#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-08-02

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[0:07] <sutterCane> what is the name of tha hardware accelerated media player?
[0:07] <[SLB]> omxplayer?
[0:07] <sutterCane> got it. omxplayer...
[0:08] <sutterCane> thanks anyway :)
[0:08] <[SLB]> yw :)
[0:08] <ekselkiu> Not in Arch Linux :(
[0:08] <ekselkiu> It's in AUR at least.
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[0:24] <jimis7> hello there
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[0:25] <jimis7> i installed Raspbian wheezy but when im trying to run quake 3 i get this error
[0:25] <jimis7> 871255489: vchiq_lib: Very incompatible VCHIQ library - cannot retrieve driver v
[0:25] <jimis7> * failed to open vchiq instance
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[0:26] <jimis7> any idea how to fix this ?
[0:26] <aec> Is there a dedicated place where we can blog our RPi related projects?
[0:26] <aec> blog/document/share
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[0:26] <aec> possibly wiki
[0:27] <jimis7> anyone who could help
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[0:29] <aec> jimis7: I don't really know, but... If raspbian distro is actually using debian-arm or something, bundled together with a few apps; then you could find better answers to your problem if you search for that distro, and not necessarily rpi
[0:29] <jimis7> i searched i found some answers but still no luck with this
[0:29] <aec> did you ask the debian guys?
[0:30] <plugwash> very incompatible vchiq library means that your kernel/firmware/videocore libraries don't all match up
[0:30] <plugwash> IIRC
[0:31] <jimis7> so what do i have to do ?
[0:31] <jimis7> hmm
[0:31] <aec> I would uninstall a couple
[0:31] <aec> then test again until it complained about missing libraries instead
[0:31] <aec> then install what's missing
[0:31] <aec> and done
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[0:36] <aec> well I'm going to make 6-back keyboards for rpi and nobody is interested. why am I not surprised
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[0:38] <prpplague> aec: "6-back keyboards" ?
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[0:39] <lrvick> Anyone tried controlling steppers with the pi?
[0:39] <lrvick> using an easydriver or some such?
[0:40] <aec> prpplague: yeah. it is a very very unpopular chorded keyboard design made with portable devices in mind
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[0:40] <prpplague> aec: url?
[0:40] <aec> prpplague: bkos.net
[0:41] * prpplague assumes aec is joking around
[0:41] <aec> prpplague: nah. not really
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[0:42] <aec> prpplague: I cannot use mini sized full keyboards
[0:42] <prpplague> aec: i see nothing on that url that relates to a keyboard
[0:43] <aec> prpplague: let me see. I wrote that from mind, so
[0:43] <prpplague> gkos.net maybe?
[0:44] <aec> prpplague: sigh, yeah
[0:44] <aec> prpplague: my bad :)
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[0:47] <aec> prpplague: so yeah, that was the best layout I could find amongs existing ones that I could make a credit sized keyboard out of
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[0:47] <aec> prpplague: I'm genuinely interested if there are better designs
[0:48] <prpplague> aec: well it is after all just 6 gpio buttons from what i gather
[0:48] * prpplague looks again
[0:48] <aec> prpplague: that's one way of implementing it, yeah
[0:49] <aec> prpplague: and then programming the driver to make it behave as a keyboard
[0:49] <prpplague> aec: that is nothing, a whole 5 minutes
[0:49] <aec> prpplague: I am more interested in making a usb device that I can plug/play
[0:50] <ZenoArrow> Hi. I'm looking to add a software repository. I'm using Raspbian (based on Debian Wheezy). I've made a backup of the /etc/apt/sources.list file, and am now ready to edit it. The repo is http://archive.qmh-project.org/rpi/debian/pool-armel/ (which is mentioned here: http://qt-project.org/wiki/RaspberryPi ). What is the text I need to enter into the sources.list file for this repo to be...
[0:50] <ZenoArrow> ...successfully added?
[0:50] <prpplague> aec: minimal efforts there with any of the lpc/pic/avr/arm devices that support usb
[0:51] <plugwash> ZenoArrow, looking at that repo it only seems to have armel packages
[0:51] <aec> prpplague: well I haven't interfaced any microcontroller with usb yet, so it's not so much minimal effort for me. I'll have to study the protocol and code a microcontroller accordingly
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[0:52] <ZenoArrow> plugwash, okay, so could you tell me if that is a problem?
[0:52] <prpplague> aec: for most of the micro's there are libs for usb HID functions
[0:52] <prpplague> aec: very easy to implement
[0:52] <plugwash> yes is IS a problem
[0:52] <Jef91> If I build ARMHF packages on an ARMv7 system should they work on the ARMv6 Pi or do I need to do some type of cross compiling?
[0:52] <aec> prpplague: like usb-tiny, I guess
[0:52] <prpplague> aec: yea
[0:53] <aec> prpplague: I've heard those were meant to replace the hardware implementation of the usb
[0:53] <ZenoArrow> Jef91, the packages will need recompiling.
[0:53] <ZenoArrow> plugwash, why is it a problem?
[0:53] <prpplague> aec: all depends on what you want to do
[0:53] <prpplague> aec: there are always trade offs
[0:53] <Jef91> Ahh alrighty. Well my ARMv7 system is much faster than the pi - is there a way I can cross compile from there to work on the armv6?
[0:54] <plugwash> ZenoArrow, please read the raspbian FAQ
[0:54] <ZenoArrow> Jef91, if you're going to cross compile, you may as well use your PC.
[0:54] <Jef91> Meh thats true
[0:55] <plugwash> Jef91, what matters is not so much the hardware as the compiler defaults and the static libraries. If you build in an environment with a compiler that defaults to armv7 and/or with armv7 static libraries you will end up with binaries that will only run on armv7
[0:55] <plugwash> OTOH building in a raspbian chroot on armv7 hardware works fine and is how raspbian itself is built
[0:56] <Jef91> alright well I just setup a ARMHF chroot
[0:56] <Jef91> on armv7 hardware
[0:56] <Jef91> and the package built there
[0:56] <Jef91> don't launch on the pi
[0:56] <plugwash> what do you mean by an "armhf chroot"?
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[0:57] <plugwash> do you mean a chroot containing official debian armhf?
[0:57] <Jef91> I created a chroot
[0:57] <Jef91> using the instructions on the debian wiki
[0:58] <Jef91> and it is ARMHF
[0:58] <Jef91> the chroot I made
[0:58] <ZenoArrow> Jef91, you can't run ARMv7 binaries on ARMv6 hardware, as the instruction set is different.
[0:58] <plugwash> can you be specific as to EXACTLY what you did?
[0:58] <ZenoArrow> ARMHF mentioned in the Debian wiki is designed for use with ARMv7 hardware.
[0:59] <ZenoArrow> Therefore, it's not surprising that the binaries don't work on the Pi.
[0:59] <Jef91> alrighty
[0:59] <Jef91> Thanks
[0:59] <Jef91> i see that now
[0:59] <ZenoArrow> You have to recompile for the ARMv6 architecture.
[0:59] <Jef91> going to build a new chroot following this -> http://superpiadventures.com/2012/07/development-environment/
[0:59] <Jef91> looks better
[0:59] <Jef91> will armv6 packages run on armv7 hardware?
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[1:00] <plugwash> yes
[1:00] <Jef91> Alright awesome.
[1:00] <Jef91> I just don't want to build things twice xD
[1:00] <plugwash> you don't need qemu, you just need to debootstrap a chroot using the raspbian repositories rather than the debian ones
[1:01] <ZenoArrow> plugwash, thank you for your advice about armel packages on Raspbian, looks like I may have to build from source.
[1:01] <plugwash> Jef91, there are instructions for creating a raspbian chroot at http://elinux.org/Raspbian
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[1:02] <Jef91> plugwash, don't I need to use qemu if I am doing this on a 64bit system though?
[1:03] <plugwash> I thought you were doing it on an armv7 system.....
[1:03] <Jef91> well if I am going to setup another chroot
[1:03] <Jef91> my desktop is faster than the armv7 system
[1:04] <Jef91> but yes I have access to an ARM v7 system
[1:04] <plugwash> you can use qemu on a PC but in my experiance unless you are memory starved qemu on a PC is no faster than running natively on an armv7
[1:04] <Jef91> ahh kk
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[1:05] <Jef91> I'll just strap up this on the armel then
[1:05] <Jef91> thanks for the input plugwash
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[1:06] <ZenoArrow> Jef91, you don't need to use qemu to do cross compilation.
[1:06] <prpplague> Jef91: which armv7 system?
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[1:07] <ZenoArrow> Read this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/493210/linux-cross-compilation-for-arm-architecture
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[1:08] <Jef91> deboot strap keeps giving me "E: Release signed by unknown key (key id 9165938D90FDDD2E)"
[1:08] <Jef91> prpplague, trimslice
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[1:11] <plugwash> --no-check-gpg
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[1:11] <plugwash> will make it bootstrap successfully
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[1:12] <Jef91> thanks plugwash
[1:12] <Jef91> I'm off for now - thanks for the help guys
[1:12] <Jef91> I'll be around...
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[1:25] <GriffenJBS> any hardware people here? I have a question about the BCM2835
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[1:28] <zgreg> GriffenJBS: just ask?
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[1:29] <GriffenJBS> what is V max for A13-15,B13-14
[1:30] <GriffenJBS> zgreg: I've asked many times over the last week, few have the information to give
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[1:33] <zgreg> GriffenJBS: what are these pins? they do not appear on the header or on the bcm2835 - at least not with that naming
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[1:39] <GriffenJBS> zgreg: on the 2835 they may be labeled VDD_BAT1, VDD_BAT2, etc
[1:39] <GriffenJBS> I don't have a datasheet, just pin numbers
[1:40] <zgreg> no idea, only broadcom knows, I guess
[1:40] <GriffenJBS> the pi expects USB power, but I've found a lot of supplies put out > 5.25V and I don't want to fry a pi
[1:41] <GriffenJBS> quiet a few seem to go as high as 5.65V, the pi may be ok, but I'm wanting a hardware guy to check the datasheet for me
[1:41] <zgreg> AFAIK the bcm2835 doesn't directly use 5V at all
[1:41] <GriffenJBS> yes it does
[1:41] <GriffenJBS> 5 pins wire directly from the USB -> polyfuse -> BCM2835
[1:42] <GriffenJBS> the others are all thru regulators, I'm not worried about those
[1:42] <SpeedEvil> GriffenJBS: The datasheet does not go into that, from memory.
[1:42] <SpeedEvil> It's very, very, very redacted.
[1:42] <GriffenJBS> I get the internals are hush, hush, but why is interface info so special?
[1:43] <GriffenJBS> these supplies show that unloaded so they may fall back into range with a load on them, but I'm not going to test it with my pi
[1:43] <zgreg> because stupid lawyers and overly protective companies
[1:44] <zgreg> GriffenJBS: hm, just add a resistor to simulate some load?
[1:44] * plugwash is not entirely convinced that full datasheets even exist
[1:44] <zgreg> I haven't seen any issues with high voltage in practice
[1:45] <plugwash> broadcom seem like the kind of company who rely less on actual documents and more on talking to thier customers
[1:46] <zgreg> if you want to be extra careful, add a suitable z-diode in parallel
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[1:53] <[SLB]> i've noticed that before rpi-update i just needed to uncomment disable_overscan, now i have fix the padding myself
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[2:07] <M3nti0n> realy
[2:07] <M3nti0n> Rasbian + xbmc runs very well
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[2:08] <M3nti0n> better then overpowered AMD Phenom II x4 with 8GB RAM and an AMD onboard graphics card to be honest.
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[2:24] <fabiobik> hello mates
[2:24] <fabiobik> does anyone tryed to stream webcam with raspberry?
[2:24] <mranostay> s/tryed/tried/
[2:25] <fabiobik> mranostay, ty
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[2:28] <M3nti0n> fabiobik, i personally didn't, you mean plugin a webcam and stream it to the web though ?
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[2:29] <fabiobik> M3nti0n, thats it
[2:29] <fabiobik> i have a probem right now libv4l2: error allocating conversion buffer
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[2:29] <SSilver2k2> lo all
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[2:30] <SSilver2k2> i didnt realize i wasnt connected for the past day. Adium shows me as connected but didnt reconnect me to my channels :(
[2:30] <M3nti0n> fabiobik, though its just a linux device, it will be able to do that, if the software has been compiled for arm devices.
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[2:31] <fabiobik> M3nti0n, yeh i guess so
[2:31] <M3nti0n> fabiobik, if you would like to have a manual for linux: http://www.moreno.marzolla.name/software/camera_control/
[2:31] <M3nti0n> Have fun working it out on raspbian for example :)
[2:32] <fabiobik> M3nti0n, i found a better one ;)
[2:32] <M3nti0n> ok
[2:32] <fabiobik> check http://jeremyblythe.blogspot.pt/2012/05/raspberry-pi-webcam.html
[2:32] <M3nti0n> ;)
[2:32] <SSilver2k2> incase anyone hasn't seen: http://blog.sheasilverman.com/2012/07/raspbian-on-raspberry-pi-mame-mess-quake3-neogeo-and-cave-story-binaries/ - new binaries for mame, mess, cave story, quake 3, and neo geo
[2:32] <fabiobik> someone was able to do it so
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[2:33] <M3nti0n> fabiobik, nice :)
[2:33] <M3nti0n> i still have 2 webcams lieing around
[2:33] <SSilver2k2> thats really cool
[2:34] <M3nti0n> i'll make a nice box, with webcam on it ;)
[2:34] <M3nti0n> so everyone will be able to see the weather here, lol
[2:34] <fabiobik> yeh did you saw the raspberry with batteries?
[2:34] <M3nti0n> yes fabiobik i'd see that ;)
[2:34] <M3nti0n> but im not going to mess with batteries soon i think, first want the box :p
[2:34] <fabiobik> 12 hours of operation? better than macbook hehehe
[2:35] <M3nti0n> going to make a aluminium casing with plexiglass and some blue lights ;)
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[2:35] <M3nti0n> or red, whatever i got at home ...
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[2:38] <fabiobik> M3nti0n, where you live? well the weather its not so god here also
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[2:39] <aphadke> M3nti0n: can u do skype video with the cams on pi?
[2:39] <M3nti0n> fabiobik, Netherlands
[2:39] <M3nti0n> aphadke, i dont think so, i think the cpu isn't fast enough, and neighter is skype opensource ;)
[2:40] <fabiobik> aphadke, i think so
[2:40] <aphadke> M3nti0n: doh!
[2:40] <aphadke> fabiobik: :D
[2:40] * aphadke starts drooling
[2:40] <M3nti0n> maybe, if you are able to fixup drivers for your webcam, you could get up some skype on android soonish ;)
[2:41] <fabiobik> ive able to take some snapshots
[2:41] <fabiobik> so the webcam its working
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[2:53] <sutterCane> are there any upnp a/v clients with no gui available?
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[3:02] <M3nti0n> hmm fabiobik i'm going to check my cam out too ;)
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[3:20] <DrLuke> can anyone tell me why I have no ttyS0 in /dev?
[3:20] <DrLuke> shouldn#t that be enabled by default
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[3:25] <flaccid> i would like some pi :)
[3:25] <flaccid> oh i already so, sweeet
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[3:30] <M3nti0n> fabiobik, tell me how it is on your side when i wake up again ok ? ;p
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[3:59] <ReggieUK> it's ttyAMA0 DrLuke
[3:59] <DrLuke> thanks reggieuk
[3:59] <ReggieUK> np
[3:59] <ReggieUK> I believe the ama part is because it's an 'amba' based uart
[3:59] <DrLuke> do you by chance know how to enable i2c and spi?
[3:59] <DrLuke> that's on the arch linux image
[4:00] <ReggieUK> yeah, edit the kernel .config and turn on i2c/spi (I think)
[4:00] <ReggieUK> or
[4:00] <ReggieUK> it could be that they're just blacklisted
[4:00] <ReggieUK> give me a second, let me check
[4:01] <ReggieUK> ahh yes
[4:01] <ReggieUK> I *think* you can enable them by editing /etc/modprobes.d/raspi-blacklist.conf and commenting out the 2 lines
[4:02] <ReggieUK> blacklist spi-bcm2708
[4:02] <ReggieUK> blacklist i2c-bcm2708
[4:02] <DrLuke> ok, I'll check
[4:02] <ReggieUK> change them to:
[4:02] <ReggieUK> #blacklist i2c-bcm2708
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[4:02] <ReggieUK> #blacklist spi-bcm2708
[4:03] <DrLuke> no such file or directory
[4:03] <ReggieUK> that should be modprobe.d not modprobes.d :D
[4:03] <DrLuke> (besides it being modprobe.d without the s)
[4:04] <ReggieUK> my mistake
[4:04] <DrLuke> yeah that folder is empty
[4:04] <ReggieUK> oh?
[4:04] <ReggieUK> then I have no idea
[4:04] <ReggieUK> are you using raspbian?
[4:04] <DrLuke> no, arch
[4:04] <DrLuke> I don't like apt-get that much
[4:04] <DrLuke> I probably have to recompile the kernel then (which I'm already doing
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[4:12] <DrLuke> Anyways, thanks ReggieUK, you've been the single most helpful person in this channel for the past 4 days
[4:13] <prpplague> DrLuke: that is main due to the fact he takes thorazine every 4 hours
[4:14] <flaccid> hehe
[4:14] <DrLuke> heh
[4:15] <ReggieUK> every 3 hours
[4:19] <DrLuke> Yay, I've received my first serial message on the RPi :)
[4:21] <fabiobik> M3nti0n|off, sure
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[5:11] <wad> I got my pi today! Wheeee!
[5:12] <cfy> wad: i got my pi today too!
[5:13] <wad> cfy, what have you got working so far?
[5:13] <wad> I got xchat installed, using it now...
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[5:13] <cfy> wad: i don't have a hdmi wire,so ....
[5:14] <wad> Oh, bummer. I made sure I had one in advance.
[5:14] <cfy> wad: is the sshd started by default in wheezy?
[5:14] <wad> Don't buy one at the store, they rip you off.
[5:14] <wad> Get one on amazin or $6
[5:14] <wad> for $6
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[5:14] <wad> amazon, I meant.
[5:14] <cfy> ???
[5:14] <cfy> oh
[5:14] <cfy> sorry..
[5:15] <cfy> wad: is the sshd started?
[5:15] <wad> yes
[5:15] <wad> I can ssh into the pi.
[5:15] <cfy> wad: maybe i can try to use ssh :D
[5:15] <wad> and out, too.
[5:15] <wad> Oh
[5:15] <wad> Wait, hold on.
[5:15] <wad> No, you have to enable it via this setup screen.
[5:15] <wad> Can't you just use the RCA plug?
[5:15] <cfy> wad: oh...
[5:15] <wad> You don't have to use the HDMI for video out.
[5:16] <cfy> wad: i don't have this
[5:16] <cfy> wad: maybe i can modify the image.
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[5:17] <cfy> wad: my network speed also sucks
[5:17] <wad> hmm
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[5:33] <Ricksl> you think the java se embedded would run better than open jre?
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[5:37] <cfy> do some know how to modify the 2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.img?
[5:37] <cfy> i want to enable sshd default
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[5:49] <yehnan> cfy: isn't it enabled by default?
[5:50] <cfy> yehnan: i don't know, some one tell me it is not
[5:50] <cfy> yehnan: maybe i should give it a try first
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[5:52] <yehnan> cfy: "... SSH is enabled by default on the raspbian" quoted from http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=12742
[5:53] <yehnan> cfy: my experience was that ssh is enabled by default.
[5:54] <techsurvivor> same here, if you can't get to it something is wrong, pretty sure it's enabled from the start
[5:54] <techsurvivor> unless you turned it off :)
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[6:52] <frustro> oh my. look at all the smart people.
[6:55] <prpplague> hmmm, i think i will avoid trolling that comment
[6:56] <frustro> well, I need to use kernel 269 to get support for http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/D2XX.htm. making an embedded controller for controlling LED via DMX for a burningman project.
[6:56] <frustro> so, I'l be here for the next few days :)
[6:57] <frustro> got 2 pi, so thats the mainboard, using an enttec opendmx usb adapter for the rs485
[6:57] <frustro> some python a buddy is working on for the project. https://github.com/ungood/IdahoCore
[6:58] <Tobias|> Has r-pi released a datasheet detailing the GPIO pins yet?
[6:58] <GriffenJBS> isn't that kinda circular? using pi -> USB -> FTDI -> Serial -> device?
[6:58] <GriffenJBS> rather than pi -> Serial -> device?
[6:59] <GriffenJBS> Tobias|: on the wiki
[6:59] <frustro> GriffenJBS, if you know a better rs485 that does the timing for dmx512 I'm all ears, but the commands are @40hz with specific 4ns timing between.
[6:59] <GriffenJBS> Tobias|: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[6:59] <frustro> I'm just using the pui for the sequence writing.
[6:59] <frustro> *pi
[6:59] <Tobias|> GriffenJBS: thanks
[7:00] <GriffenJBS> frustro: your taking about the DMX, it's a rather slow protocol the pi could output with a little hardware help
[7:00] <frustro> I got what I got and the project goes to the playa in less than 30 days.
[7:02] <GriffenJBS> frustro: good luck with that
[7:02] <frustro> plus the adapter has to go to a pc for a few custom shows
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[7:02] <frustro> it's 1 pi, 1 ftdi dmx adapter and 24 dmx decoders each with 3 channels of RGB stands goin gon a 20' structure
[7:03] <frustro> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/483317_3656085760928_1425208502_n.jpg
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[7:05] <frustro> Meh, I'm here because I need to read docs and have the pi running with python installed and usb/ssh host. I have to change my android build enviro. this isn't an omap4
[7:05] <hotwings> so youre trying to put blinking leds on that or what?
[7:05] <frustro> lol blinking
[7:05] <frustro> no, sequences.
[7:06] <hotwings> so, blinking in sequence then ;)
[7:06] <frustro> ha, yes
[7:06] <frustro> but, I dotn need help with that.
[7:06] <frustro> I got the .py covered.
[7:06] <hotwings> do you get to be inside that egg when its happening?
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[7:07] <frustro> I just need to change my build enviro for the new proc (arm? have no idea! was given 2 pi to test with) and I have to build a 269 kernel that has the ftdi native.
[7:08] <frustro> so, I'm gonna idle for build help. dont need project help.
[7:08] <frustro> just giving background
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[7:08] <frustro> hotwings, yes.. you may penetrate the egg with your seed.
[7:08] <frustro> if you can get past
[7:09] <hotwings> gets a little busier in the morning. not sure what on the planet you are but by morning i mean morning in north america
[7:09] <GriffenJBS> 2.6.9 kernel?
[7:09] <frustro> there's a solar shocking horse fence on it as well
[7:09] <frustro> yes, 2.6.9 has native ftdi 2dxx support in the kernel
[7:10] <frustro> I'm used to building my own enviro, so I'm not sure what's native or otb for this device.
[7:10] <GriffenJBS> I think your in for a world of hurt
[7:10] <frustro> dont say that
[7:11] <GriffenJBS> Has anyone seen a 2.x.x kernel on the pi?
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[7:11] <frustro> Linux 2012-06-29 1.1.12 1.1.12 - 1.1.12
[7:11] <frustro> Suitable for Raspberry Pi
[7:11] <frustro> http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/D2XX.htm
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[7:12] <frustro> GriffenJBS, are you saying that pi is 1.x or 3.x and skipped 2.x altogether? dont be silly.
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[7:15] <GriffenJBS> I'm saying 3.x.x came before the pi, I'm sure someone somewhere will back port stuff... but it's more work to find it
[7:16] <GriffenJBS> I think that's versin 1.1.12 of the ftdi lib, not linux kernel 1.1.12
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[7:16] <frustro> I didn't say linux 1.1.12
[7:17] <GriffenJBS> read the readme
[7:17] <frustro> GriffenJBS, just to ask, you ever built a kernel? ever cross compile?
[7:17] <GriffenJBS> lol, a few times this week
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[7:17] <frustro> ok. so we are on the same page. didn't want to be rude.
[7:18] <frustro> the ftdi was introduced in 2.6.9, I'm not into the pi docs yet, not that worried about it...
[7:18] <GriffenJBS> I don't have my history, had to reconnect, but I thought you said you needed linux kernel 1.1.12 for a driver you had
[7:19] <GriffenJBS> version 1 was a long time ago... version 2 is .. ? .. old? version 3 is the new hawtness
[7:19] <frustro> no, that was the version of the code for the device, not the kernel. the d2xx was introduced as native in 2.6.9+
[7:19] <GriffenJBS> somewhere I misunderstood
[7:19] <frustro> it's ok :)
[7:19] <frustro> that's why I calrified before goind asshat mode.
[7:19] <frustro> *clarified
[7:20] <GriffenJBS> is that runlevel 7?
[7:20] <frustro> 3
[7:20] <prpplague> hehe
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[7:21] <frustro> yeah yeah, init 6 blah blah. fu. I dont know this device yet.
[7:21] <frustro> ask for advice and all I get is crap..love irc fold :)
[7:21] <prpplague> frustro: just fyi. the ft2xxx series is supported via libusb and libftdi , both are open source libraries
[7:22] <prpplague> frustro: you can use the libfd2xx from ftdi, but it is closed source and pretty difficult to debug
[7:22] <prpplague> frustro: much more robust support for the open libs
[7:23] <frustro> I was looking at pyserial in this code my buddy whipped up.
[7:23] <prpplague> frustro: libftdi has a number of fixes and specific protections for use under linux
[7:23] <frustro> https://github.com/ungood/IdahoCore
[7:23] <GriffenJBS> prpplague: thanks for speaking up, details I don't have, rather exp. with ftdi
[7:23] <GriffenJBS> I've never used them from the software side
[7:25] <frustro> I'll let my coder guy know that :) I just build the enviro.
[7:26] <frustro> by friday I'm supposed to have that ftdi com port up and python running for testing with the external hardware.
[7:31] <prpplague> frustro: based on your comments, i suspect you have a lot of fun ahead of you to accomplish that
[7:32] <frustro> yeah, I know arduino, and .netMF and linux fairly well. I've done embedded on wyse and beagle*..so I'll figure this out in 2-3 days.
[7:32] <frustro> prpplague, but thanks for the encouragement.
[7:33] <prpplague> :)
[7:33] <frustro> like I said, just saying hi as I figure it out.
[7:33] <frustro> I have alot to read about for this hardware.
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[7:34] <frustro> gnight for now.
[7:34] <frustro> but some of what I said is probably ignorant because I dont know X.....give me a few days...I promise :)
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[7:35] * frustro says the guy with an hd2 running cm10 jellybean
[7:35] <prpplague> frustro: feel free to ping for questions
[7:35] <frustro> thank you! I will!
[7:36] <GriffenJBS> hd2?
[7:36] <GriffenJBS> I assume droid 2? what's h?
[7:37] <GriffenJBS> HTC HD2 nvm
[7:37] <prpplague> htc hd2
[7:37] <frustro> htc hd2, orig winmo 6.5
[7:37] <frustro> runs more os than any other device
[7:37] <prpplague> hehe
[7:37] <GriffenJBS> "more os"?
[7:37] <GriffenJBS> sounds like ms or apple hype
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[7:38] <frustro> GriffenJBS, is in a mood I assume? pick on the newb?
[7:38] <GriffenJBS> no I'm always this charming
[7:38] <GriffenJBS> seriously, it sounds like a broad marketing comment
[7:38] <Syliss> lol, no it can run more than 5 oses
[7:38] <GriffenJBS> I don't understand what it means
[7:39] <frustro> it runs 9 os's
[7:39] <GriffenJBS> Syliss: seriously? that's rather impressive, it's like 2 years old right?
[7:39] <frustro> 2.5 yes
[7:39] <Syliss> yep
[7:39] <GriffenJBS> frustro: nice phone .. err PC that makes calls
[7:39] * frustro wonders if he just got cred
[7:40] <three14> Anyone here have a Nexus 7?
[7:40] <frustro> I know what I know, and ask what I dont, so please dont ,make fun of me.
[7:40] <Syliss> have you run ubuntu on it frustro ?
[7:40] <frustro> I have ran BT5 in a VM on it.
[7:40] <GriffenJBS> I'm owed a Nexus 7
[7:40] <three14> Owed?
[7:40] <GriffenJBS> frustro: I'm not making fun of you
[7:41] <frustro> I'm ordering the nexus gsm on the 6th.
[7:41] <GriffenJBS> yeah, guy owes me $200, offered to buy me that instead, that was almost a month ago
[7:41] <frustro> I'm up for a t-mo upgrade, but I dont want any of their phones.
[7:41] <frustro> buddy xIndirect has a nexus 7
[7:42] <frustro> in #nook-tablet
[7:42] <frustro> aight, bbl.
[7:42] <frustro> I'll let you all know my fails, I'm 11pm to 6am -7gmt
[7:42] <Syliss> i only have an iPhone 4s
[7:42] <frustro> muah!
[7:43] <three14> I was just wondering if anyone here had one and if they had any defects. I was lucky and didn't get one with screen separation issues, but I DO have backlight flicker when brightness is under 20% and wifi is on. And I have a single red stuck pixel.
[7:43] <three14> Ended up calling support for RMA.
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[7:44] <three14> Great tablet, though.
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[7:44] <factoid> I'm having trouble running the videocore hello examples.
[7:45] <factoid> hello_triangle is asserting state->surfac != (EGLSurface)0 on line 174
[7:46] <factoid> I've tried running the application via sudo, and from an xterm. Only the xoverlay example has worked for me. Any ideas?
[7:46] <Xark> factoid: Try running them outside of X.
[7:46] <factoid> been tried Xark
[7:46] <factoid> tried it first, then tried them from an xterm.
[7:46] <Xark> factoid: OK, what is your CPU/GPU memory split? Perhaps this example needs more GPU ram?
[7:47] <Xark> factoid: For sure, you want to run them from the "text" console (outside of X).
[7:47] <factoid> ok, I'll run the reconfigure tool for the mem split. I know it's got the minimum GPU memory right now.
[7:47] <Xark> factoid: They might run inside of X, but it will just waste memory. :)
[7:47] <GriffenJBS> factoid: your using the 240/16 split?
[7:48] <factoid> I think so, I just switched it to 128/128, rebooting now.
[7:49] <three14> 192/64 should suffice.
[7:49] <GriffenJBS> the 224/32 split works from console
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[7:49] <factoid> I'm running raspbian, might have been the 224/32 split.
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[7:49] <GriffenJBS> factoid: as am I
[7:49] <factoid> that did it.
[7:50] <factoid> pretty... :) Feel dumb now, but thanks!
[7:50] <Xark> factoid: Great. :)
[7:51] <factoid> Is there a wiki I could add that nugget to? "If your example is dying on assert 'x', you probably have your memory split incorrectly configured"?
[7:51] <GriffenJBS> it would be awesome if vram could be allocated as needed, and released, but I don't know enough about the hardware to know if that's ever possible
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[7:52] <GriffenJBS> it's currently set at compile time for the bootloader
[7:52] <Xark> GriffenJBS: I think it is not possible with a close source GPU driver. :)
[7:52] <Xark> closed*
[7:52] <GriffenJBS> Xark: that just makes it harder, not impossible, there is work on RE the loaded
[7:53] <GriffenJBS> *loader
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[7:53] <cmug> Can anybody recommend a psu that would supply me 12v@10A ? Like, a PSU I could find at the office/house easily
[7:54] <TheFarfar> is there anyone running netperf on raspbian? I tried compiling from source but only localhost tests are available
[7:54] <three14> ATX power supply? My house is peppered with them.
[7:54] <three14> Easy to find
[7:55] <TheFarfar> cmug: ATX PSU or laptop adapter
[7:55] <Xark> GriffenJBS: The issue is the driver and OS would need to closely cooperate with the MMU. GPU (most likely) can't see the mapping of the ARM. With clever software and cooperation between the OS and GPU a more dynamic balance could perhaps be made, but seems non trivial (and certainly much harder with proprietary GPU design).
[7:55] * GriffenJBS closes his mouth about ATX power supplies
[7:55] <cmug> TheFarfar: all the laptop adapters seem to give me 14V+, but yeah an ATX PSU would maybe do the trick?
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[7:56] <factoid> ATX has a 12V rail, might need to bundle the rails together to pull 10A.
[7:56] <TheFarfar> cmug: that's probably your best bet, most have ~10A+ on 12V
[7:56] <GriffenJBS> Xark: that all seems correct, if it were limited by hardware then maybe impossible
[7:56] <prpplague> cmug: uh what do you need 10A for?
[7:56] <factoid> The PSU should have the max current ratings on a sticker.
[7:56] <cmug> thanks guys
[7:56] <factoid> SCIENCE! obviously.
[7:56] <cmug> prpplague: I have this tunnel blower that does not even spin up with 5A
[7:56] <GriffenJBS> more POWER!! and cowbell
[7:57] <TheFarfar> cmug: what's it rated at?
[7:57] <cmug> 10A
[7:57] <prpplague> cmug: at 12V?
[7:57] <TheFarfar> that's alot =3
[7:57] <cmug> well, seller said 4.5A at 12V, but the sticker on the thing says 10A
[7:57] <GriffenJBS> can you get it spinning and then add the power? running current is usually a lot lower than inrush
[7:58] <cmug> and since it didn't spin up with 5A, I either gave it DC instead of AC or it wasn't enough
[7:58] <prpplague> cmug: i'd suggest a transformer with rectifier, that doesn't require a regulated source per se
[7:58] <cmug> GriffenJBS: apparently not
[7:58] <cmug> prpplague: so where do I get one of those
[7:58] <Syliss> or its broken?
[7:58] <factoid> Next question, is there a group tackling accelerated X? I'd like to help any effort along those lines.
[7:58] <prpplague> cmug: got a datasheet on this thing?
[7:58] <cmug> Syliss: it moved but did not start spinning
[7:58] <cmug> prpplague: hmm, lets see
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[7:59] <GriffenJBS> factoid: yes there is, but I know little about it
[7:59] <cmug> maybe I had a short somewhere..
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[7:59] <TheFarfar> has anyone of you compiled netperf from source on the rbp and gotten it to work?
[7:59] <cmug> http://kauppa.motonet.fi/web/guest/etusivu#productid=38-6445 thats the item
[8:00] <factoid> cmug: if you're the raw parts kind of guy, you could order a 10A 120->12V step down transformer, full wave rectifier, and a 16V 2200uf cap... but that won't be as cheap as hacking a PSU.
[8:00] <factoid> not sure what the transformer would run, but the the other two parts should total < $5.
[8:00] <cmug> factoid: i'm more of a outofthebox guy :D
[8:01] <prpplague> cmug: interesting
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[8:01] <factoid> also, is it an AC motor or DC?
[8:01] <cmug> http://tmcin.com/browseproducts/TMC-03705-12V-In-line-Blower-4-inch--Colors-may-vary.HTML
[8:01] <cmug> factoid: seems to be DC, I might have given AC
[8:02] <MycoRunner> 12V is usually DC
[8:02] <cmug> I think I was using DC though
[8:02] <factoid> What was your original source?
[8:02] <cmug> just a sec
[8:02] <factoid> the PSU will definately be DC.
[8:03] <factoid> definitely even...
[8:03] <prpplague> if you needed 10A to get it moving with DC, that would be logical to assume that it was 12V AC
[8:03] <prpplague> sorry i said that backwards
[8:04] <factoid> Also, currents listed on a supply are max, not always... it'll depend on the load.
[8:04] <factoid> so if you had a 5A 12VDC supply, you should get "something"
[8:04] <prpplague> agreed
[8:05] <cmug> factoid: it kept trying to spin up with that
[8:05] <factoid> But no movement at all, just stuttered?
[8:05] <cmug> I cant find the datasheet, but it was one of those PSU's that you use at the house to power a car fridge
[8:05] <cmug> rated at 5A
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[8:05] <cmug> it moved 2cm, paused, moved, paused, moved
[8:06] <cmug> and the led on the psu went dark, so I assumed it was out of juice
[8:06] <cmug> or I shorted it somehow
[8:07] <factoid> Well, if the fan will pull 10A, and the PSU only supplies 5, it's possible it either burned out a component, or a thermal protection circuit kicked in.
[8:07] <cmug> yeah it didn't break it
[8:08] <factoid> The stuttering is weird though.
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[8:08] <factoid> I would have expected the fan to just pull all it could get, and spin at a reduced RPM.
[8:08] <cmug> even the blower web site says 4.5A though
[8:09] <cmug> factoid: thats what I though it would do too, but then I assumed that it doesn't get enough to spin up
[8:09] <cmug> but must be something else wrong, I'll need to check in the evening - perhaps I was giving it AC
[8:09] <factoid> That's my guess.
[8:09] <cmug> (do car fridges usually get AC?)
[8:09] <factoid> That can depend...
[8:10] <factoid> the output from the lighter is 12VDC.
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[8:10] <three14> Do car fridges have built in inverters?
[8:10] <factoid> but I have a coke fridge that takes mains power, or 12VDC n.
[8:10] <cmug> http://www.biltema.fi/Documents/manualer/38/38-116_man.pdf thats the PSU I was using
[8:10] <factoid> The fridge might be AC, and the PSU for it is actually an inverter.
[8:11] <factoid> And.... none of those are languages I speak. :)
[8:11] <three14> So 120cfm blower, car fridge... what in count chocula's name are you doing?!
[8:12] <TheFarfar> the fridge is usually built with peltier and requires 12V DC (usually)
[8:12] <cmug> three14: no the car fridge is not in the mix, just a psu for a car fridge
[8:12] <three14> Haha, OK, just wondering.
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[8:12] <cmug> factoid: yeah it did nto seem to say if its outputting AC or DC
[8:12] <TheFarfar> I'd say the car fridge PSU is low quality
[8:12] <cmug> three14: the actual project is a painting box
[8:13] <factoid> It lists an IC regulator, so I'm going to assume it's DC output.
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[8:13] <cmug> true
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[8:13] <cmug> so I should return it
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[8:13] <factoid> If it was a mains to 12VAC, that'd just be a transformer.
[8:13] <factoid> Are you in finland? Do you guys use 120VAC mains, or is it 220?
[8:13] <cmug> its from mains
[8:14] <cmug> 220
[8:14] <cmug> I only know the US having 120
[8:14] <cmug> http://www.biltema.fi/ProductImages/38/large/38-116_l.jpg maybe that gives you an idea what it is
[8:15] <TheFarfar> Liberia is also 120
[8:15] <three14> Doesn't Japan also use 120?
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[8:15] <TheFarfar> I think japan is 100VAC
[8:15] <cmug> Never been to Liberia, been to Japan once but didn't blow anything
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[8:15] <cmug> guess my laptop works with any voltage I give it
[8:16] <three14> cmug, that's gonna make a great quote
[8:16] <cmug> hehe
[8:16] <cmug> blowing stuff in JPY one?
[8:16] <three14> Yes, haha
[8:16] <cmug> Well, off topic but maybe I did :P
[8:16] <TheFarfar> cmug: I wouldnt trust any Biltema stuff so go ahead and try an ATX PSU instead
[8:16] <cmug> or was blowed, or anyway
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[8:17] <cmug> TheFarfar: roger, should be easy to score one of those
[8:17] <TheFarfar> OT: most laptop adapters have 100-240VAC input
[8:17] <factoid> it's 120 in Canada too
[8:17] <factoid> <--- Canadian
[8:17] <TheFarfar> figures :P
[8:18] <factoid> so, here's an idea... got a car battery kicking around?
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[8:18] <factoid> That'll get you your 12VDC @ 10A easy.
[8:18] <cmug> factoid: i had the same idea, would need to buy one
[8:18] <cmug> factoid: i have a charger
[8:18] <factoid> That'll do too most likely.
[8:18] <cmug> yep
[8:18] <cmug> but thats 30???+
[8:19] <TheFarfar> the charger will perhaps give you 13-14V DC, don't think it matters though
[8:19] <factoid> Overvoltaging the motor by a volt or two might not hurt it.
[8:19] <three14> If you're going to plunk down money for a lead acid battery, get a deep cycle. More expensive but worth it.
[8:19] <cmug> its sporadic use anyway, if I had a battery and kept it charged it should survive my painting sessions
[8:19] <ka6sox> on Mars its 30VDC
[8:20] <cmug> but no, i'd rather get a working psu that I can just unplug when not in use
[8:20] <factoid> You could string together 10 NiMH batteries...
[8:20] <cmug> lol
[8:20] <factoid> just need some duct tape and some rubber bands. :)
[8:21] <three14> And paperclips
[8:21] <cmug> let me look into my storage if I have a atx psu lying around waiting for me
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[8:23] * three14 is picturing a PSU in storage, peeking its fan above some boxes with the caption 'Soon'
[8:24] <factoid> lol
[8:25] <factoid> I asked this before, but I thought I'd ask again... anyone able to point me in the direction of people working on DRI2 support on the pi?
[8:25] <factoid> I want to help, I just can't seem to find anything forum wise on it.
[8:25] <factoid> Aside from that "Simon's" thread...
[8:26] <factoid> but I think he's just trying to get DMA copying working properly, not trying to take advantage of GPU accelerated 2D.
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[8:29] <cmug> There we go, one ATX PSU scored
[8:29] <three14> '...Eben, Eben, Eben, Eeeebeeen. I'm begging of you please don't take my Pi..'
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[8:29] <cmug> Had to kill a workstation to get it, but meh. my personal projects are more important than company stuff
[8:29] <TheFarfar> cmug: perfect ^^
[8:30] <cmug> 18A@12V
[8:30] <TheFarfar> that would do the job
[8:30] <three14> That'll do
[8:30] <cmug> for sure, if it only really needs 4.5
[8:30] <factoid> how many rails are 12V?
[8:31] <factoid> that 18A might be across all rails.
[8:31] <factoid> So you might have to bundle them to get the power you need.
[8:31] <cmug> it says 12V-A@18A and 12V-B@18A
[8:31] <TheFarfar> all my PSUs have had a separate rating per rail
[8:31] <cmug> -12V 1A
[8:31] <factoid> Yeah, don't use the -VDC rails, obviously.
[8:32] <cmug> factoid: well if one rail gives me 9A I should still be covered
[8:32] <factoid> Unless you've got something that needs 24VDC @ < 1A
[8:32] <cmug> factoid: no, won't be doing that
[8:32] <factoid> Sounds like you should be good... ATX FTW...
[8:32] <factoid> I've got a spare one I've got slated to convert into a poor-man's bench supply.
[8:32] <three14> They make great bench supplies too.
[8:32] <cmug> so the yellow cable at pin 10 is what I want
[8:33] <cmug> i need a bench supply too
[8:33] <factoid> World's greatest commodity switched mode regulator!
[8:33] <three14> Sacrifice another workstation
[8:33] <cmug> oh ffuu dell and their non-standard cable colors
[8:33] <TheFarfar> yellow? isn't it usually green?
[8:34] <cmug> three14: will do
[8:34] <cmug> TheFarfar: hmm might be, i got yellow from a russian webpage
[8:34] <factoid> Only thing for me, bench wise, is that it'd be nice to be able to get a current limiter into the design.
[8:34] <three14> To power it on? Years usually green needs to be grounded, iirc.
[8:34] <cmug> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX#Issues_with_Dell_power_supplies hah!
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[8:34] <three14> Yea*
[8:35] <cmug> still says yellow
[8:35] <cmug> i'll just measure it
[8:35] <factoid> Oh... also, you might need to put a load across a 5VDC rail to get the PSU to enage.
[8:35] <cmug> factoid: yeah I was pondering about that. How would I achieve that easiest?
[8:36] <three14> Would a small fan do?
[8:36] <factoid> Resistor, if you've got one.
[8:36] <factoid> Small fan would work.
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[8:36] <TheFarfar> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-power-up-an-ATX-Power-Supply-without-a-PC/
[8:36] <cmug> I only got like 110_o_ resistors
[8:36] <cmug> thanks
[8:36] <TheFarfar> the location of the cable is the same
[8:36] <three14> Scumbag Dell
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[8:37] <cmug> the green cable matches mine
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[8:37] <factoid> power is V^2/R
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[8:38] <factoid> so 25/110 = 0.22..
[8:38] <factoid> If your 110 ohm is a 1/4W or better, you should be good.
[8:38] <factoid> Most are...
[8:39] <cmug> ok
[8:39] <cmug> thanks guys
[8:39] <factoid> You can always put two in series if you're worried.
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[8:39] <factoid> That'll drop the power dissipation to 0.11 W
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[8:46] <yehnan> hi, this is a USB Micro B plug https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35616101/USB%20micro%20b%20plug.jpg , would you please tell me which pins are VBUS(5+), GND, D-, D+, ID? thanks.
[8:46] <three14> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&q=micro+usb+pinout
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[8:47] <yehnan> three14: still can't figure it out.
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[8:51] <three14> Can you plug it into a female connector and then use to test for continuity. For example, you know which pins are which on the Pi I assume.
[8:51] <three14> A multimeter*
[8:52] <cul> yehnan: https://www.dropbox.com/s/igsve5ajc4wyikw/2012-08-02%2008.47.56.png
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[8:53] <three14> Electrodroid ftw.
[8:53] <cul> yep
[8:53] <yehnan> cul: do you see the picture I posted? I'm not talking about the facing side of plug. My question is about the other side of the plug.
[8:53] <TheFarfar> do you have a datasheet for the plug?
[8:53] <aec> what picture, can you post it again?
[8:54] <TheFarfar> could be anyones guess
[8:54] <yehnan> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35616101/USB%20micro%20b%20plug.jpg
[8:54] <aec> yenhan: thanks
[8:54] <yehnan> TheFarfar: no.
[8:54] <factoid> yeah, either need a part number, datasheet, or you could use a meter to trace the pins.
[8:54] <booyaa> morning
[8:54] <three14> Just plug it into the pi and probe known pins for continuity until you identify them.
[8:56] <yehnan> I see. I have a multimeter. But don't exactly know how to identify which pins are which.
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[8:56] <aec> yehnan: you could switch it to diode mode ( one that beeps when you touch two ends together )
[8:57] <factoid> unless your probes are small enough to touch the pins inside the connector, you'll have to plug it into a recepticle where you know which pin is which, and then map them.
[8:57] <aec> yehnan: and then you could just try the pins on each end until you can find a 1-1 matching
[8:58] <three14> Switch to this setting on the MM: http://www.ladyada.net/images/metertutorial/conticon1.jpg
[8:58] <factoid> some stiff high guage wire might let you extend one of the probes if you've got steady hands.
[8:58] <three14> Then plug the connector into the pi, hold one probe on the 5v line, and then touch the pins on the connector until it beeps or whatever your mm does.
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[8:59] <three14> Repeat that for the rest of the pins to identify them
[8:59] <yehnan> Ok, finally, I got it. thanks. :D
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[9:04] <cfy> hi does some use bcm2835 to drive gpio?
[9:04] <cfy> the blink.c in the example don't work
[9:05] <cfy> but i can blink the led using http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#GPIO_Driving_Example_.28C.29
[9:08] <three14> *sigh*, the sou d of breaking glass downstairs can't be good.
[9:08] <three14> Withee
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[9:10] <prpplague> cfy: wow that is cute.....
[9:10] <cfy> prpplague: i don't understand
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[9:10] <cfy> prpplague: are you successed to use bcm2835 lib?
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[9:11] <prpplague> cfy: sorry i was referring to the led blink code...... old joke sorry
[9:11] <cfy> prpplague: do i need modify the examples/blink/blink.c ?
[9:12] <cfy> prpplague: sorry,my english is not good :(
[9:12] <prpplague> cfy: no worries
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[9:13] <sunkan> cfy: I got it to work.. I was confused by thet fact that the bcm2835 library referred to the actual PIN number not the GPIO number so I was blinking the wrong GPIO when I tested it first.
[9:13] <cfy> prpplague: okay,i can use that now
[9:13] <cfy> sunkan: yeah, i'm confused too
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[9:13] <cfy> sunkan: i just adjust the number,and it works!
[9:14] <sunkan> cfy: Great
[9:14] <cfy> sunkan: prpplague: thanks for your help :)
[9:14] <prpplague> cfy: hehe i did not help, just commented
[9:15] <cfy> prpplague: :D
[9:15] <sunkan> cfy: No problem
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[9:18] <cfy> sunkan: i know.look at the http://elinux.org/File:GPIOs.png
[9:18] <cfy> sunkan: it's the P1 n not GPIO n
[9:19] <yehnan> hi, now I figure out what A B C D E pins mean in the picture https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35616101/USB%20micro%20b%20plug.jpg . But what about F G? Those two are connecting the whole iron part.
[9:19] <factoid> That's probably just solder points for physically attaching.
[9:19] <factoid> Can probably be safely connected to ground if you want as well.
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[9:20] <arcsky> hello where can I order a PI ?
[9:20] <yehnan> factoid: great. That's what I 'm thinking. Thanks.
[9:21] <factoid> arcsky I bought my through newark element14
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[9:21] <factoid> there's a 2nd supplier, I think the information is on raspberrypi.org
[9:21] <taipres> If Microsoft were to make a version for raspberry pi would you run it?
[9:21] <three14> RS as well.
[9:22] <factoid> ^^^ that...
[9:22] <yehnan> arcsky: check this out. http://elinux.org/RPi_Buying_Links_By_Country
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[9:22] <three14> taipres, only if it didn't use Metro.
[9:22] <trijntje> I would try it :P. But windows doesnt even run well on my main pc :P
[9:22] <taipres> lol
[9:23] <factoid> taipres: in my case, no. I think Android would be as closed as I'd get.
[9:23] <taipres> looks like win8 is ready, they already delievering to OEM's, will be out october
[9:23] <taipres> 26th
[9:23] <factoid> I'm curious to try out the ICS build when it's ready.
[9:23] <taipres> isn't android open?
[9:23] <factoid> yes and no.
[9:23] <taipres> what's not open
[9:23] <three14> What build did they settle on for rtm? 9200 or something?
[9:24] <factoid> It's not as open as linux, iirc. Some aspects of the stack are closed. I may be way off base though.
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[9:24] <factoid> But large sections of the stack are closed to us anyway.
[9:25] <factoid> just due to the videocore stuff.
[9:25] <three14> factoid, waiting for the ICS build as well, but I personally think JB would be faster.
[9:25] <taipres> so they ship part source part pre-compiled?
[9:25] <yehnan> factoid: I tried CyanogenMOD 9 image, Android 4.0 (ICS)http://www.4shared.com/archive/m_eBBrh_/android_sd_2tar.html but can't successfully boot.
[9:25] <factoid> But since I bought the RPI as a tinkerer's toy and for something for my kids to learn with.
[9:26] <three14> yehnan, those builds don't have video acceleration, just frame buffer so they're unusable Anyway
[9:26] <factoid> taipres, there's a large firmware blob on the pi that's closed.
[9:26] <yehnan> three14: then where are the usable image? :P
[9:26] <factoid> And in the /opt/vc/lib folder, all those libraries are closed as well.
[9:27] <three14> yehnan, not out yet. Eben posted a comment on the raspberry pi site as to why.
[9:27] <yehnan> three14: I saw that.
[9:27] <three14> In a nutshell they want to wait until it does the RPI justice. Doesn't have any audio at the moment.
[9:28] <factoid> They drive most of the hardware accelerated functions. But the RPI foundation seems to have a least a handful of people with access to broadcom's specs, so we're not dependant upon broadcom itself for updates.
[9:28] <factoid> I know Eben's an broadcom employee, there must be a few others...
[9:28] <three14> Is Dom?
[9:29] <yehnan> three14: does this CyanogenMOD 7.2 image, Android 2.3 (Gingerbread) use video acceleration? https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B2qw32upVDnkT0JXNkoyY1hSOUU
[9:29] <three14> No
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[9:30] <factoid> night everyone...
[9:30] <phire> I don't know why the libs in /opt/vc/lib are closed source
[9:30] <taipres> there's a "x86 emulator available for the raspi" ?
[9:30] <phire> Most of the work is done in the firmware blob
[9:31] <three14> To my knowledge, the only build of android with vide acceleration is the yet-to-be-released official image.
[9:31] <factoid> phire, because they contain implementation details about the blob, I would assume.
[9:31] <phire> so the userspace libraries must be doing nothing
[9:32] <factoid> Or they contain other nuggets of information that would be trade secrets to broadcom.
[9:32] <phire> for example, the shader compiler runs on the videocore
[9:32] <three14> Now I want chicken nuggets.
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[9:33] <phire> I think it just implements a message passing interface
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[9:34] <aec> is there any news on the 8000 interrupts/second deal?
[9:35] <three14> I forgot about that. I'd also like to know.
[9:36] <phire> the 8000 interrupts/second is the number of start of frame markers on the usb bus
[9:36] <phire> in case you hadn't caught up with that part
[9:36] <phire> but I don't think there has been any progress
[9:37] <phire> certainly not in any of the irc channels.
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[9:40] <aec> Well there was a post on reddit that linked to a forum thread
[9:41] <aec> and the last post on the forum thread mentioned a guy who nearly completed writing an interrupt service routine
[9:41] <aec> or FIQ, whatever you want to call it
[9:41] <aec> but that also said june 10th
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[9:56] <GabrialDestruir> You know, I find it funny how practically every video I've seen regarding a power source says "Absolutely do not power from your PC!"
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[9:58] <GabrialDestruir> Hah... apparently someone lied to Tekzilla, claiming that the CPU is equivalent to the Xbox
[9:59] <Gadget-Work> Anyone able to weigh a RPi for me ?
[9:59] <GabrialDestruir> Extremely light? >.>
[9:59] <Gadget-Work> In grams please ;)
[9:59] <nid0> some
[10:00] <nid0> I suspect my non-digital kitchen scales wont be up to the task
[10:01] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose I could go see if I have a digital scale, but then I'd have to unplug it, and remove it from it's lego case (which makes it fairly heavy)
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[10:03] <Gadget-Work> GabrialDestruir, it's not urgent really was a case if someone could it would help alot
[10:04] <reider59> It weighs 45g
[10:04] <GabrialDestruir> huh
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[10:05] <Gadget-Work> reider59, thanks
[10:05] <reider59> YW....Ref....http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
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[10:07] <aec> and back
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[10:11] <GabrialDestruir> The way these videos make it sound like you need absolutely 700mA for Model B is kind of misleading =\
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[10:12] <taipres> any of you soldering things before?
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[10:12] <reider59> I've just started soldering again after a long spell without
[10:12] <aec> taipres: yes?
[10:12] <aec> taipres: I solder things together everyday, what's up?
[10:13] <taipres> I never done it, wanted to with robotics, too much of an expensive hobby before
[10:13] <taipres> aec steep learning curve or easy to pick up?
[10:13] <aec> it's super easy
[10:13] <reider59> My breakout board had about 50 small solder points, one of my LCD Modules had 16 then associated wiring too
[10:13] <taipres> also where'd your stuff at, self taught with books or what?
[10:13] <taipres> learn
[10:13] <aec> you don't need to read a book to learn it
[10:14] <TheFarfar> temperature controlled soldering iron is preferred
[10:14] <reider59> just practice on bits and pieces that don't matter too much, solder wires, join them. For LCD work headers are best
[10:14] <aec> I don't know where to address you to buy the equipment, so I'll skip that
[10:14] <aec> and yeah, start with pieces of cables
[10:14] <aec> all you do is, apply some solder on one cable
[10:14] <reider59> Small iron, little solder to begin with, tin all wires first
[10:14] <aec> then apply some to the other
[10:15] <taipres> I take it if something cut one of your computer wires, you guys could fix it?
[10:15] <booyaa> taipres: http://mightyohm.com/blog/2011/04/soldering-is-easy-comic-book/
[10:15] <TheFarfar> heat both parts that are to be soldered together, apply solder, done
[10:15] <aec> then hold the two soldered ends together and heat with your soldering iron until you see one of the ends melt
[10:16] <reider59> I'm lead to believe a solder pen is good, might not be the name. Apply it then solder so he join doesn't spread to other parts. also a solder removal tool
[10:16] <taipres> sounds like fun :D
[10:16] <aec> I meant the soldering pen, yeah
[10:16] <TheFarfar> i dont' know if it's the correct english term but solder braid is good to have
[10:17] <TheFarfar> to remove solder
[10:17] <aec> some sort of crambled up wire, like a sponge of wire
[10:17] <aec> yeah
[10:17] <aec> to clean your pen
[10:17] <reider59> yes, a cut wire can have both ends spliced and a joining wire put in after tinning to strengthen. then insulate with either a heat shrink tube or insulation tape. Make sure no different coloured wires short on each other too.
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[10:18] <reider59> Some people just put in a wire with bullet connectors or similar
[10:18] <techsurvivor> put the head shrink tube on the wires ahead of time and then slide down over ;)
[10:18] <reider59> good fun
[10:18] <TheFarfar> soldering is fun ;)
[10:18] <TheFarfar> as long as it's not SMD, I don't like SMD
[10:19] <techsurvivor> tin all your wires, and smd is easy
[10:19] <techsurvivor> make your own boards ;)
[10:19] <techsurvivor> 0603 and up are pretty easy to solder if you use flux
[10:19] <TheFarfar> SMD isn't that easy if you don't have the equipment for it imo
[10:19] <techsurvivor> if you don't you'll tombstone
[10:20] <aec> what does smd stand for? I don't know those terms in english
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[10:20] <TheFarfar> surface mount
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[10:20] <techsurvivor> surface mount device
[10:20] <reider59> I always find, for me anyway, it's better to get your arm at an angle and rest the elbow to stop the hand shaking. I also use a magnifying glass with two crocodile clips (alligator), that's a helping hand. then I have a suction cup vice that really really grips well on virtually any surface.
[10:20] <aec> techsurvivor: i see, thx
[10:20] <techsurvivor> it's basically not throughole
[10:20] <jaxdahl> reider59, got a link to that vise?
[10:20] <jaxdahl> i am in need of something to hold stuff while i solder
[10:21] <reider59> hang on, see if I can find one, I'll get the exact make
[10:21] <aec> jaxdahl: that's the one reider mentions
[10:21] <jaxdahl> i finished a 1"x1" protoboard today it looks awful
[10:21] <jaxdahl> but it works
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[10:21] <jaxdahl> 2x 8 pin DIPs, 4 resistors, some headers
[10:21] <jaxdahl> it was a tight fit
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[10:22] <techsurvivor> helping hand and vise i pretty necessary, a good table mounted magnifier is good too, and yeah a temperature controlled soldering iron is handy. it can be pretty hard to solder smd with a typical $9 radioshack iron
[10:22] <reider59> Start here but look around for a cheaper price http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=suction+vice&tag=googhydr-21&index=aps&hvadid=12831774973&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5587881031848910999&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&ref=pd_sl_1nb4bma0bi_b
[10:22] <jaxdahl> and i used breadboard wire since i didn't have any good wire for soldering
[10:22] <jaxdahl> awful stuff to work with
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[10:22] <reider59> here you go http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/sis.html?_nkw=WORKZONE%20SUCTION%20VICE%20E%20&_itemId=320733955660
[10:22] <reider59> ?14.99
[10:22] <techsurvivor> i buy the solid copper telephone wire, it's pretty good to mess around with and not too expensive
[10:22] <reider59> It easilly pays for itself
[10:23] <arcsky> why does it takes 17 weeks to get a PI?
[10:23] <arcsky> if i buy one today
[10:23] <TheFarfar> I once soldered a FD232RL with a soldering pen, hardest thing I've soldered ever with my parkinsons hands
[10:23] <arcsky> insane
[10:23] <reider59> Helping Hands are ?3.33 http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000O3RJFC/?tag=hydra0b-21&hvadid=9556681509&ref=asc_df_B000O3RJFC
[10:24] <reider59> free UK delivery
[10:24] <techsurvivor> there are good videos on youtube for soldering, you can learn a lot from that.
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[10:25] <reider59> I'd also say as you build up your equipment get in spare solder tips and solder, you never know when you'll need them to finish that all important project after the shops shut
[10:25] <reider59> << must heed that advice, some solder ran out, luckilly I found spare
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[10:26] <reider59> In the UK watch Lidl because they often have helping hands and suction vices for sale dead cheap, as do Aldi
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[10:27] <jaxdahl> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/57911139/protoboard.jpg look at that awful handiwork
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[10:29] <nid0> stylish
[10:29] <TheFarfar> not all that bad
[10:30] <techsurvivor> it's not about the way it looks, it's about if it's hooked up right, and the solder joints look fine :)
[10:31] <reider59> I find with the Protoboard that if you make a small mistake, sometimes it's more effective to blank off some tracks and isolate that section then solder in a shunt wire rather than desolder. I guess it's good to make effective use of the tracks but do remember you can manipulate them for your own uses. I needed to add a screw fit and did't want it shorting the other components, space was at a premium because I'd
[10:31] <reider59> already joined 2 small boards. So I isolated that component on the track, it only had a single wire to feed pin 3 of an LCD for contrast anyway. The other 2 pins were 5V and GND.
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[10:31] <Mr_Sheesh> The sensors don't look all that perfectly pushed down onto the board tho
[10:31] <techsurvivor> my senior microcontrollers project looked like a rats nest, but we could clock it faster than any other design in the class because there was a lot less crosstalk than the people who laid out their wires perfectly side by side ;)
[10:31] <reider59> I also put some sponge under my breakout board
[10:32] <reider59> used an elastic band to hold it in place
[10:33] <reider59> meter testing is VERY important. Test for a power flow but test every conceivable way it could short too. Especially home made ribbon cables and connectors
[10:34] <techsurvivor> hah and always check power rail to ground, always :)
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[10:35] <techsurvivor> a lot of chips will survive a bad connection, not many will survive power to ground shorts :)
[10:35] <aec> say, guys. I am going to build a few basic components to use with rpi; like motors to turn blinds on off, relay circuits to turn a heater on/off, an audio speaker selector etc. I was initially planning to make each one of those usb devices, but considering the current issues with usb driver ( polling 8000 times), will it consume too much cpu? Should I use gpio pins instead?
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[10:36] <techsurvivor> 8000 times a second on usb is the limit no matter what the hardware, at least in usb 1 and 2
[10:36] <reider59> too easy to cross them over, especially how close they are and if you get side tracked and lose concentration for a few seconds it's costly. I check, recheck and check again. But the ribbon cables and connectors I made are making life a far lot easier now.
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[10:38] <aec> techsurvivor: so the modern design of a usb driver is to poll repeatedly?
[10:38] <aec> techsurvivor: I thought they implemented interrputs
[10:38] <techsurvivor> they poll for interrupts (the host, aka the pi)
[10:39] <techsurvivor> and for other things, here is a nice little starter with gotchas if interested http://uk.farnell.com/images/en/ede/pdf/usb_dev_mistake.pdf
[10:39] <arc_mat> what about bit-banging usb on the gpio? maybe with dma?
[10:39] <techsurvivor> you can't bit bang usb
[10:40] <techsurvivor> you need to use the usb host controller capabilities
[10:40] <techsurvivor> libusb is probably what you would want to look at
[10:40] <reider59> I have a ribbon cable with a 26 pin connector bot ends. Another has the connector one end and the other end I pared the wires and soldered on pins then insulated them. the pins are colour coded same as the Pi GPIO diagram. a pain to produce but pays dividends in use. One of my LCD Modules I got a 34 pin connector and ribbon cable, meter tested and blanked off all but 16 wires I needed. Again, a little extra h
[10:40] <reider59> elp where needed and it's so easy to disconnect the LCD and reconnect as and when needed.
[10:40] <techsurvivor> it's a nice wrapper library, i haven't used it on pi, but I have used it elsewhere
[10:40] <reider59> *both ends
[10:40] <techsurvivor> it uses the kernel usb driver, and makes it a -lot- easier to use
[10:40] <techsurvivor> (libusb)
[10:41] <techsurvivor> and of course read the wikipedia article, it's a nice summary to let you know what you're getting yourself into
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[10:44] <reider59> Don't be arfaid to cheat occasionally. My other 16 x 2 LCD module is an Arduino LCD shield. so no wiring, just press it on to the Arduino and plug in the USB lead. Got 6 buttons on it to use and built in contrast control, all for ?12.50 but I already had the Arduino. After a simple mod it now works with my Windows PC too and LCD Smartie. The sample program needed adjusting to make it work.
[10:45] <reider59> a print command needed change to write. That was the difference between scrolling numbers on both lines and the correct display.
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[10:46] <Aleksander> Hello :)
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[10:47] <Aleksander> Do you happen to know why Element 14 shop lists Raspberry Pi as "availavle in 3 weeks" and RS Components makes it 14 weeks?
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[10:48] <nid0> shorter queue/building them faster/optimism/pessimism/lying
[10:48] <nid0> take your pick
[10:48] <DrLuke> go north
[10:48] <reider59> Different companies and lead times. It's rumoured RS are selling more multiples and E14 singles due to an error on the ordering pages
[10:48] <cmug> A guy told me he ordered it on monday, and it was shipped on tuesday
[10:49] <cmug> his raspi that is
[10:49] <reider59> I got a page up the other day that suggested one available for next day delivery, the following day it said a 4 week lead time
[10:49] <techsurvivor> i ordered 2 about a two weeks ago and got them in a week and ahalf
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[10:49] <techsurvivor> from E14
[10:50] <techsurvivor> at the time it said "29 days" lead
[10:50] <techsurvivor> so I don't know what's up with that lead time
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[10:50] <reider59> probably mean up to
[10:50] <Aleksander> so basically you're suggesting E14 as faster?
[10:50] <techsurvivor> i don't know, they were fast for me :)
[10:50] <cmug> Get one from both
[10:50] <reider59> It seems to be always the case that E14 is faster, by a long margin too
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[10:50] <techsurvivor> doesn't mean they will be for you, could have just been that I was lucky
[10:51] <cmug> My delivery from E14 took many, many, many months
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[10:51] <techsurvivor> my first one took about 3 months I believe lol
[10:51] <techsurvivor> that was back in the spring when I ordered
[10:51] <reider59> so did mine but it was ordered when little stock was available
[10:51] <techsurvivor> but that was from newark
[10:51] <techsurvivor> which i think is also E14's owner or supplier
[10:52] <techsurvivor> same here, I knew it was going to be a while
[10:52] <Aleksander> I can buy one for about $50 with shipping and taxes from E14, or from local eBay for $70, and I don't know if $20 is worth the waiting...
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[10:53] <techsurvivor> if you spend $20 going out to dinner without thinking about it, maybe you should, but if not, might be worth the wait :)
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[10:54] <reider59> I often pay a little extra just to avoid a wait and get stuff locally. depends on the difference in price and how much I want it. Only you can decide that.
[10:54] <Aleksander> and E14 doesn't sell RP cases, do they?
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[10:55] <techsurvivor> don't know, i thought I saw one but it hada long leadtime
[10:55] <techsurvivor> mine is just hanging out for the world to see, I need to get some kidn of cases for them
[10:56] <reider59> I got a clear plastic case for ?7.50 already made up and inc postage in the UK. Then got an electronics starter kit from a company that included an excellent sandwich case, breadboard and space to put it on, a few shunt wires etc for about ?14. they may ship abroad, it's SKPang
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[10:57] <techsurvivor> i think adafruit here has some cases in the usa
[10:58] <reider59> Cases are everywhere, I used 2 cardboard cases until mine came
[10:58] <sjaak_trekhaak> I got one from the UK via Amazon
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[11:02] <aec> techsurvivor: I did not understand the part where you said "you poll for interrupts". what does that mean?
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[11:03] <techsurvivor> usb sends out 1000 packets from host to slave device, on usb 2.0 there are 8 slots in there for 8000 times per second, so a usb slave will have a latency of at least 1 ms before it can tell the host "hey I have something for you" via the "polled" interrupt
[11:03] <techsurvivor> does that make more sense?
[11:05] <techsurvivor> well "up to 1ms" i should say. so 125us to 1ms for the interrupt to be recognized, hope that makes sense
[11:05] <aec> a bit more, yeah
[11:05] <techsurvivor> it's just a hard limit bound to the protocol
[11:06] <techsurvivor> usb3.0 does allow slaves to initiate the interrupt though, which is a big improvement, but pi doesn't have usb 3
[11:10] <techsurvivor> oh and you might in theory be able to bit bang out a usb 1.0 (per your earlier comment) because it's only 12Mbps, but you would still have to do voltage level translation for the pi, because USB uses differential pairs to send/receive data
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[11:11] <techsurvivor> still seems unlikely you'd get it to be that responsive though, with all the junk that goes into building up a usb packet. better to let the driver system in linux do that for you via libusb
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[11:12] <techsurvivor> also linux isn't a real time system, so expect the system to go off into the weeds every now and then when planning your hardware/software
[11:12] <Aleksander> do you have any idea why E14 lists my delivery charge as TBA?
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[11:13] <techsurvivor> that's weird, no idea, they probably did it to me, i wanted my pie so bad I didn't care, I believe it was about $5-7 though
[11:13] <Aleksander> basically I'm in Poland, so it's not that far from the UK
[11:13] <reider59> might depend on the exchange rate on the day
[11:13] <techsurvivor> oh, i have no idea heh
[11:13] <techsurvivor> that makes sense, i hope it doesn't add much, don't you have to pay VAT as well ?
[11:14] <Aleksander> afaik not if it's a present, which I'll ask them to write on the box
[11:14] <Aleksander> no law says I can't buy a present for myself :D
[11:15] <techsurvivor> for two rpi's it was 6.36 for shipping, but it seems like they would charge more for overseas.
[11:15] <reider59> same if it's for test and stuff
[11:15] <techsurvivor> $6.36 american which is lik 1 euro or something
[11:15] <techsurvivor> just kidding
[11:16] <reider59> I used to get free LCD modules sent from Spokane in the US to me in the UK. Marked for "Test and Development", which indeed they were for the company that sent them. so no duty paid apart from one they forgot to mark, but I got the duty back from them.
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[11:19] <Aleksander> do you have any idea when RP will be produced in large enough amounts to sell without weeks of waiting for deliveries?
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[11:19] <sam> it's erratic, some people reportedly got theirs within a few days
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[11:20] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, it would appear that we're splitting at the seams today -- we're investigating and hopefully we'll manage to duct tape stuff back together (and locate the missing services!) -- apologies for the inconvenience, etc etc.
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[11:20] <reider59> okies thx
[11:20] <Aleksander> ok, thank you for all the help and goodbye :)
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[11:27] <aec> techsurvivor: so in more complex systems, to handle the usb communication, one would have a middle layer between the cpu and usb that would poll the usb and raise an interrupt to the cpu
[11:28] <aec> but because rpi doesn't have that, it has to do polling itself, using cpu cycles to do so
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[11:30] <aec> techsurvivor: is that correct?
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[11:47] <KameSense> hello there, does anyone know a good tutorial to begin with the GPIO port ? I have a good knowledge in coding but not much in electronics
[11:48] <booyaa> KameSense: http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[11:48] <SpeedEvil> aec: is this supposition, or spurcwd from someone with actual knowledge?
[11:50] <KameSense> booyaa: thanks !
[11:50] <aec> SpeedEvil: which part?
[11:50] <SpeedEvil> polling
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[11:51] <SpeedEvil> that is - that it actually lacks the hw, not just bad saw implementation.
[11:52] <booyaa> KameSense: if you google gordonDrogon he's got some nice stuff too
[11:52] <aec> SpeedEvil: well I heard in usb2, you have 8000 bits a second to receive. What other way is there besides checking if there is data to receive once every 1/8000 seconds to see if you have anything to receive or not
[11:52] <booyaa> KameSense: also google wiringPi
[11:52] <SpeedEvil> interrupt.
[11:53] <SpeedEvil> the fact that a driver polls doesn't inherently mean the he can't interrupt.
[11:53] <charolastra> very strange: the ping over wifi from the Pi to another PC works fine while a ping from a PC to the Pi results in huge ping delays, any idea what's going on?
[11:53] <aec> SpeedEvil: well, the thing is, if it can interrupt, then why would rpi have any such problem
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> not all
[11:54] <aec> not all... ?what
[11:54] <SpeedEvil> drivers are optimally written. especially when it doesn't ,matter to tjw use+case
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> sorry, kbd
[11:55] <KameSense> booyaa: ok thanks a lot, seems I have lots to read now !
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[11:55] <booyaa> KameSense: excellent obviously come back here if you get stuck ;)
[11:55] <reider59> I have some LCD Module stuff on my forum if it's any use
[11:55] <SpeedEvil> it is common to leave out 'unimportant' bits.
[11:56] <aec> that's just dumb
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
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[11:58] <aec> I genuinely believed it couldn't interrupt; that it would be the only reason why it would have to poll
[11:58] <SpeedEvil> Examples that spring to mind are the nexus 7, the charge meter driver does not expose the instantaneous current measurement, on the same device, the 'tap' interrupts of the gyros and accels are not used.
[11:58] <KameSense> booyaa: the 1st little project i'm aiming is to use the GPIO to plug leds to replace those soldered on the board, that I can't see anymore because of the case
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[11:59] <aec> KameSense: wooh, good luck
[11:59] <SpeedEvil> On the n900, hostmode was hacked in by users.
[11:59] <KameSense> seems easy to do but not for me
[12:00] <KameSense> aec: ? you think i'll be tricky ?
[12:00] <KameSense> it'll*
[12:00] <aec> KameSense: I think once you can blink a led on/off, you can figure out how to do the rest
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> I'm not saying that it can do interrupt mode, without CPU handling, just that because the vendor driver doesn't do it, doesn't mean it can't always.
[12:00] <aec> SpeedEvil: the driver is closed source, right?
[12:00] <SpeedEvil> KameSense: there is the other way of course - light guides.
[12:01] <KameSense> SpeedEvil: but light guides won't allow me to choose colors
[12:01] <SpeedEvil> aec - I haven't read it. Currently I'm trying to find where in the nexus 7 kernel the POGO pins are referenced. I'm coming to the supposition that they are not, to make someone releasing a dock before the official one unlikely.
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> KameSense: True.
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> Also - you don't need a GPIO to replace power of course.
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> But that's not very helpful.
[12:02] <SpeedEvil> In general, you need a resistor and a LED connected to the GPIO, and that's it.
[12:03] <aec> SpeedEvil: how about rpi's usb driver. is that open ?
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> And you can't use a blue or white LED really reliably, as the voltage from the GPIO is 3.3V
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> aec: I haven't read it.
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> The GPIO voltage is 3.3V?
[12:04] <aec> okay then
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[12:06] <SpeedEvil> The above is supposition only, and I was wondering if you had a source.
[12:08] <aec> SpeedEvil: no, like I said, I just came up with that considering one would implement interrupts if the system allowed
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[13:00] <Geniack> anyone tried putting gentoo on the raspberry?
[13:01] <buZz> there is a port
[13:02] <Geniack> if you mean the arm hardfloat one
[13:02] <Geniack> yes
[13:02] <Geniack> i know, i have troubles cross compiling the toolchain
[13:02] <buZz> ah
[13:02] <Weaselweb> Geniack: there is a wiki page about that
[13:02] <buZz> tried crossdev?
[13:03] <Geniack> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[13:03] <Geniack> i followed this guide
[13:03] <Geniack> but i am left with * gcc failed :(
[13:03] <Geniack> * If you file a bug, please attach the following logfiles:
[13:08] <DexterLB> does zoom not work on xbmc currently?
[13:10] <buZz> Geniack: did you try reading the logfiles?
[13:11] <buZz> Geniack: also, did you try other gcc versions?
[13:12] <TheFarfar> anyone tried running netperf on the raspberry pi?
[13:13] <Geniack> buZz: i tried the first, nothing suspicious... tried no other gcc versions
[13:13] <chithead> TheFarfar: netperf is mentioned here http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance so at least one person tried it
[13:13] <buZz> Geniack: did you read the text about x86 vs ~x86?
[13:13] <Geniack> i am compiling armhf, right?
[13:14] <TheFarfar> chithead: yeah, I've seen that page. I've tried compiling it but everything but localhost test gives nothing, only blank page
[13:15] <TheFarfar> Geniack: arm-linux-gnueabihf
[13:15] <TheFarfar> you can try that
[13:15] <Geniack> TheFarfar:
[13:15] <Geniack> root # crossdev -S -v -t armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi
[13:16] <Geniack> you mean like just replace the string after -t ?
[13:16] <shiroki> TheFarfar: what is the difference between the hard-float version and without hf version?
[13:17] <buZz> Geniack: the line above that command
[13:17] <TheFarfar> Geniack: I think so, I'm not sure on the exact string but that one worked when I was compiling xbmc
[13:17] <buZz> Create a cross toolchain for ARM: (drop -S if you plan to run an unstable system)
[13:17] <TheFarfar> shiroki: hard-float is hardware support for floating point numbers
[13:17] <TheFarfar> = better perfomance
[13:18] <shiroki> TheFarfar: i was thinking of building qt to rasppi, but not sure which compiler to use. so can i just pick one or shall i always use the hard-float one?
[13:18] <shiroki> TheFarfar: i wonder which one is used to create the default debian image
[13:19] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#Results shows the difference between soft/softfp and hard float
[13:19] <buZz> shiroki: there is no default debian image
[13:19] <buZz> the foundation doesnt make linux distros
[13:19] <buZz> so there is no default
[13:19] <buZz> also they change recommended images quite often
[13:19] <shiroki> buZz: i mean the image you can download from raspberry download site
[13:19] <buZz> first recommende image was fedora
[13:19] <buZz> do you mean that one?
[13:20] <chithead> some people conveniently package various distros in one image that you can dd to the sdcard
[13:20] <TheFarfar> shiroki: the debian image uses armel, non hf that is
[13:20] <shiroki> buZz: no.. i meant the wheezy-raspbian
[13:20] <buZz> raspbian is a debian image aswell
[13:20] <buZz> shiroki: yeah so totally different
[13:20] <TheFarfar> shiroki: raspbian images are armhf
[13:20] <buZz> there is _NO_ default image
[13:20] <TheFarfar> the ones I've seen at least...
[13:20] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions says which distros are armhf
[13:21] <shiroki> buZz: well whatever. that is the only working image i found. :)
[13:22] <buZz> ;)
[13:22] <buZz> thats because you didnt search around :D
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[13:22] <buZz> if by 'default' ppl would mean 'the first i found'
[13:22] <buZz> support would be impossible
[13:23] <shiroki> buZz: i take it as default since it is the first download image in the official site and also i read in the doc that it is the recommended one
[13:23] <buZz> shiroki: yeah, maybe next week there will be a different one
[13:23] <buZz> shiroki: two weeks ago there was a different one aswell
[13:24] <buZz> and 2 months before that there was a different one too
[13:24] <buZz> so just because the foundation says it works, doesnt mean anything
[13:24] <shiroki> buZz: i'm looking forward to better ones. especially for images including qt. the qtonpi is so crap i have to say
[13:24] <buZz> because the foundation has nothing to do with it
[13:24] <buZz> shiroki: yeah, i would say, make your own :)
[13:24] <buZz> LFS is a good learning cycle
[13:24] <shiroki> yeah, doing it now :)
[13:25] <buZz> awesome :D
[13:25] <buZz> maybe in a week YOU will be the recommended image
[13:26] <shiroki> i guess a lot of people created images themselves. i hope people can share more
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[13:42] <[SLB]> after running rpi-update i needed to adjust the overscans settings in a different way, has this happened to anyone else too?
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[13:43] <buZz> [SLB]: i think rpiupdate overwrites all the files on the boot partition
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[13:45] <[SLB]> hm not config.txt, i found it the way i left it before the update, i mean with the same old settings, i needed to change them in a different way
[13:46] <[SLB]> before i just uncommented disable_overscan to have it properly fit my tv
[13:46] <[SLB]> now i have to specify the paddings because just uncommenting disable_overscan goes beyond the tv surface
[13:48] <[SLB]> before, just uncommenting disable_overscan yelded to a native resolution fb, now playing with the settings doesn't really give me a neat native resolution
[13:48] <[SLB]> i have a backup of the boot partition, i guess later i try to boot with the old backup and see how it behaves
[13:49] <WASD> Can the RPi do this? http://arduino.sundh.com/tag/9v-battery/
[13:49] <Habbie> WASD, i'd presume so!
[13:50] <WASD> I don't want to fry it :P
[13:50] <WASD> also I don't know if I should get a PNP or NPN transistor
[13:51] <WASD> doesn't seem to matter
[13:53] <WASD> I'll get an NPN
[13:53] <TheFarfar> as long as you've got the diode
[13:54] <WASD> yeah I'll get that as well
[13:55] <TheFarfar> it doesn't hurt to read up on how a transistor works :)
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[13:56] <WASD> yeah I just watched a PNP and NPN comparsion video
[13:56] <WASD> and I have been looking at other videos in the last days
[13:56] <TheFarfar> good good
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[14:32] <Scepterr> battery powered rpi+lcd screen ftw https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/106544349933037831956/albums/5751776573083768129/5772051993195143634
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[14:33] <WASD> Scepterr: sweet :)
[14:33] <Martin`> can you feel the diverence in speed when you use a class 10 sd card instead of a class 4 sd card in the pi??
[14:33] <Scepterr> wanna see how long it lasts on 10k mah batt
[14:33] <Scepterr> Martin`: ide say so
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[14:39] <TheBrayn> how much did you pay for this screen and how good is it?
[14:40] <buZz> booooo un-selfmade battery
[14:40] <aec> buZz: what what what?
[14:40] <buZz> WHAT WHAT WHAT
[14:41] <buZz> this is my development battery for my wearable raspi : http://etc.servehttp.com/accu-binnenkant.jpg
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[14:44] <ReggieUK> nice little pocket firestarter you've got there buZz ;)
[14:44] <buZz> hehe
[14:44] <buZz> it can also start a small car with a flat battery
[14:45] <buZz> but will be completely empty afterwards ;)
[14:45] <buZz> ReggieUK: i shorted the leads on my finger, NOT nice
[14:45] <ReggieUK> as in wet finger?
[14:45] <buZz> no, dry finger
[14:45] <ReggieUK> how many volts in that?
[14:45] <buZz> but 11.8V 30A will jump a dry one easy
[14:46] <[SLB]> Martin`, depends on the card, i have a sony class 4 that goes at 10mb/s
[14:46] <TheBrayn> how long can this battery power the rpi?
[14:46] <ReggieUK> what about 13.8v and 7A?
[14:46] <buZz> TheBrayn: tests have been vague and this battery is severly damaged
[14:47] <ReggieUK> and 30a in that box?
[14:47] <buZz> ReggieUK: no
[14:47] <buZz> ReggieUK: the batteries are 1.5Ah
[14:47] * [SLB] smells smoke
[14:47] <buZz> but they can supply 15 times their amps in one go
[14:47] <buZz> if you short them ;)
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[14:47] <buZz> most li+ can
[14:47] <ReggieUK> I've just stuck my finger across my 12v sla (7Ah)
[14:47] <buZz> some can even go to 30 times
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[14:47] <ReggieUK> no sparks
[14:47] <buZz> SLA is pooooop
[14:48] <buZz> SLA can hardly supply more than twice its amps
[14:48] <buZz> just take a li+ cell, put the leads close to each other, and push them together with a dry finger
[14:48] <buZz> you will experience true power ;)
[14:49] <ReggieUK> I decline
[14:49] <buZz> boooooo
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[14:52] <Scepterr> TheBrayn: no clue on batt life yet, ill see today
[14:53] <Scepterr> TheBrayn: http://www.amazon.com/3-5-Inch-TFT-Monitor-Automobile/dp/B0045IIZKU
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[15:28] <cfy> why i execute sudo su -,i finally return to pi user?
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[15:30] <cfy> i know the reason.
[15:30] <cfy> in profile.d/raspi-config.sh,it will exec login -f pi at last
[15:30] <mikma> http://youtu.be/5K1RcKJVbHA
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[15:36] <buZz> Fifty Shades of Grey is not fit for work?
[15:37] <buZz> or Gilbert Gotfried?
[15:37] * MasterGeek roflmao
[15:37] <_troll_> depends on where you work, in a paper recycling plant it might be OK
[15:37] <buZz> or a paint store
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[15:45] <Geniack> sooo
[15:45] <Geniack> http://www.bootc.net/projects/raspberry-pi-kernel/ using that file, you know
[15:45] <Geniack> extracting it
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[15:45] <Geniack> can i use it with gentoo userland?
[15:46] <buZz> yes
[15:46] <Civil|2> Geniack: why not?
[15:47] <Geniack> because deb pkgs always caused trouble for me
[15:47] <Geniack> do i put lib/ onto the system partition?
[15:47] <Geniack> with all the modules
[15:48] <Geniack> and.. do i still have to use "imagetool-uncompressed.py" ?
[15:50] <Hodapp> silly question: what bootloader does the RPi use? I'm assuming it's not GRUB as it's non-x86
[15:50] <buZz> there is a bootloader in the GPU
[15:50] <ReggieUK> Hodapp, it uses it's own bootloader in the gpu
[15:50] <buZz> which could chainload uBoot
[15:50] <buZz> ppl are working on that
[15:50] <buZz> uBoot is awesome
[15:50] <Hodapp> in the *GPU*?
[15:50] <buZz> yes
[15:50] <Hodapp> this sounds like an odd arrangement
[15:50] <Hodapp> in my day, the GPU shut up until you spoke to it!
[15:50] <buZz> ;)
[15:51] <Hodapp> if you were one of those rich kids who HAD ONE!
[15:51] <buZz> in your day, intel had already decided that ARM was boring
[15:51] <buZz> ;)
[15:51] <Geniack> cool, what about lib/ ?
[15:51] <Geniack> and imagetool
[15:51] <Hodapp> and uBoot handles... booting individual partitions, booting Linux kernels, or both?
[15:52] <buZz> both
[15:52] <buZz> and also receiving images over ethernet
[15:52] <buZz> and seria;
[15:52] <buZz> serial*
[15:52] <reider59> My GPU needs updating then, it hasn't got a microphone to speak to it
[15:52] <Hodapp> buZz: that's pretty awesome; what kind of protocol does this use?
[15:52] <Hodapp> bootp?
[15:53] <ReggieUK> the gpu basically controls which licenses you have and which codecs to enable, it kind of makes sense for the bootloader to be in there because it's away from the user (they wouldn't want the user having access to codecs they haven't paid for)
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[15:53] <buZz> Hodapp: no, uBoot uses tftp
[15:53] <ReggieUK> or nand
[15:53] <ReggieUK> or nor
[15:53] <ReggieUK> nor usb
[15:53] <ReggieUK> or serial
[15:54] <buZz> usb is not working still? :)
[15:54] <ReggieUK> my bad, typo
[15:54] <ReggieUK> AND usb
[15:54] <Hodapp> buZz: well, bootp basically IS tftp so I am curious
[15:54] <Hodapp> so right now does the GPU basically load the Linux kernel directly?
[15:54] <Habbie> bootp is not basically tftp
[15:54] <Habbie> bootp is basic dhcp
[15:55] <Hodapp> oh, bah, it's PXE I'm thinking of
[15:55] <Habbie> pxe is bootp+tftp, often, yes :)
[15:56] <ReggieUK> the gpu loads the start.elf which tells it the memory split and licenses(I think), it then loads kernel.img
[15:56] <GriffenJBS> Habbie: the GPU starts, loads the loader from the SD, configs the MMU & CPU, loads a CPU loader, and hands control to the CPU, the CPU then loads the kernel
[15:56] <ReggieUK> but that kernel.img file can contain any code that you can run on the pi
[15:56] <Habbie> GriffenJBS, i know - was this meant for someone else?
[15:56] <ReggieUK> it doesn't have to be a kernel
[15:56] <GriffenJBS> yeah, what ReggieUK said
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[15:57] <_troll_> and this, somehow, is an open platform?
[15:57] <_troll_> the mind boggles...
[15:57] <ReggieUK> why would you need access to the bootloader in the pi?
[15:58] <buZz> _troll_: they were going for 'unbrickable'
[15:58] <Geniack> is freedom a question of needs?
[15:58] <_troll_> why would you need access to any hardware?
[15:58] <buZz> _troll_: and somehow ended up here
[15:58] <_troll_> why isn't a proprietary OS good enough for you?
[15:58] <ReggieUK> ahahah, you want freedom but don't know why
[15:58] <ReggieUK> awesome
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[15:58] <Habbie> buZz, start.elf or bootcode.bin do not need to be private to make the device unbrickable :)
[15:58] <Geniack> freedom is about possibilities
[15:58] <ReggieUK> there's plenty of linux that isn't open
[15:58] <buZz> Habbie: are they private?
[15:58] <_troll_> what happens when bcm stops maintaining the firmware?
[15:59] <Habbie> buZz, yes
[15:59] <buZz> they are here https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[15:59] <buZz> is that private?
[15:59] <_troll_> there's no source there
[15:59] <Habbie> buZz, no source
[15:59] <buZz> ahh
[15:59] <buZz> just blobs
[15:59] <_troll_> so you cannot fix anything
[15:59] <buZz> broadcom styleyyyyyyyyyy
[15:59] <Habbie> :)
[15:59] <buZz> woobwoob
[15:59] <_troll_> there are other ways to get unbrickable devices
[15:59] <buZz> i should get a broadcom tattoo and make sure its TOTALLY unreadable
[15:59] <buZz> 'yeah, its a blob'
[16:00] <Habbie> _troll_, this is not even related to it being unbrickable
[16:00] <Civil|2> buZz: not "broadcom style", it's "Big fat company style"
[16:00] <buZz> well
[16:00] <buZz> not all big fat companies are insane
[16:00] <_troll_> Habbie: <+buZz> _troll_: they were going for 'unbrickable'
[16:00] <Civil|2> buZz: what big companies have open source firmware for theier hw?
[16:01] <_troll_> TI
[16:01] <buZz> intel
[16:01] <buZz> (well slowly)
[16:01] <buZz> atheros
[16:01] <Civil|2> _troll_: TI have docs under NDA (at least had some time ago)
[16:01] <buZz> IBM
[16:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> if you have the source code to the blob it's of no use becase yoou dont have the comiler
[16:01] <_troll_> Civil|2: most of the omap3/4 docs are freely available
[16:01] <buZz> Civil|2: TI has a lot of code in the mainline kernel nowadays
[16:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> compiler*
[16:02] <nid0> I dont recall anyone from the foundation at any point saying it was ever going to be 100% open anyway
[16:02] <Civil|2> _troll_: omap3/4 have powervr
[16:02] <buZz> omap4 doesnt have to use paupervr
[16:02] <buZz> but usually does ;(
[16:02] <_troll_> Civil|2: yes, but the powervr is not in control of booting
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[16:03] <ReggieUK> the codecs aren't broadcoms to give away, nor are they the foundations to give away, the usb and ethernet IP on the PI is not the foundations IP to give away, everything else is open
[16:03] <_troll_> you can do useful things with an omap4 without needing any nda docs
[16:03] <_troll_> or any binary blobs
[16:03] <Civil|2> _troll_: yes, but anyway it's not all open
[16:03] <MasterGeek> yer the only problem with unbrickable projects for under $50 is, why bother. there is no room to explore the possibilities to get the kit to do things the builder dont think you need, and so would sell a third of the units, after all its not a ps3, its sold as an edcuational tool,which is kind of a fraud because some things have purposfully been locked out
[16:03] <ReggieUK> you can do useful things on the pi without the need for nda, what's your point?
[16:04] <_troll_> you need the binary boot loader blob
[16:04] <GriffenJBS> *everything* open source people amuse me
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[16:04] <_troll_> you are at the mercy of what the blob lets you do
[16:04] <ReggieUK> oh no
[16:04] <_troll_> from the moment you apply power
[16:04] <ReggieUK> such hardship
[16:04] <GriffenJBS> if it was on a ROM/RAM chip and loaded would you still care?
[16:04] <_troll_> no blob, no boot
[16:04] <nid0> so?
[16:05] <RaTTuS|BIG> if you remove the bios from ann itel board then that wont boot weither
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[16:05] <GriffenJBS> the same hold true for hardware, your at the mercy of it's design, never to be upgraded, that makes you sad?
[16:05] <_troll_> GriffenJBS: if it was in charge of doing important system configuration, yes I would care a lot
[16:05] <ReggieUK> _troll_, do you have a pi?
[16:05] <GriffenJBS> lol, you don't know what your talking about
[16:05] <Civil|2> _troll_: is source code of 1-st stage bootloader for omaps avaliable?
[16:05] <_troll_> ReggieUK: what does it matter if I have one?
[16:06] <ReggieUK> well, given your name and your tone of conversation, it appears you are here to troll and nothing more
[16:06] <_troll_> Civil|2: the rom source is not available, but that's not really comparable
[16:06] <GriffenJBS> _troll_: is upset that he can see the bios code in a file and would be happier if it was hidden on a chip
[16:06] <Civil|2> _troll_: comparable. You still use evil binary blob inside CPU to boot
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[16:06] <Civil|2> *"evil"
[16:06] <mikunos> hi guys
[16:06] <_troll_> GriffenJBS: no, you misunderstand
[16:06] <mikunos> I am a new Raspberry pi owner!!!
[16:07] <GriffenJBS> go take a CS/EE class and learn how the world works
[16:07] <_troll_> the TI rom is a tiny piece of code that loads the proper boot loader from nand, sd, usb, etc
[16:07] <ReggieUK> mikunos, congratulations
[16:07] <GriffenJBS> mikunos: congrads
[16:07] <_troll_> all it does is make the thing unbrickable
[16:07] <mikunos> thanks guys
[16:07] <Hodapp> GriffenJBS: are those two things in any way connected?
[16:07] <Civil|2> _troll_: prove it :)
[16:07] <_troll_> it does not enforce this cache configuration or that
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[16:07] <_troll_> like the bcm blob did until very recently
[16:08] <mikunos> I am finding some difficulty with the wifi adapter, does anybody show me the light?!
[16:08] <Hodapp> GriffenJBS: I mean, I took enough EE/CS classes to acquire a few degrees and they sure didn't teach me how the world works.
[16:08] <MasterGeek> +
[16:08] <nid0> mikunos is it a generic cheap nano adaptor?
[16:08] <Civil|2> mikunos: what's the problem with wifi?
[16:08] <GriffenJBS> Hodapp: ;-) nice
[16:08] <_troll_> the rpi is being hyped as an open platform when the truth is about as far from it as you can get
[16:08] <mikunos> I am using Rpi with debian on remote ssh access. My RTL8191S WLAN adapter doesn't work as well
[16:08] <_troll_> I call that hypocrisy
[16:08] <_troll_> that is all
[16:09] * GriffenJBS ponders "I wonder what I call him"
[16:09] <Hodapp> _troll_: "about as far from it as you can get"... I think that's quite an exaggeration.
[16:09] <mikunos> the dmesg shows me that the adapter is ok
[16:09] <nid0> _troll_: again, the foundation have never declared the pi as being 100% open, or even suggested that'd be the case
[16:09] <Civil|2> _troll_: afaik it's never been "open platform", you are messing it with OpenMoko
[16:09] <_troll_> they are even worse, sure
[16:09] <GriffenJBS> _troll_: what do you think of as open hardware/software?
[16:09] <nid0> who're worse than what?
[16:10] <mikunos> iwlist scan doesn't show the adapter
[16:10] <mikunos> it is an usb adapter
[16:10] <GriffenJBS> mikunos: ifconfig
[16:10] <Hodapp> Also, the RPi is a good deal more open than really anything else I've worked on short of perhaps the Arduino
[16:10] <chithead> the pi is an educational tool to teach coding to kids. it is much more closed than your average pc
[16:10] <GriffenJBS> Hodapp: Arduino is closed, I mean who knows what the ATMega is doing inside there
[16:10] <chithead> it is even more closed than those allwinner and xburst android devices
[16:10] <mikunos> GriffenJBS there is eth0, and loopback
[16:10] <mikunos> no wifi
[16:10] <GriffenJBS> mikunos: ok, so no wlan0
[16:11] <mikunos> exactly
[16:11] <mikunos> GriffenJBS
[16:11] <GriffenJBS> lsusb shows it?
[16:11] <_troll_> GriffenJBS: an open platform is one where I can do something meaningful without needing restricted docs or binary blobs
[16:11] <GriffenJBS> _troll_: can you give me an example of one?
[16:11] <_troll_> omap3/4
[16:11] <MasterGeek> nido, but it has expressed that its the ideal platform to teach the basics to kids, edcuators need to be able to teach that stuff to, other wise we will teach them to be dependent on the big boys like broadcom too, but maybe thats the plan
[16:11] <GriffenJBS> lol, that doesn't meet your own definition
[16:11] <_troll_> or any PC
[16:11] <mikunos> GriffenJBS http://pastie.org/4377833
[16:12] <_troll_> GriffenJBS: and why not?
[16:12] <_troll_> everything you need to know to boot linux is in freely available manuals
[16:12] <nid0> MasterGeek: an educational tool doesnt have to be 100% open from the soc up to be an educational tool, thats just you twisting things to meet your own expectations if you feel that way
[16:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> mikunos - plug usb wireless adapter into a powered hum and then do a lsusb
[16:12] <_troll_> once the rom loader has done its thing, it hands over complete control to you
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[16:13] <GriffenJBS> _troll_: and so does the Pi
[16:13] <_troll_> that is not true
[16:13] <GriffenJBS> how is it now?
[16:13] <GriffenJBS> *not?
[16:13] <mikunos> RaTTuS|BIG Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0df6:005d Sitecom Europe B.V.
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[16:13] <_troll_> you can't run a single instruction on the arm unless the gpu blob lets you
[16:14] <_troll_> and much of the system configuration is done by the gpu blob
[16:14] <GriffenJBS> ... ?! you mean like the BIOS on those PCs you like so much?
[16:14] <_troll_> you don't need to use the included bios
[16:14] * ReggieUK sets mode +b *!*@batanen.kinali.ch
[16:14] <_troll_> ever heard of coreboot?
[16:14] <GriffenJBS> yes
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[16:14] <GriffenJBS> most has been RE just like people are doing with the PI
[16:15] * RaTTuS|BIG no need to update ignore list now
[16:15] <MasterGeek> Ok so, i cant teach kids abc, but not s,t,m and only w,r,q if i sing a none disclosure and pay mega buck to the soc co, OK, well, i see how it is, but that kinda ristricts teaching the basics of embedded systems to kids, because 99 % of electronic tec dont use soc when they come to design unless they are forced to in some why.
[16:15] <mikunos> any idea guys?
[16:15] <GriffenJBS> you think intel, Phoenix, etc just released coreboot for the world? the world spent years figuring out what they wouldn't open up
[16:15] <ReggieUK> I have no issues with healthy debate but that wasn't healthy
[16:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> mikunos I have not Idea about wireless
[16:15] <chithead> the reverse engineering is seriously hampered by the fact that only broadcom can write the gpu firmware
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[16:16] <ReggieUK> if anyone else would like to fill the channel with moaning about stuff that we can't change, feel free, I have my shiny boots on
[16:16] <chithead> even with google's new chromebooks which use coreboot, a few blobs remain
[16:17] <mikunos> GriffenJBS have u seen my reply?
[16:17] <GriffenJBS> mikunos: the paste?
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[16:18] <mikunos> GriffenJBS Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0df6:005d Sitecom Europe B.V.
[16:18] <fluzz> Phew... Thanks ReggieUK. They pay a couple of bucks and are still complaining...
[16:18] <GriffenJBS> what about lsmod?
[16:19] <mikunos> http://pastie.org/4377874
[16:19] <GriffenJBS> I'm seeing old bug reports about it not working in debian, but they are old, so we'll see
[16:19] <GriffenJBS> yeah, no module is being loaded for it
[16:19] <ReggieUK> I don't have issues with people complaining, I have issues with people complaining, labouring a point, twisting the view of things to suit them and generally filling the channel with whining
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[16:19] <ReggieUK> life is too short
[16:19] <mikunos> how do I do it?
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[16:21] <GriffenJBS> mikunos: I'm reading about it, back in 3 min
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[16:21] <mikunos> thanks
[16:22] <mikunos> I am here
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[16:22] <GriffenJBS> mikunos: it appears to use the RealTek 8192SU chipset
[16:23] <mikunos> let me see
[16:23] <GriffenJBS> which is covered by the r8712u driver
[16:23] <MasterGeek> but, maybe RPF didnt think that educators would want to tach the full spectrum, i get that, but thats the whole point i think, about selling an item based on what the designers think the users base needs , to what the user base would like to be able to do with it, Im still impressed, but now i found out more, Its only with the price for wut you get. Im disappointed, because an an educator i cant justify spending ?50,000 budget on a sys
[16:23] <MasterGeek> tem thats missing access to vital systems that need to be taught.
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[16:23] <sjaak_trekhaak> I just started using a libCEC enabled distro. However, it keeps asking my TV to switch to the Pi somehow. Can't make use of other devices when the Pi is powered on - the TV will simply switch back.
[16:23] <sjaak_trekhaak> Any ideas?
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[16:24] <GriffenJBS> sjaak_trekhaak: sounds like the TV has a "feature", may need to read the manual or change the input
[16:24] <bubu> raspbmc or xbian for xbmc on your Pi!?
[16:24] <sjaak_trekhaak> xbian
[16:24] <GriffenJBS> ie it autoswitches when the DVD turns on, the pi never turns off so ...
[16:24] <sjaak_trekhaak> yeah well
[16:25] <bubu> sjaak_trekhaak, used both? just trying xbian now
[16:25] <Hodapp> ReggieUK: thanks for that kick.
[16:25] <sjaak_trekhaak> when i manually select my HD cable player it switches back instantly to the pi GriffenJBS
[16:25] <sjaak_trekhaak> bubu: yes
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[16:27] <GriffenJBS> sjaak_trekhaak: if you unplug the pi, does it switch back? when you plug in the pi, it switches to the pi? That's an issue with the TV, the pi can't make it change
[16:27] <sjaak_trekhaak> yeah
[16:27] <sjaak_trekhaak> Ever since I enabled CEC for the Pi
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[16:27] <sjaak_trekhaak> It looks like rpicecd gives a "SWITCH TO ME!!!" signal
[16:27] <GriffenJBS> try HDMI1 or HDMI2, etc on the TV, does that make a difference?
[16:28] <GriffenJBS> mikunos: I didn't forget about you
[16:28] <sjaak_trekhaak> I'll give it a shot. Sec.
[16:28] <sjaak_trekhaak> Problem might be that 1 device is CEC enabled, other isnt
[16:28] <mikunos> me too, I am reading here http://www.t3node.com/blog/sempre-wireless-usb-stick-wu300-2-on-raspberry-pi/
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[16:32] <bubu> anyone know how to add my raspi to my homegroup network rather than workgroup which it seems to be on at the moment
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[16:32] <bubu> changed in smb.conf
[16:32] <bubu> but wont i need a password to join the homegroup?
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[16:35] <Mco> homegroup is Win 7 only, I think
[16:35] <sjaak_trekhaak> GriffenJBS: no change
[16:36] <GriffenJBS> mikunos: I'm looking for the driver
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[16:37] <sjaak_trekhaak> GriffenJBS: Looks like libcec 1.6.3 has a fix for this
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[16:39] <mikunos> GriffenJBS me too
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[16:44] <bubu> anyone got smbmount on their pi?
[16:45] <bubu> cifs-utils?
[16:45] <bubu> compiled with nfs support obvs too...
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[16:53] <nid0> not personally, but plenty of people have got cifs running, and nfs needs no particular changes
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[16:53] <sam> yeah I used it, too
[16:55] <bubu> gah
[16:55] <nid0> ?
[16:55] <bubu> mount -t nfs \\\\hostname:share mountpoint right syntax?
[16:55] <buZz> mount host:share mountpoint works
[16:57] <bubu> hmm
[16:57] <Hodapp> can you even mount NFS like that?
[16:57] <nid0> ofc
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[16:57] <bubu> I can smbclient \\\\hostname\\share
[16:57] <bubu> and get in ok
[16:57] <bubu> but mounting doesnt want to work
[16:58] <bubu> nfs-common nfs-utils portmap all instaleldo k
[16:58] <Hodapp> what is the connection with smbclient & NFS here...?
[16:58] <nid0> what error do you get on mount, and presumably your share is shared via both smb and nfs?
[16:59] <buZz> Hodapp: yes
[16:59] <Habbie> nfs uses host:path
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[16:59] <mikma> reggieuk: if you are not fit for work, maybe you should work out more ;)
[16:59] <bubu> hmm thats a good point, prob just shared via SMB and not NFS
[16:59] <bubu> is a share on my openwrt router
[17:00] <buZz> man
[17:00] <Hodapp> buZz: yes what?
[17:00] <buZz> yes SIR
[17:00] <buZz> 16:55 <+Hodapp> can you even mount NFS like that?
[17:00] <buZz> 16:57 <+buZz> Hodapp: yes
[17:00] <Hodapp> like what?
[17:00] <Hodapp> the first or second one there?
[17:00] <buZz> 16:53 <+buZz> mount host:share mountpoint works
[17:01] <Hodapp> I was asking about how bubu gave it, not yours
[17:01] <bubu> nid0, so if my share is only shared via SMB and not nfs. I can only access via smb using smbclient or something
[17:01] <Hodapp> I know your way works, I use it regularly
[17:01] <bubu> so basically, cant use nfs to access an smb share
[17:01] <nid0> bubu well yeah, if it isnt shared over nfs you cant access it via nfs
[17:01] <bubu> and there is no smbmount on raspi
[17:01] <bubu> lol
[17:01] <bubu> :(
[17:01] <ziltro2> How could you possibly access SMB via NFS?
[17:02] <bubu> ofc you cant
[17:02] <ziltro2> Ok, thought so
[17:02] <bubu> just didnt occur to me and cifs is a replacement for smbmount in raspbian
[17:02] <bubu> and = as
[17:02] <Hodapp> and in most other Linuxes nowadays
[17:02] <bubu> nfs faster than smb?
[17:03] <GriffenJBS> buba, what errors are you getting?
[17:03] <bubu> GriffenJBS, I'm being an idiot. tryign to access an SMB share using nfs
[17:03] <bubu> :)
[17:03] <bubu> i want to mount my smb share on my openwrt to my pi
[17:03] <GriffenJBS> nfs is usually fastest with FTP being faster than samba
[17:04] <bubu> i have usb HD attached to the openwrt router
[17:04] <GriffenJBS> not samba's fault, the design of the protocol
[17:04] <bubu> which i want to mount on my pi
[17:04] <mikma> bubu: http://mikma.eu/rpi/mount.txt
[17:04] <Civil|2> bubu: it's better to use nfs, to share something with *nix systems
[17:04] <nid0> maybe i'm missing something but why not just mount it as cifs
[17:05] <bubu> because my openwrt router is only sharing via SMB and not cifs i think
[17:05] <bubu> so i cant do that can i?
[17:05] <nid0> theyre the same thing
[17:05] <Habbie> smb = cifs
[17:05] <bubu> needs to change the mount on openwrt
[17:05] <sam> OPTS=user=sam,dom=DOMAIN-NAME,nounix,noserverino,pass=mypasswordlol,uid=1000,gid=1000
[17:05] <sam> smbmount // /i -o $OPTS
[17:05] <sam> bubu ^
[17:05] <bubu> sam, there is no smbmount in raspbian
[17:06] <bubu> thats my problem.
[17:06] <nid0> just use mount -t cifs
[17:06] <bubu> i can access the share ok using smbclient
[17:06] <ziltro2> sudo apt-get install samba-common ?
[17:06] <bubu> nid0, smbclient \\\\hostname\\share
[17:06] <bubu> gets me into samba share OK
[17:07] <nid0> yes, so why not just mount it as cifs
[17:07] <bubu> so how can i do the same using cifs
[17:07] <dwatkins> //server/share might also work
[17:07] <bubu> ziltro2, done that.
[17:07] <sam> duh, you're right, where'd smbfs go in wheezy
[17:07] <nid0> mount -t cifs -o username=xx/password=yy //hosts/share /mount
[17:08] <bubu> nid0, your _THE_ f*cking man.
[17:08] <bubu> :)
[17:08] <nid0> comma not / between user and pass
[17:08] <bubu> worked
[17:08] <bubu> ja
[17:08] <bubu> you da man
[17:08] <bubu> xbian running ok
[17:08] <bubu> shares ok
[17:08] <bubu> wireless ok
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[17:08] <bubu> now lets see how badly xmbc runs :)
[17:09] <mikma> bubu: so basicly 4 minutes ago when i linked the instructions to what nid0 said you didn't even bother to read it? :DD
[17:09] <bubu> cheers nid0
[17:09] <bubu> sorry am in a terminal
[17:09] <bubu> :D
[17:09] <bubu> but thank you!
[17:10] <bubu> mikma too :]
[17:10] <mikma> and you got no interwebs in that computer. ok ok ;D
[17:10] <bubu> not this one ;o)
[17:10] <bubu> am at work at the mo
[17:10] <mikma> 1) sudo apt-get install lynx
[17:10] <bubu> and SSH'd into pi
[17:10] <ziltro2> The one you're using for IRC...
[17:10] <mikma> 2) ??? 3) profit!
[17:10] <bubu> yeah lynx sucks though
[17:10] <bubu> lol
[17:10] <Hodapp> elinks > lynx
[17:10] <mikma> you think? but works like a charm
[17:10] <ziltro2> elinks is betterer
[17:10] <bubu> works yes
[17:11] <bubu> but not pretty
[17:11] <bubu> besides I didnt realise it was just a txt document ;D
[17:11] <chithead> w3m is even better
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[17:11] <ziltro2> Most instructions are text.
[17:11] <mikma> bubu: really? you missed the ".txt" part? :D lol
[17:11] <bubu> anyone here streaming to xbmc on the pi over wireless and not eth?
[17:11] <bubu> heh
[17:11] <bubu> my bad
[17:12] <mikma> streaming over wireless is choppy
[17:12] <mikma> not recommended
[17:12] <bubu> hmmm
[17:12] <ziltro2> Even super-mega-fast 802.11n?
[17:12] <bubu> may have to put some holes in the walls for eth then
[17:12] <ziltro2> Which is Definatly 300Mbps?
[17:13] <chithead> 300mbps is only the advertised speed
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[17:13] <nid0> streaming over wireless is in general perfectly fine, havent tried to a pi though
[17:13] <mikma> nid0: well it's not fine in pi
[17:13] <ziltro2> I've sued some devices intended as wireless bridges. They were advertised as 300Mbps. But they had 100Mbit ethernet sockets...
[17:13] <jaxdahl> http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/faster-zombies/
[17:13] <ziltro2> used, even
[17:14] <jaxdahl> 100mbit fabric you mean?
[17:14] <ziltro2> I think so
[17:14] <ziltro2> The wired ethernet was 100Mbps.
[17:14] <ziltro2> But they didn't mention that.
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[17:14] <zgreg> you won't get anywhere near the advertised 300 mbps with wifi anyway
[17:15] <ziltro2> It didn't matter anyway, this was faster than the previous connection.
[17:15] <bubu> unless you are next to the AP in a vacuum :P
[17:15] <ziltro2> Which didn't work properly due to trees and tanks.
[17:15] <zgreg> in fact, you're lucky if you get to fully use the 100 mbps of the ethernet port :)
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[17:17] <ziltro2> Mmm, well wireless devices it is usually amasing if they even work at all. :)
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[17:19] <zgreg> but I'd still expect gbit ethernet on 300 mbps devices
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[17:20] <zgreg> under good conditions it should be possible to get more than 100 mbps through the air
[17:20] <Habbie> i'm used to 120-150 over the air
[17:20] <Habbie> over 2 meters
[17:20] <Habbie> 100 at 5 meters with some stuff in between
[17:20] <Hodapp> uh, you won't get GigE speeds in 300 mbps devices.
[17:20] <Hodapp> to be precise, you need 1000 mbps for that.
[17:20] <zgreg> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/802.11n-wireless-router-access-point,2605-18.html
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[17:21] <zgreg> here are some practical throughput tests
[17:21] <ziltro2> You'd need gigabit to get > 100Mpbs though.
[17:21] <Hodapp> Mpbs?
[17:21] <zgreg> Hodapp: wat?
[17:21] <Hodapp> zgreg: GigE is 1000 mbps.
[17:21] <zgreg> yes, of course
[17:21] <Hodapp> so why would you expect GigE on 300 mbps devices?
[17:21] <zgreg> but what's your point?
[17:22] <InControl> don't confuse Mb with MB
[17:22] <ziltro2> Mbps
[17:22] <zgreg> Hodapp: because they can achieve more than 100 mbps and that is what fast ethernet can do
[17:22] <Hodapp> zgreg: so you're saying, you would expect that a device that can do 300 mbps would provide Gigabit Ethernet as well?
[17:22] <ziltro2> You can't get 300Mbps over a 100Mbps link.
[17:22] <nid0> Hodapp: yes.
[17:22] <zgreg> exactly
[17:23] <nid0> why have a 300mbps wifi link if the wire the other end can only do 100
[17:23] <nid0> obviously, with >100mbps wifi you'd need >100mbps ethernet, ie gigabit
[17:23] <zgreg> although you will never get near teh 300 mbps in practice (50% of that is practical, i.e. 150 mbps)
[17:23] <Hodapp> nid0: because you want to be able to talk to other wireless devices at 300 mbps, perhaps.
[17:23] <nid0> its a wireless bridge
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[17:24] <Hodapp> The same reason that switches were commonly sold with 100 mbps ports and a 10 mbps uplink.
[17:25] <InControl> never seen a switch with 100mbps ports with 10mbps uplink myself
[17:25] <nid0> not really the same at all, as the point of a switch is to switch traffic through a local network as well as provide an uplink
[17:25] <InControl> usually 100mbps ports with 1gbps uplink
[17:25] <nid0> the point of a wireless bridge is to link a wireless receiver elsewhere, so having the wireless component faster than the uplink is, as zgreg pointed out, rather dumb
[17:25] <Hodapp> InControl: They're older but they're not hard to find
[17:26] <nid0> its more akin to buying a usb3 hub that only has a usb2 host interface
[17:26] <Hodapp> nid0: not really the same at all.
[17:27] <InControl> Problem is you can't talk at 300mbps to more than 1 system at a time anyway afik
[17:27] <InControl> the more wireless clients the less bandwidth for all
[17:27] <ziltro2> A wireless bridge tends to only have two stations. ;)
[17:28] <zgreg> InControl: that's true for all shared medium networks
[17:28] <ziltro2> Okay I have used three access points in a bridge, but ignoring that.
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[17:28] <Hodapp> You can also look at a minimum of 700 mbps that is wasted of that GigE's bandwidth if it's there, while at most 200 mbps of the N is wasted if 100 mbps Ethernet is there.
[17:28] <zgreg> Hodapp: wasted? you're lucking at it the wrong way.
[17:28] <InControl> zgreg: an ethernet switch creates a circuit between 2 nodes that can talk at full speed
[17:29] <nid0> but if you're advertising it as a 300mbps bridge that only has a 100mbit uplink, its still poorly/blatantly misleadingly advertised
[17:29] <zgreg> InControl: yes, but ethernet is not a shared medium network
[17:29] <Hodapp> zgreg: What makes you certain my way of looking at it is "wrong"?
[17:29] <nid0> Hodapp: because it wasnt sold as a 100mbit bridge, it was sold as a 300mbit bridge
[17:29] <zgreg> unless you use 10 mbps "thick ethernet" or the BNC stuff ;)
[17:29] <Hodapp> zgreg: I think more likely what you mean is simply that you do not like my way of looking at it.
[17:30] <Hodapp> zgreg: Which is fine, but please admit that.
[17:30] <zgreg> Hodapp: you can't "waste" any bandwidth on a dedicated full-duplex link
[17:31] <Civil|2> you may need 300mbps 802.11n to get >30mbps on wifi devices you've got
[17:31] <ziltro2> I wanted a fbre link.
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[17:31] <ziltro2> But they can't install fibre.
[17:31] <ziltro2> Hmm... Unless it can go overhead?
[17:31] <zgreg> there is nothing that would be able to use the excess bandwidth
[17:31] <Hodapp> Either the wireless N is the limiting factor or the Ethernet is the limiting factor. Pick one.
[17:31] <zgreg> so any "waste" here is meaningless
[17:31] <nid0> Hodapp: yes, it is pick one
[17:31] <InControl> It is all kind of academic anyway as the Pi is limited by USB2 bandwidth.
[17:31] <nid0> Hodapp: but its not "pick the lower one, then advertise the higher"
[17:32] <ziltro2> Is there any reason fibre cables acn't go overhead?
[17:32] <ziltro2> Very high up...
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[17:32] <Civil|2> Hodapp: if you have more then 1 802.11n device, and you want at least 70mbps bandwidth between them, you may need 300mbps router
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[17:33] <Civil|2> nowadays lots of mobile phones have 72mbps 802.11n wifi, family can have more then 1 notebook, or even NAS with 802.11n
[17:33] <Hodapp> nid0: So your quarrel then is not with the device, but with consumerism in general.
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[18:05] <cmug> Is it true that the rpi can run Android ICS?
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[18:06] <bubu> 4.0
[18:06] <cmug> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1700 ok
[18:06] <cmug> 4.0 is ICS
[18:06] <mikey_w> No sound in ICS yet.
[18:07] <aphadke> mikey_w: u running http://androidpi.wikia.com/wiki/Android_Pi_Wiki ? or some other version of ICS?
[18:07] <cmug> Cool stuff still
[18:07] <ziltro2> What's the use of an android which can't talk to you? ;)
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[18:08] <mikey_w> No, I'mm waiting for an official release.
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[18:08] <mikey_w> I use a mele a1000 for a set-top box now.
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[18:20] <InControl> 'Quit: Page closed' does that mean there is a public web client linked to this channel ?
[18:20] <IT_Sean> Webchat.freenode.net
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[18:20] <TheBrayn> mibbit would also work I guess
[18:21] <IT_Sean> Freenode does not allow connections from mibbit, actually
[18:21] <InControl> ok
[18:21] <TheBrayn> IT_Sean: I think I was using mibbit with a bnc and it worked
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[18:22] * InControl is new 'round here haven't used IRC for donkeys years, just automatically set-up an IRC client didn't stop to think there would be a web client.
[18:22] <IT_Sean> The web client is rubbish.
[18:22] <IT_Sean> You are better off with client soffware
[18:22] <TheBrayn> sure
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[18:24] <InControl> Having to register a nick was a bit of a faff though
[18:24] <InControl> I understand the reason behind it, are there less people using the channel now though ?
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[18:26] <InControl> :) all these people signing off to go home
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[18:45] <ReggieUK> the figures have dropped off by about 100
[18:45] <ReggieUK> but that was 100 people who didn't seem to say too much, so no big loss there
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[18:51] <markbook> I'm more valuable if I say something?
[18:51] <markbook> ANYTHING?
[18:51] <ReggieUK> no
[18:51] <markbook> whew.
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[18:56] <Hodapp> markbook: yes.
[18:56] <Hodapp> markbook: say something.
[18:57] <Hodapp> markbook: or we'll ridicule you, ban you, and then kick you.
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[19:02] <markbook> I have couple of pi's and I put Raspian on it and rebuild XBMC (according to a very nicely done How-To) and it's WAY snappier than either OpenElec or RaspBMC.
[19:03] * markbook has to create a blog from the pics he took of the IDC connector/USB serial and explain why All Computer Devices Should Have Exposed Serial Console Ports As First Class Devices.
[19:04] * markbook isn't at all opinionated.
[19:04] * Hodapp hasn't even attempted to use the RPi's serial.
[19:05] <TheFarfar> markbook: nice
[19:05] <TheFarfar> I'm compiling XBMC on pisces atm
[19:05] <markbook> It's really pretty easy if you have access to a cheap USB serial cable like the Nokia CA-42 and an IDC female connector... oh and a good magnifying glass.
[19:06] <markbook> I can run my pi 100% powered and controlled with my netbook.
[19:06] <TheFarfar> mine will be stand alone coupled to my TV and on all the time
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[19:06] <mm0zct> my pi is hanging off the ethernet headless just now
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[19:06] <markbook> 1 cable for power, a second for serial a third crossover for net and a NAT forwarding net
[19:07] <markbook> The FarFar: I have 2 pi's, two dockstars and two Plugv4s and I set them up in pairs with the serial crossed over so I can monitor and cycle them remotely.
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[19:08] <markbook> eventually I'm going to price a couple of old 16 port Cisco switch/routers, a Digi CS and an APC switched PDU so I can build a school lab that is 100% network accessible.
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[19:10] <TheFarfar> had Cisco 2950 different models trashed just the other week
[19:10] <TheFarfar> I would like to have a 3560-8 fanless with PoE+
[19:11] <markbook> and the whole thing should fit in maybe 5U of a DC rack or possibly the top shelf of an uncooled janitor's closet
[19:11] <markbook> I am hoping I can also use a Pi or a Dockstar as a monitoring head so I can get graphic visualizations of the network and app map as the students build it.
[19:12] <TheFarfar> will probably get a couple of Pi's more and implement multi-room audio
[19:13] <markbook> TheFarFar: I've been thinking things along those lines too.
[19:13] <markbook> Though I think I may need one TrimSlice for the back end node of the Tv setup
[19:13] <markbook> maybe an APC will do it.
[19:17] <TheFarfar> how long did it take to compile XBMC on the rpi?
[19:17] <markbook> overnight and a bit
[19:17] <[SLB]> on the rasp itself?
[19:17] <markbook> yep
[19:17] <TheFarfar> kk, won't wait for it then =P
[19:17] <TheFarfar> at 3h atm
[19:18] <markbook> yeah, you'll need to schedule a pee break somewhere in there.
[19:18] <TheFarfar> have you tried to run netperf on the pi?
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[19:19] <markbook> Nope
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[19:20] <markbook> I have to set the second one up to play with non-TV stuff
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[19:20] <TheFarfar> I tried compiling it but can't execute a test other than to localhost
[19:21] <TheFarfar> everything else gives nothing, no ouput, no error, no nothing
[19:21] <markbook> On Fedora I'd look at SELinux
[19:21] <TheFarfar> I'm at raspbian
[19:21] <markbook> anything reported in messages about fail to connect to device or port?
[19:21] <TheFarfar> nope
[19:22] <markbook> do you have strace available and debug-included binaries?
[19:23] <TheFarfar> no I haven't played much more than noted that it didn't work
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[19:36] <EiNSTeiN_> ReggieUK: could you please remove the +r, it feels unwelcoming
[19:38] <mikma> umm. imo it's a good feature
[19:38] <ReggieUK> EiNSTeiN_, no
[19:39] <mikma> also: '/mode +q $~a' can be used to prevent unregistered users from speaking in channel while allowing them to join
[19:39] <EiNSTeiN_> mikma: that would already be better
[19:40] <EiNSTeiN_> ReggieUK: my bouncer often joins channels after a disconnect while my old connection is lingering, which prevents me from joining this channel
[19:40] <mikma> einstein_: it would, but since you can pretty much automate the registering process when joining the server then it's not a problem
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[19:40] <EiNSTeiN_> it is also very unbecoming of a "community" to exclude people like that
[19:40] <EiNSTeiN_> some people don't register nicks because they actually don't _want_ to
[19:41] <mikma> and they have something to hide, hah
[19:41] <reider59> auto login and reg here, no problem. It's easy to use any nick and reg it then use a different ione elsewhere. Methinks a big fuss over nothing
[19:41] <ziltro2> You can register and connect using Tor.
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[19:42] <markbook> EiNSTeiN: it was open, but it became a troll target.
[19:43] <EiNSTeiN_> ReggieUK: that's very mature and admin-like
[19:43] <ReggieUK> I really did mean no when I said it the first time, whining will only lead to one outcome
[19:43] <ReggieUK> awesome, whining when you've already been told no is also incredibly mature
[19:43] <ReggieUK> then trying to chastise me/the channel like a child because we don't do it how you want
[19:43] <EiNSTeiN_> i'm not whining, i'm arguing my point
[19:43] <ReggieUK> this works for us, we like it like this if you don't, that's of no concern to me
[19:44] <markbook> EiNSTeiN_ the decision was not arbitrary and has been discussed and decided. Sorry.
[19:44] <reider59> made your point now leave it out
[19:44] <EiNSTeiN_> ReggieUK: I'm drawing a line in the middle of the internet now, this side is yours, play the dictatorship all you want... I'll be over there in my corner ->
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[19:45] <reider59> bye then, we may wave occasionally
[19:45] <ziltro2> Awh, and I thought that argument was going to be the full half-hour.
[19:45] <ReggieUK> yet another net warrior that wants to play the martyr
[19:45] <markbook> I hate it when they leave and I'm happy about it. Smart people with bad attitudes still have bad attitudes.
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[19:45] <Tu13es> so brave
[19:46] <Ionic`> LOL
[19:46] <Ionic`> #raspberrypi vs. the internetz
[19:47] <ReggieUK> at the end of the day we're happy for everyone to be here, there are some very small rules, that anyone in any sane social sense would respect, but they are OUR rules, we won't change them and trying to argue with us about them only leads down one path
[19:47] <ReggieUK> and it's a short path
[19:47] <Hodapp> screw you guys, I'm going home!
[19:48] <w0m> tsk tsk
[19:48] <markbook> I can't bring myself to mock either.
[19:48] <w0m> anyone get a "{Pibow" yet?
[19:48] * Hodapp grabs all the Raspberry Pis that he can see and leaves.
[19:48] <Ionic`> ReggieUK: I don't think there's anyone still in here disagreeing
[19:48] <MasterGeek> lol
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[19:49] <markbook> Hodapp: THem's Fighting Words!
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[19:49] <Hodapp> pfffft
[19:49] <ReggieUK> don't steal pi on your way out
[19:49] <Hodapp> but...
[19:49] <Kanerix> On a bit of a kicking spree, eh?
[19:50] <Hodapp> hmm, doesn't Tu13es hail from ##mac, which had some kicking sprees that were much worse?
[19:50] <w0m> respect my authoritai
[19:50] <ReggieUK> it was a playful kick
[19:50] <ReggieUK> he's back
[19:51] <Hodapp> yeah guys I'm back
[19:51] * Tu13es kicks everyone
[19:51] <ReggieUK> where's aaa801 when you need him for a playful kick?
[19:51] <MasterGeek> yer gtfo kicks is fun
[19:51] <Hodapp> if you'd like, though, I could bitch about how the Raspberry Pi is more closed-down than Guantanamo Bay or something like that
[19:51] <reider59> "screw you guys, I'going home!"....yet you came back
[19:51] <Hodapp> is that a good enough exaggeration?
[19:51] <reider59> I'll say bye now, missed it the first time
[19:52] <Hodapp> but that'd be pointless
[19:52] <Hodapp> since I don't actually have an issue
[19:52] <GriffenJBS> w0m: I'd like a pibow in different colors, err rather one color
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[19:52] <DaQatz> reider59: For the reference, sticking around afterwards is fine.
[19:52] <DaQatz> reider59: Since the TV char that uses it often does.
[19:52] <MasterGeek> just do wuti did decompile the blobs and make your own from em
[19:52] <Hodapp> MasterGeek: didn't know anybody tried that
[19:53] <DaQatz> There are people reversing the gpu.
[19:53] <w0m> i'm of the opinion ops should only carry @ when they need to use it; just causes dirision in the community. Channels generally run fine regardless though.
[19:53] <Hodapp> DaQatz: Reversing how far?
[19:53] <ZenoArrow> DaQatz, that's news to me, can you tell us more?
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[19:54] <DaQatz> https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv
[19:54] <ziltro2> Reverse engineering is legal in some places.
[19:54] <MasterGeek> it is ?
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[19:54] <DaQatz> Yes
[19:54] <MasterGeek> spank me
[19:54] <ZenoArrow> Yes, it is/
[19:54] <DaQatz> It is
[19:54] <ziltro2> Yes. Like in the EU it is legal for interoperability. But not for creating a competing product. Or something like that.
[19:55] <Hodapp> I thought the only cases where it was illegal were whatever ones ran afoul of DMCA or of some other patents or something
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[19:55] <Hodapp> in the US at least
[19:55] <ziltro2> If something is patented you don't need to reverse engineer it.
[19:55] <ziltro2> THe details are in the patent.
[19:55] <MasterGeek> yer even sony cant hold back progress to open systems, and they chuck billions @ security
[19:55] <DaQatz> patents can be kinda vague.
[19:55] <Hodapp> ziltro2: The patent may not cover the full details.
[19:56] <Hodapp> ziltro2: The actual implementation might be restricted in other ways.
[19:56] * mranostay scrolls up and chuckles
[19:56] <ziltro2> I patent "A thing for doing Stuff".
[19:56] <GriffenJBS> ziltro2: did you read the patent on the stick for playing fetch?
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[19:57] <ziltro2> GriffenJBS: I did not... Does that mean trees are in violation of the patents?!
[19:57] <DaQatz> ziltro2: No you just holding a stick near your pet
[19:57] <DaQatz> ziltro2: You must pay royalties.
[19:57] <ziltro2> Ah I've solved that by not having a pet.
[19:57] <GriffenJBS> http://www.google.com/patents?id=hhYJAAAAEBAJ
[19:57] <ziltro2> That's in the USA, right?
[19:58] <ZenoArrow> Hodapp, re-implementing something is a different thing than reverse engineering it. Reverse engineering requires that you take apart the existing device/program in order to understand it, re-implementation can be as simple as following the spec (e.g. Google implementing their own JVM for Android).
[19:58] <MasterGeek> And another thing, when i purchased the pi, i didn't see or need to contract to any terms of use / service / or other agreement to not do any such thing.
[19:58] <Hodapp> ZenoArrow: I'm talking about reverse engineering, not re-implementation. However, the former still may somehow violate the DMCA.
[19:59] <Hodapp> I think.
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[19:59] <w0m> dmca is only if theres some form of encryption/drm involved I believe.
[20:00] <ziltro2> There's no encryption on any of my DVD/blu-ray rips... ;)
[20:00] <MasterGeek> only if there is a copyright notice expressly forbiding any such activity @ purchace, much like an NDA works, You cant sue for Disclosure, if all parties involved are not party to that contract
[20:00] <w0m> but there was drm on the original dvd/blue-ray that had to be cracked to rip it; which the cracking is the dmca violation
[20:00] <ZenoArrow> The laws for reverse engineering are different in different countries, plus there are ways to do it that are more universally legal (utilising clean room techniques). Clean room techniques were essential for reverse engineering the IBM-PC bios, which led to the PC clones.
[20:00] <GriffenJBS> DMCA - how big kids say 'if you touch it, I'm telling mom!'
[20:00] <ziltro2> Except the cracking hapened outside the USA.
[20:01] <w0m> ziltro2: then you're not inviolation of the dmca; those who ripped it are
[20:01] <ziltro2> Anyway, these days the easiest way to avoid such laws is to use Tor/Freenet an never tell who you actually are.
[20:01] <w0m> ziltro2: but that doesn't excuse you from copyright law if applicable
[20:01] <ziltro2> w0m: I ripped it. They are my discs.
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[20:02] <w0m> ziltro2: you broke the drm when you ripped it then; so that was most likely, technically; a dmca violation
[20:02] <MasterGeek> OK so can someone point to the contract users agree to when purchesing a Pi ?
[20:02] <w0m> you could argue that with fair use and maybe safe harbor though
[20:02] <ziltro2> w0m: I wasn't in the USA at the time, so it wasn't.
[20:02] <ZenoArrow> MasterGeek, what are you trying to work out?
[20:02] <Hodapp> Oh, no, they're only "your" discs if you break them or lose them. For the sake of anything else, they're just licenses to play the content on approved devices blahblahblahblah.
[20:03] <DaQatz> !w
[20:03] <PiBot> DaQatz: in Berwick, ME on Thu Aug 2 21:51:00 2012. Temp 81??F. Condition: Overcast, Humidity: 67%, Later 86??F - 66??F. Condition: Chance of Storm.
[20:03] <w0m> you don't 'own' a dvd plaayer; you pay for a licence that can be revoked. aurgh.
[20:03] <Hodapp> w0m: that too.
[20:03] <ziltro2> Can the RPi GPU actually play VC-1? Like it can apparently play MPEG2 but isn't allowed.
[20:03] <MasterGeek> im trying to figure out if RPF has any standing in regards to people decompiliing blobs and then rewriting them to include "other" functions?
[20:03] <w0m> q
[20:04] <Ionic`> hmm does this work for other stuff too?
[20:04] <Ionic`> !w Karlsruhe, Germany
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[20:04] <ZenoArrow> MasterGeek, it's completely above board, but just ridiculously hard to do without documentation.
[20:04] <Ionic`> oh indeed
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[20:04] <MasterGeek> i guess that would depend on your skill set
[20:04] <ZenoArrow> No, it is ridiculously hard for anyone.
[20:05] <ZenoArrow> Do you know how big the spec for GPUs are?
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[20:05] <ziltro2> Larger then the chip?
[20:06] <MasterGeek> sure, but PS3 GPU is much much larger, and still got hacked in the end
[20:06] <ZenoArrow> It's hard even if you have the documentation. It' take years to get a stable open-source driver using reverse engineering, unless you had a large amount of resources.
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[20:07] <ZenoArrow> MasterGeek, the PS3 got hacked, but I've seen no open-source GPU driver.
[20:07] <ZenoArrow> The two are not related.
[20:07] <MasterGeek> im generalizing,
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[20:07] <MasterGeek> my point is if theres a will theres a way
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[20:08] <ZenoArrow> No, you're claiming the GPU driver was cracked, which AFAIK it was not.
[20:08] <ZenoArrow> There's a chance I could build a rocket to take me to the moon in my spare time. Is it likely to happen any time soon? No.
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[20:09] <DaQatz> Heh you're underestimating the skill of reverse engineers today.
[20:09] <DaQatz> A total reverse takes a long time.
[20:10] <DaQatz> A usable one, is much quicker.
[20:10] <ZenoArrow> DaQatz, tell me about some big projects that reverse engineers have achieved recently then.
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[20:11] <reider59> the wheel?
[20:11] <w0m> ps3 usb crack?
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[20:12] <DaQatz> !g industrial reverse engineering
[20:12] <PiBot> DaQatz: http://www.amazon.com/Reverse-Engineering-Industrial-Perspective-Manufacturing/dp/184628855X - "Amazon.com: Reverse Engineering: An Industrial Perspective ..."
[20:12] <w0m> ps3's copy protection* was the key; the unique key went out
[20:12] <DaQatz> Woops just returns one link
[20:12] <MasterGeek> I just find it hilarious that the best info and resources NDA SDK kits came from disgruntled X employees of the sony dev team it self.that came to the aid of PS3
[20:12] <DaQatz> If you google it, there's A LOT of reversing done.
[20:13] <w0m> It's just a question of whether the RPI chatches the interest of the right people
[20:13] <DaQatz> And the RPI's GPU is not a big project. Unless you're 1 guy in a basement.
[20:14] <DaQatz> A medium sized team should be able to doc it in about a year.
[20:14] <ziltro2> Would it be possible, if reverse engineered enough, to turn on eg. MPEG2 playback?
[20:15] <ZenoArrow> DaQatz, that's not what I asked. I know there is a lot of reverse engineering done, but I was asking for big projects (on the level required to reverse engineer a highly proprietary complex device like the RPi GPU).
[20:15] <ziltro2> Or would that be turned off on a more hardware level, internal ROM?
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[20:15] <ZenoArrow> Anyway, got to go. Have fun.
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[20:15] <ReggieUK> the big thing with the pi is that they're not fighting someone like sony who will release more stuff with security patches in that you're required to download to play new games
[20:16] <DaQatz> ZenoArrow: Google "industrial reverse engineering"
[20:16] <DaQatz> There are many large proojects
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[20:16] <w0m> i've always wanted a pogoplug or similar
[20:17] <DaQatz> All non IBM x86 cpu's are do too reverse engineering.
[20:17] <w0m> rpi is more interesting not because of what it can do persay (for me at least) but for how interested in it other people are
[20:17] <DaQatz> The bios to be exact
[20:17] <w0m> As in; Raspian, open elec; arch; theres already 10 distros being actively worked on. For something like this it's a first to have that level of community behidn it
[20:17] <ziltro2> And now we have SeaBIOS. :)
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[21:08] <Amadiro> Evening. I'm setting up a headless raspberry pi (B) with raspbian and just booted it from the SD image, does anybody happen to know the default password for login via SSH?
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[21:08] <Mco> raspberry
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[21:09] <Amadiro> Mco, user "root"?
[21:09] <Mco> user pi
[21:09] <Mco> use sudo for root, no password needed
[21:09] <Amadiro> Mco, perfect, thanks.
[21:11] <nx5> hi
[21:11] <nx5> i've seen conflicting reports about some class 10 sd cards
[21:11] <nx5> are the problems solved? or not? only for some cards?
[21:11] <SwK> I had a problem with a class 10 card, but it turned out that my image was hosed up
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[21:16] <thealphanerd> has anyone played with gps over uart with their pi?
[21:17] <javispedro> nx5: I'm using a Sandisk class 10 card without problems, using Raspbian downloaded a month ago
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[21:20] <nx5> javispedro do you know the exact model number? i was thinking of buying a sandisk card too
[21:21] <SwK> I
[21:21] <markbook> I think (from my experience) that the Class 10 problems at least with the cards I have are resolved with the most recent kernels.
[21:21] <SwK> I'm using the cheap 4G class 10 sandisk i got off the shelf at walmart heh
[21:21] <javispedro> nx5: it's the extreme 16GiB 45MiB/s one
[21:21] <markbook> didn't work 4 weeks ago, work now.
[21:21] <[SLB]> UHS-I Extreme
[21:21] <[SLB]> yes that one
[21:21] <nx5> thanks javispedro
[21:22] <thealphanerd> I use transcend myself
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[21:29] <[SLB]> hm i was reading the verified peripherals page, and at the moment i'm using a kingmax micro sd card. one of them (althought mine is 8gb) says won`t reboot when it`s hot
[21:29] <[SLB]> and sometimes it really seems to happen to me too
[21:29] <[SLB]> anyone else with sd card in general is experiencing this?
[21:29] <FUZxxl> Hi guys!
[21:29] <[SLB]> hi
[21:29] <FUZxxl> Is there a way to change the interlacing settings for composite output?
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[21:32] <thealphanerd> has any managed to get usb hubs to work?
[21:32] <thealphanerd> I've tried two and both have caused all sorts of kernel weirdness (one was from the suggested list)
[21:34] <lupinedk> Tried a Sandberg usb 3.0 powered, got -71 dmesg errors
[21:34] <lupinedk> getting a belkin in tommorow for tests
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[21:36] <Matt> powered usb hubs do work
[21:36] <lenz> hello guys!
[21:37] <Matt> however depending on how they're designed some work and some cause issues
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[21:37] <lenz> I want to ask simple question, anyway I know the answer
[21:37] <lenz> but must ask
[21:37] <FUZxxl> Anybody has an idea about that interlacing stuff
[21:38] <lenz> why the image file of arch linux contains vfat?
[21:39] <lenz> after some times, when I power off computer, I loose some folders like /etc
[21:39] <lenz> does anybody knows, is there possible to use ext3?
[21:39] <Matt> you're doing a clean shutdown, right?
[21:40] <lenz> Matt, sometimes electricity goes you know
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[21:40] <lupinedk> thats why we have UPS
[21:40] <lenz> lupinedk, this is not solution
[21:40] <lenz> why not ext3?
[21:41] <lupinedk> works here :(
[21:41] <lupinedk> :)
[21:41] <lupinedk> even though power only goes 1-2 every year, usually at thunderstorms
[21:41] <lenz> works fine maybe, but, vfat is not safe anyway
[21:42] <lenz> lupinedk, come to us in Georgia ))))
[21:42] <lenz> you are wellcome ))))
[21:42] <lenz> I had installed GPS tracking system
[21:42] <lenz> and now everything lost
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[21:43] <lenz> my configs of php, apache
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[21:43] <lenz> whole database
[21:44] <lenz> this is not easy to config anyway
[21:44] <lupinedk> thats the reason to keep backups
[21:44] <lenz> someone tried to use journaling file system?
[21:45] <lenz> lupinedk, friend, i will do that!
[21:45] <lenz> but anyway, whu not ext3?
[21:46] <Mco> don't know about arch, but raspbian has ext4 on rootfs (and vfat on boot)
[21:46] <lenz> Mco, raspbian is too heavy for PI
[21:47] <Matt> eh? say what?
[21:47] <Matt> too heavy?
[21:47] <lenz> I really love debian
[21:47] <Mco> you can remove X from it
[21:47] <lenz> but I don't need to have on hard dist xorg
[21:47] <Matt> so remove it?
[21:48] <lenz> but there is not only xorg
[21:48] <lenz> lxde...
[21:48] <lenz> programs for media
[21:49] <lenz> players, and also, how much memory uses raspbian withouth X?
[21:49] <lenz> arch uses only 24 mb for system
[21:49] <lenz> if I'm right
[21:50] <lupinedk> iam using 48MB with oscam, mumble and znc running
[21:50] <lenz> you are right?
[21:50] <lenz> sorry
[21:50] <lenz> you are sure?
[21:50] <lupinedk> yup
[21:51] <lenz> only 48 megs for os?
[21:51] <lupinedk> root@raspberrypi:~# free
[21:51] <lupinedk> total used free shared buffers cached
[21:51] <lupinedk> Mem: 236872 222456 14416 0 6988 166908
[21:51] <lupinedk> -/+ buffers/cache: 48560 188312
[21:51] <lupinedk> Swap: 102396 0 102396
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[21:51] <lenz> heh, swap
[21:51] <lenz> Arch does not have swap partition
[21:51] <lupinedk> aaand?
[21:51] <lenz> yeh, ur right
[21:52] <lenz> will try to use raspbian
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[21:52] <lenz> but, big request for you
[21:52] <lenz> pls check
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[21:53] <lenz> is ext4 in raspbian?
[21:53] -NickServ- MABot!~b0tbocue-@static. has just authenticated as you (DataBot)
[21:53] <lenz> really is there?
[21:54] <mranostay> no that is a $5 addon
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[21:54] <Mco> /dev/mmcblk0p2 / ext4 defaults,noatime 0 0
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[21:58] <[SLB]> is it the noatime option always safe/meaningful to use?
[21:59] <FUZxxl> Does the raspberry pi's CPU has a integer division instruction?
[22:00] <sunkan> [SLB]: I seem to remember that some apps don't work with it (example mutt I think), relatime should be safe though if I understand it correct.
[22:00] <[SLB]> ah nice thanks
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[22:01] <sunkan> [SLB]: I have used noatime on various computers many years without any issues that I know of..
[22:01] <mjr> sunkan, that's right
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[22:01] <[SLB]> nice thanks, i never paid attention to that option before eheh
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[22:02] <lenz> Mco, thnx
[22:02] <Iota> I've just put raspberryip.org and raspberryip.com on freedns, help yourselves. :-)
[22:02] <mjr> yeah I tend to just use noatime myself, it's not many apps that want the atime functionality
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[22:02] <Iota> They probably won't show for a while actually.
[22:02] <mjr> (and most of those can be mollified by relatime, as said)
[22:03] <InControl> only problem I have encountered with notatime is with a spam filtering tool on a mail server, other than that as i am using SSD's on most systems I always set noatime.
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[22:03] <Iota> http://freedns.afraid.org/domain/registry/?q=raspberryip
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[22:10] <[SLB]> if i want to move the whole sistem from an sd to another, do i just dd the card node to an image and dd back to the new sd card node?
[22:11] <ziltro2> That would work as long as teh new card is the same size or larger.
[22:12] <ziltro2> If you have two SD card readers in one machine you could do it directly, but that's probably as common as two floppy drives. :)
[22:12] <[SLB]> yes
[22:12] <[SLB]> right eheh
[22:12] <[SLB]> and say if the size of the second card is smaller?
[22:13] <[SLB]> it's not the case, but just out of curiosity
[22:14] <ziltro2> Then it wouldn't fit?
[22:14] <ziltro2> You could resize the partitions on the origina to make it smaller first.
[22:14] <Matt> quite
[22:14] <ziltro2> Assuming you haven't filled the disk/partition up.
[22:14] <Matt> or dd an image and do that mucking about in the image
[22:14] <[SLB]> ah ok, yes have to resize the partition beforehand. i thought there was some way to just exclude empty space by itself
[22:15] <ziltro2> You can with options in dd.
[22:15] <Matt> well the partition still needs to be smaler
[22:15] <ziltro2> dd bs=x count=y
[22:15] <Matt> otherwise the end of the partition will be off the end of the device
[22:15] <Matt> and the kernel gets a bit upset when that happens
[22:15] <[SLB]> and is it fine to just truncate where the count stops at?
[22:16] <[SLB]> i agree that the best way is to resize the partition beforehand
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[22:19] <Matt> if you just truncate it without resizing the filesystem and partition beforehand you'll end up with an inconsistent (and possibly corrupt) filesystem
[22:20] <ziltro2> You have to resize the partition.
[22:20] <ziltro2> There might be files at the end!
[22:20] <ziltro2> Adn they'll fall off.
[22:20] <[SLB]> that's what i thought too
[22:20] <[SLB]> yes ehe
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[22:22] <MasterGeek> ACTION is away: Don't follow me back to reality you might not get back out if you do.
[22:22] <wad> I got my pi yesterday, and brought it into work today. Hooked it up to a monitor, speakers, etc., and you should see the crowds of people at my desk all morning...
[22:22] <wad> I went up three levels in geek today.
[22:22] <wad> :)
[22:23] <lupinedk> hehe nice
[22:24] <wad> If only I had some 1080p videos to play on it. I just have one lame documentary handy. *sigh*
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[22:30] <GriffenJBS> wad: http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/
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[22:32] <wad> GriffenJBS, huh?
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[22:37] <frustro> nice, got the arch dd over, booted. checked my dhcp server ssh'd in. pacman -Syu, updated to alarmpi 3.1.9-33-ARCH+, got my dev packages installed. i'm good to go!
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[22:40] <thealphanerd> wahoo got uart gps working with gpsd and node.js
[22:40] <thealphanerd> :D
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[23:16] <Iota> yournamehere.raspberryip.org free. :-)
[23:16] <Iota> Or .com.
[23:17] <Iota> Just head over to the domain and read the freedns info. I bought the domains buy cba with any sort of project anymore.
[23:17] <Iota> So go enjoy all the subdomains that you like.
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[23:18] <Iota> Good with DynDNS, so you can remote access whilst out and about.
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[23:22] <Iota> http://freedns.afraid.org/domain/registry/?q=raspberryip
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[23:25] <MasterGeek> dyndns would be ok, if they didnt make you rereg every 28 days
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[23:26] <Iota> Cron a script. :-P
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[23:31] <Iota> Welcome back!
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[23:33] <MasterGeek> ty
[23:33] <MycoRunner> so is element 14 currently the best place to buy a model B in the US?
[23:33] <MycoRunner> in terms of wait time?
[23:34] <MasterGeek> yer much better than RS
[23:34] <plugwash> the farnell group currently seem to have pretty much cleared their backlog
[23:34] <plugwash> while the same can't be said of the RS guys
[23:34] <teus> lol, i have somebody here playing Q3 on his raspberry
[23:34] <teus> quake 3
[23:34] <MycoRunner> alright
[23:35] <plugwash> I think it's because here in the UK RS are selling them a fair bit cheaper than farnell for bulk orders so any non-time sensitive bulk orders are going RS's way
[23:36] <MycoRunner> hm
[23:37] <MycoRunner> 5 week wait is still crappy
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[23:37] <MycoRunner> but better than paying twice the retail price on ebay
[23:37] <plugwash> I dunno for sure the situation in the US but the headline lead times farnell are quoting in the UK seem to be highly pessimistic
[23:37] <lupinedk> MycoRunner even though it says 5 weeks, reports are saying that they ships day to day
[23:37] <MasterGeek> you could always resort to ebay with next day delivery but price is averaging ?55
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[23:40] <MycoRunner> the wait might be worth it to give me some time to plan the set up
[23:40] <MycoRunner> btw, I've asked this before but I'm still a little confused, how does the bootloader work with RPi? Do they give any info on it?
[23:40] <MycoRunner> some type of uBoot?
[23:41] <plugwash> the bootloader is part of the GPU firmware, as such it's closed source :(
[23:41] <plugwash> The SOC on the Pi is a little strange, it's more of a GPU with an arm bolted on than an arm with a GPU bolted on
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[23:43] <thealphanerd> has anyone ever had their raspberry pi freeze up when running ifconfig or ifup for a wifi adapter
[23:44] <MasterGeek> yer untill i changed my power supply
[23:44] <thealphanerd> what did you change the power supply to?
[23:44] <MycoRunner> plugwash: So THAT'S why i can't get any info on it!
[23:44] <MasterGeek> 5v 5a
[23:44] <thealphanerd> 5 amp
[23:44] <thealphanerd> wowaweewa
[23:44] <friggle> MycoRunner: there is a u-boot port though
[23:45] <MasterGeek> yer but i got a few things running off it as well as the pi
[23:45] <friggle> MycoRunner: see http://kernelnomicon.org/
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[23:48] <MasterGeek> harddrive, pi-phone, hub, cam, wifi, keyboard, mouse a multi sd card reader and dvb TV
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[23:48] <MasterGeek> oh and a pickit programmer
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[23:55] <javispedro> apart from omxplayer with subtitles, has anyone done any experiments with subtitle rendering in omx "surfaces"?
[23:55] <javispedro> e.g. with gst-omx ?
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[23:59] <friggle> javispedro: not to my knowledge. In fact I haven't really see anyone do much with gst-omx
[23:59] <friggle> javispedro: I don't think it supports rendering to texture for one thing

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