#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-08-12

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[0:02] <Ricksl> when you compile quake 3 for the raspberry pi you get ioquake3 and ioq3ded, whats the latter do?
[0:04] <Amadiro> Ricksl, sounds like it's a dedicated server
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[0:20] <xiambax> Anyone want to trade a Droid X for a few RPI boards?
[0:21] <chithead> trade X for Y is ambiguous. you may want to rephrase to "I have X, want Y, anyone willing to trade?"
[0:24] <ziltro2> Chromosomes?
[0:24] <criten> : D
[0:25] <criten> I just made the best guacamole ever
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[0:38] <Motafoca> guys, anyone manage to get a crossdev on gentoo for pi ?
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[0:43] <Berry_HK> xiambax: how many is a few
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[0:44] <bircoe> "criten> I just made the best guacamole ever" did your Raspberry Pi do it for you?
[0:45] <criten> bircoe: Of course it did ; ]
[0:46] <Motafoca> lol
[0:46] <xiambax> I dunno, The phone is worth 200 bucks?
[0:46] <xiambax> Two or three?
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[0:53] <virunga> @seen Holden
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[0:54] <bircoe> virunga, I've got one parked out front...
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[0:55] <virunga> bircoe: what?
[0:55] <xiambax> Its a car
[0:55] <xiambax> Someones Aussie
[0:55] <bircoe> hehe bad joke...
[0:55] <virunga> ah
[0:55] <xiambax> https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&tok=I5yEld_hl9VsV-k69_eeiw&cp=10&gs_id=9&xhr=t&q=holden+cars&safe=off&rlz=1C1CHFA_enCA484CA487&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&biw=1277&bih=1284&ion=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=deImUNfAJMuVjALK6oFo
[0:56] <bircoe> Holden are a car maker, they export to a ton of countries
[0:56] <xiambax> ah
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[0:57] <bircoe> don't let anyone fool you tho, they're pretty crap... at least up until the current models
[0:57] <bircoe> http://www.privatefleet.com.au/images/upload/Image/holden222fi.jpg
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[0:59] <bircoe> anyhow... that's my bad sense of humor for the day, I'm goin to the shops with my 2 year old... out of milk.
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[1:09] <PigFlu> how long does dealextreme shipping take to europe? im guessing its not exactly DHL, since its free..
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[1:10] <IT_Sean> free shipping?
[1:10] <IT_Sean> It'll arrive sometime between tomorrow and the end of days.
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[1:10] <PigFlu> ;_;
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[1:15] <bertrik> rpi-update makes rapsbian boot-loop
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[1:19] <criten> [SLB]: My stream randomly isn't working anymore...
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[1:21] <iron_houzi> Hi. I'm trying to buy a precise sensor for temperature and humidity in Europe. Does anyone know of a good one? Either digital or analogue..
[1:21] <gordonDrogon> iron_houzi, I've used the SHT-15
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[1:22] <gordonDrogon> e.g. http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/humidity-and-temperature-sensor-sht15-breakout-p-714.html
[1:23] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/sht15temp.jpg
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[1:25] <Tachyon`> what is that spi device?
[1:25] <Tachyon`> on the small red board
[1:26] <gordonDrogon> it's not spi, but it's the SHT-15 temm/humidity sensor.
[1:26] <gordonDrogon> temp.
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[1:30] <criten> Guysss I have a question... How come when i plug my keyboard into my hub my camera feed dies.... haha
[1:31] <Crenn-NAS> Morgen alles
[1:31] <Fleck> what audio players do you use on raspi?
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[1:42] <[SLB]> oh criten i'm not sure, the other day when the java streamer broke, the cam got stuck and i had to reboot to have it back
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[1:47] <Tachyon`> ah, what is it then? was only aware of SPI and I2C with that type of bus?
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[1:59] <criten> [SLB]: It only breaks when the keyboard is plugged in...
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[2:00] <[SLB]> maybe needs more power
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[2:14] <criten> [SLB]: I have a powered hub now
[2:17] <bircoe> read the keyboards label to see if it shows it's pwoer requirements...
[2:17] <bircoe> what's the power supply on the hub?
[2:20] <criten> 3.5A
[2:21] <bircoe> that's pretty sufficient :)
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[2:23] <bircoe> So plugging both devices into the hub?
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[2:46] <criten> bircoe: I'm not even powering the Pi off of it when this happens
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[3:05] <shapr> Hi, I'm trying to get a RealTek RTL8191SU working with Raspbian. I'm pretty sure I have all the drivers loaded correctly, but I'm not sure how to get /etc/wpa.conf to match up with my access point.
[3:07] <criten> shapr: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=263136 Mighttttt help?
[3:08] <shapr> I currently have this config file: http://hpaste.org/72999 but it won't associate with my WPA-PSK + WPA2-PSK access point.
[3:08] <criten> shapr: I haven't played weith the wifi on the Pi yet.
[3:08] <criten> Pretty sure the psk is the hash, not the password
[3:08] <criten> pasphrase*
[3:08] <shapr> oh, that could be it.
[3:08] <criten> the link i gave showed how to generate it, i think.
[3:08] <shapr> It does, I'll try that.
[3:09] <criten> Let me know how it goes : ]
[3:09] <dennistlg> for me both not worked
[3:10] <dennistlg> have installed wicd over lan
[3:10] <criten> dennistlg: Does it work without security?
[3:11] <dennistlg> not testet
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[3:14] <criten> I might as well ask this again. I have a powered hub, plenty of power (3.5A) and if i power my Pi off of my phone charger, and plug a webcam and a keyboard into the hub mjpg-stream is CRAZY slow, but as soon as i unplug the keyboard it works fine. any ideas?
[3:14] <swecide> Here is the raspberry pi demo from Evoke: http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=59691
[3:14] <[SLB]> my wpa.conf http://pastebin.com/zD95Nbnr
[3:16] <[SLB]> shapr ^
[3:17] <[SLB]> i use wpa2 but in proto i have rsn and it works
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[3:19] <criten> [SLB]: do you know any programs i can do to view webcam output in X?
[3:19] <criten> realtime.
[3:19] <[SLB]> guvcview
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[3:23] <^robertj> wooh got my pi today :)
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[3:23] <^robertj> i'm punished for my lack of planning and not downloading hte iso earlier with a 5 min wait
[3:24] <criten> ^robertj: Congrats! : ]
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[3:24] <criten> guvcview
[3:24] <^robertj> dunno what ill do with it, got an arduino that its gonna do battle with to determine who gets to control my watering bot :)
[3:24] <criten> oops. Wrong keyboard.
[3:24] <criten> ^robertj: Use both : ]
[3:25] <dennistlg> aircrack runing fine ;-) on pi whezzy
[3:25] <^robertj> I don't need both, it's just gonna be an i2c host mostly
[3:25] <criten> ^robertj: The arduino is better at controlling servos/motors/ and stuff
[3:25] <criten> Ahh, gotcha
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[3:25] <^robertj> criten, everything I need to do is either really easy or ... so difficult i dont know what I need
[3:26] <criten> I'm communicating between my Pi and arduino over serial. The arduino is handling I/O and relaying it back over serial/i'm talking to it over serial
[3:26] <criten> And the Pi is handling a video stream and a web GUI for the controls in html5/websockets
[3:26] <criten> For my robot
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[3:32] <^robertj> criten, know anything about TDR or TDT by any chance :)
[3:33] <criten> ^robertj: what do they stand for?
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[3:33] <criten> I have to say no haha
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[3:35] <^robertj> criten, time domain reflectometry/transmissiometry
[3:35] <^robertj> bascially hwo long does it take for a signal to go from a to b
[3:36] <criten> Oh gotcha
[3:36] <criten> Not really~
[3:36] <criten> [SLB]: I hate this. Hahaha
[3:37] <[SLB]> lol eheh
[3:37] <criten> It shouldn't be drawing to much..
[3:37] <criten> But something is oviously happening
[3:37] <criten> It only seems to affect video
[3:37] <criten> as in video from the webcam
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[3:38] <bruce_ber> what hardware revision is the currently shipping model b? (or where can I find that on the wiki/web?)
[3:41] <^robertj> bruce_ber didn't know there was a r2 yet
[3:41] <IT_Sean> Model B isn't shipping yet
[3:41] <^robertj> IT_Sean, B is definately shipping
[3:41] <^robertj> B was the first
[3:41] <IT_Sean> D'oh!
[3:41] <IT_Sean> Sorry.. I've been up since the small hours this morning
[3:42] <IT_Sean> Model A isn't shipping yet. :p
[3:42] <criten> This should be model A Because it's better : ]
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[3:43] <[SLB]> speaking of what, i should sleep, almost 4am lol
[3:43] <[SLB]> o/
[3:43] <trevorman> criten: model B was the better spec BBC micro
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[3:44] <^robertj> B has a NIC and 2 usb ports, A has 1 usb port and no nic, and otherwise they are identical except B costs $35 and A is $25
[3:45] <bruce_ber> soooo.... does anyone know if the currently shipping model B is the final revision, or are they expecting another revision?
[3:46] <IT_Sean> Right now, as far as i know, there are no plans for anything besides the model B, and the model A
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[3:46] <criten> IT_Sean: there isn't the dude said so : D
[3:46] <criten> IT_Sean: Yet. atleast.
[3:47] <criten> IT_Sean: He said even if they were thinking about it they dont want people waiting for a year to buy it when it might not even come out haha
[3:47] <trevorman> only change I know of is regarding silkscreen and the usual variation in parts used. no actual feature changes to my knowledge although there are some "well if we make another revision then we might change this" notes on things like the expansion connector and the ID strapping pins
[3:47] <criten> so they wouldnt tell anyone
[3:47] <trevorman> more like a new version not revision anyway
[3:47] <^robertj> I'm certain it's not even seriously on the radar at this point. They need curriculum for the edu release.
[3:48] <bruce_ber> I'm mostly asking about revisions for fixing any known hardware bugs (if they exist)
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[3:49] <trevorman> nope
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[3:51] <torourke> The hardware is really stable.
[3:51] <criten> Besides the c6 cap falling off for some people... haha
[3:51] <bruce_ber> that's good to hear!
[3:51] <trevorman> only issue I can think of that could do with some changes was a design "feature" and that is power
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[3:52] <criten> They should have picked a standard barrel connector IMO
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[3:54] <torourke> if the cap falls off it's easy to solder back on
[3:54] <trevorman> yeah
[3:54] <trevorman> if your PSU is even half way decent then it'll work without it anyway
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[3:56] <criten> Yup
[3:57] <^robertj> trevorman, I think it seems much more logical in the EU
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[3:58] <trevorman> what is more logical?
[3:59] <IT_Sean> the microUSB power thinger
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[4:01] <trevorman> might make it a bit easier to buy the PSU but they're trusting everybody to stick to the USB spec which unfortunately doesn't happen
[4:03] <criten> Pretty sure the usb spec is capped at 500mA
[4:03] <criten> for most usb ports
[4:03] <trevorman> later versions of it let you draw more
[4:03] <trevorman> its the voltage that is the big problem
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[4:04] <^robertj> Travenin, the power version is the standardized cell charger for the EU
[4:05] <trevorman> the tolerance isn't big enough for the RPi though
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[4:06] <trevorman> USB 1/2 say power is 5V+/-5% so your PSU can output 4.75V and still be completely within spec
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[4:07] <trevorman> there is a voltage drop across that polyfuse on the RPi and the 3.3V LDO reg used has a minimum voltage of 4.75V
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[4:16] <f8ba208e18> hello
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[4:36] <criten> f8ba208e18: Hi
[4:37] <criten> Has anyone done any Qt development on the Pi?
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[4:43] <home> heey
[4:44] <home> whos on right now
[4:44] <criten> hey home
[4:45] <f8ba208e18> hey criten! going to bed at 4:30am to setup lighttpd was NOT a good idea... haha
[4:45] <criten> I got to bed around 5
[4:45] <criten> got woken up at 8
[4:45] <criten> still up
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[4:45] <f8ba208e18> criten: weird... me too
[4:45] <criten> haha
[4:45] <bircoe> Hmmm... Arduino Wifi Sheilds use SPI, it'd be nice if someone developed a Wifi SPI based addon for the Pi...
[4:45] <criten> f8ba208e18: Nice!
[4:45] <bircoe> I was a total softy and went to bed at 9pm!
[4:46] <criten> Haha nice
[4:46] <MycoRunner> bircoe: would using SPI be faster than over USB 2?
[4:46] <criten> That's what i was going to do tonight
[4:46] <criten> but then had a breakthrough with Qt...
[4:46] <bircoe> Highly doubt it... but not interested in it for speed
[4:46] <f8ba208e18> I just found an old aux cable.. I want to see what I can do with that on the pi
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[4:47] <criten> f8ba208e18: what do you mean?
[4:47] <f8ba208e18> the RCA
[4:48] <f8ba208e18> not sure what to do with it yet
[4:48] <criten> oh the yellow video output?
[4:48] <criten> Just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing..
[4:48] <f8ba208e18> yes the yellow one
[4:50] <criten> ...I can't link this library! So frustrating..
[4:51] <bircoe> <MycoRunner> according to some specs I just found SPI is good for a max of 15mbps... more than sufficient for most tasks.
[4:51] <MycoRunner> hm
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[4:53] <bircoe> Googleing "raspberry pi wifi spi" doesn't bring up much of anything to suggest someone has done it or is working on it.
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[4:54] <criten> Why do you want this?
[4:54] <bircoe> Why... because it would mean that there is an addon with known hardware, messign around with firmware for USB dongles is just plain anoying!
[4:55] <criten> But wouldnt a usb dongle be far better?
[4:55] <home> No
[4:55] <bircoe> far better for what?
[4:55] <home> stop worrying
[4:55] <criten> Okay.
[4:55] <criten> Faster for one.
[4:56] <Crenn-NAS> Depends on what you want the WiFi for
[4:56] <bircoe> 15mbps would be more than acceptable for most tasks, even if it's max connection speed were 802.11b @ 11mmbps you'd be hard pressed to find an application where you'd need more
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[4:56] <home> Wifi= video streaming
[4:56] <home> to lappy
[4:57] <bircoe> I setup my Pi a while back with a USB hard drive and connected via ethernet as a mini NAS, best I could pull off it was about 7MB/s
[4:57] <Crenn-NAS> However, knowning the hardware, unless you used the interrupts for SPI, you'd tie up the CPU
[4:57] <home> bircoe: that's pretty GOOD
[4:57] <home> bircoe: but pretty slow nonetheless..
[4:57] <bircoe> I know, I'm not complaining for it's specs...
[4:57] <criten> You could get a wireless bridge
[4:58] <criten> Then you dont need to worry about firmware at all
[4:58] <criten> drivers*
[4:58] <bircoe> but when you've got a HP Micro Server in your cupboard connected to a gigbit network that you can read data from it at 50mbps the Pi's speed seems sort of insignificant!
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[5:01] <Crenn-NAS> bircoe: Depends on how you rate things
[5:01] <Crenn-NAS> For me, lower power is the key, not speed
[5:03] <bircoe> I completely agree, which is why I chose the HP MS... check it's specs, they run a CPU intended for notebooks/netbooks...
[5:03] <bircoe> Abd why my media centre is an Apple TV2
[5:05] <bircoe> CPU: Dual-core AMD Athlon II NEO N36L (1.30GHz, 15W)
[5:06] <Crenn-NAS> Also, 7MB/s is fine for streaming most HD media
[5:06] <bircoe> I never said it wasn't... just that it isn't upto the standards I expect from a NAS, which is why it's not being used as a NAS, it was just a test to see what it could manage.
[5:07] <criten> YES! got my websocket Qt implementation working!
[5:08] <Crenn-NAS> Hehe, when a NAS only uses 5W including a 120GB HDD, I think it's enough ;P
[5:09] <neofutur> criten: put it on github !
[5:10] <criten> Well it's my threaded server in Qt using someones implantation of webSockets in Qt On the Pi
[5:10] <criten> haha
[5:10] <bircoe> my setup: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/Cupboard-Network-NAS.jpg
[5:10] <criten> criten: Quite tired.... finding it hard to relay thoughts to text haha
[5:11] <criten> And for someone reason i tagged myself in that.
[5:11] <bircoe> you shoulda got more sleep :P
[5:11] <criten> I'll go to sleep when i stop making progress hahaha
[5:11] <criten> I have nothing going on till work on tuesday
[5:12] <bircoe> I have the same problem... but when you have 8 month old teething twins that wake up every couple of hours you must force yourself!!!
[5:12] <home> bircoe: lol being a parent sucks
[5:12] <bircoe> nah it's great fun... well once the teething and not sleeping stops
[5:13] <bircoe> my 2 year old is fantastic, love her to bits, super clever, cute... all I could have asked for.
[5:13] <criten> Well i'm not that far in life yet : ]
[5:14] <f8ba208e18> whats the rack for bircoe ?
[5:14] <bircoe> holding the switch and patch panel...
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[5:14] <bircoe> I was originally going to have a rack mount server, but my electricity bills are big enough as they are
[5:15] <Crenn-NAS> bircoe: Nice setup, got a 8 port TP-Link, RPi with 1.8" HDD and router/modem as my 24/7 setup
[5:16] <bircoe> That's been culled back a bit... there were 2 cable tidy thingies... the TP link switch is gigabit and I had another 100mb switch for non gigabit devices, also had planned on a Netgear ProSafe rack mount firewall but canned that.
[5:17] <bircoe> My wife hates that she lost 2 sheleves in the cupboard for that :)
[5:17] <bircoe> but i hated going outside in the cold all the time to mess with stuff
[5:17] <home> bircoe: :o old people first world problems...
[5:17] <Crenn-NAS> Hehe, hence why I set up my setup to use as little as possible, 21W on idle
[5:18] <bircoe> not that old :P but yes it's a first world problem for sure...
[5:18] <Crenn-NAS> Where you located bircoe?
[5:18] <bircoe> Australia, not far from Canberra
[5:19] <bircoe> u?
[5:19] <Crenn-NAS> Ah, the ACT. I'm in Victoria, about 15km out of Melbourne
[5:19] <bircoe> outside ACT but close :)
[5:20] <Crenn-NAS> Ah ok
[5:21] <bircoe> My property is just off the Barton hwy
[5:21] <criten> Dang! I have everything i need for my robot running at the same time on the Pi. What progress! : D and they all work at the same time and doesnt seem to bog anything down.
[5:21] <bircoe> good work
[5:21] <bircoe> now program it to fetch beer from the fridge.
[5:21] <Crenn-NAS> Nice, custom robot chassis?
[5:21] <criten> Yea! : ]
[5:22] <Crenn-NAS> bircoe: Ginger beer I hope ;P
[5:22] <criten> It's all done on a crazy low budget
[5:22] <Crenn-NAS> How much in total?
[5:22] <criten> The chassis was about 10$ of wood 2 barings some screws and 4 hose clamps : ]
[5:22] <criten> bearings*
[5:23] <criten> the drive motors are 2 drills I got on ebay for 5$ each stripped them down to the motor, but left the chuck on
[5:23] <Crenn-NAS> lol
[5:23] <Crenn-NAS> NICE
[5:23] <bircoe> Crenn-NAS, I like Melbourne, last time I was there was for work... so didn't get to do much, but time before that we spent a day at the Aquarium and several nights at the casino!
[5:23] <criten> It works better than you think
[5:24] <Crenn-NAS> bircoe: Better than sydney would you say? ;D
[5:24] <criten> Then i took 2 wheels i got at a hardware store and welded them to a steel rod, which is then tightened in the drill chuch
[5:24] <bircoe> shit yeah
[5:24] <bircoe> I hate Sydney
[5:24] <criten> clutch*
[5:24] <Crenn-NAS> criten: I'm not doubting
[5:25] <bircoe> I only go to Sydney if I have to collect ebay goods... will avoid it at all costs otherwise
[5:25] <Crenn-NAS> bircoe: Maybe come to the Melbourne Rpi jam at some point? :D
[5:25] <bircoe> could do!
[5:25] <home> pi jam? sounds homosexual...to me
[5:25] <bircoe> I have to meet up with a work buddy one weekend...
[5:26] <home> jamming pis XD urgh
[5:26] <bircoe> somes always got to make it sexual!
[5:26] <home> nvm
[5:26] <home> bircoe: dont go
[5:26] <home> bircoe: its where all the city boys are at...
[5:26] <bircoe> I know...
[5:27] <bircoe> when I need to speak to the Melbourne office guys I can never get em on the phone... they're always at the cafe sipping on their latte's
[5:27] <Crenn-NAS> bircoe: Yep, sounds about right
[5:29] <bircoe> Going to test my new FLuke clamp multimeter
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[5:30] <Crenn-NAS> Need to get a decent multimeter at some point
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[5:32] <GirlLuvzerMac> Hello, how's everyone doing?
[5:33] <home> bad
[5:33] <home> stupid bodhilinux
[5:33] <criten> Terrible
[5:33] <home> I dont have a desktop for my pi
[5:34] <bircoe> Hmmm, with the AC going I'm drawing 13amps, 240v @ 13amps = 3.12kW
[5:34] <criten> GirlLuvzerMac: How are you?
[5:34] <GirlLuvzerMac> Yikes? Can't send you a desktop through the net, home?
[5:34] <GirlLuvzerMac> I'm not doing too badly. What's not working for you?
[5:34] <home> uhm
[5:34] <bircoe> home: I downlaoded this earlier, gunna test it out: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pwnpi/
[5:35] <home> bircoe: I also downloaded it, just make sure you have some of the tools needed
[5:35] <bircoe> want to see if I can use it to break my wifi key
[5:35] <home> bircoe: like a proper USB for wifi...
[5:35] <criten> What usb wifi adapters have you guys had success with?
[5:35] <home> bircoe: rasp pi is pretty good for portable handshake and other related capturing stuff
[5:35] <bircoe> Yeah I've got an ASUS N10 that works wuit well in Linux
[5:35] <home> bircoe: you can crack stuff later :D on other pcs..
[5:36] <home> I dont use usb wifi
[5:36] <home> I use ethernet to a router, that uses Wifi
[5:36] <bircoe> fair enough... that's next on my shopping list is a new Wifi Router
[5:36] <criten> Yea, that's how i would do it if my platform wasn't mobile.
[5:37] <bircoe> I'm a big fan of cables :) don't use Wifi on any device that has a permemnent home... only mobile devices
[5:37] <GirlLuvzerMac> I tried out a Retail + adapter (zydas 1211) but no success; I need to get a powered hub before I try again.
[5:37] <bircoe> the N10 works on the Pi's USB ports
[5:37] <bircoe> And they're cheap
[5:38] <bircoe> well cheapish
[5:38] <GirlLuvzerMac> How much do they run?
[5:38] <bircoe> start at $20 on ebay
[5:39] <bircoe> I think I paid $25 for mine at a retail store
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[5:40] <criten> bircoe: this guy? http://www.amazon.com/USB-N10-wireless-N-Transmit-Interface-software/dp/B003E6493G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1344742652&sr=8-1&keywords=ASUS+usb+N10
[5:40] <GirlLuvzerMac> Not bad? I'll keep that in mind. I was considering an 8$ one off mono price, but I don't know what it's power draw is.
[5:40] <home> bircoe: i am using a wrt54g
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[5:41] <bircoe> criten, yeap that guy
[5:41] <bircoe> <= WRT54GL here
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[5:42] <bircoe> got my eye on the ASUS NT-R16... 480mhz CPU, 128mb RAM, 32mb Flash, 2x USB ports and the 4 port switch is gigabit
[5:43] <bircoe> my favourite parts retailer has them for $115
[5:43] <criten> My friend was looking into that... It looks fantastic
[5:43] <M3nti0n> WRT54GL just dies a month ago here :(
[5:43] <bircoe> mines been going for abotu 5 years!
[5:43] <bircoe> had DD-WRT on it almost since I unpacked it.
[5:44] <GirlLuvzerMac> DD-WRT is fantastic...
[5:44] <bircoe> ZIt
[5:44] <bircoe> ...
[5:44] <bircoe> It's no longer being used for Wifi tho, using a pair of AirPort Express's
[5:45] <GirlLuvzerMac> My Airport Extreme is about 5 years old, I've been eying the newest version since it came out...
[5:46] <bircoe> I went with the Express over the Extreme cos the Extreme at the time had no Airplay.
[5:46] <bircoe> Still doesn't by the looks of it
[5:46] <GirlLuvzerMac> That's one thing that frustrates me with Apple? The "gifting" of features to some products when others go without for no sound reason beyond $.
[5:47] <bircoe> Yeah the Extreme vs Express is a great example of that...
[5:47] <GirlLuvzerMac> Have you looked into any of the AirPlay work by Erica Sadun? If you're running a mac there may be some things you could do to work around that.
[5:48] <bircoe> The Express has USB that supports printers, but not USB drives... I bet the hardware can do it, but they want more money for that feature.
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[5:48] <bircoe> I haven't yet no, been waiting for an Android app that can stream to Airplay.
[5:48] <GirlLuvzerMac> I'll bet you're right. Not owning an Express, I've never looked into any hacks to enable it, but I'm sure they're out there. I wonder what chips they run off?
[5:49] <bircoe> The Wife's mac and iphone handle the Airplay stuff
[5:49] <bircoe> I'd almost bet money that they are running a Broadcom SOC
[5:49] <bircoe> almost every decent router seems to
[5:49] <GirlLuvzerMac> Hmmmm?..
[5:49] * GirlLuvzerMac googling...
[5:50] <bircoe> Broadcom BCM4712KFB @ 200mhz
[5:50] <bircoe> Should be more than adequate
[5:51] <GirlLuvzerMac> I'm wondering if it's somehow possible to flash the Express with the Extreme's firmware...
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[6:00] <GirlLuvzerMac> Gonna go mess with my firmware? Disconnecting.
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[6:16] <hotwings> [20:41:47] <GirlLuvzerMac> DD-WRT is fantastic... <-- +1
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[7:21] <f8ba208e18> building a lego case is much more effort than I anticipated.
[7:21] <xiambax> telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu
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[7:26] <comradekingu> i hit 1125 MHz reliably on the CPU, but that was pretty much it within reasonable voltage levels
[7:28] <plugwash> hmm, /me wonder if anyone has tried pushing things to the limit
[7:29] <plugwash> and finding out how much voltage can be applied before the thing goes up in smoke
[7:29] <bircoe> it probably won't go up in smoke... it just won't boo tonce you've reach too far
[7:31] <comradekingu> Well, this is the second time i corrupt the memory card
[7:32] <neofutur> my limit is init_emmc_clock=50000000 arm_freq=930 gpu_freq=350 sdram_freq=500
[7:32] <neofutur> stable pi even on high load ( 4 ) during 5 days
[7:32] <comradekingu> If you bump the frequency above the treshold that happens. There is some leeway on increasing voltage, but i havent tried anything above 8
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[7:34] <comradekingu> Only thing i could find above 1gHz on the forums was a guy who claiimed 1150 is possible on 8, meanwhile 600MHz on the memory without any increase there
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[7:39] <plugwash> bircoe, well with enough voltage it WILL go up in smoke, of course you may have to force the voltage in externally to acheive that.......
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[7:44] <comradekingu> Who has gotten their pi to 1.2gHz, the only mention of that is the sheevaplug, which is an armv5 device, i have one, its slow in any comparison
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[7:52] <bircoe> plugwash, of course it will, but I highly doubt you'll get it to smoke using the config.txt file...
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[7:53] * plugwash wonders if the range of voltage values given in the wiki is actually enforced
[7:53] <plugwash> and if not what the real limits are
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[7:55] <Essobi> plugwash: URL?
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[7:57] <plugwash> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Overclocking_options
[7:57] <plugwash> over_voltage ARM/GPU core voltage adjust. [-16,8] equates to [0.8V,1.4V] with 0.025V steps. Default 0 (1.2V)
[7:57] <plugwash> but it doesn't say if the range of values given is a reccomended range or an enforced range
[7:57] <Essobi> Oh.. well.. IDK about RPi's but...
[7:58] <Essobi> On most motherboard's that's enforced in the bios. so... hack the bios and you can manipulate the voltages, out of spec.
[8:00] <acausal> "The Raspberry Pi config.txt file is read by the GPU before the ARM core is initialised."
[8:00] <acausal> what an odd system
[8:02] <plugwash> yeah the SoC in the Pi is more of a GPU with an ARM bolted on than an ARM with a GPU bolted on
[8:09] <Essobi> Hmm.. Anyone seen a write up on how to build an SD image from scratch? armhf in particular..
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[8:11] <bircoe> Essobi, creating an image is easy...
[8:11] <bircoe> http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/03/how-to-create-img-file-and-change-its.html
[8:11] <bircoe> what i want to know is how to creatre an image with mutiple partitions and setting the first as bootable...
[8:20] <Essobi> .... fdisk yo.
[8:20] <Essobi> :D
[8:20] <bircoe> I can't find a decent example of how to do this properly...
[8:23] <Essobi> hang on.. i saw it on the wiki
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[8:26] <Essobi> I want a f'ing tftp bootloader
[8:27] <comradekingu> Is there PXE support?
[8:27] <comradekingu> plugwash: you could just measure the voltage
[8:31] <Essobi> comradekingu: I wish
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[8:32] <bircoe> comradekingu, i believe core voltage is generated from within the soc
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[8:34] <plugwash> it is generated by the SoC but externally accessible
[8:34] <plugwash> and afaict you can disconnect the SoC's internal supply by removing an inductor
[8:34] <Dandel> comradekingu: pxe support is not supported but you can configure a kernel to use nfs.
[8:36] <comradekingu> i can confirm that the setting does something :)
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[9:34] <SLFCore> greetings
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[9:34] <vrodic> so can any USB hub work for more than two devices at the same time?
[9:35] <vrodic> i can use a webcam and a hard drive, but as soon as i add a keyboard, eth stops working
[9:35] <SLFCore> vrodic: The USB HUB must be powered with the help of AC Adapter also and plugged in to the Pi
[9:35] <vrodic> SLFCore, it is powered
[9:35] <vrodic> 3A
[9:35] <vrodic> 5V
[9:36] <vrodic> it can spin the mechanical 2.5" HD
[9:36] <SLFCore> does it recognize on the Pi?
[9:36] <vrodic> yes
[9:36] <SLFCore> so the problem?
[9:36] <vrodic> but i soon as i connect a third device, eth stops working
[9:36] <SLFCore> Oh
[9:37] <SLFCore> does the same thing happen when you try this out on another computer? (not raspberry Pi)
[9:37] <vrodic> i tried many combinations, using both Pi ports or just one (for the hub)
[9:37] <vrodic> SLFCore, ill have to try, but i'm not near the Pi ATM
[9:37] <vrodic> i guess it will work
[9:37] <vrodic> since this also "works" but makes the eth unusable
[9:37] <SLFCore> try it on a desktop or laptop with the hub powered by AC
[9:38] <SLFCore> can you view your htop?
[9:38] <SLFCore> there maybe more load on the pi
[9:38] <vrodic> SLFCore, can you personally use more than 2 USB devices on the pi?
[9:38] <SLFCore> I have tried 3 usb devices and it worked
[9:38] <SLFCore> no problems so far
[9:38] <vrodic> SLFCore, if yes on what hub and what devices?
[9:39] <vrodic> i suspect that maybe the "chatty" devices break it with any hub
[9:39] <vrodic> i tried to use a webcam, keyboard and a hard drive at the same time
[9:39] <vrodic> i didn't try with mouse, keyboard and a hard drive for example
[9:39] <vrodic> i'll have to try that too
[9:40] <SLFCore> Flash Drive & Mouse > USB HUB > Pi USB 2.0 with Keyboard already plugged in one port
[9:40] <vrodic> SLFCore, thanks i'll have to try that later today too
[9:40] <vrodic> btw its a DUB-H7
[9:40] <vrodic> from Dlink
[9:40] <SLFCore> Which AC adapter are you using for the Pi?
[9:41] <SLFCore> how much mA and V?
[9:41] <vrodic> its been stable with HTC with 1A on 5V
[9:41] <vrodic> with this adapter (usb charger for HTC Desire) it doesn't have power problems
[9:42] <vrodic> the hub itself can't provide enough for XBMC to work it seems
[9:42] <SLFCore> vrodic: For XBMC, i suggest you to try DarkELEC
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[9:43] <SLFCore> vrodic: http://darkimmortal.com/2012/08/darkelec-release-2/
[9:43] <vrodic> cool, i'm using raspbmc now
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[9:43] <vrodic> what distro is it based on?
[9:43] <SLFCore> Optimized OpenELEC
[9:43] <SLFCore> i to had problems with raspbmc
[9:43] <SLFCore> too*
[9:44] <vrodic> what kind of problems?
[9:44] <SLFCore> only the streaming
[9:44] <SLFCore> youtube never worked for me
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[9:46] <vrodic> ah
[9:46] <vrodic> i cant playback
[9:47] <vrodic> 1080P mkv on XBMC
[9:47] <vrodic> but 720P seems to work fine
[9:47] <vrodic> 1080P stutters every some seconds
[9:47] <SLFCore> i use omxplayer on one of my Pi with raspbian and 1080 is smooth ONLY when its on Network Shared Drive..
[9:48] <SLFCore> remember SD Card with lesser than Class4 has low read speed
[9:48] <SLFCore> if you are watching a 1080p video off a Class 4 SD Card then it is going to be laggy
[9:49] <SLFCore> and faster SD cards dont work with the Pi
[9:49] <SLFCore> which class SD card do you have?
[9:49] <vrodic> SLFCore, no, this was from a hard drive or through sshfs
[9:49] <vrodic> class 10
[9:49] <vrodic> i'll have to try another video
[9:49] <clever> can you read the class of the sd card from the pi?
[9:49] <clever> or can you only guess it from the performance?
[9:49] <vrodic> its rated class 10 and it seems fast to me
[9:50] <SLFCore> clever: I have never tried reading it from the Pi, you can see it on the SD card itself
[9:50] <vrodic> however, the playback was attempted from the usb 2.0 connected 2.5 hard disk
[9:50] <vrodic> and through sshfs
[9:50] <clever> SLFCore: dont see 'class' writen anywhere, is it hidden in the lasered code?
[9:50] <clever> hhm, thats silkscreen on a closer look
[9:51] <SLFCore> clever: which brand SD card are you having?
[9:51] <clever> SLFCore: not sure, got it from element14 with debian pre-installed
[9:52] <SLFCore> clever: then it must be written on Technical Specifications of your Order review
[9:52] <clever> MMBTF04GWBCA-WE D 01301000 218 Made In Korea
[9:53] <SLFCore> vrodic: http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#GPU
[9:53] <clever> SLFCore: nope, no class/brand in the email either
[9:53] <SLFCore> clever: let me seach for it
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[9:54] <SLFCore> clever: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/product/flash-card/detail?iaId=667&productId=7498
[9:54] <SLFCore> its a samsung
[9:54] <clever> yeah i just found that
[9:54] <clever> still doesnt say what class yet
[9:54] <SLFCore> yes
[9:54] <SLFCore> lol
[9:54] <SLFCore> stil searching
[9:55] <vrodic> SLFCore, i'll test, but im hopefull it can really do it at more than 4mb/sec from the usb 2.0 HD. unless it spends a lot of cpu time unpacking ntfs fs
[9:55] <SLFCore> vrodic: you are not connecting the Hard drive to the Usb hub and then to the Pi, right?
[9:56] <vrodic> SLFCore, it's the only way it works :) not enogh power otherwise :D
[9:57] <Syliss> why would you do ntfs?
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[9:58] <plugwash> presumablly the same reason everyone else uses it, it works with windows and it supports large files
[9:58] <SLFCore> i mean Hard Drive to USB AC Powered Hub and then to one of the ports on the Pi
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[9:59] <Syliss> plugwash true, i forget people still use windows some days
[9:59] * Syliss is a avid mac and linux user
[9:59] <SLFCore> vrodic: its class 4 - http://www.docstoc.com/docs/106380074/Cards
[10:00] <SLFCore> sorry i meant clever
[10:00] <clever> ah
[10:00] <dennistlg> syliss some people must use windows.
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[10:00] <clever> SLFCore: and the site wont let me dl the pdf wihout giving over my first born child :P
[10:01] <dennistlg> or do you know alternates for autodata elsawin bosch ESItronic and some other progs? ;-)
[10:01] <SLFCore> clever: hahahaha
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[10:02] <vrodic> anyways, anybody else using more than two non-trivial USB devices with the Pi?
[10:04] <dennistlg> have a working setup of: wireles mous keybord receiver pluged in pi hub pluged in pi in hub pi it self usb 2,5hdd and wifi stick
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[10:06] <vrodic> dennistlg, thanks i'll try to find exactly how it fails
[10:06] <clever> only usb problems ive had so far are lost key events
[10:06] <vrodic> my theory is that it's not the hubs fault but the devices themselves, but i'm reluctant to spend more money on another usb hub
[10:07] <Syliss> i know i know. Im so used to ext4 now
[10:07] <dennistlg> but my hub is power supli for the hub can delivery a lot of power
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[10:07] <dennistlg> 15A +
[10:07] <dennistlg> ahhh
[10:08] <vrodic> this one is 3A, and that should be enough
[10:08] <dennistlg> but my hub power supply can delivery 15A+
[10:08] <plugwash> My theory is the host controller is a POS and some device combinations happen to expose the bugs in it while others don't
[10:08] <dennistlg> what device powered from the 3A?
[10:09] <vrodic> the hub
[10:09] <vrodic> :)
[10:09] <vrodic> pi has its own supply
[10:09] <dennistlg> ok
[10:10] <dennistlg> ^^that should be more than enought
[10:10] <Syliss> i wouldn't power the pi with a hub unless the port supplies at least 800mAh. Even then. Only time i will is with the lapdock
[10:10] <vrodic> i'll test more combinations at home i guess and report to forums or the wiki
[10:11] <vrodic> Syliss, yeah, this Dlink 7port doesn't provide enoogh power on it's ports that are marked as charging ports
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[10:24] <Berry6510> Starting VNC isn't that easy for me, drives me insane
[10:25] <Berry6510> huh? reboot and it works perfect ;-)
[10:26] <Berry6510> that little tiny board... i am beginning to love it more and more... just perfect for my 'Raspberry Pirc' project
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[10:37] <dennistlg> for my first pi i have the plan to build a led cube 10x10x10 plus web/cloud storage server
[10:37] <dennistlg> for media it's to slow for me
[10:38] <dennistlg> secound goes in my car
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> 10,000 LEDs? Impressive...
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> oops, 1,000 - still impressive!
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[10:42] <Squirm> morning
[10:42] <dennistlg> 1000 think diffuse blue
[10:42] <Squirm> has anyone here used a touch screen with there pi?
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> what controller wil lyou use to drive those 1000 LEDs?
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[10:43] <gordonDrogon> it's a lot of soldering though :)
[10:44] <dennistlg> rgb costs too much in this size
[10:44] <dennistlg> ;-)
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> yea!
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[10:44] <dennistlg> pi + shift registers
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> wouldn't 8x8x8 be a better fit, or have to a 10-bit shift register?
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[10:47] <dennistlg> its only the size and the effect of this
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> it would be impressive.
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mXM-oGggrM
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> that's pretty cool - presume that's what you're after...
[10:51] <dennistlg> yes thats a nice cube
[10:51] <dennistlg> think i write a php file than to control the programs over web
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> meanwhile my I2C instn't working. think the chip might be worked.
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> *borked.
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[10:54] <bertrik> hm, 10x10x10 is already twice the amount of LEDs as 8x8x8
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[11:00] <gordonDrogon> ah right. turns out I bought a 23016 chip and not a 23017 chip. What a cock-up.
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> bother.
[11:01] <amkoroew> hi all, i just got my rpi and tried raspmc and openelec. but i have the problem that my rpi freezes after i navigate a few times in the menu. only the clock refreshes for a few minutes before freezing too. also my ssh connection got lost.
[11:08] <sraue> amkoroew, maybe try another power supply?
[11:08] <amkoroew> my hardware connected to the raspberry: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p636666_16-GB-Transcend-Standard-SDHC-Class-10-Bulk.html http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p684934_1-00m-USB2-0-Anschlusskabel-USB-A-Stecker-auf-USB-mikroB-Stecker-Schwarz.html http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p729824_Vivanco-iPA-1001.html http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p685337_1-50m-HDMI1-4-Anschlusskabel-Hi
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[11:10] <TheBrayn> does the power supply output enough power?
[11:11] <TheBrayn> the page only says 5.0 Volt
[11:12] <amkoroew> its specified with 5V 1A
[11:12] <amkoroew> and i have only that ps
[11:12] <TheBrayn> ok that's enough
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[11:15] <chithead> do you still have ssh connection after the first freeze?
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[11:19] <amkoroew> after the menu/ui stops i have ssh connection for a few seconds. but then i'm disconnected the clock works for about 5 more minutes. the leds on my keyboard for num/caps/scroll are still working after all
[11:22] <dennistlg> hast du noch ne zweite sd zum testen? Do you have a secound sdcard for testing?
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[11:24] <amkoroew> i have 2 sd cards and they are both good. i tested it with the wheezy image and it works nice.
[11:24] <dennistlg> ah ok
[11:25] <dennistlg> cant help have only wheezy
[11:25] <amkoroew> i know raspmc overclocks to 800MHz not sure about openelec. but i was not overclocking wheezy so i never tested it with 800MHz
[11:26] <sraue> amkoroew, OpenELEC dont overclocks, thats up to the User, not the distro
[11:26] <dennistlg> think you can test it. um auzuschlie?en das es daran liegt. (dont know how to write this in english)
[11:28] <sraue> amkoroew, i think it can be still a PSU issue, Vivanco is not the very best brand, so you cant be sure the output is stable... also because XBMC uses the GPU very much, even if its IDLE, so it needs a bit more power then a standard Linux distro. i use a Samsung PSU for the Galaxy SIII Phone, you can get this for around EUR20.- and this works
[11:29] <amkoroew> dennistlg ok werde es mal testen
[11:32] <chithead> so you have three freezes: first the menu freezes, then ssh freezes and then the clock
[11:32] <amkoroew> yes
[11:32] <chithead> if you can get at dmesg between first and second freeze, that might give a hint what is wrong
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[11:33] <amkoroew> sraue i hoped that i dont have to spend as much money for the psu as for the pi^^
[11:34] <amkoroew> but maybe i have to. are there some advices for psu as there are for the sd cards on the raspberry site. i think that would help too
[11:35] <chithead> it could also be that either the psu or the rpi is defective
[11:36] <chithead> since linux distro and sd card were already swapped
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[11:39] <sraue> chithead, swapping the distro between raspbmc and openelec dont tells much, both uses xbmc which is powerhungry on RPi
[11:39] <amkoroew> hmm just tried to boot openelec without keyboard. ssh was running then i plugged the keyboard in and shh connection stopped immediatly. should plug and play work?
[11:39] <chithead> ok that points to power supply issues
[11:39] <sraue> amkoroew, this sounds like a power issue
[11:39] <amkoroew> sraue i had wheezy too
[11:39] <chithead> do you have a different keyboard? (one that maybe consumes less power)
[11:39] <sraue> but wheezy works? it uses lesser power normally
[11:40] <amkoroew> wheezy workswith keyboard and mouse connected
[11:40] <sraue> you can also use the keyboard via a powered usb hub
[11:40] <sraue> if the keyboard takes to much
[11:40] <amkoroew> yes that is what i will try next
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[11:40] <Ryanteck> hi :)
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> morning Ryanteck
[11:41] <sraue> if it dont crashes without keyboard and it runs for a while and ssh is possible, then the keyboard uses to much power
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[11:41] <amkoroew> just got the psu from my sister for her samsung galaxy plus 5V 0.7A i'll give it a try
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> just plugged the dso quad scope into a Pi and it crowbarred the USB, but didn't reboot the pi.
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> however I had to ifconfig eth0 down/up to get the network going again. most odd!
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[11:43] <chithead> network is connected via usb
[11:43] <Ryanteck> crashed :S
[11:43] <Ryanteck> Tbqh im new to IRC
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> might be time for a spot of breakfast.
[11:43] <Ryanteck> 0.o
[11:43] <Lars-> well Ryanteck, u chat here :p
[11:44] <Ryanteck> I had bacon for breakfast :D
[11:44] <Ryanteck> Yeh I guessed...
[11:44] <amkoroew> ok after just one minute testing i can already say that the samsung psu wokrs better. for the first time i could open a menu point. with the other psu i just moved from videos to music and programs before it stopped working.
[11:45] <Ryanteck> Samsung chargers normally provide the full 0.7A needed ^^
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[11:45] <amkoroew> i will send the psu back and get some good one.
[11:45] <Lars-> bought myself a samsumg, 5v, 0.7a
[11:45] <amkoroew> thanks for all the help
[11:45] <Ryanteck> Im bad
[11:45] <Ryanteck> I just use my computer xD
[11:46] <[SLB]> your map thingy is cool ryan :D
[11:46] <Ryanteck> Thanks :)
[11:46] <sraue> amkoroew, if you are from germany or so, you should be able to get a samsung SIII psu in the mediamarkt for around EUR20.-, but take the one with 1A
[11:47] <amkoroew> sraue thanks for the hint. and yes i am from germany^^
[11:48] <amkoroew> bye all
[11:48] <Lars-> see ya
[11:48] <Ryanteck> Bye
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[11:49] <Ryanteck> Ugh i hate game design
[11:49] <Ryanteck> Im on the hardest bit at the moment
[11:53] <Iota> Coming up with a good idea?
[11:53] <Ryanteck> Kinda
[11:53] <Ryanteck> I know its either going to be hacking or sci-fi based
[11:53] <Ryanteck> Hacking is winning me over
[11:54] <Ryanteck> But the name is the hardest part for me xD
[11:54] <Ryanteck> And the best bit of it all is that im going to code it 100% on a RPI :D
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[11:55] <Iota> Call in Raspberry Protocol.
[11:56] <Ryanteck> 0.o
[11:56] <Ryanteck> Thats a great name :D
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[11:57] <Iota> Lol.
[11:58] <Ryanteck> Also
[11:58] <aykut> Hi Guys
[11:58] <Ryanteck> Wordpress Vs Tumblr?
[11:58] <Ryanteck> Hai
[11:59] <[SLB]> i haven't played much with tumblr but my feeling is that wordpress is way more customizable
[11:59] <aykut> For what ?
[11:59] <Ryanteck> A development blog
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> wordpress.
[11:59] <Ryanteck> Reasonably short posts
[11:59] <aykut> Wordpress
[11:59] <Ryanteck> Ok then :)
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> and you can get free hosting, or stick your own on a vps for very little.
[12:00] <Ryanteck> Brb
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> do they put ad.s on wordpress.com sites?
[12:00] <[SLB]> i think they don't
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> wonder how they're funding it then??
[12:01] <[SLB]> i also have one thing there and i haven't seen ads so far
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[12:01] <[SLB]> i guess by some themes and stuff beyond the free ones
[12:01] <[SLB]> not sure eheh
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> just found: http://en.support.wordpress.com/upgrades/
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> yea, so they sell you more space, more features, etc.
[12:03] <clever> how would i go about debuging audio issues over HDMI?
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[12:03] <gordonDrogon> plug in some speakers?
[12:04] * gordonDrogon really doesn't know..
[12:04] <clever> then its not over HDMI
[12:04] <clever> so far, all my attempts to play audio over HDMI made the tv lock up
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> the TV locks up? that's bonkers.
[12:06] * gordonDrogon liked it when it was just a pair of simple copper wires going into an amplifier...
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> I think your TV needs a firmware upgrade.
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> and 5 years ago I never thought I'd ever say that.
[12:09] <clever> HDMI audio works fine on the ps3, so i'm thinking the pi is sending an unsupported format
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[12:10] <clever> gordonDrogon: if i unplug the hdmi, the tv will recover instantly
[12:10] <clever> other then that, only power does anything
[12:10] <clever> but it locks up again when turned back on (if the pi is connected)
[12:15] <clever> gordonDrogon: dont see any firmware updates on the site
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[12:31] <Wizardskills> have you done the hdmi boost in the config.txt file?
[12:34] <clever> havent tried that, and the image seems perfect, only audio issues
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[12:39] <Wizardskills> there is lots of info on here about setting up the config.txt http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
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[12:41] <Wizardskills> however the boost command is "config_hdmi_boost=4"
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[12:45] <trumee> Has anybody tried running ices on pi?
[12:46] <trumee> i want to run icecast/ices on an embedded device. I tried on a openwrt router but ices didnt work. Apparently, the router doesnt have vfp. I was wondering if pi can do this?
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[13:08] <bertrik> Has anyone tried connecting a DVB-T stick on the raspberry pi for software-defined-radio?
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[13:16] <chithead> bertrik: yes, it works. but the cpu is not powerful enough for gnu radio
[13:17] <chithead> and frame loss is quite high
[13:17] <trumee> is there any fm tuner which can be used with raspberry pi?
[13:17] <bertrik> chithead: do you have personal experience with it?
[13:18] <bertrik> And what frame loss do you mean? USB frames?
[13:18] <chithead> I mean the rtl-sdr samples
[13:18] <bertrik> chithead: ah ok.
[13:18] <chithead> I have two rtl-sdr devices and an rpi and some openwrt devices
[13:19] <trumee> chithead: can ices run on raspberry pi ?
[13:19] <bertrik> did you see power problems with those sticks on the rpi?
[13:19] <chithead> the openwrt (atheros chipset) work better, even though they lack an fpu
[13:19] <chithead> no power problems, using the 5V/2A psu which came with my ultra cheap china tablet
[13:20] <chithead> trumee: what is ices?
[13:20] <trumee> chithead: i tried running ices on a buffalo (atheros) router, bit didnt work very well
[13:20] <bertrik> chithead: RTL2832-type sticks?
[13:20] <clever> trumee: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1700
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[13:20] <trumee> chithead: http://www.icecast.org/ices.php/
[13:21] <chithead> bertrik: yes, they look like the newsky tv28t in the compatibility list
[13:21] <trumee> chithead: it is an audio encoder to feed sound to icecast
[13:21] <bertrik> thanks
[13:21] <trumee> clever: ?
[13:21] <bircoe> it's got source code available, so as long as the dependencies can be met you should be able to compile it.
[13:22] <clever> trumee: thought you meant ics, ice cream sandwhich
[13:22] <trumee> clever: ah no, although google thinks the same
[13:23] <trumee> does pi have a fpu ?
[13:25] <trumee> chithead: http://www.t3node.com/blog/streaming-audio-with-mpd-and-icecast2-on-raspberry-pi/
[13:25] <bertrik> it has hardware support for floating point numbers as far as I know
[13:25] <trumee> somebody has tried sourcing with mpd instead of ices, and it lead to 80% cpu
[13:26] <mikma> i read that it's because the encoding icecast used was rough
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[13:27] <trumee> mikma: you mean the cpu usage can be brought down?
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[13:27] <bertrik> chithead: I was thinking of trying to receive 433 MHz On-Off keyed stuff with a cheap receiver module, but I thought I might as well tune to that frequency directly with SDR
[13:28] <mikma> trumee: let's see if i can find that text
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[13:37] <SLFCore> greetings
[13:37] <chithead> trumee: ices compiled fine here
[13:38] <trumee> chithead: you have a usb sound card to test it with?
[13:38] <chithead> no
[13:39] <trumee> chithead: problem is with running with a sound card
[13:39] <trumee> chithead: are you using raspbian?
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[13:39] <chithead> I am running gentoo
[13:39] <trumee> chithead: nice.
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[13:40] <trumee> chithead: you build on your server?
[13:40] <chithead> I am building directly on the pi
[13:40] * trumee also runs gentoo on his machine
[13:41] <trumee> chithead: wow, i didnt know pi had this much power
[13:41] <chithead> the rpi is very slow at compiling. you can use distcc to speed up things, but I haven't bothered to set up that yet
[13:42] <trumee> chithead: what about hardfp settings, is that in make.conf?
[13:43] <trumee> nice info, http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[13:43] <chithead> the hardfp stage3 comes with correct make.conf settings already
[13:43] <mikma> well can't find the post about the icecast and encoding
[13:44] <trumee> mikma: it wasnt this? http://www.t3node.com/blog/streaming-audio-with-mpd-and-icecast2-on-raspberry-pi/
[13:45] <mikma> nope
[13:47] <trumee> chithead: what do you use pi for?
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[13:50] <chithead> not much currently. once it is easily possible, I might use it as jtag master
[13:50] <trumee> one edge of a openwrt router over raspberry pi is that the former can survive power cuts.
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[13:51] <chithead> for the rtl-sdr stuff the rpi has turned out unsuitable due to its usb problems
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[13:52] <SpeedEvil> trumee: huh?
[13:52] <trumee> chithead: any idea if it possible to run a *readonly* root to minimise fs corruption on power failure
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[13:52] <SpeedEvil> sure
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> it's not impossible, but quite hard to make Linux run from a read-only environment.
[13:52] <SpeedEvil> or battery back the pi
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> best way to avoid FS corruption is to halt it properly, if possible..
[13:53] <trumee> seems quite a bit of work and not clear instructions, http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Read-only_root_filesystem
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> but I have to say... in over 18 years of using Linux I've rarly experienced really bad corruption of a server, and I've looked after 1000's of servers in that time.
[13:53] <trumee> how do openwrt achieve this?
[13:53] <chithead> trumee: yes, openwrt does this by putting the system on squashfs, and having a writable overlay
[13:53] <clever> i just use an fs with a journal and nothing can really go wrong
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[13:54] <gordonDrogon> you can, with care, separate the disk into more partitions - so root, /usr can be read only, and /var read/write.
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> or make sure log-files go into RAM.
[13:54] <trumee> chithead: is that possible with gentoo?
[13:54] <chithead> a journaling fs will ensure that the filesystem is always in consistent state. but not necessarily the data on it
[13:54] <SpeedEvil> clever: you are assuming things which are not true.
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> I build 'embedded' PBXs which run linux entirely in RAM - they do mount the flash device for storage of voicemail, etc. but that's considered volatile if the power gets pulled...
[13:54] <clever> SpeedEvil: such as?
[13:54] <trumee> gordonDrogon: i had a very bad corruption with reiserfs
[13:55] <chithead> trumee: possible, yes. but quite a bit of work, more than just installing openwrt
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> trumee, I've *never* run reiser - never will either. just say no.
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> SD cards do not support write barriers, so journals do not work well.
[13:55] <clever> SpeedEvil: ah
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> I dabbled with xfs once, but got what I felt was really bad support from their mailing lists, do dumped it. it's been ext2, 3 and 4 for me.
[13:55] <chithead> didn't ext3 have barriers disabled anyway to look better in benchmarks?
[13:55] <trumee> chithead: can openwrt run on raspberry pi?
[13:56] <clever> id think as long as you remount /boot ro, it should be fairly bullet proof
[13:56] <chithead> yes, since a month ago or so they have official support in trunk
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> I looked at building a Pi system with my embedded setup - the down-side is that it needs RAM - if the Pi had 512MB of RAM then it would have worked.
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> SD cards internally do stuff not at the behest of the os, and you rely on that code to keep the block device illisin correct.
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> illusion
[13:56] <clever> hmmm, and /boot is mounted sync already, thats about as good
[13:56] <chithead> if you are memory limited rather than cpu, you may want to look at zram/compcache
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> ... /boot can be r/o - jsut change the flags in /etc/fstab.
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> then you can remount,rw it if you ever need to when upgrading, etc.
[13:57] <clever> gordonDrogon: yeah was about to, but i think sync mount is just as good for my needs
[13:57] <SpeedEvil> writing anywhere to the card can damage any fs, if things go wrong
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[13:58] <clever> SpeedEvil: due to wear leveling?
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> SD card processors have bugs, and an crash, on corrupted by power fail storage, making the whole dwvce inaccessible
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> can crash
[13:59] <clever> SpeedEvil: what if the SD card power rail had a decent capacitor, and the main CPU shut off a couple of ms before the SD card?
[13:59] <trumee> SpeedEvil: you have painted a very bad picture. i guess openwrt is the way to go then with everything read-only
[13:59] <clever> would the sd card have time to finish its delayed sync before power fully died?
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> it doesn't know when power will die
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> in practice, it may work just fine.
[14:00] <clever> SpeedEvil: yeah, but wont it have a time limit on how long it can delay a write?
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> no.
[14:01] <clever> how do you properly sync the card to flash then, it must atleast have a sync command?
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> there isn't a standard, and it may do housekeeping stuff anytime.
[14:01] <trumee> chithead: does openwrt on raspberry support hardfp?
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> you leave it a couple of seconds after last write, and hope, pretty much.
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[14:03] <chithead> trumee: not sure, you'll have to try
[14:04] <chithead> mount -o remount,ro will ensure that no writes happen afterwards
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[14:08] <gordonDrogon> clever, I think the sync mount was an attempt to fix a kernel bug though - there was a very small number of cases where it might corrupt the FS even if you did all the right things - I never personally experienced it, so it might have been some timing thing...
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[14:11] <Ryanteck> Hi there :)
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[14:12] <clever> gordonDrogon: havent seen those issues yet here
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> clever, very few have, but I think Dom made a patch for the current kernel, or maybe the next one.
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[14:19] <Tz1m1sc3> no sd card in my pi, just at boot time
[14:20] <Holden> Hello... question: has anyone measured with an oscilloscope what's the maximum frequency and rise/fall times when doing something like "while(1) {GPIO_SET(4); GPIO_CLR(4);}" on a gpio pin configured as output?
[14:20] <mru> what does the data sheet say?
[14:20] <Berry6510> anyone installed a irc bouncer yet?
[14:21] <Berry6510> i am working in a Raspberry Pirc thingy
[14:21] <Berry6510> really nice
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> ok. pi booted - under battery power.
[14:21] <Holden> mru, was that question for me?
[14:21] <mru> yes
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> Holden, you can get a signal of aobut 20MHz
[14:22] <Berry6510> gordonDrogon: i used a 5000mah battery from A-Solar, it kept the pi running forever
[14:22] <Berry6510> ;-)
[14:22] <Holden> mru, tbh I didn't look for that info in the data sheet... I'll see if I can find it
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> Holden, you can better the rise/fall times by increasing the pad drivers.
[14:22] <Holden> gordonDrogon, oh good, 20MHz is a lot... I was hoping to get 1 MHz
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> Holden, the down side is that it will suffer from a lot of jitter as linux, the gpu, memory, etc. all interrupt the smooth runnings...
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> Holden, you'll struggle to get accurate timing even at 1MHz though.
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> Holden, good enough to clock out a shift register though.
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> Holden, not good enough to drive a 1-wire device IMO.
[14:23] <mru> what do you want to use it for?
[14:24] <Holden> gordonDrogon, well I don't need accurate timings, just sharp rise/fall edges and 20us periods would be enough
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[14:24] <gordonDrogon> suppose I ought to put some decoupling caps on the 7805 I'm using ...
[14:24] <Holden> mru, I have implemented a PIC programmer using the gpio connector
[14:25] <Holden> I have been using long delays just to be safe, but I'm gonna look at the signals with an oscilloscope and see if I can speed things up
[14:26] <Holden> I had a problem with storage time of the switching transistors, but I think that's fixed now
[14:26] <Ryanteck> How much do oscilloscopes cost? xD
[14:26] <trumee> Tz1m1sc3: you use a pen drive along with sd card?
[14:26] <Holden> they're pretty cheap these days Ryanteck
[14:26] <Ryanteck> 0.o
[14:26] <Ryanteck> Less than ??30? xD
[14:27] <Holden> well no lol, but I suppose you could get one in good condition on ebay for 100???
[14:27] <Ryanteck> :O
[14:27] <Ryanteck> Hmmk
[14:27] <Ryanteck> I wonder if you could make one with a Pi 0.o
[14:27] <Holden> 20MHz dual trace... or get a shiny new digital one for about 300???
[14:27] <Ryanteck> :O
[14:28] <Holden> well you could, using some fast a/d converter, but you're limited by the speed of the gpio then
[14:28] <Ryanteck> I don't have much money xD
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[14:29] <gordonDrogon> I got a DSO Quad 'scope for about ?160.
[14:29] <Holden> that's a good price gordonDrogon, do you have a link?
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/dso-quad-pocketsized-digital-oscilloscope-p-920.html
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> Hm. ?170, but since my company bought it, I'll get the vat back.
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> I have to say; it's OK,but ...
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[14:31] <gordonDrogon> I needed it for something a few weeks ago, but if I'd though then I'd have allocated a bit more for someting a bit bigger.
[14:31] <Holden> oh it's one of those tiny portable thing...
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> however for a hobbyist thing, I think it's OK. A bit fiddly to get the hang on the controlls at first, but it's working fine for me.
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> yes, portalb.e
[14:32] <Lasse^> I've seen someone make an osciloscope from an arduino.
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/gert.png
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> yea, arduino is fine for audio frequencies.
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> Hm. 7805 running a bit hot )-:
[14:33] <Holden> I've heard good things about this scope http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiY9R93XA1g
[14:33] <Holden> it's not that expensive either for an hobbyist
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[14:34] <Lasse^> gordonDrogon yeah, 7805 is not that efficient, especially not if the input voltage is high.
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> input is from a set of NiMH's at about 12V nominal.
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> A friend has this: http://cpc.farnell.com/gw-instek/gds-1022/oscilloscope-dso-25mhz-colour/dp/IN05496
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> which he is using for Spectrum debugging and repairing...
[14:35] <Hodapp> I'd like to find an old analog CRT scope.
[14:36] <Holden> I have an old Kenwood CRT scope... I really like it
[14:36] <buZz> i dumpsterdived an old kenwood :)
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[14:36] <gordonDrogon> I need it to drive a pair of 9v motors too.
[14:37] <buZz> 4 channel 100mhz
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[14:37] <Hodapp> I just need to keep my eyes open for one. I'd expect they aren't hard to find.
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> We have a Kenwood K-Mix...
[14:38] <clever> is it posible to build mplayer to make proper use of the GPU?
[14:39] <Holden> gordonDrogon, farnell sells that one for ??275, not bad...
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> phone.brb.
[14:39] <Holden> Hodapp, with everyone using digital scopes these days, if you are lucky you could even find one for free...
[14:40] <Holden> or for a symbolic price
[14:40] <Hodapp> Holden: Who said anything about paying for one?
[14:40] <Hodapp> :)
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[14:46] <Ryanteck> Hmm
[14:46] <Ryanteck> Ye, if i was to get one It would have to be made from arduino or pi
[14:46] <Ryanteck> Probs a pi as its cheaper than getting an arduino & enthernet sheilf
[14:46] <Ryanteck> sheild*
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[14:48] <Holden> Ryanteck, wait... I think I saw something very simple with a pic12f...
[14:48] <Ryanteck> 0.o
[14:50] <Holden> Ryanteck, there you go, saved a long time ago in my bookmarks http://semifluid.com/2006/01/31/pic12f675-oscilloscope/
[14:50] <Ryanteck> Wow thanks :D
[14:50] <Holden> total cost about 2??? I'd say
[14:51] <Ryanteck> Hmm will look into it
[14:51] <Ryanteck> In a way its one of those things where it would sit around too much i think
[14:52] <Holden> the rpi has a serial port, so you could write a simple C program to read the data and display it to a SDL window
[14:52] <Ryanteck> 0.o
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[15:03] <ReggieUK> depends what speed you want that think to work up to
[15:04] <ReggieUK> it's not going to be sampling at 20Mhz
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[15:22] <gordonDrogon> right. off the phone at last. my daft brother...
[15:23] <gordonDrogon> and I need a coffee!
[15:24] <Ryanteck> lol
[15:24] <Ryanteck> I need a tea!
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[15:26] <Ryanteck> hehe
[15:26] <Ryanteck> copying two google IO videos to my tablet to watch on holiday :D
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[15:27] <Holden> ReggieUK, nope, considering a typical acquisition time of 20us + a typical conversion time of 20us, you get a theoretical 25.5KS/s with a 20MHz crystal... then you have to consider the uart speed etc...
[15:29] <SpeedEvil> I note that hundred megahertz 16 bit ADCs are now available.
[15:29] <shapr> I need a wifi widget that actually conects...
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[15:29] <SpeedEvil> 20us sample acquisition time is so 1980s.
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[15:33] <Holden> SpeedEvil, it depends on the analog input model of the A/D ( http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/41190G.pdf , pag 47) there is not much you can do about it... plus we're talking about a $1 microcontroller
[15:34] <SpeedEvil> That is about a factor of 4 slower than I recall for most PICs
[15:34] <SpeedEvil> however, I am unable to look at the datasheet now.
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[15:38] <Holden> if you use an analogue source with a very low impedance (say 50 Ohm) you can get as low as 8us for the acquisition time... but that's the limit
[15:38] <Holden> no wait, that's 8us + 2us for the settling time, that's 10us then
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[15:40] * ReggieUK bought a couple of adcs recently
[15:40] <ReggieUK> 50mhz 8bit
[15:41] <dennistlg> gordonDrogon your tank is a nice project watching to it! ;-)
[15:41] <ReggieUK> I missed the bit that preceded the link to the pic scope
[15:42] <Holden> ReggieUK, http://srv.datagutt1.com/index.php?date=2012-08-12
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[15:45] <ReggieUK> there are some logic analyser clones on dealextreme that I believe will do an 8mhz oscope on one input about $44 I think
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[15:45] <ReggieUK> if you wanted something cheap
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[15:46] <ReggieUK> needs to be strapped to a pc to be useful
[15:46] <ReggieUK> but who would argue with a scope with a 32" screen :D
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[15:46] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[15:53] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, ah, the big trak - hm sadly when I took it to bits, I discovered that someone else had taken it to bits before me and it's missing a few key things - like the bits of plastic that hold the motors in-place.
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[15:54] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, so I'm working on a Plan B for Wednesdays raspberry jam in Penznce.
[15:56] <dennistlg> think 3g stick + cam +pi in a real car is nice also
[15:56] <dennistlg> driving with web browser :-D
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[16:02] <gordonDrogon> Hm. battery dropped to 4.5v, Pi crashed.
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> that didn't take very long at all. I suspect my batteries are knackered though - they've been sitting about for 4 years without a charge.
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> lets charge them again...
[16:03] <IT_Sean> yeah... 4.5 is a bit low
[16:03] <timg> knackered
[16:03] <IT_Sean> What kinda battries, and gow long did they last?
[16:03] <timg> who can spot the brit
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> I was somewhat surprised when the charger only took an hour to get them up.
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> they're NiMH's.
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> looks like fairly big ones.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> spot the brit? Oh, I say! What Ho!
[16:05] <IT_Sean> playing spot the brit in here is a bit pointless. you can't swing a cat by it's tail without hitting one.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> possibly; Howz it gaun? (from where I'm from)
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> I don't think they say: See you Jimmy? anymore though. I've been out of Scotland for some time...
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[16:08] <gordonDrogon> anyway, I don't particularly want to peel the battery pack apart to find out the cells - there are 9 cells, so I guess 1.2v each to give 10.8v
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> it measured about 11v when charged.
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> That is not charged
[16:08] <IT_Sean> I assume you are you regulating it down to ~5v, aye?
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> the individual cells are bigger than AA's.
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> Expect about 1.5V/cell freshly charged
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> yes, just a simple 7805 for now.
[16:08] <SpeedEvil> 10.8V will be almost flat
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Also - if you discharge that battery to under 9V, you risk reverse charging cells.
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> Discharged to 4.5V, you certainly have discharged one or more cells, and somewhat damaged it.
[16:09] <SpeedEvil> have reverse charged one or more
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> very probably, but hey - this is a 4-year old unit that I'd previouly used in an underwater torch for several years, so it's costing me nothing.
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> s/4/8/
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> it fed a HID bulb which still works fine. I loved that torch underwater!
[16:10] <SpeedEvil> Try running them through a couple of charge/discharge cycles, they may increase in usable capacity.
[16:11] <SpeedEvil> Stopping at about 9V though
[16:11] <IT_Sean> they might also be permanently screwed.
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> yea, I'll give that a go. I only need it to run for about an hour or less on the day though.
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> I do have a 6-cell AA holder, so I have the option of running out and just getting some AA's.
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[16:12] <gordonDrogon> the motors are 9V too - probably won't hurt too much to be fed from that pack. (they normally feed off 6xAA's)
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[16:13] <gordonDrogon> now to see if I can make an old LM290 work - I found it in my old box of bits - and I've no-idea what I got it out of - it's been used by the looks of it ...
[16:14] <Simon-> it was originally 12V?
[16:15] <Simon-> I don't think you want to keep using it at a lower voltage just because you've got something that takes a lower voltage...
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> sorry ,what was originally 12V?
[16:15] <Simon-> your 4.5V battery
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> I'm powering a Pi from batteries - just using what I have in the spares box, etc.
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> it was/is 9 x NiMH cells.
[16:16] <shapr> isn't that about 10 volts?
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> well, that's what I though - 9 x 1.2 = 10.8, but others here are saying it's supposed to be more...
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> what do I know, I'm not a NiMH battery export...
[16:18] <shapr> I'm almost certain NiCads give 1.2 volts, I don't know about NiMHs. Are they AAs?
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> slightly bigger than AA's.
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> each cell, that is.
[16:19] <mru> they are 1.2V
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon> it measured just over 11v when I charged it this morning.
[16:21] <shapr> Are you dumping that into the usb port?
[16:21] <shapr> does the regulator handle that correctly?
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[16:21] <SpeedEvil> If it's truly measuring 11V, when charged, then you have some major issue.
[16:21] <SpeedEvil> For example, several shorted cells
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[16:22] <SpeedEvil> NiCd/NiMH vary from 0.9 or so 'flat' to 1.6V fresh off high rate charge.
[16:22] <SpeedEvil> 1.45 is typical 'charged and left for a few weeks' voltage
[16:22] <mru> nominal voltage is 1.2V for both types
[16:23] <mru> what you actually get depends on the state of charge, the general condition of the battery, and the load
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[16:25] <SpeedEvil> 1.35
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> yes, nominal is the average voltage from 100% to 0% charged
[16:26] <SpeedEvil> 1.35 is typical the above should have read.
[16:26] <SpeedEvil> But If a 9 cell pack is measuring 11V just off charge, something is wrong.
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[16:27] <gordonDrogon> I'm dumping it into the 5V pin on the GPIO port.
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> via a regulator before you get to oexcited.
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> it ran the Pi for a couple of hours before giving up.
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> now I've discovered that the Lego rotation sensor is analog and I have no analog inputs to use. Bother.
[16:29] <mru> SpeedEvil: not if he measured it under load
[16:29] <SpeedEvil> true
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> I measured it off-load after I'd used it to light the light for a few minutes. Then I connected it into the Pi via the regulator, the Pi booted, I was happy.
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> The type of HID in the lamp I have doesn't like being turned on & off quickly, so I'd let it run for a minute or 2.
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> as I said, the batteries are some 6-8 years old - I used it most weekends for 3-4 years then it sat on my shelf for 3-4 years...
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> so it's no great loss to me if they're knackered.
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> all I need it to be is "good enough" to power some demos for 15 miuntes next week. And I can charge them between demos.
[16:31] <mru> might be a good idea to check each cell individually if that's possible
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[16:34] <gordonDrogon> I'd need to break the heat-shrink wrapper round the pack, and I really can't be bothered right now. It's not that important.
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[16:45] <Holden> mru, from a quick look, the datasheet (chapter 6, GPIO) doesn't talk about rise/fall times, maximum frequencies, VOH/VOL or typical sink/source currents... but I get very sharp square waves on the oscilloscope, so I think I can go as low as 10us with software delays
[16:46] <mru> are you looking at the software manual or the electrical specifications for the chip?
[16:47] <mru> there are usually two documents for any chip
[16:47] <Holden> this one http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
[16:47] <mru> one describes how to program it and can cover many variants of the same design
[16:48] <mru> the datasheet specifies things like supply voltages and other electrical characteristics that can vary
[16:48] <mru> like you might have a version of the chip rated for a higher clock frequency
[16:48] <mru> or with different characteristics on i/o pins
[16:48] <mru> it's quite possible bcm won't let you have that one of course
[16:49] <Holden> I see, but that's the only datasheet present on this page http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> The datsheet is comedically limited.
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[16:50] <SpeedEvil> As a comparison, a sort-of-comparable chips datasheet I have is 3000 pages.
[16:50] <mru> that's more of high-level overview of the chip
[16:50] <SpeedEvil> It's a little beyond the 2 page marketing PDFs. But only a little.
[16:51] <mru> yes, the full reference manual should be about that size
[16:51] <Holden> mru, I remember a forum thread talking about that, and some people complaining about broadcom not releasing a datasheet with electrical specification, pin diagram etc
[16:51] <mru> what is usually called "data sheet" is shorter, 10-50 pages, and contains all the electrical and thermal stuff etc
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> It varies what they call it, and is largely unimportant :)
[16:52] <mru> it is very important if you want to attach something to it electrically
[16:52] <clever> is there any way to get mplayer to decode in the GPU?
[16:52] <SpeedEvil> I mean, if they call it a datasheet, reference manual, databook, ..
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[16:52] <SpeedEvil> clever: no
[16:53] <clever> is there any GPU capable player other them omxplayer?
[16:53] <SpeedEvil> clever: See above discussion on complete lack of the datasheet
[16:53] <mru> yes, the precise name is unimportant, but most vendors use the same terminology
[16:53] <clever> SpeedEvil: i know the GPU firmware is closed, but isnt there an open api for how to talk to that firmware?
[16:54] <clever> or some userspace lib with a .h file?
[16:54] <SpeedEvil> Oh - right - missed that.
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[16:54] <SpeedEvil> probably, yes.
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[16:54] <clever> because the current player bypasses the whole X server and just renders video directly to the screen, fullscreen
[16:54] <SpeedEvil> But that is not running arbitrary codecs, which is what I took your question to be.
[16:54] <clever> it works even with X off
[16:54] <clever> yeah, i just want it to play on the gpu when the gpu can support the codec
[16:55] <clever> and handle windowed playback
[16:55] <SpeedEvil> I think it only supports direct screenpainting.
[16:55] <clever> but if you query X for the location on the screen, you can then order the GPU to directly paint to just that area
[16:56] <Holden> hey, general question about the channel: why do you have to be identified to join? a friend wanted to ask a quick question using webchat.freenode.net and couldn't... this will make it hard for beginners to come here
[16:56] <SpeedEvil> If you can do that, I would totally give you a free choice of any of the large rocks in my garden.
[16:56] <clever> *looks*
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[16:58] <SpeedEvil> Holden: And yes.
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[16:58] <clever> SpeedEvil: ok, first program was trivial to dis-assemble, lol
[16:58] <clever> SpeedEvil: omxplayer is a sh script :P
[16:59] <Holden> SpeedEvil, I wonder if that was done because people wouldn't behave here or what...
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[16:59] <SpeedEvil> I am unsure of the reason, and if it makes sense personally, but I'm not an op.
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> In principle, it makes identified users easeir to ban, if they misbehave
[17:00] <Holden> I know, but also discourage occasional users, I think...
[17:00] <trijntje> Hi all, I'm trying to setup nfs on raspbian, but it gives the following error: [warn] Not starting: portmapper is not running ... (warning).
[17:01] <trijntje> if I apt-get install portmap it says: Note, selecting 'rpcbind' instead of 'portmap'
[17:01] <trijntje> rpcbind is already the newest version.
[17:01] <trijntje> what's going on here, are more people having trouble setting up nfs on raspbian?
[17:02] <clever> SpeedEvil: ok, first problem, screen went to sleep
[17:02] <clever> ah wait, seems omxplayer wakes it
[17:02] <Holden> trijntje, I do not know the answer to that question, but there is also the #raspbian channel if nobody can help you here
[17:03] <mru> I've seen people banned here for expressing concerns about the hard dependency on binary blobs to do anything with the chip
[17:03] <clever> SpeedEvil: ok, 393kb worth of syscalls made in just about 3 seconds
[17:03] <Hodapp> mru: what? who?
[17:04] <SpeedEvil> If you want a truly open chip - Pi isn't for you. The bootloader isn't open, even.
[17:04] <clever> SpeedEvil: ok, be very carefull when trying to google lib EGL, lol
[17:04] <mru> the discussion got a bit heated, and perhaps off-topic, but banning the guy was a bit harsh imo
[17:05] <trijntje> Holden: thanks, I'll try there, that's probably a better place
[17:05] <Holden> trijntje, good luck
[17:06] <trijntje> crosspost from @raspberrypi: I'm trying to setup nfs on raspbian, but it gives the following error: "Not starting: portmapper is not running ..."
[17:07] <trijntje> lol, fail
[17:08] <clever> SpeedEvil: found a patch to add GLES to mplayer, but its not in svn
[17:11] <clever> SpeedEvil: the thread just took a left turn right away, about what GPL license he pasted into the top of the file, lol
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[17:18] <Exposure> configure: error: GLIBC requires GNU awk.
[17:18] <Exposure> anyone get that when building a toolchain with crosstool-ng?
[17:18] <Exposure> ofcourse i have /usr/bin/gawk
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[17:22] <SLFCore> greetings
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> is it actually gawk, or is it busybox/
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> what does --version say
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> mru, Holden the drive strength and slew rate is programmable on the pi's pins - the slew rate is set to 'fast' by default though and the drive strength set to 'medium'. Setting the drive strength to high will decrease the rise time if the load is capacitive or a lower resistance...
[17:27] <th3g33k> anyone here has instructions on running a 3g dongle with the pi/debian? is there a list supported dongles?
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> mru, Holden see: http://www.scribd.com/doc/101830961/GPIO-Pads-Control2 I've got drive strength commands in the latest gpio utility in wiringPi (not uploaded yet though)
[17:29] <Exposure> SpeedEvil: it is gawk
[17:29] <Exposure> SpeedEvil: trying it with svn support now, so it downloads a more recent eglibc
[17:30] <clever> ok, omxplayer can do audio over hdmi, wtf?
[17:30] <clever> all my previous attempts resulted in the tv crashing hard
[17:32] <clever> but the ui still sucks compared to mplayer
[17:36] <Holden> gordonDrogon, ah ok, thanks, that answers my questions. Although I'm sourcing only about 30us to drive the base of a bjt, so I should be ok with the default values
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> Holden, the limit really is 16mA ...
[17:38] <Holden> 30uA*
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> ok!
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[17:39] <Holden> and yes, but as that document explain, it might not be safe to source that much current from several i/o pins, because the 3.3V regulator wasn't designed to supply all that current
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[17:40] <dennistlg> anyone testet switching of 10+ gpio pins (output) fast on off? how fast all together can work?
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> Holden, yes - that's an issue, however I have driven 17 LEDs at about 10mA each... not saying that's in the specs, but it worked...
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> switching them on/off concurrently is tricky, but not impossible - you need to poke a 32-bit value to the set/clear register directly.
[17:42] <Holden> gordonDrogon, did you toucht the 3.3V regulator or measure its temperature under that load?
[17:42] <Hodapp> dennistlg: you get get to 10-20 MHz in user land, I believe.
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> Holden, no - I didn't actually consider it at the time...
[17:42] <Hodapp> dennistlg: see Code and Life - Benchmarking Raspberry Pi GPIO Speed
[17:42] <Hodapp> ugh
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> Holden, I have a Pi with 12LEds on it - might connect that up in a bit and check...
[17:42] <dennistlg> do you have a link?
[17:42] <Holden> gordonDrogon, you might have burned your finger if you did :D
[17:42] <Hodapp> er, see http://codeandlife.com/2012/07/03/benchmarking-raspberry-pi-gpio-speed/
[17:42] <Hodapp> it copied link text by mistake
[17:43] <dennistlg> thx!
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[17:44] <gordonDrogon> I did some tests in wiringPi - I can execute about 20 million digitalWrite's /second, so that would generate a 10MHz signal.
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[17:44] <Hodapp> I hope to get a chance to hack around on my bit-banged SPI for the ShiftBrite in a few hours here
[17:44] <Hodapp> it's partially working
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> but you have no hope whateosever of accurate timing at those speeds from user-land...
[17:45] <clever> gordonDrogon: your best bet would be a kernel timer and a custom ioctl to schedule when the state change should happen
[17:45] <Hodapp> what's involved in a custom ioctl?
[17:45] <clever> but even that would have some latency/jitter
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[17:46] <clever> Hodapp: usualy just a custom character device node with the ioctl function filled in
[17:46] <dennistlg> ok think thats fast enought to switch the flip flops on 13 gpio pins for my led cube
[17:46] <clever> Hodapp: every character device has a function pointer structure to define how to handle each syscall (close, read, write, seek, ioctl)
[17:46] <gordonDrogon> clever, sure, but I'm really not intersted in trying to use the Pi as a proper real-time controller - it's just not going to work that well - good for demonstrating principles, but use someting designed for that in the real-world.
[17:46] <clever> gordonDrogon: yeah, would be better to hardware SPI to a uC that then does the real timing
[17:47] <Hodapp> clever: but you have to venture into kernel space to make a custom one, don't you?
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> clever, and use the Pi as an overall top-level control type of thing.
[17:47] <clever> Hodapp: yep
[17:47] <clever> Hodapp: google for 'LDD3'
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> there is a lot we can do on the Pi though - I was quite impressed with my multiplexed LEDs - but even those suffer from the very occasional flicker when driven in high priority/real-time mode.
[17:48] <dennistlg> i know i can use a atmega but thats not funny ^^
[17:48] <dennistlg> think should work well enought with pi
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/7-segment-led-display-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[17:48] <Hodapp> might be interesting though to make an environment to kind of treat the RPi like an Arduino... minimal/no OS, mainly microcontroller functionality
[17:48] <Hodapp> kind of defeats a lot of it, but it's cheap.
[17:49] <clever> Hodapp: you likely want chapters 1, 2, 3, 6, and 7
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[17:49] <clever> Hodapp: not sure where, but i found the whole book in PDF
[17:49] <clever> hardest part would be getting the .config for the running kernel, *looks*
[17:50] <clever> ah, perfect, /proc/config.gz
[17:50] <clever> now i just need the source, *looks*
[17:51] <clever> Hodapp: if the .config and source match within a certain range, then the modules will be binary compatible, and you wont need to rebuild the kernel
[17:51] <clever> so you can leave the kernel as-is
[17:52] <clever> and the kernel will probly never auto-load your module (enless you claim to handle a pci device or usb device maybe)
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[17:53] <clever> so a simple reboot will solve any issues you may cause
[17:56] <clever> that only leaves interfacing with the gpio from kernel mode, theres probly a standard interface already setup
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[17:58] <Hodapp> clever: Most likely. Luckily for me, I can do all this SPI bit-banging from user land.
[17:59] <clever> Hodapp: you can do hardware spi from userland
[17:59] <Hodapp> I need "SPI", not SPI.
[17:59] <clever> ?
[18:00] <Hodapp> It's SPI plus a latch line that I need to be able to toggle in between clock pulses.
[18:00] <clever> thats new to me, http://www.bootc.net/projects/raspberry-pi-kernel/#Using_SPI_or_I2C
[18:00] <clever> ah
[18:00] <clever> Hodapp: would the chip select line inverted do?
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[18:01] <Hodapp> clever: The problem is that the only control I have over CE0/CE1 is indirect, via whether I send data to /dev/spidev0.0 or /dev/spidev0.1.
[18:01] <Hodapp> and then I have no hope of being able to do this faster than a clock pulse.
[18:01] <clever> but does it de-activate the line when its done transmiting, or between bytes?
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[18:04] <Hodapp> clever: It's between bytes, I believe.
[18:05] <clever> Hodapp: and which style does your device need?
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[18:05] <clever> activate latch at the end of the whole string of bits?
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[18:07] <Hodapp> clever: No, my device needs the latch to be between clock pulses.
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[18:07] <clever> Hodapp: not sure how to do it via hardware then
[18:09] <miceiken> any of you guys been running like sickbeard or sabnzbd?
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[18:14] <wizardskills> hi guys
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[18:16] <Hodapp> clever: I'm already doing it via bit-banging
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[18:19] <wizardskills> is there a version of rhythmbox (Or something similar) for the pi yet?
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[18:22] <Alt_of_Ctrl> hello
[18:23] <Alt_of_Ctrl> anyone using a rca cable to connect to a tv?
[18:23] <Alt_of_Ctrl> with problems on xorg setup?
[18:24] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i get 640x480 resolution
[18:24] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but the X is very slow
[18:25] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i'am using fbdev driver
[18:25] <Alt_of_Ctrl> on xorg
[18:25] <Alt_of_Ctrl> must be something worng
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[18:28] <SLFCore> Alt_of_Ctrl: which distro you using?
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[18:28] <Alt_of_Ctrl> armedslack 13.37
[18:29] <SLFCore> have you tried raspbian?
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[18:29] <Alt_of_Ctrl> no
[18:29] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i like slackware
[18:29] <Criten> Hey guys
[18:30] <SLFCore> but the arm slackware is not provided by the official raspberry community...its obvious that you might face problems
[18:30] <Criten> Yea... for now you're best off just going with something fully supported.
[18:30] <Alt_of_Ctrl> yes i know
[18:30] <Criten> If you need to go looking for support.
[18:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and about power supply
[18:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> what u are using?
[18:31] <SLFCore> i use slackware i686 on one of my notebooks 13.37..never tried the armdslack on the pi though
[18:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i have a wall charger 220V to USN
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[18:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> USB
[18:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[18:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and USB -> mini usb cable
[18:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i connect the charger
[18:32] <Alt_of_Ctrl> the power led lights up and the ok flash one time
[18:32] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and don't boot
[18:32] <Alt_of_Ctrl> disconnect and connect again the carger
[18:32] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and rpi boots
[18:32] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i have take voltages values
[18:33] <Alt_of_Ctrl> 4.9 on first time when the rpi dont boot
[18:33] <Alt_of_Ctrl> 4.65 when it is booting already
[18:33] <SLFCore> how much mA?
[18:33] <Alt_of_Ctrl> the charger have a output of 5V 1 A
[18:33] <wizardskills> i wouldnt use a computers usb port to power the pi
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[18:34] <Alt_of_Ctrl> my ZTE Blade charger with 5V 700mA make the pi boot since is connected
[18:34] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but i have a usb hub
[18:34] <SLFCore> any fluctuations with that?
[18:34] <Alt_of_Ctrl> so the 700mA would be enought
[18:34] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i dont know
[18:34] <Alt_of_Ctrl> my charger is goog
[18:34] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but...
[18:34] <Alt_of_Ctrl> good
[18:34] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[18:35] <SLFCore> i use an 800mA charger for my Pi and had no problems so far with everything connected to it except the Composite cable and the Audio jack in (i use HDMI instead)
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[18:35] <Alt_of_Ctrl> the rpi is working but i have afraid to damage something
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[18:35] <Alt_of_Ctrl> my rca cable works fine
[18:36] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but the screen resolution sucks
[18:36] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i am using openbxo
[18:36] <Alt_of_Ctrl> openbox
[18:36] <SLFCore> have you tried creating your own xorg.conf?
[18:36] <Alt_of_Ctrl> openbox + tint2 + conky
[18:36] <Alt_of_Ctrl> SLFCore: of course
[18:36] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i am doing that
[18:36] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[18:36] <SLFCore> still slow?
[18:36] <Alt_of_Ctrl> yes
[18:36] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i think is because the fbdev driver
[18:37] <SLFCore> the official raspberry pi distro's are very well optimized...i think you should go for those instead
[18:37] <Alt_of_Ctrl> the rpi is different
[18:37] <SLFCore> which fbdev driver are you using?
[18:37] <Alt_of_Ctrl> it has any xorg.conf?
[18:37] <SLFCore> yes all
[18:38] <Alt_of_Ctrl> it is possible view that files?
[18:38] <xiambax> telnet miku.acm.uiuc.edu <--- i dare you guys
[18:38] <Alt_of_Ctrl> the settings will be great
[18:39] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i mention the raspbian
[18:39] <Alt_of_Ctrl> it is debian based
[18:39] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i will take a look on that
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[18:40] <SLFCore> Alt_of_Ctrl: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/948/what-would-a-default-xorg-conf-look-like
[18:40] <Alt_of_Ctrl> SLFCore: lol! I am using that
[18:40] <Alt_of_Ctrl> thanks
[18:40] <SLFCore> lol np though
[18:41] <Alt_of_Ctrl> the gpu from the rpi
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[18:41] <SLFCore> but wait, there is no problem by the xorf.conf
[18:41] <SLFCore> ixorg.conf*
[18:41] <SLFCore> im sure it has something to do with the drivers
[18:41] <Alt_of_Ctrl> yes
[18:41] <Alt_of_Ctrl> the gpu of rpi
[18:42] <Alt_of_Ctrl> what is it?
[18:42] <Alt_of_Ctrl> the name of it
[18:42] <SLFCore> let me find out for you
[18:42] <Criten> it's some broadcom chip
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[18:42] <SLFCore> Alt_of_Ctrl: http://www.broadcom.com/products/BCM2835
[18:43] <Alt_of_Ctrl> my idea
[18:43] <Alt_of_Ctrl> is to have a really cheap computer
[18:43] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i am using a card box
[18:44] <Alt_of_Ctrl> to show to kids
[18:44] <SLFCore> you know what would a better idea for your pi? just install raspbian lol...just saying
[18:44] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i'am from portugal! And most of peaple that have HDMI tvs
[18:44] <Alt_of_Ctrl> on her rooms
[18:44] <Alt_of_Ctrl> their
[18:44] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i'am a slackware guy
[18:44] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[18:45] <SLFCore> i understand
[18:45] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but i will get this thing working
[18:45] <Alt_of_Ctrl> pacience and time
[18:45] <SLFCore> :)
[18:45] <Alt_of_Ctrl> openbox is working
[18:45] * ka6sox is now known as ka6sox-away
[18:45] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but is slow...
[18:45] <SLFCore> i think it would be better to ask #slackware on this issue
[18:45] <Alt_of_Ctrl> u should see the xscreensaver
[18:45] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[18:46] <SLFCore> i use LXDE for me
[18:46] <SLFCore> i know openbox would be better though
[18:46] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i use openbox in all my machines
[18:46] <Alt_of_Ctrl> only my mother computers use xfce
[18:46] <Alt_of_Ctrl> she loves it
[18:47] <Alt_of_Ctrl> when she boots to windows 7
[18:47] <Alt_of_Ctrl> to use office
[18:47] <Alt_of_Ctrl> she feels kind of lost
[18:47] <Alt_of_Ctrl> xfce is very simple to use
[18:47] <SLFCore> lol this is the first time hear windows 7 is confusing lol
[18:48] <Alt_of_Ctrl> she never use it
[18:48] <Alt_of_Ctrl> she used XP
[18:48] <SLFCore> im having many issues with the slackware on my notebook though
[18:48] <Alt_of_Ctrl> then i build a machine for her
[18:48] <Alt_of_Ctrl> p4@3ghz 1gb ram
[18:48] <SLFCore> dualboot?
[18:48] <Alt_of_Ctrl> with slackware 13.37
[18:48] <Alt_of_Ctrl> yes
[18:48] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but she need windows to use the office...
[18:49] <SLFCore> does the google talk with voice work for you?
[18:49] <Alt_of_Ctrl> I put a on old disk
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[18:49] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and that disk have windows 7 on it
[18:49] <Alt_of_Ctrl> dual boot
[18:49] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but she only use windows for office
[18:50] <SLFCore> hmm...which package manager do you use for slackware?
[18:50] <SLFCore> sbopkg?
[18:50] <Alt_of_Ctrl> slackpkg
[18:50] <SLFCore> i only used sbopkg
[18:50] <Alt_of_Ctrl> no
[18:50] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i use the slackbuid script
[18:50] <SLFCore> and where do you download the packages from?
[18:50] <Alt_of_Ctrl> from slackbuilds
[18:50] <Alt_of_Ctrl> sometimes i change the build script
[18:51] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i already used sbopkg
[18:52] <SLFCore> sbopkg has many outdated packages
[18:52] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but sbopkg is not in slackware way of doing things
[18:52] <SLFCore> yes i agree
[18:53] <Alt_of_Ctrl> u go to slackbuidls
[18:53] <Alt_of_Ctrl> get the script
[18:53] <Alt_of_Ctrl> change it if necessary
[18:53] <SLFCore> i do use that for some apps that i want to install
[18:53] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and build the package
[18:53] <SLFCore> yes i have tried that method out
[18:53] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but why u dont build them yoursef?
[18:54] <SLFCore> have you tried http://pkgs.org/ ?
[18:54] <Alt_of_Ctrl> yes i know that site
[18:55] <SLFCore> when i don't find the latest version of a software on slackbuild, i get it from pkgs.org
[18:55] <SLFCore> still the software never works properly
[18:55] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i prefer http://www.slacky.eu
[18:55] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but if u have the build script
[18:55] <Alt_of_Ctrl> u can change it
[18:55] <Alt_of_Ctrl> to build the last version
[18:56] <Alt_of_Ctrl> it's easy
[18:56] <SLFCore> yes but i barely spend time on that machine lol
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[18:56] <Alt_of_Ctrl> u don't use slackware as your principle OS?
[18:57] <SLFCore> no no...only debian
[18:57] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
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[18:57] <SLFCore> :)
[18:57] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i have on machine with windows 7
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[18:57] <SLFCore> slackware is a lot like gentoo
[18:57] <Alt_of_Ctrl> a asus eeepc
[18:57] <SLFCore> compiling and install
[18:57] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but i always use slackware on it
[18:57] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and my mom computer
[18:57] <SLFCore> i use fedora 17 on netbook
[18:58] <Alt_of_Ctrl> also have windows 7
[18:58] <SLFCore> i stil use XP
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[18:58] <Alt_of_Ctrl> also i have a NAS with FreeNAS
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[18:58] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and a machine that use mostly to view movies
[18:58] <Alt_of_Ctrl> also with slackware
[18:59] <Alt_of_Ctrl> let me see the computers that i have at home
[18:59] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[18:59] <Alt_of_Ctrl> 1- P3@500mhz 196mb ram SLackware 13.37
[18:59] <Alt_of_Ctrl> 2- rpi with armedslack
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[19:00] <Alt_of_Ctrl> 3 - Slackware 13.37 64 bits intel dual core
[19:00] <Alt_of_Ctrl> 4 - slackwre 13.37 64 bits i7 2600k
[19:00] <Alt_of_Ctrl> 5 - slackware again in a p4 and windows also wiht dual boot
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[19:01] <Alt_of_Ctrl> 6 - slackware and windows 7 on asus eepc
[19:01] <Alt_of_Ctrl> 7- FreeNAS on USBpen
[19:01] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i think that is all
[19:02] <SLFCore> Here is mine:-
[19:02] <SLFCore> 1. P4 with Antix M11 and Windows XP
[19:02] <SLFCore> 2. Dell Latitude (Intel Core 2 Duo) with Mageia 2 and Windows XP
[19:02] <SLFCore> 3. HP dv6 (Intel Core 2 Duo) with Debian Wheezy and Windows XP
[19:02] <SLFCore> 4. Pi-1 with Raspbian
[19:02] <SLFCore> 5. Pi-2 with Raspbian
[19:02] <SLFCore> 6. Netbook with Fedora 17 and XP
[19:02] <SLFCore> 7. Fujitsu (Intel Celeron) with Slackware 13.37 and XP
[19:02] <SLFCore> and plus one Sony Vaio (Core i3) with only Windows 7 Home Basic
[19:02] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:03] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i have also a laptop
[19:03] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i nice hp model that f*** the nvidia chip
[19:03] <SLFCore> lol
[19:03] <SLFCore> you P3 with Slackware can run everything?
[19:04] <Alt_of_Ctrl> I only use the CLI
[19:04] <SLFCore> hmm
[19:04] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and work on it using SSH
[19:04] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i have some wordpress blogs on it
[19:04] <Alt_of_Ctrl> just for test
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[19:05] <Alt_of_Ctrl> wheh i build it
[19:05] <Alt_of_Ctrl> *when
[19:05] <Alt_of_Ctrl> it didn't had a case
[19:05] <SLFCore> hmm have you ever tried it with some desktop environment?
[19:05] <Alt_of_Ctrl> to power it up i used a screw driver
[19:06] <Alt_of_Ctrl> no
[19:06] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:06] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i have no interest on that
[19:06] <Alt_of_Ctrl> that is a old machine
[19:06] <Alt_of_Ctrl> it could die at any time
[19:06] <Alt_of_Ctrl> it is 12 years old hardware
[19:06] <SLFCore> lol
[19:06] <SLFCore> i dont think it will die
[19:07] <SLFCore> old computers run just fine
[19:07] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but know it has alread a box
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[19:07] <Alt_of_Ctrl> sorry
[19:07] <Alt_of_Ctrl> a case
[19:07] <Alt_of_Ctrl> a cheap case
[19:07] <Alt_of_Ctrl> ?p?
[19:07] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:07] <SLFCore> lol
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> fwiw: that old battery is now fully charged and the charger has switched to trickle-charge mode and it's sitting at 11.9v.
[19:07] <dennistlg> have also hp but dv9 amd with 8400gs
[19:08] <dennistlg> 3 of them all died because gpu
[19:08] <Alt_of_Ctrl> 18:06:12 up 31 days, 6:08,
[19:08] <dennistlg> one is back to live
[19:08] <Alt_of_Ctrl> not bad
[19:08] <SLFCore> dennistlg: i too have a 8400M GS on my dv6 and got it replaced 2 months ago after 4 years of usage
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[19:09] <Alt_of_Ctrl> that computer have a nvidia graphic card
[19:09] <dennistlg> 2 are in a box and waiting for injection of new live
[19:09] <SLFCore> i closed the window like a retard
[19:09] <Alt_of_Ctrl> the cooler fan died
[19:09] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i had a big cooler from a pentium 166 or something like that
[19:09] <dennistlg> SLF have called hp but no waranty for my 3 dv9
[19:09] <SLFCore> u mean for the processor?
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[19:10] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and i'm using it on that nvidia card
[19:11] <dennistlg> personaly i dont buy a hp/compaq laptop again
[19:12] <dennistlg> with panasonic and ibm i have good experience
[19:12] <dennistlg> very good
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[19:19] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i like sony laptops
[19:20] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and i agree wiht dennistlg
[19:20] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i will not buy any HP laptop in the future
[19:21] <Alt_of_Ctrl> back to init 3
[19:21] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:21] <[SLB]> my acer laptop from 2002 still serves his purpose in all his glory lol
[19:21] <Alt_of_Ctrl> SLB?
[19:21] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:21] <Alt_of_Ctrl> are u from portugal?
[19:21] <[SLB]> eheh
[19:21] <[SLB]> no
[19:21] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but SLB is Benfica
[19:21] <Alt_of_Ctrl> or not?
[19:22] <[SLB]> no eheh
[19:22] <Alt_of_Ctrl> ok
[19:22] <Alt_of_Ctrl> all right
[19:22] <[SLB]> my name initials :p
[19:22] <Alt_of_Ctrl> ok
[19:22] <Alt_of_Ctrl> SLB is portuguese soccer club
[19:22] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and other sports
[19:22] <Alt_of_Ctrl> too
[19:23] <Alt_of_Ctrl> basket, volley ...etc..
[19:23] <[SLB]> yes eheh, figured when many people were asking me the same question :3
[19:23] <Alt_of_Ctrl> judo
[19:23] <Alt_of_Ctrl> in the olympics
[19:23] <[SLB]> eheh
[19:24] <Alt_of_Ctrl> u know Telma Monteiro?
[19:25] <Alt_of_Ctrl> she is from SLB
[19:25] <Alt_of_Ctrl> wins almost everytime
[19:25] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but fails on olympics
[19:25] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:25] <Alt_of_Ctrl> always fails
[19:26] <[SLB]> ah no i don't know her
[19:26] <Alt_of_Ctrl> number two on world ranking list
[19:26] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and Cristiano Ronaldo?
[19:26] <Alt_of_Ctrl> do u know that guy?
[19:26] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:27] <[SLB]> by name, am not a big fan of soccer ehe
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> right. hacked the big track rotation sensor into my Pi now.
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[19:27] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol ok
[19:27] <dennistlg> nice
[19:27] <Alt_of_Ctrl> anyone saw that video on rpi site
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> which one?
[19:28] <dennistlg> gordon do you have csi dsi things working?
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> eh? sounds like a TV program ...
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> i2c & spi ?
[19:28] <Alt_of_Ctrl> a guy using the rpi on control
[19:28] <Alt_of_Ctrl> he build a printer
[19:28] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> a printer - creative...
[19:29] <dennistlg> no the camera and display header (mipi dsi display csi cam)
[19:29] <Alt_of_Ctrl> http://youtu.be/RuYLTudcOaM
[19:29] <Alt_of_Ctrl> 8:50
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> oh those. no - the camera will be released - Gert is working on the interface & the foundation on the software.
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> I'm not aware of anything for the display interface though.
[19:30] <jaxdahl> looks like theo lympisc are all done
[19:30] <jaxdahl> er, wrong channel
[19:30] <Alt_of_Ctrl> anyone with a gertboard already?
[19:30] <Alt_of_Ctrl> gertboard is amazing
[19:31] <dr_summer> is there an irc channel specifically for arch on raspberry pi?
[19:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> arch linux?
[19:31] <dr_summer> yeah
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> I have a gertboard...
[19:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i think not
[19:31] <dr_summer> having a heck of a time getting my wireless adapter working
[19:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i'm using armedslack
[19:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and i'm here
[19:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> I've had a gertboard for a couple of months now...
[19:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i have a asus wirelss usb adpter
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> not really been able to put it to much use other than get the ATmega going on it.
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> which is what I got it for..
[19:32] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i will try to make it work today
[19:32] <Alt_of_Ctrl> gordonDrogon: do u assamble it?
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> Alt_of_Ctrl, no - gert sent it to me ready built...
[19:32] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:32] <Alt_of_Ctrl> :P
[19:33] <Alt_of_Ctrl> true?
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/gertfan.jpg
[19:33] <Alt_of_Ctrl> nice one
[19:33] <Alt_of_Ctrl> it controls a lego fan
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> it does.
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> or did - I've since pulled the fan apart.
[19:34] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but it does speed control?
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> the ATmega is reading the LM35 temp. sensor and the Pi controls the Fan speed via the PWM output.
[19:34] <Alt_of_Ctrl> ok
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> the program on the Pi is written in BASIC.
[19:34] <Alt_of_Ctrl> BASIC?
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> yes. want to see it?
[19:34] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:35] <Alt_of_Ctrl> BASIC? why BASIC?
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> because it annoys people.
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> and it's perfectly capable.
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> and because I wrote my own BASIC interpreter.
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pmeter.rtb
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> that's the BASIC program I was running for the Cambridge Jam demo..
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> it was a quick hack of something else, so there is other code in there I never bothred deleting...
[19:38] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:38] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i was on the rpi forum
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[19:38] <Alt_of_Ctrl> do u share that on rpi forum?
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> what forum - the raspberrypi.org ?
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[19:39] <Alt_of_Ctrl> yes
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> not sure where to share it...
[19:39] <Alt_of_Ctrl> programming
[19:39] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> I usually get laughed at when I mention BASIC :)
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> however I can boot a Pi into BASIC in about 6 seconds...
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> even riscos can't do that.
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[19:40] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i dont understand how u make that work
[19:40] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> what part...
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> protoboard: http://unicorn.drogon.net/pitrak1.jpg testing the original BigTrack rotation sensor (on the left)
[19:42] <dennistlg> nice video!
[19:43] <jcdutton> just joined, what video?
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[19:44] <gordonDrogon> ok. battery supply: ok, rotation sensor: ok. Do I build the robot base now or test the motors... might test the motors..
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[19:46] <Criten> gordonDrogon: Did you ever end up adding the flush to the library?
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[19:47] <Ryanteck> Woo :D
[19:48] <Criten> Wooo!
[19:48] <Ryanteck> 8-)
[19:48] <Ryanteck> Logged in via my pi :3
[19:48] <Criten> Haha sweet
[19:48] <Ryanteck> ikr
[19:48] <Ryanteck> pidgin works well :3
[19:48] <Criten> Anyone know of a good terminal based irc client?
[19:49] <Ryanteck> Erm nope sorry
[19:49] <dr_summer> irssi
[19:49] <Alt_of_Ctrl> irssi
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[19:49] <Alt_of_Ctrl> irssi + bitblee
[19:49] <Criten> sounds like we have a winner
[19:49] <Alt_of_Ctrl> and screen
[19:49] <Alt_of_Ctrl> u will love that
[19:49] <dr_summer> i recently switch from screen to tmux
[19:49] <Criten> Well yea.. screen is obvious for that : ]
[19:49] <Criten> dr_summer: what are the advantages?
[19:49] <Ryanteck> Screen went slow when I tried it
[19:50] <dr_summer> seems to have so more sensible defaults
[19:50] <dr_summer> easier to read config options
[19:50] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i had a crazy and maybe stupid and useless ideia
[19:50] <Alt_of_Ctrl> make a seedbox wiht rpi
[19:50] <dr_summer> and more actively developed
[19:50] <[SLB]> hm let me check my idling pi
[19:50] <[SLP]> 19:48:27 up 1 day, 23:13, 3 users, load average: 0.08, 0.03, 0.05
[19:50] <[SLP]> irssi via screen :3
[19:50] <Alt_of_Ctrl> with ssh
[19:51] <[SLP]> yeaps
[19:51] <Alt_of_Ctrl> ssh + screen + irssi + bitblee
[19:51] <dr_summer> tmux, most recent release: jan 2012
[19:51] <[SLP]> what's bitblee?
[19:51] <Alt_of_Ctrl> u have irc, facebook, gtalk, skype... etc...
[19:51] <dr_summer> screen: sept 2008
[19:51] <[SLP]> oh eheh
[19:51] <[SLP]> twitter also?
[19:51] <Alt_of_Ctrl> yes
[19:51] <[SLP]> cool
[19:51] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but is very confused
[19:52] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[19:52] <[SLP]> i can imagine :3
[19:52] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i prefer use tweetdeck
[19:52] <Ryanteck> ^^
[19:52] <Ryanteck> Hmm
[19:52] <Ryanteck> I need to install nginx next
[19:53] <[SLP]> what does nginx have more than say lighttpd?
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> Criten, yes, it's in, but I've not pushed out a new version yet. tonight or tomorow morning.
[19:53] <Criten> gordonDrogon: alright, cool.
[19:53] <Ryanteck> Not sure if I should compile it or use apt
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[19:54] <gordonDrogon> Criten, if you want: wget http://unicorn.drogon.net/wiringSerial.h and wiringSerial.c and re-make, sudo make install in the wiringPi directory...
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[19:56] <[SLB]> hm, can tmux split also vertically?
[19:57] <[SLB]> because i don't think screen can, at least, am not aware of it
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[19:59] <dr_summer> it can
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[19:59] <[SLB]> nice
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[20:00] <criten> irssi! Woo! haha..
[20:00] <criten> 13:57 [+clever ] [+Hoppo ] [+MAssEy ] [+Phosphate- ] [+streetuff ]
[20:00] <[SLB]> lol eheh
[20:01] <criten> if i get mentioned does it beep or anything?
[20:01] <[SLB]> criten
[20:01] <criten> It highlights the line. haha
[20:02] <[SLB]> eheh
[20:02] <Ryanteck> hmm
[20:02] <Ryanteck> I wonder what this does
[20:02] <mru> maybe a BEL character will beep:
[20:02] <Ryanteck> BEL
[20:02] <criten> It should.
[20:02] <Ryanteck> Fail
[20:02] <[SLB]> it's much customizable, maybe even too much try /set
[20:02] <Ryanteck> hmm
[20:02] <Ryanteck> Oh i forgot
[20:02] <Ryanteck> my pi hates audio
[20:02] <criten> wht's /set do
[20:03] <[SLB]> lists all the options
[20:03] <[SLB]> *settings
[20:03] <criten> do do i swap between channels haha
[20:03] <[SLB]> ctrl+a followed by window #
[20:04] <[SLB]> http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi/
[20:04] <criten> hmm.
[20:04] <Ryanteck> Hmm
[20:04] <mru> it's configurable of course
[20:04] <Ryanteck> anyone know how to get audio working?
[20:05] <mru> btw, this is awesome: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fi.iki.murgo.irssinotifier
[20:05] <mru> get a notification on your android phone when you're mentioned on irc
[20:05] <dr_summer> mru: that looks awesome!
[20:05] <kuhno> can u add other keywords?
[20:06] <mru> you can hack the irssi perl script to your heart's content
[20:06] <criten> Mention my name now
[20:06] <kuhno> criten
[20:06] <criten> Hmm.. I turned on the bell beeps but nothing
[20:06] <criten> : P
[20:06] <mru> irrsi can be configured to highlight on anything you please
[20:06] <kuhno> sound muted? :D
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[20:06] <criten> Oh... I dont have a system speaker.. that might be it
[20:06] <kuhno> channel-specific highlights?
[20:07] <mru> sure
[20:07] <kuhno> sounds useful :)
[20:07] <mru> and if it can't do what you want with the builtin facilities, you can easily extend it with perl scripts
[20:08] <kuhno> but my android is broken :/
[20:08] <kuhno> keep the tab open for later
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[20:08] <Ryanteck> Hmm
[20:08] <Ryanteck> Anyone know how to get audio working? xD
[20:09] <jcdutton> Ryanteck, it just works. You need to select where you want it output first, either audio jack, or hdmi
[20:10] <Ryanteck> Er
[20:10] <Ryanteck> Audio jack
[20:10] <Ryanteck> Not been asked :S
[20:10] <jcdutton> Ryanteck, try "speaker-test -c2 -twav"
[20:12] <Ryanteck> nope nothing
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[20:12] <Ryanteck> Hmm i wonder if hdmi will work
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[20:12] <Ryanteck> ooo
[20:13] <Ryanteck> Brighter
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[20:13] <Ryanteck> Nope nothing out of either
[20:13] <Ryanteck> :S
[20:13] <jcdutton> Ryanteck, is the "snd_bcm2835" module loaded
[20:14] <Ryanteck> Think so
[20:14] <Ryanteck> saw it load on boot
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[20:14] <Gaddel> hi, i just got my pi a few days ago. i was wondering if anyone could explain to me the requirements for what i can connect to the GPIO pins?
[20:15] <Gaddel> as well as the requirements for a battery pack
[20:15] <jcdutton> bit of googling: http://mitchtech.net/raspberry-pi-audio/
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[20:15] <jcdutton> for Ryanteck
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[20:15] <Gaddel> to my understanding the battery pack needs to output 5V, though i'm a bit confused about other peripherals
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[20:18] <jcdutton> Gaddel, it must be exactly 5V, the PI does not have much in the way of overvoltage protection.
[20:19] <Gaddel> jcdutton: thanks
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[20:20] <Gaddel> i also want to try and hook things up like a few LEDs or a single pushbutton, without buying a gertboard or other board. i'm pretty good with computers but don't know much about electronics
[20:20] <Gaddel> are there any specific requirements something like an LED or button must have?
[20:20] <Ryanteck> Sounds fixed thanks jcdutton
[20:20] <Happy0> familiar times
[20:20] <Ryanteck> I tought that the new distro fixed having to do that :L
[20:20] <Ryanteck> (sudo amixer cset numid=3 1)
[20:21] <criten> gordonDrogon: Do you have any experiance with joysticks and linux?
[20:22] <jcdutton> Gaddel, you will need a LED driving transistor. I don't think the GPIOs can supply much current
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[20:22] <gordonDrogon> criten, not standard joysticks, but...
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> criten, http://unicorn.drogon.net/adafruit.jpg note what's on the table...
[20:23] <Gaddel> jcdutton: to my understanding the GPIO can supply 3.3V right?
[20:23] <jcdutton> Ryanteck, they should probably use a enum alsamixer element instead of a int value, and make them appear in alsamixer.
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[20:24] <jcdutton> Gaddel, I have not used the GPIO, but that is what I understand also.
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[20:24] <kuhno> yes, but only very limited current
[20:24] <criten> gordonDrogon, haha very cool
[20:25] <kuhno> i heard you could also run the pi with 3,3v power supply only, 5v is only needed by usb
[20:25] <dennistlg> brb later guys. a little bit kernel building for samsung i9100 and sgh i777
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[20:26] <kuhno> i will try that by attaching a 3,3v supply to gpio 3,3v pin
[20:28] <Gaddel> also, is a ribbon cable needed to connect anything to the pins? is it possible for something to be only connected to a few of the pins?
[20:28] <criten> Gaddel: yea, you can just get the pin sockets.
[20:28] <Gaddel> ok
[20:28] <trevorman> kuhno: no
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> Gaddel, kuhno I suggest you stop now before you kill your Pi... really... just "thinking" that it will run at 3.3 and not needing 5, etc. is really not good.
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> but by all means try it, but you'll find that it does need the 5v too.
[20:29] <trevorman> 5V is needed for the SoC and the USB/NIC chip
[20:29] <buZz> DONT feed it 3.3v
[20:29] <Gaddel> gordonDrogon: yeah i plan on sticking with the 5V power supply
[20:29] <buZz> really DONT
[20:29] <IT_Sean> aye, do NOT put 3.3v in via the GPIO
[20:29] <IT_Sean> you will kill the pi
[20:29] <Gaddel> gordonDrogon: i'm just trying to figure out how to work the GPIOs
[20:29] <IT_Sean> you CAN feed in the 5v. The Pi derives the 3.3v rail from the 5v
[20:30] <Gaddel> i'm just wondering about how to power other things like an LED
[20:30] <kuhno> yes, i wont try it now, first understand the scheme
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> Gaddel, start here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
[20:30] <criten> Gaddel: you can use transistors
[20:31] <Gaddel> gordonDrogon: thanks
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[20:33] <Gaddel> gordonDrogon: is it feasible to connect 1 or 2 LEDs without the use of a separate board or device?
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[20:33] <gordonDrogon> Gaddel, if you are very careful, yes, but the tricky part is connecting the LEDs to the GPIO pins - one mistake and you can short 5v to 3.3v and it's bye bye my raspberry pi...
[20:34] <Gaddel> gordonDrogon: i'm kind of new to electronics stuff. do you mean unintentionally sending 3.3v in through the pin?
[20:34] <Gaddel> by "shorting"
[20:35] <criten> shorting is just making a connection between to spots
[20:35] <IT_Sean> he means that if you accidentally cross the 3.3v and 5v pins, Pi goes POOF
[20:35] <Gaddel> ahhh ok
[20:35] <Gaddel> how does that hapen exactly?
[20:36] <criten> accidently haha
[20:36] <IT_Sean> whadda mean?
[20:36] <Gaddel> if i set it up right that shouldn't happen, right?
[20:36] <criten> When you don't label stuff correctly.. haha
[20:36] <IT_Sean> if you connect between 3.3v and 5v, you kill hte pi.
[20:36] <Gaddel> right
[20:36] <IT_Sean> 3.3v stuff does NOT like being fed 5v
[20:36] <criten> just be carefull and you'll be fine
[20:36] <criten> Think before you do something : ]
[20:36] <Gaddel> ok. just so long as i match the voltage of the peripheral to the voltage of the pin it should be ok, right?
[20:37] <Gaddel> do i have to worry about other things, like resistors? (i don't quite know the purpose of resistors)
[20:37] <gordonDrogon> Gaddel, unintentionally sending 5v into the 3.3v pin - that'll kill the Pi - the power pins are right next to each other on the connector.
[20:37] <Gaddel> got it
[20:37] <criten> Gaddel, resisters with LEDs are to limmit the current, it is recomended : ]
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> Gaddel, see this: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> note the 3.3v and 5v are next to each other - also note the pin marked DNC (do not connected) under the 5V pin... that's also connected to the 5V supply - right next to the ground pin under it ...
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[20:39] <Gaddel> thanks
[20:39] <criten> To calculate the correct resistance value you can use this website. http://led.linear1.org/1led.wiz/
[20:39] <Gaddel> what might happen if i don't use a resistor?
[20:39] <criten> Gaddel: Probably end up burning out the LED
[20:40] <Gaddel> ok. so the point of a resistor is so that the pi doesn't send too much current to the LED?
[20:40] <criten> Pretty much
[20:40] <Gaddel> alright, thanks
[20:40] <criten> It's a current limiting resistor
[20:42] <kuhno> gordonDrogon: P1-04 is giving 5V too? I wouldnt need to buy new connectors if i can use pin 4 :)
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[20:43] <gordonDrogon> kuhno, it's labeled do not connect as it might change... so don't rely on it..
[20:44] <kuhno> okay, but for first tries... :)
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[20:49] <criten> can anyone recomend a decent oscilloscope?
[20:50] <mikma> nsfw, i want this: http://imgur.com/gallery/5oekm
[20:51] <Essobi> afternoon all
[20:51] <trevorman> you need to give a price range or I'll just say to get a good Tek scope :P
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[20:51] <criten> ~500$
[20:51] <criten> nothing to fancy..
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[20:51] <Essobi> mikma: I'd take shanking over IP as an alternative.
[20:52] <criten> Just for at home hobbies... I have access to a lab full of awesome equipment.. but just something i can just use for general use
[20:52] <trevorman> criten: the rigol scopes are pretty decent for the price
[20:52] <Essobi> criten: :D Nothing beats nice tools.
[20:52] <criten> Essobi: Oh I know haha
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[20:53] <Essobi> I got access to a FLIR... Came in handy inspecting insulation in a house without cracking open the attic.
[20:53] <Squirm> nice
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[20:54] <Essobi> Soooo... Anyone played with RS-485 on the rpi's hardware console?
[20:54] <criten> haven't had a reason to yet : ]
[20:55] <Essobi> Hmm.. Is there java for ARMv6?
[20:56] <criten> Essobi: For the Pi...? yes
[20:56] <criten> I only know that because i got the arduino IDE running haha
[20:56] <Essobi> criten: On the pi? :D
[20:56] <criten> Yea
[20:57] <criten> just do apt-get install arduino
[20:57] <criten> haha
[20:57] <Essobi> Hmm.. What jde?
[20:57] <criten> I'm not even sure
[20:57] <Essobi> probably not sun
[20:57] <criten> Probably not
[20:57] <criten> i'd guess openjde or whatever it's called
[20:57] <Essobi> ah
[20:58] <Essobi> what're you running on your pi OS wise?
[20:58] <criten> Raspbian
[20:58] <trevorman> Essobi: don't see why it wouldn't work. you'd need to use one of the GPIOs to control the transceiver though
[20:58] <Essobi> trevorman: right..
[20:58] <trevorman> in theory you can get the handshaking lines reassigned to specific pins in the expansion header but nobody has done so yet so you're on your own if you want the kernel driver to do it automatically
[20:59] <Essobi> trevorman: Most are 9-bit... I'd have to finagle something I think...
[20:59] <trevorman> look in the bcm2835 peripherals datasheet
[20:59] <Essobi> roger that
[21:00] <trevorman> if you want 9 bit then the mini UART is out as that only does 7 or 8. not sure what one is actually conencted to those serial pins on the expansion header
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[21:02] <Essobi> trevorman: that's what I thought.. I've got a 9-bit USB transceiver, perhaps I'll monkey with that..
[21:02] <trevorman> the main UART can't do 9 bit either
[21:03] <trevorman> 5,6,7 or 8 according to this
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[21:03] <Essobi> Derp. 9-bit's used in a lot of indistruial automation.
[21:03] <trevorman> looks like the expansion connector connects to the main PL011 UART
[21:04] <trevorman> I've seen people work around stuff like this by messing around with the parity bits and then trying to detect framing errors...
[21:04] <trevorman> that is a bit of a nasty hack however
[21:04] <Essobi> Soo... Raspbian a good starting point for a armhf?
[21:04] <trevorman> yeah
[21:05] <Essobi> trevorman: lol, yea... I've seen that too.
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[21:06] <Essobi> Hmm. Any special requirements to cross build for armhf?
[21:06] <Alt_of_Ctrl> what power supply are u using?
[21:06] <Alt_of_Ctrl> mine sucs
[21:06] <Alt_of_Ctrl> sucks
[21:06] <Alt_of_Ctrl> 4.64 V when working
[21:07] <Essobi> Alt_of_Ctrl: uhh.. got an 800ma.. Think it's for a kindle.
[21:07] <Essobi> Alt_of_Ctrl: don't use that
[21:07] <Alt_of_Ctrl> Essobi: but u take any values on the rpi?
[21:07] <Alt_of_Ctrl> between TP1 and TP2?
[21:07] <Essobi> nah, I didn't
[21:07] <Essobi> not yet anyways
[21:07] <Essobi> :D
[21:07] <trevorman> if you're measuring output of the PSU directly with nothing connected then you want 4.9V minimum and a maximum of 5.3V
[21:07] <Alt_of_Ctrl> mine power supply says 5V 1A
[21:08] <Essobi> I got a 5v 4a to put up on a header..
[21:08] <trevorman> if you're measuring TP1 to TP2 then 4.8V is the absolute minimum
[21:08] <trevorman> anything lower and the 3.3V LDO reg won't work properly
[21:08] <Alt_of_Ctrl> trevorman: i have a usb hub connected to it
[21:08] <Essobi> trevorman: good to know
[21:08] <Essobi> Alt_of_Ctrl: hub externaly powered?
[21:08] <Alt_of_Ctrl> my zte blade charger
[21:08] <Alt_of_Ctrl> gives 4.82 v
[21:08] <Alt_of_Ctrl> is the best i have
[21:09] <Alt_of_Ctrl> Essobi: no
[21:09] <Essobi> Alt_of_Ctrl: there's your problem.
[21:09] <Essobi> Alt_of_Ctrl: getting weird stuttering with the kb and mouse?
[21:09] <Alt_of_Ctrl> no
[21:09] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i will test it
[21:09] <Alt_of_Ctrl> again
[21:10] <Alt_of_Ctrl> wih nothin connect
[21:10] <Alt_of_Ctrl> even ethernet cable
[21:10] <Essobi> good idea
[21:10] <Essobi> test it with each thing fired up, seqentially
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[21:14] <Essobi> I think I'll grab Darkbasic.
[21:16] <Alt_of_Ctrl> still 4.8 with nothing connected
[21:16] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[21:16] <IT_Sean> 4.8v?
[21:16] <IT_Sean> that's not enough
[21:16] <Alt_of_Ctrl> yes
[21:16] <Ryanteck> Hai there
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[21:16] <IT_Sean> Need Moar Powah!
[21:17] <Ryanteck> Moar power!
[21:17] <Alt_of_Ctrl> this was with zte blade charger
[21:18] <IT_Sean> 4.8v is not enuf
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[21:18] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but it boots
[21:18] <IT_Sean> o.o
[21:18] <Alt_of_Ctrl> testing another charger
[21:18] <Alt_of_Ctrl> a ebay one
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[21:22] <Alt_of_Ctrl> this one gives 4.18V
[21:22] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lol
[21:22] <Alt_of_Ctrl> but it boots
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[21:22] <IT_Sean> O_o
[21:23] <IT_Sean> are you sure your meter is accurate?
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[21:23] <Alt_of_Ctrl> yes
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[21:24] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i think that one of the problems of this chargers
[21:24] <Alt_of_Ctrl> is that
[21:24] <Alt_of_Ctrl> they are connect to USB -> micro usb cable
[21:24] <Alt_of_Ctrl> that make the voltage drops
[21:25] <Alt_of_Ctrl> the zte blade dont have that
[21:25] <Alt_of_Ctrl> so it delivers more
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[21:28] <clever> is it normal for the ethernet/hub to be much hotter then the cpu/ram?
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[21:30] <bertrik> hm, the ethernet chip is indeed a lot warmer on my raspi
[21:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> the samsung galaxy 2 charger say that delivers 5V 0.7 A
[21:31] <Alt_of_Ctrl> lets test it
[21:31] <Ryanteck> Good Evening
[21:31] <Ryanteck> I am badd
[21:31] <Ryanteck> I run my pi off my computer
[21:31] <Ryanteck> works well
[21:32] <clever> i'm considering running mine off the tv
[21:32] <dennistlg> Alt_of_Ctrl sgs2 charger runs with no or only low poer devices
[21:32] <clever> hmm, let me see if the service port is powered all the time
[21:32] <dennistlg> power
[21:33] <dennistlg> but when you put wifi its not enoght
[21:33] <Alt_of_Ctrl> 5.05 V
[21:33] <clever> hmmm, service only port is switched
[21:33] <clever> good and bad
[21:33] <trevorman> clever: yeah. ethernet PHYs are generally quite hot
[21:33] <clever> good, i can turn the pi on with the tv remote, bad, improper shutdowns
[21:33] <Ryanteck> Im also bad
[21:33] <Ryanteck> I overvolt my pi
[21:34] <Ryanteck> Overvolt and running it from my computers USB slots. I should be shamed?
[21:34] <Alt_of_Ctrl> usb computer slots
[21:34] <Ryanteck> Badd me
[21:34] <dennistlg> have runing from usb to before i build my dc dc converter
[21:35] <Alt_of_Ctrl> can't deliver enought current
[21:35] <Ryanteck> Mine can ^^
[21:35] <dennistlg> pi wifi and logitech keybord mouse receiver was working from usb
[21:35] <Alt_of_Ctrl> or should't be
[21:35] <Ryanteck> Meh
[21:35] <dennistlg> should't be
[21:35] <dennistlg> but do
[21:35] <Ryanteck> All motherboards now try to sell the fact that they can charge mobile phones
[21:36] <dennistlg> anyway it is risky for the usb circuit in pc or laptop
[21:36] <Ryanteck> oops
[21:36] <clever> my laptop bearly charges my ipod, it will randomly (after a while) claim charging is not supported
[21:36] <clever> but goes back to charging if i reconnect
[21:36] <Ryanteck> well i can't find my charger
[21:37] <dennistlg> first usb ports on p1 maschines straight connected to powersupply 5v
[21:37] <Ryanteck> Thats good?
[21:38] <Ryanteck> Im too young to know what P1 machines were like xD
[21:38] <Ryanteck> I think my first computer was a AMD athalon 2.4 ghz
[21:38] <Ryanteck> with 1gb of mem
[21:38] <dennistlg> pentium 1 66-233mhz
[21:38] <clever> my P2 was only 400mhz
[21:38] <Ryanteck> My current is a 6 core :2
[21:38] <dennistlg> our pi has more power :-D
[21:38] <Ryanteck> :3*
[21:39] <Ryanteck> I saw someone posted on the RPI forums
[21:39] <Ryanteck> tape two pi together and call it a 1.4ghz computer
[21:39] <jcdutton> Essobi, what speed are industrial automation? Could 9 bits be done with bit bashing?
[21:39] <dennistlg> my first was an schneider system dont know cpu or modell number but think it was 286 or older
[21:40] <Ryanteck> 0.o
[21:40] <Ryanteck> I loved my first computer
[21:40] <dennistlg> under 10mhz i think
[21:40] <Ryanteck> Blame it for making me an addict today :3
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[21:41] <Ryanteck> hmm
[21:42] <Ryanteck> It would be cool if you could just cluster linux
[21:42] <trevorman> Ryanteck: the rpi is already technically a 1.2GHz device if you're following the logic of taping two of them together. it has two VideoCore processor cores
[21:42] <Ryanteck> Oh yeh
[21:42] <Ryanteck> apparently all cores add upto 8ghz
[21:42] <trevorman> you can and have been able to for many years. not worth doing it with the rpi though
[21:43] <Ryanteck> and awh :(
[21:43] <Ryanteck> I got a pi hoping to do some cluster project
[21:43] <Ryanteck> was thinking about running a webserver over them
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[21:43] <trevorman> idk about 8GHz. Broadcom say that there are two VC coprocessors and we run them at 250MHz. If you're adding up all the other parts in the GPU you might get that 8GHz.
[21:44] <trevorman> you can do it. it just isn't economical to do so.
[21:44] <Ryanteck> Sigh
[21:44] <Ryanteck> Hmm
[21:44] <Ryanteck> Whats the maximum overvolt level?
[21:44] <trevorman> it won't appear as a single system so you'd have many webservers and you'd need a load balancer in front of them all
[21:44] <Ryanteck> I overvolted mine to 6
[21:44] <[SLB]> 8 i think
[21:44] <dennistlg> http://www.computermuseum-ebenthal.at/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=126&Itemid=132
[21:45] <Ryanteck> Hoping to try and get 1.2 ghz one time
[21:45] <trevorman> 8 according to the elinux wiki but that is more of a "well they only give examples up to this range so don't go over. we don't know what will happen"
[21:45] <dennistlg> my first powwwerrr hardware
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[21:45] <jcdutton> Ryanteck, use exactly 5V, not 6, it will kill it.
[21:45] <trevorman> jcdutton: he means the core voltage
[21:45] <Ryanteck> Yeh
[21:46] <Ryanteck> I read that cooling it down would make it slower when overclocking
[21:46] <Ryanteck> Darn you pi!
[21:46] <Ryanteck> Can't run chromium S:
[21:46] <[SLB]> can
[21:46] <trevorman> you can. it just isn't particularly fast.
[21:46] <Ryanteck> Its not loading :S
[21:46] <[SLB]> http://hexxeh.net/?p=328117859
[21:46] <Ryanteck> I had it on before
[21:46] <trevorman> what [SLB] said
[21:46] <Ryanteck> Yeh i know
[21:47] <[SLB]> oh
[21:47] <Ryanteck> I had it running before wheezy
[21:47] <Ryanteck> its just not loading :S
[21:47] <Ryanteck> meh
[21:47] <Ryanteck> purging files
[21:47] <[SLB]> am on raspbian and installed it that way, not sure then
[21:48] <[SLB]> did you enable account sync?
[21:48] <Ryanteck> No
[21:48] <Ryanteck> Couldn't even load it
[21:48] <[SLB]> oh :\
[21:48] <jcdutton> Ryanteck, what are you trying to load?
[21:48] <Ryanteck> Think download corrupted
[21:48] <Ryanteck> Had to unplug router as soon as it downloaded
[21:50] <mongrelion> who's the guy that asked me to test xbian?
[21:50] <Ryanteck> Chromium
[21:51] <Ryanteck> nope its not liking me :L
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[21:55] <Ryanteck> ok clean install go!
[21:56] <Ryanteck> Anyone here play team fortress or any other valve games?
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[22:00] <Ryanteck> What!
[22:00] <Ryanteck> MIDORI SUPPORTS HTML5 :D
[22:01] <mongrelion> w00t?
[22:01] <Ryanteck> yeh w00t!
[22:02] <mongrelion> xbian is quite faster than raspbmc
[22:02] <dennistlg> aircrack-ng -S gives 80k/s celeron 1600 gives 443k/s
[22:02] <Ryanteck> Not bad
[22:03] <Ryanteck> Anyone mind filling out a poll for a game I might be making?
[22:03] <dennistlg> yes celeron have sse
[22:03] <Ryanteck> Im planning on making it 100% on a pi!
[22:03] <criten> Ryanteck: sure
[22:03] <Ryanteck> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGpOaGpqNHdGM1R0N2FweFdURnowd0E6MQ :)
[22:03] <Essobi> dennistlg: :D Use pyrit distributed..
[22:04] <dennistlg> i know pyrit and i know pyrit in amazon cloud^^
[22:04] <Essobi> dennistlg: I just fire it up on my home rigs.
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[22:05] <Essobi> dennistlg: bitweasil's new distributed ranbow tables is pretty interesting.
[22:05] <Ryanteck> 0.o
[22:05] <Ryanteck> It clusters :D
[22:07] <Essobi> Ryanteck: what does?
[22:07] <Ryanteck> Pyrit i think
[22:07] <Essobi> oh ya
[22:08] <Ryanteck> Hackings still winning 0.o
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[22:09] <dennistlg> last time i had runing on amazon ec2 ~50k pmk/s
[22:10] <trevorman> how much did that cost you?
[22:10] <Berry6510> anyone running a IRC bouncer on the PI?
[22:11] <kn1000> Berry6510, I was running Irssi for a while
[22:12] <kn1000> I just fit a hard disk, a sata to usb converter, a 5v 3a power supply, a 7 port usb hub, and a raspberry pi into an old VHS case
[22:12] <Berry6510> is that a bouncer too?
[22:12] <Berry6510> i think it is only a client, right?
[22:12] <trevorman> Berry6510: znc is in raspbian if you want one
[22:12] <dennistlg> nothing had runing on a other account
[22:12] <kn1000> Berry6510, I'd guess so
[22:12] <Berry6510> nice
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[22:13] <Ryanteck> hmm
[22:13] <Berry6510> i wass looking into sbnc but the development is laggy
[22:13] <Ryanteck> I don't get how the pi that mythic beasts have is setup so big
[22:13] <Berry6510> znc looks like a decent option to
[22:13] <Ryanteck> If done right its tiny
[22:13] <Berry6510> already had that in mind
[22:14] <trevorman> znc works well. i'm using it right now but not on a rpi
[22:14] <dennistlg> trevorman think coast ~40$ a day
[22:14] <Mlmmt> znc works
[22:15] <Mlmmt> im using it on my pi now
[22:15] <trevorman> hm not bad. EC2 costs really mount up fast but $40 isn't much
[22:15] <Mlmmt> took a couple min to figure out how to get it working
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[22:17] <Berry6510> i hope that i can knock here when in need of help... never used a bouncer before
[22:17] <Berry6510> ;-)
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[22:37] <AlexJ> Hello! brand new pi owner, looking for some answers, please
[22:38] <AlexJ> I read online that raspberrypi ..org is supplying a custom version of rasbian... but that lacks the hardware floting point support
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[22:39] <AlexJ> where can I get an image with the full featured rasbian?
[22:39] <criten> AlexJ: Just use the one off their site.
[22:40] <criten> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
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[22:41] <criten> If you are just starting just grab Raspbian "wheezy" it kinda... just works : ]
[22:41] <AlexJ> I saw some links on some 3rd party sites
[22:42] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions lists more available distros
[22:42] <Gaddel> alexj: i believe the latest version on the foundation site supports hardware floating point operations
[22:42] <AlexJ> aha..ok..
[22:42] <criten> There are allot of distrros that work
[22:43] <AlexJ> the image I downloaded off the site and put on my card only uses 2gb of my 8 gb sd card
[22:43] * SpeedEvil is waiting for windows-CE.
[22:43] <SpeedEvil> (not really)
[22:43] <AlexJ> can I make it exted to the entire card?
[22:43] <criten> yes
[22:43] <criten> when it boots it puts you through a config
[22:43] <criten> where you can do it
[22:43] <AlexJ> hmm...don't remember that... I'll redo it
[22:44] <AlexJ> ok..thanks :)
[22:44] <Gaddel> i remember reading that config option may only come up if the card is bigger than 4 GB. you may have to do an extra step.
[22:44] <criten> AlexJ: It's on first boot. It comes up with some config options
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[22:45] <criten> He said his card is 8gb so he should be fine
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[22:47] <AlexJ> aa..I found a strage thing...e read on wikipedia I think that the network card is FastEthernet... but mii-tool sais that eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-HD flow-control, link ok
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[22:47] <kn1000> hehe got my raspi, a hard disk, a sata to usb converter, a 7 port hub, and its power supply into an old VHS case: http://imgur.com/a/RD15r
[22:47] <kn1000> aint winning any awards for design but it works
[22:48] <criten> say Haha thats ugly on the inside : ]
[22:48] <criten> Looks pretty neat from the outside though
[22:48] <kn1000> hehe it did exactly what I intended of it
[22:49] <[SLB]> Berry6510, you may have your reasons to use a bouncer, but if it's only for irc presence, and you don't need to switch client from different machines, i found more convenient to use irssi+screen
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[22:50] <criten> [SLB], exactly what i'm doing now : ]
[22:50] <[SLB]> i used bnc's before when i used irc more, but bnc won't let you check the channel buffer among the sessions
[22:50] <[SLB]> eheh :)
[22:51] <Berry6510> i will try for the bouncert
[22:52] <trevorman> [SLB]: znc lets you do that. it'll replay the last X lines of each channel
[22:52] <Berry6510> thats what i am looking for
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[22:52] <Berry6510> and also hide my ip from the details
[22:52] <[SLB]> surely the bouncer would let you do different things, like configure different users etc
[22:52] <[SLB]> nice :)
[22:52] <trevorman> Berry6510: install znc-extras along with the base znc. you dont' get all the available plugins if you don't
[22:52] <Berry6510> atleast hide the provider
[22:53] <Berry6510> thanks
[22:53] <trevorman> like the log to disk plugin isn't in the base package for some weird reason
[22:53] <Berry6510> is there anything like webmin available too?
[22:53] <[SLB]> to hide the ip anyway you can just get a vhost from freenode
[22:53] <trevorman> Berry6510: yeah
[22:53] <RoTorIT> ahoy y`all
[22:53] <trevorman> just get the basic configuration and you can do the rest via the web interface
[22:53] <Berry6510> i am really getting into this pi thing
[22:54] <Berry6510> cool
[22:54] <Berry6510> nice a web interface
[22:54] <Berry6510> i install apache2
[22:54] <trevorman> you don't need it
[22:54] <Berry6510> is that necessary?
[22:54] <Berry6510> nice
[22:54] <trevorman> the web server is built in
[22:54] <Berry6510> ever better
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[22:54] <trevorman> just go to https://yourrpi:6667 assuming thats the port you kept it on
[22:55] <trevorman> it knows if you're connecting with a web browser or whether it is an IRC client
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[22:58] <[SLB]> hm just btw, E: Unable to locate package znc-extras
[22:58] <kn1000> so the list of things I've got the pi doing for me - XBMC, running a fully functioned web server with mysql and php, running torrents and a web interface for those torrents, serving the contents of it's hard disk to all devices on my network, and waking me up in the morning
[22:59] <kn1000> best ?30 i've ever spent
[22:59] <kn1000> ever
[22:59] <[SLB]> \o/
[22:59] <[SLB]> waking me up in the morning < coolest part lol
[22:59] <AlexJ> can I acces the config tool from the first boot on later boots?
[23:00] <kn1000> [SLB], It is soon to be
[23:00] <[SLB]> eheh
[23:00] <kn1000> designing a circuit so it opens my blinds and turns lights on and stuff
[23:00] <kn1000> these mini boards are the future - and I'm not sure the raspi foundation has seen that yet
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[23:00] <[SLB]> nice, the mystical power of gpio eheh
[23:00] <trevorman> [SLB]: its znc-extra. added an extra S by mistake
[23:00] <[SLB]> ah okies thanks :)
[23:00] <kn1000> just the power of a device that can be on 24/7 without having to worry too much about electricity
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[23:19] <r0cky> Hello!
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[23:20] <r0cky> Im having a funny issue. I set GPIO8 for input and its enough for me to connect a wire for it to become True
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[23:23] <trevorman> turn on the pulldown for that GPIO pin
[23:23] <r0cky> Its enough for me to touch it with my finger for it to be True
[23:23] <r0cky> trevorman, pulldown?
[23:23] <trevorman> its floating as you've not got an external pullup/down and the SoC isn't doing it either
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[23:24] <r0cky> I don't unserstand
[23:25] <criten> r0cky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pull-up_resistor
[23:26] <criten> This might be a bit easier... http://francisshanahan.com/index.php/2009/what-are-pull-up-and-pull-down-resistors/
[23:26] <trevorman> if you don't have a pull up or pull down resistor then the value on the pin is undefined. it can swing either way from interference or you adding that extra bit of wire. the pull up or down resistor will force it to a defined state unless something is actively driving it.
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[23:26] <trevorman> you can either add an external one or you can tell the SoC to do it by altering the registers
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[23:27] <trevorman> whether you want a pull up or pull down resistor depends on what you're trying to do and what is connected to it
[23:29] <r0cky> trevorman, Altering the registers is altering something on the software, right?
[23:29] <trevorman> yes
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[23:29] <r0cky> Cool, how is it done?
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[23:31] <trevorman> read http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
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[23:33] <trumee> anybody tried openwrt on raspberry pi?
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[23:34] <plugwash> maybe it's just me but openwrt on the Pi doesn't really appeal
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[23:35] <plugwash> the Pi won't make a good router and for non-router uses why would you want to use a distro that has been gimped to fit tiny flash chips when storage is not at a premium
[23:37] <Alt_of_Ctrl> [SLB]: the X is not hardware acellareted yet
[23:38] <r0cky> trevorman, Sorry for being such a noob. I don't understand the example
[23:38] <[SLB]> right Alt_of_Ctrl, but then i don't get the guide to compile xbmc, lets you compile it all and succesfully, and then we can't use xbmc because X is not accelerated?
[23:38] <RoTorIT> hey.. can anyone tell me how to change the keyboard layout to Norwegian in the RPI? uasing raspberian
[23:39] <RoTorIT> using*
[23:39] <[SLB]> RoTorIT, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[23:40] <trumee> plugwash: for my usecase openwrt is best. I need to use RPi in a place with lot of power cuts. So i need readonly model of openwrt
[23:41] <RoTorIT> [SLB]: cool.. thanks
[23:41] <[SLB]> yw
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[23:44] <Alt_of_Ctrl> [SLB]: I am still gettin more info
[23:44] <Alt_of_Ctrl> for now
[23:44] <[SLP]> nice thanks
[23:44] <Alt_of_Ctrl> i am using init 3
[23:45] <[SLP]> yes me too
[23:46] <r0cky> criten, Missed the 2nd link. Thanks for the good read :)
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[23:52] <Alt_of_Ctrl> after getting a decent PS for the rpi I will buy a new sd card a try others distros
[23:52] <Alt_of_Ctrl> maybe arch
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