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IRC Log for 2012-08-17

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[0:00] <elspuddy> hmm, how do i find out if iv installed php right ?
[0:01] <plugwash> by trying to use it
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[0:01] <elspuddy> well iv uploaded raspconrole to the web folder, and index.php shows me nothing but a blank page
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[0:03] <marcusw> duckinator: so a simple case of fs corruption, huh? well, it is FAT, so...
[0:03] <marcusw> did you actually reboot it or just pull the plug?
[0:03] <Squirm> elspuddy: pleasure
[0:04] <duckinator> marcusw: i'd done many reboots yesterday w/out issue, did an actual shutdown last night. (`sudo shutdown -h now` -- guess i should've `sync`ed first?)
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[0:04] <[SLB]> i shutdown with sudo poweroff, just btw
[0:08] <loadbang> sdtv_mode=2 in config.txt worked
[0:09] <marcusw> duckinator: no, what you did was fine
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[0:11] <yarekt> man reading/writing from SD card is slow
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[0:14] <marcusw> depends on the card...
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[0:15] <yarekt> any tips on good makes ?
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[0:21] <mru> sandisk
[0:22] <trumee> what is #278 in this post, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=14696 ?
[0:22] <mru> probably the #nnn printed by uname -a
[0:22] <mru> i.e. completely meaningless
[0:23] <mru> it's just a counter for how many times you've built a kernel in a particular tree
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[0:23] <mru> or how many times you've built with a new config, even
[0:24] <trumee> mru, how can i get the latest kernel?
[0:24] <trumee> i thought #278 some sort of git revision number
[0:25] <mru> it's not
[0:25] <Amadiro> trumee, git doesn't have revision numbers like svn
[0:25] <mru> git does not have revision numbers
[0:25] <Amadiro> trumee, since it's distributed it's kinda hard to define which "number" a revision has (instead, they just have hashes)
[0:25] <elspuddy> looks like i got the wrong version of php installed, how do i upgrade from php 5.3.3 to 5.4 ?
[0:26] <Amadiro> elspuddy, well, which distribution do you use? raspbian?
[0:26] <trumee> is there a bugzilla for RPi snd-usb-audio?
[0:27] <elspuddy> Amadiro, debin squeese
[0:28] <yarekt> Amadiro: Finally managed to get the log out, This is the last run: http://files.yarekt.co.uk/files/log.txt
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[0:30] <yarekt> Does this look indicative of bad power supply? I'm surprised that my setup can't even power its own Ethernet port, yet the thing boots absolutely fine
[0:31] <TeeCee> Hmm... performing a 'apt-get upgrade' on my Pi now... It's in a remote location, and it's been up for 6 days... Wonder how this will be going...
[0:31] <mru> yarekt: could be
[0:32] <mru> only way to know for sure is to measure it
[0:32] <yarekt> Amadiro: My power cable looks like its from a phone (looks quite sturdy tho)
[0:32] <mru> or try another and see if that's better
[0:32] <Amadiro> yarekt, interesting... looks like the lan interface actually interfaces with the broadcomm chip using usb...
[0:32] <Amadiro> I was not aware of that
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[0:32] <Amadiro> in any case, it seems to lose the connection
[0:32] <yarekt> Amadiro: yea, thats why both usbs and ethernet didn't work
[0:32] <yarekt> properly anyway
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[0:32] <Amadiro> or actually, looks like the smsc chip is both a usb hub and ethernet controller...
[0:33] <mru> do you have a decent multimeter with min/max detection?
[0:33] <yarekt> mru: I don't have a multimeter. I was just thinking about ordering a psu from amazon, they must have some decent ones
[0:33] <mru> I wouldn't count on anything from amazon being decent
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[0:33] <yarekt> It can't be *that* picky, can it?
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[0:34] <Amadiro> yarekt, I drive mine from a samsung galaxy phone charger, works fine.
[0:35] <elspuddy> im running mine off a usb powred hub
[0:35] <yarekt> Im still sceptical tho. The cable looks like its from a phone, so it must be able to charge it, and my charger is 1A iphone one, that works well cause I use it
[0:35] <Amadiro> yarekt, in any case, the logs are not very detailed, but it seems the smsc looses connection to the broadcom SoC, which might be because it's broken or because it doesn't get enough power (but then, why does the rest of the system seem to work fine?)
[0:35] <yarekt> elspuddy: and Ethernet works without problems?
[0:35] <yarekt> I'm going to ring farnell tomorrow. Looks like its defective =(
[0:37] <elspuddy> yarekt, only if i dont startx
[0:37] <yarekt> Thanks for the help anyway
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[0:37] <elspuddy> if i start x, no network
[0:37] <yarekt> elspuddy: What happens if you do?
[0:38] <yarekt> Do the LED's on the board go off as well. Is it intermittent like mine or just gives up ?
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[0:38] <elspuddy> nope, the lights stay on
[0:39] <elspuddy> the only time thay went off is when i used a maplins 5a phone charger
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[0:39] <elspuddy> then the pi just crash's randomley, lights goes off bar the power one
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[0:50] <elspuddy> how do i find out what iv installed ?
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[0:51] <btcbuy314> anyone burned the arch linux img to an sd card for raspberry pi using linux? using dd command? how long did it take for the copy to finish
[0:51] <fredreichbier> couple of minutes for me
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[0:52] <mranostay> my fire insurance won't cover that
[0:52] <btcbuy314> mines been going for like 5 minutes how fast of a computer were you on?
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[0:55] <btcbuy314> does the raspberry pi show anything on screen with no sd card inserted?
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[1:08] <Amadiro> btcbuy314, sd cards aren't fast, but if you specify a larger blocksize when using dd, it'll probably go faster
[1:08] <Amadiro> btcbuy314, might be that dd per default uses a single byte or something absurdly small like that as blocksize
[1:09] <loadbang> sd cards are slow and do not last long.
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[1:09] <loadbang> never had one last more than 3-4 months in embedded devices.
[1:10] <Amadiro> btcbuy314, looks like it reads and writes 512 bytes at a time. You can try something like "bs=16M" or so, and it should be faster
[1:10] <Amadiro> loadbang, mount them readonly, I guess?
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[1:12] <loadbang> almost all cards have no wear levels, any form of error correction and no tables of damaged blocks.
[1:12] <duckinator> w00t, my Pi has working X11 and ALSA working now \o/
[1:13] <duckinator> now, brb, then time for pulseaudio
[1:13] <loadbang> CF cards on the other hand.
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[1:13] <loadbang> wear levelling*
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[1:22] <mru> loadbang: sd cards certainly have wear levelling
[1:22] <mru> granted, some better than others
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[1:22] <elspuddy> any one know how to update to php5.4 on the pi ?
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[1:24] <nx5_off> hi
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[1:24] <nx5> what's the kernel headers package called in raspbian?
[1:25] <Jungle-Boogie> elspuddy, you can download php using wget from here and install from source http://www.php.net/downloads.php
[1:25] <Amadiro> nx5, linux-headers-something-something
[1:25] <Amadiro> you probably want linux-headers-3.2.0-3-rpi or so
[1:27] <nx5> great, thanks
[1:29] <elspuddy> thanks Jungle-Boogie :) was hoping not to compile for soruce :)
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[1:31] <Jungle-Boogie> yeah, it can be a drag but IME, the package manager needs to be updated with the newest version of a software prior to you being able to just apt-get update or even with pacman
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[1:33] <plugwash> elspuddy, what distro are you running?
[1:34] <elspuddy> plugwash, debin squeaze
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[1:35] <plugwash> do you absoloutely need 5.4?
[1:36] <elspuddy> yes, i want to try out this rasbcontrole thing
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[1:37] * plugwash has never even heard of it
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[1:38] <Jungle-Boogie> what phph -v you have now?
[1:38] <elspuddy> php 5.3.3-7+squeeze8
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[1:41] <Jungle-Boogie> i'm not sure if the wheezy ver is more current so from source would be the best solution. the sooner you start, the sooner you will be finished :)
[1:44] <plugwash> from source is generally a bad idea for stuff that integrates with other software like php does
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[1:44] <plugwash> if you really need 5.4 my reccomendation would be to move to wheezy
[1:45] <elspuddy> guesing make, make install ?
[1:46] <Jungle-Boogie> wheezy does have newest php?
[1:49] <plugwash> Jungle-Boogie, well it's one microversion off the latest currently
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[1:50] <nx5> hmm
[1:51] <nx5> why am I finding only 3.2 packages when i have a 3.1.9 kernel?
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[1:51] <Jungle-Boogie> cool, plugwash
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[1:55] <plugwash> nx5, because the foundation's kernel is not built or distributed in the debian way, it's crossbuilt and distributed in one big package along with the firmware
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[1:55] <nx5> in arch it wasn't such a pain in the ass to compile a kernel module
[1:55] <plugwash> the packages you are seeing are my attempts at buiding a kernel based on bootc's sources, unfortunatley I found them too unstable to be usable
[1:56] <nx5> i'm sick tired of looking for a kernel, not finding the one i have, having to configure one, then back to squate one,e tc etc... pain
[1:58] <nx5> and this is all because the realtek driver there is doesn't work with certain realket chips. the one from the realtek website works
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[2:03] <hadifarnoud> is there any JVM for Pi?
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[2:03] <hadifarnoud> I wonder if I can run ted http://www.ted.nu/download
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[2:04] <elspuddy> o.k i give up, i cant figure out how to install or make
[2:04] <GriffenJBS> elspuddy: on what?
[2:04] <GriffenJBS> ahh php, nvm
[2:04] <elspuddy> php 5.4 on debin squeaze
[2:05] <plugwash> hadifarnoud, when asking questions like this please tell us what distro you are running
[2:05] <hadifarnoud> sorry plugwash Raspbian
[2:06] <Amadiro> hadifarnoud, from a quick google search, it looks like OpenJDK runs
[2:06] <plugwash> openjdk-6 will run but it is slow as they it is running interpreter based ports, not sure about openjdk-7
[2:06] <Amadiro> hadifarnoud, and from a quick apt-cache search, it looks like icedtea is available as well
[2:06] <hadifarnoud> cool, would be great to have ted with XBMC
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[2:10] <hadifarnoud> it says JRE-5.0 as requirement. is openjdk 6 or icedtea able to run it?
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[2:11] <Amadiro> hadifarnoud, sounds like it should, but there is no way to know for sure other than trying :)
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[2:11] <home> anyone overclocked their pi to 1ghz? without overvolting
[2:11] <home> I am pretty close at 900mhz
[2:11] <hadifarnoud> awesome. I give it a try Amadiro
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[2:12] <Amadiro> home, from what I've read so far, without overvolting something like 800-900MHz is the highest you can go before it getting unstable
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[2:12] <dan408> wooo i just won a raspberry pi! :)
[2:13] <Amadiro> home, if you have it on 900MHz, try running some intensive things like a compiling process or video playback and see if it browns out
[2:15] <nx5> why would you overclock the cpu?
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[2:15] <Amadiro> nx5, boredom, I guess
[2:15] <dan408> heat
[2:15] <dan408> if you're cold in the winter
[2:15] <dan408> CPU's provide great heat.
[2:16] <dan408> and performance
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[2:16] <elspuddy> right i'm off to bed, nnn, and hanks for the help :)
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[2:16] <home> anyone got 1ghz overclock without overvolting?
[2:16] <home> also, what can I overclock?
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[2:18] <Amadiro> home, you can manipulate the values arm_freq, gpu_freq, core_freq, h264_freq, isp_freq, v3d_freq, sdram_freq, over_voltage, over_voltage_sdram, over_voltage_sdram_c, over_voltage_sdram_i and over_voltage_sdram_p in /boot/config.txt
[2:18] <home> Amadiro: thx...what are some general value for core freq and sdram freq?
[2:19] <home> I need sdram_freq value..
[2:19] <Amadiro> home, see See http://www.senab.co.uk/2012/05/29/raspberry-pi-overclocking/ and http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt and what I said earlier
[2:19] <home> so far got arm_freq=900, and core_freq=375, but what should sdram_freq be?
[2:19] <home> I cant open links XD so
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[2:20] <Amadiro> home, sdram_freq is 400MHz
[2:21] <home> is that the standard frequenc
[2:21] <home> is that the standard frequency?
[2:21] <home> can I up it to..lets say 450?
[2:21] <home> or 500?
[2:21] <Amadiro> home, what's the point of overclocking if you have to ask
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[2:21] <Amadiro> Just try it and blow shit up
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[2:24] <home> Amadiro: I have to ask, since I dont know -.-
[2:25] <home> Amadiro: I oced the other values...and have them tested to be stable..
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[2:30] <nx5> ah.. finally... module for rtl 8188 compiled
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[2:35] <Helldesk> hmm, apt cannot authenticate a package called qt50-snapshot
[2:36] <Helldesk> can I upgrade only the rest somehow?
[2:36] <Amadiro> Helldesk, on raspbian?
[2:37] <Amadiro> Mine doesn't seem to have any package named that (or anything with "qt50" in the name, for that matter)
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[2:39] <Helldesk> wheezy
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[3:20] <Remowylliams> hello everyone. is there a way to start the raspbian so the configure screen comes up?
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[3:21] <plugwash> the configure screen you are talking about is a program called rpi-update
[3:21] <plugwash> i'm not sure how it's triggered to come up on first boot but you can always start it manually
[3:24] <Remowylliams> plugwash: umm find / -name rpi-update finds nothing but thank you
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[3:25] <plugwash> sorry it's rpi-config not rpi-update
[3:25] * plugwash is getting tierd
[3:26] <Remowylliams> plugwash: it's sokay think it vanished when I resized the partition
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[3:51] <threeball> hi, is this an appropriate place to ask for help, or is there a better channel?
[3:52] <dan408> here is fine
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[3:56] <threeball> thanks. i have two pis. both are giving me the same problem. i've hooked it up to a little 22 inch tv (hdmi) and the picture is red and it flashes (picture/no picture). i've tried using the hdmi boost and hdmi mode tags in the config file with no better luck. i'm hoping someone in here may know something that can help me get this working.
[3:56] * mranostay yawns
[3:58] <phire> try hdmi_safe=1
[3:59] <threeball> ok. let me try.
[4:00] <threeball> that made it look worse. more "static" but things are still red and it's still flashing
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[4:03] <phire> hdmi_ignore_edid=1
[4:03] <phire> tv might be lieing about supported resolutions
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[4:05] <threeball> no. that didn't change anything either. i re-commented out hdmi_safe=1. did you want me to leave it active?
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[4:05] <phire> no, keep it commented out
[4:06] <phire> but you might have to play around with the mode again
[4:07] <threeball> ok, so keep the tag you gave me active and try different modes?
[4:07] <phire> yeah
[4:08] <threeball> alright. thanks, i'll keep trying. is this a common problem? i did some googling but only go results about flashing lights.
[4:08] <phire> Also, see if you can get the tv to tell you which resolution it thinks its displaying
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[4:10] <r60> i just got my pi the other day
[4:10] <r60> trying to turn my raid enclosure into a nas
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[4:11] <r60> seems to do well just as a file server, but that torrent server problem is annoying
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[4:13] <r60> wonder if a usb nic would fix that
[4:13] <threeball> phire can i pm?
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[4:16] <phire> better to keep it in channel, that way other people can chime in
[4:16] <threeball> ok. this is the tv i'm using http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889253132
[4:16] <threeball> if that helps
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[4:17] <dr_summer> threeball: what do you have plugged into the pi?
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[4:18] <threeball> logitech receiver, power, hdmi, sd
[4:18] <dr_summer> i ask, because i've seen the same happen when there wasn't enough power
[4:18] <phire> pull out that receiver
[4:18] <threeball> i'm using my ipad cube for power over my kindle cable
[4:19] <threeball> out
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[4:19] <dr_summer> receiver /could/ be drawing to much from it
[4:19] <dr_summer> worth a shot
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[4:20] <phire> I've heard of people having problems with logitech receivers drawing too much power
[4:20] <threeball> same result
[4:20] <phire> you have a multimeter?
[4:21] <threeball> not handy
[4:21] <threeball> what should i check?
[4:21] <phire> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Troubleshooting_power_problems
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[4:22] <threeball> got it.
[4:23] <threeball> now, i have tried also with a powered hub, and a dual usb wall wart
[4:23] <threeball> all with the same results
[4:23] <threeball> on both pis, too
[4:23] <phire> probally an issue with the tv then
[4:24] <phire> or maybe your hdmi cable
[4:24] <threeball> it may be the tv. the cable came from my ps3 so i know it's working
[4:26] <dr_summer> did you try hdmi_boost?
[4:26] <threeball> yes
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[4:29] <Gaddel> hi, i have a bus-powered USB hub. i was thinking of connecting a cell phone charger via USB to power the hub, while connecting a USB peripheral to it and then a USB cable from the hub to the pi
[4:30] <Gaddel> could the phone charger being plugged into the hub + a phone charger plugged into the pi's micro USB power outlet create an electrical problem?
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[4:35] <hotwings> rpi has limited power output on its usb ports so if youre underpowering devices, they may not work (properly)
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[4:39] <threeball> something i just noticed. on the bottom of one of the pis, under the hdmi port, there are three spaces labeled d14 d15 and d16. all three are populated on one, and d14 is missing on the other. is this bad?
[4:46] <hotwings> what does it look like on your other rpi(s)
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[4:47] <btcbuy314> does the raspberrypi automatically connect to the internet with ethernet? or do you have to enter any commands and do any of the leds show internet connectivity?
[4:49] <r60> it connects automatically, theres an led for network activity
[4:49] <Tobias|> It should connect to the internet as soon as ethernet is plugged in, btcbuy314, provided your router (or something else on your network) acts as a DHCP server
[4:49] <Tobias|> (which in all honesty is probably the case)
[4:51] <btcbuy314> this channel has a less activity for how big of a channel it is, and thanks it connected automaticaly for me but even if i didnt have the ethernet connected before booting, it was auto connect when i plugged it in?
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[4:54] <btcbuy314> for those running arch, how long did it take to generate the pacman keychain master key ?
[4:55] <mrdragons> Maybe 5-10 minutes
[4:55] <mrdragons> Do something like "ls -R /" to make it go a bit faster
[4:56] <btcbuy314> what does that do?
[4:56] <btcbuy314> like type ls -R / before a command?
[4:56] <mrdragons> No, do "ls -R /" sometime before or while
[4:57] <mrdragons> gpg takes a while to generate a key because it needs to gather entropy
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[4:57] <btcbuy314> entropy? and how does ls -R help that
[4:58] <mrdragons> If you do a bunch of io, like reads from a disk, it contributes to it
[4:58] <mongrelion> hello, guys.
[4:58] <mongrelion> what's again the suggested wifi dongle for the rpi?
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[4:58] <mrdragons> btcbuy314: ls -R lists recursively, if you do it on the root directory it'll list every file on the system (you have permission to see)
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[4:59] <btcbuy314> mrdragons: i understand what ls -R does but how does having a bunch of io contribute to entropy
[5:00] <dr_summer> btcbuy314: use haveged
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[5:02] <btcbuy314> its still generating the keychain, and i turned on my pi and first thing i did was pacman -Syu then i went to generate the keychain, should i cancel it, run ls -R then do it?
[5:02] <dr_summer> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman-key#Initializing_the_keyring
[5:02] <mrdragons> btcbuy314: Because the kernel gets a lot of "random" data that way, what exact io the user does isn't usually readibly visable to an attacker
[5:03] <mrdragons> btcbuy314: You can switch to another tty and do it, and it doesn't have to be ls -R
[5:04] <btcbuy314> mrdragons: ok thanks, btw how do i switch to another tty control alt f1-6 arent doing it for me
[5:05] <mrdragons> Huh, really? that's weird, Maybe alt + right or left
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[5:11] <Gaddel> <hotwings> rpi has limited power output on its usb ports so if youre underpowering devices, they may not work (properly
[5:12] <Gaddel> understood, which is why i wanted to power the hub itself via a usb phone charger. if such a thing is possible
[5:12] <Gaddel> and i was wondering if by doing that, more power could be inputted to the pi
[5:13] <btcbuy314> ok control alt f is working now. it wasnt working before for some reason
[5:19] <btcbuy314> net upgrade size on raspberry pi pacman is -17.11 MiB?
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[5:34] <Jungle-Boogie> anyone use openelec on their pi?
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[6:00] <btcbuy314> do you need to install a video card driver on arch for rasp pi for x?
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[6:39] <r60> i wonder
[6:39] <r60> if transmission would be stable with a usb nic
[6:39] <r60> think imma try it
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[9:54] <arfonzo> morning friends
[9:54] <DarkTherapy> it was when I got up..
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[10:14] <gordonDrogon> 'morning.
[10:14] <sundancer> good morning gordonDrogon
[10:16] <DarkTherapy> morning
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[10:23] <sundancer> gordonDrogon is ribbon cable included in gertboard package?
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[10:28] <btcbuy314> has anyone here gotten chromium working in arch?
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[10:33] <TheBrayn> chromium on the rpi? oO
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> sundancer, I've no idea - reading the forum posts I'm not sure either.. I'd hope so, but ...
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[10:34] <gordonDrogon> the chromium web browser works well on the Pi - under Rasbian anyway.
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> for some value of 'well'.... It is a little slow - to be expected, but it's very usable.
[10:35] <TheBrayn> doesn't it need too much ram for the rpi?
[10:35] <gordonDrogon> seems to work fine without swap for the small uses I've tried - e.g. my own website, and we used it all day in the Penzance raspberryjam thing.
[10:36] <booyaa> lololollololo
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[10:36] <booyaa> oh pro tip guys if you use your rpi as shell and travel a lot
[10:36] <booyaa> install mosh
[10:36] <booyaa> allows you to resume your ssh sesh when your net connection drops or switches
[10:37] <booyaa> combine it with screen and you have an always on terminal
[10:37] <clever> i use screen for that kind of thing
[10:37] <clever> *looks*
[10:37] <rlp10> or tmux works too
[10:37] <Habbie> i use tmux+mosh
[10:37] <Habbie> one is not a replacement for the other
[10:37] <clever> ah, mosh looks more like a udp based ssh
[10:38] <booyaa> yeah
[10:38] <booyaa> Habbie: it's rather sweet
[10:38] <clever> id just use openvpn and then ssh over that
[10:38] <booyaa> i love that i can close the laptop
[10:38] <Habbie> openvpn+ssh comes close to the benefits of mosh
[10:38] <Habbie> as long as your connections are stable when they're up
[10:38] <booyaa> open it and the shell session resumes
[10:38] <clever> which reminds me, i should put openvpn on my pi
[10:39] * booyaa is thinking about using strongswan so he can use l2tp and hook up his iphone with vpn goodness
[10:39] <booyaa> mostly because o2 optimise your net conection. this means broken js scripts
[10:39] <clever> now, where did i put my openvpn master cert....
[10:40] <clever> booyaa: most of the breakage ive seen is due to image compression
[10:40] <clever> booyaa: they insert a <script> tag to control the image compression, and THAT script then causes the most harm
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[10:45] <gordonDrogon> mosh is a better ssh for when you have things that disconnect frequently, or are laggy - e.g. 3g/2g switching, when on a train, etc.
[10:45] <Habbie> or wifi in a busy neighbourhood
[10:47] <clever> weird, the dpkg scripts feel the need to start openvpn, before i even told it what server to use....
[10:47] <TheBrayn> did you maybe install the server? :P
[10:47] <clever> both are in the same package
[10:48] <clever> and the config file doesnt exist
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[10:49] <gordonDrogon> that's what happens - it tries to start, then fails. you put in some configs in /etc/openvpn then it starts and works.
[10:51] <clever> yeah, except it shows no errors, it just wasnt running after it tried to start
[10:51] <clever> crud, lost ethernet
[10:51] <clever> *pulls up minicom*
[10:51] <clever> 10.0.0.0/25 via 10.8.0.21 dev tun0
[10:51] <clever> 10.0.0.0/25 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 10.0.0.29
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[11:01] <gordonDrogon> I've never had any issues with openvpn. Have to say, running it on a Pi would not be my idea of something to do though!
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[11:11] <jsafarik> hello
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[11:19] <Gadgetoid> https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi/commit/d24a8fc4cbed187787e66dbe7c7488b177cdd58e
[11:20] <Gadgetoid> Note licensing changes and piface stuff
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[11:40] <gordonDrogon> right. bread in the oven. it's a bit overrisen, however..
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, a-ha :) Now if only they'd start selling the PiFace! :)
[11:40] <Gadgetoid> Truedat!
[11:41] <Gadgetoid> If only they'd send a wonderful dev/journo like me one :D
[11:41] <SRCR> I'm not a hardware soldering guy, but is there any project that gives me a shutdown button to cleanly stop linux when I lose access to it.
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[11:41] <saivert> this OpenElec for RPi is incredibly slow and buggy. Also my wireless keyboard/mouse dongle doesn't receive
[11:41] <saivert> enough power from the RPi USB port apparently. It behaves irratic. like keypresses are stuck. works like a
[11:41] <saivert> charm on my PC.
[11:42] <Gadgetoid> SRCR: that's an interesting question, it's certainly possible as long as it hasn't become unresponsive
[11:42] <saivert> time to buy a powered USB hub
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[11:43] <Gadgetoid> SRCR: On the hardware side you could get away with a momentary button a few resistors and a couple of jump leads
[11:43] <SRCR> Gadgetoid: I don't think i is still ok 'ok' led blinks still on occation.
[11:44] <Gadgetoid> I personally just set up watchdog to kill and hard reset a hung Pi, although it hasn't hung for over a month
[11:44] <elspuddy> morning
[11:44] <saivert> too bad most USB hubs are as big as the RPi in a ModMyPi case
[11:44] <Gadgetoid> 42 days, now, in fact, I should have hooked it up to my UPS
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[11:45] <SRCR> Gadgetoid: can you share what you have (or the basics) just a cron fires scropt ?
[11:46] <Gadgetoid> SRCR: I used: http://pi.gadgetoid.co.uk/post/001-who-watches-the-watcher
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Hm. I had to buy the PiFace!
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[11:46] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: OHRLY?
[11:46] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: That's a little off, but I guess if it's a small project then it makes sense
[11:46] <Gadgetoid> I'd rather??? review it :)
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[11:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes - at the Cambridge PiJam thing - one reason I was a bit critical in my writeup about it ;-)
[11:47] <Gadgetoid> But I can't solder for toffee, so it'd be a failure in the making
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ?30 - but tehy are hoping to sell it for half that in volumes.
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[11:47] <SRCR> Gadgetoid: ty
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Think i've done more soldering in the past week or 2 than in the past 5 years!
[11:47] <saivert> I found the watchdog service to no work propely until you uncomment the lines for load test
[11:48] <Gadgetoid> Do the PiFace guys hang about here?
[11:48] <saivert> the forkbomb in the guide did not prompt a hard reset of the RPi before I uncommented these lines in watchdog.conf
[11:48] <Gadgetoid> saivert: ohrly?
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Don't think so - from what I gather it was a student project and the students have all gone home for the summer!
[11:49] <Gadgetoid> saivert: Good point, I didn't pay attention to those before
[11:49] <Gadgetoid> saivert: but you're correct
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I have exchanged some email with the Doc. in-charge of the project though - and wiringPiFace does work well on it :)
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> 10:44:14 up 42 days, 12:15, 2 users, load: 0.07, 0.13, 0.16
[11:49] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Yeah I wanted to wrap it all up for Ruby/Python/Perl??? but difficult for me to do without testing it
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> From Gadgetoid.co.uk :)
[11:50] <Gadgetoid> Hahaha: 10:47:40 up 42 days, 12:19, 2 users, load average: 0.09, 0.09, 0.14
[11:50] <saivert> problem is a hard reset might cause SD card corruption though. so if your RPi is to deal with lots of sudden resets or powerloss you need to design some kind of read only root filesystem with perhaps a copy-on-write overlay filesystem like those live linux CDs got
[11:50] <saivert> none of the images on the RPi website is set up like this
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[11:53] <saivert> I have already managed to render my Raspbian unbootable after a powerloss. so only way to fix it was to copy a fresh image to the SD card. The Archlinux image was even worse. It didn't even keep pacman package repository consistent after a powerloss. Seems like it buffers writes in RAM for too long.
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> I've been running a Pi on & off batteries recently ... touching wood... not had any filesystem issues so-far, however that in-general has been my experience with ext3/ext4 over the years ...
[11:54] <saivert> sure the filesystem itself may be in OK shape. it has journalling after all, but that doesn't prevent other oddities.
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> 6 AA's last 3-4 hours in your lucky, although they'd last a lot longer if I had a better regulator than a 7805...
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[11:54] <saivert> but the onboard linear regulator handles up to 9 volts
[11:55] <saivert> so you waste a lot of power by having two regulators
[11:55] <saivert> I dunno if the PCB design handles it but the regulator that is soldered on the board takes anything from 5 to 9 volts according to datasheet
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> saivert, parts of the Pi need 5V, so feeding in more than 5v will kill it.
[11:56] <saivert> so it takes 5 V and bypasses the onboard regulator?
[11:56] <saivert> the first regulator that is next to the micro USB port
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> there is an on-board 3.3v regulator - it expects a regulated 5v for the bits that need 5v.
[11:56] <saivert> which gives 5 volt out
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> there is no on-board 5v regulator.
[11:57] <saivert> there are two regulators. one near GPIO pins and one near the microUSB port
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> one is 3.3 the other is 2.8
[11:57] <saivert> oh okay then
[11:57] <saivert> so you need an external regulator anyways
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> I'm feeding 5v in on the GPIO 5v pin....
[11:57] <saivert> nice to tell me
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> just read the circuit diagram...
[11:58] <saivert> but the datasheet says 5V to 9V.
[11:58] <saivert> but that is for 3.3 out
[11:58] <saivert> too bad
[11:58] <btcbuy314> the power cord on my raspberry pi came out by accident and now nothing will display on screen. how do i fix it? it may be an issue with the sd card
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> yes - but things like the videocore and the ethernet/usb chip needs 5v.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> just look at the circuit diagram.
[11:59] <thrawed> btcbuy314: does the green light flash when you power up your pi?
[11:59] <saivert> I just ordered a switching regulator which wastes less power than a linear one
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[11:59] <saivert> we talked about it here some days ago
[12:02] <btcbuy314> no
[12:02] <btcbuy314> wait hold on
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[12:03] <btcbuy314> yeah no green lights
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> btcbuy314, start by just wiping and replacing the files in the first partition (the vfat one).
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> bread check. brb.
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[12:06] <gordonDrogon> another 5 mins.
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[12:07] <btcbuy314> by first one you mean mmcblk0p1?
[12:07] <btcbuy314> theres 2 partitions right?
[12:08] <btcbuy314> and where do i get the files to replace it?
[12:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> from the original .img file .... do the partitons look OK on another machine
[12:11] <btcbuy314> i have no idea what ok looks like
[12:12] <btcbuy314> and i dont know how to replace only just one partition
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[12:12] <thrawed> do you know how to dd?
[12:13] <ne2k> my burr brown 08bb:2902 is making a ticking sound whenever it is accessed; the alsa buffer and period size seem to make no difference to the frequency, it is about five times a second. this is on raspbian. I'm going to try arch to see if the problem persists
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[12:20] <thrawed> ne2k: ticking? maybe it's a bomb
[12:20] <ne2k> thrawed: conceivable. it doesn't do it all the time, only if I play something. but if I do aplay -Dhw:1 silence.wav, it happens while it's playing
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[12:21] <thrawed> ne2k: Oh, I can't remember the specifcs, but I think they had cheaped out on the hw side of that 3.5mm jack, or something.
[12:22] <ne2k> thrawed: like I said, I'm using a USB sound card, not the onboard
[12:22] <ne2k> thrawed: I'm using USB because I know the onboard is shite
[12:22] <thrawed> oh okay
[12:22] <thrawed> I haven't really been paying attention
[12:23] <ne2k> sorry, I didn't specifically say USB. but I gave the USB device id
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[12:28] <Gadgetoid> Half Price Laser Eye? Awesome!??? *click*??? awww??? damn??? "surgery"
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[12:34] <thrawed> Gadgetoid: I never understood why they advertise it as a price per eye
[12:35] <Gadgetoid> thrawed: It's not a fun process in any respect, from what I've heard??? I want a "Laser Eye" not surgery??? like Terminator
[12:35] <thrawed> I heard you can smell your eyeballs burning
[12:35] <Gadgetoid> *shudder*
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[12:41] <ne2k> thrawed: because you might only have a defect that is worth correcting in one eye?
[12:41] <Dyskette> thrawed: you can easily have much worse vision on one eye than the other.
[12:41] <Dyskette> thrawed: heck, I know someone who wears glasses with no prescription in one lens.
[12:41] <Gadgetoid> You might also have just one eye!
[12:42] <ne2k> Dyskette: when I wear contact lenses, I only wear one lens. my prescription in the right eye is very slight -- it's the left eye that has the stronger one
[12:42] * Dyskette shudders
[12:42] <Dyskette> Contact lenses freak me out :(
[12:42] <saivert> Soon you can just implant some chip in your retina
[12:42] <saivert> pixelated vision yay!
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[12:45] <bircoe> thrawed: I have a damaged Macular in my right eye, so the vision in my right eye is mostly blurry, but my left eye is fine and according to the last test has better than 20/20 vision...
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> Mmm.. warm bread :)
[12:48] <Gadgetoid> Warm, like a fox?
[12:48] <Gadgetoid> You and your baking!
[12:48] <ne2k> right. the USB audio device does the exact same ticking thing under arch linux as it does on raspbian
[12:52] <thrawed> I think it's a bomb
[12:53] <Meatballs> likely
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> well, foxes ought to be shot on-sight in my books (after one killed all my chickens last year), but warm bread as in home-made sourdough, straight out of the oven warm :)
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[12:55] <gordonDrogon> and I'm going to get a 2nd slice :)
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[13:02] <gordonDrogon> one of my neices has just been told she'll be blind in 2 years time.
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[13:02] <gordonDrogon> some sort of iris infection that's not curable apparently.
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[13:05] <gordonDrogon> poor girl. she's in her early 20's too.
[13:06] <bircoe> That's abit rough
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[13:09] <booyaa> gordonDrogon: that's aweful
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[13:15] <gordonDrogon> yea, but she seems ok with it. her parents (my brother & sis in law) seem more concerned. They're a long way away in Germany though, so I'm a but un-connected with them all.
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[13:18] <btcbuy314> is there any way to recover a sd card arch install? the power came out and i tried replacing the first partition files but that didnt work
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[13:26] <bircoe> Why do Chinese wholesalers always have to fudge the numbers...
[13:27] <bircoe> Just bought a bunch of "15w" MR16 LED downlights to replace the 50w halogen globes in some rooms...
[13:27] <bircoe> Multimeter says that are a smidge over 5w... not 15, i know their grasp of the english language is vague at best but do they really have to flat out lie!
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> btcbuy314, what happens? Does it produce the rainbow screen, then load Linux, or not even get that far?
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[13:36] <nx5> bircoe: they have no concept of treating customers well. they're probably too used to being able to sell us all they could produce, so they don't care if you stop buying, someone else will. that's my theory
[13:37] <nx5> otherwise it makes no sense that every chinese seller tries to screw you over and over again
[13:37] <bircoe> that's a good theory...
[13:38] <nx5> you ask for something they give you something else. they toss all sorts of different (similar) products including defective ones, to fill large(ish) orders
[13:38] <bircoe> And to be perfectly honest i bought them knowing full well they wern't going to meet the advertised specs
[13:38] <nx5> and so on
[13:38] <nx5> yeah, at least we usually know what to expect.. a lottery
[13:38] <nx5> some guy I knew stopped asking them for different colours in a certain product
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[13:39] <bircoe> But I was hoping that rather than having 5x 3w LED's as advertised they would have 5x 2w r something... but 5x 1w is kind of insulting
[13:39] <nx5> no matter what he asked for, they sent him whatever they had in stock, never the amounts of the different colors he asked for
[13:39] <nx5> yeah, you got the bad lottery ticket :P
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> I buy stuff like that from tlc-direct.co.uk
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> never had any issues.
[13:41] <nx5> I once ordered like 300 7-segment led displays. The ones I had tried before were bright enough, but the ones I got when I ordered 300 were mixed, most were not bright enough
[13:41] <bircoe> If they wern't soo cheap I'd be super pissed.... but considering they were almost 10 times less than what retail stores sell similar products for I'm only mildly pissed!
[13:42] <bircoe> These came from a seller that sells via DHGate.com
[13:42] <btcbuy314> gordonDrogon: it didnt get that far, it would just not show anything on screen, no green light, just a red power light
[13:43] <bircoe> means it's not reading your SD card
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> btcbuy314, hm. sounds like it's not seeing the SD card, or the filesystem is faulty. I'd put it back in another PC and make sure you can see all the files.
[13:43] <bircoe> Green LED indicates SD Card OK/Access
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[13:44] <Stereo> hi everyone
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[13:46] <Stereo> I just wanted to confirm that, on the default raspbian images, ssh is on by default and it just uses dhcp?
[13:47] <Habbie> Stereo, as far as i have seen, yes
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> Stereo, That appears to be the case.
[13:47] <bircoe> I believe SSH is off
[13:47] <bircoe> I had to turn it on anyway
[13:47] <Habbie> bircoe, ssh was on when i tried it :)
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[13:48] <Stereo> well the torrent is almost done, I'm about to find out :)
[13:48] <bircoe> must be time to compile another OpenELEC build
[13:50] <Stereo> great, now I'm out of disk space
[13:53] <bircoe> Might go change spark plugs on the Audi while this build is happening.... just wish it wasn't so damned cold outside.'
[13:53] <[SLB]> ssh in raspbian is off by default, and yes ethernet is configurad by dhcp
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[13:55] <[SLB]> at least in the july 15th image
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[13:57] <Stereo> hmm, and is enabling it as simple as mounting the image and making the symlinks for /etc/init.d/sshd ?
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[13:57] <Stereo> I understand why you wouldn't want it on, with the default root password on the wiki...
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[13:57] <clever> Stereo: the iphone rooters learned that the hard way, there was a virus a few years ago ssh'ing into rooted iphones with the default pw
[13:58] <clever> Stereo: it put rick astley as your backgrund image :P
[13:58] <olive> Stereo: simple as a space barre. Raspian ask you what you want to do with sshd at boot
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[13:59] <[SLB]> yes olive, but to do so you must have connected a keyboard and a tv to it already eheh
[13:59] <olive> TV or LCD monitor...
[13:59] <olive> but yes.
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[14:00] <olive> I think you just have to enable it in /etc/default
[14:00] <Stereo> I have a keyboard, but no hdmi tv...
[14:00] <olive> you don't need hdmi tv
[14:01] <olive> LCD with DVI is OK
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[14:01] <Stereo> yeah, but you need a dvi adapter for that :)
[14:01] <[SLB]> if you can go blindly it's ok too
[14:01] <olive> you need hdmi>dvi adaptor ($1)
[14:01] <clever> composite also works
[14:01] <clever> olive: they are $20 and up here :(
[14:01] <Stereo> oh yes, of course
[14:01] <Stereo> I'll use composite
[14:01] <Stereo> thank you, aptly-named clever
[14:01] <olive> $20 o_O do it yourself :)
[14:02] <olive> just somes cables to connect to pins
[14:02] <clever> olive: wouldnt be as small or look as good
[14:02] <olive> (3-6 hours of work)
[14:02] <clever> and may not have enough signal sheilding to work
[14:03] <Stereo> if you're patient, http://www.dealextreme.com/p/gold-plated-hdmi-male-to-dvi-24-1-female-adapter-32388 is $3.60
[14:03] <Stereo> I wonder why my dd is taking so long...
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[14:03] <Habbie> Stereo, what OS?
[14:03] <Stereo> mac os x
[14:03] <Habbie> disk or rdisk?
[14:04] <Stereo> oh, disk
[14:04] <Stereo> d'oh
[14:04] <Habbie> try rdisk :)
[14:04] <Habbie> also pass a big bs=
[14:04] <Stereo> bigger than 1m?
[14:04] <Habbie> 1m is fine
[14:04] <Stereo> ok, great, it's ten times faster now :)
[14:04] <Habbie> neat
[14:06] <Stereo> thank you
[14:07] <Habbie> welcome
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[14:13] <Stereo> it's booting, it's booting!
[14:13] <Stereo> what's the 'OK' LED?
[14:13] <TheBrayn> it indicates that something went wrong
[14:13] <Stereo> damn! :D
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[14:17] <Habbie> the pic just retweeted by @raspberry_pi suggests i forgot to remove some coating from my pibow ;)
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[14:18] <gordonDrogon> Oh, you go ta pibow?
[14:18] <Habbie> yes
[14:18] <Habbie> it's great
[14:18] <Habbie> 100x better than modmypi
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> not seen the tweet yet..
[14:19] <niklaswe> hello, I wondering if i should overclock my raspberry pi so I can play 720p with DTS... But must I have heatsink when i overclocking it to 950 mhz ? or will it be too warm with out heatsink?
[14:19] <Habbie> haybacon: Pibow assembled. It's 20% cooler. @Raspberry_Pi #bronies http://twitpic.com/akgx6h [http://twitter.com/haybacon/status/236423051774918656]
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> Habbie, neat :)
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> niklaswe, no heatsink required.
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> niklaswe, however you're only giving it a 25% speed increase - will that be enough???
[14:20] <niklaswe> gordonDrogon: i dont know i will try and see
[14:21] <darknyan> RS online refuses to refund my money.
[14:21] <darknyan> Any courses of action?
[14:21] <TheBrayn> why did you return your rpi?
[14:21] <gordonDrogon> niklaswe, you might need to overvolt to get above 900MHz too...
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> in the UK they have to under the distance selling regulations (6 days though IIRC)
[14:22] <darknyan> I didnt have the need for a second one and I thought that another person was more deserving of a Pi than me.
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> darknyan, oh, just put it on ebay then.
[14:22] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, 7 working days afaik
[14:22] <darknyan> Well I already requested the cancellation, no chance of that happening.
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[14:23] <darknyan> The odds of them actually shipping it are slim.
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[14:23] <darknyan> Unless they dont really care.
[14:25] <Habbie> bah
[14:25] <Habbie> looks like i really should remove the protective film from all 9 layers
[14:25] <Habbie> i'll stick with the two transparant ones for now ;)
[14:26] <[SLB]> pibow looks cool, but a bit too much expensive for my taste, i would have got one if it were like 10 euros
[14:26] <[SLB]> is it laser cut?
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[14:27] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], can't see any other way to cut acrylic these days ...
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[14:27] <gordonDrogon> I was very impressed with the spring clips on the adafruit case too - 'dragon claws' they call them!
[14:27] <Habbie> [SLB], i believe it's laser cut, yes
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> bit wastefull of acrylic though.
[14:28] <Habbie> i paid close to E20 for it
[14:28] <[SLB]> i was thinking either 3d printed or injection mold but yup cut
[14:28] <[SLB]> yes to italy it's be 23 euros, shipping included
[14:28] <Habbie> ah
[14:28] <Habbie> weird that .nl would be cheaper
[14:28] <Habbie> unless i had some preorder discount
[14:29] <[SLB]> hm because i see uk shipping, eu and world only these 3 categories
[14:29] <[SLB]> maybe eheh
[14:29] <Habbie> ah, price did go up
[14:29] <Habbie> i picked EU shipping and paid GBP14.95
[14:29] <Habbie> a month ago
[14:29] <[SLB]> oh i see
[14:29] <niklaswe> gordonDrogon: do you think that.. thats suck if i must..
[14:29] <Habbie> "Pibow001 , Shipping Options: Pibow + International Shipping"
[14:30] <[SLB]> now 17.95?
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[14:30] <Habbie> ye
[14:30] <Habbie> E23 indeed
[14:30] <[SLB]> eheh
[14:31] <Habbie> it fits through the mail slot, by the way
[14:31] <Habbie> very neatly packed
[14:31] <[SLB]> i like that encloses all the connectors and nothing sticks out of the case
[14:31] <Habbie> composite sticks out slightly
[14:32] <[SLB]> oh yes, just noticed here http://www.flickr.com/photos/82849540@N05/7593887564/in/photostream
[14:32] <[SLB]> but better than modmypy in this sense
[14:32] <Habbie> i gave my modmypi away
[14:32] <Habbie> didn't like anything about it
[14:32] <Habbie> rattly thing
[14:32] <bircoe> I just can't bring myself to like the pibow...
[14:33] <gordonDrogon> niklaswe, well - just goung by my own experiences and reading others... you can get to 900MHz usually - I have 3 that run at 900, but none of them will go higher - and I',m not yet wanting to overvolt them just for a tiny bit more.
[14:33] <trevorman> I just put a blob of blutack in my modmypi case. Doesn't rattle now
[14:33] * dennistlg dont need a case :-D
[14:33] <trevorman> the pibow looks to weird
[14:33] <trevorman> +o
[14:33] <bircoe> I'm going to buy a few of these to see how they are.
[14:34] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251121883324?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_6751wt_1168
[14:35] <bircoe> I have 2 pi's one will hit 950mhz comfortably, have not tried for 1ghz yet, and the other is unstable above 850mhz
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[14:35] <dennistlg> rascase has a lot items on ebay.de too
[14:35] <[SLB]> which one is which bircoe? rs/farnell
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[14:36] <dennistlg> my farnell pi runs 900 not testet more
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[14:36] <bircoe> I've got one from each, it's the Farnell one that won't go over 850
[14:36] <[SLB]> i sold my rs hynyx to a friend and i kept the farnell samsung one
[14:37] <[SLB]> urgh
[14:37] <bircoe> It's a Samsung
[14:37] <bircoe> That's using the OpenELEC kernel tho, it could well be a kernel issue, will try it with Raspbian...
[14:37] <[SLB]> do you measure it by the bogomips?
[14:38] <bircoe> No... no tty on OpenELEC and I've not SSH'd in while it's running
[14:38] <dennistlg> sdram runinng 500 its a samsung
[14:38] <SRCR> bircoe: that case looks a lot like the one from adafruit. I have that it's nice.
[14:39] * bircoe looks for config file
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[14:40] <bircoe> SRCR it's probably a clone of the adafruit...
[14:40] <dennistlg> {SLB} i look at hardinfo benchmarks after oc --> scores better
[14:40] <[SLB]> hm then how can i be sure whether after overclocking caps up to some rate
[14:40] <[SLB]> ah okai i can try that
[14:41] <SRCR> bircoe: that would also be my assumption.
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[14:42] <trevorman> caps up?
[14:43] <bircoe> hahaha: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Adafruit-Design-Raspberry-Pi-Case-Box-Enclosure-/251125021772?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item3a7837bc4c#ht_4068wt_1168
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[14:43] <bircoe> notice the title...
[14:43] <[SLB]> well if i set the overclock say to 1ghz without overvolt, i guess it won't go that far?
[14:43] <trevorman> doubt you'd be able to hit 1ghz with no overvolting
[14:44] <SRCR> :)
[14:44] <bircoe> [SLB], based on the config file, at 950 it fails to bootr
[14:44] <bircoe> 900 it sometimes boots
[14:44] <[SLB]> yes i mean, how do i find it out, it just won't boot or it'll work say at 900something?
[14:44] <bircoe> and 850 it boots all the time
[14:44] <[SLB]> ah ok
[14:44] <trevorman> you want the highest speed and then knock it down 1 notch or it'll be unreliable
[14:44] <[SLB]> so i figure it out by the boot success
[14:44] <trevorman> [SLB]: you see if it boots then you use something that'll load the CPU and finally you just run it for an extended period of time
[14:45] <trevorman> if it is okay for all 3 then you're probably safe
[14:45] <[SLB]> ah ok
[14:45] <bircoe> well boot success... once it's booting consistantly make sure it it's stable
[14:45] <bircoe> maybe a couple of hours of mprime
[14:45] <bircoe> or in my case 5 days of XBMC
[14:45] <bircoe> :)
[14:45] <[SLB]> eheh
[14:46] <dennistlg> anyone tested to run memtest on pi?
[14:46] <dennistlg> it is very good to see memory failures
[14:46] <dennistlg> on pc
[14:47] <[SLB]> hm mprime needs java?
[14:47] <trevorman> memtest? that even supported on ARM?
[14:47] <bircoe> surely not...
[14:48] <bircoe> according to the site it's written in assembly
[14:48] <bircoe> so there may not be an ARM version
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> you can enable a memtest in the Linux kernel at boot time.
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[14:49] <gordonDrogon> although I'm now wondering if it's x86 only.. let me check..
[14:49] <trevorman> last time I looked it was a load of x86 assembler and some C. all the really low level stuff was the assembler.
[14:49] <Gadgetoid> Urge to do this: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-The-Internet-from-The-IT-Crowd/
[14:49] <[SLB]> hm
[14:49] <trevorman> talking to chipsets etc...
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[14:50] <gordonDrogon> Hm. looks like that may well be x86 only...
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[14:51] <gordonDrogon> once upon a time I wrote memory test code for a living...
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> transputer, sparc and i860 though...
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[14:53] <dennistlg> hm
[14:54] <bircoe> Mersenne prime number posters: http://www.perfsci.com/wall-art.asp
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[14:54] <bircoe> Might have to get me one.... as if my friends don't think I'm a big enough geek
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> somehow I don't think I really want such a poster on my wall...
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> I do have a Clangers poster though.
[14:55] <[SLB]> do you also overclock the gpu_freq?
[14:56] <bircoe> you can if you want
[14:56] <[SLB]> thats 250 default
[14:56] <bircoe> my good pi takes 100 over stock
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> I did, then stopped & went back to normal. same for sdram.
[14:57] <[SLB]> so for some reasons is better to only overclock the arm_freq?
[14:57] <[SLB]> or just the others won't produce any big improvement?
[14:57] <bircoe> it's all personal preferance and performance targets
[14:58] <bircoe> GPU will only increase performance on heavy GPU tasks
[14:58] <[SLB]> ah okai, mine is mostly headless
[14:58] <bircoe> for headless i wouldn't bother
[14:58] <bircoe> and FYI theres a 240mb elf file now... great for headless!
[14:59] <bircoe> that is 240mb system RAM and 16 for GPU
[14:59] <[SLB]> yes am using that one :)
[14:59] <Habbie> cool
[14:59] <bircoe> then don't bother OCing the GPU :)
[14:59] <[SLB]> oks thanks eheh
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[15:00] <[SLB]> nor the sdram either?
[15:00] <djshotglass> can rpi do netflix @ 1080p
[15:00] <bircoe> that's your choice :)
[15:00] <[SLB]> am gonna try the cpu for now see how far i can go
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[15:00] <bircoe> djshotglass, never tried but it can play 1080p content at mediumish bitrates just fine
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[15:01] <djshotglass> i know the netflix android app is trash so what os would you recomend for netflix
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[15:02] <bircoe> shrugs, I can't get netflix in my country so I've never bothered investigating
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[15:02] <djshotglass> vpn!
[15:03] <bircoe> still need a credit card from a accepted country!
[15:03] <djshotglass> nah paypal
[15:03] <bircoe> still... no need for it
[15:03] <djshotglass> fair enough
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[15:04] <booyaa> i feel it's my obligation to find moivie torrents if some idiot won#t let me view it on demand in my country
[15:04] <trevorman> didn't think there were any unofficial netflix apps
[15:04] <bircoe> [SLB] is [SLP] your Pi?
[15:04] <[SLP]> BogoMIPS : 898.66
[15:04] <[SLP]> yes
[15:04] <[SLP]> 900MHz, all green
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> BogoMIPS : 898.66
[15:05] <[SLP]> eheh
[15:05] <bircoe> nice
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> which is more or less cpu frequency.
[15:05] <[SLP]> yups
[15:05] <djshotglass> i agree booyaa i torrent anything not on netflix :P
[15:05] <djshotglass> got a seedbox?
[15:06] <[SLP]> let's see if it survives the 950, in case i switch back to 900 and keep it up for a while
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[15:06] <booyaa> [SLP]: can you stick a heat sink on it?
[15:06] <booyaa> i'm pretty certain someone's burnt theirs out already
[15:07] <[SLP]> i thought of it too, but i also read here that there's no real need of it, well see, here it gets hot easily
[15:07] <[SLP]> especially these days there's the last african anticyclon it's gonna be real hot
[15:07] <[SLP]> eheh
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[15:09] <Stereo> my raspberry pi is working, and I'm connected to it over ssh! Hurrah!
[15:09] <Habbie> yay!
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[15:10] <Stereo> olive's space bar trick worked just fine
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[15:11] <[SLP]> BogoMIPS : 944.53
[15:11] <[SLP]> \o/
[15:12] <bircoe> go hard son!
[15:12] <bircoe> go for the big 1 point 0
[15:12] <[SLB]> lol let's see
[15:12] <booyaa> can anyone else smell burning?
[15:12] <olive> Stereo: space bar is great, space bar is good !
[15:12] <booyaa> ;)
[15:13] <[SLB]> in case it would just not boot, right?
[15:13] <[SLB]> feels cool so far
[15:13] <[SLB]> and it's been up since a week
[15:13] <Stereo> is it possible to underclock the pi too, to make it use less energy?
[15:13] <bircoe> underclocking it won't save power
[15:13] <[SLB]> i think yes Stereo, but not sure how much energy it would save
[15:14] <bircoe> and if it did save power it wouldn't be much worth writing about
[15:14] <booyaa> it's pretty low already is it 3/5watts?
[15:14] <trevorman> you can undervolt and underclock
[15:14] <Stereo> I see
[15:14] <trevorman> won't affect the warranty. overvolting will.
[15:14] <Stereo> I suppose there are better ways to save power
[15:14] <[SLB]> maybe undervolt it's more worth it
[15:14] <[SLB]> than underclock, that is
[15:15] <booyaa> you can also suspend pi's can't you? but then you need to script all of the sleep and wake
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> anyone driven an 80 ohm speaker off the Pi's 3.5mm jack?
[15:15] <trevorman> if you're trying to make a battery powered RPi then you should remove the LEDs, swap the 3.3 regulator for a more efficient one and possibly disable the USB/ethernet chip.
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> yea, I've been running a Pi off batterys recently - the regulators are losing a good fraction of the avalable power.
[15:15] <Stereo> I think I saw the regulator thing on hackaday
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> 6 x AA's are only lasting 3-4 hours.
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[15:16] <gordonDrogon> it's quite weird though - the Pi keeps running when the 5V has dropped to about 4.5v but the Ethernet drops out...
[15:16] <Stereo> it'd be for a bike dynamo, possibly battery-backed to keep the power on at red lights
[15:17] <[SLB]> died on 1ghz
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> space bar... space bar ... reminds me of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snO68aJTOpM
[15:19] <bircoe> gordonDrogon, the logic stuff is running on 3.3v where the USB/Ethernet chip would need a solid 5v... so I can see the ethernet chip dieing before the rest of the board
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, yea, carries on until the 3.3 regulator drops out...
[15:20] <SRCR> NARF
[15:20] <trevorman> the 3.3v actually drops under 4.75V
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[15:21] <trevorman> thats the minimum voltage for that particular regulator to work properly
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> maybe I have a lucky board then - it's ok at 4.5..
[15:21] <trevorman> the soc has a fairly wide voltage range
[15:21] <[SLB]> hm i can't mount the boot partiotion in rw?
[15:21] <trevorman> so its okay at 3v
[15:21] <miceiken> https://github.com/mazkolain/spotimc/issues/48 :(
[15:22] <[SLB]> mount: cannot remount block device /dev/sdg1 read-write, is write-protected
[15:23] <trevorman> whats sdg1?
[15:23] <[SLB]> the boot partition
[15:23] <trevorman> eh?
[15:23] <[SLB]> i have to edit config.txt
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[15:24] <[SLB]> i don't get why my system mounts it in ro
[15:25] <akSeya> hey
[15:25] <akSeya> anyone ever trieed to get compat-drivers working with raspbian
[15:25] <akSeya> ?
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[15:26] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], I presume this is mounting it on another linux box?
[15:26] <[SLB]> yes sorry
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], so mount -oremount,rw /dev/sdg1 fails?
[15:26] <[SLB]> yes
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> I'd check dmesg in-case it's detected fs corruption at mount time.
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[15:27] <[SLB]> it says Write Protect is on, but it's not
[15:28] <[SLB]> hm, let me try with another sd-to-usb adapter
[15:28] <Stereo> oh no! Now I rebooted my pi, and I can't ssh to it anymore
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> good idea...
[15:28] <Stereo> I have, even
[15:29] <[SLB]> oh
[15:29] <[SLB]> i guess the adapter got nuts
[15:29] <[SLB]> it works with the other one
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[15:29] <trevorman> oh you were plugged it into a SD card reader?
[15:29] <trevorman> was wondering why it was sdg...
[15:30] <[SLB]> yes sorry
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[15:30] <[SLB]> i wonder what happened to the adapter, good i got 2
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[15:32] <trevorman> [SLB]: the switch that detects WP is dirty maybe?
[15:33] <trevorman> I still don't understand why the RPi has the card present switch connected but not the WP one...
[15:34] <[SLB]> oh i indeed didn't know there was such a switch inside the reader, but it's new i got it along with the case, i guess i'll try to open it up and see what's going on
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[15:35] <trevorman> the WP on a SD card is just a plastic tab that moves. there isn't any electrical connection to it at all. it is detected by a switch on the socket.
[15:35] <[SLB]> ah didn't know, thanks
[15:40] <Habbie> on the socket? did not know that either
[15:40] <[SLB]> like the floppies then
[15:41] <[SLB]> or audio cassettes :3 ah good old times, lol
[15:41] <Habbie> i see it on the socket, indeed
[15:41] <booyaa> [SLB]: awesome pi is still alive eh?
[15:42] <[SLB]> died on 1ghz eheh
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure floppies was a proper signal to the electronics - 5.25" ones were.
[15:42] <booyaa> [SLB]: what dead dead or just had to reset cmdline.txt/config.txt?
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> compact casette tapes used a mechanical interlock - you couldn't push the record button when the tab was broken off.
[15:42] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, yes, but somebody could mod a drive to override it
[15:42] <[SLB]> fixed the arm_freq back it's connecting now eheh
[15:42] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, with SD, i presumed the card protected itself. turns out it doesn't, indeed
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> Habbie, sure, but that required a soldering iron...
[15:43] <Habbie> gordonDrogon, sure
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[15:44] <dennistlg> SLB/P so 950 mhz booting ok and on 1ghz not?
[15:45] <[SLB]> correct
[15:45] <TheBrayn> what's the standard value?
[15:45] <dennistlg> i think the result is ok without overvolting
[15:45] <dennistlg> 700
[15:45] <[SLB]> am back to 700 but now i know that it can go up to 950 :3
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[15:47] <dennistlg> have a slow download runing on my pi 3gb with 50-60kb/s so i have to wait a bit to play again with it
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[15:48] <[SLB]> the reader is not detecting the switch, but the contact looks ok, well i'll check it out later again
[15:48] <[SLB]> 3 euros reader anyway eheh
[15:50] <dennistlg> try a hardmod ;-)
[15:50] <[SLB]> eheh
[15:51] <dennistlg> anyone reworked a playstation 3 here with hot air pistol ?
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[16:05] <yarekt> Argh, Why did the designers go with micro USB connection. All the cables that I have have terrible resistance, yet i have tons of old router power supplies
[16:05] <yarekt> even a USB B would have been better. And everyone has at least 2 of those cables
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[16:06] <Stereo> yarekt: I fully agree
[16:07] <Stereo> maybe they thought that micro usb would become very common because it's being used as a standard for phone chargers
[16:07] <dennistlg> yarekt most mobile and smartphones have micro usb its a dtandart for phone power supply and thats why a pi has micro usb
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[16:08] <yarekt> That would be valid reasoning if the current requirements weren't outside of the typical smartphone charger range
[16:08] <dennistlg> zhazs wrong htc chargers most have 1A samsung galaxy series have 750mA
[16:09] * marcusw has successfully built tahoe on rasbian; unit test results to follow
[16:09] <dennistlg> and pi is recommed 750mA
[16:09] <marcusw> (that's tahoe-lafs.org for those who don't know)
[16:09] <yarekt> dennistlg: Chargers might be, but the cable I have has too high resistance
[16:09] <Stereo> yeah, I got a cheap samsung charger off amazon, does 1A
[16:09] <Stereo> they got the usb symbol on the wrong side of the plug, which is a bit annoying, but I'll survive
[16:09] <[SLB]> the cable with my htc charger 5v/1a gives me 4.85 on the test points
[16:10] <yarekt> I got the standard apple phone charger, 1A so that shouldn't be a problem, Its the cables tho
[16:10] <marcusw> Stereo: that actually breaks USB spec :O
[16:11] <[SLB]> lol
[16:11] <dennistlg> with samsung galaxy s2 charger i have same 4,85v with on 100mA usb devices network and hdmi conected
[16:11] <dennistlg> its 750mA charger
[16:12] <Stereo> marcusw: I know!
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[16:13] <Stereo> on the other hand, maybe they put the female plug the other way around on their phones
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[16:13] <yarekt> I've shorted the input fuse and now the ethernet half-works
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[16:14] <Stereo> haha
[16:14] <Stereo> "I shorted the fuses, what could possibly go wrong?"
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[16:16] <yarekt> Stereo: I've not connected any high current devices to the USB ports, You know, basic electrical theory
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[16:17] <hotwings> maybe microusb connectors are cheaper
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[16:17] <Stereo> could be, because everyone is putting them in phones
[16:19] <hotwings> i think its less about what cellphones use and more about hitting their $25/$35 retail price
[16:21] <Stereo> ok, I must be doing something wrong here
[16:22] <Stereo> I flash raspbian onto my sd card, put it into my pi, press the space bar to enable ssh, configure the thing with raspi-config, and when I reboot it, ssh doesn't come back
[16:22] <Stereo> it replies to pings so I know it's alive, but no ssh
[16:22] <Stereo> I guess I should get a display...
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[16:24] <[SLB]> space bar?
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> that confuses me too - space bar?
[16:25] <Stereo> on the keyboard
[16:25] <Stereo> to answer the ssh question on first boot
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> where did you read that that enabled ssh?
[16:25] <Stereo> here :)
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> oh...
[16:25] <Stereo> it was olive's idea
[16:25] <Stereo> and it works
[16:25] <[SLB]> if you've booted once already, now raspi-config doesn't start automatically anymore. also hm, i didn't use space bar to enable it, you have to press enter to select it and then choose yes/no to start it automatically, then another enter to confirm
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> but the first boot is just the first boot...
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> ^^
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> I've always booted with a screen/keyboard connected, so I guess I didn't really think about it.
[16:26] <clever> is it posible to run the pi in dual-screen mode? composite and hdmi?
[16:27] <[SLB]> Stereo, i wrote this, you may want to check http://www.slblabs.com/2012/08/16/rpi-ssh-ip/
[16:27] <Stereo> I did enable ssh in raspi-config afterwards though. Can't understand why it doesn't work :(.
[16:27] <Stereo> ah, thank you. I'll rtfm.
[16:27] <[SLB]> it's just so you're sure it's really enabled or not
[16:28] <Stereo> ok, that's what I did
[16:28] <Stereo> more or less - the debian equivalent
[16:28] <Stereo> I guess I'll go to the local hackerspace later, plug it into a screen
[16:28] <[SLB]> so if you have etc/rc[2-5].d/S02ssh you're fine
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[16:30] <Stereo> that's what I thought too :)
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[16:31] <[SLB]> also if you're pinging it, i assume you know the ip of your rasp
[16:31] <[SLB]> does it reply as if sshd is down?
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> if you have a keyboard, you could type blind...
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[16:33] <gordonDrogon> login as pi, password raspberry, then run sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> then you can ssh into it and fix it up.
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> ping is independant of ssh.
[16:34] <[SLB]> i think he said he has the symlinks for the runlevels already but still not working for some reason? or maybe i misunderstood
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> Hm. it's worth a shot though - I've rescued a Pi before by typing blind :)
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> carefully...
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[16:35] <gordonDrogon> after I cocked up the static network settings and was on a train at the time with no monitor..
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> lots of odd looks from passengers at my Pi, gertboard with wires all over it ...
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[16:36] <[SLB]> eheh i can imagine that
[16:36] <booyaa> heh yeah i try not to do anything with arduinos or pis with wires coming out of it when on pub transport
[16:36] <[SLB]> that's a bomb, they thought
[16:36] <booyaa> too many movies
[16:37] <[SLB]> aha
[16:37] <booyaa> well the people scared of their own shadows
[16:37] <booyaa> :D
[16:37] <[SLB]> eheh
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[16:43] <markllama> booyaa: actually, that's a significant thought I hadn't considered.
[16:43] <markllama> LEGO CASE!
[16:43] <markllama> that will confuse the TSA screener
[16:43] <[SLB]> lol
[16:43] <elspuddy> a-ah, winning :D , just got php 5.4 compiled :)
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[16:46] <markllama> seriously? Except stepping on them in the kid's play room, what could Legos hurt, right?
[16:50] <elspuddy> blast, got raspcontrole working, now tryed to log in with my normal raspberry login info iv lost the crest new user buttion :(
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[16:53] <Stereo> gordonDrogon: I tried a blind ping, no luck :(
[16:53] <Craig`> hey, i just got my raspberry pi and i've put rasp squeeze on a micro sd card and then used an adapter (is this allowed?), i've got it connected by hdmi but I don't see anything on the channel when booted, basically the okay green light goes when it's first on but then only occasionally flashes after a while.
[16:54] <Stereo> markllama: and in the UK they're already trained to avoid stepping on power plugs
[16:54] <Stereo> Craig`: an adapter?
[16:55] <markllama> micro SD to "standard"
[16:55] <markllama> shouldn't be a problem if the micro is accepted anyway.
[16:55] <Craig`> yeah micro to standard
[16:55] <Craig`> the adapter mightn't be the best though, got it real cheap.
[16:55] <Craig`> i'll try just using a standard one later
[16:57] <dennistlg> have tryied 3 micro cards in a adapter all 3 work
[16:57] <dennistlg> 2x8gb and one 2gb
[16:57] <Craig`> hmm not sure why mine isn't then.
[16:57] <Craig`> this is a 8gb i think.
[16:57] <Craig`> oh wait.. wow
[16:57] <Craig`> i forgot to put the lock on
[16:58] <Craig`> though that doesn't appear to have changed anything.
[16:58] <Craig`> i've made sure it's on the right tv extension, i'll check if the hashes match.
[16:58] <dennistlg> lock has nothing to do with that issuse i think
[16:59] <Craig`> yeah it was worth a try
[16:59] <mrichards> lock?
[16:59] <dennistlg> write lock switch
[16:59] <mrichards> ah
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[17:01] <trevorman> Craig`: try a different TV/monitor. does the ethernet LEDs light up if you plug it in?
[17:01] <Craig`> 2 seconds
[17:01] <trevorman> if they do then its booting. if the card doesn't work then it won't initialise the ethernet and the LEDs won't light. sounds like it is anyway if the OK light does light up
[17:02] <Craig`> i'm just reading the image to memory and comparing it to the original atm, i'll do that in 2 minutes
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[17:08] <booyaa> markllama: heh i heard the xray stencils caused some excitement with tsa
[17:08] <booyaa> +the
[17:12] <Craig`> trevorman: I don't see any ethernet LEDs being lit
[17:12] <trevorman> Craig`: probably not booting then. what image did you write
[17:12] <Craig`> wait 2 seconds.
[17:14] <Stereo> oho
[17:14] <Stereo> my ssh started working again!
[17:14] <Stereo> I guess it was just busy resizing the partition
[17:14] <Craig`> wait, they're on.
[17:14] <Craig`> I accidently pulled it from the router that's why they weren't.
[17:15] <Craig`> trevorman: the LEd
[17:15] <Craig`> s are on.
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[17:17] <Craig`> I downloaded Raspbian ???wheezy??? the direct download
[17:19] <trevorman> Craig`: then your card is fine. you need to troubleshoot your HDMI connection instead.
[17:19] <Craig`> how would I do that? just trying another tv/monitor?
[17:19] <trevorman> Craig`: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#No_HDMI_output_at_all
[17:20] <Craig`> okay thanks
[17:21] <Craig`> does the raspberry pi have a default local ip address?
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[17:22] <Stereo> Craig`: no, it uses dhcp
[17:22] <nid0> no, current images all set it to dhcp
[17:22] <Stereo> you could nmap -sP [your subnet] :)
[17:22] <Craig`> i'm using windows right now, how would I do that?
[17:23] <Craig`> the pi is actually for my grandparents so i'm using their window pc atm.
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[17:23] <Stereo> good question. You can probably see a list of dhcp leases on their home router if they have one.
[17:23] <booyaa> Craig`: were you the guy trynig to setup file and print services, maybe a little bit of media center too?
[17:23] <booyaa> for your grandparents
[17:23] <Craig`> Yes that's me.
[17:24] <Craig`> it just arrived today, basically they're wanting to be able to print from any computer, and they've got an external hard drive lying around so I thought hey why not let them access their TV shows from any computer too.
[17:24] <Craig`> i'll go check what the router ip is, 2 seconds.
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[17:28] <Craig`> right i've ssh'd into it, i'll try out what the wiki recommends
[17:28] <trevorman> Craig`: don't forget to buy an external powered USB hub if you don't have one already
[17:29] <trevorman> the RPi won't be able to power that HD by itself
[17:29] <Craig`> yeah will do, thanks.
[17:31] <Craig`> `hdmi_safe=1` it doesn't say to type this into any configuration file so do I just type it in the terminal? (just nothing seems to happen), yeah i'm pretty novice sorry.
[17:31] <trevorman> into config.txt in /boot
[17:31] <Craig`> okay thanks
[17:32] <Craig`> wait, I don't need to worry about hdmi any way.
[17:32] <Craig`> once this is configured it'll just be connected to the router and hard drive, not hdmi.
[17:33] <trevorman> ah
[17:34] <trevorman> and printer
[17:34] <Craig`> uh, yeah.
[17:34] <Craig`> forgot about that one :)
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[18:02] <magiker> Anyone familiar with using old webcams? I'm having trouble with a Philips webcam in Arch
[18:02] <Aleksander> Hello. I was thinking about my idea to use RP as home audio center, and found one issue: do all Linux drivers work with ARM architecture?
[18:03] <Aleksander> magiker, what's the model?
[18:03] <magiker> Philips Vesta Pro... moel PCVC680k
[18:03] <magiker> the device connects / disconnects serveral times per second and is wrongly detected:
[18:03] <magiker> [ 1182.798240] pwc: Philips PCVC675K (Vesta) USB webcam detected.
[18:03] <magiker> [ 1182.811075] pwc: Failed to set video mode VGA@10 fps; return code = -32
[18:04] <magiker> i tried to install the setpwc binary but /dev/video0 is missing
[18:04] <ReggieUK> pwc driver seems to be fairly borked
[18:04] <ReggieUK> although there are some issues with the endpoints
[18:05] <magiker> yeah there are supposedly kernel patches for 2.6, but i want to keep the rolling kernel updates from arch
[18:05] <Aleksander> magiker, http://www.archlinux.it/forum/viewtopic.php?p=36979 says it's all up to the kernel version
[18:05] <ReggieUK> which is a pi issue
[18:07] <magiker> this webcam is unfortunately not supported by UVC
[18:07] <ReggieUK> even if you get it to recognise the device correctly, it will still have errors most likely
[18:07] <ReggieUK> due to the endpoints issue
[18:07] <magiker> what are these endpoints issues?
[18:08] <trevorman> Aleksander: no. not all drivers work with ARM.
[18:09] <ReggieUK> magiker, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12097&start=200#p146572
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[18:10] <ReggieUK> try this with the webcam plugged in
[18:10] <ReggieUK> lsusb -v | grep -iP "Transfer Type.*(Interrupt|Isochronous)" | wc -l
[18:10] <ReggieUK> if it returns more than 8, then that's probably why it keeps disconnecting/reconnecting
[18:11] <ReggieUK> mine returns 31
[18:11] <ReggieUK> that's 5 for the pi usb, smsc usb + lan and my hub, 26 for the camera
[18:11] <magiker> four hits
[18:11] <Aleksander> trevorman, is there a way to check if there is an external music card compatible with RP?
[18:12] <ReggieUK> have you tried to start the webcam in a low resolution (something like 160x120 worked for me)
[18:12] <magiker> i can't do anything with it at all
[18:12] <magiker> dmesg gets flooded with error messages
[18:12] <ReggieUK> I can't go any higher than that otherwise it constantly disconnects/reconnects/crashes the driver
[18:12] <trevorman> if its just a standard USB audio device then it should be fine
[18:12] <magiker> and udev takes up alot of resources
[18:13] <magiker> well it's old and ugly anyways... if i can't get it to work this evening i'll just buy a webcam listed as supported on elinux
[18:13] <ReggieUK> magiker, you said it returns 4 with that command
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[18:13] <magiker> yes
[18:14] <ReggieUK> so can I assume you haven't got a usb hub plugged in and you're plugging the camera directly into the pi?
[18:14] <magiker> that's true
[18:14] <magiker> no hub, i only have a radio-usb and the cam connected
[18:14] <ReggieUK> ahhhh
[18:14] <ReggieUK> well
[18:14] <ReggieUK> that might be an issue in itself :)
[18:14] <ReggieUK> basically, the pi can only supply around 100ma per port
[18:15] <ReggieUK> depending on the weather
[18:15] <ReggieUK> If I were you I'd try it with a powered usb hub
[18:16] <magiker> ahhh... yeah i'm using a power supply that delivers 1000mA
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[18:16] <magiker> but i've read about those problems
[18:16] <magiker> i only have a passive usb hub so that won't work... hmm... maybe i'll look into buying a proper hub then, and/or a better webcam
[18:17] <magiker> ReggieUK, thanks alot for helping out :)
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[18:21] <ReggieUK> you're welcome
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[18:22] <magiker> much obliged. are you using any webcam?
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[18:27] <Craig`> http://www.rpiforum.net/forum/tutorials/article/21-printing-using-cups-raspberry-pi/ .. I'm following this and i've done the first 2 steps (installing cups and setting up the usermod, however I can access raspi:631 and when I `ps aux` I can't see any mention of cups
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[18:29] <wirry> hello, I'm probably not the first to ask, but is there a guide on howto get dvbt working with an af9015 based stick? There is a thread @ raspberrypi.org which refers to some other thread, but I can't find that thread
[18:30] <thrawed> I didn't think dvbt worked because of codecs
[18:31] <wirry> i know that, the pi ist not licenced for mpeg2 but it should be possible to stream the signal over the network, right?
[18:34] <bertrik> there are plans/have been some experiments to transcode mpeg2 to mpeg4 but I don't think it's usable yet
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[18:35] <wirry> well, first i need to get the stick working on the raspberrypi
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[18:41] <Craig`> I'm trying to setup cups, should I be running cups-calibrate, cupstestdsc or cupstestppd -- i'm wanting to access the web interface
[18:41] <Craig`> from another local machine, raspi:631
[18:45] <Craig`> ignore me i've learned to read.
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[18:50] <magiker> hah
[18:50] <nx5> is it just me or the ffmpeg in raspbian has all sorts of bugs?
[18:51] <magiker> ffpmeg is one of the biggest and most complex software suites
[18:52] <mru> ffmpeg is obsolete, it's libav now
[18:52] <nx5> depends on who you ask
[18:53] <nx5> anyway, do I need to compile something else?
[18:53] <mru> how about asking the ones who do all the development work?
[18:53] <nx5> because as it is right now I'm even getting segmentation faults
[18:54] <mru> try libav
[18:54] <mru> if you still have problems I can help you
[18:54] <nx5> is there a package or do I need to compile it?
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[18:58] <mru> from what I can tell, rasbian has only libav
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[19:00] <nx5> mru: http://sirlagz.net/?p=493 : "First thing we need to do is to get a version of ffmpeg that can stream. The version that comes with the current version of Raspbian and Debian have issues streaming, so the sources from deb-multimedia are needed."
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[19:02] <yarekt> Is there a page about the GPIO and SPI support somewhere ? I'd like to know GPIO's capabilities, I might need to connect a bunch of ADCs maybe through something like a shift register. How fast can i clock GPIO basically?
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> yarekt, you can toggle a single pin at about 20Mhz.
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> easier to use SPI to connect up ADCs
[19:03] <Holden> yarekt, http://codeandlife.com/2012/07/03/benchmarking-raspberry-pi-gpio-speed/
[19:04] <yarekt> Whoa thats pretty impressive, Same kind of rates for reading too ?
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> there is a 2-channel SPI ADC on the Gertboard.
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> however the max. clock is supports is only about 2MHz IIRC.
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> and it takes 16 bit times to do a sample, so you can work out the max. sample rate from that.
[19:05] <yarekt> up to 100KHz will work for me
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[19:05] <gordonDrogon> the pi isn't really setup for high-speed real-time stuff. you'll have issues with accurate timing.
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[19:09] <gordonDrogon> Hm. might try to replicate that with my own little scope... it'll make a little diversion from what I'm currently doing!
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure I can get more than 7MHz :)
[19:10] <yarekt> What kind of issues, missing samples ?
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[19:11] <yarekt> I'd like to capture basically what look like a bunch of audio signals, maybe 10, 20 channels, Sampling rate doesn't have to great, but the closer to 44kHz the better
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[19:19] <gordonDrogon> accutate timing issues - Linux will get in the way.
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> personally, I think you'll struggle to sample that many channels.
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> so the timing issues will present themselves as jitter - the time between samples will vary.
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> if you write a program to e.g. output a square wave, it will have long gaps...
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[19:28] <yarekt> Damn, I might have to come up with a different way to sample this data
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> 0.086uS period - about 11.6MHz.
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[19:29] <yarekt> I wonder if its better to write a bare metal binary that will just read of GPIO and send to network at 44kHz
[19:30] <sundancer> yarekt what are you trying to do?
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> with no OS?
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> even then, AIUI, the GPU will get in the way to refersh the video & DRAM...
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[19:30] <yarekt> Gah
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> The Pi is an excellent platform for demonstrating the basics of IO and control, but not so good when it comes to proper fine-tuned real-time stuff.
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[19:33] <yarekt> But that happens a lot faster than 44kHz. I'm betting that If i add a shift register onto the GPIO, and store the digitised waveform in some sort of a cache separately, have the pi clock the cache and read all pins and send to network in a loop. Even if it gets interrupted, the cache will keep storing the data
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[19:33] <yarekt> I was also planning to write this in node.js initially. I guess i was crazy
[19:34] <WASD> gordonDrogon: you there?
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[19:34] <gordonDrogon> WASD, hi..
[19:34] <WASD> gordonDrogon: /usr/local/include/lcd.h:32:34: error: unknown type name 'uint8_t'
[19:35] <WASD> happy to see you again :)
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> WASD, is that compiling wiringPi ?
[19:35] <WASD> Yes
[19:35] <WASD> with lcd.h included
[19:35] <WASD> oh
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> your own program?
[19:35] <WASD> yes
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> ok, add in #include <stdint.h>
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> into your own program - after e.g. #include <stdio.h>
[19:36] <WASD> there we go
[19:36] <WASD> thanks :#
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> small omission. I forget that a lot of people aren't familiar with that.
[19:36] <WASD> I just got myself a HD44780
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> a uint8_t is an unsigned char
[19:36] <dennistlg> 20x2 display stuff?
[19:37] <WASD> Since it gave the error from your file, I assumed it was a bug in your code!
[19:37] <WASD> 16x2
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> and the stdint stuff was new in the c99 standard..
[19:37] <dennistlg> ah ok
[19:37] <dennistlg> ^^
[19:37] <WASD> $4.70 on dealextreme
[19:40] <dennistlg> the next days i play with PCD8544
[19:41] <dennistlg> 48x84 monocrome lcd ( nokia 3310)
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[19:43] <[SLB]> who was using znc here?
[19:43] <[SLB]> hm
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[19:45] <miceiken> I am using znc for what its worth
[19:47] <[SLB]> i made the configuration and ran znc, if i've set default channels to connect to, it should connect right away, right?
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[19:48] <[SLB]> also i should be able to get into the webadmin page via browser pointing to ip:port
[19:48] <[SLB]> i think there's something wrong, hm
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[20:00] <[SLB]> i think i got it
[20:00] <npm> comments? http://www.nielsmayer.com/bin/view/Raspberry+Pi/Notes+on+Qt5%2C+Multimedia%2C+OpenMax+Acceleration%2C+5.1+Audio
[20:01] <megrimm> hello my application on the pi is complaining of no "GLX extension" ???. is there a driver or something i need to install?
[20:02] <npm> if you find it let everybody know
[20:02] <npm> and or see my link above megrimm
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[20:03] <megrimm> ok ill take a look at it npm??? thanks
[20:03] <npm> omxplayer ? ( http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=13584 )
[20:04] <OpenSys> folks BCM in only possible in gpio 4 right ?
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> you can read from all 17 exposed GPIO pins ...
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> not sure what you mean by BCM in though..
[20:06] <npm> it's not easy or simple otherwise i'd have it running. i did manage to watch http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/17/daniel_ellsberg_i_congratulate_ecuador_for in low-res highly compressed video podcast via gpodder and smplayer yesterday on the pi, via hdmi
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[20:07] <npm> and http://www.nielsmayer.com/bin/view/MeeGo/QmlTube mostly runs, but displays first video frame and audio for rest of youtube
[20:08] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, i need to make tones with a buzzer, seams that only gpio 4 gets its, but only needs to get lux levels, i tested with gpio 25 and none data
[20:08] <npm> it compiled w/o any changes from my sources http://www.nielsmayer.com/bin/view/Raspberry+Pi/Compile+and+Run+qmltube
[20:08] <OpenSys> with gpio 4 works
[20:09] <OpenSys> i think that is pwm mode
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, there is no difference between 4 and 25.
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> if you want pwm, then it's pin 18.
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> however if it's a piezeo speaker, then making it produce a tone is going to be challenging.
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[20:10] <gordonDrogon> what software are you using to use the gpio's ?
[20:11] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, python libs
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[20:11] <OpenSys> other question
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, ok. I don't use python, but no reason they don't work - as long as you setup the pins for outputs, you should be able to use them.
[20:12] <OpenSys> Is mcp23017 IC pwm capable ?
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> no
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> it's 16 ins/outs only.
[20:14] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, ok. I need to meter voltages levels, all GPIO is capable of that ? or only the pin 18 (gpio 24)?
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> to read voltages you'll need some sort of external A to D convertor.
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> the GPIOs are digital only.
[20:15] <miceiken> No UNRAR program found, unpacking RAR files is not possible
[20:15] <miceiken> suggestions ? :D
[20:15] <miceiken> sabnzbd btw
[20:15] <OpenSys> ok gordonDrogon, analogic to digital. thank you
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> sudo apt-get install rar
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[20:16] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, you might want to look at the Gertboard - it has solutions for that.
[20:16] <trumee> anybody managed to get usbip running on RPi?
[20:16] <miceiken> gordonDrogon, no such package
[20:17] <trumee> on Raspbian
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[20:18] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, yes but is big :) so i need to get some i2c IC to convert A to D
[20:18] <trumee> I want share a usb microphone in an openwrt router with RPi
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[20:18] <trumee> since snd-usb-audio is so poor on RPi
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> miceiken, Ah. it's present in debian squeeze... oh well.
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, or SPI. The Gertboard has a small 8-pin SPI A/D convertor chip.
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[20:19] <OpenSys> correct
[20:21] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, you is the webmaster of projects.drogon.net ?
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, yes.
[20:22] <OpenSys> :) great examples that you have there. thanks for sharing
[20:22] <thrawed> are people still called webmasters?
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, thanks.
[20:22] <markllama> only people who are still unemployed since 2003
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> I'd normally just say "that's my site" ... however different language, customs, interpretations, etc...
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[20:24] <trumee> does gentoo run with 3.1.9 in pi too?
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[20:27] <chickey999> hey guys any plex users in here ?
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[20:30] <miceiken> Question 1: http://pastebin.com/r5J2m9Yg Why does it cancel? Quetion 2: How to change to english locale?
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[20:31] <gordonDrogon> for 2. try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> or dpkg-reconfigure locale
[20:33] <miceiken> gordonDrogon, on the first one
[20:33] <miceiken> http://pastebin.com/TKG589hi
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> miceiken, no idea.
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[20:33] <miceiken> gordonDrogon, that's the locale :p
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> Hm. looks odd to me.
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> let me try it...
[20:34] <miceiken> sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[20:34] <miceiken> SSSSS
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[20:35] <gordonDrogon> ah yes, localles.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> but both work OK for me on a Raspbian Pi.
[20:37] <miceiken> err i did that, its still in norwegian though
[20:37] <miceiken> what should I choose, en_GB.xxx?
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> not sure. let me check what mine is set to - I presume you want english and not norwegian then?
[20:38] <miceiken> yes
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8
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[20:39] <miceiken> lol had to relog
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[20:41] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, found one PCF8591 I2C 4 ch 8 bit A/D
[20:41] <miceiken> http://paste2.org/p/2129812 anyone?
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, I've not done ant i2c stuff yet, but there's no reason it won't work..
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> try doing apt-get upgrade first.
[20:43] <OpenSys> one question about i2c, when exists two IC in same address like 0x20
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[20:44] <gordonDrogon> they don't work
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[20:44] <OpenSys> who i chose the right one ?
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> some i2c devices have additional select address bits.
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[20:45] <gordonDrogon> looks like that chip has 3 address inputs which modify the I2c address bus number,
[20:45] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, http://paste2.org/p/2129820
[20:45] <comradekingu> miceiken: setxkbmap gb
[20:45] <miceiken> wat
[20:46] <OpenSys> they will show in column n 1 ?
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> So it's device ID 0x48 through 0x4F
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> so you can have 8 of them on the bus.
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> See page 6 of the manual.
[20:46] <plugwash> if two devices have the same address they will respond at the same time which is probablly not what you want. Some devices have address pins, some devices come in multiple variants with different addresses.
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[20:47] <miceiken> pi@raspbmc:~$ setxkbmap no
[20:47] <miceiken> -bash: setxkbmap: command not found
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, that's an exampe or from your Pi?
[20:47] <OpenSys> right but for example two mcp23017 in the same i2c bus
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> you need to set the address pins to keep them separate.
[20:48] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, yes
[20:48] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, so i need other i2c bus
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> they have 3 input address pins. you need to connect them to Vcc or 0v to set the addresses.
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, no - you need to read the data sheet and set the address pins on each device - give each device a different address ID.
[20:49] <OpenSys> i think that exist other one
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> going for some supper. back later.
[20:49] <OpenSys> ls -lsa /dev/i2c-
[20:49] <OpenSys> i2c-0 i2c-1
[20:49] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, humm ok
[20:50] <OpenSys> the i2c-1 its pin's hide
[20:50] <OpenSys> no ?
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[20:50] <miceiken> comradekingu, I just realized this probably is supposed to go into a configuration file.
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[20:51] <miceiken> /etc/default/locale
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[20:55] <niklaswe> how can i increase the sound in raspberry pi?
[20:56] <swecide> try alsamixer
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[20:57] <niklaswe> swecide: but i dont have that command.. i using openelec..
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[20:58] <miceiken> is there any difference in volume between hdmi and jack?
[20:59] <swecide> niklaswe: Then I don't know, sorry. I'm usig an audio cable with built in volume control :P
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[21:28] <trumee> git clone https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux.git seems to be stuck, is there a problem with github?
[21:29] <trumee> ah finally it has started to pull
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[21:32] * gordonDrogon ponders...
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> think there might be a bug in wiringPi to do with pin pull up/down control.. although it works OK via the gpio program, a bit of C I'm working on is not behaving right...
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[21:46] <niklaswe> how cani see temperature in openelece (raspberry pi) ?
[21:48] <trevorman> niklaswe: get a thermometer. the RPi doesn't have any temperature sensors. you need to add them yourself if you want it.
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[22:19] <Tz1m1sc3> hey guys
[22:20] <OpenSys> testing it: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vPvu_xpiuyPX3FglMaDvlWLXcMG99Hg2dt3ODIIxR0I4aIWnn7XBKCXiAuYJhpWgsWLT9lygrOA
[22:20] <OpenSys> :)
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[22:21] <[SLB]> hm i ran rpi-update right now, did it just broke out?
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> forbidden...
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[22:21] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], has your pi crashed, or just stopped? IT can take some time to do a rpi-update...
[22:22] <dangerousdave> hello, just got my raspberry pi, woo hoo
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[22:22] <gordonDrogon> dangerousdave, woo hoo indeed. Plug it in, get it going :)
[22:22] <[SLB]> in the process of updating
[22:22] <[SLB]> tons of lines like
[22:22] <[SLB]> Input/output errorcp: cannot create directory `//lib/modules/3.1.9+/kernel/fs/xfs': Input/output errorcp: cannot create directory `//lib/modules/3.1.9+/kernel/fs/hfs': Input/output err
[22:22] <[SLB]> never happened before hm
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> er, that's typically not good..
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> sd card full?
[22:23] <[SLB]> hm something wrong happened, i can't execute any command now
[22:24] <[SLB]> slb@pi ~ $ df -h
[22:24] <[SLB]> bash: /bin/df: cannot execute binary file
[22:24] <clever> [SLB]: dmesg?
[22:24] <dangerousdave> gordonDrogon: :-), i did 10 minutes ago, and in my haste i edited my default config.txt without copying it first, I wonder if anyone here has the default text, and wouldn't mind sharing please
[22:24] <[SLB]> cannot execute binary file
[22:24] <[SLB]> O_o
[22:24] <clever> [SLB]: feels like the fs drivers have crapped out
[22:24] <[SLB]> all of a sudden
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> dangerousdave, config.txt is ok to be empty.
[22:24] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, right google...
[22:24] <OpenSys> https://p.twimg.com/A0hgiJlCMAA-jA5.jpg:large
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[22:25] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, ah, excellent. is that an i2c display?
[22:25] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, nop, hd44780
[22:25] <[SLB]> let's see what i can do now..
[22:25] <dangerousdave> gordonDrogon: i uncommented loads of stuf to get it working with my monitor, now i want to find the exact line that did it, hence wanting to know what it looked like to begin with
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[22:25] <OpenSys> controled by mcp23017
[22:25] <clever> [SLB]: about all you can do is reboot
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[22:26] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, I have a drivr to control those directly from gpio if interested..
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> dangerousdave, ok. the default is usually empty, but I think they have a big commented one in newre releases now - mine are minimal.
[22:27] <[SLB]> okay brb
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[22:27] <gordonDrogon> dangerousdave, the first one is disableoverscan=1
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[22:27] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, i know but i need the gpio's for other things :)
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> er, disable_overscan=1
[22:27] <dangerousdave> gordonDrogon: ah right, i want my comments back!
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> OpenSys, ok.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> dangerousdave, unpack the original image ...
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[22:28] <dangerousdave> anyone else willing to share their raspbian config.txt?
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[22:29] <toofarapart> dangerousdave: http://pastebin.com/TahvghA0
[22:29] <dangerousdave> gordonDrogon: good idea, ok
[22:30] <dangerousdave> toofarapart: awesome, thanks!
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[22:33] <[SLB]> the root partition is not recognized
[22:33] <trevorman> [SLB]: that your overclocked RPi?
[22:33] <[SLB]> no was at 700
[22:33] <trevorman> its booting but not recognising the FS?
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], can you read the SD card on another Linux box?
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> it might need a good fsck, but it could be so thoroughly corrupted that ...
[22:34] <[SLB]> not booting, i mounted the partition here and can only mount the boot partition (also it doesn't have all the files) doesn't mount the root partition at all, but gparted shows the % of usage
[22:35] <[SLB]> let's see
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[22:37] <[SLB]> does rpi-update touch only files in /boot? or messes up somewhere else too?
[22:37] <[SLB]> because i think i have a backup of /boot only in case
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> /boot and /lib/modules/
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> and some of the stuff under /opt/vc too I think.
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> I'd make sure you can read the 2nd partition on another Linux PC if possible.
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> if not, then there's no point in trying to restore /boot
[22:38] <[SLB]> yes sorry now i seem i can read the second one
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> what device is it?
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> ie. /dev/sdd2, or ... ?
[22:39] <[SLB]> sdf2 it's /
[22:39] <[SLB]> label 8fe3c9 etc
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> ok, try this: sudo fsck -fC /dev/sdf2
[22:39] <[SLB]> thanks
[22:39] <[SLB]> i unmount first?
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> yes
[22:40] <[SLB]> oks moment
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[22:42] <dennistlg> gordon do you have a working spi driver?
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> yes
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> it's in the kernel.
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> well - the later kernels.
[22:42] <[SLB]> it said it fixed some stuff
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> that's what I'm using for the PiFace.
[22:43] <dennistlg> thumps up!
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], ok, but not too many... so give it a go again...
[22:43] <[SLB]> at boot or fsck?
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> booting...
[22:43] <[SLB]> oks thanks, let's see
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> if the stuff in /boot is corrupt, I can fix you up there if you don't want to unpack the sd image again.
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[22:46] <trumee> clever: ping
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[22:48] <Tz1m1sc3> i ordered a case & a 4,3" TFT screen for my pi
[22:50] <clever> trumee: ?
[22:51] <trumee> clever: i have followed to build gentoo image/kernel. Is there any way to set network to start before booting the system?
[22:52] <trumee> s/followed/ folowed http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[22:52] <clever> trumee: the kernel does have some options like ip= and dhcp=, but is the network driver a module or built in?
[22:52] <trumee> clever: no idea, i didnt have to configue the kernel like in the wiki
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[22:52] <trumee> clever: there is a readymade .config file
[22:53] <clever> trumee: i just copoed /proc/config.gz from my running pi
[22:53] <clever> that gave me the exact config i knew worked
[22:53] <trumee> clever: do you have usbip in there?
[22:53] <clever> usbip?
[22:53] <SRCR> trumee: I did the same to get the config for my kernel
[22:54] <SRCR> Tz1m1sc3: got a link to the TFT ?
[22:54] <trumee> clever: http://usbip.sourceforge.net/
[22:54] <trumee> clever: it is a kernel option to share usb devices, it is in staging
[22:54] <clever> trumee: ah, never seen it before
[22:54] <clever> sounds neat
[22:55] <SRCR> trumee: My Pi runs gentoo
[22:55] <trumee> clever: my plan is to share soundcard from another device to Pi. Since snd-usb-audio on pi is 'pathetic'
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[22:55] <mru> SRCR: cross-compiled?
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[22:56] <trumee> SRCR: what kernel do you use?
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[22:56] <SRCR> mru: tried that, but failed (the initial gentoo was in vm)
[22:56] <SRCR> I started from a stage4 http://intelminer.com/blog/?p=18
[22:56] <WASD> gordonDrogon: Should pins D0-D3 or D4-D7 be used in 4bit mode on the LCD? A page I found says 4-7 but your website says "Only the first 4 are used if you are running the display in 4-bit mode."
[22:56] <trumee> SRCR: was it the advanatge of stage4?
[22:56] <mru> SRCR: running gentoo on your pc?
[22:57] <SRCR> trumee: 3.1.9
[22:57] <Tz1m1sc3> SRCR: the same as the one from adafruit but oredered from their distributor florris.cc
[22:57] <trumee> mru:yes on 3 boxes here :)
[22:57] <mru> then cross-compiling is easy
[22:57] <clever> ive got gentoo on 4 of my systems at home
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[22:57] <SRCR> I don't have a gentoo box.
[22:57] <trumee> mru: i am following http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[22:58] <trumee> mru:there is crossdev for kernel compilation
[22:58] <trumee> SRCR: seems there is a better kernel 3.2.23
[22:58] <mru> not only for kernel
[22:58] <clever> yeah, crossdev is for everything
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[22:58] <clever> ive used it for AVR microcontrolers already
[22:58] <SRCR> trumee: I tried never kernels, but the Pi fialed to boot those (rainbow square)
[22:59] <mru> once in a while something needs a little patching, but usually that takes less time than a native build
[22:59] <mru> even on fast arm hardware
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[22:59] <mru> and rpi is not fast
[22:59] <trumee> mru:how do i cross compile?
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[22:59] <mru> set a few env variables and run emerge as usual
[23:00] <mru> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> WASD, Hm. wonder if I'm refering to the first 4 from the Pi's side..
[23:00] <SRCR> crossdev -S -v -t armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi
[23:00] <trumee> mru: there is a stage3 already available, i dont have to start from scratch?
[23:00] <SRCR> accoring to the gentoo pi page
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> WASD, let me check the code - in one of the demos, I run one in 8-bit and one in 4-bit mode.
[23:00] <WASD> gordonDrogon: I'm reading http://joshuagalloway.com/lcd.html right now
[23:01] <WASD> Check the first images when you scroll down
[23:01] <mru> on a fast pc, cross-compiling a small arm system takes only an hour or so
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> WASD, yes, it's the upper 4 bits.
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> WASD, however they're passed into the lcdInit() call as the first 4 pins.
[23:01] <[SLB]> now i can't mount in rw the boot partition to copy over the boot files because it says it has errors
[23:01] <WASD> gordonDrogon: I see. It was a bit confusing. I'll connect D4-D7 then
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> WASD, so fd1 = lcdInit (4, 20, 4, 8, 9, 4,5,6,7,0,0,0,0) ; for 4-bit mode.
[23:02] <[SLB]> i guess i can just format it and copy the boot files over
[23:02] <trumee> mru: is it possible to take the help of distcc while compiling native on Pi?
[23:02] <mru> sure
[23:02] <[SLB]> hope i haven't lose the system partition, i'd be very annoyed >.<
[23:02] <mranostay> helpful mru?
[23:03] <SRCR> trumee: ere is that 3.2.23 download location ?
[23:03] <mru> mranostay: I'm always helpful
[23:03] <mru> mranostay: sometimes the targets don't realise it
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[23:03] <trumee> SRCR: https://github.com/bootc/linux/tree/rpi-3.2.23
[23:03] <trumee> i am hoping that 3.2.23 fixes the snd-usb-audio distorted sound
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[23:05] <gordonDrogon> I'm running 3.2.23.
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.23+ #3 PREEMPT Wed Jul 18 17:56:26 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> however I don't really do sound on my Pi's...
[23:07] <SRCR> gordonDrogon: how do you build (beside the obvious) copy zImage to kernel.img ?
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> SRCR, I used a cross compiler then copied zImage to kernel.img ..
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> cross compiler from bootc's site...
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> although I did once compile it on a Pi itself - took just over 2 hours.
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[23:08] <trumee> gordonDrogon: audio is the only reason i bought Pi :(
[23:08] <SRCR> hmm.. ok.. I don't crosscompile I let the Pi do the work.
[23:08] <trumee> gordonDrogon: i had plenty of openwrt router to do the usual stuff.
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> I've not even played a movie on any of mine...
[23:09] <SRCR> I'm currentley emerging something, but I'll check this 3.2.23 later :)
[23:09] <trumee> but CPU/fpu for audio encoding was the reason of buying my pi
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> I don't have a 1080p TV... only just got my self a small 720p TV.
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> trumee, Pi's going to be really slow for encoding without the help of the GPU - compared to a modern desktop/laptop anyway...
[23:10] <trumee> gordonDrogon: no, encoding is fine. i have tried with darkice, stays about 70% cpu
[23:10] <SRCR> gordonDrogon: what is the difference between the bootc kernel and a normal linux kernel anyway ?
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[23:10] <trumee> gordonDrogon: so it does serve my purpose if only the audio wasnt distorted
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> trumee, ok...
[23:11] <trumee> gordonDrogon: so i want to skip the usb audio. i will stick a usb soundcard in a openwrt router, and use usbip to do the encode on Pi
[23:11] <trumee> thats the plan anyway
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> SRCR, not sure - the foundation are supporting the 3.1.9 ones, and bootc supporting 3.2.23, etc... which I think had all the same patches applied - at least as of a few weeks back.
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> trumee, it's not an area I do a lot in (audio). been years since I ripped a CD - probabl because I've never bought any new CDs!
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[23:13] <gordonDrogon> trumee, are you playing via hdmi?
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[23:14] <trumee> trumee: i dont use audio out on Pi. i encode the stream on Pi and use icecast to stream
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[23:15] <[SLB]> meh.
[23:15] <[SLB]> booting, maybe
[23:16] <trumee> mru: do i need to do any think special for "safe hdmi" or something for video?
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[23:17] <mru> safe hdmi?
[23:17] <trumee> mru:when i tried raspbian, i had to enable "safe hdmi" before i got audio out
[23:17] <trumee> s/audio out/video out
[23:17] <mru> no idea what that means
[23:17] <markllama> me either. I haven't seen that before.
[23:18] <trumee> mru: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#No_HDMI_output_at_all
[23:19] <trumee> mru:is that debian image issue?
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[23:23] <[SLB]> ok pi is back up and running
[23:24] <[SLB]> thanks gordonDrogon
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> ah, excellent. Most bizarre how it failed though.
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> now take a backup :)
[23:24] <[SLB]> yups eheh :)
[23:26] <trumee> mru: yup, i had to do it before my tv showed up the video
[23:26] <trumee> yay! gentoo booted up
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[23:29] <Gallomimia> can someone show me a set of instructions to download a package onto my computer and transfer it to the SD card i have for my pi to install offline?
[23:30] <Syliss> Gallomimia what os?
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[23:30] <Gallomimia> raspbian on the pi
[23:30] <Gallomimia> osx 10.6.8 on the lappy
[23:30] <plugwash> you can download it like any other file and then install it with dpkg -i
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[23:30] <plugwash> the problem is dependencies
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[23:30] <Syliss> download an image and dd it to the sd card
[23:31] <Gallomimia> surely i can look up dependencies
[23:31] <Syliss> lol
[23:31] <plugwash> debian wasn't really designed for use without an internet connection
[23:31] <mongrelion> nor archlinux.
[23:31] <plugwash> Gallomimia, sure you can it just gets bloody painful
[23:31] <Gallomimia> right.... interesting
[23:31] <Gallomimia> i can get it hooked up to net sometimes
[23:31] <Gallomimia> but for those occasions i can't
[23:31] <Syliss> kinda funny how linux kinda relies on interents
[23:31] <Syliss> internets*
[23:32] <plugwash> you can also download the entire repo with rsync but it's not something i'd generally reccomend
[23:33] <Gallomimia> it's a pi. i have an 8 gig card that's mostly full
[23:33] <Gallomimia> i have vlc on it which seems to just bomb
[23:33] <Gallomimia> so i wanna try mplayer
[23:33] <Gallomimia> i think i'd best get my hands messy with the entire raspbian distry :/
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[23:35] <[SLB]> hm i didn't notice this before but i guess it's right, anyone with the 240 mem split can do a sudo cat /proc/meminfo please, is it memtotal 236816 kb?
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[23:38] <Gallomimia> is this the only channel for rpi? are there different ones for raspbian and gpio specific?
[23:38] <Gallomimia> has it grown that much yet?
[23:39] <lupinedk> #raspbian - thats one
[23:39] <Berry6510> i donated my raspberry Pi to someone in Africa
[23:39] <toofarapart> [SLB]: no need to use sudo for that
[23:40] <Berry6510> as the second one is on it's way
[23:40] <[SLB]> oh okai i didn't even try without :3
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[23:46] <dennistlg> anyone know the memory timings from pi?
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[23:47] <dennistlg> the samsung chip is rated for 333mhz 400mhz 533mhz on my pi i testet 500mhz without errors next step 550 ;-)
[23:51] <mru> uh, which of those is it rated for?
[23:51] <dennistlg> on pi default is 400mhz
[23:52] <plugwash> mru, memory chips usually have ratings given for multiple frequencies
[23:52] <dennistlg> its variate on the timings
[23:52] <mru> 400MHz clock or data rate?
[23:52] <plugwash> with a set of timing requirements given for each
[23:52] <mru> plugwash: memory chips have _one_ maximum clock they can run at
[23:52] <mru> they're happy to run slower
[23:53] <mru> you might get away with lowering some latencies (measured in clocks) at lower rates
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[23:55] <plugwash> mru, afaict it's not a case of getting away with, the memory chip manufacturers tell you what latencies you can use at each clockspeed
[23:55] <mru> some latencies are a fixed number of clock cycles
[23:55] <plugwash> for modules this info is stored on the spd eeprom, presumablly for raw memory chips it's in the datasheet
[23:56] <mru> some others are mainly determined by propagation delays
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[23:56] <mru> the latter ones are (more or less) constant time independent of clock rate
[23:56] <mru> does the memory chip have a number on it?
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[23:58] <plugwash> The Pi I have here has a samsung K4P2G324-AGC1
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[23:58] <plugwash> though I belive there are multiple makes/models of ram chip in use
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