#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-08-20

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[0:00] <maicod> oh dangerous ?
[0:00] <AC`97> maicod: not dangerous
[0:00] <maicod> ok
[0:00] <thrawed> Berry6510: mine is a cheapo one which just takes aa;s
[0:00] <AC`97> unless you have a very cheap motherboard
[0:00] <Berry6510> hehe
[0:00] <maicod> laptop is from fujitsu siemens
[0:00] <Berry6510> just sent my Pi off to Mozambique
[0:00] <maicod> i'll try it out
[0:00] <maicod> can take a few mins
[0:00] <AC`97> [:
[0:00] <Berry6510> now i need to wait for a new one
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[0:02] <maicod> AC`97: its rebooting
[0:02] <maicod> I mean keeps rebooting
[0:02] <AC`97> oh. not enough power then
[0:02] <AC`97> whups
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[0:02] <maicod> the same happens with the wall usb charger which says its 1A
[0:02] <maicod> so I guess the RS one is fine
[0:03] <maicod> I also measured tp1 and tp2
[0:03] <AC`97> 4.8v ?
[0:03] <maicod> yeah around that
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[0:03] <maicod> did it couple of weeks ago
[0:03] <maicod> can repeat it
[0:03] <AC`97> mine still runs perfect at 4.3v (:
[0:03] <trevorman> idk. sounds like a faulty USB hub
[0:04] <maicod> trevorman: the hub is one listed on the verified pheriperals
[0:04] <AC`97> trevorman: a fauty hub that works with everything else other than the RPi ?
[0:04] <maicod> the USB IDS are correct
[0:04] <maicod> so its not a fake one :)
[0:04] <trevorman> if its listed as okay on elinux, RS bundle it and the ID match then what else? The RPi could be faulty I guess...
[0:04] <AC`97> maicod: you did try the hub on your lappotop, right??
[0:05] <maicod> trevorman: I got 2 Pi's both don't work
[0:05] <maicod> yeah
[0:05] <maicod> it works fine
[0:05] <maicod> it even powered a 2.5 inch hdd
[0:05] <AC`97> have you tried powering the pi from the hub ?
[0:05] <maicod> if I remove the usb power supply it spins down
[0:05] <AC`97> so hub -> rpi -> hub
[0:06] <maicod> AC`97: ehmmmmm
[0:06] <maicod> do I need to run a cable from usb to hub and a cable from hub to the power jack ?
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[0:06] <AC`97> yes
[0:06] <trevorman> AC`97: that is another "if it works for you then great but otherwise YMMV"
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[0:06] <trevorman> AC`97: same as your RPi working at 4.3V
[0:06] <AC`97> trevorman: never tried the circlehub thing XD
[0:06] <trevorman> both aren't things you should rely on
[0:06] <maicod> yeah trevorman I'm really frustrated
[0:07] <AC`97> i only use an A-to-A usb cable from a computer to hub for extra power
[0:07] <trevorman> an A to A cable shouldn't exist
[0:07] <AC`97> well it does
[0:07] <trevorman> not that it stops the factories churning them out
[0:07] <AC`97> or i made it exist >:D
[0:07] <maicod> pi's booting from hub power
[0:08] <AC`97> pi's almost ready. nice and brown
[0:08] <trevorman> powering the rpi from a PC USB port or a hub USB port should be fine so long as you've got nothing plugged into those ports
[0:08] <trevorman> but still not recommended and especially not if you do want to plug anything in
[0:09] <maicod> oh i see
[0:09] <maicod> pi crashed
[0:09] <Amadiro> Preferrably don't do it with a model B, the model B can draw up to 3.5W (AFAIR), which is 1W over USB capacity.
[0:09] <maicod> it almost booted up to the login
[0:09] <jui-feng> hub -> rpi -> hub works for me with external hd connected to the hub :) guess im lucky
[0:10] <AC`97> back in my dorm days, i used to hook some wires from my computer's usb port to 2 pencil leads... and short them together for some plastic-melting fun
[0:10] <jui-feng> and the hard drive has it's own power supply
[0:10] <trevorman> Amadiro: they included the ~200mA for the devices so in theory it should be okay
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[0:10] <AC`97> maicod: you don't happen to be overclocking, right?
[0:10] <Amadiro> AC`97, you really couldn't think of a less expensive power-supply for that...?
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[0:11] <belak> Hi, I was wondering what the main differences are between OpenELEC and Raspbmc and which works better?
[0:11] <AC`97> Amadiro: eh, the computer's power supply was cheap
[0:11] <maicod> ac: nope
[0:11] <Amadiro> AC`97, the computers power supply is not what's going to blow up
[0:11] <AC`97> Amadiro: also, it tripped the power supply's internal breaker once. then i stopped
[0:11] <Amadiro> The mainboard probably will
[0:11] <thrawed> belak: raspbmc has all that other linux junk
[0:11] <maicod> ac: firmware updated and using the regular wheezy distro
[0:11] <belak> thrawed: "other linux junk?"
[0:11] <thrawed> belak: whereas openelec stripped it all out
[0:11] <AC`97> other than that, there were harmless messages about overcurrent in the log
[0:12] <trevorman> AC`97: the PSU might be cheap but the motherboard isn't :P
[0:12] <AC`97> motherboard was cheap too
[0:12] <thrawed> belak: raspbmc has debian innards
[0:12] <AC`97> i replaced the 1.6GHz processor with a 2.4GHz, but it only ran at 1.8
[0:12] <AC`97> GHz
[0:12] <belak> thrawed: ahhh, ok. Thanks.
[0:13] <thrawed> belak: but that's not to say openelec is better or worse
[0:13] <thrawed> belak: I believe the best xbmc distro at the moment is xbian, although I haven't tried it myself
[0:13] <maicod> AC`97: powering from the hub made it not complete the booting . it ended with a kernel crash message (tried it twice)
[0:13] <AC`97> hmm
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[0:14] <maicod> it now boots fine from the RS psu
[0:14] <belak> I'm really trying to look from a performance standpoint
[0:14] <AC`97> maicod: so either all your power supplies are bad, or your RPi is faulty/weird.
[0:14] <thrawed> belak: I think raspbmc does a slightly better job than openelec
[0:14] <maicod> AC`97: I got 2 and both do the same
[0:14] <thrawed> belak: But I keep hearing good things about xbian
[0:14] <AC`97> O.o
[0:15] <maicod> AC`97: when I tried the wifi dongle and keyboard in the main usb ports (no hub) it works fine under X (wifi)
[0:15] <AC`97> mine will even boot up with a lithium ion battery at ~3.8v, but usb remains down
[0:15] <belak> thrawed: I'll try xbian
[0:15] <maicod> but when I use the Ultron UHN-710 it fails
[0:15] <maicod> also it fails when using an old unpowered hub from belkin
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[0:16] <maicod> AC`97: whats the brand of powered hub you use and do you use wifi in X on the Pi (on raspbian) ?
[0:17] <gordonDrogon> usb needs 5v to work - that's the combined usb hub/ethernet chip
[0:17] <AC`97> i don't use a powered hub... or at least, i don't have a power supply for my hub
[0:17] <maicod> with the hub attached and using a wifi dongle the keyboard sometimes repeats keys
[0:17] <maicod> AC`97: and you can use keyboard/mouse/wifi and then internet over wifi under X on raspbian ?
[0:17] <AC`97> maicod: my hub is supposedly the "Genesys Logic (sold at Fry's)"
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[0:18] <AC`97> i never tried X and raspbian
[0:18] <maicod> ok thats the whole trouble then
[0:18] <AC`97> only openelec for a few minutes, and then archlinux :P
[0:18] <maicod> I can't find people that use X with wifi
[0:18] <AC`97> i've never even plugged in a keyboard to my RPi
[0:18] <AC`97> (nor do i have any usb keyboards)
[0:19] <maicod> I think its this problem: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Linux_Driver_Issues
[0:19] <thrawed> you don't have any usb keyboards?!
[0:19] <AC`97> indeed
[0:19] <maicod> I have
[0:19] <maicod> multiple
[0:19] <maicod> tried them all
[0:19] <thrawed> AC`97: are you living in the same decade as the rest of us?
[0:19] <maicod> alkso tried 3 wifi dongles
[0:19] <AC`97> my RPi has only seen: gps, 4 different wifi adapters, hub, bluetooth (very crashy), remote receiver.
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[0:19] <thrawed> AC`97: or are you trapped in a time loop in 1997?
[0:20] <AC`97> 1997? DOS 6.22?
[0:20] <AC`97> ohwait i was on windows 3.1 back then
[0:20] <maicod> nah 1997 it wasn't DOS anymore
[0:20] <maicod> win95 ?
[0:20] <AC`97> it still was D:<
[0:20] <maicod> I think it was
[0:20] <trevorman> I've tried two keyboards on my RPi. An old Apple USB one which works okay even though its got a built in USB 1 hub and a Logitech G15 which didn't work properly. Not surprised about that as it has loads of LEDs and a LCD
[0:20] <maicod> I had windows95
[0:21] <AC`97> oh. i remember i bought windows 95 upgrade
[0:21] * maicod is really out of options
[0:21] <AC`97> and managed to trick it into installing without win3.1
[0:21] <thrawed> maicod: I say dump x
[0:21] <AC`97> ... and then a week later, windows 98 came out. at a cheaper price.
[0:21] <Amadiro> Hm, I made a tiny "DATA" LED for my rbpi that lights up whenever data is transferred in or out at more than 500kb/s... works nicely.
[0:21] <maicod> I need to find someone with the exact same config or that I buy the same hub and keyboard as him to get wifi work under X on raspbian
[0:22] <maicod> thrawed: doesnt video playing need X ?
[0:22] <AC`97> Amadiro: did you know that you can change the drive access led to show wifi data activity ?
[0:22] <maicod> I mean using the Pi for HD videos
[0:22] <thrawed> maicod: who cares about video
[0:22] <maicod> I do :0
[0:22] <maicod> :)
[0:22] <Amadiro> AC`97, no, but my rpi has no wifi.
[0:22] <AC`97> ... oh
[0:23] <AC`97> my RPi is going into my motorcycle.
[0:23] <AC`97> with 3 wifi adapters + gps
[0:23] <AC`97> and bluetooth, if i can get it to stop crashing
[0:23] <maicod> so to rephrase my question to all out here: WHO uses the Pi with raspbian wheezy with a powered usb hub and keyboard/mouse/wifi dongle and can succesfully use internet under X ?
[0:24] <AC`97> maicod: what window/desktop manager do you use?
[0:24] <maicod> the one that comes with wheezy
[0:24] <maicod> gnome
[0:24] <AC`97> no overclock, right?
[0:24] <maicod> no
[0:24] <maicod> never did
[0:24] <AC`97> are you sure?
[0:24] <maicod> yeah !
[0:25] <AC`97> i seem to have heard that raspbian overclocks...
[0:25] <maicod> and I got 2 pi's that both act the same
[0:25] <maicod> huh
[0:25] <maicod> really ?
[0:25] <AC`97> maicod: cat /boot/config.txt |grep -i freq
[0:25] <maicod> ok
[0:26] <AC`97> (anything interesting??)
[0:26] <reider59> I use mine with Raspbian, WiFi adaptor straight to the USB port, mini keyboard/mouse either direct to the other port (as a BT adaptor) or in an unpowered USB port, BT to the mini kb and another adaptor to a pic frame running Linux. X and net no problem
[0:27] <reider59> ethernet and the WiFi both work
[0:27] <maicod> AC`97: the arm_freq is commented out
[0:27] <maicod> so its not using 800
[0:27] <maicod> its using 700
[0:27] <AC`97> om. hmm
[0:27] <thrawed> I use mine with Raspbian, WiFi adaptor straight to the USB port. No x.
[0:27] <AC`97> i'm on 1.3GHz
[0:27] <reider59> GPIO in use too
[0:27] <maicod> thrawed: thats the only thing that works here too
[0:28] <AC`97> i just had to make it faster than my pogoplug (1.2GHz)
[0:28] <thrawed> AC`97: Overvolting?
[0:28] <AC`97> none.
[0:28] <maicod> if I use the powered hub and hookup wifi dongle keyboard does strange under text mode and wifi doesnt work under X
[0:28] <thrawed> wow
[0:28] <AC`97> probably something to do with mine being able to run on 4.3v
[0:28] * AC`97 has no clue
[0:28] <maicod> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Linux_Driver_Issues
[0:28] <maicod> I think thats the clue
[0:29] <reider59> my WiFi works no problem in terminal or X but will not work in a powered hub
[0:29] <AC`97> or perhaps it's my bling. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cRlxWsZo9gmqi-qp2PX0AvDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
[0:29] <reider59> direct in the RPi USB port is no problem
[0:29] <maicod> reider: but how do you use a mouse in X then?
[0:29] <maicod> here either
[0:30] <maicod> but I want X and wifi :)
[0:30] <maicod> so 3 USB ports are needed
[0:30] <maicod> one for the mouse
[0:30] <reider59> I can connect a WiFi keyboard/mouse or use the mini keyboard/trackpad, both work in terminal and X
[0:30] <maicod> one keyboard
[0:30] <maicod> one dongle
[0:30] <maicod> oh a keyboard mouse combi
[0:30] <Amadiro> reider59, did you get anything interesting in /var/log/kern.log?
[0:30] <maicod> aint got such here
[0:31] <reider59> mini kb and trackpad only take 1 USB port, so does the normal kb/mouse
[0:31] <maicod> reider: I have none :(
[0:31] <reider59> cannot think why I'd need to look there
[0:31] <maicod> no keyboard with mouse builtin or such
[0:32] * maicod thinks getting another brand powered hub won't help
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[0:32] <reider59> a simple ?1 unpowered hub from the poundshop works here with both BT connectors in
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[0:34] <maicod> reider: talking about bluetooth?
[0:35] * maicod has no such desire :)
[0:35] <maicod> I want wifi :)
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[0:35] <AC`97> reider59: does bluetooth work well?
[0:35] <reider59> yes, sometimes I need the picture frame plugged in so then I use the unpowered hub so I can have both NT connectors in
[0:35] <reider59> Works OK here, no problems
[0:35] <AC`97> have you tried bluetooth audio?
[0:36] <reider59> no, don't have a need for it
[0:36] <maicod> reider: what brand keyboard+mouse combo (one cable) you got and is it wired or wireless ?
[0:36] <AC`97> :|
[0:36] <reider59> I have a Microsoft wireless kb/mouse combo and a Rii mini kb and trackpad, both work no problem
[0:37] <reider59> the Rii is BT
[0:37] <maicod> do you happen to know the model nr of the microsoft kb/mouse ?
[0:37] <reider59> hang on
[0:37] <maicod> thanks
[0:38] <reider59> says Microsoft wireless keyboard 700
[0:39] * maicod thinks this is the only solution to get X and mouse and keyboard and wifi working
[0:39] <maicod> OK cool
[0:39] <maicod> maybe its still for sale
[0:39] <maicod> dunno how old it is ;0
[0:39] <maicod> ;)
[0:39] <reider59> was only cheap but I already had it when I got the RPi
[0:40] <maicod> for long or did you buy it last year/this year ?
[0:40] <reider59> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Microsoft-Wireless-Optical-Desktop-700/dp/B000Y123DC
[0:40] <reider59> $19.99
[0:40] <maicod> cool thanks
[0:40] <maicod> ah nice
[0:40] <reider59> oops
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[0:40] <reider59> ?19.99
[0:40] <maicod> its dollars :)
[0:40] <maicod> hehe yeah pounds
[0:40] <reider59> << sat in dark
[0:40] <maicod> you're in england ?
[0:40] <maicod> haha
[0:40] <reider59> yes
[0:41] <maicod> OK I'm in netherlands
[0:41] <maicod> hope I can order it from the UK
[0:41] <reider59> shouldn't be a problem
[0:41] <maicod> not so far away :)
[0:41] <Gaddel> sorry for all the questions, but what side should of my IDE cable should i put on pin 1 of the GPIO pins?
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[0:41] <Gaddel> there are 40 pins so one of the sides will hang off
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[0:42] <maicod> gaddel: I think as long as you use the same side on the other side of the cable that it doesnt matter (but don't listen to WHAT I think :P)
[0:42] <maicod> one side of the cable has a marking
[0:42] <Gaddel> one has a red colored wire yeah
[0:42] <maicod> thats the pin1
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[0:43] <maicod> use that side
[0:43] <AC`97> but does pin 1 go on pin 1 ?
[0:43] <AC`97> :D
[0:43] <maicod> I think it does !
[0:43] <maicod> lemme google
[0:43] <AC`97> orly?
[0:43] * AC`97 thinks it can't
[0:43] <Gaddel> hm
[0:43] <clever> pin 1 is 3.3v
[0:44] <AC`97> om nom nom, 3.3v
[0:44] <clever> http://elinux.org/File:GPIOs.png
[0:44] <maicod> Assuming cable select is not being used, any connector on a standard 40-conductor cable can go to any device, because all 40 wires are connected "straight through" to all three connectors
[0:44] <reider59> the 26 pin connectors are 39p and the ribbon cable about ?1.50. I made a couple up
[0:44] <maicod> I copied that
[0:44] <AC`97> i have a little piezo beeper connected via heatshrink tubing :D
[0:44] <Gaddel> well
[0:44] <maicod> http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable-c.html
[0:44] <Gaddel> hmm
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[0:45] <maicod> otherwise use a small wire in the cables connector on one side (the red wire is pin1 so use that pin) and use a multimeter to see if the other end (also the red pin1 wire) is conducting current
[0:45] <reider59> what are you connecting the cable to?
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[0:46] <maicod> I mean use a multimeter to see if pin1 goes to pin1
[0:46] <Gaddel> i have a breadboard and some male-male jumper wires
[0:46] <Gaddel> i may need a multimeter though yeah
[0:46] <maicod> by electrically testing it
[0:46] * maicod does that when he's in doubt :)
[0:46] <AC`97> i have this $600 multimeter... and it keeps defaulting to AC. D:< !!!
[0:46] <maicod> if the multimeter has no beep signal then use the ohms scale and see if it goes down to zero
[0:47] <Gaddel> do not currently have a multimeter but i can pick one up
[0:47] <maicod> ok
[0:47] <maicod> but as you can see the cable goes straight through so pin1 is pin1 on the other side (red side first wire in the flat cable is the same on other side)
[0:48] <reider59> I got the cheapy one from Maplins a few years back, paid for itself many times over and especially with the RPi
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[0:49] <reider59> my breakout board I made had about 50 solder joints so without the ribbon cables the multimeter still did a lot of work
[0:49] <reider59> think it was only about $5-7
[0:49] <maicod> reider : with <reider59> I can connect a WiFi keyboard/mouse or use the mini keyboard/trackpad, both work in terminal and X you meant wifi dongle and the usb dongle from the keyboard/mouse combo in the Pi's 2 USB ports and then be able to use wifi under X right ?
[0:49] <reider59> ?
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[0:50] <maicod> reider you're pound sign is lost :)
[0:50] <maicod> your
[0:51] <AC`97> ??
[0:51] * maicod doesn't have a pound sign on his Keyboard :)
[0:52] <reider59> yes. If I put the wifi dongle in a powered hub it fails. It works perfect in the RPi USB port and has either the normal keyboard/mouse combo in the other port or the Rii on BT. Both work in my unpowered hub too if I have the picture frame or something else to plug in
[0:52] <maicod> oh damn the keyboard is probably not US style ?
[0:52] <reider59> pound sign is there for me. I just fail to see it in the dark
[0:53] <maicod> reider: ok. my belkin unpowered hub doesnt work with it :(
[0:53] <maicod> reider: we use american keyboards here
[0:53] <reider59> I got an unpowerted hub from the poundshop
[0:53] <maicod> @ above the 2 and $ above the 4
[0:53] <reider59> it can be set to american
[0:54] <maicod> yeah but the printing on the keys is a pound sign on the 4 ?
[0:54] <AC`97> of course not
[0:54] <AC`97> >:D
[0:54] <reider59> 3 and 4 here with pound on the 3 and $ on the 4
[0:54] <maicod> ah on the 3 I got a #
[0:55] <maicod> OK will check it out myself thanks
[0:55] <reider59> hash # is next to the enter key
[0:55] <Gaddel> reider59: lowest priced multimeter i can find near me is $22 (radioshack)
[0:55] <Gaddel> worth buying it? it's digital
[0:56] <AC`97> false.
[0:56] <AC`97> get one for $3 instead
[0:56] <reider59> digital will always cost more and Radioshack aint cheap
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[0:56] <AC`97> for the same price, you could get a MUCH better one
[0:56] <Gaddel> hmm
[0:56] <Gaddel> ok, looking at other stores
[0:57] * maicod got one of ELRO
[0:57] <AC`97> online.
[0:57] <maicod> gaddel: your english too?
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[0:57] <Gaddel> maicod: nope, american
[0:57] <maicod> OK:)
[0:57] * maicod never knows shops in USA
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[0:58] <maicod> but I heard RS is one of the most expensive stores in electronic stuff
[0:58] <AC`97> yep
[0:58] <AC`97> http://www.tequipment.net/Ideal61-495.asp i have one of these
[0:58] <NucWin> Gaddel i got a tenma 72-7720 for ??15 much better than the ??5 one i killed
[0:59] <NucWin> from farnell
[1:00] <reider59> multimeter gives a really good sense of security. Used properly you know you have the continuity and no shorts.
[1:00] <AC`97> indeed.
[1:00] <maicod> reider:unless you blew up the fuse :)
[1:00] <maicod> like I once did
[1:00] <AC`97> the fuse in my multimeter is the same size as the ones used for my shop's car lift
[1:00] <maicod> with amps measuring
[1:00] <AC`97> O.o
[1:01] <maicod> AC`97: same strenght ?
[1:01] <AC`97> except my lift uses 2 fuses
[1:01] <maicod> slow or fast burning ?
[1:01] <Gaddel> i'd order one online but the shipping would probably cost more than the product
[1:01] <AC`97> well, most likely the rating is different :P
[1:01] <AC`97> meter fuse is only 16A
[1:01] <maicod> AC`97:DOH
[1:01] <InControl> auto ranging multimeters help avoid melting the meter
[1:01] <AC`97> the lift fuse is probably 20A
[1:01] <maicod> AC`97: you meant how it looks was identical but not the rating :)
[1:01] <reider59> I always pick stuff thats already in the UK, saves any duty etc
[1:02] <AC`97> maicod: indeed.
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[1:02] <maicod> AC`97: lots of that same 'shape' around
[1:02] <Gaddel> http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Size-Handheld-Digital-Multimeter-DT830B/dp/B00066ZZO4/
[1:02] <Gaddel> this look good?
[1:02] <AC`97> my meter fuse is rated 600v, but lift fuses are only 300v
[1:02] <AC`97> hmm
[1:03] <maicod> what kinda lift is that ? is it one with a zigzag mechanism?
[1:03] <AC`97> zigzag? o.o
[1:03] <AC`97> i have a 4-post, and a 2-post
[1:04] <maicod> lemme find what I meant
[1:04] <AC`97> oh, you mean scissor lift?
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[1:04] <AC`97> scissor lifts are useless XD
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[1:05] <Gaddel> would you guys recommend analogue or digital for multimeters?
[1:06] <AC`97> digital.
[1:06] <AC`97> with analog, you're always guessing XD
[1:06] <Gaddel> makes sense
[1:06] <Gaddel> yeah i'm having trouble finding digital in my area for <$20
[1:06] <AC`97> maicod: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WTRwY73N2m_C1I4mQm4Ayvzav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[1:06] <maicod> AC`97: http://tinyurl.com/8qxszh8
[1:06] <maicod> oops you replied in the mean time
[1:06] <AC`97> maicod: scissor lift
[1:06] <maicod> yeah I
[1:06] <maicod> I meant that
[1:07] <AC`97> useless XD
[1:07] <maicod> oh CAR lifs !
[1:07] <AC`97> well, there are scissor-type car lifts
[1:07] <maicod> ofcourse for cars you need free space under it
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[1:07] <maicod> oh but unhandy ?
[1:07] <AC`97> changing tires? XD
[1:08] <maicod> so you got your own car repair shop?
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[1:08] <AC`97> yep.
[1:08] <maicod> cool
[1:08] <maicod> you're a dealer ?
[1:08] <AC`97> o.o
[1:08] <maicod> brand dealer
[1:08] <fakker> drug dealer
[1:08] <maicod> hahahaha
[1:08] <AC`97> flowmaster, magnaflow????
[1:08] <maicod> nope we call them dealers here (brand limited car shops
[1:09] <AC`97> oh. no clue
[1:09] <maicod> they have garage too
[1:09] <maicod> doesnt matter sorry going offtopic too much
[1:09] <maicod> brb btw
[1:09] <AC`97> i work on lots of stuff.
[1:09] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JEDZ3jhTrwAAUqZZ5KmIe_zav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[1:10] <maicod> motor frame ?
[1:10] <AC`97> harley :]
[1:10] <AC`97> vroom.
[1:10] <maicod> heheh cool
[1:11] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cKJP5pl__6zug5-veoX5Y_zav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[1:11] <maicod> I sometimes watch such programs on Discovery/Natgeo
[1:11] <AC`97> ^ and more vroom
[1:11] <maicod> nice vroom :)
[1:11] <AC`97> ty (:
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[1:11] * maicod just has a Kia car :)
[1:11] <maicod> nothing else
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[1:11] <AC`97> i hate cars :P
[1:11] <AC`97> they're dangerous
[1:11] <maicod> well they can be handy
[1:12] <maicod> AC`97: you're in the states ?
[1:12] <AC`97> yep.
[1:12] <maicod> guessed that right :)
[1:12] <AC`97> in the city where you "get shot at around every corner"
[1:12] <maicod> ehm los angelos ?
[1:12] <AC`97> O.o wha
[1:13] <AC`97> how about "rap city"
[1:13] <maicod> chicago
[1:13] <maicod> ?
[1:13] <AC`97> .....
[1:13] <AC`97> in california XD
[1:13] <maicod> oh so the state I guessed correctly :)
[1:13] <AC`97> indeed. now try the city
[1:13] <maicod> I am not good in USA city's :)
[1:13] <AC`97> ^_^
[1:13] <maicod> ehm
[1:14] <maicod> lemme peek at googlemaps :)
[1:14] <AC`97> lol
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[1:14] * maicod cheats :)
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[1:14] <AC`97> maicod: i'll give you a big fat hint. Bnxynaq
[1:14] <maicod> SF
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[1:14] <AC`97> close.
[1:14] <AC`97> it's right across the bay
[1:16] <AC`97> (sd'c bsqrd kmbycc dro lki)
[1:16] <nplus> Hey, so I finally got some time to play with my pi. I installed the raspbian on it, but I was never prompted for the raspi-config - am I missing something?
[1:17] <maicod> oakland?
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[1:17] <maicod> Bnxynaq is an anagram?
[1:17] <maicod> russian :)
[1:17] <maicod> sacramento?
[1:17] <maicod> raspi-config
[1:17] <AC`97> lol
[1:17] <maicod> sudo raspi-config
[1:17] <AC`97> maicod: oakland
[1:17] <maicod> ah cool :)
[1:17] <maicod> does it have load of oak trees ? :))))
[1:17] <nplus> maicod: I tried that and I get "command not found"
[1:17] <AC`97> possibly
[1:17] <maicod> hehehe
[1:18] <maicod> you know netherlands right ?
[1:18] <AC`97> er...
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[1:18] * AC`97 opens up google maps
[1:18] <maicod> omg ;)
[1:18] <AC`97> :D
[1:18] <maicod> really?
[1:18] <AC`97> false. i do know... now...
[1:18] <maicod> I'm gonna say stupid american otherwise :PPPPPP
[1:18] <AC`97> lol
[1:18] <maicod>
[1:18] <maicod> hehe
[1:19] <maicod> its cross the 'bay' of UK coast
[1:19] <maicod> east side :)
[1:19] <AC`97> indeed
[1:19] <AC`97> and right next to deutschland
[1:19] <maicod> jawohl :)
[1:19] <AC`97> (:
[1:19] <maicod> but we are nicer :D
[1:19] <AC`97> lol
[1:20] <maicod> germans are often considered dull and conservative
[1:20] <maicod> at least in our perspective
[1:20] <satellit> nplus:http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/images/raspbian/2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian/2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.zip has config setup on launch http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Testing/Reports/ARM_RPi#Test_Report_2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.zip
[1:20] <AC`97> i've lived in oakland all my life. born here too
[1:21] <maicod> strange that he didnt get the config menu to open on 1st boot
[1:21] <maicod> AC`97: nice temperature I guess
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[1:21] <AC`97> indeed
[1:21] <AC`97> good for vroom-vrooming
[1:21] <maicod> its 30 celsius right now here but thats an extreme summer temperature here
[1:21] <maicod> yah :)
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[1:22] <maicod> AC`97: I've seen storage wars on history channel. they roamed all kinds of calif cities
[1:22] <nplus> satellit: thanks, i'm 99% positive that's the image I used and I didn't get the config menu on boot...
[1:22] <AC`97> storage wars? o.o
[1:22] <nplus> let me rewrite the image one more time
[1:22] <maicod> nplus: can you rewrite the image ?
[1:22] <AC`97> (like, datacenters?)
[1:23] <nplus> maicod: half a step ahead of you ;)
[1:23] <maicod> AC`97: nah unpaid storage units that get auctioned
[1:23] <maicod> LOL nplus
[1:23] <AC`97> oh, i see
[1:23] <maicod> its cool as they don;t know what they bid for
[1:23] <maicod> loads of junk or some pricy stuff
[1:23] <AC`97> packing peanuts.
[1:23] <AC`97> :D
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[1:23] <maicod> californian ones I guess :)
[1:24] <maicod> cacahues or such huh?
[1:24] <maicod> forgot the name
[1:24] <maicod> spanish name
[1:24] <AC`97> O.o dunno
[1:24] <maicod> I got californian walnuts
[1:24] <maicod> well not jow
[1:24] <maicod> now
[1:24] <maicod> but I mean I saw they came from california
[1:25] <maicod> probably litered with fumes from your motorcycles :PPPPPPP
[1:25] <AC`97> lol
[1:25] <nplus> maicod: looks like i might have been using the wrong image.. now i feel stupid :P
[1:25] <maicod> ok don't be
[1:25] <maicod> just cry and start over :)
[1:25] <nplus> heh
[1:26] <maicod> or more for us lads:drink loads of beer :)
[1:26] <nplus> yeah, i think i was using the debian image from april 19
[1:26] <maicod> oh that one
[1:26] <maicod> the old one
[1:26] <AC`97> just cry and pull the trigger
[1:26] <maicod> it doesnt have the menu indeed
[1:26] <AC`97> ... and then cry some more
[1:26] <maicod> hahaah
[1:26] <nplus> yeah, really old image, not sure how i got the names mixed up
[1:26] <nplus> oh well
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[1:27] * maicod is surprised the raspberrypi.org site still has that one in its download list
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[1:27] <satellit> nplus I have several test reports on that wiki pge.....
[1:27] <maicod> its go a big bug !
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[1:27] <maicod> the flash card writing is slowed down to max 4.5 MB.sec
[1:28] <AC`97> still fast
[1:28] <maicod> so use raspbian ;)
[1:28] <maicod> well not with a card I got :)
[1:28] <maicod> it does 18 MB./sec
[1:29] <AC`97> even 1MB/s is good enough for my uses
[1:29] <maicod> heh
[1:29] <AC`97> not much writing going on when it'll be sitting inside my motorcycle :D
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[1:30] <nplus> am i better off to resize the partitions while i've got the sd card in my laptop or let the raspi-config script take care of it?
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[1:32] <maicod> oh LOL nope
[1:33] <satellit> it does the resize on startup menu
[1:33] <maicod> nplus: got no idea tbh. I did both. I loaded up vmware on my laptop and installed ubuntu and then used gparted to create/resize partitions
[1:34] <maicod> nplus: beware that after you've done that and your card is say 32GB you'll need to backup the whole 32GB with dd
[1:34] <maicod> if you want to backup
[1:34] <nplus> meh, i'm just playing around right now
[1:34] <maicod> if you let it use say part the card you can find out up to which sector you need to dd it
[1:34] <maicod> OK
[1:35] <nplus> ah there we go! config menu
[1:35] <maicod> well the advice is for later use :)
[1:35] <maicod> cool:)
[1:35] <maicod> AC`97: you got a AC shock in 1997 ? :)))
[1:35] <nplus> thanks :)
[1:35] <AC`97> o.O ?
[1:35] <maicod> your name means?
[1:36] <AC`97> ... you don't know? D:
[1:36] <maicod> acdc ?
[1:36] <AC`97> ask nplus :P
[1:36] <maicod> don't know it no
[1:36] <maicod> nplus is anohter oakie ?
[1:36] <maicod> :)
[1:36] <AC`97> probably not.
[1:36] <maicod> heh
[1:36] <maicod> but american maybe :)
[1:37] <nplus> nope
[1:37] <AC`97> it has something to do with... computers
[1:37] <nplus> close-ish
[1:37] <maicod> oh ehm
[1:37] <nplus> Apple Computer 97?
[1:37] <AC`97> ewww
[1:37] <maicod> apple ewwwwwwwwww
[1:37] <AC`97> preposterous
[1:37] <maicod> :)
[1:37] <nplus> haha
[1:37] <AC`97> try google ^_^
[1:37] <maicod> see nplus is oblivious too
[1:38] <maicod> !g ac'97
[1:38] <PiBot> maicod: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC'97 - "AC&#39;97 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"
[1:38] <AC`97> tada!~
[1:38] <maicod> now paste the page contents :)
[1:38] <nplus> maicod: that's cheating!
[1:38] <maicod> i'm lazy :)
[1:38] <AC`97> lol
[1:38] <maicod> can it do that /
[1:38] <maicod> ?
[1:39] <nplus> probably not
[1:39] <maicod> ohhhhhhhhh audio codec !!!!!!
[1:39] <maicod> I forgot !!!!!!
[1:39] <nplus> yeah, now it rings some bells
[1:39] <dennistlg> shit codec ;-)
[1:40] <AC`97> lol
[1:40] <ReggieUK> language!
[1:40] * AC`97 hisses and buzzes at dennistlg
[1:40] <dennistlg> and who say holl?nder are nicer than german? O_o
[1:40] <dennistlg> ok reggie
[1:40] <nplus> i really need to figure out what i want to do with my pi :/
[1:41] <AC`97> !g my reboxed pogoplug is alive
[1:41] <maicod> I know it
[1:41] <maicod> i was one of the first people ever using mp3 of fraunhofer. it was still commandline utils like l3mp3enc and l3mp3dec
[1:41] <maicod> so I shouldve recognized ac97 too
[1:41] <maicod> its a little chip doing decoding of audio huh
[1:41] <maicod> dennistlg: hahaha I did :)
[1:41] <maicod> dennistlg: you from germany ?
[1:41] <maicod> dennistlg: sorry for generalising
[1:41] <PiBot> AC`97: http://www.theverge.com/ - "The Verge"
[1:41] <AC`97> PiBot: fail
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[1:41] <dennistlg> maicod yes iam
[1:41] <dennistlg> ^^
[1:41] <maicod> dennistlg: hehehe nice to meet you
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[1:42] <maicod> dennistlg: I'm from NL
[1:42] <Amadiro> maicod, yes, they are very common, my laptop has one, for instance
[1:42] <maicod> amadiro: theyre used when theres no dedicated audio card in the laptop or pc
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[1:42] <maicod> its a tiny square chip
[1:42] <Amadiro> Yeah
[1:42] <dennistlg> maicod its ok ;-)
[1:43] <Amadiro> well, all chips are tiny and square
[1:43] <dennistlg> i like oranje
[1:43] <maicod> its doing nothing much else than software decoding
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[1:43] <maicod> dennistlg: thanks but we did horrible with football
[1:43] * AC`97 is in your computer :D
[1:43] <maicod> I don't use my AC`97 I use a soundcard
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[1:43] <AC`97> i sad
[1:43] <AC`97> oh, i use a soundcard too.
[1:43] <AC`97> with gold plating everywhere
[1:43] <maicod> OK :)
[1:43] <dennistlg> me too
[1:44] <maicod> mine is a Audigy 2ZS
[1:44] <AC`97> mine is just a plain audigy, i think D:
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[1:44] <maicod> :)
[1:44] <maicod> good enough
[1:44] <AC`97> owhait, lemme check again
[1:44] <maicod> amazing sound coming from those cards
[1:44] <maicod> mine has gold plated connectors too
[1:44] <maicod> well at least gold colour :)
[1:44] <AC`97> lol
[1:45] <maicod> its probably not gold :)
[1:45] <AC`97> mine is a SB0090
[1:45] <maicod> pci-e ?
[1:45] <AC`97> got it for like $7
[1:45] <maicod> oh :)
[1:45] <AC`97> nope. regular pci
[1:45] <maicod> ok
[1:45] <maicod> I got one cheap brand one lying around too
[1:45] <maicod> its not got treble/bass capability
[1:46] <maicod> thats often with ac97 too
[1:46] <AC`97> indeed
[1:46] <maicod> its just a d/a converter huh
[1:46] <maicod> and uses the cpu
[1:46] <maicod> so it makes the computer a tad slower :)
[1:46] <AC`97> my first sound card was a ISA SB16. best sound card ever. and $$$
[1:47] <AC`97> it could drive 4 ohm speakers
[1:47] <maicod> yeah I got one lying around still
[1:47] <AC`97> i have mine too :D
[1:47] <maicod> it is very large !
[1:47] <AC`97> indeed
[1:47] <maicod> it has great midi
[1:47] <maicod> and loads of chips
[1:47] <AC`97> cdrom-drive-bumpingly large
[1:47] <maicod> yeah
[1:48] <maicod> I used to use the soundblaster 32 ehm forgot its correct name
[1:48] <AC`97> i had the SB16 in my 386, 25MHz :D
[1:48] <maicod> oh damn I was meaning the AWE32 not the SDB16
[1:48] <maicod> sorry ac
[1:48] <AC`97> aww
[1:48] <maicod> I have the AWE32 lying around
[1:48] <maicod> its huge :)
[1:48] <AC`97> SB16 was better ;)
[1:48] <maicod> oh
[1:49] <maicod> and I got the sblive
[1:49] <maicod> and now the audiguy
[1:49] <maicod> audigy
[1:49] <maicod> maybe my laptop has ac97 :)
[1:50] <maicod> I don't think it has a dedicated sound card
[1:50] * AC`97 is probably in your laptop :D
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[1:50] <AC`97> hissin' and buzzin' in the background
[1:50] <maicod> can I see it in windows hardware manager ?
[1:50] <nplus> i'm pretty sure my MB supports AC`97
[1:50] <AC`97> possibly. but you might have to look deeper
[1:50] <maicod> oh well
[1:51] * bircoe looks at his ASUS Xonar Essence STX
[1:51] <dennistlg> best card ever?
[1:51] <dennistlg> look at this http://www.svethardware.cz/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=20487&d=1297256374
[1:51] <maicod> AC`97: its called realtek high definition audio
[1:51] <AC`97> i bet my current sound card has more memory than that >:D
[1:51] <AC`97> maicod: probably ac97 then
[1:52] <maicod> hehe yeah realtek is the cheapo chip designer ;)
[1:52] <dennistlg> have lying around somewhere terratec ews64xl
[1:52] <maicod> dennis: thats the sb16 ?
[1:53] <maicod> funny those simms :)
[1:53] <maicod> my amiga had them :)
[1:53] <AC`97> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TerraTec-Electronic-AudioSystem-EWS64-XL-ISA-Sound-Card-/280942499261
[1:53] <AC`97> ^ get yours here !~
[1:54] <maicod> dennistlg: where are you in Germany? I'm northeast of amsterdam
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[1:54] <bircoe> ISA... wow, I think I have a Pentium 1 motherboard somewhere that could be slotted into!
[1:54] <dennistlg> L?neburg near Hamburg
[1:54] <maicod> ah up north
[1:54] <maicod> sleswig holstein?
[1:55] <dennistlg> maicod the ews 64xl is a lot better than a sb
[1:55] <maicod> AC`97: what will the Pi be doing in your motor ?
[1:55] <dennistlg> no Niedersachsen
[1:55] <AC`97> maicod: 3 wifi adapter and 1 gps. guess :)
[1:55] <maicod> dennistlg: OK (I just guessed that about the card)
[1:55] <bircoe> "The EWS 64 XL is a sound card for the ISA bus of the PC which uses the latest chip technology to provide optimum harmonizing with a modern BIOS and operating system."
[1:55] <bircoe> Love it!!
[1:56] <maicod> AC`97: war driving :)
[1:56] <AC`97> indeed
[1:56] <maicod> hahah
[1:56] <AC`97> except a bit more than wardriving
[1:56] <AC`97> not entirely passive O:-)
[1:56] <maicod> so you transmit your gps location ?
[1:56] <maicod> normally gps is reception only huh
[1:56] <AC`97> more like coaxing packets out of accesspoints
[1:56] <AC`97> :D
[1:56] <maicod> but you can make an uplink so ppl can track u
[1:57] <dennistlg> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul99/articles/terratec.htm here is a good review about the card
[1:57] <maicod> 10baseT :)
[1:58] <maicod> AC`97: i've always wondered if you can be tracked with just a gps receiver but I think it can't since its only a receiver ?
[1:58] <dennistlg> ac97 aircrack wpa crack test gives 89k/secound with pi at 900 and memory 600
[1:58] <maicod> you need mobile phone dialin or such for that
[1:58] <AC`97> indeed.
[1:59] <maicod> ok so I'm safe :)
[1:59] <maicod> got no car with remote tracking features :)
[1:59] <AC`97> dennistlg: i plan to crack wep when the pi is idle and it'll ship wpa handshakes off to a remote server
[1:59] * maicod wants 'privacy'
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[1:59] * markbook looks around and wonders at the irony
[1:59] * maicod hates ANPR otoo
[1:59] <maicod> too
[2:00] <maicod> markbook: /me realises that :)
[2:00] <markbook> *grin*
[2:00] <dennistlg> i have bluetooth and wifi in my car
[2:00] <maicod> if your mobile phone is on in the car the privacy is gone
[2:01] <bircoe> maicod, why do you feel it's nessecary to go round cracking people's wifi passwords and what do you intend to do with them?
[2:01] <maicod> I don't bircoe
[2:01] * AC`97 hides
[2:01] <maicod> it wasnt me :)
[2:01] <dennistlg> (with fake mac adresses) excepts mobile phone
[2:01] <bircoe> whooops
[2:01] * maicod feels he got blamed :)
[2:01] * bircoe redirects question to AC`97
[2:01] * markbook wonders if there's room in AC`97's cabinet under the bar
[2:01] <maicod> hahaha LOL
[2:01] <AC`97> o.o
[2:02] <maicod> AC`97: some routers have a bug and I got a android app that cracks them :PPPPPPPP
[2:02] <markbook> hey, if they start shooting things are going to get messy in here.
[2:02] <AC`97> O.o which what bugs
[2:02] <maicod> wpa bug
[2:02] <AC`97> ooh
[2:02] <dennistlg> thin i have to make a spice modell for udn2981 :-(
[2:02] <bircoe> WPA... it gives up details super quick
[2:03] <AC`97> one time, i cracked most of my neighbors' wifis just so i could get into their modems and figure out their internet connection speeds
[2:03] <markbook> you know, maybe this isn't the right place for this conversation?
[2:03] <maicod> yeah indeed
[2:03] <ReggieUK> INDEED
[2:03] <ReggieUK> :)
[2:03] * AC`97 crawls back into his hiding spot
[2:03] <bircoe> AC`97, that is a complete invasion of privacy
[2:04] <AC`97> well, i had innocent enough intentions :P
[2:04] <bircoe> there's nothing innocent about that...
[2:04] <markbook> bircoe: I suspect you're not telling anyone anything they don't know and won't change anything.
[2:04] <maicod> AC`97: american law enforment is very harsh
[2:04] <dennistlg> secound try to sleep its so hot here. ...
[2:04] <maicod> they arrest u for almost anything
[2:04] <maicod> its hot here too dennistlg
[2:04] <AC`97> i had 3 knives on me once, in a no-knife zone.
[2:04] * markbook realizes who people are aiming at and wonders if there's space behind the piano instead.
[2:04] <AC`97> caught by two officers
[2:04] <dennistlg> have ~30?C in the house
[2:05] <AC`97> they let me go, and let me keep my knives too :D
[2:05] <bircoe> markbook, no but it's interesting to see how he thinks his actions are justifiable.
[2:05] <maicod> AC`97: I mean i've seen alot of discovery/natgeo stuff and it seems a bit of scary to live in the US for me
[2:05] <markbook> bircoe: he knows better and asking is baiting and you know that too.
[2:06] <AC`97> ^
[2:06] <markbook> maicod: let me tell you the girls of NJ beaches are scarier.
[2:06] <bircoe> He's curious about his neighbours net speeds, I'm curious about why...
[2:06] <bircoe> sue me
[2:06] * ReggieUK wonders whether he needs to put the kicking boots on?
[2:06] <maicod> I mean I'm used to our law /police
[2:06] <markbook> Reggie: Im generally against that but I think we've been gentle.
[2:06] <AC`97> bircoe: my internet speeds have been dropping slowly over the course of 6+ years
[2:06] <maicod> markbook: NJ isnt miami beach girls huh :)
[2:06] <AC`97> i figured out that only one person in my neighborhood had faster speeds than me. fiber :|
[2:07] <bircoe> probably because more people are connecting to the same infrastructure you are...
[2:07] <AC`97> everyone else had very crappy speeds
[2:07] <maicod> AC`97: LOL I got 60Mbps now
[2:07] <maicod> cable
[2:07] <maicod> 60/6
[2:07] <maicod> 6 is crap
[2:07] <maicod> upload speed sucks
[2:07] <markbook> the law is the absolute lowest acceptable behavior. I expect higher here because frankly the noise is annoying.
[2:08] <AC`97> i'm supposed to have 20Mbps. only managing 2.2Mbps
[2:08] <markbook> Gee, what can we do with RPis?
[2:08] <maicod> AC`97: I don't mean it bad and its probably my 'foreingers view' but I've heard that in USA the most percentage of population are in jails
[2:08] <markbook> (other than cracking wi{fi|se}
[2:08] <AC`97> maicod: i got to ride in a police car twice :D
[2:08] <AC`97> ... in the passenger seat
[2:08] <AC`97> with the neat laptop and shotgun
[2:08] <maicod> AC`97: ehehe
[2:08] <maicod> oh :)
[2:09] <AC`97> and i got to drive one once
[2:09] <maicod> AC`97: but its not like that you can't live a free enough live without getting police trouble ?
[2:09] <AC`97> people tend to slow down lots when they see a police car... even when it says "not in service" on the window
[2:10] <maicod> that can be a trick :)
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[2:10] <AC`97> lol
[2:10] <markbook> *sigh*
[2:10] <AC`97> maicod: how would i get in trouble when i'm on a motorcycle?
[2:10] <AC`97> it's not like they'd take it apart and spot my RPi with 3 suspicious antennas sticking out of it
[2:11] <AC`97> i also have a video camera and 2 separate gps systems on my bike :)
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[2:11] <maicod> I wasn't meaning your setup/behaviour .just in general if you live in usa if you always feel a little scared of all the rules that you could break and get trouble with the police
[2:12] <AC`97> i downshift a gear whenever i pass cops >:D
[2:12] <maicod> AC`97: you power it from your motor battery ?
[2:12] <AC`97> vreeeeeeeem!~
[2:12] <maicod> oh :)
[2:12] <AC`97> yep.
[2:12] <maicod> is it 12 or 24 volt ?
[2:12] <AC`97> 12 volt
[2:12] <maicod> and what you use to get it down to 5 ?
[2:12] <AC`97> gonna have a relay system to have it shutdown itself gracefully when the ignition turns off
[2:13] <maicod> voltage converter ic ?
[2:13] <maicod> ehm not ic
[2:13] <AC`97> i'm gonna use two of those neat step-down converters
[2:13] <AC`97> one for RPi, one for usb accessories
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[2:13] <maicod> OK I got a vreg here that can do 12 to 5
[2:13] <maicod> it has 3 pins
[2:13] <maicod> one is in
[2:13] <maicod> one is ground
[2:13] <maicod> one is out
[2:13] <AC`97> i hope it's lot linear
[2:13] <AC`97> otherwise it'd have a short life powering the RPi :P
[2:14] <AC`97> not linear*
[2:14] <maicod> when is it linear ?
[2:14] <maicod> well I wasnt planning to use it for my PI anyways
[2:14] <AC`97> oh, lol
[2:14] <maicod> I use it for my arduino stuff
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[2:14] <Gaddel> http://elinux.org/images/2/2a/GPIOs.png this is accurate, right?
[2:14] <AC`97> is it like a 7805?
[2:14] <ReggieUK> anyone tried teh new firmware that was pushed earlier today via rpi-update?
[2:14] <maicod> AC`97: right !
[2:14] <AC`97> maicod: linear.
[2:14] <ReggieUK> with the usb fixes
[2:14] <maicod> I think thats the exact model nr
[2:14] <maicod> oh what does that mean?
[2:15] <AC`97> maicod: i have no clue. i'm electronics illiterate
[2:15] <maicod> LOL ok :)
[2:15] <AC`97> i just blurted out a familiar number
[2:15] <hugorodrigues> ReggieUK: usb fixes?
[2:15] <maicod> its indeed a nr I recoginize
[2:15] <ReggieUK> 7805 are simple linear regulators and not particularly efficient
[2:15] <maicod> reconize rather
[2:15] <maicod> oh OK
[2:15] <ReggieUK> they drop the voltage by getting rid of the excess as heat essentially
[2:16] <Gaddel> is pin 1 on the same side of the marking on the board that says P1?
[2:16] <maicod> yeah its got a mounting hole for a heatsink !
[2:16] <AC`97> so 12v -> 5v = over 50% of the power turned into heat
[2:16] <ReggieUK> so you're better off looking for something a bit more efficient than that if you want to run the pi off a battery
[2:16] <AC`97> it'll make a nice heater.
[2:16] <maicod> ah thats a waste of energy
[2:16] <maicod> ReggieUK: indeed
[2:16] <bircoe> Like this:
[2:16] <bircoe> http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch/dksus.dll?lang=en&vendor=811&mpart=OKI-78SR-5%2F1.5-W36-C&cur=USD
[2:17] <maicod> ah ok
[2:17] <AC`97> ttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140722500871 i bought a couple of these
[2:17] <AC`97> oops, farkled up my url
[2:17] <maicod> yup
[2:17] <maicod> repaste :)
[2:18] <AC`97> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140722500871
[2:18] <AC`97> press up a few times, home, and "h" :D
[2:18] <maicod> wow cheap
[2:18] <bircoe> linear regulators work great where you've got plentyof power... but in a battery powered environment you really need a switching regulator
[2:18] <maicod> yeah lazyness
[2:18] <maicod> bircoe: is AC`97 a switching one?
[2:18] <maicod> the one he uses
[2:18] <AC`97> yep.
[2:18] <bircoe> yes
[2:18] <maicod> cool
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[2:19] <hugorodrigues> i'm not a electronic guy, but there is something like that for having a clock?
[2:19] <AC`97> hugorodrigues: a clock that keeps running when the RPi is off?
[2:19] <bircoe> the ones I linked are a direct drop in for 78xx regs however which makes them handy
[2:19] <hugorodrigues> yup, not network for sync
[2:19] <AC`97> hugorodrigues: search for "i2c rtc"
[2:19] <AC`97> on ebay or wherever
[2:19] <hugorodrigues> thks
[2:19] <AC`97> :)
[2:19] <ReggieUK> bircoe, I believe I've got some of those arriving soon
[2:19] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=ds+rtc
[2:19] <maicod> bircoe: they look cool
[2:20] <maicod> don't they takeup gpio pins?
[2:21] <AC`97> yes, but the same pins can be used for other things at the same time
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[2:21] <AC`97> or so i thought
[2:21] <bircoe> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10160
[2:21] <maicod> oh pass through
[2:21] * AC`97 is so electronics illiterate
[2:21] <maicod> :)
[2:21] <bircoe> not pass through... but close
[2:22] <hugorodrigues> bircoe: expensive :P
[2:22] <bircoe> i2c devices have addresses, you can have many unique addresses on the same bus... it's more like a network than passthrough
[2:22] <bircoe> example... you can get em cheaper than that on ebay :/
[2:22] <AC`97> are the addresses manually settable?
[2:23] <bircoe> usually, depends on the device
[2:23] <maicod> bircoe: as in IP data. it has packets with headers designating what IP its meant for
[2:24] <bircoe> not exactly
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[2:24] <bircoe> but in a round abotu way yes
[2:24] <maicod> OK :)
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[2:26] <maicod> I'm signing out cause I don't do much else than chatting otherwise ;)
[2:27] <maicod> seeya AC`97 and the rest
[2:27] <AC`97> (:
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[2:27] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120819172427.jpg my desktop is boring.
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[2:37] <Gaddel> with IDE cables, does the top row on one side correspond to the top row on the other?
[2:38] <AC`97> yes.
[2:38] <AC`97> just make sure the keys are in the correct orientation
[2:38] <AC`97> or the cable is flat
[2:39] <AC`97> well, i guess it's sorta hard to screw that up :P
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[2:44] <Gaddel> the cable is indeed flat
[2:44] <Gaddel> thanks for the advice
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[2:53] <Crenn-NAS> Yay!
[2:53] <Crenn-NAS> Time to combine a RPi and a FPGA :D
[2:53] <Crenn-NAS> Just because I can
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[4:37] <Scriven> Dunno why I didn't think of looking in here for rpi 'folks'. lol. You'd think after almost 20 years of irc I'd have the shit figured.
[4:37] * Scriven is still in Allied Electronic's waiting-for-stock list.
[4:37] <AC`97> ...
[4:38] <AC`97> i muted the audio output, but i can still hear audio O.o
[4:38] <AC`97> along with lots of static/crackling
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[4:47] <r60> lol scriven
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[4:57] <AC`97> ssh -c arcfour root@ "tar cf - /{bin,boot,etc,lib,opt,sbin,srv,usr,var}"|pv -rapes 995229696 -i0|pbzip2 -9 > rpi.tarbz2
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[4:58] <AC`97> how would i go about getting the size (995229696) automagically??
[4:58] <AC`97> also, like my "-rapes" ? :D
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[5:09] <r60> rapes
[5:09] <r60> call me a noob
[5:09] <r60> but i have no idea what that command does
[5:09] <r60> looks like it logs into a thing
[5:09] <r60> then does a thing
[5:10] <r60> then maybe another thing
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[5:10] <AC`97> ...
[5:12] <Hodapp> I think r60 is right
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[5:17] <btcbuy314> whats a good lightweight WM for rpi?
[5:17] <btcbuy314> tiling
[5:20] <Scriven> AC`97, what language would you be using to parse that line, or something more command-line-esque like sed?
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[5:27] <AC`97> er... no clue
[5:28] <Hodapp> AC`97: So, you have a line like that and you need to parse the size out of it?
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[5:29] <AC`97> oh. i need to get the space used on root
[5:30] <Hodapp> space used on /root? on /?
[5:30] <Hodapp> ~root?
[5:30] <AC`97> / <- root
[5:30] <AC`97> :P
[5:30] <Hodapp> crossing mount points or no?
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[5:31] <AC`97> possibly not
[5:31] <AC`97> i don't think the separate /boot will make much difference
[5:33] <Hodapp> one way: du --max-depth 0 | awk '{ print $1 }'
[5:33] <Hodapp> or: du --max-depth 0 | cut -f 1
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[5:34] <Hodapp> you may need to look at 'du' manpages to be certain of what units it will report
[5:34] <AC`97> eww du >.>
[5:34] <Hodapp> sorry, make that du --max-depth 0 /
[5:35] <AC`97> sounds a bit slow :P
[5:35] <AC`97> i think i would have better luck with php XD
[5:35] <Hodapp> screw PHP
[5:35] <AC`97> disk_free_space() om nom nom
[5:35] <Hodapp> did you want space used or space free?
[5:35] <AC`97> oh. space used
[5:36] <Hodapp> free space is going to compute some possibly different things as it can't cross mount points
[5:36] <Dagger2> you'd think the 'Used' column in `df`'s output would be easier than du...
[5:36] <AC`97> well, the only separate mountpoint i have is /boot
[5:36] <Hodapp> Dagger2: Not really, no. 'du' has a much simpler output.
[5:36] <AC`97> Dagger2: parsing df seems so hacky though D:
[5:37] <AC`97> isn't there some place in /proc with the numbers?
[5:37] <Hodapp> AC`97: parsing df wouldn't be much worse. cut -f 3 instead of 1 and grab for the FS
[5:37] <AC`97> eh...
[5:37] <AC`97> php -r 'echo disk_total_space("/")-disk_free_space("/")."\n";'
[5:37] <AC`97> easier for me XD
[5:38] <Hodapp> blugh
[5:38] <AC`97> eww open_basedir restriction
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[5:41] <AC`97> also, is there any way to make the scheduler less "fair" ?
[5:42] <AC`97> i want a process to have higher priority than the others. setting nice levels doesn't seem to work
[5:42] <clever> AC`97: about all i can think of, is to write your time crital code in a kernel module, and then disable irq's
[5:42] <clever> and remember to re-enable them when your done with your critical section!
[5:42] <AC`97> O.o
[5:42] <clever> but the gpu can still pull the ram out from under you on each refresh
[5:43] <AC`97> what if i just want some script/program to run in idle time?
[5:43] <clever> nice levels can do that, -19 i think is the lowest prio
[5:43] <clever> oops, no thats 19
[5:43] <AC`97> are you sure it's negative? o.o
[5:43] <AC`97> lol
[5:43] <AC`97> it doesn't seem to work well though
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[5:45] <btcbuy314> whats the easiest way to control the gpio pins?
[5:45] <btcbuy314> can i with python or is there a better way
[5:45] <AC`97> btcbuy314: bash.
[5:45] <clever> yep, i often use bash for testing basic things (does the led turn on?)
[5:46] <clever> btcbuy314: just cd into /sys/class/gpio
[5:46] <clever> btcbuy314: http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#GPIO_Driving_Example_.28Shell_script.29
[5:46] <AC`97> or there's always "gpio" from wiringpi
[5:48] <clever> bbl
[5:48] <Dagger2> ok, so apparently the answer is to do something like `stat -fc '(%b-%f)*%S' / | bc`
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[5:49] <AC`97> O.o
[5:49] <AC`97> perfect XD
[5:49] <AC`97> any way to take bc out of the equation ??
[5:50] <Hodapp> bash can do some amount of math, I believe
[5:52] <Dagger2> $((`stat -fc '(%b-%f)*%S' /`))
[5:52] <Dagger2> there's probably a better approach
[5:52] <AC`97> whoa. nice :D
[5:53] <Hodapp> Dagger2: what's wrong with that?
[5:53] <Dagger2> but this is sufficiently hacky that I'd feel bad /not/ using it
[5:53] <AC`97> doesn't look too hacky to me
[5:53] <AC`97> ... as long as it's not trying to parse something out of another tool... :D
[5:54] <Dagger2> well, it is parsing the output of stat, but that ought to be fairly safe so long as you specify the full path to /usr/bin/stat
[5:55] <AC`97> i wouldn't really call that parsing though
[5:57] <Dagger2> uh... yeah, ok, that was a fairly silly statement. I was thinking of putting a stat binary in the search path before the real one, to get that executed with the privledges of the user running the script
[5:57] <Dagger2> but it's not like $((``)) makes that problem any worse than all the instances where you run binaries in the rest of the script, so... yeah
[5:58] <AC`97> indeed
[6:02] <AC`97> oh wow. tar just panic'd my kernel
[6:02] <Hodapp> what?!
[6:03] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/sho02.jpg
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[6:03] <AC`97> or oops'd
[6:04] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120819210145.png i aborted when speed suddenly dropped to 0
[6:04] <AC`97> but i guess trying to tar / was a stupid move
[6:05] <Dagger2> tar does have a --one-file-system argument
[6:05] <AC`97> indeed. didn't think of that :|
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[6:07] <Gabtendo> This concludes my first week in a college dorm.
[6:07] <Gabtendo> Classes start tomorrow morning.
[6:07] <Gabtendo> People down the hall are having sex. The walls are REALLY thin.
[6:08] <Gabtendo> some guy had vodka in his water bottle at the meeting where they told us not to have any alcohol in the building
[6:08] <Gabtendo> oh, and half the people on my dorm floor smoke (there's a campus-wide tobacco ban, including chewing tobacco and the like)
[6:08] <Gabtendo> yay college?
[6:08] <AC`97> ...
[6:09] <hermy> sounds like uf
[6:10] <hermy> but thats college life man, have fun!
[6:10] <Gabtendo> oh man this is messed up
[6:11] <Gabtendo> she sounds like she's getting stabbed to death :|
[6:11] <Gabtendo> do they realize how thin the walls are....
[6:11] <Gabtendo> I have classes tomorrow morning and need to sleep....
[6:11] * Gabtendo brainstorms
[6:11] <hermy> again, thats college haha.
[6:12] <AC`97> i never experienced anything like that :|
[6:12] <Gabtendo> are you serious?
[6:12] <AC`97> indeed.
[6:12] <Gabtendo> This is the *fifth* time this week
[6:12] <Gabtendo> and I've only lived here 7 days
[6:12] <Gabtendo> although 4 of the times were the same room
[6:13] <Gabtendo> I live in a total coed dorm though
[6:13] <hermy> all that is normal, heavy (underage) drinking, smoking, sex. Going to class hung over the next day
[6:13] <Gabtendo> 90% of the people on my floor are girls (not neccesariliy a bad thing...)
[6:13] <hermy> you just gotta manage that with school
[6:13] <hermy> Go get some!
[6:13] <AC`97> o.o
[6:13] <Gabtendo> I'm double majoring in math and physics; as if i had the time
[6:14] <AC`97> why not CS ?
[6:14] <Gabtendo> because math?
[6:14] <AC`97> Corporate Sabotage is always fun
[6:14] <Gabtendo> but I could do that anyawy
[6:14] <AC`97> or perhaps that was counterstrike
[6:14] <Gabtendo> anyway*
[6:14] <Gabtendo> I don't need a degree to code the shit out of something
[6:14] <Gabtendo> I need a degree to get accepted to a grad school for quantum mechanics
[6:14] <Gabtendo> >.<
[6:14] <AC`97> but having a degree turns hobby into moneymaker
[6:14] <AC`97> >:D
[6:15] <hermy> so what sub major in physics
[6:15] <Gabtendo> oh man
[6:15] <Gabtendo> I thought they stopped
[6:15] <Gabtendo> but now they're just making a slightly different noise
[6:16] <Gabtendo> I think they changed positions. #deductivereasoning
[6:16] <AC`97> TMI
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[6:16] <AC`97> got a microphone?
[6:16] <hermy> ....
[6:16] <Gabtendo> AC`97: hey, you don't have to SLEEP to this
[6:16] <Gabtendo> I have to SLEEP here'
[6:16] <AC`97> lol
[6:16] <hermy> why don't you guys get, thats how college is? lol
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[6:17] <AC`97> don't you have a lobby?
[6:17] <AC`97> sometimes people sleep in the lobby :]
[6:17] <AC`97> or watch movies
[6:17] <AC`97> ... or spoon.
[6:17] <Gabtendo> hermy: just a physics degree; there isn't really and undergrad specialized physics degree, gets more specialized as you move up
[6:18] <hermy> what are you aiming for then
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[6:18] <AC`97> atoms
[6:18] <AC`97> or quarks
[6:18] <Gabtendo> hermy: Quantum mechanics
[6:18] <AC`97> quarks then, amirite?
[6:18] <Gabtendo> um
[6:18] <Gabtendo> sure
[6:18] <AC`97> yay~
[6:18] <Gabtendo> We'll go with that.
[6:19] <Gabtendo> although I was bored and made it halfway through a draft of a nerdy article!: https://gabmedia.org/meaning.pdf
[6:19] <Gabtendo> created for no purpose whatsoever
[6:19] <Gabtendo> just fun to make
[6:19] <Gabtendo> for bonus points, the server that the file is hosted on is made highly available by redundancy provided by a raspberry pi
[6:20] <Gabtendo> which hasn't been put to use....
[6:20] <Gabtendo> but still ;)
[6:22] <hermy> only thing I know about physics at that level is the double slit experiment
[6:22] <hermy> which is the most bad ass thing in quantum mechanics
[6:22] <Gabtendo> old physics is old
[6:22] <Gabtendo> >.<
[6:23] <Gabtendo> wave function collapse is pretty basic stuff
[6:24] <Gabtendo> more of a classical physics thing that is a natural result of what we explain in quantum mechanics
[6:24] <Gabtendo> oh thank god they stopped
[6:24] <hermy> yeah, im lost
[6:24] <Gabtendo> bed time!
[6:24] <hermy> give it an hour, cya!
[6:24] <Gabtendo> any last comments/questions/various assundry remarks before I head to bed?
[6:25] <AC`97> play a porn flick. turn up the volume
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[6:26] <AC`97> :|
[6:29] <hermy> so back on topic, AC`97 , you done anything cool with your raspberry pi?
[6:29] <AC`97> not yet
[6:29] <AC`97> unless you consider cooling cool.
[6:29] <AC`97> heh.
[6:29] <hermy> cooling?
[6:30] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cRlxWsZo9gmqi-qp2PX0AvDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
[6:30] <AC`97> cooling.
[6:30] <AC`97> i also tried liquid nitrogen for a short while, but it didn't do much
[6:30] <AC`97> amazingly, nothing cracked.
[6:30] <hermy> thats...overkill
[6:30] <AC`97> not really
[6:30] <AC`97> heatsink still gets quite hot
[6:31] <AC`97> especially at 1.3GHz
[6:31] <hotwings> i should get an rpi for an episode of Will It Blend
[6:31] <Scriven> LOL, an rpi would blend into dust in seconds.
[6:31] <Hodapp> psssh
[6:32] <AC`97> pcb dust -- don't breathe this~
[6:32] <hermy> I would think the heat dristribution on that would be bad, you would need to rise that off the board more
[6:32] <AC`97> hermy: you mean heat dissipation?
[6:32] <AC`97> (heat distribution is actually very even)
[6:33] <hermy> in this situation distribution, its gonna go out to other components on the board that normally wouldnt recieve that amount of heat
[6:33] <AC`97> though the hottest part is still the usb controller
[6:33] <AC`97> actually, they normally would. through the board itself
[6:33] <AC`97> the heatsink actually makes the board cooler
[6:34] <AC`97> the only thing hotter than normal would be the single capacitor that the heatsink is touching :|
[6:34] <hermy> but you still have more heat resistance with the pcb compared to the aluminium
[6:34] <AC`97> i'm too lazy to fix that
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[6:35] <AC`97> o.O??
[6:36] <hermy> the aluminium is meant to take heat and move it compared to the pcb which tries to resist it
[6:36] <AC`97> the pcb was meant to distribute heat too, i think
[6:36] <AC`97> through its ground plane
[6:36] <AC`97> also, the heatsink has a greater amount of surface area at the top than the bottom
[6:38] <AC`97> as this particular RPi is going into my motorcycle, i wanted to make it as rugged as possible
[6:38] <AC`97> -> https://picasaweb.google.com/103853333444314240950/RaspberryPi?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCLbrpZ7sjI_BVw&feat=directlink
[6:40] <hermy> well I think your real problem would be keeping heat away from the rpi, not worry about the heat generated other than the build up its going to get inside that box
[6:40] <AC`97> i'm going to add a fan :]
[6:41] <AC`97> anyways, distributed heat is better than very high heat concentrated on the chips
[6:41] <AC`97> since the heat inside the case would be around the same with or without heatsink
[6:42] <hermy> yeah, but you also have to take the other components into account, that chip doesn't get that hot
[6:42] <AC`97> ??
[6:42] <hermy> its up to you, its just speculation
[6:43] <AC`97> i've heard of people whose usb controller starts malfunctioning when it gets hot
[6:44] <btcbuy314> anyone know a good raspberry pi alternative thats more powerfull?
[6:44] <hermy> beagleboard?
[6:44] <AC`97> btcbuy314: what would you use it for?
[6:45] <neofutur> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ak802-mini-android-4-0-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-tf-usb-white-4gb-1gb-ddr-iii-143249?item=56
[6:45] <neofutur> could be an alternative
[6:45] <btcbuy314> as just a desktop computer
[6:45] <hermy> well, your going to start spending more money once you try to step up lol
[6:45] <neofutur> should work wth any arm linux
[6:46] <neofutur> ( not tried yet )
[6:46] <btcbuy314> you think rpi will make a more powerful one soon?
[6:46] <hermy> well your gonna want an x86 proc
[6:46] <neofutur> I hope so
[6:46] <AC`97> btcbuy314: no.
[6:46] <neofutur> need one with 512 mb ram and a real networking
[6:46] <AC`97> well, more memory would be nice
[6:46] <hermy> real networking?
[6:46] <AC`97> hermy: non-usb
[6:46] <hermy> it has real networking
[6:47] <neofutur> the usb network stack seems really shitt
[6:47] <neofutur> the pi is very stable, but not on high network usage
[6:47] <neofutur> not good for high intensive network usage like firewall or proxy
[6:47] <AC`97> neofutur: get a pogoplug :P
[6:48] <AC`97> http://reboxed.net <- pogopluggg
[6:48] <hermy> your not going to want something with low processing power for something like that
[6:49] <hermy> how are you going to use the proxy server, you say firewall, I'm assuming your trying to cache data?
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[6:53] <AC`97> when i put switches/buttons on the gpio pins, do i need resistors?
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[7:02] <AC`97> well, i guess using resistors is more safe
[7:02] <AC`97> just in case i do something stupid
[7:03] <AC`97> perhaps i could even get away with using just one resistor
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[8:18] <Jck_true> neofutur: Hopefully the problems are gonna get solved eventually - But guess we can only wait and see
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[8:19] <neofutur> yup
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[8:43] <Jck_true> Is there a standart unix config file parser? Something similar to getopt()?
[8:45] <Simon`> there are things like gconf
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[8:48] <Jck_true> I guess config files are way to application specific - Never any real defined standarts :)
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[8:51] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, man 1 getopt
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> ah, config files :)
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> traditionally they are line orientated, colon separated so easy to manipulate by shell and C programs.
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> the introduction of the { in xinetd was the start of the end though )-:
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[8:53] <gordonDrogon> samba didn't help by using windows format where you have [block] followed by data...
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> then there's xml )-:
[8:53] <Jck_true> Yeah same with httpd.conf - Starts off pretty logically - Til they add some sudo XML tags :S
[8:55] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: I think it's actually an INI style i'm gonna go for a section for each button - and a general section
[8:55] <gordonDrogon> there's also Berkeley DB format for speed but these are often generated from plain text files to maintanability.
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, INI - that's what I was trying to remember [block] then dat1=foo, etc.
[8:56] <Jck_true> Then theres lua :O
[8:56] <Jck_true> actually - Lua could be a fun exercise
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[8:56] <gordonDrogon> right. spot of breakfast time I think.
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[9:24] <megatog615> anyone ever use ownCloud before?
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[9:28] <megatog615> wondering if it works on raspberry pi
[9:28] <megatog615> the server, i mean
[9:28] <Weaselweb> why shouldn't it work?
[9:29] <megatog615> wondering before i try
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[9:30] <Weaselweb> afaik it's opensource and i expect it does not have inline-assembly. so no reason why it shouldn't work. setup may be tricky as with all bigger software
[9:30] <megatog615> it is actually not compiled code
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[9:34] <Weaselweb> even better
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[9:51] -groupcat- [Global Notice] - Sorry folk, services are experiencing a minor blip in.. well, service. We hope to have that sorted shortly. Meanwhile, identify etc. will not work. Please bear with us and thanks for flying freenode.
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[9:56] <Gadgetoid> Nice job with the git repo, gordonDrogon
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Ah. Does it work?
[9:58] <gordonDrogon> I think I had to do a merge yesterday - it all got a bit confused... still getting to grips with git.
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> I think I need to learn about branches, so I can create a branch of the main code, work on that locally, then when ready do a merge back to create a new release... At least I think that's the way to do it, who knows.
[9:59] <Gadgetoid> Aye, yes
[10:00] <Gadgetoid> Unless you're working in a wider community, where you'd fork and issue a pull request for your eventual changes
[10:00] <gordonDrogon> otherwise I'm just checkin in lots of little stuff.
[10:01] <Gadgetoid> I've only recently used branching in mercurial, never had a reason to do so before??? the merging is the fun part
[10:01] <gordonDrogon> yea :)
[10:01] <Gadgetoid> Although it will be easy for you, because nobody will be making surprise changes to the code
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> I did a clone on one PC, then di a clone off that PC to a Pi. worked on the code on the Pi, but I'd already done some work on the PC, then I checked the Pi's code in then tried to check the PCs work in and there was a clash...
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> I think I need to be more orginised :)
[10:02] <Gadgetoid> Haha, no harm in that! it's what git is for
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> my old rsync mechanisms wouldn't help me, but just tell me what fies were different.
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[10:04] <DarkTherapy> I always save code in Dropbox between my machines..
[10:04] <DarkTherapy> same sort of thing lol
[10:05] <Gadgetoid> DarkTherapy: ??? *shudder*
[10:05] <DarkTherapy> lol
[10:06] <Gadgetoid> Does git have an equivalent to http://hginit.com/ ?
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> there's a lot og it stuff around, I used this: http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/gittutorial.html
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> to get started as well as some pages on hosting a remore repository.
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> *remote.
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> git clone git:// is about a billion times faster than git clone http:// ...
[10:12] <InControl> If you want a ready made repository you can use github
[10:14] <InControl> BTW if anyone with experience with emulators want to help port a BBC emulator then https://github.com/Domesday/BeebEm-AIV
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[10:16] * Tachyon` sighs
[10:16] <Tachyon`> beebem isn't all that easy to port
[10:16] <Tachyon`> it builds but runs like an arthritic snail
[10:16] <Tachyon`> beebem with domesday support is liable to be even slower
[10:16] <Dyskette> A snail with arthritis would be quite something.
[10:16] <InControl> Even worse is that the AIV/Domesday part uses Active X !
[10:17] <Tachyon`> ack
[10:17] <Tachyon`> much as I'd like to see pis running the old domesday system so the current crop of kids can have a look I suspect it's not going to happen
[10:17] <Tachyon`> at least a full set of discs has been recovered, for a while it looked like all that work might be entirely lost
[10:18] <Tachyon`> particularly after the british museum /lost/ the copy deposited with them...
[10:18] <InControl> I have the disc images
[10:19] <InControl> Also have a digital copy of the community images from the original master video tape.
[10:19] <Tachyon`> ah, hrm
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[10:21] <gordonDrogon> can't workout why a Beeb emulator would go so slow on a Pi - I'd have thought it would have been blisteringly fast myself.
[10:21] <InControl> My problem is knowing next to nothing about building emulators
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> however while I've written processor emulators, I've never wttten a machine emulator, so there might be more to it...
[10:21] <ne2k> did they really have full motion video on the beeb in 1986? what processor did it have?
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[10:22] <InControl> the video was played direct from the laser disc to the screen
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> ne2k, it was a bit of a fake - the video was overlayed on the computer output.
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> however as a concept it was very effective.
[10:22] <ne2k> gordonDrogon: so kinda chromakey?
[10:22] <InControl> The laserdisc player included a genlock
[10:23] <ne2k> that's what I meant
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[10:23] <gordonDrogon> I think the Beeb could overlay text on the video, but I really don't remember that well. My last experience was at TNMOC a year ago though - they have 3 players for it...
[10:23] <InControl> http://www.domesday1986.com/ and http://www.microcomputer.org.uk/projects/domesday.html
[10:24] <ne2k> InControl: so it was composite out of the computer into the genlock/video player?
[10:24] <InControl> if you are interested in info about the domesday system
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[10:24] <ne2k> "The project involved compiling and creating facts and figures about the area around each school to provide a comprehensive image of Britain in 1985." I love the idea of "creating" facts ;-)
[10:24] <Weaselweb> anybody else having problems with NickServ?
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[10:25] <InControl> It was a Composite from the laserdisc player and RGB from the computer, mereged together in the genlock.
[10:25] <Dyskette> Weaselweb: freenode services are down
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, there was a broadcast message an hour about about service issues with nickserv ...
[10:26] <Weaselweb> mh, ok. thanks
[10:26] <Dyskette> ChanServ too
[10:26] <InControl> The computer controlled the laserdisc player over SCSI
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> a friend of mine has just moved office ... this is his new one: http://unicorn.drogon.net/ab.jpg to say I'm insanely jealous is an understatement.
[10:28] <InControl> gordonDrogon: nice, I assume the curve is the lense
[10:28] * InControl would like a pick and place machine
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> it's a panoramic shot - I guess a few shots stitched together.
[10:30] <Jck_true> Gadgetoid: Win for using mecurial btw :) I still insist on using bitbucket.org over github :)
[10:31] <Gadgetoid> Jck_true: bitbucket = free private projects, what more do you need :D
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> I just helped one of my clients to get setup with Mercurial too - after they inherited a load of stuff in SVN - it was a close thing between Hg and GIT.. I wish they'd gone GIT now....
[10:32] <Jck_true> Gadgetoid: That you could properly fork projects on github :( Because it seems to be what everybody else uses constantly)
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[10:32] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: you'll pick up hg from using git, and vice versa??? to an extent
[10:33] <Jck_true> I find Mercuial alot easier to use (I don't understand Git at all) - And Mercurial plays alot nicer on windows
[10:33] <Gadgetoid> Just got to remember to type the right thing :D
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[10:35] <gordonDrogon> I did enough Hg to get then going - then left them to it :)
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[10:44] <gordonDrogon> ok. a few things to tidy up on PiLegoTrak before Bristol...
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[10:58] <mikma> i think raspi can't play 1080p video without chopping the image
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[11:00] <mikma> also, sexyyyyyyyy! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/443556734/pio-microsd-adapter-for-raspberry-pi
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[11:24] <gordonDrogon> I saw that uSD thing for the Pi. Looks like he's achieved the goal too.
[11:28] <Gadgetoid> uSD Pi wat!?
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[11:28] <Gadgetoid> Ooo, that's quite cute
[11:30] <Gadgetoid> Although I could probably make my own for $12 :D
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> sure - but what value do you put on your time :)
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> it won't subsequently fit into some cases though
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[11:32] <gordonDrogon> and I notices he's put those silly little heatsinks onto the chips, so that's a #laughable #fail for me :)
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[11:33] <mikma> and why is that?
[11:33] <Gadgetoid> Haha, didn't notice the heatsinks
[11:34] <mikma> i would put one on the network-chip cause it's mad hot
[11:34] <Gadgetoid> Still waiting for my 2nd Pi :( can't test any new OSeseses cos my current Pi is running my bnc and website
[11:36] <Stereo> you could run virtual machines...
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[11:36] <Gadgetoid> virtual pi onna pi, hmm
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[12:08] <gordonDrogon> Hm/ there may be Pi's on-sale at the Bristol Jam thing afternoon...
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> do I want another, or ...
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[13:18] <gordonDrogon> well that's monday morning over and done with :)
[13:21] <reider59> << getting ready for the photography club. Since I once again fixed the puter they use (wiped it clean and started over) I may even get biscuits with my tea
[13:23] <Jck_true> reider59: Lot of girls there?
[13:24] <reider59> no, some women attend but we're there for the trips and info
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[14:04] <shadylog> hey guys
[14:05] <shadylog> is there a build out there for raspberry pi that has a xbmc version recent enough that it has database version 68 => ?
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[14:05] <gordonDrogon> no idea here, sorry...
[14:07] <shadylog> damn :(
[14:08] <shadylog> wish raspberry pi would be merged into master xbmc *snif
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> is xbmc just a set of programs?
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> if-so, then I don't understand what the issues are, but it's really not something I've looked closely into.
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> I must be the only one who's never tried to play media on their Pi ...
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[14:20] <DarkTherapy> nor have I..
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[14:29] <ReggieUK> gordonDrogon, you are not alone
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[14:29] <ReggieUK> I haven't either
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[14:32] <DarkTherapy> I have atv2's for media
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[14:34] <mikma> well i've been trying to play musicvideos with raspi for a while. other than mp4 are choppy as heck (ie. flv)
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[14:38] <gordonDrogon> I have a tube TV for 'media' :)
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[14:39] <gordonDrogon> with a video cassette player and one of those new fangled DVD players :)
[14:39] <InControl> I haven't tried playing video on Pi either
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[14:39] <InControl> Already have a mac mini for that task
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> I hear there's a new "blurry" system out, but I can't see what the point of that might be...
[14:40] <DarkTherapy> I'm gonna go HD-DVD
[14:40] <DarkTherapy> that's the future
[14:40] <InControl> even runs on electricity gordonDrogon
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[14:41] <InControl> I don't really see the Pi as a contender as a media center
[14:41] <InControl> All tho people that think it is going to be a cheap media player are going to be somewhat dissapointed
[14:42] <Dyskette> It's worked beautifully with every video file I've thrown at it.
[14:42] <InControl> Unless of course they are just downloading poor quality low bit-rate films
[14:43] <Dyskette> And it's definitely not because I'm downloading poor-quality stuff.
[14:43] <Dyskette> I've just been a bit careful with making sure they're in formats the Pi can play well.
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[14:44] <MasterGeek> well thats strange, because one of my Pi's has been doing just that withxbmc for the last few months
[14:44] <InControl> Does it play 1080p Blu-ray rips in H264 format ?
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[14:45] <Dyskette> InControl: yeah
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[14:46] <MasterGeek> i dont know i donthave any "Blue Ray ","rips" <
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[14:46] <InControl> I have ripped all my blu-rays
[14:47] <InControl> Perhaps I'll give it a try one day
[14:47] <MasterGeek> it does play 1080p HD H264 with easy
[14:47] <InControl> mechanical disks are so last decade
[14:48] <MasterGeek> ease
[14:48] <InControl> but I'd rather buy a disc than be controlled by some on-line service
[14:49] <InControl> I wonder why people have been complaining about stuttering then ?
[14:51] <joga> I had a difficult time simply finding sample 1080p video clips online
[14:51] <joga> thought I could just google for "1080p video sample test clip download" or such but meh, not that easy it seems
[14:52] <MasterGeek> well some people think wifi is better than ethernet, other think they can use cheap SD cards, there are a number of factors involved.
[14:52] <Dyskette> joga: there's loads on youtube, and youtube-dl is in apt
[14:52] <MasterGeek> search for big buck bunny if you just want to test it
[14:52] <joga> Dyskette I thought rpi couldn't play teh tubes
[14:52] <InControl> html5 is ok
[14:52] <joga> or does it work with .flv and mplayer?
[14:52] <InControl> but not flash
[14:52] <Dyskette> joga: omxplayer
[14:53] <joga> mmkay
[14:53] <Dyskette> youtube-dl will either download or stream stuff off youtube for you.
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[14:53] <joga> well, I'll try some time, the video playback isn't really important to me anyway
[14:53] <MasterGeek> out the box it wont even boot, i guess it all depends on your skill level and how much time you put into it
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[14:53] <Dyskette> youtube in a browser in X is not a winning proposition.
[14:53] <InControl> Still better than crapple TV
[14:54] <Dyskette> Playing media from youtube in console? No problem. Also no problem to fetch media from youtube in console.
[14:54] * RaTTuS|BIG uses http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC and it's fine for what I've tried it with
[14:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> I dont use wi-fi though
[14:55] <MasterGeek> yer wifi kills any chance of a good stream
[14:55] <[SLB]> compiling xbmc from that guide doesn't work to me, at launch it says x is not accelerated
[14:55] <Dyskette> (Really, I'm of the opinion that X on the Pi is not a winning proposition any which way you cut it)
[14:55] <thrawed> Dyskette: ditto
[14:55] <InControl> I don't use WiFi either, never get good results from WiFi
[14:55] <MasterGeek> why you want to compile it, when there is a team of guys that create a nightly build that is accelerated, ?
[14:56] <thrawed> MasterGeek: ahahahahah
[14:56] <thrawed> MasterGeek: you're hilarious.. accelerated x.. ahahaha
[14:57] <InControl> Perhaps I'll give it a go, I was put off by all the complaints
[14:57] <[SLB]> so where's this mystic build of xbmc for raspbian?
[14:57] <MasterGeek> google is your friend
[14:57] <thrawed> [SLB]: there's debs on the forums
[14:57] <[SLB]> that means you don't know, i see
[14:58] <MasterGeek> http://www.raspbmc.com/download/
[14:58] <MasterGeek> its a full image
[14:58] <thrawed> MasterGeek: I don't think that was what he's after
[14:58] <[SLB]> that's another distro, it's not xbmc build for raspbian
[14:58] <[SLB]> indeed.
[14:58] <[SLB]> fail
[14:59] <thrawed> But like I said, there's debs in the raspbian section of the forums
[14:59] <MasterGeek> Raspbmc has a simple UI installer
[14:59] <MasterGeek> thats a linkt to rasp bmc
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[14:59] <MasterGeek> the pi version of xbmc
[14:59] <thrawed> MasterGeek: there is no one pi version of xbmc
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[15:00] <Dyskette> I'd be surprised to find raspbmc using accelerated X and nobody else having picked up on it...
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[15:00] <MasterGeek> i didnt say it was using acc thats an assumption of someone else
[15:00] <[SLB]> hilarious indeed :)
[15:00] <MasterGeek> I said it was accelerated
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[15:01] <MasterGeek> ie using the hardware codecs / driver / blob / wut ever your mind can handle
[15:01] <Dyskette> Yeah, there's no accelerated X on the Pi, in any way shape or form.
[15:01] <Dyskette> Not at present.
[15:02] <thrawed> MasterGeek: are you referring to accelerated video playback?
[15:03] <MasterGeek> im yes, then some fool called me a fool because he assumed that i was talking about acc X when the conversation he interupted was about xbmc for the pi. nothing to do with X
[15:04] <Dyskette> MasterGeek: you said " there is a team of guys that create a nightly build that is accelerated" in response to "compiling xbmc from that guide doesn't work to me, at launch it says x is not accelerated"
[15:04] <thrawed> you'll need to mention video, because most people will assume you're talking about x.
[15:04] <Dyskette> That's not really much of a logical eap.
[15:04] <Dyskette> *leap
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[15:05] <MasterGeek> i did because he said, he built if from src, and it wasnt acc, , and in any case, who are you that i should be answering to you ?
[15:05] <thrawed> also, any distro with omxplayer has accelerated video playback for supported codecs
[15:05] <Dyskette> I dunno, but you're the one answering me :)
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[15:06] <[SLB]> i said "at launch it says x is not accelerated" you replied with "when there is a team of guys that create a nightly build that is accelerated"
[15:06] <[SLB]> who's the fool, lol
[15:06] <MasterGeek> well it is a chat room to help peole solve or find solutions to problems. Are you implying i should stfu ?
[15:06] <thrawed> yes
[15:06] <MasterGeek> NO
[15:07] <Dyskette> We're pointing out that something you said was wrong. That's helping anyone who might read it and get a wrong impression.
[15:07] <MasterGeek> how is what im saying wrong ?
[15:07] <Dyskette> What you're saying isn't; what you said was.
[15:07] <thrawed> what do you think I should add to pi.dnsd.me
[15:08] <MasterGeek> the rasbmx is using the hardware acc codecs ,
[15:08] <arfonzo> So friendly in here.
[15:08] <MasterGeek> init
[15:08] <Dyskette> MasterGeek: raspbmc uses omxplayer, which in turn does, yes. Which is irrelevant when discussing X.
[15:09] <thrawed> we'll never get accelerated x
[15:09] <Dyskette> Probably not.
[15:09] <MasterGeek> happens allz the time , all the trolls sitting there biting at the bit, just waiting to just on someone for grama or a missing comma, but NEVER help anyone
[15:09] <DarkTherapy> what I this "X"?
[15:09] <DarkTherapy> is*
[15:09] <Dyskette> DarkTherapy: the graphical interface, as opposed to the console.
[15:09] <thrawed> unless eben decides to talk broadcom into giving us the blobs
[15:09] <DarkTherapy> ok
[15:10] <Dyskette> thrawed: couldn't someone technically write a generic OpenGLES driver?
[15:10] <thrawed> DarkTherapy: it's used to display a window manager
[15:10] <DarkTherapy> I se
[15:10] <DarkTherapy> see
[15:10] <thrawed> Dyskette: Go on then
[15:11] <Dyskette> thrawed: no clue how :)
[15:11] <MasterGeek> But the orignal conversation wasnt about X , a desktop, or anything to do with it, Like i said that was an assumption on someone elses behalf. I was talking about the nightly builds of Raspbmc < not Raspian
[15:11] <thrawed> all my pi does is display an uptime
[15:12] <thrawed> MasterGeek: *raspbian
[15:12] <MasterGeek> see
[15:12] <MasterGeek> A -Hole
[15:12] <Dyskette> Mine's taken over some minor network tasks that mean I can turn off another more power-drawing computer :)
[15:12] <Dyskette> MasterGeek: that is not really called for.
[15:13] <thrawed> Dyskette: http://pi.dnsd.me/
[15:13] <MasterGeek> Yer, what i need from you then is a complaint in triplicate
[15:13] * Dyskette points to the topic
[15:14] <MasterGeek> you need to keep the cardon copy and then send me the orignal one to i-dont-give-a-toss@your-back-side,com
[15:14] <thrawed> you can't have a comma in there
[15:14] <[SLB]> y u mad MasterGeek
[15:15] <MasterGeek> nah i not mad, son, i seen idiots like you allz my life , kinda use to it
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> right. next stop, Bristol!
[15:17] <[SLB]> maybe you should pay attention to what you read, son, and when people are talking about building xbmc on raspbian, which doesn't work because of non accelerated x, you shouldn't say wrong things
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[15:18] <[SLB]> why would you compile blablabla when there's an accelerated one, are you kidding us and call us troll and idiots?
[15:18] <MasterGeek> i will say wtf i like, when i like.
[15:18] <Dyskette> That's not how this channel works.
[15:18] <[SLB]> also look into the mirror before saying that :)
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[15:19] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: are you bring baked goods?
[15:19] <thrawed> *bringing
[15:19] <MasterGeek> yer i read the topic, and can find nothing about passing all comments through anal retentive idiots first
[15:19] <Dyskette> It's the 'no foul language' bit, dear.
[15:19] <MasterGeek> how is that foul
[15:20] <Dyskette> "a-hole" "wtf"
[15:20] <[SLB]> son.
[15:20] <thrawed> Dyskette: personally I think that rule is enforced a little too strongly on this particular channel.
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[15:20] <Dyskette> thrawed: be as that may, them's the rules
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[15:20] <thrawed> Dyskette: I got banned for quite a while for "sod".
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[15:21] <MasterGeek> wow
[15:21] <MasterGeek> a lump of grass
[15:21] <Dyskette> That's a shame, but does say something of what the standards are supposed to be in here.
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[15:21] <Dyskette> A lump of dirt only when used as a noun, decidedly not when used as a verb.
[15:22] <thrawed> Dyskette: It was used as a noun.
[15:22] <jui-feng> thrawed, add uprecords to that pi uptime counter :) i like it
[15:22] <MasterGeek> i will just stick to freenods policy, and it will all be good
[15:22] <thrawed> jui-feng: ooo, what's that?
[15:22] <jui-feng> uptime records
[15:23] <[SLB]> lol
[15:23] <thrawed> jui-feng: hmm
[15:24] <Dyskette> thrawed: ah, but in a context where it explicitly refers to freshly turned earth, or in a context where the other meaning is more relevant?
[15:24] <thrawed> Dyskette: First
[15:24] <Dyskette> Huh. Well that's a bit silly.
[15:25] <thrawed> Dyskette: Some of these OPs let it go to their heads.
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[15:25] <thrawed> Dyskette: They shouldn't be OP'd all the time either, freenode advises against that.
[15:25] <MasterGeek> or make back calls when there drunk
[15:25] <Dyskette> Not being privvy tho the event, I can't really judge.
[15:26] <ReggieUK> If you don't like how we moderate here, then really, you have an option, leave
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[15:26] <MasterGeek> whos that directed to ReggieUK
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[15:27] <ReggieUK> you, thrawed etc.
[15:27] <trevorman> "Publish your app before 26 October 2012 (Windows 8 General Availability) and you will be invited to the Windows 8 Launch Publisher Programme which will give you access to a range of exclusive benefits including the chance to win an opportunity to meet with Microsoft CEO, Steve Ballmer." <--- ummm yeah... lemme get right on that >.>
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[15:28] * Dyskette goes out to the shops
[15:28] <tzarc> see I'd do that just for the opportunity to ask him "why are you an arse?"
[15:28] <tzarc> remember: developers! developers! developers! developers!
[15:28] <trevorman> lol
[15:28] * tzarc facepalms
[15:29] <thrawed> I'd asking him, what he thinks of the developers song
[15:29] <tzarc> the remix was better
[15:29] <thrawed> oh
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[15:29] <Jck_true> j = i++; is i increased before or after the value is copied to j?
[15:29] <[SLB]> after
[15:30] <Jck_true> Thanks :)
[15:30] <[SLB]> :)
[15:30] <MasterGeek> ReggieUK, i havnt got any problems with how you run your channel what so ever. Maybe a little bewilder at ops letting flaming carry on when someone trys to help someone else, when no one else did. If you haz a policy that only ops can help people i will stfu, and not help at all. Please expound
[15:30] <Jck_true> Wonder why the never added that feature to lua
[15:31] <ReggieUK> I@ve just come back from being out
[15:31] <ReggieUK> so I wasn't here to witness the whole event
[15:31] <ReggieUK> but logs are greatr
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[15:31] <MasterGeek> :)
[15:32] <ReggieUK> however, there were some digs at the ops
[15:32] <[SLB]> i wouldn't have much to smile at after all you said XD
[15:32] <MasterGeek> i only see one op here
[15:32] <ReggieUK> which, essentially, are aimed at me, as I'm pretty much 'banhammer guy' on here
[15:32] <MasterGeek> and i see nothing directed to you
[15:32] <ReggieUK> [14:22] <+thrawed> Dyskette: Some of these OPs let it go to their heads.
[15:32] <ReggieUK> [14:23] <+thrawed> Dyskette: They shouldn't be OP'd all the time either, freenode advises against that.
[15:33] <thrawed> oh look
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[15:37] <shadylog> videos play perfectly on pi
[15:38] <shadylog> just make sure you split memory/video 128mb
[15:38] <shadylog> otherwise you get all sorts of X errors
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[15:51] <ReggieUK> MasterGeek, are you still about?
[15:51] <Scriven> ReggieUK: That just looks like chatter to me, but then you're banhammer.
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[15:55] <ReggieUK> It would be done by now if I was going to do it
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[15:59] <[SLB]> ReggieUK, since you're around, earlier today nickserv was down for quite some time
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[16:00] <[SLB]> if the chan has to remain limited to identified nicks, could be possible to in case add the linked channel to join if the nick can't be registered?
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[16:01] <[SLB]> or just nevermind if it's not important
[16:01] <clever> [SLB]: i just never DC, that solves that
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[16:01] <[SLB]> dc?
[16:02] <clever> disconnect
[16:03] <[SLB]> well that's not the solution but yeah eheh, could always happen to go off or net split, i'm usually always connected too
[16:03] <[SLB]> not really an issue, was just stating a fact that i experienced earlier
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[16:10] <clever> thrawed: the last idiot to try that used my dns name
[16:11] <clever> thrawed: it followed me accross reconects, until i noticed
[16:11] <clever> thrawed: then i discovered i could point the ddos at any ip i wanted :P
[16:11] <thrawed> who would ddos a dns name?
[16:11] <clever> the idiots that went after me :P
[16:12] <clever> (i was hosting from a dynamic ip)
[16:12] <clever> i spun the gun arround and made him ddos his own allies :P
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[16:24] <ag4ve> what's the power requirements? 5vdc +/-10%? at how many amps (full proc / ram)?
[16:24] <markllama> I think it's 1W
[16:24] <markllama> which would mean 0.2A
[16:25] <markllama> but get a confirmation from docs or someone who knows for sure
[16:27] <ag4ve> yeah, i'm looking here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/260
[16:27] <Stereo> .75A is recommended
[16:27] <ag4ve> but i don't see the max current...
[16:27] <clever> ag4ve: there is a page on the wiki showing current draw with different types of load
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[16:28] <ag4ve> and am i correct about the +/- 10% for voltage, or is it <5?
[16:29] <[SLB]> 4.75-5.25
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[16:31] <ag4ve> ok, so +/- 5%. thanks
[16:32] <[SLB]> yw
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[16:39] <Holden> would 2.7V be enough as a high level on a GPIO pin? like this http://imagebin.org/225227
[16:40] <ReggieUK> you would hope so as the gpio are 3.3v :)
[16:40] <ReggieUK> that should be more than enough for a high
[16:40] <Holden> great, I had a link about the minimum VIH but can't find it
[16:41] <trevorman> Holden: http://www.interfacebus.com/voltage_LV_threshold.html
[16:41] <trevorman> 2+V is high so you're very safe with 2.7V
[16:42] <Holden> trevorman, thanks, I have diagrams like that, I was talking about specifically about the SoC on the RPi, I'm quite sure I had a document mentioning that
[16:42] <Holden> or did I read it on the forum?...
[16:42] <trevorman> forum prolly. don't think broadcom have given us those specs :|
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[16:43] <trevorman> we all have is that ARM peripherals doc
[16:43] <trevorman> it should follow the LVTTL voltage ranges anyway
[16:44] <Holden> oh right, I think it was here trevorman http://www.scribd.com/doc/101830961/GPIO-Pads-Control2 bottom of page 2
[16:45] <trevorman> oooo interesting
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[16:45] <trevorman> thanks. not seen that before
[16:46] <Holden> you're welcome, although I think it uses VIHmin when it should use VOHmin... I'll read it again carefully. anyway with 2.7V I should be safe
[16:46] <trevorman> hmm. it mentions output voltage though
[16:47] <trevorman> confusing doc :)
[16:47] <Holden> that's what I thought when I read it first...
[16:49] <joga> hmm, impressive, I now tried youtube-dl & omxplayer to play back some random 1080p video and it ran pretty smoothly
[16:50] <shadylog> joga: yes is indeed is impressive
[16:50] <Scriven> I still find it incredible that RPI will be a better computer for video than any other PC I have in the house.
[16:50] <joga> I didn't try sound though, need to find the usb sound card first under all my junk
[16:50] <joga> does omxplayer also support sound?
[16:50] <shadylog> joga: no
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[16:51] <shadylog> joga: omxplayer is integrated in XBMC which does have sound
[16:51] <shadylog> then the question becomes, do you have a receiver capable of decoding dts?
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[16:51] <shadylog> if so then good for you, rpi can handle the video; the receiver the audio
[16:51] <shadylog> but if not then the rpi needs to decode the dts and this brings stutterings etc
[16:51] <MasterGeek> joga it has sound onboard for output, and also it does sound over hdmi
[16:51] <joga> hmm..
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[16:52] <joga> MasterGeek yeah, but I mean since omxplayer is the only player that uses the hardware properly (?), if it doesn't support playing sound the hardware won't help :(
[16:52] <shadylog> im trying to build openelec against the latest xbmc for raspberry pi based on some new patches
[16:53] <joga> this was the first time I tried out a video file so I don't know much about it yet
[16:53] <joga> shadylog hmm...what would such a receiver be?
[16:54] <shadylog> its cool. I in fact want to use rpi as an alarm/iris scanner or some sort of ambilight controller + network gateway :) too many idaes
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[16:54] <shadylog> any receiver that can handle hdmi
[16:54] <shadylog> like (and this is a very expensive over-the-top-one i guess) Onkyo 609
[16:54] <joga> hmm, if my television (pretty old though) has hdmi, might it support that?
[16:55] <shadylog> could be :) check the internet
[16:55] <joga> I'll check
[16:55] <MasterGeek> Some users including myself have noticed that on some LCD / tv's stuttering can be cleared by starting the stream, and switching the input from hdmi to tv and back again , some tv's in particular if not set correctly in config.txt need to reset for some strange reason
[16:56] <shadylog> yeah there are all sorts of config options for hdmi. Also heard that increasing hdmi power prevents flickering etc..
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[16:58] <MasterGeek> I use a Philips 50" lcd/tv on the pi, and i always have to switch the to pc or tv input and back to hdmi then the sounds 100%
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[16:59] <bircoe> I've tested mine on quite a few LCD's/Plasma's and never noticed any issues... except on my daughters 24" Teac it can't get the overscan right.
[16:59] <joga> internets seems to imply it just might work with my telly, I guess I'll need to try but first I need to find the plain hdmi cable, it's connected to a plain monitor with a hdmi-dvi cable
[16:59] <joga> I just moved so I don't know where all the stuff is ;p
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[17:01] <MasterGeek> im still trying to figure that one out but cycling the input or the power in the tv works everytime
[17:01] <MasterGeek> duno if it will for you
[17:01] <MasterGeek> but worth a try
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[17:47] <megrimm> hello???. can i ssh to my rpi via wi-fi directly? without the rip connected to local network?
[17:48] <megrimm> rip not rip i meant
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[17:48] <Essobi> O_o
[17:48] <lrusak> unless you can connect it to another computer, no
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[17:49] <megrimm> hmmm???. bluetooth?
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[17:52] <Dyskette> I guess you could set up an ad-hoc network?
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[17:52] <Essobi> lrusak: I think he's asking if he can put the rpi and his whatever device into AdHoc mode.
[17:52] <Essobi> Daherp.
[17:52] <Essobi> what Dyskette said.
[17:53] <Essobi> megrimm: why not plug the ethernet into your laptop, and setup the laptop to share the wifi to the ethernet, and now you can get to ALL TEH NETWORKS!!1!
[17:55] <thrawed> megrimm: is your pi connected to the internet?
[17:55] <megrimm> essobi :well i would like to be able to connect to the pi wirelessly without ethernet cable ???
[17:55] <megrimm> yes. via wifi. connect thrawed
[17:56] <Dyskette> megrimm: then you ought to be able to ssh into it if you're conencted to the same wireless network
[17:56] <thrawed> megrimm: just forward port 22 on your router to your pi then
[17:56] <Dyskette> Or indeed, from anywhere if you do as thrawed suggests
[17:56] <thrawed> and then externalIP:22
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[17:56] <thrawed> you can even use a dynamic dns service to give your pi a memorable url
[17:56] <megrimm> i can actually access it fine on my laptop via ssh. buti I'm looking to connect without the router???. so directly
[17:56] <Dyskette> But if you can get on the same network (either wired or wirelessly, doesn't matter) you can just ssh to the pi's internal ip
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[17:57] <megrimm> dyskette: excactly
[17:57] <Dyskette> megrimm: you'd need to look into setting up an adhoc network, then.
[17:57] <thrawed> I could never get an ad-hoc network to work
[17:57] <thrawed> I could ssh over ethernet straight to my pi though
[17:57] <megrimm> k??? thanks. thats what i would do. adhoc network. ill look into it. thanks!
[17:58] <Dyskette> Ad-hoc can be a little finicky, definitely.
[17:58] <megrimm> yeah i can ssh to pi via ethernet directly fine also.
[17:58] <thrawed> megrimm: if your wifi adaptor supports master mode you could set your pi up as the router
[17:59] <megrimm> but pi might end up in box without exposure to cable input. so wifi or blutooth wireless is ideal
[17:59] <megrimm> hmmmm??? ill look into the master mode thing.
[17:59] <thrawed> If it was me, I'd just buy a cheap router.
[18:00] <megrimm> i just ordered one of these
[18:00] <megrimm> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005CLMJLU/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00
[18:00] <Dyskette> Yeah, a cheap router for a secondary network would be a lot easier.
[18:00] <thrawed> megrimm: master mode isn't supported by all chipsets
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[18:00] <megrimm> do you know what chipsets support t off tip of head
[18:01] <thrawed> megrimm: you could use one of these as a router, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007PTCFFW
[18:01] <thrawed> megrimm: nope
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[18:02] <megrimm> cool thanks for the tips!
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[18:16] <ag4ve> will any of the images look for a dhcp lease?
[18:16] <ag4ve> ... and have ssh enabled?
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[18:18] <ag4ve> nevermind, i found it
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[18:38] <KaiNeR> I need a CameraPi
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[18:41] <MasterGeek> XD
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[19:22] <ag4ve> anyone setup wireless? ifconfig -a only lists eth0 and lo, lsusb only lists the root hub and two Standard Microsystems Corp.
[19:22] <lrusak> iwconfig
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[19:32] <ag4ve> i don't have iwconfig ... would this matter if ifconfig doesn't see a device?
[19:33] <darksatanic> If ifconfig -a doesn't show a device, then you probably don't have the driver for your wireless loaded, or you have a hardware issue.
[19:33] <darksatanic> Either way, iwconfig won't help much.
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[19:39] <ag4ve> what should lsusb show? should it show up as wlan0 or eth1? anyone else have issues with it showing up under arch?
[19:41] <normod> ag4ve: it should show the device name and id, not wlan0
[19:41] <darksatanic> lsusb should show you the device -- typically (AFAICT) a name, followed by the type.
[19:41] <normod> ag4ve: you should check what dmesg says
[19:41] <darksatanic> The device name will be dependent on what the driver decides to call it.
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[19:42] <darksatanic> Some drivers will use ethX, some will be wlanX, some will be something else.
[19:42] <darksatanic> Try "tail -F /var/log/syslog", then plug the device in and see what comes out.
[19:42] <darksatanic> (Some distributions use /var/log/messages for this -- check that if nothing appears in /var/log/syslog)
[19:43] <normod> dmesg|tail before and after plugin works too
[19:43] <darksatanic> Sure. I prefer tailing the log files because you get immediate feedback. :)
[19:43] <ag4ve> i was hoping for the integrated one - i have rev b ...?
[19:44] <darksatanic> Err... there isn't an integrated wireless on the RPi?
[19:44] <Essobi> ..... No.
[19:44] <darksatanic> There's integrated ethernet, but no on-board wireless.
[19:44] <ag4ve> oh... thought there was....
[19:44] <normod> ...
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[19:45] <ag4ve> that explain a lot
[19:45] <markllama> *grin*
[19:45] <markllama> I think the gooseberries have integrated wifi but not wired.
[19:45] * markllama hopes that's not like discussing Satan in a Baptist church.
[19:46] <normod> discussing satin in a nylon shop
[19:47] <markllama> oh. in that case...
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[19:47] * markllama has 3 different types of ARM processor, my gooseberry is coming in a week or so and I just missed the NewEgg instant-sellout of the first APC boards.
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[19:48] <Iota> Bleep bloop. Just a reminder I'm still allowing free subdomains on both raspberryip.org/.com
[19:50] <markllama> "Mythic Beasts"?
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[20:13] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, autumn tends to bring out the most aggressive of bugs... not only are we desperately trying to swat away the wasps and horseflies, we also appear to have found a rather unfortunate services bug which cores services. Apologies for the inconvenience, we're working on it!
[20:14] -groupcat- [Global Notice] Sorry folk, services have run off again. We expect to catch them again shortly, after a brief period of network breakage.
[20:17] <ReggieUK> markllama, I'm looking at these atm: http://www.andahammer.com/mini210s-sdk4/
[20:18] <ReggieUK> very interesting little boards
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[20:19] <ReggieUK> dsi/csi ports on it
[20:20] <ReggieUK> with screens/cameras ready to go
[20:20] <RaYmAn> the hardkernel boards also has that (well..One of each ready to go anyways :P)
[20:21] <ReggieUK> I think there are 4.3,5,7,8,10" screens for these with resistive and cap. touch
[20:21] <ReggieUK> resistive OR cap touch :)
[20:23] <markllama> ReggieUK: Oooh more good stuff!
[20:24] <ReggieUK> http://www.andahammer.com/tiny210sdk2-s7/
[20:24] <ReggieUK> bottom of the page
[20:24] <ReggieUK> that looks *very* interesting!
[20:24] <markllama> I was talking to my bro-in-law about the pi's and my speculation about ARM future and I was telling him I expect a lot more Rokuish devices as people determine stable use cases for small computers.
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[20:25] <ReggieUK> there's been a tendency to make a single computer do *everything* and it's really not that practical all the time
[20:25] <ReggieUK> so I agree :D
[20:26] <markllama> There's also been a tendancy to use microcontrollers rather than general purpose computers for turnkey apps and the cost curve of the ARMs is making it commercially practical
[20:27] <InControl> the distinction is a bit blurred when you get arm microcontrollers
[20:27] <markllama> yeah. There are 68K based "micro controllers"
[20:27] <marcusw> tahoe-lafs confirmed working on rasbian, for those interested
[20:27] <ReggieUK> I was just about to say that InControl :)
[20:27] <ReggieUK> marcusw, what is tahoe-lafs?
[20:28] <marcusw> ReggieUK: distributed file storage system
[20:29] <marcusw> written by zooko, brian warner, and a whole host of others
[20:29] * InControl hmm RoyalMail just delivered our post!
[20:30] <ReggieUK> cool
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[20:31] <InControl> tahoe-lafs looks interesting
[20:32] <InControl> I was thinking of a project where hundreds of small computers dotted around would provide a resiliant long term strorage soloution
[20:33] <InControl> I wonder if it stores complete files in each location or just fragments
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[20:35] <marcusw> just fragments
[20:35] <marcusw> (or whole files, if you set it to 1-of-m)
[20:36] <InControl> looking good
[20:36] <InControl> allthough limited to 256 servers
[20:36] <mapu> I've got a question re: shared libraries. If this is better for #xbmc feel free to yell at me,. I have two openelec systems- 1 is ARM open elect for my Zotac. The other is the Raspberry pi build.
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[20:37] <mapu> With Eden- I have two different mysql dbs. Not sure how to either hardcode the db name without a suffix
[20:37] <mapu> or ensure they are the same build.
[20:37] <mapu> any advice greatly appreciated.
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[20:38] <sraue> mapu... our stable and 2.0 betas are Eden and the Raspi builds are development xbmc builds, to have the same database versions you should search in our forum for the frodo builds for your Zotac
[20:39] <InControl> damn so many things to do not enough time
[20:39] <mapu> sraue: Ah- thanks.
[20:39] <mapu> I'll hunt those down.
[20:40] <sraue> mapu for questions about openelec you can join #openelec too
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[20:41] <mapu> sraue: funny. I am in that room as well- and I thought that's where I was asking the Q :)
[20:41] <mapu> monday brain scramble I guess.
[20:42] <mapu> at any rate- then I can just say I am having lots of fun w/Rpi. several more boards coming
[20:43] <InControl> marcusw: where do I find raspbian version of tahoe-lafs ?
[20:46] <marcusw> InControl: just download the source from https://tahoe-lafs.org/source/tahoe-lafs/releases/allmydata-tahoe-1.9.2.zip and run python setup.py build
[20:46] <InControl> ok
[20:46] <marcusw> oh
[20:46] <marcusw> for raspberry pi, you have to install python-pycryptopp before you build it
[20:47] <marcusw> otherwise it tries to compile its own and that fails for some reason
[20:47] <InControl> ok I'll give it a go, seems it might do what I want
[20:48] <InControl> I am creating a modern day domesday project where people can contribute to it, but unlike the 1986 version I don't want it to disapear
[20:48] <InControl> So would like the data on a distributed file system that given the key anyone could take control of
[20:49] <marcusw> uuuuh...that might be what you want then
[20:49] <marcusw> good luck with your world domination and stuff!
[20:49] <InControl> haha
[20:50] <InControl> The fundemental flaw with a community driven web site is that when teh key people die or give up often sites fall off the web
[20:50] <chickey999> any plex fans in here tonight, hoping to get some people onboard to start porting it to the pi
[20:51] <InControl> So if the data is not reliant on a single host then just handing over the keys would make it easy for someone else to take over
[20:51] <marcusw> right
[20:51] <marcusw> the i2p tahoe guys use that idea for their "deepsites"
[20:51] <marcusw> in fact, they have exactly what you're saying
[20:51] <InControl> chickey999: plex is closed
[20:51] <marcusw> with an added layer of anonymity and security to boot
[20:52] <InControl> chickey999: well half of it is anyway
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[20:53] <Dyskette> The server component is, the frontend is not. So it could be possible to run the pi as a client, I guess?
[20:54] <chickey999> InControl: there is a linux version on git. been working with someone on getting that compiled
[20:54] <chickey999> have gotten it to compile but, non running currently
[20:55] <InControl> chickey999: that will just be the client
[20:55] <chickey999> oh yeah, that's all i'm interested in. Pi would make a perfect client
[20:56] <InControl> you would presumably have to run the server part on a mac or something, been a while since I looked at plex as I switched to XBMC
[20:56] <chickey999> yeah i run the server on a linux box (debian) just looking to use the pi as a low cost client.
[20:57] <chickey999> it works really well but it's a waste having a full fat pc/mac as a client when it's total overkill
[20:58] <InControl> Only reason I use a mac mini is that I wanted HD iPlayer and thet didn't work in plex
[20:59] <saivert> yeah. I actually have a server myself so I could probably use the RPi as just a client. But currently I'm experimenting with OpenELEC which means the RPi handles it all. The media library is stored on the Pi and it has to fetch media from network share to play. This is demanding on the CPU but it handles it.
[21:01] <chickey999> I've tried Xbian/OpenELEC and xbmc compiled myself but i've gotten used to some of the features of plex like the ios client and the like
[21:01] <chickey999> not knocking them it's just what you get used to/base your setup around really
[21:01] <saivert> OpenELEC seems to use its own kernel build. I tried to upgrade it from the github repo but then it fails
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[21:02] <saivert> chickey999: yeah but plex is a complete ecosystem. XBMC is not
[21:04] <lrusak> saivert openelec pulls the kernel from the source site and builds it
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[21:05] <lrusak> PKG_URL="http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.x/$PKG_NAME-$PKG_VERSION.tar.xz"
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[21:05] <saivert> yes but that is the vanilla kernel, not the Raspberry Pi kernel
[21:06] <chickey999> yeah can't deny plex is an ecosystem, like i say you kinda buy into it
[21:06] <lrusak> yea, it's then cross compiled
[21:06] <lrusak> what are you looking to do?
[21:06] <saivert> I'm talking about this: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux and more specifically the kernel.img from here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[21:06] <saivert> just looking for a upgrade path for kernel version
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[21:12] <AC`97> is there any way to take advantage of gpio interrupts in bash?
[21:12] <sraue> saivert we use kernel 3.2 in openelec with bootc's patches for 3.2. the one from https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux is 3.1.9 and EOL
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[21:13] <AC`97> i connected an array of 6 buttons, but don't know how to use/read them efficienly
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[21:13] <saivert> okay but what about patches required for the PI?
[21:13] <saivert> blobs from broadcom etc
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[21:13] <sraue> saivert: see http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/06/12/why-i-wont-support-a-3-1-kernel/
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[21:15] <sraue> saivert, the kernel dont contains blobs, the RPi support patches we have included, the firmware (start.elf, bootcode.bin loader.bin) we use is the same as on https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
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[21:15] <KuhMuh> hi!
[21:16] <KuhMuh> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=14936
[21:16] <KuhMuh> check my newest results out :) maybe someone has any suggestions
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[21:16] <saivert> seems like many project have already moved on from 2.6.x kernels
[21:16] <KuhMuh> sumamrized= 2 rpi with exactly the same hardware with wifi dongles
[21:16] <saivert> before it took longer before a new kernel release was adopted
[21:16] <KuhMuh> one gets about 35mbit and the other definitely more than 70mbit
[21:17] <KuhMuh> difference= the 70mbit rpi uses xbian and the 35mbit raspbian but both ran rpi-update
[21:17] <darksatanic> saivert: Well, 3.0 was over a year (and 6 releases) ago...
[21:19] <saivert> rpi-update also updates to 3.2 kernel
[21:19] <prpplague> AC`97: i was waiting to see if anyone would answer you...... you want to use the gpio_keys driver....... http://bec-systems.com/site/281/how-to-implement-an-interrupt-driven-gpio-input-in-linux (or just google gpio_keys - plenty of howtos available)
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[21:21] <AC`97> o.o
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[21:22] <AC`97> prpplague: does this mean i have to C ? D:
[21:23] <prpplague> AC`97: i did not understand your question
[21:23] <AC`97> prpplague: is it possible to use the interrupts in bash??
[21:23] <AC`97> or perhaps even python
[21:23] <prpplague> AC`97: yes by setting up gpio_keys
[21:23] <darksatanic> In python, certainly.
[21:24] <AC`97> hmm
[21:24] <darksatanic> Just read the device in the same way as the sample C code...
[21:25] <darksatanic> ... and it looks like I should be playing with that one myself. :)
[21:25] <AC`97> ...
[21:26] <AC`97> i'm computer illiterate
[21:26] <AC`97> how do i set up this gpio_keys??
[21:26] * prpplague shakes his head and goes back to work
[21:26] * AC`97 cries
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[21:27] <markllama> AC`97: Keep looking. You'll find an appropriate level of understanding and work from there.
[21:27] <darksatanic> AC`97: There's some documentation in the driver source itself (at the top) http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=drivers/input/keyboard/gpio_keys.c
[21:27] * AC`97 looks for an "interrupt-driven gpio for dummies" book
[21:28] <prpplague> AC`97: like i said, just google for "gpio_keys" there tons of basic how to pages
[21:28] <AC`97> hmm
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[21:29] <darksatanic> Plus the blog post that prpplague posted gives you the code to use it -- even if you can't write C, the basics are there to read (plus more examples in the comments)
[21:29] <AC`97> what if i can't read C either? :P
[21:29] <AC`97> i haven't touched it in like 2-3 years
[21:30] <markllama> It's like writing... err riding a bicycle ;-)
[21:30] <AC`97> ... i can ride a motorcycle.
[21:30] <markllama> close enough.
[21:30] <markllama> now imagine pedalling the GPIO pins.....
[21:31] <darksatanic> If you've got any experience at all of writing pretty much any imperative/procedural language, the structure of the code (and the functions to use) should be pretty obvious.
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[21:31] <AC`97> (ewwwww structs)
[21:31] <markllama> the real thing to do is read a set of working samples and experiment. Hey! Cool you have the perfect tool for that!
[21:32] <AC`97> eh, i think i'll just do this the easy way...
[21:32] <AC`97> there goes 20% of my cpu >.>
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[21:34] <AC`97> also, i don't think i have this gpio-keys thing
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[21:35] <AC`97> amazingly, my desktop computer has it.
[21:35] <AC`97> but not RPi
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[21:42] <AC`97> i wonder why the interrupt trigger can be set via bash but it can't be used? o.o
[21:43] <prpplague> hehe
[21:43] <markllama> "set via bash"?
[21:43] <AC`97> yes
[21:43] <AC`97> in that sysfs thing
[21:43] <AC`97> /sys/class/gpio/gpio*/edge
[21:43] <markllama> like "echo 1 > /sys/....
[21:43] <markllama> and... "used"?
[21:44] <AC`97> no way to take advantage of the interrupt stuff that was enabled
[21:44] <markllama> all that does is cause a ping to go high for some period.
[21:45] <AC`97> o.O ?
[21:45] <markllama> some hardware has to detect that and do something with it.
[21:45] <markllama> s/ping/pin/
[21:45] <AC`97> i'm doing this for input
[21:46] <markllama> Edge... means edge detection, no?
[21:46] <markllama> edges are transient.
[21:46] <AC`97> possibly
[21:47] <prpplague> AC`97: so in essence you are going to spend a large amount of time trying to do something the incorrect way, rather than spend a small amount of time learning the correct way.......
[21:47] <markllama> I'm not sure how to write an edge detector but I'm suspicious that the value in sysfs would remain after an edge transition.
[21:47] <AC`97> ...
[21:49] <dreamon> AC`97, I'm interessing, too. Want to make a hardware counter, for some impulses that have to be counted. Interrupt rutine would be the best solution.
[21:51] <AC`97> indeed
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[21:54] <dreamon> AC`97, Found this one -> Each GPIO can interrupt, high/low/rise/fall/change.[5][6] There is currently no support for GPIO interrupts in the official kernel, howewer a patch exists, requiring compilation of modified source tree.
[21:54] <dreamon> AC`97, here -> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
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[21:54] <bertrik> yeah, I wonder how you'd communicate an interrupt to user space ASAP
[21:54] <AC`97> D:
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[21:54] <bertrik> poll or select perhaps?
[21:55] <AC`97> uh.. i think the stuff IS in the kernel
[21:55] <AC`97> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=7509
[21:55] <AC`97> i tried the sample gpio-irq-demo
[21:55] <AC`97> ... it works O.o
[21:56] <AC`97> oh okay, maybe doesn't work too well. gotta debounce :D
[21:58] <dreamon> AC`97, I will take a look on it. Thanks
[21:58] <AC`97> :)
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[21:58] <AC`97> i wish i could read and understand C
[21:58] <Matt> reading C's not too tricky
[21:59] <Matt> if you have the motivation, it's a good thing to learn
[21:59] <prpplague> amazing
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[22:03] <dafu> hi, is it safe to put the pi in a case or does it get too hot?
[22:03] <AC`97> heatsink(s)
[22:03] <AC`97> liquid nitrogen cooling
[22:03] <AC`97> i've done both
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[22:04] <plugwash> seriously unless you are doing some extreme overclocking/overvolting then you should be fine withou a heatsink even in a case
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[22:05] <PhotoJim> dafu: assuming an ambient temperature of <25 C the Pi seems fine in a case. in an enclosed cabinet much warmer than that, you could have minor issues without a fan moving air around.
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[22:06] <MasterGeek> just superglue a copper penny to the top of the cpu
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[22:07] <AC`97> i gorilla glued a lump of brass on the usb controller before
[22:07] <AC`97> it felt like the chip was gonna rip right off the board when i tried to remove it
[22:08] <PhotoJim> MasterGeek: copper pennies in most countries are hard to find :)
[22:08] <AC`97> US ?
[22:08] <PhotoJim> US, Canada for sure. they're mostly steel.
[22:08] <AC`97> huh
[22:08] <PhotoJim> copper coating.
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[22:08] <AC`97> zinc, you mean
[22:08] <AC`97> copper over zinc
[22:09] <PhotoJim> UK ones are copper-plated steel too.
[22:09] <AC`97> the older pennies are solid copper though
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[22:09] <plugwash> IIRC in the UK it has to be pre 1992 to be real copper
[22:09] <AC`97> steel pennies are worth hundreds
[22:09] <PhotoJim> Canadian pennies are 94% steel.
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[22:09] <normod> heh I read Canadian panties
[22:09] <AC`97> ...
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[22:10] <PhotoJim> US is copper-plated zinc, I see.
[22:10] <PhotoJim> Canadian pennies are gone as of February 2013 anyway.
[22:10] <PhotoJim> unless you hoarde them or buy them by the bag off eBay...
[22:10] <AC`97> PhotoJim: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-1943-S-OVER-S-LINCOLN-STEEL-PENNY-BU-MINT-RARE-ERROR-COIN-DOUBLED-S-/110844250127
[22:10] <AC`97> steel ^_^
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[22:10] <PhotoJim> v1ntag3 p3nn1e5 5 for $5!
[22:11] <PhotoJim> yeah, I remember those. I used to collect coins.
[22:12] <mranostay> d0nt typ3 l1k3 4n 1d10t... <-- this
[22:12] <PhotoJim> it was to make a joke/point.
[22:12] <AC`97> 0rly
[22:12] <PhotoJim> I even punctuate.
[22:12] <PhotoJim> and use capitals.
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[22:24] <Crollalfa> Hello! A question. Is it possible to install any software on the pi, or are there some restrictions because of the ARM processor?
[22:24] <mranostay> heh
[22:24] <AC`97> ...
[22:24] <mranostay> Crollalfa: well it has to be built for ARM for one
[22:24] <PhotoJim> anything that compiles for ARM will install. if you want to play World of Warcraft... maybe not.
[22:24] <KuhMuh> any software that is compatible with arm
[22:24] <AC`97> :D
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[22:25] <thresh> is RPi fully open-source?
[22:26] <PhotoJim> thresh: some of the hardware drivers are not entirely open source yet.
[22:26] <thresh> what is the ETA?
[22:26] <Crollalfa> Ahh, I C.. Will it make things more possible if don't use the packages, but compile it my self?
[22:27] <PhotoJim> thresh: Not sure. I assume someone will try to reverse engineer it, but that takes time.
[22:27] <PhotoJim> Crollalfa: typically if Linux packages already compile, they will be available in Debian and/or Raspbian.
[22:27] <PhotoJim> Crollalfa: so I don't think building from source will increase your success necessarily.
[22:28] <thresh> uhm, too bad
[22:28] <PhotoJim> it's pretty well supported so far.
[22:28] <PhotoJim> very large stuff like OpenOffice/LibreOffice is probably not worth the attempt. But you could try.
[22:28] <thresh> ...and when those are not?
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[22:29] <Crollalfa> PhotoJim: Ok.. Thanks for your helpfull answers!
[22:29] <PhotoJim> thresh: if they compile now, they should be in. if they don't, and you're willing and able to help, you could probably join the distro project and work on it for the benefit of the community.
[22:29] <PhotoJim> Crollalfa: NP
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[22:29] <PhotoJim> thresh: oh sorry, you mean the drivers
[22:29] <PhotoJim> I'm sure someone is... but I haven't researched it
[22:29] <PhotoJim> typically, popular closed-source hardware gets reverse engineered
[22:30] <lrvick> Anyone know why i can't talk to an i2c device that plainly exists? http://pastie.org/4544711
[22:30] <PhotoJim> unless the manufacturer releases specs or an open source driver for it
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[22:34] <bertrik> which call fails? the open or the ioctl?
[22:34] <lrvick> ioctl
[22:34] <bertrik> Can you try to access it without using the ioctl to set the slave address?
[22:35] <bertrik> What kind of error does the ioctl return?
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[22:35] <lrvick> printf("Unable to find Nunchuck device\n");
[22:35] <lrvick> gets called
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[22:36] * bertrik should try i2c on the pi, should have an RTC or temperature sensor somewhere
[22:36] <lrvick> so its... > 0
[22:36] <lrvick> this python code hwoever, actualyl connects to it, and dumps data http://pastie.org/4558252
[22:36] <bertrik> I think you can get more detailed info ith strerror(errno) IIRC
[22:37] <lrvick> can you edit that paste to show me what that would look like? never used it.
[22:37] <lrvick> really new to c, sorry
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[22:42] <bertrik> I'm wondering now whether open takes 2 or 3 arguments
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[22:51] <lrvick> hmmm
[22:53] <AC`97> ZzZZZZzzz
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[23:02] <AC`97> it looks like the gpio interrupt method of reading input isn't very accurate
[23:02] <AC`97> or perhaps i'm just doing it wrong
[23:02] <habstinat> I'm new to ssh. I've set it up so I can ssh locally to my Pi provided that I'm connected to the same network using 192.168.1.x, but I'm a bit confused on how to set this up with a public IP address. Is there a guide, or can someone give me some pointers please?
[23:03] <AC`97> habstinat: i think you need to set up your modem/router for that
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[23:03] <AC`97> do other computers on your network have internet ip addresses?
[23:04] <mranostay> habstinat: 192.168.1.x isn't a public address :)
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[23:05] <Davespice> evening folks
[23:05] <ladoga> 192.168.xxx.xxx are LAN adresses
[23:06] <Davespice> is there anyone here that could help me with a opengl-es problem on the Pi... I'm trying to work out how to create a depth buffer in my set up code, pm me, cheers :)
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[23:06] <ladoga> to access these thru WAN adress (ie. from the internets) you need to configure your modem/router to do that
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[23:09] <ladoga> to feature youd be searching is probably called "port forwarding" on routers config page...just set external port 22 (or whatever you wish to use for ssh) to point to whatever ip adress and port you want in the LAN side
[23:09] <ladoga> the*
[23:10] <AC`97> i thought he wanted an internet ip though o.o
[23:10] <AC`97> every device in my house has an internet ip. including my roku video player :D
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[23:10] <AC`97> as well as my power distribution unit (baaaad)
[23:11] <lrvick> bertrik: found the spec doc: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/i2c/dev-interface
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[23:12] <ladoga> then just ssh <router's WAN IP> to connect to your raspi from the internet
[23:13] <Gadgetoid> Looks like the uSD adaptor is doing well :D closing on 8x its target
[23:13] <ladoga> ??SD?
[23:14] <AC`97> ??
[23:14] <AC`97> ??.??
[23:14] <Gadgetoid> ladoga: :P
[23:14] <Gadgetoid> this one: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/443556734/pio-microsd-adapter-for-raspberry-pi
[23:14] <ladoga> thanks
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[23:16] <AC`97> lolwot, i made one of those
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[23:17] <AC`97> psh, mine is lower profile
[23:17] <ladoga> Gadgetoid: btw. is there micro symbol in UK/US keyboards...in nordic it's altgr+m
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> ?? don't say :D
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> Works on a Mac, too, handy
[23:18] <ladoga> :)
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> Thanks for the protip :D
[23:18] <AC`97> ??.??
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> I'll probably forget
[23:18] <Gadgetoid> I'm just doing a ??blog about the ??sd adaptor
[23:19] <Gadgetoid> Is that a ??sb port?
[23:19] <AC`97> sh??t ??p.
[23:19] <TeeCee> Phew, I'm glad I'm using UTF-8 and Unicode...
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[23:27] <btcbuy314> AC`97: how did you make one of those?
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[23:31] <AC`97> btcbuy314: perfboard + tiny wires
[23:31] <AC`97> and gorilla glue :D
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[23:32] <AC`97> and copper strips
[23:32] <btcbuy314> and it fits in that small?
[23:32] <AC`97> yes
[23:32] <btcbuy314> cool
[23:32] <steve_rox> random question for anyone viewing chat , using a hdmi cable to VGA could i display the PI on a vga compatible lcd? the ebay auctions (not pc) so im confused.
[23:32] <AC`97> the microsd card actually fits on the side with the pins
[23:32] <mongrelion> <+btcbuy314> and it fits in that small? <- :if you know what I mean:
[23:32] <AC`97> "that's what she said" ?
[23:33] <AC`97> steve_rox: false.
[23:33] <AC`97> or i think false.
[23:33] <AC`97> not sure if the pi's hdmi outputs analog too
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[23:34] <btcbuy314> on the side with the pins? did you solder right onto the board or something
[23:34] <steve_rox> hmmmm
[23:34] <AC`97> steve_rox: is it a cable, or an actual converter box?
[23:34] <AC`97> btcbuy314: no modifications to RPi
[23:34] <AC`97> nor to card
[23:35] <steve_rox> its just a cable
[23:35] <btcbuy314> AC`97: do you have a picture?
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[23:35] <AC`97> steve_rox: i don't think it'll work, but you're welcome to try ^_^
[23:35] <steve_rox> hmmmmz
[23:37] <AC`97> btcbuy314: hmm. no pictures yet
[23:37] <steve_rox> www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HDMI-Gold-Plated-to-S-VGA-TV-Converter-Adapter-Video-Cable-HDTV-DVD-Playstation-/290706449241?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item43af746359
[23:37] <steve_rox> cable in question
[23:38] <AC`97> btcbuy314: you're welcome to take a look at my other useless pictures though
[23:38] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/103853333444314240950/RaspberryPi?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCLbrpZ7sjI_BVw&feat=directlink
[23:38] <AC`97> steve_rox: i don't think it'll work
[23:39] <steve_rox> i just saw someone use a much smaller addapter out of their pi to vga
[23:39] <steve_rox> pittty i lost the pic tho heh
[23:39] <AC`97> indeed.
[23:40] <AC`97> steve_rox: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007KEIRNG/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d1_i2?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE ?
[23:40] <AC`97> be careful with those though. it might let the magic smoke out of some of your chips
[23:41] <steve_rox> sounds exsiteing
[23:41] <AC`97> indeed
[23:41] <steve_rox> i have 2 spare vga lcd displays lay on ma floor doing nothing
[23:41] <AC`97> no dvi?
[23:41] <steve_rox> dont think so
[23:41] <AC`97> go check
[23:42] <AC`97> an hdmi to dvi cable would work.
[23:42] <steve_rox> i have one large ish CRT tv that displays the pi but the pixels are so huge its eye strain
[23:43] <steve_rox> better search out that display
[23:45] * prpplague (~danders@ Quit (Quit: Leaving)
[23:51] * jui-feng (~jui-feng@port-92-201-27-109.dynamic.qsc.de) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
[23:53] * Mr_Sheesh (~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054) Quit ()
[23:54] <trumee> clever: ping
[23:54] <InControl> trumee: Request timed out
[23:56] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:57] * PiBot sets mode +v IT_Sean
[23:57] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
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[23:58] <habstinat> ladoga: OK, so what protocol should I use when adding the ports to my router config (TCP, UDP, ICMP, GRE, ESP, AH, or Other)?
[23:58] * Megaf (~Megaf@unaffiliated/megaf) Quit (Read error: Operation timed out)
[23:59] <habstinat> ladoga: This is for the SSH port forwarding, by the way; sorry for the late response.
[23:59] <InControl> TCP
[23:59] <ladoga> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers
[23:59] <IT_Sean> DING DING DING!!!

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