#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-07-25

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[0:04] <gordonDrogon> ewindisch, I've had 2 arduinos connected before - could it be a power issue?
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[0:17] <reider59> Brilliant! Just got an email that my Arduino LCD Shield has been dispatched, should be here by the weekend latest
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> anyone any clues about debugging SPI transactions?
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[0:18] <gordonDrogon> I guess I might need to get a 'scope
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[0:19] <reider59> hopefully the breakout board kit will be here tomorrow and I`ll solder up this cable I just made.
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[0:21] <Gadgetoid> Soo fulllll.....uuuugggghhhhhh
[0:21] <Gadgetoid> How goes things!?
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[0:23] <gordonDrogon> Hm. badly. tryingto use the spi driver to poke stuff atthe PiFace board.
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[0:23] <Gadgetoid> There appears to be an actual Newark store not 30 miles from here, is that a real thing or is Google maps lying to me?
[0:25] <plugwash> well I know farnell in the UK have a trade counter at their warehouse so it wouldn't entirely surprise me if newark had trade counters too
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[0:30] <GabrialDestruir> So apparently not a lot of people are uploading that "official" raspbian image
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> No? what are they using then?
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[0:31] <Timmmaaaayyy> does anyone have the link handy for the tutorial to get xbmc going on raspbian wheezy?
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[0:31] <GabrialDestruir> No clue.
[0:32] <GabrialDestruir> But apparently I've got like 36 seeds and only getting about 200Mb/s
[0:32] <GabrialDestruir> er
[0:32] <GabrialDestruir> 2Mb/s
[0:32] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[0:33] <GabrialDestruir> or maybe I'm just an idiot and should really double check my torrent settings =\
[0:33] <Ricksl> there any good tutorials out there for risc os?
[0:34] <jmg123> @Timmmmmaaayyyyyy http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=10304&p=128006
[0:34] <jmg123> but do you want nfs or airplay enabled
[0:34] <jmg123> i?
[0:35] <GabrialDestruir> You know, it may just be me, but it seems that if people want it so bad it'd be in the repository =\
[0:36] <plugwash> the trouble is a generic XBMC is useless on the Pi
[0:36] <plugwash> so someone has to produce a debian package of a Pi specific version
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[0:36] <jmg123> ppl are doing that :-)
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[0:37] <plugwash> and then we have to find time to review it
[0:37] <reider59> I just got the direct download of the zip file, hate torrents
[0:37] <jmg123> some of the desirable featrues are not yet supported yet though
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[0:38] <jmg123> so it is not worth doing at the moment imho
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[0:40] <Timmmaaaayyy> jmg123: thank you
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[0:42] <Timmmaaaayyy> i don't care about airplay or nfs
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[0:44] <jmg123> stock instructions are the way to go then, but make sure you do this
[0:44] <jmg123> http://raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=122419#p122419
[0:44] <jmg123> as part of step 4
[0:44] <Timmmaaaayyy> maybe i'm just dumb???..but i don't see any basic instructions. just some discussion
[0:44] <jmg123> ah
[0:45] <sraue> anyone can run "openssl speed" (takes some minutes) on raspian and paste the output on pastebin so i can compare?
[0:45] <jmg123> tis in the thread on one of the pages
[0:45] <jmg123> but here are the originals
[0:45] <jmg123> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC
[0:45] <Timmmaaaayyy> oh that was age 7. starting from the beginning makes more sense :)
[0:45] <ewindisch> gordonDrogon: connecting to the usb-serial port disables /dev/video0; It could be power...
[0:46] <Timmmaaaayyy> sudo rpi-update fail
[0:46] <jmg123> can skip that one
[0:46] <Timmmaaaayyy> rog
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[0:49] <jmg123> you can do this intead of step 5 and 6
[0:49] <jmg123> sudo sh -c "echo /opt/vc/lib/ >> /etc/ld.so.conf.d/0_broadcom.conf"
[0:49] <jmg123> sudo ldconfig
[0:49] <jmg123> export C_INCLUDE_PATH=/opt/vc/include:/opt/vc/include/interface/vcos/pthreads
[0:49] <jmg123> export CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH=/opt/vc/include:/opt/vc/include/interface/vcos/pthreads
[0:49] <jmg123> export LDFLAGS="-L/opt/vc/lib"
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[0:50] <jmg123> exports will eventually need to be in your ~/.bashrc
[0:51] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm.... wondering if I should completely redesign my case with technic bricks or try and change as few parts as possible for better airflow
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[0:54] <Vibe> hmm raspbian wheezy is slower than squeeze
[0:54] <Vibe> takes ages to install packages
[0:54] <Vibe> armel was faster
[0:54] <Vibe> :F
[0:56] <reider59> not a chance. Wheezy is faster than Squeeze and Raspbian is slightly faster than Wheezy.
[0:56] <reider59> packages could be bigger....
[0:58] <GabrialDestruir> raspbian is redesigned for hard float as opposed to soft float
[0:58] <GabrialDestruir> and my understanding is squeeze was just all soft float
[0:59] <Vibe> yea
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[0:59] <Vibe> but for me running without X squeeze was faster than wheezy
[1:00] <GabrialDestruir> and the "official rasbian" image isn't giving me any video output
[1:00] <GabrialDestruir> blah
[1:00] * plugwash wouldn't go as far as calling it "redesigned"
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[1:01] <plugwash> really debian did most of the work, we "just" changed the compiler defaults, rebuilt everything and dealt with the inevitable build failures that came up
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[1:02] <GabrialDestruir> ported?
[1:02] <GabrialDestruir> yea ported to hard float
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[1:02] <plugwash> nah debian ported it to hard float, we just changed the compiler defaults, there was no real porting involved
[1:04] <plugwash> honestly most of the work in creating raspbian was dealing with build-dependency loops and bitrot
[1:04] <GabrialDestruir> ugh
[1:04] <GabrialDestruir> worthless "official" image
[1:04] <Wendo> sraue, you still interested in an openssl speed?
[1:05] <sraue> yes
[1:05] <Wendo> just running through now, will post in a sec
[1:05] <Hexxeh> lapdock arrived :V
[1:05] <Hexxeh> time to get a HDMI connector soldered onto it
[1:05] <sraue> Wendo, thanks, will take some minutes
[1:06] <plugwash> note that raspbian has something of an unfair advantage in openssl speed tests
[1:06] <plugwash> because we applied a patch to enable assembly optimisations that has been sitting ignored in debians bugtracker for ages
[1:06] <GabrialDestruir> why are you soldering an HDMI connector to your lapdock? =\
[1:06] <GabrialDestruir> Why not just use converters?
[1:06] <Ricksl> let me know how that works ive been looking into one of those
[1:07] <agumonkey> the thrill of soldering ..
[1:08] <IT_Sean> The lovely smell of solder fumes
[1:08] <IT_Sean> the warm feeling of brain damage
[1:08] <IT_Sean> ahhh
[1:08] <reider59> the lovely warm feeling ofuncooled solder on flesh
[1:08] <Ricksl> the new unleaded solder isn't that bad, dosen't hold up near as well.
[1:08] <IT_Sean> lead free solder is a [censored]ing [censored]
[1:09] <plugwash> my experiance is you can get rid of the lead OR you can get rid of the rosin
[1:09] <IT_Sean> Sorry... i just had a real [censored] of a day
[1:09] <plugwash> but if you get rid of both you are in for a world of hurt
[1:09] <IT_Sean> what'
[1:09] <IT_Sean> what's in lead free solder, anyway.
[1:09] <IT_Sean> ?
[1:09] <reider59> solder?
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[1:10] <IT_Sean> i mean... normal solder is lead and tin, right? so...
[1:10] <Ricksl> im not sure...
[1:10] <plugwash> tin mostly with a tiny bit of copper
[1:10] <plugwash> sometimes some silver or other elements too
[1:10] <IT_Sean> I suspect that lead free solder is, in fact, made from finely woven strands of Satan's bum hair. But... i could be wrong on that.
[1:11] <Ricksl> im seeing some saying its some nickel tin alloy npt sure though
[1:11] <plugwash> whenever you buy solder they usually tell you what alloy it is
[1:11] <plugwash> and just as there is more than one leaded alloy there is more than one lead-free alloy
[1:12] <GabrialDestruir> Ugh... my lego case keeps losing pieces
[1:12] <GabrialDestruir> but I don't see where it's losing them from
[1:12] <reider59> maybe someone is hiding them and pulling your lego
[1:12] <Hexxeh> GabrialDestruir: i want a nice flush fit
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[1:13] <GabrialDestruir> Well no, I keep finding pieces that are obviously from my case....
[1:13] <Hexxeh> like this: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IlKQDATIwGI/T93IhY4Q8bI/AAAAAAAAAao/etqtwJzZfak/s1600/P1080247.JPG
[1:13] <GabrialDestruir> but the case isn't missing the pieces I found =\
[1:13] <GabrialDestruir> Oh
[1:13] <GabrialDestruir> now THAT's nice
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[1:14] <jayer89> hey guys
[1:14] <Hexxeh> the plan then is to encase the pi in some plastic that fits nicely in with the rest of the casing
[1:14] <Ricksl> thats probably alot of tiny soldering though
[1:14] <Ricksl> how many pins are used in hdmi again?
[1:14] <Hexxeh> yeah it's a pain :P
[1:14] <Hexxeh> 20~ or so
[1:14] <Hexxeh> 18 i think actually
[1:14] <Ricksl> really? seems like more than that
[1:14] <Hexxeh> 19 but one isn't used
[1:16] <GabrialDestruir> I need a second power source now.
[1:17] <Vibe> hmmm I would need fp-compiler 2.4 on wheezy (armhf), its not compiling either..
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[1:20] <Wendo> sraue, http://pastebin.com/9juHVKAn
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[1:24] <plugwash> Vibe, is there something wrong with 2.6?
[1:24] <plugwash> (which is in the repo with the required patching to make it work on raspbian)
[1:25] <Vibe> plugwash: yes, one software doesn't work with it
[1:25] <Vibe> "use an earlier version of FPC that supports passing derived classes to var- and out-parameters"
[1:26] <Vibe> It is confirmed that bmp will compile on FPC 1.0, 2.0 and 2.2. seems that its working on 2.4 also
[1:26] <plugwash> ahh code that is reliant on a compiler bug that is since fixed
[1:26] <plugwash> still it should be fairly easy to make the code build with 2.6, you got a link?
[1:27] <sraue> Wendo, thanks much... if you want see/compare with openelec: http://pastebin.com/5Z2sW8yJ
[1:27] <GabrialDestruir> Bah... the bootup slows down when trying set the keymapping stuff
[1:29] <Vibe> plugwash: code compiles but sdcc does'nt compile bin cos error occurs
[1:29] <Vibe> compiled on squeeze
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[1:30] <plugwash> if you want help you are going to have to tell me what "bmp" is (i'm assuming it's not "windows bitmap") and what sdcc has to do with this
[1:30] <cerberos> I've built a site that aggregated Raspberry Pi news etc, let me know what you think - http://www.raspihub.com
[1:31] <Vibe> plugwash: "bmp is a powerful general purpose macro processor that can be used with many languages, e.g. Pascal or C."
[1:31] <Vibe> http://wiki.ztex.de/doku.php?id=en:software:compilation:bmp
[1:34] <ziltro> Basic Multilingual Plane? (Unicode)
[1:35] <Vibe> plugwash: http://www.2shared.com/file/NnR5nMoJ/bmptar.html
[1:35] <Pe3k> hello, does anybody use OpenELEC? ...I have difficulties with this: http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Installing_OpenELEC_on_Raspberry_Pi
[1:35] <GabrialDestruir> I wish someone would make an overscan configure program
[1:35] <ziltro> Does anyone here know what to call those things... They are about the size and shape of a 9-pin D socket and are designed to replace then, but have a mini USB port and USB to RS232 adapter built-in?
[1:36] <plugwash> Vibe, well making it build with freepascal from raspbian was trivial enough
[1:36] <plugwash> just one trivial source change
[1:36] <sraue> Pe3k, whats the problem?
[1:36] <agumonkey> macro ? >< common, lisp !
[1:38] <plugwash> Vibe, http://paste.debian.net/180552/
[1:38] <Pe3k> sraue: create_sdcard finishes without errors, but then booting stops with error
[1:39] <GabrialDestruir> Is there a way to rename a user in raspbian?
[1:39] <ziltro> Found it - DB9-USB-M or DB9-USB-F.
[1:39] <Pe3k> sraue: "Could not mount /dev/mmcblk0p2"
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[1:39] <plugwash> GabrialDestruir, same as any other unix-like system i'd think
[1:40] <GabrialDestruir> Which I still have no clue how to do xD
[1:41] <sraue> Pe3k, can you mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 on your normal pc?
[1:41] <plugwash> I think it's basically edit /etc/passwd, /etc/group and /etc/shadow and rename thier homedir
[1:42] <GabrialDestruir> ah
[1:42] <GabrialDestruir> ok
[1:42] <ziltro> That's what I was about to write, but I forgot about /etc/group. :)
[1:44] <GabrialDestruir> usermod -l newname oldname
[1:44] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
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[1:44] <Pe3k> sraue: I can't, and gparted shows 2 partitions on that sd card, the first is fat16 boot, the second is unknown ..with exclamation mark next to it
[1:45] <Vibe> plugwash: thx. now one header gives me -> Error: Unexpected end of file, `!dnapxeon!' expected for #noexpand
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[1:46] <sraue> Pe3k, then try to format the second to ext4
[1:46] <Vibe> plugwash: there -> http://pastebin.com/tNUum48V
[1:46] <sraue> no idea why the script has not done this correct
[1:47] <GabrialDestruir> Well one thing is nice, at least this image seems to reboot consistently
[1:47] <plugwash> Vibe, are you sure you are running it in the right mode?
[1:48] <Vibe> running what?
[1:49] <Vibe> should I run it differently with armhf?
[1:49] <plugwash> according to "http://wiki.ztex.de/doku.php?id=en:software:compilation:bmp#download" bmp has two modes, pascal mode and C mode
[1:49] <plugwash> but if the same invocation works on some other system then that probablly isn't your problem and you will have to do some debugging
[1:51] <Vibe> worked on debian squeeze on rpi with fp-compiler 2.4 and compiled
[1:52] <Pe3k> sraue: interesting ...ext4 was not possible ...so I tried ext2 and it went ok,(maybe caused by my old gparted 0.7.0) ..and with ext2 it works well
[1:52] <Vibe> hmmm
[1:52] <Pe3k> sraue: thanks
[1:53] <sraue> Pe3k, ext2 is not very ok, does ext3 work?
[1:53] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[1:53] <Pe3k> sraue: I'll try..
[1:54] <sraue> Pe3k, is better :-)
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[1:58] <GabrialDestruir> why is there already a group 1001 .-.
[1:58] <ziltro> Because it starts from 1000?
[1:59] <Vibe> plugwash: you know about this when trying to compile fpc-2.4 -> /root/fpc-2.4.0/rtl/units/arm-linux/system.s:14120: Error: selected processor does not support ARM mode `rfs r0'
[1:59] <Vibe> /root/fpc-2.4.0/rtl/units/arm-linux/system.s:14123: Error: selected processor does not support ARM mode `wfs r0'
[1:59] <GabrialDestruir> I thought 1001 is usually the first user added and the gid is also 1001 for that user?
[1:59] <GabrialDestruir> =\
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[2:00] <ziltro> Aren't UIDs and GIDs different?
[2:00] <ziltro> So UID 1001 and GID 1001 aren't nessecarally related at all?
[2:00] <plugwash> no but I do know that 2.4 (or unpatched 2.6) won't correctly call C code on raspbian, I don't know why it won't build at all
[2:00] <ziltro> I'm not sure why some O/Ses create a group per user.
[2:01] <GabrialDestruir> I know they're different, but I thought usually they're the same numbers for users...
[2:01] <GabrialDestruir> apparently input uses gid 1001
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[2:02] <ziltro> It is probably just that the user and group for that user are usually created at the same time, so usually both get the samenumber
[2:02] <GabrialDestruir> Yea because usually 1000+ is users not... services?
[2:02] <Novae|Zzz> users dont "have" to have their own group
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[2:07] <Vibe> plugwash: ok, thx for trying to help
[2:08] <GabrialDestruir> Eh... seems really odd... the first user is pi at 1000 and gid 1000, second user is uid 1001 gid 1002 because for some reason input uses gid 1001
[2:08] <plugwash> what system is this on?
[2:08] <plugwash> that sounds like a screwup from whoever made the image
[2:08] <GabrialDestruir> the official raspbian
[2:09] <ziltro> Who made the image for that? ;)
[2:09] * plugwash pokes friggle
[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> no clue, raspi foundation?
[2:09] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[2:10] <GabrialDestruir> I forgot to set myself up as a sudoer bah
[2:10] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[2:10] <KameSense> hi there, does anyone have freezes with the last raspbian too ?
[2:11] <plugwash> anyway it seems like an image specific issue to me, i'm not sure where the accepted place to send reports of problems with that image is
[2:13] <GabrialDestruir> Yea I would have to look at other images but it does seem pretty image specific
[2:14] <plugwash> I've just mentioned it in the forum thread about the official image, hopefully friggle/asb will spot it there and correct it in later versions
[2:21] <GabrialDestruir> I forgot how time consuming it is to try and get the overscan_* settings right
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[2:36] <Ricksl> whats the default baud rate on the serial pins on the pi?
[2:36] <hermanhermitage> 115200
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[2:36] <hermanhermitage> perhaps
[2:37] <hermanhermitage> so raspbian is the official 'distro'? it looks like a great piece of work.
[2:39] <plugwash> yeah raspbian is now the officially reccomended option from the raspberry Pi foundation
[2:39] <plugwash> *by the raspberry Pi foundation
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[2:40] <plugwash> and yeah it was a fair bit of work to create it though none of that work was especially difficult
[2:40] <Ricksl> i've seen a few people still swear by arch
[2:40] <KameSense> if only it didn't freeze after a few days of uptime...
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[2:41] <plugwash> We are certainly standing on the shoulders of giants though, debian did the really hard work of making a hard-float port, we "just" rebuilt it with lower cpu requirements so it would run on the Pi
[2:42] <plugwash> as I said earlier most of the work that went into raspbian was mundane stuff like getting working autobuilders going and dealing with build-dependency loops and dealing with bitrot and dealing with packages that made unacceptable architecture assumptions there was very little actual porting work involved
[2:43] <Ricksl> so the previous squeeze image that was recomended was built for armel which was the armv4 and up?
[2:44] <kokakoda> Still, nice work to mpthompson and yourself. Even though I swear by arch. :)
[2:46] <Vibe> plugwash: your modification fixed this? -> http://wiki.freepascal.org/User_Changes_2.6.0#Passing_derived_classes_to_var-_and_out-parameters
[2:48] <plugwash> That is the change yeah, passing a varible typed with a dervived class to a var/out parameter is not typesafe because the called routine could replace the contents of the variable with a reference to a class that doesn't match the variables type
[2:48] <plugwash> therefore being non-typesafe current freepascal only allows it with an explicit typecast (while older versions were sloppier and allowed it without)
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[2:51] <Vibe> ok, now some sleep, gn8!
[2:56] <Ricksl> how well does dos box run on the pi?
[2:58] <plugwash> dunno, it seems like there are some issues with it, for example someone reported they can start win3.1 in dosbox on a PC but not in dosbox on a Pi
[2:58] <plugwash> and I wouldn't expect it to run very fast
[3:00] <Ricksl> I remember when i was playing around with it in qemu it had trouble playing outside X
[3:00] <Ricksl> the keyboard mapping was way off
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[4:00] <maicod> hi I always neatly halt my PI before turning off the power but suddenly my root directory got deleted when I restarted. is this known behaviour and means the Pi is unstable ?. the power source is 1A so should be fine.
[4:00] <maicod> I mean it was deleted the next time I had started the Pi
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[4:06] <neofutur> maicod: could also be the sd card dying
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[4:09] <maicod> neofutur: I did e2fsck -n /dev/mmcblk0p2 and it gave loads of errors :(
[4:10] <neofutur> imo probably your sd card dying
[4:11] <neofutur> say yes to errors, should repair it
[4:11] <maicod> it works fine in my camera where its normally in
[4:11] <neofutur> if it happens again many times , its the sd card
[4:11] <maicod> neofutur: not while its mounted :)
[4:11] <maicod> or could O?
[4:11] <maicod> I
[4:11] <neofutur> nop not while its mountedfor sure
[4:11] <maicod> so I need to run a livecd on my pc and do it there huh
[4:12] <neofutur> yes
[4:12] <maicod> :)
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[4:12] <maicod> why does the sandisk 16GB card work fine when in my fullhd camera then?
[4:13] <maicod> I think the Pi is choosy with SDcards then
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[4:16] <maicod> neofutur: using halt if exiting from inside console is safest huh?
[4:16] <maicod> before powering down
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[4:22] <Arch-MBP> maicod: yes...and yes to the choosy sd
[4:22] <maicod> :(
[4:22] <maicod> I have already ordered a faster one and I hope its compatible
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[4:26] <maicod> I ordered this one: http://skinflint.co.uk/eu/453014
[4:26] <maicod> not from that website ;)
[4:26] <maicod> any good?
[4:26] <Arch-MBP> class 10's are generaly not faster
[4:26] <Arch-MBP> try some class 4's
[4:27] <maicod> well I've chosen it from a survey for cards having a fast write speed of smaller blocks (like 4K)
[4:29] <maicod> random write
[4:29] <maicod> not sequential :)
[4:32] <Jungle-Boogie> you friends get the Edimax EW-7811Un working with the pi
[4:32] <Gallomimia> test
[4:32] <Gallomimia> hey its working
[4:32] <Gallomimia> hi
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[4:34] <Arch-MBP> heh hi
[4:35] <maicod> Gallomimia: had trouble registering with nickserv ?
[4:35] <Gallomimia> no
[4:35] <Gallomimia> why ain't i registered?
[4:36] <maicod> no you said : hey its working
[4:36] <maicod> as if you've finally managed to speak here ;)
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[4:36] <Gallomimia> just pretending to be drunkenly grabbing at a microphone and saying "hello" out into the ether
[4:36] <Gallomimia> and yes, it's like i finally managed to speak in here
[4:36] <maicod> LOL like that
[4:36] <Gallomimia> 3 months i got my pi finally
[4:37] <maicod> good
[4:37] * maicod needs to go . enjoy your pi
[4:37] <maicod> seeya all
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[4:56] <Ricksl> anyone have a neat project idea that involves an openwrt router and the rpi?
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[5:08] <habstinat> How would I go about migrating my existing Arch Linux installation to an SD card of higher caliber? Should I just copy the root filesystem?
[5:09] <Jungle-Boogie> dd?
[5:12] <habstinat> Jungle-Boogie: So "dd if=/ of=/dev/mmcblk0"? I don't understand what I should be using as the "if" argument. Do I have to make a .img out of my existing filesystem? If so, how would I go about doing that?
[5:14] <piney0> habstinat, can you connect two sd cards to your computer at one time?
[5:15] <habstinat> piney0: Yes.
[5:16] <piney0> then you don't need to create an .img file cause you can copy from one to the other.
[5:16] <piney0> this assumes that they will mount automatically, but attach them one at a time and run the df command to see which card is which
[5:17] <piney0> an example would be /dev/sdc, etc
[5:18] <habstinat> piney0: So "dd if=/dev/mmcblk[old sd card] of=/dev/mmcblk[new sd card]"?
[5:18] <piney0> then do something similar to "dd if=/dev/sdc of=/dev/sdb" the key is to make sure your reading and writing to the correct spots, dd isn't forgiving
[5:19] <piney0> the /dev/mmcblk sounds like a partition where the sd* is the card (if i understand this crap correctly)
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[5:29] <Snuffeluffegus> I've got PwnPi installed, but every time I boot it all of the options in the main menu are labeled settings, and if I go to edit them my system freezes. I've already done the .img copy to the sd card 3 seperate times, but I keep having this same issue. Has anyone else had this issue, or has a possible fix for it?
[5:43] <Gallomimia> asherkin: are you really in this channel? did you get yerself a pi?
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[5:44] <mrdek11> Anybody have any idea why setting PCM volume in amixer has no effect? Audio plays full volume when PCM volume is 0%
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[6:05] <netman87> heh i did buy alternative home server to replace RPi
[6:06] <netman87> i think now PHP gonna run little bit faster (8x 2.5GHz core,8GB ddr2)
[6:06] <netman87> maybe i can even use opencv
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[6:22] <xiambax> I sold three microcells online today so I could order some Raspberrypi's
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[6:53] <SwK> anyone know if theres a way to adjust the overscan overrides on the fly without rebooting?
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[7:26] <xiambax> SwK: just restart x?
[7:26] <xiambax> control alt backspace i think?
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[7:33] <SwK> nah that doesnt do it
[7:33] <SwK> it wont re-read the /boot/config.txt at that point
[7:33] <SwK> theres gotta be another way to do that tho lol
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[8:02] <SwK> and damn midori is slowwwww
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[8:04] <Treibholz> X is slow
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[8:05] <SwK> yeah it is
[8:05] <SwK> geting this lilliput touchscreen calibrated properly has been a serious pita
[8:06] <SwK> like 0 documentation i can find on it so its all been trial and error... (more error then anything and its still not right)
[8:06] <Treibholz> tscalibrate does not work?
[8:07] <SwK> i havent gotten that far yet
[8:07] <SwK> just now getting the overscan settings right
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[8:40] <Treibholz> what's the difference between Raspbian and Debian Wheezy armhf?
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[8:45] <magnus_> what is midori?
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[8:47] <ken1> hello
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> hi
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> Treibholz, Raspbian supports hardware floating point natively.
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> Treibholz, on the Pi. I do not think Debian Wheezy armfh will even run on the Pi
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, midori is a simple web browser.
[8:54] <Arch-MBP> gordonDrogon: i thought there was debian wheezy soft float
[8:54] <Arch-MBP> that???s the beta wasn???t it?
[8:54] <Arch-MBP> till it was usurped by raspbian?
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[8:58] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I'm under the impression Debian supports 2 variants - one for soft one for hard, but the hard variant won't run on the Pi's ARM processor...
[8:58] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian is a build of the hard variant that will run on the Pi's ARM...
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[8:58] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian is Debian Wheezy - which is the 'testing' version of Debian before it becomes stable.
[9:00] <Arch-MBP> now we just need a stable 3.2.x
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[9:06] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi0 3.2.23+ #3 PREEMPT Wed Jul 18 17:56:26 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> been pretty stabel for me..
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> I'm running it on 3 pi's. Debian, wheezy and Raspbian.
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> but I'm about to dump the Wheezy for Raspbian.
[9:06] <reider59> yay come to the darkside lol
[9:07] <reider59> << been listening to my darth vader hub too much lol
[9:08] <reider59> << won a free cooked breakfast at the local Community Centre. so I`m going along to claim it soon.
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[9:12] <gordonDrogon> hm. breakfast time for me. probably bacon & egg :)
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[9:14] <Treibholz> gordonDrogon: So the 'hf' in 'Debian Wheezy armhf' does not stand for 'hardware floating'?
[9:14] <reider59> bacon, egg, mushrooms, blackpudding, sausage, tomato, toast etc all on the list so it looks good.
[9:18] <Treibholz> ahh, 'Debian Wheezy armhf' is armv7
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[9:23] <megatog615> is it safe to use prelink on raspbian?
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[9:29] <gordonDrogon> Treibholz, I think hf does stand for hardware floating..
[9:29] <gordonDrogon> Treibholz, the issue is that there are too many different ARM architectures and Debian settled on just 2...
[9:29] <gordonDrogon> Treibholz, yes - arm7 - Pi is arm6..
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[9:30] <corewillem> hello
[9:30] <corewillem> i have a question
[9:30] <corewillem> how can i acces my external hardrive in openelec
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[9:49] <Scepterr> anybody use wireless usb with rpi ?
[9:49] <reider59> I do
[9:49] <Scepterr> use dvi/vga with wusb
[9:49] <Scepterr> ?
[9:50] <reider59> I use a small Edimax 7811Un adaptor direct in the Pi USB port. It`s installed with a script from the RPi forums
[9:51] <rm> you don't know wireless USB is, then
[9:51] <Scepterr> lol no not wifi
[9:51] <rm> know what*
[9:51] <Scepterr> wusb
[9:51] <reider59> ok
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[9:53] <Scepterr> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882339221
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[10:07] <gubbbel> Hi, I installed Darkbasic Image on my SD card. mount tells me, that root is mounted without that noatime option (root@raspberry-pi:~# mount > /dev/root on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered)
[10:07] <gubbbel> I looked into my /etc/fstab file but there is no entry for the root partition
[10:07] <gubbbel> Should I just enter it or do I have to set the noatime option somewhere else?
[10:08] <gubbbel> fstab only contains boot , swap and proc
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[10:09] <reider59> time for my free cooked breakfast lol. bbl
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[10:13] <Bioshox> Morning
[10:14] <steve_rox> got the pi on one them cheap car reverseing lcd displays :-P
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[10:14] <steve_rox> the pixel size kinda screws with your eyes tho
[10:15] <SRCR> Build my second kernel on the Pi today, both ended in the rainbow square.
[10:16] <steve_rox> it turned it into a gaypride pi :-)
[10:16] <nid0> SRCR are you following a guide for doing so?
[10:16] <asherkin> Gallomimia: yes
[10:16] <SRCR> Last attempt was the default kernel 3..19+ for git. build a config of a running pi, did a make and a python2 decompress tools
[10:17] <SRCR> copied the kernel.img to /boot
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[10:17] <SRCR> sounds ok right ?
[10:17] <magnus_> SRCR, what do you mean python2 decompress tool?
[10:17] <nid0> did you use the python imagetool?
[10:18] <magnus_> if you have the latest firmware (bootcode.bin, start.elf etc), you don't need to do anything. just copy $LINUXROOT/arch/arm/boot/Image to /boot/kernel.img
[10:18] <bootc> magnus_: zImage, please
[10:19] <magnus_> yeah, that works too =)
[10:19] <SRCR> where can I find the latest firmware ?
[10:19] <Mazon> are there any known issues with heat on a 24/7 running pi ?
[10:19] <SRCR> and magnus_ I don't need to run the python tool ?
[10:19] <SRCR> just sopy ?
[10:19] <SRCR> copy ?
[10:19] <nid0> you have a new enough one if you're running the latest raspbian
[10:20] <nid0> however, running the python tool wont actually cause problems even if you are, so using that isnt the cause of your issue
[10:20] <SRCR> I'm running gentoo
[10:20] <magnus_> SRCR, yeah, download the latest from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[10:20] <magnus_> and then you dont need to run python tool
[10:20] <SRCR> ok thanks I'll do those steps and see where it goed.
[10:22] <magnus_> why are you building your own kernel, any way?
[10:22] <SRCR> I'm struggeling tit my netgear wna1000m drivers :(
[10:22] <Tobias|> My r-pi now reverse SSH tunnels to one of my VPSs, so I can now access it regardless of what NATs it's behind/IP it's been allocated <.<
[10:23] <nid0> thats a standard realtek rtl8188 micro dongle
[10:23] <rm> Tobias|, why not simply set up an IPv6 tunnel on the R Pi
[10:23] <nid0> there're a lot of guides to getting that up and running, and a lot of precompiled modules floating around
[10:23] <rm> or on a router in whatever network it's in
[10:23] <Tobias|> Not my networks/use few networks :P
[10:23] <Tobias|> I actually have given it a static DHCP lease on my home LAN
[10:24] <Tobias|> IPv6 is also impractical because of its limited implementation
[10:24] <Dagger2> Tobias|: Teredo (via miredo) would probably work quite nicely if you had some kind of dynamic DNS for the address
[10:25] <rm> or http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gogoc
[10:25] <rm> limited implementation of what
[10:25] <Tobias|> IPv6
[10:25] <booyaa> lolololo
[10:26] <xiambax> Anyone know anything about programming an led array?
[10:26] <booyaa> Tobias|: what's reverse ssh tunnels?
[10:26] <nid0> you guys know if he'd come here saying how he'd setup an ipv6 tunnel with his pi or some equally convoluted solution your response would be "why not simply setup a reverse ssh tunnel"...
[10:26] * booyaa made sshd listen on 443 so he can get around most proxies
[10:26] <rm> perhaps you mean limited availability
[10:26] <booyaa> only those that do spi will stop me
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[10:27] <smikey> :)
[10:27] <rm> nid0, IPv6 is less convoluted than inventing SSH crotches
[10:27] <rm> crutches*
[10:27] <rm> lol
[10:27] <Tobias|> booyaa: my r-pi connects to my VPS and listens on port xyz of my VPS for SSH connections
[10:27] <booyaa> haha
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[10:27] <nid0> wat? a reverse ssh tunnel is perfectly standard and takes like 5 seconds to setup
[10:28] <Tobias|> nid0: You're kidding me
[10:28] <booyaa> Tobias| nid0 i can google how to do this?
[10:28] <Tobias|> I totally was under the impression that SSH contained -R on some developer's whimsy
[10:28] <rm> an IPv6 tunnel takes not more
[10:28] <nid0> booyaa: result 1: http://www.howtoforge.com/reverse-ssh-tunneling
[10:28] <Tobias|> (Sarcasm :P)
[10:29] <booyaa> sweet
[10:29] <Tobias|> booyaa: Also look up 'autossh' if you want connections to be automagically created/maintained
[10:29] <booyaa> danke
[10:29] <booyaa> -- snip 09:25
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[10:37] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: that last twitpic of your bread, is that a baking stone or a bread board?
[10:37] <buZz> link? :)
[10:38] <booyaa> one sec
[10:38] <booyaa> http://unicorn.dragon.net/bread.jpg
[10:39] <buZz> does not resolve
[10:39] <booyaa> one sec
[10:39] <buZz> :)
[10:39] <nid0> its http://unicorn.drogon.net/bread.jpg
[10:39] <buZz> awesome :)
[10:39] <booyaa> doh a instead of a o
[10:39] <booyaa> <-- typed in it soz
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[10:40] <buZz> np ;)
[10:40] <sam> How are you gentlemen.
[10:40] <booyaa> we've started baking bread, in fact we've been doing a lot of home made stuff soft drinks, yogurt.
[10:40] <booyaa> sam fab ace. you/
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[10:42] <sam> pretty well
[10:42] <magnus_> Tobias|, isn't autossh obsolete if you have configured ServerAliveInterval etc? i just do "while true; do ssh <tunnel options> <host>; done"
[10:43] <sam> is there a dev-oriented raspi IRC channel? would this place be it?
[10:43] <buZz> this place :)
[10:43] <sam> hehe, nice, thanks
[10:44] <Tobias|> magnus_: I'd .. personally put a delay in there, or stick that in a cron job
[10:44] <Tobias|> but both would accomplish the same thing, yeah :P
[10:45] <sam> so I don't have full-time access to a Raspi and therefore I do a lot of work in qemu
[10:45] <buZz> why not? havent ordered one?
[10:45] <sam> I'm wondering whether there is a way to emulate/simulate VCHIQ in qemu
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[10:45] <buZz> i doubt that greatly sam
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[10:46] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, hi - it's a pizza stone
[10:46] <Tobias|> magnus_: Actually, I misassumed what you did. But that'd do the same thing, anyway
[10:46] <[Phaedrus]> back with a question. i used the manual method in http://elinux.org/RPi_Resize_Flash_Partitions while in raspberrypi to resize the partition. now trying to run resize2fs and it says device is in use
[10:46] <[Phaedrus]> what are options
[10:46] <sam> buZz: in general I tend to wait a bit before buying 1st-generation hardware, so that I make well-informed purchases
[10:46] <buZz> hehe
[10:47] <sam> OK I know it's pretty stupid for a $30 piece of hardware
[10:47] <buZz> i doubt 2nd or 3rd generation of this hardware will be any different
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> what 2nd or 3rd generation?/
[10:47] <nid0> [Phaedrus]: you recreated the partition larger, then rebooted?
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> I suspect thats this is it.
[10:47] <[Phaedrus]> nid0: Yep. I think i figured it out. I had missed the partition id at the end :)
[10:48] <[Phaedrus]> i show up in this channel and all answers show up :)
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> [Phaedrus], I did a bit of a walkthrough here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/ there stuff there about resizing
[10:48] <magnus_> Tobias|, yeah, for a RPi, thats probably a good idea :) im using tunnels from my desktop, so i just run it from a terminal and leave it for months without touching it
[10:48] <nid0> i'm still pinning hopes on further releases, and the foundation have hinted at the possibility a number of times
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> although I think the wiki copied it ;-)
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[10:48] <[Phaedrus]> gordonDrogon: thanks. much appreciated. will go throug tat
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, Yogurt... Heh... from another blog of mine: http://drogon.net/blog/2011/01/geek-yoghurt/
[10:48] <sam> gordonDrogon: I assume hardware has bugs, too
[10:49] <[Phaedrus]> has anyone has had any luck here running any other window managers besides LDE
[10:49] <[Phaedrus]> i am thinking of MATE
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> sam, possibly, but who knows - the usual way is to code round them...
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> [Phaedrus], I'm using xfce4.
[10:50] <[Phaedrus]> gordonDrogon: i tried xfce on fedora.... it was slow as hell. i was worried the kingdom might arrive :)
[10:50] <[Phaedrus]> gordonDrogon: how is xfce. usable?
[10:50] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: good stuff, we're using kefir to make our yogurt and drinks
[10:50] <booyaa> really wish we could get unpasteurised milk though
[10:51] <booyaa> we've just moved to colchester so there might be a farm that'll do it
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> [Phaedrus], I've been using xfce4 on my laptop (acer aspire one), desktop, and now my Pi.
[10:51] <[Phaedrus]> gordonDrogon: nice. let me give that a try.
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> [Phaedrus], I turn off all the desktop stuff though, but my wife uses it on her AAO with the desktop stuff and she likes it.
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, yes, we have kefir too, but I don't like it. wifey does.
[10:52] <[Phaedrus]> i need a decent browser. trying to get chrome or firefox up and running.
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> chromium works on the Pi - under Raspbian.
[10:52] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: do you find it makes the yogurt very tangy?
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> it's usable, but obviously not as fast as on a desktop PC.
[10:52] <[Phaedrus]> gordonDrogon: it installed and is sitting on /opts/google/chrome ... but wont fire up for some reason
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, no, I find it makes good milk taste disgusting.
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[10:53] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: oh really? that's a shame
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> [Phaedrus], did you follow the instruactions on Hexxe's site?
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, I'm just not a fan of sour tasting things.
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[10:54] <[Phaedrus]> gordonDrogon: to the dot
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, http://unicorn.drogon.net/sourdough.jpg
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> [Phaedrus], Hm. I did it under xfce4 and it did just work...
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> [Phaedrus], I'm assuming raspbian too...
[10:55] <[Phaedrus]> gordonDrogon: i have a feeling it might have a requirement for a better wm than LDE. let me try that
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, my sourdough starter will be a year old next week...
[10:56] <booyaa> heh our's is still a new born we got it in april :D
[10:56] * booyaa will dig out photos of his children one sec
[10:59] <booyaa> http://t.co/07T3kFJK
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. is it monochrome for a reason, or just 'well fired' :)
[11:00] <Bioshox> anybody over clocked they Pi's over 1.1GHz? :)
[11:00] <booyaa> i should upload them to flickr or something. we've been naming our bread "bob". we're currently up to bob the xv
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[11:00] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: yeah just to make it look moonish
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[11:00] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, nah, just eat them and enjoy them.
[11:01] <booyaa> heh lovely bread, never get bored of it
[11:01] <Tobias|> booyaa: <_<"
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> We got the pizza stone for the BBQ really.
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> however it needs a heat deflector and that's still on-order )-:
[11:02] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: the heat deflector would be needed for using on the bbq?
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> it's actually a shade too large for our main oven, so I have to lift it over the lugs that stop the shelves falling out.
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, it's a big bbq..
[11:02] <booyaa> ah
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/joe.jpg
[11:05] <sheppard> smoker?
[11:05] <sheppard> oh bbq
[11:05] <sheppard> noice son
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> it's capable of smoking or being stupidly hot - like 400C hot..
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[11:07] <gordonDrogon> it's only smoking in that picture because I was stupid enough to put mutton chops inside without a drip pan to catch the fat, so it's burning fat on the coals which produces a *lot* of smoke...
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> I did a whole roast chicken in it on Sunday.
[11:07] <sheppard> mmmm
[11:08] <sheppard> on a spit I assume
[11:08] <booyaa> did you spatchcock?
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> no. just stuffed it with herbs.
[11:08] <buZz> this is starting to sound kinky
[11:08] <booyaa> buZz: :D
[11:08] <buZz> foodporn
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> On a rack in a normal roasting pan.
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> just as I'd do it in the cooker.
[11:08] <buZz> 19" rack?
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:08] <buZz> how many U was the chicken
[11:08] <booyaa> hahaha
[11:09] <booyaa> what storage did you use?
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> we'br not had this for long, so still getting the hang on it, but we've had a bbq there for years - we cook on one whenever we can.
[11:09] <buZz> tmpfs
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> ie. when the sun shines...
[11:10] <booyaa> that's fairly regular for you isn't it? you're south westerly
[11:10] <clonak> would 5.1V power adapter be alright on the RPi ?
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[11:13] <gordonDrogon> in devon
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> but in the 2nd wettest town in Devon )-:
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> clonak, probably, but why is it 5.1 and not 5.0 ?
[11:13] <clonak> No idea, its a sanyo.
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[11:23] <gordonDrogon> well the worst that can happen is you blow up your Pi ..
[11:24] <sykes> any Bristol folk here?
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[11:46] <[Phaedrus]> does anyone have any idea when the android port, might show up?
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[11:47] <hermanhermitage> android?
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[11:50] <gordonDrogon> sykes, Devon...
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> if you want android, then buy a tablet IMO ..
[11:50] <TheBrayn> I don't see the point of android on the rpi
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[11:51] <bjorn`> So, Anyone have a compiled evtouch driver lying around? I can't seem to get to build evtouch in any way I try.
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> SHE'S ALIVE!
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> PiFace Lives!
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[11:52] <yuh> Hi
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[11:53] <reider59> Someone mentioned yesterday that an Android port had been done, no details yet though.....
[11:53] * booyaa can't believe he missed the 2nd london raspberryjam event
[11:53] <booyaa> only found out today gah
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, I considered going to it too, but decided I really really couldn't be bothered fighting the chaos of London right now.
[11:54] <yuh> Got my Pi yesterday and I'm trying to find a dist that will fit on a 256 MB SD card. Is there one?
[11:54] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: yeah i've alerady noticed additional foot traffic :(
[11:54] <reider59> Just go get an SD Card, they`re cheap as chips just now
[11:54] <booyaa> yuh ^^ what he said
[11:54] <yuh> Sorry, but I can't afford chips.
[11:55] <Dyskette> yuh, the smallest you'll be able to use is 2GB
[11:55] <reider59> but you can afford Pi?
[11:55] <yuh> OpenElec worked, though. But that's not what I need.
[11:55] <yuh> Yeah, I paid for it 10 weeks ago.
[11:55] <Dyskette> I love how this channel becomes a damn Spanish Inquisition every time someone says they can't afford something.
[11:55] <Dyskette> </sarcasm>
[11:56] <reider59> Look through the forum and locate instructions to start from the SD card and then run from a flash tom or external drive. I think it only needs a little space to boot it then transfer to another drive
[11:56] <mjr> it's certainly possible to tweak something crammable into 256M, dunno if anyone's done it though
[11:57] <reider59> *rom
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[11:57] <booyaa> mjr: i think openwrt's been worked on
[11:57] <reider59> I speak Spanish too...... El Bow
[11:57] <yuh> I'll have a look at that, thank you.
[11:57] <Dyskette> Yeah, the thing to do is not use an OS image, just use the firmware FAT partition, and boot from a USB stick or disk.
[11:58] <mjr> that's one possibility, though a bit of a side point
[11:58] <icecdocorp> greetings. I just booted up openelec on the Pi, and the image is black and white, and doesn't fit the TV screen. I am not using HDMI because my TV does not have this. Any workaround?
[11:58] <reider59> or look at the PupPi Alpha, they`re usually a small size
[11:59] <Dyskette> icecdocorp, sounds like you're using NTSC when you want PAL (or vice versa)
[11:59] <reider59> No, it`s based on the full Distro for now I think
[12:00] <Dyskette> icecdocorp, in config.txt on the SD card (in /boot on the pi) you'll want to set sdtv_mode=2 (for PAL - 0 is NTSC, 1 and 3 are Japanese and Brazilian variants of NTSC/PAL respectively)
[12:01] <icecdocorp> Dyskette: I think so. The same thing happened when booted the Raspbian. But I edited the configuration file and set sdtv_mode=2 for Pal
[12:01] <icecdocorp> on the OpenElec , i don't see that file
[12:04] <Dyskette> Yeah, you'll just want to make a plain text file to with that name, then :P
[12:05] <Dyskette> -to
[12:06] <Dyskette> icecdocorp, it's fairly common to not have a config file rather than have one that's empty - in that situation, just create the file and then set the options in it
[12:08] <icecdocorp> ok great. thank you for the tip.
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[12:34] <[Phaedrus]> any idea why while booting itsays mmc0: device still writing ?
[12:35] <[Phaedrus]> time to get a faster card?
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[12:36] <markitoxs> I would like to enable udlfb on raspbian, but i cant seem to locate the module under /lib/modules/3.1.9+, any suggestions on what im doind wrong?
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[12:38] <teus> ffs how do i connect my RBP to a VGA screen
[12:38] <teus> i already bought 2 wrong adapters/cables
[12:39] <teus> have to admit i didnt inform myself properly
[12:39] <teus> looks like i need a HDMI to analog converter, to hook it up to a classic CRT?
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[12:40] <teus> i dont see a way to hook up the svideo either
[12:41] <magnus_> is there a network bootloader for the RPi yet? such as u-boot or anything. i find it very annoying to use sd card. i noticed there is a very basic UART bootloader, but thats a bit too slow for big binaries
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[12:45] <markitoxs> teus, have a look here http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Display_adapters
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[12:49] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, you must use the SD card - you have zero choice there. However the SD card can contain a bootloader like u-boot, or you can boot the kernel off the SD card and have root mounted via nfs,iscsi,usb, etc..
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[12:52] <teus> thanks markitoxs
[12:53] <teus> uhm
[12:53] <teus> how "Most will require use RPi_config.txt."
[12:53] <teus> i cant configure it if icant hook it up
[12:55] <Dyskette> teus, you can edit the config.txt on the SD card from any other machine
[12:55] <Bioshox> Do you have a link to UBoot?
[12:57] <Dyskette> teus, although, reading some more scrollback, you're trying to hook up the RPi to a VGA monitor?
[12:57] <Dyskette> teus, if so, you'll need a converter, not merely an adaptor - the RPi doesn't put out a VGA signal. It can be hooked up to an old TV, though, via the RCA.
[12:58] <teus> i know
[12:58] <teus> so yeah, ill need a converter box
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[13:02] <magnus_> gordonDrogon, yeah, thats what i meant.. put uboot on the sd and then do development off the network as it reboots
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[13:05] <magnus_> gordonDrogon, the ideal, i guess would be having a tiny kernel with a initrd that contains a tftpd server. when a kernel is uploaded, it gets kexec'd
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, I'd start googling - I think all that has been done.
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, personally, I think it's a bit of a faff for such a small device, but maybe that's just me :)
[13:08] <magnus_> what would you do? to get a more efficient kernel developer workflow
[13:08] * Habbie pondering putting the Pi in the car
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, I'm not a kernel devleoper, but I have compiled my own kernels for it - I scp them to /boot/kernel.img from my workstation.
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, and tar/scp/untar for /lib/modules/3.2...
[13:10] <magnus_> yeah, that assumes you have a working kernel running ;-) at least for me, when i program, i don't always get it right the first time => my kernel is fucked, and i need to eject sd card
[13:10] <markitoxs> gordonDrogon, have you compiled on raspbian or on arch?
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, there is always that issue... so google for the u-boot thing - it was discussed here some weeks back...
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> markitoxs, I run Debian everywhere (various flavours of debian)
[13:11] <magnus_> i did, seems like u-boot is working,.. however, no ethernet driver is in place afaik, so it's useless for me. perhaps i should go help them instead
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> markitoxs, I compiled a kernel for my Pi's on my workststion.
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> markitoxs, although I did once compile it on a Pi just to see how long it would take - it took a shade over 2 hours.
[13:12] <markitoxs> gordonDrogon, im trying to compile a module, udlfb, and i think i should be able to compile just the module and not the whole kernel, am I right?
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> magnus_, ah, ok. sub-optimal loading over serial then...
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> markitoxs, I'm no kernel expert, but I think building modules involves building & running native code on the host, but if you cross compiled the kernel, then cross compiled the module in the same environment then I don't see why it won't work...
[13:13] <markitoxs> yeah, thats what i thought
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> markitoxs, Certianly I was able to compile up the SPI & I2C drivers as modules in my x-compile environment and then copy them to a running Pi...
[13:13] <markitoxs> but this module, which is in the main kernel tree since 2.6, I cant find it anywhere on the kernel source
[13:14] <teus> hm
[13:14] <teus> should a fresh install of raspbian wheezy connect to the network and start sshd?
[13:14] <magnus_> markitoxs, which module is it?
[13:14] <markitoxs> magnus_, udlfb
[13:15] <markitoxs> teus, there is a startup screen on first boot that allows you to enable sshd
[13:15] <Habbie> teus, 2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian did, for me, yesterday
[13:15] <magnus_> markitoxs, it's in drivers/video/udlfb.c
[13:16] <markitoxs> did i get the wrong source?
[13:16] <magnus_> markitoxs, not sure. which one did you get?
[13:16] <markitoxs> raspbian, and i did linux-source
[13:16] <markitoxs> and linux-headers
[13:16] <magnus_> from what apt repository?
[13:17] <markitoxs> mirroridrector.raspbian.org/raspbian
[13:17] <magnus_> what version does the Makefile of your linux source say? (open Makefile in the source root and have a look at the topmost lines)
[13:18] <markitoxs> i think, these are 3.2
[13:18] <teus> hm
[13:18] <teus> mine wont connect to the network
[13:18] <teus> i dont see the light going on, on the network switch
[13:19] <teus> do you need to enter anything?
[13:19] <magnus_> markitoxs, does your tree contain dirs such as arch/arm/mach-bcm2708 ?
[13:19] <teus> like uhm, can anybody talk me through booting up the RBP without screen?
[13:19] <Maior> teus: define "booting up"
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[13:20] <Maior> teus: I run mine without a screen; I plug the power in and go...
[13:20] <teus> it wont boot here
[13:20] <teus> er
[13:20] <teus> it wont connect to the network in the end
[13:20] <teus> ill try again now
[13:21] <markitoxs> magnus_, I didn untar de source file... !
[13:21] * markitoxs facepalm
[13:21] <markitoxs> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/drivers/video
[13:21] <markitoxs> its there anyways
[13:22] <magnus_> yup
[13:22] <magnus_> so you should be good
[13:22] <markitoxs> magnus_, that shoudl keep me going, thank you so much
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[13:24] <corewillem> hello
[13:24] <corewillem> none of the xbmc versions work on my pi
[13:24] <corewillem> debian works well
[13:25] <magnus_> corewillem, any error messages from xbmc?
[13:27] <bjorn`> Using the latest raspbian, if I need an extra kernel module, is there a tutorial on how to build a such?
[13:28] <corewillem> nope
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[13:28] <corewillem> no erro
[13:28] <magnus_> corewillem, it crashes?
[13:28] <corewillem> just a black screen (but signal on my screen )
[13:28] <corewillem> after install raspbmc
[13:28] <corewillem> and after booting openelec
[13:29] <corewillem> i tried 3 images of raspbmc and 6 of openelec
[13:29] <MrZYX> ever tried a regular distro?
[13:29] <corewillem> yes debian
[13:29] <corewillem> worked good arch linux to
[13:29] <corewillem> arch linux works also verry good
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[13:30] <MrZYX> hm, openelec and raspbmc work both for me so I never tried it but I think I saw a rpi xbmc package in aur
[13:30] <corewillem> xbmc worked 1 time but after that the same black screen
[13:30] <corewillem> aur ?
[13:31] <MrZYX> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=60530
[13:31] <corewillem> i dont want that i want just the xbmc :p
[13:31] <corewillem> (and debian on a other sd that works fine)
[13:31] <buZz> ...
[13:32] <MrZYX> I guess arch's core install is far less stuff than raspbmc or openelec???
[13:33] <corewillem> i know but i want raspbmc or openelec
[13:33] <MrZYX> main downsides are of course required manual setup and compilation on the pi needed
[13:33] <corewillem> yes that's the problem :p
[13:33] <corewillem> i'm noth a linux guru
[13:33] <MrZYX> why don't you try #raspbmc and I guess #openelec exists too
[13:34] <corewillem> thanks
[13:35] <Vibe> does armhf bin work on armel?
[13:35] <Vibe> that came from deb-package
[13:35] <bjorn`> In theory, but you would need all libraries to be available as armel as well
[13:35] <bjorn`> including libc etc
[13:36] <Habbie> non-raspbian debian armhf stuff does not work on pi
[13:36] <Habbie> as far as i know
[13:36] <Dyskette> In practice, it won't work.
[13:36] <Vibe> oh, so no, k
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[13:36] <Dyskette> Habbie, that's true, but also a slightly unrelated issue :P
[13:37] <bjorn`> Well, If you can live with having two versions of all your libs on your card, it's possible.
[13:37] <Dyskette> bjorn`, and going through the process of building them all, let's not forget
[13:37] <Dyskette> It would be pretty complex to set up at best.
[13:39] <Vibe> I have one java software not working on raspbian wheezy, compiled and worked on rpi with squeeze
[13:39] <Vibe> its giving -> http://pastebin.com/c9ac2FrJ
[13:40] <Vibe> maybe cos of armhf
[13:41] <Dyskette> Yeah, you can't (easily) run armel binaries on armhf
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[13:43] <Vibe> that software needs fp-compiler 2.4 so can't compile it in wheezy :/
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[13:50] <bjorn`> Dyskette: they're already built - there's a whole armel environment ready already don't forget
[13:51] <bjorn`> Although you might have to do some wizardry and re-linking
[13:51] <Dyskette> bjorn`, that is true, but isn't that going to give headaches with them being different versions#?
[13:52] <Dyskette> My point is basically that there's enough wizardry involved that if someone needs to ask if it's possible, the answer's going to be 'effectively no'
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[13:52] <bjorn`> Fair point. :)
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[14:05] <Vibe> debian6 on rpi isn't really raspbian?
[14:06] <buZz> no
[14:06] <buZz> debian6 is only for armv4 and armv7
[14:06] <buZz> raspbian is for armv6
[14:08] <Vibe> but squeeze on rpi uname says armv6l GNU/Linux
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[14:08] <Tu13es> has there been any talk of an armv7 rpi?
[14:09] <buZz> no
[14:09] <buZz> raspi = breakoutboard for this one broadcom chip
[14:09] <buZz> Vibe: yes processor is inside
[14:09] <Habbie> Tu13es, not that i'm aware of
[14:10] <buZz> Vibe: software is not compiled for that chip though
[14:10] <buZz> Tu13es: maybe you want a gooseberry
[14:10] <Tu13es> maybe. i have NFI what i want at this point :)
[14:10] <buZz> http://gooseberry.atspace.co.uk/
[14:10] <buZz> that is a armv7
[14:11] <Tu13es> interesting
[14:11] <hermanhermitage> the BCM11311 has cortex
[14:11] <Tu13es> i guess i don't know enough of the details between the versions to know what i want...but I think I'd like a bit of a faster version than the rpi
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[14:11] <buZz> hermanhermitage: well just order 100k and make a raspi2
[14:11] <buZz> :P
[14:11] <Tu13es> that said I"m not sure how feasible running an internet browser will ever be on these devices
[14:12] <hermanhermitage> no need this has good mileage yet
[14:12] <Tu13es> ok, well not ever
[14:12] <Vibe> my question was that is squeeze on rpi previous version raspbian or just debian6 "squeeze" working on rpi?
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[14:12] <hermanhermitage> the choice of arm is a pain but thats life
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[14:12] <buZz> arm is superior imho
[14:12] <hermanhermitage> v6?
[14:12] <hermanhermitage> dead
[14:12] <hermanhermitage> a blip on the radar
[14:13] <hermanhermitage> just a timing issue for the bcm2835
[14:13] <buZz> well sure
[14:14] <buZz> my phone is armv6 aswell
[14:14] <buZz> and i just installed jelly bean ;)
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[14:14] <Habbie> hermanhermitage, is there a different chip that would really have been a better choice for the pi?
[14:14] <hermanhermitage> no
[14:14] <hermanhermitage> anything will do
[14:15] <hermanhermitage> and having the videocoreiv hidden away is fun
[14:15] <Dyskette> Vibe, the squeeze image was straight Debian, not Raspbian
[14:15] <Habbie> considering the pricepoint i'm sure not anything would do
[14:15] <lunobili1> Hi can I ask a question? I need help with the ssh server
[14:15] <hermanhermitage> just if it was paired with a cortex it would make life a little easier
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[14:15] <Habbie> lunobili1, just ask!
[14:15] <buZz> well
[14:15] <Dyskette> Vibe, it was armel, and all the packages were compiled for ARMv4
[14:15] <buZz> i really like that Allwinner A10 chip
[14:15] <buZz> i think that would have been cheaper for raspi
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[14:15] <buZz> but as they HAD to use broadcom, not an option
[14:16] <Vibe> Dyskette: ohh ok, thx
[14:16] <Habbie> i doubt eben would stick a non-broadcom on it, of course
[14:16] <lunobili1> ok, I have just downloaded http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/images/raspbian/2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian/2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.zip, The ssh server keeps resetting the connection
[14:16] <buZz> Habbie: yeah exactly
[14:16] <lunobili1> Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer
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[14:16] <buZz> i installed this raspbian image : http://www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/
[14:17] <buZz> and ssh works fine
[14:17] <Habbie> ssh worked for me yesterday on the image lunobili1 links to
[14:17] <Habbie> lunobili1, are you sure you are connecting to the right IP?
[14:17] <friggle> lunobili1: ssh should work find on the foundation raspberry pi image. Please run ssh with -v and confirm you can ping that ip
[14:18] <lunobili1> I can telnet port 22 on the right ip address
[14:18] <lunobili1> the server is up
[14:18] <lunobili1> but diconnects me
[14:18] <Habbie> buZz, and apparently the A10 bord that sells for $7-$15 is not locked down like the pi is
[14:18] <mikma> oh, minimal raspbian
[14:19] <friggle> lunobili1: pastebin ssh -v -l pi my.ip.address
[14:20] <buZz> Habbie: yeah, A10 is just a cortex A8
[14:20] <buZz> really nice
[14:20] <buZz> is that 15 usd board already selling?
[14:20] <Habbie> don't know
[14:20] <lunobili1> @friggle here are the last lines:
[14:20] <lunobili1> debug1: match: OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-2 pat OpenSSH*
[14:20] <lunobili1> debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
[14:20] <lunobili1> debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.6
[14:20] <lunobili1> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
[14:20] <lunobili1> Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer
[14:20] <buZz> and does it have analog video output? ;)
[14:20] <Habbie> i do expect my apc.io soonish
[14:21] <friggle> there is no $15 A10 board
[14:21] <buZz> bah @ apc.io :)
[14:21] <Habbie> friggle, oh :(
[14:22] <friggle> Habbie: or at least, they're nowhere near that price point yet
[14:22] <Habbie> ok
[14:23] <buZz> well, coming soon i hope
[14:23] <buZz> i like the business model already
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[14:27] <hermanhermitage> the a10 is ok, but i think rpi has a community that is different
[14:27] <Habbie> the community around the pi certainly has a lot of value
[14:27] <hermanhermitage> i have 3 a10s i'm looking at for some embedded work
[14:28] <hermanhermitage> the miniX has a nice setup for signage etc... with the built in wifi
[14:28] <hermanhermitage> but on all of these devices i'd like to see high speed IO
[14:28] <hermanhermitage> 1GB network or some high speed port
[14:28] <mikey_w> I have two mele A1000 boxes. The A10 is suppose dto be more open but it isn't in reality.
[14:28] <hermanhermitage> they all have enough silicon around for doing high speed packet processing and/or map reduce nodes
[14:29] <hermanhermitage> well mali is still closed
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[14:30] <markllama> hermanhermitage: I think there are market opportunities here. There's demand but that's not what the Pi project is about.
[14:31] <hermanhermitage> yeah agreed
[14:31] <hermanhermitage> your a10 will attract people doing certain projects on price, i see it more project based
[14:31] <hermanhermitage> where as rasppi i see as more a bbc/c64/amiga/etc replacement in the new age
[14:33] <hermanhermitage> they have done a great job
[14:34] <mikey_w> Binary blobs and NDAs for hardware info suck.
[14:34] <hermanhermitage> indeed
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[14:35] <hermanhermitage> but in the $20-$100 price point thats how it seems to be
[14:35] * RoyK just got an email about shipping from RS Components \o/
[14:35] <mikey_w> At any price point, that's how it is.
[14:36] <hermanhermitage> well all the micros below are open
[14:36] <hermanhermitage> and anything higher i've used has been open
[14:36] <hermanhermitage> nvidia have been the worst i've dealt with
[14:37] <hermanhermitage> but at the end of the day the companies have to put food on the table
[14:38] <hermanhermitage> even richard stallman has to eat
[14:38] <sjaak_trekhaak> Anyone ever experienced trouble with overclocking? Looks like my Pi isn't looking at the arm_freq command
[14:38] <sjaak_trekhaak> bogomips dont change, benchmark stays the same
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[14:44] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo - the BBQ is going & cooking :-)
[14:44] <hermanhermitage> :P
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[14:46] <[Phaedrus]> whats a good browser alternative to the midori browser (that gives me warm fuzzy feelings for it)?
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[14:47] <Tobias|> firefox (iceweasel), chromium, lynx, w3m
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[14:47] <[Phaedrus]> Tobias|: iceweasel is killing itself, trying to open a page for the past 3 minutes :)
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[14:48] <Tobias|> most things will on the r-pi
[14:48] <Tobias|> Hence why I also mentioned lynx and w3m :P
[14:48] <[Phaedrus]> a
[14:49] <[Phaedrus]> ah. fair point.
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[14:51] <kokakoda> Anyone had any luck with netsurf on framebuffer?
[14:51] <kokakoda> [Phaedrus]: try xombrero.
[14:54] <[Phaedrus]> will try it out kokakoda. Thanks for the tip
[14:54] <TheBrayn> [Phaedrus]: uzbl, luakit
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[15:20] <humbolt> why can I not start an omxplayer from an rc2 startscript?
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[15:24] <[Phaedrus]> any idea what is the admin password on the raspbian distro?
[15:24] <NucWin> they are normall on the distro page of the wiki
[15:25] <sam> [Phaedrus]: you can just change it using "sudo bash" then "passwd"
[15:25] <sam> I know I don't answer the question but well
[15:26] <[Phaedrus]> sam, that was easy, and super helpful. thanks
[15:26] <sam> cool
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[15:29] <NucWin> haha forgot the user/pass is for pi and not root i normally do sudo passwd root to set root password
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[15:40] <[Phaedrus]> i have a RPi connected to a 40inch TV and i see circles around gradients. is that normal? or am i missing a setting somewhere
[15:41] <KameSense> the chip between the audio port and the ethernet port is quite hot. Is this normal ?
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[15:42] <mikma> kamesense: can you cook eggs with it?
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[15:43] <KameSense> mikma: nearly
[15:44] <mikma> then you might want to think about glueing some heatsinks on
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[15:44] <KameSense> I thought about that but where could I buy such heatsinks ?
[15:45] <mikma> it seems to be pretty hot on mine too
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[15:45] <mikma> almost burned my finger when i tried it, lol
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> bbq lunch - yum yum yum :)
[15:45] <KameSense> mikma: that's it :)
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> mikma, almost? It's not too hot then.
[15:45] <mikma> not too hot no
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> they're good to about 70C.
[15:46] <mikma> could be worse, the whole board could have melted already
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[15:46] <mikma> kamesense: http://hackaday.com/2012/06/23/checking-out-the-temperature-of-a-raspberry-pi/
[15:46] <KameSense> I don't like it when chips temperature is greater than 60??C
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[15:47] <mikma> " a little hot to the touch, but still well within the temperature ranges given in the datasheets for these components."
[15:47] <mikma> oh and mine is oc'd to 800 ;)
[15:48] <KameSense> yes but i'm considering putting my raspi in a case, and i think it'll get hotter once in a case
[15:48] <mikma> http://michaeldornisch.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/diy-raspberry-pi-heat-sink.html
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[15:50] <gordonDrogon> I have a Pi with a PiFace board on-top. It leaves no room at all for a heatsink.
[15:50] <KameSense> interesting
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> it's not too hot though.
[15:51] <KameSense> does raspi/raspbian support lm-sensors ?
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[15:53] <gordonDrogon> no
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> from what I can find, there are no sensors to sense.
[15:53] <mikma> hmm i think i actually did burn my finger
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[15:57] <KameSense> mikma: sorry for you :/
[15:57] <KameSense> I should have say "don't try this at home" :D
[15:57] <mikma> oh well, i have cold energydrink can here
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[15:57] <markllama> pour that on the pi to cool it?
[15:57] <mikma> good idea, moment
[15:57] <KameSense> krrkrr
[15:58] <[Phaedrus]> so i am trying to get a USB wifi (Netgear mini adapter) working. And one guide says to download the linux headers, and it seems its been hidden away from raspbian. anyone has any other alternatives?
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[15:58] <mikma> [phaedrus]: http://mikma.eu/rpi/wlan.txt does this help?
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[15:58] <mikma> [phaedrus]: i don't know does netgear use ralink
[15:59] <[Phaedrus]> mikma: yep it does use ralink
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[15:59] <mikma> [phaedrus]: then you should be all good with those instructions
[15:59] <[Phaedrus]> awesome. thanks. let me give that a try
[15:59] <mikma> [phaedrus]: steps 1 and 2 might say "already at latest version" or something
[16:00] <[Phaedrus]> nope, its downloading something. I have a feeling that its just looking for excuses to download :)
[16:01] <[Phaedrus]> its okay
[16:01] <mikma> i did that with the latest image of rasbpian and everything was at latest version, but i included them in there anyway
[16:01] <mikma> heh raspbian*
[16:01] <[Phaedrus]> ah. i have a feeling i will have to update my rasbian.
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[16:02] <[Phaedrus]> a few folks said it was easier to get a wifi router and connect it :) i got scared that it was going to be a complicated nightmare
[16:03] <mikma> other people just install wicd and use the gui to do that
[16:03] <mikma> i wanted to do it with the shell, just so i could learn it while doing so
[16:04] <millette> wicd has an ncurses interface as well
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[16:04] <mikma> yeah
[16:04] <[Phaedrus]> mikma: the point is to learn, i suppose. this device is far too nimble to be bloating it. good choice, id say
[16:05] <mikma> [phaedrus]: indeed
[16:05] <ReggieUK> if you've got the space use it :)
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[16:06] <mikma> i mean c'mon, 13 new packages with 11.8mb of space if you install wicd :D
[16:06] <ReggieUK> but that's if you sudo apt-get install wicd
[16:07] <ReggieUK> if you bothered to compile everything you needed by hand and then strip it afterwards, you'd end up with a lot less space taken up :)
[16:07] <ReggieUK> of course it depends what kind of space you've got available and how much inclination you've got to set everything up yourself too
[16:07] <mikma> or, just do it by hand if you aren't planning on using tons of wlans! lol
[16:08] <ReggieUK> indeed
[16:08] <ReggieUK> my point is, if you need it, install it :)
[16:08] <mikma> actually i was quite amazed how simple it was to confogure wlan in shell
[16:08] <mikma> it took me about 20 minutes to get it working with google
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[16:10] <booyaa> mikma: wiki it please on elinux.org
[16:11] <mikma> booyaa: but... but.. that requires me to create useraccount and... :I
[16:11] <[Phaedrus]> ReggieUK: true. but go down that road, and things start adding up :)
[16:11] <ReggieUK> then again there are parts of the raspbian install that are probably bloated (even though it all seems quite minimal)
[16:11] <[Phaedrus]> mikma: thanks again. awesome stuff.
[16:11] <mikma> [phaedrus]: no problem :)
[16:11] <ReggieUK> 1.7GB of space gone just to install it :)
[16:12] <teus> uhm
[16:12] <booyaa> mikma: stick on your page or gist it and i'll wiki it
[16:12] <[Phaedrus]> ReggieUK: now you are depressing me :)
[16:12] <ReggieUK> it would be nice if we could remove the stuff that is causing all of that
[16:12] <teus> why arent there any holes in the RPI PCB for mounting????
[16:12] <mikma> teus: drill some in!!!!!111oneone
[16:12] * ReggieUK wonders how we coped without drilled mounting holes
[16:13] <[Phaedrus]> ReggieUK: :)
[16:13] <mikma> booyaa: the file's gonna stay on the url i linked :) going to add all sort of info and tips (for myself) in that url
[16:13] <mikma> booyaa: so go ahead and copypaste + edit if you wish
[16:14] <booyaa> mikma: will do and link back to your original
[16:14] <mikma> like so, how to mount windows 7 shared folders: http://mikma.eu/rpi/mount.txt
[16:14] <drazyl> just drill through those black plastic bits, don't know why they wasted the space there
[16:15] <ReggieUK> mikma, I should write up how you get samba working in pcmanfm (the file browser)
[16:15] <mikma> reggieuk: yeah i've actually heard that's pretty much the only file browser (atm?) that can read samba
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[16:15] <ReggieUK> it's the only file browser in raspbian afaik
[16:15] <booyaa> that should work for old windows boxes too
[16:16] <mikma> atleast it mounted the windows share with full rights :)
[16:16] <ReggieUK> you need to install gvfs and gvfs-backends on the pi (might need gvfs-bin too)
[16:16] <ReggieUK> and gvfs-common
[16:16] <mikma> oh wow.. would be just easier to do a startup script .. sleep 30; mount
[16:17] <ReggieUK> that also fixes the trashcan in pcmanfm
[16:17] <mikma> also, in case you haven't noticed, i have a shell fetish
[16:17] <ReggieUK> mikma, sort of
[16:17] <booyaa> mikma: this is a good thing
[16:17] <ReggieUK> small is fine but so is using what people know
[16:17] <SwK> [Phaedrus]: hey you gotta brother that used to live in huntsville?
[16:17] <mikma> i could sum it pretty much like this: if it works in the shell, it's gonna work everywhere
[16:19] <ReggieUK> shell stuff is fine, if you know and remember everything, it's great
[16:19] <ReggieUK> if you know nothing and need something setup so you can worry about bigger things, point and click is great too :)
[16:19] <[Phaedrus]> SwK: not that i know of :)
[16:20] <SwK> [Phaedrus]: lol kk
[16:20] <[Phaedrus]> where is huntsville? :)
[16:20] <booyaa> alabama?
[16:20] <SwK> yes alabama
[16:20] <booyaa> i think there might be one in texas too?
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[16:20] <ReggieUK> like your mount.txt file mikma, I understand what's going on in that file (and how to make it work for my pi/pc) but not everyone will :)
[16:21] <mikma> johnthebear: are you furrie? :D
[16:21] <[Phaedrus]> ah. i lived in Ottawa, CA for a few years. And my brother lived in Europe (still does).
[16:21] <mikma> reggieuk: then i might need to add more text to confuse people
[16:21] <SwK> there is one in texas also... but I used to work with a guy who has a brother that hung out on efnet and used the alias phaedrus
[16:21] <johnthebear> +mikma, no, but I get that a lot
[16:22] <mikma> johnthebear: did you just write the 'voice' + in my nick or is that some sort of weird autocomplete?
[16:22] <johnthebear> alas, copy paste mistake
[16:22] <SwK> mikma: some IRC clients add the + or the @ with their nick autocomplete
[16:22] <TheBrayn> +mikma: yes
[16:23] <mikma> oh wow, i've not seen that feature yet :D
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[16:25] <[Phaedrus]> SwK: ah.
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[16:25] <Timmmaaaayyy> anyone still having issues installing raspbmc? when it boots up it downloads a new xbmc build but it's just stuck at 32%. i think it's locked up
[16:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/07/25/1326225/open-millions-of-hotel-rooms-with-arduino?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
[16:26] <mikma> rattus|big: hah. free rooms!
[16:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[16:27] <mikma> the link in that page: http://blogs-images.forbes.com/andygreenberg/files/2012/07/Screen-Shot-2012-07-23-at-11.16.31-AM.png
[16:27] <mikma> he's wearing the coolest t-shirt
[16:28] <ziltro> I want to open millions of hotel rooms, all at once!
[16:29] <mikma> reggieuk: http://mikma.eu/rpi/mount.txt better? ;)
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[16:31] <SwK> those freaking card locks are everywhere too
[16:31] <SwK> lol
[16:31] <ziltro> I hadn't noticed the magic charging hole.
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[16:33] <gordonDrogon> right. I think I understand SPI on the Pi now.
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> it's an intersting curiosity.
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[16:33] <[Phaedrus]> mikma: seem to be getting some errors. do i need to do a reboot after the driver install?
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> and now I can finish the PiFace code at last.
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[16:35] <ReggieUK> getting there mikma
[16:35] <ziltro> Wow, I thought all those locks would have been networked for updates to take place.
[16:35] <ReggieUK> you could also put the IP could be a hostname instead
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[16:38] <mikma> [phaedrus]: nope, try with other driver: -Dnl80211
[16:38] <mikma> [phaedrus]: 'wpa_supplicant |more' should tell you all the drivers you can use, i have 4, wext = Linux wireless extensions (generic), nl80211 = Linux nl80211/cfg80211, wired = Wired Ethernet driver and none = no driver (RADIUS server/WPS ER)
[16:39] <mikma> reggieuk: yeah well, wouldn't that be pointless cause then the person would actually have some sort of dns or somesort configured ;)
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[16:47] <WillDuckworth> gordondrogon - how are you using the spi interface?
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> WillDuckworth, by opening /dev/spidev.0.0 ...
[16:48] <[Phaedrus]> mikma: no luck yet. says that it cannot open RFKILL control device
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> WillDuckworth, then firing a bunch of ioctls at it.
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[16:48] <[Phaedrus]> and a whole lot of spiel ending with wlan0 failed to initialize driver interface
[16:48] <mikma> [phaedrus]: that's what it said on me too, then it connected
[16:49] <[Phaedrus]> you sure firmware-ralink is what would be the driver for this device?
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[16:49] <[Phaedrus]> lsmod rays rtl8192
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[16:49] <WillDuckworth> looking at using a ublox gps over spi - will let you know how it goes
[16:50] <[Phaedrus]> it doesnt show up when i type ifconfig... i presume its not up yet
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> WillDuckworth, have you done anything over spi yet?
[16:50] <mikma> [phaedrus]: i don't know about your device :P is it listed in the working peripherals list?
[16:50] <mikma> [phaedrus]: what about iwconfig, does it say something?
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> WillDuckworth, I've just spent a frustrating few hours and finally worked out how to read data back off a device by trying some desperate measures..
[16:50] <WillDuckworth> not yet gordondrogon, no probs over the uart
[16:51] <WillDuckworth> what desperate measures?!?!?
[16:51] <[Phaedrus]> iwconfig says no wireless extensions found :)
[16:51] <mikma> [phaedrus]: and lsusb says?
[16:52] <[Phaedrus]> whenever i ask that, it never comes back :)
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> WillDuckworth, I expected to send 2 bytes, then read a byte... turns out you send N bytes, read N+1 and the data starts at position N+1
[16:53] <mikma> [phaedrus]: what?
[16:53] <[Phaedrus]> mikma: if i type lsusb, it doesnt respond. just sits there and i presume hangs
[16:53] <WillDuckworth> cheers - going to have to play with that
[16:53] <mikma> [phaedrus]: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:53] <martk100> I am trying to run xbmc on raspbian pisces. It requires root privilege to run correctly.I have a smal script to run this. To run the script without password. I have a file in sudoers.d with the following syntax. raspbian ALL=NOPASSWD:/home/raspbian/xb. It still promts for a password . What am I doing wrong?
[16:54] <[Phaedrus]> mikma: you think its the squeezy issue?
[16:54] <mikma> [phaedrus]: if lsusb hangs then it's SOMETHING issue
[16:54] <mikma> [phaedrus]: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0586:341e ZyXEL Communications Corp. NWD2105 802.11bgn Wireless Adapter [Ralink RT3070] <- that's one of the lines lsusb prints on me
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[16:56] <[Phaedrus]> ah.
[16:56] <[Phaedrus]> it doesnt seem to hang, it still takes keyboard control but yep lsusb doesnt do much for me.
[16:56] <[Phaedrus]> will update distro and come back
[16:56] <mikma> well
[16:57] <mikma> first try running sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:57] <[Phaedrus]> hmmm weird. if i pull out the network adapter, lsusb works - for the first time ever! :)
[16:58] <mikma> and what about the dongle, is it listed in the peripherals?
[16:58] <[Phaedrus]> let me let it apt-get update and check on tat.
[16:58] <[Phaedrus]> *that
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[16:59] <mikma> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Wifi_Adapters
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[17:01] <[Phaedrus]> hmm. the adapter says its a Netgear WNA1000M device. There is a support for WNA1100M, but no 1000M
[17:01] <[Phaedrus]> ah, the box for the device says N150
[17:01] <[Phaedrus]> we are good :)
[17:02] <[Phaedrus]> just wrong chipset, its atheros :)
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[17:03] <[Phaedrus]> apparently there are two versions of it, there is a realtek and an atheros one
[17:03] <[Phaedrus]> i guess from what it seems to show from lsmod, its realtek
[17:03] <mikma> sudo apt-get install firmware-atheros ;)
[17:04] <[Phaedrus]> anyways, let it dist-upgrade, will ping back after that
[17:04] <mikma> i'm off to eat and watch batman now
[17:04] <mikma> eat batman
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[17:19] <agumonkey> 9
[17:19] <agumonkey> mistyped, sorry.
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[17:22] <[Phaedrus]> Okay, Easiest way to install the Netgear WNA 1000M - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/80256631/install-rtl8188cus.txt
[17:23] <ziltro> Blimy that's a long document.
[17:23] <[Phaedrus]> very very long.
[17:23] <ziltro> I'm glad I have ethernet cables. ;)
[17:23] <[Phaedrus]> but there is a script at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/80256631/install-rtl8188cus-latest.sh
[17:23] <[Phaedrus]> run it and it does the rest.
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[17:24] <ziltro> Has anyone made an 802.3af PoE extractor to provide power to the RPi yet?
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[17:24] <ziltro> ie. something with two ethernet ports and a micro USB
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, it costs more than the Pi itself...
[17:25] <ziltro> That's a shame
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, you could use a passive one with a good PSU.
[17:26] <sam> would anyone know of a GL ES + EGL sample program that would support both the raspberry pi libs and X11+mesa through a compilation switch?
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, I've used these: http://linitx.com/product/13305 but it would need some sort of adaptor to fit miniusb
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[17:28] <ziltro> Mmm, you probably wouldn't want to transmit 5 V that far I guess?
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[17:29] <techsurvivor> good morning gents, just thought I would point out my overvoltaged pi is dead. I can't say for 100% certainty that's what caused it but I would guess it's the most likely candidate. It was just sitting on my desk overnight, when I left it it was fine, but I left it running overnight
[17:29] <mikma> [phaedrus]: holy bloody hell that's one monster of a script
[17:29] <booyaa> techsurvivor: oh dear
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[17:30] <techsurvivor> everything voltage wise looks fine. gonna check the oscillators a little later. just thought I'd give you all a data point, now I'll have to wait until another one I ordered comes in to continue experimenting.
[17:30] <[Phaedrus]> mikma: yep.
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[17:31] <techsurvivor> just be careful :) . electronics break for any number of reasons, the overvoltage just seems to be the most likely since it was sitting on a static mat, and I took at least moderate precautions with it, the only "odd" thing I'd done to it was the overvoltage setting
[17:31] <ziltro> Aren't anti-static devices conductive?
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[17:32] <techsurvivor> nope this was my lab desk, a real antistatic mat
[17:32] <techsurvivor> fully grounded
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[17:33] <ziltro> So if the pins of the RPi touch the mat are they not then grounded?
[17:33] <techsurvivor> no those things have like 2 million ohms per mm or something resistance, i've worked on a lot of electronics on them and never hurt anything
[17:33] <techsurvivor> no way you're going to damage anything with it just sitting there
[17:33] <ziltro> Ah that's okay then.
[17:34] <ziltro> I have wondered with anti-static 'conductive' bags.
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[17:34] <techsurvivor> it's just a "lower" resistance than an insulator so charge has a place to go (to the ground connection)
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> techsurvivor, just how overvoltaged did you have it - and what clock speed?
[17:35] <techsurvivor> i doubt clock speed is an issue, that would just cause it to not work, this is damage. I've seen too much voltage damage PC processors. I had it on "6"
[17:35] <techsurvivor> in those recommendations. maybe I just had weak hardware :)
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[17:35] <techsurvivor> i think if i overvoltage again I'll at least have a heat sink on the proc heh
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> ok - thats 6 * 0.05v ?
[17:36] <techsurvivor> actually gordon i don't know, probably is on the overclock page i'll check
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> but was it fast - how many bitcoinds did it mine ;-)
[17:36] <ziltro> At least you didn't turn it up to 11. ;)
[17:36] <techsurvivor> it was 1ghz, so probably 0.001 :D
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> ok
[17:37] <techsurvivor> bit coins that is
[17:37] <ziltro> Not GPU mining?
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> does sound odd - I have mine at 900MHz without overvolting.
[17:37] <mikma> is it completely dead or can you still ie. measure the heat coming from the chips
[17:38] <ziltro> Are there any distributed computing projects which run on the RPi yet?
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[17:39] <techsurvivor> mikma, the chips aren't getting hot :( . the voltages from the regulators make sense, but the OK light is just a very dim red
[17:40] <techsurvivor> the power light is green like normal
[17:40] <techsurvivor> pretty sure it's toast. I'll check the oscillators a little later
[17:40] <tcial> techsurvivor: What's the problem?
[17:41] <techsurvivor> that requires me digging out my logic analyzer
[17:41] <techsurvivor> tcial: dead rpi, won't do anything, so who knows which part is broken, all i know right now is i've tried 3 sd cards that should be good, and the only thing that comes on is the power light
[17:42] <tcial> techsurvivor: Is this a brand new rpi?
[17:42] <techsurvivor> it's been working well for week and a half
[17:42] <techsurvivor> pretty new
[17:42] <tcial> Have you been doing anything power intensive?
[17:42] <tcial> Like, crazy overheating stuff?
[17:42] <techsurvivor> i shouldn't have overvoltaged it :) . of course that might not be it at all, electronics like anything else can fail
[17:43] <techsurvivor> i used the overclocking instructions to get it to 1GHz, i'm just guess that is the problem, no way I can know for sure, just warning other people here.
[17:43] <tcial> :P
[17:43] <tcial> What's the normal clock speed?
[17:44] <techsurvivor> 700 MHz, i think this setting was 6*0.025 volts so it was only overvoltaged about .15 volts
[17:44] <tcial> xD
[17:44] <tcial> Oh, that's not much
[17:44] <ziltro> techsurvivor: With no SD card aren't the lights supposed to flash?
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> ah, it's 0.025 ...
[17:45] <techsurvivor> gordonDrogon: that's what it says on the overclock page, just looked :)
[17:45] <techsurvivor> well 0.15 is more than 10% which is out of spec for a 1.2V part i'm willing to bet, I'd have to look at the chip datasheet. which I dont' think is available without an NDA
[17:47] <techsurvivor> so anyway everybody be careful, they don't say they won't take them back when you do that without a reason :)
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[17:47] <techsurvivor> i maybe just like without the overvoltage until they become easy to get my hands on :)
[17:48] <techsurvivor> now I have to buy one for inflated prices on ebay :)
[17:49] <Tu13es> how much are they going for?
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[17:49] <techsurvivor> looks like 80-100 bucks
[17:49] <techsurvivor> the pi blackmarket heh
[17:50] <ziltro> But they are on sale regularly though?
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[17:50] <ziltro> With perhaps some delivery delays...
[17:50] <ziltro> Although from Farnell mine said it had shipped after only 1 week. Of course it hasnt' arrived yet.
[17:50] <techsurvivor> said 5 weeks at element 14, i'm not luckey enough to live in england
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[17:51] <ziltro> I woudl say not living in england is lucky.
[17:51] <techsurvivor> lol, yeah I can probably get other stuff a lot cheaper here in the US
[17:51] <tomtiger11> Where does someone find a cheap spring loaded actuator that can be retracted with raspberry pi gPIO
[17:51] <tomtiger11> GPIO*
[17:51] <ziltro> RS said 11 weeks to the UK.
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> tomtiger11, you're after a solenoid of some sort..
[17:52] <gordonDrogon> tomtiger11, the Pi's GPIO is no-where near beefy enough to drive one on it's own.
[17:52] <ziltro> I ordered the PSUs from RS, so even if the one from Farnell arrives I can't use it.
[17:53] <tomtiger11> gordonDrogon: I have some relays, so thats OK
[17:53] <tcial> Anyone here live in the UK?
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> tomtiger11, the pi can't drive a relay either - you'll need some sort of buffer like a darlington driver...
[17:53] <ziltro> I do :(
[17:53] <tcial> ziltro: Ever heard of maplin?
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> I'm in the youooo kay.
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[17:53] <ziltro> I have. They sell survelliense rubbish mostly?
[17:54] <ziltro> And other things at excessively high prices
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> he's gorne...
[17:54] <ziltro> Except their SLA batteries, which were expensive enough that buying two got you free delivery. ;)
[17:54] <tomtiger11> gordonDrogon: Im sure it can power a relay for a few seconds
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> I've used maplin before - actually I used them just 2 days ago... my wife was passing the exeter shop, so I did an order and collect...
[17:54] <ziltro> Ah well.
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> tomtiger11, 15mA, so not a snowball's chance in hell...
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> tomtiger11, and that's at 3.3v too.
[17:55] <ziltro> I don't go to shops which are under survellience. Don't see why I should support that.
[17:55] <tomtiger11> :/
[17:55] <tomtiger11> Is there any other way?
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> PiFace - it's an IO board with relays on-board...
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> and darlingtons.
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> I'm currnelty working on a version of wiringPi for it..
[17:56] <tomtiger11> link me?
[17:56] <ziltro> Can the RPi GPIO actually drive anything more than a transistor?
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> http://piface.openlx.org.uk/
[17:56] <ziltro> Or maybe an LED/opto isolator?
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, not really.
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> LEDs/optos, yes.
[17:57] <ziltro> They could be useful.
[17:57] <ziltro> Two opto-isolators migh be able to create ISDN signals. And a transformer.
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> can't think why on earth you might want to do that though..
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> isdn is dead as a dodo.
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[17:58] <ziltro> Which are something like -700 mV, 0 V or +700 mV
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[17:58] <ziltro> To convert ISDN to VoIP
[17:58] <ziltro> ISDN is very not dead. Businesses sue it loads.
[17:58] <tomtiger11> gordonDrogon: Because i was going to lock my school locker with an actuator anda
[17:58] <ziltro> s/sue/use/
[17:58] <tomtiger11> and a pi*
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[17:59] <nio> is there an official rpi channel?
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> tomtiger11, good idea, but it'll run out of juice - the Pi sucks some 3 watts ..
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> nio, this is unofficial as it gets...
[17:59] <ziltro> I would like to run Asterisk or similar on an RPi and connect it to an ISDN line. Then it could speak IAX and be connected to a larger Asterisk box, or something.
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, asterisk works OK.
[17:59] <nio> i just read the topic, it says unofficial, so i asked for an official one
[18:00] <ziltro> So effectively the RPi would convert IAX to ISDN.
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[18:00] <gordonDrogon> nio, there isn't an official one as far as I know - this is it..
[18:00] <nio> can somebody explain me asterisk? i read the wiki, but i am stupid, i guess
[18:00] <ziltro> Which for only two channels should be doable. Maybe.
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, use an external gateway - much easier.
[18:00] <ziltro> gordonDrogon: What's an external gateway?
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, I've spent the past 5 years selling asterisk solutions - PITA....
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, a boack box that has ethernet on one side, and ISDN on the other. Looks like a SIP device.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> *black
[18:01] <ziltro> They exist?
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> dozens of them.
[18:01] <ziltro> I haven't found any.
[18:01] <ziltro> I found an ISDN car for like ??700
[18:01] <ziltro> card
[18:01] <nio> whats a boack box?
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> a mistyping of black box.
[18:01] <tomtiger11> gordonDrogon: Don't worry, Ive got a huge battery ready, just need a power regulator
[18:01] <nio> i have a isdn card for my pc, also usb isdn things
[18:01] <ziltro> A box which used to be black but has faded.
[18:02] <ziltro> PC ISDN cards don't work in Linux.
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, e.g. start here: http://www.voipon.co.uk/voip-gateways-c-3.html
[18:02] <ziltro> Basically, from what I can tell.
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, some of them do, but they're a real fiddle to get going with asterisk. (unless it's isdn-30)
[18:02] <tomtiger11> gordonDrogon: Also, all of the solenoid actuators i can find on ebay arent spring loaded
[18:03] <ziltro> Anyway, I was thinking if I could get an RPi or Arduino to talk ISDN, then the rest could be done in software and it could be cheap.
[18:03] <ziltro> tomtiger11: Attach a spring to them.
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> good luck - intersting project, but good luck
[18:03] <ziltro> I put a scope on the ISDN line, and it does see to be how it is described on Wikipedia, which is never wrong. ;)
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[18:04] <tomtiger11> ziltro: Still then, how does it retract?
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, seriously though - just don't do it. you'll end up wasting hours and days and months...
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, especially with asterisk. I did, and now I've given up. I no-longer sell asterisk solutions.
[18:05] <ziltro> I want someone else to write the software really... ;)
[18:05] <ziltro> All I want to create is something like a serial to ISDN adapter.
[18:05] <ziltro> So all processing is done on the PC
[18:05] <ziltro> And don't care if it doesn't handle another ISDN device being on the line.
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[18:06] <markitoxs> hey, so Im trying to compile a module, and when i do the make, it points to linux/module.h which is not in that path, how do i fix it so subsequent requests work?
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, as they say; good luck there then.. Really, you're flogging a dead horse. no-one uses ISDN for data anymore.
[18:07] <markitoxs> im talking about udlfb module
[18:07] <ziltro> I want to use it for voice.
[18:07] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, again, good luck. if some supplsedly standards compliant boards for Linux won't work, then I fear you have a bit of a struggle.
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, look at the isdn4linux project to get started on the software...
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[18:11] <SwK> anyone know of a touchscreen calibration program that works with rasbian outta the box?
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[18:13] <Gallomimia> swk no i don't but i sure would like one. i have a 3M touchscreen that i'd like to work with rasppi
[18:15] <SwK> Gallomimia: I got a Lilliput 869GL w/ the touchscreen... other then having to muck with config.txt to get the settings right for overscan and video modes, its been no problem... the touch screen works under the evdev drivers that are built in to both the debian and rasbian images (1 small caveat there was inverted X axis which is easy enough to fix in the Xorg configs)
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[18:16] <SwK> now if there was only a good program to realtime tune in the overscan settings and calibrate the touchscreen I'd be happy lol
[18:16] <tomtiger11> :/
[18:18] <Gallomimia> yeah that sounds important.
[18:19] <SwK> Gallomimia: google might have provided an answer.. if the touchscreen works under the evdev driver, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1755896
[18:20] <Gallomimia> nice. i will file this away for later reference
[18:21] <Gallomimia> also, for my information, how much does a touchscreen which can connect to an rpi easily cost?
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[18:28] <SwK> Gallomimia: i got my Lilliput off amazon for about $200... it has a HDMI interface for the video and uses a USB port for the touch overlay... it has a resistive overlay so it works with any stylus (not like the capacitive ones on an iP[ad|hone] which requires something special)
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[18:28] <nizeguy> guys how do we cross compile with cmake for rpy ?
[18:29] <Gallomimia> still pretty expensive but a decent price to make a touchscreen terminal
[18:29] <techsurvivor> i didn't think cmake cared what the compiler was?
[18:29] <techsurvivor> cmake is like make, you just need to tell it which compiler to use in the config file
[18:31] <SwK> Gallomimia: actually this thing is really intended for like in vehicle use... it also has several other inputs like 2 composite, and a standard 15pin VGA
[18:31] <SwK> the touch screen alone adds a fair bit of cost to these things for some reason
[18:31] <IT_Sean> touchscreens are aspensive.
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[18:32] <SwK> but for my project its worth it
[18:32] <SwK> plus if this project works out not so well I can still do a car-puter later lol
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[18:34] <Gallomimia> sweet.
[18:35] <Gallomimia> i've always wanted mobile computing in a car, and i want networking too.
[18:35] <hotwings> seems like wanting to use the rpi for a car media player is a popular idea
[18:35] <Gallomimia> a nice phat 4G uplink antenna with repeater for cellphones and data for laptops and such. contractor crew usage
[18:35] <hotwings> i know its one of the reasons i wanted an rpi :]
[18:35] <IT_Sean> Do people really need a computer in their car?
[18:35] <IT_Sean> I mean... really?
[18:36] <IT_Sean> You can't unplug for a couple of hours a day, if that?
[18:36] <nizeguy> techsurvivor: yeah, i was asking about cmake just to query for some templates or how-tos.
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[18:36] <Gallomimia> hands free address book for my hands free cellular phone dialing
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[18:36] <Gallomimia> hands free is the law here in my jurisdiction
[18:37] <ziltro> My car has more than one computer in it.
[18:37] <ziltro> Controls the engine. Sometimes.
[18:37] <Gallomimia> if it's mounted, you can distract yourself with it all you want
[18:37] <SwK> IT_Sean: I keep waiting for a cellular modem I can embed in my skull
[18:37] <Gallomimia> i dont want a modem
[18:37] <Gallomimia> not in my skull.
[18:37] * IT_Sean shakes his cane, yells at a load of kids to get off his lawn, and mutters about how in his day cars didn't need fancy whizzbang gadgets
[18:37] <Gallomimia> i want a display on my glasses
[18:37] <SwK> lol
[18:37] <Gallomimia> and some audio inputs like you see on kids who are born deaf
[18:37] <ziltro> Although I do want to make my own car which has 4 electric motors and a steam engine to create electricity.
[18:38] <SwK> the sad thing is, i had a carputer back in the 90s lol
[18:38] <Gallomimia> magnetic skull implants that transmit the signals into some kind of.... cochlear implant
[18:39] <ziltro> Isnt' that known as a hearing air?
[18:39] <ziltro> They all have coils for receiving from loop systems
[18:39] <Gallomimia> they're not really "aids"
[18:39] <ziltro> hearing aid, even.
[18:39] <Gallomimia> they don't help. they overtake
[18:40] <Gallomimia> the kid has something actually wrong with his ear. old people who need aids are just numb to sonic input
[18:40] <millette> please don't build one at home, kids
[18:40] <millette> leave it to the pros ;-)
[18:40] <Gallomimia> haha
[18:40] <Gallomimia> no use your dad's power saw to test it out on yourself
[18:41] <IT_Sean> O_o
[18:41] <hotwings> [09:33:47] <IT_Sean> Do people really need a computer in their car? <-- theres a lot of computers in a modern car
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[18:41] <millette> diy cochlear implants...
[18:42] <hotwings> but if you mean do people need the internet in their car.... no!
[18:42] <Vibe> I think IT_Sean meant second computer :p
[18:42] <ziltro> Car internet would be interesting.
[18:42] <ziltro> Not sure what you could use it for
[18:42] <ziltro> VoIP calls. Streaming internet audio.
[18:42] <IT_Sean> Yeah... i wasn't referring to the engine computer.
[18:42] <IT_Sean> I meant. a second computer
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[18:42] <ziltro> My car has two engine computers.
[18:42] <IT_Sean> hell... all i have in my car for entertainment is a single DIN AM FM CD. Doesn't even do MP3 or have an AUX in
[18:43] <IT_Sean> DOes your car have two engines, ziltro?
[18:43] <IT_Sean> Then it's overengineered.
[18:43] <Vibe> I think there are solutions that use 3G and make WLAN available on car
[18:43] <ziltro> IT_Sean: Nope, only one. Two would be good though.
[18:43] <Vibe> so theres your Internet :p
[18:43] <ziltro> Apparently some automatic gearboxes have their own computer, not sure why.
[18:44] <IT_Sean> In my day we didn't have this "internet" thing. And no email either. YOu had to write letters. And use a stamp. And it took a week and a half for your message to arrvie, bygonnit! /old nutter
[18:44] <IT_Sean> ah, there is your problem. you have an autotragic.
[18:44] <ziltro> There was wireless telegraphy
[18:44] <hotwings> i like mp3/m4a, and avi/mkv mpeg2/mpeg4 support in the car. music for everyone, videos for passengers
[18:45] <ziltro> FLAC!
[18:45] <ziltro> For coolness points
[18:45] <millette> flac in a car... how's the acoustics?
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> ziltro, my car has more computers in it that I can shake a raspberry pi at )-: more to go wrong.
[18:45] <ziltro> I like FLAC as 'the audio codec to standardise on'.
[18:45] <IT_Sean> my car has one computer. a very simple one, at that.
[18:46] <IT_Sean> Cn hardly call it a "computer" by today's standards, really.
[18:46] <hotwings> i dont give out cool points for flac cuz its pointless either 1) in the environment its played in, or 2) on the equipment being played on
[18:46] <ziltro> gordonDrogon: Actually my car... I have two at the moment... THe one I'm going to sell soon, it has gone wrong for longer than it has been working.
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> my car also has 2 gearboxes and 2 clutches - talk about points of failure too.
[18:46] <ziltro> Ooh I had one with two gearboxes, but only one c... no it had a torque converter.
[18:47] <IT_Sean> If i can't mend it with a bit of string and some ducttape, it's too complicated.
[18:47] <ziltro> I had a land rover discovery automatic, which had a manual gearbox as wll.
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[18:47] <gordonDrogon> no clutch pedal in mine - it's computer controlled automatic... it does have flappy paddles though... on the steering wheel, so are completely useless.
[18:47] <ziltro> It wasn't bad for an automatic, I could make it change gear when I wanted to most of the time.
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[18:48] <ziltro> My steam-electric wouldn't have any gearbox or clutch or diffs.
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> you need to design an electric motor that has full output over a very large range of revolutions though...
[18:50] <ziltro> 4 electric motors.
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> one per wheel, or 4 different motors driving the wheels at different speeds?
[18:51] <ziltro> One per wheel.
[18:51] <ziltro> So if three die you can still drive.
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> so you still need to design an electric motor that has full output over a very large range of revolutions though...
[18:51] <ziltro> I'm used to an unreliable car. I don't want that any more.
[18:51] <ziltro> Well yes.
[18:51] <ziltro> Brushless motors look good, I think.
[18:52] <hotwings> unreliable cars make travelling more adventurous
[18:52] <IT_Sean> Unreliable cars make it harder to say employed, hotwings
[18:52] <ziltro> hotwings: Want to buy my old car? It is very adventurous. ;)
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[18:52] <IT_Sean> ANd no... i never want to set off on a journey wondering if i'll make it.
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[18:57] <hotwings> ziltro - no thanks ;)
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[19:06] <martk100> I want to run a script with root privilege. from a symlink. I have created a file in sudoers.d with the following entries "raspbian ALL=NOPASSWD:/home/raspbian/xb. When I type xb from non root account it still prompts for a password. What am I doing wrong?
[19:09] <sam> try /home/raspbian/xb
[19:10] <sam> sorry, sudo /hom/raspbian/xb
[19:10] <sam> sudo will not be called magically, you need to explicitly launch the desired command with sudo
[19:11] <martk100> sam: That text is in the script. I want to click on my symlink and open xbmc. It must not ask for a password.
[19:13] <ziltro> Does the script run 'sudo /home/raspbian/xb'? Or 'sudo something_else'?
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[19:14] <ziltro> I think... you want two scripts. One which I'll call script1 which does nothing more than 'sudo script2', and the other which runs the as-root commands. script2 needs to be in sudoers.
[19:15] <ziltro> Unless I'm missing something.
[19:15] <martk100> ziltro: The script is just "sudo /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin"
[19:15] <sam> does it have #!/bin/sh in the first line?
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[19:15] <ziltro> martk100: Then /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin should be in sudoers, not /home/raspbian/xb.
[19:15] <sam> martk100: if you run "sudo /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin" you need to put sudo /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin in your sudoers file
[19:16] <sam> sudoers doesn't say what scripts can run sudo; it say what scripts sudo can run
[19:16] <martk100> ziltro: sam: How do I specify no password?
[19:16] <sam> like you did
[19:19] <martk100> ziltro:sam: thanks I will have another go.
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[19:22] <techsurvivor> hmmm i pulled out my logic analyzer and it looks like the 19.2MHz clock is dead :(
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[19:23] <techsurvivor> if anyone who was here before knows what I'm talkign about :)
[19:23] <hotwings> http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/03/14/hdmi-cable-protects-your-xbox-360-from-noisy-viruses/
[19:23] <hotwings> haha
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[19:28] <techsurvivor> oh i'm a liar :( the oscillator is fine, I didn't have my voltage threshold set low enough, looks like both oscillators are fine. time to start stripping this board down for spare parts
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[19:31] <ziltro> Good luck desoldering the BGAs.
[19:31] <techsurvivor> those are useless to me anyway :) . i could get them off with my heat gun though
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[19:33] <techsurvivor> lots of good connectors and looks like VR's are good, various diodes, some of the bigger caps and resistors
[19:33] <ziltro> You could take everything off and sell the bare board.
[19:33] <ziltro> Someone would probably buy it...
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[19:34] <techsurvivor> thinking they could fix it ? hah i'm not that much of a criminal.
[19:34] <techsurvivor> i can get $25 bucks of parts off of it heh
[19:34] <ziltro> No, I mean for the novelty value. Raspberry Pi board with no components.
[19:35] <ziltro> Might want to point out that there were components but they got removed. :)
[19:35] <techsurvivor> oh, rpi key chain, maybe I could do that, strip everything off and then cut it into keychain shape
[19:36] <ziltro> Yeah, I'd be tempted to do that and re-invest any profit in to RPis. :)
[19:36] <techsurvivor> yeah was hoping it was something easy to fix like the clocks or the regulators, but those all look fine :(
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[19:39] <techsurvivor> maybe I should dig out my beagle board until the other rpi comes in, provided I win the bid
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[19:43] <wmat> enovate (verb) 1. To spend a vast amount of money you can't afford on a house the bank actually owns, giving up your weekends, and making your life a living hell for months on end so that you can feel a little bit better about the walls you stare at while sitting on your shiny new toilet. 2. An endless cycle of despair.
[19:44] <wmat> oops, sorry about that, wrong window
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[19:57] <Lartza> How many leds can I get the Pi to control? with a 74HC595
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[19:58] <Lartza> 4>16 right?
[19:58] <DrLuke> Hello, does anybody know how I enable ssh access for the debian distro before I actually install it?
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[19:58] <Lartza> So I can control 20 LED's in total with the Pi? right?
[19:58] <DrLuke> even more with a shift register
[19:59] <Lartza> I have a shift register
[19:59] <Lartza> 74HC595
[19:59] <Lartza> It should be able to control 16 leds from 3 or 4 GPIO pins
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[19:59] <DrLuke> yeah
[19:59] <Lartza> and then I have 4 gpio pins left to control 4 more
[19:59] <DrLuke> 3 is enough
[19:59] <Lartza> so 20 in total?
[19:59] <Lartza> 21 then
[20:00] <DrLuke> you can daisychain shift registers
[20:00] <DrLuke> you can control as many as you want with just 3 pins
[20:00] <Lartza> I only need to control 20 leds :)
[20:00] <Lartza> unless I can't fit all of them on one breadboard :P
[20:00] <DrLuke> but daisy chaining them is easier than having 2 parallel ones
[20:01] <Lartza> I only have a single shift register
[20:01] <DrLuke> you just connect the last output pin of the first shift register to the input of the second
[20:01] <DrLuke> oh
[20:01] <DrLuke> that might prove difficult then
[20:01] <Lartza> Really? :/
[20:02] <DrLuke> daisy chaining 2 shift register when you only have 1, yes
[20:02] <Lartza> Ah
[20:02] <DrLuke> :P
[20:02] <Lartza> I thught driving 20 led's :P
[20:02] <DrLuke> might also prove difficult
[20:03] <DrLuke> they consume a lot of power
[20:03] <Lartza> Hm
[20:03] <DrLuke> you might want to use transistors
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[20:03] <Lartza> I have a ULN2803APG darlington driver :P
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> love the little darlings...
[20:04] <Lartza> I have no idea how and what to use that thing on
[20:04] <Lartza> :D
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, Pi has 17 GPIO pins - to output more signal,s you need some thing more...
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[20:05] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
[20:05] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, I want to drive 20 led's and I have an 74HC595 shift register
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[20:05] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, ok - that'll give you 8 more, but use 2 pins.
[20:06] <Lartza> Worse part of all this? I am confused by the breadboard still ;)
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, it will make setting them on/off individually somewhat challenging, but it's just a programming problem.
[20:06] <Lartza> Programming? Should be easy :p
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> if this is your first time with a breadboard, I'd suggest starting with just one LED and working up...
[20:06] <Lartza> If I can wire it up
[20:06] <Lartza> Yeah
[20:06] <Lartza> I was thinking of making a BCD binary clock, my final goal
[20:07] <Lartza> But I will work up
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> Start here for a simple introduction: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
[20:07] <Lartza> Just want to know if I can get to the point of having 20 led's
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> that will get you some basic LEDs going.
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> 20 LEDs is relatively easy.
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> but you'll need a long breadboard or 2...
[20:08] <Lartza> I have a long one and yes its a concern if it will fit :P
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[20:09] <Lartza> I have 64 rows on my board
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> sure, but standard LEDs take up 3 positions.
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> although you can stagger them to get them down to 2 positions.
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> my ladder game does that.
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ladderGame2.jpg
[20:11] <ziltro> Oh I'v seen that before.
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> right: wiringPiFace: Done.
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> now to test it and write up a bit or 2.
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[20:34] <KameSense> ok, the only way I found to have more than 4.75V between TP1 and TP2 is to use a usb hub and a Y cable to power the raspi
[20:34] <KameSense> even a 1A PSU didn't achieve this
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[20:36] <KameSense> I hope it won't freeze anymore now
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[20:43] <GabrialDestruir_> So just an interesting little factoid
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[20:43] <GabrialDestruir_> A comprehensive zenmap scan, takes over several hours when done on the Pi
[20:44] <GabrialDestruir_> I started at 2am and it's now pushing noon and it's still working.
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[20:51] <StMichel> KameSense: could be that your PSU is supplying 1 A and 5 V but not at the same time :>
[20:51] <StMichel> I hear that voltage drop is not unusual for cheaper power supplies
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[20:54] <gordonDrogon> done another cheesy video with the PiFace :)
[20:55] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Gosh... the breadboards couldbe larger than this really :P
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> voltage on my Pi with the PiFace fitted: 4.72v
[20:55] <GabrialDestruir_> PiFace?
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, some clip together ...
[20:55] * gordonDrogon nods. PiFace.
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/piface/
[20:56] <Lartza> gordonDrogon, Yeah this does too :)
[20:56] <Lartza> BUt I only have one :(
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> going to add the video to that page soon.
[20:57] <KameSense> StMichel: I tried a Motorola PSU, a Sony-Ericsson PSu and a HTC PSU. Are these considered as cheap ?
[20:58] <StMichel> I guess not by the retail price.
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[20:58] <KameSense> So...
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> http://youtu.be/XDt4lw_ECEI
[20:59] <StMichel> Yeah, I don't have a clue which to buy if one wants to be sure that it supplies what it promises
[20:59] <KameSense> a powered usb hub and a Y cable ;-)
[20:59] <GabrialDestruir_> Personally for a PSU I use either a Nook Touch wall adapter, or I plug it into the nearest device with a USB port.
[20:59] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[21:01] <KameSense> I would never thought I could find some use to my USB 1.1 powered hub again but well
[21:01] <KameSense> I'm glad I didn't threw it away
[21:01] <GabrialDestruir_> 5MP caamera for the Pi? That isn't too bad for an "official" camera mod.
[21:02] <StMichel> not bad. url?
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[21:02] <GabrialDestruir_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/pi-face
[21:02] <GabrialDestruir_> It's just a small little note in the raspberry jam article
[21:03] <GabrialDestruir_> Gert brought along a prototype camera board to show the crowd. We're hoping to release the final version, which will have a 5MP sensor, in the next few months.
[21:03] <StMichel> hmm, I totally have skipped over that caption
[21:03] <StMichel> but great thing
[21:03] <Maior> GabrialDestruir_: yay, I'm really looking forward to that; atm I'm using a USB webcam which kinda sucks
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[21:04] <GabrialDestruir_> What I'm happy for is people aren't actually restricted to a 5MP camera....
[21:04] <GabrialDestruir_> You could probably grab a higher MP camera and add it on, it'd just cost a lot more
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[21:10] <gordonDrogon> it's highly unlikely it'll work with a camera other than that the foundation supply.
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> at least that's what I got the impression of at the Cambridge Jam where they demod and talked about it.
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[21:12] <gordonDrogon> stupid piface site - trying to submit a comment and it's stalled.
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[21:13] <plugwash> all depends how far the GPU reverse engineers get really.....
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[21:13] <plugwash> IIRC someone has managed to get basic machine code running on there
[21:14] <mjr> what did that basic guy port his interpreter over to the gpu ;)
[21:14] <mjr> damn, I forget his nick
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[21:17] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a basic interpreter..
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> or are you meaning the DexOS one?
[21:18] <mjr> I probably mean you
[21:18] <mjr> g sounds familiar for the crazy basic guy ;)
[21:18] <xiambax> holy crap. look at these new qualcomm tab benchmarks
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> Heh... been mentioned on the front-page of sparkfun :)
[21:19] <xiambax> got one huge bezel on it though.
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> interstingly enough the original BASICS of ye-old days had matrix arithmetic built in - so MATMUL, etc. and other operations to do stuff like matrix dot.producs...
[21:21] <gordonDrogon> Those are the operations that something like a GPU should be able to simply hoover up without blinking.
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[21:37] <gordonDrogon> right. that's the piface out of the way for now. wonder what I can use it for?
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[21:38] <gordonDrogon> it's hot. thermo meter is measuring 27
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> !w buckfastleigh
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[21:38] <PiBot> gordonDrogon: in Buckfastleigh, Devon. Temp 81??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 51%, Later 79??F - 59??F. Condition: Clear.
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[21:38] * gordonDrogon mutters that's 81 in real numbers.
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[21:46] <ziltro> Are we american now?
[21:47] <Gabrial|Laptop> Anyone else think a Sheeva Plug running a single X window vs a rPi running an entire X desktop is skewing results a bit in benchmark testing?
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[21:48] <gordonDrogon> no )-:
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> but PiBot doesn't know that.
[21:49] <Gabrial|Laptop> I wish I had a sheevaplug now so I could do an unskewed comparison
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[21:52] <ziltro> Those plug computers look great
[21:52] <ziltro> Sort of
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[21:54] <ziltro> I wonder if they do them with IEC 60906-1 plugs...
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[21:57] <plugwash> is IEC 60906-1 that new standard the IEC were trying to push but that gained little traction?
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[21:57] <ziltro> You mean "is used in Brazil"?
[21:57] <ziltro> And yes. :)
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[21:57] <plugwash> isn't it europlug compatible?
[21:57] <ziltro> I have a Brazilian 20 A socket.
[21:57] <ziltro> It is indeed.
[21:59] <ziltro> Like a fatter Europlug with an offset third pin.
[21:59] * plugwash thought pretty much all of the plug computers offered a europlug option
[21:59] <ziltro> Yeah but three pins would be more fun.
[21:59] <ziltro> I suppose they would... hmm.
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[22:01] <pacMan81> What uses has anyone found for the Raspberry pi?
[22:01] <ziltro> I've used mine for getting excited tha tit might arrive today but so far hasn't.
[22:01] <markllama> none I think.
[22:02] <markllama> though I'm working on a classroom lab for teaching system admin
[22:02] <ziltro> I have a lot of simple single-task uses in my brain.
[22:03] <ziltro> Like as a file server, serving SSH and SMB. Oh it might run HTTP too.
[22:03] <ziltro> Low banwidth, backups over the internet mostly.
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[22:04] <nid0> the pi serves http just fine
[22:04] <ziltro> Yeah I'm hoping so. And HTTPS.
[22:04] <ziltro> Mostly HTTPS actually.
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[22:06] <muep> I've just been using it to get a bit unusual opengl stack to play with
[22:08] <KameSense> quassel-core, cups, imapfilter \o/
[22:08] <sam> I'm porting my Android game projects
[22:08] <ziltro> CUPS... It would work as a print server.
[22:08] <KameSense> maybe adding vsftpd soon
[22:08] <ziltro> For USB printers
[22:09] <KameSense> ziltro: for parallel printers too, with an usb to parallel adapter
[22:09] <ziltro> Yes, or even serial... ;)
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[22:10] <KameSense> indeed :)
[22:11] <KameSense> it's slow but it works great with my old HP LaserJet 4+
[22:11] <Gabrial|Laptop> I'm thinking I need to make a few videos showing Youtube and Hulu working on the rPi so people will stop saying it's impossible.
[22:12] <millette> I want to use wifi dongle and produce sounds from the surrounding signals, have a bunch of them
[22:12] <SRCR> magnus_: thanks for the tip earlier this morning just copy the arch/arm/boot/zImage to /boot/kernel.img boots the new kernel
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[22:15] <SRCR> What kinda cases are you using with the Pi
[22:15] <SRCR> ?
[22:16] <KameSense> DIY Lego \o/
[22:17] <KameSense> Otherwise, there are plenty on eBay
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[22:18] <SRCR> KameSense: I was just being curious, I have ordered the pibox from adafruit.
[22:19] <KameSense> I see :-)
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[22:26] <nid0> both of my pis are in modmypi cases
[22:27] <Gabrial|Laptop> I just had a thought, instead of modding a lapdock so the pi is flush with it, why not create a case with built in conversions and stuff that you could sell and works with any unmodded lapdock?
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[22:33] <rigid> does anyone know where I can buy a raspberry pi in germany? is it out of stock everywhere?
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[22:34] <rm> http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/default.aspx?cl=1
[22:34] <Sm0ke0ut> you probably have to import them from the uk
[22:34] <rm> "in germany" <- did you expect, like, go to a local shop and buy it?
[22:34] <Sm0ke0ut> shipping is in most cases free though
[22:34] <rigid> rm: yes, like with arduino is coming to shops now
[22:35] <rm> pay and wait 18 weeks, this is the Raspberry Pi ordering process
[22:35] <rigid> 18 weeks :) seems like all the world waits for this stuff
[22:35] <rm> nope, they are just lazy and slow and don't make enough of them
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[22:35] <rm> they = RS/Farnell
[22:36] <rigid> where's the bottleneck? normally it doesn't make a difference if you build 10 or 10.000 if all parts are available
[22:36] <rigid> hm i see
[22:36] <rigid> i guess they are the exclusive distributors?
[22:36] <plugwash> personally I suspect RS/farnell are worried that if they ramp too high they will have spent a load of money getting factories set up that then end up only making a handful of Pis each
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[22:36] <Sm0ke0ut> also, they didn't really expect such amount of orders
[22:36] <rigid> plugwash: they certainly don't spend much on factory setup
[22:37] <plugwash> and once you get into the kind of volumes the RPF are doing component supply can also be an issue sometimes, you can't just buy 100K of an IC off the shelf
[22:37] <rigid> yep, i guess that's more of a problem
[22:37] <millette> in may, what was it, 700 units ordered per second?
[22:37] <rigid> probably connected to the fukushima-japan-flooding disaster or so
[22:37] <rigid> s/probably/maybe/
[22:37] <rigid> lol
[22:38] <millette> bjork?
[22:38] <KameSense> rigid: don't think so
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[22:39] <techsurvivor> they have to be careful too, if the demand falls off rapidly after everyone who's going to get one has one, they might overbuy them and have a big stockpile
[22:39] <rigid> KameSense: you mean none of the major components' manufacturers are affected by the disaster?
[22:39] <agumonkey> Any volume numbers released from rpi officials or farnell/rs ?
[22:39] <nid0> theyre producing 4,000 a day at the moment
[22:40] <rigid> techsurvivor: i'd be surprised if they care. Normally those platforms are old when you buy them. You instantly get new revisions with improvements
[22:40] <agumonkey> and assuming all sold virtually
[22:40] <rigid> s/buy/get/ :-/
[22:40] <techsurvivor> that's a lot of speculation about japanese parts, I doubt that effects rpi much at all, these aren't hard to find parts, after having a looksee through the schematic, would be interesting to play around on digikey or farnell and see how many of the parts they have in stock
[22:40] <rigid> nid0: ok, then the demand is just huge
[22:41] <rigid> techsurvivor: i guess teh SoC at least is hard to source, you can't easily replace it
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[22:41] <techsurvivor> sounds like demand is huge and supply is small but growing. they are going to be cautious, they aren't a huge company like samsung who can afford to warehouse a bunch of boards
[22:41] <rigid> yep
[22:42] <rigid> one problem every small hardware producing company has
[22:42] <rigid> but what the heck, it's cheap so people can wait :)
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[22:44] <agumonkey> yeah but now that the market exists, giant companies will cut corners and drop you faster/cheaper by the time rpi knocks on your door right ?
[22:44] <rigid> that's always the case. but this can be overcome with innovation and it's great for the customer and for market diversity imho
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[22:45] <rigid> since i doubt everyone will build a 1:1 copy of it
[22:46] <techsurvivor> probably, these are commodity parts, so anyone can build one. if they can build one cheaper and get it out the door it could hurt the sales I suppose
[22:46] <techsurvivor> start watching the chinese deal sites in the coming weeks :)
[22:46] <rigid> yeah might be worth it
[22:47] <ReggieUK> the advantage that the pi has is traction
[22:47] <techsurvivor> I would of course buy from raspberry pi, just to support the cause, they're doing cool stuff here. I like supporting innovation instead of buying knockoffs, but if it's between that and waiting 6 months... ahem.
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[22:48] <techsurvivor> I love the pi, i'm sorry I burned mine up :( heh
[22:48] <ReggieUK> china has got to get hold of the bcm chips to compete
[22:48] <ReggieUK> otherwise it'll just be another digital photoframe reference board with poor documentation :D
[22:48] <techsurvivor> oh nice, so rpi has some sort of deal with broadcom?
[22:48] <techsurvivor> heh
[22:50] <agumonkey> I wonder what rpi is planning next
[22:51] <Gabrial|Laptop> Mkay
[22:51] <plugwash> having looked at a Pi schematic I think the possiblly awkward parts are the broadcom SOC, the POP memory and the USB hub with ethernet
[22:51] <plugwash> everything else looks very generic to me
[22:53] <ReggieUK> plugwash, umm, yeah, can't really get much more generic than resistors, caps, leds, connectors and a couple of v-regs :D
[22:53] <ReggieUK> you could probably ebay all teh parts except teh stuff you've mentioned
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> somehow I'll let someone else build it...
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> the Pi as it is, is fine for now.
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[23:06] <dirty_d> hey
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[23:07] <dirty_d> the rpi is plenty fast to be used as a router right?
[23:07] <dirty_d> im thinking wireless uplink and the ethernet port to a gigabit switch
[23:07] <markllama> well it kinda depends on the amount of traffic.
[23:07] <dirty_d> the heavy traffic would be on the local side, so it would never see the rpi
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[23:07] <muep> RPi ethernet is only 100 Mb/s
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, it's fast enough, but ...
[23:08] <markllama> but it's on par with some turn-key consumer boxes
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> it's all USB which is half duplex...
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[23:08] <markllama> but if you were going to do that, I'd get a turn-key consumer box and root it.
[23:08] <dirty_d> the internet connection is way slower than any hardware limitations
[23:09] <dirty_d> right now my main PC is my router
[23:09] <markllama> you are a glutton for punishment.
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[23:09] <dirty_d> which is a pain when i wanna play games on windows and it uses a lot of power
[23:09] <markllama> is there a reason not to spend $100 on a consumer router?
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[23:10] <markllama> other than this: http://squarism.com/2012/02/20/consumer-routers-suck/
[23:10] <dirty_d> markllama, i guess cuz the rpi is $35 and i have everything else i need
[23:10] <markllama> except time
[23:10] <dirty_d> and i guess you have more control, its more fun, and its just cool
[23:10] <tos9> Just buy a linksys and put tomato on it, same $40, and all the work is done.
[23:10] <markllama> I bill at $50/hour for friends, $100/hour for simple business and for $175/hour for contracting
[23:11] <dirty_d> i would need a bridge not a router though
[23:11] <markllama> so the difference you're talking about is about 27min.
[23:11] <markllama> ahh ok fun and cool I understand.
[23:11] <dirty_d> i get free wifi courtesy of the ghetto
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[23:12] <dirty_d> ivebeen on the same unsecured network for over a year, lol
[23:12] <markllama> you might not want to brag about it. I mean I don't CARE, but...
[23:12] <dirty_d> i have a cantenna with a big aluminum foil funnel on the end
[23:13] <markamber> Hi, I am looking at running a heavy memory web server on here. Rails/nginx (don't laugh at me, I will succeed) but I wanted to know how do I get a distribution that does not copy the image to the memory
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[23:13] <sam> what image?
[23:13] <markllama> copy which image?
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[23:14] <markamber> I was just told by the guy sitting next to me that the rasbian image is copied onto the memory into a ramdisk for running
[23:14] <dirty_d> none of them copy the image to memory do they?
[23:14] <dirty_d> there isnt enough
[23:14] <markamber> Ohh
[23:14] <dirty_d> it doesnt do that
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[23:15] <markamber> Well is there a distribution that uses just a small amount of memory by defauly
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[23:15] <dirty_d> theyre probably all about the same
[23:16] <dirty_d> it depends which services are running, which you can change on every one
[23:16] <markamber> Like no gui, no nothing??? I know that there must be a way???
[23:16] <dirty_d> so just go with whatever one youre comfortable wiht
[23:16] <dirty_d> id say archlinux, but probably mostly because thats what i use
[23:16] <markamber> Is there anyone here that knows how low of memory usage you can go to on raspberry pi with distributions that are available already
[23:18] <markllama> markamber: THe "copy to memory" is on first boot so that it can expand the root fs to fill the available SD card.
[23:18] <markllama> after that it doesn't
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[23:18] <markamber> markllama: Oh ok
[23:19] <markllama> I'm most comfortable with Arch as well on Arm.
[23:19] <markamber> Well we just put arch on the SD card and I will see how much memory it is using
[23:19] <markllama> It shouldn't be too hard to trim it.
[23:19] <markamber> I think that without a gui rasbian was still using a whole bunch
[23:19] <dirty_d> i have 59MB used 61MB free
[23:20] <dirty_d> with no gui
[23:20] <markamber> markllama: I know that, but reinventing the wheel just does not have that 'sounds fun' ring to it
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[23:20] <markllama> do be careful of what memory is "used". This is linux after all which uses heap and only releases it as needed
[23:20] <markamber> dirty_d: What are you running
[23:20] <dirty_d> arch
[23:20] <markllama> I don't know if there's a "damn small ARM linux" yet.
[23:20] <dirty_d> i havent done anything to reduce memory use though
[23:21] <millette> puppy
[23:21] <markamber> Arch is using 25 MB
[23:21] * markamber is happy
[23:21] <dirty_d> markamber, its going to be slow, does that matter?
[23:21] <markllama> does puppy have a pi build?
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[23:22] <SwK> has anyone gotten xinput_calibrator to build on rasbian?
[23:22] <markllama> raspbian is likely to get you the best speed at the moment (depending on usage)
[23:22] <dirty_d> markamber, swap on an external harddrive would help
[23:23] <dirty_d> they still dont have a harffp repo for arch huh?
[23:23] <dirty_d> i was working on building one, but i lost interest
[23:23] <dirty_d> it was very tedious
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[23:23] <markllama> Fedora's working on it. raspbian is isn't it?
[23:23] <NucWin> dirty_d im working on that as my little project atm
[23:23] <NucWin> it is very tedious
[23:23] <dirty_d> rasbian is already all hardfp right
[23:23] <markamber> dirty_d: How do you access networking on arch.
[23:23] <dirty_d> NucWin, how are you doing the building?
[23:24] <NucWin> think the arch arm team are considering/working on a hard float plan
[23:24] <dirty_d> markamber, what do you mean?
[23:24] * markllama was tempted to see if he could rip the kernel from rasbian to F17
[23:24] <NucWin> using gentoo hf ;)
[23:24] <dirty_d> NucWin, so building on the rpi?
[23:24] <NucWin> yups
[23:24] <dirty_d> painfully slow
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[23:24] <NucWin> i have distcc setup to speed up some of them
[23:24] <dirty_d> i was using scratchbox
[23:24] <dirty_d> scratchbox2
[23:25] <dirty_d> but qemu isnt good enough
[23:25] <NucWin> compiling for armv6j vfp
[23:25] <dirty_d> it would crash for uniknown reasons during some builds
[23:25] <NucWin> rpi has been rock solid
[23:25] <dirty_d> NucWin, archlinux arm uses some fast arm machine to compile on
[23:25] <dirty_d> well multiple ones
[23:25] <NucWin> had a few issues with few packages
[23:26] <dirty_d> NucWin, how far have you got?
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[23:26] <NucWin> currently building gcc 4.7.1 in gentoo
[23:26] <dirty_d> yea gcc was a real pain, but i got it built
[23:26] <NucWin> 1 moment will paste my notes
[23:26] <dirty_d> glibc too
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[23:28] <NucWin> http://pastebin.com/NRKB4cqn
[23:28] <NucWin> # before means done
[23:28] <dirty_d> oh cool
[23:28] <dirty_d> i started with base
[23:28] <dirty_d> but i didnt finish
[23:29] <NucWin> that is the packages on the archarm image
[23:29] <dirty_d> archlinuxarm has some kinda build system, i bet you could get that working on gentoo hf or raspbian
[23:29] <NucWin> + base_devil at the end
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[23:29] <NucWin> the build system uses a database which they havent release
[23:29] <NucWin> d
[23:29] <dirty_d> what i was doing seemed way too "manual"
[23:29] <NucWin> really cant be bothered reverse engineering to create my own database
[23:30] <DrLuke> I've tried to install eclipse, but my drive is full before it finished unpacking. Now I can't use apt-get remove, because it says "dpkg was interrupted". How do I remove all the packages that were installed?
[23:30] <NucWin> ive been doing it manual but can access from mobile phone anytime to set the next job going
[23:30] <dirty_d> NucWin, they wont release it?
[23:30] <NucWin> was thinking of writing a quick script to go find PKGBUILD's and pkgmake them
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[23:31] <dirty_d> the hard part is building and installing in the correct order
[23:31] <dirty_d> so many dependencies
[23:31] <NucWin> i asked for blank database but they said there isnt one and its a living breathing thing
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> try apt-get clean
[23:31] <dirty_d> it must use a crapload of disk space
[23:31] <dirty_d> since you need a lot of things installed to build other things
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[23:32] <NucWin> i have 80GB hdd on the usb running gentoo and swap
[23:32] <NucWin> only have /boot on the sd card
[23:32] <dirty_d> yea
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[23:32] <NucWin> then have archlinux running in a vm on my always on box
[23:33] <NucWin> built crosstool-ng for the hard float and setup distcc
[23:33] <dirty_d> yea i did that
[23:33] <NucWin> that really does make a difference for the packages that use it
[23:33] <dirty_d> but i found it barely made it faster because the rpi still had to preprocess and link
[23:33] <NucWin> i dont have another usb->sata to run my other pi with building tasks
[23:33] <ReggieUK> NucWin, do you have a link to the method for setting up distcc
[23:33] <dirty_d> maybe a little faster
[23:33] <dirty_d> but i dont theink 2 distcc slaves would speed it up any
[23:34] <ReggieUK> and crosstool-ng
[23:34] <NucWin> been thinking about iscsi but not sure if it will be quick enough to have swap
[23:34] <NucWin> ummm i did make quick notes for someone the other week i shall see if i can find
[23:34] <dirty_d> i think archlinux arm has the best setup, using fast arm systems to do the compiling
[23:34] <dirty_d> no emulation or cross compiling crap
[23:35] <sam> so does Debian
[23:35] <dirty_d> i havent even looked at how much they cost
[23:35] <NucWin> ReggieUK https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/RPi/arch-distcc-armv6j.txt?w=0fe36e37
[23:35] <NucWin> doh
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[23:35] <NucWin> not right url
[23:36] <NucWin> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/42150098/RPi/arch-distcc-armv6j.txt <-- you need that one
[23:36] <dirty_d> ReggieUK, i can send you my crosstools-ng config file i used
[23:36] <ReggieUK> please dirty_d :)
[23:36] <NucWin> mines on dropbox
[23:36] <ReggieUK> thanks guys
[23:36] <NucWin> linked in txt files
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[23:38] <dirty_d> ReggieUK, here it is http://pastebin.com/M83Tya0A
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[23:40] <NucWin> nice thats targeting the cpu and not the arch like ive done
[23:42] <dirty_d> i figured it might help a little, probably not though
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[23:43] <dirty_d> although it helped a crapload on my PC
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[23:44] <dirty_d> ffmpeg went from transcoding DTS to AAC at 300fps to 900fps
[23:44] <NucWin> 1 pi is no where near enough to use 2cores of a Q9550
[23:44] <NucWin> did setup a vm & x-tools on my i5 too but it wasnt even getting used
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[23:44] <dirty_d> dropbox2 was using my i7 to near 100%
[23:44] <dirty_d> too bad qemu wouldnt cut it though
[23:44] <dirty_d> not dropbox, scratchbox
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[23:45] <dirty_d> it compiled at pretty much the same speed as i can compile x86 code
[23:46] <techsurvivor> even with -j6 ?
[23:46] <dirty_d> i used -j9
[23:46] <techsurvivor> ah cool
[23:46] <techsurvivor> good o know
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[23:47] <NucWin> tried -j 6 does speed up some packages doesnt use 2x cpu though on my server
[23:47] <techsurvivor> to*
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[23:47] <NucWin> really causes problems on packages that does not use distcc though so have to watchout for them and turn it down first
[23:47] <NucWin> or serious swap thrashing
[23:47] <dirty_d> -j9 is definitely faster than -j5 for me because of hyperthreading
[23:48] <dirty_d> my old Q6600 didnt have hyperthreading i think
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[23:48] <NucWin> my q9550 doesnt have HT
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[23:54] <Lartza> How do I use the shift register? Can I connect it to the Pi like to an arduino?
[23:54] <Lartza> ground and 5V and then 3 pins
[23:55] <Lartza> actually... yeah
[23:55] <Lartza> Help! :D
[23:55] <dirty_d> what shift register?
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[23:56] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, mostly - what 5V though?
[23:56] <Lartza> http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/ShiftOut
[23:56] <Lartza> That tells me to ground it and plug two to 5V
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, wiringPi has a shiftOut function that works like the arduino one.
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> Lartza, connect it to 3.3v not 5v.
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> although what type did you get?
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[23:56] <Lartza> What what?
[23:57] <Lartza> 74HC595
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> ok
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> connect it to 3.3v.
[23:57] <Lartza> the one on that tutorial
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[23:58] <gordonDrogon> that tutorial is fine, but just make sure you use the 3.3v pin.
[23:58] <Lartza> Okay
[23:58] <Lartza> And...
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[23:58] <gordonDrogon> and wiringPi has a shiftOut function if you need it.
[23:59] <Lartza> I don't know at this point really :P
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[23:59] <gordonDrogon> this is for your 20 LED project?
[23:59] <Lartza> Yes
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> the shift register will drive 8 LEDs.

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