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IRC Log for 2012-07-30

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[0:00] <xarragon> Would be interesting to see if yo can get OpenCL support on some of these ddevices for image processing
[0:01] <l_n> bbiaf.. gonna write the raspbian image back over this arch install.
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[0:01] <l_n> arch is not liking me at them moment. so it's getting replaced.
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[0:07] <KeyCat> Hi all
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[0:09] <KeyCat> Anyone goy any pointer how to manually update the firmware?
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> KeyCat, can't you use the rpi-update program?
[0:14] <KeyCat> no it does not work
[0:14] <ziltro> Don't you just copy files to the FAT partition?
[0:14] <NullMoogleCable> its not installed in the Raspbian image X_X
[0:14] <KeyCat> it just stops at...
[0:14] <KeyCat> Updating firmware (this will take a few minutes)
[0:14] <ziltro> Did you wait a few minutes? ;)
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[0:14] <NullMoogleCable> it will take a long time
[0:15] <KeyCat> zil: yes
[0:15] <mal|lappy> lol ziltro
[0:15] <NullMoogleCable> like on my slow sd card it took 20 minutes X_X
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[0:15] <KeyCat> would like to learn do it manually anyway
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> rpi-update is a shell script. just read it.
[0:15] <KeyCat> and I understand that it's more files than just in /boot
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[0:17] <KeyCat> ok will check out the script and see what I grasp, thanks anyway
[0:18] <GriffenJBS> it's been a while since I last looked, but it used to cache the git, so it would update faster the next time
[0:18] <GriffenJBS> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[0:19] <KeyCat> but what does it do in addition to copying some files to /boot? what about the files in modules?
[0:20] <KeyCat> are they just copied over as well?
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[0:23] <t7> raspberry pi has firmware?
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> the modules would be updated too - to match the kernel.
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> and I also think the demos, etc. in /opt/vc get updated too.
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> t7, it's the firmware that runs in the GPU.
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> t7, as well as the linux kernel, etc.
[0:24] <t7> but the linux kernel comes on the sd card... ?
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[0:24] <gordonDrogon> yes it does.
[0:24] <gordonDrogon> so does the software (aka firmware) that runs in the GPU.
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[0:25] <KeyCat> thx gordon, will chk more tomorrow, gn all
[0:27] <^robertj> i've been thinking about building a small greenhouse and am considering a DIY irrigation & cooling & monitoring system, anyone got a few minutes to talk about some of the nitty gritty stuff re: i2c of which I am not very well versed besides reading the wikipedia page?
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[0:31] <ziltro> Is it me or does omxplayer always seem to miss the very end of a video?
[0:31] * Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk
[0:31] <ziltro> Liek the last minute or so
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[0:42] <GriffenJBS> ziltro: it's a known bug
[0:42] <GriffenJBS> the buffers don't flush
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[0:48] <xarragon> l_n: Also found a $49 ARM11 android, the APC: http://apc.io/
[0:49] <ziltro> Ah darn those buffers.
[0:50] <zgreg> the APC might be nice, but it's made by VIA
[0:50] * plugwash should be getting an APC soon
[0:50] <zgreg> so, please don't even think about buying :)
[0:50] <plugwash> (and no i'm not going to be paying for it ;) )
[0:50] <xarragon> VIA is evil?
[0:50] <plugwash> what is wrong with via?
[0:51] <zgreg> VIA isn't evil, just horribly bad
[0:51] <NullMoogleCable> via is like the celeron of arm procs isnt it?
[0:52] <zgreg> plugwash: btw, is that VIA-type soon, or regular soon?
[0:52] <plugwash> well according to the guy at via it should be shipped on monday
[0:53] <xarragon> it might have it's uses, but yeah.. the cpu is probably not a powerhorse.
[0:54] <zgreg> the major problem with via is that there will be very little to no support
[0:54] <zgreg> don't expect via to actually fix any bugs, or provide updated firmware, etc.
[0:54] <plugwash> one thing i'd really like to know about the APC is what it's topology is like
[0:54] <xarragon> I just love the fact that since the pi came, everyone and their mother wants to make cheap dev boards with smartphone processors and multimedia capabilities.
[0:54] <plugwash> for example is everything stuck behind one USB port like on the Pi
[0:55] <NullMoogleCable> what about like the pogo plug or the dockstar?
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[0:56] <xarragon> plugwash: What, critically analyze things from a technical perspective? That could hurt sales, and if you hurt sales, you hurt the economic recovery and must be.. the next unabomber! Just buy everything and don't question things!
[0:56] <zgreg> AFAIK ethernet isn't attached via usb and that's a definite plus
[0:59] <GriffenJBS> NullMoogleCable: several times the cost, and no multimedia
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[1:00] <plugwash> GRR the image on vias website is just marginally too low in resoloution
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[1:01] <plugwash> ah found a high resoloution version
[1:01] <plugwash> this lets me look up what is on there
[1:03] <sunkan> So I would like to do something fun with the GPIO i/o.. But I'm a complete newbie to this, is it possible to "read" the output from a GPIO with a multimeter?
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[1:05] <GriffenJBS> sunkan: yes, check the voltage
[1:05] <ziltro> It should be 0v or 3.3v, presumably?
[1:05] <sunkan> GriffenJBS: against GND?
[1:05] <ziltro> 0v being 0 and 3.3v being 1?
[1:06] <GriffenJBS> yes
[1:06] <sunkan> Have tried but is not working, should all the GPIOs work the same?
[1:07] <GriffenJBS> sunkan: I have no idea what the default state is, are you setting the state in software?
[1:07] <m4t> hmm this logitech unifying receiver keeps doing this: usb 1-1.3.4: reset full speed USB device number 6 using dwc_otg
[1:07] <m4t> related to power save? its hooked up to a powered hub
[1:07] <GriffenJBS> m4t: you need a better power supply
[1:07] <GriffenJBS> or the USB devices are pulling too much
[1:07] <sunkan> Have tried to use the kernel sysfs interface and also a C example blink.c
[1:07] <m4t> GriffenJBS , my usb wifi isnt doing that...
[1:08] <GriffenJBS> m4t: do you have a multimeter?
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[1:08] <m4t> yep
[1:08] <GriffenJBS> plug in the USB devices, check TP1 & TP2
[1:09] <GriffenJBS> if the voltage is below 4.75V the PS could be the problem, if it's good, then the devices are pulling too much current and a powered hub can fix that
[1:09] <m4t> i have a powered hub
[1:09] <m4t> i think this keyboard is busted
[1:09] <m4t> it keeps sticking keys and such too
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[1:09] <hadifarnoud> xbmc keeps saying "successfully removed device" after I connect my hdd via usb. syslog says /dev/sda does not contain a filesystem or disklabel
[1:09] <GriffenJBS> yeah, I'm assuming your hardware is good
[1:10] <m4t> you would think the unifying receiver, being a low power device, wouldnt see the issues
[1:11] <m4t> where this massive asus dual band usb wifi would
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[1:11] <zgreg> plugwash: would be nice to know what kind of gpu the WM8750 has, if you call it that (which I doubt)
[1:11] <zgreg> *can call it that
[1:11] <plugwash> from looking at the high res photos of the APC it looks like it has native ethernet
[1:11] <plugwash> and multiple USB direct from the SOC
[1:12] <zgreg> rumor has it that it's just a glorified blitter
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[1:12] <zgreg> yeah, that seems to be true
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[1:12] <novaflash> neat
[1:12] <novaflash> there's a raspberry pi channel
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[1:12] <sunkan> Got the GPIO working with the blink.c now.. I think I misunderstood that the library specified the PIN not the GPIO#
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[1:14] <patrickod_> apart from allied electronics are there any other retailers accepting orders for US customers at the moment?
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[1:14] <patrickod_> the delivery date is 12 weeks; I'm wondering if I can do better elsewhere
[1:14] <plugwash> what about newark?
[1:14] <l_n> patrickod_: newark/element14
[1:14] <l_n> http://www.newark.com
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[1:14] <sunkan> Cool, so now I need a trip to the store for some LEDs and transistors or something ;)
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[1:16] <hadifarnoud> my pi crashes, syslog says Jul 29 23:06:51 raspbmc nm-dispatcher.action: Script '/etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/01ifupdown' exited with error status 1.
[1:16] <plugwash> zgreg, I kinda figured it out by elimination, the chip near the lan port is just a transciever, the chip to the far side is the audio chip
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[1:16] <plugwash> and the chips near the SOC are pretty clearly ram and flash
[1:16] <plugwash> so that doesn't leave anything to be a USB hub
[1:17] <zgreg> well, maybe on the backside of the PCB?
[1:18] <zgreg> it would be very unusual to have 4 USB port on such a SoC...
[1:18] <NullMoogleCable> installing gnome on my pi lol
[1:18] <l_n> gnome? good luck with that.
[1:19] <NullMoogleCable> its been 3 hours now lol
[1:19] <novaflash> haha
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[1:19] <novaflash> crazy
[1:19] <l_n> take a video ooit (attemptinng) to run
[1:19] <l_n> of it*
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[1:20] <novaflash> is there like a cool website with community projects that were made on raspberry pi? something i can look at to get some ideas? :)
[1:20] <maicod> hi I know X consists of 2 parts, the stuff that makes the graphs and the desktop manager. now what about gnome. is this the one and only X manager there is ?
[1:20] <novaflash> yeah you may want to fast forward large portions of that video though ;)
[1:20] <l_n> the element14 forums and raspi forums
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[1:20] <novaflash> element 14 forums.. hm okay thanks
[1:20] <hadifarnoud> how can I fsck on pi?
[1:21] * l_n stifles a laugh.
[1:21] <l_n> puerile, i know.
[1:21] <sunkan> Can I then connect a GPIO to GND and 3.3v pins to read input?
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[1:22] <zgreg> plugwash: ok, definitely looks like the USB lines go from the connectors to the SoC. still, that's really unusual.
[1:22] <l_n> sunkan: check the wiredpi library and the gpio specs on raspberrypi.org
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[1:23] <buZz> you guys think the usb hub in internal on the SoC?
[1:23] <buZz> is*
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[1:23] <sunkan> l_n: Have checked some already, but I think that what I have found assumes people already know some general things about how GPIOs work. Just want to be on teh safe side so I don't break the Pi
[1:24] <hadifarnoud> anyone can tell me how can I fsck safely on pi? (my sd reader is broken)
[1:25] <plugwash> I dunno, being that via are involved it wouldn't surprise me if the USB in the wondermedia SoC bears more resemblence to a PC controller than a smartphone one
[1:25] <buZz> oooh i thought you were talking about the rapsi
[1:25] <buZz> raspi*
[1:25] <plugwash> nah we are talking about one of it's "rivals"
[1:26] <buZz> yeah the apc
[1:26] <buZz> gotcha
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[1:26] <plugwash> it really all hinges on the software support, hardware wise the apc looks quite a bit better than the Pi for a little extra outlay
[1:27] <zgreg> well, only in some ways
[1:27] <plugwash> but software can make or break theese things (see: the usb host driver situation on the Pi :( )
[1:28] <ReggieUK> it amazes me that the usb ip made it onto the pi
[1:29] <maicod> hadifarnoud: normally I would say create a 2nd sdcard and boot from it and mount the other in a USB card reader in the Pi (or use it in a pc and boot a linux livecd) but since your sdcard reader is broken I feel your out of options :(
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[1:29] <ReggieUK> well, actually, it doesn't surprise me as such, it dissapoints me that in 2012 a company like broadcom would consider it worthy to put on anything and leave the drivers in that state
[1:29] <hadifarnoud> :( maicod I thought there is a boot option for pi
[1:29] <plugwash> zgreg, via have posted pictures of the backside as well and there are no chips on the back
[1:30] <plugwash> well no significant chips
[1:30] <maicod> hadifarnoud: the pi doesnt have its own 'BIOS' or emergency boot
[1:30] <buZz> whats wrong with the ethernet drivers?
[1:30] <buZz> i have been doing > 10MB/sec on it without issues?
[1:30] <maicod> hadifarnoud: got no laptop with builtin sd card reader ?
[1:30] <zgreg> plugwash: yeah I'm pretty sure it really does have 4 ports on the SoC now
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[1:31] <hadifarnoud> I do. but write protection pin is not working. mounts as read only. it's half broken really
[1:31] <zgreg> no 2nd sd card reader? just build one yourself :)
[1:31] <maicod> oh so thats the problem
[1:31] <hadifarnoud> yeah
[1:31] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=8837
[1:32] <maicod> that sucks
[1:32] <hadifarnoud> I know :9
[1:32] <hadifarnoud> :(
[1:32] <hadifarnoud> can anyone help? plugging in a USB drive causes my pi to crash. when plugging in, my screen goes black for a sec. how can I find the problem? (I have usbmount)
[1:32] <hadifarnoud> I thought fsck might solve it
[1:32] <maicod> its sunday so you can't order and receive one tomorrow . it will arrive tuesday if u order it today/tomorrow
[1:32] <GriffenJBS> hadifarnoud: have a multimeter?
[1:33] <zgreg> buZz: it's only fast in one direction (RX) and there's lots of cpu overhead
[1:33] <hadifarnoud> unfortunately not
[1:33] <chithead> hadifarnoud: could be poor power supply
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[1:33] <zgreg> all thanks to the crappy USB driver again
[1:33] <buZz> zgreg: ah ok
[1:33] <hadifarnoud> let me check my power amp
[1:33] <buZz> :( sad
[1:33] <maicod> hadifarnoud: do you use an unpowered USB HUB?
[1:33] <buZz> but it can get better over time?
[1:33] <hadifarnoud> no usb hub at all
[1:33] <maicod> OK good
[1:33] <maicod> and does your mouse or keyboard have LEDS ?
[1:33] <chithead> try plugging a powered usb hub in between
[1:33] <GriffenJBS> hadifarnoud: the first thing to check is the PI is getting enough power, many barely are and extra devices pull too much power, so it shuts off
[1:33] <buZz> i think broadcom realized the software support was bad already, and is maybe hoping for us to improve it
[1:33] <buZz> so they can benifit from it later
[1:34] <maicod> I mean if keyboard/mouse has leds it can be too much power drawing
[1:34] <maicod> hadifarnoud: you can measure current between tp1 and tp2 on the Pi board (with a voltmeter set at 20volt scale)
[1:34] <GriffenJBS> hadifarnoud: do you have a powered hub? that can power the devices and help the pi run
[1:34] <hadifarnoud> I unplugged everything still crashes
[1:35] <hadifarnoud> my adapter is 500mA
[1:35] <maicod> hadifarnoud: what is the power supplys rating ?
[1:35] <GriffenJBS> yeh, it's a power problem, you need more than that
[1:35] <maicod> it should be 5volt/1A
[1:35] <maicod> oh right !!!1
[1:35] <buZz> at least 1A ;)
[1:35] <maicod> too low !!!!
[1:35] <GriffenJBS> aim for 750mA min, 1000mA/1A desired
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[1:35] <hadifarnoud> damn u element 5
[1:35] <maicod> get another power supply hadifarnoud
[1:35] <hadifarnoud> the sold bad one then
[1:35] <maicod> yeah !
[1:35] <chithead> you can try undervolting the pi so it draws less power for itself
[1:36] <buZz> email them please hadifarnoud
[1:36] <buZz> demand your monies back
[1:36] <maicod> element5 is farnell ?
[1:36] <hadifarnoud> that sucks! they should know better
[1:36] <GriffenJBS> hadifarnoud: was it part of a kit, or you ordered it at the same time?
[1:36] <buZz> they should
[1:36] <hadifarnoud> yeah
[1:36] <hadifarnoud> it was
[1:36] <maicod> hadi got a power outlet to usb adapter lying around ?
[1:36] <maicod> maybe its rated 1A
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[1:37] <GriffenJBS> it's not there job to fix our orders, but it shouldn't be on as a kit
[1:37] <maicod> such a thing to hookup your audio player or so to charge
[1:37] <hadifarnoud> I have an iphone charger, maybe that's 1A?
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[1:37] <maicod> hadifarnoud: check the text on it
[1:37] <GriffenJBS> I've heard the iphone ones have problems, but it can't work worse, try it
[1:37] <GriffenJBS> what is it rated for?
[1:37] <maicod> but then again you'd need a normal USB to mini USB cable :(
[1:37] <hadifarnoud> yay
[1:37] <hadifarnoud> 1A it says
[1:37] <maicod> cool
[1:37] <maicod> 5 volt ?
[1:37] <GriffenJBS> maicod: yes
[1:38] <hadifarnoud> <3 Apple
[1:38] <hadifarnoud> yeah maicod
[1:38] <maicod> mini usb is very tiny connector
[1:38] <maicod> don't confuse it with micro usb
[1:38] <maicod> ehm I make a mistake
[1:38] <maicod> I meant micro is the smallest
[1:38] <maicod> I think :)
[1:38] <GriffenJBS> the pi is the only thing I have that takes micro, everything else is mini
[1:38] <maicod> yeah it sucks
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[1:39] <buZz> i have soooo much micro now
[1:39] <maicod> I bought a convertor :)
[1:39] <GriffenJBS> not too bad, a typical cable fixes it
[1:39] <Arch-MBP> here in the states everything is micro
[1:39] <plugwash> mini was popular a few years back but it's deprecated
[1:39] <maicod> its a plug with one end a female mini and male micro on other end
[1:39] <buZz> mini never was a real USB standard
[1:39] <buZz> micro is
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[1:39] <GriffenJBS> buZz: too bad so many products were made with it
[1:39] <buZz> yeah
[1:39] <plugwash> buZz, wrong
[1:39] <Xark> hadifarnoud: I have heard that iPhone aren't that great for RPi due to a voltage drop (iPad is much better). This is a bit long, but semi-informative regarding this -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX3kiRUf7mg
[1:39] <buZz> i have soldered so many mini-usb plugs back to pcbs :(
[1:40] <hadifarnoud> cheers Xark
[1:40] <maicod> got the right cable hadifarnoud ?
[1:40] <hadifarnoud> yeah
[1:40] <maicod> cool man !
[1:40] <hadifarnoud> plugged in now
[1:40] <maicod> yoyr Pi will run fine then
[1:40] <plugwash> mini A, mini B and mini AB were a USB standards
[1:40] <hadifarnoud> hopefully it works now
[1:40] <buZz> plugwash: feel free to correct me beside 'wrong' ;)
[1:40] <maicod> hadifarnoud: maybe your fs is corrupted now
[1:40] <plugwash> mini A and mini AB have been removed from the current versions of the standards, mini B is still in there
[1:40] <buZz> plugwash: i thought they were drafts that never got certified and approved?
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[1:40] <hadifarnoud> that was my initial guess
[1:40] <hadifarnoud> cuz it was working fine before
[1:40] <buZz> ah
[1:40] <maicod> hadifarnoud: could still be :)
[1:40] <buZz> ok :)
[1:41] <hadifarnoud> yep
[1:41] <hadifarnoud> can I only check?
[1:41] <maicod> how did you write the image to the SD card in the first place ?
[1:41] <hadifarnoud> at least I'd know the root of the problem
[1:41] <maicod> your sd card reader is broken you said
[1:41] <hadifarnoud> I had a camera, was using that. it's borken now
[1:41] <buZz> used to be unbroken ;)
[1:41] <hadifarnoud> *broken
[1:41] <maicod> oh so you can't rewrite a fresh image onto the SD ?
[1:41] <maicod> :(
[1:42] <hadifarnoud> nope :(
[1:42] <hadifarnoud> stuck with what I have really
[1:42] <IT_Sean> un-break it.
[1:42] <buZz> buy a new SD reader already ;)
[1:42] <maicod> at least order a new usb card reader in the shop !
[1:42] <maicod> hehe
[1:42] <maicod> buzz: LOL we said the same
[1:42] <maicod> ebay sells those for a few bucks
[1:42] <buZz> great minds think alike
[1:42] <maicod> :)
[1:42] <buZz> or fools rarely differ
[1:42] <hadifarnoud> :D ordered
[1:42] <GriffenJBS> I came across a rather strange problem with the pi
[1:42] <maicod> indeed we're probably the latter :))
[1:43] <hadifarnoud> just don't have the patience to wait
[1:43] <maicod> hadifarnoud: let farnell correct your charger problem !
[1:43] <GriffenJBS> trying to show my 9 year old how spiffy it could be I used Q3 demo to show off
[1:43] <buZz> hadifarnoud: you can make an SD reader with an arduino ;)
[1:43] <maicod> they should if it came as a combined order or recommended item for the Pi
[1:43] <hadifarnoud> oh yeah. I will email them for sure
[1:43] <buZz> GriffenJBS: nothing like a 10 year old 3d game ;)
[1:44] <GriffenJBS> ... it was the middle of the afternoon and he put his hand over his face ... oh right, blood, guns, etc... crap, his mother's gonna be mad
[1:44] <maicod> hadifarnoud: did they say it was suitable for the Pi ?
[1:44] <hadifarnoud> it was a recommended part
[1:44] <hadifarnoud> yep
[1:44] <hadifarnoud> on the page itself
[1:44] <maicod> ok then they are forced to replace it IMHO
[1:44] <maicod> stupid of them
[1:44] <GriffenJBS> he loves halo, need something more PG rated (no blood, etc) to use for the demo
[1:44] <hadifarnoud> :) yeah. causing me so much headache
[1:44] <maicod> thanks to apple you are saved for now :)
[1:44] <hadifarnoud> no crash so far
[1:45] <maicod> good
[1:45] <hadifarnoud> working!!!
[1:45] <buZz> GriffenJBS: i think you can edit the blood color ..
[1:45] <maicod> hadi: try e2fsck -n /dev/mmcblk0
[1:45] <hadifarnoud> amazing how power supply causes such weird problems
[1:45] <GriffenJBS> buZz: what about the bodies flying apart?
[1:45] <buZz> gibbing can be turned off
[1:45] <maicod> guys -n is only checking huh?
[1:45] <buZz> fsck --help
[1:45] <maicod> wait for that answer
[1:45] <buZz> ;)
[1:45] <maicod> :)
[1:45] <hadifarnoud> ok
[1:45] <maicod> be carefull with esfsck
[1:45] <maicod> e2fsck
[1:46] <GriffenJBS> buZz: I'll have to look that up, he & mom will appreciate it
[1:46] <maicod> it should only check and NOT repair
[1:46] <maicod> check if the status is clean
[1:46] <maicod> guys has anyone seen KDE on a PI ?
[1:46] <hadifarnoud> no e2fsck, should I install?
[1:47] <maicod> huh?
[1:47] <maicod> what image did you use ?
[1:47] <buZz> GriffenJBS: or you could install some other game? like scummvm?
[1:47] <maicod> raspbian?
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[1:47] <hadifarnoud> yeah
[1:47] <maicod> oh you aren't root ?
[1:47] <maicod> try sudo e2fsck
[1:48] <hadifarnoud> ok
[1:48] <hadifarnoud> cant check I guess
[1:48] <hadifarnoud> e2fsck 1.41.12 (17-May-2010)
[1:48] <hadifarnoud> e2fsck: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/mmcblk0
[1:48] <hadifarnoud> Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program?
[1:49] <maicod> ehm try sudo e2fsck -h
[1:49] <hadifarnoud> I guess I have to wait for that SD reader
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[1:49] <maicod> ofcourse it IS mounted
[1:49] <maicod> that is why we need to only check and not repair it
[1:49] <hadifarnoud> -n Make no changes to the filesystem
[1:49] <maicod> repairing is very dangerous on a mounted partition
[1:49] <maicod> that one yeah !
[1:49] <maicod> I was right :)
[1:49] <maicod> hehe
[1:50] <maicod> sudo e2fsck -n /dev/mmcblk0
[1:50] <hadifarnoud> e2fsck: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/mmcblk0
[1:50] <maicod> oh damn
[1:50] <hadifarnoud> refuses to listen :(
[1:50] <maicod> can you type sudo fdisk -l ?
[1:51] <maicod> I think mmcblk0 is wrong
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[1:51] <maicod> you need the 2nd partitions name
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[1:51] <maicod> wb :)
[1:51] <hadifarnoud> cheers
[1:52] <maicod> can you type sudo fdisk -l ?
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[1:52] <hadifarnoud> yeah
[1:52] <hadifarnoud> its mmcblk0p1
[1:52] <maicod> what is the 2nd partition called ?
[1:52] <hadifarnoud> its mmcblk0p2
[1:52] <hadifarnoud> mmcblk0p3
[1:52] <maicod> ok
[1:52] <hadifarnoud> mmcblk0p3 is rootfs
[1:52] <maicod> sudo e2fsck -n /dev/mmcblkp2
[1:52] <maicod> thats it :)
[1:52] <maicod> sorry for my mistake
[1:52] <maicod> sudo e2fsck -n /dev/mmcblk0p2
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[1:53] <hadifarnoud> e2fsck: Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks...
[1:53] <hadifarnoud> e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/mmcblk0p2
[1:53] <maicod> :(
[1:53] <hadifarnoud> corrupted, right?
[1:53] <maicod> I think it is
[1:53] <hadifarnoud> well, at least we now know
[1:54] <maicod> but did it bootup fine ?
[1:54] <hadifarnoud> yeah
[1:54] <hadifarnoud> working now
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[1:54] <maicod> did u try startx ?
[1:54] <hadifarnoud> just fine
[1:54] <hadifarnoud> I use it for xbmc
[1:54] <maicod> OK
[1:54] <hadifarnoud> working :)
[1:54] <maicod> well not 100 percent sure if the filesys is 'not clean' then
[1:54] <hadifarnoud> for now. I have to take an image of this SD
[1:55] <maicod> got a 2nd SD card handy?
[1:55] <hadifarnoud> crashed a few times. (before I knew power issue) I had to power it off.
[1:55] <hadifarnoud> I ordered one just now
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[1:55] <maicod> OK good
[1:55] <maicod> tomorrow : write it with a image for the PI
[1:55] <maicod> boot from it
[1:55] <maicod> put the other in the usb card reader
[1:56] <hadifarnoud> ok
[1:56] <maicod> insert it in one of the USB ports
[1:56] <maicod> remove the mouse
[1:56] <maicod> you dont need it ;)
[1:56] <maicod> not in console mode
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[1:56] <maicod> and then you can do sudo fdisk -l
[1:56] <hadifarnoud> cool
[1:56] <maicod> see which drive and partition it is called
[1:56] <maicod> its will be different name then mmcblk0p2
[1:56] <hadifarnoud> how can I write an img file of this SD card.
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[1:57] <maicod> since it will be mounted on the USB port
[1:57] <maicod> you mean backup it ?
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[1:57] <hadifarnoud> oh, ok. I'll fdisk -l before
[1:57] <hadifarnoud> yeah
[1:57] <hadifarnoud> cuz I had to fix some stuff on xbmc to work
[1:57] <maicod> you like to backup this 'faulty' card first ?
[1:57] <maicod> ok
[1:57] <hadifarnoud> no after fixing it
[1:58] <maicod> oh ok
[1:58] <hadifarnoud> to share with others :)
[1:58] <maicod> hehehe
[1:58] <maicod> do you use windows ?
[1:58] <hadifarnoud> no
[1:58] <hadifarnoud> mac
[1:58] <maicod> oh ok
[1:58] <maicod> ehm if you use the usb card reader and run vmware on the mac
[1:59] <maicod> and bootup a livecd of linux
[1:59] <hadifarnoud> I do have linux on vmware yeah
[1:59] <maicod> OK
[1:59] <maicod> make sure the usb card reader is taken over by vmware first
[1:59] <maicod> ok ?
[1:59] <hadifarnoud> ok
[1:59] <maicod> so it can reach the device
[1:59] <maicod> you know how huh?
[1:59] <hadifarnoud> yep I know
[1:59] <maicod> click icon on bottom
[1:59] <maicod> and connect ;)
[2:00] <maicod> then boot linux
[2:00] <maicod> also add a hardisk (virtual hdd)
[2:00] <maicod> large enough
[2:00] <maicod> before booting
[2:00] <hadifarnoud> ok
[2:00] <maicod> you know how to make partitions in linux with fdisk ?
[2:00] <hadifarnoud> yep
[2:00] <maicod> ok
[2:00] <maicod> then mkfs :)
[2:00] <maicod> to format it
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[2:01] <maicod> command to backup would be like:
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[2:02] <maicod> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb1/backup.img -bs 1000 or so
[2:02] <maicod> I am not sure what is a good blocksize
[2:02] <hadifarnoud> oh dd
[2:02] <hadifarnoud> ok
[2:02] <hadifarnoud> I know
[2:02] <hadifarnoud> :D thanks maicod
[2:02] <maicod> so if means infile/indevice
[2:02] <maicod> oh you knew dd ?
[2:03] <hadifarnoud> I did it for writing img to sd
[2:03] <hadifarnoud> so it's reverse right?
[2:03] <maicod> yeah
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[2:03] <hadifarnoud> cool
[2:03] <hadifarnoud> thanks man
[2:03] <hadifarnoud> makes sense
[2:03] <maicod> in if you do the device
[2:03] <hadifarnoud> ok
[2:03] <maicod> and of is the filename on the virtual hdd you made
[2:04] <hadifarnoud> ok, got ya
[2:04] <maicod> fdisk -l will tell you the right partition name for that virtual disk
[2:04] <hadifarnoud> :) ok
[2:04] <maicod> cause a file needs to go to a partition ofcourse and not to a drive
[2:04] <hadifarnoud> yeah, obviously :D
[2:04] <maicod> but in if you need just the name of the device like /dev/sda (not /dev/sda1)
[2:04] <maicod> it will backup the whole drive (all partition) to the image file
[2:05] <Ionic`> maicod: gcc is compiling
[2:05] <hadifarnoud> to image all partitions
[2:05] <hadifarnoud> right
[2:05] <hadifarnoud> ?
[2:05] <maicod> yeah
[2:05] <hadifarnoud> got ya
[2:05] <maicod> ionic: Hi :)
[2:05] <maicod> hadifarnoud: so just remember fdisk -l to check on the right names :)
[2:05] <maicod> to see which the sdcard in the usb reader is called :)
[2:06] <hadifarnoud> sure. I'll be carefull
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[2:06] <maicod> and the virtual hdd where you store the image
[2:06] <hadifarnoud> ok
[2:06] <maicod> I guess there must be other ppl around if I'm not here tomorrow (IF you receive the usb reader already then)
[2:07] <maicod> I'm not a pro either huh Ionic :))
[2:07] <hadifarnoud> I doubt ebay that quick.
[2:07] <maicod> ohnoes
[2:07] <hadifarnoud> but sure, IRC is awesome
[2:07] <maicod> ebay sucks
[2:07] <maicod> with speed
[2:07] <hadifarnoud> yeah
[2:07] <maicod> yeah irc is cool
[2:07] <Ionic`> maicod: huh?
[2:07] <maicod> old but still going strong
[2:08] <hadifarnoud> IRC is much more useful than forum. for such issues
[2:08] <maicod> ionic: I thought you were reading my help chat to hadifarnoud
[2:08] <Ionic`> nah not really?
[2:08] <maicod> yeah its the best cause its live
[2:08] <Ionic`> hmm I though wonder what my raspi is doing there
[2:09] <maicod> ionic: oh I just helped hadifarnoud and said that I hope I said it good since I'm not a pro either as you maybe could verify :P
[2:09] <Ionic`> ah
[2:09] <Ionic`> some gcc process is still going, ok
[2:09] <Ionic`> "virtual hdd"?
[2:09] <maicod> ionic: what is it compiling ?
[2:09] <maicod> ionic: vmware
[2:09] <hadifarnoud> what are you compiling Ionic`
[2:09] <MasterGeek> lol
[2:09] <hadifarnoud> gnome?
[2:09] <Ionic`> not -bs 1000
[2:10] <Ionic`> bs=1M
[2:10] <Ionic`> hadifarnoud: GCC
[2:10] <Ionic`> gnu compiler collection :p
[2:10] <hadifarnoud> cool
[2:10] <maicod> hadifarnoud: hadnt you better order the stuff at a webshop in your country that is sure to deliver 'next day' ?
[2:10] <Ionic`> maicod: nope, GCC!
[2:10] <maicod> ionic: ok good
[2:11] <hadifarnoud> comes handy Ionic`
[2:11] <maicod> hadifarnoud: use bs=1M
[2:11] <hadifarnoud> ok, got that
[2:11] <maicod> my mistake :)
[2:11] <Ionic`> hadifarnoud: I'm installing gentoo on that box \o/
[2:11] <hadifarnoud> oh, cool
[2:11] <maicod> ionic: would KDE work on the Pi too?
[2:11] <Ionic`> probably yes, why not?
[2:11] <maicod> instead of gnome
[2:11] <hadifarnoud> done that ages ago on my old compaq
[2:11] <maicod> oh maybe its slow as hell :)
[2:12] <Ionic`> dunno if KDE compiles on ARM but it shouldn't use too much ASM
[2:12] <maicod> OK
[2:12] <Ionic`> oh well
[2:12] <Ionic`> I can't say if it'll work fluently
[2:12] <Ionic`> but I'm pretty sure it will compile
[2:12] <maicod> ionic: I ordered the HUB @ amazon.de
[2:12] <maicod> good huh :)
[2:12] <Ionic`> yeah, I got that yesterday
[2:12] <maicod> oh you didnt reply anymore ;)
[2:12] <maicod> or I missed it
[2:13] <Ionic`> I was afk when you wrote that and you left afterwards
[2:13] <maicod> ok Ionic: I prefer KDE :)
[2:13] <maicod> yeah indeed
[2:13] <maicod> I was tired
[2:13] <maicod> sorry :)
[2:13] <Ionic`> I hate KDE :p
[2:13] <maicod> why?
[2:13] <Ionic`> because I can
[2:13] <maicod> ok :)
[2:13] <hadifarnoud> haha
[2:13] <maicod> and other wm's ?
[2:13] <maicod> which is best ?
[2:13] <hadifarnoud> I love gnome
[2:13] <Ionic`> dunno what's best for you
[2:13] <maicod> OK
[2:13] <Ionic`> I liked GNOME 2 a lot
[2:13] <maicod> ionic: my wifi stick works !!!!!!
[2:14] <Ionic`> maicod: nice
[2:14] <maicod> ionic: my keyboard got stuck though LOL (no hub with power huh
[2:14] <Ionic`> GNOME 3 is meh, unless used in fallback mode
[2:14] <maicod> ionic: I used a hub with no power :)
[2:14] <Ionic`> oh
[2:14] <Ionic`> don't kill the rpi
[2:14] <hadifarnoud> I left linux for mac before gnome 3 :D
[2:15] <maicod> ionic: I configged it under console (etc/wpa.config and etc/network/interface
[2:15] <maicod> ionic: can it hurt ??????
[2:15] <maicod> I thought only too much power could
[2:15] <Ionic`> dunno it could melt the polyfuse
[2:15] <maicod> not too few
[2:15] <maicod> oh well I quit it for now
[2:15] <maicod> it was just a test
[2:15] <maicod> I used the sitecom stick for it
[2:15] <Ionic`> wifi sticks can use up quite a lot of power
[2:15] <maicod> I could lynx a website :)
[2:16] <Ionic`> maicod: my wifi stick stopped working
[2:16] <maicod> in X it keyboard froze :)
[2:16] <hadifarnoud> cool maicod. lynx
[2:16] <maicod> yeah good old lynx :)
[2:16] <maicod> ionic: oh how can such a device break ?
[2:16] <maicod> its not very breakable
[2:16] <Ionic`> it didn't break
[2:16] <Ionic`> the driver broke or something
[2:16] <maicod> its just a chip and some antennae on the circuit board
[2:16] <maicod> oh
[2:17] <Ionic`> after I plugged in the external HDD
[2:17] <maicod> but did you do lsmod etc ?
[2:17] <Ionic`> reading fullspeed from the HDD kills the wifi stick driver or something
[2:17] <Ionic`> sometimes the kernel tries to reset the USB port
[2:17] <maicod> I followed this guide: http://www.raspberrypi-tutorials.co.uk/set-raspberry-pi-wireless-network/
[2:17] <Ionic`> well... sure
[2:17] <maicod> aha so when removing the hdd it works again?
[2:18] <Ionic`> it works even with the HDD attached
[2:18] <maicod> after reboot
[2:18] <maicod> but sometimes...... ?
[2:18] <Ionic`> If I reboot it'll probably work again
[2:18] <maicod> oh rite
[2:18] <Ionic`> but fullspeed reading from HDD crashes my driver
[2:18] <maicod> get a utp cable out for now then :)
[2:18] <maicod> oh maybe a power problem?
[2:18] <Ionic`> sometimes it comes up again, last time it didn't
[2:18] <maicod> too few power
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[2:18] <Ionic`> nope
[2:19] <maicod> damn
[2:19] <Ionic`> the HDD is self-powered
[2:19] <maicod> ionic: I still don't understand this:
[2:19] <Ionic`> I also see bad kernel messages
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[2:19] <maicod> I installed the network-manager stuff and under X I chose the eth0 and dhcp on auto but it still didnt takeover the control for the network devices :(
[2:19] <Ionic`> http://pastie.org/private/opsvg9gvq6nwiv4zh81hq
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[2:20] <maicod> it says its not connected while it IS
[2:20] <Ionic`> that was from running hdparm -tT /dev/sda
[2:20] <Ionic`> ?
[2:20] <Ionic`> eth0 is the LAN device
[2:20] <hadifarnoud> can we use power more than 1A?
[2:20] <maicod> yeah well it should manage that one too won't it ?
[2:20] <Ionic`> hadifarnoud: for what?
[2:20] <Ionic`> maicod: sure
[2:20] <maicod> ionic: so why doesnt it takeover control :)
[2:21] <hadifarnoud> for better performance in case so many usb plugged
[2:21] <Ionic`> dunno
[2:21] <hadifarnoud> just wondering if pi can take more than 1A
[2:21] <Ionic`> maybe your user lacks permissions
[2:21] <maicod> ionic: I tried root startx too
[2:21] <GriffenJBS> hadifarnoud: possible, but it's not rated for it
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[2:21] <Ionic`> hadifarnoud: you will need a powered USB hub in case of high-power USB devices
[2:22] <Ionic`> don't power them over rpi, unless you want to kill the board's USB polyfuse
[2:22] <maicod> ionic: so I need someone else to help me out on network-manager :)
[2:22] <hadifarnoud> ok
[2:22] <GriffenJBS> the max should be about 700mA
[2:22] <maicod> ionic: does it matter my mouse has 2 leds inside ?
[2:23] <hadifarnoud> ok GriffenJBS, so 1A is already over
[2:23] <maicod> those consume milliamps too I guess :)
[2:23] <Ionic`> maicod: uhm mouses and keyboards usually only draw up to 100mA
[2:23] <maicod> oh even with fancy lighting ? :)
[2:23] <Ionic`> well
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[2:24] <Ionic`> check your device
[2:24] <Ionic`> with fancy lighting, no
[2:24] <hadifarnoud> xbmc with iOS remote app! no more laptop connecting to TV. cool
[2:25] <maicod> I could measure it by putting the amps meter in between the plus 5volt line of the usb cord (maybe breakopen an old usb extension cable :P)
[2:25] <GriffenJBS> hadifarnoud: the voltage is the limit to worry about, the amps need to be available
[2:25] <GriffenJBS> amps won't kill a pi, it will use what it needs from the power supply
[2:25] <hadifarnoud> good to know GriffenJBS. cheers
[2:25] <GriffenJBS> just don't plug in your USB hair dryer
[2:26] <hadifarnoud> haha
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[2:26] <hadifarnoud> don't have much hair left anyways :D
[2:26] <maicod> GriffenJBS: do you know X stuff ? network-manager for X
[2:26] <maicod> haha
[2:26] <GriffenJBS> maicod: I don't use X
[2:26] <maicod> oh right it was you who said that yesterday. I was in doubt who it was that told me that ;)
[2:27] <maicod> guess I need to go to linuxhelp for that ;)
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[2:28] <NullMoogleCable> still installing gnome lol
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[2:30] <NullMoogleCable> would the pi run better with a usb video adapter?
[2:30] <chithead> unlikely
[2:30] <Ionic`> maicod: just as an example... my WiFi stick has a maxpower of 500mA (but could draw more, as burst), my irda receiver however has a maxpower of 2mA and the USB HDD maxpower of 0mA
[2:31] <maicod> 0 ?
[2:31] <Ionic`> indeed, zero
[2:31] <maicod> huh
[2:31] <maicod> cause it runs on its own power ?
[2:31] <Ionic`> yep
[2:31] <maicod> Ohhhhhhh
[2:31] <maicod> ofcourse then0 ;)
[2:31] <Ionic`> if you're interested: lsusb -v
[2:31] <maicod> but what do you want to explain to me with that ?
[2:31] <maicod> ah cool
[2:32] <maicod> it says the currents used
[2:32] <maicod> I knew how to do it in windows not in linux
[2:32] <Ionic`> well, MaxPower
[2:32] <Ionic`> doesn't mean it must be maxed out currently
[2:32] <Ionic`> and short bursts of >maxpower are usually forgiven
[2:33] <maicod> my keyboard got 'slow' :)
[2:33] <maicod> when I used the unpowered HUB with mouse/keyboard/wifi :)
[2:33] <maicod> but I understand its dangerous now
[2:34] <maicod> so I don't do it anymore
[2:34] <maicod> they all sleep on linuxhelp :(
[2:34] <Ionic`> normal, i.e., "budget" keyboards are fine
[2:34] <maicod> this one is a wired one
[2:34] <Ionic`> more sophisticated ones could cause problems
[2:34] <maicod> its a cheap one
[2:34] <maicod> 7 bucks :)
[2:34] <maicod> euros
[2:35] <maicod> gonna try another irc network for linuxhelp :)
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[2:36] <maicod> in a 2nd irc client that is :)
[2:36] <Ionic`> that's fine, leave it plugged-in
[2:36] <maicod> brand is called flashget :) (chinese probably)
[2:37] <Ionic`> uhm ok
[2:37] <maicod> so my old ps/2 keyboard isnt recommended I read since the ps2/usb converter (active one) requires 5 volts and pi gives slightly less
[2:38] <maicod> it said that on the verified pheripherals page
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[3:07] <NullMoogleCable> damn ran out of space on my sd card :(
[3:10] <GriffenJBS> NullMoogleCable: have you resized it?
[3:10] <NullMoogleCable> yes X_X
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[3:11] <hotwings> NullMoogleCable language :)
[3:12] <GriffenJBS> hotwings: seriously we're using Q3 for a tech demo and we're worried about that for language?
[3:12] <ziltro> I think it is a smiley of sorts.
[3:13] <NullMoogleCable> hmmm
[3:13] <hotwings> speaking of q3.. has there been any rpi q3 competitions yet?
[3:13] <NullMoogleCable> so how can i migrate to an external harddrive or thumbdrive?
[3:13] <hotwings> cuz ill gladly whip all over any of you :]
[3:13] <ziltro> 'cp' ;)
[3:14] <ziltro> actually you'd have to chose what to move over, say the whole of /usr, then mount the external drive on /usr.
[3:14] <ziltro> Unless your 'big stuff' is in your homedir, then perhaps move /home.
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[3:19] <ReggieUK> NullMoogleCable, just setup the rootfs on your hdd/thumbdrive, make sure the necessary modules are built into the kernel (unless you want to mess with initrd stuff) and tell cmdline.txt where to find the rootfs :)
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[3:23] <PiBot> Sorry about the bot absence was out of town for the week end.
[3:24] <ReggieUK> no worries
[3:24] <PiBot> Seems the bot got dc'ed.
[3:24] <GriffenJBS> lazy bot
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[3:30] <NullMoogleCable> hmmm would it be better to use a harddrive or thumbdrive for the main file system on my pi?
[3:31] <DaQatz> Harddrive
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[3:31] <chithead> depends on the write speed
[3:31] <ziltro> Define 'better'?
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[3:35] <NullMoogleCable> well like if i have a harddrive i have have a swap space
[3:35] <NullMoogleCable> and not destroy my flash
[3:36] <GriffenJBS> having swap doesn't kill flash
[3:36] <GriffenJBS> thrashing your swap does
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[3:38] <chithead> even so, sd cards employ wear leveling internally
[3:40] <maicod_afk> all ?
[3:40] <maicod_afk> GriffenJBS: what do you mean with 'thrashing your swap does kill flash' ?
[3:41] <maicod_afk> hi PiBot
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[3:43] <Sp0tter> alsamixer says there is no capture device, can you not plug a microphone into that audio jack?
[3:44] <maicod> not sure if its a dual port
[3:44] <Sp0tter> i had assumed it was, but its not looking like it
[3:44] <maicod> damn noone here to verify :(
[3:44] <Sp0tter> was hoping to use my raspi as a baby monitor
[3:44] <maicod> LOL
[3:44] <Sp0tter> hehe what?
[3:45] <maicod> thats nice
[3:45] <Sp0tter> looks like you need a usb microphone
[3:45] <GriffenJBS> Sp0tter: you can get usb soundcards
[3:45] <maicod> oh yeah thats indeed an option
[3:45] <Sp0tter> GriffenJBS: yea, more cost and bulkt hough
[3:45] <Sp0tter> bulk
[3:46] <GriffenJBS> $2?
[3:46] <maicod> I got such a device
[3:46] <GriffenJBS> I'm making that up, but some are dirt cheap
[3:46] <maicod> it indeed has a mic input
[3:46] <maicod> http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3379.jpg
[3:46] <maicod> Mine :)
[3:47] <Sp0tter> http://www.amazon.com/Virtual-5-1-surround-External-Sound-Card/dp/B000N35A0Y/ref=pd_bxgy_pc_text_b hehe $1.58 shipped
[3:47] <maicod> LOLz
[3:47] <Sp0tter> takes a precious usb port though
[3:47] <maicod> sp0tter: got a powered hub?
[3:47] <Sp0tter> camera needs one, wifi needs one..
[3:47] <Sp0tter> maicod: yes.. but that would be even more bulk
[3:48] <ReggieUK> you're going to need one
[3:48] <ReggieUK> with a camera and wifi
[3:48] <maicod> well put it all in a self-made casing :)
[3:48] <Sp0tter> when you add all these things i think you really start to lose some of the reasons for having a pi in the first place
[3:48] <ReggieUK> without doubt
[3:48] <ReggieUK> unless you plan on getting a soldering iron outy
[3:48] <maicod> sp0tter: the pi is what it is, it is limited in connections
[3:49] <maicod> its one of the cheapest computers around but indeed all the stuff you need to attach costs u 'alot'
[3:49] <Sp0tter> maicod: sure.. and thats cool, i just don't think "add a usb hub" should be the goto option for anything..
[3:49] <maicod> and that needs a 2nd power plug too
[3:50] <MasterGeek> wut you want for 25$
[3:50] <maicod> 25 $ ????
[3:50] <Sp0tter> when you start adding in the cost of all the accessories, you are getting close to a cheap hudson chipset APU.. like an e-350 board
[3:50] <maicod> 40 euros !
[3:50] <GriffenJBS> Sp0tter: then wait for a Model A and then add the hub
[3:50] * satellit I use a powere 4 port hub for the Pi use it for usb keyboard and mouse
[3:50] <maicod> I paid 40 euros with VAT & shipping
[3:50] <Sp0tter> its not really "$25" .. its $42 shipped.. an e-350 is $80 shipped
[3:50] <satellit> powered*
[3:50] <maicod> sp0tter: right its more ;)
[3:51] <maicod> 25 is a fairytale :)
[3:51] <GriffenJBS> or just buy a baby monitor off the shelf
[3:51] <ReggieUK> like almost double the price
[3:51] <Sp0tter> the only reason i am interested in the pi is the gpio and tiny power use
[3:51] <Sp0tter> ReggieUK: no its not...
[3:51] <MasterGeek> my invoice says 21.60
[3:51] <Sp0tter> usb hub, sd card, external sound card, etc.
[3:51] <maicod> master: probably a companay u got ?
[3:51] <ReggieUK> 42 is about 1/2 of 80
[3:51] <maicod> company
[3:51] <ReggieUK> or did I miss something?
[3:51] <MasterGeek> ?
[3:51] <Sp0tter> ReggieUK: not really
[3:52] <ReggieUK> it is
[3:52] <maicod> MasterGeek: u orderd it on behalf of your business ?
[3:52] <MasterGeek> no from RS
[3:52] <ReggieUK> it doesn't need an external soundcard
[3:52] <ReggieUK> at least not in my house :)
[3:52] <maicod> lemme check my RS bull
[3:52] <maicod> bill
[3:52] <maicod> damn
[3:52] <ReggieUK> I already own lots of sd/microsd cards
[3:53] <ReggieUK> I already own a usb hub
[3:53] <ReggieUK> so it hasn't cost me any extra
[3:53] <Sp0tter> i'm not knocking the pi... its fine for what it is.. just saying "use a usb hub" is silly to me as it negates some of the main features of the pi
[3:53] <Sp0tter> in my opinion
[3:54] <ReggieUK> then you clearly didn't read the faq/readme/wiki/forums before you purchased :)
[3:54] <maicod> http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/Picture542.jpg
[3:54] <Sp0tter> ReggieUK: is it "clear" that i didn't?
[3:54] <ReggieUK> pretty clear :)
[3:54] <maicod> deduct 6.20 euros
[3:54] <MasterGeek> yer thats euros, i paid in sterling ? < pound sign
[3:54] <maicod> yeah lemme convert
[3:55] <maicod> 27,59 euros
[3:55] <maicod> dirt cheap !
[3:55] <maicod> how come ?
[3:55] <MasterGeek> xbmc for 21 quid ? loling all the way to the bank
[3:55] <ReggieUK> if you'd read about the usb then you'd already be aware that the usb ports will *only* supply 100ma per port and will be suitable for keyboards/mice and other low power devices, essentially, anything else will need a powered hub
[3:56] <maicod> does the 21.60 GBP include the VAT+postage?
[3:56] <ReggieUK> unless you get a soldering iron out
[3:56] <MasterGeek> lol no
[3:56] <maicod> oooh
[3:56] <maicod> LOL
[3:57] <maicod> whats the total you paid ?
[3:57] <maicod> VAT+postage included
[3:58] <MasterGeek> 21.60 + shipping 4.95 < rip off on posting 8 miles it had to come, + 4.32 tax < but can git that back
[3:58] <maicod> LOL :)
[3:58] <MasterGeek> a fiver to git 8 miles
[3:58] <maicod> okay so 21.60+4.95+4.32
[3:58] <maicod> yeah stupid
[3:59] <maicod> couldnt u fetch it there?
[3:59] <maicod> where's RS located btw ?
[3:59] <maicod> I paid 6.28 euros for short flight to NL :)
[4:00] <MasterGeek> i duno if you had yours from RS, but they idiots, seriously !
[4:00] <maicod> yeah mine is from RS
[4:00] <maicod> see invoice :)
[4:00] <maicod> oh I cut it off :)
[4:00] <maicod> sorry
[4:00] <maicod> btw I got another one from element14 too
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[4:00] <maicod> it was 3 euros more expensive in total
[4:00] <MasterGeek> not bad, tho
[4:01] <maicod> mastergeek: did u see my picture with my 2 Pi's side by side already?
[4:01] <maicod> I pasted the link yesterday so you might've already seen it :)
[4:02] <MasterGeek> yer
[4:02] <maicod> hehe
[4:02] <Crenn-NAS> RASPBERRY PIS! http://www.flickr.com/photos/superroach/7669143054/in/set-72157630786356334/
[4:02] <maicod> haha some on the picture look menacing :)
[4:03] <maicod> probably you huh Crenn-NAS :)
[4:03] <Crenn-NAS> I didn't take the pictures, but I am in it ;D
[4:03] <maicod> yeah guessed so :)
[4:03] <MasterGeek> omg, ugly fellas
[4:03] <MasterGeek> lol
[4:03] <MasterGeek> ;)
[4:03] <Crenn-NAS> MasterGeek: Which one? ;P
[4:03] <maicod> you're not wearing the shirts ;)
[4:04] <maicod> the Farnell shirts :)
[4:04] <maicod> element14
[4:04] <MasterGeek> :D
[4:05] <maicod> Crenn-NAS: http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/IMG_3530.jpg
[4:05] <maicod> 2 Piedipies :)
[4:06] <MasterGeek> I seen some guy walking around the town with a "Pirates Luv Raspberry Pie T-shirt" last week with a pic of a pirate eating a raspberry pie
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[4:07] <Crenn-NAS> maicod: I didn't get one!
[4:08] <MasterGeek> yer, my bro got one he ordered from farnels
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[4:08] <maicod> Crenn-NAS: :( did u order from farnell?
[4:08] <Crenn-NAS> e14
[4:08] <maicod> yeah silicon :)
[4:08] <Crenn-NAS> Maybe it will come with my 2nd pi
[4:09] <maicod> element14=silicon :)
[4:09] <maicod> OK hope so although the shirt feels a little ehm scrubby on skin
[4:09] <maicod> cheap fabric
[4:09] <maicod> element14 of periodic table is silicon :P
[4:09] <Crenn-NAS> I got 3 new shirts over the weekend anyway ;P
[4:10] <maicod> not pi-shirts ?
[4:10] <Crenn-NAS> Nope
[4:10] <Crenn-NAS> That wasn't a e14 or RS event
[4:10] <Crenn-NAS> It was a BarCamp!
[4:10] <maicod> oh rite
[4:11] <maicod> barcamp is computing and alcohol ? :)
[4:11] <maicod> LAN party :)
[4:11] <Crenn-NAS> Not quite
[4:11] <maicod> oh :)
[4:11] <Crenn-NAS> It's an unorganised conference xD
[4:11] <maicod> OK where ? melbourne?
[4:11] <MasterGeek> no beer ?
[4:11] <Crenn-NAS> There was Booze though on Saturday night xD
[4:11] <MasterGeek> wuts the point
[4:11] <Crenn-NAS> maicod: Yep!
[4:11] <maicod> hehe cool
[4:11] <Crenn-NAS> MasterGeek: I don't drink ;P
[4:12] <MasterGeek> oh
[4:12] <MasterGeek> ok
[4:12] <maicod> crenn: we're almost on opposit sides of the globe :)
[4:12] <Crenn-NAS> maicod: Where are you located? Melbourne?
[4:12] <maicod> no :) Netherlands
[4:12] <Crenn-NAS> Ah ok, hello from Australia then!
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[4:12] <maicod> yeah internet is a wonder huh:)
[4:12] <maicod> live chat over so long distances :)
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[4:13] <maicod> Netherlands a small but nice place :)
[4:13] <Crenn-NAS> I know right!
[4:13] <Crenn-NAS> I chat to people all over the world, always interesting
[4:13] <maicod> not so good weather though :)
[4:13] <Crenn-NAS> Actually chatted to someone german yesterday
[4:14] <maicod> oh rite
[4:14] <maicod> Ionic?
[4:14] <Crenn-NAS> Melbourne currently doesn't have the best weather in the world
[4:14] <maicod> oh aha
[4:14] <maicod> its winter right now huh
[4:14] <MasterGeek> well if your all showing pic of your pi, take a look at me Pi-Phone > http://thepifactory.org/images/piphone/top%20down.jpg
[4:14] <Crenn-NAS> maicod: Not really, just he was at the BarCamp and we talked for a short bit
[4:14] <maicod> ah OK
[4:14] <maicod> locally you meant not over internet :)
[4:14] <Crenn-NAS> maicod: Yep, it's flamin freezing
[4:14] <Crenn-NAS> Yeah ;D
[4:15] <maicod> LOL is that Arduino MasterGeek ?
[4:15] <Crenn-NAS> MasterGeek: That board brought to you by hutchison
[4:15] <MasterGeek> no its a gsm/gprs/3g/ dev board
[4:15] <Crenn-NAS> maicod: Too small to be an arduino
[4:15] <maicod> Crenn-NAS: :(
[4:16] <maicod> oh well there are quite small ones
[4:16] <Crenn-NAS> Level converter/buffer maybe
[4:16] <maicod> mine is a larger one (mega 2560)
[4:16] <MasterGeek> http://thepifactory.org/index.php/the-pi-phone-2 <
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[4:17] <MasterGeek> is a dev board to teach kids the guts of mobile phones
[4:17] <maicod> cool stuff MasterGeek
[4:17] <maicod> is it RF safe for humans in the vincinity?
[4:17] <maicod> aha cool
[4:17] <Crenn-NAS> I have a old Arduino Demilonova, a old Arduino Mega (ATMega1280), a LEaflabs Maple r3, a Leaflabs Maple Mini r2 and that's it for 'arduino like things'
[4:17] <maicod> LOL Crenn-NAS
[4:17] <Crenn-NAS> Lol?
[4:18] <maicod> just to say cool that you got all of those
[4:18] <MasterGeek> its a mobile phone, people hold em up to there heads allz the time
[4:18] <maicod> MasterGeek: yeah but then its more ehm 'cased'
[4:19] <MasterGeek> well the rf is all incased, in the mod
[4:19] <maicod> oh i see
[4:19] <GriffenJBS> 'cased' is not a rf shield
[4:19] <Crenn-NAS> Hooray, another Joomla user!
[4:19] <maicod> oh that RF tin ?
[4:19] <GriffenJBS> remember this signal goes miles through cars and walls... a little plastic won't hold it
[4:19] <maicod> same as on my TV tuner cards in my pc :)
[4:20] <MasterGeek> its licenced and meets all the eec standerds, so ill go with it
[4:20] <GriffenJBS> doesn't matter it doesn't hurt people
[4:20] <MasterGeek> and its on the desk too
[4:20] <maicod> MasterGeek: I was just wondering about the RF , not meaning to 'speak less' of your project !
[4:20] <MasterGeek> not like your going to hold a pi up to your head and lear to code it on the fly
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[4:20] <maicod> LOL
[4:20] <GriffenJBS> holding a microwave band phone to my head for a few minutes of convo doesn't bother me, holding it in my pants all day is bothersome
[4:21] <Crenn-NAS> GriffenJBS: Sure it does, mobiles turn people in to blind distracted zombies who have a tendency to walk into things like lamp posts
[4:21] <MasterGeek> no i understan no offence taken
[4:21] <Crenn-NAS> It hurts lots of people
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[4:21] <maicod> Crenn-NAS: thats cause they can't do 2 things at once
[4:21] <GriffenJBS> Crenn-NAS: videos or it didn't happen ;-P
[4:21] <maicod> typical human problem :)
[4:21] <maicod> MasterGeek: so you're good in electronics I can see !
[4:22] <maicod> is the Power supply caseless to show its guts to the kids too?
[4:22] <Ionic`> maicod: hm?
[4:22] <maicod> ionic: whats up ?
[4:23] <Ionic`> you hilighted me?
[4:23] <maicod> oh ages ago maybe ?
[4:23] <maicod> lemme see
[4:23] <MasterGeek> yer, i can find my way around a schematic and i got loads of gaffa tape and super glue ;)
[4:23] <Ionic`> 10 minutes ago
[4:23] <maicod> oh yeah
[4:23] <maicod> Crenn-NAS said he talked to a german
[4:23] <Ionic`> ah
[4:23] <Ionic`> nah
[4:23] <maicod> I said : was it you :)
[4:24] <Ionic`> sorry, misinterpreted it
[4:24] <maicod> :)
[4:24] <maicod> no worrie
[4:24] <maicod> MasterGeek: hahaah. the PSU open like that can give u a jolt of 240 LOL
[4:25] <MasterGeek> well the PS, was a quick fix, cus the mod needs 2000mz @ peek, so i ripped it from a BT Vision set top box, while i waited for a POS to arrive
[4:25] <MasterGeek> ma
[4:25] <maicod> ah I see ;)
[4:25] <NullMoogleCable> Anyone got any ideas or a step-by-step process to create a bootable SD card that switches to the USB for the filesystem?
[4:25] <maicod> hey does anyone think RS components is the same as RadioShack ?
[4:25] <MasterGeek> was using 1A phone charger but it started to smoke
[4:26] <maicod> o :)
[4:26] <MasterGeek> :)
[4:26] <maicod> it didnt just 'not deliver' ?
[4:26] <maicod> it shouldve
[4:26] <MasterGeek> yer, it was doing the job, just cant stand the smell of burning plastic
[4:26] <maicod> hehe nope
[4:27] <maicod> like when I burnt my finger on a hot BC547 :)
[4:27] <maicod> I'd probably cooked that transistor :)
[4:27] <maicod> it was dead afterwards :)
[4:29] <maicod> MasterGeek: can one see GPIO like the input pins of a Arduino or is it different stuff?
[4:29] <maicod> I see you hooked up those pins on the Pi
[4:31] <MasterGeek> yer the module is uart/python engine, so the breadboard is just a max232cpe
[4:32] <MasterGeek> gpio was just to reset the mod, and i too out 4 w from the mod for opamps mic in and out, it has cam io to and 40 more gpios, from the onboard arm11
[4:33] <MasterGeek> can drive an LCD on its own
[4:33] <MasterGeek> waiting for 3" to arrive
[4:33] <maicod> alright understood half of it . but don't worry :)
[4:33] <maicod> I'm not that an electronics crack as u seem to be :)
[4:34] <maicod> can I see the pics in the article in a larger size ?
[4:34] <MasterGeek> im not, at all, i learned all this in a few months
[4:34] <maicod> like the one you showed
[4:34] <maicod> OK :)
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[4:37] <Crenn-NAS> Last line of an article called "Buttocks burnt as cracker stunt backfires" is a bit of an understatement
[4:37] <Crenn-NAS> "And apparently they're not designed for that particular placement."
[4:37] <maicod> where did u read That ? :)
[4:37] <MasterGeek> Just think its a good idea as an educational project for educators to teach the nitty gritty of phone dev, my 9 year olds, been hammering away at it for 4 days trying to send sms msg on it, :) she hasnt got the the part wherre she nees to register it on the network first, but shes learning a shed load about AT command sets, and uart along the way
[4:38] <maicod> LOL Hayes :)
[4:38] <maicod> ATH/ATDP/ATX etc.
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[4:39] <maicod> good old days of analog modem :)
[4:39] <Crenn-NAS> maicod: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-30/man27s-bottom-explodes-as-party-trick-backfires/4163238
[4:40] <MasterGeek> yer hayes, but its V extended to cover 3g gsm gprs,gps i the total command set is around 13,000 commands give or take a few 100
[4:40] <MasterGeek> 638 pages of em
[4:40] <maicod> to his private bits LOL
[4:40] <maicod> MasterGeek: ah I see
[4:41] <maicod> MasterGeek: so mobile phones use that command set all the time?
[4:41] <maicod> never knew :)
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[4:41] <maicod> Crenn-NAS: we may only light fireworks @ new year
[4:42] <MasterGeek> i revamped some of the old modem stuff, and re worked the code for the pi, i built a contacts book, a dialer, sms, server/spammer :( yer i know my bad, but someone asked
[4:42] <maicod> omg ;)
[4:42] <GriffenJBS> HAHA a Darwin man
[4:42] <MasterGeek> half way through the SDK now,
[4:43] <maicod> MasterGeek: you're a busy guy :)
[4:43] <MasterGeek> insomniac
[4:43] <MasterGeek> hahaha
[4:43] <maicod> they didnt place a picture of the guy and rather chose for a more general hospital sign picture LOL
[4:43] <maicod> oh :)
[4:44] <maicod> territory day is like when NT got established?
[4:44] <Crenn-NAS> GriffenJBS: Needs an award you think?
[4:45] <Crenn-NAS> No idea, we don't talk about NT
[4:45] <maicod> oh you don't like 'em ? :)
[4:45] <MasterGeek> Im building the PiFactory Hub too for Pi User groups, free hosting for PUGS , place to pake projects/meeting space, chatroom linked to here just need more hours in the day
[4:45] <maicod> its yer fellow countrymen :)
[4:45] <MasterGeek> park / pake
[4:46] <Crenn-NAS> maicod: Noone does xD
[4:47] <maicod> MasterGeek: oh the pifactory is yours ;) I thought you were just using it as a place to put your project
[4:47] <Crenn-NAS> It's a dustbowl... only city I know where there is red dirt in the middle of it (take a look at google street view to see what I mean)
[4:47] <maicod> Crenn-NAS: I've never seen australians as in 'different per area' :)
[4:47] <maicod> for me its all the same :)
[4:47] <Crenn-NAS> maicod: Hehe, fair enough
[4:48] <Crenn-NAS> For Australians, we like to bicker about which state is better ;P
[4:48] <maicod> Crenn-NAS: North is hotter than south in australia huh
[4:48] <maicod> oh :)
[4:48] <Crenn-NAS> btw, Melbourne is better than Sydney ;D
[4:48] <Crenn-NAS> But I could be biased in the matter
[4:48] <maicod> hehe
[4:48] <MasterGeek> well there are 5 of us in our local UG so we all chipped in some cash, and paid for the server for 3 years, and open sourced it, anyone can have there own section/pages/admin/edit it like a wiki,
[4:48] <maicod> understandably yea
[4:48] <maicod> I'd say the same about NL ofc
[4:49] <Crenn-NAS> maicod: Generally it is hotter in the nothern parts of Australia, but not always
[4:49] <maicod> oh OK
[4:49] <Crenn-NAS> Especcially during a hurricane
[4:49] <maicod> that sucks
[4:49] <maicod> also the inlands are more hot I guess
[4:49] <maicod> like alice springs area
[4:49] <Crenn-NAS> And very dry
[4:49] <maicod> dessert
[4:49] <Crenn-NAS> It almost never rains there
[4:49] <maicod> or is it desert ;P
[4:49] <maicod> :*
[4:50] <maicod> :(
[4:50] <maicod> glad I live here then :)
[4:50] <Crenn-NAS> maicod: desert if it's dry, dessert if it's yummy ;D
[4:50] <maicod> okay thanks for clearing that up
[4:50] <maicod> I'm not english native so sorry :)
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[4:51] <maicod> crenn: the queen of the commonwealth looked bored at the olympics show
[4:51] <MasterGeek> yer Im English Not British, :P
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[4:51] <maicod> MasterGeek: heeheh you hate the welsh/scotts :)
[4:52] <maicod> northirishmen
[4:52] <MasterGeek> no i dislike the "british", everyone else is ok
[4:52] <maicod> where u live MAster ?
[4:52] <maicod> what is british then?
[4:52] <maicod> who is
[4:52] <MasterGeek> Birmingham/UK
[4:52] <maicod> everyone is british there except the irish :)
[4:52] <maicod> ah birmingham in the middle
[4:52] <MasterGeek> the british, are the Queen and all her sicophants
[4:52] <Crenn-NAS> maicod: Not an issue at all ^-^
[4:52] <maicod> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the royals
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[4:53] <maicod> yeah she was really bored and her opening of the games sounded like it was just another unimportant thing to do
[4:53] <MasterGeek> royals/bankers/2 Sq miles of the city of london,, like the vatican/italy
[4:54] <MasterGeek> ^^ The British
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[4:54] <maicod> I see :)
[4:54] <maicod> the City is like another state in a state then :)
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[4:55] <MasterGeek> wut i want to see is when scotland follow the irish and the welsh and devolve, there is only england left to devolve, and the british will be exiled to the 2 Sq miles of gtfo
[4:55] <maicod> ehehe
[4:55] <MasterGeek> of/or
[4:55] <MasterGeek> ;)
[4:55] <maicod> MasterGeek: so with british you mean a certain kind of annoyingly rich ppl :)
[4:56] <maicod> Royals and all the other crap around them :)
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[4:57] <heathkid> ...and how does this relate to the rpi?
[4:57] <maicod> not :)
[4:57] <heathkid> anyone have wifi working yet?
[4:57] <heathkid> usb dongle....
[4:57] <maicod> there were no outstanding Pi questions so it was chat time
[4:57] <MasterGeek> no if you look at the history, "Briton" was formed from when the romans invaded, technicialy isnt England
[4:58] <maicod> MasterGeek: yeah bretagne=briton :)
[4:58] <MasterGeek> yer
[4:58] <maicod> hehe
[4:58] <maicod> so they are french :)
[4:58] <MasterGeek> f()&()*& the british, war mongers
[4:58] <maicod> BUT the windsors are Germans :)
[4:58] <MasterGeek> eggzactly
[4:58] <MasterGeek> GTFO
[4:58] <MasterGeek> lolol
[4:59] <maicod> their name isnt even Windsor for real!
[4:59] <maicod> I don't recall what their name was but I know it isnt windsor
[4:59] <maicod> Queen Beatrix is german too :)
[4:59] <maicod> and most of her relatives have something german in their bloods
[4:59] <MasterGeek> thers a large growing republican, movement in the uk, it wont be long now
[4:59] <maicod> aha
[5:00] <maicod> why is she acting so bored on such an important occasion. its like holding the rest of the ppl for idiots
[5:00] <maicod> I mean your Queen
[5:00] <MasterGeek> there is talk of opening an english parliament with Birminghah as its center
[5:00] <MasterGeek> ham
[5:01] <maicod> aha
[5:01] <MasterGeek> that will piss the British off when theres no one left to rule
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[5:02] <MasterGeek> every place on eart has told the british to go take a hike so,
[5:03] <maicod> :)
[5:03] <maicod> I will be afk now
[5:03] <maicod> ttyl
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[5:05] <GriffenJBS> welcome back KeyCat
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[5:09] <KeyCat> thx mate :)
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[6:12] <NullMoogleCable> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller#Installing_to_USB_disk
[6:12] <NullMoogleCable> :)
[6:12] <NullMoogleCable> this is making me very happy
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[6:23] <MycoRunner> when I get a linux box that actually has a video output i'll be happy
[6:23] <MycoRunner> i guess i could put it on a pc...
[6:23] <MycoRunner> but a raspberry pi would be perfecter
[6:24] <Platz> with the 'C library for Broadcom BCM 2835' to access hardware SPI, does this mean the pi can compete with an arduino?
[6:25] <Platz> in terms of interfacing with components
[6:25] <Platz> http://www.open.com.au/mikem/bcm2835/
[6:27] <phire> with the pi running linux, its going to be less realtime than an arduino
[6:28] <phire> which may or may not be an issue
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[6:28] <Platz> thats what i'd heard, i guess there's no way around that
[6:32] <phire> not true
[6:32] <KeyCat> Platz: By using bcm2835 lib you get access to I/O pins
[6:33] <KeyCat> so yes you can do stuff like Arduino dies
[6:33] <phire> just write your program to run on the bare metal, directly accessing the SPI registers
[6:33] <Platz> KeyCat: would that be suprior to gordon's wiringpi library? or would they be the same
[6:33] <Platz> phire: heh, well i guess there is that
[6:33] <phire> and it will be real time
[6:34] <phire> and much faster than arduino
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[6:34] <KeyCat> I don't know I have just installed both of them and trying to get them working in Gambas
[6:34] <phire> you can also install a realtime build of linux
[6:34] <KeyCat> guess they are quite similar
[6:35] <Platz> KeyCat: I am thinking so
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[6:39] <Solmyr> How's everybody doing tonight?
[6:39] <Solarbaby> :)
[6:40] <KeyCat> night? it's early morning here ;)
[6:41] <Solmyr> What time reference are we going by?
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[6:41] <Solmyr> i would suppose it's 5:00 somewhere
[6:42] <Netham45> Can the audio lines on the RPi accept variable voltage in too?
[6:42] <KeyCat> Sol: yea probably but here it's time for the morning java
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[6:44] <Solmyr> I just recently picked up a pair of pi's though i'm still trying to get ahold of the proper power adapters
[6:45] <Solmyr> from what i've read it's best to use 700mA and supplies 1A
[6:45] <Solmyr> is pretty much everybody running them using those specs?
[6:46] <KeyCat> the higher the better... myself have stability issues with a Samsung Galaxy charger
[6:47] <KeyCat> the Pi works fine when using my labsupply @ 5.40 V but frequently freezes with the USB charger
[6:47] <tos9> iPhone charger for me, working fine.
[6:47] <Netham45> I use a Galaxy S II charger with mine
[6:47] <Netham45> works fine
[6:47] <KeyCat> did you buy from RS or Farnell?
[6:47] <MycoRunner> how much does it draw under load?
[6:47] <Solmyr> I just don't want to overload the board. i'm getting a external-powered usb hub so that I can use USB HD's
[6:47] <Solmyr> Farnell
[6:47] <Netham45> Can't recall
[6:47] <Netham45> was so long ago I ordered it
[6:48] <KeyCat> I think there was diffs between RS and farnell ver
[6:48] <KeyCat> and I got a RS
[6:48] <Netham45> Newark/element14
[6:48] <Solmyr> yea, that would be Farnell :)
[6:48] <KeyCat> Myco: my Pi draw 370 mA idle and around 450 load, no USB attached
[6:49] <KeyCat> 450 mA
[6:49] <sheppard> KeyCat: using ethernet?
[6:49] <KeyCat> yes
[6:49] <MycoRunner> wow thats it?
[6:49] <Netham45> Yea, I was able to power mine off of the USB on my tablet too
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[6:49] <Solmyr> Does anybody do bare-metal coding on the thing?
[6:49] <KeyCat> yes looking at my labsupplu now - 370 mA @ 5.40 V
[6:50] <Netham45> Does anyone foresee any issues with bridging the 5v input with the 5v output on the USB directly
[6:50] <phire> Solmyr, #raspberrypi-osdev
[6:50] <Netham45> to get around the 140mA limit on the USB ports
[6:50] <Solmyr> gotcha
[6:51] <KeyCat> what I read is that ppl just shorted the fuses on PCB
[6:51] <Netham45> That may work too
[6:51] <KeyCat> to workaround that but I have not done it myself
[6:51] <Netham45> I've got a 1000mA supply I'd like to use without needing a hub
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[6:53] <MycoRunner> USB has a 140mA limit?
[6:53] <KeyCat> for lowpower USB devices USB spec is 100 mA IIRC
[6:54] <KeyCat> 500 mA after neg
[6:54] <maicod> hi when I type 'apt-get install networkmanager' I get the message 'segmentation faulty tree'. Anyone seen this message and knows what it means ?
[6:54] <MycoRunner> And here I was planning on making a USB to Sata HDD power cable
[6:54] <MycoRunner> well external HDDs must draw more than 500 mA
[6:56] <Netham45> 500mA is enough to power some laptop drives
[6:57] <Solmyr> You might be safe if you use one of those hard drive recover type setups with that, they will come with their own way to power the drive, and then just use the USB for communications
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[6:59] <voidn> Good morning.
[7:02] <MycoRunner> i'll just wire it up and hope nothing breaks
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[7:22] <Gabtendo> 991 and 997 are SEXY primes
[7:22] <Gabtendo> I mean shit
[7:22] <Gabtendo> just look at them
[7:22] <Gabtendo> ^.^
[7:22] <Gabtendo> My RPi still doesn't ship until August 13th
[7:22] <Gabtendo> :(
[7:23] <Solmyr> got mine in 2 weeks, was quite surprised about that
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[7:25] <yehnan> hi, I'm trying to rebuild Clozure CL for raspberry pi(2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.img). After svn downing trunk source files, I use "./armcl --no-init" and "(rebuild-ccl :full t)" to start rebuild. But failed with error message http://pastebin.com/mtthELUp
[7:26] <yehnan> Can somebody provide suggestions? thanks.
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[7:51] <Gabtendo> Solmyr: Where'd you order from?
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[8:13] <yehnan> well, I found the cause, to fix it: modify ccl/lisp-kernel/linuxarm/float_abi.mk, change FLOAT_ABI = softfp to FLOAT_ABI = hard.
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[8:47] <DexterLB> I'm trying to get xbmc working on arch, and I got the binaries from this thread: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=3004&start=80
[8:47] <DexterLB> but now when I try to start xbmc it just hangs
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[9:19] <Pe3k> hello, what is the simplest way for getting jpg from /dev/video0 (webcam)?
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[9:29] <booyaa> Pe3k: let me know when you find out, i suspect it'll involve ffmpeg and v4l. so far i've been using motion, but it's overkill
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[9:30] <Jck_true> Pe3k: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Webcam-HOWTO/framegrabbers.html
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[9:42] <[SLB]> Pe3k, i like fswebcam
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[9:49] <Pe3k> Jck_true:thanks
[9:52] <Jck_true> Anybody experimented with an easy to use notification system? I plan to use a raspi for as a download client but i would like to get notified across my devices.... laptop - desktop
[9:52] <Jck_true> IRC bots feels a bit overkill - And using Twitter just seems like misuse
[9:53] <Sm0ke0ut> growl?
[9:54] <Jck_true> Sm0ke0ut: Ohhhhhh :D That's the Mac thingy right
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[9:58] <booyaa> Jck_true: i use prowl
[9:58] <booyaa> Jck_true: i think its only for ios notifications though
[9:59] <booyaa> mind you i don't want to be spammed with the same info frmo several sources
[9:59] <Arch-MBP> most wireless providers support sending sms via email
[9:59] <Arch-MBP> why not use that?
[10:00] <Sm0ke0ut> it works on windows/linux as well
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[10:03] <Jck_true> Yeah :/ it's a bit of a cluttered world in the notifications area - I remember using Growl for Windows back in the days
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[10:07] <t7> why does this channel require Nickserv ident?
[10:07] <booyaa> t7: to stop people causing grief
[10:08] <t7> this is the only channel i frequent that requires it
[10:08] <reider59> Because otherwise someone comes in, swears like a trooper, gets banned and rejoins under another nick-for one reason
[10:08] <booyaa> what that man said
[10:08] <t7> ignore trolls and they are powerless
[10:08] <[SLB]> like a trooper lol
[10:08] <t7> no need to fill up the banlist
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[10:22] <Arch-MBP> t7: i have a few that require it
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[10:25] <reider59> It's no great problem, set it for auto entry and forget it. Sometimes it needs a delay or pause set.
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[10:50] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[10:53] <booyaa> hihi gordonDrogon
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[10:55] <booyaa> well i found one down side since switching to wifi (my pi was plugged straight into the router). if i need to bounce the router, pi doesn't try to renew the dhcp lease
[10:55] <booyaa> no doubt there's a config for that
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[11:03] <Skunk> hi all
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[11:09] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, give it a static IP address on wifi?
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[11:36] <booyaa> will give it a go, leases on my router are a week long though.
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[12:13] <mirf> wow, busy in here!#
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[12:16] <booyaa> Crenn-NAS *hug* that should bring your quota up
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> monday morning quietness and I have to pop out to see a client :)
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[12:30] <Skunk> hi all i read a tutorial on creating and running a python programe on startup which all seems easy enough, but im a C# developer is it just as easy to do that does any one know
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[12:33] <Crenn-NAS> booyaa: Buhahahaha
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[12:35] <osfd> Hi guys. Do you know where I can get this: http://amzn.to/MDGCU3 in a linux readable format, please...
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[12:36] <jaxdahl> there is a browser based version
[12:36] <jaxdahl> of the kindle reader
[12:37] <osfd> jaxdahl: where that ?
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[12:38] <osfd> possible to make kindle format to PDF conversion ?
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[12:38] <jaxdahl> it's on http://reader.amazon.com or something
[12:39] <jaxdahl> https://read.amazon.com/
[12:39] <jaxdahl> i use calibre in windows to do kindle->pdf or other
[12:39] <jaxdahl> i don't know if a linux equivalent exists
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[12:40] <osfd> jaxdahl: calibre actually exists for linux...
[12:40] <Civil|2> jaxdahl: calibre - cross-platform utility, for windows, linux, macos
[12:40] <Civil|2> afaik linux is was it's native platform
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[12:57] * booyaa uses calibre to free his kindle books of their drm. let's me read it elsewhere.
[12:58] <booyaa> also the mobi to epub vica versa conversion is pretty good
[12:59] <osfd> booyaa: and how do you manage to dl books from amazon (if you do so)
[12:59] <osfd> it looks like you must register a device and/or an app...
[12:59] <booyaa> osfd: slightly convoluted, i use the osx amazon app
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[13:00] <booyaa> download the books, nab the amz files
[13:01] * osfd threw up -- sorry...
[13:01] <booyaa> one problem i've found with calibre is the frequent updates. it usually kills all your settnigs for the drm remover so you have to reconfig
[13:02] <booyaa> osfd: ewww, i think (it's been a while since i removed drm) you need to nab the kindle id from your amazon kindle app, but there's lots of pointers on how to do this
[13:02] <osfd> booyaa: this is not normal/legal/easy way
[13:03] <osfd> so I won't do it and won't read the book. Not worth it
[13:03] <osfd> such a shame: "meet the raspberry pi"
[13:03] <booyaa> circumventing drm irrespective of if you own it or not isn't legal
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[13:04] <booyaa> it's a shame the book isn't available in drm free form, o'reilly's books are all drm free
[13:04] <osfd> booyaa: not my point. My point is, if it's not sold as free and open source format, F***K it !
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[13:06] <booyaa> so why not ask the authors to release it on a drm free platform? i suspect they choice the kindle because it's really easy to self publish
[13:06] <booyaa> no infrastructure overheads
[13:07] <osfd> booyaa: I don't get why a book about raspberry is published in such a format
[13:10] <Crenn-NAS> Because it's easy to find for 99% of normal people?
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[13:14] <sam> how do you guys profile GL applications on the Pi?
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[13:14] <sam> with those weird async and out-of-process drivers I find it hard to figure out what's going on
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[13:23] <[diablo]> Good afternoon #raspberrypi
[13:23] <[diablo]> I've got mine on order currently, can't wait to get it? but I've got a question...
[13:24] <[diablo]> currently I have a WDTV Live which I use daily for all my media. I hear XMBC (?) is very good and works on the Raspberry Pi? my question is, how well?
[13:25] <buZz> i feel really sad thinking of all the raspi that end up as xbmc host :(
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[13:26] <RaYmAn> buZz: doesn't matter much anymore at least - the availability should be sufficiently good (given they opened multiple orders)
[13:27] <buZz> true
[13:27] <buZz> but its like ppl cementing arduinos into the wall as a led blinkie
[13:27] <buZz> ruining potential, not only for the hardware, but for themselves aswell
[13:27] <Tachyon`> nobody has actually done that surely
[13:28] <jaeckel> because it's a led blinkie for them?
[13:28] <buZz> i dno
[13:28] <jaeckel> there's no need to use all the potential of a product I think, as long as the owner is happy with what he got
[13:28] <Tachyon`> well, ther'es no need but it's generally better if they do
[13:28] <buZz> sometimes i feel like 50% of raspis just gets xbmc run on it, and never looked at it
[13:29] <buZz> just makes me sad ;(
[13:29] <jaeckel> me too, but these ppl are happy :)
[13:30] <lupinedk> how to shrink a image on windows made with win32diskimage? Apparantly two 16GB SD cards differs in size it they are from different brands ;)
[13:31] <slartsa> you mean 1000b vs. 1024b?
[13:31] <chithead> no, the difference is most likely in the number of reserve blocks
[13:31] <lupinedk> dunno, the sector count i different
[13:32] <lupinedk> the kingston is a bit larger than the sandisk one
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[13:32] <lupinedk> and wanted to try the sandisk card, as it is supposed to be at bit faster
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[13:33] <buZz> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/486432_10151313396904408_467815537_n.jpg
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[13:33] <buZz> lol
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[14:28] <GriffenJBS> why is qemu as rpi so slow?
[14:28] <mirf> depends on your host box?
[14:30] <ReggieUK> mine runs fast enough
[14:30] <ReggieUK> at least compiling wise
[14:30] <ReggieUK> uses all 4 cores in my vm :)
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[14:31] <mirf> :D
[14:31] <sheppard> not hard to use up cores compiling :P
[14:31] <GriffenJBS> ... seems to be IO bound, CPU on host isn't reaching 25% and I'm using the CLI, so it's not a video issue
[14:32] <sheppard> GriffenJBS: you're seeing iowait?
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[14:37] <sam> ReggieUK: duh, what's your -cpu flag for that?
[14:41] <ReggieUK> sam, no idea
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[14:41] <ReggieUK> I use qemu and a chroot
[14:41] <ReggieUK> so make -j5 works directly
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[14:45] <sam> ReggieUK: oh I see, you use qemu-user
[14:45] <ReggieUK> I seem to remember a conversation about this the other day :)
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[15:19] <kn1000> talking from my pi!
[15:19] <MasterGeek> \o/
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[15:22] <kn1000> Anyone have any insight as to why the pi panics when I torrent on it though?
[15:23] <kn1000> googlings result in some workarounds but I'm curious as to why
[15:24] <buZz> i get kernel panics on pi when i my PSU is not supplying enough amps
[15:24] <buZz> -i
[15:24] <buZz> :)
[15:25] <kn1000> buZz: Possibly that as at the moment I'm powering it via my desktop (usb ports are rated to 2.1amps though) but unlikely as compiling on the pi works fine
[15:25] <kn1000> I'd assume compiling uses the pi to the limit
[15:25] <buZz> true
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[15:26] <kn1000> seems to only crash under high throughput (my connection can put out 4.5MB/s
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[15:26] <buZz> well i heard some ppl talk about a bad USB driver and bad ethernet driver
[15:26] <buZz> but unclear how bad exactly
[15:26] <sam> I'd assume the GPU draws more power than a maxed out CPU
[15:27] <kn1000> Probably, I'm not really making use of the gpu though, at the moment I've got transmission-cli with webclient and irssi running on raspbian wheesy
[15:27] <buZz> i now feed my raspi just a bit above 5v
[15:27] <buZz> like 5.05v
[15:27] <kn1000> just started a torrent, if I dc then you know why heh
[15:27] <booyaa> kn1000: the torrents where are they being stored?
[15:27] <booyaa> on a network share or ext hdd?
[15:28] <kn1000> booyaa: at the moment on the sdcard (got some ultrafast redstripesmakeitfaster sandisk thing
[15:28] <kn1000> it'll be an ext hdd in a moment though
[15:28] <booyaa> which torrent client?
[15:28] <kn1000> transmission-cli
[15:28] <kn1000> with webui
[15:29] <booyaa> have you set a max connections? not expecting this to be a problem, but given that each connection will prolly have a thread that's still only a little bit of memory to share to a lot of conns
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[15:30] <kn1000> I just recently set a max peers per torrent limit of 15 which..don't quote me on this..may have solved it
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[15:30] <kn1000> because this torrent has lasted longer than torrents usually do
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[15:32] <mikma> yey sports! http://imgur.com/gallery/6Ftri
[15:33] <TheBrayn> omnomnom
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[15:41] <kn1000> hello again
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[15:45] <[Phaedrus]> hey, does anyone know what the strange colored screen that splashes on boot is all about?
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[15:46] <elspuddy> hi :)
[15:47] <elspuddy> any one know why, when i start x windows it lose's my pis network access ?
[15:48] <rabbidrabbit> elspuddy: Most likely a power issue.
[15:48] <rabbidrabbit> You power supply may not be good enough.
[15:48] <elspuddy> hmm, well i do have it hokked up to my powered usb hub
[15:48] <[Phaedrus]> hey, does anyone know what the strange colored screen that splashes on boot is all about?
[15:49] <rabbidrabbit> [Phaedrus]: nope, but just wait. Someone might.
[15:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> it tells you the GPU isa wqorking
[15:49] <ReggieUK> it's to give you a visual indication that it's booting
[15:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> better than my fingers
[15:50] <[Phaedrus]> ReggieUK: is there a way to replace it with something more pleasant? :)
[15:50] <ReggieUK> if it doesn't make it to the splash then something went wrong in the boot process
[15:50] <ReggieUK> not as far as I know
[15:50] <ReggieUK> but that doesn't mean there isn't
[15:50] <ReggieUK> just that I am not aware of any method to do it :)
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[15:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> probably one for Dom top answer really
[15:51] <M4rius> Hi everyone
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[15:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> hi dr nick
[15:52] <kn1000> RaTTuS|BIG: <3
[15:52] <elspuddy> a powred usb hub should be enuff to power a pi , right ?
[15:52] <drazyl> sometimes
[15:52] <kn1000> elspuddy: whats the plugs power rating
[15:52] <mikma> greatly depends of the powered usb hub
[15:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> elspuddy - if you are powering it via a usb-micro usb cable then yea
[15:53] <GriffenJBS> [Phaedrus]: good chance it's a calculated image, not stored, but icbw
[15:53] <[Phaedrus]> elspuddy: generally but there are guidelines. in the forum there are some guidelines on what to look for. some amp and output levels to be checked
[15:53] <[Phaedrus]> GriffenJBS: what does that mean? ah, as in its just displaying it as a way of initialization?
[15:54] <M4rius> If there is one red next to PWR but no LED next to OK is it the OS' fault or the power supplies fault ? >.>
[15:54] <M4rius> would love to know, where to start debugging :)
[15:54] <GriffenJBS> as in the image is not an image, it's the result of a small program run at the start to fill the framebuffer with a test image, that shows the hardware is working, then software is started
[15:54] <[Phaedrus]> M4rius: it might be that your SD card isnt plugged in properly as well
[15:55] <kn1000> M4rius: I generally find the OK light indicates SD card being plugged in and set up correctly
[15:55] <GriffenJBS> well ... post "bios" for you pc people, part of the blob
[15:55] <[Phaedrus]> GriffenJBS: gotca
[15:55] <[Phaedrus]> *gotca
[15:55] <GriffenJBS> should have called it a test pattern
[15:55] <[Phaedrus]> :)
[15:55] <M4rius> ok thx guys, i will double check the sd card, maybe wrong manufacturer
[15:56] <[Phaedrus]> it could have also looked like a test pattern. looks like something is going wrong at this point
[15:56] <GriffenJBS> if they could have stored an image, I'm sure a raspberry would be there instead
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[15:58] <elspuddy> http://www.amazon.co.uk/TRUST-UK-HU-5770-PORT-POWERED/dp/tech-data/B000HG5Q42/ref=de_a_smtd <-- my usb houb
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[16:04] <JaHetIsChris> Hi
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[16:10] <Martin`> funny in raspbmc, when the screen fades out when you do not use it. you see messages from the terminal, also when a movie starts with black lines at top/bottom you see terminal there :P
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[16:16] <JaHetIsChris> Can anyone tell me where i can find prebuild of the latest raspxbmc? When im trying to build it by sourcecode i get errors, im not managing to get all build essentials :/
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[16:29] <Nullifi3d|Pi> JaHetIsChris: http://www.memetic.org/pre-compiled-xbmc-for-raspbian/
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[16:59] <shadeslayer> Hi! I just got my RasPi this morning, I tried installing using the Debian network installer, but it seems that it doesn't boot the Pi after installing it
[16:59] <shadeslayer> I just get the coloured rainbow thing
[16:59] <shadeslayer> ( I also didn't run rpi-update since the installer rebooted right after completing the install )
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[17:01] <Peanut> shadeslayer: have you tried doing a dd of the image to your sdcard instead, to see if that works better?
[17:02] <shadeslayer> Peanut: nope, I'd preferably like to do a bare minimum install and work up from that
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[17:02] <Peanut> Sure, but just as a way of making sure your pi is healthy.
[17:03] <shadeslayer> well .. it boots the network installer, so doesn't that make sure the pi is healthy? :)
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[17:03] <shadeslayer> Ethernet/USB/HDMI/Component/SDCard work
[17:03] <Peanut> Good piont, I guess.. which debian are you trying to install? Raspbian?
[17:03] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:05] <shadeslayer> The only thing I'm not sure about is rpi-update, the instructions say that I have to run it at the end of the install, but how does one run it after installing it when the installer just reboots the pi
[17:06] <Peanut> Raspbian should boot without running rpi-update, it's quite up-to-date already.
[17:07] <Peanut> On earlier releases, rpi-update was quite important because things would hang quickly without it. But with the current raspbian image, it should boot into mult-user just fine.
[17:08] <Peanut> Maybe you should mount the raspbian image, and compare it against the kernel and other files that you are serving for the netboot, to make sure you are serving the most recent kernel and firmware?
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[17:08] <shadeslayer> will do
[17:09] <shadeslayer> I'm reinstalling again, just to make sure everything went as expected
[17:09] <shadeslayer> ( Maybe the first boot takes alot of time ? )
[17:11] <mikma> atleast with raspbian if you decide to resize the sd card to max and the card is huge it takes alot of time to boot
[17:11] <mikma> on me it took about 15 minutes for 32gb card
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[17:11] <Peanut> mikma: but that shows up on the console, and given that he does a netboot, he doesn't have to 'resize'
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[17:13] <shadeslayer> I have a 4GB card ;)
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[17:15] <TheBrayn> I like turtles
[17:15] <JaHetIsChris> Can anyone tell me where i can find prebuild of the latest raspxbmc? When im trying to build it by sourcecode i get errors, im not managing to get all build essentials :/
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[17:20] <mikma> jahetischris: http://www.raspbian.org/
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[17:34] <JaHetIsChris> Mikmka
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[17:34] <JaHetIsChris> i can only find release candidate nr 3
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[17:35] <JaHetIsChris> The code must be somewhere on git/svn but im looking for a recently build image
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[18:00] <[Phaedrus]> question. is that chromium bundle by hexxeh working well?
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[18:01] <[Phaedrus]> i ran the script, it did its thing, but when i say chrome -disable-ipv6 it wont do muc
[18:01] <[Phaedrus]> any ideas why?
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[18:09] <dwatkins> tcial: perhaps it would be best to test your bot in a channel of its own?
[18:09] <tcial> What?
[18:09] <tcial> I'm not testing a bot in here
[18:09] <dwatkins> 16:59 -%- DeadBot6 is now known as TestBot5
[18:09] <dwatkins> 16:59 -%- TestBot5 is now known as tcial
[18:09] <tcial> I was changing my nick so I could register it
[18:09] <tcial> sorry
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[18:09] <dwatkins> that's what I see, sorry if I interpretted it wrong
[18:09] <tcial> It's fine
[18:09] <dwatkins> ahhh, ok :)
[18:09] <Zoohouse> Hello everyone
[18:09] <dwatkins> hi Zoohouse
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[18:12] <Zoohouse> Just reviced my Raspberry Pi yesterday. It was a nice surprise when I arrived home. :D
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[18:13] <Zoohouse> Question, I have Raspbian installed and it works fine (still haven't gotten past the config screen). can I connect to my RP via SSH and finish the configuration or will I need a mouse and keyboard to do that?
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[18:14] <GriffenJBS> Zoohouse: did you enable SSH from the menu?
[18:15] <ziltro2> Without a keyboard?
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[18:15] <Zoohouse> GriffenJBS: I don't have a USB keyboard so I haven't been able to do anything other than connect it to the tv and look at the config screen :\ heh
[18:15] <GriffenJBS> nope, sshd isn't enabled by default
[18:16] <Zoohouse> darn
[18:16] <ziltro2> Could it be enabled by editing files on the EXT partition on another computer?
[18:16] <GriffenJBS> yes
[18:16] <Zoohouse> ah!
[18:16] <Zoohouse> nice
[18:16] <Zoohouse> let me pop out the SD card and connect it to my laptop
[18:16] <ziltro2> Not that I know how to do that. :) It migh be a case of changing the permissions of a file in /etc/init.d/
[18:17] <ziltro2> Set it to be executable.
[18:17] <ziltro2> I /think/ that's the normal way to diable services in Debian.
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[18:17] <GriffenJBS> ziltro2: read what you wrote
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[18:18] <GriffenJBS> Zoohouse: what OS does the laptop run?
[18:18] <Zoohouse> it should be as easy as plugging the SD card into another computer and editing the text file ssh.d config file or whatnot
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[18:18] <Zoohouse> GriffenJBS: Mint 12
[18:18] <ziltro2> Oh, enable, yeah
[18:18] <GriffenJBS> nice, so mounting it won't be a problem
[18:18] <Martin`> maybe it should be enabled by default in next version :)
[18:19] <ziltro2> I usually do the opposite.
[18:19] <ziltro2> Enabled by default and easily disablable in the installer?
[18:19] <Martin`> yes :)
[18:20] <Zoohouse> ziltro2: That's what I was expecting. Not sure why SSH would be disabled by default other than to lower the number of services running out of the box?
[18:20] <GriffenJBS> Zoohouse: I'm checking the exact methods used, I know how to patch it together, but you have a brand new image
[18:20] <ziltro2> I think it is normally assumed that a computer you're installing an O/S to has a keyboard. :)
[18:20] <GriffenJBS> I'll save the duct taping for some other time
[18:21] <ziltro2> But that might be a bad assumption now.
[18:22] <NullMoogleCable> so :) i fallowed this http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianInstaller :) took all night. testing now
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[18:23] <GriffenJBS> Zoohouse: make the link '/etc/rc3.d/S02ssh -> ../init.d/ssh"
[18:23] <GriffenJBS> then ssh starts on bootup and we'll do the setup over ssh
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[18:23] <Zoohouse> ziltro2: yea, I have a ton of keyboards but they are all old PS/2 kind..
[18:24] <GriffenJBS> ... now I'm wondering when the config is started ... it may be before the terminals are brought up
[18:24] <[Phaedrus]> i ran the script, it did its thing, but when i say chrome -disable-ipv6 it wont do much. any ideas why? it says "file not found"
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[18:24] <GriffenJBS> [Phaedrus]: I've never used it sorry
[18:25] <shiroki> hi guys, i have a question about qtonpi image. has anyone tried it and successfully ran some qt app on it?
[18:25] <NullMoogleCable> oh snap i forgot the name of the root partition block device. How can i find this so I can edit my cmdline.txt so it wont kernel panic?
[18:25] <shiroki> i got this error: failed to open vchiq instance. and the rootfs doesn't look complete to me
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[18:26] <Zoohouse> GriffenJBS: The link was already there
[18:26] <GriffenJBS> Strange, ssh *used* to be disabled by default
[18:27] <Zoohouse> I'm running Raspberrian
[18:27] <Zoohouse> let me try to connect to it
[18:27] <GriffenJBS> Raspbian?
[18:28] <Zoohouse> meant to say Raspbian
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[18:32] <NullMoogleCable> i forgot the name of the root partition block device. How can i find this so I can edit my cmdline.txt so it wont kernel panic?
[18:32] <JaHetIsChris> fdisk -l
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[18:35] <Zoohouse> hummmm. I'm looking at the DHCP Active IP Table for my router and can't find an IP address for the RP
[18:36] <JaHetIsChris> you might be able to look in ur arp table
[18:37] <Zoohouse> ah, good idea
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[18:40] <JaHetIsChris> found it>?
[18:41] <GriffenJBS> Zoohouse: if it helps and I run my pi via ssh, no mouse/keyboard on it
[18:42] <shiroki> i found the answer for my question :)
[18:43] <Zoohouse> nope. when I use ARP it doesn't find the RP. I ran RP with and without the RP connected and the output is the same
[18:44] <JaHetIsChris> Are you sure the rpi is connected?
[18:44] <Zoohouse> GriffenJBS: yea but I have a clean/out of the box installation of Raspbian... I think the services are not coming up completely...
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[18:45] <Zoohouse> JaHetIsChris: I connect an eithernet cable to the RP and waited a good while before using arp
[18:46] <Zoohouse> The cable is connected to the router, just checked to make sure the connection was good
[18:47] <ziltro2> Doesn't the RPi print its IP address to screen during bootup? Or does the installer clear that.
[18:48] <ziltro2> Zoohouse: is /etc/init.d/ssh set to be executable?
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[18:51] <Zoohouse> I just realized that I was using an underpowered power source in my room. (at the living room I was using a 700mA power source, in my room, where I have the router, I was using a lot less.) Now all the lights come up when I power up, including the 10M and Link.
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[18:54] <GriffenJBS> lol, bummer
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[18:54] <tcial> Wondering what to do on my rPi
[18:55] <tcial> and also, is PiBot hosted on a Raspberry Pi?
[18:55] <Zoohouse> Ok, still can't find an IP address for the RP
[18:55] <tcial> Zoohouse: Look on your router?
[18:55] <dirty_d> anyone know what programmer you need to program this? http://www.st.com/internet/evalboard/product/252419.jsp
[18:55] <tcial> Zoohouse: Also, can't you access the terminal
[18:56] <[SkG]> dirty_d probabbly it can be programmed by usb due it have usbport..
[18:56] <Zoohouse> tcial: I did. let me try all the IP address listed, even though they have a different hostname just encase.
[18:57] <Zoohouse> tcial: I have a clean install of Raspbian and the configuration screen comes up on boot, I don't have a usb keyboard
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[18:57] <[SkG]> dirty_d "On-board ST-LINK/V2 with selection mode switch to use the kit as a standalone ST-LINK/V2 (with SWD connector for programming and debugging)"
[18:57] <tcial> Zoohouse: Ah >_<
[18:57] <dirty_d> [SkG], not sure if thats for programming or a usb host port
[18:57] <JaHetIsChris> Dont think pibot is on hosted on rpi, its a service from freenode like nickserv/chanserv.
[18:57] <tcial> Zoohouse: http://www.radmin.com/products/ipscanner/
[18:57] <tcial> I've used iNet on my iphone, it lists all devices on the network
[18:57] <tcial> Try that
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[18:59] <Zoohouse> might just be simpler if I run to the store and get a USB keyboard
[18:59] <[SkG]> dirty_d also you can have a look to this open source project https://github.com/texane/stlink that is a stm32 programmer and says that uses usb port...
[19:00] <tcial> Zoohouse: You could do that :D
[19:00] <GriffenJBS> Zoohouse: or get a PS2 Key/Mouse -> USB adapter
[19:01] <dirty_d> [SkG], oh, cool
[19:01] <Zoohouse> GriffenJBS: I have one but the keyboard doesn't wok
[19:01] <Zoohouse> work*
[19:01] <dirty_d> i dont know anything about arm mcu programming/debugging
[19:01] <GriffenJBS> umm ok
[19:01] <dirty_d> that should be able to program any cortex-M mcu right?
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[19:02] <Zoohouse> GriffenJBS: I wonder if another keyboard might work with the adabpter, I only tired one keyboard...
[19:02] <GriffenJBS> welcome back Hexxeh
[19:02] <Zoohouse> adapter*
[19:02] <Hexxeh> GriffenJBS: thanks
[19:03] <GriffenJBS> this is disappointing, I was expecting it to be smaller
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[19:28] <NullMoogleCable> so i got gnome to boot
[19:29] <NullMoogleCable> i get to the login gui
[19:29] <NullMoogleCable> mouse and keyboard doesnt work...
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> hi
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> NullMoogleCable, is the evdev module loaded?
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[19:51] <NullMoogleCable> gordonDrogon how do i do anything
[19:52] <NullMoogleCable> as i have no input?
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[20:07] <chithead> NullMoogleCable: can you ssh in? run "chvt 1". else switch to raw input mode with alt+sysrq+r then alt+f1
[20:07] <nio> i am bored and maybe not smart enough
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[20:26] <aaa801> Yay hdd failure
[20:26] <aaa801> q_q
[20:27] <ziltro2> Yay
[20:28] <ziltro2> The best way to learn how to create a RAID.
[20:28] <aaa801> yay loss of raspberry pi android source tree
[20:28] <aaa801> Ye if you can afford it..
[20:29] <aaa801> ziltro2: i picked up a 2tb drive earlier second hand, running some data recovery on it :)
[20:29] <aaa801> Looks like the old owner was studying linux system security
[20:29] <aaa801> how ironic =/
[20:29] <ziltro2> Second hand hard disks :)
[20:30] <aaa801> meh 2tb for ?30
[20:30] <aaa801> store comes with a 1 year waranty anyway
[20:30] <aaa801> most of my stuff is backed up to repos anyway
[20:31] <ziltro2> Trouble with 2 TB drives is you need a 3 TB drive if you want to use ddrescue.
[20:31] <aaa801> 3:
[20:31] <aaa801> i know someone with about 20tb of space on his pc
[20:31] <ziltro2> Good for video editing
[20:31] <hagg> my grandpa?
[20:32] <aaa801> not looking forward to restoring the android src tree =/
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[20:33] <ziltro2> You can probably compress the output of ddrescue if the drive was mostly empty... But then if there was data on it before you got it, it migth not be.
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[20:33] <aaa801> im waiting for the data recovery stuff to finish
[20:34] <aaa801> aparantly scanning a disk with 3000000000+ sectors takes some time
[20:34] <ziltro2> Especially with 512 byte blocks
[20:35] <buZz> aaa801: are you doing forensics?
[20:36] <aaa801> buZz: just intrested in whats on this second hand drive i just got
[20:36] <aaa801> normal people dont have 2tb drives ya know
[20:36] <ziltro2> I have three of them, am I abnormal?
[20:36] <aaa801> yes
[20:36] <ziltro2> Fantastic. :)
[20:37] <aaa801> its got some intresting stuff on it
[20:37] <ziltro2> I also have a 3 TB drive because I got a blu-ray drive.
[20:37] <buZz> we have 4 1tb hds here, 8 750gbs, shitload of smaller ones
[20:37] <ziltro2> Hmm I like interesting stuff.
[20:37] <buZz> funny how much shit you attract just by being a hackerspace
[20:37] <aaa801> bunch of website php development, hosting accs, loads of films, bunch of other development
[20:37] <ziltro2> Was it all securley erased using 'rm'?
[20:37] <aaa801> lovely windows format tool
[20:37] <aaa801> :p
[20:38] <aaa801> on quick format
[20:38] <aaa801> i believe
[20:38] <ziltro2> Oh I forgot about that O/S, haha
[20:38] <aaa801> just have to scan the disc for the file discriptors at a raw level
[20:38] <aaa801> and match em against the mft metadata
[20:38] <aaa801> takes forever..
[20:38] <ziltro2> Yeah.
[20:39] <ziltro2> So you hadn't written data over the top yet? Or ... how come the MFT is still there?
[20:39] <aaa801> mft has backup superblocks
[20:39] <ziltro2> I would assume that is near the beginning, although I suppose it might not be.
[20:39] <aaa801> also the disc is prety dam untouched since format
[20:39] <ziltro2> Ah, backup at the end?
[20:39] <aaa801> backups all the way through tbh
[20:39] <ziltro2> $MFT2 or whatever
[20:39] <aaa801> the progs hit 3 soo far
[20:40] <ziltro2> Oh okay, nice.
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[20:40] <aaa801> 39777 files, 9709 matched to metadata
[20:40] <ziltro2> :)
[20:40] <aaa801> eta is 1h 20m
[20:41] <ziltro2> Not too bad
[20:41] <aaa801> been running for about 3 hours soo far
[20:41] <ziltro2> What tool are you using?
[20:41] <ziltro2> something NTFS speciffic?
[20:41] <aaa801> just getdataback
[20:41] <aaa801> set on acidental format scenario
[20:41] <ziltro2> Okay, never haerd of it... :)
[20:42] <aaa801> i tryed testdisk but it couldnt find the partition backup
[20:42] <aaa801> =/
[20:42] <ziltro2> I've used scalpel or whatever they call it now.
[20:42] <aaa801> so the long way it was
[20:42] <ziltro2> Ah, actually I do have an NTFS image which I could try it on.
[20:43] <aaa801> afaik theres no tool that can rebuild the ntfs image from the scraped data
[20:43] <aaa801> which kinda sucks
[20:43] <aaa801> if there was i wouldnt have to mess about with moving the data off the drive etc
[20:44] <ziltro2> Oh, that's pay software...
[20:44] <aaa801> meh
[20:44] <aaa801> im using evaluation
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[20:44] <ziltro2> Can you tell 'mount' to use a different MFT location?
[20:46] <aaa801> well it was formatted from ntfs to fat32..
[20:46] <aaa801> so mount would fail anyway
[20:46] <ziltro2> ah
[20:46] <ziltro2> FAT32 is so good.
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[20:48] <ziltro2> I've been using UDF for Linux and Windows compatibility
[20:48] <aaa801> udf?
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[20:48] <ziltro2> UDF.
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[20:48] <ziltro2> As used on DVDs and blu-rays, but it works on hard disks too.
[20:48] <aaa801> O_o
[20:49] <aaa801> any advantages for that?
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[20:49] <ziltro2> mkudffs needs two options, set media type to 'hd' and blocksize to 512 (4096)
[20:49] <buZz> does sound over HDMI work from raspi?
[20:49] <ziltro2> Also you want to clear the first several blocks before creating the filesystem if it had FAT on there before, because it doesn't erase them its self!
[20:49] <ziltro2> UDF supports UNIX permissiona and ACLs.
[20:49] <aaa801> buZz: ye
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[20:50] <buZz> aaa801: awesome, tnx
[20:50] <aaa801> Would the windows installer like it ?
[20:50] <ziltro2> Probably not. ;)
[20:50] <aaa801> lol
[20:50] <ziltro2> I've used it for USB sticks.
[20:50] <ziltro2> Strangely Windows can cope with a partitionless UDF filesystem on a USB stick!
[20:50] <ziltro2> Or SD card. I forget which I tried.
[20:50] <ziltro2> I think I tried both.
[20:51] <ziltro2> Interestingly you can format UDF in Windows, but only on the command line. :)
[20:51] <aaa801> windows will however poop itself if fed a usb stick with multiple partitions
[20:51] <ziltro2> Ha!
[20:51] <aaa801> srsly it wont let you delete all partitions on it
[20:51] <aaa801> its :@
[20:51] <ziltro2> It prboably uses floppy disk logic for them, with partitions hacked on as an after-thought.
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[20:51] <ziltro2> You can probably delete them using Cygwin.
[20:52] <ziltro2> If you're stuck on windows, that is.
[20:52] <aaa801> not sure
[20:52] <aaa801> =/
[20:52] <aaa801> i generaly have windows 7 host with ubuntu in a vm
[20:52] <ziltro2> I've read an entire live filesystem using Cywin.
[20:52] <aaa801> amd-v is great
[20:52] <ziltro2> Yeah I'd do it the other way around. ;)
[20:52] <aaa801> i need to get my windows box up soon
[20:52] <aaa801> it sends nice codes to my satellite box
[20:52] <aaa801> :P
[20:53] <ziltro2> Oh does it?
[20:53] <aaa801> indeeds
[20:53] <aaa801> well it acts as a network link
[20:54] <ziltro2> Because the box isn't getting enough data from the satellites.
[20:54] <aaa801> Well not the decryption keys
[20:54] <aaa801> :D
[20:54] <ziltro2> Ohh those things...
[20:54] <aaa801> ye
[20:54] <aaa801> lol
[20:54] <ziltro2> They're still usign Viaccess, huh?
[20:54] <aaa801> ye
[20:55] <ziltro2> What you need is a small networkable computer you can dedicate to that task.
[20:55] <ziltro2> Low power, with an HDMI output to the TV.
[20:55] <ziltro2> That'd be good.
[20:55] <aaa801> not possible
[20:55] <buZz> cardsharing?
[20:56] <aaa801> my pc forwards the network connection from a wifi router in the building to my hub
[20:56] <buZz> i should setup my DVB installation back home
[20:56] <ziltro2> Oh, I run wires everywhere. :)
[20:56] <ziltro2> DVB-S2/DVB-T2 might work on the RPi.
[20:56] <buZz> aaa801: i use a fonera for that
[20:56] <ziltro2> ie. the HD channels are MPEG4.
[20:56] <buZz> DVB-T1 is in the air here
[20:56] <buZz> just mpeg2
[20:57] <aaa801> isnt that one of those stupid bt things buZz?
[20:57] <buZz> bt?
[20:57] <buZz> oh british telco
[20:57] <ziltro2> Ah, UK has mostly switched to digital only, and so we have some DVB-T2
[20:57] <buZz> no fonera is the router from fon itself
[20:57] <buZz> subsidized
[20:57] <aaa801> ye..
[20:57] <aaa801> i have like 10 fon points on my wifi
[20:57] <buZz> ziltro2: NL aswell, but they are always one standard back
[20:57] <aaa801> =/
[20:57] <ziltro2> Fantastic. :)
[20:57] <chithead> dvb-t and dvb-t2 are just transport method, they both work with mpeg2 and h.264
[20:58] <ziltro2> I thought the UK was backwards...
[20:58] <ziltro2> Well yes, I guess.
[20:58] <buZz> goverment is slow because of goverment
[20:58] <ziltro2> If they are slow, they won't run away when you hunt them down?
[20:59] <buZz> still waiting for that huntingseason to open ;/
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[21:04] <dirty_d> any rpi powered 3d printers?
[21:04] <aaa801> O-o
[21:04] <buZz> dirty_d: ppl are working on it on #reprap
[21:04] <buZz> but slowly
[21:04] <buZz> it has way too little IO to run a full printer
[21:04] <ziltro2> There should be RPi powered pie making machines.
[21:04] <buZz> so needs a big shield
[21:05] <dirty_d> how many outputs would you need?
[21:05] <dirty_d> 4 motors right?
[21:05] <dirty_d> so 16?
[21:05] <ziltro2> End-stop sensors?
[21:05] <dirty_d> fancy
[21:06] <ziltro2> I know almost nothing about 3D printing.
[21:06] <dirty_d> i figured you just manually set it somewhere and enter values for the max steps or soemthing
[21:06] <dirty_d> i dunno if its worth it, the parts look like they come out pretty crappy
[21:06] <ziltro2> Could do, but I would want it to be automatic. You would only need one end-stop per axis presumably.
[21:07] <ziltro2> Plus max steps.
[21:08] <dirty_d> i think its overkill though
[21:08] <dirty_d> because it only needs to be calibrated once i think
[21:08] <ziltro2> Surely you'd have to manually reset the heads every time you used it if it couldn't detect the ends its self?
[21:08] <dirty_d> hmm, well not really
[21:08] <ziltro2> But if you turn power off it doesn't know where the heads are.
[21:09] <dirty_d> you could just move it to the center and touching the bottom and when it starts its at the origin
[21:09] <dirty_d> i dunno
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[21:09] <dirty_d> im cheap
[21:09] <ziltro2> Isn't the point to avoid manual work? :)
[21:09] <ziltro2> And time is money? haha
[21:09] <ziltro2> I don't know.
[21:09] <ziltro2> I want to try out a RepRap.
[21:09] <ziltro2> I even have a thing I'd like to make.
[21:09] <dirty_d> i dont even know what id make
[21:10] <ziltro2> 2 pin 5 A BS 546 trailing socket.
[21:10] <ziltro2> I actually know of a use for one.
[21:10] <ziltro2> for a valve radio receiver.
[21:10] <dirty_d> cool
[21:11] <ziltro2> If I was clever I could have a hole or something in the side for connecting earth, as the receiver doesn't have an earth.
[21:11] <dirty_d> i saaw some crazy 3d printer on youtube that uses liquid resin and a laser or something
[21:11] <dirty_d> incredible quality
[21:11] <ziltro2> It is only mains + metal + valves protected by wood. :)
[21:11] <dirty_d> and it was diy
[21:11] <ziltro2> Can't beat lasers.
[21:11] <ziltro2> They make everything better.
[21:13] <dirty_d> those stepper motors are 1.8deg per step
[21:13] <dirty_d> they must be geared down or soemthing on the axes
[21:13] <dirty_d> or maybe thats not as course as im thinking
[21:15] <aaa801> cough
[21:15] <aaa801> http://nathan.chantrell.net/20120602/raspberry-pi-io-expander-board/
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[21:18] <gordonDrogon> NullMoogleCable, sorry - I had to go AFK - did you get sorted?
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[21:19] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, see this little board too: http://zuzebox.wordpress.com/2012/06/24/minipiio-dio16-v0-10/
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> and the PiFace - they're all using the same chip.
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi supports the PiFace, but I think I'll make it generic for that chip as there are now a few people using it.
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[21:21] <ziltro2> I wonder if there's a similar chip which does analogue I/O as well
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[21:21] <ziltro2> Or, analogue in, PWM out.
[21:22] <gordonDrogon> there are some tiny little A/D and D/A chips that work off the SPI bus - the Gertboard has 2.
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[21:26] <gordonDrogon> I'm going to connect a D/A into one of the A/D's later on if I have time - can't think of anything else at present, although I guess I could use a pot on a breadboard... sort of run out of breadboards..
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[21:27] <dirty_d> hm, how much does one of these repraps cost to make?
[21:27] <dirty_d> it looks cheap
[21:27] <ziltro2> That's the idea, isn't it?
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[21:27] <dirty_d> yea
[21:28] <dirty_d> but ive thought ive seen numbers like $2000 or $1000 out there
[21:28] <dirty_d> i cant see that
[21:28] <buZz> heh
[21:29] <buZz> nah lower
[21:29] <buZz> i built mine for ~600 euros
[21:29] <buZz> and we are cloning it now for ~3-400 euros a clone
[21:29] <buZz> not going for a kit will save you a lot of money
[21:29] <buZz> and it will also cost you a lot of time to find all the parts at a resonable price
[21:29] <buZz> dirty_d: just join #reprap
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[21:30] <dirty_d> buZz, what was the most expensive part or the build?
[21:30] <buZz> electronics
[21:30] <dirty_d> duid you buy all that already made or build it yourself?
[21:31] <buZz> it was included presoldered in the workshop
[21:31] <ziltro2> I could probably design a part and get someone to print it for moneys...
[21:31] <buZz> the workshop also came with all the parts etc
[21:31] <buZz> if you havent already, check out http://thingiverse.com/
[21:31] <buZz> there are a lot of very usefull designs on it
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[21:32] <ziltro2> Ooh, pistons.
[21:33] <dirty_d> i could do the motor drivers adn stuff, but im not sure of the computer -> reprap interface
[21:33] <ziltro2> I wonder if plastic pistons could cope ith steam heat and pressure? :)
[21:33] <dirty_d> its probably complex huh?
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[21:34] <buZz> dirty_d: its just a usb cable
[21:34] <buZz> ziltro2: PLA plastic gets soft at 60 celcius
[21:34] <buZz> ziltro2: ABS plastic gets soft at 105 celcius
[21:35] <ziltro2> Water gets steamy at 100??... So maybe not a good idea.
[21:35] <buZz> i just use PLA because it smells like food while printing
[21:35] <buZz> instead of ABS which smells like death while printing
[21:35] <ziltro2> Mmm, death
[21:36] <buZz> take a flame to lego and smell ABS ;)
[21:36] <ziltro2> Might want to do that outside then :)
[21:36] <traeak> i guess nowadays raspian is the favored distro?
[21:38] <dirty_d> buZz, yikes, usb
[21:39] <dirty_d> i guess it wouldnt be so bad
[21:39] <buZz> yeah terribly retro
[21:39] <dirty_d> xmega has usb
[21:39] <buZz> reprap uses arduino mega 2560 now
[21:39] <dirty_d> i dunno why everyone doesnt switch to the xmegas
[21:39] <dirty_d> so much better
[21:39] <buZz> probably because arduino is cheaper?
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[21:40] <dirty_d> well i make my own boards and stuff, but the xmega chip itself ive used is $3
[21:40] <dirty_d> and better than the highest end mega avrs
[21:40] <buZz> true true
[21:40] <buZz> but you would have to write your own firmware ;)
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[21:41] <dirty_d> buZz, i guess i think arduino is overcomplicating something thats already simple though
[21:41] <dirty_d> on the software side
[21:41] <buZz> you might think that
[21:41] <buZz> the arduino is interpreting Gcode from the computer
[21:41] <buZz> and running mosfets, stepper drivers, reading thermistors
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[21:42] <buZz> not so difficult
[21:42] <dirty_d> that seems silly, are you sure?
[21:42] <buZz> yes
[21:42] <jarred> I have a Raspberry PI with Arch Linux installed. I want to set it up as a remotely-accessible NAS (i.e I can access my hard-drive from work without having to carry it around). I have an external hard-drive (with an external power supply). What's the fastest protocol to use where I can still mount it (on a Mountain Lion box)?
[21:42] <buZz> i have built 3 printers already, hacked my way through many firmware
[21:42] <dirty_d> the computer should tell the reprap, move here this fast, spit plastic
[21:42] <buZz> it DOES
[21:42] <dirty_d> why do that on an avr?
[21:42] <dirty_d> oh
[21:42] <buZz> the gcode holds there instructions
[21:42] <buZz> these*
[21:42] <dirty_d> ahh i see so gcode is a very simple thing then
[21:43] <buZz> G1 X101.398 Y71.53 E145.224
[21:43] <buZz> G1 X101.398 Y72.209 E145.2422
[21:43] <buZz> G1 X119.352 Y90.163 E145.9243
[21:43] <dirty_d> that makes sense then
[21:43] <buZz> G21 ;metric values
[21:43] <buZz> G90 ;absolute positioning
[21:43] <buZz> M107 ;start with the fan off
[21:43] <buZz> etc
[21:43] <buZz> there are a lot of commands
[21:43] <buZz> it also does acceleration planning etc
[21:43] <buZz> and lookahead
[21:43] <buZz> to know if it needs to brake etc
[21:44] <dirty_d> thats cool
[21:44] <dirty_d> what is acceleration planning?
[21:45] <buZz> to know if it can accelerate further based on future moves
[21:49] <dirty_d> buZz, what do you think about the print quality?
[21:49] <buZz> i like it a lot
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[21:49] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is really going to struggle to drive stepper motors fast and reliably.
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[21:50] <buZz> gordonDrogon: of course you could just make a 'slice of pi' with an arduino to run the steppers .. ;)
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[21:50] <gordonDrogon> buZz, or a gertboard..
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[21:55] <buZz> dirty_d: http://bambuser.com/v/2867976
[21:56] <buZz> my printer printing raspi cases ;)
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[21:59] <dirty_d> buZz, have any pictures of finished ones?
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[22:02] <buZz> ehr
[22:02] <buZz> think so
[22:02] <buZz> http://gallery.nurdspace.nl/picture.php?/105/category/5
[22:02] <buZz> well, click around a bit on that site, loads of pictures of printed parts
[22:06] <dirty_d> whats that hand thing?
[22:07] <buZz> a keyboard
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. Gcode :)
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> I did some CNC machining some 30 years ago now.
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> it's all the same codes..
[22:08] <buZz> it still exists :)
[22:08] <buZz> well the codes differ a bit per firmware/machine
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> but the principle is the same.
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> we even had a lathe with .. bubble memory in it..
[22:09] <FR^2> Are there any measured drawings of the raspberry pi board? I'm planning to create a case and to be honest I'm too lazy to measure it ;)
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> FR^2, think it was published on the forums a while back.
[22:09] <FR^2> I'll have a look, thanks
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. need to hack avrdude now for the Gertboard - again.
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> seems it's not leaving the gpio pins in a sensible state.
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> Hm. arduino ide isn't working under raspbian. complains about missing .h file )-:
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> that's just bonkers.
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[22:23] <swecide> hi
[22:23] <swecide> ... wrong window
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[22:30] <gordonDrogon> bah. arduino ide new stuff since 0022 )-:
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[22:44] <Hexxeh> working on a plane with a pi is pretty fun
[22:44] <Hexxeh> i mean, maybe on a plane with less hackers i'd get strange looks, but it was fun on the way back from vegas
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[22:47] <Hexxeh> but it did mean i got this working: https://twitter.com/Hexxeh/status/230041265247498240/photo/1/large
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[22:49] <SpeedEvil> :)
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[22:50] <ekselkiu> I've set a partition table up on my SD card and created the file systems. Do I have to do anything more than just copying the files on?
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[22:51] <acfrazier> 26 available to ship today - newark
[22:51] <ekselkiu> The wiki doesn't really mention it, it just says to dd an image file on and then expand the partitions. I don't want to do this because the image I have starts the first partition at sector 2048, and I have 4M (8192 sector) erase blocks.
[22:51] <acfrazier> has supply finally exceeded demand?
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[22:53] <GriffenJBS> ekselkiu: have access to a linux machine?
[22:53] <ekselkiu> GriffenJBS: Yep.
[22:53] <GriffenJBS> mount the image, and copy the files on to the SD
[22:54] <ekselkiu> Is that it?
[22:54] <GriffenJBS> it doesn't use a boot sector so no worries there
[22:54] <ekselkiu> It actually parses the vfat file system in the first primary partition?
[22:54] <GriffenJBS> yup
[22:54] <ekselkiu> Wonderful! Thanks.
[22:54] <GriffenJBS> your welcome
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[23:05] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, I had a pi & gertboard and lots of wires hooked up on a train journey recently - I did get some odd looks...
[23:06] <ekselkiu> lol
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[23:09] <shadeslayer> Peanut: mikma seems it was just a bad install, installed again and works perfectly
[23:09] <shadeslayer> thanks
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[23:27] <hetii> Hi :)
[23:28] <hetii> For those plp who want to play with directfb on PI board here are nightly snapshot: http://directfb.org/kleistpark/nightlies-rpi/
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[23:29] <normod> .chattr swcdx +p
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[23:33] <Hexxeh> hetii: what exactly is at that URL, what distro?
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[23:35] <hetii> distro is called kleistpark, i`m not sure what was taken as a source. General this system had fusion driver and support directfb library for using GPU for havy stuff.
[23:36] <Hexxeh> interesting
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[23:36] <fabiobik> hey guys
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[23:37] <hetii> they work on handling xdirectfb so then whole x will be rendered on GPU, also with webkit engine.
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[23:38] <hetii> so don`t need to said that this should incredible sped up GUI interface and web browsing :)
[23:38] <Hexxeh> xdirectfb is working?
[23:39] <hetii> not yet as far as i know.
[23:39] <hetii> but suppose that will be on week or two :)
[23:39] <Hexxeh> very interesting
[23:39] <Hexxeh> maybe i should reconsider my chrome efforts then
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[23:40] <hetii> they focus as far i as i know on webkits and as we can see today they put rootfs without nowebkit suffix so belive that hard problem was resovled.
[23:41] <Hexxeh> got an email address or irc channel for people working on that?
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[23:42] <hetii> you need join into #directfb support is very welcome :)
[23:43] <fabiobik> why when i restart raspberry my webcan not appears on lsusb?
[23:44] <chithead> the only browser with acceptable performance so far seems to be netsurf
[23:45] <hetii> i suppose that will change soon :>
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[23:47] <ziltro2> So this means there's some hardware GPU support now?
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[23:48] <Syliss> ?_?
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[23:50] <hetii> will be via directfb http://www.directfb.org/screenshots/WebKitDFB-shot1.png
[23:50] <ziltro2> That's a good thing :)
[23:50] <ziltro2> Will it help non-MPEG4 video playback at all?
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[23:52] <hetii> hmm, maybe i`m wrong but don`t suppose
[23:53] <Hexxeh> ziltro2: indirectly possibly
[23:53] <Hexxeh> if the CPU is doing less work on graphics, then it's got more cycles for decoding whatever format you're playing
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[23:54] <ziltro2> That's what I was thinking. :)
[23:54] <ziltro2> Might play something then.
[23:55] <ziltro2> Hmm, I wonder what uses more processing, 'web TV' or DVDs...
[23:55] <hetii> yes but imagine scenario where you don`t use X at all and just play something from console... If the CPU will not have enough power for decoding the it help not to much :)
[23:55] <ziltro2> The former is more compressed, but that requires more decompression.
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[23:57] <Tu13es> hm, element14 is showing in stock if anyone's interested http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?id=83T1943&Ntt=83T1943
[23:57] * Tu13es just ordered his first rpi
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[23:58] <IT_Sean> Congrats Tu13es
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[23:58] <Tu13es> hopefully they really are in stock

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