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IRC Log for 2012-07-24

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[0:04] <ReggieUK> grrr
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[0:04] <ReggieUK> can I remind you all of the channel rule about 'no foul language'
[0:04] <Stoob> You can
[0:05] <Stoob> but they probably won't understand such soft language
[0:05] <chris_99> anyone used an SSR with a RPi
[0:05] <SwK> does that mean no talking about birds?
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[0:06] <mm0zct> SSR?
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[0:07] <ziltro> No, that's fowl language.
[0:07] <Berry_HK> SSR?
[0:08] <ziltro> So it is okay to talk about cocks and hens, as they are fowl and not foul. :)
[0:08] <mm0zct> it's still dreadfully off topic unless you are controlling chicken feed with a raspberry pi
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[0:08] <webclimber> good afternoon??? Anyone has a good pointer to how to build a raspberry pi toolchain on mac osx ? I am looking to compile on the mac and deploy on the rpi
[0:08] <mm0zct> chris_99: what is an SSR?
[0:08] <chris_99> Solid State Relay
[0:08] <mm0zct> ah
[0:09] <ziltro> That would be a good project.
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[0:09] <mm0zct> no I have not used one, just logic buffers so far
[0:09] <chris_99> what for mm0zct?
[0:10] <mm0zct> bitbanging JTAG to an FPGA board that only does 2.5V logic, and isn't 3.3v safe
[0:10] <ziltro> There's 2.5v now as well?
[0:10] <SwK> you could probably use a SSR with the RP off the gpio, but you'd probably want some sort of driver in there to isolate it
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[0:11] <SwK> probably lift the schematics from an arduino project
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[0:11] <chris_99> the SSR should have an opto-isolator in i believe
[0:11] <mm0zct> http://mm0zct.tumblr.com/ is where I'm slowly writing it up, I gotthe final adapter soldered together on saturday
[0:11] <ziltro> Are SSRs capable of high current?
[0:11] <ziltro> Or are they still stupid expensive?
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[0:12] <chris_99> around a tenner off ebay ziltro
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[0:12] <chris_99> and they can do 80A
[0:12] <ziltro> Ooh, and can they switch AC and DC?
[0:12] <ziltro> Wow.
[0:12] <ziltro> I was thinking 10 A.
[0:12] <chris_99> i need a 50A one for a heater element
[0:12] <Jungle-Boogie> Anyone know of a bluetooth dongle that can be purchased in the US that works with the pi?
[0:12] <PigFlu> >50 A
[0:12] <ziltro> At 230 V?
[0:12] <PigFlu> dude, do you even know how much that is
[0:12] <chris_99> yes
[0:13] <ziltro> 50 A is half a house.
[0:13] <SwK> 50A @ 230 is most of a house lol
[0:13] <chris_99> was that to me PigFlu
[0:13] <PigFlu> yes
[0:13] <SwK> thats like 10KW
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[0:13] <ziltro> Well, mose houses I've seen have a 100 A fuse.
[0:13] <chris_99> yes, it's a 7KW heater
[0:13] <ziltro> Not that you'd want to run it at that level.
[0:13] <ziltro> I've used around 80 A of lighting on stage and you don't need any other heating.
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[0:13] <Stoob> Yeah but most circuits are 15A for the wall outlets
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[0:14] <ziltro> In USA.
[0:14] <chris_99> it's going to be on it's own ring main Stoob
[0:14] <Stoob> and yeah lighting is absurd
[0:14] <ziltro> 16 or 20 A in most of the ret of the world I believe.
[0:14] <Stoob> gosh you guys and your worldliness
[0:14] <chris_99> ring mains is ~30A in UK
[0:14] <chris_99> normally
[0:14] <ziltro> Or 32 A rings in the UK because it is mental here.
[0:14] <Stoob> @ 230V?
[0:14] <ziltro> UK is all 230 V.
[0:14] <mm0zct> I have to remember that americans run at 110v, and mentally halve the current in my head for power estiamtes
[0:14] <Stoob> jesus christ
[0:15] <plugwash> officially it's 230, practically it tends to be somewherebetween 240 and 250
[0:15] <ziltro> USA has both 115 and 230 V in one, in most houses. ;)
[0:15] <SwK> you guys gotta keep in mind that 32A @ 230 is like a 65A 115 in the US
[0:15] <ziltro> It is complicated.
[0:15] <plugwash> at least that is my experience in the UK
[0:15] <mm0zct> it use to be 240 in the uk, we settled on 230 when we standardised with europe iirc
[0:15] <ziltro> plugwash: It is, I believe, both 240 V ?? 6% and 230 V ?? 10%
[0:16] <Jungle-Boogie> anyone have experience with bluetooth with the pi?
[0:16] <ziltro> The latter being the current EU standard, and includes the whole range of the former.
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[0:16] <piksel> Jungle-Boogie, aye
[0:16] <Stoob> I believe US standard is 120 isn't it?
[0:16] <Stoob> 120 NOMINAL
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[0:16] <plugwash> mm0zct, it still is they just pretend it's 230 to keep the eurocrats happy
[0:16] <ziltro> The tollerence in voltage in the EU was made wide enough to include the UK as-is, so nothing changed here.
[0:16] <SwK> 110 to 120
[0:16] <SwK> depends on where you are lol
[0:17] <ziltro> New installations might actually aim for 230 V.
[0:17] <plugwash> we do have fused plugs in the UK though so while our socket circuits are very high rated the flexes are still well protected
[0:17] <ziltro> But the USA and Canada and possibly most 115 V countries have 230 V as well, with three wires coming into the house.
[0:17] <Jungle-Boogie> piksel, i'm looking for a bt dongle but I can't seem to find any to buy on amazon. what BT are you using?
[0:18] <SwK> Stoob: US residential power is actually 2 - 110v phases for 220v input into the house
[0:18] <ziltro> I actually installed a couple of new circuits in the UK for sockets, and I used 20 A radials because I'm cool. ;)
[0:18] <SwK> Stoob: then in most recepts you only get 1 phase connected to a common...
[0:18] <ziltro> I've done some wiring in the USA, including a 230 V pool pump.
[0:19] <ziltro> Any large household items in the USA are likely to use 230 V, plus 115 V for a light or controls.
[0:19] <SwK> most large appliances like Electric Dryers, Pool Pumps, electric cooktops HVAC units are fed off the 220
[0:19] <ziltro> So if there ever were a worldwide standard voltage it would be 230 V or thereabouts.
[0:19] <Stoob> SwK: officially it's 120
[0:20] <Stoob> though yes usually it's broken down from multiphase
[0:20] <SwK> Stoob: officially and what you actually get are 2 different things lol
[0:20] <SwK> the US electric grid is a massive mess
[0:20] <Stoob> I've checked quite a few places and almost every time I get 120volts, with a few outliers at like 117 or so
[0:20] <SwK> its amazing we havent had more regional blackouts then we have
[0:21] <ziltro> I have wondered if it would be possible to make the high-voltage distribution all DC.
[0:21] <Stoob> it wouldn't
[0:21] <plugwash> I don't think the european grid is that much better
[0:21] <piksel> Jungle-Boogie, the case is long gone, but on my stock-debian it showed what chip it used. for some reason its only a "generic bt device" on raspbian.
[0:21] <ziltro> Modern electronics mean it could be done, I believe. There are high voltage DC links.
[0:21] <SwK> ziltro: you realize "High Voltage DC" is anything over like 12v...
[0:21] <ziltro> 500 kV 'twixt UK and France for example.
[0:21] <Stoob> yeahhh, but for long distance links it just ends up being nearly impossible
[0:21] <SwK> ziltro: even messed with -48vdc in a datacenter?
[0:22] <ziltro> SwK: High is comparative... :)
[0:22] <plugwash> in particular the european grid often has very weak interconnections between countries, I remember a few years back italy dropped off the european grid and had massive blackouts
[0:22] <Jungle-Boogie> piksel, but you're able to use BT with it?
[0:22] <plugwash> and another incident where western europe became split from eastern europe
[0:22] <ziltro> Is there any reason long distance high (eg. 500 kV) voltage DC wouldn't work?
[0:22] <SwK> ziltro: by definition... high voltage DC is defined as anything over like 12VDC... where as the definition for high voltage AC is a much higher voltage
[0:23] <plugwash> SwK, that is certainly not the case in the UK
[0:23] <Stoob> ziltro: well, it would work fine, it'd just be much more costly than ac
[0:23] <plugwash> dunno about where you live
[0:23] <plugwash> "low voltage" here is defined as up to 1000V AC or up to 1500V DC IIRC
[0:23] <Stoob> only reason anyone does DC power transfer is when AC is difficult (mismatched frequencies etc)
[0:23] <ziltro> Stoob: Why is that? I thougth switched-mode converters would be more effecient?
[0:24] <SwK> switch mode converters are very lossy
[0:24] <piksel> Jungle-Boogie, yeah. got t connecting to both my pc and my bt gps
[0:24] <ziltro> But valves use 90 V HT... :)
[0:24] <ziltro> Or, some do. That's a common voltage.
[0:24] <plugwash> ziltro, my understanding is that while small switchers are more efficient an economical than small line frequency transformers the opposite is true at large power levels
[0:24] <Jungle-Boogie> piksel, did you ever try out bluelog? http://www.digifail.com/software/bluelog.shtml
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[0:25] <ziltro> Ah okay.
[0:25] <Stoob> ziltro: it's possible that you could get em more efficient, I believe the initial outlay is what kills you, though I honestly havent seen any prices
[0:26] <ziltro> I was also wondering how high DC voltage could go
[0:26] <ziltro> I believe AC has issues with coronal discharge which limits the maximum, not sure if that applies to DC.
[0:28] <piksel> Jungle-Boogie, nope, just bluez bluez-tools (?) and tried some graphical frontend
[0:28] <Stoob> it does, but since DC doesn't have the peaks above/below RMS I think you might be able to go higher
[0:28] <ziltro> Ah, yes of course.
[0:29] <ziltro> so 858kV
[0:29] <ziltro> assuming 500kV is RMS
[0:29] <piksel> (sorry for the slow responses, apt-getting stole all the cpu cycles (im writing from my pi))
[0:30] <Stoob> lol
[0:31] <Jungle-Boogie> piksel, thanks for the info. I think I may try this out but i can't seem to find any specs on it: https://www.dealextreme.com/p/super-mini-bluetooth-2-0-adapter-dongle-vista-compatible-16229?r=58964868
[0:31] <ziltro> Vista Compatible! :)
[0:31] <Stoob> lol
[0:32] <Stoob> love those tiny usb devices
[0:32] <Jungle-Boogie> yeah, not helpful at all!
[0:32] <piksel> Jungle-Boogie, the cambridge silicon chips is the ones that works iirc, afraid to open that link on the pi :D
[0:32] <Stoob> I cant wait to see ones that literally do not stick out of the slot at all
[0:32] <ziltro> Then how would you remove them?
[0:32] <piksel> magnet?
[0:32] <Stoob> loop
[0:33] <ziltro> ???Note: you must install the software on the included CD. This dongle cannot use the native Windows bluetooth driver stack.???
[0:33] <ziltro> Sounds aweful. :)
[0:34] <ziltro> But if there's a Linux driver it'll be fine.
[0:34] <piksel> hm, couldbe bs tho. ive yet to find a bt adapter that did not work with winbt, although not all functionality
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[0:34] <Jungle-Boogie> i really would like one of the cambridge ones but I can't find a place online in US to buy
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[0:36] <ziltro> The only place I've seriously used Bluetooth was a Mac Mini, which allowed you to install the O/S using a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
[0:37] <Jungle-Boogie> I'm interested in trying http://www.digifail.com/software/bluelog.shtml
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[0:37] <Jungle-Boogie> if the BT thing wont work on the pi, it will probably woork on other machines
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[0:38] <piksel> justifying a buy? :)
[0:38] <Jungle-Boogie> hehe
[0:38] <Jungle-Boogie> it seems that way!
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[1:00] <zgreg> hm. why are people still bothering with fedora on the pi?
[1:00] <zgreg> e.g. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=7063
[1:01] <mm0zct> some people like fedora?
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[1:02] <zgreg> yes, but the port is in pretty bad shape, and that is documented
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[1:03] <Jungle-Boogie> i'd like fedora
[1:04] <Jungle-Boogie> on the pi
[1:12] <Tobias|> ok
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[1:14] <plugwash> AIUI the fedora guys kinda blew things, promising a lot but ending up delivering an image that gave users lots of problems
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[1:15] <Hexxeh> wasn't that project backed by some uni?
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[1:18] <Kayleigh> hi
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[1:21] <Jungle-Boogie> hey
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[3:08] <Skeeter-> how do u flash the 2gb .img on a 32gb sd card?
[3:08] <Dyskette> Same way you would for a smaller card.
[3:09] <Dyskette> You'll just have a set of partitions that only use the first 2GB.
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[3:09] <Skeeter-> ?
[3:09] <Dyskette> You can resize the partitions and filesystems after the fact, though.
[3:09] <Dyskette> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[3:09] <Skeeter-> because with my 32gb card, i get lots of ccorruption, fsck is ok... but with my 2gb everything is fine
[3:10] <Skeeter-> i checked that, and i know a lil linux
[3:10] <Skeeter-> just make a 2gb partion and dd on it?
[3:11] <Dyskette> You should be dd'ing to the raw device, not a partition on it...
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[3:11] <Skeeter-> i tried
[3:11] <Skeeter-> lots of error at runtime
[3:11] <Skeeter-> gui wont start, apt-get upgrade crashses, etc
[3:11] <Dyskette> Probably an incompatible card, then.
[3:11] <Dyskette> It happens.
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[3:12] <Dyskette> The Pi is apparently fairly picky.
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[3:13] <Skeeter-> Dyskette: 2gb sd card works like a charm tho
[3:13] <Dyskette> Which indicates that it, unlike the 32gb card, is not incompatible with the Pi.
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[3:20] <NullMoogleCable> hi
[3:21] <NullMoogleCable> so what would be better to use. a sd card or fast usb 2.0 thumbdrive?
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[3:22] <Dyskette> Well, you'll need the SD card for the firmware any which way, but there are lots of reports of things being faster with rootfs on a USB stick.
[3:26] <hotwings> NullMoogleCable - depends what youre after. speed and reliability are not a given with either sd cards, or usb sticks
[3:26] <hotwings> either can blow the other out of the water
[3:27] <Dyskette> The SD card driver is a good bit slower than the USB at the moment, though.
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[3:40] <NullMoogleCable> hmmm
[3:41] <NullMoogleCable> what does 6 fast ready blinks mean on poweron
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[3:47] <Skeeter-> any guide to boot usb?
[3:48] <ReggieUK> hey nullmooglecable
[3:49] <NullMoogleCable> hi
[3:50] <ReggieUK> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern
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[3:52] <ReggieUK> try recopying the start.elf from whichever memory split that you want
[3:52] <ReggieUK> cd /boot
[3:53] <ReggieUK> cp arm192_start.elf start.elf
[3:53] <ReggieUK> sync
[3:53] <ReggieUK> obviously /boot is the boot partition mounted on your pc
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[4:15] <NullMoogleCable> how hard would it be to cluster 2 -3 together? im thinking 1 for basic system fucntion 1 for i/o and another for pure video
[4:16] <ReggieUK> shouldn't be that difficult depending entirely what you want it to do
[4:16] <ReggieUK> brb
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[4:16] <plugwash> NullMoogleCable, the problem is you don't have any means of fast interconnection
[4:17] <plugwash> so if you need more reasources than a single Pi can offer AND you can break your system down into fairly loosly coupled peices then you can probablly make it work
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[4:17] <plugwash> but you need to design your system to keep communication between the peices to a minimum
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[4:17] <NullMoogleCable> well there is the camera input and the lcd out
[4:18] <plugwash> there is but they are hooked up to the GPU which is broadcoms domain
[4:19] <plugwash> so unless the foundation release a DSI-CSI high speed pi hookup kit (which I think is unlikely) and GPU software to drive it that is not an option
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[4:34] <Skeeter-> how hard would it be to cluster 2-3 pi for xbmc?
[4:34] <Skeeter-> i wish it had ehternet 1gb
[4:35] <sheppard> Skeeter-: having 3 share the gpu load?
[4:35] <Skeeter-> yeah but how
[4:35] <sheppard> not happening easily
[4:35] <hotwings> Skeeter- for the cost of 3, just get an atom/ion system that works great for htpc
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[4:37] <Skeeter-> model C => ehtern 1gb/s?
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[4:39] <Stoob> Skeeter-: the ethernet is connected via USB, which means that it has a maximum theoretical throughput of 480Mbit/s, and it's very unlikely that it'd get even close to that. I'm extremely doubtful that 1Gb/s ethernet will ever show up on any version of the raspberry pi
[4:40] <plugwash> depends how long the Pi family lasts
[4:40] <Skeeter-> odroid-x ftw then
[4:41] <Skeeter-> nvm
[4:41] <plugwash> 10 years time we could all be using "pimedes" with multiple gigabytes of ram and gigabit ethernet
[4:41] <plugwash> having upgraded from our "pi master 1024" machines
[4:44] <NullMoogleCable> could use the gpio as a data buss
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[4:45] <sheppard> is that anywheres near fast enough?
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[4:49] <NullMoogleCable> well with the spi in theroy you can get 125 MHz
[4:49] <plugwash> sheppard, i'm not sure anyone knows, the device has some pretty fast SPI engines
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[4:50] <plugwash> but how fast you can actually run them on a Pi before signal integrity breaks down I don't think anyone knows
[4:50] <NullMoogleCable> so how fast can you communicate to other pi boards with spi?
[4:51] <plugwash> I don't think anyone knows
[4:51] <NullMoogleCable> sounds like a challange!
[4:52] <techsurvivor> do you have two RPi's ?
[4:52] <plugwash> The problem is for high speed stuff careful routing and integrity control is required
[4:52] <plugwash> and I very much doubt that was done for the GPIO pins on the Pi
[4:52] <plugwash> so the question is "how fast can you go before it breaks down due to signal integrity"
[4:53] <plugwash> also i'm not sure how deep the FIFOs are
[4:53] <plugwash> which may also limit the data rate you can sustain
[4:53] <techsurvivor> it depends on distance, pcb board materials etc, I'd be surprised if you got much higher than 10-20MHz clock with boards very near each other
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[4:54] <NullMoogleCable> but with spi or i2c + 6-8 io as a databus
[4:55] <techsurvivor> that's not spi or i2c, that's a parallel bus :)
[4:55] <NullMoogleCable> exactly
[4:56] <techsurvivor> i thought we were talkign about spi :) is all I guess.
[4:56] <plugwash> the trouble with a paralell bus is I don't think you will have any hardware help
[4:57] <plugwash> so you will be limited by how fast you can software bit-bang stuff
[4:57] <plugwash> and you will basically have to dedicate the CPUs at both ends to the bit-banging during the transfer
[4:58] <techsurvivor> yep, no dedicated hardware. that will gobble up cpu quickly
[4:58] <NullMoogleCable> hmmm usb?
[4:58] <techsurvivor> and unless you have some "Hey slow down lines" you can quickly have buffer overruns :)
[4:58] <plugwash> USB might be reasonable in future if someone can figure out how to put the port on a Pi in device mode
[4:59] <plugwash> and the Pi model A actually becomes available (the B has that hub with ethernet in the way)
[4:59] <techsurvivor> that would be cool
[4:59] <techsurvivor> just use ethernet lol
[4:59] <techsurvivor> much easier than usb!
[5:00] <NullMoogleCable> how long should quake 3 take to compile?
[5:01] <DaQatz> 7 days
[5:01] <DaQatz> >.>
[5:01] <DaQatz> <.<
[5:01] * plugwash didn't think it was quite that bad
[5:01] <DaQatz> plugwash: It's not
[5:01] <NullMoogleCable> im on my 3rd hour...
[5:01] <DaQatz> That's why I did the <.< >.>
[5:01] <DaQatz> thing
[5:02] <techsurvivor> good lord
[5:02] <techsurvivor> can't you cross compile it?
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[5:02] <techsurvivor> or too hard to get all the dependencies together?
[5:02] * plugwash was surprised that our chromium build for raspbian only took thirty-something hours
[5:02] <plugwash> was expecting it to be longer
[5:03] <plugwash> though that was on an IMX not a Pi
[5:03] <techsurvivor> would it compile quicker across an nfs mount?
[5:03] <plugwash> I dread to think how long it would take on a Pi
[5:04] <techsurvivor> does the qemu environment work better for that ? I've only done the cross compiler for the kernel
[5:05] <plugwash> IIRC for building chromium qemu-user on a fast multicore box is faster than native building on an IMX board
[5:06] <plugwash> and cross-compiling is probablly quicker still
[5:06] <NullMoogleCable> is there a eagle lib for the io on the pi?
[5:06] <NullMoogleCable> im feeling lazy
[5:06] <plugwash> but meh, someone sent me a patch so I threw it at our autobuilders and on the third attempt managed to get it to complete
[5:06] <plugwash> and so we have a chromium package in the repo
[5:07] <plugwash> the first attempt died for unknown reasons without producing a log, the second attempt died with a timeout and the third attempt (after adding a zero to the timeout) completed
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[5:10] <NullMoogleCable> is there a eagle lib for the io on the pi?
[5:12] <ReggieUK> nope
[5:13] <ReggieUK> it's a 2x13 0.1" header :)
[5:13] <ReggieUK> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[5:13] <NullMoogleCable> i know but i was hopeing someone made a generic shield
[5:13] <ReggieUK> gertboard
[5:14] <NullMoogleCable> for eagle
[5:14] <NullMoogleCable> like the layout
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[6:22] <Gabtendo> I can't get over how sexy the pibow looks
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[6:24] <sirspazzolot> how does one change screen resolution in lxde? or can I not do that over rca for some reason?
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[6:41] <zarac> Now i Using raspbian, is there some keyboard to switch between input method? All of the sudden when i hit shift-2 i get " instead of @. I just typed @ two lines ago (using shift-2) for an scp command. Now after transfer it has changed, and i cannot scroll up (due to scroll limits) to get clues of what i might have pressed.
[6:42] <zarac> lol @ that english (- Now i)
[6:42] <zarac> and it should be keyboard _shortcut_ / mapping
[6:43] <Gabtendo> I moved into my dorm room
[6:44] <Gabtendo> I have the dorm room to myself
[6:44] <Gabtendo> my neighbor came in and thought my raspberry pi looked like skynet
[6:44] <Gabtendo> It has quite the assortment of cords running to it from around the room
[6:44] <Gabtendo> >.<
[6:44] <Gabtendo> and a 1m cord is like half the room
[6:44] <Gabtendo> so...
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[6:50] <xiambax> Any canadians in here?
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[6:56] <GriffenJBS> wow people here, I've been trying the webchat client for the last few hours and no luck
[6:56] <xiambax> What OS are you running?
[6:56] <GriffenJBS> it shows the room with 1 or two here, like a newsplit, but the bot logs show otherwise
[6:56] <GriffenJBS> *netsplit
[6:57] <Syliss> hmm
[6:58] <GriffenJBS> oh well ... on to other problems ...
[6:58] <xiambax> Download a real irc client ;)
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[7:10] <GriffenJBS> xiambax: that's one possiblity, as is several other possibilites, a website is nice in chrome, it restores after a power outage
[7:10] <xiambax> I can't remember the last time the power went out at my place
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[7:15] <GriffenJBS> xiam, move closer to the equator, lighting does that to things
[7:15] * Mr_Sheesh_AFK is now known as Mr_Sheesh
[7:15] <GriffenJBS> some of my systems have UPSs but this one does not
[7:17] <xiambax> Ah
[7:17] <xiambax> I lived in Saskatchewan
[7:17] <xiambax> I know all to well about electrical storms
[7:18] <xiambax> I live in the mountains of BC now. We don't really get storms like that here
[7:18] <xiambax> Just epic pow days
[7:18] <GriffenJBS> So ... back to the rpi, I have a strange mouse, once I plug it in the syslog records lots of connection events, and then rejects it saying it's 'not an MTP device', or an error -71
[7:18] <xiambax> mtp devices are usually phones or other media players
[7:18] <xiambax> its a file transfer standard
[7:18] <xiambax> do you have any media apps open?
[7:21] <GriffenJBS> not that I know of, pi with raspian, booted to the login prompt
[7:22] <GriffenJBS> the mouse is USB 0a81:0101, I'm googling to that, maybe it's that brand/design
[7:22] <xiambax> Do you have anything else plugged in? Its weird it would moan about mtp like that
[7:24] <GriffenJBS> the usb has a few items, wifi/hub on the pu, keyboard/mouse on the hub
[7:25] <xiambax> What happens if you boot with no mouse connected. get to login prompt then connect the mouse?
[7:26] <GriffenJBS> same thing, also does the same if I unplug/replug the mouse or try it without the keyboard
[7:27] <GriffenJBS> I'm wondering if it's a power problem, but I don't have the AC plug to power the hub
[7:27] <xiambax> disable mtp-probe?
[7:28] <GriffenJBS> .. ?? that's a service?
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[7:30] <xiambax> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=119676
[7:31] <xiambax> you may be able to disable libmtp via its rules?
[7:31] <xiambax> apparently its a dep requirement for some media players
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[7:33] <NemesisD> hi all. i'm trying to get the elusive edimax usb wifi adapter installed on arch linux and im running into trouble
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[7:34] <GriffenJBS> xiambax: thanks for the link, I'm still reading through it
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[7:34] <NemesisD> i've put the driver file into /lib/modules/3.1.9-10+/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/8192cu.ko but i can't get it to show up in lsmod
[7:34] <GriffenJBS> NemesisD: ... kick it a few times, I never got it working, installed raspian and then it 'just worked'
[7:34] <xiambax> NemesisD: Does it require you to change its permissions?
[7:34] <GriffenJBS> did you 'depmod -a'?
[7:35] <Jungle-Boogie> NemesisD, oh, that's not what i want to hear! i just ordered one of those!
[7:35] <GriffenJBS> also try 'modprobe 8192cu
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[7:37] <NemesisD> i did depmod -a which took a while but didn't seem to do anything, modprobe 8192cu said it could not be found
[7:37] <xiambax> apparently uninstalling mtp-probe fixes most mtp problems
[7:37] <xiambax> this isn't a real fix just a work around
[7:37] <xiambax> the dev maintainer should fix the package
[7:37] <xiambax> fyi
[7:37] <NemesisD> i have not rebooted since moving the driver into the directory, but i don't know that thta would matter
[7:38] <GriffenJBS> xiambax: thanks
[7:38] <xiambax> Lemme know how it goes
[7:38] <GriffenJBS> NemesisD: this isn't windows, you should almost NEVER have to reboot
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[7:39] <GriffenJBS> NemesisD: have you checked the system logs? anything there that looks relavent?
[7:40] <xiambax> Anyone wanna trade an HTC One X for 24 Pi boards?
[7:41] <sheppard> lol
[7:41] <xiambax> Bought this thing a month and a half ago and bought an S3 now I want to sell it and i know I'm going to take a hit on it cause its used now, just sucks
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[7:42] <NemesisD> GriffenJBS: just some warnings that the 8192cu module is not found, but im just grepping for 8192cu in logs
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[7:44] <GriffenJBS> I have libmtp but it's installed with vlc, does omxplayer use parts of vlc?
[7:44] <NemesisD> oh interesting, this might be relevant
[7:45] <GriffenJBS> are you sure the ownership/permissions of 8192cu.ko are correct?, ran depmod as root?
[7:45] <NemesisD> uname -a says my kernel is 3.1.9-32-ARCH+
[7:45] <xiambax> That one guy said it cause vlc issues too
[7:45] <GriffenJBS> I've read it working on arch, I haven't tried it, I never got it to work on the debian image
[7:45] <NemesisD> but the only directory for me to copy it to is /lib/modules/3.1.9-10+
[7:45] <xiambax> maybe just try it to see what happens, apparently you can change probe priorities
[7:45] <xiambax> i don't have a board to test on, I'm just here visiting
[7:46] <NemesisD> not sure if that's normal or not
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[7:49] <GriffenJBS> NemesisD: not normal as I understand it, but it's normal enough to work so ....
[7:49] <NemesisD> GriffenJBS: well it isn't working lol, though i suppose you mean it should be
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[7:53] <squiggles> is it possible to access the gpu for other computing?
[7:53] <GriffenJBS> I'm removing vlc; see what that does (besides remove libmtp)
[7:53] <squiggles> considering how shite the cpu is i'd like to use all of the computing power in the gpu to run a browsr
[7:53] <GriffenJBS> squiggles: should be, but not currently
[7:53] <squiggles> a full-featured browser, that is
[7:54] <GriffenJBS> the drivers for GPGPU don't currently exist
[7:54] <squiggles> how disappointing
[7:55] <GriffenJBS> .. ? for a web browser? that will improve with the system support (mostly kernel)
[7:55] <squiggles> yes
[7:56] <GriffenJBS> we browsers don't really use GPGPU, but the 2d/3d accel will help, most of it is currently underused
[7:56] <squiggles> i know
[7:57] <squiggles> the gpu is significantly more powerful than the cpu
[7:58] <squiggles> id need a kludge to reallocate computing power for other tasks
[7:59] <squiggles> to ultimately run a small cluster to power some projects
[7:59] <NemesisD> bah, i set the mode of 8192cu.ko to 644 as instructed, was really hoping that was it
[8:02] <GriffenJBS> and it's root:root for ownership?
[8:03] <xiambax> isnt the gnu driver issue because of samsung?
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[8:13] <haitekabi> anybody home?
[8:13] <xiambax> Harro
[8:14] <haitekabi> hello
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[8:14] <GriffenJBS> yeah, we got a live one!
[8:14] <haitekabi> ouch!
[8:14] <haitekabi> finally connected!
[8:16] <haitekabi> anybody here using PARM on the pi
[8:18] <haitekabi> ?
[8:21] <Stoob> PARM?
[8:23] <haitekabi> Puppy linux on ARM
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[8:24] <xiambax> Damn you for making me crave pasta
[8:24] <xiambax> mmmmm Chicken Parm
[8:25] <GriffenJBS> lol, I left and got food
[8:25] <xiambax> I had sushi today
[8:25] <haitekabi> it's the fastest distro I've found, still in alpha but it is fast
[8:25] <xiambax> it was delish, i even instagrammed it for the world to se
[8:26] <GriffenJBS> haitekabi: how are you metering it to tell it's faster?
[8:28] <haitekabi> it's perceptively faster, bodes well for the future, haven't benchmarked it yet
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[8:31] <xiambax> is the 35 dollar variant of the board going to have more ram?
[8:32] <haitekabi> the model B has 256Mb
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[8:33] <xiambax> Which for the most part wouldn't be enough
[8:33] <xiambax> well it is enough at that price point
[8:34] <xiambax> Its a rad lil board, I'm probably going to order a few for playing with different projects
[8:34] <xiambax> Im also looking at the ODROID-X
[8:34] <haitekabi> enough for what?
[8:34] <xiambax> Doing more intense operations
[8:34] <xiambax> But i guess xvmc works pretty good on it
[8:34] <haitekabi> just get a PC for that LOL
[8:34] <xiambax> renders video pretty decent i see
[8:35] <xiambax> Yeah i know i know but for tinkering i suppose
[8:35] <haitekabi> I haven't had much luck running video yet
[8:35] <xiambax> I want to know how well one of these things would work as an xbox media center
[8:35] <haitekabi> or sound
[8:36] <haitekabi> I tried XBMC but it was very slow
[8:36] <xiambax> http://stmlabs.com/2012/01/30/raspbmc-the-xbmc-distribution-for-raspberrypi/ <--- the guy who did crystalbuntu for the first gen appletv
[8:36] <xiambax> http://www.raspbmc.com/
[8:36] <haitekabi> when the video drivers and the sound get sorted out it should be better
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[8:38] <xiambax> Whats the issue
[8:38] <xiambax> They just closed?
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[8:39] <haitekabi> they just don't work yet
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[8:39] <haitekabi> couldn't play a 720p movie or play an mp3
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[8:40] <steveccc> is anyone else having problems with using the web browser on debian that keeps crashing?
[8:40] <haitekabi> yeah I had the same problem
[8:41] <steveccc> have you just stopped browsing or did you find a fix?
[8:41] <haitekabi> I changed browser to chrome, slow but it mostly works
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[8:43] <steveccc> ok thanks - I may do that as I use chrome on my phone so would make sense
[8:43] <haitekabi> I also have a swap file on the SD card
[8:43] <steveccc> yes i do too
[8:44] <haitekabi> it seems to improve performance a little
[8:45] <stealth``> I would think swap files on SD card are not worth it... not speewise, but it kills your card
[8:45] <stealth``> how about an external usb hdd?
[8:46] <haitekabi> I hadn't thought of that
[8:46] <haitekabi> the SD swap that is
[8:46] <steveccc> stealth``: in my case i just wanted to have just the pi running constantly and not have a disk spinning. Also I have not yet got a powered usb hub to work properly
[8:47] <stealth``> fair enough
[8:47] <steveccc> i cant work out the hubs - I bought a cheap one with a high current and it doesnt seem to power anything and then bought one of the recommended list and this doesnt seem to power anything either - surely I cant be that unlucky
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[8:52] <NemesisD> what does it mean when the used column of lsmod is 0
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[8:55] <squiggles> steveccc: is your hub powered?
[8:57] <haitekabi> I'm using the USB port on my PC to power the pi
[8:57] <squiggles> steveccc: you will have better luck if you route a dc output into the hub and then connect rpi to it
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[8:58] <cmug> haitekabi: you should change to a >1mA power source
[8:58] <squiggles> your performance will be limited otherwise... your machine is unlikely to have enough juice by itself
[8:59] <cmug> I assume your usb port is not providing more than 500mA
[8:59] <cmug> err 1A power source, not mA
[8:59] <haitekabi> I've got a 1A phone charger that works ok too
[8:59] <cmug> that is the correct way to go
[9:00] <haitekabi> then I'll swap it over, maybe it's short of power with the USB port
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[9:06] <NemesisD> were any of you guys able to get usb wireless set up on your pi?
[9:07] <NemesisD> i'm so close with this edimax. i've got the kernel driver loading but no light on it
[9:07] <haitekabi> I'm trying to get bluetooth working for my keyboard/trackpad
[9:08] <Wendo> usb wireless meaning a wireless network connection with a usb dongle? Not the actual wireless USB standard? If so then yup
[9:08] <reider59> I have a Rii mini keyboard/trackpad and just plugged the BT adaptor straight into the Pi USB Port, it worked instantly
[9:09] <reider59> Theres a script to install the Edimax 7811Un, if that`s the same one.
[9:10] <NemesisD> Wendo: wifi dongle
[9:10] <Wendo> The biggest problem I had was I was using a powered usb hub, but it was still drawing from the pi and I couldn't get the wireless dongle working on it
[9:10] <Wendo> as soon as I plugged it direclty into the pi it started working
[9:10] <NemesisD> everyone is saying the edimax doesn't need a powered hub
[9:11] <reider59> Mine doesn`t work in a hub either but it`s perfect in one of the USB ports of the Pi
[9:11] <Wendo> I've fixed my hub and now it works on that too, but no, the edimax doesn't need a hub... I had the same fault as you though until I plugged it directly in, driver loaded but couldn't get the light to come on
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[9:12] <Wendo> and trying to force it up just gave me dhcp errors. Are you seeing any errors?
[9:12] <NemesisD> the module is loaded but it isn't being used by anything according to lsmod. dont know if im misisng a step
[9:12] <reider59> Install script and instructions for the Edimax are here......http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6256
[9:12] <Wendo> do you have a wlan0 in ifconfig?
[9:12] <NemesisD> Wendo: negative. i want to use wicd to manage it but im suspecting im missing a step
[9:13] <reider59> Basically you put the script in the /boot folder, call it with a command from the terminal then wait for it to tell you to put the adaptor in the USB port, reboot when finished and it`s all done. Home in time for tea and cakes
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[9:13] <Wendo> so you've blacklisted the old driver and installed the new one?
[9:13] <NemesisD> reider59: unfortunately the script seems to be tailored to raspbian and not arch so i'm going to have to do it the hard way
[9:14] <reider59> one or two have added it to Arch
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[9:14] <NemesisD> Wendo: yep. added blacklist rtl8192cu to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf, i see the only module to show up is 8192cu as expected
[9:15] <reider59> It worked in Debian Squeeze, Wheezy and Raspbian but I think the Arch users had to modify it a little
[9:15] <Wendo> and thats loaded ok obviously.. what do you see from dmesg when you insert the dongle?
[9:16] <NemesisD> Wendo: tailing /var/log/dmesg.log, oddly no activity when i unplug/replug
[9:17] <NemesisD> i wonder if i shuld be running this off the wall socket instead of my laptop for best results
[9:17] <Wendo> but the dongle works on another machine ok?
[9:17] <NemesisD> Wendo: haven't tried. sec
[9:17] <Wendo> yeah.. probably :) Unless your laptpo has high power ports you're probably asking too much of it, most top out at 500mA
[9:18] <NemesisD> i know that it shows up under lsusb
[9:18] <Wendo> yeah but if it can't get enough grunt to fully power up it'll cause problems
[9:19] <Wendo> Although I would have expected it in dmesg too if it was in lsusb, still better to find something that can give the pi at least 700mA, 1A is better still
[9:20] <NemesisD> ok now its plugged in from my phone charger off the wall outlet
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[9:22] <NemesisD> Wendo: hmm no light, no interface
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[9:22] <Wendo> do you see it in dmesg now?
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[9:23] <Wendo> running "dmesg | grep WLAN" will tell you quickly
[9:24] <NemesisD> [ 5.819348] usb 1-1.3: Product: 802.11n WLAN Adapter but nothing when i plug/unplug it
[9:24] <NemesisD> is there a firmware component to this equation that im missing?
[9:25] <Wendo> Yup... lemme track down the URL for them
[9:26] <Wendo> this shoudl be the firmware http://www.electrictea.co.uk/rpi/8192cu.tar.gz
[9:26] <NemesisD> such a tease! the light blinks once when booting i think
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[9:27] <NemesisD> Wendo: i thought that was the driver. i compiled 8192cu.ko from source
[9:27] <Wendo> scratch that, thats the compiled driver... I'll keep working back through the script
[9:27] <reider59> Mine blinked once, I changed to Static IP addressing, rebooted and it`s worked ever since
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[9:28] <Wendo> Firmware: ftp://ftp.dlink.com/Wireless/dwa130_revC/Drivers/dwa130_revC_drivers_linux_006.zip
[9:29] <Wendo> shoudl uncompress and the files should be moved/copied to /usr/local/lib/firmware/RTL8192U
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[9:30] <Wendo> actually only the files under firmware should be copied/moved there
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[9:33] <NemesisD> Wendo: should i be concerned that i have no /usr/local/lib/firmware/ dir
[9:34] <buZz> i think that should be /lib/firmware/ ?
[9:34] <Wendo> I'm on raspbian and I don't either, however I do have a /lib/firmware
[9:34] <Wendo> was just checking that too :)
[9:34] <buZz> thats where my wireless firmwarez are
[9:35] <NemesisD> i have a /usr/lib/firmware but no /lib/firmware
[9:35] <Wendo> anything in /usr/lib/firmware?
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[9:36] <NemesisD> heaps of stuff
[9:36] <NemesisD> i moved it there, now what should i do
[9:37] <buZz> replug the stick
[9:37] <Wendo> a directory that starts with RTL8192?
[9:37] <NemesisD> Wendo: i had RTL8192E but no RTL8192U
[9:38] <Wendo> I've got RTL8192SU and RTL8192E and for the life of me I have no idea which one is being used
[9:38] <NemesisD> Wendo: the one you gave me is U not SU
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[9:38] <Wendo> I'm assumign the SU, which isn't mentioned in the script I'm looking at. I'm goign to dig up the script that almost got me working rather than the one linked earlier since i think it's leading us astray
[9:39] <Wendo> do you have /etc/network/interfaces setup (or the arch equivilent)?
[9:39] <NemesisD> hmm lifeless when i replug.
[9:40] <NemesisD> Wendo: i think thats configured in a master config file, rc.conf
[9:41] <NemesisD> holy hell
[9:41] <Wendo> that sounds promising :)
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[9:41] <Wendo> unless the magic smoke escaped
[9:41] <NemesisD> hmm, well the arch wiki suggests running ip addr | sed '/^[0-9]/!d;s/: <.*$//'
[9:41] <NemesisD> this shows wlan0 at the end but i don't see wlan0 in ifconfig or wicd
[9:42] <NemesisD> mighta been a red herring. i got excited
[9:43] <buZz> ifconfig wlan0
[9:43] <buZz> if wlan0 is not up you will not see it in the output by default
[9:44] <Wendo> according to the wiki you should have a /etc/network.d/mynetwork (or something similar) file to specify the options for each interface
[9:44] <NemesisD> it shows stuff, although this bit is weird ether 80:1f:02:68:79:a5 txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet)
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[9:44] <Wendo> thats fine, mac address is presumably right and my txqueuelen is the same
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[9:45] <Wendo> it sounds liek you just need to tell arch it's DHCP and configure it to connect to your AP
[9:45] <NemesisD> booyah
[9:46] <NemesisD> i manually told wicd about wlan0 and it just scanned for networks
[9:46] <buZz> did it also find some? :)
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[9:48] <NemesisD> its trying....
[9:48] <Wendo> now just remember everything you've done cos the next time a kernel upgrade comes along it'll all stop again :(.. .thats what I'm dreading
[9:49] <NemesisD> it owrked! thanks so much guys!!
[9:49] <NemesisD> wait what?
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[9:49] <NemesisD> arch kernels update all the damn time
[9:49] <NemesisD> which actually is annoying because it overwrites my memory divider
[9:49] <Wendo> since the kernel's aren't yet being compiled with the wireless drivers, we have to go through at least some of this each time
[9:50] <Wendo> still worth it for me to only have to run a single wire to my pi though
[9:50] <buZz> there are a lot inside already
[9:50] <NemesisD> yeah im thinking i will tuck this behind my boxee box, might update it less frequently
[9:51] <Wendo> just not this one seemingly :).. heres hoping that changes though, although I guess it could be because there is the firmware side too
[9:51] <buZz> raspbian had some wireless firmwarez aswell
[9:51] <buZz> just not all
[9:51] <buZz> i tried 4 diff wireless usb gizmos
[9:51] <buZz> 1 didnt work until 3.2, 1 worked out of the box, and 2 needed moar firmwarez
[9:52] <NemesisD> i gotta go guys, got work tomorrow morning. thanks again for all your help
[9:52] <Wendo> night
[9:52] <buZz> nnnem
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[9:56] <psiklops> Hi. I don't have a Raspberry "yet" ... has anybody tried out smtube (from the smplayer project) to watch youtube vids ?
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[10:00] <xarragon> psiklops: I have only tried a h.264 movie trailer using the omxplayer or whatever it is called, it worked flawlessly, but it obv. has hw acc.
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[10:02] <psiklops> nice thanx
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[10:03] <RedWar> I have one question. Has anyone attempted to put android on a Raspberry Pi, and run Netflix on it?
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[10:09] <Tachyon`> not a chance
[10:09] <Tachyon`> netflix won't even work properly on my phone
[10:09] <Tachyon`> which is far faster than the pi
[10:09] <buZz> i think ppl are working on android ports anyway
[10:10] <Tachyon`> well, yes, but netflix isn't going to work on that CPU at that speed -.-
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[10:10] <buZz> well, never give up
[10:10] <rm> RAM is too small
[10:10] <buZz> never surrender
[10:10] <Tachyon`> ram is fine
[10:10] <buZz> you hardly need over 1MB ram to play a video
[10:10] <buZz> add 10MB for caching
[10:10] <rm> any modern android won't work, old android will run at most one app and even that slowly
[10:10] <buZz> and 110MB for OS
[10:11] <buZz> rm: even old androids had multitasking
[10:11] <buZz> its just not that obvious
[10:11] <Tachyon`> well, yeah
[10:11] <xarragon> Why woudl you want android when you can have real linux? :-)
[10:11] <Tachyon`> it's a linux kernel
[10:11] <rm> buZz, on 128-224 MB of RAM
[10:11] <rm> ?
[10:11] <buZz> rm: sure
[10:11] <rm> multitasking between a calculator and a notepad
[10:11] <buZz> you musnt have used many old androids ;)
[10:11] <rm> or what it's called there
[10:11] * Tachyon` sighs
[10:11] <Tachyon`> they all multitask
[10:11] <Tachyon`> every one
[10:11] <rm> I know
[10:11] <Tachyon`> bring up a shell and run ps
[10:11] <Tachyon`> if you don't believe me
[10:11] <buZz> Tachyon`: yeah but even within android
[10:12] <rm> I am saying you're not going to succeed in running a lot of stuff on Pi's RAM
[10:12] <Tachyon`> ah, well, indeed
[10:12] <muep> my previous android device had less RAM than the pi
[10:12] <Tachyon`> my first linux machine had 5MB RAM
[10:12] <rm> muep, Android 1.6?
[10:12] <Tachyon`> I remember compiling the kernel took most of a day due to all the swappin
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[10:12] <buZz> rm: i am not really convinced the RAM really is the limiting factor
[10:12] <Tachyon`> but still, you could run it perfectly well in 8 at the time, even with X
[10:13] <Tachyon`> but it's got bloated to shit over th eyears
[10:13] <Tachyon`> so now you need at least 256 to do anything useful in X, ideally 512
[10:13] <rm> Android is a stupid bloated OS that really has no purpose on the Pi
[10:13] <rm> and very limited
[10:13] <Tachyon`> android is a phone OS and I'm not sure why poeple keep trying to run it on things that aren't phones
[10:13] <rm> both from what you can do, and even in its UI
[10:14] <Tachyon`> for a phone OS it does very well
[10:14] <Tachyon`> as a tablet/laptop OS it's bloody useless
[10:15] <xarragon> Havn't you heard? It is not about how good something really is, because that implies it has a real purpose and measurable performance in performing that task; it's about the "hawtness" of the solution nowadays!
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[10:23] <cmug> http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/24/3180510/microsoft-kinect-smart-trashbox-catches-airborne-trash if only he had used a rpi :)
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[10:23] <Vibe> hi
[10:24] <Vibe> why raspberrypi.org changed debian to wheezy instead of squeeze?
[10:24] <Vibe> in downloads
[10:25] <reider59> It`s now Raspbian actually. It`s better and faster
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[10:26] <Vibe> hmm
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[10:30] <xarragon> Vibe: And new background image in LXDE!
[10:31] <Vibe> k, not using X here :p
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[10:33] <LIki> hi, i got FreeRDP installed in my Rsp, now I'm getting error on missing newest glibc (2.15), how can i get around this?
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[10:40] <Wendo> Kiki, what distribution are you using, and how did you install freerdp?
[10:40] <Wendo> *Liki even
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[10:42] <Crenn-NAS> Hi guys, anyway know much about formatting USB drives with the RPi?
[10:42] <Crenn-NAS> Fdisk seems to sort of crash
[10:43] <Wendo> I always preferred cfdisk, but parted is also an option
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[10:43] <booyaa> morning!
[10:44] <Wendo> evening!
[10:44] <Crenn-NAS> Never used parted
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[10:45] <Aldasa> gparted if you want a gui. can be run from livecd also
[10:46] <Crenn-NAS> Main problem I have is the HDD worked with windows, doesn't work with the Raspberry Pi
[10:46] <booyaa> typical, order my rpi from rs on 7/7
[10:46] <booyaa> order the second rpi from farnell after they lift the waiting list
[10:46] <booyaa> farnell's notified me of delivery in the next 2-5 days
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[10:46] <Wendo> Crenn, are you powering it from a powered hub or is it direclty connected?
[10:46] <Crenn-NAS> Power is provided, however the HDD doesn't spin up or is detected in the USB list
[10:47] <Vibe> I am still staying in debian6, not moving to wheezy
[10:47] <booyaa> Vibe: is that squeeze or lenny?
[10:47] <reider59> life in the slow lane lol
[10:48] * booyaa is quite happy with the official raspbian/wheezy
[10:48] <Wendo> THe problem with a lot of devices it seems, is even when they are externally powered they still pull power from the USB port (my usb hub did this until I disconnected the 5v line on it) I wonder if you're seeing the same thing
[10:48] <LIki> hi Wendo, i'm using wheezy and compile freerdp from its source code
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[10:49] <Crenn-NAS> Wendo: Directly connected
[10:49] <Wendo> Liki, and it compiled ok but now it's complaining about glibc? or thats a compile error your'e seeing?
[10:49] <booyaa> is rpi-upadte still necessary (i know apt-get upgrade-dist updates firmware now). the only other thing i think rpi-update was required for was to change ram split between cpu/gpu
[10:49] <LIki> it's error msg when i'm running it, the compile went ok
[10:49] <xarragon> Wendo: You cut the 5V line on the hub "uplink" cable connected to the pi's USB port I take it?
[10:50] <psiklops> Hi again. Is it possible to run Fluxbox and other WMs on RaspberryPi ?
[10:50] <Wendo> yeah, then the wireless dongle that wouldn't work on the hub started working on the hub (it always worked plugged in directly
[10:50] <Crenn-NAS> Wendo: http://pastebin.com/dxgMb1L4
[10:50] <Wendo> just pulled the hub apart and unsoldered the wire and threw some heatshrink on it
[10:50] <booyaa> psiklops: yes, you need to be comfortable with reconfiging x11 and i'm assuming we're using gnome-session manager
[10:50] <xarragon> Wendo: Interesting.. I plan to play with my own powered hub tonight, thanks for the insight.
[10:50] <neofutur> yes but with 256 mb ram its not easy
[10:51] <netman87> hmm, this is off-topic but does anyone know where i can buy 'cheap' used 771 dual socket motherbords with pci-e 16 bus and/or fbdimm ddr2 ecc
[10:51] <Wendo> crenn, the initio looks like it is the usb drive?
[10:51] <netman87> i did order 2x quadcore xeon as they where cheap but havent seen many cheap motherboards
[10:51] <Crenn-NAS> It is
[10:51] <Crenn-NAS> But here's the fun part: http://pastebin.com/61Tn8hFc
[10:52] <psiklops> neofutur: was that for me: "yes but with 256 mb ram its not easy" ?
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[10:52] <Wendo> xarragon, it was a cheap 13 port hub so I wasn't too surprised, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it's not the only thing
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[10:52] <netman87> Crenn-NAS: dmesg | tail
[10:52] <Wendo> what netman said :)
[10:52] <buZz> BATMAN?
[10:53] <Crenn-NAS> netman87: Errors!
[10:53] <xarragon> Wendo: My experience with everything USB is pretty sour, my P55 Intel chipset on my desktop computer is basically.. completely borked.
[10:53] <Crenn-NAS> netman87: Wendo: http://pastebin.com/vsiiFSFY
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps.
[10:54] <reider59> hi Gordon
[10:54] <psiklops> booyaa: kool, i actually never use anything from gnome other that geditv ;-)
[10:54] <xarragon> Wendo: I was dumping my SD card to disk before dd:ing raspbian on it, and halfway through the entire onboard USB hub crapped itself and wouldnt come back alive.
[10:54] <psiklops> -v
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[10:54] <netman87> heh not looking good those dmesg rows
[10:54] <piksel> i bought this awesome hub that delivered up to 1,3A from one of the ports (the "charge" port). turns out this was only until a master connected to it, then it drew power from there, so i got myself a auto-rebooting pi! awesome.
[10:54] <Wendo> crenn, possibly power issue, whats powering the pi and whats it's specs?
[10:54] <Crenn-NAS> Good Morning gordon, ready for the experiment?
[10:55] <reider59> I ordered an LCD Shield for the Arduino, with about 6 buttons on. 312 and free postage
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> the experiment???
[10:55] <Wendo> xarragon, ekk, and intel USB is about the best you'll find
[10:55] <xarragon> Wendo: Same thing happened with a Huawei 3G dongle and USB cameras, all which works flawlessly on my laptop..
[10:55] <reider59> ?12
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[10:55] <Crenn-NAS> Wendo: Asus Transformer USB power supply
[10:55] * gordonDrogon is wondering about "the experiment" ...
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[10:55] <Crenn-NAS> Hang on, I can add some power
[10:56] <Wendo> crenn, 1A capable? I would assume so
[10:56] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Half-Life
[10:56] <xarragon> Wendo: Yeah, I know.. But if you read the P55 PCH errata there are a ton of unfixed silicon bugs. Remember the iphone/windows7 sync issue? P55 chipset.
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[10:56] <Crenn-NAS> Wendo: 2A capable
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, half life of what?
[10:56] <Crenn-NAS> The game
[10:56] <Dyskette> gordonDrogon, it's a reference to the game Half-Life.
[10:56] <xarragon> Wendo: I got a USB 3.0 port/hub on the smae mobo, works flawlessly.
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> Oh. Game. Yes. That came out years ago. Is it still going?
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> I've never played it.
[10:56] <Dyskette> The franchise is. Sort of.
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> Doom2 is about my limit of those sorts of games.
[10:57] <Dyskette> Doom2 was fantastic.
[10:57] <Crenn-NAS> Wendo: Gave it a boost of power and new errors
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[10:58] <Wendo> crenn, yay... progress! ;)
[10:58] <Dyskette> Still is.
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> :)
[10:58] <Crenn-NAS> Wendo: http://pastebin.com/88SRbw1a
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> I think I played one of the early star wars FPS type games too.
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[10:58] <gordonDrogon> I also likes Hexen and Heretic...
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> I just wish I could (re) play Dungeon Keeper under Linux.
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[10:59] <Wendo> crenn, it's enumerated now though as sda, can you partition it?
[10:59] <LIki> hi Wendo, is it possible to upgrade glibc manually?
[10:59] <Crenn-NAS> Wendo: No
[10:59] <Aldasa> Dungeon Keeper is fantastic
[10:59] <Crenn-NAS> fdisk: unable to read /dev/sda: Input/output error
[10:59] <Aldasa> the second one was crap
[10:59] <Wendo> LIki, technically yes, in reality not really unless you know linux _REALLY_ well. You're better off moving to a distribution that already has it
[11:00] <LIki> got it
[11:01] <Wendo> Crenn, well thats less than ideal :/
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[11:02] <Crenn-NAS> fdisk: unable to open /dev/sda: No medium found
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[11:03] <gordonDrogon> what PC is this? I'd unusual for a modernish Linux to have /dev/sda avalable - that's usually the boot disk.
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> unless it's running off IDE drives, but even them with newer Linuxes they're often enumerated through the scsi/sata layer...
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> I have one last remaining server with IDE drives...
[11:05] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: It's a USB device
[11:05] <Crenn-NAS> 1.8" HDD
[11:06] <Tachyon`> cat /proc/partitions
[11:06] <Tachyon`> nothing there?
[11:06] <Dyskette> gordonDrogon, every harddrive I own is IDE :(
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> Dyskette, wow. take care of them. Run the smartmontools on them - just because they're old not that they're ide.
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 066 066 000 Old_age Always - 30011
[11:08] <Dyskette> Aye.
[11:08] <Dyskette> It's a long long time sine I had a disk failure.
[11:08] <Dyskette> My last failure was a hand-me-down IBM DeathStar, actually, so that would've been more than a decade ago.
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[11:09] <gordonDrogon> I've recently had a pair of WDC 2TB drives fail on me )-: Very annoying.
[11:09] <Dyskette> Overdue for one, really
[11:09] <agumonkey> hi y'all
[11:09] <Dyskette> Ouch.
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[11:09] <Dyskette> WDC were the go-to for reliability back in the day, too.
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> I had a bunch of other WDC drives fail too - so WDC are not on my good list right now )-:
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[11:09] <xarragon> Dyskette: I still wear the fastening ring from my 46.1 Gb Deathstar in my keychain.
[11:10] * agumonkey giving the anxious look to its 1TB WDC right now
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> I have one server I'm frightened to power down right now... it has 5 drives in it with power-on times of...
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 024 024 000 Old_age Always - 55885
[11:11] <agumonkey> I recently fired up an old ibm 14gb , runs fine. didn't expect that at all u_u;
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> that's over 6 years.
[11:12] <Dyskette> I've still got my windows install on an old 10GB IBM drive.
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> I axed a few dozen old IDE dirves a few months ago during a clear out - my original, very first 280MB IDE drive still worked, but unlike the older machines I have (apple II/BBC Micro) I really didn't feel any sort of attachment to it.
[11:12] <xarragon> agumonkey: Old, low-density disks are pretty damn sturdy. Once you get into 100 gig range or so their life span dropped dramatically for me.
[11:12] <Dyskette> Ticking along just fine.
[11:12] <agumonkey> xarragon: is that when they shifted to vertical ?
[11:12] <agumonkey> *perpendicular*
[11:12] <Wendo> it's only drives that have been continuously running you need to worry about agumonkey, the bearings tend to sieze up as soon as they stop after running that long
[11:13] <agumonkey> Wendo: I assumed the same could happen when not running for years
[11:14] <xarragon> agumonkey: I don't know.. There are so many factors, the first few 100-gigers ran very hot too..
[11:14] <Wendo> much less so seemingly
[11:14] <agumonkey> my old 2..3gb seagates are dead though, too bad, there's some custom doom 2 levels in there hiding
[11:14] <xarragon> agumonkey: The ones I had at least.. And after that I had a jiffy power supply at one point.
[11:15] <Wendo> at least I've never had long off drives do that, plenty of ones that had been running 24/7 for a long time... backups are a wonderful thing in those cases, or replacing the server before it gets to that point
[11:15] <Dyskette> Hitatchi were perfectly capable of building stupidly failure-prone hdds at the sub-30GB level, thinking back.
[11:15] <agumonkey> btw what do you use for long term backup ?
[11:15] <agumonkey> tapes ?
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stiction#Hard_disk_drives
[11:16] <Wendo> yep, LTO. God awful expensive but at least you know if you treat them right there is a very good chance you'll be able to read them when you need too
[11:16] <Crenn-NAS> Tachyon`: Not currently, apart from the SD card
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> I moved away from tapes some years back... now a combiantion on on-site and off-site disk drives.
[11:17] <Crenn-NAS> May have found the problem, the cable might have been a little loose or something
[11:18] <Crenn-NAS> Making sure it works with windows now before I try again
[11:18] <agumonkey> never had a chance to start a hard drive by hand , ah youth
[11:18] <reider59> Just had a good session in BF3 for a change
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> Heh... Onceupon a time a DEC engineer told me that running Unix on the PDP11 we had was the best diagnostic they had for the hardware...
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> agumonkey, I had one server with a drive that needed a flick, or tap to get it going some 20 years ago though.
[11:19] <reider59> The other side thought it a good idea to fly over our base and 1 parachute out then rob our planes and helicopters. I waited while they got in and shot the aircraft, got 12 kills lol
[11:20] <agumonkey> have you seen brian cantrill shouting effect on disk bays ?
[11:20] <Wendo> gordon, I reemmber those days, you were always worried one day that tap wouldn't work :)
[11:20] <agumonkey> hmm guess you've all seen that yourselves
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> don't know who brian cantrill is...
[11:20] <agumonkey> solaris/dtrace developer
[11:21] <Lartza> What's a ULN2803A?
[11:21] <Lartza> darlington driver? what doe sit do :P
[11:21] <Lartza> *does it
[11:21] <buZz> it drives darlings
[11:21] <buZz> motor driver ;)
[11:21] <Lartza> oh
[11:21] <Lartza> and 74HC595 is like an expander?
[11:22] <Lartza> shift register
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> googled it, but I have no sound on my desktop rught now.
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> ULNs are little darlings.
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> they are effectively little power amplifiers.
[11:22] <Lartza> Ahh
[11:22] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Got my electroncis order today ;)
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> take a weedy little signal from a device like a Pi and enable it to light a bulb, or drive a relay.
[11:23] <Lartza> Breadboard, jumpers, all these bits and pieces of stuff
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> https://blogs.oracle.com/bmc/entry/catching_disk_latency_in_the
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, good oh! don't blow anything up :) KEep the magic black smoke inside :)
[11:23] <Lartza> Hopefully ;)
[11:23] <Lartza> Already shorted it once before I got these and it's fine :P
[11:23] <Lartza> Only restarted
[11:24] <reider59> Postie came early today, must have poohed the bed. No package for me though, thought the bits might arrive for the breakout board. Hopefully that and my Arduino LCD shield should be here by the weekend
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[11:25] <Lartza> I can't use thermistors and photoresistors right?
[11:26] <Lartza> They are rearely digital
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, you can use a photo diode.
[11:26] <Lartza> It looks like an LDR
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> you can use a photoresistor, but it will only indicate bright or dark ...
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> nothing in-between.
[11:27] <Tachyon`> LDR with A-D converter?
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[11:27] <Lartza> That would probably work but
[11:28] <Lartza> I don't have an AD converter :P
[11:28] <Tachyon`> ahh -.-
[11:28] <Lartza> I can't even seem to find the thermistors on this package
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[11:30] <agumonkey> gordonDrogon: at some point they show some latency graph dashboard
[11:31] <agumonkey> gordonDrogon: youtube automatic caption fails hard
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> I've just watched it - after working out how to reset alsa ..
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> very intersting stuff...
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> there is an A/D convertor on the Gertboard, but I've not had a chance to try it yet.
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> it's on the SPI bus.
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[11:34] <Crenn-NAS> Whoo! HDD mounted!
[11:35] <Wendo> gratz crenn, dodgy cable/connection?
[11:36] <agumonkey> are you using rpi to control hard drives ?
[11:38] <buZz> control hard drives?
[11:38] <Crenn-NAS> Wendo: Sort of
[11:38] <Crenn-NAS> brb
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[11:42] <agumonkey> I've seen people driving hdd motors with ULN2803AG and since we were discussing hdd I just thought thta
[11:42] <agumonkey> that*
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[11:42] <Wendo> He's just been trying to get a usb drive mounted on the pi, nothing quite so exotic as trying to control them :)
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[11:44] <Crenn-NAS> Hmmmm....
[11:44] <agumonkey> too much imagination on my side ..
[11:44] <Crenn-NAS> How do I check where /dev/sda1 is mounted?
[11:44] <nid0> mount
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[11:46] <agumonkey> btw i'm still looking for a tiny wifi/bt usb thingy, anyone knows one ?
[11:47] <buZz> check dealextreme
[11:47] <agumonkey> thanks
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[11:47] <reider59> Edimax 7811Un
[11:47] <rm> one USB to WiFi+BT 2 in 1?
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[11:48] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, as nid0 says, 'mount' is the command to use, however sometimes the output of 'df -h' is easier to parse...
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[11:49] <agumonkey> rm: yes, I think I saw wifi+bt module for laptops, I was curious to see if it existed in usbkey form factor
[11:49] <Crenn-NAS> This is what I'm seeing: http://pastebin.com/eEDb86Xg
[11:49] <reider59> works direct in the USB port, script in the forum for Debian Squeeze, Wheezy and Raspbian. Plus it`s cheap and small. This is only a USB WiFi adaptor, I added an unpowered ?1 USB Hub and a ?1 BT adaptor to it in the other USB Port. From which I can run a mini keyboard/trackpad in BT
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> this is on the Pi itself?
[11:50] <Wendo> crenn, so not mounted, you'll have to mount it manually
[11:50] <rm> agumonkey, don't remember ever seeing one
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, what is it you're trying to mount - a USB stick thing?
[11:51] <agumonkey> rm: ok
[11:51] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: 1.8" USB HDD
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, Ah OK.
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, in which case type: cat /proc/scsi/scsi
[11:51] <Crenn-NAS> /dev/sda is where it's at
[11:52] <Crenn-NAS> cat: /proc/scsi/scsi: No such file or directory
[11:52] <Wendo> you've partitioned and formatted it Crenn-NAS?
[11:52] <Crenn-NAS> Yes
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> Hm. it's an older interface - check the output of dmesg
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> and then: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> you may have to partition and format it.
[11:53] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Already done so
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, ok - final check: cat /proc/partitions
[11:53] <Crenn-NAS> Yeah, it's listed there
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> ok, manually mount it: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> assuming it has partition 1 formatted as something the Pi understands.
[11:54] <Wendo> or possibly /media depending in distribution
[11:54] <Crenn-NAS> There we go
[11:54] <Crenn-NAS> I can see it in the mount list
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> it may only auto-mount if your running a window manager and some sort of auto mounting program that does with it.
[11:54] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: EXT4?
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> df -h
[11:54] <Crenn-NAS> df -h? What's that do?
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, whatever you formatted it with in the first place.
[11:54] <mentar> man df
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> df is disk free, -h is 'human' readble output..
[11:55] <Crenn-NAS> http://pastebin.com/yEVQAvAu
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[11:56] <gordonDrogon> if this is something you're going to regularly use, then I may do something like adding this line to /etc/fstab: /dev/sda1 /space ext4 defaults,user 0 0
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> them mkdir /space
[11:56] <Crenn-NAS> I wonder how to get it to automount
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> yea, that looks good.
[11:56] <Crenn-NAS> Also, how to get it powered without an external battery
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[11:57] <gordonDrogon> to automount when it's plugged in? I think you need to lookup some udev rules for that.
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> not something I'm overly familiar with as it's something I don't approve of ..
[11:57] <Crenn-NAS> Yes, the RPi is currently been assisted by a battery pack
[11:57] <Crenn-NAS> I wonder....
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> auto mount this, that, etc. then the nextthing they'll do is look for a file and automatically run it! I mean, who would ever do that?
[12:00] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Window user?
[12:01] <Weaselweb> foes anybody know if there are plans to mainline the rpi specific kernel code?
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[12:04] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, yes - actually apple did it too in the early days - and there were viruses that exploited it.
[12:05] <buZz> Weaselweb: i assume this will happen
[12:05] <buZz> or i will laugh in their faces
[12:05] <buZz> and nobody wants that
[12:06] <Weaselweb> i hope it will
[12:07] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Isn't there udev rules to mount the SD card to root?
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[12:10] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, I've no idea - I avoid udev wherever possible.
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, although I understand it's the way to automate things like that - you can get it to look for a specific serial number for example and mount it in a particular place, etc.
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[12:11] <Weaselweb> root mounting is done before any userspace application (e.g. udev) is executed
[12:13] <Crenn-NAS> Weaselweb: I just remember modifying something with debian squeeze to change mount positions etc and to make swap as a file
[12:13] <agumonkey> Crenn-NAS: what distro are you using ? archarm ?
[12:15] <Weaselweb> Crenn-NAS: mount positions are done in /etc/fstab, I would recommend using swap on a separate spaw partition (though a swap file also works, but has the FS overhead)
[12:16] <Crenn-NAS> agumonkey: Debian Wheezy beta
[12:16] <Crenn-NAS> Weaselweb: At ok
[12:16] <Crenn-NAS> Would the same work for a USB device?
[12:16] <Crenn-NAS> And what would happen if that device isn't available?
[12:16] <Weaselweb> Crenn-NAS: nevertheless the kernel needs to know your root partition at first on its command line (usually given from boot loader)
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[12:17] <Weaselweb> mounting devices differes slightly between distributions. usually /etc/fstab is parsed once during boot up
[12:18] <Weaselweb> hotplugging and mounting devices requires using udev (or mdev)
[12:18] <Crenn-NAS> That's ok, I plan to leave the HDD plugged in at boot up
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[12:18] <Crenn-NAS> However I'm wondering what it will do if the HDD isn't there
[12:19] <Weaselweb> it should issue an error that mounting /dev/foo failed
[12:19] <Weaselweb> assumed your root file system is still in SD card
[12:20] <Crenn-NAS> That's fine, not wanting to boot off the HDD
[12:20] <Crenn-NAS> SD card stays put
[12:20] <Weaselweb> not sure if this is possible at all
[12:21] <Crenn-NAS> I might look into udev rules
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[13:38] <smikey> hey guys... :)
[13:38] <SpeedEvil> hey
[13:39] <lupinedk> uh mailman just dropped off a RPI
[13:39] <buZz> THATS MINE!
[13:39] <lupinedk> hehe
[13:40] <buZz> jk ;)
[13:41] <smikey> is there any way to change the square of different colors which comes before the pi boots?
[13:42] <Martin`> I recieved it saterday, but I had a kingston sd card but it did not reconize it right :(
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[13:42] <Martin`> now I have a cheap one from the hema and it works :P
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[13:42] <Martin`> but it is strange, the kingstone is on the wiki
[13:43] <lupinedk> maybe a DOA card
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[13:44] <mikma> dead or alive?
[13:44] <lupinedk> Dead On Arrival
[13:45] <Martin`> it works in my macbook
[13:45] <lupinedk> a macbook works with anything DOA ;)
[13:45] <mikma> you 100% sure it's on the "working" list
[13:45] <Martin`> yes
[13:45] <mikma> serials match etc?
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[13:47] <Martin`> hmm 8GB is on the list not the 16GB sorry
[13:47] <Martin`> mischecked it yesterday
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[13:49] <Weaselweb> then please add your card that it doesn't work
[13:50] <mikma> i hope my soon to arrive 32gb class10 sd-card works, heh
[13:53] <Martin`> Weaselweb: ok I go to try that, waiting for email for account registration :P
[13:54] <lupinedk> is SSH access enabled per default on rasbpian image?
[13:55] <mikma> aye
[13:55] <lupinedk> nice
[13:55] <mikma> lupinedk: first login, rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* && dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server
[13:55] <mikma> lupinedk: atleast that's what i did ^^
[13:56] <lupinedk> why?
[13:56] <Martin`> always nice to have your own ssh keys :P
[13:56] <lupinedk> ah
[13:56] <mikma> basicly everyone that runs the raspbian image uses the same ssh keys
[13:56] <mikma> if they haven't regenerated it
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[13:58] <Martin`> trying xbmc on it, but why did I select my full series directory to index :P
[13:58] <mikma> martin`: wait for a while, rumor has it that next raspbmc is built on raspbian
[13:58] <Martin`> ok :)
[13:58] <mikma> http://forum.stmlabs.com/showthread.php?tid=1237&page=2
[13:58] <mikma> there's the rumor, confirmed by devels... hehe
[13:59] <Martin`> :)
[13:59] <Martin`> it makes it faster?
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[13:59] <mikma> well if raspbian is currently 40% faster than the debian wheezy image, i would say yeah. it should make it faster
[13:59] <Martin`> nice :)
[13:59] <mikma> keeping my hopes up
[14:00] <Martin`> and I read somewhere that it also support hdmi-cec so I can use the remote of my tv for it?
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[14:01] <mikma> http://www.foo.co.za/raspbmc-control-xbmc-with-your-tv-remote-using-hdmi-cec
[14:03] <Martin`> ok tnx for info
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[14:04] <Martin`> indexing all southpark seasons, what did I do! :(
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[14:05] <drogon> afternoons...
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[14:15] <Kevin_D> 0
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[14:16] <Will|> is udhcpd the only dhcpd available in Wheezy?
[14:16] <drogon> surprised if it is.
[14:16] <drogon> I'm using isc_dhcp
[14:16] <drogon> it appears to be present.
[14:16] <Will|> ah, didn't realise that was a server
[14:16] <Will|> ta
[14:17] <Will|> does that support static mappings using dhcp client identifiers, do you know?
[14:18] <drogon> the isc one? It's supposed tgo be the reference version for all others, so yes...
[14:18] <drogon> apt-cache search dhcpd
[14:18] <Will|> excellent
[14:18] <Will|> cheers
[14:18] <drogon> that shows it up.
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[14:19] <drogon> it can also pass DNS information to BIND too (and possibly other DNS resolvers)
[14:19] <Will|> ooh, cool
[14:19] <Will|> udhcpd didn't do that either
[14:19] <Will|> although it wasn't 100% necessary
[14:19] <drogon> that's a bit more fiddly to setup, but there are online tutorials.
[14:19] <Will|> nice to have :)
[14:19] <drogon> udhcps is supposed to be small AIUI... to work in a busybox environment...
[14:19] <Will|> it does most things, in fairness
[14:19] <Will|> just not client identifers, which I use
[14:20] <drogon> I've never used them myself, but I have setup the dynamic dns thing in the past.
[14:20] <drogon> I do use the facility to map MAC addresses to fixed IP addresses though.
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[14:23] <drogon> right. walk to the shops for lunch I think.
[14:25] <Will|> client ids mean my ip doesn't change when I move between wired and wireless ;)
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[14:28] <eva_02> I have no USB keyboard and haven't any TV or LCD monitor, I only have macbook with mac os and cardreader
[14:29] <eva_02> how can i turn on sshd on my device?
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[14:29] <drazyl> borrow a friends?
[14:29] <eva_02> mac os can't write to Ext2 filesystem
[14:30] <eva_02> maybe exist Raspbian ?wheezy? image with enabled ssh server?
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[14:36] <muep> eva_02: maybe boot a live image of GNU/Linux that can then read/write ext4 filesystems
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[14:37] <muep> or use some kind of a virtual machine to which you can pass the card reader (if it is an usb-connected reader)
[14:39] <eva_02> i'm not sure that i can pass cardreader to virtual machine but I will try, thank you.
[14:40] <Will|> virtualbox, parallels and fusion all support passing the usb device to the guest
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[14:42] <Martin`> I wonder if it is hard to get a 433mhz reciever/sender work at an raspberry pi, maybe it is easier to connect it via an arduino
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[14:43] <xarragon> eva_02: I belive there are equivalents to the FUSE system used in Linux, but I have never touched a mac. But if you feel you can risk it: http://fuse4x.github.com/
[14:43] <Kevin_D> Martin, check the Raspberry Pi website. There was a post last week about someone using a 433Mhz radio with a Pi
[14:44] <Kevin_D> attached to a weather balloon
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[14:46] <Martin`> a weather balloon hmm ok
[14:46] <Martin`> :P
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[14:46] <Kevin_D> here - http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1620
[14:46] <WillDuckworth> it used the serial port attached to a radiometrix ntx2
[14:47] <Kevin_D> Article was called Pi in the sky, 18th July
[14:47] <Martin`> found it
[14:48] <xarragon> Kevin_D: Got to <3 that name.
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[14:50] <Kevin_D> xarragon - had to google <3... but yes, agreed!
[14:51] <xarragon> Kevin_D: So did you resolve <3 to "heart/love" or "asshat"? :-)
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[14:54] <Kevin_D> xarragon: actually, DuckDuckGo told me it means in_love...
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[14:55] <xarragon> Kevin_D: Ah, then I too have learned something.
[14:57] <OsakaFoo> if I put pins 8 TX 10 RX and ground to this http://www.sparkfun.com/products/449, would I get a serial interface, or do I need anything else magic?
[14:58] <Will|> I just mounted the wheezy.img file to have a poke around??? where are the boot.rc files?
[15:01] <cornflake> wheezy?
[15:01] <buZz> http://hackaday.com/2012/07/23/the-proper-way-to-put-an-arduino-in-a-raspberry-pi/
[15:01] <buZz> awesome
[15:02] <drogon> OsakaFoo, yes.
[15:02] <Will|> cornflake: 2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.img
[15:02] <drogon> Will|, /etc/init.d/
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[15:02] <Will|> hmm
[15:03] <Will|> nothing in there
[15:03] <Will|> well, no boot.rc
[15:03] <drogon> Will|, there is no boot.rc
[15:03] <Will|> o_O
[15:03] <Will|> ok I've bene misinformed then!
[15:03] <drogon> Will|, do you see a filesystem or just a bunch of files loke kernel.img ?
[15:03] <OsakaFoo> drogon: Thank you
[15:03] <Will|> drogon: the fs
[15:04] <drogon> Will|, well, there ought tp be etc at the top level, and in there is init.d and in there is a dozen or more scripts.
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[15:04] <Will|> yes sorry, whne I said nothing I meant not what I was looking for
[15:04] <drogon> excuse my typing forgot my glasses today )-:
[15:04] <Will|> which, it turns out, doesn't exist - so that makes sense :)
[15:05] <drogon> Debian boots by running a set of setrtup scripts - they're all held in /etc/init.d
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[15:05] <drogon> to run them in sequence symbolic links are created from (e.g.) /etc/rc0.d/ into /etc/init.d
[15:05] <Will|> was just about to ask, does it just use default debian init stuff then?
[15:05] <Will|> ok I can deal with that, cheers
[15:06] <drogon> yes - it's debian!
[15:06] <drogon> Wheezy is Debian 'testing' - ie. the next release of Debian that will become stable.
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[15:06] <drogon> Raspbian is Wheezy but with the added goodness of hardware floating point.
[15:06] <Will|> good to know, thanks
[15:06] <cornflake> Ah, gotcha
[15:06] <cornflake> man sparkfun is awesome
[15:07] <drogon> they're not bad - and good to see distributors in other countries.
[15:07] <drogon> I won't import anything directly myseld from the US - but I'll let someone else do it for me...
[15:07] <eva_02> muep, Will| this mean that card reader in not USB http://i.imgur.com/lonZD.png
[15:07] <eva_02> so sadly
[15:08] <Will|> odd
[15:08] <Will|> is it a builtin card reader?
[15:08] <Will|> on a macbook air/pro
[15:09] <eva_02> yes, it's a builtin card reader on macbook pro late 2011
[15:09] <lupinedk> can you backup a sd card with rasbpian by using win32diskimager read function?
[15:09] <lupinedk> and then write the image to a new card later?
[15:09] <cornflake> 2tb samsung 5400 at newegg for 99 right now
[15:10] <cornflake> usd
[15:10] <buZz> expensive
[15:10] <buZz> still ;(
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[15:10] <buZz> i bought 1TB for 50 about 3 years ago
[15:10] <cornflake> i know :(
[15:10] <rikkus> 'lo
[15:10] <cornflake> those were the days
[15:11] <Will|> grr
[15:11] <buZz> they will come back
[15:11] <drogon> slowly.
[15:11] <cornflake> yep, they're starting to
[15:11] <cornflake> slowly
[15:11] <cornflake> yep
[15:11] <drogon> although who knows if SSDs wil have caught up.
[15:11] <Will|> ok, this is a new one on me. chroot claims /bin/bash doesn't exist, but it does (inside the jail)
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[15:12] <rikkus> Will|: This at boot?
[15:12] <buZz> drogon: lol
[15:12] <buZz> yeah
[15:12] <buZz> as if
[15:12] <Will|> no trying to chroot into the mounted .img
[15:12] <buZz> SSD now = 1 credit for 1 GB
[15:12] <Will|> have mounted /mnt/ /mnt/{dev,proc,boot,sys}
[15:12] <buZz> HDD nom = 1 credit for 20 GB
[15:13] <Will|> `sudo chroot /mnt` gives me "chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory"
[15:13] <buZz> i think in 5 years SSDs _might_ be 1 credit for 20 GB
[15:13] <Will|> they're worth it
[15:13] <buZz> nothings worth it
[15:13] <buZz> its not L'Oreal
[15:13] <Will|> I have SSDs in both my laptops, they're worth it
[15:14] <cornflake> what is 1 credit?
[15:14] <rikkus> Will|: It's just funny because I tried to boot into raspbmc or whatever it's called earlier and got a very similar problem at boot (was about to chroot into mounted .img)
[15:14] <drogon> Will|, you're chrooting into a Pi image on .. what, another Pi, or x86 box?
[15:14] <Will|> cornflake: one local currency, I think
[15:14] <Will|> drogon: in a virtual machine; Linux debian 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sun May 6 04:00:17 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:14] <drazyl> it's a value of money equal to one go on space invaders
[15:14] <drogon> I have an SSD in my desktop - I'm not going back to spinny things for desktop use.
[15:15] <drogon> Will|, so is it an ARM virtual machine? /bin/bash will be compiled for ARM ...
[15:15] <lupinedk> dir
[15:15] <rikkus> drogon: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ssd-hdd-solid-state-drive-hard-disk-drive-prices,14336.html SSDs catching up quickly
[15:15] <Will|> hmm, so its trying to run /bin/bash not /mnt/bin/bash?
[15:15] <Will|> other way around
[15:15] <Will|> I have qemu etc setup
[15:15] <drogon> Will|, it will fail to run anything if the VM is not emulating ARM..
[15:15] <Will|> I thought this would work
[15:16] <Will|> vms inside vms
[15:16] <Will|> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/855/is-it-possible-to-update-upgrade-and-install-software-before-flashing-an-image
[15:16] <Will|> that's pretty much what I have done
[15:16] <drazyl> I don't see them coming down much faster than HD prices in that graph, pretty much the same
[15:17] <drogon> I think it seems silly to be at all concerend about the write cycles on an SD card that costs under a fiver.
[15:17] <rikkus> They've come down fast enough - not best speed/money for bulk storage but otherwise perfect
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[15:18] <rikkus> I mean, I don't balk at putting an SSD as the boot drive in anything, so they're cheap enough now.
[15:18] <drogon> rikkus, sure - but they're now looking attractive for servers where you need more storage - year ago I'd have said to wait for spinny prices to fall, really not sure now ...
[15:18] <rikkus> yep
[15:18] <Will|> if you're using ssd in mass storage you want some kind of multi-tiered storage management imo
[15:19] <Will|> or someone with a fat wallet financing you ;)
[15:19] <rikkus> Will|: Cheap enough for me
[15:19] <Will|> Well, it's ok for some :P
[15:19] <buZz> cornflake: 1 credit is 1 usd or euro
[15:19] <buZz> soon we will merge anyway
[15:19] <buZz> at the next bankcrash
[15:20] <buZz> might as well get used to credits
[15:21] <Will|> so if I give you $10, you'll give me C10, which I'll then exchange with you for ???10. Take that to the bank and get ~$12 :)
[15:21] <Will|> where do I sign up? ;)
[15:21] <buZz> Will|: bitcoin.ca
[15:21] <buZz> anyway
[15:21] <buZz> please do this cheat
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[15:21] <buZz> and empty the bank :)
[15:21] <Will|> with BTC it obviously wouldn't work
[15:22] <Will|> and I'm good without investing in a non-sticky currency, thanks :)
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[15:22] <buZz> no sticky-icky?
[15:22] <buZz> hawaii boombud?
[15:22] <Will|> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_(economics)
[15:23] <xarragon> Will|: Careful, someone got his parents fed to him as chilli doing stuff like that.
[15:23] <Will|> lol :D
[15:23] <buZz> ahh
[15:23] <buZz> well please currency-trade our current economy into oblivion plz
[15:23] <buZz> i'm bored with it
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[15:24] <Will|> if I'm not rich enough to use SSD in my fileservers, I'm not rich enough to play on the currency market :P
[15:25] <buZz> hmm, you need funding?
[15:25] <xarragon> buZz: No use, it will just be run up as more debt, collateralized and then pushed onto taxpayers as bailout.
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[15:25] <buZz> we could start a kickstarter to crowdsource you some money to destroy money
[15:25] <buZz> :P
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[15:29] <Martin`> I'm in!
[15:29] <buZz> :D
[15:29] <buZz> Will|: see, this could work ;)
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[16:04] <GriffenJBS> I'm wanting to power a pi from an ATX PS, using the 5V rail .... what is the power spec for the pi?
[16:04] <drogon> y5V
[16:05] <drogon> s/y//
[16:05] <drogon> just 5 volts.
[16:05] <GriffenJBS> no PS puts out exactly 5V, you need a tolerance, and current rating
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[16:06] <GriffenJBS> ukscone there is a name I recognize
[16:06] <GriffenJBS> USB specs for 5V +- 5% @ 500mA
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[16:07] <GriffenJBS> the rails of an ATX PS don't seem to fit in that range
[16:08] <ziltro> An ATX PSU will easily power an RPi, probably on the "always on" 5V supply, surely?
[16:08] <GriffenJBS> the ATX specs seem to say the same for the +5V rail +-5%, but the readings I'm getting are out of spec
[16:08] <ziltro> Or does the PSU say it goes higher than 5%?
[16:08] <ziltro> Is there any load on the PSU?
[16:09] <ziltro> I wouldn't be supprised if regular PC USB ports are powered almost straight off of the 5 V output of an ATX supply. Probably with a fuse or similar.
[16:10] <Tobias|> Not true ziltro
[16:10] <Tobias|> Mobos take 12v
[16:10] <Tobias|> And that's what handles your USB ports
[16:10] <ziltro> And 5 V and 3.3 V...
[16:10] <Tobias|> ah
[16:11] <GriffenJBS> Tobias|: ..? an ATX PS has 3.3V, 5V and 12V rails
[16:11] <ziltro> And -5 and -12 IIRC, but they are used less these days.
[16:12] <nid0> current atx no longer carries -5
[16:12] <GriffenJBS> ziltro: I agree on the USB using the 5V rail, and at 150W for a small one the 5V rail should have PLENTY of current for a pi
[16:12] * GriffenJBS agrees with nid0
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[16:13] <ziltro> I suspect -12 is only for RS232
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[16:13] <TheBrayn> hi
[16:14] <GriffenJBS> even a 150W should have about 12A on the 5V rail, so that's what lead me to looking at a molex for power
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[16:16] <TheBrayn> why shouldn't I power the raspberry pi with a usb-hub?
[16:18] <drazyl> powered hub?
[16:18] <GriffenJBS> .. ?? you should
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[16:19] <TheBrayn> drazyl: of course
[16:19] <drazyl> go for it, I do
[16:19] <TheBrayn> the quick start guide says you should not
[16:19] <drazyl> I think some hubs won't supply enough power
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[16:20] <drazyl> tbh haven't read the quick start guide
[16:20] <pi-bursar> Could always use two ports with a Y cable to be sure.
[16:20] <drazyl> I have a cheapish powered hub and use that to power the pi or charge my phone
[16:20] <drazyl> works for me
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[16:20] <GriffenJBS> the pi alone doesn't use much power, so it should be no issue
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[16:21] <GriffenJBS> the ethernet + usb items could push the power limit up
[16:21] <drazyl> even enough left over to run a backlit lcd display from the pi
[16:21] <drazyl> (connected via usb)
[16:22] <TheBrayn> which lcd-display do you use?
[16:22] <drazyl> picolcd 256x64 IIRC
[16:22] <drazyl> had it for a few years from another project
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[16:23] <drogon> I power 2 of my pi's currently with a powered USB hub.
[16:23] <TheBrayn> ok
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[16:23] <nizeguy> so my board stays on the red led... even without a sd card
[16:23] <`z> i found a powered usb hub
[16:23] <`z> that supplied only 4A with 28 ports
[16:24] <TheBrayn> the sticker on the back of my hub says: "Input Voltage Range: 5V DC 1A MAX"
[16:24] <drazyl> mine says "qc pass"
[16:24] <drazyl> :)
[16:24] <nizeguy> and can i use a micro sd adapter ?
[16:24] <TheBrayn> isn't 1A a bit low?
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[16:26] <drazyl> usb 2 specifies max 500ma from a port, so if that maps to 1a available it means two fully powered ports
[16:26] <drazyl> most devices use less
[16:27] <drazyl> but that's probably why a hub is not recommended
[16:27] <drazyl> (isn't wikipedia amazing, it makes me sound almost intelligent)
[16:28] <GriffenJBS> part of why I found a 4 port, with 2A rated input
[16:29] <GriffenJBS> need more power and cowbell
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[16:31] <xarragon> You need to hold the hub over your head and scream "I have the pooooweeer!" and turn into a muscular blonde man with a skull castle.
[16:31] <TheBrayn> Do I have to wear a Power Glove?
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[16:32] <xarragon> TheBrayn: Only if it has USB connectivity.
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[16:33] <drogon> what you need is a charger... or a cheap hub that does not obey the power negotiations.
[16:33] <drogon> if it obeys the power negotiations, then it will stall at 100mA and shouldn't provide more without the proper handshake - which the Pi won't do.
[16:34] <drogon> My not that cheap (?12) 4-port hub with 2A PSU doesn't do the handshake, so powers the Pi OK. Actually powes 2 Pi's OK.
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[16:35] <drogon> GriffenJBS, I'm using a LOGIK hub.
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[16:42] <lupinedk> bouncer running on rpi, nice
[16:42] <drogon> what's bouncer?
[16:43] <drogon> (a game, I presume?)
[16:43] <Martin`> an irc bouncer?
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[16:45] <lupinedk> ye znc
[16:45] <lupinedk> irc bouncer
[16:45] <Martin`> ok :)
[16:46] <Martin`> the raspberry does feel hot
[16:46] <mikma> i'm having weird freezes on raspi
[16:47] <Tachyon`> how so? and how powerful is your PSU?
[16:47] <mikma> currently 1200mA
[16:47] <mikma> it did the same with 700mA
[16:47] <Weaselweb> lupinedk: you know quassel(core)?
[16:47] <Tachyon`> ah, you'd expect taht to be enough to avoid any voltage drops under load or anything
[16:47] <lupinedk> Weaselweb nope
[16:48] <Tachyon`> does it freeze in any sort of predictable way or just randomly
[16:48] <Weaselweb> lupinedk: if you're running an IRC bouncer, it might be worth looking at it
[16:49] <Timmmaaaayyy> what is the majority of the community running? raspian (sp?) now days?
[16:49] <Timmmaaaayyy> or still debian?
[16:51] <mikma> tachyon`: i was just configuring my zyxel wlan usb in shell when it totally freezed
[16:51] * Weaselweb is definitely not in the majority when the rpi finaly arrives
[16:52] <drogon> I have raspbian wheezy and debian.
[16:52] <drogon> going to drop the wheezy for raspbian soon I think.
[16:52] <drogon> might even dump the debian, but I think there will still be a lot of people with it for some time and I want to be able to make sore software avalable in binary format.
[16:53] <Vibe> hi
[16:53] <Vibe> is it armel or armhf package for debian6?
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[16:54] <mikma> also, in case someone wants to configure wlan in shell instead of installing n+1 GUI programs: http://mikma.eu/hardware/raspberrypi/wlan.txt
[16:55] <nizeguy> guys my rpy stays on red...
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[16:55] <drogon> armel for debian
[16:55] <nizeguy> i received the board, connect it and it stays on red
[16:55] <mikma> nizeguy: didn't red mean ok
[16:55] <drogon> nizeguy, have you checked the SD card in another PC?
[16:56] <nizeguy> but shouldn't it display anything on the screen ?
[16:56] <nizeguy> it doesn't have a sdcard yet
[16:56] <drogon> nizeguy, it will display nothing without the SD card plugged in.
[16:56] <mikma> :D
[16:56] <nizeguy> i created one but on a micro sd + adapter
[16:56] <drogon> nizeguy, that's ok. most of them work.
[16:56] <drogon> most of the time.
[16:56] <mikma> well on me red led is power led so yeah, it's on if you are wondering
[16:56] <nizeguy> drogon: nice
[16:56] <TheBrayn> btw: which distro do you use on your rpi?
[16:57] <drogon> I'm using a kingston 4GB microSD in an adapter in one of my Pi's.
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[16:57] <TheBrayn> I'm looking for something a bit more fun than the standard stuff
[16:57] <drogon> TheBrayn, me? I'm using Debian/Raspbian/Wheezy..
[16:57] <nizeguy> i think i dd like this: dd if=raspian/2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/sdb1
[16:57] <nizeguy> using a usb adapter
[16:57] <TheBrayn> anyone maybe running gentoo?
[16:57] <buZz> maybe
[16:57] <buZz> maybe not!
[16:57] <drogon> nizeguy, of should have been /dev/sdb
[16:57] <buZz> its very quantum
[16:57] <nizeguy> drogon: okye
[16:58] <nizeguy> gonna retry it later...
[16:58] <drogon> TheBrayn, One or 2 have compiled a gentoo for the Pi. Takes a week or 2.
[16:58] <nizeguy> but it's normal then to the board to stay on red without displaying anything on the hdmi connected screen
[16:58] <drogon> nizeguy, yes.
[16:58] <TheBrayn> drogon: I don't plan to compile anything on the pi
[16:58] <nizeguy> drogon: nice !
[16:58] <anacron> there's maybe something wrong with me but I don't see the fun running different distros, especially gentoo
[16:59] <mikma> nizeguy: 17:54 <+mikma> well on me red led is power led so yeah, it's on if you are wondering
[16:59] <drogon> nizeguy, the Pi has just the tiniest bootloader built into it. just enough to read one file off the SD card.
[16:59] <TheBrayn> distcc!
[16:59] <nizeguy> okye !
[16:59] <nizeguy> hopes up again !
[16:59] <nizeguy> gonna dd it again later and retry
[16:59] <drogon> nizeguy, just make sure you dd to the /dev/sdb - that's the whole device. sdb1 is a partition and that's not what you need.
[17:00] <nizeguy> okye
[17:00] <drogon> nizeguy, also, add bs=1M to the command line - makes it go a bit faster - maybe.
[17:00] <nizeguy> drogon: thx...
[17:01] <anacron> any recommendations for a cheap usb intended to use with rpi?
[17:02] <anacron> usb wlan*
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[17:03] <Maior> anacron: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290621542457?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2648 was suggested to me, possibly by someone in here
[17:03] <Maior> anacron: it may/may not work, still waiting for mine to arrive
[17:03] <anacron> ah yeah, I've seen one article about those with rpi
[17:04] <anacron> it wasn't plug and play experience tough
[17:05] <drogon> anacron, I'm using a LOGIK hub. Seems OK for me.
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[17:05] <drogon> http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=logik+usb&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=10816914300241896862&sa=X&ei=OLkOUJajNY-JhQf2y4DQCg&ved=0CFkQ8wIwAw
[17:05] <drogon> hm. longer URL that I expected.
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[17:06] <anacron> wlan!
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[17:09] <drogon> ok
[17:09] <drogon> gotta go home now.
[17:09] <drogon> laters..
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[17:10] <Weaselweb> TheBrayn: you can also corsscompile in gentoo for your target from some host
[17:10] <Weaselweb> *crosscompile
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[17:11] <Martin`> strange, raspbmc get only the first time a ip adres, after reboot it does not work anymore :P
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[17:15] <Martin`> hmm /etc/network/interfaces is empty, that is not right I think?
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[17:16] <Meatballs> one would hope for eth0 to be in there :D
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[17:16] <techsurvivor> i can put mine on gist for you for an example
[17:16] <Tachyon`> maalox
[17:16] <Tachyon`> Martin`*
[17:17] <Tachyon`> if you're using Network Manager that's not unusual
[17:17] <Martin`> hmm ok
[17:17] <Tachyon`> as it sets up the nics itself
[17:17] <Tachyon`> but if you're booting to console and want net
[17:17] <Tachyon`> you might want to put something in there if only teh DHCP lines
[17:17] <Martin`> hmm I restored the bak file of the interfaces file
[17:18] <Tachyon`> oh, odd, so it did have one at one point
[17:18] <techsurvivor> https://gist.github.com/3170601
[17:18] <Martin`> tnx
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[17:19] <techsurvivor> well if you use network manager, like they pointed out, I don't think you will have entries in there
[17:19] <Gabtendo> I'm hooking up a raspberry pi to my second monitor in my dorm room ^.^
[17:20] <techsurvivor> they make good thin clients ;)
[17:20] <Martin`> techsurvivor: ok, but is is strange because i do not recieve an ip anymore, lets check it is works now :)
[17:20] <Gabtendo> I'll SSH into my server and have a persistent IRC instance running
[17:20] <techsurvivor> well you probably won't need the wlan0 stuff :) . do an lsmod
[17:20] <Martin`> I only have lo and eth0 now :)
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[17:21] <Gabtendo> Do raspberry pis go very far as servers?
[17:21] <Gabtendo> out of curiosity
[17:21] <Gabtendo> web servers, that is
[17:21] <techsurvivor> go far?
[17:21] <Gabtendo> What do you bottleneck on?
[17:21] <techsurvivor> i put nginx on mine, along with php and it seemed okay :)
[17:21] <Gabtendo> heh, cool
[17:21] <Martin`> still no ip :'(
[17:21] <Gabtendo> https://gabmedia.org/test.php
[17:21] <Gabtendo> I wonder if that site would run on one ^
[17:21] <techsurvivor> martin are you using wired or wireless?
[17:22] <Martin`> wired
[17:22] <Gabtendo> at least as high-availability
[17:22] <buZz> man i'm wired aswell
[17:22] <techsurvivor> hmmm mine always just worked :(
[17:22] <mikma> martin`: http://mikma.eu/hardware/raspberrypi/wlan.txt
[17:22] <buZz> wonder when my gf-of-the-day arrives
[17:22] <techsurvivor> i like nginx because it's a lot lighter weight than apache
[17:22] <buZz> mikma: apt-get install wicd wicd-curses
[17:22] <Martin`> don't need wireless
[17:22] <Martin`> hmm raspbmc settings won't start
[17:22] <buZz> i need 3G
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[17:23] <buZz> but i'm too lazy to set it up
[17:23] <buZz> anyone already did it? :P
[17:23] <mikma> buzz: yeah but this is doing the same from shell
[17:23] <buZz> mikma: well, wicd is easier to use ;)
[17:23] <Gabtendo> nginx is nice
[17:23] <Martin`> hmm now xbmc did crash
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[17:24] <mikma> buzz: i agree but then again, i'm not a fan of installing 50 packages when you can done it in 7 simple steps :D
[17:24] <buZz> heh i agree fully with that :)
[17:24] <buZz> but i still have 7.5GB free @ raspi
[17:25] <techsurvivor> mikma thanks for that :) . I saved it off. I forgot how I got mine working lolz
[17:25] <techsurvivor> my biggest issue was just figuring out how to get the driver working and then I found someone's nice install script that did it all for me. I was giong to dig into it and see exactly what he did, but I think you already did that :)
[17:29] <Martin`> Disconnected an usb device now network works, to much power?
[17:31] <cornflake> Gabtendo?
[17:31] <cornflake> lol
[17:31] <cornflake> from what.cd?
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[17:31] <Gabtendo> cornflake: maybe
[17:31] <Gabtendo> maybe not
[17:35] <Gabtendo> I'll bbl
[17:35] <Gabtendo> work >.<
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[17:43] <ziltro> I've got an old server PSU which I think supplies 28 Amps at 5 V. I wonder if I could use that for the RPi... :)
[17:43] <ziltro> (When it arrives)
[17:43] <ziltro> Actually I thinnk its standby power is more than 1 A.
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[17:50] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, *any* PSU that can deliver at least 700mA at 5V will work with the Pi... Whether it makes sense, or is efficient is another matter :)
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[17:51] <ziltro> I prefer it not to make sense. ;)
[17:51] <ziltro> The PSU is soo many times the size of a RPi...
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> most are...
[17:52] <ziltro> I've got a small server PSU somewhere too, which is about as powerful, but it is difficult to make them turn on.
[17:52] * markllama wants to set his on top of a 1400AH UPS :-)
[17:52] <Weaselweb> 700mA and 5V is 3,5W, so any PC PSU is overkill
[17:52] <ziltro> If it would power it for 48 hours you should be okay.
[17:53] <ziltro> ie. most power cuts won't last longer than 48 hours I shouldn't think, so you won't need to reset the clock.
[17:53] <ziltro> Does the time stay correct over a reboot? I suspect not.
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[17:54] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, you stick a paperclip between the 2 pins and they turn on...
[17:54] * markllama wonders if there would be a market for a battery backed NTP appliance.
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[17:54] <ziltro> gordonDrogon: Which two pins? :)
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[17:54] <ziltro> On a server PSU it can involve three pins.
[17:55] <ziltro> ATX is easy, that's a standard.
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, I don't know off-hand, I could google it, but you can to: search wikipedia for at PSU
[17:55] <ziltro> I haven't looked into this particular PSU yet.
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX_PSU#Power_supply
[17:55] <ziltro> gordonDrogon: The server PSU isn't ATX.
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[17:56] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, I'm sure google is your friend for it though.
[17:56] <curfont> Hey guys, has anyone else got an issue with 1080p files using DarkELEC/XBMC where you get "boxy" artifacts?
[17:56] <ziltro> I hope so...
[17:57] <curfont> Tried googling for "boxy", didn't get far :P
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[17:57] <Stoob> lol
[17:57] <Stoob> boxxy
[17:57] <curfont> true :/
[17:58] <curfont> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7v4dw1oay5izdjo/20120723_214324.mp4
[17:58] <curfont> like this
[17:59] <curfont> 720p works fine
[17:59] <curfont> XVid.. of course doesnt work at all
[17:59] <curfont> or slowly with Rasbmc
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[18:00] <[SkG]> hmmm curfont specs of that file?
[18:00] <curfont> is there a linux command to get the specs?
[18:00] <curfont> or a program in linux?
[18:00] <[SkG]> uh mediainfo
[18:00] <curfont> ah ok
[18:00] <curfont> sec
[18:01] <ziltro> avprobe?
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[18:01] <ziltro> Or the ffmpeg equivelent.
[18:01] <[SkG]> if its mkv
[18:01] <[SkG]> mkvtoolnix too
[18:01] <[SkG]> or
[18:01] <[SkG]> mkvinfo
[18:01] <ziltro> Ah I wish I could find a way to onvert DVD VOB to MKV without reencoding.
[18:01] <ziltro> Actually I want audio > FLAC, but other than that. :)
[18:02] <[SkG]> ziltro you can dream
[18:02] <[SkG]> xD
[18:02] <ziltro> Mmm, it should be simple.
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[18:02] <curfont> Writing library : x264 core 65 r1066M 045ae40
[18:02] <curfont> Ac-3 audio
[18:02] <[SkG]> hmmm
[18:03] <curfont> Format : AVC
[18:03] <[SkG]> curfont there is any "profile"
[18:03] <ziltro> Anyone come across AC-2 audio?
[18:03] <[SkG]> something like 4.1 4.0 ...
[18:03] <ziltro> I know, random off-topic question, but I have some AC-2 audio and want to be able to convert it.
[18:03] <[SkG]> maybe you can paste the result to pastebin?
[18:03] <curfont> ok sec
[18:03] <[SkG]> ok ziltro mea culpa, http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-134531.html
[18:04] <martk100> How do I write a script file to start an application which requires root privilege without needing to enter the root password?
[18:04] <[SkG]> look the 9th post of that link ziltro
[18:04] <ziltro> ???Just demux the main movie using PGCdemux, use ChapterXtractor on the main movie's ifo and save them in Ogg format, and then mux the results together.??? I like the use of "just"...
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[18:05] <ziltro> [SkG]: Ah interesting, thanks. Looks a bit manual, but maybe there's an automatable way...
[18:05] <[SkG]> see also the 10th post
[18:05] <[SkG]> ;)
[18:06] <ziltro> martk100: I think you'll need to edit /etc/sudoers. There should be a man mage for sudoers, or online instructions.
[18:06] <curfont> [SkG]: http://haxdev.ath.cx/mediainfo.txt
[18:06] <curfont> direct pipe to www folder
[18:06] <curfont> :P
[18:06] <[SkG]> haha curfont
[18:06] <[SkG]> found the problem
[18:06] <[SkG]> :)
[18:06] <[SkG]> I think
[18:06] <curfont> ?? :O
[18:07] <[SkG]> let me do some calcs
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[18:07] <curfont> Format profile : High@L4.1
[18:07] <curfont> I guess this
[18:08] <ziltro> martk100: https://sleekmason.wordpress.com/fluxbox/using-etcsudoers-to-allow-shutdownrestart-without-password/ Might help. I haven't read it all.
[18:08] <curfont> btw, this same file works on my phone (Samsung Galaxy S2)
[18:08] <curfont> I have a smb, nfs and UPnP (MediaTomb or UMS)
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[18:09] <mikma> ziltro: unplug powercord, profit!
[18:10] <[SkG]> yep curfont maybe is not the problem as I initially tougth
[18:10] <[SkG]> I had problems with 5.1
[18:10] <[SkG]> profile 5.1
[18:10] <[SkG]> and hight bitrates
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[18:10] <[SkG]> but that file should work
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[18:11] <[SkG]> then I have no clue
[18:11] <[SkG]> sorry
[18:11] <curfont> [SkG]: It should be downpassing
[18:11] <curfont> Or whatever its called
[18:11] <curfont> My system is 2.0
[18:11] <[SkG]> no no is not the audio
[18:11] <curfont> ah ok
[18:11] <[SkG]> is the video codec profile
[18:12] <[SkG]> you can try plaing it with Raspbian with omxplayer
[18:12] <curfont> which seems like a normal high 1080p h264
[18:12] <[SkG]> yes
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[18:12] <[SkG]> I have some High@L5.1 @ 12MBit
[18:12] <curfont> I was thinking maybe of dumping xbmc completely
[18:12] <[SkG]> that give some problems
[18:12] <curfont> And using just omxplayer by itself
[18:12] <[SkG]> try the new reference image of Raspbian with is omxplayer
[18:12] <curfont> ah ok
[18:13] <curfont> did you ever get 5.1 to work?
[18:13] <[SkG]> nope
[18:13] <[SkG]> but all of my 4.1 and lower works without problems
[18:14] <curfont> I was thinking of RT Transcoding
[18:14] <curfont> off my media box
[18:14] <curfont> ever get anything like that to work?
[18:14] <ziltro> Who needs front centre anyway?
[18:15] <curfont> ?
[18:15] * Martin` wonders why raspbmc has a modemmanager
[18:15] <ziltro> To manage modems.
[18:15] <ziltro> For dial-up quality video.
[18:17] <buZz> which modemmanager?
[18:17] <buZz> i need a console 3G enabler
[18:17] <buZz> or something
[18:17] <curfont> what does raspbian use for xserver?
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[18:23] <Martin`> ok lets try rpi on a tv check if the remote control works of the tv: P
[18:24] <curfont> [SkG]: http://haxdev.ath.cx/mediainfo2.txt
[18:24] <curfont> this works
[18:24] <curfont> and it's L5.1
[18:25] <piksel> i were planning to take a look at qt5, and everywhere it says that "the wheezy image" contains qt5 in /opt/qt50, but there is no such direcotry on my raspbian install. did something change?
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[18:27] <[Phaedrus]> Hello everyone
[18:28] <[Phaedrus]> Quick question: ran rpi-update and hand a hang up, rebooted and ran it again and now it says some /root/ some directory is not empty
[18:28] <[Phaedrus]> Is there a way to force it to clean it and do a start from the beginning?
[18:28] <[Phaedrus]> *hand = had
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[18:29] <curfont> [SkG]: also http://haxdev.ath.cx/mediainfo5.txt but they are both <=720p so I guess thats why
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[18:31] <techsurvivor> phaedrus look in the file near the beginning there might be some "ran once already" file that it's looking for, not sure though
[18:31] <techsurvivor> beginning of the script
[18:31] <[SkG]> curfont 5.1 1080p is what I tied
[18:31] <[SkG]> tried*
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[18:32] <techsurvivor> oh :( . it must be chekcing for soemthing else then
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[18:32] <piksel> [Phaedrus], looking at the source, it may be /root/.rpi-firmware that you could try renaming
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[18:33] <techsurvivor> see if you don't have a .fwrevision in /boot
[18:33] <[Phaedrus]> Piksel, that worked. Thanks.
[18:34] <piksel> cool.
[18:34] <[Phaedrus]> I wasnt sure if i had access into /root
[18:34] <Chetic> how do I add an extension for omxplayer to use .mkv in midnight commander? I'm looking at other extensions and it's like looking at chinese
[18:35] <Chetic> I just want to add a shell string to add before the mkv filenames
[18:35] <Chetic> "DISPLAY=:0 omxplayer -o hdmi <file>"
[18:37] <IT_Sean> Am i still here?
[18:37] <Chetic> yes!
[18:37] <techsurvivor> nope
[18:37] <techsurvivor> :D
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[18:37] <IT_Sean> Ok, good.
[18:37] <IT_Sean> Network is really spotty here.
[18:38] <Qtr> So could I connect my mobile wireless modem to the raspberry?
[18:38] <Scepterr> anybody use wireless usb with rpi ?
[18:38] <piksel> short answer; yes!
[18:39] <Qtr> So could I connect my mobile wireless modem(usb) to the raspberry?
[18:39] <Scepterr> got a wusb dongle and dock with dvi, 2x usb
[18:39] <Chetic> yes, Scepterr
[18:39] <Scepterr> works well ?
[18:39] <Chetic> after I got it working, yeah
[18:39] <piksel> Scepterr: brand?
[18:39] <Scepterr> cablesunlimited
[18:39] <Qtr> so i could make a remote management app with a raspberry+mobile modem?
[18:39] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt
[18:39] <Chetic> the issue I had was solved in raspbian though
[18:39] <piksel> sure, mine is on a E220 right now
[18:40] <techsurvivor> Scepterr: yes, i used this script to get going, but i think it depends on your usb wireless stick http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=6256
[18:40] <Qtr> piksel: are you talking to me?
[18:40] <piksel> Qtr: yes :)
[18:40] <Scepterr> thats wifi
[18:40] <Qtr> ok
[18:41] <techsurvivor> oh nm then. sorry
[18:41] <Scepterr> not usb wirelesss stick, wireless usb :)
[18:42] <Scepterr> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882339221
[18:42] <Qtr> this is very cool
[18:43] <Scepterr> got it for $30
[18:43] <Qtr> raspberry vs beagle, go!
[18:43] <Qtr> i dont need a jtag for a raspberry right?
[18:43] <Scepterr> nope
[18:43] <Qtr> can i still write a bootloader?
[18:43] <ziltro> It all goes on the SD card
[18:43] <Scepterr> you can write uboot to sdcard
[18:44] <ziltro> Does that allow booting from USB floppy disk?
[18:44] <piksel> not directly
[18:44] <ziltro> Well that's just not good enough.
[18:45] <IT_Sean> The raspi looks to the SD card for boot instructions. You can use an SD card to boot it off of a USB thinger, though.
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[18:45] <piksel> why would you want to boot from a floppy? :O
[18:45] <ziltro> Because it is there. ;)
[18:45] <IT_Sean> wait... floppy!?
[18:45] <ziltro> I mean UBoot on SD Card then boot from floppy.
[18:45] <IT_Sean> Why on earth would you want to boot from a FLOPPY!?
[18:45] <mikma> usb floppy disk sounds sexy
[18:45] <ziltro> I don't think I really would, but it could be fun
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[18:45] <ziltro> ... Except a modern kernel won't fit, will it?
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[18:45] <techsurvivor> you might if you were born before 1985 :)
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[18:46] <ziltro> I have a USB floppy drive so I don't need to own any others or motherboards with support for floppy. :)
[18:46] <ziltro> Except USB floppy only reads 'DOS' formatted disks, as it really talks SCSI.
[18:47] <techsurvivor> i hate floppies so I'm out of this conversation :)
[18:47] * jprvita is now known as jprvita|afk
[18:47] <ziltro> I've used floppies - I hate them too. ;)
[18:47] <ziltro> But it might be fun. Like how someone did a floppy RAID.
[18:47] <piksel> well spent time
[18:48] <piksel> *time well spent. im tired.
[18:48] <ziltro> I think so. Sounds like a great idea for future storage.
[18:48] <ziltro> With enough floppy drives you could have many TB of storage.
[18:49] <piksel> yes, and with enough punchcards you could store wikipedia
[18:49] <ziltro> How many three-phase supplies you'd need to power it all I don't know. ;)
[18:49] <ziltro> Woo, Wikipedia on paper
[18:49] <ziltro> Well, card.
[18:49] <ziltro> Actually a papertape/punch card reader might be a fun project
[18:50] <prpplague> those are always fun
[18:50] <piksel> indeed
[18:50] <mikma> [skg]: so.... omxplayer requiring libavcodec54. where can i get that cause repo has 5.3?
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[18:51] <gordonDrogon> punchcards? Mercury delay lines, anyone?
[18:51] <megaproxy> o/
[18:51] <ziltro> I'm not old enough to have ever used a punch card.
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[18:52] <IT_Sean> Really?
[18:52] <IT_Sean> punchcards?
[18:52] <IT_Sean> wou want to bring back PUNCHCARDS?
[18:52] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:52] <ziltro> Well you didn't like the idea of floppies. ;)
[18:53] * IT_Sean sneakily randomizes all of ziltro's punchcards
[18:53] <piksel> what about some core memory?
[18:53] <ziltro> I mean it might be a nice project for someone into hardware. Simple-ish.
[18:53] <ziltro> Stepper motor and LEDs and light sensors, presumably.
[18:53] <techsurvivor> ziltro probably has a card sorter just in case they get out of order :D
[18:53] <ziltro> I don't own any punch cards!
[18:53] * IT_Sean sabotages ziltro's card sorter
[18:54] <ziltro> But my dad does.
[18:54] <IT_Sean> whoops...
[18:54] <IT_Sean> I guess i randomized ziltro's dad's punchcards.
[18:54] <IT_Sean> sorry 'bout that.
[18:54] <techsurvivor> an old programmer told me an intern messed up his cards and he gave him a hard time in jest (intern didn't know about card sorters) and scared him to death lolz
[18:54] <IT_Sean> I hope they weren't important.
[18:54] <ziltro> As long as you didn't take the holes off.
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[18:54] <Qtr> My dad programmed me using punches. Not the same thing though.
[18:55] <SgrA> Anyone use spectrwm (scrotwm) on their RPi?
[18:55] <mikma> hoh hoh reference to familyviolence har har
[18:55] <IT_Sean> No. Different process entirely.
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[18:56] <ziltro> You could print lines with hole templates on an A4 sheet and cut them into strips then use a hole-punch to create some short paper tapes.
[18:56] <Qtr> how much ia raspberry?
[18:57] <ziltro> From the local greengrosers?
[18:57] <IT_Sean> They sell 'em by weight here... i haven't checked the recent prices though
[18:57] <IT_Sean> Depends on if they are in season or not.
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[19:02] <Qtr> so can you write a bootloader for rpi?
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[19:02] <ziltro> Probably, depending on what you want a bootloader to do.
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[19:04] <PiBot> TStorm coming in, powering down for a little.
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[19:07] <Martin`> unable to found how to enable cec
[19:07] <sirspazzolot> does anyone in here know how to change screen resolution or do I want to make a forum topic?
[19:08] <Martin`> "Don't waste your time. simplink is not supported for now." ok then I stop searching :P
[19:08] <ziltro> Ctrl+Alt+NumberPad + or -
[19:08] <Maior> ziltro: isn't that X-only?
[19:08] <ziltro> That'll change the screen resolution temporariy, as long as it hasn't been disabled.
[19:08] <ziltro> Oh, I was assuming X.
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[19:09] <sirspazzolot> I'll try it, ziltro
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[19:09] <sirspazzolot> yes X, using raspbian. probably should've specified haha
[19:09] <ziltro> I don't know if it'll work on the RPi.
[19:09] <Maior> ah ok
[19:10] <ziltro> I've heard there is screen resolution configuration in a text file in the FAT partition on the SD card?
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[19:10] <sirspazzolot> I guess I'll check that out
[19:10] <sirspazzolot> thanks
[19:10] <ziltro> My RPi hasn't arrived yet though. :)
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[19:11] <sirspazzolot> eh, it isn't working
[19:11] <sirspazzolot> and lol my estimated ship date was mid-september
[19:12] <sirspazzolot> but I got it about a week ago out of nowhere
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[19:13] <Pitel> I have a problem with my pi. I installed raspbian this weekend, wo it worked cpuple of days ago. Now i noticed it just blinks OK led 5 or 6 times, then pause, then blinks again, etc. What does it mean?
[19:13] <ziltro> I was told mine shipped yesterday.
[19:16] <sirspazzolot> well I found a straightforward, unanswered forum topic on changing the screen resolution so I guess I won't make a new one
[19:17] <Pitel> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern this... I wonder what happened :/
[19:18] <ziltro> Pitel: Check the FAT partition to make sure those files are there and perhaps check their checksums?
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[19:21] <Pitel> ziltro: yeah yeah, will do, and probably replace the with latest one from git repo.
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[19:30] <passstab> is there a good explanation of the differences between start.elf and arm224_start.elf ?
[19:31] <ziltro> At a complete guess, the first runs on the GPU, the secone on the CPU?
[19:31] <sheppard> nope
[19:32] <passstab> i found it
[19:32] <sheppard> good
[19:32] <agumonkey> start.elf is the name of the loaded one right ?
[19:32] <passstab> http://rpi-blog.com/how-to-increase-amount-of-ram-available-by-decreasing-video-memory/
[19:32] <passstab> yes
[19:32] <sheppard> agumonkey: yep
[19:32] <agumonkey> * take that alzheimer *
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[19:33] <ziltro> Ah, so you would use symlinks, if only FAT supported them? :)
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[19:38] <mikma> omxplayer hdmi audio not working? 'omxplayer -o hdmi file.mp4' ;)
[19:39] <sheppard> worked fine when I tested
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[19:47] <waynix> the usb and lan chip on my raspberry does not react anymore what can I do to debug
[19:47] <Qtr> so when you first get your raspberry there is no OS no nothing. how do you start? You upload your program via SD card? what about memory layouts etc?
[19:47] <waynix> os is booting
[19:48] <waynix> I can login over the serial console
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[19:48] <waynix> lssub returns
[19:48] <waynix> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[19:48] <waynix> but nothing more
[19:48] <waynix> *lsusb
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[19:52] <sirspazzolot> waynix I hate to be that guy but have you tried just reflashing the sd card?
[19:53] <waynix> i tried serveral images
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[19:54] <sirspazzolot> uhh plug in a powered gadget to the usb port if you have one?
[19:54] <sirspazzolot> to see if it's alive?
[19:55] <sirspazzolot> I'm dumb but nobody else is trying
[19:55] <waynix> no device is plugged to the usb eternet hub
[19:55] <mikma> then the lsusb prints correctly
[19:55] <sirspazzolot> try plugging something in to see if it gets power
[19:55] <waynix> nope stadart is alt least threee usb devices
[19:56] <waynix> three pins of the usb are at 5V level
[19:56] <mikma> .. what?
[19:56] <waynix> sorry
[19:57] <waynix> there are at least three devices listed when nothing is plugged to the raspberry
[19:57] <sirspazzolot> lol
[19:58] <waynix> *should be
[19:58] <sirspazzolot> oh
[19:58] <mikma> waynix: is it a powered usb hub?
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[19:59] <sirspazzolot> (confirmation that there should in fact be 3 listings without anything plugged in)
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[19:59] <plugwash> from lusb?
[19:59] <plugwash> *lsusb
[20:00] <waynix> yeah
[20:00] <mikma> i'm not entirely sure should it report the devices being plugged in if they are in a usb hub
[20:00] <waynix> but not on my raspberry
[20:00] <piksel> mikma, aer you asking if the raspberry pi is a powered hub?
[20:00] <plugwash> mikma, they ARE in a usb hub
[20:00] <Tachyon`> it does
[20:00] <mikma> has this usb hub worked before
[20:00] <Tachyon`> lsusb reports all devices
[20:00] <sirspazzolot> mikma there is no hub involved, he has nothing plugged in
[20:00] <Tachyon`> but you have to be root
[20:00] <Tachyon`> or it won't work
[20:01] <plugwash> and yes there should be three entries with nothing plugged in, the "root hub", the hub in the USB hub with ethernet chip and the ethernet controller in the USB hub with ethernet chip
[20:01] <Tachyon`> in fact it will return nothing if you're not root
[20:01] <mikma> oh right
[20:01] <piksel> or rather, just the internal on-board hub
[20:01] <Tachyon`> no error or anything, just no output, lol
[20:01] <plugwash> sirspazzolot, read the schematic
[20:01] <nid0> how much power are you supplying to your pi?
[20:01] <sirspazzolot> plugwash I wasn't questioning it
[20:01] <waynix> 700ma
[20:01] <sirspazzolot> I was affirming
[20:01] <nid0> is that from a decent reliable supply?
[20:02] <plugwash> There *is* a hub involved even if nothing is plugged in
[20:02] <waynix> It worked the last week
[20:02] <piksel> still, you should try replacing the ps
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[20:02] <nid0> try a more powerful supply if available to be on the safe side, if you still have no joy i'd guess your pi is whats technically called, broke.
[20:02] <sirspazzolot> okay yes technically you're right but there's nothing external and I thought that it was clear what I meant
[20:03] <sirspazzolot> cough plugwash
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[20:03] * plugwash gets back to trying to fix the hercules build failure on raspbian
[20:04] <plugwash> don't ask me why people want to emulate a mainframe on a Pi but apparently people do
[20:04] <waynix> I burning a stock image to another SD card now to be on the shure side
[20:05] <Qtr> So if i want to be constantly connected to the internets i can buy a mobile bropadband solution with usb and stay connected? that would work?
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[20:05] <piksel> sure
[20:06] <piksel> or rather, it works with huawei e220, but chances are that it would work with others as long as they show up as a serial usb interface
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[20:07] <mikma> hmmrph, omxplayer stops playing before the videos should actually end
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[20:08] <waynix> replaced supply and image but only one usb device
[20:08] <piksel> Qtr, also you may need to use USB_ModeSwitch with certain modems
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[20:10] <piksel> waynix: what is connected, uart? ethernet?
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[20:14] <waynix> uart
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[20:15] <waynix> and composite
[20:16] <piksel> hm. i were hoping there could be some power leakage anywhere, but it seems like the board actually is broken :/
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[20:16] <waynix> damn
[20:16] <piksel> as far as i can tell anyway.
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[20:17] <waynix> I visiting a hackerspace next weekend and ask the guys there if they have an Idea
[20:18] <piksel> good luck
[20:18] <waynix> thx
[20:19] <waynix> It could be the fuse, but the pins on the usb port have power so i dont think this is the issue
[20:19] <ziltro> Try swapping SD cards and power supplies with another working RPi?
[20:19] <Qtr> so how much voltage can you give out?
[20:20] <waynix> 5V
[20:20] <ziltro> An RPi is cheaper then a mainframe, perhaps that's why people want to emulate one?
[20:20] <Qtr> what if you need more?
[20:20] <Qtr> how much electronics can you put?
[20:20] <plugwash> ok at least the hercules build system is sane and respect the CC environment variable
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[20:21] <mikma> [skg]: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3//viewtopic.php?f=38&t=11817
[20:21] <ziltro> Isn't a Hercules a graphics card? Probably ISA?
[20:21] <aaa801> We got android working on the pi :D
[20:21] <plugwash> ziltro, in this case it's an emulator for IBM mainframes
[20:21] <piksel> isnt hercules and old greek hero? thats what ive heard
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[20:22] <plugwash> though the name has also been used for graphics cards and probablly all sorts of other things
[20:22] <ziltro> Ah okay.
[20:22] <ziltro> So how do the specs compare? RPi vs Mainframe?
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[20:23] <plugwash> No idea, I just had a user on the forum point out that is was in debian and not in raspbian
[20:23] <plugwash> so I'm fixing that
[20:23] * ReggieUK glares at aaa801
[20:23] <ziltro> That's very good of you.
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[20:23] <aaa801> ReggieUK, wanna try a full speed android build :3
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[20:24] <ziltro> I want a real android. ;)
[20:26] <plugwash> ziltro, well that is pretty much how we created raspbian, we asked the users what packages weren't there that they wanted and then we investigated why and made em build
[20:26] <ziltro> Ah, that makes sense. :)
[20:26] <ziltro> I assume mpd and ncmpcpp are in there?
[20:27] <ziltro> I suppose I could find a way to look myself...
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[20:29] <ziltro> Okay, I found it.
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[20:33] <ziltro> The Raspbian FAQ is already a little outdated. :)
[20:34] <piksel> "we'll see when we get the hardware" :)
[20:34] <ziltro> It says the developers don't have hardware - don't know if that is still true - but also that the official SD card image isn't released yet.
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[20:35] <piksel> ah, yes that was what I meant
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[20:45] <swattor> evening all
[20:45] <swattor> at a raspberry pi jam in brighton
[20:47] <ziltro> Sounds sticky.
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[20:47] <SpeedEvil> I suggest ice cream with raspberry jam.
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[20:48] <SpeedEvil> I would suggest ice cream sandwitch - but it's not compatible.
[20:48] <ziltro> Brighton always makes me angry.
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[21:15] <sirspazzolot> does anyone know if the pi runs dwarf fortress? >.>
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[21:24] <GabrialDestruir> I now have two! Yay!
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[21:28] <jmg123> time to get them talking :-)
[21:29] <jmg123> multiplayer pong or something like that
[21:30] <sirspazzolot> make em fight
[21:30] <stefanBA> lock them in a dark place over night, maybe you have a few little ones afterwards ;-)
[21:30] <GabrialDestruir> First steps of a Pi AI >.>
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[21:31] <Timmmaaaayyy> can anyoen briefly explain the difference between raspbian and sapsbian wheezy??
[21:32] <Timmmaaaayyy> wow my typing = fail
[21:32] <sirspazzolot> LOL stefanBA
[21:33] <stefanBA> is there a non-wheezy raspbian?
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[21:33] <GabrialDestruir> I thought all raspbian was wheezy =\
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[21:33] <jmg123> rapsbian is wheezy
[21:33] <Timmmaaaayyy> http://www.raspbian.org/
[21:33] <Timmmaaaayyy> maybe it is all the same
[21:33] <sirspazzolot> oh wheezy is post-squeeze? I thought it was old
[21:34] <stefanBA> wheezy = squeeze + 1
[21:34] <millette> squeeze (stable) is debian's current version wheezy (testing) is the upcoming one
[21:34] <GabrialDestruir> Time to build my second case
[21:34] <GabrialDestruir> and install raspbian
[21:34] <Timmmaaaayyy> oooooh, so it's just the "release"
[21:34] <Timmmaaaayyy> Sweet!!! thanks so much
[21:35] <Timmmaaaayyy> so i'f i'm currently on debian squeeze, this is a few steps newer
[21:35] <GabrialDestruir> Yea....
[21:35] <jmg123> @GabrialDestruir definitely time to overvolt one now :-)
[21:35] <millette> quite a lot, actually :-) Since stable means stable: same software version on squeeze since its release 1-2 years ago (?)
[21:35] <GabrialDestruir> I'll wait until I have a third >.>
[21:35] <GabrialDestruir> Ones original stock.
[21:36] <reider59> Debian Squeeze was the recommended Distro for the RPi. along came Wheezy, a faster Distro but classed as a Beta. then Raspbian based on Wheezy was put together and this is the new recommended Distro for the RPi
[21:36] <jmg123> then you'll be like me
[21:36] <GabrialDestruir> Ones non original stock, so now I need a third I can break xD
[21:36] <jmg123> well I had three but I gave one to my brother
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[21:37] <jmg123> he now uses it to learn python :-~
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[21:38] <GabrialDestruir> Well I now have one I can dedicate to openelec
[21:38] <GabrialDestruir> and one I can dedicate to raspbian or some such OS
[21:39] <jmg123> xbmc runs well on raspbian :-) , has openelc improved? I tried the first build but it was too stuttery for my liking
[21:40] <jmg123> might give it another whirl with the latest build though
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[21:40] <GabrialDestruir> XBMC on raspbian? It exists now?
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[21:40] <corewillem> hello
[21:40] <jmg123> yeah
[21:40] <corewillem> i have a problem with my pi
[21:40] <jmg123> instructions for building xbmc on raspbian http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=10304&p=131732#p131732
[21:41] <corewillem> if i try a xbmc version it boot's but i get after the bootplash a black screen
[21:41] <jmg123> there are some prebuilt 4gb sd card images in the thread as wel
[21:41] <corewillem> i have my pi now on that screen for a hour
[21:41] <GabrialDestruir> The latest rpi build for openelec looks to be July 4 unless they've chanced where they're uploading it now
[21:41] <jmg123> @corewillem what OS are you running?
[21:42] <corewillem> ubuntu 12.10
[21:42] <GabrialDestruir> Ubuntu 12.10 for Rpi!
[21:42] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[21:42] <jmg123> ah I meant on you pi :-)
[21:43] <aaa801> Ok installing flash player 11 on the pi
[21:43] <corewillem> oh no on the pi i have tried openelec and rasbmc
[21:43] <corewillem> raspbmc
[21:43] <GabrialDestruir> It'd actually be kind of nice to get Ubuntu working on Rpi it'd be interesting.
[21:43] <corewillem> ;p
[21:43] <Timmmaaaayyy> what was better? openelec or raspbmc?
[21:43] <corewillem> both doesn't work
[21:43] <GabrialDestruir> I haven't tried raspbmc for a while.
[21:44] <corewillem> raspbmc installs and gives bootsplash and than black
[21:44] <corewillem> (but signal to my screen)
[21:44] <corewillem> openelec the same
[21:44] <GabrialDestruir> OpenElec works great, though it still seems to have a couple bugs here and there.
[21:44] <Timmmaaaayyy> raspbmc worked for me like two weeks ago. i was totally impressed with the majority of the playback. some files worked great....others not so much. all .mkv. i think it just dpeends on how heavily they're compressed
[21:44] <GabrialDestruir> Though I don't know if those bugs are just plugin bugs, or something wrong with xbmc itself
[21:44] <GabrialDestruir> etc
[21:44] <jmg123> is it just the stop openelec or raspbmc image, no modifications?
[21:44] <corewillem> and i both leth them 1 hour on that black screen
[21:45] <corewillem> yes
[21:45] <passstab> which images come with wifi drivers?
[21:45] <GabrialDestruir> Sounds to me like there's an issue between your Rpi and TV
[21:45] <GabrialDestruir> have you tried to force the hotplug?
[21:45] <jmg123> have you got a different sdcard or usb stick you could try them with?
[21:46] <corewillem> Raspbian ?wheezy? worked perfect
[21:46] <ziltro> Why do so many people use wireless LAN with a RPi?
[21:46] <corewillem> so i think my hardwre is fine
[21:46] <GabrialDestruir> I'd use WLAN with my rPi just to make it more portable.
[21:46] <ziltro> Surely it is simpler just to use the ethernet port?
[21:47] <markllama> ziltro++
[21:47] <markllama> except when there's no convenient net wall socket near your TV :-)
[21:47] <sraue> corewillem, maybe a psu issue? xbmc uses much resources and maybe needs a bit more power
[21:47] * markllama has convenient net wall sockets since he wired his own house.
[21:47] <sirspazzolot> ziltro for some reason everyone I know is dumbfounded by wired internet
[21:47] <ziltro> Surely that's a problem waiting for a fix then?
[21:47] <GabrialDestruir> I only use ethernet port because I have a convenient bridge near my TVs
[21:47] <millette> ziltro, a few aa batteries + wireless, what could you want more?
[21:48] <ziltro> Ethernet is so hard. You 1. Plug in the cable.
[21:48] <aaa801> Ok
[21:48] <aaa801> got official flash player on the pi
[21:48] <aaa801> :D
[21:48] <ziltro> Ah, if you run it on batteries that's different.
[21:48] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[21:48] <corewillem> hmmm i have a power usb port
[21:48] <jmg123> btw here is the link to the raspbian+xbmc image http://silenz.se/download/raspbian-xbmc-2012-07-19.img.7z
[21:48] <GabrialDestruir> You have official flash player working on rPi?
[21:48] <corewillem> i will try that image
[21:48] <GabrialDestruir> I thought that was gonna be a big "NEVER GONNA HAPPEN"
[21:49] <jmg123> @coreWilliam once the pi has starte don't call startx
[21:49] <jmg123> do this:
[21:49] <ziltro> Isn't it a "please never let it happen"? ;)
[21:49] <passstab> my Ethernet is on a different floor from the TV
[21:49] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder what the progress for dual booting has been lately....
[21:49] <jmg123> clear ; sudo /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin
[21:49] <ziltro> Ah. Don't people install ethernet sockets by their TV these days then?
[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> Why would they when TVs have wireless adapters built in?
[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> lo
[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> lol*
[21:50] <ziltro> They do? Wow.
[21:50] <aaa801> GabrialDestruir: if you count running official flash within android on the pi
[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> Well, TVs these days
[21:50] <aaa801> :D
[21:50] <passstab> which images come with wifi drivers? :P
[21:50] <corewillem> whoot i can now log in
[21:50] <ziltro> Actually I've never bought a TV. Except a ??20 B&W one.
[21:50] <corewillem> what's the password and username
[21:50] <ziltro> I use my computer/s to do TVing.
[21:51] <corewillem> pi and raspberry doesn't work
[21:51] <jmg123> for which distro?
[21:51] <corewillem> raspbmc
[21:51] <corewillem> raspbmc
[21:51] <GabrialDestruir> RTFFAQ
[21:51] <jmg123> hmm not sure about raspbmc
[21:51] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, Ethernet by the TV... Haha... let me tell you a story about Etherne by my TV ...
[21:51] <ziltro> Is it a long story? ;)
[21:51] <passstab> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions#Comparison
[21:51] <mikma> oh this should be nice
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[21:52] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.raspbmc.com/wiki/user/frequently-asked-questions/
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> I have some video phones - they have composite output, so I thought it would be good to put on one top of my TV for a demo... run a long Ethernet cable to it, and turned it on ...
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> my TV is an old Sony flat screen tube and it has a big old degausing coil that goes thwup when you turn the TV on...
[21:52] <ziltro> I used some videophones. They were ... What's a non-fowl-language way to put it? Less then good.
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> it fired my switch.
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, "sup optimal".
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> sub*
[21:53] <ziltro> Yes, they were that.
[21:53] <ziltro> It seems they were outputting PAL at 60Hz.
[21:53] <ziltro> We had the whole UK supply of them in the lounge and an engineer tested them all on our TV.
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> that's wrong. Pal is 50Hz.
[21:53] <ziltro> No, /some/ were 60Hz, some worked.
[21:53] * gordonDrogon boggles. What make?
[21:53] <ziltro> Hmm good question. I forget now, it was a long time ago.
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> i've used the Grandstreams ones - GXP3000, their first ones.
[21:54] <ziltro> The whole UK supply was only about 6 or so. ;)
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> still have one on my desk..
[21:54] <ziltro> These were not ethernet ones, they had modems.
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> eek..
[21:54] <ziltro> Plus two serial ports.
[21:54] <ziltro> Yeah, ungood quality.
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> double eek :)
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> I tried to use them in a family setting as a precursor to trying to sell them to businesses - failed miserably.
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> so they all now use Skypeeeeee
[21:56] <corewillem> hmmmmm
[21:56] <reider59> Have a quick look at this, Gordon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnZxQ_ahJA0
[21:56] <ziltro> It seems that video conferencing is a solution waiting for a problem.
[21:56] <corewillem> found root root :)
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[21:57] <gordonDrogon> reider59, that's pretty neat.
[21:57] <reider59> I thought so too lol
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, yea - unless you're big, expensive and have money to burn.
[21:58] <reider59> On a buzz now, found my incoming 16x2 LCD shield with buttons can be used in LCD Smartie too
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[21:58] <gordonDrogon> reider59, the ATmega has bery high impedance inputs so it's can be used for touch switches like that.
[21:58] <ziltro> The guy who thought it would be a good idea was used to doing video conferencing on... shall we say... milliary satellites.
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> reider59, although AVR sell the software for a premium, I reckon I know how it works..
[21:58] <ziltro> Somehow the PSTN wasn't quite the same bandwidth.
[21:58] <corewillem> i"m loged in now jmg123 but your command don't work startx don't work
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[21:59] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, that's what ISDN was sold for and at least one codec is optimised for 128Kb/sec..
[21:59] <jmg123> logged on to rasbmc, or the custom raspbian image from the link?
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> right. must get that PiFace software done now..
[21:59] <ziltro> ISDN is brilliant...
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[21:59] <corewillem> rasbmc noth the custom
[22:00] <jmg123> ah
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[22:00] <jmg123> the commadn was for the custom
[22:00] <corewillem> okay
[22:00] <reider59> This is the one I ordered http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/280924587696?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&adtype=pla
[22:00] <corewillem> how must i start the normal ?
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[22:01] <jmg123> try sudo initctl start xbmc
[22:01] <corewillem> sudo command not fount
[22:01] <millette> you won't get your sandwich...
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[22:07] <mikma> https://github.com/Bioshox/Raspcontrol
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> I find it odd that people are distributing Linux software using ZIP...
[22:09] <millette> is arj a bad sign?
[22:09] <mikma> also, http://mark.mybigstick.net/
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[22:09] <SgrA> Mem: 123672 107148 16524
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[22:10] <sirspazzolot> uhh is an ethernet splitter a thing?
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[22:10] <sirspazzolot> not a router
[22:10] <SgrA> free reports that I have only 128 MB RAM. How do you setup the GPU/System RAM split?
[22:10] <sirspazzolot> or would I just need another 15ft cat5
[22:10] <millette> sirspazzolot, hub
[22:10] <mikma> sgra: prolly easiest way is using rpi-updater
[22:11] <sirspazzolot> sgra sudo raspi-config on debian has a memory split option
[22:11] <SgrA> I'm on Arch. lol
[22:12] <mikma> well try the rpi-updater, might be good to upgrade the firmware while at it
[22:12] <sirspazzolot> ah lol
[22:12] <SgrA> I'll take a look at it.
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[22:15] <mikma> sgra: or just unplug the sd card, pop it into windows and rename the armXXX_start.elf into start.elf
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[22:18] <millette> will a pi boot from a usb stick?
[22:18] <sirspazzolot> I think you could theoretically get it to but the boot has to start from an sd card
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[22:19] <jmg123> no , but you can chaneg
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[22:19] <jmg123> sorry
[22:19] <jmg123> change cmdline.txt to use root=/dev/sda2
[22:19] <jmg123> then it will load the second partition of a usb stick instead of the sdcard second partition
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[22:20] <jmg123> it's a slight performance improvement this way imho
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[22:20] <millette> but I need the sd - ok. I'll have to find a reader/writer ;-)
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[22:22] <gubbbel> Hello, I just installed fresh archlinux on my SD card and wanted to run an firmware upgrade. I used "hexxeh"s script, but this is what I get:
[22:22] <gubbbel> Setting up firmware (this will take a few minutes)
[22:22] <gubbbel> ERROR: could not open directory //usr/lib/modules/3.1.9+: No such file or directory
[22:22] <gubbbel> FATAL: could not search modules: No such file or directory
[22:22] <gubbbel> What can I do?
[22:22] <jmg123> sd card reads/writes seem slow on the pi, even taking the sd card out and putting in in a usb reader can be a bit faster, so it's not the card itself
[22:22] <gubbbel> uname -a
[22:22] <gubbbel> Linux icarus2 3.1.9-32-ARCH+ #1 PREEMPT Sat Jul 21 17:56:03 UTC 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[22:22] <Vibe> gubbbel: switch to raspbian
[22:23] <gubbbel> But I really like arch..
[22:23] <gubbbel> So the script just doesn'T work with arch?
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[22:23] <gubbbel> raspbian is debian based right
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[22:24] <jmg123> yes, with hardfloats
[22:24] <jmg123> for added performance :-)
[22:26] <gubbbel> hm. so it is faster..
[22:26] <jmg123> yes
[22:26] <gubbbel> so maybe I can give it a try
[22:26] <gubbbel> ok
[22:26] <nio> can i upgrade wheezy to raspbian?
[22:26] <jmg123> no
[22:27] <nio> downgrade?
[22:27] <jmg123> no
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[22:27] <jmg123> regrade - start again unfortunately :-(
[22:27] <nio> reinstall?
[22:27] <reider59> Takes minutes to wipe the card and install
[22:27] <nio> affff
[22:27] <nio> i have installs and settings, and well actually i have reached nothing so far
[22:27] <jmg123> you could leave you current sd alone, and put rapsbian on a usb stick to try though
[22:28] <nio> can i also do iscsi?
[22:28] <jmg123> change cmdline.txt to use root=/dev/sda2
[22:28] <jmg123> mount the sdcard mmcblkp02 under raspbian, and transfer settings across
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[22:29] <nio> i ll do a reinstall
[22:29] <nio> or buy a new rasperry
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[22:32] <jmg123> or both for added fun
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[22:33] <nio> raspian is the future?
[22:33] <jmg123> I personally think so
[22:35] <nio> i have already asked it yesterday: i want to do a "intercom" over ethernet/internet/ip
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[22:40] <Stoob> That is, graphics capabilities are roughly equivalent to Xbox 1 level of performance. Overall real world performance is something like a 300MHz Pentium 2, only with much, much swankier graphics.
[22:40] <Stoob> in other words, all things considered, not far from xbox1
[22:42] <SwK> anyone have a hint on setting the boot resolution to like 800x480 ?
[22:43] <Stoob> over HDMI?
[22:44] <Stoob> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video_mode_options scroll to hdmi mode options
[22:45] <Stoob> there's 848x480 but idk if that works for you
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[22:47] <Gabtendo> Does the raspberry pi have an RCA video *and* an RCA audio?
[22:47] <GabrialDestruir> Two rPi with lego cases
[22:47] <GabrialDestruir> Yay!
[22:47] <GabrialDestruir> No
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[22:47] <GabrialDestruir> It has Video but 3.5 for audio
[22:48] <Matt> Gabtendo: it does not - it's got a 5.5mm jack for audio
[22:48] <Stoob> Gabtendo: The raspberry pi does not have RCA audio but it does have a 3.5mm "TRS" jack for it
[22:48] <Matt> um
[22:48] <Matt> 3.5mm even
[22:48] <GabrialDestruir> er
[22:48] <Stoob> (which can be easily split with a Y adapter to L/R RCA audio)
[22:48] <Matt> 5.5mm would be just odd
[22:48] <GabrialDestruir> okay yea I thought it was 3.5 xD
[22:48] <Matt> given that the next typical size up is 6.4mm IIRC
[22:48] <Matt> 1/4" anyway :)
[22:48] <Stoob> lol yeah i dont know metric for 1/4" jacks
[22:49] <Matt> 6.3mm perhaps
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[22:50] <FR^2> Hmm. Speaking of audio... Is it possible to (electrically) take the digital audio signal from the hdmi output and put it to the digital input of a stereo receiver?
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[22:50] <SgrA> I set up a split 224/32 MB, and now USB input devices refuse to work after starting X. They seem to work normally before I issue 'startx'.
[22:50] <Gabtendo> so...I'm looking for a 3.5mm male to male?
[22:50] <Stoob> FR^2: I think so, but let me look it up
[22:50] <Stoob> Gabtendo: for RCA audio? i'll link you the kind of cable you need
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[22:51] <Stoob> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021815&p_id=5596&seq=1&format=2 Like this
[22:51] <Stoob> Male (stereo) 3.5MM TRS to two Male RCA
[22:52] <SwK> Stoob: thanks
[22:52] <GabrialDestruir> Not a bad price either.
[22:53] <GabrialDestruir> all things consider I think I'm overpaying for that kind of stuff xD
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> Gah. There is no metrid for 1/4" jacks. They're 1/4" jacks.
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> *metric
[22:54] <GabrialDestruir> You could also do male to female if you have existing 3 adapter cords and then just use an existing cord
[22:54] <Stoob> http://www.octavainc.com/HDMI%20distribution%20amp_splitter%202%20port.html FR^2: It looks like the audio signal is encoded with the video so you'd need an active adapter :(
[22:54] <SwK> Stoob: i gotta lilliput 8" touchscreen heh... this thing only does like 480p
[22:55] <FR^2> Stoob: Hmm. That could be the reason why I only get such things when searching for those two phrases.
[22:55] <Gabtendo> so...
[22:55] <Stoob> SwK: should be able to set 480p mode then :P
[22:55] <GabrialDestruir> I thought the lilliput had like a 1024x600 resolution or something?
[22:56] <Gabtendo> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000I1IG8O/ and http://www.amazon.com/Mediabridge-Stereo-design-accomodates-smartphone/dp/B004YEBK66/
[22:56] <Gabtendo> ?
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[22:56] <GabrialDestruir> Yea Gabtendo
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[22:56] <GabrialDestruir> those will work
[22:56] <Gabtendo> coolio.
[22:56] <GabrialDestruir> though they aren't the cheapest solutions probably
[22:57] <FR^2> Stoob: The wikipedia article on HDMI verifys that... :/
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[22:57] <millette> there's an analog audio out
[22:57] <FR^2> Hmm. Damn, I hoped to use the raspberry pi with digital audio out on my receiver.
[22:58] <FR^2> millette: yes, there is. But I'm not sure if I can figure out how to make the pi output both hdmi and analog sound
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[22:58] <SwK> GabrialDestruir: dependso n the model
[22:58] <nio> a raspberry pi like dreambox would be cool, recording on a nas
[22:58] <Stoob> FR^2: you could possibly get some audio passthru on your monitor (or a reciever that decodes hdmi and passes it to your monitor)
[22:58] <SgrA> I upated my firmware, but now I can't use USB input devices (mouse/keyboard) when X is running. Also, FDX status led is now gone.
[22:59] <SwK> i'm working on a videphone with my rpi... this should be interesting if I can get everything to work the way I want to lol
[22:59] <FR^2> Stoob: Yes, but then the monitor would have to be switched on all the time.
[23:01] <SwK> Stoob: he thanks for the pointer got it working
[23:01] <Stoob> awesome
[23:02] <Stoob> good luck getting the thing encoding video at any reasonable rate :P
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[23:03] <SwK> lol
[23:04] <SwK> even if its crap rate I'll be good
[23:04] <SwK> its more of a gag anyway
[23:04] <millette> SwK, throw in some effetv support ;-)
[23:04] <millette> effectv*
[23:04] <SwK> putting all the stuff in this http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrbill/149716944/lightbox/
[23:04] <SgrA> Hexxeh: ping.
[23:05] <SwK> and yes the goal is o have both the dtmf pad and the receiver working 100%
[23:05] <GabrialDestruir> So I figured out why I was having problems playing video from a USB stick.
[23:05] <GabrialDestruir> It was a power issue.
[23:06] <millette> GabrialDestruir, was it better with a powered usb hub?
[23:06] <SwK> the best powersupply i have found so foar is a iphone charger fyi
[23:07] <GabrialDestruir> I used a powered USB hdd
[23:07] <GabrialDestruir> and it worked fine
[23:07] <SgrA> I got a Nokia AC-10 (5VDC/1200mA).
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> bootc, ping ?
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[23:19] <bootc> gordonDrogon: pong
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> a-ha!
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> bootc sorry - I was looking for your spi test program, but I've found it after some googling.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> now have some spi hardware to talk to.
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[23:21] <bootc> :-)
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[23:23] <gordonDrogon> will the Pi do a 5MHz SPI clock?
[23:23] <Hexxeh> SgrA: Hi
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> one way to find out, I guess :)
[23:24] * plugwash would hope it would do a fair bit more than that
[23:24] <SgrA> Hexxeh: I used rpi-update just a few minutes ago to update my firmware and set 192/64 split. Turns out I can't use keyboard/mouse after starting X, and FDX LED is gone.
[23:24] <Hexxeh> it just updates the kernel/fw to the latest
[23:25] <Hexxeh> if these cause you problems, i'm not debugging that
[23:25] <SgrA> Well, I think I downgraded. I'm about to reboot to see if that works.
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[23:26] <Snuffeluffegus> Finally got my pi in!
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[23:30] <FR^2> In... where? Oh, don't tell...
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[23:32] <reider59> woo hoo! Found a 34 pin IDC connector on a ribbon cable in my collection, it`s a 17 by 17 dual line of holes. So I can meter test it, cut away the 18 wires I don`t need and then use it for one of my LCD modules instead of pushing the pin header into the breadboard.
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[23:33] <reider59> I think it`s usually every second wire is the bottom row
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[23:37] <Snuffeluffegus> has anyone had any experience good or bad with raspberry pwn
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> Snuffeluffegus, PWM ?
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[23:38] <gordonDrogon> I've used it. If it's PWM you're on about. Works fine.
[23:38] <Snuffeluffegus> pwn
[23:38] <Snuffeluffegus> n like newb
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[23:38] <Snuffeluffegus> it's a pentest toolset
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[23:38] <gordonDrogon> oic
[23:38] <GriffenJBS> what is raspberry pwn?
[23:38] <GriffenJBS> nvm
[23:39] <plugwash> well the authors call it a "security penetration testing and auditing platform!"
[23:40] <plugwash> which I think translates from ass-covering english to regular english as "hacking and intrusion platform"
[23:41] <Snuffeluffegus> yeah you could say that
[23:41] <lupinedk> uhm anyone use ntp servers in raspbian?
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[23:48] <GabrialDestruir> I'm thinking my lego design needs some revamping
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[23:48] <GabrialDestruir> the Pi gets really hot .-.
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> lupinedk, yes- standard debian ntp servers...
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> lupinedk, although you may want to add in your own country ones.
[23:49] <lupinedk> well cant find ntp-server in resp
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, I have a pi under a piface board - it's warm, but not hot...
[23:49] <Wendo> lupinedk yup, what gordon said, although it will use DHCP supplied ones instead if they are supplied
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> lupinedk, it's just called 'ntp'
[23:50] <lupinedk> updatet the ntp server locations in config files
[23:50] <GabrialDestruir> The Lego case doesn't give a lot of venting room
[23:50] <lupinedk> how do i force update?
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> lupinedk, really really surprised ntp isn't installed by default though.
[23:50] <GabrialDestruir> so the heat all goes out by the ports
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[23:50] <gordonDrogon> lupinedk, apt-get update;apt-get upgrade
[23:50] <GabrialDestruir> as a result all the ports are getting really hot
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> too hot to touch?
[23:51] <lupinedk> wellt time i mean ;)
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> oh, just wait. if ntp is running it'll get the right time, however, /etc/init.d/ntp restart
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> will restart it and it should force a time set at startup time.
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[23:52] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, if your skin doesn't stick to it, it's not too hot...
[23:52] <lupinedk> still running two hours off precise. Even though i used a local server
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> lupinedk, ah, timezone.
[23:53] <GabrialDestruir> Heh...
[23:53] <aaa801> Android + pi = win
[23:53] <Wendo> lupindk, check for the existance of /var/lib/ntp/ntp.conf.dhcp
[23:53] <Wendo> it gets priority if it exists
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> lupinedk, try running tzconfig
[23:53] <GabrialDestruir> ugh for some reason my sdcard was partitioned with 4mb of unallocated space at the begining of the drive -.-
[23:54] <SwK> anyone know off hand where the config file for the mouse config on the debian image is? (for the that is)
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> lupinedk, or even sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[23:54] <lupinedk> ah thx gordonDrogon
[23:54] <lupinedk> that did the trick :)
[23:54] <lupinedk> and thx Wendo although it updatet right, just the timezone that was off
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> lupinedk, unix/linux time is always interally UTC - then the local timezone configurations make it human readable.
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[23:55] <lupinedk> ye
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[23:55] <lupinedk> have a few services running, were time is rather important :)
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[23:56] <GabrialDestruir> I thought most OS used NTP automatically if it had internet connection?
[23:56] <Wendo> if you're looking for it to absolutly work even if the network is down, a small gps module can also supply time
[23:57] <lupinedk> it does GabrialDestruir
[23:57] <lupinedk> just the timezones were off
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[23:58] <ewindisch> interestingly, I've found I can't talk to an Arduino (via USB) and a UVC camera at the same time.
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[23:59] <ewindisch> annoying but easily remedied, there is more than one way to talk to an Arduino, but good-to-know...

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