuts down fully . Every time I boot it has to do fsck. Leading to frequent corruptions on sd card.. How do I make my pi (on raspian wheezy) shutdown?
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[18:36] <oldtopman> martk100: sudo shutdown -h now
[18:36] <oldtopman> After a little while it'll say "system halted" and you can unplug it.
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[18:42] <pretec> Hi
[18:44] <dlynes> dirty_d, i did find another example that's combining that flag with IRQF_TRIGGER_RISING and IRQF_TRIGGER_FALLING...don't know if you'd find it helpful...it's specifically for GPIO
[18:44] <dirty_d> im setting the registers in userspace
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[18:46] <gordonDrogon> Heh. this is neat: http://www.skpang.co.uk/blog/archives/541
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[18:48] <friggle> gordonDrogon: it certainly is. Quite a fashion statement :)
[18:48] <friggle> does anyone have any outstanding kernel config modification requests that aren't on either the asb/spindle or raspberrypi/linux issue tracker?
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[18:52] <dirty_d> dlynes, the signal handler is getting called over and over using 100% cpu and locking the system
[18:52] <dirty_d> i setup the kernel messages to go to the tv
[18:53] <reider59> I already have part of that sandwich case and the mini keyboard/trackpad/laser pointer lol
[18:54] <plugwash> I don't know about the Pi specifically but on a lot of hardware you have to clear an intterrupt as part of processing it
[18:54] <plugwash> otherwise it will immediately trigger again when your handler returns
[18:54] <dirty_d> plugwash, i did though
[18:55] <dirty_d> i added this code to the interrupt handler
[18:55] <dirty_d> *((uint32_t *)0xF2200040) = 0x0;
[18:55] <dirty_d> thats the gpio event detect register
[18:55] <dirty_d> maybe i have the address wrong
[18:56] <dirty_d> but it says thats where the peripherals are mapped in kernel virtual memory
[18:56] <oznt> hi guys, i am here again, I am still having difficulties making raspberrypi working with wlan chip. Oddly enough this cheap works perfectly in Debian amd64.
[18:56] <oznt> Does anyone have an idea what could be wrong?
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> friggle, how does the kernel that's included with the raspbian release compare to bootc's kernel?
[18:57] <plugwash> oznt, how are you powering this WLAN adaptor?
[18:57] <friggle> gordonDrogon: 3.1.9-based rather than 3.2.x, and I'm not sure what config bootc uses
[18:57] <oznt> plugwash, connecting it the rpi
[18:57] <plugwash> have you bypassed the polyswitches?
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> friggle, ok. just wondering about the drivers included like i2c, spi and the gpio interrupts..
[18:58] <friggle> gordonDrogon: it has a backport of his spi and i2c drivers
[18:58] <friggle> gordonDrogon: I think gpio interrupts got merged, but would have to double check
[18:58] <bootc> http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/07/21/raspberry-pi-xbee-pcbs/ :-D
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> friggle, ok. thanks.
[18:58] <friggle> I want to make an alternate 'firmware' build based on his kernel, then we can start the process of moving over to that
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> bootc, looks good - do you have an application in-mind for them?
[18:59] <bootc> gordonDrogon: not really
[18:59] <oznt> plugwash, what are polyswitches?
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[18:59] <gordonDrogon> bootc, so a solution waiting for a question :)
[18:59] <bootc> I'd like to use them to monitor my leccy usage though - I have a FLAG probe with a USB connector and software to read it, but the leccy cupboard is in a silly location
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> friggle, ok - I had a few questions about the interrupts thing - not appearing in some kernels I guess.
[18:59] <plugwash> oznt, polyswitches are similar to fuses but unlike fuses which only blow once polyswitches reset when they cool down
[19:00] <bootc> so ZigBee would be handy for that
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[19:00] <plugwash> anyway the designers of the Pi put stupidly low rating polyswitches on the USB ports which prevent use of high power USB devices
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> yea. I've not used the zgibee stuff, but I have used the xrf/urf modules.
[19:00] <plugwash> easiest soloution to this is to bypass them
[19:00] <dirty_d> bootc, have you dont any work with interrupts on rpi?
[19:00] <bootc> I already have a 1-wire network for most other things though - but maybe one day I'll have some real zigbee kit knocking around to join to the network
[19:00] <bootc> dirty_d: not for the 3.1/3.2 kernel series
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[19:01] <gordonDrogon> the designers of the pi sensibly put in sensible rated polyfuses to prevent a usb device burning out the tracks on the pcb...
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[19:01] <bootc> I did write the pinctrl+gpio+interrupts driver for the 3.5+ kernel branch though
[19:01] <oznt> plugwash, so if i connect the adapter to a usb switch it might work?
[19:01] <friggle> bootc: heard anything from Simon recently?
[19:01] <dirty_d> bootc, well do you know why a gpio rising edge interrupt would fire forever and lock up the pi, is there a register you need to clear?
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[19:02] <plugwash> oznt, a powered USB hub may help but hubs can cause problems of their own
[19:02] <bootc> friggle: not for a little bit actually, and I've been a bit snowed under myself as well :-(
[19:02] <oznt> hmm ... i heard of people using this chip successfully with that adapter
[19:02] <bootc> dirty_d: yes, you do need to acknowledge the interrupt once received
[19:02] <bootc> but that should be the driver's job
[19:02] <dirty_d> bootc, i clearned the event detect reg and even set the pins all to low, but it still keeps firing
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[19:02] <oznt> it works , it scans, it does everything, just does not get an ip address
[19:02] <dirty_d> bootc, how is that done? through which register
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[19:03] <dirty_d> is it the interrupt pending reg?
[19:03] <bootc> dirty_d: can't remember now, let me find a link to my driver for you
[19:03] <dirty_d> ok
[19:03] <bootc> dirty_d: https://github.com/bootc/linux/blob/rpi-linear/drivers/pinctrl/pinctrl-bcm2708.c
[19:03] <dirty_d> thanks
[19:03] <bootc> use that as inspiration :-)
[19:04] <bootc> you may even be able to backport it to the 3.1/3.2 kernels if you rip out all the device tree stuff, may come out rather useful
[19:04] <bootc> but I don't have time to put the work in for that for something that will essentially be transitional
[19:05] <bootc> dirty_d: I think the interesting code is https://github.com/bootc/linux/blob/rpi-linear/drivers/pinctrl/pinctrl-bcm2708.c#L423
[19:05] <oznt> plugwash, any idea maybe why is it not getting ip address?
[19:06] <bootc> dirty_d: if you did backport that driver, I'd be more than happy to carry that in my kernel
[19:06] <bootc> and I know that driver works well as I used it with a microSD card and enc28j60 ethernet chip :-)
[19:06] <dirty_d> bootc, hmm, i did that in my interrupt handler, although a hacky and probably wrong way, *((uint32_t *)0xF2200040) = 0x0;
[19:06] <bootc> yes, that is indeed wrong
[19:07] <bootc> :-)
[19:07] <dirty_d> wrong address?
[19:07] <bootc> you need to ioremap or writel with the right conversions
[19:07] <dirty_d> i thought the peripherals were mapped to 0xF2000000
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[19:10] <dirty_d> bootc, i thought ioremap would just change 0x20200040 to 0xF2200040
[19:13] <dirty_d> oh damnit
[19:13] <dirty_d> that should have been 0xFFFFFFFF
[19:13] <dirty_d> ill never get used to clearing bits by writing 1 to them...
[19:14] <bootc> heh, that too
[19:15] <bootc> but you can't rely on *((uint32_t *)0xF2200040) working in kernel space, the mapping *could* be different
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[19:15] <dirty_d> right
[19:15] <dirty_d> ok, well it works now
[19:16] <bootc> I haven't looked at the existing gpio interrupt code, but it really should be using ioremap, and the same base pointer as the rest of the GPIO code too
[19:16] <bootc> you should ideally also only clear the bits for the particular interrupts you are handling
[19:16] <bootc> or you might miss some
[19:17] <bootc> e.g. read the GPEDS0, *interrupt happens*, clear GPEDS0 - there, you've lost that interrupt
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[19:22] <dirty_d> yea
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[19:24] <dirty_d> bootc, if you wanted to do some real serious realtime stuff could you load a kernel module disable all interrupts, enable what you need and start an infinite loop?
[19:25] <bootc> dirty_d: you could, but that would kill the system pretty quickly too :-)
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[19:26] <dirty_d> well with no intentions of going back to the beforehand state
[19:26] <bootc> right, off out - later all
[19:26] <dirty_d> later
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[19:34] <Maior> so wiring GPIO pins to switch moderately random bits of electronics - I assume this is the kind of thing someone has already done?
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> Maior, yes.
[19:35] <plugwash> well yeah, it's not rocket surgery
[19:35] <Maior> and presumably just involves a handful of optoisolators, and attempting to remember what I got taught about transistors at school
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> not neccessarily.
[19:35] <plugwash> well depends on what exactly you are trying to switch, optoisolation is not strictly needed in most cases
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> it all depens on what you want to connect to.
[19:35] <Maior> gordonDrogon: "moderately random "
[19:36] <Maior> er, premature enter, whoops
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> it still depends on what you want to connect to.
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> you don't always need opto isolators.
[19:37] <Maior> gordonDrogon: relatively arbitrary Other Things - just looking to put together a generic "connect this to X, this to Y, now you can choose between them connected or not with one line of python"
[19:37] <Maior> s/between them connected/whether X is connected to Y/
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> so you want to build a sort of generic buffer board?
[19:38] <Maior> gordonDrogon: that sounds about right
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> There's the Gertboard to start with - no optos there...
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> The PiFace - no optos there either.
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[19:39] <Maior> ah, ok, sounds good, thanks
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> speaking of which, must get it going.
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> and use bootc's spi driver...
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> Maior, what sort of thing do you have in-mind to hook up to initially?
[19:42] * aaa801 thinks that gordonDrogon should buy his extra pi's
[19:44] <Maior> gordonDrogon: toy car remote control
[19:44] <techsurvivor> speaking of bootc's spi and i2c, does anyone know if it's enabled in the .config or does one have to do that himself?
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, buy your extra Pis?
[19:44] <friggle> techsurvivor: backports are enabled in the current 3.1.9 kernel builds
[19:44] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: buyem :D http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271022314399
[19:44] <techsurvivor> ohhhh i didn't know that I had checkout out his git hub 3.2.23
[19:44] <friggle> techsurvivor: except it sounds like we foolishly didn't enable CONFIG_SPI_SPIDEV so you might want to wait till I fix the config
[19:45] <techsurvivor> i can compile myself, if I just need to change it in menuconfig
[19:45] <friggle> techsurvivor: just grab bootc's .deb?
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, How many do you have if you can sell two!!???
[19:45] <aaa801> quite a few :D
[19:45] <techsurvivor> i'm working on my own driver stuff, I need to figure this stuff out "from scratch" heh
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, how? (or why?)
[19:45] <aaa801> i put in a few preorders
[19:46] <aaa801> but now im short on moneys
[19:46] <aaa801> xD
[19:46] <techsurvivor> i just started messing around with a usb driver for a missle launcher to get it to work with my pi :)
[19:46] <techsurvivor> (foam missles)
[19:46] <friggle> techsurvivor: thanks for the clarification ;)
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> techsurvivor, one thing I've noticed with the spi driver - it enabled gpios 7 & 8 as outputs and sets them high - not what I want for some projects... I've had to blacklist the modules on my systems so they're not auto-loaded at boot time.
[19:47] <friggle> yeah they're blacklist by default on the current foundation raspbian image
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> and I've just found a serious bug with the PiFace module - it doesn't fit when the Pi is in a SKPang case )-:
[19:47] <aaa801> Fix it by buying extra pi's :D
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[19:48] <gordonDrogon> friggle, ah ok. I have my original rasbian image, so don't have some of these nicities I guess.
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, well, tempted though I am, I think I have enough with 3 already...
[19:49] <reider59> "Don`t ever press the red button".....missile launcher? ;-)
[19:49] <oznt> i go crazy, the author MrEngman is using the chip as I am, and I still can't connect to my own wlan - just to the neighbour's wlan...
[19:49] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: doet <3
[19:50] <oznt> can someone enlighten me what is wrong with me?
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> oznt, is it possible you have the Ethernet port already configured and it's on the same LAN?
[19:50] <reider59> If you post in that forum and give him full details he will suss it out quite quickly
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[19:51] <oznt> gordonDrogon, yes
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[19:52] <oznt> gordonDrogon, could that be my problem? but I also could not connect when the LAN was disconnected
[19:52] <gordonDrogon> oznt, I'd get screen & keybaord on it if possible and do it without the Ethernet - to start with at least...
[19:53] <reider59> Wicd could be throwing you off the scent too
[19:53] <oznt> gordonDrogon, i have a screen and keyboard attached
[19:54] <oznt> reider59, i removed wicd and started from zero
[19:54] <oznt> still no success
[19:54] <reider59> okies, best way
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[19:56] <stealth``> oznt: could it be related to the encryption type?
[19:56] <techsurvivor> anyway before my internet died I was asking if you have to turn on the menuconfig option for SPI and I2C :) ?
[19:58] <oznt> stealth, yeah maybe, my neighbour has wpa2 and i have wpa
[19:59] <oznt> a question about /etc/network/interfaces : in the line wpa-psk "PASSWORD" my password should be typed as plain password or as the output from wpa_supplicant command?
[20:01] <reider59> Did the script ask you the SSID and password when you installed it?
[20:02] <pypi> oznt, one other consideration...if your ethernet is configured as static, and you disconnect the cable, it'll still cause problems, unless you actually take the interface down
[20:02] <oznt> reider59, yes
[20:02] <pypi> oznt, i.e. ifconfig eth0 down
[20:02] <oznt> pypi, my ethernet is dhcp configured
[20:02] <pypi> oznt, ok
[20:02] <reider59> Filling that in then should have been all you needed
[20:03] <oznt> buah! it works!
[20:04] <oznt> how silly ... i always had that wpa-supplicant file
[20:04] <oznt> the script just ran got an IP over the WLAN and rebooted my pi
[20:05] <oznt> i am curious to see if i get IP address after the reboot
[20:05] <reider59> and MrEngman doesn`t use wpa-supplicant
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> been away for a bit, but I see you have success!
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> techsurvivor, just check /lib/modules and see if it's there, or zgrep /proc/config.gz for the module name..
[20:08] <techsurvivor> is it *spi* something ?
[20:08] <techsurvivor> thanks, btw
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> techsurvivor, I'm using bootc's 3.2.23 kernel and I compiled it myself with those drivers as modules.
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi0: zfgrep CONFIG_SPI_BCM2708 /proc/config.gz
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> CONFIG_SPI_BCM2708=m
[20:10] <oznt> reider59, so should i remove wpasupplicant?
[20:10] <oznt> #!S" i hate realtek everytime i fall with their crap adapter
[20:10] <techsurvivor> thanks gordonDrogon
[20:10] <oznt> i am getting tons of errors at boot time and the device won't get an ip address
[20:11] <reider59> All I can say is I recall reading a post where he said he wasn`t sure what to do because he personally doesn`t use wpa-supplicant
[20:11] <reider59> Best bet is read through the thread then post there
[20:12] <deez79> ls -la
[20:13] <reider59> I don`t use it either, I just run the script, answer which SSID and password, only plug in the adaptor when it tells me to and nine times out of ten it still doesn`t work. Reboot and it starts working from then or sometimes when I change from DHCP addressing to Static addressing. It varies with each script and Distro, but almost always works then.
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. plugging in PiFace board caused my pi to reboot. Maybe I shouldn't do these things wihile it's powered up anyway.
[20:15] <reider59> I plug mine direct into the Pi USB port too. If I use it in a USB Hub is just will not work, not in the hubs I have anyway.
[20:15] <reider59> * it
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[20:19] <oznt> reider59, did you really mean that 9 times out of 10 it does not work?
[20:19] <reider59> I just pretended to pick a few bits of the dogs dinner up and eat it. She watched me but still not eating it. not daft are they lol
[20:20] <oznt> reider59, this is really poor than
[20:21] <reider59> He said it flashes blue and starts working there and then. the point is for me it rarely starts until I reboot, that`s all, it still begins to work. In other words sometimes you have to try things to see if they work, not just take it as read
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[20:22] <reider59> Mine flashed blue then turned off. After a reboot it`s worked perfectly ever since. the other thing he says is to take the ethernet cable out as soon as the adaptor starts flashing, I can guarantee that messes mine up but is OK after a reboot
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[20:23] <Spiffy> My IRC client tries to connect to this channel exactly at the same time as it auths with nickserv - meaning, I don't login until a microsecond after I am denied access ??? :/
[20:24] <oznt> who's "he"? MrEngman?
[20:24] <reider59> needs a 10 sec pause
[20:24] <reider59> yes
[20:24] <reider59> What IRC Client is it?
[20:24] <plugwash> Spiffy, freenode allows you to log in to nickserv by passing the password as a "server password"
[20:24] <plugwash> which should avoid that problem
[20:24] <Spiffy> Hmm ??? I did not know that
[20:25] <reider59> It`s only a recent change
[20:25] <Spiffy> Going to try that now ...
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[20:25] <reider59> since 9th July
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[20:25] <stefanBA> Hi all!
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[20:25] <Spiffy> I think, that worked
[20:26] <Spiffy> Awesome! Thanks plugwash
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> right. now to write wiringPiFace.
[20:31] <reider59> << Planning what wires to go where on the breadboard. Got a 26 pin IDC adaptor one end and pared off the other ends. Checked with meter and AOK. Tinned the ends of the wires and prepared green, orange, blue, red, black and lilac pins to solder on to match the schematic.
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[20:32] <reider59> The white ones will be unconnected
[20:35] <oznt> finally, IP address after reboot
[20:36] <oznt> i had to reflush my sd card, and run the script again! now i have a working rpi, and i can enjoy a social weekend
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Loaded the SPI driver but not seeing the /dev/ entries - anyone used them?
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[20:39] <aaa801> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=12032
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[20:40] <reider59> Nice one, well done
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[20:43] <gordonDrogon> Doh! # CONFIG_SPI_SPIDEV is not set
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> a quick compile & modprobe later and: root@pi2:/lib/modules# ls -l /dev/spi*
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> crw------T 1 root root 153, 0 Jul 21 19:44 /dev/spidev0.0
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> crw------T 1 root root 153, 1 Jul 21 19:44 /dev/spidev0.1
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> hurrah.
[20:47] <habstinat> I have Arch Linux on my Pi. When I try to do things like browse webpages in elinks there are tons of weird characters with accents where they definitely are not supposed to be. I'm pretty sure it's because of some font problem I've been having. I'm using the system terminals, without X. What can I do to fix it?
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> check your locale - however you do that in Arch...
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[20:50] <GabrialDestruir> So my second Pi is finally on the way.
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[21:05] <oznt> i just tried upgrading my system and i get an error from the upgrade of bash
[21:06] <oznt> are more people seeing that maybe?
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> what system and how did you upgradE?
[21:08] <oznt> the latest raspian image
[21:08] <oznt> with aptitue upgrade
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> not seen that problem, but I started with a very early raspbian and ugprade every few days.
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> doing one now...
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> not sure I've seen bash being upgraded for a while though.
[21:12] <stefanBA> oznt: did you do "aptitude update" first?
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> Hm. having to work out the code for the PiFace from the circuit diagram. Nothing like a lack of documentation for a project! :)
[21:13] <oznt> stefanBA, ofcourse
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[21:13] <stefanBA> oznt: okay, I just asked because it happened to me that I forgot ;-)
[21:14] <oznt> stefanBA, :-) happens
[21:14] <oznt> raspberrypi is cool, but the cpu is SLOW
[21:14] <oznt> i am not sure i am patient enough
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[21:16] <oznt> that is weired choice, the people who made raspian image don't include the debian-archive-keyring
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[21:21] <Berry_HK> hej there
[21:22] <Berry_HK> just ordered a Raspberry Pi and i am excited already
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[21:23] <oznt> Berry_HK, welcome on board :-)
[21:23] <Berry_HK> i am looking forward to build this into a Commodore C64 case
[21:23] <Berry_HK> it has been done before
[21:23] <Berry_HK> but i will keep the case as clean as possible unlike the VIC314
[21:24] <oznt> can someone look into these upgrade errors ? http://paste.debian.net/180130/
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[21:24] <tnovelli> oznt: yeah, I hear it's slow. I'm gonna try some 'baremetal' and lightweight OS stuff.
[21:25] <tnovelli> as soon as I have all the hardware, any day now
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[21:26] <oznt> darn.. now i have wireless working but it seems raspian is totally broken. can someone please look at the upgrade errors please?
[21:26] <GabrialDestruir> a C64 emulator on the Pi? >.>
[21:26] <GabrialDestruir> Now there's an idea... lol
[21:28] <buZz> cool, first dutch mirror on http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianMirrors ;)
[21:28] <SgrA> Can I power the RPi by applying 5V potential across TP1 and TP2?
[21:29] <rabbidrabbit> SgrA: You could use the gpio pins.
[21:30] <SgrA> Read about that -- do I have to worry if I have a good quality charger?
[21:31] <rabbidrabbit> I'd always use power it through micro usb unless you really can't.
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[21:34] <oznt> is raspian armel ? or armh ?
[21:35] <Cheery> would there be some way to improve web browsing experience on raspi?
[21:35] <Cheery> straight away
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[21:36] <longbyte1> Hi
[21:36] <longbyte1> Well, I did an fsck on my old inspiron 6000 laptop
[21:36] <longbyte1> found hundreds, maybe thousands of errors
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[21:37] <longbyte1> I had to just hold the enter key all the way during the fsck
[21:37] <longbyte1> because there were SO MANY ERRORS
[21:37] <longbyte1> D:
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[21:38] <longbyte1> And now my hdd is completely unreliable
[21:38] <longbyte1> It kind of corrupts itself spontaneously
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[21:38] <longbyte1> And the console spouts out random fs errors and it then does a glorious ext4 error... and then a hang
[21:39] <longbyte1> And then I restart comp... you wait a little more on POST, and guess what?
[21:39] <longbyte1> no harddrive found
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[21:39] <longbyte1> Restart a few times, works fine now
[21:40] <longbyte1> so I'm like, whatttt
[21:40] <longbyte1> And now I'm doing a hdd verify test.
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[21:41] <longbyte1> To see if I can salvage everything and format.
[21:41] <longbyte1> It's kind of like taking everything, setting some time bombs, AND RUN
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[21:42] <longbyte1> So if the tests succeed, I reformat the (whole?) drive
[21:42] <Berry_HK> salvage and replace
[21:42] <Berry_HK> that what i would do
[21:42] <MarquessDeBonBon> Serious question - can someone suggest some interesting stuff one could do with a Raspberry Pi.
[21:42] <longbyte1> If they don't, I buy an ssd
[21:42] <MarquessDeBonBon> Was thinking of buying one.
[21:43] <longbyte1> Well, you could use it for doing headless computing, running build scripts, apache www server
[21:43] <longbyte1> pxe server, minecraft server (might not work well)
[21:44] <longbyte1> drive testing, benchmarking, overnight rendering, cluster computing
[21:44] <longbyte1> lots of stuff
[21:44] <longbyte1> laptop alternative, remote desktop, showing off to friends
[21:45] <Leestons> hardware or software MarquessDeBonBon?
[21:45] <MarquessDeBonBon> Either. TBH I can do all that with regular hardware...
[21:45] <MarquessDeBonBon> Something unique and novel, I want.
[21:45] <Leestons> Could make use of the GPIO pins
[21:46] <MarquessDeBonBon> Does anybody sell nice cases for it?
[21:46] <longbyte1> Hardware modding, overclocking, making robots,
[21:46] <Leestons> Quite a few cases out their, all depends on your taste really.
[21:46] <longbyte1> look in ebay
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[21:46] <Leestons> there*
[21:46] <MarquessDeBonBon> Hmm.
[21:47] <stefanBA> oznt: raspian seems to be armhf
[21:47] <longbyte1> You know, maybe I should make a list of things to do with the rpi. IN the rpi.
[21:47] <oznt> well, it seems upgrading it totally broke it ..
[21:48] <Leestons> That sounds like a good idea longbyte, could inspire some people.
[21:48] <longbyte1> well no one steal the idea please
[21:48] <stefanBA> oznt: the output of "grep Architecture /var/lib/dpkg/status | sort | uniq" tell you the arch
[21:48] <longbyte1> be back in an hour
[21:48] <tnovelli> yeah, raspian is armhf, uses floating point for moar speed
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[21:48] <longbyte1> http://typewith.me/p/rpitodo
[21:48] <longbyte1> there, type away a list
[21:49] <longbyte1> be back in an hour
[21:49] <longbyte1> okay?
[21:49] <longbyte1> bye
[21:49] <Niff> Got everything all set up, the slightly higher voltage charger works fine, but then it hits me: the wifi card I planned to use was probably built before wpa was created and all was lost :P
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[21:51] <Leestons> I need to get myself a working wifi adapter, using an ethernet cable isn't convenient.
[21:53] <lempiainen> What wifi adapter do you guys recommend?
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[21:54] <Berry_HK> can you have on each USB port a hub?
[21:54] <Berry_HK> (just a n00b q)
[21:54] <plugwash> in principle yes
[21:54] <Berry_HK> thats cool
[21:54] <plugwash> in practice some hubs seem to be ok while others seem to cause problems
[21:54] <Leestons> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Wifi_Adapters
[21:54] <Leestons> that might help you lempiainen
[21:55] <plugwash> USB on the Pi seems a bit flaky in general
[21:55] <lempiainen> Leestons: thanks man
[21:55] <Berry_HK> i will make a little sketch for my hardware layout
[21:55] <plugwash> and remember the ethernet and all USB devices you attatch end up going down a single USB connection to the SOC
[21:55] <Berry_HK> enough for VICE Commodore 64 emulation
[21:56] <Berry_HK> i would say
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[22:12] <oznt> found it! Raspian != DEBIAN ! you should not mix debian and raspian
[22:12] <oznt> that it DANGEROUS
[22:14] <Leestons> How did you even do that?
[22:15] <plugwash> most likely be adding a debian source to his sources.list and then ignoring the signature warning
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[22:16] <plugwash> which is a very easy way to end up with binaries installed that won't run on a Pi
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[22:21] <stefanBA> Does anybody know of an attempt to add the RT_PREEMPT kernel patch to a RasPi kernel?
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[22:29] <friggle> stefanBA: I haven't heard of one
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[22:30] <stefanBA> the patch applied fine, but when running it, BUGs occur
[22:30] <stefanBA> I managed to fix one and get around two others, so it's booting now
[22:30] <stefanBA> I have USB and ethernet depending on timing
[22:30] <friggle> stefanBA: I'd be very surprised if the dwc_otg worked with it out of the box. Might be worth seeing what you can get working with the usb stack disabled
[22:31] <friggle> given that synopsys won't even claim their driver is preemtible safe :) (seems ok in practice...or at least not worse than before)
[22:31] <stefanBA> after fixing some double spinlocking, I can get it to boot sometimes
[22:31] <stefanBA> however, I wont' live long...
[22:31] <stefanBA> it
[22:32] <stefanBA> right now I even got ethernet up, but it lasted only for 350 seconds ;-)
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[22:38] <msound> if i want to compile the kernel and bring the board up the hard way (as against zapping an image onto the SD card), where do i begin?
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[22:39] <msound> correction, i meant cross-compile
[22:40] <stefanBA> msound, I cross-compiled 3.2.23+ yesterday
[22:41] <msound> stefanBA, cool... can you point me to a link or someplace where i can start?
[22:41] <stefanBA> is it okay to post a few commands here?
[22:41] <msound> sure
[22:41] <stefanBA> I used a lot of links, which I do not remember
[22:41] <stefanBA> I wrote a text file on my Desktop with all steps
[22:41] <stefanBA> 1) get the source
[22:41] <stefanBA> git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux.git
[22:41] <stefanBA> that's the 3.1.9 kernel
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[22:42] <msound> so that kernel has been ported i assume?
[22:42] <stefanBA> git clone https://github.com/bootc/linux.git # that's 3.2.23+
[22:42] <msound> ok
[22:42] <stefanBA> yaeh, both kernels are raspi-ported
[22:42] <stefanBA> next is a working config
[22:43] <stefanBA> I had problems finding one for 3.2.23
[22:43] <stefanBA> I finally extracted it manually from http://apt.bootc.net/debian/pool/main/l/linux-source-3.2.23-rpi1+/linux-image-3.2.23-rpi1+_1_armel.deb
[22:43] <stefanBA> (I know, that's a little bit cheating)
[22:44] <stefanBA> then I ran those commands to build the kernel:
[22:44] <stefanBA> make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi- silentoldconfig
[22:44] <stefanBA> make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-
[22:44] <stefanBA> make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi- modules
[22:44] <msound> isnt there a ./configure before make?
[22:44] <stefanBA> no, the kernel does not use autocanf
[22:44] <stefanBA> autoconf
[22:45] <stefanBA> to run this, you need a suitable cross-compiler installed on your PC
[22:45] <msound> so what you manually extracted from the .deb is a config file?
[22:45] <stefanBA> yeah, that's the kernel config file
[22:45] <msound> alright
[22:45] <stefanBA> it conatins all the settings of what to build and to how to configure it
[22:46] <stefanBA> it has to be in the file ".config" in the root folder of the kernel source
[22:46] <msound> ok
[22:46] <stefanBA> in the deb-package it is named "/boot/config-3.2.23+" (or very similar)
[22:47] <stefanBA> do you already have a cross-compiler installed?
[22:47] <msound> ok, i will dig around
[22:47] <msound> no cross compiler yet
[22:47] <msound> i have xubuntu on my laptop
[22:47] <stefanBA> what distribution do you use on the PC?
[22:47] <stefanBA> ah
[22:47] <msound> 12.04 (if it matters)
[22:48] <stefanBA> I got mine from "deb http://www.emdebian.org/debian/ squeeze main"
[22:48] <msound> im guessing some kind of gcc-arm package?
[22:48] <stefanBA> dut that's Debian, not Ubuntu
[22:48] <msound> got it
[22:48] <msound> i will figure it out
[22:49] <stefanBA> packages are: binutils-arm-linux-gnueabi cpp-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi gcc-4.4-arm-linux-gnueabi ...
[22:49] <stefanBA> I guess they are named very similar for ubuntu
[22:49] <msound> i can search in packages.ubuntu.com... i will figure it out
[22:49] <stefanBA> good, have fun :-)
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[22:50] <msound> and once you've compiled, you partition the SD card and copy the files?
[22:50] <stefanBA> the kernel is not the only stuff needed
[22:50] <stefanBA> you need one partition (vfat) which will become /boot
[22:50] <msound> i was afraid so :(
[22:51] <stefanBA> take a look at an image to see what files go there
[22:51] <msound> ok
[22:51] <msound> what else do i have to cross-compile other than the kernel?
[22:51] <msound> binutils?
[22:51] <stefanBA> depending on your firmware, you might also need a script to convert the built kernel (called boot/arch/arm/Image) to kernel.img for the boot partition
[22:52] <msound> ok
[22:52] <oznt> does someone here have experience with Asus usb-bt211 bluetooth dongle on the rpi?
[22:52] <stefanBA> yeah, binutils are needed, too - see the package list I posted above
[22:52] <msound> ah, ok
[22:53] <msound> thanks so much StefanBA!
[22:53] <stefanBA> I have two more links for you...
[22:53] <stefanBA> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/e1c7f9ec1f9732a5331f63e489ef7ab769ca7e6f/README.md
[22:53] <stefanBA> this is for getting the other files (firmware) for the boot part
[22:53] <msound> ok
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[22:55] <stefanBA> can't find the other link right now: search for rasberry pi and mkimage and imagetool-uncompressed.py
[22:55] <msound> will do
[22:57] <msound> thanks much
[22:58] <stefanBA> you are welcome
[23:02] <Kingpin13> Hm, has anyone else here installed apache2? Because I have, but I can't for the life of me find httpd.conf :/
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[23:03] <msound> Kingpin13, i am going to take a wild guess here... debian uses /etc/apache2/apache.conf and not httpd.conf
[23:03] <msound> im guessing same goes for raspi too
[23:04] <KP13> Hm, but you can just use that in exactly the same way as you would httpd.conf?
[23:04] <Leestons> Raspian is based on ebian so
[23:04] <msound> of course
[23:04] <Leestons> debian so i'd guess so
[23:04] <KP13> Ah, okay, I'll try that out. Thanks.
[23:04] <Leestons> stupid touch typing
[23:05] <msound> if you want to use <virtualserver *:80> you are better off doing it in /etc/apache2/sites-available/
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[23:08] <dirty_d> excellent
[23:09] <dirty_d> user mode gpio interrupts are working!
[23:09] <dirty_d> finally
[23:10] <Kingpin13> msound, yes, that worked. Tvm :)
[23:10] <msound> you're welcome Kingpin13
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[23:28] <longbyte1> hey
[23:29] <longbyte1> not funny guys
[23:29] <longbyte1> >.<
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[23:35] <Leestons> ?
[23:35] <longbyte1> who just connected?
[23:35] * dirty_d (~andrew@c-76-118-112-146.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[23:35] <longbyte1> It's not funny
[23:36] <reider59> ???
[23:36] <rabbidrabbit> ???????
[23:36] <reider59> ?
[23:36] <longbyte1> Who just entered http://typewith.me/p/rpitodo
[23:36] <longbyte1> His name is **** lover
[23:37] <longbyte1> And I'm doing serious stuff here
[23:37] <longbyte1> ***** smoker now he's called
[23:37] <longbyte1> Okay seriously
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[23:38] <reider59> << starts n exits turned off
[23:39] <longbyte1> Well
[23:40] <IT_Sean> well?
[23:40] <reider59> water?
[23:41] <Leestons> I prefer coffee
[23:41] <reider59> coffee well?
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[23:42] <IT_Sean> I dont think there is such a thing as a coffee well
[23:42] <IT_Sean> We all know that coffee doesn't come from wells. It comes from the grocery store.
[23:42] <reider59> our grocery store is called wells ;-)
[23:44] <IT_Sean> Where?
[23:44] <reider59> there, behind the stair
[23:44] <longbyte1> who just blanked my whole page?
[23:44] <longbyte1> I was doing WELL
[23:45] <reider59> you on drugs?
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[23:46] <rabbidrabbit> longbyte1: Loved the page. Shame about the vandalism. I think a wiki might be better.
[23:46] <rabbidrabbit> Or something with some kind of version control
[23:46] <Leestons> Yeah a wiki would be good
[23:47] <Leestons> or even a forum topic
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[23:53] <longbyte1> Wiki?
[23:53] <longbyte1> You mean adding a page on elinux.org?
[23:54] <rabbidrabbit> for example. Don#t know how easy it is.
[23:54] <rabbidrabbit> But there will be much less trolling.
[23:55] <Leestons> It's fairly easy to do
[23:55] <Leestons> and all edits are logged as far as I know.
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