#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-07-27

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[0:02] <sirspazzolot> can anybody with gentoo pi experience tell me if portage is unusably slow or if it's reasonable
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[0:03] <sirspazzolot> actually what are all the pi distros that are common? raspbian, arch, gentoo, openelec, raspbmc... what else?
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[0:04] <plugwash> I suspect in terms of sheer numbers plain debian is still the most common
[0:04] <plugwash> simply because it was the officially reccomended distro for so long
[0:06] <sirspazzolot> I have a 2gb, 8gb and 16gb sd card though and I wanna decide which card gets which distro
[0:06] <RoyK> sirspazzolot: ??ngstr??m might work
[0:07] <sirspazzolot> thinking openelec or raspbmc or one of thems for the 2gb and raspbian and gentoo for the bigger ones but I wanna try more
[0:07] <sirspazzolot> I'll look into that one royk
[0:07] <sirspazzolot> oh and does anybody know if that pi pentesting distro actually does anything?
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[0:08] <RoyK> sirspazzolot: pentesting? it should be pretty safe with the standard distros - also, most worms focus on x86
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[0:09] <sirspazzolot> royk, there is a specific pi pentesting distro called Raspberry Pwn or something
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[0:09] <sirspazzolot> I wanted to know if that was really practical due to the limited number of ways a pi can interface with other devices
[0:10] <ziltro> Woop, looks like an old server PSU and a floppy cable poweres my Pi. :)
[0:10] <plugwash> how many ways do you need?
[0:11] <plugwash> if the organisation is a bit sloppy then a single ethernet port may well be enough to sit on their internal network and connect to some external server for commands
[0:11] <sirspazzolot> okay I guess in my mind "lacking onboard wifi" = "no connection options whatsoever"
[0:11] <sirspazzolot> and I could totally just look at it myself :)
[0:15] <thrawed> sirspazzolot: do you not have usb wifi dongles where you live?
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[0:15] <sirspazzolot> thrawed computer components are marked up insane amounts at local stores here (and I thought it was the same everywhere haha)
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[0:16] <thrawed> wifi dongle shouldn't be more than ??10
[0:16] <sirspazzolot> there's a college surplus store that's open to the public for maybe 5 hours a week that you can find some cheap parts at but they don't have a consistent inventory
[0:16] <plugwash> I think traditional computer stores are always expensive
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[0:16] <sirspazzolot> thrawed I bought a microusb cable for $15 the other day
[0:17] <thrawed> congrats
[0:17] <plugwash> at least round here you seem to have two options for getting cheap computer parts, you mail order them or you find a place that is primerally mail order but also happens to have a trade counter you can buy from
[0:17] <sirspazzolot> that's really expensive for one
[0:17] <ziltro> Depends how long it is.
[0:17] <ziltro> It is is 30 metres that's probably a good price.
[0:17] <sirspazzolot> 10ft, same thing online is like $4
[0:18] <ziltro> Although I don't know how many volts would get to the other tle.
[0:18] <ziltro> end
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[0:18] <sirspazzolot> and that was at a computer store. shorter cords were available at best buy with a brand name and were like $20+
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[0:19] <ziltro> MegaWowUSB with Gold Plated Extras
[0:19] <plugwash> yeah, that is how those places make thier money
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[0:19] <lupinedk> hehe gold plated
[0:19] <plugwash> offer a competitive headline ticket price but then sting people on the extras
[0:19] <hamitron> my r-pi arrived today \o/
[0:20] <ziltro> That's three in one day
[0:20] <sirspazzolot> woooo hamitron
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[0:21] <sirspazzolot> I don't get why brand name cords caught on. they're just wire inside a rubber tube
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[0:22] <ziltro> But they have a name on, and are Gold Plated and Expensive so must be Better
[0:23] <sirspazzolot> http://pwnieexpress.com/products/pwnphone okay that actually seems like a cool product right there. expensive but cool.
[0:23] <sirspazzolot> and yeah unnecessary. but cool.
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[0:29] <agumonkey> hey guys
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[0:40] <Hexxeh> sirspazzolot: meh, you could run backtrack on a pi, who cares, same thing :P
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[0:53] <ziltro> Woop, server PSU is good, now running Raspbian :)
[0:53] <ziltro> Shame this keyboard has all the letters in the wrong place
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[0:53] <ziltro> I can't look at it or I start to make mistakes
[0:54] <hamitron> is there an image that fits on a 1GB SD card?
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[0:55] <hamitron> smaller the better
[0:55] <hamitron> :)
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[1:03] <Mlmmt> wao, honestly didnt expect this many people here
[1:04] <Syliss> lulz
[1:04] <Mlmmt> I dont have my Pi just yet, should be here in about 3 weeks or so
[1:05] <Mlmmt> still not entirely sure what I am going to do with it, gonna buy a pre-built case though, since I have no legos, and I have no pieces of wood big enough to make a wooden case
[1:05] <hamitron> :)
[1:07] <Mlmmt> hmm, does freenode have a port for SSL connections?
[1:07] <simcop2387> Mlmmt: might be sooner than you think, mine was estimated for november, got here today :)
[1:07] <Mlmmt> very nice
[1:07] <simcop2387> Mlmmt: yes, one second
[1:07] <Mlmmt> I didnt see any listed in the on connect message
[1:08] <simcop2387> 1http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#ssl # look slike 6697
[1:08] <Mlmmt> thank you, brb
[1:08] <Maior> I never saw the point
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[1:08] <simcop2387> Maior: mostly for open wifi, that way people can't eavesdrop, though i use a vpn myself
[1:09] <Mlmmt> my wifi is encrypted
[1:09] <Mlmmt> but its just become a habit to use SSL
[1:09] <Maior> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:W5PCfq840z8J:www.quakenet.org/articles/99-trust-is-not-transitive-or-why-irc-over-ssl-is-pointless+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
[1:09] <Mlmmt> its a "Why not"
[1:09] <Maior> mmm I guess
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[1:09] <Mlmmt> I dont care either way, but its so easy, no reason not to
[1:10] <Mlmmt> I have a rasberry-related question actually, has anybody tried to get ZNC running on a pi?
[1:11] <ziltro> The more encryption the better
[1:11] <Mlmmt> lol. that works for me
[1:11] <Mlmmt> :P
[1:11] <ziltro> Makes it harder for the state
[1:12] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) Quit (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)
[1:12] <Mlmmt> anyways, I see no reason why I should not be able to run ZNC on a rasberry, I just dont have the rasberry part yet
[1:12] <Mlmmt> they have it working under arch linux ARM
[1:13] <Mazon> Mlmmt: I am running znc right now - no issues
[1:13] <ziltro> I got my RPi today :)
[1:13] <Mlmmt> ok, wanted to make sure it worked
[1:13] <Mlmmt> since thats one of the reasons I got the pi
[1:13] <ziltro> mpd+ncmpcpp working
[1:13] <ziltro> Volume control in alsamixer is interesting.
[1:13] <SpeedEvil> I have quasselcore running.
[1:14] <Mlmmt> gonna put ZNC, irssi, and probably some kind of proxy server on it
[1:14] <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure about the clients though
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[1:14] <Mlmmt> thing is, though I know how to use these words, I am useless when it comes to linux command line, (oh joy, I get to learn a new CLI >.<P)
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[1:17] <ziltro> Linux CLI is much nicer then DOS. :)
[1:17] <Mlmmt> lol, what about IOS
[1:18] <Mlmmt> and I dont mean the apple kind
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[1:18] * blkhawk is now known as blkaway
[1:18] <ziltro> It is of course easier if you have the key caps on the correct keys
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[1:18] <Mlmmt> ha ha
[1:19] <ziltro> It seems that running rsync over ethernet is affecting my ability to press keys.
[1:19] <ziltro> Not supprising, but noticable.
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[1:20] <f8ba208e18> hello. I ordered a Rpi from RS on june 22, and it said the despatch was of 10 weeks. I just went online and noticed that the despatch is now of 18 weeks. Do you guys think it will ship sooner? should I cancel my order and order from element14 instead?
[1:20] <Mlmmt> element14 had a stated wait of 5 weeks last I looked
[1:20] * JMichael|work (~JamesWhit@jmcooper.goshen.edu) Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
[1:20] <ziltro> Farnell got mine to me today, I ordered last monday.
[1:21] <f8ba208e18> wat
[1:21] <Mlmmt> wao, thats suprising
[1:21] <f8ba208e18> where are you ziltro
[1:21] <Mlmmt> I ordered mine close to that long ago
[1:21] <ziltro> I suspect the delivery time on the web site is for new orders though
[1:21] <ziltro> UK..
[1:21] <Mlmmt> ahh, yeah
[1:21] <Mlmmt> US here
[1:21] <f8ba208e18> when did you order Mlmmt
[1:21] <Mlmmt> little over a week ago
[1:22] <f8ba208e18> expected delivery date?
[1:22] <Mlmmt> no rush, since I still need to get all the goodies to go with it
[1:22] <Mlmmt> site said 5 weeks
[1:22] <ziltro> So the more people who are ordering more it'll increase. Your delivery will still be 10 weeks from when you ordered
[1:22] <Mlmmt> I personally dont care, it gets here when it gets here
[1:22] <ziltro> They posted it second class this monday.
[1:22] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
[1:22] <Mlmmt> in the meantime I need to research how to set it up
[1:22] <Mlmmt> and I still need to order all the accessories
[1:22] <f8ba208e18> damnit. I shouldnt have dealt with RS...
[1:22] <Mlmmt> keyboard, wifi adapter, flash drive, and a case
[1:23] <ziltro> RS seem more popular because they do multiple items in an order.
[1:23] <Mlmmt> and of course a hdmi cable
[1:23] <ziltro> I ordered my PSUs from RS.
[1:23] <Mlmmt> lol
[1:23] <ziltro> They haven't arrivevd yet. :)
[1:23] <Mlmmt> I was lucky
[1:23] <Mlmmt> I have a spare microusb psu
[1:23] <f8ba208e18> RS are insanely slow
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[1:23] <Mlmmt> 1000mw
[1:23] <ziltro> So I'm using the "always on" 5V from an old server PSU
[1:23] <Mlmmt> err
[1:23] <Mlmmt> 1000 ma
[1:24] <Mlmmt> its a cell phone charger
[1:24] <ziltro> I think it is rated at 1.5 A
[1:24] <ziltro> The main 5 V is rated at something like 28 A
[1:24] <Mlmmt> I think the pi only needs like 750 ma
[1:24] <ziltro> Yeah. :)
[1:24] <ziltro> Hmm my keyboard keeps resetting..
[1:24] <f8ba208e18> what should I get for a flash drive?
[1:24] <ziltro> SD card.
[1:24] <f8ba208e18> i meant size
[1:25] <Mlmmt> you need a SD card to start with
[1:25] <Mlmmt> im getting a 16 gig
[1:25] <f8ba208e18> oh that much
[1:25] <Mlmmt> dirt cheap
[1:25] <Mlmmt> lol, that much
[1:25] <ziltro> Definatly > 2GB
[1:25] <Mlmmt> 16 gig flash drive
[1:25] <Mlmmt> 10 bucks
[1:25] <Mlmmt> :P
[1:25] <f8ba208e18> seriously? lol
[1:25] <ziltro> Personally I'd go for speed class 6
[1:25] <Mlmmt> https://www.adafruit.com/products/859 < gonna get this too
[1:25] <f8ba208e18> im still considering...
[1:25] <ziltro> Raspbian installer is 1.9GB
[1:25] <Mlmmt> if only because I am lazy
[1:25] <f8ba208e18> ok so defo 2gb+
[1:25] <ziltro> Or ... something like that.
[1:26] <Mlmmt> well, you still need a SD card
[1:26] <f8ba208e18> are people getting cases to deal with dust? or just so it's pretty..
[1:26] <Mlmmt> thats big enough
[1:26] <Mlmmt> neither
[1:26] <Mlmmt> its to keep kids from touching it
[1:26] <f8ba208e18> just to pimp it up?
[1:26] <Mlmmt> while its on
[1:26] <f8ba208e18> oh,.
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[1:26] <f8ba208e18> shouldnt be a problem here lol
[1:26] <Mlmmt> yeah
[1:26] <ziltro> I want a case on the one I'm going to dump at my parent's house on top of a metal hard disk enclosure
[1:26] <Mlmmt> I sometimes have younger family members over, and they like to touch things
[1:27] <f8ba208e18> tape it to the ceiling
[1:27] <Mlmmt> lol
[1:27] <Mlmmt> was considering getting a vesa mount
[1:27] <ziltro> That would be a good case
[1:27] <Mlmmt> and mounting it to the back of the tv its plugged into
[1:27] <Mlmmt> out of the way
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[1:28] <Mlmmt> but for now a simple clear case is plenty
[1:28] <Mlmmt> its gonna be a plug server of sorts
[1:28] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[1:28] <Mlmmt> so I dont have to leave the giant desktop on
[1:28] <f8ba208e18> where did you get your 10$ 16gb sd card?
[1:29] <Mlmmt> oh, that was flash drive
[1:29] <f8ba208e18> o
[1:29] <Mlmmt> http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Class-Flash-Memory-TS16GSDHC10E/dp/B003VNKNEQ/
[1:29] <f8ba208e18> and someone mentionned class 6, is that a must or just nice-to-have?
[1:29] <Mlmmt> though, to be fair
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[1:29] <Mlmmt> SD cards are cheap too
[1:30] <ziltro> Not needed. They recomend class 4+
[1:30] <ziltro> The faster it is the faster the machine will be.
[1:30] <Mlmmt> and SD cards are dirt cheap now anyways
[1:30] <f8ba208e18> so class 10 should be plenty
[1:30] <f8ba208e18> i might get this Mlmmt
[1:31] <Mlmmt> the pi supports SDHC I assume?
[1:31] <f8ba208e18> "Want it delivered Friday, July 27?
[1:31] <f8ba208e18> Order it in the next 0 hours and 0 minutes, and choose One-Day Shipping at checkout.
[1:31] <f8ba208e18> Details "
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[1:31] <ziltro> I'm using a 16 GB card right now.
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[1:31] <ziltro> So I guess so
[1:31] <Mlmmt> so I assume yes :P
[1:31] <Mlmmt> gonna have to tweak the partitioning of the card though?
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[1:32] <Mlmmt> when you write the image
[1:32] <ziltro> Yeah, Raspbian has a tool to do that, but I had already used gparted on the PC I wrote the image on.
[1:32] <Mlmmt> thought so
[1:32] <Mlmmt> also, wifi adapter is dirt cheap
[1:33] <Mlmmt> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001GQLLSW/
[1:33] <f8ba208e18> you partition the image on the sd card?
[1:33] <Mlmmt> well, most images are 2 gb
[1:33] <ziltro> Ethernet cables are cheaper. ;)
[1:33] <Mlmmt> cheaper than 4 bucks
[1:33] <Mlmmt> I dont think I can find a long enough cable cheaper than that
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[1:34] <ziltro> f8ba208e18: Yes, you have to. The first partition has to be FAT16 for the 'firmware' blobs. The install image includes two partitions and the partition table.
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[1:35] <Mlmmt> gonna get a dedicated keyboard for it
[1:35] <Mlmmt> if only because I have no spare usb keyboards
[1:35] <f8ba208e18> thanks for the intro, ziltro
[1:35] <f8ba208e18> the info* my bad..
[1:35] <Mlmmt> stack of old ps/2 ones though T_T
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[1:38] <f8ba208e18> i know that feel Mlmmt, I got plenty of now useless PS2 devices
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[1:39] <Mlmmt> at least a basic usb keyboard is pretty cheap
[1:39] <Mlmmt> gonna get another logitech k120
[1:40] <f8ba208e18> why do you want a keyboard for it, though?
[1:41] <Mlmmt> it likely wont stay plugged into it
[1:41] <Mlmmt> I just dont have any spares to use with it
[1:41] <Mlmmt> and I need a spare keyboard
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[1:42] <Mlmmt> I shouldnt need to do anything after I have everything setup
[1:42] <Mlmmt> it should just quietly sit there and chug away
[1:42] <ziltro> Apparently a lot of USB keyboards also do PS/2 with a pinout adapter.
[1:42] <Mlmmt> heh
[1:43] <Mlmmt> and I have a ps/2 keyboard with a built in backlight
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[1:43] <Mlmmt> it has an annoying layout though, so I dont even use it as backup
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[1:45] <f8ba208e18> whats with those roll-up foldable usb keyboards? are they any good?... they souond pretty lame
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[1:48] <f8ba208e18> also, Mlmmt what did you get for a psu?
[1:48] <Mlmmt> I had one already
[1:48] <Mlmmt> spare smartphone charger
[1:48] <victhor> last time I used one of those, it was pretty crap
[1:48] <Mlmmt> and cable
[1:48] <f8ba208e18> oh
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[1:49] <Mlmmt> it uses microusb for power, same as most smartphones
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[1:51] <ziltro> Well I'm certainly testing out the ethetnet here
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[1:51] <ziltro> rsyncing almost 8GB so far
[1:51] <techsurvivor> if you use a phone charger make sure it's got like 800mA+ output
[1:51] <sirspazzolot> started up my gentoo box to make a gentoo sd card. decided to update things. "emerging 1 of 252" it's gonna be running for days D:
[1:52] <sirspazzolot> made an arch card though so I can play with that I guess
[1:53] <Mlmmt> the charger I have
[1:53] <f8ba208e18> wait.. I guess I need a card adapter as well right...
[1:53] <Mlmmt> has 1000 mA output
[1:53] <Mlmmt> 5V 1A
[1:57] <f8ba208e18> wow, I'm an idiot
[1:57] <f8ba208e18> I looked at pictures of the board and kept thinking the power supply was the RCA one
[1:57] <f8ba208e18> I was like... what the hell kinda apdater fits in this!!!
[1:57] <Mlmmt> lol
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[1:58] <f8ba208e18> so disapointed in my brain right now
[1:58] <Mlmmt> ha ha
[1:58] * Mlmmt pats f8ba208e18
[1:58] <f8ba208e18> thanks thanks.. well, I do have PLENTY of microusb adapters! so that's one expense less
[1:58] <Syliss> cool, got my blackberry y cable for the pi
[1:58] <f8ba208e18> the old blackberry one should do
[1:58] <f8ba208e18> ahah, funny!
[1:58] <Mlmmt> lol
[1:59] <Mlmmt> I dont think I will use the video decoding ability of the pi though
[1:59] <Mlmmt> since I have a full desktop attached to the same TV
[1:59] <f8ba208e18> cool cool, 700ma and 5v
[2:00] <Mlmmt> not enough
[2:00] <ziltro> Send one to me! ;)
[2:00] <Mlmmt> pi needs at least 750 mA
[2:01] <f8ba208e18> aghhh damnit
[2:01] <Syliss> even said 800 is min for model b
[2:01] <Syliss> eben*
[2:01] <f8ba208e18> I'll try to find another one
[2:01] <f8ba208e18> ill check my android one
[2:01] <Mlmmt> my htc one
[2:02] <Mlmmt> is also 1A
[2:02] <f8ba208e18> 1A ?
[2:02] <f8ba208e18> oh so 1000ma... god damnit brain
[2:02] <Mlmmt> ha ha
[2:04] <ctyler_away> measuring with an ammeter, I haven't seen my Pi go past 500 mA (usb connected to a standard keyboard and mouse), though it might be more with a wireless adapter or other higher-drain usb device
[2:04] <Mlmmt> well
[2:04] <Mlmmt> I have a powered hub as well
[2:04] <Mlmmt> that I will be using
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[2:06] <f8ba208e18> well my S3 adapter is missing in action
[2:06] <f8ba208e18> ill just look up it's specs
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[2:09] <f8ba208e18> its 1A :)
[2:09] <GriffenJBS> Syliss: with all due respect to Eben, it will run with far less than 800mA
[2:10] <f8ba208e18> what would happen if the pi was to ask for more than the possible suppliable ma ?
[2:10] <GriffenJBS> the more Amps the better, you can't have to many, most people's supply either droops in voltage, and the pi can't run
[2:10] <GriffenJBS> or they unit doesn't match it's specs and doesn't put out the correct wattage
[2:10] <Syliss> lol
[2:10] <GriffenJBS> the first thing to do is check TP1 & TP2
[2:11] <GriffenJBS> if the voltage is outside 4.75-5.25 you have a power supply problem
[2:13] <GriffenJBS> f8ba208e18: if the pi tries to use more amperage than the supply is supplying the voltage drops, and the pi doesn't work
[2:14] <f8ba208e18> oh ok
[2:14] <GriffenJBS> I personally had a problem with my pi power, so I've been down this road
[2:14] <f8ba208e18> what happened?
[2:15] <GriffenJBS> plugged it into a USB port on a desktop, it seemed to work, but lots of USB errors, on the pi devices
[2:15] <f8ba208e18> what kind of voltage/amps does a usb port provide?
[2:15] <GriffenJBS> checked TP1 & TP2, voltage was low ... next supply, said 5V 180mA, should be underspec, but it worked, no more problems
[2:16] <f8ba208e18> damn 180mA
[2:16] <GriffenJBS> until I added more devices, then it couldn't keep up, it maxed about 650mA
[2:16] <f8ba208e18> http://www.amazon.ca/Kingston-Class-Memory-SD4-16GB/dp/B0013AV9TW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1343347888&sr=8-3
[2:17] <f8ba208e18> reckon this will work in my pi?
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[2:17] <techsurvivor> it should
[2:17] <GriffenJBS> Went to another charger rated 5V 780mA, it did worse, it could supply 5V, and 780mA, but not at the same time, so not 3.9W
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[2:18] <techsurvivor> all the ones I've tried (and I've tried 4, 2 diffent class speeds) have worked just fine with the new raspbian, one had an issue on the old (original release) version
[2:18] <f8ba208e18> what kind of issues?
[2:18] <techsurvivor> wouldn't boot more than a little ways in and then just hang
[2:19] <f8ba208e18> heh
[2:19] <techsurvivor> it was a class 10 though, I think it might have had some timing issue or something
[2:19] <techsurvivor> believe the release notes mentioned more SD card devices added :) . it works great now and is my best card
[2:20] <Mlmmt> so class 10 works
[2:20] <techsurvivor> mine did, it boots pretty fast
[2:20] <techsurvivor> much better than class 2 heh
[2:20] <f8ba208e18> so I'm safe with a class 10?
[2:20] <techsurvivor> i am not saying that heh, can't make any promises
[2:21] <techsurvivor> ask reggieUK he'd probably know
[2:21] <ReggieUK> about what?
[2:21] <f8ba208e18> http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B003VNKNEQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=A2F70SVPQPLKPH will this work in my pi
[2:21] <f8ba208e18> about that ^
[2:22] <ReggieUK> no promises but probably
[2:22] <ReggieUK> I've heard that class 6 are the ones to go for as class 10 are optimised for bulk transfer
[2:22] <f8ba208e18> oh really
[2:22] <ReggieUK> apparently
[2:23] <ReggieUK> it's never going faster than 20MB/s whatever you buy
[2:23] <techsurvivor> that's good to know for next sd card purchase
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[2:24] <Mlmmt> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital#Speed_Class_Rating
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[2:25] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[2:25] <Mlmmt> hello
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[2:25] <f8ba208e18> I kinda want to risk it for a class 10, while im at it...
[2:25] <ReggieUK> hi SSilver2k2
[2:25] <ReggieUK> there's nothing particularly wrong with buying a class 10 for a pi
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[2:26] <SSilver2k2> i was wondering if anyone would like this
[2:26] <SSilver2k2> im colocating my pi
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[2:26] <SSilver2k2> and i was wondering if people would use a remote compiler
[2:26] <f8ba208e18> to be honest, I don't even have an input source of 10mb/s+ so I'll consider the 6 after all
[2:26] <SSilver2k2> like, you upload your code to my site, i compile it on the pi (automatically), and then send you the compiled directory
[2:26] <SSilver2k2> or the errors if there are any
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[2:35] <GriffenJBS> SSilver2k2: the pi takes a while to compile most large sources, so how would you manage backlog?
[2:36] <SSilver2k2> a queue, with a 24hour max compile time.
[2:37] <GriffenJBS> might be a better idea to renice a 12+ hour job to lower priority and kick off the next one, up to a max of X concurrent
[2:38] <SSilver2k2> thats not a bad idea
[2:38] <GriffenJBS> would suck to have 24h job after 24h job term and result in nothing
[2:38] <SSilver2k2> true
[2:39] <SSilver2k2> i was also thinking about having a donation queue. donate a $1.00, get to the top of the line
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[2:41] <SSilver2k2> figure i can run overlayfs / tmpfs / deepfreeze and have it reset on reboot
[2:41] <SSilver2k2> offer scons and ./configure make ability
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[2:44] <GriffenJBS> SSilver2k2: you can't be the first to try a compile farm, google and see if you can reuse someone's project
[2:44] <SSilver2k2> im not the first, not gunna be the last
[2:45] <SSilver2k2> my google-fu is weak with those search terms though???.
[2:45] <SSilver2k2> try searching for remote compiling / deploy compiler, etc, it brings up a lot of noise
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[3:06] <IT_Sean> I had a brilliant idea earlier today, on accessing GPIO with a Pi inside a case. Floppy connector -> ribbon cable -> DB25
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[3:08] <GriffenJBS> IT_Sean: how do the pins line up? sounds pretty good, careful what you plug in as several pins on DB25 printers are grounded
[3:09] <IT_Sean> It wasn't for interfacing to a printer. The idea is just ot have a neater case arranglement than a dangly ribbon cable haning through a crack in the case.
[3:09] <IT_Sean> It also means you could have a more easily modular arrangement
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[3:09] <GriffenJBS> I understand, just a word of caution
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[3:40] <Zagrophyte> greetings
[3:41] <IT_Sean> greetings, earthling.
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[4:42] <ziltro> Hmm, my Pi is warm, but it could be the PSU it is atop
[4:42] <ziltro> Which is really very warn for a huge metal server PSU in its 'off' state!
[4:43] <Billiard> step 1. remove RPi from hot PSU
[4:43] <ziltro> Well yes :)
[4:43] <Billiard> there is not step 2
[4:43] <Billiard> no step 2*
[4:43] <ziltro> It is a shelf
[4:43] <ziltro> It isn't really hot, like 40?? or so
[4:44] <ziltro> Also if I move it the wire shoved in the 5V standby hole will probably fall out. :)
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[4:49] <ziltro> I'm finding that every time I start a song in MPD I get a breif buzz type sound from the analogue output
[4:49] <ziltro> If it changes songs its self it doesn't happen
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[4:53] <ZinovaS> hi, Im turned on may rpi with lates debian wheeze image but display does not show anything via HDMI, devices leds blinks. do I need somehow enable HDMI?
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[4:57] <ziltro> I just installed/booted Raspbian and HDMI worked perfectly without any intervention.
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[5:02] <ziltro> Okay, the noise seems to happen when I stop or change songs, not start.
[5:02] <ziltro> Could be this version of MPD.
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[5:03] <ziltro> Also is the caps lock LED meant to come on? CAPS works, the LED works.
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[5:03] <ziltro> Number lock and scroll lock LEDs turn on and off correctly.
[5:04] <Gorroth> so now that they're pushing out rpi's faster, will the one i bought the day after they announced it arrive before september?
[5:05] <Gorroth> the day after they announced the production speed increase
[5:09] <ziltro> I ordered one last monday, it was posted this monday and arrived on thursday.
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[5:34] <Ionic`> the boot partition has to be FAT16 and bootable, but can be as big as 2GB, right?
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[5:36] <Ionic`> hm
[5:36] <Ionic`> seems like it could be FAT32 too
[5:37] <Ionic`> hm but there may be an 255H/63S geometry limit
[5:39] <GriffenJBS> when you find the answer should add it to the wiki
[5:39] <Ionic`> the wiki contains something related to that
[5:40] <Ionic`> http://elinux.org/RPi_Advanced_Setup
[5:40] <GriffenJBS> my raspbian image is using a Win95 FAT32 (LBA) type 0xC partition
[5:41] <Ionic`> hmmm
[5:41] <phire> interesting, I thought it would be fat16 only
[5:42] <Ionic`> FAT32 shall be supported too
[5:42] <phire> wait, partition type is not the same as format
[5:42] <Ionic`> and all partitions should be cylinder-aligned
[5:42] <GriffenJBS> I'm not sure the sector size, but a FAT32 512 sector limits to 2TB, at 4k sectors the limit is 16TB
[5:42] <phire> GriffenJBS, what is it actually partitioned as?
[5:42] <GriffenJBS> phire: not sure
[5:42] <GriffenJBS> any idea how to check?
[5:43] <Ionic`> phire: the wiki page says Win95 FAT32 (partition fs label)
[5:43] <Ionic`> and if he says it's also formatted FAT16...
[5:43] <Ionic`> Err FAT32
[5:44] <phire> mkfs.msdos, no thats fat16
[5:44] <Ionic`> -F 32
[5:44] <phire> mkfs.vfat is fat32
[5:44] <Ionic`> is FAT32
[5:44] <phire> oh
[5:44] <Ionic`> vfat is vfat
[5:44] <GriffenJBS> mount says vfat
[5:44] <phire> very fat
[5:45] <Ionic`> vfat is not real FAT32/16/foo but something else IIRC
[5:45] <Ionic`> ah, right
[5:45] <Ionic`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vfat#VFAT
[5:45] <phire> from memory its fat with long filename support
[5:45] <Ionic`> long names support
[5:46] <phire> whoo, got it right
[5:46] <Ionic`> ok, so I guess vfat is just an addition to either FAT16 or FAT32
[5:46] <phire> yes
[5:46] <GriffenJBS> fsck.vfat says the same "FAT32, LFN"
[5:46] <Ionic`> but yeah, mkdosfs -F 32 creates FAT32
[5:47] <Ionic`> probably with VFAT anyway
[5:47] <Ionic`> duh
[5:47] <phire> I always thought the bootflash would be tiny and only support excatly one filesystem
[5:48] <Ionic`> mkfs.vfat is just an alias for mkfs.msdos and mkdosfs
[5:48] <Ionic`> phire: me too, that's why I'm getting information about that
[5:48] <Ionic`> but it seems to work fine even with FAT32 and larger sizes
[5:48] <Ionic`> as long as it's cylinder-aligned
[5:49] <Ionic`> hm
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[5:49] <Ionic`> I wonder what happens if you create a 2GB file, write a kernel after that and try to load that kernel
[5:50] <Ionic`> I'm not exactly sure that has been tested yet :p
[5:51] <Ionic`> ideally I'd like to use my whole 32GB card as the boot partition
[5:51] <Ionic`> which will probably waste pretty much 31.9GB but oh well
[5:52] <Ionic`> given that I'll only put kernel images up there
[5:52] <Ionic`> but the real root will reside on some USB HDD
[5:52] <AlcariTheMad> that's kind of ridiculously wasteful
[5:53] <AlcariTheMad> think of those storage-starved people who only have 30GB SSDs
[5:53] <AlcariTheMad> you'd be wasting more space than they have
[5:54] <Ionic`> :D
[5:54] <Ionic`> do you see how I care?
[5:54] <GriffenJBS> Ionic`: what's the point of a 31.9GB boot partition?
[5:55] <Ionic`> GriffenJBS: none, really, but it was the fastest card I could find, and I want my kernel to load faaaaast *runs*
[5:57] <Ionic`> hmm
[5:57] <Ionic`> https://github.com/bootc/linux/branches so 3.2.23 is the newest version? then again... potentially buggy or something
[5:58] <Ionic`> nice, I crashed github, ISE/500
[5:58] <GriffenJBS> Ionic`: your limited by the pi to about 20MB/s
[5:59] <Ionic`> GriffenJBS: yeah, 18MB/s or so
[5:59] <Ionic`> at least that's what she said
[5:59] <Ionic`> s/she/hdparm/
[5:59] <GriffenJBS> so what's the point of a large fast card?
[6:00] <Ionic`> GriffenJBS: it's the fastest card for the pi
[6:00] <GriffenJBS> I use a ?2GB? card and then mount network drives, they're rather snappy
[6:01] <Ionic`> mh
[6:01] <Ionic`> this wifi thing does only about 1.2MB/s which is everything but snappy
[6:01] <GriffenJBS> too bad no SOC current has USB3, or SATA, that would be great
[6:01] <Ionic`> but well, enough for the pi, I guess
[6:01] <GriffenJBS> some have PCIe
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[6:03] <maicod> hi is there an image available that the Pi can boot from that runs memtest ?
[6:05] <Ionic`> hmm
[6:05] <Ionic`> not sure
[6:05] <Ionic`> you may be interested in memtester though (application)
[6:05] <Ionic`> if it's available on ARM, that is
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[6:07] <maicod> I got 2 pi's and I'm suspecting theres something wrong with my 1st Pi (from the beginning I received it). It keeps corrupting the SD card and now when I tried booting from a 2nd sdcard and putting the corrupted on in a usb card reader in the pi's usb port it and doing e2fsck gave unreadable blocks and when I made the same setup on my 2nd pi it completed e2fsck fine
[6:07] <heathkid> what are you all using for wifi?
[6:07] <maicod> on=one
[6:08] <Ionic`> heathkid: DWA-160 here
[6:08] <maicod> maybe its memory is corrupt ?
[6:08] <Ionic`> can't give any clear results yet though
[6:09] <Ionic`> maicod: weird
[6:09] <maicod> yeah I suspect somethings wrong with it
[6:09] <Ionic`> maybe, who knows
[6:09] <maicod> does RS replace faulty ones ?
[6:09] <Ionic`> may or may not be memory
[6:09] <maicod> yea
[6:09] <Ionic`> I guess so, if you haven't overclocked or physically damaged it
[6:09] <maicod> maybe the IO chip
[6:09] <maicod> noooo
[6:10] <maicod> ofcourse not
[6:10] <heathkid> Ionic`: 100% stable?
[6:10] <Ionic`> heathkid: [06:06:18] ( +Ionic` ) can't give any clear results yet though
[6:10] <maicod> its pristine looking
[6:10] <Ionic`> heathkid: it's been running for the past hour only
[6:10] <Ionic`> so far without any problems but who knows
[6:11] <heathkid> the *only* wifi adapter I know of that IS 100% is the TP-LINK TL-WN821N
[6:11] <heathkid> it's not the newest version
[6:11] <heathkid> but it *works*
[6:11] <Ionic`> heathkid: isn't that the same?
[6:11] <heathkid> ?
[6:11] <Ionic`> *doesn't it have the same chip as the D-Link DWA-160 Rev B
[6:12] <heathkid> I don't know
[6:12] <heathkid> I just bought what I was told worked
[6:12] <heathkid> and it does
[6:12] <Ionic`> let'ssee
[6:12] <maicod> heathkid: is there a memory test for the Pi ?
[6:12] <heathkid> we're running Ubuntu on the rpi
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[6:12] <maicod> I mean a bootable img
[6:12] <heathkid> scratch that
[6:13] <heathkid> no, still have the Debian image
[6:13] <Ionic`> heathkid: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/carl9170
[6:13] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:13] <heathkid> too many tiny linux boards!!! :P
[6:13] <Ionic`> your TP-Link stick (at least V2) and DWA-160 Rev B have the same chip
[6:13] <Ionic`> it's working fine for me, so far
[6:13] <heathkid> cool! then you should be 100%
[6:13] <Ionic`> after downloading the firmware
[6:14] <Ionic`> but that's a no-brainer
[6:14] <Ionic`> speed isn't that good though
[6:14] <heathkid> we've been working with the guy who writes the wifi portion... this works!
[6:14] <heathkid> speed is never great
[6:14] <Ionic`> I'm getting 11MBit/s or so on the 5GHz band and 802.11n
[6:14] <Ionic`> the AP is 5 yards away but still
[6:15] <heathkid> don't get me started on the Overo Fire! bah.... I have so much $ tied up in those...
[6:15] <Ionic`> high drop in data rate if you ask me
[6:15] <heathkid> anyone want to buy a few Overo's on Summit boards with custom laser cut acrylic cases??? :)
[6:15] <Ionic`> uhm probably not? :p
[6:16] <heathkid> lol
[6:16] <Ionic`> maicod: installing gcc and stuff...
[6:16] <heathkid> at this point... with the pi shipping pretty fast now (11 days from last order to shipping/tracking number)...
[6:16] <Ionic`> heathkid: the problem with those sticks is that there are multiple versions out there with the same name but different chips
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[6:17] <heathkid> any other is sort of a "why?"
[6:17] <Ionic`> (i.e. rev 1, rev 2, rev a, rev b and stuff like that)
[6:17] <heathkid> and zero support *in my opinion*
[6:17] <Ionic`> hm?
[6:17] <Ionic`> well, only one of those revs has the chip you linux-people beg for
[6:18] <Ionic`> so it's kind of a roulette spin
[6:18] <heathkid> run embedded or you're on your own
[6:18] <Ionic`> ?
[6:18] <heathkid> and it doesn't work right (again... my opinion... I'm not going to bash anyone)
[6:18] <heathkid> but they don't work
[6:19] <Ionic`> what?
[6:19] <Ionic`> I'm lost here
[6:19] <Ionic`> maicod: neat, memtester compiled fine for me on the rpi
[6:20] <heathkid> that's because you spent $30 on a board that does what it should when a couple years ago I spent thou$ands on stuff that did *not* and couldn't get support...
[6:20] <Ionic`> it's not a bootable image and you can't test memory that is currently allocated but maybe stripping down on active processes/services and running memtester will help you?
[6:20] <heathkid> although with the pi... the lack of ADC is a pain
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[6:21] <Gorroth> ziltro: did you buy it from Allied Electronics? I'm in the USA.
[6:21] <Ionic`> heathkid: I spend $30 on this board to do two things... first, play audio, secondly, compile LibreOffice
[6:21] <Ionic`> *spent
[6:21] <heathkid> but I've been using an awesome four channel 18-bit ADC with my Teensy's and they are awesome!
[6:21] <Ionic`> and the first goal seems to have already been defeated
[6:21] <Ionic`> unless I get some crappy USB sound card that is...
[6:21] <heathkid> so add another $24 and you've got the best of the best
[6:22] <Ionic`> well dunno
[6:22] <heathkid> and that's getting the SMT chip on a custom DIP board with machine pins
[6:22] <Ionic`> gotta check with outdated software later
[6:22] <Gorroth> i bought the rpi solely to play DOOM
[6:22] <Gorroth> j/k
[6:22] <Ionic`> maicod: ping? :p
[6:23] <Ionic`> Gorroth: perfectly legit application
[6:23] <Ionic`> also, porn
[6:23] <Gorroth> i like porn on my desktop
[6:23] <Gorroth> dual 30" monitors
[6:23] <Xark> heathkid: Which ADC type are you using on the Teensy?
[6:23] <heathkid> what ever happened to ROTT?
[6:23] <heathkid> Xark: hold on a sec... let me find the link...
[6:24] <heathkid> MCP3424 18-Bit ADC
[6:25] <maicod> ionic: I was writing a email to RS :)
[6:25] <Ionic`> ah
[6:25] <Xark> heathkid: Nice, thanks.
[6:25] <Ionic`> well if you want to try memtester give me a heads up
[6:25] <maicod> ionic: cool that you've compiled it
[6:25] <heathkid> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MCP3424EV/MCP3424EV-ND/1999511
[6:25] <heathkid> get the four channel
[6:25] <maicod> so I can try to boot from a fresh image and copy your memtester onto it and run it?
[6:26] <heathkid> here... http://www.proto-advantage.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=2200003
[6:26] <Ionic`> maicod: www.ionic.de/memtester-armv6hardfp
[6:26] <heathkid> they will source the chip from digikey, solder it to a DIP adapter, and install machine pins for you!
[6:26] <Ionic`> maicod: I recommend archlinux because it's small doesn't start unnecessary crap
[6:26] <heathkid> proto-advantage is *awesome*!
[6:27] <Ionic`> thus more memory will be unused
[6:27] <heathkid> they even do BGA to DIP!
[6:27] <Xark> heathkid: I see. Thanks. I hadn't heard of this site (but I have plenty of proto adapters and breakouts). :)
[6:27] <maicod> ionic: oh yeah. i've never used anything other than the debian image fro pi foundation. where can I get the arch linux image ?
[6:27] <maicod> fro=from
[6:27] <Ionic`> maicod: on the raspi website :p
[6:27] <maicod> oh lemme see
[6:28] <Ionic`> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/download.php?file=/images/archlinuxarm/archlinuxarm-13-06-2012/archlinuxarm-13-06-2012.zip
[6:28] <heathkid> Xark: once you try them... lol... you're going to go NUTS!
[6:28] <maicod> I see it :)
[6:28] <maicod> thanks ionic
[6:28] <heathkid> and that ADC is absolutely incredible!
[6:28] <maicod> it was on the same page as the debian one hehehe
[6:28] <Ionic`> you're welcome
[6:29] <Xark> heathkid: Does sound pretty handy. :)
[6:29] <Ionic`> you won't get a GUI though
[6:29] <heathkid> it is
[6:29] <Ionic`> but ssh is really enough
[6:29] <maicod> ionic: can I d/l your file on my windows box and copy it to the /boot partition (its probably small)
[6:29] <Ionic`> sure
[6:29] <maicod> the memtest file
[6:29] <Ionic`> 15kb
[6:29] <maicod> okay the /boot is easier since its fat32 :)
[6:30] <maicod> and its in /boot when linux is booted huh
[6:30] <Ionic`> "easier"?
[6:30] <maicod> mounted to that
[6:30] <heathkid> what do you think is the first thing I'm adding to my pi? yep... the four channel 18-bit ADC
[6:30] <Ionic`> yeah, sure
[6:30] <maicod> well I can't access ext4 from windows :)
[6:30] <Ionic`> but it really doesn't matter where you put it
[6:30] <Ionic`> ah
[6:30] <Ionic`> I see, ok
[6:30] <maicod> :)
[6:30] <maicod> arch is d/ling
[6:31] <heathkid> or should I say pi's... I seem to have ordered more than I need
[6:31] <Ionic`> invoke it by using /boot/memtester xM
[6:31] <heathkid> didn't think they'd catch up and ship so fast
[6:31] <Ionic`> with x == the 120 - $VALUE_REPORTED_BY_free -m_FOR_USED
[6:32] <heathkid> add the ADC and it'll do more than the beagle-bone
[6:32] <Ionic`> i.e. my system has currently 38M in use, so I could test about 80MB RAM
[6:33] <Ionic`> (which is to say... leave a little bit of space, just in case
[6:33] <Ionic`> oh, and testing will be slow
[6:33] <Ionic`> i'll do one iteration with 80M
[6:33] <Ionic`> let's see how long this takes
[6:34] <heathkid> I just wish a few things were different... especially the power connector! That should have been a console port too...
[6:34] <heathkid> why micro-USB and then stick a HUGE SD card on it?
[6:35] <heathkid> cost?
[6:35] <Ionic`> I also wonder why the guys went for SD card andn ot microSD
[6:35] <heathkid> no kidding
[6:35] <maicod> Ionic: writing the arch image to the SD
[6:35] <Ionic`> maicod: :) make sure you got my explaination right
[6:36] <maicod> did I miss something ?
[6:36] <maicod> I was afk
[6:36] <Ionic`> right up there
[6:36] <maicod> ok
[6:36] <Xark> heathkid: Micro-USB = standard power connector. If it had comms on power port, you would need a funky kludge (and GPIO is easy to interface for TTY serial - I just used my standard FTDI cable).
[6:36] <Ionic`> invocation
[6:37] <heathkid> should have used a mini-USB and interfaced it to a console port...
[6:37] <maicod> I see it now
[6:37] <heathkid> just my opinion
[6:37] <Ionic`> :)
[6:37] <maicod> ionic: will do that
[6:37] <Xark> heathkid: You mean with USB protocol? No thanks.
[6:37] <heathkid> Xark: it does work
[6:37] <PhotoJim> consoles should be standard serial ports. much more reliable. :)
[6:37] <Ionic`> maicod: best I can do, sorry
[6:37] <Xark> heathkid: It is a pain to use USB vs TTY serial (not to mention needing a ton of software to run it).
[6:38] <Ionic`> unless someone wants to port memtest86+ to raspi
[6:38] <maicod> heheh yeah
[6:38] <Xark> heathkid: You have a couple of fine USB ports if that is what you want. :)
[6:38] <heathkid> I know... but no thanks...
[6:38] <Ionic`> btw, the raspi gets pretty hot
[6:38] <PhotoJim> you could make a serial port on the GPIO header, but it might need a lot of CPU bit-banging.
[6:38] <heathkid> I just think using a micro-USB port for power only is a waste
[6:39] <Xark> heathkid: TTY serial is an excellent addition for low-level work.
[6:39] <Ionic`> I wonder if high cpu and memory load for a prolonged amount of time would damage it
[6:41] <GriffenJBS> Raspi get hot? I've never been able to not hold it, it gets hot, but still touchable
[6:41] <maicod> mine gets warm but not HOT
[6:41] <Ionic`> heh
[6:41] <GriffenJBS> dish water is much hotter
[6:41] <Ionic`> the hdmi port and cpu are pretty warm
[6:41] <Ionic`> ok, that may be true
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[6:42] <Ionic`> then again, dish water is hotter than the TPD of most CPUs nowadays
[6:42] <Ionic`> *TDP
[6:42] <maicod> ionic: can the binary of memtest be mangles by windows downloading and storing on windows hdd ?
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[6:42] <GriffenJBS> if you can hold your finger to a chip it's ok, 50C-75C is rather warm-hot
[6:42] <maicod> I mean can it add zeros or such
[6:43] <maicod> mangled
[6:43] <maicod> damn
[6:43] <Xark> Ionic`: I did a 48+ hour stress test at 100% CPU and 100% GPU load and it did fine. Didn't even get all that hot (I forget exactly, but something like 46C on CPU/GPU).
[6:43] <maicod> sometimes txt files are 'windowsed' like that :)
[6:43] <Ionic`> maicod: uhm no
[6:43] <Ionic`> but you're free to check the md5sum...
[6:43] <maicod> oh you made one?
[6:43] <Ionic`> e46ec949998b043d9d3bfc901d705a6b
[6:43] <maicod> thanks
[6:44] <Ionic`> just did
[6:44] <maicod> I will do that :)
[6:44] <maicod> heheheeh
[6:44] <maicod> E46EC949998B043D9D3BFC901D705A6B
[6:44] <maicod> it said :)
[6:44] <Ionic`> matches
[6:44] <maicod> yea
[6:44] <maicod> cool
[6:44] <Ionic`> you may wanna check on the rpi too but it really shouldn't get corrupted
[6:45] <Ionic`> unless your rpi is corrupting it somehow
[6:45] <heathkid> now that's the second time I've heard that
[6:45] <maicod> no its alright
[6:45] <maicod> its just that it wasnt zipped up so I was affraid downloading it would alter the data
[6:45] <Ionic`> nah
[6:46] <Ionic`> this is not FTP :p
[6:46] <maicod> but md5 is fine :)
[6:46] <Ionic`> FTP + ascii mode is bad for binaries
[6:46] <maicod> its copied to /boot of the arch on my SD card
[6:47] <maicod> with x == the 120 - $VALUE_REPORTED_BY_free -m_FOR_USED
[6:47] <maicod> <heathkid> add the ADC and it'll do more than the beagle-bone
[6:47] <maicod> sorry
[6:47] <maicod> I wanted to paste part of it :)
[6:47] <Ionic`> heh
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[6:47] <maicod> so I need to find out my free mem?
[6:47] <Ionic`> free -m
[6:47] <maicod> and fill it before the M ?
[6:47] <haroldp> hullo
[6:47] <maicod> instead of x
[6:48] <Ionic`> 120 - the "used" value in free -m
[6:48] <maicod> ah free -m :)
[6:48] <Ionic`> and maybe substract one or two mb
[6:48] <maicod> I'll boot the arch first
[6:48] <maicod> OK
[6:48] <Ionic`> sure
[6:48] <maicod> I need to run to the living room to test it
[6:48] <maicod> brb
[6:50] <maicod> whats the login?
[6:50] <Ionic`> root
[6:50] <Ionic`> root
[6:50] <maicod> ok :)
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[6:50] <Ionic`> ah tehre we go
[6:51] <Ionic`> one iteration == 10 minutes for 80M
[6:51] <Ionic`> pretty slow
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[6:51] <youlysses> So evidently I ordered a rasberry pi awhile back, because I just got one in the mail today! Totaly forgot about it. Where can I pick up a cheap power cable for it, and maybe a case?
[6:51] <maicod> stuck address.....
[6:51] <maicod> its testing :)
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[6:52] <Ionic`> nice
[6:52] <maicod> it said 190 MB free
[6:52] <maicod> I did 188M
[6:52] <Ionic`> wut?
[6:52] <Ionic`> doesn't the raspi only have 120MB?
[6:52] <maicod> it said 25 MB used
[6:52] <Ionic`> uhm
[6:52] <maicod> no 24
[6:52] <maicod> 256
[6:52] <Ionic`> wait no
[6:52] <Ionic`> 256
[6:52] <Ionic`> but
[6:52] <Ionic`> why
[6:52] <Ionic`> is free -m reporting 120 for me?
[6:52] <Ionic`> interesting
[6:52] <maicod> no idea :)
[6:53] <Ionic`> where is half of my RAM?
[6:53] <maicod> it says 25 used but 256-25 is not 190 :)
[6:53] <maicod> kernel ?
[6:53] <maicod> kernel is the rest I guess
[6:53] <sirspazzolot> update is running on a computer across the room in screen. do I have to detach it there before I can attach it in ssh?
[6:53] <Ionic`> 3.1.9-32-ARCH+
[6:54] <Ionic`> your's should be 3.1.9-10-ARCH+
[6:54] <maicod> one iteration == 10 minutes for 80M then 188 is ehm ~ 30 minutes
[6:54] <maicod> then I'd need to alt-f3 or such but it would consume memory now
[6:55] <maicod> i'd better leave it alone huh :)
[6:55] <Ionic`> hehe
[6:55] <Ionic`> yeah, leave it
[6:55] <Ionic`> it'll test until you ctrl-c it
[6:55] <maicod> you agree it would take about ~30 for one round ?
[6:55] <maicod> sure but 1 round is enough
[6:56] <Ionic`> 80 * 2 = 160 so something around 20-30 minutes yeah
[6:56] <maicod> if it doesnt fail its probably fine
[6:56] <maicod> OK :)
[6:56] <maicod> ill check brb
[6:56] <Ionic`> well, better let it run 10 loops or so
[6:56] <Ionic`> if it doesn't fail the interesting question is: why does it corrupt the SD card?
[6:56] <maicod> block sequential : 20
[6:57] <maicod> sure it is !
[6:57] <maicod> but maybe RS can find it out
[6:57] <maicod> I will then email them
[6:57] <Ionic`> ok
[6:57] <Ionic`> block sequential already?!
[6:57] <maicod> yea
[6:57] <Ionic`> wtf
[6:58] <maicod> the others said OK
[6:58] <Ionic`> why is your RAM so much faster than mine?
[6:58] <maicod> I did memtest 188M
[6:58] <maicod> its from Hynix
[6:58] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:58] <maicod> is yours ?
[6:58] <Ionic`> hynix?
[6:58] <maicod> my other Pi is Samsung memory
[6:58] <maicod> you can see the memory brand cause its the top layer of the SOC
[6:59] <maicod> its printed on the outside of the chip
[6:59] <Ionic`> oh
[6:59] <maicod> you can't see the cpu nr etc.
[6:59] <maicod> its underneath the memory
[6:59] <maicod> its sandwiched
[6:59] <maicod> what mem does yours say?
[7:00] <maicod> the one I got from RS is hynix
[7:00] <maicod> the Farnell one is Samsung
[7:00] <Ionic`> samsung cpu
[7:00] <maicod> hehe its not the cpu
[7:00] <maicod> its only the memory
[7:01] <Ionic`> sure?
[7:01] <maicod> as I said the cpu is UNDER it
[7:01] <maicod> yea
[7:01] <maicod> sure
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[7:01] <Ionic`> oh
[7:01] <maicod> its not visible and its pr0obably not got its own outer casing
[7:01] <Ionic`> interesting
[7:01] <Ionic`> yeah
[7:01] <maicod> its all inside the plastic where the memory is the top most one
[7:01] <Ionic`> I've just found this
[7:01] <Ionic`> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3//viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5753
[7:01] <Ionic`> disabling graphics card memory... now
[7:02] <maicod> huh
[7:02] <maicod> how ?
[7:02] <Ionic`> well or giving the graphics card much less memory
[7:02] <maicod> but mine didnt steal the GPU memory :)
[7:02] <Ionic`> see the link
[7:02] <maicod> ok
[7:02] <Ionic`> I wonder why
[7:02] <Ionic`> mine did
[7:02] <maicod> weird
[7:03] <maicod> ah yeah just alter good old config.txt :)
[7:03] <Ionic`> my /boot/start.elf is the same file as /boot/arm128_start.elf
[7:03] <Ionic`> oh
[7:03] <maicod> ohno arch uses another means
[7:03] <Ionic`> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt let's see
[7:03] <Ionic`> which one?
[7:04] <maicod> how many blocks will it reach ?
[7:04] <maicod> its at 205
[7:05] <Ionic`> dunno, seems to depend on the amount of locked memory
[7:05] <maicod> no sorry I was wrong. I thought it was a parameter in config.txt but arch doesnt use that
[7:05] <maicod> it said wanted 188 and got 188
[7:06] <Ionic`> rebooting with /boot/arm224_start.elf -> /boot/start.elf
[7:06] <maicod> so far it doesnt give failed memory
[7:06] <maicod> cool
[7:06] <Ionic`> what does free -m say?
[7:06] <Ionic`> meh
[7:06] <Ionic`> you probably haven't checked
[7:06] <maicod> when?
[7:06] <Ionic`> before starting memtester
[7:06] <maicod> I did before starting memtest
[7:06] <maicod> I did :)
[7:06] <Ionic`> it may still be on the screen
[7:06] <maicod> 190 I said
[7:06] <Ionic`> oh
[7:06] <Ionic`> right, hmm
[7:07] <Ionic`> weird
[7:07] <maicod> <maicod> it said 190 MB free
[7:07] <maicod> <maicod> I did 188M
[7:07] <Ionic`> yeah, I remember
[7:07] <maicod> hehe
[7:07] <Ionic`> still don't understand why you have 190M free and I just had 120
[7:07] <maicod> and now ?
[7:07] <Ionic`> unless you renamed arm192_start.elf too start.elf
[7:07] <maicod> maybe since yours is samsung memory
[7:08] <maicod> nope
[7:08] <maicod> didnt do that
[7:08] <Ionic`> because arch's default start.elf is the arm128_start.elf image
[7:08] <Ionic`> so... weird
[7:08] <maicod> rookies don't do that :)
[7:08] <Ionic`> total used free shared buffers cached
[7:08] <Ionic`> Mem: 215 35 180 0 6 17
[7:08] <Ionic`> 215M total with arm224_start.elf
[7:08] <maicod> ehm 35 free ?
[7:08] <Ionic`> nope
[7:09] <Ionic`> 35 + 180 + 6 + 17 free
[7:09] <Ionic`> hm, no
[7:09] <Ionic`> arr
[7:09] <Ionic`> 180M free
[7:09] <Ionic`> 32 used
[7:09] <Ionic`> but actually 180 + 6 + 17 free
[7:09] <maicod> OK well its more like mine now
[7:10] <Ionic`> as buffer and cache are deleted once some application requests more memory
[7:10] <maicod> maybe my samsung pi also needs the change of the .elf file
[7:10] <Ionic`> I'd be interested to see how the samsung pi behaves
[7:10] <maicod> does arch have a packet manager too?
[7:10] <Ionic`> yeah, it's called pacman
[7:10] <maicod> oh OK
[7:10] <maicod> is arch a good solid and 'easy' linux ?
[7:11] <Ionic`> I've only used it on the rpi so far but I liked it OK
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[7:11] <maicod> OK
[7:11] <Ionic`> still prefer gentoo but I can't use that until my USB HDD case comes :p
[7:11] <maicod> I used to use redhat ;P
[7:11] <Ionic`> I was thin
[7:11] <maicod> then fedora
[7:11] <Ionic`> ARGH
[7:11] <Ionic`> RPM
[7:11] <Ionic`> no thanks!
[7:11] <maicod> hehe
[7:11] <maicod> fedora has yum
[7:12] <maicod> yum instal......
[7:12] <Ionic`> I started using Linux with SuSE 10 years ago or so
[7:12] <maicod> yum install......
[7:12] <maicod> OK
[7:12] <youlysses> Um, is there a button and/or switch to turn it on ...
[7:12] <Ionic`> from that day on, I've hated rpm
[7:12] <youlysses> It's plugged in.
[7:12] <maicod> well I know rpm -Uvh ....
[7:12] <Ionic`> youlysses: no :)
[7:12] <maicod> rpm -qa
[7:12] <maicod> etc.
[7:12] <Ionic`> maicod: yum is just a front-end for rpm
[7:12] <maicod> oh okay
[7:12] <Ionic`> like apt-get for dpkg
[7:13] <maicod> what is there so bad about rpm with the yum frontend ?
[7:13] <Ionic`> just don't like it, personal preference :p
[7:13] <youlysses> Ionic`: Is there an indicator light? I have it also plugged into hdmi and nothing.
[7:13] <maicod> ok
[7:13] <maicod> gonna check if its finished
[7:13] <Ionic`> youlysses: power should turn red once it gets current
[7:14] <maicod> bit-flip: 45
[7:14] <Ionic`> youlysses: are you sure your power supply is alright?
[7:14] <Ionic`> bit flip is the last thing
[7:14] <maicod> OK
[7:14] <Ionic`> echo $(180+6+17)
[7:14] <maicod> I think the counter goes to say 300
[7:14] <Ionic`> argh
[7:14] <maicod> I can estimate that a bit
[7:14] <maicod> cause earlier it was on 205 with the other check
[7:15] <Ionic`> want 200MB (209715200 bytes)
[7:15] <Ionic`> got 193MB (203272192 bytes), trying mlock ...locked.
[7:15] <Ionic`> hehe
[7:15] <maicod> LOL
[7:15] <Ionic`> didn't get all the 200M
[7:15] <maicod> 193 is cool
[7:15] <maicod> maybe otherwise bash crashes
[7:15] <Ionic`> stuck address... 7
[7:15] <Ionic`> pretty slow here
[7:15] <maicod> the shell needs mem too :)
[7:15] <maicod> exandable mem
[7:15] <Ionic`> 12
[7:16] <maicod> you gonna count like that in here all the time ? LOL
[7:16] <Ionic`> oh
[7:16] <Ionic`> stuck address done
[7:16] <maicod> hehe
[7:16] <Ionic`> after 13 or so
[7:16] <GriffenJBS> youlysses: did you get it working?
[7:16] <Ionic`> so it really depends on the testing method
[7:16] <maicod> ok
[7:16] <Ionic`> GriffenJBS: seems like his device doesn't power on(?)
[7:16] <maicod> so the bit flip can go to like 1000 :)
[7:17] <Ionic`> maybe
[7:17] <Ionic`> solid bits
[7:17] <maicod> damn its hot in here
[7:17] <maicod> even at 7 am
[7:17] <maicod> your in germany?
[7:17] <Ionic`> yeah
[7:17] <maicod> <NL
[7:17] <Ionic`> yeah :p
[7:17] <maicod> :)
[7:17] <GriffenJBS> Michelle Jenneke
[7:17] <Ionic`> 16??C
[7:17] <GriffenJBS> opps, nvm
[7:17] <maicod> whos that :)
[7:17] <Ionic`> GriffenJBS: girl or guy?
[7:17] <Ionic`> if former: pics
[7:17] <maicod> hahah
[7:17] <GriffenJBS> who? you don't know?
[7:17] <youlysses> GriffenJBS: I plugged and repluged my sd card, and the light came on. But I saw nothing to the equivant of bios though hdmi, should I have?
[7:17] <Ionic`> nope
[7:18] <GriffenJBS> google her, find the video
[7:18] <GriffenJBS> youlysses: did you see a rectangle of color?
[7:18] <Ionic`> wtf
[7:18] <youlysses> GriffenJBS: Where, on screen, or the board?
[7:18] <GriffenJBS> on the HDMI screen
[7:18] <Ionic`> how old is she?
[7:19] <maicod> i saw that the first time with arch linux :)
[7:19] <GriffenJBS> 19
[7:19] <maicod> omg :)
[7:19] <Ionic`> hm
[7:19] <youlysses> GriffenJBS: Nope. I'm assuming I'd need a SD card with an OS on it though... :-P
[7:19] <maicod> she's cool
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[7:19] <maicod> LOL
[7:20] <GriffenJBS> youlysses: yeah, with nothing on the SD, you'll get no output
[7:20] <Jungle-Boogie> i think shes better known for the 6 minute clip of her dancing than she is of the race
[7:20] <maicod> griffen: cause it has no bios huh :)
[7:20] <maicod> bios is on /boot
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[7:20] <GriffenJBS> maicod: watch her run, she's so happy, then fierce, than smiles again, awesome looking
[7:20] <maicod> I only see pics in google images
[7:21] <GriffenJBS> maicod: it doesn't have a bios, in the PC sense
[7:21] <Jungle-Boogie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm7oX1yCFU0
[7:21] <maicod> she's german?
[7:21] <maicod> tack
[7:21] <GriffenJBS> Australian
[7:21] <maicod> I see now :)
[7:21] <youlysses> GriffenJBS: Well it has an old install image on it, but I wasn't expecting that to do anyting.
[7:21] <Ionic`> well, not that hot anyway
[7:21] <GriffenJBS> youlysses: if it doesn't have a pi image, with the boot files, it's rather useless
[7:22] <maicod> LOL she's got strong legs :)
[7:22] <GriffenJBS> Ionic`: ..? who do you prefer?
[7:22] <Ionic`> block sequential 49
[7:22] <Ionic`> GriffenJBS: dunno
[7:22] <youlysses> GriffenJBS: Do I need to get the offical-image, or are there other more "minimal" systems.
[7:22] * youlysses doesn't want a gui.
[7:22] <maicod> you don't need to load it :)
[7:22] <Ionic`> youlysses: arch
[7:23] <maicod> doesnt arch have X ???
[7:23] <maicod> :)
[7:23] <GriffenJBS> ..? xmbc is the only with a defaul gui right?
[7:23] <Ionic`> it's not started automatically
[7:23] <Jungle-Boogie> not unless you install
[7:23] <maicod> ionic: oh thought it wasnt there ;)
[7:23] <Ionic`> and probably not installed by default either
[7:23] <GriffenJBS> I'd recommend rasbian
[7:23] <maicod> oh
[7:23] <youlysses> Ionic`: Can you get the regular image, or does it have to be modified?
[7:24] <GriffenJBS> youlysses: just write it to a blank SD
[7:24] <Ionic`> youlysses: huh?
[7:24] <Ionic`> modified?
[7:24] <Ionic`> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads there's an official image here
[7:24] <GriffenJBS> it'll ask if you want X to start, the first time you run it, just say no, and it never will
[7:24] <maicod> on windows download windiskimager
[7:25] <youlysses> GriffenJBS: Rasbian?
[7:25] <youlysses> Ionic`: Like is there anyting special I'd need to get, or would the offical arch(arm) work automatically.
[7:25] <maicod> griffen: my debian doesnt ask for X to start
[7:25] <GriffenJBS> yeah
[7:25] <GriffenJBS> maicod: part of the raspbian setup scripts
[7:25] <Ionic`> youlysses: well you'll always need special raspi images, because the official distro images don't ship the raspi firmware
[7:25] <maicod> oh I've seen it rebooting but never paid attention what it asks in the first run :)
[7:26] <GriffenJBS> first time it runs, it pops up a menu to resize to fit the SD, change locale/keyboard, start X on startup, etc
[7:26] <Ionic`> anyway, the image from raspberrypi.org is fine
[7:26] <maicod> michelle came last :(
[7:26] <Ionic`> a little bit outdated but updating is no problem
[7:26] <youlysses> GriffenJBS: Thanks alot for the info, I'll check it out.
[7:27] <Ionic`> but yeah, raspbian is more user-friendly I guess
[7:27] <maicod> griffen: probably my debian image is too old for that
[7:27] <maicod> debian6-19-04-2012
[7:27] <youlysses> Also thank you all. I need to get to bed, but I'm pumped to play arountd abit tommorow!
[7:27] <maicod> this one
[7:27] <youlysses> Peace o/
[7:27] <Ionic`> then again, I'm someone using Gentoo on his raspi and compiling stuff natively
[7:27] * youlysses M-X sleep-mode
[7:27] <Ionic`> maicod: there's a difference between raspbian and debian
[7:28] <maicod> oh oops
[7:28] <maicod> I thought the debian is the 1st one they recommended
[7:28] <Ionic`> basically raspbian is modified especially for the raspi
[7:28] <maicod> as the 1st to try
[7:28] <maicod> ionic: its still doing other checks :(
[7:28] <Ionic`> nowadays they recommend raspbian if I see http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads correctly
[7:28] <maicod> 1st run
[7:28] <Ionic`> hehe, still here
[7:28] <maicod> aha OK
[7:29] <Ionic`> on block sequential180
[7:29] <Ionic`> yeah it takes quite some time
[7:29] <Ionic`> did it fail yet?
[7:29] <maicod> ionic: dunno what its at atm but its past 30 Min for sure :)
[7:29] <maicod> nope
[7:29] <Ionic`> I guess my 10 minutes estimate was wrong anyway
[7:29] <maicod> will it report failures at the moment it is encountering them?
[7:29] <Ionic`> I stopped it once or twice using Ctrl-Z
[7:29] <maicod> or at the end
[7:29] <maicod> OK
[7:30] <Ionic`> as soon as they occur IIRC
[7:30] <maicod> ctrl-z puts it on the BG right ?
[7:30] <Ionic`> and not print an "OK" for obvious reasons
[7:30] <Ionic`> yeah
[7:30] <Ionic`> but it also terminated "time"
[7:30] <maicod> fg makes it resume :)
[7:30] <Ionic`> (as I used time ./memtester 80)
[7:30] <maicod> oh well
[7:30] <maicod> it needs to finish no matter how long it takes
[7:30] <Ionic`> yeah, sorry
[7:30] <maicod> I let it run
[7:31] <Ionic`> just let it run
[7:31] <GriffenJBS> debian doesn't have floating point support, raspbian does, and a few other pi specific things
[7:31] <Ionic`> GriffenJBS: "wrong"
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[7:31] <Ionic`> it does have floating point support, but is not utilizing the floating point coprocessor
[7:31] <maicod> ionic: its finished with run 1 :)
[7:31] <maicod> no errors
[7:31] <Ionic`> i.e., it is using software float computation instead of using the hardware
[7:32] <Ionic`> maicod: ah, there you go... weird though
[7:32] <GriffenJBS> Ionic`: oh so I left out the word hardware
[7:32] <maicod> yeah
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[7:32] <maicod> ionic: shall I try the samsung Pi for you?
[7:32] <maicod> just to see what it does with the same arch linux
[7:32] <Ionic`> maicod: rather try to find out why you're seeing corruptions
[7:32] <maicod> free -m
[7:32] <Ionic`> but sure
[7:32] <Ionic`> try it
[7:32] <maicod> yeah but HOW :)
[7:32] <Ionic`> if I knew
[7:32] <maicod> LOL
[7:33] <Ionic`> RAM seems to be fine
[7:33] <Ionic`> at least from that 1 loop
[7:33] <maicod> maybe the cambridge guys know how to check it fully :)
[7:33] <maicod> its fine then I guess
[7:33] <Ionic`> GriffenJBS: I know what you wanted to say, but other people may get confused
[7:33] <Ionic`> maicod: then again we have some more hardware on the board which may fail so...
[7:33] <maicod> yeah like the io controller huh
[7:33] <maicod> the smaller chip
[7:34] <maicod> does it manage the SD port too?
[7:34] <Ionic`> don't know that, sorry
[7:34] <maicod> maybe the Pi guys have test software for all hardware of the Pi
[7:34] <Ionic`> would make sense though
[7:34] <maicod> yeah I HAVE heard it uses sd to USB
[7:34] <GriffenJBS> Ionic`: your right, I'm cool with it, no support is WAY different than hardware support
[7:35] <maicod> so I guess its the same controller as the 2 USB ports
[7:35] <Ionic`> maicod: probably, yeah
[7:35] <Ionic`> (which sucks... speed-wise)
[7:35] <maicod> yea
[7:35] <maicod> but it needed to stay cheap
[7:36] <Ionic`> but you get what you pay for, right? :P
[7:36] <GriffenJBS> ... ? the SD doesn't touch the USB, it's wired to the BCM
[7:36] <maicod> one thing I hate though is that they abandoned the metallic SD holder and used a cheaper plastic holder
[7:36] <maicod> BCM is ?
[7:36] <maicod> the chip?
[7:36] <Ionic`> yeah, the broadcom chip
[7:36] <Ionic`> maicod: wut?
[7:36] <Ionic`> I still have the metallic holder
[7:37] <GriffenJBS> yeah, just checked the schematic
[7:37] <maicod> oh I thought I heard/read it was connected over USB
[7:37] <Ionic`> or wait
[7:37] <maicod> ionic: the alpha version of the Pi has a metallic SD card holder that is more surrounding the whole card
[7:37] <Ionic`> ah, right
[7:37] <maicod> its easier to slide the SD card in without needing to turn the whole board over to check for alignment
[7:38] <Ionic`> the holder is plastic, the "spring" is metallic
[7:38] <maicod> lemme find the picture
[7:38] <Ionic`> whatever this spring is used for anyway
[7:38] <maicod> thanks for compiling the memtest Ionic !
[7:39] <maicod> it is a switch
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[7:39] <Ionic`> you're welcome
[7:39] <maicod> a rudimentary switch
[7:39] <Ionic`> a switch for? detecting whether a card is in there or not?!
[7:39] <maicod> it makes the SD slot 'turn on'
[7:39] <Ionic`> http://ionic.de/gfx//Realshots/Electronic/RasPi/RasPi%20-%20Scale.jpg
[7:39] <maicod> it presses metal to metal to close a circuit
[7:39] <Ionic`> lol yeah
[7:40] <maicod> didnt you notice ?
[7:40] <maicod> look closely
[7:40] <Ionic`> I did
[7:40] <maicod> OK :)
[7:40] <GriffenJBS> no voltage to the SD until that switch is closed
[7:40] <maicod> yea
[7:40] <Ionic`> ah
[7:40] <maicod> hehe
[7:40] <Ionic`> so that all contacts are inserted before the voltage is turned on
[7:40] <Ionic`> well that makes sense
[7:40] <GriffenJBS> if anyone is curious http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Raspberry-Pi-Schematics-R1.0.pdf
[7:40] <maicod> http://s1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/?action=view&current=Picture540.jpg
[7:41] <maicod> cool stuff griffen
[7:41] <maicod> griffen: are you a cambridge guy ?
[7:41] <maicod> one of the developers?
[7:42] <maicod> I need one who can explain why my Pi keeps messing up the filesystem off my SDcard
[7:42] <maicod> :)
[7:42] <maicod> ionic: see the metal holder?
[7:42] <Ionic`> maicod: yep
[7:42] <maicod> much sturdier
[7:43] <Ionic`> probably also more expensive
[7:43] <maicod> yeah
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[7:43] <maicod> ionic: so the memory is not broken now what ;)
[7:43] <Ionic`> if I knew
[7:44] <Ionic`> first, find out if it still happens?
[7:44] <maicod> ionic: the weirdest was that it wouldnt repair the corrupt filesys with one Pi and did with the other one
[7:44] <Ionic`> and maybe under what conditions?
[7:44] <maicod> thats hard :(
[7:44] <Ionic`> may be heat related or whatever
[7:44] <maicod> maybe
[7:44] <maicod> it lies on a plastic tupperware lid :)
[7:44] <Ionic`> are you using the same accessories on both rpis?
[7:44] <maicod> is that bad ?
[7:45] <maicod> EXACT
[7:45] <Ionic`> nah, mine lies on the antistatic bag it came with
[7:45] <maicod> I ripped all cables out and planted them in the other Pi :)
[7:45] <maicod> oh OK
[7:45] <maicod> mine jumps up cause the hdmi cable does that ;)
[7:45] <Ionic`> meh, yeah, it's lacking weight
[7:45] <maicod> :(
[7:46] <Wendo> There is a post in the forums from today about FAT file system corruption being fixed in the latest kernel/firmware that dropped today. No idea if it relates though
[7:46] <maicod> thanks wendo. it was on the main system partition and itx ext4
[7:46] <maicod> its
[7:46] <Ionic`> maicod: have you used both in the same way?
[7:46] <maicod> for instance '/root was gone '
[7:47] <maicod> the new one i've not used much yet
[7:47] <GriffenJBS> maicod: I'm not a "cambridge guy", sorry
[7:47] <Wendo> I know, but I'm thinking maybe whatever bug was fixed manifested 99% of the time as fat cirruption but could still cause ext corruption too... I didn't see any actual discussion about how exactly it was fixed
[7:47] <maicod> GriffenJBS: hehe no prob. you had the schematics and it made you appear like an inside guy :)
[7:48] <Ionic`> it could be both, hardware or software problem
[7:48] <maicod> wendo: I appreciate your info
[7:48] <maicod> yeah
[7:48] <Ionic`> thus... wanna upgrade arch?
[7:48] <Ionic`> pacman -Syu
[7:48] <Ionic`> (two times actually, you'll see why)
[7:48] <maicod> well I will go back to debian and try out other distros when I've settled more
[7:49] <Jungle-Boogie> Ionic`, http://www.mybiteofpi.com/guides.html
[7:49] <Ionic`> ok
[7:49] <Ionic`> Jungle-Boogie: hm? :)
[7:49] <Jungle-Boogie> useful article on installing arch
[7:49] <maicod> ionic: since i've been looking for a monitor with HDMI (for the Pi) and had a couple of times of corrupted filesys I've not managed to really really enjoy the Pi yet :(
[7:50] <Ionic`> Jungle-Boogie: heh, I know that
[7:50] <maicod> I couldnt use my Pi otherwise
[7:50] <maicod> on TV it looks awful :)
[7:50] <Ionic`> meh
[7:50] <maicod> composite
[7:50] <Jungle-Boogie> good job
[7:50] <maicod> my eyes hurt ;)
[7:51] <Ionic`> I'm a gentoo guy though really
[7:51] <maicod> ionic: my flat screen tv is not movable and I needed to sit on a makeshift table with my pi in front of that screen LOL
[7:52] <Ionic`> maicod: I don't even have a TV :p
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[7:52] <maicod> now I finally got a screen with HDMI that I can place on the table
[7:52] <Jungle-Boogie> Ionic`, will sabayon be ported to the pi?
[7:52] <maicod> hehehe
[7:52] <maicod> and you got a monitor with HDMI?
[7:52] <Ionic`> Jungle-Boogie: no idea
[7:52] <Ionic`> Jungle-Boogie: oh, guy as in user, really
[7:53] <Jungle-Boogie> gotcha, have you used the gentoo on the pi?
[7:53] <Ionic`> not yet
[7:53] <Ionic`> I forgot to order the USB HDD case...
[7:53] <Ionic`> And wondered for a week when it'll finally arrive
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[7:53] <GriffenJBS> maicod: I set up my pi, and now just ssh into it
[7:53] <Ionic`> just noticed today that, actually, I haven't even odered it
[7:53] <Ionic`> so it's probably coming tomorrow
[7:53] <maicod> griffen: i've done that too :)
[7:54] <maicod> I renamed the file in /boot so sshd gets started
[7:54] <Ionic`> Jungle-Boogie: you're probably interested in binary packages?
[7:54] <Ionic`> I'll be compiling myself
[7:55] <GriffenJBS> maicod: ..? does that work? most are set up to start the kernel, which starts sshd
[7:55] <Ionic`> kernel, init, sshd
[7:55] <maicod> griffen: in the debian img (when written to a SD) in /boot it has a file that you can rename to make sshd autostart
[7:55] <GriffenJBS> what Ionic` said, init could be skipped ... with some work
[7:56] <GriffenJBS> interesting, I haven't used the deb img, but O
[7:56] <GriffenJBS> I've mounted it and didn't notice that
[7:56] <Ionic`> hum
[7:57] <Ionic`> init can't be skipped, really
[7:57] <GriffenJBS> yes it can
[7:57] <Ionic`> unless you *only* want to start one process, that is sshd
[7:57] <Ionic`> but that sounds crazy
[7:57] <Jungle-Boogie> actually, i havent tried gentoo but i am happy to hear its out for the pi. thats real cool. are you going to post an image of your make, Ionic` ?
[7:57] <maicod> griffen: will try to find the file for ya :)
[7:58] <GriffenJBS> Ionic`: people who poke kernels and modules usually are, lol
[7:58] <Ionic`> Jungle-Boogie: uhm, not really, why? gentoo is not really "image-y"
[7:58] <maicod> damn how do I mount a .img on windows :)
[7:58] <Ionic`> GriffenJBS: I guess there is only few things I haven't poked around in my life *sigh*
[7:58] <GriffenJBS> no idea, rather simple in linux
[7:59] <Ionic`> And once I get LibreOffice compiled in the pi, natively, my all goals in my life is officially fulfilled
[7:59] <maicod> griffen: yeah I know :)
[7:59] <Jungle-Boogie> Ionic`, could you at least describe your compile?
[7:59] <Jungle-Boogie> once you make it
[8:00] <Ionic`> Jungle-Boogie: I sure could, but it'll really be the same as the Gentoo Handbook for ARM
[8:00] <Ionic`> well, with rpi firmware stuff
[8:00] <Jungle-Boogie> ture
[8:00] <Ionic`> actually, screw that
[8:00] <Ionic`> it's *exactly* the Gentoo Handbook for ARM
[8:00] <Ionic`> And even better
[8:00] <Jungle-Boogie> why do you want to have libre office run on the pi?
[8:01] <Ionic`> Jungle-Boogie: heh, "because I can"
[8:01] <Ionic`> because even GCC will probably take a week to compile :D
[8:01] <Jungle-Boogie> well more power to you!
[8:01] <stealth``> wouldn't it take days or weeks to build a system on a Pi using Gentoo? (if you're compiling everything) yes, I know it depends what you want installed, but...
[8:01] <Ionic`> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[8:01] <AlcariTheMad> Ionic`: distcc
[8:01] <AlcariTheMad> stealth``: distcc
[8:01] <Ionic`> AlcariTheMad: array of pi's?
[8:01] <AlcariTheMad> Ionic`: you can use VMs of them as well
[8:01] <Ionic`> stealth``: yes, it will
[8:02] <Ionic`> I won't cross-compile
[8:02] <Ionic`> I want this "compiling natively on this shitty 200MHz MIPS-feeling" back
[8:02] <maicod> GriffenJBS: I wrote it in a PM
[8:02] <Jungle-Boogie> what would be the bare minimum to run openvpn on on gentoo?
[8:03] <Ionic`> base system and openvpn, I guess
[8:03] <Ionic`> what does openvpn depend on? openssl and maybe system tools
[8:03] <Ionic`> maicod: oh neat, my memtester has finished one pass
[8:03] <Jungle-Boogie> yeah, sounds right
[8:04] <maicod> cool ionic
[8:04] <Ionic`> ah
[8:04] <maicod> so its sound :)
[8:04] <Ionic`> base-system, lzo, iptables, openssl
[8:04] <maicod> ionic: what is 'neat' ?
[8:04] <maicod> what did u refer too?
[8:04] <Ionic`> maicod: nice
[8:05] <maicod> I know but what remark of me did you say that to?
[8:05] <Ionic`> maicod: oh, none
[8:05] <maicod> OK :)
[8:05] <maicod> hehe
[8:05] <Ionic`> I just found it nice that my memtester finished his first loop pass
[8:05] <maicod> I said something to GriffenJBS :)
[8:05] <maicod> yeah it is !
[8:05] <Ionic`> meh, 8am
[8:06] <Ionic`> I've gotta stand up sometime between 3 and 4pm
[8:06] <maicod> im u/l ing some fotos to show ya
[8:06] <maicod> got a minute or 2 left ?
[8:06] <Ionic`> sure
[8:07] <maicod> school after 4 ?
[8:07] <maicod> :)
[8:07] <Ionic`> my weeds episode is paused half way anywho
[8:07] <Ionic`> pretty much
[8:07] <maicod> heh
[8:07] <Ionic`> will start learning at 9pm
[8:07] <Ionic`> with some guy
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[8:07] <Ionic`> well, if he decided to show up today
[8:07] <maicod> http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3536.jpg
[8:08] <maicod> http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3532.jpg
[8:08] <GriffenJBS> maicod: strange, that file still runs the kernel, init, etc
[8:08] <Ionic`> interesting
[8:08] <maicod> http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3530.jpg
[8:08] <maicod> http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3527.jpg
[8:08] <Ionic`> anyway your RAM isn't faster :D
[8:08] <maicod> hehe
[8:08] <maicod> oh :)
[8:08] <Ionic`> I just gave a broken estimate
[8:09] <maicod> my 2 Pi's :)
[8:09] <maicod> see the Samsung and Hynix memory ?
[8:09] <Ionic`> yeah
[8:09] <Ionic`> I didn't know there are different brands
[8:09] <maicod> LOL
[8:09] <Ionic`> did you boot up the other one?
[8:09] <maicod> yeah they use 2 memory suppliers
[8:09] <Ionic`> and looked at free -m?
[8:09] <maicod> nope
[8:09] <maicod> will do
[8:09] <maicod> brb
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[8:13] <maicod> same as the other Pi :)
[8:13] <maicod> 190 free
[8:13] <Ionic`> hm
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[8:13] <Ionic`> weird
[8:13] <maicod> weird
[8:13] <maicod> yea
[8:13] <maicod> did you download the arch image today?
[8:13] <Ionic`> *shrug*
[8:13] <Ionic`> nah
[8:13] <Ionic`> a week ago
[8:13] <maicod> aha thats probably it
[8:13] <Ionic`> but it was the same image
[8:13] <Ionic`> I don't think so
[8:13] <maicod> shall I md5 ?
[8:13] <Ionic`> sure
[8:14] <Ionic`> image or zip?
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[8:14] <maicod> F4C252CEDE902B8E11125B97D32B8F08
[8:14] <maicod> zip
[8:14] <maicod> or want the image?
[8:14] <Ionic`> f4c252cede902b8e11125b97d32b8f08
[8:14] <Ionic`> same file
[8:14] <maicod> OK :)
[8:15] <haroldp> so I installed the chromium browser from hexxeh. What's the best way to add it to the raspbian panel menu?
[8:15] <Ionic`> *shrug*
[8:15] <Ionic`> unsolved mystery
[8:15] <maicod> ionic: out of ideas then :)
[8:15] <maicod> yeah LOL
[8:16] <maicod> maybe samsung mem doesnt like german electricity :)
[8:16] <Ionic`> heh
[8:16] <maicod> LOL
[8:16] <Ionic`> I'd doubt that
[8:16] <maicod> ofc hehe
[8:16] <maicod> its just fun
[8:16] <Ionic`> well I don't care, got 220MB of RAM now
[8:16] <maicod> yea
[8:16] <Ionic`> by stripping the graphics card off memory
[8:17] <Ionic`> you could try...
[8:17] <maicod> ionic: I'm thinking the sdcard (sandisk class4 16GB) is maybe uncompatible
[8:17] <Ionic`> hmmm
[8:17] <Ionic`> wait
[8:17] <Ionic`> there is alist
[8:17] <maicod> BUT why did e2fsck on the 1st pi fail and succeed on the 2nd
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[8:17] <Ionic`> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[8:17] <Ionic`> let's see
[8:18] <Ionic`> 16GB class 4... 16GB SDHC Class 4 (SD4/16GB) listed as WORKING
[8:18] <maicod> i think i've checked and it was on that list but even sandisk cards are often from different suppliers etc
[8:18] <Ionic`> err
[8:18] <voidn> A friend of mine got the same one and it's working as well.
[8:18] <Ionic`> wait
[8:18] <Ionic`> that was kingston *facepalm*
[8:18] <voidn> Good morning, btw.
[8:18] <maicod> good morning
[8:19] <maicod> you in UK?
[8:19] <voidn> Germany.
[8:19] <maicod> ah also :)
[8:19] <maicod> Im in netherlands
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[8:19] <Ionic`> nope
[8:19] <Ionic`> the sandisk 16GB class4 is also listed as working
[8:19] <maicod> ionic: what I mean is that the label doesnt mean the insides are identical :(
[8:20] <maicod> its alot of rubbish with these brands
[8:20] <Ionic`> true
[8:20] <maicod> they multiple plants
[8:20] <maicod> they got multiple plants
[8:20] <Ionic`> do you have any other card to check?
[8:20] <maicod> yeah micro SD but the problem is the failure doesnt turn up immediately after starting to use iut
[8:20] <maicod> yeah micro SD but the problem is the failure doesnt turn up immediately after starting to use it
[8:21] <Ionic`> hmmm
[8:21] <maicod> but it sucks when suddenly the filesys is corrupted
[8:21] <maicod> I always use Halt
[8:21] <voidn> You got a card that's not booting up or what's the issue?
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[8:21] <Ionic`> voidn: it's getting corrupted
[8:21] <maicod> voidn: no my ext4 system partition gets corrupted
[8:21] <Ionic`> or the ext4fs is
[8:21] <Ionic`> and even fsck failed
[8:22] <Ionic`> though not with a second rpi
[8:22] <maicod> so I always neatly close my system before turning off the power
[8:22] <maicod> yeah right !
[8:22] <Ionic`> so maybe there's some hardware issue but who knows
[8:22] <voidn> Have you considered that the first Raspberry Pi might be broken?
[8:22] <maicod> thats the whole point indeed !
[8:22] <voidn> Surely sounds like it.
[8:22] <maicod> yeah
[8:22] <Ionic`> voidn: we're trying to figure out "what"
[8:22] <maicod> we tried a memtest and it went fine
[8:22] <voidn> There's not that many parts in the device. :-)
[8:22] <Ionic`> voidn: I've compiled memtester for rpi and had him check the RAM
[8:23] <voidn> FS corruption usually doesn't come from memory errors.
[8:23] <Ionic`> at least the part that was not in use by the graphics card/kernel/running applications
[8:23] <voidn> Except when it's going down hard
[8:23] <Ionic`> voidn: I've had cases like this
[8:23] <voidn> So I'd say it's something with the controller or the SD slot.
[8:23] <maicod> voidn: last time it happened my root directory was deleted
[8:23] <Ionic`> more file corruptions than fs (integrity) corruptions but it happens
[8:23] <maicod> yeah I think that too
[8:23] <voidn> Yeah but that would involve the storage not unmounting properly.
[8:24] <maicod> maybe the controller chip of the Pi ?
[8:24] <voidn> E.g. data not being properly flushed.
[8:24] <maicod> indeed
[8:24] <maicod> but I alwayts use halt
[8:24] <sheppard> yup
[8:24] <voidn> So there's an issue with flash memory like sds.
[8:24] <Ionic`> voidn: do you think RS will replace that, no questions asked?
[8:25] <voidn> Cheap flash memory always returns back "success" on flushes, regardless whether it really wrote the data or not.
[8:25] <Ionic`> (nqa cause it's difficult to reproduce)
[8:25] <voidn> To speed up things because they are so slow.
[8:25] <GriffenJBS> the controller chip is the same chip, controller, GPU, CPU, RAM, all in the middle
[8:25] <maicod> voidn: indeed :(
[8:25] <maicod> OK GriffenJBS
[8:25] <GriffenJBS> the "other" chip controls the USB hub and ethernet
[8:25] <voidn> Yeah. So it's basically the entire device.
[8:25] <maicod> but what is that other square chip for ?
[8:25] <maicod> oh
[8:25] <maicod> OK
[8:25] <voidn> Ionic`: I think so. When have you received it?
[8:25] <Ionic`> SMSC
[8:26] <GriffenJBS> maicod: do you have a volt meter?
[8:26] <Ionic`> voidn: direct the question to maicod please, I'm just helping him :)
[8:26] <voidn> Ah. Haha.
[8:26] <GriffenJBS> may be a power problem
[8:26] <Ionic`> GriffenJBS: I suppose not, as he used the same supply on the other rpi too
[8:26] <maicod> GriffenJBS: I have. I have a official power adapter sold along with my Pi
[8:26] <Ionic`> that's why I asked if he was using the same external hardware
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[8:27] <maicod> yeah exact same setup
[8:27] <GriffenJBS> Ionic`: the polyfuses differ, not by much, but that may be enough to matter
[8:27] <Ionic`> mh oh
[8:27] <voidn> That RasPi seems broken. Ask them for a new one, after all you got warranty. :-)
[8:27] <maicod> GriffenJBS: its 1A rated
[8:27] <voidn> That is unless you like to solder around on it yourself. Hehe.
[8:27] <GriffenJBS> if the TP1 & TP2 are 4.75V-5.25V he's good
[8:27] <maicod> hehehehe voidn
[8:27] <Ionic`> voidn: smd soldering? :/
[8:27] <maicod> wheres tp1 and tp2 ?
[8:28] <voidn> Ionic`: For shits n giggles!
[8:28] <Ionic`> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[8:28] <maicod> thanks
[8:28] <Ionic`> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems
[8:28] <Ionic`> actually, more like that
[8:29] <GriffenJBS> http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware#How_Can_I_tell_if_the_power_supply_is_inadequate.3F
[8:29] <maicod> will find my metre
[8:29] <Ionic`> let's see what my voltmeter says, just for lulz
[8:29] <GriffenJBS> mine is 4.97V
[8:30] <Ionic`> oh
[8:30] <Ionic`> it says "battery down, please recharge"
[8:30] <Ionic`> grrr...
[8:30] <voidn> Hahaha.
[8:30] <voidn> :-)
[8:30] <GriffenJBS> lol
[8:30] <maicod> LOL
[8:30] <maicod> sorry that I laugh
[8:30] <maicod> I dont laugh u out ;)
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[8:31] <maicod> bad english :)
[8:31] <GriffenJBS> great item to put a CAP in, like TV remotes, hit the charger for 5 sec before you use and it'll be good for the day
[8:31] <maicod> its dutch-english :)
[8:32] <maicod> ionic: 'auslachen' is the same as we use uitlachen and I meant I wasnt doing that :)
[8:32] <maicod> damn lazyness kicked in
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[8:32] <voidn> Actually, I was wondering if anyone could point me to any documentation concerning sound performance and how to improve it. I have cracking in the output on a regular basis and I thought that there might be something I can tweak in terms of drivers or software.
[8:33] <maicod> voidn: I had it too and it was on both hdmi and 3.5mm and I user also-utils
[8:33] <maicod> used
[8:33] <maicod> alsa-utils
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[8:33] <voidn> maicod: What did you do exactly to fix it?
[8:34] <maicod> I didnt :(
[8:34] <maicod> I just wanted to say I experienced the same
[8:34] <voidn> Ah. Alright. So I guess it's a known issue. :-)
[8:34] <maicod> it plays fine but sometimes you hear distorted 'bursts'
[8:35] <maicod> I think its a software issue with the alsa-utils
[8:35] <Ionic`> and now it says 4.93
[8:35] <voidn> A question about rpi-update: it was basically breaking the boot on the old debian image. Did anyone try it out yet with raspbian?
[8:35] <voidn> Or is it unneeded because fw-upgrades are now handled by apt-get?
[8:35] <maicod> ionic: I need to get my metre but I got lazy :)
[8:36] <Ionic`> hehe
[8:36] <Wendo> raspbian handles them with apt-get, or at least that is the intention, not sure if it's actually started happening yet though
[8:36] <maicod> so black on tip1 and red on tip2 or vv (doesnt matter metre just says - then)
[8:37] <voidn> Wendo: Thanks. I think I recalled something similar about the wheezy beta image.
[8:37] <Ionic`> ldoesn't matter
[8:37] <Ionic`> messed up though
[8:37] <Ionic`> the original battery still works and the meter is 5 years old or something along those lines
[8:38] <Ionic`> the rechargeable battery I put in one year ago is fully depleted, though it was charged before
[8:38] <maicod> ionic: 4.89 V
[8:38] <maicod> on the 2nd Pi
[8:38] <Ionic`> that's ok within limits
[8:38] <Ionic`> ah, second one
[8:38] <Ionic`> first one is more interesting :p
[8:39] <maicod> its booting
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[8:42] <maicod> 4.85-4.90v
[8:42] <maicod> good I guess
[8:43] <maicod> wb voidn
[8:43] <Ionic`> yeah
[8:43] <Ionic`> he didn't leave :p
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[8:44] <maicod> oh he changed host
[8:44] <maicod> whatever :)
[8:44] <voidn> Actually, I just received a hostname cloak. :-)
[8:44] <Ionic`> hmmm
[8:44] <maicod> I tried to see if voltage dropped when the sd card got accessed but it kept between 4.86-4.90
[8:45] <maicod> 4.85-4.90
[8:45] <Ionic`> meh
[8:45] <maicod> fancy :) I want one :)
[8:45] <voidn> So doesn't seem like a power issue to me in that regard.
[8:45] <Ionic`> well I wouldn't have expected power issues anyway
[8:45] <maicod> indeed
[8:45] <voidn> maicod: Register your nick with nickserv and ask politely in #freenode for one.
[8:45] <Ionic`> as the second rpi is working fine with the same power supply
[8:46] <maicod> voidn: its not really important don't worry. I don't get stalked :)
[8:46] <maicod> I am registered though
[8:46] <voidn> maicod: Better safe than sorry on IRC. :-)
[8:46] <maicod> we need to be here aint we ?
[8:46] <maicod> voidn: what can happen then?
[8:46] <voidn> I've been on IRC since 1995 and I've seen some weird shit going on.
[8:47] <maicod> I mean I thought we need to be registered for this channel
[8:47] <maicod> ayways for alot of chans on freenode its required
[8:49] <maicod> ionic: I will start using a different SD card and see if it helps. I will now signout (sleeptime hahaha. during the day LOL)
[8:49] <voidn> Indeed. But still I'd prefer not to give my hostname away so easily. :-)
[8:49] <Ionic`> sure
[8:49] <Ionic`> I'll go get some sleep too, in a few minutes... hopyfully
[8:49] <Ionic`> *hopefully
[8:49] <maicod> hehe
[8:49] <maicod> thanks for the help/chat ionic
[8:49] <maicod> seeya here later
[8:49] <Ionic`> you're welcome
[8:50] <maicod> seeya
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[8:50] <Ionic`> voidn: meh, what for
[8:50] <Ionic`> as if anyone cared
[8:53] <voidn> Well, probably no-one does. You are right about that. But then again, it only takes 2 seconds and a question to set it up.
[8:53] <Ionic`> I wouldn't ever want to cloak my host name :)
[8:53] <voidn> Oh well, enough meta-talk about IRC. :-P
[8:54] <voidn> It's just a matter of preference anyway.
[8:55] <Ionic`> but but but my opinion is the only correct one!
[8:55] <voidn> This is important! Someone is *WRONG* on the internet!
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[8:57] <Ionic`> :p
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[9:33] <voidn> Hm. Did anyone of you measure the max and min power draw of a Raspberry Pi? Like, how much Watt does an idle Raspberry Pi consume?
[9:34] <GriffenJBS> voidn: define idle
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[9:34] <GriffenJBS> after "sudo poweroff"? power usage used to be higher post shutdown than while running linux
[9:34] <voidn> Load average of 0.x
[9:35] <magnus_> voidn, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6050
[9:35] <voidn> With a booted linux.
[9:35] <voidn> magnus_: Splendid. Thanks!
[9:36] <Ionic`> GriffenJBS: seriously?
[9:36] <Ionic`> doesn't the CPU halt?
[9:36] <GriffenJBS> wow that post scared me, skimmed it, saw 12.5V ..!? WTF?!
[9:36] <GriffenJBS> Ionic`: it does now, older firmware was funny like that
[9:37] <Ionic`> oh
[9:38] <Ionic`> GriffenJBS: does it still scare you?
[9:39] <GriffenJBS> I read more, he's not using 120V/240V supply
[9:39] <Ionic`> yeah
[9:39] <Ionic`> a battery
[9:39] <Ionic`> with some 5V regulator it seems
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[9:57] <Ionic`> bed time
[9:57] <Ionic`> night
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[9:57] <fairuz> Anyone has rpi with K3.0 or newer running? :D
[9:58] <booyaa> k3?
[9:59] <voidn> Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.
[9:59] <voidn> What is K3? :D
[9:59] <fairuz> kernel 3.0
[9:59] <fairuz> :D
[9:59] <voidn> Linux coredump 3.1.9+ #168 PREEMPT Sat Jul 14 18:56:31 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[9:59] <voidn> I don't see the problem.
[10:00] <fairuz> I don't say I have problems :)
[10:00] <voidn> All distributions run with 3.1.x
[10:01] <voidn> Heh. True, you didn't.
[10:01] <fairuz> Oh last time I fired up my rpi, I think it's not even a k3.0 kernel, 2.6 something
[10:01] <fairuz> Just need some help. Is that kernel is compiled with ftrace? Just need someone to test something with ftrace for me.
[10:01] <booyaa> same as voidn
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[10:02] <voidn> What kind of distribution do you have on that?
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[10:03] <fairuz> Me? debian
[10:03] <booyaa> official debian based on raspbian
[10:03] <GriffenJBS> booyaa: isn't that backwards?
[10:04] <fairuz> :)
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[10:04] <reider59> it is byt we know what he means
[10:04] <reider59> *but
[10:04] <voidn> Does the old Debian image ship with 2.6? I forgot..
[10:05] <GriffenJBS> I seem to recall it does... not sure
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[10:05] <reider59> << just contemplating my breakout board, time to finish it today methinks
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[10:06] <voidn> Anyway, fairuz. The 3.1 kernel in the new images has ftrace enabled.
[10:06] <reider59> I got sidetracked yesterday when my Arduino LCD Shield arrived..... ;-)
[10:06] <booyaa> so when we get kids on this channel
[10:06] <booyaa> are we going to be this snarky?
[10:06] <booyaa> seems to me this will be as negative as cussing
[10:07] <GriffenJBS> Debian Squeeze was 2.6
[10:07] <GriffenJBS> cussing is a problem?
[10:07] <reider59> calm down lad, I`ve been the butt of it before and we all take a turn.
[10:07] <booyaa> ta old fellah
[10:08] <booyaa> i was getting my cecks in a twist
[10:08] <GriffenJBS> I'm not encouraging it, but nothing draws attention to bad habbits like telling kids "NO"
[10:08] <reider59> lol we all do, don`t worry
[10:08] <booyaa> ;)
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[10:09] <fairuz> voidn: Oh nice. Is this wheezy?
[10:13] <voidn> fairuz: Yeah. The Raspbian Image.
[10:13] <voidn> fairuz: I would encourage you to upgrade to that one.
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[10:13] <fairuz> voidn: Sure. Just not having time to reflash it yet.
[10:14] <fairuz> btw the reason why I'm asking is arm related and not debian related. I tried function_graph tracer on k3.0 and failed. But on k3.4 it works fine. So doing some detective work to see which kernel version it starts to work.
[10:15] <voidn> Oooh, you got 3.4 working yet?
[10:16] <voidn> Compiled yourself, I take it? :-)
[10:17] <fairuz> Nah not yet.
[10:17] <fairuz> Yup, kernel pays my salary btw. :D
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[10:31] <sgtpepper> Hi :D
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[10:39] <GriffenJBS> hello sgtpepper
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[10:39] <sgtpepper> hey GriffenJBS
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[10:44] <voidn> What the hell is Tykling doing?
[10:45] <reider59> He might have the delay problem when logging in
[10:47] <Mr_Sheesh> I turned off "rejoin on reconnect" and wrote a quick script to timer-based log me back in
[10:48] <reider59> I just out a 10 second delay in on XChat
[10:48] <reider59> *put
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[10:49] <reider59> set irc_join_delay 10
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[10:49] <M0TRN_th1> lol Tykling
[10:51] <M0TRN_th1> Tykling = little fat one in Danish
[10:51] <lupinedk> that expression i have not heard in Danish, maybe in some part of vestjylland maybe ;)
[10:51] <M0TRN_th1> well I've not heard it either but if it was a real word that's what it would mean ;)
[10:52] <lupinedk> sure
[10:52] <Dyskette> I have actually heard it.
[10:52] <Dyskette> But only in s??nderjylland
[10:52] <M0TRN_th1> yeah it has that sound to it
[10:52] <M0TRN_th1> probably German-inspired
[10:53] <Dyskette> Yeah
[10:55] <M0TRN_th1> whatever, it's funny ;)
[10:55] <M0TRN_th1> makes me think of the twins from Alice in Wonderland
[10:56] <M0TRN_th1> sorry Tykling ;)
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[11:01] <voidn> Hm. Does the firmware support booting without keyboard and monitor out of the box nowadays? I remember that this gave issues a while back.
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[11:03] <lupinedk> voidn works fine
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[11:04] <lupinedk> i have never tried connecting a keyboard or monitor on mine
[11:04] <lupinedk> (SSH enabled default in raspbian ;) )
[11:05] <M0TRN_th1> lupinedk, I plugged mine in without display, keyboard or mouse, and it didn't request DHCP after 5 minutes
[11:05] <lupinedk> mine did fine
[11:05] <M0TRN_th1> then I plugged all of those in and rebooted and it booted fine (to that raspi-config thing)
[11:05] <voidn> I guess you will need to run raspi-config first. :-)
[11:06] <M0TRN_th1> well mine did after that, dunno if it was just first boot taking longer than 5 mins for some reason.. as I didn't have the screen attached I'm not sure what it was doing
[11:06] <lupinedk> newer saw raspi-config on first start
[11:06] <M0TRN_th1> it was 2nd start technically ;)
[11:06] <lupinedk> just logged in with ssh and run it
[11:06] <M0TRN_th1> lupinedk, did you use that raspbian image downloaded from the website?
[11:07] <lupinedk> yup
[11:07] <M0TRN_th1> well me 2 but that's what happened on mine ;)
[11:07] <lupinedk> top - 11:05:25 up 2 days, 18:52, 1 user, load average: 0,12, 0,12, 0,13
[11:07] <M0TRN_th1> guessing you have top and nothing else running?
[11:08] <M0TRN_th1> load avg 0.12 with top running in an xterm and nothing else, is not very satisfactory imho
[11:08] <TheBrayn> can you boot the rpi from an usb-stick?
[11:08] <lupinedk> oh i run oscam, mumble-server, znc and a apache server
[11:08] <lupinedk> so yes something else is running
[11:09] <M0TRN_th1> they all should give 0 CPU when idle
[11:09] <lupinedk> and i did apt-get update just before the top command
[11:09] <lupinedk> they aint idling ;)
[11:09] <M0TRN_th1> ok ;)
[11:09] <M0TRN_th1> I had that result when running top in xterm though
[11:09] <M0TRN_th1> if X is not running it's a lot better
[11:09] <lupinedk> i do not use overlays
[11:10] <lupinedk> only ssh
[11:10] <M0TRN_th1> did you disable GPU RAM?
[11:10] <lupinedk> running it with a 224/32 split
[11:10] <voidn> Can you completely disable it?
[11:10] <lupinedk> have not switched to 240/16 yet
[11:11] <M0TRN_th1> voidn, I'd hope so since I plan to use one of my boards completely headless without any display attached
[11:11] <M0TRN_th1> in that case it seems a waste of precious ram
[11:11] <voidn> Indeed.
[11:11] <voidn> I plan to do the same thing.
[11:11] <lupinedk> M0TRN_th1 you can not disable it altogether
[11:12] <M0TRN_th1> that's silly
[11:12] <lupinedk> GPU is used at system boot and for som functions when running, even as headless
[11:12] <voidn> lupinedk: How can I set it to 240/16?
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[11:12] <M0TRN_th1> lupinedk, what functions is it used for when running?
[11:13] <lupinedk> rpi-update 240 i guess
[11:13] <lupinedk> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
[11:13] <lupinedk> see latest commit
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[11:14] <voidn> First I'd like to see a minimal image without X11 being put out. :-)
[11:14] <sam> can anyone run the svn client from their raspi? for some reason mine fails to get svn:// URLs (cannot create SASL context)
[11:14] <lupinedk> M0TRN_th1 dunno, just heard
[11:14] <M0TRN_th1> would be nice to figure that one out
[11:14] <M0TRN_th1> I'm sure there's a way, there's always a way ;)
[11:15] <lupinedk> From FAQ:
[11:15] <lupinedk> Is there a GPU binary?
[11:15] <lupinedk> Yes. The GPU binary also contains the first stage bootloader.
[11:16] <lupinedk> and that is not about to change i guess, as it is made that way by design
[11:17] <lupinedk> uh rocket launch in T-40 sec
[11:17] <booyaa> sams which distro?
[11:17] <booyaa> sam: ^^
[11:17] * booyaa thinks you might be missing the openssl package
[11:18] <booyaa> sasl's ssl/tls related?
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[11:19] <sam> booyaa: raspbian
[11:20] <sam> the SVN binary is linked with libssl, libgnutls and libneon-gnutls
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[11:25] <booyaa> sam: *shrug*
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[11:27] <sam> I'm gonna install random SASL modules to see what happens...
[11:28] <M0TRN_th1> according to various posts the RPI has got 2 uarts, but I can only see one in /dev
[11:29] <M0TRN_th1> how can I access the other one in Linux?
[11:30] <lupinedk> M0TRN_th1 http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12441&p=134174&hilit=uart0#p134174
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[11:32] <M0TRN_th1> hm?
[11:32] <M0TRN_th1> that seems to be about the hardware of it but what about Linux device?
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[11:50] <tcial> Is it possible to customise how much RAM the GPU/SYSTEM gets?
[11:51] <lupinedk> ye with the firmware splits
[11:52] <M0TRN_th1> it seems 240MB main ram is max
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[11:53] <M0TRN_th1> maybe stuff like SD-card controller and USB host is actually done as GPU firmware
[11:53] <M0TRN_th1> that would sort of make sense
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[12:10] <arquebus> anyone know how to install awesome on Raspbian?
[12:11] <SpeedEvil> M0TRN_th1: VEry unlikely.
[12:12] <Vibe> arquebus: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> M0TRN_th1: It's actual hardware - I vaguely recall someone finding the specific model of USB host core used.
[12:12] <SpeedEvil> usb host/device
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[12:13] <M0TRN_th1> SpeedEvil, device?
[12:13] <M0TRN_th1> I thought it was host-only
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> The silicon IP core, that is used to manage the USB ports.
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> It is host only on the Pi, because there is a hub connected to it.
[12:14] <SpeedEvil> The ethernet / hub chip
[12:14] <M0TRN_th1> ok
[12:15] <arquebus> Vibe: ok thanks, I dont see anything specific on awesome there, but I guess its in the last part where I choose software to install
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[12:15] <M0TRN_th1> SpeedEvil, just trying to figure out if there is any essential stuff the GPU does after booting the arm core
[12:15] * SpeedEvil wants a datasheet.
[12:15] <M0TRN_th1> because if not it would be worthwhile trying to figure a way to shut it down and claim the memory back
[12:16] <Ahmagahz> hallo :) nice to see there is a channel. my raspi is in the post!
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> The question arises if it's worth the effort for only 16M of RAM
[12:16] <M0TRN_th1> I'm surprised nobody's leaked a datasheet yet
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> It may be worthwhile putting the effort into other areas.
[12:16] <SpeedEvil> M0TRN_th1: Due to broadcoms policy, datasheets rarely leak.
[12:16] <M0TRN_th1> well, when you only have 240MB I'd say 16MB would be worth some effort
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> You only get them if you order >100K chips
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[12:17] <SpeedEvil> M0TRN_th1: Other areas - ramzswap, optimiesed swapping algorithms, ...
[12:17] <M0TRN_th1> swapping on SD card invariably sucks
[12:18] <SpeedEvil> It might not.
[12:18] <SpeedEvil> It swaps because many things try to swap fragmented.
[12:18] <SpeedEvil> If you never, ever fragment on write, it may get a lot better.
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> it sucks because
[12:20] <M0TRN_th1> no matter what if you swap a lot it's bad for the card. it has limited write cycles..
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> To a degree, yes.
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[12:20] <SpeedEvil> If you are swapping over a large area - say a gig - in a sequential manner, it wear levels quite effectively.
[12:21] <M0TRN_th1> but that's not how it swaps irl
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[12:30] <SpeedEvil> No reason why it couldn't.
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> Keep an internal map of where blocks are swapped. Write to an unfragmented area. If there are no unfragmented areas (blocks of 1M say), read the area with least swapped to it, and then rewrite to that area.
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[12:33] <M0TRN_th1> SpeedEvil, yes it could work, could also work to have the SD card remap it by itself
[12:34] <M0TRN_th1> by using the block free command
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[12:34] <SpeedEvil> There isn't one.
[12:34] <SpeedEvil> (for SDs)
[12:35] <SpeedEvil> Plus, the hardware blocks are of the order of 128K
[12:35] <SpeedEvil> You need to deal with this granularity properly. You can't free a single 4K page, and have it mean anything sane.
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[12:55] <humbolt> how is the status of gstreamer (hw accelerated) on raspi?
[12:56] <Ahmagahz> my raspi just came through the door!
[12:57] <booyaa> \o/
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[13:02] <Ahmagahz> *happydances*
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[13:03] <xarragon> Anyone from Sweden that knows approx. how long it takes from receiving the Element 14 invoice in your email until you have the pie in your hand?
[13:03] <Ahmagahz> I am unprepared :( my hdmi cable, memory card etc have not arrived yet. Doh. might have to make do with what i have. can i power over usb?
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[13:04] <Ahmagahz> that was unclear, I mean can i just hook in a regular usb-charger to power it?
[13:05] <booyaa> providfed it's got micro usb yes
[13:05] <booyaa> or do you maen into the 2 port usb?
[13:06] <Patteh> not certain power over usb will provide sufficient energy to run it optimally
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[13:07] <xarragon> Patteh: Something limits the current passing from the USB power leads to the CPU? Passes through some polyfuse etc?
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[13:08] <Ahmagahz> yah i meant the usb port for about 3 minutes, but hten i realised the power-inlet acutally *is* via usb.
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[13:08] <Patteh> by power over usb, i'm assuming he means plugging it into a computer
[13:08] <Ahmagahz> so basically any old usb charger with 5v out, and offering between say 700-1200 amps
[13:08] <Patteh> rather than usb plug soscket
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[13:08] <Patteh> yes Ahmagahz
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[13:22] <phire> I've just been using my laptop
[13:23] <phire> most computers don't have the polyfuses and are very capable of providing the required 700mA
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[13:34] <SpeedEvil> What's the fastest anyones SCP'd files from the Pi?
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> my phone is topping out at 500K/s or so.
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> It's on wifi though.
[13:35] <SpeedEvil> Hmm. I need to work out how to read CPUstatistics on it
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[13:48] <skiwithpete> hi
[13:49] <skiwithpete> I'm on Raspbian - what's a good webcam app? cheese is huge and wants to install nautilus and all sorts
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[13:51] <SpeedEvil> xawtv?
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> 'need to get 1M archives'
[13:51] <SpeedEvil> that's pleasantly small.
[13:54] <SpeedEvil> Also 'streamer' - part of xawtv - that is useful for grabbing pictures.
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[13:58] <skiwithpete> thanks SpeedEvil
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[13:58] <SpeedEvil> You will be dissapointed if you expect fullscreen video though
[13:58] <smikey> heyhey :)
[13:58] <xarragon> SpeedEvil: Hah, you're here too? I remember you from #microcontrollers, right?
[13:59] <Ahmagahz> rasbpian? does your mother know?
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> Probably not.
[13:59] <Ahmagahz> couldnt resist, sorry!
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> ##electronics
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> Also, perhaps ##maemo I vaguely seem to recall seeing you in
[14:00] <xarragon> SpeedEvil: No it was ##electronics, my bad.
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> k
[14:00] <xarragon> Btw, gstreamer is awesome for capturing video and setting up processing chains. I use it to cap video on my desktop computer. Not sure how it works on raspian though.
[14:02] <xarragon> http://www.oz9aec.net/index.php/gstreamer/345-a-weekend-with-gstreamer
[14:02] <xarragon> I plan on trying that out this weekend however, so I can report any succes or smoking failure by then.
[14:07] <sam> so far I'm a bit disappointed by the Pi's CPU
[14:08] <Civil|2> sam: why?
[14:09] <sam> well I'm not getting quite the same framerate as on Android devices
[14:09] <sam> I haven't profiled throughly though
[14:09] <Civil|2> sam: which android device?
[14:09] <hermanhermitage> via OpenGL ES?
[14:10] <hermanhermitage> if you are running X, rpi is slow due to other issues
[14:10] <sam> Civil|2: a Galaxy S3
[14:10] <Civil|2> sam: hah...
[14:10] <hermanhermitage> for now under X the graphics chip is essentially fast asleep, forcing the cpu to do all the work it shouldnt
[14:10] <sam> hermanhermitage: yes, GL code
[14:10] <hermanhermitage> ok, interesting
[14:11] <sam> but for some reason my executable seems to be capped at 50% CPU usage
[14:11] <hermanhermitage> same resolution?
[14:11] <muep> I'd guess at least the CPU is much more powerful in S3 than the Pi
[14:11] <hermanhermitage> you shouldnt be using any cpu unless something is strange
[14:11] <hermanhermitage> like a heavy procedural program
[14:11] <Civil|2> sam: rpi's arm core is more then 10 times slower then sgs 3's (cortex a9x4 vs arm11 x1 )
[14:12] <sam> Civil|2: ah then it shouldn't be a surprise
[14:12] <hermanhermitage> sam: how are you populating your streams/vertex buffers etc?
[14:12] <Civil|2> sam: rpi should be comparable to 2011 middle end android devices
[14:12] <sam> hermanhermitage: with floats if that's the question
[14:13] <hermanhermitage> kinda, static?
[14:13] <sam> hermanhermitage: oh, yes, the only thing I send per frame are a bunch of transform matrices etc.
[14:13] <hermanhermitage> ok should be no cpu
[14:13] <hermanhermitage> something strange is going on
[14:14] <hermanhermitage> and this is full screen GLES ala the /opt/vc stuff?
[14:14] <sam> still it's using exactly 50% of the CPU, but I don't know what it's doing
[14:14] <sam> hermanhermitage: yes
[14:14] <SpeedEvil> Is this inX?
[14:14] <hermanhermitage> nein
[14:14] <sam> the raspbian kernel wasn't built with perf support
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[14:15] <hermanhermitage> sam: what sort of frame rate... its still a fast (hardware) path?
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[14:15] <BlackBishop> any ideas about arm support for upek's eikon fingerprint readers !?
[14:15] <sam> hermanhermitage: I get 40ms frames, ie. about 25fps
[14:16] <hermanhermitage> sam: and what gpu/arm memory split? you may find if you have lots of geometry you need a healthy dose of ram for the geometry tiling
[14:16] <sam> hermanhermitage: so yes I assume it's hardware accelerated
[14:16] <sam> hermanhermitage: first time I hear about the memory split, I'll read about it
[14:16] <hermanhermitage> all i can think of is trying varying screen/target resolution and seeing if it scales with fragments rasterized, or vertices processed
[14:17] <hermanhermitage> sam: look at start.elf and the other splits
[14:17] <hermanhermitage> try using arm128_start.elf in its place
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[14:18] <sam> my start.elf is arm192_start.elf
[14:18] <sam> I'll try with 128 then
[14:18] <hermanhermitage> ok thats reasonable, see how you go
[14:18] <hermanhermitage> some tiling chips really slow down if they fill buckets/tiles
[14:18] <hermanhermitage> they go into a multi pass mode
[14:18] <hermanhermitage> and have to reload/save each tile every pass
[14:19] <sam> I could try lowering the resolution also (when I find out how to do it with that API)
[14:19] <hermanhermitage> otherwise if there is an integer mode for vertices etc try that
[14:22] <thrawed> 192 split is best for cli only
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[14:23] <BlackBishop> wish I could give less to the "gpu" :|
[14:23] <BlackBishop> since I have it headless 99% of the time and usually work remote ..
[14:24] <hermanhermitage> there is a new split
[14:24] <hermanhermitage> 240/16 i think
[14:25] <hermanhermitage> check github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/
[14:25] <hermanhermitage> arm240_start.elf
[14:26] <StMichel> what if one uses ssh with X forwarding: does it use raspi gpu then?
[14:26] <StMichel> I mean, the Pi is headless and one connects to it
[14:26] <BlackBishop> don't think so, the rendering should be done on the local X, right ?
[14:27] <[SLB]> right
[14:27] <StMichel> yes, that's what I thought, but I was not so sure about it
[14:27] <StMichel> so if I never use local monitor, that 240 split should be great
[14:29] <BlackBishop> hermanhermitage: I have that one, wish I could only give it 1M/less
[14:30] <BlackBishop> I don't need the "hdmi" resolutions, 80x24 cli is more than enough .. no need for framebuffers and stuff
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[14:32] <hermanhermitage> blackbishop: gotcha
[14:33] <BlackBishop> also, would be nice to give users on the download page a stripped down version of the image, just cli ..
[14:33] <BlackBishop> would make users happier probably to have something up and running faster ..
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[14:39] <StMichel> aren't you just describing the arch image?
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[14:39] <StMichel> "just cli"
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[14:43] <RaTTuS|BIG> the raspbian is just cli - you dont have to load x ever....
[14:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> \o/ got my ssd - not working yet though ... must go for photo 1st
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[14:47] <wdog> hi all
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[15:03] <sam> hermanhermitage: switching to the 128 split didn't help; I'm gonna try with a smaller resolution
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[15:11] <sam> is it me or is there no documentation for dispmanx?
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[15:16] <[Phaedrus]> hi, I have a question on chromium. Followed the instructions on hexxehs blog, and after running the script, if i say chrome, it says file not found
[15:16] <[Phaedrus]> any ideas?
[15:17] <[Phaedrus]> i seem to be at my wits end, when it cant seem to find a file that is right there
[15:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> try chrome<tab>
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[15:21] <[Phaedrus]> if i do a ls in /opt/google/chrome... its there as chrome
[15:21] <[Phaedrus]> but if i type it, it says its not tere
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[15:34] <GriffenJBS> phire: did you do ./chrome?
[15:34] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently the raspberry pi tracker won't let you register more than one pi with the same email.
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[15:34] <SpeedEvil> Oh noes!
[15:34] <jacekowski> is there any place where i can order raspberry for next day delivery?
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> It is clearly impossible to registerr a new address.
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> Well, I'd sell mine for a moderate fee. :)
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> But as far as I'm aware, there are no real options yet
[15:35] <jacekowski> ??30 with P&P?
[15:35] <SpeedEvil> Other than perhaps ebay, if you can find an auction ending in the next few mins.
[15:37] <SpeedEvil> Alas, it'd practically need to be 80 or so, as Ive already moved some infrastucture onto it, and it would involve a fair bit of effort to get it off and onto another suitable platform.
[15:37] <SpeedEvil> Ebay is probably an option.
[15:37] <GabrialDestruir> Eh, I'm too lazy to register a new address :p
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[15:44] <GabrialDestruir> Huh. Cool, apparently a hacker space opened up not 20 minutes away.
[15:46] <nevyn> jacekowski: one does not simply purchase a raspberry pi (still)
[15:46] <GabrialDestruir> Really?
[15:46] <GabrialDestruir> I did xD
[15:47] <GabrialDestruir> It took 2 months to get here, but it arrived >.>
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> GabrialDestruir: Where?
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> (space)
[15:47] <nevyn> GabrialDestruir: that's sortof what I mean ;)
[15:47] <GabrialDestruir> Ah, Mojave
[15:47] <GabrialDestruir> California
[15:47] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:48] <nevyn> GabrialDestruir: http://memegenerator.net/instance/21510322
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[15:52] <GabrialDestruir> Heh.... there's something amusing, at least to me, about the fact there's a hacker space on a space port
[15:52] <GabrialDestruir> xD
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[16:23] <GabrialDestruir> It appears.... that you can actually buy PI from RS now without a code, but it's still something like a 12-18 week waiting period.
[16:24] <nid0> orders have been open for a couple of weeks
[16:24] <GabrialDestruir> Heh... it doesn't seem like they're catching up with all these orders.
[16:24] <ReggieUK> farnell should have shorter queues I believe
[16:25] <ReggieUK> I think they caught up with the 1 per person orders but we're all underestimating the demand for many pi
[16:25] <GabrialDestruir> I probably won't order a third one for a while. Don't really have a need for it.
[16:26] <mikma> i'm thinking about ordering a second one so i could mount it in my var
[16:26] <mikma> car*
[16:27] <xarragon> You can never be too rich, too good-looking or have too many pis.
[16:27] <GabrialDestruir> Yes you can.
[16:27] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[16:27] <Jungle-Boogie> what would you have it do in the car?
[16:28] <xarragon> Dingle from the front rear mirror to show you have one
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[16:28] <GabrialDestruir> If you're too rich, people will hate you. If you're too good looking, everyone and their mother's and their grandmother's etc will want to molest you....
[16:28] <mikma> jungle-boogie: musicplayer, videoplayer and games!
[16:28] <GabrialDestruir> The third one might be true though.
[16:28] <Jungle-Boogie> haha, yeah, all the gangsters would be jealous, xarragon
[16:28] <mikma> jungle-boogie: bluetooth mini keyboard with buildin mouse + wlan and 32gb sd-card
[16:29] <[Phaedrus]> GabrialDestruir: :)
[16:29] <mikma> xarragon: well visible install would be nice
[16:29] <Jungle-Boogie> make it a bluetooth data collector with bluelog: http://www.digifail.com/software/bluelog.shtml
[16:30] <mikma> oh yeah, my obd2 bluetooth unit might be arriving next week
[16:30] <xarragon> GabrialDestruir: Well, if you are too rich: Buy more pis. If you are too good-looking, distract molesters by giving them pis. There is no drawback to #3.
[16:30] <GabrialDestruir> I think setting up a Pi as an automated penetration tester would be an interesting project.
[16:30] <mikma> was a cheap one (mini) in dealerextreme.com so i ordered one
[16:31] <Jungle-Boogie> what did you order, mikma
[16:31] <GabrialDestruir> and it would be interesting to see if someone takes and runs with the idea of a PoE Pi like device.
[16:31] <mikma> jungle-boogie: wait a moment i'll find the unit from email
[16:32] <GabrialDestruir> Too much pi and you your computer crashes from all the digits >.>
[16:32] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[16:32] <BlackBishop> I still have to wait ~6 more weeks .. they said 10 weeks estimated 4 weeks ago ..
[16:32] <mikma> jungle-boogie: this one, http://dx.com/p/mini-elm327-bluetooth-odb2-v1-5-car-diagnostic-interface-tool-black-133014?item=1
[16:33] <mikma> jungle-boogie: checked out the cost and thought "what the heck, worth to try"
[16:36] <Jungle-Boogie> that's cool!
[16:39] <GriffenJBS> GabrialDestruir: is a POE breakout usable?
[16:39] <nid0> I still have my hopes that the faq isnt lying and a future pi release will be poe capable
[16:39] <GriffenJBS> ..!? nid0 which faq says that?
[16:39] <nid0> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[16:40] <nid0> Is power over Ethernet (PoE) possible?
[16:40] <nid0> Not in the base device, but it???s been a very commonly requested feature, so we???re examining options for later releases
[16:40] <GabrialDestruir> Not really sure, but I was reading the post about the Raspberry Pi hosting itself.
[16:40] <GriffenJBS> nid0: thanks for pointing that out
[16:41] <GabrialDestruir> and it mentioned that with a bit more ram and PoE Gigabit they could make decent little servers. So it'll be interesting to see if someone tries to do a redesign for that. Obviously not as an official Pi but still.
[16:42] <nid0> i'd love to see where someone could get with a pi designed to be headless, strip out all the video/audio and its gotta leave space/cost for poe/gigabit/more ram/faster chip
[16:42] <nid0> considering the gpu is like 90% of the soc
[16:43] <XeCrypt> anybody familar with "Relax, XBMC will resume shortly"-RaspBMC-Logo-Loop after updating to a nightly build of raspbmc?
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[16:44] <ziltro> I was considering a multi-pi board.
[16:44] <ziltro> Which, for parallel processing, might even be educational.
[16:45] <zgreg> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/commits/
[16:45] <nid0> i'm still hopeful of finding someone with a 3d printer/laser cutter who might be up for designing+manufacturing a single case that'll hold 5 pis :(
[16:45] <zgreg> hm... what's going in there?
[16:45] <zgreg> *on
[16:45] <buZz> nid0: awesome :)
[16:45] <buZz> nid0: whats the purpose? and will i get 5 pis to test the case? :P
[16:46] <nid0> a HA HA controller basically
[16:46] <buZz> haha
[16:46] <buZz> ?
[16:46] <nid0> and as that set of arconyms isnt terribly clear, high availability home automation
[16:46] <buZz> its for laughs? :)
[16:47] <buZz> ah right
[16:47] <buZz> well hmm
[16:47] <GabrialDestruir> Legos >.>
[16:47] <buZz> my printer just has a 16x18x10cm buildrange, how would you envision a case for 5 pi?
[16:47] <mikma> so you need 5 because you need 5xGPIO pins?
[16:47] <buZz> with them mounted on the side or something?
[16:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> stack them on top of each other
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[16:48] <nid0> I figured the best way would either be in a semi pyramid of 2 side by side then 2 above them then the 5th in the middle so its basically 2 pis wide and 3 high, or having them all stacked sideways
[16:48] <mikma> hmmmrph, exactly how long does it take for the RPI to resize the 32GB card? :P
[16:49] <GabrialDestruir> I currently have two lego cases that are seperated by one bricks that stack, but if I wanted, I could remove the bottom block of the second case and attach it to the top of the first case to save space.
[16:49] <nid0> I wouldnt need access to gpio, video or audio so only the 2 ends would need access
[16:49] <pi-bursar> Like this one: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=11291
[16:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> about 10mins for my 64Gb
[16:49] <GriffenJBS> nid0: what is the use of this?
[16:49] <buZz> nid0: and what about cooling?
[16:49] <nid0> pi-bursar: yeah something like that'd be awesome
[16:50] <ziltro> I resized the partition in the machine I wrte the image on using gparted
[16:50] <nid0> buZz: I figure the general space inside the case will be perfectly adequate, the pis wont exactly be heavily taxed and will never have their gpus rendering video
[16:50] <buZz> hmm ok
[16:51] <buZz> well i will think about it for a while
[16:51] <buZz> this is your regular nickname?
[16:51] <mikma> rattus|big: hmm well yeah, it's been on for 10mins soon
[16:51] <nid0> ace, you're a star - im always here as either nid0 or sometimes nidO
[16:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> open another terminal and tail -f /var/log syslog
[16:52] <GabrialDestruir> I should take some new pictures of my setup to show how modifiable it is.
[16:52] <mikma> i'm not sure can i do that cause this is the first boot
[16:53] <nid0> mikma, how're you resizing it exactly?
[16:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> alt-f2 ?
[16:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> is this raspbian
[16:53] <mikma> nid0: selected the "resize root partition" from raspi-config and after done i booted
[16:53] <ziltro> I do have some tips for anyone writing an installer...
[16:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> kk it will get there - go and make coffee
[16:54] <mikma> rattus|big: it's resizing it at the boot, right after it has initialized the ALSA :P
[16:54] <ziltro> 1. Select language. 2. Select country. 3. Select keyboard map (defaulting to country speciffic one).
[16:54] <GriffenJBS> nid0: why use 5?
[16:54] <ziltro> But apparently that is difficult.
[16:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeha you may not have extra terminals then
[16:54] <ziltro> Possibly 4. Re-build SSH keys.
[16:56] <nid0> GriffenJBS: seems like a decent number really, purely for personal interest i've got 3 on order still (totalling 5) to sort out a HA webservice cluster with 2 frontend 2 backend and a hot standby, can repurpose them similarly as an automation controller
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[16:58] <GabrialDestruir> Ah I see a lot more than that for an installer.
[16:59] <GriffenJBS> nid0: I'm not sure your setup, but HA for a very large home could run on one
[16:59] <nid0> yeah quite easily, but thats also boring
[17:00] <GriffenJBS> and a second for a backup ...? not sure why the other 3
[17:00] <ziltro> Second backup. :)
[17:00] <GabrialDestruir> Something more like the configuration setup for Raspbian
[17:00] <GriffenJBS> and if your using a backup, how are you handling rollover
[17:01] <GabrialDestruir> But preferably with some sort of video calibrator so you can get your overscan settings right without a bunch of rebooting
[17:01] <mikma> oh i would so have wanted that when i was tweaking the reso for tv
[17:02] <GriffenJBS> not trying to be critical, just wanting to learn, that's not a simple problem
[17:02] <ziltro> HDMI doesn't need that, right?
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[17:02] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe add in the ability to create a new user too, make it more like a proper linux installer as opposed to just a half baked one
[17:02] <ziltro> Mmm, or change the primary username
[17:03] <GabrialDestruir> That would be the equivalent of creating a new user. Stop putting pi as a default user, add in a user information section to an installer.
[17:04] <ziltro> Oh that might work too
[17:04] <nid0> GriffenJBS: there're a number of ways of doing failover with pis depending on exact needs, it is technically possible to run openstack on a pi, though it takes like 10 minutes to boot if you've got nova on it (and the vm you then run would be about the smallest ever) but swift for storage redundancy is perfectly doable, though a bit of a lighter solution like drbd for storage and
[17:04] <nid0> pacemaker/corosync can work well
[17:04] <GabrialDestruir> As for overscan settings, my Pi won't display right unless I fidget with them which takes me like an hour to do
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[17:05] <nid0> for a webserver/sql cluster though its fairly straightforward to have two webservers active/active with a mysql master/slave sitting behind them, and the standby can drop in at the network level with some switch configuration
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[17:06] <mikma> oh yey, it finished
[17:06] <mikma> too a loooong time but now there's 28gb free :D
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[17:07] <Crenn-NAS> Melbourne Raspberry Pi Jam is tomorrow
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[17:07] <Crenn-NAS> Time to di... I mean sleep
[17:09] <GabrialDestruir> But yea, it'd be nice to see something like the debian installer for the Pi, all graphical and pretty, as opposed to the blue and gray and whatever of a shell menu. The installer would have to be small load into ram, format the card download the OS from a server etc
[17:09] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose graphic might be a bit much for an all ram installer though
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[17:15] <booyaa> Crenn-NAS: did you finish your slides?
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[17:28] <DexterLB> hi all, I just got my pi :)
[17:28] <nevyn> Crenn-NAS: hrm so is barcamp tho!!!
[17:28] <mikma> dexterlb: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
[17:28] <mikma> dexterlb: lol!
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[17:31] <DexterLB> I have a dvi to hdmi cable that I currently use to display from a DVI videocard on an HDMI tv. Can it be used the other way round, or the pins are asymmetric?
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[17:32] <booyaa> can't wait play around with my arduino this weekend, it's been a long while
[17:32] <booyaa> will also check my components to see if i have enough bits to make a breakout board
[17:32] <booyaa> for the pi
[17:32] <booyaa> with protection
[17:33] <mikma> dexterlb: raspi should be able to put out DVI image also, notice that the sound won't work that way then
[17:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> if you have a hdmi->dvi cable it will work for the RPi but you wont get sound out of it
[17:34] <DexterLB> mikma: of course :)
[17:34] <DexterLB> yeah, dvi has no sound, I know
[17:34] <ziltro> Well, DVI ignores the sound.
[17:34] <ziltro> It might be there.
[17:34] <DexterLB> my only concern is that it is a "DVI to HDMI cable"
[17:34] <ziltro> I suspect it will work.
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[17:35] <mikma> i think that ain't a problem
[17:35] <mikma> just tweak it to put DVI out instead of HDMI and it should work?
[17:35] <ziltro> There's no directionally different pins.
[17:35] <DexterLB> ziltro: that's what I was asking, thanks
[17:35] <ziltro> There's no difference between DVI and HDMI signals, is there?
[17:36] <ziltro> DexterLB: Wikipedia has pinouts and info on both connectors. :)
[17:36] <DexterLB> hdmi can be used to transmit things other than RGB
[17:36] <DexterLB> while dvi is RGB-only
[17:36] <DexterLB> but I suppose the rpi is configured to RGB
[17:36] <mikma> well... no
[17:36] <mikma> but you can change it to be so
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[17:37] <DexterLB> mikma: dang :D
[17:37] <mikma> hmm now actually...
[17:37] <DexterLB> maybe there's a forum thread, /me looks
[17:37] <mikma> i might be wrong
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[17:37] <mikma> cause you need to configure MORE if hdmi doesn't work :D
[17:37] <mikma> # uncomment to force a HDMI mode rather than DVI. This can make audio work in
[17:37] <ziltro> Oh, I've used my RPi with HDMI > DVI.
[17:37] <mikma> # DMT (computer monitor) modes
[17:38] <mikma> hdmi_drive=2
[17:38] <GabrialDestruir> You know.... I have to admit i like that blade chassis for the Pi that was posted earlier.... seems like a really clean way to to store a bunch of Pis together
[17:38] <ziltro> I had no problems.
[17:38] <mikma> gabrialdestruir: linky linky
[17:38] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=11291
[17:38] <mikma> lego blade :DDDD
[17:38] <GabrialDestruir> It's made of legos, but it's a very interesting design.
[17:38] <mikma> that's so awesome
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[17:39] <DexterLB> http://blog.superpat.com/2012/06/08/raspberry-pi-fix-for-hdmi-to-dvi-cable-issue/ hmm
[17:39] <GabrialDestruir> Makes my design look a bit bulky to be honest xD
[17:40] <DexterLB> the problem is, I have no display with a composite input laying around :D
[17:40] <mikma> gabrialdestruir: you need to find a lego store where you can use a plastic shovel to pick up different parts ina plastic bag :D
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[17:41] <TheGilDev> Hi!
[17:42] <GabrialDestruir> My design is all custom parts.
[17:42] <ziltro> DexterLB: I've had no problems using HDMI to DVI with the Raspbian image.
[17:42] <DexterLB> right, image downloaded :] do I now just dd it on the card? (entire card, not a partition)
[17:42] <GabrialDestruir> but I never thought of doing it like that.
[17:42] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[17:42] <TheGilDev> Can someone help me to run Quake 3 on my RPi?
[17:43] <ziltro> DexterLB: Yes, it should contain a partition table and two partitions.
[17:43] <DexterLB> ziltro: sweet
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[17:44] <mikma> thegildev: http://bit.ly/Oi7t9x
[17:44] <TheGilDev> Haha, I already setup it
[17:45] <TheGilDev> I just got a problem at launch, and I didn't find any solution
[17:45] <TheGilDev> I think it's with the latest Raspbian image =/ I'm not the only one who have this problem
[17:45] <booyaa> mmmm ntop appears to be a different beast on raspbian
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[17:46] <TheGilDev> Oh
[17:46] <sam> why run Quake 3 when you have ToukyDemo?
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[17:46] <booyaa> it installed a whole load of junk that'll learn me not to check the package before. all i wanted was the network top command line
[17:46] <TheGilDev> ToukyDemo? ._.
[17:46] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.thoughtsofthemasses.com/gabrialdestruir/2012/05/30/raspberry-pi-meets-lego-bricks/
[17:46] <GabrialDestruir> That's my design.
[17:47] <simcop2387> GabrialDestruir: nice.
[17:47] <GabrialDestruir> and the bottom can removed and top of another case just like it used in place of the bottom so they could stack.
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[17:48] <GabrialDestruir> Which really is fine since I don't imagine I'll need to be doing a lot of quick swapping PI devices or w/e lol
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[17:49] <TheGilDev> For my Quake 3 problem : When I type "./start.sh" (with and without sudo), it say me : "sudo: ./ioquake3.arm: command not found"
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[17:50] <GabrialDestruir> I seem to have unfortunately misplaced my second powercord
[17:50] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[17:50] <mikma> thegildev: well it can't find ioquake3.arm file
[17:51] <TheGilDev> Yep, I know
[17:51] <mikma> so fix it
[17:51] <TheGilDev> I don't know how to solve this
[17:51] <TheGilDev> Hum...
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[17:51] <mikma> well 'ls -la'
[17:51] <mikma> is the file there
[17:51] <TheGilDev> It's in the same folder
[17:51] <sam> find . -name ioquake3.arm
[17:51] <TheGilDev> Yes!
[17:51] <ziltro> Is it executable?
[17:51] <mikma> 'chmod u+ax ioquake3.arm'
[17:51] <oister|work> has anyone had success streaming 1080p over wifi?
[17:52] <mikma> oister|work: was rather choppy when i tried
[17:52] <oister|work> seems to work great over ethernet
[17:52] <oister|work> is it just a bandwidth problem?
[17:52] <w0m> I would say wifi overhead overtaxes the board
[17:53] <oister|work> cpu overhead
[17:53] <TheGilDev> mikma: invalid mode:'u+ax'
[17:53] <mikma> same experience here, wlan was choppy but lan works just fine
[17:53] <mikma> thegildev: eh?
[17:53] <mikma> thegildev: oh sorry, u+rx
[17:53] <w0m> yea; i can stream 1080p fine to my ps3/htpc; so it's not the wifi explicitly; just overhead it causes taxing pi too much
[17:54] <TheGilDev> It's working ><'
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[17:54] <TheGilDev> I just made +x before
[17:54] <w0m> (bad wifi driver potentially; or just not enough power on board..)
[17:54] <TheGilDev> Damn it! Same problem as before, it launch, but I got a black screen
[17:55] <TheGilDev> mikma: Any ideas?
[17:55] <mikma> thegildev: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:56] <mikma> thegildev: also, https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/ ;)
[17:56] <TheGilDev> Already made an rpi-update
[17:56] <TheGilDev> But yes, forgot to update aptitude this time
[17:56] <TheGilDev> It's not apt-get dist-upgrade?
[17:57] <GabrialDestruir> Yea. I find that the Pi doesn't like 1080 that much... especially if it's streamed
[17:58] <GabrialDestruir> or on an unpowered USB drive lol
[17:58] <sam> TheGilDev: did you tweak your amount of video memory?
[17:58] <mikma> thegildev: nope, dist-upgrade tries to upgrade the raspbian distro (and there ain't newer ones out yet)
[17:58] <TheGilDev> sam: Hum... I think it's the 192Mo split for now
[17:58] <TheGilDev> mikma: Okay, thanks for the information
[17:58] <sam> TheGilDev: I think quake3 requires 128
[17:58] <TheGilDev> Ow
[17:59] <ziltro> What is rpi-update then?
[17:59] <ziltro> Does it copy the latest firmware to the FAT partition?
[17:59] <TheGilDev> I see on a wiki that it only need 192, but can I change to 128Mo with the uh... Rpi-config?
[17:59] <TheGilDev> Raspi-config is better I think
[17:59] <GabrialDestruir> raspi-config
[18:00] <mikma> well
[18:00] <mikma> you can do it with raspi-config, but also with rpi-update 192
[18:00] <mikma> both ways are ok
[18:00] <TheGilDev> Okay
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[18:02] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm... I think I may have to invest in a switch dedicated to my Pi
[18:02] <TheGilDev> Ok I just launch a "rpi-update 128"
[18:03] <TheGilDev> mikma: Mah! Black screen too for now
[18:04] <mikma> are you sure it's running on a correct resolution that your display can show
[18:04] <TheGilDev> Hum... I need to change the resolution in some configs files?
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[18:06] <mikma> thegildev: i don't know, i only use ScummVM! lol
[18:06] <TheGilDev> Oh
[18:06] <TheGilDev> I have an 19" screen
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[18:07] <mikma> thegildev: also try this: change the memory split from raspi-config and reboot the rpi
[18:07] <TheGilDev> Omg, I'm so noob
[18:07] <mikma> i think it can't change the memory without boot
[18:07] <TheGilDev> I launched a rpi-update 128 without rebooting after
[18:07] <TheGilDev> Yup, I think too
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[18:08] <TheGilDev> FOr the resolution, I believe it's a 1280x1024
[18:08] <TheGilDev> Mah! I don't like hard rebooting my RPi ><'
[18:08] <GriffenJBS> TheGilDev: use tvservice to check
[18:09] <TheGilDev> GriffenJBS: I just type tvservice in the console?
[18:09] <mikma> thegildev: hardboot?
[18:09] <TheGilDev> mikma: ???
[18:09] <mikma> thegildev: 'sudo reboot'
[18:09] <TheGilDev> mikma: When I got the black screen, I can't do anything on my RPi, so I need to unplug the alimentation
[18:09] <TheGilDev> Power supply in english
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[18:10] <mikma> thegildev: are you trying to run it in X or in shell?
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[18:10] <TheGilDev> In shell! FOr sure!
[18:10] <mikma> and this shell is not open in X as terminal, right? ;)
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[18:10] <TheGilDev> Can I check my memory split from the shell?
[18:10] <TheGilDev> Yes! ._.
[18:10] <TheGilDev> I'm not in X
[18:10] <mikma> and alt+f2 doesn't work?
[18:11] <DexterLB> I see the debian image is 2.0GiB - does that include some empty space? (can I run successfully on a 2G card)
[18:11] <mikma> when the blackscreen is on
[18:11] <TheGilDev> Hum...
[18:11] <TheGilDev> It only clear the screen
[18:11] <TheGilDev> Oh
[18:11] <TheGilDev> I didn't know this shortcut before
[18:11] <mikma> dexterlb: why would you run debian when you got raspbian?
[18:11] <TheGilDev> +1
[18:11] <TheGilDev> =D
[18:12] <GabrialDestruir> Raspbian + 1
[18:12] <DexterLB> mikma: well yeah, I meant raspbian image.
[18:12] <DexterLB> yes, it is raspbian
[18:12] <DexterLB> s/debian/raspbian/
[18:12] <DexterLB> :)
[18:12] <DexterLB> back to the initial question
[18:12] <mikma> dexterlb: 2.0GiB? in where?
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[18:13] <mikma> thegildev: login and 'sudo killall -9 ioquake3.arm' or something and alt+f1
[18:13] <TheGilDev> mikma: alt+F2 don't work when I have the black screen. And I got a blackscreen too now, I'll try to change the memory split with raspi-config instead
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[18:13] <mikma> thegildev: and ssh doesn't work?
[18:13] <TheGilDev> Hum...
[18:13] <TheGilDev> I don't use SSH
[18:13] <TheGilDev> But I think it'll not work
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[18:14] <TheGilDev> I'm almost sure that it won't work
[18:14] <mikma> well try it so you don't have to hard reboot it
[18:14] <sam> (sleep 60 ; killall -9 ioquake3.arm) & ; ./start.sh
[18:14] <sam> this will kill it after one minute
[18:14] <TheGilDev> Oh, cool!
[18:15] <mikma> what psu are you using with the rpi at the moment?
[18:15] <oister|work> has anyone tried something like this for a wireless replacement? http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0364459
[18:15] <TheGilDev> The one sell with it
[18:15] <TheGilDev> On the RS Components website
[18:17] <ziltro> A wireless bridge would probably be easier to set up than a USB card.
[18:17] <ziltro> And it'll come with its own PSU
[18:17] <oister|work> thats what im thinking
[18:18] <ziltro> I've used wireless bridges, but not on an RPi
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[18:18] <ziltro> You have to put the MAC address of each bridge into the other.
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[18:18] <ziltro> But that has to be the WLAN MAC address, not the wired LAN MAC address.
[18:18] <GabrialDestruir> I'm using a wireless bridge.
[18:18] <ziltro> As I found out on one which only had the LAN MAC address written on it.
[18:19] <GabrialDestruir> But it's a ddwrt wireless bridge
[18:19] <GabrialDestruir> Run on WRT54G Router
[18:19] <ziltro> I've used NetGear and Draytek bridges together.
[18:19] <TheGilDev> mikma: I tried to launch it once more after changing the memory split with raspi-config, I got the black screen too for now but I launch the command that sam give me and I'm waiting for it to quit
[18:19] <ziltro> Well, access poitns configured as a bridge.
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[18:19] <ziltro> I think I set up three acces points in a bridge once, untill they finally got wires installed.
[18:20] <TheGilDev> mikma: I really don't know how to make, but at launch I think I see a error message, I just see the word "pak" inside a "#" rectangle
[18:20] <TheGilDev> mikma: Ok the process don't kill itself, so it's fully crashed and I need to hard shutdown
[18:20] <GabrialDestruir> I have my main access then two WRT54G routers acting as wireless bridges so I don't have to use wires
[18:21] <mikma> then there's something horribly wrong with the binaries
[18:21] <ziltro> I've got lots of cables so I don't have to use wireless. :p
[18:21] <GabrialDestruir> Mind you wired connections would be faster, but it'd cost money to install them. lol
[18:21] <TheGilDev> =/
[18:21] <ziltro> Ah, install... THese are just thrown around... :)
[18:21] <TheGilDev> mikma: I tried several tutorial, and the last one I make (for now) is that : http://myraspberrypiexperience.blogspot.fr/p/quake3.html
[18:22] <GabrialDestruir> I wish I knew why the thumbnails for my OpenElec TV Shows is corrupted =\
[18:22] <TheGilDev> mikma: I just see a video of someone launching Quake3 from X
[18:23] <mikma> thegildev: the screenshots show the same case
[18:23] <TheGilDev> mikma: What screenshots?
[18:24] <mikma> thegildev: from the page you just linked?
[18:25] <TheGilDev> mika: Ah, in my screen?
[18:26] <mikma> sure. why not
[18:26] <TheGilDev> Yes, it's the same, I just changed the ioquake3.arm for one other I found on the RPi forums of someone posting it to resolve the problem I have
[18:26] <TheGilDev> But it don't resolve it =/
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[18:27] <TheGilDev> I put the original i
[18:27] <TheGilDev> n
[18:27] <mikma> back to the reason: 19:19 <+mikma> then there's something horribly wrong with the binaries
[18:27] <TheGilDev> D=
[18:29] <TheGilDev> I'll try a last thing
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[18:33] <DexterLB> it's alive!
[18:33] <TheGilDev> mikma: Oh, now I have the "failed to open vchiq instance" problem of before
[18:33] <mikma> If you get an error like "failed to open vchiq instance" you'll need to do as root:
[18:33] <mikma> echo 'SUBSYSTEM=="vchiq",GROUP="video",MODE="0660"' > /etc/udev/rules.d/10-vchiq-permissions.rules
[18:33] <mikma> usermod -a -G video [your_username]
[18:33] <TheGilDev> mikma: I remember the ioquade3.arm I downloaded is for resolve this problem, and it solved it, but now I have my black screen! D=
[18:34] <TheGilDev> Ah, this command ^^'
[18:34] <TheGilDev> I already typed the temporary command on the Raspbian site, but I'll try this one once more
[18:38] <TheGilDev> mikma: "bash: /etc/udev/rules.d/10-vchiq-permissions.rules: Permission denied" (I'm on X now)
[18:38] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[18:39] <mikma> thegildev: 'sudo bash' -> 'passwd' -> 'exit' -> 'su -'
[18:39] <mikma> err, hehe
[18:39] <mikma> nevermind, just sudo bash and go
[18:39] <mikma> you don't need to enable the root account, that's what i just told you to did
[18:39] <mikma> did=do
[18:39] <TheGilDev> Ok I maked it
[18:40] <TheGilDev> I can try to launch it on the root bash?
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[18:40] <GriffenJBS> mikma: which image is he using?
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[18:40] <TheGilDev> Raspbian
[18:40] <TheGilDev> Last version
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[18:41] <GriffenJBS> there is no 10-vchiq-perm... file, not in the stock image
[18:41] <TheGilDev> Mhhh...
[18:42] <TheGilDev> mikma: I can try to launch it on the root bash?
[18:42] <mikma> go for it
[18:42] <TheGilDev> So how I can solve the vchiq problem?
[18:42] <TheGilDev> Ok
[18:42] <mikma> atleast it has all the needed permissions
[18:42] <TheGilDev> Same problem
[18:42] <mikma> i had the same and deleted the whole Q3 ;)
[18:42] <TheGilDev> Very incompatible BCHIQ library - cannot retrieve driver version
[18:42] <GriffenJBS> the binary is not for that firmware/kernel
[18:42] <TheGilDev> Arf... ><'
[18:42] <mikma> you might need to recompile it
[18:43] <mikma> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianQuake3
[18:43] <mikma> there's instructions how
[18:43] <TheGilDev> Wow, I already recompiled it once, I don't want to make it more ._.
[18:43] <TheGilDev> On the tutorial you send me
[18:43] <TheGilDev> But I have the same problems =/
[18:43] <GriffenJBS> for raspbian you need 721849c3da9bcbe43c9eae94c1322fe1 ./ioquake3.arm
[18:43] <TheGilDev> Hum...
[18:43] <TheGilDev> ???
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[18:44] <mikma> that's sha-1 i guess
[18:44] <GriffenJBS> md5
[18:44] <TheGilDev> Ok
[18:44] <GriffenJBS> iirc there is a ioquake package
[18:45] <TheGilDev> It's not the same md5
[18:45] <mikma> "6. Wait for compilation to finish, takes about 1 hour on RasPi."
[18:45] <TheGilDev> D=
[18:45] <mikma> ouch
[18:45] <TheGilDev> Yup
[18:45] <TheGilDev> And I already make that once and I get the same problems
[18:46] <GriffenJBS> I don't remember where I got mine from, wasn't the package
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[18:47] <TheGilDev> mikma: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=73802#p73802
[18:48] <TheGilDev> GriffenJBS: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=73802#p73802
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[18:48] <aaa801> Whats the serial console name for the pi?
[18:48] <aaa801> tty
[18:48] <aaa801> tty#####?
[18:49] <mikma> aaa801: umm, what does 'finger' say
[18:49] <GriffenJBS> TheGilDev: I'll send you a tarball of mine
[18:49] <TheGilDev> Oh, thank you!!
[18:49] <aaa801> i dont have a linux system on my pi atm
[18:49] <TheGilDev> When I type tty I got : "/dev/pts/0"
[18:50] <TheGilDev> I get*
[18:50] <aaa801> Nope thats not what i need
[18:50] <aaa801> i need the device name
[18:50] <aaa801> =/
[18:50] <TheGilDev> Sorry, the most english I learned, I learned it on the computer
[18:50] <aaa801> ls /dev
[18:50] <aaa801> ?
[18:50] <TheGilDev> Uh... Yes and?
[18:51] <mikma> i'm guessing tty1
[18:51] <TheGilDev> There's so many tty
[18:51] <aaa801> got it
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[18:51] <aaa801> ttyAMA0,115200
[18:51] <aaa801> :)
[18:52] <TheGilDev> GriffenJBS: Do the file is ready soon? I'll leave after... =/
[18:52] <TheGilDev> Oh and please, what's a tarball?
[18:53] <aaa801> a .tar
[18:54] <TheGilDev> Oh, okay, thanks =)
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[18:57] <TheGilDev> GriffenJBS: Are you here?
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[18:58] <GriffenJBS> TheGilDev: yes, check your messages
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[19:04] <GriffenJBS> or just do "sudo ./ioquake3.arm"
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[19:07] <eXiLe> hi
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[19:08] <reider59> I use a Rii mini keyboard/trackpad on the Pi so this offer is no good to me. But I got a Maplins offer through showing a small Media Centre keyboard/trackball reduced from ?39.99 to ?19.99. It may be cheaper elsewhere, it might not even work with the Pi, it may be too small for your use but I thought I best point out the offer is there and you can search some more if it's any use to you.
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[19:12] <reider59> Yay, my breakout board works. Fitted the Pot direct to it as wll.
[19:13] <reider59> *well
[19:14] <reider59> Made a matching ribbon cable and connector for the LCD
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[19:14] <aaa801> Still working on getting sound working on android for the pi ;)
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[19:16] <GriffenJBS> aaa801: are you aware there are sound issues with the firmware?
[19:16] <aaa801> Yes
[19:16] <aaa801> But this is a android issue atm
[19:16] <aaa801> =/
[19:16] <GriffenJBS> aaa801: ok, that target become harder to hit if you don't realize it's moving
[19:16] <aaa801> O_o
[19:17] <GriffenJBS> reider59: I'd like to see pics when you finish
[19:17] <mikma> griffenjbs: lol
[19:17] <reider59> Will do
[19:18] * GriffenJBS loves his hardware porn, especially the amature stuff
[19:18] <mikma> griffenjbs: how about unboxing porn?
[19:18] <GriffenJBS> the packaging or the case?
[19:18] <mikma> both
[19:19] <mikma> first the other, then another
[19:19] <GriffenJBS> packaging, nah, case, yes
[19:19] <GriffenJBS> pi has no case so ...
[19:19] <mikma> then you are missing the idea of "unboxing porn" completely
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[19:20] <mikma> griffenjbs: http://youtu.be/UciKe5EbjqQ?hd=1
[19:20] <GriffenJBS> mikma: I don't care to see somone opening the box when they buy thier new ipad
[19:20] <PigFlu> uhm, i was wondering if anyone here could help me.. i received a Sales Invoice from farnell, and i can't really understand if it's telling me to pay, or that i have paid :/
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[19:21] <PigFlu> a few days earlier i got a mail saying they've shipped my pi
[19:22] <mikma> griffenjbs: 'would you look at that, a typoooooh'
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[19:22] <plugwash> PigFlu, what exactly does it say?
[19:22] <ziltro> PigFlu: Mine says Payment Terms: PAID WITH THANKS.
[19:22] <GriffenJBS> mikma: thanks for that
[19:22] <mikma> griffenjbs: really, have you seen that video at all?
[19:22] <reider59> It's the same as the one here http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/breakout-board with a green LED and resistor but the board was short of room for labels so I wrote on the connector blocks. I added a Pot wired to GND and 5V on the breakout board itself then an extra connector for the centre connection on the Pot to pin 3 of the LCD. At the LCD end I took a 34 pin ribbon cable and got rid of 18 wires. After
[19:22] <reider59> meter testing I got the 16 I wanted all in one line so I could press it onto the back of the LCD, then I pared the other ends, tinned the wires, added pins by soldering them. Finally wired into the breadboard I made.
[19:23] <aaa801> You know you want to buy its http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271022314399?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
[19:23] <aaa801> ;)
[19:23] <PigFlu> ziltro: yea, mine says that too, so i guess i've paid :p
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[19:23] <reider59> oops, into the breakout board
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[19:23] <ziltro> Yep. The invoice is a bit odd to send to regular customers.
[19:24] <ziltro> Businesses will be used to it I guess.
[19:24] <ziltro> Oh, it also says *** PAID BY CREDIT CARD ***
[19:25] <ziltro> I'm supprised it arrived as I didn't give them th cardholders address.
[19:25] <plugwash> farnell's computer systems are clearly designed arround the assumption that people will be invoiced and then pay.
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[19:25] <plugwash> with payment in advance by credit card being hacked in to serve customers who don't have credit accounts
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[19:25] <ziltro> Oh and you get some tractor-feed dot-matrix-printed paper too. :)
[19:26] <ziltro> CPC (who are Farnell, ish) are odd.
[19:26] <ziltro> If you pay by credit card it MUST go to the cardholder's address.
[19:26] <ziltro> If you pay on account they'll send it anywhere and await your payment.
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> Not true.
[19:26] <plugwash> mmm, the dispatch notes from farnell's leeds warehouse are on tractor feed paper
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> Oh - for them, maybe
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[19:26] <plugwash> interestingly the ones from farnell's leige warehouse are not
[19:26] <ziltro> Farnell ship to other addresses when paid by credit card, which is even odder.
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[19:29] <ziltro> The other wonderful thing about CPC is that they never use their full name anywhere, except where it appears on your credit card bill.
[19:30] <ziltro> So you end up thinking "Who the hell are they?!"
[19:31] * plugwash has known their full name was combined precision computers for years though I dunno where I originally found that out
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[19:31] <ziltro> Components?
[19:31] <plugwash> also they leave off the word components to make it even more confusing on the credit card bill
[19:32] * plugwash is positive the final C in CPC standard for components
[19:32] <ziltro> Yes, so you can't abbreviate it.
[19:32] <ziltro> You wrote computers.
[19:32] <plugwash> DOH
[19:32] <plugwash> brainfart
[19:35] <plugwash> what really gets me with CPC is their packaging practices
[19:35] <plugwash> they are the only people i've seen individually bag 100nf capacitors
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[19:35] <ziltro> Ha! Not sure I've seen that.
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[19:36] <plugwash> In my experiance CPC seem to prebag nearly everything in whatever the order multiple is
[19:36] <plugwash> so if a 100nf capacitor or surface mount transistor has an order multiple of 1 then each part will be individually bagged
[19:36] <ziltro> Oh no, the component order I was thinking of was from Farnell.
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[19:37] <ziltro> I do sometimes wonder what CPC sell. Like, what their range is.
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[19:38] <plugwash> CPC seem to sell a subset of farnell's range (usually at lower prices) plus a load of weird consumer stuff
[19:39] <ziltro> You can buy like bin liners, bog roll, a weed bunring device, wireless microphone, laptop, spare parts for a dsihwasher...
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[19:40] <plugwash> I think spare parts for white goods was their original market
[19:40] <plugwash> but i'm not sure
[19:41] <plugwash> inflatable kyaks.......
[19:41] <ziltro> I'm sure I saw food items too
[19:42] <plugwash> i've certainly seen office refreshments, for example you can buy coffee sachets from them
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[19:44] <ziltro> And I bet it tastes good
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[19:45] * RoyK += beer
[19:46] <markllama> yeah, not for long
[19:47] * plugwash searches for coffee and finds coffee machine decalcifier....
[19:47] <ziltro> I prefer calcic coffee
[19:49] <ziltro> Wow, healt & satefy signs are expensive
[19:49] * Lisa_Fox perfers Tea to Coffee
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[19:49] <ziltro> actually I don't like coffee except for the smell. :)
[19:51] <ziltro> Even the smallest "fire door" health & safety signs cost >??2.00
[19:51] <Lisa_Fox> once in a while, i see them in scrap here.
[19:52] <ziltro> Where they belong. ;)
[19:52] <Lisa_Fox> I got an Wedge Exit sign once, painted it hot pink and put an orange CF lamp in it. I use it in my bedroom.
[19:53] <ziltro> Very pretty I'm sure. ;)
[19:53] <Lisa_Fox> https://picasaweb.google.com/100699088411818795418/ExitSignLamp?authkey=Gv1sRgCKL7uNz1hLT_SQ
[19:54] <Lisa_Fox> yeah it turned out great
[19:55] <ziltro> Haha
[19:55] <ziltro> Well at least you'll know where the exit is.
[19:55] <Lisa_Fox> That's the thing, it's not at the exit, it's on top of a dresser in my bedroom :-)
[19:55] <ziltro> Is it sad that I can tell that's American from the light bulb base?
[19:55] <ziltro> Or Canadian, perhaps.
[19:56] <Lisa_Fox> I'm in the US, yeah, Edison Base.
[19:56] <ziltro> I pay far too much attention to such things.
[19:56] <Lisa_Fox> That's not sad, I could tell too
[19:56] <Lisa_Fox> me too!
[19:56] <ziltro> I don't actually own any of them.
[19:56] <Lisa_Fox> That's a ceiling Procelin light fixture
[19:56] <ziltro> But I do have an American light switch.
[19:57] <ziltro> It squeaks. I had to replace it when I was over there.
[19:57] <Lisa_Fox> I've wanted a UK Light Switch maybe a Continental European one too
[19:57] <ziltro> They are probably not too hard to get hold of...
[19:57] <ziltro> There's an international eBay site
[19:58] <Lisa_Fox> Yeah, i should look into it then
[19:58] <ziltro> Fortunatly I knew someone going to Brazil, so I now have a 20 A Brazilian electrical socket.
[19:58] <Lisa_Fox> I used to have a friend who collected 220/240V electric items and plugs/outlets
[19:58] <Lisa_Fox> i have never seen so many plugs and outlets and things outside of a DIY store
[19:58] <ziltro> Hehe. I have quite a few plugs & sockets... :|
[19:59] <ziltro> Different types.
[19:59] <Lisa_Fox> He wired several 240v Ring Circuits in his home to handle it.
[19:59] <ziltro> In USA?
[19:59] <Lisa_Fox> yes
[19:59] <Lisa_Fox> 240 is easy to obtain in the US Circuit Breaker Panel
[19:59] <ziltro> Yes, I've noticed. It is the ring bit which is odd.
[19:59] <Lisa_Fox> the power comes in as 2 phases at 120volts nominal
[20:00] <Lisa_Fox> I thought so too
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[20:00] <ziltro> I'm not keen on rings. They seem silly.
[20:01] <ziltro> Hmm. I actually have an autotransformer with a USA socket on it giving 120 V 50 Hz...
[20:01] <Lisa_Fox> i didn't understand why he did that either
[20:01] * plugwash generally likes the british 32A ring, being a ring keeps the cable size down to something easy to handle while allowing lots of current
[20:01] <Lisa_Fox> I bet you that's why he did it then
[20:01] <Lisa_Fox> makes sense to me
[20:01] <Lisa_Fox> I'm used to wiring for 120v circuits
[20:02] <plugwash> but the 32A ring is a british oddity, doing it with other plug types is not really safe
[20:02] <ziltro> I've done some of that in Florida.
[20:02] <plugwash> because other plug types aren't fused
[20:02] <ziltro> If the ring had a 20 A breaker then it is probably fine, and didn't need to be a ring anyway. ;)
[20:02] <Lisa_Fox> ziltro, He did happen to live in my hometown, in Florida as a matter of fact. :-)
[20:03] <Lisa_Fox> he used 20AMP 2 pole breakers in his ring circuits
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[20:03] <ziltro> What I mean of course is that I have never done any electrical wiring in Florida at all. Or I have bought a license to do it. Yeah...
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[20:03] <Lisa_Fox> I've done some of my own wiring, and I've replaced Gobs of old NEMA outlets
[20:04] <Lisa_Fox> and switches
[20:04] <ziltro> They really are truely rubbish, aren't they? Or is that just the 80?? ones?
[20:04] <Lisa_Fox> ziltro, the ones i'm used to replacing are like 50 years old and fail the plug pull test
[20:04] <ziltro> Actually, 20 A NEMA outlets seemsd so much better.
[20:05] <ziltro> Oh these were quite new and plugs could almost fall out of some.
[20:05] <Lisa_Fox> I'm sick of replacing outlets in old homes for friends
[20:05] * Lisa_Fox grins
[20:05] <Lisa_Fox> ziltro, yeah some of them are real junk. I usually get the levitons
[20:05] <Lisa_Fox> they are usually pretty okay
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[20:05] <ziltro> I /think/ that's the ones we used. Hmm.
[20:06] <ziltro> GFCI ones seemed good, if a lot more expensive
[20:06] <Lisa_Fox> They got cheap too? bummer
[20:06] <Lisa_Fox> They have several grades
[20:06] <ziltro> I can't remember, I migh tbe wrong but I saw the name somwhere. I have some at home. :)
[20:06] <Lisa_Fox> i didnt' get the cheapest ones
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[20:06] <ziltro> I'd love to know how an AFCI works. We don't have that concept at all here.
[20:06] <Lisa_Fox> i like Decora outlets/switches better anyway
[20:07] <ziltro> It is so sad I actually know what they are.
[20:07] <Lisa_Fox> No it's not
[20:07] <ziltro> They always have two screws, rather one to break and the cover to fall off
[20:07] <Lisa_Fox> yep
[20:07] <ziltro> I love the one-screw plastic covers.
[20:08] <ziltro> If th outlet doesn't push against anythign then it snaps, falls off and live wires appear.
[20:08] <ziltro> Brilliant design.
[20:08] <ziltro> I did replace a lot of them with metal ones.
[20:09] <ziltro> That was my holiday...
[20:09] <Lisa_Fox> Just want you want, to be zapped by Mains - 120v or 240v
[20:09] <Lisa_Fox> not
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[20:10] <Lisa_Fox> 120v is bad enough, i can vouch
[20:10] <ziltro> SO far I've managed to avoid either
[20:10] <ziltro> I really don't know how
[20:10] <Lisa_Fox> When i was like 10 years old, i stuck a Flathead screwdriver in a NEMA15 outlet...
[20:10] <ziltro> Ah, that's a good experiment
[20:10] <Lisa_Fox> I didn't get shocked, but the Screwdriver was WELDED to the Outlet!
[20:11] <Lisa_Fox> it had to be replaced
[20:11] <ziltro> Actually in Florida there was a meat probe thing which looked just the right size to go in one...
[20:11] <Lisa_Fox> That was a good lesson.
[20:11] <ziltro> Ha!
[20:11] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt
[20:11] <Lisa_Fox> See, i'm a Girl Geek, always have been :-)
[20:11] <ziltro> Best kind. :)
[20:12] <Lisa_Fox> aww thanks hon!
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[20:17] <ziltro> http://global.ebay.com/
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[20:17] <ziltro> That's the place.
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[20:19] <plazia> I'm trying to log in after booting the pi with user: pi and password: raspberry but it's not having any of it? has the password to the default raspbian images been changed recently?
[20:19] * cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccyRegeaneAway
[20:20] <ziltro> I think it was 'rasbperry' when I installed it yesterday.
[20:20] <ziltro> I say think, the keyboard caps were all in the wrong place...
[20:21] <plazia> ziltro, strange. I'm trying that here several times with checking caps-lock and all other variations and it's refusing to log in.
[20:21] <plazia> I can't for the life of me fathom would could possibly be causing this much pain and heartache! :)
[20:22] <ziltro> Hmm, I spelt it wrong just then.
[20:22] <ziltro> But ignoring that... )
[20:24] <ziltro> tried typing the password where the username should be, to see if the letters appear correctly?
[20:24] <ziltro> Number-lock turned on with a laptop style keyboard?
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[20:29] <plazia> ziltro, I'll give it a go
[20:29] <plazia> I'll report back. so user: pi and password: raspberry ?
[20:29] <ziltro> That looks right to my memory.
[20:29] <plazia> here goes
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[20:34] <Ionic`> *sigh*
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[20:35] <Ionic`> so now I'm waiting for this fuc^Wdarn USB HDD case to arrive
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[20:37] <Ionic`> hmm
[20:37] <Ionic`> this WiFi card is de-associating "a lot"
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[20:44] <thrawed> the british layout has the perfect backslash placement
[20:45] <thrawed> And we don't have any of that silly, quotes by enter mentality
[20:45] <thrawed> our quotes are on two god damn it!
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[20:46] <kvarley> thrawed: You must be a windows user? I have no use for the backslash
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[20:46] <thrawed> kvarley: I use it all the time, watch me: \\\\\\\\\\\\
[20:46] <ziltro> kvarley: You must not be a heavy command line user or programmer? ;)
[20:46] <thrawed> see, I used it right there!
[20:46] <ziltro> It is the escape char in a lot of things.
[20:46] <kvarley> ziltro: Hehe, both
[20:47] <Ionic`> what\ are\ you\ all\ talking\ about\?
[20:47] <kvarley> lol
[20:47] <ziltro> mkdir Not\ a\ lot.
[20:47] <kvarley> I'd forgotten about escape characters. I only ever use them in regex so it's extremely rare that I need that key
[20:47] <ziltro> What I dislike is keyboard with a single-line enter key.
[20:48] * kvarley is using one right now
[20:48] <ziltro> Makes it hard to hit, and they move \| above it or something
[20:48] <kvarley> A US layout too
[20:48] <ziltro> Perhaps I should design the perfect keyboard layout
[20:48] <ziltro> There aren't enough already.
[20:48] <thrawed> ziltro: didn't they already do that with dvorak?
[20:49] <ziltro> Mine would have three new keys
[20:49] <ziltro> Cut, Copy, Paste.
[20:49] <ziltro> thrawed: Yes, and Colemak.
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[20:49] <kvarley> ziltro: What about Commit, Push, Pull, Fork? :P
[20:50] <ziltro> Not su sure about them.
[20:50] <ziltro> It might have the English letter Thorn.
[20:50] <thrawed> you could have a case button, which makes everything previously written in upper caps, for better clarity and aggressiveness
[20:50] <ziltro> Because that's a cool letter and it should come back into use.
[20:51] <thrawed> ziltro: don't these weirdos on iceland still use it?
[20:51] <ziltro> Ah possibly.
[20:51] <ziltro> ??is, ??at and ??e o??er.
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[20:51] <ziltro> I can type it with AltGr+P
[20:52] <thrawed> we could always make icelandic the official universal language
[20:52] <ziltro> Using the IPA for writing?
[20:52] <thrawed> ziltro: it's because of thorn that we have a ton of nitwits mispronouncing "ye olde tavern"
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[20:53] <ziltro> Yes. Thorn and typography.
[20:53] <thrawed> It's "the" old tavern god damn it and it has always been
[20:53] <ziltro> Apparently nobody thought "You know what, there's a letter missing from this lot. Why don't we create it?"
[20:55] <thrawed> why do we need to create it? th does a pretty good job
[20:56] <ziltro> They used Y instead.
[20:58] <thrawed> y and y aren't the same
[20:58] <ziltro> No, I can see that.
[20:58] <ziltro> Totally different.
[20:59] <thrawed> I declare a new rule, whenever you feel the need to use y, but not y, you must use th instead.
[21:00] <mikma> y?
[21:01] <Ionic`> th?
[21:02] <thrawed> yes
[21:02] <Ionic`> no, th?
[21:03] <thrawed> I said y, not y. You're using it for y, and not the y.
[21:03] <Ionic`> th should I? I'll use y as much as I want to!
[21:04] <thrawed> you're not listening to me, I said y, not y.
[21:04] <ReggieUK> perhaps he is listening but doesn't care?
[21:04] <Ionic`> hehe
[21:04] <Ionic`> hi reggie
[21:04] <thrawed> And it's not like you'd see a difference anyway, y isn't used anymore.
[21:04] <Vibe> thrawed: you said "y," twice
[21:04] <Vibe> your bad
[21:04] <Ionic`> Vibe: no, he did not
[21:04] <thrawed> But in the rare cases it is used, it makes readability a lot better
[21:05] <Ionic`> one of them is a thorn
[21:05] <Ionic`> although seriously, I can't see any difference
[21:05] <Ionic`> it looks just like a y
[21:05] <Ionic`> at least with my font
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[21:16] <mikma> http://pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/post/001-who-watches-the-watcher <- heh
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[21:18] <adekto> what are u people doing with the pi?
[21:19] <Ionic`> hm
[21:19] <Ionic`> it's currently sitting there, doing pretty much nothing
[21:19] <thrawed> adekto: mine is sitting on my floor doing nothing
[21:20] <adekto> wel at least u have one
[21:20] <mikma> uh
[21:20] <mikma> about everyone who wanted one has one now
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[21:20] <adekto> i dont, it still havent arived
[21:21] <thrawed> adekto: when did you order?
[21:21] <Ionic`> when did you buy?
[21:21] <adekto> i orderd about 6 months ago
[21:21] <Ionic`> uh
[21:21] <thrawed> the current delay is 5 weeks
[21:21] <Ionic`> that's... weird?
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[21:21] <thrawed> adekto: I think it's safe to assume they forgot about you
[21:21] <Ionic`> are you sure your order wasn't lost?
[21:22] <adekto> and i payed for it like a month ago
[21:22] <thrawed> um...
[21:22] <Ionic`> what?
[21:22] <thrawed> wtf?
[21:22] <adekto> wen the currency was very freaking high
[21:22] <Ionic`> you normally only pay once it's shipped
[21:22] <Ionic`> where DID you order?
[21:22] <Ionic`> hopefully not on ebay...
[21:22] <adekto> rs
[21:23] <adekto> where els
[21:23] <thrawed> yeah, did they actually take the amount out of your account? Or do you mean by paid you just gave them your cc number
[21:23] <Ionic`> I used farnell/element14
[21:23] <mikma> same
[21:23] <adekto> yes it did
[21:23] <thrawed> The standard practice is to bill on dispatch
[21:23] <Ionic`> right
[21:23] <Ionic`> on shipping, not before
[21:24] <adekto> how long dous shiping take?
[21:24] <mikma> that's what they did in e14
[21:24] <thrawed> adekto: 2 days?
[21:24] <Ionic`> up to 7 days
[21:24] <mikma> mine arrived in 5 days after mailing
[21:24] <adekto> its been a month
[21:24] <Ionic`> but I'm in Germany
[21:24] <thrawed> adekto: have you checked your doorstep?
[21:24] <Ionic`> adekto: did they write a dispatch mail?
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[21:24] <thrawed> Ionic`: They didn't for me
[21:24] <adekto> no they said to send it soon
[21:25] <Ionic`> thrawed: did for me
[21:25] <Ionic`> but then again, Farnell, not RS
[21:25] <Ionic`> hmmm... weird
[21:25] <mikma> actually
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[21:25] <mikma> he's not the first one to complain about rs
[21:25] <Ionic`> adekto: call them or write a mail
[21:25] <adekto> farnell dint want my money
[21:25] <Ionic`> that's messed up and needs to be rectified
[21:26] <Ionic`> also, make sure they'll deliver by express
[21:26] <Ionic`> deserved, I guess
[21:26] <thrawed> I ordered via farnell, no dispatch notice
[21:26] <martk100> It seems I need libyajl.so.2 to run xbmc on raspbian wheezy. This does not seem to be available . Does anyone know where I can get it?
[21:26] <adekto> there were no options in delivery
[21:27] <Ionic`> adekto: well, as a compensation, I mean
[21:27] <thrawed> martk100: compiling xbmc is supposed to be a massive pain in the butt, are you sure it's worth the effort?
[21:27] <adekto> dam i dont want to spend more money on it it already costed me 42 euro
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[21:27] <mikma> martk100: wait until raspbmc based on raspbian is released
[21:28] <martk100> thrawed:I use the pre compiled version from memetic.
[21:28] <Ionic`> adekto: no! why would you spend more money?
[21:28] <Ionic`> adekto: ask them to do it for free, as a compensation for your lost order/no dispatching/what do I know
[21:28] <martk100> mikma: raspbmc is dedicated to xbmc. I want to run Debian as well.
[21:29] <thrawed> adekto: call them up, tell them it was never recieved
[21:29] <mikma> martk100: but you'll still get them both if you just wait
[21:29] <thrawed> martk100: raspbmc is debian underneath
[21:30] <adekto> wel it was already freking expensive they gave me a mail wen i cude order only witing 7 days and it was the time the curency was freaking high, i cude have buygt the boot sd and a case for that price
[21:30] <martk100> mikma: I had it working yesterday. but my sd card corrupted. I cant get it to work after re-flaash.
[21:30] <thrawed> adekto: call them... end of.
[21:31] <adekto> ok
[21:31] <martk100> thrawed: The raspbmc i tried was dedicated. No way to get to debian.
[21:31] <thrawed> martk100: corrupted? O.o
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[21:32] <thrawed> martk100: what do you mean, "get to debian"?
[21:32] <adekto> Standard Delivery??(Despatch expected within 11 week(s))
[21:32] <martk100> thrawed: Somtimes when I shutdown It does not shut down cleanly.
[21:32] <adekto> thats what the order says
[21:32] <thrawed> adekto: your postal system must really sucks if it takes them 11 weeks to deliver a little box
[21:33] <Ionic`> hmmm
[21:33] <adekto> its there privat service, i think if they wood used the standard delvery it wood be here sooner
[21:33] <martk100> thrawed: It shuts down the display but leaves the sd card mounted. When I power off and on it does fsck. Sometimes I get asway with pthers i do not.
[21:34] <thrawed> martk100: are you halting?
[21:35] <martk100> thrawed: I use shutdown and poweroff. Neither work every time.
[21:35] <thrawed> martk100: sudo shutdown now?
[21:36] <martk100> thrawed: Yes sudo shutdown or sudo poweroff.
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[21:36] -groupcat- [Olympic Global Notice] freenode wishes all of the Olympic competitors the best of luck in the upcoming Olympic Games, the opening ceremony kicks off in a little under 30 minutes. A very British Hurrah to all!
[21:36] <adekto> also in that mail; Once your order has been despatched we will send you further details on shipment and courier
[21:36] <thrawed> adekto: CALL THEM
[21:36] <martk100> thrawed: Back to my original point is libyajl.so available?
[21:36] <adekto> i cant there french
[21:37] <Ionic`> write emailz
[21:37] <Ionic`> gosh
[21:37] <Ionic`> it's not that hard nowdays
[21:37] <adekto> i had to put there email true google translater
[21:37] <Ionic`> you don't even have to send pigeons anymore
[21:37] <mikma> adekto: screw email, screw phone. don't do anything and cry deeply
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[21:38] <thrawed> martk100: have you got debian-multimedia?
[21:38] <martk100> thrawed: NO what is it?
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[21:42] -groupcat- [Olympic Global Notice] P.S. I was meant to say, talk about the games in ##olympics.
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[22:33] <j0n45> hi guys
[22:33] <j0n45> does anyone know an example on how to read PWM data from the gpio?
[22:33] <thrawed> j0n45: hi
[22:33] <ukscone> a parachuting queen my life is complete
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[22:34] <thrawed> ukscone: it was a lizard in a costume
[22:34] <j0n45> using C
[22:34] <mikma> ukscone: yeah
[22:34] <j0n45> and the bcm2835 library
[22:34] <ukscone> probably
[22:34] <j0n45> ?
[22:35] <mikma> did you ask google?
[22:35] <j0n45> yeah
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[22:35] <j0n45> but i'm a much of a newbee
[22:35] <j0n45> :$
[22:36] <thrawed> you should consult the book of knowledge
[22:36] <j0n45> ???
[22:36] <DrLuke> Hi, does anybody know what I have to do to use i2c under arch linux?
[22:36] <j0n45> :D
[22:36] <mikma> so if i type "raspberry pi pwm data gpio" in there i won't be finding the answer in the first 3 webpages?
[22:36] <j0n45> using the bcm2835 library
[22:36] <j0n45> i found somethings but using python
[22:36] <j0n45> and some other library
[22:37] <j0n45> but i wanted to use this from the builder
[22:38] <thrawed> gosh
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[22:44] <thrawed> j0n45: google pwm gpio, first link
[22:45] <plazia> I'm trying to log in after booting the pi with user: pi and password: raspberry but it's not having any of it? has the password to the images been changed recently?
[22:45] <mikma> plazia: what image and where<+
[22:45] <thrawed> plazia: each distro has a different password
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[22:47] <j0n45> lol
[22:48] <plazia> raspbian_wheezy_20120608.img
[22:48] <plazia> I thought that's the official one so I'll try that
[22:48] <mikma> hmm nope
[22:48] <mikma> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
[22:48] <plazia> I keep being asked if it's the keyboard but the keyboard is fine. When I type raspberry (the password) into the login field it seems to echo all chars fine without duplicate keypresses.
[22:48] <plazia> numlock/capslock variations.
[22:48] <mikma> plazia: http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/images/raspbian/2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian/2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.zip
[22:49] <plazia> I can't fathom this. I'm trying "pi" (without quotes) as the username and "raspberry" (without quotes) as the password
[22:49] <plazia> mikma thanks. seems there's a newer build.
[22:49] <mikma> latest and greatest
[22:49] <plazia> zomg!!11
[22:49] <plazia> seems I'm using raspbian_wheezy when I should be using wheezy-raspbian! :)
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[22:50] <mikma> it might just be an older version
[22:50] <plazia> ah right.
[22:50] <mikma> name doesn't matter, the place you downloaed it from matters the most
[22:50] <plazia> thanks mikma
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[23:04] <DrLuke> How do I use i2c? For some reason the devices don't show up in /dev
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[23:05] <home> guys
[23:05] <home> i got an idea
[23:06] <home> for a kickastarter that involves raspberry pi
[23:06] <DrLuke> it already sucks
[23:06] <home> not sure if the raspberry pi supports it thoughj
[23:07] <home> kernel wise
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[23:09] <dirty_d> what is it?
[23:09] <dirty_d> DrLuke, use bootc's kernel if you arent already
[23:10] <DrLuke> dirty_d, I have to excuse myself for being a real beginner concerning everything linux: how do I do that?
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[23:11] <DrLuke> dirty_d: Also, I've let rpi-updater run once
[23:11] <dirty_d> I've never used it but i believe that installs the latest official kernel
[23:11] <tekniq> DrLuke: http://www.bootc.net/projects/raspberry-pi-kernel/
[23:11] <dirty_d> well you can just download his kernel image
[23:11] <dirty_d> or compile it yourself
[23:12] <tekniq> for a beginner i think downloading it might be easier
[23:12] <dirty_d> but some things you want might not be enabled if you just download the image
[23:12] <DrLuke> dirty_d: That's only debian though, right? I'm using arch linux
[23:12] <dirty_d> DrLuke, nah a kernel is a kernel it will work with any distro
[23:12] <dirty_d> well as long as its for the same system
[23:13] <DrLuke> ah
[23:13] <DrLuke> so I download his .deb kernel then
[23:13] <dirty_d> every distro is secretly pretty much exactly the same other than the package manager and file paths etc
[23:13] <DrLuke> well yeah
[23:13] <DrLuke> it's just different flavours of linux
[23:14] <DrLuke> I use arch because I don't like apt, it broke things for me way too often
[23:14] <DrLuke> pacman is super comfortable on the other hand
[23:14] <dirty_d> yea I've used arch for years
[23:15] <dirty_d> you can compile packages from source like gentoo if you need, or install binaries if you want
[23:15] <dirty_d> best of both worlds
[23:16] <Berry_HK> which USB BT key do you use, apart from the HCL listed ones
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[23:19] <Ionic`> sirpizalot? *hungry*
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[23:20] <sirspazzolot> dude I was just thinking about ordering pizza
[23:20] <Ionic`> I haven't eaten for a day meh
[23:22] <DrLuke> eh, how do I unpack a .deb file under arch?
[23:22] <DrLuke> nvm I'll do it on my netbook
[23:22] <Ionic`> DrLuke: ar x foo.deb
[23:22] <home> can u use fedora with raspberry pi
[23:22] <Ionic`> and then tar -xzvf data.tar.gz
[23:23] <Ionic`> home: AFAIK fedora has a pi variant
[23:23] <home> I wonder if my Wacom tablet works with the raspberry pi
[23:23] <DrLuke> thanks Ionic
[23:24] <home> would be cool.. I know that with the latest kernel changes, my tablet is detected and touch is working awesome...
[23:24] <home> but does that apply to the raspberry pi?
[23:24] <home> There is a specific function that I want it to do
[23:26] <dirty_d> what?
[23:26] <Ionic`> home: rpi is using 3.1.something
[23:26] <home> should work then
[23:26] <Ionic`> "with the latest kernel changes" => uhm, prolly not
[23:27] <dirty_d> home, im confused, what are you actually trying to do with the raspberry pi?
[23:27] <home> I want to know, if it will support my usb tablet, out of the box...
[23:28] <dirty_d> support your tablet?
[23:28] <dirty_d> what does that mean
[23:28] <dirty_d> your tablet is its own system
[23:28] <sirspazzolot> ionic` two years ago I kind of broke and couldn't eat or sleep for four days
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[23:28] <sirspazzolot> it was pretty strange
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[23:29] <dirty_d> whats stranger is i think I've never NOT eaten a day in my life
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[23:29] <dirty_d> maybe in the army
[23:30] <dirty_d> but i dont think so
[23:30] <Ionic`> sirspazzolot: i've had that 2 month ago.
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[23:41] <Maior> so Raspbian is flavour of the day, right? how do I tell if I'm running it?
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[23:41] <Berry_HK> anyone has BT on the RasPi?
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[23:41] <Maior> I assume it identifies as such in /etc/issue{,.net}?
[23:42] <maicod> hi I'd like to compare the performance of my 2 Pi's. besides /cat/cpuinfo is there a benchmark util I can use >?
[23:44] <maicod> LOL I meant cat /proc/cpuinfo and looking for the bogomips :)
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[23:44] <Maior> maicod: google "linux benchmark tools" and try some things?
[23:45] <Ionic`> maicod you little <3
[23:45] <maicod> hi ionic :)
[23:45] <Maior> (I suspect most binaries will be x86 so you may need to recompile etc.)
[23:45] <maicod> what little what am I :)
[23:45] <maicod> yeah :(
[23:45] <Ionic`> dunno :P
[23:45] <maicod> hahaha
[23:45] <Ionic`> still waiting for my hdd case to arrive
[23:46] <tcial> Does apt-get compile the binary when you run it?
[23:46] <tcial> so apt-get install <lalala>?
[23:46] <maicod> ionic: I rewrote an image of the corrupted SD back to it and expected the first pi would fail with e2fsck again but it didnt !
[23:46] <maicod> afaik its not compiling
[23:46] <Ionic`> yeah, weird indeed
[23:46] <maicod> its just getting the right binary
[23:46] <Ionic`> lol
[23:46] <Ionic`> tcial: no!
[23:46] <Ionic`> unless you use apt-get source -b <lalala>
[23:46] <Ionic`> then yes
[23:47] <tcial> Ah
[23:47] <tcial> THanks :)
[23:47] <tcial> I was wondering
[23:47] <maicod> ionic: I am now thinking it isnt broken but since its been corrupting the SD a couple of times only time will tell
[23:47] <Ionic`> but that's not really interesting for you
[23:47] <Ionic`> as you don't want to compile on the pi (unless you have a nice setup)
[23:47] <Ionic`> and why would you
[23:47] <maicod> ionic: you did compile this morning :)
[23:47] <Ionic`> maicod: maybe the SD card is faulty? did you check with another one?
[23:48] <maicod> for me :)
[23:48] <Ionic`> maicod: by hand, yeah
[23:48] <Ionic`> cause archlinux for rpi didn't have memtester in its repo
[23:48] <Ionic`> else I would have told you to pacman -S memtester
[23:48] <maicod> ionic: this time it was still the same card but I will use another one to be sure
[23:48] <maicod> ionic: yeah like ./configure | make
[23:48] <Ionic`> hehe, memtester doesn't use autotools
[23:48] <Ionic`> i.e. autoconf
[23:49] <maicod> I know how to do that but I haven't yet got gcc installed
[23:49] <maicod> oh
[23:49] <maicod> i've never used gcc by hand :)
[23:49] <maicod> gcc ..................
[23:49] <Ionic`> well
[23:49] <Ionic`> it does use a makefile
[23:49] <maicod> oh OK
[23:50] <Ionic`> but not configure
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[23:50] <f8ba208e18_> hi. do you guys think this http://www.amazon.ca/16GB-Voigon-Class-SecureDigital-Capacity/dp/B006PJHL1G/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1343425537&sr=8-17 will work on the pi?
[23:50] <maicod> ionic: yeah I've seen that many times. that it only needs a make command and not a ./configure
[23:50] <Ionic`> f8ba208e18_: check the page
[23:51] <f8ba208e18_> the page
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[23:51] <Ionic`> f8ba208e18_: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals that
[23:51] <f8ba208e18_> ty
[23:51] <Ionic`> "voigon" isn't listed though
[23:51] <Ionic`> so: who knows
[23:51] <f8ba208e18_> yeah.. i'll try to find another cheap one
[23:52] <johntramp> i am having trouble getting a wireless usb working. the device shows in iwconfig, but when i ifconfig wlan0 up, it goes down straight away. have any of you come across this? (archlinux-arm)
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[23:53] <Ionic`> johntramp: carl9170?
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[23:53] <johntramp> realtek iirc
[23:53] <simcop2387> is 550mA enough to run a pi?
[23:53] <Ionic`> lol, realtek
[23:53] <Ionic`> have fun
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[23:53] <Ionic`> simcop2387: short answer: no
[23:53] <f8ba208e18_> simcop2387: 750 is the recommended mA
[23:54] <Ionic`> simcop2387: it can use up to 700mA, so your supply should probably go for 1A
[23:54] <johntramp> Ionic`: oh? :(
[23:54] <johntramp> Ionic`: it worked find on my desktop pc
[23:54] <maicod> ionic: I checked a sdcard speed review page and looked at random write speed of small blocks (4KB) and this card was one of the best so I ordered it: http://www.ebay.nl/itm/220760558772?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[23:54] <simcop2387> Ionic`: long answer, with a better switching supply on the board instead of the linear regulator it can i think. i figured it was too low, damn.
[23:54] <Ionic`> johntramp: powering the raspi via USB is *not* recommended
[23:55] <maicod> 500ma is max and is too little huh
[23:55] <maicod> usb 2.0 allows max 500 ma per port
[23:55] <thrawed> maicod: max for what?
[23:55] <maicod> for USB port
[23:55] <Ionic`> maicod: i have the same
[23:55] <sam> would anyone running raspbian have a few seconds to let me know whether a binary I just cross-compiled works properly on a real Raspberry Pi?
[23:56] <thrawed> maicod: sure, but not everything follows the spec
[23:56] <maicod> ionic: cool ! does it work fine ?
[23:56] <sam> it uses OpenGL so I cannot test it in the emulator
[23:56] <Ionic`> maicod: so far?
[23:56] <simcop2387> sam: if i had a supply for it... :)
[23:56] <maicod> ionic: yeah ?
[23:56] <Ionic`> but I haven't written a lot of data to it
[23:56] <maicod> OK
[23:56] <Ionic`> only system upgrade, isntalled pacakges like gcc etc
[23:56] <maicod> it wasnt expensive
[23:56] <maicod> and looked speedy
[23:56] <sam> simcop2387: I don't even have a RPi yet so you're luckier than me :)
[23:56] <Ionic`> it gives me 18MB/s
[23:56] <maicod> seems fine :)
[23:56] <f8ba208e18_> do any of you guys use an external hard drive on the pi? do you have to install any packages?
[23:56] <Ionic`> and has 32GB and seems to work fine
[23:57] <maicod> yeah ionic: you can expand the ext2 system partition with gparted or such
[23:57] <simcop2387> sam: yea i wasn't expecting mine until november, so i'm scrambling to find what i can to run it. i might eventually use my usb 3.0 hub i got for charging my phone (it'll do 1 A without any negotiation)
[23:57] <Ionic`> f8ba208e18_: usb mass storage support should really be included in your kernel
[23:57] <sam> the binary is at http://zoy.org/~sam/raspi/05_easymesh and unfortunately it doesn't have keyboard support yet so it needs to be killed remotely
[23:57] <maicod> to 30 GB or so
[23:57] <Ionic`> maicod: expand? :p
[23:57] <f8ba208e18_> Ionic`: so there isn't rea`lly any point in having a SD card larger than 2gb, right?
[23:57] <Ionic`> yeah, sure
[23:57] <maicod> yeah expand
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[23:58] <Ionic`> f8ba208e18_: uhm, depends? why would you use an USB HDD if a 32GB SD card is all you'll ever need for your rpi?
[23:58] <Ionic`> really depends on what you want to do
[23:58] <f8ba208e18_> well I plan to download a lot.
[23:58] <plugwash> Ionic`, because SD cards SUCK at random writes
[23:58] <Ionic`> also, new and big cards tend to be faster
[23:59] <Ionic`> thus I wouldn't recommend getting a 2GB SD card
[23:59] <ReggieUK> Ionic`, 3.1.9 I believe
[23:59] <ReggieUK> whoops
[23:59] <Ionic`> ReggieUK: something along those lines, yeah
[23:59] <f8ba208e18_> I think i'll get a 8gb class 10
[23:59] <maicod> ionic: the extreme card wasnt only good in sequential writes but also in small blocks random writes the site showed me
[23:59] <Ionic`> or 3.2.something staging
[23:59] <Ionic`> but that's unstable and everything
[23:59] <f8ba208e18_> anything bad about microSDs in an SD adapter?
[23:59] <Ionic`> maicod: yeah

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