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IRC Log for 2012-07-29

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[0:00] <Syliss> yeah old school style
[0:00] <jjsako> whats new school?
[0:01] <Syliss> no idea
[0:01] * tcial is now known as FlyingSaucery
[0:01] <MasterGeek> kvm?
[0:02] * FlyingSaucery is now known as BadFilename
[0:02] <jjsako> 3 different OS. 2 different hardware and all just works :)
[0:02] * BadFilename is now known as tcisal
[0:02] <jjsako> yes just through IP
[0:02] * tcisal is now known as tcial
[0:02] <jjsako> awesome stuff
[0:06] * maicod (~mailadd@d55059.upc-d.chello.nl) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:06] <maicod> hi all
[0:07] <maicod> ionic u around?
[0:07] <tcial> Try highlighting him
[0:07] <maicod> how do I do that?
[0:07] <tcial> Just type Io and then hit tab
[0:08] <maicod> OK
[0:08] <maicod> Ionic`
[0:08] <maicod> now I get his other nick :)
[0:08] <tcial> If you enter his full name, his client will recognise it, and usually make a noise
[0:08] <maicod> ah cool
[0:08] <Ionic`> maicod: nope
[0:08] <maicod> hi ionic
[0:08] <Ionic`> not around
[0:08] <maicod> oh :)
[0:09] * Syliss (~Syliss@adsl-99-23-241-61.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Syliss)
[0:09] <maicod> can u answer one question?
[0:09] <Ionic`> shoot
[0:09] <maicod> I see some powered usb hubs can power the Pi itsself . does the UHN-710 do that too?
[0:10] <Ionic`> not sure
[0:10] <maicod> oh
[0:10] <Ionic`> generally it should be able to
[0:10] <maicod> I'd better get one that says it can for sure ?
[0:10] <maicod> on the verified pheripherals page
[0:10] <Ionic`> prolly
[0:11] <maicod> hehehe
[0:11] <Ionic`> also it's a matter of power
[0:11] <Ionic`> 3A -> 1A "reserved" for raspi => 2A left for USB stuff
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[0:11] <home> Expected Ship Date 13 Aug 2012
[0:11] <home> how far is august the 13th ?
[0:11] <maicod> yeah but I wouldnt use all 7 ports probably
[0:11] <home> from today
[0:11] <MasterGeek> Gadget-Mac, I just looked @ the chips with magnifying glass , there is an infineon, gps, an arm 11 some nvram, tiny flash
[0:11] <maicod> 15 days ?
[0:12] <home> is that a good shipment date? or did I fuck up somewhere
[0:12] <maicod> ionic: thanks. sorry for disturbing ya :)
[0:12] <Gadget-Mac> MasterGeek: Was thinking of the RF link stuff rather than telit :)
[0:12] <Ionic`> you didn't disturb
[0:13] <home> I dont think I can wait 15 days
[0:13] <maicod> good
[0:13] <home> for my rpi
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[0:13] <home> should I find some heat sinks for it while I am waiting?
[0:13] <home> I plan on overclocking it
[0:14] <MasterGeek> renesas, epcos, ? the rest is so small i cant read em evenwith a mag
[0:14] <maicod> home: I had to wait like 6 months :)
[0:15] <mikma> jjsako: what's up with you announcing the synergy every 3 hours?
[0:15] <Ionic`> thou shalt not overclock
[0:15] * Jaska_ (~quassel@dsl-olubrasgw1-fe49fb00-218.dhcp.inet.fi) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[0:15] <maicod> is raspbian using gnome ?
[0:15] <maicod> wheezy one
[0:15] <home> maicod: lol
[0:15] * fatpudding (~fatpuddin@178.74.57.151) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[0:16] <maicod> general question to anyone :)
[0:16] <home> now I just need to know, how I am going to get Wifi with my RPI
[0:16] <Ionic`> home: USB stick
[0:16] <maicod> I tried finding network manager when X got loaded but it wasnt there and when I installed it with apt-get I still didnt see an icon in the systray
[0:16] <mikma> home: http://mikma.eu/rpi/wlan.txt <- that's how i did it with zyxel usb wlan
[0:16] <Ionic`> you didn't see the wired cable symbol?
[0:16] <maicod> indeed !!!
[0:17] <maicod> it wasnt there
[0:17] <maicod> :(
[0:17] <Ionic`> hm
[0:17] <home> Ionic`: what if I wanted to use a WRT54G router, instead of a usb stick?
[0:17] <Ionic`> well if I knew
[0:17] <maicod> ionic: I'll recheck to see WHAT it shows
[0:17] <Ionic`> home: again, define what you need
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[0:17] <Ionic`> home: connecting it to the router via LAN is no problem
[0:18] <home> I have two routers
[0:18] <Ionic`> however, you probably can't use your WRT54G to play a WiFi client
[0:18] <home> one router is old and is not in use.
[0:18] <Carly-> Hi everybody :)
[0:18] <Ionic`> unless it's using Linux and has client mode support (and you're able to put wpa_supplicant on it)
[0:18] <home> Ionic`: its running linux
[0:19] <Ionic`> but if you configure the netgear router as an AP, hell, that'll work great
[0:19] <MasterGeek> hi Carly-
[0:19] <Carly-> MasterGeek: Hi :)
[0:19] <home> urgh, yeah
[0:19] <home> I already have on AP up
[0:19] <maicod> ionic: yesterday I installed a couple of packets starting with network-manager but still there was not icon but now there is ! I think the Pi needed a reload of X
[0:19] <home> with WPA
[0:19] * lempiainen (~lempiaine@a88-115-118-200.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[0:19] <home> I am just worried I will have to resort to WEP
[0:19] <Ionic`> maicod: prolly yeah
[0:19] <Ionic`> why would you have to resort to WEP?
[0:19] <maicod> so it wasnt installed in wheezy
[0:19] <home> meh
[0:20] <home> let me check why
[0:20] <Ionic`> for peer to peer networking?
[0:20] <Ionic`> ad-hoc mode?
[0:22] <home> I think I got it covered.. 0_0
[0:23] <home> nvm, now XD
[0:23] <home> gotta think of how I am going to build this now..
[0:23] <home> anyone building quadcopters or robots with rpi?
[0:24] * Carly- (~Wikipedia@unaffiliated/carliitaeliza) has left #raspberrypi
[0:24] <Ionic`> not me...
[0:25] <home> hmmm
[0:26] <maicod> home: better use a microcontroller like the Arduino
[0:26] * maicod got Arduino 2560 :)
[0:26] <home> maicod: I got that
[0:27] <home> maicod: and I probably could...
[0:27] <maicod> but I can't help ya HOW to do it :)
[0:27] <home> meh, I want an actual computer of sort on the thing
[0:27] <maicod> you need gyroscope IC for it
[0:27] <home> I wonder what kind of processing I could do with the PI
[0:27] <maicod> ok
[0:27] <home> I had gyroscope/accel IC a while ago
[0:27] <home> but going to get some soon
[0:28] <maicod> cool :)
[0:28] <maicod> brb
[0:28] <home> and my ultrasonic sensor..or laser tracking to detect altitude. ( screw altimeters)
[0:28] <home> laser tracking with the RPI..hmm
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[0:30] <maicod> needs alot of compute power
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[0:30] <ksx4system> has Raspbian sshd and DHCP over ethernet enabled by default?
[0:31] * Weaselweb (~quassel@2001:6f8:9e4:123:21a:92ff:fe5a:1409) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:31] <maicod> ionic: u got time to try boot the pi with only the hub as a power source ?
[0:31] <Ionic`> hm?
[0:31] <Ionic`> ...
[0:31] <Ionic`> one sec
[0:31] <maicod> OK :)
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[0:33] * maicod_olypics_s is now known as maicod
[0:33] <maicod> whatever :)
[0:33] <home> I wonder
[0:34] <maicod> I wanted to say after just one day I already got enough of the olympics :)
[0:34] * Meatballs is now known as Meatballs|Away
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[0:36] <home> anyway
[0:36] <home> RPI+Kinec
[0:36] <home> RPI+Kinect
[0:36] <Ionic`> started up
[0:36] <Ionic`> I'll measure voltages
[0:36] <maicod> cool !
[0:37] <maicod> OK thanks !
[0:37] <maicod> tp1 and tp2 huh LOL
[0:37] <Ionic`> shutting down and back up
[0:37] <maicod> like we did before ;)
[0:37] <maicod> ok and X loads fine?
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[0:38] <maicod> its cool if I can ommit normal power source :)
[0:38] <home> guys
[0:38] <home> how much power does the rpi need again?
[0:38] <sheppard> 1A@5V ideally
[0:38] <maicod> I think 1A rated
[0:38] <maicod> hehe we said the same
[0:39] <maicod> the psu I got from RS (it was selected by them as suitable for the Pi) is 1A
[0:39] <sheppard> maicod: I did the same thing, and it had a totally wrong connector
[0:39] <maicod> oops stupid !
[0:40] <sheppard> very
[0:40] <maicod> sheppard: you mean a mini usb ?
[0:40] <sheppard> no
[0:40] <maicod> the bigger bro
[0:40] <sheppard> it's some circular connector
[0:40] <maicod> oh such ones
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[0:40] <Xark> Pretty sure that includes some USB peripherals. By the official book, it needs 700mA IIRC (which includes some small USB devices I think).
[0:40] <maicod> I know those
[0:40] <maicod> sheppard: they mustve order-collected the wrong item in the warehouse
[0:40] <maicod> packing mistake
[0:41] <sheppard> maicod: yeah, seems after I ordered two of them, they took them off as being reccomended hardware, lol
[0:41] <maicod> hehehe LOL
[0:41] <maicod> you got the right one ?
[0:41] <Ionic`> 5.15V when turned off, 4.86-4.95 when booting, switching between 4.84 and 4.90 when idle
[0:41] <maicod> I mean did they exchange it ?
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[0:41] <sheppard> maicod: by the time I got my pi (4 months later) it was too late
[0:41] <maicod> sounds fine ionic !!!
[0:41] <home> i wonder, how long it would last on batteries
[0:42] <maicod> sheppard: they still would need fix the mistake !
[0:42] <maicod> its theirs not yours
[0:42] <Ionic`> yeah
[0:42] <maicod> ionic: cool huh :)
[0:42] <maicod> thanks alot for testing
[0:42] <Ionic`> I'll still use the external wall socket power plug
[0:42] <maicod> to be sure ?
[0:43] <Ionic`> that and to not consume USB power for the device when other USB devices can use the power better
[0:43] <maicod> oh yeah
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[0:44] <maicod> ionic: well you said it was 3A huh so you would need to use all ports to have troubles with to less juice
[0:44] <maicod> too
[0:44] <Ionic`> hehe it has 7 ports
[0:44] <Ionic`> 7 * 0.5A is already 3.5A
[0:44] <maicod> if say you use external hdd/wifi and keyboard and mouse it would have enough juice left for the Pi
[0:44] <maicod> sure is
[0:45] <maicod> but not all devices need 500 Ma
[0:45] <maicod> mA
[0:45] <Ionic`> lol
[0:45] <maicod> :)
[0:45] <Ionic`> external HDDs typically need 1A
[0:45] <Ionic`> go figure
[0:45] <maicod> oh do they ?
[0:45] <maicod> didnt know
[0:45] <Ionic`> the wifi stick could drain 700mA
[0:45] <maicod> why do they work on my pc then?
[0:45] <Xark> home: I got about 4.5 hours (with 100% CPU load testing) with this -> http://compare.ebay.com/like/320921855883?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&_lwgsi=y&cbt=y
[0:45] <Ionic`> (even if that's outside of specs but yeah...)
[0:45] <maicod> pc gives 500 max per port doesnt it ?
[0:45] <Ionic`> maicod: well they do, but you have to connect 2 USB plugs, right?
[0:46] <Ionic`> most external (small, 2.5") hdds come with 2 USB plugs to draw 2x0.5A
[0:46] <maicod> ionic: well my toaster (3.5 inch hdds) uses its own supply and my 2.5 drive works fine with one USB wire
[0:46] <home> Xark: that is nice!!!
[0:46] <Ionic`> maicod: that's something else
[0:46] <home> Xark: makes me revealuate my project.hmm
[0:47] <Ionic`> if the HDD is supply-powered it won't need that much USB power, true
[0:47] <maicod> ionic: the toaster is a docking station as you might have guessed :)
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[0:47] <Xark> Ionic`: I have used those to power the RPi and it works well - except when you plug other USB devices in (seems to reboot Pi much of the time - perhaps small power short or something).
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[0:47] <Ionic`> Xark: "those"? what those?
[0:47] <maicod> ionic: the 2.5 inch works fine without external supply and one usb wire but theres probably problem drives around that need more
[0:47] <Xark> Ionic`: Two prong USB cables (for > 500ma).
[0:47] <Ionic`> Xark: ah, replugging my be an issue, but I can't currently test that
[0:48] <Ionic`> ah
[0:48] <Ionic`> Xark: from your PC?
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[0:48] <Xark> Ionic`: From a powered hub.
[0:48] <Ionic`> hm
[0:48] <Ionic`> oh right
[0:48] <maicod> ionic: indeed that could be a problem (power drop for short while)
[0:48] <Ionic`> if I power the raspi with via the hub it may get only 0.5A
[0:48] <maicod> devices who are inserted that need a power spike :)
[0:48] <Ionic`> not too nice
[0:49] <Xark> Ionic`: The hub power supply is 3A, so it is not lack of juice. I have now switched to a separate 850ma usb supply for RPi and it doesn't reboot,
[0:49] <maicod> Ionic: well so far it seems to run on the hub you got and i'll see myself if I dare to use that option or that I use my normal Pi power source along with ut
[0:49] <maicod> it
[0:49] <Xark> Ionic`: Well, with the two prong cable any two USB ports *should* give you 500ma x 2 (which should be enough for RPi).
[0:50] <Ionic`> maicod: better don't, the concers are correct
[0:50] <Ionic`> Xark: in theory, yes
[0:50] <maicod> concers ?
[0:50] <Ionic`> currently I only use 1 USB port
[0:50] <Ionic`> which should give me at most 500mA
[0:50] <Ionic`> and is not enough power in the worst case
[0:50] <Xark> Ionic`: As I mention, it wasn't the amount of power, but the issues hotplugging that made me come up with another plan. >)
[0:50] <Ionic`> But I don't have a micro-USB to 2xUSB-A cable
[0:50] <Ionic`> Xark: in your case, yeah
[0:51] <maicod> hehe well thanks for all the insights xark/ionic
[0:51] <Xark> Ionic`: There was thread on the forum about this too (so not just me),
[0:51] <Ionic`> really I wouldn't use a hub for powering the rpi too
[0:51] <Ionic`> unless it's a dedicated hub
[0:51] <Ionic`> but then again why would you
[0:52] <Ionic`> wall socket adapter is cheaper
[0:52] <maicod> less vables ?
[0:52] <Xark> Ionic`: Well, mine is dedicated to the RPi (only the hub in the RPi).
[0:52] <maicod> cables
[0:52] <maicod> less wall sockets :)
[0:52] <Ionic`> no, I mean a dedicated hub for powering the rpi only and then another dedicated one for USB devices only
[0:52] <home> what
[0:52] <Ionic`> overkill_solution++
[0:52] <home> Explain to me
[0:52] <maicod> indeed
[0:52] <maicod> thats not logic :)
[0:53] <Xark> Ionic`: I did not have much luck plugging things directly into the RPi (polyfuse issues perhaps).
[0:53] <home> give me diagram
[0:53] <Ionic`> lol
[0:53] <maicod> can someone point me at the polyfuse location?
[0:53] <home> oh, he is not powering his RPI using usb?
[0:53] <Ionic`> [PWR] RPI [USB1]
[0:53] <Ionic`> argh
[0:53] <blkhawk> ya i removed the usb polyfuses on mine
[0:54] <blkhawk> heped a lot with solving my wlan stick issues
[0:54] <blkhawk> helped*
[0:54] <maicod> polyfuse are those wide/long items on the board ?
[0:54] <blkhawk> ah
[0:55] <Xark> I planned on getting a hub anyways, 2 ports is not enough. Totally stable power-wise with nice powered hub and separate 850ma power supply (for only pi - no USB devices other than hub).
[0:55] <blkhawk> they are the green things
[0:55] <maicod> yeah with yellow line in it ?
[0:55] <blkhawk> there are two beside the usb ports
[0:55] <maicod> oh
[0:55] <maicod> lemme get my Pi
[0:55] <Ionic`> [PWR] RPI [USB0]--[USBHUB0]--[USB_DEVICE0]
[0:55] <Ionic`> ^--------[USB_DEVICE1]
[0:55] <Ionic`> ^--------[USB_DEVICEn]
[0:56] <Ionic`> [USB1]--[USBHUB1]--[NO_DEVICES]
[0:56] <Ionic`> ^----------------------^
[0:56] <Maior> blkhawk: X14?
[0:56] <Ionic`> but that's braindead, money-wise
[0:56] <maicod> oh square green things
[0:56] <blkhawk> ya
[0:56] <maicod> hehe I see them
[0:56] <blkhawk> don't bother with the one that has 07 printed on it
[0:57] <maicod> they contain a material that liquidifies and solidifies ?
[0:57] <blkhawk> no idea - i removed them and bridged the contacts
[0:57] <maicod> oh
[0:57] <maicod> I thought polyfuse work like that
[0:57] <blkhawk> they might
[0:57] <maicod> when they get too much current they 'melt' inside
[0:57] <maicod> and then after cooling down solidify
[0:58] <maicod> and restore the connection
[0:58] <maicod> C1 is a capacitor?
[0:58] <maicod> the large item
[0:59] <blkhawk> probably :P
[0:59] <maicod> it looks like a termination resistor too :)
[0:59] <maicod> like the old ethernet days
[0:59] <maicod> to terminate 10baseT
[0:59] <maicod> maybe its a resistor instead :)
[1:02] <maicod> how much is tax in UK ?
[1:02] <maicod> VAT
[1:02] <sheppard> 22%?
[1:03] <maicod> we go from 19 to 21 in september :(
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[1:04] <unreal-dude> o.O
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[1:06] <maicod> sheppard: I calculated backwards and it was 20 %
[1:06] <ziltro> Pay cash?
[1:06] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[1:06] <IT_Sean> Ahoy
[1:06] <ziltro> Oh, yes, 20% VAT on most things.
[1:06] <maicod> OK :)
[1:06] <ziltro> 5% on some things, 0% on some, none on others.
[1:06] <[SkG]> (01:01:02) (maicod) we go from 19 to 21 in september :( <-- spain 18 to 21 in september
[1:06] <maicod> but why do foreigners have to pay UK VAT too ?
[1:06] <ziltro> And yes, there is a difference between 0% and tax free.
[1:06] <maicod> SKG: :(
[1:06] <sheppard> maicod: you can get it back
[1:06] <ziltro> Which increases beaurocratical waste for no gain.
[1:06] <maicod> oh how ?
[1:07] <ziltro> I think VAT is charged for anywhere in the EU?
[1:07] <maicod> its only like 5 euros :)
[1:07] <ziltro> We should set up a distribution system using only cash or bitcoins. :)
[1:07] <maicod> oh its not deducted between UK and NL then :(
[1:07] <ziltro> ???5 you have and the evil state doesn't.
[1:07] <ziltro> Apparently not ano more.
[1:08] <maicod> ziltro: I need to fill in some form in the UK to get it back or in my own country?
[1:08] * Xark is pretty sure he didn't have to pay VAT ordering from the US. :)
[1:08] <ziltro> maicod: I don't know it in that detail, I think you can only if you are a company.
[1:08] <maicod> oh well
[1:08] <ziltro> No, USA is outside the EU.
[1:08] <maicod> its not worth it
[1:09] <ziltro> Come to the UK and steal ???5 worth of health and safety signage from the state?
[1:09] <maicod> I paid 39.50 euros for my PI @ RS and 42 euros @ farnell
[1:09] <maicod> I got 2 Pi's
[1:09] <maicod> that is WITH VAT and postage
[1:09] <ziltro> And VAT on postage.
[1:09] <maicod> yea LOL
[1:09] <maicod> idiots :)
[1:09] <ziltro> Postage inclodes UK fuel tax.
[1:10] <maicod> and they used Royal Fail :)
[1:10] <ziltro> Probably, anyway.
[1:10] <maicod> ziltro: items from Royal Mail take more than a week to get to NL :(
[1:10] <ziltro> maicod: There's some water in the way! They have to swim!
[1:10] <maicod> as if we're like far away
[1:10] <maicod> hahah
[1:11] <maicod> a tiny bit of water that is :)
[1:11] <ziltro> Actually they use aeroplanes within the UK to move the post around.
[1:11] <maicod> they use trains here I think
[1:11] <maicod> smaller country huh
[1:12] <ziltro> I think we use trains for storing chavs on.
[1:12] <maicod> with letters theres something called 2nd and 1st class. is there with packets too ?
[1:12] <ziltro> Ooh I'm not sure.
[1:12] <maicod> I mean Royal Mail
[1:12] <ziltro> If there is then UK > EU is probably a seperate class.
[1:12] <maicod> oh would be cool to know
[1:12] <maicod> oh
[1:13] <maicod> if u fly to UK from NL you arrive earlier than departed :)
[1:13] <maicod> <1 hour time diff :)
[1:13] <unreal-dude> i prefer to call it an alpha form of time travel :)
[1:13] <maicod> LOL yea
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[1:14] <unreal-dude> just a few bugs :)
[1:14] <ziltro> hmm there's a lot of options. http://www.royalmail.com/
[1:14] <maicod> but those customs guys make u eat time
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[1:14] <ziltro> Customs? Within EU?
[1:14] <dwatkins> hexcellent, irssi-ing from my Pi :)
[1:14] <maicod> well I mean security
[1:14] <maicod> and time to board
[1:14] <ziltro> Oh, fear-mongers?
[1:14] <maicod> time to be present before boarding etc
[1:15] <ziltro> Mmm, they should sort that out.
[1:15] <maicod> LOL
[1:15] <maicod> yeah indeed
[1:15] <[SkG]> (+ziltro) Customs? Within EU? <-- yeah, I had to release few packages coming from UK on customs at Spain
[1:15] <maicod> make a flight like a train ride. hop on and off
[1:15] <[SLB]> farnell sent to me via royal mail and rs thru dhl. rs one was more expensive indeed
[1:15] <[SLB]> and i also got the t-shirt from farnell lol
[1:15] <maicod> SLB: I think my RS was from RM and it was the cheapest of the 2
[1:16] <maicod> LOL me too
[1:16] <maicod> I'm wearing it now :)
[1:16] <ziltro> Normally there's red lane "I have stuff to declare", green lane "I'm going to chance it" and blue lane "I came from another EU country".
[1:16] <[SLB]> eheh :3
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[1:16] <maicod> LOL ziltro
[1:17] <[SkG]> yep ziltro at airports
[1:17] <maicod> lemme check SLB
[1:17] <ziltro> And sea-ports.
[1:17] <unreal-dude> wheres the "i think i can skip this" lane?
[1:17] <[SkG]> in spain only have the red and the green (here also says "EU members")
[1:17] <ziltro> That's blue.
[1:17] <maicod> SLB: you were right it was DHL
[1:17] <maicod> but it was the least expensive of the two
[1:17] <ziltro> I'm sure I've seen seperate green and blue.
[1:18] <[SkG]> yes I've seen that at london or berlin
[1:18] <maicod> ziltro: what if ur colourblind :)
[1:18] <[SkG]> not sure there
[1:18] <dwatkins2> they have shapes and text, iirc
[1:18] <[SLB]> oh not sure why then, i'm in italy btw
[1:18] <[SkG]> s/there/where/
[1:18] <maicod> dwatkins2: I waz kiddin'
[1:18] <dwatkins2> maicod: :)
[1:19] * maicod got size xxl :)
[1:19] <maicod> tshirt
[1:19] <ziltro> "I'm brown/white colourblind - I thought it was a bag of ground coffee. Honest."
[1:19] <maicod> btw the fabric is really cheap
[1:19] <IT_Sean> O_o
[1:19] <maicod> it will shrink alot in the washing I'm affraid
[1:20] <[SkG]> I'm scared... I've just seen an ad at Youtube saying "You wanna a kissable ass"... fuck.
[1:20] <maicod> and probably loose the paint
[1:20] <ziltro> Sounds like an appealing donkey?
[1:20] <[SLB]> i washed it already, got litres of black water out of it, lol
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[1:20] <maicod> hahaha LOL
[1:20] <ziltro> Mmm, black water.
[1:20] <maicod> slb: it feels a little ehm rough too huh
[1:20] <maicod> the fabric
[1:20] <maicod> its cheap cotton
[1:21] <maicod> and I hate it doesnt say 'Raspberry Pi' on it :)
[1:21] <maicod> but a give horse.......
[1:21] <maicod> but a given horse.......
[1:21] <[SLB]> yes but i was actually expecting worse, doesn't look too bad after all eheh
[1:21] <[SLB]> yea
[1:21] <maicod> SLB: noone who sees the shirt recognizes it here :)
[1:21] <maicod> its just an advert for farnell :)
[1:22] <[SLB]> it has the raspi logo at least eheh
[1:22] <maicod> yeah but no text :(
[1:22] <[SLB]> yups :\
[1:22] <[SLB]> oh well, a gift it was :3
[1:23] <ziltro> Are there any official T-shirts?
[1:23] <maicod> yeah does cambridge sell them ? :)
[1:25] <maicod> the Pi Foundation :)
[1:25] <[SLB]> https://plus.google.com/photos/109139109807490312992/albums/posts/5766415354189598066
[1:25] <maicod> LOL
[1:25] <[SLB]> eheh
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[1:27] <maicod> my 2 Pi's : http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3530.jpg
[1:27] <[SLB]> twins :3
[1:27] <maicod> the CE logo is on the back of the other :)
[1:27] <maicod> yeah they are ;)
[1:28] <maicod> my RS one has Hynix memory and the Farnell one has Samsung
[1:28] <ziltro> Wow, that CE logo is dodgy
[1:28] <maicod> is it ?
[1:29] <[SLB]> hm let me check mines
[1:29] <ziltro> Well it isn't to the correct design.
[1:29] <maicod> oh :)
[1:29] <ziltro> Not that that means there's a problem, probably just put the wrong thing on there or didn't realise there was a design.
[1:29] <ziltro> The E should be curvey bit like a ???
[1:29] <maicod> so did RS and Farnell issue their own board designs then?
[1:29] <ziltro> And no serifs.
[1:29] <maicod> to the plant
[1:30] <maicod> maybe 2 different plants
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[1:30] <ziltro> The rest looks similar
[1:30] <DrLuke> Hello, what is "net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_ECN.o" used for and is it important?
[1:30] <DrLuke> it gives me errors on compiling
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[1:31] <[SLB]> oh just noticed the different brand of the memory
[1:31] <maicod> yeah only the composite plug isnt soldered 90 degrees on the farnell one
[1:32] <maicod> http://s1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/?action=view&current=IMG_3532.jpg
[1:32] <[SLB]> but both have the ce logo underneath
[1:33] <maicod> http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3536.jpg
[1:33] <maicod> the closeups of the SOC
[1:33] <DrLuke> why is it in russian
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[1:33] <maicod> LOL
[1:34] <IT_Sean> O_o
[1:34] <maicod> its tiny winey
[1:35] <IT_Sean> itty bitty?
[1:35] <IT_Sean> teeney weeney?
[1:35] <ziltro> I want a huuuggee one
[1:35] <IT_Sean> itsy bitsy?
[1:35] <ziltro> Made with relays instead of transistors
[1:35] <maicod> :)
[1:35] <maicod> you'd need a whole sea container then :)
[1:35] <DrLuke> so its contacts can burn out in a few minutes?
[1:35] <ziltro> Okay valves then
[1:36] <DrLuke> why no, there's already microtechnology allowing super tiny relays
[1:36] <DrLuke> it's just super expensive
[1:36] <ziltro> With mini coils?
[1:36] <DrLuke> probably capacitor
[1:36] <DrLuke> s
[1:36] <maicod> there's also relays that don't have mechanical movement
[1:36] * IT_Sean insists his Pi be vaccuum tube based
[1:36] <DrLuke> they're not real relays
[1:36] <maicod> oh
[1:36] <ziltro> Yeah I looked at one of them. It smelt like a Triac + Opto Triac combination.
[1:36] <DrLuke> yep
[1:37] <DrLuke> that's what it is
[1:37] <ziltro> Very good at switching on DC.
[1:37] <ziltro> Not so good at switching it off.
[1:37] <DrLuke> except it's in a neat package for easy high power use
[1:37] <DrLuke> haha
[1:37] <DrLuke> well, they're good for turning something on forever
[1:38] <ziltro> Ooh, talking of valves, that reminds me, I should look for a RepRap around here...
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[1:38] <ziltro> Arg how do people use web sites without an advert blocker?!
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[1:39] <DrLuke> ziltro: with adverts duh
[1:39] <SSilver2k2> lowest resolution raspberry pi picture ever?? http://blog.sheasilverman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/gbprinter-raspberrypi.png
[1:40] <SSilver2k2> took that yesterday at work
[1:40] <DrLuke> why is it so blurry
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[1:40] <DrLuke> please learn how to take non-blurry pictures and crop the
[1:40] <IT_Sean> gahr! FOOOOCCCUS!
[1:40] <IT_Sean> FOOOOOOOOOOOCCCUS!
[1:40] <SSilver2k2> oh, because its full size
[1:40] <SSilver2k2> one sec
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[1:41] <DrLuke> making it smaller won't help at this immense blur level
[1:41] <ziltro> Adverts are so horrible though
[1:42] <IT_Sean> yeah, you need to actually learn how to take in-focus photos.
[1:42] <SSilver2k2> http://blog.sheasilverman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/gbprinterraspberrypi2.png
[1:42] <SSilver2k2> thats how it actually looks
[1:42] <SSilver2k2> the gameboy printer prints out stamp sized images
[1:42] <DrLuke> still can't see much
[1:43] <IT_Sean> that's still blurry as hell.. it's just small and blurry now.
[1:43] <IT_Sean> learn. to. focus.
[1:43] <SSilver2k2> i know how to focus.
[1:43] <IT_Sean> clearly not.
[1:43] <SSilver2k2> i dont have a macro lens on my iphone
[1:43] <IT_Sean> 'cause that photo is blurry as [censored]
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[1:43] <SSilver2k2> best with what ive got
[1:43] <SSilver2k2> yes. i heard you the first time. its blurry
[1:43] <SSilver2k2> saying its blurry 10 mroe times wont make it not.
[1:44] <SSilver2k2> come to florida with a macro lens and we can fix it :)
[1:44] <IT_Sean> pay for my airline ticket, and I will.
[1:44] <SSilver2k2> depends on the macro lens you got
[1:44] <SSilver2k2> lol
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[1:44] <[SLB]> lol
[1:44] <IT_Sean> I'll be bringing 70lbs of scuba gear with me, so, you'll have to cover the overweight baggage fee
[1:45] <knacht> hi guys, i got my first raspberry pi and iam very impressed. Now i am considering to change my Dockstar Samba Server against an Pi. Has anyone compared those two?
[1:46] * IT_Sean isn't sure how well suited the raspi is to server duty. It's a bit light on memory for that, innit?
[1:47] <knacht> IT_Sean: The Dockstar has 1.2 Ghz and 128 MB ram, so the raspberry has double ram, but less cpu
[1:47] <IT_Sean> ahh. i see.
[1:47] <graham1> can you buy rpi wholesale?
[1:47] <IT_Sean> graham1, no.
[1:47] <SSilver2k2> i think you would be more limited by the USB hub speed
[1:47] <graham1> whats the most you can buy?
[1:48] <SSilver2k2> does the dockstar have sata ports?
[1:48] <IT_Sean> I'm not sure they are still limiting quantities, but, there are no bulk discounts.
[1:48] <plugwash> I don't think there is any limit on the number you can order now though RS's consumer website seems to be limiting to 100 units
[1:48] <knacht> SSilver2k2: no, External USb drive
[1:48] <plugwash> but I don't think their buisness website is limiting order sizes
[1:48] <IT_Sean> you will pay full price. no matter if you buy 1 or 100
[1:49] <plugwash> indeed, however what "full price" means is different between the distributors
[1:49] <plugwash> in particular farnell include delivery in their base price while RS only charge delivery once per order
[1:51] <graham1> so do all the rpis get mainly bought up in bulk by ebay sellers?
[1:51] <graham1> coz it seems they go for a huge premium!
[1:51] <graham1> if u buy 100 of them u could probably make atleast 15quid profit on each of them right?
[1:51] <graham1> do most of them rpis get bought by resellers i mean**
[1:52] <plugwash> dunno, according to the forums farnell seem to have mostly caught up and seem to be shipping new orders within a week
[1:52] <SSilver2k2> graham1: doubt it. i think a small number of them have been. more than likely, its people who had a lot of accounts and got a lot of invitations
[1:52] <plugwash> whereas RS (who are cheaper for bulk buys) seem to be badly backordered
[1:53] <SSilver2k2> i work for a university, and just in my department we have 5 of them (all from individual orders)
[1:53] <plugwash> I think the number of Pis changing hands on ebay is a tiny fraction of total volume
[1:53] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[1:54] <graham1> do you think theres still plenty of people who would pay a premium to get them quickly though? and not wait 3 weeks or so?
[1:55] <Maior> graham1: yes
[1:55] <knacht> if i order tomorrow what is the estimated delivery time?
[1:55] <plugwash> knacht, official estimates from farnell is 5 weeks IIRC but reports from the forum are that they are actually filling orders much quicker than that
[1:56] <plugwash> RS seem to be in a much worse position (probablly because they are cheaper for bulk orders)
[1:56] <knacht> plugwash: k thx
[1:57] <graham1> if i order 10 now at 25quid each, and they arrrive in 5 weeks like stated. you think there will still be enough people in 5 weeks time who want to pay 40quid each? theres people paying 40quid for it now!
[1:57] <graham1> i wouldn't mind making a few hundred
[1:57] <plugwash> It's NOT 25 quid each at farnell
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[1:57] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't bet on it.
[1:58] <graham1> oh woops, i got buisness account so i can
[1:58] <graham1> for buisness at farnell its 25
[1:58] <plugwash> Farnell is currently arround ??30 each (inc VAT and UK delivery)
[1:58] <IT_Sean> As time goes on, the market for premium rate, faster shipping of Pis is going to go down.
[1:58] <plugwash> and the ebay price has been trending downwards for a while
[1:58] <plugwash> remember the headline price shown on farnell's buisness site does not include VAT
[2:00] <IT_Sean> /quit off
[2:00] <IT_Sean> grr
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[2:16] <phrozen> Question. If I want to update the kernel of the qtonpi dist, is it possible to just download the files from the raspberri github and replace the ones on the sd-card? :)
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[2:22] <neofutur> phrozen: it works with my gentoo install, try it ewith your qtonpi and tell us ;)
[2:23] <neofutur> ( it should work but i havent tried qtonpi )
[2:23] <phrozen> neofutur, thx. I'll do that! :) Funny tho, this dist has a partition called kernel where the start.elf file is located..
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[2:40] <phrozen> neofutur, hm, seems like it doesn't work. I get a lot of * disagrees about version of symbol module_layout...
[2:46] <neofutur> if you upgrade the kernel you should also upgrade the modules in /lib/modules
[2:47] <neofutur> modules have to be the same version as the kernel
[2:48] <phrozen> Ye, google told me the same thing. :P Seems like I fumbled somewhere while replacing all files. :P
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[2:58] <lrvick> Finally got my pi fully wireless ^_^ http://dumpon.us/446.jpg
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[2:59] <phrozen> Neat! For how long can it run from battery?
[3:00] <mal|lappy> lrvick: That's awesome
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[3:00] <sheppard> ITS A HAND GRENADE
[3:00] <sheppard> GET THE TERRORIST
[3:00] <mal|lappy> Haha
[3:01] <mal|lappy> Hand grenade with WPA2!
[3:01] <sheppard> lrvick: really like your case
[3:01] <phrozen> Well, you could place some c4 in there and ignite with the gpio i suppose. :P
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[3:02] <maicod> Ionic`: I ordered the HUB that you got :)
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[3:05] <lrvick> phrozen: several hours it seems.
[3:05] <lrvick> phrozen: its not dead yet
[3:06] <lrvick> I kind of want to just walk into an airport
[3:06] <lrvick> with that in my trench coat pocket
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[3:07] <phrozen> Nice.. I'm thinking about buying some kind of battery like that myself. Do you know how many mAh yours are?
[3:08] <lrvick> phrozen: 5200
[3:08] <lrvick> phrozen: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006VZ3CIA/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00
[3:08] <lrvick> velcros tot he side of my case perfectly
[3:08] <lrvick> its just as long as the pi
[3:09] <phrozen> Cool! Thx! :)
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[3:09] <Maior> lrvick: interesting, you went for covering the HDMI?
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[3:09] <lrvick> Maior: well if i need to use the hdmi, i simply de-velcro it. and use it
[3:09] <lrvick> but if im just wanting something to carry around, use as a quick wireless server, its fine.
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[3:10] <lrvick> I don't use the hdmi much personally. I just ssh to it
[3:11] <lrvick> plug in ethernet, use it as a quick network backdoor without having to waste a full laptop.
[3:11] <Maior> lrvick: makes sense
[3:11] <Maior> cheers for amazon link
[3:12] <lrvick> pops up the ip address on the lcd, and im good to connect
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[3:25] <mal|lappy> I guess I should actually pick my pi up off the bench and do something with it
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[3:27] <oldtopman> lrvick: What OS are you running on that?
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[3:29] <lrvick> oldtopman: arch
[3:29] <oldtopman> Do you have bluetooth up?
[3:29] <mal|lappy> Are there any images for RPI that allow me to run headless out of the box? for instance: have dhcp set up so I can just find IP and ssh after imaging the SD card and booting?
[3:29] <monthos> Possibly a stupid question, anyone know if its safe electronically to remove the sdcard from a powered pi? My rootfs is located on NFS, not the sdcard. Just not sure if the equipment is wired to accept things like this.
[3:30] <oldtopman> monthos: Yes, but at a slight risk of corrupting the SDcard, crashing the pi.
[3:30] <oldtopman> It's like taking the HD out of your computer (obviously)
[3:30] <lrvick> mal|lappy: arch has ssh out of the box
[3:31] <lrvick> mal|lappy: flash it, boot it, ssh to "alarmpi"
[3:31] <mal|lappy> Excellent, I'll give that a shot
[3:31] <mal|lappy> Don't have a TV available to plug it into :)
[3:31] <mal|lappy> And I didn't realize I'd need a special cable for console access
[3:31] <monthos> oldtopman: not exactly, sdcards are perfectly safe to remove on a live system in general, as long as its not activly being used. And I will not be active using it, as /boot will be unmounted, and / is on the network.
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[3:32] <oldtopman> monthos: Sounds like you know what you're talking about.
[3:32] <monthos> I was just not sure if that could cause a wierd reaction in a pi specifically.
[3:32] <monthos> ie, a voltage spike or something that could crash it. I have no background in hardware, just software.
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[3:37] <monthos> I am actually surprised my pi booted with a root NFS on my first try. I have not used it since running linux on my dreamcast, and thats been more years that I want to count
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[3:45] <NullMoogleCable> lol
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[3:46] <ThatOneGuy> lol
[3:48] <home> what u loling about
[3:51] <ThatOneGuy> the other guy lol'd so to break the ice I lol'd...at nothing
[3:51] <mal|lappy> Just makes you seem crazy
[3:52] <ThatOneGuy> Well I have three of these bad boards and idk what to use them for. One maybe as a media server another as a ARM devel environment. Any ideas?
[3:53] <ThatOneGuy> Yeah I guess it does. Sorry.
[3:54] <MasterGeek> friend of mine has started to put 250 of them in a 4U server case, and is going to sell them as dedicated server/hosting
[3:55] <mal|lappy> I've been thinking about figuring out how good it actually is as a htpc
[3:55] <MasterGeek> v good
[3:55] <MasterGeek> :)
[3:56] <mal|lappy> Does 1080p from a network file share no issues?
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[3:57] <phrozen> mal|lappy, no, not really. Something spiked the cpu when i tried that. (xbmc with samba)
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[3:58] <mal|lappy> Yeah I'll have to test that, but I know the samba uses a lot of CPU
[3:58] <Gallomimia> how do i change my keyboard layout? british layout sucks for linuxing
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[3:58] <phrozen> Gallomimia, depends on the distrubution. Raspbian?
[3:59] <Gallomimia> yessir
[3:59] <MasterGeek> xbmc plays, highest res, HD from the BBC ok
[3:59] <phrozen> On the top of my head it is: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[4:00] <phrozen> Not 100% sure. :P
[4:00] <phrozen> Oh, and you will need to reboot for it too set in. :P
[4:03] <ThatOneGuy> oh wow I've been gone. I still have debian wheezy
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[4:03] <ThatOneGuy> well thats because of devel before that I had debian squeeze. but now there is Raspbian... have they written a graphics driver yet?
[4:04] <phrozen> ThatOneGuy, dont know about graphics but there were some hype about hardware accellerated floating point arithmetik..
[4:04] <ThatOneGuy> nice at least one step closer
[4:04] <monthos> No, X is not accelerated yet.
[4:05] <ThatOneGuy> :/ darn
[4:06] <ThatOneGuy> is there a forum post that discusses the challenges they are facing? I would like to know why it isn't implemented yet.
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[4:06] <MasterGeek> one word >>> broadcom
[4:07] <mal|lappy> heh
[4:07] <MasterGeek> :)
[4:07] <lrvick> There we go. Set up wicd scripts to output all current connection information to the lcd
[4:07] <lrvick> now i can always find my pi on the network ^_^
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[4:08] <home> lrvick: yay :D, share so that I can learn?
[4:08] <home> a screenie maybe
[4:09] <phire> accelerated x shouldn't be that hard. I suspect that nobody is working on it
[4:09] <ThatOneGuy> I think mastergeek is right
[4:10] <phire> broadcom provides two open standards for doing acceleration
[4:10] <ThatOneGuy> broadcom seems to be very uptight about letting other write drivers. for my laptop under Ubuntu I had to get broadcom FW binary blobs and install them myself to use the wireless
[4:10] <phire> opengl es
[4:10] <phire> for 3d and another one for 2d
[4:10] <ThatOneGuy> yeah but we don't even have a driver to access those technologies
[4:10] <ThatOneGuy> to even call those functions
[4:10] <ThatOneGuy> or do we?
[4:11] <phire> yes we do
[4:11] <phrozen> Anyone of you have experience with alot of "disagrees about version of symbol module_layout" after a update from the bin from the raspberrys github?
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[4:11] <phire> look in /opt/
[4:11] <monthos> phrozen: that sounds like a kernel/kernel module mismatch
[4:12] <home> its ironic that the raspberry pi doesnt have an open source graphics driver :/
[4:12] <phire> broadcom provide a number of shared libraries and example code
[4:12] <phrozen> Hm, yea, is there any way for me too check the kernel version vs the module version so that i can se what isnt updated as it should..
[4:14] <monthos> phrozen: it doesnt state which module is causing the issue in dmesg?
[4:14] <monthos> or if your loading manually, when you insmod?
[4:14] <MasterGeek> Heres the way i see it, Broadcom dosnt want a ity bity Pi to take market share from its Vast rage of lockedown crap, and so they always playing hard ball it letting out the goods,
[4:15] <phrozen> It just prints them out at boot, cant even log in because of no working keyboard/wlan etc so it's hard to look at dmesg..
[4:16] <home> MasterGeek: Thats the sad thing, we let companies hamper...us like that.
[4:17] <monthos> phrozen: if thats the case, it really sounds like your /boot/kernel.img is not matching the kernel modules present on your root filesystem. was this a install giving you this problem, or did it come up after trying a new kernel?
[4:17] <home> MasterGeek: But the times are slowly changing, so there is good news..
[4:17] <phire> all someone needs to do is wrap the 2d accleration .so in an x11 driver
[4:17] <MasterGeek> yer, only because its becoming eayser to decompile blobs :P
[4:18] <phire> I suspect its the "how to write an x11 driver" that is holding things up
[4:18] <monthos> phrozen: remember that kernel version number is not always a matching indication that modules will work with them, a custom compiled kernel, even in the same version should use its own compiled modules.
[4:19] <phrozen> monthos, ye, i did download all files from rasppberrys github https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware and replaced all the files... Im running the qtonpi dist so maybe they have some strange settings...
[4:21] <ThatOneGuy> so is our broadcom chip not prevalent in other devices?
[4:22] <MasterGeek> yer, its locked down in all of them too
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[4:22] <home> 2012 is looking good so far
[4:22] <home> man the future scares the crap out of me
[4:23] <MasterGeek> lol
[4:23] <phire> none of the other devices us x11
[4:23] <phire> *use
[4:23] <phire> hence the lack of an x11 driver
[4:23] <ThatOneGuy> but if they are running android don't they have some form of a 3d accelerated driver? or is it that we have the driver now we have to write an x11 driver to use the chip?
[4:24] <phire> we have the driver
[4:24] <MasterGeek> how the hell am i ment to use Secondlife on a pi with 0.4 fps :P
[4:25] <ThatOneGuy> I guess writing X drivers is hard or no one in the community knows how?
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[4:25] <phire> checkout the /opt/vc/src/hello_pi folder
[4:26] <ThatOneGuy> me?
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[4:27] <phire> example code of how to use the driver
[4:27] <ThatOneGuy> now I have to go plug in my pi...
[4:30] <phrozen> Hm, Raspberry should remove the QtonPi dist from there download section. It's only almost working out of the box and a living hell to upgrade... Wonder if compiling the QT library with opengl 2 es support on the raspbian is a easier way...
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[4:32] <MasterGeek> raspbian seems to be more user friendly
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[4:32] <MasterGeek> compiled all my pi-phone aps ok with 0 err
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[4:33] <phrozen> MasterGeek, not only more user friendly, it's not running on a kernel thats ancient. :P
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[4:33] <MasterGeek> well yer, that too
[4:33] <KyleBrodie> and it has GNOME 3 :P
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[4:34] <phire> I dislike x anyway
[4:34] <phrozen> That, I dont want! :P Im trying to build a image viewer. The kind you have a frame around that substitutes a picture. ^
[4:34] <youlysses> So I just started my raspbian install. Does the installer give you an option to have a "minimal" install?
[4:34] * youlysses just wants to ssh into his home server.
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[4:35] <MasterGeek> its about as minimal as it gets out the box
[4:35] <maicod> Piediepie
[4:35] <youlysses> MasterGeek: I thought I came with xorg and lxde?
[4:35] <phrozen> No minimal on raspbian i'm afraid.. But it isn't very big in the first place. :P
[4:35] <phrozen> ye. it does.
[4:35] <MasterGeek> well yer, gota haz a desktop
[4:35] <MasterGeek> lol
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[4:36] <youlysses> I guess I'll just unistall in when it's done. :-P
[4:36] <MasterGeek> just dont do start
[4:36] <youlysses> MasterGeek: Nah, the only thing one has to have is a shell. Preferably via Emacs. ;-)
[4:37] <MasterGeek> yer try selling that to schools, "No destop, just a term"
[4:38] <youlysses> MasterGeek: These are aimed at kids learning the basics of programming right? A terminal shouldn't be a hard sell... :-/
[4:39] <MasterGeek> depends on the age group i guess,
[4:39] <MasterGeek> 6-11 year olds, want click n go
[4:39] <phrozen> Why mix the kids into this? I'm also looking for an up-to date debian based minimal raspberry installation. Let the kids play with their own dist. :P
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[4:40] <youlysses> MasterGeek: That's because they're used to it. That's also the age they're most adaptible, and excitable.
[4:40] <MasterGeek> well seeing as it was designed for kids, not old gits like us,
[4:41] <youlysses> phrozen: Like I asked before, weren't these origonally aimed at kids to learn progrmaming? MasterGeek: Exactly.
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[4:44] <phrozen> well, I do some work as a computer teacher and I can't say that a black and white terminal is the best motivator. The best motivator I have seen sofar while teaching was when they were playing in adobes flash... Actionscript and visually stuff is a good playground...
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[4:46] <KyleBrodie> something like Bret Victor's IDE or LightTable. http://vimeo.com/36579366
[4:46] <phrozen> Ye, I've seen that one before.. Can't wait to get that to the kids. :P
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[4:48] <Platz> phrozen: any consideration of javascript + browser for instant results?
[4:49] <Platz> but js has a lot of wrinkles
[4:49] <KyleBrodie> sure install chromium for the fast V8 javascript engine then get to work
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[4:51] <phrozen> Platz, havn't found a IDE that I'm satisfied with when it comes to javascript, but ye, it's on my mind... :P
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[4:52] <Platz> yes, dynamic langs ( & especially js ) have crappy ide's
[4:52] <Platz> but there are benefits too ( ubiquity, desirability in the larger workforce, lack of prior installation requirements, and ability to create something that's easy to share with friends)
[4:52] <ThatOneGuy[diffC> eclipse with aptana?
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[4:56] <phrozen> Tried aptana a couple of years back but I beleave much has changed so maybe I should give it a go. At the moment the school I'm at are running dreamweaver so it's a bit of a hassle to change. :P
[4:56] <th3g33k> vim is a great editor
[4:57] <th3g33k> if you want a real GUI
[4:57] <th3g33k> Komodo Edit and it is free
[4:57] <phrozen> th3g33k, haha. :P Indeed.. ^^
[4:57] <phrozen> Heh, thought for a while that you called vim a real GUI. :P
[4:58] <ThatOneGuy[diffC> vim has a virtual terminal script right? then you run a standalone v8 shell in there and load your working .js to evaluate it
[4:58] <ThatOneGuy[diffC> me too :P
[4:58] <th3g33k> vim is awesome
[4:59] <phrozen> Not arguing with that, but maybe not something that I would throw at kids and tell them to get hacking with.. ^
[4:59] <th3g33k> why not?
[4:59] <th3g33k> ir
[5:00] <th3g33k> for kids joe
[5:00] <th3g33k> "joe"
[5:02] <ThatOneGuy[diffC> ok kids now we are going to copy this code. first put your cursor over the beginning. thats with the keyboard kids not the mouse. Then press Shift V move to end and press y. now move your cursor over here (with the keyboard again) and press p
[5:02] <th3g33k> hahaha
[5:02] <phrozen> look at that link that KyleBrodie put. That is how a IDE should work always... :P
[5:02] <ThatOneGuy[diffC> kid: what happened to ctrl-c and ctrl-p?
[5:03] <th3g33k> "joe"
[5:04] <MasterGeek> lol, my 9yo has been learning extended AT, GSM, GPRS Commands for the last 4 days, luvs using his pie to listen to cell calls
[5:04] <ThatOneGuy[diffC> have you watched it? after I watched that...man that guy is so right. It resonates so well with me. Now I working in REPLs so I can get a not really instant feedback
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[5:07] <th3g33k> what device are you using for GSM
[5:08] <MasterGeek> i built a pi phone, module
[5:08] <ThatOneGuy> OoooOO thats sounds cool
[5:08] <ThatOneGuy> tell us more
[5:08] <MasterGeek> http://thepifactory.org/index.php/the-pi-phone-2
[5:08] <ThatOneGuy> ***sets up for storytime
[5:09] <th3g33k> this is cool+
[5:09] <th3g33k> cool!
[5:10] <MasterGeek> i used the quad telit
[5:10] <MasterGeek> kinda cool
[5:10] <th3g33k> how much did it cost you to build?
[5:10] <MasterGeek> well
[5:11] <th3g33k> why not just use a 3G USB dongle?
[5:12] <ThatOneGuy> I think he wanted direct packet building access right?
[5:12] <MasterGeek> the dev board was expencive, but the modules are 40 euros,, im building the first batch on a pickit board, for 9? so in all about 50? i think will be the retail give or take
[5:13] <th3g33k> hmmmm
[5:13] <th3g33k> does it act like a GSM BTS?
[5:15] <th3g33k> i mean a USRP replacement?
[5:16] <MasterGeek> well the module is a tewlit 862, python, has gsm, gprs,gps,3g, hsdp edge, cell relay,an arm 11, some nvram realtime clock,uart, adds 40 more gpio's and a pic, has cam io, will drive 3" lcd and more
[5:17] <MasterGeek> cant git that on a usb stick
[5:17] <MasterGeek> ^^ telit
[5:18] <ThatOneGuy> yeah duckduckgo helped me figure that out :P
[5:18] <th3g33k> looks interesting
[5:18] <th3g33k> will check out the specs
[5:20] <MasterGeek> http://www.roundsolutions.com/techdocs/ds/Telit_GM862-QUAD_PY_Datasheet.pdf < be my guest
[5:20] <th3g33k> where you from MasterG
[5:20] <MasterGeek> Dudley UK
[5:21] <th3g33k> still up? hehe
[5:21] <MasterGeek> just got up
[5:21] <MasterGeek> well last few hrs
[5:21] <th3g33k> oh an early birsd
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[5:21] <MasterGeek> i works nights
[5:22] <ThatOneGuy> I have done no hardware hacking, but before I totally dismiss this. (I'm pretty sure its not worth doing but I want to know from someone with more experience) Would I gain any sort of technical learning from disassembling my phone and would I be able to either flash it with a new OS or be able to use the cellular chip to do something like you are doing?
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[5:22] <MasterGeek> i guess it would depend on the phone,
[5:23] <phrozen> Heh, Sweden here, started working on getting my rasp working at 9 this morning and now I'm running in circles. Time to throw in the towel perhaps. ^^
[5:23] <th3g33k> you so many stuff in the picture how would this interface with the pi
[5:23] <MasterGeek> uart
[5:24] <ThatOneGuy> a non-smart phone. to be specific the LG-VX7100
[5:24] <MasterGeek> the breadboard is just max232cpe
[5:25] <MasterGeek> duno anything about the LG , but i guess if you an find comms , then it should be as easy as using minicom, to get full functionality
[5:26] <MasterGeek> i choose the telit, bc its all python
[5:27] <ThatOneGuy> what do you mean by find comms? as in find the chip or find something specific about it? or something else
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[5:30] <MasterGeek> like i said, i duno, LG phone, but if its a phone you can tether, in any way it would be easier, but even easier to just buy a module and build one can get cheap modules for like 25E
[5:31] <ThatOneGuy> yeah for an actually learning tool I would want one of those modules, but seeing as it is soon to be replace I would like to get some learning out of it.
[5:31] <MasterGeek> i wanted to be able to inter act with the cell, and show how the cell talks to other phones, as well as this one, Telit Quad, allows you to becom a private cell too, and pass or relay real world calls onto next cell
[5:33] <MasterGeek> has nearly 13,500 commands can use
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[5:33] <ThatOneGuy> are you saying that the Telit can act as a relay between phones to establish a call or that it can relay from a phone to a tower to continue its 'real world' call
[5:33] <MasterGeek> command set has 600+ pages a4
[5:34] <MasterGeek> yer intercept too
[5:34] <MasterGeek> but you needs to get 2 of em back to back
[5:35] <adammw111> Hey, just wondering if anyone has been able to watch the Olympics on a Raspberry Pi yet?
[5:35] <Ionic`> wtf?
[5:35] <MasterGeek> one suck it in the other hands it off
[5:36] <Ionic`> why isn't the raspi seeing my usb storage disk
[5:36] <MasterGeek> hub or direct ?
[5:37] <Ionic`> hub
[5:37] <Ionic`> do I need to attach it directly?
[5:37] <ThatOneGuy> MasterGeek: can it not cache it and then send it? as in recieve cache send...repeat.
[5:37] <Ionic`> usb-storage is builtin
[5:37] <Ionic`> hmmm
[5:37] <Ionic`> that stuff should work just fine?
[5:38] <MasterGeek> i dumped my none powered hub for a powered one and it worked ok from then
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[5:38] <Ionic`> the hub ist powered and so is the hdd enclosure
[5:38] <Ionic`> messed up
[5:38] <MasterGeek> cache a call ?
[5:39] <Ionic`> I'll shutdown change some other stuff
[5:39] <ThatOneGuy> now that I think about it...yeah... im tired
[5:40] <Ionic`> you're tyred? :p
[5:40] <ThatOneGuy> Well back here in West Coast 'Merica its nighttime
[5:40] <Ionic`> 5am here
[5:41] <Ionic`> so late in the evening (for me)
[5:43] <MasterGeek> ACTION is away: I was raided by the police and all I got to keep was this lousy quit message!
[5:44] <ThatOneGuy> hehehe
[5:44] <MasterGeek> lol srr i forgot i got that switched on ^^ random script
[5:46] <Ionic`> ah there we go
[5:46] <Ionic`> now it sees the hard disk, nice
[5:46] <Ionic`> let's see how hdparm -tT /dev/sda works out
[5:46] <Ionic`> uh...
[5:46] <Ionic`> if it works
[5:47] <Ionic`> hmm 20MB/s
[5:47] <Ionic`> but my wifi is dead in-between
[5:47] <Ionic`> gnargh.
[5:47] <Ionic`> that could be a problem
[5:58] <ThatOneGuy> night guys! im getting sleepy
[5:58] <Ionic`> night
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[5:59] <tos9> Man. I need better planning. In retrospect, ordering a Pi and saying "hey I'm sure I've got a blackberry charger around here somewhere I can look for" is probably not the greatest thing to have done.
[6:00] <PhotoJim> pick up a cheap USB power adapter and a micro-USB cable. easy enough to find.
[6:00] <PhotoJim> just make sure your power adapter provides at least 1 amp of 5V power.
[6:00] <PhotoJim> or 1000 milliamps, if it expresses it that way.
[6:00] <tos9> Yeah. They're all over the place, I can bring one home from work tomorrow certainly.
[6:00] <tos9> But I wish I'd have done that sooner, rather than having a night where it just sits here now :)
[6:15] <monthos> Heh, my pi was delivered to me at work, and when I got it, I was working hard on disaster recovery due to storms in the area... so I can appreciate the feeling of staring at it and not getting to work with it.
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[6:28] <tos9> Yeah. I also realized I don't have any SDHC cards lying around, but that I'm kinda happy I didn't buy, I think I'm gonna just grab a 128mb (yes mb) card for booting and then use one of the USB HDs I have hanging around
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[6:33] <monthos> tos9: Sounds good, I am using an old cobalt raq2, which happens to be my fileserver anyways, as a NFS host for my root filesystem. When tweaking things and constantly crashing it, it helps not having to reimage an sd card every 20 minutes.
[6:34] <PhotoJim> cool, I have a RaQ2 too :)
[6:34] <PhotoJim> I have to say, I got my Pi running in about an hour or so and it's been rock solid since.
[6:34] <tos9> Nice :)
[6:34] <monthos> Im testing overclocking scenario's
[6:35] <PhotoJim> just unzipped the image of Raspbian onto a 4 GB card, ran the enlarge script to use the full space, and did a couple of minor config changes.
[6:35] <monthos> PhotoJim: you still use it, or 'have' it lol. Sometimes I wonder if I am the only one who uses them anymore
[6:35] <tos9> I would certainly not call myself an expert on embedded devices, so I definitely expect lots of crashing :)
[6:35] <PhotoJim> monthos: Heh, yes, it's running but I don't do anything useful with it yet.
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[6:36] <PhotoJim> monthos: I need to replace its cooling fan so I have to run it with the lid off to keep it cool enough.
[6:36] <PhotoJim> monthos: if you're into that sort of thing, check out #classiccmp sometime.
[6:36] <monthos> Yeah, I keep it cool in my apartment. My fans died long ago. It's fine sitting underneath the cable box in the living room(thats where my cable modem is)
[6:36] <PhotoJim> as ong as it works.
[6:37] <PhotoJim> long
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[6:44] <Gabtendo> my expected Raspberry Pi ship date keeps getting pushed back :(
[6:45] <Gabtendo> "Expected Ship Date
[6:45] <Gabtendo> 13 Aug 2012"
[6:45] <Gabtendo> son of a bi...
[6:45] <PhotoJim> well, the Pi is entirely boring and you won't really be that excited to get it.
[6:45] <PhotoJim> (I'm just trying to reduce your frustration by lying.)
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[6:53] <home> Gabtendo: thats when I get mine
[6:53] <home> Gabtendo: ordered ysterday
[6:53] <home> PhotoJim: lol
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[6:55] <PhotoJim> mine took forever. but it showed up.
[6:55] <PhotoJim> well, they. two.
[6:55] <PhotoJim> well worth the wait though. very fun.
[6:57] <Gabtendo> How did I only recently discover the stackexchange.com network?
[6:57] <Gabtendo> It's the network the Q&A search engine sites have deserved
[6:57] <Gabtendo> (eg yahoo's ask)
[6:58] <Gabtendo> It was just never what it could be: this is really cool
[7:05] <yggdrasil> whats up guys
[7:05] <yggdrasil> wow i have +v or something
[7:05] <yggdrasil> awesome.
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[7:11] <maicod> hi how can I rerun the raspbian wheezy initial setup menu?
[7:12] <GriffenJBS> maicod: raspi-config
[7:12] <maicod> ah cool thanks :)
[7:12] <maicod> I did apt-get but my partition is full and now I want to expand it
[7:12] <GriffenJBS> iirc, may be wrong, but it's close to that
[7:12] <maicod> hehe
[7:12] <maicod> I mean apt-get install ....
[7:13] <maicod> it failed cause of 'out of space'
[7:13] <GriffenJBS> bummer
[7:13] <maicod> hehe
[7:13] <GriffenJBS> ... use apt-get to clear your cache
[7:13] <maicod> OK will do
[7:14] <maicod> griffen: maybe u know this. I wanted to see/manage my network connections in X with network manager but I didnt know which packages to get so I did apt-get install network-manager* :)
[7:14] <maicod> it filled my partition to the brim :)
[7:14] <GriffenJBS> "apt-get autoclean", if you need more space "apt-get clean"
[7:15] <maicod> do you know which of the network-manager packages I need ?
[7:15] <GriffenJBS> nah, I can't be much help with that
[7:15] <maicod> I just want to see my wired connection with network-manager in X that I normally see with ifconfig in console
[7:15] <maicod> OK :)
[7:15] <GriffenJBS> I haven't used X on the pi
[7:16] <maicod> what does apt-get clean clean ?
[7:16] <maicod> and autoclena
[7:16] <maicod> autoclean
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[7:16] <GriffenJBS> autoclean tries to remove unused packages, clean removes all of the packages, both leave your items installed, but if you need the package you'll have to redownload it
[7:17] <maicod> oh the 'zipped-up' versions of the installed software huh
[7:17] <hotwings> autoremove removes unused packages
[7:17] <maicod> but it does leave the stuff thats installed from out of those packages intact ?
[7:18] <GriffenJBS> yes
[7:18] <maicod> Oh right
[7:18] <GriffenJBS> they just mess with the cache
[7:18] <maicod> hehe
[7:18] <maicod> its like windows keeping all these msi files :)
[7:19] <GriffenJBS> hotwings: you are correct, I'm trying to skip the minute details
[7:19] <hotwings> maicod - yup
[7:19] <maicod> :)
[7:20] <maicod> lemme login to the beast :)
[7:20] <maicod> ssh :)
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[7:20] <maicod> cool that wheezy has ssh enabled from start
[7:20] <maicod> not that I find it difficult to run ssh-keygen :P
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[7:21] <yggdrasil> whats up guys
[7:21] <maicod> raspi-config it is !
[7:21] <maicod> thanks :)
[7:22] <maicod> griffen: when expanding does it move the swap to the outer edge of my SD card and enlarge the middle partiton (the system partition) ?
[7:22] <yggdrasil> i think so
[7:22] <maicod> I once did it manually :)
[7:23] <yggdrasil> you ca do it from a linbox with gparted too.
[7:23] <maicod> yeah did that
[7:23] <maicod> vmware :)
[7:23] <maicod> vmware/ubuntu
[7:23] <yggdrasil> you should jsut run ubuntu
[7:23] <yggdrasil> and run vmware for your windows
[7:23] <maicod> hahaha
[7:23] <maicod> ugh :)
[7:23] <yggdrasil> haha
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[7:24] <maicod> maybe one day :)
[7:24] <yggdrasil> are you chicken or the pig
[7:24] <maicod> ehm the egg ;)
[7:24] <yggdrasil> haha
[7:25] <Gabtendo> what package repositories is Raspbian configured with by default?
[7:25] <Gabtendo> Can somebody confirm a repo for me?
[7:25] <yggdrasil> i forced my self to do it and . um.'
[7:25] <yggdrasil> im so thankfull.
[7:25] <yggdrasil> i can do a reinstall in about 15 minutes
[7:25] <GriffenJBS> raspi-config, doesn't move the swap
[7:25] <yggdrasil> no ?
[7:25] <GriffenJBS> raspbian uses a swapfile, so no partition
[7:25] <yggdrasil> oh yea
[7:25] <yggdrasil> thats right.
[7:25] <maicod> I noticed raspbian wheezy has much less X packages pre-installed then the old debian6-19-04-2012 one
[7:25] <maicod> oh it doesnt have one ?
[7:26] <maicod> didnt notice it
[7:26] <maicod> but the swapfile isnt switched on for SD is it ? its bad for the SD
[7:26] <yggdrasil> did it used to ?
[7:26] <maicod> yeah !
[7:26] <maicod> debian6-19-04-2012 has 3 partitions
[7:26] <maicod> fat32/ext4/swap
[7:26] <GriffenJBS> yes
[7:26] <maicod> but does it really use the swap file from default ????
[7:27] <maicod> or is it commented out in fstab like in debian6-19-04-2012
[7:27] <GriffenJBS> I don't know if raspbian uses the swapfile by default, but that is how it's configured
[7:27] <maicod> swapfile on a SDcard isnt good ;)
[7:27] <GriffenJBS> I don't have mine handy to see
[7:27] <maicod> lemme check
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[7:27] <GriffenJBS> swapfile isn't too bad, there isn't a lot of swapping going on
[7:28] <maicod> root@raspberrypi:~# cat /etc/fstab
[7:28] <maicod> proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
[7:28] <maicod> /dev/mmcblk0p1 /boot vfat defaults 0 0
[7:28] <maicod> /dev/mmcblk0p2 / ext4 defaults,noatime 0 0
[7:28] <maicod> # a swapfile is not a swap partition, so no using swapon|off from here on, use dphys-swapfile swap[on|off] for that
[7:28] <maicod> haha swapon doesnt work anymore ;)
[7:28] <GriffenJBS> linux buffers a lot, the swapfile only writes what doesn't fit in ram
[7:28] <maicod> fstab doesnt show if its enabled
[7:29] <maicod> fstab is only for partitions huh :)
[7:29] <GriffenJBS> just look at swapon, are any currently enabled?
[7:30] <maicod> how do I make dphys-swapfile list the status ?
[7:30] <GriffenJBS> I don't know
[7:31] <maicod> and swapon is of no use (see my pasted fstab)
[7:31] <GriffenJBS> if swapon shows nothing, then there are none enabled
[7:31] <maicod> also concerning swapFILES ?
[7:32] <GriffenJBS> I don't know dphys-swapfile, so I'm unsure
[7:32] <maicod> OK don't worry
[7:33] <GriffenJBS> I know the SD is limited to about 20MB/s anyone know of limits on the USB?
[7:33] <maicod> ~22
[7:33] <maicod> I think if I remember well
[7:33] <GriffenJBS> besides the 480Mb/s of USB2
[7:33] <maicod> thats mbit
[7:34] <GriffenJBS> yeah, and theory, not practical
[7:34] <maicod> indeed loads of overhead (packets headers)
[7:34] <brougham> how much does it drop ifd you load up the eth port too?
[7:34] <GriffenJBS> data + overhead still doesn't hit that rate
[7:34] <maicod> I think I get up to 22000 Kpbs
[7:35] <GriffenJBS> I'm wondering if a USB flash drive would be of use as swap partition, 2GB are super cheap
[7:35] <maicod> LOL like windows7 does :)
[7:35] <maicod> forgot what its called
[7:36] <maicod> use a flashdisk to extend memory :)
[7:36] <GriffenJBS> basicly, but the USB may be a bottleneck
[7:37] <maicod> answer from raspbian-wheezy for the pi creator:
[7:37] <maicod> I'm using a swap file instead because it's easier to manage (grow/shrink/remove as desired). The linux filesystem layer is bypassed, so this is equivalent in terms of performance - not that you'll get great performance in the case you have to swap to SD anyway.
[7:37] <maicod> This swap file is managed using the dphys-swapfile script (because I figured, why bother inventing my own when this one offers some reasonable init.d scripts and config file). `man dphys-swapfile` for details.
[7:38] <GriffenJBS> wow, 4GB Kingston USB flash drive for $2.39?!
[7:38] <maicod> LOL
[7:38] <maicod> but please take into account it needs to write at a certain speed
[7:38] <maicod> some are so slowwwwww
[7:38] <GriffenJBS> and free shipping
[7:38] <GriffenJBS> maicod: so a raid of USB flash drives?
[7:39] <maicod> LOL raid yeah
[7:39] <maicod> RAID 0 :)
[7:39] <GriffenJBS> won't do any good unless you start pushing enough data to make use of it
[7:40] <maicod> btw the total the USB bus to soc connection can handle can be limited
[7:40] <GriffenJBS> maicod: maybe, but I haven't tried to push it and see what it can do
[7:40] <GriffenJBS> I do know the SD is limited
[7:41] <GriffenJBS> it's a voltage problem, higher speeds need higher voltage for SD
[7:41] <maicod> aha
[7:41] <maicod> intresting
[7:41] <maicod> cause I don't want a swapfile/swap partition on SD and I wasnt sure I just did: dphys-swapfile uninstall
[7:42] <maicod> it didnt say there was nothing to uninstall :)
[7:42] <maicod> but it doesnt say that either when I repeatedly do that command :)
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[7:43] <maicod> <GriffenJBS> ... use apt-get to clear your cache
[7:43] <maicod> you meant apt-get clean or the autoclean commands or else ?
[7:44] <GriffenJBS> you needed room to run raspi-config, so run "apt-get autoclean"
[7:44] <maicod> oh it ran fine before that
[7:44] <GriffenJBS> if that doesn't work use "apt-get clean"
[7:45] <maicod> its probably got a couple of blocks free
[7:45] <maicod> it however did fail with 'out of space'
[7:45] <maicod> apt-get fail
[7:45] <maicod> df says 100 %
[7:45] <GriffenJBS> df
[7:45] <GriffenJBS> yeah .. nvm you know
[7:45] <maicod> yea
[7:45] <maicod> thanks
[7:46] <maicod> what does mmcblk0 stand for ?
[7:47] <maicod> I mean its so different from names like sda
[7:47] <GriffenJBS> MultiMediaCardBLocK0
[7:48] <maicod> its probably how linux addresses the sdcard slot of the Pi
[7:48] <GriffenJBS> yeah
[7:48] <maicod> I'd never seen it before in linux :)
[7:48] <maicod> but then again the Pi is a strange chicken
[7:49] <GriffenJBS> have you used linux on something with an SD card, what was the mount point for that?
[7:49] <maicod> I think it was sda/sdc etc
[7:49] <maicod> but I need to check in vmware/ubuntu to be sure
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[7:50] <GriffenJBS> interesting, none of the boxes I've used had memory card readers
[7:50] <maicod> griffen: but it can also be different cause now a usb cardreader is connected in windows and the device is taken over by vmware and then ubuntu gets access to it
[7:51] <maicod> but in my case it didnt look like mmcblk0 etc.
[7:51] <maicod> damn sleepy
[7:55] <maicod> sleep sucks
[7:57] <maicod> i'm out. thanks for the help
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[9:41] <yggdrasil> whats the latest
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[9:56] <GriffenJBS> yggdrasil: latest?
[9:58] <Pe3k> hello, pls, what do you use for accessing your rpi from internet? I tried ssh and port forwarding, but each time it stops working after approx. 30 minutes ...without stopping of app. run, it only does not work and still seems (according to ps ax, netstat) as working
[9:59] <reider59> Looks like our Photographic trip to Lymm is off tomorrow, report looks like rain again. should have gone Monday last. :-(
[9:59] <xiambax> Do rasp bpi distress have sleep functions?
[9:59] <Pe3k> ...max. verbosity (-vvv) did not help
[10:00] <GriffenJBS> Pe3k: can you ping it? the question is what's losing connection, is the IP addr changing, is the ssh daemon crashing..?
[10:01] <GriffenJBS> xiambax: distress? the pi doesn't sleep, either it's on at low power (~2W) of it's off (0W)
[10:01] <xiambax> Ah
[10:01] <xiambax> Thats weird about the SSH issues
[10:01] <Pe3k> GriffenJBS: I am not able to connect from machine where to is my port 22 forwarded
[10:02] <phire> Pe3k, sounds more like a router issue
[10:02] <GriffenJBS> Pe3k: ok, that's the general problem, the real problem is why can't you, figure that out and the solution is much easier to find
[10:02] <GriffenJBS> phire: nice catch
[10:04] <Pe3k> sometimes it is closed with 'broken pipe' - that case I can avoid using simple script at rpi side, but case when it 'silently' does not work is worse
[10:04] <GriffenJBS> ? broken pipe fixed with a script?
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[10:05] <xiambax> That reminds me, I have to buy a new router.
[10:05] <xiambax> I wish google partnered with cisco and made an airport clone with airplay. kinda like a nexus q router.
[10:06] <phire> I have to replace my router with my linux server again
[10:06] <GriffenJBS> Pe3k: how are you connected to your pi? sounds like network problems, not the pi
[10:06] <phire> no, don't get cisco consumer routers
[10:06] <Pe3k> GriffenJBS: script each 10 seconds checks using ps ax if ssh -R ... is still tunning ...and if needed starts it again
[10:06] <xiambax> Cisco, Linksys all the same
[10:06] <xiambax> I use DDWRT on most of them anyway.
[10:07] <GriffenJBS> Pe3k: why not use sshd?
[10:07] <Pe3k> xiambax: I have netgear
[10:07] <xiambax> Iver never liked net gear or belkin products
[10:08] <GriffenJBS> xiambax: are you using raspbian?
[10:08] <GriffenJBS> opps, nvm
[10:08] <GriffenJBS> Pe3k: are you using raspbian?
[10:09] <Pe3k> GriffenJBS: sshd is started at boot and then in .bashrc I start script for port forwarding
[10:09] <Pe3k> GriffenJBS: debian,squeeze
[10:09] <GriffenJBS> ok, why do you need the port forwarding?
[10:10] <Pe3k> GriffenJBS: because I do not have public IP address at home
[10:10] <Pe3k> GriffenJBS: and need to connect to rpi from outside
[10:10] <GriffenJBS> ok, but wouldn't the port forwarding be on the router side, not the pi?
[10:11] <Pe3k> GriffenJBS: I may try it
[10:12] <reider59> RaspBian has the SSH auto added and is fater, more resilient. Maybe it's time to move to it
[10:12] <GriffenJBS> sshd opens your pi port 22, your router port forwards port 22 -> (pi addr):22
[10:12] <reider59> *faster
[10:12] <xiambax> http://www.amazon.com/Buffalo-Technology-AirStation-Wireless-WZR-HP-G450H/dp/B005CSOE1G <---- good router?
[10:12] <phire> I've got a netgear gigabit switch, but I went with a small business grade switch
[10:12] <phire> lifetime warrenty I think
[10:13] <phire> or maybe 10 year
[10:14] <phire> yeah, lifetime
[10:14] <phire> It pays to stay away from anything consumer grade.
[10:14] <GriffenJBS> phire: do you remember what that cost you?
[10:14] <Pe3k> GriffenJBS: I am not expert, but I think ssh port forwarding works not like that
[10:14] <xiambax> I just want a good 100 dollar router
[10:14] <phire> around $80 nzd
[10:14] <xiambax> apparently the airport expresses that just came out are pretty good
[10:15] <xiambax> i just want to stop giving apple my money
[10:15] <xiambax> they pissed me off
[10:15] <phire> xiambax, no
[10:15] <GriffenJBS> phire: I was expecting a lot more
[10:15] <phire> not airport express
[10:15] <phire> GriffenJBS, its only a tiny 5port
[10:15] <phire> http://www.netgear.com/service-provider/products/switches/unmanaged-desktop-switches/GS105.aspx
[10:15] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[10:15] <phire> and unmanaged, but clearly out of consumer grade
[10:16] <xiambax> http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/category/category_tlc.asp?CatId=35&name=Wireless-Networking&
[10:16] <xiambax> Thats just a gigabit switch?
[10:16] <phire> I tried to configure an airport express router once
[10:16] <GriffenJBS> I got a dirt cheap ..? rosewell 1Gb, I know it's junk, but works great, I'm not doing enough to saturate it
[10:16] <phire> complete pain in the but
[10:16] <xiambax> Configuring airport expresses is easy with the airport admin utility.
[10:17] <xiambax> The new ones are pretty stable.
[10:17] <xiambax> Not too hard if you know what you are doing
[10:17] <phire> not when I tried
[10:17] <xiambax> Help me find something on tigerdirect
[10:17] * Meatballs|Away is now known as Meatballs
[10:17] <xiambax> Are those low end enginius routers any good?
[10:17] <phire> doesn't help I was trying to use it in a non slightly standard way
[10:18] <xiambax> http://otvtech.com/catalogue?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_stock.tpl&product_id=13594&category_id=481
[10:19] <xiambax> 00mW
[10:19] <xiambax> sorry 500mW
[10:22] <xiambax> net gear n900 is what the internet is telling me to get
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[10:23] <xiambax> or this one http://www.ampedwireless.com/products/r20000g.html
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[10:36] <fredefl> Hello there! What are you planning to use your RPI for?
[10:36] <tcial> Is PiBot not back yet?
[10:36] <tcial> fredefl: Are you talking to me?
[10:36] <tcial> ]
[10:37] <fredefl> I'm talking to everyone ;)
[10:37] <tcial> Ah :D
[10:37] <tcial> I'm using mine for educational puposes
[10:37] <tcial> Well, I'm going to run my IRC bot on it xD
[10:37] <fredefl> Awesome ;)
[10:38] <fredefl> I'm gonna use it for....SSH proxy, media center and a boat?
[10:38] <tcial> boat?
[10:38] <tcial> xD
[10:38] <DexterLB> awesome :D
[10:38] <tcial> And I tried XBMC on it, it's a bit slow :/
[10:38] <fredefl> If I can at least
[10:38] <fredefl> Some guy already started on it
[10:38] <DexterLB> I'm going to use it as a media centre, server and.. rover
[10:38] <fredefl> FishPi
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[10:39] <DexterLB> I just got X + openbox running on Arch, but all the fonts are ugly (non-antialiased). How do I make them use subpixel rendering?
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[10:40] <DexterLB> anybody here running arch>
[10:40] <DexterLB> ->?
[10:40] <tcial> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_Configuration#Anti-aliasing
[10:40] <tcial> Looked at that?
[10:40] <GriffenJBS> DexterLB: a lot of the X stuff doesn't have GPU support, just have to wait for it
[10:40] <fredefl> I haven't got mine yet, or rather, it's waiting for me when I come home tomorrow on the post office ;)
[10:41] <GriffenJBS> it will get faster with time
[10:43] <fredefl> In order to make a boat you need: A Pie, An 3G USB Dongle, An USB GPS, An Electrical Motor, Some Solar Panels, and Some Batteries
[10:44] <fredefl> And some way to steer...
[10:44] <plugwash> and some way to keep the water out
[10:44] <fredefl> Yeah, a case
[10:44] <fredefl> Or rather, a hollow boat...
[10:44] <DexterLB> and a case inside the case :D
[10:44] <fredefl> Why?
[10:45] <reider59> I'm going to use mine to invent the wheel ;-)
[10:45] <fredefl> Nice! :-D
[10:45] <DexterLB> there _always_ turns out to be a leak somewhere the first time you put it on water :D
[10:45] <DexterLB> dunno if the pi likes being soaked
[10:46] <DexterLB> does it actually? someone must have tried it
[10:47] <fredefl> A pie doesn't take so good when it gets soaked. (Russian accent)
[10:47] <fredefl> *taste
[10:47] <DexterLB> xD
[10:48] <DexterLB> so, does xbmc work on arch?
[10:48] <fredefl> You could also build a submarine instead...
[10:48] <reider59> I'm hoping to some more work on Python programming for the Robotic Arm today. Maybe some multiple instructions instead of the single ones so far. Eventually it's going on a skutter with the RPi, Arduino, PSU and a cam to see where the Robotic Arm is via WiFi and VNC
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[10:48] <reider59> * + do
[10:48] <DexterLB> nuclear submarine o.O
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[10:48] <fredefl> HEEELLL YEAH!
[10:49] <DexterLB> might need a cluster of pis to monitor fission :D
[10:49] <fredefl> Cloud computing with pi's...
[10:50] <fredefl> Sounds very inefficient... :-D
[10:50] <reider59> Monty "Python" Flying Circuits
[10:50] <DexterLB> sounds very efficient to me
[10:50] <DexterLB> at least power-efficient
[10:50] <DexterLB> probably price-efficient too
[10:51] <fredefl> BRB
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[10:52] <DexterLB> my question was: does xbmc work with arch, or is it only ported to OpenELEC etc?
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[11:07] <Ionic`> let'ssee...
[11:07] <Ionic`> building portage on raspi
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[11:08] <Ionic`> at least if it manages to get the files
[11:09] <Ionic`> well ok, that... didn't compile
[11:09] <Ionic`> so unsatisfying
[11:11] <jra___> DexterLB, not really
[11:12] <jra___> there's other plaforms that perform way better in the price/performance and power/performance area
[11:12] * blkaway is now known as blkhawk
[11:12] <jra___> the pi beats most of them at price/unit though :)
[11:13] <Ionic`> *sigh* :(
[11:14] <Ionic`> so USB hdd + high IO load + usb wifi stick makes the wifi stick fail
[11:15] <tcial> Anyone heard of Phun?
[11:16] <tcial> Physics game
[11:20] <Ionic`> mah, driver crashed again
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[11:35] <fredefl> Back!
[11:35] <fredefl> :-D
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[11:38] <sunkan> I wonder, is it possible to get binaries for armel to run on the wheezy raspbian? Reason is that it would be nice to be able to run the citrix ICA client which I have only found in armel format..
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[11:47] <plugwash> sunkan, in theory it's possible to mix raspbian and armel wheezy using multiarch, however in practice there are a couple of problems
[11:48] <plugwash> firstly the hardfloat broadcom libs currently rely on a symlink that conflicts with multiarch
[11:48] <plugwash> secondly version skew may be a problem
[11:48] <plugwash> thirdly you would have to be REALLY careful to make sure your sources.list has appropriate architecture specifiers in it
[11:49] <plugwash> fourthly. these are just the problems that spring to mind from considering it without trying it, if it breaks you keep both peices ;)
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[11:50] <sunkan> plugwash: Ok, well I don't actually need a fully working multiarch system.. If dpkg is aware or not does not matter to me, just as long as I can get the citrix client to work somehow.
[11:51] <sunkan> It's not as easy as to use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to armel libraries (libc etc.)?
[11:51] <plugwash> probablly your best option would be to setup an armel chroot
[11:52] <sunkan> Yes, a chroot should of course work.. I'll give that a shot... May need to wait for a bigger SD card though..
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[12:16] <tcial> What does it mean, when you plug the rPi in, OK flashes a few times, then nothing appears on the screen, and no more lights flash?
[12:17] <Sm0ke0ut> low power input?
[12:17] <Tachyon`> or failure to boot?
[12:17] <Tachyon`> perahps the bootloader started but was unable to proceed for some reason?
[12:17] <Tachyon`> has it booted before?
[12:18] <Tachyon`> perhaps the number of flashes is an error code?
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[12:20] <tcial> I have booted it before
[12:20] <tcial> Is USB power from a laptop enough?
[12:20] <tcial> To run it
[12:20] <Tachyon`> err
[12:20] <Tachyon`> depends on the laptop
[12:20] <tcial> Macbook pro
[12:20] <Tachyon`> if it does what it should and negotiates the power
[12:20] <Tachyon`> then no
[12:20] <tcial> No?
[12:20] <Tachyon`> as teh pi won't tell it to switch to 500mA
[12:20] <Tachyon`> most don't do that
[12:21] <tcial> I'll get my USB PSU then
[12:21] <Tachyon`> maybe macs do
[12:22] <tcial> It's still doing it with the USB power that it worked on before :S
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[12:24] <Ionic`> so
[12:24] <Ionic`> raspberry pi is compiling \o/
[12:24] <Ionic`> let's see when gcc and its dependencies will be ready
[12:25] <MasterGeek> lol
[12:25] <tcial_> xD
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[12:28] <Sm0ke0ut> as I heard before it will take about 2 hours =)
[12:29] <tcial> I have a new problem
[12:29] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[12:29] <xarragon> I got my own t-shirt and pi yesterday, am I a real man now?
[12:29] <tcial> It now boots, but nothing appears on the display
[12:29] <[SkG]> if you still powering from usb
[12:29] <tcial> xarragon: Yup
[12:29] <[SkG]> can be the problem
[12:29] <tcial> I'm powering it from a proper USB hub
[12:29] <tcial> It's booting fine
[12:29] * xarragon strikes a manly pose and roars a little
[12:30] <[SkG]> then check that you dont have strange things at config.txt
[12:30] * tcial cowers in fear of xarragon's manlyness
[12:30] <tcial> [SkG]: I just DD'd it and booted it
[12:30] <tcial> I'm about to see if I can SSH into it
[12:30] <tcial> Oh wait -_-
[12:30] <tcial> SSH isn't enabled by default, is it?
[12:30] <[SkG]> you dont know the ip
[12:30] <[SkG]> ah
[12:30] <tcial> -_-
[12:30] <tcial> Hmm
[12:30] <tcial> What can I do?
[12:31] <[SkG]> If its reference raspbian
[12:31] <[SkG]> I think that it have ssh
[12:31] <tcial> It's just the latest rasbpian
[12:31] <[SkG]> not sure
[12:31] <xarragon> tcial: No you can enable it from the "first-time boot menu"
[12:31] <tcial> Well, my display isn't working
[12:31] <tcial> that's gonna be hard
[12:31] <[SkG]> tcial can you test the composite video output?
[12:31] <Tachyon`> try the other display output
[12:31] <tcial> SSH is enabled
[12:31] <Tachyon`> oh heh
[12:31] <tcial> I just portchecked it
[12:31] <xarragon> I only had sh*tty composite video output myself
[12:32] <tcial> HDMI :P
[12:32] <Tachyon`> you'll probably get much better output from composite if you disconnect the chroma
[12:32] <Tachyon`> that said, it'll be black and white
[12:32] <Tachyon`> but still a lot clearer
[12:32] <tcial> NOTICE: the software on this Raspberry Pi has not been fully configured. Please run 'sudo raspi-config'
[12:32] <xarragon> tcial: Ah, maybe it is on by default then and can be disabled from that menu I suppose.
[12:32] <tcial> Could that be why HDMI isn't working
[12:34] <xarragon> I had an earlier version of with the squeeze dist, and it definetly didn't have it enabled. But that install was incomplete, which was why I reinstalled to raspian anyway.
[12:34] <xarragon> (speaking of ssh still)
[12:34] <[SkG]> Tachyon` reference image of raspbian in that first-boot menu... allows the user not installing X and LXDE?
[12:34] <tcial> Ah
[12:34] <tcial> SSH is fine for me
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[12:34] <tcial> Can I tell if the RPI is using HDMI?
[12:35] <Ionic`> Sm0ke0ut: 2 hours for gcc alone? impossibru, even my amd64 C2Q 2.8GHz needs 30 minutes
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[12:35] <Ionic`> Sm0ke0ut: and that's only for gcc, nevermind the 10 other dependencies
[12:35] <tcial> I've edited the config.txt
[12:35] <tcial> Forced HDMI
[12:35] <Ionic`> but meh I don't care
[12:35] <Ionic`> sleepy time!
[12:36] <Ionic`> good night ladies, gentlemen and bots
[12:36] <Ionic`> (of which bots are my favorite flavor(
[12:36] <Ionic`> ))
[12:36] <tcial> PiBot isn't here -_-
[12:36] <xarragon> flavor() what function is that?
[12:36] <Ionic`> xarragon: dunno, but I hate mismatched parens :/
[12:36] <MasterGeek> have a good one
[12:36] <Ionic`> night o/
[12:36] <MasterGeek> \o
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[12:41] <MasterGeek> tcial sup with your hdmi ?
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[12:41] <tcial> MasterGeek: Not displaying anything
[12:41] <tcial> I can SSH into it
[12:42] <tcial> But no HDMI -_-
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[12:42] <MasterGeek> did you try just one line
[12:42] <MasterGeek> disable_overscan=1
[12:42] <tcial> -_-
[12:43] <MasterGeek> what modes your screen do ?
[12:43] <tcial> Nope, still nothing on display
[12:43] <tcial> and I don't know
[12:43] <tcial> It's a ~40" HDMI
[12:43] <MasterGeek> ok try this
[12:44] <tcial> okey
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[12:46] <MasterGeek> sdtv_mode=2
[12:46] <MasterGeek> sdtv_aspect=3
[12:46] <MasterGeek> hdmi_drive= 1
[12:46] <MasterGeek> hdmi_group=1
[12:46] <MasterGeek> hdmi_mode=19
[12:46] <tcial> Should I just add those to the end of the file?
[12:47] <MasterGeek> well take out anything thats screen related, leave anything else you got set
[12:47] <tcial> I haven't got anything set
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[12:47] <MasterGeek> ok then empty it and just add
[12:47] <MasterGeek> the 5 lines above
[12:48] <tcial> Okey
[12:48] <tcial> Just installing git, then I'll reboot it
[12:48] <MasterGeek> you can add arm_freq=800
[12:48] <MasterGeek> sdram_freq=400 too @ the top if ya wana over clock to 800 ram to 400
[12:49] <tcial> Is it dangerous?
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[12:50] <tcial> TV still isn't showing boot logo or anything
[12:50] <tcial> No text
[12:50] <MasterGeek> what screen is it
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[12:52] <MasterGeek> nah, 800 is ok, the xbmc img runs all day @ 800
[12:52] <MasterGeek> whats the make n modle of your screen ?
[12:52] <xarragon> Dont forget to add skull-emblazed fan grills, cold cathodes and window mods; the most important part of any overclock!
[12:52] * gordonDrogon waves.
[12:53] <MasterGeek> \o
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[12:54] <tcial> The TV is a panasonic
[12:54] <tcial> xD
[12:54] <MasterGeek> ok try mode 22
[12:54] <MasterGeek> hdmi_mode=22
[12:55] <tcial> So I just reboot it for this to take effect?
[12:55] <MasterGeek> y
[12:55] <tcial> Still have a blank screen -_-
[12:55] <MasterGeek> is the screen switchedon ?
[12:56] <MasterGeek> you can check out the ref @ >> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[12:57] <MasterGeek> but its handy to know what your screens able to do
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[13:00] <tcial> xD
[13:00] <tcial> i am using a different screen and it works
[13:00] <tcial> How do I change resolution on it?
[13:00] <tcial> >_<
[13:01] <MasterGeek> tell me the model number of the panasonic
[13:01] <tcial> It doesn't matter about the panasonic :P
[13:01] <sunkan> A question regarding SD cards, I remember that a few years back running journalling filesystems on those were not recommended. Has anything changed with regards to that or will a journalling fs cause premature failure of the SD card?
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[13:02] <MasterGeek> ok well dependent on which type of screen and model it is defines what setting to use to change the rez?
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[13:02] <gordonDrogon> sunkan, you're orying ove something that costs a fiver and has a >3 year lifespan. Find something bigger to wory over...
[13:03] <xarragon> Many SD cards have lifetime warranty, so just return it to the maker and ask them to honor their claims?
[13:03] <sunkan> gordonDrogon: It's more a point of losing work/need to backup stuff that would worry me. But most of all I just wonder if it's still a valid point or not? I know SSD drives have wearleveling algos but I suppose the SD card and/or the controller in the Pi does not?
[13:04] <sunkan> xarragon: True, so yes the money is not the critical thing for me.. Mostly I'm just curious..
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[13:05] <gordonDrogon> someone was here a few weeks back who'd done some tests on SD cards for another project ... the conclusion was the it would take severla months of 24/7 writing to a sector on the card before it failled.
[13:05] <xarragon> I agree on your points though. JFFS2 or whatever its name is ought to e a better choice, my ARM9 lab card uses that for it's internal flash nand.
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[13:05] <gordonDrogon> so the reality is that we're highly unlikely to see a failure over the lifetime of the Pi ... well, a few years anyway.
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[13:06] <xarragon> Using a more common filesystem does make it easier to mount the SD on standard desktop computers though.
[13:07] <MasterGeek> theres the list in private chat
[13:07] <sunkan> I guess it should have been warned about if it was a frequent cause of failure..
[13:07] <sunkan> I'm wondering a bit due to my N900 phone as well, it has internal NAND that I assume will be put to the same test..
[13:08] <Dagger2> SD cards have built-in wear leveling
[13:08] <sunkan> Not possible to change though..
[13:08] <sunkan> Dagger2: Aha, is that noted on the web somewhere? I have not seen it (not searched for it either though)
[13:09] <Dagger2> also, if you're not baking your stuff up anyway, then it's clearly stuff you're happy to lose
[13:09] <Dagger2> er. backing. public service announcement: do not eat your SD cards.
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> they can only wear-level once.
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> but its better than nothing.
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[13:12] <tcial> What would be the life expectancy of a sandisk in the rPi?
[13:13] <mal|lappy> I would think that would depend greatly on what you are using it for
[13:13] <mal|lappy> And how often/much you are writing
[13:13] <Tachyon`> they're good for millions of read/write cycles
[13:13] <Tachyon`> and wear level
[13:13] <Tachyon`> don't put swap on it and it'll outlast the pi
[13:14] <Tachyon`> I think even with swap on it it'd probably last years
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> a bit of swap is going to be fine.
[13:14] <mal|lappy> If it really worries you, make your FS read only, and use the network for saving things
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> and if you use a swapfile, then if it does develop an error, jsut rename it and create another.
[13:14] * Tachyon` blinks
[13:14] <Tachyon`> I'm not even going to comment on that
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> it would work though.
[13:15] <Tachyon`> well, briefly
[13:15] <tcial> Before *nix explodes
[13:15] <Tachyon`> but given the way they wear level
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> until the next swapfile developed an error, then rename that and create another ..
[13:15] <Tachyon`> if you get a read error, that's time to replace the card
[13:15] <Tachyon`> as the rest isn't far behind
[13:15] <Dagger2> sunkan: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/27619 ... ok, I guess the more in-depth answer is "it's complicated"
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[13:17] <Tachyon`> oh, had no idea
[13:18] <Tachyon`> thought they all did wear leveling
[13:18] <Tachyon`> another reason to avoid dodgy chinese cards I guess
[13:19] <Dagger2> realistically I expect they do, but the exact algorithm will differ
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[13:19] <gordonDrogon> the card itself can only wear-level a given block once - once it's been written to by the host, then it doesn't know if it's really in-use or has been deleted by the host. That's what the TRIM thing of SSDs is for.
[13:19] <Dagger2> in the worst case the algorithm might be "try to write the data. if the block is bad, remap it somewhere else"
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> Dagger2, I think it needs a read afte the write to do that, but that's possible - assuming that device "knows" that it has blocks that have never been written to.
[13:20] <Dagger2> (if you read http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 it points out towards the end that it's cheaper to include a microprocessor to do that remapping than it is to test your flash chips ahead of time, so you can expect all cards to do that)
[13:20] <sunkan> I'll be getting a sandisk SD card later today, so I will just assume that it has some sort of algo for this then..
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmc... and every block gets written, so no wear leveling possible..
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> at least not be the device.
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[13:21] <sunkan> gordonDrogon: If they don't have extra blocks like SSDs do..
[13:22] <plugwash> in general on flash devices the number of raw flash blocks is larger than the number of logical blocks
[13:22] <plugwash> so the drive can still wear level and remap failures even if every logical block is in use
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> I still think it's not actually worth being overly concerned about. We end up "fixing" something that's already a > 99% solution.
[13:22] <Tachyon`> aye, you'd expect the size to be a power of 2 and it isn't
[13:23] <Tachyon`> so some is being reserved
[13:23] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: the bit of the puzzle yo're missing is that there are spare blocks.
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[13:24] <SpeedEvil> Oh. I should finish reading to the end.
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[13:24] <Tachyon`> this 16GB kingston contains 15,130,624 blocks for example where you'd expect 16,777,216
[13:24] <Tachyon`> so about 10% of it has gone for other purposes
[13:25] <SpeedEvil> Dagger2: All high density flash memory chips are specified not as to their initial capacity, but as to their capacity after 100000 (or whatever) writes per block, when following a specified ECC protocol.
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[13:26] <SpeedEvil> It is expected that a given number of blocks will be faulty from the outset, and that faults will develop over time. SD cards and SSDs make this appear to be an error-free block device of a constant capacity.
[13:26] <Pe3k> hi, what does overscan mean in intro of raspbian?
[13:28] <plugwash> it's confusing because "overscan" in the config files really means "overscan compensation"
[13:29] <Tachyon`> and the root cause is HD TV designers who need shooting for emulating a flaw in earlier technology -.-
[13:29] <sunkan> Sounds like I can worry even less then.. If there actually is some wear leveling being done. I'm quite sure it was not done on early CF disks, even if it's probably being done on never CF disks as well now.
[13:30] <plugwash> on a tube TV the edges are often neither perfectly straight nor perfectly the same between units so TVs were designed to scan an area larger than the area of the screen and TV signals were/are produced with a border area in which there was nothing important
[13:31] <plugwash> (tube monitors by contrast were expected to have a black border round the rectangular image)
[13:32] <plugwash> on a flatpanel this is a nonissue but TV vendors still seem to think it's a good idea to emulate overscan and clip off some of this "border area" which is fine until you try and feed them from a computer and get the edges of your picture cut off
[13:33] <plugwash> So the Pi by default is set-up with relatively wide overscan compensation borders to ensure that whatever TV it's plugged into the edges of the display (and hence things like prompts and menu bars) end up visible
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[13:37] <Dagger2> plugwash: which is kinda silly for the OS image they distribute, because the first thing that does when you first boot it is launch a configuration utility for, among other things, overscan
[13:38] <Dagger2> which displays in the middle of the screen and doesn't have anything at the edges to chop off, so they could entirely reasonably disable overscan compensation in that image
[13:38] <plugwash> I think the general throught is it's better to have the default as "ugly but usable" than as "may well be broken for some users"
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[13:39] <plugwash> remember most users won't know what overscan is so they won't touch that setting, will tell the configuration utility they are done and will end up at the command prompt
[13:39] <plugwash> and the last thing you want happening to a user who is new to the command line is their prompt dissapearing off the bottom of the screen after a few commands
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[13:41] <Dagger2> so instead the people with a clue are stuck repeatedly dealing with workarounds added for idiots until the end of time
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[13:49] <nevyn> so what's really frustrating about it because of overscan you can't be sure of pixel positions and can't do neat things like sub pixel rendering
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[13:50] <plugwash> well even without overscan you can't be sure of that
[13:50] <plugwash> because lack of overscan doesn't nessacerally imply 1:1 pixel mapping
[13:52] <nevyn> right
[13:52] <nevyn> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/8705.html
[13:53] <plugwash> not all of them are awful, just many of them
[13:53] <plugwash> the problem is sourcing the ones that aren't awful and configuring them to be in a non-awful mode
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[13:54] <plugwash> another option (and the one I took for the last few purchases I was involved with) was to buy devices that were explicitly sold as "monitor TVs"
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[15:00] <Qtr> Do you need to voltage or current regulate the popwer supply?
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[15:02] <stefanBA> Qtr, you mean the power input to RasPi ?
[15:02] <Qtr> y
[15:02] <stefanBA> voltage reghulated 5V
[15:02] <stefanBA> ups, "regulated"
[15:03] <Qtr> So I serial connect a voltage regulator? And there are voltage regulator that fit adapters obv?
[15:03] <Qtr> Does one come with the raspberry?
[15:03] <stefanBA> I got my Raspi without everything from Farnell
[15:04] <stefanBA> just the board, no SD card, no power supply, no keyboard, no screen
[15:04] <Qtr> So whats the price of a "complete" set? (yeah i know complete differs from person to person)
[15:04] <Maior> Qtr: I did what stefanBA did, and just Amazon-ed a PSU yesterday or so
[15:05] <stefanBA> the easiest power supply is one of those standard USB power supplies and a USB-A to micro-USB cable
[15:05] <Maior> ('cause I suspect Power Woes explain the problem I have)
[15:05] * stefanBA uses a powers USB hub as a power supply right now
[15:05] <stefanBA> powered USB hub, I mean
[15:06] <JeffWBrooktree> Original LG & iPhone Power supply works fine. Output == 1 Ampere
[15:06] <Maior> stefanBA: I'm running off a USB port in my server... I realise this is suboptimal
[15:06] <dwatkins> strange, the network wouldn't come up until I started it manually on the new Debian image
[15:07] <stefanBA> Maior, yes, the traditional USB spec defines max. 500mA output current, the RasPi needs 700mA peak
[15:07] <JeffWBrooktree> Computers and most active powered USB hubs have ~550 mA. The Pi needs twice as much
[15:08] <dwatkins> I'm surprised the USB port on my TV delivers enough current to run the Pi.
[15:08] <ReggieUK> it's the voltage thats most important
[15:08] <plugwash> more specifically it's the ability to maintain voltage under load
[15:08] <ReggieUK> using a charger won't garuantee that the voltage will stay within tolerance levels (4.75-5.25v) for the pi chip
[15:08] <plugwash> most USB ports will give you 1A but the voltage may well be way out of spec at that point
[15:09] <ReggieUK> at the higher loads as plugwash is saying
[15:09] <ReggieUK> you also need to be careful with using usb hubs
[15:09] <ReggieUK> they may or may not have their own polyfuses
[15:10] <plugwash> and due to volt drops in the polyswitches to provide a decent voltage on the downstream USB ports you really want 5V or more at the input
[15:10] <ReggieUK> they may or may not provide any isolation between supplies
[15:10] <ReggieUK> I was about to get to that plugwash :D
[15:10] <dwatkins> I'd like to build a USB cable with a built-in voltmeter and ammeter, just to see how it varies.
[15:11] <ReggieUK> and of course the psu itself could be poor quality (more likely with a cheap hub)
[15:11] <phire> the problem is that usb charges are speced to provide x amount of ampage
[15:11] <phire> when you go over that, the voltage drops
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[15:11] <plugwash> phire, the problem is that USB chargers are labelled to provide x ammount of current but with many of them the voltage has dropped quite a bit by that point
[15:11] <phire> your tv's power supply is speced to provde x amound of ampage on the 5v power rail
[15:12] <phire> the tv then uses some of that ampage
[15:12] <GriffenJBS> phire: many don't even meet those specs, they are below 4.75V at max amps
[15:12] <phire> and your pi uses what ever is left over
[15:12] <ReggieUK> you also need to be aware that not all micro usb cables are equal
[15:12] <ReggieUK> and bring their own set of issues to the party
[15:13] <phire> and tvs having much larger power supply are useally speced at higher ampage
[15:14] <phire> Also, if your tv has two usb ports, then it must have at least 1amp of power free to split between them
[15:14] <GriffenJBS> phire: why do you think that?
[15:14] <GriffenJBS> the pi has two ports and limited to 280mA
[15:15] <phire> the pi has a serrious power spec problem, TVs don't
[15:15] <GriffenJBS> your assuming, I'm finding lots of devices are out of spec
[15:16] <phire> and when it comes to supplying power, a lot of those devices are out of spec in the postive direction
[15:16] <stefanBA> When I read the USB standard a few years ago, it said a USB host has to provide at least 100mA per output port. If a device needs more than those 100mA it has to ask first...
[15:16] <phire> assuming it isn't a wall charger
[15:16] <GriffenJBS> I've found lots of PC USB ports over 5.25V, and lots of devices can't provide 500mA
[15:16] <GriffenJBS> I'm finding they are out in the negative direction
[15:17] <plugwash> stefanBA, that is true, however there is no requirement for the host to enforce that devices only draw what they have asked for
[15:17] <lupinedk> uhm tested my voltage at 4,5 VDC at TP1-TP2, but system seems stable
[15:17] <GriffenJBS> stefanBA: true, but I'm saying ask away, it's not there to be had, so the device *can't* be bus powered
[15:17] <stefanBA> sure, but if a device does, the device is out of spec
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[15:18] <GriffenJBS> I wonder if the pi reports 100mA avail, or more?
[15:18] <phire> devices are ment to not draw the full 500ma until the host has agreed to the request
[15:19] <GriffenJBS> phire: correct, and lots of devices ignore that, like the pi
[15:19] <phire> yeah
[15:19] <plugwash> last I checked the Pi was reporting a full 500ma available...
[15:19] <plugwash> even though it isn't really available
[15:19] <phire> it really shouldn't
[15:19] <phire> as it actually has a polyfuse
[15:19] <GriffenJBS> plugwash: I'd assume because the usb drivers are custom for the pi
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[15:20] <GriffenJBS> I wonder how the software drivers detect what the port can supply (host side)
[15:20] <plugwash> nah the usb hub with ethernet driver has been arround in linux for a while
[15:20] <GriffenJBS> sorry, the drivers are *not* custom for the pi
[15:20] <plugwash> one problem is that there are devices that report needing 500ma even though they don't actually need it, so if you set things up to be honest you can end up with devices not working that would work if you were dishonest
[15:21] <GriffenJBS> plugwash: so you break spec, because they did it first? That doesn't work as an excuse in grade school, why let poor products get a pass?
[15:22] <plugwash> afaict hardly anyone actually respects the USB spec
[15:22] <GriffenJBS> sadly I agree
[15:22] <plugwash> will be interesting to see what happens with the new USB power delivery spec
[15:23] <DexterLB> I installed raspbmc, and when trying to play a video the screen keeps flickering, as if it's restarting the HDMI or something
[15:23] <plugwash> if people screw up implementing usb power delivery things could get a lot more interesting than when they screw up implementing plain old USB
[15:23] <DexterLB> has anyone experienced this?
[15:23] <phire> well, what happened with the old usb power deleivery spec?
[15:23] <phire> I think I've seen one port in real life
[15:24] <phire> confusing too, because at first glance it looks like a double usb port
[15:24] <plugwash> you mean plus power?
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[15:24] <phire> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powered_USB
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[15:25] <plugwash> afaict "USB plus power" is used quite heavilly in retail equipment but not really anywhere else
[15:25] <phire> actually, the port I saw was probally a propetary port
[15:26] <phire> it was on a laptop that didn't have a optical drive
[15:26] <plugwash> usb power delivery is a whole new spec with a load of new potential for screwups
[15:27] <MasterGeek> if you have an old, BT Vision, virgin media set top box, laying around, they have nice power supply you can rip out 3.3v, 5v, 7v, 12v, all @ 5a
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[15:27] <plugwash> the basic idea of USB power delivery is if you connect a USB power delivery enabled host or charger to a USB power delivery enabled device with a USB power delivery cable they can negotiate to increase the voltage and current
[15:27] <plugwash> up to 20V 5A!
[15:28] <phire> so they have some way of detecting the cable?
[15:28] <plugwash> yeah the device at the A end detects the cable from characteristics of the plug for standard A it's a longer metal shell that touches a contact deep in the plug, for micro A it's an ID resistor
[15:29] <plugwash> *deep in the socket
[15:30] <phire> you are going to want to be careful buying cheap versions of those cables
[15:30] <plugwash> mmm
[15:30] <phire> 5amps of power
[15:30] <stefanBA> 100 watts of power
[15:31] <plugwash> enough to run a laptop off....
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[15:31] <phire> yeah, 20v at 5amps
[15:31] <stefanBA> I can imagine some _cheap_ devices accidentally asking for 20V 5A and then not being able to deal with it...
[15:32] <phire> in theory they could use switching voltage converters at both and push the voltage to higher voltages while still keeping the amps low
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[15:33] <phire> its the amps which need thicker cables
[15:34] <plugwash> mmm, 20V is already pretty high for a computer cable though
[15:35] <plugwash> my personal guess is we will only see the 20V mode on dedicated power adaptors
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> most laptops run at 19v for some odd reason.
[15:35] <stefanBA> yeah, I wounder where those 20V should be coming from, a normal ATX power supply just provides 12V relative to ground
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> with efficient DC-DC convertors it makes sense to run a higher voltage.
[15:35] <plugwash> It's pretty obvious to me that the 20V mode is intended for hooking up a dedicated power adaptor to charge a laptop
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> I^R power loss.
[15:36] <RaYmAn> my asus transformer charger already has 15v@1.2A available over usb cable (on request)
[15:36] <stefanBA> gordonDrogon, I^2 * R
[15:36] <plugwash> while the 5V and 12V modes are more likely to be used for powering perhipherals
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> me goofs.
[15:36] <stefanBA> ;-)
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> but you knew what I meant :)
[15:37] <stefanBA> yes, I have to admit, I did :-)
[15:37] <phire> I beleive that 19v has something to do with CCFL blacklight
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> A project I worked on some 20 years ago looked at using a common 48V supply for all the boards, but in the end the board space required for the DC/DC convertors was too much.
[15:38] <plugwash> phire, i'm pretty sure that laptop power supplies are arround 20V for battery charging reasons
[15:38] <plugwash> 19-20V is about right to power a charger for a 4-cell lithium ion pack
[15:39] <phire> which would make more sence, because the CCFLs use an inverter
[15:39] <stefanBA> gordonDrogon, I did something like that in a project, to kee the cables thin: https://wiki.blinkenarea.org/index.php/ColorCurtainEnglish
[15:39] <phire> 400ish volts I think
[15:39] <phire> I always though laptop battries came in multiples of 3
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> stefanBA, looks good, but you need a proper certificate :)
[15:40] <stefanBA> gordonDrogon, certificate of what?
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> stefanBA, did you see the "pixels" in the olympic opening ceremony?
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> stefanBA, ssl certificate.
[15:41] <stefanBA> no, I did not watch olympics opening
[15:41] <stefanBA> gordonDrogon, you need a browser including CaCert root CA ;-)
[15:41] <phire> 10.8v dc
[15:41] <phire> thats 3 cells
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> stefanBA, Hm. Maybe I do, but firefox 14 doesn't appear to have it ...
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> phire: 4 is common too.
[15:42] <phire> my eeepc is 7.4v, which is 2 cells
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[15:42] <MasterGeek> wut i want to know is how come the commentator started every sentence in French first and English second, i watched it for about 3 mins
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[15:44] <stefanBA> gordonDrogon, I do not think there is browser that comes with it out of the box - maybe I should really pay for a real certificate one day...
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[15:44] <plugwash> iirc startssl give away widely recognised certs for free as long as you only want one domain on the cert
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> stefanBA, chrome seems to be ok with it. I'm reading this now: http://wiki.cacert.org/InclusionStatus
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> MasterGeek, French is the "official" language of the Olympics for some bizarre reason.
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[15:47] <gordonDrogon> stefanBA, anyway - every seat in the stadium had a 3x3 RGB LED "pixel" which could all be controlled individually to produce graphics, text, etc. when viewed from the other side. it was very effective.
[15:48] <phire> why.....
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[15:48] <stefanBA> gordonDrogon, cool, I have to find this on youtube
[15:49] <phire> why have broadcom patented a compiler for shaders
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[15:50] <phire> filed Aug. 25, 2010
[15:50] <phire> there is like zero chance this will hold up in court
[15:52] <plugwash> same reason everyone files such patents, proving a patent is invalid is expensive
[15:52] <sunkan> plugwash: Got the citrix client working with a armel chroot - thanks for the idea!
[15:52] <plugwash> so it's often cheaper just to settle
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[15:52] <Maior> it is faster and easier to just give someone money
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[15:53] <Maior> rather than go through expense and time (and expense) of having their fail formalised
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[15:57] <aaa801> boo
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[15:59] <phire> on the plus side, it does give us a basic overview of what the compiler looks like
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[16:04] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, did you sell those Pi's in the end?
[16:05] <Pe3k> hello, I installed the newest raspbian and ssh port forwarding keeps freezing after a while without any error (highest verbosity -vvv), pls, any other clue what could fix it?
[16:05] <aaa801> ye got ?60
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[16:08] <Pe3k> only to be clear ...it is not rpi what freezes, but only ssh port forwarding
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[16:09] <stefanBA> Pe3k, I do not understand completely, what does "freeze" mean exactly? What port are you forwardning?
[16:11] <phire> Pe3k, so a network issue?
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[16:13] <Pe3k> stefanBA : port 22
[16:14] <stefanBA> Pe3k, oh, I thought you are using SSH to forward a port...
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[16:14] <DexterLB> so, we have video acceleration only for omxplayer and xbmc, right?
[16:14] <stefanBA> Pe3k, but you forward the SSH port through your DSL router...
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[16:14] <rabbidrabbit> Pe3k: Are you just using ssh in the local network?
[16:15] <Pe3k> stefanBA : on rpi: ssh -vvv -R 3333:localhost:22 remotelogin@remoteserver
[16:15] <Pe3k> stefanBA : on remote server: ssh -p 3333 localhost
[16:16] <Pe3k> stefanBA : so in this way a make my rpi accessible from everywhere
[16:16] <stefanBA> okay, now I got it
[16:16] <Pe3k> stefanBA : even if I do not have connection with public IP address
[16:17] <stefanBA> if this freezing happens, the connection from the server to the pi stalls, right?
[16:17] <stefanBA> what about the connection from the pi to the server, does this still work?
[16:18] <stefanBA> i.e. can you still do an "ls" on your server from the pi?
[16:18] <Pe3k> you mean status from netstat?
[16:18] <stefanBA> no, I'm talking about the "ssh -vvv -R 3333:localhost:22 remotelogin@remoteserver" command
[16:18] <stefanBA> this gives you a shell on the server, right?
[16:19] <Pe3k> yes
[16:19] <stefanBA> does this remote shell also freeze?
[16:19] <Pe3k> I will find out ..
[16:20] <stefanBA> and another question? what is the time after which the freezing happens?
[16:20] <Pe3k> ...but usually I do not use this shell ..
[16:20] <Pe3k> approx.30minutes
[16:20] <stefanBA> Pe3k, it's just a test to help debugging hwat might be happening
[16:21] <Pe3k> ok, ...but I'll tell you in a while ...it is in the middle of freezing :)
[16:21] <stefanBA> have you checked if your IP address at home changes?
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[16:22] <Nindustries> Hi
[16:22] <Pe3k> I dont believe ...why it would change?
[16:23] <stefanBA> I can configure my DSL router to hang up if there is no traffic on the DSL line. It automatically reconnects when I open the browser again - but then I might have gotten a nother IP from my provider...
[16:23] <stefanBA> just a thought..
[16:23] <Nindustries> I want to use my RPi with OpenELEC. I don't have a UTP cable next to my TV. Is it preferred to use a Wifi-dongle or connect a cable for streaming movies from network storage?
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[16:24] <stefanBA> NimeshNeema, from my experice, I can tell you that a cable is more stable
[16:24] <plugwash> wireless on the Pi seems to be a source of a LOT of pain
[16:24] <stefanBA> ups, wrong nick
[16:24] <Nindustries> Oh
[16:24] <Nindustries> darn
[16:24] <Nindustries> mmh
[16:24] <plugwash> between power problems and the low quality USB host driver
[16:24] <Nindustries> And I also need an UTP cable for my Digibox :(
[16:25] <stefanBA> Nindustries, just try if wireless works if a cable is complicated
[16:25] <lupinedk> just ordered two Nokia AC-10 adapters to get my power up
[16:25] <Nindustries> Could I use a bridge for my PC, RPi and Digibox?
[16:25] <lupinedk> running at 4.5v atm ;)
[16:26] <plugwash> a wireless bridge should work fine yes
[16:27] <Nindustries> wireless bridge? Oh I mean, I currently have an UTP cable to my computer. So I could connect a bridge there?
[16:27] <stefanBA> Nindustries, you mean an ethernet switch?
[16:28] <plugwash> Nindustries, sure
[16:28] <Nindustries> Exactly stefanBA
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[16:28] <plugwash> (may be a regional terminology thing, while ethernet switches are technically bridges i've never heard them called by that name)
[16:29] <plugwash> except in the context of IEEE standards
[16:29] <stefanBA> sorry, my English is not regional
[16:29] <stefanBA> I'm not a native speaker
[16:29] <Nindustries> Me neither :)
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[16:30] <Nindustries> Too bad I can't hide my UTP cables anymore :( Didn't calculate an additional need for UTP cables
[16:31] <ZenoArrow> Hi. Trying to login to Raspberry Pi via SSH using a crossover Ethernet cable. I've set a static IP to get around the lack of DHCP, but when I try to login using PuTTY the connection is not made. The SSHD on the Raspberry Pi appears to be started, and it's setting the IP address I specified, so unsure about what I need to do to get this working. I'm using Raspbian if it makes a difference.
[16:34] <stefanBA> ZenoArrow, please run "netstat -ant | grep :22" and "ip addr list dev eth0" on the ReasPi and tell us the output
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[16:37] <ZenoArrow> stefanBA, okay will do. Here's the output of the netstat command (left hand character is cut off due to TV, but believe it is a 't): tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
[16:38] <stefanBA> looks good
[16:38] <stefanBA> the output means: port 22 is open and waiting for connections to come in
[16:39] <ZenoArrow> Output of the eth0 command is as follows (again, left hand side of text missing, have used ... to show where I can't see the text):
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[16:41] <ZenoArrow> ... : eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> ntu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP qlen...1000 link/ether b8:27:eb:37:01:fb brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff inet 192.177.1.50/24 brd 192.177.1.255 scope global eth0
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[16:42] <stefanBA> okay, this is a correct IP address, but quite unusal
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[16:42] <ZenoArrow> Looking at the output, is the issue anything to do with the /24 at the end of the inet address?
[16:42] <stefanBA> what is the IP adress of your PC?
[16:42] <Dagger2> uh... yeah, you don't own 192.177.1.0/24
[16:42] <Dagger2> there's three giant ranges for private addressing, use something from one of those :/
[16:43] <stefanBA> the /24 means that the first 24 bits are the IP network and the remaining 8 bit are the host on the network
[16:43] <ZenoArrow> stefanBA, the IP address of my PC depends on the connection used, I take it that you mean the Ethernet IP address rather than the wireless IP address?
[16:43] <stefanBA> in this case, the first 3 numbers have to be the same for the pc and the raspi
[16:43] <stefanBA> ZenoArrow, the IP address of the connection you want to use for talking to the raspi
[16:44] <ZenoArrow> Oh okay, so I need to set a static address on the Ethernet device on this Windows PC also?
[16:44] <stefanBA> no
[16:44] <stefanBA> you just have to make sure that the first 3 numbers are the same
[16:44] <stefanBA> and the Pi uses a last number which the PC never uses
[16:45] <stefanBA> (plus some minor other details, we can skip for now)
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[16:45] <stefanBA> usually home LANs use 192.168.0.xxx or 192.168.1.xxx
[16:45] <Dagger2> he mentioned crossover cable, so it's quite likely the PC side has no IP configured currently
[16:45] <ZenoArrow> The issue is this, I'm likely to be using a number of different PCs to log into the Pi.
[16:45] <stefanBA> Dagger2, oh yeah, you are right
[16:45] <ZenoArrow> Also, like Dagger2 says, I'm using a crossover cable.
[16:46] <Dagger2> (or, if it's Windows, for it to have picked an IP from 169.254.0.0/16)
[16:46] <Nindustries> What do you guys think about DarkELEC?
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[16:46] <stefanBA> so for the crossover case, I'd recommend to configure a static 192.168.0.2 for the PC and the 192.168.0.3 for the RasPi
[16:46] <ZenoArrow> I'll try setting a static IP address on the Windows PC ethernet device and see if that fixes it.
[16:47] <ZenoArrow> stefanBA, I can't use 192.168.x.x addresses as that's what the wireless network is using.
[16:47] <stefanBA> really?
[16:47] <ZenoArrow> Yes.
[16:47] <Dagger2> use 172.16.0.0/24 then
[16:47] <stefanBA> you wrieless is that big?
[16:48] <ZenoArrow> stefanBA, if I use the same IP address range, how does the PC know which network connection it should be using?
[16:48] <stefanBA> that's right, you should not use the same IP range
[16:48] <Dagger2> ZenoArrow: it doesn't. avoid network range clashes
[16:49] <ZenoArrow> Dagger2, what's wrong with 192.17.1.x addresses?
[16:49] <ZenoArrow> Dagger2, precisely!
[16:49] <Dagger2> ZenoArrow: but is your wireless really 192.168.0.0/16? because it would normally be e.g. 192.168.0.0/24, in which case you could use 192.168.42.0/24 or whatever
[16:50] <Dagger2> ZenoArrow: nothing wrong with them, but 192.17.1.x is owned by the University of Illinois, so avoid that
[16:51] <ZenoArrow> The decision on which IP address range to pick is arbitrary, so long as the ranges don't clash it doesn't matter. Thanks for the tip about the University of Illinois, is that the internal IP for their network or the external IP?
[16:53] <Dagger2> it's a block of IPs allocated to them. I don't know how they're actually using it
[16:53] <stefanBA> LANs not connected to the internet should use 10.x.x.x or 172.16-31.x.x or 192.168.x.x, all other IP addresses are used somewhere in the internet
[16:54] <stefanBA> so it's better to use one of those blocks for crossover connections
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[16:54] <ZenoArrow> That's an interesting fact, where did you find that out?
[16:54] <stefanBA> e.g. it is fine to use 192.168.0.x for wireless any 192.168.42.x for crossover as Dagger2 said
[16:54] <stefanBA> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network#Private_IPv4_address_spaces
[16:55] <ZenoArrow> Cool, thanks.
[16:55] <Dagger2> those ranges are defined in RFC 1918... although ok, Wikipedia has a more concise summary
[16:56] <Simon-> or use ipv6 :)
[16:57] <Dagger2> yeah, ipv6 is a much better choice here... just use the link-local addresses and be done with it
[16:57] <Dagger2> I suspect he may be on Squeeze though (i.e. with no ipv6 modules)
[16:57] <ZenoArrow> I'm editing my /etc/network/interfaces file now, going to use address 192.168.2.100, with subnet 255.255.255.0. Do I need to set a gateway IP or can I leave this out?
[16:58] <stefanBA> no gateway
[16:58] <th3g33k> gateway can left out IF your traffic is confined in one subnet
[16:58] <stefanBA> gateway would be the connection to another network/the internet - you do not have this on a crossover cable
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[16:59] <ZenoArrow> Okay cool.
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[17:00] <th3g33k> i'm so envious that you guys are already tinkering with your Pi, i still don't have mine :(
[17:00] <ZenoArrow> Tempted by using IPv6 now, if it's easier. Output of cat /etc/*release indicates this Raspbian build is using wheezy, so should have it.
[17:01] <th3g33k> you could do both ipv4 and 6
[17:01] <stefanBA> ZenoArrow, try one first and then the other - so you lean two things
[17:01] <stefanBA> learn
[17:01] <ZenoArrow> So if I restore the default /etc/network/interfaces file, what changes do I need to make to use the link-local-addresses option?
[17:01] <Maior> th3g33k: sad times, got an arrival date?
[17:01] <Maior> stefanBA: er, what?
[17:02] <Maior> stefanBA: (re "you don't have this")
[17:02] <th3g33k> well they say end aug-1st week sept
[17:02] <ZenoArrow> stefanBA, I appreciate what you're saying, but I've done plenty of tinkering with Linux in my time, I'm just looking for the optimal solution for my needs.
[17:02] <th3g33k> Zen what are you going to use it for?
[17:03] <th3g33k> looking at using it as a honeypot
[17:03] <stefanBA> Maior, what's wrong with "if you connect your RasPi to your PC via an crossother cable, you do not have a gateway on this network"?
[17:04] <Maior> stefanBA: why would you not have a gateway?
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[17:04] <Maior> stefanBA: (having done exactly the same thing 'til I got my WiFi sorted)
[17:04] <Dagger2> ZenoArrow: does `ifconfig | grep inet6` list anything?
[17:04] <stefanBA> Maior, why would you? I'd assume that neither the PC nor the RasPi are routing
[17:04] <Maior> stefanBA: ah, I have a conflicting assumption
[17:05] <ZenoArrow> th3geek, I've got a couple of things I want to use it for straight away, one of which is to play around with making a MIDI-based synth, the other is to use it as a development platform for Qt 5. What do you plan on using yours for?
[17:05] <Maior> stefanBA: and your "you do not have this on a crossover cable" doesn't indicate that assumption
[17:05] <Maior> but, ok, given that assumption, no gateway, sure
[17:05] <ZenoArrow> Dagger2, I'll take a look...
[17:05] <stefanBA> Maior, there were some lines before this line - and some guesses between those lines ;-)
[17:05] <Maior> stefanBA: fair
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[17:07] <ZenoArrow> Dagger2, no output from ifconfig | grep inet6, which is surprising.
[17:08] <Dagger2> does `modprobe ipv6` change that?
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[17:08] <Nindustries> Would a Logitech logitech harmony 1100 remote work with OpenELEC?
[17:09] <ZenoArrow> Dagger2, yes it does. Now have two lines of output, both starting inet6 addr:
[17:09] <ZenoArrow> One has an IPv6 address, followed by /64 Scope:Link
[17:09] <Dagger2> ZenoArrow: I guess one is ::1, and the other is fe80::something
[17:10] <Dagger2> try `ping fe80::something` from your Windows machine and see if you get a response
[17:10] <ZenoArrow> The other line has ::1/128 Scope:Host
[17:10] <ZenoArrow> I take it the second is the equivalent of localhost?
[17:10] <Dagger2> yup
[17:10] <ZenoArrow> Okay, I'll try to ping the fe80 address.
[17:10] <stefanBA> Dagger2, isn't that "ping -6 fe80::something" ?
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[17:11] <Dagger2> it works fine without -6 on Windows
[17:12] <Dagger2> on Linux you have to use ping6 instead of ping, which is just a pain :(
[17:12] <stefanBA> Dagger2, cool :-)
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[17:13] <ZenoArrow> Have pinged the IPv6 address, all responses sub 1ms.
[17:14] <ZenoArrow> So the connection works. What's next? :-)
[17:14] <ZenoArrow> Thinking about it, will I nee d to alter boot so that I don't need to run modprobe ipv6 before I can SSH into the Pi?
[17:15] <Dagger2> stick that into putty, I think it should just work directly
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[17:17] <Dagger2> (there is normally an additional complication with link-local addresses, in that you have to specify which link they're on, by appending %eth0 on Linux or %0 on Windows -- but you didn't have to do that for the ping to work, so it looks like that's optional on Vista and above, and I'm guessing it'll be optional for putty too)
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[17:17] <ZenoArrow> "Network error: Connection refused"
[17:18] <Dagger2> yeah, you'll need to do that. kinda strange it's not loaded at boot; it is on my RPi
[17:18] <Dagger2> ah. try `invoke-rc.d ssh restart` on the Pi
[17:19] <ZenoArrow> What file should I alter to add the modprobe ipv6 to boot?
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[17:20] <ZenoArrow> Have successfully restarted the SSH daemon, trying PuTTY again...
[17:22] <stefanBA> ZenoArrow, you can add a line "ipv6" to "/etc/modules"...
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[17:23] <ZenoArrow> AWESOME!! Logging into PuTTY works, thank you Dagger2 (and you too stefanBA)!
[17:24] <Dagger2> \o/
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[17:25] <dirty_d> any of you ever used a Cortex-M$F microcontroller? seems pretty beefy
[17:25] <dirty_d> Cortex-M4F*
[17:25] <ZenoArrow> I've just added ipv6 to /etc/modules and rebooted the Pi. Will try to login again. Am I right to assume that all IPv6 addresses are assigned statically (due to the much larger address space)? In other words, will this Pi always have the same IPv6 address?
[17:26] <stefanBA> yes, it will
[17:26] <ZenoArrow> Cool, thanks stefanBA. :-)
[17:26] <Dagger2> ZenoArrow: not quite, but the link-local address is calculated from the MAC address
[17:26] <Dagger2> so it'll be the same unless you change the network card
[17:27] <Dagger2> (which, given that it's soldered on, probably won't happen)
[17:27] <ZenoArrow> dirty_d, if I remember correctly the Cortex-M4 range is the Cortex-M3 and the Cortex-M0 in a single package, is that right?
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[17:27] <ZenoArrow> Ah, thanks for the clarification Dagger2. :-)
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[17:29] <ZenoArrow> SSH working after a reboot, so all good. Thank you again for all that helped!
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[17:33] <dirty_d> ZenoArrow, no im pretty sure the M4F is am M4 with an fpu
[17:33] <dirty_d> there is a M4/0 though that i think is what you said
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[17:36] <ZenoArrow> dirty_d, ah yeah that's probably it. I remember seeing a really cheap M4/0 dev board, probably talking about ??15, remember thinking it would be a good device to make a MP3/music player on (M4 devices have better performance than the M3 for DSP functions IIRC).
[17:38] <dirty_d> yea M4 is the only one with dsp
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[17:39] <dirty_d> ive never programmed an arm mcu though
[17:39] <dirty_d> only avr
[17:40] <ZenoArrow> If you're interested, I think the board I saw before was the STM32F407-Discovery. Very low cost.
[17:40] <ZenoArrow> What did you use to program the AVR? C? Or was it an Arduino based language?
[17:41] <dirty_d> yea C, ive never used an arduino
[17:41] <dirty_d> theyre like $50 when i can buy he actual uc for like $3
[17:41] <dirty_d> the last one u ised was the atxmega32a4u, pretty awesome
[17:42] <dirty_d> i dunno why the xmega chips arent more common, theyre better in every way than the megaavrs
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[17:42] <ZenoArrow> Have you got an M4 based dev board yet, or are you just considering getting one?
[17:43] <dirty_d> but i guess some could arguw that they dont operate at 5V and arent in PID packages
[17:43] <dirty_d> ZenoArrow, i was just considereing maybe buying the mcu and making a board
[17:43] <dirty_d> not sure how much is involved
[17:43] <dirty_d> id think just a crystal is needed
[17:43] <dirty_d> but i havent looked into it at all
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[17:46] <ZenoArrow> Could do, though if you were looking for an easy route in, might be best to use an off the shelf board to start with at least. Plus, surface mount soldering can be a little fiddly if you've not done it before.
[17:46] <dirty_d> wow thta really is only $14
[17:46] <ZenoArrow> Yep, exactly!
[17:46] <dirty_d> yea ive done some SMD stuff
[17:46] <stefanBA> mybe not exactly what you are looking for, but last weekend, I did a little bit of bare-metal coding on RasPi - also quite nice
[17:46] <ZenoArrow> Plus, you've got code examples to get you started. :-)
[17:47] <dirty_d> i had a board made by the dorkbot PDX pcb service then just soldered it at home
[17:47] <ZenoArrow> stefanBA, cool, what assembler did you use?
[17:47] <stefanBA> gas
[17:47] <dirty_d> stefanBA, yea i did a little of that to get "userspace interrupts"
[17:47] <dirty_d> basically just a kernel module that signals the asscociated process in an IRQ handler
[17:47] <stefanBA> that's not bare-metal
[17:48] <dirty_d> stefanBA, what do you mean by bare metal?
[17:48] <stefanBA> with bare-metal, I mean no OS
[17:48] <stefanBA> just my code and the chip, nothing else
[17:48] <yggdrasil> whats up guys
[17:48] <stefanBA> no Linux
[17:48] <dirty_d> ahh, howd you do that? mess with the boot files?
[17:48] <ZenoArrow> What's up yggdrasil. :-)
[17:48] <stefanBA> just put the code in kernel.img
[17:49] <dirty_d> stefanBA, how did you compile it?
[17:49] <stefanBA> I did not get that far up to now, but I could blink the OK LED and simulate an and gate with the GPIOs *g
[17:49] <dirty_d> to what type of executable format?
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[17:50] <stefanBA> I just used the gcc-crosscompiler
[17:50] <stefanBA> afterwards, I used objcopy to convert from elf to plain binary
[17:50] <dirty_d> ahh i see
[17:50] <stefanBA> the binary, I put in kernel.img
[17:50] <dirty_d> so its literally just machine code not any type of executable format?
[17:51] <dirty_d> so like the first byte of kernel.img is a machine instruction?
[17:51] <stefanBA> it was a little trick to find out that kernel.img is loaded to 0x8000 and not to 0
[17:51] <ZenoArrow> dirty_d, he said he used gas, which is the GNU assembler.
[17:51] <Maior> laaaame I've fixed my wifi issues by powering the wifi device :(
[17:52] <stefanBA> ZenoArrow, dirty_d: but I wrote just a little bit in assembly, the rest was C
[17:52] <dirty_d> well at least it works, lol
[17:52] <IT_Sean> "Have you tried turning it off and back on again?"
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[17:52] <dirty_d> stefanBA, so you replaced kernel.img with the file objcopy put out?
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[17:53] <stefanBA> dirty_d, exactly
[17:53] <dirty_d> ok
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[17:53] <dirty_d> stefanBA, did you have to do a lot of setup with all the registers and stuff before you were ready to use the GPIO?
[17:53] <dirty_d> or is it pretty much all up and initialized and running normally by the time kernel.img is loaded?
[17:54] <stefanBA> dirty_d, you have to make sure to make the code start at 0x8000 and then just do "arm-linux-gnueabi-objcopy -O binary kernel.elf kernel.img"
[17:54] <dirty_d> like clock speed and everything
[17:54] <stefanBA> I did no mess with the clock so far
[17:54] <stefanBA> it is running - I do not yet know how fast
[17:54] <dirty_d> make which code start at 0x8000?
[17:55] <stefanBA> the code you want to execute
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[17:55] <dirty_d> i mean in kernel.elf or kernel.img?
[17:55] <stefanBA> in kernel.elf
[17:55] <dirty_d> so you used some gcc flags to do that during compilation?
[17:56] <stefanBA> in kernel.img the code starts from the beginning, but the linker has to know that the beginning is 0x8000 when creating the elf
[17:56] <stefanBA> I wrote a custom linker script
[17:56] <dirty_d> ahh, ok
[17:56] <stefanBA> SECTIONS
[17:56] <stefanBA> {
[17:56] <stefanBA> . = 0x00008000;
[17:56] <stefanBA> .ram : {
[17:56] <stefanBA> *(.text)
[17:56] <stefanBA> and so on
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> this is another start from scratch thing, not DexOS?
[17:57] <stefanBA> no DexOS
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[17:57] <ken1> hello
[17:57] <stefanBA> just the chip and my code - RasPi in uC mode *g
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[17:57] <stefanBA> but it's nothing serious, just wanted to try if can can do it
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> I guess you can find out how to poke the display, usb, etc. by looking at the existing linux kernel & RISCOS code though..
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> seems a lot of effort..
[17:58] <stefanBA> the castrated data sheet is quite complete for most of the peripherals
[17:58] <dirty_d> stefanBA, would you mind sending me your scripts and build setup? Im interested in doing something like this
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[17:59] <stefanBA> dirty_d, sure I can do that
[17:59] <dirty_d> ok, cool
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[18:00] <dirty_d> ive read about some video ram refresh thing that happens every 500ms make real time programming a real problem on here
[18:00] <dirty_d> i wonder if thats all set up while or after the kernel boots so it wouldnt be a problem if you run real time code like this by creating a new kernel.img
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[18:01] <stefanBA> dirty_d, interesting think
[18:02] <stefanBA> throught
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[18:02] <stefanBA> oh, my god - I have to lern english typing... *g
[18:02] <dirty_d> lol
[18:03] <stefanBA> I did some latency tests on kernel 3.2.23 and got up to 3ms latency for IRQ context when using the SD card
[18:03] <dirty_d> stefanBA, hmm, isnt start.elf run before kernel.img?
[18:03] <stefanBA> when running from USB stick I got below 60us
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[18:03] <stefanBA> but I dod not notice anything with video ram
[18:03] <stefanBA> yes, kernel.img is the last part that is run from /boot
[18:04] <dirty_d> why is the latency so high
[18:04] <dirty_d> what if you put your code in start.elf?
[18:04] <dirty_d> does it do something you depend on?
[18:04] <stefanBA> but it's nice to have all the stuff configured and set up by start.img and so on
[18:04] <dirty_d> ok
[18:04] <stefanBA> I do not know - that's part of the clsoed source code
[18:04] <dirty_d> i think it does something with the GPU
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[18:05] <dirty_d> sets the ram split so maybe that 500ms thing gets set in there
[18:05] <stefanBA> I do not even know at what address start.img is loaded to, so it's quite hard to compile code for this file
[18:05] <dirty_d> hmm, yea
[18:05] <stefanBA> did you hear any rumors of how long this 500ms thing needs?
[18:06] <stefanBA> so should I see it on the oscilloscope when outputting a rectangle waveform?
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[18:07] <dirty_d> im not sure, but take a look at this, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/functions/#comment-235
[18:07] <dirty_d> stefanBA, yes
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> I think we just have to accept that the Pi is not a device to do 'hard' real-time control on.
[18:09] <stefanBA> but this is running under Linux, isn't it?
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> we can make a good stab at it, but it's not going to be finely tunable enough for anything a serious as flying a quadcopter, and I think a balancing robot will be the limits.
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> it's the GPU that controls the memory, not the ARM.
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> so even stuff running directl on the ARM will be at the mercy of the GPU.
[18:09] <stefanBA> ah, so it's about the memory access times?
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> I think so.
[18:09] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, didnt you say something about that 500ms video refresh thing being a problem even for that project that disabled all interrupts and did the logic analyzer in a kernel module?
[18:10] <bubu> anyone here build xbmc on latest raspbian wheezy?
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> Search the thread on the forum about the logic analyser stuff. I think they ran into some of the same issues.
[18:10] <dirty_d> thats totally not fixable even if you put your code in start.elf before any gpu stuff happens?
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, that comment wasn't mine, but I think it was one of the people involved in the logic analyser project.
[18:10] <dirty_d> assuming thats where its set up
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> he who controls the gpu controls the system...
[18:11] <dirty_d> if you could do that, its pretty awesome because you essentially have a 32-bit 800MHz microcontroller with an FPU
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> anyway, I need to pop out for a bit. back later!
[18:11] <dirty_d> not so many outputs, but still
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[18:11] <stefanBA> I'll try to find the forum post, Cu
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[18:11] <dirty_d> later
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[18:20] <dirty_d> stefanBA, i guess that 500ms thing is fixed with a config.txt option
[18:20] <stefanBA> dirty_d, which one?
[18:20] <dirty_d> disable_pvt=1
[18:20] <TheBrayn> Can I boot the rpi from an usb-stick?
[18:21] <dirty_d> dom added it because this guy making the logic analyzer explaine the problem
[18:21] <dirty_d> not sure which kernel it was added to
[18:21] <dirty_d> TheBrayn, no but you can put your rootfs on one
[18:21] <stefanBA> cool, usig this as keyword, I found the thread gordon mentioned
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[18:22] <dirty_d> oh sorry, i thought you were alreayd looking at it
[18:22] <stefanBA> no problem
[18:22] <stefanBA> I was checking if I can see the issue when running bare-metal code
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[18:27] <stefanBA> dirty_d, strange, I cannot see a 8 us to 16 us stall of the execution as mentioned in this thread
[18:27] <stefanBA> and I do not have the option set in config.txt
[18:28] <stefanBA> right now I'm toggling an I/O pin every 22 us, so I should see a 8 us latency
[18:29] <[SLB]> technically, are the Hynix and the Samsung soc supposed to perform same way?
[18:30] <stefanBA> I think the Samsung/Hynix is just the memory which is soldered on top of the SoC
[18:31] <[SLB]> yes the dram
[18:31] <[SLB]> so they're exactly equivalent?
[18:32] <stefanBA> I do not know
[18:32] <[SLB]> okies thanks
[18:34] <stefanBA> dirty_d, did you already tell me how I should transmit the bare-metal code over to you?
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[18:37] <dirty_d> stefanBA, just sent in PM, i think that 500ms thing is set up in the kernel, so youre not seeing it
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[18:41] <stefanBA> dirty_d, might also be my scope is too slow to detect
[18:41] <dirty_d> stefanBA, also i guess GPIO and systme timer memory access takes 60ns
[18:41] <dirty_d> tahts pretty terrible
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[18:42] <stefanBA> yeah, but it should be deterministic
[18:42] <stefanBA> and 6ns is not that slow
[18:42] <stefanBA> 60ns
[18:43] <stefanBA> on a Celeron3 processor, an access to the on-board parallel port takes about 1 us
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[18:44] <dirty_d> hmm
[18:44] <dirty_d> stefanBA, do you knwo what happens during that 60ns?
[18:44] <dirty_d> everything stops while the instruction finishes right?
[18:45] <stefanBA> I do not know, but I have an idea
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[18:45] <stefanBA> (I deal with MPSoCs at work)
[18:45] <dirty_d> cool, what do you think?
[18:46] <stefanBA> I assume the ARM is connected to a fast bus (maybe AMBA AHB?) then there is a bridge to a slower bus (maybe AMBA APB?) and the peripherals are connected to the slow bus
[18:46] <stefanBA> when the ARM wants to access the GPIO, it starts a transaction (read or write) on the fast bus, but the response will take some time, as it has to go via the bridge to the slow bus and back
[18:47] <stefanBA> typical speeds for those slow busses are 100 to 150 MHz
[18:47] <stefanBA> but maybe it's wven slower in the RasPi ?
[18:47] <stefanBA> the ARM11 is already quite clever
[18:48] <stefanBA> if it issues a write, it does not have to wait for it to finish
[18:48] <dirty_d> ahh i see
[18:48] <stefanBA> if it issues a read and does not need the answer in the next instruction, maybe it can also continue a little bit
[18:48] <stefanBA> but those features have limits - usually there can be a few things on the bus, like 3 to 5, maybe 8
[18:49] <stefanBA> when this limit is reached, everyhting stops
[18:49] <stefanBA> until the answer comes back
[18:49] <dirty_d> 60ns is 16MHz though
[18:50] <stefanBA> considering that an access might require multiple cycles on the slow bus...
[18:50] <dirty_d> true, true
[18:50] <stefanBA> I've seen busses where 4 cycles are needed
[18:50] <dirty_d> i think on the avrs i use gpio access is 1 clock cycle
[18:50] <dirty_d> not positive
[18:51] <stefanBA> you are right for in and out
[18:51] <stefanBA> sbi takes 2
[18:51] <dirty_d> im not even sure what instruction that is, i just use C
[18:51] <stefanBA> that's modifying one IO bit
[18:51] <stefanBA> it reads the port, changes the bit and writes the port
[18:52] <dirty_d> ahh, on the xmega its one though i think because it has an instruction to set bits and another to clear like on arm
[18:53] <dirty_d> right?
[18:53] <stefanBA> maybe they optimized something
[18:53] <stefanBA> I've not used xmega yet
[18:53] <dirty_d> ill never go back to megaavr
[18:53] <dirty_d> its better in every way i can see
[18:54] <stefanBA> I might consider it for my next project
[18:54] <dirty_d> theyre just much better designed
[18:54] <dirty_d> you can have it do so much without involving the cpu at all
[18:55] <stefanBA> ah, they have DMA and stuff?
[18:55] <dirty_d> yea, ive never used it
[18:55] <dirty_d> and an event system
[18:55] <stefanBA> but still 8 bit?
[18:55] <dirty_d> it lets you connect different peripherals together in a bunch of differet ways to make one trigger another to do something asynchronously
[18:55] <dirty_d> yea 8-bit
[18:56] <stefanBA> sounds nice, although I tend to switch to something with 32 bits if I have to get into a new CPU anyway
[18:57] <dirty_d> yea, i want to learn the cortex-Ms
[18:57] <dirty_d> it seems like the avrs usually have more peripherals though
[18:57] <dirty_d> at least the xmega
[18:57] <dirty_d> 16 16-bit PWM channels
[18:57] <dirty_d> all kinds of cool modes
[18:57] <dirty_d> pulsewidth capture, frequency capture
[18:58] <stefanBA> some months ago, I did a project with an FPGA - that's cool stuff: if you need another peripheral, you can just write one
[18:58] <dirty_d> ive never looked into using one
[18:58] <dirty_d> seems very hard
[18:59] <stefanBA> yeah, it was some steep learning curve... but it was fun
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[19:16] <Pe3k> stefanBA, it (ssh port forwarding) stopped with message: 'write failed: broken pipe' and remote shell was completely frozen
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[19:20] <stefanBA> P3k: and the IP of your DSL router did not change?
[19:21] <stefanBA> the error looks like the IP changed
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[19:26] <MycoRunner> so how hard is it really to get a raspberry pi?
[19:26] <MycoRunner> are they expecting to ship again soon?
[19:27] <mhoney> took me 3 months but things are much better now
[19:28] <MycoRunner> hm alright
[19:28] <dirty_d> anyone think there alrady working on a rpi v2.0?
[19:29] <dirty_d> blueberry pi
[19:29] <dwatkins> apple pi
[19:30] * MasterGeek rushes off to reg some domains
[19:31] <dirty_d> cow pi
[19:31] <MasterGeek> lol;
[19:31] <MasterGeek> pork pi
[19:31] <mal|lappy> MeatPi
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[19:32] <MasterGeek> Meat Pi would have 1G ram and a dual core arm cortex
[19:33] <MasterGeek> not this broadcom , end of line tosh
[19:33] <dirty_d> thats a pandaboard
[19:33] <dirty_d> i wonder how cheap they could make it
[19:33] <tos9> MycoRunner: Took me only a week from order to my doorstep.
[19:33] <dirty_d> pandaboard is $180
[19:34] <MasterGeek> i could make it for 70?
[19:34] <Pe3k> stefanBA, I did not check it when it worked ...so I will check in next freezing cycle :) ...
[19:34] <MasterGeek> so, proll 40
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[19:41] <tos9> So is rasbian recommended over the arch image for any other reason than people not being familiar with arch?
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[19:42] <techsurvivor> more people using it maybe is an advantage
[19:43] <tos9> Yeah, I'm trying to gauge how far ahead it'd be then in terms of hardware support
[19:44] <techsurvivor> has anyone build packages/installs with hard floating point support for the arch version?
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[19:44] <tos9> I dunno, I guess that seems to be the most prominent thing on the raspbian feature list. I guess I should have asked a more specific question like that :)
[19:44] <tos9> Probably not hard to find out. /me checks.
[19:45] <ccssnet> tos9: arch is a good choice because it uses glibc and not eglibc or uclinux
[19:45] <tos9> ccssnet: Oh that's nice, good to know.
[19:45] <ccssnet> ya :)
[19:45] <ccssnet> i am using it on the open pandora
[19:45] <ccssnet> for now
[19:46] <techsurvivor> ccssnet: why is that an advantage (using glibc) ? if you're not a developer
[19:46] <ccssnet> techsurvivor: well, i am a developer, but also some apps wont work without glibc
[19:46] <techsurvivor> just curious
[19:46] <techsurvivor> ah, yeah I guess that's why I asked heh
[19:47] <techsurvivor> i've been doing some stuff on there but i haven't needed any of the extra goodies that glibc brings in :)
[19:47] <ccssnet> ahh
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[19:48] <ccssnet> i got testing notebook that has a short list of apps that fail without glibc but its not near me atm
[19:48] <ccssnet> mostly gui stuff
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[19:50] <techsurvivor> ah, yeah I been messing around with driver and kernel stuff, trying to teach myself a bit of that, pi is a good platform for it
[19:50] <techsurvivor> except i fried it, now I have 3 more coming haha
[19:50] <ccssnet> nice
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[19:51] <techsurvivor> yeah, i still think it was the overvoltage, but am not sure since it doesn't seem like anyone else had that problem
[19:51] <techsurvivor> it was working when I went to sleep and not working when I came back to it the next day :)
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[19:52] <techsurvivor> next is to try and get ruby on rails on it, just a very simple version though, for a class I'm taking
[19:52] <techsurvivor> ruby+webrick+sqlite
[19:53] <ccssnet> ew. rooobeee
[19:53] <ziltro> Perhaps Ruby on a monorail would be simpler?
[19:53] <ccssnet> lol
[19:53] <techsurvivor> i'm new to it, if you like ruby there is a coursera class called "software as a service" and it's open right now if interested
[19:53] <ccssnet> although i guess im no better then using ruby since i use php for most of my backend stuff
[19:54] <ziltro> PHP is brilliant
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[19:54] <techsurvivor> using ruby on rails, anyway, i just tell people who seem interested
[19:54] <ccssnet> techsurvivor: i have an article Richard Stallman wrote about SaaS. he is highly against blind use of SaaS
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[19:54] <techsurvivor> i like php too, it's so nice and simple, this Ruby On Rails is still playing with me. trying to learn a new language and keep up with a class and RoR is daunting
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[19:55] <ccssnet> ya
[19:55] <ccssnet> i got a RoR book sitting next to me, id still rather use php and bash for now
[19:55] <techsurvivor> RS is a bit overboard on that stuff though :) . he doesn't like losing control of his data
[19:56] <ccssnet> lol, well... maybe his posistion has givin him a view of the industry that shows imature admins and thus raises his opinion on SaaS use
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[19:56] <techsurvivor> i don't either but well sometimes reality kicks in. i still keep a copy of everything I can keep locally, i'm glad you download your emails on gmail
[19:56] <ccssnet> just guessing
[19:56] <Maior> ugh RoR
[19:57] <techsurvivor> hah, i don't anything about it, it's a free class, and i'm sure it can be a gateway to other frameworks. Personally I wish they were using Python and Django
[19:57] <techsurvivor> I'm more interested in that
[19:57] <ccssnet> ahh
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[19:58] <techsurvivor> anyway that's not Pi, the interesting part is putting it on a Pi and showing it to the class ;)
[19:58] <ziltro> Anyone used COBOL on a Pi yet?
[19:58] <ccssnet> techsurvivor: i am checking out a whole bunch of new languages you might want to look at my list: http://atccss.net/index.php?p=about
[19:58] <ccssnet> 3rd paragraph down
[19:58] <techsurvivor> haha, whtat woudl be interesting
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[19:59] <techsurvivor> ziltro, ruby is currently playing tricks with my mind :) . I'm not used to all this lambdas and anonymous functions and stuff, but I'm getting there. It's very interesting but it makes my brain hurt
[19:59] <techsurvivor> i came from assembly and C programming. It's hard not to revert to for loops :)
[20:00] <Pe3k> stefanBA, autossh seems to solve such problems with ssh port forwarding
[20:00] <ziltro> 5.times do
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[20:00] <stefanBA> Pe3k, hm, I do not know autossh
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[20:00] <ccssnet> techsurvivor: ahh nice. check out a language called pike
[20:01] <Maior> techsurvivor: check out ML ;)
[20:01] <techsurvivor> it just keeps your ssh sessional alive, right?
[20:01] <techsurvivor> i tried Haskell and I threw my arms up in the air
[20:01] <ccssnet> lol
[20:01] <ziltro> I think I looked at Haskell and decided I wasn't quite insane enough.
[20:01] <techsurvivor> ruby might be a milder intro to some of the concepts; the profs for the class seem to like you to use a lot of the functional aspects
[20:01] <ccssnet> i installed haskell and threw my arms up in the air when i lost 1.5gb+ space
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[20:02] <ccssnet> :)
[20:02] <techsurvivor> everyone on r/programming in reddit seemed to be obsessed with it so I gave it a go
[20:02] <ccssnet> ya i dont like reddit at all
[20:03] <ccssnet> would much rather read "theregister.co.uk, and slashdot.org"
[20:03] <techsurvivor> i like some of the articles posted in there, but yeah everything seems liek the next coming of christ in there
[20:03] <techsurvivor> i read slashdot as well
[20:03] <ccssnet> lol @ next coming
[20:03] <techsurvivor> and anandtech
[20:03] <mal|lappy> reddit is great for following what's popular at any particular 20 second interval
[20:04] <ccssnet> ya ocasionally that one too
[20:04] <mal|lappy> Anything past that? useless
[20:04] <techsurvivor> the register is too cheeky for me :) . I like less commentary and more facts, but yeah I read it occassionally
[20:04] <ziltro> I like facts.
[20:05] <ziltro> That's why I don't bvother reading any news.
[20:05] <techsurvivor> heh
[20:05] <ccssnet> lol
[20:05] <techsurvivor> plus if you read it too much it'd just make you suicidal
[20:05] <techsurvivor> heh
[20:05] <ccssnet> ya most news tends to be bad
[20:06] * ccssnet points at fox news
[20:06] <techsurvivor> too negative... anyway any got xbmc workign well ? thinking about one of my new rpi's for that
[20:06] <ziltro> But whenever it is about a subject about which I know anything, the news is so utterly wrong I want to throw stuff at the people who wrote it.
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[20:09] <hadifarnoud> hi, my raspbmc is very slow
[20:09] <hadifarnoud> it was working perfectly
[20:09] <techsurvivor> even with playback?
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[20:09] <suppreme> WOOHOOOOOOOO
[20:09] <suppreme> ME HAZ RASPIO
[20:09] <ccssnet> XBMC IS SLOW
[20:09] <hadifarnoud> yeah
[20:09] <suppreme> ME HAZ RASPI
[20:09] <suppreme> WOOOOHOOOOOOO
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[20:09] <ccssnet> lol
[20:10] <techsurvivor> i might ought to just use a samba mount then and wireless mouse :)
[20:10] <hadifarnoud> it was working great 720p even :(
[20:10] <techsurvivor> what video player do they use?
[20:10] <hadifarnoud> xbmc
[20:10] <ccssnet> but yea using XBMC is like trying to drive threw a mud pit. unless you got a Jeep, your not getting anywhere and the jeeps not going to help XBMC sadly
[20:11] <hadifarnoud> it keeps crashing/very slow
[20:11] <ccssnet> XBMC is codded in opengl which to me is wasting video card cycles
[20:11] <hadifarnoud> even ssh doesnt work
[20:11] <ccssnet> last i knew anyway, i havent used xbmc since 2008?
[20:12] <ccssnet> try one of the following instead: vlc, xine, mplayer, totem
[20:12] <hadifarnoud> :( one on the damn addons messed it up I guess
[20:13] <ccssnet> hmph
[20:13] <techsurvivor> will try when I get one in :)
[20:13] <ccssnet> cool
[20:13] <techsurvivor> mplayer should be pretty light weight
[20:14] <ccssnet> i personally use vlc since its the most advanced controlls and such but any of those are reasonably stable and fast
[20:14] <hadifarnoud> xbmc is nicer techsurvivor
[20:14] <techsurvivor> well if it's slow and painfl to use...
[20:14] <ccssnet> lol, slow is not welcome to my video's
[20:14] <techsurvivor> i'd just as soon use a map and file explorer :)
[20:14] <hadifarnoud> well it wasn't slow. I dont know why it's slow now
[20:15] <techsurvivor> mouse*
[20:15] <techsurvivor> how about raspbmc?
[20:16] <techsurvivor> i just saw that on the pi page
[20:16] <hadifarnoud> thats the one I'm using techsurvivor
[20:16] <hadifarnoud> I fixed screen flicking and playback issues
[20:17] <hadifarnoud> was working just fine $top shows 25% cpu usage
[20:17] <hadifarnoud> not sure why its slow
[20:17] <techsurvivor> ah, i figured it might be the openelec release or whatever it's called
[20:18] <hadifarnoud> didn't try that one. raspbmc is nice if you can fix fbset issue
[20:18] <hadifarnoud> when I connect my HDD, it becomes slow
[20:19] <techsurvivor> what if you unhook it ? :)
[20:19] <ccssnet> that sucks
[20:19] <techsurvivor> i wonder if you could renice the xbmc process
[20:19] <hadifarnoud> then it works fine. not sure why it started to become slow when I connect HDD
[20:19] <ccssnet> i dont have any codecs on my openpandora, id test that HDD situation on a diferent device though if i did
[20:20] <hadifarnoud> :D I'm trying
[20:20] <techsurvivor> ah, i would be running it on samba or nfs mount so I might have the same problem, but only experimenting will tell :)
[20:21] <techsurvivor> for all i know the wireless connection will cause problems
[20:21] <hadifarnoud> mine is dirrect usb
[20:22] <hadifarnoud> now again, it crashed :(
[20:23] <DexterLB> how do I change the memory split? Just replace the .elf?
[20:24] <techsurvivor> yep, they're self explanatory (_start*) files
[20:24] <hadifarnoud> what is fsck equivalent for debian?
[20:24] <techsurvivor> in the /boot
[20:24] <Maior> hadifarnoud: fsck
[20:24] <hadifarnoud> says command not found
[20:24] <techsurvivor> is it in /usr/bin?
[20:24] <Maior> hadifarnoud: /sbin/fsck
[20:24] <techsurvivor> don't have a pi handy
[20:25] <hadifarnoud> btw, my date is keep going back to 1970. any idea why?
[20:27] <techsurvivor> pi doesn't have a real time clock
[20:27] <techsurvivor> so if you don't have ethernet access it can't update the clock time
[20:28] <hadifarnoud> I see. thanks techsurvivor
[20:28] <MasterGeek> mine does :P
[20:28] <Ionic`> *sigh*
[20:28] <Ionic`> MasterGeek: unless connected/used via GPIOs and stuff, yeah
[20:29] <Ionic`> but that's out of scope
[20:30] <MasterGeek> actually vir gprs vir uart but yer, beyond the scope of many
[20:30] <MasterGeek> so im guessing an rtc addon would be a seller
[20:30] <Ionic`> ...
[20:30] <Ionic`> what for?
[20:31] <MasterGeek> what for ? what like why would anyone need an RTC or why ?
[20:31] <MasterGeek> vague question
[20:31] <Ionic`> yeah
[20:32] <Ionic`> what do you need a RTC for?
[20:32] <ccssnet> id like to see a simple gpio rtc
[20:32] <mal|lappy> To set the time without access to a NTP server
[20:32] <ccssnet> tiny pcb style
[20:32] <MycoRunner> it doesn't have a hardware clock?
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[20:32] <Ionic`> MycoRunner: nope
[20:33] <MycoRunner> that's weird...
[20:33] <Ionic`> but again, why would it?
[20:33] <MycoRunner> well i guess if you don't want to keep it online all the time
[20:33] <Ionic`> most embedded devices don't
[20:33] <mal|lappy> Same reason any other device would need it, so you can know what time it is
[20:33] <MycoRunner> true
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[20:33] <Ionic`> yeah well
[20:33] <Ionic`> touch luck, right? :p
[20:33] <MycoRunner> what would you do if you wanted it to be offline all the time?
[20:34] <MycoRunner> just let it run in the 1970s all the time?
[20:34] <Ionic`> I doubt you'll need the correct time in such a case
[20:34] <mal|lappy> I need to know the correct time, but I'm hooked to a GPS so I jsut pull it from there
[20:35] <Ionic`> see
[20:35] <Ionic`> no problem
[20:36] <MasterGeek> well xbmc wont show the corect whats on guide, for catchup tv, because its always trying to show me wuts on in 1970, so that would be handy
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[20:36] <mal|lappy> MasterGeek: If you're on the internet, jsut run ntpd
[20:36] <Ionic`> uhm
[20:36] <Ionic`> TV stuff is most likely connected to a network anyway, so NTP it is
[20:37] <ziltro> I would consider GPS. Or a 'rugby clock' receiver.
[20:38] <Ionic`> you could even get the time wirelessly
[20:38] <ziltro> GPS is probably easiest as USB GPS devices are fairly easily available, and I believe ntpd can talk to gpsd fairly easily, however I've not done it yet.
[20:38] <Ionic`> it's broadcasted anyway
[20:38] <MasterGeek> but what if you dont have the net,, someone in our pug, used an rtc to take weather readings from his weather station, on the hour every hour,
[20:38] <ziltro> Yeah, 60 kHz or so.
[20:38] <Ionic`> non-GPS, that is
[20:39] <Ionic`> something like that, long wave I guess?
[20:39] <mal|lappy> Right, there are tons of uses for a RTC
[20:39] <ziltro> MasterGeek: I would use GPS, weather tends to be outside and have a good view of the sky. :)
[20:39] <mal|lappy> So, make a RTC addon board MasterGeek :)
[20:39] <Ionic`> In germany that's DCF77
[20:39] <ziltro> I believe you can use a reasonably wide-band sound card to receive data from the 'Rugby' transmitter.
[20:39] <ziltro> Which isn't in Rubgy any more.
[20:39] <Ionic`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Low_cost_DCF77_receiver.jpg
[20:40] <MasterGeek> Dont need on, I haz "The Pi Phone" haz rtc
[20:40] <Ionic`> doesn't sound too complicated
[20:40] <ziltro> That looks low cost.
[20:40] <Ionic`> sure it is
[20:40] <ziltro> is that a crystal?
[20:40] <MasterGeek> looks like it
[20:41] <Ionic`> not sure what that is
[20:41] <ziltro> So probably a 60 kHz oscilator and a diode to rectify the output?
[20:41] <Ionic`> 77.5 kHz
[20:41] <Ionic`> but yeah
[20:42] <ziltro> Ah tyeah there are a few transmitter around there aren't theere...
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[20:42] <Timmmaaaayyy> anyone in here use their rpi to configure a arduino?
[20:43] <IT_Sean> O_o
[20:44] <IT_Sean> I've seen it done. DUnno if anyone in here has.
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[20:53] <Syliss> i don't have the money to buy arduino parts
[20:53] <mal|lappy> Doh
[20:54] <Timmmaaaayyy> anyone how how to get into a python shell? something like what they're doing in this link: http://www.doctormonk.com/2012/04/raspberry-pi-and-arduino.html
[20:55] <MasterGeek> try
[20:55] <MasterGeek> python
[20:56] <techsurvivor> heh
[20:56] <Timmmaaaayyy> lol. wow i'm dumb. thank you
[20:56] <Ionic`> so
[20:56] <Ionic`> gcc is still compiling :D
[20:57] <techsurvivor> although if you start using the shell a lot you might considered enhanced shells like ipython
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[20:59] <rabbidrabbit> I'd actually advise bpython
[20:59] <techsurvivor> never used that one
[20:59] <rabbidrabbit> syntax highlighting and tab completion
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[21:00] <rabbidrabbit> I've never used ipython though, so I can't really compare.
[21:01] <techsurvivor> it's similar, i bet both are much better than python's default though
[21:02] <rabbidrabbit> I could never go back to using python's default shell.
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[21:18] <nputnam> anybody running anything besides linux with any success?
[21:18] <DexterLB> I'm trying to get video playback over nfs, but it's still a bit choppy on the epic-quality HD videos
[21:18] <DexterLB> currently I'm getting 7.5MB/s over nfs
[21:18] <DexterLB> is there a way above that?
[21:18] <MasterGeek> woot mal|lappy http://www.golledge.com/pdf/products/rtcs/rv2123c2.pdf 48p + board + profit = ?8 want one ?
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[21:21] <MasterGeek> DexterLB, wuts the arm clocked @
[21:21] <MasterGeek> ?
[21:22] <DexterLB> MasterGeek: 800
[21:22] <MasterGeek> arm_freq=900
[21:22] <MasterGeek> sdram_freq=4400 might help
[21:22] <MasterGeek> lol not 4400
[21:22] <MasterGeek> 400
[21:22] <mal|lappy> MasterGeek: Nah
[21:23] <mal|lappy> i have a GPS, don't need a RTC
[21:23] <mal|lappy> Otherwise, futurlec has a really cheap RTC board
[21:23] <DexterLB> won't I need to overvolt it then?
[21:23] <MasterGeek> is wut the xbmc is set to works fine
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[21:23] <MasterGeek> mal|lappy, define cheap ?
[21:24] <MasterGeek> DexterLB, no overvolt
[21:24] <DexterLB> and also, how do I check my current frequency?
[21:25] <DexterLB> to see if the config.txt setting has worked :D
[21:25] <MasterGeek> well if you set it in config.txt to 800 thats what it is, defaults to 700
[21:26] <chithead> hi, I am trying to produce some profiled builds but the results are a bit disappointing. this is openssl speed with gcc-4.6 on gentoo normal http://bpaste.net/show/37430/ and profiled http://bpaste.net/show/37431/
[21:26] <chithead> did someone experiment with pgo on the raspberry pi before and could telle me whether this matches his experience?
[21:26] <rabbidrabbit> what does cat /proc/cpuinfo do? Never done it on a pi, and don't have access to one right now.
[21:27] <Maior> my pi wifi has just died again, otherwise I'd tell you
[21:28] <MasterGeek> Maior, is the wifi dropping into powersave ?
[21:28] <Maior> MasterGeek: er, maybe, no idea how I'd tell
[21:29] <MasterGeek> rabbidrabbit, standard output
[21:30] <chithead> er sry, first paste (non-profiled) got messed up http://bpaste.net/show/37433/
[21:30] <MasterGeek> duno, you would have to check the datasheet for the wifi mod
[21:30] <rabbidrabbit> MasterGeek: Did it give any info about the cpu such as the clock speed?
[21:31] <MasterGeek> y
[21:31] <MasterGeek> standard output
[21:32] <MasterGeek> arm6 rev 7 bogomips 795.44
[21:33] <MasterGeek> brb
[21:33] <ziltro> I'm currently re-encoding a video from blu-ray to MKV + MP4 + FLAC, and the minute or so it has encoded so far play mostly okay over NFS.
[21:33] <ziltro> Slowdowns might not be on the RPi, as it is still encoding.
[21:35] <ziltro> I wonder if the RPi GPU has any support for Dirac?
[21:35] <ziltro> Probably not, but you never know.
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[21:38] <MasterGeek> pi@raspberrypi:~$ cat /proc/cpu
[21:38] <MasterGeek> cat: /proc/cpu: Is a directory
[21:38] <MasterGeek> pi@raspberrypi:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
[21:38] <MasterGeek> Processor : ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l)
[21:38] <MasterGeek> BogoMIPS : 898.66
[21:38] <MasterGeek> Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java tls
[21:38] <MasterGeek> CPU implementer : 0x41
[21:38] <MasterGeek> CPU architecture: 7
[21:38] <MasterGeek> CPU variant : 0x0
[21:38] <MasterGeek> CPU part : 0xb76
[21:39] <MasterGeek> CPU revision : 7
[21:39] <MasterGeek> Hardware : BCM2708
[21:39] <MasterGeek> Revision : 0002
[21:39] <MasterGeek> Serial : 00000000a174ea55
[21:39] <MasterGeek> pi@raspberrypi:~$
[21:39] <IT_Sean> ...
[21:39] <ReggieUK> stop spammingh
[21:39] <IT_Sean> um...
[21:39] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[21:39] * ReggieUK pulls the shiny boots on
[21:39] <ReggieUK> lern2pastebin
[21:40] <MasterGeek> i think 99.99% of computers on the net can cope with 11 lines of output, go are the days that such drastic and flagrant abuse of spam to crash clients are long past gentelmen
[21:41] <MasterGeek> but ill suck it in
[21:41] <IT_Sean> It doesn't matter if 99.999% of computers can handle it. I just got 16 growl alerts at the same time, over a movie i was watching. Don't spam.
[21:41] <ReggieUK> I think your opinion is irrelevant and I just don't want to see random junk on my screen :)
[21:41] <[SLB]> lol
[21:43] <ziltro> What's a growl alert?
[21:43] <MasterGeek> lol this is the internets 99% of what you see in junk
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[21:43] <rabbidrabbit> I guess by catting /proc/cpuinfo you can tell if changing the clock speed in config.txt worked by looking at the BogoMIPS number.
[21:44] <MasterGeek> yer
[21:44] <ziltro> Presumably overclock does teh GPU as well?
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[21:44] <rabbidrabbit> I haven't got a clue.
[21:44] <MasterGeek> you can clock that too additional lines
[21:45] <MasterGeek> wouldnt pust it past 400 tho, 450 started to panic
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[21:45] <MasterGeek> a copper penny super glued to the arm seemd to fix it
[21:46] <rabbidrabbit> lol
[21:46] <MasterGeek> :D
[21:47] <MasterGeek> waiting for liquid nitro, see if i can get one of these suckers up to 1.5 g
[21:47] <ziltro> Glued to the POP memory, technically?
[21:47] <MasterGeek> yer
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[21:47] <nputnam> going to try and boot up AROS in a minute if anyone is interested
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[21:48] <MasterGeek> yer
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[21:50] <MasterGeek> will that invalidate my warranty ?
[21:50] <IT_Sean> Whill what void it?
[21:50] <IT_Sean> overclocking?
[21:50] <MasterGeek> a copper penny super glued to the arm
[21:50] <IT_Sean> Oh... i can't imagine it would...
[21:51] <IT_Sean> But then again... it could.
[21:51] <MasterGeek> cool ill hold you to that
[21:51] <IT_Sean> They don't say specifically.
[21:51] <IT_Sean> the only thing that we KNOW will void the warrenty is if you OV it.
[21:51] <MasterGeek> yer i dont go there, i read that bit :)
[21:52] <MasterGeek> but hey, 25 ? is a pie n a pint
[21:52] <MasterGeek> so no loss
[21:52] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[21:52] <IT_Sean> i say warrenty shwarenty. Esp as now it's a bit easier to get one
[21:54] <MasterGeek> ill say one thing about the Pi it can take a beating, ! i physically shorted all the io pins with a screw driver , to see if it would damage it, but it just lol at me and rebooted
[21:54] <IT_Sean> O_O
[21:54] <IT_Sean> you got lucky, i'd say.
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[21:54] <MasterGeek> lol wasnt all i did
[21:55] <IT_Sean> Shorting the 5v pin to the 3.3v pin is generally Not Good.
[21:55] <IT_Sean> not to mention other combinations that could release the Magical Blue Smoke
[21:56] <Toneloc> so, what is the maximum speed that GPIO can be made toggle under control from linux?
[21:56] <MasterGeek> i luve the smell of burning plastic tho a
[21:56] <Toneloc> for the rpi, i mean
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[21:59] <nputnam> I know there is somebody selling pi heatsinks on tindie.com if you guys are interested
[21:59] <Syliss> lol
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[22:08] <LunaVorax> Hello everyone!
[22:08] <MasterGeek> \o
[22:09] <LunaVorax> :)
[22:09] <LunaVorax> I received my RPI yesterday
[22:09] <MasterGeek> yay we have a winner
[22:09] <LunaVorax> It's a neat little device but so far I don't know if any of the GNU/Linux distros already have a GPU driver
[22:10] <MasterGeek> :)
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[22:10] <MasterGeek> go with raspbian
[22:10] <ziltro> Is there any GPU driver? For X, presumably.
[22:10] <LunaVorax> Xorg is kida the slowest thing eve
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[22:10] <MasterGeek> none acc but working
[22:10] <LunaVorax> I don't like Debian, I'm using Arch
[22:10] <chithead> it will work with the fbdev driver (unaccelerated)
[22:11] <ziltro> Raspbian is the "best" at the moment because it uses the hardware floating point processor.
[22:11] <ziltro> I want to try out Arch too at some point.
[22:11] <LunaVorax> Hum
[22:11] <LunaVorax> Oh well, I'll dd my sdcard again
[22:12] <ziltro> I quite like Arch in some ways.
[22:12] <ziltro> Rolling release is good. Has its down sides occasionally, but ignoring them... :)
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[22:12] <LunaVorax> Rolling release changed my life
[22:13] <LunaVorax> Seriously
[22:13] <ziltro> :)
[22:13] <ziltro> The (x86) Arch installer is so rubbish they've discontinued it though ;)
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[22:13] <LunaVorax> I haven't tested the new ISO
[22:13] <ziltro> It comes without an installer.
[22:14] <LunaVorax> I'm quite afraid of whet they've done
[22:14] <ziltro> To make things simple. Apparently.
[22:14] <LunaVorax> Oh shit
[22:14] <ziltro> I'm sure an installer shouldn't be too complicated.
[22:14] <LunaVorax> If it's "simple" as CRUX, it'll be a lot of fun... :(
[22:14] <ziltro> But theirs didn't ask the simple things, like language, country, keyboard layout.
[22:14] <ziltro> Whichshould be the first three things an installer asks.
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[22:15] <ziltro> Unless, like the MacOS installer, it allows you to pair a bluetooth keyboard & mouse first.
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[22:17] <LunaVorax> That sounds complicated
[22:17] <ziltro> They made it work though. :)
[22:17] <ziltro> If it detected no USB keyboard or mouse it automatically showed you how to pair a bluetooth one, with no text because you hadn't chosen a language yet.
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[22:18] <LunaVorax> hum
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[22:51] <xarragon> I am fairly certain this 5+ years old, unrated SD card is the crappiest one I have ever seen. dd has run for ages on it, i fear for the printing of the transfer speed.
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[22:52] <xarragon> The "speed" when used as root fs will probably lie between "glued down with epoxy" and "glacier movement".
[22:53] <xarragon> With the occasional "bowel movement" burst on a bright day.
[22:53] <xarragon> 1939865600 bytes (1.9 GB) copied, 910.025 s, 2.1 MB/s
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[22:54] <ovim> xarragon: I want to upvote you for your choice in words. That was beautifull to read.
[22:55] <NullMoogleCable> so...
[22:56] <xarragon> ovim: Well, I had plenty of time to forge my frustrations into words while it chugged along.
[22:56] <xarragon> ovim: But thank you.
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[22:57] <NullMoogleCable> how can i test to see how fast i can write to my usb thumbdrive?
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[22:58] <xarragon> Hm, definetly boots slower than the other pi with a class 4, though not as bad as I expected.
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[23:07] <SpeedEvil> NullMoogleCable: dd
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[23:11] <xarragon> Disabling overscan on my hdmi-dviadapter-display setup seemed like a dumb move in hindsight
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[23:14] <mikma> xarragon: sudo raspi-config and enable it again
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[23:14] <xarragon> mikma: Yeah step one is to find it on the network though.. nmap comes up empty
[23:15] <m4t> anyone using a k400
[23:15] <m4t> i dunno if its a driver issue, or hw issue, but i keep getting stuck keys
[23:16] <xarragon> Weird, I get no link on the ethernet interfrace
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[23:19] <xarragon> Ah it probably wont boot up..
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[23:21] <NullMoogleCable> I wish there were live network boot images you could boot different live images and test them out before installing them on your sd card
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[23:23] <NullMoogleCable> like my one hp server has a virtual cd drive you can mount a image to
[23:25] <xarragon> Hm, no video, tried 2 power sources and composite video. Red PWR light on, OK blinking 8 times then pausing and repeating.
[23:25] <xarragon> I suspect resizing the 2Gb SD card might have beeen a good idea. Reflashing.
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> hi
[23:29] <xarragon> hi
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[23:29] <l_n> 'ello.
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[23:45] <xarragon> Apparently NOT the resizing that broke my pi. Still booting after expanding.
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[23:45] <l_n> anyone had any luck with a BSD variant yet?
[23:46] <NullMoogleCable> im finding the pi to be quite underpowered :(
[23:46] <l_n> NullMoogleCable: what were you expecting out of it?
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> NullMoogleCable, no-one really said otherwise ..
[23:46] <xarragon> NullMoogleCable: For what purpose?
[23:46] <NullMoogleCable> just the simple gui desktop is laggy as heck
[23:47] <l_n> the specs quite plainly say it's a 700MHz ARMv6 chip with 256MB RAM shared between the CPU and GPU.
[23:47] <xarragon> For me, personally it is the only cheap, affordable way to get a decent ARM core with matching multilayer board to play with.
[23:47] <l_n> NullMoogleCable: try something like ratpoison or evilwm
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> NullMoogleCable, what distro are you using?
[23:48] * l_n guesses raspbian or the debian 6 sd card sold by newark
[23:48] <NullMoogleCable> Raspbian
[23:48] <xarragon> I plan to use mine to control robots with and possibly power some custom fancy onboard graphical UI.
[23:48] <l_n> NullMoogleCable: you can accomplish most (if not all) tasks from the CLI in linux.
[23:48] <l_n> the GUI is *not* nec3essary
[23:49] <l_n> s/c3e/ce/
[23:49] <l_n> carrado you know if the Gertboard is being sold yet?
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[23:49] <l_n> hrm.. i really should move the netbook blocking the input line in irssi
[23:50] <l_n> carrado should have been xarragon
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> l_n, should be soon, I hear.
[23:52] <l_n> NullMoogleCable: are you familiar with emacs' keychords?
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[23:53] <xarragon> l_n: Sorry, I have no idea.
[23:54] <xarragon> I make my own boards for the control end, will link to the pi via usb or serial if it ever gets that far.
[23:55] <l_n> hrm.. the pi should make for a decent intro to robotics/control if i ever start designing boards...
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[23:55] <l_n> i'm kinda wondering if there might be an application for the RPi in the security industry (burg alarms, fire alarms, cctv, etc)
[23:56] <xarragon> I planned using an ARM9 board from Olimex earlier, but that costs about 5 times as much as a pi and is less capable.
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[23:57] <xarragon> l_n: Cheap ip cameras can hopefully be made from it.. I got to borrow a pi from a friend to learn from, he wants to make a custom security appliance from it.
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[23:57] <l_n> did you see the ODROID that's coming out?
[23:57] <xarragon> So I am eagerly awaiting the camera module.
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[23:58] <l_n> hrm.. i can see the potential there. put a couple of motors on the camera module tied to the GPIO.. send the images over to a SAN setup..
[23:58] <l_n> and the output could also be used to set off a burg alarm when tripped.
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> l_n the gertboard might be a start but only one motor driver. 6 darlingtons though.
[23:59] <xarragon> l_n: odroid seems nice actually.. More power and IO, still fairly cheap.

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