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IRC Log for 2012-08-10

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[0:13] <dennistlg> shit owncloud
[0:13] <dennistlg> doesnt run with external ext3 hdd
[0:14] <dennistlg> cant create data directory
[0:14] <dennistlg> anybody can help me?
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[0:17] <MasterGeek> There is a config.php file some place i think /owncloud/config
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[0:19] <MasterGeek> or use symbolic links
[0:19] <MasterGeek> to new dir
[0:19] <MasterGeek> * created the directory /mycloud
[0:19] <MasterGeek> * mounted my new volume to /mycloud (and added a line to /etc/fstab)
[0:19] <MasterGeek> * stopped Apache
[0:19] <MasterGeek> * moved /var/www/owncloud/data to /mycloud/data
[0:19] <MasterGeek> * created the data symlink in /var/www/owncloud to /mycloud/data
[0:19] <MasterGeek> * moved /var/www/owncloud/config to /mycloud/config
[0:19] <MasterGeek> * created the config symlink in /var/www/owncloud to /mycloud/config
[0:19] <MasterGeek> * changed owner of both symlinks to www-data:www-data
[0:19] <MasterGeek> * restarted Apache
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[0:21] <ZenoArrow> Hi. I'm trying to set up a Linaro-based cross compile toolchain for the RasPi, but I'm struggling to work out what I need to do. I've looked online for an easy to follow guide but I haven't found one yet. Can anyone here help me?
[0:21] <dennistlg> hm k will try with symlinking
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[0:32] <dennistlg> thats big shit. :-(
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[0:33] <dennistlg> i have blank hdd formated ext3 onen 160gb oartition mounted on /media/160g
[0:33] <dennistlg> created folder owncloud
[0:35] <dennistlg> than i make sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www and sudo chown -R /media/160g/owncloud
[0:36] <dennistlg> browsing to localhost/owncloud make a user and point directory to /media/160g/owncloud
[0:37] <dennistlg> at this point every thing sems fine
[0:37] <dennistlg> than i browse again to localhost/owncloud
[0:37] <dennistlg> and i have error
[0:38] <dennistlg> on all how to?s i found it works with exact same way
[0:38] <dennistlg> ...
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[0:58] <Mlmmt> lol, my poor rasberry
[0:59] <IT_Sean> ?
[0:59] <Mlmmt> I have my rasberry and every accessory I ordered... except the SD card...
[0:59] <Neutron5> buy one :>
[1:00] <Mlmmt> i ordered it already
[1:00] <Mlmmt> and it shipped
[1:00] <Mlmmt> it was just beaten here by everything else
[1:00] <Mlmmt> even the silly wifi adapter got here first
[1:00] <reider59> not got a temporary one to use from a camera?
[1:00] <Mlmmt> nope
[1:00] <Neutron5> yeah when I order a bunch of items from different places for the same project, I always get the things I need the least first
[1:00] <Mlmmt> pretty much
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[1:01] <Mlmmt> first thing I got was the flash drive
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[1:01] <Neutron5> btw, anyone else not getting any sound from their RPIs?
[1:01] <Mlmmt> as this rate I might just wait till my case gets here
[1:01] <Mlmmt> and then set it all up
[1:02] <Neutron5> I tried the jack on the board itself, as well as the jack on the side of my monitor, no sound from either
[1:02] <sam> I just bought an overpriced SD card at the local convenience store
[1:03] <MasterGeek> yer "The PiMix DJ Console ? 2012" sounds great
[1:03] <Mlmmt> I ordered from amazon
[1:03] <Mlmmt> and all the other things are here
[1:03] <Mlmmt> just not the SD card
[1:03] <Neutron5> sam: same.. I thought I had a microSD to SD adapter, but when I opened the box I remembered having it in, I saw that it was just one of those dumb protective plastic bits that they stick in the SD slots of laptops when shipping them..
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[1:04] <reider59> Don't you need to set a command to change from the HDMI sound to the 3.5 connector?
[1:04] <Neutron5> no clue where where the adapter may have gone
[1:04] <Mlmmt> my generic wifi adapter got here today
[1:04] <Amadiro> Neutron5, checked in the laptop? :)
[1:04] <Neutron5> Amadiro: sure, nothing there :P
[1:05] <SpeedEvil> is there a USB WiFi class yet?
[1:06] <Neutron5> reider59: might be, but I still tried the output on the side of my monitor, which should provide the audio it receives from HDMI
[1:06] <Neutron5> but I have to admit I have never used it before, so I don't know if it works
[1:06] <Neutron5> I can try it on the TV later
[1:07] <reider59> What Distro? Sound is switched on in Wheezy based Distros but not all
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[1:07] <Neutron5> it is wheezy
[1:07] <reider59> ok
[1:10] <MasterGeek> i noticed on the XBMC img.... that the first time i try watch something theres no sound, but if i bring up the menu and select another imput like tv, wait for it to switch, and then switch back i get sound ok, but only with xbmc raspbian is ok either way
[1:10] <Tz1m1sc3> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Sound_does_not_work_with_an_HDMI_monitor
[1:12] <Neutron5> Tz1m1sc3: thanks, that might explain it
[1:13] <reider59> I decided to plunge and get a second RPi. Should be here next week, got it off Ebay as it came with a RPi T Shirt and I forgot to order my free one the first time around. Thank cringe I have 2 cases and plenty of LCD Modules to play with.
[1:13] <reider59> Got it at ?52 so not much over the odds
[1:14] <reider59> I waited til 90 seconds before the end and put a final bid in
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[1:20] <Neutron5> I've never won an auction on ebay, so I simply stopped using them
[1:21] <Neutron5> so the first thing I do is to switch over to "buy it now only" :P
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[1:21] <kn1000> Using my pi as a web server, woot.
[1:21] * plugwash generally finds buy it now ends up more expensive than auctions
[1:21] <mongrelion> what webeserver?
[1:22] <MasterGeek> kn1000, nice one
[1:22] <plugwash> the important thing with ebay auctions is don't bid early. the tiny advantage ebay gives you for bidding early is negligable compared to the impact of irrational bidders being driven to bid more by the presense of your bid
[1:22] <kn1000> http://kn100.mine.nu/ < is being hosted on a pi! test network throughput by downloading this ubuntu mini iso: http://kn100.mine.nu/mini.iso
[1:22] <plugwash> so bid as late as you can
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[1:23] <Neutron5> sure
[1:23] <plugwash> also bidding late means your options stay open and you can bid on many similar items until you win one
[1:23] <plugwash> and search completed listings to get an idea of the typical going rate for an item
[1:24] <reider59> I tried for a t shirt on my first ever go on Ebay, lost it with a last 5 min bid because I had to enter the password etc. this time I upped my bid every now and then, let someone teake the lead for 7 hours then thought about a final price. I set it for ?53.75 and got it for ?52 about 90 seconds left as I pressed it. But I`d already noticed earlier, probably because I upped it a few times, it din`t ask for a p
[1:24] <reider59> assword.
[1:25] <MasterGeek> works nice
[1:25] <reider59> the other persons bid was an auto one and stopped at ?51 not leaving enough time to change his mind and up it, or very little time anyway
[1:25] <kn1000> man the ethernet light on my pi is going nuts
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[1:26] <MasterGeek> >:)
[1:26] <MasterGeek> i took too
[1:26] <MasterGeek> two
[1:26] <MasterGeek> is ok tho
[1:26] <MasterGeek> fast enough
[1:26] <kn1000> what kind of throughput?
[1:27] <reider59> those last 90 secs were like hours watching them count down lol
[1:27] <MasterGeek> oh i didnt look
[1:27] <kn1000> it's on a 9mbit/s upload pipe home connection so it should be OK and that's it
[1:27] <kn1000> lol
[1:27] <Neutron5> I ordered one from RS and one from farnell
[1:27] <MasterGeek> 1mb
[1:28] <Neutron5> and I think most others did that too.. :P
[1:28] <reider59> XXL t shirt so it should fit and it's alledged both are still sealed. just have to see
[1:28] <kn1000> not bad not bad, being served off the SD card too
[1:28] <MasterGeek> y28 sec
[1:29] <kn1000> not bad
[1:29] <mongrelion> kn1000: nice! it seems like you're getting pretty good results from de rpi
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[1:29] <mongrelion> what are you using for streaming media?
[1:29] <MasterGeek> you leaving it online ?
[1:29] <kn1000> mongrelion, streaming media? XBMC for my local use
[1:30] <kn1000> and yeah it's permanently online now!
[1:30] <reider59> There is a T shirt with one bid on in Ebay if anyone wants one. Last time I looked it had 99p on. I'd go to about a tenner max but only last minute, couple of ?1 bids before then so the system lets you up it without a password just before it ends. I think it has 2 to 2.5 days left
[1:30] <mongrelion> what distro are you using?
[1:30] <kn1000> Raspbian!
[1:30] <mongrelion> kn1000: -^
[1:30] <virunga> kn1000: i read your article, how did you manage the memory space issue? I mean to download you need a lot of space
[1:30] <mongrelion> woah
[1:30] <kn1000> virunga, external hard drive!
[1:30] <reider59> That one is XXL size too
[1:30] <reider59> I was going to bid on it if this one failed
[1:30] <virunga> kn1000: do you use a powered usb hub?
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[1:30] <SpeedEvil> reider59: you don't need to bid once first.
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[1:30] <kn1000> got an external hard drive hooked up via a powered hub, transmission-daemon downloads directly to that
[1:30] <kn1000> virunga, ^
[1:31] <mongrelion> kn1000: where did you get the XMBC? is in the repositorioes?
[1:31] <mongrelion> repositories *
[1:31] <kn1000> nah compiled it
[1:31] <kn1000> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC
[1:31] <kn1000> takes ages but is worth it
[1:31] <kn1000> be aware future upgrades will probably break it however
[1:31] <reider59> well the first time I did a last second bid I failed because it asked for the password. this time it never asked and it went through 90 secs from the end
[1:32] <SpeedEvil> you go through to the bid confirm screen. that is after the password check.
[1:32] <mongrelion> kn1000: do you think there is a posibility that you can share the "ready to 'make install'" folder so that we that use raspbian as well don't have to compile it? :)
[1:33] <kn1000> I'm willing to host stuff on my Pi, I just don't know what. Think I'mma switch away from Apache however to something more lightweight
[1:33] <kn1000> mongrelion, there's no point, it probably won't work due to slight differences in our install/firmware versions
[1:33] <mongrelion> :C
[1:33] <kn1000> compiling takes about 15 minutes
[1:33] <mongrelion> oh, really?
[1:33] <kn1000> at least on my 1050mhz overclocked pi
[1:33] <mongrelion> 15 mins ain't that bad.
[1:33] <kn1000> not awful
[1:33] <virunga> kn1000: thanks
[1:34] <mongrelion> not the same story compiling ruby/nodejs :/
[1:34] <reider59> I made a bid after the password etc. Later I upped the bid and it asked for the password again, too late it was sold. On this one I upped the price and later again, it then didn`t ask for the password. the final upping of the bid it no loger asked, not a chance I was taking again
[1:34] <mongrelion> haven't tried compiling mongodb...
[1:34] <virunga> mongrelion: did you try to run some ruby script? How is it?
[1:35] <virunga> memory?
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[1:35] <virunga> ruby consumes a lot of memory..
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[1:35] <virunga> but will be better in 2.0
[1:36] <virunga> kn1000: i want to read more articles ;D
[1:38] <SpeedEvil> reider59: I've bid on >500 items, if you get to the confirm bid stage, it never asks for password.
[1:38] <mongrelion> virunga: it does, but my blog runs fine there: http://carlosleon.info Ruby 1.9.3 + Puma as the web server.
[1:38] <reider59> I can only say what the screen asked for. It asked for the password and it was too late. This time I took no chances.
[1:39] <mongrelion> virunga: I'm checking right now in htop. What's the actual memory usage? there is VIRT, RES and SHR.
[1:40] <SpeedEvil> does X support rotation on the pi?
[1:41] <mongrelion> virunga: it is also full time running a mysql staging server, for my local development setup.
[1:41] <MycoRunner> quick question: does the power supply cable need to be micro usb A or B?
[1:41] <virunga> mongrelion: cool :)
[1:41] <SpeedEvil> xrandr -o right is not working
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[1:42] <mongrelion> SpeedEvil: what's the X11 output? any error in the terminal?
[1:42] <virunga> you guys have a nice bandwidth. You lucky guys
[1:42] <mongrelion> what's yours?
[1:43] <SpeedEvil> yes, xrandr as user gives failed request
[1:43] <SpeedEvil> oh - HDMI
[1:43] <virunga> My bandwidth? 4 Mbit down, 256 Kbit up
[1:44] <MycoRunner> which of these connectors? http://static.stuff-review.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/usb-ports-2108.png
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[1:45] <SpeedEvil> MycoRunner: Context?
[1:45] <SpeedEvil> The pi has micro-b
[1:46] <MycoRunner> SpeedEvil: for the power
[1:46] <MycoRunner> ok
[1:46] <MycoRunner> I don't see it mentioned anywhere online, just said "micro"
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[1:47] <mongrelion> virunga: D: that's my connection's stats as well.
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[1:48] <virunga> mongrelion: wow, i didn't realize it could be possible host a site with that band. Good to know, really.
[1:49] <mongrelion> I'm hosting my blog. Ain't a big deal.
[1:49] <virunga> but that's fun :)
[1:49] <SpeedEvil> till you get slashdotted
[1:49] <virunga> have a web site
[1:50] <mongrelion> :) ain't that good, haven't that much content, etc, etc.
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[1:50] <mongrelion> I should update all the sections. I currently lack of lots of basic content that could be there...
[1:50] <plugwash> It all depends on what you are hosting, /me is admining a server that is currently averaging about 30 megabit per second outbound
[1:50] <plugwash> and i've seen it peak as high as 300
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[1:51] <virunga> mongrelion: eh, as we say, "slow slow" you do the thing
[1:51] <virunga> mongrelion: Do you work in this environment or it's a hobby?
[1:52] <virunga> i mean informatic
[1:52] <mongrelion> virunga: con paciencia y calma sube un burro a una palma :D
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[1:53] <mongrelion> virunga: I work on the IT branch. I'm a software developer.
[1:53] <mongrelion> Rails developer, to be a little specific.
[1:53] <virunga> mongrelion: :D i'm italian so i understand a little bit of spanish. Uh nice, i'd like do the same for a while
[1:54] <mongrelion> :D nice.
[1:55] <mongrelion> I think I'm going to migrate my blog to twitter bootstrap :/
[1:55] <[SLB]> "slow slow" you do the thing < thought that sounded italian :p
[1:55] <mongrelion> virunga: say that in italian :D
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[1:56] <mongrelion> lento, lento?
[1:56] <GriffenJBS> mongrelion: any luck with node?
[1:56] <mongrelion> GriffenJBS: negative :(
[1:56] <[SLB]> piano piano i'd say but yea
[1:56] <mongrelion> con calma would be the spanish version.
[1:56] <mongrelion> "con calma".
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[1:57] <virunga> mongrelion: [SLB] both are valid :)
[1:57] <[SLB]> that too eheh
[1:57] <virunga> con calma or piano piano
[1:57] <mongrelion> con calma? really? xD that's funny.
[1:58] <mongrelion> piano? but is piano the music instrument as well?
[1:58] <virunga> yeah
[1:58] <mongrelion> virunga: bibidi papi regazze la mia mamma, la mamma mia mario mario xD
[1:58] <[SLB]> yes also means soft as in volume related
[1:58] <[SLB]> lol
[1:58] <virunga> spanish and italian look like each other
[1:58] <mongrelion> virunga: no creo. Si yo te hablo en Espa??ol, es muy poco probable que entiendas lo que digo.
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[1:59] <[SLB]> it's actually easy :p
[1:59] <mongrelion> I think portuguese is more "transparent" to the spanish speaker.
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[1:59] <virunga> you said "i dont think. If i speak Spanish, is little likely you understand that i saay
[1:59] <virunga> :D
[2:00] <mongrelion> OT: the other day, in purpose, I watched a 5 minutes video in italian and another one, same length, in portuguese. Of course I didn't understand that much, but I could get a context of what was going on in the portuguese dialog. Not quite in the italian one.
[2:00] <mongrelion> virunga: D: woah.
[2:00] <mongrelion> no google translate, right? ??____??
[2:00] <virunga> no :D
[2:00] <mongrelion> Raspberry Pi is uniting nations, races and breaking language frontiers \o/
[2:00] * mongrelion faints
[2:00] <[SLB]> lol
[2:00] <virunga> mongrelion: i know some spanish people and we can speak and understand each other with some difficult
[2:01] <virunga> but we made
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[2:01] <mongrelion> really nice :') latin <3
[2:01] <virunga> yeah
[2:01] <mongrelion> pero con el franc??s es otra historia </3
[2:01] <virunga> true
[2:01] <virunga> more difficult
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[2:01] <mongrelion> there is something very funny with English, and it is that some times I don't know a word in English, I just say it in Spanish and Latin does the trick :)
[2:02] <[SLB]> yes but french is still easier than german i think eheh, similarities speaking
[2:02] <mongrelion> like sexo, homofobia, excremento, grotesco, etc??tera, etc.
[2:02] <[SLB]> lol
[2:02] <mongrelion> oh, yeah, the structure is parecida.
[2:03] <virunga> yep, like vice versa
[2:03] <mongrelion> I mean, spanish, italian, portuguese and french share some grammar rules and structure. Not so with English/German/other languages.
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[2:03] <virunga> true
[2:03] <virunga> lingue mediterranee
[2:03] <virunga> e lingue nordiche
[2:04] <mongrelion> que es nordiche?
[2:04] <mongrelion> aaah
[2:04] <mongrelion> n??rdica :D
[2:04] <virunga> yes
[2:04] <virunga> :9
[2:04] <mongrelion> makes more sense when you say it out loud :D
[2:04] <mongrelion> en voz alta ;D
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[2:06] <virunga> i'd like to do some lightweight version of some software for raspian
[2:06] <virunga> i'm thinking what kind of program
[2:06] <virunga> *raspbian
[2:07] <mongrelion> don't know. why don't you try compiling some of the tools that people are trying to compile and don't work? nodejs for example :P
[2:07] <mongrelion> kn1000: how do they do then the packaging for raspbian? they've gotta compiling somewhere, right?
[2:09] <kn1000> I'm sorry I don't quite understand
[2:10] <plugwash> the build cluster for raspbian consists of 8 freescale imx53 quickstart boards in mpthompsons basement
[2:10] <mongrelion> you say that it would be kinda pointless to share your compiled version of xbmc since we might have different kernel/firmware/whatever, right?
[2:11] <virunga> here's late
[2:11] <virunga> i'm going
[2:11] <virunga> good night
[2:11] <mongrelion> o/ nite.
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[2:39] <MycoRunner> any opinions on SD card brands?
[2:40] <[SLB]> sandisk extreme
[2:40] <MasterGeek> sandisk / kingston work ok
[2:40] <MycoRunner> alright
[2:40] <mrdragons> have a couple pny ones that work
[2:41] <[SLB]> also sony
[2:41] <MycoRunner> I'm hesitant about buying an Amazon branded SD card
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[2:42] <[SLB]> have a look here to get an idea of the performances by brand http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#Results_5
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[2:45] <MycoRunner> [SLB]: wow the speeds are all over the place
[2:45] <[SLB]> eheh
[2:46] <[SLB]> you can sort the columns if it looks messy
[2:47] <MycoRunner> I just mean I'm surprised the results are so inconsistant
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[2:47] <[SLB]> yes i think it may even depend on the power supply adopted
[2:48] <plugwash> one big issue is that many SD card manufacturers are really just rebranders
[2:48] <[SLB]> but with sandisk you should be safe, they're always on top
[2:49] <plugwash> so even on genuine cards two cards with the same outer appearance may be made by completely differen companies with completely different technology
[2:49] <plugwash> and then there are a load of fakes arround too
[2:49] <[SLB]> yes that too
[2:50] <MycoRunner> I'm a little concerned about the whole power supply thing, even that can change performance and stability?
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[2:50] <MycoRunner> I was planning on using just my 1A phone charger
[2:51] <[SLB]> i use my htc phone charger, it's 5v/1a
[2:51] <timg> same
[2:51] <timg> htcrpi bros unite
[2:51] <[SLB]> but i've noticed with the same charger but different usb cables, i get a .4v drop
[2:52] <timg> i'm concerned about have the rpi powered on all the time
[2:52] <[SLB]> so even the cable can make the difference
[2:52] <timg> it's been on for like a week straight now
[2:52] <Tobias|> timg: why?
[2:52] <timg> Tobias|: idunno
[2:52] <Tobias|> It's solid state
[2:52] <timg> cheap
[2:52] <Tobias|> It'll probably last longer if you leave it online for weeks at a time instead of turn it on and off every few hours
[2:52] <timg> plugged into a phone charger
[2:53] <Tobias|> because it won't heat up/cool down as much :P
[2:53] <timg> i see
[2:53] <[SLB]> maybe worry more about the life of the charger :3
[2:53] <Tobias|> Though I wouldn't worry either way, even then
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[2:54] <mongrelion> I don't have my raspberry pi plugged to any ups. I'll have to turn it off some time /o\ noooo :C bye bye, uptime.
[2:55] <Tobias|> <.<
[2:55] <[SLB]> lol
[2:55] <Tobias|> I'm powering my raspberry pi using an old netbook's USB port
[2:55] <Tobias|> Dodgiest/cheapest UPS of all time? :P
[2:57] <[SLB]> eheh
[2:58] <timg> yea mine's straight into a cheapo power strip
[2:59] <mrdragons> Hmm, speaking of power supplies, what's the maximum voltage the pi can take?
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[3:00] <[SLB]> 5.25V i think
[3:00] <plugwash> noone really knows for sure but personally I wouldn't go over the 5.25V given in the USB spec
[3:01] <timg> so i saw someone had a lego case
[3:02] <timg> wonder how hard that is to make
[3:02] <plugwash> not hugely if you have suitable lego to hand
[3:04] <plugwash> (or are prepared to buy thedailybrick's kit)
[3:04] <kn1000> my raspberry pi setup is beginning to get ridiculous lol
[3:04] <kn1000> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/576092_3313428128180_675943818_n.jpg
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[3:05] <plugwash> the main thing is that you need to use single stud wide lego bricks for the walls, otherwise connector access is likely to be too restricted
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[3:36] <dirty_d> well im just plain confused
[3:37] <dirty_d> is anyone using bootc's pre-built debian 3.2.23 kernel?
[3:37] <dirty_d> if i usethe precompiled one, it doesnt boot, and if i build it myself it doesnt boot
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[3:54] <f8ba208e18> hello fellow piers
[3:54] <kn1000> Running Raspbian, how do I set up a Samba share?
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[3:59] <GriffenJBS> kn1000: fyi there is the #raspbian channel
[4:00] <kn1000> I was not aware that was a channel
[4:00] <kn1000> thanks
[4:00] <dirty_d> kn1000, archlinux has a pretty good wiki, id just follow that and figure out the differences
[4:00] <GriffenJBS> are you trying to mount a share or create the share?
[4:00] <GriffenJBS> either way you'll have more luck trying with cifs
[4:00] <dirty_d> which are likely just package names
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[4:01] <Ken1> hello
[4:01] <kn1000> gregj, I just want to be able to access my files off my external hard drive on windows boxes
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[4:01] <kn1000> I kind of can with ssh but I want something integrated with windows explorer
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[4:05] <GriffenJBS> kn1000: not sure, MS doesn't make it easy, and I've never tried to share that direction before
[4:06] <kn1000> GriffenJBS, Hmn fair enough, I'll stick with Samba
[4:06] <dr_summer> kn1000: i think what you want to look into is installing samba and then configuring the smb.conf (which is VERY well commented)
[4:06] <GriffenJBS> samba is old, it's based on SMB, MS has moved away from that, the samba package is what you want to use (I think) but the protocol has changed
[4:07] <GriffenJBS> hence things like mount.cifs
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[4:07] <kn1000> sudo apt-get install samba
[4:07] <kn1000> currently setting up
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[4:08] <Tachyon`> you only need samba to serve
[4:08] <Tachyon`> if you just want to mount smb shares you don't need anything extra
[4:08] <GriffenJBS> kn1000: this may help
[4:08] <kn1000> ok sambas installed
[4:09] <kn1000> I just want my external hard disk visible on my windows box
[4:09] <kn1000> that's it lol
[4:09] <GriffenJBS> http://www.simonthepiman.com/how_to_setup_windows_file_server.php
[4:09] <kn1000> ooh
[4:09] <kn1000> nice find
[4:09] <kn1000> !bot
[4:09] <kn1000> aww that would make a good factoid
[4:10] <GriffenJBS> I googled "raspberry pi samba share"
[4:10] <kn1000> now I feel dumb
[4:10] <kn1000> :3
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[4:23] <MasterGeek> ACTION is away: Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too be-hatch
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[5:41] <Zeliss> I am rather frustrated with RS's slow delivery speed :P
[5:42] <Zeliss> I'm sure that's a common opinion here.
[5:42] <Ishpeck> Yeah, I waited four months.
[5:42] <sirstan> Ferral is shipping "fast"
[5:43] <Zeliss> I don't have the money to get two of them, so I wonder if cancelling my order with RS and buying from Element 14 would actually come sooner.
[5:43] <Zeliss> Seeing as I ordered June 26
[5:43] <Zeliss> and people who purchased from Element in July already have theirs
[5:44] <sirstan> I ordered from newark/element on July 27.
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[5:45] <sirstan> Received August 8th
[5:45] <sirstan> Ordered from RS on July 13th.
[5:45] <sirstan> Nothing yet.
[5:45] <Zeliss> Ugh
[5:45] <Zeliss> There really was no way for me to see this coming though.
[5:46] <sirstan> cancel RS.
[5:46] <Zeliss> I think I'll shoot them an email first. I'd hate to cancel a day or two before it ships/
[5:47] <sirstan> Element wont charge your CC until it ships.
[5:47] <sirstan> Get an order in tonight
[5:47] <Zeliss> hmm
[5:47] <sirstan> RS is international.
[5:47] <sirstan> If it ships tomorrow.. it will still take a week.
[5:47] <sirstan> Took me 10 days order to delivery from element
[5:48] <Zeliss> Are they each manufacturing with different factories?
[5:49] <Zeliss> I wonder if there are any quality differences between the pi from each company
[5:50] <Wendo> They are, and there are differences between each, although slight
[5:51] <kn1000> farnell took around 2 weeks from order placed to unit at my door
[5:55] <Zeliss> Do you think specifying any specific "primary job role" will speed up the order?
[5:55] <sirstan> no idea
[5:55] <Zeliss> I'll just be honest on everything then
[6:01] <Zeliss> Wait, does Allied/RS not charge until it ships too?
[6:01] <sirstan> i didnt check
[6:01] <Zeliss> Because the account I'm ordering doesn't have much in it, I wouldn't want to overdraw.
[6:01] <Zeliss> *ordering from
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[6:01] <Zeliss> wat
[6:01] <sirstan> if your that close hold off!
[6:02] <Zeliss> similar username, huh
[6:02] <Zeliss> yeah
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[6:02] <Zeliss> I'm wondering if I filled out something wrong, it's coming out to 45 ish American
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[6:13] <f8ba208e18> which wifi adapter do you guys recommend?
[6:15] <Wendo> if you haven't got one already that works in linux, the Edimax EW-7811UN is probably the most common one used. Plenty of people have them working although it's not plug n play
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[6:15] <f8ba208e18> what steps are required?
[6:15] <Wendo> http://blog.kartolo.de/2012/07/20/installing-wifi-adapter-on-raspberry-pi/
[6:16] <f8ba208e18> thanks so much for googling that for me
[6:16] <Wendo> or any of the many forum threads :). there is a script on the forums that will perofm most of the steps for you too
[6:16] <f8ba208e18> thanks again
[6:16] <Wendo> I've got one here working without issue
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[6:23] <heathkid> don't even try anything with a Realtek chipset
[6:24] <f8ba208e18> heh
[6:25] <heathkid> found that out the hard way with the beagle-bone
[6:25] <heathkid> "perfect for the beagle-bone" so they say... yet they don't work.
[6:26] <heathkid> want to buy six of them that don't work with linux?
[6:26] <heathkid> :)
[6:26] <heathkid> haven't tried the one that DOES work with my rpi yet
[6:27] <f8ba208e18> six? jesus
[6:27] <heathkid> maybe the Realtek RTL8188CUS chipset will work with the rpi
[6:27] <heathkid> I dunno
[6:28] <heathkid> well, supposedly... one out of four might work for an hour or so before dropping...
[6:28] <heathkid> but if you want STABLE.... heh
[6:29] <heathkid> but I'll never buy another Realtek based usb wifi dongle period...
[6:30] <heathkid> not for anything linux based anyway
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[6:31] <f8ba208e18> sorry to hear that, man
[6:31] <heathkid> eh... it's just parts
[6:31] <heathkid> live, learn, move on...
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[6:32] <heathkid> wish I owned stock in SFE and Adafruit though! :)
[6:33] <heathkid> and Seeed.... but haven't ordered from them in a while
[6:33] <heathkid> the other two get most of my paychecks
[6:33] <heathkid> :)
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[6:35] <heathkid> them and Proto Advantage
[6:36] <heathkid> ordered another pair of four-channel 18-bit ADC's from them (SMT to DIP custom boards built with machine pins installed) yesterday
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[6:38] <heathkid> DigiKey Part Number: MCP3424-E/SL-ND
[6:38] <heathkid> that's to die for! AWESOME!!!
[6:38] <heathkid> four channels of 18-bit ADC and either speaks I2C or SPI...
[6:39] <heathkid> what more could a rpi owner ask for???
[6:40] <heathkid> get Proto Advantage to put it on a breakout board and you're looking at about $20
[6:41] <f8ba208e18> ok I must leep now. this damn RPi is going to ruin my career
[6:41] <f8ba208e18> sleep*
[6:41] <heathkid> sleep?
[6:42] <heathkid> hold on... just a sec
[6:42] <heathkid> here's the adapter... http://www.proto-advantage.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=2200003
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[6:43] <f8ba208e18> somehow, buffering forever
[6:44] <heathkid> throw that on an Adafruit Prototyping Pi Plate and you're good to go!
[6:44] <heathkid> and you can sleep well knowing you'll have the best of the best of the best
[6:44] <heathkid> :)
[6:45] <heathkid> now you all know my secret!
[6:46] <f8ba208e18> nice
[6:46] <f8ba208e18> haha
[6:46] <f8ba208e18> see you
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[6:46] <heathkid> g'nite
[6:46] <GriffenJBS> heathkid: problems with realtek?
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[6:47] <heathkid> GriffenJBS: not anymore since I'm not using them
[6:47] <heathkid> I gave up
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[6:47] <heathkid> haven't tried them with my rpi's yet though
[6:47] <heathkid> only the beagle-bone running ubuntu
[6:48] <heathkid> I try to stay away from angstrom! bad experience and a LOT of $$$ wasted on gumstix...
[6:49] <GriffenJBS> I've never used a beagle-bone, but I have used realtek wifi with rpi, so far so good
[6:49] <GriffenJBS> I'm using the 8188CUS that is listed as problematic on the rpi hardware page
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[6:51] <GriffenJBS> there are some usb issues on the pi, so that seems to affect a lot of hardware, but it's getting better by the week (sometimes day)
[6:53] <heathkid> we were working with the developer and ended up going with the TP-LINK TP-N821N (Mfg Part No. TL-WN821N).... not the latest, but 100% rock solid stable on the beagle-bone and ubuntu...
[6:53] <heathkid> again... haven't tried either on the rpi yet
[6:54] <heathkid> I've got two of the newer TP-LINK adapters... they aren't as stable
[6:55] <heathkid> but then again... I can't run Ubuntu on the rpi yet either... ;)
[6:55] <heathkid> I just hope we don't run into the same problems we did with Angstrom
[6:57] <heathkid> if *anyone* gets Ubuntu running on the Raspberry-Pi.... *sign me up*! :)
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[6:58] <heathkid> and where can we find a cheap HDMI <7" display?
[6:59] <heathkid> I don't want a 1.5" composite one... lol
[6:59] <mjr> It'd need an unofficial recompiling project akin to raspbian. Uberry, say.
[6:59] <heathkid> nice
[6:59] <heathkid> mjr: are you taking on that project?
[6:59] <mjr> no
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[7:00] <heathkid> it wouldn't take much... just 60 hours a day and more than that to keep it supported
[7:01] <heathkid> but Uberry.... sounds *nice*!
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[7:02] <heathkid> doesn't it?
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[7:22] <TeeCee> \o/ Got my Pi monitored by Munin... :D
[7:23] <sirstan> heh
[7:24] <TeeCee> No biggie, but cool to see how it performs...
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[7:49] <home> lol
[7:49] <home> anyone here uses apt-get upgrade
[7:49] <home> thing takes a loooong time upgate..
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[7:52] <muep> try aptitude, it seems to often take a bit longer
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[7:54] <home> yeah
[7:54] <home> its done....*sigh*
[7:54] <home> and I am going to install a desktop after this
[7:54] <home> lol
[8:00] <home> going to power the pi off after this
[8:00] <home> ad restart it
[8:00] <home> man
[8:00] <home> the thing hheaats
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[8:08] <home> GUYS
[8:08] <home> is there a way to measure the temp of rasp pi?
[8:09] <hotwings> temp gun?
[8:09] <home> from the SoC
[8:10] <hotwings> not sure but you could install lm-sensors and sensors-detect
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[8:12] <Gabtendo> Hello
[8:12] <Gabtendo> Do any of you guys use an alternative keyboard layout?
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[8:14] <home> hotwings: tried..it dont detect any
[8:14] <home> really sad
[8:14] <home> I was planning on adding heatsinks and power a fan from GPIO to cool it
[8:14] <home> I want to make my PI give as much as oomph as possible XD
[8:16] <Gabtendo> any dvorak users here?
[8:16] <home> oh god
[8:16] <home> I tried switching to it
[8:16] <home> all I know is aoeu
[8:16] <home> LOL
[8:17] <home> Gabtendo: you should be able to use it..
[8:17] <Gabtendo> home: colemak looks interesting
[8:17] <Gabtendo> the only bad thing about dvorak as far as I can tell so far
[8:17] <Gabtendo> is hitting the "L" key is a BITCH
[8:18] <Gabtendo> like
[8:18] <Gabtendo> I have NO IDEA why he put the l key where he did
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[8:19] <home> I might try colemak
[8:19] <home> it seems to be going mainstream
[8:19] <home> my goal
[8:19] <home> is to converter to dvorak-programming in 5 years
[8:19] <Gabtendo> dvorak is good - don't get me wrong
[8:19] <home> unless text to speech becomes godly...
[8:19] <home> for writing programs..
[8:19] <Gabtendo> but my right-hand pinkie is just killing me
[8:20] <home> then it sucks
[8:20] <Gabtendo> also
[8:20] <home> if it is that painful
[8:20] <home> lol
[8:20] <Gabtendo> what sucks about learning a new keyboard layout
[8:20] <Gabtendo> is I'm about 120 WPM with qwerty
[8:20] <Gabtendo> so I can barely stand typing with other layouts
[8:20] <Gabtendo> it's just ssoooooo slow to start out with
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[8:24] <home> Yeah
[8:24] <home> 120wpm with qwerty? that is godly
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[8:39] <TheFarfar> I'm like 50 wpm -_-
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[8:39] <Gabtendo> I type a lot.
[8:39] <Gabtendo> Like, a lot.
[8:39] <home> Gabtendo: we can telll
[8:39] <criten> Hey guys, I'm trying to read data coming from an arduino using pyserial. The data it gets seems to be blank when I call read. can anyone shed any light? I can write to it.
[8:40] <home> criten: did you try Arduino serial reader, or Processing IDE serial reader from RPI
[8:40] <home> should clear things up..
[8:40] <Gabtendo> home: also, it's not that the right hand pinkie is painful: I'm used to using it for "p" all the time, after all, it's just "killing me" to think that I'm wasting that finger movement unnecessarily
[8:40] <Gabtendo> Also, who here ordered a gertboard
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[8:41] <criten> home: Is that a package in apt?
[8:43] <home> criten: try installing the arduino processing IDE, I would be dumbfounded if it was not there
[8:43] <home> criten: it comes included with your Processing IDE, look around XD
[8:44] <hotwings> why switch to dvorak? just for something new or?
[8:44] <home> criten: I was biting my nails of trying to find it at one point.
[8:44] <home> hotwings: dvorak makes you faster
[8:44] <home> hotwings: increases your productivity, and all.
[8:44] <hotwings> i would imagine that also depends on the person
[8:48] <Gabtendo> hotwings: also, RSI
[8:49] <Gabtendo> hotwings: also, qwerty was *literally* designed to be slow
[8:49] <home> Gabtendo: I have the Colemak layout and Dvorak layout on my pc ready, and I switch to it pretty often
[8:49] <home> Gabtendo: so far AOEU, is embedded in my head
[8:49] <home> Gabtendo: since i practiced with it..lol
[8:49] <Gabtendo> it was designed to make you type slower so the old mechanical typewriters would jam and have to be repaired less
[8:49] <home> Gabtendo: a good keyboard also helps :)
[8:49] <home> Gabtendo: typing on my laptop makes me feel really CRIPPLED
[8:50] <Gabtendo> I'm typing on my laptop right now
[8:50] <Gabtendo> I honestly type about 100 - 140 WPM depending on the keyboard
[8:50] <Gabtendo> on my Das keyboard I can easily get 140, but it's hard to say that's my normal
[8:50] <Gabtendo> I can more consistently get 120 on just about anything
[8:50] <home> That is some insane speed
[8:50] <home> I am at like 60WPM
[8:50] <home> you are my goal
[8:50] <Gabtendo> on a really horrendous laptop keyboard, I usually get 100
[8:50] <home> LOL
[8:51] <Gabtendo> minimum,
[8:51] <home> I have an Acer Aspire
[8:51] <home> bite me..
[8:51] <Gabtendo> honestly I never tried to type fast; I just type so much
[8:51] <home> what do you type? LOL
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[8:51] <Gabtendo> mmm
[8:51] <Gabtendo> IRC
[8:51] <Gabtendo> papers
[8:51] <Gabtendo> more IRC
[8:51] <Gabtendo> game chat
[8:51] <home> papers? what kind of papers?
[8:52] <Gabtendo> academic
[8:52] <home> what software? I use Latex..
[8:52] <Gabtendo> yeah, latex
[8:52] <home> I see
[8:52] <Gabtendo> easier to write papers with latex.
[8:52] <home> I am still a latex nub.. lol
[8:52] <Gabtendo> It's easy
[8:52] <home> but I have written some papers
[8:52] <Gabtendo> especially citing sources
[8:52] <Gabtendo> also, use biblatex
[8:52] <Gabtendo> has better support for obscure sources than bibtex alone
[8:53] <home> oh god
[8:53] <home> I need to save that
[8:53] <home> right now
[8:53] <home> before I forget it (2:51 pm)
[8:53] <Gabtendo> also
[8:53] <criten> home: It works with the arduino serial port monitor...
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[8:53] <Gabtendo> if you use biblatex you can do fancy things like tell it to do MLA formatted bibliographies
[8:53] <criten> home: but not in python
[8:53] <home> criten: Its working? OMG
[8:54] <Gabtendo> bibtex is pretty much just bibtex
[8:54] <Gabtendo> not very flexible
[8:54] <criten> home: Yea... it actualy just installed the whole IDE : ]
[8:54] <home> criten: I think you found your problem then :D
[8:54] <criten> home: apt-get install arduino
[8:54] <home> criten: Glad you got some leeway... :)
[8:54] <home> Gabtendo: want to check out a tex doc I made..?
[8:54] <home> XD
[8:54] <Gabtendo> um, sure?
[8:55] <Gabtendo> home: want to check out a tex doc I made...?
[8:55] <Gabtendo> It's short; I promise.
[8:55] <home> YEAH :D but I dont have tex installed currently :D
[8:55] <home> http://speedmodeling.org/smcfiles/home_tor.tex
[8:55] <home> pdf please.. lol
[8:55] <criten> home: Just need to figure out why it isn't working with python.... >.< It's nice to see it at-least working though. Glad it has support for this usb-serial chip.
[8:55] <Gabtendo> home: um, I meant the rendered document
[8:55] <Gabtendo> home: https://gabmedia.org/meaning.pdf
[8:55] <home> Gabtendo: Here is a rendered one.. LOL http://speedmodeling.org/smcfiles/home_photosynthesis.pdf
[8:56] <home> I suck at writing reports, but that one was rushed
[8:56] <home> I deserve a slap in the face..but I am still in HS...
[8:56] <Gabtendo> home: oh god, your typographical errors
[8:56] <Gabtendo> they hurt
[8:57] <home> Yeah
[8:57] <home> I need to clean my stuff up
[8:57] <home> I need practice writing..code also..haha
[8:57] <home> nice references
[8:57] <Gabtendo> they're valid
[8:58] <Gabtendo> the 'god damn particle' was written by a PhD physicist with a clever since of humor >.>
[8:58] <Gabtendo> sense*
[8:58] <home> ha..anyway
[8:58] <Gabtendo> oh god, I start exchanging words when I need to go to bed
[8:58] <home> I better get some sleep
[8:58] <Gabtendo> wait home
[8:58] <home> its almost 3am, LOL
[8:58] <Gabtendo> home: It's important to learn the typographical standards for things
[8:58] <home> i am waiting for my rasp pi to finish installing something
[8:59] <home> Gabtendo: go on :d
[8:59] <Gabtendo> home: for instance, take a look at my table of data points
[8:59] <Gabtendo> seems pretty standard, right?
[8:59] <Gabtendo> Well, there's a trillion different ways I could have done that, and easily
[8:59] <Gabtendo> but I followed the standards: no horizontal lines, for one
[8:59] <home> The table right?
[8:59] <Gabtendo> yes
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[9:00] <home> okay
[9:00] <home> oh god, sigma 5 comfirmation...
[9:00] <Gabtendo> There is actually even a special command I had to go through to do the type of line that's below the data description and above the data
[9:00] <Gabtendo> which is *different* from the other lines
[9:00] <home> I like your graph
[9:00] <home> lol
[9:01] <home> my maths are weak, dont know integration...
[9:01] <Gabtendo> also
[9:01] <home> uh huh
[9:01] <Gabtendo> when I said no horizontal lines, I meant vertical
[9:01] <Gabtendo> home: also, that graph is a vector
[9:01] <home> Okay
[9:01] <Gabtendo> try zooming in.
[9:02] <home> cool
[9:02] <home> mine is a vector also
[9:02] <home> haha
[9:02] <home> Gabtendo: I use a vector editing program to change some quick formatting problems
[9:02] <home> since I am still a noob to Latex..
[9:02] <home> Illustrator or even Inkscape helps I heard
[9:02] <home> anyway
[9:03] <home> I oughta go to sleep
[9:03] <home> Good night, nice talking with you XD
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[9:04] <criten> '\xd15)\xa2\x95\x91\xd15R\xa2\x95\x91' Is that suposed to be hex?
[9:04] <criten> this is a pyserial output..
[9:05] * [SLB] wonders how did it take that guy 15 mins to compile xbmc, mine it's compiling since 8 hours
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[9:11] <jaxdahl> [SLB], compiling on the rpi?
[9:13] <[SLB]> yes
[9:13] <jaxdahl> maybe he didn't use a SD card for stoarge
[9:13] <[SLB]> hm oh could be
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[9:26] <criten> Does anyone know of a terminal based serial port sniffer?
[9:28] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps/chapeses...
[9:28] <gordonDrogon> criten, minicom?
[9:29] <xiambax> Are there any BSD Varients available for rpi
[9:30] <gordonDrogon> FreeBSD is getting there: http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=164
[9:31] <criten> gordonDrogon: Found something else that should... but it's all blank data...
[9:32] <gordonDrogon> criten, not hard to write a program to sniff data though
[9:32] <criten> gordonDrogon: That's what i've been trying
[9:32] <gordonDrogon> criten, e.g if it's binary data, etc.
[9:32] <criten> gordonDrogon: to do.
[9:32] <gordonDrogon> criten, are you a C programmer?
[9:32] <criten> gordonDrogon: It's just data from an arduino over usb. I have been using python to no avail. Yes I am.
[9:33] <gordonDrogon> criten, ok. I only know C and wrote a C serial library - it's part of wiringPi
[9:33] <gordonDrogon> criten, but to read data and dump it in hex is only 4 lines of code...
[9:34] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/serial-library/
[9:34] <criten> gordonDrogon: The only time i've gotten data back that I want has been through the arduino IDE itself. Other sniffers, things i've written have failed to get anything decent...
[9:34] <criten> gordonDrogon: is wiringSerial.h included by default?
[9:35] <gordonDrogon> no, you need to include it.
[9:35] <criten> I mean... the wiringpi library
[9:35] <criten> by included i mean installed in the debian distro
[9:35] <gordonDrogon> so first you'd need to fetch and install wiringPi.
[9:35] <criten> alright.
[9:35] <gordonDrogon> no - it's not part of the distro.
[9:36] <criten> Also, i'm going through a usb serial adapter, should your library work?
[9:36] <gordonDrogon> but the program would just be a call to serialOpen ("/dev/ttyUSB0", 9600); then just call serialGetchar (fd) and print the byte in hex...
[9:36] <gordonDrogon> adjust as needed...
[9:37] <gordonDrogon> I'm about to have breakfast, but if stuck when I get back I can knock something up for you.
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[9:37] <criten> Okay thanks
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[9:45] <criten> gordonDrogon: test.c:(.text+0x20): undefined reference to `serialOpen'
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[10:07] <TheBrayn> Do you have any experience with the rpi as a thin client? I tried to use x2goclient the day before yesterday but the performance was pretty bad
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[10:39] <sunkan> TheBrayn: I have run it with the citrix receiver, it worked almost ok considering that X is unaccelerated. With X accelerated drives I think it should work fine..
[10:40] <booyaa> TheBrayn: there's a thin client project
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[10:40] <booyaa> http://rpitc.blogspot.co.uk/
[10:40] <booyaa> TheBrayn: ^^^
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[10:43] <f0x90> anyone setup i2p on these things?
[10:43] <f0x90> thinking about making a nice remote administration portal
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[10:44] <f0x90> also if i opted for the mele a1000, doe sthe wheezy image of the accelerataed debian or raspbian (w/e it's called) work on the ae1000
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[10:46] <chithead> mele a1000 is armv7, so there will be no point in using raspbian
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[10:54] <Gadgetoid> lulwut, Samsung sold 262,000 Tabs in 2010 rather than the 2 million they claimed
[10:55] <booyaa> was that after returns?
[10:56] <Gadgetoid> booyaa: Nah, after returns they ultimately sold 2??? both to the same guy who was convinced he could make them into a sandwich
[10:56] <Iota> You sure they didn't mean they made 2million (currency) from the 262,000 units sold.
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[10:56] <booyaa> Gadgetoid: he prolly heard ice cream sandwich was a really good version of android
[10:56] <booyaa> trolololo
[10:56] <Gadgetoid> Iota: you honestly think a galaxy tab is worth $7?
[10:57] <Gadgetoid> Iota: Perhaps $5 at a push, if you sold the materials to a scrap dealer
[10:57] <Iota> :-P
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[11:06] <Gadgetoid> 25% of Tab returns were due to malfunction and only 9% because the customer actually wanted an iPad
[11:07] <Gadgetoid> Then again, it's difficult to trust figures parroted by an Apple-specific blog who could hardly be considered independent
[11:07] <TheBrayn> only 9%?
[11:08] <TheBrayn> that does not sound low to me
[11:08] <Gadgetoid> Makes you wonder what the remainder of returns were
[11:10] <f0x90> chithead:
[11:10] <f0x90> if it's arm7 is that better or worse
[11:11] <f0x90> if the raspbian more hardware optimized and better to use? is there any really point in going with the mele a1000 over the pi because it has more usb ports and a power supply
[11:11] <TheBrayn> it's 1 better than arm6 :P
[11:11] <chithead> armv7 is where debian enables hardfp
[11:11] <f0x90> meaning?
[11:12] <chithead> the difference between debian and raspbian is that debian uses software fp on armv6
[11:12] <f0x90> oh
[11:12] <f0x90> so floating point calculations are done on die
[11:12] <f0x90> meaning faster?
[11:12] <chithead> that can all be read in the raspbian announcement
[11:12] <f0x90> i understand
[11:13] <f0x90> but i have 3 dozen tabs open in my adhd research and i need to decide before bedtime what piece of hardware im gonna try to setup debian and i2p on
[11:14] <TheBrayn> I don't have ADH... oh look a squirrel!
[11:14] <Arch-MBP> SQUIRRELL!!!
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[11:16] <Gadgetoid> Holy hell, Ouya got $8,596,475???. of their $950,000 goal
[11:16] <Draylor> seems to be how kickstarter works
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[11:17] <Draylor> either you get 10% or 1000% of your goal, seem to see more of those than the 90%/110%s
[11:17] <f0x90> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Mele-A2000-Android-Set-Top-Box-Internet-Player-Allwinner-Boxchip-A10-HDMI-WiFi-Hard-Disk-extend/803232_569873568.html
[11:17] * mjr doesn't have a good feeling about Ouya. Seems like they've seriously overhyped the project in relation to what it's likely to be able to achieve.
[11:17] <f0x90> look the a2000 is only 64$ aswell
[11:17] <f0x90> it hass tthe a8
[11:17] <Gadgetoid> Draylor: that's about 900% of their goal
[11:17] <Gadgetoid> Shame it's not??? OVER NINE THOUSAND
[11:18] <f0x90> 4gb nand
[11:18] <TheBrayn> Whenever I hear "Ouya" I have to think of the Kool-Aid Man
[11:19] <Draylor> yeah mjr, hard to see what they'll have that wont be cloned by 100 others if its remotely successful
[11:20] <mjr> I don't mean just that, but that they've created hype about what people would be wanting to play on their thing, giving ludicurously unrealistic options
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[11:20] <TheBrayn> I want to play Crysis 4 on the ouya
[11:21] <mjr> Yeah. No.
[11:21] <chithead> if you don't need all of the mele features, you can buy one of those android tv sticks for even less
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[11:25] <Gadgetoid> Ouya looks pretty good value
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[11:25] <Tron1275> morning all.....
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[11:26] <Tron1275> just a quick question... DarkELEC.... trying to get it to display PAL from video out.. i have put a config.txty file with sdtv_mode=2 in .. but when it starts seems to switch back to NTSC????
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[11:40] <gordonDrogon> morning..
[11:41] <MasterGeek> \O/
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[11:43] <gordonDrogon> todays task: Add more commands to my BASIC to support the A/D/A chips on the SPI bus on the Gertboard...
[11:47] <TheBrayn> You aren't seriously using BASIC?!
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[11:49] <gordonDrogon> Yes I am.
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> Seriously.
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> I wrote a BASIC interpreter at the start of the year, now want to use it to build stuff with.
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[11:51] <dwatkins> I started learning programming with BASIC, it was a very good place to start for an 8 year old :)
[11:51] * dwatkins shudders to think this was 26 years ago
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> same here - although I was 15.
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> 35 years ago for me :)
[11:51] <dwatkins> We got the beeb when I was about 6, I remember learning to count in hex :D
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> maybe 34...
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[11:53] <netman87> 00,02,03,04,05,06,07,08,09,0a,0b,0c,0d,0f,10,11.. ?
[11:53] <Gadgetoid> Whoops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hvlG2JtMts
[11:53] <netman87> oh did miss 01
[11:54] <dwatkins> yep, you neglected poor 0x01
[11:55] <netman87> other way its still valid?
[11:55] <dwatkins> depends if you wanted 0x0e too ;)
[11:55] <mikma> http://xbian.org/
[11:55] <netman87> okey
[11:56] <dwatkins> http://pcsupport.about.com/od/termshm/g/hexadecimal.htm netman87
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[11:57] <dwatkins> Hex is often written with '0x' to designate that it's hex not decimal, octal etc.
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[12:01] <Tron1275> just a quick question... DarkELEC.... trying to get it to display PAL from video out.. i have put a config.txty file with sdtv_mode=2 in .. but when it starts seems to switch back to NTSC????
[12:02] <TheBrayn> you seem to be unaware of the correct usage of an ellipsis
[12:02] <Tron1275> hmm???
[12:09] <bircoe> seems to switch to NTSC or does switch to NTSC????
[12:09] <bircoe> Does your TV show the current video mode to confirm?
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[12:11] <Tron1275> im using a usb capture dongle.. pal only... seems to boot in pal.. but then after the ELEC logo.. goes to lines!!!
[12:12] <Tron1275> im guessin its ntsc.. cos i dont think its got secam...??
[12:12] <chickey999> any plex users in here ?
[12:13] <chickey999> trying to get it to compile on the Pi without too much luck so far
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[12:14] <bircoe> Have you checked XBMC's settings to see if it's changing the video mode?
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[12:17] <bircoe> the config.txt file sets the initial boot settings the OS can still change the mode after/during boot
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[12:21] <Amadiro> Anybody know what S2 and S5 do on the rbpi (model B) board? They look like some sort of connector.
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[12:23] <RoTorIT> I have both SD and SDHC memory cards... what is best to use on the RPI?
[12:24] <bertrik> probably does not matter, but SDHC can be bigger than 2 GB
[12:25] <bircoe> Amadiro, one is DSI the other is CSI
[12:25] <Amadiro> bircoe, thanks.
[12:25] <stain> RoTorIT: use the fastest one :)
[12:25] <bircoe> RoTorIT, which ever is faster but both are fine.
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[12:25] <RoTorIT> bircoe: cool.. thanks :-)
[12:25] <bircoe> Amadiro, http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware
[12:26] <Neutron5> RoTorIT: hi ^^
[12:26] <RoTorIT> Neutron5: ahoy :-)
[12:26] <Amadiro> bircoe, neato
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[12:30] * RoTorIT is printing a box for his RPI first one did not fit: printed the http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:24721 and the hole for the RCA video plug was a few mm off
[12:30] <RoTorIT> and was a bit skinny
[12:30] <stain> looks good, how do they clip together?
[12:31] <RoTorIT> the lid have an edge that squeezes inside the bottom
[12:31] <RoTorIT> part
[12:32] <stain> I see now, the little bevel on http://www.thingiverse.com/image:143508
[12:32] <Neutron5> judging by the positions of the various ports on the RPI I don't think it was ever supposed to be cased in a box ^^
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[12:33] <Neutron5> at least the USB ports :P
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[12:35] <stain> no, and there are ports on every side, so it is hard to embed it in a larger enclosure without having to do extensions
[12:35] <stain> and nowhere to fix it or screw it
[12:35] <stain> it's a developer board, basically, that is the intention. It is meant to look cool as it is!
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[12:39] <RoTorIT> I think it looks great! just like my 3D-Printer electronics... nice and.. exposed :D
[12:44] <buZz> stain: i made the case closed on SD side
[12:44] <buZz> maybe a bit difficult to see, but ; http://gallery.nurdspace.nl/picture.php?/105/category/5
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[12:59] <alexBr> anyone around that have tried to use call_usermodehelper_exec() from an kernel module with the pi?
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[13:02] <Tron1275> bircoe ... i can see anything on the screen to check settings.. there wasnt a config.txt file untill i made one!! i dont have any hdmi monitors here :-(
[13:03] <Tron1275> opps .. shoult be CAAN!!!
[13:03] <Tron1275> damm keyboard... 'cant' !
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[13:16] <bircoe> Tron1275, wellsomething is changing the video mode... you may want to talk to the dev of DarkELEC
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[13:20] <Tron1275> or just get it hooked up to hdmi!!... i just thought id ask just incase someone on here had the same problem..!!.. cheers
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[13:21] <bircoe> you don't "need" a HDMI display, you can spend a few $ on a HDMI to DVI adapter... should work with just about any monitor that has DVI input.
[13:22] <bircoe> You can also get HDMI to DVI cables, I bought one not long ago that is 1.5 meter long and cost around $6
[13:22] <acausal> i got a dvi to hdmi cable that was way too long -.- cheap though
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[13:23] <bircoe> back shortly... rebooting
[13:23] <acausal> i now use it to idle in irc though, which doesnt require a screen
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[13:27] <Jck_true> Anybody got suggestions for tiny webservers suitable for the Pi? nginx apache lighttpd they all seem slightly overkill when i just need to server a basic html page with some javascript
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[13:28] <bircoe> they may be overkill but the device has more than enough resources to run them...
[13:28] <[SLB]> is lighttpd that heavy?
[13:29] <Jck_true> I plan to run aria2c (Which is a commandline download manager with an RPC interface) - Serveal webfront exsists - I basicly just need to serve one html from when aria2c is started till it's shut down
[13:29] <whitman> Jck_true, if you know javascript you could write a simple web server for Node.js
[13:30] <bircoe> have you looked at NanoHTTPD?
[13:30] <Jck_true> whitman: Ohhh! That was a great idea..!
[13:30] <bircoe> http://elonen.iki.fi/code/nanohttpd/
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[13:31] <[SLB]> nanohttpd is made in java?
[13:31] <Jck_true> bircoe: Ohh sorry - I got a very passionate hate towards java.... I prefer if you didn't change that :D
[13:32] <[SLB]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_lightweight_web_servers
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[13:34] <Tron1275> its not that i dont have a hdmi.. its just not here in work.... its a bit quiet.. so i thought i'd so some Pi'ing!!!
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[13:46] <Amadiro> Jck_true, lighttpd without any modules enabled hardly eats a lot of ram, so even just starting an empty node instance will probably be more demanding in terms of memory... if that's your concern, anyway, with 256MiB it doesn't really matter.
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[13:47] <Jck_true> Amadiro: Not sure if i even wanna mention this now - but considering the web interface is all javascript and no dynamic html generation... It doesn't even need to be hosted on the Rasp...
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[13:48] <Jck_true> Loading it straight from the authors page works perfectly
[13:48] <Amadiro> Jck_true, well, he might change his mind on that at some point.
[13:48] <Amadiro> So you're probably safer loading it from the rbpi... as I said, a lighttpd will hardly be a drag on your resources.
[13:49] <Jck_true> Suppose you're right - I'll just start and stop it with my deamon
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[13:57] <Jck_true> Amadiro: Along with xinetd i could actually just launch the deamon and the webserver when it's requested...
[13:57] <Amadiro> Jck_true, yeah, I guess that'd work
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[13:59] <bircoe> with the processor speed of the Pi and the speed of SD flash memory wouldn't that cause a delay when the page is requested?
[14:00] <Jck_true> bircoe: Yeah it would - But I don't see the need to run a torrent client unless you need it
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[14:01] <bircoe> wouldn't know... don't use torrents!
[14:02] <Jck_true> bircoe: Me neither! It's everybody else who does!
[14:05] <bircoe> I'm shocked that with all the legal attention torrents have recieved over the last few years that people continue to use them...
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[14:09] <ReggieUK> because there are legitimate uses for torrents
[14:09] <ReggieUK> lots of legal software distribution happens there too you know :)
[14:09] <bircoe> of course there is...
[14:10] <bircoe> but the ratio of legal to illegal downloads is far in the favour of illegal... and everyone knows it.
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[14:13] <nid0> who is it you're shocked at using torrents, legal or illegal distributors?
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> latest blog: https://projects.drogon.net/accurate-delays-on-the-raspberry-pi/
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[14:15] <buZz> gordonDrogon: is that you? :)
[14:15] <buZz> gordonDrogon: your head looks a bit burned ..
[14:15] <Amadiro> Does the current rbpi actually expose I??S through the GPIO headers?
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> buZz, in the photo? yes.
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, no.
[14:15] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, thanks.
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> buZz, exposure of the photo was a bit off - I think my shirt colour upset my wifes camera phone thing...
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, I2C, but not the I2S sound (presuming that's what you're after)
[14:16] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, yep.
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, I think there was a way to extract it - pretty sure I've seen something on the forums, so it might be worth searching there - probably means taking a soldering iron to the board though!
[14:17] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, right. I don't currently need it, I was just curious. I hope it makes a return in some later versions.
[14:18] <Amadiro> (as far as I've understood some previous versions had it exposed)
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> possibly - not an area I have much interest in though.
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[14:18] <buZz> gordonDrogon: easy to fix with 2 seconds of gimp ;)
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[14:21] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, having your GPIO controls in kernel-space could also be an option, at least that would fix the preemption and overhead issue (which I reckon makes up the majority of the issue)
[14:21] <Amadiro> Somewhat impractical for many users though, I suppose
[14:22] <friggle> gordonDrogon: Amadiro: someone posted a xenomai patchset on the forum, which could be interesting (RT support).
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[14:24] <bircoe> nid0, the people that distribute and download illegal content...
[14:26] <Iota> Just a reminder for anyone who wants a free subdomain over at raspberryip.org (or .com), they're hosted by FreeDNS.
[14:29] <TeeCee> Iota: I've already got one (from you)... :) Thanks
[14:30] <friggle> Iota: cute idea
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, you can access the gpio from userspace - wiringPi does that - but you need to run it as root...
[14:32] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, yes, I know, but then you can be preempted
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> sure - always hard to avoid.
[14:33] <mikma> root@raspberry-pi:~# sudo resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2
[14:33] <mikma> resize2fs: Permission denied to resize filesystem
[14:33] <mikma> bollocks
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> I've been using the real-time schedulling & high priority stuff on the Pi to good effect though.
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> mikma, Hm. that worked for me ...
[14:34] <sam> mikma: I don't think you can do that if the filesystem is mounted
[14:34] <[SLB]> unmount the partition
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> you can do it live.
[14:34] <[SLB]> yeap
[14:34] <mikma> unmounting / ? :O
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[14:35] <sam> mikma: try resize2fs -f
[14:35] <mikma> same error, no banana :P
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> it definately worked for me - however you might need to reboot if you've just changed the partition table.
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[14:35] <nid0> might = do
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> woo hoo - I have a sew-on patch from adafruit!!
[14:36] <mikma> gordondrogon: i rebooted rpi after i deleted the partitions 2 + 3 and recreated 2
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> mikma, ok - well ,that's most odd... wonder if there is anything else going on...
[14:36] <mikma> gordondrogon: btw, this is xbian 0.5
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[14:37] <gordonDrogon> mikma, Ah. Hm. I did it under debian... but I'm surprised it's any different...
[14:37] <mikma> well fdisk -uc didn't work either so i'm starting to think it's a bad thing
[14:38] <mikma> yet, it booted just fine
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[14:38] <gordonDrogon> friggle, I think that dabbling with the RT stuff, while intersting really isn't going to be mainstream for the majority of users, sadly.
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> So I'm trying to keep as much of my stuff as close to "standard" as possible...
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> although needing root is still a PITA at times )-:
[14:39] <friggle> gordonDrogon: I agree, particularly if you're finding you get by ok as-is
[14:39] <nid0> mikma run:
[14:39] <nid0> dumpe2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2 | grep resize_inode
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> friggle, yep - I think we get "get by" and do just enough, then if people do need the real RT stuff, then they'll know where to look.
[14:40] <mikma> nid0: ok, prints the filesystem features, lots of them.
[14:40] <nid0> alright, no problem there then
[14:40] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, you could always make a little daemon that lets users set pins (but then any timing goes completely out of the window) or configure some udev rules so that you get some devices in /dev/ that users are allowed to manipulate, I guess
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> the stuff I did for the multiplexed LED display was remarkably effective too.
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, I did consider writing a /dev/ driver for it, but other things happened, and I keep getting told that it's not the Linux way :)
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> but then neither is mmapping the hardware!
[14:41] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, how is writing a /dev/ driver not the linux way?
[14:41] <Amadiro> That's totally the linux way.
[14:41] <nid0> I havent used xbian, it doesnt do anything stupid like use ext2 does it? or, on the same vein, have you disabled the filesystem's journal?
[14:41] <Hodapp> not the Linux way?! http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Coffee.html
[14:42] <Hodapp> they make /dev/coffee
[14:42] <Amadiro> amazing
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> :)
[14:42] <mikma> nid0: actually i'm not entirely sure
[14:42] <Hodapp> "And you will have a hot cup of coffee in minutes! Remember to give the right permissions to /dev/coffee, depending on whether you want only root making coffee or not."
[14:42] <Amadiro> thinking about it, I have an old espresso machine where the PID controller is broken, I suppose I could put a rbpi in there...
[14:42] <Hodapp> hah
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> sudo wife, make coffee ...
[14:43] <Amadiro> I don't trust anybody else with making me coffee, really...
[14:43] <Hodapp> I just boycotted the Keurig machine. I'm now making pour-over coffee.
[14:43] <RoTorIT> my very first RPI bootup https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21839627/20120810_143023.jpg :D
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[14:43] <gordonDrogon> I have a Dualit espresso machine.
[14:44] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: what's one of those cost?
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> I blogged about it once...
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> http://drogon.net/blog/2011/12/dualit-made-in-the-uk-what-could-possibly-go-wrong/
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, think it was about ?230? ish ...
[14:44] <mru> de'longhi here
[14:45] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, it uses pods rather than beans?
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> it uses either
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> I normally grind beans, but they had the promise of free pods ...
[14:46] <mikma> oh well, might aswell wait for xbian fellows to come up a way to resize the partition to full
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> it's a very expensive way of buying coffee ...
[14:46] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, ok. I've tried some nespresso machines that used pods, and found it to be a pointless exercise to pay three times as much for half the taste.
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> Amadiro, quite.
[14:46] <Amadiro> Also, can't make your own blends that way
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> and nespresso is .. well ... nescafe and we're a nestle free house.
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[14:47] <Amadiro> And as we all know, tweaking everything to work optimally is half the fun anyway :)
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[14:48] <Hodapp> Amadiro: We have a Nespresso here too.
[14:48] <Hodapp> It isn't nearly as stupid as the Keurig, but meh.
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> I'm currently putting a Pi into one of the Adafruit cases... and I'm pretty amazed at what they're doing with laser cut acrylic now.
[14:49] <Matt> we have a keurig and a tassimo
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[14:49] <gordonDrogon> they've cut "spring" clips in the sides to hold the other sides on.
[14:49] <Matt> and TBH, they both produce acceptable coffee
[14:49] <Matt> nothing particularly amazing
[14:49] <mrichards> who want my RPI? ;)
[14:49] <Matt> and nowhere near as good as taking the time to make something fresh
[14:50] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: we have a laser cutter as the local hackerspace and folks continue to amaze me.
[14:50] <Amadiro> Hodapp, never heard of Keurig
[14:50] <Hodapp> Amadiro: for single-serving coffee they're huge in the US
[14:50] <nid0> my cafetiere produces nice coffee, and cost all of ??7
[14:50] <Amadiro> Hodapp, nice, we were considering getting one too for our hackerspace -- we just have a 3D printer right now, which works but isn't very neat.
[14:50] <mru> I've seen them in many a hotel room
[14:50] <Hodapp> Amadiro: What kind?
[14:51] <Amadiro> Hodapp, standard makerbot kind of thing.
[14:51] <Hodapp> nid0: hmm, given, I'm in the US but that seems kind of steep.
[14:51] <Amadiro> I don't remember the precise model
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[14:51] <Hodapp> Amadiro: ah, we have a Makerbot too. We're trying to make a Reprap. We also have an industrial 3D printer that a company donated but no one's really put the work into getting it functioning.
[14:51] <nid0> Hodapp: eh?
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[14:52] <Matt> have you guys seen the ZPM Espresso Nocturn?
[14:52] <mru> nid0: I have a couple of those too, but it's so much easier to just push a button...
[14:52] <Hodapp> looks like close to $9-$10 for a coffee
[14:52] <Amadiro> Hodapp, ah. I think our university has an industrial 3D printer somewhere as well (I think it makes models out of steel using subtraction), but it's not so easy to get access to.
[14:53] <Matt> http://zpmespresso.myshopify.com/
[14:53] <mru> Hodapp: for a utensil you can make thousands of cups with
[14:53] <Matt> open source espresso :)
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[14:53] <nid0> Hodapp: er, the cafetiere is a piece of equipment, like a coffee machine, but like a hundredth of the price
[14:53] <Hodapp> nid0: errr, sorry, I read it as a bastardization of 'cafeteria' and read 'coffee' as 'a brewed coffee'
[14:54] <Matt> nid0: you may find that s/cafetiere/french press/ makes more sense for americans
[14:54] <Hodapp> yes, looks like we call those French presses here
[14:54] <Amadiro> Matt, cool
[14:54] <mru> Matt: but that spoils all the fun
[14:54] <Hodapp> I'd never heard the term 'cafetiere' before
[14:55] <Amadiro> Me neither, and I'm from europe :)
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> aka. french press...
[14:55] <Hodapp> nobody would buy something called a 'cafetiere' here, they'd have no idea how to pronounce it and they'd think it was some kind of bidet or something
[14:55] <Hodapp> but put a nationality in front of it and it'll sell much better
[14:56] <Matt> they make good coffee
[14:56] <Hodapp> yes
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[14:56] <Matt> but unfortunately, have you drinking more of the grounds
[14:56] <Hodapp> enh
[14:56] <mru> Hodapp: "mexican coffee maker"?
[14:56] <Matt> due to the courseness of the filter
[14:56] <nid0> get one with a decent filter :>
[14:56] <mru> I'm sure that'll sell...
[14:56] <Hodapp> when I do pour-over coffee, plenty of grounds end up in there too
[14:56] <Matt> which there seems to be some feeling that this isn't good for you :)
[14:57] <bertrik> I use a basic drip machine but I grind the beans only just before making coffee
[14:57] <Hodapp> when I use the Keurig, I end up with God-knows-what in the coffee because no one cleans the filter
[14:57] <Amadiro> Matt, if you have a good grinder that makes consistently-sized grains and you use it on a high setting, you can reduce the sludge pretty nicely
[14:57] <Hodapp> also, I'm a little wary when the coffee grounds come in plastic cups that scent/taste/chemicals are going to transfer out when they put boiling water in it
[14:57] <mru> yeah, you need something that actually grinds rather than chops
[14:57] <Matt> drip coffee is good too, so long as you deliver the water at the right temperature
[14:58] <Matt> a lot of the machines bring the water up an uninsulated tube through the water reservoir
[14:58] <Hodapp> Matt: I prefer pour-over, really, and then I don't have to bother with a horrid appliance such as a coffeemaker
[14:58] <Matt> so the temperature of the delivered hot water varies dramatically
[14:58] <Amadiro> Matt, well, technically it actually is somewhat bad for you, since pour-over paper filters take away much more of the oils, while a french press lets all of that through -- thicker taste, but more colesterol
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[14:58] <Tu13es> chemex ftw
[14:58] <Hodapp> Amadiro: the jury is still out on that kind of cholesterol, I think
[14:58] * Matt wonders when this turned into #coffee
[14:59] <Amadiro> Hodapp, might be, I'm not a chemist/biologist/nutrionist, so I don't actually know much about that kind of thing.
[14:59] <Hodapp> When someone writes 'coffee' in your respective countries - what is normally meant by default? In the US it seems to be 'drip coffee' dominantly
[14:59] <Matt> Hodapp: same in canada
[14:59] <Hodapp> Matt: well duh, you have Tim Horton there :P
[14:59] <Matt> in the UK it depends a lot on where you happen to be
[14:59] <bertrik> when I was in Australia, it meant instant coffee + hot water
[14:59] <Amadiro> Hodapp, in germany it'd typically refer to either drip- or press-coffee.
[15:00] <Hodapp> bertrik: iiinteresting.
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[15:00] <Hodapp> I have never tried instant coffee.
[15:00] <Matt> Hodapp: you're not missing much
[15:00] <mru> good for you
[15:00] <mru> douglas adams said it best, although he was talking about tea
[15:00] <Hodapp> the stigma that I seem to sense is that if you drink instant coffee you may as well just piss in a cup
[15:00] <Hodapp> mru: Adams said much about tea - what's the relevant quote here?
[15:00] <mru> that's about right
[15:00] <Matt> TBH, it does taste pretty much like coffee
[15:01] <Matt> but it tends to be rather bitter
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[15:01] <mru> "a liquid that was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea"
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> Heh.. coffee wars in ruralistan where I live:
[15:02] <Hodapp> I should buy a French press though - I saw them for maybe $20-$25 in Target and I'm sure if I looked at places-that-aren't-Target I could find cheaper, better ones
[15:02] <Tu13es> i just got mine on amazon, found a bodum with decent reviews
[15:02] <Tu13es> i like it but i prefer my chemex
[15:02] <Matt> Hodapp: quite probably
[15:02] <Hodapp> I also make cold brew sometimes to do iced coffee or whatever
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[15:03] <Matt> Hodapp: depending on what sort of coffee you like, a moka pot might also be a good investment
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19146445
[15:03] <Hodapp> Hmm... Has h*twings been behaving himself? I might take him off ignore.
[15:03] <mru> gordonDrogon: I read about that the other day...
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> bodum seems to be a very popular make. I used to call them 'bodums' before I realised it was a brand.
[15:03] <mru> can't blame 'em
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[15:03] <gordonDrogon> mru, I live 7 miles from Totnes :)
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[15:04] <Hodapp> 'produces coffee by passing hot water pressurized by steam through ground coffee' . . . sounds similar to espresso
[15:04] <booyaa> oh dear pished again
[15:04] <booyaa> sorrry peeps if i talk utter junk
[15:05] <Hodapp> hm, does Folgers sell anything in Europe?
[15:05] <booyaa> what crystals?
[15:05] <Hodapp> ground coffee, maybe whole bean too
[15:06] <booyaa> don't think so, unless it's for us ex-pats
[15:06] <Hodapp> it's just shitty, popular coffee
[15:06] <Matt> gordonDrogon: intresting
[15:06] <mru> I get my beans at whittard
[15:07] <mru> they're decent and have a store in town
[15:07] <Hodapp> and apparently it almost became a Cincinnati-based company as part of P&G - but then P&G said "fuck that" and let J. M. Smucker Co. have them
[15:07] <Matt> Hodapp: correct - similar, but slightly different, to espresso
[15:07] <Matt> mru: find a local roaster
[15:07] <Matt> fresh roasted stuff is amazing
[15:07] <Hodapp> Matt: yeah, agreed there
[15:08] <Hodapp> I have Gevalia right now but the local stuff I've tried has been wonderful
[15:08] <Hodapp> and I now finally have a grinder so I can buy whole-bean...
[15:08] <Matt> a roaster opened up in the next town over
[15:08] <Matt> and the fresh stuff is amazing :)
[15:08] <Hodapp> nice
[15:08] <Hodapp> I am headed out to Seattle soon
[15:08] <Hodapp> they're rather known for the coffee...
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> my wife buys out coffee beans - she's intolerant to caffeine but loves good coffee.
[15:10] <Hodapp> oooh
[15:10] <Hodapp> I am sensitive to caffeine...
[15:10] * mru is intolerant to absense of caffeine
[15:11] <Matt> my wife can't stand the smell of coffee
[15:11] <Matt> gives her a migraine
[15:11] <mru> wtf
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> she found a plce that does swiss water method.
[15:11] <Hodapp> I described how too much caffeine makes me feel once to a friend - and how it might only be the difference between 1 and 1.5 cups that puts me there - and he said that my symptoms sounded very much like cocaine.
[15:12] <sam> when I realise I need more caffeine in order to work, I just choose to work less
[15:12] <Matt> that's partly why we have the keurig
[15:12] <Matt> can make coffee without making the place smell of coffee
[15:12] <sam> Hodapp: cocaine is really a lot like lots of coffee
[15:12] <mru> extreme amounts of caffeine will make anyone weird
[15:12] <Hodapp> extreme amounts of cocaine will kill anyone
[15:13] <sam> easier on the stomach, harder on the blood vessels
[15:13] <Hodapp> what's easier on the stomach?
[15:13] <mru> caffeine can be lethal too
[15:13] <Hodapp> mru: he said coffee, not caffeine
[15:13] <mru> fine, so drink 30 shots of espresso in a short time
[15:13] <mru> see how you feel after that
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> I'm told that a good espresso has less caffeine than a mug of drip/filter coffee...
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> something to do with the length of time the hot water is in-contact with the grounds...
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[15:14] <mru> perhaps
[15:14] <Hodapp> mru: the question isn't how you feel, it's the lethality.
[15:15] <Hodapp> mru: concentrated caffeine can kill you; coffee, really really not likely.
[15:15] <mru> people occasionally need medical care after drinking too much coffee
[15:15] <mru> it takes a lot, but it can happen
[15:16] <Amadiro> gordonDrogon, espresso has way more caffeine per volume, but a big mug of coffee definitely has more
[15:16] <booyaa> yeah that's a lot of coffees
[15:16] <Amadiro> (than a tiny cup of espresso, that is)
[15:16] <[SLB]> meh, compiled xbmc for 12h and i get this http://goo.gl/PtaVS
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> maybe that's it.
[15:16] <Hodapp> yeah, getting back to Pi talk might be good
[15:17] <buZz> hmmmmm 1.5 pie
[15:17] <mru> [SLB]: well, you need to use accelerated drivers...
[15:17] <mru> setting up those is not really related to xbmc as such
[15:17] * gordonDrogon inserts tab B into slot A ..
[15:17] <[SLB]> i followed the guide on raspbian and didn't mention anything, where should i find informations about how to do it?
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[15:18] <Hodapp> Is GLSL presently the only form of GPGPU one can do on the Pi?
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[15:20] <kuhno> hello world :)
[15:21] <Hodapp> oooh https://benosteen.wordpress.com/2012/05/13/glsl-sandbox-on-the-raspberry-pi/
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[15:23] <Hodapp> I do wonder though how much I'd be able to tap that power, lacking something like OpenCL or CUDA
[15:23] <Hodapp> but I do know that at gpgpu.org they have all sorts of GPGPU methods going back to before even GLSL
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[15:25] <Hodapp> geesh, kill coffee talk and now the channel is silent :P
[15:25] <Hodapp> maybe they're all getting coffee.
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[15:27] <Matt> lol
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> actually, I'm going to go & make some flapjacks for tonights LUG meeting in exeter...
[15:27] <Matt> well I'm not
[15:28] <Matt> bit early for me to make coffee yet
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[15:29] <gordonDrogon> although I've just fitted a Pi into the adafruit case and it's fitted fine! Looks neat too.
[15:29] <gordonDrogon> http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
[15:29] <Amadiro> I'm just using an old tiny cereal box, I happened to find one that fits perfectly (after removing the s-video port)
[15:29] <Hodapp> cereal box?
[15:30] <Amadiro> well, lunch-box or whatever.
[15:30] <gordonDrogon> and with the lid off, I can fit a Piface (not usefull though as can't get to the screw terminals, or the mini piio protoboard!
[15:30] <Hodapp> I should cut a case for mine. Kind of silly to keep storing it on the box it came in...
[15:30] <kuhno> my RPi keeps losing the sd card fs after some minutes running :(
[15:31] <kuhno> after some idle it just tells me that e.g. /bin/ls was not found
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[15:32] <reider59> I have a similar case to that where 2 sides hinge out to put the RPi in, then click lock closed. I''ll put my second RPi in that one, should be here by Monday. then keep the SKPang sandwich case just for the LCD modules and the breakout board, etc.....
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[15:34] <Hodapp> kuhno: whaaat, that's weird
[15:34] <Hodapp> kuhno: I had this happen once on a pfSense router where the system would just cease to acknowledge the CompactFlash it ran off of, somewhere from 5 minutes to 48 hours after I booted
[15:34] <Hodapp> dmesg say anything?
[15:35] <Kryczek> Hello everyone! I'm new to the field of embedded systems (the RPi introducing me to it) so I'm hoping one of you knows the correct name of the electromechanics components I'm looking for: something similar to a high speed linear actuator except I don't need the strength, just something that is basically a rod inside a coil?
[15:36] <kuhno> not tried yet, i think it is losing contact due to getting warm
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/adafruit.jpg
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> Kryczek, solenoid?
[15:37] <kuhno> Hodapp: now it dosnt even boot up
[15:37] <Hodapp> kuhno :(
[15:37] <Hodapp> kuhno: does anything else recognize the card?
[15:38] <kuhno> i try putting sd card into my second pi
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[15:38] <buZz> did you guys see, there is a lot of raspberry pi talk on the puredata mailinglist nowadays ;)
[15:38] <TheBrayn> which tools would you need to cut your own case out of acrylic glass?
[15:38] <Kryczek> omg
[15:38] * Kryczek hugs gordonDrogon
[15:39] <Kryczek> gordonDrogon: it's called a push-pull solenoid apparently :)
[15:39] <buZz> TheBrayn: chainsaw?
[15:39] <Kryczek> thank you very much
[15:39] <TheBrayn> buZz: is a wood chopper also ok?
[15:39] <TheBrayn> *chipper
[15:40] <buZz> TheBrayn: i wouldnt accept a solution without!
[15:40] <bircoe> you could do it with a small saw and a couple of files if you were really keen
[15:40] <TheBrayn> hm
[15:42] <kuhno> Hodapp: must be the pi, card is working normally :/
[15:43] <kuhno> so i think my pi will get a fixed (soldered) memory card
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[15:43] <kuhno> if it's because of contact problems
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[15:44] <[SLB]> how do i get accelerated drivers on raspbian to have xbmc able to launch succesfully?
[15:45] <booyaa> openelec
[15:45] <mongrelion> gordonDrogon: sw337
[15:45] <mikma> http://termite.apcdn.com/full/79048.jpg
[15:46] <[SLB]> i followed this guide http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC
[15:46] <[SLB]> so on raspbian it's supposed to be working
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[15:49] <kuhno> fixed the card reader with lots fo duct tape and a spring :)
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[15:50] <SpeedEvil> duck rape is awesome
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> err
[15:50] <kuhno> :D
[15:50] <SpeedEvil> voice recognition is not.
[15:51] <stain> Anyone in Manchester? Don't forget tomorrow is MadLab Raspberry Pi Jam: http://madlab.org.uk/content/manchester-raspberry-jam-3/
[15:51] <booyaa> lolwut?
[15:51] <mru> duck rape is fairly common, actually
[15:51] <mongrelion> epic fail lol
[15:51] <mongrelion> mru: in which country do you live, my friend?
[15:51] <kuhno> so, continue with uart communication tries :)
[15:51] <mru> mongrelion: does it matter?
[15:51] <mru> I'm talking about ducks
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> mikma, 'lol' to use a phrase I heard somewhere ...
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[15:52] <M3nti0n> any webdesign masterminds around? ;)
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> stain, Ah. Madlab. loved it when I visited a few months ago!
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> right - the the kitchen!
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> or even "To the Kitchen" (batman)
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[15:53] <kuhno> how do i send hex data to uart?
[15:53] <kuhno> echo $'\x0f' > /dev/ttyAMA0
[15:54] <kuhno> assuming this were 8bit, how to add stop bit?
[15:56] <scrts> it'll add a stop bit in hardware itself
[15:56] <scrts> the driver must do that
[15:56] <nid0> M3nti0n: whats your question?
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[15:58] <TheBrayn> nid0: he asked if there are any webdesign masterminds around :P
[15:59] <nid0> yep, presumably pursuant to actually asking a question
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[16:08] <M3nti0n> nid0, im making a website, and i want to know whats the best way to leave the header and sidebar visible while scrolling the content page.
[16:09] <M3nti0n> just fixed positions?
[16:10] <netman87> hmm u can make div-element have its own scroll bar
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[16:11] <netman87> http://www.w3schools.com/cssref/pr_pos_overflow.asp
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[16:12] <netman87> and btw ask question. dont ask can you ask your question or "is there guru's of X"
[16:13] <M3nti0n> Since it was way off-topic, i was just asking for someone that had knowledge of it, so i wouldn't type the question for nothing ;)
[16:13] <M3nti0n> but i fixed it up with CSS positioning
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[16:14] <M3nti0n> https://otaupdatecenter.pro/test/ <--
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[16:18] <bertrik> TheBrayn, a laser cutter so I've heard
[16:18] <TheBrayn> sounds expensive
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[16:19] <TheBrayn> I guess I'll just use wood
[16:19] <acausal> it's fun to watch them cut things
[16:19] <bertrik> TheBrayn, I've been to a "fablab" this week, it's basically a kind of workshop where you can use all kinds of expensive machines to make stuff you can't make at home
[16:20] <TheBrayn> I have no idea if there is something like this around here
[16:20] <bertrik> you have to publish the design if you make something there though, but you can reserve a machine for a fee too and keep the design to yourself
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[16:21] <bertrik> They told me a laser cutter is actually one of the easier to use machines and you can use it without needing extensive training
[16:21] <bertrik> it can cut acrylic and thin wood
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[16:23] <Hodapp> bertrik: Yes.
[16:23] <Hodapp> bertrik: our hackerspace has one and it's been amazingly helpful.
[16:24] <bertrik> I've never used it myself though. I did see some raspberry pi cases manufactured there on the fablab web page ( http://protospace.nl )
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[16:32] <buZz> wow!
[16:32] <buZz> could we use the HDMI/analog video output seperate from the onboard cellphonedisplay video output?
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[16:36] <Hodapp> buZz: er, what?
[16:36] <bircoe> buZz, might be a question to direct at the foundation itself... If I were a betting man I'd say no, the DSI prt woul dbe a mirror of the HDMI/Composite
[16:37] <buZz> yeah its my guess
[16:38] <buZz> i just figured i could use an AD725 chip to turn the DSI into another composite output
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[16:38] <bircoe> no harm in trying...
[16:38] <buZz> ofcourse
[16:39] <buZz> anyway, a dual composite outputting ARM device could be reaaaally usefull in VJ setups (which i do sometimes)
[16:39] <bircoe> whats VJ???
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[16:39] <booyaa> video jockey
[16:39] <bircoe> ahhhh
[16:41] <buZz> ;)
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[16:41] <buZz> it can be playing mindnumbing videos to music
[16:41] <bircoe> this baby is asleep... and i'm going to be shortly as well.
[16:41] <buZz> i nowadays usually work with interactive video displays with a kinect or a webcam or something else
[16:42] <buZz> as they give me time to hang at the bar and drink beer :P
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> and the bbq is lit :)
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[16:43] <bircoe> there's a cool one at a department store we shop at from time to time
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[16:43] <Joshun> hi
[16:43] <Hodapp> buZz: I've wanted to get into that a bit
[16:43] <bircoe> projectot ceiling mounted pointed at the ground...
[16:43] <Joshun> why is it that if you run a framebuffer application (e.g. dosbox), and then switch the tty, the screen goes blank and you have to reboot?
[16:43] <bircoe> video camera in same fashion
[16:44] <bircoe> displays an image with hundreds of the store logo floating around
[16:44] <bircoe> when someone walks through it the logos move to reveal the image behind...
[16:45] <bircoe> its pretty funky
[16:46] <bircoe> buZz, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muD-Qm2uttI
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[17:07] <Bensa> hey, how can I check the voltage on my PI?
[17:07] <Bensa> or, where can i check
[17:08] <bertrik> between TP1 and TP2, it's one the elinux.org wiki somewhere
[17:08] <[SLB]> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems
[17:08] <Bensa> thanks :)
[17:08] <[SLB]> :)
[17:09] <Bensa> i dont know if low voltage could be the problem, my device freeze when i download using sabnzbd
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[17:13] <Bensa> I guess 5.08V is good
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[17:15] <Bensa> hm, funny, ive got two PI's, one says 4,8 and the other says 5.08
[17:15] <Bensa> are 4.8 sufficient?
[17:17] <jaxdahl> 4.75 should be enough IIRC
[17:17] <[SLB]> are you using the same power supply and cable for both of them?
[17:17] <kuhno> 4.82 says mine
[17:17] <Bensa> [SLB]: ye, just used the same now for testing purps
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[17:18] <jaxdahl> usually it's the current that's suspect -- the supply not being able to push enough current
[17:18] <[SLB]> hm i should try both of mine too, not sure why this difference in voltage
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[17:20] <Amadiro> Does anybody know whether you can assign less than 32MiB to the video core, for applications where the video core is not used at all?
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[17:20] <Amadiro> the wiki seems to hint at that the different boot images are provided by broadcom directly, so if that's the case I'd guess "no"
[17:21] <booyaa> i did wonder about that 32mb being allocated to the video core. does it do other roles as well like managing the sd card?
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[17:22] <booyaa> you'd have thought if not, broadcom would just release a 256mb image
[17:23] <chithead> well it does need to display the framebuffer
[17:23] <mongrelion> can't compile xbmc either with raspbian/raspbianbmc guide
[17:24] <Hodapp> interesting though that what I just read with PyOpenGLES it can use the framebuffer in console for GL
[17:24] <Amadiro> chithead, well, I neither need the ttys nor the framebuffer, so
[17:25] <Bensa> [SLB]: I should measure without any hw right? inserting the SD-card makes the voltage drop to 4,7
[17:26] <[SLB]> oh i measured with sd and eth connected but yes right
[17:26] <Bensa> :p
[17:27] <Bensa> then i get the difference
[17:27] <Bensa> forgot to remove the SD card from the other pi
[17:27] <Bensa> so its the same then
[17:27] <Bensa> damnit, i was that was the problem
[17:27] <Bensa> :S
[17:28] <[SLB]> oh eheh
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[17:30] <Bensa> so, what could kill the device when downloading from internet and writing to ethernet?
[17:30] <Bensa> ethernet*
[17:31] <booyaa> i seem to recall someone had transmission running (bt client), i think we came to the conclusion it was prolly too many connections
[17:32] <booyaa> each conncetion, new thread moar mem
[17:33] <Bensa> ye, ive reduced the number of connections to 2 (usenet)
[17:33] <Bensa> so that should be out of the way
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[17:36] <booyaa> flying squid?
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[17:42] <Bensa> say what?
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[17:53] <booyaa> i was testing you
[17:53] <booyaa> you passed
[17:53] <booyaa> only just mind you
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[17:55] <Gadgetoid> say what one more time!
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[18:06] <mongrelion> what's a good format for the omxplayer?
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[18:07] <mongrelion> I tried to compile xbmc to no avail :/ the only think I've been able to successfully compile (IIRC) is ruby1.9.3 :/
[18:07] <mongrelion> besides mp4, ogg, avi and webm can me played on the pi?
[18:08] <Joe_KD2AKU> any eta on Android? and what size SD would it need?
[18:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC
[18:10] <[SLB]> i compiled xbmc, this is what i got :\ http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/328/screenshotat20120810151.png
[18:10] <[SLB]> yes from that guide
[18:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> k
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[18:13] <Gabtendo> Hey
[18:14] <mongrelion> [SLB]: that image won't load.
[18:14] <mongrelion> "Domain unregistered" :/ stupid imageshack
[18:14] <[SLB]> urm so it's not only hong kong that never loads imageshack >o<
[18:14] <[SLB]> moment
[18:15] <Gabtendo> Does anybody know off the top of their head how to switch the keyboard layout to dvorak in a minimal debian installation
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[18:15] <iBooyaa> will it be some form of dpkg configure?
[18:15] <mongrelion> [SLB]: yeah, I've seen that a lot here in Colombia (the imageshack unregistered domain issue)
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[18:16] <Gabtendo> iBooyaa: seems likely
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[18:16] <kennyvb> Gabtendo: something like dpkg-reconfigure locales and dpkg-configure console-data i think
[18:16] <[SLB]> Gabtendo, maybe try sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[18:16] <iBooyaa> dkpg-reconfigure keyboard
[18:16] <iBooyaa> that's it
[18:17] <iBooyaa> sorry guessed mine
[18:17] <Gabtendo> that's it?
[18:17] <Gabtendo> that's really it? lol
[18:17] <cave> apt-get update; apt-get install keyboard-configuration <---- !!! before dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[18:17] <Gabtendo> all right; thanks
[18:17] <Gabtendo> I hate using qwerty
[18:18] <Gabtendo> >.>
[18:18] <cave> i like qwertz and hate qwerty ;)
[18:18] <[SLB]> mongrelion, http://postimage.org/image/sqi7zas5t/
[18:18] * Gabtendo eyerolls
[18:18] <[SLB]> :[
[18:19] <Gabtendo> I'm still not sure how I feel about dvorak's placement of the "l" key
[18:19] <Gabtendo> but I prefer the alternating design of dvorak over colemak
[18:19] <Gabtendo> It allows for faster typing potential
[18:20] <mongrelion> [SLB]: at least you could successfully compile it :C
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[18:21] <cave> ever thought of using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Neo
[18:21] <cave> sry, its german optimized
[18:22] <Gabtendo> Yeah, I'm American
[18:22] <Gabtendo> dvorak is English-language optimized
[18:22] <cave> and english >.<
[18:23] <Gabtendo> Honestliy anything that was optimized at all is likely better than qwerty
[18:23] <Gabtendo> honestly*
[18:23] <Gabtendo> As qwerty was designed to make you type slower so your typewriter would jam less
[18:23] <Gabtendo> (and therefore need less repairs)
[18:23] <Gabtendo> Last time I checked, I didn't use a typewriter
[18:24] <markllama> as usual, that gets me wondering how many people have actually used a typewriter.
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[18:24] <markllama> which is off topic and a useless musing, but hey
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[18:25] <mongrelion> where is supposted the omxplayer to be used? from the terminal?
[18:25] <iBooyaa> I ditched keyboards ages ago
[18:25] <Gabtendo> I've never used a typewriter
[18:25] <Gabtendo> Not even once
[18:25] <iBooyaa> weather London
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[18:25] <iBooyaa> whoops
[18:25] <Gabtendo> All the type writers I see are "antiques" so people don't want you to touch them
[18:25] <iBooyaa> mongrelion: hey buddy how's your compilation hell
[18:26] <Gabtendo> and I have no interest in a modern typewriter manufactured for sentimental value
[18:26] <markllama> the ones I see are stage props ;-)
[18:26] <iBooyaa> coming along?
[18:26] <mongrelion> I use butterflies.
[18:26] <mongrelion> iBooyaa: not good.
[18:26] <mongrelion> Gabtendo: iBooyaa markllama http://xkcd.com/378/
[18:26] <mongrelion> related.
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[18:26] <cave> how is working with VIM with any NOT-QWERTZ layout?
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[18:26] <markllama> *grin*
[18:27] <Gabtendo> I just use nano; don't usually bother with emacs or vim
[18:27] <Gabtendo> but they each have their merits
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[18:28] <mongrelion> has anybody used omxplayer? can't get it to reproduce anything :/
[18:28] <mongrelion> I mean, can the output be the RCA port?
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[18:28] <iBooyaa> mongrelion: Lols on xkcd
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[18:29] <Gabtendo> wHAT KIND OF KEYBOARDS DO YOU GUYS USE?
[18:29] <Gabtendo> lol fail caps lock
[18:30] <mru> ones without capslock
[18:30] <Gabtendo> note to self: rewprogram caps lock to be a backspace key again
[18:30] <mongrelion> I bought a normal 106 keys keyboard.
[18:30] <mru> the key in that position should be a _control_ key
[18:30] <iBooyaa> Gabtendo: qwerty have too many devices that havr it
[18:30] <Gabtendo> I have a mechanical keyboard
[18:31] <nid0> < logitech illuminated keyboard
[18:31] <iBooyaa> mostly works fault thogh
[18:31] <Gabtendo> iBooyaa: I can still touch type both, though
[18:32] <Gabtendo> contrary to popular belief, one can just switch back and forth between keyboard layouts
[18:32] <Gabtendo> I'm happy to show anybody who doesn't believe
[18:34] <markllama> heh. Any proper sysadmin knows that. I used to switch keyboards all the time. it only takes one or two keystrokes to re-orient (yeah, that's different qwerty layouts, but still)
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[18:35] <mongrelion> iBooyaa: I'm going to try raspbmc later.
[18:36] <mikma> mongrelion: while at it, try xbian 0.5 (xbian.org)
[18:37] <mongrelion> u.u
[18:37] <Hodapp> I started learning Dvorak a few days before starting a class that, I became aware, started out with a QWERTY keyboarding section.
[18:37] <Hodapp> I learned to switch quite quickly.
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[18:38] <mongrelion> mikma: does it come with xbmc already? nice.
[18:38] <mongrelion> I think the thing I care the most about these distros is package management.
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[18:38] <mongrelion> I can't be bothered to use a system that doesn't manage dependencies in an easy way.
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[18:47] <mongrelion> mikma: I'm gonna check it. Do you know if it is a linux fts? or is it based in any existing distro?
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[18:51] <mongrelion> it's based on raspbian :P
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> I think I've done more soldering in the past 3 months than I have in the past 5 years...
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> really enjoying it again...
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[18:53] <gordonDrogon> what's the modern equivalent of trichloroethane? I've not had any for years, but want something to blast solder flux off the boards....
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[18:56] <InControl> Acetone will get rosin off but will also remove silk screen printing
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[18:58] <InControl> probably best to use isopropyl alcohol
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[19:00] <criten> gordonDrogon: You around?
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> hi
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> criten, yes
[19:01] <criten> gordonDrogon: So I got your serial library working last night, but with the same result as with python. the byteread was returning zero.
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> maybe it's sending zeros...
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> or there is a baud rate mismatch?
[19:02] <criten> gordonDrogon: I'm pretty sure it isn't In the arduino IDE serial monitor its sending "hello world\n"
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> oh, ok.
[19:02] <criten> gordonDrogon: and it's a standard 9600, that's what it's set to.
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> so you download prog, run it on arduino with the ide, it says hello world, but run it with python or C serial code and nothing...
[19:03] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[19:03] <criten> Yea, it's odd. I've had success talking to it with C#/c++ in windows in the past.
[19:03] <criten> So I think i'm doing it mostly correctly... haha
[19:04] <criten> I should at least be getting back garbled results if the baud was wrong... I'd assume
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[19:07] <criten> gordonDrogon: When i send data to the arduino I see the rx led flash... which means it's receiving the data.
[19:10] <mongrelion> \o/ rpi now playing spartacus 720p \o/
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> criten, yes, so data is flowing, but not the right data!
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[19:12] <criten> gordonDrogon: I'm going to have the arduino tell me what data it's getting.. maybe the write in C is working. There is something odd going on with the tx light on the arduino... so maybe it isn't sending the right data to the pi
[19:14] <criten> mongrelion: Awesome! I have yet to play with hd playback... was it easy to get going?
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> could it be stuck in reset or something?
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> the srduini ide toggles the DTR line to reset the arduino board..
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[19:15] <gordonDrogon> however I've never had a problem running minicom on Linux to talk to arduinos in the past.
[19:15] <criten> That is possible.. Normally when a serial connection is made it resets i think (to the usb-serial converter)
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[19:16] <criten> I'll play with minicom when i get home. I tried some other software that was acting weird. I have never palyed with minicom
[19:17] <mongrelion> criten: using raspbmc. I tried to compile xbmc using raspbian to no avail... so I decided to go for what is known to be working.
[19:17] <criten> I'm slacking off at work right now... I'm way to excited that I got the pi.
[19:17] <mongrelion> I'm using an RCA connection so not sure about how HD it would look like, but it works.
[19:17] <mongrelion> also, it is reading the files from a 16Gb NTFS thumb/pen drive
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[19:19] <criten> gordonDrogon: Will you be on after 5? I'll show you the code that i wrote to read off the data.
[19:19] <criten> 5 eastern.
[19:20] <criten> as you said it's only like 5 lines... but i want to verify it with you
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[19:23] <gordonDrogon> criten, I'm off to the exeter Linux users group meeting now - prob not be back until 10ish...
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> thats now +4 hours
[19:24] * gordonDrogon is in the UK.
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[19:31] <criten> gordonDrogon: Alright, Talk to you later.
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[19:32] <criten> mongrelion: How well does xbmc work?
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[19:33] <Gabtendo> ugh, my raspberrypi never wants to use my computer's internet connection when I hook them together with an ethernet cable
[19:33] <Gabtendo> it drives me insane :(
[19:35] <criten> Just get a switch : ]
[19:35] <mongrelion> criten: well, I'm on a 14" TV via RCA and it looks "good". It's just that the image is too wide for the TV, so I can't see some of the controls.
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[19:35] <criten> mongrelion: Ah... They probably optimized it for widescreen haha
[19:35] * mongrelion hands an ADSL router to Gabtendo
[19:35] <Gabtendo> I don't have time to get a switch today...
[19:35] <mongrelion> criten: yeah, #thirdworldproblems
[19:36] * mongrelion hands a cup of patience to Gabtendo
[19:36] <criten> mongrelion: hahaha. They probably have a flag in the settings file to change it
[19:36] <bertrik> mongrelion, can't you simply edit the overscan settings in the config file?
[19:36] <criten> ^that
[19:36] <criten> does the os show up fine?
[19:37] <criten> when you are outside of xbmc
[19:37] <Gabtendo> also, *headscratch* at my mouse not working when plugged into my USB hub
[19:37] <bertrik> raspbmc allows me to configure the overscan from inside xbmc, but the settings don't "stick"
[19:37] <Gabtendo> it works when plugged directly into the pi, but the lights just flash when connected to the USB hub
[19:37] <mongrelion> criten: I don't think there's an easy way to "get out" of xbmc on raspbmc
[19:37] <mongrelion> bertrik: oh, really?
[19:38] <mongrelion> I can ssh into the pi, though.
[19:38] <criten> mongrelion: try pressing ctrl-alt f3 or something
[19:38] <criten> any of the f-keys
[19:38] <markllama> raspbmc and OpenELEC (a fork) want to pretend to be turnkey set top boxes
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[19:38] <Gabtendo> any idea why my mouse is working when plugged directly into the pi, but not when plugged into my SUB hub?
[19:38] <Gabtendo> USB*
[19:39] <ziltro2> Is the hub broken?
[19:39] <bertrik> possibly USB power problems
[19:39] <mongrelion> criten: I disconnected the keyboard to connect the thumbdrive. There' no way I'm unplugging it since I'm listening right now to...
[19:39] * mongrelion np: American Woman - Lenny Kravitz
[19:39] <ziltro2> Oh yes a non-powered hub would add load to the RPi.
[19:40] <mongrelion> what I don't like is the approach of installing raspbmc on the stick: having to install something on one computer and then let the pi to do the rest of the work (downloading, etc.)
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[19:40] <mongrelion> I'd like to have an img that I can just copy to the SD and that's it.
[19:40] <Gabtendo> bertrik: it's a poewred hub
[19:40] <Gabtendo> the hub works when connected to my normal comp
[19:40] <Gabtendo> every port
[19:40] <Gabtendo> and it's listed as working on the elinux wiki
[19:40] <mongrelion> after setting the overscan, reboot?
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[19:40] <Gabtendo> also, not the mouse isn't working when plugged directly into the raspberry pi either
[19:40] <Gabtendo> O.O
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[19:41] <Gabtendo> a red light is just flashing on the mouse
[19:41] <Gabtendo> any ideas?
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[19:41] <mongrelion> Gabtendo: I think it might be voltage issue. Do you have a tester?
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[19:42] <mongrelion> booyaa: did I show you this pic? http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8426/7746909770_c38cef0576_k.jpg
[19:42] <Gabtendo> mongrelion: No, but I bought a nice adapter
[19:42] <MycoRunner> mongrelion: how readable is that?
[19:42] <Gabtendo> http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Wall-Charger-Outlet-Output/dp/B005CG2ATQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1344620432&sr=8-2&keywords=amazonbasics+power+adapter
[19:43] <criten> Back! Silly IT job....
[19:43] <Gabtendo> also, the mouse randomly started working
[19:43] <Gabtendo> I'v ejust been booted into x
[19:43] <Gabtendo> I was spamming letters onto my keyboard (which works)
[19:43] <criten> What's the cheapest power hub i can get at a local store? Like walmart/staples? and suggestions?
[19:44] <mongrelion> MycoRunner: barely, but still, readable.
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[19:45] <Jungle-Boogie> hs anyone had a lot of success with getting the RTL8188CUS working?
[19:46] <Jungle-Boogie> my troubles with it: http://pastiebin.com/?page=p&id=5025487c1bbd1
[19:48] <mongrelion> 12:35 <+bertrik> raspbmc allows me to configure the overscan from inside xbmc, but the settings don't "stick" <- that bug was fixed on the RC4
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[19:48] <bertrik> mongrelion, thanks
[19:48] <mongrelion> bertrik: so one can override the overscan issue on the fly?
[19:49] <mongrelion> I updated the /boot/config.txt file setting the overscan to false and it didn't work.
[19:49] <bertrik> I think so, IIRC it was system / settings / video output / calibration patterns
[19:49] <mongrelion> I mean, in raspbmc says "disable_overscan" and I set it to 0
[19:49] <mongrelion> let's see.
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[19:52] <bertrik> I think there are also settings called like "overscan_top/left/right/bottom" or something like that, that you can set to configure the borders
[19:53] <mongrelion> won't work... I don't expect too much from this tv, though.
[19:53] <mongrelion> it's ok.
[19:53] <mongrelion> any suggested add-on?
[19:59] <Hodapp> what uses /boot/config.txt?
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[20:02] <MycoRunner> so i was reading about the power on raspberrypi, basically the power from the micro USB goes straight through unaltered to the power output of the USB ports?
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[20:03] <ziltro2> Through fuses.
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[20:09] <criten> MycoRunner: Makes sense.
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[20:14] <hotwings> anyone ordered a hackberry?
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[20:15] <bpultimate> what's that?
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[20:16] <hotwings> https://www.miniand.com/products/Hackberry%20A10%20Developer%20Board
[20:16] <hotwings> another arm-based micro computer like the rpi.. only with better specs
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[20:18] <bpultimate> nah.. I don't particularly like Android...
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[20:20] <Hodapp> Ricksl: hey! you still having that keyboard issue?
[20:21] <Ricksl> mhmm
[20:21] <Hodapp> hrmph. well, I posted in the board about mine
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[20:22] <Ricksl> i was actually gonna submit it for confirmation later, and im sure its the model cause i have two of the same model and it has issues with both, i even tried different keyboard styles and told the pi it was different models
[20:22] <ladoga> that hackberry might be good for running xbmc
[20:23] <Hodapp> Ricksl: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=9792&p=144445#p144445
[20:23] <Hodapp> I say post something similar to what I did there
[20:23] <bpultimate> ladoga: RasPi is enough for running XBMC, it just needs to be tweaked
[20:24] <ladoga> smooth 1080p playback?
[20:25] <ladoga> i'll believe when i see that, but I'm bit doubtful
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[20:28] <chickey999> 1080p when just doing DTS/DD passthrough is meant to be ok it's the audio transcoding in software which kills it
[20:28] <chickey999> there is a posting in the forums about possibly new codecs being added for hardware decoding though so if they licence the right ones it could get around a lot of the issues
[20:29] <ladoga> chickey999: thanks
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[20:30] <ladoga> also that hackberry thing seems quite obscure
[20:31] <ladoga> raspi has had so much visibility and the community is already very strong
[20:32] <ladoga> so it's easy to start hacking/learning with
[20:32] <chickey999> Have to agree a lot of these other boards seem tempting with 1GB of ram etc but if you run into issues if only a handful of people have purchased your unlikely to get help
[20:32] <ladoga> but anyway i think next gen rpi like devices will be very interesting
[20:32] <ladoga> chickey999: exactly what i was thinking
[20:33] <chickey999> I think they've certainly demonstrated that there is a market
[20:33] <chickey999> if you make it at a reasonable price point people will buy it in droves
[20:34] <Hodapp> s/price point/price/
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[20:36] <Joe_KD2AKU> Have the new SanDisk Ultra-Speed SD card running how to test it's speed?
[20:37] <Jungle-Boogie> does anyone use a usb hub with the RTL8188CUS? Mine wont even power on when plugged into the pi
[20:37] <[SLB]> Joe_KD2AKU, http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#SD_card
[20:42] <Joe_KD2AKU> write 18.4 MB/s read 21.4 MB/s
[20:42] <Joe_KD2AKU> Woot Woot!
[20:43] <[SLB]> nice :)
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[20:43] <Joe_KD2AKU> Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9-cutdown+ #270 PREEMPT Tue Aug 7 22:42:04 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[20:43] <[SLB]> cutdown? what distro are you using
[20:44] <Joe_KD2AKU> SanDisk 16GB Extreme SD SDHC Secure Digital Card UHS-I Class 10 45MB/s 300X (SDSDX-016G-X46) - Retail Package $20usd
[20:45] <Joe_KD2AKU> [SLB]: raspbian
[20:46] <[SLB]> mine says 3.1.9+ #272 PREEMPT Tue Aug 7 22:51:44 BST, if you did the updates, are we supposed to have the kernel same version i guess?
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[20:48] <sdx23> Joe_KD2AKU: wonderful
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[20:49] <criten> What's a decent powered hub for cheap?
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[20:50] <mru> cheap things are rarely decent
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[20:50] <criten> Cheap is also relative.
[20:50] <markbook> yeah, but you're talking to people, when offered a choice of computer, would resort to long wait delivery for a $35US computer ;-)
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[20:51] <MycoRunner> criten: looking for the same thing
[20:52] <MycoRunner> I only need about 4 ports
[20:53] <criten> MycoRunner: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182174
[20:54] <criten> MycoRunner: That's powered up to 2amps
[20:54] <MycoRunner> that's hideous!
[20:54] <MycoRunner> lol
[20:55] <criten> It really is
[20:55] <criten> MycoRunner: I like this one better. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182056
[20:56] <MycoRunner> that's not bad
[20:56] <criten> 18$ including shipping
[20:57] <criten> I'm going to go check the server room... maybe i have one here (at work) I can take
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[20:59] <criten> Nothing.. But i realized that our phones use a 5v 2a power adapter.... we have piles of those. Would be good for powering the Pi
[21:01] <[SLB]> yes
[21:03] <Gabtendo> I'm gonna try rewriting my SD card image clean
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[21:04] <Gabtendo> lol elinux.org crashed
[21:04] <Ricksl> Hodapp, could you link me that thread again, sorry i switched computers
[21:05] <mikma> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1749
[21:06] <Hodapp> Ricksl: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=9792&p=144445#p144445
[21:09] <Ricksl> thats the same keyboard that i use Hodapp, i wonder if anyone else has the saem keyboard so we can confirm this as an incompatible one.
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[21:10] <Hodapp> Ricksl: you have the Dell one?
[21:11] <Ricksl> 2 of them actually
[21:11] <Ricksl> the one with the usb ports in the corner and the little hotkey buttons at the top
[21:11] <Hodapp> hmm, reply to the thread perhaps
[21:11] <Hodapp> so other people see this
[21:13] <Ricksl> can do
[21:13] <Ricksl> what bum luck the only spare keyboards i have and they don't seem to work
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[21:14] <Gabtendo> omfg
[21:14] <Gabtendo> it's my *powered* USB hub
[21:14] <Gabtendo> it was listed as one of the ones that work fine in the wiki
[21:14] <Gabtendo> but when I use it it sucks the power I need for networking from my pi
[21:14] <Gabtendo> son of a bithc.
[21:14] <Gabtendo> bitch*
[21:14] <[SLB]> lol
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[21:16] <Gabtendo> btw
[21:16] <Gabtendo> do you guys boot your pi from external hard drives, or an sd card?
[21:16] <criten> sd card : D
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[21:18] <Matt> the boot loader has to be on SD
[21:18] <Ricksl> there is a bootloader floating around that lets you boot from a flash key i believe... but it has to be booted from sd
[21:18] <Gabtendo> Are the menus in LXDE very responsive for you guys?
[21:19] <mikma> http://imgur.com/gallery/9ftuy
[21:19] <Gabtendo> for a minimal desktop, I feel like the interface is *a lot* less responsive than I expected
[21:20] <Gabtendo> Is this true for anybody else...?
[21:20] <criten> Gabtendo: They seem to be pretty responsive for me
[21:20] <criten> Gabtendo: Granted I had pretty low ecpectations...
[21:20] <criten> expectations
[21:21] <bpultimate> Gabtendo: yes, I am disappointed as well.. but what would you expect for ?25??
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[21:21] <Gabtendo> bpultimate: I wasn't expecting much at all, I just thought a well programmed minimalistic GUI implementation would be able to suck more out of it than that
[21:21] <clever> having some odd issues with a usb keyboard on my new pi, key events are getting dropped like crazy, took a minute just to type /etc/init.d/ssh start
[21:22] <clever> anybody know what could cause that?
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[21:23] <Hodapp> clever: no, but I've seen it too: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=9792&p=144445#p144445
[21:23] <Hodapp> so has Ricksl
[21:23] <Gabtendo> clever: power hungry keyboard?
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[21:23] <Hodapp> Gabtendo: Mine was run through a powered USB hub.
[21:23] <Ricksl> na, i put it through a powered hub
[21:24] <Gabtendo> My powered hub sucked too much power from my raspi
[21:24] <Gabtendo> so don't count on it.
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[21:24] <Hodapp> clever: post in that thread if you get a chance
[21:25] <clever> Gabtendo: just a sun keyboard with built-in hub, no devices on it
[21:26] <Ricksl> gab the point of a powered hub is to have it powered externally
[21:26] <clever> it also began to do weird stuff after i turned html audio on
[21:27] <clever> the tv rebooted itself while i had my back turned
[21:27] <Gabtendo> clever: oh, that's OK then
[21:27] <clever> and i couldnt change inputs on the tv, it was unresponsive
[21:27] <clever> until i unpluged the html
[21:27] <Gabtendo> the sun doesn't use that much power
[21:27] <clever> hdmi*
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[21:28] <clever> was powering it from a cellphone charger
[21:28] <clever> let me find my volt meter *looks*
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[21:31] <Gabtendo> bah wtf I'm still having power problems
[21:31] <Gabtendo> does anybody know of a *verified* powered USB hub tha tworks with the most strenuous of devices (apparently, a mouse and keyboard)
[21:31] <criten> Gabtendo: Does it work without the hub
[21:32] <Fleck> raspi cant play video from smb share... 4GB file constantly freezes, any ideas how to fix?
[21:32] <criten> Gabtendo: Like with a phone charger
[21:32] <Gabtendo> yes
[21:32] <Gabtendo> it works fine
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[21:33] <Gabtendo> but my keyboard requires two USB ports, so I *need* a usb hub
[21:33] <criten> Are you trying to power the rpi from the hub?
[21:33] <Gabtendo> no
[21:33] <Gabtendo> look
[21:33] <Gabtendo> my pi works fine without the devices
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[21:33] <Gabtendo> I just need a hub that can handle the devices
[21:34] <hotwings> regarding cheap powered hubs... i bought the following for $12. i use it to power the rpi and any devices without problems. it provides a full 500mA on all ports: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817111976
[21:35] <clever> *looks for pinout*
[21:35] <Gabtendo> ejpfoawjfpoiejfpajoiwefw
[21:35] <Gabtendo> so frustrated
[21:35] <Hodapp> it's IRC, use /me rather than asterisks :P
[21:35] <Gabtendo> the verified peripheals on the wiki *REALLY* needs to be updated to remove the ones that say verified that really don't work
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[21:37] <hotwings> i think a big fat disclaimer should be put on there saying different hardware has different needs and people should check what their needs are, then match against a hub that can suit those needs
[21:37] <Ricksl> has anyone tried the riscos alpha image
[21:37] <dwatkins> I'm still having network dropouts, which is vexing.
[21:38] <clever> Gabtendo: do you know where i can find the pinout of the gpio header?
[21:38] <dwatkins> It shows 5 Volts across TP1 and TP2, though.
[21:38] <clever> ah, http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[21:40] <Hodapp> Ricksl: no, is it online?
[21:41] <hotwings> [12:29:53] <Fleck> raspi cant play video from smb share... 4GB file constantly freezes, any ideas how to fix? <-- i didnt have that problem with raspbmc when i tried it. xbmc itself was too unstable and the gui was painfully slow/borderline useless though
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[21:42] <dwatkins> hotwings: I find DarkElec's xbmc installation to be useable, but the menus are a little sluggish.
[21:42] <Fleck> raspi cant play video from smb share... 4GB file constantly freezes, any ideas how to fix?
[21:43] <clever> Hodapp: getting 4.8v on the 5v gpio header, seems like the keyboard isnt overloading it
[21:44] * Hodapp spins clever around to Gabtendo
[21:44] <hotwings> dwatkins - slow menus will kill xbmc on rpi
[21:45] <hotwings> Fleck - you arent providing any useful information. people dont know what distros youre using, what software, etc... like saying 'my car wont start, how do i fix it'
[21:46] <Fleck> raspbmc
[21:46] <dwatkins> Fleck: do other video files play okay?
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[21:46] <Fleck> trying 1.6GB file now...
[21:46] <Fleck> lets see
[21:47] <dwatkins> hotwings: I agree, but considering the specs of the RPi, I'm not expecting it to be all whizzbang with the menus ;)
[21:47] <Fleck> dwatkins 1.6GB file seems to be working good
[21:48] <clever> state: HPD high|HDMI mode|HDCP off|composite off (0x12001a), 640x480 @ 60Hz, progressive
[21:48] <hotwings> dwatkins - it can be but its going to take a lot of work if it ever happens
[21:48] <clever> hmmm, doesnt seem to be listing any other resolutions on the tools
[21:48] * clever checks edid
[21:48] <dwatkins> hotwings: yeah, I guess various things need optimising.
[21:49] <hotwings> the size of the file isnt important.. the codec and bitrate are though
[21:49] <Ricksl> Hodapp, sorry was running an errand, yeah there is an alpha image floating around want a link?
[21:49] <clever> Gabtendo: tvservice -m CEA claims it can only do 640x480, but edid shows much more
[21:49] <Hodapp> hmm... actually, I'll hold off for now... my new SD cards are in UPS limbo at the moment
[21:50] <hotwings> are you playing avi, mkv, flv, mp4, bla bla? and then whats in the container... mpeg2 stream, mpeg4, vc1, ??
[21:50] <Fleck> dwatkins 720p from smb share doesnt work ok!
[21:51] <hotwings> if youre trying to play something that isnt accelerated, you can count on the rpi choking..
[21:51] <Fleck> mkv
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[21:51] <hotwings> if it is accerelated, then you need to make sure its being used, check priority settings, bla bla
[21:52] <hotwings> mkv is only a container. what type of video stream is inside the mkv?
[21:52] <clever> does shutdown -r allow hdmi config to be reloaded?
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[21:53] <clever> hmm, cutting power didnt help
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[21:55] <Fleck> dwatkins http://wstaw.org/m/2012/08/10/plasma-desktopA13094.png
[21:56] <clever> ah, hdmi_safe!
[21:58] <Gabtendo> I'm not sure if I'm even goin gto use LXDE
[21:58] <Gabtendo> it's just not that responsive
[21:58] <virunga> Gabtendo: what are you gonna use instead?
[21:58] <Gabtendo> nothing?
[21:59] <clever> Gabtendo: solved my graphic problems, hdmi_safe forces low res
[21:59] <Gabtendo> you don't need a GUI
[21:59] <Gabtendo> clever: hdmi_safe?
[21:59] <clever> Gabtendo: config.txt
[21:59] <Gabtendo> um?
[22:00] <clever> i was messing with it because i had no picture initialy, but the cable wasnt in all the way
[22:00] <clever> seems it overrides the group/mode set later on, so i cant get hi res
[22:00] <clever> that part is good now
[22:00] <clever> still no audio though
[22:00] <Gabtendo> I hope you realize how unspecific "config.txt" is on an entire Linux distribution
[22:01] <virunga> is possible play films without using desktop environment? My curiosity
[22:01] <clever> Gabtendo: the pi config.txt, thats loaded by the GPU
[22:01] <criten> virunga: don't think so
[22:01] <Gabtendo> which is stored where?
[22:01] <clever> Gabtendo: /boot is normaly where it shows up
[22:01] <clever> Gabtendo: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[22:02] <clever> and my tv just shut itself off again :S
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[22:02] <clever> yep, now the tv is unresponsive
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[22:04] <hotwings> [12:58:34] <virunga> is possible play films without using desktop environment? My curiosity <-- yup, you just need an xserver or framebuffer.. video/htpc/etc does not require a desktop
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[22:05] <buZz> you can run any X application as 'desktop environment' that you want
[22:05] <clever> well this is kinda odd, i cant do anything with the tv after the pi has been running for ~5mins
[22:05] <clever> refuses to switch inputs or change channels, menu wont even open
[22:06] <virunga> hotwings: thanks, i'll inform myself about it then
[22:06] <virunga> :)
[22:07] <bpultimate> is it Samsung?
[22:08] <clever> bpultimate: sony
[22:08] <hotwings> if a desktop was required for playing video, none of my htpc's would be running linux :)
[22:08] <saivert> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1283274/raspberrypi_kernelbug.jpg
[22:09] <bertrik> clever, I think I've seen my tv do that too, when there is no input signal
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[22:09] <clever> bertrik: after a delay, the tv shuts off (i can hear the relay) then turns back on, with a black picture
[22:09] <clever> and nothing works, including the buttons on the top (except power)
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[22:10] <clever> it instantly recovers if i remove power from the pi
[22:11] <saivert> omxplay even plays vides on top of the linux virtual console, you can still interact with the console even when the video plays if you start omxplay as a background job
[22:11] <dennistlg> owncloud gives me a lot of trouble
[22:11] <saivert> but this surely must be a bug in the software. it has to lock the screen and get exclusive access to it
[22:11] <dennistlg> have installed to sdcard /var/www
[22:11] <hotwings> clever your tv has a gremlin in it dude
[22:11] <clever> hotwings: probly, lol
[22:11] <saivert> but I'm out of ideas as to why this pi doesn't boot. NULL pointer dereference lol
[22:12] <dennistlg> data dir is on external hdd /media/160g/owncloud when i use webdav to copy files to it i dont see them later in the web interface.
[22:12] <saivert> probably the SD card has to be reformatted as the pi has lost power before flushing buffers several times I guess.
[22:12] <saivert> the pi is connected to a power source that is less than stable
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[22:13] <dennistlg> also i have the problem i cant transfer more than 1gb because the webdav mout has only one gb free ( thats the free space from sd) on the external hdd i have 160g free
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[22:22] <clever> hotwings: keyboard messing up again, 4.85v on 5v rail
[22:23] <clever> and it just rebooted the tv
[22:23] <clever> though the tv still works this time, weird
[22:24] <clever> tried hdmi audio and now the remote doesnt work, but the picture is still fine
[22:25] <clever> and it rebooted before i could even stand up
[22:25] <clever> must be hdmi audio
[22:25] <bpultimate> at least it has watchdog...
[22:25] <clever> bpultimate: its in worse condition after the reboot
[22:25] <clever> but maybe it doesnt like audio in monitor mode
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[22:26] <bpultimate> then it's a crap TV ;)
[22:27] <clever> hdmi_group=1 hdmi_mode=7 it just beeped, 3 times!
[22:27] <clever> it only accepts audio in hdmi_group=1!
[22:27] <clever> hdmi_group=2 + audio == tv locking up and rebooting
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[22:28] <bpultimate> have you got another TV to try it on?
[22:28] <clever> nothing else with hdmi in
[22:28] <clever> and aplay still doesnt work
[22:29] <clever> and it just rebooted again, i guess it doesnt like that either
[22:29] <[SLB]> i had to uncomment hdmi_drive=2 to have audio working
[22:29] <clever> something is very wrong, strace is showing it hung closing fd 4
[22:30] <clever> [SLB]: already done
[22:30] <[SLB]> oh :\
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[22:31] <clever> ok, found the point of lockup, pastebining
[22:31] <clever> http://pastebin.com/XETBe9fr
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[22:33] <clever> hmmm, once the tv locks up, it spreads like a virus, and the audio drivers also lockup
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[22:34] <dwatkins> I think my Pi just caused my TV to power on, as the TV had timed-out due to inactivity (it does that)
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[22:34] <clever> dwatkins: yeah, thats cec
[22:34] <dwatkins> i c
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[22:35] <dwatkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Electronics_Control#CEC tells all
[22:35] <clever> yep
[22:35] <dwatkins> My remote control is a phone :)
[22:35] <Fleck> dwatkins same file from USB flash works... from SMB - doesnt!
[22:36] <dwatkins> Fleck: strance, how is the filesystem shared, with Samba?
[22:36] <dwatkins> also, 'strange'
[22:36] <Fleck> linux
[22:36] <Fleck> samba share
[22:36] <Fleck> on this - my pc
[22:36] <dwatkins> ok, and what kind of filesystem is it that's shared via samba? ext4? fat32?
[22:36] <Fleck> sec
[22:37] <Fleck> ext4
[22:37] <Fleck> flash is ext4 too btw
[22:37] <dwatkins> tried nfs?
[22:39] <Fleck> nope
[22:39] <dwatkins> it would rule out samba as the cause
[22:40] <Fleck> ok, i can try nfs later, if its not samba?
[22:41] <dwatkins> no idea. If you were using nfs, I'd say nfs2 might be to blame as that has file size limits, iirc
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[22:42] <Berry_HK> gordonDrogon: Thanks for the help but i switched to a D2800MT for the C64 platform
[22:42] <mjr> it has, you want to use at least nfs3
[22:42] <Berry_HK> gordonDrogon: now i need to find another mean for the two Pi's that i own
[22:42] <Berry_HK> ;-)
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[22:48] <Gadgetoid> Whew, I've totally lost touch with all things Pi now, yikes!
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[22:57] <dennistlg> Berry_HK where are you from?
[22:58] <dennistlg> when you are from germany and sell one pi, than i buy one ;-)
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[23:01] <Berry_HK> the netherlands
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[23:02] <Berry_HK> dennistlg: what is you offer?
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[23:03] <dennistlg> 33?+ shipping
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[23:03] <Lars-> got my pi today o/
[23:03] <dennistlg> dont know the price from netherlands to germany
[23:03] <markllama> yay!
[23:04] <Lars-> but one problem, only red light, for the power now, nothing happends :s
[23:04] <markllama> have you inserted an initialized SD card?
[23:04] <Gadgetoid> get a better power supply Lars, or update the SD firmware
[23:04] <Lars-> the power is htc phone charger, should be ok
[23:05] <Lars-> but think its the sd card
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[23:05] <Lars-> what os is recomended?
[23:05] <Gadgetoid> Phone chargers aren't really power supplies, as a sanity check what's the amp rating on it?
[23:05] <Fleck> dwatkins 11GB mkv works great from USB :/ not from smb...
[23:05] <Gadgetoid> Ah, no OS will surely fail :D
[23:05] <markllama> the main site has links to raspbian which has very good modern SD support.
[23:05] <Lars-> I had raspbmc on ut tho
[23:05] <dennistlg> Gategoid htc is most 1A
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[23:06] <dennistlg> gadgetoid
[23:06] <Gadgetoid> Wow, Raspbian is now recommended! two weeks is a long time in Pi land
[23:06] <Berry_HK> dennistlg: i will keep em in the drawer
[23:06] <markllama> now is when I say "you know, this is when serial ports are nice", except that red-light only...
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[23:06] <markllama> Gadgetoid: it was recommended on the first day it was officially released ;-)
[23:06] <Lars-> it did start, but needed to change keyboard, it did not take the one i have
[23:07] <dennistlg> ok Berry ;-)
[23:07] <Lars-> and when I started it again, it gives only red light
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[23:07] <Gadgetoid> markllama: Raspbian was officially released?
[23:07] <markllama> well. kinda
[23:07] <Berry_HK> i use a 1A USB battery
[23:07] <Gadgetoid> Well, I'll be damned!
[23:07] <Berry_HK> works perfect as i do not have a good PSU yet
[23:07] <markllama> http://www.raspbian.org/
[23:07] <Gadgetoid> Lars-: remove keyboard and try again for luls
[23:07] <markllama> Big News! Official Raspbian Image Released
[23:07] <Lars-> did so :s
[23:08] <Lars-> gonna try again
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[23:09] <Gadgetoid> Sheesh, I go away for two weeks and the Pi has left me behind
[23:09] <markllama> Gadgetoid: remember where it started.
[23:09] <kenyabob> Compiling is not my strong suit, so this might be a dumb question ??? if I get ruby for arm, do I also need to get gems that are compiled for arm?
[23:09] <Gadgetoid> markllama: It's been fast-paced for sure
[23:09] <markllama> kenyabob: only if they're not "ruby native"
[23:10] <Gadgetoid> Looks like I need to switch to Raspbian ultimately
[23:10] <kenyabob> Oh right, because they are written in ruby, which ruby arm can read
[23:10] <markllama> I think most gems are noarch.
[23:10] <Lars-> Gadgetoid: only red light. can it be the sd-card?
[23:10] <markllama> Gadgetoid: I tried it, local building XBMC and it's very snappy when compared to OpenELEC or RaspBMC
[23:11] <markllama> Lars: could be partial boot the first time left it unbootable the second?
[23:11] <Gadgetoid> Lars-: Indeed. If, for example, the SD card isn't well supported by whatever firmware you've got on it, it will hang with a red light
[23:11] <Berry_HK> markllama: can you build an image out of that?
[23:11] * markllama is fishing, thinking it's simple to re-init the SD card
[23:11] <Gadgetoid> Lars-: But if you're using the latest Raspbian image, that shouldn't be the case afaik
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[23:11] <virunga> kenyabob: some of them are written in C but you'll compile them after downloaded
[23:11] <markllama> Berry_HK: you know I could I guess.
[23:11] <virunga> so..
[23:11] <dennistlg> first i use samsung charger 750mA with wifi it was not enought than i used a charger for something with 1,25A with usb powered hdd it was not enough now i use a step down converter with op amp 10v-35v input and a laptop charger with 19v 4,5A this setup give me 15A on 5v when i need it ;-)
[23:11] <Lars-> Gadgetoid: using raspbmc
[23:11] <Berry_HK> i am going for noarch too
[23:12] <Berry_HK> seems the best
[23:12] <Berry_HK> markllama: also willing to do so?
[23:12] <Lars-> dl Raspbian ?wheezy? and trying that one
[23:12] <markllama> I should probably start over and do the build on a 2GB SD card so it will fit nicely
[23:12] <Kanerix> I cut and spliced a 5v 2 amp power supply to a USB port
[23:12] <markllama> Berry_HK: I haven't done that step before, but I can look at how
[23:12] <Berry_HK> that would be nice
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[23:12] <Lars-> Gadgetoid: the pi aint broken, when it gives me a red light? :p
[23:12] <Gadgetoid> Lars-: that should get you started nicely, the previous recommended Pi image would fail with some SD cards and need the firmware manually replaced
[23:13] <Berry_HK> or make a monkey-see-monkey-do manuel?
[23:13] <Gadgetoid> Lars-: Unlikely that it's broken
[23:13] <Berry_HK> or make a monkey-see-monkey-do manual?
[23:13] <Lars-> oh nice
[23:13] <markllama> Hrrm 10% of a 32GB SD card
[23:13] <Lars-> sd-card is a sandisk extreme, 45mb/s, should be ok
[23:13] <markllama> looks like it would have to be a 4GB min image
[23:14] <markllama> Berry_HK: I followed one of those
[23:14] <Lars-> Gadgetoid: sd-card should be formated with FAT32, right?
[23:14] <markllama> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC
[23:15] <Gadgetoid> Lars-: dd'ing the image to the SD will erase any prior formatting with the FAT/EXT combo in the image
[23:15] <Lars-> ah ok
[23:15] <Lars-> ty for your help
[23:15] <Lars-> :)
[23:15] <dennistlg> do we have a owncloud specialist here?
[23:16] <Berry_HK> markllama: and for base os NOARCH?
[23:16] <mongrelion> raspbmc is quite faster than raw raspbian
[23:16] <markllama> Berry_HK: I'm confused.
[23:16] <markllama> mongrelion: recently?
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[23:17] <mongrelion> markllama: I have just tried it today and can perceive the difference.
[23:17] <markllama> do you know if RaspBMC pulled the Raspbian HW kernel?
[23:18] <markllama> because that seemed to be the diff to me.
[23:18] <markllama> and i haven't looked at RaspBMC since the day after Raspbian image was released
[23:18] <mongrelion> I don't really know, mate.
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[23:23] <markllama> I'll pull a spare card and try it tonight
[23:23] <Berry_HK> markllama: currently installing RaspBMC
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[23:25] <Fleck> dwatkins tinkering smb.conf seems to improve playback of 11GB mkv file :D
[23:25] <mongrelion> there is also xbian
[23:25] <Fleck> few minutes w/o freeze
[23:25] <mongrelion> but haven't yet tried it
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[23:27] <dwatkins> Fleck: groovy
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[23:29] * Berry_HK is "Setting up Raspbmc for the first time"
[23:29] <Berry_HK> installer works very smooth uptill now
[23:30] <mongrelion> it's pretty straight forward, isn't it?
[23:30] <mongrelion> -ish
[23:31] <Berry_HK> fuck
[23:31] <Berry_HK> unplugged the power accidently
[23:32] <dennistlg> i know this problem berry youre not alone^^
[23:33] <Berry_HK> actually my power is kinda iffy
[23:33] <Gadgetoid> Lars-: Much luck?
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[23:34] <Berry_HK> from powerplug -> mini-usb -> 5000mah battery -> USB -> jack -> microusb
[23:34] <Berry_HK> when i dont touch it it works
[23:34] * markllama taps Berry_HK before someone "official" does and points to the topic.
[23:34] <Berry_HK> or bump the table
[23:35] <Berry_HK> damn did it again, sorry for that, force of habit
[23:35] <Berry_HK> i need to be better
[23:35] <markllama> *grin* yeah, me too sometimes
[23:35] * markllama has learned to just muttley
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[23:39] <savid> Is there any place to buy rasberrypi in the US that won't take 3 months to ship?
[23:41] <mongrelion> perhaps on ebay/amazon but you won't get it for the "normal" price.
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[23:43] <kenyabob> savid: I bought from allied, and now am sitting nicely on my hands
[23:43] <markllama> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj3DBcpfMNQ
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[23:45] <savid> kenyabob, how long did it take to ship?
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[23:46] <kenyabob> savid: ordered it yesterday, so
[23:46] <savid> ah, I see
[23:46] <kenyabob> savid: and ya, it was 12 weeks
[23:46] <savid> wish they had some more resellers
[23:46] <kenyabob> savid: the UK retailers seem have stock coming mid september
[23:47] <kenyabob> savid: so I feel like it would be close
[23:47] <Berry_HK> how to set a SMB user name/pass combo in XBMC?
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[23:47] <Berry_HK> ah i see
[23:47] <Berry_HK> custom connections
[23:48] <mongrelion> kenyabob: D: really you got it that fast?
[23:48] <Berry_HK> but on my xbox i could set a default credential set
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[23:48] <Berry_HK> i got it in 1 weekend
[23:48] <Berry_HK> friday "ordered" monday in the hands
[23:48] <kenyabob> mongrelion: 12 weeks is the estimated time, Ill get in Nov
[23:48] <Berry_HK> thanks to a co-worker
[23:50] <mongrelion> kenyabob: no but you said it was sitting in your legs... I thought you referred to your rpi :/
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[23:50] <mongrelion> 16:41 <+kenyabob> savid: I bought from allied, and now am sitting nicely on my hands
[23:50] <kenyabob> sitting on my hands (thumbs) waiting
[23:50] <kenyabob> mongrelion: im not a clever man
[23:51] <mongrelion> ok.
[23:51] <kenyabob> mongrelion: http://i.imgur.com/8rtrB.jpg
[23:51] <mongrelion> lolz`
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> eveing.
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[23:56] <dennistlg> i think i should delete ownloud
[23:57] <dennistlg> it is nothing for me it runs like ... on pi and the configuration is.... also it had a lot of errors when using with external hdd
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> what are you trying to make run?
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