#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-07-28

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[0:00] <maicod> it works here :)
[0:00] <maicod> ionic: did you order it from the same guy ?
[0:00] <maicod> he's german :)
[0:00] <ReggieUK> f8ba208e18_ yeah, they start galactic wars if you leave them in long enough
[0:00] <Ionic`> maicod: nah, Amazon
[0:00] <maicod> oh hehe
[0:00] <maicod> we aint got amazon
[0:00] <f8ba208e18_> ReggieUK: wat
[0:00] <Ionic`> ReggieUK: pew pew
[0:00] <ReggieUK> no there is nothing bad about microSDs in an sd adapter
[0:01] <f8ba208e18_> oh... okay. sorry I didn't get the joke :(
[0:01] <ReggieUK> indeed
[0:01] <Ionic`> microSD cards are more expensive for the most part
[0:01] <maicod> and they always charge handling/postage and whatever so it gets too expensive to order @ amazon and amazon doesnt export storage media to NL
[0:01] <maicod> cause of dutch law I think
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[0:01] <Ionic`> so economically it doesn't make sense using microSD cards
[0:01] <f8ba208e18_> Ionic`: sure thing but I'm having a hard time finding any SD cards relevant on ebay/amazon
[0:01] <maicod> some of those adapter have bad connections
[0:01] <maicod> adapters
[0:01] <patchie> cant i connect a ps2 keyboard with converter to usb, with rpi?
[0:02] <Ionic`> maicod: aww, I hear you... but what
[0:02] <Ionic`> amazon doesn't ship for free to NL?
[0:02] <Ionic`> AFAIK they do
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[0:02] <NullMoogleCable> ive had 3 bad micro sd card adapters...
[0:02] <maicod> ionic: amazon in usa doesnt ship storage media to NL
[0:02] <Ionic`> amazon.co.uk has free shipping
[0:02] <maicod> dunno about german amazon
[0:02] <Ionic`> but amazon.co.uk does!
[0:02] <maicod> ah
[0:02] <Ionic`> free shipping to NL
[0:02] <maicod> oh good
[0:03] <Ionic`> that is, if you buy from amazon
[0:03] <maicod> hehe yeah
[0:03] <Ionic`> not from the marketplace retailers
[0:03] <Ionic`> that's some other story
[0:03] <SgrA> I built omxplayer-git from AUR on Arch, but when I try to play a video, nothing happens. hello_pi/hello_video doesn't output anything when I try to run test.h264 either.
[0:03] <maicod> oh yeah
[0:03] <maicod> english post I always call royal fail instead of royal mail cause it takes over a week shipping from UK to NL :)
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[0:04] <Ionic`> maicod: amazon.de has free shipping for germany, austria, belgium, liechtenstein, luxembourg, netherlands, switzerland
[0:04] <maicod> OK good to know
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[0:04] <Ionic`> I know this stuff because I wondered how there is no amazon.fi two days ago
[0:04] <Ionic`> and how finns get their stuff
[0:04] <maicod> LOL
[0:04] <maicod> haha and you aint a finn ? :)
[0:04] <Ionic`> turns out, amazon.co.uk is shipping for free to .fi so
[0:04] <Ionic`> nah I'm not
[0:05] <maicod> OK :)
[0:05] <Ionic`> I'm just weird
[0:05] <maicod> hehe
[0:05] <Ionic`> thinking about weird stuff
[0:05] <maicod> don't worrry :)
[0:05] <maicod> did you see Germany enter the stadium ?
[0:05] <maicod> Netherlands still not coming . India is now
[0:05] <Ionic`> oh, but...
[0:05] <Ionic`> what?
[0:05] <NullMoogleCable> im working on a ultimate power / breakout board for the pi :)
[0:05] <Ionic`> stadium?
[0:05] <maicod> olympics
[0:06] <Ionic`> I hate sports, go away!
[0:06] <maicod> OK :)))))
[0:06] <maicod> haha
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[0:06] <Ionic`> (free shipping => only if the stuff you order from amazon directly is worth 20 EUR or higher)
[0:06] <maicod> you're made out of Ions :)
[0:06] <NullMoogleCable> I so want to interface my reprap to my pi :)
[0:06] <Ionic`> that's the ceavat
[0:06] <maicod> oh well
[0:06] <maicod> the card was like 22 euros
[0:07] <maicod> yeah 21,99
[0:07] <Ionic`> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_492868_top_fre?nodeId=1204872
[0:07] <Ionic`> http://www.amazon.de/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_504938_kfl/?ie=UTF8&nodeId=13464781
[0:07] <Ionic`> ok, co.uk is 25 gbp
[0:07] <Ionic`> rip-off!
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[0:08] <Ionic`> just to educate you
[0:08] <Ionic`> the only problem I see is language
[0:08] <Ionic`> as amazon.de can't be set to English for some stupid reason
[0:09] <Ionic`> (interestingly, amazon.jp can)
[0:09] <SgrA> I built omxplayer-git from AUR on Arch, but when I try to play a video, nothing happens. hello_pi/hello_video doesn't output anything when I try to run test.h264 either.
[0:10] <Dyskette> SgrA, what memory split are you using?
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[0:10] <SgrA> 224+32
[0:10] <Dyskette> That'll likely be why.
[0:10] <SgrA> Should I try 192+64?
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[0:10] <Dyskette> At least, yeah.
[0:11] <SgrA> Rebooting now. :)
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[0:12] <Ionic`> hmm
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[0:12] <Ionic`> can't I use some 254+2 memory split or something?
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[0:13] <Ionic`> probably not
[0:13] <Dyskette> Ionic`, not really, you need some memory for the GPU to drive the display.
[0:13] <Ionic`> Dyskette: yeah, what display again?
[0:13] <Ionic`> I'm not using a display ;)
[0:13] <Ionic`> so I couldn't care less
[0:14] <Ionic`> and 2M should still be enough for the GPU to work
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[0:15] <SgrA> Dyskette, Yah, that does it.
[0:15] <Dyskette> SgrA, excellent :)
[0:15] <SgrA> Thx :)
[0:16] <maicod> ionic: I wasnt on the irc screen :)
[0:16] <maicod> ionic: I can read german and english don't worry :)
[0:16] <aaa801> How can i delete the unpartioned space in a full disk image
[0:16] <Ionic`> no problem
[0:16] <maicod> but 25 GBP is more than 22 euros huh :)
[0:17] <Ionic`> yeah
[0:17] <maicod> ionicL what part of germany are u ?
[0:17] <Ionic`> ripoff!
[0:17] <maicod> yeah LOL
[0:17] <Ionic`> south-western
[0:17] <maicod> ah OK
[0:17] <maicod> oh you were the one I spoke to 3 weeks ago too ! now I realize
[0:18] <maicod> you were near francew
[0:18] <maicod> -w
[0:18] <Ionic`> right
[0:18] <Ionic`> karlsruhe
[0:18] <maicod> hehe
[0:18] <maicod> I'm up NW :)
[0:18] <Dyskette> aaa801, http://elinux.org/RPi_Resize_Flash_Partitions
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[0:18] <aaa801> Dyskette: not what i need
[0:18] <Dyskette> Oh wait, no nevermind.
[0:19] <Dyskette> Compressing it wouldn't work for you?
[0:19] <aaa801> No i need to get rid of the unpartioned space so i can distribute the image
[0:19] <aaa801> otherwise its like 12gb
[0:19] <aaa801> instead of 2gb
[0:19] <maicod> ionic: what I meant was that I loaded ubuntu in vmware and used gparted in X to resize the system partition to max out the 16 GB of my current card
[0:19] <Dyskette> Then I'm afraid I have no idea.
[0:19] <maicod> I moved swap first
[0:19] <Dyskette> Sorry, tired, completely misread your question.
[0:20] <Ionic`> maicod: was that really directed to me?
[0:20] <maicod> ionic: yeah earlier I said I enlarged the partition
[0:21] <maicod> you asked 'enlarge ?'
[0:21] <Ionic`> oh
[0:21] <Ionic`> yeah, sure, I know
[0:21] <maicod> :)
[0:21] <Ionic`> that's perfectly legit and what I did too
[0:21] <Ionic`> but they were talking about osmething else, I guess
[0:21] <ziltro> aaa801: Using dd, tell it to only copy the first (eg.) 2GB?
[0:21] <maicod> edited fstab to accompany a new partition?
[0:21] <ziltro> Assuming the partitions are all < 2 GB
[0:21] <aaa801> the whole disk is 2gb
[0:22] <aaa801> but i riped it with the windows tool
[0:22] <maicod> yeah sorry but dyskettes question was remembering me about my own story
[0:22] <ziltro> Oh, windows...
[0:22] <aaa801> i have linux vm aswell
[0:23] <maicod> ionic: I never realised ubuntu only is ported for x86 before !
[0:23] <Ionic`> uhm is it?
[0:24] <ziltro> aaa801: So you've copied from a 2GB SD card, or a 12 GB SD card? And you now have a 12 GB file which includes the partition table, and you only want the first 2GB? is that anything like correct?
[0:24] <aaa801> 32gb sdcard
[0:24] <aaa801> and ye
[0:24] <aaa801> i just killed it about 30% through as it would of got the needed data
[0:24] <ziltro> Ah... Might want to check somehow... ;)
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[0:24] <aaa801> i did
[0:24] <aaa801> the partitions are on there
[0:25] <ziltro> dd if=image of=smallerimage bs=1M count=2048
[0:25] <ziltro> If I got the maffs right.
[0:25] <aaa801> o lord its soo simple now
[0:25] <aaa801> xD
[0:25] <ziltro> That should run in Cygwin or Linux
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[0:25] <ziltro> Actually you could copy it off of the card that way, if you hadn't done that bit already.
[0:26] <maicod> ziltro: what is the count parameter for?
[0:26] * SpeedEvil wonders what the largest result is for an 'innocuous' package add.
[0:26] <SpeedEvil> For example, pidgin is 130M
[0:26] <Ionic`> crap
[0:26] <ziltro> If the partitions are there then you've correctly managed to copy ... the first 4kB? :)
[0:26] <Maior> ....well that was remarkably easy to get WiFi sorted
[0:26] <Ionic`> Y U NO DRINK
[0:27] <Maior> (aside from not having my wpa_supplicant.conf sorted)
[0:27] <ziltro> maicod: How many blocks to copy. Block size 1 MB, 2048 ?? 1 MB = 2 GB
[0:27] <Ionic`> I just noticed I haven't had any water today
[0:27] <Ionic`> what's wrong with me
[0:27] <aaa801> ziltro: wouldnt that screw with the partition table a bit
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[0:27] <ziltro> aaa801: If there are no partitions defined going past 2GB it won't.
[0:27] <aaa801> ok
[0:28] <maicod> ziltro: ah its needed if you dont want to image all of the device
[0:28] <ziltro> The partition table doesn't know the size of the disk. Or at least I don't think it does...
[0:28] <maicod> ionic: thats not good
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[0:28] <maicod> ionic: drink some
[0:28] <Ionic`> I just did
[0:28] <maicod> OK cool
[0:28] <ziltro> maicod: Yes, exactly. Gets the first 2GB. You can use skip=x if you want to skip x blocks at the beginning too.
[0:28] <Mlmmt> how to properly partition a SD card with a windows PC?
[0:28] <Ionic`> but I wonder why I haven't been thirsty
[0:28] <maicod> ziltro: ok thanks
[0:28] <Ionic`> something's gotta be wrong with me
[0:28] <Mlmmt> or is it easier to just boot into linux off a usb drive?
[0:29] <maicod> ionic: low bloodsugar ?
[0:29] <maicod> high makes u drink
[0:29] <ziltro> Mlmmt: Does windows disk manager not allow you to do it?
[0:29] <maicod> low makes u not drink I think
[0:29] <Ionic`> dunno hmm
[0:29] <Ionic`> well, ok probably
[0:29] <maicod> I aint a medic either :)
[0:29] <Ionic`> haven't eaten anything either
[0:29] <maicod> ouch not so good
[0:30] <ziltro> Are you a zombee?
[0:30] <Ionic`> BRAINS!
[0:30] <ziltro> If you are then I think not eating or drinking is okay.
[0:30] <maicod> he's only made up out of ions :)
[0:30] <Ionic`> I thought about eating
[0:30] <ziltro> I do that.
[0:30] <ziltro> Eating is so annoying though.
[0:30] <Ionic`> then came to the conclusion that it's too much effort
[0:31] <Ionic`> and stopped thinking about it
[0:31] <maicod> LOL
[0:31] <maicod> like me being lazy to get the voltage metre out huh :)
[0:31] <maicod> or meter whatever its spelt
[0:31] <ziltro> Talking of volts...
[0:32] <Ionic`> oh right
[0:32] <Ionic`> volts
[0:32] <Ionic`> my battery should be recharged
[0:32] <Ionic`> hmm nah I'll leave it in
[0:32] <ziltro> http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs Can I run power Raspberry Pi from batteries as well as from a wall socket? Yes. The device should run well off 4 x AA cells.
[0:32] <ziltro> 6 volts?
[0:32] <maicod> ziltro: it has a vreg builtin I guess
[0:32] <maicod> the Pi
[0:32] <Ionic`> it does
[0:32] <maicod> OK :)
[0:32] <ziltro> Peopel on here have been saying 6 volts is badness and death.
[0:33] <Ionic`> but wouldn't hurt to use an external one too
[0:33] <Ionic`> ziltro: yeah, 4xAA + vreg to 5VDC
[0:33] <maicod> ionic: the vreg can take maybe up to 12 volts ?
[0:33] <Ionic`> maicod: I don't think so
[0:33] <maicod> oh
[0:33] <Ionic`> only slight overvoltage, I guess
[0:34] <ziltro> I don't think any regulators can do 6v > 5v, they would require 7v or higher?
[0:34] <maicod> but the AA batteries won't hurt it huh?
[0:34] <ziltro> 4 NiMH cells would be 4.8v
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[0:34] <maicod> yeah but 4x alkaline ?
[0:34] <Ionic`> hmmm
[0:34] <IT_Sean> 6v
[0:34] <ziltro> 6v, ... can they do 700 mA?
[0:34] <IT_Sean> alkies are 1.5v each.
[0:35] <maicod> alkalines can reach high currents I think
[0:35] <ziltro> NiMH can do higher current
[0:35] <maicod> oh
[0:35] <maicod> what is the lowest voltage the Pi can run on?
[0:36] <Ionic`> 4.75
[0:36] <Maior> huzzah, wifi works
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[0:36] <maicod> oh not much lower than my volt meter said I had :) 4.85-4.90
[0:36] <Ionic`> I know, yeah
[0:36] <maicod> but its more about the amps available too :)
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[0:38] <maicod> ionic: think I gonna use http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/2012060305233870/RaspberryPi-Benchmarks.html
[0:38] <maicod> hardinfo
[0:39] <Ionic`> ok? :p
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[0:39] <maicod> guess its available as dpkg ?
[0:39] <maicod> is there a site where you can check the repository?
[0:40] <ziltro> there's 'apt-cache search'
[0:40] <Ionic`> dunno
[0:40] <Ionic`> but arch does
[0:40] <Ionic`> community/hardinfo 0.5.1-5
[0:40] <Ionic`> A system information and benchmark tool.
[0:40] <maicod> OK then I'll use arch
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[0:40] <Ionic`> gtkperv too
[0:40] <Ionic`> but I guess raspbian has that too
[0:40] <maicod> what again is pacman's commandline ?
[0:40] <maicod> to install
[0:40] <Ionic`> for installing stuff?
[0:40] <maicod> yea
[0:40] <Ionic`> pacman -S hardinfo gtkperf
[0:41] <maicod> OK
[0:41] <maicod> thanks
[0:41] <Ionic`> you may want to update first though
[0:41] <Ionic`> nah
[0:41] <Ionic`> just use Raspbian
[0:41] <Ionic`> arch is overly complicated for you
[0:41] <maicod> oh I will download the zip then
[0:41] <Ionic`> sorry
[0:41] <maicod> oh :(
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[0:41] <maicod> rasbian is debian ?
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[0:43] <maicod> ionic: I didnt realize the debian6-19-04-2012 was called raspbian :)
[0:43] <maicod> theyve got a newer one on the site though called weezy so I think I'll get that one
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[0:44] <Ionic`> maicod: it's *not* the same
[0:44] <Ionic`> raspbian is "better" than this debian6 image
[0:44] <plugwash> raspbian is what you get if you take debian armhf, change the compiler defaults to produce code that will run on the Pi and then rebuild everything
[0:44] <Ionic`> because it uses the hardware co-processor for floating point operations, the official debian image doesn't
[0:45] <Maior> bah I need to move to Raspbian
[0:45] <Maior> turns out I'm not using it
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[0:45] <sam> actually there is a version of Debian built for hardfp, but the RasPi CPU can't run it
[0:45] <maicod> ionic: ah thanks for explaining that
[0:45] <Ionic`> sam: because that's for ARMv7
[0:45] <sam> yes
[0:46] <Ionic`> RPi uses a ARMv6+hfloat cpu
[0:46] <Ionic`> due to cost reasons IIRC
[0:47] <Mazon> "2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.zip" <-- "this is the image we recommend you use"
[0:47] <Ionic`> yeah
[0:47] <sam> damn, cross compilation is so dazzlingly fast
[0:48] <sam> I can't believe someone here suggested that I build natively
[0:48] <NucWin> its better for linking i think sam
[0:48] <NucWin> from what ive been told / read
[0:48] <NucWin> ive been building native + distcc
[0:49] <Ionic`> sam: my goal is to build LibreOffice on this device, natively :D
[0:49] <maicod> ionic: I'm dying to see if there's speed difference between my 2 Pi's LOL
[0:49] <sam> NucWin: distcc running cross-compilers?
[0:49] <NucWin> yes
[0:49] <NucWin> but the linking is still done on pi
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[0:50] <Ionic`> maicod: there should be none, really :/
[0:50] <NucWin> and some packages seem to be set not to build with distcc
[0:50] <dirty_d> archlinux-arm uses pandaboards
[0:51] <dirty_d> dual core 1.2GHz
[0:51] <dirty_d> 1GB ram
[0:51] <dirty_d> i wonder how much faster that actually is
[0:51] <dirty_d> time wise
[0:51] <plugwash> but USB based storage and network :/
[0:51] <maicod> ionic: indeed :)
[0:51] <NucWin> i suspect 3x+
[0:51] <maicod> ionic: maybe the memory brand makes difference :)
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[0:51] <dirty_d> yea memory could be much faster
[0:51] <NucWin> have had quite a bit of swap thrashing trying to build archarm for v6hf
[0:52] <plugwash> according to converstations I've had with steeve there have been stability problems with pandas under heavy network/storage load in the past
[0:52] <plugwash> though I think that may be fixed now
[0:52] <maicod> dirty_d: which is best the Hynix or the Samsung ?
[0:52] <sam> Ionic`: for real? (LibreOffice)
[0:52] <dirty_d> maicod, i have no idea what you even mean, lol
[0:52] <sam> even my small personal project takes 3 hours to build
[0:53] <plugwash> I know debian builds libreoffice natively on IMX boards
[0:53] <plugwash> and yes it takes a while
[0:53] <dirty_d> why use office programs on a pi though
[0:53] <maicod> dirty_d: one of the Pi's I got uses Hynix memory and the other Samsung memory
[0:53] <Ionic`> sam: for real!
[0:53] <dirty_d> maicod, oh, i dunno its probably the same
[0:53] <maicod> we'll see :)
[0:53] <Ionic`> maicod: shouldn't
[0:53] <maicod> LOL
[0:53] <Ionic`> sam: "because I can"
[0:54] <maicod> nope it shouldnt
[0:54] <maicod> its fairer for the users
[0:54] <NucWin> Ionic` if your gonna try libre native i would use distcc otherwise you wont finish building it before the next version is out
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[0:54] <dirty_d> i bought a usb wifi adapter for my rpi yesterday
[0:55] <Ionic`> NucWin: no, my goal is to build LibreOffice natively
[0:55] <Ionic`> not to actually use it
[0:55] <dirty_d> so its probably gonna be a wireless media center until i can get another to make a router
[0:55] * plugwash looks at the build status of libreofice in raspbian and notes it's currently been building for 25 hours
[0:55] <Ionic`> Just to have it done once in my life, because I can
[0:55] <NucWin> ahhhh the because you cant motive
[0:55] <NucWin> think thats why im trying to make archarm v6hf before the archarm team do it properly
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[0:56] * maicod is gonna be in the living room for now. hopefully benchmarking with rasbpian wheezy. bbl
[0:56] <Ionic`> ?
[0:56] <Ionic`> isn't arch using v6hf?
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[0:56] <NucWin> nopes v5 soft atm
[0:56] <dirty_d> softfp
[0:57] <NucWin> they do 5soft and 7hf
[0:57] <Ionic`> oh?
[0:57] <Ionic`> seriously?
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[0:57] <Ionic`> so the arch image I'm currently using is v5softfp?
[0:58] <dirty_d> yup
[0:58] <NucWin> ive been told they are looking into 6hf from couple of devs
[0:58] <Ionic`> oh
[0:58] <Ionic`> ok
[0:58] <dirty_d> theyre working on 5hf now
[0:58] <dirty_d> i mean 6
[0:58] <plugwash> 6hf shouldn't be too difficult if 7hf is already working
[0:58] <plugwash> the main thing is the time taken to rebuild everything
[0:58] <dirty_d> NucWin, wait, arch for rpi is v5?
[0:59] <NucWin> yups
[0:59] <plugwash> though IIRC arch is quite a bit smaller than debian
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[0:59] <dirty_d> how much of a difference will v6 be disregarding hardfp?
[0:59] <NucWin> not got a clue
[1:00] <NucWin> im about to put my arch packages onto an sd card and see if it works
[1:00] <dirty_d> all done?
[1:00] <NucWin> still missing a few though (including the kernel package lol)
[1:00] <Ionic`> hmmm
[1:00] <NucWin> going to use my gentoo kernel (if it works)
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[1:00] <Ionic`> well shouldn't armv6hf just be a matter of recompilation?
[1:01] <dirty_d> NucWin, the kernel is easy
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[1:01] <Ionic`> if the source is compiling on 5sf...
[1:01] <NucWin> yes but is complicated on 5sf to build 6hf packages
[1:01] <plugwash> Ionic`, it SHOULD just be a matter of recompilation
[1:01] <SgrA> I got to 1 GHz on the ARM, and 550 MHz on SDRAM without any overvolt. \o/
[1:01] <NucWin> im using gentoo v6hf to build them
[1:01] <Ionic`> plugwash: but?
[1:01] <dirty_d> NucWin, you just gotta set a config option to enable vpf
[1:01] <NucWin> nasty way but seems to work
[1:01] <plugwash> experiance with raspbian is that for most packages it is just a case of recompilation but there are a signficant minority of packages that need further attention
[1:02] <dirty_d> and i guess just cross compile with the vpf=hardfp
[1:02] <NucWin> its the problem of all the libraries and other packages being sf
[1:02] <dirty_d> im not even sure if the actual kernel does any floating point math though
[1:02] <NucWin> yeh ive had someone mention the kernel doesnt matter
[1:02] <dirty_d> just the config option does though i believe
[1:03] <dirty_d> i think the kernel needs to know to save the fpu regs between context switches or something
[1:03] <NucWin> im going on holiday sunday to plan is to have a hf arch system working then i can leave the pi brute force trying to build all the packages
[1:03] <plugwash> dirty_d, it does. but it needs to do that for code that uses hardware floating point but the soft-float ABI too
[1:03] <dirty_d> oh
[1:04] <dirty_d> whats the option do then?
[1:04] <NucWin> have made a nasty little perl script to find PKGBUILD files and try to make them disregarding the arch types and deps
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[1:04] <plugwash> there are three possible settings for floating point in fcc on arm "soft", "softfp" and "hard"
[1:04] <dirty_d> NucWin, you can just do makepkg -A to ignore arch
[1:04] <plugwash> soft makes it use software floating point
[1:04] <NucWin> yeh been using -Ad
[1:04] <dirty_d> plugwash, so there is floating point operations within the kernel then?
[1:05] <plugwash> dirty_d, not operations AIUI but there is register savings
[1:05] <plugwash> *register saving
[1:05] <plugwash> and as I said that applies to any userland code that uses the FPU regardless of whether it also uses the hard float ABI
[1:06] <opdenkamp> if there are people here running OpenELEC on the Pi and want to try to the new libCEC support (allowing you to control XBMC with your TV's remote): http://dropbox.pulse-eight.net/OpenELEC-RPi-libCEC-1.8.0.tar.bz2
[1:07] <plugwash> the "soft" setting in gcc makes it use software floating point and the soft float abi the "softfp" setting in gcc makes it build code that uses hardware floating point but the soft-float ABI the "hard" setting in gcc makes it use hardware floating point and the hard float ABI
[1:07] <opdenkamp> and if you test this and run into problems, please let me know
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[1:07] <dirty_d> yea
[1:09] <DrLuke> when I compile the bootc kernel, do I need to change anything from the standard config?
[1:09] <DrLuke> or: how do I use the previous config
[1:09] <dirty_d> DrLuke just copy your old .config to the source root
[1:09] <dirty_d> and run make oldconfig
[1:09] <dirty_d> and look carefully what its asking you
[1:10] <SgrA> I'm running at 1 GHz and 550 MHz SDRAM, and the chip is hot to touch lol.
[1:10] <DrLuke> dirty_d where do I find the old config
[1:10] <dirty_d> DrLuke, zcat /proc/config.gz
[1:10] <Crenn-NAS> nevyn: And I'm at the barcamp
[1:12] <DrLuke> dirty_d I am afraid I can't quite follow you
[1:12] <DrLuke> is /proc/config.gz the actual config file?
[1:12] <dirty_d> DrLuke, did that command show you anything?>
[1:12] <DrLuke> yes
[1:12] <dirty_d> ok
[1:12] <dirty_d> then do
[1:12] <dirty_d> DrLuke, zcat /proc/config.gz > ~/config
[1:13] <dirty_d> and then copy config to .config in the kernel source directory
[1:13] <dirty_d> youre compiling on the rpi right?
[1:13] <DrLuke> yes
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[1:14] <dirty_d> ok
[1:14] <DrLuke> does the folder in the source directory have to be called .config?
[1:14] <DrLuke> it doesn't exist yet
[1:14] <dirty_d> not a folder a text file
[1:14] <DrLuke> oh
[1:14] <dirty_d> that contains the stuff that zcat /proc/config.gz spit out
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[1:15] <DrLuke> ok, now it's in the sourcefolder. make oldconfig, right?
[1:15] <dirty_d> yea
[1:15] <dirty_d> its gonna ask you a bunch of questions
[1:15] <dirty_d> usually you can just use the default
[1:16] <dirty_d> but be confident in it
[1:16] <DrLuke> use common sense I guess
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[1:16] <Timmmaaaayyy_> does anyone have the link to the working .img for raspbmc? i assume the site still isn't working properly so you can't do the install
[1:16] <dirty_d> kinda
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[1:17] <dirty_d> DrLuke, its gonna ask you about the i2c driver
[1:17] <dirty_d> amke sure you answer Y
[1:17] <dirty_d> default is N
[1:17] <DrLuke> I will :)
[1:18] <sam> sorry to ask again, I'll stop after that, but could someone please try a small program I built for Raspbian and tell me whether it displays anything on a real Raspberry Pi? http://zoy.org/~sam/raspi/05_easymesh
[1:18] <sam> helping me will get you real games eventually :)
[1:19] <DrLuke> dirty_d: Physical address of main memory (PHYS_OFFSET) [] (NEW)
[1:20] <DrLuke> it doesn't have a default answer :S
[1:20] <dirty_d> 0 i think
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[1:23] <dirty_d> DrLuke, yup, enable CONFIG_ARM_PATCH_PHYS_VIRT=y
[1:23] <dirty_d> google brought me the a question i asked in here on this very problem, lol
[1:23] <dirty_d> creepy
[1:24] <dirty_d> http://srv.datagutt1.com/index.php?date=2012-07-01
[1:24] <DrLuke> uhm, it automatically skips that and set it to n
[1:24] <dirty_d> you need to change it to y
[1:24] <DrLuke> how?
[1:24] <dirty_d> you cna just edit it in a text editor if you want
[1:24] <dirty_d> but make menuconfig will let you change the settings
[1:25] <dirty_d> you jsut have to find it
[1:25] <DrLuke> oh man
[1:25] <DrLuke> why can't this be easy :P
[1:26] <DrLuke> enable AUDITSYSCALL ?
[1:26] <dirty_d> id use the default
[1:26] <DrLuke> doesn't ahve one
[1:26] <dirty_d> really?
[1:26] <DrLuke> oh wait
[1:26] <DrLuke> is the defualt the capitalized one?
[1:26] <dirty_d> yea
[1:26] <DrLuke> duh :P
[1:27] <dirty_d> yea just change the CONFIG_ARM_PATCH_PHYS_VIRT=y in a text editor
[1:27] <dirty_d> i cant even find it in the menuconfig
[1:27] <dirty_d> it might not be there
[1:28] <dirty_d> after youre done with oldconfig
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[1:29] <DrLuke> sure, thanks :)
[1:32] <DrLuke> the i2c and spi bus connetions are set to m by default
[1:32] <DrLuke> is that correct?
[1:34] <dirty_d> yea
[1:34] <dirty_d> m is basically y but as a loadable module
[1:34] <DrLuke> alright, this is awesome :)
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[1:55] <Maior> so hypothetically, what's a good way to test / standard symptoms of "USB devices drawing too much power"?
[1:56] <Maior> my wifi keeps dying, I see no obvious reason
[1:56] <IT_Sean> Does your Pi work?
[1:56] <Maior> IT_Sean: yes, 'tis just the USB wireless that seems to...stop
[1:56] <IT_Sean> sounds like USB /could/ be dropping off
[1:57] <Maior> I also have USB keyboard plugged in, which seems to continue to work
[1:57] <Maior> nothing obvious in dmesg
[1:57] <IT_Sean> What sort of PSU are you using, and how mauch are your USB devices drawing?
[1:57] <Maior> IT_Sean: USB port on my Aleutia H1; unknown
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[1:57] <Maior> (I mean, I expect it to be a power issue, I'm just wondering if I can confirm that by measurement rather than guesstimation)
[1:57] <Maior> (my background is very much software...)
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[1:58] <Timmmaaaayyy_> anyone know why you can't reboot when using raspbmc? shutdown -r now and init 6 don't do it. still requires pulling power
[1:58] <Maior> (filesystem kernel drivers are as close to the metal as I usually get)
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[2:07] <signpost> does anyone have experience installing usb printers in raspberry pi?
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[2:12] <Timmmaaaayyy_> dang???requesting the reboot from within xbmc doesn't do it either
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[2:13] <patchie> cant i connect a ps2 keyboard with converter to usb, with rpi?
[2:14] <Ahmagahz> ive heard it doesnt usually work
[2:14] <IT_Sean> depends on the keyboard and the converter
[2:14] <IT_Sean> is it an active or passive converter? If it's passive, does the keyboard support USB?
[2:15] <patchie> hmm..how do i see if its passive or active?
[2:15] <IT_Sean> Is it one of the little ones that came w/ a kayboard?
[2:15] <IT_Sean> *keyboard
[2:16] <patchie> the green ones?..those are the other way...from usb keyboard to ps2 computer
[2:16] <IT_Sean> ooh, right.
[2:16] <patchie> this is from ps2 keyboard to usb computer
[2:16] <IT_Sean> in that case, i have no bloody clue. Try it and see?
[2:16] <patchie> it didnt work..
[2:17] <patchie> the lights blinked 1 sec..then the keyboard died :(
[2:17] <patchie> why dont i have a f..in usb keyboard..lol.. :P
[2:17] <IT_Sean> Then no. It won't work. :p
[2:17] <Syliss> hmm
[2:18] <patchie> :/
[2:18] <IT_Sean> USB keyboards are not expensive..
[2:18] <patchie> wont a wireless usb keyboard work?
[2:18] <Syliss> yes
[2:19] <patchie> my problem is that i have waited for this moment since may :P ..and i didnt think of that i had to have a usb keyboard :P
[2:19] <patchie> Syliss: yes it will work? or yes it will not work? :P
[2:19] <IT_Sean> well... it does say on the raspiu website that the Pi has USB, not PS2
[2:19] <Syliss> it will work
[2:20] <patchie> yeah..i know..and i actually did know..hehe..just didnt think of it :P
[2:20] <patchie> Syliss: nice :)
[2:21] <Syliss> yeah i got lucky that i had a usb keyboard i got off newegg for $1
[2:21] <Syliss> now I'm using the lap dock with my pi
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[2:21] <IT_Sean> oooh... $1
[2:21] <IT_Sean> Nice score. :p
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[2:21] <patchie> ohh..hehe
[2:23] <aaa801> FINALY
[2:23] <aaa801> :D
[2:23] <Syliss> yeah they sent me a coupon for $10 off with $10 min purchase. So i got it for 99+ tax
[2:23] <patchie> have any of you played with arduino and rpi?
[2:24] <Syliss> .99*
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[2:26] <Maior> so the raspi PSUs - do they have a long lead time too, or is delivery fairly swift if you *just* want a PSU?
[2:27] <Syliss> ?
[2:28] <Maior> ...they're just generic aren't they - ignore me
[2:28] <Billiard> patchie: you mean together?
[2:28] <patchie> yeah
[2:28] <patchie> Billiard: http://omer.me/2012/05/introducing-ponte/
[2:28] <Billiard> rpi has 3v3 gpio, most arduinos are 5v, you have take that into account
[2:28] <patchie> Introducing Ponte: Arduino ? Raspberry Pi Bridge
[2:29] <patchie> ahh, yeah..dont know how they solved that problem, maybe another powersupply for arduino?
[2:30] <dirty_d> there are 3.3v avrs
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[2:34] <groszek> hi. would it possible to connect computer->rpi with usb, for powering it, AND at the same time use that usb line to communicate (usbnet) between them?
[2:35] <dirty_d> not enough power to power it
[2:35] <Maior> groszek: I don't believe the power input to the RPi does data (I may be wrong)
[2:35] <dirty_d> and theyre both USB hosts
[2:35] <Maior> dirty_d: I'm finding it does remarkably well...
[2:35] <groszek> reason for this, i am thinking about getting it as -kind of- usb network card with builtin firewall to it, with secure, separate managament
[2:35] <Maior> dirty_d: (aside from my wireless cutting out occasionally...)
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[2:35] <dirty_d> Maior, yea depends on your PC and the sub devices connected
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[2:36] <groszek> internet goes to rpi -> it has firewall -> nat my computer :)
[2:36] <patchie> i am powering my rpi via my pc.. (havent tested to try to connect to it)
[2:36] <Maior> dirty_d: nodnod (I've just bought a PSU from Amazon in hope of having some, like, wlan stability...)
[2:36] <dirty_d> i wonder why they didnt overspecify USB?
[2:37] <dirty_d> likse just say 1A to each port
[2:37] <dirty_d> its not really hard to do
[2:37] <dirty_d> so why not do it just in case
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[2:40] <groszek> i would really love to have such "firewall" card... any suggestions then?
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[2:41] <simcop2387> yay! i got it working!
[2:42] <groszek> if only it had two ethernet ports :)
[2:44] <IT_Sean> USB - Ethernet adapter
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[2:50] <aaa801> IT_Sean, android market on the pi is prety epic
[2:51] <SpeedEvil> Android on Pi?
[2:51] <aaa801> ye
[2:51] <aaa801> im uploading the new build atm
[2:51] <SpeedEvil> I assume not accellerated?
[2:51] <aaa801> unforchnetly
[2:51] <aaa801> were still waiting on the foundation for a gpu driver to allow us to use acceleration
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[2:55] <dirty_d> when i hear "the foundation" i think of some all powerful entity like "the empire"
[2:56] <aaa801> lol
[2:56] <ReggieUK> they are
[2:56] <aaa801> bloody nda on that chip
[2:56] <ReggieUK> they fooled you with the cute logo
[2:56] <dirty_d> when you say the foundation, isnt that really just broadcom?
[2:56] <aaa801> ye but the foundation have to bitch to broadcom
[2:56] <aaa801> ;)
[2:56] <dirty_d> ahh
[2:57] <dirty_d> doesnt eben work for broadcom?
[2:57] <aaa801> maybee
[2:57] <aaa801> eben emailed one of the team a few days ago
[2:57] <aaa801> so we asked for it then
[2:57] <aaa801> no responce yet
[2:57] <dirty_d> what kind of driver?
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[2:58] <ReggieUK> then again, I think everyone is waiting for the foundation to do something about acellerated X on the pi
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[2:58] <dirty_d> i thought thre was already accelerated opengl?
[2:58] <aaa801> its compiled against glibc
[2:58] <aaa801> which is useless for android
[2:58] <aaa801> which uses its own libc (boinc)
[2:58] <ReggieUK> who's fault is that?
[2:58] <dirty_d> ahh i see
[2:59] <aaa801> i blame ReggieUK
[2:59] <aaa801> :<
[2:59] <dirty_d> why dont they kust stick with the cround and use glibc
[2:59] <ReggieUK> I blame me too
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[2:59] <dirty_d> is theres really that much better that they had to devote all that effort
[2:59] <ReggieUK> but apparently I don't care what anyone thinks, so it's all good
[2:59] <dirty_d> and cause a ruckus
[3:01] <dirty_d> well, something broke
[3:01] <dirty_d> mkinitcpio says modules are missing when upgrading the kernel
[3:02] <dirty_d> on my PC not rpi
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[3:07] <dan408> opengl has issues in linux regardless of arch
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[3:10] <MoleMan> Anyone able to help me with setting up wireless adaptor on my Pi? I have the drivers I think should work but keep getting 'Error: unable to find a version of ndiswrapper!'
[3:11] <dan408> what distro?
[3:11] <signpost> I'm surprised ndiswrapper works on arm
[3:11] <signpost> didn't now that
[3:11] <signpost> *know
[3:12] <dan408> im surprised ndiswrapper works at all
[3:12] <dan408> driver support has gotten a lot better in the kernel itself
[3:17] <MoleMan> The recommended raspbian wheezy
[3:19] <MoleMan> trying to use a NetGear N600 -- Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0846:9011 NetGear, Inc. WNDA3100v2 802.11abgn [Broadcom BCM4323]
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[3:37] <MoleMan> also, anyone know if / where images of (even buggy) versions of Android for RPi are available please?
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[3:57] <Ionic`> hm
[3:57] <Ionic`> what does the GPU firmware do, anyway?
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[4:10] <phire> what doesn't it do
[4:13] <phire> Apart from audio/visual stuff the gpu firmware doesn't touch/intercept/care about anything that the linux kernel does
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[4:19] <Ionic`> phire: "apart from audio stuff" -vv
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[4:30] <xiambax> What are your thoughts on people buying raspberry pis and then selling them on ebay plus markup
[4:30] <xiambax> I personally think its a dick move but I want one now.
[4:33] <Ionic`> xiambax: sounds about right
[4:33] <Ionic`> well to be honest?
[4:33] <Ionic`> it's perfectly legit, legally
[4:33] <xiambax> but its kind of against the principles of the project i suppose
[4:34] <Ionic`> so what?
[4:34] <Ionic`> the world is bad, didn't you notice?
[4:34] <xiambax> Im aware was just asking what other peoples thoughts were
[4:34] <Ionic`> nobody is holding me off selling random crap for the price I want
[4:35] <xiambax> Does raspberry pi take donations?
[4:35] <Ionic`> it kinda is morally wrong, yeah
[4:35] <Maior> xiambax: I've seen people do it who've donated the profits to the foundation
[4:35] <Maior> xiambax: which I can't really disagree with
[4:35] <Maior> (minor fairness arguments to be made, but meh)
[4:35] <xiambax> no not at all
[4:36] <Maior> but I dislike the profiteering aspect
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[4:36] <xiambax> i mean if they were doing it themselves to priority and taking the profits to help with development then ya its a good idea
[4:37] <Maior> xiambax: they already did that, I thought
[4:37] <dan408> MoleMan: just curious. have you tried the fedora remix?
[4:37] <Ionic`> hm oh :/
[4:37] <Ionic`> I'm done with weeds
[4:38] <dan408> the tv show?
[4:39] <Ionic`> yeah
[4:39] <MoleMan> no... only tried the default recommended from the download page so far... only got yesterday
[4:40] <Jungle-Boogie> dan408, i'm waiting on a good fedora release. the last couple from this week were not very stable at all.
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[4:41] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[4:41] <SSilver2k2> :-D Adafruit linked to my site :DDDDD
[4:42] <xiambax> omg, stretching your ears sucks sometimes
[4:42] <xiambax> OWE
[4:42] <DrLuke> "fixdep: error opening config file: /mnt/usbstick/bootc-linux-74ff970/kernel/timer.c: No such file or directory" this happens while compiling the bootc linux kernel
[4:42] <xiambax> Has anyone tried this?https://www.haiku-os.org/community/forum/arm_port
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[4:47] <maicod> ionic: http://www.maiconet.nl/hardinfo/hardinfo.htm
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[4:47] <home> sad
[4:47] <home> ordered raspberry pi too late
[4:47] <home> not available anymore
[4:47] <home> fuck my life
[4:47] <maicod> too late ???
[4:47] <Ionic`> maicod: ah
[4:47] <home> yeah
[4:47] <home> there was like 4 before :/
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[4:47] <home> wish I was old enough to have my own
[4:47] <maicod> they weren't available in the first place. you had to preorder as you should do now
[4:47] <Ionic`> loks like pretty much the same
[4:47] <home> credit card..
[4:48] <maicod> ionic: yeah :)
[4:48] <Ionic`> maicod: but this is with arch which lacks hardfp :(
[4:48] <Ionic`> maicod: better try it again raspbian
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[4:48] <Ionic`> (not debian, raspbian)
[4:48] <home> well, it comes whenever it wasnts too..
[4:48] <home> whats all the talk with raspbian
[4:48] <home> is it that good?
[4:48] <maicod> ionic: this is raspbian
[4:48] <Ionic`> oh
[4:48] <Ionic`> ok, nice
[4:48] <maicod> hehe
[4:48] <maicod> the weezy
[4:48] <Ionic`> let me install it on arch
[4:48] <maicod> OK cool
[4:49] <Ionic`> I hope it doesn't need a GUI
[4:49] <maicod> nope
[4:49] <maicod> gtk does DUH
[4:49] <maicod> but not hardinfo
[4:49] <maicod> ionic: is it hard to install x into arch btw ?
[4:50] <Ionic`> maicod: dunno, I don't think so
[4:50] <maicod> ok :)
[4:50] <Ionic`> yeah well I don't care about gtk
[4:50] <maicod> OK :)
[4:50] <Ionic`> whoops
[4:50] <Ionic`> 404 while fetching fails
[4:50] <Ionic`> time for a repo sync
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[4:50] <maicod> gtkperf: pi1=Total time: 132.92
[4:51] <Ionic`> gtkperf I can't use
[4:51] <maicod> pi2=Total time: 129.01
[4:51] <maicod> I know
[4:51] <Ionic`> for obvious reasons
[4:51] <Ionic`> hmmm
[4:51] <maicod> just wanted to show ya
[4:51] <Ionic`> 4 seconds difference?
[4:51] <Ionic`> probably statistically irrelevant
[4:51] <maicod> yeah but it differs when you run it twice
[4:51] <maicod> yea
[4:51] <Ionic`> oh
[4:51] <Ionic`> kernel upgrade
[4:51] <Ionic`> nomnom
[4:51] <Ionic`> and firmware upgrade too
[4:51] <maicod> attempt2 for pi1=Total time: 134.43
[4:51] <Ionic`> even more nomz
[4:52] <home> so
[4:52] <home> I am thinking of using the raspberry pi
[4:52] <maicod> pi2 2nd attempt=Total time: 130.44
[4:52] <home> and a router
[4:52] <maicod> still 4 secs :(
[4:52] <home> to enable wifi connectivity
[4:52] <Ionic`> ok?
[4:52] <maicod> dunno if that tells something
[4:52] <Ionic`> maicod: interesting
[4:52] <home> lets say, we connect the ethernet from RPI to an WRT54G router
[4:53] <Ionic`> well, not a benchmark
[4:53] <Ionic`> it sounds to be slower but who knows why
[4:53] <home> think, I can use it as a wifi adapter, instead of getting a wifi usb?
[4:53] <maicod> ionic: 3rd attempt was Total time: 130.67
[4:53] <maicod> for pi1
[4:53] <home> I want to make a robot :/
[4:53] <Ionic`> maicod: ah, that's better
[4:53] <maicod> I had to reboot it to get that
[4:53] <home> that is wifi enabled
[4:53] <maicod> so still it seems the pi2 is a tad faster
[4:54] <Ionic`> home: uhm, you want to do what?
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[4:54] <maicod> when making averages
[4:54] <Ionic`> home: you can connect the raspi via ethernet to a WRT54G router, what's the problem?
[4:54] <home> Ionic`, urgh, uhm
[4:54] <xiambax> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=ggCODBIfWKY oh man
[4:54] <xiambax> this brings me back
[4:54] <Ionic`> maicod: proably not really that much faster
[4:54] <maicod> nop
[4:55] <home> I want to use the WRT54G as a wireless adapter...and have it bridge with my laptop
[4:55] <maicod> btw the pi1 didnt crash with the benchmarking so its probably sane
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[4:55] <Ionic`> home: well, that's your router's problem
[4:55] <maicod> lol thats a big adapter :)
[4:55] <Ionic`> maicod: who knows
[4:55] <maicod> that blue lego brick :)
[4:56] <maicod> on the 2nd pi the yellow video connector is a little off the 90 degrees angle . I didnt test it to a TV if it works
[4:56] <Ionic`> home: the raspi will just be a client in the LAN provided by your router
[4:56] <Ionic`> home: the same goes for the laptop
[4:57] <maicod> ionic: there must have been a chinese monday :)
[4:57] <Ionic`> is the yellow thingy composite?
[4:57] <maicod> yea
[4:57] <Ionic`> ok
[4:57] <maicod> I do not use it
[4:57] <Ionic`> hmm actually I could get some video output, if I wanted
[4:57] <maicod> cause it sucks
[4:57] <maicod> :)
[4:58] <Ionic`> I don't have any HDMI devices
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[4:58] <Ionic`> but an analoge TV tuner card
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[4:58] <maicod> ionic: I got one spare wrt54g router lying. could it act as a wifi client ?
[4:58] <maicod> as suggested by the other guy
[4:59] <Ionic`> maicod: why *client*? it's gotta be the *sserver*/AP
[4:59] <maicod> just running a short cable from the pi to it
[4:59] <maicod> oh
[4:59] <Ionic`> wait
[4:59] <Ionic`> wait
[4:59] <Ionic`> you're not the other guy, right
[4:59] <maicod> I thought of using it as a client to connect wirelessly to my N router
[4:59] <Ionic`> what do you wanna do?
[4:59] <maicod> nooooo
[4:59] <Ionic`> oh
[4:59] <Ionic`> uhm
[4:59] <maicod> is that possible?
[5:00] <Ionic`> generally I don't see any problem with that
[5:00] <maicod> OK :)
[5:00] <maicod> would be cool LOL
[5:00] <Ionic`> provided you get wpa_supplicant and stuff on that box
[5:00] <maicod> just run a small ethernet cable to it
[5:00] <maicod> oh not the normal fw ?
[5:00] <Ionic`> does it have wpa_supplicant?
[5:00] <maicod> its not a version that can have linux
[5:00] <Ionic`> actually, screw that
[5:00] <Ionic`> urgh
[5:00] <maicod> :)
[5:00] <Ionic`> then probably not
[5:00] <maicod> oh
[5:01] <Ionic`> I don't think the drivers support client mode
[5:01] <maicod> I think its the cheap rev of the wrt
[5:01] <maicod> oh ok
[5:01] <home> hmm
[5:01] <maicod> I hope one of my wifi sticks works with it
[5:01] <home> router...check
[5:01] <Ionic`> but tbh this USB wifi stick doesn't look too bad yet
[5:01] <home> raspberrypi--not check
[5:02] <Ionic`> home: i'll sell you mine for $200 :p
[5:02] <maicod> ionic: I've heard its very picky with wifi sticks huh?
[5:02] <Ionic`> maicod: I'm using it via wifi for the last 30 hours and so far it works fine
[5:02] <maicod> yeah but it depends on which wifi stick u use ?
[5:02] <Ionic`> probably too early to jump to conflusions...
[5:02] <Ionic`> sure
[5:03] <maicod> hope mine works
[5:03] <Ionic`> that's why I selected the stick carefully when buying it :P
[5:03] <maicod> is it easy to configure wifi on linux ?
[5:03] <maicod> oh LOL
[5:03] <Ionic`> lol well
[5:03] <maicod> you bought it FOR the pi then?
[5:03] <Ionic`> yeah
[5:03] <maicod> OH :)
[5:03] <home> bought what
[5:03] <home> nub
[5:03] <Ionic`> haven't you used linux before?
[5:03] <maicod> the stick
[5:03] <home> maicod, you dont use Linux?
[5:04] <maicod> ionic: not wifi (well wifi from X I had)
[5:04] <home> maicod, you are missing out, dude.
[5:04] <Ionic`> maicod: networkmanager will be comfortable for you
[5:04] <maicod> Ive never configged wifi from console
[5:04] <home> linux = good for developers and hackers
[5:04] <Ionic`> it's windows-y
[5:04] <maicod> OK is it for X ?
[5:04] <Ionic`> ya
[5:04] <home> I did some stuff, with console regarding wifi
[5:04] <home> but meh
[5:04] <simcop2387> I've got an ATX supply driving another device that I want to use with a pi, and I'm trying to find if anyone already makes a 4pin molex to usb for power or not. so far it's looking like no.
[5:05] <maicod> ok so apt-get install networkmanager ?
[5:05] <home> maicod, no
[5:05] <Ionic`> maicod: you should already have NM ;)
[5:05] <maicod> ok :)
[5:05] <Ionic`> check the wired connection icon
[5:05] <Ionic`> in the systray thingy
[5:05] <maicod> ah right
[5:05] <maicod> I got a sitecom wl-329 here
[5:05] <maicod> is it any good ?
[5:05] <maicod> its dualband N
[5:06] <Ionic`> maicod: haven't you learned anything? :(
[5:06] <Ionic`> use the holy bible of rpi
[5:06] <maicod> yeah you mean lookup the list of devices ?
[5:06] <maicod> I know that :)
[5:06] <Ionic`> yeah
[5:06] <maicod> I just wondered if u knew my stick :)
[5:07] <Ionic`> sitecom isn't listed
[5:07] <maicod> :(
[5:07] <home> where is this link
[5:07] <home> btw
[5:07] <maicod> doesnt mean it doesnt work
[5:07] <Ionic`> what chip does it have?
[5:07] <Ionic`> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[5:07] <home> curious
[5:07] <maicod> ehw ehw :)
[5:07] <maicod> will try find it online
[5:07] <simcop2387> can you supply power to the board via the GPIO header?
[5:07] <maicod> I think its ralink
[5:07] <Ionic`> maicod: no!
[5:07] <Ionic`> maicod: connect it to the rpi and run lsusb
[5:07] <maicod> I know about USB vendor codes (in windows)
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[5:08] <Ionic`> maicod: Wifi sticks are almost always sold with different revisions having different chips in them
[5:08] <maicod> ok ill connect it
[5:08] <maicod> first gotta find it
[5:08] <Ionic`> lol
[5:11] <home> lol
[5:11] <home> hhaha
[5:11] <home> haha
[5:11] <home> oh man
[5:11] <home> the things I could do with mah pi
[5:11] <home> I want to build something....that can.doohehe
[5:12] <home> but RPI aint rugged..
[5:12] <home> so...thats shit..
[5:12] <Ionic`> ?
[5:12] <simcop2387> i'm as confused as you are Ionic`
[5:12] <Ionic`> thanks
[5:13] <maicod> ionic: 0df6:0041
[5:13] <maicod> ill look it up :)
[5:13] <Ionic`> rt200usb
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[5:14] <Ionic`> *2800
[5:14] <maicod> huh when I looked it up in usb vendor list I got sitecom wl-329 which I already knew ;)
[5:15] <Ionic`> seems to be working
[5:15] <maicod> where did u lookup the rt200usb?
[5:15] <maicod> the chip it uses
[5:15] <Ionic`> http://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb
[5:15] <Ionic`> chip not sure
[5:15] <Ionic`> but the driver is rt2800usb
[5:15] <maicod> can I find out the chip with a linux command like lsusb ?
[5:15] <Ionic`> and from the peripherials list I can see that rt2800usb seems to work fine
[5:15] <maicod> cool
[5:15] <Ionic`> normally it's enclosed in brackets after the name
[5:16] <maicod> it wasnt :(
[5:16] <Ionic`> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 07d1:3a09 D-Link System DWA-160 802.11abgn Xtreme N Dual Band Adapter(rev.A2) [Atheros AR9170+AR9104]
[5:16] <maicod> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0df6:0041 Sitecom Europe B.V. WL-329 Wireless Dualband USB adapter 300N
[5:16] <maicod> thats what mine said
[5:16] <Ionic`> doesn't really matter what chip it is
[5:17] <maicod> ok :)
[5:17] <Ionic`> it's supported by rt2800usb which seems to work fine on rpi
[5:17] <maicod> I could rip the shell off it :P
[5:17] <maicod> haha
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[5:17] <maicod> cool
[5:17] <Ionic`> you'll need to apt-get install firmware-ralink first though
[5:17] <maicod> ill load up X soon (bit sleepy here) and networkmanager
[5:17] <maicod> ohhh
[5:17] <Ionic`> but I guess you expected that already
[5:17] <Ionic`> install that, then re-plug the stick and look at dmesg
[5:17] <maicod> not yet :)
[5:18] <maicod> OK
[5:18] <maicod> the old debian image will do too ?
[5:18] <maicod> or do I need weezy?
[5:18] <Ionic`> running hardinfo now
[5:18] <Ionic`> uhm
[5:18] <maicod> cool
[5:18] <maicod> it takes long !
[5:18] <Ionic`> I'd recommend the new raspbian image
[5:18] <maicod> like 20 mins or so
[5:18] <Ionic`> probably longer
[5:18] <maicod> oh ok
[5:19] <Ionic`> remember arch doesn't use hardfp
[5:19] <maicod> what is hardfp ?
[5:19] <Ionic`> utilizing the hardware floating point co-processor
[5:19] <maicod> aha
[5:19] <Ionic`> softfp is floating point implementation in software
[5:19] <maicod> so it will show slower speeds then !
[5:19] <maicod> you can;t compare it with mine :(
[5:19] <Ionic`> that's what I'm thinking
[5:20] <Ionic`> well I will be able to compare once I get the USB case and gentoo on that stupid rpi
[5:20] <maicod> get wheezy then :)))
[5:20] <Ionic`> which may take months
[5:20] <Ionic`> nah
[5:20] <maicod> ok :))
[5:20] <Ionic`> I'll get the hardware tomorrow
[5:20] <Ionic`> free express shipping \o/
[5:20] <maicod> which case u ordered ?
[5:21] <Ionic`> it's jsut some USB HDD case
[5:21] <Ionic`> not a rpi case
[5:21] <maicod> oh
[5:21] <Ionic`> rpi case... dunno yet
[5:21] <maicod> mine likes to be nude :)
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[5:22] <maicod> my Pi is a nudist hahaah
[5:22] <maicod> both are ;)
[5:23] <Ionic`> http://elinux.org/File:RaspBerry_Slice.jpg lol
[5:23] <Ionic`> that looks awesome
[5:23] <maicod> LOL it looks a bit awkward
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[5:24] <maicod> the shape needs to look like a cake slice ?
[5:25] <Ionic`> hey, it's raspberry pi(e)
[5:25] <maicod> yeah :)
[5:26] <maicod> but I like more dull designs :)
[5:26] <maicod> minimalistic :)
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[5:27] <maicod> i'm gonna try the wl-329 now
[5:27] <Ionic`> I like the LEDs
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[5:27] <Ionic`> oki
[5:27] <maicod> me too !!!
[5:27] <maicod> I hate to see it hidden
[5:28] <maicod> the board
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[5:29] <Ionic`> lol
[5:29] <Ionic`> man
[5:29] <Ionic`> I've had such high hopes for rain
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[5:30] <maicod_needs_hub> :)
[5:30] <maicod_needs_hub> :(
[5:31] <maicod_needs_hub> need mouse/keyboard/usb wifi stick
[5:31] <maicod_needs_hub> so 3 ports
[5:32] <maicod_needs_hub> do hubs have vendor ID ?
[5:33] <phire> yes
[5:33] <maicod_needs_hub> with lsusb?
[5:33] <maicod_needs_hub> OK
[5:33] <maicod_needs_hub> its a belkin
[5:33] <monthos> Don't get anxious and greedy like me and just goto best buy and buy one. I still think the one I bought is causing me issues. But its better than when I was powering from my tv and had my wireless keyboard/mouse combo dongle plugged directly in
[5:33] <maicod_needs_hub> but not saying what product nr it is
[5:33] <phire> the hub is also a simple usb device
[5:33] <maicod_needs_hub> OK
[5:34] <maicod_needs_hub> monthos: hope my belkin is accepable
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[5:34] <monthos> lol, mine is "Dynex"
[5:34] <monthos> emphasis on the "Dy" (read die) part :P
[5:34] <maicod_needs_hub> http://www.techfuels.com/cpu-components/11681-belkin-usb-2-0-4-port-travel-hub-black.html
[5:34] <maicod_needs_hub> thats mine
[5:35] <maicod_needs_hub> but mine is red
[5:35] <monthos> whoa.... bus powered?
[5:35] <maicod_needs_hub> no it lacks a power adapter ;)
[5:35] <monthos> thats not going to do a world of good.
[5:35] <phire> what does dmesg say?
[5:35] <maicod_needs_hub> it wasnt supplied
[5:35] <maicod_needs_hub> not yet seen that since the Pi is in another room
[5:36] <maicod_needs_hub> need to go do it first
[5:36] <maicod_needs_hub> I will in a sec
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[5:36] <maicod_needs_hub> Bus-powered, no power supply included
[5:36] <monthos> if your having issues, you need a powered hub. Since the reason is that the rpi cannot give enough amps for your devices, your using the hub to offload that power requirement
[5:36] <maicod_needs_hub> LOL
[5:36] <maicod_needs_hub> indeed it has no PSU :*
[5:36] <maicod_needs_hub> indeed it has no PSU :(
[5:36] <maicod_needs_hub> yeah indeed
[5:37] <maicod_needs_hub> maybe I can get the right psu for my hub :)
[5:37] <Ionic`> http://elinux.org/images/7/78/Pibow.jpg nyancase
[5:37] <maicod_needs_hub> wb ionic
[5:38] <maicod_needs_hub> LOL it looks like a small items storage box
[5:38] <Ionic`> oh yeah
[5:38] <maicod_needs_hub> its much to cheesy color for me though
[5:38] <Ionic`> wifi stuff won't work without an external, powered USB hub
[5:38] <Ionic`> don't you know nyancat?
[5:39] <monthos> that case should require the pi to steam a constant loop of nyancat over the audio
[5:39] <maicod_needs_hub> ionic: ok but then I can't try out my wifi stick now since I need mouse for X for network manager
[5:39] <Ionic`> maicod_needs_hub: sure
[5:39] <Ionic`> just get some hub
[5:39] <Ionic`> monthos: hehe
[5:39] <Ionic`> http://elinux.org/File:Pibox.jpg < clean
[5:40] <maicod_needs_hub> ionic: wifi doesnt work either when inserted directly into the pi ?
[5:40] <Ionic`> meh, there's no "great" case out there
[5:40] <monthos> <- listening to nyan loop because I said it... i think its an OCD rule... stopping now.
[5:40] <maicod_needs_hub> ionic: just use lego blocks
[5:40] <Ionic`> maicod_needs_hub: nope, rpi can't power it
[5:40] <Ionic`> hellno
[5:40] <maicod_needs_hub> ionic: I got this hub:http://www.techfuels.com/cpu-components/11681-belkin-usb-2-0-4-port-travel-hub-black.html
[5:41] <Ionic`> that's bus-powered
[5:41] <Ionic`> wn't work
[5:41] <maicod_needs_hub> ehm it has opportunity to use a PSU
[5:41] <Ionic`> oh?
[5:41] <maicod_needs_hub> yeah w8
[5:41] <satellit> belkin 4-Port Powered Desktop Hub works
[5:41] <maicod_needs_hub> yeah it has a socket for a power source
[5:42] <maicod_needs_hub> ionic: what voltage would it need you think ?
[5:42] <Ionic`> so it's not the same... what?
[5:42] <Ionic`> voltage?
[5:42] <Ionic`> 5V?!
[5:42] <monthos> if it does not come with a power supply, but can use one. Just make sure, that if you do go that route you use a good power supply to power it, otherwise you will be at square one with the only addition of a crapload more wiring.
[5:43] <maicod_needs_hub> it IS the same but mine is red color and it has a socket for power but doesnt come with a power brick :(
[5:43] * satellit $19.99 at FredMeyer in Oregon
[5:43] <maicod_needs_hub> heheh monthos
[5:43] <maicod_needs_hub> ionic: the side where the socket is is not on the picture :(
[5:43] <Ionic`> well
[5:43] <maicod_needs_hub> I can take a picture of mine ok?
[5:43] <Ionic`> what are the limits?
[5:44] <Ionic`> 3A?
[5:44] <maicod_needs_hub> got no clue
[5:44] <maicod_needs_hub> searching
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[5:45] <Ionic`> probably 2A or so
[5:45] <Ionic`> 4*500mA
[5:45] <monthos> there you go.
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[5:46] <Ionic`> monthos: well, probably... not necessarily
[5:47] <monthos> Ionic, its probably just dumping the 5v current straight on the board, I know. And if he will be using a off the shelf aquired power supply, thats where my comment about making sure he buys a good one comes in.
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[5:47] <voidn> Good morning.
[5:48] <monthos> good evening.
[5:49] <voidn> Then let's meet at "good day"?
[5:49] <monthos> or a terrible tomorrow.
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[5:49] <monthos> but yeah, good day to you :)
[5:49] <maicod_needs_hub> Ionic: http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/hub.jpg
[5:49] <Ionic`> monthos: indeed
[5:49] <Ionic`> ah ok
[5:49] <maicod_needs_hub> this looks like a port huh?
[5:49] <maicod_needs_hub> I mean power
[5:50] <Ionic`> yeah
[5:50] <maicod_needs_hub> but its not got a power brick
[5:50] <monthos> maicod_needs_hub: yeah thanks for fixing that... I was about to say, it sure does look like a port alright ;)
[5:50] <Ionic`> lol
[5:50] <maicod_needs_hub> hahahahaha
[5:50] <Ionic`> interestingly hardinfo is not off by much
[5:50] <maicod_needs_hub> intresting :)
[5:51] <Ionic`> 111.235 | 7.326 | 30.091 | 93.073 | 285.529 | 1154.834
[5:51] <Ionic`> ok, the last two values of course are
[5:51] <Ionic`> but those are FPU intensive
[5:51] <maicod_needs_hub> yea
[5:51] <maicod_needs_hub> :)
[5:51] <maicod_needs_hub> good so your Pi is sane :)
[5:51] <Ionic`> still slower
[5:52] <Ionic`> but I'll re-test whenever gentoo is working on there
[5:52] <maicod_needs_hub> ionic: I got a multi use adjustable power adapter somewhere. if I can set it to 5 volts it might work :)
[5:52] <Ionic`> maicod_needs_hub: it's dangerous though
[5:52] <maicod_needs_hub> the pi can be damaged ?
[5:53] <Ionic`> probably not, but you could fry the USB hub
[5:53] <maicod_needs_hub> oh and the USB stuff in it
[5:53] <maicod_needs_hub> yeah could indeed
[5:53] <Ionic`> then again
[5:53] <Ionic`> if the only powered thingy is the Wifi stick...
[5:53] <maicod_needs_hub> ionic: what is your brand . I get the same then :)
[5:53] <Ionic`> I looked for that but it seems to be hitler-specific? Ultron UHN-710
[5:54] <Ionic`> for some reason google only brings german results
[5:54] <Ionic`> oh nice
[5:54] <maicod_needs_hub> oh but I can order in germany can;t I :)
[5:54] <Ionic`> http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B003JDRUO4/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00
[5:54] <Ionic`> shipped by amazon \o/
[5:54] <Ionic`> but 15 EUR
[5:54] <Ionic`> so either shipping or search for something else worth 5 eur
[5:54] <maicod_needs_hub> I hate it if the power brick is a ehm BRICK
[5:55] <Ionic`> it is a brick
[5:55] <maicod_needs_hub> a monster of a brick
[5:55] <maicod_needs_hub> lemme google it
[5:55] <Ionic`> oh
[5:55] <Ionic`> and the cord is only 1m long
[5:55] <Ionic`> for some very stupid reason
[5:55] <maicod_needs_hub> is it detachable?
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[5:55] <monthos> considering the wall wart houses the stuff to do the clean transformation from AC to DC... its needed.
[5:55] <Ionic`> from what?
[5:55] <Ionic`> the stand?
[5:55] <maicod_needs_hub> from the hub
[5:56] <Ionic`> everything's detachable
[5:56] <maicod_needs_hub> hehehe :)
[5:56] <Ionic`> but the power cord is only 1m long
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[5:56] <Ionic`> which is probably the shortest power cord I've ever had
[5:56] <maicod_needs_hub> lol it has a stand
[5:56] <maicod_needs_hub> indeed short one
[5:57] <Ionic`> monthos: yes and no
[5:57] <Ionic`> yes, it's needed, no, you can make it unnecessarily big
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[5:58] <maicod_needs_hub> I will look in the Pi list for other models too that are supported
[5:58] <Ionic`> sure, there quite a few
[5:58] <maicod_needs_hub> cool
[5:58] <maicod_needs_hub> holdon :)
[5:58] <Ionic`> I liked the 7 ports and power
[5:58] <maicod_needs_hub> oh yea
[5:58] <maicod_needs_hub> ofc power is a requirement for me
[5:58] <maicod_needs_hub> for the Pi
[5:58] <heathkid> two more rpi's arrived today! order to receiving is FAST now! :)
[5:58] <monthos> Ionic`: I guess I can agree, especially when taking some of them apart. but I just see it as needed since I am a cheap bastard and tend to go for ones that use space to spare on engineering to fill the air pockets
[5:59] <maicod_needs_hub> ionic: the stand is removable ?
[5:59] * maicod_needs_hub prefers it lying :)
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[6:00] * maicod_hated_nam is now known as maicod
[6:00] <maicod> I wanted to say I hated the name I had
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[6:00] <Ionic`> maicod: yep
[6:00] <Ionic`> it's not fixed or anything
[6:00] <maicod> ok its just a bonus then
[6:00] <Ionic`> you just squeeze it in
[6:01] <maicod> its cool but I might want to take it off too
[6:01] <maicod> i'll decide on that later ;)
[6:01] <maicod> so the only thing is the wire from the psu is 1 metre huh?
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[6:01] <maicod> and it doesnt come with a USB cable for the hub to host connection?
[6:02] <Ionic`> CyberPower CP-H720P looks good too
[6:02] <Ionic`> 3.6A and 7 ports
[6:02] <Ionic`> maicod: well, and the other drawback: 7 * 0.5 = 3.5, but the PSU does 3A only
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[6:02] <Ionic`> this CP-H720P hub is supposed to support 3.6A
[6:03] <maicod> how big is the 'brick' of the power adapter of yours ?
[6:03] <Ionic`> But I can't really find it
[6:03] <Ionic`> uhm
[6:03] <Ionic`> bricky
[6:03] <maicod> :(
[6:03] <maicod> I hate those
[6:03] <maicod> lemme check the cp one out
[6:03] <Ionic`> can't find it, in germany at least
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[6:04] <maicod> it looks american market
[6:04] <Ionic`> lol
[6:04] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:04] <Ionic`> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817804002
[6:04] <Ionic`> $30
[6:04] <Ionic`> that's a lot of cash for some hub
[6:04] <maicod> newegg doesnt deliver to europe
[6:04] <maicod> yeah it is
[6:04] <maicod> newegg is stupid :)
[6:05] <maicod> good shop but they dont deliver abroad so theyre stupid :)
[6:05] <Ionic`> oh, they don't?
[6:05] <maicod> nope
[6:06] <maicod> never did
[6:06] <maicod> americans with short vision
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[6:06] <phire> well, shipping out of america is expensive
[6:06] <phire> would never be worth it
[6:07] <maicod> ewegg.com does not currently ship internationally. We only deliver to locations within the United States and to Puerto Rico.
[6:07] <Ionic`> hmmm ok :/
[6:07] <maicod> sure but they just don't even try to sell to foreing customers
[6:07] <Ionic`> if you only need 4 ports though, try to anyone on the list
[6:08] <maicod> yeah I think 4 is fine with a Pi isnt it ?
[6:08] <maicod> you got 5 in total then
[6:08] <maicod> are you able to take a picture of your power brick?
[6:08] <monthos> I do not think I ever used 5 USB's concurrently. Then again, I hate excess wiring.
[6:08] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:08] <maicod> cool !
[6:08] <maicod> like I did with my hub LOL
[6:09] <Ionic`> oh, like now?
[6:09] <Ionic`> let me do drugs first
[6:09] <maicod> oh sorry to ask :)
[6:09] <maicod> OK
[6:09] <maicod> thats important !
[6:09] <Ionic`> it'll be... interesting
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[6:09] <maicod> did yours come with USB cable for the connection to a usb host ?
[6:09] <Ionic`> I can't disconnect it from the wall socket as the wifi stick requires power :D
[6:09] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:09] <maicod> short ?
[6:09] <Ionic`> a short one but still
[6:09] <maicod> OK :)
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[6:10] <maicod> its mini usb?
[6:10] <maicod> to usb
[6:10] <Ionic`> ???
[6:10] <maicod> the side of the hub
[6:10] <maicod> of the usb cable
[6:10] <Ionic`> ah
[6:10] <Ionic`> checking
[6:10] <MasterGeek> He, How do i rotate my screen 90cw
[6:10] <maicod> hehe
[6:10] <MasterGeek> or 90ccw
[6:10] <Ionic`> nope
[6:11] <sheppard> MasterGeek: by putting it on it's side
[6:11] <Ionic`> a big one, USB type A to USB type B
[6:11] <maicod> well I got a cable as a spare might it not be to my liking :)
[6:11] <maicod> ah thats good
[6:11] <MasterGeek> lol
[6:11] * MasterGeek falls off me chair
[6:11] <maicod> thanks for looking it up. take ur pills 1st !
[6:11] <Ionic`> I'm smoking :p
[6:11] <maicod> you said you needed pills ? :)
[6:11] <Ionic`> don't like to run to the bedroom with a cigarette in my hand but yeah
[6:11] <Ionic`> I said "drugs"
[6:11] <maicod> LOL I intrepreted it like that
[6:12] <MasterGeek> i haz nice screen, it haz rotate bevel, so how do i rotate t xscreen ?
[6:12] <maicod> okay take your pause !
[6:12] <maicod> here in NL we need to sit in smoke cabins . fortunately I dont smoke
[6:12] <maicod> well not in own house but in public places
[6:13] <Ionic`> smoking is pretty much banned in germany
[6:13] <Ionic`> at least inside buildings
[6:13] <maicod> same here
[6:13] <maicod> cafes too
[6:13] <Ionic`> picture tim
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[6:13] * maicod wonders why belkin made that connector :)
[6:14] <maicod> ah thanks man
[6:15] <MasterGeek> Yer all the pubs in the uk lobbyed the gov to make a smoking ban, in the hope that Public houses would become more family friendly, but it back fired, and all the drinkers that could no longer smoke in the pub, went and got a take out at the supermarket and stayed at home, all but a fe closed down, No customers hahahaha
[6:16] <maicod> indeed
[6:16] <MasterGeek> so about rotating this screen ? anyone ?
[6:16] <maicod> I dont know MasterGeek
[6:17] <maicod> why would you want to look at an angle to your screen?
[6:17] <Ionic`> nice shit
[6:17] <Ionic`> it's raining
[6:17] <maicod> hehe
[6:17] <maicod> not here
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[6:17] <maicod> http://www.knmi.nl/neerslagradar/index.php
[6:18] <maicod> west is dry now :)
[6:18] <Ionic`> http://wetter.root24.mobi/
[6:18] <Ionic`> there's a big one coming
[6:18] <MasterGeek> i dont, i just want it tall and thin, not wide not landscape
[6:18] <maicod> are you near saarbrucken?
[6:18] <Ionic`> nope, near stuttgart, just go west
[6:19] <maicod> pitty the map isnt movable
[6:19] <Ionic`> pretty much at the german-french barrier when going west from stuttgart
[6:19] <Ionic`> heh
[6:19] <maicod> oh THERE
[6:19] <maicod> yea rain is coming :)
[6:20] <MasterGeek> well i adapted the Pi-Phone to a Cell tracker and monitor, :P dam people take a load of shit on cell phones
[6:20] <Ionic`> nice thunderstorm
[6:20] <maicod> aha MasterGeek
[6:20] <Ionic`> and it hasn't even started yet properly
[6:20] <MasterGeek> ;)
[6:20] <maicod> ionic:L you dont need flash on your cam now :)
[6:21] <maicod> lightning is providing it ;)
[6:21] <Ionic`> heh
[6:21] <maicod> :)
[6:21] <Ionic`> Ultron_UHN-710_Brick.jpg
[6:21] <Ionic`> err
[6:21] <Ionic`> www.ionic.de/Ultron_UHN-710_Brick.jpg
[6:21] <sheppard> lol
[6:22] <maicod> LOL
[6:22] <maicod> the dust ;))
[6:22] <Ionic`> nevermind the dust
[6:22] <maicod> looks like MY floor :)
[6:22] <maicod> hehehe
[6:22] <maicod> its is ehm not small but its accetable to me
[6:22] <maicod> thanks for taking the piccy !
[6:22] <Ionic`> no problem
[6:22] <Ionic`> wow
[6:22] <Ionic`> that's really some storm going on there
[6:23] <maicod> ionic: northwest netherlands doesnt get much of the bad storms most often
[6:23] <xiambax> European power plugs are way to excessive.
[6:23] <maicod> mostly in the southeast it is more often
[6:23] <maicod> xiambax: this is not a plug :)
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[6:24] <maicod> its adapter+plug
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[6:24] <xiambax> They are just wayyyy to big
[6:24] <maicod> american plugs look scary
[6:24] <maicod> no insulation at the pins
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[6:24] <maicod> you can put your index finger between it and the socket when its still connecting
[6:24] <xiambax> Yeah, you can shock yourself. I've done it a few times
[6:24] <maicod> :(
[6:24] <Ionic`> awesome, and considerably cooling down
[6:25] <maicod> we use insulators half of the pins
[6:25] <maicod> ionic: I hated the heat too
[6:25] <maicod> inside its still warm :*(
[6:25] <xiambax> I wonder what it would cost a country to change their standard
[6:25] <maicod> ionic: did you say 15 euros in amazon germany and no shipping charge if I order something to make it 20 euros ?
[6:25] <Ionic`> maicod: wait for some rain wave to hit you
[6:25] <Ionic`> maicod: ya
[6:26] <maicod> OK cause ebay says
[6:26] <maicod> 15,29+6,95
[6:26] <MasterGeek> i found a great power supply in an old BT Vision box for benching stuff, smooth as hell. 3.3v @ 5A 5v @ 5A , 7v @ 5A, 12 V @ 5A
[6:26] <maicod> thats more :)
[6:26] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:26] <maicod> MasterGeek: why do american plugs pins have a hole?
[6:27] <maicod> ehm sorry I meant xiambax
[6:27] <MasterGeek> ?
[6:27] <maicod> sorry wrong person
[6:27] <xiambax> the hold is a ground
[6:27] <maicod> oh
[6:27] <xiambax> positive, negative, ground
[6:27] <Ionic`> maicod: afaik so that you don't plug it in wrongly
[6:27] <maicod> I understand
[6:27] <maicod> btw I agree that UK power plugs are ugly and HUGE
[6:27] <maicod> but SAFE
[6:28] <MasterGeek> ^
[6:28] <Ionic`> UK?
[6:28] <MasterGeek> y
[6:28] <maicod> continental plugs are OK and american plugs look thinnish and uninsulated
[6:28] <Ionic`> don't they use EU plugs too?
[6:28] <MasterGeek> nah
[6:28] <maicod> noooooo
[6:28] <maicod> they have ugly plugsa
[6:28] <MasterGeek> we have proper gubbins
[6:28] <maicod> its like 3 flat screw drivers coming from a squarew
[6:28] <maicod> -w
[6:29] <maicod> MasterGeek: you have good safety cause of the switcable sockets and fused plugs
[6:29] <maicod> but unhandy plugs
[6:29] <Ionic`> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Basic_earth_pin_operated_shutter_socket.jpg
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[6:29] <Ionic`> dafuq
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[6:29] <MasterGeek> switch is always handy
[6:30] <maicod> hehe
[6:30] <xiambax> Do raspberry pi boards support 64gig cards?
[6:30] <maicod> we use extention boxes for that
[6:30] <maicod> the ones with the red lighted switch
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[6:30] <maicod> xiambax: no idea
[6:30] <Ionic`> xiambax: hm that's SDXC
[6:30] <maicod> I think 32GB is safer
[6:31] <Ionic`> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2252
[6:31] <xiambax> I found out i randomly got a 140 dollar bonus today via some rewards program we have at work
[6:31] <maicod> cool !
[6:31] <xiambax> may order two raspberry pi boards on ebay
[6:31] <MasterGeek> uk plug >>> http://www.reuk.co.uk/OtherImages/13-amp-plug.jpg
[6:32] <Ionic`> MasterGeek: hmmm ok, doesn't look too different from the US plug though?
[6:32] <maicod> mastergeek: was there bad reception cause of not ONE person but multiple persons lighting the olympic torch?
[6:32] <signpost> so who is manufacturing this board
[6:33] <MasterGeek> pffft who cares, Olimpic is for the sicophants and robots,
[6:33] <maicod> oh another sports hater :))
[6:33] <MasterGeek> i dont hate sport, i just think its a load of bollocks
[6:33] <MasterGeek> the olimpics that is
[6:34] <Ionic`> crap
[6:34] <Ionic`> 7am?
[6:34] <maicod> OK
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[6:34] <maicod> 6:32
[6:34] <Ionic`> wasn't it like 5am a few minutes ago?
[6:34] <maicod> hehehe
[6:34] <MasterGeek> is 5:32 am here
[6:34] <squiggles> anyone know how i'd hook up a keyboard to a laptop and rpi and hot swap between the two?
[6:34] <Ionic`> yeah, 6:32am here, but I round up
[6:34] <squiggles> via wireless usb transmitter
[6:34] <MasterGeek> kvm
[6:34] <squiggles> (s)
[6:35] <MasterGeek> lol wut
[6:35] <MasterGeek> wireless?
[6:35] <squiggles> i suppose i'd have to buy another transmitter
[6:35] <Ionic`> hum
[6:36] <maicod> ionic: if I search for CP-H720P on amazon.de it doesnt seem to find it
[6:36] <Ionic`> maicod: because that's the other one?
[6:36] <Ionic`> http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B003JDRUO4/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00 <
[6:36] <maicod> oh damn me
[6:36] <maicod> sorry
[6:37] <Ionic`> nah it's ok
[6:37] <maicod> thought I had the right modem nr
[6:37] <maicod> model nr
[6:37] <maicod> thanks got it now
[6:38] <maicod> ?sterreich, Belgien,
[6:38] <maicod> Liechtenstein, Luxemburg,
[6:38] <maicod> Niederlande, Schweiz***
[6:38] <xiambax> What accessories do you find are needed for your boards?
[6:38] <maicod> yeah niederlande !
[6:38] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:38] <maicod> as you said :)
[6:38] <maicod> ab 20 :)
[6:38] <maicod> die nachbarn :)
[6:39] <Ionic`> you want us to die? thanks!
[6:39] <maicod> it is german
[6:39] <maicod> die=the
[6:39] <Ionic`> don't kill my puns :p
[6:39] <maicod> hehehehe
[6:40] <maicod> I hoped it was a pun
[6:40] <maicod> I wasnt sure ;)
[6:40] <maicod> who lives in liechtenstein
[6:40] <maicod> not many :)
[6:40] <Ionic`> uhm dunno
[6:41] <maicod> is it anywehre near stuttgart ?
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[6:41] <Ionic`> lol nah
[6:41] <Ionic`> belgium
[6:41] <maicod> ok :)
[6:41] <Ionic`> and netherlands
[6:41] <squiggles> xiambax: wifi dongle, keyboard, mouse, usb hub, hdmi cable, output device
[6:41] <maicod> benelux :)
[6:42] <maicod> we call it benelux (belgie/nl/lux)
[6:42] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:42] <Ionic`> oh wait
[6:43] <Ionic`> I messed up
[6:43] <maicod> oh?
[6:43] <maicod> wrong PSU ?
[6:43] <maicod> :)
[6:43] <Ionic`> no
[6:43] <Ionic`> wrong country
[6:43] <maicod> oh :)
[6:43] <Ionic`> yeah liechtenstein is between switzerland and austria
[6:44] <maicod> yeah I said liechtenstein
[6:44] <maicod> OK
[6:44] <Ionic`> so pretty much in the southern region
[6:44] <maicod> alright
[6:44] <maicod> never been there
[6:44] <Ionic`> I confused it with Luxembourg for some stupid reason
[6:44] <maicod> heheeh dont worry
[6:44] <Ionic`> neither have I
[6:44] <maicod> luxembour speak germanfrench-ish :)
[6:44] <maicod> it sounds weird
[6:45] <maicod> letzebuergisch
[6:45] <Ionic`> not french :(
[6:45] <maicod> it has some french in it afaik
[6:45] <maicod> its a mixture of german and french but more german than french
[6:47] <maicod> ionic: your english is perfect btw
[6:47] <xiambax> WTF
[6:47] <Ionic`> I hate French :p
[6:47] <Ionic`> nah it's not
[6:47] <maicod> hahaha
[6:47] <xiambax> Why are happy hacking keyboards 300 dollars on ebay?
[6:47] <maicod> yeah I dont ever sense german in your english
[6:47] <maicod> or german word order
[6:47] <maicod> which often is dutch word order :)
[6:48] <Ionic`> That's probably because I write, read, hear and speak English every day? :p
[6:48] <maicod> hear too?
[6:48] <Ionic`> tv series? :D
[6:48] <maicod> oh rite !
[6:48] <maicod> we too !
[6:48] <MasterGeek> is anyone using thier pi now as a desktopn ?
[6:48] <Ionic`> and talking to myself works way better in english than in german!
[6:48] <maicod> :)
[6:49] <maicod> help me think of something worth 5 euros :)
[6:49] <Ionic`> dunno, do you need some cables or stuff?
[6:49] <maicod> a Pi case :P
[6:49] <maicod> nope
[6:49] <maicod> cables in excess here
[6:50] <maicod> no SD card needed either :)
[6:50] <Ionic`> hmm
[6:50] <Ionic`> dunno
[6:50] <xiambax> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1747424&csid=_61 one of these would work fine on a rasp eh?
[6:50] <squiggles> i wish i could use the pi as a desktop
[6:50] <maicod> i'll think myself . its not fair to ask you to think for me :)
[6:50] <squiggles> damn thing can hardly power a modern browser
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[6:50] <hermanhermitage> hah
[6:51] <MasterGeek> lol thats wut im using
[6:51] <hermanhermitage> ive used pi for a bit of dev work
[6:51] <MasterGeek> lol
[6:51] <MasterGeek> works great
[6:51] <maicod> squiggles: its like a Pentium-2 pc :)
[6:51] <hermanhermitage> but i use text only
[6:51] <hermanhermitage> until X is fixed
[6:51] <maicod> dont expect a octcore cpu :)
[6:51] <maicod> X is broken??
[6:51] <squiggles> i expect to be able to run opera
[6:52] <squiggles> my smartphone can do it, so should rpi
[6:52] <hermanhermitage> maicod: raw is the word i'd use
[6:52] <MasterGeek> friend of mine is putting 250 of em in a 4U case to sell as low budget dedicated servers lol
[6:52] <squiggles> deficient is more appropriate
[6:52] <hermanhermitage> maicod: SoCs dont tend to have a mature X11 setup
[6:52] <maicod> ok hermanhermitage
[6:52] <maicod> ah
[6:52] <hermanhermitage> maicod: so someone needs to get in under the hood and tune it and make the GPU sing
[6:53] <maicod> indeed
[6:53] <hermanhermitage> but its a balance here broadcom dont provide that much information
[6:53] <MasterGeek> yer hte fellas down @ Pi central should git on that
[6:53] <MasterGeek> seeing as only they got the *&^*&^(^codes
[6:53] <hermanhermitage> tricky as fast X11 probably doesnt help broadcom commercially
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[6:54] <hermanhermitage> but right now you only see a fractoin of what the rpi can do
[6:54] <hermanhermitage> that said anything requiring lots of ram is always going to be a mess
[6:55] <MasterGeek> they should of picked generic arm, and made it 50? would have sold more
[6:56] <squiggles> would it be efficient to use the sd card to supplement the ram
[6:56] <maicod> Ionic: 32GB microsd for 17 euros is not much but its probably slow and I dont need more flash :)
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[6:56] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:57] <Ionic`> dunno just get whatever you need
[6:57] <maicod> ionic: can the amazon.de talk english or not?
[6:57] <Ionic`> unfortunately no
[6:57] <maicod> ok its fine
[6:57] <maicod> I can read german
[6:57] <Ionic`> http://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-HUB-7-Port-ultron-UHN-710-Netzteil/dp/B003JDRUO4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343451331&sr=8-1 lol
[6:57] <Ionic`> 22 GBP
[6:58] <maicod> wow
[6:58] <maicod> UK is expensive
[6:58] <maicod> thats like 27 euros huh?
[6:58] <Ionic`> dunno it's not cheap, for sure
[6:59] <maicod> 28,10
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[6:59] <maicod> I was not far off :)
[6:59] <Ionic`> messed up
[7:00] <squiggles> thats what they get for having a strong economy
[7:00] <maicod> http://www.amazon.de/Transcend-JetFlash-USB-Stick-Frustfreie-Verpackung/dp/B003VNKNDM/ref=sr_1_46?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1343451347&sr=1-46
[7:00] <maicod> LOL
[7:00] <MasterGeek> anyone know how i could echo /dev/ttyAMA0 into irc ?
[7:00] <maicod> it says hi speed ;)
[7:01] <squiggles> i wouldnt worry too much about the distinction between class n and class 10
[7:01] <squiggles> its not going to affect random access
[7:01] <MasterGeek> or if i type !foo it would give me output in channel ?
[7:01] <squiggles> somebody linked SD card benchmarks but i don't have it
[7:01] <maicod> squiggles: thats why I looked for small blocks random write speeds when choosing my SD card
[7:02] <squiggles> that would be more useful for you
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[7:02] <squiggles> nvm found it
[7:02] <maicod> squiggles; I wasnt looking for SD for the Pi now
[7:02] <squiggles> maicod: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjPE3ZAD2eVudE9vZmQ3aHlfTkFvU2J4ZUplRDJQTEE#gid=0
[7:02] <maicod> oh but thanks for that link!
[7:02] <squiggles> can i have a handy now
[7:03] <maicod> squiggles: I had bought the extrememory class10 card
[7:04] <maicod> how does that google docs spreadsheet sort :(
[7:04] <squiggles> do you know how excel works
[7:04] <maicod> oh you need to use selection AND button
[7:04] <maicod> not like websites where u click on a column to sort
[7:05] <Mr_Sheesh> Hmm, squiggles, are the #s on that google doc a speed or a time in seconds? That'd help it make more sense
[7:06] <maicod> never mind I downloaded it and sort in excel locally
[7:06] <maicod> :)
[7:06] <squiggles> MB/s as you might expect, Mr_Sheesh
[7:06] <squiggles> see - you get both speed and time! ;)
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[7:07] <Mr_Sheesh> Just making sure, if it was seconds per test that's different; I deal with a few people who would ask questions like that & they get gripy if I don't document things "properly" (and they'd NEVER know what "CrystalDiskMark" was :P) Gets me to asking everyone obnoxious q's I guess :)
[7:08] <Ionic`> ok... bed time
[7:08] <Ionic`> good night
[7:08] <maicod> sleepwell
[7:08] <Mr_Sheesh> Worse, one of them'd end up talking for 15 minutes about the latest comics he's watched, I need a shock collar for him :P
[7:08] <Mr_Sheesh> Good night
[7:10] <squiggles> you can deflect people like that by being more honest
[7:10] <squiggles> but then you can't be the nice guy in the group
[7:10] <squiggles> pick your poison i guess
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[7:12] <Mr_Sheesh> ... I only get paid if I'm nice, sadly :P
[7:13] <maicod> so outside office hours............. :)
[7:13] <Mr_Sheesh> Yes, they call me then, TOO.
[7:14] <dan408> whoa
[7:14] <dan408> majorly scrolled up
[7:15] <squiggles> i guess you'll be a dicksucker til you quit that job then
[7:16] <maicod> im outa here for now seeya
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[7:20] <dan408> whoa
[7:20] <dan408> squiggles keepin it real son
[7:21] <squiggles> word
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[8:27] <ddproxy> So, is PiBot on a Raspberry Pi?
[8:27] <PiBot> Not at the moment
[8:27] <ddproxy> Snap
[8:27] <PiBot> Only got one pi
[8:27] <ddproxy> Awe
[8:27] <youlysses> So I'm thinking of just having my pi work as a box to ssh into my home-server, and connech to an always running emacsclient. Anyone else doing this?
[8:27] <PiBot> Not gonna use it too run a bot 24/7
[8:28] <youlysses> *connect
[8:28] <ddproxy> I've just been doing a simple heat-test, let my pi run for a few days and see how well it runs afterwards... mainly I don't have the time to get on it and do stuff
[8:28] <DaQatz> PiBot: He ask me not you.
[8:29] <ddproxy> But, I want to connect a camera to it and feed it to a security-feed esrver
[8:29] <PiBot> Wait didn't realize the diff...
[8:29] <youlysses> ddproxy: That'd be a cool use!
[8:30] <ddproxy> Could probably keep a short-log of images in case the server goes down, then re-feed, and support motion-cap
[8:30] <ddproxy> I'm not too good with estimating numbers at how well things will run
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[8:34] <youlysses> Has anyone used their pi as their "main box"? I really think I could, via ssh'n to my home-server.
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[9:04] <rm> youlysses, you could run a VNC server on your home server
[9:04] <rm> run your actual apps (like a browser etc) there
[9:04] <rm> and run only a VNC client on the Pi
[9:05] <rm> except having video and sound from the browser, this will work well
[9:09] <youlysses> rm: Well I don't plan on having anything graphical. Like I said, mostly emacs, so I don't think just ssh and/or mosh should be to much of a problem. ;-)
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[9:22] <rm> well, you could run emacs on the pi itself
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[9:28] <youlysses> rm: Well yeah, but my home-server is directly linked up to a whole bunch of "goodness". I plan to have it on there, just-in-case. :-P
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[9:47] <oddie> hello all
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[9:58] <Pe3k> hello, I have debian squeeze and accidentally I have just overwritten /root/.bashrc ... :) does anybody know what was there? ...is it sth important for boot/start ??? thx
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[10:01] <oddie> ben heck
[10:01] <oddie> woops
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[10:16] <yuh> Hey, I'm about to buy an adapter for my pi. Would one with an output of 5 VDC and 1 A do?
[10:18] <Mr_Sheesh> Yes - 700mA is the absolute minimum
[10:18] <Mr_Sheesh> 1A = 1000mA so that should handle it - So long as it's regulated ofc
[10:19] <yuh> Okay, so is it better than one with 700 mA?
[10:20] <yuh> By the way, what does VDC stand for. Is it just another name for Volts?
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[10:23] <yuh> Ah, direct currentcurrent... Even I should've realized that.
[10:23] <lupinedk> Volt Direct Current afaik
[10:23] <NucWin> Volts DC (aka Direct Current)
[10:23] <NucWin> lol
[10:24] <Mr_Sheesh> So long as it's regulated, it means that 700mA won't strain it at all :)
[10:25] <sam> Pe3k: it is copied from /etc/skel/.bashrc
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[10:32] <Pe3k> sam: thanks
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[10:33] <[SLB]> has anyone tried the EW-7811Un wifi adapter on the raspi?
[10:34] <[SLB]> Edimax
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[10:37] <NucWin> looked on wiki?
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[10:38] <[SLB]> is there a list of supported hw?
[10:38] <[SLB]> let me check
[10:38] <[SLB]> oh yes, it's listed, thanks
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[10:55] <oddie> ive been searching online and it seems others are having issues with sound, Ive tried whats on forums and such but sound seems to be flakey
[10:55] <oddie> ive been searching online and it seems others are having issues with sound, Ive tried whats on forums and such but sound seems to be flakey/
[10:55] <oddie> anyone else having same issues?
[10:55] <oddie> sorry bumped up button and enter...
[10:56] <blkhawk> the analog sound out is said to be flakey yes
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[10:56] <oddie> well this is through hdmi... debian
[10:56] <blkhawk> ah
[10:56] <oddie> so when i use espeak
[10:56] <blkhawk> well then i have no idea - there is still a lot of wierdness and bugs
[10:56] <oddie> the first word or half the first work is not spoken...
[10:56] <blkhawk> did you overclock?
[10:57] <blkhawk> ah I see
[10:57] <oddie> no over clock
[10:57] <blkhawk> you are using raspbian?
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[10:57] <oddie> espeak "hi hello there".... only hello there speaks...lol
[10:58] <oddie> when i run fceu (nes emulator) there is no sound... this could be fceu though
[10:58] <oddie> yeah
[10:58] <oddie> the latest image
[10:58] <oddie> and its up to date
[10:58] <blkhawk> try to play an mp3
[10:58] <oddie> its confusing
[10:58] <blkhawk> see if it isn't an espeak problem
[10:59] <oddie> alright, i'll give it a go
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[11:04] <oddie> bumped power off... yay for me...
[11:05] <sheppard> lol
[11:05] <sheppard> well done sir
[11:06] <oddie> right so when playing mp3 its static, i remember reading something about that ...
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[11:11] <oddie> aplay file.mp3 is the best way to play a file?
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[11:15] <oddie> interesting, loading into gui and vlc doesn't play any sound, well doesn't play the mp3
[11:16] <oddie> any hints and tips?
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[11:38] <oddie> yeah the ppi crashed so i had to restart
[11:38] <oddie> still getting static on mp3 when running aplay
[11:39] <oddie> i can't seem to find where i was reading about the static playing and how to fix it
[11:41] <oddie> massive static when playing an mp3
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[11:43] <Mike632T> Ho can I tell if I can I connect the I2C interface on the Pi to an I2C chip using a 5v supply
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[11:56] <oddie> has anyone had any luck with mednafen? I seem to only get a blank screen
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[11:57] <phire> Mike632T, level converting
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[11:58] <phire> there is a application note somewhere about how to level convert on i2c interfaces
[11:58] <phire> try googling for it
[12:00] <Mr_Sheesh> There's that FET level shifter (that's bidirectional)
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[12:13] <Platz> this might help: https://www.adafruit.com/products/757
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[12:14] <Platz> (4-channel I2C-safe Bi-directional Logic Level Converter)
[12:15] <Mr_Sheesh> Platz - Yes, and that uses the FET trick I'd mentioned. IIRC Philips originally patented it, NXP has it now? Huh
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[12:25] <Platz> ahh
[12:29] <Xark> Mr_Sheesh: I believe NXP is Philips semiconductor biz spun off.
[12:29] <Mr_Sheesh> Darn companies keep selling themselves to the highest bidder etc. etc. - Annoying, all my URLs go bad -.-
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[12:38] <buZz> NXP _is_ philips
[12:39] <buZz> oh sorry, no it isnt :P
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[12:50] <Mike632T> But how do I tell if a level shifter is needed - MCP23017 seems to work fine using a 5v supply and I can drive and the output to the outputs seem to be able to drive TTL ..?
[12:50] <Mike632T> But how do I tell if a level shifter is needed - MCP23017 seems to work fine using a 5v supply and the outputs seem to be able to drive TTL ..?
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[12:55] <phire> thats what datasheets are for
[13:00] <Mike632T> I'm sure the information must be on the datasheet but I don't know what I'm looking for
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[13:10] <mal|lappy> Question: I can't seem to find this answer anywhere, what's the acceptable voltage input range for the raspberry pi?
[13:11] <buZz> 5 volt
[13:11] <buZz> nothing below
[13:11] <buZz> nothing above
[13:11] <mal|lappy> The FAQ says you can power it off a couple AA batteries though?
[13:11] <tcial> Some people got it up to 5.25v but it burnt out pretty quickly
[13:11] <buZz> imho thats the UNacceptable voltage input range ;)
[13:11] <tcial> 5v regulator
[13:11] <buZz> tcial: if i use 4.9 it doesnt work
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[13:11] <buZz> i have a 5v regulator that lets me input 7-24v
[13:12] <tcial> o_O
[13:12] <tcial> Does 5v come out of it?
[13:12] <buZz> i power my raspi from a li+ battery pack
[13:12] <buZz> 3* 3.7 volt
[13:12] <mal|lappy> Well that's crap, the FAQ says NOTHING about a regulator, very misleading
[13:12] <tcial> Cool!
[13:12] <buZz> mal|lappy: on the wiki? you could edit it
[13:12] <mal|lappy> Generally when you ask the question "Can I run off 4xAA batteries isntead of the wall socket", it means it has a wide input range
[13:12] <mal|lappy> No, http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
[13:12] <mal|lappy> That.
[13:12] <buZz> tcial: wanna see my braindump about the project?
[13:12] <buZz> mal|lappy: ah boo
[13:12] <tcial> buZz: Sure :P
[13:12] <buZz> http://nurdspace.nl/Wearable_Computer
[13:12] <mal|lappy> I was about to plug 4xAA batteries into it!
[13:13] <buZz> mal|lappy: dont!
[13:13] <tcial> mal|lappy: You need 5v
[13:13] <tcial> USB power
[13:13] <buZz> get a 7805
[13:13] <mal|lappy> The FAQ says you can! :/
[13:13] <mal|lappy> Someone should change that.
[13:13] <tcial> http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?sugexp=chrome,mod%3D12&q=usb+backup+battery&um=1&hl=en&authuser=0&biw=1169&bih=690&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=5175330389034217998&sa=X&ei=0cgTUL64EsrA0QWisYGACg&ved=0CHoQ8wIwAg
[13:13] <tcial> Check out that
[13:13] <tcial> 5v output
[13:13] <tcial> 3 hours time though xD
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[13:13] <mal|lappy> tcial: Oh I have a bunch of 5V output battery packs
[13:13] <mal|lappy> I'm just angry about the FAQ being misleading
[13:14] <tcial> mal|lappy: USB ones?
[13:14] <buZz> mal|lappy: can you measure the exact voltage coming out?
[13:14] <tcial> I agree though, it is quite misleading
[13:14] <mal|lappy> buZz: Of course, it's 5V. They have regulators inside
[13:14] <mal|lappy> However, I wasn't planning on using a regulated one, glad I asked heh
[13:15] <Mike632T> What is that screen it is tiny !
[13:15] <buZz> Mike632T: camcorder CRT
[13:15] <buZz> former viewfinder ;)
[13:15] <mal|lappy> Is there a datasheet for the PI somewhere?
[13:15] <mal|lappy> Like, I/O specifications, etc?
[13:15] <mal|lappy> Or just the wiki?
[13:15] <buZz> on the elinux wiki maybe?
[13:17] <Xark> mal|lappy: Try http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs (there is a datasheet link too)
[13:17] <reider59> Re rhe MCP23017.....this may help......http://nathan.chantrell.net/
[13:17] <mal|lappy> Ah that's whatI was looking for
[13:17] <mal|lappy> onboard UART, sweet
[13:18] <reider59> *the
[13:18] <mal|lappy> Thanks Xark
[13:18] <reider59> about the third subject down that page
[13:19] <reider59> "he reason why this is safe in this case is that on an I2C bus the clock and data lines are open-drain lines that are pulled high and devices on the I2C bus pull them low to communicate, in this case the Pi is pulling the lines to 3v3 and it and the MCP23017 pull them low, this means the Pi is never exposed to the 5v supplying the MCP23017."
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[13:21] <tcial> ./j #colloquy
[13:22] <paxcoder> can someone tell me what the purpose of the "invoice" pdf is that farnell sends after buying a raspberry pi? do I have to respond? the money is "pending" for some reason.
[13:23] <reider59> If you haven't reveived it yet then it could be the funds are not taken until delivery commences
[13:23] <reider59> *received
[13:24] <paxcoder> reider59: received what? i got the pdf. but the money is stil not "authorized by the merchant"
[13:24] <paxcoder> i don't know what the pdf is for though.
[13:24] <paxcoder> is it just a bill, or do i have to do anything?
[13:24] <reider59> When do you get the Pi, have you got a date?
[13:26] <paxcoder> reider59: there was a previous e-mail to this one simply saying that delivery takes 2-5 days, and that the pi left their warehouse or something.
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[13:26] <paxcoder> i don't see why they haven't taken the money yet then.
[13:27] <reider59> strange, usually the funds are taken when the product is dispatched with Farnell.
[13:27] <reider59> Unless it takes time to go through and changes in a day or so
[13:28] <paxcoder> and in this pdf there's a "despatch"(sic) number, so i'd guess it was dispatched. only i don't see a UPS tracking number anywhere
[13:28] <reider59> Just wait and see what happens because even if you email them I believe they are real slow in replying, if you get one at all
[13:29] <paxcoder> ok, thanks. i just hope i won't pay like 20% for nothing. it's twice as expensive as it should be already...
[13:30] <Mike632T> reider59: will that also be true for other I2C devices like MCP23009, SAA1064/N2 or PCF8591P ?
[13:30] <paxcoder> i also hope the thing's not going to get stuck at customs because i wasn't able to track it.
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[13:31] <sam> paxcoder: ???despatch??? is a perfectly valid spelling variant, btw :)
[13:31] <Mike632T> Can't actually find a value for SDA Output high voltage on the MCP23017 data sheet presumably because it is a slave device..?
[13:31] <paxcoder> oh? ok :-)
[13:31] <reider59> You`d be best to find a post in th eforum by Jason Chantrell and ask him. He posted about the device there and seems quite responsive. Comes from the same town as me too lol
[13:33] <reider59> I can get that chip for less than ?1, tempted.....
[13:33] <Mike632T> OK - Meanwhile if anyone has tried any of the other devices and knows they will work with the Pi - let me know if I'm on line
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[13:35] <Mike632T> If anyone is interested MCP23017 drives 7447 BCD decoders quite nicely - however you cant get 4 7447s, 4 7 segment displays, and an MCP23017 on a single breadboard..
[13:36] <Mike632T> (Which is why I'm interested in the SAA1064/N2 device)
[13:37] <paxcoder> is t here anyone here who boutght their Pi without registering at Farnell, and was able to track the package (find out the UPS nr.)?
[13:38] <mal|lappy> I got mine from newark, got a UPS number when they emailed me to say it shipped
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[13:54] <aaa801> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=12729
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[13:57] <Helldesk> ah, finally got "just scan" enabled on hdmi
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[14:08] <reider59> mmmm smell that bacon being grilled
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[14:09] <reider59> few baked beans, some fresh Danish Bread mmmm
[14:10] <reider59> steaming mug of tea, maybe some rice pudding later
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[14:14] <DrLuke> Does anybody have an idea why this occurs while compiling the bootc kernel? http://pastebin.com/4Y0cy7L4
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[14:18] <[SLB]> paxcoder, my pi from Farnell arrived thru royal mail and there was no way to track it. RS shipped thru DHL, that one was trackable
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[14:21] <Helldesk> seems like this cheapo microusb cable (standard a - micro b) is shoddy quality, using it the voltage drops down to 4 volts at worst :/
[14:22] <Helldesk> so, back to my only one, that at least is reliable but I do need it for other stuff too...
[14:22] <Helldesk> I should just solder my own power connector though, the hardware seems to work so warranty won't be needed
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[14:23] <ReggieUK> DrLuke, no idea specifically but ??set_ect_tcp?? doesn't look like a normal C definition of anything :)
[14:24] <ReggieUK> but that could just be a locales/keyboard layout thing and only affecting the compiler output?
[14:24] <ReggieUK> but at a guess I would say have a look in ipt_ECN.c and look at the lines of code that are referenced by the error
[14:24] <ReggieUK> start at line 29 and work your way down :)
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[14:27] <t7> is it safe to run a model2 on a 5v / 1.2 A ?
[14:28] <IT_Sean> A model 2?
[14:28] <IT_Sean> you mean a model B?
[14:28] <Helldesk> it is safe to run at 5 volts
[14:28] <Helldesk> it will draw as many amps as it needs, you just need to ensure the power supply can supply enough
[14:29] <IT_Sean> 5v. Minimum 700mA (1A recommended)
[14:29] <Helldesk> and if you plug in more than just a keyboard and a mouse, use a powered hub
[14:29] <IT_Sean> ^that too
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[14:30] <booyaa> woooot!
[14:30] <booyaa> i am now a two pi man!
[14:31] <booyaa> my farnell's pi arrived 2 months earlier than my rs one!
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[14:33] <t7> is there no bios?
[14:33] <IT_Sean> ?
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[14:37] <reider59> Who ate all the Pi?
[14:38] <MrZYX> you
[14:38] <reider59> lol could be true
[14:38] * IT_Sean bhurps
[14:39] <reider59> it wasn't me, I was nowhere near and if it was me then they made me do it
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[14:40] <MrZYX> don't you know? don't talk to the police!
[14:40] <MrZYX> you lost the game
[14:40] <reider59> woo hoo free food in prison
[14:40] <MrZYX> the pi is a lie
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[14:44] <t7> i didnt order an SD card :(
[14:44] <t7> im gonna have a cluster of pi's
[14:44] <t7> like 100
[14:45] <t7> emulating a standard x86_64 computer
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[15:04] <booyaa> so to test my new pi, i've take the sd card from the working one booted up.
[15:04] <booyaa> will it be smart enough to update the firmware again if i run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[15:05] <booyaa> running the official debian image
[15:06] <booyaa> interesting looks like firmware most get loaded at boot time: Jul 14 2012 13:11:40 Copyright (c) 2012 Broadcom version 325444 (release)
[15:06] <Crenn-NAS> Woot! My 2nd RPi has been mailed yesterday
[15:06] <booyaa> Crenn-NAS: woot!
[15:07] <booyaa> Crenn-NAS: have done your barcamp talkie yet?
[15:07] <reider59> Must be 2nd Pi news day ;-)
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[15:07] * booyaa was hoping you'd be talking about connecting micro drives to pis :(
[15:07] <booyaa> reider59: totes :D
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[15:07] <ekselkiu> Amongst all the SD card creation documents, I've found nothing that mentions aligning with flash erase blocks.
[15:08] <reider59> the news is so good I'm gonna do a twirl
[15:08] <reider59> I got 4 twin packs cheap lol ;-)
[15:09] <reider59> 4 for ?1
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[15:10] <Helldesk> WOW, this problem SD card I've been complaining about works now even when rebooting! no more minutes-long waits between boots!
[15:11] <Helldesk> all but four packages got updated by apt
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[15:14] <MoleMan> Anyone able to help me with setting up wireless adaptor on my Pi? I have the drivers I think should work but keep getting 'Error: unable to find a version of ndiswrapper!'
[15:14] <MoleMan> trying to use a NetGear N600 -- Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0846:9011 NetGear, Inc. WNDA3100v2 802.11abgn [Broadcom BCM4323]
[15:15] <ekselkiu> ndiswrapper hasn't a hope of working.
[15:16] <ekselkiu> ndiswrapper runs Windows drivers, and Windows drivers are invariably compiled for x86 or x86_64.
[15:17] <MoleMan> riiight... well when I was googling for how do get this dongle to work, the closest/only things I found said NDIS... moving on... Do you know how to get it to work then please?
[15:18] <ekselkiu> Yes, it probably will work with ndiswrapper on an x86 or x86_64 computer.
[15:18] <ekselkiu> But the Raspberry Pi is an ARM computer - a completely different instruction set.
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[15:20] <ekselkiu> According to http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43, BCM4323 isn't supported.
[15:20] <MoleMan> so no way to get it to work at all?
[15:21] <ziltro> Heh. Broadcom wireless LAN won't work on Broadcom CPU.
[15:21] <ekselkiu> I don't think so, no.
[15:22] <ekselkiu> Unless ndiswrapper can just-in-time compile the driver :)
[15:23] <MoleMan> right... would you know how / what I need to do to try that? or would I probably be wasting my time?
[15:23] <ziltro> Surely it is already compiled?
[15:23] <reider59> stop calim shirley
[15:24] <reider59> * calling him
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[15:24] <MoleMan> and do you know of / would you recommend any reasonably cheap micro-dongles that would work easil as I intend on buying a dedicated adaptor for it at some point anyway...
[15:24] <swecide> edup based on rtl8188
[15:25] <swecide> I bought one from madeinchina.com a couple of months ago for like 5 dollars, was very easy to set up on the pi
[15:25] <reider59> Edimax 7811Un, script in the forum
[15:26] <reider59> less than a tenner, small, fits and works direct in th eUSB port
[15:26] <reider59> << going on BF3 now
[15:30] <ekselkiu> How can I tell if a binary is armhf or armel?
[15:30] <Ionic`> ... what?
[15:30] <Ionic`> hard float or little endian?
[15:30] <Ionic`> that question doesn't even make sense
[15:31] <ekselkiu> OK, I misunderstood "el" :P
[15:31] <ekselkiu> How can I tell if a binary is using hard float or not, then? :)
[15:31] <Ionic`> ekselkiu: wait
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[15:32] <Ionic`> ekselkiu: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/rpi-update
[15:33] <plugwash> Ionic`, it makes sense if you consider "armel" and "armhf" as debian architecture names
[15:33] <Ionic`> plugwash: meh not even than, as that's also refering to different ARM versions "without stating it"
[15:34] <Crenn-NAS> booyaa: Yep
[15:34] <Ionic`> *then
[15:35] <Crenn-NAS> booyaa: It's actually not too hard to get it working
[15:35] <Crenn-NAS> Although I need to be able to set something up before I post a how to on it
[15:35] <ekselkiu> Thanks Ionic`
[15:35] <Ionic`> readelf-stuff... as you probably guessed :p
[15:36] <plugwash> anyway the answer is readelf -A <binary name>
[15:36] <plugwash> and look for Tag_ABI_VFP_args
[15:36] <ekselkiu> Which is not there.
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[15:36] <plugwash> then it's an armel binary
[15:36] <Ionic`> right
[15:37] <ekselkiu> I got fobbed off with an inefficient build then :)
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[15:38] <Crenn-NAS> booyaa: My talk will be on youtube in a couple of hours
[15:39] <ekselkiu> What talk's that?
[15:39] <chandoo> hello
[15:40] <ekselkiu> Hello.
[15:40] <booyaa> Crenn-NAS: good stuff
[15:40] <chandoo> i have failed to fetch rt2x00_lib
[15:40] <IT_Sean> 'ello
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[15:40] <aaa801> 2x raspberry pi, bid is currently ?51.95, 1hour left :D http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271022314399?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
[15:40] <Helldesk> does the default debian support audio on the raspberry pi yet?
[15:40] <chandoo> rt2x00lib_request_firmware failed to request firmware
[15:41] <Ionic`> chandoo: debian? apt-get install firmware-ralink
[15:41] <chandoo> i am using xbmc, where can i download the firmware
[15:41] <Helldesk> does it have alsa or pulse or whatever clusterf... linux has for audio?
[15:41] <Ionic`> oh, xbmc
[15:41] <chandoo> Ionic`:- i have only wireless
[15:41] <Ionic`> in that gcase, google
[15:41] <Ionic`> chandoo: well you will need to get the firmware somehow
[15:41] <chandoo> i like to download the firmware and copy it
[15:41] <Ionic`> I don't care how, you could even copy it to the SD card
[15:42] <chandoo> yes that is what my plan is, where to get firmware
[15:42] <Ionic`> what is XBMC using?
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[15:42] <IT_Sean> :3
[15:43] <Ionic`> that is, how do you install stuff there?
[15:43] <IT_Sean> Bow before the supreme overlord of the channel :P
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[15:43] <Ionic`> "urpmi"?
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[15:43] <chandoo> Ionic`:- i put dlink card which has ralink chipset rt2x
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[15:44] <chandoo> i am using this https://rpi-developers.com/frs/?group_id=10
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[15:45] <DexterLB> I have arch linux. Do I need a GPU driver or something, or do I just install X and it will work?
[15:45] <aaa801> theres no accelerated x
[15:45] <Crenn-NAS> ekselkiu: Microcontrollers, getting started
[15:47] <Ionic`> chandoo: http://www.ralinktech.com/en/04_support/support.php?sn=501 ?
[15:47] <DexterLB> I don't mean accelerated
[15:48] <chandoo> Ionic`:- thank you
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[15:49] <DexterLB> when trying to startx I get: no screens found
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[15:54] <DexterLB> found it - xf86-video-fbdev
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[16:02] <Helldesk> oh, sudo aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav works ok as per http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Sound
[16:02] <Helldesk> but mplayer does not find alsa
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[16:17] <t7> any of you guys manage to get 'arch linux arm' to run on qemu?
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[16:28] <ziltro> Hmm, is omxplayer meant to run in X or on the console?
[16:28] * kripton is now known as Kripton
[16:28] <ziltro> And... it there anything special you're meant to do to make it work?
[16:32] <ziltro> urrently with I run it and give it a file it says:
[16:32] <ziltro> file : BDMV/STREAM/00010.m2ts reult 0 format mpegts audio streams 7 video streams 3 chapters 0 subtitles 24
[16:32] <ziltro> have a nice day ;)
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[16:32] <ziltro> And that's it.
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[16:45] <DexterLB> is there a qemu distro for the rpi that can be used to compile rpi-compatible binaries?
[16:46] <Ionic`> why don't you cross-compile?
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[16:47] <DexterLB> Ionic`: because I want to compile Haskell :P
[16:47] <t7> DexterLB: im running arch in qemu
[16:47] <t7> is it not binary compatible?
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[16:48] <DexterLB> t7: oh?
[16:48] <Ionic`> uhm...
[16:48] <Ionic`> well if there is a armv6hf variant for qemu..
[16:48] <DexterLB> or virtualbox, or whatever :)
[16:49] <ziltro> Virtualbox doesn't do ARM
[16:49] <Ionic`> vbox doesn't do anything but x86/amd64
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[16:49] <DexterLB> hmm http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/02/18/raspberry-pi-releases-1st-sd-card-image-debian-how-to-use-it-in-the-emulator/
[16:51] <t7> im running arm1176
[16:51] <t7> thats what all the docs said
[16:51] <DexterLB> sweet
[16:52] <DexterLB> so you just pop in the root partition and run as arm1176?
[16:52] <t7> http://wiki.soslug.org/wiki/raspberry_pi_emulation
[16:52] <t7> you need the kernel too
[16:52] <t7> i duno why
[16:53] <ziltro> It needs to run a kernel or it can't do a lot
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[16:54] <plugwash> AIUI it's possible to make qemu run armv6 hardloat but it needs a special kernel built for hardware that doesn't exist
[16:55] <plugwash> http://archive.raspbian.org/qemu/raspbian_qemu_image.tar.bz2 contains the special kernel and details of what settings are needed iirc
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[16:59] <DexterLB> wonder if I'll be able to make a qemu raspi, mount the real raspi's root fs in it with nfs, chroot into the real raspi from the qemu raspi, and compile stuff on the qemu while using the physical raspi's filesystem :D
[16:59] <DexterLB> seems achievable, but an allnighter
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[17:01] <ReggieUK> seems pointless if you can just remove the sd card from the pi and chroot into the sd card and compile from there
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[17:01] <ReggieUK> distcc seems more interesting
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[17:04] <DexterLB> remove the sd card. brilliant.
[17:04] <DexterLB> how didn't I think of that
[17:05] <ReggieUK> or you can chroot to an image
[17:05] <ReggieUK> mounted via a loop device
[17:06] <ReggieUK> then you're not limited by any read/write bottlenecks on the sd card
[17:06] <DexterLB> no need to chroot, just run qemu from the sd card :D
[17:06] <DexterLB> yeah, that's true too
[17:07] <ReggieUK> I followed instructions that worked on an image, I'm not really too sure how the relationship between qemu and chroot works
[17:07] <ReggieUK> all I know is I chroot into the image and stuff works :D
[17:07] <ReggieUK> apt-get update/upgrade is much faster
[17:07] <Ionic`> reggienald!
[17:08] <ReggieUK> and make and all that jazz
[17:08] <DexterLB> ReggieUK: oh?
[17:08] <DexterLB> ReggieUK: how come that works?
[17:08] <ReggieUK> make j3 on a raspbian chroot, whoooooooooosh
[17:08] <ReggieUK> make -j3 even
[17:09] <DexterLB> i mean, for chroot to work, shouldn't the two sides be binary-compatible?
[17:09] <ReggieUK> I'll do it in my vm later
[17:09] <DexterLB> aka you can only chroot to an arm system from an arm system
[17:09] <Ionic`> DexterLB: well... not for compiling only
[17:09] <ReggieUK> well, that's the point of chroot and qemu
[17:09] <Ionic`> yes
[17:09] <Ionic`> I don't know what chroot reggie is talking about
[17:10] <Ionic`> meh... breakfast time
[17:10] <ReggieUK> let me find the link
[17:10] <DexterLB> :]
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[17:10] <ReggieUK> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/855/is-it-possible-to-update-upgrade-and-install-software-before-flashing-an-image
[17:10] <ReggieUK> qemu is the key
[17:11] <ReggieUK> you are literally compiling via the pi kernel on a random host cpu
[17:11] <DexterLB> could you please tinyurl that? I'm on a primitive console and can't copy it :/
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[17:12] <DexterLB> what I meant was, can't I run quemu directly off the sd card or off an image and wooooooooo
[17:12] <DexterLB> :D
[17:12] <DexterLB> no need for an extra chroot
[17:13] <ReggieUK> http://tinyurl.com/bndg33c
[17:13] <ReggieUK> I'm not entirely sure what your setup is
[17:13] <ReggieUK> this uses qemu and a single chroot
[17:14] <ReggieUK> it's up to you where you setup the chroot
[17:14] <ReggieUK> it can be directly on your SD card
[17:14] <ReggieUK> or it can be an image
[17:14] <ReggieUK> or a bunch of nfs shares across the net
[17:14] <ReggieUK> or some random folders on your hdd
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[17:15] <ReggieUK> the key is having the qemu binary in the right place in the chroot
[17:15] <ReggieUK> I think :D
[17:15] <DexterLB> I really need sleep, but I'm too excited about this cross-compiling stuff :D
[17:16] <ReggieUK> well, it's not true cross compiling
[17:16] <ReggieUK> because it's using the native (pi) compiler
[17:16] <DexterLB> indeed
[17:16] <ReggieUK> I've got to say, it seems, so far, to be the easiest way that I've seen
[17:16] <ReggieUK> install -dev stuff via apt-get
[17:17] <ReggieUK> compile stuff you've pulled from git
[17:17] <ReggieUK> no different to compiling on the pi
[17:18] <ReggieUK> tbh I'm not sure -j3 has any bearing on how fast it compiles
[17:19] <ReggieUK> it could well be that qemu just chews up as much processing power as is available to it on the host, so could quite easily not be doing a -j3 via the pi kernel/compiler
[17:25] <DexterLB> erm, don't think qemu can split single threads across multiple host threads
[17:25] <DexterLB> you still need -jx
[17:26] <DexterLB> also, you need to tell qemu to emulate X cpu's, afaik
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[17:28] <DexterLB> hmm, how do I configure the display resolution?
[17:28] <DexterLB> xorg?
[17:28] <ReggieUK> I think I set mine in config.txt on the actual pi
[17:29] <ReggieUK> haven't setup X for the qemu/chroot, I don't think that works
[17:30] <DexterLB> I'm asking for the physical pi :D
[17:30] <DexterLB> so, config.txt it is
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[17:31] <sam> I chose to do my cross compilation without even qemu or a Pi
[17:32] <ekselkiu> Enjoy your build script dissecting.
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[17:33] <buZz> sam: ehr, if you use qemu or a pi, its not cross compiling
[17:33] <sam> buZz: yes it is, if you use distcc and a cross compiler
[17:33] <buZz> yeah but qemu would allow you to run a native compiler
[17:34] <buZz> _not_ a cross compiler
[17:34] <ReggieUK> buZz, I did try and point that out a few lines back
[17:34] <sam> buZz: you are right, but that's not what the discussion was about
[17:34] <buZz> and you are awesome for sharing my opinion :)
[17:34] <ReggieUK> ha :D
[17:34] * buZz is easy today
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[17:35] <ReggieUK> tbh the discussion was around qemu/chroot/cross compiling
[17:35] <ReggieUK> so it's all good really
[17:35] <buZz> did you ever play with the tool 'crossdev' on gentoo?
[17:35] <buZz> its insanely awesome
[17:35] <ReggieUK> no but I played with a mentalist build system on a leapfrog didj
[17:36] <sam> I used to build my project in 4 hours
[17:36] <ReggieUK> PAIN
[17:36] <buZz> within-portage upgradable toolchain for arbitrary archs
[17:36] <sam> with distcc + cross-compiler + native linking it was down to 14 minutes
[17:36] <ReggieUK> and I've used another system that builds everything (including the toolchain) from sources
[17:36] <sam> with full cross-compilation it's 2 minutes 30
[17:37] <ReggieUK> not sure I've seen a proper cross compilation write up for the pi yet
[17:37] <ReggieUK> a few chroot/qemu/scratchbox methods
[17:38] <ReggieUK> distcc does sound appealing though
[17:38] <sam> for autoconf-based projects it's really just a matter of passing --host to ./configure and setting a few environment variables
[17:38] <sam> others such as SCons are a pain in the butt and I'm happy I don't have to deal with these
[17:38] <mikma> C++... what's the difference between int and long int, double and long double?
[17:38] <ReggieUK> I guess so but for the uninitiated it's not as simple as that
[17:39] <sam> mikma: long int can be larger than int; long double can be larger than double; but not always
[17:39] <sam> mikma: usually int is 32-bits, long int is 32 or 64, double is 64, long double is 96 or 128
[17:39] <mikma> sam: when i look at this chart, it tells me that int + long int are same sized and has same range, same goes with double and long double
[17:40] <mikma> oh.. bits
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[17:42] <sam> mikma: depends the platforms; they can be the same size, yes
[17:43] <mikma> sam: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/271076/what-is-the-difference-between-an-int-and-a-long-in-c/271132 <- apparently it depends yeah
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[17:44] <buZz> we used to have a big distcc ring in .nl
[17:44] <buZz> just x86, nothing cross
[17:45] <buZz> but very nice to use 20+ hosts to compile /bin/ls ;)
[17:45] <sam> inb4 trojans in .o's
[17:45] <buZz> heh
[17:45] <buZz> weirdly we had 0 abuse ;)
[17:46] <buZz> it also helped it was on a private VPN network
[17:46] <buZz> ehr, -network
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[18:09] <yehnan> this might be a stupid question: how to subscribe the RSS of http://www.raspberrypi.org ?
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[18:12] <dwatkins> yehnan: paste the URL into google reader?
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[18:14] <yehnan> dwatkins: well, i don't use online reader, I use firefox addon Brief
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[18:16] <dwatkins> yehnan: try giving it this URL: http://www.raspberrypi.org/feed
[18:17] <yehnan> dwatkins: thanks, it works. well, why I can't find the rss url on main page? :D
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[18:20] <ekselkiu> Firefox has RSS support built-in.
[18:20] <ekselkiu> Also, Firefox displays a feed icon in the address bar when a feed is available.
[18:20] <booyaa> utterly baffled by this led 7 segmented display
[18:21] <booyaa> it's as if the polarity's wrong way around
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[18:24] <plugwash> define "wrong way round". you can buy 7 segment displays with either polarity
[18:24] <ReggieUK> common anode or common cathode
[18:24] <IT_Sean> O_o
[18:24] <[SLB]> yeap
[18:26] <booyaa> well it's me own doing, bought some "cheap" leds. looking at the data sheet it looks like this: http://www.hacktronics.com/Tutorials/arduino-and-7-segment-led.html
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[18:26] <booyaa> so pins 3 and 8 are meant to eb ground the other 8 are for the segment and dot
[18:27] <ekselkiu> Uh, that's not a data sheet.
[18:27] <ekselkiu> The data sheet for your particular product will tell you if it's common cathode or common anode, and it'll give you a pin-out diagram.
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[18:29] <booyaa> is it likely if pins 3 and 8 are A(C)
[18:29] <booyaa> does that denote common cathod?
[18:30] <BlackBishop> there should be a HWCLOCKACCESS=no in /etc/default/hwclock in the default image ..
[18:30] <BlackBishop> right !?
[18:30] <buZz> booyaa: just get the datasheet ;) should be on the website of the store where you bought it
[18:30] <booyaa> i've got a bit of paper with the pin out, looks like it's gone from mandarin to german
[18:31] <booyaa> guess what i don't speak german :D
[18:31] <plugwash> anyway it's easy enough to test it, if it behaves like a common cathode display then it is a common cathode display
[18:31] <HUmar104> lol i got the same. With these things you could just plug vcc and gnd until a segment lights up, then you know where everything is.
[18:31] <[SLB]> in that pic, it's cathode, not sure whether it matches the 7 segments u got tho?
[18:32] <buZz> booyaa: take a picture, push to google docs, let it OCR it and press 'translate'
[18:32] <buZz> even works with mandarin ;)
[18:32] <booyaa> actually that's a good idea, will give that a go i've got google goggles on my phone
[18:32] <buZz> ;)
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[18:36] <[SLB]> where do you people usually buy electronic components online from?
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[18:37] <ekselkiu> Farnell; Rapid Online; Craplin Electronics
[18:37] <[SLB]> nice thanks
[18:37] <fredefl> Hello there guys!
[18:37] <ekselkiu> By Craplin I mean Maplin
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[18:38] <[SLB]> lol, that sounded a bit weird indeed
[18:38] <[SLB]> okies eheh
[18:38] <fredefl> Can I use an excessive amount of AA cells to power the RPI w/ perpherials?
[18:38] <ekselkiu> There's also Digikey. I've never used them.
[18:39] <ekselkiu> fredefl: Yes, but it's not straightforward.
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[18:39] <fredefl> I suppose I have to use rechargeable so I don't need a lot of regulation
[18:39] <fredefl> The 1.2V *4 = 4.8V
[18:39] <fredefl> Which should be in range
[18:40] <[SLB]> but would that be enough?
[18:40] <ekselkiu> I wouldn't be happy without a regulator. Besides, four batteries isn't "an excessive amount".
[18:40] <fredefl> Nope
[18:40] <fredefl> But I could hook load of those up ;)
[18:40] <fredefl> *loads
[18:40] <ekselkiu> Yeah, that's not easy.
[18:41] <ekselkiu> (Clue: don't put them in parallel.)
[18:41] <fredefl> *Overvoltage*
[18:41] <fredefl> So I can get some 2700 mAh cells
[18:42] <fredefl> 1.2V *2.7A = 3,24W
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately not.
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> The Pi regulator is specified for a maximum voltage of 5.5V
[18:42] <SpeedEvil> Fresh AA NiMH*4 will exceed this.
[18:43] <fredefl> Guess I'll have to use them a bit then ;)
[18:43] <SpeedEvil> Plus, the Pi only works down to about 4.5V, which will not use all of the capacity.
[18:43] <fredefl> Or should I say, misuse them.
[18:43] <[SLB]> does the regulator threshold it at 5.5 or just opens the circuit?
[18:43] <fredefl> So how do I go about a regulator?
[18:45] <fredefl> Or, have you guys made a battery rig? :-D
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[18:48] <Ionic`> jupiterbroadcasting...
[18:48] <fredefl> wut?
[18:48] <Ionic`> like, when RMS wanted brian's daughter to die?
[18:48] <fredefl> -.-
[18:49] <Ionic`> what? :p
[18:49] <ekselkiu> Huh??
[18:49] <youlysses> Ionic`: Yeah, Brian was WAY to deffinsive ...
[18:50] <Ionic`> I would have stopped talking if I were him
[18:50] <youlysses> Did he think RMS, who has been consistant for 30+ years would be "Oh, you have a child, so you're the one exception."?
[18:51] <Ionic`> "consistant" is a nice word for RMS
[18:51] <Ionic`> better than the one I had in mind
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[18:52] <youlysses> Ionic`: Love him, or hate him, he has been one of the most consistant "leaders" I've ever seen.
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[18:53] <ekselkiu> Indeed.
[18:53] <Ionic`> I tend to hating him
[18:53] <Ionic`> Not saying some of his ideas are bad, but for the most part is talking crazy bullshit
[18:53] <Ionic`> crazy, radical bullshit
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[18:55] <youlysses> Ionic`: How is it "crazy"? I'll give you radical. (I'm speaking about his views on software and/or technology, please don't bring the all-to-common strawman of his personal, unrelated views.)
[18:56] <Ionic`> youam: for instance, how can you call the GPL "free"?
[18:56] <Ionic`> It's not free.
[18:56] <Ionic`> WTFPL or whatever may be free, but not his GPL.
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[18:56] <SpeedEvil> In many places, free is a problem.
[18:57] <SpeedEvil> Public domain doesn't exist in the UK, for example.
[18:57] <youlysses> Ionic`: Do you say the US Consitution and/or laws are truely "free"?
[18:57] <Ionic`> youlysses: I don't know the US constitution, thus I can't answer that question
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[19:00] <youlysses> Ionic`: Ok, so let's just scale it back to "fair" laws, that are meant to protect the public. Do you think that limiting my right to rape and murder people makes me less free than not? Probally. But is it better for just about everyone that in the confinds of law, I can-not? I'd say. Total Freedom, is total chaos. There's a balance that should be maintained.
[19:01] <Ionic`> youlysses: ok, I agree with that
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[19:02] <Ionic`> youlysses: however, comparing software and rape is unfair
[19:03] <youlysses> Ionic`: I wasn't.
[19:03] <ReggieUK> especially on this channel :)
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[19:04] <Ionic`> youlysses: I just don't see any reason for limiting anything when it comes to software because there's nothing that's "better for just about everyone"
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[19:07] <youlysses> Ionic`: "better for just about everyone" is way to big of a spectrum to try to satisfy. It's impossible to satisfy everyone, and everyone *should not* be satisfied. Again, refering back to my last example, should we try to make system's that make it easier on people who break "important" laws?
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> What Ho Good Pi people!
[19:10] <youlysses> Ionic`: Also in the tech-space, should we try to make it better for the user or the maker of a piece of software and/or hardware? The fact that I can by a phone, or soon to be a laptop/desktop, and I have a chance that I won't be-able to put what I want, on *my* device is just crazy to me.
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[19:11] <Ionic`> youlysses: in your last example, "better for just about everyone" could have been substituted with "doesn't harm anyone"... and in this respect... well, software won't
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[19:12] <Ionic`> youlysses: that you're locked-out of your own device may be immoral, but if you don't like it, don't buy it
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[19:15] <youlysses> Ionic`: It won't? So you're saying that a piece of proprietarry software couldn't do something shaddy you weren't aware of. This has been documented, time again,not just in 3rd-party shareware, but past versions of Windows have been *known* to have backdoors, and current versions are speculated. Also with the rise of systems like android, it's been increasing more and more in the mobile-space too.
[19:15] <youlysses> Ionic`: What if I want an Arm tablet it a year from now?
[19:16] <Ionic`> youlysses: uhm what, who said that proprietary software is clean of shaddy code, backdoors and everything?
[19:16] <Ionic`> then again, so can be open source code
[19:17] <fredefl> But you can detect it by looking at the source
[19:17] <ekselkiu> You are getting confused between the idea of free software, and the licences.
[19:17] <youlysses> Ionic`: I'm saying that it's very possible, and can happen. Also this is also in issuse in FOSS, but the diffrence is the code is peer reviewed.
[19:17] <youlysses> fredefl: Exactly.
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[19:18] <Ionic`> fredefl: you could, right, so?
[19:18] <fredefl> Yeah, you have to be skilled and read the source of course
[19:18] <Ionic`> you could also take a look at the binary
[19:18] <Ionic`> and detect it
[19:18] <Ionic`> so... yeah, and?
[19:18] <fredefl> If you don't it's pretty much the same, although you can hope that somebody else did
[19:19] <ekselkiu> Believing free software is good and disliking the GPL are compatible.
[19:19] <fredefl> But it's MUCH harder
[19:19] <Ionic`> I always expect the world to be bad, but that's my personal opinion only
[19:19] <youlysses> fredefl: That's why communites like Debian's are so helpful (most of the time).
[19:20] <fredefl> You know that's why we know that there's no backdoors in Linux, right? (Well well...)
[19:20] <Ionic`> ekselkiu: sure, I never said free software is bad :)
[19:20] <fredefl> But I prefer open source software!
[19:20] <ekselkiu> Ionic`: No, but that's how youlysses is interpreting you.
[19:20] <Ionic`> fredefl: lol, as if
[19:21] <BlackBishop> any particular reason why my eth0 wouldn't start without ifplugd !?
[19:21] <youlysses> ekselkiu: Correct. It seems like many don't seem to get there's a diffrence between free-software, and copyleft.
[19:21] <Ionic`> ekselkiu: nah, he's saying that we need boundaries to really be free and not sink into chaos
[19:21] <ekselkiu> (Richard Stallman wrote Linux and invented open source software, right?) :D
[19:21] <fredefl> Huh?
[19:21] <Ionic`> /kick ekselkiu
[19:21] <youlysses> Ionic`: Bingo.
[19:21] <BlackBishop> .. /etc/init.d/networking stop / start doesn't get eth0 up
[19:21] <fredefl> Didn't Linus Torvalds do that?
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[19:21] <Ionic`> I hope ekselkiu was trolling
[19:22] <youlysses> fredefl: es, I think he was trollin'
[19:22] <youlysses> *Yes
[19:22] <ekselkiu> I was joking, hence the ":D"
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[19:22] <ekselkiu> BlackBishop: What does /etc/networking/interfaces contain?
[19:22] <Ionic`> but I disagree
[19:22] <jjsako> any of you guys running multi computers and monitors with Mice and Keyboards? Have you tried Synergy, IP KVM?
[19:23] <youlysses> ekselkiu: Networking info. It tells our system how to connect to wifi or eth0
[19:23] <youlysses> Or are you asking what his has in it...?
[19:23] <youlysses> :-L
[19:23] <ekselkiu> >_< I know that, I was wondering what *his* contained :)
[19:24] <jjsako> http://youtu.be/3HdAJ1N8e1I how cool is this?
[19:24] <SpeedEvil> Open source software was common before the antitrust breakup of IBM.
[19:24] <ekselkiu> "Synergy" wasn't a great name for the project. Now it sounds like marketing.
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[19:24] <Ionic`> anyway, I'll just continue to use BSD licenses for everything I do and be happy about it :p
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> It was not unusual for most software to come with source.
[19:25] <jjsako> It's FOSS
[19:25] <ekselkiu> Ionic`: Thank you.
[19:25] <SpeedEvil> And for makers to accept patches.
[19:25] <Ionic`> And keep thinking that RMS is weird
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[19:25] <youlysses> Ionic`: Which is completley fine. I always say, I much prefer someone liking a permisive license over a copyleft one, if the other option is proprietarry. :-)
[19:25] <BlackBishop> ekselkiu: added eth0 at the end of the "auto lo" line ! :) fixed .. yey ..
[19:26] <jjsako> I'm running 3 computers including my PI from a single mouse and KB....SO cool
[19:26] <BlackBishop> the image provided for defaults could use a lil' tweaking
[19:26] <Ionic`> but then again, I don't mind using proprietary software either so *shrug*
[19:26] <BlackBishop> and we could all use I guess a more stripped down version
[19:26] <ekselkiu> BlackBishop: OK. If you didn't know, "ifup eth0" would've brought your interface up.
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[19:26] <youlysses> Ionic`: Well so am I. Go to an engeering and comp/sci school, and you'll see he's actually (scarily enough) pretty normal.
[19:27] <BlackBishop> ekselkiu: I know, but I was wondering about start-up !
[19:27] <Ionic`> and what's more important: even if I don't like RMS or his philosophical views, I don't tell him to die
[19:27] <BlackBishop> it seems it uses ifplugd by default which I removed ..
[19:28] <ekselkiu> What's this "telling him to die" bit from?
[19:28] <youlysses> ekselkiu: I was wondering that ... :-L
[19:28] <Ionic`> ekselkiu: the jupiterbroadcasting talk with RMS? :p
[19:28] <Ionic`> then again you may have not seen it
[19:29] <ekselkiu> If it's the one I'm thinking of, he didn't say anything of the sort.
[19:29] <youlysses> Ionic`: I don't remember Brian or Chris say he should "Die ..."?
[19:29] <ReggieUK> jjsako, I've been using synergy for a couple of days or so with the pi
[19:30] <ekselkiu> One of the interviewers was defending non-free software because he "had to feed his kids" or something. Richard pointed out that that's a stupid argument, because you could use it to defend anything.
[19:30] <Ionic`> youlysses: nah, he said he was fine with his daughter dieing/famishing cause his daddy is writing proprietary software and should stop
[19:30] <jjsako> Really impressed Reg...
[19:30] <ReggieUK> it's certainly useful
[19:30] <Ionic`> *sigh*
[19:31] <Ionic`> anyone wanna wash and get me ready so that I can go out to fetch the USB HDD case for the raspi and finally start gentoo stuff?
[19:31] <youlysses> Ionic`: No. He said he shouldn't be using is child as an exuse, so if he can't find a job doing "free-software", he should be doing something else as a living. *VERY* diffrent.
[19:31] <Ionic`> I'm so freakishly unmotivated
[19:32] <jjsako> so where are you based Reg?
[19:32] <ReggieUK> germany
[19:32] <jjsako> forces?
[19:32] <Ionic`> Germany?
[19:32] <ekselkiu> It's the same argument as "I go around killing people and taking their money, because I've got to feed my children."
[19:32] <ReggieUK> the clue is really in my name
[19:33] <Ionic`> ekselkiu, youlysses: if you see it this way... ok
[19:33] <ekselkiu> I don't think there's another consistent way to see it tbh.
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[19:33] <jjsako> Aye I saw the UK bit :)
[19:33] <Dagger2> I don't see why he couldn't earn money if the proprietry software was instead Free software
[19:33] <ekselkiu> ReggieUK: Whereabouts in the UK?
[19:33] <youlysses> Ionic`: Watch it again, that's what he said.
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[19:34] <ReggieUK> south coast
[19:34] <Dagger2> I mean, presumably his company will still have the client, who still wants the software to be written, and that'll still be the case even if the source for the program is available
[19:34] <jjsako> well gotta be English because it's the UK :)
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[19:34] <jjsako> Sarf East Kent.
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[19:35] <Dagger2> (except, I suppose, in the case where the client doesn't need the software written because there's already another piece of Free software out there that does the job -- in which that's a good thing because it's more efficient, and his company isn't wasting resources rewriting something that's been done before)
[19:35] <jjsako> So Reg any good apps on Arm you suggest?>
[19:35] <Ionic`> youlysses: maybe you're right, I can't remember anymore, when in doubt, I'm wrong
[19:35] <youlysses> Dagger2: He acctually tried to "opensource" his code, but his software wasn't really popular enough to sustain it. He wanted to people to suscribe to paying a set amount every month.
[19:35] <jjsako> Last time I asked you pointed me to a game
[19:35] <ReggieUK> nope, nothing in particular :)
[19:36] <jjsako> So when is X gonna get speeded up?
[19:37] <ReggieUK> when someone writes the code to do it
[19:37] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[19:37] <youlysses> Meh, Xorg.
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[19:38] * youlysses still wants to see a windowing system made to render a graphical emacs session, full-screen.
[19:38] <Ionic`> s/emacs/vim/
[19:39] <ekselkiu> youlysses: Could you explain a bit more?
[19:39] <Ionic`> hm actually... is the raspi project also helping X on android?
[19:40] <Ionic`> it's basically using the same hardware, also via OpenGLES
[19:40] <ekselkiu> youlysses: Why? Because of the user interface, or what?
[19:40] <youlysses> About "meh xorg", or my want for a minimal emacs-based windowing system?
[19:41] <ekselkiu> The latter.
[19:41] <ekselkiu> Because you can get tiling window managers, etc.
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[19:41] <youlysses> Ionic`: If I want a text-editor, I'd might use vim, but Emacs is a whole envirment.
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[19:42] <youlysses> *enviroment
[19:42] <youlysses> ekselkiu: How familar are you with emacs?
[19:42] <buZz> Ionic`: i dont think we will ever see X on Android
[19:42] <ekselkiu> youlysses: I know how to exit it :P
[19:42] <youlysses> buZz: You'll probally see wayland.
[19:42] <buZz> possibly yes
[19:43] <buZz> still i think google will not approve of it
[19:43] <youlysses> ekselkiu: Emacs essentially has a tilling wm built in. I'm right now I'm in a frame with 8 irc windows open. :-P
[19:44] <Ionic`> youlysses: heh
[19:44] <ekselkiu> youlysses: Yes, but you can already get tiling window managers. I wondered what else you wanted in a windowing system that Emacs has.
[19:44] <Ionic`> buZz: : what? there already is
[19:45] <buZz> wut
[19:45] <buZz> have a link?
[19:46] <Ionic`> buZz: http://my20percent.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/android-x-server/
[19:47] <youlysses> ekselkiu: One could probally think of Emacs as essentially a whole text-centrix DE with: irc,mail,media-player,wm,calc,shell,etc,etc,etc. There would be no *major* gains from having a windowing-system besides graphically i'd be alot lighter/simpler than xorg or wayland. I'd be specific to only work with Emacs. But I'm also the guy who wants a whole emacs distro. :-P
[19:48] <youlysses> ekselkiu: Right now I'm in Emacs via the shell, and it works, and works quite well, but there are some nicities of the graphical session that the cli just can't do.
[19:49] <ekselkiu> Emacs can use X though, can't it?
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[19:50] <youlysses> ekselkiu: It can, and work has been done to get running on wayland, which is nice, but not my "dream" system.
[19:50] <youlysses> *it's
[19:50] <ekselkiu> Hmm, I don't think I'd like your dream system very much, :)
[19:51] <youlysses> ekselkiu: Well that's understandable. :-)
[19:52] <youlysses> ekselkiu: The thing is, I assume you don't spend 70-90% of your time on a computer in it. X-D
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[19:54] <ekselkiu> youlysses: In what, emacs?
[19:54] <ekselkiu> No, I use vim :D
[19:56] <youlysses> ekselkiu: Which is fine. The thing is Vi(m) is just a (very good) text editor, and Emacs, lame as it sounds, a life-style. I haven't heard of many people who have tried emacs, feel in love with it, yet don't live there. :-P
[19:57] <ekselkiu> youlysses: Indeed. Emacs is closer to an operating system than a text editor :)
[19:57] <[SLB]> any comprehensive tutorial that lets you try all, or most of, the functionalities of emacs? i too am mainly a vim user
[19:58] <[SLB]> i only use emacs for lisp programming
[19:59] <youlysses> [SLB]: Practically all of emacs is documented, because it bassically docements itself. Have you done the starter tutorial on the splash screen?
[19:59] <ekselkiu> I couldn't get the hang of programming with fingernail clippings (parentheses) :)
[19:59] <[SLB]> lol ekselkiu eheh
[19:59] <[SLB]> hm yes youlysses, some time ago
[19:59] <[SLB]> but forgot most of it by now eheh, that should be sufficient?
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[20:00] <youlysses> [SLB]: Also have you checked out video series like "Hack Emacs" and "Emacs Rocks" which are pretty much aimed at new-users. Also the blog "Mastering Emacs" has some good stuff on it. And if you do the digging "emacswiki" has some great info!
[20:01] <[SLB]> oh nice thanks, didn't know about them, will check them out :)
[20:02] <youlysses> [SLB]: There's alot of great resources out there. I was thinking of actually either starting a blog, or an introductory primer too... :-)
[20:02] <[SLB]> that'd be cool :)
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[20:03] <youlysses> I've been thinking about that for-awhile, along with a very introductory primer on the GNU OSF, aimed new "converts".
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[20:15] <Ionic`> oh you guys may know that
[20:16] <Ionic`> is the metallic shell of an USB connector electrically isolated?
[20:16] <Ionic`> I always assumed it was grounded
[20:16] <dwatkins> You should be able to tell by following the tracks on the circuit board, Ionic`
[20:17] <Ionic`> hm? what circuit board?
[20:17] <dwatkins> of the Raspberry Pi
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[20:17] <IT_Sean> Ionic`, it's typically a ground
[20:18] <IT_Sean> dunno about on the Pi though.
[20:18] <Ionic`> I'm talking "always", not rpi specific
[20:18] <t7> that feel when raspberry pi with no SD card :(
[20:18] <Ionic`> IT_Sean: that's what I figured, but obviously there's also a gnd pin
[20:19] <Ionic`> two grounds sounds weird
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[20:19] <buZz> t7: i just went to the store to grab one ;)
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[20:19] <IT_Sean> Ionic`, there is no ALWAYS.
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[20:19] <IT_Sean> It is _supposed_ to be on the ground plane. Nut, not every mfgr follows spec.
[20:21] <Ionic`> hmmm ok
[20:21] <Ionic`> interesting
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[20:25] <Kripton> Ionic`, on my designs, I always connect USB "shield" to GND
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[20:26] <Kripton> However, this document says otherwise now I googled it: http://uk.farnell.com/images/en/ede/pdf/usb_dev_mistake.pdf
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[20:28] <Ionic`> Kripton: which point?
[20:28] <Kripton> near the end where the schematic-pictures are. should be the last point
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[20:31] <Kripton> Ionic`, and here with discussion: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/4515/how-to-connect-usb-connector-shield
[20:31] <Ionic`> oh, indeed
[20:31] <Ionic`> the statement sounds reasonable
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[20:33] <Kripton> yup, need to rethink my future designs now :)
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[20:38] <Mazon> anyone tried openelec and raspmc? I wasn't impressed by the performance of openelec ... lots of stuttering in the UI
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[20:42] <jjsako> I dont mean to spam. If you are running multi PCs including PI. Check out Synergy, allows you to control your PC's with one mouse and keyboard
[20:42] <jjsako> http://youtu.be/3HdAJ1N8e1I
[20:43] <mikma> jjsako: reggieuk did this couple of days ago also
[20:44] <lupinedk> please stop the heavy breathing into your mic ;)
[20:44] <jjsako> LOL
[20:44] <mikma> lupinedk: he can't help it. he's too excited
[20:44] <jjsako> I'd just eaten a large steak :P
[20:45] <lupinedk> hehe
[20:45] <t7> when i press delete i get ^H
[20:45] <t7> what have i done wrong
[20:45] <jjsako> wrong key ? :)
[20:45] <IT_Sean> did you say ^H?
[20:45] <IT_Sean> CRAP! ULPLUG IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!
[20:45] <IT_Sean> NOOOOOW! UNPLUG IT, QUICK!!!!
[20:46] <t7> :|
[20:46] <mikma> oh...
[20:46] <mikma> my...
[20:46] <mikma> god..
[20:46] <t7> haha
[20:46] <mikma> the ^H !!!
[20:46] <IT_Sean> No really. unplug it before you release the magical blue smoke!
[20:46] <t7> is it keyboard settings or something
[20:46] <t7> local?
[20:46] <IT_Sean> :p
[20:46] <sheppard> IT_Sean: cruel
[20:46] <IT_Sean> te he he
[20:46] <jjsako> USe Synergy ;)
[20:47] <lupinedk> had the ^H once
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[20:47] <lupinedk> cat died
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[21:31] <Julesy> hey! I have a problem with my raspberry pi. while it's booting it only shows a rainbow screen. does anybody know a solution?
[21:32] <ekselkiu> Underpowered?
[21:32] <tcial> Rainbow is the 'rainbow of death'
[21:32] <tcial> reinstall linux on your SD card
[21:32] <IT_Sean> aka the RoD
[21:32] <tcial> I had that a while ago
[21:32] <IT_Sean> Rainbow of Death
[21:32] <tcial> Like the BSoD, but more enjoyable :P
[21:33] <tcial> Albeit, less informative.
[21:33] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[21:33] <Julesy> i tried two distributions. arch and rasbian wheezy
[21:33] <Julesy> what is the rainbow of death?
[21:33] <Julesy> wrong power adapter?
[21:33] <tcial> Could be your SD card
[21:33] <tcial> It was a problem with my installation
[21:34] <tcial> Have you fully formatted the SD before putting linux on it?
[21:34] <Julesy> http://www.ebay.de/itm/350237156837?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[21:34] <Julesy> http://www.ebay.de/itm/330726391045?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[21:34] <Julesy> I used win32diskimager
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[21:34] <Orii> hey is there any books out for the raspberry pi?
[21:35] <Julesy> how can I formatt the sd at windows
[21:35] <Julesy> 7
[21:35] <Orii> i mean the wiki is great but it is always good to get more info
[21:35] <tcial> Orii: http://www.amazon.co.uk/raspberry-pi-Books/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=Raspberry%20Pi&rh=n%3A266239%2Ck%3ARaspberry%20Pi&page=1
[21:35] <Ionic`> whoops
[21:35] <Ionic`> what happened to the bot?
[21:35] <tcial> PiBot has gone xD
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[21:35] <tcial> PiBot is online though
[21:36] <Ionic`> indeed
[21:36] <tcial> Who manages piBot?
[21:36] <Ionic`> If I knew
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[21:38] <Julesy> sd or power?
[21:38] <Julesy> whats wrong^^
[21:38] <Julesy> or both
[21:38] <Julesy> or formatting help?^^
[21:39] <tcial> There shouldn't be anything wrong with power
[21:39] <tcial> Are you using a USB port?
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[21:42] <Orii> thanks tcial
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[21:47] <hadifarnoud> hey
[21:47] <hadifarnoud> is there anyway I can update raspbmc on raspberry pi itself? I broke my sd reader :(
[21:48] <sheppard> apt-get update?
[21:48] <hadifarnoud> tried that
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[21:48] <hadifarnoud> didn't update xbmc
[21:50] <hadifarnoud> any more ideas?
[21:50] <ReggieUK> apt-get upgrade?
[21:51] <tcial> sudo apt-get update xbmc
[21:51] <tcial> or apt-get install xbmc
[21:51] <tcial> It will tell you if it's up to date
[21:51] <deebo> how about going to raspbmc.com?
[21:51] <deebo> there are guides on the forums
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[21:52] <hadifarnoud> no luck on raspbmc.com they said how to update with SD reader only not on raspbmc itself :(
[21:52] <deebo> theres a daily build guide on the forums
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[21:53] <MasterGeek> \O
[21:53] <tcial> \O?
[21:54] <MasterGeek> left hand in the air Hi ya
[21:55] <MasterGeek> \O/ two hands in the air excited HIGH YA
[21:56] <tcial> xD
[21:56] <hadifarnoud> deebo: I can't find it in forums. can you point me in the right direction?
[21:56] <MasterGeek> :) < smiley face
[21:56] <tcial> (: < backwards smiley face
[21:56] <tcial> My client doesn't recognise that as a smileyx D
[21:56] <tcial> xD
[21:56] <tcial> Dx
[21:57] <hadifarnoud> nevermind, found it
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[21:57] <MasterGeek> # #
[21:57] <MasterGeek> O
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[22:04] <MasterGeek> pi@raspberrypi:~$
[22:04] <MasterGeek> pi@raspberrypi:~$ sudo minicom /dev/ttyAMA0
[22:04] <MasterGeek> | Initializing Pi-Phone |AT S7=45 S0=0 L1 V1 X4 &c1 E1 Q0
[22:04] <MasterGeek> OK ^^^^ Just like to share that :D
[22:04] <tcial> MasterGeek: What's that?
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[22:04] <MasterGeek> is a Pi-Phone
[22:04] <tcial> pi-phone?
[22:04] <MasterGeek> hang on
[22:04] <tcial> ok
[22:05] <MasterGeek> little project im working on
[22:05] <MasterGeek> http://thepifactory.org/index.php/thedudleypug2
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[22:07] <Gadget-Mac> MasterGeek: Dudley as in DY ?
[22:07] <rabbidrabbit> MasterGeek: Is that going to be a kit?
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[22:07] <MasterGeek> yer,
[22:07] <Gadget-Mac> Just down the road then :)
[22:07] <MasterGeek> just building the software dev kit to go with it
[22:07] <MasterGeek> yer west mids
[22:08] <MasterGeek> dy2
[22:08] <rabbidrabbit> I'm really looking forward to this. So want to make a pi phone.
[22:08] <Gadget-Mac> MasterGeek: wv4 here :)
[22:10] <brougham> that looks funky, is the phone module a standard kit?
[22:11] <MasterGeek> trying to locate a cheaper source for the 3g/gsm/gprs module, the one we using at the moment is like 70? but can monitor cells and has nearly 13,000 at command sets, so is good for educators.
[22:11] <Gadget-Mac> MasterGeek: Which module ?
[22:11] <Gadget-Mac> Lo brougham :)
[22:11] <MasterGeek> the top pic is the dev board from the manufacture the next are just pickit boards, can get for like 9?
[22:12] <brougham> evening :)
[22:12] <MasterGeek> telit
[22:12] <brougham> what was you psu originally used for? looks massily over-spec'ed
[22:13] <MasterGeek> wel i had an old BT Vision box, tv, internet, foo. but its got 5A on 3.3v 5v 7v & 12v
[22:14] <MasterGeek> so good for breadboarding
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[22:14] <Gadget-Mac> MasterGeek: Which model ? (drop in a pm if you prefer)
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[22:16] <MasterGeek> BT Vision integrated digital terrestrial receiver
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[22:16] <MasterGeek> just says BT Vision on t box
[22:17] <brougham> i think he ment gsm module
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[22:17] <Gadget-Mac> I did :)
[22:20] <MasterGeek> srr, 2 screens, Well the modules can be any from the range, most of them have same socket, there is a cheaper version, but only gprs, the one im using is full quad band
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[22:21] <Gadget-Mac> ok.
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[22:26] <MasterGeek> need to add a few op amps, for the audio in/out and a condenser mic and small surface mounted speaker. The module has a full python implementation so can script and store on its own nvram, also has real time clock too
[22:30] <rabbidrabbit> MasterGeek: Is is possible to set the time on the rpi with the phone module?
[22:30] <MasterGeek> haz arm 9 on board too, with 40 extra gpio's camera socket.
[22:30] <MasterGeek> sure,
[22:31] <rabbidrabbit> That module sounds epic.
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[22:31] <MasterGeek> its just a fancy modem ;)
[22:32] <MasterGeek> 1. Hayes standard AT command set, in order to maintain the compatibility with existing sW programs.
[22:32] <MasterGeek> 2. 3GPP TS 27.007 specific AT command and GPRS specific commands.
[22:32] <MasterGeek> 3. 3GPP TS 27.005 specific AT commands for SMS (Short Message Service) and CBS (Cell Broadcast Service)
[22:32] <MasterGeek> 4. FAX Class 1 compatible commands
[22:33] <MasterGeek> can be a ceel if you want too
[22:33] <MasterGeek> cell
[22:33] <Ionic`> ATA
[22:34] <Ionic`> ATH0
[22:34] <rabbidrabbit> cell, I haven't heard of that before.
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[22:35] <Ionic`> Cell broadcast has pretty much died out
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[22:35] <Ionic`> In Germany some providers used it to broadcast the time or local area code
[22:35] <Ionic`> don't know any one still doing it though
[22:36] <MasterGeek> well you can "watch the cell your connected to, traffic in and out, pass through
[22:37] <Ionic`> via CB?
[22:37] <Ionic`> not really
[22:37] <MasterGeek> can ssh into it, ftp, vpn too much to type about
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[22:38] <rabbidrabbit> this still about the module?
[22:38] <MasterGeek> yer
[22:38] <rabbidrabbit> wow
[22:39] <rabbidrabbit> I want one.
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[22:39] <MasterGeek> soon
[22:39] <MasterGeek> :)
[22:39] <rabbidrabbit> yeah. I can wait.
[22:39] <MasterGeek> waiting for the boards to come back
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[22:42] <MasterGeek> if you want one tomorrow, you can buy the dev board from telit, and a module for about 190?
[22:42] <MasterGeek> hoping to get that down to a product for under 100?
[22:42] <MasterGeek> hope
[22:43] <rabbidrabbit> I might get one. I'll probably just wait a bit.
[22:44] <rabbidrabbit> Did you just pick one of the quad band modules?
[22:44] <rabbidrabbit> Will any one do?
[22:45] <MasterGeek> well i went for end of line quad, but most of there modules have the same foot print pinouts, but they got a whole selection to choose from,
[22:46] <rabbidrabbit> right, ok
[22:46] <MasterGeek> just make sure you get the right dev board to match the module you want, the sales peeps are v helpfull
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[22:47] <MasterGeek> but beware, some of the dev kits can run up to ?500
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[22:48] <MasterGeek> also working on a radio control tx rx bridge distance is around 16000m for under 40? for a pair
[22:49] <MasterGeek> yer 16 K
[22:49] <rabbidrabbit> Thats some distance
[22:49] <MasterGeek> :)#
[22:49] <MasterGeek> if the usa can haz a drone then so can I
[22:49] <MasterGeek> :)
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[22:52] <ziltro> So, is omxplayer meant to work by simply passing it the name of a .m2ts file?
[22:52] <fredefl> That would actually be a very cool project
[22:52] <ziltro> Un-encrypted.
[22:52] <fredefl> A flying raspberry drone
[22:53] <fredefl> Awesomeness
[22:53] <fredefl> With batteries and solar power...
[22:53] <MasterGeek> will be cheaper than strapping a mobile phone to one
[22:53] <ziltro> And lazors and rocket launchers?
[22:54] <fredefl> Yeah!
[22:54] <fredefl> And the rockets will be controlled with another pi
[22:55] <brougham> ziltro: i thought m2ts are mpeg2 files which aren't decoded in hardware due to licensing issues
[22:56] <ziltro> brougham: It came from a blu-ray, I thought they were MPEG4...
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[22:57] <ziltro> Ah, avprobe says it is vc1
[22:57] <ziltro> I wonder what that is, I though thtey were MPEG4...
[22:57] <MasterGeek> they haz autobauding close range gets 115k, as the distance increases, baud drops to as low as 4800
[22:57] <brougham> i too thought BR were mpeg 4 but wikipedia says otherwise
[22:58] <ziltro> I want a cell. Then other peoples can register to it and I can listen in to their calls.
[22:58] <ziltro> Step 3: Profit!
[22:58] <ziltro> brougham: Okay, thanks. I hadn't thought to actually check!
[22:59] <brougham> google sucks now that it wraps the urls, and also https searches aren't stored in history
[22:59] <brougham> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.m2ts
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[23:00] <mikma> oh, [skg] put up a new version of omxplayer
[23:01] <Gadget-Mac> MasterGeek: 16km would be impressive
[23:03] <rabbidrabbit> MasterGeek: How long is the Antenna
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[23:05] <MasterGeek> personaly i think the hype in the sales foo might be a little ott @ 16k, Have tested them around the park, 1-2k seem to work ok, ,,, the ant, is surface mounted tiny thing about 1 cm long
[23:06] <Gadget-Mac> telit again ?
[23:06] <MasterGeek> no
[23:07] <rabbidrabbit> only 1cm long
[23:07] <MasterGeek> a friend designed them for rc helicopter , just changed the softs
[23:07] <MasterGeek> about 1.3
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[23:08] <rabbidrabbit> 1-2k is still impressive
[23:08] <Gadget-Mac> Interested to hear more about them
[23:08] <MasterGeek> ill take pic an up loadthe pair
[23:08] <MasterGeek> brb
[23:08] <Gadget-Mac> Cool.
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[23:09] <graham1> where can i buy one in uk?
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[23:14] <dirty_d> ouch, that archlinux /lib to /lib -> /usr/lib update did not go smooth
[23:14] <MasterGeek> srr i got it wrong, 1600m not k
[23:14] <dirty_d> spent many hours fixing my PC
[23:15] <rabbidrabbit> dirty_d: that update finally happen on archlinuxarm
[23:15] <dirty_d> its my own fault though
[23:15] <dirty_d> i used the --force flag
[23:15] <Gadget-Mac> MasterGeek: ok. Shame 16k would have sold a few
[23:15] <dirty_d> it overwrote like every confg file ive ever touched
[23:15] <rabbidrabbit> You forced it. Wow.
[23:15] <MasterGeek> well is eay to add a pa
[23:15] <dirty_d> yea
[23:15] <MasterGeek> easy
[23:15] <rabbidrabbit> Not good for an update like that.
[23:16] <rabbidrabbit> Did you read the news?
[23:16] <dirty_d> yea, the recommended commands didnt work because it complained that /lib already existed in the filesystem
[23:16] <dirty_d> so i added f, lol
[23:17] <rabbidrabbit> oh I had that problem, but deleting the modules folder fixed it. All of the solutions were in the arch wiki.
[23:17] <dirty_d> the worst part was that the pacman db and everything got overwritten somehow
[23:17] <rabbidrabbit> oh. How did you fix that?
[23:17] <dirty_d> so i have all this stuff installed, and pacman doesnt know about it
[23:18] <dirty_d> i just resintalled everything i could think of
[23:18] <dirty_d> there are probably a few more packages
[23:18] <dirty_d> but ill run into them eventually
[23:18] <rabbidrabbit> Wasn't the smoothest update then.
[23:18] <dirty_d> nope
[23:18] <dirty_d> i dmit, i had been drinking
[23:18] <dirty_d> lol
[23:18] <NucWin> you might aswell have reformatted and started again
[23:18] <NucWin> lo
[23:19] <dirty_d> youre right, i should have
[23:19] <dirty_d> all i really needed was /home
[23:19] <dirty_d> all of the config files wouldnt have taken this long to redo
[23:19] <MasterGeek> http://thepifactory.org/images/piphone/2012-07-28%2022.07.51.jpg
[23:19] <dirty_d> this is an efi system so that made it even worse
[23:20] <NucWin> i quick scripted the building of all the packages for while im on holiday
[23:20] <NucWin> getting quite a few fails because of deps but its making good progress
[23:21] <rabbidrabbit> What are you building for?
[23:21] <NucWin> armv6j
[23:21] <dirty_d> that stuff sure is a pain
[23:21] <dirty_d> i never imagined it was that bad
[23:22] <Gadget-Mac> MasterGeek: Nice.
[23:22] <NucWin> i did try extracting the packages i have done already to my sd card but it doesnt boot properly and dont have a usb keyboard here to find out why
[23:22] <rabbidrabbit> dirty_d: I heard bad things about the update in the forums
[23:22] <fredefl> What class are your SD's?
[23:23] <NucWin> i have a 4 and a 10
[23:23] <dirty_d> NucWin, you built the kernel hardpf too?
[23:23] <NucWin> i tried with gentoo hf kernel as the arch kernel package had issues building
[23:23] <fredefl> NucWin: Are there any noticeable speed differences?
[23:23] <NucWin> not sure if the hf matters
[23:24] <NucWin> the 10 does feel faster but no numbers
[23:24] <MasterGeek> There are 5 of us in the Dudley PUG, all actively building projects for educational use.
[23:24] <dirty_d> NucWin, i dont think it does, im pretty sure ive ran hardpf programs with the regualr arch kernel running
[23:24] <fredefl> Thanks! :-D
[23:24] <dirty_d> i cant remember how i did it
[23:24] <NucWin> only use the 4GB as /boot atm have / on usb -> sata (laptop drive)
[23:25] <NucWin> i need to have another try with the packages now ive figgured how to get packman working
[23:25] <NucWin> but dont have keyboard for much bug fixing
[23:25] <dirty_d> i think i alraedy had the hardfp glibc compiled and linked against that
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[23:25] <Gadget-Mac> Great stuff MasterGeek
[23:26] <MasterGeek> so your close ?
[23:26] <MasterGeek> uk ?
[23:26] <Gadget-Mac> Wolves
[23:26] <MasterGeek> you have a user group ?
[23:26] <Gadget-Mac> Not that I'm aware of. But not actively looked tbh.
[23:27] <dirty_d> ive had enough comnputers for today
[23:28] <MasterGeek> well, if you do happen yo find one/make one, ThePiFactory.org, is offering free hosting and project space, for Pi User Groups. PUG's
[23:28] <dirty_d> lol
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[23:28] <MasterGeek> yer i said that 20 years ago, still banging the keys
[23:28] <MasterGeek> :)
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[23:32] <Gadget-Mac> MasterGeek: Do you know what chipset those modules are ?
[23:32] <Gadget-Mac> (the RF ones)
[23:32] <MasterGeek> as in ?
[23:32] <MasterGeek> hang on i look at the docs
[23:33] <Gadget-Mac> eg TI's CC1110
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[23:34] <dwatkins> wow, that's awesome, my Raspberry Pi can be powered from my TV :D (a Sony Bravia flatpanel)
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[23:35] <monthos> dwatkins: is it stable under load? for example when running quake3 or xbmc? I found issues when I did that whenever I tried to run a gpu intensive app
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[23:35] <dwatkins> monthos: I've not got that far, I shall run some tests and let you know.
[23:36] <dwatkins> I just couldn't believe it even booted ;)
[23:36] <dwatkins> I don't suppose there's any way to tell how much power it's drawing from the OS...
[23:36] <monthos> yeah, I loved it because my pi auto booted every time I turned my tv on. it was fantastic
[23:36] <monthos> not that I am aware of.
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[23:39] <dwatkins> ah yes, it has no internal clock, so that needs sorting out each time I reapply power
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[23:44] <MasterGeek> Gadget-Mac, srr, no reference in the man
[23:44] <Gadget-Mac> ok, np
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[23:46] <MasterGeek> you might find the info here >>> http://www.roundsolutions.com/techdocs/gsm_modules/GM862-QUAD_PY_Hardware_User_Guide_r5.pdf
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[23:57] <jjsako> guys I know has been playing with this but....If you have multi PI's and OR PC's...check out Synergy - open source
[23:58] <jjsako> allows your to play with multi PI's PC's with a single keyboard and mouse.
[23:58] <jjsako> http://youtu.be/3HdAJ1N8e1I

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