#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-08-18

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[0:00] <dennistlg> http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/product/mobile-dram/detail?iaId=747&productId=7611
[0:00] <dennistlg> 550mhz bootet
[0:00] <mru> booting is one thing
[0:00] <mru> is it stable under load?
[0:00] <dennistlg> runing benchmarks to confirm overclcking
[0:00] <dennistlg> now runing stabily test
[0:00] <[SLB]> what are you running?
[0:01] <mru> make sure you test all of the ram
[0:01] <dennistlg> for benchmarking the ram mbw benchmark for stabily test memtester
[0:01] <sundancer> question is why are you overclocking? :)
[0:01] <clever> memtest86+ doesnt apply so well anymore :S
[0:01] <mru> the overclocking tolerance can vary across different parts of the chip
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[0:02] <trevorman> dennistlg: the Samsung RAM is rated for 400MHz only
[0:02] <dennistlg> mru cant test the complete ram ( gpu reserved area can not ) and system is bootet so ram is in use.
[0:03] <dennistlg> where do you see this
[0:03] <trevorman> C1 = 800Mbps
[0:03] <mru> then you need to allocate as much as you can at once
[0:03] <trevorman> the product selection guide tell you
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[0:04] <trevorman> Samsung K4P2G324ED-AGC1 = 2Gb 1x32 400MHz 1.2V LPDDR2
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[0:07] <dennistlg> hm ok thanks
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[0:08] <mru> is the memory clock tied to some internal bus clock?
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[0:08] <clever> which config.txt controls memory?
[0:08] <trevorman> RAM clock is separate
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> there is the userland program: memtester
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[0:09] <gordonDrogon> it's written in C so is platform independant.
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[0:09] <dennistlg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6201&start=125#p126308
[0:09] <mru> what is the internal bus clock?
[0:09] <mru> and how wide is it?
[0:09] <dennistlg> gordon i use this to test
[0:09] * plugwash notes that being written in C doesn't nessacerally imply being platform independent
[0:10] <mru> if written by someone holding that believe, it almost certainly isn't
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[0:10] <trevorman> dennistlg: the Hynix RAM is the same. 400MHz
[0:10] <dennistlg> clever sdram_freq frequency of SDRAM in MHz. Default 400.
[0:10] <clever> dennistlg: ah, simple :)
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[0:11] <dennistlg> trevorman ok nice to know
[0:11] <dennistlg> benchmark and short stabily test ok now going to 600mhz
[0:12] <clever> i should mess with them later to see if it can effect gpio speed
[0:12] <clever> i peaked at ~22mhz just toggling a pin with 3 instructions
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[0:14] <dennistlg> 600mhz bootet up
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[0:18] <dennistlg> 600mhz benchamrks done
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[0:22] <WASD> gordonDrogon: When I connected VSS and VDD using 3.3V my RPi shut down. Is that supposed to happen? I'm afraid something even worse will happen if I connect it to 5V which I found out my LCD uses
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[0:24] <dennistlg> thin cpu frequenzy is a bottleneck on every benchmark and stabily test cpu usage is 100%
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[0:30] <gordonDrogon> WASD, it's possible it was tryin to suck more out of the 3.3 than the Pi can handle - e.g. I think the LED backlight is a bit sucky...
[0:31] <gordonDrogon> WASD, I'd connect it to 5V, but make sure the R/W is tied to ground first. also try with the the +5v and no GPIOs connected - backlight ought to be on and you can tweak the contrast pot ...
[0:31] <WASD> Yes I'll try that, thanks
[0:31] <WASD> If I ping timeout, my pi died
[0:31] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[0:32] <WASD> died as in shut down at least :)
[0:32] <IT_Sean> Oh, okay, then.
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[0:37] <trumee> mru: ping
[0:38] <mru> what now?
[0:38] <WASD> gordonDrogon: I did another test. I powered it all from my regular computers USB. The backlight is fine but once I connect VSS the backlight died.
[0:38] <WASD> which I find odd
[0:39] <trumee> mru: i have done crossdev -S -v -t armv6j-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi on the distcc helper system. However, i dont see compilers set for arm in /usr/lib/distcc/bin
[0:39] <gordonDrogon> WASD, Hm. Checking the displays I have and they have a separat 5v supply for the backlight.
[0:39] <mru> it's a while since I've run such a setup
[0:39] <mru> but it can be done
[0:40] <WASD> I connected mine to the same
[0:40] <WASD> I connected a LED as well and it turns dimmer when VSS is connected
[0:40] <mru> read some manuals
[0:40] <trumee> mru: cheers
[0:41] <gordonDrogon> WASD, what the part number you have? maybe it has integrated backlight?
[0:41] <WASD> The back of it is also heating up.
[0:42] <WASD> It is http://dx.com/p/16-x-2-character-lcd-display-module-with-blue-backlight-121356
[0:42] <gordonDrogon> WASD, er, are you sure you've connecting it the right way...
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[0:42] <WASD> I'm pretty sure
[0:42] <WASD> The A and K are anode and catode for backlight
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[0:42] <WASD> that was the first thing I tried and it's working fine
[0:42] <WASD> I have doublechecked my connections
[0:43] <gordonDrogon> WASD, this is the last unit I bought: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/basic-20x4-character-lcd-black-on-green-5v-p-144.html
[0:43] <WASD> VDD is ground right?
[0:43] <gordonDrogon> try leaving the backlight unconnected.
[0:43] <WASD> oh
[0:43] <WASD> wait a minute
[0:43] <gordonDrogon> no
[0:43] <WASD> hah
[0:43] <WASD> oh my
[0:44] <WASD> I mixed up plus and minus
[0:44] <WASD> what a silly mistake
[0:44] <gordonDrogon> well you might get away with it...
[0:45] <WASD> nothing damaged on the LCD i hope
[0:45] <WASD> the pi is fine
[0:46] <gordonDrogon> the naming conventions are all bizarre - Vd and Vs refers to the pins on an FET - Drain and Source.
[0:47] <WASD> time to connect it to the Pi
[0:48] <gordonDrogon> and... ?
[0:48] <WASD> It survived 3.3V
[0:48] <WASD> dimmer backlight
[0:48] <WASD> I'm gonna try and run the software
[0:48] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, specifically the pins on a N channel fet
[0:49] <plugwash> but the naming stuck when we moved to CMOS
[0:49] <plugwash> (from NMOS)
[0:49] <gordonDrogon> WASD, good luck...
[0:50] <WASD> software did nothing as expected
[0:50] <gordonDrogon> :)
[0:50] <gordonDrogon> do you have it connected to 5v or 3.3v
[0:50] <WASD> 3.3 right now
[0:50] <WASD> and it's a 5V display
[0:51] <WASD> Can I power it from an external 5V source and control it from the Rpi?
[0:51] <WASD> making sure RW is grounded
[0:51] <gordonDrogon> yea,but you can also power it from the 5V on the Pi.
[0:51] <WASD> I'll try that now then..
[0:51] <gordonDrogon> I'd start by powering it from 5V on the pi, ground r/w but not connect up any signal wires.
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> then use the pot (did you fit one?) to adjust the contrast.
[0:52] <WASD> yes I'm disconnecting the now
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[0:52] <WASD> I just have a 10K resistor for contrast
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
[0:52] <gordonDrogon> connected to what?
[0:52] <WASD> 5V right now
[0:52] <WASD> and it survived :D
[0:53] <WASD> time to add the GPIO connections
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> ok I think directly connected to 5v then you ought to see the pixels on the display.
[0:53] <gordonDrogon> that's what I see on mine,anyway.
[0:53] <WASD> i see very dim pixels yeah
[0:53] <WASD> but so i did when just turning the backlight on
[0:54] <gordonDrogon> ok. see if you can send data to it.
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[0:55] <WASD> yes I'm connecting the GPIOs now
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[0:56] <WASD> It's not displaying anything but at least my RPi is fine
[0:56] <WASD> is it possible I destroyed it by running 5V in the wrong way?
[0:56] <WASD> it did heat up from it
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[0:57] <gordonDrogon> it's very possible, but at least the LCD drives are working - as a check, remove the 10K resistor...
[0:57] <WASD> still nothing showing
[0:57] <gordonDrogon> that pin can be directly connected to +5v anyway, however you're probably playing safe.
[0:57] <WASD> I'll make it 100 ohm
[0:58] <gordonDrogon> I'd leave it for now. when you initialise the display it ought to flicker IIRC.
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[0:58] <WASD> just the backlight is on, no pixels
[0:59] <WASD> gonna check my software
[1:01] <WASD> it seems fine. I have connected D4-D7 but pass the pins for the first 4 arguments
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[1:02] <gordonDrogon> ok, well good luck with it - I'm off to bed now.
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[1:03] <WASD> goodnight
[1:03] <WASD> thanks for the help
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[1:20] <jshriver> Greetings
[1:20] <jshriver> I have a 5v 1.8A power supply
[1:20] <jshriver> will that fry the Pi?
[1:20] <mru> is it regulated?
[1:20] <jshriver> my ownly other one is for my phone and it's only 550 mA
[1:20] <mru> jeez, learn about ohm's law
[1:20] <jshriver> not sure, it's the one for my Kindle Fire
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[1:21] * jshriver is not an EE sorry
[1:21] <ccherrett> has anyone been successful capturing a video from a webcam on the raspberry?
[1:21] <mru> are you over 10 years of age?
[1:21] <mru> if yes, ohm's law should not be too difficult
[1:21] <ccherrett> I can view from the capture device in vlc
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[1:21] <mru> jshriver: a power supply for a phone or tablet should be safe
[1:22] <mru> no guarantees that it will work, but it shouldn't fry anything
[1:22] <jshriver> reading the wiki.
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[1:22] <ccherrett> but when I try to capture it in ffmpeg the recording light comes on but nothing is recorded
[1:22] <jshriver> the current through a conductor between two points is directly proportional to the potential difference across the two points, hrm that makes sense (?)
[1:22] <mru> the current rating on a power supply is the maximum it can deliver
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[1:22] <jshriver> ok so it's not constant.
[1:22] <mru> if whatever you connect doesn't draw that much, that's not a problem
[1:23] <mru> it's constant voltage
[1:23] <mru> you can have constant voltage or constant current, not both
[1:23] <jshriver> good, then the Pi should only draw as much as needed? In that case better to use the 1.8A instead of the 550mA since the lower wouldn't be enough, but the larger will give it as much as needed but not more?
[1:23] <jshriver> appreciate the help, been waiting 10 months for this thing and I don't want to fry it first day :)
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[1:37] <elspuddy> any one know of any mud server software thatr will run on a pi ?
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[1:42] <aaa801> can anyone give me the output of uname -m on a pi?
[1:42] <dennistlg> armv6l
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[1:43] <aaa801> Thanks
[1:43] <dennistlg> no problem
[1:43] <dennistlg> why you need it?
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[1:47] <Stereo> I'm amazed by how much useless stuff there is on the default raspbian install
[1:48] <Stereo> if you want to save some space, see whether you need any of the packages aptitude says aren't required when you run this: sudo aptitude markauto '~i!~M!~nbuild-essential(~E|~prequired|~sdevel|~sinterpreters|~slibdevel|~slibs|~soldlibs|~sperl|~spython|~sshells)'
[1:48] <aaa801> dennistlg: making a clfs build
[1:49] <dennistlg> clfs?
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[1:51] <aaa801> Cross lfs
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[1:52] <Tz1m1sc3> Cross linux from scratch
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[1:55] <dennistlg> ah ok thanks
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[1:59] <btcbuy314> has anyone here gotten alsa working in arch? it keeps saying no sound card and i tried modprobing
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[2:03] <oldtopman> btcbuy314: Have you updated the kernel?
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[2:04] <btcbuy314> well i pacman -Syu i think that updates it right?
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[2:07] <roryc444> Hi all - have a question about usb perf?
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[2:08] <roryc444> look slike when I start an x session it kills my wireless...
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[2:09] <roryc444> someone ping me pls so I know I am not shouting at /dev/null ....
[2:10] <[SLB]> pong
[2:10] <roryc444> wheee!
[2:10] <[SLB]> :3
[2:10] <miceiken> overload
[2:10] <dennistlg> roryc most your isuse is wifi releated
[2:10] <roryc444> yep thought that
[2:10] <dennistlg> a sry
[2:10] <miceiken> are there usb wifi things?
[2:10] <roryc444> is there something about the drivers using 20% cpu?
[2:11] <dennistlg> meant power
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[2:11] <mythos> roryc444, do you having anything else plugged on your usb?
[2:11] <roryc444> yep - thought about power
[2:11] <dennistlg> most the wifi issuse is power releated thats what i mean
[2:11] <plugwash> the USB driver on the Pi is known to eat CPU, there are thoughts on how it could be rearchitected to use less but I don't know if anyone has actually put the work in yet
[2:11] <roryc444> well - confession here - using an old usb 1 hub
[2:11] <plugwash> lack of documentation is a big problem
[2:12] <mythos> plugwash++
[2:12] <roryc444> yepo - i am happy to help out (have written usb drivers before) but need a starting thread
[2:13] <roryc444> anyone point me to a decent dev source for docs etc?
[2:13] <roryc444> I think the power issue is a bit of a sham
[2:13] <plugwash> though at least with the Pi we actually have complete buildable kernel source
[2:13] <elspuddy> any one know of any mud server software that will run on a pi ?
[2:13] <roryc444> yep indeed - time to get coding...
[2:14] <plugwash> roryc444, one of the biggest problems is afaict we don't have any docs for the USB stuff other than the sourcecode
[2:14] <roryc444> @elspuddy - just try and it will prb work to be honest
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[2:14] <roryc444> (by the way - forgive my IRC etiqutte, it has been years....)
[2:15] <elspuddy> np :)
[2:15] <roryc444> what docs are we missing on USB?
[2:15] <roryc444> microcode on the ARM?
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[2:16] <roryc444> my rusty brain says it all should be standard outside the kernel....
[2:16] <plugwash> sure but the driver is in the kernel is what needs fixing
[2:17] <plugwash> and afaict we have sourcecode for it but no docs on the USB hardware it's talking to
[2:17] <roryc444> hmmm... afaik that shouldnt make any diff?
[2:17] <roryc444> unless it is latched wierdly or something?
[2:17] <plugwash> iirc there is a rpi-kernel mailing list somewhere where USB issues have been discussed
[2:18] <roryc444> from what I can see of the board it is straight out?
[2:18] <roryc444> ahh that is where i should be then I guess
[2:18] <plugwash> sure but like any device with the USB port there is a block of hardware inside the SoC sitting between the pins on the package and the arm core
[2:19] <plugwash> and it's that block of hardware we are lacking documentation for
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[2:20] <roryc444> ahh ok - kinda gotcha (thanks for the reply btw) but.... isnt the pi a vanilla chip with no fancy additions?
[2:21] * plugwash isn't sure what "vanilla chip" means, it's a broadcom chip that has been used in other devices but afaict the host port has rarely been used in host mode
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[2:21] <plugwash> and certainly not to anwhere near the extent Pi users are stressing it
[2:21] <roryc444> hmmm yep - i get where you are coming from
[2:22] <roryc444> doesnt bode well eh!
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[2:22] <roryc444> might have to resort to older dongles
[2:23] <plugwash> and we have very little docs on the SoC, there is an "arm perhipherals" datasheet available but it doesn't say anything about the USB or SD controllers IIRC
[2:23] <roryc444> (btw when I said vanilla I meant standard)
[2:24] <roryc444> thanks for that buddy - I will head over to the dev forum now - there might be use for this old brain yet :)
[2:24] <IT_Sean> standard to what?
[2:24] <_av500_> and SoC is not standard
[2:24] <_av500_> thats the whole point of it
[2:25] <_av500_> an*
[2:25] <roryc444> well yes - but afaik the cheapness of the chip is because it isnt a non standard Soc?
[2:25] <_av500_> no
[2:25] <trevorman> there isn't a "standard" soc :P
[2:25] <roryc444> i.e. they saw a good fit for cheap and used that?
[2:25] <_av500_> its cheap because its "outdated"
[2:26] <trevorman> its not outdated
[2:26] <trevorman> its actually fairly new
[2:26] <roryc444> ya ok so what i mean is it's not proprietary
[2:26] <_av500_> it is
[2:26] <roryc444> (if i could spell it)
[2:26] <trevorman> the ARM core is slow because its not meant to be fast. the SoC is more like a fast GPU that has an ARM core bolted on the side.
[2:27] <trevorman> the only other device that even has it are the new Roku 2 boxes
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[2:27] <_av500_> ok, then its not outdated, its badly chosen :)
[2:27] <roryc444> haha
[2:27] <roryc444> main point here is that it wasnt designed by rpi guys
[2:28] <roryc444> they are using something that exists
[2:28] <trevorman> technically they did design it. some of them work for broadcom and they helped design the videocore gpu or something like that
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[2:29] <trevorman> its not a custom chip if thats what you're asking. it is off the shelf but it doesn't follow any particular standard regarding the architecture beyond it being an ARMv6
[2:30] <plugwash> none of them do.....
[2:30] <trevorman> yeah
[2:30] <roryc444> ya gotcha on that ...however
[2:30] <plugwash> some vendors do a better job of documenting their chips weirdness and releasing those docs than others
[2:31] <roryc444> do you guys think the HW implementation could affect perf that much?
[2:31] <plugwash> sure, a bad hardware implementation can absoloutely cripple performance
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[2:31] <roryc444> sure I agree... but were they that stupid? If so we are all buying new Pi's at some stage...
[2:31] <roryc444> I would hate to think that....
[2:32] <plugwash> sometimes there are tricks to wring more performance out of bad hardware but working out what those tricks are and then actually implementing them is difficult, particually in the absesnse of good docs
[2:32] <roryc444> agreed
[2:32] <roryc444> I havent cheked the code yet myself - anyone else trawled thru it?
[2:32] <trevorman> its an ARMv6 so pretty old, the L2 cache is hanging off the GPU, the USB IP core they used from Synopsys isn't very good and the SDHCI IP core they got from Arasan isn't very good so yeah... it does make a difference
[2:33] <_av500_> bcm would not be the only one with badly done usb
[2:33] <_av500_> happens to other soc vendors too
[2:33] <trevorman> yup
[2:33] <mru> *mumble* mentor *mumble*
[2:33] <ReggieUK> not sure that the sdhci core is actually that bad
[2:34] <trevorman> the driver is certainly awful
[2:34] <roryc444> dang - how can they bugger it up so much? ... albeit it has been 10 years sine i did usb stuff
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[2:34] <ReggieUK> it was a poor hardware implementation (missing the 1.8v circuitry)
[2:34] <ReggieUK> I'm not sure they did so much
[2:34] <mru> has anyone ever done a non-shit usb implementation?
[2:34] <roryc444> well if the driver is currently awful then that is good news - might be some quick wins in there
[2:35] <mru> I guess whatever intel makes is the least horrible
[2:35] <trevorman> the SDHCI driver has had significant work and performance gains already
[2:35] <roryc444> hahahahahaha agreed mru
[2:35] <trevorman> you used to crawl along at 3-4MB/s
[2:36] <miceiken> do you guys have casings for your rpis?
[2:36] <roryc444> haha those differential pairs are for you youngsters - we used to just wiggle 5v as hard as we could
[2:36] <ReggieUK> but 1/2 of the fixes were to deal with the missing 1.8v circuit
[2:36] <trevorman> miceiken: yeah. modmypi. some people prefer the pibow.
[2:37] <trevorman> ReggieUK: the way it handled the clock was daft. they tried to do it themselves instead of just letting the existing kernel code do it. problem is that they did it wrong.
[2:37] <roryc444> ok guys many thanks for your help - I am off to dig out the driver code and see what I can do
[2:38] <trevorman> have fun
[2:38] <roryc444> cheers :)
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[2:39] <Stereo> trevorman: the fakehwclock stuff?
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[2:40] <trevorman> not sure about that. you'll have to talk to zgreg as he did most of it IIRC.
[2:41] <miceiken> http://raspberrypi.rsdelivers.com/product/rs/raspberry-pi-type-b-case-black/caseblk.aspx
[2:42] <Stereo> I'm thinking of writing a blogpost about reducing disk usage on your pi
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[2:42] <Stereo> so far I've got purging unused packages, running localepurge, and running hardlink on /usr/share/doc
[2:43] <Stereo> do you lot have any other ideas?
[2:43] <Stereo> getting rid of X11 maybe if you don't use that
[2:43] <ReggieUK> trevorman, sorry about that, was dealing with something less important but had to be done
[2:43] <trevorman> huh? sorry for what?
[2:44] <ReggieUK> trevorman, yes, agreed that wasn't a particularly brilliant bit of code
[2:44] <ReggieUK> for not replying sooner
[2:44] <trevorman> oh np
[2:44] <trevorman> its IRC. I expect random delays
[2:44] <ReggieUK> :)
[2:45] <ReggieUK> but after that fix, everything else was pretty much fixing up the fact that there was absolutely no way to switch in a 1.8v circuit for fast cards if it didn't exist :)
[2:47] <ReggieUK> well, apart from the more recent-ish ones
[2:48] <trevorman> ah
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[2:49] <Russ> ReggieUK, do you have a list of allowed/disallowed words? It seems to be a pretty hard line
[2:50] <ReggieUK> basically, steer clear of cursing, as much as possible because you never know how cranky I'm going to be on a given day :)
[2:50] <Russ> right, but one man's cursing is another's strong language
[2:51] <ReggieUK> I don't usually kick/ban
[2:51] <ReggieUK> but when someone decides that cursing at me in pm is the way to move forward, I tend to take that as a sign that they're not particularly bothered what our channel rules are
[2:52] <Stereo> I'm annoyed when someone compliments me in private
[2:52] <ReggieUK> hahahaha :)
[2:52] <Stereo> cursing at me? I'd ban them right away too.
[2:53] <Stereo> you should kick when other berries get mentioned
[2:53] <Russ> geez, so he just is messaging people randomly, cursing at them, that's really rude
[2:53] <Stereo> "/kick Stereo Take it to #strawberrypi, you lunatic!"
[2:54] <nx5> anybody knows what video encoding formats (if any) are supported through openmax on the raspberry pi?
[2:54] <Stereo> Russ: new popular projects like this tend to bring people who aren't familiar with irc, or etiquette in general
[2:55] <Stereo> you know it's going to happen, so the best thing to do is to grow a thick skin, ban, and move on
[2:55] <ReggieUK> he cursed in the channel, I took it to pm to remind him of the channel rules, he decided that he wasn't particularly keen on the rules, decided to be rude, I acted accordingly
[2:56] <ReggieUK> tbh I'm fine about it, it was Russ that asked about things
[2:56] <Russ> so the language in the channel must be more tame than kernel source?
[2:56] <ReggieUK> definitely
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[2:57] <Stereo> I think it's different when you're cursing with someone or at someone
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[2:57] <plugwash> and I guess we can't mention the names of certain britney configuration settings either....
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[2:58] <Russ> Stereo, right, don't curse at people, it's rude, but on most linux dev channels, email lists, source code, patch comments, the use of curse words is very, very common
[2:59] <ReggieUK> that's fine but I'm not a moderator there and haven't been asked to uphold their rules :)
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[3:18] <mrc3> here's an anti-boredom question
[3:18] <Tz1m1sc3> o.O
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[3:18] <mrc3> i'm using gentoo with kernel 3.1.9+ (#110). is it possible to get audio output from the on-board miniplug connector?
[3:18] <Stereo> Hexxeh: I think I found a small security issue on rpi-update
[3:19] <buZz> mrc3: yes
[3:19] <Stereo> hmm, Hexxeh seems to be idle. I guess I'll have to email him. Hexxeh, if you see this, /msg me please?
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[3:20] <mrc3> buZz, alright. then it must be something with my alsa config
[3:20] <buZz> i think you can set the default audio output in the config.txt
[3:20] <kn1000> I've got my raspberry pi running raspbian acting as a web server, torrentbox, room automator and xbmc media center, but I've got a quick question
[3:20] <buZz> but not sure
[3:21] <kn1000> how can I make it boot into xbmc rather than the terminal login prompt
[3:21] <btcbuy314> i installed flashplugin and youtube still isnt working. when i open the page it says missing pluggin where the video is and then it loads the video but theres just a black screen with a loading animation in the middle, the video player shows up with the play button and volume and time and everything but just never loads im on arch btw
[3:21] <kn1000> - youtube works perfectly at 1080p in xbmc - just sayin'
[3:22] <Tz1m1sc3> By default output will be automatic (hdmi if hdmi supports audio, otherwise analogue). You can force it with:
[3:22] <Tz1m1sc3> sudo amixer cset numid=3 <n>
[3:22] <Tz1m1sc3> where n is 0=auto, 1=headphones, 2=hdmi.
[3:22] <Stereo> kn1000: just curious, what do you use for room automation?
[3:23] <kn1000> Stereo, nothing too exciting, just got my gpio pins hooked up to control LED lighting in the room, it also powers my computer monitor on/off, and will soon open and close my blinds (it's already an alarm clock)
[3:23] <mrc3> Tz1m1sc3, "amixer: Cannot find the given element from control default"
[3:24] <kn1000> Anybody know how to make raspbian boot directly to xbmc?
[3:24] <Stereo> kn1000: I see, just relays and cron jobs?
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[3:25] <kn1000> Stereo, nah, got the gpio pins hooked up to optocouplers, which are then hooked to transistors, which for the LED's powers the leds, and for the computer monitor directly soldered to one of those wireless plug remotes to 'press' the button
[3:25] <bircoe> kn1000, why not use a distro that just has XBMC... like RaspBMC or OpenELEC?
[3:25] <bircoe> y
[3:25] <kn1000> bircoe, because I use my pi for a LOT more
[3:26] <kn1000> also I don't really want to change my entire operating system which is perfectly configured for something that seems like it should be really simple
[3:26] <Stereo> kn1000: fancy :)
[3:26] <bircoe> errr you mean swap an SD card?
[3:26] <kn1000> bircoe, I have 1 sd card
[3:27] <kn1000> I've tried openelec and xbian, both are quite nice, but stock raspbian has given me best results so far
[3:27] <Stereo> even if he had a crate of sd cards, I suppose he doesn't want to swap them around
[3:27] <btcbuy314> kn1000: have you tried arch
[3:27] <bircoe> fair nuts... then perhaps you need to look at adjusting yoru x initi script, or rc scripts... depends how you want to do it.
[3:27] <bircoe> init
[3:28] <kn1000> the case I built for everything doesn't really allow for swapping sd cards either
[3:28] <AC`97> same here
[3:28] <kn1000> btcbuy314, Nah, I'm going to on my laptop soon though, never compiled it
[3:28] <kn1000> will be an interesting education experience I'd assume
[3:28] <AC`97> should i put 2, or 3 wifi adapters on my RPi?
[3:29] <bircoe> why stop at 3 :)
[3:29] <AC`97> because i need the last one for my gps :P
[3:29] <Stereo> kn1000: it's really two things you want - autologin to the xbmc user, and telling your display/login manager to run xbmc for that user
[3:29] <kn1000> bircoe, what would you recommend to achieve this?
[3:29] <kn1000> Stereo, that makes sense
[3:29] <kn1000> at the moment i'm just logging into the console and then running /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin
[3:29] <bircoe> you could adjust the x init script so it launchs xbmc instead of lxde
[3:30] <kn1000> bircoe, it launches directly into a console, lxde isn't even installed anymore lol
[3:30] <btcbuy314> kn1000: ok i was just wondering i have arch on raspberry pi and thinking maybe wheezy might be better thinking about trying it
[3:30] <Stereo> yeah, but then I suppose xbmc would run as root
[3:31] <bircoe> this is why asking open ended questions sucks... no one knows your setup other than you.
[3:31] <Stereo> kn1000: you could try an init script that just launches xbmc then
[3:31] <kn1000> Stereo, it runs under my userlevel this way, running it as root won't quite work for me since it's interfaced with the web
[3:31] <Stereo> bircoe: it's fun to find out though :)
[3:31] <kn1000> Stereo, got a guide for that?
[3:31] <kn1000> Sorry
[3:31] <kn1000> I'm crap at asking questions
[3:31] <neofutur> btcbuy314: you can also try gentoo, images there : http://raspberry.pi.gw.gd/f15-Gentoo-Linux.html
[3:31] <bircoe> look at rc.local file
[3:31] <Stereo> kn1000: try using /etc/init.d/skel as a guide
[3:31] <Stereo> on debian, not really
[3:31] <Stereo> cp -a /etc/init.d/skel /etc/init.d/xbmc
[3:32] <btcbuy314> `how much extra do you think the component video and audio costs had they just left it with hdmi
[3:32] <bircoe> btcbuy314, maybe 30 pr 40 cents
[3:32] <Stereo> when you're happy with how the init script is looking, test it with /etc/init.d/xbmc start
[3:33] <bircoe> pr = or
[3:33] <kn1000> Stereo, I use the component audio out
[3:33] <Stereo> if it starts, try 'stop' and 'restart' and 'status'
[3:33] <kn1000> oops, wrong person, sorry lol
[3:33] <kn1000> Stereo, there's no skel folder
[3:33] <Stereo> no?
[3:33] <kn1000> doesn't exist
[3:33] <trevorman> btcbuy314: you need the analog audio still. not everybody has a HDMI monitor and not everybody has speakers in it.
[3:33] <Stereo> ah, sorry, /etc/init.d/skeleton
[3:33] <kn1000> nope
[3:33] <trevorman> actual extra parts necessary for it is minimal
[3:33] <Stereo> not there? On raspbian?
[3:34] <kn1000> Stereo, doesn't exist either
[3:34] <kn1000> on raspbian yes
[3:34] <Stereo> mine says
[3:34] <Stereo> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ ls -l /etc/init.d/skeleton
[3:34] <Stereo> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4290 Dec 14 2011 /etc/init.d/skeleton
[3:34] <Stereo> doesn't matter, I'll paste it somewhere for you
[3:34] <kn1000> OH
[3:34] <kn1000> it's a file
[3:34] <kn1000> not a folder
[3:34] <bircoe> trevorman, the question he is asking is moot... the SOC has both composite video and analog audio, it's just the price of the physical components which at bulk pricing woiuldn't even add up to a dollar
[3:35] <kn1000> Stereo, LOL sorry
[3:35] <Stereo> haha
[3:35] <Stereo> found it then?
[3:35] <kn1000> yep, looking into editing it now
[3:35] <plugwash> actually afaict the SoC doesn't have proper audio support, the analog audio on the Pi is a hack which is why the sound quality sucks
[3:36] <kn1000> so what am I tring to do in here
[3:36] <Stereo> don't edit it, copy it and edit the copy
[3:36] <kn1000> I have
[3:36] <kn1000> and am
[3:36] <Stereo> you want to run xbmc just like you'd run a web server
[3:37] <Stereo> actually, steal this: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Install_XBMC_for_Linux#Add_a_new_init_script
[3:37] <trevorman> bircoe: yeah
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[3:39] <trevorman> plugwash: yeah. they're using the PWM peripheral. the SoC actually has proper PCM and I2S support. we're just not using it.
[3:39] <Stereo> kn1000: still here?
[3:39] <kn1000> i can't say I've noticed the 'awful' audio quality everyone seems to be moaning about
[3:39] <kn1000> Stereo, I am
[3:39] <kn1000> I am just in the process of trying that now
[3:41] <plugwash> kn1000, how are you getting the audio out of your Pi?
[3:41] <kn1000> plugwash, 3.5mm javk
[3:41] <kn1000> jack
[3:41] <kn1000> I must be deaf
[3:42] <plugwash> some people are more sensitive to high frequencies than others
[3:42] <kn1000> plugwash, what are people complaining about?
[3:42] <kn1000> only complaint I have is a rather annoying click at the start and end of audio
[3:43] <plugwash> not sure really, I haven't got arround to trying it myself but my understanding is it is far from CD quality
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[3:44] <kn1000> I do hear noise in the background but nothing awful
[3:44] <kn1000> faint hiss
[3:45] <AC`97> horrid
[3:45] <Stereo> can you grab the audio from the hdmi, or use an usb audio adapter?
[3:45] <kn1000> Stereo, okay, I've taken that file, and all I've done is modify the user, does DAEMON_OPTS need to be /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin (that's it's location)
[3:46] <trevorman> stereo: you can get boxes which do that
[3:46] <kn1000> all I really use the audio on the pi for is to listen to music when using my main computer and watching downloaded tv and youtube from my bed
[3:46] <kn1000> easily best ?30 I've ever spent
[3:46] <AC`97> i use my pogoplug for that
[3:46] <AC`97> ... except pogoplug doesn't do video
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[3:47] <Stereo> kn1000: I have no idea, try it :)
[3:47] <Stereo> what's in /usr/bin/xbmc ?
[3:48] <AC`97> oh man, my new wifi adapter sucks big time
[3:48] <AC`97> it detects only 2 APs
[3:48] <btcbuy314> how much would have it cost to add wifi?
[3:48] <AC`97> my old one detected 22
[3:48] <AC`97> btcbuy314: probably $2-3 in parts
[3:48] <AC`97> or less
[3:49] <ReggieUK> btcbuy314, it would've cost them more than the $25/$35 target they were trying to hit
[3:49] <Stereo> btcbuy314: about ??3, but you'd need different models to sell in each region
[3:49] <kn1000> Stereo, nonexistant
[3:49] <Stereo> and people would have complained about the bad reception, yadda yadda
[3:49] <Stereo> kn1000: try /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin then
[3:49] <Stereo> it sounds good
[3:49] <AC`97> my new wifi adapter's reception sucks
[3:50] <kn1000> honestly all I could ask of the pi would be a better way of implementing ethernet
[3:50] <btcbuy314> it definitely would have been nice for 3 dollars extra though
[3:50] <kn1000> networking throughput kinda sucks
[3:50] <Stereo> yeah, gigabit ethernet and a good wifi card in a pci express slot. For $25. :)
[3:50] <Stereo> and a pony
[3:51] <kn1000> oh not gigabit ethernet, I'd be happy with full 100mbit/s ethernet
[3:51] <kn1000> I'm extremely pleased with the pi don't get me wrong, but if I was wishing, better networking that isn't on the USB bus would be pretty damn cool
[3:51] <kn1000> I have no complaints about it whatsoever
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[3:54] <trevorman> you'd need a different SoC if you don't want USB ethernet
[3:54] <Stereo> what would you use it for?
[3:54] <btcbuy314> is it possible to get flash on raspberry pi>? (arch)
[3:55] <trevorman> btcbuy314: no. Flash on Linux is dead.
[3:55] <trevorman> wasn't available for ARM anyway
[3:55] <kn1000> Why is everyone so concerned about flash? youtube works almost perfectly with html5 or just playing the raw stream
[3:56] <kn1000> trevorman, that makes sense
[3:56] <kn1000> the current implementation is pretty damn good anyway
[3:56] <kn1000> definitely taught me a lot about linux
[3:56] <kn1000> Stereo, aw it's not working heh
[3:57] <btcbuy314> how do you get html5
[3:57] <kn1000> youtube.com/html5 and a supported browser
[3:57] <AC`97> ...
[3:57] <kn1000> no idea how the pi would handle it
[3:58] <AC`97> badly
[3:58] <AC`97> like 1 frame per second or worse
[3:58] <kn1000> fair enough - I can't say too much regarding youtube in browser, all I know is that 1080p youtube works great via xbmc
[3:58] <kn1000> apart from making the interface want to hang itself
[3:59] <trevorman> its doing the raw h264 stream
[3:59] <AC`97> gah, i've only managed to get my RPi fully booted in 30 seconds >.>
[4:00] <kn1000> mine's on 24/7 so meh
[4:00] <AC`97> how would i go about getting the time from a GPS, if available, and from ntp if not?
[4:00] <kn1000> even has a giant ass blue fan and heatsinks!!11111
[4:00] <AC`97> kn1000: i have only one heatsink on mine. and no fan :|
[4:00] <btcbuy314> is a heatsinc necesary
[4:00] <AC`97> have you seen mine?
[4:00] <btcbuy314> r you guys overcloking
[4:01] <kn1000> AC`97, not neccessary really lol, it would PROBABLY be fine without a heatsink and fan, but it was getting scarily hot when overclocked and under heavy load
[4:01] <kn1000> so I decided I'd buy 8 heatsinks for ?1.50 and a fan
[4:01] <Stereo> AC`97: see gpsd for the time
[4:01] <AC`97> mine was getting scary hot even before i overclocked
[4:01] <btcbuy314> how do you tell temp
[4:01] <AC`97> Stereo: already have it o.o
[4:01] <kn1000> thing is freezing cold now, helps keep the power supply and the hard disk freezing cold too
[4:01] <AC`97> btcbuy314: finger. lol
[4:01] <btcbuy314> what part the black chip
[4:02] <AC`97> the two biggest chips
[4:02] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/103853333444314240950/RaspberryPi?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCLbrpZ7sjI_BVw&feat=directlink
[4:03] <btcbuy314> what heatsinc/fan should i buy, any reccomended
[4:03] <AC`97> so... 3 wifi adapters, 1 gps, 1 bluetooth. i need another hub :|
[4:03] <AC`97> btcbuy314: er, i don't think you actually need a fan
[4:03] <trevorman> AC`97: just use NTP. You need to get the right GPS unit with a 1PPS signal, connect it to your RPi GPIOs since USB serial adapters will have bad latency and have a good antenna on your roof.
[4:03] <AC`97> i'm going to put one on mine though, because it's going into my motorcycle >:D
[4:04] <AC`97> trevorman: i tried NTP. it couldn't update my time fast enough
[4:04] <AC`97> chrony is better, but still sorta slow
[4:04] <trevorman> if you don't actually care about all that latency and ambiguity then you might as well just use NTP in the first place from some servers on the internet
[4:04] <trevorman> eh?
[4:04] <trevorman> what do you mean it couldn't update your time fast enough
[4:04] <kn1000> AC`97, oh man, that heatsink is scary
[4:04] <AC`97> it takes a couple minutes after boot for it to set the time
[4:05] <trevorman> you can force it at boot with ntpdate
[4:05] <trevorman> then start ntpd
[4:05] <kn1000> http://imgur.com/a/RD15r - here's mine before I added the heatsinks
[4:05] <AC`97> chrony takes around 5-10 seconds
[4:05] <trevorman> ntpdate will be immediate
[4:05] <AC`97> does ntpdate work with gps?
[4:05] <trevorman> no
[4:05] <AC`97> i won't always have a internet connection when it's on my motorcycle :\
[4:05] <trevorman> buy a I2C RTC :P
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[4:06] <AC`97> >.> but then i'd need a battery
[4:06] <trevorman> you're going to need a battery anyway...
[4:06] <AC`97> not really...
[4:06] <ccssnet> lol
[4:06] <AC`97> kn1000: how good does that hub work? does it still work when you fill up all the ports?
[4:06] <trevorman> AC`97: use a supercap then
[4:07] <kn1000> AC`97, the hub works amazingly well
[4:07] <kn1000> got a 3 amp power supply and it still supplies around 5v under about 2.2a of load
[4:07] <trevorman> your GPS will have a battery or supercap anyway or it'll be doing a cold start each time you power it on and that'll take ages
[4:07] <AC`97> ooh
[4:07] <trevorman> downloading the almanac is slooooooow
[4:07] <AC`97> trevorman: gps takes around 3-20 seconds for a regular start
[4:07] <AC`97> and around 32 seconds for a cold start
[4:07] <AC`97> (downloading full almanac)
[4:07] <kn1000> it's just a generic hub sold with a beefy power supply some ebay seller is doing, it's ?15 - but you can get the power supply for around ?3 a piece if you buy in lots of 100! xD
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[4:08] <kn1000> tempted to buy a load and then sell them with generic hubs on ebay
[4:08] <kn1000> seems lucrative
[4:08] <trevorman> AC`97: the I2C RTC will be like 1 second at most
[4:08] <AC`97> i dislike RTCs :|
[4:08] * AC`97 doesn't know why.
[4:09] <kn1000> Anyone know how I can make the pi autologin to the console?
[4:09] <trevorman> AC`97: *shrug* just easier and a good enough solution most cases
[4:09] <AC`97> /etc/inittab
[4:09] <AC`97> and.... forgot
[4:09] <trevorman> if you do want a GPS then get one that is 3.3V TTL and wire it to the expansion port serial
[4:10] <AC`97> i already have an expensive usb gps :|
[4:10] <AC`97> and i think the time from that is <200ms off at most
[4:10] <AC`97> or possibly even 10ms or less. haven't tested it fully yet
[4:11] <AC`97> i'm guessing that my gps outputs its messages synchronized to the time
[4:11] <trevorman> you need the 1PPS output to be accurate
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[4:12] <AC`97> but i'm happy with even half second accuracy :P
[4:12] <AC`97> it's gonna be in my motorcycle anyways. no need to look at the time
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[4:12] <AC`97> i'd just like the time to be correct when it starts logging
[4:13] <kn1000> AC`97, any idea what I'm doing with inittab?
[4:13] <trevorman> whats wrong with an RTC though? its cheap, small, low power, fast and fairly accurate.
[4:13] <AC`97> kn1000: some speshul command <3
[4:13] <AC`97> trevorman: want the truth?
[4:13] <kn1000> damnit xD
[4:13] <trevorman> kn1000: change getty to your shell. expect it to be a little strange when you do that though. init will jsut restart it if you exit
[4:13] <AC`97> kn1000: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Automatic_login_to_virtual_console
[4:14] <AC`97> c1:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -a USERNAME -8 -s 38400 tty1 linux
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[4:14] <trevorman> that is a better solution
[4:14] <kn1000> can I also just start xbmc from here?
[4:15] <AC`97> possibly
[4:15] <trevorman> not sure I'd make init do it
[4:15] <trevorman> just stick it at the end of rc.local or whatever it is on raspbian
[4:16] <AC`97> my heatsink. it BUURRRNNNNNSSS~
[4:17] <trevorman> thats a good thing. if its cold then its either not fitted properly or you've massively oversized it.
[4:17] <AC`97> is it bad for the capacitor to heat up to the pi's operating temp?
[4:17] <AC`97> my heatsink is touching it, making it hot
[4:17] <steve_rox> check rated temp on cap
[4:17] <AC`97> 2F \ 220 \ 16H ?
[4:17] <AC`97> (no clue)
[4:17] <steve_rox> hmmm
[4:18] <steve_rox> i forget they are using them silvery ones
[4:18] <trevorman> what capacitor? the electrolytic one?
[4:18] <AC`97> i guess so
[4:18] <trevorman> if so then yes its bad
[4:18] <trevorman> is it the metal can
[4:18] <AC`97> yep
[4:18] <trevorman> yeah don't get them hot
[4:18] <steve_rox> i shall brb in many mins after ive rebooted this and rembered my username passsword
[4:18] <AC`97> :|
[4:19] <trevorman> heating up an electrolytic cap reduces its lifespan
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[4:19] <AC`97> reduces it by how much?
[4:19] <steve_rox> whole pi seems to produce heat all over
[4:19] <trevorman> AC`97: idk. depends on the cap and temperature etc...
[4:20] <trevorman> the electrolyte inside them is a liquid so heating it up will dry it out
[4:20] <AC`97> but it seems sealed
[4:20] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120817191832.png ouch.
[4:21] <trevorman> it is. they're rated to whatever they say in the specs but it still isn't a good idea to heat it up.
[4:21] <GriffenJBS> on raspbian what happened to /lib/modules/3.1.9+/build?
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[4:21] <AC`97> GriffenJBS: perhaps you need some symlinking
[4:21] <AC`97> to /usr/lib/somewhere
[4:21] * AC`97 has no clue
[4:22] <AC`97> i've never even used raspbian. hmm.
[4:22] <GriffenJBS> AC`97: I looked but found nothing there
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[4:22] <AC`97> GriffenJBS: got kernel headers installed?
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[4:22] <GriffenJBS> I think so, but who knows, the package names on rpi are strange
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[4:23] <AC`97> GriffenJBS: wifi adapter??
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[4:24] <maicod> hi I used 3 different wifi dongles but with all I got the following problem with raspbian wheezy: under text mode internet over wifi works fine but once I start X it barely works (slow and hanging of pings and ifconfig command)
[4:24] <AC`97> maicod: power supply powerful enough?
[4:25] <AC`97> i tried using 3 wifi dongles at one time. it worked.
[4:25] <maicod> AC`97: yeah I use the one RS delivered along with my Pi. I think its 1A but I can check
[4:25] <GriffenJBS> the linux-headers package seems to point to 3.2.x headers, but isn't the current 3.1.9?
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[4:25] <maicod> AC`97: I use a powered hub thats on the verified pheripherals list
[4:25] <AC`97> GriffenJBS: indeed. what's "uname -a" show?
[4:26] <trevorman> AC`97: 2000 hours is a usual rated lifetime for an electrolytic capacitor at its temperature limit
[4:26] <kn1000> my god Mysql takes a damn long time to start on the pi
[4:26] <GriffenJBS> "Linux raspberrypi 3.1.9+ #272 PREEMPT Tue Aug 7 22:51:44 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux"
[4:26] <AC`97> trevorman: good enough for me. if it blows, i'll replace it with a bigger one
[4:26] <kn1000> http://pi.kn100.info/ is all I've got hosted on the pi at the moment...seems a waste
[4:26] <trevorman> super rough rule of thumb is that 10C increase = halve the life
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[4:27] <maicod> AC`97: I configured wifi with the guide on the raspberrpi.org site and also (with a fresh image) via wicd-curses
[4:27] <trevorman> so if you run it 10C under whatever the max is then you'll get 4000 hours etc...
[4:27] <AC`97> kn1000: mine is worse. http://rpi.reboxed.net/
[4:27] <kn1000> LOL
[4:27] <AC`97> maicod: any weird messages in /var/log/messages.log when it happens?
[4:27] <maicod> i'll check holdon
[4:28] <kn1000> I've got like 10 or 11 domains pointing towards mine as I have no use for them all, pi.kn100.info dt.kn100.info kn100.info conorisa.chickenkiller.com kn100.mine.nu
[4:28] <AC`97> lol
[4:28] <kn1000> need to figure out how to make them point to different directories on the p
[4:28] <kn1000> pi
[4:28] <AC`97> what webserver?
[4:28] <kn1000> apache2
[4:29] <kn1000> although thinking about switching over to nginx or something lighter
[4:29] <AC`97> enable the virtual hosts thing
[4:29] <AC`97> http://reboxed.net/ pogoplug :D
[4:29] <kn1000> I've never administrated a nginx server so it'll be interesting
[4:29] <kn1000> AC`97, OOOOH DSL STATS
[4:29] <kn1000> How are you getting those?
[4:29] <maicod> AC`97: this message is frequently logged: smsc95xx..... eth0: failed to read (or write) register index ....
[4:29] <AC`97> i tried nginx before, but switched back because i couldn't abuse the output stuff like i could with apache
[4:30] <kn1000> also AC`97 jesus you must be on a crappy line
[4:30] <AC`97> yep.
[4:30] <AC`97> i'm supposed to have "20Mbps"
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[4:30] <kn1000> AC`97, where are you based and do you have line stats? I work at an ISP
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[4:31] <maicod> AC`97: you used wifi on wheezy succesfully under X ? you use a powered hub ?
[4:31] <AC`97> kn1000: i believe i'm getting the best speed though. the last time a tech came over, he let me look at his cool laptop with stats of everyone else in my neighborhood
[4:31] <AC`97> i had the fasted speed
[4:31] <AC`97> maicod: archlinux. works both with and without powered hub
[4:32] <kn1000> AC`97, lol do you have the noise margin and the attenuation?
[4:32] <maicod> oh but my probs are with wheezy
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[4:32] <AC`97> hmm
[4:33] <AC`97> kn1000: http://ss.edited.us/120817193044.png ph33r my huge screenshot of text
[4:33] <maicod> but its the one thats recommended for the general pi public so it should work with wifi
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[4:33] <kn1000> AC`97, Wow, router has good stats
[4:34] <kn1000> And where are you based?
[4:34] <AC`97> california
[4:34] <AC`97> this is actually an older modem
[4:34] <kn1000> hmn, looks like your line has a lot of errors
[4:34] <AC`97> my newer one connects at 1Mbps upstream, but it disconnects a couple times an hour O.o
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[4:35] <kn1000> your attenuation could possibly allow for 5/6mbit/s but your line is unusually noisy
[4:35] <AC`97> indeed
[4:35] <AC`97> i used to be able to get over 5Mbits, i think
[4:35] <AC`97> but over the years it went lower and lower
[4:35] <AC`97> some people in my neighborhood still have 384Kbps. lol
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[4:36] <kn1000> probably joints in the network degrading
[4:36] <kn1000> those are difficult to replace because they can be underground
[4:36] <AC`97> indeed
[4:36] <trevorman> the telcos opinion about that is usually "oh well it meets our minimum speed spec so we're not going to do anything about it" and that speed would be like 128kbps
[4:37] <AC`97> whenever i have the need for speed, i have a neighbor with 30Mbps+ who only has WEP on his wifi O:-)
[4:37] <kn1000> HAHA
[4:38] <kn1000> hehe where we work, adsl135 (135kbit/s) is considered 'acceptible'
[4:38] <Tz1m1sc3> o.O
[4:38] <kn1000> bearing in mind about 50/60kbit/s is required for overhead
[4:38] <kn1000> LOL
[4:39] <AC`97> ouch
[4:39] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/g8VoVSnTMo4nZC1Epc_MiPzav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[4:39] <AC`97> there's my gateway to free internets
[4:39] <kn1000> LOL!
[4:40] <kn1000> I've got 40mbit/s down 10mbit/s up pings of around 5ms here in the UK
[4:40] <kn1000> lines capable of 130mbit/s down and 50mbit/s up if uncapped however, VDSL <3
[4:40] <AC`97> i have pings of ~50ms :|
[4:40] <kn1000> that's pretty average for bogstandard adsl
[4:40] <AC`97> i used to have ~20-30ms, i think
[4:40] <kn1000> go to adsl2 and they'll drop to around 30ms if you are on fastpath
[4:41] <AC`97> yeah. i had that when i was on 1.5Mbps
[4:41] <kn1000> but fastpath would be detrimental to your speeds
[4:41] <kn1000> probably why your other modem connects faster is it probably tries connecting on the fast profile rather than interleaved (the error correction at dslam stage)
[4:42] <AC`97> i wonder why my stuff don't connect with adsl2 o.o
[4:42] <kn1000> AC`97, probably limited by the people providing your internet - it's something that has to be supported at the exchange, requires specific linecards to do it
[4:43] <kn1000> thinking about it, if you're getting upload of 1mbit/s with the other router that is probably adsl2
[4:43] <AC`97> i'm not sure, but i think i saw my newer modem connect with adsl2 once
[4:43] <AC`97> indeed
[4:43] <kn1000> hehe at the isp where I work we provide upload of 448kbit/s
[4:43] <kn1000> max
[4:43] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7nF3CWmpQeKtnSLOeh7VFvzav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[4:43] <AC`97> my gateways to slow internets
[4:44] <kn1000> heh, we also only provide modems, no wireless router unless you pay an extra ?6 a month
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[4:44] <AC`97> i get wifi for one-time fee of $50 :P
[4:44] <kn1000> LOL
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[4:45] <AC`97> except the power supply only lasts for a couple of years...
[4:45] <kn1000> funniest thing is 'we' charge ?22 a month for up to 8 mbit/s / 448kbit/s with a wireless router that is frankly terrible (the wireless for some reason switches itself off and then back on when an ethernet device is connected
[4:46] <AC`97> O.o
[4:46] <kn1000> I pay ?20 for 40mbit/s down 10mbit/s up a fantastic wireless n router and no limits
[4:46] <kn1000> our 'unlimited' plan - 50GB is considered 'high usage'
[4:46] <kn1000> lulz
[4:46] <AC`97> interesting
[4:46] <maicod> AC`97: is it hard to setup X when I try out the arch linux image ?
[4:46] <AC`97> i think i could downloading 1TB a month without getting any complaints
[4:47] <kn1000> I did around 20tb in a month just to test how unlimited my bb is - sky never complained
[4:47] <trevorman> kn1000: you don't have the 80/20 option?
[4:47] <AC`97> maicod: possibly. but it's doable as long as you can follow directions
[4:47] <kn1000> trevorman, I do but I'm not going to upgrade just yet, 40mbit/s is more than fast enough for me at the moment
[4:48] <maicod> AC`97: okay it sounds like its not like 'apt-get install X' ;)
[4:48] <AC`97> i pay $50/mo for 20Mbps/1Mbps + phone service, but only get 2.2Mbps/0.5Mbps :P
[4:48] <kn1000> trevorman, you on an infinity based product?
[4:48] <trevorman> fttc yes
[4:49] <kn1000> trevorman - with who out of interest?
[4:49] <trevorman> aa.nu
[4:49] <trevorman> native ipv6 etc...
[4:50] <AC`97> i have ipv6 too... just don't know how to use it :D
[4:50] <kn1000> I'm not sure if Sky provide ipv6
[4:50] <kn1000> trevorman, christ looks expensive
[4:50] <trevorman> yeah
[4:50] <kn1000> they don
[4:50] <trevorman> they're more aimed at businesses
[4:50] <kn1000> they don't seem to treat their customers like idiots though which looks awesome
[4:51] <trevorman> offpeak is cheap though
[4:51] <trevorman> just don't hammer it during the day as you'll get a nasty surprise when he bill arrives
[4:51] <AC`97> my RPi had 3 internet ip addresses when i put 3 wifi adapters onto it :D
[4:51] <Dagger2> A&A are fully worth it though, especially if you're not at home during their M-F 9AM-6PM "peak" hours
[4:51] * AC`97 <- evil ipv4 address hogger
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[4:51] <trevorman> yup
[4:52] <kn1000> I'm still using ivv4 and sky are excellent, speeds have never dipped below 4.5MB/s, and it's dropped once for around 10 minutes at 2 in the morning
[4:52] <kn1000> lol
[4:52] <Dagger2> I have an L2TP tunnel with them... completely arranged with their sales department over IRC, since I hate talking on the phone
[4:52] <AC`97> oh wow. sales on IRC o.O
[4:53] <kn1000> sales on IRC? holy crap
[4:53] <kn1000> that sounds like one bad ass ISP
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[4:53] <PReDiToR> Sky is only as good as the BT line that they charge for, in my experience.
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[4:54] <PReDiToR> If the line is a bit kak you have a hard time trying to get either of them to do anything about it.
[4:54] <kn1000> PReDiToR, of course
[4:54] <trevorman> thats true for most ISPs though unless you're on cable, the few places that do FTTP via other providers or in Hull
[4:54] <kn1000> I dread the day the line goes down for any reason, openreach are absolutely fucking terrible
[4:55] <plugwash> The trouble with A&A is if you have basically any daytime activity at all their prices are insane
[4:55] <PReDiToR> <-- Virgin. Customer support is DISMAL, the service is awesome.
[4:55] <kn1000> seriously, a stat came out in work recently which basically said that only 60% of faults are fixed within 72 hours
[4:55] <kn1000> PReDiToR, heh if you're not on a crowded distribution cabinet
[4:55] <Dagger2> A&A are also pretty good at beating BT into submission
[4:55] <trevorman> kn1000: they like to mess with the ticket to stop the timer as well
[4:56] <PReDiToR> kn1000: I've been lucky I guess
[4:56] <kn1000> trevorman, tell me about it
[4:56] <Dagger2> and their owner rants on his own blog when they have trouble with them, which is always fun to read
[4:56] <kn1000> a lot of the faults I've had to book off - they obviously need engineers appointment since line coming into house is visibly broken - OR come back saying LOL FAULT AT DP APPT NOT REQUIRED
[4:57] <trevorman> openreach don't understand FTTC either. it not being BT Infinity or you not using a HomeHub gets them super confused.
[4:57] <kn1000> engineer comes out to check line, finds fault at premesis, puts on the system that SFI is required
[4:57] <PReDiToR> I once had the personal mobile number of a third line tech from Virgin because the droids on the phone wouldn't believe me that their poxy Samsung STB couldn't handle the throughput. He came out and took one look, installed a modem and said "call me if it messes up again".
[4:57] <kn1000> so we have two choices, risk getting charged for a SFI, or ring openreach and shout until they give us a fucking appointment
[4:59] <PReDiToR> kn1000: pull a wire out so that the copper is visible. They have to fix it on health and safety grounds. No matter who owns it.
[4:59] <kn1000> PReDiToR, genius
[4:59] <PReDiToR> ty *blush*
[4:59] <kn1000> I had a fault come back a while ago which was entertaining, engineer at premisis within a hour of me booking it off
[4:59] <kn1000> "fault at exchange, DANGEROUSLY HIGH VOLTAGE ON LINE - ENGINEER ON ROUTE"
[5:00] <AC`97> was it 60v, by any chance? O:-)
[5:00] <PReDiToR> tingles
[5:00] <kn1000> AC`97, the funny thing is it wasn't
[5:00] <kn1000> that would just come back as a loop condition
[5:00] <AC`97> oh. hmm
[5:00] <kn1000> that is the only time that fault code has come back
[5:01] <kn1000> loop faults are standard priority faults even if ring wire is shorted to others
[5:01] * AC`97 is phone-system illiterate
[5:01] <AC`97> i've only gotten shocked by them a couple times
[5:01] <AC`97> or.. buzzed.
[5:01] <PReDiToR> I hate aDSL. Copper or worse, aluminium like a mate of mine has, is just creaking infrastructure so far past its day that we should be crying.
[5:02] <kn1000> PReDiToR, hehe it's quite amusing actually
[5:02] <PReDiToR> In the "gotta laff or ya cry" way?
[5:03] <kn1000> my line is very new, and I am close to the distribution cabinet with fiber, so my line gets a full 150mbit/s down and 50mbit/s up
[5:03] <PReDiToR> fap
[5:03] <kn1000> my friend who lives about 100m away's line and underground trunk are aluminium
[5:03] <kn1000> he is less than 400m from his cabinet, and yet his sync is around 34mbit/s and 6mbit/s
[5:03] <kn1000> bt refuse to replace it
[5:04] <PReDiToR> howcome ... you spell aluminium the Brit way but fibre the US way?
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[5:04] <AC`97> aluminum fiber ?
[5:04] <kn1000> PReDiToR, I'm honestly not sure
[5:04] <kn1000> it's vDSL, fiber to the cabinet distribution point and then that's interfaced with POTS distribution point which then connects to the house via copper/alu
[5:04] <PReDiToR> AC`97: mix it with some FE and we're cooking
[5:05] <AC`97> i know of aluminium, but what the heck is fibre? XD
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[5:05] <AC`97> om nom nom thermite
[5:05] <kn1000> I'm so happy BT actually made the effort with FTTC - the infrastructure is frankly excellent
[5:05] <PReDiToR> I love it when Mythbusters play with thermite
[5:05] <AC`97> i love it when /i/ play with thermite
[5:06] <kn1000> all fiber is better but this way it was affordable and they've actually built enough capacity to provide rated speeds
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[5:06] <PReDiToR> For the moment
[5:06] <kn1000> PReDiToR, from what I've seen in work, standard fiber dp has 100 outgoing connections to customers, and all customers are guarenteed at least 20mbit/s if saturated
[5:08] <kn1000> my cab is at 96 slots out of 150 so far and still seeing 38mbit/s
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[5:18] <mlmmt> I have a problem... with screen res
[5:18] <mlmmt> rasberry pi is plugged into a 1080P tv
[5:18] <mlmmt> but the damn thing wont let me use any res other than SD
[5:18] <AC`97> /boot/config.txt
[5:18] <AC`97> force it. use teh force, luke.
[5:19] <mlmmt> I have tried that
[5:19] <mlmmt> it still goes to SD
[5:19] <AC`97> what happened?
[5:19] <AC`97> oh. hmm
[5:19] <mlmmt> Group CEA has 1 modes:
[5:19] <mlmmt> mode 1: 640x480 @ 60Hz, progressive
[5:19] <mlmmt> this is incorrect
[5:19] <mlmmt> >.<
[5:19] <AC`97> hdmi safe mode is off, right?
[5:20] <mlmmt> one sec
[5:20] <mlmmt> to check
[5:20] <AC`97> and another sec
[5:20] <AC`97> to fart
[5:20] <mlmmt> lol
[5:20] <AC`97> :D
[5:20] <mlmmt> rasberry pi is rebooting now
[5:21] <mlmmt> gonna see if that helps
[5:21] <AC`97> did you =1, or =0 ??
[5:21] * mlmmt set hdmi safemode when he couldnt get hdmi out at first boot
[5:21] <AC`97> oh. there goes your problem
[5:21] <AC`97> although i had no idea what that did.
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[5:22] <mlmmt> ...
[5:22] <mlmmt> now its saying 0 modes
[5:23] <AC`97> that's great :D
[5:23] <AC`97> ohwait....
[5:23] * AC`97 wanders off
[5:24] <AC`97> what's the length of your hdmi cable?
[5:24] <bircoe> force a mode... check the wiki for the list
[5:26] <mlmmt> there we go
[5:26] <mlmmt> it didnt like it when I tried to force a mode actually
[5:26] <mlmmt> works now
[5:26] <mlmmt> thanks
[5:26] <mlmmt> hard to do anything in the gui when I have to
[5:26] <mlmmt> when it was stuck at SD
[5:27] <kn1000> is it possible to run something as a different user other than root in rc.local?
[5:27] <PReDiToR> su <user> -c "command"
[5:27] <PReDiToR> I think
[5:28] <kn1000> so if I do su pi -c /usr/lib/xbmc/xbmc.bin it should worl?
[5:29] <PReDiToR> I cannot guarantee that. man su.
[5:29] <AC`97> i think, therefore i thunk
[5:32] <bircoe> kn1000, google for su usage...
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[6:17] <btcbuy314> how do i correctly shutdown? as soon as i shutdown with sudo shutdown now it just restarts
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[6:20] <marcusw> btcbuy314: -h perhaps?
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[6:22] <toofarapart> sudo shutdown -h now
[6:24] <marcusw> yeah
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[6:30] <btcbuy314> marcusw: thanks
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[6:43] <marcusw> btcbuy314: did it work?
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[9:07] <trumee> my RPi is loading cm109 driver for the soundcard rather than the broadcom one
[9:08] <trumee> ah, cm109 is the c-media usb controller
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[9:17] <lrvick> sooo i did modprobed i2c_bcm2708 but /dev/i2c-0 or /dev/i2c/0 both dont exist
[9:17] <clever> lrvick: isnt that i2c_dev ?
[9:22] <trumee> clever, i dont see the soundcard in gentoo?
[9:22] <mrc3> trumee, i'm on the same boat
[9:22] <trumee> mrc3, ah ok, so its a known issue
[9:23] <trumee> mrc3, my usb sound did show up though
[9:25] <lrvick> got renamed in new raspian
[9:25] <lrvick> huh
[9:25] <mrc3> trumee, i couldn't say, i joined #rpi today in order to find an answer to that very same question
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[9:27] <trumee> mrc3, no leads yet?
[9:29] <mrc3> trumee, so far, just your confirmation that there was no sound card with gentoo ;)
[9:33] <mrc3> trumee, modprobe snd-bcm2835
[9:34] <trumee> mrc3: nice, thanks
[9:37] <Jck_true> Weird - My philips tv won't do remotecontrol passthrough - Even when i compiled my own version of libCEC checked the raw commands
[9:39] <Jck_true> and every not describes it as bei ng supported
[9:39] <Jck_true> note*
[9:39] <lrvick> anyone know any libraries for speaking to the i2c via python
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[9:41] <bircoe> Jck_true, I've tested CEC on a TEAC and Panasonic and they both work... I'll test it on my LG 60" one day.
[9:41] <bircoe> THe Panasonic CEC implementation is garbage tho...
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[9:42] <Jck_true> I got a feeling my lowend tv doesn't support remote contol passthrough
[9:43] <Jck_true> lrvick: Seems to be guidehere - http://quick2wire.com/2012/06/i2c-python/
[9:43] <lrvick> hmm is quick2wire really the onyl library?
[9:43] <lrvick> nothing in pip?
[9:43] <lrvick> hmmm
[9:43] <Jck_true> WiringPi seems to be the most used
[9:44] <Jck_true> Not entirely sure if thats using chip features or bitbanging
[9:46] <lrvick> Gadgetoid: ok so now i actually need wiringpi. When can we get it in pipy :-)
[9:47] <Gadgetoid> lrvick: good question!
[9:52] <lrvick> right now its looking like the setup file is broken
[9:52] <niklaswe> does someone now how may watts rpi using ?
[9:52] <lrvick> looking into this now
[9:55] <Jck_true> niklaswe: 400-420mA at 5v
[9:55] <dc5ala> niklaswe, depends on what you attached, my last measure with usb mouse and keyboard was 390 mA, so about 2 Watts
[9:55] <Jck_true> With HDMI+LAN
[9:56] <Jck_true> 480mA with a USB stick
[9:56] <niklaswe> dc5ala: I only have hdmi,rj45, and audio calbe (analog).
[9:56] <niklaswe> and SD-card of course..
[9:56] <niklaswe> so 3 Watts?
[9:57] <Jck_true> 2??Watts i would say
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[9:57] <Dyskette> Well it's rated at 700mA 5v so a theoretical max of 3.5W
[9:57] <Dyskette> But yeah, typical usage tends to be more like 2-2.5W
[9:58] <Jck_true> turning off hdmi with tvservice shaves off 20mA btw
[9:59] <dc5ala> niklaswe, my mouse and keyboard only made 40 mA difference
[10:00] <Jck_true> load didn't matter much to me - 30mA range on no load vs full load
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[10:29] <lrvick> seems quick2wire is the only library that supports it
[10:29] <lrvick> boo
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[11:35] <Smedles> hi all, anyone know if the USB driver update to v2.94a helps fix hangs with usb-serial adapters?
[11:39] * gordonDrogon waves.
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi doesn't explicitly "support" i2c or SPI because there is support built into the Kernel for both.
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> However since I've been using SPI recently (and looking at I2c now too), I may provide "helpers" in wiringPi for them to make life easier for entry-level programmers to this stuff.
[11:41] <Simon-> the usb driver is a joke regardless of what version you use
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> the gpio utuility now supports a "load" function too - e.g. gpio load spi/i2c and it will load the module and change the ownership of the /dev/ entries to match the caller - similar to what I do for the /sys/class stuff.
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> hopfully... (famous last words!) I'll get it all under GIT today too, then folks can use https://git.drogon.net/ to get stuff... just setting all that up now.
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[11:43] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: oooo, git!
[11:44] <Gadgetoid> Some i2c and SPI helpers would be nice, actually... although presumably there are already generic libraries for them in many languages
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> yea, been looking at it yesterday.
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> the issue is just how do you better the system calls to read/write data to/from the spi/i2c ...
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> they really are open/read/write/close - however the synchronous nature of SPI is sometimes different, but it's not that hard to just poke data down them.
[11:48] <gordonDrogon> with spi for every byte you want back, you need to send a byte down, so to read the A/D on the Gertboard, you write the command byte, then the data (channel) then read 2 bytes back (10-bit value).
[11:48] <bertrik> IMO, open/read/write/close is often insufficient and a poor model for some devices, but that's why ioctl exists I guess :)
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[11:48] <gordonDrogon> for the PiFace , to read a register, you need to write 3 bytes - the command, the register and a zero, and the data is clocked back on the 3rd byte, so you retrieve the data from buf [2] ...
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> bertrik, yea, spi can read/write, or ioctl... the ioctl does the synchronous transfer..
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> I'll give it some thought though. What I want now is some i2c device that works - I think the compass I have might be broken, but I'll have a look later. I did order up an i2c gpio chip, but it's the older one and needs a couple of passive components to make it work )-:
[11:51] <Smedles> Simon-: well that sucks - hoping to move monitoring of my solar energy system to the Pi - but need my rs485 adapter to work
[11:51] <Smedles> adapter works fine on an arm powered Qnap device
[11:52] <bertrik> Smedles: a lot of USB problems are caused by power problems, so don't be too quick to blame the driver
[11:52] <Simon-> Smedles: use UART0 instead
[11:53] <Smedles> bertrik: I've read enough posts on people trying to get ftdi adapters working and getting hangs to want to blame the driver :)
[11:53] <Smedles> Simon-: thinking about doing that if I cant get usb working soon
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> I've not had any issues myself using the usb serial (ftdi) drivers - I did a wodge of stuff to an Arduino earlier - Pi talking @ 115200 to Arduino running a simple remote control type application...
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> Pi was even powering the arduino at the time - http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> haven't run that up for a while though - so it was an older kernel.
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[11:57] <Smedles> i guess something like http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pi-RS232-cable-Raspberry-Pi-Pi-Console-cable-/320953086488?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_InterfaceCards&hash=item4aba4b7218 would work for rs232/rs485
[11:58] <InControl> Hey gordonDrogon you were having problems with pull-ups
[11:58] <InControl> did you set the password ?
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> InControl, was I ?
[11:59] <InControl> Thought I read it earlier you were having problems with setting internal pull-ups
[11:59] <InControl> have you seen this http://www.scribd.com/doc/101830961/GPIO-Pads-Control2 ?
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[11:59] <gordonDrogon> I've found a bit of a weird situation though - I was removing any pull-up/downs after a mode change on a pin, and for some reason it wasn't working.
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> InControl, yes - new gpio program & wiringPi has pad drive control in it :)
[12:00] <InControl> ok, just thought you might not have been setting the password bits
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> ..or rather, the removal of the pull-up/down did work, but a subseuent call to set a pull-up/down didb't work - unless I waited half a second or so..
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> the password bits aren't needed for the pull up/down stuff - just the clock stuff.
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> so the gpio clock and the pad control register needs the magic a5..
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> 5a even...
[12:01] <InControl> oh ok
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[12:04] <gordonDrogon> I suspect there's one or 2 little bits in the chip we'll never fully understand - probably because when they designed it, they probably thought some of these operations would only ever be done once at boot time - e.g. in a set-top-box type environment and never expecing it to be used in general purpose mode.
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> probably also why the USB/Ethernet works... but isn't brilliant - they probably never expected anyone to copy from Ethernet to a usb data key for example, so the driver may be somewhat lacking in "robustness" and the hardware too...
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> the sort of "features" you can "get away" with in a dedication application, but not when you put a general purpose Linux on it and sell it to millions of geeks ;-)
[12:07] <thrawed> do you think they'll listen to these issues when they design a sequel?
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> will they design a sequel?
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[12:09] <thrawed> it's already outdated isn't it?
[12:09] <thrawed> I would have thought they'd have to, to compete with the clones.
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> not sure about that myself - I think there's a few years life in it yet - as a teaching aid if nothing else.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> there isn't a true clone yet... there are alternatives but they're all more expensive...
[12:10] <InControl> I'm not sure even the foundation have a clue where they are going with it
[12:10] <Holden> I think the price of the alternatives will come down in time, the foundation has sort of opened a new market
[12:10] <InControl> I don't expect any new models anytime soon.
[12:11] <thrawed> the banana one is $99 iirc
[12:11] <InControl> Pi has a lot of momentum behind it
[12:11] <Holden> If the demand is so high, someone in china will probably make some sort of more powerful 'clone' for a reasonable price
[12:12] <InControl> will take a lot of effort for someone to make an alternative that is sucessful
[12:12] <InControl> one major weakness of the Pi is the closed design, so I suppose someone could come along with a more open design that might take off.
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[12:13] <bertrik> I think they did a great job with the pi, ofcourse you can do better, but it will also be more expensive
[12:13] <bertrik> Would the foundation mind if someone made a compatible and cheaper clone?
[12:14] <thrawed> they don't have the right to mind
[12:14] <InControl> bertrik: it would be very difficult to do
[12:14] <dangerousdave> any recommendations on cheap keyboard/mouse combos that only use a single usb?
[12:14] <thrawed> it would be anti-competitive if they did mind
[12:14] <Holden> well, I think that if you make a product that addresses rpi's problems (usb driver, usb max current, more usb ports, vga out, builtin audio card etc) and sell it for a slightly bigger price people will buy it
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> depends on how many people really got it for the HD video capabilities...
[12:15] <bertrik> dangerousdave: I got myself a wireless mouse/keyboard combo, logitech MK260, about E24,- and it works great for me
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> a clone might not have that...
[12:15] <InControl> Holden: I'm not convinced, what has made the Pi sucessfull is the marketing, not the hardware. There are better hardware devices out there already but they don't have the exposure of the Pi.
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> so we can be more open, but lose the video?
[12:15] <thrawed> once the ooya is released, I'd reckon all the video people would flood to that
[12:16] <bertrik> once -> if ?
[12:16] <Tobias|> are there are equivalently priced devices, InControl?
[12:16] <Holden> InControl, there are, it's true, but their price is too high... I believe even Eben said it in a interview... arm chips are cheap these days
[12:16] <thrawed> bertrik: They have made deals with EA and the like, I doubt it's in the position to fail.
[12:16] <InControl> That is the point
[12:16] <InControl> people are saying, it needs this/that/the other
[12:17] <InControl> but those features cost money
[12:17] <InControl> either you can have really cheap or you can have better features
[12:17] <thrawed> InControl: With a community supported device like the pi, it's always much better to go with the most popular.
[12:18] <InControl> well cheap seems to have been the popular option
[12:18] <dangerousdave> bertrik: thanks, ill take a look
[12:18] <Holden> InControl, well not really, i think you could have solved the max current problem on the usb ports easily, without the rpi costing that much more
[12:19] <thrawed> It's the same with the android devices, you're going to get a much better custom rom experience with a popular nexus device like the galaxy nexus than a phone that noone else has bought.
[12:20] <Tobias|> You don't really need a custom rom on the Nexus devices
[12:20] <InControl> I agree there are some design faux par and that rather than address those issues anyone talking about it gets branded a troll, not the best way to treat an enthusiastic community IMHO.
[12:20] <Tobias|> kind of a bad example :P
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[12:20] <thrawed> Tobias|: Sure you don't "need", but projects like cyanogenmod provide a lot of benefits over AOSP
[12:21] <Tobias|> Hmm
[12:21] <Tobias|> The only reason I've installed Cyanogen in the past is to get rid of bloat (touchwiz) and upgrade to the latest version of android
[12:21] <InControl> And because the design is closed and Broadcom are an atiquated monster of a company, the community can't just build a better clone.
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[12:21] <ag4ve> any good docs on cross compiling a kernel?
[12:22] <thrawed> Tobias|: There are performance and feature improvements in cyanogenmod
[12:22] <thrawed> InControl: I think a TI SoC would be better
[12:22] <InControl> Perhaps someone needs to start a kickstarter project for a fully open ARM single board computer.
[12:23] <Tobias|> InControl: isn't the beaglebone open?
[12:23] <thrawed> I think kickstarter should be used for brand new concepts, not just another clone
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> ag4ve, I used this guide: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
[12:24] <InControl> Like you say Raspberry Pi has opened up a new market. It will be interesting to see how it develops.
[12:25] <thrawed> A lot of the other clones have all the ports on one side and lined up which is nice
[12:25] <ag4ve> gordonDrogon: thanks, saw that site, jut didn't see that doc.
[12:25] <InControl> The Pi has the undisputed number 1 spot at the moment just like Facebook is the main social networking site.
[12:25] <thrawed> ala the via banana and mele1000
[12:25] <InControl> Plenty of better ideas out there but trying to knock the market leader of its spot is not easy.
[12:26] <thrawed> InControl: The market leader is a charity
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> the real issue in schools is that PCs are so locked down .. that AIUI is the real reason the Pi exists, now we have a computer that we can hook stuff up to, program, change, etc.
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> what I'd like to see is schools relaxing a little - and allowing their PCs to be use more for programming than secretarial work.
[12:26] <Holden> well, let's not forget the RPi is something that was put together in a very short time and by a small team... big companies in taiwan can easily do better
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> Holden, that doesn' always apply, but in-principle it should.
[12:27] <thrawed> sure, I like the whole plug and play approach, each student with their own pi, and for a lesson they dock it with the monitor/keyboard
[12:27] <InControl> Either the foundation will develop the idea further to address the issues with the current one, or they will ignore the community and after a while the community will move elsewhere.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> e.g. a project I was involved with saw 3 of us put broadband on a train in the space of 2 weeks when the "big boys" said it would take 6 months ..
[12:28] <Holden> gordonDrogon, given their budget and the number of engineers that could work on a project, it should...
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> Holden, it should, but it depends on the level of corporatism and shiny suit ratio and paperwork...
[12:28] <thrawed> perhaps 5 months of extensive testing :P
[12:28] <InControl> Personally I would have liked to have seen the Raspberry Pi foundation create an open platform that could have been a standard for many devices.
[12:28] <Holden> gordonDrogon, that could happen, i suppose they had hired the wrong people at first... or that, yes :D
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> although in the train case, it could also have just been corporate greed...
[12:29] <thrawed> InControl: a hardware platform?
[12:29] <InControl> big companies have many layers of bureaucracy, would have taken a year if it was a council though !
[12:30] <Holden> gordonDrogon, but trains and microelectronics are two separate realities... in microelectronic the time-to-marked is fundamental
[12:30] <InControl> thrawed: if the there was a basic core hardware design that was open, complete with gerber files etc then people could produce their own boards for specific purposes.
[12:30] <clever> gordonDrogon: at my school, the admins messed up one day and removed my permisions to my own desktop
[12:31] <clever> gordonDrogon: if even 1 pixel became visible, explorer would spam me with permision errors :P
[12:31] <Holden> they can make a new smartphone in 6 months (and that's a _very_ complicated device), a rpi clone would be very easy for them i suppose
[12:31] <InControl> For example the video people could modify the design to add an SP/DIF out
[12:31] <clever> InControl: ive tried adding spdif out thru the gpio, but it looks like i would completely loose multi-tasking in the process
[12:31] <thrawed> InControl: I don't think anyone would go for that unless the core designer was a 3rd party foundation with no interests in profiting from hardware
[12:32] <clever> InControl: the arm core with pure bit-banging cant do it
[12:32] <InControl> I think you could add SPI via IC2
[12:32] <InControl> oops
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[12:33] <InControl> SP/DIF via IC2
[12:33] <clever> abusing the shift register in i2c/spi to bit-bang faster?
[12:33] <clever> or with a proper converter chip?
[12:33] <InControl> to many acronyms
[12:33] <clever> ive seen many projects that use the hardware spi in an avr to bit-bang with less instructions
[12:33] <clever> leaving more clock cycles available for actual use
[12:34] <InControl> But the basic point is that lots of people have ideas for a small ARM system that require hardware changes
[12:34] <clever> http://spritesmods.com/?art=spitft&f=rss isnt using an avr, but was actualy designed with pi's in mind
[12:34] <clever> InControl: yeah, i also looked at connecting a normal laptop lcd panel, but the DSI goes directly to videocore
[12:35] <clever> and arm core cant do it by itself
[12:35] <InControl> If the Pi was an open design it is conceivable that it would become a standard platform for such ideas.
[12:35] <clever> so that projects another dead-end
[12:36] <InControl> However people are starting to build things based on other SoC's because the Pi design is closed and that Broadcom are so not interested in making the information for their SoC generally available.
[12:37] <InControl> Part of the problem with Linux support is the lack of a common hardware platform for ARM
[12:37] <InControl> each ARM implementation needs extensive re-working of linux.
[12:38] <InControl> The trick missed here is that the Pi design could have become a defacto standard for embeded linux systems
[12:38] <InControl> but that can't happen the way it is now.
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> http://xkcd.com/927/
[12:39] <clever> gordonDrogon: :D
[12:39] <InControl> I'm pretty much happy with the Pi as it is but it is a shame that the opportunity has been missed.
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[12:40] <clever> InControl: they always have the option to release the specs
[12:41] <InControl> They do but their hands are somewhat tied by Broadcom
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[12:41] <clever> InControl: i mean broadcom could release them
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> competition in the GPU world i stupidly high - I've worked for one of those companies in the past..
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> how their gpu works is the "crown jewels".
[12:42] <InControl> I don't anticipate Broadcom doing that
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> so there's only so much they'll release to the public.
[12:42] <InControl> Thing is people don't want to know how the GPU works
[12:42] <InControl> They want to know how to use it.
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> sure - and the best way to use it is for broadcom to provide libary support for it.
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> *library
[12:43] * nperry wonders why I'm getting "execve" command not found
[12:43] <nperry> Never seen this before :s
[12:43] <InControl> The trouble is GPU underestimates what it actually does
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> nperry, path not right?
[12:43] <clever> execve is a syscall, not a command
[12:44] <InControl> it seems that the GPU actually has much more responsibility than just working the display.
[12:44] <nperry> gordonDrogon: path looks fine, where *should* execve be?
[12:44] <InControl> you require a GPU binary blob just to boot the thing.
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> nperry, what are you actually doing? I was assuming you had that in a program you wrote... execve is not a command, it's a sytemcall that runs other commands ...
[12:45] <nperry> gordonDrogon: I'm running MCWM (the windowmanager) and getting it all in my tty.
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> InControl, oh yes - it controls the DRAM refresh, video outputs and who knows what else in the system...
[12:45] <clever> InControl: i think i saw it mentioned somewhere, that the gpu also handles the PWM for analog audio out
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> nperry, ah, ok... er, good luck thee then... (ie. I know nothing about mcmw!) sorry..
[12:45] <InControl> Probably more accurate to call it the supporting chipset
[12:45] <gordonDrogon> the pwm is part of the arm peripherals, but the clock is probably generated by a bit of the gpu.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> yea, there's probably a blur in the IO/peripherals part.
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[12:46] <mikma> so Rii nanox keyboard (wireless 2.4GHz), is it any good?
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> the PWM has a FIFO and a DMA engine attached to it...
[12:46] <InControl> So it seems that the design of the Broadcom SoC has limited what the foundation can do.
[12:47] <InControl> But the foundation has suceeded where other have failed in getting a mass market cheap single board computer.
[12:47] <gordonDrogon> well - I think they achieved their aims - low cost, accessible, programmable, interfacable...
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[12:47] <gordonDrogon> but yes, there is potentially a lot more we could do with it.
[12:48] <InControl> There are not many people who have all the requisite skills to get this far
[12:49] <InControl> So despite the complaints from people I don't think it will be easy for someone else to re-produce the sucess of the Pi.
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> I'm not complaining...
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[12:50] <InControl> gordonDrogon: I didn't say you were
[12:50] <InControl> But a lot of people are whining about various things like lack of MPEG2 and other stuff
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> I know.
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> and then Liz posts about the cost of licenses - e.g. Dolby was something like 4% of the total Pi cost... (on each Pi!)
[12:52] <Holden> link?
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> I'l find it - it was on the raspberrypi.org site.
[12:52] <InControl> They are kind of trapped though
[12:52] <Holden> (what do we need Dolby for on the rpi btw?)
[12:53] <InControl> If they had an open system thay could just say, you want it, build it yourself
[12:54] <InControl> I'm sure someone would then take the chance of building one
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[12:57] <gordonDrogon> can't find it - there are references to it on the raspberrypi.org site though, but I can't remember if it was in the forum or the front-page, but it was a posting by Liz.
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> ah, here we are: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1110
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> I have a *lot* to say about the price Dolby demands for licences, which will be going into a blog post later on when we've finalised all the codec licences for the board. In short, the licence we have to buy for Dolby 5.1 takes up 4% of the $25 cost of the board, which seems absolutely obscene ...
[13:01] <InControl> I can understand it to a certain extent from dolbys point of view
[13:01] <nid0> so the license is a dollar
[13:01] <InControl> what other use would you have for 5.1 than a media center, how would that be considered part of the aims of building a system for programming ?
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[13:02] <InControl> It's like saying we are building a mobility vehicle for disabled people, can we have your V12 turbo engine technology at a discount price
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[13:04] <Dyskette> A dollar *per board* is still outrageous as a market price.
[13:04] <p0ng> if you build a mediacenter you use a proper receiver and use audio passthrough, no need for decoders
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[13:11] <Holden> gordonDrogon, thanks for the link
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[13:17] <OpenSys> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/443556734/pio-microsd-adapter-for-raspberry-pi
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[13:24] <InControl> $10 each for an adptor, hmmm
[13:25] <ReggieUK> $10 each to have a custom adapter built for you
[13:26] <InControl> costs are in the set-up tooling
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[13:27] <InControl> once the set-up costs are covered this could be made for pennies
[13:27] <ReggieUK> I personally wouldn't baulk at paying ??6 for one
[13:27] <ReggieUK> Either way, this guy is doing it and that's what he charges :)
[13:27] <ReggieUK> I'm sure he'll do just fine
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[13:31] <Tobias|> $12 shipped isn't so bad
[13:31] <Tobias|> I'm sorely tempted by that tbh :<
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[13:32] <Tobias|> anybody know of somebody who's documented using the display ZIF header on their r-pi?
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[13:33] <ReggieUK> Tobias|, nobody has done that
[13:33] <ReggieUK> because nobody but the foundation knows what's going to be plugged into it
[13:33] <ReggieUK> and even that is still at the design stage I believe
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[13:34] <OpenSys> Tobias|, ZIF header requires a controller IC, and pci bus i think
[13:35] <OpenSys> rpi don't have a pci bus
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[13:37] <ReggieUK> OpenSys, he's probably talking about the csi header
[13:40] <ag4ve> gordonDrogon: (or anyone else) did you have any issues with the: Static linking impossible on the host system 'x86_64-build_unknown-linux-gnu' when using crosstool-ng?
[13:40] <Tobias|> There are two ZIF headers on the r-pi; one for a display and one for a camera
[13:40] <Tobias|> afaik
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> ag4ve, not tried it - I've only ever used that to compile the Linux kernel... (although I did do the helloWorld test program too)
[13:41] <ReggieUK> they're generally termed csi (for camera) and dsi (for display)
[13:41] <ReggieUK> my mistake was saying csi for the display port :D
[13:41] <ag4ve> i googled, and found someone said to enable CT_STATIC_TOOLCHAIN (which didn't change in the menuconfig) but it still doesn't work
[13:41] <ag4ve> :(
[13:41] <ReggieUK> either way, no one has got the api except broadcom if they've written it yet
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[14:07] <saivert> does the RPi have issues with certain USB hubs or is that just up to the OS distribution?
[14:08] <teus_> usb hubs need mains power
[14:08] <teus_> you'll draw too much power from the usb ports
[14:11] <saivert> I have an UNITeK powered USB hub
[14:11] <saivert> I will just check up with OpenELEC support
[14:16] <NirIzr> hi, does anyone knows whats the current status regarding archlinux with xbmc installed? is there anything like that?
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[14:24] <saivert> powered usb hub didn't solve the issue at all. OpenELEC is just horribly buggy.
[14:24] <saivert> I better stick with some stable OS like Debian
[14:25] <trevorman> eh?
[14:25] <trevorman> openelec is fine for me
[14:25] <saivert> I press left arrow on my wireless keyboard and the key gets stuck f.ex.
[14:26] <saivert> when using it on my PC it works fine
[14:26] <saivert> trevorman: what build do you use?
[14:26] <trevorman> that isn't specific to openelec. it'll happen with raspbian.
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[14:26] <saivert> ok so it is a commonly known issue then. fine. I can't use a wireless keyboard?
[14:27] <trevorman> no. the rpi has flakey USB at the moment
[14:28] <trevorman> for some people with some devices, you'll get random loss of a USB frame or two
[14:29] <saivert> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=12097 point 5 here
[14:31] <trevorman> most keyboards are under 100ma but if you've got a built in hub or have a ton of LEDs then it'll be over
[14:31] <trevorman> your problem is most likely caused by the missing interrupt issue
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[14:32] <saivert> yeah. I noticed that in OpenELEC I had to doubleclick where you really should only have to single click. like on buttons
[14:32] <saivert> so it affects mouse too
[14:33] <trevorman> the problem is that some other kernel code (the SDHCI driver mainly) is disabling interrupts for too long
[14:34] <trevorman> anyway, the point is that it isn't specific to openelec. you'll get it with all the raspberry pi distributions at the moment as it is a kernel issue
[14:36] <bertrik> I thought there were some kernel options you can configure do to improve the SDHCI driver
[14:36] <trevorman> yeah
[14:36] <trevorman> one of them is safe and fixes some of the problems. the other doesn't work for everybody and fixes most of whats left.
[14:36] <bertrik> like /sys/module/sdhci_bcm2708/parameters/missing_status
[14:37] <trevorman> thats the doesn't work for everybody one
[14:37] <trevorman> the sync_after_dma is the one thats supposed to be good for everybody. you need to do both though as both cause issues.
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[14:38] <trevorman> bertrik: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12097&start=225#p149671
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[14:39] <bertrik> setting both to 0 worked for me personally
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[15:14] <Gabtendo> ah what the hell
[15:14] <saivert> bertrik: I tried sdhci-bcm2708.missing_status=0 sdhci-bcm2708.sync_after_dma=0 for my OpenELEC SD card but no go
[15:14] <Gabtendo> school doesn't start until Monday, but one of my teachers just emailed me telling me to do a prelab
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[15:16] <IT_Sean> lol
[15:16] <IT_Sean> bhummer
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[15:25] <saivert> tried Fedora ARm on my RPi now. at least now I can see a bunch of USB problems. Lots of "reset full speed USB device number 5 using dwc_otg" kernel messages being printed to tty
[15:26] <trevorman> Fedora isn't recommended for the RPi at the moment as that really is buggy. They're working on it still IIRC.
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[15:32] <lrvick> Anyone that understands i2c know what im doing wrong here? http://pae.st/Ropk/
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[15:35] <gordonDrogon> can't see anything obvious, lrvick ..
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> any git experts here? I do a git commit -a ; git push, but a subsequent git clone elsewhere sin't picking up the latest changes )-:
[15:36] <lrvick> in i2c im supposed to shift it right one bit right?
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> yes
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> then again...
[15:36] <lrvick> so 0x52 >> 0x29
[15:36] <lrvick> hmm
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> try to open 0x52 ...
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> as it's a 7-bit value which is really subsequently shifted left one bit as bit 0 is the r/w bit..
[15:37] <bertrik> there's a missing return or exit after the open(), but that is probably not your problem
[15:37] <bertrik> have you tried to sudo it?
[15:37] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: 0x52 and 0x29 both fail the same
[15:38] <lrvick> NirIzr: no sudo love
[15:38] <lrvick> bertrik: *
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> might be worthwhile printf ("%s\n", strerror (errno)) ; in the fail bit ...
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[15:40] <saivert> obviously no USB input device issue when running Raspian and in linux virtual console. nothing that taxes the device much then
[15:40] <bertrik> lrvick: silly question, but does /dev/i2c-0 actually exist?
[15:40] <pinvok3> Hey guys, i want to control my ipod with my raspberry pi, i found out, that you can control the whole device via a serial connection, i can get a module for this at arduino.com, but i don't know how i can connect this stuff to a usb connection. Could someone give me a little advice?
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[15:41] <bertrik> and are you sure the device is on i2c-0, not i2c-1 ?
[15:41] <lrvick> bertrik: yes and i2cdetect -y 0 outputs the table at the top of that post
[15:41] <lrvick> only when the nunchuck is connected
[15:42] <lrvick> i2cdetect -y 1 outputs nothing. only 0
[15:42] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: where are you pushing it to?
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[15:42] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, a remote server via ssh
[15:42] <gordonDrogon> and I'm cloning via got clone https:// ...
[15:42] <bertrik> have you tried address 0xA4/0xA5?
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[15:44] <gordonDrogon> bertrik, sure? I was under the impression that the ioctl takes the 'base' device ID - ie. 7-bit number... then the driver deals with adding the w/r bit...
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[15:44] <bertrik> gordonDrogon: no, I'm not sure, you probably know more about this than I do. I thought it was worth a try though.
[15:45] <lrvick> 0xA4,0xA5,0x29,0x52 all fail :(
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> bertrik, well - I'm an armchair expert in i2c so-far :) Just done a lot of reading but no implementation yet!
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> bertrik, but the whole 7/8 bit r/w bit thing is somewhat confusing at first.
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[15:46] <bertrik> oh, I thought you already wrote an i2c access lib for the raspberry pi?
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[15:47] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: you pushed to the master branch over ssh. Then cloning from that same branch does not show your changes?
[15:47] <bertrik> I did a lot of i2c stuff on microcontrollers, but only once or so for linux
[15:47] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: id ensure your both cloning and pushing to the same url
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, yes. browsing via gitweb shows the changes, using gitweb to fetch a .tgz works OK, but git clone isn't.
[15:47] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: thats odd
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> git clone https://git.drogon.net/projects/wiringPi
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> and compare to https://git.drogon.net/?p=wiringPi;a=summary
[15:48] <lrvick> not sure how you set up gitweb. perhaps you have it tracking a different branch or need to restart it? not sure. Have not used gitweb in ages
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> Hm. that's a possibility.
[15:50] <lrvick> bertrik: yeah ive done a little bit on arduino... but... this looks pretty straight forward
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> now I've broken it.
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[15:51] <IT_Sean> ?
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'll just run gid-daemon
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[15:51] <gordonDrogon> or even git-daemon
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[15:52] <lrvick> Worth a shot.
[15:53] <lrvick> its funny ive nothad to use that is so long as github has become so ubiquitous. Evne Linus Torvalds author of both linux AND git... moved Linux to github recently.
[15:53] <lrvick> that was a shocker to many
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[15:54] <Gabtendo> today is first day of laundry in the dorm :s
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> so whats git.kernel.org then
[15:55] <Gabtendo> sad day :(
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[15:56] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: git.kernel.org actually went down and had problems, and linus moved everything to github. since then git.kernel.org went back online... but linus continues to maintain the tree at github and has praised it more than once
[15:56] <lrvick> the interface is far easier to use
[15:56] <lrvick> and even torvalds admits that, and he hates everything. He still hates the ticket/issue system
[15:56] <lrvick> but cant win them all
[15:57] <lrvick> the history browsing and graphing is neat. https://github.com/torvalds/linux/graphs/contributors
[15:58] <PReDiToR> Thank all that's good for Linus and his kernel, but FGS, the man is a living, breathing, laughing <trollface.jpg> and who can blame him?
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[15:58] <lrvick> the best though was when google switched to github.
[15:58] <lrvick> in spite of code.google.com
[15:58] <lrvick> evne google admits no one uses code.google.com anymore
[15:58] <saivert> lol. everything USB running fine until I startx and put some proper load on the Pi.
[15:58] <lrvick> lol
[15:59] <thrawed> code.google.com is useful for hosting binary releases
[15:59] <lrvick> github does this as well
[15:59] <lrvick> for free
[16:00] <lrvick> the only thing that code.googel.com still has github dos not is svn support
[16:00] <lrvick> but very few still sue svn
[16:00] <lrvick> use*
[16:01] <[SLB]> i think it has, also mercurial
[16:01] <lrvick> this is true
[16:02] <lrvick> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commits?author=lrvick hey look, thats me!
[16:02] <lrvick> ^_^
[16:02] <thrawed> Sometimes it's best not to stick all your eggs in one basket
[16:02] <lrvick> that did take a while to find, admittedly. but the kernel is not your average tree
[16:02] <lrvick> thrawed: sure, and linus also maintains the tree at git.kernel.org
[16:02] <lrvick> which serves as a nice backup.
[16:02] <[SLB]> bitbucket is nice if you need also private repositories for free
[16:03] <lrvick> but the interface is the suck
[16:03] <lrvick> eh... bitbucket really makes me sad. they are like a direct 1/1 ripoff of github, and shameless steal their interface and features
[16:03] <[SLB]> yes lol
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[16:03] <saivert> but we do need more hosted versioning providers
[16:04] <saivert> competition is good
[16:04] <lrvick> _Real_ competition with innovation is good
[16:04] <lrvick> bitbucket is like the chinese factory that simply clones things
[16:04] <lrvick> and sells them cheaper
[16:04] <markbook> how charitable
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[16:05] <lrvick> http://www.pocoo.org/~blackbird/github-vs-bitbucket/bitbucket.html
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[16:08] <lrvick> launchpad/bazaar on the other hand i consider to be good competition. they have made a lot of innovations
[16:08] <lrvick> their structure is truly impressive and github could learn some things from it
[16:08] <markbook> I don't much care. People shameless steal all the time. Users will go where they do. People notice or don't. butbucket *is* real competition. If github isn't better on the basis of their service, they have to distinguish themselves. Or you could establish a web service patent mechanism...
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[16:08] <lrvick> launchpad == competition. bitbucket == shameless thief.
[16:09] <lrvick> well hardly anyone uses bitbucket anyway, so your right. the users have spoken.
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[16:09] <lrvick> so it hardly matters
[16:09] <lrvick> heh
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[16:09] <markbook> I use what I like and I pay for it when it's worth paying for. I can't worry about what other people do or I'd be all over CentOS and Oracle and I just don't care because what they're doing is legal and ENCOURAGED.
[16:10] <PReDiToR> This is something that concerns me about the world today. Instead of beefing up customer service, or making the product better than the copies, people turn to litigation to stifle competition.
[16:10] <markbook> it's up to them to be BETTER and to convince people.
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> ok, I do not care for github. I own my own servers and will host my own stuff on them, so there!
[16:10] <lrvick> well and i appreciate github just making a blog post comparing their services honestly, instead of calling in the lawyers.
[16:10] <markbook> gordonDrogon: You tell em!
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> same reasons I won't use any photo or 'past' sharing sites either.
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[16:10] <gordonDrogon> *paste.
[16:11] * gordonDrogon stomps and pouts.
[16:11] <PReDiToR> are you going to "squeam" ?
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> and squeam until I pass out!
[16:11] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: i suppsoe you still run your own mailservers as well?
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> but lashings of ginger beer will revive me.
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, absolutely!
[16:11] <markbook> gordonDrogon: Don't worry about what other people do. I mean really. I'm telling you STOP IT! Do YOU HEAR ME!?? ;-)
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> lol!
[16:12] <lrvick> Admittedly i still run my own irc servers and don't use freenode for my community channels.
[16:12] <lrvick> but! I don't run my own raspberrypi channel. the community is here, that would eb silly
[16:12] <thrawed> yeah but gordonDrogon is a grumpy old man
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> I've neverrun an irc server...
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> less of the old!
[16:13] * markbook is grumpy and old too. It rained on my bike ride.
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> and it's Mike Cook that's grumpy... he's more grumpy than me!
[16:13] <thrawed> *grumpy man
[16:13] <PReDiToR> be polite, he's just mildly aged.
[16:13] <lrvick> I mean if your going to go richard stallman, i respect that, but do it all the way. host ALL the things.
[16:13] <lrvick> ^_^
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> yea, none of this mellow stuff here!
[16:13] <acausal> haha oh dear. those dictionary people ought to put bitbucket's project page in as an example of shameless ripoff
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> nah, there's a limit to the bandwidth I'm prepared to pay ...
[16:14] <lrvick> acausal: its pathetic right?
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> anyway, it looks like I now have a working gitweb and git: checkout system going.
[16:14] <PReDiToR> I was reading Slashdot yesterday and there was an article about a service that had promised lifetime membership for free, but is going to boot people off in a couple of months.
[16:14] <lrvick> Eh. I pay $60/mo for an uncapped bandwidth dedicated server.
[16:14] <lrvick> bandwidth is cheap
[16:14] <thrawed> competition is good for everyone
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> yea, lifetime for the life of the service...
[16:15] <PReDiToR> You just can't rely on anything but a hard drive full of data in your own hand. Cloud is a buzzword that means "subject to the whims of others" IMO
[16:15] <lrvick> and ive got 2 other boxes for 250/mo each at 3TB of bandwidth a month
[16:15] <lrvick> but those are worth more to me as they are on GigE cards
[16:15] <thrawed> PReDiToR: like how american airlines offered lifetime passes for a huge sum of money, then when a couple decades later they started looking for excuses to break the contract
[16:15] <lrvick> So i easily _could_ host everything myself... but too much work. time that could be spent writing software ^_^
[16:16] <acausal> lrvick: i find it to be, in an almost amusing way. i just have this mental image of someone handing github screenshots to a web designer. "'design' this plz"
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> it's all relative. I only have 100Mb to my rack, but I get absolutely no-where near it.
[16:16] <markbook> heh
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> and one of my clients is a local webby co with about 1000 sites ...
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[16:16] <lrvick> acausal: yeah. Thats why when anyone mentiones bitbucket im like >.>. Launchpad is respectful compettion with innovatio from canonical... but bitbucket jsut pisses me off.
[16:17] <lrvick> and I certianly would not trust someone with such shameful buisness practices with my code hosting.
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> I already have a raft of servers, so sticking one more site on them is neither here nor there.
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> and I paid for my wildard ssl, so I'll use it too :)
[16:17] <thrawed> lrvick: you sound a bit butthurt
[16:17] <lrvick> thrawed: Sorry, i have friends who are like bitbucket fanboys
[16:17] <lrvick> it bothers me
[16:18] * markbook can't be bothered to be annoyed with something like that.
[16:18] <thrawed> I have friends who are apply fanboys
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> lifes too short...
[16:18] <markbook> I mean I can agree with you. I just can't *care*.
[16:18] <thrawed> it doesn't bother me
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[16:18] <lrvick> I am an entprenuer myself, so it hits close to home. I am on my 5th company.
[16:18] <lrvick> shameless copycats get under my skin
[16:18] <thrawed> did the first 4 go bankrupt?
[16:18] <PReDiToR> Life's too short to care about inconsequential stuff and those who do are in it for the drama
[16:19] <acausal> heh. google trends says it all. very slow growth for bitbucket.
[16:19] * acausal returns to idle land
[16:19] <lrvick> thrawed: they were cheaper education than a buisness degree, i can tell you that much.
[16:19] <thrawed> trial and error isn't always the best way to go about things
[16:20] <lrvick> Most of the people with buisness degrees still fail their first 1-2 startups at a minimum, satistically.
[16:20] <lrvick> Wha tI have that they do not, isway less debt, and more time on my hands
[16:20] <thrawed> most people are retarded
[16:20] <[SLB]> lol
[16:21] <PReDiToR> 50% of people are of less than average intelligence
[16:21] <lrvick> That and I had _no_ idea what i was doing my first few companies. I was just the software engineer and trusted other people would run the buisnes well
[16:21] <lrvick> that was stupid.
[16:21] <markbook> thrawed: Who ever invented the phrase "trial and error" left out the "postmortem analysis" and "pre-trial instrumentation" phases
[16:21] <lrvick> Now I just do it all myself and only delegate things tha tI have a full understanding of and can monitor. Way easier
[16:21] <lrvick> going a lot better ^_^
[16:21] <thrawed> sounds kind of control-freakish
[16:21] <markbook> lrvick: err... ok. Depends on what you value in your time.
[16:22] <markbook> I don't "trust" the people to run the business. I judge what I see and I'll start looking for something else if I don't like it.
[16:22] <thrawed> lrvick: so what does business number 5 do?
[16:22] <lrvick> It is control freakish. If my experience has taught me anything is to only delegate things to people that have proven they can do it better than you, and have a vested interest in getting it done.
[16:23] <lrvick> In a startup you have to bea control freak.
[16:23] <thrawed> lrvick: so you give your employees stake in the company?
[16:23] * markbook starts the #raspberrypi-philosophy channel ;-)
[16:23] <lrvick> thrawed: Correct. I do not want people working with me that are only in it for the money.
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[16:24] <thrawed> zynga tried that, and then got a ton of bad pr when they fired employees who wouldn't sell them back the stock
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[16:24] <lrvick> thrawed: yeah zynga handeled it very poorly
[16:24] <lrvick> lol
[16:25] <thrawed> markbook: I'll idle
[16:25] <markbook> anyone up for #raspberrypi-lolcats?
[16:25] <markbook> ;-)
[16:25] <lrvick> no one is there
[16:25] * lrvick has been trolled
[16:25] <thrawed> markbook: :O, you liar, there's noone in #raspberrypi-philosophy channel
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[16:25] <PReDiToR> YHBT. YHL. HAND.
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[16:26] * markbook is an inveterate topic troll, sorry
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> I'm still on my first company... well, 11 years of self-employment...
[16:26] <lrvick> so! back to pi. Anyone can has make sense of this? http://pae.st/Ropk/
[16:26] <PReDiToR> I'm self-employed, but I'm starting to think my boss is a bit of a git.
[16:27] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: that's the way to go about, try and make the one company work, instead of starting over 5 times because of your poor management skills
[16:27] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: Yeah I did self employment, then merged with another company, then broke off and started another one when it got too big/silly for my taste :-P
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, Ah... OK. Address ought to be 0x52 and ... I think you need to pass the argument as a pointer, so &address in the ioctl ...
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> maybe...
[16:27] <lrvick> and got investors, and all that good stuff. Whoooole different ballgame once you start taking other peopels money
[16:28] <thrawed> I refuse to view a website that spells code with a z.
[16:28] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: no bit shifting?
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> I've no investors, just me doing my thing. my last venture has sort of failled too, but not in a bad way, it's not turned out the way I wanted.
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, I don' think so - but do check the need to pass a pointer to the value and not the value...
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> (my last venture is still going, it just didn't work the way I'd planned)
[16:29] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: no love with 0x52 and &address iin ioctl :(
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[16:30] <thrawed> lrvick: it broke
[16:30] <lrvick> thrawed: what did, my code?
[16:30] <lrvick> thrawed: do you have a wiichuck? lol
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, yea, just re-reading this: http://elinux.org/Interfacing_with_I2C_Devices looks like it's the value not a reference to it. Hm.
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[16:31] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: i thought you wrote i2c support for wiringpi, no?
[16:32] <saivert> does anyone use the RPi with a graphical OS?
[16:32] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: did you ever get the pi to actually talk to an i2c device?
[16:32] <lrvick> saivert: just ssh
[16:32] <saivert> I just think that is way too slow to be usable atm. so for any real work I stick with the linux virtual console or ssh
[16:32] <saivert> too bad X11 isn't hardware accelerated or use the VideoCore GPU
[16:33] <saivert> because that is really fast. and the fastest bit of the chip
[16:33] <lrvick> saivert: when I do use x on it i use awesome for window manager, urxvt for terminal, and luakit for browser
[16:33] <lrvick> super leight. total takes like 25mb ram
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, no - I've done some SPI stuff and was working on some i2c stuff, but it's not there at all - the I2c device I got to play with wasn't the one I thought it was.
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[16:34] <saivert> also I still paid a lot for the RPi with shipping and import tax so for certain use cases I would be better off buying one of those mini USB stick PCs instead. They have more RAM and a faster ARM core.
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> didn't you get the i2c ADC going yesterday though?
[16:35] <saivert> just too many compromises on the RPi to bring down production costs
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[16:38] <romaxa> does anyone use multiarch-wheezy setup for cross-compiling on rasppi?
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[16:39] <gordonDrogon> saivert, you've probably come to the wrong place to whinge about the Pi. We know its limitations and are working with it. Yes, there are compromises, things could be better, but for 26 quid?
[16:41] <romaxa> gordonDrogon: ping
[16:42] <romaxa> gordonDrogon: what do you use for rasppi cross-compilation?
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[16:42] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, the thing is for a lot of people the real cost has been quite a bit higher than that
[16:42] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: ADC?
[16:43] <plugwash> due to the combination of taxes and the crazy fees that couriours charge for collecting those taxes
[16:43] <ReggieUK> but it's still their choice plugwash, the foundation can't be held responsible if you have to spend more money
[16:43] <ReggieUK> I haven't had to spend extra on my pi for *anything*
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[16:43] <saivert> yeah. DHL sent me a letter after I picked up the RPi and they demanded a fee for supposedly fronting the import tax for me.
[16:44] <saivert> like hey. I paid in full when I ordered through RS components. why would I have to pay more after the fact?
[16:44] <saivert> couldn't all that be covered on order.
[16:44] <plugwash> dunno but it seems to be the norm with buying internationally
[16:44] <IT_Sean> Ask DHL for proof that they paid the import tax
[16:45] <IT_Sean> IF they did, they CAN hold you responsible for it
[16:45] <plugwash> it's a nice racket the couriours and postal service have going
[16:45] <saivert> but Norway has a incredibly low limit on what they will charge import tax for or not. like just 200NOK. anything that is worth more is taxed, anything less is free
[16:46] <saivert> so even if it is 201NOK worth total I have to pay tax for the full amount.
[16:46] <plugwash> UK is even lower :(
[16:46] <plugwash> ??15
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> romaxa, I only cross compile the kernel.
[16:47] <saivert> but from what I can read people don't even agree on what the problem is with the USB situation. Some say power problems, some say software, and some even blame the PCB design (having too narrow traces for power delivery etc).
[16:47] * plugwash guesses "all of the above"
[16:47] <ReggieUK> I've never heard anyone say the pi had too narrow traces for power
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> the way I see the additional prices is that they are more or less the same for any new board, beagle, panda, etc. you'll pay the same shipping/import/taxes, etc. no matter what the board is. Same for the peripherals needed - keyboard/mouse/hub, etc.
[16:48] <plugwash> I've seen the odd report of a configuration that didn't work with the polyfuses were merely bypassed but did work when a bypass was put across the entire board
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> romaxa, http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/26/how-to-build-a-cross-compiler-for-your-raspberry-pi/
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, Hm. thought you has a board the other day with some i2c hardware on it - maybe I'm thinking of someone else... short-term memory fade...
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[16:50] <saivert> nice hack: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=605
[16:50] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: naw it was all bit-banging.
[16:50] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: stepper motors
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> lrvick, Hm. ok.
[16:57] <romaxa> gordonDrogon: ok, I got multiarch/emdeian working on squeezy... but for wheezy there are seems some problems...
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[17:08] <Pitel> Hi, how am I supposed to update packages which are "kept in current version" using apt-get?
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[17:10] <gordonDrogon> Pitel, sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> ok. I think I now have the essence of GIT working with gitweb, and git clone git://... working.
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> https://git.drogon.net/
[17:12] <Pitel> gordonDrogon: well, that's the point apt-get tells me that package "scratch" is kept in current version.
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> Pitel, try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ...
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> Pitel, however it may be that that is the version of scratch supported by the next stable release of Debian and if you want something newer you might have to install it manually yourself.
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[17:14] <dc5ala> Pitel, it could be on hold when it will install a new additional package along the new version, try sudo apt-get install scratch and you may see something declared as new
[17:15] <Pitel> kthx, will try
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[17:24] <gordonDrogon> and the bbq is lit...
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[17:27] <nid0> gordonDrogon, rather offtopic but I recall from a while back you know your coffees, right?
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[17:37] <saivert> just got my switching power supply today. time to get some soldering on!
[17:37] <saivert> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1283274/2012-08-18%2017.29.52.jpg
[17:38] <GriffenJBS> saivert: link to the item?
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[17:42] <trevorman> looks like the pololu one
[17:42] <clever> [219702.906533] EXT4-fs warning (device mmcblk0p2): ext4_end_bio:258: I/O error writing to inode 11876 (offset 524288 size 524288 starting block 687872)
[17:42] <trumee> clever: fs corruption?
[17:43] <clever> trumee: it looks like it ran out of ram while doing apt-get upgrade
[17:43] <clever> [219693.980175] khungtaskd: page allocation failure: order:3, mode:0x20
[17:43] <clever> trumee: serial port was spewing this and a stack dump over&over
[17:43] <clever> i think the error detection code ran out of ram, triggering itself
[17:44] <clever> sysrq+F (invoke oom killer) recovered the system, but it seems something else went wrong in the process
[17:45] <clever> [ 2.283757] VFS: Mounted root (ext4 filesystem) on device 179:2.
[17:45] <clever> trumee: looks like it recovered the fs on its own this time
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[17:45] <trumee> clever: you had to reboot?
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[17:46] <clever> trumee: i did it just to be safe
[17:46] * trumee likes openwrt squashfs for this reason.
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[17:46] <clever> trumee: nothing says you cant squash a pi
[17:47] <trumee> clever: squash gentoo :)
[17:47] <clever> i actualy ran a squashed gentoo off a usb stick for many months
[17:47] <clever> squash and unionfs
[17:47] <clever> and it ran purely from ram
[17:47] <trumee> clever: i need that!
[17:47] <trumee> clever: for pi
[17:48] <clever> it ate ~512mb of ram on my laptop
[17:48] <clever> i mounted 2 tmpfs's from the initrd, one for the squashfs image and one for r/w
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[17:48] <clever> another script would save the r/w back to usb at shutdown (optional)
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[17:48] <clever> and another would merge the 2 back together to make a new squash image
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[17:48] <trumee> clever: this is different to way openwrt works?
[17:49] <clever> trumee: not sure what openwrt does, i just made this entirely from scratch
[17:49] <Craig`> Hey, trying to get cups working on my rpi and the tutorial says to add this line to the conf: Allow .. my local network is in the format 192.168.0.# so what would I add instead?
[17:49] <clever> Craig`:
[17:49] <Craig`> okay thanks
[17:49] <trumee> clever: something like this, http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Read-only_root_filesystem#Unionfs_Method ?
[17:49] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: good job! this will make it much easier for Gadgetoid to merge in changes and likewise any changes you want to merge back in from the main tree will be easy for you.
[17:50] <clever> trumee: in the case of the pi, your probly better off not using tmpfs's, just union the ro and rw partitions
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[17:50] <lrvick> gordonDrogon: and now changes are easy to document as you go so we know what is going on :)
[17:50] <clever> trumee: and i didnt modify the rc scripts at all, didnt know about that method
[17:50] <clever> trumee: all of the work was done in the initrd, before pivot_root
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[17:51] <trumee> clever: my pi is is going to see dozen of power cuts, so squashfs is something i would like
[17:51] <trumee> clever: is there any howto for what you did?
[17:51] <clever> trumee: do you want to save any changes done to the system at run-time?
[17:52] <Craig`> i'm following http://sirlagz.net/?p=585 and it says to change `Listen localhost:631` to `Listen`, if my format is rather than will I have to change that too?
[17:52] <clever> Craig`: means listen on any address
[17:52] <trumee> clever: not really.
[17:52] <Craig`> okay i'm not sure what's going wrong then, i've followed the tutorial
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[17:52] <clever> trumee: then you could try just mounting root completely read-only and see how far it gets
[17:52] <clever> trumee: leave the fs as-is
[17:53] <trumee> clever: what will happen to /var ?
[17:53] <clever> trumee: read-only
[17:54] <lrvick> So! anyone that has done some i2c hacking know why I can not connect my device? http://pae.st/Ropk/
[17:54] <Craig`> clever: would you mind looking at my cups conf file?
[17:54] <clever> *looks*
[17:54] <Craig`> okay i'll upload it
[17:54] <clever> was talking to trumee
[17:54] <Craig`> oh sorry.
[17:54] <clever> trumee: looks like my pi already has a tmpfs on /run and /run/shm/
[17:55] <clever> trumee: so those would remain ro, just mount it ro at bootup (rootflags=ro in cmdline.txt) and see how far it gets
[17:55] <clever> trumee: ah, just 'ro' will work
[17:55] <clever> *tries*
[17:56] <clever> trumee: [ 2.282238] VFS: Mounted root (ext4 filesystem) readonly on device 179:2.
[17:56] <trumee> clever: and it is happy to bootup?
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[17:56] <saivert> I measure 4.8 V between TP1 and TP2 on my RPi
[17:57] <clever> trumee: yes, but its rw!
[17:57] <clever> trumee: let me check something
[17:58] <clever> trumee: had to put ro in cmdline.txt AND set it to ro in fstab
[17:58] <clever> it changed itself to rw
[17:58] <clever> trumee: you will probly also want to ro /boot and for extra safety, flick the switch on the card
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[17:59] <clever> ssh seems to come up and so far everything works
[17:59] <clever> including cec messing with my dvd player, lol
[17:59] <lrvick> Doh. pastebin broke. Try: http://pastie.org/4544711
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[17:59] <trumee> clever: i am using a microsd card with sd adaptor. dont have a switch
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[17:59] <clever> trumee: ah
[17:59] <clever> trumee: do you see the metal contact for the ro switch?
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[18:00] <trumee> clever: i would rather keep ro with *software*, so can be changed at will
[18:01] <trumee> my pi is going to be a remote server :)
[18:01] <clever> the ro switch isnt visible, so cancle that plan
[18:01] <clever> so if you set ro in cmdline.txt and fstab, you can still remount rw at run-time
[18:01] <clever> mount / -o remount,rw
[18:02] <clever> change stuff; mount / -o remount,ro
[18:02] <trumee> clever: nice, i will try this out
[18:03] <Craig`> the ##cups channel isn't too active, would someone care to look at my cups conf please? http://paste.debian.net/184429/
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[18:04] <Craig`> perhaps I need the Allow in all the <location> blocks but I get Denied for / which I allowed for.
[18:05] <clever> Craig`: i said you need
[18:05] <clever> not *.*/24
[18:05] <Craig`> I tried that first, it didn't work.
[18:05] <Craig`> and would that work as i've got some 192.168.1.* in the network too
[18:05] <clever> /24 means the first 24 bits must match, meaning it must be 192.168.0.x
[18:05] <clever> is identical to 192.168.1.*
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[18:06] <clever> hmmm, but your .0
[18:06] <Craig`> okay thanks
[18:06] <clever> is identical to 192.168.0.*
[18:06] <Craig`> I'm trying Allow from @LOCAL
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[18:06] <clever> i think @LOCAL means the unix socket
[18:06] <Craig`> or should I stick to Allow from 192.168.1.*?
[18:07] <clever> try OR 192.168.0.*
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[18:07] <Craig`> would that work though? all my ip addresses on the network are 192.168.1.*
[18:07] <Dagger2> what IP addresses do you need to allow?
[18:07] <clever> Craig`: you said ~15mins ago
[18:08] <Craig`> Yes I know that was a mistake, sorry.
[18:08] <clever> then youll want or 192.168.1.*
[18:08] <Craig`> clever: i've just added that, i'll test it now.
[18:08] <Craig`> Dagger2: any local ip, which are in the form 192.168.1.*
[18:08] <Craig`> oh it works
[18:08] <Dagger2> then yes,
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[18:09] <Craig`> is there benefit to using over 192.168.1.*?
[18:09] <clever> trumee: if you want some small scratch-area to store logs or something, you could probly add a 3rd partition to the card and use that also
[18:09] <clever> Craig`: the /24 method lets you use subnets that are not a multiple of 8
[18:09] <clever> like mine, is thru (128 thru 256 not valid)
[18:10] <clever> more flexible
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[18:22] <Craig`> Right so i've got the printer setup it's just that i can't see the pi in windows network (so I can't find the printer using applications), i'm googling too but any ideas?
[18:23] <trevorman> cups and samba both configured properly?
[18:23] <Craig`> uh I haven't configured samba
[18:23] <Craig`> I thought I only needed that for file sharing, not printers.
[18:24] <Craig`> thanks i'll get onto that.
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[18:25] <trevorman> yeah. it does printer sharing for windows as well
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[18:30] <trumee> The voltage on my pi is 4.51V, is that an issue?
[18:30] <IT_Sean> where are you measuring that?
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[18:31] <trumee> IT_Sean: tp1-tp2 with a multimeter
[18:31] <IT_Sean> 4.5v is a hair low
[18:32] <trumee> IT_Sean: so should be higher?
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[18:35] <trevorman> trumee: it should be 4.8V at a minimum for reliable operation
[18:37] <trumee> trevorman: thanks bought a Trending UK power supply, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Micro-USB-Power-Supply-Raspberry-Pi-Computer-/330757401271
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[18:38] <trevorman> hm. something is wrong then if its only giving you 4.5V
[18:38] <trevorman> you got any USB devices plugged into the RPi?
[18:41] <trumee> trevorman: sorry, i have bought it now, will arrive later in the week :)
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[18:41] <trevorman> ohh right. what you trying to power it from now?
[18:42] <trumee> trevorman: a nokia charger
[18:42] <trevorman> ah. it might not be 5V. some phone chargers are under or over 5V
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[18:51] <IT_Sean> sorry, was afk, trumee. You want 5v.
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[18:51] <trumee> IT_Sean: thanks
[18:51] * IT_Sean is away: lunch
[18:53] * gordonDrogon just returned from ... well, a BBQ dinner I guess... :)
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> and the rain has held off!
[18:54] <trumee> on full load the volatge drops to 4.49V
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[18:57] <Craig`> uh, i'm getting "Internal Error, ordering was unable to handle the media swap"
[18:58] <GriffenJBS> trumee: what is the output V of the supply?
[18:58] <trumee> GriffenJBS: 5V
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[18:59] <trumee> GriffenJBS: i didnt measure it though
[18:59] <GriffenJBS> measure it, your polyfuse may be wonky
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[19:01] <GriffenJBS> 4.5V is too low, but may run, you want an input of up to 6V, 5.25V is ideal for a USB source
[19:01] <GriffenJBS> TP1-2 should be 4.75V min
[19:02] <trumee> GriffenJBS: how do i measure from microusb connector? (multimeter cannot reach inside)
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[19:06] <trevorman> GriffenJBS: up to 6V?
[19:06] <GriffenJBS> TP2 is ground, do you see F3 on the board?
[19:06] <GriffenJBS> trevorman: yes
[19:07] <trevorman> that is pretty far out of spec for USB :P
[19:07] <GriffenJBS> but not for the rpi input
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[19:07] <trevorman> its out of spec for the rpi as well
[19:07] <GriffenJBS> usb spec says devices must be able to handle much higher than 5.25V
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[19:08] <MycoRunner> i think usb spec is 5V +/- 5%
[19:08] <GriffenJBS> for host, devices must be able to handle beyond that
[19:08] <thrawed> hey, you guys seen this? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/443556734/pio-microsd-adapter-for-raspberry-pi
[19:09] <trevorman> you know the SoC runs off that 5V directly as well?
[19:10] <GriffenJBS> trevorman: yes I do
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[19:11] <GriffenJBS> the 5V directly connects to 5 pins on the BCM
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[19:12] <MycoRunner> I am a little disappointed at how slow the rpi is
[19:12] <GriffenJBS> MycoRunner: what are you doing with it?
[19:12] <MycoRunner> I knew it would be slow, but it just hangs there when I click on a menu or anything
[19:12] <MycoRunner> just messing around on the desktop so far
[19:12] <GriffenJBS> X is slow as it's not currently hardware accelerated
[19:13] <MycoRunner> but I have to wait like 15 seconds for the main menu to come up
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> MycoRunner, that's unusually slow... have you run rpi-update, etc. ?
[19:13] <Holden> thrawed, not a bad idea that adapter...
[19:13] <MycoRunner> GriffenJBS: ah I see
[19:13] <MycoRunner> the console is totally fine
[19:13] <MycoRunner> no I haven't connected it to the internet yet
[19:13] <dennistlg> gordon my clock ic has arrived its so cut little thing
[19:14] <MycoRunner> I _just_ started messing around with it so I don't know much about it yet
[19:14] <dennistlg> picture later
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, ok!
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[19:14] <gordonDrogon> MycoRunner, ok - well, it might be worthwhile doing some updates on it first - I'm presuming you're running Rasbian?
[19:14] <satellit> cp /boot/arm240_start.elf /boot/start.elf ? speeds it up for me...
[19:15] <MycoRunner> gordonDrogon: yep raspbian
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> MycoRunner, ok - as satellit just said - maximise your RAM by sudo cp /boot/arm224_start.elf /boot/start.elf and rebooting
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> just in-case the slowness is due to it swapping.
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> but when you do get it connected to the 'net then you can run through a series of updates.
[19:16] <MycoRunner> alright I'll try that. in the initial setup I gave the CPU the majority of the RAM
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> MycoRunner, Ah the raspbian setup might have already done that for you then
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> cmp those 2 files to check...
[19:17] <MycoRunner> well I'll try rpi-update and apt-get update
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> do the apt-'s first.
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade (and maybe even apt-get dist-upgrade)
[19:19] <gordonDrogon> I think they may even bring the new kernels in, but I'm really not sure these days as it's been a while since I installed raspbian...
[19:19] <MycoRunner> which distro do you use?
[19:20] <gordonDrogon> raspbian, but I installed it way back before they put on the fancy menu at first boot, etc.
[19:21] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: we get 3.2.27 now
[19:21] <trevorman> GriffenJBS: yup. you're right. the RPi FAQ on the site even says you can run it off 4xAAs.
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, oh? Hm. I'm still on bootc's 2.3.23..
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[19:23] <gordonDrogon> I've run a Pi of AA's... For about 3-4 hours max )-:
[19:24] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: on the main
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[19:24] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, not really bothered right now though - it does everything I need it to, so i'm happy.
[19:25] <dc5ala> thrawed, the last time i tried a 3.2 from repo it was lacking all v4l sub drivers
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[19:28] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: do you have air conditioning?
[19:28] <dc5ala> thrawed, where you got that kernel from?
[19:29] <thrawed> dc5ala: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
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[19:34] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, no!
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[19:35] <dennistlg> Gordon https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B7ArpYP7BHFAZS11cHhoUU9GVkk and https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B7ArpYP7BHFAUHZERnZzMm00b3M
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, apparently I need a google account...
[19:36] <dennistlg> no i think you dont need
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> ok, but it wants me to login.
[19:36] <dennistlg> ok upload it to pi
[19:37] <GriffenJBS> dennistlg: small enough?
[19:37] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: it's tooo hot :(
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, not where I am..
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> !w buckfastleigh
[19:38] <PiBot> gordonDrogon: in Buckfastleigh, Devon. Temp 21??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 83%, Later 21??C - 15??C. Condition: Chance of Rain.
[19:38] <thrawed> wtf
[19:38] <thrawed> !w surrey
[19:38] <PiBot> thrawed: in Surrey, BC on Sat Aug 18 17:00:00 2012. Temp 20??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 73%, Later 31??C - 16??C. Condition: Partly Sunny.
[19:38] <thrawed> it's not 20C, it's more like 29C
[19:38] <Holden> !w
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> so I hear, but here in the SW it's overcast and a bit dull. spots of rain earlier.
[19:38] <thrawed> !w surrey, uk
[19:38] <PiBot> thrawed: in surrey, uk. Temp 26??C. Condition: Partly Cloudy, Humidity: 61%, Later 31??C - 17??C. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[19:38] <nid0> thrawed: thats surrey, british columbia
[19:39] <nid0> !w norwich, uk
[19:39] <PiBot> nid0: in Norwich, Norfolk. Temp 86??F. Condition: Clear, Humidity: 43%, Later 88??F - 64??F. Condition: Mostly Sunny.
[19:39] <dennistlg> Gordon http://haxorpi.myftp.org/GEDC0017.JPG
[19:39] <dennistlg> http://haxorpi.myftp.org/GEDC0015.JPG
[19:39] <thrawed> I so wish it was raining right now
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[19:39] <thrawed> I love the smell of petrichor
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[19:39] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, heh.. you ought to scale them before uploading - must have taken ages!
[19:40] <nid0> what obscenely huge photos
[19:40] <dennistlg> have copied directly from cam sry
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[19:41] <thrawed> if you use a service like imgur you can thumbnail by adding l to the end of the url
[19:41] <Holden> dennistlg, loading very slowly... behind your dsl connection?
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[19:41] <thrawed> dennistlg: I think your sd card has a tumor
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, happy soldering :) Hope you have a big magnifier!
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[19:43] <dennistlg> gordon yes i have a good one :-D Holden yes my adsl is not fast.
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[19:44] <dennistlg> have set jpeg compression. now ammount of data is smaller
[19:44] <Holden> dennistlg, yeah, it's not that the pictures were that big, it was the bandwidth...
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[20:00] <MycoRunner> dennistlg: what is that think you put on your SD card?
[20:00] <dennistlg> Thats a Realtimeclock and temp sensor for i2c
[20:01] <MycoRunner> wow
[20:01] <MycoRunner> does the SD card still hold data?
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[20:02] <dennistlg> no no its not mounted on the sd
[20:03] <MycoRunner> oh
[20:03] <dennistlg> its only on the card because dimension of the size
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[20:04] <dennistlg> i think i solder it and glue it to a free space on the pi
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> what about the battery?
[20:04] <MycoRunner> yeah that is rediculously small
[20:05] <dennistlg> it has one pin and gnd for the backup battery
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[20:06] <dennistlg> thin i use a cr2032
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[20:06] <dennistlg> i have a fwe of them
[20:06] <dennistlg> few
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[20:46] <Habbie> pulling the protective coating from the pibow layers causes a burning smell
[20:47] <Habbie> i actually for a moment thought something was on fire :)
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[20:48] <IT_Sean> O_o
[20:48] <GriffenJBS> I can't wait for the different collors
[20:49] <thrawed> the pibow is overrated
[20:49] <Habbie> GriffenJBS, there are different colors coming?
[20:49] <GriffenJBS> the pibow site said that was a future change, the same parts in different colors
[20:49] <Habbie> cute
[20:50] <Habbie> thrawed, there's no accounting for taste :)
[20:50] <GriffenJBS> thrawed: I'm looking for cheap/secure cases that aren't paper or lego
[20:50] <Habbie> the pibow is certainly not the cheapest
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[20:50] <Habbie> but i haven't looked at any cases beyond pibow and modmypi
[20:50] <Habbie> and modmypi is a waste of money
[20:51] <darksatanic> Know anyone with a 3D printer? There's loads of cases on thingiverse...
[20:51] <Habbie> a couple of hackerspace folks have offered to print me something, yes :)
[20:51] <thrawed> GriffenJBS: adafruit
[20:51] <Habbie> but now that i decided to stick with just one pi, and i already have the pibow, there's no point
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[20:52] <thrawed> I have a modmypi myself, and I'm not very pleased with it.
[20:52] <Habbie> hmm, i wonder if i could rig an SDcard to work in both the pi and the apc.io
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[20:55] <GriffenJBS> thrawed: comments about modmypi
[20:55] <Habbie> the modmypi is too big for the pi
[20:55] <thrawed> GriffenJBS: it's loose and rattles
[20:55] <Habbie> is my basic complaint
[20:55] <GriffenJBS> modmypi cost less than pibow, simplier design
[20:55] <Habbie> exactly
[20:55] <Habbie> it also tends to come apart when you pick it up the wrong way
[20:56] <GriffenJBS> nothing a wad of foam couldn't fix?
[20:56] <thrawed> but it's very strong, it's made out of the same plastic lego uses
[20:56] <Habbie> GriffenJBS, correct, but that's not what i call a finished product
[20:56] <GriffenJBS> lol wad of paper and a rubber band
[20:56] <Habbie> someone in here mentioned he fixed it with some tack
[20:56] <thrawed> If I cover it in electrical tape it's not so bad
[20:56] <Habbie> Blu Tack
[20:57] <thrawed> the bottle half makes a nice little base by itself
[20:57] <thrawed> *bottom
[20:58] <thrawed> but you'd have to secure it with sugru or something
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[21:05] <GriffenJBS> thrawed: you mentioned ada, have you tried it? does that case rattle?
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[21:09] <thrawed> GriffenJBS: I haven't, although I'd imagine it does.
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[21:10] <Gabtendo> when doing an apt-get update/upgrade of my raspbian wheezy, I missed a message that something needed to be changed involving sql or something....anybody know what it is off the top of their head....?
[21:11] <thrawed> Gabtendo: Oh, I had that, one sec
[21:11] <thrawed> Gabtendo: You will need to change your configuration f.e. from:
[21:11] <thrawed> auxprop_plugin: mysql
[21:11] <thrawed> to
[21:11] <thrawed> auxprop_plugin: sql
[21:11] <thrawed> sql_engine: mysql
[21:12] <Gabtendo> configuration for...?
[21:12] <thrawed> hmm, maybe a pastebin would be better
[21:12] <Gabtendo> yeah, just paste the whole thing?
[21:13] <thrawed> http://pastebin.com/ZWNb2aL6
[21:13] <Gabtendo> thrawed: hm, so what configuration needs changed, exactly?
[21:14] <Gabtendo> also, thanks a lot for the paste
[21:14] <thrawed> Gabtendo: that's all it says
[21:15] <Gabtendo> thrawed: right, I'm just wondering if you know what configuration needs changed?
[21:15] <Gabtendo> (so I can change it)
[21:15] <thrawed> nope, sorry. I just had that left in my mail
[21:15] <Gabtendo> OK, thanks
[21:15] <Habbie> hmmm, if i just make /boot big enough i can put both the APC and raspi kernels in there
[21:15] <Gabtendo> I'll look into it
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[21:15] <Gabtendo> thanks for the pastie again ;)
[21:15] <Habbie> any tips on resizing /boot? :)
[21:16] <thrawed> Habbie: gparted?
[21:16] <Habbie> hmm, i could boot a gparted live CD on my mac, yes
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[21:16] <thrawed> there's probably a simple cli utility that everyone except me knows about
[21:16] <Habbie> well yes, parted
[21:16] <KuhMuh> hi, now i have a masterquestion for all networknerds here =) ive an raspbian os with cups, a smb, a nfsv3+4,active hub with exthdd wlandongle (rtl8188cus) and raspberry pi is connected via ipad charger
[21:16] <Habbie> but my problem is deeper than that - the only linux boxes i have boot from their SD slots
[21:17] <Habbie> and linux in vmware on my mac can't access the SD reader
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[21:17] <KuhMuh> the problem is that even with ethernet i get obnly about 40mbit in iperf
[21:17] <Habbie> (and parted is not in macports)
[21:17] <thrawed> Habbie: got a usb card reader?
[21:17] <Habbie> thrawed, no - would be trivial if i did
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[21:17] <Habbie> although i have a few appliances (camera, MP3 player) that i perhaps could abuse as such
[21:17] <KuhMuh> i havnt a idea how i could improve that :(
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[21:18] <Habbie> thrawed, yes, i think that solved it, thanks :)
[21:18] <thrawed> KuhMuh: the ethernet shares the usb
[21:18] <KuhMuh> yea but!
[21:19] <thrawed> so if you're maxing out the usb then the ethernet is going to suffer
[21:19] <KuhMuh> 480 mbit afaik is possible
[21:19] <KuhMuh> divided through 8 is more than ethernet ever could need =)
[21:19] <jui-feng> Gabtendo, I think that the sql configuration message is about the cyrus-sasl2 (whatever that is?) configuration. That's what the first line of the paste says :)
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[21:20] <KuhMuh> even when i disconnect the external hdd the iperf doesnt improve
[21:20] <Habbie> KuhMuh, how busy is your CPU, according to top or vmstat, during the iperf?
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[21:20] <KuhMuh> second ill test =)
[21:20] <Habbie> KuhMuh, please report all the numbers (us, sy, id, wa, etc.)
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[21:23] <Habbie> say, i spotted a rescue.img on /boot of one of the debian images (pre-raspbian, perhaps) - what does it do and has anyone manage to boot it?
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[21:26] <KuhMuh_> im back sorry =) had an crash
[21:26] <KuhMuh_> so ill look now
[21:27] <KuhMuh_> cpu about 25 in top
[21:28] <KuhMuh_> and in vmstat i have about 90000 free
[21:28] <KuhMuh_> buff 11000
[21:28] <KuhMuh_> cache 50000
[21:29] <Habbie> we need all 4 columns onder 'cpu' in vmstat
[21:29] <Habbie> or the same numbers from top
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[21:29] <KuhMuh_> 4 | 8 | 82 | 6
[21:29] <Exposure> anyone know a good tutorial for building a cross-compile environment for debian wheezy?
[21:29] <KuhMuh_> in vmstat unter cpu
[21:30] <Habbie> during iperf?
[21:30] <KuhMuh_> yeah
[21:30] <KuhMuh_> and in top:
[21:30] <KuhMuh_> 28104 1180 904 S 29.2 0.6
[21:31] <KuhMuh_> virt | res | shr | s| cpu %| mem%| in row =)
[21:31] <Habbie> 4 for the first column in vmstat can't match 29.2 for cpu % in top
[21:31] <Habbie> how long does your iperf run take?
[21:31] <KuhMuh_> second ill check
[21:32] <KuhMuh_> bout 7 seconds
[21:32] <Habbie> can you make it run for 20 or 30
[21:32] <Habbie> and run 'vmstat 2' meanwhile?
[21:32] <Habbie> and then after a few lines, report the numbers on cpu?
[21:32] <Habbie> *under cpu
[21:33] <KuhMuh_> kk u know the parameter for 20 seconds?=)
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[21:33] <Habbie> i don't
[21:33] <KuhMuh_> -t?
[21:33] <Habbie> what parameters are you using now?
[21:33] <KuhMuh_> just iperf -c ip
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[21:33] <Habbie> -t 30
[21:33] <Habbie> default is 10, by the way
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[21:35] <KuhMuh_> second =)
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[21:39] <KuhMuh_> doing it for 30 seconds now
[21:40] <Habbie> ok
[21:40] <KuhMuh_> 0 17 83 0
[21:40] <KuhMuh_> can it be?
[21:40] <lost_and_unfound> greetings all, I am trying to monitor data on a serial port (arduino on usb) I am able to connect to it but after 3mins or so my pi just stops functioning, cannot ssh or anything =/ i tried using an perl script, and also cat /dev/ttyUSBX , syslog shows "reset full speed USB device number 4 using dwc_otg" continuously. I have also tried different PSU's within the documented voltage and amps. Using the defaul weezy img
[21:40] <Habbie> you should have about 15 lines that are similar
[21:41] <Habbie> (kuhmuh_)
[21:41] <KuhMuh_> want to see screenshot?=)
[21:42] <Habbie> yes
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[21:43] <KuhMuh_> check it out
[21:43] <KuhMuh_> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/831/screenshotyrt.jpg/
[21:44] <Habbie> ok, so sy 25-30 during iperf
[21:44] <Habbie> can you get the same stats from the server during this run?
[21:44] <KuhMuh_> sy means what?=) still try to learn
[21:44] <KuhMuh_> that was from server =)
[21:44] <Habbie> sy means time spent by the kernel
[21:44] <Habbie> i gotta run
[21:44] <KuhMuh_> my server is rpi
[21:45] <KuhMuh_> so i will do this for client if you want =)
[21:47] <KuhMuh_> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/814/screenshotcy.jpg/ check this out for client
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[21:50] <KuhMuh_> any suggestions?=)
[21:51] <lost_and_unfound> is there a way to monitor amp usage with the pi ?
[21:51] <thrawed> lost_and_unfound: multi-meter?
[21:52] <KuhMuh_> lost_and_found, i experienced reset full usb USB device number when i try to attach and external hdd via an active hub
[21:52] <lost_and_unfound> thrawed: I was hoping to see / trace which device internally is pulling the amps... e.g. wich usb device etc
[21:53] <KuhMuh_> does " i gotta run" mean that someone is going to go?=)
[21:53] <lost_and_unfound> KuhMuh_: i have a suspision it is due to amps that the pi is becoming non resposive atfer a while
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[21:55] <KuhMuh_> hm
[21:55] <Habbie> KuhMuh_, if both server and client (i presume these are different machines!) have high numbers under 'id' ('cpu idle') during iperf, the problem might just be your network
[21:55] <[SLB]> KuhMuh_, i guess he's gone
[21:55] <[SLB]> oh :3
[21:55] <Habbie> but, i'm gone now :)
[21:55] <Habbie> good luck
[21:55] <KuhMuh_> lol thank you =)
[21:56] <KuhMuh_> okay so my network is okay... what else it could bne?? i mean, cpu usage is low, network is ok ...but still only about 40mbit in iperf
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[21:57] <KuhMuh_> lost_and_unfound, where did you connect arduino?
[21:58] <lost_and_unfound> KuhMuh_: usb, lower connection
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[21:58] <KuhMuh_> hm okay then i ahve no suggestions :) sorry
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[22:01] <KuhMuh_> anyone else here solved low mbit problems via ethernet?=)
[22:01] <Exposure> wheezy update broke rtl8192cu driver :(
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[22:03] <KuhMuh_> i also think that it is something misconfigured ... when i try iperf via wlan, i get nearly the same tranfer rate as ethernet (wlan 150mbit vs lan 100mbit)
[22:03] <thrawed> Exposure: someone else was having issues with that yesterday
[22:03] <Exposure> i was running the adafruit images which i believe has a special 8192cu driver that works for most people
[22:04] <KuhMuh_> Exposure : =) i experience this everytime i do rpi-update. the problem is that the kernel updates too and then disapear
[22:04] <Exposure> now it's broken again, probably using the same driver as in the official rpi wheezy image :(
[22:04] <KuhMuh_> i have raspbian but for expampe if it was 3.1.9+ #1 and then 3.1.9+ #250 i have to reinstall the driver
[22:05] <Exposure> Linux rpi 3.1.9+ #272 PREEMPT Tue Aug 7 22:51:44 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[22:05] <Exposure> so since i still don't have a working cross-compile env, can anyone send me the working driver? =)
[22:05] <KuhMuh_> and before? what did you had before
[22:07] <Exposure> hmm i still have the working driver, it just isn't picked up by modprobe
[22:07] <Exposure> don't know what I had before
[22:07] <KuhMuh_> yeah then modprobe it =)
[22:07] <Exposure> modprobe doesnt work but insmod does
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[22:08] <KuhMuh_> maybe i have something for you
[22:08] <KuhMuh_> cannot promise that it helps but i think it shoud
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[22:09] <KuhMuh_> http://forum.xbian.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29&start=60 check the quote of vomish
[22:10] <KuhMuh_> but please take the driver: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/80256631/xbian0_6-8192cu.tar.gz
[22:10] <KuhMuh_> it is 3.1.9+ too
[22:10] <Exposure> the driver works but modprobe is probably looking in a different directory..
[22:11] <Exposure> root@rpi:/lib/modules ls
[22:11] <Exposure> 3.1.9+ 3.1.9adafruit+ 3.1.9-cutdown+
[22:11] <Exposure> the correct driver is in 3.1.9+
[22:12] <KuhMuh_> install -p -m 644 8192cu.ko /lib/modules/YOURVERSION/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
[22:12] <KuhMuh_> tried this?
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[22:13] <Exposure> i don't know which directory modprobe uses... apparently it's not the same as uname -r
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[22:13] <KuhMuh_> so i dont know what install exactly does but outgoing from prompt i dont see any modprobe =)
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[22:14] <KuhMuh_> so who else thinks he is a ethernetspecialist on rpi and can help me boost from 40mbit/s =)))
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[22:14] <KuhMuh_> current status: ipad 2 charger, screenshots from vmstat 2 while iperf
[22:14] <btcbuy314> 1. how do i copy an sd card to an img file of some sort so that incase it corrupts, i can just put it back on? 2. how do i make raspberry pi take up the whole screen? theres is more than an inch border on a 23 inch screen
[22:14] <btcbuy314> can i use dd command for #1?
[22:14] <KuhMuh_> btcbuy314<-- win32imager or dd
[22:15] <Exposure> yep
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[22:15] <Exposure> but you could just copy it, no need to make an image
[22:16] <jui-feng> btcbuy314, look at overscan settings in config.txt for #2 (not sure how to use those settings)
[22:17] <Exposure> KuhMuh_: for some reason it's using /lib/modules/3.1.9-cutdown+ now...
[22:18] <KuhMuh_> ah
[22:18] <KuhMuh_> check /boot/config.txt if the kernel is using cutdown
[22:21] <btcbuy314> Exposure: when i copied it said some parts were unreadable
[22:22] <btcbuy314> err i think it said permission denied
[22:22] <KuhMuh_> did u run dd as sudo??
[22:22] <btcbuy314> no last time i tried to just copy the files
[22:23] <btcbuy314> like with copy and past4e
[22:23] <btcbuy314> maybe i should have opened pcmanfm with sudo
[22:24] <Exposure> try rsync instead of regular cp
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[22:25] <Exposure> KuhMuh_: there's nothing in that file about kernel version
[22:25] <KuhMuh_> hmm but i think this arduino uses the cutdown kernel now
[22:25] <KuhMuh_> adafruit
[22:26] <KuhMuh_> sorry :)
[22:26] <KuhMuh_> try the following
[22:26] <[SLB]> btcbuy314, if you're not going to use dd to copy the entire sd layout, then easier to use tar with gzip or bzip2 compression of the content of the partitions
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[22:27] <KuhMuh_> cp /lib/modules/YOURVERSION/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/8192cu.ko /lib/modules/3.1.9-cutdown+/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
[22:27] <KuhMuh_> and then modprob
[22:27] <KuhMuh_> e
[22:27] <Exposure> thats exactly what i did =)
[22:28] <Exposure> but what is this cutdown thing?
[22:28] <KuhMuh_> its an kernel that is "smaller"
[22:28] <KuhMuh_> not loaded any unneeded things in it i thinm
[22:28] <Exposure> yes I could guess that, but what did they take out
[22:28] <jui-feng> don't you need to run "depmod -a" after adding a module?
[22:28] <Exposure> yes you do
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[22:29] <KuhMuh_> dunno exactly but i think i red its a kind of squeeze kernel
[22:29] <Exposure> there's nothing in cmdline.txt either, where do I config which kernel image to load on boot?
[22:29] <KuhMuh_> normally you can force loading cutdown kernel =)
[22:30] <KuhMuh_> in config.txt but dunno how to force using the normal one
[22:30] <jui-feng> there's a kernel setting for config.txt, but I don't remember it right now and it's not in there by default :(
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[22:30] <KuhMuh_> whoever can solve this: he is the king!!!
[22:30] <KuhMuh_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=14936
[22:30] <Exposure> hmm I think I read somewhere that you just need to copy over the kernel.img file
[22:31] <jui-feng> ah, the config.txt line is probably "kernel=filename.img"
[22:31] <jui-feng> so "kernel=kernel.img" is the default
[22:31] <Exposure> ah, good to know
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[22:31] <jui-feng> I'm not 100% sure, I used that settings once but I no longer have the config.txt file.. from a quick forum search it appears like kernel= is correct
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[22:32] <Exposure> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt also mentions it
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[22:35] <fiftyonefifty> Is Raspbian sufficiently generalized to run on a different ARM system, (say and Allwinner A10) or would I need to go back to a base distro, like Arch Linux for ARM?
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[22:36] <thrawed> fiftyonefifty: you're probably going to find someone knowledgable in #raspbian
[22:37] <jui-feng> fiftyonefifty, AIUI, raspbian is just a collection of debian packages compiled for ARMv6, vfp2 with hardfloat. so yes, they can be used on any hardware that has armv6/vfp2.. the wheezy raspbian image itself is specially created for the raspberry pi though and probably won't work on a different ARM system.
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[22:40] <fiftyonefifty> Thanks thrawed , jui-feng
[22:47] <btcbuy314> what overscan settings should i have for a 1080p screen
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[22:49] <btcbuy314> nvm just disabling it fixed it
[22:49] <thrawed> btcbuy314: trial and error
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[22:52] <btcbuy314> is there a way to make it so that it displays on hdmi no matter what, so i dont have to turn on my monitor before i turn on the pi?
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[22:53] <bircoe> btcbuy314, check this link:
[22:53] <bircoe> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[22:53] <[SLB]> hdmi_drive=2
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[22:55] <btcbuy314> thanks!
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[22:56] <[SLB]> yw :)
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[23:16] * RaycisCharles is now known as GentileBen
[23:20] * whitman (~whitman@87-194-159-116.bethere.co.uk) Quit ()
[23:20] <npm> Today's progress: http://www.nielsmayer.com/bin/view/Raspberry+Pi/GPU+Accelerated+Video
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[23:23] * PiBot sets mode +v Behold
[23:24] <npm> ^^^ works well w/ gpodder(1) on the 'pi after setting up external video player omxplayer -o hdmi "%U"
[23:24] <npm> and of course running gpodder on remote display via ssh -Y
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[23:28] * PiBot sets mode +v bertrik
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[23:40] <Gaddel> hi, i have some sparkfun LEDs. what other components do i need to hook them up to a breadboard?
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[23:50] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
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[23:54] * BCMM (~ben@unaffiliated/bcmm) Quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
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[23:54] * PiBot sets mode +v Behold
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[23:57] * warddr (~warddr@Wikipedia/Warddr) Quit (Quit: Ik ga weg)
[23:59] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt

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