#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-08-19

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <Jck_true> Gaddel: Resistor - and you're good to go
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[0:03] <Gaddel> Jck_true: have one. sorry, let me rephrase. what are some of the best ways to connect the pi to a breadboard?
[0:04] <Jck_true> Gaddel: Find an old IDE cable
[0:04] <Gaddel> Jck_true: got one. it seems to have more holes than there are GPIO pins though
[0:04] <Jck_true> Gaddel: Just leave the end sticking off
[0:05] <Gaddel> Jck_true: oh, it's that easy? awesome. thanks.
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[0:05] <Jck_true> Gaddel: http://files.furyfire.info/LCDProc/IMG_5899.JPG
[0:06] <InControl> Gaddel: you could use these https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9385
[0:08] <Jck_true> Gaddel: Just one note - Be carefull when you remove the IDE cable - I damaged the top row on my rasp
[0:08] <InControl> Similar thing in UK http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/prototyping/male-to-female-jumper-wires-10pk.html
[0:09] <InControl> saves any soldering as the pins go straight into the breadboard.
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[0:10] <Gaddel> InControl: so could i connect one end of a jumper to a pin and the other to the breadboard?
[0:11] <InControl> Gaddel: yes that is correct
[0:11] <Gaddel> InControl: ok, so i wouldn't need to connect an IDE cable in that case?
[0:11] <InControl> no straight from the Pi to the breadboard
[0:12] <Gaddel> ok. and if i'm unable to find those jumpers at my store and if i did use an IDE cable, what would i need to put on the breadboard to use an IDE cable?
[0:13] <InControl> you would need a male-male jumper to connect from the IDE to the breadboard, or cut the end of the IDE cable off and solder pins to it.
[0:14] <InControl> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8431 the male-male type
[0:14] <InControl> but the male-female jumpers are by far the easiest if you can find them.
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[0:15] <Jck_true> Yeah IDE <-> Male/Male Jumper <-> Breadboard - Bit flaky
[0:15] <InControl> If you are looking for advice on using switches and LED's with the Pi, take a look at the the magpi magazine, www.themagpi.com
[0:15] <InControl> issues 2,3 & 4 have articles about interfacing the Pi.
[0:17] <Gaddel> InControl: thanks, got it
[0:17] <Jck_true> I need some sort of variable resistor - Tired of stealing from work :|
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[0:19] <torsteiny> dismatle a volume-control, lightdimmer or something like that
[0:20] <torsteiny> hope it's the right resistance :)
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[0:21] <Jck_true> torsteiny: Way to easy when we got entire shelves of components at work :(
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[0:22] <torsteiny> haha, it's like you're forced to steal from work!
[0:25] <Jck_true> torsteiny: i would be stealing SMD components too if i could actually use them anywhere :D
[0:26] <Amadiro> Jck_true, 1) buy hot air pistol 2) point at old graphic card/soundcard/other component for 5 seconds 3) hit card on table 4) ??? 5) YOUR FLOOR IS NOW LAYERED WITH SMD COMPONENTS
[0:26] <GriffenJBS> anyone using the module 8192cu.ko?
[0:27] <Jck_true> Amadiro: Why not take them directly from the rolls used in production? :D
[0:27] <Amadiro> Jck_true, it's fun and free.
[0:27] <Amadiro> Dismantling video cards has a satisfying feel to it
[0:28] <Amadiro> Like destroying a highly sophisticated piece of art or smashing a sculpture or something
[0:28] <Jck_true> Amadiro: VIDEOCARD FAN!
[0:28] <Jck_true> Amadiro: You're a fucking genious!
[0:28] <Amadiro> I know, right?
[0:28] <Amadiro> Why am I a genius again?
[0:29] <GriffenJBS> great, now your summoning the nannies
[0:29] <torsteiny> The variable resistor :p
[0:29] <Jck_true> Im mounting a Rasp in a cardboard ba
[0:29] <Jck_true> Im mounting a Rasp in a cardboard box as a media center - And i couldn't find a fan small enough to fit in the 5?? cm
[0:30] <torsteiny> Why would you use a fan? How hot does it get?
[0:30] <Amadiro> Jck_true, well, most modern GPUs have very weirdly-shaped fans that you probably won't be able to use
[0:30] <Amadiro> Jck_true, you can use the older ones, but small fans are ineffective and noisy
[0:31] <Jck_true> torsteiny: Not hot at all - Just a matter of doing it
[0:31] <torsteiny> haha, to add that beautiful buzzing-noise in the living room?
[0:31] <Jck_true> torsteiny: Throw it on a GPIO pin - toggle it from software
[0:31] <Jck_true> Allready stole a I2C temperature sensore
[0:31] <Amadiro> Jck_true, with the 2.5W of heat the rbpi dissipates you're entirely safe without, really...
[0:32] <Amadiro> Jck_true, make sure to put the fan on a PWM pin, and put a DC amplifier inbetween.
[0:32] <AC`97> dc amplifier??
[0:32] <Amadiro> A transistor.
[0:32] <AC`97> ^ :]
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[0:33] <Amadiro> on the low side of the fan and with a big base resistor
[0:33] <Jck_true> Amadiro: THere's a 3.5 inch hdd and the PSU in the case too
[0:33] <btcbuy314> about the male/male jumper cables listed above, i have some of those, does anyone know if you can convert them to female/male?
[0:33] <Jck_true> In a 5?? cm tall cardboard box -
[0:33] <AC`97> btcbuy314: cut paperclips ?
[0:33] <AC`97> ohwait, that's wrong
[0:33] * AC`97 has no clue
[0:34] <Jck_true> btcbuy314: You can buy small cobber climbs you can squeeze on
[0:34] <trevorman> btcbuy314: buy the female/male version. it'll be quicker, more reliable and quite likely cheaper than getting loads of little female 1x1 sockets and soldering them back to back.
[0:34] <Jck_true> clamps
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[0:34] <Jck_true> btcbuy314: Or just use an IDE cable with the male<->male
[0:34] <trevorman> doubt that'd be reliable
[0:34] <AC`97> IDE??
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[0:35] <trevorman> the IDC connectors on an IDE cable expect quite thick square profile pins
[0:35] <btcbuy314> i was thinking about an ide cable
[0:35] <trevorman> the pin on a jumper lead is usually quite thin and round
[0:35] <AC`97> orly
[0:35] <btcbuy314> is there a chance i could have one spare? like from an old computer? or would it most likely be wrong number of pins
[0:35] <Jck_true> btcbuy314: There's too many plugs - But just align it from one end and it works
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[0:35] <AC`97> btcbuy314: it WILL be a wrong number of pins. but still usable
[0:36] <Venemo> hi
[0:36] <btcbuy314> ok ill start looking
[0:36] <Jck_true> AC`97: btcbuy314: http://files.furyfire.info/LCDProc/IMG_5899.JPG
[0:37] <AC`97> eww?
[0:37] <AC`97> :P
[0:37] <trevorman> btcbuy314: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9140
[0:37] <trevorman> what AC`97 said. eww
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[0:38] <Jck_true> AC`97: Hey nobody claimed a chainsaw was pretty - But gets the work done
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[0:38] <AC`97> my chainsaw is pretty
[0:38] <AC`97> solid aluminum case
[0:38] <AC`97> yellow+black
[0:38] <AC`97> and kicks like a mule.
[0:39] <btcbuy314> wtf... i found one for an old computer but theres a single pin right in the middle that is closed and filled with plastic so its not long enough
[0:39] <trevorman> thats normal
[0:39] <Amadiro> ...chainsaw? You're putting an rbpi in a chainsaw...?
[0:40] <AC`97> btcbuy314: perhaps you can pry it out with a blade
[0:40] <btcbuy314> trevorman: normal? is there a way to use it
[0:40] <trevorman> it might even have a cut wire near the end socket for csel
[0:40] <AC`97> Amadiro: no, i put a chainsaw on my pi
[0:40] <btcbuy314> pry what off the entire case or just that one pin
[0:40] <trevorman> btcbuy314: the missing pin is normal
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[0:40] <trevorman> its to ensure you don't plug it in backwards
[0:41] <Amadiro> AC`97, you definitely shouldn't drive dangerous machinery from brittle, unreliable consumer electronics
[0:41] <AC`97> Amadiro: i was just joking XD
[0:41] <trevorman> /sys/devices/chainsaw
[0:41] <AC`97> i did put some solid aluminum on my pi though
[0:42] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tujwWFI3KrMnf9JGmx801vDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
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[0:43] <AC`97> i put heatshrink tubing over the unused pins :D
[0:43] <btcbuy314> AC`97: wher edid you get that
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[0:44] <AC`97> btcbuy314: i have no clue... https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/N1rcpY9kzDdPdrFBYMu5_fDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
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[0:45] <btcbuy314> AC`97: it was just some piece of metal you found and cut?
[0:45] <btcbuy314> how did you cut it
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[0:45] <AC`97> a file. manually.
[0:45] <btcbuy314> how long did it take
[0:45] <AC`97> got my fingers full of aluminum splinters
[0:46] <AC`97> it took around an hour, i think
[0:46] <btcbuy314> not too bad
[0:46] <btcbuy314> was it a heatsink for something else?
[0:46] <AC`97> it was probably computer-related
[0:46] <AC`97> or video card
[0:46] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cRlxWsZo9gmqi-qp2PX0AvDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
[0:46] <AC`97> i didn't cut it too well >.>
[0:47] <AC`97> but well enough that it doesn't move around once put on
[0:47] <btcbuy314> do you have thermal paste on it
[0:48] <AC`97> thermal paste on ram/cpu, pad on usb controller
[0:48] <AC`97> because the controller is lower
[0:49] <AC`97> i was planning on packing a crapload of arctic silver in between, but someone said it conducts electricity :|
[0:50] <nid0> any decent thermal paste is designed to be as electrically resistive as possible, but they all conduct to a very low amount, simply slathering it over a pcb would be risky
[0:50] <AC`97> indeed.
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[0:51] <GriffenJBS> anyone able to compile modules on raspbian?
[0:51] <AC`97> me.
[0:51] <AC`97> ohwait, archlinux here.
[0:51] <AC`97> make sure you have your kernel headers and stuffs
[0:51] <GriffenJBS> AC`97: that's what's missing
[0:51] <AC`97> install :]
[0:52] <GriffenJBS> ...
[0:52] <nid0> just download the entire kernel source from github
[0:52] <AC`97> what is raspbian based on?
[0:52] <GriffenJBS> I had my 8192cu.ko working, then they put up updates two days ago and it no longer works
[0:52] <AC`97> ooh
[0:52] <AC`97> i had to compile that too
[0:53] <AC`97> ...i believe lots of people had to compile it
[0:53] <AC`97> so just find someone that has the same version kernel as yours and ask to steal some files
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[0:53] <GriffenJBS> I'm trying to compile, but the /lib/modules/3.1.9+/build is missing
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[0:53] <AC`97> i had to symlink a bit on archlinux for the build dir
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[0:54] <chithead> /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build is just a symlink to the actual kernel sources
[0:54] <GriffenJBS> if anyone knows the package to install, or the link to make, please let me know
[0:54] <chithead> or to the build directory rather
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[0:55] <AC`97> does raspbian have locate/slocate?
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[0:55] <GriffenJBS> may, but not by default, what would you use it for?
[0:56] <AC`97> er, no clue. looking for the lost build dir?
[0:56] * AC`97 is computer illiterate.
[0:56] <PhotoJim> aptitude has a package for locate but not slocate. not installed by default.
[0:56] <PhotoJim> it has find. you can use find to find files.
[0:56] <GriffenJBS> AC`97: thanks, but I need a target to find
[0:57] <AC`97> try "/build/
[0:57] <AC`97> "
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[0:57] <PhotoJim> there's nothing in /usr/src. that's where I'd expect sourcecode to be, if that's what you're seeking.
[0:58] <AC`97> oh.
[0:58] <AC`97> GriffenJBS: what are you using your RPi for?
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[0:59] <GriffenJBS> right now I want to wifi working again so I can stream youtube to my telly
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[1:00] <AC`97> ah i see
[1:00] <GriffenJBS> btw, no build directory with
[1:00] <GriffenJBS> anything relevent
[1:04] <Amadiro> GriffenJBS, do you have linux-headers-3.2.0-3-rpi or so installed?
[1:05] <GriffenJBS> no, I'm on the 3.1.9 kernel
[1:05] <Amadiro> well, do you have linux-headers-3.1.9-something-something-rpi, then?
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[1:12] <GriffenJBS> there is a "linux-kernel-headers" package
[1:13] <Amadiro> GriffenJBS, yes, you need the kernel headers if you want to build kernel modules
[1:13] <GriffenJBS> yeah I know, I have the src, but I'm missing the path to the headers
[1:14] <GriffenJBS> so where are the kernel headers for raspbian?
[1:15] <Amadiro> GriffenJBS, typically it's in /usr/src/linux/include or so
[1:15] <Amadiro> I don't really remember, just check where the .deb puts it
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[1:16] <GriffenJBS> in raspbian /usr/src/ is empty
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[1:18] <Amadiro> GriffenJBS, well, as I said, just check where the package put them
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[1:21] <IT_Sean> even'ng raspberries
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[1:22] <saivert> problem is the Raspbian repo has kernel headers but they are not the same version as the running kernel
[1:23] <Amadiro> saivert, yeah... weird that
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[1:24] <Amadiro> I reckon it'll still work to build modules, but it's definitely a bug of some sort
[1:24] <saivert> anyways you find the kernel sources here (incl. headers) https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[1:28] <GriffenJBS> saivert: thank you
[1:29] <saivert> I really want to try out a newer kernel. I need to have this USB flakeyness fixed
[1:29] <saivert> impossible to use it when keys get stuck and mouse stops responding
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[1:33] <btcbuy314> im getting high packet loss, anyone else having this problem? and could it be caused by going through a 2 routers? i have the main router downstairs and then another one that connects to it and then my pi to second one
[1:34] <AC`97> wifi?
[1:34] <btcbuy314> ethernet
[1:34] <AC`97> dhcp?
[1:35] <PhotoJim> why do you have two routers both routing? you could turn one into a simple access point, presumably.
[1:35] <PhotoJim> assuming this is for WiFi purposes.
[1:35] <PhotoJim> btw WiFi is wireless Ethernet. still Ethernet. :)
[1:35] <AC`97> well, i have 2 modems
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[1:35] <AC`97> (or more)
[1:36] <btcbuy314> well then cable, i think that the second router is a switch, i know it doesnt have wifi
[1:36] <AC`97> a switch is a router
[1:37] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[1:37] <btcbuy314> i thought a switch is just something that extends the first router
[1:37] <AC`97> hub?
[1:37] <btcbuy314> and a router is something that connects 2 networks
[1:37] <btcbuy314> yeah basically
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[1:42] <plugwash> PhotoJim, strictly wifi is not ethernet
[1:42] <PhotoJim> no?
[1:42] <PhotoJim> well, WiFi can be all sorts of networking.
[1:42] <PhotoJim> but the WiFi most people use is still Ethernet, is it not?
[1:42] <plugwash> ethernet is 802.3 wifi is 802.11
[1:43] <AC`97> ^
[1:43] <PhotoJim> but isn't 802.3 a subset of 802.11?
[1:43] <AC`97> ...
[1:43] <plugwash> No they are both parts of 802
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[1:44] <PhotoJim> hmm.
[1:44] <plugwash> Now in theory it shouldn't make any real difference to higher layers but in practice it does because ethernet has a lot of legacy bagage that other parts of 802 don't
[1:44] <PhotoJim> ahh, okay.
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[1:44] <plugwash> in particular for IP over ethernet everyone uses the "ethernet 2" derived frame formats rather than the IEEE 802 dervived frame formats
[1:45] <PhotoJim> right.
[1:46] <PhotoJim> gotta run. bbl.
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[2:55] <deltaray> I'm having trouble when I use mpg123. It takes an extra 10 seconds to exit. Is there a way to fix this?
[2:56] <GriffenJBS> deltaray: which firmware are you using? there was a recent fix for that
[2:56] <deltaray> Uh, not sure. Hang on
[2:56] <deltaray> Do you know a quick way to find out?
[2:57] <GriffenJBS> see if /boot/.firmware_revision exist
[2:58] <GriffenJBS> it will if you've used rpi-update
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[2:59] <deltaray> Nope, so I should run rpi-update probably then?
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[3:05] <deltaray> GriffenJBS: Thanks for the tip, I'll try updating my firmware.
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[3:11] <Gaddel> InControl: hey, i could only find jumper wires where both ends seem to be male
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[3:18] <deltaray> GriffenJBS: Interesting, first I performed a system software upgrade: apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and that alone seems to have fixed the issue.
[3:18] <deltaray> I just bought this Pi last month, so maybe its recent enough
[3:18] <deltaray> Anyways, I'm happy
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[3:21] <deltaray> Anyone interested in an audio menu system for the Pi? I'm working on one. Reads your IP address off and stuff.
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[4:57] <scanf> whats the best emulation frontend/packae at the moment?
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[5:08] <bircoe> what do you want to emulate?
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[5:24] <Gaddel> hi, i have a bunch of male-to-male jumper wires and a breadboard
[5:25] <Gaddel> can i just stick an IDE cable on my GPIO pins, stick the other end to jumper wires, then connect the wires to the breadboard?
[5:26] <bircoe> course you can
[5:27] <Gaddel> ok. i've never done anything with electronics before, so i'm still learning the ropes
[5:27] <bircoe> you probably want the older 40 pin cable tho, not the 80pin one
[5:27] <Gaddel> i think i have a 40 pin, though not 100% sure
[5:27] <Gaddel> guess i'll count it...
[5:28] <bircoe> maybe an old floppy drive cable
[5:28] <bircoe> \it's easy to tell
[5:28] <bircoe> the wires on the 80pin cables are super thin
[5:28] <mranostay> er yeah
[5:28] * mranostay senses a short circuit in Gaddel's future
[5:28] <GriffenJBS> floppy drive cable fits better, less unused pins
[5:29] <Gaddel> mranostay: yep, which is why i'm being extra careful and asking questions before i connect anything to anything
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[5:57] <btcbuy314> im in some weird shell where the letters are bigger than normal and when ever i try to shutdown using shutdown -h now it says -/bin/sh: shutdown: not found
[5:57] <btcbuy314> how do i get out of this or safely shutdown
[5:58] <Gaddel> busybox?
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[6:02] <GriffenJBS> btcbuy314: did you run 'exit'?
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[6:02] <btcbuy314> GriffenJBS: yeah i did
[6:03] <GriffenJBS> what happened?
[6:03] <btcbuy314> poweroff worked but then when i rebooted, it brougth me to the same thing
[6:03] <btcbuy314> it said "Processing /etc/profile... Done"
[6:03] <btcbuy314> and then im still in the shell
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[6:50] <npm> Anybody got this working or avail? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/GstOpenMAX
[6:51] <npm> i.e. use gstreamer instead of omxplayer ??
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[6:58] <MycoRunner> anyone know how to update the firmware on arch?
[6:59] <AC`97> just download and copy
[6:59] <AC`97> otherwise, raspberrypi-firmware 20120818-1
[6:59] <AC`97> oh, that's today O.o
[7:00] <AC`97> i didn't even notice
[7:00] <MycoRunner> hm, i think I have the latest
[7:00] <AC`97> new one is sorta crashy with my usb hub
[7:06] <MycoRunner> weird I just hit a key that listed the directory
[7:06] <MycoRunner> like ls- a but without . and ..
[7:07] <MycoRunner> but there is was nothing displayed as the command
[7:07] <AC`97> ??
[7:07] <MycoRunner> it just randomly showed me the contents of the directory...
[7:07] <AC`97> was it "!" ?
[7:08] <MycoRunner> no, the prompt above doesn't show anything
[7:08] <AC`97> oh. tab
[7:08] <AC`97> ?
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[7:09] <AC`97> or *[tab][tab]
[7:09] <MycoRunner> no I just tried that but it displays something else with like 1000 entries
[7:10] <MycoRunner> this is just 2
[7:10] <AC`97> interesting...
[7:10] <MycoRunner> i'm trying to figure it out but I have no idea
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[7:21] <Gabtendo> So
[7:22] <Gabtendo> I got the awkward guy from the United Arab Emirates in the dorm room to talk to us
[7:22] <Gabtendo> Yeah, his cup of water totally turned out to be vodka
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[7:25] <MycoRunner> lol
[7:27] <MycoRunner> is there a way to set up the RPi to use something other than vfat?
[7:27] <MycoRunner> like ext4?
[7:28] <Gabtendo> my Rpi uses ext4?
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[7:28] <Gabtendo> what dist are you using?
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[7:29] <MycoRunner> Gabtendo: whoops I was looking at the /boot partition
[7:29] <MycoRunner> it is ext4
[7:29] <MycoRunner> the root I mean
[7:29] <MycoRunner> I'm using arch
[7:29] <Gabtendo> so you want the boot partition to be ext4?
[7:31] <Gabtendo> MycoRunner: ?
[7:31] <MycoRunner> no no I looked at fstab and saw my /boot was vfat, I thought it was my root partition
[7:32] <MycoRunner> I keep forgetting that / is not in fstab anymore
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[7:32] <AC`97> MycoRunner: you could put it in there if you want ^_^
[7:33] <MycoRunner> I think I've just been messing around with this thing for too long tonight
[7:33] <AC`97> i tried some liquid nitrogen cooling on mine.
[7:33] <MycoRunner> getting way too tired :/
[7:33] <AC`97> didn't make much difference
[7:33] <Gabtendo> (I was wondering why in hell you would want your boot partition to be ext4 anyway)
[7:33] <Gabtendo> (so that makes more sense)
[7:33] <MycoRunner> AC`97: is there an internal temp sensor on the cpu?
[7:33] <AC`97> i doubt boot in ext2/3/4 would work
[7:34] <AC`97> MycoRunner: most likely no
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[7:42] <MycoRunner> mount: unknown filesystem type 'binfmt_misc'
[7:42] <MycoRunner> anyone know what that means?
[7:43] <AC`97> miscellaneous binary format?
[7:43] <AC`97> /dev/mmcblk0p1 ??
[7:44] <MycoRunner> I don't know, it just shows up on boot
[7:45] <AC`97> oh
[7:45] <AC`97> (no clue)
[7:45] <MycoRunner> ok
[7:45] <MycoRunner> I'll just ignore it :p
[7:45] <AC`97> indeed
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[9:17] <ZiauddinMK> hey, this is the first time i enter this room, now i use arduino, and excited to learn more about rpi
[9:18] <Dyskette> Hello :)
[9:18] <Dyskette> It's often fairly quiet this time of day.
[9:18] <ZiauddinMK> the room is quiet?
[9:19] <JeffWBrooktree> Good morning.
[9:19] <Dyskette> At the moment, yeah. It's usually pretty active.
[9:20] <ZiauddinMK> what if i want to make a mobile device out of raspberry pi, and use blender as a game engine
[9:20] <ZiauddinMK> ?
[9:20] <ZiauddinMK> like ipad and android
[9:21] <Dyskette> Then you'd probably have a lot of hard work on your hands ;)
[9:23] <ZiauddinMK> it can process games like the ones on ipad, right?
[9:24] <joga> no...
[9:24] <ZiauddinMK> why not?
[9:24] <ZiauddinMK> it ran quake fastly.\
[9:26] <ZiauddinMK> joga:
[9:26] <joga> afaik iPads are significantly faster and not as general purpose as rpi, quake would probably be peanuts to an ipad but I guess you can't run it on an ipad heh
[9:29] <joga> I don't know much about ipads or their specs though, have just seen a few times when someone else is using them and it felt pretty snappy when I quickly tried, but it's a product that's designed to appear slick and quick so they probably cut some corners to achieve that
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[9:30] <JeffWBrooktree> Besides that Quake is sort of an old timer already. It was designet at a time when computer specs were far away from the ones we have today.
[9:31] <Dyskette> The i
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[9:31] <Dyskette> iPad has a much newer ARM processor with more features.
[9:31] <Dyskette> Probably also a bunch more RAM.
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[9:33] <joga> that said, with a sexy touchscreen that you could fit rpi in, you could probably achieve a modest tablet with a lot of work, but not an ipad killer
[9:34] <btcbuy314> how do i program the raspberry pi gpio pins?
[9:35] <bircoe> btcbuy314, there's tons of examples here: http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
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[9:42] <joga> I just got my rpis a couple of days ago, currently ircing with one, I was very positivily surprised with how fast it booted and was usable
[9:43] <joga> I used to have a bifferboard running as a small server and it was pretty sluggish though nifty as well. but this thing is ok for terminal stuff and light surfing which probably covers the majority of my computer usage anyway :)
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[9:51] <JeffWBrooktree> joga: same here. Pi is currently my IRC and Owncloud device. Accessing it right now with an iPhone SSH app.
[9:51] <joga> heh I use it locally with notion window manager
[9:53] <joga> oh, this brings to mind a question: I have a kinesis advantage pro keyboard, but if I plug it in the rpi, it doesn't work right, dropping letters and acting 'sluggish'... I wonder why that is, usb power or such? I haven't yet tried with a hub in between
[9:53] <joga> currently I have a plain dell keyboard plugged in and it works fie
[9:53] <joga> *fine
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[9:54] <bircoe> joga... check the wiki and you'll quickly find the onboard USB ports are limited to 140ma
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[9:54] <joga> ah ok, didn't get that far yet, but that probably explains it
[9:54] <joga> it's a fairly complex keyboard heh
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[9:54] <bircoe> if you keyboard requires more than this it will need to be powered by an external source... most common is powered Hub
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[9:55] <joga> yeah, I have one and that's ok, I just recently moved in a new flat so some of my stuff is still in boxes somewhere so haven't found the hub yet ;)
[9:55] <bircoe> check the label underneath the keyboard, it should tell you it's power requirements
[9:56] <joga> hmm, no power markings there..
[9:57] <JeffWBrooktree> There is no way to fund out through software hiw much a device actually draws. isn't it?
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[9:59] <joga> anyway, this keyb has a 2-port hub for low-power devices, it's probably designed to draw more than 140mA
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[10:17] <thrawed> I think I'm going to melt
[10:17] <Bob_George33> Why thrawed
[10:18] <thrawed> it shouldn't be this hot in august, it's unnatural
[10:18] <Bob_George33> How hot?
[10:18] <thrawed> 29
[10:18] <Bob_George33> Summer or Winter?
[10:19] <thrawed> summer
[10:19] <Bob_George33> That's hot?...
[10:19] <thrawed> for me it is
[10:19] <Bob_George33> I wish it was 30 in Winter >.>
[10:19] <thrawed> I'm used to it being rainy and miserable
[10:19] <thrawed> I can't take this blue sky any longer
[10:20] <Bob_George33> Haha. I wish it was blue skies :( and 8AM wake ups for work at 8:30
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[10:22] <Bob_George33> Rpi currently updating
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[10:23] <thrawed> mine isn't
[10:24] <thrawed> I think I should learn php or something to make my pi webserver a little bit more interesting
[10:24] <Bob_George33> PHP is easy enough to learn
[10:24] <Bob_George33> You should give it a crack
[10:25] <thrawed> or maybe python
[10:25] <thrawed> what would be best for a server backend?
[10:25] <joga> I'd love to say learn python instead of php, but for web stuffs...dunno
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[10:25] <thrawed> reddit is made from python
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[10:26] <maicod> Hi. Who uses raspbian wheezy with a wifi-dongle under X succesfully ? I used 3 wifi dongles and 2 keyboards (realtek and ralink chipsets of the dongles) but all have trouble with wifi under X. It has to do with the keyboard driver. See my question on http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=14857&p=153326#p153326 maybe someone has good experience with a USB dongle of some brand and I can get that one to make the problem go away
[10:26] <joga> k, well learn python then :)
[10:26] <thrawed> maicod: I doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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[10:26] <thrawed> oh no wait, you said x
[10:26] <thrawed> maicod: I don't use x.
[10:26] <maicod> thrawed: yes :)
[10:26] <maicod> OK
[10:26] <maicod> under text mode it all works fine although the keyboard sometimes repeats characters that I type
[10:26] <joga> maicod is the dongle directly connected to the port or via hub?=
[10:27] <Bob_George33> maicod: not using X, but have working wifi adaptors
[10:27] <joga> (powered hub)
[10:27] <maicod> via hub
[10:27] <thrawed> maicod: by the way, you could try in #raspbian too
[10:27] <maicod> Bob_George33: me too but no under X :(
[10:27] <thrawed> maicod: are you on the latest firmware?
[10:27] <maicod> I got the ULN hub thats on the list of verified pheripherals
[10:27] <thrawed> hubs are for posers
[10:28] <maicod> thrawed: the 15 july wheezy edition
[10:28] <Bob_George33> Is the power the Pi getting sufficient?
[10:28] <maicod> yeah it is !
[10:28] <maicod> I measured tp1 tp2
[10:28] <maicod> I also got 1A psu from RS that I ordered especially for the Pi
[10:28] <maicod> thrawed: what do you mean with firmware?
[10:29] <maicod> I use wheezy edition
[10:29] <thrawed> maicod: I mean /boot
[10:29] <thrawed> maicod: have you run rpi-update?
[10:29] <maicod> thrawed: how to update ??
[10:29] <maicod> no
[10:29] <maicod> damn is that the problem ??????
[10:29] <thrawed> type sudo rpi-update
[10:29] <maicod> ok
[10:29] <thrawed> maicod: maybe, but it's better to rule it out first
[10:29] <maicod> sounds like a solution :)
[10:30] <maicod> ok will do but I'm in another room than the Pi so I must walk from room to room to try
[10:30] <maicod> brb
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[10:30] <thrawed> maicod: are you a windows user?
[10:30] <Bob_George33> Get Putty
[10:30] <thrawed> yeah
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[10:30] <thrawed> I use putty to ssh into my pi, it works fantastically
[10:30] <Bob_George33> http://ninite.com/putty-winscp/
[10:31] <Bob_George33> Putty into it and you don't need a screen attached
[10:31] <thrawed> that way, if you already have a computer, you don't have to have two sets of mice/monitors/keyboards
[10:31] <Bob_George33> WinSCP allows you to easily transfer stuff onto the Pi too
[10:31] <thrawed> I use filezilla
[10:32] <maicod> I am a windows user and I know of putty but since I keep needing a fresh image I keep installing and enabling stuff like ssh so I didnt do that at the moment yet
[10:32] <maicod> I will come back tonight I have to clear the room of the computer stuff now :(
[10:32] <maicod> thanks so far :)
[10:32] <maicod> i'm out
[10:33] <thrawed> I think the foundation raspbian image has ssh on by default
[10:33] <[SLB]> there's a nice ssh client for windows that's pretty complete and allows to exchange files via scp all in one
[10:33] <maicod> oh well I need to clean the room :)
[10:33] <thrawed> [SLB]: Oh really?
[10:33] <thrawed> maicod: did rpi-update do anything?
[10:33] <[SLB]> yup moment
[10:33] <thrawed> it's called moment?
[10:33] <Bob_George33> Dammit. My RasPi isn't booting >.>
[10:33] <[SLB]> no sorry checking its folder eheh
[10:34] <thrawed> Bob_George33: give it a kick
[10:34] <Bob_George33> OK light flashes 6 times then stops
[10:34] <maicod> thrawed: it didnt say it was a valid command. but I also tried the raspi-config menu and then the update menu item
[10:34] <maicod> is that the same function ?
[10:34] <thrawed> I'm not familar with the raspi-config menu
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[10:35] <maicod> ok but why does rpi-update say its not a valid command (script/program not existing) ?
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[10:36] <thrawed> maicod: Does it say -bash rpi-update: command not found or something?
[10:36] <maicod> lemme check
[10:36] <thrawed> rpi-update
[10:36] <[SLB]> it's called SSH Secure Shell
[10:36] <[SLB]> http://www.dartmouth.edu/comp/soft-comp/software/downloads/windows/ssh-sftp/install.html
[10:36] <thrawed> what an odd name
[10:36] <[SLB]> eheh
[10:37] <thrawed> isn't a bit confusing to name your program after the protocol?
[10:37] <Bob_George33> Router Reboot Time: BBIAB
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[10:38] <thrawed> [SLB]: that file is 7 years old!
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[10:38] <[SLB]> not sure that's the main website, but yes long time i have it
[10:38] <maicod> thrawed: now the whole bash got stuck and I really need to clean the room of the computer stuff (the Pi) so I can't continue now. will try and ask tonight again ok ?
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[10:38] <[SLB]> checking
[10:39] <thrawed> maicod: sure
[10:39] <maicod> thrawed: sudo rpi-config made the bash hang (and ctrl-c doesnt't do anything)
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[10:39] <thrawed> lol
[10:39] <maicod> thrawed: sudo rpi-update made the bash hang (and ctrl-c doesnt't do anything)
[10:39] <maicod> oops
[10:39] <maicod> :)
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[10:40] <maicod> ok hope to see you around here in a bunch of hours from now :)
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[10:40] <thrawed> does anyone know for sure whether the raspbian foundation image comes with rpi-update?
[10:40] <Bob_George33> I can check in a sec
[10:40] <[SLB]> maybe from here, not sure http://sils.unc.edu/it-services/servers/using-ssh/
[10:41] <Dyskette> thrawed: it does not.
[10:42] <thrawed> Dyskette: hmm, why not?
[10:42] <thrawed> [SLB]: kitty looks interesting
[10:42] <Dyskette> The updates in it get pushed via apt eventually anyway.
[10:42] <Dyskette> rpi-update is kinda for beta testing.
[10:42] <Bob_George33> raspi-config
[10:42] <[SLB]> ah eheh
[10:43] <thrawed> [SLB]: http://alternativeto.net/software/putty/
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[10:44] <dangerousdave> has anyone turned a raspberry pi into an amiga emulator?
[10:45] <Dyskette> People have got PUAE running on it, if that's what you mean?
[10:45] <thrawed> http://petrockblog.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/retropie-setup-an-initialization-script-for-retroarch-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[10:46] <thrawed> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=145591
[10:46] <Bob_George33> was just grabbing that link
[10:46] <dangerousdave> thanks all, but i dont think it emulates an amiga
[10:47] <dangerousdave> Dyskette: looking at puae
[10:48] <Dyskette> "(p)UAE is a computer emulator which emulates the hardware of the Commodore Amiga range of computers." quoth wiki.
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[10:50] <InControl> don't think the Pi has aenough horsepower to emulate Amiga
[10:51] <Dyskette> "Many Amiga games and applications can run smoothly on a Pentium II-era system."
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[10:52] <InControl> with only 224MB available memory ?
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[10:52] <[SLB]> there's a also 240mb split, in case
[10:53] <InControl> Amiga is difficult to emulate due to the number of custom chips it had.
[10:54] <Dyskette> 224MB would've been a lot for a Pentium II
[10:54] <joga> I don't see the memory as being that much a problem... A500 had like 512KB by default?
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[10:55] <Dyskette> InControl: those were the arguments people made when the UAE project was started in 1995. By 1997, it had been pretty much proven that it was feasible.
[10:55] <InControl> not so much the memory that the original machine had, but more memory to hold the emulator
[10:55] <[SLB]> my Pentium I came with 16mb of ram, lol
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[10:56] <InControl> Feel free to try it but I don't think you will get very good results from a Pi
[10:56] <[SLB]> that was in 1997
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[10:57] <joga> I'd try but I don't think I have the roms handy right now
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[10:58] <Dyskette> You should get perfectly decent performance from a pi.
[10:58] <Dyskette> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A35MhabP_8
[10:59] <Dyskette> It ran on pentium 2 systems when they were current. They did not have as much RAM as the Pi, typically, nor much more processor grunt.
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[11:04] <saivert> Dyskette: interesting that the power of a Pentium 2 can be shrunk this much
[11:05] <Smedles> 'the power of a pentium 2' - is that an oxymoron :)
[11:05] <saivert> lol
[11:05] <joga> more power imo...consider playing back 1080p video on a pentium II era computer ;)
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[11:06] <dennistlg> joga you can
[11:06] <dennistlg> with external vga card
[11:07] <joga> when I had a pentium II or something like that, it was common to have maybe 2-8MB of gfx ram at most
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[11:07] <joga> and they weren't exactly optimized for video playback methinks :=
[11:08] <Dyskette> Yeah, but that's GPU side, not CPU side.
[11:09] <Dyskette> So whatever graphics card your Pentium II system had in it, it wasn't actually part of the Pentium II ;)
[11:09] <joga> yeah, but in this case I count in the GPU power :)
[11:09] <dennistlg> its same as pi
[11:09] <joga> yeah, sure
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[11:09] <dennistlg> pi video is optimized to
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[11:10] <joga> but I'd really like to see someone playing back 1080p okayishly on a (refurbished) Pentium II
[11:10] <joga> not saying it can't be done, a bit pointless at most :)
[11:11] <dennistlg> yes think same
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[11:11] <joga> would at least cost a fortune compared to rpi
[11:11] <RaYmAn> PII's had trouble playing back 576p divx :P
[11:12] <joga> heh, pretty much all my computers except one have problems with hd video, even 480p can be sluggish on some
[11:12] <joga> (the older ones can't even run a decent browser, let alone flash)
[11:13] <ZiauddinMK> joga: hey, sorry, got disconnected
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[11:16] <saivert> crap. Seems like my USB issues are limited to just this wireless keyboard/mouse combo. I plugged in a wired keyboard (Logitech Media Keyboard 600) and it works without a hitch. Too bad. Better buy some new wireless keyboard/mouse combo then...
[11:17] <saivert> I will list it on the eLinux wiki as a non-working piece of s....
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[11:17] <ZiauddinMK> joga: aha, now what about a pdf reader, like the kindle
[11:17] <ZiauddinMK> making one using rpi
[11:18] <acausal> need moar uptime 19:15:37 up 13 days, 51 min
[11:18] <saivert> Does anyone here work with the eLinux wiki? What is the etiquette regarding edits on the wiki?
[11:18] <saivert> Can I just put up whatever ?
[11:18] <acausal> but also need to try other OSes and such. these goals conflict :(
[11:18] <saivert> or is there a submission process
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[11:19] <acausal> well, it's a wiki. if it lets you edit it, edit it :P
[11:22] <joga> ZiauddinMK complex pdfs can be sometimes costly to render so it might be a bit slow but I don't think it's unfeasible. text based formats like some ebooks should be much lighter
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[11:24] <ZiauddinMK> joga: could that be financialy useful?
[11:24] <ZiauddinMK> i mean, is that a product that could make $
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[11:38] <saivert> Should stick with some Logitech/Microsoft wireless keyb./mouse combo instead. Works. This A4Tech china crap can't be trusted on to work with a Raspberry Pi
[11:38] <saivert> The Pi is picky!
[11:38] <joga> saivert using a hub?
[11:39] <saivert> yes of course
[11:39] <joga> k
[11:39] <saivert> That was the first thing I did when it didn't work. Buy a powered hub. but that did not fix it
[11:39] <joga> saivert which keyb didn't work?
[11:39] <saivert> "Model GL-6 USB Keyboard, 20mA. Part of wireless keyboard/mouse bundle GL-6630 (GL-6 + G7-630 + RN-10B) - suffers from USB flakeyness. Even on a powered hub. No problems on other computers I have tested it with.
[11:39] <saivert> from A4 Tech
[11:40] <joga> k
[11:40] <saivert> I just put it on the bad list on eLinux wiki
[11:40] <joga> hopefully my keyb starts working right after I find my hub
[11:40] <saivert> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals
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[11:42] <megatog615> does raspbian support nfs exports now?
[11:42] * Tachyon` blinks
[11:43] <Tachyon`> I'd be surprised if those weren't always supported
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[11:43] <megatog615> nfs is unsupported in the kernel last i tried
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[11:46] <Tachyon`> oh, that's a bit of an omission
[11:46] <Tachyon`> not even lurking around as a module?
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[11:49] <gordonDrogon> morning chaps!
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> in domestic engineering mode this morning :)
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[11:50] * Smedles got sick of trying to get usb-serial adapters working, and ordered http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200805046330#ht_3142wt_1165
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[11:50] <InControl> gordonDrogon: hoovering you mean ?
[11:50] <megatog615> Tachyon`: nope
[11:50] <Smedles> ie a MAX3232 board which can interface directly to the pi
[11:51] <Smedles> found one in melbourne, so should be here by mid-week
[11:52] <saivert> for serial port?
[11:53] <saivert> I rather need to get started using I2C I think. Or if someone knows of another way to do voltage sensing via GPIO that should work too
[11:53] <Tachyon`> what voltage are the UART pins on the pi btw?
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> InControl, yea ;-)
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> 3.3v on the tx/rx
[11:54] <Tachyon`> oh, good, I alraedy have a max233 interface
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> same as it is on the other gpio pins.
[11:54] <Tachyon`> the pandora is 2v or something so thought it worth checking, lol
[11:54] <saivert> I already got a USB to 3.3v serial adapter. bought it for controlling a WRT54G
[11:54] <saivert> that should be useful
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> saivert, i2c or spi A/Ds ought to work.
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> although I know someone working on a home-brew A/D for the Pi - it won't be fast, but will demonstrate the principles...
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> another way if it's resistance your sensing might be to use a circuit like the olde Apple II joystick interface which used a 555 timer (quad) - you output a pulse to reset the timer, the RC charges and it then flips and you count the time taken to read the input pin... a real hack though ;-)
[11:56] <InControl> Been reading about using the Pi as an oscilloscope but apparently it isn't well suited :(
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> InControl, not really, but I'm working on it.... :)
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> InControl, will be able to do audio frequencies which is good enough for demonstrations.
[11:57] <InControl> supprised when old petium Pc's could work with a velleman pc scope via the parallel port
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> old pentiums weren't running linux..
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[11:58] <InControl> perhaps needs a micro controller to do the capture and scaling and then send a stream of data to the pi for display.
[11:59] <acausal> need an adc? simply get 2^8 op amps and wire them up as comparators for each of the levels. then get a gpio multiplexer so you can scan over all of them
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> thatt's how the dso quad works - little fpgs doing the capture sending to an arm to do the processing/display...
[11:59] <acausal> not impractical at all ;P
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[12:00] <gordonDrogon> acausal, they're called flash convertors - or were when I looked at using them for video capture some years back!
[12:00] <acausal> oh dear, they actually exist?
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> but you can get away with 8 comparitors and a good resistor network.
[12:01] <InControl> I used to have a velleman DSO and frequency generator that I used for testing filters using a bode plot, have not found anything else that does that.
[12:01] <acausal> heh
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> my little dso quad will show a 10MHz wave, but it's a bit ropey, although I do need to calibrate it to the probes.
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[12:03] <InControl> the bode plot scans through a range of frequencies showing the attenuation for them all
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> acausal, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_ADC
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[12:03] <gordonDrogon> InControl, handy for looking at adsl signals then..
[12:03] <InControl> so the frequency generator steps through a whole range of frequencies to see how well a filter is working
[12:03] <acausal> heh yeah i just looked it up. apparently they offer very high sample rates, which makes sense
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[12:05] <gordonDrogon> right. off to do the hoovering. wifey is a bit sensirive to dust, (as in properly allergic) so mr dyson will help me ...
[12:07] <joga> ZiauddinMK I don't see it as very feasible in terms of profit, there's already kindles and such and cheap e-book readers with e-ink displays, unless you have some novel killer feature in it it's very unlikely in my mind to have success in that market
[12:08] <joga> when I think of rpi I think of stuff that a consumer "device" can't do that well, such as interfacing with miscellaneous hardware and home automation and such
[12:08] <trumee> since recording from a 'usb soundcard' leads to very poor sound, i am wondering if there is any other way i can audio to RPi. can alsa record a wav<>network<>Rpi?
[12:09] <joga> a "single-purpose" thing like an ebook reader doesn't need the flexibility that the rpi offers and should probably be designed from scratch to be cheap and dedicated to do the one thing well
[12:09] <trumee> i need a network aware sound server.
[12:11] <trumee> read microphone on pc <>stream 'unencoded pcm' audio<>network<>read pcm audio on RPi, ices converts to ogg
[12:11] <trumee> question is how do i stream 'unencoded pcm' audio.
[12:14] <joga> wouldn't recording quality from usb soundcard depend on the quality of the usb sound card and microphone?
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[12:15] <InControl> joga: I would have thought so
[12:15] <trumee> joga: yes, but i am not recording on Rpi. It is a different hardware (openwrt router)
[12:15] <joga> I happen to have a spare usb sound stick somewhere but haven't tried it yet
[12:15] <trumee> joga: usb audio on Rpi is poor.
[12:16] <trumee> joga: that is the reason i want to get audio from somewhere else
[12:16] <joga> trumee I don't see how it would be any poorer on Rpi than on some other computer
[12:16] <InControl> if you are talking about the 99p usb adaptors it is no wonder it sounds bad
[12:16] <trumee> joga: too much distortion. my 99p usb sound card works very well on my linux PC but not on Rpi
[12:17] <trumee> so can i record on my PC and then send audio over to RPi?
[12:17] <joga> I heard that the analog out was bad but the sound card will give digital data to Rpi so it's more a matter of the sound card than Rpi afaik
[12:17] * trumee wonders if PulseAudio can do that
[12:18] <joga> (or recording settings or such, who knows)
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[12:19] <Tachyon`> in what way is usb audio poor?
[12:20] <Tachyon`> it should be no different to any other device given it's generated in the USB adpater
[12:20] <trumee> Tachyon`: there is too much distortion in audio
[12:20] <Tachyon`> hrm, perhaps a driver/mixer issue
[12:20] <Tachyon`> perhaps it's outputting for headphones instead of line out or something
[12:21] <trumee> Tachyon`, joga:http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=14741
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[12:22] <Tachyon`> I can't see it being a USB problem, it's just data, if it can transfer it reliably for a flash stick so should it for an audio adapter
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[12:23] <Tachyon`> I'd be thinking more in the direction of drivers/mixer settings...
[12:23] <teff> pulse can act as a sound server http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/Network
[12:23] <Tachyon`> perhpas the gain is turned up on the mic, they often have an option for that
[12:24] <trumee> teff: thanks
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[12:45] <saivert> can't get serial port working with either RaspBMC or OpenELEC. even though I have the correct stuff in cmdline.txt
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[12:45] <saivert> not even kernel messages are showing. trying with Raspbian now
[12:48] <mikma> oh whee, my first edit on elinux :) "Prodige NanoX" (Rii Wireless 2.4 Ghz Keyboard-mouse Combo) works just fine in Raspi
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[12:49] <mikma> now, i think there might be a small 'problem' with the USB Remotes section... http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Remotes
[12:49] <mikma> Do we need to mark them as Working or Problem when they are listed under one topic?
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[12:56] <trumee> what is the prupose of different armXXX_start.elf files?
[12:56] <nid0> to set the gpu memory/ram split
[12:57] <trumee> nid0: i dont use X. Can i increase the memory?
[12:57] <nid0> if you dont need any graphics you can use the highest split for ram yeah
[12:57] <trumee> nid0: nice, thanks
[12:58] <nid0> just copy it to start.elf and overwrite the current one
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> phew! it's a bit warm and muggy here today )-:
[13:01] <bertrik> a bit!? it's supposed to become the hottest day of the century here (netherlands) today :)
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[13:02] <darksatanic> The newspaper said "Britain enjoys the hottest day of the year". I beg to differ -- "enjoy" is not the right word.
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> I'm quite a bit west of all the heat. We had a spot of rain eariler.
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> right now the hoovering is out of the way I think I'll have a shower...
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[13:07] <bampersand> hey guys, it seems a lot of my problems are because there's no space left, i've got an external hard drive here that I could use for some space is there a quick and easy way to do this?
[13:08] <joga> bampersand what sort of problems were you having?
[13:09] <bampersand> well basically i've set up cups and samba and trying to have other computers on the network print but that's not been happening, I checked my samba log and i'm getting errors like write_data_at_offset: write failure. Error = No space left on device , and then when I tried moving the log file to my /home/shares/public file I got: cp: failed to extend `/home/shares/public/log.user-pc': No space left on device
[13:10] <bampersand> i've got an hard drive here I was just wondering how i'd go about using some of that for storage
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> what size is your SD card, and what's the output of: df -h -t ext4 look like?
[13:10] <bampersand> it's only an 8gb sd card
[13:11] <[SLB]> that's plenty of space, maybe your partition is still sized down to 2gb?
[13:11] <bampersand> yes it seems that way
[13:11] <bampersand> . /dev/root 1.8G 1.7G 0 100% /
[13:11] <bampersand> how can I size it up?
[13:11] <[SLB]> you can run sudo raspi-config, that's how i did for mine
[13:11] <[SLB]> there's a menu item to resize it
[13:12] <bampersand> okay i'll try that out, thanks.
[13:12] <[SLB]> yw
[13:12] <bampersand> that was easier than expected
[13:12] <[SLB]> eheh
[13:12] <[SLB]> have to reboot to apply the changes
[13:12] <bampersand> yeah I have
[13:13] <[SLB]> okies
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[13:13] <bampersand> yeah hopefully it will print now
[13:13] <[SLB]> :)
[13:13] <bampersand> I can print through the raspi but not over the network, well I couldn't before
[13:15] <bampersand> uh, i'm getting connection refused from ssh now
[13:15] <[SLB]> not sure about that, sorry
[13:15] <bampersand> i can ping it though
[13:15] <[SLB]> still from raspi-config you can double check for the ssh service
[13:15] <[SLB]> check also if it changed lan ip
[13:16] <[SLB]> ah nvm sorry, you can ping it so the ip is known
[13:16] <bampersand> yeah I made it static local ip
[13:16] <[SLB]> eheh
[13:16] <bampersand> I could ssh before now it says refused
[13:16] <bampersand> gah, refused
[13:16] <[SLB]> try to reenable it from raspi-config and reboot once again to check
[13:16] <bampersand> and the hdmi wasn't working the other day so I can't plug it into monitor
[13:17] <bampersand> i'll reboot again.
[13:17] <[SLB]> no wait
[13:17] <[SLB]> you can't see the screen now?
[13:17] <bampersand> I couldn't yesterday
[13:17] <[SLB]> i guess it's still resizing the partition
[13:17] <[SLB]> takes few mins
[13:17] <bampersand> oh shit
[13:17] <bampersand> I rebooted
[13:17] <bampersand> is that going to be a problem
[13:17] <[SLB]> hopefully not, let's see
[13:18] <dc5ala> it's probably doing a filecheck after resizing
[13:18] <bampersand> gah stupid me, it won't ping now
[13:19] <bampersand> Yeah i'm getting distination host unreachable, damn.
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[13:19] <[SLB]> i'd check the sd on another pc
[13:19] <bampersand> and do what exactly?
[13:19] <bampersand> ah there we go, we've got a ping.
[13:19] <[SLB]> ah okies phew :)
[13:19] <yehnan> Hi, sometimes I touch rpi after unplugging, still I would get a shock. What are the possible causes? From HDMI, monitor?
[13:20] <bampersand> still getting connection refused, would it still try and resize because I booted in the middle?
[13:20] <joga> yehnan where do you touch it?
[13:20] <yehnan> joga: close to USB and RJ45
[13:20] <joga> (is the monitor plugged in at that time?)
[13:20] <[SLB]> not sure bampersand, i'd say yes, give it 5 mins or so maybe
[13:20] <bampersand> okay thanks [SLB]
[13:20] <yehnan> joga: yes, monitor is plugged.
[13:20] <[SLB]> yw
[13:21] <bampersand> hopefully this will fix the printer issues too (as the samba log was complaining about running out of memory)
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[13:21] <bampersand> if not then that will have to be fixed somehow too
[13:21] <bampersand> i'll just keep trying to ssh every few minutes
[13:22] <joga> yehnan I'm not hardware-savvy enough with the pi to answer that, with my elementary electronics knowledge I would suspect the monitor or some other peripheral, but I dunno
[13:22] <yehnan> joga: thanks.
[13:22] <bampersand> brilliant it was resized, thanks guys.
[13:23] <yehnan> joga: after unplugging power, only monitor is connected to power supply. So I thank the same way as you. So is this normal?
[13:24] <yehnan> joga: I mean "after unplugging rpi's power usb cable"
[13:24] <[SLB]> nice bampersand
[13:25] <joga> yehnan can't answer that, I've only had my pi for a couple of days, haven't gotten shocked yet myself :)
[13:26] <yehnan> joga: okay:P
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[13:37] <bampersand> this printer business is on the edge of making me insane
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> so much for the paperless office they were trying to sell us in the 80's ...
[13:40] <bampersand> heh, basically i've got the printer connected to the raspi and i'm wanting to access it from computers on the network (an xp, vista and 7 machine)
[13:40] <bampersand> i can print using lp on the pi and I can see it on windows network, just not print to it, samba is now complaining about invalid characters and whatnot, http://pastebin.com/a2y6CmRZ which i'm trying to fix.
[13:42] <bampersand> just restarting, if anyone has any ideas at all please message me when i'm back.
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[13:48] <saivert> I hope I didn't blow the UART on the RPi now. I use a USB to serial TTL adapter based on the PL2303 chip from Prolific. I measure 3.5 V between GND and TXD, but it also has a 5V VCC pin
[13:49] <saivert> I don't get any output via the serial port with this adapter though. It works fine with my Linksys WRT54G onboard serial pin header
[13:51] <MasterGeek> yer you will need a max232cpe
[13:52] <Holden> saivert, 3.5V is not enough to damage the RPi I'd say. Usually and input pin has a diode connected to VDD, that activates when you reach at least VDD+0.5V
[13:53] <saivert> so I will have to find some other cable then to use with the Pi. shame. I got two USB to TTL serial cables here
[13:53] <saivert> They have a bunch of them on eBay
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[13:54] <Holden> saivert, well, check the connection again and make sure the RPi is outputting to the UART. They should work...
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> how are you outputting to the uart?
[13:54] <saivert> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-UART-TTL-USB-Cable-module-PL2303HX-Converter-/280765101477?pt=US_Parallel_Serial_PS_2_Cables_Adapters&hash=item415ee775a5
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> you may have to turn off all the Linux stuff that uses it by default - /etc/inittab and /boot/cmdline.txt
[13:55] <saivert> gordonDrogon: I just connect it to my PC USB port, then the other end tot he pins as outlined here: http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[13:55] <saivert> On boot I should see kernel messages by default with Raspbian
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> that cable is probably designed for TTL serial - ie. 5v stuff like arduinos, etc.
[13:55] <saivert> it is set up in cmdline.txt
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> however Tx ought to be fine, but Rx (into the Pi) has a chance of overdriving the pin.
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> but if you say it's only 3.5v then you'll probably get away with it.
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> youre running minicom on the PC I presume (or some other terminal program, I guess?)
[13:57] <saivert> too bad this isn't the type of cable with a reference voltage pin, so you can select between 5V and 3.3V
[13:57] <saivert> then I could just hook the ref. volt pin to 3.3V pin on the P1
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> you should be able to proof of concept with just the Pi's Tx pin and ground ...
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[14:04] <saivert> no go
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[14:04] <saivert> cat or tail -f on /dev/ttyAMA0 should have shown something right?
[14:04] <saivert> if it was working
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[14:05] <gordonDrogon> you can't tail it normally.
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> I'd start by making sure output works first - ie. just connect up tx. from the Pi into the device, then running a terminal program on the PC and seeing if you get the boot messages.
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> you ought to also be able to do stuff like echo "Hello, World" > /dev/ttyAMA0 too
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> might need sudo though.
[14:06] <gordonDrogon> once you get that far, then you can look at data into the Pi.
[14:07] <saivert> oh that direction. I thought PC -> pi
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> by default a login is running on the /dev/ttyAMA0 line anyway - if you have a terminal program on the PC, then it ought to print/prompt for a login...
[14:07] <Dyskette> Really wish there was some way to easily playlist omxplayer
[14:07] <saivert> DOH! Tx -> Rx and Rx <- Tx
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> Yea, you normally swap Tx & Rx over when connecting 2 PCs :)
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[14:08] <saivert> but do I do that with this cable? hmm...
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> Dyskette, one of these days I'll check omxplayer - is it just a command-line media player?
[14:08] <Dyskette> gordonDrogon: yeah, that uses the rpi GPU
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> saivert, the cable has sockets to plug into the Pi - jus swap the pins..
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> saivert, so connect black into 0v and connect white to the Pi's Tx pin.
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> saivert, do not connect the red cable..
[14:09] <saivert> 0v? or the GND pin next to Tx on the P1 header
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> saivert, 0c = Ground.
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> 0v
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> see: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/pins/ but yes, 0v = Ground = the pin next to the Pi's TxD pin.
[14:11] <saivert> working fine now
[14:11] <saivert> me just forgetting to cross-over
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> a-ha - so you see the Pi's output on the PC?
[14:11] <saivert> yes
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> excellent!
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[14:12] <saivert> only with Tx from Pi side hooked up and GND
[14:12] <saivert> so I can't send data to it yet
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> now - the dodgy part - if you're sure the voltage on the green cable isn't more than 3.5v then hook it up, but if it's more then ...
[14:12] <saivert> DOOM!
[14:12] <saivert> I will measure first
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> you might need a pair of resistors to act as a little voltage dropper.
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> Ideally use one of these: http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/logic-level-converter-p-511.html
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[14:13] <saivert> between TP2 and the green wire on the USB adapter I measure 3.5V
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> that's the sparkfun device - can be bought anywhere.
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> well, it's up to you ... you may be OK, but I can't guarantee it..
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[14:15] <saivert> I just did it. I logged in via serial now
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> hurrah :)
[14:15] <saivert> seems to behave ok. ran top
[14:15] <saivert> now I just need to download fixterm.c program so I can resize the terminal
[14:15] <saivert> I hate 80x25
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> your probably exceeding the specs and will reduce the life of the chip from 35 years to 25 or something like that...
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> what terminal on the PC?
[14:15] <saivert> putty
[14:16] <saivert> http://cafbit.com/resource/fixterm.c
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> Hm. thought it supported more than that. can't you just resize it?
[14:16] <saivert> if you download fixterm.c to the Pi and compile it you can resize serial terminals
[14:16] <saivert> no auto-resize on serial terminals, only SSH supports that
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> oh right - assuming they support the ansi codes
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> you ought to be able to resize them before login or running an app.
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> are you just wanting remote login to it without ssh, or going to be transfering data?
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[14:18] <saivert> former
[14:18] <saivert> and in case I need to check stuff during boot
[14:19] <saivert> this isn't going to be hooked up 24/7
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> was just curious.
[14:20] <saivert> I even have serial console on my Intel Core 2 Duo Linux server. in case eth0 goes down ;)
[14:20] <saivert> a Netgear wireless router with USB port is nice for a remote serial gateway
[14:21] <saivert> I'm running ser2net daemon on the netgear router
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[14:22] <saivert> http://i.imgur.com/ZcozW.png
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[14:26] <saivert> but I do like this USB hub I got. it has a port dedicated for charging (marked iPad 2, ...) so this goes to the RPi. so the hub powers itself and pi and is also connected to the RPi. that saves one power adapter
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[14:27] <saivert> the power adapter is rated 2A so that should be enough
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[14:29] <dc5ala> saivert, you read it from the wrong side, it means "da Pi"!
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[14:30] <saivert> haha
[14:30] <dc5ala> actually 2 da pi, like it was created for that purpose :p
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[14:35] <saivert> the sun is shining in through my window and directly on the pi. so beautiful, even it means the Pi gets really hot. but it is also kinda hot!
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[14:47] <saivert> http://i.imgur.com/8WfyS.jpg
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[15:24] <gordonDrogon> been away for a bit. I use serial console on all my remote hosted servers. I get lilo to output via the serial too, so I can control the boot sequence and use server motherboards that supprot serial bios - sadly they're few & far between now.
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[15:28] <saivert> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=12097
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[15:30] <gordonDrogon> watching Assange live...
[15:30] <Draylor> heh, why?
[15:31] <Draylor> sooner or later he'll get what he deserves from the americans
[15:31] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: most HP, IBM and Dell servers still support console redirection over a serial port
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, I know and I've a few Dells.
[15:32] <gordonDrogon> most of my clients are cheapskates though - or maybe I'm just too accommodating for them...
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[15:33] <thrawed> Draylor: What he deserves?!
[15:33] <trevorman> use ESXi? :)
[15:33] <thrawed> Draylor: And what exactly do you believe he deserves?
[15:33] <saivert> trevorman: is that part of their IPMI support?
[15:34] * trevorman goes to find the absestos underwear for the incoming flamefest.
[15:34] <gordonDrogon> oddly enough the only servers that have suffered terminal hardware failures have been Dell!
[15:34] <trevorman> saivert: its just a built in feature of the BIOS they have. don't believe its part of IPMI or the BMC
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[15:34] <trevorman> the HPs I've got do let you access the BMC over the serial port if you don't have an ILO fitted tho
[15:35] <saivert> I would have bought an IPMI PCI card for my server if they were cheaper.
[15:35] <InControl> Dell, spit, choke, spit!
[15:35] <trevorman> the interface is awful and really really weird
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> yea, did I mention I have cheapskate clients? :)
[15:35] <InControl> Dell AKA Fisherprice
[15:35] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: esxi :)
[15:35] <saivert> Supermicro has nice IPMI built-in
[15:35] <thrawed> the optiplex's were nice
[15:35] <saivert> remote console which even works for graphical OS
[15:35] <InControl> I gave up on Dell years ago
[15:36] <saivert> and you can redirect your local optical drive over network for remote OS installs
[15:36] <thrawed> a 2nd hand old dell optiplex makes for a nice and cheap homemade router/server
[15:36] <trevorman> eh dell are okay if thats your budget
[15:36] <InControl> if you don't mind sub standard kit made from plastic
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> hostings a mugs game these days. I'm slowly trying to get rid of most of mine.
[15:36] <trevorman> you talking about desktops?
[15:37] <saivert> I thought we were talking servers
[15:37] <trevorman> the poweredges are pretty much metal and more metal...
[15:37] <ReggieUK> or proprietary connections/fans/motherboards/bios with ridiculous features
[15:37] <trevorman> ReggieUK: don't buy prebuilt rackmount servers if you dont' want that :P
[15:37] <ReggieUK> I didn't :)
[15:37] <InControl> ReggieUK: to be fair with servers you get proprietory kit anyway
[15:37] <ReggieUK> I got given a dual xeon box
[15:38] <netman87> heh i get tomorrow my new pc
[15:38] <InControl> The HP Proliant's that I use for example, are very proprietory
[15:38] <netman87> IBM intellistation z pro 9228
[15:38] <ReggieUK> it's got an 8x pci-e slot that only supports x4
[15:38] <trevorman> ReggieUK: thats not unusual for desktops
[15:38] <ReggieUK> and no other pci-e slots
[15:38] <netman87> waiting for 2xe5310 xeon and gonna order soon 16GB of ram
[15:39] <trevorman> its still nicer than how it works in the desktop world where you have a 1x or 4x slot that has one end cut open so your card edge just dangles
[15:39] <ReggieUK> crippled bios
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[15:39] <trevorman> crippled bios? in what way
[15:39] <ReggieUK> stuff missing
[15:39] <trevorman> like...
[15:39] <ReggieUK> so you can do very little with it
[15:39] <ReggieUK> off the top of my head I can't remember :)
[15:39] <InControl> Yes Dell desktop Bios is severly limited, treats the user like a child
[15:40] <ReggieUK> this is a server box
[15:40] <ReggieUK> and it's noisy as hell
[15:40] <trevorman> there really aren't too many settings you want to tweak in a server bios though. HPET, password, bootorder is pretty much it
[15:40] <ReggieUK> although that is most certainly expected on a server box
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[15:41] <ReggieUK> oh sure, it was a freebie, it came with 2x1TB drives in it, I just didn't expect the rest of the hardware to be as restricted as it was
[15:41] <ReggieUK> not quite the bargain I thought it was
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[15:42] <trevorman> still not seeing whats actually unusual though. that is completely normal for a server
[15:42] <ReggieUK> indeed, I hadn't experienced one before
[15:42] <ReggieUK> that was the unusual part
[15:42] <trevorman> stability, sticking rigidly to the specs and charging you a fortune for parts is all part of a buying a server box
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[15:43] <InControl> Buying Dell is like being an AOL customer
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[15:43] <trevorman> InControl: you talking about servers or desktops? :P
[15:43] <InControl> trevorman: all
[15:43] <IT_Sean> lol
[15:43] <trevorman> I don't see anything wrong with a dell server box if thats all your budget will stretch to
[15:44] <InControl> I don't see anything wrong with buying a Hyundi if that is all your budget will stretch to
[15:44] <ReggieUK> hahahahaha
[15:45] * IT_Sean sees a lot wrong with buying a hyundi
[15:45] <trevorman> not everybody can afford an IBM box and a IBM Global Services maintenance contract :P
[15:45] <ReggieUK> you just have to be aware of the caveats of both before you part company with your money
[15:45] * IT_Sean drives a BMW, however, so, might be a bit biased
[15:45] <saivert> at my work we primarily use Supermicro servers
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[15:46] <Gabtendo> classes start tomorrow
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[15:46] <Gabtendo> aaaahhhaaaa
[15:46] * InControl drives a space ship
[15:46] * IT_Sean points and Gabtendo and laughs
[15:46] <saivert> but we have dedicated server technicians who support them. but can easily get external support is needed.
[15:46] <saivert> *if
[15:47] <trevorman> we primarily use IBM gear and just scream at them on the phone if anything goes wrong. engineer onsite within 4 hours 24x7
[15:48] <IT_Sean> Nice.
[15:49] <InControl> The whole server hardware scene is a bit of a scam really
[15:49] <saivert> just buy a bunch of Raspberry Pis. cluster time!
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[15:50] <IT_Sean> Raspi's have poor clustering efficiency
[15:50] <thrawed> saivert: way overpriced
[15:51] <joga> do you have some suggestions for a portable display for a raspberry?
[15:51] <thrawed> joga: what do you want to display?
[15:51] <thrawed> like a 3 line led?
[15:52] <saivert> http://www.adafruit.com/products/913
[15:52] <joga> thrawed not sure yet really but basically something that can be connected with hdmi or composite
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[15:52] <joga> or something other practical, maybe a touchscreen or some mini oled display maybe
[15:52] <saivert> then my link should come in handy
[15:53] <InControl> you can use an PSOne screen via composite
[15:53] <joga> saivert, yeah, something like that
[15:53] <saivert> Anything based on a line display LCD/VFD would have to be hooked up via the GPIO pins
[15:53] <saivert> and driven by custom software
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[15:54] <joga> the lcds I have are 2x16 so it would be a bit tedious, and unfortunately I've broken a 128x128 oled I had :(
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[15:54] <saivert> eventually a display for the DSI port will come out
[15:54] <saivert> I don't expect them to be available soon
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[15:56] <saivert> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2476
[15:57] <joga> this looks cute http://www.adafruit.com/products/946
[15:57] <InControl> each device connected to DSI requires a modification to the GPU binary blob
[15:57] <InControl> Not something anyone other than the Raspberry Pi core team can do
[15:58] <saivert> too bad. I thought DSI could be interfaced from Linux like one would do with a line display LCD
[15:58] <saivert> It is not like I need to have the framebuffer up on the display.
[15:59] <saivert> I assume the GPU sends video output via DSI instead of HDMI or composite in this case. Not what I was thinking of.
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[16:05] <clever> InControl: i was wondering if the core pi team could make some flexible gpu code, that would accept a range of parameters
[16:05] <clever> InControl: so it could be configured for similar lcd displays
[16:06] <clever> InControl: ive got data sheets on normal laptop lcd panels id like to try out, for example
[16:06] <InControl> The Pi team have said they will only make the gpu code for their LVDS driver board
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[16:07] <clever> the panel i have needs 3 data lanes, 1 clock lane, and 68.9mhz dot clock, the rest can probly be be done easily in software
[16:07] <clever> hmmm, *looks*
[16:08] <clever> hmmm, i think hsync and vsync are within the data lanes, and this pdf isnt clear on the exact bit patern
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[16:12] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[16:12] <marcusw> IT_Sean: this is pretty normal on freenode, lol
[16:12] <IT_Sean> I know
[16:12] * IT_Sean sighs
[16:13] <marcusw> it drove my LUG crazy enough to move to OFTC
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[16:18] <clever> InControl: i'll have to see if i can find my lcd panels....
[16:19] <clever> InControl: the only other solution i can see, is a small fpga on the DSI connector, that adjusts the pixel format
[16:19] <clever> then the pi only needs to know the x/y size
[16:19] <clever> and if the fpga board is open, anybody can write an adapter logic
[16:20] <clever> InControl: such an adapter would probly only insert a 1 pixel delay in the logic
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[16:29] <Amadiro> marcusw, this is the only channel I've ever seen that has it
[16:30] <Amadiro> (and I'm on 34 channels on freenode)
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[16:40] <Martin`> hmm I was gone
[16:40] <Martin`> :P
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[16:44] <gordonDrogon> right. can I write a pong game in basic in the next couple of hours....
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> how hard can it be...
[16:44] <hotwings> famous last words
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> task 1. modify basic to read the NES controller...
[16:44] <Martin`> how do I reload network settings when I've changed the /etc/network/interfaces file on raspbian?
[16:45] <darksatanic> ifdown <interface>; ifup <interface>
[16:45] <darksatanic> It's a bit hairy if that's your only means of connection to the machine.
[16:46] <Martin`> ok, it said /etc/init.d/networking does not work and I lost my ipv4 adres when I did that
[16:46] <Martin`> at the moment it is :P
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[16:47] * Martin` types dhclient eth0 and waits till he is at home
[16:47] <Martin`> :P
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[16:53] <hotwings> live on the edge!
[16:54] <hotwings> theres nothing real to lose
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[17:05] <joga> oh ffs...apparently now that I used a hdmi>dvi cable to connect the pi, my monitor is stupid and went into permanent dvi power save mode so I can't use it with my big computer now :D
[17:05] <joga> (viewsonic vx2025wm)
[17:05] <Tobias|> Turned it off and on again? (at the powerpoint?) :P
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[17:07] <joga> yeah, and while unplugged pressed the power button some times and let it stand there for 15min or so
[17:07] <joga> google shows similar experiences and a fix but didn't get there yet
[17:08] <Tobias|> :[
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> It took me some week to discover that I could switch between VGA and DVI with a single button push on my monitor.
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[17:08] <gordonDrogon> I always went through the on-screen menus...
[17:08] <joga> in this case buttons don't help :(
[17:09] <lempiainen> seems like a great piece of machinery
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[17:09] <joga> heh yeah I use salvaged hw, this was my brother's old display
[17:11] <lempiainen> I got a great Benq monitor from my uncle
[17:11] <lempiainen> too bad the backlight failed
[17:12] <lempiainen> it was like a 800$ monitor
[17:12] <lempiainen> then it broke down after a few weeks
[17:13] <lempiainen> broke and broke
[17:13] <lempiainen> the backlight had had few issues now and then before he got a .new monitor
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[17:16] <joga> I'm using a 4:3 1280x1024 for now then :(
[17:16] <lempiainen> yayy 4:3
[17:16] <lempiainen> I should buy a decent 16:10
[17:16] <trevorman> joga: unplug it from power and then try again on your PC
[17:17] <joga> trevorman I did that already
[17:17] <trevorman> joga: if HDCP gets confused from your hotplugging then it can do weird stuff like this
[17:17] <trevorman> rebooted the PC as well?
[17:17] <joga> trevorman yeah, I shut both down and started it again, only tried it once though
[17:18] <joga> I found this http://highdrawer.wordpress.com/2006/08/20/dvi-recovery-for-viewsonic-vx2025wm/
[17:18] <trevorman> oh ew
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[17:20] <joga> might just be that next time I try it, it'll just work
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[17:20] <joga> but meh, all the same, I just wanted to watch some youtubes so it's fine with this for now too ;)
[17:22] <joga> haha, judging by the forums it's a total POS
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> I want a new monitor but I cant afford/justify one that's as heigh as the one I have right now. Would need a 24" widescreen or something.
[17:22] <joga> not surprising, the color temperatures seem very awkward, there's a brownish hue on everything
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[17:27] <thrawed> what's wrong with brown?
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[17:28] <lrvick> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004JF4NOQ free on amazon today only. just fyi guys
[17:28] <lrvick> </end random spam>
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[17:29] <mikma> is there any way of knowing what memory split is raspbmc using?
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[17:32] <kvarley> mikma: Maybe opening the start.elf in a hex editor. That or you could compare the hashes of the start.elf with the ones from the foundation and see what matches. I imagine it's documented somewhere tho, do they have a wiki?
[17:32] <jui-feng> mikma, on my raspberry pi I just do "md5sum *.elf" in /boot. should work on raspbmc :)
[17:32] <jui-feng> oh, sorry kvarley
[17:33] <jui-feng> that md5sum *.elf will only work if you have all the armxxx_start.elf files in /boot
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[17:34] <kvarley> jui-feng: Np, you gave an example. :) Although, won't you need all files to be called the same thing otherwise the hash will be different? Or does hashing only do the file itself and not the file headers?
[17:34] <jui-feng> yes, hashing is only for file contents
[17:34] <sraue> mikma, raspbmc uses like every XBMC distro the 128/128M memory split, otherwise XBMC will not work, because 128MB must be shared for the GPU to do the decoding of the video stuff
[17:35] <mikma> mmkay, then i need to run this rpi-update again cause it put 240MB/16MB split on :D
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[17:37] <saivert> just replace start.elf with arm128_start.elf
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[17:40] <clever> InControl: $9 is what i see
[17:40] <InControl> $9 ???
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[17:40] <clever> InControl: yeah, $9.99 is what the book costs
[17:41] <InControl> I think you mean lrvick
[17:41] <clever> damn tab complete
[17:41] <clever> ah, it didnt complete right because he isnt online!
[17:41] <clever> ah no, thats an l
[17:41] <clever> damn fonts
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[17:43] <trevorman> doesn't come up free for me either but I'm not in the US
[17:43] <clever> canada
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[17:47] <mikma> oh neat
[17:47] <mikma> raspbmc automatically resizes th partition to max
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[18:03] <pyr0commie> it's quiet in here
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[18:03] <pyr0commie> what's everyone using their pi for?
[18:03] <Martin`> To turn on/off my room lights
[18:03] <Martin`> :P
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[18:08] <mikma> car multimedia eith raspbmc
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[18:09] <clever> pyr0commie: right now, it detects the ps3 turning on via cec
[18:09] <clever> pyr0commie: then it uses lirc_rpi to ir blast a power cord to my sound system
[18:09] <clever> so one button now turns everything on
[18:10] <clever> code*
[18:10] <Martin`> nice! I want to turn of my lights when I turn on the tv! :D
[18:10] * InControl to keep my door open
[18:10] <pyr0commie> clever: that's cool :)
[18:11] <clever> Martin`: that can probly also be done via cec or maybe lirc_rpi
[18:11] <mikma> also, shaving my armpits at summers
[18:11] <clever> Martin`: id start with cec-client -m and then turn the tv on, see if anything semi-unique comes up
[18:12] <Martin`> where can I get cec-client?
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[18:13] <clever> Martin`: its part of libcec, i had to compile it in the pi
[18:13] <Martin`> ok
[18:13] <pyr0commie> I'm using mine as a server so I can transfer large files from work to home
[18:13] <clever> the package in apt was too old for the pi
[18:13] <Martin`> hmm I was just typing to install that
[18:13] <InControl> I would quite like to build a domesday system emulator
[18:14] <InControl> for the 1986 domesday project
[18:15] <Martin`> my plan is to log room temperatures (make graphs) and switch lights or other things
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[18:15] <clever> Martin`: ive already got an avr hooked to a bank of ds18b20's (one-wire temp sensors)
[18:15] <clever> Martin`: it spews the data over serial, and then a linux desktop graphs it in cacti
[18:16] <clever> if you count all the hardware, yes its a waste of money :P
[18:16] <clever> but the desktop is doing other things aswell
[18:16] <clever> a pi may work just as well if you dont have a spare desktop on 24/7
[18:16] <Martin`> ok :)
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[18:18] <Martin`> I believe I have some ds18b20 at home
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[18:18] <Martin`> currently connected them all to a arduino to test it :P
[18:19] <saivert> I remember when people used their WRT54Gs for these kinda projects
[18:19] <Martin`> :)
[18:20] <saivert> too bad I don't know how to solder on a MMC card to my WRT54G for added storage yet. I seem to have some revision of the board not many people have played with yet. the v3.3 one
[18:20] <saivert> err. v3.1
[18:21] <clever> Martin`: ive seen mention of doing one-wire directly on the pi
[18:22] <InControl> yes 1-wire has been done on the pi
[18:22] <Martin`> I'm not sure if I can do that
[18:22] <Martin`> Not sure if I need more pins than the pi has
[18:22] <clever> Martin`: all sensors go on the same pin
[18:22] <Martin`> I know
[18:22] <clever> one pin to cover every temp sensor
[18:22] <clever> Martin`: you could repurpose the config resistors also, if you wanted to mod the board
[18:23] <clever> that gets you another 4 gpio
[18:23] <Martin`> but I also need to connect a humanity sensor, a 433mhz sender and reciever,
[18:23] <InControl> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=6649
[18:23] <clever> Martin`: ah, might be better off putting all the sensors on the arduino and then just hooking serial rx/tx
[18:24] <Martin`> I was also thinking about that
[18:24] <clever> if you run the arduino off the 3.3v rail, the uart will work perfectly
[18:24] <InControl> humanity sensor lol
[18:24] <Martin`> lol
[18:24] <clever> Martin`: one sec
[18:24] <Martin`> my english is bad sometimes, but I know what I said
[18:25] <InControl> this is a new type of sensor fitted to the deflector grid on the star ship enterprise I guess ;)
[18:25] <clever> Martin`: http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection#Dedicated_control_of_serial_port
[18:25] <clever> Martin`: you may need to follow this, or the boot logs (dmesg) will get dumped to the arduino and confuse it
[18:25] <Martin`> damn how is it called?
[18:25] <Martin`> that kind of sensor
[18:25] <Martin`> :P
[18:25] <InControl> humidity
[18:25] <Martin`> thats what I ment!
[18:25] <Martin`> :P
[18:25] <clever> oh, ive got automatic spellcheck in my head!
[18:26] <clever> didnt even see that :P
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[18:26] <Martin`> I also want to add a light sensor
[18:26] <Martin`> because I did a wrong order
[18:26] <npm> anybody seeing omxplayer die after playing for ~1/2hr, with error "ERROR: COMXCoreComponent::DecoderEventHandler OMX.broadcom.audio_mixer - OMX_E" (see https://nielsmayer.jelastic.servint.net/bin/view/Raspberry+Pi/GPU+Accelerated+Video?viewer=comments#xwikicomment_3 for details)
[18:26] <Martin`> I wanted to order 5, but I did not see that there were 10 in a bag, so now I have 50 sensors
[18:27] <clever> Martin`: my dad has done the same thing work his job
[18:27] <clever> with*
[18:27] <InControl> oops\
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[18:28] <saivert> npm: you made your own omxplayer?
[18:28] <saivert> I see different builds of this "omxplayer" app on the net
[18:28] <saivert> is it based on some broadcom sample code?
[18:28] <Martin`> I quess i can just connect the rx/tx pins on arduino directly to the rx/tx on the pi?
[18:30] <clever> Martin`: yep, once you disable everything thats using the serial port
[18:30] <Martin`> ok
[18:30] <Martin`> arduino does not need the console of raspbian :P
[18:30] <clever> exactly
[18:30] <clever> the wiki link i gave above explains what ive found works
[18:30] <MasterGeek> you could use a micro controller over its I2C bus, a PIC18F27J13, which has (among other things) multi-channel PWM, multi-channel ADC, plenty of digital I/O pins, and I2C, and costs about the same as a dedicated I2C port-expander chip that lacks the other goodies
[18:31] <clever> that also works
[18:31] <MasterGeek> ;)
[18:31] <clever> avr i think has i2c
[18:31] <clever> and the i2c pins arent used by default, so less trouble there
[18:31] <clever> but serial is just easyer to access from userspace
[18:31] <clever> echo "scan" > /dev/ttyAMA0
[18:31] <Martin`> how about powering the arduino via the pi? do you think the 5v pin can be used for that? :P
[18:32] <clever> Martin`: that would make the serial 5v and over-cook the pi
[18:32] <clever> Martin`: you can probly run it directly off the 3.3v pin
[18:32] <Martin`> hmm does arduino just needs 3.3v?
[18:32] <clever> the avr in the arduino can run down to 2-ish volts
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[18:33] <Martin`> hmm arduino has a pin for 5v input?
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[18:34] <clever> Martin`: one of the pins on the header should be power 'out', just connect 3.3v to that and then measure the serial output voltage to verify it all works
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[18:37] <Martin`> but the VIN pin on arduino is for power input.
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[18:37] <clever> Martin`: just feed 3.3v right into that and see what happens
[18:38] <Martin`> ok
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> BBC dinner again :)
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> back to the basic..
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> Arduinos can be powered fine from the Pi - via the USB cable.
[18:40] <gordonDrogon> I've done that several times.
[18:40] <clever> gordonDrogon: but would the Arduinos then be using 5v ttl serial?
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> The Gertboard has an ATmega chip on it and that's powere from the Pi too - although at 3.3v from a regulator on the Gertboard.
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> clever, if you use the USB cable, then it's using 5v as "normal".
[18:41] <clever> yeah, so you cant connect rx/tx directly to the pi
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> lever shifter.
[18:41] <clever> or just power the arduino from 3.3v directly and not bother
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> If you want to power an arduino at 3.3v it's possible, but then most of the shields will stop working.
[18:42] <clever> like the gertboard
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[18:42] <gordonDrogon> and you might find it doesn't work as 16MHz is outside the spec. for 3.3v.
[18:42] <clever> he's only using it to access a few sensors
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> The ATmega on the Gertboard runs at 12MHz.
[18:42] <clever> yeah wasnt sure on the freq, but it usualy still works
[18:42] <clever> and it doesnt hurt to try
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> BUT.... IF you use the USB lead, then you get USB serial "for free"...
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> so you might as well do it that way and forget any hassle.
[18:43] <clever> gordonDrogon: it costs you a usb port :P
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> is that a problem?
[18:43] <clever> depends on how many ports you need
[18:43] <clever> and in my case, i dont have any arduino's, just bare AVR's
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> probably less hassle than wiring it up via the gpio
[18:43] <clever> why waste an ftdi chip when i can hard-wire it to the onboard uart?
[18:44] <DataStream> Hi All, does anyone know if someone has made a c++ #include file for the GPIO's?
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> ok. well in that case... Take 5V from the Pi, use a 3.3v regulator and power the ATmega and drive it from a 12MHz ceramic osc.
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> DataStream, yes, I have.
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> DataStream, ah, I have made a library, but maybe you're after direct port definitions?
[18:44] <clever> gordonDrogon: gpio header has 3.3v out, and it seems to work just fine for the 1 device i'm running so far
[18:44] <Martin`> but when I power the arduino via usb, the power on the rx/tx is to high for pi?
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[18:45] <gordonDrogon> clever, sure - but in theory there's a limit tothe mA avalable on it - it's shared with the rest of the system.
[18:45] <clever> yeah
[18:45] <clever> i dont remember how much spare mA it has
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> Martin`, if you use usb, then you get a usb serial interface.
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> clever, I've personally sucked 170mA out of it, but I did read somewhere that 50 was supposedly the limit ...
[18:46] <clever> gordonDrogon: ah here, this wiki page says 50mA
[18:46] <DataStream> gordonDrogon: well i have just started learning c++ but most of the stuff i have come across for the GPIO access is in python, but don't want to start playing with that, so wanted something in c++. just basic stuff really
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> Martin`, with a uno you get /dev/ttyACM0, with an older one you get /dev/ttyUSB0.
[18:46] <DataStream> gordonDrogon: is the file online for download somewhere?
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> DataStream, start here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/
[18:46] <clever> DataStream: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#Code_examples
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> get the code here: https://git.drogon.net/?p=wiringPi;a=summary
[18:47] <DataStream> Great thanks
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[18:47] <Martin`> gordonDrogon: but I wasnt plan to use the usb port for that :P
[18:48] <Martin`> I was thinking when I connect my computer to upload a new software image, the power is to high :(
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> Martin`, ok... but if you use the usb to power an arduino, you might as well use it for comms...
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> Martin`, connect your compuer to what - pi to Arduino? desktop to Pi, desktop to Arduino?
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> anything connected via USB will be "right".
[18:49] <Martin`> connect computer to arduino for programming
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> Martin`, you can use the Arduino IDE directly on a Pi. It "just works".
[18:50] <Martin`> ok, but I'm not running pi in graphical mode
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> esepcially if you're using a usb cable - it "just works". It's identical to any other Linux box on the planet with USB.
[18:50] <Martin`> :)
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> in which case, you need to drive the avr C compiler manually and use acrdude to upload.
[18:50] <Martin`> ok :)
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[18:51] <gordonDrogon> that's how I program ATmegas all the time.
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> however I have my own Arduino "wiring" library - I don't use theirs.
[18:51] <npm> saivert i used raspbian's omxplayer and latest raspbian upgrade
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> but I'm told there is a packae that will let you use theirs and compile/link it all in.
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> however avrdude is the key part - it's a command-line program that you use to upload a .hex file into an ATmega. The Arduino IDE calls it.
[18:54] <Martin`> I also quess I need to connect the 433mhz zender/reciever to arduino, or is it also simple to let it work directly to pi?
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[19:04] <gordonDrogon> Martin`, I must have missed that earlier - is this xbee thing?
[19:05] <Martin`> no, it needs to talk to a wireless lightswitch
[19:06] <gordonDrogon> ok. I've no idea what the kit is though, but if it talks to a linux host, I'd connect it directly to the Pi if possible...
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[19:07] <clever> Martin`: that reminds me, the ds18b20's here are going thru the avr, and control some solid state relays
[19:07] <clever> which are wired to the furnace
[19:08] <Martin`> the switch just picks up the signal at 433mhz, and then it switches :)
[19:08] <Martin`> of the signal is for the switch
[19:08] <Martin`> home easy like
[19:09] <clever> a pi based thermostat would be neat, then you can claim you run linux on the thermostat!
[19:09] <Martin`> I can switch the lights with arduino at the moment, but I'm not able to recieve all signals, like from the wall outlet
[19:09] <Martin`> wall outlet I mean wall switch
[19:09] <Martin`> :P
[19:10] <clever> Martin`: you may also want to look at lirc_rpi
[19:10] <clever> so you can use normal tv remotes to switch lights on/off
[19:10] <Dyskette> So, I installed dosbox and the keyboard was all weird. I'm pretty sure I've located and fixed that problem (a setting in the config file) but my local terminal seems to have crashed.
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[19:10] <Dyskette> I can still use ssh just fine, and omxplayer works.
[19:10] <clever> Dyskette: hit ctrl+c and enter a few times, then run 'reset' blindly
[19:10] <Dyskette> But the keyboard is dead (numlock is stuck on) and the screen is a freezeframe of dosbox crashing
[19:11] <Martin`> clever: ok, can I also switch tv's with that?
[19:11] <Martin`> :P
[19:11] <clever> Dyskette: ah, id just reboot then
[19:11] <Martin`> or is it just one way?
[19:11] <clever> Martin`: yeah, it can send and recieve any ir code
[19:11] <Martin`> ok
[19:11] <Martin`> nice
[19:11] <Dyskette> Is there a way to recover it without reboot?
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[19:11] <trevorman> Dyskette: easiest way is to reboot
[19:11] <Martin`> I've the hardware for doing that at home :P
[19:12] <Dyskette> Aye, but I'm not necessarily looking for the easiest way :)
[19:12] <clever> Martin`: i powered the ir reciever directly from 3.3v on the gpio, and its feeding directly into the gpio header
[19:12] <clever> Martin`: tx is a bit more complex
[19:12] <Martin`> but first I need the 433mhz sender/reviecer woring :P
[19:12] <clever> Martin`: gpio -> resistor->transistor
[19:12] <Martin`> ok
[19:12] <eval-> does anyone know of a Web GUI that would simplify the bridging/dnsmasq/etc involved in setting up an AP/3g-key/DSL router over debian? (a la open/dd wrt et al)
[19:12] <trevorman> Dyskette: you can try using tvservice to reset it but if SDL has left the console in a weird state then a reboot might be the only way of fixing it
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[19:12] <clever> Martin`: then the ir led is powered from the 5v rail, with a resistor setting it to 150mA (max rating)
[19:13] <clever> Martin`: just your basic transistor switch
[19:13] <Martin`> ok
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[19:13] <Martin`> I only find a air balloon with 433mhz sender :(
[19:15] <Dyskette> trevorman: I'm using composite, so tvservice isn't relevant to me if I understand correctly?
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[19:16] <Dyskette> Also, the keyboard seems as frozen as the screen. More so, in fact.
[19:16] <trevorman> reboot then
[19:16] <trevorman> :P
[19:16] <Dyskette> Eh, have a bunch of downloads going.
[19:16] <Dyskette> And the box is still working, mostly.
[19:17] <trevorman> you able to switch to another VTY?
[19:17] <Dyskette> Nope.
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[19:19] <clever> Dyskette: from ssh as root, echo r > /proc/sysrq-trigger
[19:19] <clever> Dyskette: then try alt+f2 or 3
[19:19] <Dyskette> Heh, omxplayer just chucks its video as on overlay over the crashed dosbox :P
[19:19] <clever> yeah, omxplayer does the same thing, over a working X session
[19:19] <clever> it just bypasses everything
[19:20] <Dyskette> clever: hrm, it did bring some life to the keyboard, in that it will now toggle numlock/capslock, but still nothing on the dispaly.
[19:21] <clever> Dyskette: that disables raw mode, which dosbox was probly using to hijack the keyboard
[19:21] <Dyskette> Still no joy on tring to switch to another tty
[19:21] <clever> Dyskette: maybe 'chvt 5' from ssh
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[19:21] <Dyskette> "Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console"
[19:22] <clever> as root?
[19:22] <Dyskette> No output.
[19:22] <Dyskette> I can use the keyboard now, I think.
[19:23] <Dyskette> Yup.
[19:23] <clever> Martin`: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/pi/pi_1.PNG
[19:23] <Dyskette> Still just a crashed dosbox on screen, though.
[19:23] <clever> this is the basic setup i'm using to get serial access (ftdi) and full IR (remotes)
[19:23] <Dyskette> (chvt 5 as root doesn't seem to terminate)
[19:24] <clever> Dyskette: something within the tty layer may be crashed then, dont know what dosbox does to get gui
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> that circuit diagram is technically wrong - the Pi isn't limited to 8mA, it's 16mA.
[19:24] <Martin`> clever: ok thanks :)
[19:24] <Dyskette> Yeah, chvt hangs switching to anything other than 1.
[19:24] <Dyskette> chvt 1 works fine.
[19:24] <clever> gordonDrogon: i read just recently that it defaults to 8mA, but can be configured up to 16
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> it's not exactly important though :)
[19:25] <Martin`> there are strange arduino projects, one that detects a fart then it switche the tv
[19:25] <clever> gordonDrogon: and with only 1.5mA on the transistor, i have no risk of cooking my pi
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> clever, most of us (myself included) mis-understood the way the Pi drives the pins.
[19:25] <clever> gordonDrogon: ?
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> the pins can supply 16mA (and more - I accidentally pulled over 30ma once)
[19:26] <clever> i'm running a 150mA ir led at full power
[19:26] <clever> that would toast the pins
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> the limit is a guarantee that the output voltage will meet the "logic 1" spec for a given load.
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> sure - you need the transistor here!
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> so you can increase the "power" avalable to the pins (or reduce it)
[19:27] <clever> increasing it to 150mA didnt actualy solve my problem either
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[19:27] <gordonDrogon> what that does it essentially parallel up output drivers. So if driving a low resistance or high capactange, you can increase the drive oomph.
[19:27] <clever> turns out i had to add min_repeat to the remote definition
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> the latest gpio command can adjust the drive...
[19:27] <clever> it may work fine at only 16mA
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> I did notice a small difference in brightness when driving 12 LEDs and changing the drive strength from 0 to 7 ...
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> if the LED needs 150mA then stick to the transistor switch!
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> and the 5V supply.
[19:29] <clever> i can probly get away with just 8mA directly off the gpio, but it works so why change it now
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> 27 ohm, 2 watts resistor...
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> if you want 150mA through that LED :)
[19:30] <clever> i suspect the transistor isnt going to allow the full 150mA
[19:30] <clever> i'm not sure 1.5mA is enough to turn it on that far
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> not your average small signal tranny, probably no ...
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> there is that...
[19:31] <clever> it took 2 days just to find a transistor, the box is missing
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> gah. it's decades since I did a lot of these calculations too..
[19:31] <clever> all i could find was a loose one in a box
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> areyou using PWM to drive the LED?
[19:31] <clever> i believe the current flow thru the transistor is just 1.5mA * gain
[19:31] <clever> lirc_rpi, 40khz 50% duty cycle
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> Hm. no you can't be - it's not connected to the pwm output.
[19:32] <clever> effectively digital AM, its either off or its 40khz
[19:32] <clever> software carrier
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> yea, I read up on IR controls earlier. How are you guaranteeing the 40KHz signal?
[19:32] <clever> i think it was using udelay(), i just patched a fork of the linux tree
[19:33] <clever> *looks*
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> udelay() that's a new one on me...
[19:34] <clever> gordonDrogon: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/pull/38
[19:34] <clever> ah, usleep
[19:35] <Dyskette> clever: solved it!
[19:35] <clever> gordonDrogon: https://github.com/cleverca22/linux/blob/rpi-patches/drivers/staging/lirc/lirc_rpi.c#L158
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> eek :)
[19:35] <clever> gordonDrogon: the dmesg output claims 38khz, but i read 40khz on my scope
[19:36] <Dyskette> clever: your trick got me keyboard back, from there, just ran another sdl app, which regrabbed the screen, then quit, which dropped me neatly back to console :)
[19:36] <clever> and its close enough for the ir reciever to work
[19:36] <clever> Dyskette: nice :)
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> ah well - good luck with it :)
[19:36] <clever> gordonDrogon: the driver is based on lirc_serial, which does the exact same thing with the DTR pin on a real serial port
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[19:37] <clever> and ive got it fully working on my pi
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> maybe one day I'll get into this 'media' thing...
[19:38] <clever> gordonDrogon: about all its doing right now is turning the sound system on
[19:39] <clever> when cec see's the PS3
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[19:43] <nid0> gordonDrogon, you're a bit of a coffee aficionado right?
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> nid0, yes...
[19:52] <nid0> dyou have any opinion at all on tassimo machines and their pods?
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> very expensive way of getting coffee - convenient with little mess though.
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[19:53] <nid0> (considering i'm not much interested in blending my own, convenience of pods is nice, and tassimo having pods for hot chocolate definitely gives them a high WAF)
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> and I'm sure the coffee is nice - once you find a pod you like.
[19:55] <nid0> I just cant quite fathom why tassimo machines are so comparitively cheap, ??80-??130 for their entire range, compared to 5 times higher for say a nespresso machine that also just uses pods
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> they're not nestle :)
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[19:56] <gordonDrogon> Ah. tassimo is owned by Kraft.
[19:56] <nid0> true, I suppose kraft is just generally a cheaper brand
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> that explains the hot -chocolate - kraft owns cadburys :)
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> looks liek they own twinings and suchard too.
[19:58] <nid0> and milka :p
[19:59] <clever> *looks*
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> I wort of like the whole manual process - sort of like a ritual, I guess!
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> and it gives you time to think, not just push a button and away you go..
[20:00] <clever> where did i put that image....
[20:00] <nid0> indeed to each their own, im keen on the idea of just pushing a button and having a nice coffee/hot chocolate though :>
[20:01] <clever> gordonDrogon: http://i.imgur.com/k0pv0.jpg
[20:02] <nid0> thats quite horrific
[20:02] <clever> yeah
[20:02] <clever> all the connections you never noticed/knew about
[20:02] <eval-> is there a (web) GUI that would simplify setting up an AP (ie, to share your 3G or DSL) router over debian? (a la open/dd wrt et al)
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> clever, eek!
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> eval-, not that I know of... I've always done it manually.
[20:03] <clever> nid0: for example, who would have guessed that quaker is owned by pepsi!
[20:03] <clever> even lays!
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> have to say, I very rarely buy branded stuff . It's too easy to buy local good stuff where I live. and we never buy nestle.
[20:03] <eval-> gordonDrogon: thanks. guess I'll have to do the same, and just pray my parents never need to change anything ;)
[20:04] <clever> gordonDrogon: i live on pepsi and frozen pizzas (dellisio)
[20:04] <clever> eval-: you can always whip up a simple php or node.js website to change things
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> Gah. Nestle now owns the body shop! Who'd have thunk that.
[20:04] <clever> gordonDrogon: what the....
[20:05] <nid0> clever yeah there's some wierd ones on there, particularly some of the non-food brands for me - body shop & ralph lauren owned by nestle, lacoste owned by proctor & gamble
[20:05] <trevorman> pick a random food company. high chance of it being part of mars, pepsico, unilever or nestle
[20:05] <trevorman> those 4 pretty much own everything big
[20:05] <clever> and i happen to be making some kraft dinner right now
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[20:06] <eval-> clever: I have under ~50m free (and no perl/js/php anything installed) and 2 days... so we'll see.
[20:06] <hotwings> nothing wrong with brand name stuff, food or otherwise
[20:06] <clever> eval-: *looks*
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> well my food today was 100% non big brand...
[20:06] <clever> eval-: ~25mb for node.js
[20:07] <clever> eval-: it includes webserver and a full server side scripting lib
[20:07] <eval-> that's not bad
[20:07] <eval-> i already put on nginx cause the rest had too many deps
[20:07] <clever> i had to compile it from source, no package in apt
[20:07] <clever> actualy compiling it will take more space of course
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> local free range eggs & bacon & muchrooms... milk is local & delivered in bottles - bread was home made from an independant flour mill, meat was all from the local butchers, salad locally grown... hm.
[20:08] <clever> nfs or usb stick can solve that
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> glad I don't buy into all that big name stuff really.
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[20:09] <clever> eval-: node is basicaly just a javascript engine and some libs to let you do tcp/http/udp/anything from js
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> Heh... There's an issue - since moving my delayMicroseconds routine to use a polled hardware counter for < 100uS it's upset the NES joystick reading code - had to move it from 1uS to about 25 "real" uSecs...
[20:09] <eval-> clever: and can run scripts with full perms, iwconfig and all that? i'm surprised v8 is so small
[20:10] <clever> eval-: http://nodejs.org/api/http.html http server is built in
[20:10] <thrawed> sounda bit hipsterish
[20:10] <clever> eval-: http://nodejs.org/api/child_process.html as it spawning other apps
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, what me and my foody stuff?
[20:10] <clever> i'm using it to spawn irsend on my pi in response to certain events
[20:10] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: sure :P
[20:10] <clever> eval-: lirc = require('child_process').spawn('irsend',['SEND_ONCE','soundbar','DIGITAL1']);
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, sure - why not? I'm lucky that I live in a part of the counrty that local stuff is so accessible though.
[20:11] <thrawed> I hate where I live
[20:11] <thrawed> I'm within walking distance of a giant airport
[20:11] <thrawed> ssoooo much background noise
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, Riverford who more or less invented the organic veg. box 20 years ago is 3 miles away...
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[20:12] <eval-> clever: so they had it in sid 'nodejs' but old now and not in wheezy
[20:12] <clever> eval-: id just use node to modify a config file, then have make include that and SED replace keywords in the real config file
[20:13] <clever> eval-: for example, 'include config.txt' in a Makefile, then you can use the variables in normal sed statements
[20:13] <eval-> looks like it was all about ~10m back in sid
[20:14] <jui-feng> there were also quite a lot of arguments in debian between nodejs and node (some radio software aiui), as both of them wanted to call their package "node"
[20:14] <clever> eval-: http://pastebin.com/qvkResqB
[20:15] <clever> eval-: this sources some config from a much smaller file, then uses sed to take the template and built the real config
[20:15] <clever> eval-: can easily redo the entire hostapd config or anything else
[20:15] <annodomini> Anyone know where to look for a good connector to access the UART pins on the GPIO headers? For instance, there's the 2x6 pin connector in these instructions: http://codeandlife.com/2012/07/01/raspberry-pi-serial-console-with-max3232cpe/ , but I'm not sure where to find one to buy.
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[20:16] <eval-> clever: this all sounds enticing. I'm a bit sick of recompiles so i'll see if my dvb streams first, i was kinda hoping for something full featured with the nice *WRT style interface so my parents can easily see if their notebooks or friends connected, etc. (need to share dad's 3g key, and keep working when I'm gone)
[20:16] <clever> eval-: once the config files have been rebuilt, restart the relevant services
[20:16] <clever> dont do the same thing as normal routers and reboot for the smallest of change :P
[20:17] <eval-> hahaha yeah that pisses me off too =)
[20:17] <clever> i cant even turn ipv6 off on this crap
[20:17] <clever> its breaking the network
[20:18] <clever> id throw openwrt on the router, but the files are missing from the site
[20:18] <eval-> my dd-wrt still restarts way more services than necessary at the slightest changes
[20:19] <eval-> i'm just confused that all these groups have built these slick interfaces but that they're tied down to their firmwares
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> eval-, I did once write a sort of general purpose thing for a client - it did basic interface config, dhcp setup, firewalling, but I never bothered to develop it further as the client stopped paying )-: However it would be a lot of work to resurrect it and add in stuff like 3g backup, etc.
[20:23] <clever> my router runs LFS right now and i can manualy switch it to dialup as a backup
[20:23] <clever> i have ran ~8-10 computers off a single dialup link once, for a few hours :P
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[20:25] <jbwiv> guys, is the pi's nic gig or 100mb? mii-tool shows gig, but I don't trust that
[20:25] <thrawed> 100mbit
[20:25] <jbwiv> thrawed, ok. that explains a few things. thanks. is there any way to get a gig nic on it?
[20:25] <thrawed> no
[20:27] <clever> eval-: how do you solve needing 2 ethernet ports? (wan and lan)
[20:27] <thrawed> clever: usb dongle?
[20:27] <eval-> 3g stick + wan/hostapd
[20:27] <eval-> compiling wvdial was fun earlier.
[20:28] <clever> ah, so its not using a dsl modem on ethernet
[20:28] <eval-> no, maybe someday. but i have a dealextreme dongle or two anyhow
[20:29] <clever> so its just using 3g on one of the usb ports for wan side
[20:29] <eval-> right
[20:29] <clever> any bridging between ethernet and wifi?
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[20:30] <eval-> i haven't really gotten that far. upgrading the dockstar to 3.3.2 failed because fsck.ubifs doesn't exist, but i had to solder a rs323 to console pins to figure that out, just getting everything to fit (also hoping to stream dvb-t) on this dockstar's nand has been headache enough
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[20:31] <clever> eval-: ive yet to solder anything to my pi, and it has serial console and full ir control
[20:31] <eval-> ah, well these $20 dockstars are a fair bit old already
[20:32] <clever> ah, not using a pi?
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[20:32] <eval-> no, there were none available
[20:32] <clever> ahh
[20:32] <eval-> plus i picked up three of these any only one has found a home
[20:32] <clever> i ordered mine from element14 and it arrived in ~10 days
[20:32] <eval-> like, back in 2010 or so, so i figure i should use these before i get new toys ;)
[20:32] <clever> eval-: ive seen somebody turn a dockstar into a mac
[20:33] <clever> eval-: http://spritesmods.com/?art=macsearm
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> might buy a 4th Pi tomorow.
[20:33] <eval-> i also have three $40 'insignia' chumby8 from when they were getting liquidated
[20:33] <gordonDrogon> they'll have a few to sell at the Bristol raspberry Jam thing.
[20:34] <clever> i had helped a friend setup a 'massive' desktop in a large box of audio gear, for midi control stuff
[20:34] <clever> and now he's sent me half his gear to try out on the pi :P
[20:34] <clever> would save a ton of room and weight if it works
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[20:35] <eval-> uhm wtf "There aren't too many options there, so I decided to build my own GPU."
[20:35] <eval-> this dude is nuts
[20:35] <clever> eval-: he's crazy like that
[20:35] <clever> see how he did the floppy drive?
[20:36] <eval-> yeah that was cute
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[20:37] <trumee> finally got raspberry pi into use as i had hoped. http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=153773#p153773
[20:37] <clever> eval-: in the end, it runs a mac emulator and makes the whole thing appear un-modified
[20:37] <eval-> uhm, right. "Enabling the RTC in the Dockstar already has been done by some people, and there's some information about that on the German Mikrokontroller.net forums. Basically, you have to desolder 3 SMD 0402 resistors, replace them with capacitors, add an 1M resistor and crystal. Then you have to add a 1.5-1.8V backup voltage and you're done."
[20:37] <eval-> because i'd much rather do that then apt-get openntpd
[20:37] <clever> eval-: when you try to turn it off, it just shuts the emulator and monitor off, and continues to act as a NAS
[20:38] <clever> eval-: that demends on internet connection
[20:38] <clever> which is the same issue with the pi and time
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[20:40] <jbwiv> guys, I'm just curious though. If a nic can autonegotiate 1000baseT, does that mean the wire can support it? In other words, can I rest comfortably that the cable is ok for gig speeds if two devices connected with said cable autonegotiate 1000baseT?
[20:41] <clever> jbwiv: ive heard stories of a mis-wired cable (some pairs missing) claiming gigabit, and then not performing at it
[20:41] <trumee> clever: is this enough for readonly root, http://pastebin.com/kE73ccin ?
[20:41] <clever> trumee: you also need to add ro to /boot/cmdline.txt, or it will be read/write for ~20 seconds at bootup
[20:41] <clever> and may fail to switch to ro mode
[20:41] <clever> and you will also want /boot ro to protect those files
[20:42] <clever> ah wait, didnt read the second half, lol
[20:42] <trumee> clever: :)
[20:42] <trumee> clever: is that ok?
[20:42] <clever> so just add ro to /boot and it should be good :)
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[20:42] <clever> and it looks like you covered swap, i completely forgot about that
[20:43] <trumee> clever: i wonder how much swap i should setup
[20:43] <trumee> clever: atm i have 2GB which seems excessive
[20:43] <clever> my pi has 100mb, and its plenty for everything except compiling mythtv
[20:43] <N|ke> Hi, are there someone here that can help a newbie with a question/problem with my raspberry pi xbmc producing a black horizontal bar on top and bottom of my tv? This bar is on top of both video and menus :/
[20:44] <trumee> clever: how does myth work on pi?
[20:44] <trumee> clever: s/does/well does
[20:44] <clever> trumee: its been compiling on and off for days, yet to finish :P
[20:45] <trumee> clever, ah so you havent tried that yet :), does it compile on arm?
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[20:45] <clever> i tried cross-compile first but configure was fighting me
[20:45] <clever> so i gave up and started to compile directly on the pi
[20:45] * trumee tried to compile 0.24 for Nokia N900 and failed
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[20:46] <clever> just noticed, swap wasnt even on!
[20:46] <eval-> clever: i don't need npm do i
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[20:46] <clever> eval-: npm is to install extra node packages
[20:46] <clever> cant think of any you need, yet
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[20:52] <trumee> clever: thatd didnt work, http://pastebin.com/CHR1m4YY
[20:52] <trumee> clever: cmdline automagaically removed the "ro" parameter
[20:53] <clever> trumee: cat /proc/cmdline
[20:53] <trumee> clever: dma.dmachans=0x3c bcm2708_fb.fbwidth=576 bcm2708_fb.fbheight=416 bcm2708.boardrev=0x2 bcm2708.serial=0x59fcaf70 smsc95xx.macaddr=B8:27:EB:FC:AF:70 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootdelay=2 smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N
[20:53] <clever> trumee: sounds like you have that bug that causes writes to the /boot to get lost
[20:54] <trumee> clever: ah!
[20:54] <clever> modify cmdline again, then completely umount /boot and re-mount it, see if it held
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[20:56] <trumee> clever: ok, did that. it is sticking.
[20:56] <trumee> clever: now going for a reboot
[20:56] <eval-> omfg i'm down to 20mb free just to have the dependencies needed to compile nodejs
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[20:57] <trumee> clever: how will /etc/mtab be written if fs is readonly?
[20:58] <clever> trumee: mount seems to just skip that silently
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[20:58] <clever> trumee: but ive made it a symlink to /proc/mounts before for other reasons
[20:58] <DarkTherapy> just soldered 2 1 ohm resistors over the pi's polyfuses, what a difference
[20:58] <trumee> clever: ok, it readonly now
[20:59] <DarkTherapy> wifi working
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> why 1 ohm? why not just bits of wires?
[20:59] <trumee> clever: ok, how do remount it as rw now?
[20:59] <DarkTherapy> read online that 1 ohm resistors are best, after much debate
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> Hm. personally I'd run wires from the micro usb to the standard usbs to eliminate the pbc tracks - which were only made capable of 150mA IIRC...
[21:00] <clever> trumee: mount / -o remount,rw
[21:01] <DarkTherapy> yeh I know what you mean, but people have has problems with 1 of the ports failing after doing that
[21:01] <clever> gordonDrogon: ive seen that mentioned before, somebody had a ~2v drop between input and output
[21:01] <clever> gordonDrogon: traces + fuses
[21:01] <DarkTherapy> raspberry pi forum that is
[21:01] <gordonDrogon> I suspect their soldering might not have been up to it... However what do I know! I'm not exactly a "power user" ...
[21:02] <DarkTherapy> lol
[21:02] <DarkTherapy> I'm
[21:02] <eval-> error: 'class v8::String' has no member named 'MayContainNonAscii'
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> I've never had more than a keyboard or mouse plugged in or a couple of arduinos ...
[21:02] <DarkTherapy> I'm just happy wifi is working for me, and vncserver, and also got an LCD working off the gpio to show me it's ip addy
[21:03] <clever> eval-: i didnt have that much trouble, i think i just cloned the nodejs git repo and it built
[21:03] <eval-> they must bundle a newer v8
[21:03] <trevorman> 2V drop? what
[21:03] <clever> eval-: hmmm wait, i remember following a tutorial somewhere
[21:03] <trevorman> thats a heck of a voltage drop :P
[21:03] <trumee> clever: i guess syslog-ng not worth having on a *ro* system?
[21:03] <eval-> clever: i think you had the space not to use --shared-<everything>
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> ah wi-fi. that would seen to be popular - popular enough to want to make more current avalable but not bothering with a hub..
[21:04] <DarkTherapy> yeh, I've got a cheap hub, that seems to be hit and
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> back to my game of pong!
[21:04] <DarkTherapy> miss
[21:04] <clever> trevorman: dont remember the exact numbers
[21:04] <clever> eval-: http://blog.tomg.co/post/21322413373/how-to-install-node-js-on-your-raspberry-pi
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[21:04] <trevorman> wifi is just painful on ARM Linux anyway. farnell and RS should sell a known good one for a decent price.
[21:05] <clever> eval-: not sure if thats the one i used or not, but it looks sane
[21:05] <DarkTherapy> yeh
[21:06] <Gaddel> trevorman: my wireless USB nic seemed to work fine the instant i plugged it into my pi. running raspbian.
[21:07] <lmjabreu> hey, does anyone have any tip on how to fix an issue where my Pi doesn't reconnect to the wifi automatically? Using Raspbian, Asus N-10 wifi, stable power source, reboot ( as I don't have an ethernet cable at hand ) is a quick fix but a bit annoying
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[21:07] <trevorman> Gaddel: you're lucky. this channel gets lots of people complaining that their WiFi dongle doesn't work. usually because it wants too much power, the drivers aren't available or they're missing the firmware blob necessary.
[21:07] <clever> trevorman: i just recently modified an android-x86 image to add the wifi drivers AND firmware blob
[21:09] <lmjabreu> I'm using wpa supplicant btw
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[21:20] <DarkTherapy> woot woot http://db.tt/I0VLBvA5
[21:20] <DarkTherapy> raspi + LCD
[21:21] <Phosphate-> nice
[21:21] <DarkTherapy> :0)
[21:21] <_fuzz> hi ppl. i don't know if this is the right place to ask. but i've connected an mcp3008 to my pi using this tutorial: http://learn.adafruit.com/reading-a-analog-in-and-controlling-audio-volume-with-the-raspberry-pi/overview - works fine. so far soo good. but then i try to connect another potentiometer to the next channel (CH1) on the ADC. and then the two pots interfer with each other (meaning that if i
[21:21] <_fuzz> turn pot 1 to max then pot2 reads differently than if pot1 is at min).
[21:21] <_fuzz> i guess it's more an electronics-noob-question that a pi-question, but appreciate if anyone would help :)
[21:22] <[SLB]> where should i look for infos on how to pilot a lcd display like that?
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[21:23] <Gaddel> i have a 40-pin IDE cable and a bunch of male-male jumper wires (couldn't find male-female anywhere near me)
[21:24] <Gaddel> is there a good tutorial or picture i could see on how to connect them properly to a breadboard?
[21:24] <thrawed> don't you just poke them through the little holes?
[21:24] <DarkTherapy> learn.adafruit raspberry pi LCD
[21:24] <Gaddel> yes, but how do i know which pin corresponds to what hole. is it a 1-1 relationship?
[21:25] <Gaddel> and i also don't quite understand how breadboards work
[21:25] <clever> Gaddel: do you have an ohm meter?
[21:25] <[SLB]> DarkTherapy, this one? http://learn.adafruit.com/downloads/pdf/drive-a-16x2-lcd-directly-with-a-raspberry-pi.pdf
[21:25] <DarkTherapy> that's the one, the LCD is cheap too
[21:25] <Gaddel> clever: i do not. i have a bunch of assorted resistors though.
[21:25] <[SLB]> nice thanks
[21:25] <DarkTherapy> less than ??2 delivered free
[21:25] <thrawed> Gaddel: youtube.com/watch?v=q_NvDTZIaS4
[21:26] <[SLB]> Gaddel, http://ecee.colorado.edu/~mathys/ecen2250/myDAQ01/breadboard_90.png
[21:26] <clever> Gaddel: simplest way to learn is to just stick the ohm meter in random holes and see whats connected to what
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[21:26] <Gaddel> thanks
[21:26] <[SLB]> nice DarkTherapy thanks :)
[21:26] <DarkTherapy> :0)
[21:29] <Gaddel> [SLB]: what do the blue and red represent in that diagram?
[21:30] <clever> Gaddel: anything you want, usualy power
[21:30] <[SLB]> the lines in the breadboard on top and bottom, go across from left to right
[21:30] <Gaddel> is there a difference between the blue or red?
[21:30] <[SLB]> yup
[21:30] <[SLB]> no none
[21:30] <Gaddel> ok
[21:31] <Gaddel> so each of the top/bottom vertically powers 2 columns beneath it?
[21:31] <Gaddel> or just one?
[21:32] <[SLB]> there's no connection between the red/blue lines to those short vertical ones
[21:32] <Gaddel> oh, so what are the vertical ones used for?
[21:32] <[SLB]> you have to use a jumper or little bridge if you want to power a little vertical line from the horizontal ones
[21:32] <Gaddel> ahh ok
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[21:32] <[SLB]> connections among components pins usually, then a jumper powers what you want up
[21:33] <Gaddel> is there a connection between the red and blue?
[21:33] <[SLB]> no
[21:33] <Gaddel> where one contains an LED or something and one contains power?
[21:33] <[SLB]> the inside connections are shown in the pic i linked you
[21:34] <[SLB]> if you need further connection you have to put a jumper
[21:34] <Gaddel> ok
[21:34] <Gaddel> so does each "line" represent an electricity bus or something?
[21:34] <[SLB]> yes
[21:35] <Gaddel> ok, i think i get it
[21:35] <[SLB]> :)
[21:35] <Gaddel> thanks
[21:35] <[SLB]> welcome
[21:35] <DarkTherapy> watch Jeremy Blum's Arduino tutorials on YouTube, he covers breadboards in 1 video
[21:35] <DarkTherapy> all the others are handy too
[21:35] <trevorman> Gaddel: the breadboard is a piece of plastic with loads of holes in the top. those lines you see in the diagram are actually metal clips inside the breadboard. they connect together a bunch of holes.
[21:36] <trevorman> so if you want to connect some stuff together then you need to use one of those columns. if one column isn't enough then join multiple together.
[21:36] <Gaddel> trevorman: right. so i have jumpers from the GPIO pins to the power holes, and then jumpers from the power hole bus to buses containing components in the middle of the board or something, right?
[21:37] <trevorman> no. you'd jumper from the GPIO to the middle section
[21:37] <trevorman> the red + blue is for power so you'd wire 3.3V to the red one and ground to the blue one
[21:37] <trevorman> thats the usual convention
[21:37] <trevorman> since you're more likely to want nearby access to power or ground than anything else
[21:37] <Gaddel> and what's the point of doing that
[21:38] <trevorman> you're likely to have many connections to power and ground
[21:38] <Gaddel> ok so if i want to connect an LED, which GPIO pin would be used for the LED connection?
[21:38] <Gaddel> a 3.3V?
[21:39] <trevorman> GPIO pin on RPi ----> a column in the middle <--resistor-> another column <--LED---> ground row <---- ground pin on RPi
[21:40] <Gaddel> man electricity is complicated...
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[21:40] <DarkTherapy> lol
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[21:40] <Gaddel> i think i get it though
[21:41] <trevorman> don't use the power lines for signals basically :P
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> Gaddel, this might help, but the diagrams aren't that good: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
[21:41] <Gaddel> thanks
[21:41] <trevorman> Gaddel: http://www.ladyada.net/images/arduino/led12bb.jpg
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[21:42] <trevorman> that is what you want. that black wire is going to ground. that green wire is going to an IO pin.
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[21:42] <gordonDrogon> just remember with LEDs: Long Legs is a Lovely Plus ...
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> well, mostly.
[21:43] <Gaddel> oh, i didn't even realize the LED had to be in 2 different columns like that, but i guess it makes sense
[21:43] <Gaddel> rows/columns
[21:43] <DarkTherapy> yeh, can't be in the same as that's a short
[21:43] <trevorman> Gaddel: http://www.ladyada.net/images/arduino/bbunderside.jpg
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[21:43] <gordonDrogon> in that ladyada site - the rows of 5 holes (left to right) are connected.
[21:44] <Gaddel> right
[21:44] <trevorman> those metal strips are isolated from each other. you need to provide the connections yourself by poking a wire into it from the side with the holes.
[21:44] <DarkTherapy> think of the 3.3v out as constantly powered on, and the gpio pins are all turned off, the software you make basically sends 3.3v to the gpio pins
[21:45] <DarkTherapy> turning them on
[21:45] <Gaddel> ah ok
[21:45] <trevorman> Gaddel: you're trying to wire up this http://www.ladyada.net/images/arduino/lesson3sch5.jpg (ignore the pin number)
[21:48] <clever> gordonDrogon: which hardware timer are you using for delays under 100uS?
[21:48] <dennistlg> Anyone knows a good virtual machine software for ubuntu? need a windows system to run national multisim
[21:48] <DarkTherapy> virtualbox
[21:48] <DarkTherapy> is good
[21:48] <_fuzz> dennistlg: virtualbox
[21:48] <_fuzz> yeah :)
[21:49] <_fuzz> or for a server with many vms, i'd run KVM/libvirt
[21:50] <dennistlg> its only for one software
[21:51] <dennistlg> :-(
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[21:52] <trevorman> you can try wine but don't be too surprised if it doesn't work properly
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[21:52] <trevorman> niche software like multisim isn't going to have been tested at all
[21:53] <_fuzz> dennistlg: virtualbox :)
[21:53] <dennistlg> will try it;-)
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[21:57] <Holden> Gaddel, if you have a 40pin IDE cable, DO NOT connect it to the GPIO connector of the RPi, unless you are certain that some pins aren't connected together internally
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[21:58] <Gaddel> Holden: oh, really? i was told that lots of people use those cables
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[21:59] <Holden> the fact is, pins 2,19,22,24,26,30,40 are connected together internally in a IDE cable (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA )
[21:59] <clever> Holden: thats the first thing i did when i picked mine up
[21:59] <clever> ah, i didnt test every pin, just a couple
[21:59] <Gaddel> hm
[22:00] <Gaddel> what should i do then..
[22:00] <Holden> so you could short some signals in the GPIO connector
[22:00] <Holden> now, I have a 80pins cable here and I checked: they are actually shorted together inside the cable
[22:00] <Holden> but I'm not sure about 40 pins cables
[22:00] <trevorman> Holden: 80 wire is different
[22:00] <Holden> so, at least, check first with a multimeter
[22:00] <clever> Holden: its 80 wire, 40 pin
[22:00] <trevorman> 40 pin ones should be straight through except for any CSEL stuff
[22:01] <trevorman> 40 wire I mean
[22:01] <clever> yeah, they are all 40 pin cables
[22:01] <Gaddel> i have 40 pins on mine. how do i know if i have 40 wires?
[22:01] <trevorman> Gaddel: look at the ribbon part
[22:01] <Holden> trevorman, ok, I wasn't sure but still wanted to warn him. I know people have used floppy cables with success
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[22:01] <dennistlg> have build a new cable from an old floppy cable and a new connector
[22:02] <DarkTherapy> I've used a floppy cable..
[22:02] <trevorman> Holden: the 80 wire ones are special because they added those extra 40 as grounds so its all wired together
[22:02] <trevorman> but good call though
[22:02] <Holden> trevorman, so you can confirm you have checked and they are effectively independent on a 40 wire cable?
[22:02] <trevorman> yeah
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[22:02] <maxime> Hi there
[22:03] <maxime> anyone has seen this "delay: estimated 0, actual 144" type of message in dmesg ? I did an update recently, and now I have tons :/
[22:03] <trevorman> you're on your own if you use 80 wire ones :P I know they do tricks with the ground so it will do what you said
[22:03] <Holden> Gaddel, if you wan't to be _absolutely_ sure you should connect a ohmmeter to pin one, and test the continuity with the other 39. then move to pin 2 and test the other 38 etc :D it's a lot of work
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[22:04] <trevorman> do what holden said if you're going to use an old PATA cable
[22:04] <Holden> Gaddel, or trust trevorman's word and not check...
[22:05] <trevorman> I just said to test it :P
[22:05] <DarkTherapy> or buy a 26 wire cable and crimp connectors cheap off eBay
[22:05] <Holden> yes, or contact only the pins you actually need with a bunch of wires
[22:06] <[SLB]> hm where do you buy leds, resistors, displays etc?
[22:06] <Gaddel> what are those little socket things that you can put on the pins and get female connectors on top called?
[22:06] <trevorman> the ones I've look at in the past never connected the grounds together but that isn't to say that somebody out there didn't do that since electrically, that is allowed. the one thing that makes it unlikely is that they'd need custom IDC connectors for no real reason.
[22:07] <trevorman> the 80 wire one needs to wire up those extra 40 grounds and they need to connect it to the ground pins in that 40 pin connector so they'd need a custom one and they'd need to wire them all together for electrical reasons
[22:07] <DarkTherapy> pin headers
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[22:07] <Gaddel> yeah, it'd be nice if i had some pin headers...
[22:07] <Holden> [SLB], if it's only leds, resistors and displays I'm sure there are stores in your city that sell these things
[22:07] <Holden> usually I buy on ebay from china, cheaper :D
[22:08] <trevorman> gaddel: the adafruit pi breakout would be handy for testing
[22:08] <DarkTherapy> me too
[22:08] <DarkTherapy> bulk buy
[22:08] <[SLB]> not resistors :\
[22:08] <trevorman> once you've got it all worked out then you can think about how to make it smaller or with different parts
[22:08] <DarkTherapy> adafruit 'cobbler'
[22:08] <trevorman> https://www.adafruit.com/products/914
[22:08] <trevorman> yeah
[22:09] <trevorman> Holden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA#Differences_between_connectors_on_80-conductor_cables
[22:09] <trevorman> "Internally the connectors are different; the connectors for the 80-wire cable connect a larger number of ground wires to a smaller number of ground pins, while the connectors for the 40-wire cable connect ground wires to ground pins one-for-one."
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[22:10] <Holden> trevorman, yes, I was reading exactly that paragraph
[22:10] <DarkTherapy> you can find the parts to make your own gpio cables on eBay, but if the items you search for contain the words "raspberry pi" they'll be 3 times more expensive lol
[22:10] <trevorman> DarkTherapy: yeah. it is stupid
[22:10] <maxime> So nobody seen "delay: estimated 0, actual 144" type of message in dmesg ? (I really have a tons of them)
[22:11] <trevorman> every single random component out there suddenly because ideal for the RPi!
[22:11] <trevorman> motor? ideal for the RPi!
[22:11] <trevorman> random bag of components? ideal for the RPi! ><
[22:11] <Holden> [SLB], the only thing about buying things from china is that it usually takes one months for stuff to get to italy...
[22:11] <Holden> month*
[22:11] <[SLB]> yes
[22:12] <DarkTherapy> what's good for Arduino is great for pi too lol
[22:12] <dennistlg> http://haxorpi.myftp.org/GEDC00241.JPG My new cable for the pi. the cable side i solder on a pcb next days
[22:12] <Holden> but other than that, I'd say go for it if you can wait
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[22:12] <[SLB]> thanks i'll consider that, meanwhile hopefully i find some place not so expensive maybe in uk let's see
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[22:13] <DarkTherapy> I just use female to make jumpers now, to breadboard
[22:13] <DarkTherapy> I get my bits from china, and I
[22:13] <Holden> uk takes one week usually, and shipping cost are reasonable [SLB]
[22:13] <DarkTherapy> I'm in the uk
[22:13] <[SLB]> that's nice
[22:13] <trevorman> unless you're ordering from dealextreme who take 2 weeks to just get around to packing your order
[22:13] <DarkTherapy> those LCD's ??1.65 each, delivered free from china
[22:14] <DarkTherapy> can't go wrong
[22:14] <[SLB]> which website DarkTherapy?
[22:14] <Holden> DarkTherapy, link?
[22:14] <DarkTherapy> 1 sec
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[22:15] <Holden> from china, one of my favourite seller is this guy http://stores.ebay.it/POLIDA-ELECTRICAL-H-K-LIMITED
[22:15] <[SLB]> oh nice thanks
[22:15] <InControl> [SLB]: try http;//www.tandyonline.co.uk for the uk
[22:16] <DarkTherapy> eBay uk item number 300611645704
[22:16] <DarkTherapy> LCD
[22:16] <trevorman> InControl: tandy? they still exist??
[22:16] <InControl> sparkfun and adafruit are good for USA
[22:16] <[SLB]> thanks
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[22:17] <InControl> trevorman: Yes there is still a tandy but not the same as the old one
[22:17] <Holden> hmm, he does not ship to italy...
[22:18] <trevorman> ahh. blast from the past and all that
[22:18] <[SLB]> DarkTherapy, is that seller actually from hong kong?
[22:18] <InControl> the name was sold by RadioShack to ADSL Nation.
[22:18] <DarkTherapy> yeh
[22:18] <DarkTherapy> takes a week or so
[22:18] <DarkTherapy> but great price
[22:20] <trevorman> See other items - " 2,856 results found " o.O so much junk
[22:20] <[SLB]> skpang also have some stuff
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> Tandy has stock of Raspberry Pi's ?
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/modules/raspberry-pi-model-b.html
[22:23] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: some other place has them as well
[22:23] <thrawed> these are counterfeit pies
[22:23] <InControl> I think I saw somewhere that Maplin will be stocking them soon as well but you have to buy an overpriced bundle at ??60 from them.
[22:23] <trevorman> they must have put in a big order with Farnell or RS
[22:24] <thrawed> InControl: They better be bundling a compatible wifi adaptor for that price
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> don't think you need that big an oder...
[22:24] <InControl> thrawed: I don't think so just PSU, and cables pretty much I think
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[22:25] <thrawed> what a rip off
[22:25] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: nope
[22:25] <InControl> gordonDrogon: Would have to be a fair size order to account for the fact that card charges have to be covered and probably costs more than ??1 to ship
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[22:25] <trevorman> maplin is a rip off anyway for most things
[22:25] <clever> gordonDrogon: that doesnt look like the element14 model
[22:25] <clever> gordonDrogon: different ram chip, and the SL logo near power is absent on mine
[22:26] <moyix> hey, I'm trying to talk to my raspberry pi using a flyswatter (http://www.tincantools.com/wiki/Flyswatter) for the UART serial interface. I've hooked up TX->RX and RX->TX and GND->GND, and I can type and get responses, but all the text is garbled. I'm using minicom set to 115200 8N1 as the terminal on the linux host
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> the trouble with maplin is that it's convenient. I can get stuff same day if needed...
[22:26] <trevorman> clever: you can get samsung and hynix RAM. the pic is of an early batch RPi
[22:26] <clever> trevorman: ah, element14 has both types of ram mixed?
[22:27] <trevorman> clever: its missing the CE logo which means its an early batch
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[22:27] <trevorman> clever: idk. I just know you can get Samsung and Hynix RAM. Both of mine have Hynix but one was from RS and other was from Farnell.
[22:27] <clever> trevorman: mine doesnt have CE anywhere on the top
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> maybe it's just an early photo..
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> "representative" as they say...
[22:29] <trevorman> clever: the silkscreen has changed since the early models
[22:29] <trevorman> mine has the SL logo but it came with a CE sticker on the bottom
[22:30] <trevorman> the new ones have the CE logo as part of the silkscreen
[22:30] <trevorman> not sure where you one comes into it
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[22:33] <gordonDrogon> pong almsot done.
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> about 150 lines of basic.
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[22:33] <Gaddel> i am having difficulty determining if my cable is 80 or 40 wire...
[22:34] <trevorman> look at the ribbon part
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> was it an IDE cable?
[22:34] <Gaddel> IDE cable
[22:34] <Gaddel> looking at the ribbon
[22:34] <trevorman> or is it a rounded cable?
[22:34] <Gaddel> IDE/PATA
[22:35] <trevorman> is it a flat ribbon?
[22:35] <Gaddel> seems pretty flat
[22:35] <trevorman> one of the edges should have a coloured stripe
[22:35] <Gaddel> yep, it does. red.
[22:35] <trevorman> that is pin 1 and 1 wire
[22:35] <Holden> Gaddel, http://geekspeak.org/articles/12/40wire_vs_80wire_800x653.jpg
[22:35] <trevorman> do you see 40 of them or is it really fine and 80?
[22:35] <trevorman> what Holden said
[22:35] <Holden> 40 wires top, 80 wires bottom
[22:36] <Gaddel> looks like a 40 wire, both ends
[22:37] <Gaddel> alright, thanks
[22:37] <Gaddel> i think i'll give it a go then
[22:37] <Holden> note the 80wires often have a hole closed on the connector
[22:38] <Gaddel> yeah. mine has no holes closed
[22:44] <Holden> I wonder why serial lcd are so expensive... you can easily make one with a normal 16x2 lcd + a 74hc164 I think...
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> they are xpensive as they have a little PIC on the back of them to interpret the SPI/I2C/rs232 ...
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[22:48] <Holden> gordonDrogon, I'd think that little PIC only adds $1 top to their cost... but that doesn't seem the case
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> who knows - don't most have a 2nd little board too?
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[22:51] <gordonDrogon> and maybe because "they can" ...
[22:52] <trevorman> ^
[22:52] <Holden> lol, I think they want to make more money out of them, since they are relatively new, that's all...
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[22:54] <trevorman> serial LCDs have been around for well over a decade. they're just expensive for some reason. crystalfontz and matrixorbital have both been doing it for ages.
[22:55] <trevorman> no particular reason to be expensive though. they're as you said, a cheap uC on a PCB and thats about it...
[22:55] <trevorman> maybe some backlight and contrast control if you're really trying to be advanced
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[22:58] <Holden> yeah, and it's clear that you can make one using a shift register or a uC, but that involves additional work...
[22:58] <Holden> it's always a trade-off: time or money
[23:00] <Holden> and time is money
[23:00] <Holden> so it's always money really :D
[23:05] <AC`97> Bluetooth crashy on RPi? [Y/n]
[23:05] <AC`97> i'm getting kernel panics all over the place with my bluetooth dongle
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[23:12] <cjbaird> 360MB git kernel update... This'll take a while..
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[23:12] <AC`97> i miss freebsd :|
[23:13] <AC`97> i want to compile something D:<
[23:13] <AC`97> i so bored
[23:13] <AC`97> when will freebsd be stable on RPi??
[23:14] <AC`97> ... then i can spend a whole day compiling a kernel.
[23:14] <cjbaird> You won't gain anything from a monoculture of experience...
[23:14] <AC`97> . . .
[23:14] <cjbaird> <- NetBSD by day
[23:15] <AC`97> in bed by night? XD
[23:15] <cjbaird> sleep is for the weak
[23:16] <AC`97> staying awake is bleak
[23:16] <AC`97> ssh root@rpi.reboxed.net "tar cf - /bin /boot /etc /lib /opt /sbin /srv /usr /var"|bzip2 > rpi.tarbz2
[23:16] <AC`97> any way to improve my crappy "backup" one-liner?
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[23:18] <cjbaird> rsync - http://dpaste.org/xyh5P/
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[23:18] <AC`97> but how can i get it to output compressed files??
[23:18] <AC`97> or, a single compressed file.
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[23:21] <cjbaird> gtar --one-filesytem -cvpf - /|ssh user@reallyfastmachine "pbzip2 -9c >rpi.tar.bz2" :)
[23:21] <AC`97> O.o
[23:21] <AC`97> what is this gtar
[23:21] <AC`97> and pbzip2
[23:23] <cjbaird> gtar == GNU tar; that was just force of habit; the rpi has it as 'tar'; you'll learn to avoid the BSDtar.. pbzip2 is a SMP-savvy parallelizing bzip2
[23:23] <joga> there should be a tar gui called guitar
[23:23] <AC`97> oh. hmm
[23:24] <AC`97> even with pbzip2, my cpu is still mostly idle D:
[23:24] <AC`97> but then again, the rpi is only managing to get <900KB/s
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[23:26] <cjbaird> I've found that its NFS performance isn't too shabby-- ~4MB/s on bulk writes and reads. ssh's throughput is hindered by it wanting to compress everything.
[23:27] <cjbaird> bzip2 /is/ a lot more cpu-intensive than gzip, as well..
[23:27] <Amadiro> cjbaird, I get up to ~5.7MiB/s using samba
[23:28] <AC`97> my ssh doesn't seem to want to compress unless i suggest it o.o
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[23:29] <cjbaird> I haven't benchmarked on armv6, but "ssh -c arcfour" is usually the least-intensive on x86. (A pity that the rot13 codec patch never got in. :)
[23:30] <AC`97> lol
[23:30] <AC`97> so, i switched from wifi to ethernet. and got ~40KB/s faster speeds
[23:30] <AC`97> still under 1MB/s though O.o
[23:31] <thrawed> oh wow 40 whole kilobits
[23:31] <AC`97> kilobytes*
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[23:31] <AC`97> RPi doesn't seem to be struggling though. ~70% idle
[23:32] <AC`97> does the 10M orange led mean i'm on 10Mbits?
[23:33] <trevorman> no. its backwards
[23:33] <cjbaird> how much as wa.iting, though?
[23:33] <AC`97> O.o
[23:33] <trevorman> 10M lit = 100Mbps
[23:33] <trevorman> 10M off = 10Mbps or no link
[23:33] <AC`97> that's... interesting
[23:33] <trevorman> its supposed to be a 100M LED
[23:33] <AC`97> cjbaird: 1.6-2.9 waiting
[23:33] <trevorman> thats what the LAN9512 datasheet and the RPi schematics say. not sure why they wrote 10M on the silkscreen
[23:34] <AC`97> oh. hmm
[23:34] <AC`97> i wonder why it feels like i'm on 10Mbit then
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[23:35] <cjbaird> 90 minutes into the 'git pull' of the new kernel sources... "resolving deltas: 28%"
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[23:35] <chas> can you get a precompiled kernel?
[23:37] <trevorman> cjbaird: a clone would be faster assuming you've not actually altered your source
[23:38] <chas> is iptables already in the kernel of the current debian image, now?
[23:39] <AC`97> so, i just unplugged my wifi adapter... and http://ss.edited.us/120819143715.png
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[23:40] <thrawed> AC`97: trippy colours
[23:40] <AC`97> indeed
[23:40] <cjbaird> trevorman: I have, actually.. ("--depth 1" is another speedup for new trees, too)
[23:40] <AC`97> it doesn't look that bad before screenshot...
[23:41] <trevorman> ahh. that is one long clone then!
[23:42] <dennistlg> anyone here who use national semi multisim?
[23:44] <Tenchworks> question, i have a pair of usb harddrives that I want to be auto-mounted on reboot, if I have them listed in /etc/fstab will that be enough?
[23:44] <trevorman> yes
[23:45] <cjbaird> trevorman: no, that's one long gee-you-just-had-to-fiddle-with-the-kernel-didnt-you-? pull.. (I've got patches in my kernel to help debug with PaulFertzer's openocd jtag driver)
[23:45] <Tenchworks> ok cool thanks trevorman
[23:45] <trevorman> ohh right sorry
[23:46] <AC`97> why is my ethernet so slow? :|
[23:46] <AC`97> ssh root@ "cat /dev/zero" | pv >/dev/null
[23:46] <AC`97> = not even 1MB/s
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[23:46] <AC`97> RPi is ~81% idle
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[23:47] <maicod> !seen thrawed
[23:47] <AC`97> ah i see. it has something to do with my modem. i think.
[23:47] <maicod> no !seen bot :)
[23:47] <thrawed> huh
[23:47] <maicod> hi thrawed
[23:48] <thrawed> hi
[23:48] <maicod> thrawed I tried to see if the bot knew if you were active at the moment :)
[23:48] <thrawed> and did it?
[23:48] <maicod> no its not that educated :)
[23:48] <AC`97> oh. w.t.f. it's my computer's ethernet that's at 10Mbits
[23:49] <thrawed> !g maicod
[23:49] <PiBot> thrawed: http://www.youtube.com/user/maicod - "MAICOD - YouTube"
[23:49] <AC`97> from RPi - > pogoplug is 4MB/s
[23:49] <AC`97> w/ 100% load on RPi
[23:49] <maicod> thrawed: huh where dit it find my youtube account ?
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[23:49] <thrawed> maicod: leet hax
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[23:49] * maicod can't hide himself it seems :P
[23:50] <thrawed> !g trout
[23:50] <PiBot> thrawed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trout - "Trout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"
[23:50] <dennistlg> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/443556734/pio-microsd-adapter-for-raspberry-pi
[23:50] <maicod> heheh cool function
[23:50] <thrawed> dennistlg: Yeah, I posted a link to that here yesterday
[23:51] <maicod> thrawed: I fixed the raspi-update . I found out it wasnt installed
[23:51] <maicod> but it didnt help !
[23:51] <thrawed> maicod: rpi-update
[23:51] <maicod> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[23:51] <maicod> thats what I read
[23:51] <maicod> sorry I said it wrong
[23:51] <maicod> so I ran it and it succesfully updated the firmware and I rebooted
[23:52] <maicod> had to install github
[23:52] <maicod> ehm git
[23:52] <thrawed> sorry, what was your problem again?
[23:52] <dennistlg> thrawed havent seen before. but nice thing
[23:52] <maicod> one sec got an sms
[23:52] <maicod> brb
[23:53] <thrawed> dennistlg: yeah, shame it wasn't a tad cheaper
[23:53] <maicod> back
[23:53] <maicod> thrawed: wifi locks up under X
[23:53] <thrawed> no idea
[23:54] <maicod> it has something to do with the keyboard. this is my post about it: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=14857&sid=33acff2b4bbc06c25e7fd1d7d90ca081&p=153326#p153326
[23:54] <dennistlg> think i have a old sd anywhere, micro sd slot too. ;-) and soldering skills i have enought.
[23:54] <trevorman> dennistlg: okay price if I ordered since international shipping is included
[23:54] <dennistlg> ;-)
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[23:55] <trevorman> and actually getting around to designing, making and building the PCB would take time anyway
[23:55] <dennistlg> but now time to sleep good night guys
[23:56] <maicod> thrawed: I bought this hub since its said to be verified as working with the Pi but I found out its causing all the trouble: Ultron UHN-710
[23:56] <AC`97> what sort of trouble ?
[23:56] <maicod> if I connect the wifi adapter and keyboard on the Pi's main ports it works under X
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[23:57] <maicod> AC`97: keyboard becoming erratic (double chars etc.) and wifi not responding (it worked before starting X)
[23:57] <AC`97> maicod: power supply issues, probably ?
[23:57] <AC`97> and is your firmware updated?
[23:57] <maicod> AC`97: yeah both are good
[23:57] <thrawed> it is a powered hub?
[23:57] <maicod> yea
[23:58] <maicod> its on the verified list
[23:58] <maicod> on elinux
[23:58] <AC`97> what power supply do you have on your pi?
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[23:58] <maicod> 1A
[23:58] <maicod> and its the official one
[23:58] <thrawed> official?
[23:58] <maicod> its sold together with the Pi by RS
[23:58] <AC`97> try another one, just in case . . .
[23:58] <maicod> well they combined it in the purchase
[23:58] <maicod> I got none
[23:58] <AC`97> also, sold together does not always mean official
[23:58] <maicod> well I try to explain its chosen as suitable
[23:58] <thrawed> maicod: no mobile phone chargers?
[23:58] <maicod> not with usb
[23:59] <AC`97> how about computer + microusb cable?
[23:59] <maicod> and wall charger didn work (it says its 1A but it fails on the Pi)
[23:59] <maicod> computer gives 500ma max ?
[23:59] <maicod> not suitable then
[23:59] <AC`97> not always
[23:59] <maicod> oh
[23:59] <AC`97> every computer/laptop i tried it with worked
[23:59] <maicod> can try it
[23:59] <maicod> heheh OK
[23:59] <AC`97> though some had higher voltage
[23:59] <Berry6510> i just bought a beard trimmer which comes with an extra micro-usb cable... BONUS!
[23:59] <AC`97> Berry6510: lolwot

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