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IRC Log for 2012-08-08

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[0:16] <cave> what has happened to fedora and the raspi distribution???
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[0:16] <npm> what python magic must i config to get rid of this "ImportError: No module named googledocsfs" (see http://www.nielsmayer.com/bin/view/Raspberry+Pi/Google+Drive+and+Dropbox+SSHFS+filesystem for details )
[0:17] <techsurvivor> you need googledocfs installed?
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[0:17] <npm> yeah its installed from debs into /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages
[0:18] <npm> but python's not seeing it.
[0:19] <techsurvivor> not sure how python looks for items :( sorry, there has to be a $PYTHON_MODULES_PATH or something though
[0:19] <npm> /usr/local/lib/python has dirs python2.6/ python2.7/ python3.2/ my guess is 2.6 is not on the path
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[0:19] <npm> probably better than what i was about to do... symlinks
[0:19] <npm> :-)
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[0:19] <techsurvivor> http://lists.ethernal.org/oldarchives/cantlug-0602/msg00474.html
[0:19] <techsurvivor> maybe that will help
[0:20] <techsurvivor> you have to add to it's search path, looks like
[0:21] <rtyler> well damnit, somehow the powered usb hub that I bought is recognized by the raspian kernel as a 4 port hub, but plugging things into it doesn't register a single device
[0:21] <npm> techsurvivor: good tip "['', '/usr/lib/python2.7', '/usr/lib/python2.7/plat-linux2', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-tk', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-old', '/usr/lib/python2.7/lib-dynload', '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages', '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/PIL', '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gst-0.10', '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gtk-2.0', '/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7']"
[0:21] <npm> and yes 2.6 ain't in there
[0:21] <techsurvivor> it's been a while for me... try python26
[0:21] <techsurvivor> been a while since I've got to do python coding :( . kind of miss it
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> only written one python program. no plans to do more ...
[0:22] <techsurvivor> rtyler, is it a powered hub?
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[0:22] <techsurvivor> i loved it
[0:22] <techsurvivor> heh
[0:22] <techsurvivor> i like c/c++ better but for scripting up quick apps for test it was awesome
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> I actually use php for quick testing of stuff... but I treat it like sloppy interpreted C ...
[0:23] <rtyler> techsurvivor: yes, I found out last week that the pi won't push enough juice through my unpowered hubs :P
[0:23] <techsurvivor> :( my hub just worked
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> do I need to do anything to get sound out of the HDMI other than having the sound module loaded?
[0:23] <npm> i'm not a big python fan so i prefer other langs....like QML and C++ or Lisp
[0:23] <techsurvivor> omxplayer -o hdmi?
[0:24] <techsurvivor> if using the player :)
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[0:24] <rtyler> techsurvivor: yes, I expected it to "just work" as well :/
[0:24] <techsurvivor> wrote a couple of fun irc bots with python too heh, phenny is neat project
[0:25] <techsurvivor> not so much "wrote" as heavily modified I guess
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[0:26] <techsurvivor> # Force the monitor to HDMI mode so that sound will be sent over HDMI cable
[0:26] <techsurvivor> hdmi_drive=2
[0:26] <techsurvivor> found that gordonDrogon
[0:26] <techsurvivor> for config.txt
[0:27] <rtyler> well, crap, I'm not sure what to do about this
[0:27] <rtyler> techsurvivor: are you running raspbian too?
[0:27] <techsurvivor> yeah
[0:27] <rtyler> latest version as well?
[0:27] <techsurvivor> i haven't tried any of the others
[0:27] <techsurvivor> i believe it's latest, yes with apt-get upgrade
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[0:28] <gordonDrogon> Hm. sound over HDMI works fine - just frozen bubble with no sound...
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> tuxpaint makes sound...
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[0:30] <npm> it's my pi and i'll symlink if i want to ... symlink if I want to...
[0:30] <npm> techsurvivor: it worked
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[0:30] <npm> didn't want to install python 2.6 and waste space
[0:30] <npm> google drive is now mounted on my raspberry pi filesystem
[0:30] <techsurvivor> i've symlinked a lot of libraries in the past that I probably shouldn't have heh
[0:32] <npm> Yeah, I'm the king of symlinking and tasteless hacks: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem (MeeGo + Fedora)
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[0:32] <npm> i did a lot of 2.6 symlinking in MeeGoLem
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[0:38] <gordonDrogon> zed time. laters.
[0:39] <unreal-dude> yay, #2 and #3 showed up today!
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[0:42] <npm> techsurvivor: see http://nielsmayer.jelastic.servint.net/bin/view/Raspberry+Pi/Google+Drive+and+Dropbox+SSHFS+filesystem for details on gdrive sshfs
[0:43] <techsurvivor> okay, but I very very rarely use googledrive, i always have a 32gig usb stick in my pocket :D
[0:43] <npm> oops i mean http://www.nielsmayer.com/bin/view/Raspberry+Pi/Google+Drive+and+Dropbox+SSHFS+filesystem
[0:44] <techsurvivor> you should add that to the raspi wiki
[0:44] <npm> i was curious if I can use google drive to access motion detector files ( http://www.nielsmayer.com/bin/view/Raspberry+Pi/Motion+and+UVC+Webcam ) remotely and share them w/ selected people
[0:45] <techsurvivor> oh like the "motion" application for linux?
[0:45] <npm> it is the motion application
[0:45] <npm> it just works(tm)
[0:45] <npm> which is why the raspberry pi and rasbian is probably the most awesoime thing ever
[0:45] <techsurvivor> just confirming... yeah... i tried it, it worked but was slow heh, mjpeg streamer seemed to faster
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[0:46] <techsurvivor> it was easy to use though!
[0:46] <npm> you can turn up the rate. 2777 motion 20 0 49032 10m 3452 S 2.9 4.9 30:41.63 motion
[0:46] <npm> doesn't use much CPU or RAM by default.
[0:47] <npm> but i'm'a order some heatsinks for it as the usb chip gets quite warm
[0:47] <techsurvivor> i was thiking about putting an old laptop in an unused bedroom along with a webcam and figure out which stupid neighborhood kid sometimes knocks on my door and runs off at night
[0:48] <npm> my pi is monitoring the door and has been for about 24 hrs now
[0:48] <techsurvivor> doesn't happen very often, maybe a couple times in the past 2 or 3 months, but still, i'd like to point it out to his dad whoever it is, I know most of the kids around here lolz
[0:48] <npm> yeah... now to get the speaker and door to door salesman automatic recognition going
[0:49] <techsurvivor> "NO THANKS"
[0:50] <techsurvivor> i usually just don't go to the door, my friends know to call first heh
[0:50] <techsurvivor> or go around the back and bang on my den window :D
[0:51] <techsurvivor> They're like "aren't you going to get that" and I'll be like "if they're knocking on my front door, they're not important anyway"
[0:51] <npm> ok must have lunch only 4 hours late...
[0:51] <techsurvivor> seey
[0:51] <techsurvivor> seeya
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[0:56] <Neutron5> is the RPI supposed to drop the voltage by 0.5V?
[0:57] <SpeedEvil> details Neutron5
[0:57] <Neutron5> I've been fiddling with this stuff all day and eventually ended up with a 7805 directly attached to my microUSB plug
[0:57] <Neutron5> measuring at the pins of the 7805 under load I have 5.05V out, at TP1/2 I have 4.5V
[0:58] <SpeedEvil> anyone buy a nexus 7 in the UK, and successfully get the play store credit?
[0:58] <Hodapp> I'm not in the UK but I may get a Nexus 7
[0:59] <mongrelion> I've got an stupid question, and I ask it because I don't really know that much about hardware architechture but can it be possible that when I'm compiling something on the raspberry pi, I backup or "help" that compilation process with the GPU?
[1:00] <SpeedEvil> no.
[1:00] <SpeedEvil> in principle, yes.
[1:00] <SpeedEvil> but not with existing software.
[1:00] <chithead> also no gpu compute with the bcm soc
[1:01] <SpeedEvil> and there is no way to write that with existing docs
[1:01] * Meatballs is now known as Meatballs|Away
[1:03] <Hodapp> also, compilation is not the sort of thing any GPU can handle too well, afaik
[1:03] <Hodapp> GPUs like embarassingly parallel problems
[1:03] <mrdragons> Hey guys, what package do I need to install for video for xorg on arch linux?
[1:03] <mongrelion> so what's the GPU capable of then?
[1:03] <Hodapp> mongrelion: It's capable of massive parallelism
[1:04] <Hodapp> chithead: You can kind of fake it with GLSL, can't you?
[1:04] <mongrelion> mrdragons: check the beginner's guide in wiki.archlinux.org, but some headshots: xorg-server xorg-utils xorg-xinit and xf86-fbdev (not sure about the name of that last one)
[1:04] <chithead> well compiling is very branch-heavy. and glsl+branching...
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[1:06] <mrdragons> mongrelion: Ah, thanks. Just needed the last one, didn't know if there was a proprietary broadcom package
[1:06] <Hodapp> chithead: I don't mean compilation, just GPGPU
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[1:07] <mongrelion> mrdragons: pacman -Ss xf86-video | grep fbdev
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[1:07] <mrtux> hello
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[1:08] <home> I dont like having to identify myself, to join this channel.
[1:08] <home> To the person or op, please change it..ASAP
[1:08] <home> bircoe: hi :D
[1:08] <home> I need help..uhm
[1:09] <home> fitting my raspbian into the 16gb card
[1:09] <home> right now its too small...
[1:09] <SpeedEvil> just fox your client, so it auto logs. it's easy
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[1:14] <aphadke> http://elinux.org/index.php?title=RPi_Using_Skypekit&oldid=145484
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[1:14] <aphadke> do we have wiki that talks about getting video with skypekit?
[1:15] <home> what?
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[1:15] <home> hellllo
[1:16] <home> how does one make sure that a 2gb or 1.5gb image expands to the whole SD card?
[1:16] <home> I am pretty new to this, so any help would be great :D
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[1:16] <TimRiker> rebooted by raspbmc yesterday and it did at least a kernel update, today xbmc.bin starts, splash screen shows, but then nothing.
[1:17] <TimRiker> log does not seem to show any relevant errors. lirc config seems odd, but other than that it looks like it starts up. nothing on screen though, just the splash.
[1:18] <TimRiker> moved ~pi/.xbmc out of the way, restart, new directory and log get created, still nothing on screen.
[1:18] <home> what is lirc...and how does one use it?
[1:19] <TimRiker> lirc is normally used to read remote control input.
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[1:19] <TimRiker> on raspbmc is looks like it's trying to read the tv remote on mhl capable tv sets. I don't have one of those, so I don't think it does anything here.
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[1:20] <TimRiker> oh.. there is a #raspbmc as well. asking there...
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[1:39] <timaaarrreee> wooooooooooooooooooooo rpi arrived in mail just now!
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[1:40] <Neutron5> congrats, I got mine today as well
[1:42] <timaaarrreee> we share the same raspberry pi birthday
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[1:44] <amgb2> so does anyone know anything about pyglet?
[1:44] <amgb2> or alternatively, anything about glx?
[1:44] <chithead> ask for information, not for people
[1:45] * nx5 is now known as nx5_off
[1:45] <amgb2> ok
[1:45] <amgb2> is it possible to get pyglet working on the rpi?
[1:46] <amgb2> when I try to create a window it reports "pyglet requires an X server with GLX"
[1:46] <chithead> you should at least get software rendering
[1:47] <amgb2> do I need to enable glx explicitly?
[1:47] <chithead> it is enabled by default usually
[1:47] <amgb2> I tried to check xorg.conf but the default raspbian setup doesn't seem to have one
[1:48] <amgb2> it has an xorg.conf.d with some unrelated stuff in it, but nothing about which modules are loaded
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[2:06] <hadifarnoud> a dumb question: $ sudo cp -Rf xbmc-bin/ /home/pi/.xbmc-current/ returns this error: cp: `xbmc-bin/' and `/home/pi/.xbmc-current/xbmc-bin' are the same file
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[2:08] <amgb2> is one a symlink to the other?
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[2:17] <mongrelion> compiling rubinius on the rpi \o/
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[2:22] <Tz1m1sc3> hi there
[2:23] <mongrelion> \o
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[2:30] <hadifarnoud> how can I boot to raspbmc ramdisk to install it again? I don't have SD reader
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[2:35] <Tz1m1sc3> how did you get it first time if you don't have SD reader?
[2:36] <hadifarnoud> I was using my camera as SD reader
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[2:36] <hadifarnoud> it's broken now :(
[2:36] <hadifarnoud> sad story. lost a lot of photos too
[2:36] <hadifarnoud> I still have fat partition where the installer is. how can I boot to that?
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[2:46] <hadifarnoud> mongrelion: what is rubinius?
[2:47] <hadifarnoud> nevermind, googled it
[2:47] * mdp nods at mranostay
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[3:01] <harish> good morning from utc+8.
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[3:26] <The_Shadows> Hello. i have small problem i installed moc but i don't have any idea how start if because command moc won't do anything?
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[3:39] <MasterGeek> ACTION is away: I was raided by the police and all I got to keep was this lousy quit message!
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[3:52] <Ionic`> hmm does PC on x86_64 point to the current instruction, or next instruction?
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[3:57] <mranostay> magic
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[4:02] <Neutron5> ouch, gnome runs extremely slow on the RPI :P
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[4:07] <markbook> Yay!
[4:07] <markbook> I mean. oh that's too bad.
[4:07] <markbook> ;-)
[4:08] <mru> did anyone expect anything else?
[4:08] <mru> it's a puny little arm11 after all
[4:08] <mru> quite ram-starved too
[4:09] <mru> Ionic`: next
[4:09] <Neutron5> yeah I am not blaming it :>
[4:10] <mru> insofar you can access it at all
[4:10] <Ionic`> hmmm ok
[4:10] <Ionic`> thanks mru
[4:10] <Neutron5> and now I guess I have to restore the image because I have no idea how to get rid of it and get back to the old GUI :>
[4:11] <Ionic`> well I'm wondering my IP bit_xfer in my kernel log actually means that the nullptr deref happened in bit_xfer or the top-most function on stack (printk)
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[4:12] <hotwings> Neutron5 discovered rpi is not a ferrari ;)
[4:12] <mru> Ionic`: that's different
[4:13] <Neutron5> don't worry, I am very patient with slow/old systems and internet connections etc etc
[4:13] <mru> if the kernel is printing register dumps, it would be because of some exception
[4:13] <mru> and the exception return address is generally (I don't know if there are exceptions on x86) the instruction causing the exception
[4:13] <Ionic`> hm
[4:14] <mru> that's because usually you want to fix something and retry the instruction when this happens
[4:14] <mru> think page fault
[4:14] <Ionic`> yeah
[4:14] <Ionic`> but dereferencing a null pointer hum
[4:14] <mru> or if not, it's the faulting instruction that's interesting, not the next one
[4:15] <mru> that's just another page fault
[4:15] <Ionic`> hm
[4:15] <mru> to the hardware a null pointer is not special in any way
[4:15] <mru> you can map something to address zero
[4:15] <mru> doing so is usually a very bad idea
[4:15] <Ionic`> yeah, sure
[4:15] <mru> and linux won't even let you by default
[4:15] <mru> any more
[4:16] <mru> doing that was part of a privilege escalation exploit a while back
[4:16] <Ionic`> lol
[4:16] <Ionic`> ok
[4:16] <mru> it also involved a missing null pointer check in some driver
[4:16] <Ionic`> so I assume I shouldn't be looking at the IP but really at the top stacked function
[4:17] <mru> what exactly is your problem?
[4:17] <Ionic`> seems like my graphics driver is crashing while probing the intel gmbus thingy via i2c and doing a printk() (probably trying to tell me there was a timeout)
[4:17] <Ionic`> but for what I can tell the code doesn't look broken
[4:18] <mru> I bet it didn't to whoever wrote it either :)
[4:19] <Neutron5> which browser is this "Netsurf" browser in raspbian?
[4:19] <Ionic`> hehe
[4:19] <Neutron5> a renamed firefox or what? :>
[4:19] <Ionic`> right...
[4:20] <hotwings> it is? thats dumb
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[4:20] <chithead> http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
[4:20] <Ionic`> but I have to transcribe the oops message from images so meh
[4:20] <Neutron5> aha, so it is its own thing
[4:20] <chithead> I don't think you can reasonably run firefox on the pi
[4:20] <hotwings> whew, glad to hear it
[4:21] <hotwings> lynx might be more appropriate. performance not gauranteed
[4:22] <chithead> the console browsers are often too limited
[4:23] <Neutron5> yeah you can just as well open the HTML files in a text editor and make just as much sense of what the real page is supposed to look like :p
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[4:25] <maicod> when booting my Pi says 'DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 and then says interval 6 and then interval 13 etc. What is this interval thing for ? Can I set it to use the correct interval in one guess ?
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[4:34] <chithead> it uses some increasing semi-random value in order to not overload the dhcp server
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[4:44] <Sp0tter> anyone know if its possible to make raspxbmc auto shut off the tv like every other xbmc on other systems does?
[4:45] <Sp0tter> i cant find a "Turn off the display after x minutes" option in it
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[4:52] <Ionic`> mru: http://pastie.org/private/3npk8vqr7ivyeareemq0ya phew :/
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[5:09] <Ionic`> kernel patched... let's see if it works
[5:09] <Ionic`> reboot :/
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[5:25] <Gabtendo> so
[5:25] <Gabtendo> I got my Raspberry Pi today
[5:25] <Gabtendo> things I've learned:
[5:25] <Gabtendo> The G15 sucks power like a BITCH
[5:25] <Gabtendo> my mechanical keyboard should arrive Thursday though
[5:26] <Gabtendo> also, I still can't find an adapter on amazon that's 5v and 1a or 1.2 a that will work good with the raspi
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[5:26] <Gabtendo> preferably sold by amazon so I can overnight it
[5:26] <Gabtendo> I need it at my house by Friday
[5:30] <Gabtendo> I'm open to suggestions............
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[5:42] <kn1000> bit of a specific problem here, running xbian which works great except for the fact it runs as root.
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[5:42] <kn1000> I am not too bothered about this except it seems that transmission-daemon is running as user '105' and thus doesn't have access to my external hard drive.
[5:42] <kn1000> any idea what I can do so that transmission can write to hdd
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[6:04] <home> hi guys
[6:04] <home> man...
[6:05] <home> I gotta learn how to use dem GPIO's at one point..urgh
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[6:12] <home> that awkward moment, when there is a channel of 367 people not talking
[6:12] <Hodapp> suuuuuup
[6:12] <hotwings> Gabtendo - how can you not find a power source on amazon? there are tons of 5v 1a+ ones on there!
[6:12] <Hodapp> what do you need to know about GPIOs?
[6:14] <hotwings> home - thats nothin'.. theres channels that 4x this size that go silent :]
[6:14] <techsurvivor> shhhhh i'm sleeping over here
[6:14] <home> Hodapp: wondering if I can hook up an IR receiver to it
[6:14] <home> basically I got a logitec universal remote
[6:15] <home> and I want to....you know..
[6:15] <Hodapp> techsurvivor: IRC never sleeps. Wake the fuck up!
[6:15] <hotwings> home - why not do it the easy way and use a usb ir receiver? or are you looking for a project to fiddle with
[6:15] <hotwings> Hodapp - stop using foul language
[6:16] <techsurvivor> i don't think you'll get the gpio timing dependable enough to do IR remote
[6:16] <techsurvivor> linux goes off into the weeds too often
[6:16] <Hodapp> techsurvivor: I've gotten GPIO timing dependable enough to bit-bang SPI but I suppose that's different
[6:16] <Gabtendo> hotwings: for the US
[6:16] <Gabtendo> US
[6:16] <Gabtendo> not European power
[6:17] <Gabtendo> if you see one, link me
[6:17] <techsurvivor> IR requires usually 30 or 40 MHz, if you are master you can do almost whatever spi timing that you want, since you're the clock soruce
[6:17] <techsurvivor> khz
[6:17] <techsurvivor> derp
[6:17] <home> 0_0
[6:17] <home> i got a 2.4ghz ir receiver
[6:17] <Hodapp> 30-40 kHz, what, serial?
[6:17] <hotwings> Gabtendo - yes, there are tons.. go to amazon.com and type "micro usb phone charger 1a"
[6:17] <hotwings> you will have tons to choose from
[6:18] <home> hotwings: I am running with a 5v 550ma charger wired to gpio 2 and 6
[6:18] <home> and my pi runs from that..LOL
[6:18] <home> even..XBMC..not sure if its good for the charger though..derp
[6:18] <hotwings> daredevil!
[6:18] <techsurvivor> talking about modulation frequency :P, not frequency of the ir
[6:18] <home> techsurvivor: i am a noob
[6:18] <techsurvivor> heh
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[6:19] <techsurvivor> isn't ir teraherz or something in the EM spectrum?
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[6:19] <techsurvivor> i'd have to look it up
[6:19] <hotwings> what the
[6:19] <hotwings> lol
[6:19] <home> LL
[6:19] <home> LOL
[6:19] <Hodapp> techsurvivor: I'd think that the existing hardware could be leveraged though
[6:20] <techsurvivor> infrared is 405terahertz to 300Ghz
[6:21] <techsurvivor> anyway, i doubt it, linux isn't realtime, you might be able to get the demodutlation and signal sometimes but then linux woudl flush a file cache and you'd drop the signal. anyway i think usb is the way to go, let dedicated hardware take care of it ;)
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[6:22] <Gabtendo> hotwings: I would prefer 1.2a btw, also, the options are less than you think
[6:22] <techsurvivor> demodulation*
[6:22] <Gabtendo> you have to realize you have to actually find one that specifies voltage AND amperage
[6:22] <Gabtendo> and that's few and far between in it of itself
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[6:25] <hotwings> not when you search usb
[6:27] <hotwings> here, you can get yourself one with a nifty little amazon logo on it: http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Wall-Charger-Outlet-Output/dp/B005CG2ATQ/ref=pd_cp_cps_1
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[6:29] <hotwings> if knowing usb ports use 5v, because thats what the spec dictates, isnt enough.. there are plenty that will still provide that information: http://www.amazon.com/Naztech-N220-11881-Travel-Charger-Adaptor/dp/B0087D1UQ0/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&qid=1344399648&sr=8-25&keywords=micro+usb+phone+charger+1a
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[6:30] <Gabtendo> hotwings: It's well-known that there are many USB adapters out there that are not adequate in providing the needed consistent 5v
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[6:31] <hotwings> the opposite is well-known as well.. the moral of that story is dont buy junk
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[6:33] <Gabtendo> hotwings: Right, but you were implying that one could just assume it would be the case, and that would be obtuse.
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[6:33] <Gabtendo> also, that's a nice find
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[6:33] <Gabtendo> it's too bad there aren't any reviews on it to confirm it's not a load of "junk," as you put it
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[6:34] <Gabtendo> also, amazonbasics generally makes very nice items
[6:35] <hotwings> there isnt much risk with amazon in that regard imo. i recently exchanged an item for one of a different brand/price. they didnt charge me the difference, and didnt even ask me to send the original one i ordered back. no complaints there :)
[6:35] <hotwings> was a piece of cake.. then even shipped the new one by 2nd day air, no charge as well
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[6:37] <Gabtendo> hotwings: yeah, amazon is great
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[6:37] <Gabtendo> amazon has been so good to me that I nearly *always* buy there if I can
[6:37] <Gabtendo> it's just...reliable
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[6:37] <Gabtendo> and all the amazonbasics products I own are amazing
[6:37] <Gabtendo> literally, AMAZING
[6:38] <Gabtendo> if you're ever looking for any kind of computer cable, check to see if amazonbasics has one first
[6:38] <hotwings> amazon and newegg easily get majority of my orders
[6:38] <Gabtendo> you won't be disappointed
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[6:39] <Gabtendo> I ordered the amazonbasics one
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[6:39] <Gabtendo> I can't believe I didn't check if they had one first
[6:39] <Gabtendo> >.<
[6:40] <Gabtendo> For me, price isn't really an object, but the amazonbasics things are often considerably cheaper than the competition
[6:40] <Gabtendo> yet they blow the competition out of the water quality-wise
[6:42] <home> bull
[6:42] <home> link me
[6:42] <home> I need mah shit ordered
[6:42] <home> i hate looking around town
[6:42] <home> waste of TIME
[6:42] <home> LINK ME now!
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[7:01] <dan408> hiya
[7:01] <TeeCee> Hi
[7:02] <dan408> anyone here experienced with kernel/os porting?
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[7:42] <xiambax> So whats with this asshole attacking raspbmc.com?
[7:42] <techsurvivor> :(
[7:42] <techsurvivor> i was just looking through the forums and looks like someone might be messing with it according to chrome
[7:43] <techsurvivor> you get something about "charityairsupport.org" ?
[7:43] <xiambax> Yeah a dev thats pissed about it being released
[7:44] <xiambax> So I'm going to order a crystalhd card for my Apple TV. apparently it still out preforms rpi.
[7:44] <xiambax> And then a few boards.
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[7:45] <techsurvivor> how much does it cost?
[7:46] <xiambax> a CrystelHD Card?
[7:46] <xiambax> 40 bucks?
[7:46] <xiambax> Made by the guy who makes raspbmc
[7:46] <xiambax> Crystalbuntu is his baby
[7:46] <xiambax> which installs linux on the first ten Apple TV and provides support for the cystalhd card
[7:47] <xiambax> then runs xbmc
[7:47] <techsurvivor> cool
[7:50] <cmug> ATV1, ATV2 or ATV3 ?
[7:50] <cmug> I run XBMC on an ATV2
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[7:50] <xiambax> ATV1
[7:50] <xiambax> 1080p playback on the first gen with that new card
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[7:52] <cmug> yeah, I think you can only get that for the 1st gen
[7:52] <xiambax> Yes, because the newer ones run iOS and are not so much a system as they are a giant locked down iphone
[7:53] <cmug> Right
[7:53] <cmug> I'm satisfied with mine, keeps the missus happy watching TV
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[7:53] <cmug> 720p output for hd, but I can't see the difference anyway
[7:53] <xiambax> I can tell
[7:53] <xiambax> lol
[7:53] <xiambax> I have a good LED tv though
[7:54] <cmug> I have a 1080p projector if I really want to watch a movie from bluray
[7:55] <xiambax> How do you hack a motarolla tab to work with raspberry pi
[7:55] <techsurvivor> anyone know of a guide for using i2c (in c) for the raspberry pi? lots of stuff on gpio but not i2c. I found one page http://www.robot-electronics.co.uk/htm/raspberry_pi_examples.htm but instructions don't seem to work.
[7:58] <xiambax> ah nm found it
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[8:17] <gordonDrogon> techsurvivor, I'll be using I2c in the next couple of days (from C).
[8:17] <gordonDrogon> but not today as it's a YRS day.
[8:17] * gordonDrogon yawns
[8:17] <techsurvivor> it's working :)
[8:18] <techsurvivor> it's just smarter than me, i think it was looking for the slave device to take over the data line :P
[8:18] <techsurvivor> so the error message was right heh
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[8:18] <techsurvivor> the information on that page is a little old, but the programs work, it was written before spi/i2c was in the official release
[8:22] <Gadget-Work> gordonDrogon, ping
[8:22] <Gadget-Work> Or indeed anyone.
[8:23] <Gadget-Work> Any got experience of controlling a desk fan ?
[8:23] <Gadget-Work> ie change speed.
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[8:34] <techsurvivor> i think most desktop fans are hardwired to 3 or 4 speeds with different windings. they aren't really "variable"
[8:34] <techsurvivor> desk*
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[8:35] <techsurvivor> if you're talking just your standard box fan type that you get at the department store
[8:38] <Gadget-Work> Thats the one.
[8:39] <Gadget-Work> Although at the end of the day it's a motor, so I guess something like speed control of a drill could be applied
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[8:45] <MobileWill> Hello, anyone working with php on the Pi and shell exec?
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[8:46] <MobileWill> I have a bash script that runs IRSEND and outputs text, if i run it as www-data it works but if I run it from php it only outputs the text and never runs irsend
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[8:52] <techsurvivor> MobileWill: add yourself to the www-data group?
[8:52] <techsurvivor> or whatever php runs as?
[8:52] <techsurvivor> i think i ran across something like that playing with nginx and php
[8:52] <MobileWill> i su to ww-data and ran from the the prompt
[8:52] <techsurvivor> could be wrong of course
[8:53] <MobileWill> its driving me nuts, idk if it is a distro issue. I am using ladyada build
[8:54] <MobileWill> at least init.d works for lircd in squeeze it didn't
[8:54] <techsurvivor> i don't know, that's the only idea I had :)
[8:54] <Tachyon`> MobileWill
[8:54] <Tachyon`> are teh paths right
[8:54] <Tachyon`> you may need absolute paths
[8:55] <Tachyon`> and if it's showing text but not executing the code I'd say either it needs an absolute path to the tool or www-data doesn't have permission to run it
[8:55] <Tachyon`> or both
[8:55] <MobileWill> but su to www-data works, i can't find where irsend is located really odd
[8:55] <Tachyon`> whereis irsend?
[8:55] <Tachyon`> find / -name irsend?
[8:56] <techsurvivor> or even find / -iname "*irsend*" if you get desperate
[8:56] <MobileWill> your find parameters worked to find it couldn't earilier
[8:56] <MobileWill> lol
[8:56] <Tachyon`> lol
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[8:57] <Tachyon`> but yes, absolute paths and check the permissions
[8:57] <MobileWill> use absoulte path worked, wonder why in squeeze it didn't need that
[8:58] <MobileWill> also noticed that in squeeze when i compiled lircd it created the init.d script in wheezy i had to manully set that up
[8:59] <MobileWill> maybe it didn't setup irsend in the path correctly
[8:59] <MobileWill> how can i check the path
[9:01] <Tachyon`> I'm not sure what you mean?
[9:01] <Tachyon`> set | grep PATH
[9:01] <Tachyon`> althoguh that might not be what you meant
[9:02] <Tachyon`> incidentally, what is it with debian filling the env vars with crap? like dozens of pages of it?
[9:02] <MobileWill> looks like its the php path doesn't have usr/local/bin
[9:03] <MobileWill> its has usr/bin
[9:04] <Tachyon`> hrm, okay
[9:04] <MobileWill> thanks for helping, i spent all night on this after messing up sudoers file and stating from stratch again
[9:04] <MobileWill> i upgrade to wheezy and had to redo my IR control from a php website
[9:05] <MobileWill> http://www.mobilewill.us/2012/07/raspberry-pi-and-commandir.html
[9:05] <techsurvivor> it's never a bad idea to keep a backup copy of your /etc :D
[9:05] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, hi
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[9:06] <gordonDrogon> Gadget-Work, yea, if they're synchronous motors then they just add in more windings - might get away with pwm control via a zero crossing electronic switch with the fan on full speed...
[9:06] <MobileWill> at least fro now on my php code will have absolute path
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> I'm off to Plymouth YRS now - laters!
[9:06] <MobileWill> i almost want to restore my old image and see what the path looks like in php
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[9:17] <Halts> fuck using a wireless adapter.
[9:17] <techsurvivor> start drilling
[9:18] <Halts> ill run a cable through the wall or something
[9:18] <Halts> idc
[9:18] <Halts> 2 usb hubs and neither worked.
[9:19] <xiambax> pulling cat is easy
[9:20] <techsurvivor> my cat will scratch you if you pull her
[9:20] <dan408> fuck the linux kernel.
[9:20] <dan408> wait wat/
[9:20] <dan408> ?
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[9:21] <techsurvivor> linux is like democracy, it's a terrible thing, but it's better than all the alternatives
[9:23] <dan408> so windows isn't an alternative? :)
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[9:23] <SLFCore> greetings
[9:23] <dan408> gereetings
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[9:24] <SLFCore> does any read pdf files on RPi?
[9:24] <techsurvivor> hola... i did hear that m$ ported windows to arm, maybe there's some hope they'll put it on rpi
[9:24] <dan408> techsurvivor: doubtful, they ported it for tablets.
[9:24] <techsurvivor> i was joking
[9:24] <SLFCore> techsurvivor: i dont think its ARM v6
[9:24] <SLFCore> lol
[9:24] <techsurvivor> i hated working with windows embedded
[9:24] <dan408> i have a tegra and a touchpad
[9:24] <dan408> i want to port fedora to.
[9:25] <nid0> I <3 my touchpad
[9:25] <dan408> <3
[9:25] <dan408> i got the kernel compiled
[9:25] <dan408> i need to the hard work now
[9:26] <dan408> put it on moboot
[9:26] <techsurvivor> which touchpad?
[9:26] <dan408> and boot some kind of image
[9:26] <dan408> 32gb
[9:26] <dan408> i already have cm9
[9:26] <dan408> dual boot with webos
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[9:26] <dan408> i followed crimsonredmk's build instructions for arch linux
[9:27] <dan408> i used the config from tenderloin kernel
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[9:27] <dan408> i have a uimage built
[9:28] <dan408> with betterinitramfs
[9:28] <xiambax> Crazy thunderstorm here
[9:28] <SLFCore> is there any terminal based pdf viewer?
[9:28] <dan408> no.
[9:29] <Fleck> xiambax where? :D
[9:29] <mjr> well, pdftotext and similar
[9:29] <jaxdahl> lp foo.pdf
[9:29] <xiambax> Whistler
[9:29] <xiambax> British Columbia
[9:29] <jaxdahl> do you go bobsledding
[9:30] <SLFCore> so how does anyone view pdf's on their Pi?
[9:30] <jaxdahl> with X
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[9:31] <SLFCore> yeh but which software do you recommend?
[9:31] <jaxdahl> perhaps you are looking for a framebuffer pdf viewer?
[9:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> kpdf
[9:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> all depends really
[9:31] <SLFCore> evince is very slow on the Pi
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[9:32] <jaxdahl> SLFCore, did you try "less foo.pdf"
[9:32] <jaxdahl> the results may surprise you
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[9:32] <jaxdahl> http://linuxers.org/howto/howto-open-images-linux-console-using-fbi-console-based-image-viewer
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[9:32] <xiambax> and my power just went out
[9:32] <myyers> fbgs which is part of fbi
[9:33] <SLFCore> jaxdahl: gonna try that out now
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[9:58] <booyaa> lo
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[10:01] <Jck_true> Wrote a driver for LCDproc and hooked it up to the i2c GPIO on my raspberry :) http://files.furyfire.info/LCDProc/ -
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[10:02] <jaxdahl> this is me shuddering a bit at your soldering
[10:02] <jaxdahl> but cool.
[10:02] <Jck_true> jaxdahl: SMD machines were invented for a reason :P
[10:02] <xiambax> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk92g-Erfc4
[10:03] <TeeCee> booyaa: Hi
[10:03] <bircoe> seen worse soldering
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[10:19] <Arch-MBP> anyone know the resizefs command that i would need to go from 4 gigs to 16 gigs? id use gparted but i kind of want to do it remote
[10:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> yes it easy
[10:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> well you can use parted from ssh
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[10:21] <Arch-MBP> ok
[10:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> or dd the image to the partition and then
[10:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> e2fsck /dev/sda1
[10:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> resizefs /dev/sda1 -a
[10:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> just checking now
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[10:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=10914&p=129474&hilit=resizefs#p122476 with the typo
[10:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> the following command has the correct resize2fs ... name
[10:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> if you already hav eit sorted then use parted instead of gparted and you cna do it via a command line
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[10:25] <Arch-MBP> RaTTuS|BIG: ohh awesome..thank you
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[10:51] <dwatkins> hooray, my Pi has been up over a day without the network dropping :)
[10:51] <dwatkins> also, good morning
[10:52] <TeeCee> \o/
[10:52] <dwatkins> I'm not sure it's because the power supply I'm using is better, or the fact I've got it pinging the router continuously ...
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[11:26] <TheBrayn> http://www.davespace.co.uk/arm/introduction-to-arm/task-one.html do you have any idea how I can run this on the rpi?
[11:27] <buZz> click
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[11:28] <buZz> TheBrayn: you want to run asm on the raspi?
[11:28] <TheBrayn> yes I do
[11:28] <buZz> i think there are a lot of 'how do i code asm on beagleboard' documents
[11:28] <buZz> read one ;)
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[11:29] <booyaa> TheBrayn: go up a level http://www.davespace.co.uk/arm/index.html look at the GNU ARM ass lang syntax
[11:29] <booyaa> that's assuming you want to use GNU toolchain over ARM dev kit
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[11:29] <buZz> exactly ;)
[11:29] <buZz> of course he is using GNU
[11:29] <TheBrayn> the syntax isn't the problem
[11:29] <TheBrayn> compiling it is the problem
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[11:31] <booyaa> odd that when you get to something as low level as assembly syntax is very important
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[11:32] <booyaa> even on the c64 you had different or custom mnemonics for different assemlbers
[11:32] <booyaa> speaking of which i would really love to get dcpu-16 emulation working on the rpi
[11:33] <TeeCee> booyaa: Somebody working on that?
[11:33] <booyaa> well in theory it's already there
[11:33] <booyaa> someone wrote a toolchain to compile and run code
[11:33] <TeeCee> There is a emulator for Linux, right?
[11:33] <TeeCee> aha
[11:33] <booyaa> yes several
[11:33] <booyaa> there's even a mono one if you're so inclined
[11:34] <TeeCee> *shivers*
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[11:34] <booyaa> but i'd love to see raw one, i think someone has made a bootloader that will start up dcpu-16 os
[11:35] <TeeCee> Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of...
[11:36] <booyaa> it would be kinda cute rig up a 0x010c space ship
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[11:42] <TeeCee> Yeah
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[11:57] <sam> yay, I got my RPi this morning
[11:57] <Fleck> congrats sam :)
[11:58] <sam> now I just need to figure out what to do besides spinning 3D cubes
[12:00] <SuperRoach> congrats sam :)
[12:00] <SuperRoach> I find web serve all the things helps.
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[12:09] <Gadgetoid> Wheeeee!
[12:10] <SuperRoach> ?
[12:10] <Gadgetoid> It's French for yes?
[12:10] <Gadgetoid> Ayoo! Actually, it's just a peculiar shorthand way of announcing my return from holiday
[12:11] <phire> sam, spin some other kind of 3d shape
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[12:13] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: what news have ye of WiringPi?
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[12:18] <sam> phire: good idea
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[12:24] <SuperRoach> Has anyone received their libow case yet?
[12:26] <Gadgetoid> SuperRoach: No :( I ordered way too late, after the Pi-dotting
[12:26] <SuperRoach> aw.
[12:26] <buZz> you mean the pibow?
[12:26] <Gadgetoid> That case should win some sort of design award, though, the concept is exceedingly clever
[12:27] <Gadgetoid> It blows the quality and rigidity of 3d printed alternatives out of the water, and is much, much easier to mass produce
[12:28] <sam> phire: http://zoy.org/~sam/lolo.ogv ;-)
[12:28] <Gadgetoid> The Hobbytronics guys have a dedicated Raspberry Pi section now, yay
[12:29] <buZz> Gadgetoid: but not adaptable for all the variantions in raspi board size
[12:29] <Gadgetoid> buZz: variations!?
[12:29] <buZz> yeah
[12:30] <SuperRoach> buZz, lol yes. The Pibow.
[12:30] <phire> lego!!!
[12:30] <SuperRoach> What variations are there? the model a/b?
[12:31] <buZz> no model b has many different sizes
[12:31] <buZz> look at the cases on thingiverse and read the comments
[12:31] <trevorman> The PCB does vary slightly in size
[12:32] <nx5> the pibow kind of makes compartments inside
[12:33] <nx5> looks like it could hinder air circulation an it looks like it would make heatsink installation difficul too
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[12:33] <sam> how's air circulation with the pibow? it looks very solid
[12:33] <SuperRoach> buZz, ah that's interesting, thanks.
[12:34] <buZz> trevorman: i've read that it variates at least 2mm in both dimensions over different versions
[12:34] <buZz> and the connectors are also not always 'straight'
[12:34] <bmwiedemann> Hi, I was thinking to rebase bcm/raspberry patches from 3.1.9 to 3.4.6 kernel - did anyone try that yet?
[12:35] <trevorman> buZz: the PCB on my two differ by about 1mm in one direction and about 0.5mm in the other
[12:35] <trevorman> the connectors seem to line up but I could see them being slightly off as well on some RPis
[12:36] <Gadgetoid> Hmm, better hope that one of my Pi's fits the Pibow then :D
[12:36] <buZz> well, its not that tight :)
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[12:36] <buZz> bmwiedemann: cool idea, there is some guy working on 3.2 kernel atm
[12:36] <buZz> bmwiedemann: what are you hoping to gain by going to 3.4 straight away?
[12:36] <Gadgetoid> buZz: A higher number, naturally!
[12:36] <buZz> :)
[12:37] <bmwiedemann> buZz: it would make it more straightforward for openSUSE-12.2 which comes with 3.4 kernel. and 3.2 is outdated anyway
[12:37] <trevorman> I'm happy with the modmypi cases anyway. I'm not keen on the look of the Pibow. The many compartments look strange to me :)
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[12:37] <buZz> bmwiedemann: wow, are you an opensuse user?
[12:37] <buZz> bmwiedemann: by choice?
[12:38] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: presumably those compartments are the port reinforcement I keep whining about, so I'd have been a hypocrite not to order one
[12:38] <bmwiedemann> buZz: yes. any I made http://zq1.de/~bernhard/linux/opensuse/raspberrypi-opensuse-20120807.img.gz
[12:38] <buZz> awesome :)
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[12:39] <buZz> i didnt expect normal users to run opensuse
[12:39] <buZz> i just see it used at companies
[12:39] <buZz> because they fear learning debian usually ;)
[12:39] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: Yeah. I think that is what the compartments are for as well. It would be quite weak if you didn't have it.
[12:39] <TheBrayn> I know some people who use opensuse and really like it
[12:39] <buZz> TheBrayn: be sure to spam them someone is porting it to raspi ;)
[12:40] <bmwiedemann> buZz: I would not count me as "normal" user... more a senior developer
[12:40] <buZz> heh
[12:40] <buZz> i want a job with business cards again
[12:40] <buZz> and then get them to print 'senior hacker' on it
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[12:49] <sirclockalot> does anyone know how to hard float compile the linux kernel using mac ports?
[12:49] <booyaa> principal hacker
[12:49] <booyaa> or chief executive hacker
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[12:50] <booyaa> sirclockalot: you mean compile the pi linux kernel using cross compilers?
[12:51] <sirclockalot> yes well i have mac ports and installed arm-none-eabi-binutils
[12:51] <sirclockalot> but not sure what the next step is to set it to use HF
[12:51] <sirclockalot> i think i have misunderstood something when it comes to compiling it a certain way
[12:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> just use a cross comiler there are several mentioned on the RPI pages
[12:52] <Gadgetoid> sirclockalot: cut your losses and roll a linux VM :D
[12:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> why do you need to rebuild the kernel anyway ?
[12:52] <sirclockalot> i wanted to mess around and try doing it myself
[12:52] <sirclockalot> no real reason
[12:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> kk
[12:53] <RaTTuS|BIG> you can do it on the RPI if you have time approx 6hrs for 1st build
[12:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/ <- may help
[13:00] <sirclockalot> i'm just wondering why with arm-none-eabi-binutils i can't compile with the hard float ABI
[13:00] <sirclockalot> gentoo has armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi
[13:00] <sirclockalot> but i can't find something similar for macports
[13:01] <Gadgetoid> sirclockalot: cut your losses and roll a linux VM...
[13:01] <sirclockalot> what is the equivalent with the raspberry pi cross compiles
[13:01] <sirclockalot> kk
[13:01] <Gadgetoid> I wouldn't do it anyway, trying to use Macports, fink and the like is irritating enough as it is, without actually trying to be productive with it :D
[13:02] <Gadgetoid> Rather, I wouldn't do it "any other way", I always run some flavour of linux in Parallels (you can use Virtualbox instead) to do the stuff that OSX is just a pain-in-the-backside at
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[13:04] <sirclockalot> sounds like a plan
[13:04] <sirclockalot> what linux flavor would you suggest?
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[13:08] <buZz> paprika
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[13:11] <booyaa> sirclockalot: it's probably out of date, but element14's raspberrypi section had a vm for cross compiling
[13:11] <Gadgetoid> sirclockalot: I use debian, but it's more a matter of preference and familiarity than anything else
[13:11] <sirclockalot> was just going to install mint
[13:11] <sirclockalot> keep it simple
[13:12] <sirclockalot> all i need is something to compile
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[13:18] <sirclockalot> where is the toolchain for hard float cross compiling?
[13:19] <sam> for a Linux host?
[13:19] <buZz> gnu.org/gcc ?
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[13:23] <sirclockalot> ok
[13:23] <booyaa> sirclockalot: have a look at this gist https://gist.github.com/3119325
[13:25] <sirclockalot> is that not for compiling on raspian?
[13:25] <sirclockalot> i want to compile from X86_64
[13:25] <sirclockalot> to ARMv6HardFloat
[13:30] <sam> you don't really compile "from", the host system mostly dictates the compiler binaries' executable format
[13:30] <sam> there are Linux binaries available everywhere... if you x86_64 is something else, you'll first need to build the compiler
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[13:40] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1/how-do-i-build-a-gcc-4-7-toolchain-for-cross-compiling
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[14:18] <Iota> http://raspberryip.org/ free subdomains. Same with .com
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[14:19] <thrawed> Iota: I think the raspberrypi guys would have to send a lawyer at you to protect their trademark
[14:20] <Iota> I'll welcome it.
[14:20] <thrawed> they're sorta obliged to, otherwise they could lose the trademark
[14:21] <Iota> I'm really not fused. I bought the domain with intent to start a project. I gave up, thought I'd give free subdomains to the community. If they want ownership of them I'd probably give them up to no expense.
[14:21] <cornflake> get some free pi
[14:21] <Iota> Lol.
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[14:28] <thrawed> Iota: you should start a web hosting service, where you only use pies for machines
[14:29] <thrawed> so all your servers and routers are pies
[14:29] <TheBrayn> why?
[14:29] <Iota> Lol.
[14:31] <Iota> My original idea was to be something Internet based, hence the play on Pi being IP.
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[14:31] <thrawed> TheBrayn: to make use of the domain
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[14:31] <Iota> But I shall keep it to myself incase one day I decide to do it.
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[14:40] <drogon> well that worked.
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[14:41] <drogon> current location firewalls irc, so ssh -X twice, then run xchat on my workstation...
[14:41] <Iota> Haha. :-P
[14:41] <Iota> Sneaky.
[14:42] <drogon> I'm running an X app. on my worsktation, relaying via my home/office router/firewall via the 'net then via the wifi connection where I am (plymouth uny)
[14:43] <drogon> ssh'd into a Pi in my office, but I forgot to hook up my webcam so I can see the LEDs conected to it )-:
[14:43] <Iota> The Uni filters irc?!
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[14:45] <buZz> i just have ssh to irssi running in screen ;)
[14:45] <Iota> ^
[14:46] <thrawed> drogon: is it worth being fired over?
[14:46] <scriptx> that's a lot of effort drogon!
[14:46] <phire> 1st amendment right
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[14:47] <Iota> My work require us all to have and use an irc client on our computers. :-P
[14:47] * Matt also uses irssi inside screen via ssh
[14:47] <drogon> thrawed, I'm self employed - hang, I'm fired!
[14:47] <drogon> I'm hired :)
[14:48] <scriptx> is X11 forwarding more favorable than just ssh port forwarding?
[14:48] <drogon> the firewall is (I'm told) just a reasonable efforts thing - to stop things like 'bots running which use IRC, etc.
[14:48] <drogon> scriptx, ssh -X is just a form of port forwarding, but the sshd sort of helps you by setting DISPLAY, eytc.
[14:49] <acausal> do -CX
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[14:50] <thrawed> scriptx: depends what your bandwidth is like
[14:50] <Hodapp> X isn't particularly high-bandwidth but it is very chatty.
[14:50] <Hodapp> It makes a lot of round-trips.
[14:50] <scriptx> I have to run windows workstations at the office, but I tunnel everything personal through to ssh at home. No native use for X11 here.
[14:50] <drogon> yea, it's working ok thouh - I have 800Kb/sec outgoing in the office.
[14:51] <Hodapp> which is why NX was invented in the first place, really.
[14:51] <drogon> if they have IPv6 running where I am now, then I could simply set DISPLAY and do it directly, as all my home/office stuff is IPv6 too.
[14:52] <Hodapp> drogon: but you don't have IPv6 now?
[14:52] <drogon> not where I am right now.
[14:52] <drogon> although if you check 'drogon' here it will be IPv6 as it's originating from my office workstation.
[14:52] <drogon> (and gordonDrogon)
[14:52] <Hodapp> Do you use a tunnel service?
[14:52] <drogon> one of these days I'll work out how to use it from different places with the same name ...
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[14:53] <drogon> no, I have native IPv6.
[14:53] <Hodapp> nice.
[14:53] <acausal> native ipv6 <3
[14:53] <drogon> my ISP won't let me do reverse dns on it though.
[14:54] <buZz> our ISP does ;)
[14:54] <Hodapp> my friend tried to get IPv6 through the business-class ISP he was using for our hackerspace, and I think he got to the point where he was screaming "I-P-V-6, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS! HAVE YOU HEARD OF IT? I don't CARE if you 'don't ever support IPv5 yet'!"
[14:54] <drogon> my hosting one does, but not my connectivity one.
[14:54] <buZz> but they forgot to turn it on on the router they provided (N)
[14:54] <buZz> Hodapp: our hackerspace has sponsored business internet aswell :P
[14:54] <buZz> Hodapp: but with native ipv6, supposedly
[14:54] <Hodapp> buZz: we have TWC and can't seem to get IPv6 through them
[14:54] <buZz> TWC?
[14:55] <Hodapp> time warner
[14:55] <buZz> ah
[14:55] <Hodapp> I guess that's a more regional thing
[14:55] <buZz> derpcompany
[14:55] <thrawed> Hodapp: topic
[14:55] <drogon> if you check the IP for watertower.drogon.net you ought to get an AAAA record for it.
[14:55] <mjr> Hodapp, heh. Sounds like tunneling time. Or ISP switch time if they're that clueless ;]
[14:55] <buZz> couldnt you get a sony or EMI connection? :D
[14:55] <drogon> that's my office router.
[14:55] <buZz> Hodapp: i thought most ppl call warner's network department by its original name
[14:55] <Hodapp> around here for consumer intarwebz - and for cheaper business intarwebz, i.e. not leased-line - Cincinnati Bell and Time Warner are about the only games in town
[14:55] <buZz> Hodapp: you know, AOL
[14:56] <Hodapp> buZz: Most people call it Roadrunner
[14:56] <buZz> oh really?
[14:56] <Hodapp> yeah
[14:56] <buZz> roadrunner was bought by AOL?
[14:56] <drogon> just been out and bought a pair of NES controllers!
[14:56] <buZz> drogon: woot
[14:56] <mjr> my ISP does give even reverse dns for v6 addresses, but apparently the new ubuntu has those "anonymized" addresses for outgoing connections by default, so no reverse on irc... OTOH, vanity visible ipv6 address ;P
[14:56] <buZz> hehe
[14:56] <buZz> check my ipv4 reverse dns ;)
[14:56] <mjr> could probably set it to bind to the mac-corresponding address
[14:56] <drogon> ?7... from a market in Plymouth!
[14:56] <mjr> set irssi to bind, that is
[14:56] <Hodapp> They're not AOL Time Warner anymore
[14:57] <Hodapp> thrawed: what?
[14:57] <drogon> nurdspace :)
[14:57] <buZz> drogon: thats our hackerspace ;)
[14:57] <buZz> Hodapp: they will always be AOL warner bros time.com
[14:58] <Hodapp> buZz: the relationship with AOL was severed though, I thought
[14:58] <buZz> just because the company doesnt want to use the name, doesnt mean we have to follow what they sasy
[14:58] <buZz> -s
[14:58] <drogon> buZz, looks good...
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[14:59] <dennistlg> hey all anyone there playing with dsi?
[14:59] <buZz> Hodapp: warner still owns AOL
[14:59] <Hodapp> "On May 28, 2009, Time Warner announced that it would spin off AOL as a separate independent company, with the change occurring on December 9, 2009."
[14:59] <buZz> Hodapp: 'spun off into seperate company' aka 'we get the profits, you keep the name'
[15:00] <thrawed> Hodapp: have you read it?
[15:00] <Hodapp> but as far as I know, Roadrunner predated the AOL merger and kept fairly separate
[15:00] <buZz> i wonder if nullsoft now belongs to Time Warner or to AOL
[15:00] <Hodapp> thrawed: Yes. Why?
[15:00] <buZz> Hodapp: yeah, but before Time Warner bought AOL there was no roadrunner
[15:00] <buZz> Hodapp: and afterwards, there was
[15:00] <buZz> which makes you wonder ;)
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[15:00] <buZz> anyway
[15:01] <buZz> when will EMI buy Time Warner already?
[15:01] <thrawed> Hodapp: 13:52
[15:01] <Hodapp> buZz: No, Roadrunner was around long before the merger... I knew friends who had it years before the merger
[15:02] <thrawed> Hodapp: sorry, 13:52 GMT + 1
[15:02] <buZz> Hodapp: oh, you are right, 5 years before
[15:02] <buZz> well
[15:03] <buZz> it stays sad to see .. content providers becoming connection providers
[15:03] <buZz> that will not end well
[15:03] <Hodapp> no, no it won't.
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[15:04] <Hodapp> thrawed: It's not clear to me what the issue is that you're trying to call me out on here, or why.
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[15:04] <Hodapp> buZz: though it seems to matter less and less to me because I watch less and less stuff, mostly on Netflix if at all
[15:04] <buZz> if i watch 'tv' i just download a couple of seasons
[15:05] <Hodapp> I do that sometimes too if it's not on Netflix
[15:05] <buZz> also i distribute all the stuff i download amongst others
[15:05] <buZz> netflix doesnt exist here
[15:05] <Hodapp> where's here?
[15:05] <buZz> netherlands
[15:05] <Hodapp> ahhh
[15:05] <buZz> where as shitloads of bandwidth exists here like grass :D
[15:05] <drogon> land of chocolate sprinkles, round cheese and liquorice ;-)
[15:06] <buZz> ;)
[15:06] <buZz> dont forget the xenofoobs
[15:06] <Hodapp> I wish I had that here
[15:06] <Hodapp> ...not the xenophones
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[15:06] <buZz> Hodapp: you want liquorice?
[15:06] <Hodapp> sure
[15:06] <buZz> :)
[15:06] <buZz> not many foreigners like it
[15:06] <Hodapp> few people here can stand the flavor
[15:06] <Hodapp> I love it
[15:07] * Dyskette just got back from Denmark, brought a kilo of salty liquorice with her
[15:07] <Hodapp> especially things like Ouzo
[15:07] <Hodapp> I've never tried salty liquorice before
[15:07] <Dyskette> Best kind.
[15:08] <buZz> Hodapp: have anything to trade? :P
[15:08] <Hodapp> buZz: A lot of propaganda about free markets and capitalism
[15:09] <buZz> hmm meh
[15:09] <buZz> i _have_ a free market
[15:10] <buZz> just offer something to trade for a shitload of assorted liquorice
[15:10] <buZz> ;)
[15:10] <unknownbit> yay my pi arrived in less than a week :)
[15:10] <Hodapp> buZz: Beer?
[15:10] <buZz> hehe
[15:10] <buZz> i would love some 40oz bottles of beer
[15:11] <buZz> but i imagine shipping would be insanely expensive
[15:11] <Hodapp> most beer here that comes in 40 oz bottles is what homeless people drink
[15:11] <mjr> mm, salmiakki
[15:11] <buZz> i am almost homeless
[15:11] <Hodapp> but Cinci has some damn good local breweries
[15:11] <buZz> well, on paper i have been homeless for over 10 years
[15:11] <Hodapp> o_O
[15:11] <buZz> i am not so good in self-representation in goverment databases ;)
[15:12] <buZz> Hodapp: are you a member of a hackerspace?
[15:12] <Hodapp> yes
[15:12] <Hodapp> #hive13
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[15:21] <drogon> just refreshing my memory of the nes controllers - will have them on my Pi tonight!
[15:22] <drogon> and it's 4000 CMOS so will run directly at 3.3v too.
[15:23] <Hodapp> drogon: hey, nice!
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[15:23] <Hodapp> gonna run those with a NES emulator?
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[15:25] <drogon> Hodapp, not my initial intention since I've never owned an NES system - I just wanted to add something to the Game Port IO on the Pi...
[15:26] <Hodapp> Game Port IO?
[15:26] <buZz> lol
[15:26] <drogon> GPIO - Game Port IO
[15:26] * buZz hugs drogon
[15:26] <Hodapp> :P
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[15:26] <dennistlg> have runing a few led on them
[15:26] <Hodapp> I wonder if that guy ever came back who was running PCSX
[15:26] <Hodapp> I was curious how well it worked for him
[15:27] <drogon> dennistlg, Just getting LEDs going is neat if you've never done anything like that before!
[15:29] <drogon> PCSX? Playstation emulator? I imagine it'd go quite slow though... isn't there lots of custom hardware on he PS ?
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[15:31] <dennistlg> Thank you. have played with such things on a router but he has little ram/rom to play with.
[15:32] <Hodapp> drogon: On the Playstation, not so much
[15:32] <dennistlg> on android phones with under 1ghz emulator for psx is not playable
[15:32] <Hodapp> weird, I could have sworn on some much slower hardware I'd played it satisfactorily
[15:32] <Gadgetoid> PCSX is??? unlikely
[15:32] <Gadgetoid> The Pandora does it playable at ~800Mhz though??? ish
[15:33] <dennistlg> ok when its high optmized to the gpu it can go.
[15:33] <Gadgetoid> That's much, much, much more heavily optimised than the half-hearted tat you get on Android
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[15:34] <luigi> What's a good DE for the pi?
[15:35] <luigi> I'm thinking GNOME is far too ram-intensive to really run
[15:35] <dennistlg> but anyway. do we have a good kernel coder here? I coded a little bit for android phone) but i need help to extract dsi releated things from a source to merge it in a pi kernel
[15:36] <Hodapp> luigi: Meh, I'd run fluxbox or WindowMaker.
[15:36] <dennistlg> (its a anbdroid kernel source from samsung) it has smiliar brodcom soc as pi )
[15:37] <luigi> Hodapp: WindowMaker? Never heard of that one
[15:37] <luigi> But thanks!
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[15:37] <Hodapp> luigi: IceWM is also quite minimal.
[15:37] <buZz> LXDE is awesome aswell
[15:37] <Hodapp> I used to use all these when my primary desktop was something not nearly as fast as an RPi.
[15:37] <buZz> or XFCE
[15:37] <buZz> both are full DE
[15:38] <Hodapp> LXDE and XFCE are quite a bit heavier than IceWM, fluxbox, and WindowMaker
[15:38] <luigi> Yeah, I'm looking for full DE
[15:38] <Hodapp> may not matter
[15:38] <luigi> Well, I think I'll try out LXDE. But if it's too slow, I'll try IceWM with some extra DE goodies added
[15:39] <Hodapp> for some unknown reason I've just always preferred launching apps from the commandline over trying to find where I stuck the icon
[15:40] * Matt nods
[15:40] <Matt> I do the same
[15:41] <Matt> $ ps ax | grep bash | wc -l
[15:41] <Matt> 25
[15:41] <w0m> i haven't used desktop icons for ~decade due to annoyance of searching through them
[15:42] <luigi> I use stuff like dmenu
[15:43] <luigi> Where you hit one key (or a combination) type just enough to differentiate the program you want from similar options, and hit enter
[15:43] <drogon> luigi, I'm running xfce4 on the Pi's I have a display on.
[15:43] <luigi> So to open chromium, it's just [Mod4]chr[Enter]
[15:43] <drogon> but I turn off all the 'desktop' stuff, so no desktop icons, etc.
[15:43] <luigi> drogon: What distro?
[15:43] <drogon> luigi, raspbian (is there anyting else ;-)
[15:44] <w0m> sounds nice; was the best feature added to windows vista. Macs have that as 'spotlight' i think
[15:44] <luigi> drogon: Arch Linux ARM
[15:44] <Matt> luigi: like typing the start of the command and hitting tab in a shell? :)
[15:44] <drogon> I run xfce4 on my normal desktop PC too and laptop...
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[15:44] <luigi> Matt: Yes, but minus the overhead of running a terminal emulator in X. =P
[15:44] <drogon> and I only put it on the Pi as I was using the very early raspbian release and they had compiled up xfce4 before lxde...
[15:45] <luigi> Matt: It's also a little smarter. [Mod4]Internet[Enter] would open chromium as well. Or Firefox, if it were installed and the default.
[15:45] <luigi> w0m: Yeah, and Linux (especially GNOME DEs) have had it for years. =P
[15:46] <drogon> I just open an xterm...
[15:46] <w0m> on *nux; i live in a terminal
[15:46] <luigi> **nix
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[15:46] <w0m> or alt-f2 iirc dfault in the heavier uis
[15:46] <luigi> I just hit one key, Mod4
[15:46] <luigi> To each his own! :)
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[15:48] <Matt> I tend to live in a terminal as well
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[15:48] <w0m> whenever i get aroudn to setting up an x server on my pi; i should use something like xmonad or similar...
[15:48] <Matt> and in days gone by, tended not to bother with X at all, unless I needed something specific
[15:49] <Hodapp> I use X a bit still
[15:49] <Hodapp> its network forwarding is something I use quite often
[15:49] <Hodapp> though I am curious about Wayland and the like
[15:49] <w0m> web browser is the only reason for me
[15:49] <umask0022> Wayland is the way of the future
[15:49] <w0m> well; sql browsers to for the most part..
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[15:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> wait! .,. you mean there more to linux than the shell ....
[15:51] <luigi> Man, I can't wait until Wayland becomes stable enough to replace X
[15:51] <mikma> linux has a shell?!?!
[15:51] <luigi> Because even X apps under Wayland are faster than native X
[15:52] <w0m> x is a bit kludgy..
[15:52] <TheFarfar> what is this X every1 talks about? =E
[15:52] <w0m> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System
[15:52] <luigi> w0m: Yup. And Wayland is rather elegant
[15:52] <TheFarfar> jk
[15:52] <luigi> Arch has had Wayland in the AUR for ages now... I should see if it's improved
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[15:53] <TheBrayn> will wayland even work on the rpi?
[15:53] <luigi> OF course it will
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[15:53] <luigi> Why wouldn't it?
[15:53] <chithead> wayland needs kms
[15:53] <w0m> wow the picutre on that wiki page brings back memories. My first exposure to any *nix was computer lab @university my freshman year; everything ran an ancient slackware distro with twm
[15:54] <chithead> the effort to bring wayland to non-kms platforms has been abandoned afair
[15:54] <luigi> Wait, the RPI doesn't have kms?!
[15:54] <luigi> The hell?!
[15:54] <chithead> it has a classical framebuffer driver
[15:54] <luigi> Ugh
[15:54] <luigi> That's terrible
[15:55] <mru> luigi: rpi has whatever broadcom sees fit to give you
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[15:55] <luigi> mru: I should start an online petition
[15:55] <luigi> That'll show them!
[15:55] <chithead> that's normal. which arm platform has kms? ony very few and it was big news on phoronix when exynos and omap kms were announced
[15:55] <mru> that's the price you pay for closed systems
[15:55] <mru> chithead: omap
[15:56] <luigi> Xuu: Nice hurricane electric IPv6
[15:56] <chithead> mru: and exynos
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[15:56] <mru> I was about to look that up
[15:56] <mru> TI and samsung are probably the best when it comes to supporting these things
[15:57] <mru> the rest being quite far behind
[15:57] <chithead> possibly you will get kms through lima and freedreno too
[15:57] <thrawed> mru: TI do an almost-open hardware SoC aswell
[15:57] <thrawed> mru: I think the galaxy nexus uses it
[15:57] <mru> the TI omap3+ are very open
[15:58] <mongrelion> hi there o/
[15:58] <mru> you won't find anything more open that those
[15:58] <TheFarfar> omap 4460 in GN
[15:58] <dennistlg> samsung have kernel source for galaxy y smiliar brodcom soc as in pi
[15:58] <thrawed> I wish our hardware was open
[15:59] <dennistlg> think we should look at this source to improve our pi
[15:59] <luigi> If hardware were open, companies' technology would be reverse engineered far too quickly
[16:00] <mru> nonsense
[16:00] <luigi> Then we'd need a bunch more hardware/software patents
[16:00] <luigi> And everything would go downhill from there
[16:00] <mru> last I checked, intel was still raking in money
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[16:00] <chithead> the hardware is closed precisely because of the fear of being sued for patent violations
[16:00] <mru> and most everything they make is fully open
[16:00] <mru> chithead: you probably have a point there
[16:00] <luigi> mru: Intel has open specs for their processors?
[16:01] <mru> sure
[16:01] <luigi> Completely?
[16:01] <mdp> mru, also FSL is completely open
[16:01] <chithead> intel is not open. even coreboot on the new chromebooks needs to load binary signed firmware blobs into the cips
[16:01] <mru> what do you want to know?
[16:01] <chithead> chips*
[16:01] <mru> chithead: are you talking about microcode?
[16:01] <Hodapp> the only open CPUs I'm aware of are things like the OpenSPARC.
[16:01] <luigi> If it requires proprietary microcode, it's not open
[16:01] <mru> Hodapp: that's open in a different sense
[16:02] <mru> luigi: that's a stupid thing to say
[16:02] <luigi> mru: Prove me wrong
[16:02] <luigi> Instead of calling me stupid
[16:02] <chithead> raspberry pi also requires binary firmware blobs
[16:02] <mru> I didn't say _you_ are stupid
[16:02] <mru> I said what you said was stupid
[16:02] <mru> there's a difference
[16:02] <mru> an intel cpu works without loading anything
[16:03] <mru> it has a mechanism for loading microcode updates
[16:03] <TheBrayn> Which kind of support do you think will help the raspberry pi community most?
[16:03] <mru> in case they find a bug
[16:03] <luigi> mru: But they don't tell the community how they fixed the bug
[16:03] <mru> would it be more open if it did not have this feature?
[16:03] <Dagger2> at least Intel publishes their instruction set, so it's possible to write compilers for it
[16:03] <TheBrayn> Apart from buying rpis
[16:03] <luigi> This is true
[16:03] <Dagger2> and thus actually write and run software that works on an Intel processor
[16:03] <chithead> mru: an arm cpu alsoe works without loading anything. it is the soc which requires the blobs (on intel the chipset is external)
[16:03] <mru> and if they did a silicon fix and spun a new revision, they wouldn't tell you what they did either
[16:03] <dennistlg> https://github.com/Whitexp/GT-S5360-opensource-Update-2 here is the source from samsung
[16:04] <luigi> mru: Yes, and so how is that an open spec?
[16:04] <mru> the spec can be open even if the implementation is not
[16:04] <luigi> If I can't go and get whitepapers and make my own (regardless of how much money it would cost) then it's not open
[16:04] <luigi> Can I do that with an Intel i7 right now?
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[16:04] <mru> well, amd seem to do that just fine
[16:04] <mru> the same code will run on both intel and amd cpus
[16:05] <luigi> Not necessarily
[16:05] <Hodapp> uh, AMD does that because the _instruction set_ is fairly open
[16:05] <luigi> Indeed.
[16:05] <Hodapp> because it has to be if they're going to sell any freaking CPUs
[16:05] <mru> so what is it you're saying isn't open on an x86 cpu?
[16:05] <yehnan> TheBrayn: sharing your rpi projects with others, publish tutorials, etc.. :D
[16:06] <luigi> mru: I just told you. The whitepapers for fabricating one
[16:06] <chithead> the x86 instruction set is only open because the patents on it expired. for newer additions to the instruction set (mmx, see, ...) you still have to pay
[16:06] <chithead> sse*
[16:06] <luigi> Indeed.
[16:06] <mru> luigi: I think you're confusing whitepaper with blueprint
[16:06] <luigi> Oh, I am. Sorry, my english is good but not the best
[16:06] <luigi> Still, I can't go and make my own
[16:06] <luigi> So it's not open
[16:07] <mru> now I'll be the first to agree that having truly open hardware could be fun and whatnot
[16:07] <TheBrayn> yehnan: that does not sound like fun :>
[16:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> most of the intel and arm chips dont run X86 they are emulated in realtime
[16:07] <luigi> RaTTuS|BIG: Really?
[16:07] <yehnan> The_Shadows: not fun? why...
[16:07] <mru> but barring that, having hardware with an open *spec* is what really matters
[16:07] <luigi> That's new, I thought intel chips were basically just overclocked i386s at their core
[16:07] <luigi> With some new instruction sets
[16:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah they run risc / cisc hybrid cores
[16:07] <mru> emulated isn't exactly the right word
[16:07] <yehnan> TheBrayn: not fun? why...
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[16:08] <Hodapp> they've added all sorts of other internal structures too
[16:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> not not really - the right word but ....
[16:08] <Hodapp> to enable pipelining and out-of-order execution and such
[16:08] <mru> all modern cpus have an instruction decoder that takes the architectural instructions and translates them into internal uops
[16:08] <Hodapp> mru: No, not all modern CPUs do. Some do.
[16:08] <mru> the microarchitecture can vary wildly between different architecturally compatible cpus
[16:09] <mru> Hodapp: well, not microcontrollers perhaps
[16:09] <mru> but anything high-performance does that
[16:09] <Hodapp> mru: Not microcontrollers, and basically no RISC CPUs.
[16:09] <mru> arm certainly does that
[16:09] <mru> the distinction you're thinking of microcoded versus not
[16:10] <yehnan> TheBrayn: what will help the raspberry pi community most? :)
[16:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> cakes
[16:10] <luigi> No, PIES
[16:10] <mru> the cake is a lie
[16:10] <Hodapp> mru: VLIW and RISC, as a general rule, are not microcoded and do not translate instructions into internal micro-ops.
[16:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> pie cakes
[16:11] <mru> Hodapp: you are wrong
[16:11] <luigi> I once made a Pake
[16:11] <luigi> It was amazing
[16:11] <Hodapp> mru: No, I'm not. As a general rule, this is the case, though there are some exceptions.
[16:11] <luigi> You bake a pie about half-done, and then put it in a cake and finish the baking
[16:12] <luigi> You get a cake that has a pie in it.
[16:12] <luigi> It is amazing
[16:12] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.instructables.com/id/Black-Forest-Pake-Chocolate-Cherry-Pie-Cake/
[16:12] <TheBrayn> I have no idea but I'm not in the mood for writing tutorials for obvious things and I don't do anything special with the rpi
[16:12] <TheBrayn> yehnan
[16:12] <mru> the cpus of old implemented architectural instructions by means of microinstructions stored in an internal microcode memory
[16:12] <Hodapp> mru: This is half of the _point_ of RISC.
[16:12] <mru> so the high-level instructions became essentially subroutine calls into microcode
[16:13] <mru> risc cpus don't do that
[16:13] <Hodapp> mru: If you're living in x86-only land, perhaps.
[16:13] <mru> the original arm executed architectural instructions directly
[16:13] <mru> modern ones do not
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[16:14] <yehnan> TheBrayn: well... I hope someday you are going to be in the mood.
[16:14] <Hodapp> mru: So now you've whittled it down from "all modern CPUs" to "all high-performance CPUs" to "x86 and some ARM CPUs".
[16:14] <Hodapp> mru: Your generalizations are not boding well.
[16:14] <mru> here's a block diagram of an arm cortex-a9: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0388h/CJHJCHII.html
[16:15] <mru> there is, as you'd expect, no microcode memory
[16:15] <Hodapp> You're not to "x86 and some ARM CPUs excluding the A9 and older ones"
[16:15] <mru> however, the "instruction decode" block translates the external arm instructions into uops
[16:15] <Hodapp> s/not/now/
[16:16] <mru> most of them are a direct mapping
[16:16] <mru> a few arm instructions need two uops
[16:16] <mru> Hodapp: what is the point you're trying to make?
[16:16] <Hodapp> How about instead of making wild generalizations you can't back up, you just say "x86 CPUs are microcoded and so are some ARM CPUs"?
[16:16] <luigi> I like watching this fight
[16:17] <mru> that would be a lie
[16:17] <luigi> It makes me feel knowledgable and argumentative at the same time
[16:17] <thrawed> just kiss and make up
[16:17] <Hodapp> mru: It is a lie, so x86 is not microcoded and neither are some ARM CPUs?
[16:17] <mru> a modern x86 cpu uses a tiny bit of microcode
[16:17] <luigi> There are no modern x86 CPUs
[16:17] <mru> and they can override any instruction with microcode if they find a bug
[16:17] <mru> luigi: yes, there are
[16:17] <mru> intel make new ones every year
[16:18] <luigi> They are all x86_64 these days
[16:18] <mru> oh, we're being pedantic now
[16:18] <luigi> mru: :)
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[16:19] <mru> anyway, I thought we were discussing openness of different systems
[16:19] <luigi> We were
[16:19] <luigi> And then you made some wild generalizations you wouldn't back up
[16:19] <mru> I don't see how the microarchitecture of a cpu is relevant to that
[16:19] <Hodapp> mru: So why did you bring it up?
[16:20] <luigi> Buuuuuuurn
[16:20] <chithead> I think the discussion is now sufficiently removed from raspberry pi talk that you can take it private
[16:20] <mru> uhm, one of you guys did when you said intel cpus are not open spec because they can load microcode updates
[16:21] <chithead> raspberry pi hardware is not open, as is most other hardware. that is independent of the question whether the drivers are open source
[16:21] <Hodapp> mru: You brought up Intel and microcode...
[16:21] <Hodapp> mru: Not sure why.
[16:21] <luigi> Actually, chithead did that I think
[16:21] <luigi> Unless my scrollback is wrong
[16:21] <chithead> no, I said that intel platform is closed because you need to load signed firmware blobs into the chipset
[16:21] <mru> yes, chithead was the one who brought up microcode
[16:22] <chithead> cpu microcode was never brought up by me
[16:22] <luigi> chithead: Isn't that microcode?
[16:22] <luigi> Signed binary blobs?
[16:22] <sam> CPU microcode isn't that
[16:22] <luigi> Firmware blobs, no less
[16:22] <chithead> nobody knows what it does. could be microcode, could be something else
[16:22] <luigi> It could be a government conspiracy
[16:22] <mru> if they say it's microcode, I think we can take their word for it
[16:22] <luigi> Involving raspberry pis
[16:22] <mru> they being intel
[16:22] <muep> I do not see why CPU microcode would not be a kind of proprietary firmware, too
[16:23] <mru> muep: well, it is in some sense
[16:23] <mru> but we have to draw the line somewhere
[16:23] <luigi> And I draw the line at whether or not we have the source
[16:23] <luigi> And we don't have the source
[16:23] <luigi> So it's proprietary
[16:23] <mru> I like to draw the line where it stops making a practical difference to me and others like me
[16:24] <sam> CPU microcode is used to perform eg. "int f(int x) { return 1 << x; }" in C
[16:24] <mru> even if you did have the blueprints for the cpu, you don't have the equipment to make one
[16:24] <luigi> I already said I didn't
[16:24] <luigi> But *if I did*
[16:24] <luigi> (etc., etc.)
[16:24] <muep> sam: my impression is that it is for implementing the instructions in the x86 ISA
[16:24] <mru> I define an open spec system as one you can write all the software you need for based only on openly published manuals
[16:24] <chithead> when sun put the ultrasparc t1 design under gpl, quickly some companies made derivative cpus
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[16:25] <luigi> mru: Then by that, one could not load microcode and make the CPU work as well as a proprietary solution
[16:25] <mru> the microcode is just an implementation detail
[16:26] <luigi> Not necessarily. It could make a huge difference.
[16:26] <mru> it is still an implementation detail
[16:26] <luigi> How do?
[16:26] <luigi> *so
[16:26] <mru> it is part of the implementation of the open spec
[16:26] <sam> "work as well" does not really count in openness
[16:26] <luigi> If I can't implement it fully with only those open manuals, how am I on an open spec platform?
[16:26] <chithead> if your chipset doesn't work without the proprietary microcode, that's bad
[16:26] <sam> many specs are fully open yet opensource implementations are pathetically underperforming
[16:27] <mru> sam: that's just a matter of effort and competence
[16:27] <luigi> sam: This is true. But I think it's more of a "Could we implement it perfectly using that open spec?"
[16:27] <chithead> sometimes the free software is better, sometimes the proprietary software is better
[16:28] <luigi> chithead: Lies, free software is always better. Sometimes it's just not as good.
[16:28] <mru> given two implementations, one is usually better than the other
[16:28] <luigi> :P
[16:28] <mru> for a given metric
[16:28] <luigi> I think mru is just upset everyone's against him
[16:28] <mru> I'm not upset
[16:28] <luigi> He strikes me as the type that will never back down
[16:29] <chithead> remember the nvidia proprietary ethernet driver which was unstable and poor performing. then it was reverse-engineered and forcedeth was created. soon nvidia was forced to abandon their proprietary driver because nobody wanted to use it
[16:29] <mru> if anything, I feel pity for you
[16:29] <luigi> mru: You're awfully unvested
[16:29] <luigi> *invested
[16:29] <luigi> I'm just some random guy on IRC
[16:29] <sam> I don't feel like I'm against mru
[16:29] <luigi> Why have feelings for me?
[16:29] <mru> invested?
[16:29] <sam> maybe we just have different priorities, I don't know
[16:30] <luigi> My priority is to learn more, since I honestly have no idea how all these things work
[16:30] <luigi> Microcode? I don't even know what it does
[16:30] <sam> my priority is to get some ice cream and/or a coffee
[16:30] <mru> then you'd be wise to listed to those who do know
[16:30] <mru> instead of arguing against them
[16:30] <luigi> Hodapp: Can you teach me what Microcode is?
[16:31] <luigi> You seem to know what you're talking about
[16:31] <mru> I don't think so
[16:31] <chithead> I think you need to use google to learn
[16:31] <mru> the wikipedia article seems decent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcode
[16:32] <luigi> I've seen it before. It seems awfully vague
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[16:40] <drogon> wooly microcode... heh.
[16:40] <bircoe> What's vague about the first line? Seems like a decent way of explaining it to me.
[16:40] <drogon> one mans hardware is another mans software ...
[16:41] <luigi> Is another man's firmware
[16:41] <mru> especially considering that designing a chip in verilog or vhdl is a lot like writing software
[16:41] <drogon> the boundarys blur...
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[17:15] <mongrelion> how many threads can a rpi's processor handle?
[17:15] <luigi> As many as you queue, within reason
[17:15] <luigi> How many are actually processed?
[17:15] <mongrelion> no idea. yesterday I saw 43 threads in htop
[17:15] <luigi> Well, why not run cat /proc/cpuinfo and see how many logical processors you have?
[17:15] <mongrelion> I mean, 43 concurrent threads <?> not sure.
[17:16] <mongrelion> ok, let's see.
[17:16] <TheBrayn> you mean processes, right?
[17:16] <nid0> you may be disappointed by the answer.
[17:16] <markllama> I think those are single threaded processors...
[17:16] <jra___> about 1
[17:16] <markllama> yeah.
[17:16] <mongrelion> one logical processor ???? I don't even know why I went there to check.
[17:16] <nid0> yep.
[17:16] <mongrelion> ok.
[17:17] <mongrelion> thanks for the answer.
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[17:17] <chithead> you can run many threads concurrently, just not in parallel
[17:17] <chithead> the limitation is only the kernel's scheduler and the memory usage per thread
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[17:21] <drogon> fwiw: I've run 80 concurrent calls handling data on a 500MHz AMD Geode chip - each call (using asterisk) starts 2 threads. I'd imagine the Pi to be able to do that too.
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[17:21] <drogon> actually I'm sure the limit is in the 1000s really.
[17:21] <mru> the arm11 processor handles one thread context at a time
[17:22] <drogon> hm. are we talking execution threads of posix threads ...
[17:22] <mru> the OS can schedule as many threads as you have memory for
[17:22] <drogon> execution, well one ...
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[17:28] <Potn> hello guys! where can i download a qt5 build for raspbian?
[17:30] <Potn> i'd like to try the quint livecoding environment
[17:30] <luigi> Couldn't you just compile it yourself?
[17:30] <bircoe> http://trac.webkit.org/wiki/BuildingQtOnLinux
[17:30] <mru> building qt is not for the faint of heart
[17:31] <mongrelion> mru: can you imagine how long would it take to compile it, though?
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[17:31] <mru> mongrelion: you could compile it on a fast pc
[17:31] <bircoe> cross compile!
[17:31] <mru> building it on the pi would take days if not weeks
[17:31] <sam> dist-cross-compile!
[17:31] <mongrelion> /o\
[17:31] <mongrelion> I compiled ruby directly on the pi
[17:31] <mru> ruby is tiny
[17:31] <bircoe> I compile OpenElec on my desktop PC in about an hour and a half... on the pi would probably be like 3 days!
[17:32] <mru> building qt will easily eat a couple of GB ram at times
[17:32] <mru> which means you'll be swapping like mad
[17:32] <mru> and with no fast storage...
[17:32] <bircoe> and with potentially as little as 128mb!
[17:33] <mru> is a slab permanently locked away for the gpu?
[17:33] <Potn> thx, but i tought there is a repository or something for nightly builds
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[17:33] <Potn> if there is not i will compile it
[17:33] <The_Shadows> Hello. i have small problem i installed moc but i don't have any idea how start if because command moc won't do anything?
[17:33] <sam> what's it supposed to do?
[17:33] <The_Shadows> open the music player
[17:34] <The_Shadows> at command line
[17:34] <bircoe> Potn: try this google search "qt5 debian nightly build"
[17:34] <mru> I thought moc was a qt build tool
[17:34] <bircoe> of particular interest to you will be the 2nd link.
[17:34] <The_Shadows> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/moc
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[17:35] <frustro> alright, I'm stumped.
[17:36] <sam> mru: me too
[17:36] <sam> moc - ncurses based console audio player
[17:36] <sam> that's new to me
[17:37] <bircoe> The_Shadows, on the linux command line you can use this lovely feature called Auto Complete by pressing the tab key...
[17:37] <sam> I use vlc in text mode anyway
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[17:37] <Potn> bircoe: qtonpi is an awful fedora image, doesnt works well for me
[17:37] <bircoe> I just installed Moc on my desktop and typed moc then tab and the command auto completes to "mocp"
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[17:37] <The_Shadows> bircoe thx :D
[17:37] <frustro> I cannot seem to get the libft2dxx.so to be found anywhere. I have created links to /usr/local/lib/libftd2xx.so.1.1.12 from /usr/local/lib/libftd2xx.so and /usr/lib/libftd2xx.so and both are chmod 0755
[17:38] <frustro> but, error while loading shared libraries: libftd2xx.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:38] <The_Shadows> i did't have idea it's nearly same name but longer
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[17:39] <bircoe> This might explain it:
[17:39] <bircoe> $ moc
[17:39] <bircoe> The program 'moc' can be found in the following packages:
[17:39] <bircoe> * libqt4-dev
[17:39] <bircoe> * qt3-dev-tools
[17:39] <bircoe> Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package>
[17:39] <bircoe> moc is a command included with qt
[17:40] <bircoe> ps another great music player which would be perfect for the Pi is MPD
[17:40] <mongrelion> guys, thanks for letting me know about cross compiling. I had no idea.
[17:41] <bircoe> it's a daemon type application that can be controlled via TCP
[17:41] <bircoe> tons of front ends from desktop apps to iPhone/Android apps, php web scripts... the list goes on
[17:42] <frustro> and I've followed this to the letter, It's when I run the app to read the eeeprom of the ftdi that I get the .so not found.
[17:42] <mongrelion> so now I will try to cross-compile nodejs for my raspberrypi, and when I ./configure --help to see the available options, I see this option: "--with-arm-float-abi=ARM_FLOAT_ABI | Specifies which floating-point ABI to use. Valid values are: soft, softfp, hard" what should I choose?
[17:42] <frustro> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CH0QFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ftdichip.com%2FSupport%2FDocuments%2FAppNotes%2FAN_220_FTDI_Drivers_Installation_Guide_for_Linux%2520.pdf
[17:43] <bircoe> mongrelion, depends on the build of linux your using... i'm not familiar with raspian, does it have hard float? if so choose hard.
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[17:43] <mongrelion> raspbian has hard float, yes, I've been told of that.
[17:43] <bircoe> then give hard a go
[17:44] <mongrelion> bircoe: ok, hard would it be then... that sounds weird.
[17:44] <bircoe> yeah sounds a bit sus!
[17:44] <mongrelion> haha
[17:44] <mongrelion> ok so then after running the ./configure script, what would be next?
[17:44] <mongrelion> make?
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[17:44] <bircoe> make then probably sudo make install
[17:45] <mongrelion> no but I can't install it... I want it to be a cross compile. I compile in my macbook and then install on the rpi
[17:45] <mongrelion> "can't" *
[17:45] <bircoe> whoops of course
[17:45] <bircoe> make should be enough then
[17:45] <mongrelion> and then what is it to be copied to the rpi?
[17:46] <mongrelion> I was looking at this sof question but they don't tell that much about it http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11038579/cross-compiling-node-js-for-arm6-raspberry-pi
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[17:46] <bircoe> copy it to the locations that sudo make install would result in... you may have to do a trial run on an emulator or something
[17:46] <mongrelion> the whole directory?
[17:46] <mongrelion> whole ~/code/os/node folder?
[17:47] <bircoe> i wouldn't think so, just the compiled files
[17:47] <mru> you can run "make install DESTDIR=/some/place/safe" and copy everything it puts there to the root of the pi (maintaining the directory structure of course)
[17:47] <mru> that's how packages are built
[17:47] <mongrelion> really? hmm ok.
[17:47] <bircoe> what he said...
[17:47] <mongrelion> but, but
[17:47] <mongrelion> isn't "make install" cleaner?
[17:48] <mru> no
[17:48] <mongrelion> get the folder and then sudo make install
[17:48] <chithead> just "make install" might overwrite parts of your system
[17:49] <mongrelion> mmmok.
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[17:49] <bircoe> back to bed for me... this child is asleep now.
[17:49] <mongrelion> ok, I'll give it a try and then will let you know.
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[17:55] <frustro> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=8010&p=139158 Well shit.....I need a new adapter.
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[18:01] <mongrelion> ho, it's done compiling nodejs :|
[18:01] <mongrelion> in the raspberrypi it took 7 hours and it didn't work xD
[18:01] <mongrelion> it failed, I mean.
[18:01] <mongrelion> so now make install DESTDIR...
[18:01] <hotwings> frustro - language bud
[18:03] <GriffenJBS> mongrelion: which version?
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[18:05] <mongrelion> GriffenJBS: the version that failed? 0.8.6... then I discovered there was already a package for nodejs 0.6.x in the repositories
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[18:06] <frustro> hotwings, sed -i /sh**/crap/ /me corrects himself
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[18:08] <Hodapp> frustro: ignore him.
[18:09] <hotwings> Hodapp - maybe you should read the topic: "Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel. Logs @ http://srv.datagutt1.com <> ** No Foul Language ** No unauthorised Bots ** <> You will only be able to join #raspberrypi if you are identified w/ Nickserv. <>"
[18:09] <hotwings> i mentioned it so he doesnt get kicked. not stop harassing
[18:09] <hotwings> *now
[18:09] <mru> is there a list of forbidden words?
[18:10] <hotwings> basically anything considered cussing or profanity
[18:11] <MasterGeek> i dont see how common words used in context is profanity
[18:11] <Hodapp> hotwings: You already nearly had yourself banned yesterday after you harassed the whole channel over a BS argument and then started harassing me in PM. You don't actually care about the topic - you are just looking fofr an aexcuse to harass people.
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[18:11] <Hodapp> hotwings: So shove off.
[18:11] <mikma> buuuurn
[18:11] <mongrelion> chithead: ok so I have successfully compiled and make and make install DESTDIR=... nodejs. I also have copied the compressed destdir to the rpi. now, what's a good way to copy it?
[18:11] <hotwings> Hodapp - umm no. i have never nearly been banned, and ive been here far longer than you junior.
[18:12] <mongrelion> sudo cp downloads/nodejsv-0.8.6/usr / ?
[18:12] <Hodapp> hotwings: You nearly were yesterday, and this is not the place for this.
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[18:12] <hotwings> Hodapp - and by the way, genius, letting someone know not to cuss so they dont get banned is _not_ harassing them.
[18:12] <Hodapp> hotwings: This is not the place for this.
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[18:13] <hotwings> Hodapp - no, i wasnt. but keep up your lying and harassment and you will be. you wouldnt be the first either
[18:13] <Hodapp> hotwings: This is _not_ the place for this.
[18:13] <hotwings> then be quiet and mind your own business
[18:13] <Hodapp> hotwings: You are the one who continues to threaten and harass. This is not the place.
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[18:14] <drogon> hometime. laters...
[18:14] <Hodapp> hotwings: Take it to PM. Take it to another channel. I don't care. Just get it out of here.
[18:14] <hotwings> Hodapp - i have done neither. stop lying, stop harassing, or you will find yourself outside of this place like others have.
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[18:15] <mikma> you guys ^^
[18:15] <Hodapp> mikma: It's cool, he'll vent in here awhile and then he'll just move it to PMs.
[18:15] <mikma> 7ignore hotwings all
[18:15] <mikma> whoopsie
[18:16] <mongrelion> so mature :/
[18:16] <Hodapp> mongrelion: Gah. All I want is some Raspberry Pi related talk.
[18:16] <mikma> what can you expect, this is the internets
[18:16] <bubu> anyone got 720p wireless streaming working nicely yet?
[18:16] <mongrelion> bubu: what are you gonna use for that purpose? I'd like to have that too.
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[18:17] <bubu> xbmc
[18:17] <mikma> bubu: no. we told this you before that the raspi doesn't have enough juice to use wlan and decode video at the same time
[18:17] <hotwings> what kind of fool thinks warning someone so they dont get kicked is harassing them? .... so stupid. Hodapp looks for any reason to run his mouth.
[18:17] <bubu> working nicely over ethernet - I just need it to work nicely over wlan!
[18:17] <Hodapp> mikma: how much overhead does WLAN have?
[18:17] <mikma> that i don't know
[18:17] <Hodapp> mikma: Hmm, I would think for rates like that it wouldn't be too substantial
[18:17] <KameSense> Just in case someone needs perfect heatsinks for the Pi : http://club.dx.com/reviews/text/15361/275755 !
[18:18] <bubu> This was my suspicial mikma but I didnt know it was a solid fact.
[18:18] <mikma> all the tries with different os' have proved to me that streaming over wireless doesn't work well. choppy like heck
[18:18] <bubu> ye me too
[18:18] <bubu> nice to know im not the only one
[18:18] <MasterGeek> Personaly I think that the policing of a channel should be left to the Ops,
[18:18] <Hodapp> mikma: in my experience this was even at almost no CPU usage
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[18:19] <mongrelion> Hodapp: dude, seriously, take it easy. it's ok. Tomorrow nobody will remember what happened or who harassed who. :/
[18:19] <Hodapp> mikma: mostly with VLC and the like - stuttering on a movie that I could copy locally in about 1/10 of its play time (so realtime should have posed no problem)
[18:19] <mongrelion> hotwings: -^
[18:19] <KameSense> Just in case someone needs perfect heatsinks for the Pi : http://dx.com/p/aluminum-alloy-chipset-heatsinks-for-pc-memory-chips-8-hsk-set-15361 ! (sorry for the wrong link 1st time)
[18:19] <mikma> hodapp: i tried ... hmm now what was that playet called
[18:19] <Hodapp> mplayer?
[18:20] <mikma> (X)xplayer
[18:20] <Hodapp> haven't heard of that one
[18:20] <bubu> mikma, looks like its cabling through the house then!
[18:20] <mikma> somethingxplayer i think
[18:20] <mikma> bubu: that's what i had to do :D
[18:21] <iBooyaa> omxplayer?
[18:21] <hotwings> mongrelion - no biggie. people who behave like Hodapp have come and went. he'll push his luck, get banned, and not be the first. ive seen it happen since the beginning. im done giving her attention now since thats all she wants.
[18:21] <mikma> ibooyaa: that! omxplayer
[18:21] <iBooyaa> that's the one that's opti for g??
[18:21] <iBooyaa> gpu even! ftw
[18:22] <mikma> i mounted windows share over wifi and used omxplayer to play from the mounted folder. chop chop chop choooooop
[18:22] <iBooyaa> no playlist support though
[18:22] <Hodapp> mikma: with me it was NFS, apparently CIFS/SMB is no better
[18:22] <iBooyaa> will omxplayer accept http streaming?
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[18:22] <mikma> hodapp: 'sudo mount -t cifs -o username=mikma,password=passwd //192.168.0.103/music /mnt/music' <- that's what i use
[18:22] <Hodapp> this was for music?
[18:22] <Hodapp> or video
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[18:23] <GriffenJBS> I've streamed videos with cifs and omxplayer no problems
[18:23] <mikma> the same applies to all shared folders i use, this example is for music but i used musicvideo folder
[18:23] <mikma> griffenjbs: 720p wireless?
[18:23] <GriffenJBS> using nWifi, if that details matters
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[18:23] <hadifarnoud> Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block 179,3)
[18:23] <iBooyaa> nah not reading a file over the network like video streaming using vic
[18:23] <Draylor> yup, thats borked
[18:24] <Hodapp> iBooyaa: from what?
[18:24] <hadifarnoud> Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block 179,3) anyone know how to fix this? how can I change bootable partitions?
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[18:24] <Draylor> new SD card you didnt write to properly?
[18:24] <mikma> we don't know what have you done to achieve that
[18:24] <hadifarnoud> does pi has any bootable option ?
[18:25] <mikma> nope.
[18:25] <GriffenJBS> hadifarnoud: your asking about a bios, no it doesn't
[18:25] <mikma> all the "bootable options" it gets are achieved by os
[18:25] <GriffenJBS> it's hardwired to look for files on the SD card and load from there
[18:25] <hadifarnoud> i deleted root partition. I had raspbmc. wanted to delete linux partition to boot from installer partition again
[18:26] <mikma> you... deleted root partition
[18:26] <hadifarnoud> it should boot from that then
[18:26] <Draylor> lol pebcak
[18:26] <mikma> that may be the reason why it's unable to mount it
[18:26] <hadifarnoud> I had a fat32 part too
[18:26] <hadifarnoud> dev/mmcblk0p1 33 2080 65536 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[18:26] <Draylor> and the fat32 contains just enough to point it to the partition you just deleted
[18:27] <iBooyaa> Hodapp: vlc (pc) -> omxplayer (pi)
[18:27] <hadifarnoud> ah, shoot
[18:27] <Draylor> reimage the card, at least you learend something from it. heh
[18:27] <hadifarnoud> so I should be able to fix it if I edit some files on fat partition then?
[18:27] <GriffenJBS> the fat32 is REQUIRED
[18:27] <ziltro2> A BIOS is technically not the same as a bootloader, but anyway... :)
[18:28] <hadifarnoud> ziltro2: I thought there should be a bootloader like grub or sth
[18:28] <Draylor> ziltro2: to someone that deletes root partitions and expects things to keep working thats kinda irrelevnat :P
[18:28] <GriffenJBS> ziltro2: a PC BIOS contains a bootloader, most people here expect the pi to work like a PC
[18:29] <GriffenJBS> but it doesn't, :-) so they have to learn details
[18:29] <ziltro2> BIOS is the 16-bit interrupt services. The bootloader is seperate, but usually in the same flash chip.
[18:29] <hadifarnoud> Draylor: the way raspbmc installed itself was from that fat32 partition. there is a installer in there
[18:29] <ziltro2> I was messing with Coreboot for a while... :)
[18:29] <hadifarnoud> i wanted to force booting to that installer basically
[18:29] <ziltro2> But yeah, deleting root partitions is likely to cause the system to have a lower chance of booting.
[18:29] <GriffenJBS> ziltro2: that's part of the BIOS, the BIOS chip on a MB contains a loader
[18:30] <ziltro2> GriffenJBS: It isn't a BIOS chip, it is a flash chip... A PC doesn't always need a BIOS, I've booted an x86 PC without one.
[18:30] <hadifarnoud> GriffenJBS: so a loader loads another loader?
[18:30] <Hodapp> ziltro2: EFI?
[18:30] <ziltro2> Hodapp: FILO.
[18:30] <Hodapp> ahhh
[18:30] <Draylor> pastry? k
[18:30] <Hodapp> :P
[18:31] <GriffenJBS> ziltro2: it's still there, something has to bootstrap the memory
[18:31] <GriffenJBS> hadifarnoud: yes, that's what grub does
[18:31] <GriffenJBS> forget grub, it doesn't apply here
[18:31] <hadifarnoud> ok
[18:32] <Hodapp> is U-Boot the closest counterpart to something like GRUB here?
[18:32] <hadifarnoud> so that loader should be on fat32 partition somewhere then
[18:32] <GriffenJBS> the pi loads a file from the first partition on the SD card, that needs to be a FAT32
[18:32] <hadifarnoud> what is the file?
[18:33] <mongrelion> the cross compiling didn't work :'(
[18:33] <ziltro2> An x86 PC boot flash chip contains hardware init code, to turn on the devices and RAM, usualy a BIOS to provide 16-bit interrupt services, and the bootloader, which tries to load code from one or more drives.
[18:33] <GriffenJBS> it's looking for the file bootcode.bin, which loads loader.bin, which loads start.elf, which usually loads the kernel
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[18:34] <ziltro2> But there is no (accessible?) boot flash on the RPi. So the first place we can put code is on teh FAT filesystem.
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[18:34] <GriffenJBS> ziltro2: welcome back to the conversation
[18:34] <hadifarnoud> cheers GriffenJBS
[18:34] <ziltro2> I suspect there has to be some ROM or flash in the SoC to do booting, load FAT driver, etc.
[18:35] <hadifarnoud> good to know how the boot chain works.
[18:35] <ziltro2> It would be interestign to know if that is actually flash (ie. re-writable), and if it is accessable.
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[18:35] <GriffenJBS> the BCM2835 has not able to be reflashed, so that's the order, \bootcode.bin is the starting point we can change
[18:35] <ziltro2> Then it would be possible to truely destroy an RPi. :)
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[18:35] <Hodapp> What actually tells it to look for that file on the FAT FS?
[18:36] <GriffenJBS> *is not
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[18:36] <GriffenJBS> the BCM2835 is set in hardware to boot that way, once software is loaded, changes can be made
[18:37] <Hodapp> changes?
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[18:37] <GriffenJBS> and for details it's the GPU that does the booting, bootcode.bin sets up mmu, CPU and jumps to cpu control
[18:37] <hadifarnoud> I was wondering if I can change that colourful square at boot
[18:38] <ziltro2> Might require a sharp knife, very good coordination and an electron microscope.
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[18:39] <GriffenJBS> that *could* be, it's drawn from bootcode.bin, currently we can't really edit bootcode.bin, so it's currently mute
[18:39] <GriffenJBS> but it could be an eventual option
[18:39] <ziltro2> moot?
[18:39] <GriffenJBS> ziltro2: your correct
[18:39] <ziltro2> you're? ;)
[18:39] <ziltro2> Sorry... :)
[18:39] <GriffenJBS> english teacher?
[18:39] <GriffenJBS> E I know
[18:39] <ziltro2> No, pedant.
[18:39] <GriffenJBS> lol
[18:40] <ziltro2> P??dant?
[18:41] <GriffenJBS> but we are not speaking french
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[18:41] <ziltro2> Non.
[18:41] <mru> can't edit? you have no hex editors?
[18:41] <mongrelion> I think it's ok to let the language to bend a little bit being English a big target on the international market.
[18:41] <mongrelion> but that's off topic D: sorry. My nodejs cross compiling didn't work :C
[18:41] <GriffenJBS> mru: it's a calculated image, so you've have to recode it
[18:42] <mru> do you mean it's rendered by code in bootcode.bin?
[18:42] <GriffenJBS> mongrelion: you may have answered and I missed but which version?
[18:42] <mongrelion> GriffenJBS: I have. 0.8.6
[18:43] <ziltro2> There's enough pixels that it could probably have error messages in multiple languages
[18:43] <ziltro2> Assuming that if you see the rainbow screen there's something wrong.
[18:43] <mongrelion> this time I compiled on OS X and copied folder to the rpi. The executable works in mac, but doesn't work in rpi, so I guess I missed a flag when I ran ./configure ?
[18:43] <GriffenJBS> mru: it isn't a bitmap, it's calculated at runtime, simple gradient
[18:43] <mru> ok
[18:43] <mru> so reverse engineer the instruction set and rewrite it :)
[18:44] <GriffenJBS> mongrelion: please post that when you succeed, I'd like that as well
[18:44] <mongrelion> haha you ain't helping at all :C
[18:45] <Hodapp> mongrelion: did you 'make clean' and such?
[18:45] <iBooyaa> mongrelion: I compiled 0.8.2 natively took 2 hrs
[18:46] <iBooyaa> might br quicker if you just want to start using it
[18:46] <iBooyaa> I wasn't able to
[18:46] <mongrelion> iBooyaa: D: I compiled natively and it didn't work. and it took longer than that.
[18:46] <iBooyaa> will have a look and see what's going on then
[18:46] <iBooyaa> what flags
[18:46] <iBooyaa> did you use?
[18:47] <mongrelion> let's see
[18:47] <GriffenJBS> mongrelion: did you try http://blog.tomg.co/post/21322413373/how-to-install-node-js-on-your-raspberry-pi
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[18:47] <iBooyaa> this is the official raspian distro?
[18:47] <mongrelion> ./configure --dest-cpu=arm --with-arm-float-abi=hard
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[18:47] <GriffenJBS> may be bogus, may help, take it with a grain of salt
[18:47] <iBooyaa> your missing some env
[18:47] <iBooyaa> vars
[18:47] <GriffenJBS> nvm, that's with arch
[18:47] <mongrelion> GriffenJBS: I installed nodejs 0.6.9 which is in the repos, but I'd like to have a more up to date version, so cross compiling sounded like a good option, given it was taking very long to compile on the pi.
[18:48] <GriffenJBS> yeah, I have the same one from the repo
[18:49] <iBooyaa> https://gist.github.com/3119325
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[18:49] <iBooyaa> does that match your setup?
[18:50] <mongrelion> I didn't know about the step 4
[18:51] <iBooyaa> I'd do everything in a root shell btw
[18:51] <mongrelion> I'll try that out.
[18:51] <iBooyaa> couldn't be bothered to pass params through sudo
[18:51] <mongrelion> another guy told me to use make install DESTDIR=/some/secure/folder
[18:52] <mongrelion> I am going to compile on the macbook and then copy de DESTDIR to the pi and try that.
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[18:55] <[SLB]> hm if i have a command that takes as input a string, and i want to use the output of another command as input for the first one, how am i supposed to use the redirection operators? example: echo < `uptime` something like that just to give the idea, doesn't work
[18:55] <mru> when you say "takes as input" do you mean as a command line argument or read from stdin?
[18:56] <[SLB]> argument
[18:56] <TheBrayn> pipes?
[18:56] <[SLB]> hm let me see
[18:56] <mru> your_command $(uptime)
[18:56] <TheBrayn> ls | grep foo
[18:56] <Hodapp> [SLB]: echo $(uptime)
[18:56] <TheBrayn> that does not make sense
[18:56] <mru> does to me
[18:57] <[SLB]> thanks $(uptime) was it :)
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[18:58] <TheBrayn> why would you want to combine this with echo?
[18:58] <Hodapp> e.g. before I realized that bash had string manipulation built-in, I'd have things in my scripts like... mv $FILENAME $(echo $FILENAME | sed -e "s/\.jpg$/\.JPG/g")
[18:58] <mru> TheBrayn: echo was just an example
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[18:59] <[SLB]> yes in particular i'm to send a twit, but the behavious is the same as echo for the general case
[18:59] <[SLB]> *behaviour
[18:59] <MasterGeek> !uptime
[18:59] <MasterGeek> 17:56:21 up 211d 5:29, 1 user, load average: 0.79, 0.97, 0.97
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[18:59] <mru> 17:57:27 up 403 days, 3:47, 0 users, load average: 0.99, 0.98, 0.99
[19:00] <mru> and don't blame me, I moved to another house that day
[19:00] <[SLB]> lol
[19:00] <MasterGeek> lol
[19:00] <mru> and no, that's not a machine that's at risk of being hacked
[19:00] <[SLB]> 0 users?
[19:01] <iBooyaa> mru looks busy what you running on it?
[19:01] <mongrelion> ok, so I'm now compiling with the flags that iBooyaa gave me on the gist.
[19:01] <mru> none recorded in utmp at least
[19:01] <mongrelion> error: unknown target CPU 'armv6'
[19:01] <mongrelion> fail.
[19:01] <mru> iBooyaa: testing libav
[19:02] <mru> mostly
[19:02] <iBooyaa> mongrelion: on osx?
[19:03] <mongrelion> ys
[19:03] <mongrelion> yes *
[19:03] <iBooyaa> that's to natively compile not for cross compilers
[19:03] <mongrelion> ah, fail.
[19:04] <mongrelion> unset the variables then?
[19:04] <mongrelion> the cxxflags and the other flags.
[19:04] <mongrelion> or take out the -march flag, maybe.
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[19:08] <mongrelion> clang: warning: argument unused during compilation: '-mfpu=vfp'
[19:09] <mongrelion> same for -mfloat-abi=hard
[19:09] <iBooyaa> exit the shell and start again?
[19:09] <iBooyaa> except don't use those instructions again they're not going to help you on osx
[19:09] <mongrelion> no, no, it's just a warning. I reset the variables, but this time taking out the -march=armv6 flag.
[19:09] <mongrelion> yeah, I kept them thinking they would help, but they don't.
[19:09] <mru> you need to get a proper cross-compiler
[19:10] <mru> by the sound of things, you're trying to use the native osx compiler
[19:10] <mru> that is not going to work
[19:10] <mongrelion> :( what do you mean? I installed the compiler that's been around since last year I think.
[19:10] <mongrelion> not the one that comes with osx nor the one that comes with Xcode.
[19:11] <mru> what exactly did you install?
[19:12] <Hodapp> sadly, when it comes to C/C++ development on OS X, I've just done things in a Linux VM much of the time
[19:13] <Hodapp> so many of the tools were made for Linux and they kind-of-sort-of-but-not-quite work on OS X
[19:14] <mru> it is certainly possible to on osx set up a cross-compilation environment for arm/linux
[19:15] <mru> the usual suspects don't seem to have ready-made packages though
[19:15] <mongrelion> how gcc --version
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[19:15] <mongrelion> i686-apple-darwin11-llvm-gcc-4.2 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2336.11.00)
[19:15] <mru> that will not work
[19:15] <mongrelion> D:
[19:15] <mongrelion> :(
[19:15] <mongrelion> :okay:
[19:16] <mru> do you have a linux machine or vm?
[19:16] <mongrelion> running make test now.
[19:16] <mru> or windows?
[19:16] <mongrelion> no, I don't have at hand.
[19:16] <mongrelion> ah
[19:16] <mongrelion> I've got a linux laptop duh!
[19:16] <mru> what linux is it running?
[19:16] <mongrelion> Laptop with Linux *
[19:16] <mongrelion> Allmighty ArchLinux.
[19:16] <mru> hmm, don't know if that has arm cross compiler packages
[19:17] <mru> but you can always use the linaro ones
[19:17] <mru> binaries here: https://launchpad.net/linaro-toolchain-binaries/trunk/2012.07
[19:17] <MasterGeek> ACTION is away: IRC is just multiplayer notepad for geeks that dont care about leaving kit switched on 24 -7
[19:19] <mongrelion> didn't work.
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[19:20] <nickds> hello
[19:20] <mongrelion> you were right, mru. it didn't work :C
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[19:23] <xiambax> http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?s=2 navcams are a go
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[19:24] <kenyabob> Is this a good time to buy the model b? the raspberry sites seems to hint at something just around the corner
[19:26] <iBooyaa> mongrelion: no pressure but I'll prolly have compiled nodejs natively by te time you've solved cross compiling it on osx ;)
[19:26] <mongrelion> iBooyaa: screw you.
[19:26] <markllama> at $35US plus shipping? If you want what's there, get it. If not, wait for what you want.
[19:26] * mongrelion hides
[19:26] <bertrik> kenyabob, oh, what are they hinting at?
[19:26] <iBooyaa> lolololol
[19:27] <kenyabob> bertrik: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1731
[19:27] <iBooyaa> tell you what I'd compiles
[19:27] * mongrelion clicks
[19:27] <iBooyaa> I'll send you the tarball
[19:27] <mongrelion> that seems like a playground board, kenyabob
[19:27] <mongrelion> iBooyaa: nice :)
[19:28] <kenyabob> mongrelion this also might be a dumb question, but does it come with the ac adapter
[19:28] <bertrik> looks like a prank
[19:28] <markllama> kenyabob: it takes power over USB. I got a USB plug charger thingie to power it.
[19:29] <bertrik> oh, that's some kind of extension board it seems
[19:29] <mongrelion> kenyabob: the raspberry? no, it doesn't. You might use your phone's micro usb charger, though, or connect it to your computer.
[19:29] <mongrelion> mine worked connected to my macbook pro D:
[19:29] <kenyabob> mongrelion: ah cool, thats obvious now
[19:29] <markllama> I run mine when I'm working on it with the serial USB in one port and the power in another on my netbook.
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[19:42] <xiambax> http://www.ustream.tv/nasajpl
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[19:45] <SpeedEvil> thanks
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[19:52] <booyaa> right downloading node, i'll start the time when i hit make
[19:52] <booyaa> meanwhile time for a martini methinks
[19:52] <kenyabob> mongrelion: I would probably get a usb to ac, I want to run this as a home server
[19:53] <kenyabob> booyaa: time zone?
[19:54] <booyaa> UK/BST
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[19:55] <kenyabob> booyaa: so its a gin martini
[19:55] <booyaa> totes
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[19:56] <booyaa> non of that vodka nonsense
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[19:56] <Hodapp> raspberry vodka?
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[19:59] <booyaa> also the vermouth does actually mingle with the gin, don't have any truck with that hover the bottle over it non sense
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[20:00] <gordonDrogon> evening all.
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[20:01] <booyaa> cheers everyone! http://instagram.com/p/OE4q5ui8pU/
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[20:01] * mongrelion verifies the day of the week
[20:01] * mongrelion stares pokerfaced at booyaa
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> ginger beer, right?
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> anyway, I have a NES joystick or to to cut the silly plug off now ... :)
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[20:03] <TeeCee> Woo! Chatting from my Pi on the telly! :D
[20:04] <mongrelion> what telly?
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[20:04] <booyaa> mongrelion: :D i've patch node (i think i may have given you the wrong gist)
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[20:05] <booyaa> running configure
[20:05] <SpeedEvil> Chatting on my pie through my nexus 7
[20:05] <Kanerix> Talk about latency ^
[20:05] <mranostay> wow such high tech
[20:05] <TeeCee> mongrelion: On my television.. Nothing fancy... Just using my Pi as a PC, SSHing to my shell, chatting from that...
[20:06] <mongrelion> yeah but what televisor?
[20:06] <mongrelion> booyaa: running configure on the pi?
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[20:07] <booyaa> make started at 19:05
[20:07] <booyaa> mongrelion: yup
[20:07] <booyaa> any closer to solving the problem on osx?
[20:07] * gordonDrogon cuts the silly plug off.. they're probably worth something, but hey ho ... I need the wires!
[20:07] <booyaa> come up dude you've got two hours to beat the pi ;)
[20:09] <mongrelion> booyaa: well, I see there's a way to setup a toolchain for crosscompiling in osx but I don't wanna mess my system. I'd like to keep it clean. So I think I'm going to setup a virtual machine for such purpose.
[20:09] <mongrelion> lol
[20:09] <mongrelion> I gotta attend some errands in a while.
[20:09] <mongrelion> no way I can beat that up.
[20:09] <mongrelion> you're such a hater, did you know that? :P
[20:09] <mongrelion> stop harassing me lololol
[20:09] <xiambax> Haters gonna hate.
[20:10] <booyaa> mongrelion: trololol ;)
[20:10] <TeeCee> mongrelion: A 46" Samsung...
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[20:10] <booyaa> i really need to get my act to gether and setup a cross compiler, not found compiling stuff this way wheb u've got beefier machines that can do it
[20:11] <mongrelion> TeeCee: I see... that's quite fancy.
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[20:12] <kenyabob> just bought my raspberry. now I just have to wait 12 weeks!
[20:12] <Hodapp> kenyabob: where'd you buy from?
[20:12] <nid0> why not order from farnell, it'd be more like 2
[20:12] <kenyabob> Allied
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[20:12] <j3> :D
[20:13] <mongrelion> is farnell selling rapsberries with no queue? or do you still have to get in the queue?
[20:13] <Hodapp> booyaa: This doesn't automatically mean a cross-compiler. It could mean a farm of emulated environments... though that still incurs a speed hit.
[20:13] <bertrik> I got mine from farnell quite quickly, ordered july 16th, it shipped july 25th (IIRC)
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> I picked up 300 raspberries today, no waiting.
[20:13] <mongrelion> booyaa: I'm looking forward to test this on the new vm I'm going to setup http://crosstool-ng.org/
[20:13] <SpeedEvil> made jam.
[20:14] <Hodapp> mongrelion: what was this talk above of harassment?
[20:14] * mongrelion kickbans SpeedEvil
[20:14] <Hodapp> SpeedEvil: I made raspberry ale from mine.
[20:14] <kenyabob> bertrik: international shipping?
[20:14] <mongrelion> Hodapp: I was playing the fool with booyaa
[20:14] <SpeedEvil> is raspberry ale drinkable?
[20:14] <Hodapp> pffft :P
[20:14] <Hodapp> SpeedEvil: Yes.
[20:15] <NullMoogleCable> I want to see a made in usa distributor :(
[20:15] <bertrik> kenyabob, from the UK to the netherlands, by royal mail
[20:15] <Hodapp> I got mine from Newark.
[20:15] <Hodapp> said 5-6 weeks lead time but shipped in a week.
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[20:16] <mongrelion> I got mine from Farnell but didn't know they'd got international shipping, so I had to got a postal locker in Spain and then get it shipped to Colombia.
[20:16] <mongrelion> Took around 2-3 weeks.
[20:16] <mongrelion> s/got/get
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[20:18] <ekselkiu> Which kernel modules do I need to use a USB mouse?
[20:18] <booyaa> i preorder from rs, waiting till sep to get it
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[20:18] <mongrelion> booyaa: same here.
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[20:18] <kenyabob> Farnell seems to think it'll get new stock on the 10th of September
[20:18] <booyaa> order from farnell when the waiting list was dropped got mine in 2 weeks
[20:18] <booyaa> go fig
[20:19] <dennistlg> ekselkiu usbhid
[20:19] <mongrelion> farnell dropped waiting list? D:
[20:19] <booyaa> rs will arrive 10 weeks later eh?
[20:19] <booyaa> mongrelion: they both have
[20:19] <booyaa> rs included
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[20:20] <raspbelion> :D
[20:21] <ekselkiu> I don't even get a "device connected" message in dmesg.
[20:21] <mongrelion> ekselkiu: that's weird. Could it be your power source?
[20:21] <booyaa> 19:19:04 up 22:15, 2 users, load average: 1.03, 1.04, 0.76 <-- node compilation
[20:21] <ekselkiu> I've tried it both directly in the pi and also in a powered hub (Belkin F5U706).
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[20:21] <raspbelion> booyaa: showing off a bit, huh?
[20:22] <raspbelion> 13:19:52 up 1 day, 23:34, 1 user, load average: 0.19, 0.12, 0.14
[20:22] <raspbelion> Linux ginger 3.1.9+ #168 PREEMPT Sat Jul 14 18:56:31 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[20:22] <mongrelion> ah, you were not showing off. sorry.
[20:22] <booyaa> raspbelion: arf! arf!
[20:22] <raspbelion> 26 minutes until 2 days uptime /o\
[20:22] <booyaa> i'm just winding up mongrelion ;) it's all in good jest though he gets the tarball in the end
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[20:23] <raspbelion> raspbelion == mongrelion on rpi
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> ok, do I solder on pins or sockets... pins can go into a breadboard, sockets can go into the Pi directly...
[20:23] * gordonDrogon ponders.
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[20:24] <ekselkiu> The mouse identifies as "ID 1241:1111 Belkin Mouse"
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> think I'll go with pins on the first one - might let me see the signals if it's not working at any rate...
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[20:24] <bertrik> I'd breadboard it first
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[20:25] <NullMoogleCable> would a powered hub like thist be good to use with the pi?
[20:25] <NullMoogleCable> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-PORT-USB-2-0-EXTERNAL-HUB-W-POWER-ADAPTER-FOR-PC-MAC-/390451867758?pt=US_USB_Cables_Hubs_Adapters&hash=item5ae8beb06e
[20:25] <mikma> it may be or it may be not
[20:25] <ekselkiu> NullMoogleCable: It's too cheap.
[20:26] <ekselkiu> It's a good idea to choose a model that's listed on the wiki.
[20:26] <booyaa> it'll save you a lot of heart ache
[20:26] <booyaa> think of the hair by your temples
[20:26] <ekselkiu> You can get some really cheap hubs where all the +5V and all the ground pins are tied together.
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[20:27] <nid0> fwiw that hub will at least power the pi (i've got one that looks exactly the same but black, presumably theyll be the same) but like every cheap crappy hub it leaks power upstream, which is not ideal
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[20:29] <dennistlg> my hub had upstream power after mod.
[20:30] <dennistlg> its runing fine before and after
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[20:30] <dennistlg> the goal for the mod was to power over usb port
[20:30] <dennistlg> and not power port.
[20:31] <mongrelion> booyaa: I gotta go. Would you please let me know when the nodejs compilation is done? :)
[20:33] <ekselkiu> I get "cannot enable port n. Maybe the USB cable is bad?"
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[20:35] <markllama> I don't power my pi from the hub that also powers the devices
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> Gertboards are here!!!
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.farnell.com/element14/gertbom/kit-gertboard-gpio-board-unassembled/dp/2115337?Ntt=2115337&COM=raspberry-group-gert
[20:36] <markllama> ok, explain in 1 line what a gertboard is and what one might want one for?
[20:36] <ReggieUK> pixie dust and wrangling ponies
[20:36] * markllama clicks on the "read more" on the site
[20:36] <ekselkiu> Interface board for the raspberry pi.
[20:37] <plugwash> personally I think the gertboard falls uncomfortablly between two stools
[20:37] <markllama> ahh controller interface board.
[20:37] <ReggieUK> plugwash, define stool
[20:37] <markllama> careful!
[20:37] <plugwash> something you sit on that doesn't have a back.....
[20:38] <ReggieUK> I meant in this context
[20:38] <ReggieUK> there's 2 devices that you feel it falls between :)
[20:38] <ReggieUK> which 2 :)
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[20:38] <plugwash> personally I think the biginner would be better served by something like the piface
[20:39] <plugwash> while advanced uses will be better served with a breadboard and a set of M-F breadboard cables
[20:39] <ReggieUK> I don't think I've seen the piface yet
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[20:40] <ReggieUK> I think they offer different things to different beginners
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> piface is good, but only 6 outputs really.
[20:40] <ReggieUK> if you aren't handy with a soldering iron, then that gertboard link isn't really for you
[20:41] <ReggieUK> assembled of course is a different matter
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> the thing that irritates me about the PiFace is that it hides all the other Pi's GPIO pins )-:
[20:42] <techsurvivor> that's a waste
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/piface/
[20:42] <ReggieUK> they really are just different boards
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[20:45] <gordonDrogon> tonights mods to my gpio program is to add a load function to load the spi and/or i2c drivers and chown the /dev/ entries - which is a gross abuse of abuseness but at least it would make it easy for userland programs to access them...
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[20:52] <hotwings> heh gordonDrogon
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[20:57] <gordonDrogon> hotwings, What Ho!
[20:58] <TeeCee> Anyone know if it's much work to browse and mount Windows share from Raspbian?
[20:59] <TeeCee> I want to play video with omxplayer from a Windows share...
[20:59] <nid0> mount -t cifs host:/share /mountpoint
[21:00] <TeeCee> No packages needed? :D
[21:00] <nid0> no
[21:00] <TeeCee> Cool..
[21:00] <TeeCee> Any tips on how to discover the share?
[21:00] <techsurvivor> uh it should be where you share it from ? :)
[21:00] <nid0> why do you need to discover it? surely you shared it, you should know where it is?
[21:00] <techsurvivor> heh
[21:01] <techsurvivor> do yo know that your directory is already shared by you?
[21:01] <TeeCee> I know... I'm just lazy.. :p
[21:01] <techsurvivor> you could use a dictionary attack program probably
[21:02] <techsurvivor> otherwise you need to know it
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[21:02] <TeeCee> It's shared on my laptop... But I never access it from something other than my television, so I'm not sure of the share name..
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[21:02] <TeeCee> However, I'm using smbtree.. :)
[21:02] <techsurvivor> ah well right click on it and look
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[21:03] <techsurvivor> i have to admit, i'm not that great at windows so maybe there is a network share discovery program in linux
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[21:03] <markllama> if you know the hostname smbclient -L <hostname> will list the shares advertised.
[21:04] <markllama> I'm not sure if you can just listen for NETBeui broadcasts.
[21:05] <TeeCee> Success! :D However, it took a lots of escaping.. :-)
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[21:09] <GriffenJBS> TeeCee: lazy or not I think it should be searchable, either it's not meant to be secure and find it helps, or it's meant to be secure and "security thru obscurity" doesn't work.
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[21:15] <mikma> http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/balls_of_steel.jpg :D
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[21:18] <TeeCee> GriffenJBS: Agreed...
[21:21] <ziltro2> I think you can use //machine/share rather than \\\\machine\\share.
[21:21] <markllama> in quotes
[21:22] <mikma> http://mikma.eu/rpi/mount.txt ? :P
[21:24] <ziltro2> Yeah like that
[21:24] <ziltro2> Nice password
[21:25] <mikma> it's an example :)
[21:26] <ziltro2> Awh and there was I about to hack the mainframe...
[21:28] <TheBrayn> do I have to know anything special for installing xorg on the rpi?
[21:28] <mikma> have fun anyway, i guess windows security will be a blast
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[21:28] <TheBrayn> will I need a xorg.conf?
[21:29] <Kanerix> which distro?
[21:29] <mikma> why not zoidberg?
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[21:35] <TheBrayn> Kanerix: does this matter?
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[21:35] <TheBrayn> raspbian
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[21:35] <ziltro2> Raspbian comes with X configured
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[21:36] <TheBrayn> not the image I used
[21:36] <Kanerix> Of course it matters
[21:37] <Kanerix> Install scripts are completely bloody different from one distro to the next
[21:37] <TheBrayn> m(
[21:37] <Kanerix> and they have completely different package management solutions
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[21:37] <TheBrayn> I'm not a linux noob who has to be told how to use a package manager
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[21:37] <ziltro2> I assume you tried 'startx' then?
[21:38] <TheBrayn> lol
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[21:41] <chickey999> Hi guys, any plex users out there, wondering if anyone has tried any efforts to compile it for the Pi
[21:43] <chickey999> trying it myself but would be good to bounce issues off people :)
[21:44] <bluenovember> Hi all. I have a new pi with raspian loaded. It shows up in my router's host list. When I connect to it with putty I immediately get the error "Network error: Software caused connection abort". Any ideas why?
[21:45] <Kanerix> bluenovember, have you installed openssh?
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[21:45] <TheBrayn> I'm pretty sure that raspbian comes with openssl preconfigured
[21:45] <bluenovember> the raspian image is vanilla, and headless. the faq implied that it came ... exactly ^
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[21:46] <Kanerix> Please note that this is the general raspberry pi chat room and NOT specific to raspbian
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[21:46] <Kanerix> Please do not assume everyone is using the same distro
[21:46] <bluenovember> I did specify I was using raspian
[21:46] <w0m> Rasbian; boot with a monitor/keyboard first time and enable ssh server
[21:46] <Kanerix> ^
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[21:47] <bluenovember> Ah, it's not on by default? That would be it. Ty w0m.
[21:47] <w0m> first boot it opens up a dialogue to set it up; grow partitions/etc
[21:47] <nid0> it is on by default
[21:47] <bertrik> I did see a problem with keys not getting generated properly on the raspbian image I downloaded
[21:48] <w0m> Last time i did it a few weeks ago; you had to specify "sshd on by default" or somethign similar during initial boot
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[21:48] <bluenovember> Is there a way to do that from the filesystem on the SD card?
[21:48] <bluenovember> adding a head would be problematic
[21:49] <ziltro2> Can you do it with a keyboard but no monitor? ;)
[21:49] <bluenovember> if I knew what to type ;p
[21:49] <w0m> Do it once to get it setup as you want; then just copy the image; small enough
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[21:56] <techsurvivor> w0m that's exactly what I did, put everything I wanted on it and made an "golden image" that I use as a base for future cards
[21:56] <techsurvivor> and hopefully took enough notes to reproduce in the future for next release of rpi :)
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[21:58] <booyaa> mongrelion: finished!
[21:58] <booyaa> bsuy watching tv, will package jup tomoz
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[22:19] <Ben-> hi folk
[22:19] <ekselkiu> The keyboard is still disconnecting, even with this powered USB hub that's supposed to be good.
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[22:19] <mru> maybe the keyboard is bad
[22:19] <Ben-> I just tried to overclock my rpi ( arm_freq=850 gpu_freq=350). how can I find out if it actually worked?
[22:20] <mru> try a different one
[22:20] <ekselkiu> Haven't got a different one that's spare.
[22:20] <techsurvivor> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[22:20] <bircoe> you won't see mhz tho...
[22:20] <mru> Ben-: run something intensive with a verifiable result
[22:20] <ekselkiu> Although the pi is a bit crap if all these USB devices don't work with it.
[22:20] <techsurvivor> close enough
[22:20] <bircoe> bogomips is roughly equal to the clock speed
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[22:21] <techsurvivor> it's a little less on rpi, but you'll that your overclocking worked
[22:21] <bircoe> in the pi's case anyway
[22:21] <mru> does it have frequency scaling?
[22:21] <bircoe> i did say roughly!
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[22:21] <Ben-> bircoe: yes, it's @847 :)
[22:21] <Ben-> thanks
[22:21] <GriffenJBS> mongrelion: any luck with node.js?
[22:21] <bircoe> mru not sure but I'd assume so, and it would need kernel support
[22:22] <techsurvivor> probably, but i don't think it's available to us regular people
[22:22] <mru> that sucks
[22:22] <mru> I'd rather have none at all
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[22:22] <GriffenJBS> mru: your wanting to throttle the power, or idle the pi?
[22:23] <techsurvivor> not really, frequency is for saving power, but you're not really gonna save that much on an rpi, whereas it can make a real difference on a pc cpu
[22:23] <mru> depends on the silicon process used
[22:23] <mru> and other things
[22:24] <mru> clocking down sure saves a lot of power on typical mobile chips
[22:24] <GriffenJBS> you can clock down the pi, but not at runtime
[22:24] <mru> of course such chips have very aggressive power management in other ways too
[22:24] <mru> GriffenJBS: so once started, it sticks to one frequency?
[22:25] <mru> no scaling going on controlled by something closed?
[22:25] <dennistlg> my pi is online with switchable gpio on the first a blue led is connected. give me the light guys ! http://haxorpi.myftp.org/
[22:25] <techsurvivor> could be fun to clock and watch the power usage at various clock rates for some of those hardware geeks out there :)
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[22:26] <ekselkiu> Even worse, these crappy new versions of X reset your keyboard layout every time it reconnects.
[22:26] <GriffenJBS> iirc the gpu sets the cpu clock in bootcode.bin
[22:27] <GriffenJBS> the cpu doesn't (but may be able too) change it's clock freq
[22:27] <GriffenJBS> it may be as simple as needing software support, but idk
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[22:27] <mru> depending on the design of the clock generator, it may not be possible to change it while the arm is running
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[22:28] <dennistlg> thanks to the guy who give me the light ;-)
[22:28] <[SLB]> yw dennistlg :3
[22:28] <TheBrayn> when will there be a proper video driver for the rpi?
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[22:29] <mru> TheBrayn: when broadcom feels like making one
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[22:29] <TheBrayn> did anyone try to write an open source driver?
[22:29] <TheBrayn> like radeon or nouveau
[22:29] <mru> no specs
[22:29] <TheBrayn> hm
[22:29] <mru> you'd have to reverse engineer the gpu first
[22:29] <mru> and that's no easy task
[22:30] <dennistlg> mru glaxy y have smiliar broadcom chip
[22:30] <TheBrayn> so how is it able to play hd video without a proper video driver?
[22:30] <dennistlg> and its open source i think anyone should try it
[22:30] <bircoe> same or similar?
[22:30] <bircoe> similar != same
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[22:30] <GriffenJBS> mru: it's not that grim, but yes, the gpu is a black box
[22:30] <ekselkiu> Might using the latest kernel version fix the problems with the keyboard?
[22:31] <bircoe> give it a go and find out...
[22:31] <ekselkiu> Not sure where to get it.
[22:31] <GriffenJBS> X will do better with a driver aimed at the pi, there is opengl support and that can be used to HW accel a lot of 2d ops
[22:31] <ekselkiu> Hmm, interesting, this mouse doesn't work with my desktop PC through the hub.
[22:32] <bircoe> adb
[22:32] <bircoe> crap...
[22:33] <mru> the internets reckon galaxy y has a BCM21553 chip
[22:33] <phire> it has a propper video driver
[22:33] <dennistlg> pi has bcm 2835 with videocore 4 glaxy y has BCM21553 with videocore 4
[22:33] <phire> but X11 doesn't know how to use it
[22:33] <phire> its as simple as that.
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[22:34] <dennistlg> also i think galaxy y use dsi display but dont know 100%
[22:35] <dennistlg> think the source is usefull
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, we need a webcam pointing to it so we know we've changed the LEDs :)
[22:36] <Ben-> btw what the fastest method to transfer files over network to the rpi?
[22:36] <mru> gordonDrogon: you still can't be sure he doesn't have a little gnome toggling switches manually
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> mru, mechanical turk ;-)
[22:36] <ekselkiu> Is there a pre-compiled kernel I can use for Arch Linux somewhere? I'd rather not have to compile it.
[22:36] <Ben-> PC->Router->RPi via LAN using FTP is @600-700 kb/s
[22:36] <Ben-> that seems very slow
[22:37] <Ben-> samba is not much faster
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[22:37] <gordonDrogon> Ben-, write speed on the SD card is the limiter.
[22:37] <mru> Ben-: large or small files?
[22:37] <dennistlg> gordon wait a few minutes have to set one up
[22:37] <Ben-> mru: large files
[22:37] <jcdutton> Ben-, pi SD card reading is slow.
[22:37] <Ben-> I'm writing on my hdd connected to the rpi
[22:37] <mru> with many small files you need to use a protocol that doesn't open a new tcp connection for each file
[22:37] <lmarcetic> i'd love to see how and where and by whom raspberry pi is really produced
[22:38] <mru> with large files that's less of a concern
[22:38] <Iota> Just another shameless reminder that you're welcome to setup a free subdomain on one of my raspberryip domains over at http://freedns.afraid.org/domain/registry/?q=raspberryip
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[22:38] <gordonDrogon> Ben-, ok - in that case it's the USB - remember the Ethernet is on the same USB as your local HDD and USB is half duplex.
[22:38] <Ben-> I'm downloading a 1gb file to my hdd right now, it's 1.25mb/s, im downloading from internet
[22:38] <jcdutton> Ben-, also the network card is slow. It uses USB
[22:38] <mru> lmarcetic: why, it's made by elves in a magical place
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> Ben-, mega bits or bytes ?
[22:38] <lmarcetic> mru, is that supposed to be funny?
[22:39] <Ben-> 1.25M/s eta 7m 33s
[22:39] <Ben-> says wget
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[22:39] <Ben-> not sure what's the convention here
[22:39] <mru> bytes
[22:39] <Ben-> ok
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> yea, bytes- so actually you're flatlining the Ethernet.
[22:39] <Ben-> then it's much faster than the internal transfer via LAN
[22:39] <mru> so you're getting ~10Mbits/s
[22:40] <Ben-> wondering why
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[22:41] <lmarcetic> is anyone from the foundation able to trace the supply chain to the factory? do they even care?
[22:42] * plugwash wouldn't be entirely surprised if there was more than one factory involved now
[22:42] <TheBrayn> why did the makers of the rpi choose a proprietary graphics chip?
[22:42] <lmarcetic> plugwash, of course there is.
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> lmarcetic, I understand Eben went out to China to see it at one point..
[22:43] <MasterGeek> price
[22:43] <TheBrayn> hm
[22:43] <mranostay> TheBrayn: to clear out old chip supply
[22:43] <lmarcetic> gordonDrogon, where's this info come from?
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> TheBrayn, because they work for a company who makes the chip.
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> lmarcetic, I'd have read it on the forums.
[22:43] <plugwash> is there any arm gpu that ISN'T propietry?
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> or the news section of the raspberrypi.org site.
[22:44] <phire> plugwash, no
[22:44] <phire> but i think all of them now have people working on opensource drivers
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> lmarcetic, however (and I could be wrong), the foundation got the first 10,000 made - it was them up the RS & Farnell to get the rest made - and I know they have different PCBs so I don't know if they still used the same factorys, or if each of RS & Farnell have their own manufacturing factorys...
[22:44] <ekselkiu> *factories
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[22:45] * gordonDrogon shrugs
[22:45] <lmarcetic> gordonDrogon, http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/factory
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> lmarcetic, it's not something I'm that concerned about right now.
[22:45] <bmwiedemann> Hi, if anyone is interested in a 3.2 kernel for the Pi, I have a working one now (includes some cleanup): https://github.com/bmwiedemann/raspberrypi-linux
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[22:46] <bmwiedemann> 3.3 is nearly there, but not fully compiling
[22:46] <lmarcetic> that's all i can find. farnell sent their "investigator" who was shown whatever, then he reported what he was shown to whomever, and then they reported that to eben, who reported it to us
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> bmwiedemann, http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/factory
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> dolp!
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> bmwiedemann, Linux raspberrypi 3.2.23+ #3 PREEMPT Wed Jul 18 17:56:26 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> silly X copy & paste buffers.
[22:47] <lmarcetic> agree about the buffer, disagree about the care for the workers
[22:47] <ekselkiu> gordonDrogon: You can set the selection buffer and copy buffer to be the same, I think.
[22:47] <bmwiedemann> gordonDrogon: ah, nice. and what about later kernels?
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> bmwiedemann, if it's ain't broke...
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> bmwiedemann, this is bootc's kernel fwiw - he's been maintaining one for a while.
[22:49] * lmarcetic growls at the us, china, capitalism, communism, and himself
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> lmarcetic, not being concerend and not caring are different.
[22:49] <bmwiedemann> gordonDrogon: I've seen some of his patches during my rebasing
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[22:49] <lmarcetic> gordonDrogon, how?
[22:49] <phire> have we managed to get anything pushed upstream yet?
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> lmarcetic, growl at them all you like. what do you want to change?
[22:50] <phire> and by we, I mean people who are actually working on the kernel
[22:50] <chickey999> any plex users ?
[22:51] * plugwash must get arround to checking again if there is a usable 3.2 based kernel or not
[22:51] <lmarcetic> gordonDrogon, i want to know the source of my products, so i can avoid those which include slave drivers
[22:51] <lmarcetic> *products i buy
[22:51] <lmarcetic> gordonDrogon, can you help me with that, or refer me to someone who can?
[22:52] <lmarcetic> *at least for the raspberry pi's products
[22:52] * ReggieUK thinks this discussion deserves to be elsewhere
[22:52] <MasterGeek> so my pi isnt CE compliant ?
[22:53] <phire> which discussion? linux kernels or slave drivers?
[22:53] <lmarcetic> ReggieUK, out of sight and mind perhaps?
[22:53] <bmwiedemann> MasterGeek: mine has got CE logos on it... and they should be pretty much alike to each other
[22:54] <ReggieUK> not at all, you can discuss it as much as you like but quite frankly, I'm bored of the discussion, it's not productive so take it somewhere that might
[22:54] <ReggieUK> perhaps on the pi forums where someone at the foundation might actually see it
[22:54] <MasterGeek> oh yer mine has CE on the back
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[22:57] <lmarcetic> ReggieUK, oh you mean the place where I "agree that ?Raspberry Pi? [has] the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should [they] see fit."
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> lmarcetic, I have to say - why ask me? I mean, if you want to know there is only 2 people to ask - Eben or Liz. They're not here, never have been. Put a post up in the forums or something...
[22:57] <lmarcetic> gordonDrogon, idk. you replied. i thought you knew something.
[22:57] <ReggieUK> lmarcetic, I've suggested where you might actually get answers to your questions
[22:58] <ReggieUK> if that's not good enough for you, quite frankly, I reallly don't care :)
[22:58] <phire> Having your topic deleted counts as an answer too
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> lmarcetic, I reply to most people with stuff I'm reasobably sure of - I was sure I'd read something on the forums about the manufacturing plant, so I replied and you found it ...
[22:58] <lmarcetic> gordonDrogon, did I?
[22:58] <chithead> bmwiedemann: 3.3 is already there, just grab an openwrt build
[22:59] <gordonDrogon> lmarcetic, yes, you put the link to it here.
[22:59] <lmarcetic> oh, the he said she said he saw they've shown chain.
[22:59] <lmarcetic> thx for the suggestion, though
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> I thought they had - but it looks like Farnell has.
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> Heh. using the mini piio protoboard to plug my NES joystick into - it's perfect!
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> for a test, anyway.
[23:01] <lmarcetic> gordonDrogon, getting me depressed. reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gOu50HaEvs
[23:01] <bmwiedemann> chithead: do they have a git repo of the kernel tree?
[23:01] <chithead> no, just patches against 3.3.8 https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/target/linux/brcm2708/
[23:03] <bmwiedemann> not too bad.
[23:03] <phire> I get a timeout
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[23:04] <bmwiedemann> phire: I'll try a subversion checkout
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[23:05] <gordonDrogon> lmarcetic, I don't have time to watch the video.
[23:05] <lmarcetic> gordonDrogon, that's fine.
[23:06] <chithead> hm, this was working a minute ago
[23:06] <bmwiedemann> phire: svn co worked
[23:08] <chithead> now the trac interface works again too
[23:08] <dennistlg> need a usb stecker.... or cable. ;-)
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[23:09] <booyaa> mongrelion: pi: Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #168 PREEMPT Sat Jul 14 18:56:31 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux node: v0.8.6
[23:09] <bmwiedemann> but from looking at the patches, they seem to differ quite a bit from the raspberrypi-3.1.9 ones
[23:09] <booyaa> i've not tested it in anger
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[23:23] <GriffenJBS> I'm private chatting with lmarcetic, what's farther to the left than "bleeding heart liberal"?
[23:23] <Neutron5> has anyone had any success with some powered USB hub for the RPI?
[23:23] <ReggieUK> Marx?
[23:23] <Neutron5> when I plug mine in, I get flooded with some some error message from eth0 saying "kevent may have been dropped" :P
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> Neutron5, I have a powered hub - currently powering 2 Pis ...
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> Neutron5, it's a LOGIK ...
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> Neutron5, make sure you have the latest kernel & firmware.
[23:27] <Neutron5> I'm using the raspbian image from the website, it was downloaded yesterday
[23:27] <ameoba> GriffenJBS: "Dirty hippie"?
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[23:27] <ekselkiu> Well I've been using this keyboard with this USB hub with my desktop computer for a while now. No problems whatsoever.
[23:27] <ekselkiu> So I doubt it's a power supply problem that causes it to repeatedly disconnect when used with the pi.
[23:28] <Neutron5> I have tried 2 different hubs, a powered one and an unpowered one, no success with either
[23:28] <Neutron5> yeah the voltage on my board is a bit low.. I get like 4.5V on TP1/2, while I still have measured it to be 5V at the plug
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[23:29] <Neutron5> I have a 7805 voltage regulator directly soldered to a MicroUSB plug, measuring at the pins of the regulator I have like 5.05V out under load, yet still just 4.5V at the TPs
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> Neutron5, still worthwhile updating - sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[23:30] <booyaa> mongrelion: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ms6k9v1efcuj494/node-v0.8.6.tgz (try down loading that), should be able to untar and make install it
[23:30] <Neutron5> will give it a try, I'll just have to resize the partition and FS again after I messed up my install the other day :p
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> you can resize live.
[23:30] <booyaa> mongrelion: if it fails, make sure you've got these deps https://gist.github.com/3130631
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> well, make it bigger, anyway.
[23:31] <booyaa> night all
[23:31] <Neutron5> yeah I did it for my previous install
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, be seeing you
[23:31] <GriffenJBS> Neutron5: there is the polyfuse which accounts for some of the drop
[23:31] <Neutron5> but I messed it up by trying to install gnome
[23:31] <GriffenJBS> Neutron5: can you read schematics?
[23:31] <Neutron5> GriffenJBS: yeah I know, but 0.5V is still a bit
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> Neutron5, a-ha... that's slow it down somewhat..
[23:31] <Neutron5> yes
[23:31] <GriffenJBS> I agree, and more than the poly should account for
[23:32] <GriffenJBS> Do you have a schematic of the rpi?
[23:32] <Neutron5> but on one of the pages in the wiki, they showed a pic of someone testing there, and the display showed about 5V
[23:32] <Neutron5> no I don't, sorry
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[23:33] <Neutron5> but it is the fuse on the underside just where the power connector is, right?
[23:33] <Neutron5> F3
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[23:33] <home> hey guys
[23:34] <GriffenJBS> Neutron5: http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Raspberry-Pi-Schematics-R1.0.pdf
[23:34] <plugwash> yeah F3 is the only thing between the microusb and the 5V rail.
[23:34] <Neutron5> I do have a 275mV drop across it it seems
[23:34] <Neutron5> is there any reason not to just short out that fuse?
[23:35] <Lasse^> protection I guess.
[23:35] <plugwash> As long as your power supply has a reasonable limit on available current shorting out F3 shouldn't be too big a deal
[23:35] <bertrik> What is D17? some kind of zener?
[23:35] <plugwash> yeah, crude overvoltage protection
[23:35] <Neutron5> I am only planning to power it with some pity USB chargers anyway, not some high current supply
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[23:35] <plugwash> it will probablly prevent the Pi being fried if too much voltage is hooked up but I wouldn't like tobet on it
[23:36] <Lasse^> there's probably also voltage drop in that zener.
[23:36] <Neutron5> GriffenJBS: thanks
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[23:38] <Neutron5> if the zener is stuck there to protect anything it's most likely in parallel
[23:39] <Neutron5> so it won't draw any current until the voltage is too high
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[23:40] <bertrik> right, the datasheet says the breakdown voltage is between 6.4 and 7.25V for the 5V version, so it should not conduct significantly at 5V yet
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[23:41] <Neutron5> nothing at all, perhaps a few microamps if anything
[23:41] <bertrik> I think there's a trick to lift the 7805 regulator voltage a bit by putting a diode in the 7805 ground pin
[23:41] <dennistlg> gordonDrogon you can play again have to use laptop webcam http://haxorpi.myftp.org/
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> or an led for more
[23:42] <bertrik> this adds one forward diode voltage to the output
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> that is when it starts to break down
[23:43] <SpeedEvil> the voltage at which it hits 1a is lots more
[23:44] <plugwash> bertrik, yeah there is, I guess a shotkey diode in that pin may add just enough to improve Pi stability
[23:44] <plugwash> while not adding so much as to risk damage to the Pi
[23:44] <plugwash> I think a regular silicon diode would add too much
[23:45] <dennistlg> gordonDrogon ?
[23:45] <Neutron5> but maybe adding a diode isn't too bad of an idea, when the current rises, so does the output voltage to compensate for the loss in cables
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[23:47] <plugwash> personally I think i'd preffer to use an adjustable regulator and adjust it to somewhere arround 5.15V
[23:47] * bertrik controlled a blue LED somewhere
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[23:47] <Neutron5> I think I will just short out that polyfuse
[23:48] <dennistlg> bertrik the led is in L?neburg Germany
[23:49] <Neutron5> unless somebody has any objections on it
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[23:58] <Neutron5> http://i.imgur.com/DXijc.png mohaha
[23:59] <GriffenJBS> Neutron5: what is the resistance of the polyfuse?

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