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IRC Log for 2012-08-15

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[0:00] <danielboston26> thats $50.00
[0:00] <imark> uuurm, 65
[0:00] <danielboston26> bit much
[0:00] <danielboston26> seeing as its only 35 retail
[0:01] <imark> yeah if you dont want to wait
[0:01] <danielboston26> does it take them a long time to make?
[0:02] <imark> you mean the foundation making rapsberry pi's?
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[0:03] <danielboston26> idk who is it that actually manufactures them?
[0:03] <Syliss> they make about 4500/day
[0:03] <Syliss> they are made in china
[0:03] <danielboston26> ah
[0:04] <danielboston26> whats the olimex?
[0:04] <imark> last i heard element 14 are now actually getting them out quickly despite their feedback online
[0:04] <MasterGeek> in a slave labor camp i hear?
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[0:04] <PigFlu> you know that little rectangle in the corner that shows cpu usage (?) ?
[0:04] <PigFlu> its ALL green
[0:04] <rojuinex> Anyone doing any ARM assembly programming?
[0:04] <PigFlu> i just started the webbrowser and tried to load google
[0:05] <AC`97> it's not cpu usage
[0:05] <PigFlu> and it the entire thing filled up
[0:05] <AC`97> it's disk usage
[0:05] <PigFlu> oh
[0:05] <PigFlu> well its all green still
[0:05] <AC`97> ohwait, what little rectangle thing
[0:05] <PigFlu> and nothing is happening
[0:05] <PigFlu> yea
[0:05] <AC`97> the lil bit of led?
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[0:05] <PigFlu> ?
[0:05] <PigFlu> its next to the clock
[0:05] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[0:05] <PigFlu> left of it
[0:05] <imark> yeah its cpu usage
[0:06] <AC`97> ohthat
[0:06] <imark> hes talking about the corner of lxde not the board itself
[0:06] <AC`97> iknewthat
[0:06] * AC`97 wanders off
[0:06] <PigFlu> well everything just hangs now
[0:06] <PigFlu> i havent been able to do a single thing on the pi yet
[0:06] <AC`97> are the chips hot?
[0:07] <PigFlu> yep
[0:07] <AC`97> the one near the usb ports burn? :]
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[0:07] <PigFlu> doesnt burn
[0:07] <PigFlu> but its warm
[0:07] <AC`97> ah i see...
[0:07] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cRlxWsZo9gmqi-qp2PX0AvDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink my solution to burning chips
[0:07] <PigFlu> and, uh..
[0:08] <PigFlu> there are mods LEDS on than usual
[0:08] <imark> homemade heatsink?
[0:08] <AC`97> yep. handmade
[0:08] <imark> sweet
[0:08] <AC`97> with a file. and a lot of patience
[0:08] <AC`97> ended up with a hand full of aluminum splinters
[0:08] <imark> haha, cokecan?
[0:09] <AC`97> lol
[0:09] <AC`97> it's just a regular heatsink cut down to size
[0:09] <AC`97> i'm hoping the thermal paste and pad is enough to prevent it from falling off
[0:10] <PigFlu> does the pi dislike that i pull the plug on it?
[0:10] <PigFlu> i dont know what else to do.. its completely unresponsive
[0:10] <AC`97> yes.
[0:10] <AC`97> keyboard connected?
[0:10] <PigFlu> yes
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> why do people keep on putting heatsinks on their Pi when the people from broadcom repeatedly say it's not neccessary?
[0:10] * datagutt (~datagutt@unaffiliated/datagutt) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
[0:10] <AC`97> (alt+sysrq) + R E I S U B
[0:10] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: because design flaw.
[0:11] <AC`97> i guess the chip's regulator is driving the whole board
[0:11] <AC`97> because the regulator that's on the board isn't putting out enough voltage
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> so why have my 3 Pi's not burst into flames by now?
[0:11] <imark> gordonDrogon: i have to say ive pushed it pretty hard and find it never gets more that mildy warm, i dont see the point
[0:11] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: probably because you're one of the lucky ones whose regulators put out the correct voltage
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> I've had one Pi on every day since I got it - start of May, and it's in a case with a lid on.
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> the other 2 are in & out of cases, but are on all day, every day.
[0:12] <dennistlg> i compilin stuff on pi hours and days 100%cpu usage
[0:12] <AC`97> i can blow on a chip from the top, and feel hot air come out of the sides of the board
[0:12] <dennistlg> chip ist not hot.
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> they're designed to be OK up to 70C.
[0:13] <AC`97> my media computer's northbridge+southbridge run at ~85C
[0:13] <AC`97> and i already have 6 fans on that thing
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> sure it's not just am obsession?
[0:14] <AC`97> ??
[0:14] <AC`97> it's still whisper quiet though
[0:14] <AC`97> ... until i have the fans up to 100%
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[0:15] <AC`97> anyways, i'm off to make an even bigger heatsink for my Pi
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> my PC is silent. just one fan on the processor and it's idle.
[0:15] <AC`97> no fan on power supply??
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> nope.
[0:16] <[SLB]> it also depends where in the world you live at
[0:16] <AC`97> <- bay area, around central california, i suppose
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> possibly.
[0:17] <PigFlu> how do i read from my flash-drive? i can see it listed in /media/ but when i cd to it, i get permission denied.
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[0:20] <[SLB]> i had incredibly hot wind blowing from north africa here in south italy and the pi was really hot, but now that cooled down, it's not even warm
[0:20] <[SLB]> 4days uptime now
[0:20] <[SLB]> enclosed in a case
[0:20] <[SLB]> the hot days i touched the soc and i could have boiled eggs on it :3
[0:20] <danielboston26> i think putting it in a case would help with the heat issue
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[0:20] <danielboston26> they should have put them in a case to begin with
[0:21] <danielboston26> PigFu check permissions?
[0:21] <PigFlu> how?
[0:22] * unknownbliss is now known as UKB|Sleep
[0:22] <PigFlu> i should think i have permission to read my flashdrive :/
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[0:23] <danielboston26> never hurt to check
[0:23] <loadbang> AC`97 [SLB] the SoC would be rated to work well up to 120??C or higher.
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[0:24] <AC`97> orly?
[0:24] <AC`97> what about the usb controller?
[0:24] <loadbang> same with most CPUs
[0:24] <danielboston26> PigFu if you don't know how to check permissions you shouldn't be using linux its a nerd operating system
[0:24] <loadbang> my i7 runs at 105??C under load
[0:24] <AC`97> he's not using linux. he's using a raspberry pi! :P
[0:25] <AC`97> loadbang: my brain would melt.
[0:25] <AC`97> i'd switch to a freon cooling system
[0:25] <loadbang> computer builders freak out when their CPUs run at 40C.
[0:26] <loadbang> yet they will cause more damage and cause errors if they run that cool
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[0:26] <AC`97> orly?
[0:27] <AC`97> mine rarely exceed 36C
[0:27] <AC`97> i have it on emergency shutdown if it reaches 45C, lol
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[0:33] <gordonDrogon> I ran an Atom system in a sealed box inside a cupboard that had the exhaust stack off a railway train engine... It was fine for the best part of 18 months before we decommisioned it.
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> no fans, no vents.
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> hottest the processor got to was 85C. Hottest the on-board 3g/gps chip got to was 102C.
[0:35] <dennistlg> have runing a dual quadcore xeon e5420 with fbdimm and 2 hd 4870 in a midi tower 1000w powersupply
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[0:35] <dennistlg> i have eleven fans
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[0:36] <gordonDrogon> not allowed fans on a PC bolted to a train!
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[0:38] <dennistlg> all fans temp regulated at 100% at cpu and gpu's its not loud
[0:38] <dennistlg> temps reaches 80?C
[0:38] <dennistlg> on the ram
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[0:39] <dennistlg> internal sensor
[0:39] * PiBot sets mode +v imark
[0:39] <dennistlg> fbdimm = hot stuff
[0:39] <dennistlg> :-D
[0:41] <dennistlg> http://media.neckermann.at/bilder/gat081/900/3/34/34534k0_2000_4434.jpg
[0:42] <loadbang> it's the capacitors that hate the heat.
[0:42] * Butcho (~butcho@cpe-069-132-192-003.carolina.res.rr.com) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
[0:43] <loadbang> especially power supply ones.
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[0:48] <loadbang> err, rebooted my RPi and now it has eth5 in ifconfig
[0:49] * youlysses (~user@97-64-170-2.client.mchsi.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[0:50] <loadbang> udev keep on remaking /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[0:50] <loadbang> ugh
[0:50] <chithead> bad udev
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[0:51] <loadbang> would emptying the file and changing permission fix it?
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[0:54] <mongrelion> left raspberry pi for like 6 hours alone. Found it blocked/frozen :/
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[0:55] <AC`97> was the chips hot?
[0:55] * Syliss (~Home@adsl-108-82-206-59.dsl.chi2ca.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Syliss)
[0:55] <loadbang> #facepalm
[0:55] * mentar (~mentar@94-195-22-204.zone9.bethere.co.uk) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[0:56] <mongrelion> this is not the first time it happens.
[0:56] <mongrelion> I can't really remember when was the last time I could leave it turned on for a long time without freezing :/
[0:56] <mongrelion> and I can't really tell what are the steps to reproduce the error.
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[1:06] <loadbang> ok, deleting the content and making the file read only still made udev re-write the bloody file!
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[1:09] <chithead> chattr +i
[1:09] <chithead> but seriously, you better address this problem in udev instead of treating symptoms
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[1:14] <PigFlu> seriously
[1:14] <PigFlu> my pi is useless
[1:14] <PigFlu> when i startx everything becomes so slow its literally impossible to do things
[1:14] <PigFlu> and it took a good 2 minutes to load google
[1:15] <chithead> it's not exactly fast, but still ok here (using lxdm and netsurf)
[1:15] <PigFlu> and i had to use googles IP, otherwise it wouldnt find the host
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[1:16] <PigFlu> is it not getting enough power or what?
[1:16] <PigFlu> im using an externally powered USB hub, so it should be fine
[1:16] <chithead> you are more likely running out of ram
[1:16] <PigFlu> but how
[1:17] <chithead> which cpu/gpu memory split do you use?
[1:17] <trevorman> you've got some sort of configuration problem if you can't even do a DNS lookup. it isn't the RPi hardware thats at fault.
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[1:17] <PigFlu> <chithead> which cpu/gpu memory split do you use?
[1:17] <PigFlu> huh?
[1:17] <AC`97> ^ lol
[1:18] <chithead> different firmware files exist for this purpose, I think the default is 128/128
[1:19] <PigFlu> im just trying to play a movie.. any movie
[1:19] <PigFlu> since i cant access the internet im trying to load one from a flash drive
[1:19] <PigFlu> but failed horribly
[1:19] <chithead> I thought you want to visit google
[1:19] <trevorman> hmm interesting. Java SE 7 Update 6 is out for ARMv6
[1:19] <PigFlu> yea, i was trying to access google and then youtube
[1:19] <PigFlu> ive given up on that
[1:20] <chithead> firmware can be found here https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot some distros ship with rpi-config tool for convenience
[1:20] <PigFlu> trying to read my flash drive, the entire thing crashed, and i got loads of error messages
[1:20] <trevorman> youtube won't work
[1:20] <PigFlu> had to reboot
[1:20] <PigFlu> now i found my flashdrive in /media/
[1:20] <Orb> I haven't been in here much, but, is it very well known that the Pi is just really underpowered? Maybe I'm stating the obvious.
[1:20] <PigFlu> but when i cd and ls to it, no files are showing up
[1:21] <PigFlu> i know there are files on it.
[1:21] <trevorman> no flash. no webm. no support for h264 HW decode in the browser IIRC.
[1:21] <Orb> I got mine about 3 weeks ago and it's just worse than I expected.
[1:21] <PigFlu> ^
[1:21] <trevorman> Orb: expectations are too high and some media reports have been a bit too optimistic. for what they designed it for, it fits the spec.
[1:21] <PigFlu> all this shit about "omg it can play HD movies etc"
[1:21] <PigFlu> its all bullshit, i cant do ANYTHING on it
[1:21] <trevorman> it can. omxplayer can do h.264 and mpeg4
[1:22] <Orb> Pigflu, have you tried xbmc?
[1:22] <PigFlu> no
[1:22] <chithead> it works fine as media player using openelec/raspbmc/xbian
[1:22] <Orb> Again, underpowered but xbmc does sorta play most video.
[1:22] <chithead> it works fine for its intended purpose, teaching schoolchildren how to code
[1:22] <mru> it's a blackbox video decoder with an arm microcontroller bolted on
[1:22] <PigFlu> Orb: but i cant even find any videos to play
[1:22] <Orb> Pig, google raspbmc.
[1:22] <chithead> it is however not a replacement for a desktop pc
[1:22] <PigFlu> i cant even find my flashdrive
[1:22] <Orb> Oh
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[1:22] <trevorman> what chithead said
[1:23] <chithead> possibly your flash drive is in unsupported format (ntfs)
[1:23] <Orb> Does it show up in /dev?
[1:23] <kn1000> Anyone know the max current draw from the raspberry pi's GPIO pins?
[1:23] <AC`97> something very tiny
[1:23] <Orb> I would think ntfs is supported just fine.
[1:23] <AC`97> <30mA, i think
[1:23] <trevorman> kn1000: don't think they've published it. doubt its much though. sinking is quite likely goign to be higher tho
[1:23] <PigFlu> Orb: i dont think it does..
[1:23] <PigFlu> cant see its name
[1:24] <chithead> with debian and gentoo, you need to install the ntfs-3g package, not sure about the other distros
[1:24] <kn1000> trevorman, any ballpark figures? trying to design my first circuit around it lol
[1:24] <PigFlu> there are several usb devices though
[1:24] <Orb> The file system shouldn't matter.
[1:24] <Orb> sdb or sdc or d should show up in /dev
[1:24] <AC`97> which pin should i connect an IR receiver to? i have 3.3v and ground... and then which gpio pin??
[1:24] <kn1000> AC`97, so I should be ok drawing 20mA
[1:25] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[1:25] <AC`97> kn1000: i have no clue
[1:25] <AC`97> i wouldn't try to draw more than 10mA myself
[1:25] <kn1000> AC`97 is a realtek driver
[1:25] <AC`97> not really
[1:25] <PigFlu> sda and sda1 shows up, Orb
[1:25] * AC`97 hisses and buzzes at you
[1:25] <kn1000> AC`97, LOL!
[1:25] <kn1000> It's funny you say that because I'm having that exact fucking problem with my realtek motherboard
[1:25] <kn1000> only on the front usb ports though
[1:26] <Orb> And the USB stick I assume is fine on something else. I dunno.
[1:26] <AC`97> indeed
[1:26] <chithead> your sd card is /dev/mmc... and the first usb drive you connect will be /dev/sda
[1:26] <kn1000> anything plugged into the front usb ports causes the front audio ports to buzz uncontrollably
[1:26] <chithead> check /proc/filesystems whether the filesystem on the usb stick is supported
[1:26] <PigFlu> i must admit, this has been a huge disappointment :(
[1:26] <AC`97> check the capacitors on your front port board
[1:26] <kn1000> AC`97, I don't think it'll have any to be honest
[1:26] <Orb> Kn sometimes front usb ports can be disabled in the bios setings or the cable itself is disconnected in the case.
[1:26] <kn1000> AC`97, this case was ridiculously cheap
[1:26] <AC`97> O.o atrocious
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[1:26] <kn1000> Orb, I like having the ports
[1:27] <kn1000> I also like using the front audio ports
[1:27] <kn1000> hence the problems
[1:27] <kn1000> lol
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[1:27] <Orb> Im saying that may be the problem.
[1:27] <trevorman> kn1000: http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals#General_Purpose_Input.2FOutput_.28GPIO.29 claims 16mA but they're getting that value from datasheets for other devices.
[1:27] <Orb> They may be turned off.
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[1:27] <trevorman> kn1000: what AC`97 said (10mA) should be a safe value until somebody at Broadcom actually publishes it
[1:28] <AC`97> did i mention that i'm computer illiterate??
[1:28] <mru> I would not design something to draw more than a few mA from a gpio pin
[1:28] <mru> if you need more you should use something external to boost it
[1:28] <mru> like a transistor
[1:29] <Orb> I would say you have alot of reading to do, AC
[1:29] <kn1000> That was what I was going to do
[1:29] <kn1000> AC`97, yep no circuitry AT ALL on the front usb port/audio board
[1:29] <kn1000> LOL
[1:30] <AC`97> ouch
[1:30] <kn1000> mru, I'm new to transistors, how would I go about actually calculating the value for the current limiting resistor for the input pin on the transistor?
[1:30] <kn1000> well new to electronics in general
[1:30] <AC`97> i'm new too
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[1:30] <AC`97> i have this nice IR receiver module, but i dunno which pin to connect it to
[1:31] * shayla (~pi@gateway/tor-sasl/shayla) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[1:31] <AC`97> nor do i know how to access the pin even if i do connect it :P
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[1:31] * PiBot sets mode +v shayla
[1:32] <mru> get a copy of 'the art of electronics' and read it
[1:33] <mru> it's a bit old but the principles still apply
[1:33] <kn1000> mru, you have got to be the third person to recommend that
[1:33] <kn1000> so screw it, internet, here it come
[1:33] <AC`97> got a download for that book??
[1:34] <AC`97> the most complex thing i built was a veriable power supply with voltmeter + ammeter
[1:34] <mru> it's a _book_, it's made of paper
[1:34] <AC`97> i used linears at first, but then upgraded it to switching
[1:34] <AC`97> i like my kindle
[1:34] <kn1000> AC`97, pm
[1:35] <kn1000> there we go I shall have it soon
[1:35] <AC`97> oohlala
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[1:35] * AC`97 turns into a pirate. arrr!
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[2:36] <IT_Sean> Right. It is FAR to quiet in here.
[2:37] * AC`97 screams!
[2:37] * IT_Sean plugs in his iPod and cranks some killer tunes
[2:37] * IT_Sean silences AC`97
[2:37] * AC`97 hisses and buzzes in the background
[2:37] * IT_Sean grounds AC`97
[2:37] * AC`97 lets out the magic smoke
[2:37] * IT_Sean dumps a butcket of water on AC`97
[2:37] * NirIzr (~NirIzr@93-172-240-229.bb.netvision.net.il) Quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
[2:37] * AC`97 drowns
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[2:38] <AC`97> *gurgle*
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[2:39] * PiBot sets mode +v Syliss
[2:39] * plugwash just pointed mirrordirector.raspbian.org at mirrorbrain and hopes to hell that it doesn't produce a torrent of complaints
[2:40] * IT_Sean complains
[2:40] * AC`97 imagines a bittorrent file full of complaints
[2:40] * IT_Sean can't imagine anyone would download that torrent
[2:40] <AC`97> indeed
[2:41] <AC`97> time to fabricate some clips for my custom heatsink
[2:41] * AC`97 pulls out some paperclips
[2:42] * plugwash wonders if he should complain to maxmind that the geoipv6 service thinks he is in canada
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[2:42] * PiBot sets mode +v forceblast
[2:43] * IT_Sean would
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[2:44] <IT_Sean> why does it think you are in canukistan?
[2:44] <ReggieUK> now that's funny!
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[2:47] <dennistlg> olala
[2:47] <IT_Sean> O_o
[2:47] <dennistlg> found a old nokia 3310 cellphone
[2:47] <IT_Sean> is that good?
[2:48] <plugwash> well my ipv6 IP is from gogo6 (which afaict is what used to be called freenet6), my guess is that they use one IP pool globally and someone saw a canadian user from that pool and marked the whole thing as canada
[2:48] <dennistlg> think the display is spi
[2:48] <IT_Sean> oh
[2:48] <IT_Sean> 's proibably the most useful thing you can do with that phone. Steal the display from it and do something coll with that.
[2:49] * plugwash liked the old nokias
[2:49] <dennistlg> it has only a few pixels (monocrome typ) but i think its usable with pi
[2:49] <plugwash> the loss of displays that could be read in most lighting conditions with the backlight off was a PITA IMO
[2:49] * IT_Sean has never owned a nokia phone
[2:49] <dennistlg> yes sean the phone itself is useless
[2:50] <IT_Sean> All of my phones have either been samsung or motorola
[2:50] <IT_Sean> and Samdung > Motoblowra
[2:51] <dennistlg> my first phones branded siemens than a few nokias than htc ( blueangel and universal) and then a sony erricson build by htc than samsung
[2:52] <IT_Sean> I had the mk1 Motorola Razr. It was crap.
[2:53] <dennistlg> at this moment i have a samsung galaxy s2 it performs verry god ;-)
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[2:53] <IT_Sean> I've got a samsung. a simple flip. Not a smartphone.
[2:53] <IT_Sean> My work phone is an iPhone
[2:54] <dennistlg> i dont like apple ^^
[2:54] <dennistlg> but thats a other story
[2:55] <nx5> I'm trying to use a webcam
[2:55] <nx5> I was able to grab frames with raspbian
[2:55] <nx5> but now with arch I get this: libv4l2: error allocating conversion buffer
[2:55] <IT_Sean> nx5, plug it in and point it at yourself is usually the key.
[2:55] <IT_Sean> oooh...
[2:55] * IT_Sean shrugs
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[2:55] <dennistlg> i hope my pi have enought power for control of 1000 led's
[2:56] <IT_Sean> 1000 LEDs?
[2:56] <IT_Sean> O_o
[2:56] <nx5> and after that: [video4linux2,v4l2 @ 0x1ece4c0] mmap: Cannot allocate memory
[2:56] <IT_Sean> How do you plan to make that work?
[2:56] <dennistlg> 10x10x10 led cube
[2:56] <IT_Sean> Yeah, no, i meant, how do you actually plan to control that many LEDs from a Pi?
[2:57] <dennistlg> schiebe register think shift registers in english
[2:57] <IT_Sean> ah.
[2:57] <IT_Sean> kinky.
[2:57] * plugwash has often thought it would be cool to have a full HD display built out of discrete LEDs
[2:58] <plugwash> would be very expensive though
[2:58] <dennistlg> O_o
[2:58] <dennistlg> ^^
[2:58] <IT_Sean> it would have to be bloody massive, and you'd have to stand a really long way away from it for it to look even remotely "HD"
[2:59] <plugwash> yeah with an LED pitch arround 3mm you'd end up with a nearly 6 meter wide display
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[3:00] <dennistlg> surface mounted ledes
[3:00] <dennistlg> -e
[3:00] <dennistlg> smd
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[3:00] <mru> does oled not count?
[3:00] <dennistlg> but the coast of the led's ....
[3:00] <dennistlg> wow
[3:01] <mru> here's a nice, cheap full-hd oled display: http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-oledmonitors/product-BVME170/
[3:01] <IT_Sean> Aye. The cost would be biblical
[3:01] <dennistlg> yes sean
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[3:02] <AC`97> i once saw a 7" oled display go for $11k
[3:02] <plugwash> Afaict such displays do actually exist. I belive they are used for massive display screens
[3:02] <plugwash> (big discrete LED displays that is)
[3:03] * kimitake is now known as kimitake_idle
[3:04] <mru> yes, electronic billboards and such
[3:04] <mru> they're not particularly high resolution though
[3:04] <AC`97> but will it blend?
[3:05] <Jungle-Boogie> where would i find the root pass for raspbmc?\
[3:05] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions has an overview of the standard passwords
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[3:06] <Jungle-Boogie> thats a good start!
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[3:14] <hotwings> ive been waiting for reasonably priced oled tv's for ages now. at least 50"
[3:18] <dennistlg> 03:15am time to sllep for me
[3:18] <dennistlg> good night guys
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[3:20] <AC`97> heatsink clips finished.
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[3:22] <AC`97> now time to find a suitable fan
[3:23] <hotwings> fan for?
[3:23] <mru> I've heard there are fan clubs, perhaps you should join one
[3:23] <AC`97> ...
[3:23] <AC`97> hotwings: https://picasaweb.google.com/103853333444314240950/RaspberryPi?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCLbrpZ7sjI_BVw&feat=directlink
[3:23] <AC`97> still uploading pictures... lalala~
[3:23] <mranostay> mru: fan fan clubs?
[3:24] <mru> of the can can bus
[3:24] <hotwings> im a fan of 120mm and 200mm fans
[3:24] <AC`97> i has can bus
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[3:24] <AC`97> i can operate wipers and windows through can bus :]
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[3:26] <hotwings> interesting heatsink there
[3:26] <AC`97> indeed
[3:26] <AC`97> should i make and sell those? lololol
[3:27] <AC`97> the usb controller has a thermal pad, and cpu/ram has thermal paste
[3:30] <hotwings> hey if people will buy them, why not?
[3:31] <mru> if they bought an rpi, they'll probably buy anything
[3:31] * mru runs
[3:31] <hotwings> as long as everything being covered (and not contacted) is safe to cover
[3:31] <AC`97> lol
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[3:31] <AC`97> well, nothing on mine shorted out yet
[3:31] <hotwings> not necessarily shorted out, i was referring to heat actually
[3:32] <AC`97> oh. i'm sure it's fine
[3:32] <hotwings> heatsinks that cover components but arent actually attached can raise the temp of the component significantly
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[3:32] <AC`97> but it's draining off a LOT of heat from the controller+cpu
[3:32] <AC`97> which in turn makes the board itself a lot cooler
[3:33] <hotwings> so extra heat + little/no airflow can = dead components
[3:33] <AC`97> cooler board = cooler tiny components
[3:33] <hotwings> not if you put a burning hot heatsink next to something ;)
[3:33] <AC`97> that's why i'm gonna add a fan :P
[3:33] <hotwings> oh thats right, sorry forgot about that
[3:34] <AC`97> :]
[3:34] <mru> next you'll be adding water cooling
[3:34] <AC`97> nah, that'd be too hard to make a custom block for
[3:34] <hotwings> water cooling the rpi that doesnt go above 40c lol :]
[3:34] <AC`97> with water cooling, i'll only deal with squares and rectangles
[3:34] <AC`97> and perhaps cylinders/pancakes :P
[3:35] <mru> if it doesn't go about 40, why do you need cooling at all?
[3:35] <AC`97> it does
[3:35] <mru> of course it does
[3:35] <AC`97> the heatsink itself still goes to 43C after a while
[3:35] <mru> but does it go over 70?
[3:36] <AC`97> before that, i think the controller chip was over 60C
[3:36] <mru> I wouldn't start worrying before 70
[3:36] <AC`97> i think it'd go over 70C once it's in the sealed enclosure
[3:36] <AC`97> ...and inside my motorcycle
[3:36] <mru> Tjmax is typically 105C
[3:36] <mru> don't know for that chip specifically
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[3:36] <AC`97> wut is dis j? junction?
[3:36] <mru> yes
[3:36] * AC`97 is electronics illiterate
[3:37] <mru> so surface temperature would be a bit lower
[3:38] * M3nti0n is now known as M3nti0n|off
[3:38] <AC`97> what ever happened to this pi? http://cdni.wired.co.uk/620x413/s_v/Untitled-1_157.jpg
[3:39] * M3nti0n|off is now known as M3nti0n
[3:39] <AC`97> i want buttons! D:<
[3:39] <mrdragons> Buttons cost moneys
[3:39] <AC`97> i read that as "monkeys"
[3:39] <AC`97> :D
[3:40] <mru> that's not a pi
[3:40] <mru> the connectors are all different and it doesn't have the raspberry silkscreen
[3:41] <mrdragons> It was one of the alpha boards
[3:41] <plugwash> mru, i'm pretty sure it's a RPi alpha board
[3:41] <mru> ah, ok
[3:41] <AC`97> indeed
[3:41] <mru> never seen one of those in the flesh
[3:42] <plugwash> me neither
[3:42] <plugwash> Afaict it was built to test the major design elements and give some lucky devs a headstart working with the Pi before starting work on shrinking and cheapening work
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[4:14] <chas> I'm having really bad luck with rpi-update
[4:15] <chas> output is:
[4:15] <chas> Failed to download update for rpi-update!
[4:15] <chas> Make sure you have ca-certificates installed and that the time is set correctly
[4:16] <AC`97> O.o
[4:16] <AC`97> RPi has firmware?
[4:16] <AC`97> oh. start.elf
[4:16] <chas> I think it's for kernal mod update(s)
[4:17] <chas> start.elf?
[4:19] <AC`97> i thought that's the firmware...
[4:19] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120814191506.png ph33r my screenshot'd text
[4:22] <chas> hmm I'm trying to fear it
[4:23] <chas> lol
[4:23] <chas> but it's not loading
[4:23] <chas> ok got it now
[4:23] <AC`97> o.o
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[4:42] <xiambax> can rpi boot off of usb ?
[4:42] <AC`97> i think not
[4:42] <AC`97> but then again, i'm computer illiterate
[4:42] <AC`97> so ignore me.
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[4:43] <AC`97> i do know that it won't boot at all without an sd card
[4:43] <AC`97> so perhaps you can somehow get it to bootstrap
[4:43] <AC`97> (whatever "bootstrap" means)
[4:45] <hotwings> xiambax - rpi has to boot from sd card initially, always
[4:45] <hotwings> you can have mount points on usb, but you didnt ask about moint points
[4:46] <clever> if mass storage is built into the kernel and you use rootwait root=/dev/sda1 it should use the first usb disk as root
[4:46] <clever> but the kernel/start.elf/config.txt/others must be on the sd card
[4:48] <hotwings> yes, so in other words, rpi has to boot from sd card initially, always. you can have mount points on usb, but he didnt ask about moint points
[4:48] <xiambax> I caved and ordered two raspberrypi boards
[4:49] <AC`97> hope you have 2 SD cards
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[4:49] <xiambax> i work at a store that carrys them
[4:49] <xiambax> i will write them off
[4:49] <AC`97> ah i see
[4:49] <xiambax> the only thing i need to buy is usb hubs
[4:49] <xiambax> ordered 3 hdmi cables on ebay for 20 bucks
[4:49] <xiambax> do i need self powered hubs?
[4:50] <AC`97> required.
[4:50] <AC`97> i can plug in an unpowered hub, plug in a usb flash drive into the hub, and the fuse trips :P
[4:54] <xiambax> two 10 port usb powered hubs for 10 bucks? Deal?
[4:55] <AC`97> false
[4:55] <AC`97> the power supplies will probably suck.
[4:55] <AC`97> big time
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[5:08] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/rZ9Hz0o-3c1ym-sZ4ZGN4_DJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink tada!~
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[5:10] <criten> gordonDrogon: Do you have a heatsink on your regulator?
[5:11] <AC`97> regulator doesn't get very hot
[5:11] <AC`97> or at least for me, at 4.8v
[5:11] <criten> you have a 7805?
[5:11] <AC`97> ohthat
[5:11] <criten> lol
[5:11] <AC`97> i'd imagine that would need a heatsink
[5:12] <AC`97> but then again, i'm electronics illiterate, so ignore me plzkthx
[5:12] <plugwash> depends on the input voltage
[5:12] <AC`97> 12v-14.5v is popular :P
[5:12] <plugwash> a 7805 dropping say 12V to 5V at the kind of currents the Pi needs is going to be producting quite a bit of heat
[5:13] <criten> plugwash: yea... I definitly need one though.. just tried it got hot and dropped voltage
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[5:13] <criten> I bolted on some scrap aluminum and it seems to be working fine now..
[5:13] <criten> getting hot to the touch though : P
[5:13] <criten> still running!
[5:14] <AC`97> you need one of those $2 step-down module thingies on ebay
[5:14] <AC`97> those are neat
[5:14] <criten> I'm probably just going to grab this http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/2110
[5:15] <criten> 3.5A small formfactor
[5:15] <criten> easy to interface wiht
[5:15] <AC`97> the ones on ebay are MUCH cheaper
[5:15] <AC`97> and easily adjustable
[5:15] <AC`97> though a bit bigger
[5:15] <criten> Link?
[5:15] <AC`97> and only <3A
[5:15] <AC`97> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140722500871
[5:15] <criten> The less than 3A might be a killer for me...
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[5:16] <AC`97> get a few :P
[5:16] <AC`97> though i'm not sure if it's safe to link them up
[5:16] <AC`97> you can always use one for pi, and one for hub
[5:16] <hotwings> are you guys doing any projects with your rpi aside of bolting stuff onto it? :)
[5:16] <criten> hotwings: of course I am : ]
[5:16] <AC`97> <- motorcycle computer
[5:17] <AC`97> 2 wifi adapters + gps for fun wardriving
[5:17] <AC`97> bluetooth for status reports and speech input
[5:17] <AC`97> i'm building it up veeeery slowly
[5:17] <hotwings> whats wardriving? you mean like D&D for bikers or something?
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[5:17] <f8ba208e18> hello
[5:17] <AC`97> O.o
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[5:18] <AC`97> hotwings: wikipedia
[5:18] <criten> f8ba208e18: welcome back
[5:18] <f8ba208e18> hey criten ! you reside here haha:)
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[5:19] <criten> Yea.. i'm here often
[5:19] <AC`97> i'm here too.
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[5:19] <f8ba208e18> hello too, AC
[5:19] * AC`97 buzzes
[5:21] <hotwings> oh man i was way off there
[5:22] <AC`97> :]
[5:22] <criten> Anyone know how switching regulators react to an unstable input?
[5:22] <AC`97> it depends on how unstable the input is
[5:22] <hotwings> on my cellphone thats called 'find wireless networks' :)
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[5:23] <AC`97> psh, scanning like that is slow :P
[5:23] <plugwash> Afaict unstable input really doesn't bother switchers
[5:23] <AC`97> i'm planning to write my own tools to grab beacons
[5:23] <plugwash> as long as the input stays in the appropriate range
[5:23] <AC`97> criten: as long as your input capacitor is big enough . . .
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[5:26] <hotwings> a lot of my neighbors have wifi but theyre all passworded
[5:27] <AC`97> and that's why my stuff will do cracking too >:D
[5:27] <AC`97> or not really cracking, but coaxing packets out of the routers/aps
[5:27] <AC`97> then they'll be sent to a remote system for cracking
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[5:28] <f8ba208e18> evil
[5:28] <AC`97> ...
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[5:28] <AC`97> it's only for fun
[5:28] <AC`97> it's not like i'm going to use them for anything illegal
[5:28] <f8ba208e18> breaking into routers is actually illegal itself
[5:28] <f8ba208e18> so, yes
[5:28] <marcusw> *sigh*
[5:28] <AC`97> well, i'm not breaking into them
[5:28] <AC`97> just finding the keys
[5:29] <f8ba208e18> that's pretty much the same thing
[5:29] <AC`97> and forcing the AP to send more packets doesn't constitute breaking and entering/accessing
[5:30] <marcusw> but using a password gained through any means other than from the owner of the network is unauthorized use of a computer system
[5:30] <AC`97> who ever said i was going to use them? :P
[5:30] <AC`97> i only want to do this for the statistics
[5:30] <f8ba208e18> obviously
[5:30] <AC`97> ^ indeed
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[5:31] <AC`97> and for the challenge of trying it in a moving vehicle
[5:31] <f8ba208e18> war driving IS illegal
[5:31] <AC`97> the gps will help a lot though
[5:31] <AC`97> f8ba208e18: false.
[5:31] <AC`97> not where i live
[5:31] <f8ba208e18> where is that?
[5:31] <AC`97> california.
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[5:32] <AC`97> so, which part of wardriving is illegal?
[5:32] <f8ba208e18> that was discussed secondsd ago
[5:32] <AC`97> orly
[5:33] <f8ba208e18> you're basically gaining unauthorized access to networks, simply, in a moving vehicle
[5:33] <AC`97> wardriving doesn't include breaking into routers
[5:33] <criten> Searching for wireless Internet connections is legal. Using them isn't.
[5:33] <f8ba208e18> murder is just as illegal in the street as in a rolling car
[5:33] <hotwings> wardriving isnt accessing the networks
[5:33] <f8ba208e18> oh well
[5:33] <f8ba208e18> it was my understanding that it was
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[5:33] <marcusw> f8ba208e18: it's definitely not
[5:34] <AC`97> what i'm doing is approaching the legal limit though
[5:34] <marcusw> at least in the US...
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[5:34] <marcusw> AC`97: yeah, not sure if pulling lots of packets (ARP replay?) is legal
[5:34] <hotwings> i just read about this after AC`97 brought it up
[5:34] <marcusw> since it's a pretty effective DOS
[5:35] <AC`97> it'll probably only last a few seconds for each AP
[5:35] <AC`97> or perhaps even less
[5:35] <criten> AC`97: that isn't enough to grab a key
[5:35] <hotwings> wardriving is definitely not illegal. (see State vs. Allen case for more info)
[5:35] <AC`97> yeah, but that accumulates over the course of days/weeks/months :P
[5:35] <marcusw> clever, clever...
[5:36] <Zeph88> Hello, I'm loving my new pi. One question though... when I first try to connect to any web page or service there is a large lag. Is there anything I can tweak to help this?
[5:36] <criten> have you ever tried cracking a network? It's quite the proces... haha
[5:36] <AC`97> indeed
[5:38] <marcusw> Zeph88: is it DNS or your browser?
[5:39] <marcusw> also what OS?
[5:40] <AC`97> (linux, duh) :P
[5:41] <marcusw> heheh
[5:41] <Zeph88> marcusw, Hi - It's Raspbian. I think it's somthing on the Pi as my macbook and ipad are speedy. I've only noticed this on the pi.
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[5:42] <AC`97> Zeph88: have you tried lynx/links/elinks ?
[5:42] <AC`97> (just to see if it's a processing power issue)
[5:43] <Zeph88> I didn't... I will though, thanks
[5:43] <AC`97> [:
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[5:50] <criten> Goodnight all.
[5:51] <AC`97> ZZzzZzzz
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[6:17] <Jungle-Boogie> new install of Raspbmc for my pi and i've been waiting several minutes and i'm not able to ping the ip address. its not connected to a TV right now. is it likely to have an issue?
[6:18] <AC`97> how do you know the ip address?
[6:18] <Jungle-Boogie> well just looking at dhcp list on the router
[6:18] <AC`97> ah i see
[6:18] <AC`97> what happens if you unplug and replug the ethernet cable?
[6:19] <Jungle-Boogie> still unresponsive
[6:20] <AC`97> did the ip change ?
[6:20] <Jungle-Boogie> i suppose i should connect the pi to a hdmi monitor to see if anything is displayed
[6:20] <Jungle-Boogie> no
[6:20] <AC`97> indeed
[6:21] <Jungle-Boogie> have you installed raspbmc before
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[6:26] <marcusw> Jungle-Boogie: was the eth plugged in when you powered it up?
[6:26] <Jungle-Boogie> yes
[6:26] <Jungle-Boogie> that's how i got the ip
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[9:14] <Habbie> can anyone recommend a USB-serial adapter that works with OSX and tolerates the Pi's serial voltage? (3.3 i believe)
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[9:15] <Gadget-Mac> Habbie: If you can find one of these http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/RPi.htm
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[9:17] <clever> Habbie: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873 ive used this with no trouble
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[9:18] <clever> Habbie: and https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9140 makes it trivial to connect
[9:19] <clever> no risk of shorting things out like you may get with aligator clips
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[9:20] <Habbie> hmm, how about http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-to-uart-5-pin-cp2102-module-serial-converter-81872?item=20 then?
[9:21] <bircoe> I have the 5v version of that for working with Arduino's...
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[9:21] <bircoe> Habbie, should be fine...
[9:21] <Habbie> gonna give that a shot then
[9:21] <Habbie> thanks folks
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[9:21] <bircoe> in the end they all do much the same thing.
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[9:22] <clever> doesnt clearly say what voltage the tx pin is
[9:23] <Habbie> comments say "won't work at 5V, sucks"
[9:23] <Habbie> i guess that's good
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[9:23] <clever> that probly depends on the device, some 5v devices will accept 3v3 as 'high'
[9:23] <clever> some may be more strict
[9:23] <bircoe> true, and something to note is the Sparkfun ones can be switched between 3v3 and 5v
[9:23] <Habbie> ye
[9:24] <clever> bircoe: yep, mine was set to 5v, had to plug in the iron before i used it on the pi
[9:24] <clever> ive got atleast 3 of them, one running the furnace, and one mounted inside a laptop
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[9:24] <bircoe> same
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[9:25] <bircoe> 2x dead ones that i just use to power arduino pros and 1 live one that i've had for about 4 years
[9:25] <clever> furnace one doesnt do much right now, summer
[9:25] <clever> but it still graphs the hell out of every room
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[9:25] <Iota> Roar! \o/
[9:26] <bircoe> https://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/images/products/09873-03c.jpg
[9:26] <bircoe> Habbie, to swap between voltages you cut the trace and put a solder blob on
[9:26] <bircoe> they're good.
[9:26] <Habbie> yeah, just read that
[9:27] <Habbie> but i don't have an iron right now ;)
[9:27] <bircoe> and why not?
[9:27] <clever> since mine already has the blob, all it took was a single swipe to move the whole blob
[9:27] <clever> surprisingly fast to switch, once the iron was up to temp
[9:27] <Habbie> bircoe, haven't needed it in 7 years and have no idea where it is now ;)
[9:27] <bircoe> every electronics hacker worth his salt should have at least 2 :)
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[9:28] <clever> does anybody know how to access the cycle counter register on the pi?
[9:28] <Habbie> bircoe, i certainly am not that - i may one day be, though :)
[9:29] <bircoe> my main iron is on it's way out... over use!
[9:29] <bircoe> its a permanent fixture on my desk
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[9:32] <booyaa|pi> okay i think i've got the hang of bitlbee on irssi
[9:32] <booyaa|pi> that and it working with my existing freenode connections
[9:32] <clever> ok, so why is my pi freezing, hmmmm
[9:32] <clever> *adds ftdi*
[9:33] <booyaa|pi> that's one less screen sesh :) no longer have to run ttyter
[9:33] <booyaa|pi> clever: are you doing at the mo?
[9:33] <booyaa|pi> you using ftdi so you can rig up a serial console?
[9:34] <clever> booyaa|pi: yep, and the default kernel parameters setup that as dmesg dump
[9:34] <clever> *crashes it*
[9:34] <booyaa_> odd, does your setup look like this? http://www.skpang.co.uk/blog/archives/424
[9:34] <bircoe> that's not cool
[9:35] <clever> [ 193.585119] Internal error: Oops - undefined instruction: 0 [#1] PREEMPT
[9:35] <booyaa_> crikey
[9:36] <clever> booyaa|pi: skip the rx on the pi, skip the breadboard, then it matches
[9:38] <booyaa_> presumely you only need rx if you plan to send data the otherway
[9:38] <clever> neat thing, it seems it actualy dropped into a debuger
[9:38] <booyaa_> to the pi that is
[9:38] <clever> fault*
[9:38] <clever> so if i connect the rx on the pi, i can probly debug this caught
[9:38] <clever> bircoe: http://pastebin.com/zqVcxzT8
[9:40] <clever> booyaa_: oops, http://pastebin.com/zqVcxzT8
[9:40] <bircoe> is that first part ASM?
[9:41] <clever> bircoe: yeah, objdump -d on the .o file
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[9:41] <bircoe> i see...
[9:41] <clever> just dis-assembling the .o file
[9:42] <clever> lines 20/21 map to 74/75 (source)
[9:42] <booyaa|pi> nice, is this a custom tweak by the raspberrypi guys or a standard linux feat?
[9:43] <clever> booyaa|pi: custom kernel module i just wrote under an hour ago
[9:43] <bircoe> fun
[9:43] <clever> so far, all it does is hard-lock the kernel :P
[9:43] <clever> without input on the serial debug port, it just sits at the prompt and never recovers
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[9:44] <clever> [<bf0f7098>] (spdif_init+0x4c/0x80 [spdif]) from [<c00085f8>] (do_one_initcall+0x124/0x190)
[9:44] <clever> trying to figure out which line in the source this is actualy pointing to
[9:45] <clever> i think spdif_init is a disposable section, which it will delete from ram once its done init
[9:45] <clever> so spdif_init+0x4c would be fixed at link-time
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[9:45] <gordonDrogon> feeling left out now... I only have one soldering iron. I have had it for over 35 years though...
[9:47] <bircoe> if it makes you feel any better this iron is only about 6 years old, and the one before that 4...
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> :)
[9:47] <bircoe> I need to buy another Weller, this Jaycar poop has to go!
[9:48] <gordonDrogon> I am thinking of getting a new one though - it's an old Weller magnastat and it sometimes sticks and overheats.
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[9:49] <clever> my main one is a cheap fire-starter, the other one i rarely use is a gun type
[9:49] <clever> MASSIVE power output, heats up in seconds, 2 power levels
[9:49] * gordonDrogon cringes
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> yes, off an stupidly hot!
[9:50] <clever> the gun type, it seems to have a massive transformer inside it
[9:50] <clever> and the tip is clearly just a resistive load, both leds are exposed
[9:50] <bircoe> yeah they suck...
[9:50] <clever> probly just drops it to 1 or 2 volts ac and dead-shorts it thru the tip
[9:50] <gordonDrogon> they're for old car electrics really ...
[9:51] <clever> last time i used it, was to add a power cord to a decade old laptop
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[9:56] <clever> hmmm, spdif_init+0x4c, thats not the start, thats the offset within the function
[9:56] <clever> and since the function just happens to start at 0x4c, that would be 0x4c+0x4c == 0x98
[9:56] <clever> which is exactly the instruction i suspected was to blame
[9:58] <clever> confirms the problem is my fault, but i'm not sure how to do it right, i'll try some more later
[9:59] <bircoe> woooosh
[9:59] <bircoe> that's the sound of that going right over my head.
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[10:00] <clever> bircoe: mine too, ive got no clue how to write arm assembly :P
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[10:03] <gordonDrogon> I used to write shed-loads of assembler... so .. many ... grey ... cells ... lost ...
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> however that was before there was a good C compiler for small devices. Pages and pages of 8080 and 6502...
[10:04] <gordonDrogon> then I used to write low-level test code for stuff - transputer, sparc, i860 ... Gah!
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[10:04] <gordonDrogon> I did write some ARM stuff when I had an Arc, but never really got into it.
[10:08] <bircoe> sparc... shudders
[10:08] <bircoe> worst NAS box I ever owned has a SPARC processor!
[10:08] <trevorman> hey whats wrong with sparc :P
[10:08] <bircoe> slowest POS ever!
[10:08] <trevorman> sparc assembler isn't that bad
[10:10] <rojuinex> go gnu
[10:11] <bircoe> I'm sure proper SPARC stuff was good... but Netgears implementation in the ReadyNAS Duo... horrid
[10:11] <clever> bircoe: i had plans to make a sun server into an NAS, its got tons of sata port
[10:11] <bircoe> it took 10-15 seconds to change pages in the web GUI
[10:11] <ne2k> this isn't an RPi question particularly but it sounds like there are people here who know a fair amount about low-level stuff. I have a piece of closed hardware that spits of 40 channels of 48kHz 24-bit PCM audio in ethernet packets, 12 samples per channel per packet, one packet every 1s / (48000/12) = 250us.
[10:11] <clever> bircoe: think it would work ok?
[10:12] <bircoe> I guess it could... Netgear prooved anythign could be made into a NAS :)
[10:12] <clever> ne2k: sounds similar to what i'm working on, trying to get spdif out on a pi
[10:12] <trevorman> bircoe: thats just consumer/SOHO NAS boxes always having underpowered CPUs
[10:12] <trevorman> yeah great that its cheap but actually having more than single digit performance would be even better
[10:13] <bircoe> I own a HP Micro Server... best value NAS type device around... and having an x86 CPU means you can run just abotu any x86 OS you want
[10:13] <clever> the box i was going to use for NAS is a massive sun tower that once powered an xray machine
[10:13] <trevorman> don't forget the lead underwear when working on that box
[10:13] <clever> trevorman: dont worry, the tube isnt attached :P
[10:14] <clever> though it still has 2 fiber-optic inputs
[10:14] <bircoe> I'm running OpenMediaVault on mine, rock solid, great performance... just need bigger drives now :/
[10:14] <bircoe> http://www.openmediavault.org/
[10:14] <harbaum> clever: One thing i'd like to explain to people is the cost of energy. E.g. in germany one watt per year equuals pretty exactly EUR 2 a year
[10:14] <clever> harbaum: as it stands right now, i have ~3 desktop computers running 24/7
[10:15] <clever> getting things down to a single sun tower would save power in the end
[10:15] <harbaum> clever: which is everythig but clever
[10:15] <ne2k> I would like to capture these frames, process and mix the channels of audio in some configurable way, and then emit a stereo audio stream on a pair of analogue outputs, with the minimum latency possible. I know the Pi isn't up to this job, at least not with the current audio driver, because the latency it gives is shocking
[10:15] <clever> i dont have enough sata ports to get everything online at once
[10:15] <clever> so i had to constript more towers!
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[10:15] <bircoe> harbaum, I got offered a Dell R710 for free... but I turned it down for that very reason... too expensive to run
[10:15] <ne2k> I'm just wondering about how difficult it might be to get a microcontroller, an ethernet chip and an audio chip and write my own code from scratch
[10:16] <clever> ne2k: i was actualy working on putting spdif out on my pi, which could in theory have a fixed latency
[10:16] <clever> ne2k: hmmm, *does math*
[10:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ use a hdmi autio splitter
[10:17] <clever> ne2k: about 36 bytes of audio data every 250uS, seems ok for an avr
[10:17] <clever> oh wait, 40 channels
[10:17] <ne2k> clever: avr?
[10:17] <clever> 1440 bytes then
[10:18] <clever> ne2k: you could look at https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11229 maybe
[10:18] <clever> ne2k: 20mhz microcontroller with ethernet interface onboard
[10:18] <harbaum> I wonder what you guys need so powerful nas boxes for. My sheevaplug streams video and audio just fine, polls emails, is a jabber server and monitors the solar panels on the roof. What else does one need?
[10:18] <clever> ne2k: but if your only problem is the pi's alsa, you might be better off just adding a custom audio card to the pi
[10:18] <bircoe> ooooOOOOO I like that, wonder if it's proper POE
[10:19] <clever> bircoe: the poe model does have proper poe
[10:19] <ne2k> clever: well I've tried jack with a USB card and it just stutters like crazy
[10:19] <clever> bircoe: the one i linked just has an empty footprint for the poe adapter
[10:19] <trevorman> harbaum: idk. I've got a dual core opteron with a HW RAID card to run Samba and NFS...
[10:19] <clever> ne2k: you will probly get better audio if you use i2s over the gpio header i think
[10:19] <ne2k> clever: what would I use for audio out on the arduino?
[10:19] <trevorman> with a super l33t 3TB of total disk space. yeah. its old :P
[10:20] <clever> ne2k: *looks*
[10:20] <trevorman> clever: we don't have I2S and bitbanging that is probably going to hit latency problems
[10:20] <bircoe> harbaum, the HP Microsever is anything but powerful, it uses a whose max power is 15w, it idles at around 40w with 5 disks in it.
[10:20] <ne2k> trevorman: the RPi doesn't have I??S, does it?
[10:20] <clever> trevorman: i thought i saw mention of hardware i2s, just no drivers yet
[10:20] <trevorman> no
[10:21] <bircoe> it uses a CPU*
[10:21] <clever> ne2k: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9365 could be used on either the avr or the pi for the end audio
[10:21] <trevorman> clever: its in there but IIRC we're lacking some pins
[10:21] <ne2k> clever: what's avr?
[10:21] <clever> oh wait, wrong way, thats for capture
[10:21] <ne2k> that's an A/D converter, I need a D?A
[10:22] <ne2k> D/A
[10:22] <clever> yeah, mis-read it
[10:22] <trevorman> lemme look at the map again
[10:22] * booyaa|pi has been eyeing up a synology filer. really want to reduce the amount of computers have on
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[10:23] <booyaa|pi> just need something to handle torrents and plug in to the telly or act as a media center
[10:24] <clever> ne2k: an AVR is a microcontroller, the first link i gave you has one onboard
[10:24] <ne2k> http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php?topic=104287.0
[10:25] <clever> ne2k: that would work on the first link as-is
[10:25] <clever> ne2k: and if you wanted to save some money ($60 arduino vs $35 pi) you can probly make it work on a pi
[10:25] <trevorman> clever / ne2k: I2S isn't directly accessible but if you're willing to rework the board slightly then its possible. The first assignment is 18-21 but 19-20 aren't connected. The second assignment is 28-31 which are the 4 lines connected to the config ID bits so in theory you can connect there.
[10:26] <clever> trevorman: how upset would the system be if you disconnect the config resistors?
[10:26] <trevorman> its not available on any of the other GPIOs
[10:26] <ne2k> trevorman: are you talking about I??S?
[10:26] <trevorman> ne2k: yes. I said I2S
[10:26] <trevorman> clever: don't think it really cares
[10:26] <ne2k> trevorman: sorry, I mistyped, I meant are you talking about the RPi
[10:26] <trevorman> yes
[10:27] <trevorman> clever: one of the commits for the bootloader is something like "read the ID from the serial number instead of the GPIOs"
[10:27] <trevorman> I'll see if I can find it again
[10:27] <clever> ne2k: i dont know if that rugged audio shield accepts i2s directly, but it has an AVR on it, so you could reprogram it to accept i2s from a modified pi
[10:27] <clever> trevorman: ah
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[10:29] <ne2k> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=8496
[10:29] <clever> ne2k: also, i would expect a usb sound card to be very unstable (jitter wise)
[10:29] <clever> ne2k: the usb hub and ethernet controller share a usb port
[10:29] <ne2k> REALLY?!
[10:30] <clever> ne2k: yes, the usb hub is INSIDE the ethernet chip
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[10:30] <ne2k> USB ethernet?
[10:30] <ne2k> usb ethernet is cruddy, no?
[10:30] <clever> yep
[10:30] <clever> ne2k: you would be better off with either the onboard audio, or custom audio (i2s, general gpio) output
[10:30] <clever> or maybe hdmi audio
[10:31] <trevorman> hrm. I'm sure there was some mention of it but I can't find it at the moment
[10:32] <loadbang> I wish the RPi had a DAC and ADC chip.
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> maybe the ethernet chip is inside the usb hub chip :)
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[10:33] <clever> gordonDrogon: it is
[10:33] <clever> gordonDrogon: both ways of looking at it are right
[10:33] <loadbang> anyone made a DAC using i2s yet?
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> :)
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[10:33] <gordonDrogon> loadbang, I'd start by seeing if there is a sound driver for i2s first ...
[10:34] <loadbang> could donor a i2s dac from a CD player I guess.
[10:35] <trevorman> clever: ah here we go "Determine board revision from OTP in preference to GPIO version"
[10:35] <trevorman> clever: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commit/caed4bf024f92322161a97ca39a740c02f9f167f
[10:36] <clever> trevorman: ah, so as long as i'm updated past that, it shouldnt matter
[10:36] <clever> i'm guessing the i2s interface has a buffer empty irq?
[10:37] <stain> anyone ordered the new Gertboard?
[10:37] <trevorman> the strapping resistors for those 4 extra GPIOs are right above the expansion connector
[10:37] <stain> are the ADC/DACs there considered decent?
[10:38] <clever> trevorman: yeah, ive already read the revision out visualy
[10:38] <clever> trevorman: do you know much arm assembly?
[10:39] <trevorman> some. not done it in years though.
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[10:39] <clever> i'm trying to access the cycle count register, and it just faults the whole system
[10:39] <clever> "mcr p15, 0, r0, c9, c14, 0
[10:39] <trevorman> the I2S interface can be polled, interrupts or DMA according to the datasheet
[10:39] <clever> interupts and dma on the i2s would solve the timing issues my current code is having
[10:40] <clever> but my goal isnt to use i2s, but spdif
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[10:41] <clever> trevorman: http://pastebin.com/zqVcxzT8 does this make any sense to you?
[10:41] <trevorman> does the kernel expose the PMU to uerspace?
[10:41] <clever> the generic function to get the cycle counter (get_cycles()) just returns 0, so i think somebody forgot to add the code
[10:42] <clever> so i was trying raw assembly to just read it
[10:42] <trevorman> the register you're trying to read needs kernel support
[10:42] <clever> ??, reading a register calls kernel code?
[10:42] <clever> or that 'kernel support' is just code to read it for me in a friendly function?
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[10:44] <PigFlu> what does "svn co" do?
[10:44] <stain> checks out the code from repository
[10:44] <stain> Check Out
[10:44] <trevorman> you're supposed to have the kernel give you usermode access to the PMU
[10:44] <PigFlu> svn: command not found :(
[10:44] <trevorman> don't think you're able to directly access that register
[10:44] <clever> trevorman: i'm in a kernel mode driver
[10:44] <stain> PigFlu: sudo apt-get install subversion
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[10:45] <PigFlu> sudo apt-get install subversion
[10:45] <booyaa|pi> clever: isn't spdif optical?
[10:45] <PigFlu> wait, im fucking retarded
[10:45] <stain> Password:
[10:45] <PigFlu> nice try
[10:45] <booyaa|pi> lol
[10:45] <stain> come on, I know it's "raspberrypi"
[10:46] <clever> booyaa|pi: yes, i plan to blink the OK led with the spdif patern
[10:46] <clever> booyaa|pi: then hold an optical cable up to it
[10:46] <stain> hihihi
[10:46] <trevorman> clever: oh. hm
[10:46] <stain> do you think you would be able to do it fast enough?
[10:46] <clever> booyaa|pi: http://scanlime.org/2011/04/spdif-digital-audio-on-a-microcontroller/
[10:47] <clever> stain: math says i need about 6mhz, and my tests have shown i can toggle the pin at ~22mhz
[10:47] <stain> but you've not tested with an oscillometer yet to see if the LED is up to it, have you?
[10:47] <stain> hm.. not the led, but the actual output.. would not the led also have fading issues?
[10:47] <stain> worth a try, though!
[10:48] <clever> stain: already put a scope on the gpio, 22mhz is the hard limit
[10:48] <stain> 22 Mhz is not bad though, very useful for lots of stuff
[10:48] <clever> and it was pretty ugly at 22mhz, the ringing was almost as long as the period
[10:48] <stain> you could almost be a walkie talkie
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[10:49] <clever> doesnt help that i had a 100mhz scope, so ~5 samples per cycle
[10:49] <PigFlu> im constantly getting small electrical shocks when i touch the side of my keyboard :/
[10:49] <stain> PigFlu: get a plastic keyboard!
[10:49] <PigFlu> its scary :(
[10:50] <trevorman> clever: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/Bihcgfcf.html
[10:50] <trevorman> clever: its c15 on the ARM11
[10:51] <ne2k> clever: are you suggesting that I plug an I2C device into the GPIO pins on the Pi, then?
[10:51] <clever> ne2k: an i2s audio device on the gpio header may give you better audio then a cheap usb adapter
[10:51] <stain> PigFlu: check your USB power supply for earthing faults - you should not get a shock from the USBs 5V!
[10:51] <ne2k> clever: and, I dare say, considerably less latency
[10:52] <Helldesk> better than
[10:52] <stain> probably floating earth - earth connected to neutral, and neutral/live switched up
[10:52] <Helldesk> never ever "then"!
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> Right. Penzance, here I come!
[10:52] <clever> stain: one of the sockets in my house has earth connected to hot
[10:52] <clever> stain: i never noticed until i ran an audio line across the room
[10:52] <stain> connected to.. 'hot'?
[10:53] <clever> stain: yes, 120vac between 'gnd' and a real 'gnd'
[10:53] <trevorman> clever: this is why everybody should buy a socket tester when moving into a new place or after having wiring done by somebody else :)
[10:53] <Helldesk> a dead short to ground?
[10:53] <clever> trevorman: it blew the socket tester up, in my hand
[10:53] <trevorman> lol
[10:53] <trevorman> thats one indication that something isn't right
[10:53] <clever> Helldesk: ground clearly isnt connected right, it the breaker would have blown
[10:54] <stain> well! There's something. I remember in our student house you could not connect your computer to the coaxial network and then connect the audio to an amplifier which was connected to the TV which was connected to the coaxial internal cable TV. 120V difference
[10:54] <ne2k> trevorman: in the UK only NICEIC-registered electricians are allowed to work on domestic wiring
[10:54] <clever> ive tried to fix it, the box in the wall is hot even when the wires arent touching it
[10:54] <trevorman> ne2k: part P is stupid
[10:54] <trevorman> massive loopholes in it anyway
[10:54] <clever> i think the metal shielding on the cable is hot
[10:54] <trevorman> you just need to ensure that the work is done to part p standards
[10:55] <Tachyon`> ne2k? are you sure about that?
[10:55] <trevorman> just beware if your work isn't actually up to scratch
[10:55] <ne2k> Tachyon`: no, I made it up
[10:55] <Tachyon`> oh right
[10:55] <Tachyon`> don't scare the shit out me
[10:55] <stain> it was impossible to track down as you would have to follow the coaxial cable into every of the 100 rooms and do a partial disconnect. The solution was to stretch ethernet cables and not worry about anymore about the different rooms having different ideas about what was ground
[10:55] <trevorman> -.-
[10:55] <clever> stain: ive seen similar problems with my digital cable boxes
[10:56] <clever> stain: the STB has no gnd on the power cord, and i often get a small buzz when i connect the cable line
[10:56] <stain> clever: you mean you disconnected the socket box from the circuit, and it was still hot?
[10:56] <Tachyon`> if I had to call in a bloody electrician every time I fitted a couple of sockets I'd have no money -.-
[10:56] <trevorman> Tachyon`: you are supposed to
[10:56] <clever> stain: yes, i removed the socket from the wall, made sure none of the wires touched anything
[10:56] <Tachyon`> really? ffs
[10:56] <clever> stain: and the box itself was still hot
[10:56] <stain> clever: yes, you are basically sharing a second ground connection through each of your neighbours
[10:56] <stain> clever: you just need one of them to have a dodgy washing machine or anything
[10:56] <Tachyon`> well, my dad was an electrician, I'm safe enough, just not qualified, heh
[10:57] <clever> stain: i didnt really verify, but i believe it was leakage into the STB case, leaving via the cable shield
[10:57] <clever> not leakage from the shield
[10:57] <trevorman> Tachyon`: if you follow it to the letter then you need to get a certificate and go on a training course
[10:57] <stain> in the UK you are allowed to do quite a lot of electiricy work, as long as it's not in the kitchen or bathroom. (there you can only replace)
[10:57] <trevorman> not now
[10:57] <stain> you can even extend an ring to a new room yourselv
[10:57] <trevorman> the loophole (which may have changed) is that it only stated it has to be to part p standard
[10:57] <clever> stain: any idea why the box in the wall would be hot when the lines are disconnected within the box?
[10:58] <clever> stain: we dont have any silly 'rings' in this country :P
[10:58] <stain> rings are great!
[10:58] <stain> saves lots of copper
[10:58] <Tachyon`> you don't use ring mains?
[10:58] <Tachyon`> what do you do?
[10:58] <stain> think of the war effort!
[10:58] <clever> stain: how exactly does a ring save copper?
[10:58] <stain> Tachyon`: branching is the standard in the rest of the world
[10:58] <PigFlu> svn co https://despotify.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/despotify despotify
[10:58] <PigFlu> cd despotify && make && make install
[10:58] <Tachyon`> oh wow, just wires radiating out from a centralised point?
[10:58] <PigFlu> ^ this says "no target specified and no makefile found. stop"
[10:58] <trevorman> stain: nope. that changed when part p came into effect
[10:58] <clever> stain: it feels like you would be using more copper to connect back to the source
[10:58] <stain> clever: because you can use thinner cables, half the load is supplied on the left side of the house, the other half on the right side
[10:59] <stain> that was why it was introduced in the UK
[10:59] <ne2k> clever: because you can have greater current-carrying capacity in a thinner cable
[10:59] <stain> of course it means that you can disconnect one half of the ring and not knowing until you have a fire in the wall on the other side
[10:59] <clever> half of that is probly just due to voltage, and half due to you effectively running 2 lines in parallel
[10:59] <trevorman> stain: the work has to be compliant to the building regs and you should in theory have a certificate done by a part p certified electrician
[11:00] <trevorman> its stupid IMO but *shrug*
[11:00] <PigFlu> ..anyone? :(
[11:00] <stain> trevorman: yes, of course it has to follow the regulations. But it does not have to be certified, just be 'a competent person'.
[11:00] <trevorman> stain: yup. thats the loophole
[11:01] <ne2k> PigFlu: do you not have to run configure or something like that?
[11:01] <clever> Tachyon`: its not always branching randomly like a tree, it also goes from one socket to the next, running down a wall
[11:01] <stain> as I've been wiring 230 V since I was 10 I must be competent
[11:01] <trevorman> the work has to be to spec but you can just say it is. the intent is that you're to get some electrician in tho.
[11:01] <clever> Tachyon`: it just doesnt u-turn and go back to the panel at the end
[11:01] <Tachyon`> ah right
[11:01] <PigFlu> ne2k: no i dont think so
[11:01] <PigFlu> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=137819
[11:01] <PigFlu> im trying to do what Patschi said
[11:01] <trevorman> stain: silly law anyway
[11:01] <PigFlu> i had the same problem as OP in that thread..
[11:01] <stain> the things I've fixed in my house are to a much better standard than what it came with from the 'professionals'
[11:02] <trevorman> unless its some massive wiring job and something goes wrong, nobody is ever going to want to see the certificate
[11:02] <Tachyon`> I've seen some scary shit in american properties, knob and tube I think it's called
[11:02] <trevorman> stain: yup. thats why I said to get a socket tester :)
[11:02] <stain> for instance - a socket in the kitchen behind the washing machine was placed straight on the floor, facing upwards. So when the drain of the washing machine was dripping a tiny bit, sparky sparky
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[11:02] <trevorman> thats certainly a novel place to fit a socket
[11:02] <Tachyon`> lol
[11:02] <Tachyon`> yes, tha tdoes sound a bit barking
[11:03] <PigFlu> ne2k: i was in the wrong directory
[11:03] <trevorman> walls? thats too mainstream! lets go for wet floor!
[11:03] <stain> well, it was behind the machine and partially under the fridge cabinet, so no-one would see it, right?
[11:04] <stain> so I replaced it with a regular industrial-strength metal thingie (like you would find in a shed), and put it 20cms up on the wall
[11:04] <stain> now that was allowed - because I was *replacing*
[11:04] <stain> but if I had changed the 3 sockets to 4 sockets it would be very dodgy
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[11:04] <trevorman> in unrelated matters, I'm surprised that http://www.firebox.com/product/5353/The-Mu-Folding-USB-Adapter actually got onto the market. so many designs like this have been talked about in the past but usually fall over when checked against the regs
[11:04] <clever> trevorman: isnt the pi an arm6, not an arm11?
[11:04] <Tachyon`> arm6, yes
[11:05] <trevorman> clever: ARMv6 = ARM11
[11:05] <xarragon> Is this the home improvement channel or raspberry pi? :-)
[11:05] <clever> trevorman: ah
[11:05] <Tachyon`> they need a less confusing numbering system
[11:05] <trevorman> ARM11 is an implementation of the ARMv6 spec
[11:05] <stain> perhaps I should mount the pi on the floor instead
[11:05] <clever> trevorman: so what is the difference between c15 and p15?
[11:06] <Weaselweb> Tachyon`: aarch64 is even more confusing
[11:06] <Tachyon`> there's 64 bit arms now?
[11:06] <ne2k> trevorman: regs don't tend to bother the chinese
[11:06] <clever> Tachyon`: yeah, less confusing :P
[11:06] <ne2k> trevorman: although that said, it does actually look like it's probably compliant
[11:06] <Tachyon`> thought they were generally 32 bit or 16 bit in thumb mode
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[11:07] <Tachyon`> yggdrasil, is that name from a JRPG because I'm damn sure I know it from somewehre
[11:07] <clever> Tachyon`: norse mythology
[11:07] <Weaselweb> Tachyon`: not in hardware, but i followed the first aarch64 (now arm64) patch for the linux kernel. hilarious this discussion about the naming scheme
[11:07] <Tachyon`> oh right, probably made it to an RPG then
[11:08] <Tachyon`> have I asked this before?
[11:08] <clever> Tachyon`: many shows
[11:08] <clever> Tachyon`: ive seen atleast one based on norse mytho
[11:08] <Tachyon`> Ah! My Goddess?
[11:08] <clever> Tachyon`: bingo!
[11:08] <Tachyon`> lol
[11:08] <yggdrasil> yes norse mythology.
[11:08] <Tachyon`> yes, I could do with skuld and her hammer here, given my code
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[11:09] <clever> Tachyon`: yeah, get those bugs!
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[11:09] <yggdrasil> so whats new with the pi ?
[11:13] <clever> yggdrasil: i'm trying to get spdif to work
[11:13] <trevorman> clever: the PMU is a coprocessor. p is coprocessor number. c is coprocessor register.
[11:14] <clever> trevorman: the compiler didnt like it when i used c15 in the code
[11:14] <clever> only p15 compiled
[11:14] <clever> /tmp/ccFI9j8q.s:31: Error: bad or missing co-processor number -- `mrc c15,0,r1,c15,c12,1'
[11:15] <clever> is it supposed to get both a coprocessor number and a coprocessor register?
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[11:15] <RaYmAn> clever: yes
[11:15] <trevorman> yes
[11:15] <clever> __asm__ volatile ("mrc p15, 0, %0, c15, c12, 1" : "=r"(cc)); would be valid then?
[11:16] <trevorman> yeah. afk a bit.
[11:17] <clever> hmmm, no fault this time
[11:18] <clever> but its 0 each time, i probly need to start it
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[11:20] <Dyskette> Hrm... How do I get apt to hold back and not try to upgrade a particular package?
[11:20] <clever> Dyskette: run the install command on only those you want to upgrade i believe
[11:21] <Dyskette> Aye, but that would mean they never get marked for auto-removal, wouldn't it?
[11:21] <Dyskette> Since they're no longer just installed as dependencies...
[11:21] <clever> theres probly a flag to not do that
[11:25] <clever> RaYmAn: i think its working.... the number went up
[11:25] <clever> *edits more*
[11:25] <Dyskette> Heh, the apt-get man page has an explanation of a flag for overriding a hold, but no mention of how to set one...
[11:25] <PigFlu> how come it says my filesystem is 1.8gb total? ive got a 4gb sd card
[11:26] <TheBrayn> did you expand the partitions?
[11:26] <PigFlu> ?
[11:26] <TheBrayn> did you write an image to your sd-card and then just boot it?
[11:26] <PigFlu> yes
[11:26] <TheBrayn> you'll have to expand the root partition first
[11:27] <Dyskette> PigFlu: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup
[11:27] <TheBrayn> use gparted or sth like this
[11:27] <PigFlu> can i do this now? or do i need to wipe it and start over
[11:27] <Dyskette> Or more specifically: http://elinux.org/RPi_Resize_Flash_Partitions
[11:27] <acausal> which distribution are you using?
[11:27] <Dyskette> PigFlu: you can resize the partition while the Pi is running :)
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[11:28] <Weaselweb> Dyskette: is this really a good idea?
[11:28] <acausal> i just used the raspbian setup menu to resize it :3
[11:28] <clever> RaYmAn: http://pastebin.com/sVYPSazu is the cycle counter supposed to be that unstable?
[11:28] <acausal> it does have to reboot though
[11:29] <clever> RaYmAn: i'm seeing an order of maginitude difference, when its within 1ms (acording to printk timestamps)
[11:30] <PigFlu> :)
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[11:32] <PigFlu> http://elinux.org/RPi_Resize_Flash_Partitions#Manually_resizing_the_SD_card_on_Raspberry_Pi <--- could someone give me a little more detail as to what exactly i should type?
[11:32] <PigFlu> do i follow those bulletpoints?
[11:33] <PigFlu> that first command doesnt even work
[11:33] <Dyskette> Weaselweb: it's pretty much just manually doing what raspi-config does.
[11:33] <Le0n> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4VovMDnsIE
[11:34] <Le0n> I did it accodring to this movie
[11:34] <Le0n> and everything worked just fine
[11:34] <clever> i just followed raspi-config when it booted up
[11:34] <Weaselweb> Dyskette: maybe. afaik it is problematic to change the filesystem you're running on
[11:34] <Weaselweb> especially when mounted rw
[11:34] <clever> Weaselweb: but that only changes the partition table, not the fs itself
[11:35] <Dyskette> (It's echo "<packagename> hold" | dpkg --set-selections as it turns out)
[11:35] <clever> i believe there are scripts on bootup to resize the fs while its read-only
[11:35] <Weaselweb> clever: ah, ic.
[11:35] <Dyskette> Weaselweb: and the freshly-written image on a sdcard is critical?
[11:36] <Dyskette> In the unlikely event you muck it up reflash the card and try again. No big deal.
[11:36] <PigFlu> Le0n: im trying to do it, but that first command doesnt work. it just lists the usage
[11:36] <Weaselweb> Dyskette: hehe, try and error :)
[11:36] <Dyskette> Weaselweb: perfect platform for it, really.
[11:37] <clever> ive already caused a couple hard lockups, without effecting the stability of any of my other systems
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[11:38] <Ryanteck> Hi
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[11:41] <rvl> hi, I have 3 hdd where /dev/sda2 has win7 /dev/sdb2 has linux /dev/sdc has nothing. When installing grub on /dev/sda using grub-install (grub2) and thereafter use grub-mkconfig (with os-prober preinstalled) it detects win 7 on /dev/sda and /dev/sdc and it does not detect arch on sdb
[11:41] <rvl> any ideas?
[11:41] <rvl> wrong chan sorry
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[11:44] <clever> RaYmAn: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0301h/Babbdhbf.html nice, now this i can kinda understand :D
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[11:56] <Jck_true> Any of you had luck with a splash screen?
[11:57] <Jck_true> Attempting to compile fbsplash as we speak - Guess we will know by then :)
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[12:14] <chickey999> anyone using distcc for compiling on a more powerful host ? i'm having issues with getting it setup
[12:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> I've used distcc on several RPi's
[12:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> I've not used it across differnt processor's etc.
[12:15] <chickey999> i found a guide online but i keep getting distcc[989] (dcc_writex) ERROR: failed to write: Connection reset by peer
[12:15] <chickey999> distcc[989] Warning: failed to distribute libavcodec/4xm.c to 192.168.0.51, running locally instead
[12:15] <Essobi> chickey999: I'm cross compiling... no distcc yet..
[12:15] <chickey999> ah i get ya
[12:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> ok let me see I made a post about distcc
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[12:15] <chickey999> it seems a great idea but just falling at the last hurdle
[12:15] <chickey999> i've actually just found another error in the logs
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[12:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=11776&p=127717&hilit=distcc#p127717
[12:16] <chickey999> ar/log/syslog:Aug 15 10:16:37 eplop distccd[10192]: (dcc_check_client) ERROR: connection from client '192.168.0.106:36638' denied by access list
[12:16] <chickey999> thanks RaTTus i'll go have a read
[12:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> you have to commetn out +zeroconf
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[12:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> kk
[12:17] <chickey999> yeah i've done that
[12:17] <chickey999> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=YrtntGtU
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[12:17] <chickey999> That was the guide i used, so close lol
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[12:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> basically - set it up to install at boot
[12:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> add in /etc/distcc/hosts the space seperated list of machines
[12:19] <chickey999> yup got them in there tried the whole network and also just the individual hosts too
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[12:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> and in /etc/defaults/distcc alldowednets to have your networking
[12:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> reboot everything
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[12:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> then you can tail -f /var/log/distcc.log
[12:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> then you can tail -f /var/log/distccd.log
[12:20] <chickey999> Thanks
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[12:21] <chickey999> been doing sudo grep distcc /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages /var/log/daemon to catch the logs, will check the ones you've mentioned
[12:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> I think they where apearing in daemon when you start from the copmmand line but distccd when rebooted ... got me addled for a bit
[12:22] <RaTTuS|BIG> back after coffee and meeting
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[12:28] <Essobi> So why use distcc instead of cross compile? need access to native libs?
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[12:32] <sam> Essobi: yes, it gives access to native headers without having to install them on the distcc guest
[12:33] <sam> I personally prefer full cross compilation though
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[12:38] <chickey999> i think i might end up trying that route too sam but i thought this was a nice neat way of doing it, or so i thought :)
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[12:40] <chickey999> btw if there are any plex users in here a few of us are trying to compile plex for the pi, any help is appreciated :)
[12:40] <chickey999> that's what i'm trying to get distcc setup for to speed up things
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[12:54] <PigFlu> when i start raspian i can ping google and ifconfig shows i have an address.. but when i startx, i cant ping google, and ifconfig doesnt show an inet address
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[12:55] <arfonzo> PigFlu: sounds like your desktop environment is re-configuring your NIC.
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[12:55] <arfonzo> Or trying to, anyhow.
[12:55] <PigFlu> how do i fix this?
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[13:02] <thrawed> PigFlu: don't startx
[13:02] <PigFlu> ok, but how do i play video then?
[13:03] <PigFlu> nothing happens when i plug in my flash drive either
[13:03] <chickey999> if you do an sudo fdisk -l and it should show the partitions and you can mount it by noting the volume name
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[13:19] <PigFlu> does anyone want to help me install despotify?
[13:19] <PigFlu> it says file not found "ilclient.h"
[13:20] <mru> despotify, to turn into a despot?
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[13:21] <PigFlu> please :(
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[13:24] <thrawed> PigFlu: put the full path in the include
[13:24] <thrawed> PigFlu: /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/ilclient/ilclient.h
[13:25] <PigFlu> put it where?
[13:25] <thrawed> in the include
[13:25] <PigFlu> ..where :(
[13:28] <ReggieUK> PigFlu, what's the method used to configure/install it?
[13:29] <PigFlu> make ?
[13:29] <OpenSys> hello
[13:29] <OpenSys> i have card errors
[13:29] <OpenSys> mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
[13:29] <thrawed> OpenSys: update to latest firmware
[13:30] <OpenSys> but then:
[13:30] <OpenSys> mmc0: Controller never released inhibit bit(s).
[13:30] <OpenSys> mmc0: problem reading SD Status register.
[13:30] <OpenSys> mmc0: new SDHC card at address b368
[13:30] <OpenSys> seams all ok
[13:30] <OpenSys> thrawed jtag ?
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[13:31] <thrawed> no
[13:31] <ReggieUK> PigFlu, edit Makefile.local.mk and edit lines 34/35 appropriately
[13:31] <OpenSys> i have kernel 3.2.18+
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[13:32] <OpenSys> this can be pass over with a extra kernel parameter ?
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[13:34] <Jck_true> "fatal error: magic.h: No such file or directory" <--- Is that a good or a bad error to get? :D
[13:34] <mru> fatal sounds pretty bad :)
[13:34] <mru> what were you doing?
[13:35] <Jck_true> Trying to compile Splashy
[13:35] <Jck_true> There's actually a debian pacakge--- "magic"
[13:35] <mru> well, you're missing magic.h
[13:35] <Jck_true> Lets see what that brings us
[13:36] <mru> over here magic.h comes from the 'file' tool
[13:36] <PigFlu> ReggieUK: edit them to what?
[13:36] <PigFlu> should i add another CFLAGS line?
[13:36] <Jck_true> mru: Sounds likely - Since it's included from splashy_config-functions.c:40:71:
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[13:37] <Jck_true> Hmm :S /usr/include/linux/magic.h
[13:37] <ReggieUK> edit the cflags line, change teh path to /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/ilclient/
[13:37] <mru> wrong magic
[13:37] <mru> or perhaps not
[13:37] <ReggieUK> CFLAGS += -I/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/ilclient/
[13:38] <mru> that's for identifying filesystems
[13:38] <ReggieUK> and possibly LDFLAGs += -I/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/ilclient/
[13:38] <Jck_true> This is for MIME detection
[13:38] <ReggieUK> and possibly LDFLAGs += -I/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/
[13:38] <mru> Jck_true: then linux/magic.h is wrong
[13:38] <ReggieUK> sorry, last one should be ok for ldflags
[13:38] <mru> you should install whatever package provides /usr/include/magic.h
[13:38] <ReggieUK> arrrrh
[13:38] <Jck_true> libmagic apprently
[13:39] <ReggieUK> and possibly LDFLAGs += -L/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/
[13:39] <mru> sounds reasonable
[13:39] <ReggieUK> it's -L for the ldflags line
[13:39] <ReggieUK> so just to recap
[13:39] <ReggieUK> CFLAGS += -I/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/ilclient/
[13:39] <ReggieUK> LDFLAGs += -L/opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/
[13:40] <Jck_true> mru: Bingo :) apt-get install libmagic-dev
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[13:41] <PigFlu> hmm ok
[13:41] <ReggieUK> I'm not saying it's definitely correct
[13:41] <mru> if it doesn't work, blame me... I created that library once upon a time
[13:41] <ReggieUK> but that's in general what you have to do to get it to see the necessary include file
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[13:42] <PigFlu> im still getting the same error
[13:42] <mru> I needed to identify file types so I split up the 'file' tool into a library and frontend
[13:42] <PigFlu> ilclient.h: no such file or directory
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[13:43] <Jck_true> mru: Did work - Now I'm only running into other problems... For some silly reason who ever created this package made sure that GCC fails even on warnings - and then they filled the code with warnings
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[13:44] <Jck_true> Like deprecated functions and variables that only gets set (Debugging variables)
[13:44] <mru> people adding -Werror to public source code should be stabbed
[13:44] <mru> search the makefiles for -Werror and remove it
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[13:45] <PigFlu> i googled my error, and this is exactly what happens: http://pastebin.com/HsihiYPA
[13:45] <Jck_true> mru: all warnings being treated as errors
[13:45] <mru> that's what -Werror does
[13:45] <mru> if you remove it, all should be fine
[13:45] <Jck_true> Lets kick it and see :)
[13:46] <mru> can't get worse
[13:46] <Jck_true> That was soooo much easier :D
[13:46] <Jck_true> I was fixing every warning myself :|
[13:46] <PigFlu> ReggieUK: i can see you've tried helping someone else with this problem :P
[13:46] <PigFlu> http://srv.datagutt1.com/index.php?date=2012-06-23
[13:49] <thrawed> PigFlu: Yes, most people run here with their trivial problems because they're too lazy to search, so the same questions keep getting asked over and over.
[13:50] <ReggieUK> thrawed, if you don't want to help, don't but don't troll the guy over asking for help
[13:52] <thrawed> ReggieUK: Who's trolling? I already answered his question.
[13:52] <PigFlu> i dont know what you mean by "the include"
[13:53] <thrawed> ReggieUK: And seriously, look up the definition of troll, while you're at it. Because this isn't it..
[13:53] <thrawed> Troll is such an overused term nowadays.
[13:54] <ReggieUK> you know what I meant
[13:54] <mru> we have a running joke over on #beagle: is google down today?
[13:54] <thrawed> mru: I don't get it.
[13:55] <thrawed> Oh right..
[13:55] <thrawed> I'm sloooow
[13:55] <ReggieUK> everyone is at a different skill level, searching on google for stuff that you're not really sure about doesn't always help
[13:55] <mru> yeah, beagle is much faster than pi :)
[13:55] <ReggieUK> this channel is here to support people
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[13:56] <mru> ReggieUK: I have little sympathy for people who DEMAND help NOW when pasting the error message into google would give the answer as the first hit
[13:57] <PigFlu> i added include /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/libs/ilclient/ilclient.h to the Makefile.local.mk file, and im still getting ilclient.h: no such file
[13:57] <mru> PigFlu: check the commands being run to make sure the flag is getting included properly
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[13:59] <ReggieUK> it may or may not get them the answer they want, they might actually need to know a litle more than just that fix
[13:59] <ReggieUK> like why it's doing it in the first place
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[14:03] <thrawed> ReggieUK: But it doesn't help anyone else.
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[14:04] <ReggieUK> how does it not help anyone else?
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[14:06] <thrawed> Because it's not static. So the same questions get asked over and over and over..
[14:07] <PigFlu> ok, i tried to install from a different source, and the process got a lot further.. but i got a permission denied error when it tried to make some file.. hmm.
[14:07] <[SLB]> there may also be people facing linux for the very first time thanks to the pi
[14:07] <Essobi> "may"?
[14:07] <Essobi> lulz
[14:07] <[SLB]> wut?
[14:08] <trevorman> clever: you get it to work?
[14:08] <PigFlu> i've luckily used linux a few times before at school.
[14:08] <thrawed> PigFlu: sudo
[14:09] <Essobi> I've been breakin *nix boxes since 88. :D
[14:09] <PigFlu> thrawed: i figured that out by myself ^_^
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[14:16] <Jck_true> mru: Thanks for the help- Sadly i'm getting some issues about shared libaries now - Think i'll let it rest till tomorrow
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[14:17] <PigFlu> wow, it actually works. it's playing music :DD
[14:17] <[SLB]> :D
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[14:17] <Jck_true> PigFlu: Enjoy the moment :) (And ignore how it took you 3 hours to accomplish something you did in 2 minuts on windows)
[14:18] <PigFlu> my journey started 3 days ago, my friend
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[14:18] <PigFlu> but yes, i am feeling pretty good right now :)
[14:18] <Habbie> yay! pibow just got delivered
[14:18] <Habbie> and it's fantastic
[14:19] <cornflake> what
[14:19] <cornflake> what's pibow
[14:19] <cornflake> i just got my rpi yesterday
[14:19] <cornflake> haven't had much time for play though ;(
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[14:21] <criten> Good morning!
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[14:23] <thrawed> PigFlu: and then you realise that the built-in 3.5mm audio out sucks
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[14:25] <PigFlu> yea, i literally just realized that
[14:25] <criten> cornflake: It's a case
[14:26] <thrawed> PigFlu: and so it's either hdmi or a usb dongle.
[14:26] <PigFlu> also, you have to type "pause" or "stop" between the second changes on the timeline thing :/
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[14:26] <criten> PigFlu: Did you end up resolving your networking issues last night?
[14:26] <PigFlu> oh yea, didnt think of that
[14:26] <PigFlu> hdmi carries the sound too
[14:26] <PigFlu> criten: no, not really
[14:27] <PigFlu> when i startx, my connection drops
[14:27] <criten> That's weird..
[14:27] <criten> I haven't really used X on the Pi... so i'
[14:27] <criten> i'm not much help there
[14:27] <thrawed> yeah, x sucks
[14:28] <criten> It doesn't suck.. the Pi just isn't really designed to have a great X experiance : P
[14:28] <ReggieUK> pigflu, you might want to check the forums, I believe there is a thread that covers that
[14:29] <thrawed> criten: unaccelerated x sucks
[14:29] <criten> thrawed: That is true... They will hopefully improve it in the future
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[14:30] <thrawed> criten: never going to happen
[14:31] <PigFlu> btw
[14:31] <PigFlu> i just realized there isnt any sound coming from the audio jack at all
[14:31] <criten> PigFlu: is it set to your default output?
[14:31] <PigFlu> ugh. i dont know..
[14:32] <thrawed> an alsa issue?
[14:33] <Jck_true> " error while loading shared libraries: libsplashycnf.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" HOW CAN IT NOT! The file is right there! It's right next to me!
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[14:47] <Generale_Russo> good day to all of you
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[14:48] <Generale_Russo> anyone ever got samba working on their raspi?
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[14:50] <sundancer> hi there.. does anyone know sip client for headless raspberrypi? im thinking about asterisk with /dev/dsp stuff but just wondering if anyone knows something more specific for this kind of work
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[14:51] <criten> sundancer: Is asterisk open source?
[14:51] <criten> yea it is.. nevermind
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[14:52] <criten> sundancer: you could probably get asterisk working.. It's kind of a pain to setup though
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[14:53] <sundancer> criten im familiar with asterisk, just wondering if there is anything else to satisfy my specific need :)
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[14:55] <criten> If your familiar with it then it's perfect : ]
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[14:57] <criten> sundancer: Probably not much help but here is a thread about it http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2104
[14:58] <criten> sundancer: probably more helpful http://www.raspberry-asterisk.org/
[14:58] <sundancer> thank you
[14:58] <criten> They seem to have an image with it all up and running! that's pretty awesome actually..
[15:00] <PigFlu> how do i actually shut down the pi? when i do shutdown now, i just get the login screen again
[15:00] <sundancer> shutdown -h now
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[15:00] <PigFlu> halt?
[15:00] <criten> yup
[15:00] <sundancer> yes
[15:01] <criten> you might need to run it as root...
[15:01] <Essobi> Oh god.
[15:01] <Essobi> Asterisk on the RPI.
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[15:01] <criten> Essobi: Is that a bad or good oh god? hahaha
[15:01] <sundancer> Essobi well what do you suggest? i want my 'pie' to act as SIP client and i dont have screen attached to it
[15:02] <Generale_Russo> nothing, i can't make this thing work!
[15:02] <Essobi> I worked in VoIP R&D for 7 years. I detest Asterisk.
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[15:02] <sundancer> Essobi im asking again: what do you suggest?
[15:02] <sundancer> :)
[15:03] <Essobi> Depends what you want to do, and if you have any experience doing such things.
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[15:05] <sundancer> Essobi i have 15 years of experience with network devices (routers, switches, firewalls, load balancers) and various unix systems... and yes setting up asterisk pbx to connect my parents house, my house and some of my roadwarrior friends out there over openvpn was one of my tasks
[15:05] <sundancer> and now i want raspberry pi in my kid's room to act as sip client so i can monitor if child is crying
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[15:06] <Essobi> sundancer: you'll need something for a mic... pi doesn't have one
[15:06] <sundancer> and the raspi is on a shelf without any display, only ethernet and speaker connected to it
[15:06] <sundancer> Essobi i know.. i will try some cheap usb sound cards
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[15:07] <sundancer> but im asking for software.. should i fiddle with asterisk or is there anything more appropriate for my need
[15:07] <Essobi> iirc, pjsip has a command line example uac.
[15:07] <sundancer> i have tried many softphones on unix but i always had GUI (X11 stuff)
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[15:12] <sundancer> Essobi thanks, looks promising for DIY :)
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[15:13] <Essobi> sundancer: you should be able to setup an autoanswer on there... get a sip client for your cell or what have you and call it.
[15:14] <Essobi> Then think of me everytime your child cries. :D
[15:14] <sundancer> :))
[15:15] <sundancer> in the morning i set up vlc with web interface, created some playlist with sleeping songs and fairy tales and installed vlc remote to girlfriend's android phone so she can handle playout :)
[15:16] <sundancer> because when i was installing cables and speakers in child's room she was whining about "that is going to be useless again because only you would geek into that with all that typing"
[15:17] <sundancer> and later she got angry because "whats this app on my phone"
[15:17] <Essobi> Haha..
[15:18] <Essobi> Pardon my french, but.. f'ing chicks man.
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[15:18] <sundancer> well then i set up icecast and with kid we were freaking mom out because she thought her son is in his room... but actually was sitting in front of my computer and fiddling with microphone :)
[15:19] <sundancer> and then i was thinking about more realtime audio transfer
[15:19] <Essobi> heh
[15:19] <sundancer> because icecast has about 5 seconds delay
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[15:19] <Essobi> well a uac should do it
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[15:19] <sundancer> depends of buffers and all
[15:19] <sundancer> yup
[15:19] <sundancer> thanks again
[15:20] <Essobi> no worries
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[15:23] <criten> Are there any decent video streamers besides mjpg-stream?
[15:23] <criten> maybe something that compresses it more...
[15:24] <sundancer> vlc, ffmpeg ?
[15:24] <criten> I'll play around with ffmpeg later when i get home i guess... VLC tends not to be "realtime" enough
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[15:25] <criten> mjpeg-streamer is only like .5s of lag
[15:25] <criten> if that.
[15:25] <Generale_Russo> hey guys, for some reason i setted Samba on the RPi and i can put/remove files from Windows to Rpi
[15:25] <sundancer> better compression means more buffering means more delay
[15:25] <Generale_Russo> but i can't see the shared folders from Windows xp from the RPI
[15:25] <Generale_Russo> i used the command smb:// etc
[15:25] <criten> Yea.. but if done right I think it could be better.. (like skype)
[15:25] <Generale_Russo> but doesn't even exist
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[15:31] <mikma> http://imgur.com/gallery/Ic54w <- mind blown
[15:31] <Generale_Russo> any idea guys?
[15:34] <Essobi> mikma: pretty slick
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[15:34] <PigFlu> when i try to open my flash drive, the file browser crashes
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[15:35] <PigFlu> the drive is FAT32
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[15:36] <TTSDA> Hi, is it possible to change the sdtv overscan settings without restarting the pi?
[15:36] <TTSDA> Like, reloading the GPU
[15:37] <Essobi> Nope.
[15:37] <TTSDA> Hmm
[15:37] <TTSDA> Ok, thanks
[15:38] <Generale_Russo> sorry for bother, but i ask again: how can i access WIndows shared folders from the RPI?
[15:38] <Generale_Russo> bothering*
[15:38] <TTSDA> You need to mount them
[15:39] <TTSDA> Try this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/access-windows-shares-from-linux/
[15:41] <Generale_Russo> but i can't access them directly?
[15:41] <Generale_Russo> like running the command smb://192.xxx.xxx.xxx?
[15:41] <TTSDA> I suppose
[15:41] <Generale_Russo> (but obviously doesn't work for me)
[15:41] <TTSDA> What is your distribution?
[15:42] <Generale_Russo> is the raspibian wheezy
[15:42] <TTSDA> Hmm, I don't know. Sorry
[15:42] <Generale_Russo> i actually installed samba to access RPi shared folders from Windows
[15:42] <Generale_Russo> and it works good
[15:43] <Jck_true> Generale_Russo: Now if only the USB driver worked as good so it wouldn't crash under load :)
[15:43] <mikma> http://mikma.eu/rpi/mount.txt <- that's what i do and works just fine
[15:43] <Weaselweb> does smbclient -L $ip actually show something?
[15:44] <Generale_Russo> lemme try
[15:44] <Generale_Russo> oh lol
[15:44] <Generale_Russo> i don't have smbclient
[15:44] <Generale_Russo> i guess i have to install it
[15:44] <criten> mikma: I like your cooking recep
[15:44] <criten> your cooking recipes
[15:45] <criten> :P
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[15:47] <mikma> criten: cool :)
[15:47] <mikma> maybe i should add the 3 minute (pot) brownie in there
[15:48] <Jck_true> What's the linux way of injecting keypresses?
[15:49] <Kripton> Jck_true, injecting where??
[15:49] <Weaselweb> pressing a key :)
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[15:49] <Generale_Russo> It works!
[15:49] <Generale_Russo> HELL YEA
[15:49] <Kripton> To one application? To the X-server? To wayland? To the kernel?
[15:49] <Generale_Russo> thanks a lot kind sir
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[15:49] <Kripton> many ways to inject keys
[15:50] <Jck_true> Kripton: To the kerneal preferable - I plan on parsing some Ascii input and based on the it I need to simulate a keyboard
[15:50] <Weaselweb> injecting sounds like a wrong way. better describe what you want to achive
[15:50] <Jck_true> Weaselweb: 4wire touch screen connected to an arduino that spits out X:Y on a terminal
[15:51] <ne2k> Jck_true: what function are you calling in your parsing code to get a keypress?
[15:51] <Jck_true> ne2k: - That's the code i'm working on right now - Using a table of X:Y coordinates that defines the "size" of my keys on the display
[15:52] <Generale_Russo> mikma that mount string works even with no Passowrd setted?
[15:52] <Generale_Russo> like i write nothing in it?
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[15:52] <ne2k> Jck_true: wrong end. which process is going to GET the keypress?
[15:52] <Jck_true> aka - If 0 < X > 50 && 0 < Y > 50 then UP
[15:52] <Kripton> Jck_true, so you are running in userspace and reading from first UART (ttyACM0?)
[15:53] <Jck_true> Kripton: Correct
[15:53] <Weaselweb> Generale_Russo: just omit the password=passwd part
[15:53] <Generale_Russo> ah ok, as i expected
[15:55] <Kripton> Jck_true, if it's okay for you to emulate events _for x-server only_ you might want to have a look here: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/simulating-a-mouse-click-594576/
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[15:55] <Jck_true> Kripton: I preffer to avoid Xserver - Since i wanna use it for a headless music player
[15:56] <Weaselweb> Jck_true: so you want to kinda emulate an usb keyboard?
[15:56] <Kripton> Jck_true, or you might want to go into kernel-space to create an event-based input device. That can be achieved be writing your own module based on other inout devices
[15:58] <Weaselweb> well, if it just for one application, i can just read fromm ttyACM0 and parse and use it itself. no use for kernel space driver
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[16:00] <Weaselweb> well, no need to emulate a keyboard at all
[16:01] <Jck_true> Weaselweb: Yeah - I plan to use the touch film for a touchscreen without a screen - Just have a peice of acrylic plastic with icons for channel up/down - Volume up/down
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[16:03] <Weaselweb> Jck_true: cool. you either need to convert some keycodes to you internal events. just skip this and just use your X:Y coordinates from serial
[16:03] <cornflake> what's the default root password for raspbian?
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[16:05] <Jck_true> Weaselweb: Correct - but wouldn't it be suitable to use MCE keys? Like the volume down stuff etc - And not worry about rewriting my program every time i come up with something new?
[16:05] <Weaselweb> what are MCE keys?
[16:06] <Weaselweb> nevermind
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[16:10] <Weaselweb> well, if you actually want to use an input device, like /dev/input/eventX. add a driver and write to it using struct input_event from your parser application and read from it from your actual program
[16:10] <Weaselweb> you can do both within one application, but why no daemon?
[16:11] <ne2k> cornflake: doesn't have one
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[16:12] <tcial> I want to make a home automation system using the RPI :D
[16:13] <Essobi> Ditto
[16:13] <Essobi> I was prototyping with an ARM920T before it died on me.
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[16:33] <passstab> heyo :)
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[16:36] <Generale_Russo> uhm, there is a reason that some mp3 files aren't played by LXMusic?
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[17:05] <gazzwi86> hi all
[17:06] <gazzwi86> I was wondering what the p2 and p3 pins can be used for, I'm afraid I don't know the technical term for them
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[17:06] <gazzwi86> they're marked p2 and p3 on the board in white writing
[17:07] <AC`97> i think one was used for gpu debugging
[17:07] <AC`97> other than that, i have no clue. i'm computer/electronics illiterate :|
[17:08] <Generale_Russo> anyone knows if i can play mp3 files in the RPI? i'm actually using LXMusic but works only for some files, not every mp3.
[17:08] <gazzwi86> So if I wanted to light up some LED's I would have to use the GPIO
[17:08] <AC`97> gazzwi86: yes. and use them carefully
[17:08] <AC`97> remember your current-limiting resistors!
[17:09] <gazzwi86> AC`97: So i need a ribbon and a breakout board?
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[17:09] <AC`97> or just wires with connectors
[17:09] <AC`97> or a soldering iron >:D
[17:12] <trevorman> gazzwi86: p2 is JTAG for the SoC. p3 is JTAG for the USB + ethernet chip. neither are particularly useful for us with the information we have.
[17:12] <trevorman> we're missing information necessary to use the SoC JTAG connection and the USB one is ehh not very useful
[17:13] <TTSDA> Hey guys. I connected my Raspberry Pi to an old TV with composite, and the image is flickering quite a bit (Looks like it is flashing really quick on and off). Is there a way to fix this?
[17:15] <trevorman> is it rolling?
[17:15] <Gadgetoid> trolling?
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[17:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> ttsda - you probbaly need to setup pal / ntsc and or overscan
[17:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[17:17] <trevorman> ^
[17:18] <TTSDA> I setup PAL
[17:18] <TTSDA> and overscan
[17:18] <TTSDA> It still does it
[17:18] <TTSDA> I am using xbian
[17:18] <TTSDA> If that matters
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[17:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> # Set stdv mode to PAL (as used in Europe)
[17:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> sdtv_mode=2
[17:19] <TTSDA> I did that
[17:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> and you have a PAL TV?
[17:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> you are in UK?#
[17:20] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=28 <- post as much info as possible in there
[17:22] <TTSDA> Portugal
[17:22] <TTSDA> Ok, i will
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[17:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=74 <- you may get soem help there also
[17:23] <RaTTuS|BIG> if no one else here can help that is
[17:23] <TTSDA> Thanks for the help! :)
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[17:40] <mikma> http://www.moddb.com/games/wolfram
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[17:44] <OpenSys> anyone used mcp23017 with LCDproc ?
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[17:49] <gazzwi86> what kind of ribbon do i need?
[17:49] <gazzwi86> I have a breadboard and male to male wires, but need a ribbon to connect the board and the pi together
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[17:54] <trevorman> gazzwi86: something like https://www.adafruit.com/products/914 or http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/jumper-wires-premium-150mm-mf-pack-of-10-p-909.html
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[17:55] <gazzwi86> trevorman: I ordered a breadboard from adafruit 3 weeks ago and it hasn't arrived
[17:55] <trevorman> hm. usually they're pretty good. you emailed them to check on it?
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[17:56] <gazzwi86> yeh, its been stuck in Jamaica apparently it should take 2 weeks to clear customs but its been there since the 28th of last month
[17:56] <trevorman> you want something like that anyway. little adapter board + ribbon cable, male-female jumper wires or make a ribbon cable but split one end of it
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[17:57] <gazzwi86> trevorman: I'm looking to make a ribbon cable now till the board arrives as i have a spare breadboard
[17:57] <gazzwi86> i just need to know which to get
[17:57] <gazzwi86> I'm looking on RS
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[17:57] <criten> gazzwi86: you can just use an old floppy cable
[17:57] <criten> gazzwi86: I think
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[17:58] <gazzwi86> criten: awesome
[17:58] <trevorman> yeah. floppy disk or really old PATA cable
[17:58] <criten> I just took some spare header that i had and made myself a header for the serial pins i needed
[17:59] <criten> worked pretty well
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[17:59] <cornflake> ne2k: when I try to su root and leave password blank, it says it can't authenticate
[18:00] <criten> cornflake: try sudo -s
[18:00] <ne2k> cornflake: sudo -i
[18:00] <criten> ^^ that
[18:00] <cornflake> k ty
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[18:01] <cornflake> i know what -s is but what does -i do?
[18:01] <criten> cornflake: http://ss64.com/bash/sudo.html
[18:03] <criten> bye everyone.... end of my work day : ]
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[18:25] <AthomIk> hello
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[18:26] <IT_Sean> .
[18:26] <AthomIk> i have a raspbian with installer systeme, but if i run rpi-update, systeme not run
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[18:27] <AthomIk> humm 3 days before
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[18:29] <AthomIk> and if i run /opt/vc/bin/tvservice xxx system say cannot find, but it s exist ???
[18:30] <AthomIk> because i wanna have a 1024x768 on tv for wesntoh playing
[18:30] <AthomIk> else very not speed
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[18:33] <AthomIk> why tvservice cannot run, all cmd work.....
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[18:34] <AthomIk> my system is on hdd only boot on sd
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[18:37] <AthomIk> LOL
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[19:24] <miceiken> is it possible to choose a different destination with apt-get?
[19:24] <miceiken> considering raspberry pi's sd card is so small
[19:24] <miceiken> i want to install this one think on an external harddrive
[19:24] <muep> packages kind of expect to be installed to specific locations
[19:24] <mongrelion> booyaa: ping
[19:25] <muep> the package management tools themselves can be directed to extract stuff to some other root, but the things included in them are designed to place things where they place things
[19:25] <miceiken> hmm so my only option is to compile it myself?
[19:25] <muep> get more space
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[19:29] <miceiken> I have 4 GB, running XBMC, in addition I want to have sickbeard and sabnzbd - I know I can put sickbeard on the external HD, but not sure about sabnzbd
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[19:31] <trevorman> install it normally and look to see how you tell sabnzbd to save stuff to another location
[19:31] <trevorman> sabnzbd itself can't be that big
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[19:33] <axion> of course, farnell put me on back order despite them supposedly having them in
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[19:33] <home> hey... XD
[19:33] <home> what are you guys using to web browse?
[19:33] <mongrelion> hey home
[19:33] <home> I am using chrome...on bodhilinux..
[19:33] <home> seems fine
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[19:58] <criten> ls
[19:58] <criten> DANG
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[20:16] <AC`97> ZZZzzZzzz
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[20:19] <AC`97> i'm amazed. my pi is running on 4.3V
[20:19] <AC`97> no crashes yet
[20:19] <AC`97> i have a half watt wifi adapter connected directly to the usb port too
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[20:20] <teus_> hohoho
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[20:27] <Helldesk> what's the latest on the dropped USB packet bug that was reported some weeks back?
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[20:29] <Kripton> Helldesk, some days ago, a kernel-patch was reverted
[20:30] <Kripton> but it didn't help me much, still dropping USB packets
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[20:31] <Helldesk> thanks; any word from broadcom or the foundation?
[20:31] <Kripton> not that I've heard
[20:32] <Helldesk> any idea how widely the same usb otg library is used in other devices?
[20:32] <Helldesk> or driver, whatever it is
[20:32] <Kripton> here's the current status: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/pull/83#issuecomment-7761361
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[20:34] <Helldesk> great, thank you - I'll keep an eye on it there
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[20:40] <friggle> Helldesk: very widely used, but mostly in device mode
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[20:48] <AC`97> wheee~
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[21:36] <loadbang> CTRL-C is probably the most useful of the above sequences, coming to the rescue whenever a user is feeling "JUST F*****G MAKE IT STOP!"
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[21:36] <janelwang> Hello, anyone knows what's a better image to use for Pi: arch linux arm v QtonPi
[21:36] <loadbang> from my Red Hat course book.
[21:37] <janelwang> I'd like to make games with Python
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[21:37] <friggle> janelwang: qtonpi needs to be removed from the download page, it's dead
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[21:37] <janelwang> friggle: oh thanks...good to know
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[21:41] <plugwash> raspbian FTW ;)
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[21:47] <loadbang> is freenode having problems?
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[21:48] * plugwash can't say he has noticed any
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[21:48] <loadbang> the mass lines of ping timeouts in all rooms.
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[21:49] * plugwash bets it's just one server being unstable
[21:49] <plugwash> which seems to be pretty much situation normal on irc
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[21:58] <dennistlg> ^^
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[22:46] <shadylog> arch linux ftw
[22:46] <shadylog> !
[22:46] <Helldesk> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/pull/85
[22:46] * AC`97 <3 archlinux
[22:47] <bertrik> Helldesk: would an rpi-update get the latest binary for this change?
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[22:48] <Helldesk> not right now, he did say "later tonight"
[22:48] <Essobi> Are there any rpi dev channels?
[22:49] <AC`97> this is probably it??
[22:49] <markllama> #raspberrypi-dev ?
[22:49] <Essobi> Found it already. :D
[22:49] <bertrik> I'm seeing a similar commit at https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware/commits/master
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[22:50] <bertrik> there's apparently a new kernel.img there
[22:51] * bertrik tries anyway
[22:52] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tujwWFI3KrMnf9JGmx801vDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
[22:52] <AC`97> ^ lol custom antenna
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[22:53] <Helldesk> what about the custom clip that holds the heatsink down by trying to yank the connectors off :)
[22:53] <AC`97> paperclips? ^_^
[22:53] <AC`97> not much pressure, but better than nothing (and having it short when it falls off)
[22:55] <Essobi> uhh... somehow.. that looks like a bad idea, pulling on components not designed to do that
[22:55] <bertrik> meh, never had rpi-update result in a bootable system yet
[22:55] <AC`97> Essobi: but they're pretty sturdy
[22:56] <Helldesk> rpi-update? wasn't it deprecated over a month ago?
[22:56] <bertrik> I don't know
[22:56] <AC`97> i've seen a "enclosure" where someone used the composite out as a mount
[22:56] <Helldesk> everything updates via apt-get on the default debian
[22:56] <bertrik> how else the latest stuff?
[22:56] <Helldesk> AC`97: at least it has the sturdiest wave soldered blobs of them all, so it's ok
[22:57] <Helldesk> bertrik: it does everything, including the kernel and the firmware modules
[22:57] <shadylog> *COUGH* everything pacman -Syu on arch linux *COUGH*
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[22:57] <Helldesk> just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[22:57] <bertrik> I haven't seen an update like that as far as I can remember
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[22:58] <Helldesk> in any case rpi-update isn't used anymore
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[22:59] <AC`97> 1250MHz woooo~
[22:59] <Helldesk> don't know about every distro, I've only got the debian and openelec
[22:59] <shadylog> whaa 1250mhz
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[22:59] <AC`97> a tidbit faster than my pogoplug XD
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[22:59] <[SLB]> rpi-update isn't used anymore?
[23:00] <TeeCee> I thought rpi-update was included in the "stable" Raspbian release? At least something started automatically at my first boot...
[23:00] <[SLB]> no that was raspi-config
[23:00] <TeeCee> Seems legit
[23:01] <TeeCee> Seemed more like a config than update.. :p
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[23:01] <[SLB]> eheh
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[23:01] <bertrik> bah, this is disappointing, can't fix boot anymore
[23:01] <bertrik> maybe a note/warning on the website about this would be appropriate
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[23:05] <bertrik> shadylog: how recent is the stuff you get with that?
[23:06] <shadylog> arch linux arm?
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[23:07] <cornflake> anyone here using ndiswrapper?
[23:07] <shadylog> alarm/raspberrypi-firmware 20120807-1 [installed]
[23:07] <AC`97> eww ndiswrapper
[23:07] <axion> double eww
[23:07] <bertrik> shadylog: I don't understand your question
[23:07] <shadylog> triple eww
[23:07] <shadylog> bertrik: What do you mean with stuff ?
[23:07] <cornflake> yeah i know
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[23:07] <cornflake> killing me over here
[23:08] <cornflake> broadcom chipset in a linksys usb adapter
[23:08] <cornflake> bcm432**
[23:08] <AC`97> toss it. buy a new one for $3-5 on ebay
[23:08] <cornflake> yep
[23:08] <cornflake> that's what i'm thinking
[23:08] <cornflake> loading all this shit on here is kind of defeating the purpose
[23:08] <cornflake> oops
[23:09] <cornflake> sorry forgot about the foul language rule
[23:09] <bertrik> shadylog: I mean the latest kernel and latest start.elf
[23:09] <axion> which chipset exactly?
[23:09] <cornflake> bcm43235
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[23:09] <shadylog> I don't know. But arch linux is generally bleeding edge as soon as something works you have it
[23:09] <AC`97> as soon as someone writes a driver you have it.
[23:09] <shadylog> kernel is:
[23:09] <shadylog> core/linux-headers-raspberrypi 3.1.9-33 [installed]
[23:10] <shadylog> pacman -S ql
[23:10] <shadylog> w00ps sorry typo
[23:10] <bertrik> I want the 20120815
[23:10] <cornflake> any ideas axion?
[23:11] <axion> maybe kernel module brcmfmac
[23:11] <cornflake> worse comes to worst i'll buy a new one and next time someone comes to me with a busted wifi adapter in their laptop i'll sell it to them
[23:11] <cornflake> i'll check it out, thanks bud
[23:11] <AC`97> 33% chance of working
[23:11] <shadylog> bertrik: cool thing is you can install/build the package very easily.. I just haven't worked out how :)
[23:13] <axion> cornflake: which revision do you have?
[23:13] <axion> lspci should say
[23:13] <AC`97> lsusb*
[23:14] <axion> yeah
[23:14] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[23:15] <shadylog> bertrik: and you can always compile your kernel
[23:16] <bertrik> shadylog: I think I have it working now, with hexxeh's binaries
[23:17] <shadylog> bertrik: cool :)
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[23:22] <cornflake> must be 1.0
[23:22] <cornflake> or something
[23:22] <cornflake> because it just lists the chipset
[23:22] <cornflake> too old for brcmfmac
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[23:28] <[SLB]> is there a file in debian that contains info about the boots date/time?
[23:29] <[SLB]> i see it's shown in the hardinfo utility, so i guess they must be stored somewhere
[23:29] <shadylog> "uptime" command?
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[23:30] <axion> its in a virtual filesystem exposed at /proc/uptime
[23:30] <[SLB]> the history of boots? hm
[23:30] <[SLB]> checking
[23:30] <shadylog> no sorry not the history of boots
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[23:30] <axion> there is no history of boots, only logins
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[23:31] <axion> last or lastlog commands
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[23:33] <[SLB]> thanks, last helped :)
[23:33] <axion> not sure where wtmp is on debian, but it reads that
[23:33] <bertrik> "Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #278 PREEMPT Wed Aug 15 20:59:07 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux" \o/
[23:33] <thrawed> ooo new firmware
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[23:33] <axion> its in a binary format youd have to parse however
[23:33] <[SLB]> yes thanks eheh, found that and made bash yell at me :3
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[23:34] <[SLB]> bertrik, via rpi-update?
[23:36] <bertrik> I tried rpi-update which left my rpi unbootable, then manually updated the binaries on the SD card from the github binaries
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[23:36] <[SLB]> hm
[23:36] <[SLB]> just ran the upgrade
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[23:36] <[SLB]> libraspberrypi-bin libraspberrypi-dev libraspberrypi-doc libraspberrypi0
[23:36] <[SLB]> raspberrypi-bootloader
[23:36] <[SLB]> i take it's raspberrypi-bootloader
[23:37] <thrawed> Rebuild with updated 2.94a USB driver. Add CONFIG_CRYPTO_XTS module
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[23:40] <wizardskills> hi guys
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[23:42] <TeeCee> Hi Mr. Wizard Skills
[23:42] <wizardskills> just got irc working on my pi :)
[23:43] <TeeCee> piRC?
[23:43] <thrawed> irssi ftw
[23:43] <wizardskills> irssi, never used it before
[23:44] <huene> irssi rocks :)
[23:44] <[SLB]> i got lost earlier with windows splitting, lol, but fixed it eheh
[23:44] <wizardskills> haha
[23:45] <TeeCee> Some people swear to WeeChat rather than irssi... I have still not converted yet.. :p
[23:45] <wizardskills> is there a way of setting it up to always use my nickname without using the -n in the launc parameters?
[23:45] <huene> sure
[23:46] <huene> edit ~/.irssi/config
[23:46] <[SLB]> /set nick
[23:46] <TeeCee> but remember to /save
[23:48] <axion> TeeCee: weechat is awesome. i converted from irssi about 3 years ago...love it
[23:48] <[SLB]> oh weechat looks nice
[23:48] <axion> it ha its own package manager for scripts
[23:48] <wizardskills> *goes to check out weechat*
[23:49] <axion> make sure you run it in tmux :P
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[23:49] <dreamer> pom
[23:50] <dreamer> hi all
[23:50] <axion> heya
[23:50] <dreamer> I'm trying to rebuild http://tech2077.blogspot.com/2012/06/running-hd44780-lcd-over-i2c-on.html but I'm heaving some trouble with the wiring. there's no clear schematic. any ideas?
[23:50] <wizardskills> hi
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[23:51] <wizardskills> will tmux run on the pi?
[23:52] <Essobi> .... ofcourse.
[23:52] <dreamer> wizardskills: why not?
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[23:52] <dreamer> wizardskills: I'm using it on rasbian as we speak
[23:52] <dreamer> just get it from apt
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[23:53] <wizardskills> ah ok cool, im a bit of a linux n00b :P
[23:53] <dreamer> which distro are you running?
[23:53] <dreamer> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qEhLV-_Rf1w/T-Vt_HVc6UI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/AmlAB6omm2E/s1600/IMG_0032.JPG << I really can't make this out
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[23:54] <wizardskills> raspbian
[23:54] <thrawed> dreamer: I think the guys who build them into replicated adafruit cases documented their process on a blog or something
[23:55] <dreamer> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/category/raspberry-pi/ << aha!
[23:55] <dreamer> but no
[23:55] <dreamer> I'm trying to use the same i2c expander
[23:55] <dreamer> and using an hd44780 screen
[23:56] <thrawed> dreamer: No I mean, adafruit built the cases
[23:56] <thrawed> dreamer: this any help? http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/07/16x2-lcd-module-control-using-python/
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[23:58] <dreamer> thrawed: no
[23:58] <dreamer> thrawed: because I'm using an i2c expander
[23:58] <dreamer> I'm not wiring to the gpio directly
[23:59] <dreamer> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EHiWcL14bxQ/T-Vtd2WifZI/AAAAAAAAAd4/KKuyLO4iRCw/s1600/IMG_0020.JPG
[23:59] <dreamer> ^ not my pic

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