#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-08-14

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[0:02] <fabiobik> ive copy and stills blinking
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[0:03] <phire> ok, problem must be something else
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[0:15] <SSilver2k2> lo all
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[0:26] <dennistlg> nice litle thing :-D Hope it arrives fast :-) http://www.tamadevice.co.jp/pdf/mc/rtc/RV-3029-C2.pdf
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[0:26] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, hi...
[0:26] <Gaddel> does anyone have any recommendations fo ra good 5V battery pack?
[0:26] <Gaddel> for*
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[0:27] <clever> Gaddel: ive seen it mentioned on the wiki that you can just use 4 AA's, but havent tried it myself
[0:27] <Gaddel> clever: er, do they provide exactly 5V?
[0:27] <clever> and thats 1volt over the limit, not sure how the pi would handle it
[0:28] <clever> 4 AA's would be ~6v
[0:28] <Gaddel> in that case i'd probably rather not. don't want to have mess with them further.
[0:28] <Gaddel> i know there are lots of 5V packs available online. hundreds of different ones
[0:28] <clever> i suspect the 5v zener would dump the extra power as heat, but not sure how much extra it can handle
[0:28] <dennistlg> hi gordon have you seen the little i2c clock?
[0:28] <dennistlg> ;-)
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> seen several - which oneare you on about?
[0:29] <dennistlg> http://www.tamadevice.co.jp/pdf/mc/rtc/RV-3029-C2.pdf
[0:29] <dennistlg> ordered like to play with :-D
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> You need to add a battery to it.
[0:30] <dennistlg> yes as backup^^
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> I'm currently powering a Pi with 6 AA's ... via a 5V regulator though.
[0:30] <dennistlg> crc2032
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[0:31] <dennistlg> or a little other 3v type
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[0:34] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, this might be easier to use? https://www.adafruit.com/products/264
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[0:37] <mrdragons> Found this on hackaday a while back, I'm not too sure I want to try it though, heh: http://hackaday.com/category/cellphones-hacks/page/4/
[0:37] <reider59> coupla sticks of dynamite and you're away ;-)
[0:39] <dennistlg> Gordon its a lot bigger have no temp sensor and coast more ;-)
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[0:39] <clever> would it be safe to power the pi via the 5v rail on the GPIO header?
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[0:41] <clever> that 5v rail is after the polyfuse, so its not protected
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[0:42] <mrdragons> Hmm, might be good if I posted the right link: http://hackaday.com/2011/10/29/cellphone-battery-booster-built-at-the-checkout-counter/
[0:42] <trevorman> clever: if you're careful it'll be fine
[0:43] <clever> hmm, i also wonder how long it could run from a couple super-caps
[0:43] <clever> though probly not long enough for a clean shutdown
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[0:45] <nx5> hi
[0:45] <nx5> what speeds do you guys get with class 10 sdhc cards on the raspberry pi?
[0:45] <dennistlg> gordon the clock ic coast 3,6? in germany
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[0:45] <clever> and just charging those caps would probly overload the psu
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[0:45] <trevorman> clever: doubt it'd be long. voltage drops sharply when you discharge one
[0:46] <clever> trevorman: ive managed to run an avr project with xbee for ~5-10mins before
[0:46] <clever> longer if i used sleep modes properly
[0:46] <trevorman> yeah but you're not sucking several hundred mA out of it
[0:46] <clever> but the pi does take a lot more current
[0:46] <trevorman> the RPi will
[0:46] <trevorman> the acceptable voltage range for an AVR is bigger as well
[0:46] <chithead> nx5: see http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance near the bottom what kind of performance to expect
[0:47] <clever> yeah
[0:47] <clever> it started around 5 and the xbee didnt cut out till below 3.3
[0:47] <nx5> thx
[0:47] <trevorman> the bcm2835 was designed to be used in portable video players
[0:47] <trevorman> there are actually connections for a battery on there
[0:48] <clever> internal boost converter?
[0:49] <trevorman> not sure. you can see it on the schematic
[0:49] <chithead> it appears to me that the bcm2835 was designed for set-top-boxes and video conferencing
[0:49] <trevorman> chithead: they say mobile as well
[0:49] <trevorman> "The BCM2835 is a cost-optimized, full HD, multimedia applications processor for advanced mobile and embedded applications that require the highest levels of multimedia performance."
[0:49] <chithead> mobile as in portable maybe ;)
[0:50] <trevorman> look at page 1 of the schematic. the SMPS block. it has 5V connected to VDD_BATx
[0:50] <clever> trevorman: yep, first page, SMPS section
[0:50] <clever> and also look at VDD_OUT and VDD_CORE
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[0:51] <clever> the core isnt powered by anything
[0:51] <clever> its got an internal regulator for the core voltages
[0:51] <clever> with an external inductor and filter cap
[0:52] <mongrelion> anybody else using xbian?
[0:52] <mongrelion> booyaa: booh!
[0:52] <clever> trevorman: VDD_FB is probly the sense pin, for self regulation
[0:53] <clever> this is probly related to over-volting too, the exact voltage is set by software
[0:53] <trevorman> yeah
[0:53] <clever> and the 3.3v rail is just used by some external facing buffers, on every pin
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[0:54] <Tenchworks> Although this might be offtopic, I figured the crowd in here might find this interesting: http://bentilly.blogspot.sg/2010/08/analysis-vs-algebra-predicts-eating.html?m=1
[0:54] <clever> 90% of the internals probly runs on that core voltage, set by config.txt
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[0:55] <clever> trevorman: SDRAM_VDD is the same
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[0:56] <plugwash> the trouble with the Pi is that while the switcher providing the core voltage supply has a pretty wide input range the regulators for the ancilaries don't
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[0:57] <plugwash> in particular the reg for the 3.3V rail has a pretty high dropout voltage, so the input voltage doesn't need to drop much before it starts impacting the 3.3V rail and that makes the ethernet flaky
[0:57] <clever> plugwash: from what i can see, other then the 5v rail (and VDD_BAT on the cpu), everything is powered thru that first 3.3v regulator
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[0:58] <plugwash> pretty much and if that first 3.3V reg was an ultra low dropout device you could probablly go down to 4V or so with no problems
[0:58] <clever> except for the usb specs
[0:58] <clever> the usb ports are connected directly to the 5v rail and usb spec says +/-10% i think
[0:58] <clever> so 4.5v min, 5.5v max
[0:59] <plugwash> but at least the part number given on the schematic is NOT an ultra low dropout device, it has a specified dropout voltage of over a volt
[0:59] <clever> so at 4.3v the 3.3v rail will suffer
[0:59] <clever> at which point, your already out of spec for the usb slaves
[1:00] <plugwash> true, I was just considering the stuff on the Pi itself, the external USB connections are in an even worse position due to the stupid low value polyswitches
[1:00] <clever> id think it would also be safer to power it thru a usb output
[1:01] <clever> since they have their own dedicated polyfuse's
[1:01] <plugwash> which could easilly push the voltage to the USB ports out of spec even if the main 5V rail is at 5.0V
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[1:10] <reider59> Makes you laugh! I paid my bid in full to Ebay on Thursday and the guy only posted it today, Monday. Hope he isn't waiting too long for glowing comments.
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[1:11] <plugwash> hmm you bought a Pi on ebay?
[1:11] <reider59> and a T shirt yes
[1:11] <plugwash> ahh you wanted the farnell T-shirt....
[1:11] <reider59> Both allegedly sealed
[1:13] * plugwash would like a Pi T shirt but i'd rather wait for the foundation to release their own one
[1:13] <plugwash> rather than walking arround with "element14" on my T shirt
[1:13] * Crenn-NAS is still wondering how the firetruck you get one of those shirts
[1:14] <trevorman> it was a special offer from farnell for one of the early batches. put some code into the comments and they'd send you one.
[1:15] <reider59> yes I only wanted the XL t shirt, failed on a first bid cos it asked for the password and then it was gone. The other T shirts were medium and one came up XL and a Pi so I thought I'd get the second one I turned down. If the bid failed I'd go for a T shirt that came up after it. As it was the T shirt on its own only went for ?2 and postage
[1:15] <Crenn-NAS> AH
[1:15] <dennistlg> wow my sd performs good better than i think before bench
[1:16] <dennistlg> write 6,8MB/s read 20,8MB/s
[1:16] <mranostay> what is this about shirts?
[1:16] <dennistlg> 4gb microSDHC vendor i dont know
[1:17] <reider59> Theres one on sale now, 5 days and 14 hours to go, large size and up to ?3 so far.
[1:17] <reider59> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Raspberry-Pi-official-T-shirt-/251128535892?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item3a786d5b54
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[1:44] <fabiobik> im trying to get my omnikey 5321 working on raspberry
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[1:45] <Gabtendo> can a raspberry pi handle 1080i mpeg2 video?
[1:45] <Gabtendo> raw
[1:46] <Gabtendo> I ask because if it can I can hook up my usb tv tuner to my raspberry pi and hopefully end up with live TV running through my pi
[1:46] <phire> I don't think so
[1:46] <Gabtendo> HD
[1:46] <chithead> mpeg2 is not hardware accelerated
[1:46] <Gabtendo> hmph
[1:46] <Gabtendo> yeah, I was worried
[1:47] <phire> it didn't ship with the mpeg 2 codec, because licensing it would almost double the cost.
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[1:53] <phire> and even if it did, the videocore has dedicated hardware for mpeg4, but mpeg2 is done on the scalar core
[1:54] <phire> and limited to standard def
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[1:55] <chithead> videocore has mpeg2 decoder, but the firmware does not allow to use it
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[2:06] <Gorroth> guys, i want my raspberry pi :(
[2:06] <Gorroth> mine is still on backorder through Allied Electronics
[2:06] <chithead> yeah, rs/allied takes long
[2:07] <npm> i ordered an extra as i might run out :-)
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[2:08] <chithead> some people ordered one at rs/allied and one at farnell/element14, that was smart
[2:11] <mrdragons> element14 was nice, arrived about a week from when I ordered it
[2:12] <chithead> I ordered mine on the first day through rs, and it was delivered at the end of may
[2:13] * npm happy to remember that 'arecord -vv /dev/null' works
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[2:13] <SSIlver2k2> lo all
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[2:18] <npm> even though it said units available (was planning when count was 23, ordered when it was 1) "Expected Ship Date 05 Sep 2012"
[2:18] <npm> i guess i shouldn't be torturing it with a big compile
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[2:21] <npm> heh, compiled all of voicetogoog for the first time and it only borked at link time "HttpHandler.cpp:(.text+0x2898): undefined reference to `Pillow::the_viewer'" #qt-everywhere
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[2:23] <Gorroth> yeah, i'm thinking about doing an order from element14
[2:23] <Gorroth> not sure though
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[2:24] <Gorroth> maybe if i can cancel my allied order
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[2:25] <Gorroth> btw, what are you guys using as a C/C++ IDE in linux? i use emacs but raelly want something a lot more powerful for those languages
[2:25] <Gorroth> (and please don't tell me emacs can do it... i'd rather not use that)
[2:25] <chithead> kdevelop
[2:25] <mranostay> Gorroth: vim
[2:26] <mrdragons> ^ That man right thar
[2:27] <Gorroth> no
[2:27] <Gorroth> emacs > vim in my book
[2:27] <Gorroth> and i don't want to use emacs
[2:27] <npm> im using emacs
[2:27] <npm> its awesome
[2:28] <Gorroth> chithead: yeah, i know about kdevelop; i'll try it out again. hoping someone else might have a suggestion too :)
[2:28] <Gorroth> nah, i use emacs on huge projects... sucks for that
[2:28] <npm> it's an editor, not an ide
[2:28] <mrdragons> You asked what we used, not what you should use. :P
[2:28] <Gorroth> i asked for something other than emacs / vim
[2:28] <npm> check out qt-creator
[2:29] <Gorroth> okay
[2:29] <npm> that has very nice C/C++ editing
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[2:29] <Gorroth> will do; thanks :)
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[2:30] <npm> speaking of qt-creator, anybody setup linux desktop x-compilation environment to compile and remotely run/debug apps on the 'pi ?
[2:31] <kn1000> So I'm assuming when a gpio pin is toggled it outputs a high? is that 3.3v?
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[2:32] <Gorroth> npm: that would be a nie feature to have running
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[2:32] <Gorroth> npm: would you do that over usb?
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[2:35] <ReggieUK> anyone know anything about the usb and endpoints on the pi?
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[2:42] <npm> Gorroth: which feature over usb?
[2:42] <Gorroth> npm: remote debugging
[2:43] <npm> it can be done over ssh connection
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[2:43] <clever> Gorroth: i would just do the debuging over tcp, gdb has ways of doing that
[2:44] <npm> that's what it uses under the hood. the usual gnu tools
[2:45] <npm> normally used for remote dev of qt-based symbian, meego apps
[2:45] <npm> w/ special toolchain setup/installed for each new remote platform
[2:45] <npm> so was wondering whether that packaging has been done for qt-creator
[2:45] <Gorroth> clever: ah, okay. didn't know it could go over tcp, but that is sweet. i should start using that
[2:46] <clever> Gorroth: i'm not sure how the server end works, but i know the regular gdb program can act as client
[2:46] <Gorroth> actually, i think i'm going to look into the netbeans ide for c/c++
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[2:46] <clever> Gorroth: and ive seen some things (actual running kernel,wine) emulate a gdb server before
[2:46] <Gorroth> clever: yeah, and now that you said it, i think i've seen the gdbserver command
[2:46] <npm> yeah if you're not doing qt-based dev like i am...
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[2:47] <clever> Gorroth: if you find it let me know, i cant seem to find it now
[2:47] <Gorroth> clever: if i find what? gdbserver?
[2:47] <Gorroth> on my system it's at /usr/bin/gdbserver
[2:48] <clever> the gdbserver arguments
[2:48] <Gorroth> should be on your path somewhere
[2:48] <Gorroth> ah, ok
[2:48] <clever> hmmm, *checks man page*
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[2:48] <clever> ah, just gdbserver host:2345 emacs foo.txt for example
[2:48] <clever> seems simple :)
[2:49] <trevorman> gdbserver is for back when you didn't have a network interface or you were cross compiling something
[2:49] <trevorman> its easier to just run gdb on the device if you can
[2:49] <clever> trevorman: ive also seen mention of a gdb server built into the kernel somewhere, so you can debug the kernel directly
[2:49] <trevorman> kgdb
[2:50] <clever> thats one exception where a local userspace debuger wont work right
[2:50] <Gorroth> clever: yeah, looks like that's what you do. and i guess for going over usb you'd do something like gdbserver /dev/ttyUSB0 emacs foo.txt
[2:50] <clever> just not sure how to access kgdb on the pi
[2:50] <trevorman> it doesn't give you a gdb interface though
[2:50] <trevorman> you get dropped into a debugger on the serial port
[2:50] <Gorroth> and then connect your gdb client to that USB port
[2:50] <clever> ah right
[2:50] <clever> i'll have to swap the voltage setting on my ftdi
[2:50] <trevorman> if its compiled in then it'll be something like kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200
[2:50] <clever> its still set for 5v
[2:51] <trevorman> you don't have a network connection?
[2:51] <clever> everything works fine, i'm just curious how it all works
[2:51] <clever> and my CEC is still behaving weirdly
[2:52] <trevorman> ah
[2:52] <clever> for example, i just plugged in power, it switched to the right input no fuss
[2:52] <clever> finished booting
[2:52] <clever> then switched to the dvd/sound system and turned that on!
[2:52] * clever goes to kick it in the off button
[2:52] <trevorman> didn't think CEC worked properly on the RPi yet?
[2:53] <trevorman> could be wrong
[2:53] <clever> the gpu does cec automaticaly, even if linux lacks the drivers
[2:53] <trevorman> ah
[2:53] <clever> theres a config.txt to turn that off so the pi stops stealing input on bootup
[2:53] <clever> but ive also updated /opt and /boot and compiled libCEC, that mostly works
[2:53] <clever> i can turn everything on/off from the pi
[2:54] <clever> but libCEC locks up often, needing a full reboot
[2:54] <trevorman> hrm
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[2:54] <clever> and ive yet to get it to switch to the right input on demand
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[2:54] <trevorman> libcec shouldn't be able to wedge the system that badly but the GPU might
[2:54] <clever> i suspect that my hdmi switch box may not even be obeying the specs
[2:54] <clever> the system hasnt crashed yet
[2:55] <trevorman> ah
[2:55] <clever> just the libCEC app hangs, and cec refuses to work afterwords
[2:55] <clever> the cec interface/driver locks up and stops responding properly
[2:56] <clever> whats more weird, is that ctrl+c doesnt work (kinda normal)
[2:56] <clever> but when i kill -9 the app, it just goes into zombie mode
[2:56] <clever> bash doesnt notice and clean up
[2:57] <clever> bash is supposed to clean up after its kids (waitpid)
[2:57] <trevorman> its definitely zombie? not stuck waiting on some IO or anything like that?
[2:58] <clever> clearly says defunc in ps aux
[2:58] <trevorman> ah
[2:58] <trevorman> that is strange then
[2:58] <clever> which means the process has done exit() and the parent needs to waitpid() it
[2:58] <clever> the only solution has been to kill the bad parents and let init adopt and reap
[3:00] <clever> trevorman: the main issue with cec seems to stem from the psysical addresses
[3:00] <clever> the pi thinks its at address
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[3:01] <clever> but if i understand the protocol, its at
[3:01] <clever> 3rd port on a switch, connected to 2nd port
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[3:02] <Essobi> So... if I got a powered USB hub.. can I plug my Pi into that for power, and the PI into the hub for the host? :D
[3:02] <habstinat> Trying to set up Logmein Hamachi to connect to my Raspberry Pi remotely via ssh but it doesn't seem to be working. Here is my setup on logmein.com: <https://i.minus.com/iQxcrBBOHJWit.png>. "habs" is the PC I want to use to connect to the Pi with, "raspberry" is my Raspberry Pi. With this, I should be able to just ssh to my Pi's 5.x.x.x IP address from the "habs" computer, correct? However, when I try to do that I get, "ssh:
[3:02] <clever> Essobi: the data pins of the input dont go anywhere, so you can probly plug the pi back into the hub for power
[3:03] <Essobi> clever: :D Nice.
[3:03] <clever> Essobi: i'm not sure, but it may also leak power in thru the other cable also
[3:03] <Essobi> Awww.
[3:03] <Essobi> that doesn't sound like it'd be good.
[3:03] <clever> Essobi: it should be fine
[3:03] <Essobi> Hmm.. we'll seed.
[3:04] <clever> habstinat: the message cut off right at the most important part :P
[3:04] <habstinat> clever: Crap, what part? I'll paste the rest
[3:04] <clever> habstinat: 'i get, "ssh:'
[3:04] <clever> i see no error, it must be working!!
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[3:05] <habstinat> clever: "ssh: connect to host 5.[address censored] port 22: Connection timed out". Any ideas?
[3:05] <clever> habstinat: when you run 'hamachi status' does it show the other pc as online?
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[3:06] <clever> habstinat: or hamachi list
[3:07] <habstinat> clever: This is from "habs": http://sprunge.us/VALV
[3:07] <clever> habstinat: should be working then, looks to be online
[3:08] <clever> looks like hamachi has been upgraded to handle ipv6 since i last messed with it
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[3:09] <habstinat> clever: Really odd that I still get that error message when doing "ssh [ip address in sprunge starting with 5]"...
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[3:10] <clever> habstinat: id try ping next, and tcpdump at both ends
[3:10] <clever> to see where the packets get lost
[3:10] <habstinat> clever: Well, when pinging I get 100% packet loss
[3:11] <clever> connection timed out just means the other end didnt answer
[3:11] <clever> so both are probly due to packet loss
[3:11] <clever> fire up tcpdump on the ham0 interface to see if the packets are even leaving the right interface
[3:12] <habstinat> clever: I'm unfamiliar with tcpdump (just installed it); "tcpdump -i ham0" is what you mean?
[3:12] <clever> 'tcpdump -i ham0 -n icmp 'i think would work best for this case
[3:13] <clever> then ping it again
[3:15] <habstinat> clever: http://sprunge.us/PhCK
[3:15] <clever> yep, its going out
[3:15] <clever> now run the same command on the pi to see if its coming in
[3:15] <clever> should look the same, but with the 2 IP's swapped
[3:17] <clever> trevorman: looks like my kernel already has kgdb enabled on the serial port
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[3:18] <clever> trevorman: and google is useless kgdb is in EVERY dmesg dump for EVERY problem :P
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[3:19] <habstinat> clever: On the Pi I get "tcpdump: ham0: No such device exists" "(SIOCGIFHWADDR: No such device)" when I try to issue the tcpdump command.
[3:19] <clever> habstinat: are you sure you even have hamachi running on the pi?
[3:19] <clever> habstinat: what computer is at
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[3:20] <Essobi> I rather dislike hamachi
[3:20] <habstinat> clever: That is the Pi. Currently I'm using that address to SSH to it locally.
[3:20] <clever> Essobi: ive since switched to openvpn, but it is more work to setup and lacks the p2p nature
[3:20] <clever> habstinat: hmmm, do you see the hamachi interface if you run 'ifconfig' ?
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[3:21] <habstinat> clever: I do not. I only see ham0 on "habs". Hamachi is definitely installed on the Pi, as I can list clients and whatnot.
[3:22] <clever> so the problem is in the pi, hamachi is unable to create the virtual network card
[3:22] <clever> most likely because the tun driver wasnt compiled into the kernel
[3:23] <clever> i'm surprised hamachi didnt complain loudly with tun missing
[3:23] <habstinat> clever: I'm using Arch Linux ARM on it and the package was designed for Debian so perhaps that had something to do with it.
[3:23] <clever> habstinat: ls /dev/tun* does this find anything?
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[3:24] <habstinat> clever: Not on the Pi nor my real computer.
[3:24] <clever> *looks*
[3:25] <clever> habstinat: ah, its /dev/net/tun on mine
[3:25] <clever> check the pi for that
[3:25] <habstinat> clever: Yup, it's on the Pi.
[3:25] <clever> my pi too, so it does actualy have the driver!
[3:26] <clever> id restart hamachi in debug mode then
[3:26] <clever> hamachi stop;hamachi start debug
[3:26] <Essobi> clever: you can make endpoints p2pish.
[3:26] <clever> Essobi: currently, all i use it for is to bypass some brain-dead router firewalls
[3:27] <Essobi> Ah.
[3:27] <clever> one router has a built in dsl modem
[3:27] <clever> the other router has built in wifi access point
[3:27] <clever> so he is forced to double nat
[3:27] <Essobi> Eww.
[3:27] <clever> 192.168.1.x and 192.168.2.x
[3:27] <clever> i havent convinced him to redo it yet
[3:27] <clever> my isp tried to pull the same stunt :P
[3:28] <Essobi> double nat == baaad, mkay?
[3:28] <clever> they butchered the router firmware, it completely lacks port forwarding
[3:28] <clever> all it has is the name/pw input, the isp logo, and a french version of the same
[3:28] <clever> luckily, it still acts as a pppoe endpoint if you refuse to give it your pw
[3:29] <Essobi> eesh, yea.. hacked up firmware
[3:29] <clever> Essobi: but things have gotten worse
[3:29] <clever> my wifi access point (with N band) claims to be an ipv6 gateway
[3:29] <clever> but its wan port goes nowhere
[3:29] <clever> and its hijacking the ipv6 routing tables everywhere
[3:29] <clever> the config wont let you disable ipv6
[3:30] <clever> just to avoud double-nating, ive disabled dhcp and connected the lan ports to the lan
[3:30] <Essobi> ..... haha.
[3:31] <habstinat> clever: clever Well, it's in debug mode now, but I'm not quite sure where the information is being logged to. Still no success with ssh.
[3:31] <clever> habstinat: it should spew everything to the terminal you started it in
[3:31] <clever> (enless they changed something)
[3:31] <kn1000> Anyone know much about the GPIO pins on the Raspberry Pi - What is the max current that the GPIO pins can put out?
[3:31] <clever> Essobi: i'm now getting 2 default routes (cli tools dont even allow you to do that)
[3:31] <clever> Essobi: and its always using the wrong one
[3:32] <npm> Just compiled and built http://www.nielsmayer.com/bin/view/MeeGo/QmlTube on raspberry pi w/ no changes
[3:32] <clever> hmmm, now that i think about that, that might be why dads facebook is always crap
[3:32] <npm> and it runs, sorta... wishes it had OpenGL display speedups
[3:32] <clever> his browser cant handle the broken v6 and just hangs
[3:33] <Essobi> clever: yup.. It is.
[3:33] <clever> Essobi: can you think of any way to make the dlink dir-601 just shut up on v6?
[3:33] <Essobi> ipv6 borken networks are f'ing annoying.
[3:33] <Essobi> clever: not off hand... disable it on the clients.
[3:33] <clever> but my ipv6 works fine if the dlink would just shut up
[3:34] <Essobi> Or slap a PFsense box up between it and the lan
[3:34] <plugwash> clever, does openwrt support it
[3:34] <habstinat> clever: I suppose they must have, because I ran "sudo /etc/rc.d/logmein-hamachi start debug" and I haven't got any extra output from pinging the Pi or setting my nick yet.
[3:34] <clever> my current fix is to crontab this, * * * * * ip route del via fe80::218:e7ff:fecd:cde0 >/dev/null 2>&1
[3:34] <clever> habstinat: thats just a script wrapping hamachi, it probly didnt pass the debug command over
[3:34] <clever> plugwash: good idea, *looks*
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[3:36] <clever> plugwash: looks like a yes
[3:36] <habstinat> clever: You're right, but when I run "sudo hamachi start debug" after turning it off using /etc/rc.d/ I get "Hamachi does not seem to be running" "Run '/etc/init.d/logmein-hamachi start' to start daemon.
[3:37] <clever> habstinat: 'hamachi' may also be another wrapper script
[3:37] <clever> you need to read the script and see how it actualy starts it
[3:37] <clever> and it may not even run as root
[3:37] <clever> hamachi needs to be run under the same username you set it up as
[3:37] <clever> and the script is probly setup to manage that and hide that
[3:39] <habstinat> clever: OK. So the real hamachi is at /opt/logmein-hamachi/bin/hamachid. I got it to run in debug mode successfully. What should I paste the output of?
[3:39] <clever> plugwash: the file it refers to is now missing from the downloads dir
[3:40] <clever> habstinat: is there any mention of creating the network interface?
[3:40] <habstinat> clever: There was so much output on startup I couldn't even fit it all in my scrollback. I'm not sure what to look for.
[3:41] <clever> habstinat: i havent looked at it much before either, so your kinda on your own now
[3:41] <clever> plugwash: looks like it has a bootloader, so i can atleast unbrick it later, though its over in 192.168.1 land
[3:43] <habstinat> clever: OK, well thank you so much for your help. I don't know if anyone here can decipher this but here is the full startup log: http://sprunge.us/igfR
[3:43] <clever> habstinat: 08.14 02:39:31.013 tap: open() err, 19 'No such device'
[3:44] <clever> habstinat: looks like it failed to setup the tun/tap interface
[3:44] <clever> which means no actual network
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[3:44] <clever> wtf, the dvd player just started on its own
[3:44] <clever> lol
[3:44] <clever> silly cec
[3:44] <clever> where does that bloody power cord go....
[3:46] <clever> habstinat: it also failed to open [/var/lib/logmein-hamachi/h2-engine-override.cfg so maybe you ran it as the wrong user?
[3:46] <clever> or the file simply never existed to begin with
[3:48] <habstinat> clever: The file doesn't exist. I have /var/lib/logmein-hamachi/h2-engine-notice though.
[3:48] <clever> probly doesnt need to exist then
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[3:49] <Gaddel> hey hexxeh
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[3:50] <habstinat> clever: I did install this using a modified Arch Build Script from a package initially intended for distributions with init.d (Arch Linux has rc.d instead), and although there were no errors or anything it's possible that some files got moved to the wrong place.
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[4:42] <linq> I have no keyboard. Is there any way to control my display (TV) remotely over ssh?
[4:42] <marcusw> yes
[4:43] <marcusw> but what do you want to do with it?
[4:44] <linq> marcusw, I suppose I wanted to fiddle around with xwindows for some web browsing. Is it possible to send my laptop's mouse and keyboard signals directly to the device?
[4:45] <marcusw> yeah
[4:45] <marcusw> use x11vnc
[4:45] <Gaddel> marcusw: hey, just wanted to say the SSH enabling hack did not work. i'm going to have to wait until i can get an affordable HDMI
[4:45] <marcusw> Gaddel: you did the symlink stuff?
[4:45] <Gaddel> marcusw: yep
[4:45] <marcusw> did it come up on the network at all?
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[4:46] <linq> thanks marcusw, I'll give that a shot.
[4:46] <Gaddel> marcusw: yep. responded to pings perfectly. ssh'ing to IP always gave Connection closed by
[4:46] <Gaddel> marcusw: so SSH service wasn't running
[4:47] <marcusw> no, connection closed means it's running
[4:47] <marcusw> but there's an error
[4:47] * marcusw bets no keys generatedd
[4:48] <Gaddel> marcusw: ah, interesting
[4:48] <marcusw> nmap it
[4:48] <marcusw> just for science
[4:48] <linq> you could also use ssh -v for more verbose output
[4:48] <Gaddel> marcusw: meh, just gave up and unplugged everything. not worth anymore hassle.
[4:48] <linq> Not sure how much more info you'd get, but worth a try
[4:49] <linq> Just got my pi set up with archlinux a few mins ago. I'm incredibly excited to get tinkering :D
[4:49] <linq> Luckily, it has ssh enabled by default
[4:49] <marcusw> if you rebooted it, it would probably work
[4:50] <marcusw> I mean, I'm not sure
[4:50] <marcusw> I don't know what triggers the key generation
[4:50] <Gaddel> i'm just going to try and pick up a cheap HDMI cable and hook it up to a TV or something
[4:51] <Gaddel> or my desktop monitor
[4:51] <linq> Another inquiry: does anyone know of a simple way to resize an ext3 partition? Gonna have to resize the stock archlinux image for raspberry pi to take full advantage of my sd card
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[4:52] <Gaddel> linq: i'd recommend gparted
[4:52] <dr_summer> linq: i did it like this: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=3119#p18160
[4:53] <linq> dr_summer, excellent, will give it a shot. Thanks
[4:53] <linq> Had no idea you could do it while running
[4:54] <linq> sd cards are getting cheaper. snatched a transcend 32gb class 10 sdhc card for $30 the other day
[4:54] <linq> Ironically, the highest capacity sd card I've ever owned while also being the cheapest I've ever bought
[4:57] <linq> Has anybody tried a UHS sd card on the raspberry pi yet? And if so, were there any speed benefits over a typical class 10 sd card?
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[5:05] <criten> Which device is the GPIO serial port
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[5:20] <Essobi> linq: I think I read it can't do over class 4.. or maybe I made that up.. I can't remember.
[5:20] <linq> Essobi, I'm running a class 10 sd card right now with no issues yet :)
[5:21] <linq> Although I must say, resizing the active partition from 2GB to 32GB seems to be taking a while. Not too surprising though
[5:21] <Essobi> speedwise
[5:21] <linq> Ah
[5:21] <linq> Yes
[5:21] <linq> That might explain why this is taking so long
[5:26] <marcusw> isn't class 10 faster?
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[5:27] <criten> I'm pretty sure 10 is the fastest
[5:27] <criten> ?
[5:27] <mongrelion> hey guys. I installed xbian and now would like to expand the SD, but there's no manual around the official page :/ any guides that I can follow from another distro or something?
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[5:28] <linq> marcusw, yes. I suppose what Essobi is suggesting is that raspberry PI can't take advantage of it. Which is a bit of a [citation needed] :)
[5:28] <hotwings> class rating cant be used to determine what the fastest sd is
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[5:28] <hotwings> its very misleading
[5:29] <linq> criten, see UHS-1
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[5:32] <marcusw> linq: ah, I see
[5:32] <linq> mongrelion, I'm currently using http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=3119#p18160
[5:32] <marcusw> mongrelion: pop it in your computer and use gparted
[5:32] <linq> mongrelion, however marcusw's suggestion is more user friendly and probably faster
[5:33] <criten> linq: ?
[5:33] * marcusw nods
[5:34] <linq> criten, http://www.integralmemory.com/faq/what-uhs-1
[5:34] <linq> criten, it's theoretically faster than class 10
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[5:38] <mongrelion> linq: marcusw ok, thanks.
[5:44] <criten> Ah.
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[6:03] <AC`97> anyone has RPi heat issues?
[6:03] <Essobi> just the clockers, I think
[6:03] <Essobi> AC`97: Are you?
[6:03] <AC`97> i think so
[6:04] <AC`97> even with my gorilla-glued lump of brass on the ethernet/usb controller, it's still getting quite hot
[6:04] <Essobi> .....
[6:04] <Essobi> You gorilla-glued it?
[6:04] <AC`97> yes. smart, eh?
[6:05] <Essobi> And why in gods name did you use brass?
[6:05] <AC`97> it was the only thing i had
[6:05] <AC`97> it's nickel plated too, i think
[6:05] <AC`97> i didn't want it to fall off and short something
[6:05] * Essobi face palms so hard he commits suicide.
[6:05] <heathkid> omg
[6:05] <AC`97> i feel sorry for your face.
[6:06] <AC`97> i think the error "eth0: Failed to read register index 0x00000114" might be caused by heat. either that or bad power
[6:06] <Essobi> I feel sorry for your poor little pi.
[6:06] <Essobi> Have you tested the power?
[6:06] <AC`97> tomorrow i'm going to cut a custom heatsink that covers around half the board
[6:06] <AC`97> er, testing now
[6:06] <Essobi> TP1/2.. do it when you're getting the error..
[6:07] <AC`97> 4.82v
[6:07] <AC`97> i think sometimes it drops to 4.7x
[6:07] <AC`97> but that shouldn't cause problems, i think
[6:07] <heathkid> there is a bit of difference between copper and gorilla clued brass used as a heatsink...
[6:07] <AC`97> :P
[6:08] <AC`97> but it does seem to transfer heat
[6:08] <heathkid> I don't doubt that
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[6:08] <AC`97> and it's probably better than nothing
[6:08] <heathkid> maybe
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[6:11] <AC`97> so uh.. i think the gorilla glue worked a bit too well
[6:11] <AC`97> i can't rip off the chunk of brass
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[6:11] <AC`97> oh there it goes
[6:11] <AC`97> for a moment there i thought i'd take off a chunk of the chip
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[6:12] <clever> got my FTDI working, it shows the same issues as ive seen in other hardware
[6:12] <clever> the TX pin on the pi powered the ftdi partialy (thru its rx pin)
[6:15] <Essobi> Really? O_o
[6:15] <Essobi> wtf?
[6:16] <Essobi> AC`97: Did you wet the surfaces before you gorilla glued them?
[6:16] <AC`97> nope. bone dry
[6:16] <Essobi> Thank god.
[6:16] <AC`97> indeed
[6:16] <Essobi> Otherwise you'd never gotten that off.
[6:17] <Helldesk> clever: use a decoupling cap maybe?
[6:17] <AC`97> now i gotta find a way to scrape off the rest
[6:17] <criten> Hey guys, what's everyone up to? anything cool?
[6:17] <Essobi> AC`97: We used 600 grit wet/dry sandpaper back in the day when we lapped chips to OC them better.
[6:17] <Essobi> 1200-600
[6:17] <AC`97> can't really fit sandpaper in that small spot :P
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[6:18] <Essobi> AC`97: get creative
[6:18] <clever> Helldesk: serial is supposed to idle high, a decoupling cap would ruin that
[6:18] <AC`97> unsolder chip with a torch, then sandpaper? O.o
[6:19] <Essobi> AC`97: anyways... you can take some of the 2part epoxy.. get the crappy kind with the lowest tension you can, and mix thermal grease with it.
[6:19] <Essobi> AC`97: HELL NO
[6:19] <AC`97> ...
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[6:19] <AC`97> i did a PS3 fix with a torch before
[6:19] <Essobi> You reflowed a board with a torch?
[6:19] <AC`97> yes.
[6:19] <AC`97> i put a fat heatsink on top
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[6:19] <Essobi> I've heard of stupider things..
[6:19] <AC`97> and a bit of solder on the heatsink for temperature monitoring
[6:20] <Essobi> reflowing with a blanket has to take the cake..
[6:20] <AC`97> the torch i used actually has enough power to cut through the heatsink ^_^
[6:20] <Helldesk> clever: huh, I guess you can't pull the lines high either
[6:21] <clever> Helldesk: i just need to power the ftdi fully over usb first
[6:21] <Essobi> clever: Yea.. that's just weird thou.
[6:21] <clever> Helldesk: ive had similar issues before in the other direction, the ftdi was powering another device just enough for it to half start and malfunction
[6:21] <clever> and only cutting power would reboot it
[6:21] <clever> which i cant do if the ftdi is powering it
[6:23] <Essobi> Couldn't you use a transistor or something to mitigate that?
[6:23] <clever> posibly, using the 3.3v rail from the other system, both rails
[6:23] <Xark> Helldesk: Sorry, I missed your exact problem, but I haven't had any trouble with my FTDI and the RPi. What trouble are you having?
[6:24] <clever> so the pi would power the transistor, and enable the ftdi to recieve its own 3v3 rail
[6:24] <clever> if the ftdi is off, it recieves nothing
[6:24] <clever> same in the other dir, with the pi's 3v3 rail
[6:24] <Essobi> :D
[6:24] <clever> it would also act as a voltage translator
[6:24] <Essobi> right?
[6:24] <clever> both ends recieve power from their own rail, so they wont get more then they can handle
[6:25] <Essobi> You could add opto isolation for giggle too if you wanted..
[6:25] <linq> Which VNC client do folks around here prefer?
[6:25] <AC`97> tightvnc
[6:25] <AC`97> it's tight, yo.
[6:26] <clever> hmmm, now the remote has gone missing again
[6:26] <marcusw> linq: tightvnc is good
[6:26] <clever> found it on the stove
[6:27] <clever> oops, left the iron on
[6:27] <AC`97> ...
[6:28] <clever> AC`97: the ftdi was still set to 5v
[6:28] <clever> would have damaged the pi if i didnt fix that
[6:28] <clever> cooked pi!
[6:28] <AC`97> indeed
[6:28] <clever> hmmm, now to see if i have a vmlinuz image
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[6:29] <AC`97> so, i believe i found out why my ethernet/usb controller gets hot
[6:29] <clever> nope, just a bzImage
[6:29] <Xark> clever: FTDI rarely needs 5v, since it is 5v tolerant and its 3.3v high is enough to be read as high by 5v devices.
[6:29] <AC`97> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=14489
[6:29] <clever> AC`97: ive heard in here that the ethernet is always hot
[6:29] <clever> Xark: but i'm often powering 5v devices from the ftdi
[6:29] <clever> no psu
[6:29] <AC`97> clever: hotter than the cpu?
[6:29] <clever> AC`97: it is on mine
[6:29] <AC`97> hmm
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[6:30] <clever> and you cant actualy feel the cpu temp
[6:30] <clever> the ram is on top
[6:30] <AC`97> yah
[6:30] <clever> and if you look closely, theres an air gap between cpu and ram
[6:30] <Xark> clever: OK, but I get 5V USB from my FTDI dongle too, but the FTDI chip runs 3.3v (on mine from Adafruit - same as FTDI cable).
[6:30] <AC`97> clever: well, it's not really an air gap
[6:30] <AC`97> they're connected with solder :P
[6:31] <clever> Xark: the ftdi has an internal 3.3v regulator, and a solder jumper to select what the internal output buffer (and output vcc pin) use as the reference
[6:31] <clever> AC`97: between each ball is air
[6:31] <AC`97> there are a lot of balls
[6:31] <AC`97> (om nom nom)
[6:31] <clever> and even more air
[6:31] <Xark> clever: Right. All I am saying is even for use with 5v devices usually FTDI is always at 3.3v (in my experience).
[6:32] <Xark> clever: I.e., you don't need 5v FTDI hardly ever.
[6:33] <AC`97> http://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-57060-89409/450-464/IMG_0976.JPG i want to try this mod
[6:33] <clever> Xark: yep, but if i need a 5v source to power the device from
[6:33] <AC`97> except my soldering iron tip is like 3/4th the width of the chip
[6:33] <Xark> clever: OK, but you get 5v from USB (regardless of FTDI voltage).
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[6:34] <clever> Xark: and that isnt broken out on its own pin, so id need to cut up a usb cable
[6:34] <Xark> clever: So, quoting from Adafruit website -> the power wire is +5V and the signal levels are 3.3V (they are 5V compliant, and should work in the vast majority of 3.3V and 5V signal systems).
[6:35] <clever> Xark: not using the adafruit one
[6:35] <Xark> clever: OK, but this is the same as FTDI standard cable.
[6:35] <clever> not using the cable
[6:35] <clever> Xark: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9716
[6:37] <Xark> clever: Ok, they have two models. You for sure don't want signal lines 5v and it looks like power supply and chip voltage are both settable (so 5v power and 3.3v I/O level is probably what you want - like Adafrut and standard FTDI setup).
[6:37] <clever> Xark: the solder jumper sets both the output power and io levels
[6:37] <Xark> clever: I see. Well Sparkfun FTDI breakout is lame then. :)
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[6:38] <Xark> clever: Probably why they have two models (for no good reason). :)
[6:38] <clever> the problem was nothing to do with voltage, but leakage on the data lines
[6:38] <clever> when the ftdi usb isnt connected, both led's where on, just by rx and gnd
[6:38] <clever> (the pi's tx powered the board)
[6:38] <Xark> clever: I am familiar with that problem too (but not with my FTDI, with other serial adapters I have).
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[6:40] <Xark> clever: Caused me some issues when device didn't completely power down (but was running barely and had trouble starting upload).
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[6:45] <criten> If anyone needs a pretty cheap servo controler that can be driven directly off the GPIO I got this one working http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/207
[6:46] <clever> criten: about the only issue i can think of with that, make sure to turn serial console off in the pi
[6:46] <clever> ive had 'fun' in the past with dueling getty's
[6:46] <clever> both systems had getty running on the serial ports. connected to eachother :P
[6:46] <criten> clever: you mean the input?
[6:46] <criten> rx
[6:47] <criten> displaying in console?
[6:47] <clever> turn the dmesg on serial off (config.txt i think), and maybe kgdb (config.txt again)
[6:47] <clever> and the getty on serial
[6:47] <criten> what's it do?
[6:47] <clever> then you can get dedicated control of the rx/tx pins
[6:47] <criten> Oh gotcha.
[6:47] <criten> what else uses them?
[6:47] <clever> root@raspberrypi:~# cat /proc/cmdline
[6:47] <clever> dma.dmachans=0x3c bcm2708_fb.fbwidth=1280 bcm2708_fb.fbheight=768 bcm2708.boardrev=0x2 bcm2708.serial=0x55a4377c smsc95xx.macaddr=B8:27:EB:A4:37:7C dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[6:48] <clever> console=ttyAMA0,115200 this part means all dmesg output goes to the serial port at 115200 (way too fast for your servos)
[6:48] <criten> clever, you should use pastebin for stuff like that : ]
[6:48] <clever> kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 this one is for kernel debug, no idea how that will interact with your servo controller
[6:48] <criten> Ah gotcha.
[6:48] <criten> probably not well
[6:49] <clever> '/sbin/getty -L ttyAMA0 115200 vt100' and this from ps aux (probly an rc script) provides a login prompt
[6:49] <clever> it will probly turn up invalid username errors every time the servo controler replies
[6:49] <criten> It can;t reply
[6:49] <criten> Only need to send data to it
[6:49] <clever> it will still output an initial prompt at bootup
[6:50] <criten> I can get some debug information back.... but it's a ttl device so the 5v wouldn't play well with the GPIO
[6:50] <clever> ah
[6:50] <criten> luckily enough the 3.3v from the GPIO triggers as a logic high on TTL
[6:50] <clever> so tx only would be within its high range
[6:50] <criten> Yup
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[6:50] <clever> only issue would be potential pullups on the rx input
[6:51] <criten> It's been working fine so i'm not worried about that
[6:51] <clever> and those are usualy limited in how much current they can give
[6:51] <criten> I'm not powering the servos off of it
[6:51] <criten> They have their own supply
[6:51] <clever> yeah, that could be done off the 5v rail if you had to
[6:52] <criten> I have a dedicated 3amp supply for the servos
[6:52] <clever> ah nice
[6:52] <criten> Did you see the pictures of my robot the other night?
[6:53] <criten> http://imgur.com/a/eXG9Z#0
[6:53] <clever> nice
[6:54] <criten> It's since had more wiring done...
[6:54] <criten> I used to drive it off of a mini-itx motherboard... but that drew allot of power
[6:54] <criten> and wasn't as reliable
[6:54] <criten> the Pi is perfect for it : ]
[6:55] <clever> :)
[6:57] <Helldesk> a lot
[6:57] <Helldesk> allotting is something completely different and is a verb
[6:58] <criten> Thanks buddy ;]
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[7:09] <criten> clever: Do i just delete the part of that file with the serial port?
[7:09] <clever> criten: yeah, just cut that portion out
[7:10] <clever> criten: hmmm, on my end its not in config.txt
[7:10] <clever> its in cmdline.txt
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[7:11] <clever> criten: /etc/inittab gets the getty, you can just comment that one out
[7:11] <criten> Okay thanks
[7:12] <clever> you can confirm it all by checking ps aux and cat /proc/cmdline to make sure its clean of ttyAMA0, then just use ttyAMA0 like any normal serial port
[7:13] <criten> clever: I cant write to cmdline
[7:13] <clever> yeah, its read-only
[7:13] <clever> its set by the bootloader, from /boot/cmdline.txt
[7:13] <criten> ohhh gotcha
[7:13] <clever> you need to change the bootloader config and reboot
[7:13] <criten> gotcha
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[7:16] <criten> clever: That would probably explain why i had to reset the servo controller after a boot
[7:16] <criten> clever: It sets it baud based on the speed of the first command
[7:16] <clever> the entire boot log is probly dumped to the serial port, at 115200 baud
[7:17] <clever> beyond the limits of it, so who knows what speed it gets set to
[7:17] <criten> ye
[7:17] <criten> yea*
[7:17] <criten> well
[7:17] <criten> actually it just errors
[7:17] <criten> If the red led stays lit and the green one flashes it means its to high
[7:17] <criten> which it did.
[7:18] <criten> It's a pretty neat little controller
[7:18] <clever> criten: do you have anything like an ftdi?
[7:18] <criten> clever: I have a usb ftdi adapter I used it to talk to my arduino
[7:19] <clever> you could connect the pi's TX to BOTH the servo controller and RX on the ftdi
[7:19] <clever> then you can confirm everything is being sent right, at the expected baud
[7:19] <clever> and that the boot log is gone
[7:20] <criten> good idea
[7:20] <criten> but i think its fine now
[7:20] <clever> hmmm, what does mine even send at bootup?
[7:20] * clever reopens minicom
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[7:20] <criten> I just restarted and the servo controller isnt in an error state so i think i'm good
[7:20] <clever> [16148.951866] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): re-mounted. Opts: (null)
[7:20] <clever> [16151.119858] Restarting system.
[7:20] <clever> normal stuff so far :)
[7:21] <clever> ~4 pages of logs at bootup
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[7:21] <criten> Nice
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[7:22] <clever> absolutely none (at 115200) is abnormal (not from linux)
[7:22] <clever> so the bootloader isnt doing anything funny at 115200
[7:22] <criten> I just reset the Pi and it sent absolutly nothing over the port so i think i'm good
[7:22] <clever> :D
[7:24] <criten> Thanks!
[7:24] <criten> You fixed a problem that i didn't even know i had yet : P
[7:24] <clever> i often use serial console to solve video driver/ethernet problems
[7:25] <clever> its hard to fix an unknown problem blind
[7:25] <criten> gotcha
[7:25] <AC`97> i once installed windows xp blind
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[7:25] <clever> serial is one of the most simple drivers (in the pi, it doesnt even use an external chip)
[7:25] <AC`97> and then switched monitor outputs blindly too
[7:25] <clever> AC`97: now that would be a challenge
[7:25] <AC`97> indeed. i don't think i could replicate that now
[7:25] <clever> AC`97: i generaly do that kind of stuff by using a second computer and doing the same steps there
[7:26] <AC`97> there was only one computer. i had no choice.
[7:26] <clever> both should react identicaly
[7:26] <criten> clever: yea.. i've done that before
[7:28] <criten> I'm so happy that the Qt works on the Pi haha
[7:28] <criten> the Qt framework*
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[7:32] <criten> Does anyone know of any more efficient streaming software than mjpg-stream?
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[7:38] <AC`97> criten: cat and nc?
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[7:49] <criten> AC`97: I get cat: /dev/video0: Invalid argument
[7:50] <criten> cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg
[7:51] <AC`97> O.o
[7:51] <criten> I didn't mean to put that command in here. haha
[7:54] <linq> When I run speaker-test on archlinux arm, I get a slew of errors (e.g. cannot find card '0')
[7:54] <AC`97> solution: don't run speaker-test
[7:55] <linq> Hmm.. what's another good way of testing sound
[7:55] <AC`97> did you load your sound driver/module??
[7:55] <linq> Not manually, no. What would that module be on raspberry pi?
[7:56] <AC`97> snd-bcm2835
[7:56] <AC`97> i'm not sure
[7:56] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[7:56] <clever> the pi should have auto-loaded the audio modules
[7:57] <linq> Yes, "snd_bcm2835" shows up in lsmod
[7:57] <clever> and you can see the card in alsamixer?
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[7:58] <AC`97> linq: does it work as root?
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[8:00] <linq> AC`97, yes! so it would seem
[8:00] <linq> Even though my user is in the audio group
[8:00] <linq> Perhaps I need to reboot?
[8:00] <AC`97> orly?
[8:00] <AC`97> or log out then back on
[8:01] <clever> linq: run 'id' under the problem shell
[8:01] <clever> linq: does it show you as being in the audio group?
[8:01] <linq> nope. I guess I just need to spawn a new tty
[8:01] <clever> exactly
[8:01] <clever> it only reads your group settings when you login
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[8:03] <linq> perfect
[8:03] <clever> once you know a few things like 'id' and 'stat', you can usualy solve all permision problems in just a few steps
[8:03] * linq goes on to test VLC
[8:04] <clever> i havent checked vlc yet, but mplayer cant seem to use the gpu decoding
[8:04] <clever> so it sucks for anything near hd
[8:04] <clever> omxplayer does work for gpu decoding, but ignores X completely
[8:04] <clever> so its always fullscreen
[8:04] <clever> and its questionable where your keyboard/mouse go if you try to run it in x
[8:04] <linq> that's not all bad, since I've got it hooked up to a TV anyway
[8:05] <clever> just run it from a text console and youll have zero issues
[8:05] <clever> but i dont like the ui, so ive been looking for a better arrangement
[8:08] <clever> CONFIG_CMDLINE_FROM_BOOTLOADER neat, you can configure the kernel to ignore the bootloader arguments
[8:08] <clever> could be usefull for extra security
[8:12] <clever> looking thru the config though, i'm having a hard time finding anything actualy missing from my kernel that id want
[8:12] <clever> hmmm, *tries 3g modem*
[8:12] <xiambax> How much did you guys pay for your raspberry pi?
[8:13] <Essobi> Hah... Shame I can't power my Pi from my iphone... Or can I? :D
[8:13] <xiambax> Anyone willing to trade 3 rpi for a 200 dollar Droid X on Verizon?
[8:13] <clever> *looks*
[8:13] <Essobi> ....
[8:14] <clever> xiambax: $48 for the pi, a 4gig sd card with the os pre-flashed, and shipping
[8:14] <xiambax> Where?
[8:14] <clever> xiambax: element14
[8:14] <xiambax> oh
[8:14] <Essobi> Think mine were $44 shipped a piece.. I ordered two.
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[8:14] <clever> i was low on sd cards and didnt want to bother backing one up
[8:15] <clever> so i just ordered a pre-flashed card aswell
[8:15] <clever> much faster to get it up and going aswell
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[8:15] <xiambax> i work at a store and can write some off
[8:15] <clever> hardest step was getting the microusb cable :P
[8:15] <xiambax> so thats not too bad
[8:16] <clever> hmm, still cant find the 3g stick
[8:16] <Essobi> I wonder if any of the ports on my MBP would deliver 800ma so I can plug a pi..
[8:16] <xiambax> E14 doesn't take paypal
[8:17] <AC`97> Essobi: won't hurt to try
[8:17] <xiambax> I have a locked Tmobile hotspot i want to sell
[8:17] <Xark> Essobi: Maybe both USB together (with Y cable).
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[8:17] <Essobi> Xark: I think one of'ems high powered
[8:17] <clever> it works fine on one of my usb chargers, its only rated for ~600mA
[8:18] <Xark> Essobi: Per the USB spec (which Apple may have ignored) they each should have at least 500ma, so two should be good for a RPi.
[8:18] <xiambax> how many watts does an rpi need to run?
[8:18] <criten> 5*.7
[8:18] <AC`97> <2 watts at idle
[8:18] <clever> xiambax: theres a wiki page, *looks*
[8:18] <xiambax> http://www.goalzero.com/shop/p/11//3:1/
[8:18] <AC`97> even with wifi adapter connected
[8:18] <xiambax> think one of those would run an rpi
[8:18] <xiambax> could i build my own for cheaper?
[8:18] <AC`97> xiambax: yes.
[8:19] <AC`97> MUCH cheaper
[8:19] <xiambax> apparently these things are indestructible though
[8:19] <Essobi> Mmm.. 12v to 5v regulator isn't too complicated..
[8:19] <criten> Essobi: you can do it with a single component haha
[8:19] <Essobi> I have a 1000Amp hour 12V in the garage. :D
[8:19] <xiambax> Are there any rpi solar panel tutorials?
[8:19] <AC`97> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LM2596-DC-DC-Step-Down-CC-CV-Adjustable-Power-Supply-Module-Output-DC-1-5V-35V-/250954117473?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6e07f161
[8:20] <AC`97> Essobi: i think that 1000Amp 12V might actually be 19V+ :P
[8:20] <clever> xiambax: http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#Power
[8:21] <Essobi> It's a SLA for a solar powergrid
[8:21] * Xark notes one of these will run RPi for ~5 hours (at high load) -> http://www.amazon.com/Sony-CP-A2LS-Portable-Charger-Battery/dp/B005XJWR5O
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[8:22] <xiambax> I want to use RPI for clandestine based Wikileaks projects
[8:22] <xiambax> Turn one into a hotspot with a webserver
[8:22] <xiambax> where people can upload files
[8:23] <Essobi> uh.. there's a name for that
[8:23] <Essobi> I can't remember what it is
[8:23] <AC`97> jailtime?
[8:23] <Essobi> started with USB plugs sticking out of cement walls in NYC..
[8:23] * AC`97 hides
[8:23] <xiambax> Oh yes. I have seen those.
[8:23] <xiambax> Drop points?
[8:23] <Xark> Dead drops
[8:23] <xiambax> yeah dead drops
[8:24] <Essobi> Pre-share that password
[8:24] <xiambax> Dead drops that once connected to redirect you to a website via HTTP
[8:24] <xiambax> with nothing but a upload forn
[8:24] <xiambax> form
[8:24] <xiambax> Then have it locked down so hard that only people can upload to it
[8:25] <xiambax> then have the file system encrypted so that one with physical access to it could only retrieve files with a key.
[8:29] <xiambax> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZBZ64Q/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d0_i4?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1C9XFRY40BJHRA1MSDCC&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846 wonder how long this would power an rpi lol
[8:29] <clever> xiambax: http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#Power
[8:29] <Essobi> jeez..
[8:30] <Essobi> 1000aH I can power a pi and a camera for days I bet..
[8:30] <clever> assuming you just leave it near idle, 12000/400 roughtly
[8:30] <clever> 30 hours
[8:30] <xiambax> Im thinking you could then use solar during the day to charge one of these too
[8:30] <clever> but the battery is likely not 5v constant, and the 12000mAh rating is for the battery itself
[8:31] <xiambax> So you could run it to be redundant
[8:31] <DarkTherapy> you could get a dd-wrt compatible router and run a web server from that
[8:31] <clever> so it will probly last longer if the batter is >5v
[8:31] <DarkTherapy> with an sd card
[8:31] <xiambax> Im running ddwrt on my router
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[8:31] <xiambax> I get it last night and someone disabled the gpio pin for resetting it
[8:31] <DarkTherapy> me too, as a repeater
[8:31] <xiambax> I had to short it out and tftp firmware over to it lastnight
[8:32] <clever> the image for my router is missing from the openwrt site
[8:32] <xiambax> I still want to buy an Amped Wireless router
[8:32] <clever> the wiki claims its supported, then says to download a file that doesnt exist
[8:32] <xiambax> Just so i can broadcast annoying SSID's across town lol
[8:32] <xiambax> ddwrt > openwrt no?
[8:33] <Essobi> I <3 tomato.
[8:33] <xiambax> isn't tomato pretty basic?
[8:33] <clever> xiambax: that reminds me, ive seen a few funny ssid's, like 'fbi surveilance van'
[8:33] <clever> ive also heard storyes about 'we can hear you at night'
[8:33] <Essobi> xiambax: How so? Does QOS...
[8:33] <xiambax> DDWRT does QOS too
[8:33] <Essobi> *shrug*
[8:33] <clever> i dont care about qos or anything like that, i just want the thing to stop advertising ipv6 support
[8:34] <linq> xiambax, you may want to check out mikrotik routerboards if you're interested in wireless aps. Very interesting platform (comes with its own special client and terminal)
[8:34] <Essobi> upnp works pretty well.
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[8:35] <xiambax> I dunno if i trust a company from Latvia
[8:35] <linq> xiambax, their support is actually quite good
[8:35] <linq> surprisingly
[8:35] <linq> I used to work for a wireless ISP. We used these guys as much as possible
[8:36] <xiambax> What indoor router by them would your recommend
[8:36] <linq> Depends entirely on your needs
[8:36] <xiambax> http://www.ampedwireless.com/products/r20000g.html this is what i was gonna by
[8:36] <xiambax> specs are pretty impressive
[8:37] <xiambax> dual radio, dual amp, dual band
[8:37] <xiambax> 600mW
[8:37] <linq> I've also had good experiences with ubiquiti networks
[8:37] <xiambax> 5dbi ant
[8:37] <clever> bbl
[8:37] <linq> Their indoor smb router is pretty good
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[8:39] <linq> http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/powerapn/PowerAP_N_Datasheet.pdf
[8:40] <linq> You can customize your own ubnt firmware. They provide a linux sdk
[8:40] <linq> Although their built-in web interface pretty much rocks
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[8:41] <linq> In fact I think its the best out-of-the-box web interface I've seen for any router.
[8:41] <xiambax> How much?
[8:42] <xiambax> no 5ghz though
[8:42] <linq> Amazon has them for $99
[8:42] <linq> If you want 5ghz, that's another story. But you wouldn't want 5ghz unless you had clear line of site, typically
[8:42] <xiambax> or gigabit eth
[8:43] <xiambax> I live in a studio apartment. everything is line of sight lol
[8:43] <xiambax> The only room with a door on it is my bathroom lol
[8:45] <linq> The cool thing that I like about mikrotik though is their modularity. Great for outdoor aps, because you can switch the radio cards in and out
[8:46] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[8:48] <DarkTherapy> morning
[8:49] <DarkTherapy> well, it was when I woke
[8:49] <linq> Question about omxplayer... can't seem to get it to display on my TV. Do you typically need to specify which screen to send the video to?
[8:51] <linq> I'm using an rca video interface, not hdmi
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[9:25] <paws> why is it that when i try to mplayer File.avi... mplayer does not play the movie.. it just tells me Exiting... (End of file)
[9:25] <paws> I am running Arch Linux Arm
[9:25] <paws> so i tried vlc file.avi.. vlc opens up but it tells me cannot pre fill buffer
[9:27] <clever> paws: mplayer will give that error if you dont have access to the file
[9:27] <clever> paws: try md5sum on it
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[9:30] <Dysk> You're not really going to have a lot of luck with mplayer and vlc playing back video.
[9:30] <Dysk> The pi's not really got enough grunt for it.
[9:31] <Dysk> Omxplayer, which actually uses the GPU for decoding, works beautifully though, provided you feed it the right codecs.
[9:32] <paws> well i downloaded the omxplayer-git from aur.. i did makepkg -s
[9:33] <paws> but when i try to run omxplayer it tells me omxplayer: command not found
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[9:36] <clever> Dysk: i have plans to add gpu decoding to mplayer
[9:37] <paws> am i forgetting anything?
[9:38] <Dysk> clever: that sounds like a fair bit of work.
[9:40] <booyaa> mongrelion: lo :D
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[9:41] <clever> Dysk: probly is
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[9:45] <warddr> Hello all, I am making a DIY usb cable with external power to connect a raspberry pi with a wireless dongel. For that I am using 1 usb wire, and 1 usb male - female connector. Is it ok to just solder the red to the black wire? Or do I need something more to make an external powered cable?
[9:47] <clever> if i was to add external clamping diodes to all GPIO pins (to vcc and gnd) would that provide good enough protection to the pi, to prevent any over-voltage conditions?
[9:47] <clever> and would the voltage drop of the diode matter much?
[9:49] <paws> Dysk: why does my omxplayer tell me ERROR: COMXPlayer::OpenFile - File.mp3 ?
[9:50] <Dysk> paws: I have no idea.
[9:50] <Dysk> paws: I don't now what version of it Arch supplies or anything.
[9:50] <clever> paws: i think omxplayer is video files only
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> clever, what's your aim for gpio protection? bettr to simply not connect it to anything more than +3,3v
[9:50] <paws> err sorry I was trying mp3 and .avi
[9:50] <clever> gordonDrogon: as a safety, incase you put in higher voltages by mistake
[9:51] <clever> gordonDrogon: and simpler then a full set of buffer chips (which are direction sensitive)
[9:51] <clever> paws: can you run md5sum on the same file?
[9:51] <gordonDrogon> clever, are you making a general purpose buffer board of some sort, or just to connect to your own projects?
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[9:52] <gordonDrogon> clever, personally I think you should just be careful, however ...
[9:52] <Dysk> Nah, omxplayer happily plays back mp3 files from here.
[9:52] <paws> I dont know the original md5sum
[9:52] <clever> gordonDrogon: i was just thinking, the AVR's have internal clamping diodes and that makes them relatively robust, and it would be pretty cheap/simple to add the same to a pi board
[9:52] <clever> paws: the sum itself doesnt matter, just the fact that it works
[9:53] <shayla> does anyone happen to know which one of these is the cheapest http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_WiFi_Adapters ? *undertaking svartkast project*
[9:53] <paws> yea it does show me a sum
[9:53] <clever> paws: no idea what the error is then, are you getting the case of the filename right?
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[9:53] <gordonDrogon> clever, have a look at this: http://www.thebox.myzen.co.uk/Raspberry/Breakout.html
[9:53] <paws> clever: yes i hit the first letter + tab
[9:54] <Dysk> If you give omxplayer a file that doesn't exist as argument, it should just ignore it and then exit nicely
[9:54] <Dysk> Not error.
[9:54] <clever> mplayer has a habit of saying file not found when it lacks +r
[9:55] <gordonDrogon> clever, I've yet to kill a Pi or one of it's GPIO pins and I've never bothered and I know I've had a few accidents... but by being careful I've been fine so-far.
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[9:56] <clever> gordonDrogon: so far, all ive done with the GPIO is connect a 3v3 ftdi board to try out serial
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[9:56] <clever> and a volt meter on the '5v' rail (4.8v!)
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[9:57] <paws> i added a chmod +r to the file just in case..
[9:57] <paws> still no go
[9:58] <clever> the fact that md5sum works means you didnt need that
[9:58] <paws> I am trying to play a .mp4 and it tells me av_probe_input_buffer file.avi
[10:00] <Dysk> paws: might be worth trying a different omxplayer build?
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[10:00] <paws> this same thing happen to me on Raspbian and now on arch linux arm
[10:01] <Dysk> What memory split are you on?
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[10:02] <paws> i dont know
[10:02] * Dysk has had one very minor issue with the version of omxplayer raspbian ship
[10:02] <paws> how do i check/change memory split?
[10:03] <Dysk> Well you change it by overwriting /boot/start.elf with one of the other start.elfs in /boot (name according to how they split the memory)
[10:03] <Dysk> paws: head /proc/meminfo should tell you how much RAM you have currently
[10:04] <Dysk> Omp
[10:04] <paws> Memtotal: 220688 kB
[10:05] <Dysk> Omxplayer wants at least 64 meg going to the GPU.
[10:05] <paws> MemFree 189732
[10:05] <Dysk> Yeah, you're running 224/32 which is not enough GPU memory for omxplayer.
[10:06] <booyaa> if i'm using scratch/x11 do i need much mem for the gpu?
[10:06] <paws> how should i change it
[10:06] <booyaa> would've thought only need it if i'm doing opengl/h.264 decoding?
[10:07] <booyaa> paws: rpi-update script is the easiest way, otherwise there should be a few bootloaders name armnnn_start.ekf
[10:07] <Dysk> paws: either the rpi-update script, or 'sudo cp /boot/arm192
[10:08] <booyaa> 128/192/224/240 these indicate how much memory the cpu gets and what ever's left over goes to gpu
[10:08] <Dysk> 'sudo cp /boot/arm192_start.elf /boot/start.elf'
[10:08] * Dysk needs to fix her keyboard
[10:08] <paws> do i need to look for a specific rpi-update for my arch linux arm?
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[10:09] <booyaa> paws: you need to down load the script from github
[10:09] <booyaa> !rpi
[10:09] <booyaa> script, or 'sudo cp /boot/arm192
[10:09] <booyaa> bugger
[10:09] <booyaa> sorry
[10:09] <booyaa> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-updatehttps://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[10:09] <booyaa> flaky paste
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[10:10] <Dysk> We should form a club :)
[10:10] <booyaa> we're already part of one!
[10:10] <booyaa> RoC :D
[10:10] <paws> ok
[10:10] <booyaa> woah someone's made a 240mb image?
[10:14] <booyaa> yup got added as part of this commit: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commit/cb9513f48b6c001dffa575ca27836fcdb279c268
[10:14] <booyaa> the next one after the new codecs support (no idea what though)
[10:14] <booyaa> codecs
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[10:23] <paws> Dysk: so rpi-update 192 should be good?
[10:23] <Dysk> If that's the format to make rpi-update use the 192/64 memsplit, then yes )
[10:23] <Dysk> :)
[10:24] <Dysk> It sounds pretty plausible, but I couldn't actually claim to know rpi-update's syntax
[10:24] <paws> the sample here only shows 'rpi-update 192'
[10:25] <paws> but i will add the 64
[10:25] <Dysk> You don't need to, I'm pretty sure.
[10:25] <Dysk> The file is called arm192_start.elf - it's kinda assumed that any memory not going to the CPU is going to the GPU
[10:25] <Dysk> So it would make perfect sense for rpi-update to only take the first figure.
[10:26] <paws> ok :)
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[10:52] <warddr> I'm having the strangest problems. I made a DIY powered usb male-female cable, If I use the cable on my desktop it works just fine, with my wireless adapter as well, if I connect it with a raspberry pi and attatch a mouse to it it works fine, if I attach the wireless adapter to it it doesn't even show up in lsusb (and it does show up if I plug it straight into the raspberry pi). Anyone any clue?
[10:53] <bircoe> the wireless adapter is probably trying to draw too much power.
[10:53] <Xark> warddr: Most likely power issues. Some WiFi adapters draw too much power for internal USB ports (and low polyfuse or somesuch).
[10:54] <bircoe> the Pi has 140ma fuses on the USB ports that will "blow" when a device tries to draw more than that.
[10:54] <bircoe> the fuses are self resetting so it's not a permanent thing.
[10:54] <Xark> warddr: Powered external hub is best (or get a WiFi from short list of low-power ones known to work perhaps).
[10:55] <bircoe> I know for a fact Asus USB-N10 works just fine on the onboard USB ports.
[10:55] <warddr> That's why I made this powered cable, but without the cable the adapter showes up in lsusb, I can enable it using ifconfig, but I cannot scan. If I use it with a powered cable it doesn't even show up in lsusb
[10:55] <Xark> warddr: What exactly does this cable do?
[10:56] <warddr> Just opened the cable and added a 5V power supply to the red and black cable
[10:56] <bircoe> do the + and _ wires still make contact to the USB side?
[10:56] <bircoe> - rather
[10:56] <warddr> everything works on my desktop computer, and on the rp the cable even works with a mouse, but not with the wireless thing
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[10:57] <bircoe> so do the power wires make contact through the adapter back to the USB port or are they only connected to yoru external supply?
[10:59] <warddr> I added the power supply in parallel to the already existing red and black powerlines in the usb cable
[11:00] <clever> bircoe: is the gnd line from the usb cable still connected to gnd on the pi?
[11:01] <Xark> warddr: Interesting. So kind of a hacked powered hub. :)
[11:01] <warddr> yes
[11:02] <bircoe> warddr... perhaps you've created a ground loop...
[11:02] <warddr> (just because I didn't have a real one here, and the nearest shop where they might have it is at 20Km
[11:02] <bircoe> Xark: I wouldn't consider doing that if I were you
[11:02] <Xark> warddr: A real powered hub is isolated.
[11:02] <Xark> bircoe: Don't worry. :)
[11:02] <bircoe> good :)
[11:03] * warddr will go to that computer store, sound better than to brake the rp
[11:03] <warddr> it takes such a long time to get a replacement
[11:03] <bircoe> just order a cheapie hub off ebay or something
[11:03] <warddr> that would take a couple of days I guess
[11:04] <Xark> warddr: Yeah, I am pretty sure you get some wack electrical problems with a setup like that. When I have done similar my USB power speakers start to emit loud noises telling me I am doing bad things. :)
[11:05] <bircoe> I particularly like these: http://www.dvhardware.net/news/logitech_premium_usb_hub.jpg
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[11:05] <bircoe> powered, look nice, each port has a "connected" led
[11:06] <bircoe> I use one of these in my daughters room, a short Nokia charge cable from one of the ports to the MicroUSB power port on the Pi, then a USB cable from the Pi's USB port to the input on the hub, to turn off the Pi you just disconnect power from the hub
[11:06] <bircoe> works a treat
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[11:07] * Xark is happy with this http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005A0B4B4 (slim, 7 ports and nice beefy 3.6A power supply)
[11:07] <chithead> and costs as much as the pi
[11:07] <warddr> The only problem is all of this should also work in a car
[11:08] <warddr> so if that asus adaptor works I might be better ordering that
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[11:08] <bircoe> chithead, not if you get them from the right place, I paid $20 for the last oen I bought, $50 for the first tho...
[11:10] <teff> warddr power off your pi and plug your bodged cable in on its own and see what happens
[11:10] <teff> i had a similar problem with my cheapie old usb hub, it feeds back power into the pi through the usb port
[11:11] <warddr_> teff, even if I do not connect the power supply (it should be a normal male-female cable at this time) the wireless card is not recognised
[11:12] <warddr_> and it will indeed be feeding power back to the rp
[11:14] <bircoe> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/RPi/Pi.jpg
[11:15] <bircoe> warddr, I'd be checking that the cable is of sufficient gauge to supply the needed current, some cheap cables have insanely thin cable that can barely flow 100ma
[11:16] <Xark> chithead: I think my dinner cost more than the RPi. :)
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[11:17] <warddr_> Xark, the cable works fine on a desktop computer
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[11:18] <bircoe> plug in the wifi adapter and run this command
[11:18] <bircoe> dmesg
[11:19] <bircoe> check the last 15 or 20 lines for stuff relating to USB
[11:19] <bircoe> there may be a hardware compatibility issue with the device itself
[11:19] <Xark> warddr_: I am not sure that proves anything. Perhaps because it has a common ground or something, or perhaps the PC is more "robust". I assume your PC has three prongs and the RPi adapter has two?
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[11:20] <warddr> I'm sorry, but what do you mean by prongs?
[11:20] <bircoe> lsusb will only list devices that the kernel has loaded modules and working drivers for
[11:21] <bircoe> i think anyway
[11:21] <chithead> no, lsusb will all devices
[11:21] <bircoe> ok
[11:21] <bircoe> dmesg is still worth checking
[11:22] <chithead> there is a command called "usbmodules" for modules which are loaded for usb devices, but making sense out of its output can be challenging
[11:22] <bircoe> it will show if there are any errors with the device
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[11:23] <warddr> I guess there is something wrong: usb 1-1.2: new high speed USB device number 106 using dwc_otg
[11:23] <warddr> DEBUG:handle_hc_chhltd_intr_dma:: XactErr without NYET/NAK/ACK
[11:23] <warddr> and that in some kinds of endless loop
[11:24] <bircoe> if you google that string guess what the first link is
[11:24] <bircoe> http://elinux.org/RPi_Peripherals
[11:25] <paws> so my /proc/meminfo shows MemTotal: 188112 kB & MemFree 20612 kB & Bufferss: 12648kB
[11:25] <warddr> even more RP links http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=7145&p=88996
[11:25] <paws> does that mean i am using 192/64?
[11:26] <warddr> paws, try the free command
[11:26] <warddr> the -/+ buffers/cache will be what you need
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[11:27] <paws> ok
[11:28] <paws> my omxplayer still shows me ERROR: COMXPlayer::OpenFile - av_probe_input_buffer file.avi
[11:28] <paws> :(
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[11:35] <gordonDrogon> right... back to the soldering iron!
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> I think I've just about filled up this proto board...
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> no more room )-:
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> 8 more wires to solder and that's it done!
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[11:42] <bircoe> paws why are you using 192/63 for video playback, shouldn't you be using 128/128???
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[11:43] <paws> somebody earlier said to be to change it to 192/64 couze i was using 224/32
[11:44] <paws> so can i change it with 'rpi-update 128' ?
[11:44] <paws> or do i 'rpi-update 128/128'
[11:44] <bircoe> don't use rpi-update
[11:44] <bircoe> just copy the file start_128.elf to start.elf
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[11:45] <paws> that will do it.. just a simple cp start_128.elf start.elf ?
[11:46] <paws> followed by reboot..
[11:46] <bircoe> should do... assuming the start_128.elf file exists in your boot partition
[11:47] <paws> arm128 does.. couze i am on arch linux arm
[11:48] <paws> i just tried it... still getting av_probe_input_buffer
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[11:52] <bircoe> how big and what kind of file is it?
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[12:02] <clever> can any of the PI's outputs be configured in a LVDS compatible mode?
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[12:05] <clever> here it is, i need to output some differential data at about 69mhz
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[12:06] <clever> hmmm, done fully in software, that would be one state change every 11 host clock cycles :S
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[12:07] <clever> and considering i need 4 differential pairs of data, thats ~8 pins i need to wiggle every 11 clock cycles
[12:07] <clever> assuming the hardware gives no help
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[12:08] <gordonDrogon> me waves
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[12:09] <clever> gordonDrogon: does the pi cpu have any differential signaling modes?
[12:10] <clever> gordonDrogon: trying to get a basic plan together for http://gallery.earthtools.ca/download/LP154W01-TLD2.pdf
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> I'm not aware that it can do differential...
[12:11] <clever> gordonDrogon: most important part is page 8 (shows 3 data pairs and 1 clock pair) and 9 (dot clock of 68.9mhz)
[12:11] <clever> i know that atleast the hdmi is differential, but that may be dedicated hardware
[12:12] <clever> and... *looks*
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> clever, that's the sort of thing that needs to be connected to some sort of proper lvds type of port.
[12:13] <clever> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Raspberry-Pi-Schematics-R1.0.pdf the display connector (S2 page 4) has 3 differential lines
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> I really do not think you'll ever interface that to a Pi.
[12:13] <clever> gordonDrogon: have a look at S2 on page 4 of that pdf
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> Yes, it's a "proper" video display.
[12:14] <clever> DSI1_CP DSI1_CN (clock pos neg?)
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> it needs to be connected to an LVDS port on the PC
[12:14] <clever> then 2 data pos/neg pairs
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> it's the sort of thing in laptops/portable media players.
[12:14] <clever> and that datasheet is for the bare lcd panel off a laptop
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> quite.
[12:15] <clever> and S2 has almost enough pairs to handle it
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> So while it moght plug into the display port on the Pi, you'll need to write a kernel framebuffer driver for it and that probably needs GPU runes.
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> all I can suggest is; Good Luck.
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[12:15] <clever> but could the kernel on the cpu (ignore the GPU fully) access those pins in differential mode?
[12:16] <clever> just skip the GPU runes and do it purely from cpu mode
[12:16] <chithead> I wouldn't assume that the cpu can access anything on its own
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> I really don't know, but as it's part of the video hardware, I doubt it.
[12:16] <clever> i see the cpu has 2 unused data lanes, so a new board rev could (in theory) connect to the lcd fully
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[12:17] <clever> *looks more*
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> the SoC was never really designed for the ARM doing anything more than getting data into/out of the GPU
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[12:18] <clever> gordonDrogon: http://elinux.org/FR:RPi_Low-level_peripherals#GPIO_hardware_hacking
[12:18] <clever> gordonDrogon: if i'm reading this right, you can re-purpose some of the camera and display connector pins as GPIO
[12:19] <clever> which implies that the cpu can control those pins
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[12:20] <clever> hmmm, on a closer look, only the camera port has 'gpio capable' pins
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[12:20] <clever> ah, those 4 pins, the ones beside the differential data
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[12:21] * clever goes back to datasheet hunting
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> if you repurpose them for the ARM to use, then they may lose some of their capabilities.
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> e.g. I re-use the SPI and I2C pins, but when in normal GPIO mode, they don't work in their other modes.
[12:22] <clever> it looks like the page says nothing about the differential pairs
[12:22] <clever> only the i2c lines and 2 gpio lines
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> I'd suggest that you might want to tackle an easier project first...
[12:22] <clever> ive drawn up some basic drivers for this lcd before in an fpga sim
[12:23] <trevorman> clever: the DSI port is connected to the VideoCore GPU not the ARM core
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> I'm still wishing you luck...
[12:23] <clever> trevorman: no way to control it at all then?
[12:24] <trevorman> well there is. you just need broadcom to give you a driver and then you need to reverse engineer it to work out what they're doing then adapt it to your specific panel assuming it is DSI...
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> unles you write kenel+gpu code for it ....
[12:24] <trevorman> at the moment, we have no access at all to that port
[12:24] <clever> trevorman: the panel has 3 pairs of data and 1 clock pair
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[12:25] <trevorman> you can't directly control those pins. not with the drivers and information we've got anyway.
[12:25] <clever> so i would need the NDA specs on the videocore and the pi's source for the videocore?
[12:26] <trevorman> you'd need to wait for the RPi foundation to do something with that DSI port
[12:26] <clever> yeah, the chances of getting the NDA stuff myself are slim
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[12:27] <loadbang> anyone know if these SD cards play well with the RPi? http://www.ebuyer.com/350691-transcend-16gb-secure-digital-high-capacity-card-ts16gsdhc10
[12:27] <clever> trevorman: any forum thread with news or plans for the DSI port?
[12:27] <BenO> gordonDrogon, did you mention a while back about the Parrot pictureframe hack for VNC? (I may have misremembered!)
[12:28] <loadbang> look good here http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#SD_card
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[12:28] <trevorman> not that I know of
[12:28] <trevorman> your LCD wants 3 LVDS pairs anyway
[12:28] <loadbang> no strange voltage problems with it being class 10?
[12:28] <clever> trevorman: and what exactly is the DSI connector?, it just says pos/neg and isnt clear
[12:28] <trevorman> they're only just talking about that CSI camera module. don't know of any plans for the DSI port yet.
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[12:29] <trevorman> clever: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Serial_Interface
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> ben0 it wan't me, but I do recall someone doing it...
[12:29] <clever> ah, DSI is a standard
[12:29] <trevorman> CSI is from MIPI as well
[12:30] <trevorman> its a standard but from what I understand, there is still a lot of model and manufacturer specific variation so it isn't plug in and go
[12:31] <clever> looking at the schematic sheet, the DSI port is 1 data lane short of supporting my lcd panel
[12:31] <clever> but there are 2 unused data lanes on the chip
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[12:32] <clever> the wiki page seems to imply that the number of lanes can be configured at run-time
[12:32] <trevorman> good luck getting to those pins tho :P
[12:33] <clever> i'm short a data lane and i dont think this panel can be reconfigured
[12:33] <clever> so it will likely have a missing color or worse
[12:33] <trevorman> your panel isn't a DSI interface anyway
[12:33] <clever> if i had any chance of driving the pins
[12:33] <clever> yeah
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[12:35] <clever> its not really marked clearly on the datasheet (cpu pins are renamed to csi or dsi)
[12:35] <clever> trevorman: but could the csi data lanes be used for output?
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[12:35] <clever> all the renaming they did makes it hard to tell if they are dedicated rx, or can go both ways
[12:36] <loadbang> Has anyone got the GPIOs to be controlled by Pure Data?
[12:36] <trevorman> CSI is connected to the GPU and some kind of camera processing core
[12:36] <clever> so it might be input only :(
[12:37] * clever checks http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BCM2835-ARM-Peripherals.pdf
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[12:43] <BenO> gordonDrogon, Thanks. Yes, I'm sure someone on here mentioned it. I'm having trouble cooking up a rootfs for it.
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[12:50] <booyaa> there's an open source kioske/shop display software
[12:50] <booyaa> does anyone remember what it's called? i tink someone wanted it tow ork with raspberry pis
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> er, now, there's a chap in the Devon/Cornwall LUG who develops it - let me look him up..
[12:51] <clever> trevorman: what is the max speed for the hardware spi interface?
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[12:52] <gordonDrogon> I think it's Webconverger?
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> http://webconverger.com/
[12:52] <booyaa> no would've recognised that name
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> well, it's an opensource web kiosk!
[12:52] <trevorman> clever: no idea sorry
[12:52] <booyaa> it used a client/server model.. so your pi could be the client and your pc pushed out the changes.
[12:52] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: thanks though
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[12:53] <gordonDrogon> loadbang, what's 'Pure Data' ?
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[12:53] <BenO> http://puredata.info/
[12:53] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: you#d love it
[12:53] <BenO> Handy viz/audio tool - fun stuff
[12:53] <loadbang> BenO: http://puredata.info/
[12:53] <loadbang> oops
[12:54] <loadbang> to gordonDrogon
[12:54] <booyaa> lots of people have used it to make music via arduinos
[12:54] <DarkTherapy> I have a python "class" to add to my pi, where do I put it in the file system?
[12:54] <booyaa> i thin the pay for is called max?
[12:54] <SolderPI> !w
[12:54] <loadbang> Yeah, Mac MSP
[12:54] <clever> trevorman: hmmm, max spi clock is the 'APB' clock
[12:54] <loadbang> Max MSP*
[12:54] <clever> trevorman: any clue what that is?
[12:54] <loadbang> Max is what I use
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[12:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
[12:55] <PiBot> RaTTuS|BIG: in Runcorn, Halton. Temp 19??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 78%, Later 23??C - 17??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
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[12:55] <trevorman> APB is the bus that its on
[12:55] <loadbang> I can't get egg drop to work well on my RPi PiBot
[12:55] <clever> trevorman: and what clock rate is that configured for on the pi?
[12:56] <clever> ah, advanced peripheral bus, still no mention of clock speed yet in this pdf
[12:56] <trevorman> no idea what the bootloader sets for it. i'd expect it to be similar to the UART clock.
[12:56] <loadbang> Max MSP would be perfect for the RPi.
[12:56] <loadbang> Have control over all the interfaces.
[12:57] <clever> trevorman: id expect the uart clock to be APBclk/x (clock devisor), same as the spi clock
[12:57] <trevorman> yeah. no idea what it is though.
[12:57] <booyaa> !w
[12:57] <trevorman> the kernel source might give you an indication
[12:57] <loadbang> http://cycling74.com/
[12:58] <trevorman> I remember looking this up before and working it out but I can't remember what it was
[12:58] <booyaa> one of my favourite things so far was an arduino with an rfid
[12:58] <booyaa> when you tapped it with an oyster the id would seed the music composition
[12:58] <booyaa> max/pd stuff
[12:59] <BenO> booyaa, a similar project took the id from the MiFare card (oyster, library, Uni, etc) and turned it into a 'unique' snowflake
[12:59] <booyaa> :)
[13:00] <loadbang> I made a facial recognition system, one opened doors, another would make you the right coffee/tea from a vending machine.
[13:01] <booyaa> opencv?
[13:01] <BenO> loadbang, nice, proper recognition :) How did you do the training side of things?
[13:01] <loadbang> want black coffee with two sugars, no need to program the machine, just press the button and it knew what to make for you.
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[13:03] <DarkTherapy> my coffee machine does that, voice recognition.. the wife..
[13:04] <loadbang> BenO: just use a few photos or take some video from a webcam, it created a fingerprint of you face, just stored a list of numbers in a table, how far your eyes are apart, distance from nose to mouth, shape of your face ets.
[13:04] <loadbang> etc*
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[13:05] <booyaa> loadbang: nice
[13:05] <booyaa> loadbang: are you london/england based?
[13:05] <loadbang> birmingham
[13:05] <booyaa> there's a hackspace splinter group you might like to join
[13:05] <booyaa> ah okay bit far then
[13:06] <booyaa> graphic hackspace part of london hackspace
[13:06] <BenO> loadbang , fizzpop?
[13:06] <loadbang> yes we have fizzpop
[13:06] <loadbang> never been, they want me to do training sessions
[13:06] <booyaa> http://www.graphicshackspace.org/
[13:06] <loadbang> max map I used for a lot of my bsc honours degree.
[13:06] <DarkTherapy> anyone here from east Yorkshire?
[13:07] <BenO> loadbang, they are a nice group of people.
[13:07] <BenO> loadbang, is the face mapping a lib/component in Max?
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[13:08] <loadbang> I think it is now, I didn't write that myself, another student did.
[13:09] <loadbang> if not there are plenty of others but their names escape me.
[13:09] <BenO> loadbang, that was the tricky part for me, hand-coding it using OpenCV :S
[13:10] <BenO> Ah, it seems someone has got B2G running on the Pi... I think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f_Y7HoTFLQ&feature=youtu.be
[13:11] <loadbang> yes, I'm rusty on that.
[13:11] <loadbang> might have been written in C or C++
[13:12] <loadbang> it was 2006 when i made that system.
[13:15] <loadbang> ugh, why is the LAN interface so unstable on the Pi?
[13:15] <loadbang> Not a power issue
[13:15] <Jck_true> loadbang: There are still USB issues :(
[13:15] <BenO> loadbang, the Eth via USB has given me problems since day one
[13:15] <loadbang> Think it is why my IRC bot is so unstable.
[13:15] <booyaa> it's been fine for me, the pi dies?
[13:16] <Jck_true> loadbang: Try doign a tail -f on your syslog and check for kernel panics
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[13:18] <Jck_true> loadbang: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/29
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> well there's an intersting way to read a scanned matrix keyboard - use the pull-up/down resistors on the chip and leave all pins in input mode...
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[13:41] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: I'm still a beginner at electronics.. What what is the problem with that?
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[13:46] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, no problem at all - it's just a novel way to do it...
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, for a 4x4 matrix, traditionally, you'd use 4 outputs and 4 inputs - i've used 8 inputs, but can make an input pretend to be an output by setting its internal pull up / pull down resistor...
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> it saves 4 resistors on the circuit board...
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[13:48] <dwatkins> Farnell are sending me a replacement Pi. Mine has intermittent network issues under CPU load.
[13:49] <dwatkins> BenO: sounds like my issues may be similar to yours
[13:49] <Jck_true> dwatkins: Pretty sure all boards got that...
[13:49] <dwatkins> Jck_true: all boards got what?
[13:49] <Jck_true> dwatkins: Kernel panics with heavy network load + USB?
[13:49] <dwatkins> The network drops if there's CPU load and never comes back up on mine.
[13:50] <Jck_true> Oh nvm then :)
[13:50] <gordonDrogon> I've seen it produce errors, but never drop offline completely...
[13:50] <dwatkins> If it dropped a ping or a packet or two, I could understand that, but this is different and doesn't coincide with panics.
[13:50] <BenO> dwatkins, all the boards suffer from that to a degree, as it is driver issues + Eth as Eth-over-USB
[13:50] <BenO> dwatkins, Yours sounds more nasty than the usual
[13:50] <dwatkins> Jck_true: yeah, so I gather - I waited until I was sure to report it, in case it was just 'as expected' etc.
[13:51] <dwatkins> yeah, BenO - don't think it's the revision of the chips, might be the resistors on the USB ports, as I gather they vary quite a lot from one board to another.
[13:51] <Jck_true> Guess my little pi hasn't matured enough to become a seedfruit yet
[13:51] <dwatkins> Even with exactly 5 Volts between TP1 and TP2 it still drops the network after a bit.
[13:51] <Jck_true> dwatkins: Yeah I powered of a 2?? Amp powersupply - no difference
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[13:52] <dwatkins> Jck_true: I used an iPad PSU and a couple others which say they can deliver 1 Amp, even without the keyboard connected I was having the same problem.
[13:53] <dwatkins> Didn't think to build a power supply capable of delivering 2 Amps, but sounds like it's not necessary ;)
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[13:53] <BenO> dwatkins, that would certainly contribute! (but there are/were some real problems with the driver)
[13:54] <dwatkins> I tried three distros, so I don't believe the driver is to blame.
[13:54] <BenO> the distros all use the same one
[13:54] <BenO> IIRC anyway
[13:54] <dwatkins> oh ok, still should at least work or give errors
[13:55] <dwatkins> mine was acting like the cable wasn't attached, despite showing messages when the cable was physically connewcted.
[13:55] <dwatkins> i.e. it never got a DHCP address
[13:55] <dwatkins> static ip didn't return pings etc.
[13:56] <BenO> dwatkins, it does sound like two issues - the sw side was kernel panicing/not responding randomly under load. It has got better.
[13:56] <Jck_true> dwatkins: Sounds like you did right returning it
[13:56] <BenO> dwatkins, as Jck_true said :)
[13:57] <dwatkins> yeah, hopefully Farnell are looking into the cause of these issues as well.
[13:57] <dwatkins> I assume it's wrong components, wrong resistor values or something like that
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[14:00] <dwatkins> Presumably Farnell are more concerned with keeping customers happy and replacing things which are broken, they didn't question my results (and I gave as many details as I could).
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[14:07] <clever> dwatkins: the ethernet card in my laptop is weird, it can rx just fine but cant tx to anything except my netbook (direct connection)
[14:07] <clever> dwatkins: ive verified it by setting a static ip and sending pings both ways, checking with tcpdump at both ends
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[14:08] <clever> half the card is half dead
[14:08] <dwatkins> strange
[14:08] <DarkTherapy> quarter dead then
[14:08] <dwatkins> full duplex?
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[14:09] <clever> dwatkins: ive tried full and half duplex at 10, 100, and 1000
[14:09] <clever> it refuses to work with anything except the netbook
[14:09] <dwatkins> ah ok, stranger still
[14:10] <dwatkins> and not the cable, i imagine
[14:10] <clever> and the netbook only has one ethernet, so all i can do is route thru the netbooks wifi
[14:10] <clever> ive tried many cables
[14:10] <clever> including cables that work fine directly connected to the netbook
[14:10] <clever> sucks that i'm limited to wifi speeds, cant push things out at gigabit when i need to
[14:12] <clever> my DSL modem has had similar artifacts, due to a bug in the linux driver
[14:12] <clever> rx (isp->customer) worked fine, but tx (customer->isp) randomly had 100% packet loss for 20 seconds
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[14:12] <clever> and without ack packets, the rx simply died off
[14:13] <clever> confirmed that by using a second modem and throwing pings in both directions
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[14:19] <dwatkins> clever: how about a different router?
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[14:22] <Ben-> hi!
[14:22] <Ben-> when I format my sd card, which format should I chose?
[14:22] <Ben-> exFat?
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[14:23] <TheBrayn> Yo mama is so fat she can only store files up to 4GB!
[14:23] <dwatkins> Ben-: you should be able to just write the image file directly to the SD Card, no need to format it.
[14:23] <dwatkins> The partitions tend to be created differently for each distro.
[14:23] <TheBrayn> m(
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[14:24] <TheBrayn> Ben-: vfat for the boot partition and something else for the rest
[14:24] <Ben-> ah oh so if i write the distro it actually changes anyway?
[14:25] <TheBrayn> define write?
[14:25] <Ben-> [14:21:24] <+TheBrayn> Yo mama is so fat she can only store files up to 4GB! <- nice one
[14:25] <dwatkins> Ben-: yeah, the image file will overwrite the partition table
[14:25] <Ben-> kk thx
[14:26] <Ben-> I found a light distro based on armf (hope thats right), is it much faster than raspbian wheey?
[14:26] <Ben-> +z
[14:27] <TheBrayn> is this a question?
[14:27] <Ben-> yes
[14:27] <dwatkins> Wheezy seemed pretty fast to me.
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[14:29] <mru> without knowing exactly what you found it's impossible to even speculate
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[14:30] <TheBrayn> I'm using this: http://www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/ and it works quite well
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[14:33] <gordonDrogon> I'd be really impressed if anything was faster than wheezy.
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> However what's the measure of speed?
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> s/wheezy/raspbian wheezy/ ^^
[14:34] <TheBrayn> km/h
[14:34] <clever> dwatkins: ive tried with several routers and switches
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[14:35] <dwatkins> clever: I assume you've also tried several operating systems, too
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[14:36] <clever> dwatkins: nope, but the previous owner claims this laptop didnt work
[14:36] <clever> so far, ive only found that ethernet issue, and the volume of the internal speaker sucks (bearly audible at max)
[14:37] <dwatkins> I wonder if it's worth trying a bootable USB distro, such as lubuntu, clever
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[14:37] <dwatkins> My netbook runs this, and apart from the wifi card driver needing to be manually installed, it's superb.
[14:37] <clever> dwatkins: i started with a bootable usb stick with gentoo
[14:37] <clever> and have since copied that image to the hdd
[14:37] <dwatkins> perhaps it's the driver, then
[14:38] <dwatkins> seems strange that it only works via crossover to your netbook, though.
[14:38] <dwatkins> I'm just curious as to the cause of it.
[14:38] <clever> doesnt need a crossover
[14:38] <clever> its one of those newer auto crossover cards
[14:39] <dwatkins> I wonder if it's got a bug which makes it only work when in crossover mode.
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[14:45] <Jck_true> Can anybody suggest me a good PSU which gives me 5v for the raspi and 12v for a fan+3??" HDD - And it can't be more than 5cm tall :(
[14:46] <chithead> get an external hdd with psu, and steal 5v for the pi
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[14:47] <Jck_true> chithead: I - am - a retard... Yeah the USB<->Sata adataper comes with an adapter
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[14:52] <shapr> Hm, looks like I can't power both an Arduino LilyPad and a Linksys WUSB54GC at the same time.
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[15:05] <shapr> djhuk
[15:05] <shapr> er, that was meant for nickserv
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[15:06] <booyaa> whoops
[15:06] * booyaa ghosts shapr
[15:07] <booyaa> loljk
[15:07] <shapr> booyaa: No, I'm looking for that user from the Raspberry Pi forums, hoping he might be on irc as well :-)
[15:07] <booyaa> heh well recovered
[15:07] <shapr> But he's not registered on nickserv, so I assume not.
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[15:07] <booyaa> have we got a seen bot?
[15:07] <shapr> I'm trying to get a copy of his GHC 7.4.2 binaries for armhf
[15:07] <booyaa> !seen shapr
[15:08] <booyaa> ghc?
[15:08] <shapr> I guess not
[15:08] <shapr> Haskell compiler
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[15:08] <booyaa> shapr: praps he's on twitter?
[15:08] <shapr> could be, I'll check
[15:09] <Jck_true> shapr: If you use Haskell you don't deserve to find him anyway :)
[15:09] <shapr> aw :-(
[15:10] <shapr> Oh hey, I want to run my Raspberry Pi in my jacket, I finally got it to associate to my wifi, but I want to give it a list of access points to associate with.. Is there a config file demo for that?
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[15:13] <Dyskette> In your... jacket?
[15:14] <shapr> Yah, I bought one of these http://www.scottevest.com/v3_store/Revolution-Plus-Jacket.shtml
[15:14] <Jck_true> Dyskette: Least it's not in his pants....
[15:15] <markllama> "I got a Pi in my pants and I want you all to..." nevermind.
[15:15] <shapr> Most of the pockets in that jacket have buttonholes so you can route wires along the inside of the jacket.
[15:15] <Dyskette> Jck_true: it's not even like that'd be good for 'are you happy to see me, or...' gags, given the size ;)
[15:16] <markllama> Dyskette: Add a battery of D cells and you have the right picture.,
[15:16] <shapr> and I have a five foot FTDI cable so I can put my Arduino LilyPad on one side, and the Pi on the other.
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[15:16] <Jck_true> anyway - http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ Should have the information somewhere - I only use wired on linux i'm afried to admit
[15:16] <Dyskette> markllama: heh, fair enough.
[15:16] <clever> shapr: if you use wpa_supplicant, it will connect to any essid you put in the config
[15:17] <clever> shapr: and it can also be configured to connect to any AP
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> +big batteries - especially if powering a wifi device..
[15:17] <shapr> clever: So far I'm using wpa-ssid and wpa-psk directly in /etc/network/interfaces
[15:17] <clever> gordonDrogon: my mp3 player took 2 AAA's and lasted ~12h, i upgraded it to 4 (or 8) D cells
[15:17] <clever> gordonDrogon: it lasted 6 months :P
[15:18] <clever> and i think those where dead when i started
[15:18] <shapr> clever: I wasn't able to get wpa_supplicant config working, but I now realize the usb wifi dongles I was using aren't supported on armhf...
[15:18] <shapr> So maybe I should try again.
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[15:18] <gordonDrogon> I'm powering a Pi off 6 x AA's right now .... not sure how long it will lastt though - I've just bought a box more - it's also driving motors...
[15:18] <shapr> gordonDrogon: Are you sending power to the regulator, or direct to the GPIO pins?
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> shapr, via a 7805 - which runs rather warm..
[15:19] <shapr> Anyway, I'm hoping to use my Pi to read my Google Calendar and remind me when I need to go to class :-)
[15:19] <fwisses> Halp. HDMI video is going off the screen. Using Raspbian. Enabling overscan seems to help, but not quite enough. Cannot change monitor settings.
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> shapr, sending 9v to the 5V on the GPIO would be somewhat foolish IMO ...
[15:19] <shapr> gordonDrogon: true :-)
[15:19] <Jck_true> My china 3.7V Li-Ion battery rated at 2600mAh runs my pi in 2?? hours
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> shapr, don't you have a mobile phone for that?
[15:20] <shapr> gordonDrogon: Nope
[15:20] <shapr> Paying for my own school, so I can afford to buy a Pi, but not a mobile phone + contract
[15:20] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Maybe you could girls with phones back when you were a teen - That doesn't work anymore
[15:20] <Jck_true> get*
[15:20] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: (And yes I know your age)
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[15:21] <markllama> shapr: you can get pay as you go deals for phones (I'm a cheapskate)
[15:21] <clever> does suspend to ram work well on the pi?, how much power does it save?
[15:21] <shapr> markllama: I've looked at those, but here in the US, the minutes expire after three months or so anyway.
[15:21] <booyaa> we have a sleep mode in pi?
[15:21] <booyaa> how does one enable this and what wakes it?
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, yea, phones hadn't been invented when I was a teen...
[15:21] <clever> booyaa: i noticed it enabled in the kernel config
[15:21] <markllama> yeah, but then you have a phone with wifi ;-)
[15:21] <shapr> markllama: So I figure, use the university wifi that covers the whole campus instead :-)
[15:21] <Dyskette> A cheap old PDA off ebay or something would probably be a better fit than the rpi for that, shapr
[15:21] <Jck_true> A used iPod touch
[15:22] <fwisses> I tried the overscan_*** thing, but I don't know how hiigh or low I should go.
[15:22] <booyaa> clever: oh sweet
[15:22] <Jck_true> shapr: You still don't have a display
[15:22] <clever> booyaa: let me see if i can find the right /proc
[15:22] <Dyskette> fwisses: keep increasing the numbers till it no longer spills off the screen, pretty much.
[15:22] <Dyskette> fwisses: it takes a bit of trial and error
[15:22] <shapr> Dyskette: Could be, but I've wanted a 'real' Linux box in my pocket for years :-)
[15:22] <markllama> shapr: have fun regardless.
[15:22] <Dyskette> shapr: that's fair
[15:22] <clever> shapr: eeepc
[15:23] <shapr> Jck_true: I have RGB LEDs, speaker, and a tiny vibe board, all for etextile purposes.
[15:23] <clever> shapr: and a large pocket
[15:23] <shapr> clever: Well, I'd still have to take out the eee to use it...
[15:23] <Jck_true> shapr: Nice one - Good luck with it bro
[15:23] <shapr> I wish Nokia still made internet tablets, those were perfect.
[15:23] <clever> shapr: ive modified my eeepc, i put an ftdi and xbee internaly
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[15:23] <clever> shapr: you could then have a second xbee and avr on your coat
[15:23] <shapr> clever: Oh that's cool! tell me more!
[15:23] <clever> shapr: the camera port on the motherboard is just a normal JST connector with usb
[15:24] <Jck_true> (I'm still anoyed over the 8x8 led matrix i bought - Aint got enough pins on the rasp to drive it thought it used SPI or I2C :( :( )
[15:24] <shapr> I have two Freakduinos that combine XBee and an Arduino on the same board, they're neat and fun.
[15:24] <clever> shapr: see the 3 clips along the top of the keyboard?
[15:24] <fwisses> Haha, that explains why I saw no visible change after rebooting.
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[15:24] <fwisses> I edited /boot/config
[15:24] <fwisses> instead of /boot/config.txt
[15:25] <shapr> clever: I think so..
[15:25] <Jck_true> fwisses: Be carefull editing it on windows btw - There are problems with line conversion
[15:25] <Jck_true> \r\n vs \n
[15:25] <clever> shapr: if you push one with your finger nail, it should click and the keyboard will pop up slightly
[15:25] <shapr> clever: Looks like three small buttons?
[15:25] <clever> shapr: click all 3 and the whole keyboard will fold out
[15:26] <clever> just dont push the keyboard down, or it will lock back into place
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[15:26] <shapr> clever: I don't have an EEE, but I'm looking at http://forum.eeeuser.com/index.php?/topic/5130-usb-hub-integration-without-soldering-project-possible/
[15:27] <clever> shapr: ah
[15:27] <clever> shapr: let me get a decent photo
[15:27] <shapr> I have a Lenovo X61t that I use for university.
[15:27] <shapr> My sister has a spare EEE, she'd probably give it to me if I wanted to hack it.
[15:28] <sam> I had an X61t and it was awesome
[15:29] <shapr> Yah, I love mine :-)
[15:29] <sam> and I switched for an X220t which doesn't have as good a screen
[15:29] <shapr> I've had a few weird problems with it, but it's good for a poor college student.
[15:29] <shapr> and I've certainly put enough wear and tear on it
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[15:30] <clever> the power cord is on its way out with mine
[15:30] <clever> until i fix that, its bearly usable
[15:30] <clever> move it the wrong way and i cant charge it
[15:30] <shapr> sam: I do wish Lenovo would put out a tablet model with a 1280x1024 at least
[15:30] <clever> shapr: http://beta.ivc.no/wiki/index.php/File:Eee_open_front.jpg
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[15:30] <clever> shapr: see the piece of yellow tape in the top left corner?
[15:31] <sam> shapr: amen to that; I hope Apple's retina display gives other constructors the kick they deserve
[15:31] <shapr> I could probably use one of my XO 1.0s in place of an EEE
[15:31] * shapr waits for the image to load
[15:31] <clever> shapr: yeah, something is odd with that server today
[15:32] <shapr> Aha, yes I see it.
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[15:32] <clever> shapr: beta.ivc.no/wiki/index.php/File:Eee_diagram_front.jpg this picture is better
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[15:32] <clever> the webcam port is just plain usb
[15:32] <shapr> neat
[15:33] <clever> all i did was de-solder the usb connector on a usb board
[15:33] <Aleksander> Hello :) Do you know if I can extend my order at E14? Iordered one RP for myself, and afterwards a friend approached me and asked for one, too - I'd like them to ship together, is that possible?
[15:33] <clever> then solder some thin wires to it
[15:33] <clever> shapr: let me throw a list together quickly
[15:33] <shapr> clever: Looks exciting... where'd you fit the xbee?
[15:33] <clever> shapr: the expansion bay in the bottom
[15:33] <shapr> Or did you just run an FTDI cable from that port out?
[15:33] <shapr> oh neat!
[15:34] <clever> where the missing mini-pcie connector is
[15:34] <clever> its completely internal, you dont see a thing
[15:34] <shapr> That's really awesome.
[15:34] <Jck_true> Aleksander: Contact them - Their customer support should be pretty friendly
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[15:35] <Aleksander> Jck_true, thank you, I thought there could be some standard way for doing it :)
[15:35] <shapr> clever: Do you have this written up somewhere? Sounds like something I'd see on hackaday.
[15:36] <fwisses> Frick. Overscan is at 200 for top and bottom an dit works.
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[15:36] <cornflake> ah
[15:36] <cornflake> rpi going to be here today
[15:36] <shapr> yay!
[15:36] <clever> shapr: https://www.sparkfun.com/wish_lists/46320
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[15:36] <cornflake> yay indeed!
[15:36] <fwisses> Nothing changes for left though. I set it to 400 from the usual 16. Nothing changed.
[15:36] <clever> shapr: not yet
[15:36] <cornflake> i got an email this morning with a tracking number and telling me i've been charged after a week of the order being in
[15:36] <clever> shapr: basicaly, you plug that JST cable into the motherboard, solder it to the ftdi (after removing usb connector)
[15:36] <cornflake> and checked the tracking number, it's already here
[15:36] <clever> shapr: then hook the ftdi to the xbee breakout, and add an xbee
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[15:37] <shapr> clever: That's nifty. If you set it up right, you could plug in xbee, or arduino, or whatever to the FTDI
[15:37] <clever> shapr: theres not enough room for anything else, bearly enough room for the xbee
[15:37] <thrawed> welcome to the club, now you can join the rest of us, who just leave our pis in a drawer after getting bored after a week
[15:37] <clever> shapr: i originaly wanted gps
[15:38] <clever> shapr: but i settled for putting the gps on an xbee
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[15:38] <shapr> thrawed: Want to get rid of yours? :-)
[15:38] <shapr> I have a friend flying over here on Thursday, and we'd love to get hold of a spare Pi.
[15:39] <clever> shapr: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/116
[15:39] <sutterCane> is it possible to boot diferent distros on the pi but using the same kernel.img on the sd card?
[15:39] <clever> basicaly, i connected this header to the breakout board with as short of a wire as posible
[15:39] <ReggieUK> sutterCane, kind of
[15:39] <clever> shapr: so i can then plug the xbee board into the ftdi
[15:39] <ReggieUK> you just need to access cmdline.txt edit it before you use a different rootfs
[15:40] <clever> shapr: but you can probly save space if you use a custom board with the xbee footprint&ftdi onboard
[15:40] <ReggieUK> so that it points to the correct rootfs partition
[15:40] <shapr> clever: wirewrap it ;-)
[15:40] <ReggieUK> there is also uboot knocking around somewhere
[15:40] <clever> ReggieUK: does the pi support using an initrd at all?
[15:40] <clever> shapr: i would need pins to do that
[15:40] <ReggieUK> no idea
[15:40] <sutterCane> very nice, thank you ReggieUK
[15:40] <clever> shapr: even a 2mm xbee socket is too much
[15:40] <shapr> ah right
[15:40] <fwisses> I guess I'll just run it off composite video.
[15:41] <ReggieUK> but I don't think the pi has to support initrd does it?
[15:41] <ReggieUK> it's just that the kernel needs setting up for it
[15:41] <fwisses> Can I plug in composite video while the pi is on?
[15:41] <fwisses> It's already hooked up by HDMI.
[15:41] <clever> ReggieUK, sutterCane: i suspect you could make a kernel with the initrd linked into it, then the initrd could present a menu, and chroot to the distro of your choice
[15:41] <Dyskette> fwisses: you can't have it running both video outputs, so probably not usefully, at least.
[15:42] <ReggieUK> clever, that's why I suggested uboot, to give you options
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[15:42] <clever> uboot does sound like a better solution, but ive never looked at it before
[15:42] <sutterCane> sounds good. for the moment i can live with editing cmdline.txt
[15:43] <clever> shapr: xbee is also not limited to a single peer, so i could put it in API mode and receive packets from a dozen devices
[15:43] <clever> shapr: in API mode i get the source device addr
[15:43] <shapr> clever: Right, I like XBee lots.
[15:44] <clever> shapr: the biggest surprise problem, the tinfoil shield on the bottom cover
[15:44] <clever> having a foil shield directly against your chip antenna doesnt help your signal :P
[15:44] <shapr> hahaa
[15:44] <shapr> So all the RF-blocking they put around the EEE internals actually works :-)
[15:44] <clever> shapr: and i have no idea what a 2.4ghz transmiter on the inside of the shield is going to do to system stability
[15:45] <clever> but i cut a hole the size/shape of the chip antenna, right over the antenna
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[15:45] <clever> so its got a neat little window to shout out of
[15:45] <shapr> Did you put foil under the XBee to block signals to the internals?
[15:46] <clever> nope
[15:46] <clever> and with all of the exposed pins, id need to wrap it in several layers of plastic
[15:46] <clever> oh, another minor problem
[15:46] <clever> i put a volt meter on the 5v supply over usb
[15:46] <clever> turned it on
[15:46] <clever> +5v +5v 0v 0v 0v ....???
[15:47] <clever> shapr: turns out, if the bios cant find a valid device (D+/D- disconnected), it turns power off!
[15:47] <shapr> huh, smart for power saving, frustrating for adding hacked in devices :-)
[15:47] <clever> and after that, i found out i can manualy control power, /sys/devices/platform/eeepc/camera
[15:47] <clever> 0 cuts power, 1 turns it back on
[15:47] <clever> so i can hard reboot the xbee
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[15:49] <clever> you could put the modded eeepc in your backpack, and then have a much lower power xbee+avr on the coat
[15:49] <clever> or even use the gpio on the xbee and ditch the uC
[15:49] <clever> shapr: how large of an area do you plan to have it work over?
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[15:52] <shapr> clever: My university has wifi that covers pretty much the whole campus, and the jacket has a large pocket designed to hold a small laptop, so I think that will work out.
[15:53] <clever> i was thinking of something more custom, spread pi's all over the place :P
[15:53] <shapr> haha, that would be awesome.
[15:53] <clever> pi's with xbee's everywhere
[15:53] <clever> to give yourself a private xbee network
[15:53] <clever> then the coat can use much lower power xbee+avr hardware
[15:53] <shapr> I have two Arduinos with XBees, I've used them to sniff 2.4GHz traffic, but there's nothing within many miles :-(
[15:53] <clever> maybe rent out access to your xbee network :P
[15:54] <Squirm> speaking of spreading pi's
[15:54] <Squirm> http://synergy-foss.org/
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[15:54] <Squirm> what is xbee? I see it's wireless connectivity, but how far?
[15:54] <fwisses> Would changing the HDMI mode possibly help the overscan problem?
[15:54] <clever> Squirm: depends on the power level and antenna type
[15:54] <shapr> Squirm: It's roughly like wifi, but it's a different protocol designed for lower power devices.
[15:55] <clever> Squirm: mainly just serial links
[15:55] <Ben-> are there any updates on Android for the pi?
[15:55] <Ben-> "updates" in the sense of the status of development
[15:56] <clever> booyaa: let me see if i can find the standby file
[15:56] <Squirm> ok
[15:57] <Squirm> Ben-: they're waiting on audio support
[15:57] <Squirm> otherwise it's downloadable
[15:57] <Ben-> thx for the info
[15:59] <clever> booyaa: ah found it, cat /sys/power/state
[15:59] <clever> booyaa: doesnt seem to have any choices on the pi
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[15:59] <clever> booyaa: basicaly, if you write 'standby' to that file, the system goes directly to standby, with no prep or recovery (video/wifi may be toast on resume)
[16:00] <clever> booyaa: normaly a shell script preps things, writes, then restarts all the drivers
[16:00] <clever> but the pi doesnt have any choices inside the file, so no kernel support
[16:00] <mongrelion> Hi there
[16:01] <mongrelion> it sucks that I leave the rpi all night long on downloading stuff and in the morning I come back to it and it doesn't respond. no image on the screen/tv; no accepting of incoming ssh connections. totally frozen :/
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[16:03] <shapr> clever: Thanks for the ideas, I'll be back later with more questions I'm sure :-)
[16:04] <booyaa> mongrelion: any panics in the syslog?
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[16:08] <booyaa> clever: thanks, gives me a place to start. bit like the /proc/sys/class/leds :)
[16:08] <mongrelion> booyaa: haven't checked.
[16:08] <booyaa> you can then see what's been wired up in the pi kernel
[16:09] <clever> booyaa: hmmm, i see 2 led's but i can only think of one thats connected to the cpu?
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[16:10] <booyaa> clever: i think one of them is connected to the pwr
[16:10] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: found the kernel source ages ago
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> booyaa, er, yes?
[16:11] <clever> booyaa: mmc0 doesnt seem to effect the OK led
[16:11] <clever> led0 has the same trigger, *tries*
[16:11] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: soz mate name dropping
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> :)
[16:12] <clever> booyaa: led0 works, but its mis-configured in kernel
[16:13] <clever> booyaa: it claims to have brightness levels from 0 to 255, but 1-255 are all solid on
[16:13] <clever> minor
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> that only works on PWM outputs.
[16:13] <ReggieUK> led0 on the pi is configured for mmc in bcm2708.c I believe
[16:13] <clever> gordonDrogon: yeah, it should give a max_brightness of 1 for non-pwm outputs
[16:13] <clever> ReggieUK: yeah it appears to have manual and automatic (sd activity) modes
[16:14] <clever> ReggieUK: it also has a mmc0:: led in the dir, which seems to have no effect
[16:14] <fwisses> Has anybody tried to turn on mousekeys in Raspbian?
[16:15] <clever> ReggieUK: do you happen to know anything about the plans for the DSI interface?
[16:15] <ReggieUK> mousekeys?
[16:15] <ReggieUK> I know *nothing* about any of the foundations plans :)
[16:15] <clever> ah
[16:16] <ReggieUK> fwisses, I've setup gpio-keys on the pi
[16:16] <ReggieUK> which also has the related gpio-mouse driver
[16:16] <ReggieUK> not sure if that's what you're looking for?
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[16:17] <clever> ReggieUK: glancing at the struct's, it looks like only led0 is configured, so i'm not sure where the mmc0:: led comes from yet
[16:17] <TheBrayn> structs not struct's
[16:17] <ReggieUK> search for mmc in that file
[16:17] <ReggieUK> that's how it gets related
[16:18] <ReggieUK> you give the led a subsystem or something and it happens to be set to mmc
[16:18] <clever> ReggieUK: doesnt show up in any of the led related info, except for the default trigger on led0
[16:18] <ReggieUK> indeed
[16:18] <clever> doesnt explain the second (non functional?) led in the dir
[16:18] <ReggieUK> that's the bit I'm talking about
[16:18] <ReggieUK> ahh, I see
[16:18] <fwisses> ReggieUK: By mousekeys, I mean controlling the mouse pointer using the keyboard's numpad.
[16:18] <clever> root@raspberrypi:/sys/class/leds# ls\nled0 mmc0::
[16:19] <clever> ReggieUK: led0 is in platform/leds-gpio, while mmc0:: is just platform/leds/
[16:19] <ReggieUK> fwisses, I have no idea about that the, sorry
[16:19] <fwisses> "Darn," said fwisses.
[16:19] <clever> leds-gpio is the name from struct platform_device bcm2708_led_device
[16:20] <ReggieUK> mmc0 not exposed properly in userland then?
[16:20] <clever> its being exported by some other kernel driver
[16:20] <clever> and controls an unknown pin
[16:20] <ReggieUK> get an LA on the gpio and see which one wiggles when you do something to the led driver?
[16:20] <ReggieUK> or a dmm
[16:21] <mongrelion> I can see an expception in the syslog /o\
[16:21] <clever> for all i know, it could be one of the un-connected gpio pins
[16:21] <ReggieUK> how is it an unknown pin?
[16:21] <clever> it doesnt effect the OK led, and no other led goes to the gpu
[16:21] <clever> or cpu
[16:22] <clever> so i have no clue what pin it controls
[16:22] <ReggieUK> sure but somewhere in the code it's got to ID itself when it tries to do stuff
[16:22] <clever> yeah, still trying to find that in the code
[16:22] <ReggieUK> ahh, ok :)
[16:22] <clever> the device name is rather generic, 'leds'
[16:22] <ReggieUK> I thought you'd hit a random show stopper
[16:23] <ReggieUK> yeah, that's going to return a lot of hits :D
[16:23] <clever> i'm also looking up what gpio the OK led is on, it looks trivial to add a dozen more /sys leds on the gpio header
[16:24] <ReggieUK> \o/ yay, moodpi
[16:24] <Hodapp> moodpi?
[16:24] <clever> ok, its connected t the STATUS_LED_N wire, *looks more*
[16:24] <ReggieUK> if clever adds more leds to the led subsystem he can make a moodpi
[16:24] <Dyskette> Like a mood ring, changes colour?
[16:24] <ReggieUK> indeed
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[16:24] <Dyskette> Heh. I like that concept :)
[16:25] <Dyskette> It'd be just like a mood ring - changing colour based on some variable that has nothing to do with mood :P
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[16:25] <clever> there it is, page 2
[16:25] <clever> GPIO16 it says
[16:25] <ReggieUK> page 2 of what?
[16:25] <ReggieUK> datasheet?
[16:25] <clever> which matches up with .gpio = 16, in the code
[16:25] <clever> ReggieUK: schematic
[16:26] <clever> ReggieUK: http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Raspberry-Pi-Schematics-R1.0.pdf
[16:26] <Hodapp> I have my Pi driving 56 ShiftBrite LED modules in full RGB color... that's sort of like a MoodPi.
[16:26] <clever> ReggieUK: IO1 left middle area
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[16:27] <clever> ReggieUK: GPIO_GEN0 (one of the pins on the gpio header) is routed to GPIO17 on the cpu, so i think you just need to copy that struct and bump it up to 17
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[16:28] <clever> ReggieUK: the struct also has it configured as active low, so the led's would need to go to 3.3v
[16:28] <ReggieUK> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
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[16:28] <ReggieUK> looking at that you can pick out whichever gpios match
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[16:29] <clever> ReggieUK: looks like the image uses the cpu numbering
[16:29] <clever> so that makes it simple
[16:29] <ReggieUK> indeed :)
[16:29] <clever> any pin on that header can be configured as a purely kernel controled SD activity light
[16:29] <ReggieUK> well, it gives you both, the pin header numbering to gpio mapping
[16:30] <clever> for general led control i see no real need to set it 'properly'
[16:30] <clever> the gpio stuff in /sys would work fine
[16:31] <clever> i could see a benefit if you wanted to do a 'proper' case without light-pipes, just add your own led's, and then define them
[16:32] <clever> hmmm, how does it know what function to use, *looks*
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[16:32] <Generale_Russo> good day to all!
[16:32] <clever> i think its just calling back to the gpio interface...
[16:33] <Generale_Russo> i was working on the RPi, trying to install an instant messenger program, but looks like that ayttm doesn't work properly...
[16:33] <clever> which itself is just a struct defining the io addr
[16:34] <booyaa> Generale_Russo: is ayttm command line multi transport chat?
[16:34] <swecide> Generale_Russo: irssi+bitlbee all you need :)
[16:34] <Generale_Russo> uhm ayttm has actually a GUI, i'm not that expert in working with commandline
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[16:35] <booyaa> need to get my head around bitlbee
[16:35] <booyaa> definite what i need to use since i spend all my time in irssi
[16:35] <Generale_Russo> because, let's say i'm ashamed of it, but i can't stop using MSN :|
[16:35] <swecide> apt-get bitlbee and connect to, basically
[16:36] <Generale_Russo> i'll try bitlbee then ehehe
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[16:39] <clever> ReggieUK: hmmm, cant seem to find it....
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[16:43] <Generale_Russo> uhm ok installed bitlbee and is just filling me with errors ahah
[16:44] <ReggieUK> clever :/
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[16:46] <clever> ReggieUK: aha! drivers/mmc/host/sdhci.c:3052: "%s::", mmc_hostname(mmc));
[16:46] <clever> i found it by searching for :: lol
[16:46] <clever> last thing i would have expected to work
[16:46] <booyaa> swecide: hang on let me join this workshop
[16:46] <clever> ReggieUK: brightness_set = sdhci_led_control
[16:47] <clever> ReggieUK: all leads into sdhci_activate_led
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[16:48] <ReggieUK> all relatively simple then
[16:48] <ReggieUK> bbiab
[16:48] <DarkTherapy> has anyone done any eye-fi sd card mods with the pi?
[16:48] <DarkTherapy> like used it as a wifi ap
[16:48] <clever> ReggieUK: still not sure where it ultimately lands
[16:48] <DarkTherapy> client
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[16:49] <clever> DarkTherapy: has that ever worked as a wifi slave?, i thought it acted like a fat32 filesystem and just did the uploads transparently?
[16:50] <DarkTherapy> you can create a wifi ap with the cards too
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[16:50] <DarkTherapy> within reason..
[16:50] <Generale_Russo> uhm is it normal that bitlbee doesn't reat the configuration file at the first start?
[16:51] <clever> DarkTherapy: would be neat, but you would need to transfer to either OS in ram or OS on usb
[16:51] <DarkTherapy> I see
[16:51] <booyaa> swecide: Generale_Russo did you get then when you did the apt-get install?
[16:51] <booyaa> Generale_Russo: i think you can tell it's working if you fire up your irc client and point to
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[16:52] <swecide> booyaa: I've never had any trouble with installing bitlbee with apt-get, from source however. It usually fails lol
[16:52] <Generale_Russo> mmmh, i think i need to read more about this program
[16:53] <booyaa> Generale_Russo: yeah, if there's it's any consolation. i think the raspbian package is more stable than arch
[16:53] <booyaa> i actually got the local ircd to start
[16:53] <clever> DarkTherapy: depends on if it has its own flash or not
[16:53] <Generale_Russo> well being a newbie i installed raspibian as well
[16:54] <DarkTherapy> yeh, I'll google around
[16:54] <mongrelion> booyaa: this is the error: smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0: eth0: kevent 2 may have been dropped - it has already been reported by several users.
[16:55] <clever> DarkTherapy: ah, looks like it does have internal flash
[16:55] <Generale_Russo> ah wait a second
[16:55] <booyaa> mongrelion: :(
[16:55] <clever> DarkTherapy: so you may be able to put debian on the eyefi, then somehow access the flash and wifi, but no clue how
[16:55] <Generale_Russo> i actually use irssi to like chat in MSN, while using the bitlbee daemon
[16:55] <DarkTherapy> ok, cheers
[16:55] <DarkTherapy> would be cool to use it for storage and wifi with pi
[16:55] <booyaa> DarkTherapy: keep us up to date with your progress
[16:56] <clever> DarkTherapy: it comes in 2g 4g and 8g models
[16:56] <booyaa> that would be kinda sweet if you got it working
[16:56] <clever> DarkTherapy: just no clue how it will react to a linux fs and partitions
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[16:56] <DarkTherapy> mines 4gb
[16:56] <booyaa> eyefi has gps or is it using some kinda skyhook/wifi sniffing?
[16:56] <DarkTherapy> wifi
[16:56] <clever> DarkTherapy: id start by just trying to boot the pi from it
[16:56] <DarkTherapy> yeh
[16:58] <DarkTherapy> if it doesn't find my home wifi it created its own access point for my phone to connect to and grab photos
[16:59] <Ben-> can I change the use of videocore after the installation?
[16:59] <Ben-> not sure what to chose now
[16:59] <Butcho> want to make a media server. Do I: 1) install raspbmc 2) install openelec 3) build XBMC for raspbian per this page http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC ?
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[17:00] <dieck> Butcho: do you want a media server, or a media player? or both?
[17:00] <Butcho> both
[17:00] <mongrelion> Butcho: xbian.org. so far the best/fastest raspberry pi's xbmc distro.
[17:01] <Butcho> xbian... cool! does it support HDMI CEC ?
[17:02] <Butcho> CEC is the hdmi protocol to use your TV remote
[17:02] <Butcho> so to speak, if your TV supports it
[17:02] <mongrelion> I haven't yet tried the HDMI, but I saw it working in a video in youtube. also, I have read some kind of bug report for the CEC thing, but I don't really know what that is.
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[17:03] <lmarcetic> anybody running roundcube on raspbian?
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[17:04] <booyaa> does xmbc support hdmi cec if you exclude raspberry pi?
[17:04] <Aleksander> Hello - how can I order more than one RP from E14? https://export.farnell.com/jsp/raspi/purchase.jsp?&country=PL gives me already-set quantity.
[17:04] <Butcho> it does I believe
[17:04] <Butcho> dieck: any advice from you?
[17:07] <mongrelion> booyaa: no idea, but I'd expect it to.
[17:08] <mongrelion> from xbian.org: This hotfixes the CEC issue people were having on XBian 0.5. It also fixes the missing xbian settings addon logo.
[17:08] <mongrelion> "NOTE: You don???t have to enable CEC manually in the XBian Settings Addon. To enable read this http://forum.xbian.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4"
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[17:09] <Butcho> mongrelion: thanks I'm downloading now
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[17:10] <mongrelion> Butcho: seriously, I have tried archlinux arm, raspbian, raspbmc and xbian, and so far, the one that works more smoothly is xbian, but I can't really tell what's the tweaking they do to it.
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[17:12] <booyaa> Aleksander: was this off an invitation? wondernig if the waiting list ones are hard coded to only allow you to order one per address?
[17:12] <mongrelion> booyaa: http://blog.sheasilverman.com/2012/07/raspbian-on-raspberry-pi-mame-mess-quake3-neogeo-and-cave-story-binaries/ :D
[17:12] <booyaa> Aleksander: do you just place the order now or was this using an email invitation to order url?
[17:12] <Ben-> can you recommend a good rpi case?
[17:12] <AC`97> Ben-: homemade
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[17:13] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/103853333444314240950/RaspberryPi?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCLbrpZ7sjI_BVw&feat=directlink
[17:13] <mongrelion> Ben-: pibow <3
[17:13] <grnis> mongrelion: Xbian compiles the the system with flags for the platform, instead of generic old arm cpu.
[17:13] <mongrelion> grnis: good to know. Anything else besides that and the hardfloat?
[17:13] <Aleksander> booyaa, I'm using the links from raspberrypi.org FAQ, not some kind of invitation
[17:14] <booyaa> Aleksander: prolly best to contact farnell directly then, sounds like a bug in the ordering site
[17:14] <grnis> mongrelion: Haven't checked what they use, but here is what I'm using (as recommended by http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi#stage4): CFLAGS="-O2 -march=armv6j -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=hard"
[17:15] <Aleksander> booyaa, I've already done that, they claim I CAN order more than one, and when I kept being stubborn they went to investigate further
[17:15] <Aleksander> I just wanted to see if the same happens to you
[17:15] <grnis> mongrelion: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=61497#p61497
[17:15] <mongrelion> booyaa: a bug or you're just jealous because now people don't have to wait 1x weeks to order their rpi? :P
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[17:16] <booyaa> mongrelion: i'm cool, i've got two at the mo (one's a loaner). the rs one will arrive at some point
[17:16] <booyaa> :D
[17:17] <mongrelion> I feel with RS as I felt with DukeNukem Forever :D
[17:18] <booyaa> hahah
[17:18] <booyaa> i know that fee
[17:18] <booyaa> l
[17:18] <Essobi> waiting FOREVAR??
[17:18] <booyaa> forever alone with out my pi
[17:19] <Essobi> Heh...I got two pi's.
[17:19] <Essobi> My wait from element wasn't too bad..
[17:20] <Aleksander> btw, it'll be some weeks until I buy Raspberry Pi and I'd like to ask you a question - I want to make it my home torrent server
[17:21] <Aleksander> so that I place a file to send and .torrent on a SD card and it starts seeding
[17:21] <Aleksander> the best candidate to do that would be rtorrent, right?
[17:22] <swecide> you can add a link directly to the torrent/magnet link in rtorrent too
[17:24] <Aleksander> it's more about seeding something than downloading - for example right now I'm seeding 3 GB of my friend's wedding photos - fastest way to spread them around the country
[17:24] <swecide> you can set up rtorrent to look for .torrents in a certain folder
[17:25] <xarragon> Aleksander: You mean how I have some terabytes of.. "vacation movies" on my hdds? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge*
[17:25] <Aleksander> that's what I wanted :)
[17:25] <Aleksander> xarragon, nah, they're more... regular wedding photos
[17:25] <Aleksander> with all the uncles, aunties and grand-grandmothers. wouldn't want to see them in such movie.
[17:26] <sraue> grnis, is xbian not based on raspbian, and they dont recompile the whole system?
[17:26] <xarragon> Aleksander: Yeah I am just messing with you, and I am glad to see people using torrent tech for legal sharing.
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[17:26] <xarragon> Aleksander: And I was more hinting at copyright infringement rather than dirty movies.. but I guess both are good for a laugh.
[17:27] <Aleksander> xarragon, I got it ;) anyway, I'd really like people to start thinking of torrents more like a technology, not only piracy-specific protocol
[17:27] <Aleksander> was it France which proposed banning all P2P? xD
[17:27] <Aleksander> "People drive too fast, let's ban roads!"
[17:27] <Essobi> To be honest... piracy is the last thing I think of when I think of Torrent.
[17:27] <sraue> grnis, mongrelion i think the biggest difference with xbian is they overclock much more per default (which should be up to the user and not the distro)
[17:28] <xarragon> Not that ISPs and CDNs would mind, they'd love to go to a one-to-many instead of peer-to-peer
[17:28] <mongrelion> +xarragon> Aleksander: You mean how I have some terabytes of.. "vacation movies" on my hdds? *wink* *wink* *nudge* *nudge* <- *wink* *wink* // cc booyaa
[17:28] <booyaa> hahaah
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[17:28] <booyaa> you are all bad peoples
[17:28] <Essobi> xarragon: geographical block caching would make their peer-to-peer gripes go away.
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[17:29] <booyaa> Aleksander: i think france (well new govt) are thinking about ditching the 3 strikes
[17:29] <Aleksander> xarragon, I don't really get it, why would ISP want one2many instead of p2p? it's p2p which generates MOST of traffic = people want to buy higher bandwidthss
[17:30] <mongrelion> sraue: if I ain't wrong, raspbmc also overclocks the proc by default, and there's nothing wrong in it, in my opinion, because they want to give you a working version of xbmc, and I don't see that possible with the default cpu speed.
[17:31] <xarragon> Aleksander: Some of them wants to turn into the equivalent of an IP-based cable-TV supplier instead of a general carrier, at least if their networks are near full capacity. Gives more money per transferred byte.
[17:32] <Aleksander> wat.
[17:32] <Aleksander> who would go for it? oh sorry, I forgot most of people have no idea what that means
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[17:32] <xarragon> "Over the top services"
[17:33] <sraue> mongrelion, i think the user should overclock if he wants this. its easy and there are docs how to do this but the OS should not change the hardware out of any specs without asking the user or give them the control about this
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[17:34] <Ben-> how long can "performing an on line resizing of..." need?
[17:35] <Ben-> it's already running over 5 minutes now
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[17:36] <Generale_Russo> well, looks like the bitlbee works, but i'm using xchat and the public servers
[17:37] <mongrelion> sraue: ok.
[17:37] <booyaa> Generale_Russo: you get your other chat transports working?
[17:38] <booyaa> trying to get skype working, thought it'd be part of the bitlbee libpurple
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[17:38] <Generale_Russo> you mean if i can chat on MSN and others?
[17:38] <Generale_Russo> if you mean that yes.
[17:38] <Generale_Russo> but i couldn't make bitlbee starts at all because of the bitlbee.conf file
[17:39] <Generale_Russo> that the program couldn't read it
[17:39] <Aleksander> another question: can I connect external sound card to my RPi with usb and make it a sound server? or are there any hardware limitations?
[17:39] <Generale_Russo> it was there but the daemon didn't see that
[17:40] <Aleksander> because I heard I can control mpd with Android, so i'd use my smartphone as a pilot xD
[17:41] <mrdragons> Aleksander: I'm actually doing that now
[17:41] <mrdragons> I'm using the regular 3.5mm out though
[17:41] <Aleksander> mrdragons, with android and mpd, or the external sound card?
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[17:41] <mrdragons> android + mpd
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[17:41] <Aleksander> I am dreaming of my little audio center powered by rpi
[17:42] <mongrelion> with the coming of the raspberrypi, I noticed how bad one needs an external/network drive.
[17:42] <mrdragons> Aleksander: Go for it, it's not hard to set up
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[17:43] <Aleksander> mongrelion, and do you use the SDcard with RPI, or some external HDD?
[17:43] <mongrelion> I use the SDcard and a 16Gb usb flash drive.
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[17:44] <shapr> Aleksander: I tried to play music through some low-end speakers, but the sound driver seems to have srs problems
[17:44] <Aleksander> mongrelion, and what are the filesystems on them? what methods of network file sharing do you use?
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[17:45] <mongrelion> Aleksander: the SDcard comes with whatever format raspbian image sets to it and the 16gb pendrive is with ntfs
[17:45] <gordonDrogon> ok pitrak. keyboard. check. rotation sensor. check. motor control - working, distance measuing - needs calibrating.... getting there!
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[17:45] <mongrelion> gordonDrogon: nice! pics or it never happened.
[17:45] <shapr> gordonDrogon: yes! pix please!
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[17:46] <gordonDrogon> hang on ...
[17:46] <Aleksander> shapr, but you're talking about internal rpi sound card, aren't you?
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[17:46] <shapr> er, the audio jack?
[17:46] <Aleksander> and I'm talking about external one
[17:47] <shapr> Ah, is there some way to fix internal sound card so it does work?
[17:47] <marcusw> there's a kernel module, no?
[17:47] <Aleksander> I mean, like http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00jMmapiqPZBot/USB-Sound-Adapter-7-1-Channel.jpg
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[17:48] <mongrelion> Aleksander: and for sharing information I use rtorrent.
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pitrak2.jpg <-- the base in progress...
[17:48] <marcusw> oh, yeah...depends on whether there are drivers
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[17:48] <marcusw> if it works with debian on x86_64, I don't see why it wouldn't work on raspbian...
[17:48] <shapr> marcusw: Are you able to get non-stuttery sound out of your Pi?
[17:48] <mongrelion> lol, that looks like your kid's playground.
[17:48] <marcusw> shapr: yeah?
[17:49] <shapr> marcusw: Well, not all drivers work outside of x86
[17:49] <marcusw> omxplayer does it flawlessly
[17:49] <shapr> marcusw: Oh, I must be doing something wrong then.
[17:49] <marcusw> shapr: all right, will keep that in mind
[17:49] <marcusw> what are you doing?
[17:49] <shapr> I installed mpd and tried to play FLACs I copied to my SD card
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[17:50] <shapr> That was just a test, I have ~200gb of music on my desktop and I thought I could stream it to the Pi if it can play flac/ogg/mp3/etc effectively.
[17:50] <marcusw> oh, IDK about FLAC+mpd
[17:50] <marcusw> I run mpd on another computer and stream to the rpi
[17:50] <marcusw> streaming 32k LAME with omxplayer is like 10% CPU
[17:50] <shapr> Yah, I was going to stream from one mpd to another :-)
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[17:50] <marcusw> no reason to do that
[17:51] <shapr> Why so?
[17:51] <marcusw> just use (omx|m)player
[17:51] <marcusw> it's simpler, isn't it?
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[17:51] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pitrak3.jpg <-- ther's a Pi in there somewhere - Pi + protoboard + the keypad.
[17:51] <shapr> I've heard of omxplayer, don't know what it is.
[17:51] <Essobi> command line gpu accelerated media player
[17:51] <marcusw> it's the default player in rpi
[17:51] <Essobi> for pi
[17:51] <marcusw> or something
[17:51] <shapr> oh neat, I'll look it up.
[17:51] <marcusw> just omxplayer <streamurl>
[17:51] <Essobi> (what I said)
[17:51] <shapr> gordonDrogon: That's really cool!
[17:51] <marcusw> it does http lame streams flawlessly
[17:52] <shapr> Essobi: thanks :-)
[17:52] <shapr> Does omxplayer handle FLACs?
[17:52] <marcusw> but you can't set buffer size (at least I haven't figured out how to)
[17:52] <Essobi> No idea what formats.. you can check their homepage.
[17:52] <marcusw> shapr: it should, I think...haven't tried it
[17:52] * shapr looks at the github repo
[17:52] <mrdragons> Can you use {omx,m}player as a streaming server?
[17:52] <Essobi> don't stop, git it, git it.
[17:52] <marcusw> gordonDrogon: that's fricking awesome
[17:52] <marcusw> gordonDrogon: what does it do?
[17:52] <shapr> gordonDrogon: What's that cool looking numpad?
[17:53] <shapr> Looks like a hex entry numpad, or US military dialpad
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[17:53] <gordonDrogon> it's a cool looking numpad :)
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> it's something I made 25 years ago for another project.
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> just recycling it now.
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[17:54] <gordonDrogon> the protoboard has on it, a regulator to feed 5V into the Pi, a 2-channel motor driver, stuff to handle the IR LED + detrctor so I can count pulses from the motor and the keypad interface.
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[17:55] <Aleksander> I just came with an idea, I'm gonna create a Mad Scientist Background Kit for Raspberry Pi: let's mount a microphone and make it play thunder sounds every time it hears maniacal laughter
[17:55] <shapr> haha
[17:55] <shapr> That would be great :-)
[17:55] <Aleksander> and maybe blink the lights in the room, too
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[17:59] <Hodapp> Aleksander: maybe try the other way. Let it alert you when it's about to make thunder and flicker the lights, and then you have your cue to start laughing maniacally.
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[18:00] <Aleksander> Hodapp, that would be way easier, right
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[18:02] <Hodapp> yes, yes it would.
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[18:16] <zhvtar> woot! got my rpi yesterday! installed raspbian on it. Loving it so far.
[18:17] <mongrelion> zhvtar: what distro did you choose?
[18:17] <zhvtar> Raspbian.
[18:17] <thrawed> zhvtar: official?
[18:18] <thrawed> I prefer pisces over official raspbian for some reason.
[18:18] <Essobi> Ya?
[18:18] <zhvtar> mongrelion & thrawed: http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads, first one on the list.
[18:18] <Essobi> I'm running darkbasic.
[18:19] <thrawed> Essobi: have you tried than xbian one?
[18:19] <Essobi> ARMHF OR DIE!
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[18:19] <Essobi> thrawed: nosir
[18:19] <thrawed> Essobi: I haven't tried it myself, but I've heard it's better than openelec/raspbmc
[18:19] <mongrelion> I'd like xbian to make a little tweaks so that for example it doesn't start xbmc on startup and also it shouldn't die after a while when connected via ssh :/
[18:20] <Essobi> heh
[18:20] <thrawed> mongrelion: if you don't want xbmc on it wouldn't plain raspbian be better for you?
[18:20] <zhvtar> Next up is the Arch one, then xbian, then openelec, then RISCOS.
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[18:22] <mongrelion> thrawed: but I want xbian performance as well.
[18:23] <thrawed> mongrelion: as far as I know, xbian is raspbian + xbmc, what else does it do?
[18:23] <mongrelion> you're wrong, mate. What you describe is raspbmc.
[18:23] <mongrelion> xbian has some tweaks that make it perform faster than raspbian + xbmc/raspbmc
[18:24] <thrawed> raspbmc uses raspbian as a base now? last time I checked raspbmc was debian + xbmc
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[18:24] <zhvtar> has anyone tried the tweaked RISCOS on the rpi?
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[18:24] <jsafarik> good evening
[18:24] <zhvtar> just got owncloud up on raspbian. playtime!
[18:24] <mongrelion> thrawed: 10:11 <+grnis> mongrelion: Xbian compiles the the system with flags for the platform, instead of generic old arm cpu.
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[18:25] <thrawed> mongrelion: what sort of flags?
[18:25] <nid0> raspbmc is now based on raspbian yes. both raspbmc and xbian are basically raspbian and xbmc, just with tweaks
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[18:26] <mongrelion> thrawed: I don't nkow.
[18:26] <mongrelion> konw *
[18:26] <jsafarik> got model b running raspbian 3.1.9+ #168 PREEMPT
[18:27] <thrawed> mongrelion: Do you reckon he was referring to raspbian's hardfp or is it something else?
[18:27] <thrawed> jsafarik: there is only model b
[18:27] <jsafarik> great
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[18:28] <jsafarik> just have some troubles with setup software raid 1 with two identical 750GB USB drives
[18:28] <jsafarik> connected to pi via self powered usb hub (4 port belkin)
[18:28] <nid0> software raid over usb on a pi is just *asking* for trouble
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[18:29] <thrawed> jsafarik: If you're planning on turning your pi into a NAS, to be honest it would be better to just buy one.
[18:29] <mongrelion> thrawed: I think he's talking about the hfp but I feel like there must be something else they're doing, because I get faster performance from my rpi when using xbian, even though xbmc is running/idle.
[18:29] <jsafarik> everything goes right until syncing /dev/md0
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[18:30] <jsafarik> thrawed: I don't need NAS, I'm just trying what Pi could do
[18:31] <jsafarik> after ~5 minutes of syncing /dev/md0, the disc i/o stops and restart after some time
[18:31] <jsafarik> and finally hangs forever
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> jsafarik, you're used up all the USB goodness by that point ... Need to pour in some more.
[18:32] <jsafarik> I'm getting some messages via dmesg
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[18:32] <thrawed> you can buy usb goodness in 750ml bottles from your local hardware store
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> and you can use up the USB goodness faster by FTPing over the Ethernet at the same time...
[18:32] <thrawed> ??20 of usb goodness will last you a couple of months
[18:33] <jsafarik> .. usb 1-1.3.4: reset high speed USB device number 16 using dwc_otg
[18:33] <thrawed> yeah you'd be better off trying this out on a device which doesn't share the same usb2 bus with the ethernet
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[18:34] <gordonDrogon> jsafarik, basically, the USB driver isn't quite there yet... it's good enough for simple tasks, but throw something heavy duty at it and it'll fall over.
[18:34] <nid0> raid over usb is always going to suck, trying it on a device like the pi with its weak shared usb bus is never gonna be reliable, even if you do get it working
[18:35] <jsafarik> ok, I will live with that
[18:35] <mongrelion> what's a "suggested" arm_freq overclocking value?
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> 700
[18:35] <nid0> 800 is a good starting point
[18:35] <thrawed> the sheevaplug has esata
[18:35] <mikma> 701
[18:36] <thrawed> mongrelion: 2000
[18:36] <IT_Sean> 659
[18:36] <gordonDrogon> mongrelion, AIUI you're unlikely to damage by overclocking alone, so just try anything from 700 up. I have 3 Pi's running at 900.
[18:36] <IT_Sean> You CANNOT damage the hardware just by Overclocking. However, to overclock beyond a certain point, you need to overVOLT. And overvolting CAN damage hardware.
[18:37] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: any of them overvolted?
[18:37] <mongrelion> gordonDrogon: good to know.
[18:37] <mongrelion> thrawed: :/
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, no.
[18:37] <thrawed> eben overvolts
[18:37] <mongrelion> nid0: thanks.
[18:37] <mongrelion> IT_Sean: good to know.
[18:37] * IT_Sean overvolts gordonDrogon
[18:37] <gordonDrogon> Bzzzzzzzzzzt!
[18:37] <mongrelion> also, if I overclock the cpu, should I also overclock the gpu?
[18:38] <gordonDrogon> if you like...
[18:38] * mongrelion pikes gordonDrogon with a large stick
[18:38] <mongrelion> pokes *
[18:38] <thrawed> overclock the mmc
[18:38] <mikma> :)
[18:38] * mongrelion overclocks _ALL_ the things
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[18:38] <otfrom> anyone here at the Eben Upton talk?
[18:39] <loadbang> with pisces is networking disabled by default?
[18:39] <thrawed> mongrelion: have you seen this? http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Tested_values
[18:39] <mongrelion> thrawed: yes, I'm looking at it.
[18:39] <thrawed> otfrom: he has no hair
[18:41] <mru> yes, he lost it trying to get specs from bcm
[18:41] <thrawed> mru: specs? he wrote the specs!
[18:42] <thrawed> he was on the design team for the pi's SoC iirc
[18:42] <mongrelion> thrawed: however, that table doesn't say, nor the guides, what's the gpu's default freq. Do you know what it is?
[18:42] <thrawed> or at least the gpu part
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[18:42] <mongrelion> oh, it seems like it is 250Mhz <?>
[18:42] <mru> if that is true it explains a thing or two
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[18:43] <criten> Good afternoon all!
[18:43] <thrawed> mongrelion: scroll up a tad, 250, 250, 250
[18:43] <thrawed> and 250
[18:44] <Butcho> mongrelion: thanks for the pro tip on xbian
[18:44] <mongrelion> no problem. are you runnning it now?
[18:44] <mongrelion> criten: hey.
[18:44] <Butcho> yeah its gorgeous and CEC with my sammy TV works awesome
[18:44] <loadbang> ifconfig en0 up just says "no such device"
[18:45] <Butcho> having a little trouble with networking yet
[18:45] <thrawed> loadbang: ifconfig eth0
[18:45] <loadbang> same with eth0
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[18:45] <loadbang> :-/
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[18:46] <thrawed> loadbang: so ifconfig without any arguments just shows lo?
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[18:47] <Kryczek> Hi! Can somebody please tell me how to upgrade the RPi firmware and/or API so that libCEC can compile? Presently config.log says VC_CECSERVICE_VER is undefined in interface/vmcs_host/vc_cecservice.h and interface/vchiq_arm/vchiq_if.h
[18:47] <thrawed> Kryczek: you'll need to obtain rpi-update
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> /sbin/
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> ifconfig -a
[18:48] <Kryczek> thrawed: I thought there was no need anymore for rpi-update; isn't that handled by apt-get upgrade now? :)
[18:48] <thrawed> Kryczek: Oh is it? I'm a bit behind the times.
[18:48] <Kryczek> in Raspbian I should point out, sorry
[18:48] <loadbang> gordonDrogon: eth6 it is listed as
[18:49] <thrawed> why does your pi have 7 ethernet devices?
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> udev )-:
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> it will create aliases willy nilly when it thinks the network has changed.
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[18:50] <Kryczek> thrawed: nevermind, according to that less-than-a-week-old thread rpi-update is still relevant: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=14074
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> if there is a *network* file in /etc/udev/rules.d then delete it.
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> and reboot.
[18:50] <[SLB]> hm i never do apt-get upgrade, only update, am i missing something?
[18:50] <thrawed> [SLB]: Yeeeeeees
[18:50] <[SLB]> ah like what
[18:51] <chithead> apt-get update will update the list of packages
[18:51] <criten> One updates the reposotory list... one will upgrade the packages
[18:51] <thrawed> [SLB]: update, refreshes your list, update actually updates
[18:51] <thrawed> I mean upgrade actually upgrades
[18:51] <IT_Sean> Nothing worse than an out of date package.
[18:51] <IT_Sean> <.<
[18:51] <IT_Sean> >.>
[18:51] <criten> >.>
[18:51] <Kryczek> I do update and dist-upgrade :)
[18:52] <[SLB]> time to read some man pages
[18:52] <[SLB]> i thought update, beside updating the list of packages, also would install them, which i indeed notice the download of packages and install of them
[18:52] * IT_Sean slaps [SLB] with some man pages
[18:52] <[SLB]> ouch :3
[18:53] <thrawed> yeah dist-upgrade would be better if you're not fussed about installing new stuff
[18:54] <[SLB]> thanks reading :)
[18:54] * [SLB] is a yum disciple, lol
[18:54] <loadbang> gordonDrogon: rebooting
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[18:56] <[SLB]> does upgrade ask for confirmation?
[18:57] <thrawed> yup
[18:57] <[SLB]> okies thanks
[18:57] <thrawed> well, if there's a lot of stuff it does
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[18:58] <Ben-> is there some data about the measurements of the rpi? I'd like to build a case for the rpi and need exact measurements
[18:58] <thrawed> Ben-: try the faq
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[18:59] <Ben-> nope
[18:59] <nid0> whats wrong with the faq
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[19:00] <thrawed> Ben-: Try again, I can see it just fine.
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[19:01] <Ben-> yeah cool
[19:01] <Ben-> dimensions
[19:01] <[SLB]> 50 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:01] <[SLB]> Need to get 43.4 MB of archives.
[19:01] <[SLB]> :3
[19:01] <[SLB]> thanks guys
[19:01] <Ben-> I don't want to build a box where I put the rpi for transportation
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[19:01] <Ben-> I want to build a case, which also fits all connectors, etc.
[19:02] <Ben-> so I need the dimensions and position of the connectors too
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[19:03] <nid0> your best bet if you dont have a pi of your own is to download the punnett printable case and work off its measurements, or look at the measurements for the million and one 3d printable cases up on thingverse etc
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[19:03] <thrawed> did that punnet guy update it, because the first one was way off and some had to provide a corrected version
[19:03] <loadbang> gordonDrogon: Rebooted. Now listed as eth0, but won't obtain an IP, tried a manual IP by editing /etc/network/interfaced but won't show an IP in ifconfig
[19:04] <loadbang> interfaces*
[19:04] <thrawed> loadbang: dhcp turned on in your router?
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> loadbang, ifdown -a ; ifup -a
[19:04] <chithead> I don't think any existing case allows access to all connectors. most don't have spare for the csi/dsi
[19:05] <loadbang> thrawed: I have a RPi with no programmed serial number, revision number so doesn't have a fixed MAC so dhcp I do not use on my RPi.
[19:06] <thrawed> none of the pis have fixed ethernet macs
[19:07] <loadbang> and as ethernet and USB is so unstable I end up getting hundreds of IP addresses reserved on my router and I end up having none left for other devices.
[19:07] <loadbang> I have to let all the leases go.
[19:07] <thrawed> wow, that is strange
[19:07] <bertrik> aah, I think I saw something like that too
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[19:08] <bertrik> with ethernet addresses containing the ascii characters 'R' 'A' and 'S'
[19:08] <bertrik> I thought it was just my dhcp server acting up
[19:08] <thrawed> maybe it's sentient
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[19:09] <thrawed> bertrik: it could be slowly spelling out a message
[19:09] <[SLB]> during the upgrade process, it happens that some config files may be replaced. how do you proceed? default answer?
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[19:09] <[SLB]> default is don't update
[19:09] <[SLB]> hm
[19:10] <thrawed> [SLB]: does it matter if you lose your settings?
[19:10] <[SLB]> in this case for now, first file it's asking me for, i haven't touched it at all, so i guess it's better to have it updated, no?
[19:11] <loadbang> gordonDrogon: still no luck
[19:11] <thrawed> dunno
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> just set it statically then.
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[19:22] <Ahmagahz> hi peeples. What is the minimum SD-card i can run off? The 8-gig I ordered hasn't turned up and I really need to like get to it
[19:22] <thrawed> 2gb
[19:22] <thrawed> 4gb if you want to actually install anything
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[19:23] <mru> it's easy enough to fit a minimal system in, say, 128MB
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[19:25] <SpeedEvil> 16M should be quite adequate, for a boot to USB system.
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[19:25] <SpeedEvil> Just nobodies done an image.
[19:26] <loadbang> gordonDrogon: done "ifconfig eth0 netmask" and "route add -net default gw dev eth0" and still won't ping google.com
[19:26] <mrdragons> Hmm, I might mess around with making a tiny bare-bones image
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> loadbang, at this point I'm going to ask stuff like "is it plugged in", and so on ...
[19:27] <shayla> have anyone compiled a kind of list of awesome raspi projects one look at when inspiration is lacking?
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> loadbang, try sudo mii-tool eth0
[19:27] <Butcho> loadbang
[19:27] <thrawed> shayla: forums
[19:27] <loadbang> I think I might ref lash the SD card.
[19:27] <Butcho> whats your ifconfig eth0
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-HD flow-control, link ok
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> is what mii-tool should say.
[19:28] <loadbang> that's what it says
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> which is patently wrong.
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> however.
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> can you pin ?
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> ping
[19:28] <shayla> thrawed: is the offical forums best?
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[19:29] <loadbang> yes, 41% packet loss after 10 pings, average 4830ms.
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> that suggests something wrong with you router, the cable or the Pi ...
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> you diagnose the cable & router by plugging it into a laptop...
[19:30] <loadbang> plug the cable in to my Mac: round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 1.051/2.382/3.778/1.089 ms
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[19:32] <Ahmagahz> i need another two gig to install anything?
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> loadbang, well tha'ts fine, so maybe the Pi is duff...
[19:32] <Ahmagahz> i just wanna boot-er-up :)
[19:33] <thrawed> shayla: definitely
[19:33] <shayla> thanks!
[19:33] <loadbang> gordonDrogon: it's fine in other OSes, just raspbian pisces
[19:33] <thrawed> loadbang: has something chewed through your cable?
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> loadbang, ok - you never said that - have you managed an rpi-update?
[19:34] <loadbang> gordonDrogon: no as I haven't managed to get it on my network
[19:34] <loadbang> ;)
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[19:34] <thrawed> you could always copy the firmware over the old-fashioned way
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> loadbang, you just need the stuff in /boot to start with - if you can copy that from another distro which has been upgraded, then it might help.
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[19:35] <daniel__2> how difficult is it to get xbmc running on raspbian wheezy (provided by the rpi foundation)?
[19:35] <daniel__2> are there any steps on doing this? i've seen there are precompiled images etc
[19:36] <thrawed> daniel__2: it'd be much easier if you went with something that has xbmc pre-loaded like xbian (which is raspbian underneath)
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[19:36] <thrawed> but I believe there is a tutorial thread for xbmc in the raspbian section on the forums
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[19:37] <daniel__2> thrawed: i already tried raspxbmc or whatever its called, it works well
[19:37] <daniel__2> but it boots straight into the xbmc interface, is there any way of dropping to a terminal and booting other environments?
[19:37] <daniel__2> i would like a multi-purpose environment
[19:37] <thrawed> something like ctrl + alt + f1
[19:37] <daniel__2> yeah
[19:38] <daniel__2> i'd rather boot to another OS
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[19:38] <thrawed> another OS?
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[19:39] <daniel__2> i suppose XBMC is not an OS, it runs on raspbian?
[19:39] <thrawed> daniel__2: maybe this will aid you, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=12455
[19:39] <daniel__2> thanks
[19:40] <marcusw> tl;dr get openelec if you want xbmc
[19:40] <thrawed> or http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=10304 if you'd rather build it yourself
[19:40] <thrawed> marcusw: xbian or raspbmc would be better for him as he wants to keep raspbian
[19:41] <daniel__2> i want to keep raspbian for the simple reason that its most likely to support most things
[19:41] <sraue> thrawed, then he should use raspbian if he wants raspbian
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[19:41] <thrawed> sraue: xbian and raspbmc both have a raspbian backend.
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[19:42] <marcusw> just get a different sd card for xbmc
[19:42] <marcusw> much simpler
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[19:42] <sraue> a messed up raspbian.... much stuff installed beyond the package manager...
[19:42] <thrawed> but that would involve getting off the sofa
[19:43] <daniel__2> lol
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[19:43] <daniel__2> yeah, different image for xbmc is probably not a bad idea
[19:43] <daniel__2> i need a new pi as well, so i dont ever have to unplug it
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[19:44] <thrawed> I'd say get an ouya for your telly instead of another pi
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[19:45] <daniel__2> are they even available yet?
[19:45] <thrawed> nope
[19:45] <daniel__2> and do they run anything you want (not only android)?
[19:45] <daniel__2> they do run android dont they?
[19:45] <thrawed> they'll be an xmbc android app for it
[19:45] <thrawed> yeah
[19:46] <daniel__2> probably more expensive than a pi as well
[19:46] <thrawed> Twice the price, but twice the value
[19:46] <nid0> there's no "probably" about it
[19:46] <thrawed> it'll become a new gaming platform
[19:47] <thrawed> It'll launch with one of the final fantasys
[19:47] <thrawed> And it has onlive support
[19:47] <daniel__2> yeah, im not much of a gamer
[19:47] <thrawed> Plus, all of these play store games/apps
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> Games? Need a joystick for that: http://unicorn.drogon.net/adafruit.jpg
[19:48] <nid0> its also not available for another 8 months at *least*
[19:48] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: your hdmi cable has a hinge?!!
[19:48] <nid0> lets not forget that minor detail.
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, it appears to, yes.
[19:48] <thrawed> that's pretty cool
[19:48] <thrawed> hdmi cables aren't that flexible
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> it was relatively expensive, but the only one the shop had when I needed one.
[19:48] <daniel__2> where can i get a hinged hdmi cable
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> go to your local euronics shop...
[19:49] <nid0> pretty much anywhere that sells hdmi cables
[19:49] <daniel__2> whats euronics?
[19:49] <nid0> they arent exactly rare
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[19:49] <gordonDrogon> it's a chain of white goods shops in the UK.
[19:49] <thrawed> how racist
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> ?
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[19:49] <thrawed> poor joke
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> I think small local shops can buy into the euronics thing, so it's not a total franchise...
[19:50] <daniel__2> i see
[19:50] <thrawed> I've never heard of them
[19:51] <thrawed> are they as big as maplins?
[19:51] <thrawed> these sorts of stores are going extinct
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[19:51] <thrawed> or is a regional thing
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[19:52] <thrawed> all the stores seem to be different when I go up north
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[19:52] <trevorman> maplin is crap. used to be decent many years ago but its useless now.
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[19:53] <Squirm> gordonDrogon: I kind of like your little case
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> Squirm, that's the adafruit one. I also have the skpang ones - although skpang are now making the adafruit ones under license in the UK
[19:54] <thrawed> Squirm: http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
[19:54] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: why does your pic have a tiny thumbnail in the corner?
[19:54] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: oh shit really?!
[19:55] <Squirm> my Pi might end up under a dashboard :P
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, because my camera exported it as a 2-frame TIF and I didn't realise that when I got GIMP to convert it to one image.
[19:55] <trevorman> huh weird
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, what?
[19:56] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: I didn't realise we had a source for those in the uk
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> only in the past day or 2.
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[19:56] <daniel__2> is it that easy to damage a rpi with static and the like?
[19:56] <thrawed> they should sell one with the led screen attached
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/acrylic-case-for-raspberry-pi-designed-by-adafruit-p-1118.html
[19:56] <daniel__2> doesnt appear to be
[19:57] <trevorman> daniel__2: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004TGPA7O or just buy a http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0025XB1TY
[19:57] <SRCR> I'm not getting the memory split thing with arm224_start.elf how is the memory split ?
[19:58] <trevorman> SRCR: 224MB for the ARM core. 32MB for the GPU.
[19:58] <SRCR> Aah ok, So mine is a server now, so I should go wiht the 224 instead of the 128 :) ty
[19:58] <trevorman> there is a 240 as well
[19:58] <SRCR> even better
[19:59] <thrawed> turn off swap if it's enabled
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[20:04] <daniel__2> thanks trevor
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[20:12] <Ahmagahz> i need to get this working and hooked up to my little tellyscreen and eggbot by the weekend
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> oh, you have an eggbot? I saw those recently ...
[20:14] <Ahmagahz> yeah, its fun, i think the pi and it are going to be a fun show to take on the road
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> tried it on a raw egg yet?
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[20:18] <criten> Thinking about getting one of these... http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/2111
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[20:20] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit expensive for a regulator, but probably lower loss than what I'm usin right now!
[20:21] <criten> What are you using?
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> bog-standard 7805.
[20:22] <criten> Oh yea.. that's just a linear regulator right? non-switching?
[20:22] <criten> passive rather.
[20:23] <criten> And that's only up to like 1 amp... the one i linked is up to 7
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[20:23] <criten> Which i might need considering i'm driving servos
[20:23] <criten> and signaling numerous motor controlers
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[20:25] <PigFlu> is it supposed to take a minute+ to start the netsurf webbrowser?
[20:26] <criten> Is that the default one??
[20:26] <criten> Is so... no haha
[20:26] <criten> unless you are doing stuff in the background
[20:26] <PigFlu> no
[20:26] <PigFlu> i just booted up and opened netsurf
[20:26] <Le0n> arora also starts in 1 and a half min....
[20:26] <PigFlu> also, it cant find the host..
[20:27] <PigFlu> its supposed to have internet :(
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[20:27] <Le0n> giving 'more' RAM speeded up a bit loading time though
[20:28] <PigFlu> netsurf isnt responding now..
[20:28] <Le0n> checku Ur mem consumption
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[20:28] <Le0n> maybe swap is used
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[20:28] <criten> Anyone know where you can get the usb plug to power the Pi without the other end.. just the jack will work.
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[20:29] <PigFlu> Le0n: how do i check that? (sorry for being a noob)
[20:29] <Le0n> top / htop
[20:29] <PigFlu> ?
[20:29] <criten> type top in terminal
[20:30] <PigFlu> LXterminal?
[20:30] <Le0n> yes
[20:30] <Le0n> or if also not responding, just ssh to Ur RPi
[20:30] <PigFlu> alright
[20:30] <grayb> Does anyone know how likely the USB issues are to be resolvable in software? It's hard to recommend this as a device platform in the current state.
[20:31] <PigFlu> but any idea why it says i have no internet?
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[20:31] <Le0n> mac filter on Ur router?
[20:31] <PigFlu> the cable is plugged in, and i just checked with a laptop, there is internet
[20:31] <Le0n> sry if thats too obvious
[20:31] <PigFlu> no, no filters
[20:31] <criten> PigFlu: Does you Pi have an ip adress?
[20:31] <PigFlu> not sure
[20:31] <criten> type ifconfig in terminal
[20:32] <Le0n> type as root "ifconfig"
[20:32] <PigFlu> its just hanging.. jesus this is slow
[20:32] <mm0zct> i don't think you have to be root, it just might not be on your path
[20:32] <mm0zct> so /sbin/ifconfig should work
[20:32] <mm0zct> ah
[20:32] <criten> PigFlu: Restart the Pi and dont type start x
[20:32] <mm0zct> that problem
[20:32] <mm0zct> I have that problem with my Pi
[20:33] <mm0zct> beinging up LXDE efectively kills the ethernet device
[20:33] <loadbang> same here
[20:33] <mm0zct> what distributio are you using?
[20:33] <loadbang> :-/
[20:33] <mm0zct> and what keyboard/mouse?
[20:33] <mm0zct> it only happens with my logitech wireless keyboard and mouse
[20:33] <grayb> mm0zct: usually due to too many usb ports in use
[20:33] <mm0zct> it works fine with my Dell generic kbd+mouse
[20:34] <PigFlu> ok ifconfig showed up.. what i supposed to look for?
[20:34] <loadbang> grayb: I use VNC, loose connection when x loads.
[20:34] <PigFlu> cant see any IP on eth0
[20:34] <criten> So it doesnt have an ip? one sec..
[20:34] <SRCR> Suddenly makes sense why mu Pi connection sometimes freezes via the usb wifi connection :)
[20:34] <grayb> mm0zct: different usb devices use a different amount of "endpoints", see http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12097
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[20:35] <criten> PigFlu: under eth0 look for inet addr:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[20:35] <grayb> loadbang: what all do you have plugged in to usb?
[20:35] <PigFlu> criten: yea, i see that
[20:35] <criten> PigFlu: what's it have for an ip?
[20:36] <PigFlu> b8:27:eb:44:60:dd
[20:36] <criten> That's the HWaddr
[20:36] <loadbang> grayb: nothing. just network and power. when cpu is under load networking drops. A known problem.
[20:36] <PigFlu> right :/
[20:36] <PigFlu> there is no other addr
[20:36] <criten> Nothing next to inet addr?
[20:36] <PigFlu> uhm yes
[20:36] <PigFlu>
[20:36] <SRCR> :)
[20:36] <criten> is that under the lo adapter?
[20:36] <PigFlu> yes
[20:36] <ReggieUK> it'd better be
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[20:37] <criten> yea.. haha
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[20:37] <criten> uhhm os your LNK light lit up on your rpi?
[20:37] <criten> is*
[20:38] <criten> It's below the power LED
[20:38] <PigFlu> i can see a device called raspberrypi under "connected devices" on my router
[20:38] <PigFlu> :)
[20:38] <Le0n> then try 'dhcpcd eth0'
[20:38] <PigFlu> yea, LNK is green
[20:38] <loadbang> Right, I give up on pisces. It seems networking isn't working at all. USB has problems too, get the sticky keys on keyboard issue.
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[20:38] <loadbang> yes I have a powered hub
[20:38] <loadbang> and it is 5.05V on the rails
[20:39] <Jezzz> hey all, any drawback to using a microSD card with adapter?
[20:39] <criten> Jezzz: Should work fine..
[20:39] <PigFlu> dhcpcd command not found..
[20:39] <Jezzz> thx criten
[20:39] <loadbang> Jezzz: should be fine, just they are slow.
[20:39] <Le0n> did U type it as root?
[20:39] <PigFlu> no
[20:39] <Jezzz> loadbang: hmm, don't particulary want slow
[20:39] <Jezzz> guess I'll just run and get a proper one
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[20:40] <criten> Jezzz: You could always start with it if it's what you have
[20:40] <PigFlu> i just sudo, right?
[20:40] <criten> PigFlu: yes
[20:40] <loadbang> yes PigFlu
[20:40] <criten> sudo commandhere Runs the command as root
[20:40] <PigFlu> still command not found
[20:40] <Le0n> su
[20:40] <Le0n> type root pass
[20:41] <loadbang> sudo -s
[20:41] <Le0n> --> U are root all the time
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[20:41] <PigFlu> what is my root password :3
[20:41] <criten> Le0n: I don't even have that command.
[20:41] <criten> Under root.
[20:41] <loadbang> might now be set
[20:41] <loadbang> passwd root
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[20:42] <clever> criten: thats because the command is dhclient
[20:42] <loadbang> to make one
[20:42] <Jezzz> any particular speed card "too" fast?
[20:42] <Jezzz> ie. does it make sense to get a class 10 sd card?
[20:42] <Jezzz> or will the pi bottleneck somewhere else?
[20:42] <PigFlu> i may not view of modofy the password information for "root"
[20:42] <[SLB]> PigFlu, first do sudo su
[20:42] <[SLB]> then passwd to make one
[20:42] <criten> Jezzz: I haven't run any benchmarks.. but i have a class 10 card and it works fine haha I've had no problems
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[20:42] <clever> PigFlu: the command is dhclient and you dont have to touch the root password
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[20:42] <clever> [SLB]: its sudo -i, not sudo su
[20:43] <PigFlu> so.. dhclient eth0 ?
[20:43] <[SLB]> it also works
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[20:43] <clever> PigFlu: sudo dhclient eth0
[20:43] <clever> assuming the interface is up
[20:43] <loadbang> Jezzz: I ordered one of these today http://www.ebuyer.com/350691-transcend-16gb-secure-digital-high-capacity-card-ts16gsdhc10
[20:44] <x29a> PiBot: are you actually running on a rpi?
[20:44] <PigFlu> is this problem normal, or do ethernet connections usually just work?
[20:44] <criten> They usually just work.. but everyones setup is different
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[20:45] <PigFlu> its taken me 3 days now to just getting on the internet
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[20:45] <loadbang> Jezzz: http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#SD_card
[20:45] <PigFlu> to be fair, the 3 days have been spent modding an old router to work as a wireless bridge
[20:45] <Ahmagahz> oof, i am fecked then.
[20:45] <loadbang> Jezzz: use it as a buying guide. ;)
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[20:47] <PigFlu> still no internet it seems
[20:47] <PigFlu> :(
[20:47] <criten> PigFlu: type "ping" (or whatever the ip of your router is)
[20:48] <criten> step one is actually getting it on your network
[20:48] <Le0n> returning to clever's question, do U have Ur eth0 up?
[20:48] <criten> It is showing up for him.
[20:48] <criten> And he said his router is showing it as a connected device
[20:49] <Le0n> ah, sry, I missed that part :(
[20:49] <criten> But he said he can't find the innet addr under ifconfig... which is strange
[20:49] <criten> under eth0
[20:51] <criten> PigFlu: Your eth0 should be simular to this http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7DTfi8xh
[20:51] <nid0> whats in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:52] <PigFlu> criten: im missing that second line
[20:52] <clever> ok, the best i can do from bash is 1.3khz on gpio
[20:52] <criten> Oh.. check your /etc/network/interfaces file
[20:52] <PigFlu> other than that its the same
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[20:52] <clever> nowhere close to my goal, *tries c*
[20:53] <criten> tyle
[20:53] <mm0zct> you can get a few MHz with C
[20:53] <criten> type.. "cat /etc/network/interfaces"
[20:53] <clever> mm0zct: i need 68mhz
[20:53] <mm0zct> not going to happen
[20:53] <criten> should be like http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Ey57FPFu
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[20:54] <clever> mm0zct: what about kernel mode?
[20:54] <PigFlu> my keyboard is going nuts
[20:54] <mm0zct> i don't think you can change the value of the pin in under 5 cycles
[20:54] <clever> PigFlu: hit whatever key is repeating
[20:55] <PigFlu> the last key i type is repeating :(
[20:55] <clever> mm0zct: needs to change about every 11 cycles, ignoring duty cycle issues
[20:55] <mm0zct> 68MHz is 10 cycles per clock pulse yes
[20:55] <clever> PigFlu: hit that key again to stop it
[20:55] <PigFlu> ok, i pinged my router btw
[20:55] <PigFlu> that worked
[20:55] <criten> okay
[20:55] <mm0zct> are you sampling the pin or setting the value?
[20:55] <criten> so you're on the network...
[20:55] <PigFlu> the times are really high, thugh
[20:55] <clever> mm0zct: so thats just bearly within the 5 cycle limit you mentioned, 5 high 5 low
[20:55] <PigFlu> 1000ms+
[20:55] <criten> Did you mention you're going over a bridge?
[20:55] <clever> mm0zct: setting the value, trying to start with a 68.9mhz dotclock
[20:55] <PigFlu> yes
[20:56] <PigFlu> i think i mentioned that
[20:56] <mm0zct> clever: that's why i said i don't think you can do it in 5 cycles, ebcause i worked out 5 cycles was what you needed
[20:56] <criten> Is your other computer going through that too?
[20:56] <clever> ah
[20:56] <PigFlu> "destination host unreachable"
[20:56] <PigFlu> 18403ms ping
[20:56] <PigFlu> :/
[20:56] <criten> PigFlu: Is your other computor going through the bridge too?
[20:57] <PigFlu> nope
[20:57] <criten> Plug it into it and see if you have problems
[20:57] <clever> mm0zct: i'll try c to see what kind of freq i can get, then start on kernel
[20:57] <mm0zct> you can get as fast in C as in kernel
[20:57] <PigFlu> well, i might go offline then
[20:57] <criten> have you tested the bridge with another pc?
[20:57] <PigFlu> only this pc im using now
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[20:57] <mm0zct> the kernel is just C, the only thing you will avoid is interrupts
[20:58] <PigFlu> the bridge works fine
[20:58] <criten> Oh.
[20:58] <clever> mm0zct: can c get raw access to the io port though?, or must i go thru /sys/class/gpio?
[20:58] <criten> ok... try this
[20:58] <criten> PigFlu: ifconfig eth0 down
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[20:58] <PigFlu> oh wait
[20:58] <criten> then ifconfig eth0 up
[20:58] <mm0zct> C can get raw access through mmap of /dev/mem
[20:58] <PigFlu> i can ping google now all of a sudden
[20:58] <mm0zct> when you run as root
[20:58] <PigFlu> :DD
[20:58] <Hodapp> clever: Yes. I'm doing this in C for GPIO.
[20:58] <criten> Ah.
[20:58] <mm0zct> I use it to bitbang jtag at ~3MHz
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[20:58] <criten> Well something you did fixed it haha
[20:59] <criten> I'm guesing the dhclient eth0
[20:59] <clever> Hodapp: i'll check the examples on the wiki then after i try this simple c example
[20:59] <[SLB]> now don't touch it anymore! :D
[20:59] <Hodapp> clever: see the bcm2835 library
[20:59] <Hodapp> it removes a lot of boilerplate code
[20:59] <mm0zct> clever: I need to tidy up my source a bit but I can send you the relevant bits if you'd like
[20:59] <clever> Hodapp: but i'm still leaning towards kernel for the timer resolution
[20:59] <mm0zct> i keep planning to publish it but haven't found time
[20:59] <Hodapp> clever: how much resolution do you need?
[20:59] <Ahmagahz> can i ask a totally dumb question... whats gpio for? (yeah i could google, but .. )
[21:00] <clever> Hodapp: not sure yet, but i'm basicaly trying to drive a laptop lcd panel
[21:00] <mm0zct> Ahmagahz: whatever you want...
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[21:00] <[SLB]> Ahmagahz, general purpose input output
[21:00] <clever> Hodapp: need to change 4 pins at ~68.9mhz
[21:00] <PigFlu> midori isnt loading any pages, though.. :(
[21:00] <PigFlu> man this is weird
[21:00] <Ahmagahz> something something input output...
[21:00] <Hodapp> clever: yeah, unless it's a standard protocol already there, you'll need to venture into kernel land
[21:00] <Ahmagahz> oh lol, general purpose :D
[21:00] <mm0zct> Ahmagahz: it's the pins on the board, you can use to read digital input (on/off) or write digital output to
[21:00] <[SLB]> :3
[21:01] <Hodapp> Ahmagahz: for instance, I'm using GPIO to toggle 3-4 lines and generate SPI protocol data
[21:01] <clever> Hodapp: since c has raw io, i can probly do it all from c, ignoring the clock jitter
[21:01] <Ahmagahz> so in practice its "where you put the arduino" ?
[21:01] <Hodapp> clever: it has raw IO but the system will regularly go out to lunch for 100-200 usec
[21:01] <mm0zct> clever: I am very doubltful you'll get 68MHz, 34 is probably a best hope
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[21:02] <mm0zct> if you get into kernel mode you can disable interrupts
[21:02] <Hodapp> in user-land you're going to have trouble getting that fast
[21:02] <mm0zct> Hodapp: the problem isn't being fast in user mode, it's just being interrupted that's different
[21:03] <mm0zct> in between interrupts things should be the same
[21:03] <Hodapp> mm0zct: in user mode, being that fast could very well be the problem
[21:03] <clever> usermode has always had pre-emption, so it will just suck more then kernel
[21:03] <clever> much faster, need to adjust the timescale now
[21:03] <clever> its just solid on the scope
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[21:04] <clever> mm0zct: 0.154mhz with /sys/class/gpio
[21:04] <mm0zct> clever: what are you actually trying to talk to at 68MHz?
[21:04] <mm0zct> clever: I'm not surprised...
[21:04] <clever> open the device once, write(fd,"1",1);write(fd,"0",1);
[21:05] <mm0zct> you need to mmap the registers if you want good performance
[21:05] <clever> yeah, just getting a feel for how fast each method is
[21:05] <Hodapp> http://codeandlife.com/2012/07/03/benchmarking-raspberry-pi-gpio-speed/
[21:06] <Hodapp> he tops out at 21.9 MHz
[21:06] <clever> Hodapp: http://pastebin.com/bChwrYEn
[21:06] <clever> *reads your link*
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[21:06] <mikma> http://io9.com/5933002/futurama-art-brings-kif-morbo-and-lrrr-into-harsh-reality
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[21:06] <Hodapp> for a loop that is just while (1) { GPIO_SET = 1 << 4; GPIO_CLR = 1 << 4; }
[21:06] <mm0zct> I reccon you might bet a bit faster with an asm "clear, set, jump to clear" loop
[21:07] <mm0zct> or unrolled a few times to hide that branch cycle
[21:07] <mm0zct> which you can do from useland C fwiw
[21:08] <clever> i'll try http://elinux.org/FR:RPi_Low-level_peripherals#GPIO_Driving_Example_.28C.29 next
[21:08] <Hodapp> section C of my link is pretty much that
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[21:09] <mm0zct> same except i hve a GET macro too
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[21:10] <Hodapp> would be interesting to see how well ASM can do it though - particularly if you have to be doing this to 4 pins, not just 1
[21:10] <clever> Hodapp: from that link, it looks like python/c are the only choices if i wanted to userspace bit-bang an ir blaster
[21:10] <mm0zct> it's still 1 register though
[21:11] <Hodapp> yeah, true
[21:11] <mm0zct> you just make sure all the bits are set in advance
[21:11] <clever> python sits right at the target freq, at max cpu usage
[21:11] <Hodapp> clever: hrm? thought your target freq was 68 MHz
[21:11] <clever> was just thinking about another project
[21:12] <clever> pre-calculating the 68.9mhz data wont be simple, because the interface does not allow stopping
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[21:12] <mm0zct> what interface is it?
[21:12] <clever> the lcd panel has no framebuffer, and is scanning the lcd in sync with the data coming in
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[21:12] <mm0zct> ah
[21:12] <clever> mm0zct: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/download/LP154W01-TLD2.pdf
[21:12] <mm0zct> "I'm directly driving an LCD" would have done :p
[21:12] <Hodapp> hmm, I'd worry there about synchronization if you have the kernel butting in sometimes
[21:13] <clever> not directly, the driver chips handle the actual AC waveform for each pixel
[21:13] <clever> Hodapp: which is why i'm leaning towards kernel for the final poc
[21:13] <mm0zct> what does the panel do if the clock stops?
[21:14] <clever> mm0zct: i'm guessing the lcd will just go blank
[21:14] <mm0zct> i think you need an FPGA or dedicated controller for this imho
[21:14] <mm0zct> the Pi isn't fast enough
[21:15] <clever> mm0zct: my first idea was to use the DSI connector
[21:15] <clever> but thats routed directly to the video core
[21:15] <clever> because thats exactly what i should be using
[21:16] <mm0zct> yeah, that's the point of the dsi connector, but broadcom haven't released anything about using it yet
[21:16] <mm0zct> somewhat annoyingly
[21:17] <clever> also, the DSI connector is 1 data lane short
[21:17] <clever> it doesnt have enough differential pairs to drive this lcd
[21:17] <mm0zct> leave the bottom bit 0?
[21:17] <mm0zct> assuming it's one colour channel at a time
[21:18] <clever> i think its one color per data lane
[21:18] <clever> so i would be missing an entire color
[21:18] <clever> ive got 2 lcd's i could drive, and this pdf is missing the exact specs on what is in the LVDS
[21:19] <clever> i remember the other one having better details, but i think just reaching the dotclock should come first
[21:19] <clever> if i cant meet the dot clock, its imposible
[21:19] <mm0zct> you won't meat the dot clock _and_ be able to fetch whatever image you want to put on the screen hat's for sure
[21:20] <mm0zct> meet*
[21:20] <cornflake> https://images.4chan.org/b/src/1344971154361.jpg
[21:20] <cornflake> sfw
[21:20] <cornflake> want
[21:20] <clever> cornflake: :D
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[21:22] <jsafarik> good evening
[21:23] <criten> jsafarik: Good afternoon : ]
[21:23] <clever> mm0zct: uh oh, i'm nearing the limits of my scope, lol
[21:24] <clever> mm0zct: thats strange, 11mhz and my timescale knob is all the way to the max, into repetitive store
[21:24] <mm0zct> if you have specific code you want me to run and scope I can, we have a scope that toges >600MHz
[21:25] <clever> i'll try again with -O3
[21:26] <clever> i can see now, a 100mhz scope wont do
[21:26] <jsafarik> I'm looking for info what is needed to get a sd card bootable - without dd-ing image from web.
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[21:26] <jsafarik> eg. new sd card, formated as fat16 (or 32 ?)
[21:27] <criten> Hey guys i think my usb hub is sapping power from the Pi... is that possible? haha
[21:28] <mm0zct> criten: define "sapping power"
[21:28] <mm0zct> is it a powered hub?
[21:28] <criten> Yes
[21:28] <criten> As soon as i plug it in while streaming video the video goes crazy slow or stops
[21:28] <mm0zct> the usb system is probably generating a lot of interrupts
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[21:29] <mm0zct> look at dmesg
[21:29] <criten> Will do
[21:29] <mm0zct> the ethernet device you are streaming over is also on usb, so if you do something that upsets the usb subsystem it will upset the streaming video
[21:29] <clever> mm0zct: https://privatepaste.com/39050ebd69 which instructions are for setting the GPIO?, ive never looked at arm assembly before
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[21:30] <mm0zct> 8448: e5832000 str r2, [r3]
[21:30] <mm0zct> probably
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[21:31] <mm0zct> you're loking for str instructions, which write to memory, but you need them to write to the gpio address
[21:31] <mm0zct> are you wanting to write inline asm?
[21:31] <clever> mm0zct: so that stores the value pointed to by r3 (0 i think), then stores #16
[21:31] <clever> yeah
[21:31] <criten> mm0zct: Is it a problem if it sees only 4 ports out of 7 on the hub?
[21:31] <clever> mm0zct: i think i can pass the address in from a c variable
[21:32] <mm0zct> criten: probably, although you've reached the limits of my debugging in this respect, try another hub
[21:32] <mm0zct> clever: yes you can
[21:32] <mm0zct> 2 secs
[21:32] <criten> mm0zct: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=z4LuCWr6
[21:32] <criten> Ah, okay.
[21:32] <cornflake> http://www.netgear.com/landing/wnce2001.aspx
[21:32] <chithead> a 7 port usb hub consists of two cascaded 4 port hubs
[21:32] <clever> mm0zct: asm ("code"::"r2"(GPIO_SET):); is my best guess
[21:32] <criten> chithead: Is that a problem with the Pi?
[21:32] <mm0zct> clever: -> pm
[21:33] <chithead> something is wrong with the pi, its usb controller or your kernel
[21:33] <chithead> try another distro and/or another power supply
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[21:34] <criten> chithead: What makes you thin something is wrong? It all workes fine without the hub
[21:34] <chithead> if it sees only 4 ports that means one of the cascaded hubs is not working properly
[21:35] <criten> chithead: On the hub itself? or on the pi?
[21:35] <chithead> this could be due to the usb host controller not recognizing it or something else
[21:35] <Essobi> So... is using a USB thumbdrive for swap a bad idea?
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[21:36] <loadbang> will there be a new RPi for schools? Fix the power issues.
[21:36] <criten> chithead: Actually I think it might be working correctly it detects 8 new ports when i plug in the hub.. but in two different lines in dmesg
[21:36] <criten> I just missed the first one
[21:37] <criten> chithead: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=z4LuCWr6
[21:37] <chithead> ah ok, then both hubs are detected correctly
[21:38] <criten> chithead: When i plug my webcam into my hub my 5v drops... shouldn't it not do that if it's a powred hub
[21:39] <chithead> what is the rating of your psu?
[21:39] <chithead> you hub's psu I mean
[21:39] <criten> chithead: atleast my 5v rail on the gpio because my serial controller looses power
[21:39] <criten> chithead: 3.5A
[21:39] <chithead> so it is fully powered. strange
[21:40] <criten> chithead: .....
[21:40] <criten> chithead: I might kill myself hahahaa
[21:40] <criten> chithead: I forgot i unplugged the hub last night
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[21:47] <criten> ls
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[21:48] <thrawed> criten: wrong window :P
[21:49] <criten> thrawed: Yea... I do that to often...
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[21:49] <criten> Both are SSH windows so they somewhat look the same.
[21:50] <chithead> at least not as bad as the sudo or /msg NickServ identify ... messages that you see occasionally
[21:50] <criten> Hahaha i have yet to see one
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[21:50] <thrawed> msg NickServ identify hunter2
[21:50] <thrawed> oops
[21:50] <criten> : P
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[21:50] <criten> Don't worry.. all we can see is ******
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[21:51] <thrawed> oh really? so when I say hunter2ing hunter2. All you see are stars?
[21:52] <criten> *******ing ******* is all i see!
[21:52] <thrawed> cool
[21:52] <SRCR> stop clutering my screen with all these starts
[21:52] <thrawed> there's no starts here sir
[21:53] <SRCR> :/
[21:53] <x29a> is that the auto-password function?
[21:53] <criten> haha.
[21:53] <x29a> i can paste my password in here and you will see stars?
[21:53] <criten> Yup
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[21:54] <criten> Alright... so my robot server is done.. multiclient and all! and my client is an html5 webpage hosted on the Pi... my 2-axis servo mount works perfectly : ]
[21:55] <thrawed> link to the webpage?
[21:55] <criten> I just need to wire it all up and make the client page pretty...
[21:55] <thrawed> what makes it html5?
[21:55] <criten> thrawed: one sec... let me add the video stream to it
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[21:56] <criten> thrawed: i'm going to do some canvas work for displaying cool controls : P
[21:56] <thrawed> maybe a mobile version too
[21:56] <criten> YEa
[21:56] <criten> that's the plan
[21:56] <criten> because the video stream works over mobil already
[21:56] <criten> mobile*
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[22:01] <Zeph88> Hello - I seem to be having excessive issues trying to increase the disksize of my pi install. I have a 64gb card, but it keeps saying out of room, that it only has like 50mb to begin with?
[22:01] <criten> Zeph88: under rasbian?
[22:01] <Zeph88> Ah, yes sorry
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[22:02] <ccssnet> e2fsck -fc /dev/the-disk-partition
[22:02] <criten> Did you run the initial disksize resizer thing when you first booted?
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[22:02] <Zeph88> I didn't sadly... can I get back to that spot?
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[22:03] <criten> Yea... but i haven't had to do it...
[22:03] <friggle> Zeph88: sudo raspi-config
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> Hehe.. I have a Pi booting into BASIC in 6 seconds flat :)
[22:03] <loadbang> does the RPi's composite video only do black and white?
[22:03] <Zeph88> Awesome, thank you!
[22:04] <markllama> gordonDrogon: what in the world would you want *that* for? ;-)
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[22:04] <criten> gordonDrogon: Awesome : ] Didn't you have that working a few days ago? I atlreast heard of you talking about it
[22:04] <criten> markllama: Fast bootup : ]
[22:04] <loadbang> gordonDrogon: I had it less than a second today in to BASIC
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> yea, I did it a while back, just checking that it was still working for tomoros raspberryjam in Penzance.
[22:05] <criten> Sweet : ]
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> loadbang, yea - my Apple II boots into Basic in under a sconds too - such is progress!
[22:05] <loadbang> gordonDrogon: http://www.audioguy.co.uk/6994
[22:05] <Essobi> loadbang: color.
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> yea, but to get to basic from riscos needs farting about with a mouse :)
[22:06] <loadbang> RISCOS to boot in to command prompt
[22:06] <loadbang> and the mouse doesn't really work at the moment
[22:06] <AC`97> anyone put heatsinks on their RPi?
[22:07] <Essobi> AC`97: plenty
[22:07] <criten> They have kits for it..
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Pi2 is still going and it's running of batteries - 4 year olf batteries IIRC - that's good...
[22:07] <criten> (the heatsinks)
[22:07] <AC`97> O.o kits?
[22:07] <AC`97> i made my own
[22:07] <criten> AC`97: https://tindie.com/ellisgl/raspberry-pi-copper-heat-sink-kit/
[22:08] <daniel__2> im having trouble configuring wireless. I have RTL8188CUS and i tried following these steps: http://www.raspberrypi-tutorials.co.uk/set-raspberry-pi-wireless-network/
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> AC`97, I have a Pi burried under a board making some heat itself here: http://unicorn.drogon.net/pitrak3.jpg so the answer is what on earth would I want with heatsinks?
[22:08] <AC`97> gah, i should've used copper too
[22:08] <daniel__2> when i try and restart networking i get device wlan0 not found
[22:08] <criten> Yea.. you don't need heatsinks it's build to run without them
[22:08] <loadbang> lol at one for the regulator
[22:08] <Essobi> AC`97: aluminum
[22:08] <Essobi> AC`97: http://bit.ly/R0J1tz
[22:08] <AC`97> i'm planning to have mine in a sealed box
[22:09] <loadbang> AC`97: Like a phone.
[22:09] <Essobi> AC`97: ... sealed? You'll get no better then ambient air temps.
[22:09] <thrawed> daniel__2: is your etc/network/interfaces set to bring up wlan0 automatically?
[22:09] <daniel__2> yeah thrawed
[22:09] <AC`97> phones have heatsinks on their processors
[22:09] <AC`97> or at least, mine do
[22:09] <daniel__2> i followed the link that i mentioned
[22:09] <clever> AC`97: thats something thats weird in my eeepc laptop
[22:09] <clever> AC`97: the 'heatsink' on the cpu is the keyboard tray
[22:10] <clever> the fan, is on the wrong side of the motherboard!
[22:10] <AC`97> same here
[22:10] <thrawed> AC`97: Phones also have to make sure they don't get too hot because lithium ion batteries tend to explode
[22:10] <clever> its got a whole layer of fiberglass in the way
[22:10] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cRlxWsZo9gmqi-qp2PX0AvDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink will it short? XD
[22:10] <AC`97> i haven't plugged it in yet . . .
[22:11] <loadbang> lol
[22:11] <clever> AC`97: damn, lol
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[22:11] <AC`97> i've got aluminum splinters all over my hands >.>
[22:11] <thrawed> don't rub your eyes or penis
[22:11] <AC`97> ...
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pitrak4.jpg
[22:12] <AC`97> does arctic silver conduct electricity?
[22:12] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: jesus christ, don't give them mobility
[22:12] <clever> thrawed: as long as it cant sign for parcel pickup, he is fine
[22:12] <AC`97> i'm thinking of packing a crapload of arctic silver under the heatsink
[22:13] <thrawed> the only thing stopping the AI from chopping us into bits is their inability to chase us
[22:13] <clever> the new pi's wont get past the door
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[22:13] <loadbang> AC`97: yes it does
[22:13] <virunga> when the new rpi's gonna out?
[22:13] <AC`97> :|
[22:14] <AC`97> $$$ thermal pads it is then
[22:14] <thrawed> virunga: thursday
[22:14] <virunga> thrawed: you are kidding me
[22:14] <virunga> :D
[22:14] <thrawed> virunga: I would never, sir.
[22:14] <virunga> really!?!?!?
[22:14] <virunga> wow
[22:15] <loadbang> quad core 1.4GHz
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[22:15] <virunga> :(
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[22:15] <clever> ouch, i got salt in my eye!
[22:16] <virunga> i believed
[22:16] <gordonDrogon> Hm. there's an intersting failure mode. The +5v is now down to 4.7v on the Pi and the Pi is still running, but the Ethernet has dropped out.
[22:16] <loadbang> two 500mA USB sockets
[22:16] <loadbang> dedicated network chipset
[22:17] <thrawed> loadbang: 16gb of ram
[22:17] <clever> if LAN_RUN (a gpio pin) is de-activated, will the usb hub also shutdown?
[22:17] <clever> or only the ethernet core?
[22:17] <criten> gordonDrogon: can't the cpu itself run off of 3.3v?
[22:17] <clever> criten: the 3v3 rail comes thru a 3v3 regulator, which has a large dropout voltage
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> criten, yes, it was still running as it was controlling the motors & responding to the keypad, but the Ethernet had dropped out.
[22:18] <loadbang> my Pi has dropped off the network now
[22:18] <clever> the '5v' rail must say a decent ways above 3v3, or the 3v3 will suffer
[22:18] <loadbang> humm
[22:18] <loadbang> run upstair to reboot
[22:18] <criten> gordonDrogon: probably because the ethernet goes through the usb hub.. which needs 5v
[22:18] <loadbang> +s
[22:18] <thrawed> loadbang: maybe it's taking a rest
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> criten, very probably.
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> fresh batteries ...
[22:18] <criten> gordonDrogon: what voltage are the batteries normally?
[22:19] <AC`97> so, i'm going to cut another heatsink. one that covers the entire board
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[22:19] <AC`97> i want to be known as "the guy who put a heatsink on his Pi" >:D
[22:19] <criten> AC`97: you aren't the first... haha
[22:19] <thrawed> AC`97: loads have people have done it
[22:19] <thrawed> *of
[22:19] <AC`97> like, just one heatsink?
[22:19] <criten> AC`97: do what you want hahaha
[22:19] <AC`97> i'm going to measure the height of all the chips too
[22:20] <AC`97> and cut depressions into the heatsink
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[22:20] <thrawed> just chuck "raspberry pi heat sink" into google images
[22:20] <nputnam> They sell a kit on tindie.com
[22:20] <loadbang> hem, IP address changed
[22:20] <AC`97> i like low profile heatsinks better
[22:20] <thrawed> loadbang: static the hell out of it
[22:21] <AC`97> i have to cram the Pi, 3 relays, a power supply, and a usb hub into a tiny box
[22:21] <ameoba> if the HS has been done, time to go water cooled
[22:21] <loadbang> thrawed: the odd thing is, it is set to be static
[22:21] <clever> ameoba: oil cooled, i have a jug of it out in the garage somewhere
[22:21] <clever> i can just chuck the whole thing in :P
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[22:21] <loadbang> does setting it static in ifconfig not stick?
[22:22] <thrawed> it won't
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[22:22] <clever> loadbang: the ifconfig command is purely runtime, you must set it in a config file
[22:22] <loadbang> ok
[22:22] <thrawed> do it via /etc/network/interfaces
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> criten, it's 6 x AA's - just measured the new ones - 9.8v
[22:22] <loadbang> will do
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> heatsinks are for wussies. let it burn!
[22:22] <SRCR> :P
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[22:23] <thrawed> did you tell him that it's designed to use the board as a heatsink?
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[22:24] <gordonDrogon> the 3.3v reg certianly has a lot of copper under it ..
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[22:24] <criten> gordonDrogon: how long does it last?
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> I want to know why halt now reboots the little blighters.
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> criten, I've no idea - It ran for just over an hour earlier when I went to watch some TV, then died, but the batteries I had it it were some years old and have been in my lego mindstorms rxc1 for some time (years!)
[22:25] <blarson__> Use the cooling system from a Cray 1 on a raspberry pi. Definate overkill. (The benches get rather warm when the cray-1 is operating.)
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[22:25] <gordonDrogon> I'm hoping I can run it for a few hours on the AA's. I only need to run it for 15 minutes tomorow (twice)
[22:26] <criten> gordonDrogon: Sweet! you should get some rechargable ones so you dont need to keep throwing batteries in it
[22:26] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: sod's law
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> yea, this is just a one-off though - bit of fun for a couple of raspberryjam events - Penzance tomorow and Bristol/Bath on Monday.
[22:27] <thrawed> I used to live near bath
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> me too - place called Bristol :)
[22:28] <criten> Check out my new lights on my robot! ; ]
[22:28] <criten> http://imgur.com/a/1LF65#2
[22:28] <loadbang> gordonDrogon: thank you for helping earlier.
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[22:28] <gordonDrogon> loadbang, did you get sorted in the end? I had to go away for a bit ...
[22:28] <thrawed> criten: non-functional lighting on electronics looks terrible
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[22:29] <criten> thrawed: It is going to do status blinking
[22:29] <criten> and actually tells me that it's on..
[22:29] <thrawed> it would just piss me off
[22:29] <thrawed> too many blinking lights in the darkness
[22:29] * loadbang has his CCNA, HP, A+ and Sun books out to relearn networking, I did those courses 5 years ago and I can't remember anything.
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[22:29] <criten> in the light all you can see is the green top
[22:30] <criten> and through my web interface i will have an option to turn it off
[22:30] <loadbang> gordonDrogon: it started working all by itself.
[22:31] <loadbang> gordonDrogon: just as I was about to throw my RPi at the wall.
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[22:34] <Ahmagahz> anyone made a case from a cassette case?
[22:34] <AC`97> nope
[22:34] <AC`97> will it actually fit?
[22:34] <Ahmagahz> trying to work out how to best attack it with a dremel
[22:34] <Ahmagahz> oh yeah, it fits lovely
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[22:35] <AC`97> i hope it isn't brittle :P
[22:35] <AC`97> one wrong move with the dremel and off goes a chunk
[22:35] <Ahmagahz> thats what i mean :(
[22:35] <AC`97> i prefer to do things by hand. with a file
[22:35] <Ahmagahz> look at this though and tell me it doesnt make your mouth water
[22:35] <AC`97> did you see my heatsink? :]
[22:35] <Ahmagahz> http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/440971aKUTB.jpg
[22:35] <Ahmagahz> no, show me?
[22:36] <AC`97> er. brb
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[22:37] <AC`97> Ahmagahz: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cRlxWsZo9gmqi-qp2PX0AvDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
[22:37] <AC`97> (be back in like 10-15 minutes)
[22:37] <Ahmagahz> also, why the hell is are the usb and network port so far offset from eachother?
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[22:39] <Ahmagahz> oh my god, it's full of heatsink
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[22:39] <Jezzz> got my pi running like a champ
[22:39] <Jezzz> thx for the help criten, et all
[22:39] <Hodapp> et al.*
[22:39] <Jezzz> -l
[22:39] <Ahmagahz> yay??!
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[22:40] <Hodapp> you need the period, 'al' is short for 'alia' >:|
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[22:40] <Hodapp> DuckEvil
[22:40] <loadbang> I have autocorrect switch on my Mac. Comes up with some weird words sometimes.
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[22:45] <AC`97> ^_^
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[22:57] <Butcho> getting some overscan on my xbian raspberry. I can't seem to fix it by manipulating /boot/config.txt overscan_* settings
[22:57] <AC`97> did you happen to turn off overscan?
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[22:58] <Butcho> disable_overscan=1 ?
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[22:58] <AC`97> is that set to 0?
[22:58] <bakers> I'm using the headphone jack as an output to my stereo and I'm getting a little static/popping sound. Is there anyway to clean that up? Alternate grounding or something?
[22:58] <Butcho> I commented that out
[22:58] <AC`97> oh. hmm
[22:58] <Butcho> #disable_overscan=1
[22:58] <AC`97> bakers: i believe that's a software problem. no clue though. happens here too
[22:59] <bakers> AC`97: Appropriate username :)
[22:59] <AC`97> Butcho: do you see black borders, or is the picture just cut off?
[22:59] * AC`97 hisses and buzzes
[22:59] * AC`97 crackles
[23:00] <Butcho> it's cut off.. just a little bit
[23:00] <Butcho> no borders
[23:00] <AC`97> what are your values?
[23:01] <Butcho> 64 for all the overscan_*
[23:01] <AC`97> does it seem to do anything at all?
[23:01] <Butcho> the clock in the upper right hand corner... the numbers are cut off, about 20% of it
[23:02] <[SLB]> shouldn't you use negative values?
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[23:02] <Butcho> I read negative values will get rid of black bars
[23:02] <AC`97> [SLB]: negative values would supposedly make it worse
[23:02] <AC`97> ... if it works at all
[23:02] <[SLB]> ah sorry i read he had black borders
[23:03] <[SLB]> disable_overscan has to be commented for overscan_* to work
[23:03] <[SLB]> and each of them has to be uncommented, of course
[23:03] <[SLB]> is that how it is?
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[23:04] <AC`97> so, i powered up my Pi, and nothing shorted as far as i can tell. time to overclock >:D
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[23:07] <Lasse^> bakers the static/popping is because of a bad hw solution for analogue sound
[23:08] <bakers> Lasse^: That's what I figured... is there anything we can do
[23:08] <Lasse^> AC`97 how did you protect the heatsink from shorting out the board?
[23:08] <Lasse^> bakers I would go for a USB soundcard solution :)
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[23:11] <Butcho> AC`97: http://rsletten.com/overscan.jpg
[23:12] <AC`97> Lasse^: with very careful cutting (or, filing)
[23:12] <AC`97> Butcho: is your tv in the correct aspect ratio/mode?
[23:12] <Butcho> of course
[23:12] <Lasse^> AC`97 nice.. my old GFX card, just had nice cute little heatsinks for the memory modules, they fit perfectly on the rpi
[23:13] <AC`97> do different values actually change the overscan?
[23:13] <Butcho> doesn't appear to affect it
[23:13] <Lasse^> Butcho have you tried a different resolution?
[23:13] <AC`97> Butcho: overclock?
[23:13] <AC`97> overclocking could change overscan, i believe
[23:13] <AC`97> or perhaps resolution
[23:14] <Butcho> could be
[23:14] <Butcho> since xbian is overclocked
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[23:20] <Iota> pi@raspbmc:~$ uptime 21:17:48 up 22 days, 2:27, 1 user, load average: 2.47, 0.81, 0.44
[23:20] <mrdragons> not bad
[23:21] <Iota> \o/
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[23:23] <AC`97> 14:21:00 up 228 days, 20:07, 1 user, load average: 0.15, 0.10, 0.03
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[23:23] <AC`97> ohwait, that's my security server
[23:24] <AC`97> 14:21:44 up 12 min, 1 user, load average: 0.85, 1.33, 0.75
[23:24] <loadbang> "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!"
[23:24] <AC`97> there it goes
[23:24] <loadbang> trying to instal via apt-get
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I've just been followed by the south devon chilli farm... maybe they're using raspberry pi's ...
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[23:39] * imark (~mark@client-80-0-208-38.bkl-bng-011.adsl.virginmedia.net) Quit (Client Quit)
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[23:48] <PigFlu> i am still unable to get internet on my pi
[23:48] <PigFlu> any tips?
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[23:49] <gordonDrogon> I presume you have screen+keyboard access to it?
[23:50] <[SLB]> maybe it's the gateway settings
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[23:50] <PigFlu> gordonDrogon: yea
[23:51] <PigFlu> and i have internet now
[23:51] <PigFlu> but when i startx, it seems to drop :/
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> does the Pi get an IP address from your router?
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[23:51] <PigFlu> yea, i have an IP now
[23:51] <PigFlu> and i can ping google
[23:51] <PigFlu> so thats alright
[23:51] <PigFlu> now to install vlc and a torrent client..
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> it's quite bizarre then... I'd not expect starting up X to have any issues with internet access...
[23:52] <PigFlu> yea its weird :/
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[23:54] <danielboston26> hey there all
[23:54] <danielboston26> newb here
[23:55] <danielboston26> can anyone hear me?
[23:56] * Syliss (~Home@adsl-108-82-206-59.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi
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[23:57] * Weaselweb (~quassel@2001:6f8:9e4:123:21a:92ff:fe5a:1409) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:57] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: I just broke my connection, but no worries, we can rebuild it. We have the technology.)
[23:57] <danielboston26> hi syliss
[23:57] <Syliss> oi
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> danielboston26, yes.
[23:58] <danielboston26> just testing
[23:58] <danielboston26> so whats the latest on raspberry pi?
[23:58] <imark> what? sorry i didnt hear you i had my headphones on
[23:58] <danielboston26> is there any place that has them in stock?
[23:58] <danielboston26> element 14 doesn't have any
[23:59] <danielboston26> and rs says 15 week wait time
[23:59] <imark> ebay, youll pay roughly ?40 quid but youll have it by friday
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[23:59] <danielboston26> what is that in dollars?

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