#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-08-03

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[0:00] <friggle> which is an extension supported on the pi which a lot of people want to use
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[0:16] <javispedro> friggle: gst-omx seems to only output to fbdev, so compositing with stuff also drawn to fbdev seems possible
[0:17] <javispedro> friggle: but I ponder how to also draw if I use OMX to render too.
[0:17] <javispedro> learning, learning, maybe I'll get the omx il spec :) (huge!)
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[0:21] <javispedro> also, gst-omx is ultra slow rendering to fbdevsink.
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[0:42] <izibi> does anyone have a good idea how to secure a rpi to a flat surface upside-down? (i want to mount it below a table)
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[0:48] <HumpBack> Hello all. Is there any special Raspbmc support channel?
[0:50] <Stoob> #raspbmc
[0:50] <chithead> http://www.raspbmc.com/contact/ says that questions should be directed to their forum
[0:50] <Stoob> probably
[0:50] <Stoob> izibi: I have an idea, let me see if I can describe it well
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[0:53] <Stoob> izibi: is it going to have a case on it?
[0:54] <plugwash> izibi, make support peices with slots in out of some insulating material
[0:54] <plugwash> slide the support peices onto the edge of the board and screw them to the surface
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[0:55] <bakers> Does anyone know how to enable IPV6 in the raspbian build?
[0:56] <plugwash> I think you just need to load the ipv6 module
[0:56] <bakers> plugwash: any idea what it's called?
[0:56] <plugwash> just ipv6 I think
[0:56] <izibi> Stoob: i don't have a case at the moment, but i might get one if there is one that fits in that situation
[0:57] <ziltro2> yeah, 'sudo modprobe ipv6' seemed to work here in Raspbian.
[0:59] <ziltro2> I'm compiling a kernel on my RPi!
[0:59] <ziltro2> I doubt it'll work though.
[0:59] <ziltro2> There's an official kernel git tree isn't there? What's special in there?
[0:59] <chithead> now that you have ipv6 module loaded, you have even less memory for compiling
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[0:59] <ziltro2> Support for ALSA sound device? Or is it the CUP its self?
[0:59] <ziltro2> Or CPU.
[1:00] <chithead> support for the broadcom soc and its peripherals
[1:00] <ziltro2> So only a little bit fundamental then?
[1:00] <bakers> Aha solved my own problem: /rm etc/modprobe.d/ipv6.conf
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[1:01] <Stoob> izibi: yeah a case could be good especially if you like screw webbed straps onto the bottom or sometihng
[1:01] <izibi> plugwash: where would you place these pieces? there's so little space arount the edges
[1:02] <Stoob> I was figuring some of those plastic L shaped hooks with nails in them
[1:03] <izibi> the rpi really misses some holes for screws
[1:03] <chithead> too expensive ;)
[1:03] <izibi> really?
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[1:03] <izibi> would this make such a big difference in price?
[1:04] <ziltro2> There's 4 layers of circuitey.
[1:04] <Stoob> they wanted to make it credit card sized, and holes would increase the pcb size pretty annoyingly
[1:04] <ziltro2> I doubt there's room for them.
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[1:04] <Stoob> it would be nice if they were there
[1:04] <Stoob> but i can understand why they're not
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[1:08] <plugwash> izibi, there are lots of cases that support the Pi with insulating peices slotted on the side, there is just about enough space to slot a support peice on every side though the peices can't be very big
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[1:14] <izibi> is there anything wrong with running the rpi in the antistatic bag it came with and screwing that on the table? :D
[1:15] <plugwash> In general you shouldn't run electronics in antistatic bags
[1:15] <Stoob> this is true
[1:16] <javispedro> it might even overheat
[1:16] <Stoob> Antistatic bags have a tendency to be electrically conductive
[1:16] <plugwash> being conductive is good for protecting from static damage in transit, but not good once you apply power......
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[1:17] <Stoob> izibi: could always dremel a slot in a block of wood
[1:17] <ziltro2> Also you'll get complaints for screwing things to a table.
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[1:18] <izibi> ziltro2: it a 5 buck table from ikea ;)
[1:20] <thealphanerd> anyone here done i2c stuff yet?
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[1:22] * plugwash has done i2c but not on linux
[1:22] <thealphanerd> ditto
[1:22] <thealphanerd> done it with arduino
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[1:37] <ishpeck> Anybody know if there's been success putting this on an RPi? http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/arm.html
[1:37] <MasterGeek> ACTION is away: Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too be-hatch
[1:39] <Vibe> ishpeck: nope, but netbsd seems to work on RPi
[1:39] <ishpeck> Cool. Maybe I'll try that.
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[1:56] <ishpeck> "I think a gynecology text book rivals her thirty minute speech for vagina references." http://youtu.be/wuJJuK7ADk8
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[2:03] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[2:10] * prpplague throws some prozac to ReggieUK
[2:13] <ReggieUK> hi
[2:14] <ReggieUK> wassup?
[2:14] <ReggieUK> why do I need prozac?
[2:14] <IT_Sean> it couldn't hurt
[2:14] <prpplague> ReggieUK: thought i'd reduce you "meds" from thorazine to prozac
[2:14] <ReggieUK> I want thorazine and prozac if we're going there at all
[2:15] <prpplague> hehe
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[2:22] <mranostay> prpplague: throw one this way
[2:23] <prpplague> mranostay: you don't get jack
[2:23] <mranostay> ok how about a swig of rum?
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[2:24] <prpplague> mranostay: that you can have, just not the extra old
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[2:56] <mranostay> prpplague: it all tastes the same
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[3:05] <ka6sox> mranostay, like Chicken?
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[3:37] <DaQatz> Whois trying to "register" on my bot?
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[3:42] <ReggieUK> awww bless em
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[3:49] <timg> hello
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[3:57] <timg> I put Raspbian ???wheezy??? on a http://goo.gl/mTQe6 and put it in the rpi, powered it up and plugged it into the hdmi to dvi adapter into my dell monitor
[3:57] <timg> the monitor acts like nothing is plugged in
[3:57] <timg> am I doing something wrong
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[4:01] <flaccid> timg: most likely the image was not burned correctly to the sd card
[4:01] <timg> flaccid, ok I'll look into that thanks
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[4:03] <ReggieUK> timg, do you see any lights come on on the pi?
[4:03] <ReggieUK> that's the first thing to check
[4:04] <ReggieUK> if you don't see the green ok light flash (to the left of the red power led) then it could be an incorrectly burnt image
[4:04] <timg> ReggieUK: yep the red light is on
[4:04] <timg> turns out I'm an idiot and just copied the .img to the flash disk
[4:05] <ReggieUK> aha!
[4:05] <ReggieUK> at least you've learnt how to spot an idiot
[4:05] <timg> :)
[4:05] <ReggieUK> it's a useful skill
[4:05] <markbook> I practice by looking in the mirror ;-)
[4:05] <ReggieUK> me too
[4:06] <ReggieUK> I prefer to do all my idioting on my own
[4:06] <ReggieUK> when no one is looking
[4:07] <flaccid> the other one is accidentally burning to a part dev and not the whole disk dev
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[4:07] <ReggieUK> the other one is burning it to a hdd cos you mixed up sdb and sdc
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[4:08] <flaccid> lol
[4:09] <markbook> I think that was my very first sysadmin mistake in my career many years ago
[4:09] <markbook> dd if=blankdisk of=systemdisk
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[4:10] <timg> hmm
[4:10] <timg> win32 diskimager is not listing any drives to write to :/
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[4:12] <flaccid> use a real os :)
[4:13] <Tobias|> Hmm, Windows is imaginary apparently
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[4:17] <timg> flaccid: yea, I know.. just too lazy to get to the desktop right now
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[4:19] <flaccid> its not imaginary its just a pile of shit
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[4:21] <yehnan> excuse me, do you know the name of the designer on th left? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35616101/p_three%20stages.jpg
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[4:38] <timg> silent internet on a full monitor
[4:38] <timg> tihs shits crazy
[4:38] <three14> Anyone using the RPi as a Bluetooth hotspot?
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[4:41] <three14> Considering it so I can save battery power on my tablets since WiFi uses a bit more power.
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[4:49] <flaccid> anyone using pi for seti@home ?
[4:49] <nevyn> is that sensible?
[4:50] <flaccid> it was a joke :)
[4:50] <nevyn> ok
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[4:50] <three14> Lol, I used to use a Celeron 366 for it.
[4:50] <three14> It was Einstein@Home, though.
[4:51] <three14> Looming for dark matter I think.
[4:51] <three14> Looking *
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[4:51] <nevyn> we found some
[4:51] <three14> If you could offload the work to the GPU, it might be a bit faster. I could be wrong.
[4:52] <nevyn> we even found a dark fillament
[4:52] <nevyn> faster than a x86_64 with thecheapest nvidia card money can buy running cuda?
[4:53] <three14> It was early 2000s when I used that Celeron. It was the only extra machine I had. Was an emachine.
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[4:58] <three14> So who else is stoked about the Curiosity rover?
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[5:01] <mrdragons> three14: I'm install flash just in case there's a live feed. :P
[5:01] <mrdragons> installing*
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[5:02] <three14> Watching a live stream documentary from Griffith Observatory atm
[5:02] <three14> Talking about Spirit and Opportunity right now
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[5:12] <mrdragons> I
[5:12] <mrdragons> 'm really worried about it landing though
[5:12] <mrdragons> there's too much to go wrong
[5:13] <three14> The same was said about MER, but both rovers survived and well exceeded warranty.
[5:13] <three14> But I am worried too.
[5:15] <three14> I was upset when Spirit died.
[5:15] <ziltro2> There's a landing happening soon?
[5:15] <three14> In 3 days
[5:16] <three14> YouTube search: Seven Minutes of Terror
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[5:16] <ziltro2> Oh wow I haven't been paying attention to NASA... oops :)
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[5:17] <ziltro2> 05:31 UTC. Riighty.
[5:17] <three14> I know its silly to get upset over the rovers, but when you read news reports, status updates, watch the launch, etc. You can't help but feel connected to it in some way.
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[5:19] <ebswift> woah, 3 days?
[5:19] <three14> Aye
[5:20] <ziltro2> Want to watch it live, should be asleep thn
[5:20] <ziltro2> should be asleep now
[5:20] <ka6sox> going to stay up for 3days?
[5:20] <three14> 3 days is nothing, been waiting over 7mo for it to reach mars, I can suffer through work without having slept.
[5:21] <ziltro2> I mean at 05:31 UTC I should be asleep
[5:21] <three14> Haha, no, but I'm definitely excited and will watch live.
[5:22] <Jef91> Does anyone know if OMXPlayer supports any type of play/pause/exit functions?
[5:22] <ebswift> sweet, i think it's going to be 3:30pm for me
[5:22] <ziltro2> 06:31 here. :|
[5:23] <ziltro2> Jef91: I think I found 'q' and 'space
[5:23] <three14> I hate converting UTC to Eastern Standard. Can never remember if its UTC-4 or -5
[5:23] <ziltro2> Easier to work in UTC ;)
[5:23] <three14> Scumbag Daylight Saving
[5:23] <ziltro2> What we all need is two clocks...
[5:23] <mrdragons> Whoa, 500,000 lines of code? All this could be ruined with "Segmentation fault". :S
[5:24] <three14> Two clocks?! Are you mad? ;-)
[5:24] <Jef91> neither of those work here ziltro2
[5:24] <ebswift> heh, we voted daylight savings the fuck out
[5:24] <ziltro2> Three clocks? French Revolutionary Time too?
[5:24] <three14> I wish we would too.
[5:24] <three14> But we can't even ditch Imperial units.
[5:24] <ebswift> lol
[5:25] <three14> I love measuring things in inches and barley corns.
[5:25] <ebswift> though daylight savings is the only thing popular opinion has been able to change in recent years :/
[5:25] <ziltro2> That's 2 chains and 3 survey feet long.
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[5:25] <ebswift> nowadays the 'party represents popular opinion' so popular opinion no longer counts
[5:25] <three14> I switched to metric years ago for all of my projects, recipes, etc.
[5:26] <ziltro2> USA?
[5:26] <three14> Yep
[5:26] <ziltro2> USA do use metric in some places, like road building
[5:26] <ziltro2> I was supprised.
[5:26] <ebswift> i shifted to farenheit because it's a more granular measure
[5:27] <three14> But most manufacturing facilities use metric because its less problematic.
[5:27] <three14> In USA, I mean.
[5:27] <ebswift> farenheit same range more fine shift between whole numbers
[5:27] <ziltro2> Can't you just add decimals?
[5:27] <ziltro2> 5.0003??
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[5:28] <three14> Rolls right off the tongue
[5:28] <ebswift> decimals are fine, just that someone came up with the idea and it sounded like a good one
[5:28] <ziltro2> or 295.7485K
[5:28] <maicod> HidiPi
[5:28] <ziltro2> Well if you need accuracy...
[5:28] <ziltro2> Or, that level of accuracy#
[5:28] <three14> Wtf, no love for Rankine?
[5:29] <ebswift> talking measurements though... decimals are a hell of a lot easier to swallow than fractions
[5:29] <ziltro2> Fractions have sharp bits in the middle
[5:29] <ziltro2> And they go the wrong way
[5:29] * maicod wonders why some flash memory vendors fill all sectors with FF instead of 00
[5:30] <ziltro2> maicod: Erase sets the cells to binary 1. Write sets to 0. So 0b11111111 or 0xFF is the erased state.
[5:30] <ka6sox> three14, http://xkcd.com/695/
[5:31] <maicod> ziltro2: so flash memory that has 00 from factory has been written on ?
[5:31] <maicod> and FF is never touched
[5:31] <maicod> then
[5:31] <ebswift> ah, that landing is set for 3:31pm Monday here, not Sunday
[5:31] <nevyn> has anyone tried to build a new kernel for the rpi? particularly with -rt ?
[5:31] <three14> ka6sox, that's sad because Spirit died. :'(
[5:31] <ziltro2> maicod: Something like that, yeah.
[5:32] <maicod> ziltro2: I always assumed the other way around. so transcend is lazy :)
[5:32] <maicod> I peeked at my new USB stick and it has FF's
[5:32] <ziltro2> If you want to change a bit of flash memory and the only changes are 1 > 0 then you actually don't need to erase that block.
[5:32] <maicod> oh right. is it a trick to make the stick look faster the first time its used?
[5:32] <ziltro2> eg. 0b00001111 > 0b00000011 needs no erase.
[5:33] <ziltro2> It is the way flash works.
[5:33] <maicod> ok but most of my flash cards are 00 from factory
[5:33] <ziltro2> don't know why they decided that 'erased' was 1 and 'written' was 0.
[5:33] <maicod> :)
[5:33] <ziltro2> Probably because they have been tested then blanked.
[5:33] <maicod> OK
[5:34] <maicod> so maybe transcend hasnt done that
[5:34] <ziltro2> Or they know what they are doing and blanked it with 0xFF to save another erase being needed. :)
[5:34] <maicod> :)
[5:34] <maicod> yeah
[5:34] <maicod> ziltro: do usb sticks use MLC too?
[5:34] <maicod> I mean the cheaper ones
[5:35] <ziltro2> MLC? I don't know
[5:35] <maicod> ok
[5:35] <maicod> I wondered since mlc is worse than slc
[5:35] <maicod> mlc uses more bits in one cell or so
[5:35] <ziltro2> I learned this from flash chips used for booting, although it is similar technology.
[5:35] <maicod> good :)
[5:36] <ziltro2> Ah I didn't know about MLC.
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[5:44] <maicod> after formatting an ext2/3/4 does the whole area of the partition contain structures ? or can I just backup from sector 0 on the SD to a bit after the beginning of the last partition to save backup/restore time ? after writing raspbian wheezy to SD card (32 GB) I created a partition that fills the rest of the SD but I want to back it up but now it takes 32GB to backup. The last partition is still empty so I thought why not backup only the start
[5:45] <maicod> in short: I wonder if theres any data in ext4 throughout the whole area of the empty partition
[5:45] <maicod> or only in the beginning of it
[5:45] <maicod> like inodes :)
[5:46] <rtyler> rats, the netgear n150 wireless adapter I purchased seems to send the kernel in the debian raspberry image into a fit
[5:46] <rtyler> "failed to read register index" or some nonsense, seems to obliterate all USB devices >_<
[5:47] <maicod> rtyler: did u check in advance in verified pheripherals list ?
[5:47] <maicod> on the raspberry pi site
[5:47] <rtyler> indeed http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Wifi_Adapters
[5:47] <maicod> OK so then its weird that it fails
[5:47] <maicod> if its listed
[5:47] <rtyler> I wonder if the lack of a powered hub is what is making things go bonkers
[5:48] <maicod> rtyler: ohhhhhh
[5:48] <maicod> rtyler: it probably will!
[5:48] <maicod> rtyler: remove the mouse
[5:48] <maicod> put the wifi in the 2nd slot
[5:48] <maicod> and try it that way
[5:48] <rtyler> second slot o_O
[5:48] <maicod> use keyboard/wifi only in the 2 slots
[5:48] <maicod> usb slots
[5:48] <maicod> without a hub
[5:48] <rtyler> the adapter was plugged directly into the board
[5:48] <maicod> oh right
[5:48] <maicod> thats what I meant
[5:49] <maicod> so you had only a keyboard and the wifi ?
[5:49] <rtyler> technically this keyboard (apple) keyboard is a hub <_<
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[5:49] <maicod> :(((((
[5:49] <maicod> that sucks
[5:49] <maicod> got a simpler keyboard handy?
[5:49] <rtyler> heh
[5:49] <maicod> cheap usb keyboard :)
[5:49] <ziltro2> I do like the idea of in-keyboard hubs.
[5:49] <rtyler> perhaps, I should probably dig aroudn to find a powered hub
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[5:49] <maicod> rtyler: I bought this one
[5:49] <ziltro2> But I wonder why there's such a low limit of current out the RPi USB ports.
[5:49] <maicod> w8
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[5:50] <maicod> ziltro: has to do with the max 1A of the power source of the Pi
[5:50] <rtyler> gargh, my universal AC adapter doesn't have a 5V option either
[5:50] <rtyler> things are conspiring against me tonight :)
[5:51] <ziltro2> I used a floppy drive cable.
[5:51] <maicod> Ultron UHN-710 is the hub I bought
[5:51] <maicod> ouch
[5:51] <maicod> not enough ma's probably
[5:51] <maicod> you need a PSU for the Pi with 5volt/1A
[5:51] <ziltro2> Plugged one end into the 'GPIO' pins, pulled the connector off the other end and shoved the correct wires in an old server PSU.
[5:52] <maicod> hehe
[5:52] <rtyler> somehow I have three unpowered hubs readily at my disposal
[5:52] <rtyler> but zero powered hubs >_<
[5:52] <ziltro2> In its 'standby 5v' line
[5:52] <maicod> ofc rtyler :)
[5:52] <maicod> they haven't been sold much :)
[5:52] <maicod> powered ones
[5:53] <maicod> ziltro: how much mA does the PSU of your pc give on the floppy line?
[5:53] <Ionic`> maicod my sweet angel!
[5:53] <maicod> hi dear :) LOL
[5:53] <maicod> omg :)
[5:53] <ziltro2> maicod: I haven't measured it, but 1.5 A max I thinkis written on the case.
[5:54] <rtyler> deeper into the toybox I shall go then
[5:54] <rtyler> until I find something to give my wireless adapter juice!
[5:54] <maicod> ziltro: well if the Pi works in stable manner then its fine
[5:54] <ziltro2> It is from an old server, it is mahoosively large compared to the RPi.
[5:54] <ziltro2> I think its 'normal' 5V line can supply 28 A.
[5:55] <maicod> ionic: I got my hub but haven't yet unpacked the box
[5:55] <Ionic`> oh ok
[5:55] <maicod> ionic: also got my flash pen drive :)
[5:55] <Ionic`> I'm still compiling (though not GCC anymore)
[5:55] <maicod> 32GB jetflash 500 from transcend
[5:55] <Ionic`> so same old, same old
[5:55] <maicod> OK
[5:55] <Ionic`> lol
[5:55] <Ionic`> why do you need an USB pen drive?
[5:55] <rtyler> 4.7V! what rubbish is this! where do all these ac adapters come from!
[5:55] <maicod> ionic: I have found out something I don't like :(
[5:55] <maicod> oh just for my pc
[5:56] <maicod> not for the Pi
[5:56] <Ionic`> ah
[5:56] <Ionic`> ok
[5:56] <maicod> remember I needed 5 euros :)
[5:56] <Ionic`> 32GB is small for a pen drive
[5:56] <maicod> well it became 15 :)
[5:56] <Ionic`> ah
[5:56] <Ionic`> ok, nice
[5:56] <maicod> 15 for the pen drive
[5:56] <Ionic`> I can always use this stuff
[5:56] <Ionic`> true
[5:56] <Ionic`> what did you find out?
[5:56] <maicod> ionic: I bought extrememory 32GB class10 cause my pi's write speed was only 4.5 MB/sec
[5:57] <Ionic`> yeah
[5:57] <Ionic`> and?
[5:57] <maicod> ionic: now it looks like its the max the Pi can do !
[5:57] <Ionic`> uhm
[5:57] <Ionic`> no
[5:57] <maicod> cause its still that speed with the Extreme card
[5:57] <Ionic`> I get 18MB/s
[5:57] <Ionic`> with the same card
[5:57] <maicod> really ??????
[5:57] <Ionic`> yes
[5:57] <maicod> damn
[5:57] <Ionic`> really
[5:57] <Ionic`> forrealz bro
[5:57] <maicod> I'm busted fake card
[5:57] <maicod> I get
[5:57] <Ionic`> but there's a kernel problem
[5:57] <maicod> I bet
[5:57] <maicod> oh
[5:57] <maicod> I used the old raspbian
[5:57] <Ionic`> no idea what raspbian uses
[5:58] <maicod> the one from 26-4
[5:58] <maicod> is it the culprit?
[5:58] <Ionic`> yeah, the bug got fixed some weeks ago or so
[5:58] <maicod> oh right
[5:58] <maicod> cause I did this:
[5:58] <Ionic`> at least SD speed improved
[5:58] <maicod> dd count=100 bs=10M if=/dev/zero of=/p4/test.img >/large- 2>&1
[5:59] <maicod> '/p4 is a partition I made with gparted
[5:59] <maicod> result was 4.6 MB/sec :(
[5:59] <Ionic`> uhm
[5:59] <Ionic`> could you please use hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0?
[5:59] <Ionic`> that's what I tested with
[5:59] <maicod> I did used hdparm -t
[5:59] <maicod> usew
[6:00] <maicod> use
[6:00] <maicod> damn
[6:00] <maicod> sorry for the typos
[6:00] <maicod> what does -tT add ?
[6:00] <Ionic`> hey, you're not even drunk, I am!
[6:00] <maicod> heheh
[6:00] <maicod> Im too restless thats it :)
[6:00] <Ionic`> one of those was for buffered reads, the other for caches reads iirc
[6:00] <maicod> too eager to tell you stuff
[6:00] <Ionic`> *cached
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[6:00] <Ionic`> man hdparm
[6:00] <maicod> ah mine used cached I believe
[6:01] <maicod> but my Pi is currently not connected (living room is cleaned up :P)
[6:01] <maicod> I can test it tomorrow night ok?
[6:01] <maicod> will tell ya then
[6:01] <Ionic`> -T is cached -t is buffered
[6:01] <maicod> I did -t
[6:01] <maicod> cause someone told me
[6:01] <Ionic`> well, I guess you need to use -T with -t
[6:01] <maicod> I will :)
[6:02] <Ionic`> let's see
[6:02] <Ionic`> no
[6:02] <Ionic`> wait
[6:02] <maicod> how do I know my extremory isnt a fake ?
[6:02] <Ionic`> -t is fine
[6:02] <maicod> oh it said 4.5
[6:02] <Ionic`> it'll not test cached reading
[6:02] <Ionic`> but you don't need that anyway
[6:02] <maicod> small blocks test gave same result !
[6:02] <Ionic`> I don't think Amazon would ever sell fake cards
[6:02] <Ionic`> or was it ebay?
[6:02] <Ionic`> even then...
[6:02] <Ionic`> was it wrapped?
[6:03] <maicod> dd count=250K bs=4K if=/dev/zero of=/p4/test.img >/boot/small- 2>&1
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[6:03] <maicod> ebay
[6:03] <maicod> it was in a orginial looking box/card
[6:03] <Ionic`> uname -a?
[6:03] <maicod> you mean with the card inserted ?
[6:03] <Ionic`> I don't care
[6:03] <Ionic`> with the raspi booted
[6:03] <Ionic`> I wanna see the kernel version
[6:03] <maicod> oh
[6:04] <Ionic`> your best chance is to upgade
[6:04] <maicod> sorry as I said its not connected
[6:04] <Ionic`> *upgrade, meh
[6:04] <maicod> OK I will
[6:04] <maicod> raspbian wheezy?
[6:04] <maicod> the stupid thing I find of wheezy is that the repo is so small :(
[6:04] <maicod> the nr of progs being compiled for it
[6:04] <qnm> hi, is anyone running raspbmc here?
[6:05] <MasterGeek> yer
[6:05] * MasterGeek is back (gone 04:27:29)
[6:05] <ziltro2> I just tried 'hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0' on my Raspbian...
[6:05] <maicod> and ?
[6:05] <MasterGeek> rocks
[6:05] <ziltro2> Timing cached reads: 282 MB in 2.01 seconds = 140.38 MB/sec
[6:05] <ziltro2> Timing buffered disk reads: 46 MB in 3.13 seconds = 14.68 MB/sec
[6:05] <maicod> wow
[6:05] <ziltro2> Is that good?
[6:06] <maicod> I get 4.5 :)
[6:06] <Ionic`> ziltro2: it's... not great, but good enough
[6:06] <maicod> what card you using ziltro2 ?
[6:06] <qnm> MasterGeek: how are you controlling it remotely? are you using libcec?
[6:06] <Ionic`> max speed is about 21MB/s, if the wiki information is correct
[6:06] <MasterGeek> mouse
[6:06] <qnm> ah, fair enough
[6:06] <maicod> aha so not 4.5 :)
[6:06] <rtyler> looks like just plugging in a mouse and the network adapter doesn't entirely kill the machine, but USB interactivity with the mouse is horrendous
[6:07] <maicod> I feared something was limiting to 4.5 :) probably is with the old kernel
[6:07] <ziltro2> 16 GB class 6...
[6:07] <maicod> rtyler: yeah the wifi eats too much juice
[6:07] <rtyler> I spoke too soon, it's locked up
[6:07] <rtyler> crap
[6:07] <maicod> ziltro: OK
[6:07] <maicod> rtyler: you need a powered hub
[6:08] <maicod> ziltro: ionic and me got the extremory 32GB class10
[6:08] <maicod> extrememory :)
[6:08] <rtyler> the only one I have at hand is a monitor which is for another machine, this might severely hamper my raspberry tinkering tonight
[6:08] <ziltro2> Hmm dmesg doesn't show the model number like it does for ... all other drives
[6:08] <maicod> rtyler: hookup a utp wire for now ?
[6:09] <Ionic`> maicod: I really don't think anyone is selling "fake" SD cards, but alas, I made you a nekkid picture
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[6:09] <maicod> oh cool :)
[6:09] <rtyler> maicod: utp?
[6:09] <maicod> rtyler: a ethernet wire
[6:09] <ziltro2> There are fake USB sticks, and I think SD cards too
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[6:10] <Ionic`> uh
[6:10] <maicod> ionic: it might be the old kernel I used
[6:10] <Ionic`> my camera has to re-sync over USB :(
[6:10] <rtyler> maicod: ah, i'd have to run it from one end of the house to the other :P, I'm going to dig aroudn some more to see if I can find /anything/ that will help
[6:10] <Ionic`> maicod: it probably is
[6:10] <maicod> ionic: will test more thoroughly in about 18 hours :)
[6:10] <rtyler> and then I'm going to bring my powered hub home from work tomorrow <_<
[6:10] <Ionic`> I installed some "custom firmware" and meh...
[6:10] <ziltro2> Fake as in they've made the controller say there's more flash memory attached than there actually is
[6:10] <Ionic`> had to repartition
[6:10] <Ionic`> now it's re-downloading all my nekkid pics
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[6:10] <Ionic`> and those two videos
[6:11] <maicod> ionic: I like nekkid pics of another sexe :)
[6:11] <Ionic`> lol
[6:11] <maicod> hehe
[6:11] <MasterGeek> who said you cant git a 16bit display running muhahahahaha http://thepifactory.org/images/piphone/SH102671.JPG
[6:11] <Ionic`> I can't offer that
[6:11] <maicod> OK then forget about yours LOL
[6:11] <maicod> your drunk Ionic :)
[6:11] <Ionic`> maicod: no, I'm not
[6:12] <maicod> u said b4 :)
[6:12] <Ionic`> I drank a beer, after more than 8 months
[6:12] <maicod> oh thats cool
[6:12] <maicod> or did you drink a bear ?
[6:12] <maicod> :)
[6:12] <ziltro2> Is that whole display being driven by SPI?
[6:12] <Ionic`> I hope not
[6:13] <MasterGeek> yup
[6:13] <Ionic`> I'd rather punch the bear in its face (if you get the reference?)
[6:13] <maicod> ionic: the debian wheezy didnt have packages like 'mc' (midnight commander) . it has less packages in the repo for it it seems. am I right ?
[6:13] <maicod> sure :)
[6:13] <ziltro2> That seems difficult...
[6:13] <Ionic`> http://juneauempire.com/local/2011-08-30/woman-punches-bear-save-her-dog < that
[6:14] <maicod> or do I need to extend the list where apt-get searches ?
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[6:14] <Ionic`> maicod: uhm I don't know?
[6:14] <maicod> oh :)
[6:14] <Ionic`> I haven't used Debian on raspi
[6:14] <maicod> still arch?
[6:14] <Ionic`> maybe mc wasn't ported/build for arm but I doubt that
[6:14] <Ionic`> I'm currently working on Gentoo
[6:14] <maicod> it is for the older debian from 26-4
[6:14] <maicod> oh
[6:15] <Ionic`> doesn't raspbian has something like p.d.o?
[6:15] <maicod> sorry 19-4-2012
[6:15] <maicod> ionic: I like mc :)
[6:15] <maicod> and mcedit
[6:15] <Ionic`> raspbian *does* have mc
[6:15] <Ionic`> http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/m/mc/
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[6:15] <Ionic`> in the main pool, it seems
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[6:15] <maicod> oh cool then it might have gone wrong
[6:16] <Ionic`> did you sync before installing?
[6:16] <Ionic`> apt-get update
[6:16] <maicod> whats the package name then?
[6:16] <maicod> I think I did
[6:16] <Ionic`> apt-get install mc
[6:16] <maicod> oh well retrying in 18 hours
[6:16] <maicod> when i've slept :)
[6:16] <Ionic`> sorry that I can't be around during university time
[6:16] <maicod> friday-night
[6:16] <Ionic`> I'd like to but something's weird
[6:17] <maicod> ionic: I'm not here overdays either
[6:17] <maicod> uebertags ?
[6:17] <Ionic`> university-time == over night :p
[6:17] <maicod> sorry for the english word its bad I know
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[6:17] <Ionic`> tagsueber
[6:17] <maicod> ah :)
[6:17] <maicod> overdag we say
[6:17] <Ionic`> during daytime I'm asleep
[6:17] <maicod> so you aren;t here friday nights ?
[6:17] <maicod> yeah I meant the same !
[6:17] <maicod> I'm like that too
[6:17] <Ionic`> nah, I'm at university
[6:18] <maicod> so I am here at the same times as you
[6:18] <Ionic`> and can't connect to freenode for some weird reason
[6:18] <Ionic`> well, I *can* connect
[6:18] <maicod> so are you here in the weekends ?
[6:18] <Ionic`> but my connection to freenode goes stale right after
[6:18] <Ionic`> sure
[6:18] <maicod> evenings
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[6:18] <Ionic`> oh, wait, saturday will be difficult
[6:18] <maicod> oh but what did you want to excuse your absense for then?
[6:18] <maicod> WHEN are you absent ?
[6:18] <Ionic`> meh, anyway, we'll read each other
[6:18] <maicod> and when present :)
[6:18] <maicod> yea
[6:19] <Ionic`> I'd still like to find out why I can't connect to freenode in university
[6:19] * maicod is like you, up in the evenings/nighttime
[6:19] <maicod> OK
[6:19] <Ionic`> it's really weird, as connecting to my server which proxying to IRCNet works fine
[6:19] <rtyler> Ionic`: chat.freenode.net port 8001 ;)
[6:19] <maicod> but that is only tagsueber right ?
[6:19] <Ionic`> no, at night :D
[6:19] <maicod> oh so tomorrow night you are in uni?
[6:20] <Ionic`> rtyler: I guess that had problems too
[6:20] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:20] <maicod> oh :*
[6:20] <maicod> :(
[6:20] <maicod> I see now
[6:20] <maicod> well I'll stuggle myself then :)
[6:20] <Ionic`> I'll try the webchat, but can remember it had the same problem as well
[6:20] <Ionic`> and if everything else fails, SSH tunnel it is
[6:20] <maicod> did they block the port ionic ?
[6:20] <maicod> heheh yeah
[6:20] <Ionic`> that's the weird part
[6:20] <Ionic`> they don't
[6:20] <maicod> oh
[6:21] <maicod> utp/udp both open?
[6:21] <Ionic`> the traffic just stops coming in one minute after I'm connected
[6:21] <maicod> oh
[6:21] <maicod> weird
[6:21] <Ionic`> connecting and maybe joining a channel works fine
[6:21] <Ionic`> but then, timeout
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[6:21] <maicod> setup the ssh/vpn tunnel then
[6:21] <Ionic`> I'd bet they are doing something fishy there
[6:21] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:21] <maicod> its not difficult is it ?
[6:21] <Ionic`> it's a 2-second-task
[6:22] <maicod> OK :)
[6:22] <maicod> only needs your pc to stay on in your home
[6:22] <Blaker1000> Hi. Has anyone here successfully mounted an external usb drive to their raspberry pi running Raspbian?
[6:22] <maicod> costs energy
[6:22] <maicod> I mean money for the energy
[6:22] <Ionic`> Blaker1000: yes, yes, no
[6:22] <maicod> I'm not an activist :)
[6:22] <maicod> haha
[6:23] <Blaker1000> Ionic`: no to raspbian?
[6:23] <maicod> blaker: sure why not ?
[6:23] <Ionic`> Blaker1000: indeed
[6:23] <maicod> oh you mean HDD ???
[6:23] <maicod> I meant usb stick
[6:23] <Blaker1000> yes a USB HDD
[6:23] <maicod> usb pen drive
[6:23] <maicod> blaker: u need a powered hub
[6:23] <Blaker1000> i have power
[6:23] <Ionic`> Blaker1000: then again, it depends. 2.5" or 3.5"? self-powered or bus-powered?
[6:23] <maicod> also extra ?
[6:23] <MasterGeek> Pi-Phone making calls > http://thepifactory.org/images/piphone/SH102668.JPG
[6:24] <maicod> hi MasterGeek
[6:24] <Blaker1000> I'm good on hardware. How do i do it within linux/raspbian?
[6:24] <MasterGeek> he maicod
[6:24] <maicod> cool !
[6:24] <maicod> I saw it :)
[6:24] <maicod> blaker: fdisk -l while root
[6:24] <maicod> find the right /dev
[6:24] <Blaker1000> yes it shows up as /dev/sda1
[6:24] <maicod> and right partition
[6:25] <maicod> say /dev/sda1
[6:25] <Blaker1000> yep
[6:25] <maicod> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[6:25] <maicod> thats it
[6:25] <Ionic`> maicod: http://ionic.de/nekkid_pic_for_maicod.jpg
[6:25] <MasterGeek> lol
[6:25] <maicod> ionic: cool !
[6:25] <Blaker1000> maicod: and how to have it automount for when the RPI reboots?
[6:25] <maicod> ionic: will take a nekkid pic of mine
[6:25] <Ionic`> nice!
[6:25] <maicod> blaker: nano etc/fstab
[6:25] <maicod> and add
[6:25] <maicod> ehm
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[6:26] <maicod> '/dev/sda<tab>/mountpoint<tab>ext4 (I guess you used that) defaults 0 0
[6:26] <maicod> or is it fat32 ?
[6:26] <maicod> ionic: thats vfat huh?
[6:26] <Blaker1000> its NTFS
[6:26] <Ionic`> dunno?
[6:26] <maicod> oh ehmmmmmm
[6:26] <Ionic`> lol
[6:26] <Blaker1000> for windows compat
[6:26] <Ionic`> forget about NTFS
[6:27] <maicod> ionicL what is ntfs in fstab?
[6:27] <Ionic`> ntfs-3g but...
[6:27] <Ionic`> well
[6:27] <Ionic`> he'll probably need to install it first
[6:27] <maicod> can't use it ?
[6:27] <maicod> oh damn
[6:27] <MasterGeek> <file system><mount point><type><options><dump><pass>
[6:27] <Ionic`> and it's /dev/sda1
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[6:27] <Ionic`> ????
[6:27] <Ionic`> no
[6:28] <Blaker1000> yeah its showing up as sda1
[6:28] <maicod> without the quotes '/dev/sda1<tab>/mountpoint<tab>ext4<tab>defaults<tab>0<tab>0'
[6:28] <maicod> sorry I forgot the 1
[6:28] <Ionic`> <dev> <mnt> <fstype> <fsoptions> <dump> <pass>
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[6:28] <maicod> but this is only for the ext4
[6:28] <maicod> not for ntfs
[6:28] <maicod> try format fat32 on the external drive
[6:28] <Ionic`> what most people don't know, but can come in handy... (taken from my fstab)
[6:28] <maicod> I mean if its empty :)
[6:28] <maicod> ionic: hahaha
[6:29] <maicod> ionic: see I know stuff ;)
[6:29] <maicod> did u notice ? :)
[6:29] <Ionic`> # ESCAPING IS DONE BY \xxx WITH xxx = _OCTAL_ VALUE OF THE ASCII VALUE (ASCII 32 " " -> \040)
[6:29] <Ionic`> i.e. you could even use mount points with a space in the pathname like so:
[6:29] <Ionic`> /dev/device /mnt/mount\040point somefs defaults 0 0
[6:30] <Ionic`> It's a lesser known, but still awesome fact
[6:30] <maicod> ionic: does the barcode on backside of packaging say (its cutoff for half of it): EXMESDHC32GC10
[6:31] <maicod> ionic: I just copy the lines that are already in fstab :P
[6:31] <maicod> brb
[6:31] <Ionic`> EXMESDHC32GC10
[6:31] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:33] <maicod> cool
[6:33] <maicod> same :)
[6:33] <maicod> its half cut off huh :)
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[6:34] <maicod> my nekkid picture is becoming overflashed :(
[6:34] * Larry94 is now known as Quietlyawesome94
[6:34] * maicod hates flash that can't be adjusted
[6:37] <Ionic`> lol
[6:37] <Ionic`> flashes are usually not adjustable on DSLRs
[6:37] <maicod> I turned it off and kept my cam as steady as possible cause the hands-shake icon was on
[6:37] <maicod> oh
[6:37] <Ionic`> use a tripod!
[6:37] <maicod> my cam might be too old
[6:37] <maicod> yeah indeed
[6:37] <maicod> but I managed with my hands :)
[6:38] <GriffenJBS> that doesn't sound any better
[6:38] <Ionic`> it's like shooting somebody
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[6:38] <Ionic`> breathe in, shoot between two heart beats
[6:38] <maicod> yea
[6:38] <maicod> ionic: http://www.maiconet.nl/nekkidtoo/IMG_3559.jpg
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[6:39] <maicod> I turned up brightness so the colors are off :)
[6:39] <Ionic`> looks a little bit different but still
[6:39] <Ionic`> there was something else...
[6:39] <Ionic`> wait
[6:39] <GriffenJBS> I was amazed found a class 6 16Gb for 9.99 USD
[6:39] <maicod> hehe GriffenJBS
[6:40] <GriffenJBS> in walmart
[6:40] <maicod> ionic: the colors are just as yours
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[6:41] <maicod> oh my edges are cutoff
[6:41] <maicod> yours aren't :)
[6:41] <Ionic`> maicod: indeed
[6:41] <Ionic`> maicod: man:0x000003 oem:0x5344 name:SMI hwrev:0x1 fwrev:0x0
[6:41] <Ionic`> (re: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards )
[6:41] <maicod> probably chinese fake :)
[6:41] <Ionic`> try to get those data
[6:41] <Ionic`> and we'll see
[6:41] <maicod> OK
[6:42] <maicod> I can't do it now :(
[6:42] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:42] <maicod> tomorrow ok?
[6:42] <Ionic`> just remember to
[6:42] <Ionic`> I don't care when
[6:42] <maicod> well in like 18 hours :)
[6:42] <maicod> OK
[6:42] <maicod> I will
[6:42] <maicod> I copy this !
[6:42] <maicod> btw the PSU of the hub is identical :)
[6:43] <maicod> thanks for your dusty piccy :)
[6:43] <maicod> the hub looks fine !
[6:43] <maicod> nice quality
[6:43] <Ionic`> yeah heh
[6:43] <maicod> it uses USB-B port huh
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[6:43] <Ionic`> it's ok I guess
[6:43] <maicod> not mini/micro
[6:43] <Ionic`> I did say that?
[6:43] <maicod> my other hub uses micro
[6:43] <Ionic`> USB A to USB B
[6:43] <maicod> oh forgot :)
[6:43] <maicod> its fine
[6:44] <Ionic`> hubs mostly do use B
[6:44] <maicod> oh right
[6:44] <Ionic`> like printers
[6:44] <maicod> well it was probably too large for the small hub I showed ya
[6:44] <maicod> the belkin one
[6:44] <maicod> its too thin
[6:44] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:44] <maicod> its illegal :)
[6:44] <Ionic`> ???
[6:44] <maicod> cause it could be reversed
[6:44] <Ionic`> illegal?
[6:44] <maicod> usb-micro is A
[6:44] <maicod> I thin
[6:44] <maicod> think
[6:44] <Ionic`> what?!
[6:44] <maicod> A-A
[6:45] <maicod> not A-B
[6:45] <Ionic`> uhm... pardon me? I don't get your idea
[6:45] <maicod> ehm
[6:45] <maicod> they invented A and B to make sur you didnt in and outports
[6:45] <maicod> or such
[6:46] <maicod> see wiki article
[6:46] <maicod> lemme google it
[6:46] <Ionic`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Cable_plugs_.28USB_1.x.2F2.0.29
[6:46] <Ionic`> well
[6:46] <Ionic`> no
[6:46] <Ionic`> A is for master, B is for slave
[6:47] <maicod> yeah
[6:47] <Ionic`> it has nothing to do with reverse engineering or such
[6:47] <maicod> and A A cable could make electric shortage
[6:47] <Ionic`> you shouldn't connect two slave devices together
[6:47] <maicod> so they don't make those
[6:47] <Ionic`> yeah, sure, as those send power
[6:47] <maicod> yeah
[6:47] <maicod> 2 B ports not ofc
[6:47] <Ionic`> master sends power, slave drain/use power
[6:48] <maicod> yea
[6:48] <Ionic`> nah, but 2 B ports is stupid
[6:48] <maicod> micro/mini isnt that A ?
[6:48] <Ionic`> as the slave can not initiate data transfer as per the standard
[6:48] <maicod> thats my mistake
[6:48] <maicod> its B ports
[6:48] <Ionic`> only respond to requests sent by master
[6:48] <maicod> cause theyre on music players
[6:48] <maicod> too
[6:48] * Xark notes most newer micro are A+B (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Connector_types )
[6:48] <Ionic`> mini only has B connectors, micro has both
[6:49] <maicod> oh lemme see
[6:49] <MasterGeek> ACTION is away: IRC is just multiplayer notepad for geeks that dont give a fuck about leaving kit switched on 24 -7
[6:49] <GriffenJBS> USB otg messes that up
[6:49] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:49] <Ionic`> OTG is a different story
[6:49] <maicod> so the only cable you shouldnt see is the large A to the large A huh?
[6:49] <Ionic`> also, interestingly, the raspi uses OTG
[6:50] <Ionic`> maicod: in general... but with OTG, that's all practically thrown overboard, as OTG lets act any hub as master or slave
[6:50] <Ionic`> (On-The-Go)
[6:50] <Ionic`> raspi also uses an OTG hub
[6:50] <maicod> aha so the initial designs of USB ppl is already 'let go'
[6:50] <Ionic`> why exactly I don't know
[6:51] <maicod> is that the reason it can receive current from the hub?
[6:51] <Ionic`> maybe it was cheaper than a real hub, maybe because you want the raspi to act as a slave... dunno
[6:51] <maicod> idk either :)
[6:51] <Ionic`> it works
[6:51] <Ionic`> mostly
[6:51] <Ionic`> sometimes
[6:52] <Ionic`> if the moon phase is correct
[6:52] <maicod> thats a word joke or something is called 'moon phase' ?
[6:52] <maicod> I think the first
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[6:52] <maicod> like 'if we're lucky'
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[6:52] <Ionic`> yeah
[6:52] <Mrgoose2> Howdy. Any raspbmc users here?
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[6:53] <maicod> we say 'op goed geluk'
[6:53] <maicod> can you read that ?
[6:53] <Ionic`> hmmm
[6:53] <Ionic`> nope
[6:53] <maicod> auf gutem glueck?
[6:54] <maicod> it means 'lets hope it works' :)
[6:54] <Ionic`> ah
[6:54] <maicod> we just take the bet
[6:54] <Ionic`> "I'm feeling lucky"
[6:54] <maicod> oh yeah :)
[6:54] <Ionic`> or "auf gut glueck"
[6:54] <maicod> google :)
[6:54] <maicod> see thats almost the same as our words
[6:54] <maicod> loads of such similar words/sayings in german/dutch
[6:54] <Ionic`> true
[6:55] <maicod> still german can be a hard language :)
[6:56] <Ionic`> it is
[6:56] <maicod> it can seem easy for a Dutch but when he/she then thinks he/she can translate everything with a little germanic styled dutch words it will go wrong for sure !
[6:56] <maicod> same when you try dutch
[6:57] <maicod> but I could read amazon.de fine :)
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[6:58] <maicod> amazon uses some kind of dutch warehouse where the stuff goes to from germany and then they send the parcel to me with postnl (dutch post)
[6:58] <maicod> takes one day extra
[6:59] <Ionic`> oh, that's not a big deal
[6:59] <maicod> nope indeed
[6:59] <maicod> I wonder why they use dutch post btw
[6:59] <maicod> why not send it from germany to dutch clients
[6:59] <maicod> maybe they save costs
[7:00] <maicod> I believe the warehouse address is near amsterdam (I think schiphol airport)
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[7:01] <maicod> I got my fruestfree packaging btw :)
[7:01] <maicod> frustrationfree
[7:01] <Ionic`> uhm
[7:01] <Ionic`> like?
[7:01] <Ionic`> for the sd card or what?
[7:01] <maicod> my USB Stick
[7:01] <Ionic`> oh
[7:01] <Ionic`> nice
[7:01] <maicod> it was in a paper envelope
[7:01] <maicod> not in plastic
[7:01] <maicod> better :)
[7:01] <Ionic`> I also did select the frust frei package for my SD card
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[7:01] <maicod> cool
[7:02] <Ionic`> interestingly i got the "normal" wrapped one
[7:02] <Ionic`> as you can clearly see
[7:02] <Ionic`> dunno why, maybe they ran out of the frustration free ones
[7:02] <maicod> yeah maybe it was out of stock or so
[7:02] <maicod> yea
[7:02] <maicod> do they repack them ?
[7:02] <Ionic`> but then again, it wasn't hard to open to meh
[7:02] <Ionic`> I'm not sure
[7:02] <Ionic`> I believe so
[7:02] <maicod> or just order them in large boxes and pack them up
[7:02] <Ionic`> I can't remember how it was last time, sorry
[7:02] <maicod> like 12 or 24 HDDS in a box :)
[7:02] <Ionic`> too long ago
[7:02] <maicod> OEM
[7:02] <Ionic`> nah
[7:03] <Ionic`> they do repack them
[7:03] <Ionic`> or maybe have someone else repack them
[7:03] <maicod> or maybe the factory?
[7:03] <Ionic`> but you don't have to use scissors or something to open that up
[7:03] <maicod> cause its a large customer
[7:03] <maicod> indeed just tear the cardboard strip
[7:03] <Ionic`> the amazon frustration free stuff is really great
[7:03] <maicod> yea thats a way to make themselves stand out of the crowd
[7:03] <Ionic`> compared to the welded ones
[7:03] <maicod> a customer drawer
[7:04] <Ionic`> yeah
[7:04] <maicod> to make customers stay
[7:04] <maicod> that guy got really really rich anyways (Jeff Bezo) :)
[7:04] <maicod> Bezos
[7:04] <maicod> he started amazon
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[7:04] <maicod> guy from california
[7:04] <Ionic`> I'd bet so
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[7:05] <maicod> I think holland is too small for another amazon branch huh
[7:05] <Ionic`> and seriously... amazon has nice marketing
[7:05] <maicod> although we got plenty of inhabitants :)
[7:05] <maicod> 16 mio
[7:05] <Ionic`> probably yeah
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[7:05] <maicod> but they could make a dutch or english translation button on the .de site
[7:05] <Ionic`> but neither do other countries
[7:06] <Ionic`> yeah
[7:06] <Ionic`> well
[7:06] <maicod> well there's .es /.co.uk/.de
[7:06] <maicod> .fr
[7:06] <Ionic`> "yeahno"
[7:06] <Ionic`> but that's about it
[7:06] <maicod> hehe
[7:06] <Ionic`> translations are difficult
[7:06] <Ionic`> because there's two parts
[7:06] <maicod> my friend has a business
[7:06] <maicod> its a scooter parts shop
[7:06] <Ionic`> you'd have to translate every article too
[7:06] <maicod> and its really BIG
[7:06] <maicod> he sells to everyone in europe
[7:06] <Ionic`> and also force marketplace people to translate their stuff
[7:06] <maicod> and his site is translated in MANY european languahes
[7:07] <Ionic`> yeah, but he doesn't have that many stuff... :p
[7:07] <maicod> http://www.easyparts.nl/
[7:07] <Ionic`> and neither does he have a marketplace where third parties can sell stuff
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[7:07] <maicod> well he has MANY stuff
[7:07] <maicod> like bolts/nuts and all other small scooter parts
[7:08] <maicod> and tyres/scooters etc.
[7:08] <maicod> thats larger stuff ;)
[7:08] <maicod> he uses students to translate
[7:08] <maicod> students from other countries
[7:08] <Ionic`> ok,let's take that
[7:08] <Ionic`> http://www.easyparts.nl/showarticles_info/0118032001B/0-4019-121-667-1968/Kolbenringsatz_TNT_Buxy.html
[7:08] <Ionic`> switch over to english
[7:08] <Ionic`> he didn't translate "set van 2"
[7:09] <maicod> :(
[7:09] <maicod> stupid yeah
[7:09] <maicod> I understand what you mean
[7:09] <maicod> its hard to translate everything !
[7:09] <Ionic`> and that's only one sentence
[7:09] <maicod> you forget it
[7:09] <Ionic`> now try to translate...
[7:09] <maicod> set of 2 :)
[7:10] <Ionic`> http://www.amazon.co.uk/HTC-Desire-Sim-Free-Smartphone/dp/B0083FY5VY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343970452&sr=8-1 all of that stuff
[7:10] <TheFarfar> Most stuff is easily translated though since it's static
[7:10] <Ionic`> that's a little bit more than "set of 2"
[7:10] <Ionic`> the technical details... probably
[7:10] <maicod> indeed !
[7:10] <maicod> yeah there's alot of text in that article from amazon
[7:10] <Ionic`> though then you have to introduce a common layout or whatever
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[7:11] <maicod> but I just wanted to show that my friends site did try to at least :)
[7:11] <maicod> he has even swedish etc/
[7:11] <Ionic`> heh
[7:11] <maicod> cause its all youth that buy
[7:11] <maicod> they want their own language
[7:11] <Ionic`> I find that really cool
[7:11] <Ionic`> but technically it's difficult on amazon
[7:11] <maicod> he set up the shop with a friend
[7:11] <TheFarfar> I don't mind if it's in english
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[7:11] <Ionic`> and what do you do with third-party retailers?
[7:11] <TheFarfar> most of my friends don't either
[7:12] <Ionic`> like in the amazon marketplace
[7:12] <maicod> the friend is from a known bike shop in my city (family has bike shops for decades)
[7:12] <maicod> and siewert (the friend) is the computer guy
[7:12] <maicod> he makes it tick
[7:12] <maicod> he wrote the site etc.
[7:12] <maicod> so its the 'handy salesman' together with the handy computerman
[7:12] <maicod> good combi :)
[7:13] <maicod> ionic: yeah 3rd party makes it all extra difficult
[7:14] <Ionic`> don't get me wrong, I find your friends site great
[7:14] <Ionic`> and for him it may work (although not even he is translating *everything*, as in article description)
[7:14] <maicod> thefarfar: well he tries to make it more appealing to say a Swedish customer to buy stuff from a webshop based in netherlands
[7:14] <Ionic`> but that's a huge logistical thing for amazon to do
[7:14] <maicod> yeah I agree
[7:14] <Ionic`> there actually is something like that on amazon.jp
[7:14] <maicod> oh :)
[7:15] <Ionic`> I've had a quick look at it
[7:15] <Ionic`> but you'll still be seeing japanese everywhere
[7:15] <maicod> but japanse are ofcourse using a totally different language/characters
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[7:15] <Ionic`> still, it's the same thing when talking about translation
[7:15] <Ionic`> *translations
[7:16] <maicod> yeah alot to translate
[7:16] <Ionic`> and because of that reason, I can understand why amazon won't even bother to translate everything on .de/.fr/.es to english
[7:17] <maicod> I agree
[7:17] <Ionic`> also because those people can just use amazon.co.uk
[7:17] <maicod> yeah though I noticed its sometimes hard to find stuff from one branch on the other branch
[7:17] <maicod> sometimes its only available in say .de
[7:17] <Ionic`> heh yeah
[7:18] <maicod> and .uk is more expensive (POUND)
[7:18] <Ionic`> that's because each shop is independent
[7:18] <maicod> rite
[7:18] <Ionic`> I still don't get the shipping rip-off on .co.uk
[7:18] <maicod> but as I said uptil now I had always been 'let down' by amazon
[7:18] <Ionic`> 25 pounds, 20 EUR everywhere else
[7:18] <maicod> so I never ordered at them
[7:18] <Ionic`> for free shipping that is
[7:18] <maicod> it went like this"
[7:18] <maicod> :
[7:19] <deebo> the logistics arent really a big deal these days tbh, you can use a third party warehouse/logistics partner, just store all your stuff in a single warehouse that ships everywhere
[7:19] <maicod> see great article/try to order it/have to fill in all details/fill in country/suddenly a note: we are not allowed to sent to Netherlands
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[7:19] <Ionic`> I spend a lot of dolares on amazon
[7:19] <maicod> at then end of the whole procedure to order
[7:20] <Ionic`> cause it's easy, fast (with free express shipping) and more importantly, most of the time even the most cost-effective choice
[7:20] <maicod> and also they then suddenly charged extra for this and for that etc. (it was experience with the american branch)
[7:20] <Ionic`> lol
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[7:20] <maicod> but see that I tried it a couple of times and was let down by them !
[7:20] <maicod> so I stopped ordering
[7:20] <maicod> but now its free and easy
[7:20] <maicod> you told me
[7:20] <Ionic`> heh yeah
[7:20] <maicod> and I retried
[7:21] <maicod> maybe I use them more often
[7:21] <Ionic`> I'm pretty pissed off by amazon.com
[7:21] <Ionic`> and also itunes
[7:21] <maicod> but theres great webshops in netherlands with competing prices and we got a great pay system called IDEAL
[7:21] <maicod> I hate that amazon wants my cc nr
[7:21] <maicod> I couldnt use paypal or IDEAL (our dutch system)
[7:21] <Ionic`> because I can't even pay for US movies/series if I'm not an US citizen
[7:22] <maicod> yeah and everything that can hold data is banned for netherlandss :(
[7:22] <maicod> -s
[7:22] <deebo> maicod: amazon has enough traffic to handle its own payments, why would they pay someone else to do it :)
[7:22] <deebo> at their scale its millions of euros
[7:22] <maicod> cause ddutch government charges money for 'so called piracy'
[7:22] <Ionic`> maicod: I even got an amazon branded cc :D
[7:22] <maicod> but why not use paypal so noon needs to give CC nr to amazon ?
[7:22] <maicod> haha
[7:23] <deebo> because paypal takes a percentage
[7:23] <maicod> oh
[7:23] <maicod> not for customer :)
[7:23] <Ionic`> no, for the merchant
[7:23] <maicod> right
[7:23] <maicod> ok
[7:23] <Ionic`> but the customer has to pay the fee anyway
[7:23] <deebo> would you want a third party taking 5% off your already slim profit margin :)
[7:23] <maicod> nope :)
[7:23] <Ionic`> the merchant just adds 2% or something
[7:23] <Ionic`> sure
[7:23] <maicod> hey about our system: IDEAL
[7:23] <maicod> lemme explain how great it is !
[7:24] <maicod> you know when you want to login to your bank you use a tiny device that you put your bankcard in
[7:24] <maicod> ?
[7:24] <maicod> to log in
[7:24] <maicod> it returns a nr
[7:24] <maicod> you enter that in the website
[7:24] <deebo> it might be great but the deal is probably similiar :) they charge monthly or per transaction
[7:24] <maicod> no EVERY dutch shop uses it !
[7:24] <maicod> its sooooooo common
[7:24] <maicod> its literally IDEA:
[7:24] <maicod> IDEAL
[7:25] <deebo> the best thing about visa/cc is that im not liable if it gets stolen, thats why i use it on the net
[7:25] <maicod> but do you know what I mean with the device ?
[7:25] <maicod> its like a calculator
[7:25] <maicod> you enter your card
[7:25] <maicod> and enter pincode
[7:25] <maicod> and then enter code from website
[7:25] <deebo> not really no, here in finland we have key lists for online banking
[7:25] <maicod> and it return a nr that you enter on the website again
[7:25] <maicod> and voila!
[7:25] <deebo> "give code at G 20 to login"
[7:26] <Ionic`> maicod: isn't that just basically normal generated TAN?
[7:26] <maicod> deebo: thats really old style. we got one bank that does that too called ING
[7:26] <maicod> ionic: well not like a tan list like deebo says
[7:26] <maicod> its more safe
[7:26] <Ionic`> no, generated TAN
[7:26] <maicod> its not sent via sms
[7:26] <Ionic`> we do have tan generators too
[7:26] <maicod> yeah the machine uses your cards data to create a tan
[7:26] <maicod> ok
[7:26] <deebo> and when the device breaks you cant pay for anything :P
[7:26] <Ionic`> which can read data off your screen
[7:26] <Ionic`> but that's only used for online banking
[7:26] <maicod> oh mine can;t but it has USB
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[7:27] <maicod> but we use the exact same device to pay in a Dutch webshop
[7:27] <maicod> it just goes to your bank
[7:27] <Ionic`> I have never used mine :/
[7:27] <maicod> and returns after payment
[7:27] <maicod> see how ideal it is ?
[7:27] <Ionic`> because I have never used the bank account associated with it
[7:27] <Ionic`> yeah
[7:27] <Ionic`> great, but maybe also insecure?
[7:27] <maicod> it should become international :)
[7:27] <maicod> why ?
[7:27] <maicod> if noone has your card or pincode
[7:27] <Ionic`> see, if :)
[7:28] <maicod> haha
[7:28] <Ionic`> there are ways to sniff traffic
[7:28] <maicod> well its the same with money machines
[7:28] <Ionic`> or even a keylogger
[7:28] <maicod> cash machines
[7:28] <Ionic`> well yeah
[7:28] <Ionic`> only that this is online
[7:28] <maicod> ionic: but the nr will only work one time
[7:28] <Ionic`> and could be used anywhere
[7:28] <maicod> its generated by a new code from the bank each time
[7:28] <maicod> the answer
[7:29] <Ionic`> yeah
[7:29] <maicod> deebo: didnt want to call your country old fashioned :) just meant that I know that system with TAN codes that you get on a paper or via SMS here too and I find it old style stuff
[7:29] <Ionic`> still... if it's widely used, it's a profitable target to crack/steal data
[7:30] <maicod> I therefore skip that one bank who uses it
[7:30] <maicod> stupid ING
[7:30] <Ionic`> duplicate your card, keylog your pin and then use it everywhere
[7:30] <maicod> ionic: well its succesfull in netherlands. don't know what it would be if it would be used globally
[7:31] <Ionic`> i see a high risk of abuse there
[7:31] <Ionic`> it's comfortable alright but if it's abused your f*cked
[7:31] <maicod> giving everyone your CC nr isnt high risk?
[7:31] <Ionic`> you can't even cancel payments, I believe
[7:31] <Ionic`> no
[7:31] <maicod> why not?
[7:31] <Ionic`> because CC payments can be easily canceled
[7:31] <maicod> ehm
[7:31] <Ionic`> when your card/data was stolen
[7:32] <maicod> you mean its insured !
[7:32] <maicod> banks here give back your money too
[7:32] <Ionic`> or that
[7:32] <Ionic`> yeah
[7:32] <Ionic`> are you sure?
[7:32] <maicod> if its criminally obained
[7:32] <maicod> yes
[7:32] <maicod> but the fraude is becoming larger and they become less 'easy'
[7:33] <maicod> fraude with ppl in far away countries drawing money out of cash machines from copied card and stole pins
[7:33] <maicod> I mean that kind of fraud
[7:33] <maicod> but so far everyone gets their stolen money back
[7:34] <Ionic`> ok
[7:34] <maicod> you have to go to the police though
[7:34] <maicod> report ?
[7:34] <maicod> how do you call it ?
[7:34] <maicod> to say you've been stolen?
[7:34] <maicod> or harmed
[7:34] <maicod> aangifte
[7:34] <maicod> in dutch
[7:34] <maicod> lost my english word for it :)
[7:35] <Ionic`> uhm
[7:35] <Ionic`> report?
[7:36] <Ionic`> complaint
[7:37] <maicod> report I guess
[7:37] <maicod> you get a written statement from the police station
[7:37] <maicod> and the bank wants that
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[7:37] <hermanhermitage> declaration
[7:38] <hermanhermitage> statutory declaration
[7:38] <Ionic`> yeah
[7:38] <maicod> thanks
[7:39] <maicod> sometimes it can be done via internet too
[7:39] <maicod> depends on the city :)
[7:39] <maicod> and if its not a murder you're going to confess ;P
[7:40] <maicod> the things that happen the most and are the most annoying for a police officer to process each time
[7:40] <maicod> stolen bikes etc :)
[7:40] <Ionic`> /var/paludis/repositories/sunrise || /usr/local/overlays/keks-bude
[7:40] <Mrgoose2> Howdy. Any raspbmc users here?
[7:40] <maicod> ionic: whats that ?
[7:40] <Ionic`> i'm just pasting stuff for myself, ignore me
[7:41] <maicod> keks is biscuits :)
[7:41] <Ionic`> yeah
[7:41] <maicod> hehe
[7:41] <Ionic`> it's overlays for my gentoo box
[7:41] <maicod> koekjes we call them
[7:41] <maicod> OK
[7:41] <Ionic`> like another source in /etc/apt/sources.list
[7:41] <Ionic`> /repo
[7:41] <maicod> sorry if I bored u with my police and bank chat ;)
[7:41] <maicod> hehehehehe
[7:41] <Ionic`> nope you didn't
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[7:41] <maicod> ok :)
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[7:41] <Ionic`> don't worry hun
[7:43] * maicod got angry at his tablet pc today
[7:43] <maicod> but I am not angry anymore :)
[7:43] <Mrgoose2> what tablet pc do you have
[7:43] <maicod> Android
[7:43] <maicod> Asus transformer
[7:43] <maicod> 32GB
[7:43] <maicod> dutch broadcaster nos had 12 olympic streams you could watch
[7:44] <maicod> and I thought lets try it on my tablet
[7:44] <maicod> and it didnt work :(
[7:44] <maicod> but I found a way to make it work
[7:44] <maicod> but still I hate it when such things that should work 'out of the box' need 45 mins of frustration first
[7:44] <maicod> Mrgoose2: which one u got?
[7:45] <maicod> btw it was the main site not the mobile site that I wanted
[7:45] <maicod> the mobile streams are low quality
[7:45] <maicod> but a 10 inch tablet should play the 'big computer' sites fine
[7:46] <Mrgoose2> maicod: i jus have a kindle fire that I rooted and put ICS on
[7:46] <Mrgoose2> it's not too powerful
[7:46] <maicod> okay mine is good but there's better already again
[7:47] <maicod> mine got Tegra2
[7:47] <maicod> 1Ghz/1024 MB
[7:47] <maicod> ICS on it too
[7:47] <maicod> ionic: what tablet u got?
[7:47] <maicod> if u got one
[7:48] <Ionic`> maicod: I *hate* tablets
[7:48] <maicod> oh :)
[7:48] <Ionic`> I'd never buy one for as long I live
[7:48] <maicod> cause of the 'tangled fingers' ?
[7:48] <Ionic`> I just don't see how those could be useful
[7:48] <Ionic`> no, because I've got my smartphone and my laptop
[7:48] <maicod> oh I love playing on it when I lie on bed or so
[7:48] <maicod> OK
[7:48] <Ionic`> I don't need some stuff in between
[7:48] <maicod> thats fine
[7:48] <maicod> I got no smartphone though LOL
[7:48] <maicod> i;m old fashioned :)
[7:48] <Ionic`> see, I do :p
[7:49] <maicod> got a predecessor
[7:49] <Ionic`> you will have to upgrade at some point
[7:49] <maicod> I will very soon
[7:49] <maicod> Pi time first :)
[7:49] <maicod> can't manage it all :)
[7:49] <Ionic`> lol
[7:49] <maicod> need my time :)
[7:49] <maicod> I'm not a big mobile caller/sms-er
[7:50] <maicod> but I can see the handy things in a smartphone
[7:50] <maicod> like inside a shop and u want to lookup a website
[7:50] <maicod> I sometimes miss that
[7:50] <Ionic`> oh I can send over 1500 a month
[7:50] <maicod> not often :)
[7:50] <Ionic`> I really enjoy this SMS flat
[7:50] <maicod> hehee
[7:51] <maicod> SMS becomes a tad oldfashioned now that there is Whatsapp and Ping huh
[7:51] <Ionic`> well
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[7:51] <Ionic`> yes and no
[7:51] <maicod> Ping is also going downhill cause blackberry does
[7:51] <Gabtendo> holy crap my raspberry pi just shipped
[7:51] <Ionic`> you need internet access for this stuff
[7:51] <maicod> wow :)
[7:51] <Gabtendo> they said it would take 5 weeks to ship
[7:51] <Gabtendo> it took ONE WEEK
[7:51] <maicod> congrats Gabtendo
[7:51] <Gabtendo> ^.^
[7:51] <maicod> cool :)
[7:51] <Ionic`> SMS works over GSM/UMTS
[7:51] * Gabtendo dances
[7:51] <maicod> they lifted the one per customer restriction I saw
[7:51] <Gabtendo> this is actually AMAZING NEWS
[7:51] <maicod> so they musthev been getting loads lately
[7:51] <Gabtendo> because
[7:52] <Gabtendo> if it shipped when they said it would ship (which was actually about TWO weeks, way before their original 5 week estimate)
[7:52] <Ionic`> I try to use as less mobile data/UMTS and WiFi as possible (due to battery concerns)
[7:52] <maicod> ionic: oh
[7:52] <Gabtendo> then the raspberry pi would arrive at my house mere DAYS after I left for college
[7:52] <Gabtendo> DAYS
[7:52] <Gabtendo> but now I'm going to get to bring it with me
[7:52] <Gabtendo> so happy ^.^
[7:52] <maicod> and now time to spare to play with it :)
[7:52] <maicod> Gabtendo: did u order a psu for it ?
[7:53] <maicod> it should be 1A/5volts
[7:53] <Gabtendo> actually
[7:53] <maicod> and possible a powered HUB /SD card :)
[7:53] <Gabtendo> that's the ONLY thing I haven't gotten, the one I want is from adafruit and it' snot in stock
[7:53] <Gabtendo> however, I do have several power supplies that will work
[7:53] <maicod> oh but they can be ordered everywhere
[7:53] <maicod> as long as its the smalles USB connector
[7:53] <maicod> and 1A/5volt
[7:53] <maicod> smallest
[7:53] <Gabtendo> not the model I wanted
[7:54] <Gabtendo> doesn't really matter if it's USB or micro, I have both cables
[7:54] <maicod> oh what special model would u wish for it then?
[7:54] <maicod> OK
[7:54] <maicod> I got one from RS along with my Pi
[7:54] <maicod> its fine
[7:54] <maicod> small/light and works great
[7:55] <maicod> I first thought I'd use my wall-to usb thingy which says its 1A but its chinese brand so ......
[7:55] <maicod> I thought better order one along with the Pi thats chosen by RS to suit it
[7:56] <maicod> Gabtendo: got a SD card ready?
[7:56] <maicod> and posibly a wifi-stick thats in the verified list on the raspberrypi.org page
[7:56] <Gabtendo> yes...
[7:56] <maicod> also then need a HUB with extra power
[7:56] <Gabtendo> I have everything I need.
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[7:57] <maicod> cause mouse/keyboard/wifi is 3 devices and u got only 2 sockets :)
[7:57] <maicod> and you need extra power for the wifi stick
[7:57] <maicod> it wont work on the Pi itsself
[7:58] <maicod> Gabtendo: just trying to see if u're prepared to not let you down when it arrives and you have to wait 2 days before new ordered items you need are delivered
[7:58] <maicod> hdmi cable posibly :)
[7:59] <Gabtendo> Something tells me you weren't aware of what your Raspberry Pi would need when you got yours.
[7:59] <maicod> I was
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[8:00] <maicod> why do you kick the ball back?
[8:00] <maicod> I was trying to advise u nothing more
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[8:00] <Gabtendo> It's what I do.
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[8:01] <maicod> I tried to be happy with your happyness that it will arrive soon and all I get is this shit.
[8:01] <maicod> :)
[8:02] <maicod> but I flushed it
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[8:08] <Gabtendo> maicod: https://gabmedia.org/ready.jpg
[8:08] <Gabtendo> offscreen: powered usb 2.0 7-port hub
[8:09] <Gabtendo> MIA: The Pibow I ordered a week ago
[8:09] <Gabtendo> I figured I'd get the Pibow in the mail before the RasPi
[8:09] <Gabtendo> guess not
[8:09] <Gabtendo> >.<
[8:12] <Habbie> 4-6 weeks they sy
[8:12] <Habbie> *say
[8:12] <Habbie> no, 2-3 if you ordered a week ago
[8:13] <Habbie> i hope the pibow doesn't suck like the modmypi
[8:13] <Habbie> they promised it wouldn't
[8:15] <Gabtendo> ordered mine a little over a week ago
[8:16] <Gabtendo> we'll see
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[8:20] <voidn> Good morning!
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[8:39] <yehnan> hi, does anyone know the name of the designer on the left? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/35616101/p_three%20stages.jpg
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[9:02] <GriffenJBS> yehnan: I'm wondering .... why do you want to know?
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[9:03] <yehnan> GriffenJBS: I'm writting an introduction to raspberry pi(in Chinese). Besides cold electronic components and rpi board, also wanna show the real names to readers.
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[9:06] <GriffenJBS> yehnan: have you put a message on raspberrypi.org? Liz reads that often and could ask Eben
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[9:07] <GriffenJBS> yehnan: have you seen the MagPi?
[9:08] <GriffenJBS> Maybe translating MagPi to Chinese would be of help?
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[9:12] <yehnan> GriffenJBS: I read all four issues of MagPi.
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[9:12] <yehnan> GriffenJBS: tanslate to Chinese? well...that's beyond one person's effort
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[9:19] <Habbie> yehnan, it's David Braben, as far as i can see
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[9:19] <Habbie> yehnan, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Braben
[9:19] <Habbie> yehnan, google images is your friend :)
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[9:30] <GriffenJBS> Habbie: did you do a search with the image?
[9:32] <Habbie> yes
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[9:33] <reider59> If anyone is waiting for an RPi there is a seller in Ebay who alledges to have sold 2 out of 8 boxed brand new RPi units. He is selling for ?39.95 + ?4.99 postage. Just a FYI......I don't want one but it may help someone.
[9:34] <reider59> It,s on "Buy it now" http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=raspberry+pi&_pgn=2&_skc=50&rt=nc
[9:34] <trijntje> I might get mine today, if I'm lucky :D
[9:34] <reider59> *It's
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[9:36] <yehnan> Habbie: nope, David is on the right.
[9:36] <Habbie> oh
[9:36] <Habbie> misread the question
[9:36] <Habbie> silly me :(
[9:37] <Habbie> ok
[9:37] <Habbie> Robert Mullins then :)
[9:37] <Habbie> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rdm34/
[9:37] <yehnan> Habbie: great. thanks a lot.
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[10:11] <MasterGeek> Morning
[10:11] <KeyCat> Any Gambas programmers lurking?
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[10:14] <MasterGeek> GriffenJBS, MagPi is yours ?
[10:16] * gordonDrogon is a BASIC programmer ...
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[10:19] <KeyCat> Trying to use a shared C library from Gambas3 but have some problems declaring it correctly
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[10:33] <MasterGeek> I found a nice cheap lcd screen hack if you got one of these > http://images04.olx.com.ph/ui/2/93/49/28998449_5.jpg you can get it to do this > http://thepifactory.org/images/piphone/SH102671.JPG
[10:33] <DexterLB> sometimes the rpi doesn't start and just hangs at the coloured screen
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[10:34] <DexterLB> what reasons can there be for this? (yes, I have ruled out power supply problems)
[10:34] <MasterGeek> 800x600 for less than $5
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[10:43] <Mr_Sheesh> MasterGeek - Which system is that Sony? (I've never played with them)
[10:43] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: you going to this talk that eben at google campus in the big smoke?
[10:43] <MasterGeek> yer, its an oldps 1 portable screen
[10:44] * booyaa is pondering if he wants to go.
[10:44] <booyaa> i suspect it'll be very similar to his ted talk
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[10:44] <Mr_Sheesh> PS1 portable, OK, hmm, dx.com have the displays? I can ask a friend to look for one
[10:46] <InControl> so it will be fuzzy composite
[10:46] <MasterGeek> yep they nice n crisp, im using the onboard sound in and out for the pi phone too
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[10:47] <MasterGeek> yer its composite, but i was supprised how Not fuzzy it was
[10:47] <MasterGeek> unlike the pocket 4" tv i tryed first
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[10:50] <MichelleZ> hey guys, has anyone else tried the funcube SDR dongle and the pi together? i've found lots of people saying they are going to try it but no one posting results. My results so far are a fail, buffer underruns and crashes of arecord
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[10:51] <booyaa> MichelleZ: sdr dongle? what's that?!
[10:51] <MichelleZ> software programmable radio
[10:51] * booyaa needs to hook up his violet mirror rfid reader to his pi
[10:51] <MichelleZ> found a log of this channel with someone who was going to try it, but no outcome
[10:51] <MasterGeek> heres a macro shot with the Pi-Phone App running, not that fuzzy at all >> http://thepifactory.org/images/piphone/SH102668.JPG
[10:52] <InControl> are you trying it on Raspbian ?
[10:52] <booyaa> MichelleZ: have you chceked the .org forums too?
[10:52] <MichelleZ> me? yes latest Raspbian, even overclocked the PI to 900Mhz to help (it did a tiny bit)
[10:53] <MichelleZ> booyaa, yea same, people asking about it, saying they will try it, no actual results good or bad
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[10:53] <MasterGeek> i got a pi up to 1241, then it started to smoke
[10:53] <InControl> MasterGeek: looks like it has a fair bit of composite colour misalignment
[10:53] <booyaa> MasterGeek: srsly?
[10:53] <MasterGeek> yer, i killed 3 of em already hahha
[10:54] <trijntje> wow.. I'm still waiting for my first. Was that by overclocking Hz or volt?
[10:54] <booyaa> MichelleZ: power?
[10:55] <MichelleZ> power is fine, checked with and without powered hub
[10:55] <booyaa> i reckon seomthing like that must need a lot of juice
[10:55] <MasterGeek> InControl, nah its my chitty cam, seriously its not bad at all, V usable, heres another pic bit more stable > http://thepifactory.org/images/piphone/SH102670.JPG
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[10:56] <MasterGeek> yer clock both, and the gpu and ram
[10:58] <booyaa> MasterGeek: pi-phone? modem?
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[10:58] <MasterGeek> 3g, gps, gprs,
[10:59] <MasterGeek> telit, python module
[10:59] <MasterGeek> i killed 2 of thme n all
[10:59] <MasterGeek> hahah
[11:00] <MasterGeek> but igot the first working Pi Phone
[11:00] <MasterGeek> \O/
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[11:01] <MasterGeek> booyaa, > http://thepifactory.org/index.php/the-pi-phone-2
[11:04] <MasterGeek> I should maybe start to use "The Pi Phone ?"
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[11:16] <InControl> MasterGeek: I'm sure your joking but to use '??' requires a registered trademark, otherwise it is a criminal offence.
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[11:18] <MasterGeek> No im serious, my solicitor started copyright paperwork about a week ago
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[11:18] <MasterGeek> "The Pi Phone" is mine
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[11:20] <MasterGeek> the hardware kits and SDK should be ready for market before the end of the month
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[11:23] <Dagger2> not that copyrights have anything to do with registered trademarks, of course
[11:23] * slartsa facepalms
[11:24] <MasterGeek> yer, I dont profess to be lawyer, but the amount im paying him im sure he will cover all bases
[11:24] <nid0> (also just to be picky, there're currently not yet any trademarks registered or pending for "the pi phone" or "thepifactory.org")
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[11:29] <MasterGeek> yer I think you got me mixed up with someone that give a f***
[11:30] <slartsa> how delightful
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[11:36] <MasterGeek> "Pi Radio" is mine too, an all band all mode radio receiver/scanner 500hz - 1Ghz AM,FM,USB,LSB
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[11:37] <slartsa> 11:27 <+MasterGeek> yer I think you got me mixed up with someone that give a f***
[11:37] <slartsa> your words
[11:37] <MasterGeek> lol
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[11:39] <MasterGeek> thats right, as long as they sell on Ebay, i dont. and i already took 121 pre orders for the Pi Phone, @ ?90, so they dont care either
[11:40] <MasterGeek> :P
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[11:47] <[SLB]> anyone having boot issues when the pi (or the sd card) gets hot?
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[12:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> [SLB] what do you mean hot? how hot ,
[12:25] <[SLB]> i don't know, that's what i'm trying to understand from rpi verified peripherals page kingmax sd card: "won`t reboot when it`s hot"
[12:26] <[SLB]> what's hot and how hot doesn't say
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[12:41] <sam> I am cross-building a binary using arm-bcm2708hardfp-linux-gnueabi-g++
[12:41] <sam> linking with eg. SDL gives me errors such as:
[12:41] <sam> /home/sam/raspi/root/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libSDL.so: undefined reference to `snd_pcm_hw_params_set_periods_near@ALSA_0.9.0rc4'
[12:42] <sam> do I have any way to tell the linker that it needn't care about undefined symbols in shared libraries, only in my binary?
[12:46] <sam> oh.
[12:46] <sam> -Wl,--unresolved-symbols=ignore-in-object-files
[12:46] <sam> s/object/shared/
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[14:14] <datagutt> there
[14:14] <datagutt> ReggieUK
[14:14] <datagutt> oh sorry for language
[14:14] <datagutt> :)
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[14:15] <MasterGeek> quick question..
[14:15] <MasterGeek> if the following data...
[14:15] <MasterGeek> A321daec 53c8eec6 bf938911 06193934 d9b8d282 19aae500 906f50a5 5af77a62 3eb3acff 00c407dc 123123e5 924e4739 47288682
[14:15] <MasterGeek> Fcf52d00 73ab1ebb 8a3e0ac1 de6fee7c e2179484 04e076f3 adb684c8 ef76bed7 b87877fd 2fc2fd57 2d2cdaa4 6541340c 13061104
[14:15] <MasterGeek> With a python script and this salt "afa9de91 b0f6fcd5 f7e07acf 72191505 68d99c7b" uncompresses to a 8.93G HD film.
[14:15] <MasterGeek> What would that be worth?
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[14:16] <Draylor> the value of the worlds greatest video compression algorithm? heh
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[14:19] <MasterGeek> fall back is it take 2h 21m to uncompress it on a quad core
[14:19] <sam> MasterGeek: worth nothing
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[14:22] <Pulser> the time wold likely not be so big an issue, given the reduction in bandwidth
[14:22] <sam> it's one of: 1) the python script is 8 GiB large, 2) the python script depends on 8 GiB worth of external data, 3) the movie is garbage noise
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> 3) the universe is funky, and that happened to be the case.
[14:23] <Pulser> sam, +1
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> Same as if there is a movie at place 10^4993 in Pi.
[14:23] <TheBrayn> everything is somewhere in pi
[14:23] <sam> that's not proven, only conjectured
[14:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> is Pi h264 encoded ;-p
[14:23] <SpeedEvil> TheBrayn: True - but happening that soon would be a statistical anomoly.
[14:24] <TheBrayn> hmmm, pie
[14:25] <MasterGeek> Everything is possible, But you would have to take your head out of that box, you jammed it in.
[14:26] <TheBrayn> is it possible to make everything possible without taking my head out of the box?
[14:26] <Hodapp> no, not everything is possible.
[14:26] <Hodapp> That's just some shit they write on the walls in 3rd grade classrooms to get kids to do their homework.
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[14:29] <SpeedEvil> I want my mice with laser-eyes.
[14:29] <SpeedEvil> So I choose to believe that anything is possible.
[14:30] <teff> mice with laser eyes is easy if you dont mind them been dead
[14:31] <MasterGeek> The problem of compression is using simple addition, if a number doubles or halves on successive iterations.Then the sum of the first @64 iterations is 18,446,744,073,709,551,615, quick growth of exponential sequences, and geometric sequences expressed as exponents, the geometric series is: 20 + 21 + 22 + 23... and so forth up to 2^63 its not rocket science.
[14:31] <sam> wow MasterGeek is www.timecube.com your favourite website?
[14:32] <drazyl> I can haz big numberz?
[14:36] <MasterGeek> sam Its ok son, i understand. But you need to sharpen up on your trolling skills.
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> MasterGeek: just because you can make a file arbitrarily large with a small compressed paylad, doesn't mean you can make _specific_ files compress that well.
[14:37] <MasterGeek> oh ad the world is flat right ?
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[14:37] <MasterGeek> sure you can
[14:37] <MasterGeek> i just did
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> Then piss off, and find a venture capitalist.
[14:38] <sam> my trolling skills are OK I guess, I goatse'd CNN and other things
[14:38] <mm0zct> no, you have a specific output, which compresses to that size
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> You can make literally billions from this discovery.
[14:38] <ReggieUK> language!
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> And not single digit billions either.
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[14:39] <MasterGeek> lol thinks its a size hahah its not a size its a number
[14:39] <mm0zct> a number has a size
[14:40] <ReggieUK> my numbers are all at least 2mm
[14:40] <mm0zct> however many bits it takes to represent, is it's size
[14:40] <ReggieUK> x0.2"
[14:40] <ReggieUK> by 0.001km
[14:40] <drazyl> 1... 2... a lot
[14:40] <drazyl> iz all numberz needed
[14:41] <SpeedEvil> If you can take - and I'll be generous - any copy you can find of 'Metropolis' the movie (which is out of copyright which is why I picked it), and compress it to one thousandth of its size, in a bitwise identical form, I will pay you $100.
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[14:42] <drazyl> I haz a copy of metrpolz that can do that. iz bad copy, lookz like random junk
[14:42] <Dagger2> SpeedEvil: when you say "one thousandth of its size", does that include the size of the compression algorithm?
[14:42] <SpeedEvil> Dagger2: Of course.
[14:43] <Habbie> SpeedEvil, you need to put a limit on decompression time
[14:43] <Dagger2> because I can get it down to one bit if I'm allowed to make the algorithm arbitrarily large
[14:43] <SpeedEvil> Dagger2: It's trivial to generate a compression algorithm that will decode '1' to any file you want.
[14:43] <drazyl> 1 bit? I can do it in zero
[14:43] * SeracII wanders off to watch some paint dry..
[14:43] <SpeedEvil> If it is specific to that file.
[14:43] <Dagger2> (and if I'm allowed to tune it for this specific file)
[14:43] <MasterGeek> lol $100 hahahahhaha
[14:43] <SpeedEvil> Well - that too.
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[14:43] <drazyl> my algorithm ins stored on a dvd marked "metropolis", just put it in a dvd player and press "play" to execute
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[14:48] <MasterGeek> ok heres the basics, take a binary whole number 011101011100110000110101001 as large as you like, = "binary file" check to see if it divides equally by 2 if y do math / by 2 loop till end remember iterations = small number. no ?
[14:50] <sam> no. exactly the same size.
[14:51] <Habbie> MasterGeek, that number does not divide by 2 without truncation :)
[14:51] <mm0zct> what is "end"?
[14:51] <mm0zct> when it's zero?
[14:51] <hermanhermitage> i take it this just compresses infinite powers of 2?
[14:51] <mm0zct> and as Habbie said in gereral you will get itterations requiring the same number of bits to store as your original file
[14:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> you just count the devisions and then you get a 1 at the end you count thouse
[14:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[14:52] <hermanhermitage> which is 0% of files in the world.
[14:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> damn my typing
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[14:55] <sam> anyone ever tried a PS3 or X360 gamepad on the Pi? I'm looking for a tester
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[14:55] <Habbie> sam, what kind of tester are you looking for? i have a pi and two 360 gamepads :)
[14:55] <Habbie> sam, just haven't tried to combine those yet
[14:56] <sam> Habbie: for now it consists in running an executable on Raspbian and tell me whether the shape moves with the sticks :)
[14:56] <sam> one day there'll be a real game
[14:56] <Habbie> sam, i'd be happy to do that somewhere this weekend, would that work for you?
[14:57] <sam> Habbie: sure! let me know
[14:57] <Habbie> sam, best if you pop me an email with details at peter@7bits.nl so i don't forget
[14:57] <sam> okay, got it
[14:58] <InControl> Habbie: watch your spam level go up in 3,3,1 ...
[14:59] <Habbie> we'll see
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[14:59] <InControl> This channel has a google indexed log, so you email address will get picked up by spambots
[15:00] <Habbie> google already finds my address ~1100 times
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> Yay. Weather meter stuck up sort-of-appropriate pole.
[15:03] <sam> Habbie: e-mail sent
[15:03] <SpeedEvil> Now all I need to do is to hack into the base, and get the pi reading the bitstream.
[15:04] <Habbie> SpeedEvil, got it
[15:05] <Habbie> SpeedEvil, oops, ignore me
[15:05] <Habbie> sam, got it
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> what?
[15:05] <SpeedEvil> oh
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[15:10] <MasterGeek> RaTTuS|BIG, thats what the salt is, the iterations to git it back out
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[15:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah =- and then you can run it again over teh reulant data
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[15:20] <MasterGeek> Got the idea when i was reading Ancient Indian legends, The king was a big chess enthusiast and had the habit of challenging wise visitors to a game of chess. One day Krishna, challenged the king, The king lost 210 billion tons of rice that day
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[15:23] <sam> IOW 2**64 is large; thanks again
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[15:25] <drazyl> MasterGeek - you're doing it wrong. You take the binary date and count the zeros and ones, and then just store those numbers
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[16:09] <dirty_d> anyone using a usb wifi adapter with ath9k_htc driver?
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[16:10] <[SLB]> i just found out, that the usb cables from modmypi to power the rpi up, let only about 4.45v thru them, i used my htc phone charger cable with the charger itself (5V/1A) and i can get good 4.85V
[16:12] <InControl> A short USB cable shouldn't make that much difference
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[16:13] <dirty_d> hmm
[16:14] <[SLB]> i thought of that too because mine is shorter, but i also thought about cable quality, because too short may be a problem
[16:14] <dirty_d> i've loaded ath9k_htc and it loads and detects the usb wifi adapter
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[16:14] <dirty_d> but i have no new interface from ifconfig -a
[16:14] <dirty_d> any ideas?
[16:14] <[SLB]> sorry dirty_d i used a different adapter
[16:15] <dirty_d> wait its working
[16:15] <dirty_d> oh my god
[16:15] <dirty_d> i'm going to punch myself
[16:16] <dirty_d> wlan0 has been there the whole time, im just so used to seeing that on my PC that i expected to see wlan1, hahaha
[16:16] <[SLB]> eheh
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[16:16] <MasterGeek> ACTION is away: fuck this im outa here you people is bat shit crazy. But i luvs ya all the same!
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[16:18] <[SLB]> MasterGeek, i guess your irc client scripts are mispelling the / character :3
[16:18] <GriffenJBS> ReggieUK: you around?
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[16:38] <Habbie> sam, it looks like i have zero SDcards, so i won't be testing for you anytime soon - sorry
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[16:40] <thrawed> Habbie: they aren't that expensive nowadays
[16:41] <thrawed> Habbie: you should stock up
[16:42] <sam> Habbie: hehe, no worries, and thanks anyways :)
[16:44] <jouz> A question about the gpio UART: Pins 14/15 are by default muxed to UART0 TX/RX. I have trouble when connecting peripherials to it (XBee radio modules), and I'm trying to track down the error. Is it possible that there is a linux login terminal/shell hosted by default on this port by my linux distribution, causing my problems?
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[16:45] <markllama> it could be
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[16:46] <markllama> I'd have to check but I think I've been getting login prompts on the serial without needing to add a getty
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[16:47] <markllama> Well I know I didn't add a getty, and the only change I've been doing is to make sure that the /dev/ttyAsomethingsomething0 is in the cmdline.txt
[16:49] <markllama> #Spawn a getty on Raspberry Pi serial line
[16:49] <markllama> T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyAMA0 115200 vt100
[16:49] <markllama> from /etc/inittab on Rasbian
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[16:50] <jouz> markllama: thanks, I have that same line in ArchLinux ARM! I'll see if that's the problem!
[16:52] <Habbie> thrawed, i had 3 but they all went to other pi-users ;)
[16:52] <markllama> In general I *want* that line live because I run mine for play with nothing but 2 USB cables (power and console) and a network line (NAT upstream) to my netbook.
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[16:53] <Gabtendo> My Raspberry pi is supposed to arrive Tuesday ^.^
[16:53] <Gabtendo> ~4 weeks early
[16:53] <scriptx> cool! where did you order from?
[16:53] <Gabtendo> newark
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[16:55] <jouz> markllama: well, I removed it and it seemed to work, but when I open the port the rpi freezes
[16:55] <markllama> Hrmm.
[16:56] <markllama> That I dunno about. and I'd examine it usually by looking at the serial console output :-(
[16:56] <markllama> Your serial line has RX/TX/GND and 3.3v?
[16:56] <markllama> The GPIO serial is not RS232, it's TTL
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[16:58] <jouz> Yep, I have the XBee on a breakoutboard powered by the rpi's 5v. The UART pins on the XBee are regulated to 3.3V and connected to the rpi's RX/TX pins (I verified that they are *not* 5v logic).
[16:58] <InControl> Have you removed references to /dev/ttyAMA0 from /boot/cmdline.txt ?
[16:59] <jouz> and it's also grounded on the rpi, ofcourse
[17:00] <jouz> InControl: I'll double check
[17:00] <InControl> and disabled the getty on that serial port in /etc/inittab
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[17:01] <jouz> InControl: I still have it in there, how/what do I exactly remove in that file?
[17:01] <markllama> InControl: I think we got the inittab, I forgot to mention clearing the AMA0 in cmdline.txt
[17:01] <InControl> if it looks something like dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
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[17:01] <InControl> just change it to dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
[17:04] <InControl> oh and one more thing make suer your ID is a member of dialout group
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[17:04] <InControl> sudo usermod -a -G dialout pi
[17:04] <InControl> assuming you are using the default pi account
[17:05] <jouz> InControl: Removing that part from cmdline.txt now prevents the rpi from freezing! It's still not working as expected, but that might be my software :)
[17:06] <jouz> (or it's a permission problem as you suggest, I'll double check that, too!)
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[17:18] <unknownbit> i ordered raspberrypi @newark.. to US... will it arrive exactly 5weeks or less?
[17:18] <mikma> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-educational-linux-distro/ <- what's that? :D
[17:19] <drazyl> unknownbit - unknown
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[17:31] <Mrgoose2> anyone here using raspbmc?
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[17:33] <eril54> Hi ! Somebody can help my to install hostapd on the raspberry pi?
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[17:38] <eril54> Hi ! Somebody can help me to install hostapd on the raspberry pi?
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[17:50] <npm> hello... i noticed Qt 4.8.X is available on rasbpian after installing/running smplayer which has Qt dependency .... QUESTION: for Qt3d as well as for efficient video drivers, how does one enable GL in the rasbpian X config? (just got rasbpi's & trying to get video and GL stuff working)
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[17:51] <npm> and for Qt5 what would one install and launch in place of X server? note i have xserver-xorg-core installed which has /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so ... anybody got X configuration to share?
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[17:53] <npm> (see http://www.nielsmayer.com/bin/view/Raspberry+Pi/ for stuff I've done w/ my pi since I've had em for a few days)
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[17:57] <hotwings> err, you made a blog about you apt-get installing packages and aplay -l'ing? ...
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[17:58] <[SkG]> npm, there aren't accelerated X video drivers yet
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[18:03] <Hodapp> but you stiill have access to GLSL?
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[18:12] <npm> [SkG]: ah, that would explain my inability to find any... but what about all the X server extensions libdbe.so libdri2.so libdri.so libextmod.so libglx.so librecord.so
[18:12] <charolastra> hmm, i just bought a 2A charger and it now reads the same as my 1A charger ...4.80V; also with a 2A power bank; what's going on?
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[18:13] <npm> those extensions in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions part of rasbian xserver-xorg-core
[18:13] <npm> raspbian (hardest to spel evr)
[18:13] <InControl> where are you reading the voltage ?
[18:13] <charolastra> on TP 1 and 2
[18:14] <npm> hotwings: yeah, how else would you know how to switch from HDMI to audio jack?
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[18:15] <InControl> maybe it is the polyfuses
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[18:16] <InControl> charolastra: are you drawing a lot of current from the pi ?
[18:16] <charolastra> nothing is connected ....
[18:17] <InControl> no hdmi connected ?
[18:17] <charolastra> nope
[18:18] <charolastra> does hdmi draw alot?
[18:18] <InControl> strange then
[18:19] <InControl> either the PSUs you have bought are poor quality and don't supply the full 5v under load, or your meter is giving a false reading, or the polyfuses are causing problems
[18:20] <charolastra> what about the supplying micro-USB cable; might it drop the voltage that consitantly?
[18:20] <sam> npm: you won't be able to use GL the way you usually use it on Linux
[18:21] <npm> so can I use it the qt5 way through wayland?
[18:22] <npm> (i'm one of the qtonpi recipients, just got my device...)
[18:22] <InControl> Unless the cable is faulty a meter or two of USB cable should make no difference
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[18:23] <charolastra> thing is: it's slightly thinner than the standart USB wires; and it's the only thing in common on the 3 setups i've tested
[18:23] <npm> ultimate goal is to get http://www.nielsmayer.com/bin/view/MeeGo/QmlTube running in Qt5, which means Qt Multimedia support, EGL backend etc
[18:23] <sam> npm: no, the GL libraries do not use X at all, you need to create a context using the broadcom libraries
[18:24] <InControl> perhaps it is a cheap and nasty CCA cable
[18:24] <sam> npm: I reckon you could track the X window and cause the GL display to follow the window when it moves...
[18:24] <npm> yeah i saw http://benosteen.wordpress.com/2012/04/27/using-opengl-es-2-0-on-the-raspberry-pi-without-x-windows/ but was hoping for something Qt related :-)
[18:26] <Phosphate> Anyone managed to get pygame (or anything similar) running on raspbian?
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[18:27] <muep> I'd imagine pygame would be easy
[18:27] <Phosphate> I'd thought so too. Running into problems with video.h
[18:27] <muep> easy as in install it from the repos and it would run identically to how it does on bigger machines, albeit slower
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[18:28] <muep> video.h in a python library?
[18:28] <Phosphate> In the install
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[18:28] <muep> isn't it in the package repositories of raspbian?
[18:28] <muep> sounds like you are trying to build it yourself
[18:28] <Phosphate> nope, unless I'm looking for the wrong thing
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[18:29] <Phosphate> Trying to run the installer from the package yes
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[18:29] <npm> FYI, I'm able to play back video using mplayer and setting fbdev video output device ... best done from a remote terminal ... was able to play back SD but couldn't keep up w/ HD
[18:29] <muep> Phosphate: at least stock wheezy has python-pygame
[18:30] <Phosphate> Yeah I know was just hoping to stick with raspbian
[18:31] <npm> it's here: python-pygame - SDL bindings for games development in Python
[18:31] <muep> I did not mean to imply that you should use the wheezy package
[18:31] <npm> missing SDL?
[18:31] <Phosphate> I'm trying to do simple video output to a cheap composite LCD
[18:31] <ziltro2> Are TP1 and 2 before or after the polyfuses?
[18:31] <muep> but since raspbian is a rebuild of wheezy, you'd mostly expect to find the same packages in it
[18:31] <Phosphate> Ive got SDL installed now, oh wait I was trying python-game
[18:32] <ziltro2> I assume the micro USB connector and GPIO 5v pins are both on the same side, ie. before the polyfuses?
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[18:32] <Phosphate> Thanks npm
[18:33] <ziltro2> npm: What video codec did that work with?
[18:33] <InControl> ziltro2: no I think the micro USB is before the polyfuses and the TP and GPIO pins after
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[18:33] <npm> ziltro2: which?
[18:33] <npm> oh the playback of video...
[18:33] <ziltro2> npm: mplayer with SD video to fbdev.
[18:33] <npm> best thing to do is install 'gst123'
[18:33] <npm> it'll haul in every codec known
[18:33] <ziltro2> Yeah. if it were MPEG2 that would be fantastic. :)
[18:34] <InControl> The polyfuse is there as an attempt to stop you drawing to much current
[18:34] <ziltro2> InControl: The GPIO pins sais the they go through the polyfuses, and I was using them to supply current rather then drawer it, so perhaps I read it wrong.
[18:35] <ziltro2> I mean, the pinout for the GPIO pins says they go through the polyfuses.
[18:36] <ziltro2> npm: Do you know which codec you used which worked?
[18:36] <InControl> I may be wrong but I think the polyfuse is on the micro USB input, you can indeed power the Pi from the GPIO but then I think the polyfuse is not in the way
[18:37] <ziltro2> I was reading it from the point of view of supplying current, not drawing it, so I think I misunderstood what they meant.
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[18:37] <InControl> Only way to be sure would be to look at the schematic
[18:37] <ziltro2> I guess so.
[18:38] <ziltro2> Or do some short circuiting and see what makes it go wrong. :)
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[18:39] <npm> ziltro2: one of the HD's Stream #0.0[0x7c0]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 1280x720 [PAR 1:1DAR 16:9], 38810 kb/s, 62.39 fps, 59.94 tbr, 90k tbn, 119.88 tbc
[18:39] <npm> see http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2010-July/028398.html
[18:39] <ziltro2> npm: That's fantastic! I'll have to have a go. :)
[18:39] <ziltro2> That means I could play DVDs.
[18:40] <npm> don't get your hopes up :-)
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[18:40] <npm> it was able to play a few frames of video before glitching...
[18:41] <ziltro2> DVDs are MPEG2.
[18:41] <npm> i was able to watch terminator3 on svcd
[18:41] <npm> and it was watchable
[18:41] <ziltro2> Well that's good
[18:41] <npm> but i don't think you can flow that many more pixels to the screen w/o some hardware assist and drivers
[18:42] <npm> thus svcd worked but dvd didn't
[18:42] <ziltro2> Oh, SVCD is a smaller resolution?
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[18:42] <npm> yeah
[18:42] <ziltro2> I did not know that.
[18:43] <npm> it's like a svhs quality
[18:43] <npm> vga i think
[18:43] <ziltro2> I actually saw a legitimate SVCD on sale once. I should have bought it. It was in Dubai Airport.
[18:43] <ziltro2> Which is where all the world's audio tapes seem to have gone too.
[18:43] <npm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Video_CD
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[18:46] <npm> anyways installing http://www.nielsmayer.com/bin/view/Raspberry+Pi/Stream+anything+with+gst123 is a quick way to get all the needed codecs and more w/o thinking too much
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[18:50] <sam> I think software codecs are pretty useless on the Pi
[18:50] <hotwings> [09:12:17] <npm> hotwings: yeah, how else would you know how to switch from HDMI to audio jack? <-- just read one of the bazillion howtos?
[18:51] <npm> and your point other than being smartass and wasting time?
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[18:53] <sam> I suggest everyone hug now and talk about how raspberries taste delicious
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[18:58] <npm> i personally think that posting the sourcecode for an answer http://www.nielsmayer.com/bin/view/Raspberry+Pi/Switch+HDMI+to+Headphone+Audio beats reading a bazillion howtos most of which are outdated...
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[19:00] <hotwings> npm - you should take notice of the topic here.. specifically the part that says "** No Foul Language **"
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[19:02] <ziltro2> I'm not sure a URL is all that foul.
[19:04] <dmsuse> ^^
[19:04] <hotwings> obviously thats not what im referring to
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[19:06] <mikma> meh, you need to scroll up to see the violation
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[19:07] <ziltro2> Hmm. Couldn't see anything. Maybe I didn't look back far enough. Not that it matters.
[19:07] <dmsuse> there was nothingandi agree he should keep quiet if he doesn't know the answer
[19:07] <mikma> he made a comment about being a smartdonkey
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[19:07] <jouz> Hey I'm back with my UART issue. I have an XBee properly connected to the UART_0 rx/tx pins. I have removed all references to ttyAMA0 from /etc/inittab and cmdline.txt. Now whenever I open the serialport (using minicom or from my own software) *with the XBee plugged in*, the RPi freezes forever. When, however, I first open the serialport and then plug the XBee in, everything works as expected!
[19:08] <jouz> (It's not the XBee's fault, btw. The same thing happents when hooking up a UART debugger or other serial devices)
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[19:09] <InControl> jouz: you tried the permissions ?
[19:10] <hotwings> dmsuse - pay attention better i guess.
[19:10] <jouz> Check, I'm using the root user for all experiments
[19:12] <ziltro2> That does sound odd. How can connecting something make that much difference.
[19:12] <ziltro2> What if you only connect TX or only RX?
[19:12] <ziltro2> I assume there's only three pins, TX, TR, GND?
[19:13] <plugwash> are you positive it's connected right
[19:13] <plugwash> and that you haven't screwed up and connected two transmit lines together
[19:13] <plugwash> also what voltage is the serial on the xbee?
[19:13] <jouz> ziltro2: I tried just connecting the RX, no problem. Only if TX is connected the problem occurs.
[19:14] <jouz> Voltages are proper: only operating at 3,3V
[19:14] <ziltro2> jouz: Have you tried with only TX connected?
[19:14] <InControl> RX on the Pi or RX on the Xbee ?
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[19:14] <hotwings> maybe theres a race condition
[19:14] <jouz> ziltro2: yes, whenever the TX of the RPi is connected only, the problem occurs.
[19:15] <jouz> (alone or with the RX)
[19:15] <ziltro2> OK, that is odd...
[19:15] <ziltro2> Theretocally it shouldn't know when something is connected, should it?
[19:15] <ziltro2> To TX only?
[19:15] <InControl> are there pull-ups on the Xbee ?
[19:16] <jouz> Uhm, yes I read somewhere there are pull-ups on my XBee version
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[19:16] <jouz> As I said *only* when opening the serialport AND the device is connected it freezes. Opening it without the device being connected works (and plugging the device afterwards works, too!)
[19:16] <InControl> well it might be that the pull-up resistors on the Pi and the Xbee together make to low resistance
[19:17] <jouz> but how is that connected to the problem occuring only on opening the port in software?
[19:17] <InControl> not sure unless opening the port pulls it low
[19:17] <jouz> hmm
[19:18] <jouz> I don't have a scope at hand right now :/
[19:18] <ziltro2> Opening the port might do some kind of reset which makes it turn into a GPIO pin rather than serial for a moment? (just guessing!)
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[19:20] <jouz> (I have to correct myself: issue also occurs when RX is connected)
[19:20] <jouz> or rather: even when only RX is connected
[19:21] <InControl> and does the same with other serial devices
[19:21] <jouz> InControl: yes exactly
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[19:21] <InControl> how are you converting to 3.3V ?
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[19:21] <ziltro2> Can the RX pin safely be shorted to 0v or +3.3v?
[19:22] <ziltro2> I would assume that's all the serial transmission is doing.
[19:22] <ziltro2> Perhaps through a resistor.
[19:22] <jouz> InControl: the xbee operates at 3.3V
[19:22] <InControl> I thought you were powering it from 5V
[19:22] <jouz> yes, I first had it connected to a breakout board that was meant to be powered by 5v.
[19:23] <jouz> but now I just power the XBee's 3.3v directly from the RPi's 3.3V out
[19:23] <ziltro2> Might be worth trying to connect RX to 0v and see if opening the port causes a problem, then trying again connecting RX to 3.3v?
[19:24] <jouz> ziltro2: will try!
[19:24] <ziltro2> If that is safe!
[19:24] <InControl> ok, I guess you could try connecting the Pi Tx to its own RX and see if it crashes then
[19:24] <ziltro2> Or through a resistor etc.
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[19:24] <ziltro2> Yeah, TX to RX would be good too.
[19:24] <jouz> UH funny observation: closing the port and reopening is not a problem once it was connected...
[19:24] <jouz> (so I have to reboot first every time to be sure...)
[19:25] <ziltro2> Ah, like testing Coreboot.
[19:26] <ziltro2> The reset button on a PC doesn't turn off/uninitialise the devices on the motherboard, so you actually have to remove power every time you test. :)
[19:29] <jouz> -_-
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[19:30] <hotwings> ???_???
[19:30] <Matt> ziltro2: assuming you don't have a board with ipmi
[19:30] <Matt> where you can tell the BMC to powercycle the board
[19:31] <ziltro2> Oh that might work, yes.
[19:31] <ziltro2> I had a P2.
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[19:31] <ziltro2> Or was it a P3?
[19:31] <Matt> one of these days I'll play with coreboot
[19:31] <ziltro2> Old free desktop. :)
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[19:31] <ziltro2> Yeah it is kinda fun.
[19:31] <Matt> it's a matter of having a board that's likely to work that I don't mind trashing
[19:32] <ziltro2> Mmm, if you can find one with a flash chip compatible with another motherboard's flash socket you're okay
[19:32] <Matt> actually, the tyan S2882 claims to be supported
[19:32] <Matt> and I've got one of those on my bench :)
[19:33] <jouz> Just to confirm, the following works: [powercycle] boot -> open serialport (no device connected) -> connect device -> reboot (leave device connected) -> open com port
[19:33] <ziltro2> Does it have a socketed flash chip?
[19:33] <Matt> I believe so
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[19:35] <ziltro2> Ah, AMD. Yes AMD are good with Coreboot support.
[19:35] <ziltro2> They actually write and release the code themselves, and for their latest chipsets!
[19:36] <Matt> the 2882 is a nice ancient board :)
[19:36] <Matt> doesn't even support dual-core cpus
[19:36] <Matt> (you need the 2882-D for that)
[19:37] <[SLB]> anyone playing with the init_emmc_clock setting?
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[19:41] <jouz> ziltro2: I've been through all proposed scenarios - none of then showed the failiure :/
[19:41] <ziltro2> jouz: Darn, that is really odd!
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[19:43] <Gabtendo> I'm taking this alcohol course that they're making me take before I can move into a dorm
[19:43] <Gabtendo> it's freakin' stuipd
[19:44] <MasterGeek> jouz, i set commandline.txt to >> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait
[19:44] <ziltro2> So you have to learn how to get drunk properly before becoming a student? :)
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[19:45] <jouz> MasterGeek: yeah but that's not what I want, as I don't want to have prompt on the serialport. I want to connect it to an XBee
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[19:46] <MasterGeek> oh
[19:46] <MasterGeek> srr misunderstood
[19:46] <jouz> :)
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[19:48] <MasterGeek> and you commented out inittab line 55 ? to #2:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyAMA0 115200 vt100 ?
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[19:49] <jouz> MasterGeek: check!
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[19:50] <MasterGeek> its just that you said you was trying minicom
[19:51] <jouz> yeah I tried minicom to talk to the XBee from the RPi
[19:53] <MasterGeek> thats how i got mine to talk to the gsm module, commented out the above line in inittab and cchanged the commandline.txt to ^^^^^^ then it worked
[19:54] <jouz> MasterGeek, well, In principle my XBee works, too. The RPi just freezes when opening the port from software /after/ the XBee is connected. If you first open the serialport and then connect the XBee, everything works fine.
[19:55] <MasterGeek> yep same kept happen to me
[19:55] <jouz> Did you fix it?
[19:55] <MasterGeek> yer
[19:55] <MasterGeek> with the above^^^
[19:56] <jouz> oh... then I'll be sure to try it (although it seems odd leaving this in.... anyway, will try right now!)
[19:57] <MasterGeek> your doing sudo minicom foo for the test right ?
[20:00] <jouz> (I'm doing as root: minicom -b 57600 -o -D /dev/ttyAMA0)
[20:00] <jouz> btw, it still freezes for me :(
[20:01] <MasterGeek> strange its working one way n not the other.
[20:01] <MasterGeek> duno then
[20:02] <jouz> What distro are you using?
[20:02] <MasterGeek> raspbian
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[20:06] <MasterGeek> did your try minicom -b 57600 /dev/ttyAMA0 without the flags?
[20:06] <MasterGeek> srr sudo minicom -b 57600 /dev/ttyAMA0 without the flags?
[20:07] <jouz> well, you have to use -D before /dev/tty... but otherwise: yes, same result.
[20:08] <jouz> the error seems software agnostic anyways - whatever I try to use opening the serial port (my own software or a serial console like minicom) it doens't work...
[20:09] <InControl> perhaps worth trying an image of squeeze
[20:09] <Gabtendo> I don't drink, but this mandatory alcohol education course provides good motivation to try alcohol as a way to relieve stress.
[20:10] <hotwings> the irony there is that alcohol is a depressant
[20:11] <jouz> InControl: I'll see If I have another SD card lying around ^^
[20:12] <hotwings> if the problem is minicom, just download the package from stable and try it. no need to do a whole install
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> phew! 2 day Linux/Pi/Interfacing training done!
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> So what's happening in the world or Pi :)
[20:13] <ziltro2> Perhaps you should turn up to Drunk Education with a beer bottle? :)
[20:13] <ziltro2> Maybe not with beer in...
[20:13] <MasterGeek> go in style take a 6 pack
[20:13] <ziltro2> Or a large vodka bottle filled with water.
[20:13] <hotwings> no way man... flask!
[20:14] <hotwings> take a pull off the flask every now & then.. see how long it takes before someone says something.. then when they do, point out that youre just drinking tang from it
[20:15] <MasterGeek> omg psy op
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> I've used minicom on the Pi to talk to ATmegas - works fine.
[20:15] <InControl> gordonDrogon: using raspbian ?
[20:16] <MasterGeek> lol
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> InControl, yea, but I used it with Debian Squeeze too.
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[20:18] <gordonDrogon> I normally run minicom -s, then use the menus to set parameters, etc. and save a profile.
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/minirc.ama0
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> that's what I was using last night to talk to an ATmega @ 9600 baud.
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[20:20] <gordonDrogon> drop that in /etc/minicom, then minicom ama0
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[20:22] <jouz> As I said, the problem is not the software at all, as it fails with every software... ;)
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[20:25] <InControl> well not minicom but could be a kernel driver issue or something
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[20:34] <wad> I made a lego case for my pi! http://wadhome.org/~wad/pi/pi.jpg
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[20:37] <rtyler> wad: is the pi just sitting in there, or is it fixed in place?
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[20:44] <t7> im having trouble with the raspbian image
[20:45] <t7> specifically sshd
[20:45] <t7> can anyone help me
[20:45] <kaptainkibosh> what's the issue?
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[20:46] <t7> I dd the image onto the pi
[20:46] <t7> ssh into it and sudo raspi-config
[20:46] <t7> turning ssh on and desktop off
[20:46] <t7> the sudo reboot
[20:46] <t7> now the ssh port is closed :(
[20:46] <t7> done it twice now just to make sure i didnt mess up
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[20:48] <t7> kaptainkibosh: any ideas?
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[20:48] <kaptainkibosh> when you say the ssh port is closed, you mean you try to ssh into the box and get an error?
[20:49] <kaptainkibosh> specifically after disconnecting?
[20:49] <t7> yeah nmap says its up
[20:49] <t7> but no ports open
[20:49] <t7> after doing sudo reboot
[20:50] <t7> guess im gonna have to run in emulator till its set up correctly
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[20:50] <t7> (i have no usb keyboard)
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[20:50] <kaptainkibosh> can't say i've had that happen
[20:51] <[SLB]> are you sure it didn't change the ip?
[20:51] <[SLB]> i did the same steps from raspi-config and it works for me
[20:51] <kaptainkibosh> but i'm curious what your sshd_config file looks like after making those changes in raspi-config
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[20:51] <kaptainkibosh> also curious what would happen if you tried
[20:51] <t7> [SLB]: not acording to nmap
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[20:52] <kaptainkibosh> '/etc/init.d/ssh restart' before rebooting
[20:52] <t7> ok let me try again :)
[20:52] <kaptainkibosh> just poking in the dark
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[20:52] <AthomIk> hello
[20:52] <kaptainkibosh> but its almost like perhaps the config program disables the openssh daemon
[20:52] <AthomIk> i try to install raspbian on usb hdd
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[20:53] <AthomIk> but where i can change /boot and /raspbian after install ?
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[20:53] <AthomIk> i have creat /raspiboot on sd card
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[20:54] <t7> kaptainkibosh: maybe its because im running raspi-config over ssh....
[20:55] <AthomIk> how i can have thy machine work after install with installer on hd usb
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[20:55] <AthomIk> i have a /rpiboot on sdcard
[20:55] <AthomIk> and swap on hd usb
[20:56] <AthomIk> i have change cmdline.txt for have /dev/sda1 on root
[20:56] <kaptainkibosh> i've ran it over ssh and haven't had the issue you're describing
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[20:58] <MasterGeek> change the cndline.txt to read @ the end of line 1 root=/dev/sda1 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait where sda1 is your dev
[20:59] <AthomIk> MasterGeek: ok but where i can change /boot and /rpiboot
[20:59] <AthomIk> because i boot again on installer
[20:59] <MasterGeek> make sure /boot is empty on sda1
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[21:00] <ziltro2> Out of curiosity, can root= be a UUID?
[21:00] <AthomIk> i havent /boot on sda1...
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[21:01] <AthomIk> hummm i must mount my usb hd on linux pc and see for /boot.... ?
[21:01] <MasterGeek> ziltro2, yer think it can
[21:01] <MasterGeek> it helps
[21:02] <AthomIk> installer create on / an /boot ?
[21:02] <MasterGeek> i only use linux so i assume every one else does
[21:02] <AthomIk> i must remove /boot on my usb hd ?
[21:02] <MasterGeek> i have /boot but its empty
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[21:03] <AthomIk> pffff
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[21:03] <AthomIk> exist bsd on rapsberry ?
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[21:05] <narcos> Hi all. I don't currently have access to a USB keyboard. Am trying to get my Pi up and running. I've plugged it into my laptop via ethernet and assigned it an IP via DHCP, but it appears SSH has not been setup. Chrooting into the SDcard seems tricky as the arch is different. Is there a way I can manually setup sshd? ie normally I'd run sshd-generate and then set a password
[21:05] <t7> does sudo reboot work for you guys?
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[21:06] <narcos> I guess I could add sshd-generate to rc.local, so it generates ssh keys on boot...
[21:06] <javispedro> narcos: it was quite hard here, I had to manually add the sshd symlink to /etc/rc2.d and generate the keys then move them to /etc/ssh/
[21:07] <javispedro> narcos: on raspbian image I got there is a setup script on rc.local that does that, but it probably waits for keyboard input iirc
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[21:07] <javispedro> well, not really hard, just a pain.
[21:08] <narcos> javispedro: Right I'll try the rc.local approach
[21:08] <javispedro> narcos: you still need to add sshd to runlevel 2
[21:08] <javispedro> or equivalent in your distro
[21:08] <javispedro> saved you a reboot ;)
[21:09] <MasterGeek> So the official distro RPF supports is ?
[21:11] <AthomIk> exist bsd on rapsberry ?
[21:11] <AthomIk> because bsd not crash like linux
[21:11] <[SLB]> /boot on / is the mount point of the boot partition
[21:12] <narcos> javispedro: heh. So I have sshd-generate; /etc/init.d/ssh start; echo "pi:pi" | chpasswd; echo "root:root" | chpasswd
[21:12] <MasterGeek> hang on a second im sure someone will go git that info from google for you
[21:12] <mru> AthomIk: sorry, what do you mean not crash like linux?
[21:12] <narcos> javispedro: Am I missing anything? :)
[21:12] <[SLB]> t7> does sudo reboot work for you guys? < yes
[21:13] <javispedro> narcos: rpasbian did have a default password for user pi, but, hey :)
[21:13] <narcos> just in case :P
[21:13] <AthomIk> ok thanks i must work return
[21:13] <narcos> right, let's boot...
[21:13] <AthomIk> bye
[21:13] <narcos> brb
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[21:15] <MasterGeek> Seems someone started to port FreeBSD to Raspberry Pi:
[21:15] <MasterGeek> https://github.com/gonzoua and http://kernelnomicon.org/
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[21:16] <MasterGeek> http://mail-index.netbsd.org/port-arm/2012/07/13/msg001367.html
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[21:19] <Iota> Anyone fancy a raspberryip.org/.com subdomain?
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[21:23] <wad> I've been having some keyboard issues. Every once in a while, it goes wrong. Keys don't press, it takes a few tries, and then they will often "stick", and repeat over and over.
[21:23] <wad> Anyone else see this?
[21:24] <wad> If I unplug the keyboard from the USB, and then plug it back in, it works right for a while.
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[21:25] <wad> It seems to buffer up a number of keypresses, too.
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[21:25] <wad> Just now, I typed "abcde" and got "ade". Then I pressed backspace three times, and got nothing. Then 2 seconds later, it did all three backspaces in rapid succession.
[21:26] <wad> This is typing in the terminal window under X.
[21:26] <Iota> It's just a slight hang, as far as I can tell, most people experience this.
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[21:27] <wad> Really? It makes the device very difficult to use.
[21:27] <wad> And sometimes it works great.
[21:28] <BCMM> is rpi-update included in the new default raspbian image?
[21:28] <BCMM> i can't seem to find it
[21:28] <wad> BCMM: Ask in #raspbian ?
[21:29] <BCMM> wad: ok
[21:29] <techsurvivor> anyone got a uvc camera streaming on the rpi? I have had some success with motion but it's pretty slow. I was hoping to set up an rtsp stream with vlc like I can on windows, but vlc doesn't seem to work very well; I've also tried ffserver and ffmpeg combination
[21:30] <[SLB]> no BCMM
[21:31] <BCMM> [SLB]: is there a package for it in repos?
[21:31] <techsurvivor> you just get it from hexxeh's website can't you ?
[21:31] <[SLB]> BCMM, have a look at the readme here https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[21:31] <BCMM> also, what's that menu that appears on first boot called? dismissed it by accident and want another look at it
[21:31] <t7> dd from a class 10 16 gig card is so slow :(
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[21:31] <[SLB]> raspi-config
[21:32] <BCMM> i assumed it was the was rpi-config i'd heard about but that command
[21:32] <BCMM> oh
[21:32] <BCMM> well i can't spell i guess thx
[21:32] <[SLB]> yw
[21:32] <techsurvivor> t7 have you tried a bs=1M or equivalent?
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[21:32] <techsurvivor> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/
[21:33] <techsurvivor> it's all right there :)
[21:34] <t7> techsurvivor: no i forgot
[21:34] <techsurvivor> that will probably speed it up a bit
[21:35] <BCMM> also, anybody got a Kingston microsd card? does the card itself have kingston on it or just the adaptor?
[21:35] <rvl> when running fdisk -l it seems I only have 1791 mb (on a 8gb ssd) with almost a fresh arch linux install
[21:35] <rvl> is that normal?
[21:35] <BCMM> wondering if mine is genuine since the pi has issues with it
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[21:36] <techsurvivor> i have 3 brands here and haven't had any issues... none are kingston though
[21:37] <rvl> I think mine is kingston if I can recall :)
[21:37] <techsurvivor> well not since the original image, I had issues with that. I assume you're using the latest official release ?
[21:37] <[SLB]> i guess you have to expand the partition
[21:37] <BCMM> rvl: is it a uSD + adaptor or full SD?
[21:37] <techsurvivor> the new menu that prompts you at the start will expand your partition, but that's debian.
[21:37] <rvl> full sd, installed archlinux
[21:38] <[SLB]> may need to use parted or equivalent tool
[21:38] <techsurvivor> you can use gparted on linux
[21:38] <BCMM> rvl: nm i was wanting to know what a kingston uSD looks like. thanks anyway
[21:38] <techsurvivor> i'm glad they added it to the setup program though :)
[21:38] <Iota> http://hexxeh.raspberryip.org/ Fancy your own raspberryip subdomain? http://freedns.afraid.org/domain/registry/?q=raspberryip
[21:38] <techsurvivor> so no one has tried to stream their camera on rpi ?
[21:39] <rvl> this is the dump http://pastebin.com/WAj52LaU
[21:39] <[SLB]> i also have a kingston ?SD+adapter
[21:39] <[SLB]> i did techsurvivor
[21:39] <techsurvivor> what did you use?
[21:39] <techsurvivor> i used motion but it was slow as molasses
[21:39] <[SLB]> mjpeg-streamer
[21:39] <techsurvivor> did you have to build it? it's not in the repo
[21:39] <[SLB]> for stream, or for frames fswebcam
[21:39] <[SLB]> yes i had to
[21:39] <techsurvivor> i guess I should give that a go heh. i read someone else using it
[21:39] <rvl> it sais it has 8gb capacity but it seems the linux partition only uses about 1.8gb.
[21:39] <techsurvivor> and various sites saying "hey use this" for linu
[21:40] <[SLB]> (in)completed with errors but still works so yea
[21:40] <techsurvivor> linux*
[21:40] <[SLB]> eheh
[21:40] <rvl> correct?
[21:40] <techsurvivor> i had high hopes for vlc
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[21:40] <techsurvivor> rvl use gparted to expand it on a linux box if you have one
[21:40] <[SLB]> it's good and fast, and i have a very old creative webcam, very surprised
[21:40] <techsurvivor> it's very easy to use
[21:41] <techsurvivor> parted is a bit more confusing
[21:41] <techsurvivor> SLB thanks, I'll download and build it
[21:41] <[SLB]> yw
[21:45] <techsurvivor> SLB looks like I might need the kernel headers? do you know what package those are in?
[21:45] <techsurvivor> linux-kernel-headers, derp
[21:45] <[SLB]> hm i didn't install them
[21:45] <[SLB]> moment let me check
[21:46] <techsurvivor> it couldn't find linux/videodev.h, which I assume is a kernel header
[21:46] <techsurvivor> it seems I already have them installed
[21:47] <techsurvivor> libv4l-dev is probably what i need according to stack overflow
[21:48] <[SLB]> you have a similar file name in the headers, i don't remember the name now, maybe is like videodev2.h just make a copy of it
[21:48] <techsurvivor> care to share the command line you used for mjpeg streamer though ? those are always tricky to figure out, my device is on /dev/video0 of course
[21:48] <[SLB]> with the correct name
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[21:49] <[SLB]> yes moment
[21:50] <[SLB]> mjpg_streamer -i './input_uvc.so -d /dev/video0 -r 320x240 -f 15' -o './output_http.so -w ./www -p 9999'
[21:50] <[SLB]> from withing the folder itself, or use full paths
[21:51] <t7> whomever maintains raspbian might wanna know that raspi-config doesnt work over ssh
[21:51] <t7> only localy
[21:52] <t7> (thats the conclusion of my testing anyway)
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[21:55] <wad> Okay, my pi is basically unusable, unless I ssh into it.
[21:55] <wad> The keyboard is completely flakey.
[21:56] <wad> It takes half a dozen tries to type each word.
[21:56] <wad> But only sometimes.
[21:56] <wad> Other times, it works fine.
[21:56] <wad> Soemthing is wrong.
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[21:59] <sam> does top say anything interesting?
[21:59] <markllama> direct cable USB or wireless?
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[22:00] <mikma> wad: power issue?
[22:01] <wmat> no sure if this was posted yet: http://youtu.be/7DSp77OxzLg Raspberry Pi: Developing with Java Embedded Technology
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[22:03] <Hukka> Anyone else have a problem with openelec that the board cannot reboot without rewriting the sd card?
[22:03] <Hukka> Raspbian is working fine on the same board
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[22:05] <sam> I'm still looking for someone with Raspbian + a PS3 or Xbox 360 pad, to tell me whether a small program I made works
[22:05] <[SkG]> sam, I have both
[22:05] <[SkG]> but Xbox pad is wireless
[22:05] <[SkG]> dont have the adaptor
[22:06] <sam> ah, I don't know how to use a wireless pad :(
[22:06] <sam> oh wait did you mean you got a PS3 one as well?
[22:06] <[SkG]> and ps3... i dont know if connecting it usb works
[22:06] <[SkG]> because its wireless also
[22:06] <sam> it should work with the wire, yes; just requires one press to the PS button
[22:07] <[SkG]> k, the ps3 isn't mine, is from my brother so... I dont knew it
[22:07] <sam> [SkG]: the test program is http://zoy.org/~sam/raspi/joytest if you can spare a few seconds to test
[22:07] <[SkG]> k, let me finish something
[22:08] <sam> sure
[22:09] <[SkG]> ok
[22:09] <[SkG]> I'm here
[22:09] <[SkG]> connected it and detected as input
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[22:11] <[SkG]> phone ringing, wait.
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[22:12] <Berry_HK> which industrial PSU would you use for the PI?
[22:12] <dirty_d> what ever happened to linux 3.5?
[22:12] <dirty_d> im confused about how the versioning works
[22:12] <dirty_d> 3.5 is no longer on kernel.org's main page
[22:13] <[SkG]> hmm sam libSDL is required,
[22:13] <[SkG]> any other?
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[22:13] <[SkG]> well is the only one missing
[22:14] <Berry_HK> http://topkinglamp.en.alibaba.com/product/309388024-209810073/LED_Transformer_AC_DC_switching_power_supply_3_3V_5V_9V_12V_15V_24V_28V_36V_48V_15W_not_waterproof.html
[22:14] <sam> [SkG]: oh, yes, libsdl1.2debian
[22:14] <Berry_HK> could something like that work?
[22:14] <sam> [SkG]: also, permissions for the OpenGL driver stuff
[22:14] <[SkG]> yep, that is ok
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[22:15] <[SkG]> ok sam got it
[22:16] <sam> it should display a 3D shape, then the thumb sticks should rotate and zoom it
[22:16] <sam> that's all but I have no idea whether it works on the raspi
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[22:16] <[SkG]> lets say that... I dont know if the controller is working...
[22:16] <[SkG]> lol
[22:17] <[SkG]> I press the ps button
[22:17] <[SkG]> no led
[22:17] <[SkG]> and cant move /rotate
[22:17] <sam> I think Linux doesn't ack the PS button anyway and it keeps blinking forever
[22:17] <[SkG]> no blinks
[22:18] <dreamon_> Anybody here how tried out the one wire ds18b20 on gpio?
[22:18] <sam> but well, if it doesn't work on the first try, it means I need to wait for my Pi in order to debug
[22:18] <[SkG]> (I didnt used before an PS controller lol, I borrowed it to my brother
[22:18] <sam> [SkG]: thanks for trying though; does Esc quit at least?
[22:18] <[SkG]> lol I'm using ssh and... nop
[22:20] <sam> heh, okay, complete failure then
[22:22] <techsurvivor> [SLB]: thanks for you help, i'm still getting packages mjpeg streamer packages that it needs but I'm sure I can fix it (got latest subversion)
[22:23] <techsurvivor> i don't know why they make it this hard with so many dependencies :)
[22:25] <[SLB]> yw techsurvivor
[22:25] <[SLB]> eheh
[22:25] <[SLB]> i think i just renamed that header file
[22:25] <techsurvivor> i tried that and got a bazillion things missing :(
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[22:26] <techsurvivor> not sure what the difference is, where did you get the source code from? i'm waiting on imagemagick to install right now
[22:26] <techsurvivor> for some stupid reason the make file is using "convert" from that tool suite
[22:26] <techsurvivor> they should leave that to "make tests" or something :P
[22:27] <[SLB]> ah i installed libjpeg8-dev or something, have a look at that
[22:27] <techsurvivor> yeah, did that as well ;)
[22:27] <[SLB]> oh eheh
[22:27] <techsurvivor> i'm going down the rabbit hole, i believe I'll be able to get it to build
[22:27] <[SLB]> the source from sourceforge
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[22:28] <techsurvivor> i got their latest svn. we'll see, I need to add in the hard float CFLAGS too I think
[22:28] <techsurvivor> pretty sure it will want to use the fpu
[22:28] <[SLB]> but as i said the compilation didn't finish without errors, though it worked so i didn't care of the rest
[22:28] <techsurvivor> all that jpg stuff does
[22:28] <techsurvivor> ah, yeah that might be true, i didn't check the out put ;)
[22:28] <[SLB]> then i did make clean all and that's it
[22:28] <[SLB]> eheh
[22:29] <techsurvivor> i'll let you know. did you turn on hard float?
[22:29] <techsurvivor> I don't think gcc will use it unless you specify
[22:29] <[SLB]> hm i didn't change anything
[22:29] <techsurvivor> okay, will let you know, i think we can optimize it a bit :)
[22:29] <[SLB]> nice eheh okai :)
[22:30] <techsurvivor> gcc -O2 -march=armv6 -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=hard think we're looking for these in addition to the other CFLAGS
[22:31] <techsurvivor> lower that cpu utilization!
[22:31] <[SLB]> oh eheh
[22:31] <sam> Y U NO cross-compile?
[22:31] <[SLB]> that was quick anyway
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[22:32] <techsurvivor> don't have it set up, the packages have been enough for me so far
[22:32] <mru> sam: apparently people find that concept scary
[22:32] <techsurvivor> i have cross compiled the kernel, i just didn't want to full bore and do all that qemu stuff
[22:32] <markllama> I just haven't seen a good "how to" and I'm in the middle of badly writing too many others myself to take on one more.
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[22:33] <markllama> why would you need qemu to cross compile?
[22:33] <markllama> that's what "cross" means: Building for arch A on arch B.
[22:33] <techsurvivor> where else are you going to be able to get all the sources that you need to build all the dependencies?
[22:34] <sam> in raspbian
[22:34] <techsurvivor> it's hard enough just getting the kernel to cross compile, i don't even know where to start on getting the rest of it
[22:34] * markllama kinda used to build M68K systems (And Windows C compilers) on SunOS 4 (way pre virt days)
[22:34] <Hodapp> I'd heard old mc68k was a very nice architecture to work with
[22:34] <markllama> but I haven't needed to do cross work in decades, so... Hrrm.
[22:34] <techsurvivor> i'm interested, just haven't done it :)
[22:35] <Hodapp> and I know that circa 2008 a company I worked for was still using the 68K for some embedded designs
[22:35] <sam> I use the following cross-compilation instructions: http://lol.zoy.org/wiki/dev/setup/raspi-cross-builder
[22:35] <markllama> hell people are still using 6502s and 8080 derivatives
[22:35] <techsurvivor> is there even a badly written "get started" somewhere that tells you where to fetch all the sources? i have a cross-ng setup for kernel builds
[22:35] <Hodapp> 8051 is still used in traffic lights[citation needed]
[22:35] <markllama> small cheap reliable
[22:35] <techsurvivor> they're used all over :)
[22:36] <rvl> they are indeed still used
[22:36] <techsurvivor> real time doesn't always mean "super computer" :)
[22:36] <Hodapp> they kept making the 80386 until maybe 2005-2006 in ruggedized aerospace form
[22:36] <Hodapp> techsurvivor: uh, realtime almost never means super computer
[22:36] <markllama> aerospace == "military" ;-)
[22:36] <markllama> Hodapp++
[22:37] <Iota> Fancy your own raspberryip.org/.com subdomain? http://freedns.afraid.org/domain/registry/?q=raspberryip
[22:37] <techsurvivor> well I was referencing a raspi as supercomputer compared to 8051
[22:37] * markllama has no doubt that code he wrote in FORTRAN77 in college/coop is still being used to test guidence systems for seaborne nukes.
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[22:48] <techsurvivor> [SLB]: very nice it works great... :)
[22:49] <[SLB]> cool :)
[22:49] <techsurvivor> what do you use to pickup the stream? I used vlc
[22:49] <techsurvivor> on a windows machine
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[22:49] <techsurvivor> if you want to rebuild with make do this :
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[22:50] <techsurvivor> CFLAGS+="-O2 -march=armv6 -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=hard" make
[22:50] <[SLB]> i just tried it in chrome to see if it was working ehe but yes i would have gone first by vlc too
[22:50] <[SLB]> ah nice thanks
[22:50] <techsurvivor> it's very smooth here
[22:50] <[SLB]> did that solve all the errors or still ended with them?
[22:51] <[SLB]> nice :)
[22:51] <techsurvivor> yeah, just install imagemagick
[22:52] <techsurvivor> if that doesn't fix it let me know, i need to backtrack through my history and look at my apt-gets :)
[22:52] <techsurvivor> will try to post it to the forums
[22:52] <[SLB]> ah okai thanks
[22:52] <[SLB]> eheh
[22:52] <techsurvivor> imagemagic is big though :( . If I wasn't lazy I could have just figured out how to remove the calls to convert
[22:53] <techsurvivor> they're buried lower in other Makefiles
[22:53] <techsurvivor> oh and cpu is only 4%, awesome
[22:53] <[SLB]> yes eheh nice
[22:54] <techsurvivor> zoneminder wanted to use apache which used 20% just sitting there :P
[22:54] <techsurvivor> don't know what it was doing
[22:54] <[SLB]> oh lol
[22:54] <[SLB]> yes zoneminder also requires mysql
[22:55] <techsurvivor> yeah it was a massage download
[22:55] <techsurvivor> okay, need to update notes before i forget all this :P
[22:55] <[SLB]> right :)
[22:55] <dreamon_> Anybody here how tried out the one wire ds18b20 on gpio? -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=6649
[22:57] <dreamon_> Anybody here who tried out the one wire ds18b20 on gpio? -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=6649
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[23:03] <discopatrick> hellooo... anyone here got kidsruby running on a raspberry pi? i can't seem to find a walkthrough.
[23:06] <t7> yey i have upgraded from linode to wildcard CNAME -> dyndns -> raspberry pi :p
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[23:09] <scriptx> finally saw a raspberry pi model b sell for under $80!
[23:09] <scriptx> (ebay)
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[23:11] <markllama> t7?
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[23:11] <t7> gonna run my website on my raspberry pi
[23:11] <t7> over my broadband connection :)
[23:11] <mikma> don't do it!
[23:12] <markllama> well unless it's a personal toy like mine
[23:12] <t7> medium load ecommerce site
[23:12] <markllama> PI's aren't exactly spritely
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[23:12] <techsurvivor> what webserver? apache with 5 threads seemed to kill my rpi :)
[23:12] <markllama> well if it does what you need...
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[23:13] <techsurvivor> according to bootc kernel 3.1.9 has a ton of security issues
[23:13] <markllama> but I'd use something bigger as a base personally
[23:13] <t7> nah only kidding its a personal site
[23:13] <techsurvivor> might want to recompile with newer one
[23:13] <t7> and erm lighttpd atm
[23:13] <techsurvivor> oh lol
[23:13] <markllama> whew...
[23:13] <markllama> ;-)
[23:13] <Hexxeh> i'm still quite interested in running these as webservers
[23:13] <Hexxeh> i've got a project where i'm working on racking 30 of them
[23:13] <markllama> They can be fine web servers. As long as the app is very memory light
[23:14] <markllama> well, memory and cpu light
[23:14] <techsurvivor> i had nginx+sqlite+php running in a little experiment and it seemed to pretty responsive, but it was just a toy
[23:14] <markllama> well memory and cpu and data.... well as long as the app is light.
[23:14] <mikma> hmmh, raspbmc.com is down again
[23:15] <techsurvivor> rackpi, sounds like a new distro fork to me Hexxeh
[23:15] <t7> im gonna write an app as a C++ over CGI or something
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[23:15] <Hexxeh> techsurvivor: i'm talking uber minimal
[23:15] <techsurvivor> i was making a bad joke :)
[23:15] <t7> maybe haskell, my last site in haskell used about 3 meg memory ...
[23:15] <Hexxeh> i was thinking of building a tiny rootfs using gentoo
[23:15] <Hexxeh> not gentoo in the sense that you have emerge available on the finished image
[23:16] <mikma> i wonder when they'll get the raspbian version of raspbmc out
[23:16] <Hexxeh> but just as a build tool
[23:16] <techsurvivor> like a chroot jail or something ?
[23:16] <techsurvivor> i'm new to all the web stuff
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[23:17] <Hexxeh> as in the minimal amount of support libraries required to bring up a webserver
[23:17] <Hexxeh> i'm also thinking of getting GWAN running on there
[23:17] <Hexxeh> instead of nginx/lighttpd
[23:17] <Hexxeh> i reached out to the company that makes it to see if they'll offer an armv6 hardfp version
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[23:18] <techsurvivor> is there something better about it than nginx or lighthttp? just curious
[23:19] <Cosford> Hi guys, I'm hoping you can give me a hand. Just received my raspberry pi (model b). Installed what I believe is the latest version of raspbian onto a 4GB SD card and running it. Seems okay. The keyboard is working fine, however the mouse cursor appears to jump across the screen. CPU usage maxes out if anything is open, and it feels pretty unresponsive. Is this normal? I wondered if perhaps the 1080p screen it's connected to was
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[23:19] <Cosford> If so, would reducing the output resolution help? And how would i go about doing this?
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[23:19] <t7> Hexxeh: its not even open source
[23:19] <t7> asking for trouble
[23:20] <Hexxeh> i know that
[23:20] <sundancer> Cosford its normal
[23:20] <Hexxeh> but i've benchmarked it, and the performance is spectacular compared to nginx
[23:20] <t7> isnt nginx in python?
[23:20] <sundancer> t7 nope
[23:20] <Cosford> Hrm. Okay. Is there anything I can do to optimise it at all? Or is raspbian about as optimised as it gets for these? :)
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[23:21] <sundancer> Cosford that second thing you said :)
[23:21] <sundancer> erm asked
[23:21] <Cosford> Okay. Cheers for your help :)
[23:21] <Geniack> my rasppi doesnt boot no more after i moved out some partitons
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[23:22] <Geniack> http://dpaste.org/HPQWv/
[23:23] <steve_rox> when i put vnc on mine it refused to load the desktop , only accessable over vnc remote after , most annoying
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqyLrYg0CfE
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> another of my now infamous cheesy videos ;-)
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[23:24] <Gabtendo> the raspi can handle 1.2 amp power adapters without problems, right?
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[23:25] <t7> Gabtendo: i hope so
[23:25] <t7> i did read it somewhere
[23:25] <sundancer> Gabtendo you cant kill raspi with 'overamped' adapter
[23:25] <MasterGeek> im using 5A
[23:25] <sundancer> just make soure you dont overvoltage it!
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[23:25] <steve_rox> regulator protects it i assume
[23:25] <sundancer> soure == sure
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[23:26] <sundancer> think of voltage and amps like river running downhill
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[23:26] <sundancer> voltage is difference in height
[23:26] <sundancer> amperage is width
[23:27] <t7> Hexxeh: why would gwan use floats anyway?
[23:27] <Geniack> someone?
[23:27] <Hexxeh> t7: it compiles your code at request time
[23:27] <Hexxeh> so your pages might use floats
[23:27] <Hexxeh> and that's the issue
[23:27] <sundancer> so you can have drops of water falling from 100meters or you can have huge river running smoothly as you drive on flat earth
[23:27] <t7> ah dynamic content
[23:28] <sundancer> so always match voltage of the device with adapter you are plugging it into
[23:28] <Hexxeh> t7: yeah, the entire idea of it is that your pages are written in C, and compiled at request time then the binaries get cached until you change the source
[23:28] <sundancer> and dont worry about amps.. just dont underestimate it
[23:29] <t7> vulns in the webserver will be the least of your worries then
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[23:29] <Iota> Hey Hexxeh.
[23:29] <Hexxeh> hey
[23:29] <Hexxeh> t7: exactly
[23:29] <Hexxeh> you need to know what you're doing
[23:29] <Hexxeh> but it's a remarkably efficient setup if you do
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[23:30] <Hexxeh> i run this box that bridges spotify to http on that setup
[23:30] <Hexxeh> it's awesome
[23:30] <Hexxeh> gwan maintains a pool of connections to spotify that clients select from to stream their track, so the playback latency is epic
[23:30] <Hexxeh> no other server would let me do that
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[23:31] <Iota> I don't suppose you mind if I provide a link to your website do you? I have the domains raspberryip and created the subdomain hexxeh.raspberryip.(com|org) to link to your site. I originally planned to used them for some project, but have given up and am providing free subdomains with it now.
[23:31] <Hexxeh> i can't stop you :P
[23:31] <Hexxeh> go ahead
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[23:31] <Iota> Thanks, just didn't want you to think I was trying to spoof or phish or any crazy xss stuff with you.
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[23:32] <Iota> http://freedns.afraid.org/domain/registry/?q=raspberryip for anyone else that wants one.
[23:32] <Hexxeh> you might have vhost related issues
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/dtronixs-mini-piio/
[23:32] <Hexxeh> since most of my domains/subdomains are vhosts
[23:32] <Hexxeh> you'll get the default host which is chromeos.hexxeh.net
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> the tiniest of breadboards to fit on a Pi!
[23:33] <Iota> I went straight for hexxeh.net oppossed to your IP.
[23:33] <Hexxeh> ah
[23:33] <Hexxeh> iframe?
[23:33] <sam> Iota, please stop spamming
[23:33] <Hexxeh> he's not doing...?
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[23:35] <Iota> Just thought those with Pi's that have remote access may want an easier to remember/more iconic url.
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[23:36] <Hexxeh> so it seems like we're having a quake 3 lan party in the office this afternoon
[23:36] <Iota> It just seems to be a straight up URL redirect, Hexxeh. I'm just using the FreeDNS services.
[23:36] <Iota> Hah, nice!
[23:36] <steve_rox> they got quake fully optermized now?
[23:36] <Hexxeh> it runs well enough
[23:37] <Hexxeh> about 40fps at 1920x1200 on our workstation monitors
[23:37] <steve_rox> :-)
[23:37] <sundancer> Hexxeh max details or low details ?
[23:37] <steve_rox> i havent figured out how to obtain quake yet
[23:37] <Hexxeh> i personally turn lighting off to make it a bit faster
[23:37] <sundancer> vertex/lightmap, texture quality etc...
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[23:42] <Geniack> how much primary + extended partitions does the rasppi support?
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[23:42] <Hexxeh> it depends on the partitioning scheme
[23:42] <Hexxeh> mbr supports max 4 primary
[23:43] <Geniack> i have /boot and / and tried to create new for /usr and /home
[23:43] <t7> jeez how big is your sd card
[23:43] <Geniack> added a third primary, one extended and in this extenedded the logical for /home
[23:43] <Geniack> 16 gb
[23:44] <TheBrayn> how much swap do you have for the rpi?
[23:44] <Geniack> none right now
[23:44] <TheBrayn> I guess 512 should be enough
[23:44] <TheBrayn> but I'm not sure
[23:44] <Geniack> i was using the archlinuxarm image, seems to not have created one
[23:44] <techsurvivor> use swap file instead of swap part?
[23:45] <TheBrayn> is this supposed to be a question?
[23:45] <Geniack> yeah but my problem is after moving out those both mountpoints my rasspi stays at the colored screen not booting anything
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[23:48] <Geniack> said something?
[23:49] <techsurvivor> have you looked at your lilo.conf at all?
[23:50] <techsurvivor> wait i don't know about that, i'm thinking other linux ;)
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[23:51] <[SLB]> lilo brought me back to like 10 years ago \o/
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[23:52] <Geniack> i think there is a proprietary bootloader on it
[23:52] <Geniack> nothing to do with lilo nor grub
[23:53] <techsurvivor> yeah, that's why i took back my comment :)
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[23:54] <techsurvivor> i forgot about the way it boots. what did you use to repartition? i've only expanded them so I should probably stay out of this. it seems like you could add new parts with gparted, but haven't tried it
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[23:56] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. Lilo. I use it on all my PCs/Servers, etc. (apart from the Pi, of-course) I never did get the hang of grub...
[23:57] <mranostay> TIL people use lilo still..
[23:57] <techsurvivor> heh
[23:57] <techsurvivor> if it works... nothing wrong with it :)
[23:57] <techsurvivor> it is simpler
[23:57] <Geniack> techsurvivor: you expanded it?
[23:58] <techsurvivor> Geniack: just went from the 2Gig to 8 gig or whatever, I didn't repartition
[23:58] <Geniack> how did you do that? i would be completely fine with this solution
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[23:58] <techsurvivor> gparted
[23:58] <techsurvivor> on another linux machine
[23:59] <techsurvivor> you can use parted, but it's more complicated and less gui :)
[23:59] <techsurvivor> i had to use a card reader of course
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> if you want to do it on the Pi itself, then this works: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[23:59] <Geniack> no gui available
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[23:59] <Geniack> the rasppi is in russia, i am sitting in south korea, have to do this over ssh
[23:59] <gordonDrogon> but doesn't the raspbian image come with a helper do to all that?
[23:59] <techsurvivor> what gordonDrogon said. I thought you were looking to make separate partitions for segrating data/system files

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