#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-08-07

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <sraue> trevorman, ok
[0:00] <techsurvivor> yeah i like the burn an image they're easy to maintain heh
[0:00] <trevorman> sraue: you need to use a utility to download the initial image, write it to the SD card then you boot off that which then downloads yet more stuff
[0:00] <techsurvivor> yeah, oh well, it was just a thought, thanks guys
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[0:01] <trevorman> kwerk: the menus are a bit sluggish yes
[0:01] <trevorman> kwerk: watching something is fine assuming its HW decoded
[0:01] <kwerk> it's fine, but barely fine.
[0:01] <sraue> trevorman, i know how raspbmc does this... its to complicated... makes not much sense to me
[0:01] <kwerk> and audio snaps between changing tracks.
[0:01] <kwerk> no smooth fade transitions at all.
[0:02] <trevorman> sraue: I agree. It seems very convoluted for no good reason.
[0:02] <kwerk> at least with the audio jack that is true.
[0:02] <techsurvivor> does openelec seem to have the same issues?
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[0:02] <trevorman> techsurvivor: no. you download everything in one go. you either build the SD yourself or you download a big unofficial SD card image and write it one go
[0:03] <sraue> techsurvivor, which issue? to install use a image you can burn to your sdcard, for updating to the official builds simply copy 4 files to a samba share on the rpi
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[0:04] <techsurvivor> they were talking about the sound crackling and what not between track changes
[0:04] <zgreg> intel says sandy bridge desktop parts can consume up to 112A (stock, no overclocking)
[0:04] <zgreg> Hodapp: so yes, I think over 100A is not that rare
[0:05] <techsurvivor> it isn't, i used to test chips for AMD, 80 amps was not uncommon, and that was a while ago currents have just gone up since then
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[0:06] <kn1000> techsurvivor, quick question, in terms of good quality usb cable, what sort of resistance should I be reading per meter for example
[0:06] <kn1000> just a rough average
[0:07] <techsurvivor> kn1000: i have no idea, i could measure a cable here I suppose
[0:07] <techsurvivor> a couple ohms at most if that probably
[0:07] <zgreg> techsurvivor: naturally, voltages have gone down, TDP hasn't :)
[0:07] <techsurvivor> it's down in the lower resolution of your meter probably heh
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[0:07] <techsurvivor> most are made to measure resistors, not conductive paths
[0:07] <kn1000> techsurvivor, reading about 5 ohms for about 20cm of cable here from that crappy cable I had a few days ago
[0:08] <techsurvivor> looking for a cable i can actually put a probe too, these microusb's are too small to get a probe into anyway
[0:08] <kn1000> yeah I just cut mine
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[0:09] <nickds> hello
[0:10] <kn1000> gonna use some cable out of a scart lead, seems much higher gauge
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[0:12] <mongrelion> three more hours and raspberry pi again failed compiling nodejs \o/
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[0:13] <techsurvivor> on my cheap extech i measured 0.6 ohms, i can't promise any accuracy :)
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[0:14] <techsurvivor> that was on a fairly heavy grade A-A usb cable I have for a logic analyzer
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[0:15] <kn1000> techsurvivor, yep so ultra cheap cable
[0:15] <kn1000> jesus
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[0:16] <techsurvivor> heh this was easy to get to the leads heh
[0:17] <techsurvivor> well relatively easy, micros are hard without a pin point probe and something like a vice and magnifying glass...
[0:17] <techsurvivor> not worth it, in other words, you should be fine, i think you just got hold of a dud the other day
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[0:17] <kn1000> measured almost 5 ohms over the raw cable.
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[0:18] <kn1000> gonna just make my own power transport lead out of overkill cable lol
[0:18] <techsurvivor> i'm using < $1 cables to power my rpis, i doubt that is your problem :)
[0:18] <kn1000> solve my power issues in one
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[0:18] <kn1000> probably a break somewhere i'd assume
[0:19] <kn1000> there we go
[0:19] <kn1000> on about a 1.5m length of higher quality load bearing cable, this stuff is getting about 1 ohm
[0:20] <techsurvivor> sure, and you probably haven't even tinned it yet :)
[0:20] <kn1000> yep
[0:20] <Tachyon`> I'd be very surrpised if the cable were the issue
[0:20] <kn1000> xD
[0:20] <techsurvivor> contact resistance will go down a little
[0:21] <techsurvivor> anyway, i think it maybe be overkill to run 00 cable to your rpi :)
[0:21] <kn1000> oo?
[0:22] <techsurvivor> .364 inch cable :)
[0:22] <techsurvivor> bad joke, we used to joke about using that "double ought" for our granding in the shop
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[0:23] <techsurvivor> between boards and such
[0:23] <techsurvivor> grounding that is
[0:25] <dwatkins> I think I'm still having power problems, as the network drops on my Pi a few minutes after booting up.
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[0:26] <dwatkins> The voltage seems to be high enough, as I'm getting exactly 5 Volts over T1/T2.
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[0:27] <dwatkins> TP1/TP2 that is
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[0:30] <dwatkins> ...and then it magically starts working again
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[0:40] <aphadke> is there a solar powered supply one can buy for the pi?
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[0:41] <ziltro2> There might be solar USB 'phone chargers', don't know if they give out enough current. And I haven't used one/don't live where there is sun.
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[0:42] <dwatkins> aphadke: I'd suggest a battery and solar cell together, since you probably can't rely on the sun that much on many places on the planet ;)
[0:42] <techsurvivor> it's pretty reliable here in texas and new mexico during the summer months
[0:43] <aphadke> dwatkins: yup, thats what i meant, looking @ http://pi.qcontinuum.com/project.html
[0:43] <ziltro2> It is pretty reliably not here in the UK all year round...
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[0:46] <techsurvivor> http://www.xscyz.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=390
[0:46] <aphadke> i was looking @ http://www.xscyz.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=390
[0:46] <techsurvivor> heh
[0:47] <techsurvivor> lmgtfy.com
[0:47] <dwatkins> There are circuits to regulate the charge going in to a LiPoly battery which might work in conjunction with a Pi, but I've not tried it - I don't think the voltage is enough on this but you might find something similar that supplies 5 Volts: http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/lipoly-charger-single-cell-p-650.html
[0:47] <dwatkins> ah ok, I guess you found what you need already :)
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[0:53] <Mrgoose> Hi, does the raspberry pi do well playing non h.264 content. or does all my media need to encoded h.264 for reliable playback?
[0:54] <trevorman> mpeg4 i.e. xvid or h264
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[1:03] <InControl> h264 is the best codec at the momonet imho anywat
[1:03] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[1:03] <ziltro2> Surely Dirac lossless is better? ;)
[1:04] <Mrgoose> yea, I just have a lot of older media that isn't h264, so i guess I will need to rencode
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[1:05] <GriffenJBS> ReggieUK: can you message me?
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[1:19] <WASD> Can the RPi be used to program microcontrollers?
[1:21] <bertrik> Probably not impossible, but it's not especially suited for that I'd say
[1:22] <JMichaelX> what is currently the best way to enable mp3 playback in raspbian?
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[1:25] <InControl> Yes the Pi can happily be used to program microcontrollers
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[1:26] <WASD> InControl: do you have any links to how? I would like to do it but can't find tutorials
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[1:27] * npm has employed 'pi as front door camera using generic USB cam and extension cable..... took about 5 minutes after doing 'apt-get install motion' :-)
[1:27] <InControl> no links, but you can run the IDEs
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[1:28] <InControl> most microcontrollers are programmed using a USB based programmer that you just plug into the pi
[1:28] <WASD> I don't have such a usb-device
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[1:28] <npm> motion(1) left me no further work to do as it already does everything including built in webserver... winning!
[1:29] <WASD> My idea was to directly connect the GPIO to a microcontroller to program it
[1:29] <NullMoogleCable> hmmm
[1:29] <NullMoogleCable> NRF24L01+ Wireless Transceiver Modules might be fun to use with the pi
[1:29] <InControl> You can use the UART pins on the GPIO header to program a serial microcontroller
[1:30] <InControl> but that might be more complicated, pic/avr programmers are cheap on ebay
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[1:32] <InControl> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clone-Microchip-Development-Programmer-Mini-PICKIT-2-/370244615447
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[1:46] <JMichaelX> what is currently the best way to enable mp3 playback in raspbian?
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[1:48] <ccssnet> JMichaelX: convert your mp3's to ogg vorbis and be done with it :)
[1:49] <JMichaelX> ccssnet: i do generally rip to ogg or flac, and have for a long time. i'd still like the ablility to play mp3 streams, however
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[1:55] <Arc> libGLESv1_CM.so seems to be missing from the videocore binary
[1:55] <Arc> the header is there though
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[2:28] <thewave127> hey guys, whats up
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[2:31] <IT_Sean> Hey
[2:32] <thewave127> I wanted to see if anyone in the chatroom would be willing to walk me through some setup stuff via skype. I don't have money to offer, but if anyone is jonesing for a game via steam I have a few in my inventory.
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[2:46] <sutterCane> i want to install gentoo on the raspberrypi as described in the gentoo wiki http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi . If my understanding is correct, i need another gentoo system to set it up first. is that correct?
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[3:11] <frustro> Hi all, I'm trying to get libftd2xx working from this document from FTDI ( http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/D2XX/Linux/ReadMe-linux.txt ) but I get an error "./read
[3:11] <frustro> ./read: error while loading shared libraries: libftd2xx.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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[3:12] <frustro> I've tried manually putting the files in place and verified all of the symlinks I though, but still having problems. suggestions?
[3:13] <ziltro2> frustro: It has been a while for me, but ... do you need to run 'ldconfig'?
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[3:19] <frustro> ziltro2, ah...probably, but now I have to redo my image, I've been mucking around for about half an hour with this.
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[3:21] <scanf> what would cause my combo kb/mouse to only have the kb work?
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[3:22] <scanf> its logitech k700 and has a usb transceiver dongle
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[3:26] <Cheery> phew. Finally I got at least little amount of progress
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[3:28] <Cheery> this pawes way to probably the simplest and most elegant tree structure editor I've yet wrotten.
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[3:34] <SpeedEvil> scanf: batteries?
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[3:43] <scanf> SpeedEvil: you would say that
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[4:04] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[4:05] <timaaarrreee> SSilver2k2: greets
[4:06] <SSilver2k2> today was fun. compiled quake2 and pcsx playstation emulator
[4:06] <SSilver2k2> this little pi is so amazing
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[4:22] <Hodapp> SSilver2k2: Have you tried PCSX yet?
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[4:57] <deltaray> So it seems that you can't get the Edimax EW-7811Un USB wifi dongle working anymore. Has anyone had luck with it?
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[4:59] <Hodapp> SSilver2k2: if you do, I'm just curious how well it works for you
[4:59] <Hodapp> I'm slowly realizing that the RPi is higher-spec than... let's see... my first four Linux boxes
[5:02] <ziltro2> My first Linux box was a 486 DX2 with 20MB RAM.
[5:02] <ziltro2> And that was a lot of RAM.
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[5:03] <Hodapp> oh, you were one of the rich kids that had a DX2
[5:03] * Hodapp glares
[5:05] <ziltro2> That was an upgrade!
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[5:07] <home> bircoe: Hello :D
[5:07] <home> bircoe: its not a good idea to run Rasp Pi from Arduino.. I have learned
[5:07] <Hodapp> wha?
[5:07] <home> bircoe: I might have damaged my ardujino.. anyway
[5:07] <home> bircoe: I tried XBMC...dissapointed XD
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[5:08] <Hodapp> why?
[5:08] <ziltro2> Arduino is 5 volt?
[5:08] <engkur> ziltro2, which distro can run on 486dx2
[5:08] <Hodapp> engkur: Debian or Arch might, actually, though you'd have to set up swap pretty early with 20 MB RAM
[5:09] <Hodapp> there is even a guide at tldp.org about how to run normal Linux on laptops with 2 MB RAM; this I guess was rather tricky because you had to enable swap even earlier here
[5:09] <ziltro2> engkur: Slackware did.
[5:09] <Hodapp> ah, yes, Slackware
[5:09] <ziltro2> I used that a lot before I knew what a package manager was.
[5:10] <engkur> how old this machine, im fiest use linux in p2 500mz 50gb, 128mb run redhat 5.0 in 1998 i thing
[5:10] <Hodapp> I used that a lot because I had no Internet access on the box for a package manager to use.
[5:11] <ziltro2> A P2 is quite a lot newer than a 486
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[5:14] <engkur> i own first computer in 1991 486 dx4, 16mb, 20gb, run dos + win 3.1, there is no freebsd or linux this time
[5:16] <Hodapp> what about 386BSD?
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[5:19] <engkur> btw, can raspberry pi use for dvr ipcamera, or cctv ?
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[5:36] <xiambax> can rpi support xdsc
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[5:37] <xiambax> Sorry did anyone reply. i accidentally closed
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[5:45] <Hodapp> xiambax: nope.
[5:45] <xiambax> so only 32gb cards?
[5:47] <Hodapp> "nope" as in no one has replied
[5:48] <Hodapp> I don't even know what XDSC is
[5:48] <deltaray> sdxc I think I means (64+GB SD cards)
[5:50] <deltaray> he
[5:50] <Quietlyawesome94> Are there any good Pi cases for $5 to $10 yet?
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[5:54] <deltaray> xiambax: 4 models of 64GB cards are claimed to work: http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoardVerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
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[5:55] <xiambax> Sweet, the sandisk mobile ultras are what i run
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[6:09] <xiambax> I'm waiting for this ebay thing to clear. waiting for paypal to release funds is brutal
[6:10] <mikma> so i've heard
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[6:17] <aykut> good mornin vietnam
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[6:42] <Halts> soo, my wireless adapter wont read from my usb hub
[6:42] <Halts> :|
[6:43] <Halts> it just doesnt work
[6:43] <Halts> but when directly in usb it does
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[6:44] <Halts> any ideas?
[6:46] <techsurvivor> hub + adapter uses too much power together?
[6:46] <techsurvivor> unless it's a power adapter of course
[6:46] <techsurvivor> powered*
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[6:47] <Halts> just a standard usb hub
[6:47] <Halts> a 4 port hub, using too much power?
[6:47] <techsurvivor> my point was you might have just been marginal on power with the wireless and the hub pushed it over the edge
[6:48] <techsurvivor> the wifi parts can use considerable power
[6:49] <techsurvivor> some won't work at all unless you use a powered hub according to reports on the wiki
[6:49] <Halts> have a link?
[6:49] <Halts> to that specific wiki
[6:50] <techsurvivor> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
[6:51] <techsurvivor> eg. : Ralink RT2571 working out-of-the-box on Debian image from 2012-04-19. Requires powered hub, otherwise it is detected by OS but will not function.
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[6:52] <Halts> will any powered usb work? or just the varified ones, im uncertain ill be able to get one at best buyy
[6:52] <techsurvivor> no idea, i haven't had that issue :)
[6:53] <techsurvivor> most will probably work, those are just ones people were nice enough to add to the wiki
[6:53] * Xark notes the 7-port powered Belkin hub from BB works nicely (beefy power supply too).
[6:53] <techsurvivor> try it with a keyboard, if it works with the keyboard it probably will
[6:54] <techsurvivor> otherwise buy one someone mentioned :)
[6:55] <techsurvivor> for example my rpi works fine on my pc usb port with wifi, when I overclock it -kaput-. but works fine on a cheap phone 5v supply
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[6:56] <techsurvivor> lot of trial and error I'm afraid
[6:56] <Halts> yeah, but i need keyboard/mouse/wifi :<
[6:57] <Halts> Xarx, have a link to buy that somewhereeee?
[6:57] <techsurvivor> probably need to get a powered hub then :) . it sucks to wait, maybe something cheap at a store near you
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[6:57] <Halts> well im going to bestbuy tomorrow.
[6:57] <techsurvivor> ouch
[6:58] <techsurvivor> hope you find something on sale!
[6:58] <Xark> Halts: I have this one http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Ultra-Slim-Series-7-Port-USB/dp/B005A0B4B4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1344315319&sr=8-3&keywords=usb+hub+belkin+7+port (there is a very similar 4 port one too).
[6:58] <Halts> maaaan $40
[6:58] <techsurvivor> just get a four port heh
[6:58] <Halts> its still like $30
[6:58] <Halts> :/
[6:59] <Xark> This isn't the cheapest hub available (however 4 port is a bit less) -> v
[6:59] <Xark> http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Ultra-Slim-4-Port-USB-F4U040v/dp/B005A0B3FG/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1344315385&sr=1-3&keywords=usb+hub+belkin+4+port
[6:59] <Halts> I'll see if best buy has it tomorrowww
[7:00] <Halts> and return this one i bought as well
[7:00] <Xark> I got mine at Best Buy (I think it is the nicest one they had).
[7:00] <techsurvivor> can't you see if they have it online?
[7:01] <Halts> best buys site is hard to find things on :S
[7:02] <Halts> oh snap
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[7:02] <Halts> oh thats a travel up
[7:02] <Halts> *hub
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[7:02] <Xark> What? I wouldn't call it that (it is slim, but has a huge 3A power supply).
[7:02] <techsurvivor> keep your receipt and take it back if it doesn't work
[7:03] <Halts> rad, the store im going to tomorrow has it
[7:03] <Halts> I was all "fuck yeah, finally get to play with my pi
[7:04] <Halts> but now, i have to drop $30 poop.
[7:05] <SebastianFlyte> Has anyone used a network of Raspberrypi's for Hadoop nodes?
[7:05] <SebastianFlyte> I want a 50-node Hadoop cluster -- for cheap!
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[7:09] <techsurvivor> hadoop is above my paygrade heh. anyone messes with the gpio? I can't seem to get it to toggle faster than a 3.5khz or so clock rate
[7:09] <techsurvivor> must be doing something wrong
[7:10] <Xark> techsurvivor: Are you using GPIO driver or hitting the bits directly?
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[7:10] <techsurvivor> i'm using wiringPI which i think uses the gpio library underneath, but I could be wrong, i just started
[7:11] <Xark> techsurvivor: Yeah. I suspect that adds a lot of overhead and I suspect may be the bottleneck. I think it has to do a user <-> kernel transition every call.
[7:11] <techsurvivor> it uses a sleep, so that could be the issue (nanosleep)
[7:11] <Xark> techsurvivor: That probably isn't helping. :)
[7:11] <techsurvivor> i think the context switching might be killing it, but it is very "regular
[7:11] <techsurvivor> "
[7:12] <Xark> techsurvivor: remove the sleep before you say you "can't go faster" then 3.5Khz. :)
[7:12] <techsurvivor> anyway, just curious, trying to figure out what some of the limits are :)
[7:12] <techsurvivor> well that's the way wiringPi does it, I don't want to mess with the guts of it
[7:12] <Xark> techsurvivor: I see. Not designed for performance, obviously. :)
[7:12] <techsurvivor> just getting started, I'll look at direct writes next
[7:13] <techsurvivor> probably just designed for fun...
[7:13] <Xark> Sure, fun and "easy".
[7:13] <techsurvivor> and use busy loops instead of sleeps
[7:13] <techsurvivor> althought that's horrible on performance heh, i'm just curious
[7:14] <Xark> techsurvivor: It may not be "friendly" to other tasks, but it may be good for performance (vs sleep).
[7:14] <techsurvivor> yeah, i know, this isn't my first rodeo, just my first pi :)
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[7:15] <techsurvivor> and this would be fast enough for 95% of what I plan on doing anyway
[7:16] <techsurvivor> gordonDrogon wrote some easy to use code and I appreciate that
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[7:28] <techsurvivor> oh that's better :) 11.1MHz
[7:29] <techsurvivor> a little more accurate 10.8695MHz :)
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[7:31] <nevyn> has anyone tried building a -rt kernel for the pi yet?
[7:32] <techsurvivor> i tried and failed miserably
[7:32] <techsurvivor> heh
[7:32] <techsurvivor> but that's not surprise, it will take someone with a lot more experience than me, but I did patch it up and build but it never went to completion
[7:33] <techsurvivor> (the kernel compile)
[7:35] <nevyn> have you built a kernel for a "regular" system before?
[7:36] * nevyn thinks embedded is usually trickier than normal but in some ways it's easier
[7:38] <phire> yeah, it's easier to build an embedded kernel
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[8:15] <TeeCee> Hi guys, back from vacation! :D
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[9:01] <saivert> TeeCee: where did you go?
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[9:03] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi peeps.
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[9:06] <phire> morning
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> techsurvivor, wiringPi provides delayMicroseconds() which calls nanosleep - which has a rather high overhead of some 120uS )-:
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[9:22] <TeeCee> saivert: Just offline.. :p
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[9:36] <gh0st3r> hi
[9:36] <TeeCee> hi gh0st3r
[9:36] <gh0st3r> trying to connect a TPLINK WN821N USB wireless key into my pi
[9:37] <gh0st3r> http://pastebin.com/TAP0XsJ4
[9:37] <gh0st3r> is that a power issue or?
[9:38] <TeeCee> usb 1-1.2: ath9k_htc: Firmware - htc_7010.fw not found
[9:38] <bircoe> no that's a "you don't have the correct firmware package installed" error
[9:38] <gh0st3r> oh damn
[9:38] <gh0st3r> any ideas on correct one?
[9:39] <gh0st3r> i can only find firmware-atheros :(
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[9:39] <bircoe> do you have that installed?
[9:39] <gh0st3r> yeap
[9:39] <bircoe> your wifi dongle may be to new for that firmware package
[9:40] <bircoe> do a google search for "linux ath9k_htc firmware" should get you the info you need
[9:40] <gh0st3r> thanks :)
[9:41] <bircoe> you may end up havign to compile the driver yourself and setting up the kernel modules... worst case anyway
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[9:47] <gh0st3r> how do you install the kernel headers?
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[9:47] <gh0st3r> haha
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[9:47] <gh0st3r> linux 3.1.9-
[9:47] <gh0st3r> apparently
[9:47] <gh0st3r> Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+
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[9:51] <booyaa> totally stoked that my usb wifi device worked first time
[9:52] <booyaa> i actually think it works better as a linux dev instead of a mac one
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[9:53] <booyaa> frequently would lose connection and didn't integrate with airport control panel
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[9:55] <booyaa> erps although it may have just gone down now
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[10:05] <booyaa> now we'll see if my network watchdog script kicks in
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[11:07] <charolastra> hi, is the new image of openelec (which deals with composite) ready?
[11:07] <Halts> it's as ready
[11:07] <Halts> as
[11:08] <Halts> the pie in my oven
[11:08] <charolastra> would you be so kind and point me to it?
[11:08] <Halts> 'there is no pie in my oven.
[11:08] <Halts> otherwise, i'd be more then happy to point you to it.
[11:08] <Halts> :)
[11:09] <booyaa> charolastra: try #openelec
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[11:16] <SolderPI> grr fighting with irssi
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[11:17] <booyaa> sup?
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[11:18] <SolderPI> just tring to make myself auto join at the right time after being identified ...
[11:18] <booyaa> ah yeah, i've been trying to get that right
[11:19] <booyaa> i've been hacking it by using a timeout, but really it event driven i.e. once nickserv has said i'm ident'd
[11:19] <booyaa> i think i'm up to 4ms waiting at the mo
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[11:20] <booyaa> SolderPI: actually it's 5secs after i've ident'd with nickserv
[11:20] <booyaa> has survived most netsplist so far
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[11:20] <SolderPI> kk - will give it a go
[11:21] <SolderPI> brb
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[11:45] <steve_rox> aything interesting going on?
[11:47] <TeeCee> No... :(
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[11:48] <steve_rox> damn
[11:48] <[SLB]> lol
[11:48] <steve_rox> im still waiting for some fancy mame or sega mega drive emulator
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> just a quiet morning :)
[11:48] <steve_rox> ah i see
[11:48] <Tachyon`> why not try running mame
[11:49] <Tachyon`> there are several ports for linuix
[11:49] <Tachyon`> get off arse and build one -.-
[11:49] <steve_rox> i find myself totally lost in linux
[11:49] <Tachyon`> there's several megadrive emulators too afaik
[11:49] <steve_rox> windoez suger coated things for too long
[11:49] <Tachyon`> well, it's usually very simple
[11:49] <Tachyon`> download, unpack, ./configure, make, ..., profit
[11:50] <steve_rox> i realise i dont know enough about linux to effectively use the pi :-P
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[11:51] <fairuz> steve_rox: Any good project using your Pi?
[11:52] <steve_rox> i cant think of any good project
[11:52] <steve_rox> i do have one them small 3.5 displays off ebay to use in any project
[11:53] <steve_rox> low rez but displays vid okay i guess
[11:53] <TeeCee> steve_rox: Check out the last few posts of this thread: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=643&start=25
[11:53] <steve_rox> i shall take a read thu it
[11:54] <fairuz> steve_rox: I have no idea on a good project either :(
[11:54] <steve_rox> drives ya mad dont it
[11:54] <fairuz> Installed a web server on it, but boring
[11:54] * fairuz nods
[11:54] <steve_rox> even if i do think of some electronic project for the gpio ports to use i dont know python scripting to utilize it
[11:55] <fairuz> steve_rox: Try bash scripting, maybe it's easier
[11:55] <fairuz> I already do a simple project to drive some leds
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[11:55] <steve_rox> there is a guy that was able to convert that 3.5 inch lcd from 12v to 5v by bypassing a regulator , perhaps i could try that
[11:55] <steve_rox> but id need some kinda protection circuit to prevent >5v
[11:56] <fairuz> Maybe will try to buy a relay and a sensor. Something like, automatically light a bulb when it's dark
[11:56] <steve_rox> that needs a LDR
[11:56] <steve_rox> kinda stuck for project ideas aghhh
[11:57] <steve_rox> installing a pi into a car would be easy as hell but what would you make it do in the car
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> you can control the LEDs via GPIO via bash quite easilly.
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a program to help do it too...
[11:59] <steve_rox> i would need example code and stuff
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[12:00] <steve_rox> i tend to learn better off examples :-/
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/test.sh.txt
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> it needs my wiringPi library and utility installed.
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/download-and-install/
[12:00] <steve_rox> oh rights
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> it's not too hard at that level.
[12:01] <steve_rox> i was also corrupt into learning basic from the c64 , then vb6 in windows made it grow strong in me (aghh) , so i guess changeing to another language will be hell
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[12:02] <gordonDrogon> well, you can program the GPIO in BASIC if you want to...
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a BASIC interprerter that runs on the Pi too.
[12:02] <steve_rox> what form of basic?
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> pretty basic BASIC.
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> but 'structured'
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> quick example: http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/circles.rtb
[12:04] <steve_rox> ahh
[12:04] <steve_rox> :-)
[12:04] <phire> ahhhh, basic
[12:04] <steve_rox> one mad part of me wants to be able to have some kinda server on the pi to make it connect to a vb6 client then i could use that to manipulate it
[12:05] <fairuz> I just read about charlieplexing :D Should try this one out. Looks easy to setup.
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> with or without line numbers: http://unicorn.drogon.net/rtb/flt.rtb
[12:05] <steve_rox> whats a charileplexing? if its anything like that star trek eppasode we are all doomed
[12:05] <steve_rox> it has a few words in the basic im not famiulre with
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> charliplexing is a good technique, but it really need a dedicated micro controller, or lots of PWM outputs.
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> you'll end up with flicker on the Pi if you're not careful.
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> but have a look at this for some techniques to reduce it on a multiplexed display:
[12:06] <steve_rox> what is this charliplexing?
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/7-segment-led-display-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> a way of making more LEDs light up than you have IO pins.
[12:07] <steve_rox> heh will have veryone building their own fake bombs before long
[12:07] <TeeCee> Fake bombs running fork bombs! :D
[12:07] <steve_rox> only problem is the pi wont run longer than a hour or so on 4AAA
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> so with 8 pins, you could have a 4x4 matrix of LEDs - 16 LEDs - with charlieplexing that increases to some silly number like 30 or 40 (there is a calcualtion, but I don't have it to hand)
[12:08] <steve_rox> i allways thought controlling a large ammount of LED would be cool
[12:08] <steve_rox> for makeing custom signs or cool animation
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlieplexing
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> 8 pins = 56 LEDs.
[12:09] <steve_rox> ah my project involved like 500 led's
[12:09] <steve_rox> i dident start it in the end tho
[12:10] <steve_rox> the software calculator website suggested id need over 100V to run it :-P
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> better off using more modern technology like using the ws2801 chip to drive 100's of LEDs via a serial itnerface.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> e.g. http://adafruit.com/products/322
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> still looking for a UK source for them though.
[12:11] <steve_rox> ive got breadboard here and some led's etc but i dont know python or anything to utilise it
[12:11] <steve_rox> its gonna be a slow devlopment
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> so use something other than python.
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[12:11] <steve_rox> if i can stay motivated
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> I don't know python either, but it doesn't stop me...
[12:12] <steve_rox> is there anything that supports a GUI?
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> start here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
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[12:12] <steve_rox> i guess i got used to vb6 since it had basic and had a GUI
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> I'm working on a GUI for the Pi's GPIO.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> you mean a gui development environment?
[12:12] <fairuz> gordonDrogon: Nice
[12:12] <steve_rox> yeah
[12:12] <InControl> GUI for GPIO would be good
[12:13] <fairuz> I assume that is for controlling the gpio from gui
[12:13] <steve_rox> a gui in the os :-P
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> since my BASIC supports the GPIO, it's just a few 100 lines of BASIC code.
[12:13] <steve_rox> but now youve got me thinking physical gui
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg is a BASIC program that's talking to the Arduino and displaying the Arduinos IO on the screen - it's not hard to do something similar for the Pi's on-board GPIO.
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> what I don't have in my BASIC is mouse input. Hmm.
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> might be a job for later this morning to lookup how SDL handles the mouse...
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[12:15] <gordonDrogon> so much to do, so little time...
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[12:16] <steve_rox> yeah now my back is annoying me again
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[12:16] <steve_rox> hurts to sit at pc
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[12:18] <gordonDrogon> invest in a good chair...
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> my wife suffers backache if she's not in a good chair, so spent ?500 on her last one, but it has a 20-year guarantee. not had a spot of bother since getting it.
[12:19] <steve_rox> i have some back injury
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[12:20] <steveccc> can anyone recommend a good tool to download and upload files from flickr
[12:23] <charolastra> hi, are the scrappers supposed to work on the rpi builds? somehow i only see script errors on top the screen :/
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[12:29] <RaTTuS|BIG> charolastra ?? witch what where ?
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> off to see a clieent - laters!
[12:37] <charolastra> ups, missing content: i tried raspbmc first and it showed series information but it crashed all the time; now i tried openelec which works fine but none of the database things work
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[12:46] <steve_rox> is there a way to force update of xmbc? it say it will auto update but it does not
[12:46] <steve_rox> assumeing they released newer versions
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[12:59] <DexterLB> could somebody please explain what the coloured screen at startup means?
[12:59] <DexterLB> I know it's displayed by the start.elf
[12:59] <DexterLB> but sometimes it just freezes there
[12:59] <DexterLB> aka it can't load the kernel
[12:59] <Arch-MBP> that???s what it means
[12:59] <steve_rox> colored startup screen?
[13:00] <Arch-MBP> it cant load the kernel
[13:00] <DexterLB> and it seems pretty random behaveour, I haven't pinpointed any reason
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[13:00] <Arch-MBP> yeah the multi colored screen
[13:00] <DexterLB> sometimes it boots, sometimes it doesn't
[13:00] <steve_rox> i assume its the inital firmware starting
[13:01] <DexterLB> could it be because the memory card is pretty low-quality?
[13:01] <steve_rox> run chkdsk or equivilent on it?
[13:01] <steve_rox> check power supply
[13:01] <DexterLB> power supply is stable 5.0V, doesn't budge
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[13:01] <DexterLB> even looked at it with the oscilloscope
[13:02] <steve_rox> its allso about amps etc too
[13:02] <drogon> here we are again.
[13:02] <steve_rox> oh rights
[13:02] <steve_rox> try alternative sd card/os?
[13:02] <DexterLB> tried os, same randomness
[13:03] <DexterLB> don't have another >2g card atm though :(
[13:03] <DexterLB> I'm suspecting it's the card, yeah
[13:03] <steve_rox> change card then i guess
[13:03] <steve_rox> oh
[13:03] <steve_rox> i havent encountered any problems with sd cards yet , even with my digital camera ones
[13:03] <DexterLB> ah well, I should be buying a card anyway
[13:04] <steve_rox> just hope i dont wanna do photography again
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[13:04] <steve_rox> its got xmbc on it
[13:04] <DexterLB> :D
[13:04] <steve_rox> i need more cards tho
[13:04] <steve_rox> i wanna try riscos
[13:04] <DexterLB> what's the max speed the rpi can transfer to the card at?
[13:04] <steve_rox> no idea
[13:04] <DexterLB> and wtf, risc on arm?
[13:04] <steve_rox> yeah it got ported to alpha
[13:05] <steve_rox> well its at alpha state
[13:05] <bertrik> DexterLB, about 10-20 MB/s I think
[13:05] <Arch-MBP> im waiting for android port
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[13:05] <DexterLB> bertrik: oooh, so it must be compatible with a class 10
[13:05] <steve_rox> this card with xmbc on is a class10
[13:06] <bertrik> I'm using a class 10 and got about 19 MB/s write speed, but I don't know how realistic that is because of buffering
[13:06] <steve_rox> one that came with pi with default os on it is a class6
[13:08] <bertrik> This card I'm using is an Adata 8GB class 10, but quite cheap at E7,- in the local shop, works fine so far
[13:08] <DexterLB> say that again
[13:08] <DexterLB> 7 euros?
[13:09] <bertrik> yes
[13:10] <DexterLB> hmmm
[13:10] <SpeedEvil> bertrik: Write a gig, if you're worried about buggering then.
[13:10] <SpeedEvil> buffering
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[13:12] <DexterLB> wonder if this one is genuine http://www.ebay.com/itm/Transcend-8-GB-SD-SDHC-Class-10-Memory-Card-TS8GSDHC10-/200791689158?pt=Digital_Camera_Memory_Cards&hash=item2ec01e07c6
[13:12] <drogon> I'm using a class 6 and get 20MB/sec ... My class 4's get 16MB/sec..
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[13:13] <buZz> WRAWRAWRA
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[13:17] <bertrik> SpeedEvil, yeah, I think hdparm -t /dev/mmcblk0 is probably more representative (only for reading though)
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> dd of a gig (in or out) is just fine. - follow it by a sync, and time both. (for write)
[13:20] <zgreg> class ratings are meaningless
[13:20] <zgreg> don't even bother, do not select an SD card according to class
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[13:27] <bertrik> zgreg, what else, look for the words "pro", "ultra", "extreme"? :D
[13:27] <drogon> yea, lots just seem to be marketing names...
[13:28] <drogon> I've found that dd for reading more or less matches hdparm -t - it's just the writing that's more of an issue...
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[13:30] <drogon> however my sandisk ultra c6 does seem to be good - it's the 20MB/sec one.
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[13:33] <DexterLB> zgreg: it would be nice if they let us test the cards before buying
[13:33] <steve_rox> wonder if a pi could interface with a cars onboard computer
[13:33] <DexterLB> probably
[13:33] <steve_rox> would give it a usefull purpose maybe
[13:35] <DexterLB> hmmm, might prove a nice assasination tool
[13:35] <steve_rox> haha
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[13:35] <steve_rox> true
[13:35] <DexterLB> hide it in somebody's car, program it to screw something vital up when he's going at high speed
[13:35] <steve_rox> the possibltys are endless
[13:35] <fairuz> :D
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[13:36] <DexterLB> "sorry, not my fault - the kernel is beta, anything could happen"
[13:36] <steve_rox> :-D
[13:36] <steve_rox> that will teach em to put computers in cars
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[13:37] <InControl> http://www.mymemory.co.uk/SDHC/SanDisk/SanDisk-16GB-Extreme-SD-Card-%28SDHC%29-45MB_s---Class-10
[13:37] <InControl> That will be genuine ??10
[13:37] <drogon> think that's the place I got my sandisk ultra's from. only got 4GB devices though.
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[13:38] <drogon> yes, another channel islands company :)
[13:39] <steve_rox> sat outside the uk to avoid taxes?
[13:39] <InControl> The VAT loophole has been closed
[13:39] <steve_rox> ah
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[13:40] <steve_rox> i guess aol are going nuts then
[13:40] <ne2k> has any else contemplated the idea that you could make a SHORT SD to micro SD adapter that would allow you to fit a micro SD card entirely within the bounds of the circuit board?
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[13:40] <ne2k> does such a thing already exist?
[13:40] <ne2k> would be rather difficult to DIY, sadly
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[13:40] <steve_rox> i have a sd card which you can shove a micro sd into it?
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[13:40] <nid0> someone's already done it, theres a thread on the forum
[13:40] <steve_rox> doesent work tho
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[13:40] <steve_rox> or my hardware may hate it
[13:41] <steve_rox> which is annoying since i have a spare 2gb sd micro
[13:41] <steve_rox> just no way to read write it
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[13:42] <ne2k> steve_rox: yes, I have one of those too, but it sticks out the edge of the Pi. my idea was to make the adapter shorter than an SD card, and put the micro SD into it sideways, so the whole thing fits within the footprint of the Pi and doesn't stick out
[13:42] <steve_rox> alough i have a idea
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[13:42] <steve_rox> ahh
[13:42] <steve_rox> you mean saw it down a bit
[13:42] <nid0> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=13390
[13:42] <Gadget-Work> Well rotate the uSD through 90 degrees ?
[13:42] <nid0> ^ non-sticking-out microsd
[13:42] <steve_rox> while possibly in theory it may be fiddily constructing one
[13:43] <steve_rox> im gonna assume that ribbon socket next to sd reader is the sd card reader , couldent you use that on a seprate pcb?
[13:44] <nevyn> I wish it was microsd
[13:44] <ne2k> steve_rox: ribbon socket?
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[13:44] <bircoe> wheres the ribbon?
[13:44] <steve_rox> damn thats a neat project page
[13:44] <ne2k> steve_rox: you can assume that all you want
[13:45] <steve_rox> then what is it then?
[13:45] <bircoe> which picture?
[13:45] <steve_rox> not the pic
[13:45] <steve_rox> the ribbon socket next to sd card reader
[13:45] <ne2k> steve_rox: or you could actually look at the documentation and determine that it's a DSI connector
[13:45] <bircoe> there is no ribbon socket next to the sd card
[13:45] <ne2k> bircoe: on the top, I presume he means
[13:46] <bircoe> well that's the HDMI connector...
[13:46] <steve_rox> hmmz
[13:46] <bircoe> SD is on bottom
[13:46] <ne2k> bircoe: the HDMI connector is on the side
[13:46] <ne2k> S2 is a DSI connector
[13:46] <steve_rox> how confusing
[13:46] <bircoe> on top the ribbons are for DSI (LCD Display) and the other is for Camera but i forget it's name
[13:46] <ne2k> bircoe: CSI-2
[13:46] <RaTTuS|BIG> CSI
[13:47] <bircoe> that's the one!
[13:47] <InControl> Miami ?
[13:47] <bircoe> no NY
[13:47] <ne2k> InControl: that's what I thought ;-)
[13:48] <ne2k> that MicroSD thing is just what I'm looking for. looks like someone went to quite a lot of effort to make a PCB
[13:48] <bircoe> I can't wait for an LCD addon that uses the DSI port... and a Camera addon that uses the CSI port... damn too many addons
[13:49] <ne2k> I don't think it's a faked-up image, looks real. Lucker23 should sell them!
[13:49] <InControl> trouble is the add-on will be LVDS bridge
[13:49] <bircoe> that's ok still
[13:49] <InControl> so only 10"+ LCD's tend to use that interface
[13:49] <bircoe> I just stripped a laptop for parts and kept it's LCD for this very purpose!
[13:49] <ne2k> what I really want is proper ALSA support for the onboard sound chip so I can use jack on it
[13:50] <bircoe> ne2k: here's your microSD mod... a dob of hot glue and 10 minutes of cutting wires and soldering and your done.
[13:51] <bircoe> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/544
[13:51] <ne2k> bircoe: damn, it's the same price as the flash card ;-)
[13:51] <ne2k> bircoe: thanks for the link though, that could be very handy
[13:52] <ne2k> bircoe: tbh, if I'm going to use wires, might as well just use a full size SD card anyway
[13:52] <ne2k> and mount it elsewhere so it doesn't stick out
[13:52] <bircoe> or this:
[13:52] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MicroSD-Breakout-Board-breadboarding-electronics-kits-uSD-BO-V2A-/261064821579?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc8ad0b4b
[13:53] <bircoe> Nah, I'll be doing that mod... I hate where the stock SD card sits and the fact that it's a full size SD
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[13:54] <bircoe> The ebay one looks semi decent, has a card detect LED... I use one of my Pi's in my doughters bedroom to play Dora the Explorer (i know i know) and she plays with it all the time and slightly nudges the SD card out of place.
[13:54] <bircoe> Would be allot harder with the microSD card and easier to work out why it's not working with the LED
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[13:56] <bircoe> I reackon this board is very similar to the other mod posted:
[13:56] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MicroSD-Micro-SD-MSD-Card-Breakout-Board-/120942817881?pt=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item1c28c0f259#ht_1153wt_1168
[13:57] <ne2k> bircoe: same manufacturer looks like they make some really handy test kit http://elabguy.com/
[13:57] <InControl> I wonder if the SD will stick out in future revisions of pi
[13:57] <InControl> if it is going to be a long term thing then maybe someone should make half hight SD cards
[13:58] <ne2k> InControl: I think a half-height SD to micro SD adapter that takes the micro SD sideways would be the most sensible product to design
[13:58] <ne2k> then people can carry on making SD cards and micro SD cards
[13:58] <bircoe> I'd assume there will be a revision at some point, which will also address the USB ports... and hopefully the lack of DC socket
[13:58] <InControl> apparently pi has problems with many micrsd though ?
[13:58] <ne2k> InControl: haven't tried, to be fair
[13:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> DC socket?
[13:58] <bircoe> I've run several uSD's without issue
[13:59] <bircoe> DC barrel jack instead of uUSB port
[13:59] <ne2k> I'm powering mine from header pins 2 and 6
[13:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> no - they will never move from that
[13:59] <bircoe> most cheap phone chargers suck
[13:59] <InControl> I was thinking about making a power board with a DC socket that would power the pi from GPIO to do away with that stupid micro USB
[13:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> DC mean more RPi's will get fried
[13:59] <nid0> hopefully there will be the addition of poe in future though
[14:00] <bircoe> well in that case I'll be breaking it off and epoxying on a DC jack.
[14:00] <ne2k> InControl: put a regulator on the board too
[14:00] <bircoe> POE would be the ducks nuts!
[14:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> bircoe - just power from the GPIO pins
[14:00] <booyaa> wouldn't hold you breath
[14:00] <bircoe> <RaTTuS|BIG> I'm pretty happy with my plans...
[14:00] <booyaa> could use a poe extractor though right?
[14:01] <nid0> the foundation have said for ages that theyd like to provide poe in future releases
[14:01] <ne2k> booyaa: splitter, they're called. yes, that's what I'm using
[14:01] <ne2k> booyaa: http://linitx.com/product/13417 good quality, pretty good price
[14:01] <bircoe> http://www.google.com.au/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&biw=2016&bih=1096&authuser=0&tbm=isch&tbnid=fPkVh3jGGoQKPM:&imgrefurl=http://shop.delta.poznan.pl/passive-poe-adapter-poe-uni-to-power-supply-via-twisted-pair_c137_p3334.html&docid=xID3YRt94sLLXM&imgurl=http://shop.delta.poznan.pl/obrazki/poe-uni_obrazek1_duzy.jpg&w=1100&h=777&ei=GgMhUJa6Ku-wiQeFi4GQAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=1491&vpy=147&dur=283&hovh=105&hovw=147&tx=168&
[14:01] <bircoe> ty=81&sig=117261875337959544720&page=1&tbnh=105&tbnw=148&start=0&ndsp=62&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:0,i:100
[14:01] <bircoe> crap... try that again
[14:01] <booyaa> whoops
[14:01] <bircoe> http://shop.delta.poznan.pl/obrazki/poe-uni_obrazek1_duzy.jpg
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[14:02] <ne2k> bircoe: that's just a passive PoE breakout cable
[14:02] <ne2k> bircoe: has nothing to do with 802.3af
[14:02] <Gadget-Work> Or if you're after proper POE, use one of these http://linitx.com/product/13266
[14:03] <bircoe> woiuld still do the job... as i highly doubt the Pi will ever get proper standards compliant POE
[14:03] <ne2k> Gadget-Work: just realized the link I pasted is the injector -- the photo on its page looks exactly like the splitter!
[14:03] <bircoe> it just doesn't fit the idea behind the foudnation
[14:03] <InControl> Gadget-Work: lol, out of stock and no picture, what makes it better ?
[14:04] <Gadget-Work> Better than what InControl ?
[14:04] <ne2k> InControl: http://www.ebuyer.com/263590-tp-link-tl-poe10r-poe-splitter-tl-poe10r?utm_source=google&utm_medium=products
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[14:04] <Gadget-Work> Depends on what sort of POE you're ralking about
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[14:07] <drogon> proper PoE would cost almost as much as the Pi to fit it to the board )-:
[14:08] <jticket> Anyone know about using speakup on the pi?
[14:08] <Gadget-Work> Well about 50%, lower with volume.
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[14:08] <drogon> The 802.3af stuff runs at 48volts, so add that to the cost of the Pi end and the price goes up...
[14:08] <drogon> great if you already have a PoE switch though... most people don't...
[14:09] <ne2k> drogon: the people who need it can add a splitter
[14:09] <jticket> Am blind and am thinking of trying the pi with speakup.
[14:09] <ne2k> drogon: I agree with you, it's never going to go on the main board
[14:09] <bircoe> work tosses out of warranty Cisco's all the time... might have to snag one of the next lot.
[14:09] <drogon> I use passive PoE for various boards in my office though, but I'd need to get an adaptor to go from 3.5mm jack to micro usb..
[14:09] <bircoe> jticket, what OS does speakup run on?
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[14:10] <ne2k> drogon: I put an IDC connector on the end of the wires that come off the passive PoE splitter and put that on to GPIO pins 2 and 6
[14:10] <jticket> Most linux OS's, you can run it under debian as well, by compiling as kernel module, or patching the kernel.
[14:10] <drogon> I did once plug in a passive PoE cable into a Pi... It had 18V going down it... The unused wires inside the Pi's Ethernet connector have terminating resistors on them and they got somewhat hot...
[14:11] <bircoe> jticket: there are quite a few distros for Pi including Debian, so as long as the dependencies can be met then you'll be able to compile it.
[14:12] <InControl> the closed nature of the Pi architecture is the limiting factor, if it was an open design then people could build variations of the pi for specific needs.
[14:12] <bircoe> will = should
[14:12] <jticket> checkout linux-speakup.org also for software speech synthesis you'll need espeak, and speechd-up which is the interface between speech-dispatcher and speakup, because it doesn't directly support software speech.
[14:14] <drogon> anyone with a Pi handy? I'm out of my office right now and want to know how easy it might be to remove R21 and R27 - they might be near the 3.5mm audio jack...
[14:14] <drogon> looking to hack into both PWM channels.
[14:15] <bircoe> just had a look... they look like they'd be painful, tweezers magnifying glass and a really small iron tip!
[14:15] <InControl> For example I would quite like to build a pi based board that dumps the Composite, CSI, DSI and micro USB connectors, and uses the space to replace the 2-way GPIO header with a 40pin one that has extra connections
[14:15] <InControl> 2-way =26-way
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[14:16] <Gadget-Work> Quite a few people would like it different, but it works for the job it's been designed for.
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[14:18] <InControl> I don't expect the foundation to produce lots of variations
[14:18] <InControl> just if it was an open design then people could do that for themselves
[14:19] <InControl> but the Broadcom SOC is so closed that only people within broadcom can build the necessary drivers etc
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[14:20] <xarragon> There is a "peripheal datasheet" available on element14, but that isn't enough I suppose? You guys need info on the core?
[14:20] <bircoe> drogon: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/RPi/2012-08-07%2022.14.46.jpg
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[14:25] <BenO> the video core is hidden away and it controls and provides much more than its name suggests
[14:25] <BenO> that is the bit that really needs to be got at - documented, reverse engineered, whatever!
[14:27] <zgreg> the peripheral datasheet is only a drop in a bucket
[14:27] <zgreg> it covers a really small part of the SoC
[14:28] <drogon> bircoe, thanks! Hm a bit small :)
[14:28] <Gadget-Work> tbh, other SOC chips are available. Move on.
[14:29] <bircoe> Check out some of the Allwinner A10 devices... they seem to be much easier to develop.
[14:29] <buZz> bircoe: not so much
[14:30] <buZz> bircoe: just that they are cheap, doesnt make allwinner produce any docs ;)
[14:30] <buZz> cheap devices usually just have a lot moar developers
[14:30] <buZz> because most are cheapskates
[14:31] <bircoe> price is not what i was basing my comment on... the shear amount of devices out there using the SOC is what i based my comments on.
[14:31] <drogon> InControl, I'm sort of dissapointed the unused 'DNC' pins of the GPIO are connected to either +5, +3.3 or ground rather than being left floating..
[14:31] <drogon> I could have soldered a wire to one of the unused pins for example to take the 2nd PWM out..
[14:32] <buZz> bircoe: sadly 99% of those devices are run-of-the-mill android tablets that will never see a developer
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[14:32] <chithead> they could connect the dnc pins to 400 V~ if they wanted to
[14:32] <drogon> well they could, but there's not 400v on the board... but it would have been better to simply not connect them at all IMO.
[14:33] <InControl> true, would have been useful. but I think originally they were intended as ground points for the different signal types, but later they decided to mark them DNC instead so that they could route extra IO there in a future revision.
[14:33] <drogon> I'm actually considring pulling a pin out, running a drill down the hole to remove the plating, pushing it back in just to disconnect it, but that's a bit 'hard-core' ..
[14:33] <chithead> bircoe: there are some devices with allwinner and ingenic socs which invite hacking. for economic purposes they ship with android, but they allow you to replace it with your own os
[14:34] <bircoe> i know this...
[14:34] <bircoe> drogon... a bit out of the skill level of the average folk!
[14:36] <drogon> bircoe, yea, probably. (and at the skill and eyesight level for me to!)
[14:36] * drogon has a couple of good magnifiers on the workbench!
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[14:37] <bircoe> I hear ya... <= half blind in one eye and shakey hands... and I'm only just into my 30's!!!
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[14:41] <bircoe> wishes my finances could bear the brunt of this at the moment:
[14:41] <bircoe> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console
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[14:42] <chithead> "cracking open the last closed platform: the tv"?? many tvs (e.g. samsung and sony) already run linux
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[14:43] <buZz> shitsilly anyway
[14:43] <bircoe> yeah poor line but love the device... Tegra 3 for $99!!!
[14:43] <Dagger2> and how many of those TVs are actually open?
[14:43] <buZz> its not like there havent been any computers that use the TV as output
[14:43] <buZz> bircoe: tegra 3 is outdated
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[14:43] <TheBrayn> every time I hear "Ouya" I have to think of the kool-aid man
[14:43] <bircoe> of course it is :/
[14:43] <buZz> bircoe: thats why its so cheap
[14:44] <bircoe> are you implying that's it's below par? or just that it's not brand spanking new?
[14:44] <buZz> no i'm saying its retro
[14:46] <bircoe> I see... well it's still a solid performer, the One X is the best phone I've owned to date.
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[14:47] <buZz> bircoe: well
[14:47] <buZz> bircoe: Z80 is still a very popular processor
[14:47] <buZz> bircoe: maybe you want a Z80 in your new computer
[14:47] <drazyl> yes please
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[14:48] <bircoe> errr yes, let me remove my i5 2400 and replace it with a Z80
[14:48] <drazyl> ld hl,dest
[14:48] <drazyl> push hl
[14:48] <drazyl> ret
[14:48] <buZz> it will be an upgrade
[14:48] <drazyl> ahhh, the joys of abusing z80 assembler
[14:48] <bircoe> I've got a bunch of Sega Megadrives should I just remove the Z80's from them?
[14:48] <buZz> bircoe: Z80 is much easier to develop for, as there are at least 892347892374892379872938 Z80 processors in the world ;)
[14:49] <buZz> maybe we should just abandon upgrading to newer tech and move backwards? there will be more docs, knowledge and devices in it for us!
[14:49] <drazyl> 8 bits is enough for anyone
[14:50] <bircoe> but can it run Crysis?
[14:50] <chithead> we have to go 16 bit before we go 8 bit. someone should revive the linux port to 80286 cpus
[14:50] <buZz> chithead: uClinux?
[14:50] <buZz> i think that already compiles for 80286
[14:50] <drazyl> I had xenix on an 8088, so why not
[14:50] <mru> z80... can't say I'd want to go back there
[14:51] * buZz doesnt lend his gameboys to mru
[14:51] <mru> there are much better 8/16-bit micros available
[14:51] <techsurvivor> life was so much simpler then :) , so many fewer windows to manage
[14:51] <drazyl> heresy!
[14:51] <drazyl> the z80 is the pinnacle of microprocessor development
[14:51] <zgreg> 6502 > z80
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[14:52] <mjr> yes, this is a cheat, but must mention http://dmitry.co/index.php?p=./04.Thoughts/07.%20Linux%20on%208bit
[14:52] <buZz> mru: atmega32u4 <3
[14:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> 68040 or nothing
[14:52] <mru> and for all but the tiniest applications, you might as well use a 32-bit micro
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[14:52] <argoneus> Hello
[14:52] <techsurvivor> nah use arduinos and pis everywhere
[14:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> ho argoneus
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[14:53] <argoneus> Is there a cable/band whatever to extend/connect multiple gpio pins?
[14:53] <BCMM> buZz: that is surprisingly close to the number of stars in the observable universe...
[14:53] <zgreg> ARM's MCU cores are quite neat
[14:53] <mru> there's no reason to confine yourself to 8-bit unless you need to run for 100 years on a single battery
[14:53] <buZz> argoneus: adafruit.com has it
[14:53] <argoneus> what is it called?
[14:53] <argoneus> >.>
[14:53] <buZz> argoneus: click raspberry, scroll down
[14:53] <zgreg> I have a cortex-m3 board here, it's quite powerful and still very efficient
[14:53] <buZz> BCMM: all entropy is human determined anyway ;)
[14:54] <mru> zgreg: the cortex-m stuff is pretty good
[14:54] <mru> m3 and m4 are the high-end ones
[14:54] <buZz> well, i will be mating my pi with a attiny soon, attiny will do 1wire interfacing to a batterypack
[14:54] <mru> need low power, go m0
[14:54] <buZz> i think there is also cortex m6 now
[14:54] <techsurvivor> cobbler argoneus
[14:55] <argoneus> thank you
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[14:55] <bircoe> mjr that project is wicked... I'd love to give it a go
[14:55] <mru> nothing beyond m4 on the arm internal doc site...
[14:55] <zgreg> I remember reading somewhere that the m0 core isn't actually much more complex than typical 8-bit MCU cores
[14:55] <techsurvivor> dang, talk about a surgical strike
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[14:55] <mru> m0 or m0+?
[14:56] <zgreg> m0
[14:56] <buZz> m0 cortex m0 problems
[14:56] <buZz> ?
[14:56] <zgreg> IIRC it was NXP that claimed it
[14:56] <buZz> mru: hm ok
[14:57] <zgreg> ok, not quite, they say "32-bit performance in a 16-bit footprint"
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[14:58] <jcdutton> Is there a version of kernel 3.5.x that works on the pi?
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[14:58] <chithead> jcdutton: no, only 3.1 (official kernel), 3.2 (bootc) and 3.3 (openwrt)
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[14:59] <jcdutton> what prevents pi support in mainline?
[14:59] <bircoe> the kernel used on the current OpenElec build is 3.2.26 (as of todays git tree)
[14:59] <techsurvivor> someone has to patch all the changes into the new kernel
[14:59] <zgreg> jcdutton: crappy drivers with no chance of getting into mainline
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[15:00] <techsurvivor> there's that too
[15:00] <zgreg> for instance the SDHCI DMA part
[15:01] <zgreg> the SDHCI controller doesn't use normal DMA (ADMA/SDMA), but a very strange PIO-like DMA method
[15:01] <jcdutton> zgreg, so just drivers, no core kernel bits.
[15:03] <jcdutton> zgreg, what will be easiest, backporting a driver that works in 3.5 and is broken in 3.1, or patching 3.5 with the SDHCI DMA part?
[15:03] <zgreg> well, anyway, there's work going on to get mainline support
[15:03] <zgreg> but it is not finished yet
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[15:04] <zgreg> https://github.com/lp0/linux/commits/rpi-linear
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[15:10] <jcdutton> zgreg, thank you.
[15:11] <jcdutton> zgreg, I will see if I can get that booting
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[15:31] <MasterGeek> ACTION is away: IRC is just multiplayer notepad for geeks that dont give a fuck about leaving kit switched on 24 -7
[15:31] <buZz> :)
[15:31] <buZz> so true
[15:31] <drazyl> he's just jealous that he's losing
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[15:33] <markllama> yeah.
[15:33] * markllama just agrees to be agreeable
[15:33] * markllama hopes he didn't just volunteer for something
[15:34] <buZz> markllama: hey i need a beta tester
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[15:34] <buZz> >:)
[15:34] <markllama> err.. for?
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[15:39] <drogon> any gpl/open source experts here?
[15:39] <SolderPI> no
[15:39] <SolderPI> oops wrong window
[15:39] <SolderPI> and no I'm not a expert in either
[15:40] <buZz> markllama: nothing really, just trying to get you to volunteer for something
[15:40] <drogon> I'm looking to release some code (a library) but I want to be able to dual-license it so I can sell support for it...
[15:40] <TheBrayn> which webserver do you use on the rpi?
[15:40] <drogon> thinking of releasing it under gpl3 as well as a commercial license...
[15:40] <markllama> I may need volunteers at some point but I'm still cogitating
[15:40] <buZz> drogon: i think you can sell support for any software
[15:40] <buZz> regardless of license
[15:40] <drogon> just pondering thoughts on it really.
[15:40] <TheBrayn> I'm looking for something lightweight
[15:40] <drogon> buzz sure...
[15:41] <markllama> drogon: You can offer services (support) for anything regardless of license.
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[15:41] <drogon> yea, maybe I'm just being a bit too "tight" with the code though - gplv3 rather than lgpl2, etc.
[15:41] <drogon> (this isn't wiringPi fwiw)
[15:41] <buZz> gplv3 is not so terrible
[15:42] <buZz> but imho, we all need to move to WTF license :)
[15:42] <drogon> :)
[15:42] <buZz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL
[15:42] <stain> drogon: if you dual-license, then any contributions you get back, like patches, will have to be from contributors who sign over the rights to you, otherwise you can't redistribute their patches in the commercial code
[15:42] <drogon> I guess my aim would be to allow enthusiasts, etc. to use my code as it is but to limit their ability to generate revenue from it...
[15:43] <stain> many companies give you commercial support for GPL code
[15:43] <stain> for instance: Redhat
[15:43] <buZz> drogon: man, thats impossible
[15:43] <drogon> stain, not much of an issue I think.
[15:43] <buZz> drogon: like if you make Gimp, you cant prevent ppl making shitloads of money with nice artwork they draw in uit
[15:43] <buZz> drogon: also, imho its VERY immoral to _want_ this
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[15:43] <drogon> buZz, I understand that, but this is a library, not a program.
[15:43] <buZz> still
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[15:44] <buZz> what makes you better than me?
[15:44] <stain> you would need to distribute it as a non-free license then. Part of the freedom of opensource is that you give people to do what they want, usually as long as they stay with the same license
[15:44] <drogon> buZz, imorral to want to earn money from my work? I don't think so...
[15:44] <buZz> if your support for your library is stupid
[15:44] <buZz> and i have better support
[15:44] <buZz> why are you blocking that support for YOUR code?
[15:44] <drogon> because I want money to support it.
[15:44] <buZz> thats fine
[15:44] <buZz> but why block others?
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[15:44] <TheBrayn> because they might be better
[15:45] <drogon> gpl3 won't block others from selling support for it.
[15:45] <TheBrayn> ;)
[15:45] <buZz> TheBrayn: yeah, so he wants to fuck his users
[15:45] <TheBrayn> sure
[15:45] <buZz> this will not make your library popular
[15:45] <drogon> like mysql isn't popular?
[15:45] <buZz> drogon: are you also going to block outputting google-able error messages?
[15:45] <TheBrayn> unless you are working at apple, ubisoft or ea
[15:45] <stain> if you do a library as GPL, then any commercials users of that would also need to distribute their thing as GPL - which is probably your intention, so that they come to you for a commercial license
[15:45] <buZz> anyone can do mysql support
[15:45] <TheBrayn> especially apple :>
[15:45] <drogon> buZz, what? it's just a library of code.
[15:45] <Hodapp> ...well, MySQL is a bad example since it became a lot less popular after Oracle fucked it up.
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[15:46] <buZz> drogon: your library never has errors?
[15:46] <stain> I would go for the author for support, if (s)he/they are up to it. Go for the source, man!
[15:46] <buZz> stain: of course
[15:46] <stain> possibly just hire the guy
[15:46] <buZz> but not BLOCK any other guy from helping you
[15:46] <drogon> my aim would be to sell commercial users the code under a differnet license - one that tehy could then take and use as they saw fit (but not sell the code)
[15:46] <buZz> imho thats really stupid
[15:47] <stain> well, you are free to distribute your code as you please, as long as it is your copyright
[15:47] <stain> so that would not affect the GPL version at all
[15:47] <buZz> well
[15:47] <stain> as long as you keep other contributions out of your commercial edition
[15:47] <drogon> the code is actually written - I'm not lookinh for community support for it. I'm already using it in commercial projects.
[15:47] <buZz> someone could also just fork your GPL version
[15:47] <buZz> and give support for it
[15:47] <drogon> buZz, that's fine by me.
[15:47] <stain> buZz: yes, but they would be hampered by GPL, drogon can sell them under any-license
[15:48] <drogon> I'm just looking to release it for others to use if they want to.
[15:48] <stain> particularly US companies have lawyers who just freak out if they see GPL anywhere
[15:48] <drogon> I'm not intersted in the US - I live in the UK.
[15:48] <stain> so you won't sell to US companies?
[15:48] <drogon> I'm already selling and maintaining this code - all I'm after is looking at a way to allow others to use it without the burden of commerce.
[15:49] <MasterGeek> thats fine unless you take commits under gpl and implement the gpl fixes in the commercial kinda breaks the chain of trust
[15:49] <stain> the software I'm working on is LGPL, and some pharmaseutical companies was very worried about that - they had not read the license and seen that any extensions they do they could then distribute as they please
[15:49] <stain> drogon: just pump it out as GPL3 then
[15:50] <stain> works for mySQL
[15:50] <stain> well
[15:50] <stain> until they got bought
[15:50] <stain> if that counts as works
[15:50] <buZz> we sold tshirts at a nerdparty couple of years ago
[15:50] <buZz> and if you release GPLv3 code at the event, you got a 50% discount ;)
[15:50] <markllama> I think the best way to keep people from "ripping you off" is to support it well and keep enhancing
[15:50] <buZz> many oneliners got pushed to GPLv3 that week :P
[15:50] <drogon> markllama, that's my plan.
[15:50] <markllama> then you don't need a restrictive license
[15:51] <drogon> ok. some intersting thoughts there, thanks.
[15:51] <buZz> ;)
[15:51] <markllama> In general, attempts to partially restrict have ended up in convoluted wierdness. See sleepycat db
[15:51] <drogon> stain, yea, I moved wiringPi to lgpl2 for that reason...
[15:52] <ziltro2> Why not LGPLv3?
[15:52] * drogon ponders.
[15:52] <drogon> Ah, it is v3.
[15:52] <drogon> doh!
[15:52] <markllama> you kind of have a choice: Open and accept the risks, or closed (yeah, there's some wiggle room)
[15:52] <acausal> hm, this hub really is dodgy. it doesnt work properly on a desktop either
[15:53] <stain> drogon: I think GPL3 will be the best choice for you if you want to keep that distinction, it is one of the strictest open source licenses, even requiring no-patents, and anyone linking to it would have to be GPL3 (or later) as well. If you want bigger uptake, then LGPL; protecting fixes/changes to your bit, but not caring about what is linked to it
[15:53] <acausal> oh well, it was cheap. and it still works as a couple of usb charge ports :P
[15:53] <MasterGeek> lol its not like your releasing photoshop, or 3dstudio max, its a tiny lib
[15:53] <stain> drogon: since you think there might be commercial actors that might use your code anyway on the open source license, then why not at least ensure they can't patent you away
[15:54] <drogon> yea, it's a tiny lib for ATmegas or PICs ...
[15:55] <MasterGeek> right, but coders writing code for such, im sure would be able to bang a lib together on the fly no ?
[15:57] <drogon> very probably, but I've had some home users/enthusiasts asking about it recently.
[15:57] <TheBrayn> https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools/blob/master/mkimage/imagetool-uncompressed.py this script is really awful
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[15:58] <ziltro2> Write it better then. :)
[15:58] <drogon> yea, it's open source, fork it ;-)
[15:58] <TheBrayn> there is a pull request which improves it
[15:59] <TheBrayn> but it seems like it is no longer needed
[15:59] <TheBrayn> But I doubt the person who wrote this knew much about python
[15:59] <stain> my god, is this written by a C-programmer?
[16:01] <stain> man, I Still don't understand what it does.. and I've coded python for 10 years
[16:01] <stain> he's looking for hex numbers
[16:01] <stain> then.. shifting them?
[16:01] <stain> 4 times
[16:01] <stain> uuh?
[16:02] <stain> he's extracting the bytes of the number
[16:02] <MasterGeek> i dont need the lib, im just saying that if its not millions of lines of code, then chances are its not going to need protection from commercial interests.
[16:02] <TheBrayn> stain: the worst part is the os.system
[16:02] <stain> hihi
[16:02] <stain> well, probably the binaries did not work well in readlines()!
[16:03] <stain> but hey, if it did the job.. good start
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[16:07] <mongrelion> Hi there o/
[16:08] <yehnan> hi
[16:08] <mongrelion> how are things going?
[16:08] <w0m> is there a definitive "use this wifi dongle" yet?
[16:08] <mongrelion> last night I left rpi compiling nodejs and I just woke up to see error writing to /tmp/foo.bar: no space left on device :D
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[16:09] <stain> but it's javascript, why does it need to be compiled?
[16:09] <stain> w0m: all of them seem to be 'get a usb hub'
[16:10] <w0m> which is what i'd like to avoid :/
[16:10] <mongrelion> stain: the v8 needs to be compiled.
[16:10] <TheFarfar> w0m: you can try and disable eth0
[16:10] <stain> I've seen someone use a very tiny one that just barely sticks out.. but don't know the brand
[16:10] <mongrelion> anyways, what's the best approach to fix the tmp issue? :/
[16:10] <TheFarfar> w0m: if there's problem with wifi
[16:10] <stain> TheBrayn: how do we do that? I guess it's not enough just to not load the kernel module?
[16:10] <drazyl> stain !!!
[16:11] <stain> drazyl..?
[16:11] <w0m> main ethernet shares bus iirc. I haven't ordered yet for my pi's;i guess i'll just go off wiki..
[16:11] <drazyl> (I suspect you mean a EW-7811 btw)
[16:11] <nid0> w0m, any cheap nano adaptor will work just fine
[16:11] <TheBrayn> stain: huh?
[16:11] <nid0> they all use rtl8188cu chipsets
[16:11] <nid0> which, with the addition of the right driver, all work no problems
[16:12] <stain> TheBrayn: sorry, you are the other The* person here ;)
[16:12] <TheBrayn> btw: did anyone write any asm for the rpi?
[16:12] <stain> drazyl: looks like it.. is it good?
[16:12] <TheBrayn> afaik arm assembly is much nicer than x86 asm so I would like to do some asm on the rpi
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[16:13] <w0m> x86 asm is a pita
[16:13] <drazyl> stain - haven't got mine working with the pi, but haven't put any real effort in as it's not a priority
[16:13] <markllama> x86 instruction set is a pita
[16:13] <stain> I put in a really old stick I had, and it worked, but blew the power out of the port as soon as I downloaded something
[16:13] <nid0> stain: that edimax is one of the many cheap nano adaptors that're all the same with an rtl8188cu chipset
[16:13] <TheBrayn> are there any armv6 asm instructions you can recommend?
[16:14] <nid0> there're cheaper and more expensive ones than the edimax, theyre all basically the same
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[16:14] <stain> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3//viewtopic.php?f=46&t=11309 seems to be a good thread about it
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[16:25] <w0m> looks like i'll be picking up a usb hub then; ideally one that can power the pi. Any first hand experience with such?
[16:26] <w0m> specifically, http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-4-Port-Hi-Speed-Mobile-F5U404-BLK/dp/B000SAB34O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1344349318&sr=8-1&keywords=F5U231
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[16:28] <markllama> Am I weird because I want to keep the Pi power supply separate from the hub power?
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[16:29] <mongrelion> you ain't
[16:29] <coin3d> i've got some problems with the "official" raspbian image from raspberrypi.org - e.g. the openssh server will not start and blocks the whole boot process
[16:29] <coin3d> anyone else experiencing the same behaviour?
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[16:29] <nid0> nope, what error do you get
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[16:29] <chithead> I think it needs to generate ssh server keys first
[16:30] <coin3d> chithead: thought so, too. i waited for about 15 minutes
[16:30] <nid0> w0m, what exactly is the problem with running a wifi dongle directly from the pi?
[16:30] <mongrelion> coin3d: I've been using raspbian since day 1. I've got a few problems while using a low class SD card.
[16:30] <mongrelion> after reboot it wouldn't boot up.
[16:31] <coin3d> mho, shit. whats a low class sd card?
[16:31] <chithead> you could try bypassing openssh init script and "dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server"
[16:31] <coin3d> ive got a 16gb transcend sdhc class 10 card here
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[16:31] <w0m> nid0: ordering first wifi dongle now; from reading; appears if i want to do heavy trasnfers i might want to use a powered port. For 10 bucks; i can pick up a powered hub and not think twice it appears (And gain more ports; as in wifi+thumbdrive+keyboard/mouse)
[16:32] <coin3d> mongrelion: the strange thing is that the "old" raspbian images, e.g. by hexxeh worked like a charm
[16:32] <nid0> w0m, none of that's true as long as you have a proper power supply for the pi itself
[16:32] <mongrelion> I got this rapsbian on Sunday.
[16:33] <nid0> w0m: assuming the pi is receiving its power properly it can deliver 140ma per usb port, which is more than ample for modern nano dongles
[16:33] <nid0> i've got 2 pis running with rtl8188cu dongles directly connected, and never had any power-related issues with them
[16:33] <coin3d> btw, another question: is it possible to build a raspberry kernel from the vanilla sources from kernel.org?
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[16:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> w0mI'm using http://www.amazon.com/SODIAL--MAINS-POWERED-ADAPTER-LAPTOP/dp/B008M4ONYA [or someing very similar from the uk]
[16:34] <nid0> coin3d: no
[16:34] <mru> according to usb spec, each port must supply 100mA no matter what
[16:34] <coin3d> or are the sources from github specially patched for the raspbbery?
[16:34] <mru> the attached device can request up to 500mA which may or may not be granted
[16:34] <coin3d> nid0: so i have to stick with kernel 3.1.9?
[16:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> coin3d https://github.com/raspberrypi
[16:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> for the moment yes
[16:35] <RaTTuS|BIG> unless you patch it all up
[16:35] <nid0> coin3d: there are other versions floating around, bootc has 3.2.23 available for example
[16:35] <nid0> http://www.bootc.net/projects/raspberry-pi-kernel/
[16:35] <chithead> 3.1.9 is the official kernel. bootc has 3.2.23 and openwrt is at 3.3.8
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[16:35] <chithead> https://github.com/bootc/linux/branches
[16:36] <mongrelion> coin3d: stick to raspbian...
[16:36] <w0m> nid0: ordering first wifi dongle now; from reading; appears if i want to do heavy trasnfers i might want to use a powered port. For 10 bucks; i can pick up a powered hub and not think twice it appears (And gain more ports; as in wifi+thumbdrive+keyboard/mouse)
[16:36] <w0m> err; bad up arrow**
[16:36] <chithead> https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/target/linux/brcm2708
[16:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> w0m always use a powered hub
[16:36] <nid0> w0m: your problem is that a $10 hub is likely to cause more problems with a pi than it solves
[16:36] <nid0> cheap hubs are often crap hubs
[16:36] <coin3d> lol, didn't even know that openwork supports raspberry chithead
[16:37] <w0m> I had a reply explaining my thought process; but pressed up and deleted it :(
[16:37] * mru likes the cheap hubs that supply power upstream
[16:37] <mru> totally non-spec
[16:37] <nid0> thats pretty much every cheap hub then :p
[16:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.amazon.com/SODIAL--MAINS-POWERED-ADAPTER-LAPTOP/dp/B008M4ONYA <- that back powers
[16:38] <chithead> and it "Ship From Hong Kong"
[16:39] <mongrelion> I want to increase my /tmp folder size. Is there any way to do it on the fly? like without rebooting?
[16:39] <w0m> 17-28day shipping for me o.0
[16:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> aha right - not used to using amazon us...
[16:39] <mru> mongrelion: is /tmp a tmpfs?
[16:39] <RaTTuS|BIG> mongrelion how much space have you got and why do you want to
[16:40] <mongrelion> I've got 44M (on the raspberry pi)
[16:40] <Hodapp> man, it's funny how many articles I come upon regularly that insist that $device is going to beat the Raspberry Pi
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[16:40] <mongrelion> and I'd like to have a little bit more because I'm not being able to compile ruby since the /tmp folder is getting full.
[16:40] <teus_> why won't "
[16:40] <teus_> GPIO.setup(4, GPIO.OUT)
[16:40] <teus_> "
[16:40] <teus_> work?
[16:41] <mongrelion> Hodapp: the idea is not to beat noone, right? the idea is to close the gap :)
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[16:41] <teus_> oh snap i need to define pin, and not gpio number
[16:41] <drogon> you might also need to be root?
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[16:44] <drogon> lots of devices will "beat up" the Raspberry Pi, but none of them are Raspberry Pi's!!!
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[16:44] <mongrelion> amen.
[16:44] <InControl> teus what version of the GPIO library have you installed ?
[16:44] <Hodapp> though it does strike me kind of like all the devices touted as iPod or iPad or iPhone killers
[16:45] <w0m> more a commendation on the rpi hipe than on the competing devices themselves
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[16:46] <InControl> teus_: RPi.GPIO 0.3.1a or RPi.GPIO 0.2.0 ?
[16:46] <markllama> yeah. "Folks. The Pi is designed to be a cheap classroom computer. End Of Message"
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[16:46] <teus_> nevermind InControl
[16:46] <Hodapp> I do like however after the iPad came out how many cheap Android tablets hit the market
[16:46] <teus_> i was referring to GPIO number instead of pin
[16:47] <MasterGeek> a cheap classroom computer ? to teach wut ?
[16:48] <mru> binary blobs
[16:48] <w0m> MasterGeek: programming; or basic robotics; or anything
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[16:49] <Hodapp> something besides shitty-faux-OO C++ >_>
[16:49] * Hodapp runs
[16:49] <chithead> python is the new BASIC
[16:50] <techsurvivor> python is a far better language than basic ever was
[16:50] <mongrelion> no programming language flame, please /o\
[16:50] <w0m> I learned c++ as a 'starter' language. still torn whether python would have been better. I consider java a pretty crappy starter language
[16:50] <techsurvivor> ruby is pretty cool too
[16:51] <TheBrayn> I compiled a hello world program on ubuntu using "arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc-4.6 -march=armv6j -mfpu=vfp -o test test.c" and copied it to the rpi
[16:51] <Hodapp> Java... is okay, except for it being Java.
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[16:51] <Hodapp> It has some pros, but a large bag of cons.
[16:51] <TheBrayn> but on the rpi all I get is "cannot execute binary file"
[16:51] <techsurvivor> i actually like c++ , and sorry, no flaming heh
[16:51] <zgreg> c++ is definitely not a good beginner's programming language
[16:51] <w0m> I don't think i like the OO overhead as basic introduction to programming; makes it seem worse than it is
[16:51] <drazyl> Forth
[16:51] <techsurvivor> it is too much to swallow when you're new, I agree
[16:52] <Hodapp> It is too much for anyone to swallow, and the man who created it even said that.
[16:52] <MasterGeek> Should just force 6 yo's to learm assembly then
[16:52] <techsurvivor> If you have some other programming background then you should be okay with a book like accelerated c++, which I think is a great starting book
[16:52] <w0m> get a few decent programs under your belt then show how those programs could be made better with OO; starting with oo just seems arbitrary then
[16:52] <Hodapp> If you have some other programming background, you probably know a better language to use.
[16:52] <techsurvivor> i started with basic ;)
[16:53] <w0m> technically i started with TI-Basic of all things
[16:53] <Hodapp> I started with BASIC too. It took me awhile to un-learn it.
[16:53] <w0m> gotos ftw
[16:53] <TheBrayn> drazyl: APL
[16:53] <techsurvivor> gosub
[16:53] <booyaa> can we talk to gpio via scratch yet?
[16:53] <techsurvivor> what is scratch?
[16:53] <w0m> did give me basic concept of a control structure though at least
[16:53] <zgreg> I still remember the commodore basic V3.5 :)
[16:53] <booyaa> visual programming language for kids
[16:54] <booyaa> comes bundled with official distro
[16:54] <techsurvivor> i learned on trs 80
[16:54] <techsurvivor> and coco
[16:54] <booyaa> made by cmu?
[16:54] <techsurvivor> ah, never used it heh
[16:54] <w0m> sitting in math class ignoring teacher in 8th grade programming tiny little crappy basic games on the calc directly; ah the good old days..
[16:54] <techsurvivor> ooo pretty interface :)
[16:54] <booyaa> still amazed by what people can do with a graph calc
[16:55] <w0m> all the good stuff was done in c
[16:55] <mru> the good stuff was done in assembler
[16:55] <w0m> which i failed miserably at understanding as a tween
[16:55] * mru did some hacking directly in machine code
[16:55] <mru> on the calc
[16:55] <zgreg> basic V3.5 totally ruled, compared to the lousy V2.0 on the C64
[16:55] <drogon> I started on BASIC...
[16:55] <mikma> i had an vision of manual button that sends "shutdown -h now" signal to raspi via gpio (car multimedia)
[16:56] <mru> mikma: you could simply remove power
[16:56] <mru> a well-designed system should cope with that
[16:56] <w0m> mru: that's cheating though
[16:56] <drogon> mikma, easilly done if you want that - need to dedicate a GPIO pin though.
[16:56] <mikma> mru: i never remove power without 'shutdown -h now' first
[16:57] <mru> not even by accident?
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[16:57] <drogon> mru, ext4 is reasobably robust, but not perfect...
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[16:57] <markllama> heh, yeah, power off on any *nix without shutdown is a recipe for frustration and self-loathing
[16:57] <drogon> it was never designed to be perfect in view of "pulling the plug" ...
[16:57] <mru> markllama: depends on what the system is doing
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[16:58] <mru> I wouldn't do it with my workstation or server
[16:58] <markllama> in general it's a bad idea if you can avoid it.
[16:58] <drazyl> mostly it'll be fine, but when it goes wrong it tends to go wrong big time
[16:58] <mru> what's this thing going to be doing in the car?
[16:58] <mikma> drogon: yeah, i was thinking about a dedicated gpio pin + confirmation box that'll pop up when you press the button
[16:59] * drazyl had a vm have the storage pulled on it whilst running, lost pretty much the entire disk
[16:59] <mikma> mru: displaying movies and playing music through car amplifier
[16:59] <mru> so not much writing to storage
[16:59] <drogon> mikma, conformation box - ah, car PC - LCD display type thing?
[16:59] <MichelleZ> do you need write access to the FS, can you mount it readonly? then pulling the plug should not be able to damage much
[16:59] <mikma> drogon: yeap
[16:59] <mru> you can probably even keep the main system fs read only
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[17:00] <techsurvivor> booya did you see this forum post about scratch ? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=8836
[17:00] <mikma> drogon: bluetooth receiver + logitech dinivo mini
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[17:00] <drogon> I did some experiments years ago about trying to keep as much as possible read only - with separate partitions. So /, /usr was easy, but /etc was a bit harder but not ipossible.
[17:00] <drogon> if you had a partition for e.g. /media then that could be r/o except when adding new music/vids.
[17:00] <mru> writes to /etc should be rare
[17:00] <mikma> or maybe the cheaper one, prodige version of dinivo
[17:00] <drogon> that leaves /var - log files and so on.
[17:01] <mru> it doesn't matter if log files get trashed
[17:01] <drogon> mru, I think its rarer now - this was back in sunOs/Solaris days...
[17:01] <markllama> There are specific guidelines I think for RO OS stuff for net boot
[17:01] <mikma> wlan + bluetooth in the car pc -> drive infront of the house and copy fresh music from the home lan :D
[17:01] <mongrelion> what's the point on keeping them read only?
[17:01] <techsurvivor> booyaa: from same forum topic there is a blog from someone who has been experimenting with scratch/python http://cymplecy.wordpress.com/2012/07/20/how-i-got-scratch-talking-to-my-raspberry_pi/
[17:02] <drogon> mongrelion, in the case of a PC that might be power cycled at random - keep as much as possible in RAM or "read mostly"
[17:03] <MichelleZ> you could always have a back up battery/super cap and a ext voltage detection circuit so that it asserts a GPIO on a power fail (but runs on backup) then gracefully shuts down, should be pretty easy to do
[17:04] <drogon> you may find there's a "car on" sense wire system anyway - so if you could monitor that, use it to halt and drop a relay holding power to the Pi...
[17:05] <drogon> a shutdown pi will take as much current as a running one ...
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[17:05] <techsurvivor> MichelleZ: good idea, I like supercaps ;)
[17:06] <MichelleZ> yea but if you are using a supercap that does not really matter, it will just discharge, a battery however in that situation is not such a good idea
[17:06] <techsurvivor> it's pretty easy to sense loss of power and then initiate system shutdown with a script + cron
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[17:06] <MichelleZ> a cap, a diode, a handfull of resistors and a fet should so that
[17:07] <MichelleZ> oh and a 5v regulator ;-)
[17:07] <techsurvivor> or just a script that runs once every 5 seconds or something
[17:07] <drogon> I sort of prefer a more mechanical approach, but maybe that's just me ... possibly because it's what I did 25 years ago...
[17:08] <techsurvivor> i've built a system like michelle mentioned, but we had a battery and not a supercap, i've been wanting to use one ;)
[17:08] <drogon> any excuse :)
[17:08] <techsurvivor> it wasn't linux either, but we had to write out sensor data properly as long as we could
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[17:08] <techsurvivor> when battery voltage drooped to much, we initiated shutdown to tie off loose ends
[17:09] <techsurvivor> dropped*
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[17:10] <MichelleZ> tbh in a car,as drogon already said there should be a sense wire anyway. On the ISO radio plug there should be a +12 constant and a +12 ignition
[17:10] <MichelleZ> you need to confg the relay as a latch controlled from the pi, but that will also work. Might require a kernel mod so when the system is halted it assets/deasserts the GPIO to release the latch
[17:10] <drogon> MichelleZ, that's what I used - the ignition closed a relay which booted the computer 6502 based!) and then an output on the computer fed th relay via a diode from the +12 constant...
[17:11] <drogon> so the computer could turn itself off by dropping the output, opening the relay.
[17:11] <drogon> wonder what value supercap might be needed to keep a Pi running for 10 seconds ...
[17:14] <drogon> hm not cheap. 14F capacitor for ?14 ..
[17:14] <MichelleZ> 1F super cap at 12v at 700mA discharge will be a 6.6 V after 10seconds
[17:15] <techsurvivor> well in emergency cases you could just kill -9 and properly unmount the file systems lol
[17:15] <drogon> just seen a 150F cap... ?35 though...
[17:15] <drogon> only 2.5 v..
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[17:15] <techsurvivor> use cheaper super cap :)
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[17:16] <techsurvivor> the main thing is to not corrupt the file system in most cases
[17:16] <drogon> depending on what I was doing, I'd be tempted to run it in RAM..
[17:16] <techsurvivor> also split up critical files from non critical and put them on read only partition might be useful, never tried on linux though
[17:16] <drogon> I used to build little 'embeded' PCs to run asterisk and ran it entirely from RAM.
[17:17] <drogon> load an initrd.gz into ramdisk and.. well, just leave it there!
[17:17] <techsurvivor> you can always mount a ram file system and prevent even more stuff from getting corrupted
[17:17] <techsurvivor> i did that
[17:17] <techsurvivor> anyway interested talk on building a robust system heh
[17:17] <drogon> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[17:17] <drogon> /dev/ram0 136M 84M 52M 62% /
[17:17] <techsurvivor> start a new distro "Bullet Proof Rpi"
[17:18] <drogon> the problem with that is you run out of RAM ):
[17:18] <techsurvivor> that's a problem with lots of embedded systems
[17:18] <drogon> especially if you wanted something like X and all the eye candy to go with it.
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[17:18] <techsurvivor> i usually don't , I run x remotely over the network, and it's much less load :D
[17:19] * Hodapp <3 network X
[17:20] <MichelleZ> so i did some more experiements with the funcube dongle, (its basicly looks like a soundcard running at 2 channels 96khz) and the PI can read from that fine at full speed but will suddenly stop and the USB locks up
[17:20] <drogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/6502front.jpg <-- one of my 6502 based car computers!
[17:20] <techsurvivor> another thing i found if it helps anyone, I hang my raspberry pi up on the wall and the wireless works a lot better than on the floor
[17:20] <MichelleZ> i'm still useing eeprom like that ;-/
[17:21] <drogon> it was actually a prototype for an industrial control board I designed way back...
[17:21] <drogon> it hooked to the IO board with relays, darlington drivers, etc.
[17:21] <drogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/6502back.jpg if you want a fright ;-)
[17:21] <MichelleZ> heh
[17:22] <mru> that looks rather tidy
[17:22] <drogon> I did a lot of stuff in wire wrap then..
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[17:22] <Gabtendo> Hey
[17:22] <drogon> probably a dying art now...
[17:22] <techsurvivor> that looks great compared to my wirewrap projects
[17:22] <Gabtendo> I just got my raspi in the mail
[17:22] <Gabtendo> like
[17:22] <Gabtendo> 2 minutes ago
[17:22] <techsurvivor> they always looked like a rats nest
[17:22] <Gabtendo> I can use the hdmi input on my laptop and use my laptop screen for now, right?
[17:22] <drogon> Gabtendo, so stop chatting here and get it plugged in and going! :)
[17:23] <drogon> Gabtendo, er is it an input on the latop or an output?
[17:23] <Gabtendo> *input*
[17:23] <MichelleZ> so i've ruled out power as being my USB problem as powed hub or not it does the same, iffy usb drivers?
[17:23] <cornflake> input
[17:23] <techsurvivor> wirewrap was great for prototyping when throughold was the big thing :)
[17:23] <drogon> wow. laptop with an hdmi input... new one on me! Go for it then...
[17:23] <Gabtendo> I have both an input and an output, I'm asking, if I'm already running windows (ugh) on the laptop, will it even do anything when I hook the hdmi in to my raspi
[17:23] <techsurvivor> it could have a comeback with breakout boards ;)
[17:24] <techsurvivor> i've never heard of a laptop with hdmi IN
[17:24] <techsurvivor> but i'm not that smart either
[17:24] <drogon> techsurvivor, possibly... I used an electric wirewrap 'gun' then... hated the manual/hand ones.
[17:24] <techsurvivor> yeah, a lot faster
[17:25] <drogon> I guess it might make sense if it was a 'media' laptop? hook up external players, etc... ?
[17:25] <cornflake> yeah some higher end laptops now have hdmi inputs
[17:25] <Gabtendo> yeah it's a higher-end laptop
[17:25] <Gabtendo> but
[17:25] <techsurvivor> are you sure it goes IN ? :) if so I don't see why the rpi wouldn't work on it
[17:25] <Gabtendo> not the question >.>
[17:25] <Gabtendo> I mean
[17:25] <cornflake> it will work fine Gabtendo
[17:25] <Gabtendo> it says "HDMI IN"
[17:25] <cornflake> that's what it's for
[17:25] <cornflake> just do it!
[17:25] <cornflake> it works like that Gabtendo
[17:25] <techsurvivor> do it for great justice
[17:26] <cornflake> i've used plenty of hdmi inputs on laptops, starting to see them more and more
[17:26] <cornflake> actually pretty handy
[17:26] <techsurvivor> i'm too poor to afford high end laptop, my ultrabook broke my hobby budget for a year
[17:27] <Gabtendo> HOLY FUCKING SHIT
[17:27] <Gabtendo> IT WORKS
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[17:27] <nid0> pff, my other half's balking at me wanting a nexus 7 :<
[17:27] <Gabtendo> :OOOOO
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[17:28] <Gabtendo> HERP DERP
[17:29] <cornflake> why would it
[17:29] * Gabtendo rubs to grab the keyboard he bought for the raspi
[17:29] <Gabtendo> cornflake: no reason, it just was my reaction when seeing a login prompt on my laptop screen
[17:29] <cornflake> lol i do that all the time on my work bench
[17:29] <cornflake> also, synergy<3
[17:30] <drogon> Heh.. just checked RS for wirewrap stuff - discontinued )-:
[17:31] <drogon> And at the same time RS have just followed me on twitter!
[17:31] <drogon> hm. best tweet something!
[17:31] <drogon> bang the rocks together guys...
[17:31] <ladoga> [6~[5~[6~[5~[5~[6~[5~[6~[6~[5~[5~[5~[6~[6~
[17:33] <drogon> ladoga, I think your arrow keys aren't working..
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[17:36] <Gabtendo> bahahahahah
[17:36] <Gabtendo> these LEDs on the raspi are sexy
[17:36] <booyaa> what the smd?
[17:36] <booyaa> ones
[17:37] <aphadke> Gabtendo: the pi is sexy :)
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[17:38] <Gabtendo> 3.141592653589793238462643383279
[17:38] <booyaa> you missed a bit
[17:38] <Gabtendo> pi is sexy and he knows it.
[17:38] <Craig`> hey, I was wondering if the raspberry pi would be appropriate for connecting a printer/external hard drive to and accessing them from other machines on the network
[17:38] <booyaa> what like a file print server?
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[17:39] <Craig`> booyaa: basically.
[17:39] <booyaa> if so yes, pretty certain elinux's rpi wiki as a recipe for using samba to achieve this
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[17:39] <Craig`> it's just for my grandparents
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[17:41] <jordanscales> anyone here order a pibow? placed an order about 3 weeks ago but haven't heard anything
[17:42] <drogon> Craig`, it would work, but it might be a bit 'clunky' - the performance of it as a file server over Ethernet isn't going to be stellar - only one USB bus and some reports that heavy transfers between usb storage and ethernet (also on the USB) cause problems...
[17:43] <Craig`> I see, the main reason they want it is for printing from a laptop as it's not a wireless printer.
[17:43] <booyaa> Craig`: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_NAS this uses samba, prolly be able to expose a CUPS printer as a samba printer too
[17:43] <Craig`> thanks
[17:45] <drogon> Everything is possible with a Linux box... but sometimes you might be better off with one of the little appliances that do it just for simplicitys sake - e.g. a lot of routers now have USB ports for printers or drives...
[17:46] <booyaa> ^-- agreed
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[17:46] <Craig`> for the file server it'd mainly just be a few standard def. tv rips
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[17:46] <booyaa> give it a go, i suspect your grandparents aren't heavy users right?
[17:47] <booyaa> make sure you addd a port forward so you can ssh back into the pi if you need to fix it
[17:47] <booyaa> prot fowrard on their router obvs
[17:47] <Craig`> that's a good idea.
[17:47] <Craig`> i'll probably do that
[17:47] <Craig`> but no, they're not heavy users.
[17:47] <ladoga> drogon: arrows work fine, thanks..i was just laying on the couch and fell a sleep over the keyboard:)
[17:47] <booyaa> ladoga: lolz
[17:47] <ladoga> no idea what key combo that was
[17:47] <Craig`> like i say it's mainly a printer server, maybe once in a blue moon watching some avi files
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[17:48] <booyaa> who sells vesa mount compatible pi cases?
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[17:50] <drogon> ladoga, :)
[17:50] <drogon> Craig`, just stick a big SD card in then..
[17:51] <Craig`> drogon: I don't have a large one, though they do have an external hard drive already.
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[17:53] <drogon> Craig`, ok.
[17:53] <ldiamond> is the software for SoC on the r-pi open source?
[17:54] <mjr> "some"
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[17:56] <mrtux> hello
[17:56] <chithead> if the print server should also do rasterizing, be sure to use a hardfp distro
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[17:59] <ldiamond> "some" as in only a few static parts are closed source, the rest is open? Or most of it is closed and if broadcom decides to drop support there's nothing much we can improve ourself
[18:00] <Craig`> could I use the raspberry pi for recording phone audio? (rj11 to some of the rpi ports and then decode it somehow, i'm a novice in this area)
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[18:00] <chithead> there is no analog input on the rpi
[18:01] <ldiamond> Craig`, you'd need to create an interface (even if there's an analog input)
[18:02] <Craig`> so would interfacing the rpi with my arduino be the best way to go about this?
[18:02] <ldiamond> I dunno about arduino, I made a board myself. If you have an old modem around you can get the audio trans from there.
[18:02] <ziltro2> s/could I/should I/
[18:03] <ldiamond> In the end you'll get an analog audio output
[18:03] <coin3d> what is a good wifi usb stick for the raspberry?
[18:03] <ldiamond> now to put this on the r-pi, just use a a2d.
[18:03] <coin3d> I've got a to-link TL-WN821N here, but it doesn't work (at least not in raspbian)
[18:04] <Craig`> there's a few things I was wanting to do with the rpi, say phone recorder, ethernet data logger etc, would I need other to interface to do tasks like this?
[18:04] <swecide> ziltro2: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6256
[18:04] <swecide> oh sorry,.. I meant coin3d ;)
[18:05] <ldiamond> Craig`, for phone recorder yes, definitely. A phone line is not electronics friendly.
[18:05] <Lasse^> phone record, and ethernet logging, is too quite difference things..
[18:06] <ldiamond> Craig`, Ethernet data logger, depends if you manage to have your router copy packets to your r-pi
[18:06] <Craig`> Lasse^: sorry i'm just brainstorming at the moment, I don't know how to do either, i'd have to research the area.
[18:06] <ldiamond> then you can code something to log to sd/usb
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[18:07] <ldiamond> Craig`,
[18:07] <ldiamond> http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/27/how-to-build-a-telephone-recording-circuit-from-an-old-modem/
[18:08] <ldiamond> The output is an audio analog signal. Check the signal range, get the correct a2d converter and you can pipe this to a digital input on the pi
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[18:08] <ldiamond> I personally just pipe it to my PC and open it in Audacity
[18:10] <Craig`> ldiamond: awesome thanks.
[18:11] <ldiamond> though from the digital input on the pi, you'll need to encode the raw data into something. WAV I think is the simplest, but you can use something like ffmpeg to encode to mp3
[18:11] <drogon> use a USB soundcard...
[18:12] <ldiamond> drogon, not sure if it would be any easier.
[18:12] <drogon> ldiamond, it would remoe the whole A/D conversion stage, once you have the audio out of the phone line...
[18:13] <Craig`> that would work
[18:13] <ldiamond> that step is quite straight forward though
[18:13] <Craig`> i'm just thinking of portable things that would be cool
[18:13] <ldiamond> but sure you can do that.
[18:13] <drogon> you could go completely overboard and use an ATA (Analogue Terminal Adapter) to convert the call to SIP, feed it into asterisk and record it via asterisk, but .......
[18:13] <ldiamond> just way more costly
[18:14] <drogon> portable is harder, but not impossible. Trucall is asmall device, but it costs abotu ?100 ... IIRC
[18:14] <Craig`> a compact device that can be used for monitoring calls/activity, it would make me feel like a spy.
[18:14] <ldiamond> that's quite easy to do.
[18:14] <ldiamond> If you want a challenge make one that doesn't require direct connection
[18:14] <ldiamond> i.e. just wraps around the wire to tap it.
[18:15] <Exposure> hmm is it possible to use lcdproc with a lcd connected to gpio on the rpi?
[18:15] <Craig`> that sounds real interesting
[18:15] <Craig`> the thing is though, ldiamond, i'm just starting in electronics so I have no idea how i'd do that type of thing, and I don't want to google it exactly, rather work my way up to that from the ground up.
[18:15] <ldiamond> well, keep it simple then.
[18:16] <Craig`> yeah that's what I'm planning to do, it's just where I start I find the problem.
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[18:22] <drogon> ldiamond, there used to be a little pick-up coil that you could sucker onto old telephones to pickup the audio and then recort it into the micrphone input of a tape recorder...
[18:22] <drogon> however for just the wires, I'm not sure you'll get enough emissions to pick up directly.
[18:23] <drogon> in the UK, it's perfectly legal to record a phone call as long as at lease ONE party to the call knows it's being recorded.
[18:23] <ziltro2> Which is of course wrong.
[18:23] <techsurvivor> you can do that in some states here as well
[18:23] <ziltro2> All parties should know and have agreed to make it right.
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[18:23] <drogon> ziltro2, best not call me then...
[18:24] <IT_Sean> yaHooo
[18:24] <drogon> you forgot the !
[18:24] <IT_Sean> !
[18:24] <drogon> :)
[18:24] <drogon> Isn't! Everything! Yahoo! does! followed! by! an !! mark! ?
[18:25] <drogon> There is a town in the UK that has an ! in it's name. Just the one AIUI.
[18:25] <IT_Sean> Is! It! ?!
[18:25] <drazyl> ziltro2 - so you are a dodgy company, I want to record the rubbish you try and fob me off, and I have to get you to agree to it first?
[18:25] <IT_Sean> What town?
[18:25] <ziltro2> It is something Ho!
[18:25] <drazyl> Plymouth Ho! ?
[18:25] <drogon> Westward Ho!
[18:26] <ziltro2> That's the one
[18:26] <drogon> It's Plymouth Hoe ..
[18:26] <IT_Sean> Land ho! ?
[18:26] <drogon> IT_Sean, maybe I just read The! Register! too much! ... :)
[18:26] <IT_Sean> Probably!.
[18:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> there are no towns in the UK with a ! in them .... ;-p
[18:26] <drazyl> That's! Not! Possible!!
[18:27] <drogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westward_Ho!
[18:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> I slob corrected
[18:28] <drogon> could be worse - might have been: Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!, Quebec,
[18:28] <IT_Sean> You are all insane
[18:28] <IT_Sean> You know that?
[18:28] <drogon> very probably.
[18:29] <ziltro2> I'm not insane.
[18:29] <ziltro2> My parents had me tested.
[18:29] <IT_Sean> Yes you are
[18:29] <ldiamond> Any decent cheap cases for the pi?
[18:30] <drazyl> Yes, the box it came in
[18:30] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
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[18:30] <Lasse^> http://elinux.org/RPi_Cases
[18:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Dull,+United+Kingdom&hl=en&ll=56.620827,-3.94392&spn=0.020801,0.054331&oq=Dull,+United+Kingdom&t=h&hnear=Dull,+Perth+and+Kinross,+United+Kingdom&z=15
[18:32] <drazyl> I was tested for insanity once, but the fish doing the testing couldn't operate the drawbridge correctly, and the rhubarb escaped
[18:33] <ldiamond> drazyl, you just made holes for ports in the box?
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[18:33] <drazyl> no, it sits in top and glowers at me
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[18:34] <drazyl> if I needed a case I'd carve it from pure titanium using a toothpick
[18:35] <ziltro2> A toothpick made of diamond?
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[18:35] <drazyl> no, herring
[18:36] <drogon> right time to go home.
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[18:36] <drogon> laters..
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[18:37] <ldiamond> I see that there's an android port for the raspberrypi, any idea how it's used?
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[18:38] <ldiamond> Do people somehow hook up a touch screen display?
[18:38] <Hodapp> ldiamond: I'm curious of the same. Mouse maybe?
[18:38] <ldiamond> does android really support mice?
[18:38] <ldiamond> or maybe they added support?
[18:38] <swecide> Im pretty sure 4.0 does
[18:39] <swecide> works on my phone with CM9, but I'm not sure if that is an actual CM-mod or something thats in the stock code
[18:39] <techsurvivor> shouldn't be too hard, it's all x,y coordinates, I don't see why they wouldn't support it. plus developers run it in emulators, so it would have to be able to handle mice in some capacity
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[18:40] <Hodapp> techsurvivor: multitouch might make it tricky.
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[18:41] <techsurvivor> yeah but other than zooming in, how much do you use multitouch? but yeah there must be some trick to that :)
[18:41] <techsurvivor> zooming* in/out
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[18:42] <techsurvivor> emulate that with third mouse wheel maybe
[18:42] <techsurvivor> er mouse wheel heh
[18:42] <techsurvivor> i don't know about a third one, one is enough
[18:42] <Hodapp> I've not coded enough on Android to know
[18:43] <techsurvivor> me either, but I know you can run it in emulation on your pc to test stuff, so i figured it had to have a way to use a mouse type interface :)
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[18:44] <cryptix> hi, im using my pi with archlinuxarm. is the h264 decoder usable with something different then xbmc?
[18:45] <techsurvivor> omxplayer
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[18:48] <cryptix> techsurvivor: thanks, do you know a repo that has it?
[18:48] <techsurvivor> eep missed your archlinux part, i don't know about it
[18:49] <techsurvivor> you'll have to ask someone else, I don't know if it's been built for archlinux
[18:49] <cryptix> okay. ill ask over in the alArm channel. thanks for the suggestion though
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[18:51] <ne2k> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LCD-MOUNT-Case-for-Raspberry-Pi-PCSL-Deluxe-Wafer-LCD-VESA-100-Mount-/280921730684 was someone looking for this?
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[18:52] <prpplague> ne2k: wow that is nice
[18:54] <trevorman> the modmypi cases have VESA mounting holes and they're cheaper *shrug*
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[19:10] <mikma> http://youtu.be/PK8dsAeMmPk?hd=1
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> and here we are again.
[19:33] <Hodapp> What?
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> where?
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[19:38] <gordonDrogon> techsurvivor, did you get the timing sorted? delayMicroseconds has a rather large minimum time of about 130uS.
[19:39] <techsurvivor> yeah, doing a directwrite with no sleeping is fastest by a long shot :)
[19:39] <techsurvivor> i didn't look at signal quality though
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[19:39] <techsurvivor> about 22Mhz
[19:41] <techsurvivor> is there a multipin write like say a register that writes to gpio0-7 ?
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[19:42] <techsurvivor> i'm kind of used to that with other processors
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[19:43] <techsurvivor> usually the "pinWrite" ends up being just a macro around some bit masking to write to a particular bit of the register
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> there's no multi-write in wiringPi -
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[19:45] <techsurvivor> okay, so I should make that myself :)
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> the bits in the registers aren't next to each other, so by the time you twiddle them to separate them out for one 32-bit write, you might as well set them invidiually.
[19:45] <techsurvivor> heh, i figured
[19:46] <techsurvivor> but i thought I'd ask
[19:46] <j3> hi
[19:46] <j3> i out the latest wheezy for pi on a 2gb sd card
[19:46] <Berry_HK> is wheezy still the fastest distri around? anything can happen in a few days
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> it has separate set and clear registers though, so no need to do the read/modify/write thing.
[19:46] <j3> but the pi wont start
[19:46] <j3> ok and pwr is on, no network
[19:46] <j3> any hints?
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> Berry_HK, the raspbian version of wheezy.
[19:46] <techsurvivor> i need to look at the processor more and see what it's shifting is, does it have a multishift or is it 1 bit per shift operation. that sort of thing
[19:46] <j3> openelec on a 8gb sd just works fine
[19:47] <j3> both sds are listed as compatible
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> it's a barell shifter - any number of shifts in one cycle.
[19:47] <mongrelion> I screwed something /o\ if I ./configure --prefix=/home/foo/bar and then I run make, and then accidentally I sudo make install and then cancel the action with control c, can I delete /home/foo/bar without problems?
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> mongrelion, generally, yes.
[19:47] <mongrelion> too late, I did it /o\
[19:47] <mongrelion> aah, nice :)
[19:49] <Berry_HK> does it make a difference if i take the BerryBoot or the image version?
[19:49] <techsurvivor> mongrelion read up on checkinstall and it will make life a little easier installing and uninstalling
[19:50] <mongrelion> I successfully compiled ruby on the rpi with rbenv \o/
[19:51] <sunkan> Anyone thought about whether it's good or bad to use tmpfs for /tmp in the pi? I guess it's like that now in raspbian since it seems to be the default in wheezy..
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[19:52] <raspbelion> \o/
[19:52] <raspbelion> ruby 1.9.3p194 (2012-04-20 revision 35410) [armv6l-linux-eabi]
[19:52] <plugwash> sunkan, it all depends on what the software you are using is using /tmp for
[19:53] <plugwash> some software puts tiny temporaries in /tmp these programs will be faster if /tmp is on tmpfs, however other programs store massive things in /tmp which will simply not fit in the Pi's memory
[19:53] <sunkan> plugwash: That is my conclusion too.. As long as you are aware and you don't happen to use programs that store big files there it should be mainly good.
[19:54] <raspbelion> that's true. Last night I left nodejs and ruby compiling, and suddenly the ruby compilation failed and rbenv moved the file to the /tmp folder, fulling it, so nodejs compilation ran out of space and everthing failed :C
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> generally programs ought to honour the TMP environment variable.
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> or use /tmp/ if it's not set.
[19:54] <sunkan> I'm keeping it for now.. Normally don't run out of memory yet anyway..
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> so sometimes I use /var/tmp when /tmp/ is in RAM.
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[19:57] <sunkan> gordonDrogon: On another note - I got my button to stop bouncing by adding the only cap I happened to have to test. Now only one interrupt is being triggered for every push of the button..
[19:58] <raspbelion> it's amazing how cheap in space raspbian arm packages are.
[19:59] <techsurvivor> like the 14MB smbclient I just installed? heh
[19:59] <raspbelion> is there any time limitation regarding the raspberry up time? I haven't turned it off since day 1 - Sunday afternoon.
[19:59] <techsurvivor> 37MB installed
[19:59] <Berry_HK> fuck.. .got a weird HDMI->DVI cable
[19:59] <Berry_HK> it blocks the USB
[19:59] <Berry_HK> strange
[19:59] <Berry_HK> now it works again
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> sunkan, ok - it's one way to make it work, I guess :)
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> raspbelion, no limit.
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> 18:59:28 up 1379 days, 21:05, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[20:03] <Berry_HK> i can use some help with wheezy
[20:03] <Berry_HK> to be honst
[20:03] <Berry_HK> +e
[20:04] <aphadke> once ICS wrks on pi, will i be able to watch netflix? what about camera support aka skype?
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> Berry_HK, what sort of help?
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> aphadke, the big thing it will need is GPU support...
[20:10] <aphadke> gordonDrogon: pi has the h/w, only need s/w support, right/
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[20:11] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: Doesn't the Broadcom version of Android have this?
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> didn't know there was a broadcom version of android...
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> as for hardware vs. software ... well, one mans hardware is another mans software :) the GPU is hardware, but it's programmable hardware.
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> it's actually an array of processors (I guess - most GPUs are)
[20:12] <Hodapp> http://androidpi.wikia.com/wiki/Android_Pi_Wiki - official android 4.0.3
[20:13] <phire> Somewhere around 14-20 processors
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[20:13] <gordonDrogon> intersting. Have to say, I'm not personally intersted in android however.
[20:14] <ziltro2> I want the other kind of android.
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> a paranoid android?
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[20:14] <ziltro2> Ooh no, not tha tkind.
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> or your plastic pal who's fun to be with ;-)
[20:15] <ziltro2> That sounds better...
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> (shar eand enjoy)
[20:15] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: you'll be the first one against the well when the revolution comes.
[20:15] <Hodapp> s/well/wall/
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, Heh...
[20:16] <Hodapp> I might be interested in running Android on it, but just as a "look what I can do!" demo and little else >_>
[20:16] <Hodapp> do want to try RISC OS though
[20:17] <ziltro2> I've got RISC OS on an A3020.
[20:17] <hotwings> Hodapp - if you want to try android for the 'look what i can do!' factor, prepare for disappointment
[20:18] <plugwash> the trouble with riscos on modern hardware is the lack of support for 26-bit mode
[20:18] <ziltro2> Can't you simply unplug some bits?
[20:18] <plugwash> there is a guy developing a tool to work arround this by emulating 26-bit code but no indication of when it will be released
[20:18] <ziltro2> Also 26 bits?!
[20:19] <ziltro2> Who thought of that?
[20:19] <plugwash> someone at acorn presumablly
[20:19] <plugwash> at least I think it was 26 bits
[20:19] <trevorman> yeah it was 26 bit
[20:19] <ziltro2> I thought they were 32-bit CPUs?
[20:20] <trevorman> PC + flags wedged into a single 32 bit register
[20:20] <plugwash> note: the data size was always 32-bit afaict so was the memory space for data, it was just the address space for program code that was limited AIUI
[20:20] <Hodapp> hotwings: sadly, a lot of Android has been that way with me.
[20:20] <Hodapp> hotwings: I recently threw my tablet out a window.
[20:20] <mru> 26-bit address space
[20:21] <Hodapp> from the fourth story.
[20:21] <mru> an int was always 32 bits
[20:21] <plugwash> it probablly made a lot of sense at the time, 4GB of ram on anything remotely consumable would have been a laughable idea at the time
[20:21] <plugwash> *anything remotely consumer-orientated
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> 25 years ago, a 26-bit address bus was considered huge...
[20:21] <trevorman> what plugwash said
[20:22] <ziltro2> 4GB hard disks were fairly far away too I should think
[20:22] <trevorman> they changed it in armv3 or something around then and added a compatibility mode but that got taken out
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> My A310 had 256KB of RAM and an early IDE drive - 20MB I think.
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> or was it 1MB of RAM.
[20:23] <Hodapp> I never had any real RISC OS machines.
[20:23] <Hodapp> I am just interested in the fact that the OS is still being developed.
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> I can't recall - I gave it away 10 years ago now - sort of wished I'd hung onto it, but...
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> developed by a small bunch of nutters, er enthusiasts, yes, enthusiasts ;-)
[20:24] <trevorman> DOS is still being developed. Doesn't mean it is something I'd want to run though :D
[20:24] <ziltro2> DOS has its uses. I'm sure. Some anyway.
[20:24] <ziltro2> Anyone porting FreeDOS to ARM? ;)
[20:25] <ziltro2> Probably need to make a BIOS first.
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> so do PDP11's... or they did last time I looked - well, emulators running under DOS talking to the same old hardware running the same old operating systems...
[20:25] <ziltro2> And it might have to be a 32-bit BOIS.
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[20:25] <trevorman> no point in porting it. no existing apps and you'd need to rework it massively anyway since DOS is very closely linked to the x86 architecture
[20:25] <ziltro2> Yes you'd have to re-compile every program. ;)
[20:25] <Berry_HK> gordonDrogon: i would like to install VICE so some N00b help
[20:26] <trevorman> the only niche OS that I'd consider would be Haiku
[20:27] <gordonDrogon> Berry_HK, that's the VIC/Pet emulator?
[20:28] <Berry_HK> yup
[20:29] <Berry_HK> i know that there are some limitations but i would like to give it a go
[20:30] * Hodapp kills ziltro2 and hides the body
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> have you tried to compile it yet?
[20:30] <ziltro2> Hey that's not friendly!
[20:30] <Berry_HK> just a n00b so i need to figure the make stuff out
[20:30] <Hodapp> don't we already have a glorified bootloader?
[20:30] <Hodapp> we don't need DOS :P
[20:31] <Berry_HK> did it before years ago
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> Berry_HK, ok, fetch it: mkdir vice ; cd vice ; wget http://www.zimmers.net/anonftp/pub/cbm/crossplatform/emulators/VICE/vice-2.2.tar.gz
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> Berry_HK, unpack it: zcat vice-2.2.tar.gz | tar xfB -
[20:31] <Berry_HK> ok hold up
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> Berry_HK, cd vice-2.2
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> Berry_HK, ./configure
[20:32] <ziltro2> What's wrong with the idea of ARM DOS???
[20:34] <trevorman> :P
[20:34] <Berry_HK> let me hold that in the queue need to do some other things first sshd etc
[20:34] <ziltro2> As long as it runs COBOL...
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> ziltro2, sudo apt-get install open-cobol
[20:35] <Hodapp> isn't U-Boot close enough?
[20:36] <hotwings> [11:18:30] <Hodapp> hotwings: sadly, a lot of Android has been that way with me. <-- yup. i dunno why some people think android is anything new/better/amazing
[20:36] <trevorman> s/android/ipad/g
[20:37] <Hodapp> trevorman: Probably because the iPad was just about the first marketed tablet that wasn't just a laptop with the keyboard cut off and a stylus added.
[20:37] <hotwings> os != hardware
[20:38] <trevorman> mhm
[20:38] <hotwings> thats something else i dont get.. why people constantly try to compare android with an iphone.. or ipad.
[20:38] <Berry_HK> now what? "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 32 not upgraded.
[20:38] <Berry_HK> "
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:39] <trevorman> I'm not but thats usually the argument whenever it comes up. iOS/Android sucks! iOS/Android is totally better!
[20:39] <trevorman> I've had multiple iOS devices and Android devices. No real feelings either way. Both have worked well for me.
[20:39] <Berry_HK> gordonDrogon: thanks
[20:40] <trevorman> I even quite like WebOS but on the Touchpad. No clue how well it works on a phone.
[20:40] <Hodapp> hotwings: uh, because Android and iOS devices compete for people's money.
[20:41] <hotwings> ok, let me rephrase... i dont get why people constantly try to compare an os with a piece of hardware
[20:41] <Hodapp> hotwings: because that piece of hardware runs approximately one OS.
[20:41] <hotwings> its like they dont understand theyre not the same thing
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[20:42] <Hodapp> hotwings: I know they're separate, and guess what, I'm still either paying for Android or I'm paying for iOS if I want decent support for that hardware.
[20:43] <hotwings> that doesnt have anything to do with it
[20:43] <Hodapp> hotwings: Yeah, it has quite a lot to do with it because that's what pretty much everyone is going to pay for.
[20:44] <hotwings> no, it has absolutely nothing to do with it. an os and a piece of hardware are apples and oranges. period.
[20:44] <hotwings> do you also compare gasoline with your car?
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[20:44] <trevorman> are you really going to be that picky about it when iPad in 99.999% of cases means iOS?
[20:44] <Hodapp> If I am choosing between a car that takes diesel and a different gas that takes gasoline, then the respective fuels are a part of the discussion.
[20:45] <Hodapp> s/different gas/different car/
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[20:45] <hotwings> i suppose i should compare my usb mouse with debian
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[20:46] <hotwings> trevorman - is it being picky to say ios and android are os'es.. ipad/iphone/<endless list of android phone models> are devices
[20:46] <hotwings> since when it calling something what it is, being picky? thats silly
[20:47] <Hodapp> hotwings: I see you mocking me, but I don't see what exactly you are disagreeing with.
[20:47] <hotwings> Hodapp - "ipad" and "ios" are not interchangable
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[20:47] <Hodapp> hotwings: Who here claimed that they are interchangeable?
[20:48] <hotwings> im simply pointing out that many people seem confused by the _fact_ that idevices and ios are not the same thing.. yet for some reason, youre arguing against it
[20:48] <nid0> they arent interchangable but they are absolutely 100% synonymous with each other.
[20:48] <Syliss> Lol
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[20:48] <trevorman> Hodapp isn't arguing against it
[20:49] <hotwings> arguing that android vs. ipad is just as stupid as arguing my usb mouse vs. debian
[20:49] <Syliss> I love my iPhone. Ive used android and just wasnt my thing
[20:49] <Syliss> I would use it has a tablet tho.
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[20:49] <trevorman> mentally substitute "iOS" for "iPad" whenever you see it mentioned along with Android.
[20:49] <trevorman> as that is the comparison actually being made
[20:50] <hotwings> i have a better idea.. how about you just say what you actually mean?
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[20:50] <trevorman> sure
[20:50] <hotwings> nobody should have to substitute your word for you
[20:50] <Syliss> No kidding
[20:50] <Hodapp> hotwings: Nobody should have to substitute a word for *you* which is what you seem to be asking.
[20:50] <Syliss> Cause there is 3 idevices
[20:51] <Syliss> And a crap-ton of android devices.
[20:51] <dwatkins> or there's iOS and Android, so it depends how you're comparing things, via hardware or software or a combination of them.
[20:52] <Hodapp> I honestly don't see what the issue is here. You're arguing that hypothetical people should speak differently so that when examined under the lens of exact technical correctness it fits slightly better, when what they mean is rather clear.
[20:52] <Berry_HK> gordonDrogon: configure is running
[20:55] <Syliss> Hmm.
[20:55] <Berry_HK> gordonDrogon: x11 libs not found
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[20:56] <hotwings> Hodapp - nobody needs to substitute my words because i 1) say what i mean, and 2) dont substitute my words for something _other than what i mean_
[20:56] <mrdragons> Woot, I finally got my slice of pi. ^_^
[20:57] <Berry_HK> gordonDrogon: should i apt-get them?
[20:57] <hotwings> ios is not hardware. android is not hardware. do you agree or disagree?
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[20:58] <MasterGeek> why do the people that use IRC have to be so god dam anal about gramma
[20:58] * MasterGeek runs out the back door
[20:58] <MasterGeek> ACTION is away: There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence.
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[20:59] <hotwings> acknowledging that hardware and software are not the same thing couldnt be further from being anal.
[20:59] <nid0> no, but what you're doing is.
[20:59] <Hodapp> ++nid0
[21:00] <hotwings> pointing out facts is anal? ....ok
[21:00] <nid0> everyone knows full well that hardware isnt software, but everyone (other than you it seems) also knows that ios is synonymous with ipad/iphone and vice versa, and fully accepts other people's meanings when using the terms in place of each other. its really not hard.
[21:02] <hotwings> nid0 - apparently they dont, including yourself. and btw, nobody said anything about hard.. its more about stupidity, ignorance, or plain laziness -- take your pick
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[21:02] <nid0> no, the 4th choice is still you being anal, and thats the one everyone seems to have picked
[21:02] <Hodapp> hotwings: That level of condescension to nid0 is really not necessary.
[21:03] <Berry_HK> BRB
[21:03] <hotwings> nid0, asking people to say what they mean isnt anal in the least. maybe you need to refer to the dictionary and learn what anal means
[21:03] <Hodapp> hotwings: Knock it off.
[21:03] <hotwings> and who kind of fool argues _against_ people saying what they mean?
[21:03] <w0m> osx will soon be ios also
[21:03] <cornflake> pretty much the hottest sex you can have
[21:03] <cornflake> h8 h8 h8 h8 h8
[21:03] <w0m> will that change things?
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[21:04] * Hodapp tries to bait w0m into referring to "OS X" as "Mac"
[21:04] <Hodapp> do it... do it... do it...
[21:04] <hotwings> w0m - not for me since im not an osx fan. i hate that i have to use it at all
[21:04] <hotwings> Hodapp - dont encourage stupidity
[21:05] <Hodapp> hotwings: I said knock it off.
[21:05] <mranostay> classy channel
[21:05] <hotwings> Hodapp - oh, well good for you i guess.
[21:06] <Hodapp> hotwings: You're being condescending and rude over something irrelevant. Please stop.
[21:06] <hotwings> now like i said, dont encourage stupidity. you owe w0m an apology
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[21:07] <w0m> confused; i read up
[21:07] <Hodapp> hotwings: There is no need to PM me with further insults. That, too, is uncalled-for.
[21:07] <w0m> and still have no idea what the hell that discussion was about
[21:08] <hotwings> Hodapp - why are you still talking in here? you can pester all you like in pm, where it belongs. go ahead, have it
[21:08] <Hodapp> hotwings: It doesn't belong in PM. It doesn't belong anywhere. Knock it off.
[21:09] <nid0> w0m: someone was comparing ios and android, and used the term iphone to refer to ios. apparently, thats a big deal and a major lack of understanding, rather than just a commonly acknowledged synonym
[21:09] <markllama> mranostay: this is kinda the reason they required registered users. It doesn't stop it, but it cuts down some.
[21:10] <Hodapp> nid0: Apparently, it's so important that harassing me over PM is the appropriate thing to do.
[21:10] <markllama> and it's not always that way.
[21:10] <markllama> CAN WE GET BACK TO PI PLEASE!?
[21:10] <markllama> thank you.
[21:10] <w0m> i like pi. The One True Pi.
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> Berry_HK, yes - in,general, search and apt-get install them...
[21:11] * markllama sprays troll repellent under w0m's bridge ;-)
[21:11] <Hodapp> Whatever. If he's harassing me in PM, at least he's not harassing folks in here anymore.
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[21:11] * w0m Hodapp Apple is the One True. don't tell anyone.
[21:12] <Hodapp> w0m: The one true what?
[21:12] * mongrelion alaba a Apple \o/
[21:12] * markllama chucks the empty canister and looks for something DOD rated.
[21:12] <w0m> hehe
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[21:12] <hotwings> lol @ telling people to say what they mean = harassing.
[21:13] <hotwings> man i miss how the channel was 6 months ago.. far less of this dumb stuff.
[21:13] <markllama> I'm getting XBMC on Raspbian on a second pi for my bro in law. He's stuck home after a medical issue and I'm trying to find things for him to do to keep his mind occupide
[21:14] <mranostay> back in the no actual hardware days?
[21:14] <markllama> occupied.
[21:14] <mongrelion> markllama: nice.
[21:14] <Hodapp> mranostay: ignore him; he'll just keep PMing me and then he'll shut up in here.
[21:14] <markllama> I did have an SSH tunnel from the pi to my home service using SSH -R but it collapsed so I have to go set up another one and figure out how to keep it live
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[21:15] <markllama> then I can set up a screen session so we can work together on things. He's mostly a PC guy with just a little linux monitoring.
[21:15] <Hodapp> markllama: why do you need a tunnel for that?
[21:15] <markllama> Because he's security paranoid. No facebook. No port forwarding at his router.
[21:16] <techsurvivor> look into autossh
[21:16] <Hodapp> yeah, that'll re-establish it
[21:16] <Hodapp> I think
[21:16] <markllama> so I set up a point to point link from his network to mine with "reverse forwarding"
[21:16] <hotwings> mranostay - thats not what i was referring to but yeah that would be true
[21:16] * markllama googles
[21:17] <Hodapp> I need to learn to set up tunnels... I go through my university account sometimes to get IEEE/ACM articles and such
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[21:17] <Hodapp> but I'd rather tunnel than do it from shell with elinks
[21:17] <markllama> Hodapp: do be careful of violating policy
[21:17] <techsurvivor> ssh is the best thing since sliced bread :D
[21:18] <Hodapp> markllama: if I'm just tunneling to grab the occasional paper in a couple steps fewer, I'd think that's not much different
[21:18] <markllama> techsurvivor: well it's the best thing since telnet ;-)
[21:18] <Hodapp> they have a VPN too
[21:18] <techsurvivor> and if you're going to sneak around might want to use port 80, but any good network guy is going to know what kind of traffic is on his network
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[21:18] <techsurvivor> telnet is like a butter knife and ssh is like a ninja sword :P
[21:18] <techsurvivor> heh
[21:18] <markllama> Hodapp: that's your call. Having been both on the security and the user side sometimes people get touchy and I've become a bit of a purist with what I will do myself.
[21:19] <hotwings> Hodapp - i stopped talking about & to you a while ago, yet you persist in here. stop or leave
[21:19] <Hodapp> hotwings: what are you talking about?
[21:19] * markllama had to convince people at BBN in 1994 to close the net and require SSH. THey were pissed they could no longer telnet from customer sites to their .... wait, this isnt Pi
[21:19] <markllama> BACK TO PI!
[21:19] <Hodapp> hotwings: you PMed 8 minutes ago to say "go sit in the corner already.. unless you like making yourself look like a whiney little girl"
[21:20] <markllama> Hodapp: really? REALLY? ;-)
[21:20] <Hodapp> markllama: Sorry, back to Pi.
[21:20] <w0m> subject closed; end of story; who gives a crap.
[21:20] <w0m> Pi is wonderful.
[21:20] <markllama> /topic DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS
[21:20] * MasterGeek is back (gone 00:22:09)
[21:20] <hotwings> i told you nearly 15 minutes ago you can do as much whining in pm as you like.. yet you persist to infect the channel with it. stop or leave
[21:21] <w0m> can we get a - here...
[21:21] <MasterGeek> omg 22 mins later and you still at it.
[21:21] <Hodapp> w0m: a what?
[21:21] <hotwings> well, i tried to get this guy to knock it off but he wont give it up.. dumb
[21:21] <w0m> remove voice; and he can't talk
[21:21] <markllama> MasterGeek: I'm TRYING to suppress it.
[21:21] <hotwings> ..anyways
[21:21] * MasterGeek runs for the hills
[21:22] <markllama> MasterGeek: so what coolness have you done with Pis?
[21:22] <MasterGeek> well
[21:22] <markllama> My wife thought the coolest thing she could understand was the Lego case.
[21:22] <markllama> :-(
[21:22] <MasterGeek> I have the CW on the very first Pi Phone
[21:22] <w0m> I still haven't got my pibo yet :( should show up anyway; but i haven't been charged yet either..
[21:22] <hotwings> markllama - you should teach her to blink LED's. that seems to be pretty popular
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[21:22] <techsurvivor> playing hd movie is pulling about 538KiB/s , that seems a little high?
[21:22] * PiBot sets mode +v peba
[21:23] <techsurvivor> (on pi) ?
[21:23] <peba> hello from vienna
[21:23] <techsurvivor> i wonder if this network monitor is right...
[21:23] <w0m> vienna; beautiful city; little expensive. Was there a month ago
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[21:23] <nid0> techsurvivor: a 4mbit stream seems about right?
[21:23] <MasterGeek> a full gps/gsm/gprs/3g mobile phone platform, ans SDK for educators to teach kids the guts of mobile phone dev
[21:23] <techsurvivor> yeah, i guess, i am surprised, but it is a 1920xwhatever so maybe
[21:23] <w0m> peba: have you seen dressage? I wasn't able to attend the weekly public practice...
[21:23] <trevorman> techsurvivor: half a MB/s isn't particularly high for streaming video
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[21:24] <techsurvivor> it could be 1600xwhatever too... anyway it looks good :)
[21:25] <techsurvivor> it works well over cifs mount
[21:25] <MasterGeek> also i made an old ps1 portable LCD screen work on a Pi
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[21:26] <techsurvivor> this my first foray into using it as media player...
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[21:26] <markllama> I haven't tried hooking a DVD player to mine yet
[21:26] <techsurvivor> now I just need a frontend to omxplayer that doesn't take over the system :D
[21:26] <techsurvivor> this is over wireless
[21:26] <trevorman> heh. I went the easy route and just use XBMC
[21:26] <markllama> but with Raspian and XBMC a lot of the media runs well.
[21:26] <MasterGeek> 0 - 1G full band full mode radio reviver scanner "Pi Radio" AM FM USB LSB
[21:27] <techsurvivor> would it play dvds? those aren't in h.264 are they ? mpeg2 I believe
[21:27] <hotwings> markllama - was it you that compile xbmc yourself or am i thinking of somebody else?
[21:27] <MasterGeek> oh and a 1600m UART TX RX
[21:27] <trevorman> nope to DVDs as they're MPEG2 as you said
[21:27] <techsurvivor> or just keep up my geek cred and write a c text interface lol
[21:28] <hotwings> techsurvivor - yes. btw, how well an rpi can play a file depends on several factors, starting with the file itself
[21:28] <trevorman> it isn't HW accelerated and last time I tried, XBMC just refused to play them
[21:28] <techsurvivor> doesn't it play h.264 and aac pretty well?
[21:28] * MasterGeek slumbers back to watching a pot of high gloss paint form a skin
[21:28] <techsurvivor> that's all i need, I can convert just about anything into that with ffmpeg
[21:28] <trevorman> yeah. h.264 + mpeg4p2 i.e. xvid/divx
[21:29] <hotwings> h.264 is decoded in hardware and plays well. mpeg2 has to be decoded in software at this time, and how well it does that is determined by many factors
[21:29] <trevorman> the GPU in theory supports MPEG2 decode but we don't have the license
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[21:29] <markllama> Someone needs their practice hours behind the wheel before taking the road test?
[21:30] * Hodapp looks at markllama
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[21:30] * markllama has a 16.5 yr old daughter. Sorry.
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[21:30] <techsurvivor> i'm just glad to find out my only wireless problem was I needed to put it up a little higher, sitting down near the floor absolutely killed the throughput on that tiny little thing
[21:30] <Lasse^> Is it possible to apply sound output analogue/hdmi without rebooting?
[21:30] <techsurvivor> (wireless)
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[21:31] <Hodapp> markllama: you'd BETTER be sorry for having a 16-year-old daughter.
[21:31] <hotwings> what a rude thing to say
[21:31] <markllama> Oh I'm sorry alright. Several times a day
[21:31] <Hodapp> :)
[21:31] <markllama> though the 13 yr old is worse.
[21:31] <Hodapp> oh gawd
[21:31] <markllama> PI! Back to PI! (Please!)
[21:31] <Hodapp> 13.14 yr old?
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[21:32] <markllama> you know.. close
[21:32] <techsurvivor> 13.14 is pretty accurate age...
[21:32] <markllama> I think older
[21:32] <techsurvivor> down to the hundredths is pretty good, no one is going to complain about knowing their age to that kind of resolution
[21:33] <nid0> its just under 13 and 2 months
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[21:33] <Hodapp> what cool stuff can be done with U-Boot?
[21:33] <techsurvivor> easy netboot
[21:33] <nid0> it'd make iscsi boot rather easier
[21:33] <markllama> heh
[21:33] <techsurvivor> poking registers?
[21:34] <Hodapp> Does it give a GRUB-ish shell?
[21:34] <markllama> 13.1369
[21:34] <techsurvivor> turning on and off cache?
[21:34] <hotwings> you can boot with it, and thats pretty cool
[21:34] <markllama> 13 yrs 50 days
[21:34] <trevorman> Hodapp: yeah but with more features
[21:34] <techsurvivor> most places i've worked just used it for netbooting though lol
[21:34] <techsurvivor> the code for uboot is scary, have never seen so many #define
[21:35] <Hodapp> hmmm
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[21:35] <Hodapp> do many folks use it on the RPi?
[21:35] <trevorman> never ever look at redboot then :|
[21:35] <markllama> Yeah I want to put uboot on a pi SD card so I can net boot/PXE install
[21:35] <techsurvivor> they have to though because of all the platforms that it supports I suppose
[21:35] <techsurvivor> pxe would be nice
[21:35] <markllama> what I really want to do is enable hands-off install with serial and DHCP/PXE manipulation.
[21:36] <techsurvivor> i believe they are working on uboot though, so maybe in a month or two :)
[21:37] <trevorman> just need to make a u-boot script
[21:37] <techsurvivor> http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=133 alpha/beta out ?
[21:37] <markllama> nice for a classroom setting. 10-15 RPis with serial linked to a head node, power through an APC switched PDU, network through a couple of Cisco 2950s with flooding to a monitoring port and a monitoring host generating net map graphics for the students.
[21:37] <techsurvivor> might look at this tomorrow
[21:37] <Hodapp> markllama: that's a neat idea.
[21:38] <markllama> DHCP/PXE/TFTP configured via the head node so the students can start with a literally clean (except for uboot) system and turn it into a real network.
[21:38] <Hodapp> markllama: I'd like to try something like that at my hackerspace - we certainly have enough Pis there
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[21:38] <markllama> at some point you do want them to have hands on so they understand what they're working with
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[21:39] <markllama> but fully remote allows them to work from home or wherever.
[21:39] * markllama wants to demonstrate/teach sysadmin..
[21:39] <markllama> so little bits of networking, little bits of scripting, little bits of host monitoring, system install and update etc.
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[21:42] <trevorman> teaching some troubleshooting steps would be helpful. not sure how you'd do that on a RPi with no persistent storage or alternative boot devices tho...
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[21:43] <markllama> trevorman: That's what SD card images are for:-)
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[21:43] <nid0> you could happily enough set each pi to boot over the network via iscsi/nfs
[21:43] <markllama> Just because the students don't have ready physical access doesn't mean the instructor doesn't
[21:43] <nid0> break an os, just wipe the folder/volume and recreate it, would take seconds
[21:43] <nid0> no need to even touch sd cards then
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[21:43] <trevorman> markllama: ah yes. good point
[21:44] <mongrelion> anyone else trying to run hubot on raspberry pi?
[21:44] <trevorman> nid0: yeah
[21:44] <markllama> And if you can PXE boot you can select an install of an image over the net to a second partition and set uboot to select it on next boot
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[21:44] <Hodapp> does U-Boot give you something like, for instance, a remote shell?
[21:44] <trevorman> it can do
[21:44] <markllama> I think there might be a "net console" for it.
[21:44] <techsurvivor> i've only ever accessed it over a uart
[21:44] <w0m> PXE would need support from bios; i have to admit i haven't touched Pi bios
[21:44] <markllama> but if you have serial on all of them there's no real need.
[21:45] <Hodapp> just curious, in the event that you have to bounce the RPi remotely and it has a boot issue
[21:45] <jcdutton> Is anyone doing work to get pi running on kernel 3.5.x
[21:45] <techsurvivor> go to server where it's hooked up to serial
[21:45] <markllama> w0m: PXE can be done as a bootstrap step
[21:45] <nid0> w0m theres pxe and theres pxe
[21:45] <trevorman> w0m: you can TFTP a binary image into memory and run it. it is all scriptable
[21:45] <w0m> markllama: would need bootable media then right? as in flash/sd card
[21:45] <markllama> you can implement PXE in software/os that is.
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[21:45] <nid0> pxe in x86 terms is built into the bios (no such thing on a pi) but pxe is also just tftp via software
[21:45] <markllama> w0m: yeah, but the SD can have multiple partitions and they can bootstrap.
[21:45] <trevorman> mongrelion: somebody in here was trying to compile node.js which is probably the first step. not sure how far they got.
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[21:46] <w0m> yea; i built a few rhel kickstarts started via pxe from scratch; was convenient when i didn't have to hunt for boot disk/flash drive and coudl just pop in pxe server
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[21:47] <w0m> i should look into the rpi boot chain, i honestly just copied an sd card image and went; didn't do any of the fun stuff...
[21:47] <markllama> partition 1 contains an image that initializes the NIC, issues DHCP request, applies network values, extracts next-server and filename values (and the PXE values for kernel, initrd and cmdline if you've done it well)
[21:47] <w0m> yea; does pi support multiple boot orders?
[21:47] <markllama> loads filename from nextserver via TFTP, execs it, passing kernel, initrd and cmdline to it.
[21:48] <markllama> Pi doesn't but you can create a bootstrap that does in the first partition
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[21:48] <markllama> Pi just boots a file in the first partition. load to memory and exec
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[21:48] <markllama> but that file can be anything
[21:48] <markllama> well anything that will execute
[21:48] <w0m> make sense; if student hosed secondary partition; how would you set it to boot first again.. (pause @ startup and do quasi boot menu?)
[21:49] <Hodapp> all my weird-boot-configuration experience is on x86. I need to relearn a bunch of this.
[21:49] <markllama> at worst you image a new SD and stuff it in.
[21:49] <w0m> If i was using Pi's in class; i'd have 30 extra SD cards with clean images for students to use; and NIS/NFS setup for accounts/etc if it needed to be persistant
[21:49] <markllama> and ideally you have a couple of spare pis in each class so when they munch one you can re-point them and let them go ahead while you fix the borked one.
[21:50] <markllama> w0m: that would work ;-)
[21:50] <w0m> don't need to pull pi out of service; just swap sd card
[21:50] <markllama> though I'd probably do LDAP/NFS...
[21:50] <nid0> i'm more a fan of nfs/iscsi boot and just replace the image on the server, away you go
[21:50] <markllama> NIS is so 1985
[21:50] <w0m> ldap requires windows server though doesn't it?
[21:50] <markllama> gack no!
[21:50] <techsurvivor> openldap
[21:51] <markllama> Windows server is a compilaton of Kerberos5, LDAP, DNS.
[21:51] <markllama> well AD is
[21:51] <techsurvivor> i hate active directory, but probably only because I don't understand it :)
[21:51] <mongrelion> trevorman: I was the one trying to compile nodejs, but failed on the attempt. I then installed nodejs from the repositorioes (raspbian) and am now trying to setup hubot + hubot-irc adapter to no avail :/
[21:51] <w0m> i've always associated ldap with windows; as all my unix domains used nis and windows ldap
[21:51] * markllama has to learn how to do remote DNS updates to AD and I'm guessing the updates will be LDAP pushes
[21:51] <trevorman> mongrelion: ohhh. no idea sorry. good luck with it
[21:52] <mongrelion> thanks.
[21:52] <markllama> w0m: convert your unix to use LDAP from your AD and KRB5 from it and you have single domain management.
[21:52] <markllama> it's not trivial, but it's doable.
[21:52] <w0m> nothing I maintain myself
[21:52] * markllama will shoot NIS where it stands given a choice
[21:52] <w0m> though i'm tempted to setup openldap server on my spare pi now and use that for my windows logins...
[21:53] <markllama> its easier to auth unix to AD than the other way around
[21:53] <markllama> way easier
[21:53] <w0m> (not a windows admin, probably need crazy licensing)
[21:53] <w0m> i like the idea of single signon on my machines
[21:54] <markllama> If I were creating a mixed environment from scratch I'd start with an AD server (after investigating Samba-latest to see if it can do it yet)
[21:54] <markllama> The AD tasks (add/remove/update user/machine/role) are way easier to manage on AD than on a cobbled together unix.
[21:55] <markllama> this is assumingI was going to hand user management off to an HR dept and host management to a tier 1/2 IT dept
[21:55] <w0m> hehe; i'd want it so i can wipe my pi without thinking twice and not lose my homedir
[21:56] <markllama> but a Pi would make a perfectly reasonable SOHO LDAP/DNS/DHCP server.
[21:56] <w0m> (s/pi/laptop/etc)
[21:56] <Matt> actually, samba3.x+openldap+smbldaptools works beautifully
[21:56] <Matt> set it up several times
[21:57] <markllama> Matt: good to know. Can your receptionist manage user accounts?
[21:57] <w0m> i already have cifs/nfs server on network that's independant; no problem mounting my unix homedir from it
[21:57] <Matt> that would depend on if the receptionist can cope with typing "smbldap-adduser -a username"
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[21:58] <w0m> Does HR ever manage user management? that just sounds like a disaster..
[21:58] <Matt> not anywhere I deal with
[21:58] <w0m> in my experience; HR just emails IT and they set it up
[21:59] <trevorman> ^
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[22:01] <markllama> HR SHOULD but can't because it's too hard.
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[22:02] * markllama stops before pulling his soapbox all the way out and pushes it back under the basement stairs and smiles.
[22:03] <w0m> sounds like your a sysadmin.. lol.
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[22:06] <mikma> BOFH
[22:06] <markllama> au contrare. My job is to make everyone else efficient and put myself out of a job.
[22:06] <w0m> i'm lowely programmer. I just want my code to be there regardless of device. (Lack of dropbox annoys me)
[22:09] <markllama> you want a CLOUD ;-)
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[22:09] <w0m> all my non-pi devices; i just work out of dropbox; which is easy/makes me lazy
[22:10] <w0m> was debating about starting a local git server and being better about personal vcs as my solution; but haven't yet...
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[22:15] <techsurvivor> why not use github?
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[22:15] <dwarder> wow
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[22:16] <techsurvivor> wow?
[22:17] <w0m> techsurvivor: i don't want to sync my local .bashrc/.vimrc and the like all through github
[22:17] <mikma> why not zoidberg?
[22:17] <dwarder> i have a task streaming video from my webcam, will cpu power that raspberry has be enough for that task (i.e. i'll connect my webcam to raspberry pi)
[22:17] <techsurvivor> depends on how fast you want it
[22:17] <techsurvivor> heh
[22:17] <w0m> bitbucket support git now though; and that has private single user repos i think
[22:18] <dwarder> techsurvivor: 640x480 30 fps?
[22:18] <techsurvivor> w0m: just curious, i have local git too, i don't like putting my stuff "in the cloud"
[22:18] <mjr> yeah probably depends heavily on desired resolution and framerate. Probably won't cut it for very big ones.
[22:18] <techsurvivor> good luck
[22:18] <dwarder> techsurvivor: won't work?
[22:18] <techsurvivor> don't know, i didn't have much luck
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[22:18] <dwarder> techsurvivor: you tried?
[22:18] <techsurvivor> i was getting about 20fps at 320x240 it hink
[22:18] <markllama> Has anyone tried any of the USB Hauppauge WinTV units on a Pi? Is it just "don't bother"?
[22:19] <techsurvivor> i have notes if you want them
[22:19] <mjr> markllama, probably yeah, especially what with the accelerated mpeg2 lack
[22:19] <markllama> THati is is a pi just outclassed as a possible DVR back end?
[22:19] <techsurvivor> i was using mjpeg streamer, it could have been my camera
[22:19] <dwarder> techsurvivor: i guess i'd bedder buy something else for that task then
[22:19] <techsurvivor> it's not exactly the most expensive one in the world :)
[22:19] <dwarder> better*
[22:19] <mjr> you might get somewhere if that one dude's mpeg2->mpeg4 converter pans out
[22:19] <techsurvivor> nope, just saying i didn't have a lot of luck
[22:20] <markllama> would I be better off just getting something like a trimslice or a shuttle for the back end?
[22:20] <techsurvivor> dwarder: do you have the hardware yet?
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[22:20] <[SLB]> i only tried 320*240 at 15fps
[22:20] <dwarder> techsurvivor: not yes, about to make an order
[22:20] <dwarder> yet*
[22:20] <techsurvivor> i can give you my notes if you like on getting started, you might have better luck than me, i was using $8 camera heh
[22:21] <dwarder> i don't think i have a lot of time to mess with it
[22:21] <techsurvivor> maybe someone else can speak up, now I feel bad that i might have done something wrong and dissuaded you from trying it
[22:22] <techsurvivor> (done something wrong in my setup)
[22:22] <dwarder> or i can create a raspberry pi cluster :)
[22:22] <dwarder> from 5 PI's
[22:22] <MichelleZ> its called a bramble
[22:22] <w0m> i need an excuse to buy 5 more
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[22:22] <w0m> just haven't come up with it yeut
[22:22] <techsurvivor> beowulf cluster
[22:22] <techsurvivor> sharding database server
[22:23] <techsurvivor> there are all kinds of reasons to have 5 pis
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. Someone's controlled a stepper motor using wiringPi and a bash script! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzzafSqnk5s&amp
[22:23] <w0m> now you sound like a slashdoter
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[22:23] <techsurvivor> povray cluster :D
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[22:24] <techsurvivor> rpi render farm
[22:24] <techsurvivor> you could sell it to pixar
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[22:24] <dwarder> lol
[22:25] <dwarder> btw why 35$ pc costs 38 pounds?
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[22:25] <dwarder> i.e. ~60$
[22:25] <Fleck> i have the same q. :D
[22:25] <techsurvivor> and w0m i'm more of a redditor these days, but i still read slashdot a couple times a week :D
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> here's a cluster I built earlier: https://projects.drogon.net/a-box-of-200-raspberry-pis/ ;-)
[22:25] <w0m> hehe
[22:25] <Fleck> dwarder here its 30Ls = around 60$
[22:26] <ladoga> i thought raspberry cluster is called a shrubbery
[22:26] <mongrelion> clusberry.
[22:26] <techsurvivor> i want to make a mini rack and put about 8 rpi's in it :D
[22:26] <mongrelion> techsurvivor: :D
[22:26] <w0m> My original goal when i reada bout pi's (~year ago?) was to wall paper my office.
[22:26] <Fleck> gordonDrogon where did you get money for 200 raspi?
[22:26] <mongrelion> one raspberry per service?
[22:27] <techsurvivor> make it look just like the dell racks I used to have access to
[22:27] <techsurvivor> heh
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> Fleck, I don't have 200 Pi's, but 200 Pi's are in my budget should I choose to buy them - I'm not a student ...
[22:27] <plugwash> 200 Pi's is only about ??5K at RS prices, ??6K at farnell prices
[22:27] <w0m> I have a small wall nook; ~4 foot deep on one side of my desk; would be perfect to have a dozen or so pi's
[22:27] <dwarder> Fleck: do you know the answer to why?
[22:27] <dwarder> :)
[22:27] <plugwash> that is only the same magnitude as say a license for altium
[22:27] <Fleck> dwarder no clue
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[22:34] <npm> http://www.nielsmayer.com/bin/view/Raspberry+Pi/Motion+and+UVC+Webcam
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[22:41] <npm> has anybody figured out a "gateway" between say sshfs(1) and dropbox, google drive, or microsoft SkyDrive ? seems like a good way of adding a cloud filesystem if only someone would write it :-)
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[22:42] <npm> in particular, i'd like motion(1) to be able to store it's images and movies "in the cloud" and then allow specific people to access the files
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[22:45] <Berry_HK> gordonDrogon: isnt it easier to use : http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/vice
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[22:48] <hotwings> [13:21:40] <techsurvivor> rpi render farm <-- good god that would be slow
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> Berry_HK, absolutely - however it appears missing from raspbian.
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[22:51] <w0m> render if you could use the gpu wouldn't be too bad...
[22:51] <Jef91> For any who care Raspberry Pi operating system goodness -> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2012/08/bodhis-arm-branch-moves-to-armhf.html
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[22:59] <Berry_HK> gordonDrogon: i see.. so compiling yourself gives optimum performance/compatibility
[22:59] <Berry_HK> i understand
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[23:00] <Berry_HK> gordonDrogon: configute complain about the X11 libs are missing
[23:00] <Berry_HK> the x11-devel cant be apt-get
[23:00] <mongrelion> my raspberry pi is now officially serving my blog \o/
[23:00] <Berry_HK> url?
[23:00] <mongrelion> now I'll need a very steady connection to keep it up
[23:00] <mongrelion> carlosleon.info
[23:02] <Berry_HK> nice ... but kinda slow
[23:02] <nid0> and some heavy optimisation to make it work promptly
[23:02] <mongrelion> it is a puma server running a sinatra application.
[23:03] <mongrelion> very simple, though. Ain't got too much processing. The articles are rendered on the fly using rdiscount, a markdown parser for ruby.
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> Berry_HK, hi - I think you have no option but to compile it - however I'm wondering if it's missing from Raspbian for a reason - ie. if it depends on something else that's not compiled yet...
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[23:04] * npm answers own question http://mitchtech.net/dropbox-on-raspberry-pi-via-sshfs/
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[23:05] <Berry_HK> i will do some research gordonDrogon thanks for getting me up to speed a little
[23:05] <Berry_HK> have a nice nigth
[23:05] <Berry_HK> later dudes
[23:08] <mongrelion> \o
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[23:11] <npm> nebody ported https://launchpad.net/~invernizzi/+archive/google-docs-fs to the 'pi ?
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[23:11] <mru> what porting does it need?
[23:11] <mru> is it not enough to build and run?
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[23:12] <hadifarnoud> hello
[23:12] <mongrelion> hi there.
[23:13] <hadifarnoud> can anyone used raspbmc?
[23:13] <hadifarnoud> did*
[23:13] <npm> don't know. i haven't setup x-dev platform and i'm on fedora so i'm not well supported... (ubuntu noob)
[23:13] <npm> ^^ mru
[23:13] <hadifarnoud> Fedora is a bit buggy on pi
[23:14] <npm> i don't use fedora on pi
[23:14] <mongrelion> npm install hubot-irc
[23:14] <mongrelion> :D
[23:14] <npm> i use rasbpian
[23:14] <mongrelion> npm install -g coffee-script :D
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[23:19] <haroldp> hadifarnoud: I'm using it
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[23:20] <trevorman> hadifarnoud: tried raspbmc. preferred openelec. it isn't recommended to use fedora for the rpi at the moment due to bugs. they're working on it last I heard
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[23:20] <invzim> the analog audio clicks is a common & known issue?
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[23:20] <trevorman> invzim: people have complained about it. don't get them myself...
[23:20] <hadifarnoud> my xbmc is broken
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[23:21] <invzim> just got my rpi today, so incredibly easy to set up - already have squeezeslave running :)
[23:21] <hadifarnoud> freezing at R sign haroldp
[23:21] <hadifarnoud> how can I replace it without erasing my library
[23:21] <haroldp> mine is broken in various ways too, but I get past the R, anyway :)
[23:22] <mongrelion> invzim: Y U NO use rasbpian?
[23:22] <mongrelion> raspbian *
[23:22] <haroldp> your library is all in the ~/.xbmc directory. I think you can easily back that up.
[23:22] <hadifarnoud> cool
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[23:22] <hadifarnoud> thanks haroldp
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[23:22] <invzim> I think I use raspbian
[23:22] <haroldp> I *think*. I'm not really an expert
[23:23] <invzim> redhat person, so new to the debian universe
[23:23] <techsurvivor> i'm more familiar with fedora, but I don't think I'd use it on raspi given how solid raspbian is on it
[23:23] <hadifarnoud> do u know how can i boot to installer?
[23:23] <hadifarnoud> my sd reader is broken
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[23:29] <invzim> he, may have fixed clikcs during playback
[23:29] <haroldp> hadifarnoud: nope. :)
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[23:29] <invzim> alsamixer and cranked the volume to max, probably refreshed some registers or something
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[23:30] <haroldp> I had more luck with openelec/darkelect myself, and I'll prolly switch back
[23:32] <haroldp> rasbmc is really not working well with my AFP file servers. I managed to crash it pretty consistently adding one last night :\
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[23:36] <techsurvivor> hmmm can you use smb instead?
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[23:36] <techsurvivor> that's been working very well for me from my linux and windows boxes
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> just been reaing the magpi - caught up on the issues..
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