#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-08-11

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[0:03] <Gadgetoid> Sci-fi has ruined reality for me, mars just looks...boring
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[0:06] <dennistlg> gordon have istalled to /var/www and data is /media/160g/owncloud/ (external usb drive) all is runing fine at this point
[0:07] <dennistlg> but when i use webdav i have only one gb free ( tahts free space on sdcard)
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> not sure what you're doing - just come in though - sorry..
[0:08] <dennistlg> ;-)
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[0:09] <Gabtendo> LXDE feels so sluggish that it's just hard to imagine that the Raspberry Pi can handle any video
[0:09] <Gabtendo> much less 1080p
[0:10] <Amadiro> Gabtendo, the video is hardware-accelerated, not decoded by the GPU.
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> the video is handeled by the GPU.
[0:10] <Amadiro> s/GPU/CPU/
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[0:10] <Gabtendo> oh, it has hardware accelerated decoding?
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> yea, just think of it as 2 separate systems with the same screen...
[0:11] <Gabtendo> that would explain a lot.
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[0:12] <Amadiro> Gabtendo, yes. It also has OpenGL ES 2.0 and OpenSVG 1.1.
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> Gabtendo, the GPU part is more or less designed as a set-top-box type of chip to decode video... the ARM part would (in that application) just be feeding it data to decode.
[0:12] <Gabtendo> it's a shame the desktop environment can't be GPU accelerated
[0:14] <Amadiro> Gabtendo, it can.
[0:14] <Amadiro> Gabtendo, install/activate a compositing windowmanager
[0:15] <mongrelion> you that accelerate things, Amadiro?
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[0:15] <Amadiro> mongrelion, I haven't tested it, I reckon if you give the GPU a bit of the memory it'll at least make switching between desktops and moving windows more fluid
[0:15] <mongrelion> have you already tested some compositing window manager? maybe *box + xcompmgr?
[0:16] <chithead> desktop works fine even when not gpu accelerated. but you need hardfloat to make font rasterization efficient. and there is some problem with raspbian specifically http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=9228
[0:16] <mongrelion> Amadiro: does that accelerate things? * sorry, I was thinking one thing and wrote another.
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[0:16] <Lars-> Gadgetoid: got it up and running with wheezy
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[0:19] <Gadgetoid> Lars-: happy days
[0:21] <Gabtendo> LXDE is just so slow on Raspbian
[0:22] <Gabtendo> Will booting from an external hard drive speed things up noticeably?
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> I use xfce4 under raspbian..
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> and it's OK within the memory limits - ie. don't run 2 apps that need memory ...
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> I was running chrome web browser too...
[0:23] <Gabtendo> LXDE feels slow when it's running nothing
[0:23] <Gabtendo> just things like right clicking and loading the menus feel sluggish
[0:23] <Lars-> indeed Gadgetoid
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[0:24] <chithead> the sluggishness will probably not be fixed by using a hard disk
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[0:25] <gordonDrogon> not unless it's swapping - which it shouldn't be with nothing else going on.
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[0:25] <mru> the sluggishness can be fixed by getting a pandaboard instead :)
[0:26] <chithead> or using a distro which doesn't suffer from the problem
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[0:26] <Tachyon`> using a hard disk will speed things up considerably
[0:26] <mru> swapping?
[0:26] <Tachyon`> there are issues with small files and flash that the pi due to its design is very susceptible to
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[0:26] <Tachyon`> well, shouldn't swap to flash at all
[0:26] <Tachyon`> but I've had this issue before running linux from SD
[0:26] <Tachyon`> it does slow it down, considerably, particualrly if you're using ext3
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[0:32] <gordonDrogon> I've a 100 or so boxes running off flash on CF cards - seems ok several years down the line...
[0:32] <gordonDrogon> but maybe CF is different from SD...
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[0:35] <bertrik> there is an issue with the sd driver on the rpi behaving really badly as far as I know, making the entire kernel busy-waiting for relatively long periods
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[0:37] <mru> if you're using flash based storage you should always align the filesystem blocks to flash erase blocks
[0:38] <gordonDrogon> bertrik, can't say I've noticed it, but how long is long?
[0:39] <stain> which distro for xbmc?
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[0:39] <mongrelion> stain: raspbmc is working fine so far.
[0:40] <bertrik> gordonDrogon, I can't find anymore where I read that :( I'll keep looking
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[0:42] <gordonDrogon> bertrik, no worys, just curious - have to say though, I'm not really complaining for a ?26 Linux PC :)
[0:43] <mongrelion> how dare you.
[0:44] <bertrik> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/pull/72#issuecomment-7437129 mentions a possible delay of up to 200 ms
[0:44] <bertrik> (read the entire thread, not just the post I referred to)
[0:45] <gordonDrogon> intersting stuff.
[0:47] <bertrik> a quick test with sdhci-bcm2708.missing_status=0 sdhci-bcm2708.sync_after_dma=0 worked for me, I mean stuff still worked even with the quirk work-arounds disabled
[0:48] <stain> mongrelion: thanks, I'll give it a try
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[0:53] <AR_> hello
[0:53] <IT_Sean> 'ello
[0:53] <AR_> Are there currently only two dealers selling the rpi?
[0:53] <AR_> Or are they available elsewhere now
[0:54] <IT_Sean> Just the two shown on the raspi homepage.
[0:54] <gordonDrogon> 3 if you count ebay...
[0:54] <AR_> ok
[0:54] <AR_> hmm
[0:54] <AR_> I'm trying to decide if there is a difference of which I purchase from
[0:54] <AR_> I'm in the usa
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[0:57] <torsteiny> If you go with farnell, remember to register first :) I don't have package tracing because I didn't register. Driving me crazy... :p
[0:58] <chithead> farnell claims to have shorter lead time. rs is cheaper when you buy multiple units
[0:58] <stain> I put in an order with both in end of June or something
[0:58] <stain> got the Farnell after about a month
[0:58] <stain> still waiting for RS
[0:59] <bircoe> something else to consider Farnell units have Samsung RAM where RS units have Hynix RAM...
[0:59] <bertrik> bircoe, so, is there some performance difference?
[0:59] <bircoe> not that I can tell, altho I've never benchmarked them
[1:00] <torsteiny> stain: Did you get a confirmation email with expected delivery date?
[1:00] <Tobias|> I wouldn't be too concerned about RAM of all things
[1:00] <bircoe> I have both and surprisingly the Hynix version overclocks further than the Samsung version does.
[1:00] <mru> bircoe: if they are clocked the same it shouldn't make much if any difference
[1:00] <mru> one overclocking better than the other is nothing strange
[1:01] <bircoe> Tobias|, not concerned, just pointing out something I noticed between my 2
[1:01] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RaspberryPi_Boards says that farnell has both samsung and hynix
[1:02] <Fleck> dwatkins still here?
[1:02] <stain> torsteiny: yes, think so.. September
[1:02] <torsteiny> from farnell?
[1:03] <dwatkins> Fleck: only just
[1:03] <Fleck> dwatkins nfs - same problem! :(
[1:03] <dwatkins> bah
[1:03] <stain> I ordered from Farnell 18th of July, actually, got it 27th of July
[1:04] <stain> ordered from RS 2nd July, just one email with " Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 11 week(s))"
[1:04] <torsteiny> where do you live then? I thought it was just around the corner.
[1:04] <dwatkins> no idea, Fleck - seems not to be one particular thing
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[1:05] <Fleck> dwatkins looks like cpu using is too high...
[1:05] <Fleck> *usage
[1:05] <dwatkins> ahh, can you lower that, Fleck?
[1:05] <Fleck> how?
[1:06] <torsteiny> Have anyone tried running xbmc with a torrent daemon in the background btw?
[1:06] <dwatkins> i guess not with a particular video, but you could transcode the video to something that plays better
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[1:07] <stain> torsteiny: Manchester
[1:08] <stain> torsteiny: I guess yours might be stock in Norwegian customs..
[1:08] <stain> stuck
[1:08] <torsteiny> oh shit :)
[1:08] <stain> torsteiny: they sent email with "has been shipped" on 26th
[1:08] <stain> the Thursday.. then on the Monday it was there in my office
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[1:09] <stain> it might have been there on Friday, but I was working from home that day :)
[1:09] <stain> Farnell that was
[1:09] <torsteiny> cool, guess I shouldn't hope for it comming just yet then.
[1:09] <Tz1m1sc3> hi there
[1:10] <torsteiny> Got the "has been shipped" email 5 days ago. So annoying without package tracing.
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[1:15] <AR_> anyone order from newark element14?
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[1:27] <hotwings> AR_ - i did
[1:28] <AR_> how recent? did it arrive yet?
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[1:29] <hotwings> i ordered on march 1. it arrived towards the end of june
[1:29] <AR_> ah
[1:30] <AR_> it says "Availability 0" now, and when i put it in the cart it says mFurther stock expected to ship 12 Sep, 2012
[1:30] <AR_> maybe i should just wait
[1:30] <AR_> until they are more available
[1:31] <AR_> are there any <$50 rpi-sized boards as alternatives?
[1:31] <chithead> I don't think waiting will make you get them faster
[1:31] <AR_> yeah but I dont have much time to spend on projects either
[1:31] <plugwash> afaict the estimates on farnell's website are pretty pessimistic
[1:32] <chithead> alternatives for <$50 are mostly the android tv dongles on ebay (you can replace android with some linux distro)
[1:32] <plugwash> reports from the forum is they are generally shipping within a week or so now
[1:32] <AR_> hm
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[1:36] <hotwings> you could always order and if it doesnt ship by a certain date, just cancel the order
[1:37] <hotwings> youre not charged until it ships
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[1:59] <techman2> morning all
[2:00] <hotwings> its 5pm dude
[2:01] <techman2> heheh
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[2:01] <techman2> not here :P
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[2:02] <techman2> how's things?
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[2:06] <npm> has anybody made a qt-creator cross-compilation environment to create rasbpian .deb's and remotely install them via SSH (since all of Qt 4.8.X is there and working)
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[2:21] <dennistlg> 02:19am here
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[2:23] <dennistlg> anyone know owncloud alternates.?
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[2:28] <MycoRunner> hey so I've got a handful of old SD cards
[2:28] <MycoRunner> what is a popular benchmark to use on them?
[2:28] <MycoRunner> a WINDOWS one
[2:28] <stain> raspbmc just works, even with my TV remote over REGZA LINK
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[2:29] <bircoe> stain, as does OpenELEC with my daughters Teac LCD.
[2:29] <stain> now realizing that this Crystalbuntu fir AppleTV 1 - same guy
[2:29] <stain> just stranger website
[2:30] <bircoe> I wish I got on the AppleTV1 band wagon before they were discontinued... great little machine!
[2:30] <stain> this is great because I've lost my Apple TV remote
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[2:38] <szkud> trying to figure out if I have a dud. I'm getting a full PWR light with a very faint OK, and I've tried multiple SD cards, OSs and USB leads.
[2:39] <szkud> If there's no SD card, will it display anything via HDMI?
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[2:40] <timg> pure black for me
[2:40] <stain> when you say faint... do you mean low brightness, or just a blink?
[2:40] <timg> pretty sure you need an OS for it to do anything
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[2:41] <bircoe> stain, Raspberry Pi boots it's firmware and OS off the SD card, so no SD no nothing...
[2:42] <szkud> the OK light is a tiny, tiny point of green light
[2:42] <bircoe> try updating the firmware...
[2:42] <szkud> oh?
[2:42] <timg> i'd make sure you loaded the os to the sd card properly.
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[2:43] <bircoe> I initially had these sorts of problems when building my own OpenELEC, but i didn't update the firmware and as the Kernel get's developed it needed the firmware to be updated, now I build and update the firmware at the same time and never have problems...
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[2:49] <bircoe> Give this a go... this firmware:
[2:49] <bircoe> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/RPi/firmware.zip
[2:49] <bircoe> Goes with this kernel:
[2:49] <bircoe> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/RPi/kernel.zip
[2:50] <bircoe> That kernel is the current build from OpenELEC, I'd imagine it would work with raspbmc but have not tested it...
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[2:52] <mlmmt> does anybody here run ZNC on their rasberry, I am in need of help configuring it
[2:52] <mlmmt> >.<
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[3:00] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[3:06] <szkud> It was a bad guide. Whoever said SD card, you were right
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[3:07] <bircoe> faulty card?
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[3:14] <Tz1m1sc3> mlmmt lol...why should you a ZNC/BNC whatever when you can have irssi running in a screen you can detach and reatach huh?
[3:14] <mlmmt> various reasons
[3:14] <mlmmt> one of which being that I hate irssi
[3:14] <mlmmt> anyways, got it going
[3:15] <mlmmt> thanks to google
[3:15] <szkud> bircoe: The guide I was following finished the dd line with of=/dev/disk1s1 instead of rdisk1
[3:17] <rotozip> anyone using Adafruits Occidentalist image on their PI?
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[3:18] <Viper> try weechat
[3:18] <bircoe> ahhh well the person who wrote the guide should have explained that the dd command needs to be adjusted for your SD card
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[3:20] <ziltro2> weechat is great, except for the horrible name :)
[3:20] <szkud> They should give me back the two days of panic
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[3:33] <hotwings> znc is great
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[4:04] <timg> trying to load cloud9.. doesn't look like it's gonna happen
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[4:05] <eva_02> Hello. Can i control onboard led's like a regular GPIO? I mean led like LNK, FDX, 10M
[4:05] <eva_02> ?
[4:05] <timg> probably
[4:06] <acausal> hm, some are hard wired to the hub/ethernet chip
[4:06] <eva_02> acausal, all of them?
[4:06] <acausal> checking
[4:07] <acausal> full duplex/link/100m are all wired to pins on the lan chip yeah
[4:08] <acausal> status LED is gpio
[4:08] <acausal> power is hard wired to power
[4:08] <eva_02> acausal, status led? you mean "OK" led?
[4:08] <acausal> the schematic calls it status LED :P
[4:08] <eva_02> i get
[4:09] <eva_02> thank you
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[4:58] <Sp0tter> has anyone gotten the pi to auto power off an unused monitor over hdmi?
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[5:05] <madscot> anyone know of a reason I can't ping or vnc to my PI from OSX using the raspberrypi.local ... when I can on windows .... I thought bonjour was a mac thing ;)
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[5:10] <ladoga> frodo dpkg -l lists installed packages.
[5:10] <ladoga> sorry :)
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[5:13] <Sp0tter> why is xbmc not available in the repos?
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[6:04] <mongrelion> what's a good bittorrent client to run on the rpi?
[6:04] <mongrelion> a daemon + web interface client would be good for me.
[6:05] <mongrelion> some experience with transmission?
[6:06] <Gallomimia> i'm betting that would be best because of its lightweightedness
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[6:18] <f8ba208e18> hi hi hi
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[6:54] <Criten> gordonDrogon: Hey, you there?
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[7:05] <f8ba208e18> anyone here using raspbian wheezy? I'm wondering what web server to use...
[7:06] <f8ba208e18> I wanna do php or maybe python
[7:06] <Criten> I am using wheezy!
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[7:06] <Criten> HAven't played with a web server though.
[7:06] <Criten> try lighthttpd
[7:06] <f8ba208e18> my hopes... they are crushed!
[7:07] <Criten> sudo apt-get install lighthttpd
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[7:08] <f8ba208e18> Criten: its actually 'lighttpd' :P
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[7:09] <Criten> f8ba208e18: close enough... It's been a few years since i've used it : ]
[7:09] <f8ba208e18> hehe, thanks
[7:09] <f8ba208e18> CGI should do the job, I just wanna write a simple GUI thing to experiment with omxplayer
[7:10] <Criten> Yea... lighttpd is probably better than apache on the pi... it's lighter.
[7:10] <f8ba208e18> i know right. plus I only have a sacre 200mb left
[7:10] <f8ba208e18> scarce*
[7:10] <Criten> haha
[7:10] <Criten> Get a better card : D
[7:10] <f8ba208e18> it's in the mail right now.
[7:10] <Criten> Nice!
[7:10] <Criten> What size?
[7:10] <f8ba208e18> hong kong is a far away place, 8gb class10
[7:11] <Criten> sweet, that's what i'm using
[7:11] <f8ba208e18> nice :)
[7:11] <Criten> I am so impressed by the HD playback... I just started playing around with xbmc today
[7:11] <Criten> Even streaming through samba
[7:11] <Criten> it's awesome
[7:11] <acausal> the class 2 i got is way faster than the class 2 minimum
[7:11] <f8ba208e18> I hooked up an old mp3 player that has an internal memory of 1gb... it's basically a USB drive. I'm using that as my samba share to put low deifnition movies on it
[7:11] <f8ba208e18> welfare setup...!!!
[7:11] <Criten> haha
[7:12] <Criten> nice
[7:12] <f8ba208e18> I tried too yesterday, the 720p playback on my 58" was just.. wow
[7:12] <Criten> Yea!
[7:12] <Criten> It's crazy.
[7:12] <f8ba208e18> I know, and $35
[7:12] <Criten> With almost no setup
[7:12] <f8ba208e18> I only need a wifi adapter now
[7:12] <f8ba208e18> and i'll be good for a while
[7:13] <Criten> Yea, i'm going to need to grab one at some-point
[7:13] <f8ba208e18> long term plan is to hook it up to a solar pannel and a 2ish MP webcam to do long exposure scenery videos
[7:13] <Criten> I'm making a wireless robot with mine that is controlled over the internet
[7:13] <f8ba208e18> awesome! a friend of mine did that in college
[7:13] <Criten> I did it before with a micro-itx mobo
[7:14] <Criten> But that was power hungry compared to this
[7:14] <f8ba208e18> I bet...
[7:14] <Criten> mini-itx*
[7:14] <f8ba208e18> what kind of battery would you use?
[7:14] <f8ba208e18> I'm still looking for decent batteries
[7:14] <Criten> for this? Just a 12-volt led acid
[7:14] <Criten> and get a 5v regulator
[7:14] <f8ba208e18> yeah .. cause 12 volt would melt that up
[7:14] <f8ba208e18> nice nice
[7:15] <Criten> Just a 5v regular from radioshack will do..
[7:15] <Criten> they are rated for around 1.5amp i think
[7:15] <f8ba208e18> rip radioshack in canada
[7:15] <Criten> and they are like 2$
[7:16] <chithead> you can use one of those car usb chargers (it must be rated for 700 mA at least)
[7:16] <Criten> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/107
[7:16] <Criten> that's good for 1.5A
[7:18] <chithead> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251095941531
[7:19] <Criten> Would much rather go with the chip
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[7:19] <Criten> But that would work too
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[7:35] <home> so...tried XBMC
[7:35] <home> with Xbian
[7:35] <home> pretty smooth experience, until I messed with some addons
[7:36] <home> but great..nonetheless.. :D
[7:36] <home> bircoe: hello :D
[7:36] <home> bircoe: So I got a charger for 5V at 0.7mA
[7:36] <bircoe> gday
[7:36] <home> bircoe: going to need something that does 2A lol
[7:37] <bircoe> yup :)
[7:37] <home> going to OC mine..so XD
[7:37] <home> thinking of installing some heatsinks
[7:37] <home> I want to hit atleast 1ghz..stable XD
[7:37] <home> or close to it >.>
[7:37] <home> and see what benefits I get from it..
[7:37] <home> Ihave a project for a couple of Pi's..
[7:38] <bircoe> you don't really need them, besides the CPU is under the RAM, you'll be sinking the RAM with no great benefit to the CPU
[7:39] <chithead> I think heat is not the problem when overclocking the pi
[7:40] <home> yeah
[7:40] <home> its the power supply
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[7:40] <home> bircoe: I dont need heatsinks? Why not 0_0
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[7:41] <home> also, did anyone uhm...use bodhilinux?
[7:41] <home> I want to use it with my image..but I dont have xorg?
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[7:42] <bircoe> if theCPU were exposed you might benefit from a heatsink... but we're talking very low power numbers here.
[7:43] <home> I see
[7:46] <bircoe> 5V @ 700 mA = 3.5w... not really enough to generate any significant heat.
[7:46] <bircoe> there's people that have hit 1050 and 1100mhz with these things with only minor overvolting.
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[7:47] <bircoe> http://www.memetic.org/raspberry-pi-xbmc-and-dts-audio/
[7:48] <Criten> I dont get why I get serial feedback in the arduino IDE monitor but I cant grab any data through the serial port in C or Python....
[7:48] * Criten puzzled
[7:48] <chithead> you may want to place a heatsink on the voltage regulators (or replace them with switching ones)
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[7:52] <jaxdahl> Criten, got the correct speed and handshake?
[7:52] <jaxdahl> close the port in the IDE before you open in c/python?
[7:53] <Criten> I reboot often enough that i know that the later isnt the problem...
[7:53] <Criten> the speed is correct
[7:53] <Criten> I guess i'm not sure about the handshake..
[7:54] <jaxdahl> do you have putty?
[7:54] <Criten> yes
[7:54] <jaxdahl> you can open a com port in there
[7:54] <Criten> on windows it works fine
[7:54] <Criten> not on the pi
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[7:54] <jaxdahl> ah
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[7:58] <Criten> There isn't really a reason why this shouldn't work haha
[7:58] <Criten> jaxdahl: do you know of a terminal based serial monitor?
[7:59] <Criten> gordonDrogon told me of one before but i forget...
[8:05] <Criten> Found it.
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[8:13] <Criten> got it!!!!!!!
[8:13] <phonebook_> thx
[8:14] <phonebook_> so, what are you guys making with your raspberries?
[8:14] <Criten> network controlled robot, with controls via html5 and possibly websockets
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[8:19] <phonebook_> where you getting your frame?
[8:19] <phonebook_> for the robot
[8:19] <phonebook_> self built or kit?
[8:19] <Criten> self
[8:19] <Criten> Already build actually
[8:19] <Criten> built*
[8:19] <Criten> It's an old project i'm re-doing with the Pi
[8:19] <phonebook_> niceeeeeeeeeee
[8:19] <Criten> Super cheap
[8:20] <phonebook_> metal frame?
[8:20] <Criten> Wood
[8:20] <phonebook_> $#%
[8:20] <phonebook_> woods no good
[8:20] <Criten> So you say.
[8:20] <phonebook_> i want to build a metal frame but live in an aprt and cant weld
[8:20] <Criten> My robot begs to differ : ]
[8:20] <phonebook_> plus i dont know how to weld
[8:21] <Criten> I'm using 5$ drill motors for wheel
[8:21] <Criten> ...
[8:22] <Criten> 'm using 5$ drill motors for drive*
[8:22] <Criten> the axel is stock steel. I welded it to the wheel and just tighten it in the chuck
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[8:22] <Criten> of the drill motor
[8:23] <phonebook_> nice nice
[8:23] <phonebook_> so webcam for eyes?
[8:23] <Criten> yup
[8:23] <phonebook_> what do you think about kinect?
[8:23] <Criten> I used skype before... but probably have to use vlc or something with the pi?..
[8:23] <Criten> Uhh. It's awesome but I dont have one : ]
[8:23] * cccyRegeaneAway is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[8:24] <phonebook_> microsoft has one for sale specifically for tinkering. currently $250 but soon to drop to $150. not sure how that woudl play with respberry
[8:26] <Criten> hmm. interesting
[8:27] <Criten> To much for me to spend currently haha
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[8:28] <Criten> gordonDrogon: ping.
[8:29] <Criten> Anyone here have experience with pySerial?
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[8:32] <Criten> WOO NVM GOT IT!
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[8:41] <bircoe> Buy a kinect used... I recently purchased one for $80 with 3 games!
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[8:42] <bircoe> Everyone even remotely interested in hardware tinkering should put a vote in for Ladyada:
[8:42] <bircoe> http://www.entrepreneur.com/e2012#1341
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[8:44] <Criten> Neat
[8:44] <Criten> Voted!
[8:45] <Criten> I've bought stuff off of their website before
[8:45] <Criten> good stuff
[8:45] <Criten> http://www.adafruit.com/products/885
[8:45] <Criten> That. Is. Adorable.
[8:47] <f0x90> http://www.amazon.com/AT-Laptop-Dock-Motorola-ATRIX/dp/B004M17D62/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1344665454&sr=8-2&keywords=lapdock+100
[8:47] <f0x90> amazing price.. could it be made to work with teh pie???
[8:47] <Criten> Super interesting...
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[8:48] <bircoe> f0x90, it's been done already
[8:48] <Criten> bircoe: Is it just hdmi and usb?
[8:48] <bircoe> the video that passes from the Atrix to the dock is HDMI which is super easy to adapt to the pi
[8:49] <Criten> That's convenient.
[8:49] <bircoe> http://liliputing.com/2012/06/turn-a-raspberry-pi-into-laptop-with-a-70-motorola-lapdock.html
[8:50] <bircoe> isn't it just
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[8:50] <bircoe> seriously considering getting one and ordering another Pi
[8:50] <[Electron]> hello. I wanted to ask whether raspberrypi can run softwares like MATLAB etc.?
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[8:50] <Criten> [Electron]: Probably not matlab.. unless they have an ARM port..
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[8:50] <bircoe> if matlab either has an arm build or sources available to compile then yes...
[8:52] <Criten> f0x90: I want one of those now... haha
[8:53] <bircoe> http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/580378598-HongKong-Post-Freeshipping-IPTV-MK802-Allwinner-A10-Android-4-0-RAM-1GB-ROM-4GB-1-5GHz-wholesalers.html
[8:53] <bircoe> hmmmm
[8:53] <Criten> I remember reading about those. Really cool
[8:53] <chithead> [Electron]: if "like MATLAB" includes gnu octave, then yes
[8:54] <Criten> bircoe: I wonder if they can be unlocked to throw linux on them
[8:54] <chithead> they are not locked at all
[8:55] <bircoe> Ubuntu has been run on the AllWinner A10 so I don't see why not...
[8:55] <chithead> android is preinstalled for commercial reasons, but you can install any linux you want
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[8:56] <bircoe> http://liliputing.com/2012/06/ubuntu-12-04-and-lubuntu-12-04-images-for-the-mk802-mini-pc.html
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[8:56] <Criten> Crazy
[8:56] <bircoe> would make a nice alternative to the Pi if you wanted double the clock and double the RAM with onboard storage + Wifi... pretty decent value when you look at it that way
[8:57] <Criten> Might have another toy to buy..
[8:57] <comradekingu> What frequency does the mem gpu and cpu cap out at?
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[8:57] <Criten> comradekingu: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/580378598-HongKong-Post-Freeshipping-IPTV-MK802-Allwinner-A10-Android-4-0-RAM-1GB-ROM-4GB-1-5GHz-wholesalers.html
[8:57] <Criten> scroll down a bit
[8:58] <Criten> I feel like we are going to start seeing TONS of these little pcs showing up
[8:58] <bircoe> https://www.miniand.com/products/Hackberry%20A10%20Developer%20Board
[8:59] <Criten> They are pretty easy to design and the parts are cheap
[9:00] <bircoe> the 1gb RAM version of that could be quite nice for hacking!
[9:00] <bircoe> shame the A10 is only clocked at 1.2ghz
[9:01] <comradekingu> Criten: linkbait?
[9:01] <Criten> ?
[9:02] <comradekingu> what part of my question does that answer?
[9:03] <Criten> All of it : ]
[9:03] <bircoe> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mele-1080p-android-2-3-internet-tv-set-top-box-w-wifi-optical-3-x-usb-hdmi-av-lan-sd-119913
[9:03] <bircoe> ^^^^ Has SATA!!!
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[9:04] <comradekingu> Criten: So if i ask a question about the raspberry pi the answer is to buy some armv7 hardware?
[9:05] <chithead> comradekingu: maybe he thought that your question was referring to his statement directly above
[9:05] <comradekingu> I upped the cooling on the voltage regulator, the SoC and the gpu, anything else to consider?
[9:05] <Criten> Yea.... I think that's what happened. Sorry. hahaa
[9:06] <chithead> you can overclock the pi without overvolting to ~900 mhz, memory depends on whether you got hynix or samsung
[9:06] <comradekingu> i got hynix
[9:06] <comradekingu> didnt elpida buy hynix?
[9:07] <bircoe> in my experience the hynix one overclocks better
[9:08] <comradekingu> micron bought elpida
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[9:08] <comradekingu> and hynix is now sk hynix
[9:09] <comradekingu> Anything over 1000/500 reported?
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[9:10] <comradekingu> got 32 degrees down from 48 on the hottest components, measured at heatsink
[9:10] <comradekingu> at 800MHz
[9:13] <chithead> users in the forums report that with overvolt, you can reach 1100-1200 mhz
[9:14] <comradekingu> ill run on 1000 for a bit and see how that goes
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[9:16] <bircoe> any cases much better than these for the money?
[9:16] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Raspberry-Pi-Closed-Case-Rascase-/251121883324?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item3a7807d8bc#ht_6751wt_1025
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[9:18] <chithead> no dsi/csi cut-out, not future-proof ;)
[9:21] <comradekingu> could you not cut that out yourself?
[9:23] <reider59> I have a sandwich case with my first Pi, that has cutouts for both my self wired jumpers (old ribbon cable pared at one end) and home made ribbon cable with two connectors on (from the vid in the forum). The second Pi (due today or Monday maybe) is going in a box type case with no cutouts.
[9:31] <comradekingu> are there any software temp sensors on the pi that can be reached via lm-sensors?
[9:39] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, that's cheap!
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> Looks like a copy of the adafrut one, complete with their "dragon claws" ...
[9:41] <Criten> gordonDrogon: I got it working!..... mostly
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> Criten, oh, the serial interface?
[9:41] <Criten> gordonDrogon: yes.
[9:42] <Criten> gordonDrogon: I have a python program that I have to run. Then I can connect to it through your serial library...
[9:42] <gordonDrogon> Criten, seems very odd... what does the python program do?
[9:42] <Criten> gordonDrogon: Let me past-bin it
[9:42] <Criten> pastebin
[9:43] <Criten> It's quite simple.
[9:43] <Criten> gordonDrogon: http://pastebin.com/fj2TUbKF
[9:44] <Criten> gordonDrogon: http://pastebin.com/ebgZGNT5
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> intersting. so it's telling the kernel driver to use rts/cts - which the Pi doesn't use.
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> *Arduino.
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> I'll have a play myself later today.
[9:44] <Criten> Yea, I figured that out through minicom.
[9:45] <Criten> I way fiddling with the setting trying to make it work
[9:45] <Criten> was*
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> got a bunch of arduinos here - only older 2009's thos, not Unos which have a newer usc serial chip.
[9:45] <Criten> and i turned on hardware flow control then it just started working
[9:45] * gordonDrogon nods.
[9:45] <Criten> Which the arduino should not need.
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[9:45] <Criten> Also
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> is it an Uno or Demiulanove ?
[9:45] <Criten> The serial buffer starts out FULL of zeros
[9:45] <Criten> so i need to run the python clearinput
[9:46] <Criten> I have a older nano with.... https://www.sparkfun.com/products/718
[9:46] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if that's an artifact of resetting the board...
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> ok - that's the same as the 2009/Duemilanove.
[9:47] <Criten> Yea, it is.
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> which I have and have had talkng to a Pi without any issues using that library.
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
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[9:48] <Criten> I was going to suggest that you add a clear for the input buffer in your library. Might be useful in other circumstances too,
[9:48] <Criten> Hmm, strange.
[9:48] <Criten> Are you using rasbian?
[9:49] <Criten> I love the monitor by the way : ]
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> yes, reaspbian.
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> or even Raspbian..
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> it was the first monitor I hooked my Pi up to!
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> workd a treat - was still using it until a week or so ago.
[9:50] <Criten> That's fantastic. It makes me want to grab my old tv from the basement.
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> it's about 30 years old.
[9:50] <Criten> Older than me!
[9:50] <f8ba208e18> jesus christ its 4 AM
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> managed 640x480 OK.
[9:51] <f8ba208e18> this damn RPi.......
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> f8ba208e18, hooked :) but it's nearly 9am here...
[9:51] <Criten> f8ba208e18: Welcome to the world of linux.
[9:51] <f8ba208e18> I just finished setting up python with lighttpd Criten
[9:51] <f8ba208e18> I had so many issues it's unbelievable !!!
[9:51] <Criten> f8ba208e18: How's it going? It working?
[9:51] <f8ba208e18> I also just burst out in joy 1 min ago when I managed to print "Hello world!"
[9:52] <Criten> f8ba208e18: Yea... python can be a pain on http servers..
[9:52] <f8ba208e18> yes it's finally working
[9:52] <Criten> Great : ]
[9:52] <f8ba208e18> I'm so happy I fixed it
[9:52] <Criten> gordonDrogon: I wonder what the difference between our two setups are... that's causing me so much trouble..
[9:53] <f8ba208e18> is XBMC available for the raspbian wheezy image?
[9:53] <Criten> f8ba208e18: Not easily... that i know of
[9:53] <f8ba208e18> which one did you try it on? arch?
[9:54] <Criten> f8ba208e18: http://www.raspbmc.com/
[9:54] <Criten> by far the easiest way
[9:54] <gordonDrogon> Criten, actually, I've not run that setup up since starting with Raspbian - that was on the original Debian. I wonder if anything changes - however the ftdi driver is pretty generic in the kernel...
[9:54] <f8ba208e18> oh lol
[9:54] <f8ba208e18> thansk for that
[9:55] <Criten> f8ba208e18: the windows installer is fantastic
[9:55] <f8ba208e18> I wanna give arch a shot but my SD card is lacking a couple megabytes to allow it :(
[9:55] <f8ba208e18> Criten: that will ahve to wait for my other SD to get from the mail, I'm not scrapping what I got on this one! :P
[9:55] <f8ba208e18> but I've seen video, it looks just amazing
[9:55] <Criten> f8ba208e18: It was wonderful when i got a 1080p video playing today
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[9:55] <f8ba208e18> I bet!
[9:56] <Criten> f8ba208e18: Over a samba share too haha
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> I don't have a 1080p TV/Monitor
[9:56] <f8ba208e18> seriously? straight up awesome
[9:56] <gordonDrogon> Hm. my wife has a 1080p monitor with a DVI input, so picture, no sound....
[9:56] <Criten> f8ba208e18: yea raspbmc support samba
[9:56] <Criten> gordonDrogon: I ended up using my monitor and headphones
[9:56] <f8ba208e18> yeah I know that, I set it up earlier
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[9:57] <f8ba208e18> Criten: how was the quality tough?
[9:57] <Tachyon`> DVI does support audio these days but finding a display taht supports it...
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[9:57] <gordonDrogon> not that fussed. I got a 720p TV to replace that old tube monitor though.
[9:57] <Tachyon`> ahh
[9:57] <Criten> f8ba208e18: Fantastic. No glitching at all
[9:57] <f8ba208e18> gahh I can't wait until I get my sd card!!!
[9:58] <Criten> f8ba208e18: Except with the 12gb inception rip.....
[9:58] * Tachyon` eyes f8ba208e18
[9:58] <Criten> That got bogged down a bit hahaha
[9:58] <Tachyon`> okay, I've got to ask
[9:58] <f8ba208e18> I bet
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> actually, very impressed with it - ?65 for a TV with 2 HDMI inputs, composite video, scart, ,rgb, YUV (Yes, YUV - Why? Who knows), VGA and USB...
[9:58] <Tachyon`> why are you a 40 bit hex string?
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> and a freeview tuner built in too.
[9:58] <Criten> That's an awesome deal!
[9:59] <Criten> I eneded up getting my 24" 1080p computer monitor last winder.. It's fantastic
[9:59] <Criten> winter*
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> it was refurbished from currys, but it ticks all the boxes. Actualy resolution is 1336x768
[9:59] <Tachyon`> 1366*
[9:59] <f8ba208e18> Tachyon`: joined a fishy IRC server once with local activists and I was lacking originality for a nickname... so I MD5ed my nick with a random hash and took the first 10 chars... I have no idea why but it stuck
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[9:59] <gordonDrogon> yes 1366 ish.
[9:59] <Tachyon`> ahh, lol
[9:59] <Tachyon`> mine is 1366x768, cheap tesco job
[9:59] <Tachyon`> got it broken for free and fixed it
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> however it's a TV, so needs overscan and was a bit fiddly to setup, but it's going OK now.
[10:00] <Criten> I also end up getting allot of old broken monitors from friends. 50% of the time all you have to do is replace the capacitors on the power supply and you got yourself a working monitor.
[10:00] <f8ba208e18> alright, good night guys
[10:00] <f8ba208e18> have fun
[10:00] <Criten> f8ba208e18: Goodnight! Congrats on your success.
[10:00] <f8ba208e18> hah - thanks
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[10:00] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, probably the same internals I suspect - this is a 16" screen.
[10:00] <Tachyon`> ahh, thi sone is 37" but the internals are widely used
[10:00] <Tachyon`> as I discovered when buying replacement parts
[10:01] <Criten> What did you have to replace?
[10:01] <Tachyon`> the display says Technika on it but is actually a Vestel device
[10:01] <Tachyon`> in the end just a cable but I thought it was the logic board so replaced that, didn't work so then replaced the LCD controller, that did work but only because I moved the cable, felt like an idiot there, lol
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[10:02] <Criten> Hahaha that's frustrating
[10:02] <Tachyon`> the cable that connects the logic board to the lcd controller
[10:02] <Tachyon`> that was the culprit, lol
[10:02] <Criten> Gotcha
[10:02] <Tachyon`> stil, have a lot of spares
[10:02] <Criten> A hard find though
[10:02] <Tachyon`> should anything go wrong
[10:02] <Criten> That monitor should be around for a while!
[10:02] <Tachyon`> and the logic board wasn't a total loss
[10:02] <Tachyon`> as the new board I got had a VGA input
[10:02] <Tachyon`> and the original didn't
[10:02] <Criten> Nice!
[10:02] <Criten> Upgrade haha
[10:03] <Tachyon`> also removed the digital tuner
[10:03] <Tachyon`> as I don't pay the BBC tax
[10:03] <Tachyon`> and they can't accuse me fo watching anything if there's no receiver, lol
[10:03] <Criten> gordonDrogon: How would I go about clearing the input buffer in C?
[10:03] <Tachyon`> fflush?
[10:03] <Criten> I
[10:04] <Criten> That's what I was reading.
[10:04] <Criten> Just wanted to make sure.
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> Criten, there's an ioctl, or another syscall - hang on and I'll look it up.
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> fflush is for the buffered IO library
[10:05] <Criten> Ah gotcha..
[10:07] <gordonDrogon> Looks like there is an extra parameter to pass into tcsetattr()
[10:07] <Criten> gordonDrogon: ioctl with TCFLSH?
[10:08] <Criten> gordonDrogon: I'm reading through http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Serial_Programming/termio
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> TCSAFLUSH
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> ah, that's for tcsetattr - looks like many ways to do it.
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> Try changing like 104 in wiringSerial.c:
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> tcsetattr (fd, TCSANOW | TCSAFLUSH, &options) ;
[10:09] <Criten> gordonDrogon: http://pastebin.com/q3XV8xiW
[10:10] <Criten> gordonDrogon: Alright, i'll try that
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> I'll look at adding flush support later.
[10:10] <Criten> I think it will be useful
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> but that ought to zap the buffer when you first open it.
[10:10] <Criten> Yea, that sounds good
[10:11] <Criten> ...now if i could remember where i put your library on my pi hahaha
[10:11] <Criten> I need to be more organized on this thing
[10:11] <Criten> has been about 3 days of just doing random stuff : ]
[10:11] <Criten> do you have an svn?
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> no
[10:12] <Criten> gordonDrogon: You should set one up! : ]
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> I have my own version control system I write years and years ago.
[10:12] <Criten> Oh haha
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> however I'm looking to move it all to git sometime soon.
[10:12] <Criten> that would be cool.
[10:12] <Criten> Makes it easier for others to contribute
[10:12] <Criten> Have you looked into google code?
[10:13] <Criten> or github
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> not really.
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> yes, but don't want to use it.
[10:13] <Criten> Ah gotcha
[10:13] <Criten> I have never used github..
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> I own my own servers - I don't want or need anyone else to host my code.
[10:13] <Criten> I can respect that
[10:13] <Criten> I have my own subversion server as-well
[10:14] <Criten> I like how easy a service like google code makes it for others to contribute though
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> I've just helped a client move from svn to Hg too - shame they didn't want to use GIT, I'd have made more of an effort to learn it then!
[10:14] <Criten> makes a nice community of coders.
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[10:14] <Criten> I've been stuck on SVN... It works for me and I dont have much motivation to move
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> yea, I understand that :)
[10:15] <Criten> I understand that it does end up slowing down with bigger projects... but none of mine are big enough for that to affect me.
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> I used fvwm for 20 years before moving to xfce ...
[10:15] <Criten> wow haha
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> just checked - 19 years.
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> started on SunOS then moved to Linux.
[10:16] <Criten> SunOS is before my time. haha
[10:16] <gordonDrogon> I only changed last year as it seemed to be broken under Debian when I upgraded to Squeeze on my desktop
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[10:18] <Criten> On my main workstation I'm on win7 where i do most of my development but all of my servers are debian/centos
[10:18] <Criten> I've been doing mostly web stuff lately. It's a joy that I get to dive back into C with the Pi
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> everything I have is Debian.
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> my laptop is dual-boot to XP, but it's been years since I did that.
[10:20] <Criten> Yea, if I didn't have my reasons to keep windows around I would have ditched it.
[10:20] <Criten> Mostly school at this point.
[10:22] <Criten> Granted.. Windows does offer a better graphical interface IMO.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> looks like tcflush() is the correct way to do it on serial lines now rather than use the ioctl.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> and you can separate the reading & writing buffers too.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> so I'll add that in shortly.
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> actually, I was watching someone use KDE last night... I was relatively impressed, but it did seem more eye-candy than usabiltiy though.
[10:24] <Criten> gordonDrogon: Yea.. I used the new KDE for a while. It is pretty nice, but it's still pretty buggy and it's mostly just overhead that looks nice
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> looks like it really needs GPU support although I hated the way it was setup with jelly/wobbly window moves...
[10:25] <Criten> oh gosh... the wobbly windows are the worst
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> he was demoing it via a projector..
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[10:25] <gordonDrogon> going on about cashew nuts and other stuff which I didn't quite "get" ...
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> maybe it's an age thing :)
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> although he's the same age as me - but been using KDE since day 1...
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[10:26] <Criten> gordonDrogon: http://hanschen.org/2008/10/23/plasma-how-to-remove-the-cashew/
[10:27] <Criten> I think that's it
[10:27] <Criten> Jeese... I'm tired.
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> heh
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> try bed - I hear it's good for remiving tirdeness :)
[10:28] <gordonDrogon> I spent 8 hours in mine last night!
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[10:28] <Criten> It's not quite light out yet... I've still got time!
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[10:29] <gordonDrogon> lights out? home with parents or college dorm?
[10:30] <Berry_HK> nah... just plugged in a wattometer in between my MacMini G4
[10:30] <Berry_HK> average power consumption = 40 watt
[10:30] <Berry_HK> and i use it only for IRC
[10:31] <Berry_HK> so i think of replacing the MacMiniG4 for the raspberry pi
[10:32] <Berry_HK> and use this as a bouncer and client
[10:32] <Criten> Go for it!
[10:32] <Berry_HK> the power consumption can't even be measured by my watt-o-meter
[10:32] <Criten> Go greed : ]
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> what's a good irc bouncer client for linux?
[10:32] <Berry_HK> bip
[10:32] <Criten> green*
[10:32] <Berry_HK> in think
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> green bip :)
[10:33] <Berry_HK> just beginning on learning on bouncers etc
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> do they run without X?
[10:33] <Berry_HK> but a nice project
[10:33] <Berry_HK> guess so
[10:33] <Berry_HK> i can install in my nas too
[10:33] <Berry_HK> so it should
[10:33] <Berry_HK> synology
[10:34] <Berry_HK> but i rather do not use the NAS for this
[10:34] <Berry_HK> going to try tonight on noarch
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[10:35] <Berry_HK> Criten: greed vs green... nice typo
[10:35] <Berry_HK> ;-)
[10:35] <Criten> Yea.... : P
[10:36] <Berry_HK> and on top of all the raspi doesnt take that much room, no noise and i can stuff it anywhere
[10:36] <Berry_HK> power and ethetnet is all i need
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> breakfast time I think...
[10:36] <Berry_HK> and VNC ?
[10:36] <Berry_HK> ?=!
[10:36] <Berry_HK> here too
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ pi0: uptime
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> 09:34:19 up 10 days, 15:22, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[10:36] <Berry_HK> later dudes
[10:36] <gordonDrogon> heh - longest so-far - more by accident than design too!
[10:36] <Criten> Nice
[10:36] <Berry_HK> hehe
[10:37] <Berry_HK> hopefully i can top that with my RaspBerry pIRC
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[10:37] <Berry_HK> actually my real name is Berry ;-) so i like the product name alot
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> when you get to this:
[10:37] <gordonDrogon> 09:35:38 up 1383 days, 11:41, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> let me know :)
[10:38] <Berry_HK> hehe
[10:38] <Berry_HK> load average... it is either doing nothing or giga-stuffed with high performance hardware
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[10:38] <Berry_HK> ;-)
[10:39] <Berry_HK> going for breaklunch
[10:39] <Berry_HK> later dudes
[10:39] <Berry_HK> (i knew that the pi would come in handy aftera all)
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[10:40] <saivert> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuYLTudcOaM&t=2m8s so the pi only draws 0.37 A at most during boot?
[10:41] <saivert> eLinux wiki says it needs a power supply capable of delivering at least 0.7 A
[10:42] <Criten> It can probably peak up to that
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> budet 300mA for 2 USB devices and add that to the 370mA during boot and it's just under 700mA.
[10:42] <Criten> at it's extreme
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> that's why you need a 700mA PSU
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[10:42] <saivert> Seems to be hard finding electronics that draws very little power. Together with a mobile broadband modem and a network IP camera this is close to 2A. And most equipment is rated 2A power supply anyways even if they use much less.
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> the Pi is drawing less power than my old 1MHz Apple II ...
[10:43] <chithead> you can undervolt the cpu so it draws less power
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> and runs slower... or less reliably...
[10:43] <saivert> Even the Intel Atom setup I had before drew way too much power. Would deplete the battery in a very short time
[10:44] <chithead> that you can overclock the pi to 900 mhz without overvolting can tell you a bit about the headroom
[10:45] <Criten> gordonDrogon: adding that to wiringserial.c doesnt seem to clear it
[10:45] <Fleck> whats the safe arm_freq value?
[10:46] <Criten> gordonDrogon: the tcsetattr (fd, TCSANOW | TCSAFLUSH, &options) ;
[10:47] <watchd0g> i am builting a DC power supply for my raspberry pi model B
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[10:48] <watchd0g> is that 1,5A too much for using with keyboard + bluetooth + hdmi, etc?
[10:48] <Criten> to much?
[10:48] <Criten> It will only draw what it needs.
[10:48] <watchd0g> i know
[10:49] <Criten> You mean overkill?
[10:49] <watchd0g> but i dont know how much it comsums with all I/O devices online
[10:49] <watchd0g> like keyboard, hdmi output, etc
[10:49] <Criten> 1.5a will probably be fine
[10:50] <Fleck> 1.5A is ok i think, important is stability, stable 5V output is good!
[10:50] <watchd0g> thank god :F
[10:50] <Criten> I have mine powering an arduino and leds, keyboard, mouse, hdmi output... all on a 1A phone charger
[10:51] <Fleck> yeah, same here, HTC charger :D
[10:51] <Fleck> 1A
[10:51] <Criten> Yup. haha
[10:51] * [SLB] joins the htc chargers crowd
[10:51] <watchd0g> for my arduino i have 1A dc supply too :f
[10:51] <Fleck> anyone using smb share to play mkv files from smb share?
[10:51] <Criten> Fleck: I was earlier
[10:52] <Fleck> Criten aand?
[10:52] <Criten> Worked fine
[10:52] <Fleck> srsly?
[10:52] <Criten> except with my 12gb inception rip haha
[10:52] <Fleck> mine freezes constantly
[10:52] <Criten> could do all my 720p files fine
[10:52] <Criten> Uhh..
[10:52] <Criten> what media player?
[10:52] <Fleck> xbmc
[10:52] <Criten> hmm
[10:52] <Fleck> what did you use?
[10:52] <Criten> xbmc on raspbmc
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[10:53] <Fleck> i have tried smb, nfs and http - all freezes
[10:53] <Criten> weird
[10:53] <Fleck> Criten and smb server was? Linux? Windows?
[10:53] <Criten> How big is the file?
[10:53] <Criten> Windows
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[10:53] <Fleck> ohh, maybe this is the problem!
[10:53] <Criten> Possibly...
[10:53] <Fleck> ill have to try with windows
[10:53] <Criten> It worked fine for me for the most part
[10:53] <f0x90> bircoe: i was looking for an alternative to the lapdock
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[10:53] <Criten> Make sure they are h246 or the other thing
[10:54] <Fleck> Criten 720p freezes... 4GB, 2GB 11GB... doesnt matter
[10:54] <Fleck> Criten using the same file - 11GB on USB flash - works great! :(
[10:54] <Criten> Hmm
[10:54] <Criten> that is weird
[10:54] <Criten> so it isn't the codec
[10:54] <Criten> it's obviously the stream
[10:54] <f0x90> bircoe: that mk802 is a little limited don't you think
[10:55] <watchd0g> streaming hd video is always risky, i guess :F
[10:55] <Fleck> Criten what res display did you have? i dont have full hd screen
[10:55] <Criten> Fleck: 1080
[10:55] <chithead> f0x90: what can it not do?
[10:56] <Fleck> maybe this is a additional weight on raspi?
[10:56] <Criten> It's possibly...
[10:56] <Criten> possible
[10:56] <Criten> buttt
[10:56] <f0x90> im thinking im going to go with THIS http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/577336805-Free-shipping-Android-4-0-Mele-A2000-TV-Box-HTPC-ARM-Cortex-A8-Allwinner-A10-1GHz-wholesalers.html
[10:56] <Criten> I don't think that's the problem if you can run it fine localy.
[10:57] <Criten> Fleck: Do you have allot of other stuff going on in your network?
[10:57] <Fleck> nope :D
[10:57] <Criten> Fleck: It's wired? not wireless?
[10:57] <Fleck> wired
[10:57] <Criten> Ya stumped me. haha
[10:57] <f0x90> just one usb port man
[10:57] <Fleck> and gigabit, only raspi 100Mbps
[10:58] <Criten> Yea weird... try it off a windows share I guess. Only thing i can think of
[10:58] <f0x90> the a2000 has its own power source, 2 usb (3 if you count the uart interface inside) rca, vga, AND hdmi out
[10:59] <f0x90> that way you don't have to worry about usb hubs, power sources n shit, plug its got a 1.2 and 512mb
[10:59] <Criten> Goodnight guys, I'm heading to bed.
[10:59] <f0x90> Criten:
[10:59] <f0x90> you ever watch farscape?
[10:59] <Criten> Only a few..
[10:59] <f0x90> oh man this one has a 3 yr warranty
[11:00] <f0x90> i hope i lose that ebay big
[11:00] <f0x90> bid
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[11:00] <Fleck> Criten i was thinking - network uses more CPU then local + nonfull hd display (needs to shrink) ... sums up and freezes :D
[11:01] <bircoe> f0x90, don't forget SATA
[11:01] <Fleck> ok ill try full HD screen...
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[11:02] <f0x90> yeah!
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[11:02] <f0x90> throw a 5$ chinese bluetooth adapter in one port
[11:02] <f0x90> wireless n in the other
[11:03] <f0x90> http://sourceforge.net/projects/pwnpi/ and this
[11:08] <saivert> hmm.. Gertboard out huh..
[11:15] <saivert> free shipping form China now?
[11:16] <saivert> *from. China Post Air Parcel. but it may take anywhere from 15-34 days
[11:18] <Borgso> Ordered one with DHL
[11:19] <saivert> the A2000 ?
[11:19] <saivert> I have never heard about alibaba or aliexpress before. Usually I buy from eBay
[11:19] <saivert> or Amazon.com
[11:20] <Borgso> no, the gertboard..
[11:20] <Borgso> Ordered a MK802II from aliexpress also :P
[11:21] <saivert> oh I saw DHL shipped the A2000 as well
[11:21] <saivert> so I guessed..
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[11:21] <Borgso> yeah, maybe i forgot wrong what i ordered with DHL.. been shopping alot stuff latly ;)
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[11:24] <saivert> lol they still call it t-flash or transflash. learn to microSD people
[11:25] <saivert> there are so many products from china you can get crazy.
[11:26] <Borgso> yeah, have been going crazy :P Got 7RPis, 2WDTVLive, Gertboard, MK802II. Ordered some poweres and 4.2"LCD from DX.com
[11:27] <Borgso> Too bad RPI doesnt have MPEG2 codec
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[11:32] <chithead> it has, just the firmware blob does not allow you to use it
[11:33] <Borgso> i know. doesnt help when i wanna watch my old DvDr "backups"
[11:34] <Gallomimia> hey so i tried compiling quake3 like the guide says on the rasp pi wiki (under raspbian) and i get some weird error that's not documented on any of the troubleshooting guides. anyone seen this problem?
[11:35] <sam> maybe you could at least paste the "weird error" on some pastebin site
[11:37] <bircoe> how would we know unless we knew what the error was?
[11:37] <sam> speaking about quake3, did anyone really get it to run at 60fps? I only get about 20 to 30
[11:42] <Gallomimia> well, having someone who even cares about q3 on a rpi is important
[11:43] <nid0> knowing what the "wierd error" is is even more important
[11:43] <Fleck> Criten tried 11GB file on fullhd tv - works ok with smb/nfs, but, 4GB 720p mkv - doesnt - few files tried - freezes...
[11:44] <Gallomimia> you don't understand.... i tried it days ago and haven't had a chance to ask anyone. i'm not going to go reproduce the error until i know that someone's going to respond to my inquiry
[11:44] <chithead> mkv is only the container format, doesn't say anything about the codec
[11:44] <Tachyon`> Gallomimia, people CAN'T respond
[11:45] <Tachyon`> until you give more information
[11:45] <Gallomimia> uh.... they did.
[11:45] <Gallomimia> where were you?
[11:45] <Tachyon`> here but I just lot interest in speaking to you and your attitude, heh
[11:45] <Tachyon`> lost
[11:45] <Gallomimia> here we are exploring our raspberry pi's and you want to give lessons in how to use irc?
[11:46] <Borgso> Its general lesson on how to ask about a problem...
[11:47] <Borgso> Your problem can be related to alot, but if you dont proved what the error said we can just speculate about what was causing it
[11:47] <Gallomimia> well thanks. i asked what i wanted to ask, and got the answer i wanted too. all of you trying to educate me would be better off pounding sand. not trying to offend you but that's just a fact. now, i will go fetch the weird error everyone has their panties bunched up over, and maybe we can make some progress?
[11:47] <Gallomimia> if you read up, did i ask people to speculate about the problem?
[11:47] <Gallomimia> did i ask for help in fixing the problem?
[11:47] <nid0> yes, you did
[11:47] <Gallomimia> no. i did not.
[11:48] <Gallomimia> read it again
[11:48] <nid0> you asked us if we'd seen an error you didnt give us.
[11:48] <nid0> thats guessing, aka speculation
[11:48] <Gallomimia> ah right. well, i should have asked if anyone's had experience compiling q3.... still in preamble
[11:48] <Gallomimia> now please stop bothering me till i can dig up the error
[11:48] <bertrik> pff, we're sorry for trying to help you ...
[11:50] <Exposure> lol
[11:50] <Gallomimia> well, y'all tried to teach me a lesson. now you've learned a lesson too. i phrased my initial question wrong. y'all mistook it for the final question
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[11:55] <[SLB]> hm how do i set the default desktop environment in debian?
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[11:58] <Gallomimia> pretty sure my problem is related to trying to build in a directory used for installed a prebuilt
[11:59] <Gallomimia> at any rate i'd best try that before pestering you guys more. especially with an attitude born from being awake hacking at 3am
[11:59] <Gallomimia> what default do you want to change [slb]?
[11:59] <[SLB]> to twm or windowmaker
[11:59] <[SLB]> instead of lxde
[12:00] <TheBrayn> awesome!
[12:00] <[SLB]> i think it's in /etc/X11/default-display-manager ?
[12:00] <Gallomimia> damn. i can't remember. but i do know there's a robot in #debian channel that'll tell you. i also forget how to use said robot :(
[12:02] <chithead> most robots reply if you query them with "help"
[12:03] <[SLB]> oh eheh thanks
[12:03] <[SLB]> just googling a bit, in fedora i use switchdesk that sets it up for me
[12:06] <Gallomimia> in my experience the #debian and the #ubuntu channels are way more busy than this one. probably can answer that in there
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[12:06] <[SLB]> thanks :)
[12:06] <TheBrayn> [SLB]: what exactly do you want to do?
[12:07] <TheBrayn> ah the default de
[12:07] <[SLB]> yes, when i launch startx i want to start either twm or windowmaker
[12:07] <TheBrayn> you should use your ~/.xinitrc for this
[12:08] <[SLB]> ah okies, nice just got there
[12:08] <[SLB]> and put exec wmaker in it i guess?
[12:08] <TheBrayn> you can read $1 in your .xinitrc
[12:09] <TheBrayn> to make it run wmaker if you execute "startx wmmaker"
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[12:10] <[SLB]> ah okies thanks
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[12:13] <Lars--> coolio
[12:13] <trijntje> finally got my Raspbeery Pi in the mail today! It's tiny
[12:13] <Lars--> yeah, got mine last nigh
[12:14] <Lars--> using irssi from it now
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[12:14] <clever> got mine yesterday afternoon, only issue so far is no hdmi audio, and the keyboard randomly drops events
[12:15] <virunga> what will you do with it?
[12:15] <virunga> what's your projects?
[12:16] <clever> i'm thinking mostly for tv viewing and other misc things
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[12:16] <trijntje> irc, network folder, torrent server, play audio from it, backup to extrnal HD is what I've got planned for now ;)
[12:16] <Lars--> dont know what Im gonna do
[12:17] <clever> i have ~3tb of storage spread over the house in various systems
[12:17] <Exposure> any news on the camera module?
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[12:18] <Khoth> jamesh says: 'Going to be a month or two or more I expect - actual work is very busy* for the whole camera team at the moment, and a change to the requirements (in a very good way!) means more code needs to be written.'
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[12:19] <Exposure> thanks
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[12:43] <Gallomimia> gratz you guys who got your pi recently
[12:43] <Gallomimia> had mine a week
[12:43] <Gallomimia> trying to compile q3 for the pi: http://pastebin.com/GKzV7a0U
[12:43] <Gallomimia> might be a firmware update issue :/
[12:44] <reider59> waiting for my second one, postie been so it looks like Monday now
[12:44] <Gallomimia> whoa. what country are you in that it's still friday for you?
[12:44] <reider59> Saturday.....
[12:44] <Gallomimia> whoa. what country are you in where the government workers work on saturday?
[12:45] <reider59> UK
[12:45] <Gallomimia> no wonder they had that riot last year
[12:45] <lee> hello all, how do I troubleshoot load average issues and general sluggishness? I am running the raspibian release, apt-get updated to the latest packages, my load avg hovers around 3 when doing nothing, nothing showing in top that indicates it's especially busy
[12:45] <reider59> riot was nothing to do with that
[12:45] <lee> the postal service is not government
[12:45] <Gallomimia> i know what it was to do with....
[12:45] <Gallomimia> it isn't!?
[12:46] <Gallomimia> here it is. and no bloody mail on saturdays
[12:46] <trijntje> where can I find information on the meaning of the leds on the RPi? My new one doesnt seem to boot and hangs with red led on
[12:46] <Gallomimia> red means power
[12:46] <Gallomimia> the one to the side of that is access for the SD card
[12:46] <Gallomimia> and the other 3 are to do with the LAN port
[12:46] <reider59> In distribution we worked any 5 days from 7 including weekends. The price people pay for wanting shops open long hours and 7 days a week. someone has to do it
[12:46] <Gallomimia> one light? sd card not being read
[12:46] <netman87> hmm damn its hard to get some cheap ipod/iphones
[12:47] <netman87> did get one yesterday for 20eur
[12:47] <netman87> i mean broken ones
[12:47] <netman87> for spare parts or repairing
[12:47] <netman87> need few more. did sell my raspberry pi as i dont see use for it until it have Xorg drivers
[12:48] <bircoe> 5 Status LEDs[5][6][7][8]:
[12:48] <bircoe> D5(Green) - OK - SDCard Access (via GPIO16)
[12:48] <bircoe> D6(Red) - PWR - 3.3 V Power
[12:48] <bircoe> D7(Green) - FDX - Full Duplex (LAN) (Model B)
[12:48] <bircoe> D8(Green) - LNK - Link/Activity (LAN) (Model B)
[12:48] <bircoe> D9(Yellow) - 10M - 10/100Mbit (LAN) (Model B)
[12:48] <netman87> i may just buy beagle or panda instead
[12:48] <Khoth> Gallomimia: Your CFLAGS seem to be missing the include path for GLES. You want something like -I/opt/vc/include I think
[12:48] <Gallomimia> thanks khoth. thought i had all that set up properly
[12:49] <Khoth> (disclaimer: I've never tried to build quake. I'm using some wacko old build rather than raspian)
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[12:49] <trijntje> Gallomimia: thanks, I'm trying another SD card now
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[12:50] <Gallomimia> does your sd card work when you flash it with an image?
[12:50] <bertrik> trijntje, there a nice raspberry pi wiki over at elinux.org, see for example http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware
[12:51] <trijntje> Gallomimia: how can I check that?
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[12:52] <Gallomimia> trijntje: if you don't put an image on your sd card, of COURSE it won't boot the pi
[12:53] <marto> Hi, has anyone managed to get jackd to work?
[12:53] <Gallomimia> what's jackd?
[12:53] <trijntje> well, of COURSE I put the image on the sd card before tyring to boot
[12:53] <Gallomimia> okay, so the image is there. can you do an md5 checksum on the card and see if it's right?
[12:53] <Gallomimia> ie: does the computer you flashed it with read it back properly
[12:54] <marto> jackd - JACK audio connection kit sound server
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[12:54] <Gallomimia> hm. someone have a link to the complicated md5 commands for the image flashing business?
[12:55] <Gallomimia> marto: i now know exactly the same amount about jackd as before you joined the server
[12:56] <Gallomimia> looks rather useful
[12:56] <Gallomimia> almost like pipe operators in the shell but for audio?
[12:57] <marto> Gallomimia, yeah, it's fairly standard for audio work on linux
[12:58] <marto> it seems to be having issues with the bcm audio driver
[12:58] <Gallomimia> aw that sucks
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[12:58] <Gallomimia> wish i was more versed in driver programming. they're having a few, and properly working sound is a passion of mine
[12:59] <Gallomimia> especially since i have some of the hardware they're having issues with
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[12:59] <Fleck> whats the fastest raspi desktop OS?
[12:59] <marto> I may take a look at it later, seems I'm not the only one finding this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5787
[13:00] <trijntje> Gallomimia: do you know how I can checksum the sd card? I cant read the whole thing (16G) or I'll get a different checksum
[13:01] <Gallomimia> that's right. there's a way to make it trim using the pipe operator
[13:02] <Gallomimia> it's on the how to flash my rasbian image on to my sd card tutorial webpage
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> well that was an early brunch or a late breakfast... Hm.
[13:03] <Gallomimia> there you go: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[13:03] <bertrik> trijntje, the most common issue with raspberry pi seems to be power supply problems, are you sure you have a solid power supply?
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[13:05] <trijntje> bertrik: No, i'm still trying to narrow it down. I'm using a blackberry micro-usb as power suplpy atm.
[13:05] <trijntje> and I dont have a voltmeter/thingy to measure it
[13:06] <Khoth> Do you happen to know anyone IRL with a known-workin pi to mix/match accessories on?
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> Khoth, what sort of accessories?
[13:07] <Gallomimia> sd cards psu's cords, boards
[13:07] <Gallomimia> trijntje: sorry i can't seem to find how to do a checksum on an imaged card
[13:08] <Gallomimia> it's something like dd if=/dev/thesdcard > md5check
[13:08] <Gallomimia> but you need a few very specific options or it will read it as a 16g card and you won't get the same sum
[13:08] <trijntje> me neither, I'm writing the image to a class4 sd card now, maybe that will help
[13:11] <Gallomimia> hopefully
[13:11] <Gallomimia> w
[13:11] <Gallomimia> what class is the other?
[13:12] <Gallomimia> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[13:12] <trijntje> 10, I've heard they can have some troubles
[13:13] <booyaa> greets
[13:13] <trijntje> its a 16G Adata class 10, so it *should* work
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[13:14] <Gallomimia> yeah
[13:14] <Gallomimia> and the c4?
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[13:17] <trijntje> can't check now, it's in the reader of my pc atm
[13:19] <trijntje> i'll check when it's done
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[13:27] <Gallomimia> alright. i looked at a few brandnames and almost got stuck with a card that wouldn't work for me since it was an obscure model. one with an adapter to microSD included
[13:27] <saivert> microSD should work just fine with an adapter. It is electrically the same
[13:27] <trijntje> Emtec 4G class 4, it's not on the wiki for working or broken
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[13:29] <saivert> Does the speed of the SD media matter much?
[13:29] <saivert> I read someone who used the Raspberry Pi with XBMC needed fast SD media to make the user interface more snappy
[13:30] <saivert> The Raspberry Pi doesn't have much RAM so it has to read from SD a lot
[13:31] <trijntje> damn, the sha1 on the .img file does not match.. Even though I downloaded it via torrent
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[13:33] <saivert> But I need to configure my Linux to be more resilient when it comes to power loss. I just had to reformat and reimage the SD card because it the Pi refused to boot.
[13:33] <saivert> The Pi has to handle sudden power loss. so it must not have pending writes
[13:34] <saivert> I can't hook up a UPS to it. The only power source is a 12V battery via a car adapter and it gets charged using a solar panel (with little sun most of the year)
[13:35] <trijntje> nevermind, the hash on the site is for the img.zip, not the .img
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[13:36] <GabrialDestruir> Curious, is there any actual harm at running a Model B on just a regular USB port from a PC or whatever?
[13:36] <nid0> no
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> no - I do it frequently.
[13:37] <mjr> Yeah no if the port just supplies good enough power.
[13:37] <mjr> (which you can detect by things working)
[13:37] <nid0> i've had 2 running from frontpanel ports on my workstation for weeks. you'll only have problems if 1) the host ports stick to spec and only serve up 500mA (most will supply more) and 2) if you have usb devices plugged into the pi
[13:37] <saivert> http://meld.org/discussion/general-discussion/power-outage-tolerance
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> last night I demo'd a PI connected to a laptop - got over an hour out of the battery before I plugged it in :)
[13:37] <GabrialDestruir> Cause everytime I look around at information on the rPi there's always stuff saying that the rPi absolutely needs 700mA
[13:37] <nid0> with nothing plugged into the pi itll draw less than 500mA anyway and so will be in spec of any usb port
[13:38] <nid0> GabrialDestruir: 700mA is the most it needs
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> the 700mA is 300mA for the 2 x USB ports + up to 400mA for the rest of the board.
[13:38] <nid0> assuming ethernet + both usb ports are in use and drawing their full amount
[13:38] <bircoe> Just don't expect it to be able to power flash drives or hard drives
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> what's intersting is that the 3.3v supply is run pretty close to its limits, so add-on boards are now using their own 3.3v supply (taken from the gpio's 5V supply)
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[13:39] <gordonDrogon> although the GPIO's 5V supply is downstream of the 700mA polyfuse on the usb input.
[13:40] <GabrialDestruir> I've been running both mine off the ports of a DirecTV server, and they've been working fine ethernet and a small wireless dongle for keyboard/mouse, but it just seems odd that whenever I look around on the web people talk as if 700mA is the minimum required.
[13:41] <bircoe> Just a theory right, if you had a 2.5A supply for the Pi, could you remove the USB 140ma fuses and connect the power lines of the USB ports directly to the 5v rail?
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[13:41] <gordonDrogon> probably because the lower-end USB chargers are really bad at current regulation...
[13:41] <nid0> people just see the foundation's 700mA quoted figure and read it wrong
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> so if you get a better quality one, they're often 700mA minimum.
[13:41] <bircoe> <y theory is this would allow devices that require more than 140ma to work correctly
[13:41] <nid0> the faq on the raspberrypi site is clear that 700mA is the requirement *if* the usb ports on the pi are in use
[13:41] <Fleck> gordonDrogon whats polyfuse?
[13:42] <bircoe> It's a fuse that reset itself...
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> Fleck, a self-resetting fuse. works on heat .
[13:42] <bircoe> rather the just blowing and needing replacing
[13:43] <GabrialDestruir> Basically it's more like a "breaker" than a fuse, in that a breaker tends to be reusable when they blow, and a fuse tends to need replacement >.>
[13:43] <Fleck> so i can connect 500mA device to raspi USB - polyfuse will disconnect, then reset itself w/o doing damage to raspi?
[13:43] <bircoe> correct
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> polymeric positive temperature coefficient device
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> apparently.
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[13:44] <Fleck> good to know, thx for info gordonDrogon, bircoe!
[13:44] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: So there is a limit you can draw from the RPi?
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[13:44] <gordonDrogon> overall, the limit is 700mA
[13:44] <Crenn-NAS> On the GPIO header I mean
[13:44] <bircoe> 140ma via the USB ports
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> the USB ports each have a 140mA polyfuse though.
[13:44] <Crenn-NAS> Interesting
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> via the gpio, the 3.3 doesn't have much 'spare' - I'm told it's under 100mA.
[13:45] <bircoe> Now... I
[13:45] <bircoe> crap
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> the 5.5 has whatever is left over that the USB isn't using.
[13:45] <Crenn-NAS> So basically if you're using a power adapter that supplies more than 700mA, it's a bit of a waste ;P
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> so up to 300mA ish ...
[13:46] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: 40mA if I recall if how much it has 'left over'
[13:46] <bircoe> why is it a waste?
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> it's a waste yes, but it will probably be better able to keep supplying 700mA when some rated just to 700mA might struggle when at their limit.
[13:46] <bircoe> driving electronics at their limits isn't the best practice.
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> I use a 2A PSU into a powered hub and frequenrly power 2 Pi's off it - however I'm not a heavy USB user - only a miniuature keyboard and mouse...
[13:47] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: I'm more thinking of a mobile charger which can do upto 850mA
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, that figure does ring a bell - hence why some boards have their own 3.3 regulator - the Gertboard and the mini piio proto boards I've seen so-far.
[13:47] <Crenn-NAS> Either way, going to be getting a powered USB hub for the future
[13:47] <bircoe> if you have a device that draws exactly 500ma you want a supply atleast 25% bigger than that to cover for spikes etc.
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, I'm using a Jawbone charger which is rated at 700mA.
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> my HTC charger with the same rating works OK too.
[13:48] <bircoe> high end Nokia chargers are a good source of power, I have one here from a N900 that is 1200ma...
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> as do PC's, Laptops, etc. :)
[13:48] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Yeah, when I plugged the Maple Mini into the RPi, I didn't have to worry about the 3.3V rail on the RPi
[13:48] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: I'm using an Asus Transformer charger
[13:48] <Crenn-NAS> 2A rated xD
[13:49] <bircoe> I had a spare 2.5A 5vsupply in my junk box that I chopped and soldered a MicroUSB plug onto, works a treat.
[13:49] <trijntje> isn't it dangerous to put in more? Isn't 2A almost 3x the reccomended amount?
[13:49] <Crenn-NAS> My phone charger has 850mA
[13:49] <bircoe> no
[13:49] <bircoe> current doesn't work liek that
[13:49] <bircoe> voltage yes
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> I suspect I may just have been lucky, or that I don't really push the USB at all - I've really not seen any PSU issues myself over 3 Pi's though - but there are many who do seem to have issues - I'm putting it down to sub-optimal chargers, or overloading the USB ...
[13:49] <bircoe> but in terms of current a device will only draw what it needs
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[13:50] <bircoe> if you have a 2A supply for a device that only wants 500ma it will only draw 500ma, the rest is head room
[13:50] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder what the smallest setup for a solar panel could be... also an interesting idea for a project setting it up in a pelican case type thing, with a built in battery, keyboard and display.
[13:50] <trijntje> bircoe: ah ok, thanks. I dont know anything about hardware related stuf :P
[13:51] <bircoe> gordonDrogon, I agree, I can see that allot of people would have purchased the cheapest MicroUSB chargers they could... soem of this ultra cheap chinesse stuff is just garbage.
[13:51] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: I have powered this RPi from my laptop, a 850mA mobile charger and the current Asus transformer charger
[13:51] <Crenn-NAS> trijntje: Never too late to start learning :D
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> I did once work with a computer that had an auto-sensing power supply with a negative input imedance - input voltage goes down, input current goes up. Worked a treat in the UK at 230 volts, and on the lab transformers to 110v - then we took it to the US and experiences something called a "brown out" which doesn't happen in the UK - the input voltage dropped to about 70V, the current doubled and melted all the wires...
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[13:52] <Crenn-NAS> Ouch!
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[13:52] <bircoe> GabrialDestruir, if you're going to be running it around the clock I'd be wanting a solar panel that is atleast twice the current you're going to be pulling from it, to count for cloudy days and less than optimum light...
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> at least 4x if from a solar panel - to get it to charge a battery.
[13:53] <bircoe> assumign he wants to charge a battery
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[13:53] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: So how is the gertboard?
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> Gertboard is fine!
[13:53] <Crenn-NAS> bircoe: Most places don't have sun 24/7
[13:53] <Crenn-NAS> Some do though!
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> but I've had mine for about 2 months now...
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> :)
[13:53] <bircoe> Crenn-NAS, your kidding right?
[13:54] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: I'm still debating on whether to get one or not
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> the north/south poles will get 24/7 sun during their summer...
[13:54] <Crenn-NAS> bircoe: No
[13:54] <bircoe> well on that note... this conversation si heading down hill so I'm going to bed.
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, if you're already building stuff on the PI, I might be tempted to not bother, however...
[13:54] <trijntje> finished writing the img to another sd card, lets try again!
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> it does have a few handy things attached to it.
[13:55] <GabrialDestruir> We have almost constant sun except for evenings and the occasional storms.
[13:55] <Crenn-NAS> bircoe: I prefer to think the conversation is going on a tangent, but good night regardless
[13:56] <trijntje> aha, flashing green light
[13:56] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Which things are handy?
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> phone. brb.
[13:57] <Crenn-NAS> kk
[13:58] <Gallomimia> ooooooh guide for how to make your own powersupply for the rasppi
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[13:58] <trijntje> awsome, I can connect via ssh :D
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[13:59] <Gallomimia> yeah you can
[13:59] <Gallomimia> did the class 4 work fine?
[14:00] <Crenn-NAS> trijntje: Congrats
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[14:00] <trijntje> yeah, seems to be working fine
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> sorry. an aged aunt has died and I'm rallying all the old relatives...
[14:00] <Crenn-NAS> That reminds me.... I should get my 2nd RPi out of the cupboard
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, it has easy access stuff like the motor contorller and 6 darlington drivers.
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> as well as a dozen LEDs...
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> then there's the Atmega on-board too!
[14:00] <GabrialDestruir> The chargers for the nook e-inks seem to work fine for the rPi, I don't think they give out more than an 500mA though.
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> and a proper D/A convertor...
[14:01] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: I'm happy with using a STM32F103 with the RPi ;D
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/gert.png
[14:01] <Crenn-NAS> So far there isn't that isn't capturing my interest
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> that's one of the analog outs connected to an analog in, feeding to the 2nd analog out ...
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[14:01] <gordonDrogon> just a demo of it, really.
[14:02] <Crenn-NAS> Not helped by the AUS $62.70 price tag
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[14:02] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's ?30 in the UK.
[14:02] <Gallomimia> oooooh. what is that from gordonDrogon ??
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> so more than the Pi!
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> Gallomimia, the scope image?
[14:02] <Gallomimia> yeah
[14:03] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: I know, however I see it as a 'complete' package since tutorials are already available for it
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[14:03] <gordonDrogon> Gallomimia, see above - generated from a program running on hte Pi outputting to the D/A on the Gertboard, and feeding back in.
[14:03] <Crenn-NAS> Gallomimia: The gertboard
[14:03] <Gallomimia> seriously? you can make an osi scope out of that????
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, yea, I'm looking to do some turotials and software for it.
[14:03] <Crenn-NAS> Gallomimia: A very poor man one ;P
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> Gallomimia, no - I used a separate scope to capture that trace!
[14:04] <Gallomimia> oh that's boring then :(
[14:04] <Gallomimia> here i am thinking i had half of the equipment needed to make something that can scope
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> although 'scope is somewhat stretching it - it's a "DSQ Quad" ... cheap and cheerfull.
[14:04] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: But you can use it as a scope, with the ADC chip ;P
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> you can use an arduino as a scope capture device - it's good for audio frequencies.
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[14:05] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, sure - the sample rate would be good for audio, but the Pi's timing is somewhat challenging.
[14:05] <Crenn-NAS> I wanted one of those DSO Quads.... good thing I waited for what I got instead :D
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, what did you get?
[14:05] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: ADC doesn't have a interrupt pin?
[14:05] <clever> gordonDrogon: is that due to the pi or the kernel (linux) though?
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, no interrupt - it's on the SPI bus.
[14:05] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: The 'bog' standard Rigol DS1052E
[14:06] <clever> Crenn-NAS: i think it can interupt on the gpio, so you could have a normal analog level trigger setup
[14:06] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: I know, just half of the SPI devices I have, have an additional pin to trigger interrupts
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> yes, you could with extra hardware to create the triffer.
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> *trigger
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> well - given that SPI is synchronous, you could (re) write the kernel driver to either sample it at a given rate, or adjust the clock for the sample rate...
[14:07] <clever> i sometimes use the external trigger input for debuging with microcontrolers, just manualy wiggle the trigger pin from the source code
[14:07] <clever> so it triggers at a known point in the code
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> I could probably generate a reasonable accurate 40KHz sample from the Pi, but there would be a bit of jitter in it.
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[14:08] <gordonDrogon> clever, yea, if the scope support a one-shot type mode too..
[14:08] <clever> gordonDrogon: what if you didnt use linux as the kernel?
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> clever, you have a lot of software to write :)
[14:08] <clever> id think the jitter is purely due to the scheduler
[14:08] <clever> a comprimise would be to just have the linux kernel hard-lock in a loop to get one sample
[14:09] <clever> then return control when its done
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> clever, it's also not the best platform even without Linux as from what I gather, the GPU stops the ARM from time to time to refresh the video RAM and so some other "stuff"..
[14:09] <clever> gordonDrogon: the c64 had the same problem
[14:09] <clever> gordonDrogon: the solution was to disable the gpu chip when accessing the tape drive
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> I think the people trying to use the Pi as a logic analyser were facing some of these issues - even turning interrupts off.
[14:10] <clever> thats why the screen always blanked out when loading from the tape drive
[14:10] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: If I wanted to do that, I'd use an external MCU as the capturer ;P
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> I think the Pi makes a great little Linux platform with a good amount of IO, but it's not quite a dedicated real-time controller. It can come close and demonstrate the principles, but there are better solutions.
[14:11] <clever> Crenn-NAS: yeah, that would be a much better idea, an avr logging to maybe a 20 or 30kb sram chip
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, exactly. even the DSO Quad has an FPGA that does the sampling IIRC.
[14:11] <clever> Crenn-NAS: dump over spi when you get a sample, then repeat
[14:11] <Crenn-NAS> clever: Depending on the sample rate, dump over SPI after x samples
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> even serial, although it adds a bit of latency.
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[14:11] <clever> Crenn-NAS: and depending on the time between capture and sample, you could use dram without refresh
[14:12] <clever> as long as you are within the spec of how long the data lasts
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> the hard part on the Pi is stalling the GPU :)
[14:12] <Crenn-NAS> I plan on trying out a Maple Mini as a logic analyser at some point
[14:13] <clever> gordonDrogon: if the avr has a decent enough buffer, you can cover up the jitter caused by linux and the gpu fighting over ram
[14:13] <Gallomimia> slightly off topic, but what's the difference between a zener diode and a transil diode? (aka transient voltage suppression diode)
[14:14] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: How long will the ARM be stopped for ;P
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> clever, sure - only 2K on the 328 though.
[14:15] <clever> gordonDrogon: yeah, you would need an external sram or dram
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> clever, yea - serial eeproms/ram are ok. they're used on the fignition board! but I'm thinking of the Gertboard...
[14:16] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: 20K in the STM32F103 ;P
[14:16] <madscot> Hi, can anyone explain why I can connect to my Pi via Bonjor with windows .... but I can't with OSX. I missing something obvious....
[14:16] <Crenn-NAS> Although no DIP packages
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> actually, if I were to patch the SPI on the ATmega to the SPI on the Pi, it might make for a good capture mechanism.. So the ATmega can act as effectively a fifo to the Pi to take up any slack/jitter...
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> for a school experiment at audio frequencies it might just be fine.
[14:17] <clever> gordonDrogon: yeah, just calculate 20kb fifo / (samplerate*bits per sample) and youll know how much jitter the pi can have
[14:17] <Gallomimia> madscot what programs are you trying to connect with?
[14:18] <Gallomimia> i have a mac and a rpi here on one network i can try stuff....
[14:18] <clever> gordonDrogon: and the trigger can be implemented in software on the avr
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> maybe tomorrow :)
[14:18] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: I remember helping someone making a program to use a ATMega88 as a Port IO expander, pretty simple
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> clever, actually, I suspect the Pi might be better placed to dynamically analyse the data to work out the trigger point, etc.
[14:18] <madscot> just trying to vnc and ssh ... I can't ping it from my mac.... but pinging from the same network on a windows box works fine
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[14:18] <clever> gordonDrogon: something else i was thinking about, programing the avr
[14:19] <madscot> it's more of an annoyance more than anything
[14:19] <clever> gordonDrogon: if you put the avr reset line on a pi GPIO, you can enter programming mode
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> clever, on the Gertboard?
[14:19] <clever> gordonDrogon: you program the avr over the SPI pins, and enable programing mode by holding reset active
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> clever, start here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gertboard/
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[14:19] <Crenn-NAS> clever: If I recall, that is how it's done
[14:19] <Crenn-NAS> As well as USART
[14:20] <clever> was just thinking about general purpose, an avr breakout board connected to the pi, so you can basicaly reflash the co-processor from the master
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> hard to use the serial on the Gertboard due to it running at 12MHz.
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> so you need a custom bootloader - I went through all of this about 2 months back when I first got the gertboard - that was what I got it for, to work out how to program the ATmega on it...
[14:20] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: What's wrong with that? Apart from the overclocking
[14:20] <madscot> @Gallo it's as if Bonjour does not see it on the mac. pinging raspberrypi.local resolves nothing
[14:21] <clever> gordonDrogon: i was thinking more along the lines of no bootloader, just directly using the ISP link
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, the baud rate calculation needs adjusting for the clock frequency, so it would need buning a custom bootloader.
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[14:21] <gordonDrogon> clever, what what I do.
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> clever, full instructions on my site, incuding patched versions of avrdude.
[14:21] <clever> ah, nice
[14:22] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: If you're using the Arduino bootloader, you'd also need to adjust some other values as well ;P
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> I started with modifying a serial bootloader for it, but we were then faced with the issue of burning it into the ATmegas... and I didn't fancy sitting down and doing 1000 in a batch!
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> I had it working with the serial bootloader via the Pi's on-board serial. It's connected directly to the ATmega (via jumpers)
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> so just one gpio to reset the ATmega and off it went.
[14:23] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Out of curiousity, do you know where the gertboard kits are being put together? China again?
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> hackity hack in the Arduino IDE though to make it see /dev/ttyAMA0
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[14:23] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, it's a kit of compoments for self-assembly...
[14:24] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: And kits have to be put together from boxes of other components ;P
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, I've no idea where Farnell are sourding them from - Gert supplied them with the bare PCBs.
[14:24] <Crenn-NAS> Ah ok
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> and a BoM - Farnell then do the component picking - presumably from their stocks...
[14:24] <Crenn-NAS> Typing is suddenly harder.... kitten on the desk
[14:24] <Crenn-NAS> Ah ok
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> heh... Going for a coffee.. back inna tick. then need to phone another old relative.
[14:25] <loadbang> Hello all.
[14:25] <Crenn-NAS> kk
[14:25] <Crenn-NAS> Might try to get my 2nd Pi running
[14:26] <reider59> I'd like to get my second one running too
[14:26] <reider59> shame it hasn't arrived yet
[14:27] <loadbang> Just got my RPi. Waited since day one from RS, ordered from Farnell it took 3 days. \o/
[14:28] <clever> i ordered from element14, and it arrived in ~10 days
[14:28] <saivert> I ordered from both Farnell and RS
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[14:28] <saivert> they didn't let people in at the same time. so I received the first Pi 3 weeks before the 2nd
[14:29] <Neutron5> is there any way to make the rpi install and run "armel" packages, or is it in fact not the same architecture?
[14:29] <saivert> It is armel as Debian defines it
[14:29] <reider59> I got an Ebay one for the seconf Pi, I wanted the T shirt that comes with it. I failed to apply for my free T shirt and gave my original second Pi code away.
[14:29] <reider59> * second
[14:29] <saivert> but there is also a new platform called armhf which uses the hardware floating point capability of the CPU
[14:30] <ReggieUK> Neutron5, download the squeeze image, that's armel
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[14:30] <saivert> compiling Cython on the Pi takes a really long time
[14:31] <saivert> Is cross-compilation good now?
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[14:31] <Neutron5> I'll give it a shot. but I still wonder if raspbian could run armel binaries if you were to force it to :P
[14:31] <Crenn-NAS> ReggieUK: No, don't go for squeeze, got for wheezy!
[14:31] <ReggieUK> oh yeah, I forgot the wheezy before raspbian
[14:31] <clever> Neutron5: it probly will, just a question of the symbols in the libs matching up right
[14:32] <trijntje> is there a way to asign all ram to the system, and none to the gpu. I don't plan on using a monitor with my RPi
[14:32] <Crenn-NAS> reider59: You needed to apply for the free T-Shirt?
[14:32] <Crenn-NAS> trijntje: No
[14:32] <Crenn-NAS> The GPU has a minimum requirement
[14:32] <reider59> you had to fill in the delivery details for it and I didn@t
[14:33] <Crenn-NAS> reider59: I knew people were getting free shirts, but that's all I knew
[14:33] <clever> Crenn-NAS: i think the smallest allocation was configured not for the hard-min but for 1080 with no 3d buffers
[14:33] <loadbang> I've just tried gnome desktop, runs a little slow. How do I start in to the default raspbian window system?
[14:33] <clever> Crenn-NAS: so it can probly go smaller, but we dont have the tools to modify the gpu firmware
[14:34] <reider59> if you got it offered you had to put 1 RPi then in the details something like XL Shirt
[14:34] <trijntje> Crenn-NAS: thanks, I've already set it to the minimum with raspi_config
[14:34] <reider59> I missed that bit
[14:34] <saivert> seems like my only option to have a power loss resilient system is to run with a read-only filesystem as boot volume
[14:34] <saivert> then keep a second partition around for storing data
[14:35] <clever> saivert: thats the general layout that android uses
[14:35] <Crenn-NAS> reider59: I didn't get anything like that
[14:35] <Crenn-NAS> For both RPis
[14:35] <saivert> clever: my pi refused to boot after a power loss. got kernel bugs
[14:35] <reider59> I still have the email
[14:35] <saivert> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1283274/raspberrypi_kernelbug.jpg
[14:35] <Simon-> that sounds odd
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[14:36] <Simon-> aah
[14:36] <saivert> just using a 4GB SD card with Raspian distro (the official build)
[14:36] <Simon-> a bug in the ext4 code handling a corrupt FS :/
[14:36] <reider59> I'm getting an XXL Shirt and second RPi though, both still sealed, and not much over the normal price
[14:36] <clever> saivert: i'm guessing maybe the power didnt come up cleanly, maybe it had a low voltage at just the wrong time during startup
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[14:37] <clever> hmm, but the dmesg shows that it was a null pointer in ext4 code
[14:37] <reider59> It's nothing much, just a black t shirt, Element 14 and a large raspberry on it
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[14:38] <reider59> Theres a shirt on EBay with just one bid of 0.99p on it, 6 hourse to run http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Element-14-Raspberry-Pi-T-Shirt-XL-/110931429876?pt=UK_Men_s_T_Shirts&hash=item19d40749f4
[14:38] <loadbang> Is there any difference in SoC by Hynix, Samsung or VLSI manufactured?
[14:41] <saivert> stacking two Pis on top of each other in those cases from ModMyPi is a bad idea. The bottom one got real hot
[14:41] <saivert> both are powered on
[14:41] <saivert> might need a heatsink that CPU I think
[14:41] <saivert> it generates a lot of heat for consuming so little power
[14:42] <loadbang> The LAN chip gets hotter
[14:42] <Crenn-NAS> Does anyone know if every RPi has the same MAC address?
[14:42] <loadbang> my RPi has no fixed Mac address
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[14:42] <loadbang> changes every boot
[14:43] <Crenn-NAS> loadbang: What distro is that?
[14:43] <loadbang> Raspbian
[14:43] <Crenn-NAS> Strange
[14:43] <clever> Crenn-NAS: i can see something in /proc/cmdline setting the mac
[14:43] <Crenn-NAS> With wheezy mine is constant
[14:43] <clever> Crenn-NAS: cat that and see what you get
[14:44] <Crenn-NAS> I wonder if it would be the same with the new pi
[14:44] <Crenn-NAS> Only one way to find out!
[14:44] <clever> Crenn-NAS: mine is b8:27:eb:a4:37:7c
[14:45] <Crenn-NAS> Mine is different then
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> The MAC is created from the CPU serial number.
[14:45] <Crenn-NAS> B8:27:EB:EB:6B:EA
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> cat /proc/cpuinfo to check
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[14:45] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: That's all I needed to know :D
[14:45] <Crenn-NAS> Thanks for that
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[14:46] <Crenn-NAS> Wanted to make sure a 2nd RPi wouldn't cause DHCP problems
[14:46] <clever> i'm guessing start.elf calculates the mac from the serial# then, and then passes it as an argument
[14:46] <loadbang> I have fixed my ip on my Pi
[14:46] <loadbang> "dma.dmachans=0x3c bcm2708_fb.fbwidth=1280 bcm2708_fb.fbheight=720 bcm2708.boardrev=0x0 bcm2708.serial=0x0 smsc95xx.macaddr=B8:27:EB:B9:E8:CC dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait"
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> Crenn-NAS, no - it shouldn't. I've 3 Pi's here all running DHCP.
[14:46] <Crenn-NAS> gordonDrogon: Righto
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[14:46] <Crenn-NAS> Let's see if I can get my 2nd RPi up and running :D
[14:47] <Crenn-NAS> So weird seeing a RPi without a case on it
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[14:48] <loadbang> . /proc/cpuinfo "Serial : 0000000000000000"
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> And note that the prefix: B8:27:EB has been allocated to The Raspberry Pi Foundation - so someone forked out the ?400 (I think) for registration...
[14:48] <clever> loadbang: weird
[14:48] <Crenn-NAS> DAMNIT CAT!
[14:49] <Crenn-NAS> She sat on my RPi >.<;
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[14:49] <clever> Crenn-NAS: lol
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> I once had one allocated for a company I worked for at the time - didn't cost that much, but there was talk on a mailing list I'm on about allocating one for the virtual network interfaces they create...
[14:49] <Gallomimia> weird. my rpi has been a constant ip, set by the router via dhcp with a short lease time
[14:49] <loadbang> Crenn-NAS: Getting the JTAG pins stuck in it's bum? Interfacing.
[14:49] <trijntje> that sounds bad, I hope my pets leave it alone
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> Gallomimia, that's the way it's supposed to work.
[14:49] <Gallomimia> well.... yeah
[14:50] <Gallomimia> but people are saying they aren't getting constant ip's
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> Gallomimia, the router (and the Pi) should remember the details for later use.
[14:50] <Gallomimia> maybe they have really really short leases in their dhcp master?
[14:50] <clever> Gallomimia: it depends on the router
[14:50] <loadbang> trying to remember the command to set a MAC address?
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> Gallomimia, they have crap routers...
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> ipfconfig eth0 hwaddr ... (I think0
[14:50] <Gallomimia> stupid irc connections both dropped.....
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> *ifconfig
[14:50] <clever> gordonDrogon: ip can do it too, *looks*
[14:50] <Gallomimia> meanwhile ssh connections out of the country and to my pi stayed up
[14:51] <clever> ssh: connect to host eeepc port 22: No route to host
[14:51] <clever> um, one of my systems is missing!
[14:51] * gordonDrogon looks too - memory's failling me :)
[14:51] <Gallomimia> cat stole that too?
[14:51] <clever> *looks*
[14:51] <loadbang> anyone recommend a firewall? ipfw isn't in the repository.
[14:51] <Gallomimia> or just sat on it...
[14:51] <clever> Gallomimia: that would be a miracle, we dont have one!
[14:51] <Gallomimia> iptables
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> loadbang, build one out of iptables.
[14:51] <Gallomimia> ipfw is.... crappy :(
[14:52] <Gallomimia> i like it too. i don't know tables yet
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[14:52] <gordonDrogon> is it a firewall for a router, or just a single host?
[14:52] <Crenn-NAS> clever: My cat is a ninja
[14:52] <loadbang> single host
[14:52] <Crenn-NAS> Disappears and then reappears in a completely different location
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> ifconfig eth0 hw ether aa:bb:cc:........
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[14:53] <loadbang> gordonDrogon: cheers
[14:54] <clever> Crenn-NAS: hmm, its on...
[14:54] <clever> wifi is down
[14:54] <Crenn-NAS> It's on?
[14:55] * [M]ax cant wait for his pi to arrive ...
[14:55] <Crenn-NAS> [M]ax: What you planning to use it for?
[14:55] <[M]ax> dnla media server and web development server
[14:56] <clever> Crenn-NAS: hmmm, restarting wpa_supplicant worked
[14:56] <clever> first time that system has ever done this
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[14:57] <loadbang> "SIOCSIFHWADDR: Device or resource busy - you may need to down the interface" let's make it all a one liner.
[14:58] <clever> loadbang: and when it comes up, the route entries will be cleared, so you need to re-add them too (or call dhcp)
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[15:00] <Gallomimia> blast. 6am and i'm still freakin' wired
[15:00] <Gallomimia> however will i get some sleep :/
[15:01] <Crenn-NAS> Gallomimia: Through the power of my voice
[15:01] <Gallomimia> *MY* voice is the one that makes people sleepy
[15:02] <Crenn-NAS> Do you have a lecture on youtube?
[15:02] <Gallomimia> no
[15:02] <Gallomimia> funny :P
[15:03] <Gallomimia> it only does when i actually try to sound sleep inducing
[15:03] <Crenn-NAS> I do actually have a lecture on youtube ;P
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[15:03] <loadbang> my mum is enjoying her RPi. Thrilled at the moment she has written in pure machine code to get a dot, a square and circle to appear on the monitor.
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[15:03] <Gallomimia> sonofabitch!!!
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[15:04] <Gallomimia> soon as i wake up im chopping the bloody end of this eth cable
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[15:04] <Gallomimia> needs to be recrimped
[15:04] <Gallomimia> stupid moron who gave me this cable left a full 2 inches of twisted pairs sticking out the plug
[15:04] <loadbang> :o
[15:05] <Gallomimia> can't complain too much.... free cable
[15:05] <Gallomimia> but... seriously messed up. fortunately he gave me a crimper too
[15:05] <Gallomimia> now i gotta go find the pack of RJ45 ends i bought for this purpose
[15:05] <Gallomimia> when i wake up :/
[15:06] <loadbang> I've broken thee RJ45's in the last day
[15:06] <loadbang> three*
[15:06] <Fleck> you what?
[15:06] <loadbang> lock tab breaks off, think the plastic doesn't like to be bent so snaps.
[15:07] <Fleck> use rubber protection :D
[15:07] <Gallomimia> heh
[15:07] <Gallomimia> more commonly known as a snag free boot
[15:07] <Crenn-NAS> Gallomimia: But you're awake now!
[15:07] <Gallomimia> and not a "rubber"
[15:07] <Fleck> http://www.doss.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/assorted-rubber-boots.jpg
[15:07] <Gallomimia> no i'm very sleepy
[15:07] <Gallomimia> uh oh.
[15:07] <loadbang> I have those
[15:07] <Gallomimia> so... how are you breaking them?
[15:08] <Crenn-NAS> One at a time!
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[15:08] <Gallomimia> heh
[15:09] <Crenn-NAS> Yay... cows & cows & cows
[15:09] <loadbang> Gallomimia: push the tab down, they snap.
[15:10] <loadbang> very brittle plastic.
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[15:22] <saivert> https://www.dropbox.com/s/19zek09p6tie5el/2012-08-11%2015.17.55.jpg
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[15:27] <Crenn-NAS> A new RPi is alive!
[15:28] <[M]ax> heh
[15:32] <saivert> loadbang: you better buy a Crimp tool and a pack of 8P8C connectors then. or just buy a new patch cord
[15:32] <saivert> I used electrical tape to make a snag free boot. very easy
[15:33] <saivert> just tape loosly over the tab, then fold the tape in behind the connectro. then apply another strip of tape around the fold
[15:33] <loadbang> :)
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[15:35] <Gallomimia> loadbang that means you're not using the rj45 properly. cause they never break for me, unless they've recently been stressed by a snag
[15:36] <clever> or they are poorly made connectors, cheap plastics
[15:36] <Gallomimia> don't think i've ever seen a connector that was even shaped differently
[15:36] <clever> ive seen a range, some are solid, while others snapped off just by touching it sideways
[15:36] <loadbang> cheap plastics, they were ??1 for 3m and ??2.99 for ??10m
[15:36] <loadbang> 10m*
[15:37] <Gallomimia> alright if you guys say so. i don't exactly deal with them that often
[15:37] <clever> and that one that snapped off by pushing it sideways, it had a boot on it!
[15:37] <Gallomimia> tho i best rectify that situation
[15:37] <Gallomimia> so that's their game hey? add boot for value added feature, cheap out on the plastic tab cause it's protected by the boot!
[15:38] <clever> in my case, the boot was loose
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[15:38] <clever> so it easily falls back and does nothing
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[15:40] <Gallomimia> moulded boots: don't slide back, can't be field modified.
[15:40] <clever> yeah, those tend to be better
[15:40] <Gallomimia> slipping boots, can be added to any cable before crimping, might fall back and become useless
[15:40] <clever> and usualy more expensive
[15:40] <Gallomimia> so, pick your poison
[15:40] <Gallomimia> yep. but why anyone would grief over moulded boots when they could wrap electrical tape around their sliding boots....
[15:41] <clever> then the cable gets sticky with glue!
[15:41] <Gallomimia> you're working with it for hours with your hands. running them along its length repeatedly. glue is what we should hope for
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[15:43] <loadbang> when i did my cisco training we used rj45s plugs that had sprung metal button locks on them, rather than a plastic tab.
[15:45] <Gallomimia> AHHHHHHH
[15:45] <Gallomimia> good idea :D
[15:45] <Gallomimia> yes in my technical training all the lab equipment is of way higher durability than actual field equipment
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[15:45] <Gallomimia> cause it's got students using them constantly
[15:45] <Gallomimia> students usually end up breaking something
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[15:47] <Gallomimia> uh.... oh yeah! alright so include flags for a gcc make file
[15:47] <Gallomimia> the files that are being shouted about being missing in my compile are in there. they're in a subdir of my include dir. shouldn't that work??
[15:48] <clever> Gallomimia: -I isnt recursive
[15:48] <clever> either add each dir, or use the dir in the #include
[15:48] <Gallomimia> thank you
[15:49] <sirclockalot> anyone out these know how i change this line root:*:10770:0:99999::: in /etc/shadow so that i have a password for root
[15:49] <sirclockalot> i have no idea how to do it from my computer
[15:49] <clever> sirclockalot: just run 'passwd root'
[15:49] <Gallomimia> i don't believe /etc/shadow is editable
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[15:49] <sirclockalot> i have it in my computer right now
[15:49] <clever> the passwd program handles all of the editing of shadow for you
[15:49] <Gallomimia> but i think.... visudo is a program you might want to use
[15:49] <sirclockalot> otherwise when i boot from my pi it asks for a log in and i don't have one
[15:50] <Gallomimia> yeh. edit shadow all you want. the tools to use it are the ones you should edit it with
[15:50] <clever> sirclockalot: ah, its not your main shadow, ok
[15:50] <Gallomimia> sirclockalot: are you using raspbian?
[15:50] <clever> sirclockalot: grep /etc/shadow on your live system for your current user
[15:50] <clever> sirclockalot: the second field is the pw, just paste that in where the * is
[15:50] <Gallomimia> just hold your horses here
[15:50] <sirclockalot> i am building one myself
[15:50] <Gallomimia> he wants the password. the default passwords are....
[15:51] <Gallomimia> not using a standard release?
[15:51] <sirclockalot> so in /boot i have all the boot files and it loads fine, in root i have portage and a stage 3 to try out gentoo
[15:51] <Gallomimia> fancy
[15:51] <clever> sirclockalot: either copy the pw from your main shadow like i said, or chroot in and run passwd
[15:51] <sirclockalot> so i just made the entire thing myself
[15:51] <sirclockalot> sounds like a plan
[15:51] <sirclockalot> thanks
[15:51] <sirclockalot> will report back
[15:52] <Gallomimia> and
[15:52] <Gallomimia> when you get that image working
[15:52] <clever> sirclockalot: sudo grep $USER /etc/shadow, real simple
[15:52] <Gallomimia> might not be a bad plan to release it to others
[15:52] <saivert> So Gentoo on the PI?
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[15:54] <Gallomimia> what the bloody........ GRRR
[15:54] <clever> Gallomimia: ?
[15:54] <Gallomimia> environment variable i think
[15:54] <Gallomimia> still get the same error. same file is missing. but.... it's slightly different
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[15:54] <Gallomimia> like it got further but failed on the same problem
[15:55] <clever> Gallomimia: which file does it say is missing?
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[15:55] <Gallomimia> argh. sorry for the 3 line post: In file included from code/renderer/tr_local.h:31:0,
[15:55] <Gallomimia> from code/renderer/tr_animation.c:23:
[15:55] <Gallomimia> code/renderer/qgl.h:34:21: fatal error: GLES/gl.h: No such file or directory
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[15:55] <criten> Hey all
[15:55] <Gallomimia> hi
[15:55] <clever> Gallomimia: does gl.h exist in a GLES directory?
[15:56] <Gallomimia> it does
[15:56] <clever> Gallomimia: what is the full path to it?
[15:56] <Gallomimia> like i mentioned before, its in a sub directory of the include, which i put
[15:56] <Gallomimia> ls /opt/vc/include/GLES; glext.h gl.h glplatform.h
[15:56] <clever> Gallomimia: and what did you put for -I?
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[15:57] <Gallomimia> INCLUDES="-I/opt/vc/lib -I/opt/vc/include/interface/vcos/pthreads -I/opt/vc/include/GLES"
[15:57] <clever> Gallomimia: theres your problem
[15:57] <clever> its checking for /opt/vc/include/GLES/GLES/gl.h
[15:57] <clever> and its not there!
[15:57] <Gallomimia> oh
[15:58] <Gallomimia> well, look at the first -I
[15:58] <clever> thats lib, not include
[15:58] <Gallomimia> oh i should look at it too :P
[15:58] <clever> -I shouldnt be pointing to lib
[15:58] * Gallomimia presses backspace 5 times and presses save
[15:58] <criten> gordonDrogon: ping! Have you made any changes to the library?
[15:58] <Gallomimia> damn. shoulda started it in a screen
[15:59] <dirty_d> you guys have any ethernet optimizations? i get about 80Mbit/s recieving and 58Mbit/s sending
[15:59] <Gallomimia> where's it sending/receiving to?
[15:59] <criten> that's almost the max... haha the max is 100mbs
[15:59] <Gallomimia> 80mbits per second IS the max. 20% overhead
[16:00] <criten> Yup
[16:00] <Gallomimia> clever: much better. a wall full of warnings and it's still running
[16:00] <dirty_d> Gallomimia, to/from a gigabit switch to a fast pc with gigabit ethernet
[16:00] <criten> dirty_d: but the pi doesn't support gigabit
[16:00] <criten> Only 10/100
[16:00] <Gallomimia> i didn't ask what other computer you're communicating with
[16:01] <dirty_d> criten, i know
[16:01] <Gallomimia> tho i see why you are confused since it was left purposely ambiguous
[16:01] <dirty_d> but im only getting 58Mbit sending
[16:01] <Gallomimia> but what data are you sending?
[16:01] <Gallomimia> where is it coming from?
[16:01] <dirty_d> Gallomimia, im using iperf
[16:01] <Gallomimia> so, ram and CPU then
[16:01] <Gallomimia> okay... that's an interesting bottleneck
[16:01] <trevorman> the rpi has extra overhead on the ethernet interface as its done via USB
[16:01] <Gallomimia> incidentally i have the same network topology. i'd like to test it too
[16:02] <dirty_d> why wopuld sending be so much slower than recieving
[16:02] <Gallomimia> yeah it's 5/8 the speed
[16:02] <Gallomimia> that's a 32% loss
[16:02] <dirty_d> TCP window size: 22.9 KByte (default)
[16:02] <dirty_d> it uses that for sending
[16:02] <dirty_d> TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default)
[16:03] <dirty_d> that for recieving, i bet its that
[16:03] <Gallomimia> default sounds good... since everything else is going to use the same
[16:03] <Gallomimia> oh right
[16:03] <Gallomimia> yeah. 4x the size of payload
[16:03] <Gallomimia> the losses you see there are the extra packet headers from having lower payloads
[16:04] <Gallomimia> i'm assuming your measurement is after the tcp packets are unwrapped
[16:06] <Gallomimia> hm. given those default values in the tool, one would expect very similar values for any given 100baseT link
[16:07] <dirty_d> hmm, interesting i set the windows size with iperf to higher values, and the bandwidth didnt change at all
[16:07] <clever> dirty_d: it probly wont effect existing connections
[16:07] <dirty_d> i reopened it
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[16:08] <clever> dirty_d: window size on the remote end may also have an impact
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[16:08] <dirty_d> the remote end is 85K
[16:09] <dirty_d> local end was 22k by default, changing to 64, 85 etc made no difference
[16:09] <dirty_d> what do you guys get?
[16:09] <Gallomimia> sounds to me that the packet headers are included in the tool's measurements
[16:09] <dirty_d> Gallomimia, they probably are
[16:09] <Gallomimia> my pi is running a compile right now so i'm not doing anything to it
[16:10] <[M]ax> has anyone looked at using gentoo?
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[16:10] <Gallomimia> sirclockalot is doing it right now
[16:11] <sirclockalot> well i followed this http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[16:11] <Gallomimia> scroll up about 40 lines
[16:11] <dirty_d> oh
[16:11] <dirty_d> brb
[16:11] <sirclockalot> but now i am locked out of the system as i am unable to change /etc/shadow
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[16:11] <Gallomimia> oh.
[16:11] <[M]ax> heh, i was looking at gentoo + arm the other day, but i didnt see this ..
[16:11] <Gallomimia> time for you to google gentoo rootkit i guess :/
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[16:12] <Gallomimia> one of the suggestions in raspbian forums is to execute: sudo su - ; passwd
[16:12] <Gallomimia> not on the same line tho
[16:12] <Gallomimia> of course this is cause raspbian is set up to allow seriously unsecure sudo'ing
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[16:14] <sirclockalot> i have the SD card in my computer at the moment and the line for root is root:*:10770:0:99999:7:::
[16:14] <clever> Gallomimia: arg!!!, sudo su is evil :P
[16:14] <dirty_d> sirclockalot, just mount the sdcard on a pc and do what you need
[16:14] <clever> Gallomimia: just bloody sudo -i! :P
[16:14] <sirclockalot> but i am having difficulty chrooting into the system from my parallels virtual linux
[16:14] <trevorman> dirty_d: it isn't particularly unusual that you're getting asymmetrical speeds. throughput is heavily affected by cpu and nic
[16:15] <trevorman> dirty_d: look at the CPU usage and there should be a difference between it running in client only mode or server only mode
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[16:17] <criten> does anyone have any information on grabbing webcam data through C/C++?
[16:18] <criten> Nevermind.. found something
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[16:18] <nickds> Hello
[16:18] <trevorman> just search for v4l examples
[16:18] <trevorman> the API is a bit clunky but not much you can about that :|
[16:18] <trevorman> Hi
[16:18] <criten> Yea, I'm looking into it now : ]
[16:19] <nickds> Is anyone free for a bit of advice ?
[16:19] <criten> Ask away!
[16:20] <criten> I guess my first step is to see if my webcam even works on the Pi under raspbian... It does show up as video0!
[16:20] <[SLB]> try fswebcam
[16:20] <nickds> Well, I love using Gnome, so when I saw Pisces and MATE image of Raspbian I used it straight away. Now that the "official" raspbian has been released it has LXDE in it. I have tried to strip away LXDE completely and reinstall MATE using http://archive.raspbian.org/MATE as an APT source and it works well, but I cant completely remove all LXDE programs and I used a crude way of hashing X so
[16:20] <nickds> the startx command launched MATE, but it still seems to launch LXDE panels.
[16:21] <nickds> Or the other option instead of stripping LXDE out of the official version is, how can I make it so my Pisces image works with newer binaries, I changed the source list to use mirrordirector but when I try and install things like omxplayer which come in the sources of the official release, it gives me messages like no candidate.
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[16:22] <criten> does the source you added have arm support?
[16:22] <criten> oh. I see.
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[16:22] <nickds> my source list is identical to the official one, plus it has the MATE source
[16:22] <criten> oxmplayer isnt showing up anymore
[16:22] <nickds> ah ok
[16:23] <nickds> maybe it is working ok then
[16:23] <criten> Uhh.... That's weird. Have you tried rolling back?
[16:23] <criten> remove that source
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[16:23] <nickds> ive changed my sources to mirrordirector.raspbian from archive.raspbian and done apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, and apt-get upgrade all is up to date now
[16:23] <nickds> let me check
[16:23] <criten> ok.
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[16:24] <nickds> Ive actually got it commented out, so its only using mirrordirector
[16:24] <nickds> so my only uncommented line read
[16:24] <nickds> deb http://mirrorredictor.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[16:24] <nickds> i did also have
[16:24] <nickds> deb http://archive.raspbian.org/mate/ wheezy main but like i say its remmed out
[16:25] <criten> http://mirrorredictor.raspbian.org/raspbian/ doesnt seem to be up
[16:25] <nickds> sorry typo
[16:25] <nickds> mirrordirector
[16:25] <criten> oh ok hahaha
[16:25] <nickds> silly me
[16:25] <criten> I was like.. theres your problem : P
[16:25] <nickds> well if omxplayer is not in the repo anymore then maybe thats why I cant find it
[16:26] <nickds> i compiled quake3, seemed easy enough using build.sh
[16:26] <nickds> but how do I go about compiling omxplayer if i git clone it
[16:26] <criten> how does it run? haha
[16:26] <criten> Uhh.. they might have a readme
[16:26] <criten> Is there a makefile?
[16:26] <nickds> yes
[16:26] <nickds> quake3 runs nicely
[16:26] <criten> just type make
[16:26] <criten> and see what happens haha
[16:26] <nickds> it gave me some error
[16:27] <nickds> 2 secs while i find it
[16:27] <criten> is there a configure.sh?
[16:27] <nickds> got 2 SD cards, very silly
[16:27] <nickds> on another note, my keyboard layout is UK in X but in bash its still US ?
[16:27] <nickds> like when using nano
[16:27] <nickds> is that normal
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[16:28] <criten> My key configs are messed up too.. haha so i have no clue
[16:28] <criten> I haven't bothered changing them
[16:28] <criten> I do most stuff through ssh so it's all right through there...
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[16:29] <nickds> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[16:29] <nickds> that will change it
[16:29] <IT_Sean> Yahoy
[16:29] <nickds> where does raspbian keep its Xorg stuff
[16:29] <nickds> like when you run startx where is the file it launches
[16:30] <nickds> i know xorg.conf is not used anymore
[16:30] <nickds> and i dont want to have to make a custom initrc where is the system wide one that determines startx
[16:30] <criten> I'm unsure
[16:30] <criten> I dont do much through X...
[16:35] <criten> [SLB]: It gave an error... you know much about fswebcam?
[16:36] <[SLB]> moment i check my command line to launch it
[16:36] <criten> [SLB]: http://pastebin.com/fdzcQ70K
[16:37] <[SLB]> fswebcam -r 640x480 -S 15 --flip h --jpeg 95 --save capture.jpg
[16:38] <[SLB]> how did you run it? i think that's because you missed the --save switch maybe
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[16:39] <Fleck> Criten my videos worked from smb, when i set 1080p@24Hz << was 50... this fixes almost all freezes! Another fix - set res to 720p ...
[16:39] <criten> [SLB]: Let me try your commands
[16:39] <Gallomimia> that was answered today i think. ~/.xorgrc 
[16:39] <criten> Fleck: Nice!
[16:39] <criten> Fleck: Does it look awesome?
[16:39] <Fleck> yes, its ok, well those mkv files are 23.976 or somthing like that fps - so 24Hz is perfect for them...
[16:39] <Gallomimia> hm
[16:40] <Gallomimia> my quake compile finished
[16:40] <Fleck> congrats Gallomimia :)
[16:40] <criten> Gallomimia: How long does that take?
[16:40] <Gallomimia> cool beans
[16:40] <Gallomimia> uh
[16:40] <Gallomimia> i dunno :/
[16:40] <criten> Haha
[16:40] <Gallomimia> you were here when i started it
[16:40] <criten> Do it overnight?
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[16:40] <criten> Haha gotcha
[16:40] <Gallomimia> no it's been like 45 minutes
[16:40] <criten> Ahh
[16:41] <Gallomimia> just about 45mins exactly according to the irc timestamps
[16:41] <Gallomimia> 45 minutes ago it was started. no idea when it finished
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[16:42] <criten> Gallomimia: Sweet... I should set up a server for us : P
[16:42] <[SLB]> $ time command is very useful :3
[16:42] <Gallomimia> i have a VDS on interNAP bandwidth in chicago if we need a server
[16:42] <criten> We should set up a quake server haha
[16:42] <Gallomimia> in fact i should kick everyone off of it and reboot it
[16:47] <[SLB]> criten, did the command work?
[16:48] <criten> [SLB]: Yes!
[16:48] <criten> [SLB]: thank you
[16:48] <[SLB]> nice yw :)
[16:48] <criten> [SLB]: was just playing with it. It gave me an error about writing a banner.. but the image capture worked
[16:48] <criten> Which means the webcam is working under rasbian! : ]
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[16:50] <[SLB]> my full command is: fswebcam -r 640x480 -S 15 --flip h --jpeg 95 --shadow --title "title string" --subtitle "subtitle string" --info "info string" --save home.jpg
[16:50] <[SLB]> nice eheh :)
[16:50] <criten> Haha : ]
[16:50] <[SLB]> :3
[16:51] <criten> Now i want to try and get as low-delay of a stream as i can...
[16:51] <[SLB]> i used mjpeg-streamer for camera stream
[16:52] <criten> [SLB]: That's what I was looking into
[16:52] <criten> Hows the lag on it?
[16:52] <[SLB]> at 15fps i perceive no lag
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[16:52] <[SLB]> at 320*240
[16:53] <[SLB]> haven't tried other resolutions nor fps
[16:53] <criten> That would be perfect..
[16:53] <[SLB]> eheh
[16:53] <saivert> I feel so stupid. Can't even set up a Raspberry Pi at this remote cabin to log weather station data and just work 24/7 with no fuss
[16:53] <criten> And I should be able to grab that in a html5 video play maybeeeeee
[16:53] <criten> saivert: What's not workin about it?
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[16:59] <nickds> How do I completely remove LXDE from Raspbian
[16:59] <nickds> and change startx to launch something different
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[17:01] <[SLB]> i added twm and windowmaker, without removing lxde though, and i changed the default in vnc but haven't tested it yet by startx itself
[17:03] <nickds> i made an .xinitrc file but I still had LXDE panels running
[17:03] <[SLB]> i created a file ~/.xinitrc as a bash script launching exec wmaker, that may work but haven't tested it yet
[17:04] <[SLP]> have a look at /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[17:04] <[SLP]> maybe comment that line out
[17:04] <[SLP]> that's where it loads lightdm, i guess
[17:04] <[SLP]> < irssi from my pi \o/
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[17:06] <[SLB]> to make it work in vnc i had to comment out the line /etc/X11/Xsession
[17:07] <criten> [SLB]: Where did you install mjpg-streamer from
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[17:07] <[SLB]> i had to compile it from source
[17:07] <criten> what dependencies did yo have to install?
[17:08] <saivert> criten: unstable power source (12V battery + solar panel for charging it). so any sudden powerloss may cause the OS to not boot due to corruption on the SD card
[17:08] <[SLB]> i think these libjpeg8-dev libv4l-dev libpcre[123]-dev libva-dev, but probably not all were really needed
[17:08] <criten> saivert: You are using a voltage regulator right....?
[17:08] <saivert> I have restored the SD card now (reformat, reimage from latest Raspian image) and installed everything back the way it was. I will have to duplicate the SD card so I have a backup at hand in case it happens again
[17:08] <saivert> criten: yes. 12V to 5V regulator
[17:09] <saivert> of the car plug type
[17:09] <criten> How long can it last on the battery?
[17:09] <bertrik> can an SD card itself actually become corrupted?
[17:09] <criten> The filesystem on it can... I'd assume
[17:10] <bertrik> but a journaling file system should be able to recover from that, right?
[17:10] <saivert> the battery should be able to make it run for a few hours I guess. A modem and network camera also draws power from it.
[17:10] <Gallomimia> i can't believe i just had to install whois
[17:10] <criten> saivert: so it does die at night?
[17:11] <saivert> yes
[17:11] <criten> ah
[17:11] <Gallomimia> have you tried it all night?
[17:11] <criten> [SLB]: It cant find linux/videodev.h... i thought i installed all the depends
[17:11] <Gallomimia> im not sure i believe a car battery won't run a pi for 24h
[17:11] <criten> What amp-hour is it? lets do maths!
[17:12] <[SLB]> ah right criten, in the headers directory there's a similar file name, just copy it to videodev.h
[17:12] <criten> hahaha.... alright
[17:12] <[SLB]> eheh
[17:12] <Gallomimia> pretty sure car batteries in the neighborhood of 700Ah?
[17:12] <Gallomimia> let's google!
[17:12] <criten> That's a silly hack.
[17:12] <[SLB]> yeps
[17:12] <trevorman> bertrik: it is possible to corrupt a SD card at a low level. whether you can recover from that or not is dependant on the actual SD controller chip inside the card.
[17:13] <criten> That should run it for.... quite a while
[17:13] <[SLB]> it wasn't that long actually
[17:13] <[SLB]> and it may finish with some errors, but in the end it worked for me anyway eheh
[17:13] <criten> [SLB]: sorry.. talking to Gallomimia
[17:14] <[SLB]> ah oks np
[17:14] <Gallomimia> hm. some sites say 40-50 for smaller car batteries
[17:14] <criten> [SLB]: Where is the header include directory in raspbian...
[17:15] <Gallomimia> oh. /opt/vc is not quite the same set of headers i think
[17:15] <[SLB]> trying to remember lol
[17:16] <Gallomimia> from my quake3 compile: INCLUDES="-I/opt/vc/lib -I/opt/vc/include/interface/vcos/pthreads -I/opt/vc/include"
[17:16] <Gallomimia> dunno if it's anywhere close to what you're looking for
[17:16] <criten> Gallomimia: 1.42 days on a 40Ah battrery... theoretically.
[17:17] <[SLB]> usr/include/linux
[17:17] <trevorman> Gallomimia: you don't want a regular car battery anyway as they're designed for high current for very brief periods during starting. you want something like a caravan aux battery
[17:17] <clever> trevorman: or a marine battery
[17:17] <[SLB]> cp videodev2.h videodev.h
[17:17] <trevorman> clever: yeah
[17:18] <criten> [SLB]: Oh yes.... I remember it being v2... haha
[17:18] <[SLB]> eheh
[17:18] <criten> That does explain it
[17:18] <Gallomimia> yeah. deep cycle marine/rv batteries
[17:18] <Gallomimia> low current high capacity
[17:18] <trevorman> you shouldn't ever completely flatten it anyway as that usually kills them even deep cycle ones
[17:18] <Gallomimia> you mean eat all the power?
[17:18] <criten> Yea... never go below like 10v
[17:19] <Gallomimia> right. it's really hard on a lead acid battery to flatline it
[17:19] <Gallomimia> you can restart them.... with a specialty charger
[17:19] <saivert> The battery is not a car battery but made for cabins. so it has a slow discharge characteristic compared to a car battery which is made to discharge quickly (to power a starter motor).
[17:19] <criten> well they have a "memory".. kinda so if you keep running it down and not charging it for a while it will die
[17:19] <Gallomimia> same kind of concept. it's a marine/rv style battery
[17:20] <saivert> The 12V to 5V car adaptor also has some loss I guess. It gets hot. Any voltage conversion has some loss to it. which is a shame. The modem has 12V input while the Pi and the network camera only needs 5V.
[17:20] <criten> saivert: if you get a switching regulator it will be much more efficient
[17:20] <Gallomimia> here's the page i actually found to look up how many amp hours typically come on a car battery: http://www.chem.hawaii.edu/uham/bat.html
[17:20] <saivert> so I need to create a stable power supply with as little loss as possible and then I can think of designing the OS to handle a sudden powerloss. This has to work reliable in the worst case scenario.
[17:20] <Gallomimia> yes it does get hot
[17:21] <Gallomimia> and a typical battery elimination circuit, very likely present after the step-down is going to make heat
[17:21] <trevorman> saivert: well. you could detect when there is a low charge and shutdown gracefully.
[17:21] <Gallomimia> it "tunes" the voltage to certain levels. any extra that needs to get sluffed off is completely wasted as heat
[17:21] <Gallomimia> yeah good idea!
[17:21] <clever> saivert: you would probly want a switch mode regulator, or your just pissing away over half your power as heat
[17:21] <Gallomimia> use the gpio pins
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[17:22] <Gallomimia> yeah. well over half. half before we consider inefficiencies
[17:22] <criten> [SLB]: Wow! works great!
[17:22] <criten> [SLB]: The stream is awesome
[17:22] <saivert> yup. I was looking at some voltage sensor that could hook up to the GPIO pins.
[17:22] <[SLB]> :D
[17:22] <criten> [SLB]: I need a camera with a higher framerte though.. this one is kinda old
[17:22] <saivert> I found one on Adafruit that connects via I2C. This means I have to start programming.
[17:23] <[SLB]> mine too very
[17:23] <criten> [SLB]: there is a LITTLE lag... but it should be fine
[17:23] <[SLB]> eheh
[17:23] <criten> [SLB]: actually the java player is a bit better
[17:24] <trevorman> saivert: if you're okay with soldering then you can make a simple circuit that just toggles a pin and repurpose the existing UPS code in linux like apcupsd in dumb mode
[17:24] <bertrik> nice idea
[17:24] <[SLB]> i think that crashed once to me, the java one, not sure which one crashed eheh
[17:25] <criten> [SLB]: I think the java one just crashed for me too haha
[17:25] <clever> trevorman: apcupsd works on the gpio drivers?
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[17:25] <[SLB]> eheh
[17:25] <trevorman> clever: you'd need to hack it or reprogram a GPIO to be that serial port pin
[17:25] <hotwings> yaaaaaaawn
[17:25] <hotwings> streeeeeetch
[17:25] <clever> trevorman: thought so
[17:25] <hotwings> man.. i think i actually got enough sleep for a change
[17:26] <trevorman> the RPi does bring out some of the alternate function serial ports to the GPIO header I think...
[17:26] <trevorman> well. the handshaking ones anyway
[17:26] <clever> trevorman: yeah, the rx&tx are a 3.3v level 115200 serial port with the kernels dmesg output
[17:26] <clever> might even have a shell, havent checked
[17:27] <saivert> but what kind of regulator are we talking about here? surely no LM7805 chip?
[17:27] <trevorman> nah I mean like CTS RTS etc... the BCM2835 does it but its not configured to do so
[17:27] <trevorman> saivert: no. 7805 = linear regulator
[17:27] <clever> trevorman: those pins may be on the header, but i think they are just configured as normal gpio
[17:28] <clever> trevorman: not sure what it would take to turn them into cts/rtx
[17:28] <saivert> I haven't taken the car adaptor apart yet but I guess it is a linear regulator kind. The output voltage is selectable though in steps of 1.5, 3, 4.5, 5, 6 and 9 volts.
[17:28] <trevorman> clever: yeah. you'd need to redefine those pins. the only doc we've got about the bcm2835 does tell you how but it'll involve messing with the kernel. don't think the bootloader does it.....
[17:28] <clever> saivert: see if you can find a modern one with just a usb jack, then it would just work as-is
[17:29] <clever> one of the 12v splitters i have includes a 5v usb jack on the side
[17:29] <saivert> one that might use the MAC742 DC-DC converter perhaps
[17:29] <trevorman> saivert: something like a http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/2110
[17:29] <saivert> *MAX742
[17:29] <trevorman> or check out ebay as there are tons on there
[17:31] * clever heads to bed
[17:32] <saivert> could one of this power both a PI and a 5V network camera (DLink DCS-930L)?
[17:32] <saivert> "it can deliver up to 3.5 A continuous in typical applications" should answer it
[17:33] <saivert> when a kit like this exist why do the sell so many crap regulators then
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[17:33] <criten> [SLB]: did you get my message?
[17:33] <[SLB]> yes sorry was on phone
[17:33] <[SLB]> nice :)
[17:34] <criten> is it streaming?
[17:34] <[SLB]> yes but very slowly
[17:34] <criten> like low frames?
[17:34] <[SLB]> kinda 2-3 fps if in luck
[17:34] <[SLB]> yes
[17:34] <criten> yea... i think thats the webcam
[17:35] <[SLB]> for some webcams like mine, old creative, the more the light the better the fps it can give out
[17:35] <trevorman> saivert: linear regulators are cheap, easy and can produce a nicer output with less noise etc...
[17:36] <criten> I have an old creative haha
[17:36] <[SLB]> lol eheh
[17:36] <[SLB]> wait hm should try at 320*240
[17:37] <criten> who me?
[17:37] <[SLB]> yes is it at 640*480 now?
[17:39] <criten> yes
[17:40] <[SLB]> it may behave so much better down to 320*240
[17:40] <criten> let me try that
[17:41] <[SLB]> this is my webcam btw http://img.aha.vn/products/60356_39324.jpg
[17:41] <criten> [SLB]: what's your command to start it
[17:41] <[SLB]> moment
[17:41] <criten> [SLB]: Aw.. ours arent the same : ]
[17:42] <[SLB]> the mjpg streamer command?
[17:42] <[SLB]> oh eheh
[17:42] <criten> yea
[17:42] <criten> haha
[17:42] <criten> no
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[17:42] <criten> well... I want the command but we dont have the same camera hahaha
[17:42] <[SLB]> eheh :p
[17:43] <[SLB]> mjpg_streamer -i "./input_uvc.so -d /dev/video0 -r 320x240 -f 15" -o "./output_http.so -w ./www -p 8080"
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[17:47] <saivert> just ordered this: http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/2110
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[17:48] <saivert> the car adapter I was talking about was something like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Car-12v-DC-DC-REGULATED-Converter-12v-9v-7-5v-6v-4-5v-3v-1-5v-800mA-/350582498087?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Other&hash=item51a0586327
[17:48] <saivert> utter crap right?
[17:49] <chithead> that one would have worked fine http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251095941531
[17:50] <chithead> your part is good if you want to operate the rpi on solar panels or something
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[17:50] <criten> chithead: He;s going to efficiency.. the one you linked probably just has a linear regular.. switching supplies are much more efficient
[17:50] <criten> going for*
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[17:51] <criten> Alright... so my phone is dying but i'm using my cable for my Pi.... #PiWorldProblems
[17:53] <saivert> and yes they have a bunch of different regulators on eBay as well. some with more components than others.
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[17:54] <criten> saivert: I really like that part you linked... I might end up getting one
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[17:57] <saivert> then Adafruit has this for monitoring voltages/current: https://www.adafruit.com/products/904 originally made for Arduino I2C but should be able to use it with the Pi as well
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[17:57] <criten> saivert: yea.. the Pi has a few i2c pins
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[18:07] <gordonDrogon> now I have an I2c chip to play with!
[18:08] <criten> gordonDrogon: Awesome! I2c is a fantastic protocol
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[18:10] <gordonDrogon> I actually think serial rs232 is as good, although I2c can be a bit faster and designed for multi-drop...
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> I have the I2C version of the 16-port GPIO expander thingy.
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> going to write some geenric wiringPi drivers for it.
[18:11] <criten> Yea... you can have like 255 devices on a single buss
[18:11] <criten> which is awesome
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[18:12] <trevorman> nobody ever puts that many on a bus and I2C addressing of pretty much every chip out there is extremely limited
[18:14] <criten> Well yea.. having that many on a buss would be quite silly.
[18:14] <nickds> does anyone know much about SIEMENS S7
[18:14] <trevorman> the limited address options per chip are a bigger issue :|
[18:14] <criten> Yea...
[18:14] <trevorman> guess it is still better than SPI where you need a dedicated enable
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[18:14] <criten> nickds: I took a class on it... haha
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> nickds, what's a Siemens S7 ?
[18:15] <criten> nickds: can't say i can help
[18:15] <criten> gordonDrogon: the IDE for programming PLCs
[18:15] <criten> an ide*
[18:15] <criten> Among other things..
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> ok
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> I have a certificate in ladder logic programming somewhere ;-)
[18:16] <criten> gordonDrogon: That's basically what it is....
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[18:20] <steve_rox> :-P
[18:22] <criten> Gross!
[18:22] <IT_Sean> hey! I take offense to that
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[18:23] <steve_rox> fun times
[18:24] <criten> I'll one day tell my kids about them.
[18:24] <steve_rox> indeed
[18:24] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:25] <[M]ax> how does a pi work on a class 6 device?
[18:25] <steve_rox> going nuts trying to think of a potential pi project
[18:25] <[M]ax> sorry, class 6 sd card
[18:26] <steve_rox> i put a class 10 in mine
[18:26] <steve_rox> and i got a 6 here
[18:26] <steve_rox> works okay i guess
[18:27] <olive> but slower
[18:27] <steve_rox> probly no speed difference
[18:27] <[M]ax> i got a class 10 32gb card for the main setup im gonna have, but i was wondering about using a class 6 for play
[18:27] <steve_rox> i need more sd cards , my digital cam wants it back
[18:28] <[SLB]> i have a class 4 and it goes at 17/12mbs
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[18:49] <criten> gordonDrogon: Have you used the QT serial library
[18:50] <criten> Actually.. nevermind they don't have a native one
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[19:04] <r0cky> Hi there
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[19:06] <r0cky> What's the V for a GPIO TRUE input?
[19:08] <criten> r0cky: HEy
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[19:12] <mongrelion> \o
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[19:16] <trevorman> r0cky: VIH is usually 2V for 3.3V TTL
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> criten, QT - isn't that a graphical library?
[19:17] <criten> gordonDrogon: Nope, It's a very full featured C++ framework
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> criten, good for it ;-) I don't do c+
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> +
[19:17] <criten> gordonDrogon: Part of which is graphical
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> I really don't get on with c++
[19:18] <criten> It's mostly what I do
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> ok
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> I spent a year once programming for a company in c++ and decided I'd never touch it again. It's read-only for me.
[19:18] <criten> Going back to C is awesome though... everything is simple
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> exactly.
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[19:20] <mongrelion> http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/136804 #physics #offtopic #notrelated #sfw
[19:22] <trijntje> hmm, my raspberry is using >500% cpu, how many cores does it have again?
[19:23] <mongrelion> one tiny 700mhz core, mate.
[19:24] <trijntje> looks like it died in some interesting way then
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> very intersting ...
[19:27] <trevorman> eh? you looking at the load average?
[19:28] <dirty_d> i love c++
[19:28] <dirty_d> especially since c++11
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[19:28] <r0cky> trevorman, thanks, trying to figure out the meaning for acronins :)
[19:29] <dirty_d> i wrote a really neat rtti system a few days ago
[19:30] <dirty_d> over 30 times faster than dynamic_cast and typeid
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[19:30] <trevorman> r0cky: basically anything 2.0V+ counts as 1. anything 0.8V or lower counts as 0. same threshold for 5V and 3.3V TTL so you can wire the output of a 3.3V device into the input of a 5V device. just dont' do it the other way around.
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[19:31] <trevorman> trijntje: the load average number can go above 1 if that is what you're looking at
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[19:33] <r0cky> trevorman, So pluging the 5V output as an input is a no-no. correct?
[19:33] <trevorman> yeah. don't put anything more than 3.3V into any of the RPi GPIOs
[19:34] <r0cky> Good thing nothing burn yesterday when I did it :)
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> intersting article about cooking chicken: http://www.hi-tm.com/Documents/Bloody-chik.html found it after looking up why the bbq lambs I've just done has a pink outer surface...
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[19:42] <nickds> whats an easy way to change from LXDE to MATE ?
[19:43] <NucWin> get a mate to do it?
[19:43] <mythos> hmm... buy a bottle and drink it?
[19:45] <nickds> thanks for all your help
[19:46] <chithead> install mate, choose it at your login screen
[19:46] <mythos> nickds, without $distro this is the best i could come up with
[19:46] <nickds> Raspbian "official"
[19:47] <mythos> nickds, what chithead said
[19:47] <nickds> added http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/MATE to sources and installed
[19:47] <nickds> when you say choose it at your login screen how do you mean
[19:47] <nickds> when i type startx, bang straight into LXDE
[19:47] <nickds> i made my own .xinitrc file and still get LXDE tray and LXDE apps left over
[19:48] <mongrelion> nickds: what wm did you install?
[19:48] <mongrelion> and what's the binary to execute it? you can always do things like startx /usr/bin/awesome or xinit /usr/bin/startfluxbox and so on.
[19:48] <mongrelion> if the .xinitrc file is not "working"
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[19:49] <nickds> exec mate-session
[19:49] <mongrelion> $ which mate-session
[19:49] <mongrelion> perhaps it's not finding the binary and that's why it is falling back to the default desktop enviornment.
[19:49] <mongrelion> I'm just guessing.
[19:49] <nickds> it runs mate, but I end up with LXDE panels as well as mate panels, on top of each other
[19:50] <mongrelion> what's mate, though?
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[19:51] <nickds> They stopped development of Gnome so the source code forked off into MATE
[19:51] <nickds> if you overclock your pi a bit, it runs lovely, and looks so much like a modern desktop than LXDE
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[19:54] <chithead> there are several ways to set the default desktop environment, none of which is specific to the raspberry pi. the easiest is to use a login manager like lxdm which will remember your previous choice
[19:55] <nickds> i spent ages scratching my head trying to understand startx, X11, Xorg
[19:55] <nickds> and no where could I find the line that launches LXDE and replace it
[19:55] <nickds> so I guess im looking at the wrong things
[19:55] <nickds> i dont know a huge deal about linux, i thought it would be like being at a DOS prompt and when you want to run Windows you type win
[19:55] <nickds> how silly of me
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[19:59] <nickds> so how do i get into this login screen chithead
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[20:01] <chithead> I think it is directly added to runlevel 3 after you install it
[20:01] <nickds> hmm can you spell that out in beginners terms
[20:01] <chithead> "apt-get install lxdm"
[20:01] <nickds> here is my scenario, just installed mate
[20:01] <nickds> nano ~/.xinitrc
[20:01] <nickds> exec mate-session
[20:01] <nickds> startx
[20:02] <nickds> boots into mate, all nice
[20:02] <nickds> now i got some crazy PolicyKit error
[20:03] <chithead> to avoid the poilicykit error, you need to use ck-launch-session (or use a login manager with consolekit integration such as lxdm)
[20:03] <chithead> "exec ck-launch-session mate-session"
[20:03] <nickds> when i do apt-get install lxdm
[20:03] <nickds> it cant find
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[20:06] <nickds> changed init file but still get the error, it says authentication error already excists for subject, in the startup i got LXDE policy starting up too
[20:06] <nickds> well im guessing LXPolKit is LXDE
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[20:09] <nickds> i recommend everyone use MATE ;)
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[20:10] <chithead> you are probably better off asking in the debian channel
[20:10] <nickds> just removed LXPolKit from startup, error message gone
[20:11] <nickds> now Im using what looks just like Gnome on a Raspberry Pi
[20:11] <nickds> so happy
[20:11] <nickds> very snappy too
[20:11] <nickds> even with a wallpaper
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[20:14] <[SLB]> ~/.xinitrc needs to just be a regular text file? like no need for +x permission nor to be a bash script?
[20:15] <[SLB]> oh lol mate wants to install 407mb
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[20:24] <nickds> no need for +x
[20:24] <nickds> did you install it
[20:24] <nickds> mate-core and mate-desktop-environment
[20:24] <[SLB]> thanks no not going to install it, i thought it was lighter eheh, i use windowmaker
[20:25] <nickds> probably as heavy as it gets lol
[20:25] <[SLB]> still have to do the ~/.xinitrc thing tho
[20:25] <[SLB]> eheh :)
[20:25] <nickds> i read that as widow maker
[20:25] <[SLB]> windowmaker was like 5mb :p
[20:25] <nickds> sounded fun
[20:25] <[SLB]> oh lol
[20:25] <nickds> i tried to run urban terror in quake3 was bad times
[20:26] <[SLB]> ah i haven't tried
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[20:27] <nickds> dont lol
[20:27] <nickds> complains about something to do with folder
[20:27] <nickds> would love if it worked
[20:27] <sam> anyone knows where I can find either raspbmc .deb packages, or a raspbmc disk image?
[20:27] <sam> all the website seems to provide are installation scripts that do everything behind my back
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[20:28] <nickds> what you do sam is point it at a pendrive or something and it dumps the img for you
[20:28] <nickds> foold it
[20:28] <nickds> fool it
[20:28] <nickds> trying to remember what i did
[20:28] <sam> actually I think I found exactly what I need: http://michael.gorven.za.net/blog/2012/08/06/xbmc-packages-raspberry-pi-running-raspbian
[20:29] <nickds> ah fair enough
[20:30] <[SLB]> http://download.raspbmc.com/downloads/bin/ramdistribution/installer.img.gz
[20:30] <sam> thanks for the other pointers though
[20:30] <[SLB]> yw
[20:31] <[SLB]> btw i compiled xbmc myself, and then it won't work because it's asking for accelerated drivers
[20:31] <sam> yeah, most OpenGL software needs tweaks in order to use the broadcom libraries
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[20:39] <chithead> especially considering that you get opengl es
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[21:10] <jcdutton> Me and a friend each ordered a pi. One from RS, one from Farnell. We ordered on the same day. The Farnell one arrived a week ago, the RS one has not arrived yet
[21:11] <nx5> my farnell pi also arrived earlier, I cancelled the RS order
[21:12] <nx5> but for the rs order I didn't use the "invitation", I ordered when they let everyone order.
[21:12] <Borgso> Think i got my 2nd order from Farnell within two weeks. Where one week was wasted in mail time
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[21:12] <nx5> RS said 11 weeks lead time I think... too long
[21:12] <trevorman> RS and Farnell are independently manufacturing
[21:13] <Amadiro> I ordered from farnell and got it ~5 days later
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[21:29] <Geniack> helllo, i am trying to install openelec distri on my rasppi sd... but it seems to use these parameters : mounting partition /dev/mmcblk11 .. instead of mounting partition /dev/mmcblk1p1 .. any idea how to fix that?
[21:31] <Gallomimia> urban terror?
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[21:31] <Gallomimia> geniack what method are you using to copy to the sd?
[21:31] <Gallomimia> not with an image file? just installing files to it?
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[21:32] <Gallomimia> try the mount command with the /dev you want?
[21:33] <Gallomimia> trevorman amadiro nx5 borgso which of those companies is aka element 14? that's where i got my pi. i think that's farnell. Mine came bloody quick once i finally paid them :P
[21:33] <trevorman> thats farnell
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[21:35] <Gallomimia> almost always the same person answer every time i phone for credit card issues. always with an accent, always with strange english grammar. but always friendly and professional
[21:36] <Gallomimia> and now it's time to boot into windows :/
[21:36] <Gallomimia> feels icky already
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[22:08] <gordonDrogon> well that was a waste of time.
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> dismantled a very old project to see if the ultrasonic sensors in it still worked. they don't.
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> slowly putting old stuff in the bin. I actually binned a perfectly good LED earlier, but it was glued into a bit of plastic. I'd *never* have done that 25 years ago - they were far too precious!!!
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[22:15] <gordonDrogon> just thrown out other stuff too... Sort of feeling good about it. VGA to component video lead. old plastic boxes. an old Centronix printer lead. some other randome connectors I can't remember what they were for.
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[22:21] <criten> Just got a 7-port powered hub : D
[22:22] <criten> 3.5A
[22:25] <hugorodrigues> criten: lol me too
[22:25] <hugorodrigues> what problem are you trying to fix with the hub?
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[22:26] <gordonDrogon> I don't think I have USB devices...
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> ... have 7 USB devices ...
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[22:31] <PigFlu> anyone here use/have tried any usb wifi dongles?
[22:31] <criten> hugorodrigues: Just having more ports.. hah
[22:31] <criten> hugorodrigues: and to power the Pi
[22:32] <PigFlu> i'm looking at some cheap ones, but not sure if they will work with xbmc
[22:32] <criten> PigFlu: I haven't yet... but that's my next step
[22:32] <criten> hugorodrigues: I have a mouse/keybard/webcam/arduino/power for Pi
[22:33] <PigFlu> yea, i would hate to run a long cat5 cable through my living room :/
[22:33] <Gadgetoid> Humm, the MicroLab H21 speakers have a USB port in the back that looks damned well like it'll power the Pi... I feel a combination of gadgets coming on... to the electrical tape!
[22:34] <criten> PigFlu: I know people on here were talking about this 12$ micro-usb wireless N adapter the other day
[22:34] <nid0> PigFlu: pretty much any of the cheap N nano adaptors will work, they all use rtl8188cu chipsets - it doesnt work out of the box with the current pi images, but there're lots of threads explaining how to set it up
[22:34] <nid0> and someone has a script written thatll do all the setup for you
[22:35] <PigFlu> :)
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[22:37] <Gadgetoid> Dear lord, my 5-year old daughter is doing redstone wiring
[22:37] <PigFlu> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultra-mini-nano-usb-2-0-802-11n-150mbps-wifi-wlan-wireless-network-adapter-48166?item=40 this one seems alright
[22:37] <PigFlu> i wonder why that one guy put "does not need an installation disc" as a con
[22:38] <Gadgetoid> PigFlu: got to love the godawful keyword-stuffed names they give to stuff like that, long URL is long :D
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[22:39] <PigFlu> hehe yea. ?item=40 would probably be enough :x
[22:39] <Gadgetoid> SEO power!
[22:40] <Gadgetoid> I've had mixed results with wireless adaptors, I really should upgrade to Raspbian and try again
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[22:40] <chithead> wireless adapters depend only on having the proper driver in the kernel and firmware installed
[22:42] <Gadgetoid> chithead: yeah, and then there's the "Mystery Surprise Factor" where wireless adaptors refuse to work, or don't work reliably for no reason other than cosmic rays or interfering microscopic space aliens
[22:44] <chithead> yeah, but if someone says "I don't have a wlan0 device" then you can be almost certain what is wrong
[22:45] <PigFlu> why are wifi shields so expensive? why dont people just use a wifi usb thingy? :/
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[22:46] <PigFlu> wait
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[22:47] <PigFlu> i was confusing my pi with the arduino
[22:47] <PigFlu> im retarded
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[22:48] <Syliss> lol
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> I'd always suggest a Wi-Fi to Ethernet bridge myself, but the Pi's Ethernet is on USB anyway...
[22:55] <trevorman> yeah. if you want an easy life then get a wifi ethernet bridge :)
[22:56] <PigFlu> how does that work..
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> works for me :)
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> more plugs though.
[22:56] <PigFlu> how so
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> PigFlu, box with wifi on one side and Ethernet on the other.
[22:56] <gordonDrogon> the wi-fi part connects to your access point just like any other device, but it then bridges it to Ethernet.
[22:57] <PigFlu> so the pi basicaly thinks its on ethernet
[22:57] <trevorman> yes
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> the pi, anything....
[22:57] <PigFlu> how does the box know my wepkey, though
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> and you can connect a switch to most of them too now, so many devices.
[22:57] <trevorman> you type it in when you set it up?
[22:57] <PigFlu> i see
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> you need to talk to the box when you first set it up - tehy usually have a fixed IP address and a web type interface.
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> just like a router with wifi...
[22:57] <trevorman> I hope you meant WPA key anyway...
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> Some stand-alone wifi access points can work in bridge mode - e.g. the Draytek AP700's.
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[22:59] <Ryanteck> Hi
[22:59] <Ryanteck> Wow no one active?
[22:59] <Ryanteck> :(
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> how active do you want?
[23:00] * shadeslayer flaps his arm around
[23:00] <mjr> impatient much...
[23:00] <PigFlu> what are these devices called..? either i cant find them, or the dealextreme search function sucks
[23:00] <Ryanteck> 0.o
[23:00] <trevorman> idk. IT_Sean was a bit frisky earlier. I think that counts as active.
[23:00] <Ryanteck> Raspberry Pi A micro computer
[23:00] <Ryanteck> Well
[23:00] <IT_Sean> hey
[23:00] <Ryanteck> Credit card sized
[23:00] <Ryanteck> Hai
[23:00] <IT_Sean> easy there
[23:00] <trevorman> :D
[23:00] <Ryanteck> My head hurts from coding :(
[23:01] <Ryanteck> I need to take a break from Pi stuff xD
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> PigFlu, wireless ethernet bridges. e.g. http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopSearch.asp?CategoryID=111
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> those are dedicated units.
[23:01] <trevorman> PigFlu: http://s.dealextreme.com/search/wifi+bridge
[23:01] <Ryanteck> ooo
[23:02] <Ryanteck> How good is XBMC?
[23:02] <trevorman> you can probably reconfigure that tiny tplink box to do it as well
[23:02] <trevorman> but thats more DIY as you'll need to get openwrt on there and then set it up
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> most stand-alone access points can run in bridge mode now.
[23:03] <Ryanteck> Yeh they can
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[23:03] <Ryanteck> I have one as a bridge
[23:03] <trevorman> I was going to say most but then I remembered how sketchy some of those chipsets are and that there is going to be some annoying popular exceptions :)
[23:04] <mikma> http://imgur.com/gallery/Tj3lT
[23:04] <IT_Sean> lol
[23:04] <Ryanteck> Google earth is stupid
[23:04] <Ryanteck> spent about 3 hours converting a map to it
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[23:04] <IT_Sean> funny... it thinks the same about you
[23:04] <Ryanteck> and it worked worse :L
[23:05] <Ryanteck> Couldn't handle the sheer amount of markers on it
[23:05] <trevorman> gmaps doesn't scale well at all for markers
[23:05] <trevorman> the limit isn't particularly high either before it starts getting really slow
[23:05] <Ryanteck> Its ok with clusterer
[23:05] <Ryanteck> (Fail spelling)
[23:06] <trevorman> ah wait no you said google earth. my bad.
[23:06] <Ryanteck> yeah google earth hates more than 10
[23:06] <Ryanteck> Maps however can do a beautiful job
[23:07] <Ryanteck> 10729 markers seem enough so far
[23:07] <Ryanteck> Wonder how many more people will add :3
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[23:09] <Ryanteck> Sooo
[23:09] <Ryanteck> Anyone here got a Pibow?
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> not yet ....
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[23:10] <Ryanteck> Ordered a gertboard?
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> got one :)
[23:10] <Ryanteck> :O
[23:10] <IT_Sean> Is te gertboard even out yet?
[23:10] <Ryanteck> Yeh
[23:10] <Ryanteck> it came out a few days ago
[23:10] <IT_Sean> it is? awesome.
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[23:10] <IT_Sean> Kewl
[23:10] <Ryanteck> Hmm
[23:10] <IT_Sean> Musta missed it
[23:10] <Ryanteck> That reminds me
[23:10] <gordonDrogon> Ryanteck, only 10729 markers on the map?
[23:10] <Ryanteck> Mhm
[23:11] <Ryanteck> Its getting there
[23:11] <Ryanteck> Need more people to add their Pi xD
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[23:11] <gordonDrogon> haven't looked for a while - it managed to put me about 50 miles from where I am...
[23:11] <Ryanteck> 0.o
[23:11] <Ryanteck> Bad googles
[23:12] <Ryanteck> I was looking at an open source map
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> wooo... lightening & thunder!
[23:12] <IT_Sean> heh
[23:12] <trevorman> QC is a bit hit & miss with openstreetmap type stuff
[23:12] <Ryanteck> Yeh
[23:12] <Ryanteck> It don't look as good :(
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> not going to see the persiods tonight then.
[23:13] <Ryanteck> And im still well within my google api limit usage at the moment
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> no rain...
[23:16] <criten> All cloudy here : [
[23:16] <Ryanteck> I should go sleep
[23:16] <nickds> bed time
[23:16] <IT_Sean> 's loverly 'ere
[23:16] <Ryanteck> I have to work some more on this names system im doing
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> about a 1-2 seconds between flash & thunder - so it's not far away.
[23:16] <nickds> will we ever see a GPU accelerated desktop environment on the pi?
[23:17] <IT_Sean> nickds, yes.
[23:17] <nickds> i look forward to it :)
[23:17] <Ryanteck> I hope BOINC will work faster on the pi soon
[23:17] <nickds> and a GPU accelerated media player, like omxplayer, but for X with a GUI
[23:17] <Ryanteck> If it had GPU support it may work well
[23:17] <nickds> what is BOINC
[23:17] <Ryanteck> distributed computing
[23:17] <Ryanteck> Like seti
[23:18] <nickds> sorry im a beginner what is seti
[23:18] <Ryanteck> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
[23:18] <Ryanteck> Searching for aliens
[23:18] <nickds> hmm that went over my head having a quick scan of that
[23:18] <straterra> i2c on this Pi is driving me insane
[23:18] <Ryanteck> Also does the satellite view on this look better than normal view? - http://rastrack.co.uk/
[23:19] <nickds> ah ok so your leave your pi running to help them
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> I'm looking at i2c stuff right now ...
[23:19] <nickds> does anyone know much about siemens s7 plc kit
[23:19] <Ryanteck> Well im going to go
[23:19] <Ryanteck> Night all ;)
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[23:20] <nickds> im a linux beginner, i love playing with my pi, today i have compiled quake 3, installed omxplayer binary, installed and setup mate, and mounted samba shares and external usb hdd and played avi and mkv with omxplayer. all of these are big acheivements for me :) does anyone have any ideas of something fun i can amuse myself with now?
[23:20] <nickds> like any other games or gadgets
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> nickds, how about playing the quake you compiled!
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[23:24] <nickds> i have a short attention span :)
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[23:24] <nickds> played it this afternoon for a few hours
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> what about hardware hacking then? Some simple electronics - making a light flash, etc. ?
[23:25] <nickds> well i do like plc programming, so i may have to get into some python
[23:25] <nickds> i just dont have any kit for it right now
[23:26] <nickds> i have a test panel i built for a siemens plc, guess i could patch the gpio into the terminal rail
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> do you program the PLCs for a living, or do you just have one?
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> I once designed a completely new programming method for PLCs, but never finished implmenting it before I left the company.
[23:27] <straterra> I wonder if I need a pull down on the i2c bus or something
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> no
[23:27] <nickds> just for fun, for a living i draw electrical drawings in autocad
[23:27] <nickds> id like to program
[23:27] <straterra> I'm reading from this i2c device and the data isn't consistent..at all
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> it has 1.8K resistors on the Pi's board.
[23:27] <straterra> weird
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> i2c devices are designed to pull the bus low.
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[23:28] <Berry_HK> going to give Wheezy ago to implement a IRC bouncer and client
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> what are you reading from?
[23:28] <Berry_HK> ;-)
[23:28] <straterra> gordonDrogon: a blinkm led
[23:28] <straterra> Getting the firmware version
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> an LED with an i2c interface? bit overkill, isn't it?
[23:29] <straterra> Just makes my life easier. You can set RGB and program script in to it
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[23:29] <gordonDrogon> ok
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> I've got an MCP 23017
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> GPIO expander
[23:30] <straterra> I'm going to be talking to a handful of other i2c devices. Just made sense to me to use i2c for all of the I/O on this project
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> might make sense...
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[23:32] <straterra> I'm getting some WEIRD characters on this read
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[23:33] <Hodapp> straterra: whoa, haven't talked to you in awhile.
[23:34] <straterra> http://pastebin.com/0AnZJZsQ and http://pastebin.com/trTfzKq1
[23:34] <straterra> Hodapp: New nick..or do I have bad memory? :x
[23:34] <Hodapp> Same nick and maybe :P
[23:34] <straterra> I'm sure I do
[23:34] <Hodapp> you've been on Freenode and OFTC awhile, right?
[23:34] <straterra> Yeah
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> straterra, doesn't look a million miles from what I'm about to do ...
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> straterra, try printing them in hex/dec than characters - or is the device supposed to return characters?
[23:36] <straterra> it returns characters
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> although it's not consistent...
[23:36] <straterra> The first byte is always correct, just not the second one
[23:36] <straterra> I wonder if its this breadboard :x
[23:37] <straterra> Hodapp: What chans do I know you from?
[23:37] <Hodapp> #lad? ##linux?
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[23:39] <swecide> oh, ah raspberry pi demo at Evoke!
[23:41] <Happy0> :o
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[23:45] <straterra> I definitely think I have some memory corruption going on here
[23:45] <Ryanteck> O.o
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[23:46] <Ryanteck> Did anyone see raspithon?
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[23:48] <gordonDrogon> straterra, I'd try dumping the first 4 bytes of bufferread in hex to see if that reveals anything...
[23:49] <straterra> My C is a bit..fuzzy. Is there an easy fuction to do that or should I just do it by hand?
[23:49] <Ryanteck> Confused xD
[23:51] <Ryanteck> Oooo
[23:51] <Ryanteck> A Raspberroids port :D
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> when in doubt, use brute force...
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> %02X:%02X:%02X:%02X in printf ...
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