#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-07-31

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[0:24] <gordonDrogon> if they are in-stock, then it would appear that we've reach market saturation point... almost...
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[0:26] <plugwash> well if they were in-stock they didn't stay that way for long
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[0:27] <plugwash> though farnell UK are now saying 2 in stock for next working day delivery
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[0:30] <gordonDrogon> I know someone who got 3 recently in under a week off Farnell.
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> although he did plead it was for a rasbperryjam event (true), Farnell told him at the time normal devliery was under 2 weeks at that point
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[0:31] <plugwash> mmm, as i've said a few times I think RS's lower price is directing the bulk orders their way
[0:32] <plugwash> leaving farnell able to fill the small orders
[0:32] <Hexxeh> this directfb stuff is fast
[0:32] <^robertj> plugwash, i'm guilty of stealing one of those
[0:33] <^robertj> so i think, i may have gotten on the list...my basket sorta timed out while the lawn guy was yapping
[0:36] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gertboard/
[0:37] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, so directfb is a framebuffer driver written using opengl es ?
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[0:41] <M3nti0n> hey people.
[0:42] <M3nti0n> i got a little question, i've ordered my raspberry pi a little while ago, and didnt order anything else. today the mailman came around, but i was still sleeping.
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[0:42] <M3nti0n> do you need to identify yourself to pickup the raspberry, or did you have to do it on the door? ;)
[0:43] <M3nti0n> just want to know it, then i atleast know what's going to be delivered, or if its just not the raspberry ;)
[0:43] <Syliss> dhl just asked my name and dropped it off
[0:43] <gordonDrogon> in the UK we didn't need signatures...
[0:43] <tos9> Depends on the delivery method
[0:44] <gordonDrogon> my RS one was left outside and my farnell one posted through the letterbox.
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[0:44] <M3nti0n> hmm so i see there are way too much methods used ;)
[0:47] <graham1> i gave the rpi idea to a friend who has an ebay buisness. he wasn't interested. he said there are loads of products which can be bought in bulk for 2gbp, and sold for 12gbp easy. is that true?
[0:47] <graham1> anybody know of items like that which have huge profit margins?
[0:47] <plugwash> there seems to be little ryme or reason to farnell shipping methods
[0:48] <plugwash> small packages from leeds tend to come by post, large ones by UPS but i've seen large ones by post and small ones by UPS before
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[0:48] <plugwash> if it comes from leige it always comes UPS
[0:49] <Syliss> my friends are crazy. One just gave me a 5 year old macbook with a dead hdd, everything else is fine. just needs a light wash.
[0:49] <gordonDrogon> ebay: 310411413725 - looks like that idiot isn't going to sell his at that price (?199)
[0:49] <^robertj> graham1, 2gb SD cards via first class mail for $2.50 would be nice
[0:49] <^robertj> you can whole-sale them from China at $1.00/ea
[0:50] <plugwash> graham1, well fake SD cards have huge profit margins...........
[0:50] <M3nti0n> gordonDrogon, maybe he is just able to sell it for that price to anyone that wants it in a short period ;)
[0:51] <plugwash> there is a lot of cheap stuff from china and there are people who either don't want to wait or don't trust buying direct from china
[0:51] <plugwash> however it's a potentially risky buisness for sellers because if the stuff doesn't comply with safety regs and you get caught you could get in a lot of trouble
[0:52] <neofutur> 01:24) <+ Hexxeh> this directfb stuff is fast
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> M3nti0n, well - there are BuyItNows for under ?40 on ebay now...
[0:52] <neofutur> so you have it working ?
[0:52] <M3nti0n> ah gordonDrogon then i bet it wont be sold ;)
[0:52] <neofutur> more or less what would be needed to integrate this in my distro ?
[0:53] <^robertj> so why is a name-brand SD card recommended?
[0:55] <x29a> cause others might lack the property of "works correctly"
[0:55] <^robertj> why would they though?
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[0:56] <hetii> neofutur: It works, join to #directfb if you want to help ;>
[0:57] <hetii> neofutur: for testing you can use openwrt-raspberrypi-kleistpark-rootfs_20120725_0425.tar.gz
[0:57] <plugwash> from what i've read sandisk cards are generally the best for embedded use since they allow multiple areas on the card to be open for writing at the same time
[0:58] <^robertj> I just need something that works enough to boot and bring up the network
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[0:58] <plugwash> In that case I wouldn't worry too much about the brand but I would make sure you buy it from a reputable vendor
[0:59] <M3nti0n> wtf? If openwrt (router) software available for the Raspi ?
[0:59] <^robertj> M3nti0n, woudl be odd it wasn't
[0:59] <plugwash> there are many cards out there on the likes of ebay that don't really have the capacity they claim to have which will cause massive corruption when you try to flash something like a Pi image to them
[1:00] <^robertj> plugwash, i'm hoping monoprice carries one
[1:00] <chithead> openwrt was conceived when people realized that the routers were actually small linux computers
[1:00] <M3nti0n> nice, ^robertj would be cool to use as router ;)
[1:00] <plugwash> M3nti0n, I dunno if anyone has got openwrt running on the Pi but you can certainly do routing and NAT with a standard linux distro
[1:00] <M3nti0n> true
[1:00] <^robertj> honestly I think i'd avoid openwrt as well for that very reason
[1:01] <plugwash> having said that the Pi is not a great platform for a router due to everything being stuck behind a single poor USB connection
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[1:01] <^robertj> yeah but there are still tons of places where it would be great
[1:01] <^robertj> mesh networking for example
[1:01] <hetii> ok its a time for me, thx for yours time and see you soon :)
[1:02] <chithead> installing openwrt on the pi doesn't mean you have to use it as router
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[1:02] <M3nti0n> i think it would be better for me to build it inside my tv with a usb harddrive <:o)
[1:02] <chithead> actually you install openwrt on devices which you want to become _more_ than routers
[1:03] <plugwash> true to an extent but still i'm not convinced openwrt is a good choice for the Pi, it seems to be the distro you chose when you don't have space for a proper distro
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[1:05] <^robertj> so if i have a bunch of 12v solenoids i want to control, what are my options?
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[1:18] <JMichael|Party> trying to dd to an SD card, and getting 'Read-only file system'
[1:18] <JMichael|Party> not sure what i'm doing wrong
[1:19] <^robertj> try it as root
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[1:19] <JMichael|Party> i am already root
[1:19] <JMichael|Party> fdisk -l
[1:19] <chithead> also don't dd to the mounted filesystem
[1:19] <JMichael|Party> it's not mounted
[1:20] <JMichael|Party> i did just reformat to fat32
[1:20] <chithead> pastebin /proc/partitions and your dd command
[1:21] <JMichael|Party> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1120480/
[1:22] <JMichael|Party> dd bs=1M if=/home/james/Downloads/Raspian/2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/sdb
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[1:23] <chithead> sounds like sdb1 is still mounted or something
[1:23] <JMichael|Party> after pulling the SD out and re-inserting it a few times, it appears to be working
[1:24] <JMichael|Party> i dunno, i had not ever mounted it.. oh well, hopefully all is well
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[1:24] <JMichael|Party> tyvm for responding, nonetheless
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[1:27] <JMichael|Party> i just received the cables need to connect a pi to a motorola lapdock in the mail, and am pretty excited
[1:28] <JMichael|Party> needed*
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[1:30] <Hodapp> can I speak without being voiced?
[1:30] <Hodapp> nevermind, it seems I am
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[1:32] <Hodapp> I am trying to drive a ShiftBrite with the Raspberry Pi. The ShiftBrite speaks SPI... sort of. It's SPI plus a latch that I have to be able to time fairly accurately (tens of microseconds, let's say).
[1:32] <Hodapp> when I drove it with a Proycon board and could do lower-level code, I could just toggle the SS line directly, but I don't believe spidev grants me this in Linux.
[1:32] <SpeedEvil> Hodapp: That seems problematic.
[1:33] <IT_Sean> Aye, that sounds problematic
[1:33] <SpeedEvil> Hodapp: I think you're liable to need to write a kernel driver to gend precision code.
[1:33] <SpeedEvil> It's quite doable in theory.
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[1:33] <SpeedEvil> But you're not doing it with python.
[1:33] <SpeedEvil> (Unless the hardware can do the required delays in some manner)
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[1:34] <thrawed> how come liz co never bothered to turn up to defcon?
[1:34] <Hodapp> so far the options I'm tossing in my head are (1) doing some hackery with the CE0/CE1 lines, e.g. sending zeros to spidev0.1 to time things there
[1:34] <Hodapp> or (2) finding some other GPIO I can use
[1:34] <SpeedEvil> You don't like the thought of writing kernel code?
[1:34] <thrawed> I heard that their vendor table was very empty
[1:35] <SpeedEvil> thrawed: She was out fighting crime, in a lycra suit.
[1:35] <Hodapp> SpeedEvil: I'd like to avoid it.
[1:36] <thrawed> ukscone: you went to defcon right?
[1:37] <Syliss> liz wasn't at defcon?
[1:37] <thrawed> Syliss: From what I've heard
[1:37] <Syliss> odd
[1:37] <Hodapp> SpeedEvil: Userspace & C would be fine.
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[1:38] <Hexxeh> thrawed: explaination was here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=11320
[1:38] <SpeedEvil> Hodapp: You're not getting microsecond delays repeatably from userspace.
[1:38] <thrawed> Syliss: they were supposed to be selling a bunch of raspi's but their vendor table was empty
[1:38] <SpeedEvil> You may get it most of the time.
[1:38] <thrawed> Hexxeh: thanks
[1:38] <Syliss> wow
[1:38] <Hexxeh> sounds like we should've had a meet at defcon
[1:38] <SpeedEvil> Depends if 'most of the time' is enough
[1:38] * Hexxeh was there too
[1:38] <Hodapp> SpeedEvil: I don't know that it needs to be microseconds.
[1:38] <Hodapp> SpeedEvil: I could probably get away with much longer delays, honestly.
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[1:39] <SpeedEvil> If you can deal with 100ms pauses at random points, you can probably do it without doing much at all.
[1:40] <Hodapp> That's probably a few orders of magnitude too long.
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> Otherwise, it gets complex.
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> there are hard-realtime patches, I'm unsure if anyoens got them up on the pi yet.
[1:41] <stain> what is the GPIO meant to be used for if there are 100 ms pauses?
[1:41] <SpeedEvil> stain: It depends.
[1:41] <Hodapp> at what time delta does hard-realtime enter in?
[1:41] <stain> flashing leds and flip switches?
[1:41] <stain> I guess even a regular push button might be down for less than 100 ms
[1:41] <SpeedEvil> stain: Much stuff is just fine for 100ms delays - if you are doing various protocols in software, and the protocol is delay agnostic, or if resends can occur
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[1:43] <SpeedEvil> Then you run into stuff like interrupt driven SPI hardware modules, where all the hardware realtime stuff is done in hardware.
[1:43] <Hodapp> If I attempt to effect the pulse I need in CE1 by sending N bytes of zeros to /dev/spidev0.1 and then switching to send what I really wanted in /dev/spidev0.0, I wonder if that would work.
[1:43] <JMichael|Party> raspberry pi has booted up on lapdock :-D
[1:43] <Hodapp> as then the SPI driver is handling the timing at 500 kbps or whatever.
[1:43] <Hodapp> it's clunk-tastic but it's stupid enough to work.
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[1:44] <kn1000> Every time I try torrenting on raspbian the pi crashes
[1:44] <kn1000> limiting peers to 15 per torrent makes it last a lot longer but as I just found out it still crashes
[1:44] <stain> probably not enough memory
[1:44] <stain> define 'crashes' ?
[1:44] <SpeedEvil> kn1000: cr...
[1:44] <SpeedEvil> that
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[1:45] <kn1000> entire pi hangs, can't get to other tty's
[1:45] <chithead> does it still respond to ping?
[1:45] <kn1000> webclient crashes as do all ssh sessions
[1:45] <kn1000> chithead: I haven't tried that but I'd probably say not as all networked stuff seems to die
[1:45] <SpeedEvil> kn1000: So connect it to a monitor, and tail the log in a vt
[1:45] <kn1000> what log?
[1:45] <stain> could death of swap kill the ttys..? hmm.. probably IO overkill
[1:46] <SpeedEvil> syslog would be a start.
[1:46] <stain> so you have a USB disk as well?
[1:46] <Hodapp> SpeedEvil: Any horrible things wrong with the plan I just mentioned, short of it being clunk-tastic?
[1:46] <kn1000> SpeedEvil: I apologize, I'm relatively new to this
[1:46] <chithead> kernel log. if there is a kernel panic, probably serial console would be more promising
[1:46] <kn1000> stain: I have a 400gb 2.5 disk that's being powered off my pc, as is the pi (don't worry, my mobo's usb ports are rated to 2.1A
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[1:47] <stain> kn1000: what do you use, rtorrent?
[1:47] <kn1000> stain: transmission-cli
[1:47] <kn1000> well daemon
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[1:47] <Hodapp> I have an extra Pi. I've pondered using it to replace the G4 that is my intarwebz-facing server that doesn't really do much except sit idle with 1.75 GB of its 2 GB RAM used for caching.
[1:47] <Hodapp> TRANSMISSION?!?!
[1:47] <SpeedEvil> My distribution puts up logs on vt 8 alt-f8
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[1:49] <stain> kn1000: you've checked mem and cpu usage with top before it goes haywire?
[1:50] <kn1000> stain: I shall check that next time, syslog doesn't say anything too specific to a crash
[1:50] <kn1000> all transmission reporting
[1:50] <stain> kn1000: it might just be grinding to a halt.. nothing to log for that :(
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[1:50] <harold> hi!
[1:50] <Hodapp> pi!
[1:51] <harold> The great thing about Raspberry Pi is not that's it's a cheap enough PC that you can run Python on, it's that it's a cheap device that has GPIO pins and video. <- noob question: what are GPIO pins?
[1:51] <harold> what are they good for?
[1:51] <stain> harold: you can connect 'anything' to them
[1:51] <stain> hence General Purpose
[1:51] <harold> expand on 'anything' please. Like how people are using them maybe?
[1:52] <stain> for instance a switch, a light, (through a relay) a motor
[1:52] <stain> a sensor
[1:52] <Hodapp> and a latch for a ShiftBrite! ....maybe
[1:52] <harold> can you link to a sensor that a lot of people are interested in?
[1:53] <kn1000> stain: any way to prevent that? I'
[1:53] <harold> (or just tell me the name of one :))
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[1:53] <kn1000> I've read others have prevented it with speed limiting, I'm just curious as to the real reason it completely locks up
[1:53] <kn1000> how do I check for kernel panics?
[1:53] <stain> harold: well what do you want to do? :)
[1:53] <stain> kn1000: easiest is to connect a display, it will pop up there
[1:54] <kn1000> stain: any log for it? I'm using it remotely and really can't be bothered to rip my desk apart again lol
[1:54] <stain> kn1000: /var/log/kern.log
[1:54] <stain> the timestamps aare seconds since boot
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[1:55] <stain> you can restrict the process with ulimit as well
[1:55] <harold> stain: I want to be able to some home automation stuff. I'm open to ideas mostly (so long as they're related to home automation things)
[1:55] <stain> but not network traffic.. you might want to try rtorrent, I believe you can tweak lots of things there as well
[1:56] <Hodapp> SpeedEvil: ballpark figure - if I'm making a write to spidev0.0 in C (I suppose I could use an ioctl too) and switch over to spidev0.1, what kind of delay might that entail?
[1:56] <Hodapp> I've used rtorrent on some pretty low-spec boxes... you should be fine
[1:56] <kn1000> I may try rtorrent, just looks like webui is a pain in the butt to set up
[1:56] <kn1000> there we go it's torrenting fine currently
[1:56] <kn1000> and nothing in kern.log that looks helpful either
[1:57] <Hodapp> don't even bother with web UI
[1:57] <Hodapp> just SSH in
[1:57] <kn1000> Hodapp: it's kinda a must, I access it from mobile etc
[1:57] <kn1000> I could ssh in, but would be a pain to use
[1:57] <stain> harold: then relays would be the first thing to get, so you can turn Real Stuff on and off. They should be fairly cheap. Not sure what sensors you want.. perhaps a light sensor ? temperature? There it will depend on how they give our their readings.. you can't measure voltages with the GPIO, just semi-digital stuff (raising, falling, high, low)
[1:57] <SpeedEvil> Hodapp: no idea. never used it
[1:58] <plugwash> just make sure you do some reading up before you start connecting things to the GPIO
[1:58] <plugwash> in particular DO NOT connect relays direct to the GPIO
[1:58] <stain> yeah, you can easily burn the whole thing.. :/
[1:58] <kn1000> All I can find online is people with the same problem as me http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=6958
[1:58] <kn1000> :(
[1:59] <kn1000> it can't be cpu being locked up as people have tried setting nice value to 19
[2:00] <kn1000> rtorrent causes the same problem
[2:00] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: Unless they're solid state relays
[2:00] <plugwash> it appears to be a bug in the network and/or USB host drivers that deadlocks the kernel under heavy load
[2:00] <kn1000> plugwash: so known by the sounds of things?
[2:01] <kn1000> Link to a bug report or something?
[2:01] <plugwash> increasing vm.min_free_kbytes seems to reduce the frequency of the problem but not eliminate it
[2:01] <harold> stain: where do you suggest I look for/buy these sensors?
[2:01] <harold> (I am on somewhat of a budget -- I want to keep it to $50 tops)
[2:02] <plugwash> i'm not aware of a bug report as such but I do know that the general consensus is that the USB host driver is so awful it needs a complete rewrite
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[2:02] <kn1000> plugwash: ah is it closed source broadcomm stuff?
[2:03] <plugwash> it's open source, just really low quality code driving an undocumented perhipheral
[2:03] <kn1000> ah
[2:03] <kn1000> makes sense
[2:03] <buZz> can we even do bug reports?
[2:04] <kn1000> so hopefully one day there will be a fix! just found something that will apparantly reboot the pi if it crashes at a very low level, may try that as a workaround
[2:04] <buZz> is there any active development around it?
[2:04] <plugwash> there is a rpi-kernel mailing list somewhere IIRC
[2:04] <buZz> ah hmm
[2:04] <plugwash> but I dunno if there is any active development going on at the moment
[2:04] <buZz> http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-rpi-kernel
[2:05] <buZz> seems quite fresh :)
[2:07] <plugwash> Looking at that list it seems at the moment they are working on getting the basic support for the stuff upstreamed
[2:09] <plugwash> looks like if someone is working ona USB driver rewrite at the moment they aren't announching thier progress on that list
[2:09] <plugwash> *basic support for the stuff they do have reasonable quality drivers for
[2:09] <buZz> yeah and i get a whiff of hesitation from broadcom/raspi-inc on getting their code into linus' kernel
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[2:09] <buZz> well imho mainline kernel support really is a MUST
[2:10] <buZz> all these arm things just need to learn to behave, so we can properly support them
[2:10] <plugwash> but there is no way that linus is going to accept the current USB driver code
[2:10] <buZz> yeah, and no way broadcom is releasing the docs, i bet
[2:11] <plugwash> IIRC the issue is that broadcom bought in the USB module from a third party
[2:11] <plugwash> so they don't own the specs to release them.....
[2:11] <buZz> maybe we can get raspi-inc to just hire someone, let them sign a NDA, write a FOSS driver, and throw it to linus
[2:11] <chithead> probably the nda would not allow disclosing the source code to the driver
[2:12] <kn1000> apparantly there's a 'fix' in a later kernel
[2:12] <buZz> if we complain loud enough ;)
[2:12] <kn1000> gonna attempt it now
[2:12] <buZz> chithead: not always true
[2:12] <plugwash> chithead, well the current driver is opensource
[2:12] <plugwash> and was produced by the vendor of the IP core
[2:12] <buZz> and probably based on some spec ;)
[2:13] <plugwash> worst case the hardware probablly can be reverse engineered from the current driver
[2:13] <plugwash> and then a well-coded driver written
[2:13] <plugwash> it's just a lot of work
[2:13] <plugwash> and really requires someone who lives and breathes USB
[2:14] <kn1000> wow pushing 3.2MB/s on a download then, decent throughput out of this thing
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[2:15] <buZz> plugwash: sadly i am long away from being this person ;)
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[2:16] <kkimlabs> Q: is it possible to use multiple i2c by configuring remaining GPIOs?
[2:17] <plugwash> It is possible to bitbang i2c master without too much difficulty
[2:18] <plugwash> it will obviously be a more CPU intensive process than using a dedicated i2c module though
[2:18] <kkimlabs> hmm...
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[2:22] <buZz> plugwash: ah, i organized those leaseweb mirrors for you guys ;)
[2:23] <plugwash> yeah I noticed, not sure if you ever told us what the "rules of engagement" on them were though
[2:23] <buZz> ehm, i gave you a contact email with them, they are pretty leanback attitude
[2:23] <buZz> 'd
[2:23] <buZz> :)
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[2:23] <plugwash> not sure if you sent it to me or only to mpthompson
[2:24] <buZz> only to mp
[2:24] <buZz> you want it? pm me an email address
[2:24] <buZz> :D
[2:24] <plugwash> plugwash@raspbian.org
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[2:24] <kkimlabs> btw, I'm really amazed by how cheap raspberrypi is... is this even possible?!?!
[2:25] <buZz> kkimlabs: been for some time, sadly not a lot of NPO producing hardware ;)
[2:25] <plugwash> kkimlabs, sure it just required some guys to stick their necks out by doing the design work for free and by going for a pretty large initial batch to keep per-unit assembly costs down
[2:26] <kkimlabs> I see.. this is awesome
[2:27] <plugwash> also IIRC broadcom helped a bit by giving them pricing that would normally only be available to higher volume customers
[2:27] <buZz> yeah and they were even allowed to take smaller batches of the cips
[2:27] <buZz> chips*
[2:27] <buZz> something we could never get done by ourselves
[2:28] <plugwash> I need to get arround to setting up a mirror redirection system but it's not top of my priority list right now
[2:28] <plugwash> since we aren't actually pushing all that much bandwidth at the moment
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[2:28] <kn1000> okay, blunt probably obvious question, which is better, armel or armhf
[2:28] <buZz> probably wont ever be a lot of bandwidth
[2:28] <buZz> armhf
[2:28] <kn1000> by what degree?
[2:29] <buZz> by a floating degree :D
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[2:29] <buZz> there are some benchmarks someone made
[2:29] <kn1000> buZz: my head hurts xD
[2:29] <plugwash> buZz, well the thing is an "apt-get update" alone is about 5 megabytes or so
[2:29] <buZz> in general stuff got faster
[2:29] <Dyskette> kn1000, it depends on how many floating-point calculations a given task requires
[2:29] <kn1000> fair enough, it's just I've found some guy online who's compiling new kernels with fixes online
[2:29] <kn1000> but they're armel
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[2:30] <plugwash> the kernel doesn't really care
[2:30] <buZz> i think you can mix armel kernel with armhf userland
[2:30] <kn1000> buZz: how sure are you?
[2:30] <kn1000> xD
[2:30] <buZz> about 13
[2:30] <plugwash> you can, the kernel abi is the same and floating point register saving has to be present for armel too
[2:31] <plugwash> since armel code can be built to use the FPU
[2:31] <buZz> i assumed plugwash knew and would compliment the statement with actual facts :)
[2:31] <JMichael|Party> would there be any reason why installing vim would be inadvisable on the pi?
[2:31] <kn1000> plugwash: I'm just trying to fix the device hanging on high network load issue
[2:31] <buZz> JMichael|Party: yeah its a horrible editor
[2:31] <buZz> :)
[2:31] <boomtakzaag> horrible? why?
[2:31] <kn1000> and this kernal is 3.2.23r1
[2:31] <JMichael|Party> buZz: yes, but other than that?
[2:31] <JMichael|Party> :-D
[2:32] <buZz> :P
[2:32] <buZz> no clue, i just use nano all the time, or gedit if i'm in a clicky mood
[2:32] <plugwash> when I tried one of bootc's 3.2 based kernels I found it far less stable than the foundation kernel
[2:32] <buZz> JMichael|Party: i cant see why it could be a bad idea? what made you ask that question?
[2:32] <plugwash> that was a while ago though
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[2:32] <buZz> i really want 3.2.x on pi
[2:32] <buZz> or newer :/
[2:33] <JMichael|Party> buZz: i guess it was a silly question... i am just concerned about keeping the performance optimal
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[2:33] <kn1000> http://www.bootc.net/projects/raspberry-pi-kernel/
[2:33] <buZz> JMichael|Party: i think the performance is only affected by programs you are running, instead of just installing
[2:33] <kn1000> latest is the 15th
[2:33] <plugwash> what I don't know is what the average update frequency of a Pi user will be so I kinda assumed the worst when doing sums on bandwidth requirements
[2:33] <plugwash> and reality hasn't been anywhere near as bad
[2:34] <JMichael|Party> yes, only makes sense. ty.
[2:34] <plugwash> we are averaging arround 30 megabits per second at the moment
[2:38] <kn1000> looks like someone is looking into the usb drivers "and ethernet working over SPI so we can still use mass storage and networking while we rewrite the SD and USB drivers."
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[2:38] <buZz> wtf @ https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/2
[2:39] <buZz> plugwash: does raspbian have this bug patched?
[2:41] <plugwash> right now raspbian is not really offering it's own kernel (there is a kernel in the repo but it's bootc based and IMO too unstable to use)
[2:41] <buZz> ah ok
[2:41] <plugwash> the foundation image uses a foundation kernel and I am not keeping track of what bugs they have or have not patched
[2:42] <buZz> oh the github doesnt track their kernel?
[2:43] <plugwash> I honestly have no idea, I always seem to lose when I try and work with git
[2:44] <GriffenJBS> I've read 4.75-5.25V range any idea the actual limits for the power supply?
[2:44] <buZz> heh, well i saw bootc link to this bug as motivation for his work on 3.2
[2:44] <GriffenJBS> I'm asking more about the high side
[2:45] <plugwash> the honest answer is that noone really knows how high one can safely run in the long term because we don't have the datasheet for the SOC
[2:46] <buZz> i run mine on a 5.05V 2A source
[2:46] <kn1000> is there any hope ever of vetting the datasheet?
[2:46] <kn1000> getting*
[2:47] <IT_Sean> probably not :p
[2:47] <IT_Sean> at least, not anytime soon
[2:47] <plugwash> I highly doubt we will ever get a full datasheet, we may get some more bits than we have at the moment
[2:47] <buZz> maybe we can dumpsterdive some printed copies of it from broadcom offices :P
[2:47] <kn1000> lol
[2:47] <kn1000> petition!
[2:47] <plugwash> personally if I was designing a PSU for the Pi i'd aim for 5.1V
[2:47] <buZz> i'm up for it if someones driving ;)
[2:48] <GriffenJBS> I have a few supplies that I'd like to use but they are high and I'm nervous, looking over the datasheet it looks safe, the BCM doesn't seem to touch the 5V
[2:48] <kn1000> can't wait for the heatsinks to arrive, this thing runs surprisingly hot
[2:48] <kn1000> I've run it fine on 5.25v
[2:48] <plugwash> GriffenJBS, umm have you never read the schematic?!
[2:49] <plugwash> the 5V line is fed into the "battery" pin on the SOC
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[2:51] <JMichael|Party> i am hanging at the point where it is trying to start sshd... is there a way to get it to give up and just go on this time?
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[2:54] <GriffenJBS> Ah yes so it is, pins A13-15,B13-14
[2:59] <GriffenJBS> I've found a few 5V rails running up to 5.65, close and most regs would be no problem, but the pi is a little more complicated than a 7805
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[2:59] <plugwash> buZz, I saw your email about the leaseweb mirrors, no information on rules of engagement though
[3:01] <plugwash> In particular whether they mind taking "out of region" traffic
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[3:02] <sirspazzolot> godfather is on amc right now if any americans are interested
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[3:08] <Zagrophyte> anyone successful getting NodeJS 0.8.x working on wheezy?
[3:09] <Zagrophyte> using bbxml to interface with my LED sign, want to make a service to post XML files to display thingson my sign
[3:10] <rigid> Zagrophyte: what LED sign? http://wiki.niftylight.de ?
[3:11] <rigid> Zagrophyte: i guess it's no graphic display, is it?
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[3:12] <Zagrophyte> rigid: that's cool
[3:12] <Zagrophyte> rigid: I am using a BetaBrite sign (1036)
[3:13] <Zagrophyte> http://www.adaptivedisplays.com/Media/97036011.pdf
[3:13] <Hodapp> Hmmm, so writing a single byte alternately to spidev0.0 and spidev0.1 via write(...) gives CE0/CE1 down for about 50 usec and up for... disgustingly longer
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[3:13] <rigid> Zagrophyte: ah... i guess it's character only
[3:13] <Zagrophyte> and BBXML to pipe control XML into the serial port http://sio.midco.net/dfranklin/bbxml/bbxml/doc/index.html
[3:13] <Zagrophyte> rigid: well you can push your own custom bitmaps
[3:14] <Zagrophyte> to make animations
[3:14] <Zagrophyte> but yeah, it's not going to dazzle you with raster graphics :D
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[3:15] <rigid> Zagrophyte: ah... if you can push bitmaps, you could write a niftyled plugin & use things like VLC or ledcat to push pixels to it
[3:15] <rigid> i guess it's not very high framerate tho
[3:15] <Zagrophyte> rigid: cool, yeah was just about to say, framerate would be poor since you have to store each frame and then display it
[3:15] <rigid> with niftyled you can even combine multiple of those to form one larger display ;)
[3:15] <Zagrophyte> mainly this is for information display
[3:16] <rigid> yep... niftyled supports that... the "send" and "show" stages are seperated
[3:17] <rigid> for text only, niftyled is not really suited. Plugins receive raw chains of LED brightness values... everything else (colorspace conversion, pixel mapping, etc.) happens automagically according to the XML config file
[3:17] <rigid> Zagrophyte: how long does it take to upload a frame?
[3:18] <Hodapp> whoops, I missed the little detail that on the ShiftBrite I only have between clock pulses to drive the latch high and then low, and the clock pulses are at 500 kHz...
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[3:19] <Zagrophyte> rigid: I'm not sure I've never tried
[3:19] <rigid> to convert to RGY colorspace could be challenging :-P but the plugin could process RGB data suitable for the display
[3:20] <Zagrophyte> yeah, mainly has 8 main colors preprogrammed into the protocol
[3:20] <rigid> Zagrophyte: if it's not slow like 1s per frame, you'd still get nice results i'd guess
[3:20] <Zagrophyte> rigid: well it has 32K memory, so perhaps some buffering is possible
[3:20] <techsurvivor> it's similar, i bet both are much better than python's default though
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[3:21] <rigid> Zagrophyte: how much is one of those displays?
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[3:22] <Zagrophyte> rigid: I got mine back in 2003 or so for $75
[3:22] <Zagrophyte> on ebay
[3:22] <rigid> ah... that's a reasonable price
[3:22] <Zagrophyte> yeah, it's been great
[3:22] <Zagrophyte> also has a piezo speaker you can beep with
[3:22] <rigid> full RGB 16x8 pixels come for about $200 so this is not much
[3:22] <rigid> hehe
[3:23] <Zagrophyte> betabrite prism appears to be the RGB model
[3:24] <rigid> yeah, i don't find prices tho
[3:25] <Zagrophyte> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beta-Brite-RGB-LED-DISPLAY-25-inches-/120959595197?pt=BI_Signage&hash=item1c29c0f2bd#ht_500wt_1413
[3:25] <Zagrophyte> NOT RGB
[3:25] <Zagrophyte> but that is what I have
[3:25] <rigid> ah
[3:25] <rigid> well, those are pretty rigid... i think a modular system is better for hacking
[3:26] <Zagrophyte> the only unfortunate thing is many sellers strip out the power supply and re-sell because it is worth so much (35W 7.5V)
[3:26] <rigid> nice 4x4 pixel modules ;)
[3:26] <rigid> wtf? it should eat anything between say 7V and 24V
[3:26] <rigid> i really overengineer my system :)
[3:26] <Zagrophyte> my modules are 7x5 pixels X 16
[3:26] <Zagrophyte> within sign
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[3:27] <rigid> Zagrophyte: you can take them apart?
[3:27] <Zagrophyte> rigid: yeah, I have another sign that is lying dormant because I can't find a power supply for it
[3:27] <Zagrophyte> rigid: well I'm sure you can, but if it already has a protocol and serial comm, unless you're hardcore no need to
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[3:30] <rigid> Zagrophyte: with my system you can do stuff like this: http://boogiepalace.hopto.org/stuff/out000156.jpg
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[3:31] <rigid> but it's of course something different... but really, the PSU issue sucks
[3:31] <rigid> if the display is $75 and the PSU is something like $30 you can almost get RGB :)
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[3:33] <Zagrophyte> well mine came with it and that one might too, but I wasn't wary way back then when I got the 2nd one
[3:33] <Zagrophyte> (cool viz)
[3:33] <rigid> ah
[3:34] <rigid> Zagrophyte: nah that's nothing... just a crappy HDR shot... check those out: http://wiki.niftylight.de/Category:Showroom ;)
[3:35] <rigid> if they come with some standard connector i guess it's fine, although 7.5v is a bit strange
[3:35] <rigid> i bet you can feed 9V into it... depends on what's inside... probably some sort of drop converter or step down converter
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[3:35] <Zagrophyte> nah, I've heard that's a great way to fry them
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[3:36] <Zagrophyte> can bever count on other engineer's leaving wiggle room :D
[3:36] <Zagrophyte> *never
[3:36] <rigid> really? :( poor design then
[3:36] <Zagrophyte> amerpage, sure give it 5 amps it will only draw what it needs
[3:36] <Zagrophyte> voltage? linear regulators shed a LOT of heat when you go over spec
[3:36] <rigid> my modules come with 7V-24V DCDC converter for every modules ;)
[3:36] <Zagrophyte> or components will just let out the magic smoke
[3:37] <rigid> indeed... that's why good designers choose switching regulators
[3:37] <Zagrophyte> your modules are made for tinkering though, vs a retail product :D
[3:37] <rigid> yes... but people just lasercut the case to their needs
[3:37] <Zagrophyte> although, I did bring a Linksys WAP back to life recently by accidentally overvolting it
[3:38] <rigid> when niftyled is stable software, i'll also offer some nice shiny case ;)
[3:38] <rigid> lol
[3:38] <rigid> i guess you call that the "magic spark"
[3:38] <Zagrophyte> haha yeah
[3:38] <rigid> defibrilation for electronics :-P
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[3:39] <buZz> plugwash: for more details about the mirrors i'm afraid i have to send you to the email address
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[3:41] <MycoRunner> rigid: what are those LED displays you're linking to??
[3:41] <rigid> MycoRunner: my modules...
[3:41] <jaxdahl> Zagrophyte, i killed a wap11 by putting 9v in the 5v
[3:42] <MycoRunner> you made them? is it like a bank of LEDs with a diffuser in front of it?
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[3:42] <rigid> MycoRunner: yes... i'm actually only offering the modules (yet)... the case was made by a customer and the diffusor is simple acryl
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[3:43] <MycoRunner> very cool
[3:43] <rigid> tnx :)
[3:43] <rigid> and cost effective, too :-P
[3:44] <Hodapp> bahhh. any other bus I can tap into and somehow get it to accurately give pulses to ~ 0.1-0.2 usec? I may just have to connect this to a micro
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[3:45] <rigid> ok, no cheap advertising & back to the code ;)
[3:45] <Zagrophyte> jaxdahl: hehe, I put 12V in and the display started fading.....down.... so I yanked it, waited a bit, then put 5V
[3:45] <Zagrophyte> suddenly it worked
[3:45] <Zagrophyte> :D
[3:45] <Zagrophyte> (it was unresponsive before, which is why I got it for free)
[3:45] <rigid> Zagrophyte: if you want to play with niftyled you can use the arduino plugin (it uses RS232)... just bug me if you need help
[3:45] <GriffenJBS> anyone here have write access to mirrordirector.raspbian.org?
[3:45] <Zagrophyte> ok rigid, thanks
[3:46] <JMichael|Party> would anyone here know anything about getting an rt3070-based wifi adapter going in raspian?
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[3:46] <GriffenJBS> JMichael|Party: no I don't, what's the problem?
[3:46] <Zagrophyte> I'm actually using the WAP54G as my raspberry pi's wireless uplink
[3:46] <Zagrophyte> :D
[3:47] <techman2> clear
[3:47] <techman2> doh
[3:47] <techman2> wrong window
[3:48] <GriffenJBS> JMichael|Party: does it show up in lsusb?
[3:48] <JMichael|Party> GriffenJBS: the only problem is that i cannot get it to work
[3:49] <JMichael|Party> GriffenJBS: i will have to check that again. i had troed a belkin f5d7050. it showed up in lsusb, but would not work at all, either
[3:49] <JMichael|Party> tried*
[3:51] <chithead> the brand is not important, but the chipset inside is
[3:51] <GriffenJBS> JMichael|Party: run "ifconfig wlan0 up"
[3:51] <GriffenJBS> run "iwlist wlan0 scan"
[3:51] <JMichael|Party> GriffenJBS: i'd had the rt3070 adapter working in debian, after following these instructions: http://mitchtech.net/realtek-wireless-dongle-rt3070-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[3:51] <JMichael|Party> GriffenJBS: yea, no. none of that worked.
[3:52] <JMichael|Party> i should mention that i do have wicd installed
[3:52] <GriffenJBS> ok... but what went wrong? can't fix "it didn't work"
[3:53] <JMichael|Party> from my experience with wifi adapter, 'it didn't work' most certainly can be fixed, if a person is familiar with how to get a certain chipset going
[3:53] <JMichael|Party> adapters*
[3:53] <GriffenJBS> ... yes, but I can't see your system, so I have no idea what's wrong, any error messages you can tell us?
[3:53] <GriffenJBS> is it showing up in lsusb?
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[3:54] <chithead> is it showing up in "ifconfig -a"
[3:54] <JMichael|Party> like i said, i will have to check out lsusb again for the rt3070... i can't remember whether or not it showed up. i'll be back in a few seconds
[3:55] <JMichael|Party> no, neither adapter showed up in the output for ifconfig -a
[3:55] <JMichael|Party> brb
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[3:55] <GriffenJBS> I guess the pi isn't near him
[3:56] <Ionic`> chithead o/
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[3:56] <GriffenJBS> if nothing showed up if 'ifconfig -a' it looks to be a driver/module/usb problem
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[3:57] <JMichael|Party> GriffenJBS: yes, i was assuming it was a module issue
[3:58] <JMichael|Party> GriffenJBS: it does indeed show up under lsusb. dmesg shows a vendor id error
[3:58] <chithead> plug it in ubuntu or something, see which module gets loaded for it
[3:58] <nevyn> rasbian?
[3:59] <nevyn> you'll need firmware?
[3:59] <chithead> and don't be afraid to pastebin actual logs
[4:00] <GriffenJBS> oh gawd, they have you clone the kernel source to copy one file
[4:00] <JMichael|Party> nevyn: it appears to me that raspian includes the ralink-firmware package
[4:00] <nevyn> ah
[4:00] <nevyn> JMichael|Party: ootb?
[4:00] <nevyn> or just having enabled non-free?
[4:00] <JMichael|Party> nevyn: yep, i went to install it, and it was already there
[4:00] <GriffenJBS> I read over the instructions JMichael|Party linked to
[4:01] <JMichael|Party> nevyn: there are non-free repos enabled by default
[4:01] <nevyn> JMichael|Party: so you still have to apt-get install ralink-firmware?
[4:01] <JMichael|Party> GriffenJBS: the comments indicate that the firmware they link to in the article is the same version as what is included in wheezy... i didn't try to confirm that
[4:02] <JMichael|Party> nevyn: no, it was there ootb
[4:02] <nevyn> ah.
[4:04] <chithead> wlan0 will appear even in the absence of firmware
[4:04] <JMichael|Party> chithead: yes, tha was the case in debian
[4:05] <JMichael|Party> i should also mention that i am using a motorola lapdock, and have been pludding the adapters into its free USB port
[4:05] <JMichael|Party> plugging*
[4:06] <chithead> but does it make a difference when you plug it directly into the pi?
[4:06] <GriffenJBS> ok so does lsusb look right?
[4:06] <GriffenJBS> are the logs asking for the firmware (is it loading?)
[4:06] <JMichael|Party> lsusb looks right each time, for the rt3070
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[4:07] <JMichael|Party> i am not sure whether or not it is loading.... i guess i had [probably falsely] made the assumption that it would load automatically
[4:07] <GriffenJBS> if it didn't load you should be getting error messages in /var/log/syslog
[4:08] <JMichael|Party> ok, lemme look
[4:08] <chithead> rt2800usb loads firmware only when bringing up the interface
[4:08] <chithead> which requires first that wlan0 actually exists
[4:08] <GriffenJBS> chithead: good to know, thanks for mentioning that
[4:08] <GriffenJBS> chithead: have you used wicd?
[4:09] <chithead> wicd won't help until the kernel is configured correctly
[4:09] <GriffenJBS> I've never used it, so I won't be much help if he needs it later
[4:10] <JMichael|Party> syslog is only mentioning the vendor error
[4:10] <chithead> JMichael|Party: and it is so scary that you are still refusing to pastebin?
[4:11] <GriffenJBS> yeah, pasting a line or two here, or more to pastebin would help greatly
[4:11] <JMichael|Party> chithead: eh.... i have the pi hooked up to ethernet in another part of the house, and do not have an IRC client configured on the pi
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[4:11] <GriffenJBS> Ahh so typing it all out is a pain
[4:11] <chithead> you need ssh connection and curl or wgetpaste or pastebinit
[4:12] <JMichael|Party> yes, i was just thinking about how silly i was being
[4:12] <GriffenJBS> if he could ssh he wouldn't have a network problem
[4:12] <JMichael|Party> GriffenJBS: i have ethernet connected atm... i can ssh
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[4:12] <GriffenJBS> can you plug ethernet in?
[4:12] <JMichael|Party> yea, it's connected
[4:13] <chithead> so pastebin dmesg and give us the link
[4:13] <GriffenJBS> Your killing me man, details, either I missed or it wasn't there
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[4:13] <chithead> don't let us drag all information out of you
[4:14] <JMichael|Party> chithead: i actually had already stated just a few lines back that ethernet was connected, you're the one who missed that
[4:14] <JMichael|Party> or GriffenJBS ... doesn't matter
[4:15] <JMichael|Party> ok, i am ssh'd in.. i can post anything that might be useful
[4:15] <chithead> start with a pastebin of dmesg
[4:15] <JMichael|Party> ok
[4:16] <JMichael|Party> btw, sorry for not thinking about ssh'ing in... was a bit too focused on the adapter
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[4:18] <JMichael|Party> i may need to reboot, as it has not liked me plugging and unplugging the dongle
[4:19] <chithead> in the meantime, give us the pastebin link as it should show the first time you connected it
[4:20] <JMichael|Party> yea, i just installed pastebinit and am waiting for it to give me a link... it's taking a bit
[4:21] <JMichael|Party> ok, it's taking a really long bit
[4:21] <chithead> is curl installed? run dmesg | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[4:22] * JMichael|Party sigh
[4:22] <JMichael|Party> i can't kill pastebinit from the terminal... i'll brb
[4:22] <chithead> open another ssh connection
[4:23] <JMichael|Party> it won't let me, it's choking
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[4:37] <JMichael|Party> the thing hangs at trying to start sshd every time, with the adapter connected
[4:38] <JMichael|Party> if i wait to plug the adapter in after the pi is running, it makes the whole OS unstable, and ifconfig will no longer work
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[4:56] <Zagrophyte> JMichaelX: this lapdock, it is a powered hub?
[4:57] <Zagrophyte> *has
[4:58] <Zagrophyte> basically, you want to make sure you have enough power for both the adapter and the Pi
[4:59] <Zagrophyte> otherwise you will experience lots of instability
[4:59] <Zagrophyte> you could try a powered hub if you have one to make sure that's not an issue
[5:00] <Zagrophyte> more: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=7559 [LapDock/RP USB power issues]
[5:02] <Zagrophyte> looks like you will need to use the microUSB and a Y-cable to join the power feeds to properly power everything.
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[5:13] <JMichaelX> Zagrophyte: ty, i will look through all of that
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[5:34] <JMichaelX> i'm wondering if there aren't newer wifi adapters which use less power, that might work well with the lapdock
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[5:40] <maicod> is the Pi 100 or 10mbit ethernet ? I wondered since I saw that the LED says 10M
[5:43] <PiBot> 10/100
[5:43] <maicod> so its 100 if the other side is 100 too rite?
[5:43] <maicod> or 1000 :)
[5:45] <ThatOneGuy> or 1 BILLION bits (pinky to corner of mouth) MUAHAHA
[5:45] <maicod> :)
[5:46] <maicod> nah a bit is 8x not 10x :)
[5:46] <maicod> in bits its 8x I mean :)
[5:46] <Ionic`> ... what?
[5:46] <maicod> ionic: :P
[5:46] <maicod> I didnt tick your name :P
[5:47] <Ionic`> 8 bits => 1 byte
[5:47] <maicod> yep I said that
[5:47] <maicod> by eight=byte
[5:47] <maicod> ionic: u good?
[5:47] <Ionic`> who was talking about bytes though?
[5:47] <Ionic`> none
[5:48] <Ionic`> ThatOneGuy made a gbit joke
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[5:48] <maicod> its OK
[5:48] <maicod> I know 10/100/1000 network speeds is bits too
[5:48] <Ionic`> dunno, I've been at university, could've been better
[5:48] <maicod> oh that sucks
[5:48] <Ionic`> hm?
[5:49] <maicod> ionic: when the OK led flashes does that mean SD card activity or does it light for other stuff too?
[5:49] <ThatOneGuy> 10 (Mega-bits) / 100 (Mega-bits) / 1000(Mega-bits) or 1 (Giga-bit)
[5:49] <Ionic`> and gcc is still "compiling"
[5:49] <Ionic`> maicod: AFAIK it's SD-card activity
[5:49] <Ionic`> well unless you put another trigger on it
[5:49] <maicod> OK why the hell didnt they call it SDcard or such :)
[5:49] <maicod> instead of OK :)
[5:49] <Ionic`> I guess OK is also briefly lighting up when putting it on power
[5:49] <maicod> ah
[5:50] <ThatOneGuy> OK - Outstanding Kondition, hybrid of German and English :P
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[5:50] <maicod> ja :)
[5:50] * nevyn looks for a rpi psu for cheap
[5:50] <maicod> nevyn how cheap?
[5:50] <maicod> they don't cost much at all
[5:50] <maicod> 6 euros or so
[5:50] <ThatOneGuy> turns out my cell phone charge was the same usb style and provided the right watts and amps so I just use that
[5:50] <ThatOneGuy> charger*
[5:50] <maicod> yeah
[5:50] <thrawed> nevyn: don't buy a super cheap random chinese make
[5:51] <maicod> thrawed: unless its 1A rating ?
[5:51] <Ionic`> and my gcc is still "compiling" :(
[5:51] <thrawed> maicod: Sure, but the super cheap ones tend to mislead with their ratings
[5:51] <ThatOneGuy> I have an old external hdd case I was thinking of putting one or two PIs in there
[5:51] <thrawed> ThatOneGuy: that is exactly what the designers had in mind
[5:51] <maicod> ionic: how often you gonna say that :PPP
[5:52] <Ionic`> maicod: even then... http://joesacher.com/wp-content/images/posts/CapacitorProblemSm.jpg
[5:52] <monthos> probably as often as he needs to, while its still compiling.
[5:52] <Ionic`> oh
[5:52] <Ionic`> did I say that already?
[5:52] <Ionic`> it's not even compiling
[5:52] <maicod> yeah believe so
[5:52] <Ionic`> it's doing test cases
[5:52] <maicod> <Ionic`> and gcc is still "compiling"
[5:52] <monthos> Ionic`: That is so funny and sad
[5:52] <Ionic`> cause I forgot to disable this stuff and figured it wouldn't take too long
[5:52] <maicod> :(
[5:52] <monthos> I am saving that for later use :)
[5:52] <Ionic`> monthos: and true
[5:53] <maicod> poor ionic
[5:53] <ThatOneGuy> the only thing is I wanted to provide power with one port on the back for both. I would have to provide double the watts right? my electrics is pretty rusty
[5:53] <maicod> ionic: I found out that extrememory is German :)
[5:53] <Ionic`> is it?
[5:53] <maicod> yea
[5:53] <Ionic`> didn't know that
[5:54] <Ionic`> made in china or taiwan anyway so meh
[5:54] <Ionic`> "German"
[5:54] <maicod> ofc but its designed from Germany then
[5:54] <maicod> quality controlled etc.
[5:54] <ThatOneGuy> extrememory -> etrememory
[5:54] <Ionic`> lol
[5:54] <Ionic`> their website is german too
[5:54] <ThatOneGuy> according to google translate but a duckduckgo search shows it possible refers to SD cards
[5:54] <Ionic`> fail
[5:55] <thrawed> ThatOneGuy: you can get usb mains adaptors designed to power two usb devices at the same time
[5:56] <thrawed> Ionic`: your browser doesn't automatically translate german for you?
[5:56] <maicod> I guess those chinese usb wall psu's are not stable enough
[5:56] <Ionic`> thrawed: i'm not using chrome
[5:56] <thrawed> Ionic`: use chrome then
[5:56] <Ionic`> hell no
[5:56] <thrawed> chrome is the superior browser
[5:56] <ThatOneGuy> a firefox man? or (*shudder*) an IE9 man?
[5:56] <Ionic`> i'll stick with my firefox till I either die or get something better
[5:56] <maicod> has anyone got a LED diagram of the Pi ?
[5:56] <Ionic`> and chrome is not
[5:57] <maicod> depicting what each led is for I mean
[5:57] <thrawed> Ionic`: it's not debatable
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[5:57] <thrawed> Ionic`: firefox used to be good 3+ years ago, but it's a pile of shit now
[5:57] <Ionic`> thrawed: also, german is probably not the best language for holding this debate, as it is my primary language :S
[5:57] <Ionic`> I don't see why it would be
[5:57] <maicod> ionic: I got into hating firefox for enforcing cosmetic changes when they release a new security updated version
[5:58] <Ionic`> it offers everything I need, albeit with plugins
[5:58] <maicod> thrawed: u agree that it sucks that they make changes to the layout when updating for security ?
[5:58] <thrawed> ever since they tried to mimic chrome's release cycle their quality control has gone downhill
[5:59] <thrawed> maicod: It depends how major the release is
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[5:59] <Ionic`> I disable cosmetic changes anyway
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[5:59] <Ionic`> so far, Firefox hasn't pissed me off with un-deactivatable UI changes yet
[5:59] <Ionic`> unlike Thunderbird
[5:59] <ThatOneGuy> at first I didn't like chrome because of all the user data it sent to google, but its in the settings so I tweeked them all and now I really like it. but to each his own
[6:00] <thrawed> Chromes updates are completely transparent, firefox has to prompt you to reinstall it, and then freaks out when your addons don't make the release number.
[6:00] <thrawed> *match
[6:00] <Ionic`> I don't want transparent updates!
[6:00] <thrawed> Ionic`: Yes you do
[6:00] <Ionic`> hell, how I hate this stuff
[6:01] <Ionic`> no, I really don't
[6:01] <monthos> I only ever started using chrome because firefox would not copy/paste an html table easily into outlook/excel (work related)
[6:01] <monthos> still use firefox at home
[6:01] <Ionic`> I'd like to receive notifications, but no automatic updates
[6:01] <ThatOneGuy> no he doesn't if there is something in an update he doesn't want he doesn't have to update
[6:01] <thrawed> ThatOneGuy: Then he won't be getting security updates
[6:01] <MoleMan_> which version of network manager should I install for GUI wireless network config?
[6:01] <Ionic`> or if I just don't want to restart my browser at that time
[6:02] <thrawed> Ionic`: chrome never prompts you to restard your browser
[6:02] <ThatOneGuy> yeah it doesnt
[6:02] <thrawed> Ionic`: like I said, it's completely transparent
[6:02] <ThatOneGuy> it upgrades at next launch
[6:02] <Ionic`> and I won't even know?
[6:02] <MoleMan_> yeah, but chrome is generically shit... so there is your choice...
[6:02] <Ionic`> even better :S
[6:02] <thrawed> MoleMan_: And how did you come to that conclusion?
[6:02] <Ionic`> and I don't like the UI, visually
[6:02] <maicod> chrome is too much precooked stuff for me
[6:02] <Ionic`> does chrome even support skins?
[6:02] <MoleMan_> everything about it
[6:02] <thrawed> maicod: define precooked
[6:03] <Ionic`> and is there some advanced configuration menu?
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[6:03] <thrawed> Ionic`: yes, yes
[6:03] <Ionic`> it can't even tell it to ASK me if I want to have cookies from site X, for instance
[6:03] <MoleMan_> anyway, wireless network config, what do?
[6:03] <Ionic`> and there's no soft-crypto device like firefox has, with master password and stuff
[6:03] <maicod> thrawed: forget it :) I just don't like it
[6:03] <yankhates> MoleMan_: wicd-curses?
[6:04] <maicod> moleman: had trouble getting network-manager to 'takeover' the control of my wired (and probably wireless) devices
[6:04] <maicod> so far haven't succeeded
[6:04] <thrawed> Ionic`: Of course you can block cookies on a per site basis
[6:05] <Ionic`> thrawed: whever a site wants to store cookies?
[6:05] <ThatOneGuy> I have mine to block third party cookies
[6:05] <Ionic`> I don't want to block cookies per se, I want my browser to ask me for every cookie
[6:05] <MoleMan_> which version even needs installing? I installed network-manager and still nothing, I'm guessing that doesn't actually include the GUI front-end...
[6:05] <ThatOneGuy> I believe if you set it to don't allow cookies you can add exceptions per cookie either via the menu or via a little cookie icon in the URL bar
[6:07] <ThatOneGuy> exceptions per *site* either
[6:07] <Ionic`> (btw, this feature makes my FF "crash" on OS X more often than not but ing eneral I still love it dearly)
[6:07] <maicod> does one program GPIO in a manner like on the Arduino ?
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[6:08] <maicod> moleman: I think u need the network-manager-applet
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[6:15] <MoleMan_> maicod: thanks, it seems to be being painfully slow ATM so is taking foreever to install something, tis 5 so I'm going to go to bed... will try tomorrow
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[6:17] <yankhates> is there a way im missing to set the sdtv video resolution in /boot/config.txt?
[6:17] <maicod> good luck tomorrow moleman
[6:18] * maicod wonders if the GPU of the Pi can be used for calculation :)
[6:19] <maicod> processing
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[6:23] <Ionic`> lol, you want to do OpenCL on those devices?
[6:25] <ThatOneGuy> idk if OpenCL is available
[6:28] <maicod> well I just wonder if it can be used to strengthen the total processing power ;)
[6:28] <maicod> so that is called openCL I guess :)
[6:29] <maicod> its funny that the GPU is the one booting up the PI btw :)
[6:29] <maicod> so in fact its doing more than just making video work :)
[6:30] <maicod> first thing what happens is the GPU digesting config.txt etc.
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[6:33] <maicod> ThatOneGuy: sorry need to go
[6:33] <ThatOneGuy> me too
[6:33] <maicod> okay :)
[6:33] <ThatOneGuy> playing LoL :P
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[6:34] <stiltzkin> Hey guys! Just got my Pi and I've been loving it so far. Just trying to get wireless set up. Anyone have any experience loading firmware modules in Debian? I've been trying to load carl9170 to get my Netgear WN111v2 working, but I'm getting "firmware upload failed (-110)" in dmesg. Not sure what that means, or how to know for sure if the adapter just isn't getting enough power.
[6:34] <Ionic`> stiltzkin: did you install the firmware?
[6:35] <stiltzkin> yep, installed the firmware blob to /usr/local/lib/firmware
[6:35] <stiltzkin> per here: http://wiki.debian.org/carl9170
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[6:35] <Ionic`> uhm
[6:35] <Ionic`> /usr/local?
[6:35] <Ionic`> does the kernel/udev/bla know to look there?
[6:36] <Ionic`> hmm
[6:36] <stiltzkin> I would assume it would...
[6:36] <stiltzkin> and it looks like it's getting loaded
[6:36] <JMichaelX> anyone here using a motorola lapdock with their pi, and with working wifi?
[6:36] <Ionic`> could you please show the complete output of dmeg? www.pastie.org
[6:36] <Ionic`> also, are you using a powered USB hub?
[6:36] <Ionic`> you will most likely need to
[6:36] <stiltzkin> yep, here's the relevant portion: http://pastebin.com/xVTAMyj1
[6:37] <stiltzkin> I'm not using one, I'm trying it without a hub first since I don't have one
[6:37] <Ionic`> hmm interesting
[6:37] <stiltzkin> that is the correct vendor ID and it shows up properly in lsusb like it should
[6:37] <GriffenJBS> JMichaelX: did you get your wifi loading?
[6:37] <GriffenJBS> I went AFK to put kids to bed
[6:38] <Ionic`> stiltzkin: what distro are you using?
[6:38] <Ionic`> raspbian?
[6:38] <stiltzkin> Googling around got me nothing as to what status -110 means - I was hoping to ascertain whether or not that was due to some mistake I made or the power problem
[6:38] <JMichaelX> GriffenJBS: not exactly. someone else tipped me off that the wifi adapter may not have been getting enough juice
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[6:39] <stiltzkin> Ionic`, yep, raspbian wheezy
[6:39] <Ionic`> stiltzkin: you should really try a supported, powered USB hub
[6:39] <JMichaelX> GriffenJBS: i then tried it with a somewhat questionable powered USB hub, and there was improvement, but yet the whole system would grind to a halt, when wicd would try to start
[6:40] <Ionic`> stiltzkin: I haven't tried using my stick without so... yeah
[6:40] <stiltzkin> Ionic`, I know, but this is an adventurous piece of hardware anyway, just wanted to poke around without one first, since it will add some significant bulk to my setup - and use another outlet
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[6:40] <JMichaelX> GriffenJBS: i am thinking that i may try to find a newer wifi dongle, possibly requiring less power...
[6:40] <Ionic`> stiltzkin: my carl7190 "works"
[6:41] <GriffenJBS> yeah, some draw a lot of power, I'm using a EW-7811Un, it reports needing 500mA, but works great on the pi limited to 140mA
[6:41] <stiltzkin> aren't there adapters that are known to not need the hub? I was reading about a few on the wiki
[6:41] <GriffenJBS> JMichaelX: do you have a powered hub you can power it through?
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[6:41] <JMichaelX> GriffenJBS: that is interesting. i suspect there are adapters that use considerably less
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[6:42] <Ionic`> wifi is quite power hungry, after all you're sending electro magnetic waves...
[6:42] <JMichaelX> GriffenJBS: i was using a powered hub, as i said, during this last round... but it is a very old one, which i found in a recycle bin at work
[6:42] <GriffenJBS> lol, well ... is it known to work, or is it flaky?
[6:42] <JMichaelX> [i find many things in that recycle bin]
[6:43] <JMichaelX> GriffenJBS: i'm not sure.
[6:43] <GriffenJBS> as do I
[6:43] <GriffenJBS> lots of good parts in the trash
[6:43] <stiltzkin> Looks like netgear doesn't specify the current draw for my dongle, just 5V
[6:43] <JMichaelX> i have found over a dozen laptops in the last year.... the latest a macbook pro, 2006 era
[6:43] <Ionic`> let's assume it's using at least 500mA
[6:44] <GriffenJBS> stiltzkin: they aren't required to, and if they stay near 500mA or less it's USB!! some even out of spec
[6:44] <Ionic`> sadly, but understandable
[6:44] <JMichaelX> GriffenJBS: i am wondering about one of these: http://www.amazon.com/ZyXEL-NWD2105-802-11n-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B0040NPGLG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343705436&sr=8-1&keywords=Zyxel+NWD2105
[6:44] <stiltzkin> and the Pi provides what, about 150mA or so?
[6:45] <GriffenJBS> JMichaelX: which continent?
[6:45] <stiltzkin> so this needs a really lean adapter to actually work without the hub
[6:45] <JMichaelX> GriffenJBS: north america
[6:45] <GriffenJBS> so free shipping to UK doesn't help you ;-)
[6:46] <Ionic`> stiltzkin: I wouldn't bet it can even do 500mA without the voltage dropping and rpi rebooting
[6:46] <GriffenJBS> this is what I have http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-EW-7811Un-Wireless-Adapter-Wizard/dp/B005CLMJLU
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[6:46] <Gabtendo> hey guys
[6:46] <Gabtendo> :O
[6:46] <stiltzkin> GriffenJBS, and that works on its own without a hub?
[6:46] <JMichaelX> GriffenJBS: no, but i am not looking at the UK version of amazon (i don't think)
[6:46] <Gabtendo> there's a raspberry pi board on the stack exchange network...
[6:46] <GriffenJBS> very tiny, rather cheap, known to work with the pi
[6:46] <Gabtendo> nice T^.^
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[6:47] <JMichaelX> GriffenJBS: i actually purchased one of those for someone else recently
[6:48] <Gabtendo> I spent a long time on my first stack exchange answer, but I don't think anybody will read it
[6:48] <Gabtendo> :<
[6:49] <JMichaelX> that amazon page is not loading for me. wonder if the amazon cloud is having issues one again
[6:50] <JMichaelX> GriffenJBS: ty for the info, i think i'll order one of those :-D
[6:50] <stiltzkin> I will as well if it's confirmed to work without a hub
[6:50] <stiltzkin> $9.99 is an awesome price
[6:51] <JMichaelX> yea, it is
[6:51] <stiltzkin> Was looking at the Netgear WNA1000M, looks like it uses the same chip (rtl8192cu) but costs more
[6:51] <JMichaelX> GriffenJBS: to these also work ootb?
[6:51] <JMichaelX> do*
[6:53] <Gabtendo> can I see the amazon link?
[6:53] <Gabtendo> I joined afterward
[6:53] <stiltzkin> http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-EW-7811Un-Wireless-Adapter-Wizard/dp/B005CLMJLU
[6:53] <Gabtendo> thanks
[6:54] <GriffenJBS> I had to monkey with the drivers in the debian image, maybe I knew what I was doing, maybe it worked ootb, but I put raspbian on and tried to set it up ... several command later I was trying to figure out what to do next and it was already working ...
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[6:55] <JMichaelX> good to hear
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[6:55] <stiltzkin> hey, that's fine, as long as it actually works and I don't have to monkey around with a hub
[6:57] <stiltzkin> Still wondering if I can get my existing card to work...it looked great until I got this odd error
[6:57] <stiltzkin> LED lights up and everything
[6:57] <JMichaelX> ordered :-D
[6:57] <GriffenJBS> odd error?
[6:58] <stiltzkin> yeah check my pastebin from a few minutes ago, I got a "firmware upload" error status -110
[6:58] <stiltzkin> it looks like the module gets loaded properly though
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[6:59] <GriffenJBS> JMichaelX: the sadest thing about that wifi; I realized a 150Mb wifi on a 100Mb ethernet AP is bottlenecked
[6:59] <GriffenJBS> need to replace my AP with Gb
[7:00] <stiltzkin> Asus RT-N16 my friend. Router is a beast
[7:00] <Dagger2> realistically probably not that badly though, if at all
[7:01] <Dagger2> the best throughput you can manage on 54 Mbit is ~27 Mbit, and I guess that scales about linearly to 150 Mbit too
[7:01] <GriffenJBS> I have gigabit switches, they don't make just an N AP do they?
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[7:01] <JMichaelX> GriffenJBS: i am still using .11 g here on everything
[7:01] <GriffenJBS> rather I know they do, just need to find the model
[7:02] <JMichaelX> there are plenty of N APs
[7:02] <GriffenJBS> JMichaelX: same here, this is my first N device
[7:03] <GriffenJBS> that Asus RT-N16 as cheap a $85 /w free S&H
[7:03] <stiltzkin> that's a bit less than I paid like a year ago...it's amazing with DD-WRT on it
[7:04] <stiltzkin> I use it for NAS as well - was playing videos straight from my hard drive to raspbmc the day I unboxed the Pi :)
[7:05] <JMichaelX> i think i have several machines using N-capable adapters... but i'm using an old linksys wrt54g router, with dd-wrt
[7:05] <stiltzkin> I want to get it untethered from my laptop though - my ethernet stretches nowhere near my TV, so I currently have to use my laptop as a bridge to get it a network connection :/
[7:05] <JMichaelX> i have a router here, gig ethernet, N wifi, but am not using it.... can't put dd-wrt on it :-(
[7:06] <stiltzkin> the Pi I mean
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[7:16] <stiltzkin> Hmmmm. On second thought, maybe it isn't loading the module correctly? This is from my syslog: http://pastebin.com/ajMAvriW
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[7:18] <stiltzkin> If udev doesn't know to look in /usr/local/lib/firmware, where would it normally look?
[7:20] <stiltzkin> Nevermind, according to /lib/udev/firmware.agent it's already looking there.
[7:21] <Ionic`> I'd put it into /usr/lib/firmware
[7:21] <stiltzkin> FIRMWARE_DIRS="/lib/firmware/$(uname -r) /lib/firmware /usr/local/lib/firmware /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware"
[7:21] <stiltzkin> it's definitely checking there already
[7:21] <stiltzkin> but I can try
[7:22] <Ionic`> and you're sure the file is not corruopt?
[7:22] <stiltzkin> pretty sure, grabbed it with wget from linuxwireless
[7:22] <Ionic`> a3952de199e445df647eb5cb4393d939fef007ad /usr/lib/firmware/carl9170-1.fw
[7:22] <Ionic`> make sure the shasum matches
[7:22] <stiltzkin> yep, match
[7:22] <Ionic`> hmm
[7:24] <stiltzkin> moved the file to the same directory as you, rebooting - just in case
[7:25] <Ionic`> stiltzkin: btw, error -110 is a timeout
[7:25] <Ionic`> thus the firmware is being downloaded but the device doesn't return with an OK in time
[7:26] <stiltzkin> ah alright, good to know! thanks
[7:27] <stiltzkin> cfg80211 attempts to run, and I can see it setting frequencies
[7:27] <Ionic`> oh
[7:28] <Ionic`> that means it works
[7:28] <Ionic`> try ip link set wlan0 up and iwlist scan
[7:28] <stiltzkin> well no, I still get usb 1-1.2:firmware not found. on the line before that
[7:28] <Ionic`> ah
[7:28] <Ionic`> hum, not found
[7:28] <stiltzkin> wlan0 never gets created
[7:28] <Ionic`> what's your kernel version?
[7:28] <stiltzkin> Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #168 PREEMPT Sat Jul 14 18:56:31 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[7:28] <Ionic`> should be 3.1.9
[7:28] <Ionic`> hmmm
[7:29] <Ionic`> 3.1.9 definitely uses the new firmware blob
[7:29] <stiltzkin> ip addr just shows lo,eth0
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[7:30] <Ionic`> weird
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[7:30] <Ionic`> but meh, sorry
[7:30] <Ionic`> I'm gonna hit the bed
[7:30] <stiltzkin> nah it's cool, I appreciate it actually
[7:30] <Ionic`> good night
[7:30] <stiltzkin> thanks dude
[7:31] <stiltzkin> later
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[7:55] <techman2> afternoon all
[7:55] <cmug> no, morning.
[7:56] <techman2> heh
[7:56] <techman2> anyone here noticed caps lock led not working on keyboards when connected directly to the pi?
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[7:57] <neofutur> eworks here
[7:57] <techman2> hrm
[7:57] <neofutur> could be related to Ac problems
[7:57] <techman2> doesn't seem to on any keyboards I have
[7:57] <neofutur> most keyboard problems seems to be related to low power available for usb keyboards
[7:58] <techman2> the caps lock functions correctly, just no led
[7:58] <techman2> num lock and scroll lock leds are fine
[7:59] <techman2> I am using an apple iphone charger for power
[7:59] <techman2> 5V/1A
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[8:00] <neofutur> it says 1A but does he really deliver 1A ?
[8:00] <neofutur> ( my RS charger gives 1200maH )
[8:00] <techman2> from what I have read the apple chargers are supposed to give solid power.
[8:01] <neofutur> I recommend this RS charger ;)
[8:01] <techman2> it just doesn't make sense as to why the other two leds would light ok if it was a power issue
[8:04] <techman2> it's not a big deal I guess, just curious as to what the cause could be
[8:04] <techman2> bbl
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[8:48] <booyaa> greets
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[8:53] <hetii> Hi :)
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[8:55] <yehnan> hi, what does AMA and ACM in /dev/ttyAMA0 and /dev/ttyACM0 mean?
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[9:00] <hetii> yehnan: its a virtual serial device. What exactly is registered on it you can check by dmesg log.
[9:01] <booyaa> yehnan: took a while to hunt this down... AMA is AMBA: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=8075&p=98113
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[9:05] <yehnan> thanks.
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[10:12] <fairuz> morning guys
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[10:17] <Skunk> ne1 using C# on their pi?
[10:18] <Skunk> i want to find the python equivelent to c#'s [DllImport("blah.dll")]
[10:18] <Skunk> i read stuff about ironpython
[10:19] <Skunk> but i think id rather just find a way to use c# lol
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[10:20] <ebswift> haven't tried c# but would be interested in performance of mono
[10:21] <Skunk> what is mono?
[10:21] * Skunk gets googling
[10:22] <ebswift> haven't looked at that project for a while, but from what i understand it is very mature
[10:22] <ebswift> and c# performance results have been very favourable compared to java, so it will be interesting...
[10:23] <ebswift> python is pretty popular too, but i haven't gone there
[10:24] <ebswift> there's an IDE you can google too for c# called monodevelop - a spinoff from sharpdevelop
[10:24] <ebswift> pi might struggle with that though
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[10:28] <mirf> anyone tried interfacing rpi gpio pins to 8-bit chip?
[10:29] * gordonDrogon waves 'morning
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> mirf, what sort of 8-bit chip?
[10:29] <reider59> hi gordon
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[10:30] <gordonDrogon> mirf, the main issue is that it's not possible to easilly set all 8 bits in one cycle, so if it was a chip with 8 data bits, and e.g. a strobe/latch 9th pin then it's fine - e.g. LCD displays work great that way.
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> right. serial library actually documented now for wiringPi ... :)
[10:33] <mirf> gordonDrogon: its' an old speech chip, has a strobe and 8 pins for the addressing
[10:33] <reider59> I managed to change the character sample in the Arduino library to make it work on my LCD Shield. Looks very effective with the smiley face and the little stick man waving his arms up and down. I must look at the other characters in there too
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> mirf, sure - that'll be fine.
[10:34] <mirf> I've never tried anythign like this so it's a bit new to me but fro what I can tell I need to have voltage to the strobe pin and then send combinations of ons or offs tot he other 8 pins
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[10:34] <mirf> (pls excuse my typing)
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> You'l typically setup the 8-data bits first, then toggle the strobe pin.
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[10:34] <gordonDrogon> lather, rinse, repeat...
[10:34] <mirf> gordonDrogon: that makes sense
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> so you need 9 bits of GPIO - which is not an issue on the Pi.
[10:35] <neofutur> anyone have tried to get this directfb thing in his own distro ( not using the full rootfs from http://directfb.org/kleistpark/nightlies-rpi/ )
[10:35] <mirf> excellent :D
[10:35] <neofutur> ?
[10:35] <mirf> thanks gordonDrogon you've confirmed what I was thinking
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> mirf, I wonder if that's worthy of an addition into wiringPi - not sure how many chips work like that though - the LCDs need a strobe and a 'command' pin.
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> mirf, have a look at the LCD code in wiringPi if you want some hints in C though.
[10:36] <booyaa> i've only done some basic mono testing it worked fine on archlinux
[10:37] <booyaa> i'd recommend archlinuix unless raspbian's package have been up to date
[10:41] <mirf> well there are two modes this chip works in I think, 1) waits for addresses and acts on them instantly and 2) buffers the address then 'does' it only when requested
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[10:44] <gordonDrogon> mirf, what's the chip?
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> mirf, is it one of the old 64 alaphone chips, or something a bit more modern?
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> Hm. seems it's allophone... I remember using one on the old BBC Micro :)
[10:47] <mirf> :) yes gordonDrogon its' SP0256-AL2
[10:48] <mirf> I pulled it from a CPC464 peripheral
[10:49] <mirf> (the cpc doens't work anymore but that is another project)
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[10:50] <gordonDrogon> mirf, neat. ok, you need mode 1 by the looks of it, and may need a couple more GPIO pins to read the ready status.
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> mirf, downside is that it's a 5v chip, so while the outputs will be OK, the input pins will need a pair of resistors to reduce the voltage to 3.3v.
[10:52] <mirf> ah right
[10:52] <mirf> this is because rpi inputs are not 5v tolerant?
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> mirf, should be achievable though and the data sheet has circuit diagrams, etc.
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> mirf, yes - send 5V in and it'll fry the SoC )-:
[10:53] <mirf> yeah I was reading through it this morning - seems I've managed to understand more than I thought, how refreshing
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> actually the circuit diagram in the data sheet (from wikipedia) demos it standalone with 9 buttons...
[10:54] <mirf> hmm
[10:54] <gordonDrogon> so you need 8 outptus for the data, one output for the strobe and one input which will tell you when the chip has stopped speaking.
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[10:55] <mirf> gordonDrogon: I was reading this one http://www.futurebots.com/spo256.pdf
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> http://spatula-city.org/~im14u2c/chips/SP0256B_Datasheet.pdf
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> the one you have has all the allophones in it - you'll need that :)
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[10:56] <mirf> I have the SPO256A in particular, wonder what the difference is
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Instrument_SP0256
[10:56] <mirf> cool
[10:57] <mirf> I found someone who'd published a list of addresses mapped to the allophone names, which will be useful
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[10:58] <gordonDrogon> http://www.parallax.com/Portals/0/Downloads/docs/cols/nv/vol1/col/nv40.pdf <-- Good article
[10:59] <mirf> I could do with reading up about 8 bit addressing in general (so I understand the hex codes)
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[11:00] <gordonDrogon> mirf, can you visualise the old 100's 10's and units?
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> for hex and binary it's just the same - binay is in units (1's), then 2's, 4's, 8's, 16's, etc.
[11:00] <mirf> I read that pdf already :) figured I can substitute the pi for the basic stamp chip
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> and hex is units, 16's 256's, etc.
[11:01] <mirf> hmm
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> mirf, yes - the exception is the input pin - you'll need 2 resostors to act as a voltage dropper to convert 5v into 3.3v.
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> it's easy to think of binary and hex in terms of 4 binary digits at a time.
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> so an 8-bit port is 2 x 4 bits.
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> and 4 bits in binary can count from 0 to 15 - and that's the range of a hexadecimal digit.
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> it's not too hard once you get your head round it. :)
[11:03] <mirf> I vaguely get it
[11:04] <mirf> biab
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> so the number 12 in decimal ... that's the 'number' C in hexadecimal (a,b,c,d,e,f -> 10,11,12,13,14,15) or 1100 in binary. (one 8 plus one 4)
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[11:09] <gordonDrogon> the last page of that allophone manual you entioned - e.g. the entry for WW is 2E - that's 2 times 16 plus E (14) = 46.
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> in binary it's straightforward 0010 1110
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> however, program in C and it knows hex and binary anyway, so sometimes you don't need to think ;-)
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[11:20] <Slippern> its take forever to install raspbmc
[11:21] <sam> anyone knows what's the amount of source code available for the stuff in /opt/vc/lib? zero?
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[11:24] <Jck_true> Slippern: RC4 should be out in days :)
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[11:31] <Slippern> nice :)
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[11:44] <mirf> gordonDrogon: thanks for your help I will keep you posted with any progress I make
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[12:09] <reider59> woo hoo, LCD smartie is now working with the Arduino and LCD Shield. The provided sample program needed one line changing and that was the difference between 2 lines of scrolling numbers and the correct LCD Smartie text screen. where you type in a message for both lines of a 16 x 2 in a text file then save it. as soon as you save it the display on the LCD changes to the contents of the text file.
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[12:09] <reider59> the other LCD Smartie stuff should work too. LCDProc will be next methinks
[12:11] <booyaa> :)
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[12:12] <booyaa> heh i've decided to bring my led segment display in the hackspace. we're going to find out why it wants power and gnd the wrong way around
[12:12] <reider59> lcd.print(rxbyte); had to be changed to lcd.write(rxbyte); and that is all that stopped it working properly.
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[12:15] <gordonDrogon> mirf, sounds like an exciting project - my weakness would be in translating text to the allophones required - but I think there's a lot more been done on that now than there was 25 years ago on the BBC micro!
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, is the driver in Python?
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, I seem to recall that one version of the Python gpio libary had inverted the outputs..
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> I'm uploading a video to the tube about the Gertboard :)
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[12:17] <gordonDrogon> might go & make a coffee & toast while it's uploading - it's being a bit slow today. (but it is 44MB)
[12:18] <mirf> gordonDrogon: yeah I'm looking forward to seeing what words I can mangle out of it
[12:19] <mirf> probably a wealth of information relating to allophone concatanation out there (and probably some libs I can use too)
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[12:23] <Lostsouls> Good day good sir's. Anyone else having issues with mpd playback on the pi ? ( analoge out )
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[12:27] <cave> hi
[12:27] <TheBrayn> Lostsouls: which issues do you have?
[12:30] <Lostsouls> MPD on Raspbian seems to stuutter. When i start a song from webcient or pc client ( Ario ) the sound stutters and is distroted. Cpu spikes to 100% usage.
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> http://youtu.be/S9AXSHDMsUo :)
[12:31] <Lostsouls> I used the test adio file from the distor but it's also distroted.
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo. big box fromn skpang :)
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[12:36] <cave> had same problem with distorted sound with MPD on some openWRT Routers. http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Tuning <-- there is the problem solved
[12:38] <Lostsouls> sweet, lemme take a look
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[12:40] <cave> look at the sample rate and alsa things
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[12:41] <cave> http://firmit.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/mpd-fix-sudden-high-cpu-usage/
[12:43] <cave> is there a good solution for encoding video Files to MPEG4/h.264 (R_Pi licensed codec) on a workstation, I thought on avidemux, openshot, vlc, ffmpeg. are there other possibilitys
[12:44] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: using my arduino at the mo, i've been procrasinating with making the circuit protection breakout board for my pi
[12:45] <reider59> I made the breakout board but skipped the circuit protection
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[12:48] <reider59> Just wired in a green LED and resistor + a Pot and extra connector for pin 3 to the Pot itself. Thinking of adding an on/off switch and resistor too.
[12:53] <reider59> Found an article on contrast/brightness adjustment of the LCD via the Arduino PWM pins instead of a Pot. http://andybrown.me.uk/wk/2010/11/28/lcd-backlight-and-contrast-manager/
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[13:05] <trijntje> Hi all, I just got an email that my RPi is on it's way (wheee!), and now I'm wondering what I should look for in a SD. Should I aim for maximum read write speed?
[13:05] <reider59> one that works ;-)
[13:06] <trijntje> or would it be better to just put the bootloader on a crappy sd, and put the OS on an external disk connected to the Rpi, since usb 2.0 should be faster than an SD card
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[13:09] <snuffeluffegus> howdy
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[13:12] <reider59> Originally the class 10 SD Cards were problematic. But that picture has changed somewhat now. You just need to look and see what's marked as working on the list then decide which would be most beneficial to you. The extra space on the external drive etc or the SD Card being better quality. Some of the folk have tested speeds but it's a case of waiting until they are in here.
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[13:14] <reider59> <<< eating curried noodles mmmm
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[13:20] <trijntje> reider59: i've seen the list, but is it possible to get the exact ID of the card without plugging it into a pc?
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[13:21] <reider59> doubt it
[13:21] <trijntje> lol, thats what I was afraid of :P
[13:23] <reider59> Think mine are only class 4 but Raspbian is that fast it hardly makes any real difference to me.
[13:23] <reider59> one was 16Gb and a fiver, deals abound at times
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[13:31] <DexterLB> I want to install this driver: http://aron.ws/projects/lirc_rpi/
[13:31] <DexterLB> I need both the patched kernel _and_ the patched lirc, right?
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[13:33] <trijntje> reider59: ok, thanks. I guess I'll just try to finde a reasonably cheap one, and hope it works :P
[13:35] <reider59> I use a Kingston 8GB SDHC and a buzby 16GB, they were both cheap. Got an HP 2GB that works but not too keen on HP for SD. Just look at the list and see if you can find any of them.
[13:35] <lempiainen> Do I remember totally wrong or is there a ARM/GPU memory split
[13:35] <lempiainen> damn it
[13:35] <lempiainen> with less than 32MB to gpu
[13:36] <lupinedk> yup
[13:36] <lupinedk> rpi-update 240
[13:36] <reider59> The kingston was a tenner for the 8 gig and a 4 gig but the 4 was faulty (broken plastic). The Buzby was an offer at the time for a fiver
[13:36] <arfonzo> Yes, it's shared on the RPi.
[13:36] <reider59> cheaper offers are about
[13:37] <lempiainen> lupinedk: thanks
[13:37] <lupinedk> np
[13:42] <chithead> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
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[13:44] <mebus> Is there an easy way of upgrade from regular debian to raspbian without having to reinstall everything?
[13:45] <mebus> I mean like an upgrade or something without reflashing?
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[13:45] <reider59> No not really, but it takes only a few minutes to install anyway and the speed increase is worth the effort
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[13:48] <Slippern> anyone installed spotyxbmc2 on raspbmc?
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[14:00] <bytesoup> Hi All
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[14:01] <bytesoup> I just received my RPi yesterday. All looks good, I ordered a blank SD card but noticed it did seem to have a file system on there already, did anyone else see this?
[14:02] <TheBrayn> I guess the cards are preformated with fat
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[14:03] <M3nti0n> whohoo, i just got my raspi delivered: http://imgur.com/3kh0P,xTJCS,ckSZm :)
[14:03] <bytesoup> TheBrayn: I just noticed directories when i plugged the card into my laptop, I copied the downloaded image on to it anyway using DD
[14:04] <bytesoup> M3nti0n: :) what display will you use?
[14:04] <M3nti0n> bytesoup, my 42" hd tv :)
[14:04] * booyaa is using 80x24
[14:04] <TheBrayn> does the rpi support 19200*1200?
[14:04] <bytesoup> M3nti0n: I tried it with my TV, too :) but im going to have to content with the family for useage
[14:04] <M3nti0n> TheBrayn, yes :)
[14:04] <TheBrayn> good
[14:05] <M3nti0n> bytesoup, i'll set it up as XBMC mediacenter, so i can control my movies with my phone
[14:05] <bytesoup> I have a 1600x1050 Dell monitor with DVI and VGA input, does anyone recommend a converter I could use / buy?
[14:05] <M3nti0n> and insteed of using a 450watt power supply.... you quess it will be even cheaper when i use my raspi for that :p
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[14:06] <bytesoup> what will you use for the media storage M3nti0n? usb connected HDD?
[14:06] <M3nti0n> bytesoup, yes, usb harddrive
[14:06] <M3nti0n> and LAN!
[14:07] <M3nti0n> bytesoup, http://www.hdtvsupply.com/dvitohdco10h.html
[14:07] <M3nti0n> this will work maybe ? ;)
[14:07] <Tobias|> bytesoup: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/hdmi-f-to-dvi-24-5-m-adapter-8308?item=30
[14:07] <`z> M3nti0n, bytesoup, i'm currently streaming everything from my NAS
[14:07] <`z> :D
[14:08] <M3nti0n> `z, im planning to get a NAS asap, but theyr quiet expansive in the netherlands :p
[14:08] <M3nti0n> so i still need to get my hands on a cheap one ;)
[14:08] <M3nti0n> its just harsh to get a cheap raspi, and still need an expansive nas to store movies on :p
[14:08] <bytesoup> http://xbmc.org/about/ << looks useful
[14:08] <lupinedk> get a N40L
[14:09] <`z> M3nti0n, i just grabbed a cheap one
[14:09] <`z> ZyXEL NSA221
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[14:09] <`z> transfer speeds are slightly slow though
[14:09] <M3nti0n> `z, where did you get it ? ;)
[14:09] <`z> M3nti0n, shop
[14:09] <`z> in my country
[14:09] <Tobias|> bytesoup: As far as I know, HDMI is pretty much DVI + more (the video signal is the same). Hence why adapters between the two should only be a couple of dollars :P
[14:09] <M3nti0n> ah ok
[14:09] <bytesoup> Tobias|: thanks!
[14:10] <M3nti0n> its just ?119 in the netherlands `z
[14:10] <M3nti0n> does it work well ?
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[14:14] <nid0> there're a lot of nas options at that kind of price range, obv lower price is generally going to be slower throughput + less features though
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[14:15] <adammw111> Hi, does anyone know if fpc (I think it's the free pascal compiler) is available for Raspbian?
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[14:27] <leighbb> adammw111: google for freepascal vfp
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[14:28] <leighbb> I'm not sure they have it working yet
[14:30] <TheBrayn> who still uses pascal?
[14:30] <`z> M3nti0n, hmm
[14:30] <`z> well... quite well
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[14:31] <`z> upload speeds via low signal strength wifi gets up to 1.5MB/s
[14:31] <M3nti0n> then i think i need to spend my money on that then :)
[14:31] <M3nti0n> fast enough
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[14:31] <adammw111> I know that I've tried both apt-get install fpc and lazarus - both produce 404 errors on the repositories, so I guess nobody can get it to compile without patches.
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[14:32] <M3nti0n> i'll just connect it on a cable :p
[14:32] <adammw111> I must admit that I do not know anything about pascal nor particularly care about it, but for some reason the software I'm using uses pascal to auto-generate code in other languages.
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[14:36] <chithead> if you want a particular package on raspbian, post here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=12261
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[14:53] <Tu13es> bah
[14:54] <Tu13es> element14 was showing in stock yesterday, so i ordered, and my confirmation says in stock, now my order says backordered :(
[14:54] <Tobias|> :[
[14:55] <gregj> just saw a guy in raspberryPI tshirt here in belfast
[14:55] <gregj> :-)
[14:55] <mirf> :D wooop
[14:55] <mirf> I want one
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[14:55] <mirf> I'll have to make one
[14:57] <gregj> his one said element14 on it, so I'm guessing they make them
[14:57] <ReggieUK> Has anyone messed aroud with a 4.3" composite screen for the pi?
[14:57] <trijntje> is ssh enabled by default on the raspberry pi? I dont have a proper video cable and want to use it as a headless server, so it would be nice if I dont have to buy a cable to use it once to enable ssh
[14:57] <ReggieUK> or any composite screen that has a lower than standard resolution?
[14:58] <reider59> I think it was the free one that some RPi buyers got. I forgot to order mine when I had the offer
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[14:59] <reider59> pic here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6534
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[15:13] <BusError> anyone tried PAL composite output ?
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[15:13] * Hodapp hasn't, having only TVs that accept NTSC.
[15:13] <Holden> BusError, yes
[15:14] <Hodapp> wonder what's easier... (1) modifying the SPI driver in the kernel to give me accurate control over a latch line or (2) having the RPi just talk to a microcontroller to handle the precise timing
[15:14] <Hodapp> both options suck in their own way
[15:15] <Hodapp> but it could be fun to poke around in kernel space...
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[15:19] <bytesoup> trijntje: I had to enable ssh server as part of the initial setup on mine on first start, I think you'll need to do the same
[15:19] <bytesoup> I havent tried ssh connection into the Rpi yet
[15:21] <trijntje> bytesoup: hmm, too bad. Is there a way to cheat by messing around in the image, or would that be complicated?
[15:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> pal comp[osite works fine
[15:22] <bytesoup> trijntje: I think once you copied over the image via dd, you could plug the SD card into a laptop and see if you can find the /etc/ssh/sshd.conf file i have a feeling you would be able to do it that way
[15:22] <bytesoup> can you mount the card into another machine it should open up with a file browser normally
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[15:23] <trijntje> bytesoup: cool, thats sounds like it's worth a shot. Thanks!
[15:23] <Hodapp> indeed it will. This is one reason I rather like systems that run from removable storage...
[15:23] <bytesoup> trijntje: /etc/ssh/sshd_config on my Ubuntu machine
[15:24] <Hodapp> I don't know that sshd_config is what you need to modify. If sshd is never started, that configuration file will never be read.
[15:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> ls -l /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[15:24] <Hodapp> To start sshd at startup you'll need to dig around elsewhere.
[15:25] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah /etc/init.d/ssh is the script that the rc?.d files should use
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[15:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> thpugh running raspi-config whould work [if you could get to it]
[15:27] <trijntje> RaTTuS|BIG: I'm guessing I should modify the # Default-Start: part of the INIT INFO?
[15:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> if you wanted to start it it may be worth in /etc/rc.local putting /etc/init.d/ssh start
[15:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> in it ...
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[15:29] <DexterLB> is there any chance that I could find a decent 8g sdhc under $10? :D
[15:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> I think on raspbian it is enabled by default
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[15:30] <MoleMan_> RaTTuS|BIG: yeah, SSHD is enabled by defaul...
[15:30] <trijntje> cool, thats even easier :D
[15:30] <trijntje> thanks RaTTuS|BIG, learnt some stuff about whats going on in /etc ;)
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[15:31] <MoleMan_> DexterLB: Can I one up that for under $11? http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Class-Flash-Memory-TS16GSDHC10E/dp/B003VNKNEQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1343741319&sr=8-2&keywords=16GB+SDHC
[15:31] <M3nti0n> anyone knows whats the best xbmc image for the raspi ?
[15:33] <DexterLB> M3nti0n: tried openelec - it sucks (because of squashfs)
[15:33] <DexterLB> raspbmc is better
[15:33] <DexterLB> (imo)
[15:33] <M3nti0n> ok then i'll use raspbmc :)
[15:33] <M3nti0n> Thanks DexterLB :)
[15:36] <DexterLB> I found out that raspbmc sucks too, and I'm now running a custom xbmc on arch :D
[15:36] <mirf> what about raspbian?
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[15:36] * mirf throws a spanner in the workds
[15:36] <M3nti0n> DexterLB, are you able to make a dd image of that ? <:o)
[15:36] <urs> Still compiling xbmc on my raspberry... (started about 14h ago)...
[15:37] <mirf> owch
[15:37] <DexterLB> M3nti0n: well it's a bit hacky, but if you really want it :)
[15:37] <DexterLB> urs: compiling in a chroot from qemu ftw
[15:37] <M3nti0n> DexterLB, as long as it works...
[15:37] <mirf> you could have set up cross compile in less than a quarter of that time
[15:38] <urs> DexterLB: yeah, I thought about that. But then I kinda like to have it compiled on the system itself.
[15:38] <M3nti0n> urs, how are you compiling it, are you compiling it on your raspi maybe ? ;)
[15:38] <DexterLB> thyat's what HE said :P
[15:38] <urs> Started the compile, went to sleep, woke up, went to work... now it's hopefully done when I'm home. :)
[15:38] <urs> M3nti0n: yep
[15:38] <mirf> cool
[15:38] <mirf> fine if you're happy to do it :)
[15:38] <M3nti0n> damn that will take hours indeed...
[15:38] <urs> Although ffmpeg/h264.c wouldn't compile on the device itself. Out of memory.
[15:39] <M3nti0n> as long as its not blowing up i ber you're fine with it ;)
[15:39] <urs> But that's the only problem I had
[15:39] <tcial> Trying to think of what to do on my Rpi xD
[15:39] <tcial> Need a use
[15:39] * RaTTuS|BIG goes to poke my setup .... let see if I can de-clutter a bit
[15:39] <tcial> Yay, PiBot is back!
[15:39] <M3nti0n> tcial, if you got an android phone or iphone, you could use it as mediacenter.
[15:39] <tcial> M3nti0n: How?
[15:39] <M3nti0n> with xbmc, and use your phone as remote.
[15:39] <DexterLB> M3nti0n: get an official arch install, and get this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14515180/xbmc-rbp-git-20120709-1-arm.pkg.tar.xz
[15:39] <urs> M3nti0n: probably still cheaper electricty-wise than compiling in 10 minutes on my "large" machine.
[15:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[15:40] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton. Temp 15??C. Condition: Mostly Cloudy, Humidity: 88%, Later 18??C - 16??C. Condition: Rain.
[15:40] <M3nti0n> urs, electronic wise, yes that for sure :)
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[15:40] <DexterLB> M3nti0n: install it with pacman -U, then if you have any questions, I'll help you out
[15:40] <M3nti0n> thanks DexterLB :)
[15:40] <DexterLB> M3nti0n: that'll be faster than me dd'ing my install and uploading it on my 64kbps conection
[15:41] <M3nti0n> ok :)
[15:41] <DexterLB> (got from this thread http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=3004&start=70)
[15:41] <DexterLB> I tried it, it works, then I compiled my own
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[15:41] <yehnan> hi, after "sudo shutdown", screen shows "Press enter for maintenance(or type Control-D to continue):". I don't understand. I wanna shutdown raspberry pi, what should I do? Just unplug power-plug?
[15:42] <M3nti0n> DexterLB, thanks mate, this will most likely get me more into it ;)
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[15:42] <booyaa> isn't it sudo shutdown -h now
[15:42] <satellit> root terminal "shutdown -h now"
[15:42] <M3nti0n> i'll just try until i die, or until it works ;)
[15:42] <booyaa> or sudo halt
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[15:42] <bytesoup> yehnan: you need to use "sudo shutdown -h now"
[15:42] <DexterLB> lol
[15:42] <xunie-laptop> Shouldn't this be ##raspberrypi in compliance with Freenode's channel naming scheme?
[15:43] <buZz> only if the opers find out
[15:43] <sam> shhh
[15:43] <M3nti0n> xunie-laptop, no, only if raspberry pi foundation wants the channel.
[15:43] <bytesoup> yehnan: you could also try sudo poweroff
[15:43] <yehnan> bytesoup: oh man, I forgot it. Which means the way I shutdown rpi is wrong...:(
[15:43] <M3nti0n> then we need to replace the channel i bet :p
[15:44] <bytesoup> yehnan: i just tried "sudo poweroff" worked for me
[15:44] <yehnan> bootc: bytesoup thanks.
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[15:44] <M3nti0n> but, since the Raspberry Foundation wants to have a community base, they would mostlikely just join in here and be silenced about it :p
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[15:46] <yehnan> Well, linux is not my day-to-day working machine. I forgot "-h" to shutdown. (By the way, doesn't shutdown mean shutdown?) Thanks all.
[15:47] <urs> historically (on large unix mainframes), shutdown meant "We're going to service the machine now, hmkay?"
[15:47] <urs> those machines were typically never switched off.
[15:48] <DexterLB> yehnan: I find it more comfortable to operate with runlevels. e.g. "telinit 0" = shutdown, "telinit 6" = reboot etc
[15:48] <yehnan> urs: great. Love to hear some history.
[15:49] <DexterLB> runlevel 0 is real shutdown, with halt and all
[15:49] <bytesoup> yehnan: the shutdown command does not always mean shutdown, "man shutdown" will give you some info in the terminal
[15:50] <DexterLB> hmm I've been compiling the arm cross-compiler on a 2ghz pentium for the last 4 hours, and it's still not done :(
[15:50] <yehnan> bytesoup: I see. thanks. Need to shutdown the machine I'm using now. See you.
[15:50] <DexterLB> too bad I don't have a more powerful machine atm
[15:50] <bytesoup> yehnan: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?shutdown+8
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[15:51] <mikma> oh man, my obd2 bluetooth device arrived. works like charm :D http://dx.com/p/super-mini-elm327-bluetooth-odb2-v1-5-car-diagnostic-interface-tool-blue-142679?item=6
[15:51] <yehnan> DexterLB: Well, it's more comfortable to you...nerdy geek :).
[15:51] <sam> grrr, each and every call to a GL ES function issues at least one pthread TLS query and two RPC writes with memcpy
[15:51] <mikma> so apparently it wasn't 20 euros wasted
[15:51] <sam> I wonder whether the GL driver could have been any less efficient
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[15:52] <DexterLB> does "nerdy geek" even collocate? :P
[15:53] <DexterLB> btw, has anyone got fbterm to work on the rpi?
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[15:54] <tcial> M3nti0n: XBMC is quite laggy on it :(
[15:54] <tcial> And any HD films I have don't play
[15:54] <DexterLB> tcial: bl :P
[15:54] <DexterLB> tcial: do you stream over network?
[15:54] <tcial> Yeah
[15:55] <tcial> :P
[15:55] <DexterLB> nfs?
[15:55] <tcial> yup
[15:55] <DexterLB> how much speed do you get over nfs? the most I could squeeze out of the rpi was 7.4MB/s
[15:55] <booyaa> isn't that just opening a file over network vs vlc streaming?
[15:55] <tcial> DexterLB: I haven't checked to be honest :S
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[15:56] <DexterLB> (dd if=/some/nfs/share/some/fairly/large/file of=/dev/null)
[15:56] <DexterLB> getting nfs up to speed to reduce xbmc laggines was a pain in the arse
[15:57] <buZz> wget -O/dev/null http://bla/1000mb.bin <- over ethernet this gets 10.6MB/sec
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[15:59] <Hodapp> VLC for some reason always streamed like crap for me over NFS. On hour-long movies that I could copy in full in a minute or two, it would somehow manage to be unable to play them from the same drive directly.
[16:00] <DexterLB> Hodapp: ditto
[16:00] <DexterLB> Hodapp: same goes for mplayer
[16:01] <[SLB]> i did the first boot and finished with raspi-conf, followed by reboot, and it's been few mins it just shows the rgb gamut, is it frozen or just have to wait for the partition to resize?
[16:01] <Hodapp> mplayer did much better for me for whatever reason
[16:01] <DexterLB> [SLB]: frozen
[16:01] <[SLB]> oh
[16:02] <DexterLB> [SLB]: have you set any overclocking options?
[16:02] <[SLB]> no
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[16:02] <DexterLB> or anything with a heavy load on the USB's?
[16:02] <[SLB]> just ssh and resize partition
[16:02] <DexterLB> or a week PSU?
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[16:02] <DexterLB> weak*
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[16:02] <[SLB]> it booted fine and finished the first raspi-conf and rebooted
[16:03] <[SLB]> the sd is 8gb
[16:03] <[SLB]> does it take long to resize the partition?
[16:03] <DexterLB> instantly I guess
[16:03] <Hodapp> wonder if raspbmc will work okay for me though with standard-def videos
[16:03] <[SLB]> ok i powercycle it then, moment
[16:03] <Hodapp> I do have that spare RPi I'm not using...
[16:03] <DexterLB> works for me fine for hd video
[16:04] <DexterLB> over nfs
[16:04] <Hodapp> but I also hardly ever watch much >_>
[16:04] <DexterLB> but it's a bit picky
[16:04] <DexterLB> on some videos it decides it wants to use the cpu to transcode, and it gets epicly choppy
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[16:04] <DexterLB> probably unsupported formats
[16:04] <DexterLB> (flicenses)
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[16:05] <DexterLB> how long does compiling the kernel usually take?
[16:06] <DexterLB> I've spent half my day compiling the toolchain, hope the actual kernel compiling won't take so much :D
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[16:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> DexterLB - onthe RPi ? about 6hrs , 3.5 hours if you have 3 and use distcc , about 10 mins if you crossconfile on some linux box
[16:10] <Hodapp> ahhh, this gives flashbacks to my Pentium days
[16:11] <[SLB]> okay it was the wrong start.elf
[16:11] <stain> I remember waiting a weekend for QT to compile
[16:11] <[SLB]> resizing partition in like 30 seconds, booted now
[16:11] <stain> just to realize I had one of the configure flags wrong
[16:12] <TheBrayn> :D
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[16:16] <DexterLB> RaTTuS|BIG: crosscompiling on a 2ghz pentium
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[16:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> DexterLB - I'm just doing a test myself - will let you know how long it takes
[16:21] <DexterLB> :)
[16:22] <DexterLB> w00t - finished compiling the toolchain, time to compile the kernel
[16:22] <dirty_d> my i7 takes about 3 or 4 minutes to compile the kernel for rpi
[16:22] <dirty_d> <3
[16:22] <buZz> dirty_d: make -j8 ?
[16:22] <dirty_d> -j9
[16:22] <dirty_d> probably no difference though
[16:22] <buZz> i think 4 minutes is pretty long for a quadcore
[16:23] <buZz> although i only used xeon quads
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[16:23] <dirty_d> xeon is exactly the same as i7 except for EEC memory cabable i believe
[16:23] <dirty_d> ECC
[16:25] <buZz> xeon is always the same as consumer processors
[16:25] <buZz> just with moar cache etc
[16:26] <dirty_d> hte new server at work as four 6-core xeons
[16:27] <dirty_d> i compiled python in something like 15 - 20 seconds
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[16:27] <parabyte> ordering my first pi next week
[16:27] <dirty_d> its absolute overkill for its job
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[16:27] <parabyte> whats the state of affairs with X and gl
[16:28] <sam> last I head X worked fine and so did GL
[16:28] <dirty_d> its replacing a server with 8GB ram and a 1.2GH sparc cpu
[16:28] <sam> just not together
[16:29] <DexterLB> dirty_d: ouch
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[16:29] <dirty_d> yup, and its still doing the same job, lol
[16:30] <dirty_d> and we bought TWO of them
[16:30] <dirty_d> that old server was $48,000
[16:30] <dirty_d> 8GB ram 1.2GHZ
[16:30] <dirty_d> new ones are $10,000
[16:30] <dirty_d> my $650 home PC could easily do its job
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[16:31] <M3nti0n> DexterLB, i got my Rpi booting up for the first time ;)
[16:31] <DexterLB> M3nti0n: :]
[16:31] <buZz> dirty_d: ooooo sparc
[16:31] <DexterLB> M3nti0n: have you used arch before?
[16:32] <M3nti0n> no, only debian, redhat, ubuntu, fedora and freebsd.
[16:32] <M3nti0n> is it much different then those ? :p
[16:32] <DexterLB> yes
[16:32] <M3nti0n> then i bet i need to learn some bit
[16:33] <DexterLB> ubuntu--debian-------fedora----------redhat----------------------freebsd---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------arch---------------gentoo
[16:33] <sam> I don't think arch differs too much from freebsd
[16:33] <M3nti0n> ahh oh yah i'd use gentoo also ;)
[16:34] <sam> good, because Arch is the new Gentoo
[16:34] <DexterLB> :)
[16:34] <M3nti0n> ahh ok
[16:34] <DexterLB> I'm going out now, will be back later, ping my nick if anything, I'll read the backlog
[16:34] <M3nti0n> ok :)
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> ..
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> real 25m3.605s
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> user 45m20.370s
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> sys 2m55.351s
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> dave@RunProxy-NeverDead:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> processor : 0
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> vendor_id : GenuineIntel
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> cpu family : 6
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> model : 15
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> stepping : 6
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> microcode : 0xc6
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> cpu MHz : 2393.820
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> cache size : 4096 KB
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[16:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> sort of thing
[16:37] <TheBrayn> you should use a paste service
[16:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah
[16:37] <TheBrayn> "I'm really interested in your /proc/cpuinfo" - Nobody ever
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[16:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> DexterLB http://paste.ubuntu.com/1121533/
[16:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> x complie of kernel
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[16:42] <parabyte> i heard that is no gl under X from google
[16:43] <buZz> google has X?
[16:43] <buZz> parabyte: i think there is just OpenGLES on raspi
[16:43] <buZz> no OpenGL
[16:43] <sam> you are correect.
[16:43] <buZz> also someone patented making a transparant layer to do OpenGL on OpenGLES
[16:44] <parabyte> so i have to run my apps from Framebuffer
[16:44] <buZz> so you cannot implement it without lawsuits
[16:44] <parabyte> thats stupid
[16:44] <buZz> parabyte: there are things between OpenGL and framebuffer
[16:44] <parabyte> buZz, I think there is a lawsuit if you copied it exactly
[16:45] <parabyte> buZz, what would i need to google for exactly?
[16:45] <buZz> well yeah, but i think the patent doesnt specify how he did it, if at all
[16:45] <parabyte> bah then the patent not that good
[16:45] <buZz> maybe its just a stuffer patent, like 'omg this is a good idea!' and then never make it
[16:45] <buZz> like nearly all the patents
[16:46] <parabyte> my main pc hard disk went today
[16:46] <parabyte> :(
[16:46] <buZz> grab a new one :)
[16:46] <parabyte> 80gb sata drive from 2006
[16:46] <parabyte> did well
[16:46] <buZz> you only run FOSS ofcourse, so all the software is just downloadable
[16:46] <sam> honestly if you have GL ES there's not really any reason for wanting GL
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[16:46] <buZz> and of course you have proper backups for your data :)
[16:46] <parabyte> lol of course i did
[16:47] <parabyte> sam, i found a port of warzone2100 to opengl es 2
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[16:47] <parabyte> for a pandora board?
[16:47] <parabyte> that a opengl game
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[16:48] <parabyte> just want qt acceleration to work properly especially with gl
[16:48] <parabyte> and stuff like that really
[16:48] <buZz> there is some accelerated QT stuff i think
[16:48] <buZz> there is a QT minded distro on raspberrypi.org
[16:49] <sam> parabyte: if the GL feature exists in GL ES, you don't need GL; if it doesn't exist, it's probably because the hardware doesn't support it, so it's pointless to try to emulate it
[16:50] <parabyte> good point especially with weak arm cpu's
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[16:52] <[SLB]> what vnc server do you find suitable for the rasp? someone adviced tightvnc
[16:53] <mirf> tight is pretty small and optimised
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[16:53] <[SLB]> nice thanks :)
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[17:01] <parabyte> so these pi's same performance as a p2
[17:01] <parabyte> what abouts its Gpu
[17:02] <SpeedEvil> It depends.
[17:02] <SpeedEvil> The GPU cannot be used under X at all.
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[17:03] <SpeedEvil> And what you remember of P2 performance may be misleading.
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[17:03] <SpeedEvil> As while the Pi might run firefox 2 at reasonable speeds, it won't do FF14
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[17:06] <mirf> Spiffy: how can you use the gpu?
[17:06] <Spiffy> huh?
[17:06] <mirf> err
[17:06] <mirf> SpeedEvil: how can you use the gpu?
[17:06] <mirf> sorry Spiffy
[17:06] <Spiffy> np
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[17:10] <sam> long story short: the Pi's GPU is extremely good compared to its CPU
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[17:12] <Hodapp> SpeedEvil: GPU cannot be used under X at all?
[17:13] <zgreg> you can use the GPU under X, but there is no integration (i.e. no windowed GLES)
[17:16] <Hodapp> bah, why is that?
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[17:18] <zgreg> well, quite simply because there is no code for that kind of thing in X drivers. at the moment the barebones fbdev driver is used.
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[17:19] <[SLB]> hm i changed hostname to simply pi, also updated /etc/hostname but i get: sudo: unable to resolve host pi
[17:19] <[SLB]> how should i fix it?
[17:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> you need to change /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts and then reboot
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[17:20] <[SLB]> ah hosts too, let me see
[17:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> last line
[17:20] <[SLB]> thanks worked, and no need to reboot :)
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[17:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> the rebbot will just clear any cached thingies
[17:22] <ziltro2> Updates to /etc/hosts ar instant, aren't they? Updates to /etc/hostname might not be.
[17:22] <Nullifi3d|Pi> export hostname
[17:22] <[SLB]> just relogged for now seems ok so far
[17:22] <[SLB]> ah right thanks
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[17:44] <bytesoup> What kind of responses have you folks had from your kids when you introduced them to the Rpi?
[17:45] * Hodapp has no kids.
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[17:46] <wmat> bytesoup: quoting my son "can I play Minecraft on this?"
[17:46] <bytesoup> wmat: rofl! I had the exact same question
[17:46] <Gabrialdestruir> lol
[17:46] <bytesoup> my answer: err you might have some trouble with memory there
[17:47] <Gabrialdestruir> It's not completely impossible to run it I think, but running it vs playing it would be vastly different.
[17:47] <bytesoup> is it me or are kids more of a "use" and "consume" mindset these days? im generalising wildly though
[17:48] <Gabrialdestruir> I wonder how much effort it'd take to build a python Dropbox client for the rPi
[17:51] <wmat> bytesoup: somewhat. But so was I at 10. Alas, I never had enough quarters though.
[17:52] <ziltro2> Did you have enough halves?
[17:52] <wmat> ziltro2: sure, but they wouldn't fit in the arcade machines
[17:52] <bytesoup> lol
[17:53] <bytesoup> yeah i supposed I spent all my 10p coins on space invaders
[17:53] <ziltro2> Ah that's a game I am good at.
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[17:57] <bytesoup> ziltro2: did you know that apprently they run out of 100yen coins in japan due to space invaders: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Invaders
[17:58] <Gabrialdestruir> lol.... what?
[17:58] <Gabrialdestruir> That's gamers addiction right there.
[17:59] <ziltro2> Haha
[17:59] <ziltro2> There's another Japanese game I've heard of, I forget the name, which apparently is very addictive.
[17:59] <Gabrialdestruir> that would of been an awkard conversation i suppose "I need another 100yen piece" "Sorry man, we're all out, have to close up shop"
[17:59] <bytesoup> lol @ Gabrialdestruir
[17:59] <ziltro2> Lots of balls. No that's not a euphemisim.
[18:00] <bytesoup> pacman?
[18:00] <ziltro2> No, it is a bit like gambling but for physical balls, marble size but metal.
[18:00] <bytesoup> oh now you got me
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[18:00] <bytesoup> solitaire :)
[18:01] <ziltro2> Apaprently 'japan gambling game balls' is good enough for google to work it out... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pachinko
[18:01] <Gabrialdestruir> Ahh...
[18:01] <Gabrialdestruir> Pachinko
[18:01] <bytesoup> Oh I dont remember that
[18:02] <ziltro2> It i fairly new I think.
[18:02] <Gabrialdestruir> So curious....
[18:02] <Gabrialdestruir> If you program a Pi with object recognition.... and you program it to recognize other Pi's....
[18:02] <Gabrialdestruir> and then you make it recognize itself....
[18:02] <bytesoup> defender was the game, I used to love it but I was totally hopeless at it
[18:03] <Gabrialdestruir> Has it become self aware?
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[18:08] <bytesoup> Has anyone run MAME on the Rpi?
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[18:09] <bytesoup> I see a few things mentioned on google. Its one of the ports like SDLMAME correct?
[18:10] <teff> there was someone posted to read a couple of months ago i think
[18:10] <teff> read???]#
[18:10] <teff> reddit even
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[18:10] <teff> here it is http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/skllg/i_got_mame_running/
[18:12] <yggdrasil> hey guys
[18:12] <yggdrasil> does x in weezy run any gl stuff ?
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[18:14] <[SkG]> yggdrasil we dont have gpu accelerated drivers for x yet
[18:14] <yggdrasil> ok
[18:14] <yggdrasil> that would explain it.
[18:14] <yggdrasil> is it in the works ?
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[18:15] <[SkG]> I think that no one at broadcom is working on X acceleration
[18:15] <yggdrasil> i see... thanks.
[18:15] <[SkG]> Its in the hands of the community
[18:15] <yggdrasil> yea
[18:15] <yggdrasil> i have a gl app, that i guesse runs in x and .. is there any way to run stuff like that ?
[18:16] <[SkG]> anyway I think that there is people working on it
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[18:16] <yggdrasil> cool., yea im sure some people want that to work.
[18:16] <[SkG]> provided libs have openvg and opengl es interfaces
[18:16] <yggdrasil> hmm.
[18:16] <yggdrasil> ill have to revisit that.
[18:17] <yggdrasil> ok thank you.
[18:17] <[SkG]> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6488
[18:17] <[SkG]> there is something arround the forums
[18:18] <[SkG]> I'm not currently interested in accelerated X
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[18:18] <[SkG]> so I don't read them
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[18:20] <bytesoup> thanks teff
[18:20] <teff> no problem
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[18:44] <Hodapp> whoa, I can toggle GPIO at like 5 MHz in C
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[18:54] <akk> Hi -- is there any way to mount the pi SD card (or the .img file) on a Linux system? mount isn't recognizing it as a filesystem.
[18:54] <akk> On a regular x86 linux system, I mean (I know the pi is a linux system too. :)
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[18:57] <Hodapp> akk: Linux should see partitions on it from an SD card. From a file it's a little trickier to see the partition table.
[18:57] <Hodapp> though fdisk will read it and you can do some math and mount it loopback with an offset
[19:00] <akk> I wrote it to a 2G SD card, and Linux sees the single partition, but no filesystem on it.
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[19:04] <akk> Aha, I think I needed to remove and reinsert the card -- now /proc/partitions is seeing two partitions.
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[19:08] <cave> HI, i want to convert a Video from *.avi to some R_Pi able... I do it with VLC and want to know what are the best settings
[19:08] <cave> there are so much
[19:10] <ziltro2> Well the video needs to be MPEG4 or H.264.
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[19:10] <dirty_d> cave, what video and audio codec is it in now?
[19:10] <ziltro2> I would use MKV/Matroska as the container format.
[19:10] <dirty_d> and ffmpeg
[19:11] <ziltro2> I suspect the RPi can decode any audio codec on the CPU? Although if space isn't an issue I'd gor FLAC to give the CPU less to do.
[19:11] <ziltro2> But that might just be me.
[19:12] <dirty_d> MP3, AAC and AC3 work fine for me
[19:12] <dirty_d> DTS leads to choppy video
[19:12] <ziltro2> That's good. The important thing is the video then.
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[19:13] <DexterLB> can the "ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=/usr/bin/arm-linux-gnueabi-" parameters be used to cross-compile arbitrary gcc-ish projects, or is it only available for the kernel?
[19:13] <dirty_d> only the kernel
[19:14] <cave> where can i findout which file format it is now. i mean exactly and not foo.avi
[19:14] <dirty_d> you can cross compile regular programs, but usually you will run into problems
[19:14] <ziltro2> VLC shows that... Media information?
[19:14] <ziltro2> Codec information?
[19:14] <cave> my files are on an openWRT Nas Router device, space is no problem
[19:14] <dirty_d> the most common that some programs are built during the build process that need to run on the machine doing the building
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[19:15] <dirty_d> and they cant if theyre compiled for arm and are building on x86
[19:15] <ziltro2> otherwise there is 'avprobe foo.avi'
[19:15] <dirty_d> DexterLB, i think your best bet is it install scratchbox2
[19:15] <dirty_d> its basically like a arm virtual machine, but its not
[19:15] <dirty_d> it sues qemu to emulate individual processes, so its much, much faster and you can have as many hardware threads as your cpu allows
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[19:17] <gordonDrogon> big office cleanup. lots of space now!
[19:17] <akk> I'm trying to enable ssh (on wheezy) and everything I find via google says there should be a boot.rc or boot_enable_ssh.rc on the first partition
[19:18] <akk> but the current 2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.zip image doesn't seem to have either of those.
[19:18] <ziltro2> cave: A video file comprises multiple formats. Container format, video format, audio format, subtitles format. (If it has audio and/or subtitles.)
[19:18] <ziltro2> akk: Second partition?
[19:19] <cave> yes, maybe i will take a small video and try a few codec-combinations
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[19:19] <akk> ziltro2: It's not at the top level of the second partition either, or in etc/init.d ... maybe a hint as to where to look?
[19:19] <akk> And where this file should go?
[19:19] <cave> but if there is a best-practice... or if there is an agreement on which codec would be better to use
[19:20] <ziltro2> cave: The RPi can basically only play MPEG4 or H.264 video. I'm not sure the difference.
[19:21] <ziltro2> Matroska (MKV) container format seems to be "The Best", and audio might as well be the same as the original file.
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[19:22] <ziltro2> akk: I'm not sure. Have you tried searching for '*.rc' or similar? I don't have any RPi stuff with me at the moment.
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[19:22] <akk> ziltro2: I've looked for boot*, */boot*, */*/boot* with no luck. I haven't done a complete find.
[19:22] <cave> ziltro2, i have here the options "H.264+AAC(MP4)" and "H.264+AAC(TS)" and "MPEG-2+MPGA(TS)"
[19:23] <cave> and don't really know if there are codec-libs are missing and it could be more...
[19:23] <akk> But now I have, and find says there's no file named boot.rc or boot_enable_ssh.rc anywhere on the second partition.
[19:23] <ziltro2> cave: Not the last one. :)
[19:23] <akk> I wish r.pi docs would say things like "create a file called /path/to/boot.rc and put <this> in it"
[19:24] <akk> instead of "rename the file named boot_enable_ssh.rc to boot.rc"
[19:24] <akk> I can't find any page that says what boot.rc should look like or where it should go.
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[19:25] <Ricksl> anyone know where I can get the squeeze image or the wheezy armel?
[19:25] <ziltro2> akk: Oh, just did a quick web search, looks like they really did mean the first partition, the FAT one, which will end up mounted as /boot/.
[19:25] <ziltro2> Don't know what ti chould contain though.
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[19:27] <akk> I thought it was the first partition (/boot) ... but there are no files by that name there either.
[19:27] <akk> I guess they've changed the debian images but not added any documentation to explain whatever the new procedure is. :(
[19:28] <Mco> that official raspbian image should have ssh enabled by default, if I have understood correctly
[19:29] <akk> Oh! okay, I'll just try booting it.
[19:29] <akk> Everything I found on the net said it was disabled by default and had to be enabled.
[19:29] <Ricksl> it gives you the option to turn it on at setup
[19:29] <Ricksl> the setup automatically launches at first boot i believe
[19:29] <akk> The issue is, I don't have an HDMI cable.
[19:29] <akk> So I want to turn it on before I boot
[19:30] <akk> so I can ssh in to the machine.
[19:30] <Ricksl> no composite either?
[19:30] <akk> Not sure if I have a cable for that or not ... maybe if I search.
[19:30] <akk> But mostly I want to use the pi without a monitor.
[19:30] <akk> I want to do device control and robotics and such.
[19:31] <Ricksl> fair enough
[19:31] <akk> This seems fairly common -- googling finds a zillion people wanting to use it headless (but it was all from the era where they had this boot_enable_ssh.rc file).
[19:32] <Ricksl> just try it hooked up to a tv at first then go headless
[19:33] <ziltro2> I haven't tried composite output yet.
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> do you have another linux box with an SD card reader?
[19:33] <ziltro2> I'm sure I have a few spare composite to SCART cables lying around... :)
[19:33] <akk> Maybe it actually is enabled by default. There's a /etc/init.d/ssh that tests for /usr/bin/sshd
[19:35] <Ricksl> btw has anyone else had issues with the keyboard on raspbian? before i got hunting down a different image or whatever
[19:36] <Hodapp> Ricksl: what sort of issues?
[19:36] <Hodapp> Ricksl: I've had keyboard issues but I don't know if they're Raspbian's fault
[19:36] <Ricksl> uhh the keys are sticky, like the enter will get "stuck" down
[19:36] <Ricksl> but i can confirm it isn't the keyboard or the power supply
[19:37] <Hodapp> hmm... the keyboard I was using (not mine, don't know its history) had issues with repeating a key when I'm not touching it or with keystrokes not arriving when I press them, but waiting for later keystrokes
[19:37] <Ricksl> then there is alot of mis-entered text like i will type lsusb but it will only output lssb or something like that
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[19:38] <brotatos> can the raspberry pi compile C code?
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> yes
[19:38] <brotatos> gordonDrogon: can it handle flash/html5 videos?
[19:38] <akk> Darn, it's not even pinging, let alone allowing ssh.
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> no
[19:38] <Ricksl> oh and here is where it gets very odd, I got a wifi adapter that worked well with it, i typed iwconfig and it just kinda hung there
[19:38] <Hodapp> Ricksl: has no one else reported this? PM me a little later when I'm away from when and I'll look up the keyboard model and such
[19:38] <Ricksl> then i unplugged the keybaord and it continued
[19:38] <brotatos> gordonDrogon: how about the X.org server?
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> brotatos, how about it?
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[19:39] <brotatos> gordonDrogon: does it run smoothly on the rpi?
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> brotatos, it's runs fine, but with no acelleration.
[19:39] <brotatos> perfect
[19:39] <brotatos> i think i'll be buying one then
[19:39] <brotatos> my current computer sucks up a lot of power which my parents aren't too happy about
[19:39] <brotatos> so i'll be using the rpi for irc/browsing/code
[19:40] <Hodapp> brotatos: you may find it slow to browse on.
[19:40] <Ricksl> theres somewhat of a waiting list beware
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> brotatos, your web experience will be somewhat limited - it works, but you'll need to be patient.
[19:40] <Hodapp> Ricksl: despite the waiting list mine arrived in about a week or two from Newark
[19:40] <Ricksl> mine got to me a full 3 weeks early so i was happy enough
[19:40] <brotatos> Hodapp: gordonDrogon i'll mainly be browsing websites that have coding tutorials like highercomputingforeveryone.com or learncodethehardway.org
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> however the chromium browser is avalable for it.
[19:40] <Ricksl> still wouldn't have had mine otherwise
[19:41] <akk> yay, I'm in! Looks like they're enabling ssh by default now (whew!)
[19:42] <Ricksl> cool deal, you may find it worth your time to look into serial console into the pi
[19:42] <akk> Thanks, will do.
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[19:43] <brotatos> aww no firefox available?
[19:44] <Hodapp> brotatos: how much power - in terms of kWh - is your box using such that your parents aren't pleased about it?
[19:44] <nputnam> web browsing is pretty painful on the pi IMO
[19:44] <brotatos> i'll convert soon
[19:44] <brotatos> but for now, it typically uses 100-200W on average
[19:45] <brotatos> 300W if I game (usually once or twice a week)
[19:45] <Hodapp> so they've never estimated it in kWh and looked at the actual cost?
[19:45] <Ricksl> well just know what you are getting into, its not really a computer replacement so much as a niche computing solution
[19:46] <brotatos> Hodapp: nah; they just noticed that since i built my computer, the bill has double (we're paying in the 300% apparently)
[19:46] <Hodapp> You will learn to love light browsers if you try to use the RPi for regular desktop work
[19:46] <brotatos> they also forgot to mention that i and my sister moved in witht them for the summer too....
[19:46] <Hodapp> brotatos: for that to be due to your PC is highly unlikely
[19:46] <brotatos> Hodapp: it's a 650W PSU so they assume that it's always using 650W...
[19:46] <Hodapp> blugh
[19:46] <brotatos> it has*
[19:47] <Ricksl> yeah that sounds like something else then, remember its summer so there is the ac running (assuming you have one i guess)
[19:47] <Hodapp> I had a server once with a 1 kW PSU and _at load_ it used < 200 W
[19:47] <Dagger2> brotatos: well, you can disprove that easily -- buy one of those mains power meters and show them the actual consumption
[19:48] <brotatos> Ricksl: we don't use AC because we live in a very cool area (not too cold either)
[19:48] <brotatos> Dagger2: they sell power meters? maybe a voltmeter with a switch could work
[19:48] <Ricksl> look up kill a watt
[19:48] <Hodapp> brotatos: look up the Kill-A-w- yeah that Ricksl said
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[19:49] <brotatos> bah, there so expensive
[19:49] <brotatos> i got to wait for my next paycheck
[19:49] <Dagger2> should be able to get one for $10-20
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[19:50] <Hodapp> make your parents buy one under the pretense that since you're auditing your own power usage, they can do the same and be more energy-conscious individuals(tm)
[19:50] <brotatos> Dagger2: like this? http://amzn.to/Ok5vBN
[19:50] <SIFTU> brotatos: did you have your machine on 24x7? yeah a kill-a-watt is about $18
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[19:50] <brotatos> SIFTU: i use it for about 5-6hours a day
[19:50] <Hodapp> "if you save blah watts of usage, you've just saved blah dollars, which will make the Kill-A-Watt pay for itself!"
[19:51] <SIFTU> brotatos: hmm I had a machine drawing about 100W 24x7 and saved about $40 a month by shutting it down
[19:51] <Ricksl> @Hodapp if i pulled something like that i would be sleeping in a room with nothing but a mattress
[19:51] <Ricksl> my parents hate being proven wrong
[19:51] <brotatos> Ricksl: same here...
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[19:52] <brotatos> maybe i should just buy the RPI
[19:52] <brotatos> it doesn't consume that much power, no?
[19:52] <Dagger2> brotatos: I guess. it seems to have a surprised face on it rather than a plug socket, but other than that ;)
[19:52] <Ricksl> its a fun thing to mess around with anyway
[19:52] <Berry_HK> just got a Raspi 2011 Model B in
[19:52] <Berry_HK> what a nice device
[19:52] <brotatos> Berry_HK: is the 2012 model out?
[19:52] <Ricksl> are you talking about alphas and beta boards?
[19:52] <Berry_HK> that what i ordered as RS
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[19:53] <Ricksl> I mean weren't there only like 50 or so alpha boards, slightly bigger with a barrel jack as opposed to microusb port?
[19:54] <Berry_HK> ive got the microusb
[19:54] <brotatos> Ricksl: just the stable boards? ..
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[19:55] <Ricksl> i think berry is confused, there were three types of boards, alphas which were made almost a year ago and only 50 of them where made and sent to developers
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[19:55] <Ricksl> there was beta boards made like 2 or so months before release, which is almost identiacl to the ones you would get now
[19:56] <Ricksl> and then there is just the standard boards that you would buy right now
[19:56] <brotatos> i don't even know where i would by an rpi
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[19:56] <Ricksl> uhhh element14 there is rs components as well
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[19:57] <Ricksl> go on raspberrypi.org they have some links up there
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[19:57] <brotatos> how about this board? http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?id=83T1943&Ntt=83T1943
[19:58] <xlq> My keyboard keeps rebooting.
[19:58] <Ricksl> thats the one
[19:58] <xlq> I've tried three different power supplies now.
[19:58] <brotatos> sweet
[19:58] <brotatos> i'll order that when i get home
[19:58] <Ricksl> but do you understand the differences between arm and x86?
[19:59] <DexterLB> why is there no /lib/firmware on arch?
[19:59] <xlq> DexterLB: /usr/lib/firmware
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[20:00] <DexterLB> xlq: ooooooooooo
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[20:00] <xlq> DexterLB: For some reason someone somewhere thought having a /lib just wasn't hip.
[20:01] <xlq> So everything's being moved to /usr/lib etc.
[20:01] <DexterLB> hmm - the kernel I compiled has just a few stuff in the firmware folder
[20:01] <DexterLB> but the default firmware folder has loads :D
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[20:01] <plugwash> ahh the fedora guys and their crazy ideas
[20:01] <DexterLB> have I done something wrong?
[20:03] <brotatos> can the pi play .mkv videos as well as any other formats using mplayer?
[20:04] <Ricksl> its not so much the wrapper or container or whatever the hell its called, its the codecs
[20:04] <cave> Are there any confirmed (community confirmed) delivery times from Farnell/RS to mainland europe? At the moment ?
[20:04] <brotatos> ooo
[20:04] <brotatos> i could turn it into a little radio
[20:04] <xlq> brotatos: Yes it can, if it contains H.264.
[20:05] <cave> I'm encoding now MKV format. with h.264 and AAC (MP4) and will test it
[20:05] <Mco> From Farnell to Finland: ordered 16/7, shipped last wednesday, received today
[20:05] <plugwash> sounds rather slow to me
[20:05] <plugwash> how did they send it?
[20:05] <Mco> royal mail
[20:05] <cave> 11 worker days to finland from UK
[20:05] <brotatos> cave: thanks
[20:05] <Berry_HK> rs ordered last week -> will be send in 11 weeks
[20:06] <plugwash> ah that explains things, guess farnell are cheaping out on the shipping for Pi stuff (I thought they usually used UPS for international stuff)
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[20:06] <cave> Farnell is faster at the moment i guess...
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[20:07] <plugwash> yeah, RS are offering a significantly better price for bulk orders
[20:08] <plugwash> (for single units farnell are marginally cheaper)
[20:09] <ziltro2> I had keyboard issues when transferring a lot of data ofer the network.
[20:09] <ziltro2> I guess it used a lot of the USB bandwidth.
[20:10] <plugwash> and given what has been said about the quality of the USB host driver I have my doubts that it is properly distinguishing "interrupt" traffic from "bulk" traffic
[20:10] <Berry_HK> just played with BerryBoot
[20:10] <Berry_HK> really nic
[20:10] <Berry_HK> e
[20:11] <plugwash> has the "kexec breaks videocore" issue been fixed?
[20:11] <Berry_HK> althought my 8GB microSD (using a SD adapter) gave problems... so did my micro32GB
[20:11] <plugwash> or does berryboot not use kexec
[20:12] <Berry_HK> now using SANdisk Ultra II2 GB
[20:12] <Berry_HK> problems be gone!
[20:13] <Ricksl> I got a great deal at staples when i bought my sd cards, 16gb sdhc class 6 sandisk ultra for 15 dollhairs
[20:14] <ziltro2> Dollhairs are expensive.
[20:16] <cave> 8GB Transcend CL10 for 7,30? and 16GB Transcend CL10 for 10,50? at the moment. Austria, in Germany even cheaper.
[20:17] <Berry_HK> plugwash: i am just a newby
[20:18] <Berry_HK> or n00b as you like
[20:18] <Berry_HK> i need to look for a working SD card
[20:19] <Berry_HK> got some 16GB flying around too
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[20:22] <Ricksl> quick question where do usb flashkeys and such mount on the rpi?
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[20:26] <xlq> Ricksl: Wherever you choose to mount them.
[20:26] <Ricksl> yeah disreguard i figured it out
[20:27] <Ricksl> i thought it auto mounted like it does with most desktop operating systems, it threw me off
[20:27] <xlq> Ricksl: You can set it up to do that, if you wish.
[20:28] <xlq> This is more or less a freshly installed Arch Linux installation I'm using here, yet programmes that use curses display only juk.
[20:28] <xlq> junk. Surely someone else has noticed this...
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[20:34] <xlq> Ahh, turns out unicode_start fixes it!
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[20:37] <mebus> what files does rpi-update change? cause I used it on the raspbian image which broke it.
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[20:41] <plugwash> it downloads a new firmware, kernel and modules
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[20:44] <MoleMan_> is it possible to get an RPi to automatically start X and a VNC server on boot?
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[20:47] <brotatos> wait
[20:47] <brotatos> how do you power the rpi?
[20:48] <mebus> plugwash: I replaced the stuff on the FAT32 partition
[20:48] <mebus> now it boots up again.
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[20:49] <Mco> brotatos: using a micro usb power adapter
[20:49] <brotatos> Mco: i'm assuming it doesn't come with one
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[20:50] <M3nti0n> brotatos, no, because its widespread, everyone has a charger for a phone or whatever they do not deliver one.
[20:50] <M3nti0n> But, brotatos, you can order one seperately
[20:51] <[SLB]> hm i have a wifi dongle that needs the zd1211-firmware, so i installed it and all was recognized fine. how am i supposed to configure the connection now?
[20:51] <brotatos> i feel like this is going to end up costing more than just $35 :P
[20:51] <ziltro2> I have no micro USB phones.
[20:52] <M3nti0n> ziltro2, then you need to get one seperately ;)
[20:52] <M3nti0n> brotatos, theyr widespread for like $2,99 on ebay <:o)
[20:52] <ziltro2> I have some PSUs on order. :)
[20:52] <brotatos> I have no micro USB phones I think.
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[20:55] <mebus> is it correct that rpi-update may not be uses on raspbian?
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[20:55] <mebus> *used
[20:56] <plugwash> rpi-update should work on raspbian but IIRC the repo it pulls from contains bleeding edge kernels and firmware
[20:56] <plugwash> that may have new bugs
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[20:58] <mebus> plugwash: doesn't boot.
[20:58] <mebus> had to replace the files manually.
[20:58] <[SLB]> iwlist wlan0 scan gives me no results
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[21:03] <[SLB]> uh, must go by sudo
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[21:08] <iBooyaa> greets
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[21:09] <iBooyaa> I got stabbed by the legs of my led segment display and bled
[21:09] <iBooyaa> do I need to worry?
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[21:09] <iBooyaa> been ages since I had my tetanus shot easily 20 yrs
[21:12] <plugwash> isn't it outdoor cuts where you generally need to worry about such things
[21:12] * plugwash would expect electronic components to be pretty clean
[21:12] <iBooyaa> just worried about electrical components prolly worry about lead stuff
[21:12] <iBooyaa> but that would surely require a lot of lead together poisoning?
[21:13] <plugwash> IIRC heavy metals aren't really all that bad when they are in the form of metals
[21:13] <plugwash> because the body can't easilly apsorb them in that form
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[21:14] <plugwash> and besides modern electronic parts are generally lead free
[21:15] <iBooyaa> cheers dude :)
[21:15] <iBooyaa> I'll stop having kittens now
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[21:21] <Ricksl> plugwash i thought they were most dangerous when they are in metal form because the body tries to use them to replace otehr elements
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[21:22] <Ricksl> it tries to replace the phosphorus in cells with arsenic, but if they are in compounds that the body can't break up then it just passes them
[21:22] <Ricksl> if you were dealing with arsenic that is
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[21:35] <xlq> The volume control for snd_bcm2835 does nothing. Has anyone managed to get it to work?
[21:36] <xlq> Or to force software volume control.
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[21:36] <Martin`> bonjour!
[21:36] <Martin`> or something like that
[21:36] <Martin`> :P
[21:36] <frenkel> xlq: are you using hdmi audio?
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[21:37] <xlq> frenkel: No.
[21:37] <charolastra> hello, what does the "OK"-LED refere to? storage access?
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[21:37] <zgreg> volume control should work with up to date kernels
[21:38] <zgreg> it certainly does for me :)
[21:38] <xlq> I have 3.1.9-33-ARCH+
[21:38] <NoReflex> hello! anyone know which package the programs from /opt/vc/bin belong to? in the latest raspbmc image tvservice is not available and I want to install it
[21:42] <charolastra> i noticed that solder joints on my pi are all rather dull (except one); is this normal/expected? maby because it's lead free solder?
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[21:48] <xlq> Still, I should be able to use software volume control *somehow*.
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[22:00] <ziltro2> The volume control works in Raspbian, but it is a bit random
[22:01] <ziltro2> Can't seem to get it to be at 0dB easily, and the numbers change as I increase/decrease the volume.
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[22:09] <xlq> Also there are popping noises in the audio.
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[22:09] <Mazon> smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: kevent 2 may have been dropped <-- what to do about these ?
[22:11] <ziltro2> I've had popping issues when stopping playback in MPD.
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[22:13] <chithead> Mazon: two possible workarounds, http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#Troubleshooting
[22:14] <Mazon> chithead: how will these workarounds affect me ?
[22:15] <chithead> increasing vm.min_free_kbytes will reduce the amount of memory available for applications. disabling turbo mode might affect network performance or increase cpu load, didn't test
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[22:18] <hetii> Hi :)
[22:18] <MasterGeek> \o
[22:18] <Mazon> chithead: I already have vm.min_free_kbytes = 8192
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[22:20] <chithead> the message came only before sysctl setting became effective, or afterwards too?
[22:20] <Mazon> I haven't touched the sysctl - thats the default setting
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[22:22] <chithead> sysctl will only become effective late during boot
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[22:26] <[SLB]> is there a problem with the raspbian image about the start.elf? my rasp won't boot if i set it at 192/64 split
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[22:27] <[SLB]> works fine with 224
[22:28] <[SLB]> i changed it thru rasp-config
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[22:28] <[SLB]> hm, now am trying to copy it manually, let's see
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[22:31] <[SLB]> it booted
[22:31] <urs> So, after compiling xbmc for 24 hours now... it does finally... not work.
[22:31] <platzhirsch> has someone experience with using the Logitech C525 with Raspberry Pi?
[22:31] <[SLB]> i guess there's a problem in the raspi-config about setting the start.elf, if set from there, it won't boot
[22:32] <urs> because, it claims, "COMXCore does not name a type"
[22:34] <hotwings> [13:29:13] <urs> So, after compiling xbmc for 24 hours now... it does finally... not work. <-- lol! ouch ;(
[22:35] <urs> But I won't give up just yet. There's no sourcecode-problem that can't be solved by uncommenting the offending lines!
[22:35] <urs> And then hoping for the best!
[22:35] <urs> What it boils down to is that I don't seem to have omxlib. Should I?
[22:36] <urs> My (perfectly working) omxplayer seems to think otherwise.
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[22:36] <hotwings> maybe xbmc is looking for it in the wrong path
[22:37] <GriffenJBS> anyone with details of the BCM2835 around? I'm looking for the specs for A13-15,B13-14
[22:37] <hotwings> just curious though, why bother self-compiling xbmc on rpi?
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[22:38] <urs> hotwings: I don't like how the precompiled version clutters the whole filesystem.
[22:38] <Hodapp> hotwings: you have 10 hours to kill?
[22:38] <GriffenJBS> omxplayer ships with a lot of it's own libs
[22:38] <urs> if it's not in a debian package, it has no right to write stuff to /usr
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[22:43] <eva_02> Hello guys. I have a problem. When i connect to my raspberry pi two usb devices i see a lot this messages http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tbrKAHsF
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[22:43] <eva_02> in /var/log/messages
[22:44] <eva_02> I was try to google'd and found that this is about IRQ conflicts
[22:44] <eva_02> also when i see this messages - device freeze
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[22:45] <MasterGeek> eva_02, what devices are they
[22:45] <Draylor> throw the error into google, it throws up a few hints
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[22:46] <eva_02> MasterGeek, high power wireless cards
[22:46] <urs> ah, that's just great... I forgot --with-platform=raspberry-pi in the configure invocation
[22:46] <MasterGeek> self powered or are you tryin gto power them from pi VCC
[22:46] <eva_02> maybe it's power usage to much
[22:47] <MasterGeek> 100ma only for each device
[22:47] <eva_02> MasterGeek, not selfpowered, it's powered through USB
[22:47] <MasterGeek> 100ma only for each device
[22:47] <eva_02> em..
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[22:47] <MasterGeek> if you have a powered hub, you should try
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[22:48] <eva_02> MasterGeek, i get, thank you!
[22:48] <MasterGeek> yw
[22:49] <Berry_HK> anyone did a C64 conversion, aside from the vic314?
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[22:55] <JeffWBrooktree> did anyone notice a distorted / laggy sound output via the headphone jack? May this point to a power problem?
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[23:05] <gordonDrogon> evening...
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[23:09] <MasterGeek> \o
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[23:15] <rsc> for i in 1..50; do cat /lib/libc-2.15.so ?? foo; scp foo root@tux; scp root@tux:foo foo2 <- it turns off NIC a bunch of times during the cat/write and it at least freezes completely during the last scp after ~ 14 MB. Ideas?
[23:15] <chithead> rsc: errors in dmesg?
[23:16] <rsc> chithead: what in "freezes completely" didn't you get?
[23:16] <chithead> sometimes you get errors like oopses or other messages before freeze
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[23:17] <rsc> chithead: and nope, nothing visible on the screen or in dmesg as far as I can see it
[23:17] <chithead> you may be able to capture kernel panic via serial console
[23:17] <chithead> also "turns off nic" will surely be recorded in dmesg
[23:18] <rsc> chithead: can't exclude that for sure, the safe thing to see it is that both NIC LEDs are turned off and then turned on again
[23:19] <rsc> chithead: the other of the both turns sometimes off USB while reproducing, too.
[23:19] <rsc> but just rarely.
[23:20] <rsc> it only happens on inbound data that is written to the disk
[23:20] <rsc> s/disk/sdcard/ as it seems. Reading and sending out works.
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[23:20] <chithead> you could try disabling smsc95xx turbo mode
[23:21] <chithead> if that doesn't help you will probably need to find a way to get at the kernel error messages
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[23:22] <Jef91> Anyone here have decent video playback working on the Pi under the Debian Wheezy image?
[23:22] <Jef91> I can't seem to get anything to run smoothly here
[23:22] <rsc> there is only a USB keyboard attached, but happens also without. Powersupply is an original Samsung Galaxy S2/S3 one
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[23:23] <rsc> chithead: "disabling smsc95xx turbo mode"?
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[23:28] <chithead> rsc: by adding "smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N" to kernel parameters or "options smsc95xx turbo_mode=N" to /etc/modprobe.d/
[23:32] <rsc> chithead: does what? 10 MBit/s rather 100 MBit/s?
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[23:37] <chithead> I think it turns off burst receive
[23:39] <rsc> hm okay
[23:39] <rsc> why does it turn off the LED NIC lights while doing I/O on the SD card?
[23:40] <rsc> especially writing ~ 10 1.5 MB chunks sequentially cause that
[23:40] <chithead> I don't know. dmesg will possibly tell
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[23:40] <prpplague> just fyi, tomorrow is the last day of Call for Participation for the Embedded Linux Conference Europe - proposals need to be submitted by midnight PST tomorrow....
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[23:50] <Jef91> Is there any type of GUI/interface support for omxplayer yet?
[23:51] <Gabrialdestruir> It may just be odd to me.... but it seems like you wouldn't get a lot of sales trying to sell a lego kit and posting the instructions online free
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[23:51] <Gabrialdestruir> Especially considering it'd probably be cheaper to buy the lego parts directly from lego than it would to buy the kit
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[23:51] <Kanerix> Hard to buy legos that aren't in a design kit
[23:51] <Kanerix> bricklink makes it easier
[23:51] <Kanerix> but still
[23:52] <Kanerix> I used what I already had
[23:52] <Gabrialdestruir> http://shop.lego.com/en-US/Pick-A-Brick-ByTheme
[23:52] <Gabrialdestruir> That's what I used
[23:53] <Kanerix> didn't know about that
[23:53] <Gabrialdestruir> and to buy their kit from them it's like 21 bucks
[23:53] <Gabrialdestruir> + shipping
[23:53] <Gabrialdestruir> When I bought the parts for my custom lego case it was about 16 + shipping
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[23:55] <Gabrialdestruir> Plus the fact that you can access their design for free means, if you already have all the right parts.
[23:55] <Gabrialdestruir> they make no money .-.
[23:56] <Gabrialdestruir> I'd rather sell the instructions myself and let people decide how they want to acquire their legos
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[23:57] <Kanerix> Do you perchance know what the power characteristics are of those lego motors? I'm using this for a robotics project, and it'd be nice to use withoout lego's controller thing...
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[23:58] <Gabrialdestruir> Huh.
[23:58] <Jef91> Anyone around that knows if there are more recent omxplayer builds for ARMEL?
[23:58] <Gabrialdestruir> That'd be an interesting project, custom build Lego robo with your own computer brain.
[23:59] <Gabrialdestruir> Plus it's obvious in this design of theirs that the Pi isn't 100% secure
[23:59] <Kanerix> I already have a lego robot chassis that I was running off a javelin stamp, but that was limited in functionality
[23:59] <Gabrialdestruir> which means it'll move around inside the case .-.

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