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IRC Log for 2012-08-13

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[0:11] <Berry6510> why does the taskmanager show -1% on every task?
[0:13] <Berry6510> top shows corect vales
[0:13] <Berry6510> values
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[0:13] <plugwash> if we knew we would probablly have fixed it by now ;)
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[0:22] <criten> Woo! Got my 2-axis servo camera mount working : ]
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[0:23] <watchd0g> criten: which one ?
[0:23] <watchd0g> gratz!
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[0:26] <criten> watchd0g, I made it.
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[0:30] <NullMoogleCable> so anyone know when the webcam module is going to be available?>
[0:30] <criten> Nopers! But I think most webcams work
[0:30] <Tachyon`> there's been a protoype demonstrated but nothing else yet afaik (kupo)
[0:33] <NullMoogleCable> im wondering if the webcam interface would be better then using usb
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[0:33] <NullMoogleCable> like for live streaming
[0:33] <AC`97> whoa. lots of people here :]
[0:33] <criten> NullMoogleCable: In my gues it will be the same.. It's probably the same format in the end
[0:34] <criten> NullMoogleCable: I'm doing streaming right now with my webcam on the Pi and its working great
[0:34] <Tachyon`> ti's not really a webcam interface
[0:34] <Tachyon`> more of a camera module interface
[0:34] <NullMoogleCable> http://www.livestream.com/haxtormoogle
[0:34] <Tachyon`> the one they demonstrated was very high resolution
[0:34] <AC`97> 14MP
[0:34] <Berry6510> using a USB cam?
[0:35] <criten> Berry6510: ?
[0:35] <NullMoogleCable> im thinking of intergrating a pi to my reprap prusa
[0:35] <NullMoogleCable> and having it check the prints
[0:35] <NullMoogleCable> if its out of spec 15-20% it stops it
[0:35] <Tachyon`> err
[0:35] <NullMoogleCable> saving the plastic
[0:35] <Tachyon`> hrm, I did ponder a pi controllign all of it
[0:35] <Tachyon`> but was told it's not possible
[0:35] <Tachyon`> as it doesnt' have a real time kernel
[0:36] <Berry6510> criten: did you add a usb webcam to the pi or am i wrong?
[0:36] <NullMoogleCable> but it can be used to controll the printer
[0:36] <Tachyon`> via the existing electornics aye
[0:36] <criten> Berry6510: Yea, i'm using my old creative webcam
[0:36] <Berry6510> nice
[0:36] <Tachyon`> I just wanted to replace it all to have a fully pi controlled device -.o
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[0:36] <Tachyon`> but not for the forseeable future it seems
[0:36] <Berry6510> i have creative notebook cam still in the drawer
[0:36] <Berry6510> would be nice
[0:37] <criten> It would probably work!
[0:37] <curahack> Hey all, with the last RaspBMC update my keyboard isn't working anymore
[0:37] <Berry6510> any blog on your journey?
[0:37] <NullMoogleCable> im thinking like a small touch screen interface
[0:37] <criten> I really need to get my blog going.....
[0:37] <curahack> dmesg shows the keyboard is connected
[0:37] <curahack> [ 333.469866] generic-usb 0003:04B3:300A.0006: input: USB HID v1.10 Device [Silitek IBM USB Keyboard] on usb-bcm2708_usb-1.2/input1
[0:37] <Tachyon`> the DSI port isn't supported yet either
[0:37] <Berry6510> criten: please tell us what to do to make it happen too ;-)
[0:38] <Tachyon`> so any touchscreen deisplay would have to use the existing video outs and I suppose usb or similar for the touch
[0:38] <criten> Berry6510: Hmm?
[0:39] * Berry6510 digging out the webcam
[0:39] <criten> Berry6510: Plug it in and run 'ls /dev/video*' and see if anything shows up
[0:39] <Berry6510> hold up
[0:40] <Berry6510> just restored wheezy
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[0:42] <Berry6510> criten: /var/log/messages tells me: usbcore: registered new interface driver zc3xx
[0:43] <criten> Berry6510: See if /dev/video0 exists
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[0:43] <Berry6510> yup
[0:43] <criten> Berry6510: Probably good to go : ]
[0:43] <Berry6510> nice
[0:43] <Berry6510> what do you use to use the video0?
[0:44] <Berry6510> this pi rocks
[0:44] <criten> Berry6510: To see if it's working you can... uhh... one sec
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> Berry6510: xawtv
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> Is useful
[0:44] <SpeedEvil> cat /dev/video0 will probably not work anymore
[0:45] <Berry6510> it does
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[0:46] <SpeedEvil> Most drivers it doesn't,
[0:46] <criten> Berry6510: sudo apt-get install fswebcam
[0:46] <criten> Berry6510: Then you can type "fswebcam -r 640x480 -S 15 --flip h --jpeg 95 --save capture.jpg
[0:46] <criten> To save an image
[0:46] <SpeedEvil> xawtv, and 'streamer' does much the same
[0:47] <criten> You can leave out some of the flags... but that's what i use
[0:47] <criten> If you want to setup network streaming let me know : ]
[0:48] <Berry6510> hehe
[0:49] <Berry6510> thanks
[0:49] <criten> Did it work?
[0:49] <Berry6510> now i need to lay my body down
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[0:51] <Berry6510> Writing JPEG image to 'capture.jpg'.
[0:51] <Berry6510> criten: it works
[0:51] <Berry6510> great
[0:51] <criten> Cool : ]
[0:51] <Berry6510> didnt think ot that purpose yet
[0:52] <Berry6510> i will do a write up on this, mentioning you, on my blog
[0:52] <Berry6510> criten: thanks
[0:52] <Berry6510> not ow but when the pi is ready for work
[0:52] <Berry6510> ;-)
[0:52] <criten> You're welcome! If you want a cool way to stream it over your network/internet you can user mjpg-streamer
[0:53] <criten> use*
[0:53] <Berry6510> i will figure this out
[0:54] <Berry6510> the pi is really multifunctional
[0:54] <Berry6510> i love it!
[0:54] <Berry6510> going down on the pillow
[0:54] <Berry6510> later dudes
[0:54] <criten> cya
[0:54] <AC`97> MotorcyclePi. bad idea? XD
[0:55] <AC`97> i'm try to cram the Pi, power supply, and 3 relays into a small 3" x 4" box
[0:55] <Berry6510> iPi (next from apple)
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[1:08] <[M]ax> Berry6510 dont you mean the iRaspberry?
[1:08] <markbook> iTau (twice as good as Pi)? ;-)
[1:11] <[M]ax> im itching to get my hands on my pi
[1:11] <[M]ax> 17 week wait , gah!
[1:12] <plugwash> [M]ax, if you want a Pi sooner rather than later order one from farnell/element14/newark , RS/allied are horriblly backordered
[1:12] <gordonDrogon> well that was jolly good fun! (olympic closing ceremony)
[1:13] <[M]ax> plugwash any of them in the uk?
[1:13] <ReggieUK> indeed
[1:13] <criten> Yea i got mine from neward... took 2 weeks
[1:13] <mru> gordonDrogon: so it's finally over?
[1:13] <criten> gordonDrogon: Is it worth watching? It's showing here in 30 minutes.
[1:14] <gordonDrogon> criten, we enjoyed it...
[1:14] <plugwash> [M]ax, http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/displayProduct.jsp?sku=2081185&CMP=e-2072-00001000&gross_price=true
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[1:14] <gordonDrogon> mru, the paralympics are this week, but the main one is now, yes.
[1:14] <gordonDrogon> it wasn't as dynamic as the opening, but lots of "britishness".
[1:14] <gordonDrogon> music, jokes, film references, etc.
[1:14] <gordonDrogon> lots of music.
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[1:16] * [M]ax takes a lookie
[1:16] <mru> so soon it'll be safe to go near london again
[1:18] <[M]ax> mru, few weeks yet
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[1:26] <gordonDrogon> Hm. that battery is definately knackered - just tried it and the pi crowbarred it and wouldn't even boot.
[1:26] <gordonDrogon> bother.
[1:27] <SeracII> Ah... Gordon....
[1:27] <SeracII> a word ?
[1:27] <[M]ax> are you guys currently looking into "portablePi's"?
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[1:29] <AC`97> myyyy
[1:29] <AC`97> whup
[1:29] <AC`97> s
[1:29] <shapr> I certainly want to know about battery power options for the Pi
[1:30] <AC`97> i tried a lithium ion battery. booted up but no usb + ethernet (lots of errors)
[1:30] <trevorman> a single LiIon cell?
[1:30] <AC`97> yep.
[1:31] <trevorman> yeah. way too low voltage. they're 3ish voltages depending on what type
[1:31] <AC`97> i held the wires to the terminals for a couple minutes. painful.
[1:31] <trevorman> -s
[1:31] <AC`97> it was ~3.8-3.9v
[1:31] <shapr> AC`97: Did you put it directly to the power pins? or to the USB?
[1:31] <trevorman> volts I mean -.-
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[1:31] <AC`97> shapr: gpio 5v
[1:31] <trevorman> AC`97: thats too low to run the 3.3V reg
[1:31] <AC`97> but it still booted up. amazing :P
[1:32] <trevorman> doubt it'd be reliable though
[1:32] <trevorman> excluding the USB/ethernet issues
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[1:32] <AC`97> i even had it on overclock
[1:33] <criten> If you want to use batteries get a batter that's 7-12v then just use a regulator.
[1:34] <criten> battery*
[1:34] <AC`97> i'm planning to put it on my motorcycle
[1:34] <criten> AC`97: that's a 12v battery right?
[1:35] <AC`97> yep.
[1:35] <AC`97> gonna have a switching regulator on it
[1:35] <criten> Should be perfect : ]
[1:35] <criten> Yea
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[1:35] <AC`97> as well as two relays (or three)
[1:35] <AC`97> i haven't even tested out how to use the gpio pins yet, heh..
[1:36] <criten> Shouldn't be a probem.
[1:36] <trevorman> is a motorcycle's power as hostile as a car?
[1:36] <AC`97> probably even more
[1:36] <criten> Yea
[1:37] <trevorman> you'll want some good filtering then :)
[1:37] <AC`97> eh, a switching power supply is noisy anyways
[1:37] <AC`97> i guess that'll act as a filter too
[1:37] <trevorman> true
[1:37] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/n9b9LwJgP4AZW2yPCUxPe_zav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink tada~
[1:38] <AC`97> cutting plastic with a small file is slow and srs business
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[1:40] <trevorman> driving those relays shouldn't be hard. any general purpose transistor off a GPIO will do. just don't forget the snubber diode.
[1:41] <AC`97> indeed
[1:41] <AC`97> the relay there is a huge one, driven by the motorcycle's ignition switch
[1:41] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/647CUUgoMBZ8ZLGe_Rs-d_zav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink also, perfect fit
[1:41] <AC`97> not a millimeter to spare
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[1:43] <trevorman> oh wow. no kidding
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[1:43] <trevorman> you going to leave the composite video and audio sockets on or remove them?
[1:43] <AC`97> it'll take me like 6 more hours to cut slots into the top lid :|
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[1:44] <trevorman> ah
[1:44] <AC`97> the composite would be used for debugging
[1:44] <AC`97> (lol rca for lol)
[1:44] <AC`97> for text*
[1:44] <AC`97> and as for the audio jack... no clue
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[1:46] <AC`97> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270984776686
[1:46] <AC`97> ^do you think the gpio pins can drive that?
[1:47] <AC`97> i'm not sure how those optoisolators work
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[1:48] <AC`97> (i'm also planning to cram that into the case too. srs business)
[1:48] <AC`97> i'll probably leave those terminals sticking out of the case
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[1:53] <trevorman> not sure. that 817C optoisolator seems to be rated for 5V
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[1:53] <criten> Here are a bunch of pictures of my robot frame + drive http://imgur.com/a/eXG9Z#0
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[1:57] <shapr> criten: nifty!
[1:58] <criten> shapr: Thanks : ]
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[1:59] <shapr> criten: I like the use of pipe clamps :-)
[2:00] <criten> shapr: yea, it's pretty much all made of stuff i had laying around
[2:00] <shapr> That's the best sort of project.
[2:00] <shapr> I need to visit my local hardware store and see what they have
[2:00] <criten> It's basically how i do everything
[2:01] <criten> people dont understand how easy it is to build stuff out of wood : p
[2:01] <criten> It's a really good robot material
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[2:02] <ReggieUK> it's probably because it's not shiny and sexy and promoted by all the robot shops
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[2:02] <criten> If you paint it though it can look great
[2:03] <ReggieUK> oh sure, even unpainted it's good enough :)
[2:03] <criten> but yea.. it's not like water jeting an awesome design into sheet metal : ]
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[2:03] <ReggieUK> that's teh appeal, not needing to water jet/laser/print. stuff you can build with simple hand tools
[2:04] <criten> Exactly. Its great for rapid prototyping.. I build that chasis in about an hour with a handsaw and a drill
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[2:08] * cloudy_nz wishes he didn't have to spend so much time on software, and could play with hardware instead :(
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[2:08] <criten> Are the serial ports on the GPIO 3 or 5v?
[2:08] <criten> serial pins*
[2:09] <criten> cloudy_nz: then start playing with hardare : ]
[2:09] <trevorman> its all 3.3V
[2:09] <criten> Ah lame...
[2:09] <criten> I have an awesome little serial servo controler but it's 5v serial.
[2:09] <criten> Need to get that max level converter!
[2:10] <shapr> ReggieUK: hardware stores and robot shops should merge
[2:10] <trevorman> you just want a one way ttl serial link?
[2:10] <trevorman> so RPi to controller?
[2:10] <criten> Yea, I have a usb adapter that can do it, but it would be nice if i just used the gpio
[2:10] <criten> use*
[2:10] <cloudy_nz> criten, would love to, but I've got PHP & Android stuff to finish
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[2:10] <criten> ...used haha
[2:10] * cloudy_nz loves Pi :D
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[2:11] <criten> Oh PHP... that's what I do all day at work : ]
[2:11] * cloudy_nz does Python all day at work
[2:11] <criten> I haven't bothered to learn python yet...
[2:11] <criten> I probably should
[2:12] <criten> On the Pi i just use c/c++
[2:12] <cloudy_nz> I compiled some stuff with gcc on Saturday with pi, yay me :D
[2:12] <criten> Haha nice!
[2:12] <cloudy_nz> raspian is pretty cool
[2:13] <trevorman> if it is just one way from the rpi to the controller then it'll probably be fine with you just wiring it directly with nothing in between
[2:13] <trevorman> just don't do that for the other direction :P
[2:13] <criten> Hmm.. That's true. Maybe i can find the threshold for a logic high on the datasheet
[2:13] <criten> 3.3v might be enough
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[2:13] <trevorman> 5V TTL and 3.3V LVTTL have pretty much the same thresholds
[2:14] <criten> 3.3v might be in the gray area for ttl...
[2:14] <criten> but you might be right
[2:14] <cloudy_nz> I wonder how many people in here go to Makers groups
[2:14] <criten> I haven't. haha
[2:15] <trevorman> VIH for 5V and 3.3V TTL is 2V
[2:15] <cloudy_nz> criten, it must be so cool to create your own gadgets with breadboards & stuff
[2:15] <criten> cloudy_nz: Yupp, just looked it up http://www.interfacebus.com/voltage_threshold.html
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[2:16] <criten> So that probably would work.. thanks for the idea cloudy_nz
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[2:17] <criten> oos
[2:17] <criten> oops.
[2:17] <criten> Thanks for the idea trevorman haha
[2:17] <trevorman> lol
[2:17] <criten> Looked at that and was like...... wait a sec...
[2:17] * cloudy_nz 's brain explodes reading about logic gates
[2:17] <criten> It's really not that complecated
[2:18] <criten> Just need to work up to it.
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[2:19] <criten> How much is the 5v pin on the gpio able to source?
[2:19] <MycoRunner> are you talking about using a 5V uart adapter with the GPIO pins?>
[2:19] <DanyO83> cloudy_nz: well digital electronics/logic gates are way easier to understand than Analog electronics IMO
[2:19] <trevorman> whatever is leftover I guess
[2:19] <trevorman> it has a direct connection to the 5V input past the fuse
[2:19] <criten> Oh nice..
[2:20] <criten> MycoRunner: are you talking to me?
[2:20] <trevorman> +1 to what DanyO83 said
[2:20] <MycoRunner> criten: you and trevorman... does the GPIO have a 5V pin?
[2:20] <criten> MycoRunner: It has one
[2:21] <criten> Pin 2
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[2:21] <cloudy_nz> I've got a book on electronics...time to bust it out
[2:21] <MycoRunner> criten: oh thought it only had 3.3V. So it would work with a 5V UART if you use the +5V and Gnd, TxD and RxD?
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[2:22] <criten> MycoRunner: In theory!
[2:22] <criten> well..
[2:22] <criten> not the RxD
[2:23] <criten> because the 5v UART would try to pump 5v back
[2:23] <criten> it would have to be half-duple
[2:23] <criten> x
[2:23] <DanyO83> cloudy_nz: you should lookup your local hackerspace. there may be electronics classes/workshops. I teach a weekly Electronics Class at ours...
[2:24] <DanyO83> ahh well, he's gone
[2:24] <MycoRunner> criten: just found this, might help http://lavalink.com/2012/04/more-on-raspberry-pi-serial-ports/
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[2:25] <criten> DanyO83: HAha thanks for mentioning hackerspaces... I just looked it up and there is one like 30 minutes from me.. maybe i'll get involved
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[2:27] <DanyO83> criten: yes definitely. RPi and hackerspaces go hand in hand
[2:27] <DanyO83> :)
[2:28] <criten> Quite the cost though.. haha
[2:28] <trevorman> MycoRunner: that page gives conflicting information
[2:28] <DanyO83> criten: I managed to make my employer pay the cost, as a workplace benefit
[2:29] <criten> DanyO83: That's awesome... I won't be able to do that haha
[2:29] <trevorman> according to that page, the mini UART is on the same pins as the PL011 UART -.-
[2:29] <criten> It looks totaly worth it...
[2:30] <MycoRunner> trevorman: it is a little bit beyond me. i had no trouble hooking up a USB uart adapter to just txd rxd and gnd, but as far as getting two serial connections, i don't know
[2:30] <trevorman> you can't get two
[2:31] <trevorman> the other UART just isn't accessible
[2:31] <criten> DanyO83: ...it's open 24/7 I'll just live there ; ]
[2:32] <MycoRunner> oh ok that's what I thought. would it be possible to have a more "complete" serial connection that would work with lets say a rs232 console if you used other pins?
[2:32] <DanyO83> hehe
[2:32] <MycoRunner> I don't know if that is even necessary
[2:32] <MycoRunner> i.e. cts and rts
[2:32] <trevorman> if you're not driving it fast then the handshaking lines aren't necessary
[2:33] <trevorman> looks like the only one you could get is RTS
[2:34] <trevorman> the alternative mappings for RTS and CTS either have something on there already or just aren't connected to anything
[2:35] <trevorman> you could just do it in software I guess but you'd need to hack the kernel driver to do so
[2:35] <MycoRunner> oh ok. I was imagining trying out connecting a real CRT terminal to it, like one of those old mainframe terminals
[2:35] <trevorman> if you're doing level translation anyway then you might as well just buy a cheap USB serial adapter IMO
[2:36] <trevorman> saves you having to mess around building or buying the level translator
[2:37] <MycoRunner> yeah that makes sense
[2:38] <MycoRunner> of course I'd have to buy an old terminal... but it'd be soo cool :p
[2:38] <trevorman> heh
[2:38] <trevorman> I would say just use a TV but that would be really fuzzy and not very readable unlike a proper serial terminal
[2:39] <trevorman> how long before somebody wires a RPi to a teletype?
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[2:40] <trevorman> looks like somebody has already done a serial terminal at least. http://kineticsandelectronics.com/blog/4 they'll post more about it in a future post
[2:42] <shapr> I still can't get wifi up on my rpi
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[2:42] <shapr> I get ioctl[SIOCSIWAP]: Operation not permitted \n ioctl[SIOCSIWESSID]: Operation not permitted and then dhcp-client never gets an IP address.
[2:43] <trevorman> what dongle?
[2:43] <shapr> D-Link System DWA-130 802.11n Wireless N Adapter(rev.E) [Realtek RTL8191SU]
[2:43] <shapr> according to lsusb
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[2:44] <shapr> dmesg shows the drivers loading, I had iwlist scan working earlier
[2:44] * shapr checks again
[2:45] <trevorman> the rtl8191su was/is experimental and x86 only
[2:45] <trevorman> driver
[2:45] <trevorman> if its recently changed then it might still be buggy on other architectures
[2:45] <shapr> That could explain it.
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[2:46] <shapr> I have several other usb wifi dongles, I'll have to try those instead.
[2:47] <zgreg> there's nothing quite like destroying the contents of your SD card while working on the SDHCI driver
[2:47] <zgreg> *sigh*
[2:47] <shapr> SDHCI? Is that an SDIO input device driver?
[2:49] <zgreg> no, that's the driver for the SD slot in the pi, basically
[2:49] <shapr> oh, SDHC interface, I read that as HCI (human computer interface) using SD :-)
[2:50] <zgreg> well, SDHCI stands for SD Host Controller Interface
[2:50] <zgreg> there is not direct relation to SDHC (SD High Capacity)
[2:51] <shapr> zgreg: Can you mount your root filesystem via nfs? That way you could continue developing even if you corrupt your SD card
[2:51] <shapr> or maybe root from an external usb drive?
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[2:51] <zgreg> yes, I'll do that from now on ;)
[2:51] <zgreg> I've already done that a while ago
[2:52] <zgreg> a while ago, I did some rather crucial SD compatibility and performance fixes
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[2:53] <zgreg> however, the SD driver is still problematic, as it does busy-waiting for long durations
[2:53] <zgreg> and that's causing the infamous USB packet loss
[2:55] <trevorman> broadcom and synopsys should send a donation your way for fixing their crap driver
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[2:56] <zgreg> the packet loss problems do not originate in the USB driver
[2:56] <zgreg> the USB driver *is* buggy, but packet loss is the SDHCI driver's fault
[2:58] <zgreg> the real problem is arasan, they made the SDHCI IP core found in the BCM2835. it is "basically compatible to SDHCI specifications", except it's not
[2:58] <trevorman> ew
[2:58] <zgreg> there are many differences, and many are not quite that obvious
[2:59] <zgreg> and of course, nothing is documented
[2:59] <zgreg> it is lovely
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[3:06] <shapr> yay hardware manufacturers
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[3:25] <marcusw> hello, I'm looking for help with raspbian
[3:26] <marcusw> I need more /tmp than 44MB, but I can't figure out how
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[3:27] <marcusw> oh dear...I just reset my rpi due to not enough memory to shutdown cleanly
[3:27] <marcusw> and now I'm getting three OK blinks instead of a boot
[3:28] * marcusw googled for this and will be doing fs checks
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[3:29] <criten> marcusw: 3 flashes: loader.bin not found
[3:29] <marcusw> right
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[3:29] * marcusw ups the ante to "fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb1"
[3:30] <criten> weird
[3:30] <marcusw> well, I just had to kill the power
[3:30] <criten> I do unclean shutdowns all the time haha
[3:30] <criten> never had a problem
[3:30] <marcusw> since I think mounting 500MB of tmpfs was a bad plan
[3:30] <marcusw> yeah, same here...never a problem
[3:30] <criten> probably
[3:31] <marcusw> fsck.extX can fix just about anything
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[3:33] <marcusw> unplug + replug and everything is fine
[3:33] <marcusw> even though fsck thinks everything is totally screwed up
[3:33] <marcusw> 0.o
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[3:40] <ssilver2k2> lo all
[3:40] <ReggieUK> hi ssilver2k2
[3:40] <criten> Hi SIFTU
[3:40] <criten> ...
[3:40] <criten> Hi ssilver2k2
[3:40] <ssilver2k2> stupid work computer, left it logged in so i didn't realize my lappy hadn't connected
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[3:41] <ssilver2k2> so got a tutorial online about how to compile and run Descent on the Pi
[3:41] <Crenn-NAS> Morning all
[3:41] <ssilver2k2> also got a playstation emulator compiled. runs at about 10-15 fps
[3:41] <criten> Morning Crenn-NAS
[3:41] <ssilver2k2> im impressed
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[3:41] <ssilver2k2> morning
[3:41] <Crenn-NAS> Morning ssilver2k2
[3:42] <Crenn-NAS> ssilver2k2: Is that overclocked?
[3:42] <ssilver2k2> yeah, to only 900Mhz
[3:43] * Crenn-NAS has yet to overclock his RPi
[3:43] <ssilver2k2> its stupidly easy
[3:44] <Crenn-NAS> I know, just haven't had a need to
[3:45] <marcusw> does anyone know where I can find docs on raspbian's tmpfs system?
[3:45] <mru> I would assume it's the same as any other tmpfs
[3:46] <criten> Yea... it's not specific to the Pi
[3:46] <criten> same as debian
[3:46] <mru> not specific to debian either
[3:46] <criten> yea
[3:46] <criten> Every current linux kernal probably
[3:46] <Crenn-NAS> A website with IRC running doesn't need much in terms of resources
[3:47] <marcusw> I want to know which file I have to change to make it bigger than 44MB
[3:47] <mru> every linux kernel for 10 years or so
[3:47] <criten> Yea..
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[3:47] <marcusw> actually, I just want to use the SD card...no tmpfs craziness
[3:47] <marcusw> there's not enough memory for that anyway
[3:47] <criten> What are you trying to do?
[3:48] <mru> the default size of a tmpfs is half of physical ram
[3:48] <mru> it can be changed with the 'size' mount option
[3:48] <mru> look in /etc/fstab
[3:50] <marcusw> I'm trying to get quake 3 to work
[3:50] <marcusw> or actually, I'm trying to get openarena to work
[3:50] <marcusw> but openarena has this weird issue with resolution modes
[3:51] <marcusw> so I'm going to get quake 3 up and then try to steal the configs
[3:51] <marcusw> but I can't find any config anything from either of them ATM :(
[3:51] <marcusw> and game-file-installer or whatever it's called puts everything in /tmp
[3:51] <marcusw> while it's compiling
[3:51] <marcusw> it's at least 150MB
[3:51] <marcusw> hence the need for >44MB
[3:52] <marcusw> as for fstab, that was the first place I looked
[3:52] <marcusw> /tmp isn't in there
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[3:53] <mru> you can enlarge it temporarily with mount -o remount,size=xx /tmp
[3:53] <marcusw> nothing but /proc, /boot, and /tmp
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[3:54] <marcusw> oh, while I'm here, I'd like to say that I'm really happy with rpi in general
[3:54] <criten> You should be, it's awesome : ]
[3:55] <marcusw> the hardware is solid, the performance is great, and I hope that this is the start of a new era
[3:55] <marcusw> but right now, the docs need work IMO, especially for this kind of thing
[3:55] <mru> that's not specific to the rpi
[3:56] <marcusw> it's the first system I've seen it on
[3:56] <marcusw> I mean, the tmpfs /tmp
[3:56] <mru> almost every modern distro does that
[3:56] <marcusw> debian and arch don't do it, I know that for certain
[3:56] <mru> have done for quite some years
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[3:57] <marcusw> hmmm...interesting
[3:57] <ssilver2k2> so do all live cds
[3:57] <mru> dinosaurs like rhel might not
[3:57] <marcusw> so where do I turn it off?
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[3:57] <ssilver2k2> in fstab
[3:57] <ssilver2k2> where all filesystem stuff resides
[3:57] <mru> you might consider throwing some swap at it and increasing the tmpfs size
[3:57] <marcusw> I tell you it's not in /tmp
[3:58] <ssilver2k2> but, if your just trying to get quake 3 working...
[3:58] <marcusw> sorry
[3:58] <ssilver2k2> why dont you just download the binaries
[3:58] <marcusw> not in fstab
[3:58] <mru> paging out to swap space should have less overhead than writing to a real filesystem
[3:58] <marcusw> I'm following the instructions in the nice helpful dialog box
[3:58] <marcusw> that pops up when you install and run q3
[3:59] <ssilver2k2> ???
[3:59] <ssilver2k2> http://blog.sheasilverman.com/2012/07/raspbian-on-raspberry-pi-mame-mess-quake3-neogeo-and-cave-story-binaries/
[3:59] <marcusw> it says grab two files and run game-thingy-packager or whatever
[3:59] <ssilver2k2> just download the binaries from my site
[3:59] <ssilver2k2> unzip and run
[3:59] <marcusw> that simplifies things!
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[3:59] <marcusw> now how do I apply this to openarena?
[4:00] <marcusw> thank you, btw!
[4:00] <ssilver2k2> i havent run openarena in YEARS
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[4:00] <ssilver2k2> i don't remember if it uses the same config format
[4:01] <marcusw> I like it better
[4:01] <marcusw> I can't even find the configs though :(
[4:01] <marcusw> the artwork is a lot nicer IMO
[4:01] <marcusw> plus it's "free" and all that
[4:01] <ssilver2k2> well thats just an art pack
[4:01] <ssilver2k2> you could get texture packs, and different wads for quake 3
[4:01] <ssilver2k2> but yeah, open arena is great for being a totally free option
[4:01] <marcusw> but I'm lazy!
[4:02] <marcusw> I suppose rpi is not for the lazy, at least ATM
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[4:05] <marcusw> wow...running it over ssh is weird
[4:06] <marcusw> it grabs kb+mouse input
[4:06] <marcusw> but displays on the rpi video out
[4:07] <ssilver2k2> yeag
[4:07] <ssilver2k2> yeah
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[4:08] <marcusw> hmmm
[4:08] <marcusw> clicking on any of the menu items freezes it
[4:09] <marcusw> oh, you have to run it from an x server
[4:12] <ssilver2k2> well, i just run it from direct console
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[4:14] <marcusw> oh
[4:14] <marcusw> you have to run it
[4:14] <marcusw> and then exit
[4:14] <marcusw> and then run it again
[4:14] <marcusw> 0.o
[4:15] <marcusw> it is oiquake3.arm that one is meant to run, correct?
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[4:22] <ssilver2k2> yes
[4:22] <ssilver2k2> for some reason, on raspbian, there are some issues
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[4:33] <criten> What's the cheapest wifi adapter that you guys know about that works with the Pi?
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[4:45] <mrdragons> So, what are y'all using for cases?
[4:46] <tos9> mrdragons: I'm in the nude.
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[4:46] <mrdragons> lol
[4:47] <Hodapp> o_O
[4:50] <clever> well, i messed up one of the files in /boot by running out of disk during an update
[4:50] <clever> now i cant find my SD reader to fix it
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[4:54] <Gaddel> are there any special considerations i need to take with a battery pack other than voltage? if i get a 5V pack
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[5:03] <Essobi> Gaddel: uhh.. amp hours?
[5:04] <Gaddel> essobi: right, but i mean in terms of shorting the board or causing electrical problems
[5:05] <Essobi> hmm.. don't think so.. just as long as it's 5v and can deliver the amps you need for as long as you need them
[5:06] <Gaddel> thanks, got it
[5:06] <Essobi> I've got a 12v 1000 amp hour SLA battery I want to rig up...
[5:06] <Gaddel> i'm brand new to this kind of electronics stuff, and i see lots of warnings everywhere on how easy it is to damage your board or peripherals
[5:06] <Essobi> And run RS-485 all over my house. :D
[5:07] <Essobi> Gaddel: Oh.. yea.. quick lesson. 2% above or below the target voltage is usually safe but go dead on if you can help it.
[5:07] <Gaddel> yep, figured
[5:07] <Essobi> Other then that, amps drawn. perfectly fine to go over, but never under.
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[5:08] <Gaddel> i also wanted to add some LEDs, and i know i have to calculate the amount of ohms for the resistors
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[5:08] <Essobi> right
[5:08] <Essobi> There's plenty of LED calculators on-line.
[5:08] <Gaddel> yep, found a few
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[5:11] <Essobi> I've got a 1-wire sensor, and a handful of AVR 328p
[5:12] <Essobi> Uhh, a CO2 sensor, a cheap photon sensor.
[5:12] <Gaddel> what's the sensor do?
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[5:14] <megatog615> Gaddel: it helps find klingon battlecruisers
[5:15] <clever> aha, my 6mb kernel is 400kb
[5:17] <clever> it boots!
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[5:21] <Essobi> Gaddel: which one?
[5:21] <Gaddel> the photon sensor
[5:21] <Gaddel> i mean, what's the purpose
[5:22] <Essobi> Oh.. sends out a freq relative to the amount of photons shining on it. You can use it with monochromatic filters, and detect how much light and what kind is falling in a place..
[5:23] <Gaddel> oh, cool
[5:24] <Gaddel> where do you pick these things up?
[5:24] <Gaddel> the sensors i mean
[5:24] <Essobi> these are umm.. parallax iirc..
[5:25] <Essobi> Want to pickup some silly door mag switches too... and maybe an RFID reader and some mag locks. :D
[5:25] <Essobi> Or bluetooth
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[5:30] <criten> Saw a few meteors! : ]
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[6:29] <clever> ok, i have cec half working
[6:30] <clever> but its activating the wrong devices all over the place
[6:30] <clever> the pi just switched the tv to the ps3 and turned the ps3 on!
[6:35] <AC`97> it's playing games with you
[6:35] <AC`97> ... or with the ps3 ^_^
[6:36] <marcusw> lol
[6:37] <clever> the ps3, stb, and pi all share an hdmi switch box
[6:37] <clever> the STB is stupid and cant switch inputs at all (probly no cec)
[6:38] <clever> the dvd player/sound system is directly connected to the tv, and loves to turn on without warning and hijack the active input
[6:39] <clever> heh, i simply ran cec-client and it switched to the dvd player, and powered it up
[6:39] <hotwings> i wonder if my stuff supports cec or not
[6:39] <AC`97> me too
[6:40] <clever> had to update the 'firmware' (a few files in /boot and all of /opt /lib/modules)
[6:40] <clever> then libCEC compiled with little trouble
[6:40] <clever> though cec keeps locking up, *looks for bt*
[6:41] <clever> both cec threads are stuck in a futex :S
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[6:43] <clever> actualy, it has several renamed threads, neat
[6:43] <clever> ok, lad crashes cec hard
[6:54] <criten> <3
[6:55] <clever> cant seem to change the logical address
[6:55] <clever> its stuck as recording 1
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[7:03] <clever> hmmm, without any real warning, cec has locked up
[7:03] <Helldesk> ugh +r
[7:04] <clever> i managed to turn the tv on from the pi, but it went to the wrong input
[7:04] <clever> and turned the ps3 on
[7:04] <Helldesk> just begging for the limbo when a reconnect leaves you hanging one way or the other
[7:04] <clever> then the pi's cec locked up
[7:05] <clever> it also seems un-aware of the hdmi switch box, it claims the dvd player and pi are on the same address (2000)
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[7:13] <hotwings> well, after hearing all that, im less interested if my stuff supports cec
[7:14] <clever> i think half my issue is that some devices are being extra-stupid on the cec bus
[7:14] <clever> the switch box seems to only work with some devices and not others
[7:14] <clever> and wreaks havoc on the dvd+tv
[7:15] <clever> if i try to enable theater sync, it turns the dvd/sound system on and sets it right
[7:15] <clever> then the switch box goes to that input, away from my source
[7:15] <clever> then the dvd/sound system switched to dvd mode!
[7:16] <clever> i was hoping the pi could just take charge, violate the protocol, and boss everybody arround to force them to obey
[7:16] <hotwings> i dont have much plugged in here... xbox360/htpc/bluray player -> receiver -> tv
[7:16] <clever> but before that, i need to figure out why the cec interface keeps locking up solid
[7:17] <clever> need to reboot the pi
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[7:24] <AC`97> i finished my case. arms hurt D:
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[7:28] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/103853333444314240950/RaspberryPi?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCLbrpZ7sjI_BVw&feat=directlink tada!~
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[7:29] <marcusw> nice, mine is just legos
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[7:29] <AC`97> O.o
[7:29] <marcusw> got some on order from the interwebz, though
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[7:30] <AC`97> i hope i have room for the 3 relays & power supply in there
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[7:31] <marcusw> what are the relays for?
[7:31] <marcusw> also heat?
[7:31] <AC`97> relays are for motorcycle :P
[7:31] <AC`97> one to power up, one to delay shutdown
[7:31] <marcusw> ooooh, cool
[7:31] <AC`97> and one for misc.
[7:31] <AC`97> i'll probably cut some holes and add a fan
[7:32] <marcusw> is it waterproof?
[7:32] <AC`97> nope :|
[7:32] <AC`97> but i'm hoping no water would get in anyways :P
[7:32] <marcusw> lol
[7:32] <AC`97> i made a heatsink hack. photo #3. zoom into ethernet/usb controller
[7:33] <AC`97> i used gorilla glue, LOL
[7:33] <marcusw> what is that?
[7:33] <AC`97> but it seems to work, as my "heatsink" feels around the same temperature as the chip itself
[7:34] <marcusw> also gorilla glue is probably the least conductive adhesive known to man
[7:34] <AC`97> it's a brass cup thing for those tiny blinky lights
[7:34] <marcusw> it bubbles and stuff
[7:34] <AC`97> indeed :|
[7:34] <AC`97> i only used like a 10th of a drop though
[7:35] <AC`97> and better than nothing :P
[7:35] <marcusw> that's the decoder accelerator, right?
[7:35] <AC`97> er, nope
[7:35] <AC`97> just ethernet/usb, i think
[7:35] <AC`97> the memory, gpu, and all the other cool stuff are with the cpu
[7:36] <AC`97> the ram is right on top of the cpu
[7:36] <AC`97> sandwich om nom nom
[7:37] <marcusw> ah
[7:37] <jticket> icecream sandwitch? Lol.
[7:38] <AC`97> perhaps XD
[7:38] <jticket> Going to get me a pi and mess with speakup on debian, etc.
[7:39] <AC`97> O.o
[7:39] <AC`97> i want to do it the other way around. speech recognition :P
[7:39] <AC`97> gonna put it on my motorcycle and grab a bluetooth headset for the helmet
[7:40] <AC`97> + 2 wifi adapters & a gps for wardriving
[7:40] <jticket> Yep. I am blind, so need speakup.
[7:40] <jticket> Ah, war driving. Sounds fun.
[7:41] <clever> AC`97: my silly ipod cant even identify the 'play' command while standing still in mild wind
[7:41] <clever> AC`97: how do you expect things to work on a motorbike, at speed?
[7:41] <jticket> Bad with wind, heh.
[7:41] <AC`97> clever: no clue. program a filter? lol
[7:41] <clever> yeah, the software would need to denoise things better then the crappy ipod
[7:42] <criten> get a throat mic
[7:42] <flaccid> man this rasbpbmc lack of keyboard and mouse response is giving me the heeby jeebees
[7:42] <AC`97> or i can always shout. no chance of someone overhearing my crazytalk.
[7:42] <marcusw> jticket: heheh, no need to be blind for text to speech...I mess around with it occasionally
[7:42] <AC`97> flaccid: no response in X, or no response anywhere?
[7:43] <jticket> Ah, cooleo :) May run espeakup on it. Is alsa the sound system?
[7:43] <flaccid> AC`97: really flakey response. they work but you know its lik a faulty cable behavior...
[7:43] <flaccid> AC`97: i can't even get to a tty / vt
[7:43] <AC`97> ooh
[7:43] <marcusw> jticket: also works, but it needs a bit of config (at least for mplayer, anyway)
[7:43] <marcusw> jticket: *alsa
[7:44] <AC`97> flaccid: have you tried just a mouse, or just a keyboard? powered hub?
[7:44] <criten> ^^ Was going to say that..
[7:44] * AC`97 wins!~
[7:44] <marcusw> flaccid: you'll want to restart xbmc...it doesn't recognize devs until restarted sometimes
[7:45] <flaccid> AC`97: tried all of the above, doesn't make a dif
[7:45] <flaccid> marcusw: restarted much
[7:45] <marcusw> (at least on openelec)
[7:45] <marcusw> I would use openelec instead
[7:45] <flaccid> maybe i should do openelec instead
[7:45] <AC`97> flaccid: any weird messages in "dmesg" ?
[7:45] <marcusw> it's pretty solid stuff
[7:45] <flaccid> kk thanks i'll try
[7:45] <marcusw> raspbmc is really beta ATM
[7:45] <flaccid> AC`97: no, but then again i can't even get to that
[7:45] <AC`97> whoa
[7:45] <criten> flaccid: you can ssh into it
[7:46] <AC`97> yep, ssh.
[7:46] <flaccid> true, i'll do that
[7:46] <flaccid> one sec
[7:46] <AC`97> i don't even have a usb keyboard anywhere
[7:46] <criten> I haven't used a mouse or a keyboard on my Pi in 2 days... just ssh
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[7:48] <flaccid> well not sure if networking is working coz no IPs in my routers dhcp lease table are the pi
[7:49] <AC`97> was ethernet plugged in when you booted?
[7:58] <AC`97> does anyone know whether the input capacitor on the RPi is before or after the fuse?
[8:00] <flaccid> AC`97: yes and no. different tests had or not, didn't make a diff
[8:00] <AC`97> ??
[8:01] <AC`97> hmm
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[8:12] <TeeCee> Hey guys!
[8:16] <AC`97> hello guy
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[8:18] <Wendo> AC`97, if you're still interested, all the caps are after the fuse
[8:20] <AC`97> Wendo: ah i see.. thanks! :D
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[8:28] <flaccid> ok so http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Installing_OpenELEC_on_Raspberry_Pi#Installation doesn't even mention where to download it and http://openelec.tv/get-openelec does not even have a link or mention of raspberry pi or arm
[8:28] <flaccid> oh i had to read their faq to get the info. ghey.
[8:29] <AC`97> google ^_^
[8:29] <flaccid> yeah who needs well designed websites and documentation, thats what google is for :)
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[8:30] <AC`97> indeed
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[8:44] <flaccid> reboots time
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[8:48] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps...
[8:51] <AC`97> it's almost midnight
[8:51] <AC`97> are you from the future??
[8:53] <Essobi> derp
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[9:07] <dieck> Hi! Is there any shop for the Raspberry in Germany except RS? I don't like paying now for something that is delivered in 15 weeks (or more), and RS does not offer cash on delivery
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> Farnell/element14/cpc whatevr they're called there?
[9:09] <dieck> never heard of them here, but I'll have a look around the web
[9:11] <chithead> there is only farnell, rs and ebay
[9:12] <chithead> see http://www.raspberrypi.org/ "where to buy"
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[9:22] <Essobi> .3
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[9:25] <olive> hello! how to disable the color gradient at boot?
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[9:32] <criten> Hey guys : D
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[9:58] <booyaa> right now farnell/element14 are my favs
[9:59] <booyaa> only because they got the rpi to me, my one from rs is still in the pipe line until sept
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[10:02] <reider59> Hopefully my second RPi will be here today, from Ebay
[10:02] <reider59> and my t shirt
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[10:03] <booyaa> wish i got a tee :(
[10:04] <reider59> You could have got one from Ebay the other day for about ?2 + delivery, that's all it went for.
[10:04] <booyaa> crikey
[10:04] <reider59> Keep a watch on Ebay, there is a Large one on there now
[10:04] <booyaa> i'm small :D
[10:04] <booyaa> do you search for raspberry pi t-shirt?
[10:04] <reider59> use "raspberry pi t shirt ebay" as a search term in Google
[10:04] <booyaa> ta
[10:04] <reider59> without the quotes
[10:05] <reider59> Don't bid til near the end
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[10:06] <reider59> Personally I'd put in what you think it's worth, say ?10.25 and let Ebay auto increase the bid.
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[10:06] <reider59> Don't go with ?10
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[10:25] <MystX> Hellooooo
[10:25] <TeeCee> Hiiiiiiiiiii
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[10:30] <DarkTherapy> has anyone changed the gpio header to female?
[10:30] <DarkTherapy> just desoldered it and replaced for female?
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[10:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> DarkTherapy why bother
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[10:35] <DarkTherapy> I'm just used to female headers with Arduino etc, thought it was a bit strange using a male header, could possibly cause shorts
[10:35] <DarkTherapy> oh well, I'll just use female jumpers
[10:38] <reider59> I used male/femal jumper wires initially. then made a 26 pin connector and ribbon cable with tinned colour coordinated wires at the other end. Later I made a double ended connector to a breakout board so they're directly connected via the ribbon cable. I even mad a ribbon cable for one of my LCD Modules from an old 40 pin connector or something.
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[10:44] <reider59> there's a video on th eforum that shows how to do it
[10:44] <reider59> that breakout board gives you a lot of practice soldering lol. I enjoyed meter testing it, as daft as that sounds
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[11:06] <gordonDrogon> reider59, I have one of these now: http://unicorn.drogon.net/pitrak1.jpg ribbon cable from Pi to a breakout board.
[11:08] <reider59> cool! Was erm otherwise engaged lol
[11:08] <reider59> Ablutions
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[11:09] <reider59> I don't know what's happened with the scutter article in MagPi, it wasn't in this month and no mention ofit. May have to go it alone. I have the Linux version of the software anyway.
[11:11] <reider59> I have single movements of the Robotic Arm. Just need to find time to make up some combination commands. so glad to be free of the Windows program for it.
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[11:13] <reider59> That breakout board looks vey neat and tidy
[11:14] <Holden> programmer seems to work o/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1144504/
[11:14] <reider59> I put a piece of spongy material under mine (non static) and an elastic band to hold it in place. It's insulated and it doesn't scratch the glass it sits on just now
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[11:17] <Ryanteck> Hi
[11:17] <reider59> I soldered in a Pot on my breakout board that can either be used by srewing down a centre wire in the block or just ignored for other experiments.
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[11:18] <gordonDrogon> I'm busy making stuff for Wednesday - raspberryjam in Penzance!
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[11:19] <booyaa> rig up a pirate bus with the pi
[11:19] <booyaa> soz you said penzance i couldn't resist
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[11:20] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> actually, I never thought of that. maybe I'll turn the tank into a boat and hoist the jolly rodger ...
[11:20] <booyaa> heh excellent :D
[11:20] <booyaa> will need photos or it never happened
[11:23] <teff> surely if you do that you'd have to turn the pi into a piratebox to run with the theme?
[11:25] <reider59> What's that light thing they use for signaling from ship to ship and maybe shore to ship? That might be possible
[11:25] <booyaa> slightly off topic, but there was game where you stuck swords into a barrel. it had a pirate that popped out if you got the right "hole"
[11:26] <booyaa> trying to think how you could rig that up to a pi
[11:26] <booyaa> maybe he tweets if you pop him?
[11:26] <reider59> something that reads the light signals and puts up th etext
[11:26] <Ryanteck> Yar!
[11:27] <reider59> I'm debating a morse code one for som reason, may have been my sea cadet time years ago
[11:27] <Ryanteck> Hmm
[11:27] <reider59> In fact, if my second Pi comes today that might be well on the cards
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[11:28] <Ryanteck> I was setting my pi up last night
[11:29] <Ryanteck> Ready for my project
[11:29] <reider59> hope the postie gets here before I have to leave for the photography club
[11:29] <Ryanteck> My post arrives llate
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[11:29] <reider59> mine does sometimes and this is a delivery to be signed for too
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[11:31] <MasterGeek> well you could always just forget Photography club and relish in the unbridled pleasure of un boxing your pi
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[11:33] <reider59> no, I did the treasurers job for thee weeks while she was off. Time to hand over the accounts today.
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[11:33] <MasterGeek> ah,
[11:34] <reider59> It's a second one so not as exciting as the first, the T shirt is though-I really want that
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[11:38] <DarkTherapy> right, ribbon cable from and old floppy drive it is then
[11:40] <reider59> That's the ticket. the plastic on the connector can be cut to size. Pull back the unused wires and tape them to the ribbon cable. Meter test 2 -3 times to be sure you get the ones you want.
[11:40] <DarkTherapy> cheers
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> thinking of making it look like a rat... Then it will be the Pi Rat of Penzance ...
[11:42] <reider59> I put the connector in the vice, put in a jumper wire and then tested for continuity at the other end. Keep moving the jumper wire and you soon see what goes where. On a twin line connector the bottom ones are usually every second wire (evens) and the top ones are the odds.
[11:42] <DarkTherapy> good idea
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[11:43] <reider59> Don't forget to keep the red/pink line end to mark pin 1
[11:43] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/acrylic-case-for-raspberry-pi-designed-by-adafruit-p-1118.html
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> I got one of those direct from adafruit!
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> now they're in the UK.
[11:44] <DarkTherapy> nice
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[11:46] <reider59> I bought in the 26 pin connectors for the Pi connection (39p each and ?1.50 for the cable). I did some with connectors each end and some with bare ends. these I cut up some coloured jumper pins and matched the colours on the RPi GPIO pin chart. Tinned the wires, twisted to the pins to hold them in place then soldered them to the wires. all with L shapes in the pins to go on a breadboard. I then used packing t
[11:46] <reider59> ape to add descriptors for each pin. Looked like a GPO exchange with that connection lol
[11:47] <DarkTherapy> lol
[11:47] <reider59> I thought it good practice and a good idea to have more than one way to connect up.
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[11:48] <DarkTherapy> yeh, I'm gonna have 1 cable constantly connected to a breadboard
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> ok. back to the pile of lego on the floor...
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[11:50] <reider59> I have a second case for the Pi hopefully on its way today. That one is clear and has 2 sides that hinge out to get the Pi in. They clasp closed afterwards. The whole thing, already built up (one option, others are kit form and cheaper), cost me ?7.50 inc VAT and delivery.
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[11:51] <reider59> I think the guy who made the cases is in Scotland
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[11:54] <reider59> Taking my Arduino and Arduino LCD Shield in with me to the Photography club today. they were playing with it a while last week. I had a text file on the desktop to add text, save it and it appears on the LCD Module. They enjoyed playing with that inbetween sorting picture albums from our last outing
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[11:56] <reider59> I got my 26 pin connectors and 26 pin ribbon cable from Tandy Online, not bad prices. got a load of jumper wires from there too
[11:57] <reider59> I only used the floppy connectors and ribbon cables for the LCD Module headers
[11:58] <reider59> just makes them look tidy
[11:58] <DarkTherapy> if you look for the ribbon cable and connectors online they are cheap as chips, look or the same thing with the name "raspberry pi" added to it, 3 times the price lol
[11:58] <reider59> that's true
[11:58] <reider59> it's so good reusing old stuff I have in my collection too
[11:59] <DarkTherapy> yeh
[12:00] <reider59> I have a blown PSU and cut all the wires and connectors off to reuse, it felt so right and good
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[12:01] <reider59> It went after a power outage locally where we all got low power and some got none at all. a week or so later it blew with a big flash and bang.
[12:01] <DarkTherapy> has anyone here got a brushless motor from an old VCR working with an ESC?
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[14:51] <amgb2> so does anyone know why the size of the source rectangle you pass to vc_dispmanx_element_add has to be shifted <<16?
[14:51] <amgb2> all the examples of code I've found just do so with no explanation
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[14:52] <buZz> amgb2: wrong channel?
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[14:57] <ReggieUK> is it?
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[15:02] <booyaa> presumely vc is videocore?
[15:03] <booyaa> he's in the right channel, might not have anyone around who can help him
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[15:09] <DarkTherapy> quick question, where do I put new python classes in the pi file system?
[15:10] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[15:10] <DarkTherapy> namely this one: https://github.com/lrvick/raspi-hd44780/blob/master/hd44780.py
[15:11] <amgb2> (re sb, yes, I was asking about the rpi videocore)
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[15:12] <dr_herbalist> Hey all
[15:14] <dr_herbalist> Anybody here using XBian?
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[15:15] <Fleck> dr_herbalist i was, whats up?
[15:16] <dr_herbalist> I'm just having difficulty setting up a wireless interface as I seem to have installed it and configured it yet its not working how it should. I was wondering if anyone more experienced could give me a quick bit of help.
[15:16] <dr_herbalist> It't the Realtek RTL8187 chipset.
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[15:18] <dr_herbalist> i was wondering if you have attempted using a wireless interface Fleck?
[15:18] <DarkTherapy> is it USB to the pi? or a hub?
[15:20] <dr_herbalist> To the Pi
[15:20] <Fleck> wireless interface? wireless network you mean?
[15:20] <Fleck> i had wireless mouse/keyboard
[15:20] <Fleck> worked fine
[15:20] <dr_herbalist> Yeah, wireless network
[15:20] <dr_herbalist> My mistake
[15:20] <dr_herbalist> Not a HID
[15:20] <Fleck> i didnt use wireless network
[15:20] <DarkTherapy> some USB wifi adapters dont like the pi's 140mah USB ports apparently
[15:21] <dr_herbalist> Oh...
[15:21] <DarkTherapy> try a hub
[15:21] <dr_herbalist> Let me check the adapters specs
[15:21] <buZz> i have had USB wifi adapters suck 300mA out of it
[15:21] <buZz> DarkTherapy: also, drop the h ;)
[15:21] <DarkTherapy> or bridge the polyfuses
[15:21] <buZz> DarkTherapy: its not 140mAh , just 140mA
[15:21] <buZz> ;)
[15:21] <DarkTherapy> sorry
[15:21] <DarkTherapy> yeh
[15:21] <buZz> forgiven
[15:22] <buZz> just wanted to educate you a bit :)
[15:22] <DarkTherapy> I'm thinking of lipo's lol
[15:22] <dr_herbalist> The adapters box says 5v+5%
[15:23] <dr_herbalist> no idea what that means
[15:23] <dr_herbalist> +0.25?
[15:23] <dr_herbalist> lol
[15:23] <DarkTherapy> that's not the current
[15:23] <dr_herbalist> I know, but I don't know how to find it
[15:23] <DarkTherapy> try a hub
[15:24] <DarkTherapy> powered hub
[15:24] <dr_herbalist> I don't have one. My dog just got attacked and its cost ??1000 so I wont be able to afford one for a while either :/
[15:24] <DarkTherapy> or temporarily bridge the USB polyfuses
[15:24] <dr_herbalist> (in vet bills)
[15:24] <DarkTherapy> that's free
[15:24] <dr_herbalist> refuckulate the flux capacitor
[15:25] <dr_herbalist> I have no idea how to "bring the usb polyfuses"
[15:25] <dr_herbalist> lol
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[15:25] <dr_herbalist> attach some 5v DC wire to the prongs of the nano usb of the adapter?
[15:26] <Fleck> dog attacked?
[15:26] <dr_herbalist> Yeah a bigger dog ripped his leg off
[15:26] <dr_herbalist> and he had it amputated.
[15:27] <dr_herbalist> It was messy.
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[15:27] <DarkTherapy> http://theiopage.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/increasing-raspberry-pis-usb-host.html?m=1
[15:27] <dr_herbalist> Thank you
[15:28] <SpeedEvil> dr_herbalist: ow.
[15:28] <dr_herbalist> I'm not going to attempt this, Thanks anyway but I'm sure my Pi would end up in a bodybag if I tried.
[15:28] <dr_herbalist> SpeedEvil, Yeah It was a nightmare :(
[15:29] <DarkTherapy> just stick some tinfoil across those 2 fuses
[15:30] <dr_herbalist> The tutorial said "if you don't know why the fuses are there, dont attempt this", so I may take its advice lol
[15:30] <DarkTherapy> well you do know what they do
[15:30] <DarkTherapy> they limit the USB to 140ma
[15:30] <DarkTherapy> lol
[15:30] <DarkTherapy> instead of the usual 500ma
[15:30] <dr_herbalist> Hahaha true
[15:31] <dr_herbalist> Is there any risk of damage here if done correctly?
[15:31] <ReggieUK> kind of but not really
[15:32] <ReggieUK> no more so than plugging junk into a cheap 7port usb hub anyway :D
[15:32] <ReggieUK> essentially, by bridging the polyfuses you are bypassing the physical current protection on the device
[15:33] <dr_herbalist> Okay. I guess ill give it a shot now.
[15:33] <ReggieUK> which means that if a usb device 'goes bad' and manages to draw way more than it's rated to do, then it could cause issues
[15:33] * dr_herbalist wanders around the house looking for devices to strip wire from
[15:33] <ReggieUK> don't do it off the back of my advice, do it because you feel it's safe or not at all :)
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[15:33] <dr_herbalist> Okay, thanks Reggie. I'll blame you and Dark anyway though lol
[15:34] <DarkTherapy> lol
[15:34] <dr_herbalist> I'll cry if I ruin it. The 3+ month I waited killed me
[15:34] <ReggieUK> you can blame all you like, I have given you my getout clause, I will not feel guilt :D
[15:34] <dr_herbalist> Hehe
[15:35] <dr_herbalist> the wired should go in a cross shape from opposite end of F1 and F2?
[15:36] <DarkTherapy> no, straight across f1 and another across f2
[15:37] <dr_herbalist> this looks like oppsoite ends? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VvS7NNh5rko/T903ZQuu2zI/AAAAAAAAAXA/8SoDdgoec0Q/s1600/IMG_9642.JPG
[15:37] * RoyK bought a cheap PSU on ebay, labelled 5V 2A, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190688034768&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:US:3160 - and isn't very surprised to find that measuring the voltage between TP1 and TP2 after attempting to use the shite, shows 4.06V
[15:37] <DarkTherapy> yeh, sorry follow that pic
[15:38] <dr_herbalist> Lol, okay.
[15:38] <timg> wow
[15:38] * booyaa pats his trusty samsung phone charger
[15:38] <timg> soldering directly on the rpi
[15:38] <timg> scary
[15:39] <DarkTherapy> they are quite big pads anyway
[15:39] <dr_herbalist> I'm gonna stick it on with celotape
[15:39] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[15:39] <dr_herbalist> lol
[15:40] <DarkTherapy> I've seen people bridge each fuse separately, that works
[15:40] <DarkTherapy> not like the photo
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[15:40] <DarkTherapy> a bit of tin foil across each
[15:41] <dr_herbalist> im going to invent a little cube that sticks over the top and bridges them easily and sell it to Pi owners
[15:42] <DarkTherapy> lol
[15:42] <dr_herbalist> ill use blue tac to stick them down for now
[15:42] <DarkTherapy> yeh
[15:43] <DarkTherapy> at least you can try to get your wifi working before investing ??5 in a hub
[15:43] <dr_herbalist> at least now when i show people my pi and its cool features it looks like Ive actually done some wiring
[15:43] <dr_herbalist> Yeah exactly. I thought I wouldn't need one as I was going to shh in if I needed anything doing
[15:43] <dr_herbalist> so wouldnt need mouse etc
[15:44] <dr_herbalist> and k/b
[15:44] <dr_herbalist> if that makes sense
[15:44] <DarkTherapy> yeh
[15:45] <dr_herbalist> Could bridging these be a permanent solution?
[15:45] <DarkTherapy> you could swap them for 500ma fuses for protection
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[15:46] <dr_herbalist> ah..
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[15:48] <dr_herbalist> I cant get these wires to stick down. Is there and commands I can type to check whether its actually a power issue or is this the only easy way?
[15:49] <dr_herbalist> or can't I have it run a command to turn the power level down on startup
[15:49] <dr_herbalist> something like reg set BO or something if i remember rightly
[15:49] <DarkTherapy> there's a list of supported wii adapters online for the pi, and sow state they need more power to work
[15:49] <DarkTherapy> some*
[15:50] <effbiai> Is there a way to get the source code for F17ARM rpi-Remix?
[15:50] <effbiai> and/or is there a plan to hard-float compile it?
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[15:54] <dr_herbalist> DarkTherapy, The indicator light on the device flashes at it powers up
[15:54] <DarkTherapy> nice
[15:55] <dr_herbalist> So it should be getting power right?
[15:55] <dr_herbalist> Thats before I bridged it
[15:56] <DarkTherapy> i dont know if that's enough power for radio
[15:56] <dr_herbalist> and it appears on lsusb
[15:56] <dr_herbalist> ah...
[15:56] <DarkTherapy> what USB adapter is it?
[15:56] <DarkTherapy> Edimax one?
[15:56] <dr_herbalist> Its ALFA
[15:58] <dr_herbalist> Alfa AWUS036H
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[16:00] <DarkTherapy> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
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[16:01] <dr_herbalist> It says tested with ralink firmware
[16:01] <dr_herbalist> on 2 of them
[16:02] <dr_herbalist> I used realtek
[16:02] <dr_herbalist> I did all of this http://forum.xbian.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29
[16:02] <DarkTherapy> ;0)
[16:02] <dr_herbalist> It has Realtek RTL8187 chipset
[16:02] <dr_herbalist> so I assumed Realtek firmware
[16:03] <dr_herbalist> I'm so confused
[16:03] <dr_herbalist> I need to go read a few books on computing
[16:03] <DarkTherapy> Before you start fiddling around, make sure you have a powered usb hub connected to the RPi. The device can't always drive a wifi stick on it's own, especially if you have other peripherals connected.
[16:04] <DarkTherapy> from the page you just posted lol
[16:04] <DarkTherapy> ^^
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> gosh 3pm already.
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[16:05] <gordonDrogon> Lego just insn't built for speed - at least the old mindstorms isn't.
[16:05] <dr_herbalist> DAMN LOL
[16:05] <dr_herbalist> oops caps. sorry.
[16:06] <dr_herbalist> I hate how openelec locks you out from installing or doing anything.
[16:06] <dr_herbalist> Its why I like XBian so much
[16:07] <dr_herbalist> I'm not sure what its for but turning power management on might help?
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[16:11] <dr_herbalist> or doing iw reg set
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[16:14] <RoyK> anyone that can recommend a good PSU for the pi?
[16:15] <Fleck> HTC phone charger :D
[16:16] <Aldasa> Im using a HTC phone charger. Its okay. I would rather have something that can output more than 1 amp
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[16:16] <Fleck> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190688034768&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:US:3160
[16:16] <timg> +1 htc charger
[16:16] <SLFCore> any charger above 700mA
[16:16] <Fleck> ahh no - dont buy this :D
[16:17] <dr_herbalist> blackberry charger here.
[16:17] <Fleck> [16:35:35] * RoyK bought a cheap PSU on ebay, labelled 5V 2A, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190688034768&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:US:3160 - and isn't very surprised to find that measuring the voltage between TP1 and TP2 after attempting to use the shite, shows 4.06V
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[16:17] <Aldasa> I was thinking of lopping off the end of my psp charger. 5v @ 2amp
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[16:18] <dr_herbalist> I bout as power lead from RS and it was faulty. The little hooks that go in and hold the cable in the nano usb were faulty and stuck so it wouldn't plug into anythin g.
[16:18] <dr_herbalist> anything*
[16:18] <dr_herbalist> bought*
[16:18] <dr_herbalist> I was so disappointed in RS
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[16:22] <RoyK> Fleck: hah
[16:22] <Fleck> RoyK :)
[16:23] <dr_herbalist> WB DarkTherapy
[16:23] <DarkTherapy> Ty
[16:23] <dr_herbalist> I keep gettinbg USB disconnect and device descriptor read/64, error -32
[16:23] <dr_herbalist> getting*
[16:23] <dr_herbalist> so maybe its power?
[16:23] <dr_herbalist> you were right :P
[16:24] <DarkTherapy> probably
[16:24] <dr_herbalist> wlan0 just disappeared from ifconfig
[16:24] <dr_herbalist> so must be :/
[16:25] <DarkTherapy> try iwconfig
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[16:27] <Jck_true> dr_herbalist: There are stills issues with the USB stack as far as I know
[16:27] <dr_herbalist> Ah..
[16:27] <dr_herbalist> iwconfig has nothing
[16:27] <DarkTherapy> k
[16:27] <dr_herbalist> :(
[16:28] <dr_herbalist> I have an old adapter i could try
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[16:31] <DarkTherapy> I wonder of you could chop up a USB extension cable and take 5v from the gpio header
[16:31] <DarkTherapy> if*
[16:31] <DarkTherapy> shared ground
[16:31] <dr_herbalist> I chopped one up to get wire for the bridge
[16:31] <DarkTherapy> k
[16:32] <DarkTherapy> someone correct me of that's not possible
[16:32] <DarkTherapy> but I believe the 5v from the gpio comes directly from the input power
[16:34] <Jck_true> DarkTherapy: You can - I'm running mine off a 0-30V PSU connected on pin 1 -3
[16:35] <DarkTherapy> ok, thanks. well that's an option for powering the USB dongle
[16:36] <dr_herbalist> Thanks for the advice
[16:36] <dr_herbalist> :D
[16:37] <Jck_true> I got a split cable for my WiFi adapter - (one of thoose for cheap USB harddrives - Plug on into your rasp - Second into a USB PSU
[16:37] <Jck_true> dr_herbalist: http://furyfire.info/raspberrypi/accessories.html
[16:37] <DarkTherapy> :0)
[16:40] <dr_herbalist> Thats a good idea. Thanks. I need a Uk plug though.
[16:40] <Jck_true> dr_herbalist: No worries - Oh and don't take that guide too seriously - It's china junk
[16:40] <dr_herbalist> Haha dealextreme
[16:41] <dr_herbalist> I once bought a 16dbi 2.4ghz YAGI antenna from them
[16:41] <dr_herbalist> very cheap
[16:41] <dr_herbalist> but junk
[16:41] <dr_herbalist> lol
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[16:41] <DarkTherapy> iPhone wall charger is 1000ma 5v USB
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[16:42] <Jck_true> Yeah it's been a bit of a test for me aswell - 3 USB adapters that rated 1000mA didn't provide enough power - The one i link to does provide enough - So it's kinda of a jungle
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[16:45] <dr_herbalist> I'ts been really hard to get stuff done when i cant see the bottom line of the terminal because of the size of my screen
[16:45] <dr_herbalist> lol
[16:45] <dr_herbalist> or the first 5 characters from the left
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> just be aware that if you power the Pi via the 5V on the GPIO connector, there is no protection against shorts, etc.
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> it's in-front of the polyfuse of the USB power connector.
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[16:48] <dr_herbalist> Thanks for the heads up
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> it's for i'm supplying a Pi with power from a battery though...
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> s/for/how/
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[16:51] <sraue> dr_herbalist, openelec locks nothing, thats a own distro, not based on debian or something, so stuff like apt will never work because there is no repo behind, if you mean this... OpenELEC is a real embedded system, compared to other distros, and thats how embedded systems are working, if you like to add anything you can do this at buildtime or with installing to /storage.
[16:52] <dr_herbalist> ah...
[16:52] <dr_herbalist> That makes sense now.
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[16:52] <dr_herbalist> Thanks for clearing that up.
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[16:53] <dr_herbalist> is it possible to wakeonlan with Rpi?
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[16:54] <sraue> no problem, thats why openelec is openelec is different then raspbmc and xbian etc which are (based on) desktop OS's, OpenELEC is more like openwrt for routers or openembedded or buildroot... a OS to only run XBMC as a appliance like a set top box
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[16:54] <gordonDrogon> dr_herbalist, I don't think so...
[16:54] <olive> hello! how to disable the color gradient at boot?
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> dr_herbalist, but as it only takes 3 watts when idle, then it's possibly not an issue...
[16:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> olive you dont
[16:55] <olive> ok
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> olive, your lucky - now that I've got a colour TV on my Pi, I don't see it as it takes too long to 'wake up' and put a picture up!
[16:56] <olive> :)
[16:56] <dr_herbalist> Thanks gordon.
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[17:03] <dr_herbalist> I've installed a utorrent frontend for xbmc
[17:04] <dr_herbalist> so when i get wireless sorted i can use it to download and they will be ready to play
[17:04] <dr_herbalist> if possible
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[17:07] <dr_herbalist> I've got to go. I'm going to beg on the street for money for a power hub. So long everyone and thanks for all the fish.
[17:08] <DarkTherapy> c ya
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[17:11] <Megaf> hi all
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[17:11] <Megaf> does Raspberry Pi has a BIOS or anything like that?
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[17:11] <booyaa> nio
[17:11] <lupinedk> nope
[17:11] <booyaa> bootloader
[17:11] <lupinedk> only /boot/config.txt
[17:11] <Megaf> hm
[17:12] <Megaf> ok, I ordered mine about a month ago, no idea when I will be able to get my hands on it
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[17:13] <Megaf> I ordered it from Allied Electronics, no idea if they have any tracking system I could use
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[17:14] <booyaa> Megaf: usually you only get a tracking number when it's with the courier
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[17:14] <booyaa> only time rs/farnell have contacted me have been order confiramtion and shipping notification
[17:14] <booyaa> well still waiting on shipping from rs
[17:15] <Megaf> I see
[17:15] <Megaf> good to know that
[17:15] <[SLB]> farnell to me didn't have the track number because it was sent thru royal mail, rs used dhl
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[17:19] <mongrelion> but farnell ships 1^1_000_000 faster than RS.
[17:19] <Megaf> Date of order Fri, 29 Jun 2012, 11:48 AM
[17:20] <Megaf> so, about one week to go,
[17:20] <Megaf> Delivery Type Desc Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 11 week(s))
[17:20] <DarkTherapy> I ordered one about a month ago, was told 11 weeks..
[17:20] <booyaa> rs said 12
[17:20] <DarkTherapy> a friend gave me his over the weekend
[17:20] <DarkTherapy> which was nice
[17:20] <booyaa> but mine was caught up when they still had a queuing system
[17:20] <booyaa> waiting list
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[17:22] <booyaa> i bought my 2nd pi through farnell the day after the waitlist stopped. got mine 3 wks later i think
[17:23] <mongrelion> I got mine on the second week they said it had been shipped.
[17:24] <sam> I got mine through Farnell in 2 days, 2 weeks ago
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[17:31] <Essobi> Morning
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[17:44] <Essobi> Hmm.. Quite a few images won't work for me out of the box, but some do... sort of odd.
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[17:48] <Gadgetoid> Still waiting for my Pi???
[17:48] <Gadgetoid> My second one??? trololololoalala!
[17:49] <Gadgetoid> Some people have hundreds of them by now, they're hoarding them specifically to deprive everyone else
[17:49] * markllama stands well away from Gadgetoid and keeps an eye out for incoming...
[17:49] <[SLB]> lol
[17:50] <booyaa> yeah i wonder how many are gather dust (and are not powered up)_
[17:50] <booyaa> my pi is technically gather dust, but that's cause my media centre housing is dusty
[17:50] <Essobi> Gadgetoid: I got two. *shrug*
[17:51] <Gadgetoid> Mine's been up for 38days now I think
[17:51] <booyaa> 16:49:03 up 1 day, 1:35, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.05
[17:51] <booyaa> :D
[17:51] <[SLB]> i'm testing it but it's quite hot here hm
[17:51] <[SLP]> 17:49:38 up 2 days, 21:14, 2 users, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.05
[17:51] <Essobi> My desktop at work has been up for 235 days. :D
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[17:53] <kn1000> I'm looking into GPIO
[17:53] <kn1000> but I have read that it's important to protect the pins with some sort of buffer - Can somebody link me to some info on how to create that buffer? I must really suck at googling
[17:54] <Essobi> lulz
[17:54] <Essobi> http://elinux.org/RPi_Tutorial_EGHS:GPIO_Protection_Circuits
[17:54] <kn1000> all I wanna do is safely hook up a h-bridge to control a couple of DC motors
[17:54] <kn1000> Thank you
[17:55] <Essobi> kn1000: I'd just get a gertboard if you're inexperienced.
[17:55] <Essobi> What're you doing with the steppers?
[17:56] <kn1000> Essobi, I'm not going to need steppers, just basic dc motors
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[17:56] <kn1000> and I thought about it but ?30 is more than the cost of a new rPi, which sort of negates the purpose for me
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[17:56] <Essobi> RPM/Speed control necessary?
[17:56] <kn1000> plus I want to learn
[17:56] <kn1000> Not at all
[17:56] <kn1000> it's going to open and close my blinds
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[17:56] <kn1000> that's it
[17:56] <kn1000> lol
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[17:57] <Essobi> http://energydefender.blogspot.com/2010/02/arduino-controlled-electric-blinds.html <-- I'd reference that..
[17:58] <Essobi> Opto-isolation for your GPIOs should be enough.
[17:59] <kn1000> so if I just run all the pins through opto-isolators and then used that to control a transistor, my rPi should be sufficiently protected?
[18:00] <Hodapp> http://xbian.org/ still leaves me wondering: what in the heck _is_ xbian?
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[18:00] <kn1000> Hodapp, xbmc distro
[18:00] <kn1000> what more do you need to know
[18:00] <kn1000> lol
[18:00] <Hodapp> it'd be really nice if the page said that anywhere easy to see
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[18:02] <Essobi> kn1000: Infact... http://sites.google.com/site/energydefender/pictures/arduinoblindschematic.jpg That specifically... it's wired for a 3.3V gpio and that's what pi uses.
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[18:02] <Essobi> kn1000: he's got a parts breakout on there too if you have not priced/purchased anything yet..
[18:03] <kn1000> Essobi, ooh that's interesting! Thanks for this link!
[18:03] <acausal> run the pi off its own power supply, and with opto isolators it's super safe
[18:03] <loadbang> how do i open in lxde instead of gdm3?
[18:04] <kn1000> acausal, so I should be ok just hooking up an optoisolator to the outputs on the rpi, then using that 3v3 logic to drive a transistor, which then will power a motor or a h bridge, etc
[18:04] <Essobi> kn1000: Yessir.
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[18:04] <Essobi> kn1000: note the left side it 3v3 and the right is 5v...
[18:04] <Essobi> *is
[18:05] <Essobi> 3v3 would be the pi side's power, and 5v would be a seperate power supply.
[18:05] <kn1000> Essobi, so if I'm understanding this circuit correctly
[18:06] <Essobi> You sound like hyou got your head around it..
[18:06] <Gadgetoid> Hodapp: I'm struggling with why it's called XBian
[18:06] <kn1000> we've got the arduino connected to two optoisolators, which are then connected to a h bridge with its own power supply which then drives the motor?
[18:06] <Essobi> Gadgetoid: cause sybian was already taken?
[18:06] <kn1000> ignoring the light sensor and the raspberry pi's power source
[18:06] <Gadgetoid> Hodapp: Either it's actually based around Debian, or they thought "hey, Raspbian has a bian in it, let's use that!"
[18:06] <kn1000> will a h bridge accept 3v3 logic?
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[18:07] <Essobi> kn1000: it doesn't need to
[18:07] <kn1000> I apologize, I am only recently learning this stuff
[18:07] <Essobi> the darlington opto is essentially a light controlled switch
[18:08] <kn1000> is it anything like a mechanical relay?
[18:08] <Essobi> yes
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> kn1000, you realy don't need optoisolators if your driving e.g. standard H-bridge circuits from the Pi.
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> It's overkill.
[18:08] <kn1000> OH RIGHT
[18:08] <kn1000> gordonDrogon, I'm overengineering for future projects lol
[18:08] <Essobi> but instead it uses a IR LED and a LED IR receiver
[18:08] <kn1000> Essobi, so basically what's happening here ignoring everything else other than the motor control circuitry
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> fairenough, but if you're careful not to short anything then just connect the inputs of the motor driver directly .
[18:09] <Essobi> it's essentially an isolated switch that the computer can turn on and off...
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> kn1000, the H bridges I'm using work off 3.3 just fine.
[18:09] <kn1000> we've got 3v3 logic entering the optoisolator, which when allows 5v separate power to flow to a h bridge's logic ports, which then obviously powers the motor
[18:09] <Essobi> gordonDrogon: yep...depends on the specs thou
[18:09] <gordonDrogon> great for low voltage DC motors - for mains, then you would need an opto isolator!
[18:09] <Essobi> kn1000: join #rpihax
[18:09] <kn1000> I guess you could also hook that 5v to the h bridges power source too to save energy
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> I hook the H bridges supply to 3.3
[18:10] <Gadgetoid> An H-bridge is just a bunch of transistors and diodes, isn't it? build your own :D
[18:10] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yup, but sometimes having everything in one tiny chip is handy...
[18:10] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Unless your goal is to learn things, of course
[18:11] <Gadgetoid> My brain is still a bit fail about the difference between PNP and NPN
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> I'm using these: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/tb6612fng-dual-motor-driver-carrier-p-482.html
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[18:12] <Gadgetoid> Ah NPN triggered on a "high" and PNP on a low
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> don't forget to reverse the polariy of the neutron flow first ...
[18:16] <Essobi> IMGIVENERALLSHESGOTCAPPN!!!ONE!!!ELEVEN!1!
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[18:18] <Gadgetoid> I went to the best Startrek Exhibition ever in Orlando??? it was about three square feet
[18:18] <Gadgetoid> And the "curator" would walk up to you and, totally unprompted, deliver weird pre-prepared speeches about the props as if he were some automatically triggered box??? I think he was an Android
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[18:20] <Essobi> Gadgetoid: heh... 3 square feet? Heh.
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[18:21] <Essobi> He was really a boobgrazer in trekkies clothing.
[18:21] <Gadgetoid> Essobi: Well, it might have been a little larger??? but it was still pretty underwhelming
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[18:28] <f8ba208e18> hello guys
[18:29] <steve_rox> hello
[18:31] <mongrelion> \o
[18:31] <mongrelion> xbian halts from time to time. fail.
[18:31] <mongrelion> freezes *
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[18:43] <f8ba208e18> anyone here tried doing some timpelapses videos with their pi?
[18:44] <[SLB]> no but you can have your cam capture every n seconds
[18:44] <f8ba208e18> how would you do that?
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[18:44] <[SLB]> i use fswebcam for example
[18:44] <f8ba208e18> I did a short timelapse overnight using Motion, but I'm trying to find a solution that uses less memory...
[18:45] <f8ba208e18> I'll look into fswebcam
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[18:46] <[SLB]> the switch is -l i believe, and use --save to save the capture onto a file named accordingly, so that it won't overwrites every capture
[18:46] <f8ba208e18> cool
[18:46] <[SLB]> :)
[18:46] <f8ba208e18> http://store.sony.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=20153&langId=200&catalogId=100803&identifier=S_Laptops_S
[18:46] <f8ba208e18> oops wrong link...
[18:47] <f8ba208e18> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nts0z7k83usaoil/20120813-timelapse_1.mpg
[18:47] <f8ba208e18> this one
[18:47] <f8ba208e18> that's what I got overnight... cool moonrise
[18:49] <[SLB]> nice :)
[18:49] <[SLB]> what frame rate?
[18:49] <f8ba208e18> 2
[18:49] <f8ba208e18> but I dont think thats right
[18:49] <f8ba208e18> I didnt see any difference with "2" and "100"
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[18:50] <[SLB]> frame per seconds?
[18:50] <f8ba208e18> yes
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[18:51] <[SLB]> hm not sure, for sure from like 30 to 100, if that even works, you won't notice any difference
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[18:52] <[SLB]> but it looks about right
[18:52] <f8ba208e18> oh well
[18:52] <f8ba208e18> I'm somewhat happy with the result
[18:52] <[SLB]> eheh
[18:52] <f8ba208e18> I'm recording one right now, but it's not very nice out, the result is not going to be great
[18:53] <[SLB]> and you got the images and merged them later or motion encodes the video files as it goes?
[18:53] <f8ba208e18> motion does that on-the-go
[18:53] <[SLB]> ah okai
[18:53] <f8ba208e18> or I would've used FFmpeg to merge them all in one neat file
[18:53] <[SLB]> yes
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[19:03] <reider59> Got 2 screens on the go here and fixing the Photography Club lappie in the other room. full up to the gunnels with nonsense, slow and not working properly with the printer. Nobody knew where the OS or restoration software was. Luckilly I had a nosy and nobody has created them yet, so just doing it before I wipe it all.
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[19:05] <reider59> it will only let you create the back to factory settings restore once so obviously nobody did them
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[19:07] <Gaddel> does anyone know the effectiveness of the proposed use of an ethernet cable entering the rj-45 port as a low cost "pushbutton"?
[19:08] <Essobi> Umm... I'd think you'd wear out your jack.
[19:08] <Gaddel> why do you think so?
[19:08] <Essobi> The MTBF on insertion is way lower then a pushbutton.
[19:11] <Gaddel> i got the idea from this thread: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2528
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[19:12] <Gaddel> i've been having trouble finding a way to connect a single LED and a single pushbutton without buying an expansion board or breadboard
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[19:15] <reider59> if you mean a power on/off I use a remote controlled socket and just turn mine on/off with a remote
[19:15] <reider59> 3 for ?5 when I got mine
[19:16] <reider59> I think asda mispriced them because they are ?15 now and the same make/model
[19:16] <Gaddel> nah, i want a small button i can place on the board that i can use programmatically
[19:16] <reider59> I got 2 sets
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[19:19] <criten> Hey
[19:20] <bertrik> Gaddel: can't you use one of the GPIOs on the extension header? perhaps there's one GPIO with a GND next to it that you could put a 2-pin jumper-style connector on
[19:20] <criten> bertrik: Cant you use any pin as a ground? Just set the state to LOW
[19:21] <bertrik> yes
[19:21] <criten> So tjat shouldn't be a problem : ]
[19:21] <criten> that
[19:21] <Gaddel> bertrik: i don't know much about electronics; trying to learn it with the pi. all the LED and button connectors i've seen seem to stick into something, as opposed to sticking onto a pin
[19:22] <Gaddel> could you point me to a connector that works like that?
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[19:23] <Gaddel> "pushbutton jumper connector" isn't giving me much on google
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[19:23] <marcusw> criten: are you sure that GPIO pins are rated for -V? because in general (from my very limited experience), sinking stuff to GPIO sounds like a bad idea...
[19:24] <bertrik> like this https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10367, cut one end and solder it to a pushbutton, push the other end on the correct pins of the extension header
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[19:24] <Gaddel> bertrik: never soldered anything before. can i just cut it in half like that? and what part of the button do i solder exactly?
[19:24] <Essobi> Perhaps I'll make some raspi tutorials and put them on my website..
[19:25] <bertrik> you have to be careful programming the GPIOs, make sure that you don't configure them both as output with opposing voltage
[19:25] <Gaddel> bertrik: i think that's the easy part for me, i've read up a lot on how not to short my board. i just don't know anything about soldering or which peripherals i need
[19:26] <reider59> Theres a soldering cartoon in the forum for training on soldering, may be in MagPi magazine, in fact I think it's in issue 4, this months
[19:26] <reider59> http://themagpi.com/
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> ok. Pi booted on battery pack No. 2. 6 x AA's. Can't go wrong with AA's.
[19:27] <bertrik> perhaps if you use one of the I2C pins, it can't short-cut (i2c pins often can only drive low) and you get the pull-up "for free"
[19:28] * gordonDrogon boggles
[19:28] <reider59> get some old wires, tin the ends, solder them together, an old IC and solder anything to it, all good practice
[19:28] <Gaddel> what's an IC/I2C?
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> Don't use a GPIO pin as ground - use the proper ground pin.
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> GPIOS can sink current, but they're not to be used a general purpose gound pins!
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> And the I2C pins are pulled high via 1.8Kohm resistors.
[19:29] <reider59> a circuit board, some old phone or something that s broken and doesn't matter too much then solder stuff to it as practice
[19:29] <Gaddel> ok
[19:29] <reider59> get hold of a meter and test the continuity etc
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> reider59, good idea - I use scaps of stripboard when showing people.
[19:29] <marcusw> rpi has i2c?
[19:29] <marcusw> what?
[19:30] <bertrik> marcusw: yes
[19:30] <bertrik> gordonDrogon wrote a library for it
[19:30] <reider59> thats true but if his dad has an iron, someone has a meter and he has some broken phones or other stuff it saves on cost. If he takes to it then he can purchase stuff
[19:30] <marcusw> :o
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[19:31] <criten> marcusw: They are I/O pins. They are made to be able to detects a signal, to do so they have to sinc some current
[19:31] <reider59> gordon knows some good but cheap kits too if you go for it
[19:31] <Gaddel> gordonDrogon: if i'm looking to just add, say, one single LED and one single pushbutton, what are my best options? i saw the small expansion boards on your blog (piface and piio), but they don't seem to have good purchase or shipping options for the US
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[19:32] <Gaddel> gordonDrogon: should i try and solder a button to a jumper wire like bertrik suggested?
[19:32] <marcusw> criten: ah, ok, I thought they were output, not input
[19:32] <criten> marcusw: As gordonDrogon said though.... Don't use it as a general ground though haha
[19:33] <marcusw> right, that's what I thought
[19:33] <Tenchworks> YAY just got my second RasbPi case
[19:33] <criten> Tenchworks: Which one did you get? I've been holding off on buying one.. haha
[19:33] <marcusw> so has anyone here thought of using the rpi as part of a reprap toolchain?
[19:33] <reider59> Won't the button and jumper wire need a resistor too?
[19:33] <marcusw> perhaps it and the gertboard could drive the steppers?
[19:34] <Tenchworks> I have one from built to spec and my ModMyPi one just got in
[19:34] <Tenchworks> one sec and i'll get ya links
[19:34] <Gaddel> reider59: probably. i think adding a resistor is one of the easier parts though.
[19:34] <criten> It and an arduino probably could drive the teppers.
[19:34] <criten> steppers*
[19:34] <marcusw> I was kind of hoping that
[19:34] <Tenchworks> http://builttospecstore.storenvy.com/products/404262-raspberry-pi-enclosure-kit
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[19:34] <marcusw> I've got two of them sitting around doing not much
[19:34] <reider59> this is where the breadboard is handy, to try things out before soldering
[19:35] <Tenchworks> https://www.modmypi.com/shop/raspberry-pi-cases/raspberry-pi-case-red-white
[19:35] <reider59> But if it's a one off and you don't intend doing anything else I see your point
[19:35] <Tenchworks> they both look nice yet so different
[19:35] <Hodapp> quick opinion question: HTTP REST requests need to map to some (very simple) C calls. What's a good way to do this on an RPi?
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[19:36] <trevorman> Gaddel: buy a breadboard and https://www.adafruit.com/products/914
[19:36] <criten> If you plan on controling a stepper motor get a buffer with an inverting output
[19:36] <Hodapp> actually, saying they need to map to C calls is misleading. A C daemon will be running in the background but I don't think I'll be able to 'call' it - it'll be refreshing a display via SPI, every N milliseconds
[19:36] <Gaddel> trevorman: i could buy one for testing purposes but i just want to hook up 1-2 buttons/LEDs onto the board itself, that i can use portably
[19:37] <criten> I'm annoying that they didn't add any mounting holes on the Pi... that would make building cases SO much easier..
[19:37] <Gaddel> Hodapp: are you using CGI or what? is C required for your HTTP backend?
[19:38] <trevorman> Gaddel: a socket and a piece of stripboard then
[19:38] <trevorman> you'll just have to break the strip in the middle of that socket
[19:38] <Gaddel> trevorman: what kind of socket?
[19:39] <Hodapp> Gaddel: No C is required for the HTTP backend. The C portion just handles talking to some hardware, so perhaps I'll stick its framebuffer in shared memory and let the HTTP portion also use that shared memory.
[19:39] <bertrik> Hodapp: can't you prototype this on a PC first?
[19:39] <Hodapp> the framebuffer is like 56*3 bytes.
[19:40] <Hodapp> bertrik: why would I?
[19:40] <Gaddel> Hodapp: in that case you could just make the backend in python or PHP or whatever you like, i think
[19:40] <Gaddel> Hodapp: do you want the daemon to make local HTTP requests? or do you want it to receive requests remotely?
[19:41] <Hodapp> receive them remotely
[19:41] <bertrik> faster compiler, easier to use editor, etc. HTTP REST handling doesn't appear to be a raspberry pi specific
[19:41] <Hodapp> bertrik: and a PC lacks the GPIO that I am using to communicate over.
[19:42] <Essobi> Haha, take that musicbrainz server.
[19:42] <Gaddel> Hodapp: so you're wondering how upon receiving a request, C code could be called?
[19:42] <bertrik> Hodapp: ok, your choice
[19:42] <Hodapp> bertrik: No, it's not a choice. The PC is simply not an option.
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[19:42] <Hodapp> Besides, I mostly code in vim anyway.
[19:43] <Hodapp> Gaddel: C code won't be called directly, but it'll be interacted with somehow.
[19:43] <loadbang> is there an easy way to go from the foundation version of raspian to pisces version without having to wipe the SD card?
[19:43] <Gaddel> Hodapp: i suppose it would depend on how it's interacted with. i imagine if you want to read from or write to a display, a C function would need to be called
[19:44] <Hodapp> Gaddel: the C code has to be calling things in background. It can't just do it in response to a request.
[19:44] <Gaddel> Hodapp: ok, so what is the relationship between the HTTP REST service and the C code?
[19:45] <Hodapp> Gaddel: The former interacts with the latter. Just because it can't call into it directly doesn't mean that no interaction can occur.
[19:45] <Gaddel> Hodapp: well, what's your exact question/concern then
[19:45] <Hodapp> said interaction might be changing the image in a framebuffer, for instance.
[19:46] <Essobi> Does not mean... no... *head pops*
[19:46] <trevorman> Gaddel: something like http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Double-row-right-angled-PCB-sockets-2-54mm-pitch-180588 you'll need to find the equivalent at whatever your favoured local electronics supplier is
[19:46] <Gaddel> thanks trevorman
[19:46] <Hodapp> Gaddel: Same as the original one: I am looking around for good ways of doing this because 'shared memory' is just a conjecture.
[19:47] <trevorman> if you don't want the board to be attached directly to the RPi then you'll need to put a ribbon cable in the middle. similar to that adafruit design
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> Gaddel, sorry - been AFK - soldering.
[19:47] <Essobi> Atomic FIFO queue?
[19:47] <Gaddel> trevor: i'm fine with it being attached directly.
[19:47] <Hodapp> Essobi: To be?
[19:47] <Hodapp> er, to me?
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> Gaddel, get a breadboard of some sorts - seek out the usual compoment sellers in your country.
[19:48] <Gaddel> gordonDrogon: can the breadboard be attached to the pi directly? i've never used/worked with breadboard or similar things before
[19:48] <Essobi> Hodapp: Yup.. depends on what you're doing but can be better then shared memory.. ideally they're lockless. IDK if you can do that on an arm thou.
[19:49] <bertrik> or a local socket :)
[19:49] <Hodapp> bertrik: this is true.
[19:49] <criten> Gaddel: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/112
[19:49] <trevorman> attaching a breadboard to that double row pinheader is going to need an unusual part
[19:49] <Hodapp> long as I can do a non-blocking read.
[19:49] <trevorman> it'll be a socket on a PCB but no idea how easy it is to buy/find those
[19:50] <criten> Hodapp: threads! :p
[19:50] <Hodapp> o_O
[19:50] <bertrik> or just a bunch of male-female jumper wires https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9140
[19:50] <criten> Threads can make blocking functions non-blocking. In a way..
[19:51] <Hodapp> I'd like to avoid threads.
[19:51] <criten> Haha have you used Qt before?
[19:51] <criten> They have some fantastic socket libs
[19:51] <trevorman> Hodapp: use message queues if thats all you want
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[19:52] <Gaddel> trevorman: could a socket be used without a breadboard, possibly? or is it not designed to do that?
[19:52] <trevorman> Gaddel: if you're happy with soldering directly to it yes
[19:52] <trevorman> if you want a cable then look at the IDC sockets instead which have a ribbon cable coming off it
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[19:54] <Gaddel> trevorman: http://www.rapidonline.com/Cables-Connectors/Double-row-right-angled-PCB-sockets-2-54mm-pitch-180588 ok so if i use one of these, with the right amount of holes, what part would i be soldering exactly
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[19:55] <trevorman> not sure what you're asking
[19:56] <Gaddel> trevorman: well why does it need to be soldered, i suppose. can the socket not just fit directly over the GPIO pins and stay in place?
[19:56] <trevorman> the socket isn't soldered to the rpi
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[19:57] <trevorman> you need to solder the other side of it e.g. the stripboard or your LEDs
[19:57] <Hodapp> trevorman: What sort of message queues do you mean?
[19:57] <trevorman> you just want to notify this other process that it needs to do something?
[19:58] <Hodapp> I need to pass in data too
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[19:58] <gordonDrogon> Gaddel, you can use glue...
[19:58] <trevorman> how much data?
[19:59] <Hodapp> trevorman: 56*3 bytes (plus some encoding so HTTP can sanely carry it, probably)
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> Gaddel, I use these: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-a-p-1070.html
[19:59] <trevorman> ah. probably not a good idea to use ipc msg queues then
[19:59] <Hodapp> this is why I was considering shared memory
[20:00] <Essobi> I like shoving weird shit over protocols not designed for it... :D
[20:00] <trevorman> making it listen to a local network port wouldn't work?
[20:00] <Essobi> woops... forgot the language.
[20:01] <marcusw> Essobi: that's lots of fun on the internet...have you ever tunneled IP through openvpn through ssh through 6tunnel through dns tunnel?
[20:01] <Hodapp> trevorman: hmm, I suppose I could do this
[20:01] <f8ba208e18> marcusw: whats the point of all this?
[20:01] <marcusw> f8ba208e18: university firewall :p
[20:01] <f8ba208e18> wouldn't a simple vpn do?
[20:01] <Hodapp> trevorman: though I don't really know how to do this in C... event loop or something?
[20:01] <Essobi> marcusw: No but I embedded caller-id in reverse DNS. :D
[20:02] <marcusw> no...only thing that worked was dns over ipv6
[20:02] <marcusw> and ssh you just use for everything, so...
[20:02] <marcusw> Essobi: that's awesome
[20:02] <f8ba208e18> weird
[20:02] <Gaddel> Hodapp: i would recommend using an asynchronous event loop library like libevent/libev
[20:02] <bertrik> Hodapp: what kind of HTTP server do you plan to use?
[20:02] <Essobi> marcusw: ty. :D
[20:02] <trevorman> eh. if its simple then you can just do it all manually. loads of examples out there for simple IP servers written in C
[20:03] <Essobi> Hodapp: Single consumer/producer?
[20:03] <marcusw> trevorman: s/IP/HTTP/?
[20:03] <trevorman> HTTP isn't hard to do :P
[20:03] <Hodapp> bertrik: I don't have one selected.
[20:04] <trevorman> I said IP because you could just do it as UDP anyway
[20:04] <marcusw> Hodapp: python2 -m SimpleHTTPServer
[20:04] <marcusw> trevorman: ah, ok
[20:04] <Hodapp> marcusw: Will that permit me to easily handle REST requests?
[20:05] * marcusw has no idea
[20:05] <Hodapp> 9_9
[20:05] <trevorman> Hodapp: your spec keeps getting more complicated :P
[20:05] <trevorman> when did REST become part of this?
[20:05] <marcusw> if you want a quick but solid http server, SimpleHTTPServer does the trick
[20:05] <marcusw> you can customize it, too
[20:05] <marcusw> put your own URL handlers and stuff in there
[20:06] <Hodapp> trevorman: since the first question I asked, 30 minutes ago.
[20:06] <marcusw> of course, that's kind of security-dangerous if you don't know what you're doing...
[20:06] <Hodapp> "13:33 <+Hodapp> quick opinion question: HTTP REST requests need to map to some (very simple) C calls. What's a good way to do this on an RPi?"
[20:06] <trevorman> ah
[20:06] <trevorman> idk. probably easier to just find a small framework you can use
[20:06] <marcusw> yeah, I'd actually do it with python
[20:06] <Hodapp> I'm looking at Python.
[20:06] <trevorman> implementing it all from scratch would be annoying
[20:06] <marcusw> and then just have that run a shell script or c program or something
[20:07] <marcusw> web applications in c = pretty much never done
[20:07] <Hodapp> I might be able to write the C program to just get input from stdin or something
[20:07] <marcusw> yeah, that would do it
[20:07] <Hodapp> then I don't have to deal with ctypes or anything.
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[20:07] <marcusw> yeah, I wouldn't mess with ctypes for something like this
[20:08] <marcusw> I mean, it will be fast
[20:08] * bertrik needs to read up on REST
[20:08] <marcusw> but then your python program can segfault
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[20:10] <Essobi> meh... musicbrainz server data files are taking FOREVER to download..
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[20:11] <Hodapp> musicbrainz is still around?
[20:11] <Hodapp> I remember back in the day in 2004 or so trying to get their damn library to build and it would never freaking work right
[20:12] <mru> I'd expect nothing else from a name like that
[20:13] <marcusw> Hodapp: http://k0a1a.net/svn/meme20/as-of-29-june-08/meme20-attiny/c-dron/serv/webserver.py
[20:13] <marcusw> you can use that and modify the handlers to do stuff
[20:14] <marcusw> of course, or you can go the cgi route and run apache with python cgi scripts
[20:14] <marcusw> python cgi is not a bad deal...it's actually pretty nice to work with
[20:16] <Hodapp> if I can avoid Apache, I'd like to. Nothing against Apache, I just don't think as a dependency it's worth it.
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[20:16] <marcusw> right
[20:16] <f8ba208e18> lighttpd
[20:16] <criten> Hodapp: try lighttpd
[20:16] <marcusw> I would use nginx instead if I wanted something like that
[20:16] <f8ba208e18> i setup my pi with lighttpd and fastcgi ac ouple of days ago, works good.
[20:17] <criten> f8ba208e18: Yupp.. i remember that : ] haha
[20:17] <Hodapp> when I said "nothing against Apache", the emphasis meant was more than I don't just want to include in $whatever_web_server instead particularly if Python has some usable ones built-in
[20:17] <Hodapp> s/than/that/
[20:18] <marcusw> right
[20:18] <marcusw> as I said
[20:18] <marcusw> be careful with your URL handlers
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[20:18] <marcusw> especially if this will be public-facing
[20:18] <marcusw> or you're vulnerable to stuff like directory traversal
[20:19] <Hodapp> if it's public-facing, the worst I can think of is that someone might realize it's a public LED display and make it flash "LIVE NUDES"
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[20:19] <Hodapp> which, honestly, is probably going to happen anyway
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[20:24] * bertrik read the REST wiki page but is not quite sure he "gets" the essence of REST
[20:24] <marcusw> I think it means GET/PUT/DELETE and all that
[20:24] <bertrik> or maybe it's all just a lot simpler than it appears / pretends to be
[20:24] <marcusw> instead of just GET
[20:25] <bertrik> so, PUT to set a message on a display, GET to get the current message and DELETE to clear the display, for example?
[20:25] <markllama> and it's NO XML-RPC.
[20:25] <Hodapp> marcusw: It's basically just using those HTTP commands to communicate with a web service.
[20:25] <marcusw> right
[20:25] <Hodapp> sort of like SOAP except that it's not a monumental atrocity.
[20:25] <marcusw> so from our server capability end, it means we need to handle GET/PUT/POST/DELETE and their friends
[20:26] <markllama> heh. It's just a monumental oversimplification.
[20:26] <Hodapp> marcusw: It might be just GET. I may not end up needing all the commands
[20:27] <markllama> each "object" gets a unique representation in the path hierarchy. commands are "objects" that you PUT or POST values on.
[20:28] <marcusw> Hodapp: I'd stick with spec and use POST for anything that changes the server state
[20:28] <marcusw> you know, just to be on the safe side
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[20:30] <Hodapp> er, yeah, that's what I meant
[20:31] * markllama notes that you're correct.
[20:31] <paws> I am trying to run .avi file with omxplayer movie.avi and i am getting
[20:31] <paws> ERROR: COMXPlayer:: OpenFile - av_probe_input_buffer movie.avi
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[20:35] <tola> Hi, I'm not sure if I've correctly copied my first raspbian image to my MMC card. What filesystem is used for the partition? I don't seem to be able to mount it.
[20:36] <bertrik> I'll have a look
[20:37] <trevorman> first partition is always FAT
[20:37] <trevorman> any others would be ext4 or swap I assume
[20:37] <bertrik> yes, FAT for the partition to become /boot and ext4 for the other
[20:37] <tola> hmm so I should be able to mount it with "sudo mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mmc"
[20:38] <trevorman> have you unplugged and plugged it back in?
[20:38] <tola> trevorman: Several times
[20:39] <trevorman> you able to read the partition table?
[20:39] <bertrik> by the way, is it really an MMC card (no SD/SDHC)?
[20:41] <tola> Partition table shows "/dev/mmcblk0p1p1 8192 122879 57344 c W95 FAT32 (LBA)" and "/dev/mmcblk0p1p2 122880 3788799 1832960 83 Linux"
[20:41] <tola> Sorry, it's a 4TG SD HC6 card from Transcend
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[20:43] <paws> Which video player do you guys use to play .avi files ?
[20:43] <marcusw> mplayer?
[20:43] <marcusw> mplayer plays everything
[20:43] <marcusw> heck, it does .flv
[20:44] <paws> Ok thanx
[20:45] <trevorman> tola: you're trying to mount the wrong device
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[20:47] <tola> trevorman: Do you mean I should be trying to mount "/dev/mmcblk0p1p2" ?
[20:48] <trevorman> if you want the linux partition yes
[20:48] <trevorman> you were trying to mount mmcblk0p1 which isn't the right one
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[20:49] <tola> trevorman: Weirdly, mount says "mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1p2 does not exist" if I try and mount that one (and also p1p1 at the end)
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[20:49] <trevorman> hrm
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[20:50] <tola> trevorman: Also weird is that while fdisk shows the output I listed above, GParted shows 5MiB of empty space, then a 3.7GiB partition of "unknown" filesystem
[20:51] <chithead> fdisk will happily append p1 etc. but the kernel will not see partitions inside partitions
[20:51] <trevorman> what chithead said
[20:51] <trevorman> you didn't write the image to mmcblk0p1 did you?
[20:52] <tola> trevorman: Ah, good thinking, I bet that's what I did!
[20:52] <tola> let me re-try
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[20:53] <maxime> Hi everyone
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[20:54] <maxime> I have a small question about raspbian, where can I tweak the option for the root partition ? Changing it into /etc/fstab do nothing, so it must be done somewhere else I assume but... where ?
[20:55] <trevorman> look in /boot
[20:55] <maxime> trevorman: the command line ?
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[20:55] <trevorman> yeah
[20:56] <maxime> trevorman: how do you pass option such as ro into the command line ?
[20:56] <maxime> root=/block/device,ro,options ?
[20:57] <trevorman> ro by itself
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[20:57] <maxime> trevorman: like ro=yes ?
[20:57] <trevorman> no. just "ro"
[20:58] <maxime> trevorman: and what about other option like barrier, nobh, etc.. ?
[20:58] <tola> trevorman: Yep it works now, thanks a million!
[20:58] <trevorman> maxime: you can't do those from the kernel args
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[20:59] <trevorman> you got a initrd?
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[21:00] <maxime> trevorman: don't think so
[21:00] <trevorman> can you remount it with your options?
[21:00] <maxime> Tried to poke around /etc/init.d and /lib/init but not much success in my findings
[21:01] <maxime> trevorman: nay, / is busy
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[21:03] <trevorman> hrm. i'm not entirely sure of the startup for debian but fstab where you were looking originally is generally where you set stuff like this. the initrd would mount it and then pivot root.
[21:03] <trevorman> sorry for the wild goose chase
[21:03] <maxime> not at all, that's what i thought also
[21:04] <maxime> from what I've seen, it seems that a script in /etc/init.d does that
[21:04] <maxime> or maybe the kernel itself...
[21:04] <maxime> that would not make much sense, it's not its job to mount something
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[21:06] <dwatkins> Will Farnell replace a board which has a faulty network interface? Mine drops out under load with any power supply I've tried.
[21:06] <chithead> yes, unless it has been overvolted
[21:06] <dwatkins> thanks chithead, I've not overclocked it or anything like that
[21:07] <chithead> some distros unfortunately overclock by default
[21:07] <dwatkins> eek, I hope I havn't used any of them
[21:07] <Gaddel> i just burned raspbian to an SD card on linux via dd, but for some reason my /boot and /sys directories are empty
[21:07] <bertrik> chithead: can you name a few?
[21:07] <Gaddel> when viewing the filesystem
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[21:07] <aykut> arch
[21:07] <dwatkins> I've run Wheezy and Raspian, nothing obscure
[21:08] <marcusw> Gaddel: /boot is a separate partition, not sure about /sys though
[21:08] <dwatkins> Gaddel: aren't they just mountpoints?
[21:08] <marcusw> Gaddel: try it and if it doesn't work, then worry about it
[21:08] <dwatkins> I think /sys is a virtual mountpoint, yeah
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[21:08] <dwatkins> much like /proc, it's populated by the kernel
[21:08] <Gaddel> marcusw: well i'm trying to follow these instructions: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/38/prepare-for-ssh-without-a-screen
[21:08] <chithead> bertrik: at least raspbmc does
[21:08] <marcusw> yeah, that's what I thought
[21:09] <marcusw> hmmm
[21:09] <marcusw> interesting little note there
[21:09] <Gaddel> i seem to have a "boot" partition mounted on /dev/sdb2 but it doesn't contain the files listed
[21:09] <marcusw> yeah, so what you need to do is look in /etc/rc.local
[21:09] <[SLB]> that's the mount point for /boot
[21:09] <marcusw> there's a little bit there that has lines related to IPs
[21:10] <marcusw> Gaddel: check /dev/sdb1
[21:10] <bertrik> oh wait, I'm confused between overclocking and overvolting, overvolting voids warranty, but I suppose overclokcing does not
[21:10] <marcusw> that's where the boot files are
[21:10] <dwatkins> I'll contact Farnell and find out what their criteria are.
[21:10] <Gaddel> marcusw: /dev/sdb1 seems to contain the raspbian OS root partition
[21:10] <chithead> indeed, overvolting by default would be bad. but overclocking just affects system stability
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[21:13] <marcusw> ah, ok, I see what you're saying
[21:13] <marcusw> and I don't have a boot.rc either
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[21:13] <Gaddel> marcusw: so what file do i need to edit exactly
[21:13] <marcusw> so what exactly are you trying to do?
[21:14] <Gaddel> marcusw: connect to the pi via SSH, without a screen. (HDMI cables cost like $40-50 in my area, while i can get them for $1 online)
[21:14] <marcusw> have you tried just booting it?
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[21:14] <marcusw> ssh might be enabled by default
[21:14] <Gaddel> marcusw: according to that post, ssh does not run by default but is installed by default
[21:15] <marcusw> that was in june
[21:15] <bertrik> sshd did not work for me by default
[21:15] <marcusw> things change
[21:15] <bertrik> about 10 days ago
[21:15] <marcusw> also, he was using squeeze, not raspbian
[21:15] <Gaddel> ah
[21:15] <Gaddel> bertrik were you running raspbian?
[21:16] <bertrik> yes
[21:16] <Gaddel> yeah it appears this boot.rc file is in squeeze, not raspbian. that's the problem
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[21:17] <marcusw> Gaddel: so what you need to do is check out /usr/bin/raspi-config
[21:17] <marcusw> in the do_ssh() function
[21:17] <Gaddel> ok
[21:17] <marcusw> that's how the system enables ssh
[21:17] <marcusw> update-rc.d ssh enable
[21:18] <marcusw> so yeah
[21:19] <marcusw> what you need to do is add some symlinks in /etc/rcX.d to /etc/init.d/ssh
[21:19] <Gaddel> well i'm looking at do_ssh()
[21:20] <marcusw> do_ssh calls update-rc.d ssh enable
[21:20] <Gaddel> right
[21:20] <marcusw> which makes symlinks in /etc/rcX.d
[21:20] <marcusw> so yeah
[21:20] <Gaddel> ah ok
[21:20] <Gaddel> does linux just look for startup scripts in /etc/rc .d files?
[21:20] <marcusw> rcX.d's 2-6 need S02ssh symlinked to ../init.d/ssh
[21:21] <marcusw> yeah
[21:21] <marcusw> runlevels and stuff
[21:21] <marcusw> it's kind of complicated
[21:21] <Gaddel> yep seems pretty complicated...
[21:21] <marcusw> runlevels 2-6 want ssh enabled, though
[21:21] <marcusw> and the way you do that is with symlinks
[21:21] <[SLB]> technically you'd just need it for 3 and 5
[21:21] <Gaddel> do i make an rc7.d, or what?
[21:21] <marcusw> $ ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S02ssh
[21:21] <marcusw> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug 11 13:28 /etc/rc2.d/S02ssh -> ../init.d/ssh
[21:22] <Gaddel> oh
[21:22] <marcusw> [SLB]: actually, my install appears to boot to 2 by default
[21:22] <Gaddel> so i need to make a symlink in each of the folders
[21:22] <marcusw> so
[21:22] <[SLB]> hmm let me check on my pi
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[21:22] <marcusw> ln -s ../init.d/ssh /etc/rc2.d/S02ssh
[21:22] <marcusw> and then again for 3-6
[21:22] <Gaddel> so only 2, 3, 4, 5, 6?
[21:23] <[SLB]> 6 is reboot, that definitely doesn't need it
[21:23] <Gaddel> so 2-5
[21:24] <marcusw> [SLB]: it's in there, though...
[21:24] <marcusw> oh, wait, I lied
[21:24] <marcusw> or rather, I read wrong
[21:24] <[SLB]> hm
[21:25] <[SLB]> i'm trying to look for it, am not natively a debian user
[21:25] <marcusw> Gaddel: and then if you can't guess the ip, put something in rc.local
[21:25] <criten> This excites me.. my robot server is compiling on my Pi : ]
[21:25] <criten> Hope all goes well... haha
[21:25] <Gaddel> marcusw: i think i'll just set a static IP for now
[21:25] <[SLB]> \o/
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[21:25] <Gaddel> so rc2.d - rc5.d, right?
[21:26] <criten> [SLB]: Be excited. haha
[21:26] <[SLB]> eheh
[21:26] <marcusw> I just tested nxt-python on rpi
[21:26] <marcusw> and it works
[21:26] <marcusw> nxt-python is now officially raspberry pi compatible
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[21:29] <Gaddel> alright, made the symlinks, thanks for the help. any other setting i have to change or anything?
[21:29] <[SLB]> just found them in [2-5]
[21:29] <[SLB]> i think you're good to go
[21:30] <Gaddel> ok cool, thanks
[21:30] <[SLB]> :)
[21:30] <[SLB]> btw yes mine boots into 2 too
[21:31] <[SLB]> and this is kinda weird to me eheh, redhat/fedora always booted in 3 (or 5) by default
[21:33] <[SLB]> ah indeed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel#Debian_Linux
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[21:36] <Gaddel> one more question: anyone have any suggestions for a good and small 5V battery pack?
[21:36] <Gaddel> maybe one from newegg or amazon
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[21:42] <Essobi> Gaddel: 4 AAs? :D
[21:42] <Gaddel> Essobi: the enclosure would be the problem though...
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[21:43] <Essobi> fair enough
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[21:45] <PigFlu> these .img files..
[21:45] <PigFlu> what are they exactly
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[21:46] <Gaddel> PigFlu: they're commonly used to contain linux and other disk images
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[21:47] <PigFlu> so they are "ready installed" operating systems?
[21:47] <PigFlu> or is it something that i need to install?
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[21:48] <Gaddel> PigFlu: when you burn it to your SD card, the OS is pretty much already installed and mostly set up
[21:48] <Essobi> It's two partitions minimum on the img... FAT32 for the kernel/firmware/config.txt and the root filesystem.
[21:48] <Essobi> dd it to an SD card.
[21:48] <phire> heh, I've never connected my raspberry pi to a tv before.
[21:48] <PigFlu> i have to use a windows pc, sadly
[21:49] <PigFlu> im guessing the win32diskimager works fine too?
[21:49] <Gaddel> yep, the one in the "SD easy card setup" tutorial works fine
[21:49] <Gaddel> SD card easy setup*
[21:49] <PigFlu> my shitty cardreader cant read SDHC cards apparently
[21:49] <Essobi> eww
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[21:49] <PigFlu> AppleReallySucks: rude
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[21:50] <phire> Anyone know if I can use my serial cable instead of a keyboard?
[21:50] <marcusw> what kind of serial cable?
[21:51] <Essobi> phire: just serial instead of a keyboard/screen?
[21:51] <PigFlu> how would you type on a serial cable?
[21:51] <PigFlu> it would be easier with a keyboard that had buttons imo
[21:51] <phire> well, repicate the same console across both the serial port and the screen
[21:51] <trevorman> phire: if there isn't getty running on that serial port then you'll need to start it but yeah you should be able to. just doing SSH would be easier thoughi mo
[21:51] <Essobi> PigFlu: dit dit dit, dot dot dot, dit dit dit...
[21:52] <marcusw> ssh would be better, yeah
[21:52] <marcusw> but what serial port?
[21:52] <Essobi> phire: yea.. google for raspberry pi serial console.. someone's done that already... you need a level shifter to get it from TTL to standard serial...
[21:52] <trevorman> there is one on the expansion header
[21:52] <phire> the serial port on the gpio header
[21:52] <Essobi> there's 2 serials technically, iirc..
[21:52] <phire> I've already been using it
[21:52] <trevorman> the SoC has two. we only have access to one.
[21:52] <phire> Essobi, they both come out on the same pins
[21:52] <marcusw> isn't one for the GPU?
[21:52] <Essobi> trevorman: srsly? That's weak.
[21:53] <trevorman> the alternative pins are either not connected to anything or are already used
[21:53] <trevorman> marcusw: no. the SoC has a PL011 UART and a mini UART which is cut down in terms of features
[21:54] <trevorman> both are for the ARM core
[21:54] <phire> well, the videocore could use them, but it doesn't
[21:54] <Essobi> trevorman: which one is exposed?
[21:54] <phire> both are exposed
[21:54] <Essobi> 15:50 <+trevorman> the SoC has two. we only have access to one.
[21:54] <phire> depending on how you setup the alternate functions on the gpios
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[21:55] <trevorman> the TXD and RXD pins on the expansion header can be connected as a regular GPIO, UART0 or UART1
[21:55] <trevorman> you pick by fiddling around with a register
[21:56] <phire> anyway, my question isn't about the hardware
[21:56] <phire> it's a linux question
[21:56] <trevorman> its connected by default to the PL011 one
[21:57] <Essobi> phire: http://www.seedsofgenius.net/linux/how-to-console-redirection-on-linux Not sure how you change the kernel options on rpi...
[21:57] <trevorman> typing over the serial port and operating the regular console?
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[21:57] <Essobi> but you need to tell the kernel to use it too..
[21:57] <phorce1> phire: http://bityard.blogspot.com/2012/06/raspberry-pi-serial-console-in-linux.html
[21:58] <trevorman> it is doable what you want but if you want to send the keystrokes over serial but see results on the screen then you'll need to mess around with it. don't think it'll do that by default.
[21:58] <phorce1> although that is directed more at someone who has no HDMI/Comp display available
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[21:58] <phire> Essobi, closer
[21:59] <Essobi> phire: Yup.. might have to recompile for default kernel options... idk.. might be a way to spec them on the fat32 partition.. check config.txt or whatever..
[21:59] <paws> Trying to run mplayer.. and i am getting
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[21:59] <trevorman> phire: so you just want a serial console? just set it on the kernel args then -.-
[21:59] <phire> but thats only redirecting error messages.
[22:00] <paws> libavformat version 53.21.0 (external). Mismatching header version 53.19.0
[22:00] <phire> trevorman, I want a single console that shows up in two places
[22:00] <phire> wait, I can just use screen to do that
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[22:01] <phire> I think
[22:01] <Essobi> phire: -x option.
[22:01] <Essobi> screen -x && screen -r -x
[22:02] <Essobi> phire: that link I set does talk about using it for logins too.
[22:02] <Essobi> *sent
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[22:02] <trevorman> just set console twice in the kernel args
[22:02] <trevorman> it'll pick whatever the last console is for input iirc
[22:03] <Essobi> Has anyone seen docs on gpu accelerated stuff that isn't for X?
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[22:03] <Hodapp> Essobi: I thought X already had no real interaction with the GPU on the RPi
[22:04] <phire> Essobi, there is source code in /opt/vc/src/
[22:05] <Essobi> phire: in what distro?
[22:05] <phire> and its just a standized EGL interface
[22:05] <phire> debian and arch
[22:05] <Essobi> ya? nice..
[22:05] <phire> you can download it from the firmware github
[22:05] <Essobi> I'm running darkbasic at home.. I'll have to do a deb git
[22:06] <phire> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/opt
[22:06] <Essobi> ty
[22:06] <criten> Woo
[22:07] <criten> I can control my 2-axis camera mount over the internet with no lag at all
[22:07] <phire> I'm just connecting my pi to the tv now to give this opengl es stuff a try
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[22:09] <paws> Trying to run mplayer.. and i am getting
[22:09] <Essobi> phire: thanks... just what I was looking for. :D
[22:09] <paws> libavformat version 53.21.0 (external). Mismatching header version 53.19.0
[22:10] <Essobi> paws: your library is out of sync with what mplayer was built for
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[22:10] <Essobi> phire: programmer?
[22:10] <paws> Essobi how should i sync it
[22:11] <PigFlu> this might be a dumb question, but how do i change the keyboard layout from US?
[22:11] <Essobi> paws: no idea... apt-get update?
[22:11] <paws> I did upgrade and update
[22:11] <PigFlu> im on raspbian
[22:11] <Essobi> PigFlu: dpkg-reconfigure console-data
[22:11] <Essobi> PigFlu: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and locales too while you're at it
[22:12] <phire> Essobi, you could say I'm a programmer
[22:12] <PigFlu> what does that doo
[22:12] <PigFlu> do*
[22:12] * jimerickson (~jimericks@75-170-144-104.desm.qwest.net) Quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
[22:12] <Essobi> But I'm not the only oooooone... maybe some day you can join us...
[22:12] <Essobi> and teh woooorld can code as oooone...
[22:13] <PigFlu> Essobi: i literally dont know how to type that command
[22:13] <PigFlu> i cant find the -
[22:13] <Essobi> Sorry... John Lennon on the brain.
[22:13] <phire> I've been working on reversing the videocore, thought I would take a look and how it looks from the other side
[22:13] <Essobi> PigFlu: copy/paste?
[22:13] <phire> just for a change
[22:13] <Essobi> phire: OH REEEEEEALLY....
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[22:14] <Essobi> Well.. if you do that without a NDA, I'm sure the BSD guys would dryhump your leg for the docs.
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[22:15] <PigFlu> Essobi: "package "console-data" is not installed"
[22:15] <Essobi> O_o
[22:15] <Essobi> apt-get install console-data?
[22:15] <PigFlu> im not on internet ;_;
[22:15] <Essobi> You sure you put the right - in there?
[22:15] <Essobi> D'oh...
[22:16] <PigFlu> it looks like it..
[22:17] <phire> I'm sure they would
[22:17] <Essobi> there's a unicode hyphen that looks like a dash... got me on a copy and paste the other day..
[22:17] <Essobi> phire: Doing this for personal gain I take it, then?
[22:17] <phire> for fun and knowledge
[22:17] <Essobi> Ah.
[22:18] <PigFlu> Essobi: but it works for dpkg-reconfigure
[22:18] <Essobi> Well.. there's a netbsd port in the works currently.. serial only thus far.
[22:18] <PigFlu> wouldnt it give me an error on that?
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[22:18] <PigFlu> if it was the wrong dash?
[22:18] <Essobi> PigFlu: oh... yea.
[22:18] <Essobi> ;)
[22:18] <phire> actually, getting 3d accleration on another os is not going to be hard
[22:18] <PigFlu> is there really no other way of changing the layout?
[22:18] <phire> because the firmware blob does everything
[22:18] <Essobi> Dear lord musicbrainz db is taking forever to install... *sigh*
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[22:19] <phire> Including complying the shaders
[22:19] <Essobi> PigFlu: That's how I did it on my darkbasic install, and that's based on raspbian sooo... idk off the top of my head..
[22:19] <[SLB]> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[22:19] <Essobi> phire: no sh*t?
[22:20] <phire> so all you need to do is pass opengl commands between the processors
[22:20] <phire> and all the message passing stuff is done in the open source kernel driver
[22:20] <Essobi> nice
[22:21] <Essobi> So take the driver... and start porting.
[22:21] <Essobi> Interesting.
[22:21] <phire> the closed source userspace libraries are mostly thin wrappers around ioctrl calls to /dev/vchiq
[22:21] <PigFlu> [SLB]: thanks :DD
[22:21] <[SLB]> :)
[22:21] <PigFlu> now to figure out what keyboard i have.. :/
[22:21] <[SLB]> eheh
[22:22] <Essobi> phire: fun! that doesn't sound to bad actually.. should be able to strace those mostly and figure out what's going on..
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[22:23] <Essobi> Heh.. I should go get NetBSD running, and rebuild the netbsd toaster.
[22:23] <Essobi> It plays videos in 1080P while making your toast!
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[22:24] <trevorman> but toaster has been done
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[22:24] <trevorman> need something new!
[22:24] <Essobi> trevorman: Duh? It's a running joke in the netbsd crowd.
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[22:25] <Essobi> trevorman: every couple of years a new iteration comes out.. the last was an ARM920T.
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[22:25] <trevorman> netbsd toaster oven then?
[22:26] <trevorman> reflow your PCBs whilst watching 1080p video
[22:26] <Essobi> :D It's a reflow and a pizza oven. :D
[22:26] <Essobi> haha
[22:26] <Essobi> that's funny
[22:28] <Essobi> Mmmm... what else could I build....
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[22:29] <marcusw> paws: did you get mplayer sorted?
[22:30] <marcusw> "the Raspberry Pi people got so much good will out of their claim it would all be for charity, then turned around and sold the rights to Farnell (A well-known charity... not)" --some guy from the reprap forums
[22:31] <marcusw> what's he talking about?
[22:31] <PigFlu> Essobi: i changed the keyboard layout i think, but the keys are just like they were..
[22:31] <PigFlu> do i need to restart something for the change to take effect?
[22:31] <criten> They deserve to make money off this.
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[22:35] <marcusw> farnell is a distributor, right?
[22:35] * plugwash feels that the foundation were stuck between a rock and a hard place
[22:36] <marcusw> yeah, they couldn't source locally due to scaling issues IIRC
[22:36] <plugwash> if they didn't get some reasonablly big companies involved as manufacturing/distribution partners they would never have kept up with demand
[22:36] <marcusw> and farnell is how they shipped to china
[22:36] <marcusw> but by "sold the rights", he means, "signed a manufacturing/dist contract"
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[22:36] <marcusw> not "sold all the IP"
[22:36] <plugwash> but those partners have been opaque and when they have behaved badly it reflects badly on the foundation
[22:37] <plugwash> marcusw, well we don't really know what rights they gave up because they have kept the actual terms of the contract secret
[22:38] <PigFlu> what is this raspi-config thing that comes up when i boot? i have no idea what to do
[22:38] <phire> rights vs exclusive rights
[22:38] <wad> I found a Dell flat-panel monitor, with DVI input, that has a USB hub built in. It seems to be powered, as it can power the pi! Pretty neat, the pi is connected to the monitor with two USB cables (plus HDMI), and the keyboard and mouse are connected to the monitor.
[22:39] <[SLB]> PigFlu, just choose finish if you don't have anything to change there
[22:39] <[SLB]> you can always recall it whenever you want
[22:39] <PigFlu> how.. i cant arrow down to it ;_;
[22:39] <[SLB]> tab
[22:39] <PigFlu> :D
[22:39] <[SLB]> :3
[22:40] <marcusw> plugwash: secret? why?
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[22:41] <plugwash> I presume farnell/RS pressured them into keeping the details of the deals secret
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[22:42] <plugwash> companies usually keep deals secret so that others making similar deals in future don't know what terms the previous guy got and hence can't use them for leverage
[22:42] <Hexxeh> umm, how on earth do you think they planned on meeting demand with deals like that?
[22:43] <Hexxeh> they stuck to their announced price, and i'd imagine the distributors aren't making a whole lot on these boards
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[22:43] <Hexxeh> of course, they're not charities, but that doesn't mean they can't work out a very favourable deal for the foundation
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[22:44] <Essobi> Hexxeh: Ideally, I'd assume they thought it'd be a loss leader to generate orders for other things they were selling..
[22:44] <Hexxeh> like accessories, yeah
[22:44] <Essobi> yessir
[22:45] <Hexxeh> plus think about it on a wider scale
[22:45] <Hexxeh> if you get people interested in electronics
[22:45] <Essobi> generated a crap top of press too...
[22:45] <Hexxeh> they're going to want to buy more
[22:45] <criten> Anyone be willing to try out my webcam remote and let me know how laggy it is over the internet
[22:45] <Essobi> *ton
[22:45] <Hexxeh> where will they get their stuff from? farnell/RS of course...
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[22:45] <Essobi> Hexxeh: yessir
[22:45] <Hexxeh> frankly i don't care, the distributors are doing a good job
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[22:46] <Essobi> Hexxeh: Since you're a man in the know... are there any raspbian from scratch docs floating around?
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[22:46] <Hexxeh> same as doing any other debian "from scratch" pretty much
[22:46] <Essobi> It's been years since I've build deb from scratch..
[22:46] <Hexxeh> create your partitions, format the first as fat32 and drop the firmware in, second as ext2/3/4 and debootstrap it
[22:46] <Hexxeh> and copy kernel modules ion
[22:46] <Hexxeh> *in
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[22:47] <Essobi> right... just use the raspian git?
[22:47] <Hexxeh> nope, google how to use debootstrap
[22:47] <maxime> Hey, I'm trying to change the mount option for the root partition but when I added a line in /etc/fstab but it's not taken into account, what did I do wrong ?
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[22:48] <Essobi> Hexxeh: roger that... thanks.
[22:48] <Hexxeh> maxime: you probably want to edit the kernel cmdline
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[22:49] <maxime> Hexxeh: well, I'm trying to add the noatime, barrier and nobh option, so I don't think I can put that in the command line. If it's the way to go, please enlighten me :)
[22:50] <Hexxeh> rootargs iirc
[22:50] <Hexxeh> rootflags even
[22:51] <Hexxeh> rootflags=noatime,barrier,nobh
[22:51] <maxime> Hexxeh: nice, I'm going to try that right now
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[22:52] <SpeedEvil> barrier is questionable for SD.
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[22:52] <SpeedEvil> hardware doesn't support
[22:52] <Hexxeh> SpeedEvil: i never said those options were all sane... :)
[22:52] <Hexxeh> noatime kinda makes sense
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[22:52] <Hexxeh> barrier, meh not so much
[22:54] <maxime> nah barrier was just an example
[22:54] <maxime> I was going with noatime,data=writeback,nobh
[22:55] <maxime> I'm questionning all the stuff I can read on the net about removing the journal of some root partition, I don't think that's very wise since sd card tends to have io error, easily
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[22:57] <marcusw> why would you want to get rid of the journal?
[22:57] <maxime> I don't want, it just a lot of stuff I keep on reading on the forum
[22:58] <maxime> but for the sake of keeping write activity on an sd card, I don't know if it's really wise (given the cheap price of sdcard)
[22:59] <trevorman> openelec has a big ramdisk image it loads for root and then anything you want to actually stay is kept in another partition on the card. probably a bit too much of a hassle for general purpose usage though.
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[23:23] * PiBot sets mode +v PigFlu
[23:24] <PigFlu> i cant find my usb stick on raspbian..? sorry for being a noob
[23:26] * markbook (~markllama@pool-74-104-180-140.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:26] * PiBot sets mode +v markbook
[23:27] <Essobi> PigFlu: df?
[23:27] <Essobi> dmesg?
[23:28] <Berry6510> ls /mnt/?
[23:28] * jprvita is now known as jprvita|afk
[23:30] <Gaddel> or /media/
[23:31] <PigFlu> nothing in media
[23:32] <chickey999> sudo fdisk -l
[23:33] * fabiobik (~fabio@bl23-30-162.dsl.telepac.pt) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:33] * PiBot sets mode +v fabiobik
[23:33] <fabiobik> hello
[23:33] <fabiobik> my OK led its blinking 6 times and then stops
[23:33] <fabiobik> how to solve this?
[23:34] * klm[_] (milkman@unaffiliated/klm-/x-7727058) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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[23:34] * PiBot sets mode +v kitobor
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[23:35] * PiBot sets mode +v klm[_]
[23:36] <dennistlg> ordered i2c rtc clock with temp sensor for pi and parts for the led cube controlled by pi
[23:36] <phire> fabiobik, something is wrong with your boot partition
[23:38] <phire> 6 flashes means something is wrong with start.elf
[23:38] <phire> replace it
[23:38] <fabiobik> phire, where is the start.elf?
[23:38] <fabiobik> where i can get a new one?
[23:39] <phire> copy arm192_start.elf to start.elf
[23:40] * Happy0 (Happy0@cpc2-broo8-2-0-cust282.14-2.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit ()
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[23:41] * PiBot sets mode +v midnightmagic
[23:41] <fabiobik> phire, were is that??
[23:42] * Xuu (~xuu@2001:470:bcb9:d42:840:d7ff:fefd:1ae7) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:42] * nils_2 (~nils_2@unaffiliated/nils-2/x-2480262) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9-dev)
[23:44] <fabiobik> i not get nothing on /boot/ foolder
[23:45] <phire> the fat32 partition on the sdcard
[23:45] <phire> it only shows up as /boot/ after its booted
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[23:46] * PiBot sets mode +v curahack
[23:47] * JMichael|work (~JamesWhit@jmcooper.goshen.edu) Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
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[23:49] * PiBot sets mode +v bertrik
[23:49] * bertrik_ (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) Quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)
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[23:50] * PiBot sets mode +v Shy
[23:51] * Kripton is now known as kripton
[23:52] <fabiobik> phire, wtf are you saying
[23:52] * datagutt (~datagutt@unaffiliated/datagutt) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
[23:53] <phire> fabiobik, you put the sd card into your computer
[23:53] <phire> what happens?
[23:54] * kitobor (~kitobor@host-89-243-15-77.as13285.net) Quit (Quit: Goodbye cruel interwebs...)
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[23:58] * RaycisCharles (RaycisChar@cpc20-lutn10-2-0-cust20.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit ()
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[23:58] * PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean
[23:59] <dennistlg> gordondrogon are you there?
[23:59] <fabiobik> phire, happens that i can read the card?

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