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IRC Log for 2012-08-09

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[0:00] <Neutron5> no idea, I shorted it out, so it should be 0 ohm now
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[0:02] <Neutron5> 5.16V on the board now
[0:03] <bertrik> \o/
[0:04] <xiambax> Is anyone else someones technical go to guy, and they don't get paid or taken care of in return? Im friends with a business owner and am constantly taken advantage of.
[0:04] <xiambax> ARG
[0:04] <GriffenJBS> that's higher than the 5.0xV you stated earlier
[0:04] <dennistlg> ,nice i have 4,81 gnt to testpoint 1
[0:04] <Neutron5> GriffenJBS: yeah that was when I used a 7805 directly on the plug, but now I'm using a USB charger instead
[0:05] <dennistlg> gnd
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[0:05] <Neutron5> but it seems like the polyfuse was stealing the volts so :>
[0:05] <mranostay> xiambax: i fixed that rather easily
[0:05] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, hi... checking.
[0:05] <Neutron5> let me try the hubs again and see if I still have the same problems
[0:05] <mranostay> just get rid of the friends :P
[0:05] <GriffenJBS> xiambax: I agree, they aren't very good friends
[0:06] <xiambax> Well he owns a skate shop and i buy tons of stuff there and never get any kind of real discount. I always bug him about it but still nothing.
[0:06] <xiambax> I always charge people 100 to 50 an hour otherwise its really not worth my time.
[0:06] <GriffenJBS> then nothing to lose
[0:06] <xiambax> So I always hook him up and never get any kind of compensation, cash or gear.
[0:07] <GriffenJBS> have you flat out told him this?
[0:07] <ReggieUK> wait until the guy really needs you then hit him up for something
[0:07] <ReggieUK> fix my pc
[0:07] <ReggieUK> sure, I need some new vans
[0:07] <GriffenJBS> if you've told him and he's still doing this, get lost, FAST
[0:07] <xiambax> I just lent him my router cause his crapped out during an electrical storm.
[0:07] <xiambax> Which he needs to run his point of sale otherwise his business is flat out sol.
[0:07] <GriffenJBS> "lent"? dude this is business, charge
[0:08] <GriffenJBS> you saved his ... ReggieUK won't let me say it
[0:08] <techsurvivor> yeah, that's a person who is just taking advantage of you
[0:08] <GriffenJBS> then again it's not very rpi related either
[0:08] <techsurvivor> thought crime!
[0:08] <GriffenJBS> techsurvivor: careful, they'll get you!
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[0:08] <techsurvivor> yeah, if you had lent him a raspberry pi :)
[0:09] <techsurvivor> it would be more on topic
[0:09] <GriffenJBS> saved his bacon, now I'm getting hungry
[0:10] <ReggieUK> we're not too hot on keeping things on topic
[0:10] <ReggieUK> within reason
[0:10] <dennistlg> gordonDrogon wait
[0:10] <dennistlg> are you there?
[0:11] <Neutron5> try to take things offtopic at #tor on OFTC ^^
[0:11] <phire> I resigned from being "the most computer litrate computer person" in the family a few months ago.
[0:11] <phire> life has been so much easier ever since.
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[0:12] <techsurvivor> it's weird people would never think of asking a plumbing member of the family to spend hours under their sink without paying but for computer people it does seem to be expected
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[0:15] <phire> For me it was the hundreds of repetive little questions that annoyied me.
[0:15] <GriffenJBS> phire: did this replace you? http://xkcd.com/627/
[0:15] <Neutron5> I don't fix software issues for people anymore unless they allow me to do a full reinstall
[0:16] <mru> I don't do it even then
[0:16] <GriffenJBS> little questions don't bother me, not listening to the answers pisses me off to no end
[0:16] <Neutron5> and they get their files off the PC first
[0:16] <phire> I included a copy of it in my resignation letter
[0:16] <IT_Sean> lol
[0:17] <Neutron5> people think "this is the internet" http://sarugu.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/797px-spyware_infestation.png and expect me to fix it..
[0:17] <GriffenJBS> I've handed that out with my phone number written beside the "Ask for help" box
[0:18] <IT_Sean> http://www.zaccohn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/the-internet-a-series-of-tubes.jpg
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[0:18] <mru> Neutron5: nice pic
[0:19] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[0:19] <mru> also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg
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[0:21] <Neutron5> mru: :)
[0:22] <mru> that whole episode is worth watching
[0:25] <mranostay> mru: i stopped those calls with charging an obscene rate for IT stuff :)
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[0:28] <dwarder> can i make a compote from raspberrypi?
[0:28] <mranostay> Neutron5: btw those are in parallel not series
[0:28] <GriffenJBS> compote?
[0:28] <Neutron5> mranostay: what is?
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[0:29] <coil> did
[0:29] <mranostay> er sorry IT_Sean
[0:29] <Neutron5> the polyfuses are in series and the zeners in parallel
[0:29] <IT_Sean> ... ?
[0:29] <mranostay> IT_Sean: series of tubes :)
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, hi...
[0:30] <dwarder> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/compote
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> right. NES controller to the Raspberry Pi: Done.
[0:30] <dwarder> it was a joke =)
[0:30] <dennistlg> gordonDrogon wait have to activate cam
[0:30] <bertrik> gordonDrogon, nice
[0:30] <dennistlg> cant write when cam is on
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> will take photos, etc. tomorow.
[0:31] <GriffenJBS> lol, duh, I thought you mistyped com port
[0:32] <dennistlg> gordonDrogon give it a go
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[0:33] <gordonDrogon> don'tknow where te webcam is though..
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[0:35] <dennistlg> its in the frame under the gpio control frame
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[0:38] <dwarder> guys where can i buy rPi for 35$ and not 60$?
[0:39] <mranostay> 60$?
[0:39] <plugwash> dwarder what country are you in?
[0:39] <plugwash> though afaict you can't get it actually for the nominal price anywhere :(
[0:40] <gordonDrogon> zed time
[0:40] <chithead> you pay 35$ to the foundation, all other money goes to the shipping company or your government
[0:40] <dwarder> here http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs it says: You can buy the Raspberry Pi through Premier Farnell/Element 14 and RS Components. Both distributors sell all over the world. and on both sites it is 60$
[0:41] <dennistlg> think you should reload the page and look at the bottom @ gordonDrogon
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[0:41] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, A-Ha!
[0:41] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, excellent :)
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[0:42] <gordonDrogon> right. really off t obed now :)
[0:43] <dennistlg> ;-)
[0:43] <dennistlg> will use it later for home automation i think
[0:44] <dennistlg> and the secound pi when he arrive is for the car
[0:44] <dennistlg> so long i have to play with pi 1 try to get dsi runing
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[0:46] <f8ba208e18> hi!
[0:48] <f8ba208e18> finally got the pi, now the wait for the SD card :(...
[0:50] <techsurvivor> how can you stand to wait? still the card from other divece that you have :)
[0:50] <dennistlg> do you have a card reader and a old 2gig card?
[0:50] <f8ba208e18> I can't steal the card from other devices because I do not own any :(
[0:50] <chithead> don't you have a digital camera or so
[0:50] <dennistlg> ok
[0:50] <f8ba208e18> no I only own a phone, I'm a student
[0:51] <f8ba208e18> as for the card reader... I did not think of that(somehow)
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[0:51] <techsurvivor> you'll need something that can read/write sd card
[0:51] <f8ba208e18> I just remembered I have an old MP3 player that supports SD cards, reckon I will be able to use that as a reader?
[0:51] <techsurvivor> unless you bought a preformatted card
[0:52] <f8ba208e18> or even perhaps my parent's camera..?
[0:52] <f8ba208e18> or do I need an actual reader
[0:52] <techsurvivor> you don't need a reader as much as a writer
[0:53] <f8ba208e18> well, do you reckon these will work?
[0:53] <techsurvivor> no
[0:53] <f8ba208e18> damn. how so?
[0:53] <techsurvivor> because you need something that allows raw access to that as a drive
[0:53] <techsurvivor> those just let you see the file contents on the sd card
[0:53] <f8ba208e18> ahh the disapointment
[0:54] <f8ba208e18> well, I can write to it, I think
[0:54] <techsurvivor> i mean you can try, but I kind of doubt it
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[0:54] <techsurvivor> it never hurts to try
[0:54] <f8ba208e18> I'll go fetch it and a 50mb SD card I own
[0:54] <techsurvivor> 50mb is too small
[0:54] <f8ba208e18> otherwise I guess I can go buy one from futureshop/bestbuy?
[0:54] <techsurvivor> you need at least 2 GB
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[0:54] <f8ba208e18> I know, just for the sake of debugging, techsurvivor
[0:54] <f8ba208e18> I just want to see if I can write files to it.
[0:54] <ZenoArrow> Hi. I'm trying to set up SSH to a RasPi, but haven't been 100% successful. The issue I'm having is connecting to the SSH server through a router. I've opened the port up and assigned it to the Pi, and port check tools tell me port 22 is open, so why do I get connection timeouts every time I try to connect to it, any ideas what I can try to diagnose and fix this issue?
[0:54] <techsurvivor> ah yeah, you can try to dd something to it
[0:55] <techsurvivor> you sure you assigned the port to the correct ip, 100% sure? can you ping that ip?
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[0:57] <techsurvivor> it's a lot easier if you have the rpi on a monitor to see what's going on from both ends too, of course
[0:57] <f8ba208e18> ah damn it, this SD card is 1gb... close :(
[0:57] <techsurvivor> git status
[0:57] <ZenoArrow> techsurvivor, the port is assigned to the device listed as raspberrypi on the router. I can't ping the IP address, but that doesn't mean it's not accepting SSH traffic.
[0:57] <techsurvivor> oops wrong window heh
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[0:58] <techsurvivor> i don't know I can always ping my rpi, unless you're blocking ping packets I don't see why you couldn't ping it, there is no firewall by default on the rpi
[0:58] <ZenoArrow> I have connected to the RPi over my local network, so I have terminal access here (it's terminal access outside the home network that I'm working on). Any commands I could issue that might help me find the issue?
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[0:59] <techsurvivor> ah... yeah well ping wouldn't work in that case lol, sorry I assume you were on a LAN
[1:00] <ZenoArrow> I am on a LAN, but I'm trying to access the RPi from outside the LAN too (e.g. via my mobile phone).
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[1:01] <techsurvivor> i don't know port forwarding should work *shrug* it works for me. as in i just set the port/ip and it worked, i use connectbot from my android phone
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[1:02] <techsurvivor> i just have a cheapo cisco home router though, so it's dead simple
[1:02] <techsurvivor> you can connect to ssh on the local network though, at least, right?
[1:03] <mongrelion> booyaa: thanks, I'm gonna check it out right now.
[1:04] <ZenoArrow> I've just realised I made a schoolboy error, I was trying to use my phone to connect to the external IP address of my home network, but I was using WiFi on the phone instead of 3G (i.e. it was already on the home network!). Seems to work now I've switched it to 3G. Thanks for your support techsurvivor. :-)
[1:04] <mongrelion> won't unzip
[1:04] <mru> shouldn't you still have been able to access the external IP?
[1:05] <techsurvivor> yeah, usually the port forwarding stuff only has like 2 steps heh, so usually best to go back to assume you "know nothing" and do it from the beginning and usually usually figure out why
[1:06] <ZenoArrow> mru, probably, but as long as it's working now I don't really mind!
[1:06] <mru> my wireless is actually outside the firewall
[1:06] <mru> call me paranoid
[1:07] <mongrelion> booyaa: won't unzip your file :/ may I be missing some unarchiving libs?
[1:07] <ZenoArrow> What do you mean that your wireless is outside the firewall?
[1:08] <mru> I mean there's a firewall between my wireless access point and my internal network
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[1:08] <mru> things connected to the wifi are outside the firewall
[1:08] <ZenoArrow> mongrelion, generally when I have problems opening zip files it means the file was corrupted during download, would recommend trying to download the file again.
[1:08] <f8ba208e18> are there any images for rpi that will function on a 900mb sd card?
[1:09] <ZenoArrow> mru, isn't that how all home routers are set up anyway?
[1:09] <mru> I'm not using one of those
[1:09] <mru> and those I've seen do not work that way
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[1:10] <mongrelion> ZenoArrow: :okay:
[1:12] <mongrelion> ZenoArrow: right, I was trying to unzip an html file :/ dropbox didn't give me the proper content.
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[1:12] <dennistlg> anyone have owncloud on pi?
[1:13] <ZenoArrow> mru, what experience have you had with home routers? Every home router I've seen blocks all ports except for 80 (by default at least, you can enable more), in other words they have firewalls built in. Furthermore, on some devices you can set up different levels of access (e.g. public wifi, private wifi) with different firewall rules. Anyway, what are you using?
[1:13] <dennistlg> my feeling is it is very slow. and i cant upload big files. :-(
[1:14] <mru> ZenoArrow: the ones I've used didn't separate the wireless network from the wired ports
[1:14] <ZenoArrow> mru, ah, now I see what you're getting at.
[1:14] <mru> only a firewall between the dsl and the ethernet/wifi
[1:14] <mru> maybe there are more sophisticated ones
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[1:15] <plugwash> at least the home routers i've seen allow everything outbound but nothing inbound by default
[1:15] <plugwash> and make no distinction between wi-fi and lan side ethernet
[1:16] <plugwash> (the two are just bridged into a single LAN)
[1:16] <mru> some allow restricting the admin interface to wired ports
[1:16] <mru> but that's as far as I've seen them go
[1:16] <techsurvivor> hmmm mine seperates lan and wan i think... by default everything local is not firewalled, just things coming in from my cable connection are firewalled
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[1:16] <mru> techsurvivor: yes, that's normal
[1:17] <mru> does it also have wireless?
[1:17] <techsurvivor> yeah, those are considered lan
[1:17] <techsurvivor> once you make it past authentication
[1:17] <mru> yeah, obviously
[1:17] <mru> but I don't put too much faith in that security
[1:18] <mru> wpa2 may still be considered secure, but not if the implementation is buggy
[1:18] <techsurvivor> if they can make it past wpa2 then I guess they have me :)
[1:18] <mru> with my setup that would give you access to the public internet, nothing else
[1:18] <ZenoArrow> Depends on what you want to spend, but there are certainly some very capable home routers that can handle the wired ports differently from the wireless connections, e.g. http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/vigor2850.html
[1:18] <techsurvivor> however most of the people within wireless range are over 50 and boring
[1:19] <raspbelion> 18:17:03 up 2 days, 4:31, 1 user, load average: 0.24, 0.71, 0.47
[1:19] <raspbelion> :D
[1:19] <techsurvivor> let them have access to upsidedown-ter-net
[1:20] <mru> can't be bothered
[1:20] <mru> I don't expect anyone to actually get there
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[1:20] <plugwash> ZenoArrow, note that draytek themselves consider that an SMB product not a home product...
[1:21] <mru> you can also do like me and use a linux box with a few network interfaces
[1:21] <ZenoArrow> plugwash, perhaps I consider it a home router because a friend of mine has one.
[1:21] <ZenoArrow> They're a little pricier than your usual box, but certainly not extortionate.
[1:21] <techsurvivor> linux box pulls too much power for someone with my simple needs heh
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[1:22] <plugwash> note that your average home router IS a linux box
[1:22] <techsurvivor> i'm talkign about using a full pc, not a 4x6" router
[1:23] <techsurvivor> just the power difference is enormous
[1:23] <plugwash> which means that if you reflash them they can do a lot more than what the vendors intended them to do
[1:24] <mru> I'm using a small pc with a mobile core2
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[1:25] <ZenoArrow> techsurvivor, you could always use something like openwrt, dd-wrt, tomato, etc... if you wanted something more flexible but still with low power draw.
[1:25] <techsurvivor> i gave $30 for this router and all i had to do was plug it in and spend 5 minutes setting it up, heh. I guess i'm not that into networking, but good point. I have a router with ddwrt and I got tired of messing with it, so when I upgraded to wireless N it went in a box somewhere :)
[1:26] <techsurvivor> i like hacking on hardware more than routing tables ;) .
[1:26] <dennistlg> using ddwrt or open wrt and all is ok
[1:27] <dwarder> how much did you pay to buy raspberrypi?
[1:27] <mru> my routing is not particularly advanced, but a bit more than the average home dsl/wireless router can manage
[1:27] <techsurvivor> $35
[1:27] <dwarder> techsurvivor: where?
[1:28] <techsurvivor> element 14
[1:28] <techsurvivor> i bought 3 from them
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[1:29] <f8ba208e18> are there any images for rpi that will function on a 900mb sd card or is it a hardware requirement?
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[1:29] <dwarder> techsurvivor: what country
[1:29] <techsurvivor> usa
[1:30] <techsurvivor> i don't know if they ship international or not, or maybe they have a presence in europe? not sure
[1:30] <dwarder> techsurvivor: they give another price
[1:30] <dwarder> techsurvivor: for other countries
[1:30] <techsurvivor> really ? :(
[1:30] <plugwash> f8ba208e18, I don't think there are any hardware limitations on SD card size at the low end but I dunno if anyone has prepared an image that small
[1:31] <plugwash> dwarder, it would help people to help you if we knew where you were
[1:31] <plugwash> without that we can't really provide any meaningful information
[1:31] <invzim> I paid 203NOK+shipping+tax from farnell - worked out to be 360 something NOK
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[1:34] <dwarder> plugwash why did you leave?
[1:34] <dwarder> i'm in russia
[1:34] <techsurvivor> that's probably hard for him to answer since he's gone
[1:34] <techsurvivor> can't you order from farnell?
[1:34] <techsurvivor> or are they charging extra?
[1:35] <dwarder> techsurvivor: i can but it will cost me 60$
[1:36] <dwarder> per unit
[1:36] <techsurvivor> does that include shipping and taxes?
[1:37] <dwarder> i guess
[1:37] <techsurvivor> i had to pay probably $43 or 44 with shipping and taxes here, so you'renot paying that much more :)
[1:37] <dennistlg> i living in germany have ordered from farnell coast 32,21? including tax and shipping from uk
[1:38] <techsurvivor> that's euros though, right?
[1:38] <dennistlg> euros yes
[1:39] <chickey999> hi guys any tips for setting up distcc
[1:39] <dennistlg> dwarder you looked @ebay?
[1:40] <dwarder> dennistlg: yeah, it is much pricier
[1:40] <mongrelion> booyaa: running sudo make install.
[1:42] <dwarder> dennistlg: check this out http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-Model-B-NEW-with-installed-os-onSD-card-power-supply-/271029428739?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item3f1a9ce203#ht_500wt_1235
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[1:47] <f8ba208e18> why would one want that
[1:47] <f8ba208e18> that's a crazy profit
[1:47] <f8ba208e18> for the seller (obviously)
[1:47] <IT_Sean> O_O
[1:47] <IT_Sean> You would have to be properly retarded to buy a raspi at that price today
[1:47] <dwarder> haha
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[1:48] <chickey999> there have been crazier profits
[1:50] <f8ba208e18> sadly, I believe that
[1:50] <chickey999> If people are willing to pay it though
[1:51] <mru> wonder how much my limited edition vintage beagleboards would fetch
[1:51] <mru> (aka broken prototypes)
[1:52] <hotwings> buy it now rpi for $200usd?! WOW
[1:52] <hotwings> ill gladly sell my rpi for $200
[1:53] <mru> hurry and get it, you could be the proud owner of the most expensive rpi ever sold
[1:53] <dwarder> :)
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[1:53] <hotwings> maybe ill post one for $99/$199.. you know, compeition
[1:54] <dwarder> or you can add a gift
[1:54] <dwarder> a candy
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[1:54] <hotwings> ill throw in the $12 5 port usb hub i bought in as a bonus
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[1:55] * IT_Sean lists a "One of a kind" and "entirely unique" lump of dog mess on ebay for an insane sum of money and waits for some idiot to buy it
[1:55] <mru> you could throw in a free rpi and still make a decent profit
[1:56] <mru> IT_Sean: does it look a bit like jesus or che guevara?
[1:56] <IT_Sean> It looks a little bit like the Peter from Family Guy if you sort of squint a bit.
[1:56] <miceiken> so do you guys have any idea where I can get a cheap casing?
[1:57] <chithead> some people built cases out of lego
[1:57] <miceiken> yeah I saw, I was thinking more professional
[1:58] <miceiken> I like the one that the resellers now seem to stock
[1:58] <miceiken> but says 18 weeks delivery
[1:58] <hotwings> lol mru
[1:58] <mru> find a smoker and get an empty cigarette box
[1:58] <hotwings> rpi $200, plus free bonus rpi if you order now!
[1:58] <chithead> apart from that, the pibow case seems to be all the rage now
[1:59] <IT_Sean> as i said, you'd have to be shot bus dumb to pay $200 for a raspi now.
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[1:59] <IT_Sean> *short
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[1:59] <miceiken> I dont like that one chithead
[1:59] <Tenchworks> ?
[1:59] <Tenchworks> er
[1:59] <Tenchworks> pibow?
[1:59] <miceiken> http://pibow.com/
[1:59] <dwarder> miceiken: create a 3d printer with rpi and create your own unique one :)
[1:59] <mru> IT_Sean: you'd have to be missing a major part of your brain to _ever_ pay that much
[1:59] <IT_Sean> Aye
[2:00] <miceiken> http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/product/rs/raspberry-pi-type-b-case-black/caseblk.aspx this one looks great
[2:00] <Tenchworks> miceiken, I got one of these: http://builttospecstore.storenvy.com/products/404262-raspberry-pi-enclosure-kit
[2:00] <dwarder> miceiken: link is for authenticated users
[2:00] <chithead> I don't trust cases with few holes to keep the rpi from becoming too hot
[2:01] <nid0> it wont overheat
[2:01] <miceiken> yeah that one looks good Tenchworks
[2:01] <miceiken> dwarder?
[2:01] <techsurvivor> the rpi just doesn't ever get that hot, i let it run 8 hours at 100% and the hotest it got was 44C just a little below the cpu
[2:01] <dwarder> miceiken: can't see your case, redirects to main page
[2:02] <miceiken> oO
[2:02] <hotwings> nice rainbow case there.. is that a gay pride thing or?
[2:02] <nid0> click continue to enter the site then open his link again
[2:02] <miceiken> well you should find it easily
[2:02] <miceiken> http://media2.rsdelivers.cataloguesolutions.com/LargeProductImages/RCase-BLK-01.jpg <- dwarder
[2:02] <miceiken> hotwings, my thoughts exactly
[2:02] <hotwings> techsurvivor - let it do 1080p for 8 hours and it will probably be hotter than 44C?
[2:02] <miceiken> who does 1080p for 8 hours
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[2:03] <dwarder> miceiken: i likes what Tenchworks pasted
[2:03] <dwarder> like*
[2:03] <techsurvivor> didnt do gpu stuff, just cpu, I suppose i could though
[2:03] <hotwings> http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/product/rs/raspberry-pi-type-b-case-clear/caseclr.aspx would suit me fine
[2:03] <techsurvivor> maybe I'll run that tonight when I go to sleep
[2:03] <miceiken> yeah dwarder me too
[2:03] <Tenchworks> I also ordered a red and white one from https://www.modmypi.com/ but still waiting for it to come in
[2:03] <hotwings> miceiken - people doing a harry potter marathon? or lord of the rings
[2:03] <hotwings> basically nerds
[2:03] <techsurvivor> it's not in a box though
[2:03] <miceiken> is raspbmc the best solution for media center?
[2:03] <techsurvivor> it should be able to run 1080p indefinitely
[2:04] <techsurvivor> i hope there is an auto reset temp diode in there somewhere :)
[2:04] <Tenchworks> figured the built to spec one will stay on my desk while the mod my pi one will be the one to take a beating going back and forth from home to my local hackerspace
[2:04] <hotwings> i dont think you can overheat an rpi even with 1080p running nonstop. but i dont know that as fact
[2:05] <Tenchworks> I haven't heard of anyone having issue do to high temps
[2:05] <hotwings> i still havent bought any cases.. was waiting for a good selection of injection molded.. no sucky 3d printed ones for me
[2:05] <techsurvivor> i haven't either
[2:05] <techsurvivor> are people actually using 3d printers? that sounds expensive
[2:06] <Tenchworks> keep in mind it basically has a cellphone chip in it, and those need to survive a large range of temps
[2:06] <techsurvivor> (to mass produce anything)
[2:06] <hotwings> there was a guy in here for a while trying to peddle cases made with his homemade 3d printer
[2:07] <techsurvivor> ah didn't know that, those are pretty slow, seems like the material and time would make it not worth it, i've watch them print with mendels and stuff and it's just a slow process
[2:07] <hotwings> iirc his rpi cases took 1hr+. cost was... $15? something like that
[2:07] <techsurvivor> anyway i should make some kind of case from acrylic that I have laying around the shop
[2:07] <Tenchworks> there are a few postings online of people putting heatsinks to the main chips in the pi (processor, usb controller, and i think the power regulator) but not sure if the temperature drop id worth the effort
[2:08] <hotwings> maybe if you live in the arizona desert :)
[2:08] <techsurvivor> RMA from Death Valley or The Sahara Desert
[2:08] <hotwings> honestly, its probably just guys wanting to tinker with their new toy. which is totally fine
[2:08] <chithead> the broadcom chip seems more intended for tv set-top-boxes rather than cellphones
[2:09] <mru> as long as the temperature stays within the rated range, there's nothing to worry about
[2:09] <mru> most chips have a Tjmax of 105C
[2:10] <hotwings> broadcom is big in the stb world so thats not surprising
[2:10] <Tenchworks> heh, I always thought it was more cellphone based but then the 2 ribbon connectors kind've anchored taht thought in my mind
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[2:19] <dwarder> guys what are you using rapberrypi for?
[2:19] <Sp0tter> pretty sure it's only useful for a media player
[2:20] * Sp0tter ducks
[2:20] <dwarder> :)
[2:20] * IT_Sean lighs Sp0tter on fire
[2:21] * mru thinks Sp0tter has a point
[2:21] <dwarder> so, besides media player? NAS? what else?
[2:21] <mru> it's essentially a gpu/vpu with an arm micro bolted on
[2:21] <miceiken> anyone out there with raspbmc who might be of assistance to me?
[2:21] <mru> no good as nas
[2:21] <Sp0tter> well that is what 90% of everyone or more is doing with it.. other than just playing.. because its neat..
[2:22] <techsurvivor> i used it as a security camera for a couple days heh
[2:22] <nid0> they make fairly useful small nagios monitoring hosts
[2:22] <Sp0tter> yea, for the price though.. you can get a motorized pan/tilt ip camera for $58 on sale
[2:22] <chithead> the usb network chip on the raspberry pi frequently causes problems under load
[2:22] <dwarder> techsurvivor: it is not good for transcoding right?
[2:23] <techsurvivor> transcoding? probably not
[2:23] <techsurvivor> unless you enjoy waiting
[2:23] <nid0> friend of mine manages a few small networks for hotels, hooking up a pi + nagios to each is looking like a good way of monitoring them all, and super cheap
[2:23] <dwarder> lol
[2:23] <phire> I think its the usb driver, not the network chip which is having issues
[2:23] <chithead> however it is very useful as a cheap device with gpio capability
[2:23] <zgreg> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commit/3bf71e429299611f5e671a04026cd4d19afbb95b
[2:23] <zgreg> additional codecs?
[2:23] <techsurvivor> it's good for learning about linux as well
[2:23] <zgreg> vp8 maybe?
[2:24] <chithead> giben the age of the broadcom soc, vp8 seems very unlikely
[2:24] <chithead> given*
[2:24] <techsurvivor> but most of us probably already know a little about that. and also spi and i2c usage on linux
[2:24] <techsurvivor> that's my next foray on it, i do have one as a media player
[2:24] <Sp0tter> <techsurvivor+> it's good for learning about linux as well
[2:24] <Sp0tter> not really...
[2:25] <Sp0tter> better off using virtualbox in whatever os you normally use
[2:25] <techsurvivor> why not, its $35 and uses little power
[2:25] <Sp0tter> then you dont have to use a kvm switch or share peripherials
[2:25] <nid0> why would you have to do that with a pi?
[2:25] <Sp0tter> its not really $35... mine was $42 shipped.. then you need power, input devices, and sd card.. which people may or may not have
[2:25] <techsurvivor> VM's are overrated, i like hardware in my hands that I can play with a VM and oscope and logic analyzer
[2:25] <techsurvivor> i had all those already
[2:26] <Sp0tter> techsurvivor: sure.. it is great as a toy.. the pi is neat
[2:26] <techsurvivor> it's not for everyone
[2:26] <Sp0tter> but i dont think its "for learning linux" for people who can afford a real computer..
[2:26] <nid0> RS will sell a pi + sd card + power + case shipped for less than ??50, even all-in thats still perfectly cheap
[2:26] <techsurvivor> yep i agree with you on that, but if you want to play with an embedded system that runs linux you won't find much cheaper or with a bigger community to help you out
[2:26] <dwarder> i have this thing http://liliputing.com/2012/06/arch-linux-on-a-66-wm8650-netbook.html
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[2:27] <dwarder> got debian on it
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[2:27] <miceiken> how come the raspberry can't "reboot"?
[2:27] <dwarder> got it for 50 euro or so
[2:27] <Sp0tter> dwarder: hehe i use Arch on all my computers except the fileserver :)
[2:28] <GriffenJBS> miceiken: why can't it?
[2:28] <hotwings> nothing wrong with using an rpi for a media player.. nothing wrong with using it for anything
[2:28] <dwarder> Sp0tter: currently i have no time to play with it, so i just downloaded a debian sd card image and put on it
[2:28] * mru uses it to scrape ice off the windscreen in the mornings
[2:29] <hotwings> vp8.. bleh
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[2:30] <Sp0tter> hotwings: nobody said there was anything wrong with using it for anything.. i was just saying its primary function is running XBMC ... and if you "get a pi to learn linux".. that is pretty much just lying to yourself hehe.. more like making an excuse to get a neat toy.. which is also fine
[2:30] <dwarder> mru: what program do you use to load cpu so that rpi is hot and it is better to do the scraping =)
[2:30] <Sp0tter> really learning linux on a pi would suck... it took me 12 hours to compile xbmc :)
[2:30] <hotwings> oh yeah, i agree there
[2:30] <mru> dwarder: that was actually a complete fabrication
[2:30] <mru> it's "summer" here, and I don't even own a car
[2:31] <dwarder> mru: but you own the rpi so it is not a complete fabrication =)
[2:31] <techsurvivor> i've cross compiled everything, i don't know many people who mess with embedded linux who compile on the actual target system
[2:31] <GriffenJBS> Sp0tter: works great for that as well, most distros and people don't compile, and it make it simple to learn the CLI/GUI before getting serious
[2:32] <Sp0tter> GriffenJBS: so does a $2 a month virtual machine
[2:32] <mru> dwarder: no, not that either :)
[2:32] <hotwings> rpi is a neat little device to play with but its certainly no replacement for a desktop, laptop, netbook, game console, smartphone, or anything else
[2:32] <Sp0tter> vps i mean
[2:32] <chithead> some stuff like perl can cause difficulties in cross compiling
[2:32] <techsurvivor> can you use spi subsystem (or i2c or gpio) on a VM?
[2:32] <GriffenJBS> Sp0tter: my 9 yo can take his pi with him, the $2/month still needs a system to run on
[2:33] <chithead> rpi is an educational tool, not a replacement of any existing device
[2:33] <GriffenJBS> if someone is serious, they'll get a better toy to playwith
[2:33] <mru> the rpi is a bit locked down to be a good educational device
[2:33] <hotwings> rpi is whatever you make it
[2:33] <techsurvivor> Linux is a vast topic, so of course the pi nor a VM can cover all the bases, it depends on what you want to use it for. but to make blanket statements that the rpi is useless except for a media player is disenginuous
[2:33] <GriffenJBS> chithead: I know lots of people replacing micro and mini atx systems with the pi, mostly remote use
[2:33] <chithead> the rpi is for teaching coding, and for this it is totally fine. despite its very closed nature
[2:34] <GriffenJBS> for the love of God don't try to replace your desktop with a pi
[2:34] <mru> any pc is fine for teaching high-level coding
[2:34] <techsurvivor> heh nope. I like my desktops :)
[2:34] <GriffenJBS> 'very closed nature'? are you serious?
[2:34] <chithead> the rpi is more closed than your average pc
[2:34] <mru> GriffenJBS: sounds accurate to me
[2:34] <Sp0tter> techsurvivor: who said it was useless except for a media player :) i just said there are much better options for learning linux... that $65 netbook that was linked by dwarder looks like one of them
[2:35] <hotwings> if mpeg2 decoding ever becomes available for rpi, it could be a decent little htpc
[2:35] <GriffenJBS> chithead: for anything 90% of programmers do they're not touching hardware
[2:35] <techsurvivor> can you get to spi, i2c, or gpio on that netbook?
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[2:35] <GriffenJBS> so how does it matter?
[2:35] <chithead> GriffenJBS: that is why the rpi is fine for teaching someone how to code
[2:35] <Sp0tter> why on earth would anyone who can afford a real computer want to "learn coding" on a pi? i think its for teaching coding to poor kids.... which is not really the audience of this chat room
[2:36] <GriffenJBS> Sp0tter: or rich kids with a disposible PC
[2:36] <hotwings> coding is pretty vague as well.. coding what, and in what language?
[2:36] <techsurvivor> my point was it's an embedded system for teaching programming, but it's just fine if you want to teach something higher level on it. you aren't going to be compiling open office your first time in front of a computer
[2:36] <Sp0tter> hotwings: yea.. that is a great point
[2:36] <GriffenJBS> techsurvivor: exactly
[2:36] <chithead> in old times it was BASIC. now python is the new BASIC
[2:36] <Sp0tter> hotwings: they consider python to be "learning programming" .. but any compiled language is going to be even worse pain using a pi for
[2:37] <techsurvivor> compiling c on rpi is no harder than in standard linux
[2:37] <Sp0tter> techsurvivor: it takes longer
[2:37] <hotwings> when i hear people say "learn programming" i automatically think c or some variant.. not python
[2:37] <[SLB]> i have resized the ext partition down to 3gb, so now the card has the fat and the ext partition for a total of about 3gb, plus about 4gb free. how do i use dd to copy from the disk node only these 2 partitions?
[2:37] <techsurvivor> for a beginner? what is 2 seconds longer.
[2:37] <chithead> but the language is not important. they could use lua or forth or haskell
[2:37] <Sp0tter> hotwings: i'm the same way
[2:37] <mru> you say it's slow, huh?
[2:37] <GriffenJBS> use javascript, works from the CLI as well as browser, a "toy language" you can get real world use from
[2:37] <mru> I learned programming on a 12MHz 80286
[2:38] <Sp0tter> chithead: i disagree completey.. language is very important...
[2:38] <Sp0tter> if you don't understand memory management.. yuo aren't programming.. Sp0tter's First Law
[2:38] <hotwings> language is certainly a factor
[2:38] <techsurvivor> javascript or python make good first languages, c maybe not so much :)
[2:38] <Sp0tter> you are scripting :)
[2:38] <mru> what Sp0tter said
[2:38] <dwarder> what about C? :)
[2:38] <techsurvivor> i don't think c is a good first language
[2:39] <chithead> if you think that memory management is important, then yes, the choice of languages will be limited
[2:39] <mru> I think assembly is a good first language
[2:39] <hotwings> if you want to learn bash, rpi @ $35 aint bad :)
[2:39] * GriffenJBS thinks of all the times he's heard HTML called a "programming language"
[2:39] <Sp0tter> techsurvivor: i agree with you for younger people.. C just doesn't give the visable results to keep them interested
[2:39] <mru> sure as hell did for me
[2:39] <techsurvivor> i think things should be learned top down, not bottom up. I know lots of great java programmers who barely know what L1 and L2 cache are, but that doesn't keep them from doing great apps in java
[2:40] <Sp0tter> hotwings: if you want to learn bash.. you can run bash in windows with cygwin, use a vm, use a FREE linux shell, etc.. :)
[2:40] <mru> techsurvivor: it probably does keep them from doing efficient apps
[2:40] <mru> well, java does that too
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[2:40] <Sp0tter> techsurvivor: all c++ programmers can program in python... the reverse is not true
[2:40] <techsurvivor> that's probably true, c++ programmers are a special breed if they're any good
[2:41] <chithead> and all c programmers in c++?
[2:41] <mru> the bad ones are a _very_ special breed
[2:41] <techsurvivor> not everyone is linus torvalds or bjarne though
[2:41] <techsurvivor> heh
[2:41] <Sp0tter> chithead: i think so, but i left that out because i can imagine some people think OOP is difficult to learn or something...
[2:41] <youlysses> techsurvivor: They are? They teach C++ to everyone (brogrammers included) in Uni.
[2:42] <techsurvivor> not around here
[2:42] <Sp0tter> if you undrestand the foundation.. you can do anything.. with a book and a weekend
[2:42] <youlysses> techsurvivor: Or RMS.
[2:42] <chithead> I guess if a c programmer tried to program in c++, the result would be similar to a c++ programmer trying to program in python
[2:42] <hotwings> yup Sp0tter
[2:42] <techsurvivor> and I said "good c++" ... my c++ is lousy lol
[2:42] <Sp0tter> youlysses: the college that i teach at switched to java for everything but the first intro CS class
[2:43] <techsurvivor> almost all USA colleges teach java from the start now
[2:43] <Sp0tter> techsurvivor: hehe i hear that.. when i say c++, i mean c with classes :)
[2:43] <techsurvivor> c++ in some upper level classes
[2:43] <youlysses> Sp0tter: Are you in the States? They teach Java one semester, C++ the other. (Atleast all I've seen)
[2:43] <mru> if a c programmer tries to program in c++, it ends up as c with curses
[2:43] <techsurvivor> i really want to learn lambdas and some of the new stuff in c++-2011
[2:44] <Sp0tter> youlysses: yea, the states, they do basic variables and functions in C here then java for everything else... when i was in school it was all in c/c++
[2:44] <Sp0tter> techsurvivor: it's all the rave apparnetly.. people who use anon functions and closures etc.. seem to love it.. i think it is more preference that any great advantage...
[2:45] <Sp0tter> i had to do a lisp class a long time ago.. havent messed with lambdas sense
[2:45] <Sp0tter> since
[2:46] <miceiken> GriffenJBS when i do a 'reboot now' it shuts down, but never starts up again
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[2:46] <chithead> many cs intro classes start with a functional language
[2:46] <Sp0tter> which i think is annoying
[2:47] <plugwash> I can see some merit to that if it's a true CS program
[2:47] <chithead> the reasoning is often that the teachers want a level playing field between those who can already code and those who are beginners
[2:47] <GriffenJBS> miceiken: what distro?
[2:47] <plugwash> rather than a computer engineering or so program
[2:47] <miceiken> raspbmc, so im guessing debian
[2:48] <GriffenJBS> miceiken: can't help you there, sorry, but I know it works in rasbian
[2:48] <Sp0tter> in my opinion raspbmc is a mess
[2:48] <plugwash> in a computer engineering program there should be a focus on imperitive languages because that is what everyone in the real world uses but pure CS is more about the theory and introducing people early to the idea that there are other types of programming language is probablly not a bad thing
[2:48] <Sp0tter> i'm just going to run raspbian, with xbmc
[2:49] <hotwings> Sp0tter - i tried raspbmc here as well a while back. was, ..... well lets just say it was very obviously not ready for prime time
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[2:49] <hotwings> kinda disappointing its still in that state.. at least from the sound of it
[2:50] <Sp0tter> hotwings: it is a... huge mess... that may work good enough for people using it the exact way as the author is
[2:51] <Sp0tter> but at least we know xbmc does run usably on the pi.. so eventually the stuff will all be smooth
[2:51] <markbook> Sp0tter: I've tried OpenELEC, RaspBMC and Raspbian with a self-built xbmc and the last is the only one that really worked well.
[2:52] <Sp0tter> markbook: i have it compiling now.. but i think i'm going to setup a vm to compile on my desktop.. i can't have these 12 hour compile times going on hehe
[2:52] <markbook> heh on the pi , who cares? What else does it have to do?
[2:53] <Sp0tter> markbook: well i dont like waiting :)
[2:53] <Sp0tter> i have 2 pies.. one for me to play with.. and one for my wife to use to watch 90210
[2:53] <markbook> he
[2:53] <Sp0tter> i did an auto update on raspmc that broke the second use mentioned above
[2:53] <Sp0tter> and the fallout was painful :)
[2:54] <markbook> I don't have my family play with things I tinker with
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[2:54] <markbook> it's best for my marriage for them to use stock or set-top.
[2:55] <Sp0tter> hehe
[2:55] <plugwash> mmm, I dread to thing what compiling big apps on a Pi would be like
[2:55] <plugwash> it's bad enough on IMX boards with four times the ram
[2:57] <Sp0tter> for heat i got http://www.ebay.com/itm/Copper-Heat-Sink-For-DDR-DDR2-DDR3-RAM-Memory-Cooler-/110703365805?pt=US_Memory_Chipset_Cooling&hash=item19c66f4ead which works great so far i think
[2:57] <Sp0tter> i only paid $4 shipped for them though
[2:58] <mru> plugwash: you'd be a fool to compile things on the pi if you have a faster machine around
[2:58] <Tachyon`> I've never seen any evidence ram on desktop PCs requires additional cooling
[2:58] <Tachyon`> the pi certainly doesn't
[2:59] <Sp0tter> Tachyon`: its for the soc
[2:59] <Tachyon`> it's an ARM chip, not an intel space heater
[2:59] <Sp0tter> i'm running it at 900 but expect to go higher
[2:59] <mru> Tachyon`: if you're overclocking pc ram, it can need extra cooling
[2:59] <Tachyon`> what? if you're using your hardware in a way it wasn't designed for it might need special measures?
[2:59] <mru> but if you're doing that, you're buying ram with much larger heatsinks already on it
[3:00] <Sp0tter> yea i cant speak to the original purpose of that item... i just know it rocks for my pi
[3:00] <Tachyon`> it does no harm to add a heatsink
[3:00] <Tachyon`> I just don't think it makes any difference at all
[3:00] <mru> personally, I underclock my ram
[3:00] <Sp0tter> Tachyon`: physics disagrees! :)
[3:01] <Tachyon`> well, yes, I'll give you that
[3:01] <mru> dodgy consumer-grade stuff won't run stable at rated speed
[3:01] <Tachyon`> but I mean it makes no difference to the operation of the system
[3:01] <Sp0tter> Tachyon`: i guess you haven't overheated your pi yet
[3:01] <Tachyon`> ahh, someone in here might know
[3:01] <Sp0tter> then i suggest you aren't doing it right :)
[3:01] <Tachyon`> what large hard disks, 1.5TB-3TB are actually reliable
[3:01] <Tachyon`> I need new ones for my NAS
[3:01] <mru> none
[3:01] * Sp0tter agrees with mru
[3:02] <Tachyon`> I've had serious problems with samsung and seagate drives recently
[3:02] <Sp0tter> buy cheapest ones and use double parity raid
[3:02] <Tachyon`> all 4 750GB drives my NAS came with have now failed
[3:02] <mru> raid and regular backups is the only way to go
[3:02] <Sp0tter> i'm using 1.5 wd green and then seagate drives for my fileserver
[3:02] <Tachyon`> well, it can do RAID5
[3:02] <Tachyon`> but I'd like the most reliable drives possible
[3:02] <Sp0tter> <--- raidz2
[3:02] <Tachyon`> as it only has four bays so a hot spare is ot of the question
[3:02] <Tachyon`> I can manage with 9TB, I can't manage with 6
[3:02] <phire> Tachyon`, did your nas come with 4 drives from the same batch?
[3:03] <Tachyon`> yes, all seagate 750s
[3:03] <Sp0tter> Tachyon`: why limit yourself to a 4 bay nas
[3:03] <Tachyon`> because it's what I've got, lol
[3:03] <Tachyon`> I'm not made of money, I can't replace working hardware without a good reason, heh
[3:03] <mru> then find a good reason
[3:03] <Sp0tter> i'm using an antec three hundred case with 9 drives in it i think.. and old atholn 4800+ cpu/board and 3 cheap $10 controller cards
[3:03] <Sp0tter> and its been flawless for 3 years
[3:03] <phire> generally a good idea when you are raiding to get drives across diffrent batches
[3:03] <Tachyon`> I don't want another PC based server
[3:04] <Tachyon`> the old one ws like that but ate nearly 300W
[3:04] <Tachyon`> this NAS eats about 80 with four disks
[3:04] <Sp0tter> mine uses 126 watts i think
[3:04] <Sp0tter> will check
[3:04] <Tachyon`> 9 drives would use about 135-180W alone...
[3:04] <mru> my house needs heating half the year anyway...
[3:04] <Sp0tter> Tachyon`: 122 watts idle
[3:04] <plugwash> Just always remember raid DOES NOT remove the need for backups
[3:04] <Tachyon`> do your drives power down when not in use?
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[3:05] <Sp0tter> no
[3:05] <Sp0tter> not that i know of
[3:05] <Tachyon`> that doesn't sound right at all
[3:05] <Sp0tter> it does to me...
[3:05] <mru> do not spin down desktop/server drives when idle
[3:05] <Sp0tter> a hard drive doesnt use but maybe 11 watts
[3:05] <Tachyon`> maybe my numbers are off but last I checked HDDs use 15-20 W depending how active they are
[3:05] <mru> they are not built for frequent stopping
[3:05] <Sp0tter> the green ones ar 3.7 watts
[3:05] <Sp0tter> according to my measurments
[3:05] <Tachyon`> oh wow
[3:05] <Tachyon`> WDC green?
[3:06] <mru> and idling hard drive shouldn't use much power
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[3:07] <Tachyon`> what things should do and what they do do are often quite different
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[3:07] <Tachyon`> hrm, it's 2am and I'm being summoned...
[3:07] <mru> where do you suppose the power goes then?
[3:07] <home> hey
[3:07] <home> how I make my SD card expand from its 2GB image?
[3:08] <mru> what filesystem does it have?
[3:08] <Sp0tter> home: the install images on the download page will do it automatically on first boot
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[3:10] <mongrelion> booyaa: hrm it is still sudo make installing.
[3:10] <plugwash> Sp0tter, the old fedora image was the only one to do that afaict
[3:10] <Sp0tter> raspbian does
[3:10] <plugwash> the foundation raspbian image has expansion code but it has to be manually activated from rpi-config
[3:10] <[SLB]> try parted, or from rarpi-config if in raspbian
[3:10] <plugwash> it doesn't do it automatically
[3:10] <[SLB]> *raspi-config
[3:11] <[SLB]> right
[3:11] <Sp0tter> well does it auto run the config on first boot? :)
[3:11] <plugwash> It does but you can exit from the config without telling it to do anything
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[3:31] <home> not sure if this is the right place to ask or maybe #linux
[3:32] <mongrelion> booyaa: xD it didn't work. It finished installing but when I try to run node, it gives me a "Illegal instruction" error.
[3:37] <MasterGeek> ACTION is away: Don't follow me back to reality you might not get back out if you do.
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[3:43] <hotwings> i saw the chat about fileservers. i have a fileserver thats 14TB and idles at 50-52watt without any throttling on the apu yet
[3:43] <hotwings> all but 2 drives are "green" drives
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[4:09] <TastefullyBlue> Hello!
[4:09] <dan408> hi
[4:09] <TastefullyBlue> I'm thinking about trying to get a Pi.. but curious how the I/O performance is with a USB HDD
[4:09] <dan408> no. i dont have an rpi. yet.
[4:09] <dan408> you made me want to buy one now.
[4:10] <dan408> who cares.
[4:10] <dan408> it's a $40 board
[4:10] <TastefullyBlue> obviously I care LOL
[4:10] <dan408> you get what you pay for
[4:10] <TastefullyBlue> not necessarily
[4:10] <dan408> unless it's an HP touchpad.
[4:10] <dan408> in a firesale.
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[4:10] <dan408> see above.
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[4:10] <TastefullyBlue> So, you don't have a Pi but yet claim you get what you pay for.. How can YOU say it's worth $40 if you don't have one?
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[4:11] <dan408> i can't.
[4:11] <TastefullyBlue> Exactly, thanks.
[4:11] <dan408> that's why im waiting for fedora to give me one for free.
[4:11] <dan408> aka redhat
[4:11] <TastefullyBlue> now anyways
[4:11] <dan408> whoever
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[4:11] <dan408> i might end up getting 2
[4:11] <TastefullyBlue> I ask because I was reading a blog earlier and the guy said using SD he only got 20MB/s
[4:11] <TastefullyBlue> so I naturally am curious if USB is fater
[4:11] <dan408> prolly
[4:12] <dan408> i dont know
[4:12] <dan408> honestly
[4:12] <dan408> if someone else wakes up
[4:12] <dan408> that actually owns one
[4:12] <dan408> they're prolly too busy coding on it
[4:12] <dan408> or sleeping.
[4:12] <dan408> i haven't decided yet
[4:12] <TastefullyBlue> I suppose, but surely out of 387 people someone would know.
[4:12] <dan408> but yes, I would like to have one.
[4:13] <plugwash> If IO performance is your priority the Pi is probablly not the device for you
[4:13] <dan408> ^^
[4:13] <plugwash> because everything ends up shoved down one USB port
[4:13] <dan408> that's peculiar.
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[4:13] <TastefullyBlue> IO performance necessarily isn't.. I was more curious..
[4:13] <dan408> does rpi even support usb 3
[4:13] <plugwash> and said USB port is driven by a rather poor host controller
[4:14] <plugwash> dan408, of course not
[4:14] <dan408> that's peculiar.
[4:14] <TastefullyBlue> I wonder how much better one of those small wall socket pc's are
[4:14] <TastefullyBlue> I forget the name of it
[4:14] <plugwash> I don't think i've seen any arm system with USB3 and certainly not something as low end as the Pi
[4:14] <dan408> TastefullyBlue: what's your budget.
[4:14] <dan408> stop thinking about how cheap you can be.
[4:14] <TastefullyBlue> cheap as possible
[4:14] <TastefullyBlue> lol
[4:14] <dan408> exactly.
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[4:14] <dan408> now let's avoid stereotyping, and figure out a reasonable budget for a decent computer.
[4:15] <TastefullyBlue> I really only want it for pirating.. I was thinking send it overseas - put it in a datacenter with external hdd and let it rip
[4:15] <dan408> wow dude.
[4:15] <TastefullyBlue> :D
[4:15] <dan408> just get out
[4:15] <dan408> you are a joke.
[4:15] <TastefullyBlue> You mean, you're?
[4:16] <dan408> i mean you've insulted everyone that writes code in here.
[4:16] <f8ba208e18> hell yesss I finally have my pi !!
[4:16] * plugwash bets there are a lot of people who both write code and pirate stuff
[4:16] <dan408> f8ba208e18: did you order it on newark?
[4:16] <f8ba208e18> no, rs components
[4:16] <TastefullyBlue> I honestly could careless if you write code, paint code, are the FBI, or whatever.
[4:16] <dan408> plugwash: right, but they're not dumb enough to talk about it in public.
[4:16] <f8ba208e18> https://photos-2.dropbox.com/si/2048x1536/FDoPtJ8y7QIKlzwd3kk2EdCFOp3mYrgzkXbh103TsA0/72495747/1344567600/ba3c599/2012-08-08%2022.12.42.jpg
[4:16] <dan408> TastefullyBlue: you shouldl
[4:17] <TastefullyBlue> I don't.
[4:17] <dan408> that's who dumbasses like you get caught.
[4:17] <TastefullyBlue> now go fly a kite.
[4:17] <dan408> how*
[4:17] <f8ba208e18> what's going on in here...
[4:17] <dan408> alraedy done
[4:17] <TastefullyBlue> You're already flying a kite? :D
[4:17] <dan408> f8ba208e18: that is pretty.
[4:17] <dan408> TastefullyBlue: yes it's flying outside my house right now.
[4:17] <TastefullyBlue> lol
[4:17] <TastefullyBlue> You better go catch it!
[4:17] <dan408> f8ba208e18: what do you plan to do with it?
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[4:18] <home> was someone helping me here? justn ow XD
[4:18] <home> or was it at #raspbian
[4:18] <f8ba208e18> media center for my parents and I want to hook it up to a solar panel to do long landscape exposures
[4:18] <dan408> the latter sounds interesting.
[4:19] <home> the latter sounds interesting alright..
[4:19] <dan408> i plan to fuel my car with mine :D
[4:19] <f8ba208e18> I yet have to find a decent pannel that's not too expensive
[4:19] <f8ba208e18> fuel your car? care to elaborate?
[4:19] <dan408> no
[4:19] <dan408> im joking
[4:19] <dan408> is that canadian money next to the rpi?
[4:19] <dan408> it is beautiful
[4:20] <f8ba208e18> yeah that's a quarter
[4:20] <dan408> nice
[4:20] <f8ba208e18> I guess :P
[4:20] <TastefullyBlue> hmm
[4:20] <TastefullyBlue> http://www.fxitech.com/products/ but expensive..
[4:20] <dan408> i bet it's niice and cold up there too.
[4:20] <dan408> :/
[4:20] * dan408 has grass is greener syndrome
[4:20] <f8ba208e18> not cold at all
[4:20] <dan408> i know.
[4:20] <f8ba208e18> oh, I see.
[4:20] <dan408> where you at
[4:20] <TastefullyBlue> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G133999328931 - expensive too
[4:21] <dan408> west or east
[4:21] <f8ba208e18> montreal
[4:21] <dan408> ah
[4:21] <dan408> the habs
[4:21] <f8ba208e18> yep!
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[4:21] <f8ba208e18> god damn, I need a SD card now
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[4:22] <f8ba208e18> how long does it usually take for hong kong stuff to ship in the US? do you know?
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[4:22] <GriffenJBS> f8ba208e18, dan408 mind the language, there are kick happy ops around, if your new here FYI, if not then ignore me
[4:23] <f8ba208e18> oh.. alright I guess
[4:23] <dan408> GriffenJBS: thx
[4:23] <plugwash> if they send it through the regular postal service then shipping from hong kong to the US will probablly take ages
[4:23] <plugwash> if they fedex it then they can probablly get it there in a few days
[4:23] <f8ba208e18> plugwash: define ages
[4:23] <GriffenJBS> takes about 3 weeks for me
[4:23] <f8ba208e18> aww :(.. it's been 9 days...
[4:23] <plugwash> I don't have exact figures for "ages" but on the order of weeks
[4:23] <GriffenJBS> the kittens never make it MuHAHA
[4:23] <dan408> hong kong?
[4:23] <dan408> dude
[4:24] <dan408> it takes me 3 weeks to get a hockey jersey from china
[4:24] <dan408> stop complaining.
[4:24] <TastefullyBlue> lol
[4:24] <plugwash> also where did you buy this card from?
[4:24] <dan408> it goes by boat.
[4:24] <plugwash> there are lots of fakes out there being sold by unscrupulous sellers in the far east through sites like ebay
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[4:25] <f8ba208e18> I bought it on ebay...
[4:25] <f8ba208e18> I bought this http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320951692689&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:CA:3160
[4:25] <TastefullyBlue> heh
[4:25] <TastefullyBlue> Anyone bought a dream plug?
[4:26] <plugwash> I know michael dorrington has one and seemed reasonablly happy with it
[4:26] <plugwash> but I've only personally seen it briefly
[4:26] <TastefullyBlue> cool
[4:26] <TastefullyBlue> it looks interesting with its case and all
[4:27] <jaxdahl> root
[4:28] <plugwash> It's not a bad system but if you don't need the case or all the IO you can get better specs for cheaper
[4:28] <plugwash> e.g. the IMX53 quickstart boards that we use to build raspbian
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[4:29] <TastefullyBlue> I'm just looking for something with like 256mb ram, gigabit ethernet, external usb
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[4:30] <plugwash> hmm, /me didn't realise the dreamplug had gigabit ethernet
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[4:31] <TastefullyBlue> 2 gigabit cards..
[4:31] <mru> for such specs marvell stuff is probably a good bet
[4:31] <dan408> marvell makes good chipsets.
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[4:31] <Syliss> TastefullyBlue what are you looking to do with it?
[4:32] <TastefullyBlue> run a small website and do unspeakable downloads
[4:32] <mru> there are things I don't like about marvell
[4:32] <mru> but they're the most reasonable one I can think of for GbE in a cheap chip
[4:32] <TastefullyBlue> http://www.plugcomputer.org/development-kits/dreamplug/
[4:32] <mru> yeah, that's marvell
[4:33] <plugwash> yeah the dreamplug is probablly a good choice for a home server, gigabit ethernet, native SATA
[4:33] <TastefullyBlue> 159 bucks though
[4:33] <mru> cheap
[4:33] <plugwash> a bit lacking in the CPU department though
[4:33] <plugwash> the D2plug has a better CPU but only one ethernet and a higher pricetag
[4:34] <mru> that cpu is plenty to shuffle data between a disk and network
[4:34] <TastefullyBlue> I'll prob get that dream plug when I have some extra $
[4:34] <f8ba208e18> just got the old lego box out of the closet, DUST everywhere!!!
[4:34] <f8ba208e18> time to build a case...
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[4:41] <Sp0tter> i built one but its too bulky
[4:42] <Sp0tter> using a dual layer on the bottom is just too cumbersome... i'm going to get some other plastic enclosure
[4:44] <f8ba208e18> holy hell I just found a 2gb sd card! great
[4:44] <f8ba208e18> what image do you guys recommand as my first rpi experience?
[4:45] <Ishpeck> Arch
[4:45] <mrdragons> Linux from scratch :P
[4:45] <f8ba208e18> I already got arch but on the school server
[4:45] <f8ba208e18> I'll just redownload it here I guess
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[4:45] <ldav15> PiBot help
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[4:53] <dwarder> lol http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/07/raspberry-pi-hacked-to-power-these-awesome-augmented-reality-glasses/ 48$ rpi got hit by $5000 glasses :)
[4:53] <dwarder> and they don't mention the glasses price
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[5:06] <nputnam> yo party people
[5:07] <dan408> yo
[5:07] <dan408> sup partygirl
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[5:10] <rtyler> okay, so this is confusing as hell
[5:10] <rtyler> I have tried a second powered USB hub
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[5:10] <rtyler> raspbian recognizes them both as USB hubs, but with fewer ports than they have
[5:11] <rtyler> and nothing being plugged into it works
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[5:28] <ldav15> rtyler: do either of the USB hubs work OK with other hardware?
[5:30] <rtyler> oh definitely, they've both been used all day at work with an openSUSE box :)
[5:31] <ldav15> That strongly suggests the problem is at the RPi end somewhere.
[5:32] <ldav15> Did you try just one of the USB inputs on the Pi, or both?
[5:34] <rtyler> I've now tried both
[5:34] <rtyler> it "recognizes" them, but /var/log/messages doesn't seem to ever get the right number of ports
[5:34] <rtyler> actually, when I plugged in the powered USB hub before I plugged in the rpi, it turned on, which was weird :P
[5:36] <ldav15> The RPi turned on?
[5:38] <rtyler> yeah
[5:38] <rtyler> it drew power over USB instead I presume?
[5:39] <rtyler> I just unplugged the power, but the hub is still plugged in
[5:39] <rtyler> it's still on just fine o_O
[5:39] <ldav15> That's weird.
[5:39] <rtyler> well
[5:39] <rtyler> not just fine
[5:39] <rtyler> my other USB port seems to have no power
[5:39] <rtyler> wacky
[5:42] <ldav15> When I've got my RPi connected to a powered USB hub it remains off until I plug in the power microUSB (to the poweed hub that it's plugged into).
[5:42] <rtyler> so, looking at more of /var/log/messages
[5:42] <rtyler> somehow raspbian determines that a 7 port hub and a 4 port hub are being connected
[5:42] <rtyler> (it's a single 10 port)
[5:44] <ldav15> What does the openSUSE box say that hub is?
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[5:45] <rtyler> hmm, lemme plug it in
[5:46] <rtyler> omterestomg. sa,e tjomg
[5:46] <rtyler> er
[5:46] <rtyler> alignment error
[5:46] <rtyler> same thing*
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[5:54] <f8ba208e18> hells yes
[5:54] <f8ba208e18> first boot of my rpi !!! its aliveeeeeee
[5:55] <rtyler> yay!
[5:56] <f8ba208e18> i took pictures, I'm too glad
[5:58] <f8ba208e18> ooh it gets much warmer than I anticipated
[5:58] <ldav15> rtyler: I kind of suspected that openSUSE would say something like that. But I'm not sure that it's normal that the RPi should run if it's not connected to power through the microUSB.
[5:59] <steve_rox> yes the tempature is most scary
[6:00] <f8ba208e18> does it get really warm?
[6:00] <f8ba208e18> jesus it is pretty warm after hardly 3 min boot...
[6:00] <f8ba208e18> and no X started
[6:00] <steve_rox> one the chips allmost gives me a blister
[6:00] <steve_rox> the lan/usb one is the worst
[6:01] <steve_rox> they are rated to function at high tempture but i still dont like it
[6:01] <f8ba208e18> same, I find it rather weird
[6:01] <f8ba208e18> I expected no temperature or hardly any heat
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[6:02] <steve_rox> completely oppasite
[6:02] <f8ba208e18> what do you do to keep it cooler? if anything..
[6:03] <steve_rox> i was able to put a small heatsink on the main cpu i removed from old motherboard
[6:03] <steve_rox> but it has limited performance
[6:03] <steve_rox> there are some goons on ebay selling copper heatsinks for them
[6:03] <steve_rox> thing is with heatsinks you kinda need airflow to get benifits
[6:03] <ldav15> Time to find an old 486 fan :-)
[6:04] <f8ba208e18> im rather disapointed
[6:04] <f8ba208e18> this is the first time I hear about anything related to heat and rpis
[6:04] <steve_rox> hmm 486's dident used to have many fans
[6:04] <steve_rox> the heat wont make it go bang
[6:04] <steve_rox> its just somewhat uncomfortable
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[6:05] <f8ba208e18> what about a very long uptime, though?
[6:05] <f8ba208e18> won't that damage the board
[6:05] <cmug> time to build the first liquid cooled raspi
[6:05] <heathkid> a 486 fan?
[6:05] <steve_rox> maybe a laptop fan would be better
[6:05] <heathkid> are you folks overclocking your rpi's?
[6:06] <steve_rox> since its smaller and probly has lower power demand
[6:06] <steve_rox> xbmc overclocks by default thats far as ive taken it
[6:06] <heathkid> have you measured the temp?
[6:07] <Sp0tter> heathkid: i overclock to 900 core
[6:07] <heathkid> nice
[6:07] <heathkid> cmug: easier just to put the rpi in the fridge
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[6:08] <home> anyone here installed heatsinks on their raspberry pi?
[6:08] <Sp0tter> i have
[6:08] <home> I am planning on overclocking mine.
[6:08] <heathkid> and a light sensor of course just to make sure the light really does go off when you close the door! :)
[6:09] <Sp0tter> picked up a copper "memory heatsink" on ebay.. ~$5 shipped for 8
[6:09] <steve_rox> overclocking using over volt?
[6:10] <Sp0tter> i havin't overvolted yet
[6:10] <wry> I love it when things cost more to ship than they do themselves.
[6:10] <steve_rox> the overvolt oc invalidates warrenty rember that
[6:10] <home> Sp0tter: ebay link please :D
[6:11] <home> RaspPi has warranty? ohvrap
[6:11] <home> lul
[6:11] <ldav15> nn
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[6:11] <Sp0tter> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Copper-Heat-Sink-DDR-DDR2-DDR3-RAM-Memory-Cooler-/110703365805?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D1196034254259019836%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26 [-]
[6:11] <Sp0tter> but there are cheaper auctions for the same thing
[6:13] <home> and you installed them on which components? also what paste did you use? Can I use Artic silver 5?
[6:13] <steve_rox> i have been unable to think of any projects for the pi at moment
[6:13] <Sp0tter> i just stuck it on the soc
[6:13] <Sp0tter> it comes with transfer sticky stuff on the back
[6:13] <Sp0tter> i know it works, because it gets quite hot
[6:13] <home> I see nice :d
[6:13] <home> I think I will find a cheap price
[6:14] <Sp0tter> i recommend it.. i have 2 pi's .. so $5 wasn't horrible.. have 6 extra sinks .. maybe i will have to get 6 more pi's to suet hem on someday :)
[6:14] <Sp0tter> i have another buddy that got the same ones when i did.. he also has been happy with it
[6:14] <Sp0tter> came from hong kong in a couple weeks
[6:15] <Sp0tter> i like them muchly.. i thought about ordering 1000 or so and selling them for a buck a piece stateside (US) but thats too much work heh
[6:15] <home> in a couple of weeks.. LOL
[6:15] <Sp0tter> meh, waited a year for my pi
[6:15] <Sp0tter> 2 weeks isn't bad for the heatsink
[6:15] <home> meh, i waited 5 days XD
[6:15] <home> lol
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[6:16] <jcims> any good references for power supplies that will work over cat5 alongside the ethernet?
[6:16] <Sp0tter> it was probably faster than 2 weeks i cant remember
[6:17] <hotwings> jcims - you know rpi doesnt support poe right?
[6:17] <f8ba208e18> anyone know how to go back to the initial raspbian config window?
[6:17] <jcims> yes.
[6:18] <jcims> i was thinking about just running 5v to a splitter. linksys has something along those lines but i don't think it supports the correct power leve
[6:18] <MycoRunner> finally, my RPi is getting shipped!
[6:18] <steve_rox> will a chip benifit from a heatsink even if theres no fan/airflow?
[6:18] <Sp0tter> http://www.ebay.com/itm/310412425115?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 is what i got to power my pi
[6:18] <Sp0tter> i highly recommend it
[6:18] <jcims> Newark got that stuff turned around quick for me, ordered on 7/25 arrive 8/3
[6:18] <jcims> beat the little red case even
[6:18] <Sp0tter> good ol 1 amp
[6:19] <home> Haha
[6:19] <home> I dont even need 1 amp to run mine
[6:19] <home> running at 550ma and even ran with 200ma
[6:19] <home> 200ma was unstable with XBMC
[6:19] <f8ba208e18> model a or b
[6:19] <home> 550ma, is much better for me now
[6:19] <home> b duh
[6:20] <home> and I am running from the pins :D
[6:20] <jcims> i'm using a little software defined radio on mine though, i think it needs a couple hundred mA
[6:20] <home> I need a 2A for OCing though
[6:20] <Sp0tter> home: http://www.ebay.com/itm/130485258951?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 is the exact one i got.. $1.49 + $3.21 shipping
[6:20] <jcims> i was thinking of running 9v down the line and putting a 5v regulator on the other end
[6:21] <Sp0tter> jcims: sounds like a waste of 4v :)
[6:21] <home> Sp0tter: Wait, what...
[6:21] <jcims> probably
[6:21] <home> I am in Canada so
[6:21] <home> oh good
[6:21] <home> 2.96 extra shipping
[6:21] <home> still less then some of the other ones..
[6:22] <hotwings> [21:16:05] <steve_rox> will a chip benifit from a heatsink even if theres no fan/airflow? <-- yes because its still pulling heat away from the chip
[6:22] <jcims> some of this mail order stuff is getting crazy. i bought a dvi to mini dvi converter off of amazon prime. it was 2.79 with free shipping.
[6:22] <jcims> my driveway is 1/3 mile, so that's 2/3 mile in a UPS truck to bring it to my house
[6:22] <jcims> who's making money there
[6:22] <home> I dont have a visa card, so that is going to be extremely hard for me to get
[6:22] <Sp0tter> jcims: yea on ebay i saw a 6 foot hdmi cable shipped from hong kong to the us.. $1 shipped
[6:22] <jcims> lol
[6:23] <home> will look around locally
[6:23] <Sp0tter> how can you ship something across the ocean for $1.. much less make it
[6:23] <home> Sp0tter: that is GREAT
[6:23] <Sp0tter> i was going to get it.. but i'm afraid it will give me cancer
[6:23] <hotwings> Sp0tter - have other stuff you are profitting from in the container :)
[6:23] <Sp0tter> and altism
[6:24] <hotwings> ive bought several of those $.99 incl. shipping from china items off ebay. luckily always worked for me
[6:24] <Sp0tter> hotwings: what about after it gets to the US..
[6:24] <home> Is it possible to feed my pi 1A of current?
[6:24] <Sp0tter> you can't ship a 6 ft cable domestically for $1
[6:24] <home> by using 2 500mA chargers?
[6:25] <hotwings> Sp0tter - $.99 shipped to my mailbox
[6:26] <Sp0tter> yea
[6:26] <hotwings> knowing how much we stroke china, they probably dont have to pay anything once it gets here
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[6:33] <MycoRunner> I know there are a lot of them, but does anyone have a suggested power supply that is easily available, OVER 1 AMP?
[6:34] <unknownbit> kodak digicam charger but exactly 1A
[6:35] <MycoRunner> kodak digicam?
[6:37] <MycoRunner> I'm looking at this one: http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=68R2387
[6:38] <xiambax> Could you use an RPI to broadcast and SSID?
[6:39] <wry> Depends on whether the USB wifi card you use has master mode support.
[6:39] <xiambax> Does the small one that most people buy have it/
[6:40] <wry> If it does, it's just installing software and configuring.
[6:41] <wry> I was using a lappy as a wireless router at one point.
[6:41] <xiambax> Im trying to broadcast from my iMac but for some reason its not working
[6:42] <hotwings> there are tons of small wifi adapters, which one are you talking about?
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[6:45] <xiambax> Sorry, the one specifically i was thinking about was for the odroid-x
[6:45] <home> just get a wifi router
[6:45] <home> and use that
[6:45] <home> lol
[6:46] <xiambax> No i want to build mini rpi web servers for wikileak purposes and clandestine leaks.
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[6:48] <unknownbit> MycoRunner http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wall-Charger-OEM-USB-Cable-Cord-Lead-For-Kodak-EasyShare-M320-M340-M341-Camera-/261079281398?pt=Batteries_Chargers&hash=item3cc989aef6 but u need micro usb --> usb
[6:50] <unknownbit> im using wireless keyboard with trackpad and its working beautifuly
[6:51] <MycoRunner> unknownbit: thanks
[6:51] <unknownbit> is there usb headers for rpi?
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[7:02] <TeeCee> Hi guys!
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[7:16] <home> hey Tee
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[7:35] <cmug> heathkid: where is the fun in easy
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[7:45] <SLFCore> greetings
[7:46] <TeeCee> Hi
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[8:41] <gordonDrogon> morning pi punnets!
[8:41] <TeeCee> Morning gordonDrogon
[8:42] <gordonDrogon> nothing to exciting happening this morning by the looks of it :)
[8:43] <Gadget-Work> Morning
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[9:01] <gordonDrogon> So the Pi's GPIO is a little too fast for the 4021N inside the NES joystick!
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[9:02] <gordonDrogon> and you need one latch then 7 clock pulses to clock out the 8 data bits.
[9:04] <bircoe> are you going to release a driver for NES controllers to send keyboard presses :)
[9:04] <bircoe> you know you want to do it!
[9:04] <bircoe> do it...
[9:04] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
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[9:04] <gordonDrogon> well -just a function call initially.
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[9:04] <bircoe> nice1
[9:04] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea about how to make it work like a real keyboard.
[9:05] <gordonDrogon> but programs can call nesJoystick () and get back a byte which you can then mask with defines for each button.
[9:05] <gordonDrogon> so if (nesJoystick () & NES_UP) { ... }
[9:06] <bircoe> sounds fun!
[9:06] <bircoe> I had another question for you regarding your Wiring Pi library... is there a nice way to use it with PHP? As is I'm doing exec calls to your gpio util... but I don't like that.
[9:06] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> I'd need to find out how to write C extensions for php.
[9:06] <bircoe> ahhh it's like that...
[9:06] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure it's not hard...
[9:07] <gordonDrogon> this looks a good start: http://www.tuxradar.com/practicalphp/20/0/0
[9:07] <gordonDrogon> however it would mean that whoever wants to use it would need to compile their own php.
[9:08] <bircoe> ewwww
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> ah, just had a thought, I could write the /dev/sys/gpio interface in php..
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> so you use gpio to do the exports, then php read/writes the /sys/class/gpio interface. (not /dev above, oops!)
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> no coffee yet :)
[9:08] <bircoe> I did try that...
[9:09] <bircoe> I tried this class...
[9:09] <bircoe> https://github.com/pickley/PHP-GPIO/blob/master/GPIO.php
[9:09] <bircoe> fails without appropriate permissions
[9:09] <gordonDrogon> yes, needs to be root.
[9:10] <bircoe> exactly, works from the command line if run with sudo...
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> however... if you modify it:
[9:10] <bircoe> anyhoo kids are screaming.
[9:11] <gordonDrogon> ok, but remove the 2 lines of file_put_contents in the setup code, do the exports via the gpio program beforehand and it will work.
[9:11] <bircoe> oh rly...
[9:11] <bircoe> file_put_contents('/sys/class/gpio/export', $pinNo);
[9:12] <bircoe> and file_put_contents('/sys/class/gpio/gpio'.$pinNo.'/direction', $direction);
[9:12] <bircoe> ???
[9:12] <gordonDrogon> yea, just comment them out.
[9:12] <bircoe> replace with gpio export?
[9:12] <gordonDrogon> well, you could ..
[9:13] <gordonDrogon> same for the unexport and unexportall functions.
[9:13] <bircoe> will have to try that tonight when the kids are in bed
[9:13] <gordonDrogon> the rest is ok :)
[9:13] <gordonDrogon> and it's time for breakfast now!
[9:13] <bircoe> thanks for the pointer!
[9:13] <gordonDrogon> laters..
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[9:14] <iBooyaa> morning
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[9:25] <iBooyaa> quiet this morn
[9:30] <Iota> ROAR!
[9:30] <Iota> \o/
[9:30] <Iota> I am a bear.
[9:32] <cmug> Bears can't irc. I don't believe you.
[9:33] <Iota> You got me. I'm nothing but a big fat phoney!
[9:34] <iBooyaa> heh
[9:34] <sundancer> if you are a bear then im dead parrot from monty python's sketch
[9:34] <iBooyaa> sundancer: thought you looked familiar
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[9:39] <Gadgetoid> Either spam email takes a scattergun approach, or I'm being profiled as an elderly black Christian
[9:44] <Mr_Sheesh> Both, probably
[9:45] <Gadgetoid> I'm still getting targeted advertising for theme park tickets??? the cookie law hasn't broken the internet yet
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[9:46] <rdvonz> Kind of a pipe dream here, but how feasible would it be to read a Super Nintendo cartridge using GPIO?
[9:47] <Iota> http://i.imgur.com/rYdOJ.jpg
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[9:49] <Gadgetoid> rdvonz: It's called a Retrode :D
[9:51] <Gadgetoid> rdvonz: not sure how well the Pi GPIO is suited to such a task, but a buffer can always make things possible
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[9:55] <rdvonz> It would be fun to replace the super nintendo's guts with an RPI, using the existing connectors in addition to having a library of games already on a card. The controller would be easy, I've never tried reading from any sort of game cartridge before though.
[9:55] <booyaa> mongrelion: gimme a shout when you're around
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[10:02] <Gadgetoid> rdvonz: earliest example I can find of the Retrode doing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwq6vRM8U7k
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[10:03] <Gadgetoid> rdvonz: Oh dear god??? "Step 1: Grinding down a Raspberry Pi" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQDZbPXMrBc&feature=plcp
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[10:04] <rdvonz> Gadgetoid: They cheated!
[10:05] <booyaa> hello Gadgetoid long time no see
[10:05] <Gadgetoid> Ahoyaa booyaa
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[10:08] <booyaa> mongrelion: apols man i just did a real smoke test of node, failed whilt trying to run script or repl mode. node -v !== working version of node :D
[10:11] <Gadgetoid> Wait, what, GERTBOARD?
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> Gertboard.
[10:11] <booyaa> totes
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> Yes. it's here ...
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[10:11] <booyaa> is there a limit to how any you can order?
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> I have NES joystick running on Pi.
[10:12] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: woohoo!
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> no limit, but they're ?30 each.
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> for a kit.
[10:12] <Gadgetoid> Wowser
[10:12] <booyaa> there;s a lot on it though
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> with smt resistors & caps to solder on :)
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[10:12] <Gadgetoid> That counts me out, I must wait for a pre-assembled version
[10:12] <booyaa> ah, still ahve to solder smt stuf on?
[10:12] <booyaa> yeah i'm not that good yet
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[10:13] <booyaa> got some friends at hackspace that could help, but i'll wait
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gertboard/
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> not many smt components. I did my first smt stuff a few days ago - didn't fint it too hard.
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> Gert reckons there will be pre-assembled ones on ebay soon... maybe a little side-line ....
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[10:14] <booyaa> heh good stuff
[10:15] <booyaa> might see if our hacks[ace wwnats to doa soldering party
[10:15] <booyaa> they did one when the nanode came out
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> I'd paypal for a premade :D but there's no way any single person could do it profitably and still make it affordable
[10:15] <booyaa> admittedly a lot of prototyping was done at said hackspace
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[10:16] <Gadgetoid> Gertboard is probably not suitable for me, though, I'd be better suited designing my own and sticking it on one of the Pi proto plates
[10:17] <booyaa> i like it's got circuit protection on it, that's the only thing that's putting me off playing with gpio at the moment
[10:17] <booyaa> i know it's a lame excuse
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, you have a gertboard anyway - that big breadboard you put together!
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, yea - I've not blown on up ... yet :)
[10:20] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Pretty much, yeah, it's shy a few components but not anything significant
[10:20] <Gadgetoid> I could probably use some A2D converters, I'm waiting to see what else hobbytronics puts up in their new Pi section
[10:20] <Gadgetoid> Then I will buy all the things
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> I have the Gertboard A2D's going.
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> they're SPI chips - only 8-bit output though.
[10:21] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: would be good to get them into WiringPi and then the language wrappers
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/gert.png
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, they're already in - just need to tidy it up & make a new release.
[10:21] <Gadgetoid> Awesome, looks like I've got a lot of work ahead of me
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> that scope trace is the output of one D/A connected to one A/D connected (in software) to the 2nd D/A...
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> cyan is the first D/A, yellow is the 2nd D/A outputs.
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> The D/A is 0-2V, the A/D is 0-3.3v inputs.
[10:22] <Gadgetoid> My brain esplode!
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> :)
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/gertboard.c
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> is the program that does that.
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[10:24] <sundancer> gordonDrogon: is there a library for driving gertboard with python?
[10:24] <Gadgetoid> I wonder how I should handle gertboard functionality in my wrappers, probably worth throwing it all in
[10:25] <Gadgetoid> sundancer: there will be soon
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> sundancer, don't know. it's just SPI for that part of it.
[10:25] <Gadgetoid> sundancer: Although I could use all the help I can get, as I'm no Python developer
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> the spi stuff is tricky to make work, but I got there in the end for the PiFace.
[10:25] * MasterGeek is back (gone 06:48:11)
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, oh, there's PiFace support in wiringPi now too :)
[10:26] <sundancer> Gadgetoid: im no python guru neither but im chewing it slowly
[10:26] <Gadgetoid> sundancer: this does general GPIO thus far, and I will likely be working in some more breakout-board specific functions: https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi-Python
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[10:27] <Gadgetoid> And there's also RPi.GPIO for Python, I don't know what the roadmap is for that regarding expansion board functions though
[10:27] * gordonDrogon keeps on blazing the trail (in C ) ;-)
[10:28] <Gadgetoid> My libraries, based entirely around gordonDrogon's awesome work, seek to create a standard way of doing things across all the languages
[10:29] <Jck_true> I got I2C running the other day - And I just ordered a few components using SPI instead :)
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> I2C is on my to-do list - tomorow if I get the chips...
[10:30] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Surprisingly easy to get my i2c display working - Just waiting for the RTC i2c clock now
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> I'm changing the gpio program to have a 'load' function too - so gpio load i2c will load the i2c drivers into the kernel and change the permissions of the /dev/ entries so the user running gpio can then access it without the need to be root (same for spi)
[10:30] <Jck_true> (Sadly I was a bit too quick ordering an 8x8 led matrix and didn't check that I needed 24 pins to control is ::|
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[10:31] <gordonDrogon> 24? ah, a 2-colour one?
[10:31] <Jck_true> Yup
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[10:31] <gordonDrogon> ok - we can do that with 2 SPI GPIO expanders and the Pi's own GPIO ...
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> (or I2C GPIO expanders - same chip, different interface)
[10:31] <Jck_true> You aint seen my soldering skills ;)
[10:31] <gordonDrogon> or even shift registers.
[10:32] <Jck_true> 2 wire interfaces ftw
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> spi is faster - in theory.
[10:33] <Jck_true> I've worked a bit with i2c at work - And it's fairly easy to decode with a scope to me - Never tried SPI
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[10:33] <gordonDrogon> I've only used spi so-far with the PiFace - it has MCP23S17 chip on it - but the same chip is avalable with an i2c interface too.
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/piface/
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> right. SS&S time now! back inna bit.
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[10:59] <gordonDrogon> better.
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> now to tackle the local farmers market. Ruralistan has some nice benefits - and the sun is shining!!!
[11:04] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: jealous as always
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[11:04] * booyaa is still aiming to up sticks in four years time
[11:05] <booyaa> by then norwich hackspace would've been established. and i can then setup my own home brewery
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[11:07] <bertrik> I went to see a few hackerspaces and a "fab lab" in the past weeks and I think it's a very nice idea
[11:07] <bertrik> even spotted a raspberry pi, and parts of raspberry pi cases :)
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[11:18] <Holden> Hello peeps... just wondering, has anyone tried to make a microchip pic programmer using the raspberry pi?
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[11:28] <Gadgetoid> ello ello!
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> Holden, don't know about PIC, but if you have a USB programmer then it will work...
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> Holden, there is an ATmega programmer using it's ISP port that works on the Pi, so I'm sure someone can come up with the same for the PIC..
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[11:28] <gordonDrogon> Horrible little chips though they are ;-)
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[11:32] <Holden> gordonDrogon, I don't have a USB programmer atm, but actually I've tried to make my own pic programmer with the rpi and this interface http://imagebin.org/223881 . I've written some C code and I can read and write 2 micros, just wanted to know if anyone else was doing something similar
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[11:40] <Jck_true> Dooo!!! I just ordered a 4wire interface touch screen - But there's no analog input :(
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[11:49] <gordonDrogon> Holden, blimey! I just connected the Pi's GPIO directly to the ATmega's ISP pins...
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> Holden, your PIC is running at +12v and +5v though?
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[11:51] <trevorman> PIC HV ICSP needs 12V on MCLR
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> seems a bit old fashioned, but hey ...
[11:51] <Holden> gordonDrogon, well, yes, it needs the +12V for the VPP voltage (to enter in program/verify mode). I get the +5V from the regulator, so you only need a +12V supply
[11:52] <trevorman> LV ICSP needs a dedicated pin IIRC
[11:52] <trevorman> for PICs anyway
[11:52] <Holden> yes, PGM
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[11:54] <trevorman> your circuit should be helpful for AVR anyway for when people mess up the fuses and disable LV ICSP
[11:54] <Holden> I did it as an experiment more than anything... since the interface only uses resistors/bjts and one regulator, it will probably cost about 2???
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[11:55] <gordonDrogon> the only time I've programmed PICs has been via a serial bootloader.
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> which someone had laready burned into it..
[11:56] <trevorman> TBH that is true for AVR now as well :)
[11:56] <Holden> trevorman, I see, I never worked with the AVR...
[11:56] <trevorman> everybody and their dog uses the STK bootloader it appears
[11:57] <Holden> hmm, I've never used bootloaders either...
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[11:59] <gordonDrogon> you need to use the ISP programmer for hte Gertboard.
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> Well... Yuo can burn a serial bootloader but need to modify it to use 12MHz.
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[12:01] <trevorman> in creative abuse of technology, you can use a USB hub to program AVR chips - http://www.pjrc.com/hub_isp/
[12:01] <Holden> but... doesn't the bootloader then use some of the flash program memory inside the microcontroller?
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[12:01] <trevorman> Holden: yeah it does
[12:02] <Holden> how much tipically?
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[12:05] <trevorman> can't remember as I don't usually it use but it was something like 1-2KB?
[12:05] <Holden> :| 2K is the entire memory on the pic I'm using...
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[12:06] <trevorman> heh. yeah. if you're using one of those tiny uCs then a bootloader would be a bad idea
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[12:09] <Holden> indeed... the pic16f series has anywhere from 0.5K to 8K of flash program memory... reserving 2K for the bootloader would be too much
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[12:10] <gordonDrogon> the standard bootloader in the ATmegas is 512 bytes I think.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> hang on, I'll check.
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> no, actually, it's closer to 2K!
[12:11] <reider59> Anyone know the approx lead time on the Gert board?
[12:11] <Holden> btw how many bits is an instruction in the avr?
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> and I think that's the size of the one in the PIC I was using - it has 96KB of Flash, but I could only use 94KB (and my program pushed it almost right to that )-:
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[12:12] <gordonDrogon> reider59, the posts are saying weeks, but I suspect Farnell are being a bit dense - they have it all in-stock.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> I'd be really surprised if I ordered one today and didn't have it by early next week.
[12:12] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: somebody made an optimised/cutdown version of the AVR bootloader which is 512
[12:13] <reider59> Okies and thanks again gordon for all your help. I read October 8th but thought I`d double check. I also skimmed through the manuals and saw a reference to your work. Good going, nice to know you're out there.....
[12:13] <Holden> but if you can use the ICSP feature of the pic, what's the purpose of the bootloader?
[12:13] <trevorman> Holden, nothing. it is for people who don't have a programmer
[12:13] <Holden> oh right, I see
[12:14] <Holden> if you want to experiment with uC you need a programmer I guess, even a simple/cheap one
[12:14] <reider59> I have a bid in with Ebay and possibly another if that fails, should that one fail then the Gert Board is next inline, unless I stop bidding and just decide to go for it.
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[12:15] <trevorman> the workaround people use is a USB serial chip and the bootloader. just getting a cheap programmer would be better in the long run though.
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[12:16] <trevorman> the gert board is weird imo. there is a decent amount of free space and already a ton of throughhole components so why have it partially SMD?
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[12:19] <gordonDrogon> I think for most ATmegas, taking 2K out of 16 or 32K is OK and if your program gets to that size, then maybe it's not the best platform (says he who wrote 94K of code in a 96K device!)
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[12:20] <gordonDrogon> when I'm doing stuff for smaller devices, then it's ISP all the way.
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[12:20] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, who knows - that's revision C of the board too. Gert would probably have done a 4th revision had Farnell not taken so-long to get the kit together.
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> I was using a home-built parallel port programmer fo a long time - until I upgraded my PC to one without a parallel port )-:
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> so I went out and bought a programmer - Olimex I think was the brand. Not too expensive IIRC.
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[12:22] <trevorman> pickit or clone is pretty much all you need for PIC programming
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> Holden, the whole arduino thing was just "easy" with a bootloader and a usb serial interface. I think they reckoned the expense of the usb port was worth it in the long run for the sheer convenience.
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> and the PIC device I was programming is a Dive computer - so completely embedded in potting solicone apart from a usb serial port
[12:24] <reider59> I was dead suprised how easy and effective my Arduino LCD Shield was using th eUSB on the Arduino. Just plug it into the Arduino board and it's ready to go. having LCD Smartie interact with it was just the icing on the cake, a hidden bonus I never thought of.
[12:24] <reider59> Especially for only ?12.50
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[12:24] <TheBrayn> which resolution?
[12:24] <TheBrayn> und what do you display on the lcd shield?
[12:25] <reider59> its an LCD module, text and some characters, not a screen
[12:25] <Holden> gordonDrogon, yes I agree it's a nice feature... but again I've never used an arduino, although I've heard great things about it. Usually I like doing stuff at 'low level', so I just program the pic in assembly
[12:25] <bircoe> the most common LCD modules are 16x2
[12:25] <bircoe> 16 columns by 2 rows
[12:26] <reider59> It is a 16 x 2 and I have a 20 x 4 I use wired to a breakout board and a ribbon cable to the RPi
[12:26] <reider59> I have a jumper wire version ready and a ribbon cable from the LCD that I made up
[12:27] <reider59> I also have 4-5 USB LCD modules but I don`t use them with the RPi. I got them from Crystalfontz free for development and testing
[12:28] <reider59> oh and a SCAB temperature board that attaches to some of the LCD Modules
[12:28] <Holden> I think you can program up to 8 custom chars in the 16x2 lcd... so you have 'some' freedom if you want to draw something :)
[12:28] <ReggieUK> for pic programmers, I look at ftdi adapters
[12:28] <reider59> plus a shedload of temp sensors
[12:29] <ReggieUK> cos you get an atmega programmer out of it too
[12:29] <Gadgetoid> I ultimately settled for the cheap basic nokia graphic LCD, t'was fun
[12:29] <ReggieUK> and it'll program eeproms
[12:29] <ReggieUK> http://letsmakerobots.com/node/21245
[12:29] <reider59> I've had some characters on mine, but I want to check them all out later. I had a heart, smiley face, matchstick man waving arms up and down
[12:30] <ReggieUK> some of the ftdi range will also do jtag :)
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[12:31] <Holden> reider59, yes, tried the heart, clock and musical note a long time ago
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[12:33] <reider59> you can make the custom characters appear to jump down a line too. As in running, hurdles, jumping etc.... good fun, I did a full system of olympic events on the CF ones long ago when a few of the beta testers were having a little time out and fun. then people started asking for the screens. this started moving characters to use with incoming email messages etc when we realised people wanted them.
[12:34] <reider59> even more fun when I got the buttons working and we could script events from them
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> Holden, the thing about Arduino is that it comes bundled with a huge amount of libraries - mostly written in c++ which I don't perosnally like. it's possible to program the arduino hardware right at the bottom level if you need to - which is how I do it - I have my own wiring/serial/i2c/analog libraries, etc. for all my own project work...
[12:34] <Holden> lol, an animation like that could easily fill the 2K of the pic I'm using, reider59
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> the arduino does make it very easy to get started though - one of it's main selling points.
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> Holden, serial eeprom... ?
[12:36] <reider59> I took my lappie to the Camera Club on Monday this week. I also took the Arduino and my LCD Shield. People were taking time out and having fun typing messages in a text file, once saved they appeared on the LCD Module. Something that would have been difficult to set up in the short time we had if I'd taken the wired LCD Modules.
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[12:36] <reider59> It's cool and cheap to own both of them
[12:36] <reider59> and the USB ones too
[12:38] <Holden> gordonDrogon, I agree, it's great for beginners... and I'm not very keen on C++ either.
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> Holden, my feelings is that c++ doesn'tgive you enough control over every byte in an embedded application - ok to get you going maybe, but not for real world situation? I know other disagree though and the compilers are getting better, but I always have that nagging "if" when it comes to embedded stuff and things like dynamic memory allocation, etc.
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[12:43] <Holden> gordonDrogon, yeah, I agree. btw, talking about C and gpio, I have a question: in this example http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals#GPIO_Driving_Example_.28C.29 they use a fixed mapping in mmap(), can't you just use something like this http://codepad.org/UiMlbm1E instead?
[12:44] <bircoe> Arduino is great for someone who doesn't have allot of programming or soldering experience but wants to experiment with mcu's... I've put together a few projects for friends using Arduino Pro Mini's that are still kicking on 2 or 3 years later.
[12:45] <Holden> also they map the first 4K of memory, but the gpio have 41 32-bit registers, so I think 256 bytes would be enough
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[12:45] <gordonDrogon> Holden, possibly. my wiringPi is adapted from that original code though.
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> Holden, I think you need to map a page worth.
[12:46] <Holden> gordonDrogon, I'll have a look at your code then
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> and a page is 4K
[12:46] <Holden> a whole page you say... I though the mapping should start at a page boundary but you could map any size...
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> it might well be worth me going back and having a closer look - to be honest I wanted to get something going as quick as possible, so just copied some of Gerts code...
[12:47] <Holden> I have been running the modified code with a 256 bytes BLOCK and it's working...
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> trouble is, once you have something that works, it's often easier to just leave it working...
[12:47] <Holden> but I wanted a second opinion :)
[12:47] <Holden> lol, yes, I know how it is...
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> going to do a quick check on the pull-up/downs... Gerts questioned my code! :)
[12:49] <Holden> ok, and lunch time for me, laters!
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[12:51] <gordonDrogon> yes, they work...
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[12:56] <ReggieUK> My personal opinion of arduino are they are useful
[12:57] <ReggieUK> not everyone needs optimised code and the libraries are adequate for a lot of stuff
[12:57] <ReggieUK> but of course with the libs already written, you can always add to them if you feel something is missing
[12:58] <Amadiro> Or drop down to plain register-accessing or assembly if you need to... it's just a bit of pre-processing on top of GCC after all
[12:58] <ReggieUK> or you can do the low level atmega coding and do port manipulation should you need to
[12:58] <ReggieUK> for serial code to LCD, why reinvent the wheel?
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[12:59] <steve_rox> cos apple think they can do it better
[12:59] <ReggieUK> but for superfast adc for a little oscope, you would :)
[12:59] <Amadiro> Though I think the IDE is absolutely atrocious, so I much prefer to use my own setup (emacs + makefile) but when I program arduinos I still use their libraries
[12:59] <ReggieUK> again, it's horses for courses there really
[12:59] <ReggieUK> if you're not into dev work and the wrangling that is sometimes needed, the IDE is definitely a bonus
[13:00] <ReggieUK> it's just there
[13:00] <ReggieUK> download, install, code, compile, no messing around building anything yourself, no setting up of paths, compiler etc.
[13:02] <Amadiro> yeah, that's the advantage, but if you have some prior knowledge of programming, you'll want to structure your code into several files, header files and such, and then the IDE starts getting in your way -- and then you have to make the rather big jump to writing your own Makefile and doing everything manually.
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[13:03] <Amadiro> And they have little or no documentation how to convert to a proper build system, program the arduino and such
[13:08] <ReggieUK> avr studio :)
[13:08] <ReggieUK> also free
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> ReggieUK, 'cos clients ask me for non-gpl code...
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> so over time I've built up my own libraries for ATmegas mostly which mimic the arduinos one, but all written in C.
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, vim + makefiles FTW :)
[13:11] <ReggieUK> sure but you're a professional with a vast knowledge, I'd expect someone like you to tailor things specifically
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[13:11] <ReggieUK> you're most definitely not the kind of guy the IDE is aimed at :)
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[13:15] <gordonDrogon> I write my first arduino program using the ide... then got so frustrated with it ... :)
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> however, I ran it up on the Pi and used it to program the ATmega on the Gertboard with it. Only 'blink' but ..
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[13:22] <ReggieUK> see, useful when you needed it in a pinch :)
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[13:26] <gordonDrogon> well - I had to make sure it worked, not so much that I wanted to use it, but that I had to as 100's of others will be using it themselves..
[13:26] <Amadiro> ReggieUK, haven't tried AVR studio, but I really just prefer to use my trusty text editor + makefiles, the rest is just embellishment.
[13:27] <Amadiro> Also, what if I want to program the arduino from the rbpi without having X11 running?
[13:27] <ReggieUK> avr studio gives you everything
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[13:27] <ReggieUK> oh sure, they're not for everyone
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[13:28] <booyaa> is avr studio in the debian repo? or you have to download and compile yourself?
[13:28] <ReggieUK> but then you'd have to be sufficiently proficient in coding to try really, so I think you'd cope ;)
[13:28] <ReggieUK> not sure if avr studio works on linux or not
[13:28] <ReggieUK> it's downloadable from atmel
[13:28] <booyaa> the running arduino code sans ide appeals to me
[13:28] <booyaa> seem to think i could do that using avrdude?
[13:29] <Amadiro> booyaa, sure.
[13:29] <ReggieUK> sure
[13:29] * booyaa is impressed at the results he got when he did apt-cache search avr
[13:29] <Amadiro> booyaa, you can even use all the arduino libraries (so little will change in your code) without the IDE, you'll just have to include the things you use manually.
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[13:29] <ReggieUK> if you can use vi/your favourite editor and gcc for linux stuff then coding for atmega chips will be similar
[13:29] <booyaa> 22 hits
[13:29] <Amadiro> booyaa, yes, AVR is a popular architecture
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[13:30] <ReggieUK> avr studio also has the jtag/debug stuff along with a simulator for the chips
[13:31] <Amadiro> Looks like AVRStudio is not available for linux
[13:33] <ReggieUK> looks like it's wine or a vm if you want to use avr-studio in linux
[13:33] <ReggieUK> http://www.avrfreaks.net/modules/FreaksArticles/files/601/AVR_Studio_on_Linux.pdf
[13:33] <ReggieUK> which is a pity
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[13:37] <gordonDrogon> I've had a couple of people ask me about using editor & make for ATmega stuff - it's on the "list of things to blog about"... which seems to be getting longer and longer ...
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> no bad thing, I guess!
[13:37] <RaTTuS|BIG> wow - I think I've found what must be the lightest 12V switched power supply - 64g
[13:38] <RaTTuS|BIG> it's for a 8 port nic and I dont think I'm going to use it - I'll use another I have
[13:38] <crenn> gordonDrogon: I have about 3 pages of stuff to 'blog/make tutorial/report progress' on my website.... should get around to it at some time
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[13:42] <bircoe> you still abotu gordon?
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[13:46] <Skrotus> hellos
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> hi
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[13:50] <Skrotus> I want to do something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzk1yCYJmg0 but with a gertboard rather than an arduino, can someone tell me if that's reasonable?
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[13:51] <gordonDrogon> Skrotus, yes (is the easy answer)
[13:51] <Skrotus> hah :P
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> you can use the ATmega on the Gertboard to control the servos via PWM in exactly the way that system in doing it.
[13:51] <bircoe> Skrotus, all you need to drive servos is PWM... if gertboard has PWM pins then yes
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> what you then need to do is send commands to the ATmega via the serial line to tell it what to set the PWM outputs to.
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> Gertboard only has one PWM from the Pi, so possible, but only for one servo...
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[13:52] <TheBrayn> do you know any good asm (not inline) tutorials for the rpi processor?
[13:52] <Skrotus> thanks gordonDrogon and bircoe
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[13:53] <kulminaator> you mean books armv6 asm ?
[13:53] <TheBrayn> uhm it can be a book
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[13:54] <TheBrayn> at long as it teaches you to write complete programs which can be executed and not just pieces of code
[13:55] <Skrotus> hmmm but I think I need to control 2 servos?
[13:56] <bircoe> gordonDrogon, your PHP suggestions worked...
[13:56] <bircoe> http://pastebin.com/h4RnhMJF
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, great!
[13:56] <bircoe> still not a fan of exec but atleast it works
[13:56] <TheBrayn> wtf?
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, hm. I use system() in php - probably a legacy of using in it C, but yes, it's a bit of a hack...
[13:57] <kulminaator> i am pretty sure there's a bunch of arm assembly on the net, maybe even on arm's own website ... no idea about nice userguide books though
[13:57] <bircoe> now to get to building my HAVAC controller!
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> I'm sort of thinking that maybe programs ought to be in 2 parts - one, a simple shell-script that runs the gpio export commands to setup the pin's then the main program (in whatever language, php, C, python, etc.) just uses them
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[13:58] <kulminaator> i dont think there is that much to gain from rpi's cpu if switching from C to asm ... a slow cpu will remain a slow cpu, even if the code is harder to write
[13:58] <TheBrayn> who uses php for desktop programs?
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> I do.
[13:59] <bircoe> TheBrayn, who said it's for desktop
[13:59] <bircoe> ?
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> all my billing, accounting and invoiving is written in php, run from the command-line or as parts of other scripts.
[13:59] <bircoe> but he's right, PHP is a very convenient language.
[14:00] <bircoe> My wife runs her business via a PHP/MySQL web app
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> lots of it around. some of my commercial stuff runs via a web page - stuff like setting up new customers, etc. that's easy to do via the web with nice forms, etc.
[14:01] <TheBrayn> I'm writing a lot of php code but I would never use it for desktop programs
[14:01] <bircoe> if you can access it via a web server it's not exactly a desktop app is it?
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> maybe it depends on the application. I find it easier to use than writing shell scripts these days.
[14:02] <bircoe> much more pwoerful too
[14:02] <kulminaator> how is a web browser as a display different from an X server which is also just a display
[14:02] <kulminaator> it's all in your head
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> desktop, command-line, web .... just different ways to access data. it's all code at the end of the day.
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[14:03] <bircoe> I use PHP at work for (amung other things) creating active directory accounts for new users
[14:03] <kulminaator> anyone having a nice ebook link for an opengl es book ?
[14:03] <kulminaator> seems to be the only api right now that is ready for use
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[14:04] <bircoe> anyhoo... off to bed, last day of the work week, must get an early start.
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[14:05] <MasterGeek> theres some great php based music production apps like >>> http://tinyurl.com/dytd4mv
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> Ah, an antipodean...
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[14:22] <iron_houzi> Hi - Just wondering what sensor I need to simply detect contact with water.
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> a float sensor.
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> completely enclosed, no wet contacts, simple.
[14:23] <sundancer> iron_houzi try on google images, electronic water sensor
[14:23] <sundancer> many options
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> unles it's to detect rain on a windscreeen....
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[14:25] <iron_houzi> No - water level. But not actually the one with a strip that can tell what level the water is currently at, just a simple "the water has reached this point" input
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> float sensor is easiest then.
[14:27] <iron_houzi> Also, what would be a good book to read to get the basic understanding needed to connect sensors with a RPi?
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/level-sensors-switches/7259861/
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> for example. more exensive than I thought though.
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> not sure there is a good right now. lots on my site though - https://projects.drogon.net/
[14:30] <Hodapp> morning!
[14:30] <iron_houzi> gordonDrogon: Thank you.
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[14:37] <Amadiro> iron_houzi, if you only want to detect water reaching a certain point (and then possibly reacting to it in some way), maybe using a small chip/MCU would be simpler. Arduinos (and many of the available cheaper arduino clones) have 5V tolerant pins, and are easier to use for that purpose.
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[14:37] <Amadiro> iron_houzi, a rbpi is probably more appropriate if you need to do complex calculations, visualizations, networking or multitasking or so
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[14:39] <InControl> could use a float and microswitch
[14:40] <InControl> or even have two electrodes measuring the resistance if it is just water
[14:40] <iron_houzi> Amadiro: I already bought my Rpi and because I am familiar with Linux it will be a lot of fun using it for my project. What chip/MCU would you suggest that I get for my specified purpose?
[14:40] <Amadiro> iron_houzi, what is it you're doing exactly?
[14:41] <Gadget-Work> gordonDrogon, cheaper on ebay
[14:41] <iron_houzi> InControl: This is more what I was thinking of - simple electrodes
[14:41] <Gadget-Work> iron_houzi, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PP-Side-Mount-Horizontal-Water-Level-Sensor-Liquid-Float-Switch-for-Tank-Pool-UK-/290743273978?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item43b1a649fa#ht_5615wt_1222
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[14:41] <InControl> if you fed the electrode in to the base of a transistor you could have a simple on/off switch
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[14:41] <iron_houzi> Amadiro: I'm doing home monitoring.
[14:42] <Amadiro> iron_houzi, so you're sending the water level to some other sort of computer or what?
[14:42] <InControl> long term problem would be corrosion on the electrode
[14:42] <Gadget-Work> IF you want in invasive level measurement you could consider ultrasound
[14:42] <iron_houzi> Yes, then I can have it trigger a series of scripted events.
[14:43] <Amadiro> iron_houzi, well, there are lots of ways to go about it, depends on what kind and how much periphery you need to control
[14:43] <Jck_true> iron_houzi: Sadly the RaspPi doesn't have an analog input - So you either need an extension board - Or Arduino Ahttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainless-Steel-Double-Balls-Right-Angle-Water-Level-Sensor-Float-Switch-/190705926106?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item2c66f57fda
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[14:45] <Gadgetoid> Arduino ftw!
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[14:46] <Amadiro> iron_houzi, there is for instance the teensy, which you can connect to a rbpi using usb, it's smaller and cheaper than the arduino and has analog inputs (though they are just as low-quality as the ones the arduino has), if you, on the other hand, need tons of pins to control periphery and sensors and you need a good deal of processing power for averaging/integrating/etc, have a look at the UNO32, which has a *very* powerful PIC32mx
[14:46] <Amadiro> chip (runs at 80MHz with 32 bit)
[14:46] <Gadgetoid> Gives more precise timing, too, than you could get with the RPi and any buffer or IO expander afaik
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> I really think that for simple level checking, full or not full, then keep it simple...
[14:47] <Jck_true> Gadgetoid: I just ordered a Nano :) and a 4.5 4wiretouch screen - Just need to figure out the software part of getting the input to LIRC commands now :)
[14:48] <Hodapp> I wonder, when we look back 30 years from this, which designs are going to stand out. Arduino is likely going to be in there.
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> The Pi will make it, I reckon.
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[14:48] <Amadiro> Hodapp, for its user-friendlyness, yes, but not for it's design as far as technical merit goes :)
[14:48] <pdanek> What makes RaspberryPi better than dozens of similar alternatives?
[14:49] <pdanek> Btw Hello :)
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[14:49] <Hodapp> pdanek: Nothing. The RPi doesn't actually exist.
[14:49] <Amadiro> pdanek, depends on which dozens of similar alternatives you are considering
[14:49] <Hodapp> Amadiro: It won't be about user-friendliness or technical merits, but about what designs were wildly popular.
[14:49] <Jck_true> pdanek: Price - userbase
[14:49] <Amadiro> pdanek, it probably gives you more bang for the buck than most alternatives
[14:49] <Hodapp> Beagleboards are nice, for instance, but a bit pricier.
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[14:50] <Amadiro> Hodapp, well, they have a MCU that's more powerful by orders of magnitudes
[14:50] <Amadiro> hardly seems fair to compare them
[14:51] <Hodapp> Amadiro: I think they occupy a somewhat similar niche, really.
[14:51] <pdanek> Is anyone here actually using RPi as everyday home computer?
[14:51] * Hodapp isn't.
[14:52] <Tu13es> woohoo
[14:52] <Tu13es> my rpi finally shipped
[14:52] <Amadiro> pdanek, not as desktop computer, but I'm using it as backup storage server and various other such networking services
[14:52] <Hodapp> however, if my laptop shits the bed, I am well aware that I COULD browse, SSH, and develop on an RPi.
[14:52] <reider59> nice one
[14:52] <Hodapp> and that's kind of nice really.
[14:52] <Gadgetoid> Jck_true: Ooo, shinies!
[14:52] <Hodapp> Tu13es: finally? how long?
[14:52] <Gadgetoid> Jck_true: is that the DS touch screen?
[14:52] <Tu13es> couple weeks i guess
[14:52] <Tu13es> longer than i expected considering newark said they had like 100 in stock when i ordered
[14:53] <Gadgetoid> Ah 4.5, that's big
[14:53] <Jck_true> Nah - Just a generic 4?? inch for gps according to the product description :)
[14:53] <Amadiro> Hodapp, as far as processing power and features go, the beaglebone would (should?) be more in the niche of the rbpi... look at all the features it has
[14:53] <Hodapp> Tu13es: well that ain't fair. Mine came from Newark in about a week after they said it'd be about 5-6 week lead time.
[14:53] <Tu13es> hehe
[14:53] <Gadgetoid> I almost bought a PandaBoard waiting for the Pi
[14:53] <Tu13es> yeah
[14:54] <Gadgetoid> pdanek: I use the Pi as an everyday home server, but can't abide desktop linux
[14:56] <Jck_true> Gadgetoid: Cut peice of acrylic plastic to 4?? inches in size - Engrave icons mirroed on the back - Stick the touch film on front - Connect the Nano to the film - Write software to decode the touches to key presses - make a vertical stand so it fits ontop of the stereo
[14:56] <kulminaator> i dont imagine rpi being powerful enough to be your home pc
[14:56] <Gadgetoid> Jck_true: like the idea!
[14:56] <Amadiro> kulminaator, you can do it, but there are a few problems with it
[14:57] <kulminaator> it's actually not that terrible on the cpu/gpu side, but the amount of memory is way to small for the applications that you count casual these days
[14:57] <Hodapp> kulminaator: notably, though, my main desktop for years was slower than an RPi and had less RAM.
[14:57] <Hodapp> kulminaator: given, software has gotten larger since then but much of what I use is the same. The biggest difference I can think of is in web pages getting heavier.
[14:57] <Jck_true> Depends what kinda user you are - A pure terminal interface - nano/vim/lynx that works fine
[14:57] <kulminaator> yes, but did you have 5 tabs open in a firefox in it ?
[14:57] <Amadiro> kulminaator, obviously you need to run a lightweight environment; the lack of a RTC is annoying; and the sound output is very low-quality, so you can't listen to music. But for other things like developing, browsing and such, it will probably work just fine.
[14:58] <Hodapp> kulminaator: No, because it was called Firebird at the time, but I did regularly have a dozen or so tabs open in it.
[14:58] <kulminaator> i think i'll disagree on the browsing part :D
[14:58] <Amadiro> kulminaator, I haven't used recent versions of firefox, but if it's still as bloated as it used to be, you probably want to use opera.
[14:58] <Hodapp> kulminaator: Disagree with what?
[14:58] <Jck_true> Yeah the browser really is uesless :)
[14:58] <TheBrayn> I'd use a webkit browser on the rpi
[14:58] <kulminaator> the memory use of firebird from a few years back is not the usage of memory of applications these days
[14:58] <TheBrayn> like midori, luakit or uzbl
[14:59] <Hodapp> kulminaator: Who here claimed otherwise?
[14:59] <Jck_true> Worth a try - Chrome was impossible to use atleast loading gmail took +1minut at full CPU load
[15:00] <Jck_true> Gadgetoid: Hope it works out in the end :)
[15:00] <Gadgetoid> Just rewind the entire internet to 10 years ago and browsing on the Pi would be easy!
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[15:00] <Amadiro> kulminaator, 256 megs of ram is not that little, I've used a thinkpad for a long time that had only that much ram (2002-2007 or so), works fine if you keep track on what is running, what uses most memory and so on.
[15:00] <kulminaator> memory of people here seems .. interesting ...
[15:01] <Amadiro> It's obviously limited compared to a real desktop, so you can't have the same expectations, but it does work
[15:01] <kulminaator> about 12 years ago i owned a pentium that most likely had simiral amounts of ram ...
[15:01] <Hodapp> My desktop for awhile had 48 MB and ran in X, though I did upgrade to 96 MB RAM rather quickly.
[15:01] <Hodapp> that was on a Pentium 120.
[15:01] <kulminaator> a lot of bloat has been added to software in these 12 years ...
[15:02] <mru> much of it is called gnome
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[15:02] <Gadget-Work> Amadiro, I've had no problems listening to music on my Pi, what SW are you using ?
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[15:03] <Hodapp> kulminaator: When I used machines 10 years ago, a lot of software was still too bloated to run on my machine which was behind the curve to begin with. There are still lighter alternatives out there for a great many things.
[15:03] <markllama> "No one will need more than 4MB of memory in a computer" Me, sitting at my VT102 in front of a VAX 750 ~1988
[15:03] <mru> firefox currently at 1.2G here...
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[15:03] <Amadiro> Gadget-Mac, all of them. You're probably using the HDMI sound output, I was thinking of the audio jack, which has pretty abysmal quality.
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[15:03] <Hodapp> really, is the audio that bad?
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[15:03] <Hodapp> I haven't used it
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[15:04] <TheBrayn> are there any speakers which support hdmi?
[15:04] <ReggieUK> the audio jack is known to have audio that isn't quite as good as you'd like
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[15:04] <Amadiro> Hodapp, lots of white noise and clipping, wouldn't listen to music on it.
[15:04] <kulminaator> i have only streamed audio through hdmi, worked fine there
[15:04] <ReggieUK> you could of course build your own codec breakout board and connect it to the i2s pins on the pi though :)
[15:04] <Hodapp> is it digital in HDMI?
[15:04] <Amadiro> Hodapp, yes.
[15:04] <Gadgetoid> I remember browsing t'internet with between 2-8mb RAM??? can't???even...comprehend...
[15:04] <Hodapp> ah, okay. I thought it could carry both... good that it's digital.
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> on-board is good for playing doom ..
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> at least that's all I've ever tried on it :)
[15:05] <Hodapp> Gadgetoid: I remember watching flash videos on a Pentium II, 233 MHz, with 96 MB RAM.
[15:05] <Amadiro> Hodapp, I don't think HDMI carries analog-anything, but I haven't read the spec
[15:05] <ReggieUK> indeed, I guess it depends on what you use it for
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[15:05] <Hodapp> Amadiro: I *think* it can also carry analog audio. Maybe.
[15:05] <mjr> no
[15:05] <ReggieUK> for a flac player, it's probably not your first choice of output :D
[15:05] <ReggieUK> but as a webradio player or sound from games, it's probably just fine
[15:06] <mru> hdmi is all digital
[15:06] <Amadiro> ReggieUK, games, probably, I probably wouldn't use it as webradio player... it's a pity, though, the rbpi would make a nice jukebox.
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[15:06] <mru> unless you count the +5V standby as analogue
[15:06] <ReggieUK> mru, ahahahaha :D
[15:07] <Hodapp> mru: I'm sure no one can tell the difference if you play Scrillex over that..
[15:07] <mru> and I have read the spec
[15:07] <ReggieUK> I guess it entirely depends on what you're prepared to accept
[15:07] <ReggieUK> I listen to stuff on my computer via the speakers built into the monitor
[15:07] <ReggieUK> so the sound will never ever be that good, no matter how good the original signal
[15:08] * mru would not do that
[15:08] <mru> not when there's a decent hifi system a few feet away
[15:08] <Jck_true> My monitor decodes the HDMI audio signal so
[15:08] <Amadiro> ReggieUK, well, I'm by no means an audiophile and listen to most of my music using some cheapo AC97 built-in soundchip I have in my laptop on a cheap 5.1 no-name surround system, but I find the distortions from the rbpi rather grating
[15:08] <ReggieUK> that would be a bit annoying if it's constantly
[15:09] <Hodapp> I don't know if my monitor will do HDMI audio... I've had it 2 years and only used DVI & VGA.
[15:09] <Hodapp> hmmm.
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[15:09] <Gadgetoid> I want the guts to do this to a Pi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQDZbPXMrBc
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[15:11] <Jck_true> You can get devices that gives you an analog output from a HDMI signal - But if i remember correctly thoose are around 100?? - Just buy a decent usb soundcard instead
[15:12] <Amadiro> I wonder if you could build such a device yourself without resorting to an expensive FPGA
[15:12] <Amadiro> Maybe there are some MCUs that feature HDMI in ports
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> nope
[15:13] <mru> hdmi inputs are rare as hen's teeth
[15:13] <SpeedEvil> not easy ones
[15:13] <Hodapp> "For digital audio, if an HDMI device supports audio, it is required to support the baseline format: stereo (uncompressed) PCM."
[15:13] <Hodapp> Is this what the RPi does?
[15:15] <Hodapp> course, even if PCM is simple to decode, you'd still have to extract it from the TMDS
[15:15] <iron_houzi> Jck_true: Thank you for this vital information (Pi lacking ADC). I found this IC @ http://www.adafruit.com/products/856 - Will I need one of theese IC's per sensor, or can I connect several sensors to it?
[15:15] <Amadiro> Gadgetoid, I had to take the video port out of mine, but I left the rest in.
[15:16] <Amadiro> (the composite cinch port, I mean)
[15:16] <Jck_true> iron_houzi: Should do it - There's even a complete guide :) - http://learn.adafruit.com/reading-a-analog-in-and-controlling-audio-volume-with-the-raspberry-pi
[15:18] <Gadgetoid> Amadiro: I wasn't much taken by the idea that the Pi should be stuffed into the Retrode case. I'd prefer a form-fitting case that could set underneath and break out some of the Pi's connections for other uses
[15:18] <iron_houzi> Jck_true: Indeed. But can I connect several sensors to one of these ADC IC's, or do I need one per sensor?
[15:19] <Amadiro> Gadgetoid, I don't really know what the retrode does
[15:19] <Jck_true> iron_houzi: You only need one - Got 8 analog inputs
[15:20] <Gadgetoid> Amadiro: It's basically a classic game cartridge to USB converter
[15:20] <Amadiro> Gadgetoid, so you can access the cartridges as block device or what?
[15:20] <iron_houzi> Jck_true: THank you so much for your patience and helping a noob out. Have a nice day!
[15:20] <Gadgetoid> Amadiro: they appear as a regular, emulator readable ROM dump on emulated USB mass storage
[15:21] <Jck_true> iron_houzi: No worries - Figured i would throw you this myself - http://files.furyfire.info/LCDProc/IMG_5899.JPG
[15:21] <Gadgetoid> In many cases you can also save/load states to them
[15:21] <Amadiro> Gadgetoid, I see.
[15:21] <Gadgetoid> It's a pretty redundant piece of kit unless you are very particularly attached to the physical action of inserting a cart to play a game
[15:21] <Amadiro> Or afraid that ROMs might get you in legal trouble, I suppose?
[15:22] <iron_houzi> Jck_true: Very cool! I am so excited about my RPi!
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[15:23] <Gadgetoid> Amadiro: Yes, although I'd suspect you would need to be monstrously paranoid to think a handful of ROM files would inspire much wrath??? unless they contained pop music somehow
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[15:24] <Amadiro> Gadgetoid, well, I know a few people who are very paranoid about these kind of things... but I guess the main appeal for most buyers is the retro-feel.
[15:24] <Gadgetoid> Amadiro: at the very least it means you can take your own ROM dumps, although the legality of those is still uncertain
[15:25] <Jck_true> iron_houzi: That's the I2C bus I'm using for the display - Ordered a second one today - And Along with an RTC clock and a 12 digit 7segment display for SPI
[15:26] <Gadgetoid> What RTCs are people using?
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[15:27] <Gadgetoid> Not sure what to make of this: http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/raspberry-pi/real-time-clock
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[15:28] <iron_houzi> Jck_true: Can you use the i2c bus as well as other analogue sensors connected through the GPIO/ADC chip?
[15:28] <vrodic> and raspbmc people arround? how come we need 128 MB for the GPU?
[15:29] <vrodic> *any*
[15:29] <sam> vrodic: you can choose to use less
[15:29] <vrodic> sam, yeah i know but i was wondering why raspbmc people chose 128 MB
[15:30] <sam> to store enough video frames on the GPU
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[15:30] <vrodic> sam, the datasheet states that 32 megs is to low for full 1080p video playback, i assumed that means that 2x more should be enough :)
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[15:31] <vrodic> *too*
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[15:32] <sam> 32 MiB would be barely enough to store 5 frames, I don't think that'd give you smooth playback
[15:34] <Jck_true> vrodic: AFAIK 1080p Video decoding needs 128mb ram for the GPU
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[15:34] <Jck_true> Gadgetoid: Same component that I've ordered
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[15:34] <vrodic> from the datasheet: "The split between ARM and GPU memory is selected by installing one of the supplied
[15:34] <vrodic> start*.elf files as start.elf in the FAT32 boot partition of the SD card. The minimum amount
[15:34] <vrodic> of memory which can be given to the GPU is 32MB, but that will restrict the multimedia performance; for example, 32MB does not provide enough buffering for the GPU to do 1080p30 video decoding."
[15:35] <Jck_true> iron_houzi: The ADC you looked on uses the SPI bus - I2C is on seperate pins on the RaspberryPi
[15:35] <vrodic> sam, Jck_true, still 128 seems a bit high. it would be nice to know how the VC code uses that memory
[15:36] <sam> vrodic: for playback I think 96 would be enough, maybe 64 if all goes well
[15:36] <sam> but raspbmc uses texture memory for other things
[15:36] <Jck_true> iron_houzi: I haven't played much with the GPIO yet (Main becaise I aint got much hardware to play with) - But my I2C lcd display worked pretty well for me atleast
[15:37] <vrodic> sam, ah, thanks, do you have any links/references for that!
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, oddly enough I was just looking at the 8-pin DIL version of that RTC chip.
[15:38] <sam> vrodic: no, just from seeing the xbmc interface and from my experience on working on media players
[15:38] <Gadgetoid> Jck_true: gordonDrogon: good to know :D I might pick one up when I grab all their Pi accessories
[15:38] <vrodic> sam, xbmc code is open, right?
[15:38] <sam> vrodic: yes
[15:39] <Jck_true> DS1307 clock for 6.10USD with an I2C interface- http://dx.com/p/tiny-rtc-i2c-24c32-ds1307-real-time-clock-module-for-arduino-146677?Utm_rid=58973692 -
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[15:50] <vrodic> sam, are you raspbmc guy, if you are i just donated 20 USD, thumbs up :)
[15:50] <Neutron5> running everything as root always fixes all problems
[15:50] <vrodic> sam, sorry, you're not :)
[15:53] <sam> vrodic: nope, VLC guy here :)
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[16:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> vrodic you can donate to me if you want ,.,,, I accept all forms of payment ;-p
[16:09] <vrodic> RaTTuS|BIG, hehe, if you wrote some software i use, maybe :)
[16:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> ;-p
[16:12] <booyaa> ?chat /last mongrel
[16:12] <booyaa> whoops
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[16:21] <mongrelion> booyaa: hey
[16:21] <mongrelion> good morning, guys.
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[16:23] <booyaa> hey dude, yeah ignore all that smacktalk about getting node 0.8.6 working on pi
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[16:23] <mongrelion> lol
[16:23] <booyaa> compiled but gave me fail te moment i tried to do anything serious
[16:23] <booyaa> i've reverted back to 8.4
[16:23] <mongrelion> from where did you get 8.4?
[16:23] <booyaa> just got that branch
[16:24] <booyaa> do you want me to tarball it and make that available?
[16:24] <mongrelion> sure. but somehow, make install took a long time, though.
[16:24] <booyaa> i might reconfigure so all you have to is cp the bin dir
[16:24] <booyaa> yeah i forgot about that, might be easier if i do that before hand, will prolly require me to set a destdir
[16:25] <booyaa> do you have the required deps though? the library wills till expect them
[16:26] <booyaa> mm looks like deps are minor git-core and builde-essential
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[16:26] <mongrelion> what about v8? where does node expect it to be?
[16:26] <mongrelion> embedded into node itself?
[16:27] <booyaa> i think i gets pulled down when you grab node
[16:27] <booyaa> grab see git clone
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[16:31] <Gadgetoid> Ho ho, another person trying to compile Node?
[16:32] <mongrelion> yes.
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[16:41] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: yeah we teried getting 0.8.6
[16:41] <booyaa> looked like everything compiled got output from node -v
[16:42] <booyaa> then i tried to run a script no dice :D
[16:42] <Gadgetoid> Curious
[16:42] <booyaa> the patch that gflarity provide just helps v8 compile
[16:43] <booyaa> https://github.com/gflarity/node_pi/blob/master/v0.8.2-release-raspberrypi.patch
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[16:43] <booyaa> i think the biggest prob is that i'm unable to complete make test
[16:43] <booyaa> i should increase the swap on my pi to see if it helps
[16:43] <Gadgetoid> I haven't tried recompiling since I switched back to an SD card from an HDD
[16:44] <booyaa> this has got me wondering, would the "make test" actually work on a cross compiler?
[16:44] <booyaa> would some sort of emulation jiggerypokery kick in?
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[16:59] <chithead> booyaa: depends on what is going to be tested, and whether the build system correctly uses HOSTCC and BUILDCC
[17:00] <booyaa> chithead: this was leading on from the building node.js for the pi
[17:00] <booyaa> would i see those variables be defined when i run configure?
[17:00] <booyaa> or more likely to appear in the Makefile?
[17:01] <chithead> nodejs uses scons, no? I'm surprised that it cross-compiles at all
[17:02] <booyaa> chithead: not tried it yet, done all my compilation natively
[17:03] <booyaa> mongrelion gave it a go but hit fail
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[17:09] <mongrelion> yeah, but I think I lacked of some libraries.
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[17:09] <mongrelion> anyways, there should be a way to cross compile it.
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[17:09] <booyaa> we will work it out
[17:10] <booyaa> or die trying
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[17:11] <mongrelion> amen
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[17:12] <booyaa> that or give up and go for a beer
[17:12] <mongrelion> I don't drink anymore, so perhaps a glass of milk or yogurt
[17:14] <Tz1m1sc3> what about some C8H10N4O2 ?
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[17:18] <booyaa> caffeine?
[17:18] <booyaa> poppers?
[17:19] <Tz1m1sc3> caffeine yeah
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[17:20] <TheBrayn> C???H??????N???O??? <- here, proper
[17:21] <Tz1m1sc3> need lot of caffeine while compiling directly on the pi btw ^^'
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[17:24] <w0m> <-- idiot
[17:24] <Hodapp> w0m: why do you think you're an idiot?
[17:24] <w0m> i just spent 30 minutes trying to figure out why all of a sudden i coudln't ssh to my pi all of a sudden
[17:24] <w0m> it and one of my laptops swapped ip's; i have different accounts on each
[17:25] <Hodapp> my favorite was when my friend was wanting to do a tcpdump of all traffic on a box
[17:25] <w0m> (just 'access denied')
[17:25] <sam> science says that next time you'll understand a lot faster
[17:25] <Hodapp> so he _SSHed in_ to do the tcpdump
[17:28] <Amadiro> Hodapp, what's the problem with that? Did he try to pipe the TCP dump back through the ssh channel while it was running?
[17:29] <Hodapp> uh, yes, he was tcpdumping interactively
[17:29] <Amadiro> Heh.
[17:30] <mongrelion> stupid was to think that the raspberry pi wasn't working but the reality was that it was not plugged to the tv :extreme face palm:
[17:31] <TheBrayn> don't hurt yourself
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[17:38] <mru> Hodapp: so he should have filtered out the ssh session he was running the command in
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[17:42] <Hodapp> ...
[17:43] <Kanerix> Don't facepalm so hard that you break your nose.
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[17:47] <mikma> http://rapidimg.org/images/hC618.jpg
[17:48] <hotwings> PC Pro magazine has rpi on the cover, hmm
[17:48] <hotwings> hah yeah
[17:49] <hotwings> apparently you noticed it too mikma :)
[17:50] <mikma> hah
[17:50] <mikma> nice timing?
[17:50] <hotwings> yup
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[18:02] <Gadgetoid> Learn to code a raspberry pi?
[18:02] <Gadgetoid> Is that even a valid sentence??? *facepalm*
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[18:07] <xiambax> lol
[18:08] <xiambax> For educational purposes bro. Educate
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[18:24] <peba> hello from vienna
[18:24] <IT_Sean> Hello from earth.
[18:25] <hotwings> well, heres a clip from that `learn to code the raspberry pi` cover story:
[18:25] <hotwings> "The ??15 Raspberry Pi is a computing sensation, but it was originally designed with one key
[18:25] <hotwings> intention: to inspire a new generation to look beyond games consoles, smartphones and tablets, and embrace the way of code.
[18:25] <hotwings> The Raspberry Pi comes with a selection of programming environments pre-baked into its Debian-based
[18:25] <hotwings> Linux distribution, but the easiest way to get started is with Scratch. Created by the Media Lab at MIT, Scratch was designed to teach children the fundamentals of programming, without the need to learn complex syntax.
[18:25] <hotwings> Scratch allows users to drag and drop characters and objects into a game environment, then program their actions using building blocks, which are grouped into colour-coded categories such as Controls, Motion, Operators and Sensing. By dragging and dropping these into place you can create surprisingly sophisticated interactive stories, animations and games, then share them with a global
[18:25] <hotwings> community of students and developers."
[18:25] <hotwings> the article then goes on to teach you how to drag and drop ... :\
[18:25] <peba> How much time to the polyfuses on the RPI need to work again, when I made a shortcut ?
[18:26] <IT_Sean> It isn"t ??15, first of all....
[18:26] <IT_Sean> But, yeah, looks like a crap article.
[18:26] <hotwings> its complete crap. most of it is screenshots of dragging & dropping stuff. that is _not_ what i would call `learning to code`
[18:27] <IT_Sean> Agreed.
[18:28] <Amadiro> hotwings, meh, whatever, if it gets kids started in thinking about these kind of things, mission accomplished
[18:28] <Meatballs> its got loops and conditionals in it
[18:28] <Amadiro> They'll have plenty of time to learn how to code properly
[18:28] <Meatballs> just you dont have to type them
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[18:30] <Meatballs> which is a nice introduction for primary kids rather than all their code not working because of a missing ; or incorrect indentation
[18:31] <hotwings> Amadiro - calling the _cover story_ `learn to code a raspberry pi` is a bit misleading imo, and its not exactly doing a lot of teaching in that article
[18:31] <IT_Sean> True, but, it isn't want I would call 'proper programming'
[18:31] <muep> how does scratch prevent code not working because something was dragged and dropped slightly wrong?
[18:31] <hotwings> it actually _is_ possible to teach kids/beginners using more than drag & drop
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[18:31] <Meatballs> auto snaps muep ><
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[18:32] <Amadiro> hotwings, well, I was more talking about the actual Scratch thing. I guess magazines like those don't tend to really have any in-depth material ever, and the intent of the article is probably more to make people comfortable with approaching the software
[18:32] <muep> I actually tried the scratch thing when I first ran the RPi squeeze image, and I could not get it do what I wanted despite already knowing how to program
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[18:32] <Meatballs> thats how I feel when I start looking at ruby code :p
[18:34] <dennistlg> benchmarked 160gb external 2,5" hdd 16-18mb/s sdcard 21-23mb/s
[18:34] <Amadiro> If we're nitpicking about what constitutes proper programming: you can't properly program the rbpi anyway, since the specs for the SoC broadcomm are not public, so the best you can do is learn to program an ARM linux environment with a native vfp ABI
[18:34] <Amadiro> (or reverse-engineer everything)
[18:34] <hotwings> theyre pretty clear about their intent
[18:35] <hotwings> they should have called the article "Learn how to use Scratch", not "Learn to code a Raspberry Pi"
[18:35] <Amadiro> Magazines editorializing their headlines? Unheard of!
[18:37] <Tz1m1sc3> ^^'
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[18:43] <Tz1m1sc3> i'm coding, actualy, not on the rpi
[18:44] <hotwings> what are you working on?
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[18:46] <Tz1m1sc3> some vhdl stuff for my Spartan 3E
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[18:54] <ziltro2> The more you read news on subjects about which you know, the more you realise all news is lies and written by people who don't know anything. :)
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[18:55] <Amadiro> ziltro2, that's why there are journals et cetera -- they might seem boring and technical, but they are written by people who know what they're doing and don't editorialize :)
[18:55] <ziltro2> So it is boring or lies? ;)
[18:56] <Amadiro> ziltro2, pretty much, yeah.
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[19:22] <nwjlyons> Anyone know why the my raspberry pi wont recognise my USB keyboard (http://bit.ly/OO1h5G)? I've tried Arch Linux ARM and also Raspian
[19:22] <muep> have you tried with a different kind of USB keyboard?
[19:22] <Patteh> it doesnt recognise silver keyboards
[19:22] <nwjlyons> yes I've also tried with a dell keyboard
[19:23] <muep> do you have other things besides the keyboard connected?
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[19:23] <nwjlyons> no other usb cables are plugged in
[19:23] <ladoga> and the dell one works?
[19:23] <nwjlyons> the dell one doesn't work
[19:24] <muep> is your power supply a sufficient one?
[19:24] <nwjlyons> this is the first time i've tried to boot my raspberry pi.
[19:24] <nwjlyons> my power supply is the usb port on my laptop
[19:24] <Lasse^> that is not enough.
[19:24] <nwjlyons> do you think that isn't enough?
[19:24] <nwjlyons> ok
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[19:27] <ladoga> use some microusb cellphone "charger"
[19:27] <ladoga> those should give enough power
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[19:29] <ziltro2> what does dmesg show when plugging in the keyboard?
[19:30] <ladoga> ziltro2: let him fix the power supply first
[19:31] <ziltro2> AH ok, hadn't read that far...
[19:31] <ladoga> im suprised it even boots from laptop usb:)
[19:32] <ziltro2> Yeah, you'd think laptops would have power management and stuff.
[19:32] <Amadiro> well, usb does deliver 500mA per spec, and most usb ports will probably be willing to give you a little more than that too
[19:33] <ziltro2> I'd expect a regular desktop USB port to be more likely to work.
[19:33] <nwjlyons> it's still not recognised. i'm using this plug (http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB706B/B)
[19:34] <nwjlyons> it says 5V output and 1A output
[19:34] <Amadiro> nwjlyons, that's definitely enough
[19:34] <Amadiro> nwjlyons, can you try to connect the keyboard to a normal linux box and see if the kernel says anything?
[19:34] <ziltro2> Can I ask what dmesg says now? ;)
[19:35] <ladoga> sure:D
[19:35] <Lasse^> haha :)
[19:35] <ziltro2> ... wait, how the hell is he going to type 'dmesg'?
[19:36] <ziltro2> I think that was an almost good idea... :|
[19:36] <ladoga> ssh
[19:36] <Lasse^> If he installed the raspbian version, there is ssh.
[19:36] <ziltro2> That would work
[19:36] <nwjlyons> oh so raspbian has openssh server installed?
[19:36] <nwjlyons> i will try to ssh in
[19:37] <Amadiro> Some people measured energy consumption as "Peaks at 475mA ~ 515mA when: mouse in use + CPU stress, composite video, LXDE/X11 on, ethernet" (http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6050&start=50) A laptop USB port would probably be okay delivering that (assuming the usb host controller does not complain because the device didn't register first)
[19:37] <ladoga> Amadiro: good to know
[19:38] <nwjlyons> anyone know how i would find the ip if I can't type ifconfig?
[19:38] <ladoga> IIRC wiki talks about 700mA needed, so i thought it was more
[19:38] <ziltro2> nwjlyons: Look on your DHCP server (router?)
[19:38] <Amadiro> USB delivers at least 500mA (2.5W) per spec, but is only obligated to do so after the device has registered and told the host controller that it actually wants that much power (before that, it's only allowed 100mA, I think)... most controllers probably don't care
[19:39] <Lasse^> yes, 700mA with no devices connected, so a peak at 500mA is quite low, but nice.
[19:39] <Amadiro> nwjlyons, just scan the network with nmap
[19:39] <Amadiro> ladoga, might be more for the B model, I haven't yet made any measurements myself
[19:40] <Amadiro> definitely more if you start attaching power-hungry usb devices...
[19:40] <Tz1m1sc3> on raspbian the pi tell you it's own ip at boot time a bit before asking for the login
[19:40] <ziltro2> RPi USB ports are limited to ... is it 100mA per port?
[19:40] <bircoe> 140
[19:41] <ziltro2> Ah yes, that's right. :)
[19:41] <ziltro2> So it shouldn't exceed 1A then, ever ever ever. Maybe.
[19:41] <bertrik> nwjlyons, if you're on linux, you can use nmap to discover devices on the local network
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[19:41] <bircoe> correct
[19:41] <nwjlyons> what is the default hostname on raspbian?
[19:41] <Amadiro> weird, the usb spec doesn't actually allow you to draw 140mA...
[19:41] <nwjlyons> how would I scan for using nmap
[19:41] <Amadiro> only 200mA or 100mA
[19:42] <nwjlyons> i just installed it
[19:42] <Tz1m1sc3> raspberrypi is the default hostname
[19:42] <bertrik> nwjlyons, nmap 192.168.1.1-255 for example
[19:42] <Amadiro> nwjlyons, if your own ip is something like "192.168.2.3", you would do 'nmap "192.168.2.*"'
[19:43] <bircoe> Amadiro: USB low power mode is 100ma, if devices negotiate for high power mode (external 2.5" hard drives) it can be 500ma
[19:43] <bircoe> so RPi is significantly beow USB spec.
[19:43] <bircoe> below
[19:43] <Amadiro> bircoe, yeah, but why allow 140mA if a device can't register to draw that anyway
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[19:44] <bircoe> because even tho a device negotiates for high power doesn't mean it's going to draw 500.
[19:44] <ziltro2> Does USB only allow multiples of 100mA?
[19:45] <bircoe> I've got a Dell keyboard here that on the bottom states 5v at 150ma
[19:45] <Amadiro> ziltro2, yes.
[19:45] <bircoe> USB allows anything within spec, if a device has negotiated for high power it can draw anywhere between 1ma and 500ma
[19:45] <bertrik> it allows multiples of 2 mA IIRC
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[19:46] <nwjlyons> can't see the raspberry using nmap
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[19:46] <mjr> USB unit current is 100mA until version 3, where it's 150mA
[19:47] <nwjlyons> when i boot the pi it shows a blue Raspi-config screen with an option to enable or disable the ssh server. by default it is enabled?
[19:47] * Amadiro hasn't had time to look at the USB3.0 spec yet, but it looks like it much improves USB2.0
[19:47] <Lasse^> nwjlyons yes, it's enabled as default
[19:48] <nwjlyons> ok
[19:48] <ladoga> i think it's enabled as i never attached display to my raspi
[19:48] <bircoe> I guess you could say that... 5gbit/s is an improvement on 480mbit/s :)
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[19:49] <ziltro2> I like Powered USB.
[19:49] <ziltro2> It has an extra connector above to supply 5V, 12V or 24V. And a latch. :)
[19:49] <bircoe> you mean you like USB 3.0???
[19:50] <Caver> did anyone manage to bag a Gertboard?
[19:50] <ziltro2> USB 3 allows a 24 V connector?
[19:50] <mjr> no
[19:51] <bircoe> according to spec yes... I bet you most motherboards won't supply that tho.
[19:51] <bircoe> AFAIK there is no 24v rail in an ATX supply
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[19:52] <mjr> Powered usb was a proprietary addition. Now there's a new spec called USB Power Delivery.
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[19:52] <mjr> 5, 12 or 20 volts, up to 100W: http://www.techspot.com/news/49511-usb-power-delivery-spec-capable-of-100w-could-make-chargers-obsolete.html
[19:53] <ziltro2> Oh, strange, I thought it had been standardised.
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[19:56] <bircoe> why change USB 3.0 so late in the game?
[19:56] <bircoe> stupid.
[19:56] <Amadiro> the other usb standards got other things tacked on to them later as well, like USB OTG, so they tend to do that, I guess
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[19:57] <mjr> also USB battery charging spec, quite similar
[19:57] <mjr> just doesn't go as far
[19:58] <bircoe> Yes but OTG is in effect a standard of it's own... USB 3.0 was released back in 08... perhaps they should be calling devices that take advantage of USB Power Delivery USB 3.1
[19:58] <ziltro2> We should all standardise on NASA's Power Data Grapple Fixture.
[19:58] <ziltro2> That'll hold a monitor to the wall too.
[19:59] <bircoe> ...
[19:59] <bircoe> no point... NASA may decide to pull it's power program at any time :)
[20:01] <bircoe> Seriously NASA should amend it's name to National Astronomer Association... "we watch from afar"
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[20:02] <ReggieUK> yeah, they really should cos it wasn't an amazing feat of engineering skill to put the curiosity rover on mars...
[20:02] <nwjlyons> hmm. nmap doesn't show an additional host when I plug the Ethernet cable into the pi
[20:02] <bircoe> can you ping it?
[20:03] <ziltro2> No, it was a parachute and rockets and quite a deal of insanity. :)
[20:03] <ReggieUK> that worked
[20:03] <ReggieUK> it was engineering skill :D
[20:03] <ziltro2> It did seem to.
[20:03] <ReggieUK> at least they didn't do a beagle and fire a probe in a bouncy castle at mars
[20:03] <nwjlyons> no, i've tried ping raspberrypi but is says unknown host
[20:03] <bircoe> Not saying it wasn't...
[20:04] <bircoe> then your network is most liekly not up...
[20:04] <Amadiro> nwjlyons, do the FDX/LNK/10M LEDs blink/are on?
[20:04] <bircoe> you might need to plug a keyboard and monitor in to diagnose...
[20:05] <Lasse^> I can't ping mine on the hostname. only ip
[20:06] <nwjlyons> no only the PWR light
[20:06] <ziltro2> Is the network cable plugged in? ;)
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[20:07] <nwjlyons> yep network cable is plugged in
[20:07] <Lasse^> also in the other end? :D
[20:07] <bircoe> same here... the hostname raspberrypi goes out to my stupid ISP's search page
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[20:07] <ziltro2> Ah I had lying DNS servers. I changed to use Google's, 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
[20:08] <nwjlyons> yep
[20:08] <nwjlyons> :)
[20:09] <Amadiro> nwjlyons, strange, maybe reboot it once?
[20:10] <Tz1m1sc3> i ping my pi with hostname without problems here
[20:10] <bircoe> this baby i sback asleep... i'm going back to bed.
[20:10] <Amadiro> Tz1m1sc3, probably depends on how the router is set up.. I can ping my raspberry by using "raspberrypi.lan"
[20:11] <Lasse^> the hostname from /etc/hostname, right?
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[20:11] <bircoe> from the pi i can ping my PC via hostname, but not the other way round.
[20:12] <bircoe> as long as you remember it's IP theres no issue tho.
[20:12] <bircoe> on most normal networks its a matter of remembering 3 numbers.
[20:12] <bircoe> well 1 to 3 numbers
[20:12] <muep> running avahi would let you quite easily use hostnames for all computers in your home network
[20:12] <nwjlyons> think i might try arch again. i guess it won't have the open ssh installed by default. but maybe i can ping it
[20:13] <bircoe> regardless if ssh is running on the pi or not you should still be able to ping it
[20:13] <bircoe> plug in a monitor and work out it's ip and see if you can ping it
[20:18] <Lasse^> hmm, I just installed OpenELEC, but ssh is disabled, how to enable? I mean, it doesn't have a terminal.
[20:20] <Amadiro> nwjlyons, are the LEDs still not on?
[20:21] <ladoga> bircoe: have you added raspis hostname to your computers /etc/hosts (supposing you use linux)?
[20:22] <Lasse^> nvm, fixed it.
[20:23] <nwjlyons> no the leds still aren't on
[20:23] <nwjlyons> i'm now on arch. i've noticed the sshd starts up
[20:24] <nwjlyons> just before that it prints an error saying something like "unrecognised eth0" or something like that
[20:24] <nwjlyons> based on this http://elinux.org/ArchLinux_Install_Guide#Initial_Installation I assume the default hostname is alarmpi but i can't ping it
[20:25] <ladoga> nwjlyons: you should use ip adress unless you've associated raspi's ip to its hostname on your pc
[20:25] <mrdragons> > Get sound working on raspi
[20:25] <nwjlyons> ok will try nmap scan again
[20:25] <mrdragons> > Sound breaks on laptop
[20:25] <mrdragons> Lol wtf
[20:26] <ladoga> nwjlyons: can you log into your router to which raspberry pi is connected with ethernet cable?
[20:26] <ladoga> you can look ip adress there
[20:27] <ladoga> nmap should work too though
[20:28] <nwjlyons> not there in the namp scan. i don't know what is wrong. the LEDs aren't lit up. when i plug the ethernet cable into my laptop i get assigned an ip so i know the network is working. I think there might be something wrong with the pi
[20:29] <p0ng> nwjlyons: definately sounds like it, you should never get "unrecognised eth0" on a fresh arch image
[20:29] <chithead> maybe your power supply is poor
[20:30] <nwjlyons> yea. ok thanks for your help guys. really appreciate :) i must dash to catch a train
[20:30] <nwjlyons> cya
[20:30] <p0ng> thats a possibility, check the TP1-TP2 voltage
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[20:32] <ladoga> nwjlyons you have cable plugged directly to laptop, not router?
[20:32] <nwjlyons> no it is plugged into the router
[20:33] <ladoga> ok, good
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[20:34] <ladoga> i hope you get it sorted out
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[20:36] <Amadiro> nwjlyons, sounds a little like your phy chip is busted or so... if the cable is really connected, some of the LEDs should be on
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[20:36] <Amadiro> nwjlyons, also linux not finding eth0 is suspicious
[20:38] <ladoga> yellow led seems light up whenever ethernet cable is connected
[20:39] <ziltro2> Should LAN lights light up even when booting with no SD card?
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[20:40] <Amadiro> ziltro2, they don't do on mine, so n
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[20:49] <sundancer> hello, i would like to start stream some internet radio with vlc upon booting up raspbian.. which config file to edit?
[20:49] <sundancer> i prefer that command executed after networking is configured
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[20:51] <aphadke> sundancer: look at raspbmc
[20:51] <aphadke> they might have plugins for it
[20:52] <Fleck> ok so, whats the best linux to use in raspi, for n00bs :D
[20:52] <Lasse^> depends on what you want to do :)
[20:52] <Fleck> xbmc + desktop replacement
[20:52] <muep> the raspbian image recommended on raspberry site is likely one of the easier starting points
[20:53] <muep> for general-purpose stuff at least
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[20:54] <sundancer> aphadke is that xbmc software? because i dont need GUI stuff
[20:55] <aphadke> sundancer: yea, its software
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[20:55] <aphadke> Fleck: raspbmc :)
[20:56] <Fleck> i think i tried raspbmc
[20:56] <Amadiro> sundancer, generally debian uses init-scripts to decide what to start at boot and in which order, so I'd probably make one
[20:56] <Fleck> there where not many packages
[20:57] <sundancer> Amadiro you mean to make script and put it in /etc/init.d ?
[20:57] <Amadiro> sundancer, well, you need to also link it to the according runlevel, but basically, yes
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[20:57] <sundancer> Amadiro yes, i got it, thank you
[20:57] <Amadiro> sundancer, you also need to tell debian about the networking being its dependency, I don't remember how debian does that
[20:58] <sundancer> Amadiro i found /etc/init.d/README useful, thanx :)
[20:59] <Amadiro> sundancer, something like "# Required-Start: $network " seems to be required
[20:59] <hugorodrigues> anyone have been able to get decent audio quality in rpi? via audio jack or external usb audio? its always very scratchy
[20:59] <Amadiro> hugorodrigues, not via audio jack, but via HDMI.
[21:00] <hugorodrigues> :| i have never tried hdmi audio auto
[21:00] <hugorodrigues> btw, Amadiro is there any kind of way to extract the audio from hdmi?
[21:00] <hugorodrigues> any cable adapter just for audio?
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[21:01] <Amadiro> hugorodrigues, audio jack quality is pretty bad, I have not yet investigated why (I don't really need audio on my rbpi), I'm conjecturing it's either the driver being shitty or some problem on the PCB.
[21:01] <Amadiro> hugorodrigues, I haven't seen any yet, but other people have mentioned that they are very expensive.
[21:02] <hugorodrigues> yes expensive and rare from what i've researched
[21:02] <mjr> the analog output is simply bad quality hardware-wise
[21:02] <hugorodrigues> i buy a usb external audio
[21:02] <Lasse^> The analog output is just a pwm output
[21:02] <hugorodrigues> it works great in a real ubuntu
[21:03] <hugorodrigues> but in the rpi the same device the audio is scratchy
[21:03] <mjr> hugorodrigues, now that is somewhat weirder
[21:03] <Amadiro> mjr, that's what I thought, but I'm reluctant to believe that it can be that bad.. I'll probably have a look at the driver and the circuit at some later point and play around a little...
[21:03] <hugorodrigues> i even patch the kernel, since i found info about a supposed debian arm kernel module os audio-usb
[21:04] <mjr> Amadiro, well yeah, of course it could be that there's something that's making it extra-bad that can be remedied ;)
[21:04] <Amadiro> hugorodrigues, strange, have you checked whether the two devices use the same driver? Is it scratchy all the time or just laggy?
[21:05] <hugorodrigues> most scratchy. sometimes it lags but i guess the lag comes from io saturation
[21:05] <hugorodrigues> but the scratchy is always present
[21:05] <Lasse^> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/pcm2704.pdf - There is a simple usb soundcard chip :)
[21:06] <Amadiro> hugorodrigues, I don't get that, are you sure you plugged it into the usb soundcard? Did you try with a different sound-file and a different player?
[21:06] <hugorodrigues> the good news is: have found very little whitenoise/static which the card. the default audio jack is full of static (i guess you can "hear" the cpu :P)
[21:07] <ziltro2> sundancer: You might want to investigate mpd. It can stream audio and runs as a daemon in the background. There are GUI configuration programs for it too.
[21:07] <Amadiro> hugorodrigues, also, have you tried using alsamixer to turn off all inputs and turn down the gain on the output channels?
[21:07] <hugorodrigues> i have try mod and mpg123
[21:07] <ziltro2> sundancer: Also it can be configured over the network, if you want a headless machine.
[21:07] <Amadiro> hugorodrigues, on some of my older soundcards I sometimes had a lot of white noise if line in and mic in were activated; and clipping could be reduced by setting the gain to 0.
[21:07] <hugorodrigues> amadiro, yes in alsamixer gain is off, and i have adjusted the sound volume but it won't fix
[21:08] <hugorodrigues> the most relevant info i found is this topic: http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?2,2840,page=2
[21:08] <ziltro2> hugorodrigues: If I understand correctly, the audio on an HDMI cable is multiplex in with the video, so you need something capable of working at the video bit rates.
[21:09] <mjr> ziltro2, yes. The audio data is in the blanking intervals (horrid kludge ;)
[21:09] <ziltro2> mjr: Worked for Teletext ;)
[21:10] <mjr> well, the whole _existence_ of a blanking interval in the cable is quite anachronistic ;]
[21:10] <ziltro2> Ah, yeah, perhaps...
[21:10] <hugorodrigues> in page one the guy suggest adjust some alas values, but in page 2 someone says the real fix is comment MMAP module and recompile. din't work etheir
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[21:11] <bertrik> Amadiro, as I understand, the audio jack output is generated by PWM
[21:11] <Amadiro> bertrik, wut
[21:11] <Lasse^> yes, it is.
[21:11] <ziltro2> Yeah, it isn't a "real" audio output, it is PWM and a filter.
[21:11] <ziltro2> Unless of course that is all a "1-bit DAC" is.
[21:12] <Amadiro> Well, that explains it, I guess...
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[21:12] <hugorodrigues> but if we use a external usb audio, this limitation supposedly gone right?
[21:12] <Amadiro> That really needs to be remedied in the next rbpi version...
[21:12] <Amadiro> hugorodrigues, yeah.
[21:13] <ziltro2> USB audio devices should work the same as on a 'big' PC.
[21:13] <hugorodrigues> there is hope! :)
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[21:13] <Lasse^> and the TI bcm2704 seems simple to integrate.
[21:14] <hugorodrigues> i will try another distro to see if it is a kernel issue (i'm using the suggested debian)
[21:14] <mjr> hugorodrigues, could there be a power quality/sufficiency issue with the Pi's USB? Do you have a powered hub for the USB audio thingy?
[21:14] <Amadiro> I'd gladly pay 10 bucks more if I get a proper DAC on the board
[21:14] <hugorodrigues> mar, maybe. i'm not using any powered hub.
[21:15] <ziltro2> Preferably with XLR input and output...
[21:15] <ziltro2> And a pony.
[21:15] <hugorodrigues> and my mini usb cable is very cheap
[21:15] <Amadiro> hugorodrigues, if you have a powered hub, give it a whirl, if the noise really comes from the main chip, that would fix it
[21:15] <Amadiro> ziltro2, everything gets better if you add a pony.
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[21:15] <bertrik> on a stick!
[21:15] <Amadiro> By at least 20%.
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[21:15] <ziltro2> Especially your vegetables.
[21:16] <hugorodrigues> lol
[21:16] <Amadiro> ziltro2, I don't think XLR is happening, though, the average consumer definitely doesn't have a use for that
[21:16] <ziltro2> So just the pony?
[21:16] <Amadiro> yes.
[21:17] <Amadiro> ziltro2, I guess it shouldn't be too difficult to have some sort of circuit that splits the signal into a differential to turn it into XLR?
[21:17] <ziltro2> Probably not, but you can get USB sound cards for ??30ish with balanced XLR in and out.
[21:17] <ziltro2> I might end up getting a couple of them.
[21:19] <hugorodrigues> for this try the usb hub must have independent power supply right?
[21:20] <Lasse^> correct, or else it wouldn't be a powered hub :p
[21:20] <Amadiro> ziltro2, do you really want to do professional high-quality audio processing on the rbpi, though? :) Seems a little underpowered, perhaps.
[21:20] <bertrik> ziltro2, do you know of any cheap USB sound cards that go up to 384 kHz or 352.8 kHz (and that work on the pi)?
[21:20] <bertrik> for audio input, ADC
[21:20] <SpeedEvil> for sound?
[21:21] <mjr> you don't need that for anything
[21:21] <mjr> well, anything to do with sound meant for humans
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> sure you do.
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> well, true.
[21:21] <Lasse^> hmm.. 384KHz sampling rate?
[21:21] <SpeedEvil> but for example, SDR time code receivers
[21:22] <hugorodrigues> Lasse^, yeah right :) is possible to buy a powered hub and use it to power the rpi and the usb audio card?
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> yes
[21:22] <ziltro2> I want to play reasonably good quality music, and I like XLRs.
[21:22] <hugorodrigues> SpeedEvil: that yes is for me? :)
[21:22] <SpeedEvil> 384k is bollocks.
[21:22] <ziltro2> bertrik: For SDR? Also no, I don't. :)
[21:22] <MasterGeek> audio,cam,harddrive,cdrw, foo
[21:22] <Amadiro> ziltro2, do you have a sound system that takes XLR input?
[21:22] <mjr> hugorodrigues, yes, theoretically at least. If the hub's suitably liberal with its power output. And preferrably doesn't leak power back, though I'm not sure if that's a big issue.
[21:23] <bertrik> ziltro2, no, for ultrasonic audio, like bat sonar
[21:23] <ziltro2> Amadiro: No, but I frequently use them.
[21:23] <Amadiro> ziltro2, right. Only ones I've seen with XLR are expensive PA systems
[21:23] <hugorodrigues> mjr: i will definitely gone try
[21:23] <mjr> http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
[21:23] <w0m> just crashed my pi by opening chrome o.0
[21:23] <ziltro2> bertrik: Ah, useful. Could you connect a transducer to the aerial input of a radio receiver which does those frequencies? Or do you want to record the wide band?
[21:24] <ziltro2> Amadiro: Any audio near a stage has XLRs. :)
[21:24] <bertrik> i want wide band
[21:24] <Amadiro> ziltro2, any audio near a stage is usually prohibitively expensive... :)
[21:24] <hugorodrigues> mjr: hehe that link really kick many people ass's :)
[21:24] <ziltro2> My sister does bat detection, so such a device would be useful.
[21:25] <ziltro2> Amadiro: That's why I use but don't own any... ;)
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[21:30] <p0ng> ziltro2: she does bat detection for a living or as a researcher?
[21:31] <ziltro2> p0ng: Part of her job I believe.
[21:31] <p0ng> thats cool
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[21:32] <p0ng> not my intention
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[21:48] <[SLB]> i'm installing mono and now it is at this stage /usr/bin/mono /usr/lib/monodoc/browser.exe --make-search-index, i assume it's building the docs? if so, can i just kill it if i don't need the docs or after this stage would it do something else?
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[21:52] <MasterGeek> chances are it has
[21:52] <[SLB]> hm i'll just wait some more time let's see
[21:54] <Amadiro> [SLB], you can check with top/iotop whether it's actually doing anything or just got stuck.
[21:54] <[SLB]> yup that's where i got that line from
[21:54] <[SLB]> should be about to finish i guess, been a while
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[21:56] <[SLB]> done :3
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[22:09] <sn0opy> evening guys
[22:10] <muep> night
[22:10] <sn0opy> i've got debian on my raspberrypi and I want to announce the hostname to my router which doesnt work for me yet
[22:10] <sn0opy> is there any other file I have to modify beside of dhclient.conf?
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[22:19] <bertrik> Any experience here with the sdhci_bcm2708 options?
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[22:28] <[SLB]> how do i change locale? raspi-config doesn't seem of help (via ssh)
[22:29] <[SLB]> on raspbian
[22:29] <stain> dpkg-reconfigure locale
[22:30] <stain> o something like that
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[22:31] <[SLB]> hm i run locale -a and there's only C, posix and en_gb, am i supposed to install what i need?
[22:32] <Fleck> apt-cache search locale ?
[22:35] <chithead> the locales are not installed, they are generated
[22:36] <[SLB]> not sure what to look in there
[22:36] <[SLB]> hm
[22:36] <chithead> apt will not help you
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[22:37] <[SLB]> raspi-config has a setting for that but it simply doesn't work
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[22:38] <chithead> I don't get why you refuse to do what stain suggested
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[22:40] <[SLB]> excuse me? i don't get why would you assume such a thing? i did that, and it says locale is not installed
[22:42] <bircoe> what was the output of sudo dpkg-reconfigure locale?
[22:42] <chithead> it's "dpkg-reconfigure locales" (the "o something" presumably meant that he didn't remember the exact name)
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[22:44] <bircoe> SLB, can you get your info straight, on one line you say you ran the command "locale -c" and it gave you info... then on another line you say it told you it wasn't installed...
[22:44] <bircoe> which is it?
[22:44] <[SLB]> so why did you state i refuse to do what he said then? :)
[22:44] <[SLB]> with locales it launched
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[22:45] <[SLB]> i said locale -a
[22:45] <bircoe> who really gives a shit why... he probably assumed because you didn't answer that you didn't try, which coming from a helpdesk employees perspective is a fair call to make.
[22:45] <[SLB]> rofl
[22:45] <bircoe> run this "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locale"
[22:45] <bircoe> paste the output
[22:46] <chithead> locales
[22:46] <ReggieUK> No need to be rude bircoe
[22:46] <bircoe> not being rude... trying to get relevant info... arguing about why something was said is not relevant.
[22:46] <jbwiv> guys, just received my pi in the mail last night. I honestly haven't done much reading up on it, because I thought it'd take a good bit longer to receive. I have raspbian installed....I understand that it can play 720/1080p video. To do so, what video player is recommended?
[22:46] <[SLB]> yea wrong assumptions, chill dude
[22:46] <aykut> omxplayer
[22:47] <ReggieUK> we do have a rule about no foul language
[22:47] <jbwiv> aykut, ok, thanks.
[22:48] <jbwiv> Also, I am using a Logitech K400, but this doesn't appear in the list of keymaps. with the default keymap, pressing shift+2 gets you a " instead of a @. Anyone know what the appropriate keymap for the k400 is?
[22:48] <[SLB]> and as i said already, with locales it worked thanks. helpdesk employees perspective failed big time
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[22:49] <bircoe> it wasn't me that made the assumption... I just said i can see where he was coming from...
[22:49] <bircoe> but what ever i have better things to do.
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[22:50] <[SLB]> lol :)
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[23:06] * bertrik tries an rpi-update
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[23:09] <bertrik> bootloop ... :(
[23:10] <[SLB]> a couple of times has happened to me too, replugged and booted up fine
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[23:12] <bertrik> it's blinking the OK LED 6 times, then a second pause, then another 6 blinks
[23:12] <ziltro2> There's a list of what the blinking means somewhere I believe.
[23:13] <bertrik> ziltro2, I tried this on a raspbian install, was that correct?
[23:13] <[SLB]> mine was blinking 7 times when it was too hot
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[23:15] <ziltro2> bertrik: The blink codes come from inside the SoC. eg. one of them means "No SD card"
[23:15] <bertrik> I tried to power-off/on already, and also re-seated the SD card with no effect so far
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[23:16] <[SLB]> maybe let it cool for 5 mins
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[23:17] <ziltro2> There was talk of rpi-update being a bad idea/broken at the moment. I've not tried it.
[23:17] <Lasse^> mine worked
[23:18] <Lasse^> on raspbmc though.
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[23:18] <[SLB]> mine worked too
[23:19] <bertrik> It's not hot or even warm at all. Unplugged all peripherals except SD card, still blinks 6 times
[23:19] <ziltro2> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern
[23:21] <[SLB]> hm, try to copy over some mem split file manually and try to boot again
[23:21] <bertrik> thanks, I'll try that
[23:21] <ziltro2> That page also suggests "sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" for keyboard layout issues.
[23:21] <[SLB]> hope that helps
[23:22] <[SLB]> yup thanks was just looking at that part :)
[23:23] <[SLB]> hm i wonder, when i ssh into the rasp, does my locale get used thru the ssh connection?
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[23:24] <ziltro2> keyboard input will be handled by the ssh client machine
[23:24] <ziltro2> ie. it sends (presumably these days) Uniode codepoints, not keycodes.
[23:24] <[SLB]> i have en_US locale on my system, and italian keyboard layout, and thru ssh all works fine into the rasp. for the rasp itself i have an usb keyboard with uk layout, and it works as expected too
[23:24] <[SLB]> ah okai makes sense
[23:25] <ziltro2> Keyboards send keycodes, it doesn't matter what is printed on the keys.
[23:25] <ziltro2> Which is why a keyboard layout file is needed.
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[23:25] <jbwiv> guys: is raspbian or raspbmc better for video (movie) playback at the moment? I'm looking to play some mkv files
[23:26] <[SLB]> what do you mean, if i set the keyboard locale to say us or uk, it sends a different key of course
[23:26] <ziltro2> Also the keyboard doesn't tell the host what layout is (supposedly) printed on it, which would be very useful.
[23:26] <BCMM> [SLB]: locale isn't completely the same as keyboard layout
[23:26] <[SLB]> yes sorry i meant kb layout
[23:26] <bertrik> [SLB], what do you mean by mem split file?
[23:27] <BCMM> [SLB]: the keyboard layout setting applies to keyboard plugged in to the pi
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[23:27] <bertrik> I see a bunch of .elf for (presumably) various memsplits and a start.elf
[23:27] <[SLB]> bertrik, one of the elf files to copy over start.elf
[23:27] <BCMM> stuff typed in to ssh is already translated in to actual characters rather than keystrokes, as it were
[23:27] <sraue> jbwiv, if you only want play videos then i think raspbian or another distro with omxplayer, if you need a mediacenter OpenELEC or RaspBMC
[23:27] <[SLB]> yes you can copy one of them depending on how much mem you want to give to the system and how left to the gpu
[23:28] <[SLB]> ah ok BCMM
[23:29] <bertrik> yup, it boots now with a 192/64 split
[23:29] <[SLB]> nice :)
[23:29] <BCMM> maybe this channel needs a "hang around after asking" thing in the /topic... (looking at jbwiv)
[23:30] <BCMM> whois jbwiv
[23:30] <BCMM> (sorry, omitted /, just wanted to see if he was still online to /msg)
[23:31] <bertrik> nice, I have a #272, Aug 7 kernel now
[23:40] <bertrik> I'm looking into the sdhci-bcm2708.missing_status=0 sdhci-bcm2708.sync_after_dma=0 parameters
[23:40] <bertrik> (both seem to be on by default now)
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[23:44] <biffhero> I just installed raspbian on my pi. Is it possible to install a 2.6 kernel?
[23:45] <ziltro2> if you can port the CPU support etc. to it, perhaps.
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[23:45] <ziltro2> I thought kernel 3.0 was 2.6 renamed?
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[23:46] <biffhero> The files at http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/l/linux/ are 3.2
[23:46] <biffhero> And maybe I will try the files from debian arm.
[23:47] <ziltro2> RPi CPU support isn't in the main kernel at all yet, I believe.
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[23:48] <chithead> and it might never be
[23:48] <biffhero> Oh. I didn't realize it was all that special. I thought it was normal ARM, but with their integration-y goodness.
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[23:48] <chithead> "normal" for arm is that the manufacturer has a supported kernel version, and nothing else works
[23:49] <biffhero> ah
[23:49] <biffhero> thanks
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[23:50] <chithead> rpi has enough mindshare that people have ported the patchsets to newer kernels (3.2 bootc, 3.3 openwrt)
[23:51] <biffhero> that's awesome. However, I have a radio in hand that only has a 2.6 module.
[23:51] <chithead> 2.6.0 or what?
[23:53] <mru> if it works with kernels later than 2.6.32 updating it to 3.x shouldn't be too hard
[23:53] <biffhero> 2.6.x, I don't see anything in the header files for a certain version.
[23:53] <bertrik> biffhero, what kind of radio, USB?
[23:53] <biffhero> USB thumbdrive physical layout, but it is a 802.15.4 radio.
[23:56] <bertrik> sdhci-bcm2708.missing_status=0 sdhci-bcm2708.sync_after_dma=0 seems to work fine for me
[23:57] <bertrik> not sure how I can determine if it really makes a difference
[23:57] <bertrik> %sys is about 20% during a compilation
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