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IRC Log for 2012-08-06

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[18:07] <yehnan> mongrelion: how's it?
[18:08] * MikeJ1971 (~MikeJ1971@dhcp-03.ilrt.bris.ac.uk) Quit (Quit: Bye!)
[18:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> aha unoffical Pibots get squished
[18:10] <- *RaTTuS|BIG* what
[18:10] <mongrelion> datagutt: check the topic :P
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[18:11] <mongrelion> yehnan: so far so good. I have just installed a couple programs, though. I'm right now compiling nodejs.
[18:11] <cornflake> yo yo
[18:11] <mongrelion> I would also like to install xbmc without having to install raspbmc distro. There is already a package on the internetz for it.
[18:11] <cornflake> what were you guys saying the fastest rpi os is right now?
[18:11] <datagutt> mongrelion: netsplit broke it??? raspberrypibot is the one who puts the logs up on srv.datagutt1.com
[18:11] <datagutt> :9
[18:12] <mongrelion> ok :$
[18:12] <mongrelion> cornflake: raspbian
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[18:12] <cornflake> k
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[18:12] <cornflake> i finally ordered mine
[18:12] <cornflake> had an invite for rs but it was like an 11 week waiting time
[18:12] <cornflake> just ordered from parnell
[18:12] <cornflake> farnell*
[18:13] <cornflake> what size sd do you recommend ?
[18:13] <cornflake> with page file considered etc
[18:13] <[SLB]> i'm using a 8gb
[18:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> 8Gb is fine - depends on what you want - get 2 or more ....
[18:14] <mongrelion> I've got a 2GB with archlinux and yesterday bought a 8Gb and put raspbian on it.
[18:14] <cornflake> right i gotcha
[18:14] <cornflake> mostly will be streaming from network so
[18:14] <cornflake> probably going to go with 8gb anyways
[18:14] <mongrelion> streaming what?
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[18:14] <cornflake> movies/music/tv
[18:14] <mongrelion> yesterday I was streaming audio through http with mpd and it wasn't that good.
[18:15] <[SLB]> you can always plug usb storage
[18:15] <cornflake> i use dlna
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[18:15] <cornflake> have a subsonic server setup as well
[18:15] <cornflake> but that's more for on the go stuff as it's on my dedi
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[18:16] <cornflake> what's the general consensus of using it as a media client?
[18:16] <skryking> dlna video streaming was really poor for me... gave up on it...
[18:16] <adalgiso> so im trying to make a deb package, having problems running dh_make, get a command not found error, but I have debhelper installed. any ideas?
[18:16] <mongrelion> cornflake: xbmc
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[18:17] <mongrelion> adalgiso: perhaps it is trying to reach the wrong<?> file on the filesystem? you may lack of a symlink or something.
[18:17] <cornflake> so dlna performance is pretty poor thing skryking?
[18:17] <cornflake> then*
[18:18] <skryking> don't know what others are seeing, but I was getting a lot more artifacting on my pi than I do on my other computers or my blueray player
[18:19] <cornflake> okay thanks for the heads up
[18:19] <cornflake> what client were you using btw?
[18:19] <skryking> xbmc
[18:20] <bertrik> cornflake, some videos play for me with raspbmc, but other don't, not sure what causes this. I think only a few video formats can be HW decoded and I don't know yet if others can be SW decoded fast enough.
[18:20] <cornflake> that's cool, i'll setup a trancoding profile for it
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[18:20] <cornflake> once i do some testing i'll get back with you guys with a report so it can be documented
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[18:21] <bertrik> I heard someone was working on real-time transcoding from mpeg-2 (not supported in HW) to mpeg-4 (supported in HW) for example, to make mpeg-2 playback possible
[18:21] <skryking> cornflake: what server are you using?
[18:21] <chris2> can anyone explain to me what the difference is between armv6l, armv6h, armv6j?
[18:22] <cornflake> Well I use a few, Serviio can work well if you setup your profiles manually, PS3 Media Servers works well, TVersity is nice, but it is not free, and Twonky, also not free, works really well
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[18:22] <cornflake> PS3 Media Server is my favorite, an offshoot of Universal Media Server
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[18:22] <skryking> I'm using mediatomb a the moment.
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[18:22] <cornflake> I've heard mixed things about mediatomb
[18:23] <skryking> it's been running stable for a couple of years without any mods to it...
[18:23] <cornflake> Never used it, I'll be sure to check it out
[18:24] <skryking> anyone know where I can find a 6" usb A B cable?
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[18:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> skryking - for micro b or normal B
[18:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> and where in the world are oyu
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[18:34] <skryking> normal B illinois, US
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[18:38] <Ben-> Hm I'm logged in as root user and I followed this guide: http://raspi.tv/2012/how-to-mount-and-use-a-usb-hard-disk-with-the-raspberry-pi ... But it always says "warning: ... seems to be mounted read-only"
[18:38] <Ben-> can anyone help?
[18:39] <Amadiro> Ben-, give "mount -o remount,rw /dev/device" a try, I guess
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[18:39] <frankivo|holiday> my guess it's ntfs or so
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[18:39] <Amadiro> I don't know what ntfs driver raspbian has, but the ntfs3g driver should mount ntfs rw by default nowadays
[18:40] <frankivo> ah
[18:40] <chithead> skryking: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812107738 not exactly cheap though
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[18:40] <frankivo> been a while since I tried :P
[18:40] <Ben-> Yes it's ntfs.
[18:40] <Ben-> Maybe it lacks ntfs 3g driver
[18:41] <Ben-> is ntfs3g the package name?
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[18:41] <skryking> hmm... wonder why it's so expensive.... I was hoping to save time on chopping a longer one down...but I don't think I want to pay that much
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[18:42] <frankivo> Ben-: yea
[18:42] <charolastra> anyone using openelec with composite video out? according to the bugtracker the scrambled screen bug should be solved but the 11718 built i tried still has the problem
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[18:43] <chithead> skryking: looks like ebay has it cheaper http://www.ebay.com/itm/230830966696
[18:43] <sraue> charolastra, it was fixed but comes back with including libCEC, a updated build with a fix will be released later this evening
[18:43] <charolastra> oh great
[18:43] <skryking> now there's a better price, thanks chithead
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[18:56] <TheFarfar> hmm, something is really strange with my powered USB hub
[18:57] <TheFarfar> no matter how i connect things I can only have 1 USB device connected to the rpi
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[18:58] <TheFarfar> it doesn't matter if I have powered plugged in to the hub or not, the rpi freezes at 2 USB devices sooner or later
[19:00] <Ionic`> well, what do you connect?
[19:02] <TheFarfar> little bit of everything tested, KB + RF dongle, KB + WiFi dongle, RF dongle + Wifi dongle
[19:02] <TheFarfar> All works when single connected
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[19:04] <scanf> i hooked up a USB transceiver + logitech k700 kb/mouse combo and only the kb works, the mouse doesnt, what gives?
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[19:08] <Ionic`> TheFarfar: KB + mouse?
[19:08] <saivert> doesn't look like the forkbomb manages to trip up the watchdog.
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[19:09] <saivert> modprobe bcm2708_wdog and then I can see /dev/watchdog so the device seem to be present. then service watchdog start.
[19:10] <TheFarfar> Ionic`: KB is USB keyboard, RF is RF remote
[19:11] <Ionic`> how about testing a KB + mouse?
[19:11] <Ionic`> instead of weird RF stuff
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[19:13] <TheFarfar> Ionic`: the point is that everything freezes when I connect a second USB device, doesn't matter what it is
[19:14] <Ionic`> TheFarfar: are you *sure*, that it doesn't matter?
[19:14] <Ionic`> that's what I want to find out
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[19:16] <rvl> when trying to compile a basic mysql script I get the following error when trying to include the mysql library i get the following error http://pastebin.com/trCqkdg5
[19:16] <Ionic`> "trying to compile a basic mysql script" dafuq I just read?
[19:17] <mongrelion> lol I know that feeling bro
[19:17] <Ionic`> lol the cflags are totally messed up
[19:17] <Ionic`> -fomit-frame-pointer and -g *facepalm*
[19:18] <[SLB]> no reason to be mean?
[19:18] <rvl> it's a clean install of the mysql package
[19:18] <Ionic`> I'm not mean
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[19:18] <TheFarfar> Ionic`: 1 of 2 mice worked at the same time as the KB
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[19:19] <Ionic`> TheFarfar: aha, so more than one device is working
[19:19] <Ionic`> are you sure the hub is powered?
[19:19] <Ionic`> I really suspect power issues
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[19:21] <TheFarfar> Ionic`: yes it is powered and I also suspect power issues. It's a D-link DUB-H4, 2A psu
[19:22] <Husky> is it possible a powered usb hub does not work with the rasp pi?
[19:22] <TheFarfar> I connected a SD card reader with sd card, working as well =S
[19:23] <TheFarfar> that didn't work before
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[19:27] <rvl> any idea on how to fix the mysql_config --cflags --libs problem.
[19:27] <rvl> ?
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[19:32] <TheFarfar> hmm, problem seem to be rf related after all
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[19:43] <TheFarfar> if I disable the onboard eth0 I can use both my WiFi dongle and RF or KB...
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[19:49] <Ionic`> TheFarfar: the network nic is connected to USB
[19:49] <j3> can someone point me to a howto for pairing my bluetooth keyboard? cant find a decent one that teaches me :>
[19:49] <j3> i am able to find my keyboard and its mac
[19:49] <j3> but im stuck with how to pair
[19:49] <j3> most tutorials wanz bluez or bt-adapter
[19:50] <j3> and my pi doesnt know those
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[19:57] <TheFarfar> Ionic`: any clue as to why this happens?
[19:57] <Ionic`> TheFarfar: nope, sorry, but the nic is connected to usb so who knows
[19:59] <Ionic`> Husky: there are known working and not-working hubs
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[20:00] <Ionic`> TheFarfar: DUB-H4 is listed as working in the wiki *shrug*
[20:00] <Ionic`> however, only with kb, mouse and thumb drive connected
[20:01] <scanf> are there any cases for multiple raspberry pis?
[20:01] <scanf> like a rackmount case you could put 32 in or something?
[20:01] * Hodapp looks at scanf
[20:02] * cornflake looks at Hodapp
[20:02] <Hodapp> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/01/hp_redstone_calxeda_servers/
[20:02] <Hodapp> maybe try something like that instead
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[20:05] <scanf> i ask for a case recommendation and you reply with a $1.1m supercomputer chassis
[20:05] <scanf> gee thanks
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> evening pi peeps.
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[20:08] <scanf> has anyone had any luck with a hypervisor on a raspberry pi?
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[20:10] <Hodapp> scanf: a hypervisor _on_ one?
[20:11] <scanf> yes
[20:11] <scanf> xen is now working on arm6/arm7
[20:12] <scanf> probably not arm11 yet tho id imagine
[20:12] <Hodapp> but what are you reasonably hoping to be able to virtualize on ARM?
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[20:12] <scanf> that isnt part of my question
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> LXC will work on a Pi. However it's a "soft" type of virtualisation though.
[20:13] <scanf> yeah, containers dont really do much for me
[20:13] <scanf> interesting tho
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> I used them extensively, but I have a lot of control over the environment.
[20:13] <scanf> like, by owning an RPI? :)
[20:13] <Hodapp> scanf: but I'm asking anyway.
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[20:18] <Hodapp> scanf: are you looking for a hypervisor for the sake of a hypervisor, or did you have particular virtualization goals in mind?
[20:18] <saivert> just added load testing for the watchdog service now and now my Pi reboots when I run a forkbomb
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[20:20] <scanf> Hodapp: both
[20:20] <scanf> but it doesnt seem like there is any full blown virtualization support atm
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> sorry - been elsewhere - I'm not using LXC on Pi's - yet, but I will use it when I want to run Debian Squeeze and Raspbian on the same Pi.
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[20:22] <scanf> gordonDrogon: ive been disappointed with LXC thus far (specifically from a security standpoint) and am still using openvz in most deployments
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> I have about 60 of the live over a handful of servers..
[20:24] <rvl> just a stupid question but how is it possible that a simple printf() does not output to command line
[20:25] <BCMM> rvl: is the program crashing? printf does not always work instantly
[20:25] <w0m> redirecting output stream
[20:25] <rvl> as w0m said, I think I have to redirect the output stream
[20:25] <BCMM> i mean, if a program segfaults right after printf, it might not actually flush it all to stdout
[20:26] <scanf> gordonDrogon: im in the same boat except using openvz and using HA pairs
[20:26] <rvl> now Im about to figure out how to do that :)
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> scanf, yea, I can control the instances though - I don't let people have root access for example - for me it's really more of a management tool and for that it's working fine.
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[20:28] <gordonDrogon> rvl, you shouldn't have to redirect to make printf work - it should "just work"...
[20:28] <cjbaird> chroot gets me the multiple-system-personalities thing here..
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> cjbaird, lxc is sort of like a "super chroot" type environment.
[20:33] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: does LXC require any kernel patches or anything?
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> openvz too, I guess.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, no - it's supported natively in the kernel
[20:35] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: ah, nice
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> although you may have to actually compile a kernel/load the modules, etc. to support it.
[20:36] <Hodapp> but it's part of the mainline kernel?
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> that was one reason I chose it over openvz when I was looking for a solution at the time.
[20:36] <scanf> gordonDrogon: oh really? well any of your users can execute arbitrary code on the host using a hole in sysfs, if you have it set to defaults
[20:36] <scanf> :)
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, yes, mainline. since the mod 2.6's ...
[20:36] <Hodapp> cool
[20:36] <scanf> openvz doesnt have said hole, which is why i use it still
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> scanf, yea, I'm fully aware of it's limitations and what the naysayers say about it
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> scanf, as I said, I have a carefully controlled environment.
[20:37] <ziltro2> Do they say 'nay!'?
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> yae :)
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[20:37] <Hodapp> scanf: any links to this sysfs hole?
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[20:38] <scanf> Hodapp: http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_413
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[20:38] <rvl> gordonDrogon, how could it be than that it isn't working (I get no warnings/errors on compilation)
[20:38] <rvl> removed everything to just have a simple printf()
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> rvl got a post of your code?
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> rvl or just copy the printf line here..
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[20:38] <w0m> Random; but best method of getting sound out of rasbpi to a pair of standalone bookshelves? Video to an older dvi monitor
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[20:38] <rvl> well I just do a simple printf("init db connection");
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> rvl, well that ought to work ok. sure you're actually running the program? (it's not being shadowed by a system program or something? )
[20:38] <w0m> Considering two options; curious if i'm missing anything: 1:)usb dac into rasbpi; dac lineout to bookshelves (worried about saturating usb bus here); or 2:) rasbpi hdmi->reciever; split audio/video there and one to tv one to bookshelves (overkil/waste of receiver?)
[20:38] <rvl> I compiled it gcc -Wall -o test testfile.c
[20:38] <rvl> and than ran it
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> rcl with ./test or just test
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> test is a built-in command...
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> to run your code, type ./test
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[20:38] <rvl> owkey now I'm feeling more stupid :)
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[20:40] <gordonDrogon> :)
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> easy mistake to make.
[20:40] <ziltro2> 'which test' is useful.
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> especially if new to the command-line.
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[20:41] <rvl> db connection now works
[20:41] <rvl> thanks for the help gordonDrogon
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[20:43] <gordonDrogon> brb more T required.
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[20:48] <gordonDrogon> tea acquisition complete.
[20:49] <ziltro2> Now beginning temperature-based delay stage?
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[20:51] <gordonDrogon> I find that with strong enough tea and a hearly dose of milk, it's more or less OK to go ...
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> er, healthy.
[20:51] <ziltro2> Ah maybe, I tend to find that only if the milk had ice in... :)
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[20:53] <gordonDrogon> heh... keep it in the fridge @ 4C.
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> nice raw milk.
[20:54] <ziltro2> That's actually what my fridge is set to...
[20:54] <ziltro2> But I tend to keep more in the freezer.
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> frozen milk is somewhat challenging to use in tea...
[20:54] <ziltro2> No more than sugar lumps if you cut it up beforehand. ;)
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[20:55] <ziltro2> Not that I do. I leave it to defrost first... But that does take an awefully long time sometimes.
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> Hm. the cream floats the the top too.
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> so frozen cream and frozen skimmed milk...
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> in the same bottle...
[20:55] <ziltro2> I think I'd noticed that the cream defrosts first, which is issuesome.
[20:56] <ziltro2> But I hadn't noticed it going to the top
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> you probably have homogenised milk.
[20:56] <ziltro2> I believe so
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> I have raw unprocessed milk.
[20:57] <ziltro2> I wonder if frozen milk cubes would make a totally automated tea making machine easier to clean
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[20:57] <ziltro2> And a cow?
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> no - the farmer has those.
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/sourdough.jpg
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> picture of the milk bottle in that.
[21:00] <ziltro2> Nice health warning there
[21:00] <ziltro2> Warning: Milk might kill you OMG!
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[21:01] <ziltro2> Perhaps it should also say "Open bottle by removing foil top, do not open by breaking bottle on head"
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> no known cases of any health issues causd by raw milk in the uk in the past 20 years IIRC, yet they're trying to ban it.
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[21:02] <w0m> They do the same stateside
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> because the people who own the mega dairy processing plants lose 0.0001% of their income, so they lobby to have it banned or restricted.
[21:02] <ziltro2> They should definatly ban milk. That totally makes sense.
[21:02] <w0m> For making hard apple sider; it's actaully difficult to get untreated cider; have to sign waivers/etc
[21:02] <ziltro2> Perhaps ban cows too
[21:03] <w0m> (fermenting it yourself i mean; pouring vodka in is cheating)
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> w0m, Heh... "hard" cider is just cider in the UK ... unfermented apple juice is ... apple juice ...
[21:03] <ziltro2> "I promise not to use this for the other purpose"?
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> w0m, pouring vodka in doesn't ferment apple juice...
[21:03] <ziltro2> It might have a similar affect on the drinker though
[21:04] <w0m> As in; making it "hard" by adding alcohal rather than fermentation
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> but not taste anywhere like cider!
[21:04] <ziltro2> I thought cider == alcoholic?
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> you make cider by crushing apples and .... just leaving it.
[21:04] <ziltro2> Ban apples!
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> ziltro2, in the UK (and possibly europe) in the US it's apple juice...
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> hence "hard" cider ...
[21:04] <w0m> stateside; cider is generally just spiced apple juice i guess; most isn't hard
[21:04] <ziltro2> Interesting... I'm sure I've had apple juice over there
[21:05] <ziltro2> And lemonade which isn't fixxy, which is delicious.
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> I was thoroughly dissapointed when in the US and asked for cider...
[21:05] <ziltro2> or fizzy.
[21:05] <ziltro2> We got quite used to asking the waitresses to describe any food we hadn't had there before to see if it was what we were expecting. :)
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[21:06] <w0m> my biggest problem with europe is water. No i don't want gas; and please not room temperature.
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I ask for tap water all the time...
[21:06] <w0m> After a 3 week trip; first thing I did when I got home was chug ice water.
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> don't like ice water.
[21:06] <ziltro2> Oh I enjoyed the crushed ice machine in Florida.
[21:07] <w0m> It's almost like ice doesnt' exist in europe (at least as i've seen)
[21:07] <ziltro2> It was like eating water.
[21:07] <w0m> damn "efficiency"
[21:08] <ziltro2> I don't think ice making machines are very common.
[21:08] <ziltro2> But there's a lot of frozen stuff.
[21:08] <ziltro2> And a lot of water.
[21:09] <ziltro2> So you'd think the two could be combined easily
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[21:11] <gordonDrogon> it's common in the UK to be asked if you want ice and a slice (of lemon) in a glass of water...
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[21:11] <ziltro2> Ah maybe. I don't go out so I wouldn't know.
[21:11] <ziltro2> I wouldn't want lemon though.
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> you don't have to have it!
[21:12] <w0m> I haven't been to the uk; mostly germany/france/itally/eastern
[21:12] <ziltro2> Lucky you. :p
[21:12] <w0m> + side is gelato is amazing; and that covers the "too hot" fairly well
[21:13] <w0m> (rome had best water ever though; fountains of cool/cold potable water on every street corner, was wonderful on a hot day)
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[21:15] <ziltro2> Mmm the UK doesn't seem to have the concept of drinking fountains.
[21:16] <ziltro2> Actually I do know where two were, but they have probably been removed now.
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> too many people urinate in them...
[21:16] <ziltro2> They might be used by terrorists I assume.
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> let's face it - *I* am not drinking from any public fountian...
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> anyway, it rains all the time here - just look up and open your mouth...
[21:17] <ziltro2> I've tried that, it doesn't work that well.
[21:17] <ziltro2> Although eating snow is delicious.
[21:18] <ziltro2> Or is that drinking? I don't know.
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[21:18] <gordonDrogon> don't eat yellow snow ..
[21:19] <mongrelion> any suggestions for a console emulator? like for (s)nes?
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[21:23] <auska> Hi! I've just started for the first time my raspberry pi, and when I ran rasp-config I saw the option "overscan" can someone gime some information about this? What's this opition?
[21:23] <CyBaH> did u try google?
[21:23] <ziltro2> It is to compensate for overscan on TVs, mostly when using the composite video output.
[21:24] <auska> CyBaH, yes, but I didn't really understand what I found...
[21:25] <CyBaH> ok well ziltro2 answered it allready :) has to do with the composite settings.
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[21:25] <ziltro2> If you can see the whole screen on your TV/monitor without there being a huge border, then you don't need to tweak it. :)
[21:27] <auska> ziltro2, perfect, thanks! ;)
[21:28] <ziltro2> Old TVs (and apparently new ones too) used to take the incomping picture, then throw away the edges.
[21:28] <virunga> how is the internet navigation with the pi?
[21:28] <ziltro2> Or at least not display them. :)
[21:28] <virunga> very slow? Or acceptable?
[21:29] <ziltro2> Internet or web sites?
[21:29] <ziltro2> Internet seems fine.
[21:29] <virunga> yes, web sites
[21:29] <ziltro2> Web sites I haven't used much.
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[21:30] <virunga> i'd like do two things with it: navigating online and viewing films
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[21:30] <ziltro2> If they are MPEG4 films that should be fine.
[21:31] <virunga> ziltro2: is mkv mpeg4? i don't know video formats
[21:31] <ziltro2> Someone else might know about web sites. I only tried one browser and only for a short period.
[21:31] <ziltro2> virunga: Video formats are complicated. ;) MKV is a container format. A container contains one or more video, audio or subtitles stream. If the video stream is MPEG4 then it is okay.
[21:32] <ziltro2> Most audio formats will work.
[21:32] <virunga> ziltro2: uh, thanks
[21:32] <ziltro2> There are tools to find out what codecs are used.
[21:32] <ziltro2> 'avprobe' is one. VLC has a dialogue to show codec information.
[21:32] <virunga> ziltro2: what web browser did you use?
[21:32] <virunga> midori?
[21:33] <ziltro2> virunga: The Raspbian default, I forget which one that was... :)
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[21:34] <mongrelion> ziltro2: midori.
[21:34] <virunga> mongrelion: do you own a raspberry pi?
[21:34] <ziltro2> I think I also used elinks...
[21:35] <mongrelion> virunga: yep.
[21:35] <virunga> mongrelion: could you tell me how slow (or fast) is the web navigation?
[21:36] <mongrelion> I haven't tried that out yet, my friend, but if you give me a couple minutes, I can give you a brief answer.
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[21:36] <zgreg> I'll never understand why people want to use wxwidgets on the pi
[21:36] <[SLB]> i tried chrome, feels decent, but haven't timed it
[21:36] <mongrelion> [SLB]: where did you get it? or did you compile it?
[21:37] <[SLB]> here http://hexxeh.net/?p=328117859
[21:37] <virunga> mongrelion: thanks :)
[21:38] <[SLB]> it downloaded 2 or 3 very small dependencies and chrome is just hold in /opt so it's not messing around
[21:39] <mongrelion> can't find midori's url bar
[21:39] <[SLB]> me neither lol
[21:39] <virunga> XD
[21:39] <mongrelion> nice to know I'm not alone :)
[21:39] <mongrelion> xD
[21:39] <ziltro2> That might be why I didn't try it... ;)
[21:39] <ziltro2> File/Open?
[21:40] <[SLB]> and that's also why i jumped straight to chrome :3
[21:40] <[SLB]> here thought midori is showing the url bar, let me check
[21:41] <[SLB]> here = fedora
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[21:41] <mongrelion> file/open not for it.
[21:42] <[SLB]> hm, right click on the menu bar?
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[21:46] <mongrelion> oh
[21:46] <mongrelion> it seems like I have to maximize the window in order to make the other controls to appear. I'm using awesome.
[21:46] <virunga> lol
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[21:47] <gundeeli> hey guys :)
[21:47] <mongrelion> ey
[21:47] <gundeeli> heard android is coming to pi
[21:48] <virunga> yep
[21:48] <mongrelion> virunga: internet connection is ok but rpi is a little slow because I'm currently compiling nodejs.
[21:49] <virunga> mongrelion: cool, thanks for the feedback
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[21:49] <mongrelion> there facebook is.
[21:49] <gundeeli> I havent ordered my pi yet gotta know it's stable I tend to wait 2 years
[21:50] <virunga> mongrelion: are you gonna make pi a server?
[21:50] <virunga> (i hope the english is ok :P)
[21:50] <mongrelion> espa??ol?
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[21:53] <cjbaird> "install gentoo!" ... http://i.imgur.com/QqRlD.jpg
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[21:54] <[SLB]> hm is there an undo command or something for apt-get? i know i can read the install log, but if i install something and gets hundreds of deps, would i be able to revert it back with a single command?
[21:54] <nickermire> So I'm sure it's a big no... but will mpeg2 ever come?
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[21:54] <mongrelion> virunga: the idea was to make a mysql/redis server of it but it seems like I'm asking too much. For now I'm just doing some tests.
[21:54] <plugwash> nickermire, the truth is noone really knows
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[21:54] <TheFarfar> has anyone run XBian via hdmi receiver? I can't seem to get any sound in XBMC although I can play sound from cli with aplay
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[21:55] <nickermire> I can dream I suppose
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[21:55] <stefanBA> Hello!
[21:55] <plugwash> the foundation may come to some arrangement to license the codec for the Pi. Also someone may come up with a way to implement it through opengl es
[21:55] <nickermire> IT's just so quiet next to my tv
[21:55] <nickermire> I love it
[21:55] <plugwash> finally eventually the patents on mpeg 2 will expire
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[21:56] <bertrik> nickermire, I heard someone is working on a real-time transcoder from mpeg-2 to mpeg-4 so it can play HW accelerated
[21:56] <nickermire> hmmm
[21:56] <plugwash> yeah, that is another possible approach
[21:56] <mjr> without knowing much about it, the transcoding seems most plausible. And that's not saying much.
[21:56] <plugwash> oh and there are also people trying to reverse engineer the GPU
[21:56] <nickermire> I can wait
[21:56] <nickermire> :)
[21:57] <mjr> I doubt it'll play mpeg2 usably in its useful life time
[21:57] <cjbaird> [SLB]: remove the installed package, and then apt-get autoremove to nuke the automatically-added deps.
[21:57] <Exposure> can't get my rtl8192cu wlan device to work on raspbian :(
[21:57] <nickermire> Maybe I'll make something else with it in the meantime
[21:57] <[SLB]> oh, thanks cjbaird
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> mongrelion, I compield & ran mysql on a Pi recently - was a bit slow, but it worked..
[21:57] <bertrik> another route to mpeg-2 playback is to investigate if the optimised implementation from rockbox (alternative mp3 firmware) can be ported
[21:57] <TheFarfar> Exposure: from what I've tested so far there seems to be some issues with the built-in USB-hub
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[21:58] <TheFarfar> I can only connect the wifi dongle via USB, nothing else at the same time
[21:58] <TheFarfar> if I disable onboard LAN then it works better
[21:58] <nickermire> bertrik: that's a bit past my patience and ability
[21:58] <Exposure> TheFarfar: there're countless forum posts with links to alternative drivers but none work on my wheezy image (symbol errors)
[21:58] <gundeeli> that sux thefarfar
[21:59] <TheFarfar> Exposure: try to boot it with only the wifi dongle connected
[21:59] <Exposure> most usb devices draw >100ma current
[21:59] <Exposure> isn't that your problem?
[21:59] <stefanBA> Hi gordonDrogon, did you already use the I2C of RasPi?
[21:59] <TheFarfar> gundeeli: it's not only the wifi dongle that's got problems
[22:00] <Exposure> i see my device is detected when i insert it but the driver isn't loaded and when i load the stock rtl8192cu driver i don't get a wlan0 device
[22:00] <TheFarfar> Exposure: no, I have a powered USB hub, the problem exists when I connect a RF receiver as well (<100mA)
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[22:00] <Exposure> hmm would be a shame if its an issue with the onboard hub itself :(
[22:00] <gundeeli> i bet, the hardware is the price it is for a reason but it still generated tons of interest in single board computers
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[22:01] <TheFarfar> If I connect wifi+kb, ping goes up to >1000ms and evetually the system freezes
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[22:02] <TheFarfar> I read a forum post where someone described how they had removed the onboard USB hub and connected directly to a powered hub. Then everything worked as expected (wifi, kb, mouse, bt)
[22:02] <Exposure> how would you connect a powered hub though if the onboard hub is gone? =)
[22:02] <plugwash> I think it's more likely the host controller that has the problem than the hub
[22:03] <TheFarfar> Exposure: solder directly to the SoC
[22:03] <bertrik> this (rather long) thread has some info on the progress on mpeg-2: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=5641
[22:03] <plugwash> since the Pi seems to have far more USB problems than other devices that use the same USB hub with ethernet chip
[22:03] <TheFarfar> plugwash: that's the one I meant. It's a separate chip
[22:04] <plugwash> I know and it's also used on various other embedded linux boards
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[22:04] <plugwash> yet the Pi seems to be having more than it's fair share of problems with it
[22:04] <plugwash> Exposure, there are two links that can be fitted to connect one of the USB ports directly to the SOC
[22:04] <TheFarfar> maybe it just doesn't play nice with the broadcom SoC
[22:04] <plugwash> how else do you think the model A works
[22:05] <Exposure> ah i see
[22:06] <TheFarfar> There should have been a Raspberry Pi AB model, an A model with 256MB RAM..
[22:07] <Exposure> cfg80211: Calling CRDA to update world regulatory domain
[22:07] <mjr> The A model is the A model with 256MB RAM
[22:07] <Exposure> thats all i get.. but it does give me some confidence that usb isn't the issue here
[22:07] <TheFarfar> it is? I thought the A model came with 128MB
[22:07] <mjr> (despite early intents)
[22:07] <plugwash> TheFarfar, aren't you following RPi news, they scrapped the idea of putting less ram on the model A ages ago
[22:07] <TheFarfar> plugwash: no I'm very out-of-date as it seems =P
[22:09] <TheFarfar> I think I will have to order the A model..
[22:09] <plugwash> unfortunately they still haven't released it :(
[22:10] <Exposure> i would pay extra for a c model with onboard wifi
[22:10] <[SLB]> and 512mb of ram :3
[22:11] <mjr> bertrik, okay, that gives cause to revise the estimate of the 2->4 conversion workability somewhat :)
[22:11] <muep> there are such boards already which cost more than the RPi, though
[22:11] <Exposure> 4gb ssd <3
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[22:12] <gordonDrogon> stefanBA, Hi - not yet. Been using SPI though - I2C is next on my list - need to find something I2C to talk to first!
[22:12] <bertrik> I'm considering getting the mini2440 board, you can find this board + display + touchscreen for about $100 on ebay
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[22:12] <stefanBA> gordonDrogon, hm I see - I'm asking because I mean to have detected a problem with it during the weekend
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[22:13] <stefanBA> now I#m searching for someone who used it already
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> stefanBA, ok. I'm about to order one of the GPIO epanders that use I2C...
[22:13] <InControl> gordonDrogon: get one of these http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/interface-development-kits/0402049/?searchTerm=microchip+i2c+board&relevancy-data=636F3D3226696E3D4931384E44656661756C74266C753D656E266D6D3D6D61746368616C6C7061727469616C26706D3D5E285C772B5B2D5C2E5C732F5D292B285C772B293F2426706F3D3926736E3D592673743D4B4559574F52445F4D554C54495F414C5048415F4E554D45524943267573743D6D6963726F636869702069326320626F6172642673633D5926776
[22:13] <InControl> 33D4E4F4E4526
[22:13] <bertrik> gordonDrogon, perhaps you can read something from the edid from a monitor (those are i2c too, right?)
[22:13] <stefanBA> In case you are interested: I think there is a problem with clock stretching by the I2C slave
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> make a model A by buying a model B and unsoldering the USB chip...
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[22:14] <Gallomimia> quick remind me what's the default password on raspbian?
[22:14] <Exposure> is there a tutorial for that conversion?
[22:14] <stefanBA> gordonDrogon, I guess GPIO expanders and EEPROMS will not use the clock stretching feature...
[22:14] <gordonDrogon> InControl, Hm. neat little experimentor board.
[22:14] <Lasse^> Gallomimia username: pi password: raspberry ?
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[22:14] <gordonDrogon> bertrik, I've really no idea about that, sorry.
[22:14] <Gallomimia> yes thanks
[22:15] <gordonDrogon> stefanBA, I doubt it - simple send command bytes, read data byte back...
[22:15] <plugwash> stefanBA, yeah some masters don't like slaves that clock stretch, in general the only slaves that clock stretch are microcontrollers that need the time to work out what they are being asked to do in software
[22:15] <stefanBA> so what's the proper way of asking for support? post on the forum?
[22:16] <stefanBA> plugwash, correct, my slave is an atmega8
[22:16] <plugwash> I think hardware slaves almost never clock-stretch
[22:16] <InControl> or a little I2C accelerometer like this http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/modules/mma7455-accelerometer-module.html
[22:16] <stefanBA> plugwash, the BCM datasheet says clock-stretching is supported...
[22:16] <stefanBA> but the waveform on the scope are just plain broken
[22:17] <InControl> then you could make a wii style game
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> I have some I2C hardware on my ArduPilotMega board. The compass is I2C I think.
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[23:00] <sparr> What is the maximum speed for the UART? I see examples online of running it at 1Mbps with a 16MHz UART Clock, but can't find any reference to how high it can go.
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> try it and see :)
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> I suspect the hardware might be able to clock data out at those high speeds, but will it keep up with data coming in? Who knows.
[23:03] <sparr> I'm only sending data out for now, but I don't see any reason it couldn't keep up with data coming in.
[23:03] <sparr> The actual cpu is much faster, it could easily handle 1MHz incoming data
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[23:06] <sparr> you'd have hundreds of cycles to catch a serial data interrupt and handle a received byte before the 9th bit arrives
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[23:07] <gordonDrogon> at 1M baud, you're looking at 100,000 interrupts/second. Although hopefully less with a FIFO in the UART hardware.
[23:09] <zgreg> the "low-speed" UART has 8 bytes of FIFO
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[23:10] <zgreg> so about 12500 IRQs per second - should be doable
[23:11] <zgreg> considering that the USB driver does 8000 IRQs per second just fine
[23:12] <rgh> 'just fine'? Not servicing interrupts fast enough is the root of the usb problems, isn't it?
[23:12] <zgreg> no
[23:13] * rgh read the elephant in the room thread and came away with that impression
[23:13] <zgreg> or well, the problem isn't the IRQ rate, but that other kernel tasks (like the SDHCI driver) do Bad Things like busy-waiting
[23:13] <zgreg> in the worst case, the SDHCI driver hogs the CPU with interrupts disabled for hundreds of milliseconds
[23:14] <sparr> I wouldn't plan to run the linux kernel alongside 1MHz serial input
[23:14] <rgh> I doubt you'd be able to receive at 1M baud reliably for the same reason
[23:14] <sparr> 100k interrupts per second should be pretty doable on a 700MHz processor
[23:14] <zgreg> rgh: without that issue fixed that will cause problems, yes
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[23:15] <zgreg> rgh: it even causes problems a 115200 baud
[23:15] <zgreg> and USB problems, and so on
[23:15] <sparr> aha!
[23:15] <sparr> found the specs
[23:15] <zgreg> a kernel driver should simply never do what the SDHCI driver does at the moment
[23:15] <rgh> hundreds of milliseconds.. will cause problems at 300 baud probably ;)
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[23:15] <sparr> the UART can run at 32Mbps
[23:17] <bertrik> zgreg, do you know if there are any plans to fix this? Is the source open?
[23:18] <zgreg> bertrik: yes, the source is open
[23:18] <bertrik> we should be able to fix that then
[23:18] <sparr> but, like I said, I'm just sending data now
[23:18] <sparr> so I'm quite happy to run my code alongside linux :)
[23:18] <bertrik> BTW, I'm doing 320k interrupts on a 70 MHz NXP LPC2148 (ARM) :)
[23:18] <zgreg> there's a hack in the current SDHCI driver to disable the busy-waiting, but that does not work out for everyone
[23:19] <rgh> at 1M baud and an 8 byte fifo you are going to have to service an interrupt every 80us or so just to keep the tx fifo full, and you'll have to service within 10us, which is probably not possible anyway
[23:19] <sparr> bertrik: yeah, I'm not scared of high frequency interrupts
[23:19] <sparr> rgh: why isn't it possible?
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[23:19] <zgreg> add sdhci-bcm2708.missing_status=0 to the kernel commandline
[23:19] <rgh> sparr: because the overhead of running an ISR is probably > 10us
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> bertrik, I suspect your 70MHz ARM isn't running Linux...
[23:20] <sparr> rgh: that seems silly
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[23:21] <zgreg> I think you can configure at what FIFO fill the IRQ fires
[23:21] <sparr> rgh: 10us is 7000 cycles. if jumping into an interrupt takes that long, something is very very wrong
[23:21] <zgreg> but I also doubt it takes that long to handle an IRQ
[23:21] <rgh> sparr: 8000 ints per sec from the usb is supposed to use about 20% of the cpu, iirc. that's 20% of 125us per interrupt, thats > 10us
[23:22] <sparr> rgh: I strongly suspect there is overhead there unrelated to the ISR
[23:23] <zgreg> rgh: it doesn't take that much CPU in most cases (benchmark yourself)
[23:23] <zgreg> I generally found it to consume 10%
[23:23] <zgreg> often a bit less
[23:23] <[SLB]> if i lower the clock, say to 500mhz (if that's even possible) do i expect also a less power consumption?
[23:23] <rgh> regardless, interrupts get blocked for > a few microseconds and you can't service your 1M baud uart.
[23:23] <zgreg> it's slower if there is interaction with the GPU, but that's a separate issue I guess
[23:23] * rgh goes back to working on panalyzer
[23:24] <sparr> [SLB]: lower yes, but not linearly lower
[23:24] <sparr> rgh: I wouldn't be doing anything to block the interrupts
[23:24] <[SLB]> thanks sparr
[23:24] <zgreg> [SLB]: not worth the effort, unless you also undervolt
[23:24] <techsurvivor> only way to know how much is to look at current and voltage at each speed
[23:24] <[SLB]> ah okai
[23:25] <zgreg> the real power hog is the SMSC9512 :)
[23:25] <techsurvivor> it will use less, but probably not significantly less
[23:25] <techsurvivor> i was wondering which chip used the most power
[23:25] <[SLB]> i see eheh
[23:25] <zgreg> the SMSC9512 has lousy power management IIRC
[23:26] <techsurvivor> if the cpu uses only say 20% and you lower power consumption on it by say 30% you are lowering over all by 20% * 0.30 or 6%, just as an example heh
[23:26] <zgreg> maybe it'd be worthwile to do dynamic frequency scaling
[23:27] <Gallomimia> hm. compiling quake on a pi
[23:27] <zgreg> and voltage scaling, too
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[23:27] <techsurvivor> does the cpu let you switch on the fly like pc chips?
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[23:27] <Gallomimia> i've never understood why any benefit would come from changing the voltage of a chip. the junctions of the transistors inside operate at a certain voltage and thats that.
[23:28] <zgreg> techsurvivor: I'm sure it's possible, but that requires work on the firmware...
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[23:28] <Gallomimia> overvolting or undervolting, can't that only cause problems?
[23:28] <techsurvivor> i was just curious
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[23:28] <techsurvivor> no
[23:28] <techsurvivor> you can undervolt to a certain point
[23:28] <Gallomimia> and why would one do so
[23:28] <zgreg> Gallomimia: because power consumption is a (approximately) a quadratic function
[23:28] <techsurvivor> the trade of is switching speed
[23:28] <Gallomimia> oh
[23:28] <zgreg> Gallomimia: of voltage
[23:28] <techsurvivor> transistors tend to switch fast (a given transistor) at higher voltages
[23:28] <techsurvivor> faster*
[23:28] <InControl> if you increase the frequency of switching you need to increase the voltage to compensate
[23:29] <techsurvivor> it lets you overcome gate capacitance (among other things) faster
[23:29] <Gallomimia> but... if you bleed off frequency you need to cut voltage?
[23:29] <Gallomimia> interesting.
[23:29] <techsurvivor> you can of course go too high :)
[23:29] <Gallomimia> yes i've only studied really slow switching gates so far
[23:29] <techsurvivor> and blow the gates
[23:29] <Gallomimia> heh. yeah. fun times
[23:29] <zgreg> you don't need to reduce voltage at lower frequencies, but it's beneficial for power consumption :)
[23:30] <bertrik> you can consider the gates of transistors in a digital chip as little capacitors, which each can store an energy of 1/2 * C * V^2
[23:30] <Gallomimia> well, you might if you had boosted the voltage for turbo frequencies
[23:30] <techsurvivor> like most engineering problems it's about trade offs and no absolutes, except absolute max/min ratings ;)
[23:30] <Gallomimia> put the voltage back down lest ye blow the gates from having the voltage too high for standard frequencies?
[23:31] <bertrik> So, if you switch faster, you charge/discharge this energy faster, so it's approximately linear with frequency. Also the V^2 shows a quadratic dependency on voltage
[23:31] <zgreg> the best strategy for redocuning power consumption with modern CPUs is to make use of very low power consumption deep sleep modes, though
[23:31] <zgreg> i.e. clock the CPU right up to the higest power state, do the work, and afterwards instantly go back to deep sleep
[23:31] <Gallomimia> for 25 ms or so?
[23:32] <techsurvivor> turning off parts of the chip that aren't being used :) . if you aren't using the fpu, turn it off etc
[23:32] <zgreg> modern CPUs can do power-gating, that is, they completely switch off power to some parts of the chip
[23:32] <techsurvivor> eggzactly
[23:32] <Gallomimia> pretty much comes down to "why? because they can"
[23:32] <Gallomimia> didn't need to so many years ago
[23:32] <Gallomimia> but with power savings comes cooler operation
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[23:33] <techsurvivor> yeah, it's the transistor density increase that's causing the heat problems
[23:33] <ziltro2> And lower electricity bills?
[23:33] <Gallomimia> i've wondered how well my RPi will fare with no cooling mechanism on the chip?
[23:33] <techsurvivor> that's why we stopped around 4GHz :)
[23:33] <zgreg> Gallomimia: just as good as with cooling
[23:33] <techsurvivor> more cores, look that way blue kangaroo, there are no problems here!
[23:33] <Gallomimia> there'll be no issues on leaving it go with full cpu usage after being on for days and days?
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> I have a 3-core CPU and my desktop has 3 CPU meters on it... most of the time they're at 800MHz but about once a second Firefox does something that causes one to spike to 2.1GHz... quite intersting to watch and quite irritating that FF is being such a hog!
[23:34] <zgreg> Gallomimia: there shouldn't be. AFAIK the die is specified to work well up to 90??C or so
[23:34] <techsurvivor> why waste CPU though, you need that web page 30 milliseconds faster :P , and it was probably flash heh
[23:34] <Gallomimia> is there a sensor that i can view?
[23:35] <zgreg> probably, but it's not accessible
[23:35] <zgreg> not yet at least
[23:35] <Gallomimia> low priority really
[23:35] <zgreg> do the finger test
[23:35] <zgreg> touch the chip, if you instanly burn your finger, it's probably too hot
[23:35] <Gallomimia> but what if we have people using them in places like brazil with no a/c and lots of hot humid weather?
[23:35] <Gallomimia> yeah i don't burn my finger on things way hotter than 90c tho :/
[23:35] <techsurvivor> yeah, i let mine run 2 hours last night with "stress" program and the max termp i found on the board was 45C lol
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> they'll have more problems with insects and mould if they let it get damp..
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[23:36] <Gallomimia> not a good test for an electrician
[23:36] <zgreg> Gallomimia: dom said the chips are tested in an oven at 70??C or something
[23:36] <Gallomimia> well alright then. how do i overclock this beast?
[23:36] <Gallomimia> haha just kidding
[23:37] <zgreg> if you fell better, glue a piece of scrap metal to the SoC :)
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> why? I'm overclocking mine...
[23:37] <techsurvivor> that was overclocked to 1GHz
[23:37] <zgreg> *feel
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> most people are...
[23:37] <zgreg> yeah
[23:37] <Gallomimia> hm. good idea. let's go find some aluminium
[23:37] <techsurvivor> i've found you have to have a GOOD power supply to overclock
[23:37] <Gallomimia> or copper :D
[23:37] <zgreg> rumor has it the actual stock frequency of the BCM2835 is 800 MHz anyway
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[23:37] <Gallomimia> it is yeah i remember hearing something about it being underclocked on the pi
[23:37] <zgreg> and many people can get it up to 900 MHz without increasing the voltage
[23:38] <techsurvivor> kids using it to learn programming and build hello world in python don't need that much speed :)
[23:38] <Gallomimia> well, that's not that much of an increase
[23:38] <zgreg> and with a voltage bump, most run fine a 1 GHz
[23:38] <Gallomimia> yeah
[23:38] <Gallomimia> even a game like quake3 is only taking an hour?
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[23:38] <techsurvivor> i hat to use 3 on the overvoltage to keep mine stable at 1GHz, haven't tried any other board yet
[23:38] <Gallomimia> who cares about long compiles
[23:38] <zgreg> despite the overclocking there's not much extra heat generated
[23:39] <zgreg> so, overclocking is a pretty safe deal on the pi
[23:39] <techsurvivor> like i said i think i saw 45C max on my IR thermometer
[23:39] <Gallomimia> i was kidding. i never bother to o/c my stuff
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> heat is not the only killer
[23:39] <Gallomimia> runs fast enough no problem
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> electromigration.
[23:39] <zgreg> SpeedEvil: electromigration?
[23:39] <Gallomimia> electron migration
[23:39] <ziltro2> Gremlins?
[23:39] <[SLB]> lol
[23:39] <SpeedEvil> see the early thunderbolt fails.
[23:39] <zgreg> SpeedEvil: ?? guess that's a non-issue unless you want to use the pi for decades :)
[23:40] <techsurvivor> unlikely to be a problem in the next decade though, so it goes from 30 years to 15, by then i'll have moved on :)
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> no, in short high currents distort words
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[23:40] <SpeedEvil> wires
[23:40] <Gallomimia> that's when the current/voltage flowing in the nanometer thin wires/transistors jump over their insulations and seriously mess things up
[23:40] <Gallomimia> or... cause magnetic induction in nearby pathways
[23:40] <Gallomimia> same problem.
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> it's nothing to do with insulators
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> conductors only
[23:40] <ziltro2> They should make migrating electrons illegal.
[23:40] <ziltro2> That'll fix it.
[23:41] <Gallomimia> yeah. i noticed that stopped the mexicans quickly
[23:41] <zgreg> I doubt electromigration is a real issue here, unless you set the overvoltage flag to the max
[23:41] <techsurvivor> wiki article on it is pretty good at explaining it if interested :)
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[23:41] <Gallomimia> .wik electromigration
[23:41] <Gallomimia> aw wheres my favorite irc robots :/
[23:42] <mongrelion> here \o/
[23:43] <dj_beirut> hi.. i am trying to install raspbmc but when i boot for the first time it says that it can't connect since it has no ip address.. but i know my dhcp server takes a little while before it gives an ip and the time raspberry waits until it gives an error is too short... any ideas what i can do?
[23:43] <zgreg> but if you want to make sure your pi still works in 30 years, just drop the frequency and voltage a little :)
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[23:44] <zgreg> I wonder how much of a real problem electromigration is with x86 high-end CPUs, though
[23:44] <zgreg> these beasts use PLENTY of current, often over 100A
[23:44] <Hodapp> 100 A seems unlikely...
[23:44] <zgreg> why?
[23:44] <ziltro2> That's as much as the fuse on my house.
[23:44] <Hodapp> because of the TDP of the entire chip
[23:45] <Gallomimia> because of the amount of physical cross section of the conductor needed to handle 100A
[23:45] <zgreg> ziltro2: but your house runs on 230V (or 120V) and the CPU runs at 1.2V
[23:45] <Gallomimia> larger than the chip usually
[23:45] <zgreg> Hodapp: it's likely precisely because of that
[23:45] <Gallomimia> 1.2Vx100A is 120W
[23:45] <ziltro2> Ohh okay... That seems like a hugs amount of power in such a small place
[23:45] <Hodapp> usually TDP is set a good deal higher than it'll ever hit in usage
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[23:46] <zgreg> yeah, but with overclocking, some CPUs consume as much as 150W
[23:46] <zgreg> 100A is definitely possible
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[23:46] <zgreg> also, some (server or high-end) CPUs have TDPs of ~140W
[23:46] <techsurvivor> zgreg: is right about the amount of current it takes...
[23:47] <Hodapp> So now we're down from "Often over 100 A" so "As much as 100 A in certain cases"
[23:47] <techsurvivor> it takes two things to make power, voltage & current, so you can't compare house current to cpu current directly without looking at voltage
[23:47] <dj_beirut> anyyone?
[23:48] <zgreg> Hodapp: I don't think it's something rare
[23:48] <techsurvivor> dj_beirut: can you ping your pi?
[23:49] <techsurvivor> run prime95 and you'll get your amps going
[23:49] <trevorman> my first gen i7 has a TDP of 130W and it does get up there
[23:49] <zgreg> many people overclock CPUs
[23:49] <Tachyon`> lol
[23:49] <zgreg> also, intel's turbo boost features was made precisely to take advantage of the TDP headroom, when possible
[23:49] <dj_beirut> no.. it does not get an ip address. i get an error that says it does not connect. it does not give enough time for dhcp to assign an ip address before the error shows up. remember this is the first boot
[23:50] <techsurvivor> does it work with other pi images?
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[23:50] <techsurvivor> try the stock image, and verify you can ping, and go from there. if it's first boot there is just too many variables
[23:51] <techsurvivor> well I guess, I haven't used your distro heh
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[23:55] <zgreg> hmm now I'd really like to make some power consumption measurements :)
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[23:56] <techsurvivor> hmmm can you install raspbmc headless ? heh
[23:56] <techsurvivor> i don't like this installer
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[23:57] <techsurvivor> i'd rather just burn the image :)
[23:57] <trevorman> the raspbmc install utility + downloader image is a bit annoying
[23:58] <zgreg> apparently most high-end mainboards can safely supply about 150W to the cpu
[23:58] <techsurvivor> can you just get a premade image?
[23:58] <trevorman> don't think so. nothing official anyway.
[23:58] <trevorman> I prefer OpenELEC
[23:59] <techsurvivor> i was going to look at it, but if i can't do it headless i'm not trekking to my living room with a 50ft ethernet cable to hook up to my tv
[23:59] <techsurvivor> oh well :)
[23:59] <kwerk> The Pi is a bit underpowered for raspbmc it seems.
[23:59] <kwerk> Are we all in agreement on this?
[23:59] <sraue> you can always install with a unofficial image and update to one of our official builds
[23:59] <techsurvivor> where can I get an unofficial build ? :)
[23:59] <trevorman> sraue: techsurvivor means raspbmc I think

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