#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-08-05

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <gary_b> hi, im a pi noob and was hoping someone could answer a question
[0:00] <ekselkiu> gary_b: Just ask.
[0:00] <gary_b> i see a debian package for armel, would this work on the pi? what os should i install to do so most easily?
[0:01] <bertrik> Not sure what you mean exactly. The easiest way to get started is to use a raspbian image.
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[0:02] <gary_b> id like to install this on a pi http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/kannel
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[0:03] <gary_b> ive heard the raspbian supports armhf, which causes problems for armel packages just
[0:04] <trevorman> gary_b: you'd probably need the old debian distro
[0:04] <trevorman> yeah
[0:04] <bertrik> it looks like kannel has already been ported to pi and is available in the raspbian repos
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[0:04] <trevorman> or that ^
[0:04] <ekselkiu> How many, and which, Debian packages have been built for Raspbian then?
[0:05] * bertrik just installed it
[0:05] <gary_b> bertrik++
[0:05] <ekselkiu> gary_b: Note that the Raspbian is not part of Debian, so the Raspbian builds won't appear on Debian's web site.
[0:06] <gary_b> is there a list of raspbian packages online anywhere?
[0:06] <stain> arg, my pi shuts down if I do an scp through the wifi. I guess it might mean my crappy wifi dongle is a bit power hungry..?
[0:06] <bertrik> ekselkiu, from raspbian.org : "it comes with over 35,000 packages, pre-compiled software bundled in a nice format for easy installation on your Raspberry Pi"
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[0:06] <trevorman> stain: prolly
[0:07] <ekselkiu> That's a lot of packages. I wonder who's building all those.
[0:07] <stain> that wifi stick is massive, so I almost expected that... ;)
[0:07] <bertrik> also, I hope they used a cross-compiler :)
[0:07] <mongrelion> power measurements say that charger is only giving ~4.2V
[0:07] <mongrelion> and guide says that acceptable voltage is between 4.75 and 5.25 volts.
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[0:08] <bertrik> ouch
[0:08] <trevorman> 4.2V?
[0:08] <trevorman> thats a tad off spec if its supposed to be 5V
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[0:10] <ekselkiu> stain: Connected directly to the pi?
[0:10] <mongrelion> yeah :C and it says 5.1V and 0.7A
[0:10] <ekselkiu> The pi can't supply more than 100mA through its USB ports. 802.11 dongles probably want more than that.
[0:10] <stain> ekselkiu: yup, no fancy hub yet
[0:10] <stain> it is running fine on idle and ssh traffic
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[0:10] <stain> could I shut down eth0 and get a few millis?
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[0:11] <gary_b> here it is, http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/k/kannel/
[0:11] <gary_b> awesome
[0:11] <ekselkiu> gary_b: Yep, just install Raspbian and then apt-get install kannel
[0:11] <trevorman> stain: the limit is on each individual USB port
[0:12] <stain> trevorman: ah, hub it is then.. and an extension thingie
[0:12] <stain> or if its a good hub I could power the pi from it..? would that be evil?
[0:13] <trevorman> not ideal but some people have done it
[0:14] <trevorman> another option is to bypass the polyfuses on the input and the USB ports so you can draw more current
[0:14] <bertrik> stain, both an ipod and ipad charger work for me
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[0:16] <stain> I'm running of an HTC charger, 1A.
[0:16] <ekselkiu> stain: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Power_adapters lists some hubs that'll power the pi.
[0:16] <stain> thanks
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[0:34] <mongrelion> hey, can I run my raspberry pi from my laptop's usb port?
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[0:34] <InControl> probably not as the laptop can probably only supply 500mA
[0:35] <ekselkiu> Maybe, maybe not.
[0:35] <trevorman> maybe. out of spec again :P if everything works then great but don't be surprised if it doesn't boot, crashes a lot or ethernet/USB drops out a lot
[0:35] <mongrelion> :okay:
[0:35] <mongrelion> I'll wait until tonight to buy a decent power source for it :/
[0:36] <trevorman> you got no other USB chargers at all?
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[0:36] <ekselkiu> I don't have any!
[0:37] <mongrelion> I've got a USB charger, but it seems like it's not enough.
[0:38] <mongrelion> raspberry won't boot. Tester shows up to 4.2V in the board, so it might be that, right?
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[0:38] <trevorman> yeah
[0:38] <trevorman> it won't boot from 4.2V
[0:38] <trevorman> where you measuring it? TP1 and TP2?
[0:38] <mongrelion> yes
[0:38] <gary_b> hrm, id need to attach a bank of usb modems as well, i guess it would be easier to get drivers for the older debian os than raspbian
[0:38] <gary_b> *usb gsm modems
[0:39] <trevorman> do you even need drivers for those? none of the ones I've used did
[0:39] <trevorman> the most I've needed is that stupid tool that switches huawei's from the MSC mode to modem mode
[0:39] <InControl> almost certtainly will need a powered hub for gsm modems
[0:40] <ziltro2> Especially a bank thereof. :)
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[0:40] <ekselkiu> Yes but mongrelion /= gary_b :)
[0:40] <ziltro2> trevorman: Do you know what that tool is called?
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[0:41] <gary_b> mongrelion?
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[0:42] <mongrelion> gary_b?
[0:42] <trevorman> ziltro2: usb_modeswitch
[0:42] <InControl> I find a hammer a very versatile tool, it can fix or break things
[0:43] <mongrelion> I wonder how easy/hard would it be to get a mini usb charger in HomeCenter.
[0:43] <InControl> USB chargers are everywhere
[0:43] <ziltro2> trevorman: Thanks, I know someone who wanted to do something similar with a printer. Perhaps it will work on those too, I'll have a look. :)
[0:43] <mongrelion> does it have to be 700mA and 5V? or where does the spec bend?
[0:43] <trevorman> ziltro2: np. hope it works
[0:44] <InControl> most are 1000mA
[0:44] <mongrelion> InControl: they are, but not all of them are suitable for the raspberry pi.
[0:44] <gary_b> oh mongrelion is someones nick hehe
[0:44] <trevorman> mongrelion: 700mA or greater. 4.9v to about 5.2v is probably your range for voltage
[0:45] <InControl> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12737355
[0:45] <mongrelion> what's the top amperage?
[0:45] <mongrelion> is amperage a word in English?
[0:45] <ekselkiu> mongrelion: "current".
[0:45] <lupinedk> their is no top
[0:45] <mongrelion> ok.
[0:45] <mongrelion> thanks.
[0:45] <trevorman> you can wire the RPi to a 1000A 5V supply if you wanted to
[0:45] <trevorman> it'll only draw what it wants
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[0:45] <lupinedk> that would be a large mofo trevorman :)
[0:45] <trevorman> yup. don't short it out >.>
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[0:45] <lupinedk> hehe
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[0:46] <ziltro2> Which reminds me, I should check on my battery I left charging outside in case it went bang. :)
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[0:49] <ziltro2> It hasn't gone bang yet.
[0:49] <plugwash> trevorman, you could but if you do please at least include a fuse
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[0:50] <plugwash> I wouldn't trust the polyswitch on the Pi board with a supply capable of delivering that much current
[0:50] <trevorman> plugwash: but then you won't have fun with your 5V spotwelder that can make wires magically vanish
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[0:53] <ziltro2> Hmm I might bring the battery in and put it in the sink.
[0:53] <InControl> what sort of battery and why are you worried it will explode ?
[0:53] <ziltro2> An old one.
[0:53] <ziltro2> It is, I think, a sealed lead-acid.
[0:54] <ziltro2> Admittedly I haven't had one of those explode on me yet.
[0:54] <jon1012> you could try using some hobby batteries, those for rc planes :p
[0:54] <ziltro2> LiIon yes.
[0:54] <jon1012> those can explode easily
[0:54] <InControl> as long as you are not fast charging it will be fine
[0:54] <ziltro2> It has a built-in charger.
[0:54] <ziltro2> I have no idea what it is doing. :)
[0:55] <jon1012> ziltro2: doing shorts on acid batteries is fun
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[0:55] <jon1012> ziltro2: I did that not that long ago on a 12v one
[0:55] <ziltro2> It is the size and shape of a lantern battery, and as well as 6v terminals it has a mains input.
[0:55] <plugwash> afaict with lead acid batteries the batteries themselves don't tend to explode. Afaict the worst issue with lead acid batteries is they can release hydrogen during charging
[0:55] <ziltro2> I shorted a 12v SLA for a moment. I was holding the wire at the time. I remember it got quite ... noticably warm...
[0:56] <[SLB]> hm does mono exist for raspbian?
[0:56] <trevorman> huh weird. what is it for? bike light?
[0:56] <ziltro2> Ah, yes. Lovely hydrogen...
[0:56] <plugwash> [SLB], it exists but it doesn't work properly
[0:56] <ziltro2> For a lantern, presumably. :) It was in a junk box.
[0:56] <trevorman> if it is old and has been left flat then it might be dead
[0:56] <plugwash> official debian armhf has the same problem
[0:56] <[SLB]> oh :\
[0:57] <jon1012> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoWMF3VkI6U
[1:02] <ziltro2> The volts are increasing, but how much charge it'll hold I don't know.
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[1:22] <ReggieUK> join like that again and expect a ban :)
[1:22] <ReggieUK> wutever/mastergeek
[1:23] <wutever> well i dont want to reg an new nick, iand i read the nofoul lang, in the topic, and i think best if i changed my nick no?
[1:23] <wutever> ywhats your point ? i left my laptop logged into my bouncer ? what ?
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[1:25] <ReggieUK> my point is don't join with that name
[1:25] <ReggieUK> fairly simple
[1:25] <wutever> but you need a reg nick togetin here
[1:25] <ReggieUK> then it's something YOU need to address
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[1:26] <wutever> i did didnt I ?
[1:26] <ReggieUK> the rule isn't 'no foul language, except when you join and it's your nick'
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[1:27] <gary_b> hrm, i wonder if i could get this working http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/270774959175?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&adtype=pla
[1:28] <gary_b> presumably id need a driver to convert that usb connection into 8 virtual com ports
[1:28] <wutever> ti didnt set modes on the channel, the nich is reg with nickserv, i cant use main, becuser theres a laptop 6 minles from me logged in? what should i do? Reg another nick and waste FN resorces ?
[1:28] <dwatkins> waste function resources?
[1:28] <Husky> group nicks
[1:29] <ReggieUK> ^^ what husky said
[1:29] <ziltro2> Ooh GSM goodness.
[1:29] <gary_b> bad link, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GSM-Modem-Pool-8-ports-Wavecom-USB-Commands-Fast-Shipping-/230744068853
[1:29] <wutever> cant, one work ones personal
[1:29] <gary_b> ziltro2: :D
[1:29] <dwatkins> Is it really that hard to register another nick/
[1:29] <dwatkins> ?
[1:29] <ziltro2> Ha, love the switch labelled "switch"
[1:29] <gary_b> i laughed at that too
[1:29] <Sassy_Mushroom> I have a Raspberry Pi. Does anyone know if Thunderbird will work on my Pi?
[1:30] <gary_b> and large slot / small slot
[1:30] <ReggieUK> dwatkins, we'll find out if he joins with that nick again
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[1:31] <ziltro2> Does that device appear as one USB serial device, or 8?
[1:31] <gary_b> its cheap stuff, but the gsm modem chip, Wavecom Q2303A, seems to have ok reviews and it works with kannel in other devices
[1:32] <ziltro2> I suppose it could be one USB device or a hub with 8 of them.
[1:32] <gary_b> ziltro2: "Just like 8 single-channel equipments work at the same time" <- i presume thats 8 ports
[1:32] <gary_b> com ports on windows?? i really dont know
[1:33] <ziltro2> That seems like a very good price for 8 GSP terminals in a metal box.
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[1:33] <gary_b> indeed, i wonder what the line "connection with the computer through a data line can be integrated with Serial 8" means
[1:34] <ziltro2> Power Supply: 5-24V DC ?!
[1:34] <ziltro2> It does look like it has mains input
[1:35] <ziltro2> I'd just buy it and see, because it is your money and not mine. ;)
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[1:35] <ziltro2> Is that the kind of device you could use with Asterisk for voice?
[1:37] <gary_b> i really dont know a lot about this stuff, but i dont think so. Another product, GoIP, seems to be a better fit as a real gsm gateway
[1:37] <gary_b> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quad-Band-GSM-8-Gateway-8-channel-GSM-Voip-gateway-Goip-/320678454419#ht_5726wt_1037
[1:39] <gary_b> yea, the first one doesnt handle sip traffic, so couldnt be used for voice with asterisk
[1:40] <ziltro2> Mmm that sort of thing makes me want to set up a portable telephone system.
[1:40] <gary_b> wholesome nerdy fun :D
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[1:41] <ziltro2> With ethernet, like for a load of trailers for a movie production
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[1:46] <maicod> thanks PiBot :D
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[2:21] <maicod> everyone too busy with his/her Pi apparantly :)
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[2:25] <timg> hi
[2:25] <maicod> hi
[2:28] <maicod> online fs resizing takes ages :(
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[2:37] <mongrelion> raspberry worked \o/
[2:38] <mongrelion> my charger won't work. not enough voltage. I'll go and buy another one.
[2:38] <maicod> ofc they do :)
[2:38] <maicod> mongrelion: you need 5volts/1A
[2:38] <Halts> i just use my kindle cord!
[2:39] <timg> maicod: I find alot of things take ages
[2:39] <maicod> timg: yeah its not so quick :)
[2:39] <maicod> its still resizing. hope it didnt crash
[2:39] <timg> what are you resizing
[2:39] <Halts> i said fuck it with resizingf
[2:40] <Halts> im lazy
[2:41] <maicod> timg: expanding the system partition to the end of my 32GB card
[2:41] <timg> oh
[2:41] <timg> hmm I haven't checked mine
[2:41] <maicod> the OK light isnt flickering so I guess its crashed :(
[2:42] <timg> would have assumed it did that automatically though
[2:42] <maicod> raspbian wheezy doesn't . you can choose the option in the initial config-menu
[2:43] <timg> the good thing about rpi is that it's so slow I can't do anything except run idle and a file editor and a couple browser tabs at best
[2:43] <timg> no room for distraction
[2:43] <timg> yea I have wheezy
[2:43] <timg> hm not sure if I did that or not
[2:44] <maicod> timg: well it takes ages with larger cards so I think you shouldve rememberred waiting for a long time then
[2:45] <Halts> timg: I'll find room for distraction
[2:45] <timg> i too have a 32gb
[2:45] <Halts> You just wait.
[2:45] <timg> better do some overclocking and some kind of ram add-on
[2:45] <Halts> I'm damn good an procrastination, and a piece of hardware will not be stopping meeee.
[2:45] <Halts> I also just woke up
[2:45] <Halts> and yeah.
[2:46] <Halts> i dont know what i want to do with my pi
[2:46] <timg> if I had a tv it would be connected to it in my living room
[2:46] <mrdragons> Halts: Yeah, like making small C programs that make cool sounds when piped into aplay
[2:46] <timg> for now it's back in the office on my monitor :/
[2:48] <maicod> my Pi : http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/aangesloten.jpg
[2:48] <Halts> nahh, I don't think im going to do anything programming esque
[2:48] <maicod> :)
[2:48] <Halts> mine is plugged in mah tv
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[2:48] <Halts> that resizing thing, it said "on-line"
[2:48] <Halts> i dont need an internet connection do i?
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[2:49] <maicod> yeah it means it expands when the filesys is mounted
[2:49] <timg> ohh
[2:49] <timg> a lego case
[2:49] <timg> that's pretty smart
[2:50] <Halts> so no internet connection?
[2:50] <maicod> I think you don't need internet.
[2:50] <Halts> rad.
[2:50] <Halts> cause im too tired to mount my wifi dongle.
[2:51] <Halts> TOO. TIRED.
[2:51] <maicod> :)
[2:52] <maicod> mounting it you mean just insert it ?
[2:52] <Halts> well yeah.
[2:52] <Halts> but it said "on-line" so I was a bit confused.
[2:52] <maicod> cause if u've setup wpa.conf etc. already it will connect without a hassle :)
[2:52] <Halts> 32gb
[2:52] <Halts> maicod, i have not.
[2:52] <maicod> oh :)
[2:53] <Halts> i just hooked the thing up and fell asleep.
[2:53] <trevorman> Halts: online as in the FS is mounted
[2:53] <maicod> halts: you need to apt-get install the right kernel module for your wifi stick first etc.
[2:53] <maicod> some sticks don't work
[2:54] <Halts> elinux sais myTLWN722n will
[2:54] <maicod> better do it when your not tired :)
[2:54] <maicod> oh cool
[2:54] <maicod> which chipset does it user ?
[2:54] <maicod> use
[2:54] <Halts> i have... no idea.
[2:55] <trevorman> atheros. i've got one of those
[2:55] <maicod> Atheros AR9002U
[2:55] <maicod> it is
[2:55] <maicod> googled it
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[2:55] <maicod> mine is ralink
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[2:57] <Halts> a friend reccomended it to me, i needed something that could reach a long distance in a house with a router in the basement on the other side of the house.
[2:57] <Halts> worked great.
[2:57] <trevorman> its annoying to get working in linux
[2:57] <trevorman> least it was when I last used it in linux. it lives on a Windows PC now
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[2:58] <Halts> i dont have another ethernet cable, and i dont want to run another through the wall
[2:58] <maicod> atheros sounds a little less common then ralink and realtek
[2:58] <Halts> realtek, hah.
[2:58] <trevorman> atheros is in a ton of stuff
[2:58] <Halts> there's a windows update for my ethernet port.
[2:58] <Halts> psure its realtek
[2:59] <Halts> and it just shuts off my internets.
[2:59] <Halts> just, "lolno, bye internets."
[3:00] <trevorman> atheros make decent pci based wifi chips. their USB range is ehhh as they bought zydas for it
[3:00] <Halts> iono, this is a high gain one ands tuff
[3:00] <Halts> pretty good imo
[3:00] <trevorman> I don't mean signal range
[3:00] <trevorman> I mean product range
[3:00] <Halts> oh,
[3:00] <Halts> haha
[3:00] <maicod> I think you need to do sudo apt-get install firmware-atheros
[3:01] <Halts> we can all talk about what I need to do when the time comes ;)
[3:01] <trevorman> yeah. you need to acquire a firmware blob to make it work but thats true for most wifi adapters
[3:01] <Halts> i think im supposed to be going to the park or someshit.
[3:01] <maicod> here's a guide : http://www.raspberrypi-tutorials.co.uk/set-raspberry-pi-wireless-network/
[3:01] <Halts> i already have the elinux guide bookmarked, but thanks :3
[3:02] <maicod> yw
[3:02] <trevorman> have fun at the park
[3:03] <Halts> I'm probably just going to sit there, and not play basketball. What I am going to do, is throw my self at my friends boyfriend in an attempt to make things awkward.
[3:03] <bircoe> any PHP/GPIO guru's in here???
[3:03] <Halts> there's a potato here.
[3:03] <bircoe> really?
[3:03] <Halts> yeah dude, he's in the corner.
[3:03] <bircoe> nice!
[3:04] * bircoe waves at potato
[3:04] <trevorman> o.O
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[3:05] <Halts> anywhoo, while my pi expands, ima bbl
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[3:22] <MoleMan> will raspbmc allow you to connect to a windows network share with no password?
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[3:46] <maicod> Ionic`: u around ?
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[3:47] <Ionic`> aye
[3:47] <maicod> hi mate
[3:47] <Ionic`> sup?
[3:47] <maicod> ionic: I tested write speed with the wheezy distro and it is 17.9 MB/sec :)
[3:48] <Ionic`> yep, that's the right speed
[3:48] <maicod> I wrote 1GB image from /dev/zero to an image file
[3:48] <maicod> the hdparm is useless its only read tests
[3:48] <Ionic`> well yeah ok
[3:48] <maicod> cool eh ? I'm glad its fixed :)
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[3:48] <Ionic`> I didn't test write speed
[3:48] <maicod> ionic: OK
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[3:49] <Ionic`> it's cool, yeah
[3:49] <maicod> heheh yea
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[3:49] <maicod> did they forget some setting in the older kernels before ?
[3:50] <Ionic`> not a setting, but a patch which was introduced only later
[3:50] <Ionic`> I can't remember what it does though
[3:51] <maicod> oh thats what I'm intrested in ;)
[3:51] <maicod> but well it works so....
[3:52] <maicod> read speed said: 138MB cached/16.48 MB buffered
[3:52] <maicod> with hdparm
[3:53] <maicod> the latter is more real ofc :)
[3:55] <Ionic`> yeah
[3:55] <Ionic`> just drop the -T
[3:55] <maicod> hehe yea
[3:55] <maicod> glad the card is indeed a speedy one :)
[3:57] <maicod> but don't let me hold u up :)
[3:57] <Ionic`> you don't
[3:57] <maicod> alright
[3:57] <maicod> where do you use irc on ?
[3:57] <maicod> linux ?
[3:58] <maicod> I used some dated mirc :)
[3:58] <maicod> -d
[3:59] <Ionic`> OS X
[3:59] <maicod> oh mac
[3:59] <maicod> didnt realise u are a mac-user ;)
[3:59] <maicod> so yours beeps when I type your name ?
[4:00] <maicod> mine is probably too old for that
[4:00] <maicod> need an update :)
[4:00] <Ionic`> nope
[4:00] <Ionic`> but the line is highlighted and the channel name is written in red
[4:01] <maicod> oh so the color changes
[4:01] <maicod> cool
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[4:03] <home> How can I turn my raspberry pi on?
[4:03] <maicod> give it powe :)
[4:03] <maicod> power
[4:03] <home> How shall I give it power?
[4:03] <maicod> use a power supply thats has 5volt/1A
[4:03] <maicod> it needs a mini USB connector
[4:04] <home> what if I dont have a mini usb COnnector?
[4:04] <maicod> :(
[4:04] <maicod> got a powered USB Hub ? it could maybe power the pi
[4:04] <home> i got some usb hubs
[4:04] <maicod> maybe got a phone charger ?
[4:05] <home> a phone charger?
[4:05] <home> no
[4:05] <maicod> OK
[4:05] * plugwash slaps maicod for confusing mini usb and micro usb
[4:05] <maicod> oops plugwash
[4:05] <maicod> I meant micro
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[4:05] <maicod> I always forget which is the smallest of the
[4:05] <maicod> 2
[4:05] <home> pic plz?
[4:05] <MoleMan> they are pretty close in size TBH :P
[4:06] <maicod> but they don't fit in eachother :)
[4:06] <plugwash> they are about the same width but micro is much thinner
[4:06] <maicod> yea
[4:06] <maicod> lower
[4:06] <qheaden> I have a USB wall charger for my Galaxy S II smartphone. Can I use that same charger to power the Raspberry Pi?
[4:06] <MoleMan> http://www.aerocooler.com/products/cp_CBLUSB2M_m.jpg
[4:06] <timg> qheaden: try it
[4:06] <maicod> qheaden: how many mA or A does it say ?
[4:06] <home> 0.7A
[4:06] <qheaden> I don't have a Pi yet. Just wondering.
[4:07] <maicod> ehm too few I'm affraID
[4:07] <timg> oh
[4:07] <home> MoleMan: that is micro usb?
[4:07] <timg> MoleMan: that looks like normal usb on the left
[4:07] <timg> and the one on the right is the one that rpi takes
[4:07] <qheaden> Yeah it is.
[4:07] <timg> same as my htc evo
[4:07] <MoleMan> yes, its normal USB to microUSB
[4:07] <Ionic`> normal A on the left, micro B on the right
[4:07] <maicod> I ordered a charger along with my Pi
[4:08] <maicod> it has a fixed cable and ends with the right plug
[4:08] <Ionic`> home: 0.7A is hmmm
[4:08] <MoleMan> it is the same connector used by blackberrys, HTCs, Palms, and apparently at least some of the newer Samsung phones...
[4:08] <timg> I didn't get any sound out of mine yet
[4:08] <timg> anything special I need to do there
[4:08] <Ionic`> home: lower end of OK
[4:08] <Ionic`> home: 1A is recommended
[4:08] <qheaden> Okay, I guess I will just order a charger with it.
[4:08] <maicod> timg: you use wheezy ?
[4:08] <timg> maicod: yea
[4:09] <maicod> timg: you use the HMDI audio or the 3.5 mm ?
[4:09] <timg> the audio jack
[4:09] <timg> hdmi goes into my comp monitor
[4:09] <timg> no speaks
[4:09] * maicod knows the old debian-release for the Pi needed alsa-utils
[4:09] <timg> ah
[4:09] <maicod> not sure if the wheezy has it already
[4:09] <timg> i really need a 70" flatscreen on the wall
[4:10] <MoleMan> I currently have the TV from the kitchen in my bedroom, as I don't have anything in my room with HDMI...
[4:10] <maicod> LOL
[4:10] <qheaden> Has Apache Web server been ported to the Pi by any chance?
[4:10] <MoleMan> so if the house sets on fire, I'm not getting to my door...
[4:11] <home> ao
[4:11] <home> so
[4:11] <home> can i power the raspbery pi with usb
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[4:13] <t7> someone should make a 'raspberry pi server model' with no gpu and extra gigabit lan ports :)
[4:14] <qheaden> :P
[4:14] <ziltro2> And a different SoC presumably?
[4:14] <qheaden> How many watts does the thing pull?
[4:14] <Ionic`> t7: actually, just unhook LAN from USB...
[4:14] <ziltro2> I have had ideas of many Pi on a board though, which would be good for parallel processing fun.
[4:14] <Ionic`> qheaden: about 2, I guess
[4:14] <maicod> home: some hubs can do that. they need to be a hub with power adapter
[4:14] <qheaden> HA HA HA. What a perfect little server. :)
[4:14] <Ionic`> can go up to 3.5W
[4:15] <cjbaird> The 5-node cluster here just did a distcc kernel compile in 85 minutes.. (still working on improving that)
[4:15] <ziltro2> Simple - add nodes. :)
[4:15] <qheaden> cjbaird: Soooo, you have 5 Pis? :)
[4:15] <cjbaird> http://i.imgur.com/EcCAD.jpg
[4:15] <t7> is there another cool mini board thing like raspi?
[4:15] <ziltro2> Arduino? ;)
[4:15] <t7> haha nice rack
[4:16] <maicod> timg: I followed his guide and it worked: http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/06/raspberry-pi-speakers-analog-sound-test/
[4:16] <qheaden> cjbaird: So you are the reason there is a backorder huh? Ha ha, just kidding. :)
[4:16] <cjbaird> An old Eurocard subrack, that I scored from a retired guy for the cost of a bottle of Whiskey :)
[4:16] <maicod> maybe you dont need to install alsa-utils in wheezy anymore
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[4:16] <maicod> timg: maybe you dont need to install alsa-utils in wheezy anymore if they are already installed
[4:16] <cjbaird> ...and the entire thing uses less than 20 Watts at full-tilt. \(^ ^)/
[4:17] <ziltro2> Sound worked in Raspbian for me with no problems.
[4:17] <mrdragons> Heh, that's about my laptop idleing
[4:18] <qheaden> I'm dying to get one and use it as a 24/7 ssh tunnelling server, or a server for my code repository.
[4:18] <home> maicod: I found a powered usb hub
[4:18] <cjbaird> The original-model EeePC 701 that I had runs at 19-21 watts, and that was a 650MHz cpu..
[4:18] <Ionic`> wait
[4:18] <maicod> home: cool hope it will get it running
[4:18] <Ionic`> you can't compare 800 MHz arm to 650 MHz x86_64
[4:18] <home> 5V/2.6A
[4:19] <home> hopefully i dont fry it
[4:19] <home> or else I will be a sad home
[4:19] <Ionic`> 800 MHz arm are somewhat comparable to 500 MHz i586 but even then...
[4:19] <maicod> home: not all powered hubs give out the power when not requested for. and the Pi doesnt request for it
[4:19] <MoleMan> home: mine is currently running direct on 5v 2.0A
[4:19] <maicod> home: so you must be lucky your hub is dumb
[4:19] <mrdragons> Ionic`: Not comparing processing power
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[4:20] <maicod> home: see this article. the 2nd post in that topic explains it : http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2245
[4:20] <cjbaird> The cpu in the '701 was a cut-down Intel chip, reduced ALU and FPU pipelines, what their attempt at a 'mobile' chip was at one point.
[4:22] <cjbaird> A neat thing about it though was being able to underclock the cpu to something rediculous like 44 MHz (not that it saved much power).
[4:23] <t7> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouya this would be an awesome little server
[4:26] <mrdragons> Yep, I can't wait for it to go on sale. ^_^
[4:26] <home> MoleMan: I have two powered usb hubs
[4:26] <MoleMan> anyone in here using raspbmc / know how to set up wireless in raspbmc?
[4:26] <home> MoleMan: but I cannot find the, usb to usb..
[4:27] <home> MoleMan: but I cannot find the, usb to usb..i got another one that I nt try, that Output 5V--2A
[4:27] <home> MoleMan: are you using usb to usb
[4:27] <home> holy crap
[4:27] <home> I have quite a fewb usb powered hubs
[4:27] <home> I saw a usb male to female cable somewhere
[4:28] <MoleMan> yeah, USB to USB but powered from a phone charger
[4:28] <home> I shall find that and try that
[4:28] <home> *insert motivation*
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[4:29] <home> to find tahat usb cable XD
[4:29] <Ionic`> you shall continue and finish thee quest
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[4:32] <maicod> ionic: Pi is running on a usb-wire coming from the hub :)
[4:32] <maicod> LOL
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[4:33] <kieppie> hi everyone
[4:33] <kieppie> How's it going?
[4:33] <timg> alright
[4:33] <kieppie> loving my pi's - have loads of plans in mind :)
[4:34] <home> GUYS
[4:34] <home> got problems
[4:34] <home> even more
[4:34] <maicod> ionic: laughed too early its hanging :(
[4:34] <Ionic`> hanging?
[4:34] <Ionic`> oh
[4:34] <kieppie> playing now wth rasbian & raspbmc
[4:34] <home> okay, SO
[4:34] <home> i dont have a usb to usb
[4:34] <home> so I am kinda..screwed
[4:35] <home> its usb male to usb female ...
[4:35] <home> i got usb to micro usb...
[4:35] <kieppie> I've managed to fire up a few basic images on my desktop monitor over HDMI, but I'm not getting any video output on my flash Panasonic VIera HDTV. is there some new firmware I need to flash?
[4:36] <kieppie> has anyone got some wisdom to impart with me, please?
[4:37] <kieppie> I've also about building a Google TV on a Pi
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[4:38] <maicod> ionic: I meant the hub doesnt give enough power to power the Pi. it doesnt' matter I will keep using normal power supply
[4:38] <timg> kieppie: not sure on that
[4:39] <timg> I guess I will bring my rpi to the store and make sure it works on the tv before i get it
[4:39] <Ionic`> maicod: it worked for me, did you connect both?
[4:39] <kieppie> my tv model is: Panasonic TH-L42E5Z
[4:39] <home> will a u8 usb cable work with the pie
[4:39] <kieppie> 42" - extemely good bang-for-buck. My current Ubuntu-based XBMC works well with it
[4:40] <Ionic`> maicod: hub to one USB port and one port of the hub back to the raspi via USB A to micro?
[4:40] <maicod> ionic: I removed the psu going to the power socket of the Pi and used a USB-A to USB-micro cable that ran from the HUB to the Pi's power jack
[4:40] <Ionic`> yeah
[4:40] <home> what
[4:40] <Ionic`> AFAIK you need to leave the hub connected too
[4:40] <home> pics
[4:41] <maicod> ionic: the hub was also connected to one of the USB ports of the Pi
[4:41] <home> I got this kodak camera
[4:41] <home> http://www.bargaincell.com/images/products_large/cab/cabusb061.jpg
[4:41] <home> ot a cable like thar
[4:41] <home> will it work
[4:41] <maicod> ionic: it booted but the keyboard was stuck
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[4:41] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[4:41] <SSilver2k2> http://bit.ly/QXnuRV
[4:41] <Ionic`> ok
[4:41] <Ionic`> well it did work for me
[4:41] <maicod> ionic: I don't need HUB power don't worry
[4:41] <Ionic`> hehe
[4:42] <maicod> OK :)
[4:42] <SSilver2k2> 2inch LCD being powered by the Pi through GPIO, and getting input from it via composite :D
[4:42] <maicod> I was just playing around
[4:42] <maicod> I'm afk for a while now
[4:42] <home> I got a mini-b usb cable
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[4:42] <home> connected to my hub
[4:42] <maicod_afk> you need a micro-B :)
[4:42] <home> connected to usb male to usb female to usb male to pi
[4:43] <maicod_afk> LOL
[4:43] <home> yeah
[4:43] <home> that didnt turn it on though
[4:43] <home> i got another hub.. but its usb only.
[4:43] <home> sadly
[4:44] <bircoe> <SSilver2k2> you had me scared for a minute... I thought you were using GPIO pins to power the LCD...
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[4:45] <home> so...
[4:45] <MoleMan> could someone or talk me through setting up wireless on raspbmc please?
[4:45] <SSilver2k2> bircoe: I am...
[4:46] <home> MoleMan: get a router with ethernet and make a wireless adapter, and u are done
[4:46] <bircoe> no... your not, your using the power pins
[4:46] <MoleMan> not useful...]#
[4:46] <home> I AM going mad
[4:46] <SSilver2k2> bircoe: oh yes. yes i am.
[4:46] <home> need to power this thing
[4:47] <MoleMan> when you have something the size of a matchbox, being told to use something 10 times the size as a wireless adaptor is not useful...
[4:47] <SSilver2k2> bircoe: you had me scared for a second
[4:47] <home> MoleMan: mine is just lying around
[4:47] <home> MoleMan: so why not?
[4:48] <bircoe> pins 2 and 6 are +5v and gnd... not GPIO
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[4:48] <SSilver2k2> ah ok. looking at the e-linux site its calling the entire header GPIO
[4:48] <home> can I power Raspberry pi via GPIO?
[4:49] <home> please say yes
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[4:49] <SSilver2k2> well, via the header pins 2 and 6, ive seen a thread about it being powered through those
[4:49] <home> holy
[4:49] <home> HOLY
[4:49] <bircoe> I've done that it worked fine.
[4:50] <SSilver2k2> plus using the TXD and RXD to do serial communications
[4:50] <MoleMan> SSilver2k2: where did you get the screen? and how much was it?
[4:50] <SSilver2k2> so you dont even need anything connected to the inputs
[4:50] <SSilver2k2> MoleMan: currently Adafruit, but I'm trying to source a cheaper solution
[4:50] <SSilver2k2> it was $35
[4:51] <home> so I ca power it via GPIO
[4:51] <home> AWESOME
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[4:53] <bircoe> You can power it via the Expansion Header yes... GPIO pins are for low power digital input and ouput.
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[4:59] <home> i knew tht
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[5:02] <home> bircoe: got any guides for hat?
[5:02] <home> that?
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[5:11] <home> shall I power my pi via arduino via headers?
[5:12] <home> so can I power it on via pin 2 and 6
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[5:31] <bircoe> correct, 5v to pin 2 and gnd to pin 6
[5:31] <kieppie> ok - lets try again. flashed a new raspbmc, updated locale data, ran an initial apt-get update (dist-upgrade borks everything). can anyone please help me to get the HDMI going with my TV (works fine via HDMI on my desktop monitor)
[5:31] <kieppie> please?
[5:32] <bircoe> try an OpenElec image...
[5:32] <home> bircoe: so..is just 5V an 6 is 5V ground
[5:32] <kieppie> yea - think I should.
[5:32] <home> bircoe: so, I could power the Raspberry Pi from my Arduino, like right now..
[5:32] <kieppie> I have a few other ideas for systems that I'd sound against you guys.
[5:33] <bircoe> I've been building my own OpenElec and it just keeps getting better and better.
[5:33] <kieppie> thinking of using RasPi as a thin-client for SPICE on KVM
[5:33] <bircoe> home: you couldbut why?
[5:34] <bircoe> you 5v source would have to have enough current capability to rub the pi and arduino.
[5:34] <home> bircoe: Uhm
[5:34] <home> bircoe: true that
[5:34] <home> bircoe, damn
[5:34] <home> bircoe urgh
[5:34] <kieppie> also thinking about building a RPi-based Google TV (Android + GTV "app")
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[5:34] <home> now I am sad
[5:34] <home> :(
[5:35] <bircoe> sorry typing one handed...
[5:35] <bircoe> do you have a microUSB phone charger lying around?
[5:35] <home> no
[5:35] <home> well, its my dads..
[5:35] <bircoe> get one...
[5:35] <home> and I used it to power on the RPI ( it worked... I did some stuff)
[5:36] <home> but it aint here anymore.. so XD
[5:36] <home> i got a bunch of usb hubs lying aroun though :/
[5:36] <bircoe> theres some pretty high current ones around these days
[5:36] <bircoe> so do you have a usb to microUSB cable? ?ie phone data cable?
[5:37] <bircoe> oh... you doi
[5:37] <home> yeah
[5:37] <home> I know that my RPI works
[5:37] <home> but I dont have my own power supply
[5:37] <home> I got a bunch of powered usb hubs..
[5:37] <home> so yeah
[5:37] <home> and I just found out that..you can power it via pin 2 and 6
[5:37] <home> Ill probalby get a breadboard...and power it from there :/
[5:38] <home> what do you think
[5:38] <bircoe> you could cut the end off a usb cable and solder on a 3 pin female header to plug into the pi.
[5:38] <home> for pin 2 and 6?
[5:38] <home> maybe
[5:38] <home> I got a soldering iron..no flux..or wire though ..lol..did I mention I have bad soldering skills XD haha
[5:39] <bircoe> yup... i've got a similar cable i use to power a small lcd off the pi
[5:39] <bircoe> no time like the present to work on your skills!
[5:40] <home> bircoe: true that, true that
[5:40] <home> I want to power on this small phone lcd..
[5:40] <home> and my bro got this tablet..thats broke ( could use the touchscreen/and screen to do some interesting input to pi maybe)
[5:41] <home> small phone tablet..though
[5:41] <bircoe> not likely... without an imense amount of work
[5:41] <home> yeah
[5:42] <home> I already have documentation for a small old phone lcd screen..that I can use my arduino to write characters and stuff....
[5:42] <bircoe> best waiting for the DSI display thats planned
[5:42] <home> link.. 0_0 ?
[5:42] <home> AH NVM
[5:42] <bircoe> just what's been posted on the P{i blog... nothing actually ddone yet afaik
[5:42] <kieppie> bircoe: what build of OpenELEC should I use? (got a link, please). what's weird is that I'm not seeing the boot process output via HDMI, even with "vanilla" Raspian. It looks like it could be an issue related to hardware/firmware/codec/HDCP-crypto, and not the OS.
[5:43] <bircoe> if you want a cheap display to mess around with try ebaying a small lcd
[5:43] <bircoe> kieppie, i build my own, last succesful build was 2nd August
[5:44] <bircoe> home: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/4-3-TFT-LCD-Car-Reverse-Rearview-Color-Monitor-DVD-VCR-/140609850558?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20bd000cbe
[5:44] <bircoe> strip it apart and you've got a simple display for the pi
[5:48] <home> NICE
[5:48] <bircoe> of course the resolution is crap, you won't be reading console text with it... but still it's a cheap display...
[5:48] <home> i got some screens lying around
[5:48] <home> so who knows
[5:48] <home> you know XD
[5:48] <home> bircoe: thx
[5:48] <home> anyway. fro my arduino, i got a 2 headers ready
[5:48] <home> and plugged in
[5:49] <home> to pine 2 ( 5V) and ping 6 (ground)
[5:49] <home> shall I try it XD
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[5:49] <bircoe> yes... but i take no responsibility if you fry it :)
[5:50] <home> if I fry it
[5:50] <bircoe> I'm pretty positive I've hooked up mine backwards and found that it's diode protected anyway
[5:50] <home> I sell it in ebay
[5:50] <home> bircoe: giving it a shot XD
[5:50] <bircoe> for $90... no DOA warranty!
[5:50] <bircoe> as long as one of the LED's coem on you've hooked it up right
[5:51] <home> RPI TURNED ON!
[5:51] <kieppie> while I try & build OpenELEC (& checking the IRC channel), are there any other distro's/images that I can try & see if I can get HDMI video out - to theck it it's OS/software or hardware/firmware
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[5:51] <home> bircoe: I was supplying power from my usb port from lappy
[5:52] <home> bircoe: so, 5V power all around
[5:52] <home> bircoe: sure pie is safe? but what do you think
[5:52] <home> also..how do I check the voltage?
[5:52] <home> TP1 and TP2?
[5:52] <bircoe> yes
[5:52] <bircoe> multimeter
[5:52] <home> okay
[5:53] <bircoe> I found debian always gives me HDMI, as does raspbian, Arch wouldn't...
[5:53] <home> bircoe: : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX3kiRUf7mg
[5:53] <bircoe> do you hgave anything in your config.txt that could be screwing with the display?
[5:53] <home> bircoe: Arch sucks XD
[5:54] <bircoe> Chargers aren't the best... some of them are smart and don't negotiate high current mode...
[5:55] <bircoe> My Pi is powered by a 5v 2.5amp supply with a microUSB connector soldered on the end.
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[5:55] <bircoe> Arch is pretty good... I just cbf giving it the time of day to get the learning curve under control!!! I tried but I have a 2yo and 8 month old twins... no time for that shit now!
[5:56] <home> bircoe: its getting 4.27, 4.28 V
[5:56] <bircoe> should be fine
[5:56] <home> bircoe: I am powering it off laptop->arduino->pi
[5:56] <bircoe> what that means is it's trying to draw more current than the supply is capable of.
[5:57] <home> 4.31.. :D
[5:57] <bircoe> this clown in the video is measuring power supplies without load on them... obviously this is the first time he's usd a multimeter
[5:57] <home> i dont havea case for my pie or arduino lol
[5:57] <bircoe> niether do i
[5:57] <home> bircoe: yeah, no load
[5:57] <home> lol
[5:57] <home> bircoe: I keep my arduino on this little box
[5:57] <home> you knpow those little boxers where you put yur lunch in?
[5:58] <home> I got a box like that
[5:58] <bircoe> lol
[5:58] <home> that "just" fits my arduino
[5:58] <home> maybe ill make a case out of that
[5:58] <bircoe> mine dangles from the HDMI cable... half way between my desk and floor
[5:58] <home> bircoe: I am going to try to hook it up to the tv now
[5:58] <home> and see if I get a connection going
[5:58] <home> bircoe: Thanks, I learned much XD from our conversation
[5:59] <home> bye :)
[5:59] <home> gonna play with the pie
[5:59] <home> ACTUALLY WAIT
[5:59] <bircoe> catch ya
[5:59] <home> I need OpenElec..lol
[5:59] <home> completely forgot about that..bought 16GB sd card for that XD
[6:00] <bircoe> I can zip up my build and pop it in drop box or something...
[6:00] <bircoe> it's not an image so there will be manual work involved.
[6:02] <home> <3 getting video input :D
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[6:02] <home> bircoe: did you compile it yourself? I only used darkbasic image so far
[6:02] <home> bircoe: got a 16GB sd card just waiting to be used for something XD
[6:02] <bircoe> git cloned the sources and have written a small script to automate the build and collection of files in preperation to be copied to SD card
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[6:03] <home> oh nice...I think I woul be more interested in the lil script XD
[6:03] <bircoe> do you use linux?
[6:03] <home> of course :D
[6:03] <home> I love linux XD
[6:03] <bircoe> good :)
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[6:05] <home> lol XD I am stull a noob at using irc to transfer files ( 3rd time today, I failed to receive a lil file ) XD
[6:05] <bircoe> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/OpenElec/build.sh
[6:05] <bircoe> that's alright... quick enough to upload to dropbox
[6:06] <bircoe> git clone the sources
[6:06] <home> yep
[6:06] <bircoe> you'll have a folder called OpenELEC.tv
[6:06] <home> the official ones right ( hasnt looked into OpenElec much)
[6:06] <home> okay
[6:06] <bircoe> place that script inside that folder
[6:06] <bircoe> run
[6:06] <bircoe> it's pretty easy
[6:07] <bircoe> navigate to a folder where you are happy for the build sources to be stored (keep in mind it's upwards of 6gb after a complile!
[6:07] <bircoe> type git clone git://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv.git
[6:07] <home> wow!
[6:07] <home> okay :D
[6:07] <home> *does that now*
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[6:07] <bircoe> then into the folder OpenELEC.tv fodler
[6:07] <bircoe> folder
[6:08] <bircoe> put the build.sh script in there and run it...
[6:08] <home> its cloning
[6:08] <home> will build it soon
[6:08] <home> bircoe: my problem right now is ethernet
[6:08] <bircoe> you'll probably find it will fail to build properly at the moment, theres a problem with one of the packages not building... started happening on the 4th
[6:08] <home> bircoe: I am planning on using a WRT54G running tomato linux, to communicate to my other router as a wireless adapter
[6:09] <bircoe> last time i could build was the 3rd
[6:09] <home> bircoe: oh..damn :/
[6:09] <home> bircoe: I will try the script a bit later..its getting a tad late ( I want to get internet to the pi)
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[6:09] <bircoe> I'm doing a build at the moment to see if it works
[6:09] <home> bircoe: I think I will mess with OpenElec and your script a bit later :D
[6:09] <home> bircoe: Oh, good luck! Hopefully it works XD
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[6:10] <bircoe> later
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[6:12] <maicod> does anyone know why wheezy comes with less preinstalled packages then the older 19-4-2012 debian?
[6:13] <maicod> than :)
[6:13] <bircoe> does it really matter? what's missing that you need?
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[6:13] <maicod> I can manually install but its a bit of a nuisance that progs like gparted need to be installed ;)
[6:14] <bircoe> the missing packages were probably removed based on the likely hood of people needing them
[6:14] <bircoe> you have to install gparted on a base Ubuntu install aswell...
[6:14] <maicod> alright
[6:14] <maicod> just wondered why it got so 'thin'
[6:15] <bircoe> cos the pi is a small device with limited resources... it doesn't need to be so fat :)
[6:15] <maicod> installed software not running won't make ik run clogged does it ?
[6:15] <misv> i would say its perfectly fine :p
[6:16] <bircoe> I've removed almost everything i don't use... trimmed it down to the almost bare minimum... takes up 600mb on the SD card
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[6:16] <bircoe> no it won't affect performance, but if the vast majority of people aren't going to use the tools why include them? it's a waste of space and a waste of bandwidth
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[6:30] <kieppie> bircoe: I've created a new SD flash with OpenELEC, but still I'm not getting HDMI out on it (video sync is off on analogue-out). if I kick out of raspbmc to terminal, I'm still not seeing anything on HTMI-out. I'll see if I can get lshw or dmidecode to list hardware.
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[6:30] <bircoe> is there anything between your pi and tv?
[6:30] <Gabtendo> gah, struggling to find a good reliable power supply for the RPi in the US
[6:31] <bircoe> reciever etc?
[6:31] <bircoe> can't be that hard?
[6:31] <bircoe> your local fries or best buy should have 100 differnet psu's that would do the job
[6:32] <Gabtendo> scooty_puff: I ordered my RPi about a week ago
[6:32] <Gabtendo> it shipped a couple days ago
[6:32] <Gabtendo> >.>
[6:32] <Gabtendo> I bought from one of the official places
[6:32] <Gabtendo> *shrug*
[6:34] <kieppie> Gabtendo: for PSU, I'm looking at 2 options - there are now a bunch of powerboards that come with a pair of USB ports to charge USB devices, or I'll use a 8-port USB hub I'd put in storage; just add voltage into it with no PC connected
[6:35] <sraue> kieppie, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video_mode_options try forcing your hdmi mode in config.txt with hdmi_mode= option
[6:37] <sraue> i need hdmi_mode=16 here otherwise i have the wrong resolution
[6:38] <kieppie> sraue: thanks for the tip
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[6:46] <bircoe> Gabtendo, http://www.bestbuy.com/site/eForCity+-+For+PSP+Wall+Charger+AC+Adapter+Power+Supply+Cord+New/4338353.p?id=1218475504990&skuId=4338353&st=5v%20power%20supply&cp=1&lp=2
[6:47] <Gabtendo> hm
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[6:58] <kieppie> sraue: those settings seem to be a move in the right direction, but still no joy
[6:59] <sraue> maybe some other options you should try there
[7:01] <kieppie> going through a few now. looking for the lowest common denominator, so that I can just get video up via HDMI, then I'll crank the res up
[7:02] <bircoe> 1024x768 works on most sets
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[7:03] <rigved> hi everyone. i have forgotten my raspberry pi password for the pi user. how do i enter runlevel 1 to reset it?
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[7:08] <home> that was awkward
[7:08] <home> guys! I have good news :D
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[7:08] <home> bircoe: I got my raspberry pi working.. and it seems to be doing good!
[7:09] <home> bircoe: I set my router to be in bridge mode with my other router
[7:09] <home> bircoe: and and plugged in the ethernet from my raspi to the router.. now it has internetz <3
[7:09] <bircoe> nice work
[7:09] <home> its sshing well XD
[7:10] <home> I had a problem where I accidentally moved the 5V and ground.. that reset the pi.. lol
[7:10] <home> but ..wow XD
[7:10] <home> anyway
[7:10] <bircoe> that'll happen!
[7:10] <home> internet access for pi = check
[7:10] <bircoe> before you go...
[7:10] <home> tested the volts
[7:10] <bircoe> http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Building_and_Installing_OpenELEC_for_Raspberry_Pi
[7:10] <home> averaging around 4.2-4.3V :d
[7:11] <home> bircoe: I want to get that up..in 2 hours!
[7:11] <bircoe> should stll be alright
[7:11] <home> did you're script fail? btw?
[7:11] <bircoe> build still faild for me... failing to compile gnutls
[7:12] <home> ill try to compile it
[7:12] <home> and see where it gets me..
[7:12] <bircoe> make[2]: *** [ecc_free.lo] Error 1
[7:12] <bircoe> make[2]: Leaving directory `/media/Storage/RPi/OpenELEC.tv/build.OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel/gnutls-3.0.20/lib/nettle'
[7:12] <bircoe> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
[7:12] <bircoe> make[1]: Leaving directory `/media/Storage/RPi/OpenELEC.tv/build.OpenELEC-RPi.arm-devel/gnutls-3.0.20/lib'
[7:12] <bircoe> make: *** [system] Error 2
[7:13] <bircoe> it'll be the same, the problem is in the git tree, they probably updated gnutils but havn't patched it to compile for pi
[7:13] <home> so it wont compile for me either? *compiles anyway*
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[7:15] <bircoe> dependin on machine specs you won't get that error for about an hour and a half...
[7:16] <bircoe> thats what my Core i5 2400 with 16gb RAM takes anyway :)
[7:17] <home> bircoe: lucky, I am stuck with a quad core A8 processor with 8gig on this lappy XD
[7:18] <home> bircoe: as my skills increase...my need for processing power will as well ( dem graphics too)
[7:18] <home> bircoe: shall I try your script? now?
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[7:22] <bircoe> I'd wait till tomorrow maybe...
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[7:23] <home> bircoe: why XD
[7:23] <home> bircoe: it wont work? :/
[7:24] <bircoe> it might... if the maintainers fix the problem
[7:24] <bircoe> the problem isnt my script... its the git source
[7:26] <bircoe> try one of these... newest is 29th of
[7:26] <bircoe> July
[7:27] <bircoe> bloody 8 month old baby knocking my arms while typing...
[7:27] <home> lol
[7:27] <bircoe> http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/
[7:28] <bircoe> their newest is r11691, my current is r11705, not too far behind
[7:29] <home> ah
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[7:29] <home> so you didnt update your git?
[7:29] <home> bircoe: I still suck at like, reverting to different revisions via git
[7:29] <home> <<<git/svn nub
[7:29] <home> anway
[7:29] <bircoe> i did... that's why i'm having problems
[7:29] <home> i have the latest revision..
[7:29] <home> I always have problems with dem packages :/ sigh..
[7:30] <bircoe> heres my 11705:
[7:30] <bircoe> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/OpenElec/SDcard.zip
[7:30] <bircoe> it's not an image tho, the contents of that go on the sd card partition names SYSTEM
[7:31] <home> looking through the wiki
[7:31] <home> a bit intimidated XD
[7:31] <bircoe> nah it's easy
[7:31] <home> yeah
[7:31] <bircoe> prep the SD card as per this:
[7:31] <bircoe> http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Building_and_Installing_OpenELEC_for_Raspberry_Pi#Preparing_and_Formatting_the_SD_Card
[7:31] <bircoe> then copy the contents of the zip to the root of the 128mb SYSTEM partition
[7:32] <home> I dont have to use parted right ( I like gparted)
[7:32] <bircoe> which ever works for you
[7:32] <home> actually, parted is fine and faster..wth is mwrong with me.. lol
[7:32] <home> its just copy and paste XD
[7:32] <bircoe> but parted is fine if you just copy and paste the commands
[7:32] <home> haave you actually got OpenElec running?
[7:32] <home> on your pi yet?
[7:32] <bircoe> yup
[7:33] <home> how is it :D
[7:33] <bircoe> it runs on my "2nd" pi in my daughters room
[7:33] <bircoe> pretty good, everything works well
[7:33] <home> All I have is a dvd player, never really used a media server oht HTPC
[7:33] <home> or XBMC
[7:33] <home> I just know that it can play video XD
[7:33] <bircoe> up until a few days ago when the builds didn't include XBMC's audio engine performance was kind of average
[7:33] <bircoe> now it's great
[7:34] <home> I see, I just want to be able to stream some stuff...
[7:34] <bircoe> particulary with videos that had DTS audio tracks
[7:34] <home> and maybe get a different pi...
[7:34] <home> I wanted to use the pi for robotics and learning more abut hardware XD
[7:34] <home> learn how SPI/I2C works..a bit more.. and etc
[7:35] <bircoe> it supports HDMI CEC n stuff as well, so if you TV also supports CEC then your TV remote can be used to control XBMC
[7:35] <bircoe> the 24" TEAC LCD in my daughters room supports CEC and it's sweet not having to find a 3rd party remote or use a keyboard.
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[7:37] <bircoe> I'm just starting to play with GPIO's myself, I want to use a Pi to control my homes reverse cycle AC unit
[7:37] <bircoe> so far I have a PHP page that can blink an LED...
[7:37] <misv> working on controlling my coffeemachine :p
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[7:38] <bircoe> misv: perfect coffee everytime?
[7:38] <misv> haha im working on it! :p
[7:38] <misv> trying to figure out my coffemachine more than the Rpi :P
[7:38] <bircoe> LOL
[7:39] <misv> im not an addict i just drink a can or four a day ;p
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[8:01] <kieppie> lost networking for some reason :/
[8:02] <home> bircoe: that CEC stuff sounds sweet
[8:02] <home> bircoe: left while installing LXDE
[8:02] <home> bircoe: so much to explore XD with the damn thing
[8:02] <home> bircoe: one of my first goals is to get the system..a bit tad more optimized XD
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[8:02] <ladoga> bircoe: is gnutls necessary? Maybe you can set it to use openssl instead
[8:03] <bircoe> that's a possibility, will look at config files
[8:03] <ladoga> i just thought if building gnutls fails
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[8:04] <ladoga> openssl has tls too
[8:05] <bircoe> as soon as i remember where the config files for build are...
[8:06] <ladoga> look into Makefile... or ./configure --help?
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[8:07] <bircoe> yeah i remember seeign a file with a heap of options, but just can't remember where it is now...
[8:07] <ladoga> there might be something like CRYPTO=gnutls
[8:08] <ladoga> you can probably just change it to CRYPTO=openssl or similar
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[8:08] <ladoga> and maybe it builds then
[8:08] <home> maybe
[8:08] <home> mayeb not?
[8:08] <home> urgh
[8:08] <home> its 2am
[8:08] <bircoe> only one way to find out
[8:08] <home> i think ima sleep
[8:08] <home> see you guys tommorow.if I dont work that is..haha
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[8:09] <bircoe> later
[8:09] <home> I am thinking of ordering a second pi...hm
[8:09] <home> anyway bye XD
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[8:09] <bircoe> im thinkg of ordering a third forth and fifth!
[8:10] <tanuki> Will the RP work reasonably well as a torrent client? I've seen contradictory information on the Interwebs.
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[8:12] <Lacer> Someone was reporting 1Mbs last night.
[8:12] <kieppie> these power issues are weird! network was down because of an extra keyboad
[8:12] <Novae> sooo, what would be my best bet for an XBMC distribution at the moment?
[8:13] <tanuki> Lacer: Was that meant for me? 1Mb/s is significantly faster than my network connection at the moment. I'm more worried about things like kernel panics.
[8:13] <Lacer> Yeah, sorry it was for you tanuki.
[8:13] <tanuki> Thanks.
[8:13] <muep> kernel panic would be a kernel bug
[8:14] <kieppie> what a schlep! now I can get to my graphics issue
[8:14] <Lacer> It should run fine. Just try out transmission, tanuki.
[8:14] <tanuki> muep: I've heard reports that the architecture of RP doesn't play nice with the Linux kernel with heavy load on Ethernet and USB storage (such as, say, a torrent client)...
[8:14] <bircoe> kieppie, the onboard USB ports are limited to 140ma... I've tried keyboards that are speccd to 100ma that cause USB wierdness
[8:15] <Novae> also does anyone have a guide/faq/some sort of written information on using the sdcard only to boot but to have the rootfs on a usb stick?
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[8:15] <kieppie> is anyone familir with the /boot/config.txt HDMI configs? I want to set it correctly so that I can get video out to my HDMI
[8:15] <gordonDrogon> 'morning Pi People!
[8:15] <kieppie> thanks bircoe: I'll try & keep that in mind
[8:16] <acausal> tanuki: most of the usb issues are from lack of power. if you have your usb devices on a powered hub, they should be fine. i'm not sure about other (kernel-related) issues
[8:16] <kieppie> is there a way to boost power as required?
[8:16] <gordonDrogon> if you search the forums on raspberrypi.org, you'll find some articles & photos of people who've run wires from the micro usb poser in directly to the usb sockets...
[8:17] <muep> afaik also the network chip is behind the usb hub in pi
[8:17] <tanuki> acausal: Ah. Well, I'd be using a hard drive that plugs into the wall, so I doubt that's an issue.
[8:17] <gordonDrogon> you also need a big capacitor to stop some usb devices crowbarring the power when you plug them in.
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[8:17] <acausal> tanuki: yeah, that should be okay
[8:18] <muep> so loading it with other power-hungry devices might at least increase the chances on stuff not working in load spikes
[8:18] <acausal> considering taking my pi (when it arrives) in to work so someone better at soldering than me can replace the fuses. the ones on board are somewhat conservative
[8:18] <bircoe> I've got a particularly annoying keyboard that causes USB weirdness on desktop and laptop PC's!!! stupid thing with EL backlit key's, draws a but load of power!
[8:19] <acausal> bircoe: it's probably possible to hack it to use less power. just need a soldering iron and to put bigger resistors in line with any LEDs :P
[8:19] <bircoe> i know it is, i just cbf, got way more cooler projects to work in
[8:19] <acausal> heh fair enough
[8:19] <gordonDrogon> I'd not replace the fuses...
[8:19] <gordonDrogon> what you're then up against is the actual tracks on the PCB...
[8:19] <gordonDrogon> they are the ones carrying the current, so they need to be replaced too...
[8:19] <acausal> hmm
[8:20] <acausal> i guess it depends on the load
[8:20] <kieppie> i'm trying to get HDMI, I've set hdmi_safe=1 in /boot/config.txt, but still nothing. any help please? I'm a little snookered
[8:20] <gordonDrogon> http://i.imgur.com/GRYED.jpg
[8:20] <acausal> i guess if you want to put two 500mW devices on there, bit wires like....yeah that
[8:20] <acausal> big*
[8:21] <gordonDrogon> that's part of this thread: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=8591&start=100
[8:21] <gordonDrogon> but remember the current is still coming via the micro usb socket, so if the PSU feeding that isn't up to it, it's not going to work no matter what you do.
[8:21] <Lacer> kieppie, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt Will this help?
[8:22] <bircoe> kieppie, I've never not been able to get HDMI to work, never had to set the HDMI options (except with Arch), maybe get yourself a DVI HDMI adapter and test it with a DVI monitor...
[8:22] <kieppie> I'm checking out the wiki now, but not much is helping atm. Systematically working though options for some glimmer of activity.
[8:22] <kieppie> might have to do the HDMI minitor thing
[8:23] <bircoe> it's also possible your Pi is rooted...
[8:23] <bircoe> has HDMI ever worked?
[8:23] <kieppie> just guessing here that the RPi can't do HDMI-in, right?
[8:23] <bircoe> nope
[8:24] <gordonDrogon> kieppie, you need to make sure the hdmi device is turned of before the Pi.
[8:24] <gordonDrogon> althoug there is a force option, but I don't have it to-hand.
[8:25] <kieppie> gordonDrogon: why off?
[8:26] <bircoe> why would that matter?
[8:26] <gordonDrogon> sorry - typo - ON..
[8:27] <kieppie> k
[8:27] <gordonDrogon> the Pi senses the device attached to the HDMI port and if it doesn't see anything, it reverts to composite.
[8:27] <kieppie> my screen is on. trying some other options, like hdmi_force_hotplug=1
[8:28] <gordonDrogon> does the Pi boot OK? Can you ping it, etc. ?
[8:28] <kieppie> weird things when rebooting, though. no networking unless I remove & plug in again my keyboard. have to manually bring up eth interface
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[8:30] <bircoe> how do you get display? composite?
[8:31] <kieppie> analogue RCA vid out - yes. that't eh only way I can view the device. HDMI is dead in the water on this TV, although it works great on the HDMI on my dektop monitor
[8:31] <gordonDrogon> I had my first Pi connected up via hdmi but to my PC monitor via DVI adapter... worked fine, so I didn't know what the fuss was about until I bought a cheap '720p' TV to use with other Pis... turned out to be a bit interesting getting it going in the end...
[8:31] <bircoe> do you have composite disconnected when trying to get vid via HDMI?
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[8:31] <bircoe> it's on eor the other
[8:32] <gordonDrogon> composite can't be sensed, so it's not an issue to leave it plugged in.
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[8:33] <jarred> I want to get webdav working on my Raspberry Pi. It's running Arch Linux ARM. I'm familiar with Linux, but the relevant package in AUR, nignx-webdav won't compile on the Raspberry Pi. It gets out of memory errors, and before the compilation, the Raspberry Pi is using roughly 25 megabytes of memory.
[8:33] <bircoe> you sure about that? most devices these days that have video out can sence when something is plugged in... composite cables have 75ohm impedence so it's quite easy to sence
[8:33] <jarred> What are some alternatives to getting web dab working?
[8:33] <jarred> webdav*
[8:33] <jarred> Maybe lighthttpd?
[8:33] <kieppie> composite works ok
[8:34] <techsurvivor> jarred: have you tried a higher memory split ?
[8:34] <jarred> What are memory splits?
[8:34] <jarred> (Maybe I'm less familiar with Linux than I thought)
[8:34] <techsurvivor> if you look the /boot directory you'll see some elf files
[8:34] <bircoe> it's a Pi thing
[8:34] <techsurvivor> well this is a pi thing
[8:35] <bircoe> it's how much memory is allocated to the system vs video
[8:35] <techsurvivor> yeah cpu/gpu split
[8:35] <jarred> oh
[8:35] <techsurvivor> give the cpu more
[8:35] <bircoe> you get a few choices, 128/128, 192/64 and 224/32
[8:35] <jarred> I can allocate almost all of it to the CPU, it's only accessed via SSH and a web browser
[8:35] <bircoe> 224 for a headless system is the way to go
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[8:35] <jarred> awesome
[8:35] <techsurvivor> all you have to do is copy the 224 one overtop of start.elf
[8:35] <jarred> tahnks
[8:35] <bircoe> you can't allocate all, 224 is the most you'll get
[8:35] <techsurvivor> see if that helps
[8:35] <jarred> Alright
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[8:37] <bircoe> wonder if a 248/8 or 252/4 elf could be done...
[8:38] <bircoe> wonder if the GPU will boot with less than 3mb...
[8:38] <bircoe> 32
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[8:44] <Syliss> i don't think it will, i think that is the minimum
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[8:49] <kieppie> tring to debug with the /opt/vc* , but the tvservice binary is missing :/
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[9:04] <kieppie> nope - HDMI on this TV is a dud :( tvservice does not even register the device. may have to get some sort of box to fill in shortcomings from either end
[9:09] <gordonDrogon> do you have anything else with hdmi output to test it with?
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[10:12] <Berry_HK> Anyone want to buy my RPi?
[10:12] <Berry_HK> its kinda disappoiting to me
[10:13] <Berry_HK> disappointing
[10:13] <Syliss> lol
[10:13] <Lacer> Heh, really?
[10:13] <techsurvivor> what was disappointing about it ?
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[10:19] <Mr_Sheesh> Berry_HK - I'd think you could sell it on ebay if not here, fairly easily, but I'd like to know what you find disappointing about it
[10:19] <Arch-MBP> well id like to know how its disappointing
[10:20] <techsurvivor> they're selling for $50+ on ebay, you can make some cash
[10:22] <Berry_HK> i guess my expectations are too high
[10:22] <Berry_HK> i will shift to a Pandaboard ES
[10:23] <techsurvivor> those also cost 5X as much
[10:24] <Lacer> >disappointed by a $35US Pi, switches to something costing $161US
[10:25] <Berry_HK> dont be a hater
[10:25] <techsurvivor> if i was going to pay that much I'd get one of the mini x86 form factor boards
[10:26] <Lacer> Just interesting. You get what you pay for in terms of performance.
[10:27] <techsurvivor> not hating, but you can't expect a $35 board to be a $165 board
[10:28] <Berry_HK> techsurvivor: you are twisting my words
[10:28] <Berry_HK> anyway.. i will put it on egay
[10:30] <Lacer> egay? Don't be a hater. :P
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[10:30] <Mr_Sheesh> I always call it ePay
[10:31] <techsurvivor> most people in here already have a board so that's probably where you'll find the highest demand, now is a good time to sell
[10:31] <Lacer> I just call it sniper-ville.
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[10:32] <Hukka> How could I debug what's wrong with my pi, when booting only the red power led comes on, but on a computer the system partition shows all the right files
[10:32] <Lacer> How did you load the OS on to the card?
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[10:34] <fairuz_> Hi guys, anyone on?
[10:34] <Hukka> It's a premade openelec image, that I dd:ed onto the card
[10:34] <Hukka> It has been working before
[10:34] <techsurvivor> what is the exact command
[10:34] <techsurvivor> it's easy to stick the partition number on the end of /dev/device
[10:34] <Hukka> But I've actually had quite often had similar problems with openelec and my pi, that is it boots ok the first time, and then only after many, many attempts
[10:34] <fairuz_> I have problem with my keyboard not working on Wheezy Raspbian. I thought it's the power problem, and I bought the self powered USB hub, but still not working.
[10:34] <Hukka> Raspbian on the same pi seems to work just fine
[10:35] <fairuz_> Any pointers
[10:35] <Berry_HK> does it make a difference in DD or using BerryBoot for the performance?
[10:35] <fairuz_> I need to update? Or something like that?
[10:36] <techsurvivor> have you tried a different keyboard?
[10:37] <fairuz_> techsurvivor: No, not yet. Don't have any extra keyboard.
[10:38] <techsurvivor> might still borrow one from your pc :) , but i doubt that's what's wrong, it's just easy to check
[10:38] <fairuz_> Just want to try other possibilities before buying a new keyboard
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[10:38] <techsurvivor> unless you only have laptops, then it's not very easy :)
[10:39] <fairuz_> techsurvivor: My PC uses PS/2 connector :) I think I have PS2 <-> USB adaptor somewhere but don't remember :)
[10:40] <fairuz_> While booting I do see some characters been print out on the screen, as if someone typing on the keyboard
[10:40] <fairuz_> e.g : mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[10:40] <techsurvivor> you have anything with a usb3 port? those tend to have nice strong power rails
[10:40] <techsurvivor> that doesn't sound right at all, you should at the very least see a nice clean boot
[10:40] <fairuz_> I do see the normal boot message
[10:41] <fairuz_> Just in between those messages, I saw these character been print out if I plugged in my keyboard
[10:41] <techsurvivor> ah, never seen that, but I'm using doing it headless and ssh'ing into it
[10:42] <techsurvivor> usually*
[10:42] <fairuz_> techsurvivor: Yup for now that's what I do
[10:43] <techsurvivor> well it's almost got to be the keyboard or power supply
[10:43] <fairuz_> But if someone want to see some demo, it's better to show it with keyboard connected and all :D
[10:43] <techsurvivor> (aka keyboard puts it over the edge on power draw)
[10:43] <bertrik> do you get error messages in dmesg?
[10:44] <fairuz_> hmm I'm thinking the same thing, but I already use the self powered USB hub. (2.5A). The board even turn on when I connect the USB from the hub to the board. Maybe some extra ampere from the hub got into the board by the port.
[10:45] <techsurvivor> it won't pull more power than it needs, i'd borrow a keyboard from a neighbor :)
[10:45] <fairuz_> I will try to ssh to it and get the dmesg
[10:49] <Arch-MBP> fairuz_: the reason you are having that issue is due to a power supply problem
[10:49] <Arch-MBP> fairuz_: i had that very issue till i got a better one
[10:49] <fairuz_> Arch-MBP: Even with self powered usb hub?
[10:49] <Arch-MBP> fairuz_: yep
[10:50] <fairuz_> Arch-MBP: What sorcery is this :)
[10:50] <fairuz_> bertrik: http://pastebin.com/YLxTvgYi This is what I got when plugging in the keyboard
[10:51] <fairuz_> is 2.5A is not enough. What type of self powered hub did you buy?
[10:51] <bertrik> I think that looks alright
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[10:51] <techsurvivor> i only have a 1amp supply and it runs everything including a hub and a camera and sometimes a missile launcher
[10:54] <Wendo> I had problems with my hub until I disconnected the 5v rail from the "uplonk" connector, this stopped it feeding power back into the pi from the USB ports. After that it worked fine
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[10:55] <boingy> Hi everyone. ran into a bit of a problem. I've edited my /etc/rc.local file to include a script which doesn't run in the background. I should have put & after it. Now at boot up it just stays at it and ctrl+z doesn't seem to do anything. Any ideas?
[10:56] <fairuz_> One more thing, using the self powered hub, is it normal the the board is switched on even with no power cable (micro USB) connected?
[10:56] <techsurvivor> boingy: you'll have to edit it somehow, probably on a linux box or use a live cd
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[10:58] <techsurvivor> how can it be switched on without the power microusb hooked in?
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[10:59] <boingy> darn
[10:59] <Wendo> fairuz: normal yes, ideal no, it will source power from it's real usb ports if it's not powered from it's powered port
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[11:00] <Hukka> Oh, right. Now the raspbian won't work either
[11:03] <techsurvivor> i still don't see how that works unless you're hooking into something that is powered itself. and I doubt they would wire the power rail on that into the +5v coming in from the rpi usb host
[11:03] <techsurvivor> that's just asking for damage
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[11:06] <Hukka> Ok, I let the raspbian just stand there with power on, without booting properly, and then did a power cycle, and now it boots ok
[11:07] <Hukka> I thought some boards only booted properly when cold, is it possible they boot only when they are hot?
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[11:07] <techsurvivor> unlikely
[11:07] <Sp0tter> how do you change the keymap to qwerty in raspbmc ?
[11:08] <techsurvivor> unless you have some hairline fracture in a circuit trace that made contact when it expanded due to heat
[11:08] <Hukka> Powered off, switched the openelec card in, powered on, still doesn't boot
[11:08] <bubu> pi and wireless etc work fine - plug in my powered USB hub and weird things starthappening. wireless plugged directly into pi, not the hub doesnt work. using power from both the powered hub and micro usb charger .... anyone else seeing this?
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[11:09] <Hukka> I can't get a grasp of what is required to make it work, seems so random
[11:09] <bircoe> Sp0tter: do you mean to a different local ie English US instead of Enlish UK
[11:10] <techsurvivor> you can set it with raspi-config by setting locale info
[11:10] <techsurvivor> "sudo raspi-config"
[11:10] <techsurvivor> if you have the new release
[11:10] <Sp0tter> bircoe: i mean colemak
[11:10] <Sp0tter> instead of qwerty
[11:11] <Sp0tter> my qwerty ability has atropheed over the last year, and my keyboard keys are blank .. so no cheat letters.. I can only type in colemak heh
[11:12] <techsurvivor> it still might be under keyboard config in raspi-config, but I'll hush now :)
[11:12] <Sp0tter> techsurvivor: i just pulled the current release, might not be rc3 or whatever the newest is
[11:12] <Sp0tter> there is no raspi-config command
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[11:12] <techsurvivor> there is in the wheezy release, but you must be using something else
[11:13] <techsurvivor> the 7-15 one on the raspberrypi.org homepage download
[11:14] <Sp0tter> Linux raspbmc 3.1.9-test-12-06 #1 PREEMPT Mon Jun 18 20:07:45 UTC 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[11:15] <Sp0tter> just used the installer from their website since they dont have direct download links on raspbmc
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[11:15] <Sp0tter> raspian has the keymap stuff, let me choose colemak on first boot
[11:15] <Sp0tter> havent gotten xbmc to run on it yet, after a 12 hour compile hehe
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[11:18] <Berry_HK> just use BerryBoot
[11:18] <bubu> has anyone got wireless video streaming working on the pi?
[11:18] <bubu> too much load on cpu?
[11:18] <bubu> Sp0tter, try xbian
[11:19] <Lacer> I've played an h264 video on the pi from a samba share.
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[11:19] <bubu> Lacer, wireless or eth?
[11:20] <Lacer> Ethernet.
[11:20] <Sp0tter> bubu: what is xbian?
[11:21] <Sp0tter> ah found it on forum
[11:22] <bubu> Lacer, yeah thats ok, i want to know about wireless
[11:22] <Hukka> I should have tried this much, much earlier... Openelec microsd boots ok, when I use the same adapter as with raspbian
[11:22] <bubu> before I have to put holes in my wall for eth :_)
[11:22] <bubu> Sp0tter, I've tried raspbmc and xbian
[11:22] <bubu> have to say I think xbian is much smoother
[11:22] <bubu> may change next raspbmc release
[11:22] <Sp0tter> does xbian have the memcopy arm optimizations?
[11:23] <bubu> yup
[11:23] <bubu> and OC'd by defaut
[11:23] <Sp0tter> thats probably the difference now, raspbmc is supposed to have that in rc4 i think
[11:23] <bubu> xbmc runs much smoother
[11:24] <Sp0tter> its runnign smooth for me on raspxbmc, using 900 core oc with a heat sink
[11:24] <bubu> oof
[11:24] <bubu> got wireless h264 streaming working?
[11:24] <Sp0tter> no i dont use wireless
[11:24] <bubu> my powered usb hub does wierd things to my pi :(
[11:24] <Sp0tter> but i streamed a 36 gig copy of Gangs of New Work
[11:24] <Sp0tter> York.. and it played perfect
[11:25] <Lacer> None of my wireless dongles work on the Pi. ;_;
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[11:25] <bubu> yeah eth is fine
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[11:25] <bubu> but I dont want to run eth throughmy walls for an htpc if I can avoid it
[11:25] <Sp0tter> i dont like wireless anything
[11:25] <Sp0tter> i ran ethernet to every room
[11:26] <bubu> also looking to install mysql client on xbian so it can connect to my main xbmc install so I can stop a film in one room and carry on in another
[11:26] <aykut> cable
[11:26] <aykut> cable everywhere
[11:26] <bubu> anyone done this?
[11:28] <bubu> gah, usb HD attached to my openwrt router just isnt cutting it anymore - time for a NAS i think!
[11:28] <Sp0tter> zfs
[11:28] <bubu> zfs?
[11:28] <Sp0tter> i use Solaris Express for my fileserver
[11:29] <Sp0tter> with the lovely ZFS in Raid-Z double redundancy
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[11:29] <Sp0tter> its the only way to store files :)
[11:30] <boingy> is there any reason the SD card I use to boot the pi on wouldn't show up on my macbook when running df (the same macbook I used to set it up in the first place)
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[11:31] <bertrik> I keep wondering why people think it's such a great idea to run the pi as media player, since it only decodes a few video formats in hardware
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[11:32] <bertrik> or is it expected that the GPU will be reverse engineered, or that software decoding will get fast enough?
[11:32] <Wendo> It seems to happily do SD formats fine in software
[11:32] <Lacer> I'm just saddened by how everyone is buying into the h264 bait-and-switch.
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[11:33] <bubu> bertrik, who cares about anything other than h264? :)
[11:33] <bubu> for an HTPC anyway
[11:33] <martk100> Where can I get the pre-compiled xbmc tar file from? memetic.org are offline.
[11:34] <dreamon_> want to connect to rs232. Is there a interface for normal rs232 to raspberry out there?
[11:34] <bubu> martk100, I have a copy somewhere
[11:34] <bertrik> dreamon_, I think a USB-RS232 converter should work
[11:35] <bubu> but you should try xbian martk100 :)
[11:35] <bertrik> there is a 3.3V UART TX/RX line too on one of the pin headers
[11:35] <Arch-MBP> Lacer: whats the biat and switch you speak of?
[11:35] <Arch-MBP> err bait
[11:35] <martk100> bubu: Will it run on raspian wheezy?
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[11:36] <bubu> its a standalone image
[11:36] <bubu> built from wheezy
[11:36] <bubu> a build of wheezy anyway
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[11:37] <techsurvivor> dreamon_: you'll have to either get a 3.3Vlogic friendly rs232 convertor or like the other person commented a usb->rs232 convertor
[11:37] <dreamon_> bertrik, Yes saw it. but 3.3V may be damaged by normal rs232 connection? Do you know a working usb-rs232 converter?
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[11:38] <bubu> DarcBasics image
[11:38] <bertrik> dreamon_, I have two types of converters that I can try to connect, I can't check if they really work though
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[11:39] <techsurvivor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/220970940429?hlp=false something like this or the regular old USB/rs232
[11:39] <Lacer> Arch-MBP, I was basing that on old info. It seems that MPEG-LA (the patent pool in charge of h264) is going to keep h264 en/decoding royalty free forever. They changed their tune when google started the webM project.
[11:40] <dreamon_> techsurvivor, bertrik Thx.. so I can build my own converter, no problem.
[11:41] <bertrik> my pl2303 converter is recognised by the raspbian image and the kernel module is automatically loaded
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[11:42] <techsurvivor> dreamon_: sure, look on the web, but I'm not sure it's worth saving $8 unless you just want to have fun making the circuit
[11:42] <Arch-MBP> Lacer: ahh i didn???t know about that
[11:42] <dreamon_> last question. want to build a simple counter. It show count impoluses. not more than 10 a second. Is there any working example out there.
[11:43] <Lacer> Arch-MBP, it was a big "internet-rights" hullabaloo a while back.
[11:43] <dreamon_> techsurvivor, I have 5 Raspi here. All of them want something to work and me too. :)
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[11:48] <martk100> bubu: I have had a quick look at xbian. It seems to be a dedicated xbmc . I want to run xbmc ontop of Debian. Any chance you could send me thje file?
[11:49] <martk100> bubu:FRom The memetic file.
[11:49] <Berry_HK> maybe i need to give my RasPi another try (second one is coming in after all)
[11:49] <Berry_HK> techsurvivor: sorry for the b ad comments earlier on today.. i was a little disappointed
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[11:50] <Arch-MBP> Berry_HK: yeah...lower your expectations
[11:50] <bertrik> Wendo, I tried raspbmc to play a random selection of videos I have and it refused to play a lot of them, I assumed this was because they could not be hardware decoded. Would another xbmc build be able to play them in software?
[11:50] <dreamon_> last question. want to build a simple counter. It should count impulses. not more than 10 a second. Is there any working example out there.
[11:50] <Berry_HK> Arch-MBP: and i need to put some more effort in
[11:50] <Arch-MBP> Berry_HK: heh
[11:50] <Berry_HK> now trying Arch
[11:50] <Berry_HK> actually i really like this device
[11:51] <Lacer> Just remember that the RPi project is still young. There's so much we haven't touched yet.
[11:51] <Wendo> not sure, I happily play xvid and divx in any container I've thrown at it so far
[11:51] <Berry_HK> my wish is to run VICE on it
[11:51] <techsurvivor> no problem, we were wondering what you expected is all, maybe someone here overcame whatever problems you had with it. i'm just having a load of fun with mine heh
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[11:51] <Berry_HK> so i can implement a PI in to a C64 casing
[11:51] <Berry_HK> new hardware in old school casing
[11:52] <techsurvivor> you can probably get a c64 emulator running on it
[11:52] <bertrik> dreamon_, what kind of display do you want to use for the counter?
[11:52] <Lacer> You totally can!
[11:52] <Berry_HK> VICE runs on it
[11:52] <Berry_HK> but the sound is lagging and the video stutters somehow in Puppy
[11:52] <Berry_HK> thats why i try Arch
[11:53] <techsurvivor> why not try wheezy? it's more optimized
[11:53] <Berry_HK> http://c64.berrydejager.com/?p=1062
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[11:54] <Berry_HK> i need some help with wheeze
[11:54] <Berry_HK> e=y
[11:54] <streetuff> hey berry :)
[11:54] <dreamon_> bertrik, No display.. simple counting on screen. Simple counting. Later on I will show it in Web with apache. It should simple count a extern high/low switching over gpio
[11:54] <Berry_HK> streetuff: hej
[11:54] <streetuff> Berry_HK: you are everywhere and not only in #c-64 eh?
[11:54] <Berry_HK> hehe
[11:54] <techsurvivor> ah... well i'm sure you can get plenty help here and the forums. but it might be more optimized, I honestly haven't tried any performance characterization
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[11:55] <Berry_HK> i like to browse around
[11:55] <streetuff> rpi is too slow for vice
[11:55] <bertrik> dreamon_, I think adafruit wrote some libs to make GPIO access easy, but I don't have experience with that myself yet
[11:55] <Berry_HK> streetuff: this x-chat takes you to places you never dreamed off... (keeping away from the adult chatrooms...)
[11:55] <streetuff> even compiled sdl vice and it was too slow
[11:56] <techsurvivor> that's too bad :(
[11:56] <Berry_HK> streetuff: but i wonder how this VIC314 worked out
[11:56] <streetuff> with sound off our krawall deluxe demo ran so-so
[11:56] <Berry_HK> streetuff: i guess i need another board for my C64 project
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[11:57] <techsurvivor> i wonder if you couldn't reduce the amount of time for preemption and help the sound problems
[11:57] <techsurvivor> it would cause more context switches but might help with stuttery sound
[11:58] <dreamon_> bertrik, an my older boards, I made a timer. that tested the input an counted. the high time is so long I never had problem with counting. but raspi is doing a lot of stuff, so I dont want to slow down something
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[11:58] <dreamon_> bertrik, Do you have a link? I will going to search
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[12:00] <bertrik> dreamon_, this is what I had in mind http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-educational-linux-distro/ but now I see I was wrong about the GPIO libs
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[12:03] <bertrik> perhaps this helps: http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[12:05] <dreamon_> bertrik, Thanks .. I will go on searching.. Merci .. byebye
[12:07] <Berry_HK> i will pop in here later for some wheezy help ok?
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[12:18] <gordonDrogon> what are you trying to do with the GPIO pins?
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> I've written a lot of code to pok about with them...
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[12:22] <virunga> gordonDrogon: is dangerous play with those pins? Could someone break anything?
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> virunga, yes, it's possible to short circuit a pin to 0v and enable it as an output and set it high...
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> virunga, which will usually happen is that the Pi will reboot, as the 3.3v supply will be shorted, but it's possible that it could damage the chip.
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> virunga, however if your write your code carefully (or use someone elses code!) then you should be fairly safe.
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> is my code to drive the GPIO pins (and so some other stuff too)
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[12:25] <virunga> gordonDrogon: ok, thanks. Then, if someone know what is dangerous can avoid it.
[12:26] <virunga> ah, i already saw this site :)
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:27] <InControl> hey gordonDrogon: I have been giving some more thought to the idea of peripherals identifying themselves to the OS
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[12:28] <virunga> gordonDrogon: i gave it a look to see the libraries for pi.
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[12:28] <gordonDrogon> there are other libraries, but I sort of like mine ;-)
[12:28] <virunga> :D
[12:28] <bertrik> dreamon_, did you see that ^ ?
[12:29] <InControl> I worked out probably the best thing to do would be use an I2C EEPROM such as the M24C02
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[12:30] <InControl> because you can have multiple things on the I2C bus, having an EEPROM on there will not interfere with other uses for I2C such as IO expanders as their device identifiers would be unique
[12:31] <dreamon_> bertrik, what specially?
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[12:31] <dreamon_> bertrik, my english is not as good, as it should be. ;)
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[12:33] <bertrik> dreamon_, I mean GPIO library from gordonDrogon : https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
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[12:35] <dreamon_> bertrik, Oh. It sounds goog. C is my favorite. Thanks a Lot!
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> I'm often here, but email or post a comment if you want help.
[12:37] <dreamon_> gordonDrogon, That your homepage?.. sry I sitting on the wire ;)
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> that's my personal projects site: https://projects.drogon.net/
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> but it sort of gets mixed up a little with some of my "work" stuff which is just http://drogon.net/
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[12:42] <gordonDrogon> right. need to go out now - going to a freinds for lunch... laters!
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[12:42] <virunga> bye
[12:43] <dreamon_> gordonDrogon, have you any experience with counting on gpio high/low jumps. Searching for a easy way without slowing down the raspi.
[12:44] <dreamon_> gordonDrogon, Ok. See ya
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[13:11] <stefanBA> Hello!
[13:11] <stefanBA> Anybody here who has used the I2C master of RasPi?
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[13:18] <InControl> stefanBA: possibly gordonDrogon but he isn't on-line now
[13:19] <stefanBA> hm, okay, thanks
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[13:50] <ReggieUK> hi all
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[13:52] <InControl> hi ReggieUK, a bit quiet in here right now
[13:52] <ReggieUK> indeed
[13:53] <stefanBA> should I tell you what I'm doing with my RasPi right now to entertain you?
[13:54] <ReggieUK> yuo can if you like :)
[13:54] <stefanBA> why not, I'm stuck anyway *g
[13:54] <bertrik> we can try to get you unstuck
[13:54] <stefanBA> so I'm playing with the I2C and sometimes it's not working
[13:54] <stefanBA> the problem seems to be when the I2C slave device connected stretches the clock period
[13:55] <InControl> how do you mean sometimes not working ?
[13:55] <stefanBA> the RasPi does not detect this and continues
[13:55] <stefanBA> not working = wrong data read by RasPi
[13:55] <ReggieUK> I thought the pi (being master) dictated teh clock?
[13:55] <InControl> oh
[13:56] <stefanBA> in I2C the slave is allowed to extend the clock by holding the clock pin low if the clock is too fast for it
[13:56] <bertrik> can you just slow the clock down?
[13:56] <InControl> perhaps the RPi driver has not allowed for that
[13:57] <stefanBA> the bcm2835-arm-perhi.pdf sys on page 28 that this "clock stretching" is supported
[13:57] <InControl> but the linux kernel driver would need to support it surely ?
[13:57] <stefanBA> I already checked all the registers and wrote several different values to the "clock stretching timeout register" - does not change anything
[13:58] <stefanBA> I think this is handled by the peripheral hardware
[13:58] <InControl> I see
[13:58] <ReggieUK> this sounds like it might be a gordonDrogon kind of question
[13:58] <stefanBA> yeah, InControl told me already that gordonDrogon is the one to ask
[13:59] <stefanBA> but anyway, besided this problem occuring only in about 2% of all I2C reads, my stepper motor control via I2C is working :-)
[14:00] <stefanBA> first, I tried to do the real-time stuff directly on RasPi - but I could not get the worst case latency below 3ms
[14:00] <stefanBA> now I've added an Atmega8a to do the real-time stuff
[14:01] <InControl> So many people seem to think the RPi is a replacement for a microcontroler
[14:01] <ReggieUK> why are you still doing i2c if you've got an atmega strapped to it?
[14:01] <ReggieUK> InControl, it is kind of, depending on what you want to do exactly
[14:01] <ReggieUK> leds and buttons are simple enough
[14:02] <stefanBA> you mean SPI or RS232 is better?
[14:02] <ReggieUK> rs232 wouldn't care about the speed as such
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[14:02] <mikma> so theres this software that allows you and your friend to form a "lan" over the internet.. anyone recalls the name of the program?
[14:02] <ReggieUK> vpn
[14:02] <InControl> I think the RPi is far better suited to being a bridge between a mc and network
[14:02] <bertrik> stefanBA, I wonder if clock stretching is indeed supported by the linux driver then. Another thing I would check is to see if there are any errata for the bcm
[14:02] <stefanBA> InControl, I'm not thinking RasPi is a microcontroller replacement, I would not even try to connect an HD display to a microcontroller and do something useful on it
[14:03] <ReggieUK> I think it's suited to whatever people make it do :)
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[14:03] <stefanBA> bertrik, but I have read the data sheet and added the clock stretching support to the driver
[14:03] <InControl> So you would use the RPi to provide an interface with any heavy computational stuff and let the mc's do the physical hardware control.
[14:03] <stefanBA> InControl, exactly
[14:04] <stefanBA> floating point computation on an atmega is kind of slow
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[14:04] <mikma> ah, Hamachi
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[14:07] <trevorman> hamachi isn't good for security and they're squatting on an IP block that has now been assigned
[14:07] <KeyCat> Hi, anyone knows how to make a DEB-package after I compiled a program to share with others?
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[14:08] <stefanBA> KeyCat: http://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging
[14:08] <sam> KeyCat: you may wish to read about debhelper
[14:08] <KeyCat> thx for pointers will check it out
[14:09] <mikma> keycat: http://bit.ly/N6ZsTE
[14:09] <InControl> I'm looking at I2C myself at the moment with the idea of putting an I2C EEPROM on expansion boards so that the OS can query the board to find out what hardware capabilities it has.
[14:10] <stefanBA> KeyCat, or even better: http://wiki.debian.org/Packaging
[14:10] <stefanBA> InControl, this should work as EEPROMS usually do not use clock stretching
[14:10] <KeyCat> thx guys... checking it all out
[14:11] <InControl> The problem being at the moment that so many boards being made and no common way of setting them up.
[14:12] <stefanBA> InControl, I completely agree
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[14:13] <InControl> My proposal is basically have an XML file on the EEPROM that would allow the host OS to load the appropriate protocol drivers and give meaningful feedback when the user tries to access hardware that isn't there
[14:14] <InControl> I2C seems the most sensible way as it only uses 2 connections and can be addressed using a device identifier
[14:15] <trevorman> your boards going to be stackable?
[14:15] <ukwiz> why does sudo chown -R root:users /mnt/share give chown: changing ownership of `/mnt/share': Operation not permitted
[14:16] <stefanBA> InControl, but why xml? a simple name (e.g. like java packages would by enough), so you do not need to store tons of information on the board
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[14:17] <InControl> Basically so that it can be easily expanded, open to ideas though
[14:17] <trevorman> ukwiz: that a fat32/ntfs drive you're mounting?
[14:17] <InControl> I am thinking of a 2KB I2C EEPROM as they only cost 10p $0.15)
[14:18] <trevorman> InControl: idk. seems a bit heavyweight to use XML but good for future expansion of the format I guess. a simple binary format would probably be sufficient.
[14:18] <stefanBA> InControl, I understand - but I think identifying the board is sufficient, all the XML and extendability could be handled on the RasPi on a higher level
[14:18] <trevorman> a 4 byte type, length of payload and then payload
[14:18] <trevorman> + a version number at the start
[14:19] <stefanBA> I mean, look how USB handles the detection of divices, each device just has two numbers (vendor and product) and once the host knows those number, the rest is handled on the host in SW
[14:19] <trevorman> InControl: if your boards are intended to be stackable then you're going to get address conflicts on your ID EEPROMs
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[14:20] <InControl> I suppose the idea of using XML is that for boards that don't have the EEPROM then an XML file can be placed on the host OS file system.
[14:20] <trevorman> getting complicated now
[14:21] <trevorman> you should always be able to force it on the host anyway
[14:21] <InControl> System startup ->
[14:21] <InControl> Master GPIO Driver loads ->
[14:21] <InControl> XPID Config manager loads ->
[14:21] <InControl> Attempt communication with device ->
[14:21] <InControl> If device responds with configuration load protocol modules ->
[14:21] <InControl> If device does not respond look for config file on local file system ->
[14:21] <InControl> If no config file found load default set according to RPi defaults.
[14:21] <InControl> XPID is the name I'm calling it (Extensible Peripheral Interface Description)
[14:21] <stefanBA> seems to be possible, but needs maybe a large EEPROM
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[14:22] <trevorman> unless you're going for the PCI/USB style basic IDs, you're going to find making this spec will give you massive headaches
[14:22] <ukwiz> trevorman: yes, a fat stick
[14:22] <stefanBA> I was thinking of: ..., read ID numbers from device, read <ID>.xml from host filesystem, ...
[14:22] <trevorman> ukwiz: alter the mount options if you want it owned by somebody else
[14:23] <InControl> I thought of the ID thing but, having the whole config on the EEPROM would prevent the need for anything to be installed on the FS
[14:24] <trevorman> a 2K EEPROM isn't going to store very much XML especially if you need to wedge in some calibration data and options
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[14:24] <bertrik> ISA PnP used a kind of enumeration scheme using a shared open-collector data line
[14:24] <trevorman> InControl: you're going to need drivers anyway on the rpi
[14:24] <bertrik> but it might already be too late to come up with a standard and try to make everyone follow it
[14:24] <stefanBA> InControl, installing on FS is easier than installing on EEPROM... How big is your EEPROM? 64kbit?
[14:25] <ukwiz> trevorman: Maybe I would be better formatting it as ext3
[14:25] <trevorman> ukwiz: yeah
[14:25] <InControl> stefanBA: 2kb EEPROM, expandable to 16kb
[14:26] <stefanBA> 2kb is only 256 chars...
[14:27] <trevorman> InControl means 2KB
[14:28] <stefanBA> that's also not much for XML
[14:28] <InControl> hmm, perhaps XML is not really necessary on the EEPROM
[14:29] <trevorman> what type of expansion boards you thinking of anyway?
[14:29] <InControl> trevorman: well anything and everything really
[14:30] <InControl> If you have a SPI IO expander for example the EEPROM would tell the host that SPI is required and that the expander provides 16 bi-directional digital IO's
[14:31] <InControl> or a simple IO buffer board the EEPROM would tell the OS that no SPI is required and that those pins should be used as generic digital GPIO's
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[14:33] <trevorman> it is a nice idea. it will require a lot of work on the spec to make it flexible enough though.
[14:33] <InControl> Anyway, I had better be going, but I will write up my proposal in more detail later and ask for comments so we can get something workable.
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[14:34] <trevorman> something which could be a nice optional feature would be another EEPROM for persistant settings
[14:35] <trevorman> writing to the same EEPROM as the board ID is probably not good unless you have EEPROMs that let you write protect a large chunk of it
[14:35] <trevorman> that is probably more of a v2 wishlist
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[15:00] <plugwash_> lots of eeproms are available that allow you to write protect chunks
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[15:05] <home> so I filled my 2gb SD card
[15:05] <home> lol
[15:05] <home> going to rewipe that thing
[15:05] <home> haha
[15:06] <mr_ino> Hi everyone
[15:09] <mr_ino> I'm still approximately 4 weeks away from my Pi showing up, but I'm eager to play. Are most people using Raspbian on their Pi's these days? and do any of you have a good setup for testing out the OS's and popular packages before the hardware is around?
[15:10] <plugwash_> mr_ino, who did you order your Pi from?
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[15:11] <mr_ino> Allied Electronics
[15:11] <mr_ino> back at the end of June
[15:11] <mr_ino> I'm in the US
[15:11] <Toneloc> I just had a weird idea- why not just make the Raspberry PI with x86 architecture?
[15:11] <Toneloc> I assume its for cost reasons
[15:11] <Toneloc> that ARM was used
[15:12] <mr_ino> I think there's that, and the ARM had easier specs for open-source development
[15:12] <Toneloc> and also to give people the experience of building a system from the ground up
[15:12] <mr_ino> or something to that effect. There was an article on it on the website a while back
[15:12] <plugwash_> mr_ino, well if you want a Pi sooner rather than later i'd suggest ordering one from newark (us branch of the farnell group)
[15:12] <plugwash_> farnell/newark seem far less backordered than rs/allied
[15:12] <trevorman> there isn't any difference in open sourceness between the RPi and a PC. it is probably worse actually.
[15:12] <mr_ino> interesting!
[15:12] <Toneloc> yeagh, i was just wondering, because if it was made x86, it run so many thing 'out of the box'
[15:13] <trevorman> Toneloc: an x86 SoC would be more expensive
[15:13] <Toneloc> *yeah
[15:13] <Toneloc> yeah, i mentioned cost aleady
[15:13] <Toneloc> *already
[15:14] <trevorman> thats pretty much the reason
[15:14] <plugwash_> afaict the main critera for the SoC on the Pi was being as cheap as possible while still being good enough to do what the foundation wanted
[15:14] <trevorman> ^
[15:14] <mr_ino> ahh, yeah??? right there on the FAQ: "Cost and performance"
[15:14] <Toneloc> wouldnt I be right in saying that x86 would have made thing alot easier? I mean, there wouldnt be all these issues of porting stuff and such
[15:15] <plugwash_> I don't think anyone is making a x86 SoC in the price range
[15:15] <plugwash_> and also being arm keeps windows off the device.....
[15:15] <trevorman> PC and RPi both have mysterious bootloaders that are closed source. Both have GPUs that aren't open. The PC actually has some open source drivers for cards though even if they don't do everything unlike the RPi's VideoCore which is just a massive blackbox
[15:15] <unknownbit> my package originated in US, really? so only less than 7 days i have raspberrypi
[15:16] <mr_ino> did you order yours from Newark also? I'm strongly considering canceling my RI/Allied order now
[15:16] <mr_ino> maybe i'll just order a second one!
[15:16] <unknownbit> yap in newark
[15:16] <trevorman> not sure about the US but people have reported ordering RPis in the last couple weeks and it appearing very quickly
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[15:17] <unknownbit> it appears that they store raspberrypi in southcarolina
[15:17] <trevorman> I expect they've got stock of them at their warehouses
[15:18] <unknownbit> yay might order another 1 too :D
[15:18] <Toneloc> I just think that the fact that so many things have to be ported to ARM to run on the pi, it just compounds the problem that linux isnt exactly straight forward, I mean there is always some tqweaking or gotcha, especially for beginners
[15:18] <mr_ino> oh, random question: the power plug???. usb mini or micro?
[15:18] <trevorman> mr_ino: micro
[15:18] <mr_ino> thanks
[15:18] <trevorman> Toneloc: a basic recompile is generally enough to make something work on the rpi
[15:19] <Toneloc> but maybe that is part of the attraction
[15:19] <trevorman> if you want runs everything then buy a full sized PC and pay the extra money for it
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[15:19] <Toneloc> trevorman- yeah, sure, I understand
[15:21] <plugwash_> The point of the Pi was to be cheap enough that kids could "own" it and tinker with it without anyone worrying that they were going to mess it up. Sacrifices had to be made to achive that price point and in some places I think the foundation went a little too far
[15:23] <mr_ino> alrighty??? ordered pi #2
[15:24] <Toneloc> plugwash_ yes, I can appreciate that. I believe the pi will turn into the c64 that I wished I had when I was a kid.
[15:24] <InControl> hmm, looking at I2C Eeproms looks like if cost is going to be low enough to be a no brainer then 8kb (bits not bytes) is going to be the most viable
[15:25] <Toneloc> I appreciate that they had to make the pi cheap enough that cost was no longer a barrier
[15:26] <trevorman> InControl: you definitely don't want XML if you've only got 1KB to play with
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[15:26] <InControl> I think that anyone building an I/O board is going to want to keep extra cost to below $0.50
[15:27] <Toneloc> Perhaps a pi with add-on / upgrade boards would be an idea- i mean, buy what you need/want
[15:28] <InControl> Also data size needs to be small so as to make the probing sequence quick.
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[15:29] <Toneloc> but then again, that may take the pi away from the 'unified hardware' , that I believe is quite imporatnt- especially for beginners. I mean, we all know what it is like to be taht kid or person who reads about something cool, but then discovers they cant do it because they dont have an XYZ
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[15:30] <InControl> So I think 8kb with basic ID and protocol settings along with an XML file that can be stored on the host FS for more advanced config options.
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[15:32] <InControl> So config information could be held in particular byte locations
[15:35] <Novae> anyone know what the best -march is for GCC on an RPi?
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[15:36] <Novae> best in this case being stability and native speed(using all available registers and what not).
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[16:14] <dwatkins> hmmm, Wheezy seems to have more difficulty bringing up the network when there's not a lot of power to spare than my other install.
[16:15] <PhotoJim> I had some weird network issues the other day. IPv6 came up, IPv4 wouldn't. A reboot didn't cure it. I shut the Pi down overnight and it came up fine the next day so I'm wondering if it was an overheating issue.
[16:17] <dwatkins> PhotoJim: yes, I was suspecting the same - I'd been using x11vnc yesterday for a while, then it stopped working, so I halted the system - just now I tried again and had the same trouble, swapped SD Cards and back again, and it's fine in Wheezy once more.
[16:18] <PhotoJim> if it persists, try a little cooling fan and see if that cures it. if so, mystery solved.
[16:18] <dwatkins> The best part is that because I'm logged on to my work VPN connection, I'm remote controlling the Pi a few metres away via the internet via Dublin, I'm in Edinburgh ;)
[16:18] <dwatkins> yeah, good plan
[16:18] <PhotoJim> Heh.
[16:18] <trevorman> the rpi shouldn't overheat unless you're trying to do some heroic overvolting and overclocking
[16:18] <PhotoJim> I could ssh to my VPS in Australia, and back to my Pi in Canada. That seems evil. ;)
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[16:19] <PhotoJim> trevorman: I'm running mine at stock clock rates.
[16:19] <trevorman> it should return to ambient temperature very quickly anyway since it has very little thermal mass
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[16:19] <Toneloc> dwatkins- are you from Ireland?
[16:19] <PhotoJim> and I was just running a GUI-less run, no heavy video processing or anything. I start X when I need it.
[16:19] <dwatkins> trevorman: good to know, thanks - I was worried I had made the magic smoke escape when I still couldn't get the network working today
[16:19] <trevorman> ethernet or wifi?
[16:19] <PhotoJim> Ethernet in my case.
[16:19] <dwatkins> trevorman: ethernet to a netgear gigabit switch
[16:20] <PhotoJim> Wired Ethernet.
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[16:20] <dwatkins> iirc the Pi's interface is only 100 Mbit.
[16:20] <trevorman> hm odd then. if it was wifi then it is quite likely the polyfuses but that wouldn't affect ethernet
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[16:20] <PhotoJim> dwatkins: it is, not that that matters too much.
[16:20] <trevorman> dwatkins: it is but no harm in using gige ports
[16:20] <dwatkins> I'm considering ordering a little wifi dongle, but will use it on a powered USB hub.
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[16:20] <dwatkins> trevorman: yeah, and I think they auto-sense in case you have a crossover cable
[16:21] <dwatkins> PhotoJim: yeah, I can't see ethernet being much of a bottleneck on the system, presumably USB is, though.
[16:21] <dwatkins> hmmm, thinking about it, perhaps USB is a little faster in theory, but anyway
[16:21] <trevorman> dwatkins: yeah. the USB LAN chip is auto mdix
[16:22] <trevorman> dwatkins: the ethernet on the RPi hangs off USB
[16:22] <PhotoJim> dwatkins: if I recall correctly, wired Ethernet logically uses USB 2.0 on the Pi. so it may not matter.
[16:22] <Toneloc> +datwatkins- do you do embedded dev in dublin by any chance?
[16:22] <trevorman> the chip used is a combined USB hub + USB ethernet dongle. it hangs off a single USB port on the SoC
[16:22] <dwatkins> auto mdix, sounds like I should look this up
[16:22] <IT_Sean> That is correct. The ethernet adapter is USB based on the Pi
[16:22] <PhotoJim> yes, USB 2.0 is a little faster than 100BaseTX wired Ethernet. I can see that now because I'm rsyncing a drive over GigE using USB 2.0 for the local drive (not that that's pi-related).
[16:22] <dwatkins> Toneloc: no, I work for a software company
[16:23] <dwatkins> PhotoJim: yeah, I keep meaning to draw-up a comparison of all the various protocols for something else (CF based storage over IDE and USB)
[16:23] <IT_Sean> The SOC, iirc, has got a single USB connection. That is split by an onboard hub to the thernet, and the two USB ports you can see.
[16:23] <trevorman> IT_Sean: yup
[16:24] <Toneloc> +datwatwins -Ah, ok. Im in Ireland, just thought you done embedded systrems, I will be in the market for a job in it next year (hopefully), scary thought
[16:24] <trevorman> IT_Sean: the model A just wires that single port directly to a socket. there are some pads you short
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[16:26] <dwatkins> oh bah, now the network's dropped again, perhaps a 1A power supply (TomTom USB adapter) isn't enough
[16:26] <trevorman> 1A is plenty
[16:26] <trevorman> a stock RPi will only ever draw ~700mA in total from it
[16:26] <dwatkins> hmm, I wonder why the network stops working, then (keyboard and mouse aren't connected)
[16:26] <trevorman> thats including whatever it gives to the USB ports
[16:26] <trevorman> you got a multimeter handy?
[16:26] <dwatkins> yeah trevorman
[16:26] <PhotoJim> bbiab
[16:27] <trevorman> measure the voltage across TP1 and TP2
[16:27] <dwatkins> ok, will have to take the Pi out of its case and find those points on the board, thanks
[16:27] <trevorman> TP1 is just above the big regulator and TP2 is next to the composite video socket
[16:28] <trevorman> the tomtom adapter voltage might be a bit low
[16:29] <dwatkins> trevorman: you mean put the probes on each of these points on the board, to measure voltage-drop?
[16:29] <IT_Sean> Measure the voltage at those points
[16:29] <trevorman> ^
[16:29] <IT_Sean> put one probe on TP1
[16:29] <IT_Sean> and one probe on TP2
[16:29] <IT_Sean> and read the voltage
[16:29] <dwatkins> thanks, will do
[16:30] <dwatkins> 4.8 Volts
[16:30] <IT_Sean> 4.8?
[16:30] <IT_Sean> that's seems a touch low.
[16:30] <dwatkins> yeah, 4.80 +/- 0.01
[16:31] <dwatkins> yeah, I've been considering repurposing a PC power supply via one of the molex connectors or even using the standby power.
[16:31] <trevorman> 4.8V is the lower limit
[16:31] <IT_Sean> Dunno what the low end of the spec is for the raspi, but, ideally, you should be at 5V
[16:31] <trevorman> so you're right on the edge which is probably why its glitchy
[16:31] <dwatkins> I'll check this again after rebooting using the USB socket on the sode of my TV, that seemed to work well, surprisingly
[16:31] <dwatkins> gotcha, thanks trevorman :)
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[16:32] <sunkan> I tried the event example program that comes with the bcm2835 C lib. Can't get it to work and after it has been run the raspberry freezes when the GPIO is pulled low so need to have it pulled high until next reboot. Any ideas?
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[16:35] <plugwash_> not sure there ever was a formal spec
[16:35] * plugwash_ gets the impression that the Pi guys made the dangerous assumption that 5V meant 5V
[16:35] <dwatkins> hmm, the TV and the xbox give even worse results, 4.6 Volts in the case of the latter during boot.
[16:35] <plugwash_> while all real power supplies have a tolerance
[16:36] <trevorman> plugwash_: the 3.3V reg wants 4.75V IIRC
[16:36] <dwatkins> Shame - it would have been neat to have gotten reliable power from the TV and amusing to power the Pi from the xbox ;)
[16:36] <plugwash_> hmm, I thought it was a little lower than that looking at the datasheet for the 3.3V reg
[16:36] <plugwash_> but I may be misremembering
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[16:37] <timg> i'm trying to increase my screen resolution as I have a black border around my screen
[16:37] <timg> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=25468
[16:37] <timg> kind of old. is this what I should do for wheezy?
[16:37] <trevorman> plugwash_: probably I'm remembering wrong since 4.75 seems pretty high for a LDO
[16:38] <trevorman> plugwash_: the rpi is definitely unreliable under 4.8V though
[16:39] <bertrik> perhaps a silly question: but how do you compile stuff for the pi? directly on the pi itself, or on a PC using a cross-compiler?
[16:39] <dwatkins> best I've managed so far is 4.73 Volts with an old B&Q surge protecting USB mains adapter.
[16:39] <TheBrayn> you could use distcc
[16:40] <dwatkins> I guess I'd best get a dedicated power supply.
[16:40] <TheBrayn> gentoo also has crossdev, no idea if it's available on other distris
[16:41] <bertrik> TheBrayn, what do *you* use?
[16:41] <plugwash_> IIRC the regulator on the Pi (at least the one shown on the schematic) has a dropout arround 1.2V
[16:41] <plugwash_> which would put the minimum input arround 4.5V
[16:41] <trevorman> using USB to power the RPi is a bad idea considering how quirky it is regarding voltage
[16:42] <PhotoJim> bertrik: there's nothing wrong with compiling stuff right on the pi, if you want to keep things simple. it just won't be super fast. for some compilation work that really isn't a big problem. if you want to build LibreOffice... maybe a problem :)
[16:42] <plugwash_> the thing is though if your PSU is only managing 4.75V as seen on a multimeter it probablly has dips much lower than that
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[16:42] <TheBrayn> bertrik: I'd probably use crossdev
[16:43] <TheBrayn> but I haven't compiled anything on the rpi yet
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[16:43] <dwatkins> I'm assuming there are power supplies available from Rapid, Farnell and RS for the Pi which aren't just USB chargers and will deliver 5 Volts properly.
[16:43] <bertrik> PhotoJim, ok, and what do you use to edit the files and what do you use for revision control (push/commit directly to a repo from the pi)?
[16:44] <bertrik> the elinux.org wiki has a list of adapters reported to work
[16:44] <dwatkins> thanks bertrik
[16:44] <plugwash_> well RS are selling PSUs for the Pi, however I saw a report on the forum that the voltage from one of them was borderline
[16:44] <plugwash_> really with the Pi you want to be aiming arround 5.1V
[16:44] <trevorman> 4.75V to 10V according to http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NCP1117-D.PDF
[16:45] <trevorman> 10V would be bad for everything else in there before anybody tries it :P
[16:45] <bertrik> dwatkins, http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Power_adapters to be exact
[16:45] <PhotoJim> bertrik: I'm nowhere nearly that advanced on my pi yet, to be truthful. I'm just running the stock distro and if I need to, I compile applications that aren't native to raspbian.
[16:45] <dwatkins> PhotoJim: interesting, I tested the iPad2 adapter, and it registered about 4.7 Volts across T1 and T2
[16:46] <bertrik> an ipad2 adapter works for me (TM)
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[16:46] <dwatkins> I'll see how stable the network is with each of these power supplies after the systems been up and under load for a while.
[16:47] <trevorman> I power my RPis from HP Touchpad chargers
[16:47] <dwatkins> aha, I knew there was a use for the HP Touchpad ;)
[16:47] <trevorman> They output 5.3V @ 2A and I get 5.1V between the test points
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[16:48] <trevorman> dwatkins: touchpads are/were cheap and they run android pretty well assuming you don't want to use the crap camera
[16:49] <dwatkins> trevorman: yeah, I was kidding (and I wish I'd gotten myself one when they were cheap, for fun and reinstalling)
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[16:50] <trevorman> first and last time I used the camera was trying skype video calls in webos and it looked like I was trying to film through 10 layers of clingfilm
[16:50] <MIG-> Has anyone played around with SPI on the pi ?
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[16:51] <MIG-> I've recompiled the kernel with spidev support and have looked at the spidev_test.c code that comes with the kernel. However, I am falling short of understanding the test code.
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[16:51] <MIG-> Does it write to the SPI and then read what it just wrote?
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[16:53] <sunkan> MIG-: Have not used the SPI yet, but from reading some papers on chips and the BCM2835 as I understand it at the same time as you clock things out it also clocks things in. Whether you get something useful or will need another cycle to get the results depend on what you are talking to.
[16:53] <MIG-> another pi :)
[16:54] <MIG-> First, going to try and get two pi's talking to each other over SPI. then I want to try use SPI to get the pi to talk to an MSP430 launchpad.
[16:54] <sunkan> MIG-: Well in that case you will know if you send anything useful from the receiving device or not.
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[16:55] <MIG-> In my mind they might need to kind of sync up
[16:55] <plugwash_> SPI is a master-slave system
[16:55] <MIG-> k
[16:55] <sunkan> MIG-: Well in SPI you have a master and a slave, the master runs the clock that would be the sync (in addition ot the chip select I think)
[16:55] <MIG-> so, then maybe I need to look at how to tell the SPI linux driver to change operation modes
[16:55] <plugwash_> and i'm not sure if the SPI on the Pi can do slave mode or not
[16:56] <MIG-> ok
[16:56] <sunkan> True, I have not read anything about it running as a slave.
[16:56] <MIG-> I didn't want to tackle the unkown of both the pi and the MSP launchpad
[16:56] <MIG-> so I guess I'll try and code the launchpad for slave mode, and the pi for master
[16:57] <sunkan> MIG-: I would start with an AD converter or something similar to get the hang of it. (I'm thinking of hooking up a NTC for a temp monitor to learn)
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[16:58] <MIG-> NTC ?
[16:58] <MIG-> I got pwm working on both the pi and the MSP board
[16:58] <trevorman> MIG-: spidev-test doesn't really do very much. its more "oh it runs and doesn't blow up". you need to alter the message it is sending to get any meaningful results
[16:58] <MIG-> read the broadcom manual to get the pwm working on the PI. Then found out it was wired up to do 2 pwm's. So I had to get pwm working on the MSP.
[16:58] <sunkan> MIG-: don't remember what it stands for... thermo sensetive resistor something..
[16:58] <MIG-> trevorman: ok
[16:59] <bertrik> Negative Temperature Coefficient :)
[16:59] <MIG-> trevorman: that's all I am looking for right now ... for the otherside to acknowledge the "oh it runs" message.
[16:59] <sunkan> Thanks
[17:00] <MIG-> I am in need of some sort reasonably priced of logic analyzer. I've been looking into the bus pirate
[17:00] <MIG-> any suggestions on that front ?
[17:02] <Xark> MIG-: I highly recommend the Logic Sniffer Logic Probe. Works great and is ~$50 -> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/open-workbench-logic-sniffer-p-612.html
[17:03] <trevorman> MIG-: Open Workbench Logic Sniffer
[17:03] <trevorman> what he said
[17:03] <MIG-> cool
[17:03] <Xark> Er, logic analyzer. Up to 200Mhz, I2C, SPI and serial etc. modes it is great for debugging.
[17:03] <trevorman> the bus pirate can do it but you're very limited in number of signals it can monitor and it is also significantly slower
[17:04] <MIG-> did you get the http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/logic-sniffer-probe-cable-p-619.html?cPath=61_68 cables with it ?
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[17:04] <blarson__> if you just want spi, i2c, etc. you might look at the bus pirate. one of the dangerous prototypes things available from seeed.
[17:04] <Xark> Yeah, IMO it is excellent (use the new client here http://www.lxtreme.nl/ols/ ). Bus pirate is nice too, but I think the OLS is more useful even.
[17:05] <MIG-> ya, I'll spend the extra $20
[17:05] <trevorman> depends on what you're wanting for your tool really
[17:05] <MIG-> compared to a logical analyzer/ oscilloscope, it's cheap
[17:05] <Xark> Bus pirate is great for toying with chips from the PC, OLS is great for debugging why your circuit isn't working. :)
[17:05] <MIG-> k
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[17:07] <trevorman> they do a smaller logic analyser as well called the logic shrimp but it works differently to the full logic sniffer
[17:07] <Xark> You can also use an Arduino as a "poor mans client" for OLS if need be (not as good a sample rate as FPGA board, but still can be usefil).
[17:07] <trevorman> you should just spend the extra $$$ and get the full logic sniffer though
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[17:08] <bertrik> myself, so far, I've always been able to figure out stuff with an o-scope and not needed a logic analyser
[17:09] <trevorman> your data lines can't be very fast or numerous then
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[17:10] <Xark> I agree. An analog scope plus OLS is a great combo (and you can capture a long history with RLE mode of OLS).
[17:11] <bubu> anyone know if a list of approved and 100% working powered usb hubs that work with the raspi?
[17:12] <IT_Sean> heh
[17:12] <IT_Sean> that's a god one.
[17:12] <chithead> I don't think the foundation approves any hardware
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[17:12] <bubu> lol
[17:12] <IT_Sean> I am not aware of such a list, sorry. It seems a bit hit and miss. Some hubs are okeh, some are not.
[17:12] <trevorman> there is a list at the wiki of tested devices but getting an exact match may prove to be difficult
[17:12] <bubu> ok maybe not approved - but what are people using that is working for them?
[17:13] <trevorman> you'd need to open up the hubs and write down all the chip IDs and provide photos to compare if you wanted something the same
[17:13] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals if you find something that works or doesn't work, you can add it to the wiki
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[17:23] * dwatkins notes that Farnell only sell a USB power adapter and wonders what else he needs from RS to justify the cost of delivery of a power adapter
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[17:23] <bubu\a> thoughts on this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-Amp-7-Port-USB-Powered-Hub-for-Raspberry-Pi-Includes-Micro-USB-cable-to-Power-/330761421344?pt=UK_Computing_USB_Cables&hash=item4d02eac220#ht_2849wt_1065
[17:24] <bubu\a> anyone confirm it working?
[17:24] <dwatkins> Perhaps I should just buy a molex adapter and use my spare PSU.
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[17:24] <IT_Sean> that would be incredibly inefficient
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[17:24] <IT_Sean> not to mention, you'd need more load on the PSU for it to work properly.
[17:25] <IT_Sean> perhaps an old HDD or something
[17:25] <dwatkins> IT_Sean: perhaps, although I've heard it's possible to use the standby power source, too
[17:25] <IT_Sean> ahh... possibly.
[17:25] <chithead> or you can a use d-link psu and attach a microusb plug at the end
[17:26] <dwatkins> hmmm, I may have a spare D-Link power supply...
[17:26] * IT_Sean has loads of 12v and 9v PSUs, but no 5v ones.
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[17:27] <bubu\a> lol
[17:27] <dwatkins> I have several 12V ones, yeah
[17:27] <bubu\a> what powered hubs everyone using?
[17:28] <trevorman> some cheap junk one I picked up years ago
[17:28] <trevorman> its the very well known brand of <completely blank with no markings at all>
[17:29] <blarson__> 7-port one with lots of blinkylights I got at a swap meet. will replace the wall-wart with a switcher to directly use my house battery.
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[17:30] <bubu\a> lol
[17:30] <bubu\a> only ask as my unbranded cheapo doesnt have enough power
[17:30] <bubu\a> so i want to know what everyone is using before I fork out for another one
[17:30] <trevorman> enough power to do what?
[17:30] <PhotoJim> bubu\a: you may just need a beefier power supply.
[17:30] <trevorman> I'm not powering the RPi off the hub
[17:31] <timg> I have a logitech wireless kb/mouse
[17:31] <timg> it works fine directly off the rpi usb port
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[17:32] <timg> i tried plugging in a 4port usb hub into the rpi usb port
[17:32] <bubu\a> i want to power off the hub aswell as have wifi usb adapter etc
[17:32] <timg> kb/mouse didn't work in that
[17:32] <trevorman> timg: powered hub?
[17:32] <bubu\a> timg, mine too
[17:32] <timg> trevorman: nope
[17:32] <bubu\a> but i need more than 2 usb ports :)
[17:32] <trevorman> timg: then that isn't surprising
[17:32] <timg> trevorman: I see
[17:32] <trevorman> the hub needs power itself
[17:32] <timg> roger
[17:33] <trevorman> you have a little over 100mA on the port. the hub will want some to power itself and whatever is left isn't enough to power the logitech receiver.
[17:33] <timg> makes sense
[17:33] <timg> I really just need a second usb keyboard so I don't have to keep trading off between my pc and rpi
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[17:35] <trevorman> bubu\a: it would be better to tap into the 5V feeding the hub and power the RPi from that
[17:40] <bubu\a> kk
[17:43] <bubu\a> am gna go for it
[17:43] <bubu\a> and hopefully its ok
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[17:55] <mlmmt> finally, my rpi shipped
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