#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-07-23

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[0:00] <x29a> j0n45: thats a lowlevel 1:1 image then, if you want to backup contents, check out rsync and a compression of your choice
[0:00] <j0n45> nope
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[0:00] <x29a> chuck testa?
[0:01] <j0n45> i really want an img file to restore to the card whenever i want
[0:01] <j0n45> or to redistribute
[0:01] <x29a> dd
[0:01] <buZz> dd if=/dev/sdcard of=backupfile
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[0:01] <dogmatic69> PhotoJim: the device is line 241 http://paste.debian.net/180246
[0:01] <buZz> maybe add a bs=1M to take big blocks, might be faster
[0:02] <dogmatic69> is that any good?
[0:02] <buZz> then later you can restore with;
[0:02] <zgreg> I really wonder: did anyone here not have issues with USB (or networking, since it's attached over USB)
[0:02] <buZz> dd if=backupfile of=/dev/sdcard
[0:02] <x29a> buZz: you forgot .img extension
[0:02] <zgreg> referring to this thread: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12097
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[0:03] <PhotoJim> dogmatic69: try sudo modprobe ath9k_htc and see if it fires up.
[0:03] <PhotoJim> dogmatic69: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc
[0:03] <PhotoJim> you might need to get non-free firmware. that page describes what to do.
[0:03] <PhotoJim> should work with raspbian as well as Debian
[0:04] <dogmatic69> the sudo modprob did "nothing"
[0:04] <x29a> zgreg: i noticed weird behavior where the device would be not reachable via wired net after a couple of hours doing nothing
[0:04] <dogmatic69> no output (like errors) or anything
[0:04] <PhotoJim> dogmatic69: you might need that firmware before you can use it
[0:04] <Stoob> is anyone else finding raspbmc buggy as hell (as in the automated installer refuses to actually complete)
[0:04] <dogmatic69> cool
[0:04] <PhotoJim> dogmatic69: you might not get any output. type "dmesg" and see if anything is at the end that looks like it's your WiFi NIC.
[0:05] <dogmatic69> PhotoJim: nothing
[0:05] <dogmatic69> just eth0 in there
[0:05] <PhotoJim> dogmatic69: you probably need to install that firmware then. just a guess.
[0:05] <Stoob> "mv cannot stat xbmc-rbp-20120620.tar.gz" then it fails miserably
[0:05] <dogmatic69> cool, will give that a try.
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[0:06] <PhotoJim> dogmatic69: if you got no error, that means the module exists. you don't need to rebuild the kernel.
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[0:07] <dogmatic69> PhotoJim: before I go installing stuff, how about this one? line 241 again http://paste.debian.net/180248
[0:07] <dogmatic69> (this is an older dongle)
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[0:08] <PhotoJim> dogmatic69: same driver, it appears. same firmware. both Atheros chipsets.
[0:08] <PhotoJim> dogmatic69: as a bonus, if you get one working, either should work.
[0:09] <dogmatic69> ha, cool
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[0:09] <dogmatic69> two different "brands" though. will try the first as that is faster afaik
[0:10] <PhotoJim> dogmatic69: there are only so many network chipsets. companies buy them, use them and rebrand them.
[0:10] <dogmatic69> ye
[0:10] <PhotoJim> dogmatic69: you'll run into that with optical media too. Memorex doesn't make CD-Rs and DVD+Rs, e.g. they sell someone else's. :)
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[0:11] <Stoob> guess i'll try with a different sd card :|
[0:11] <x29a> Stoob: does "dmesg" report i/o problems?
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[0:12] <x29a> maybe its full and the download is broken?
[0:12] <Stoob> x29a: no, and nah, i was trying a 16GB card
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[0:12] <Stoob> did the raspbmc installer from windows, should only use like 60meg for that, then plugged it into my raspi and waited for the network update, supposedly completes successfully but then i get sd card mounting errors on boot and it cyclerestarts xbmc
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[0:13] <Stoob> so now im trying with a 2gb card
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[0:14] <Stoob> just to see
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[0:14] <Stoob> and if it works maybe ican just copy the data on over to the 16gb
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[0:15] <Stoob> nope, that one failed even harder. jeez.
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[0:16] <x29a> did you check the wiki for supported cards?
[0:16] <x29a> the rpi can be a bit picky, i heard
[0:16] <Stoob> I can run raspbian fine on either card
[0:16] <Stoob> and both are on the wiki as supported
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[0:17] <Ionic`> hmmm
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[0:18] <Stoob> yeah, 16g fails at "mounting local filesystems" but successfully mounts swap after that and then repeatedly tries to boot xbmc. Can't get it to let me login
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[0:20] <Stoob> is there any way to manually install with just windows and the raspi?
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[0:21] <Stoob> raspbmc overclocks ur pi by default? jeez :|
[0:22] <mikma> wait, what
[0:22] <Stoob> the config.txt sets the cpu to 800mhz, i thought standard was 700
[0:22] <mikma> uh oh
[0:22] <mikma> that's how they got it to run "smoother"
[0:23] <Netham45> lol
[0:23] <Netham45> I saw a config earlier that was at 1GHz
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[0:24] <x29a> scumbag-dev: tell people to have enabled hardware floating point operation and things should work more smoothly. actually changed one configfile to 1ghz. ???.
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[0:24] <mikma> hehe
[0:26] <zgreg> rumor has it the BCM2836 is specced for 800 MHz
[0:26] <zgreg> err, BCM2835
[0:26] <buZz> i saw it runs pretty stable at higher speeds
[0:27] <zgreg> i.e. 800 MHz should always work stable
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[0:28] <zgreg> and it was only set to 700 MHz during development to have a bit of safety margin
[0:30] <mikma> well, what i've read only undervolting will remove warranty
[0:30] <Stoob> wellll when the thing wont install properly I'd prefer to have it set stock to have the minimumn number of failure points
[0:30] <Stoob> wait what
[0:30] <Stoob> undervolting?
[0:30] <Stoob> why would that remove warranty
[0:30] <Stoob> I could see overvolting but not under
[0:30] <mikma> that's what they said
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[0:31] <mikma> oh sorry, misread
[0:31] <mikma> it's overvolting - http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1565
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[0:33] <mikma> A more modest overlclock without the overvoltage (e.g just use arm_freq=850) may work for you without blowing the "warranty" bit, and should get somewhere near the top speed.
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[0:42] <Stoob> yeah i virtually never mess with the voltage on any of my systems
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[0:42] <Stoob> too much to worry about
[0:43] <zgreg> realistically, it's a very safe thing to do on the pi
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[0:54] <Stoob> is there such a thing as a raspberry pi emulator
[0:54] <Stoob> aka armv6 emu whatever
[0:55] <Stoob> looks like qemu may work
[0:57] <plugwash> qemu can emulate armv6 though you need a somewhat weird kernel if you want full armv6
[0:57] <plugwash> since afaict the only way to get armv6 in qemu is to emulate hardware that doesn't really exist
[0:58] <plugwash> also bear in mind that qemu DOES NOT emulate a Pi, it can emulate a system with the same processor and the same ammount of ram but the similarities basically end there.
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[0:58] <Stoob> yeahh
[0:58] <Stoob> i feel dat
[0:59] <Stoob> just like virtualbox doesn't emulate an alienware laptop, it's just an x86 system
[1:00] <ReggieUK> not sure that's quite teh same
[1:00] <ReggieUK> as virtualbox will emulate some extra stuff
[1:00] <phire> a random bunch of components, mostly from the 90s
[1:01] <Stoob> ehh idk, the GPU wont quite be real though I think you can do some passthru tricks for accel, that sort of thing
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[1:22] <dogmatic69> so close. got something showing in wlan0 and can see the net on iwlist scan
[1:23] <dogmatic69> *sometimes*
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[1:50] <Ionic`> I'm gonna kill this board :|
[1:50] <Ionic`> the only thing that it was supposed to do is meh
[1:51] <Ionic`> audio stuff is really weird, it seems
[1:51] <ziltro> meth?
[1:52] <Ionic`> not even once
[1:53] <Ionic`> just not getting why I see those buffer underruns
[1:54] <zgreg> what are you trying to do?
[1:54] <Ionic`> basically just playing some MP3/AAC stream
[1:54] <Ionic`> or so I thought
[1:54] <zgreg> the ALSA driver is quite buggy
[1:54] <megatog615> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5898&sid=7a142ca1ac8b04b0b92edab4c0675dda&p=130818#p130818
[1:54] <Ionic`> I guess I noticed that...
[1:54] <megatog615> what is this voodoo?
[1:55] <zgreg> in some applications, ALSA's OSS emulation worked better for me
[1:55] <zgreg> pulseaudio also works well
[1:55] <Ionic`> urgh... pulseaudio..
[1:55] <Ionic`> this stuff certainly won't land on my system
[1:55] <zgreg> why?
[1:55] <Ionic`> I'd like to use OSS but I can't compile it
[1:56] <zgreg> you don't need to compile anything
[1:56] <ziltro> Pulseaudio isn't quite as aweful as it used to be
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[1:56] <Ionic`> yes I do
[1:56] <zgreg> just load the snd-pcm-oss module
[1:56] <Ionic`> or how else would I get OSS? :p
[1:56] <Ionic`> this is ALSA
[1:56] <Ionic`> I'm talking about OSS
[1:56] <zgreg> there's no native OSS support available
[1:56] <Ionic`> I don't want some ALSA-OSS emulation, I want OSS
[1:57] <Ionic`> and ditch ALSA alltogether
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[1:57] <Ionic`> you don't say?!
[1:57] <zgreg> I doubt OSS4 even works on ARM
[1:57] <Ionic`> hence "[01:53:58] ( +Ionic` ) I'd like to use OSS but I can't compile it"
[1:57] <zgreg> well, as I said, the OSS emulation worked well for me, better than "native" ALSA
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[1:57] <zgreg> but really, just use PA
[1:57] <zgreg> that's the best supported option
[1:58] <Ionic`> never
[1:58] <Ionic`> I'd rather fix OSS
[1:59] <x29a> Ionic`: you dont like poettering?
[1:59] <zgreg> I don't like poettering either :)
[1:59] <Ionic`> x29a: "don't like" is not exactly strong enough
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[1:59] <zgreg> Ionic`: good luck writing an OSS driver ;)
[1:59] <Ionic`> I have a profound hatred
[1:59] <x29a> lol, i love when i get people started on that topic
[1:59] <Ionic`> zgreg: if I even need one
[1:59] <zgreg> you do
[2:00] <ziltro> It would need a driver, because it talks to the PWM pins, right?
[2:00] <Ionic`> well as far as I have seen this is some USB card
[2:00] <zgreg> this is not a PC
[2:00] <zgreg> Ionic`: no
[2:00] <Ionic`> hmmm
[2:00] <zgreg> it's a custom hardware/software soundcard
[2:00] <ziltro> But if OSS4 has no ARM support that might be a difficult bit.
[2:01] <zgreg> it talks to the "GPU" part via the vchiq system
[2:02] <Ionic`> hrum... ok
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[2:57] <x29a> kiu: oh hai
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[2:59] <karlh626> Do most people connect their pi to a tv with hdmi or use adapters to connect to monitor with VGA or DVI? I am either using my TV or remoting in via SSH when I don't have access to a TV with HDMI. I would like to find a cheep option which allows me to connect to a monitor with DVI or VGA... any ideas?
[3:00] <buZz> a cable?
[3:00] <buZz> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/hdmi-to-dvi-24-1-cable-3-meter-1501?item=4
[3:00] <buZz> pretty cheap
[3:01] <buZz> VGA is hard, because you have to convert the digital signal into an analog one first
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[3:01] <karlh626> buZz: I have seen cables which go from DVI to VGA but not for going from HDMI to VGA without an expensive adapter.
[3:01] <karlh626> buZz: oh ok that makes sense now.
[3:02] <buZz> yeah its a different signal
[3:02] <x29a> karlh626: dvi has analogue and digital components
[3:02] <buZz> there are different types of DVI
[3:02] <x29a> some at least
[3:02] <buZz> DVI-A is analog only
[3:02] <buZz> DVI-I (i think) is both analog and digital
[3:02] <buZz> and DVI-D is digital only
[3:02] <IT_Sean> And the DVI-VGA only work on VGA connectors that feature the extra analog output pins. (DVI-I as opposed to DVI-D)
[3:02] <buZz> i think there are 2 more versions
[3:02] <IT_Sean> Damn, buZz beat me to it
[3:03] <buZz> but cant remember them
[3:03] <buZz> IT_Sean: sry :)
[3:03] <karlh626> so the easiest/cheapest option would be to get a DVI monitor and use a cable adapter.
[3:03] <IT_Sean> s'all good
[3:03] <buZz> karlh626: yeah unless you already have a cable, then an adapter would be cheaper
[3:04] <buZz> like this http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dvi-d-to-hdmi-adapter-743?item=2
[3:04] <karlh626> ok - will check that link out.
[3:04] <buZz> cheaper version; http://www.dealextreme.com/p/gold-plated-hdmi-male-to-dvi-24-1-female-adapter-32388?item=14
[3:05] <karlh626> cool - even better.
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[3:07] <buZz> hmm i should get me one of those cables aswell ..
[3:12] <Ionic`> hm
[3:12] <Ionic`> are there better working sound USB cards?
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[3:22] <dogmatic69> \o/ http://i.imgur.com/JJb5h.png
[3:22] <dogmatic69> cherokee webserver compiled from source ~1h05m
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[3:26] <mrdek11> Does anybody know if there's a way to link to libraries that weren't compiled with hard-float support on the official Raspbian image?
[3:27] <mrdek11> ldd can't find libspotify.so.12, lddconfig -v shows: libspotify.so.12 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libspotify.so.12
[3:27] <mrdek11> All other libraries have (libc6,hard-float) :(
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[3:32] <dogmatic69> mrdek11: maybe this will help? http://technoninja.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/cherokee-usrlocalsbincherokee-worker.html
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[3:34] <mrdek11> dogmatic69: Thanks. libspotify.so.12 is already in /usr/lib which is in the ldconfig path, do I need to add the file itself to the conf file?
[3:35] <dogmatic69> not to sure. I got the following:
[3:35] <dogmatic69> /usr/local/sbin/cherokee-worker: error while loading shared libraries: libcherokee-base.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[3:35] <dogmatic69> (critical) Couldn't find the version string: '/usr/local/sbin/cherokee-worker -i'
[3:35] <dogmatic69> and adding the path fixed it
[3:35] <dogmatic69> had to do sudo ldconfig after adding the path
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[3:37] <mrdek11> hmm my guess would be that libcherokee-base.so.0 is in /usr/lib/cherokee and that's why that fixed it. Sadly libspotify is already in the path ld looks in :/
[3:37] <mrdek11> I think it's a problem with the fact that it's not hard-float enabled
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[6:16] <Tobias|> How do you people trigger/run your blink IP scripts, assuming you use them?
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[6:20] <fivestones> Anyone around who can help me with getting wifi working?
[6:20] <fivestones> i'd sure appreciate it
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[7:18] <VanDyke> what up y'all
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[7:19] <VanDyke> is Newark really shipping immediately all raspberrypi orders?
[7:19] <VanDyke> they seemed to have 100 in stock today, ordered one
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[7:19] <sheppard> I got my order that I placed april 9th at the start of last week
[7:20] <VanDyke> sheppard, that's like, 12 weeks or something?
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[7:22] <sheppard> about that
[7:22] <sheppard> and my buddy who ordered at some point after me, got his a few days later
[7:23] <sheppard> so
[7:23] <sheppard> if I'm wanting to OC my pi
[7:23] <sheppard> is a 5V 1A psu enough? or should I hunt for something better
[7:24] <VanDyke> I think I'm gonna buy another 2 or 3 HP TouchPad power adapters
[7:24] <VanDyke> 5v 2A and it doesn't fuck up 2-3 outlets in a power strip
[7:24] <sheppard> haha
[7:24] <VanDyke> oops sorry about the language
[7:25] <sheppard> my eyes will forgive you, eventually
[7:25] <sheppard> I wonder what the power adapter for my transformer tf300 puts out
[7:26] <sheppard> supposedly apple adapters are also useful
[7:26] <sheppard> I'm just wondering if my chip doesn't like OC'ing at all, or if it's a power source issue
[7:26] <VanDyke> the apple adapters put out 1A
[7:26] <VanDyke> and it's tiny
[7:26] <VanDyke> haven't read much on Pi OC
[7:27] <VanDyke> having issues with it?
[7:27] <sheppard> yeah, fails to boot every time
[7:27] <sheppard> or locks up
[7:27] <sheppard> but I want just a SMIDGEN more gpu clock for watching 720p vids
[7:27] <VanDyke> oh man, I knew I should've jumped on it when HP sold the adapters for $5...
[7:28] <VanDyke> out of stock now, and it's at least $15 everywhere else
[7:28] <sheppard> bugger
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[7:28] <Tachyon`> hrfm
[7:28] <VanDyke> sheppard, I thought it'd play 1080p out of the box
[7:28] <SIFTU> VanDyke: I got some $4 cell phone adapters (1A)
[7:29] <Tachyon`> if the pi is supposed to top out at 9W
[7:29] <VanDyke> SIFTU, the apple adapters are pretty cheap and I've got several laying around
[7:29] <Tachyon`> shouldn't the supply be at least 1800mA?
[7:29] <sheppard> VanDyke: I don't know
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[7:30] <sheppard> maybe I do need a better power adapter if it can draw up to 9W total
[7:30] <VanDyke> Tachyon`, no
[7:30] <sheppard> gah, damn system running on 5v
[7:30] <VanDyke> that's assuming perfect conditions and a PFC of 1
[7:30] <Tachyon`> yesyes, whatever
[7:30] <Tachyon`> it should still be more than 1A
[7:31] <Tachyon`> 1.8 as you say, assuming perfection, 2 probably would give enough margin
[7:31] <sheppard> so, indisputably, if you wanto to use more power on the pi, more than 1A is needed for sure
[7:31] <Tachyon`> I think we're agreed on that
[7:31] <VanDyke> and yet I've read on the forums people using adapters with 2A rating and still having problems
[7:31] <Tachyon`> were they hanging USB devices off it?
[7:31] <VanDyke> yes
[7:31] <Tachyon`> they can be up to 500mA each
[7:32] <Tachyon`> if they're using 3G dongles or something
[7:32] <sheppard> I only have my lenovo wireless remote plugged in via usb
[7:32] <Tachyon`> then 2A probably won't cut it
[7:32] <sheppard> and ethernet
[7:32] <Tachyon`> the ethernet is on board, don't think they've made any As yet
[7:32] <Tachyon`> not sure they even will
[7:32] <Tachyon`> given how popular the B has been
[7:32] <sheppard> yeah
[7:32] <sheppard> at $35
[7:32] <sheppard> like.
[7:33] <Tachyon`> aye, I still need 16 of them
[7:33] <Tachyon`> well, 18 of them
[7:33] <Tachyon`> and now I can have them
[7:33] <sheppard> good god
[7:33] <Tachyon`> as they're accepting multiple orders
[7:33] <sheppard> for what good sir
[7:33] <Tachyon`> 16 for a small beowulf cluster (and I've heard all the arguments against it from people who don't even know why I want it before so don't bother)
[7:33] <VanDyke> what was the diff between A and B, again?
[7:33] <Tachyon`> one to make my own NAS
[7:34] <VanDyke> ethernet?
[7:34] <Tachyon`> one to connect to the TV for the obligatory media centre fiddling
[7:34] <sheppard> that's interesting
[7:34] <sheppard> yeah I'm not sure if mine is gonna cut it for media center
[7:34] <Tachyon`> ah, someone in here who isn't telling me I should be using GPUs
[7:34] <Tachyon`> I should have you stuffed
[7:34] <Xark> VanDyke: Originally A was to have 1/2 the RAM, but they changed their mind on that, so the only difference is no hub/ethernet chip (so no ethernet and only 1 USB port).
[7:34] <VanDyke> lol
[7:34] <Tachyon`> aye
[7:35] <VanDyke> Xark, thanks
[7:35] <sheppard> Tachyon`: what are you gonna run on the cluster?
[7:35] <Tachyon`> well, I've been wanting to have a play with NEAT/HyperNEAT without tying my big machines up
[7:35] <Tachyon`> or ending up with a whacking great electric bill
[7:35] <Tachyon`> and now I can -.o
[7:35] <VanDyke> that's a great way to play with clustering
[7:35] <sheppard> Tachyon`: Neat. I don't know what NEAT is, but sounds neat
[7:35] <Tachyon`> I've never tried any of it before but it's of interest, you know how these things are
[7:35] <VanDyke> negligible power usage and lots of nodes
[7:36] <Tachyon`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeuroEvolution_of_Augmented_Topologies
[7:36] <Tachyon`> ^^ NEAT
[7:37] <sheppard> woah
[7:37] <sheppard> neat
[7:37] <Tachyon`> HyperNEAT is the cluster enabled variant
[7:38] <sheppard> still not 100% sure if that's a cost effective approach
[7:39] <Tachyon`> think of the electric use though
[7:39] <sheppard> but still cool to make a 16 cluster pi usage
[7:39] <sheppard> err
[7:39] <Tachyon`> even a small miniwulf made out of regular stuff
[7:39] <Tachyon`> would use many times the power
[7:39] <Tachyon`> to do the same work
[7:39] <Tachyon`> er, microwulf sorry
[7:39] <sheppard> assuming it produces the same amount of work per watt
[7:40] <Tachyon`> the pi should produce more, heh
[7:40] <Tachyon`> much more
[7:40] <Tachyon`> ARM have always been way more efficient than x86
[7:40] <Tachyon`> and the pi is about as efficient as it gets by the looks of it, lol
[7:40] <sheppard> depending on the instructions
[7:40] <Tachyon`> speaking of that, I get 12+ hours on my pandora now on a single charge
[7:40] <sheppard> CISC vs RISC
[7:41] <Tachyon`> another ARM based system loosely based on teh beagleboard
[7:41] <Tachyon`> aye
[7:41] <Tachyon`> I'll have to do some testing at some point
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[7:43] <sheppard> i7 2600s is 65w tdp
[7:43] <Tachyon`> anyone know when we might see software support for the DSI displays via the internal port?
[7:43] <mikey_w> I have had a pandora on order since April of 2009. May get it shipped to me some day.
[7:43] <Tachyon`> ahh
[7:43] <sheppard> but add on mobo, psu loss, etc. blah
[7:44] <Tachyon`> I wisely waited for the first preorders to appear
[7:44] <Tachyon`> then paid the 100 quid extra on eba
[7:44] <Tachyon`> to get one immediately
[7:44] <Tachyon`> had it since last april ;p
[7:44] <sheppard> lol
[7:44] <Tachyon`> you may have seen my elite port for it
[7:44] <mikey_w> I won't pay their bribe.
[7:44] <Tachyon`> it wasn't openpandora
[7:44] <sheppard> mikey_w: I almost paid a bribe for my pi, next day it shipped
[7:44] <Tachyon`> it was a girl who got tired of waiting
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[7:44] <Tachyon`> and bought a caanoo instead
[7:44] <Tachyon`> so sold her pandora when it arrived on ebay
[7:44] <mikey_w> ok
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[7:45] <mikey_w> How do you like it?
[7:45] <sheppard> found a 1.2A 5v adapter >=\
[7:46] <Tachyon`> ahh
[7:46] <sheppard> ah, yay blackberry
[7:46] <Tachyon`> the hardware is nice
[7:46] <Tachyon`> the casing is utter shite
[7:46] <Tachyon`> oh, sorry, forgot the language rule in here -.-
[7:46] <mikey_w> lol
[7:47] <sheppard> 1.8A, heavy cable
[7:47] <Tachyon`> (again)
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[7:47] <Tachyon`> it's the only place on the internet I have to watch my language, I'm unused to it
[7:47] <sheppard> Tachyon`: I imagine assuming you don't go on in a long string of explitives, I doubt mods will care
[7:47] <Tachyon`> but yeah, it started cracking and now a hinge is broken so I can't use it
[7:48] <Tachyon`> I was called ona single word by a mod some time ago
[7:48] <mikey_w> You can get a new case for not too much.
[7:48] <Tachyon`> yes
[7:48] <Tachyon`> I was about to mention that
[7:48] <Tachyon`> there are new silver cases
[7:48] <Tachyon`> that don't suffer the old black case issues
[7:48] <mikey_w> yes
[7:48] <sheppard> I really need to find a case for my pi. it sitting naked worries me
[7:48] <Tachyon`> I will order one but I'm inclined to wait until he makes the 512/1GHz boards available for outright purchase
[7:49] <Tachyon`> there was a very nice looking rainbow case on the blog yesterdya
[7:49] <mikey_w> You might need to get a new display cable.
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[7:49] <Tachyon`> ED already replaced my cable
[7:49] <Tachyon`> got the PTOD some time ago
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[7:49] <Tachyon`> it took two months to get my pandora back
[7:50] <Tachyon`> mind you, at least I didn't have to send it to Craig
[7:50] <Tachyon`> I'd likely never have seen it again
[7:50] <mikey_w> I'm dealing with Craig, even worse.
[7:50] <Tachyon`> oh dear
[7:50] <sheppard> Tachyon`: is this openpandora you're talking about?
[7:50] <Tachyon`> yes
[7:51] <sheppard> neat
[7:51] <Tachyon`> he posted two of my beta release to his app store without my knowledge or consent too, before I was finished with the porting then refused to remove one of them, presumably as I didn't write it originally
[7:51] <Tachyon`> he did that with a lot of people
[7:51] <Tachyon`> actually paid someone to go trawing for apps and put them on his app store regardless of what anyone else wanted
[7:51] <mikey_w> Who Ed or Craig?
[7:52] <Tachyon`> Craig of course
[7:52] <Tachyon`> ED is great
[7:52] <mikey_w> yes
[7:52] <Tachyon`> but after I was already aware of him doing that and he did it with me, I just sent an abuse notice as he'd ripped off some copyrighted content with it
[7:53] <Tachyon`> unfortunately what I didn't realise was that ED and craig shared the same server
[7:53] <Tachyon`> so that nearly didn't end well
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[7:53] <Tachyon`> but another repo run by wiser heads has prevailed
[7:54] <Tachyon`> repo.openpandora.org
[7:54] <Tachyon`> there's a couple of fairly nice manager apps on the pandora itself too
[7:54] <Tachyon`> so you can download things directly, somewhat like the homebrew browser on teh wii
[7:55] <Tachyon`> has anyone got RISC OS 5 running on the pi yet
[7:55] <Tachyon`> suspect BBC Basic might be a /touch/ faster than on my A3020
[7:56] <mikey_w> night all.
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[8:14] <Syliss> hmm
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[8:15] <Xark> Tachyon`: I think it may be running but as an app under Linux (not on bare metal).
[8:16] <Tachyon`> ahh -.-, still
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[8:18] <Xark> Tachyon`: Hmm, perhaps some progress last I looked -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LiudJUlOi0
[8:18] <Xark> ^since
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[8:19] <Tachyon`> ah, nice
[8:19] <Tachyon`> although someone clearly doesn't know how to create custom monitortypes
[8:19] <Tachyon`> they're just text files
[8:20] <Xark> Tachyon`: This one looks a bit more recent -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1HWuMxO3PM
[8:20] <Xark> Looking much nicer than X actually. :)
[8:20] <Tachyon`> ah yes
[8:20] <Tachyon`> that's more like it
[8:21] <Tachyon`> I still have an A3020 here (12MHz ARM250)
[8:21] <Tachyon`> but RISC OS originally ran on the 8MHz ARM2 machines
[8:21] <Tachyon`> so the pi is certainly plenty, lol
[8:21] <Xark> Cool. I am an Amiga developer since I first saw a demo behind the joystick booth at CES in 1982. :) I have several in the garage (including original developer pre-release A1000).
[8:22] <Tachyon`> ahh, there's a 1200 and a 500 to my right
[8:22] <Tachyon`> although I've been fighting to get a SCSI CDROM to work with the 500
[8:22] <Tachyon`> and it isn't
[8:22] <Tachyon`> seems to be a termination issue
[8:22] <Tachyon`> or it's just dead and pulling the SCSI bus down
[8:22] <Xark> Yeah... mine are very dusty. I haven't really used them since I switched from A1000 to Linux in 1992 or so (it was already very long in the tooth).
[8:23] <Tachyon`> I have a GVP hard drive on the side of the 500+, 2GB disk, 4MB Fast RAM (and 1.5 chip internally)
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[8:23] <Tachyon`> ahh
[8:23] <Tachyon`> these are recent acquisitions
[8:23] <Tachyon`> I have a tendency to modify old machines quite a bit
[8:23] <Tachyon`> http://www.pokenet.co.uk/misc/images.hardware.old/specplus3enew.jpg <- like that spectrum you may have seen before
[8:25] <Tachyon`> I'm upgrading that soon though, it needs an internal kempston interface and better audio
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[8:25] <Tachyon`> (the spectrum +3 had a serious audio problem because whichever shrub at amstrad tested the AY output tested it with only one channel at a time rather than all 3 at once when setting the levels, the end result being that anything tha tuses more than one AY voice clips badly)
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[9:22] <sheppard> anyone whos overclocking their pi awake?
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[9:23] <sheppard> just curious how many amps your +5 source claims to output
[9:23] <Gabtendo> Hello
[9:23] <Gabtendo> I just ordered my raspberry pi
[9:23] <Gabtendo> I've been SD card shopping, but I became aware of some problems that the Raspberry Pi has with SD cards
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[9:24] <Gabtendo> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[9:24] <Gabtendo> "32GB SDHC Class 10 Extreme (45MB/s UHS-I) (SDSDX-032G-X46) - works with arch-04-29-image and latest firmware (booting problems without firmware update)"
[9:24] <Sm0ke0ut> using a newer firmware can solve the compatibilty issues
[9:24] <Gabtendo> That's the card I really want, but do you think that would also provide compatibility with wheezy, persay?
[9:25] <Gabtendo> Is updating the firmware relatively easy?
[9:25] <Sm0ke0ut> yeah. I have that SDcard as well
[9:25] <Gabtendo> You have that SD card and you've got it working fine?
[9:25] <Gabtendo> what is involved in updating the firmware?
[9:25] <Sm0ke0ut> a computer what can read fat32 partitions
[9:25] <Sm0ke0ut> from that point is just replace file
[9:26] <sheppard> Sm0ke0ut: new firmware won't fix it not reading sdxc cards
[9:27] <Gabtendo> Sm0ke0ut: and the files are readily available?
[9:27] <Sm0ke0ut> it was reading the card/loader just fine. I just couldn't get to the console back then, what was fixed with a firmware update
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[9:29] <Gabtendo> Sm0ke0ut: OK, I've re-ordered the card
[9:29] <Gabtendo> >.<
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[9:29] <Gabtendo> I had canceled the order because I read somewhere that somebody had problems with it and I was like fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[9:30] * Sm0ke0ut is looking for the tutorial what I used
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[9:33] <feitingen> Gabtendo: i love my raspi, not a single problem yet (which wasnt caused directly by me)
[9:34] <Gabtendo> heh
[9:34] <Gabtendo> I ordered a pibow
[9:36] <VanDyke> those are super nice
[9:36] <Gabtendo> the ONLY thing I haven't ordered yet is a power supply
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[9:36] <Gabtendo> apparently people have problems with a lot of power supplies
[9:37] <Gabtendo> adafruit claimed to have one that worked GREAT with the rasberry pi
[9:37] <Gabtendo> but they're out of stock and they said they won't have one in for 5-10 days
[9:37] <Gabtendo> so I set it to tell me when it's back in stock
[9:37] <Gabtendo> also
[9:37] <Gabtendo> when I ordered my rasberry pi from an official source
[9:37] <Gabtendo> it said they had one and the estimated ship date was tomorrow
[9:37] <Gabtendo> I thought they were on like a 5 week backorder?
[9:37] <RaYmAn> any decent quality psu that can supply >= 1.2A should be fine
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[9:38] <Gabtendo> you say that like "decent quality psu" is common
[9:38] <RaYmAn> =P
[9:38] <RaYmAn> I mostly mean: Don't get some cheap chinese one off ebay.
[9:38] <RaYmAn> :)
[9:40] <feitingen> i have a 8A one which already powers other stuff and it works nicely with the raspi added to it
[9:40] <Gabtendo> You say that like all psus aren't made in China
[9:41] <buZz> my cheap chinese PSU is awesome :)
[9:41] <buZz> http://gallery.nurdspace.nl/picture.php?/105/category/5
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[9:42] <Gabtendo> If one is of Chinese descent, and one ghetto rigs one's own PSU using cheap parts, is it a cheap Chinese PSU?
[9:43] <buZz> unless all the parts are made in germany ;)
[9:43] <sheppard> Yes.
[9:43] <sheppard> definitely
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[9:44] <buZz> thats a nice game btw
[9:44] <buZz> 'descent'
[9:44] <sheppard> I loved freespace
[9:44] <sheppard> those piplates are neat
[9:45] <buZz> which?
[9:45] <sheppard> adafruit seems to make them
[9:45] <sheppard> it's a breadboard that rests on your pi
[9:45] <buZz> i dont understand why not everybody has a 3d printer
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[9:46] <Gabtendo> because money?
[9:46] <buZz> they are about 10 raspi nowadays
[9:46] <Gabtendo> Well, do YOU want to buy me 10 raspi?
[9:46] <Dyskette> That's a lot.
[9:46] <Dyskette> ?300 is a hell of a lot. I live on less than that each month.
[9:46] <buZz> no but i would buy myself 10 raspis if it could make me a case ;)
[9:46] <feitingen> buZz: my girlfriend wont let me have one
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[9:47] <Dyskette> (Sorry, language :( )
[9:47] <sheppard> how do you live on 300 gbp/mo
[9:47] <buZz> feitingen: tell her about this one girl that designed 365 pairs of earrings in a year
[9:47] <Dyskette> Less than ?300/month.
[9:47] <sheppard> my power bill is about 210gbp
[9:47] <Dyskette> Well, I pay ?100/month in rent for a small room that I share.
[9:47] <sheppard> are you a student?
[9:47] <cjbaird> CNC I'd like
[9:47] <buZz> cjbaird: jah, me too
[9:48] <buZz> still watching and waiting ;)
[9:48] <Dyskette> sheppard, nope, I graduated nearly four years ago.
[9:48] <sheppard> wowie
[9:48] <Dyskette> There's no work.
[9:48] <Dyskette> And obviously, every year that passes, there's a whole nother crop of recent graduates getting what jobs there are.
[9:49] <Gabtendo> I live on $0/month
[9:49] <Gabtendo> so suck it
[9:49] <Gabtendo> ^.^
[9:49] <sheppard> lol
[9:49] <Dyskette> Gabtendo, that's provably false.
[9:49] <Gabtendo> scholarships ftw?
[9:49] <Dyskette> Scholarships are income.
[9:49] <Gabtendo> jobs are for losers
[9:49] <Gabtendo> ^.^
[9:49] <Gabtendo> Oh, they count?
[9:49] <Gabtendo> darn
[9:49] <Dyskette> Well yeah. It's money
[9:49] <Gabtendo> I live on, um, a lot of money per month.
[9:50] <buZz> i dont have that much. but can spare enough to get 10 raspi free in about two months
[9:50] <buZz> but man, 3d printing!
[9:50] <buZz> from your own hands!
[9:50] <Dyskette> I had to save for a while to afford the raspi at all :/
[9:50] <buZz> and its replicating!
[9:50] <Gabtendo> It varies, since my scholarship is a full tuition waiver (scholarship is whatever the price of tuition is, no matter how many classes I take), plus a $15,000/semester cash bonus
[9:51] <Gabtendo> which
[9:51] <Dyskette> 3D printers are very cool, though.
[9:51] <Gabtendo> I have no idea what to do with
[9:51] <buZz> it prints printers!
[9:51] <buZz> http://gallery.nurdspace.nl/upload/2012/07/22/20120722182441-30de2694.jpg
[9:51] <Gabtendo> because my room and my books and my food don't cost $15,000/month
[9:51] <Gabtendo> so....
[9:51] <sheppard> Gabtendo: save it for the next semester
[9:51] <Gabtendo> for what? I get the scholarship that semester too
[9:51] <Gabtendo> it's for the full 4 years
[9:52] <Gabtendo> >.,
[9:52] <Dyskette> Save it for when it dries up.
[9:52] <Gabtendo> >.<*
[9:52] <sheppard> good god
[9:52] <buZz> how much is scholarship?
[9:52] <Gabtendo> I don't know, a bunch of different places offered me the equivalent of a full ride
[9:52] <Gabtendo> and it added up
[9:52] <buZz> isnt that about 2k a semester?
[9:52] <Gabtendo> and I was like what the hell do I do with this?
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[9:53] <Dyskette> Well, this is depressing...
[9:53] <Gabtendo> I'm already in the nicest dorm they offer on campus, I pay for them to clean my bathroom for me
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[9:53] <Gabtendo> I have my own shower and bathroom in my dorm room that I don't share
[9:53] <Gabtendo> currently I'm just investing the leftover money in a roth IRA
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[9:53] <Gabtendo> but if you have a better idea that's not a 3D printer, I'm open to it
[9:53] <Gabtendo> *shrug*
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[9:54] <buZz> no, 3d printers are awesome ;)
[9:54] <Gabtendo> as awesome as rasberry pis?
[9:54] <buZz> moar awesome
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[9:54] <Gabtendo> omg MOAR ossim!?
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[9:54] <buZz> you can print printerkits and sell them on ebay for 6x markup of the plastic costs
[9:54] <buZz> i see a lot of ppl doing it :)
[9:54] <Gabtendo> lolol
[9:55] <Dyskette> That's not going to be sustainable.
[9:55] <buZz> you could print raspi cases, and sell them at 10x markup and still be cheaper than the raspi cases on RS (+ actually fit)
[9:55] <Gabtendo> pfft
[9:55] <Gabtendo> I bought a pibow
[9:55] <Gabtendo> becaues
[9:55] <Gabtendo> it looks sexy as shit
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[9:55] * buZz googles
[9:56] <Gabtendo> that, fitting, and input access was about my own requirements
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[9:56] <buZz> huw
[9:56] <Gabtendo> wait, is this family-friendly?
[9:56] <buZz> well, customizable is my need
[9:56] * Gabtendo looks around awkwardly
[9:56] <buZz> Gabtendo: yeah weird eh
[9:56] <Gabtendo> oh,
[9:56] <cjbaird> Gabtendo: pibows are Fabulous~~
[9:56] <Gabtendo> my bad. >.<
[9:56] <buZz> i want my raspi case to 'click' to a battery i am designing
[9:56] <Gabtendo> but yeah, pibows look AWESOME
[9:57] <buZz> so i can get closer to commercial hardware
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[9:57] <cjbaird> "Faaaaaabulous..." -_-
[9:57] <buZz> hehe yeah, imho one color is enough for a case :P
[9:57] <buZz> although mine is already in two colors ...
[9:57] <Gabtendo> Other than the "I'm running my rpi on a battery." swag aspect, what's the practical application of having a rasberry pi running on battery power? What would one actually use that for?
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[9:58] <buZz> ah
[9:58] <Gabtendo> For instance, you can use a Rasberry Pi hooked up to a wall for a lot of practical real-life applications, like a media center: what's the real-scenario application of a battery-powered pi?
[9:58] <buZz> i am buidling a wearable computer
[9:58] <buZz> like google glass, but more ghetto
[9:58] <Gabtendo> So just swag?
[9:58] <buZz> and accessible
[9:58] <Gabtendo> >.>
[9:58] <cjbaird> Solar off-grid...
[9:58] <Gabtendo> omfg
[9:59] <Gabtendo> solar powered rasberry pi hat
[9:59] <buZz> i want one eye with irc, and one eye with actual reality
[9:59] <Gabtendo> solar powered rasberry pi hat
[9:59] <cjbaird> I've got the gear here for that, and tried it.
[9:59] <Gabtendo> oh my god
[9:59] <Gabtendo> I want one
[9:59] <Gabtendo> now
[9:59] <buZz> raspi itself is quite happy on about 400 mA
[9:59] <Gabtendo> can you wear enough solar panels to properly rurn it
[9:59] <Gabtendo> errr, you know what I mean
[10:00] <buZz> panels -> battery -> raspi
[10:00] <cjbaird> raspi -> wireless -> homenetwork
[10:00] <Gabtendo> I mean, is the charging efficiency of the amount of solar panels one can fit on a hat actually practical in using a Rasperry pi while out and about
[10:00] <buZz> i just want raspi -> 3g -> irc
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[10:01] <buZz> Gabtendo: surface of a cap is not enough for 400mA :P
[10:01] <Gabtendo> fuuuuuu
[10:01] <buZz> oh damn
[10:01] <buZz> i'm already late for work :D
[10:01] <Gabtendo> I'm already late for bed
[10:01] <Gabtendo> it's 3 AM
[10:01] <Gabtendo> I should sleep
[10:02] <Gabtendo> I get weird when I have't slept in two days.
[10:02] <buZz> 10am here
[10:02] <Gabtendo> I make weird impulse purchases that are useless and I don't need like Rasberry Pis
[10:02] <Gabtendo> just kidding <3
[10:02] <Gabtendo> but really, I should sleep
[10:02] <buZz> nn then ;)
[10:02] <Gabtendo> it's 3 AM >.>
[10:02] <cjbaird> AVR32 is there for running Linux on low(er) power.. I couldn't say what their power consumption is, though.
[10:02] <Gabtendo> good night ;)
[10:02] <buZz> cjbaird: send me one and i will measure ;)
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[10:03] <cjbaird> How about I just test this AVR32 UC3-A3 board that I just happen to have.. ;)
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[10:08] <reider59> I sent for the bits to make a breakout board. woo hoo more soldering that I`m not brilliant with lol
[10:09] <sheppard> reider59: at least you can only get better!
[10:10] <cjbaird> hmm, missing the ammeter cable.
[10:11] <reider59> I already made the 26 bit cable with a connector both ends at the weekend so that`s ear marked for that project. I made another that`s just got pared wire ends on and I tinned all 26 wires then added colour coded pins to them to press into the breadboard. o glad they all meter tested and worked.
[10:12] <reider59> I never made a board of any description before so I`m looking forward to making my first one from scratch instead of from a kit
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[10:34] <buZz> 26 pin cable?
[10:34] <buZz> not 26 bit ;)
[10:35] <reider59> meant pin, meds do that, affect memory and thoughts.
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[10:36] <buZz> ;)
[10:36] <buZz> reider59: please dont talk about drugs here
[10:36] <buZz> or some ppl will get emotional!
[10:36] <reider59> meds
[10:36] <buZz> same :)
[10:37] <reider59> that`s awful funny, the ops never had a problem
[10:37] <sheppard> oh pi
[10:38] <sheppard> I hoped for some much out of your poor little 700mhz cpu
[10:38] <reider59> wassup shep?
[10:38] <sheppard> operations in xbmc taking an extended amount of time
[10:39] <reider59> I need to try XMBC again, last time was a while back
[10:39] <buZz> i really like raspbian, makes a lot of stuff faster :D
[10:39] <sheppard> yup
[10:39] <buZz> but yeah xbmc
[10:39] <reider59> got to agree
[10:39] <buZz> xbmc is for xbox
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[10:40] <sheppard> buZz: was
[10:40] <buZz> i still only run xbmc on xbox's
[10:40] <buZz> as it works fine
[10:40] <sheppard> for you
[10:40] <cmug> I run it on my ATV2
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[10:40] <cmug> with VNSI, so I get livetv from my VDR
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[10:42] <buZz> i dont watch TV
[10:42] <buZz> and if i do, i just reach straight DVB streams, so i dont need a lot of cpu to decode them
[10:43] <cmug> Keeps the missus occupied
[10:43] <cmug> win - win
[10:45] <buZz> lol
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[10:45] <reider59> Think I`ll leave the LCD for today and work a little on my Robot arm. got it working in Python and I`ve added most movements as a single move. So I`ll take it a stage further and add a set of moves as one program. I need to make some weights to lift at some point and I`d like to make a GUI for the programs, like in VB in windows. Eventually the arm is going on a programmable skutter I can move and view from VN
[10:45] <reider59> C using a cam on the arm. The arduino will be plugged in, WiFi is running and that leaves a power source to make up.
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[10:49] <cjbaird> Just got rpi-as-an-openocd-bit-bang-jtag-debugger working \o/ .. http://dpaste.org/y15MG/ (with the avr32 board)
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[10:50] <Xark> cjbaird: Neat. So this allows you to debug the AVR32 using the RPi?
[10:51] <hermanhermitage> that sounds sweet
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[10:53] <Weaselweb> cjbaird: nice, which frequency can you do?
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[11:12] <gazzwi86> hi all
[11:12] <gazzwi86> looking for a good breakout board\
[11:13] <reider59> I ordered the bits to make one from Tandy Online
[11:13] <gazzwi86> just something that will let me light up a few LED's from Python
[11:13] <gazzwi86> any advice?
[11:13] <gazzwi86> reider59: a breakout board?
[11:13] <reider59> If it`s just a few LEDs you could easilly do that with a breadboard and a few jumper wires
[11:16] <reider59> Yes, I already have a 26 pin (not bit lol) connector on a ribbon cable and the other end I pared the wires back and tinned, then added colour coded pins to press into the breadboard. I prepared a double ended cable with connectors too. That will go into a breakout board with a connector to plug into and then some screw fit connectors for the wires
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[11:17] <reider59> I get to play with my labeller machine too....fun fun fun
[11:17] <buZz> hehe yes
[11:17] <buZz> i have one aswell :D
[11:18] <reider59> Good tool
[11:18] <buZz> every hackerspace needs one ;)
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[11:19] <Maior> don't suppose anyone knows about the sensibility of just wiring a GPIO output straight to the gate of a 2n7000...?
[11:20] <reider59> No idea but just make sure you stay at 3.3V no %V when using the GPIO. We used a trick to tie a 5V LCD down to 3.3V
[11:20] <megatog615> wire the gpio 5v to the micro usb input for infinite power
[11:21] <buZz> :)
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[11:24] <lupinedk> reider59: like this http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1521 ?
[11:25] <reider59> Yes like that but I`m just using the connectors and maybe one LED. Nothing fancy like Zenor diodes etc.....
[11:26] <reider59> Might add a multi ground connector too since so many wires from an LCD use one
[11:28] <reider59> Maybe an on/off switch to leave it connected but not turned on. then I can use the Pi and leave the breakoutboard and LCD/s turned off.
[11:29] <buZz> so many wires?
[11:29] <buZz> eh
[11:30] <reider59> Just future add ons. The C program that gordon provided just needs 1 extra pin added for each LCD added to the circuit
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[11:44] <megaproxy> has 1080p got better yet?
[11:44] <megaproxy> on openlec
[11:45] <buZz> flash is not supported
[11:46] <mentar> Flash is barely supported on my 32bit linux :|
[11:46] <megaproxy> will flash ever work?
[11:46] <megaproxy> for things like iplayer etc
[11:46] <mikma> no
[11:46] <megaproxy> qq :(
[11:46] * gordonDrogon waves ... 'morning.
[11:47] <megaproxy> you guys seen these? : http://e.dx.com/albums/201207/android-4.0-mini-pc/default.html?utm_source=dx&utm_medium=edm&utm_campaign=20120720&r=90000433
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> intersting little toys.
[11:48] <mikma> megaproxy: no, but thanks, quite nice
[11:48] <megaproxy> im tempted to get one
[11:48] <megaproxy> they boast 1080p playback :D
[11:48] <megaproxy> i wonder if its smooth..
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[11:49] <RaYmAn> megaproxy: as long as you stick to stock software =P
[11:49] <megaproxy> my rpi media pc struggles with 1080
[11:49] <megaproxy> just skips around
[11:49] <mikma> it's openelec
[11:49] <RaYmAn> those devices are closed source to the extreme, and getting other stuff working is a pain - if even possible
[11:49] <buZz> awesome megaproxy
[11:49] <mikma> it's not optimized for raspi
[11:49] <buZz> we just need to wait for OpenMAX support
[11:50] <buZz> or whats it called
[11:50] <megaproxy> is there any dist that works with 1080p on rpi?
[11:50] <megaproxy> 99% of my media is HD
[11:51] <mikma> what i've heard, raspbmc
[11:51] <megaproxy> i may try this tonight
[11:51] <mikma> you could always try overclocking your raspi into 800mhz with openelec
[11:51] <megaproxy> i need a decent remote
[11:51] <megaproxy> using my mobile is ... not the best
[11:51] <mikma> megaproxy: just make sure you have rj45 connected with the first boot
[11:52] <mentar> megaproxy I got 1080P H264 playing very well with OpenElec over NFS
[11:52] <megaproxy> mine reads of a ubuntu server in the garage
[11:52] <megaproxy> with a shared drive.
[11:52] <mentar> Maybe there's an overhead somewhere? Are you reading off it through NFS or SMB?
[11:53] <megaproxy> not sure??
[11:53] <megaproxy> :|
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[11:53] <RaYmAn> megaproxy: also, those mk802/ak802. They are only 1ghz, the 1.5ghz is just marketing (1ghz cpu, 500mhz gpu :P)
[11:53] <sheppard> mentar: on a pi?
[11:54] <megaproxy> mentar, how can i tell?
[11:54] <mentar> sheppard: yeah
[11:54] <megaproxy> i just followed a guide a while back on how to set up a shared drive
[11:54] <mentar> megaproxy: That was probably SMB then
[11:54] <megaproxy> bad?
[11:55] <mentar> Well I've not had anything but problems with SMB in terms of performance, will need to do a test on the RPI
[11:55] <mentar> Try: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[11:56] <buZz> i dont understand why everybody is so 'OMG NEED TO PLAY VIDEO ON RPI'
[11:56] <megaproxy> buZz, because one of mine is a media pc
[11:56] <buZz> really man, is that _all_ you can imagine doing with it???
[11:56] <megaproxy> its fundemental to its operation
[11:56] <megaproxy> the other is going to be a car pc
[11:56] <megaproxy> mentar, ty for link
[11:56] <sheppard> mentar: I'm having random drops playing 720p mkvs
[11:56] <buZz> there are way better platforms for mediapcs
[11:56] <megaproxy> ill book mark that for later
[11:56] <buZz> like actually supported videochips
[11:56] <mentar> buZz: within the RPI pricerange?
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> buZz, I don't get it either - but I suspect we're in a tiny minority... I still have an old tube flatscreen TV ..
[11:57] <buZz> mentar: i bought a used core2duo for half the price of a rpi
[11:57] <buZz> with thick nvidia card and 4gb ram
[11:57] <buZz> and 320gb hd
[11:57] <buZz> gordonDrogon: i have no tv at all :)
[11:57] <sheppard> yeah that'll be fun to mount to a tv and use as a media player
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> buZz, well that would make playing videos somewhat intersting :)
[11:57] <buZz> that machine is just ~35x35x10cm
[11:58] <sheppard> and weighs?
[11:58] <sheppard> and makes how much noise?
[11:58] <mentar> Next time I'm messing around with the Pi I'll do a thorough test
[11:58] <sheppard> and I can walk down the street and order how many of these systems you got?
[11:58] <buZz> no noise whatsoever
[11:58] <mentar> Right now too busy compiling ROS for it
[11:58] <sheppard> mentar: did you end up oc'ing it?
[11:58] <buZz> sheppard: yeah order me 100000 rpi's ;)
[11:59] <buZz> 'down the street'
[11:59] <buZz> lol
[11:59] <mentar> sheppard: No :S
[11:59] <mentar> sheppard: It's news to me that people are struggling with playing back 1080p content
[11:59] <buZz> sheppard: once i'm done, my rpi will be about 600 grams ;)
[11:59] <mentar> sheppard: The only time it slows down is when you have the GUI running with the video in the background
[11:59] <buZz> maybe even more
[11:59] <sheppard> buZz: I'm talking about the 'better and cheaper than rpi c2d system you got for less than $35'
[12:00] <sheppard> mentar: just using omxplayer I think it is
[12:00] <mikma> bbbbbb000bbbbbbbbbbbbb
[12:00] <mikma> umm, hi
[12:00] <buZz> sheppard: ?
[12:01] <buZz> you think there is a shortage of core2duo systems?
[12:01] <buZz> in which world are you living? :D
[12:02] <mentar> I got a core2duo for my parents, thing sounds like a vacuum cleaner :S
[12:02] <sheppard> the one where for $35, no commercially available hw platform beats the pi
[12:04] <mikma> mentar: well pop some 3D game on and then listen at it ;) it's like 747 taking off
[12:06] <buZz> sheppard: imho rpi is hardly commercially available ;)
[12:06] <buZz> on these leadtimes, most project leaders just look the other way
[12:07] <mikma> is it normal that the rpi feels a bit sluggish with raspbian?
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> mikma, depends on what you're doing with it...
[12:08] <buZz> sluggish doing what?
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[12:09] <mikma> pretty much anything
[12:09] <mikma> takes about 10 seconds or more to load terminal
[12:09] <mikma> ssh connection from windows to rpi takes a while to open
[12:09] <mikma> i'm starting to think that the TinyPlug micro-usb charger i got is underpowered
[12:11] <anacron> is there gpu acceleration for X windows yet?
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[12:36] <reider59> Time to get ready, photography group today and the treasurer is off for 3 weeks so I need to collect the fees. later
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[12:37] <Dyskette> anacron, it's really not worth holding your breath for.
[12:39] <hermanhermitage> i wouldnt bother with X until acceleration is available
[12:39] <hermanhermitage> unless you have alot of patience
[12:40] <anacron> yeah, that's what I tought
[12:40] <hermanhermitage> but obviously many opinions
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> I've found X to be quite usable under Raspbian. I'm running xfce too.
[12:40] <hermanhermitage> i run text only over screen/tmux and vi
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> chromium web browser, xterms, etc.
[12:40] <hermanhermitage> or fullscreen over opengl
[12:41] <anacron> yeah, I tried running xfce or whatever the default is with debian image
[12:41] <anacron> it is usable, but not really fun to use
[12:41] <anacron> I'll stick with command line for now
[12:41] <hermanhermitage> its very snappy on command line
[12:42] <hermanhermitage> no complaints
[12:42] <anacron> I've been trying to check out different emulators for mame, but it's not working that well yet
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[12:43] <hermanhermitage> i havent looked but i'd assume if they use the opengl stuff they should be snappy
[12:43] <SgrA> -SgrA- VERSION xchat 2.8.8 Linux 3.1.9+ [armv6l]
[12:43] <SgrA> :D
[12:43] <anacron> hermanhermitage: well not yet
[12:44] <anacron> but there's many people wanting to do the same so it's just a matter of time
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[12:47] <hermanhermitage> i wish i had more time to give X11 a bash
[12:54] <Xark> Did you look at the pixman code teh_orph was complaining about on the forums? Someone compiled a blitter with a C compiler and pasted the asm output into an asm file (stupid - and apparently slower now than C since the compiler has moved on...). :)
[12:54] <Xark> Seems like that is some low hanging fruit for someone with a bit of ARM experience (and time).
[13:02] <hermanhermitage> if gfx code is running on the cpu there are bigger issues
[13:02] <hermanhermitage> asb gave me some pointers into X11, but i'm down another rabbit hole right now
[13:07] <Xark> I understand. No doubt the GPU is what you want, but not sure OpenGL is the ideal API (but perhaps good enough). Some of the alignment and other requirements can be a killer though...
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> I was trying the new memcpy code recently too - and it was slower on my application, but it could be to do with alignment...
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> I reckon that's needed for X is a 2.5g framebuffer driver - like some of the early ones that had a hardware blit engine - get the GPU to the the blit and things like window move/slides will become much smoother.
[13:09] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Possibly. It may not help except for large transfers (haven't examined it in detail, but often there is a tradeoff due to setup costs).
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> Xark, Yea, hard to know though - and no-one has time to do any proper tests.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> Have to say though, Raspbian with xfce is acceptable to me.
[13:10] <Xark> Yeah, nicely improved. They did a great job, I have had few issues.
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> The slow things are going to be the big overloaded IDEs that people have gotten used to - in my xterm/vi/make world, things are flying along nicely.
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> so back to basics as it were...
[13:10] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Heh, yes. Arduino "works", but it is not going to win any awards (however the compiler is fine, just the Java IDE I think).
[13:14] <zgreg> 13:04 <+hermanhermitage> if gfx code is running on the cpu there are bigger issues <-- don't agree
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[13:15] <zgreg> software rendering can have decent performance, and typically has very consistent performance
[13:15] <zgreg> it's very hard to get 2D rendering fast consistently
[13:16] <zgreg> well, on a GPU, I mean
[13:16] <zgreg> typically, many paths will still cause software fallbacks, so it's important to get software rendering fast to lessen the impact of fallbacks
[13:17] <zgreg> if there are low-hanging fruit in pixman's software rendering code, by all means these should be tackled before going for hardware acceleration
[13:17] <Xark> zgreg: Yes, it would be different I suspect if you had direct access to GPU, but without "blitter" API, GPU may be "too cumbersome" also power of two issues can totally suck in GUI
[13:18] <hermanhermitage> any cpu rendering is bad
[13:18] <hermanhermitage> sloppy
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[13:18] <zgreg> hermanhermitage: sorry, but no
[13:18] <hermanhermitage> maybe acceptable if you have cores and cycles to burn
[13:18] <iBooyaa> greets
[13:18] <hermanhermitage> but its crap
[13:18] <Xark> zgreg: The blitter part looks fairly easy to make faster (although not to familiar with this flavor ARM). However, getting pixman/X building sounds daunting (but maybe Debian/Raspbian makes it easy...).
[13:18] <hermanhermitage> maybe i'm biased, but i was a 3d graphics driver writer in a past life
[13:19] * Xark has a lot of experience with low-level graphics as well
[13:19] <Xark> hermanhermitage: However, you do understand adding OpenGL calls to X may not be "the way forward". :)
[13:19] <hermanhermitage> yes
[13:20] <hermanhermitage> not a fan
[13:20] <hermanhermitage> hence this work: https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv
[13:21] <zgreg> Xark: that would work if the DMA/blitter can work well sufficiently directly in the ARM memory
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[13:21] <hermanhermitage> my view is if there is 2d or 3d rasterizer it may be useful, but the vciv vector processor should be ok too
[13:21] <Xark> zgreg: Yes, having to have 2 copies of everything to make it GPU accessible would also be big issue.
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo just caught a butterfly in my office and let it out the window..
[13:22] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Oh no, hurricane coming to China in two months? :)
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> Xark, yes, the avr compiler is fine.
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[13:23] <hermanhermitage> zgreg: the l2 is unified.
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> haveto say, I'm finding the current performance for the 2D sprites I'm throwing about acceptable though.
[13:23] <Xark> gordonDrogon: I am generally happy with most command line things (not that they couldn't be faster, but they are reasonable considering).
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> and that's from basic too.
[13:24] <hermanhermitage> wherever there is silicon that can throw around bits and raster to linear memory format it should be good to leverage
[13:24] <hermanhermitage> for windowing
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[13:24] <Xark> I wonder if the OpenVC (IIRC) API would be useful. It seems more 2D oriented (but perhaps not actually "blitting").
[13:25] <hermanhermitage> should be and probably no morton order textures
[13:26] <adammw111> Hi, I just got my replacement Raspberry Pi back from RS and I'm having trouble with networking on Raspbian, smsc95xx is listed in dmesg but I can't bring up the eth0 interface. Openelec and Debian squeeze work however. What can I do to troubleshoot the problem?
[13:27] <waynix> i can read my nunchuck and motionplus now
[13:27] <waynix> from the raspberry
[13:27] <rm> adammw111, what do you mean 'can't bring up'
[13:27] <hermanhermitage> Xark: opengl can be usable after a fashion, but it helps to have some extensions for texture handling
[13:28] <adammw111> It's not automatically connected to the network, it's not listed in ifconfig nor can I run "ifup eth0" (it returns ioctl SIOCGIFHWADDR: No such device)
[13:28] <Xark> waynix: Nice, I2C interface working. Motionplus sounds fun to toy with. :)
[13:28] <Xark> waynix: Or bluetooth?
[13:28] <waynix> i2c
[13:28] <adammw111> I have had networking previously working on this SD card image, just not with this particular RPi.
[13:28] <Xark> waynix: Better as far as I am concerned. :)
[13:29] <waynix> Xark: yes less power consuption and overhead
[13:29] <Xark> adammw111: You are fairly sure it is not something "silly" like the cable didn't snap in all the way? Do you get blinky LEDs (or on your switch)?
[13:30] <adammw111> Yes, the FDX,LNK and 10M lights are all on. And the network module works with a different SD card image (openelec and debian squeeze soft float)
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[13:30] <Xark> adammw111: Weird. Does it hang or timeout?
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[13:31] <adammw111> nope log in works fine, can do all standard commands, just can't see the network device or use anything that requires networking.
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[13:31] <Xark> adammw111: Hmm, that is odd. What about lsusb?
[13:32] <adammw111> I don't think lsusb is installed. And without network, apt-get is a bit difficult.
[13:32] <rm> adammw111,
[13:33] <rm> can you try "ifconfig -a"
[13:33] <Xark> Hmm...I don't remember installing it separately..
[13:33] <rm> maybe it's actually eth1 or something
[13:33] <adammw111> oh, that's interesting there is an eth1...
[13:33] <gazzwi86> Guys, I'm an absolute newbie when i comes to playing with electronics, I want a basic I/O board to power motors and leds from my RPi. Any advice or absolute beginners tutorial?
[13:33] <adammw111> Oh I get it.. because the MAC address changed it used the next number, right?
[13:34] <Gachl> adammw111: yes
[13:34] <gazzwi86> I'm looking at this: http://www.thebox.myzen.co.uk/Raspberry/Breakout.html
[13:34] <adammw111> The problem is though, that all the configuration is for eth0, and it refuses to auto-configure eth1, can't ifup it for example. Let me check if changing /etc/networking/interfaces helps
[13:34] <gazzwi86> but I don't get the schematics
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[13:35] <Xark> gazzwi86: You can also buy one pre made if you wanted -> http://www.adafruit.com/products/914
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[13:36] <drazyl> adammw111 - what happens if you try "dmesg | grep -i eth"
[13:36] <adammw111> :) working now...
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[13:37] <adammw111> however, i think i'd like to change it back to eth0. I'm sure google will help
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[13:37] <drazyl> what is it at the moment?
[13:37] <rm> adammw111, see /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[13:37] <rm> in there you will have an old MAC as eth0
[13:37] <rm> remove those lines and change the eth1 line to say eth0
[13:38] <adammw111> yep, exactly correct, thanks. so just for reference, if anyone finds a Pi floating around with a MAC of b8:27:eb:85:fb:f3 that will be the one I once had... =)
[13:38] <buZz> lol
[13:38] <Xark> I'll keep an eye out. :)
[13:39] <adammw111> will udev parse files with an .old extension? ie. to make backups of the file by copying it?
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[13:39] <gazzwi86> Xark: cheers!
[13:39] <dutchfish> i wonder why my pi does not have /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[13:40] <joobcode> hi guys, I'm having trouble getting a non fuzzy image on a TV with composite video output
[13:40] <joobcode> I have set PAL
[13:40] <joobcode> and tried disabling overscan in the /boot/config.txt
[13:40] <joobcode> anyone got any other ideas?
[13:40] <dutchfish> the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules got not autoregenerated, how to solve that?
[13:41] <mikma> joobcode: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Display
[13:41] <Xark> gazzwi86: Also, I see several motor control projects on the web Googling. Should be fairly straightforward, but you do need to take some precautions with motors (to isolate RPi). You should start out blinking some LEDs first IMO. :)
[13:41] <gazzwi86> Xark: exactly my plan??? thanks
[13:42] <joobcode> mikma: thanks, this is the guide i already worked through
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> gazzwi86, the Gertboard should be out on a few weeks time now.
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> gazzwi86, but it's initially going to be a kit (IIRC - but they are talking about ready build ones)
[13:43] <adammw111> I think it's got to do with the version of debian installed
[13:43] <joobcode> mikma: overscan and PAL as i am in europe seemed to be only bits relevant to composite output
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[13:43] <gazzwi86> gordonDrogon: I was looking at that. Would be brilliant! I don't mind putting it together
[13:43] <mikma> joobcode: indeed
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[13:43] <gazzwi86> I may have to go with a self built one for the moment thougfh
[13:43] <adammw111> thanks all... working now.
[13:43] <gazzwi86> im to excited! :)
[13:44] <dutchfish> i am bit confused, should i just recreate it like touch /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and then reboot, will it get a new assignment then?
[13:45] <mikma> joobcode: and changing the size of overlay didn't help?
[13:45] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Have you seen this http://baldwisdom.com/raspberry-pi-a-la-mode/ ? Looks interesting. Basically an Arduino that sits on RPi and talks via UART etc. (it was on Adafruit Show & tell).
[13:45] <adammw111> dutchfish: are you running raspbian or the earlier debian squeeze image?
[13:46] <dutchfish> adammw111, latest image (raspbian)
[13:46] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Nice that it has its own microSD and RTC.
[13:47] <dutchfish> adammw111, normally, on my debian systems that rule get recreated
[13:47] <adammw111> recreated as in if it's missing or as in change the eth0,1,2,3 numbers when devices are changed?
[13:47] <Xark> joobcode: What makes you think it should be clearer? Composite is always kind of fuzzy...
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[13:48] <dutchfish> adammw111, yes, whenever it was missing it gets recreated automagically.
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[13:48] <dutchfish> adammw111, not so, on raspbian, i check it out if i just create an empty one, bbl
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[13:50] <adammw111> I guess it could be to do with which packages are installed.. um... I'm looking but not finding much that helps.
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[13:51] <dutchfish> adammw111, nope, that did not work out, it is still empty
[13:51] <dutchfish> adammw111, networking eth is up tho
[13:52] <dutchfish> adammw111, eth0 for the wired connection
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[13:52] <gordonDrogon> Xark, not seen that - looks intersting though.
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> Xark, what I'd like to see is a pass-through GPIO connector - so I can still use the Pi's GPIO. That's frustrating me with the PiFace board.
[13:54] <dutchfish> adammw111, maybe i better ask in raspbian, thanks for trying.
[13:54] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yeah. I think it does pass at least most through, but via a different connector (which seems a pain).
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> and the boards that sit on-top of the Pi like that (e.g PiFace) are irritating in that they don't let the Pi fit in the SKpang board although I've just had the brilliant thought of turning the pillars upside down...
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> Xark, ah, that'll be what that 3x9 pin connector is for them.
[13:55] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Hmm, yeah, I can see that being an issue. I think I can remove the top of my case if need be.
[13:56] <Xark> gordonDrogon: They showed a working board on the Show & Tell video. I believe it is all open source hardware.
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> Xark, Hm. I have one objection to that post - se says no PWM which is clearly untrue, so while most of his oter points are valid, that one is not.
[13:56] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Yes, I notice that. :)
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> and comments are closed..
[13:56] <joobcode> Xark: it isn't a little fuzzy
[13:56] <joobcode> Xark: very fuzzy
[13:57] <Xark> gordonDrogon: However, "limited PWM" would probably be accurate.
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> right. need to finish off wiringPiFace now. Not sure I really like the PiFace board, but it's out there...
[13:57] <Xark> joobcode: Are you sure it is not your TV? Is this a flat screen?
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> yea, one PWM :)
[13:57] <gazzwi86> Cobbler Breakout Kit ordered!
[13:57] <joobcode> Xark: it is a flat screen
[13:57] <gazzwi86> Can't wait! :)
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> gazzwi86, which one is that?
[13:58] <gazzwi86> gordonDrogon: http://www.adafruit.com/products/914
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[13:58] <Xark> joobcode: See if it has some fancy image enhancement settings and if you can disable them (specifically edge sharpen or enhance).
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[13:58] <gordonDrogon> gazzwi86, Ah right. Guess you're in the US then!
[13:58] <Xark> joobcode: If it has "game mode", enable that.
[13:58] <gazzwi86> gordonDrogon: nope
[13:58] <gazzwi86> UK
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> gazzwi86, ah, ok. do they have a UK outlet?
[13:59] <Xark> joobcode: My guess is the TV is just not doing a very good job of upsampling the RPi video signal (old-school composite). The RPi has pretty decent video quality for composite (from my tests).
[13:59] <joobcode> Xark: will try that, I am just dd'ing a up to date build to the sd card. I was running the one i got from RS.
[14:00] <Xark> joobcode: That may help. If possible, use the HDMI cable. :)
[14:00] <gazzwi86> gordonDrogon: It didn't flag anything with uk shipping. Just threw an international option for a little extra.
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[14:00] <gordonDrogon> My Pi has been fine driving both my 30-year old mono monitor and my Sony flatscreen tube TV via compost video...
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[14:00] <gordonDrogon> gazzwi86, ok.
[14:00] <joobcode> Xark: is for my niece, she only has shitty TV
[14:01] <joobcode> Xark: and my budget already blown on buying pi and wireless usb
[14:01] <Xark> joobcode: Gotcha. It may actually look better with this composite. :)
[14:01] <joobcode> Xark: fingers crossed
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[14:03] <gordonDrogon> I'm annoyed that a 25-year old mercury tilt switch no-longer works.
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> took it out of a very old project thinking I'd make up one of Mikes magic wands and it's now irritating me.
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> so I have to buy a new one!
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> going to try maplins 'reserve at store' feature ...
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> only becuase my wife will be passing Maplin in exeter later today...
[14:20] <ReggieUK> phone them first to confirm eyeballs on confirmation of stock levels!!!
[14:22] <joobcode> hmm, want to run rpi-update
[14:22] <joobcode> not in path
[14:22] <joobcode> or /sbin/ or /usr/sbin/
[14:22] <joobcode> anyone know how i should start rpi-update?
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[14:25] <joobcode> anyone know where i can find rpi-update script in filesystem?
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> I don't think it's installed by default, so get it from ...
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[14:25] <ReggieUK> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/rpi-update
[14:25] <adammw111> which rpi-update ==> /usr/bin/rpi-update on my Raspbian image
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
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[14:26] <gordonDrogon> is it shipped with raspbian by defualt now?
[14:26] <ReggieUK> I thought it was myself
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> I'm thinking there is a package now though, but I'm really not sure...
[14:27] <waynix> rpi-update was not on my raspbian image
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[14:28] <joobcode> not in /usr/bin for 2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.zip
[14:28] <buZz> i grabbed rpi-update from the github
[14:28] <buZz> worked as a charm
[14:28] <buZz> but
[14:28] <ReggieUK> easy enough to grab it
[14:29] <buZz> WHAT does it update?
[14:29] <buZz> i found no entry telling me what it updates
[14:29] <Sm0ke0ut> "firmware" afaik
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[14:29] <waynix> but update your rpi first apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> the stuff in /boot, and I think the libraries in /opt/vc ...
[14:29] <ReggieUK> it grabs it from hexxeh though doesn't it?
[14:30] <buZz> from github
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[14:30] <buZz> rpi-firmware
[14:30] <buZz> or something
[14:30] <buZz> in hexxeh's account
[14:31] <joobcode> so apt-cache search rpi-update turns nothing up
[14:31] <waynix> raspbian did not boot for me when i did forget to update all packages before running rpi-update
[14:31] <buZz> joobcode: of course
[14:31] <joobcode> trying a apt-get update now
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> you might want to install 'eatmydata' ...
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> then run eatmydata apt-get update ; eatmydata apt-get upgrade
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> (as root)
[14:32] <buZz> and then?
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> however if it crashes then there is a higher chance of filesystem corruption...
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[14:33] <joobcode> ok but this will speed up disk write operations?
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> no
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> it will cache more data in RAM before it gets written to disk.
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[14:34] <gordonDrogon> although that's not what it does, but the effect is the same.
[14:34] <buZz> cant you just increase swapiness
[14:34] <buZz> without this extra app?
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> it's nothing to do with swappiness.
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> it's to do with subverting the O_FSYNC flags to file opens. it lets applications carry on after they think data has been successfully writen to the SD card.
[14:35] <buZz> ah
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> normally the applications would stall while the writes are physically completed.
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[14:35] <buZz> does sound pretty 'safe' ;)
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> for applications that do lots of little writes, it makes them go much slower.
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> it's safe as long as you don't get an unnexpected power cycle/crash.
[14:36] <mm0zct> only if they sync every write surely?
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> I've been using it on my laptop with a slow SSD for some time too.
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> if a file is opened with the O_FSYNC flag, then every write gets synced.
[14:36] <mm0zct> ok
[14:37] <mm0zct> do many apps use that?
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[14:37] <jayer89> wow it worked
[14:37] <jayer89> hello all
[14:37] <mm0zct> hi
[14:37] <jayer89> so do you have a raspberry pi or waiting for one?
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> mm0zct, things like firefox use it, and anything that uses a database..
[14:37] <muep> jayer89: who?
[14:38] <jayer89> you
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> mm0zct, so apt-get, etc. keep track of stuff in a database...
[14:38] <mm0zct> ok
[14:38] <mm0zct> makes sense
[14:38] <jayer89> im waiting for my raspberry pi
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> flushing makes a lot of sense for data integrity, but on a slow device can be frustrating.
[14:38] <muep> jayer89: there are dozens of people here, many of whom have a raspberrry pi or multiple of them
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[14:38] <jayer89> okay then
[14:38] <mm0zct> I'm not sure I trust my RPi enough yet though, I'm too prone to crashing/accidenatlly power cycling it
[14:38] <buZz> hehe
[14:38] <jayer89> im awaiting for mine to get to me
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[14:39] <buZz> i now have my raspi running on adapter, unless when i touch it, it will reboot ;)
[14:39] * markllama breaths toward's buZz's Pi
[14:39] <jayer89> do you guys think that the rasppi would run happily off my samsung phone charger
[14:39] <Dyskette> Depends on the current rating.
[14:40] <muep> I have run mine from a samsung phone charger
[14:40] <Dyskette> (And if it's micro-USB, of course :P)
[14:40] <jayer89> it outputs 5.0v
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[14:40] <mm0zct> current, not voltage, it's measured in A or mA
[14:40] <Dyskette> The current rating will be in mA or A.
[14:40] <Inoperable> miliampers
[14:40] <muep> all usb chargers give 5 V but the current capacities differ
[14:40] <muep> 1 A or more should be fine for RPi
[14:41] <jayer89> input: 100-240V~50-60hz 0.15A
[14:41] <muep> do not look at the input current
[14:41] <jayer89> output : 5.0V=0.7A
[14:41] <mm0zct> you need the output one
[14:41] <Inoperable> if the mA is too low RPi won't get enough for its internal capacitors to feed
[14:41] <Inoperable> probably crash
[14:41] <mm0zct> 0.7A
[14:41] <mm0zct> so that's a myabe
[14:41] <Dyskette> Probably.
[14:41] <mm0zct> probably, just don't use a wireless usb device
[14:42] <jayer89> well its a good job i have a samsung data transfer cable then
[14:42] <Inoperable> guys, i got a dumb question
[14:42] <mm0zct> they tend to eat up a bit more power
[14:42] <Inoperable> why does it have a PI in its name?
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[14:42] <mm0zct> because they thought it sounded cool?
[14:42] <Dyskette> Inoperable, from Py, the project was originally for a Python-programmable computer
[14:42] <mm0zct> it's a play on raspberry pie
[14:42] <mm0zct> ah
[14:42] <Dyskette> And then that, yeah.
[14:42] <mm0zct> i forgot that
[14:43] <Inoperable> hm
[14:43] <jayer89> do you guys think my RCA to VGA adapter would work on the rasp PI??
[14:43] <Inoperable> can you expand the ram on it?
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> I'm using 700mA (0.7A) Jawbone chargers to power Pi's.
[14:43] <Inoperable> without resolder the modules i mean
[14:43] <drazyl> Inoperable - no
[14:44] <Dyskette> Inoperable, what, on the RPi? No.
[14:44] <jayer89> obv the vga into my monitor and the RCA to raspberry pi
[14:44] <anacron> jayer89: I can't see why RCA to VGA adapter wouldn't work
[14:44] <Inoperable> Dyskette: so the max config available is 256?
[14:44] <muep> Inoperable: yes
[14:44] <jayer89> cool
[14:44] <Dyskette> Inoperable, the RAM is pretty much integrated in the SOC with the CPU and GPU.
[14:44] <jayer89> do you guys think that they will make one with more memory ??
[14:44] <Dyskette> Not anytime soon.
[14:45] <muep> 256 MiB is quite enough for many tasks
[14:45] <Dyskette> To paraphrase: 256MB should be enough for anyone :P
[14:45] <markllama> It's designed as a teaching tool.
[14:45] <Inoperable> yaeh
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[14:46] <Inoperable> in the 60ties they needed less then 64kb to fly to the moon
[14:46] <Inoperable> in 95 you need 8mb to install win95
[14:46] <Inoperable> hehe
[14:46] <Inoperable> i remember this one
[14:46] <jayer89> if i use a micro SD card adapter to normal size SD card would it work?
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[14:47] <Dyskette> jayer89, people have had mixed success
[14:47] <muep> jayer89: yes
[14:47] <anacron> again, why it wouldn't?
[14:47] <jayer89> i just hope i dont get just the box and the foam
[14:47] <jayer89> like i saw on the forums
[14:47] <markllama> Heh, and in the early 2000s this would have been a low-end desktop.
[14:48] <muep> at least the microsd cards I have have worked just fine with RPi
[14:48] <Inoperable> markllama: with 256 ram?
[14:48] <Inoperable> id say high end
[14:48] <markllama> hehe
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[14:48] <muep> most early 2000s desktop computers had far more capable CPUs
[14:49] <Inoperable> i remember having 128mb and i was askign myself what would i do with all that memory hehe
[14:49] <muep> but much less capable GPUs, I'd guess
[14:49] <markllama> my mom's 2003 compaq laptop had 512.
[14:49] <Inoperable> markllama: must have been expensive
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> how about 128 bytes of RAM?
[14:50] <Inoperable> hehe
[14:50] <markllama> it was mid-range at the time and had slots for 2GB
[14:50] <Inoperable> gordonDrogon: you could fire the MMU on ARM with 128bytes
[14:50] * markllama doesn't think Pis are all that wimpy.
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg
[14:50] <Inoperable> thats for sure
[14:50] <jayer89> what is the best powered usb hub to go for that will work with the PI???
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[14:50] <markllama> I think people have high expectations :-)
[14:50] <hetii> Hi :>
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> jayer89, the best one is one that works for you :)
[14:50] <jayer89> okay then
[14:51] <Inoperable> i might get one of the rasp pi's
[14:51] <muep> there are so many usb hubs around that it would be hard to shop for some specific model
[14:51] <jayer89> off to amazon i go then
[14:51] <Inoperable> but they arent currently available in poland
[14:51] <Inoperable> or near anywhere
[14:51] <Inoperable> where do you guys get yours?
[14:51] <muep> from farnell and rs
[14:51] <jayer89> i brought mine from RS components
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> I got mine (powered hub?) from PC world ...
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> LOGIK
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[14:52] <Inoperable> cause its sounds like a far more capable arduinio to me
[14:52] <Inoperable> how long would it run from a battery if i rip of everything that eats power?
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[14:52] <gordonDrogon> as long as a piece of string.
[14:52] <Dyskette> Inoperable, depends on the battery.
[14:52] <Dyskette> And what could you really rip off it?
[14:52] <Inoperable> Dyskette: a decent tablet one 4000mva
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> use 3 watts as a benchmark for an otherwise idle Pi and go from there...
[14:53] <Inoperable> 3 watts?
[14:53] <hetii> Q: did some of you play with directFB in PI ?
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> yes, 3 watts.
[14:53] <Inoperable> hmm
[14:53] <Inoperable> dual cpu?
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> Inoperable, you don't have a Pi yet, do you?
[14:53] <muep> 3 W is a quite reasonable guess for RPi power
[14:53] <Inoperable> no
[14:53] <Inoperable> like i said, i want to get one
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> it's a single arm processor.
[14:53] <Inoperable> but i cant find one in poland or eu
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> if you had a model A, or unsoldered the usb/ethernet bridge then you might save 1 watt or a little more.
[14:54] <Inoperable> gordonDrogon: arm's family pretty big ;) which one exeeclty?
[14:54] <Inoperable> gordonDrogon: thats what i thought
[14:54] <randName> [question] Is it possiible to redirect the terminal prompt through an LCD? (the text type, not the display type)
[14:54] <Inoperable> gordonDrogon: replacing lan/wlan with bluetooth will reduce the power needs
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> Inoperable, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=which+arm+on+the+raspberry+pi
[14:55] <muep> Inoperable: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_pi
[14:55] <Inoperable> randName: stdio?
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[14:55] <muep> the basic specs are described there
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> Inoperable, bluetooth isn't a 'lan' device.
[14:55] <Inoperable> gordonDrogon: cool, that mouse actually moves ;) i can mock my girl with that. thanks for the tip
[14:55] <randName> hrrm i was thinking bash/python
[14:55] <Inoperable> gordonDrogon: i didnt say it is
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> glad to be of service...
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[14:56] <Inoperable> gordonDrogon: ok, by integrated ram they mean really integrated hehe
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> oh yes.
[14:57] <Inoperable> wow, its small
[14:57] <Inoperable> fuck me
[14:57] <Inoperable> cute
[14:57] <mm0zct> you found this irc room without even skimming the RPi website? :/
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> no thanks.
[14:57] * buZz does what Inoperable wants
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[14:58] <Inoperable> buZz: that's pretty guy, u know that?
[14:58] <Inoperable> gay
[14:58] <Inoperable> i mean
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[14:58] <Inoperable> ;]
[14:58] <buZz> yes i am very guy
[14:58] <jayer89> thats what i did mm0zct i found this irc channel without looking on the site
[14:58] <buZz> i found this channel without the site aswell
[14:58] <buZz> irc is older than web
[14:59] <mm0zct> yes..
[14:59] <buZz> imho irc comes first
[14:59] <mm0zct> but the raspberrypi has been pretty big news recently
[14:59] <jayer89> do you think you could run a IRC server on a Raspberry PI
[14:59] <buZz> it has?
[14:59] <buZz> jayer89: yes
[14:59] <mm0zct> I figured if you were interested in it you would be on the website for it before sumbling into it's ircroom
[14:59] <jayer89> that will be a project to try
[14:59] <mm0zct> stumbling*
[14:59] <buZz> i actually just joined this channel when i received my raspi
[15:00] <mm0zct> but you had been on the raspberry pi's website before ordering your Pi no?
[15:00] <jayer89> im still waiting on mine
[15:00] <joobcode> Hmmm
[15:00] <joobcode> sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:01] <joobcode> but still not /usr/bin/rpi-update
[15:01] <jayer89> if i ordered mine on the 17th of this month and its now the 23rd how long till i get it do you think??
[15:01] <muep> jayer89: it would not be much different from running an irc server from a norman pc
[15:01] <Inoperable> what's the current kernel ver running on rasp?
[15:01] <joobcode> and nothing helpful from apt-cache search rpi
[15:01] <muep> jayer89: just a bit slower :-)
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[15:02] <muep> Inoperable: most images seem to ship a variant of linux with version number of 3.1.9
[15:02] <Inoperable> kewl
[15:02] <Inoperable> gpu got any h/w acceleration?
[15:02] <buZz> i need 3.2
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[15:02] <buZz> for some new wireless chip :P
[15:03] <buZz> i bet 3.2 will come soon
[15:03] <Inoperable> i bet one could hook it up with a usb hub
[15:03] <muep> Inoperable: there are proprietary drivers for accelerated opengl es 2.0
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.2.23+ #3 PREEMPT Wed Jul 18 17:56:26 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[15:03] <Inoperable> and put 4 zydas wireless usb sticks
[15:03] <buZz> gordonDrogon: awesome :)
[15:03] <Inoperable> and you got yourself a nice wlan sniffer ;]
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> buZz, compile your own..
[15:04] <buZz> will do soonish
[15:04] <buZz> gordonDrogon: are you running stock kernel?
[15:04] <jayer89> i think the PI could be use for malicous acts
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[15:04] <Inoperable> its not malicous
[15:04] <ReggieUK> jayer89, so can a spoon, what's your point?
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> buZz, no - one with all the foundation, etc. patches in it from bootc's site.
[15:04] <Inoperable> i coluld sniff on myself
[15:04] <Inoperable> ;]
[15:05] <dirty_d> are tehre any recommended wireless N adapters for the rpi?
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> buZz, http://www.bootc.net/projects/raspberry-pi-kernel/
[15:05] <buZz> ah ok
[15:05] <xarragon> Anyone else tried composite output with latest raspian and sdtv_mode=2 on PAL system, getting partial video image?
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> buZz, I compiled it myself using the cross compiler utilities on bootc's site..
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> xarragon, works fine for me, but I'm not using the stock kernel (not that I think that has any effect on it, but who knows)
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[15:06] <dirty_d> if you wanna compile modules on the rpi after installing a cross compiled kernel, you gotta do a little bit of work
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, yea, make modules
[15:06] <dirty_d> no
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, er, on the host I compiled the kernel on...
[15:07] <dirty_d> you gotta clean up[ the source tree then run make again on the rpi
[15:07] <dirty_d> because there are executables built in the source tree during the build process used for building modules later
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[15:07] <dirty_d> and those will be x86 on the rpi once you move over the source to /usr/src on the rpi
[15:08] <xarragon> gordonDrogon: I tried on a multiinput Acer flat display and my old CRT SDTV, only getting the center of the screen.. Do I need to manually set SDTV resolution or will it automatically use proper PAL size?
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, cant you just build the modules on the cross-compile host?
[15:08] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, yes
[15:08] <dirty_d> i mean if you wanted to just compile a module on the rpi without having to cross compile
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> xarragon, if hdmi is unplugged the pi ought to default to compost output - either PAL or NTSC - and that more or less fixes the resolution, but you can fiddle with the overscan settings...
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[15:09] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, i got that userspace interrupt thing working
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, ok - didn't realise it generated local host binaries too - that's a new one on me!
[15:09] <Inoperable> guys
[15:09] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, yea me too
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[15:09] <Inoperable> are wlan adapters eatin less power when not sending?
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, ok - how do you think it compares to the way in the kernel at present in terms of performance?
[15:09] <Inoperable> i mean if they are just passive recievers
[15:10] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, i havent tested it but i think it should be a lot lower latency for detecting pin changes
[15:10] <xarragon> gordonDrogon: Ok, didn't realize overscan settings applied to composite. My bad. I will try playing more with it. Just curious if it was a known problem. Thanks.
[15:10] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, also with the gpio driver cant you only change one pin at a time?
[15:10] <dirty_d> not a bunch at a time by setting a register?
[15:10] <mm0zct> dirty_d: not if you use the C macros
[15:10] <mm0zct> you can set them all at the same time using the macros
[15:11] <dirty_d> mm0zct, i think hes talking about the sysfs driver
[15:11] <mm0zct> because they are mapped as a single register
[15:11] <mm0zct> ah, sorry i just walked in again and didn't see the context
[15:11] <dirty_d> mm0zct, yea thats how i di it via the regs
[15:11] <dirty_d> and a simple kernel module that sends a signal to the userspace process from a pin change interrupt
[15:12] <dirty_d> so that should be much lower latency that using poll id think
[15:12] <dirty_d> plus you dont need threads if you need to do more than one thing at a time
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, you can change many pins at once, the issue with the Pi GPIO is that they're noy always consecutive, so it will always involve bit fiddling before hand.
[15:12] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, but thats with register access right? not the gpio sysfs driver?
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> so to write an 8-bit value, means un-paking the 8-bits, re-packing them into a 32-bit value, then writing that to the register.
[15:13] <dirty_d> right
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[15:13] <dirty_d> but thats not using a driver
[15:13] <dirty_d> thats direct access
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> yes, low-level only. the sysfs can only poke one pin at a time (as can wiringPi)
[15:13] <jayer89> can you make a power switch work via the GPIO???
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> jayer89, yes - once.
[15:13] <dirty_d> jayer89, yea
[15:13] <jayer89> nice
[15:14] <dirty_d> jayer89, what do you mean? to turn off the rpi or to control something else?
[15:14] <jayer89> i mean put a power switch and connect it on the RPI in via the GPIO
[15:14] <jayer89> so you can turn on and off the device
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> to power the pi or some other device?
[15:15] <dirty_d> jayer89, oh yea like a reset switch
[15:15] <dirty_d> you could do that
[15:15] <jayer89> yea
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> if it's powering the Pi, then you can turn it off... but never back on again!
[15:15] <dirty_d> it would have to be able to turn it back on after a certain time by itself though
[15:15] <mikma> tweaking the overview is a pita
[15:16] <dirty_d> maybe you could use a 555 timer to do that
[15:16] <dirty_d> or a capacitor discharging through a resistor connected to a transistor or something
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> there are mechanical solutions to this - belive it or not. look up "slugged relay".
[15:17] <dirty_d> actually id just use the 555 in monostable mode
[15:17] <dirty_d> the gpio would trigger the output for say a second
[15:17] <dirty_d> the pulse would disconnect the power for a second
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> So you could push a button, it would power up the pi by closing the relay, then then Pi boots, enabled the GPIO pin powering the relay (via a buffer) and when the pi wants to turn off, it disabled the output and the relay drops out.
[15:17] <mikma> c'mon, ain't there any other way of tuning the overview except booting tweaking booting tweaking
[15:18] <gordonDrogon> mikma, no. turn overscan on if on a TV and the defaults ought to work.
[15:19] <mikma> gordondrogon: leaves a tons of black border around the edges, so i have to tweak it by hand :(
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[15:19] <xarragon> mikma: I have the opposite problem, missing part of picture on composite output.
[15:19] <dirty_d> http://www.indiabix.com/electronics-circuits/555-monostable-multivibrator/
[15:19] <dirty_d> something like that would work
[15:20] <dirty_d> the gpio goes to H
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> your building a hardware watchdog - does the one built-in not work?
[15:20] <mikma> xarragon: well /boot/config.txt and tweak the left right top and bottom? :)
[15:22] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, hmm wouldnt 'reboot' do the same thing also?
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, yea, but I think we've gotten side-tracked from jayer89 who wanted to use gpio to switch power :)
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[15:24] <jayer89> basicly i wanted to turn the RPI on and off using the GPIO with a switch
[15:24] <jayer89> would that be possible or not
[15:24] <gordonDrogon> jayer89, turning it on is the hard part - if the Pi is off, it can't trurn itself on...
[15:25] <jayer89> thats true
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> but if it was on, then you can simple run the 'halt' program and it will halt.
[15:25] <dirty_d> jayer89, you can with another rpi, they can 69 turn each other on/off
[15:25] <ReggieUK> :/
[15:25] <jayer89> okay then
[15:25] <dirty_d> or with a pc
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> or just pull the plug... :)
[15:26] <mikma> i'm thinking about buying a remote controlled socket for extension cord, they are pretty cheap. that means remote control on/off for rpi
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> do-able, yes.
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[15:31] <mikma> scummvm 1.4.1-1 -> monkey islands with 3x fullsreen (no aspect ration correction) on 720p .. priceless :D
[15:31] <joobcode> ok rpi-update working and done now
[15:31] <joobcode> :-)
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[15:32] <joobcode> anyone point me to docs relating to manual configuration of xwindows screen resolution and refresh rate
[15:32] <mikma> rpi-update updates the boot-stuff on sd-card, right?
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[15:32] <joobcode> i believe so
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[15:33] <mikma> atleast that's what i have thought. so basicly you can get the files from github by hand and put them on the sdcard with windows too
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> mikma, you can do that.
[15:34] <mikma> but is there any point of updating the firmware? Anything new and shiny betweel raspbian image and the latest firmware?
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> faster SD access?
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> maybe a better USB driver? Maybe the new i2c/spi kernel drivers?
[15:34] <dirty_d> Asteroid nearly a mile wide - 'the size of a city block' - will sail past Earth this Sunday: Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2176561/Asteroid-nearly-mile-wide-sail-past-Earth-Sunday.html#ixzz21S6pSyZb
[15:35] <mikma> gordondrogon: any written info about this?
[15:35] <dirty_d> since when is a city block a mile square
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> I don't normally chase leading edge stuff, but I have been trying to keep up to date with the Pi stuff...
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[15:35] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, when it's written by the daily hail :)
[15:35] <dirty_d> lol, i guess
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> mikma, not sure really - I've sort of not kept up with the official channels for a while though...
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[15:37] <joobcode> hmm, there is hdmi_mode in /boot/config.txt to set resolution but nothing if you use composite?
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[15:37] <markllama> It might be fixed and small.
[15:38] <mikma> don't the settings still work eventho they have "hdmi" in them?
[15:39] <joobcode> mikma: hmm, will try that now
[15:40] <mikma> joobcode: don't surprise if the settings don't work tho
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[15:42] <mikma> also, hot! http://mikma.eu/hardware/raspberrypi/IMG_0725.JPG
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[15:43] <mm0zct> nice
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> that's a game running on hte Pi?
[15:46] <mikma> ya
[15:46] <mm0zct> monkey island
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[15:50] <markllama> nice DVD selection :-)
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[15:51] <frankivo> monkey island, teh memories
[15:52] <Sm0ke0ut> hehe. Completed "Full Trothle" yesterday :P
[15:52] <frankivo> I've been playing CC:Generals Zero:Hour recently :P
[15:54] <dirty_d> what the... http://digg.com/newsbar/topnews/ways_of_parking_a_car_gif
[15:54] <Sm0ke0ut> Didn't really like that game (compared to previous releases of C&C)
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[15:58] <dirty_d> just beat portal2 yesterday, cool game
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[15:58] <pi-bursar> i meant to pick it up during the steam sale, but never got around to it.
[15:58] <pi-bursar> enjoyed the first one loads :)
[15:59] <Sm0ke0ut> The original version is nice as well :-)
[15:59] <joobcode> mikma: doesn't seem to have any effect
[15:59] <Sm0ke0ut> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narbacular_Drop :-)
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[15:59] <stealth``> mikma: are you running that on dosbox or what?
[16:00] <mikma> '??
[16:00] <dirty_d> portal2 has coop and user made maps
[16:00] <mikma> stealth``: sudo apt-get install scummvm
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[16:00] <stealth``> ah, nice
[16:01] <mikma> scummvm is nice now cause it can run pretty much all classic games, lsl1-6, mi1+2, mm1+2...
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[16:01] <Sm0ke0ut> and it works basically on all platforms
[16:01] <stealth``> I used to have the CDs for Sam & Max, Full Throttle and Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
[16:02] <stealth``> but I have no idea where they ended up...
[16:02] <mikma> in the internets perhaps, lol
[16:02] <buZz> stealth``: i have rips
[16:02] <stealth``> haha
[16:02] <buZz> somewhere
[16:02] <mikma> torrent won that argument on me
[16:02] <Sm0ke0ut> Good 'ol times
[16:02] <mikma> got all the cool games as cd versions ;)
[16:03] <buZz> luckily SCUMMVM allows ogg/mp3 compressed audio ;)
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[16:04] <Sm0ke0ut> Another game I used to play a lot was Transport Tycoon
[16:04] <mikma> openttd ;)
[16:04] * Sm0ke0ut nods
[16:04] <mikma> havent tried that out yet but will do it
[16:05] <Sm0ke0ut> works fine :-)
[16:05] <mikma> neat!
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[16:12] <dirty_d> hmm, theyre making a new godzilla movie for 2014, lol
[16:13] <dirty_d> but like the original one, not the new crappy ones
[16:13] <mikma> you mean, men dressed in lizard costumes stomping on cardboard houses?
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[16:14] <dirty_d> nah 2014 CGI
[16:14] <dirty_d> lol
[16:15] <sjaak_trekhaak> How do I get the actual CPU speed?
[16:15] <dirty_d> cgi is rediculous these days
[16:15] <sjaak_trekhaak> proc/cpuinfo doesn't list it
[16:15] <dirty_d> pretty much looks real
[16:15] <dirty_d> sjaak_trekhaak, whatever is set in config.txt is the cpu speed
[16:15] <sjaak_trekhaak> thanks, I know of that config file, however I want to check it using a different tool
[16:16] <dirty_d> bogomips from /proc/cpuinfo should be close
[16:17] <dirty_d> other than that, i dont think thre is any way
[16:17] <Dyskette> sjaak_trekhaak, /proc/cpuinfo should pretty much tell you - look at the bogomips
[16:18] <sjaak_trekhaak> the bogomips dont tell me much
[16:18] <sjaak_trekhaak> I've put my arm freq at 900 but the bogomips say nothing
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[16:18] <mikma> BogoMIPS : 795.44
[16:18] <mikma> well i've put mine at 800 in config.txt
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[16:19] <Dyskette> sjaak_trekhaak, they say nothing? That sounds unlikely.
[16:19] <sjaak_trekhaak> Well, that wasnt well said
[16:19] <sjaak_trekhaak> Can I update the mips?
[16:20] <sjaak_trekhaak> or 'refresh'
[16:20] <Dyskette> Er... what?
[16:20] <sjaak_trekhaak> sec
[16:20] <Sm0ke0ut> he wants to know how to OC his RBP
[16:20] <mikma> boot the raspi?
[16:20] <Sm0ke0ut> probably?
[16:20] <Dyskette> The CPU frequency shouldn't change on the fly - it's set by config.txt at boot time.
[16:20] <Sm0ke0ut> hmm. nevermind
[16:20] <sjaak_trekhaak> This is my config
[16:20] <sjaak_trekhaak> http://pastebin.com/45XR2WaA
[16:21] <Dyskette> So it'll be what it is at boot.
[16:21] <sjaak_trekhaak> I've rebooted after setting those values
[16:21] <sjaak_trekhaak> These are my MIPS:
[16:21] <sjaak_trekhaak> BogoMIPS : 697.95
[16:21] <mikma> sjaak_trekhaak: you propably need to overvolt if you wanna use those mhz. but that'll remove the warranty on your raspi
[16:21] <sjaak_trekhaak> It works fine with those settings
[16:21] <sjaak_trekhaak> Didnt at 950
[16:22] <mikma> well boot it then
[16:22] <sjaak_trekhaak> It is booted lol
[16:22] <sjaak_trekhaak> Thats why I'm looking for a different tool to check the MHz
[16:22] <sjaak_trekhaak> as the bogomips feel 'off'
[16:22] <mikma> cause i've only set arm_freq=800 and it shows me those bogomips i pasted
[16:22] <sjaak_trekhaak> I'll give it another reboot
[16:22] <sjaak_trekhaak> Sec
[16:23] <sjaak_trekhaak> Might prove tricky as I'm not in the same location as my Pi is, fyisically ;)
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[16:24] <mikma> sjaak_trekhaak: sudo reboot && exit
[16:24] <buZz> lol sjaak trekhaak
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[16:24] <sjaak_trekhaak> Just rebooted it; 14:22:36 up 1 min, 1 user, load average: 2.86, 1.09, 0.39
[16:24] <buZz> whats with all the silly nicknames here lately :P
[16:24] <sjaak_trekhaak> BogoMIPS : 697.95
[16:25] <sjaak_trekhaak> It's not updated. Any ideas to check the MHz or update the BogoMIPS listing?
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[16:26] <Xpl01t> I ordered 1 RPi on May 22th from RS Components, and until now I have no news about my order (when they are going to ship it, or what happened). I had sent several e-mails to RS since June, but they only answered the first one, with no important information about my order. What should I do? Thank you guys.
[16:26] <mikma> xpl01t: calm down and wait
[16:26] <buZz> exactly, wait
[16:27] <Xpl01t> mikma, buZz: but i was 2 months ago and the deliver was excepted within 3 weeks from that date =/
[16:27] <Xpl01t> And i've paid for it yet
[16:27] <Xpl01t> correction: "but it was 2 months ago..."
[16:27] <mikma> xpl01t: took months for them to fulfill my preorder too
[16:27] <Xpl01t> mikma: how many?
[16:29] <mikma> xpl01t: i preordered mine at May 10th, and received it 1,5 weeks ago
[16:29] <Xpl01t> mikma: from RS or Element14?
[16:29] <joobcode> Neither setting the framebuffer size of hdmi_group+hdmi_mode seems to have any effect on resolution
[16:30] <joobcode> anyone know how to manually effect RCA video resolution?
[16:30] <mikma> xpl01t: element14
[16:30] <Xark> joobcode: PAL/NTSC is fixed at 480i/576i.
[16:30] <Xark> (AFAIK)
[16:30] <Sm0ke0ut> still odd
[16:30] <Sm0ke0ut> mine was delivered within 3 weeks
[16:31] <Xpl01t> mikma: so it's different =/. Did they announced that it would take almost 2 months? Because when i bought mine their website said it would be despatched within 3 weeks
[16:31] <mikma> xpl01t: yeah i was updated every now and thne telling me the estimated shippingdate of preorders
[16:33] <Xpl01t> mikma: that's the problem!!! RS didn't send any update, any news!! I don't know anything about my order until now. And i'm worried because i'm from south america...
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[16:34] <sjaak_trekhaak> I'll try sysstat for mhz info..
[16:35] <sjaak_trekhaak> lol well thats amazing.
[16:35] <sjaak_trekhaak> 14:33:08 CPU MHz
[16:35] <sjaak_trekhaak> 14:33:09 all 0.00
[16:35] <Xpl01t> mikma: where are you from?
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[16:35] <mikma> xpl01t: finland
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> I'm pretty sure the arm hardware can't report clock speed back...
[16:36] <Sm0ke0ut> nice sjaak_trekhaak =P
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[16:36] <joobcode> the picture quality with the composite rca output if really terrible. The TV is fine itself as a TV. Is it possible that the raspberry pi will just have near unreadable fuzzy console font with some TV's?
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> bogomips in /proc/cpuinfo is relatively close to clock speed though.
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> joobcode, trying to get 640x480 on a TV via compost video is really pushing it.
[16:37] <mikma> joobcode: i've seen some people writing about changing the font in their blogs
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> you are right at the edge of what's possible.
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> In-theory there are about 720 pixels avalable to you, but most TVs won't display that accurately.
[16:38] <Sm0ke0ut> in debian it's probably dpkg-reconfigure console
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> so the olde-computers used to double-up (or more) on the output - so "40 columns" was fine, (40*8 pixals across - 320 dots) but 80 cols was marginal.
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[16:39] <Dyskette> joobcode, setting the aspect ratio to 4:3 on both the pi and my (14:9) TV gives me far and away the clearest display.
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[16:39] <Dyskette> Anything else is blurry and flickery.
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[16:40] <joobcode> Dyskette: seems to be bad with either 4:3 or 14:9 for me
[16:41] <joobcode> gordonDrogon: but from what some folks have said here I can't tweak the resolution on rca?
[16:41] <Xark> joobcode: Have you tried NTSC and PAL? It may be your TV prefers 60hz or something (since I suspect your TV is the issue, RPi composite is what it is).
[16:42] <joobcode> no matter what I configure in the /boot/config.txt I get the following:
[16:42] <joobcode> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s
[16:42] <joobcode> state: HPD low|HDMI off|PAL mode|composite CP off (0x180001), 720x576 @ 50Hz, interlaced
[16:42] <joobcode> I have managed to set PAL, that is slightly, but only slightly better than default NTSC
[16:43] <Xark> joobcode: Is it unreadable, or just fuzzy? Can you take a photo?
[16:43] <mikma> this is really odd
[16:43] <mikma> i plug rj45 in and raspi stops responding
[16:43] <Xark> mikma: Often a sign it doesn't have enough power I believe.
[16:44] <mikma> in that case i don't know what powersupply to use
[16:44] <joobcode> color splash screen on boot looks great :-)
[16:44] <mikma> i was in a deep thought that this 5v 700mA micro usb would be enough
[16:45] <Sm0ke0ut> is it powered with a PC or?
[16:45] <joobcode> not easy for a photo now, i would say headache inducing fuzzy
[16:45] <Xark> mikma: As a test try it w/o keyboard and mouse perhaps?
[16:45] <mikma> TinyPlug micro-usb charger
[16:45] <muep> 700 ma is very near the minimum limit
[16:45] <mikma> well yeah, but problem is to find a micro-usb charger that gives more than 700mA
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[16:46] <sirspazzolot> hey thanks pibot
[16:46] <muep> and I'd guess in some supplies the maximum current label is a somewhat rough estimate
[16:46] <Xark> joobcode: Sounds like normal composite to me. There is a reason old 8-bit computers had huge fonts with 40 columns.
[16:46] <joobcode> :-)
[16:46] <muep> most of the chargers I have seen have been something like 1 A
[16:46] <mikma> maybe i should try the samsung original charger if it does the trick
[16:47] <muep> the microusb ones, at least
[16:47] <joobcode> fair enough, but then I question the value of including an RCA output if this is as good as it gets
[16:47] <Xark> joobcode: My Motorola 850ma works great (but I am also using a powered hub and have nothing plugged into RPi except hub).
[16:48] <joobcode> i have a usb hub connected
[16:48] <joobcode> you think this could effect composite video quality?
[16:48] <Xark> joobcode: Sounds like your TV isn't helping. I wouldn't say it was great, but I could read it on my TV. I do agree it is better with a larger font.
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> sorry - been afk.
[16:49] <Xark> joobcode: Derp. No, that was for mikma. :)
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> I'm pretty sure the actual resolutions are hard-wired into the GPU.
[16:49] <joobcode> :-)
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> so the only way to inprove it is by getting Linux to use a bigger font - if possible.
[16:49] <joobcode> that would help for console
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[16:50] <joobcode> but it is still flickery and fuzzy when in startx
[16:50] <joobcode> think i might just have to save for a better monitor
[16:51] <joobcode> and recommendations? Cheap/ok hdmi, resolution the pi won't have a problem with
[16:51] <Xark> joobcode: I will mention I got (literally) the cheapest 720p monitor at the local electronics giant and it looks great on the RPi. Something like $60.
[16:52] <mikma> xark: is nokia harger with 5v 1200mA ok? :P
[16:52] <joobcode> Xark: thanks
[16:53] <Xark> mikma: That should be good.
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[16:57] <gordonDrogon> joobcode, in the UK or elsewhere?
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[17:09] <joobcode> gordonDragon: UK
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[17:09] <srsrs> wow this channel is HUGE
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> joobcode, I was looking at these a while back: http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/essentials-c16ldib11-refurbished-16-hd-ready-lcd-tv-11081823-pdt.html never got round to ordering though...
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[17:10] <gordonDrogon> joobcode, but looks like a cheap HDMI TV that'll do 720i
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[17:10] <luigi> Wow. This channel is HUGE
[17:10] <srsrs> thats what i said
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> actually 720p I think.
[17:10] <joobcode> looks cool gordonDragon
[17:10] <joobcode> thanks
[17:10] <srsrs> luigi: its also fairly fresh
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[17:11] <luigi> Where can I get info on the second batch being shipped?
[17:11] <srsrs> it was opened in 9th july
[17:11] <srsrs> when can i get the second batch with case?
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> luigi, 2nd? I suspect they're on to the 4th, 5th and 6th by now...
[17:11] <Squirm> umm, I'm running debian on my Pi, when I try to install vim, it says ok, install vim and vim-runtime, but remove 66 others
[17:11] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. $ sudo aptitude install vim
[17:11] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 66 to remove
[17:11] <luigi> gordonDrogon: Strange. I must be really out of the loop
[17:11] <Tachyon`> it's currys
[17:11] <Tachyon`> have you ever experienced masercare?
[17:11] <Tachyon`> don't.
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> yea, currys. I'd never buy their extra insewerants.
[17:12] <srsrs> huh the website says second batch with case will arrive in summer 2012
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> website is not always up to date..
[17:12] <srsrs> "We???ll be making and selling cases by the summer; you???ll be able to buy a unit with or without a case, or a case on its own. The education release later in 2012 will have a case by default. There are lots of homebrew case discussions on the forum."
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> things changed on day 1 I suspect (29th Feb)
[17:12] <srsrs> oh
[17:12] <srsrs> gordonDrogon: so there are already versions with case?
[17:12] <Squirm> srsrs: no
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> srsrs, not that I'm aware of, but there are plenty of 3rd party cases...
[17:12] <Squirm> people have made their own
[17:12] <srsrs> ok
[17:13] <lempiainen> it there any way to copy my current raspbian stuff to a bigger sd-card as is
[17:13] <srsrs> i want to build a fileserver with rspi
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> and now AIUI, the foundation don't plan to make a case of their own.
[17:13] <Tachyon`> Squirm, what packages is it trying to remove
[17:13] <srsrs> can i connect severl usb hdds with a usb hub or something?
[17:13] <Tachyon`> it should give you a list
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> srsrs, you can... I'd not personally recommend it, however it should work if you can properly power them all.
[17:13] <srsrs> ok
[17:13] <Squirm> lempiainen: you could probably use dd to copy from 1 card directly to another. it copies at a low level
[17:13] <srsrs> i know its slow
[17:13] <mikma> well. MPD + Sonata works. but the problem is the multiple folders i keep my music in... like everyone
[17:14] <mikma> and restarting the mpd when you want to switch album is.. yuck
[17:14] <srsrs> can i run the rspi on batteries which are also consantly charged?
[17:14] <srsrs> like a smartphone with backup power / failsafe
[17:14] <mikma> srsrs: 4xAA should do the trick
[17:14] <lempiainen> Squirm: how do I do this via hdd?
[17:14] <srsrs> mikma: but can i charge them at the same time?
[17:14] <srsrs> like a smartphone or laptop battery i mean
[17:14] <mikma> might require a regulator(?) in there also
[17:15] <Squirm> srsrs: a quick google, I found this https://www.modmypi.com/shop/raspberry-pi-cases
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[17:15] <srsrs> so it always remains charged and only if power fails it will use the battery
[17:15] <mikma> srsrs: well sure if your output gives enough juice for raspi + the charging
[17:15] <erahs> can it play minecraft?
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[17:15] <luigi> I hope it can play minecraft!
[17:15] <mikma> pretty damn sure it can't
[17:16] <Dyskette> I agree with mikma
[17:16] <erahs> can it play crysis
[17:16] <mikma> yes it can
[17:17] <mikma> it puts the lotion on it's skin
[17:17] <Squirm> lempiainen: not 100% sure, but it;d be something like `dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sda3 bs=1M`
[17:17] <srsrs> nice cases Squirm
[17:17] <srsrs> ok i see mikma
[17:17] <Squirm> lempiainen: where sda2 is your current sd card and sda3 is your new sd card
[17:17] <srsrs> what are you guys using it for?
[17:18] <Squirm> srsrs: some of them do look quite nice, first time I've looked for a case
[17:18] <srsrs> what are the most common applications?
[17:18] <lempiainen> Squirm: Thanks man, I'll look into it
[17:18] <mikma> srsrs: http://mikma.eu/hardware/raspberrypi/IMG_0725.JPG ... well currently playing music with mpd + sonata
[17:18] <Dyskette> HTPC is pretty common.
[17:18] <martk100> Xbmc on raspbian pisces gives no kb or mouse unless i start it with root privilege. Has anyone else had this problem?
[17:18] <Dyskette> And yeah, retrogaming platforms
[17:18] <srsrs> Squirm: so you run it *without* case so far??
[17:19] <erahs> have you guys tried to play opengl games in wine?
[17:19] <mjr> no, because you can't
[17:19] <Squirm> lempiainen: that basically copies everything from sda2 to sda3. partition tables, the works. So once it's copied, you'll have to then expand the partition and filesystem
[17:19] <srsrs> wouldnt that instadamage it whenever a fly shits on it or something
[17:19] <Squirm> srsrs: I don't use a case
[17:19] <Squirm> and I highly doubt that
[17:19] <srsrs> hehe cool mikma
[17:19] <Dyskette> erahs, that's impossible on so many levels
[17:19] <Squirm> lol
[17:19] <Squirm> srsrs: just dont get it wet
[17:19] <srsrs> hm i would prefer a case
[17:19] <Squirm> (as with any electronics)
[17:20] <erahs> Dyskette: so what can you with rbpi
[17:20] <Squirm> case is there for aesthetics
[17:20] <Dyskette> erahs, lots of things. It's a small ARM linux box.
[17:20] <Squirm> me
[17:20] <Squirm> meh
[17:20] <Squirm> wrong word
[17:21] <erahs> why wifi isnt implemented
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[17:21] <mikma> erahs: insert wlan dongle, profit
[17:21] <Squirm> erahs: buy a dongle ;)
[17:21] <erahs> okok
[17:21] <Dyskette> erahs, http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[17:21] <erahs> 2 models?
[17:21] <erahs> yes im reading
[17:22] <erahs> model A and model B
[17:22] <erahs> ah :)
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[17:22] <erahs> Model B is better
[17:23] <Squirm> erahs: different people, different opinions
[17:23] <erahs> will it blend haha
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[17:23] <Squirm> I want model A
[17:24] <fragalot> Squirm: take model B, remove some parts
[17:24] <fragalot> done
[17:24] <fragalot> :P
[17:24] <markllama> and $10US.
[17:24] <ziltro> I'm considering using a SLA battery and voltage regulator, with the battery normally on charge.
[17:24] <fragalot> markllama: sell said parts on ebay
[17:24] <ziltro> I want to find a 12v TFT too, at some point.
[17:24] <fragalot> at retail prices
[17:24] <fragalot> ziltro: so,... a UPS?
[17:24] <srsrs> would running a small low-load fileserver over wifi with only the sd card crash the card or be too slow?
[17:25] <srsrs> wifi speed would be an upper bound anyway
[17:25] <buZz> crash the card??
[17:25] <ziltro> fragalot: Yes, but without the mains bit. Or... with the mains bit only in the charger.
[17:25] <fragalot> srsrs: Should work perfectly fine really
[17:25] <buZz> how can you crash the card?
[17:25] * markllama would have paid another $5 for serial console on RJ45 or even alternate USB plug.
[17:25] <ziltro> Drive into it?
[17:25] <buZz> heyyy fragalot , familiar nickname \o/
[17:25] <srsrs> buZz: i hear sd should not be read/written to too frequently otherwise they die
[17:25] <fragalot> buZz: too many write cycles?
[17:25] <srsrs> nice fragalot
[17:25] <fragalot> buZz: ^_^
[17:25] <buZz> yeah well a webserver usually does _read_ cycles
[17:25] <fragalot> srsrs: SD reading is not a problem
[17:25] <Squirm> fragalot: the very first time I heard of the Pi, I googled it and got this: http://www.tekosaur.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Raspberry-PI-PC_thumb.jpg
[17:25] <ziltro> srsrs: That's only written. 10,000 cycles or something?
[17:26] <srsrs> ah cool
[17:26] <fragalot> srsrs: SD writing is 10k per block for cheap cards, and that's LOOOAAADS
[17:26] <ziltro> Reading will work forever???
[17:26] <buZz> Squirm: thats the old beta version
[17:26] <srsrs> nice
[17:26] <buZz> sadly they didnt continue on that line :(
[17:26] <Squirm> :(
[17:26] <buZz> but DX has clones of that now
[17:26] <Squirm> I love the size and the camera
[17:26] <Squirm> kind of better to fit into an RC place
[17:27] <srsrs> i like the rspi
[17:27] <Squirm> s/place/plane
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[17:27] <ziltro> I hope there are SMPS based 12v battery chargers.
[17:27] <buZz> of course there are
[17:27] <srsrs> are there different distros for the rspi or do most people use the same debian because it is best supported?
[17:27] <buZz> srsrs: loads of different
[17:27] <buZz> more every week
[17:28] <ziltro> Of course I have recently discovered LiIon cells, and they are pretty cool. Three of them gives 11.1 volts at lowest, up to around 14.
[17:28] <buZz> ziltro: actually much lower
[17:28] <fragalot> ziltro: same with SLA's really
[17:28] <buZz> ziltro: around 9.6 volt
[17:28] <srsrs> which one would you recommend for a small samba fileserver, maybe webserver, irc server, ftp, email, webdav, whatever?
[17:28] <fragalot> lots of voltage swing
[17:28] <buZz> yeah, but SLA will not _die_ when you undervolt :)
[17:28] <buZz> Li+ will
[17:28] <fragalot> srsrs: most should do fine
[17:28] <srsrs> cool
[17:28] <ziltro> Oh okay, maybe I mathsed it wrong. :)
[17:29] <ziltro> But over 7v, so the voltage regulator would be okay
[17:29] <fragalot> LiIon is waaay more compact & lighter than SLA's though
[17:29] <fragalot> so it depends on what you want to do with it really
[17:29] <buZz> ziltro: i am building a battery powered machine around a raspi aswell
[17:29] <ziltro> They are satisfyingly large. :)
[17:29] <ziltro> I want batteries in my music player.
[17:29] <buZz> i use li+ cells also to 'upgrade' old battery stuff
[17:30] <ziltro> I was thinking SLA, because they are easier to charge, but if LiIon can easily and cheaply be charged while running then I might want to use them.
[17:30] <buZz> just replace 2 AA batteries with 1 li+ cell
[17:30] <erahs> any of you have installed arch linux arm
[17:30] <buZz> usually works fine :)
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[17:31] <ziltro> Of course if I have a 12v VDU then I might want 4 cells, and two voltage regulators.
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[17:31] * fragalot notes nobody has suggested NiMH's sofar
[17:31] <srsrs> fragalot: can i use stock distros? i mean like just download from debian.org?
[17:31] <fragalot> srsrs: no idea
[17:31] <srsrs> or are there rspi repositories
[17:31] <srsrs> fragalot: what do you run?
[17:32] <buZz> srsrs: no please dont
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[17:32] <fragalot> stock raspi distro
[17:32] <buZz> srsrs: just grab http://raspbian.org/
[17:32] <srsrs> buZz: where would i get the distros?
[17:32] <ziltro> NiMh aren't so cool.
[17:32] <srsrs> ah
[17:32] <srsrs> ok
[17:32] <fragalot> but I've only played with it for like 2 hours sofar
[17:32] <fragalot> been too busy
[17:32] <srsrs> does it have apt-get?
[17:32] <buZz> yes
[17:32] <srsrs> lol ok
[17:32] <srsrs> nice!
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[17:32] <srsrs> does it run python, java, ruby?
[17:32] <buZz> anyway, i only consider Li-Ion, because i have a SH%TLOAD of them :P
[17:32] <buZz> srsrs: yes yes yes
[17:32] <srsrs> lua, node.js, mono?
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[17:33] <buZz> yes yes C# IS FOR WUSSIES
[17:33] <fragalot> xD
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[17:33] <Squirm> srsrs: to answer your earlier server question, I run webserver and irc server on debian
[17:33] <ziltro> I bought two protected 18650s. Then I realised I had old laptop battery packs which hadn't been taken appart, not I have lots.
[17:33] <buZz> i dont think mono actually works outside x86
[17:33] <markllama> It's just Debian with a tuned kernel and OS libs...
[17:33] <srsrs> jizzinmypants.jpg
[17:33] <Squirm> I've actually run all of them
[17:33] <fragalot> C# is kinda like java, but with the naming conventions being as coherent as they are in PHP
[17:33] <markllama> eww...
[17:33] <buZz> ziltro: i have been collecting laptop batteries for over 3 years now ;)
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[17:33] <Squirm> srsrs: imo, Debian is one of the easier distro's
[17:33] <Squirm> bbl
[17:33] <pi-bursar> srsrs: have a look in the forums for threads on emulating the Pi. I'm running Raspibian in QEMU under Windows until my Pi arrives.
[17:33] <srsrs> Squirm: not the stock raspi distro?
[17:34] <NucWin> up 3 days, 23:35, 3 users, load average: 7.20, 7.68, 7.64 <--- make the pi work
[17:34] <srsrs> haha ok pi-bursar
[17:34] <buZz> there is no stock raspi distro
[17:34] <jedahan> does booting from usb speed up disk access?
[17:34] <Squirm> srsrs: yes, downloaded the image on Monday
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[17:34] <pi-bursar> Then you can play with it all and get a feel for what you can do.
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[17:34] <Squirm> well
[17:34] <jedahan> because every single disk operation is painful on the sd card
[17:34] <buZz> the raspi comes without distro on it
[17:34] <Squirm> srsrs: no, on my dedi I have plain debian
[17:34] <buZz> the foundation just recommends a distro
[17:34] <jedahan> although that might be because it pegs the cpu in which case it won't matter
[17:34] <Squirm> srsrs: but it should be the same
[17:34] <Dyskette> srsrs, the foundation's recommended distro is raspbian, which is basically RPi-optimised Debian.
[17:34] <ziltro> buZz: Wow. That could make a big bang.
[17:34] <buZz> and they change that recommendation all the time
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[17:34] <fragalot> jedahan: write operation*
[17:34] <buZz> ziltro: hmmm good point, having a bbq soon
[17:34] <fragalot> and honestly, 10k writes per cluster is quite a few years worth
[17:34] <buZz> should throw one in :P
[17:34] <srsrs> ok great
[17:35] <ziltro> Short-circuit it to light the fire. It might melt the BBQ?
[17:35] <ziltro> I don't know how hot lithium gets.
[17:35] <srsrs> whats the power consumption on average?
[17:36] <buZz> 0.3 amp
[17:36] <srsrs> and voltage?
[17:36] <Dyskette> USB, so 5v.
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[17:36] <ziltro> 1.5 watts?
[17:36] <srsrs> so 0.3*5v
[17:36] <buZz> hmm wait, thats not right
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[17:37] <buZz> i have 0.3 amp going in my PSU
[17:37] <buZz> at 11.8 volt
[17:37] <Dyskette> It's rated at 700mA, though, and there's whatever inefficiency your PSU has as well.
[17:37] <srsrs> =1.5W
[17:37] <buZz> is 3.5 watt
[17:37] <srsrs> so its about 5W
[17:37] <buZz> yeah well, not much
[17:37] <srsrs> jiggajizzinmypants.jpg
[17:37] <Dyskette> I've seen people saying about 3W.
[17:37] <buZz> and you can tweak it to use less
[17:37] <ziltro> Less is more.
[17:38] <srsrs> its what the world has been waiting for
[17:38] <srsrs> no it only needs a sata controller and integrated wifi in the next batch
[17:38] <srsrs> now*
[17:38] <ziltro> If such a chip exists.
[17:38] <Dyskette> Not going to happen.
[17:38] <jedahan> no need for sata...
[17:38] <srsrs> or usb3
[17:38] <srsrs> for fast fileservers
[17:39] <srsrs> and gigabit ethernet
[17:39] <Dyskette> It's basically a breakout board for the SOC, so it has the features the SOC has. Hard to change that.
[17:39] <srsrs> whats soc?
[17:39] <buZz> system on a chip
[17:39] <srsrs> what does breakout board mean?
[17:39] <buZz> (that broadcom thing)
[17:39] <Dyskette> It's also primarily intended as an education tool, so they're unlikely to start thinking too hard about how to make it a better fileserver...
[17:39] <srsrs> ah which chip does it use?
[17:40] <srsrs> Dyskette: why education?
[17:40] <mjr> wanting much more out of the pi is kinda missing the point. There are other, more fully featured ARM systems around if you need that.
[17:40] <srsrs> ah, can you give an example mjr?
[17:40] <Dyskette> srsrs, that's what the whole Raspberry Pi Foundation and project are all about.
[17:40] <ziltro> Would be nice if someone made a board based on the OpenSPARC T2. That has dual 10gbit ethernet.
[17:40] <buZz> did you guys see the geeseberry board? :)
[17:40] <srsrs> i basically want a rspi with wifi and usb3 or sata for fast hdd connectivity
[17:40] * Tachyon` blinks
[17:40] <srsrs> ah Dyskette
[17:40] <Tachyon`> seriously, sun processors? in 2012?
[17:40] <buZz> Tachyon`: hehe
[17:40] <buZz> they still exist!
[17:41] <srsrs> sorry, i basically want a rspi with wifi and gigabit ethernet and usb3 or sata for fast hdd connectivity
[17:41] <ziltro> Break-out board means you don't need to solder wires to a BGA. ;)
[17:41] <Tachyon`> well, aye, I have a sparc here
[17:41] <Tachyon`> but I wouldn't design anything new based on it
[17:41] <srsrs> can you name such a device?
[17:41] <Tachyon`> no
[17:41] * buZz hands all the oldtimers a http://etc.servehttp.com/indyboot.mp3 to use as notification on their androids
[17:41] <ziltro> It is the only open source CPU I know of, there are probably more. I like its specs.
[17:41] <buZz> srsrs: beagleboard xm?
[17:41] <Tachyon`> although if you ask your unicorn for it you might have some luck
[17:41] <srsrs> of course i also want it low power
[17:41] <buZz> srsrs: pogoplug?
[17:41] <srsrs> lmgtfm buZz
[17:41] <Tachyon`> it's a hacking system in a plug
[17:42] <Tachyon`> runs debian
[17:42] <Tachyon`> and owns your network
[17:42] <srsrs> wow beagleboard xm is like $200
[17:42] <markllama> I will play with Pi's and see if I can design a teaching course for Intro to System Admin with them
[17:42] <Tachyon`> yeah, you're not going to get better value than a pi
[17:42] <markllama> but if I want to make a home-media unit or a desk top I'll get a trimslice or something like it.
[17:42] <srsrs> pogoplug is cool too
[17:42] <Tachyon`> I'm going to build a NAS with one btu I'm actually considering spotting them one to a disk to increase the throughput
[17:42] <markllama> I have a couple older plugs and they're not much more capable than a Pi
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[17:43] <srsrs> oh the pogoplug is only $49
[17:43] <Tachyon`> oh, that's cheaper than I thouht itwas
[17:43] <markllama> depends on which one.
[17:43] <Tachyon`> there's a pogostrip now too
[17:43] <srsrs> but it doesnt even have sd slots and wifi
[17:43] <Tachyon`> it was on engadget the other day
[17:44] <markllama> avoid the V4, it's not even as powerful as the older ones. I know. I have two :-(
[17:44] <srsrs> oh the new version of pogoplug has it and is also only $49
[17:44] <srsrs> http://pogoplug.com/devices
[17:44] <srsrs> thats pretty cool
[17:44] <markllama> srsrs: I have plug v4s
[17:44] <ziltro> If it is plugged in, why does it need wireless networking?
[17:44] <markllama> the SD can't boot
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[17:44] <pschmitt__> hi
[17:45] <markllama> and the eSATA is limited to USB speeds
[17:45] <ziltro> ...!
[17:45] <srsrs> does the pogoplug also run all kinds of distros easily?
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[17:45] <ziltro> So they put on a port which is only there to be faster than USB?
[17:45] <srsrs> markllama: it says "sata/usm drive" does it come with an intregrated hdd?
[17:45] <markllama> it depends which one and what you mean by "easily"
[17:45] <ziltro> But it can't run faster, so is less useful?
[17:46] <markllama> srsrs: you're really expecting a lot for a cheap turnkey loss leader to "cloud file storage"services.
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[17:46] <markllama> If you want to build a real computer around arm, start looking at a trimslice
[17:46] <ziltro> If you store files in the cloud, how do you stop them getting wet?
[17:46] <markllama> or it's peers who's names I don't know.
[17:46] <srsrs> ok
[17:46] <markllama> you won't find a real computer without serious compromises and limitations for $50.
[17:46] <srsrs> i still want low power though
[17:47] <srsrs> maybe i will just get a raspi
[17:47] <pschmitt__> does anyone's raspberry pi make sounds ? mine is emmiting one constantly, ata very low freq. (archlinux)
[17:47] <ziltro> Nah don't get one of them.
[17:47] <markllama> http://trimslice.com/web/
[17:47] <ziltro> Oh wait, I've placed my order, go for it.
[17:47] <markllama> depends on your use case.
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[17:47] <markllama> ziltro: Heh
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[17:50] <srsrs> the pogoplug seems to be marketed as some kind of moron "cloud" device, they dont even list actual specs
[17:50] <markllama> DING DING!
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[17:51] <srsrs> the list web browsers that run on it instead...
[17:51] <srsrs> lol
[17:51] <srsrs> oh actually only web browsers that can access its web interface
[17:51] <aditsu> srsrs: http://www.bash.org/?946290
[17:52] <markllama> it's a consumer device.
[17:52] <srsrs> it does not have something else
[17:52] <srsrs> lol aditsu
[17:52] <markllama> I've soldered serial consoles to them, and I'm using two dockstars as cheap filers but I don't recommend it.
[17:52] <ziltro> ... Apparently Farnell has shipped my order... That was quick. And apparently getting the cardholder's address wrong wasn't a problem.
[17:53] <markllama> next purchase will be a real NAS box. Screwing with this stuff even in home production is dumb.
[17:53] <srsrs> does anybody know the pogoplug specs?
[17:53] <markllama> Now to PLAY that's great.
[17:53] <markllama> google pogoplug v4 and or check out the ArchLinux site for supported hardware
[17:53] <srsrs> markllama: why is it dumb?
[17:53] <anacron> aditsu: sound for suckers (tm) is pretty good
[17:53] <ziltro> Is a NAS bo really cheaper than a cheap PC?
[17:54] <ziltro> You can throw memory at a cheap PC too.
[17:54] <markllama> because futzing with stupid hacked hardware and then expecting my wife and kids to deal with it when I have to futz with it more when I can just buy something to do it right...
[17:54] <srsrs> also NAS stands for network storage
[17:54] <markllama> yes
[17:54] <ziltro> Attached
[17:54] <srsrs> probably they come with their own weird proprietary os and cannot run linux easily
[17:54] <markllama> ziltro: smaller,quieter, more reliable, less work,
[17:55] <ziltro> I have found them to be smaller.
[17:55] <ziltro> Less reliable, more work.
[17:55] <ziltro> And slow.
[17:55] <srsrs> and the weird os only offers file serving
[17:55] <srsrs> because emphasis is on network storage
[17:55] <aditsu> anacron: I have a rackspace for suckers (tm) server :p
[17:55] <markllama> srsrs: check out the Archlinux or Debian ARM sites. and irc channels. THey'll know more about plugs.
[17:55] <srsrs> yes
[17:56] <ziltro> Setting up a Linux RAID isn't very hard.
[17:56] <srsrs> markllama: does the pogoplug have better specs than the rspi?
[17:56] <markllama> I'd rather work on my bikes.
[17:56] <srsrs> i mean its basically the same price
[17:56] <srsrs> with case and psu
[17:56] <markllama> it's different. No video. No console
[17:56] <srsrs> console?
[17:57] <markllama> the V4 has one SD slot and one esata
[17:57] <markllama> and 3 USB2
[17:57] <markllama> serial console.
[17:57] <srsrs> i dont need video for a home server
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[17:57] <srsrs> what does serial console mean?
[17:57] <markllama> job one: solder on a USB serial console.
[17:57] <markllama> with the pi you don't need solder which is nice.
[17:57] <srsrs> what would i need a serial console for?
[17:57] <joobcode> ok: borrowed house TV with hdmi before wife gets home :-)
[17:57] <markllama> it's how you watch and control boot.
[17:58] <markllama> err... so that you're not 100% booting blind?
[17:58] <srsrs> you basically connect a screen to it with a serial ..cable?
[17:58] <joobcode> is it common that edidparser reported "preferred" CEA setting don't work?
[17:58] <srsrs> well the pogoplug can also boot blind
[17:59] <markllama> what I do now because it's cheapest is buy a Nokia CR-42 USB cable, snip one end, solder the leads to the GND,TX,RX and then use minicom to observe the boot.
[17:59] <markllama> until it bricks
[17:59] <aditsu> srsrs: it's how people used to connect "terminals" (keyboard + monitor) to a server back in the '80s
[17:59] <markllama> aditsu: people still do it today :-)
[17:59] <srsrs> ok
[17:59] <srsrs> aditsu: the pogoplug doesnt need it
[18:00] <markllama> yeah, but your home server does.
[18:00] <markllama> time for a bike ride.
[18:00] <srsrs> no i dont need a console
[18:01] <srsrs> i just boot it and then ssh into it
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[18:02] <markllama> or power it on and wait forever.
[18:03] <markllama> you've really never used a serial console on an embedded device or even a server?
[18:03] * markllama is old.
[18:03] <dirty_d> i havent
[18:04] <markllama> there's a whole mess of stuff happening between power on and ssh daemon init.
[18:04] <markllama> well if you're lucky it all happens.
[18:04] <srsrs> no i dont know what serial console is
[18:05] <srsrs> its the stuff i usually see on my monitor?
[18:05] <srsrs> like bios message etc
[18:05] <markllama> when I get back, if you're still interested, I can show you some.
[18:05] <markllama> it's that and more.
[18:05] <srsrs> ok
[18:05] <aditsu> I haven't either (except those really old servers with terminals, e.g. at the uni); I just use a normal keyboard and monitor
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[18:06] <dirty_d> srsrs, its basically just like using your keyboard and monitor, except its all over a serial connection
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> I wish I had an old serial terminal. I had a few when I lived in edinburgh, but had to get rid of them when I moved south as I had little storage space and one estate car journey to move everything. I lost a lot in that move )-:
[18:06] <dirty_d> text based
[18:06] <srsrs> a serial console is basically a stream of characters on a cable and the monitor has to display it according to some protocol metadata?
[18:06] <srsrs> so why cant i just use the hdmi port for that on the rspi
[18:07] <dirty_d> you can
[18:07] <srsrs> why does it need a separate serial console port?
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> srsrs, it usually refers to the physical device e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vt100
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> it's 'traditional' ..
[18:07] <dirty_d> incase its not working, and stuff is sent to serial before the hdmi stuff is ready
[18:07] <srsrs> ok
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's an easy to use / program low-level debugging interface now...
[18:08] <srsrs> and before you said the rspi has "video AND serial console"
[18:08] <srsrs> why would video not be enough to display that stuff? just like any pc or laptop does?
[18:08] <srsrs> so serial console is for when you dont want it on a screen but rather on a wire for easy input into another program?
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[18:09] <srsrs> or another computer
[18:09] <srsrs> ?
[18:09] <ziltro> srsrs: Sending data own a serial port is a lot easier than using video. The data on the serial port can be useful to work out why turning on the display etc. isn't working.
[18:09] <srsrs> ok
[18:09] <srsrs> oh the serial console also has input
[18:09] <ziltro> Once the display is turned on it isn't so nessecary.
[18:09] <srsrs> it is bidirectional, unlike hdmi
[18:09] <srsrs> ok that makes sense
[18:09] <ziltro> However it is possible to log the serial data on the other computer, whereas once it has scrolled off of your display it is gone.
[18:10] <srsrs> correct?
[18:10] <srsrs> the rspi serial console port also accepts signals i send to it?
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[18:10] <ziltro> The RPi serial port has RX and TX so should work both ways, but by default will probably ignore input.
[18:10] <aditsu> srsrs: one of the few good uses I heard of is getting that very-fast-scrolling output when you start booting your computer, to figure out why it fails to boot
[18:10] <srsrs> err if it ignores input then it doesnt make too much sense imo ziltro because i can already see all that stuff using hdmi
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[18:10] <srsrs> ok i see aditsu
[18:11] <srsrs> that makes sense
[18:11] <srsrs> its for stuff that would just scroll past my hdmi screen
[18:11] <ziltro> srsrs: Yes, but if HDMI wasn't working you couldn't.
[18:11] <srsrs> and computers usually dont have hdmi inputs which one could log
[18:11] <srsrs> but they do have serial console inputs
[18:11] <ziltro> Yes.
[18:11] <srsrs> ok
[18:12] <ziltro> Serial ports were used to connect a mainframe to a 'dumb' terminal.
[18:12] <ziltro> So the dumb terminal accepted the serial data, and displayed it on its screen.
[18:12] <srsrs> i dont see why the rspi ignores input but fair enough
[18:12] <srsrs> yes
[18:12] <ziltro> And keyboard onput was sent to the mainframe.
[18:13] <srsrs> but the dumb terminals could also send keystrokes etc
[18:13] <srsrs> and the mainframe wouldnt ignore it
[18:13] <ziltro> You can make it allow logins on the serial port in /etc/inittab.
[18:13] <srsrs> the rspi?
[18:13] <ziltro> Yes. And any Linux machine even.
[18:13] <srsrs> ok
[18:13] <srsrs> interesting
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[18:14] <ziltro> You could connect a load of Serial (RS232) ports via USB hub/s on to the RPi and call it a mainframe. ;)
[18:14] <srsrs> the serial console port on a pc is the largeish thing with like 24 pins?
[18:14] <ziltro> It is probably as powerful as ont.
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[18:14] <ziltro> srsrs: 9 pins usually, unless it is very old.
[18:14] <srsrs> laptops dont have it
[18:15] <srsrs> only desktops
[18:15] <srsrs> ok
[18:15] <aditsu> where's the serial port on the pi?
[18:15] <ziltro> Modern laptops don't have serial. Modern desktops tend not to either actually, but there are usually headers on the motherboard.
[18:15] <ziltro> aditsu: GPIO pins if I heard correctly. I don't have one though so I don't know for sure.
[18:16] <Dyskette> GPIO pins.
[18:16] <aditsu> oh, so you have to hack an adaptor, and perhaps program the pins?
[18:16] <ziltro> There is one difference between the RPi serial port and any PC serial (RS232) ports, and that is the voltage.
[18:16] <ziltro> ie. if you connect the RPi serial port straight to a PC then you might damage the RPi.
[18:17] <srsrs> i see
[18:17] <ziltro> I /think/ the RPi uses 3.3v for its serial port.
[18:17] <aditsu> so the pi doesn't have a serial console, it just offers the possibility of setting up one
[18:17] <ziltro> Whereas PCs use RS232 which is ... at least 5v.
[18:18] <ziltro> aditsu: I believe it uses the serial port to output bootup messages, but by default isn't set up as a console.
[18:18] <srsrs> so the rpi doesnt have a plug really either, just pins on the mainboard
[18:18] <ziltro> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS232#Voltage_levels
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[18:19] <ziltro> Can go up to ??15 volts! The RPi is probably 0v - +3.3v
[18:19] <aditsu> btw, has the gertboard been released?
[18:19] <joobcode> hmmm, can only get hdmi safe mode working, sony bravia doesn't seem to like any other setting
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[18:26] <srsrs> does the rpi play 720p or 1080p video?
[18:26] <srsrs> i mean is the cpu/gpu strong enough?
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[18:26] <ziltro> That's what I've heard, if it is MP4 anyway.
[18:26] <srsrs> cool
[18:27] <srsrs> ziltro: what else could it be?
[18:27] <srsrs> isnt mp4 the best format/codec?
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[18:28] <ziltro> The GPU can play other formats, but some are not "allowed" due to patents. eg. it can't play MPEG2. But it can. But it is disabled.
[18:28] <ziltro> I might actually own an RPi tomorrow.
[18:28] <srsrs> ah ok
[18:28] <srsrs> but the cpu/gpu is really strong enough for smooth 1080p?
[18:28] <ziltro> Of course as software patents don't exist in the UK that's all a load of .. $foul_language
[18:29] <ziltro> Apparently that is what the chip was designed for.
[18:29] <ziltro> Very GPU heavy, the ARM CPU is almost an afterthought.
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[18:29] <buZz> its a common GPU
[18:29] <buZz> VideoCore
[18:29] <joobcode> Anyone have thoughts on hdmi setting give this http://pastebin.com/jy0gGYdm edid parsing output
[18:30] <buZz> google around on it ;) its been used in a lot of devices
[18:30] <reider59> You can make or buy an IDC connector to go on the GPIO pins of the RPi. I made 2 of them, 1 is connector to connector via a 26 pin ribbon cable and the other is connector at the RPi end to bare wires. I then tinned them and added colour coded pins to each by soldering them.
[18:30] <joobcode> so far I am only able to safe mode hdmi setting working
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[18:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[18:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> ? may owrk
[18:31] <reider59> I tied the R/W pin of my LCD Module to ground so the RPi doesn`t read the LCD (not needed anyway) and that keeps it tied to 3.3V
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[18:31] <joobcode> RaTTus|BIG: thanks, have already
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[18:32] <srsrs> thats pretty cool
[18:33] <srsrs> you said earlier that the rpi is mainly about education .. and video?
[18:33] <srsrs> whats the rpi really about
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[18:34] <ziltro> It was created to get kids into programming, because at the moment a lot don't have access to do so.
[18:34] <ziltro> Programming and learning how computers work, etc.
[18:34] <reider59> I guess the RPi was intended as an educational and fun tool for kids but it`s turned out to be that and all things to other people as well. It seems to have gripped peoples imaginations and will become whatever they wish.
[18:34] <srsrs> how would they program if the rpi doesnt even have a keyboard and mouse input?
[18:35] <srsrs> usb keyboard mouse combo?
[18:35] <ziltro> Um yes.
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[18:35] <ziltro> Or one of each.
[18:35] <srsrs> i thought the usb port is for wifi
[18:35] <ziltro> The model B has two USB ports.
[18:35] <reider59> I use a BT mini keyboard/trackpad. But also on VNC with my computer KB/mouse too
[18:35] <ziltro> Strangely it is for USB.
[18:35] <srsrs> can you connect a usb hub to the rpi and it will work?
[18:35] <ziltro> Yes.
[18:36] <ziltro> I wonder if anyone has connected 128 devices to one yet... :)
[18:36] <srsrs> nice
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[18:36] <reider59> I`ve used and have access to a full size kb on the RPi. It used mine no problem
[18:36] <ziltro> Or is it 127? Minus one for the ethernet, minus one for the internal hub?
[18:36] <srsrs> reider59: are you one of the poor kids using it to learn programming?
[18:36] <WASDx> Which actions to the GPIO can damage the board? Like connecting 5V to ground withouit resistance?
[18:37] <reider59> yes, I`m a poor 53 year old kid using it ;-)
[18:37] <ziltro> RPi GPIO is 3.3v.
[18:37] <srsrs> are there any raspberry kids here right now?
[18:37] <ziltro> So yes, connecting 5v = bad. :)
[18:37] <srsrs> i somehow doubt that it will help kids become programmers
[18:37] <srsrs> because they need a $500 hdmi tv to use it in the first place
[18:37] <ziltro> It seems to be exciting kids already.
[18:37] <ziltro> Their home might have a TV already
[18:38] <srsrs> hm
[18:38] <ziltro> The RPi has composite video output too.
[18:38] <WASDx> ziltro: There is that one 5V pin however. But I've been told not to use it so I don't. What about connecting 3V3 directly to ground? Is that bad?
[18:38] <reider59> many kids are already having a go, yet the educational release hasn`t been sent out yet
[18:38] <srsrs> if their home has a hdmi tv then their home very totally likely also has a pc
[18:38] <srsrs> ah it also has composite
[18:38] <srsrs> ok thats cool
[18:38] <ziltro> WASDx: I don't know. But if the GPIO pins are usable as inputs too then grounding them would be normal. But don't trust me. ;)
[18:39] <srsrs> reider59: what will be added in the educational release?
[18:39] <ziltro> srsrs: And the PC runs windows and is already dodgy and must not be fiddled ith because it migth break OMG!
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[18:39] <srsrs> ok i see ziltro
[18:39] <srsrs> its a nice idea
[18:39] <reider59> I connected my LCD Module to 5v but the grounding of the R/W pin drops it to 3.3V. However it will not work if the LCD is connected to the 3.3V pin.
[18:39] <srsrs> is there a raspberry kid foundation as well or who started this?
[18:39] <ziltro> I read something like that anyway. I was brought up with Amstrad CPC and then a 486.
[18:39] <reider59> It may just be a case and basically what we have now.
[18:39] <ziltro> And friends had Spectrums.
[18:40] <mikma> onhan s e
[18:40] <ziltro> I /think/ I heard that the 5v pin is connected directly to the USB 5v input. Not sure if it is through a fuse or not.
[18:41] <srsrs> its basically a one laptop per child for $25 without the laptop
[18:41] <ziltro> Or the cool rubbery keyboard.
[18:41] <ziltro> Which was strangely fun to use.
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[18:41] <ziltro> I'm lucky to have had a poke about with one.
[18:41] <srsrs> you had such a laptop?
[18:41] <srsrs> cool
[18:41] <ziltro> Perhaps the SoC could be used in something like OLPC.
[18:42] <ziltro> I met someone who had one at a LUG meeting.
[18:42] <reider59> My ZX81 had no keyboard, it was just the markings where the keys would be lol
[18:42] <srsrs> is it a new soc design btw?
[18:42] <srsrs> oh is rpi really about the soc, not about the little breakout board?
[18:42] <ziltro> Define "new"?
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[18:42] <ziltro> I think the SoC was chosen because of its price and features.
[18:42] <srsrs> oh rpi is the soc
[18:42] <ziltro> They wanted something of a certain spec, and that did everything they needed.
[18:43] <srsrs> who designs and builds the soc?
[18:43] <ziltro> Broadcom.
[18:43] <srsrs> oh so rpi doesnt build the soc
[18:43] <srsrs> ok
[18:43] <srsrs> so rpi is the breakout board
[18:43] <ziltro> But Eben also works for Broadcom.
[18:43] <srsrs> eben being the initiator of rpi?
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[18:43] <ziltro> He is, or he is one of them.
[18:44] <srsrs> The Raspberry Pi Foundation is a charity founded in 2009 to promote the study of basic computer science in schools, and is responsible for developing a single-board computer called the Raspberry Pi.
[18:44] <srsrs> i see
[18:46] <ziltro> It just happens that what they have made is useful for other things, like robotics, cheap servers, etc.
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[18:46] <srsrs> is it for really young children? like first grade?
[18:47] <ziltro> If they can do programming... :)
[18:47] <ziltro> I don't know how old 'grades' are.
[18:47] <srsrs> the idea is that children whip out their serial console cable and install a linux distro on it and then start apt-get install j2ee?
[18:47] <StMichel> I think you had better read http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs and http://www.raspberrypi.org/about
[18:47] <ziltro> Not really, no. Plug in SD card with a bootable image and use it with screen and keyboard.
[18:47] <joobcode> i started playing with linux/slackware when i was 13
[18:48] <srsrs> ok that works ziltro
[18:48] <srsrs> :)
[18:48] <srsrs> reider59: what will be added in the education edition?
[18:48] <joobcode> doesn't seem a stretch to think other kids will like rpi
[18:48] <srsrs> yeah
[18:48] <srsrs> its a nice idea
[18:48] <ziltro> The serial console is a bit hardcore.
[18:49] <ziltro> But it is something you can do if you want to.
[18:49] <reider59> No idea, it`s getting cased and then whatever distro is recommended I guess. Unless it ships with something.. The forums will have more details
[18:49] <srsrs> right readymade bootable images would work
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[18:49] <ziltro> I might well use mine to drive RS-485 DMX-512.
[18:49] <srsrs> when will the edu edition be available?
[18:50] <ziltro> Yes. The software availabe /at the moment/ is probably not as good as they would like for educational uses, but it is being developed.
[18:50] <reider59> Last I heard it was looking likely to be September
[18:51] <waynix> Yeah and they wanted to sell the rpi in the last quarter of last year^^
[18:52] <srsrs> ziltro: you mean stock ubuntu is not good enough? with premade images it would work
[18:52] <ziltro> There are already pre-made images aren't there? But they are still being improved.
[18:52] <srsrs> is it hard to order a rpi currently?
[18:52] <srsrs> i mean is there enough supply?
[18:53] <srsrs> or too much demand
[18:53] <srsrs> by order i mean get
[18:53] <ziltro> quite easy to order. RS said I had 11 weeks to wait. Farnell say it has been shipped today. I ordered from both.
[18:53] <srsrs> cool
[18:53] <ziltro> I placed the orders whenever it was they were open in general without the "register yoru interest" nonsense.
[18:53] <reider59> Farnell seem the quickest, was the same when I got mine
[18:54] <ziltro> So hopefully mine is 8 days from ordering, which won't be bad.
[18:54] <ziltro> Hmm. I have no power supply.
[18:54] <reider59> 28th of May I think I got mine
[18:55] <ziltro> I ordered them from RS. :)
[18:55] <aditsu> srsrs: you can't run ubuntu on the pi, the ubuntu guys really insisted to make that clear
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[18:56] <reider59> I dual boot ubuntu and Win 7 on my lappie. Prefer Raspbian on the RPi
[18:57] <aditsu> I tried ubuntu just a little bit, couldn't stand it
[18:57] <ziltro> I used to like Ubuntu Desktop more than I do now.
[18:57] <ziltro> Ubuntu Server is still great.
[18:57] <ziltro> Although I use Linux Mint for a desktop mainly.
[18:57] <tflgen2> arch :)
[18:57] <ziltro> I have an Arch machine.
[18:58] <ziltro> Its installer was more than a little rubbish. And has now been discontinued.
[18:58] <ziltro> I don't know how hard it is to ask for language, country and keyboard layout as the first things in that order.
[18:58] <aditsu> I use arch on the pi, it's not bad
[18:58] <ziltro> But it defaulted to thinking I was a yank, which is always very annoying.
[18:59] <ziltro> I do intend to use Arch on the RPi.
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[19:01] <tflgen2> if / when i get my pi, i'll definitely work on getting arch on it. it may be my primary xbmc console though :)
[19:04] <ziltro> One thing I want is to delay bootup until NTP has the correct date/time.
[19:04] <ziltro> Either from the internet or from a GPS receiver.
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[19:06] <srsrs> aditsu: wow why?
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[19:06] <srsrs> why dont the ubuntu guys want rpi underneath?
[19:07] <joobcode> weird, i edit /boot/config.txt, double check it, see my change is an cat the file after editing with sudo nano
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[19:07] <joobcode> but after reboot it looks like old /boot/config.txt came back?
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[19:08] <ziltro> joobcode: Did you forget to unmount the filesystem before unplugging the SD card?
[19:08] <sirspazzolot> it's okay to run rpi-update right now, right? I was gone for a while and heard something about a regression in something
[19:08] <joobcode> don't think so. I am doing soft reboot, not touching card
[19:10] <ziltro> Ah then it should be okay. You might want to run 'sync' after saving to be sure.
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[19:15] <mikma> http://imgur.com/gallery/3JaDR
[19:15] <joobcode> ziltro: thanks
[19:16] <ziltro> dID SYNC WORK?
[19:16] <ziltro> Rebooting should really do a sync.
[19:16] <joobcode> trying now
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[19:19] <srsrs> if i use a usb hub does it have to be powered?
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[19:20] <mjr> yess
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[19:20] <muep> srsrs: IIRC ubuntu requires at least armv7
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[19:20] <srsrs> ah
[19:20] <mjr> the pi will barely power one low-power usb gadget per port, a passive hub wouldn't have any juice to speak of to share around
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[19:21] <nio> can rpi be used for voice over ethernet and internet?
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[19:22] <mjr> sure, but you'll need an usb mic
[19:23] <nio> is there any easy software out there? i have soundplaster play! maybe i already have a mic in
[19:23] <mjr> seeing as it doesn't have audio input
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[19:23] <nio> is the audio encoding fast enough? powerful?
[19:23] <muep> depends on what you encode
[19:23] <mjr> audio is pretty light stuff
[19:23] <ReggieUK> If anyone is interested, I've just setup 'synergy' on my main PC and the pi
[19:24] <ReggieUK> synergy on my main pc runs as a server and allows me to share my keyboard and mouse between machines across the network
[19:24] <ReggieUK> the client machines all have their own screens
[19:24] <muep> someone might want just audio output over IP, in which case the usb microphone would not be required
[19:24] <nio> silk or any good voice protocol thats already in linux
[19:25] <ReggieUK> but with the one mouse and keyboard it behaves like one big desktop (unfortunately, copying and pasting files between machines doesn't work but text copy/paste does)
[19:25] <nio> people currently use skype for podcasting with others and the thing is, wouldnt the raspberry be an easy solution?
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[19:28] <SwK> Does anyone have a recommendation for a small USB sound card for use with the Debian image?
[19:29] <srsrs> does xmbc come with apt-get and lets me run stuff in the background?
[19:29] <mikma> reggieuk: sudo apt-get install synergy ?
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[19:29] <srsrs> like httpd and file server etc
[19:29] <nio> is Mumble what i am looking for? i ll google it more
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[19:30] <mikma> nio: yeah, but i bet mumble/murmur is too heavy for raspi
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[19:31] <nio> humpf, would be cool to do a intercom with raspberry pi ... like you can talk with friends if you press the button
[19:32] <mikma> well pair of walkietalkies cost like 35$/pair
[19:32] <ziltro> Presumably the less audio compression it does the more it can handle?
[19:32] <Stoob> pushtotalk
[19:32] <Stoob> mikma: walkie talkies dont tend to be internet-enabled
[19:32] <dirty_d> so is anyone using wireless-n on there rpi?
[19:33] <dirty_d> *their*
[19:33] <SwK> nio: I'm working on a videoconference raspi in an old 2500 western electric phone
[19:33] <ziltro> Switch-to-talk in an Asterisk conference might work?
[19:33] <dirty_d> i was just that guy
[19:33] <Stoob> hm I'm not but I have a wireless n adapter I might be able to use... /me looks into wether its supported
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[19:33] <mikma> dirty_d: wireless-n?
[19:33] <SwK> ziltro: why use asterisk, use a stripped down freeswitch (which works outta the box on the raspi debian image btw) and do auto answering invites on both ends
[19:33] <nio> i want a "box" next to my desktop ... led to show that i am offline or online (pressing a i am here button) and when i press send i can talk with others ...
[19:34] <SwK> not to mention freeswitch mod_conference can do discontinuous media ie: if no one is talking no RTP is being sent
[19:34] <dirty_d> mikma, just wifi, but n as opposed to a, b, or g
[19:35] <ziltro> I've only used Asterisk. That's all. :)
[19:36] <Stoob> hm apparently mine's supported, i'll try it if/when i get home and get raspbmc working
[19:36] <nio> is that asterisk good with raspberry? can it be used for podcasting reason?
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[19:37] <ziltro> I thoguth a "podcast" was basically a recording?
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[19:37] <mikma> so, remote music player. what other good options than shairport? mdp is limited to one folder / time.
[19:37] <nio> ziltro podcasting with a person that is far away and you also want to record it
[19:38] <mikma> err. mdp = mpd
[19:38] <nio> like "musictaxi" does for professionals
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[19:38] <ziltro> I have many folders on MPD
[19:38] <mikma> symlinks?
[19:38] <ziltro> Them too.
[19:38] <ziltro> The MPD user has to have permissiong
[19:38] <ziltro> permissions
[19:39] <mikma> i added my whole music folder in mpd.conf and it only finds the one in the folder, not the music in subfolders
[19:39] <ziltro> +r and +x for the directories, +r for the files
[19:39] <ziltro> MPD runs as a different user usually.
[19:39] <ziltro> I think on mine I have to set a+r for files and a+rx for directories.
[19:40] <mikma> it works fine if i point it into specific folder but doesn't understamd subfolders
[19:40] <ziltro> That's odd.
[19:40] <ziltro> It should work.
[19:40] <mikma> well i've been reading that it shouldn't
[19:40] <ziltro> Have you checked the permissions?
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[19:44] <gordonDrogon> that's better. ipv6 again.
[19:44] <mikma> ziltro: well yeah, it doesn't allow me to change the rights cause it's windows share mounted in /mnt/music
[19:45] <ziltro> ahh.
[19:45] <ziltro> You might be able to fiddle them when mounting
[19:45] <PhotoJim> I know the row of dual header pins is GPIO. but what is the row of single pins?
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> you know what, I've never really thought about them.
[19:46] <PhotoJim> I'm curious.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> but I can check the circuit diagram -they ought to be there...
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> give me a tick or 2..
[19:46] <PhotoJim> they ought to be. no rush.
[19:46] <PhotoJim> and thank you.
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[19:48] <ziltro> mikma: 'man smbmount' gives lots o foptions you could try. uid=mpduser,forceuid might work? mpduser being whichever user mpd is run as.
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> They're connected to the 9512 chip - appear to be test pins, or some sort of serial IO pins.
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[19:50] <SwK> so... anyone tried any USB sound devices yet? I'm looking for something to use for sound input
[19:50] <srsrs> i read that the rpi is really slow for browsing or even file explorering
[19:50] <srsrs> like really fucking slow
[19:50] <srsrs> and constantly crashes
[19:50] <dirty_d> it is slow
[19:50] <Stoob> I think that depends on your root filesystem
[19:50] <ziltro> I've heard that DHMO can kill.
[19:50] <dirty_d> if youre planning on using an rpi as a PC, youre gonna have a bad time
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[19:51] <srsrs> it only gets fast once the videocore4 is enabled
[19:51] <srsrs> then it gets blazing fast
[19:51] <SwK> srsrs: stop trolling... rpi uses a SD card... its not like having a SSD in there... SD cards are known to have slow i/o times especially on write
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> srsrs, stop trolling.
[19:51] <srsrs> but for a home server with httpd, email server, ftpd, ircd, samba the video would obviously not kick in
[19:51] <srsrs> huh????? i am not trolling man
[19:51] <srsrs> this is what people write in public forums
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[19:52] <dirty_d> whats the videocore4
[19:52] <srsrs> i am just analyzing my options
[19:52] <srsrs> dirty_d: the gpu
[19:52] <SwK> srsrs: its called probably using the wrong device to try and make a file server...
[19:52] <ziltro> Is it that the video driver software isn't ... perfect yet? But is being worked on?
[19:52] <dirty_d> thats not gonna help the desktop experience so much
[19:52] <dirty_d> the cpu is slow, the SD is slow
[19:53] <srsrs> SwK: wrong it is not called that. because earlier people told me it is just fine for a small over wifi file server. obviously i am not talking about sd speed limitations but about cpu slowness
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> srsrs, exactly. it's not a home server type of device. and for the record, it's not that slow - giving its limitations, I could use it as a workstation if I had to - but it's not really designed to be that either.
[19:53] <dirty_d> theres very little memory
[19:54] <srsrs> gordonDrogon: well no. it is designed to be a workstation for children to use facebook, twitter, and so on. thats one objective explicitly stated by the designer
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> srsrs, show me.
[19:54] <srsrs> and apparently it is a bit slow for that
[19:54] <srsrs> gordonDrogon: yes. yes i will show you
[19:54] <SwK> srsrs: see what gordonDrogon just said... the device is made to be a cheap teaching tool but has a number of other possible applications... but using it for a file sharing device and expecting performance is probably a stretch even in best of conditions...
[19:54] <SwK> as far as a work station for children doing web apps its just fine
[19:54] <ziltro> I'm planning on using one as a file server.
[19:55] <ziltro> I am expecting the performance to be better than the internet connection the files are going over. :)
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[19:55] <srsrs> gordonDrogon: apparently you didnt familiarize yourself with the project well though
[19:55] <srsrs> gordonDrogon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ7N4rycsy4 watch
[19:55] <srsrs> gordonDrogon: also read the faqs
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> srsrs, I have 3 Pi's. I'm fully aware of what they can do.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> srsrs, and I can do twitter in chrome on a Pi if I choose to. I don't have a facebook account, so can't try that.
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[19:56] <srsrs> gordonDrogon: not relevant to what i said. so stop trolling or stop accusing me of trolling. what you said vanishes in comparison to what very many on the internet say especially if you are not even familiar with the project rationale
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> that video is over a year old. Things have changed since then.
[19:56] <srsrs> ziltro: i was planning to do that too
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> srsrs, well you're just being a but of a twit then.
[19:57] <srsrs> gordonDrogon: no "things have not changed" since then. the project goal is exactly the same
[19:57] <srsrs> gordonDrogon: watch the video
[19:57] <srsrs> gordonDrogon: wrong. wrong gordonDrogon. you fucking are
[19:57] <srsrs> its not my problem if its slow aight?
[19:57] <SwK> *yawn*
[19:57] <ziltro> Do twits use twitter?
[19:57] <SwK> arguing on the internet...
[19:57] <srsrs> lol ask gordonDrogon
[19:57] <SwK> running in the special olympics...
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> actually I can't as I don't have sound on my PC right now, and I'm not intersted in videos made over a year ago before even this version of the hardware was thought of.
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[19:58] <WASDx> :D my 595 is working
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> just be realisting about the whole thing - if you come here, shouting and swearing, then what do you expect?
[19:58] <srsrs> gordonDrogon: do you have any clue who david braben is?
[19:59] <WASDx> have been messing with it for a while. Turns out i forgot to export the gpios
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> srsrs, what do you think?
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[19:59] <srsrs> do you realize that what david braben says about the purpose of rpi is not exactly irrelevant to rpi no matter when it was put on youtube?
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> srsrs, give it a break will you.
[19:59] <srsrs> gordonDrogon: i think you are a clueless troll looking for trouble
[19:59] <srsrs> no. you.
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> srsrs, fine.
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[20:00] <srsrs> yes fine
[20:00] <ziltro> Oh go on, keep arguing, it is fun.
[20:00] <srsrs> lol
[20:00] <SwK> lol
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> Nah. I'm too old for that.
[20:00] <ziltro> Oh no you aren't... ;)
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> lifes too short.
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[20:00] <SwK> to finnish my statement... even if you win, you're still a retard
[20:01] <srsrs> too short for you to understand
[20:02] <ziltro> I wonder if I had an RPi and an elephant if I could connect the two together
[20:02] <ziltro> Remote control elephant.
[20:02] <SwK> ziltro: duct tape :P
[20:02] <ziltro> And electrodes into the brainz
[20:03] <ziltro> SwK: Elephant tape, surely?
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[20:03] <SwK> that like a really big roll of duck tape?
[20:03] <ziltro> HMmm I thougth it existed, perhaps not.
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[20:04] <SwK> "duck tape" is a brand... "Duct Tape" is the generic... which is more proper name depends on who you ask
[20:07] <PhotoJim> gordonDrogon: thanks for looking that up. I wonder if we could use them for anything useful.
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> PhotoJim, I suspect you'll need to get the manual for the chip - somehow. The chip also has a few GPIO pins too which have been hinted at in the past.
[20:09] <ziltro> ntp-wait might be a useful command.
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[20:10] <PhotoJim> gordonDrogon: and that will be a challenge. :)
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[20:13] <srsrs> SwK: did yuo test it on web apps?
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[20:13] <srsrs> you said its fast enough yet people say it is way too slow for web browsing, sites take minutes to render and the browser regularly crashes
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[20:13] <srsrs> and its not my fault ok, dont shoot the messager
[20:13] <srsrs> messenger
[20:14] <SwK> srsrs: my phone has a slower CPU... and it works fine for most web apps... just dont go expecting to play flash games on it anytime soon
[20:14] <srsrs> i just dont understand why so much emphasis was put on video while kind of neglecting the cpu and thereby missing the project goal
[20:15] <srsrs> if children cannot use facebook because it takes ages and crashes then the 1080p 30fps video playback doesnt really help
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[20:16] <SwK> where do you think all the video performance comes from?
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[20:16] <SwK> the GPU is built into the CPU
[20:16] <SwK> what do you expect out of a $5 CPU
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[20:17] <SwK> you are talking a device that costs $35 (USD)... when the avg desktop system costs 10 times that amount
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[20:18] <PhotoJim> SwK: I think you're understating at 10x. most people spend a lot more than 10x $35 :)
[20:18] <PhotoJim> which makes your point even stronger.
[20:18] <Stoob> yeah that's a below average desktop
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[20:19] <PhotoJim> my experience with low-end systems says an extra half-gig of RAM would do as much to improve performance as a faster CPU would. but again, one has to keep in mind what this device was meant to do.
[20:19] <PhotoJim> it does a lot, and pretty well, for the price.
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[20:19] <PhotoJim> I kept a PII system alive up until about 3 years ago because Linux ran OK on it with 384 MB of RAM. few PIIs had that much or more RAM, and it made all the difference.
[20:20] <buZz> well i dont know
[20:20] <PhotoJim> you'd need more today to do the same thing, but the point holds.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> actually, it's the other way round - the cpu is built into the gpu... the gpu really is the biggest part of the chip, and it's the thing that starts first - the original application, as a set-top box would involve the arm doing nothing more than fetching data for the gpu to process and display...
[20:20] <buZz> i think it would have been awesomepoints for raspi when they would have just put 2GB of ram on the board
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> buZz, cost..
[20:20] <buZz> if you look at memory prices nowadays ...
[20:20] <buZz> its not really that a big investment
[20:20] <PhotoJim> $5 or $20 is a huge incremental cost on a $35 PC.
[20:20] <ziltro> Are larger amounts of RAM available at all?
[20:21] <ziltro> For that style of PoP?
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> there are larger chips that would fit..
[20:21] <buZz> yes they are
[20:21] <ziltro> So hopefully they will become cheaper over time?
[20:21] <buZz> they are cheap already
[20:22] <PhotoJim> and I will say something... if the Pi can succeed in the marketplace, it'll encourage people to write very lean code. the Commodore 64 was famous for improving software quality over its lifespan, but it never gained more memory (except for some very esoteric applications). people just learned how to code it better. perhaps that might happen on the Pi.
[20:22] <ziltro> Cheap enough not to increase the price of an RPi.
[20:22] <buZz> PhotoJim: well, that i agree
[20:22] <buZz> i loved slimming down linux installs on my netbook back when it still had just 512MB ram
[20:22] <PhotoJim> we need a few million Pis out there for that to happen.
[20:22] <PhotoJim> buZz: exactly.
[20:22] <muep> an other ARM board I have has 512 MiB of RAM in a roughly similar PoP package
[20:22] <buZz> but i also loved the amazing speed i got when i swapped in 2GB of ram
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/gertfan2.jpg in the foreground is some pictures of the chips ..
[20:23] <muep> it is not significantly faster than RPi
[20:23] <PhotoJim> I have a GUIless Linux on a 486 with 32 MB of RAM. works fine (but slowly). the GUI is the problem here. :)
[20:23] <PhotoJim> still, it was done. and it works reasonably well.
[20:23] <PhotoJim> no reason why it couldn't be improved with better coding.
[20:23] <ziltro> Who needs a GUI? :)
[20:23] <buZz> hmmm
[20:23] <ziltro> Also RAM is good on a file server.
[20:23] <PhotoJim> maybe someone will write an ARM assembly language web browser :)
[20:23] <muep> except maybe for web browsing, but it is still far too slow to fulfill the expectations of a "normal" web user
[20:23] <buZz> i should dig up my 486 tablet :D
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> things have already improved - xfce4 and the chromium is a good combination already.
[20:23] <markllama> ziltro: There's nothing inherently graphical about server ops :-)
[20:23] <buZz> with 48MB of ram ;)
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[20:24] <srsrs> SwK: no you dont understand my question. also note that i like rpi its a great idea. my question is: why did they put emphasis on and effort into making it play 1080p high definition smooth 30 frames per second video while rendering a basic web page happens on a per minute basis
[20:25] <ziltro> File-server RAM ends up as a disk cache
[20:25] <srsrs> this is what makes me wonder, the imbalance and missing the project goal
[20:25] <srsrs> namely putting cheap and useable pcs into childrens hands to experiment and experience what their richer peers already can
[20:25] <muep> srsrs: is there some other SoC of similar price that you think would have fitter the goals better?
[20:25] <ziltro> SeySayux: I don't think they did. I think this was the first/best chip they found which could do what they needed it to do, and the video performance was a bonus.
[20:25] <Stoob> "They" didnt put emphasis on and effort into "making it" play 1080p hd video, they chose the SoC with the best price/performance that they could
[20:25] <srsrs> twitter, facebook, email, messaging, programming
[20:26] <ziltro> Programming is first, surely?
[20:26] <srsrs> this weird imbalance is what makes me wonder
[20:26] <SeySayux> ?
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[20:26] <muep> *fitted
[20:26] <Stoob> I wonder about your weird imbalance too, srsrs
[20:26] <Stoob> ;)
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[20:26] <srsrs> you dont get it
[20:26] <srsrs> you are just blindly defending rpi
[20:27] <srsrs> i like rpi no dissing it. i just want to understand
[20:27] <Stoob> I'm doing no such thing
[20:27] <srsrs> it makes no sense
[20:27] <muep> I think your expectations are mis-aligned if you thought that RPi creators wanted to make a cheap device for facebooking
[20:27] <Stoob> We've explained it to you
[20:27] <srsrs> children dont need 1080p video if they cannot use facebook like all their peers
[20:27] <muep> for that, there are already dozens of cheap devices
[20:27] <Stoob> as simply as possible
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[20:27] <jayer89> hey guys im back
[20:27] <srsrs> Stoob: no you have not "explained it" to me. you dont get it
[20:27] <Stoob> it is YOU who doesn't get it
[20:27] <srsrs> Stoob: the personal "you"
[20:27] <srsrs> singular
[20:27] <srsrs> anyway
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[20:28] <Stoob> <srsrs> it makes no sense < said by a person who doesn't get it
[20:28] <srsrs> ziltro: so you mean because that was the cheapest soc for the best overall power?
[20:28] <jayer89> has anyone had any problem ordering form RS components
[20:28] <srsrs> are there no other socs with higher desktop performance? i mean programming is mostly about desktop and possibly IDEs, not about 1080p video
[20:28] <srsrs> Stoob: no. read everything i said again
[20:28] <ziltro> srsrs: Possibly. I don't know their desicions at that point, but I don't think they looked for good video performance, simply they found a chip which did what they wanted /and/ had good video.
[20:29] <muep> programming is quite often about producing something visual
[20:29] <Stoob> /ignored
[20:29] <muep> a good GPU can help with that
[20:29] <srsrs> the point of the rpi, and its explicitly stated goal, is putting pcs into the hands of children to program and experience the web like their peers
[20:29] <srsrs> so they should have chosen a cpu that can run an IDE let alone a browser
[20:29] <muep> do they really say that it is intended for web surfing?
[20:29] <srsrs> nobody needs 1080p video in this context
[20:29] <ziltro> I've not heard "experience the web" as being part of the goal. The model A won't have ethernet.
[20:30] <srsrs> if there is no better soc then still, project goal failed. bam. fail
[20:30] <srsrs> too bad but a fact
[20:30] <srsrs> maybe they should have waited
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[20:30] <ReggieUK> who?
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[20:30] <buZz> THEY
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[20:30] <ReggieUK> oh them
[20:30] <srsrs> ReggieUK: the desingers of rpi
[20:30] <ReggieUK> what did THEY do wrong this time?
[20:30] <buZz> ReggieUK: please dont curse here
[20:30] <buZz> ;)
[20:30] <muep> srsrs: please explain where they said that web browsing was an important use case
[20:30] <ReggieUK> :)
[20:31] <ReggieUK> what are the sales figures for the pi now?
[20:31] <ziltro> The model A has no web browsing.
[20:31] <ReggieUK> can anyone tell me?
[20:31] <buZz> i think this one is about 'just' 256MB ram
[20:31] <buZz> ReggieUK: ~3k a day?
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> Basic web pages do not take a minute to render.
[20:31] <srsrs> muep: david braben said it explicitly
[20:31] <ReggieUK> I know it was something like 450,000 preorders by april wasn't it
[20:31] <ziltro> I can tell you that one has been sold. :)
[20:31] <ReggieUK> strange for a failed produt :D
[20:31] <buZz> yes totally failed
[20:31] <ziltro> Only good web pages take 1 minute to render. :)
[20:31] <srsrs> muep: he said it is for poorer children who dont have access to modern tech and forms of communication like their peers. he mentions facebook, twitter, email as an example
[20:31] <buZz> soon raspi will be sued by BOTH samsung and apple
[20:31] <srsrs> also programming of course
[20:32] <buZz> 'your product sucks, we have the copyright on that'
[20:32] <srsrs> so what tHE FUCK FUUUUCK FUUUUUUCK does 1080p have to do with it if it cannot even run a standard website?
[20:32] <srsrs> forgive my vernacular
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[20:32] <buZz> srsrs: no no no , fucking is not a curse, its a verb
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[20:32] <muep> the 1080p decoder is likely dirt cheap when compared to a CPU + RAM that could handle facebook
[20:32] <buZz> ah pffff
[20:32] <buZz> :P
[20:33] <ReggieUK> you should know better
[20:33] <jayer89> who has ordered from RS components???
[20:33] <ziltro> No, it is a town in Austria.
[20:33] <buZz> i ordered from RS
[20:33] <jayer89> for there RPI
[20:33] <buZz> two hours after the launch
[20:33] <srsrs> muep: relevant how? project goal failed
[20:33] <buZz> yes
[20:33] <PhotoJim> perhaps this more a commentary on how piggish Facebook's expectations are rather than an indictment of the capabilities of the Pi.
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[20:33] <jayer89> have you got it yet ?
[20:33] <PhotoJim> does a website need to be that resource hungry for a user? No. :)
[20:33] <Stoob> I'd have to agree with you PhotoJim
[20:33] <srsrs> i would have waited for a better soc or paid some $2 extra to make it run a basic browser properly or an ide
[20:33] <buZz> hehe facebook.com is _not_ a simple website
[20:33] <Stoob> But then again it's a web APP
[20:33] <buZz> srsrs: maybe you should get the gooseberry?
[20:33] <Stoob> yeah
[20:34] <buZz> http://gooseberry.atspace.co.uk/
[20:34] <jayer89> buzz did you get your RPI yet ?
[20:34] * iBooyaa wants to know when the banana will be coming out
[20:34] <muep> srsrs: you would have created vaporware or something like the +$100 ARM boards already available
[20:34] <srsrs> will check taht buZz
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> facebook front page. Loaded in 6 seconds.
[20:34] <iBooyaa> what does everyone think of the arduino leonardo?
[20:34] <srsrs> muep: noooooo
[20:34] <buZz> jayer89: yes, ages ago
[20:34] <srsrs> gordonDrogon: hm
[20:35] <jayer89> oh right
[20:35] <jayer89> i ordered mine on the 17th of this month
[20:35] <muep> I'd guess even the pandaboard would have hard time showing facebook in a desktop browser
[20:35] <jayer89> how long did you have to wait?
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> bbc new front page - 20 seconds.
[20:35] <muep> and it has one of the more expensive SoCs in it
[20:35] <buZz> jayer89: at least 3 months
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> news
[20:35] <jayer89> okay then
[20:35] <SwK> took my like almost 4 months to get mine
[20:35] <buZz> jayer89: when you ordered, the website actually TOLD you when you would receive it
[20:36] <jayer89> no
[20:36] <buZz> didnt you pay attention to the text?
[20:36] <buZz> yes it did
[20:36] <ziltro> Ooh, Leonardo has real USB. That's interesting.
[20:36] <buZz> they have had that on the site even when i ordered
[20:36] <buZz> ziltro: leonardo is a hoax
[20:36] <jayer89> the site didnt say anything
[20:36] <ziltro> Is it? It is on arduino.cc
[20:36] <jayer89> even on the order confirmation i got emailed to me
[20:36] <buZz> ziltro: a) there is no official leonardo released b) its just the 100% exact same hardware as the WAY older and cheaper teensy 2.0
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> theregister.co.uk front page - 10 seconds. must get an ad. blocker for chrome )-:
[20:37] <ziltro> http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardLeonardo
[20:37] <buZz> ziltro: c) the arduino IDE guys are now just copying the libraries from the teensy developer
[20:37] <ziltro> I thought it was similar to the Teensy
[20:37] <buZz> dont buy leonardo, is what i am saying
[20:37] <buZz> d) leonardo has the same INSANE layout as arduino (for pins) but is not pin compatible
[20:38] <buZz> kill it with fire
[20:38] <buZz> and get a teensy 2.0
[20:38] <prpplague> muep: re your comment about pandaboard, it depends on if you the acceleration installed and what resolution your are running the display at
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> ardiono.cc front page - 4 seconds.
[20:38] <buZz> FOUR seconds, omg
[20:38] <prpplague> muep: at 720p the browser is pretty responsive
[20:38] <buZz> gordonDrogon: time to upgrade to fiber!
[20:38] <buZz> ;)
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[20:39] <ziltro> SuperMegaWowBand or whatever stupid name they are going to come up with for it.
[20:39] <teus> hi there, i got my RBP
[20:39] <buZz> i just tried it in lynx and it loads well within one second!
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> buZz, that's chromium on a Pi.
[20:39] <teus> will the wheezy OS connect to LAN and start SSHD by default?
[20:39] <jayer89> buZz
[20:39] <buZz> teus: gefeliciteert :)
[20:39] <buZz> teus: no
[20:39] <jayer89> its okay now i see
[20:39] <buZz> teus: http://raspbian.org/ <- get that
[20:39] <teus> ok
[20:39] <muep> prpplague: good to know
[20:39] <teus> buZz: whats the difference?
[20:40] <buZz> raspbian is sanely configured
[20:40] <buZz> and recompiled to be as fast as possible on raspi
[20:40] <teus> hm
[20:40] <buZz> hmmm
[20:40] <muep> my non-RPi ARM board is built around OMAP3 so I guess it is quite much slower
[20:40] <teus> i dont have a screen for teh RBP right now :>
[20:40] <buZz> yes
[20:40] <buZz> get raspbian
[20:40] <teus> mkay
[20:40] <teus> ah i see images
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> raspbian.org took about 3 seconds.
[20:41] <PhotoJim> teus: raspbian is Debian Wheezy, optimized for the Pi by adding floating-point support.
[20:41] <buZz> and compiling for ARMv6
[20:41] <prpplague> muep: yea
[20:41] <buZz> instead of ARMv4
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[20:41] <teus> k
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[20:41] <buZz> l
[20:41] <teus> official or unofficial img?
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[20:42] <srsrs> ok just for the records do you think it will be fine as a headless over wifi slow low-load file server? or will the weak cpu choke?
[20:42] <srsrs> i mean obviously relatively slow wifi and sd speed are upper speed bounds anyway
[20:42] <srsrs> but will the cpu keep up with that?
[20:42] <muep> it should be able to server them with some speed
[20:42] <teus> ah
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[20:42] <teus> hey PhotoJim :)
[20:42] <muep> *serve
[20:42] <buZz> i managed 11MB/sec on ethernet easily
[20:42] <teus> buZz: i have the official IMG on my RBP
[20:43] <srsrs> muep: no my question is will it at least hit the wifi/sd upper bound?
[20:43] <buZz> teus: there is no image _on_ the raspi
[20:43] <PhotoJim> teus: greetings :)
[20:43] <muep> srsrs: likely yes
[20:43] <buZz> also there is no official image :
[20:43] <srsrs> or will it even lower the bound by cpu slowness?
[20:43] <srsrs> ok cool
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[20:43] <muep> srsrs: depends on what protocol you use for sharing
[20:43] <teus> buZz: i put raspbian wheezy on it
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> twitters a bit slow, but usable if you wait a little - it's baasically full of javascript.
[20:43] <muep> srsrs: ssh is more CPU intensive than HTTP, for example
[20:43] <srsrs> muep: samba
[20:43] <buZz> teus: you mean the recommended image from raspberrypi.org ?
[20:43] <teus> yes
[20:44] <buZz> ok, tried booting it up?
[20:44] <teus> 2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.zip
[20:44] <buZz> looked in your dhcp leases?
[20:44] <buZz> portscanned for ssh?
[20:44] <teus> i didnt give it much time
[20:44] <PhotoJim> srsrs: I did an rsync backup over ssh last night - and ssh eats up a lot of CPU for its encryption - and I got about 40Mbps throughput. so without encryption, I'd think the Pi could saturate the link.
[20:44] <teus> ok let me check again
[20:44] <srsrs> are there benchmarks?
[20:44] <buZz> do you have a problem or just asking for the heck of it :)
[20:44] <srsrs> hm i see PhotoJim
[20:44] <srsrs> 40mpbs is close to wifi i guess
[20:44] <srsrs> thats not too bad
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> I need a better keyboard - that cheap tesco one is ... well, cheap.
[20:45] <PhotoJim> it's close to maximum theoretical WiFi bandwidth. real life tends to be lower.
[20:45] <PhotoJim> this was on wire.
[20:45] <buZz> i made my own usb keyboard :)
[20:45] <buZz> wanna see?
[20:45] <teus> ok booting again
[20:45] <teus> slow SD card, 4.5Mb/sec
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> PhotoJim, try using blowfish for encryption - it's a bit lighter IIRC.
[20:45] <ziltro> Hey I could do that with a Teensy
[20:45] <teus> i can see on my switch if its up or not
[20:45] <ziltro> I have an old IBM keyboard
[20:45] <buZz> http://gallery.nurdspace.nl/picture.php?/72/category/5 <- my selfmade USB chording keyboard
[20:45] <srsrs> ok thats not bad
[20:45] <srsrs> so i need a fast sd card
[20:45] <buZz> ziltro: i made this with a teensy 2.0 ;)
[20:46] <PhotoJim> gordonDrogon: yes, that's what I use on PuTTy - but I probably haven't configured ssh on my Pi to do that. thanks for the reminder.
[20:46] <buZz> and a 3d printer, of course
[20:46] <ziltro> Is it fast to use once you learn it?
[20:46] <buZz> what is?
[20:46] <ziltro> The chording keyboad
[20:46] <buZz> knowledge in general is
[20:46] <buZz> chording will not break speed records
[20:47] <ziltro> Perhaps you need one on each hand
[20:47] <buZz> i need a free hand to smoke weed
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[20:47] <ziltro> Can't you make a robot for that?
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[20:47] <buZz> i ment sigarettes!
[20:47] <buZz> :P
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[20:47] <ziltro> Because they are good for you...
[20:48] <buZz> no, but i just have a very fragmented brain
[20:48] <buZz> cigs help me keep the fragments together
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[20:48] <ziltro> I'm sure they do.
[20:48] <buZz> :)
[20:48] <buZz> anyway i love my keyboard
[20:49] <buZz> ppl look at it at our hackerspace with interest/disgust
[20:49] <buZz> which is a great combo :)
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> I got into one of those chording keyboards once upon a time. It had 6 buttons. called a quickey or microwriter or something like that.
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> Quinkey.
[20:50] <ziltro> 6 buttons? How many fingers do you have?
[20:50] <buZz> ancient tech
[20:50] <buZz> mine has 7 buttons
[20:50] <buZz> 3 for the thumb
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> trouble is, as soon as I stopped using it, I forgot how to use it again, so unless I kept on using it - which was problematic as I was switching between many different keyboards it was hard.
[20:50] <buZz> gordonDrogon: my plan is to become really fast at it once i use it for IRC ;)
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinkey
[20:51] <srsrs> who produces the rspi?
[20:51] <srsrs> franell and rs?
[20:51] <buZz> RS and farnell
[20:51] <srsrs> farnell*
[20:51] <buZz> and element14
[20:51] <buZz> (which is part of farnell afaik)
[20:52] <srsrs> ah i see
[20:52] <srsrs> so there are two manufacturers of the same product
[20:52] <buZz> they are licensed by the foundation
[20:52] <buZz> to use their deal with broadcom
[20:52] <srsrs> like getting a cheeserburger from burger king and mcdonalds
[20:52] <srsrs> there should be differences
[20:53] <srsrs> which is better?
[20:53] <buZz> to produce this board without ordering 983274982376482368976 chips but only 893274982379842 chips
[20:53] <buZz> better? both are 100% ok
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> they are identical, although the PCBs have some differences in the silkscreens.
[20:53] <buZz> RS sends it in a bigger box
[20:53] <buZz> i would go with the bigger box
[20:53] <buZz> :)
[20:53] <srsrs> buZz: well but there are significant differences between cheeseburgers from burger king or mcdonalds
[20:53] <ziltro> They also have a different recipe.
[20:53] <buZz> srsrs: this is the same product ;)
[20:53] <ziltro> The RPis have the same one.
[20:54] <srsrs> fair point ziltro...
[20:54] <teus> rofl, i dd'ed my zip and not the img :>
[20:54] <srsrs> hehe alright
[20:54] <buZz> teus: jonguh
[20:54] <srsrs> lolol
[20:54] * teus hits self with hammer
[20:55] <ziltro> The two burger manufacturers use different amounts of offal and hoves.
[20:55] <srsrs> but rs offers better cases
[20:55] <srsrs> actually farnell offers no cases at all
[20:55] <srsrs> or i didnt see them
[20:55] <ziltro> There's no one case manufacturere or style, pick whichever you want if you want a case.
[20:56] <srsrs> where would i buy them, on ebay?
[20:56] <srsrs> why cant farnell sell them with the rpi
[20:56] <ziltro> Perhaps, or RS, or wherever.
[20:56] <PhotoJim> off their site usually
[20:56] <srsrs> i dont want to pay shipping twice
[20:56] <ziltro> I wonder if there's room to put a voltage regulator in a case?
[20:56] <PhotoJim> then make one of those cardstock cases. :)
[20:57] <ziltro> And still make it neat.
[20:57] <srsrs> lol PhotoJim
[20:57] <PhotoJim> shipping for two cases from where I ordered cost only 3 quid and change, to Canada. so it's not a lot of cost.
[20:57] <ziltro> You could make a case out of swan skin if you wished.
[20:58] <srsrs> black swan skin
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[20:58] <srsrs> actually farnell is just a distributer it seems
[20:58] <srsrs> so they are probably produced in china
[20:59] <ziltro> Probably.
[20:59] <ziltro> Isn't everything though?
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> no probably about it.
[20:59] <ziltro> Too much tax to produce them in the UK.
[20:59] <srsrs> same with RS, they dont produce
[20:59] <srsrs> so there might be more than two versions of the cheeseburger
[21:00] <srsrs> or only one
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> one version, 2 factories.
[21:00] <srsrs> how do you know?
[21:00] <srsrs> gordonDrogon: maybe 12 factories all over asia
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> why do you care?
[21:00] <buZz> srsrs: NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo
[21:00] <srsrs> and just sold here by rs and farnell
[21:00] <buZz> srsrs: dont get the case at RS
[21:00] <srsrs> buZz: why not?
[21:01] <buZz> its overpriced for the plastic and doesnt fit
[21:01] <srsrs> ah thanks good to know
[21:01] <srsrs> because rs has nice looking cases
[21:01] <buZz> yeah looking nice
[21:01] <buZz> but fitting not so nice
[21:01] <buZz> find someone nearby with a reprap
[21:01] <srsrs> thx
[21:01] <buZz> and print your own case for way below 1 GBP
[21:02] <srsrs> oh
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1640 I quite like that as a concept.
[21:02] <srsrs> you mean the diy 3d printer
[21:02] <ziltro> How many factories are there for the RepRap? ;)
[21:03] <buZz> srsrs: no, i ment the MOST POPULAR 3d printer on the surface of the earth
[21:03] <buZz> ziltro: 0
[21:03] <srsrs> lol ok
[21:03] <ziltro> Is it 0 or is it infinity?!
[21:03] <srsrs> yeah ive seen that before gordonDrogon its cool
[21:03] <buZz> ziltro: actually zero, but not zero
[21:03] <srsrs> just not the best colors
[21:04] <buZz> ziltro: i've seen factories filled with 3d printers, printing printers
[21:04] <ziltro> Each RepRap is a factory...
[21:04] <buZz> there is INSANE margin on printed printer parts
[21:04] <Joe_KD2AKU_Pi> What is the best GUI app for playing MP3 and interment streams? on the Pi that is...
[21:04] <buZz> like 10-15 euro of plastic goes into the set for one printer
[21:04] <buZz> selling it for >100 on ebay
[21:04] <buZz> imho thats HIGHLY immoral
[21:05] <ziltro> Although people are paying for it.
[21:05] <srsrs> Joe_KD2AKU_Pi: xbmc.org
[21:05] <buZz> ziltro: yeah
[21:05] <ziltro> Is the electricity cost high?
[21:05] <ziltro> Saleries, etc.?
[21:05] <Joe_KD2AKU_Pi> sraue, a tad bit of overkill don't you think?
[21:05] <buZz> ziltro: just because people die when they walk into your knife, doesnt mean you should be stabbing everybody
[21:05] <srsrs> actually it is never immoral to sell at market prices if demand and supply are so imbalanced
[21:05] <ziltro> but stabbing is so fun. :)
[21:05] <srsrs> it is quite immoral not to
[21:06] <buZz> well i dont agree with capitalism
[21:06] <buZz> so i'm undermining the market
[21:06] <markllama> well, in certain situations it's called "gouging" but that generally takes place at times of crisis
[21:06] <buZz> under conditions ;)
[21:06] <srsrs> because if you sold it at say $20 for $15 raw plastic then few people would buy all it and hoard it and others would not get any
[21:06] <srsrs> they would build several 3d printers although they only need one
[21:06] <srsrs> and would not treat it well becaue it was so cheap
[21:06] <buZz> i print it for free, provided people send me the plastic, and they build the printer next to me
[21:07] <srsrs> so prices help spread the scarce supply it more fairly
[21:07] <ziltro> But it will have cost you in time and energy use?
[21:07] <buZz> srsrs: you still need about 300 euros of other parts
[21:07] <srsrs> ok
[21:07] <buZz> i have free energy and free time
[21:07] <ziltro> Free energy?
[21:07] <buZz> yeah
[21:07] <ziltro> Bicycle powah? :)
[21:07] <buZz> from the wall
[21:07] <srsrs> all of it*
[21:07] <ziltro> Doesn't that cost?
[21:07] <buZz> not to us ..
[21:07] <ziltro> Oh, hmm.
[21:07] <Stoob> 3d Printers are as of yet a luxury (unfortunately), so they get large margins
[21:08] <ziltro> I want a roof full of solar panels. And to be in Australia.
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[21:08] <buZz> Stoob: it will soon change
[21:08] <Stoob> I don't really see anything wrong with that, the people who are making them are putting down a pretty large investment
[21:08] <Stoob> buZz: I hope so
[21:08] <buZz> i'm just saying, dont buy a 6GBP case that doesnt fit
[21:08] <Stoob> I definitely would agree with that
[21:08] <buZz> find a friendly reprapper and print a fitting one for under 1 GBP
[21:09] <buZz> there are a LOT of reprapper around the world
[21:09] <srsrs> are the things you can print with the reprap really useable?
[21:09] <buZz> and more every day
[21:09] <srsrs> i mean does it not look coarse and clmusy?
[21:09] <buZz> srsrs: yeah PLA is very rigid
[21:10] <srsrs> can you print with colored plastic?
[21:10] <ReggieUK> yup
[21:10] <srsrs> somebody should make a reprapmap like the 13 year old who made a rpi map
[21:10] <srsrs> thats pretty cool
[21:10] <buZz> there IS a reprap map
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[21:11] <srsrs> ah cool
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[21:11] <sirspazzolot> where in lxde would I be able to change a screen resolution? or do I not have that option over rca?
[21:11] <telephaz> shapeways.com will print your design in various materials (the cost is ~30??? though)
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[21:12] <sirspazzolot> and uhh I just had a speed measured in PB/s
[21:13] <Stoob> wat
[21:13] <Stoob> was it 10^-5 PB/s
[21:13] <srsrs> telephaz: wow even pottery
[21:13] <srsrs> will bookmark that
[21:13] <Stoob> jesus thatd only be like my L2 cache speed, jeez.
[21:13] <sirspazzolot> it was like 4000 pb/s unless I misread kb/s
[21:13] <sirspazzolot> but it definitely looked like a capital P
[21:14] <srsrs> lol raspberry pi is a popular tag on shapeways.com
[21:14] <srsrs> http://www.shapeways.com/search/tag?tag=Raspberry+Pi
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[21:16] * sirspazzolot broke lxde apparently
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[21:17] <sirspazzolot> startx just goes to a black screen. tty1 repeats "No protocol specified.." ad infinatum
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[21:17] <sirspazzolot> infinitum*
[21:17] <sirspazzolot> what doee
[21:17] <lrvick> Anyone know the most barebones way to send vairiable voltages out the GPIO pins?
[21:18] <lrvick> PWM to voltage converter of some kind perhaps?
[21:18] <srsrs> i want a reprap
[21:18] <prpplague> lrvick: without knowing more of what you want to accomplish, i'd recommend using an i2c DAC
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, yes. I know a way.
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, copy the circuit on the Pi circuit diagram... it'll work for audio frequencies anyway :)
[21:20] <lrvick> driving an led with variable voltage, for instance. for brighter or softer, for instance
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, just use direct pwm.
[21:20] <teus> oh wow wheezy is 2gb big
[21:20] <teus> thank god i had a 4gb microsd around :V
[21:21] <mm0zct> any guesses at what "if (...message =! 0)" was meant to be?
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[21:22] <mm0zct> (other than what ruined most of my day today)
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[21:23] <rabbidrabbit> mm0zct: what about if(!message)
[21:24] <lrvick> Anyone know an example of how to use pwm to contorl led brightness directly?
[21:24] <mm0zct> yes that would work fine, I was just trying to be explicit for my own sake later because it's an int
[21:24] <buZz> hmmm sake
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <buZz> i want some sake
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <buZz> right now
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <mm0zct> wtf?
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
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[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <buZz> luigi: yes she's pretty good actually
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <buZz> always cleans up etc
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
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[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <MrZYX> ReggieUK: !
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <rabbidrabbit> mm0zct: oh was there an error, or did you want us to see if it was clear?
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:24] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <mm0zct> rabbidrabbit: there was an error
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <mm0zct> =! 0 != != 0
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <rabbidrabbit> mm0zct: it was meant to be if(message != 0)
[21:25] <Timmmaaaayyy> anyone want to help me install vmware view on my pi?
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <teus> baaaaaaaaaaaaaan him
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <ziltro> lrvick: PWM varies duty cycle, which controls the brightness.
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <Timmmaaaayyy> http://code.google.com/p/vmware-view-open-client/wiki/Compiling <--using that, but i'm getting an error
[21:25] <mm0zct> rabbidrabbit: exactly
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <teus> buZz: i never tried sake
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <teus> im a huge weaboo however
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <buZz> teus: sake is really nice
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:25] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <buZz> i once drank nothing but sake for an entire Lowlands festival
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <buZz> it was epic
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <buZz> also i wore a kimono
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <mm0zct> rabbidrabbit: i was getting what looked like memory correcption, and was expecting an = instead of an ==, I've never made a = !0 instead of != 0 before
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <mm0zct> corruption*
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <SwK> lol
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <ziltro> Okay, there is a /ignore on IRC. For some reason I forgot about it. :)
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
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[21:26] <luigi> freenode sucks
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[21:26] <Will|> thank you.
[21:26] <SwK> yay PiBot
[21:26] <buZz> hehe
[21:27] <sirspazzolot> imagine how slow portage would be on a pi
[21:27] <rabbidrabbit> yeah that was correct c, but not what you wanted.
[21:27] <sirspazzolot> I really wanna try gentoo
[21:27] <buZz> sirspazzolot: gentoo is ported to pi
[21:27] <Will|> sirspazzolot: there is a gentoo
[21:27] <mm0zct> anyway, home time at last
[21:27] <sirspazzolot> yeah but I gotta wait for sd cards in the mail D:
[21:27] <Will|> ah lol
[21:27] <Timmmaaaayyy> checking for GLIB... configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.6.0 gmodule-2.0 >= 2.6.0) were not met:
[21:27] <Timmmaaaayyy> how do i fix that?
[21:28] <buZz> sirspazzolot: we have SD cards at the supermarket here in .nl ;)
[21:28] <buZz> between the milk and the cookies
[21:28] <sirspazzolot> sd cards are sold around here too but the markup is ridiculous
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[21:28] <Stoob> yeah same here
[21:28] <Stoob> too bad monoprice doesnt make sd cards
[21:29] <sirspazzolot> I'm getting an 8gb card for like $7 but the same thing is like 30 at the store
[21:29] <sirspazzolot> thank you newegg
[21:29] <rabbidrabbit> Timmmaaaayyy: Do you have glib, gmodule installed?
[21:29] <rabbidrabbit> Timmmaaaayyy: Try installing them with your package manager.
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[21:29] <PigFlu> awesome, there is a pi channel!
[21:29] <sirspazzolot> oh wow I never noticed my irc client has tab autocomplete for names
[21:30] <PigFlu> sirspazzolot: lol.
[21:30] <srsrs> ok see how long it took pibot to compute the ban?
[21:30] <ziltro> Nope, no Pi channel. Nothing to see here.
[21:30] <sirspazzolot> and it took me like two years to learn linux terminals do too :P
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[21:30] <sirspazzolot> srsrs is the bot running on a pi?
[21:30] <Timmmaaaayyy> i tried install glib, but it says "gir1.0-glib-2.0 is already the newest version."
[21:30] <srsrs> there should be a gpu optimized pibot
[21:30] <srsrs> ;)
[21:30] <sirspazzolot> lol
[21:30] <PigFlu> they're not shipping my pi until august, i ordered it like 3-4 weeks ago ;__;
[21:30] <Timmmaaaayyy> can't get it to install gmodule at all
[21:30] <rabbidrabbit> Timmmaaaayyy: wait 2.6.0
[21:30] <rabbidrabbit> Timmmaaaayyy: I don't think that exists.
[21:31] <PigFlu> what should i get ready, apart from a memory card?
[21:31] <ziltro> Wow, I ordered mine last monday and got an e-mail saying it has shipped today.
[21:31] <PigFlu> i can use an SDHC card right?
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[21:31] <Timmmaaaayyy> i installed glib-2.0
[21:31] <PigFlu> ziltro: wtf..
[21:31] <ziltro> Power supply. That's what I don't have... :)
[21:31] <sirspazzolot> memory card, microUSB power cable, HDMI cable or rca video, usb keyboard/mouse
[21:31] <sirspazzolot> a powered usb hub if you want any more than 2 gizmos
[21:31] <rabbidrabbit> Timmmaaaayyy: yeah I don't think that there is a glib-2.0 version that is above 2.6.0
[21:32] <sirspazzolot> cough PigFlu
[21:32] <ziltro> USB GPS receiver for setting date/time if no internet connection
[21:32] <teus> how long does it take to boot raspbian on a slow sd card?
[21:32] <buZz> longer
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[21:32] <buZz> :)
[21:32] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: does wiringpi python support pwm?
[21:32] <rabbidrabbit> Timmmaaaayyy: what are you compiling?
[21:32] <PigFlu> is there only usb-power?
[21:32] <reider59> X.........this long..........................................................................X
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[21:32] <buZz> i have a class10 card and it boots faster than my phone
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[21:32] <lrvick> or what is my best path to using pwm to control led brightness in python...
[21:32] <buZz> PigFlu: you can power the raspi over the GPIO pins
[21:33] <Timmmaaaayyy> http://imgur.com/PsxdO
[21:33] <PigFlu> ah ok
[21:33] <Timmmaaaayyy> i tried install both glib-2.0 (which does install) and gmodule-2.0 (which errors out)
[21:33] <sirspazzolot> oh golly will vmware run on a pi?
[21:33] <reider59> I`d be interested in that too lrvick, sure contrast/brightness can be done
[21:33] <Timmmaaaayyy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok5sKzlH8es&feature=plcp
[21:33] <Timmmaaaayyy> sure will
[21:34] <reider59> It can with a USB LCD Module
[21:34] <srsrs> wow so pi is a thin client
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[21:34] <sirspazzolot> what do you mean srsrs?
[21:34] <teus> fuck
[21:34] <srsrs> i mean
[21:34] <teus> do you need to dd your OS to /dev/sdx1, or /dev/sdx ?
[21:35] <reider59> no need for that in here teus
[21:35] <teus> ok sorry
[21:35] <srsrs> a thin client is a device that only offers screen displaying
[21:35] <srsrs> like vmware view
[21:35] <teus> i wrote to /dev/sda1
[21:35] <ziltro> Do it behind the bike sheds.
[21:35] <srsrs> and the actual computation happens somewhere remotely
[21:35] <Timmmaaaayyy> anyone know what i can do to try to fix my missing dependencies?
[21:35] <sirspazzolot> ah
[21:35] <ziltro> You could use an RPi as like a VT100.
[21:35] <sirspazzolot> it doesn't take input?
[21:35] <teus> :3
[21:35] <lrvick> ok so the pi only has one pwm pin... but how to use that to drive 3 different things. looks like im sol.
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[21:36] <srsrs> can i use an rpi as a windows rdp client?
[21:36] <dogmatic69> srsrs: R-PI runs a full OS. You could make it a thin client
[21:36] <ziltro> Wow, that would be cool. VT100 on HDMI with USB keyboard..
[21:36] <srsrs> yes dogmatic69
[21:36] <rabbidrabbit> Timmmaaaayyy: Sorry. I'm not sure whats going on.
[21:36] <srsrs> ziltro: is there one mainframe on this planet left the hdmi vt100 could connect to?
[21:37] <reider59> I`d be using PWM on the contrast and at least turn brightness off. you can get away with that on the green ones.
[21:37] <ziltro> srsrs: Probably. Maybe in a museum? But it could connect to another Linux machine.
[21:37] <dogmatic69> srsrs: you might be able to even run something like remmina and rdp to other pc's. I remote desktop from my pc to the pi
[21:37] <srsrs> ah right
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[21:38] <Timmmaaaayyy> me either. well thanks anyways. i'll scour the goog
[21:38] <Stoob> lrvick: i thought rpi had 3 pwms, hm
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[21:38] <ziltro> It uses two PWMs for audio output. They might not be counted.
[21:39] <Stoob> hm maybe
[21:39] <rabbidrabbit> Timmmaaaayyy: which distro are you using? Debian, arch, rasbian?
[21:40] <srsrs> raspbian would be a better name btw
[21:40] <Timmmaaaayyy> debian squaaze
[21:40] <rabbidrabbit> Timmmaaaayyy: Right you need to install the devel packages
[21:40] <Timmmaaaayyy> oh yea? how's i do's that's?
[21:40] <rabbidrabbit> Timmmaaaayyy: eg glib2-devel
[21:41] <rabbidrabbit> I assume sudo apt-get install glib2-devel.
[21:41] <reider59> Raspbian is a lot quicker and better than Squeeze. It`s the new recommended Distro now.
[21:41] <rabbidrabbit> TBH I don't use debian, but I think thats right.
[21:41] <Timmmaaaayyy> no bueno
[21:41] <ziltro> 'libglib2.0-dev' on here, I think.
[21:42] <ziltro> Here being Ubuntu.
[21:42] <Timmmaaaayyy> E: Couldn't find any package by regex 'glib2.0-devel'
[21:42] <ziltro> You can type 'sudo apt-get install libglib' and press tab twice.
[21:42] <Timmmaaaayyy> is there some linux secret to know the proper name for a package? i've always wondered that
[21:42] <ziltro> Assuming that works on Debian.
[21:43] <ziltro> 'apt-cache search x' is useful
[21:43] <Timmmaaaayyy> holy crap there's 40,000 things
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[21:43] <Timmmaaaayyy> lol
[21:43] <ziltro> where 'x' is 'glib' or 'libglib'
[21:44] <rabbidrabbit> you could try using aptitude if you prefer.
[21:45] <Timmmaaaayyy> ahh snap...making progress
[21:46] <Timmmaaaayyy> now it's something different. we've made it past the initial error
[21:46] <Timmmaaaayyy> thanks everyone
[21:48] <Treibholz> is there an xorg-driver or is fbdev the only option?
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[22:04] <sirspazzolot> is a 2gb sd card too small for raspbian
[22:04] <Treibholz> sirspazzolot: no, fits fine.
[22:04] <sirspazzolot> it was working fine yesterday but today it's saying there's no space left on the device, and I haven't added anything
[22:04] <sirspazzolot> sigh
[22:05] <Stoob> try an apt-get clean
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[22:05] <Stoob> apt likes to keep the files it downloads in a bit of a cache
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[22:06] <sirspazzolot> gotcha
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[22:11] <teus> my RBP has raspbian now
[22:11] <teus> it doesnt come online when i check my switch
[22:11] <teus> i dont have a screen on it
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[22:14] <sirspazzolot> startx just returns "no protocol specified" a million times
[22:14] <sirspazzolot> what do
[22:14] <sirspazzolot> I've done rpi-update and installed the bootc kernel, that's pretty much it
[22:15] <reider59> wipe it and start over
[22:15] <sirspazzolot> that's what I want to do but I should probably learn how to fix x things
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[22:35] <vjacob> any one of you hang out in channels that revolve around DIY, "make magazine" or other building projects?
[22:36] <chandoo> hello
[22:36] <chandoo> how to watch split screen videos on computer monitor
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> vjacob, no, but it's stiff that a lot of us are 'into' ...
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[22:43] <vjacob> aye. I guess there's also #arduino
[22:43] <vjacob> and the various hackspace channels.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> I look at #arduino from time to time.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> my 'local' hackspace isn't well attended or equipped )-:
[22:44] <Stoob> yeah there's like #arduino, ##electronics, maybe ##hardware
[22:45] <Stoob> #raspberrypi also tends to have people with that mentality but clearly its about the raspi and not diy in general
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[22:45] <vjacob> thanks Stoob, gordonDrogon
[22:46] <Stoob> lol forgot i am in #raspberrypi
[22:46] <Stoob> hurpdurp dont mind me
[22:47] <vjacob> well your last message still holds value in that this might be exactly the right space for chat about DIY projects.
[22:47] <vjacob> of course there's also the various compsoc channels (mostly UK students)
[22:48] <Gabtendo> Ironically, I've spent ~$130 on my Raspberry Pi + accessories
[22:48] <Stoob> lol that's generally how it goes
[22:48] <vjacob> heh.
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[22:48] <Gabtendo> >.<
[22:48] <Stoob> I've tried to maintain a minimum of spending and i've still spent probably at least double the original $35 spec
[22:49] <Gabtendo> I've just been buying the parts I KNOW will work and work GOOD
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[22:49] * vjacob just set up an inexpensive webcam to do simple motion "cctv style" and uploading to dropbox/ftp
[22:49] <vjacob> it literally 10 minutes following two scrolls of a web page. anyone can do it.
[22:50] <buZz> i was suprised that i didnt get an _instant_ good picture of a xbox360 live vision webcam with uvccapture :)
[22:50] <vjacob> and of course I never got around to installing software from the bundled CD, it was just... plug it in and yum update
[22:50] <Gabtendo> just realized I need an HDMI to DVI
[22:50] <Gabtendo> another $7
[22:50] <Gabtendo> >.<
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[22:55] <Dagger2> uh, you can get those adaptors for negligable amounts on eBay (e.g. http://cgi.ebay.com/261012627123)
[22:55] <WASDx> Success at last! http://i.imgur.com/3BYPJ.jpg
[22:55] <WASDx> I've been working on that thing for hours
[22:55] <Dagger2> probably slightly more if you want it from a local seller...
[22:57] <Stoob> Dagger2: I prefer monoprice for all my adapter needs, though i think they're a liittle more expensive than the minimum ebay price
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[22:57] <Stoob> but everytime i order from there i order like a million things
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[22:58] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, eek :) hairy monster designs :)
[22:58] <WASDx> I don't have any other breadboard
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, are the IC's shift-regsiters?
[22:59] <WASDx> 595 yes
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> So the display is fully static.
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[23:00] <Dagger2> Stoob: $31 shipping... I think I'll stick with ebay.co.uk myself :)
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[23:00] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, did you see my multiplexed one?
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[23:01] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/led2.jpg
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[23:02] <mikma> gordondrogon: quite nice
[23:02] <WASDx> I've seen that image yes
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[23:02] <gordonDrogon> mikma, the article is at: https://projects.drogon.net/7-segment-led-display-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[23:02] <Stoob> Dagger2: lol ah in the UK, huh. It's $5 overnight shipping for me :P
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> WASDx, I liked the minimalistic approach :)
[23:02] <mikma> wasdx: overclocked?
[23:03] <WASDx> mikma: nope
[23:03] <WASDx> original clock speeds
[23:03] <WASDx> I just had that heatsink, might as well put it on
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[23:03] <mikma> wasdx: that's nice, looks like a heatsink from gfx card silencing kit of somesort
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[23:05] <Stoob> Yeah I want that heatsink
[23:05] <Stoob> I don't have any good ones though
[23:06] <mikma> same
[23:06] <xarragon> Adjusting the overscan settings on my raspberry allowed me to trim in the composite video. Thanks for the help guys.
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[23:07] <xarragon> gordonDrogon: I belive it was you who told me, so thanks.
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[23:07] <WASDx> Stoob: I could mail you one for free if you live in sweden otherwise the shipping will be too high i suppose.
[23:07] <Stoob> yeaaaaaaah im definitely not in sweden
[23:08] * xarragon is, however (Hi fellow Swede!)
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[23:09] <mikma> http://www.jimms.fi/tuote/BMR-C1L
[23:10] <Tachyon`> http://mtdevans.com/projects/barcode/
[23:10] <Tachyon`> lol
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[23:12] <gordonDrogon> xarragon, can't remember, but glad you're going!
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[23:16] <mikma> oh nice...
[23:16] <mikma> http://koodinvuoksi.net/thermalright-8800gt-pwn-heat-sink-p-1724.html
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[23:26] <home> so
[23:26] <home> I have some great news
[23:26] <home> I might be able to get a deal locally for a rasp berry pi for 60 dollars
[23:26] <home> I live in Canada...
[23:26] <r00t|home> fruitcake project was cancelled?
[23:27] <r00t|home> ah, damn
[23:27] <home> do you guys think getting a raspberry pi locally for 60 bucks is a good deal?
[23:27] <home> or should I wait a few months?
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[23:29] <likarish> Production is now at 4,000 units a day
[23:29] <likarish> so if you want to save some cash, then just order and wait
[23:30] <Gabtendo> I ordered a raspberry pi from element4u yesterday
[23:30] <Gabtendo> their estimated shipping date is tomorrow
[23:30] <Gabtendo> so...*shrug*
[23:30] <home> I see
[23:30] <likarish> That's awesome. I ordered in April and had to wait until last week :P
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[23:30] <home> likerish: Thats how many months?
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[23:31] <Gabtendo> now their estimated shipping date is the middle of august
[23:31] <Gabtendo> so...
[23:31] <likarish> 3 mos
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[23:31] <home> Gabtendo: when you order 0_0
[23:31] <Gabtendo> They might have just accidentally the new shipment to new orders instead of already-ordered
[23:31] <likarish> my estimated shipping date was also middle of aug
[23:31] <Gabtendo> home: I ordered it yesterday.
[23:31] <home> and it is due to arrive at?
[23:31] <Gabtendo> 3 days from now?
[23:31] <Gabtendo> *shrug*
[23:32] <Gabtendo> that is, unless they accidentally their shipping date and it's NOT shipping tomorrow
[23:32] <Gabtendo> I was prepared to wait like 5 weeks, so eh
[23:32] <home> will that happen
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[23:32] <Gabtendo> Only time will tell.
[23:32] <home> I heard something like that happened before
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[23:32] <Gabtendo> I'll tell you two days from now.
[23:33] <home> -.-
[23:33] <home> lol
[23:33] <home> hahha
[23:33] <home> So should I order one also
[23:33] <home> were are you btw
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[23:33] <home> I am in like Canada
[23:33] <home> I think availability in UK is higher...than here
[23:33] <Gabtendo> I'm in the USA
[23:34] <Gabtendo> when I ordered they said they had an availability to ship immediately
[23:34] <Gabtendo> now it says they have an availability of 0
[23:34] <Gabtendo> so....
[23:35] <home> give me their link..quick XD
[23:35] <home> I want to see if they have any available
[23:35] <Snuffeluffegus> lol
[23:36] <Gabtendo> http://export.farnell.com/rp/order/
[23:36] <Gabtendo> *shrug*
[23:36] <Gabtendo> Is the Raspberry Pi made in China?
[23:36] <Tachyon`> probably
[23:36] <Tachyon`> who cares
[23:37] <Gabtendo> I don't want none of this non-Chinese made shit
[23:37] <Tachyon`> lol
[23:37] <Gabtendo> China makes all the best stuff
[23:37] <Snuffeluffegus> I'd think they'd have to have it produced there to get it so cheap
[23:37] <Tachyon`> except electrolytics
[23:37] <home> quantity: 1+
[23:37] <home> think I should order
[23:37] <home> lol
[23:37] <Tachyon`> they can't seem to produce a good electrolytic cap to save their lives -.-
[23:37] <Gabtendo> home: go for it?
[23:37] <plugwash> China are a cheap place to get processes that are either dirty or labour intensive done
[23:37] <home> 5 weeks
[23:37] <plugwash> like assembly
[23:37] <home> is freaking...0_0
[23:38] <home> 60 dollah, and get it soon
[23:38] <home> or 35 dollar + shipping and get it in 5 weeks
[23:38] <home> wat shall I equate with what
[23:38] <Snuffeluffegus> well if it makes you feel any better I've been waiting 2 years for my openPandora
[23:38] <Berry_HK> home: i will have to wait for 11 weeks
[23:39] <home> time spent hacking, or time spent....saving money
[23:39] <Berry_HK> its ok with me
[23:39] <home> Berry_HK: why?
[23:39] <home> Berry_HK: Why 11 weeks
[23:39] <Berry_HK> RS is slow i guess
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[23:40] <vjacob> Gabtendo, can you mention anything that you would buy that is _not_ made in China? :p
[23:40] <Berry_HK> at least that was stated in my confirmation
[23:40] <Berry_HK> vjacob: USA build it the new old-skool china quality
[23:41] <home> 11 weeks and 5 weeks
[23:41] <home> dammmn
[23:41] <Berry_HK> it=is
[23:42] <Berry_HK> (Despatch expected within 11 week(s))
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[23:44] <xarragon> Raspberry makes me remeber why I was so glad to get rid of composite anal signals in the first place..
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[23:45] <mikma> <+Gabtendo> China makes all the best stuff <- that's so BTTF1
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[23:48] <home> heres my math its at 51.01 right now + shipping is 20$ i sell to you for 65$ i lose? no thanks good luck in auction
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[23:49] <home> sigh
[23:49] <home> guess I will have to do it the long way
[23:49] <home> fuck life
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