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IRC Log for 2012-08-21

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[0:00] <IT_Sean> Congrats ladoga... you've linked to the nerdiest wikipedia page of the day!
[0:00] <IT_Sean> :p
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[0:00] <AC`97> ...
[0:00] <PhotoJim> and when an op says it, it must be true :)
[0:00] <IT_Sean> lol
[0:00] <IT_Sean> hi guys
[0:00] <IT_Sean> (and gals)
[0:01] <AC`97> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicubic_interpolation
[0:01] <steve_rox> hello
[0:01] <PhotoJim> (and sexually indeterminate visitors)
[0:01] <IT_Sean> Aye, that too
[0:01] <AC`97> :]
[0:01] * AC`97 buzzes in the background
[0:01] * IT_Sean earths AC`97
[0:01] <habstinat> ladoga: So I should set port 22 as the source and destination port?
[0:02] * AC`97 shorts and lets out the magic smoke
[0:02] * IT_Sean sighs, and goes to get the smoke repacking kit
[0:02] <AC`97> O.o
[0:02] * IT_Sean entirely rewires AC`97 and fills him back up with magic smoke
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[0:02] * AC`97 is aliveeeee!~
[0:02] <ladoga> habstinat: if you wish.. you can also use some other port, but 22 is default for ssh
[0:02] <kuhno> when trying to compile wine it says, Thumb is not supported by my compiler. some ideas how to get it running? (debian running on rpi)
[0:02] <IT_Sean> If you stop buzzing, i'll stop fiddling with your circuitry
[0:02] <InControl> No disasemble johnny five
[0:03] * AC`97 crackles
[0:03] <Matt> for those who want a list of port numbers without having to fire up a browser, just check out /etc/services
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[0:03] * IT_Sean sighs
[0:03] <ladoga> so to keep it simple..yes 22 both ways is fine
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[0:03] * IT_Sean sticks AC`97 in the reflow oven for a few minutes, with it set to 'frelling hot'
[0:03] <AC`97> D:
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[0:04] * IT_Sean takes AC`97 out of the reflow oven, and plugs him back in
[0:04] <ladoga> but if you need to have it more secure then it's good to use something else
[0:04] <InControl> reflow oven AKA converted toaster
[0:04] <IT_Sean> Aye
[0:05] <ladoga> and then you'll have to define that port when connecting with ssh
[0:05] <ladoga> 22 works "out of the box" as that's the default for ssh
[0:05] * Matt prefers to keep ssh on port 22
[0:06] <Matt> although I'll typically add an iptables rule to throttle connection attempts
[0:06] <Matt> if it's internet facing that is
[0:06] * ladoga too
[0:06] <ladoga> and i use danyhosts for the same purpose
[0:07] <Matt> there are solutions out there that'll add iptables rules to drop traffic from IPs that are repeatedly attempting to connect
[0:07] <Matt> but that's open for abuse
[0:07] <habstinat> ladoga: So even after setting up a "Port Forwarding Rule" on my router named "SecureShell" with "
[0:07] <ladoga> denyhosts*
[0:07] <habstinat> ladoga: Sorry, there was a linebreak in the paste, hold on
[0:07] <PhotoJim> I generally use a non-standard port for public IPs and 22 plus my non-standard port for private IPs. helps a little. and I'm used to doing it that way.
[0:08] <habstinat> ladoga: So even after setting up a "Port Forwarding Rule" on my router named "SecureShell" with "
[0:09] <habstinat> ladoga: So even after setting up a "Port Forwarding Rule" on my router named "SecureShell" with "TCP 22 -> 22" and getting the IP address from my Pi by visiting <http://whatsmyip.net/>, when connecting to that IP from my other computer I get "ssh: connect to host 74.108.39.155 port 22: Connection refused". Any ideas?
[0:10] <InControl> you can't connect from inside
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[0:10] <InControl> if you are inside the network you have to use the local address
[0:10] <InControl> you can only use the external IP from outside your network
[0:10] <InControl> otherwise your firewall sees it as a rebinf
[0:10] <PhotoJim> habstinat: use 127.0.0.1 (or ::1 if you're using IPv6, which you're very likely not)
[0:11] <habstinat> InControl: Oh, I see. So if I, for example, connect to my iPhone's tethering network from my computer I will be able to do it now?
[0:11] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[0:11] <InControl> rebind attack
[0:11] <InControl> yes if you used your iphone to connect that would work
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[0:15] <btcbuy314> how do i connect to the gpio pins ? a button? as soona s i pressed it the pi rebooted
[0:15] <Beakster> Hi, can anyone help me get wireless internet working on my Pi with Raspbian? I've got my adapter recognised but it always says "No Scan Results" when I do an iwlist scan
[0:15] <ladoga> unless your iphone is connected via wifi to your router...you need to be on another network (ie. your mobile connection)
[0:15] <AC`97> Beakster: one of those tiny adapters??
[0:15] <AC`97> if so, you need to do some compiling.
[0:15] <Beakster> AC`97, I have 2 wireless adapters here, one is very small, one is very big
[0:15] <Beakster> both behave the same
[0:16] <AC`97> what does "lsusb" show when they're plugged in??
[0:16] <Beakster> ive tried with both connected to a powered USB hub
[0:16] <techsurvivor> did you hook your button from output to ground or something?
[0:16] <techsurvivor> with no load of any sort? that's probably not a good idea
[0:16] <Beakster> ok, the small one shows...
[0:16] <AC`97> ^ lol
[0:16] <Beakster> ralink tech, RT5370 wireless
[0:17] <Beakster> the big one shows:
[0:17] <Beakster> Realtek, RT8187 wireless adapter
[0:17] <AC`97> use the big one
[0:17] <Beakster> ok, its hooked up now
[0:17] <Beakster> ifconfig shows me wlan1
[0:17] <dafu> i think you need to sudo the iwlist scan otherwise it just gives you the results of the last scan
[0:17] <InControl> btcbuy314: have you looked at the interfacing articles in the magpi magazine ?
[0:17] <AC`97> Beakster: RTL8187
[0:17] <Beakster> xD
[0:18] <Beakster> dafu, you're right!
[0:18] <Beakster> doh!
[0:18] <Beakster> now I got a big list of them
[0:18] <AC`97> indeed
[0:18] <dafu> had the same prob ones took me ages to figure that one out
[0:18] <Beakster> thanks guys, i'll have a shot at the rest of it myself... out of interest, why shouldn't i use the small one with the RT5370 chipset?
[0:18] <AC`97> oh. no clue
[0:19] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
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[0:19] <AC`97> plug both of them in (:
[0:19] <AC`97> the most i've tried was 3 at one time
[0:20] <Beakster> trying just the small one now, it shows no scan results, even with sudo
[0:20] <AC`97> i'm not sure whether i want 2 or 3 in my finished product
[0:20] <InControl> btcbuy314: http://www.themagpi.com/ see issue 2 for information on using a button with gpio.
[0:20] <AC`97> Beakster: small one probably needs a module compiled
[0:20] <AC`97> nasty stuff :P
[0:20] <Beakster> i read on the wiki that the latest Raspbian should support it, and earlier ones would need firmware downloaded
[0:20] <Beakster> i
[0:21] <Beakster> i'll have a play around and see what i can find, thanks
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[0:26] <btcbuy314> InControl: thanks! also what strength resistor do i need, anyone know off hand? for a standard led or button
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[0:26] <AC`97> btcbuy314: 1K
[0:26] <AC`97> for button
[0:26] <InControl> btcbuy314: the values in the article will be fine for a typical LED
[0:26] <AC`97> i use 8K, just in case . . .
[0:27] <AC`97> i have 6 buttons share an 8K resistor, but i only need to press one at a time...
[0:28] <InControl> btcbuy314: if you are new to this then probably best to follow the circuit in the article
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[0:30] <InControl> There are 3 articles
[0:30] <AC`97> i dislike the python loop
[0:30] <AC`97> doesn't that take up 100% cpu?
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[0:31] <InControl> yes it does, what would you suggest ?
[0:31] <AC`97> interrupts
[0:31] <InControl> There is no inturrupt support
[0:31] <AC`97> yes there is
[0:31] <InControl> at least there wasn't when that was written
[0:32] <AC`97> i just experimented. turns out that there's interrupt support in the current kernel
[0:32] <AC`97> but i'm computer illiterate, and don't know how to use it
[0:32] <InControl> as the GPIO library used the file system export
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[0:33] <InControl> AFIK the current GPIO library now uses a better method but still no support for inturrupts
[0:33] <InControl> for Python this is
[0:33] <AC`97> hmm
[0:33] <lolo3> I am using a raspberry pi to control an RC car. If I toggle forward and reverse fast, the car seems to die. Is this a problem with the servo not being able to handle moving forward and back so fast?
[0:33] <AC`97> i guess i can write a small C program that halts until an interrupt is received...
[0:34] <AC`97> and then call it from python? O.o
[0:34] <habstinat> InControl: Could you try connecting to 74.108.39.155 to see if you at least get a password prompt? I haven't been having much luck.
[0:34] <AC`97> habstinat: no password prompt
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[0:34] <InControl> habstinat: no resposnse
[0:35] <InControl> what firewall do you have sometimes you have to set both a port forwarding rule and a firewall rule
[0:35] <InControl> lolo3: how do you mean die ?
[0:36] <lolo3> stops moving
[0:36] <lolo3> i cant turn
[0:36] <lolo3> the lights on the car blink
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[0:36] <lolo3> I think that is the signal that I KILLED SOTHING
[0:36] <habstinat> InControl: I have my Verizon router's firewall; I tried setting it to "minimum security", maybe now it will work?
[0:37] <lolo3> opps caps
[0:37] <lolo3> I can power cycle the car and things get back to normal however
[0:37] <InControl> lolo3: so if you pause and start again it is ok ?
[0:37] <lolo3> waiting does not seem to fix it... only power cycle
[0:38] <InControl> lolo3: you have to power cycle, seems odd
[0:38] <InControl> habstinat: this ssh server is on what ?
[0:38] <habstinat> InControl: A Raspberry Pi of course
[0:38] <lolo3> ill do it again...
[0:39] <InControl> habstinat: I assume you haven't enabled a firewall on the pi
[0:40] <habstinat> InControl: No, I just have Arch Linux ARM and I've only installed a few applications, none of which were firewalls
[0:40] <InControl> habstinat: and that you can connect to it locally on your network using its private IP address
[0:40] <habstinat> InControl: Yup, in fact I am connected to it right now locally
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[0:40] <InControl> then there must be something in your routers firewall blocking it.
[0:41] <InControl> So you have set a port forward rule to forward TCP 22 to the private IP address of the Pi
[0:42] <[SLB]> some routers don't support the loopback interface, that said, even if everything it's configured correctly, if you are from within your lan, and try to connect to yourself using your public ip, the router doesn't understand how to forward packets back to you
[0:42] <habstinat> InControl: Y'know, I was messing with Hamachi on the Pi earlier and I think it is still on. I'll try that
[0:45] <InControl> habstinat: better, now getting a connection refused
[0:46] <habstinat> InControl: I was actually in mid-reboot when you were connecting
[0:46] <InControl> getting the prompt now
[0:46] <habstinat> InControl: :)
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[0:47] <InControl> lolo3: how are you controlling the servo, and how are you changing direction ?
[0:48] <lolo3> connecting to a solder joint on the rc's pcb
[0:49] <habstinat> InControl: I just set up a test user; username "ssh" and password "raspberry". As a gift for helping me y'alls can connect to it and do whatever until I turn off the Pi (this should be secure, right?)
[0:49] <lolo3> i am useing a transitor to connect vcc power to contacts
[0:49] <InControl> lolo3: oh i see, so the Pi is operating the remote controller
[0:50] <lolo3> the not remote... the car itslef
[0:50] <lolo3> not the*
[0:50] <InControl> lolo3: confused, is it a wireless remote control car ?
[0:50] <lolo3> I got the car used... came with no remote :P
[0:51] <lolo3> but its a wireless car
[0:51] <lolo3> http://p.twimg.com/A0xpq5NCQAAh3nc.jpg:large
[0:51] <lolo3> http://p.twimg.com/A0xptEJCUAA98vm.jpg:large
[0:51] <InControl> right so you have attached the Pi direct to the car
[0:51] <lolo3> http://p.twimg.com/A0xpvu7CUAAOdnn.jpg:large
[0:51] <dennistlg> lolo3 do you have gsm/umts on your pi?
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[0:51] <lolo3> Im a noob :( dont know what that is...
[0:52] <lolo3> gsm as in the phone?
[0:52] <dennistlg> surf stick over mobile data conection
[0:52] <dennistlg> yes
[0:52] <lolo3> no its hooked up with a wiimote over bluetooth :P
[0:52] <InControl> lolo3: so somehow you have figured out how to hack into the PWM controllers for the servo ?
[0:52] <lolo3> yes
[0:53] <lolo3> i think ... :P
[0:53] <dennistlg> lol3 nice
[0:53] <InControl> lolo3: so what do you do to change direction ?
[0:54] <habstinat> In celebration of setting up port forwarding for ssh on my Pi, y'alls can connect to it for free and do whatever you want (obviously with a limited user) until I turn off the Pi with the following command: "ssh ssh@192.168.1.18". The password is "raspberry".
[0:54] <lolo3> vcc to contact turns one way... ground to contact turns the other way
[0:55] <lolo3> its called vcc right...?
[0:55] <InControl> lolo3: and it is this transition that causes it to fail ?
[0:55] <lolo3> no not the turning... the bock and frth
[0:55] <lolo3> back and forth
[0:55] <InControl> so my question is how do you change it from forward to backward
[0:57] <lolo3> there is a diffrent contact for both forward and backword , i just connect vcc to the contact
[0:57] <InControl> ok
[0:57] <Dagger2> inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 scopeid 0x10<host>
[0:58] * Dagger2 notes that habstinat is, in fact, using IPv6
[0:58] <[SLB]> are you using the transistors as switches/relais to direct the vcc?
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[1:00] <InControl> Without looking closer at the design of the controller I'm out of ideas
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[1:02] <InControl> it may simply be that it can not cope with a fast transition, if you think about it using a controller you move a switch that would pass from one connection to no connection and then to the other.
[1:02] <InControl> If you transistion to quick the controller may see both terminals high togetrher and not be able to deal with it.
[1:03] <InControl> you will probably have to put a few microsecond delay inbetween transitions
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[1:05] <habstinat> habstinat: Whoops, that command was supposed to be "ssh ssh@74.108.39.155". I accidentally pasted the local IP and just realized it.
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[1:26] <AC`97> habstinat: ssh works nao. can i do fun stuff with your pi? :D
[1:27] <IT_Sean> :p
[1:30] <IT_Sean> AC`97, only if he gives you the password
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[1:32] <warddr> Hello, I am looking for a way to let the raspberry pi run for like 10 more minutes when the power drops down, does anyone have an idea?
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[1:34] <AC`97> warddr: yes. gpio controlled relay
[1:34] <AC`97> that's what i'm going to do
[1:35] <warddr> I am more looking for something like this, but much cheaper: http://www.benl.ebay.be/itm/5000mAh-Portable-External-Backup-Battery-USB-Power-for-mobile-phone-iphone-ipad-/110845013979?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19cee0afdb
[1:35] <AC`97> what are you using your RPi for ?
[1:36] <warddr> Transmitting diagnostic data from my car. That's why I need a couple more minutes once I am parked in front of the house, to use wifi to transmit everything
[1:36] <AC`97> ah, close enough to what i'm doing XD
[1:36] <AC`97> except i'm transmitting gathered wardriving data after i park my motorcycle (:
[1:37] <warddr> yes, that's quite close :D
[1:37] <IT_Sean> Why don't you just run it off a non-switched supply (i.e. a circuit that does not shut off when you take the key out) then just use a time-delay relay to shut it down once it'
[1:37] <IT_Sean> Why don't you just run it off a non-switched supply (i.e. a circuit that does not shut off when you take the key out) then just use a time-delay relay to shut it down once it's done x-mitting
[1:37] <IT_Sean> ?
[1:38] <IT_Sean> You could trigger it to power back on with a swiutched circuit.
[1:38] <AC`97> eww time delay
[1:38] <IT_Sean> Hey, i'm just keepin it simple
[1:38] <btcbuy314> im trying to set up a flashing led, i currently have gpio pin connected to led cathode, led anode is connected to resistor which is connected to ground. when i set the pin to True nothing happens. what am i doing wrong
[1:39] <warddr> simple.. and indeed, the downtime is not needed
[1:39] <IT_Sean> just have the pi power off after ~5 minutes after engine shutdown. This ensures you've completed the transmit cycle, and are no longer writing to SD card.
[1:40] <warddr> IT_Sean, the problem is getting some kind of battery to power those five minutes
[1:40] <IT_Sean> Use the car's battery!
[1:40] <IT_Sean> 5 minutes of running a Pi won't hurt it
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[1:41] <IT_Sean> Your dome lights probably use more power than the Pi does in 5 minutes. :p
[1:41] <IT_Sean> Use a constant 12v (regulated down, of course) to power the Pi, and an ignition siwtched circuit to trigger the power on / power off (+delay).
[1:42] <warddr> Than I need to find a connection to the battery that doesn't power off when the car is stopped (currently I use the power from an OBD-II, but that turns off when the engine is off), and a problem with the shutdown thing can drain the battery
[1:42] <IT_Sean> check your stereo, 12v ciggie adapter thinger, dome light supply. One of those may be constant.
[1:43] <IT_Sean> Also, if your car has an alarm, that will be on a constant 12v supply.
[1:43] <warddr> old car, no alarms
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[1:43] <IT_Sean> If your car has a power retracting antenna, that will probably have a constant 12v to it
[1:43] <warddr> but those are some good suggestions
[1:44] <IT_Sean> Poke about w/ a multimeter. I'll bet you a fiver you can find an unswitched 12v supply in the cabin that can safely be tapped.
[1:44] <warddr> I just found this, this should also work: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ex-Pro%C2%AE-iTouch-Motorola-Android-Blackberry/dp/B005MIY74K/ref=sr_1_23?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1345505675&sr=1-23
[1:44] <IT_Sean> Of course, as always, when working with your vehicle's wiring, be careful to not short anything, etc... Car fires can put a damper on your day.
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[1:51] <IT_Sean> warddr... what sort of car have you got?
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[1:53] <warddr> an opel zafira
[1:53] <warddr> I'm basically just experimenting a bit with the possibilities
[1:53] <plugwash> most car radios will have an unswitched supply to them to keep the memory active
[1:54] <plugwash> as well as a switched supply so that they turn off with the ignition
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[1:54] <warddr> I'll check into that
[1:55] <gordonDrogon> back from Bristol - time for bed!
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[1:56] <IT_Sean> A quick googling reveals that there is a constant 12v to the stereo in the Zafira, as plugwash mentioned, warddr
[1:57] <IT_Sean> If yours has got the 12v socket for the rear seats, that should be a constant 12v. Trace it to the fuse block, and tap i there. (adding a fuse, and regulating to 5v of course)
[1:57] <habstinat> AC`97: Go for it; it seems like other people have really messed it up already :P
[1:58] <habstinat> AC`97: Someone changed the password to "ponies"
[1:58] <IT_Sean> habstinat, thats what you get for leaving the pwd as default
[1:58] <IT_Sean> (it wasn't me, just saying)
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[2:00] <habstinat> IT_Sean: I didn't leave it as default, I set it to that and told everyone it. My real root password is obviously not that. Perhaps I could stop a user from changing his own password some way though.
[2:00] <IT_Sean> ahh
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[3:11] <btcbuy314> i figured it out... the ide cable i was using to connect to the raspberry pi has 3 pins that go to the same pin on the other side, as if they shorted or something. is this typical for ide cables?
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[3:12] <megatog615> sounds to me like a terminator?
[3:13] <plugwash> btcbuy314, i'm guessing it was an 80 wire cable, they have some special wiring in there to indicate that they are 80 wire cables and to indicate master/slave to the drives
[3:13] <plugwash> which means using them for anything other than IDE is likely to cause strange issues
[3:13] <btcbuy314> someone told me to use one of these
[3:14] <btcbuy314> if i get another one form another computer is it likely to do the same thing?
[3:14] <plugwash> If it's an 80 wire cable yes, the older 40 wire cables should be fine
[3:14] <btcbuy314> i wasted hours trying to figure out what was wrong
[3:14] <btcbuy314> so i gotta find one from a really old computer?
[3:15] <MystX> Or.. floppy drive?
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[3:15] <plugwash> you have to be careful with floppy cables since many of them have a twist to allow two drives to be hooked up without changing jumpers on the drives :(
[3:16] <btcbuy314> i think im just gonna buy a cable
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[3:25] <megatog615> there's JUMPERS on floppy drives?
[3:25] <megatog615> /facepalm
[3:25] <MystX> I dont even remember
[3:25] <megatog615> knowing that would have saved me so much time 10 years ago
[3:26] <megatog615> i bet half my 'broken' floppy drives actually do work now
[3:26] <MystX> Lol
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[3:57] <clever> btcbuy314: <+Holden> the fact is, pins 2,19,22,24,26,30,40 are connected together internally in a IDE cable (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA )
[3:57] <clever> btcbuy314: was mentioned just a day or 2 ago
[4:03] <plugwash> mmm, ok so they commoned all the grounds as well as doing the indication and cable select wiring
[4:03] <plugwash> however my main point still stands, 40 wire cable GOOD 80 wire cable BAD
[4:14] <AC`97> ?
[4:14] <zgreg> just wondering, is the fedora remix completely dead now?
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[4:16] <irpwnu2> hi
[4:16] <AC`97> ??
[4:16] <AC`97> irpwnu2 = evil.
[4:16] <irpwnu2> D:
[4:17] <AC`97> >:D
[4:17] * AC`97 cackles
[4:17] * AC`97 crackles*
[4:17] * AC`97 hisses and buzzes all over the spectrum
[4:22] <irpwnu2> what did i do?
[4:22] <AC`97> pwnt
[4:24] <irpwnu2> so i was thinking about getting a raspberry pi
[4:24] <AC`97> what would you use it for?
[4:24] <bircoe> so do it
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[4:24] <irpwnu2> well i wanna learn programming and i heard its good for that
[4:24] <bircoe> ...
[4:25] <bircoe> more to the point Linux is good for that
[4:25] <irpwnu2> (yeah im a huge noob)
[4:25] <AC`97> and yet you pwn??
[4:26] <AC`97> i'm using my little pi to crack wifi networks all over the place >:D
[4:26] <irpwnu2> can you use it for that? i would totally get it :o
[4:26] <AC`97> lol
[4:26] <TeeCee> AC`97: You use it just to gather packets, or doing the actual cracking?
[4:26] <AC`97> i'm trying to get everything set up to put into my motorcycle for <$150
[4:27] <AC`97> TeeCee: crack wep on idle time, and send wpa handshakes to remote server for cracking
[4:27] <AC`97> while it's running, it'll coax packets out of wep accesspoints, and deauth wpa stations
[4:27] <TeeCee> I guess even WEP-cracking takes some time on the Pi? :p
[4:27] <AC`97> TeeCee: around 10 seconds
[4:27] <AC`97> if you have enough packets
[4:28] <irpwnu2> if i took a programming class would it help me with this stuff?
[4:28] <TeeCee> True... WEP-cracking isn't brute force..
[4:28] <AC`97> ... i never took any serious programming classes
[4:28] <AC`97> my C, bash, and C++ classes were a joke
[4:28] <irpwnu2> well im in highschool and i really wanna get into this stuff so i figure its worth a shot
[4:28] <AC`97> and i failed Java for some reason (correcting the professor too many times in class, i think)
[4:29] <TeeCee> lol
[4:29] <TeeCee> irpwnu2: For starters, have you checked out www.codecademy.com?
[4:29] <irpwnu2> :o never heard of it
[4:30] <TeeCee> Check it out... Great to get started with programming...
[4:30] <irpwnu2> cool, thanks :)
[4:31] <AC`97> eww javascript
[4:31] <TeeCee> aha
[4:31] <TeeCee> I'm going for the Python-one
[4:31] <AC`97> oooh python
[4:32] <AC`97> that's what i'm going to write everything in.... in my second python project ever
[4:32] <irpwnu2> python is probably the farthest ive got in coding
[4:32] <bircoe> awesome use for a Pi:
[4:32] <bircoe> http://blog.makezine.com/2012/08/20/raspberry-pi-embedded-in-dslr-camera/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+makezineonline+%28MAKE%29
[4:33] <AC`97> lolwot
[4:33] <AC`97> (eww perl)
[4:34] <irpwnu2> should i do python even though its in beta?
[4:34] <AC`97> python is in beta? o.o
[4:34] <irpwnu2> nooo
[4:34] <irpwnu2> the course on codeacademy is
[4:34] <AC`97> oh. lol
[4:34] <AC`97> er, no clue
[4:34] <irpwnu2> haha
[4:35] <AC`97> i've only used python once. to automagically fetch pages and compile an ebook for kindle
[4:35] <irpwnu2> any idea TeeCee
[4:35] <AC`97> that was educational.
[4:35] <bircoe> It's still going to be useful
[4:35] <TeeCee> irpwnu2: I think it works fine.. if you want to learn Python..
[4:35] <TeeCee> and Python is a great language for beginners..
[4:36] <irpwnu2> well i know the most about python
[4:36] <TeeCee> in my opinion
[4:36] <irpwnu2> i did about half a text book on it
[4:36] <irpwnu2> but i forgot most of it and didnt learn enough for it to be practical
[4:36] <AC`97> i know php most :D
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[4:36] <TeeCee> Try Codecademy, or get yourself a project to work on.. :-)
[4:36] <AC`97> i can port most C programs to PHP. it's mostly copy/paste XD
[4:37] <irpwnu2> ive wanted to learn coding for a while and this looks like it'll help
[4:37] <irpwnu2> definitely gonna use it
[4:37] <AC`97> irpwnu2: first step: install archlinux on your main computer
[4:37] <TeeCee> +1
[4:38] <irpwnu2> well right now im on my ubuntu laptop
[4:38] <AC`97> ewwwwbuntu
[4:38] <TeeCee> haha
[4:38] <irpwnu2> my windows pc is on the moving truck
[4:38] <irpwnu2> whats archlinux?
[4:38] <TeeCee> *under the moving truck
[4:38] <bircoe> whats wrong with ewwbuntu?
[4:38] <AC`97> i used it once on a friend's laptop. it was ewwwwww
[4:38] <TeeCee> I guess it's the eww-part
[4:39] <bircoe> heh
[4:39] <TeeCee> irpwnu2: Installing, configuring and using arch linux makes you learn a lot about linux...
[4:39] <irpwnu2> ohhh ok
[4:39] <irpwnu2> i need to learn that too haha
[4:39] <AC`97> indeed.
[4:40] <irpwnu2> i want to use backtrack but i dont know any linux
[4:40] <AC`97> ^ .....
[4:40] <TeeCee> Ubuntu is easier to install than Windows, Arch linux makes you work for it! In return, you get a lot of knowledge and a fast distro with bleeding-edge software!
[4:40] <irpwnu2> so how do i learn this?
[4:40] <AC`97> archwiki
[4:40] <irpwnu2> ah\
[4:41] <TeeCee> www.archlinux.org
[4:41] <AC`97> wiki.archlinux.org/
[4:41] <TeeCee> also, archwiki is the best documentation *ever*
[4:41] <TeeCee> usually
[4:41] <AC`97> even people using other distributions turn to archwiki when they have problems :D
[4:41] <TeeCee> Yup
[4:41] <bircoe> true that!
[4:42] <TeeCee> *and* you get Arch Linux for ARM! :D #RPi
[4:42] <AC`97> <3
[4:42] <irpwnu2> cool!
[4:42] <irpwnu2> well i gotta go
[4:42] <irpwnu2> i'll probably be on tommorow
[4:42] <AC`97> gotta go install archlinux ? :D
[4:42] <bircoe> inthe same sentance tho Ubuntu has the most effort put into it to make it easy to learn and use.
[4:43] <AC`97> "easy to learn" doesn't mean that it teaches you anything (:
[4:43] <irpwnu2> nah its bed time XD tommorow night is archlinux
[4:43] <bircoe> I wouldn't go that far... if you have to learn how to use something by definition you are learning...
[4:44] <bircoe> just not as advanced as Arch forces you to be
[4:44] <AC`97> learning how to point and click. *click* *click*
[4:44] * AC`97 hides
[4:44] * bircoe slaps AC`97 with a trout
[4:44] * AC`97 slaps a large trout around a bit with bircoe
[4:44] <AC`97> >:D
[4:44] <bircoe> haha love to see you try!
[4:45] * bircoe is 6'4" and built like a tank!
[4:45] <AC`97> O.o
[4:45] <irpwnu2> haha night everyone
[4:45] <bircoe> later
[4:45] <irpwnu2> thanks for the help guys
[4:45] <AC`97> (:
[4:46] <bircoe> guess I'll have soem lunch and get ready for work...
[4:46] <AC`97> O.o wuh
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[4:46] <AC`97> that made no sense.
[4:46] <bircoe> 2 words... night... shift
[4:46] <AC`97> ...'
[4:47] <bircoe> 4pm till midnight of pure awesomeness
[4:47] <AC`97> what do you do? BOFH ?
[4:47] <MystX> arch is best.
[4:48] <AC`97> arch irc not so much.
[4:48] <bircoe> IT Helpdesk with a good dose of VBS/VB.Net programming thrown in.
[4:48] <AC`97> bircoe: any BOFH fun??
[4:49] <bircoe> quite often...
[4:49] <AC`97> i wish i could do that :|
[4:49] <AC`97> unfortunately, i only own an automotive shop. boring.
[4:50] <AC`97> but at least i can sit in my office all day and poke around with my pi
[4:50] <bircoe> we got a guy who came in as an apprentice jsut to get a foot in... for the last 20 years he's been a diesel mechanic
[4:50] <AC`97> O.o
[4:51] <AC`97> i bet he's... ancient
[4:51] <AC`97> i started my business when i was 22 or 23
[4:51] <bircoe> mid 30's... did a diesel apprenticeship outa school...
[4:52] <AC`97> ooh
[4:52] <bircoe> owns a hydrolics and heavy diesel shop now
[4:52] <bircoe> plus works for "us"
[4:52] <bircoe> he's a machine!
[4:52] <AC`97> i use turbodiesel oil in my motorcycle >:D
[4:52] <bircoe> I use turbo in my cars :)
[4:53] <AC`97> lol
[4:53] <bircoe> well 50% of them anyway
[4:53] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cKJP5pl__6zug5-veoX5Y_zav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[4:53] <AC`97> tiny
[4:53] <AC`97> i'd put a turbo on it if it wasn't illegal to do so
[4:53] <bircoe> nice
[4:53] <bircoe> doesn't seem to stop some people
[4:53] <AC`97> indeed
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[4:54] <AC`97> they get over twice the power after turbo
[4:54] <AC`97> (and probably half the engine life)
[4:54] <bircoe> in the process of gathering bits to make my Audi A3 respectable... the tiny K03 turbo's are just useless
[4:55] <AC`97> eww audi :P
[4:55] <bircoe> welll not quite useless, fantastic low end torque... so so top end
[4:55] * AC`97 despises all cars, actually.
[4:55] <bircoe> it's ok my other car is a Ford... and Subaru... and Holden
[4:55] <AC`97> i bought a mini cooper s because my parents kept bugging me about getting a car
[4:55] <AC`97> but i don't drive it. i let my dad drive it XD
[4:55] <bircoe> Oh and theres also a pair of Datsun's
[4:56] <bircoe> one of our GIRLS owns a Cooper S :P
[4:56] <AC`97> turbo, or supercharged? XD
[4:56] <bircoe> by our I mean work collegues
[4:56] <bircoe> Turbo
[4:56] <AC`97> does she actually DRIVE it? :]
[4:56] <AC`97> like, pedal to the metal
[4:56] <bircoe> oh yeah... it needed new tires within 2 months of buying it
[4:57] <bircoe> all 4!
[4:57] <AC`97> lol
[4:57] <AC`97> wow. those tires are expensive
[4:57] <AC`97> run-flats
[4:57] <AC`97> because the turbo version doesn't have a spare tire
[4:57] <bircoe> she optioned not to have the run flats
[4:57] <AC`97> tow truck card instead, eh? :P
[4:58] <bircoe> dunno... maybe can of goo?
[4:58] <AC`97> lol
[4:58] <bircoe> our city is pretty small... road side assitance is never too far away
[4:58] <AC`97> i have two towing services... for my motorcycle :P
[4:59] <AC`97> haven't gotten to use it yet
[4:59] <bircoe> is it that unreliable?
[4:59] <bircoe> heh
[4:59] <btcbuy314> motorcycles are dangerous
[4:59] <AC`97> well, the most "unreliable" moment was when i ran out of gas and forgot to switch it to reserve
[4:59] <AC`97> and then my battery also drained all the way down trying to start it back up
[4:59] <bircoe> sucks huh
[5:00] <AC`97> btcbuy314: i feel much safer on a motorcycle than on a car
[5:00] <AC`97> or, in a car*
[5:00] <btcbuy314> until someone hits you
[5:00] <AC`97> i make sure they can't.
[5:00] <AC`97> with a car, it's more difficult.
[5:00] <btcbuy314> what if you make a mistake
[5:01] <bircoe> a bloke at work one day got t boned by a car on a Kawasaki ZX 6R
[5:01] <AC`97> if i get hit, it's my mistake.
[5:01] <bircoe> made for a difficult few months
[5:01] <AC`97> if a car ran a red light and hit me, it's my mistake.
[5:01] <bircoe> LOL
[5:02] <AC`97> because i'm supposed to be watching for situations like that
[5:02] <AC`97> i ride safe
[5:02] <AC`97> that's also why i get ~34MPG when i'm supposed to be getting 70-80+
[5:02] <GriffenJBS> AC`97: what do you call this style of driving? Defensive Driving?
[5:02] <AC`97> defensive and offensive, i suppose
[5:03] <GriffenJBS> everyone is supposed to drive like that, but most expect the other person to save their life
[5:03] <AC`97> i save my own :P
[5:03] <AC`97> if the car in front of me stops suddenly, and there's a car behind me, i swerve out of the way
[5:04] <AC`97> screw the person behind me. don't care if they crash :P
[5:04] <AC`97> otherwise, if they're far enough behind, i flash my brake lights before i do an emergency stop
[5:06] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/lol02.jpg tow truck going wrong way
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[5:06] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/lol03.jpg suv running stop sign
[5:06] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/lol04.jpg ... unsafe lane change right onto me?!?
[5:07] <AC`97> (i had to totally burn clutch at that moment to rocket out of there)
[5:08] <bircoe> Maybe if you paint your bike hot pink people would see it...
[5:08] <AC`97> ...
[5:08] <AC`97> or perhaps change out my stock muffler
[5:08] <bircoe> no then they'd only hear you
[5:08] <AC`97> hearing is believing? XD
[5:09] <AC`97> or, conceiving
[5:09] <AC`97> or perceiving?!?
[5:09] <bircoe> my buddy put an air horn on his Ducati MOnster
[5:09] <Essobi> yea
[5:09] <Essobi> get a semi-horn.
[5:09] <bircoe> scares the crap outa people abotu to cut him off
[5:09] <AC`97> i haven't used my horn a single time yet :|
[5:09] <AC`97> even if i did, it'd go beep beep like a toy
[5:09] <Essobi> .... semi air horn will make someone piss themselves.
[5:10] <Essobi> I put in a basket on a bicycle one... you should have seen people crap themselves when they thought a semi was behind them...
[5:10] <bircoe> ...
[5:10] <AC`97> lol
[5:10] <AC`97> evil
[5:11] <Essobi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Loud-Sound-145-dB-Semi-Truck-Sound-Air-Horn-Kit-103C-5-1001-/140817803025?hash=item20c9652711&item=140817803025&pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr#ht_3861wt_1279
[5:11] <Essobi> 145dB
[5:11] <AC`97> ......
[5:11] <bircoe> might have issues fitting that on a bije!
[5:11] <Essobi> :D
[5:11] <bircoe> bike
[5:12] <AC`97> convert one cylinder into an air pump :P
[5:12] <Essobi> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-Volt-12V-Dual-Air-Horn-Kit-Trumpet-Train-Car-Truck-Boat-RV-LOUD-NEW-/330780191046?_trksid=p4340.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D333001%26algo%3DRIC.CURRENT%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D8%26meid%3D1473390368338719292%26pid%3D100009%26prg%3D1004%26rk%3D3%26
[5:12] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/ouch.jpg
[5:13] <bircoe> 93mph... ummmmaaaaa
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[5:13] <AC`97> that was actually gps error XD
[5:13] <AC`97> i made it through that turn unharmed
[5:13] <bircoe> liar
[5:13] <AC`97> too much tree cover
[5:14] <bircoe> I got caught once doing 97mph... they took my licence for 6 months!
[5:14] <AC`97> ....
[5:14] <AC`97> i hope i never got caught
[5:14] <AC`97> i usually carry 2 gps systems that record speed
[5:14] <bircoe> in a 60 zone!
[5:14] <AC`97> ....
[5:15] <AC`97> i only go 40mph on 25mph turns
[5:15] <AC`97> for 60, i'd only go ~65 max
[5:15] <bircoe> And... I was driving the slow car at the time... I woulda been screwed if I were in the fast car!
[5:15] <AC`97> o.o
[5:15] <bircoe> this was a poor judgement moment
[5:16] <AC`97> well, slow cars make you want to go faster, and stay fast
[5:16] <bircoe> made a silly choice and got caught
[5:16] <AC`97> that's why bicyclists always run stop signs and lights
[5:16] <bircoe> and get themselves creamed!
[5:16] <AC`97> indeed.
[5:16] <AC`97> i made a motorcycle bicycle once
[5:17] <AC`97> friction drive, then chain drive, and added in a manual transmission.....
[5:17] <bircoe> meee to!
[5:17] <bircoe> strapped a chainsaw motor to a bike
[5:17] <AC`97> switched from 4 stroke to 2 stroke = 25mph to 55mph
[5:17] <bircoe> was fun
[5:18] <AC`97> i reverted it all after i got my motorcycle :P
[5:18] <AC`97> but i have this nagging feeling that my motorcycle accelerates slower than my motorized bicycle
[5:18] <AC`97> D:
[5:18] <AC`97> unless i burn clutch at 9k rpms, of course
[5:18] <bircoe> hahaha
[5:19] <bircoe> i know a guy that builds brushless push bijes
[5:19] <bircoe> bikes
[5:19] <bircoe> pwns almost anything on the road
[5:19] <AC`97> oh, i tried electric before too
[5:19] <bircoe> well atleast till 50 or so kph
[5:19] <AC`97> but it was only a 250w brush motor
[5:20] <AC`97> 50kph slow :P
[5:20] <AC`97> i've gone 43mph on my road bike once... without a motor
[5:21] <bircoe> it's the speed limit in most suburbs here...
[5:21] <AC`97> (then i ended up crashing into a car at a stoplight when my brakes overheated)
[5:21] <bircoe> I didn't say it tops at 50, just that cars tend to catch it by 50
[5:21] <bircoe> nice effort
[5:21] <AC`97> o.o
[5:22] <AC`97> i upgraded my brakes before i ever rode it again.
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[5:22] <AC`97> now they're cantilevers. om nom nom
[5:22] <bircoe> i sole my bike recently... want it back
[5:22] <AC`97> buy another :]
[5:23] <bircoe> meh, I'd rather make my cars go faster
[5:23] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/proflexbig.jpg i had one of these a while ago. and it got stolen
[5:23] <bircoe> my Ford needs more boost
[5:24] <bircoe> I sole a heavily upgraded version of this:
[5:24] <bircoe> http://www.aspttvttchalons.com/dossiers/photos/98_specialized_fsr.jpg
[5:24] <bircoe> sold
[5:24] <AC`97> O.o
[5:24] <AC`97> for some reason, i don't like that rear suspension design
[5:24] <AC`97> (which is on like 98% of bikes)
[5:25] <AC`97> i call it the boingboing suspension XD
[5:25] <bircoe> tripple clamp forks, front disc, front single spur converison, chain roller guide (so the chain wouldn't pop off on really rough stuff
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[5:26] <AC`97> psh, the chain won't come off as long as you're putting pressure on it :P
[5:26] <bircoe> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/72824_10150916780008749_55808403_n.jpg
[5:27] <bircoe> was a beast...
[5:27] <AC`97> D: no flat bars ?
[5:27] <bircoe> they were super tough...
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[5:28] <bircoe> shower time for me...
[5:28] <AC`97> ??.??
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[5:30] <dfrey> Why does the main RaspberryPi site link to the Raspbian image 2012-07-15 when I can see that there is a newer version (2012-08-16) here? http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/images/raspbian/
[5:30] <AC`97> because lazy
[5:31] * AC`97 snores
[5:33] <dfrey> AC`97: So 2012-08-16 is the best version to choose right now?
[5:34] <AC`97> i have no clue
[5:34] <AC`97> i believe arch linux is the best version to choose
[5:34] <TeeCee> is Arch compiled with hard-float?
[5:35] <AC`97> not yet.
[5:38] <bircoe> then no!
[5:39] <AC`97> :|
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[5:40] <bircoe> :)
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[5:42] <bircoe> AC`97, I saw in your pic gallery you were doin testing with some LED's... what emitter were they?
[5:42] <AC`97> er, which leds?
[5:42] <AC`97> oh. last image? XD
[5:43] <bircoe> i dunno, i was snoopin around the Google Picasa gallery, they were bolted to a big black heatsink
[5:43] <AC`97> those are buttons.
[5:43] <bircoe> err no... the LED's
[5:43] <AC`97> ... oh. those
[5:43] <AC`97> are are CREE somethings. i forgot
[5:43] <bircoe> https://picasaweb.google.com/103853333444314240950/Leds
[5:43] <AC`97> they're Q5s
[5:43] <bircoe> well that doesn't help!
[5:44] <bircoe> Q5's is the bin...
[5:44] <AC`97> indeed
[5:44] <bircoe> not the model of LED
[5:44] <AC`97> XR-E, i suppose
[5:44] <AC`97> i got them for dirt cheap
[5:44] <bircoe> interesting
[5:44] <AC`97> like pennies each
[5:44] <bircoe> where from?
[5:44] <AC`97> ebay :P
[5:44] <bircoe> ohh
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[5:45] <AC`97> a couple minutes after i bought my pile, the price went up. $$$
[5:45] <bircoe> i bought a couple of QP-E Q5's to see how they are... one died straight away the other is still alive
[5:45] <AC`97> o.o
[5:45] <bircoe> XP-E rather
[5:45] <AC`97> did you use a current-regulated power supply?
[5:45] <bircoe> nope :)
[5:45] <AC`97> lol. neither am i
[5:45] <AC`97> but the big heatsink sure is helping
[5:45] <bircoe> drive straight off a 18650
[5:45] <AC`97> ^ ewww
[5:46] <bircoe> probably why it popped :)
[5:46] <AC`97> i tried that once on a dying led. it smoked.
[5:46] <AC`97> i have a CREE XM-L too
[5:46] <AC`97> i can fry an ant in like 3 seconds
[5:47] <bircoe> IO have a torch here with an XM-L T6... driving off a single 18650, it's just insanely bright!
[5:47] <AC`97> can it burn your hand if you point it that way? XD
[5:47] <bircoe> no :P
[5:47] <AC`97> aww
[5:47] <AC`97> mine can o.o
[5:47] <AC`97> and it's not even running at full power
[5:47] <bircoe> I suspect it's being driven no where near peak
[5:48] <bircoe> I'm gunan buy this to retrofit my 3D Mag
[5:48] <bircoe> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/6-cree-q5-wb-5-mode-1200-lumen-white-light-drop-in-led-module-52-7mm-42mm-8-4v-max-65153
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[5:48] <AC`97> o.o
[5:48] <AC`97> i only have a single Q5 in my 6D mag
[5:48] <bircoe> I used to think Mag's were the bee's knee's... now they're just povo and a $12 ebay Cree light blows them out of the water
[5:48] <AC`97> lol
[5:49] <bircoe> the 6x Q5 should be an interesting light!
[5:49] <AC`97> on my 6D, i changed to led when my batteries died. it's still running on those same batteries 3 years later
[5:49] <bircoe> I've got one of these:
[5:49] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CREE-COAST-LED-Lenser-M7R-Torch-Rechargeable-220Lm-NEW-/221089894940?pt=AU_Torches&hash=item3379fc121c#ht_4821wt_1144
[5:49] <bircoe> love it to bits... in fact I broke it and need to replace it
[5:50] <AC`97> ooh, i guess cree is finally making it into mainstream o.o
[5:50] <bircoe> they have a magnetic charger that makes contact through the tail cap!
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[5:50] <AC`97> how did you break it ?
[5:50] <bircoe> trying to open it after dropping it one day resulting in a problem in the driver circuit
[5:51] <AC`97> ooh
[5:51] <bircoe> to be fair it had been dropped liek 25 times
[5:51] <AC`97> aren't the disco modes annoying? XD
[5:51] <bircoe> uh huh
[5:51] <AC`97> thankfully, mine is computer programmable
[5:51] <AC`97> i have only 3 modes set
[5:52] <XenithOrb> Personal recommendations for a cheap case?
[5:52] <AC`97> XenithOrb: cardboard box.
[5:52] <bircoe> I ended up using parts off the Lensor to upgrade a shitty parts store special, it's now a weapon
[5:52] <XenithOrb> hell no ha
[5:52] <AC`97> XenithOrb: why not
[5:52] <bircoe> just ordered 2 of these:
[5:52] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/251125021772?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_4068wt_1168
[5:52] <bircoe> posted on the same day as ordered, can't wait to see how they are
[5:53] <XenithOrb> I'm not big on mixing cheap hardware and paper products
[5:53] <XenithOrb> Not to say anything against the manufacturing process or anything, but still
[5:53] <AC`97> XenithOrb: pastic box then. one that happens to be around the same size
[5:53] <AC`97> XenithOrb: https://picasaweb.google.com/103853333444314240950/RaspberryPi?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCLbrpZ7sjI_BVw&feat=directlink
[5:54] <AC`97> bircoe: how many RPi's did you buy? o.o
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[5:54] <XenithOrb> man is that heatsink really necessary
[5:54] <AC`97> absolutely.
[5:55] <AC`97> so is the liquid nitrogen
[5:55] <bircoe> I currently have 2, about to buy another 3 i think
[5:55] <AC`97> O.o
[5:55] <AC`97> wai so many
[5:56] <bircoe> cos OpenELEC is getting awesome, and my 2 have already found permanent homes connected to TV's in the house, need 1 more for the lounge room TV, and 2 to tinker with
[5:56] <AC`97> i prefer Roku :P
[5:56] <AC`97> not much downloaded content in my house
[5:57] <bircoe> heres my dodgy case:
[5:57] <bircoe> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/2012-08-21%2013.53.11.jpg
[5:57] <XenithOrb> I just watched a movie on rasbmc, not so bad. There are issues here and there. Have you found OpenELEC better?
[5:57] <bircoe> shame the servo the box came in is worth more than twice the Pi
[5:57] <XenithOrb> (I've heard it's slower)
[5:57] <bircoe> considering the low powered nature of the Pi I don't think it's slow at all
[5:58] <bircoe> it's pretty comparable to the Apple TV's i'm currently using
[5:58] <AC`97> bircoe: nice box :D
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[5:58] <XenithOrb> no no I meant in comparison to Rasbmc
[5:59] <bircoe> I tried RaspBMC once, wasn't to my taste, and have been compiling OpenELEC since
[5:59] <XenithOrb> Are you able to use hard float with that?
[5:59] <bircoe> yes it has hard float support
[6:00] <bircoe> I don't like Raspbmc's "installer"
[6:00] <bircoe> it's anoying
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[6:00] <AC`97> bircoe: https://picasaweb.google.com/103853333444314240950/CreeOnAStick?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCLOmiNblmajPgwE&feat=directlink
[6:00] <AC`97> fun.
[6:01] <bircoe> hahaha that's gold!
[6:01] <AC`97> [:
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[6:02] <eightyeight> i'm curious if anyone has used the raspberry pi as a source of random numbers to keep entropy full on the local lan
[6:03] <eightyeight> i have two simtec entropy keys that i plan to use with it
[6:03] <AC`97> sounds doable
[6:04] <eightyeight> i think so
[6:04] <eightyeight> i think my biggest concern, is if the keys will fit one on top of the other, or if i need flexible extension cables
[6:05] <AC`97> or crack them open
[6:05] <AC`97> and run them naked :P
[6:06] <bircoe> they should fit
[6:06] <eightyeight> they are protected against physical tampering
[6:06] <AC`97> doh
[6:06] <eightyeight> crack them open, and expoxy will spill to the board
[6:06] <bircoe> just consider that they need to draw less than 140ma
[6:06] <AC`97> eightyeight: right angle adapters
[6:07] <eightyeight> bircoe: unknown. i guess i need to read the specs, and see if they list a power draw
[6:07] <bircoe> ?36 damn it...
[6:07] <eightyeight> 140ma total, or each?
[6:07] <AC`97> eightyeight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-USB-2-0-type-A-male-female-right-Angle-up-down-adapter-connector-New-/170898905725
[6:07] <bircoe> each
[6:07] <bircoe> the ports on a Pi have 140ma fuses
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[6:08] <AC`97> i think it should be safe to bridge those fuses if you're not connecting anything else
[6:08] <AC`97> s/bridge/short
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[6:10] <AC`97> eightyeight: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swivel-Flexible-Angle-USB-A-2-0-Male-to-Female-M-F-Adapter-PC-Notebook-Laptop-/170871408192
[6:10] <AC`97> tada!~
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[6:10] <eightyeight> heh
[6:11] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/xYVQFZe_UTNFGt2j7SGX3JsSe1JIaVHZs07FpzLdLZk?feat=directlink
[6:11] <AC`97> i do messy wiring.
[6:12] <bircoe> what does it do?
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[6:12] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/103853333444314240950/SunTracker?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCIiU-piUofuEmQE&feat=directlink
[6:12] <AC`97> ^ this
[6:13] <bircoe> I see
[6:13] <bircoe> that's pretty clever
[6:13] <AC`97> i was helping a friend's son cheat on his science fair project O:-)
[6:14] <AC`97> he say, i do. whee.
[6:14] <bircoe> that is cheating!
[6:14] <AC`97> indeed. but it didn't help much
[6:14] <AC`97> he only got 4th place D:<
[6:14] <bircoe> you were outdone by a bunch of kids?
[6:14] <AC`97> it was a state competition
[6:14] <bircoe> :)
[6:14] <ccssnet> AC`97: your a bike rider i see a bikechain/keychain i think
[6:15] <AC`97> ccssnet: indeed :P
[6:15] <ccssnet> :)
[6:15] <AC`97> that was leftover from my motorized bicycle project
[6:15] <ccssnet> hmph
[6:15] <AC`97> fat bmx chain :D
[6:16] <ccssnet> ya
[6:16] * bircoe goes to find socks...
[6:16] <ccssnet> AC`97: http://atccss.net/site/bmx.jpg
[6:16] <ccssnet> my bmx bike, i got a trek road bike too
[6:17] <AC`97> i abandoned bmx after i ate asphalt while trying to jump a too-high curb :|
[6:17] <ccssnet> thats not bmx :)
[6:17] <AC`97> lol
[6:17] <ccssnet> bmx is dirt tracks
[6:18] <AC`97> orly
[6:18] <AC`97> mountainbike is dirt tracks :P
[6:18] <ccssnet> nah mountainbike is mountains
[6:18] <ccssnet> lol
[6:18] <AC`97> ...
[6:19] <AC`97> downhill is mountains D:<
[6:19] <bircoe> check this guy out...
[6:19] <bircoe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj6ho1-G6tw&feature=related
[6:19] <ccssnet> anyone who rides a bmx bike at a cemment skatepark is only trying to hurt themselfs
[6:19] <AC`97> lol
[6:20] <ccssnet> :)
[6:20] <AC`97> ccssnet: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wLr5vKFfaCHtndDEJIELXPzav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[6:20] <AC`97> it so perfect >:D
[6:20] <ccssnet> death to skateparks. long live dirt tracks
[6:20] <ccssnet> anyway...
[6:21] <ccssnet> ya
[6:21] <ccssnet> i just got a zip tie for my keys
[6:21] <ccssnet> little to no jingle noise
[6:21] <ccssnet> brb
[6:21] <AC`97> o.o
[6:21] <bircoe> my keys have a piston from a RC car and Lego!!!
[6:23] <AC`97> i had a mercedes fuel pump part that i wanted to put on my keys :P
[6:23] <AC`97> but it had lots of sharp edges
[6:23] <bircoe> LOL
[6:23] <AC`97> but it was sooo shiny <3
[6:24] <bircoe> time to take myelf to work i guess...
[6:24] <bircoe> laters
[6:24] <AC`97> okee dokee
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[7:00] <lrvick> this python code hwoever, actually connects to it, and dumps data http://pastie.org/4558252
[7:00] <lrvick> woops
[7:00] <lrvick> Anyone know why i can't talk to an i2c device that plainly exists? http://pastie.org/4544711
[7:07] <AC`97> lrvick: why does that sound familiar
[7:08] <AC`97> anyways... just because it's i2c, it doesn't mean you don't need a driver :P
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[7:46] <ccssnet> back. took way to long to do a frigin checkdisk
[7:46] <AC`97> linucks has checkdisk??
[7:47] <ccssnet> f.u. windows not sure why i botherd booting it... o right, games
[7:47] <AC`97> oh windohs
[7:47] <AC`97> eww :P
[7:47] <ccssnet> but, must play bad company 2
[7:47] <ccssnet> lol
[7:47] <AC`97> raspberry pi is a fun game
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[7:53] <ccssnet> ok windows... thats the last straw.
[7:53] <ccssnet> i just got kicked from 2 bc2 servers for currupt files caught by punkbuster hack protection
[7:53] <ccssnet> .. damnit. checkdisk just screwed me over
[7:54] <ccssnet> makes sense though, its the only thing i use windows for is bc2, and ocasionally css
[7:54] <ccssnet> lol
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[7:59] <lrvick> AC`97: Yeah the driver exists.
[7:59] <lrvick> AC`97: i2cdetect plainly sees it
[8:00] <lrvick> at 0x52
[8:00] <AC`97> ...
[8:00] <AC`97> i don't think a driver is needed to "see" a device
[8:00] <lrvick> well the base driver is i2c-dev
[8:00] <AC`97> also, be back in 10 hours
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[8:01] <lrvick> boo
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[9:12] <btcbuy314> looking for a lightweight file manager, any suggestions?
[9:12] <btcbuy314> i currently use pcmanfm, im pretty happy with it but still wondering if theres anything better
[9:12] <btcbuy314> im also looking for an extremely lightweight file manager that i can use without x
[9:13] <dc5ala> btcbuy314, midnight commander?
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[9:15] <btcbuy314> for the terminal one?
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[9:17] <dc5ala> btcbuy314, is terminal based
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[9:17] <btcbuy314> yeah i think thats the one im gonna use for the terminal one, i guess pcmanfm is best bet for x
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[9:23] <axion> btcbuy314: ranger
[9:23] <axion> check it out and love it
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[9:27] <axion> and i do like thunar better than pcmanfm for a lightweight gui fm
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[9:32] <steve_rox> funny how vendors still try pitch their gold plated connectors on cable allows better data transfer than non gold plated connectors :-P
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[9:53] <btcbuy314> http://elinux.org/File:GPIOs.png do the white pins do anything at all?
[9:55] <DarkTherapy> nope
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[10:09] <thrawed> someone copied my site :D
[10:10] <thrawed> mine: pi.dnsd.me, theirs: 82.55.164.244
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[10:11] <btcbuy314> what would be a good major for someone who enjoys programming, math, arduino, linux etc
[10:12] <thrawed> cs
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[10:12] <axion> CET
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[10:12] <btcbuy314> i got started in all this at a young age so is there anything major that i would benefit more from as i am currently ahead of a lot of people for my age
[10:13] <btcbuy314> or will it basically help me in any related major
[10:13] <thrawed> you could become a lawyer
[10:14] <btcbuy314> why lawyer?
[10:14] <Jck_true> Software patent lawsuits? :D
[10:14] <btcbuy314> eh idk lawyer is just something iv never really thought id like
[10:15] <Jck_true> btcbuy314: You could also become an engineer - If you preffer the practical aspects over theory
[10:15] <thrawed> you could become a walmart bagger
[10:15] <btcbuy314> im gonna become a bum after college for a year to see what its like, itd be fun
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[10:16] <btcbuy314> could i benefit from knowing programming as a doctor?
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[10:16] <thrawed> btcbuy314: over here we call that a gap year
[10:16] <Jck_true> Or you could study chemistry for 5 months - Then drop out because you're too lazy to do your homework - then waste your entire savings traveling around australia for ?? a year... And then get a low entry job doing webdevelopment....
[10:17] <thrawed> awww is that what you did Jck_true?
[10:17] <Jck_true> thrawed: yeah - Pretty much
[10:18] <btcbuy314> ill travel to south america somewhere where i can live off little money
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> 'morning.
[10:19] <Jck_true> btcbuy314: Australian girls in bikinis will change your mind....
[10:19] <thrawed> I hear greenland is nice this time of year
[10:19] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: morning
[10:19] <Jck_true> thrawed: And the rest of the year its cold and dark
[10:19] <btcbuy314> my dad did that, hed spend $20 a week and be able to eat out and get steak for 3
[10:20] <btcbuy314> i dont think you can do that anymore though
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> uploading my camera from last night. suppose I ought to do a blog :)
[10:21] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: did you bring them cakes?
[10:21] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, no... but there was about 100 people...
[10:21] <thrawed> 100 muffins
[10:22] <btcbuy314> also, can you succeed in cs without any prior programming skills? i already know programming but im just wondering
[10:23] <Jck_true> btcbuy314: Hmm from what i've spoken with people on CS you can pretty much shape it in what direction you want - This one girl started off a major in math - then took a Ph.D in CS
[10:23] <darksatanic> btcbuy314: We definitely have (CS, degree) students who come to us with no prior knowledge of programming.
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> personally I think programming is a "knack"... it's a mindset, or a way of thinking about how to break down a problem into logical steps... CS will give you the tools to help you do this - mostly by giving you an understanding of what others have done and how to do it - e.g. sorting algorithms, data structures, list building and so on.
[10:23] <Jck_true> And as she saids - "I never do programming - I just do stuff on paper"
[10:23] <thrawed> btcbuy314: you'll need good math skills
[10:23] <darksatanic> I don't know what the proportion of those who get firsts is, but there are probably some.
[10:24] <darksatanic> (I work in a CS and electronics department at a university)
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[10:32] <gordonDrogon> I don't think you need good maths skills to be a programmer - but some aspects of programming - e.g. real time control, avionics, machine positioning does involve maths, but some doesn't - e.g. commercial programming just needs basic arithmetic.
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> by commercial, I mean commerce - finance, doing shopping carts, etc.
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> I'm not great at maths, but I can work out most stuff up to (but not including) integral calculus... if someone else can produce a derivative, then I can code it ...
[10:32] <btcbuy314> what would be a good major for me if math was my best subject? i did extremely well in ap calc class, i think the reason why though is because programming helped learn more about solving problems
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[10:37] <InControl> I see that fruit machine company were trying to sell their expensive controller boards
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[10:38] <Jck_true> I wish the Gertboard came presoldered :(
[10:38] <InControl> Jck_true: it will if you are willing to wait
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[10:38] <gordonDrogon> InControl, Heber - yes, they've been at 2 Jams now.. it's an interesting board though, but ?80 or thereabouts.
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> not a hobbyists board at all, but it's fairly bomb proof if you need a Pi to control someting a but more industrial.
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> they currently sell 15,000 a month...
[10:40] <InControl> gordonDrogon: thats quite a few
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[10:40] <gordonDrogon> at least I think it was a month - but essentially most of the gaming machines, vending machines, etc. in the UK and europe have their controller boards in, along with a mini ITX PC, so they're looking at using the Pi rathe than the miniITX from what I could gather. I did visit their factory a few weeks ago too.
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[10:41] <gordonDrogon> the company Heber, designed and wrote the software for the Dyson washing machine!
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> It's PIC based apparently.
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[10:43] <InControl> gordonDrogon: but the big question is did you spend your pocket money on another pi
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[10:45] <thrawed> who's maxime petazzoni?
[10:45] <btcbuy314> how much is a miniITX
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[10:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> mini ITX - board ??80 [ish inculding chip ] PSU ??30 ish ....
[10:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> + RAM
[10:48] <RaTTuS|BIG> + HD / or flash etc ...
[10:49] <btcbuy314> that is expensive compared to rpi
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[10:52] <Craig`_> Gah I still haven't been able to get cups working over a network.
[10:52] <thrawed> the string needs to be taunt
[10:53] <thrawed> *taut
[10:53] <DarkTherapy> cat5 cable needs to be taut*
[10:53] <Craig`_> and ##cups isn't very active either, gah.
[10:54] <Craig`_> I guess I should share the hard drive on the network now so I feel as if i've done *something*
[10:54] <darksatanic> Make sure that you haven't got anything heavy sitting on the cable, either. It squashes the packets as they go through, and you get misshapen bits. :)
[10:54] <thrawed> you're using the pi as a nas?
[10:54] <Craig`_> it's for my grandparents
[10:54] <Craig`_> they're not heavy users
[10:55] <thrawed> I've heard it's simply better to buy a nas
[10:55] <DarkTherapy> skinny people?
[10:55] <thrawed> the pi doesn't do a very good jon
[10:55] <thrawed> *job
[10:55] <Craig`_> the main thing I'm wanting it for is a print server, I can print from the pi just not over a network
[10:55] <Craig`_> I can see it on the network, just not print from it
[10:55] <Craig`_> it says it's okay to print but alas, nothing.
[10:56] <Craig`_> at first it said it was unable to connect, googling that said to use the 'hack' `use client drivers = yes`, so I made sure I had the correct drivers but now that doesn't work. It says on windows it's fine to print but nothing happens on the pi
[10:56] <thrawed> Craig`_: does this help? http://rohankapoor.com/2012/06/configuring-the-raspberry-pi-as-an-airprint-server/
[10:56] <Craig`_> i'll give it a read and tell you
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[10:58] <thrawed> it's a very image heavy tutorial, but it looks like he uses cups
[10:58] <Craig`_> yeah i'll give it a try.
[10:58] <Craig`_> hopefully it works
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[11:02] <DarkTherapy> that's a handy tutorial, thanks
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[11:04] <gordonDrogon> InControl, no! There were none for sale... Eben goofed apparently...
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[11:06] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: same story as defcon?
[11:09] <gordonDrogon> don't know that story, but the one that was old last night was the Eben got a load out of the store, then left them on his desk, and when the foundation chap went to pick them up, they were gone with a load of cash and post-its from Broadcom staff on his desk!
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[11:10] <gordonDrogon> Rob Bishop was the foundation chap. had temporarily forgotten his name there! He's the one doing the grand tour of the hackspaces, etc.
[11:10] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1792
[11:11] <thrawed> it was hyped up that there would be pis at defcon. loads of people queued up but they never turned up. Later it turns out they didn't know they'd have to pay extra tax in nevada to sell them there
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[11:13] <gordonDrogon> ah.
[11:14] <lrvick> Bam
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> the wonders of a global economy.
[11:14] <lrvick> working wiimote driver
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> heh.. I demos working NES controller last night playing Pong written in Basic :)
[11:16] <thrawed> did you do that thing where you embed a usb controller within it?
[11:16] <lrvick> http://pastie.org/4561188 < wiimote nunchuck using python and i2c
[11:16] <lrvick> ^_^
[11:16] <lrvick> turns out i was waaay over complicating it
[11:16] <lrvick> smbus is the way to go
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[11:17] <InControl> Wiimote is bluetooth shurely just need a usb bluetooth dongle
[11:18] <lrvick> no this is just the wiimote nunchuck. 4 wires, i2c
[11:18] <InControl> oh ok
[11:18] <lrvick> it has joystick, xyz accelerometer, 2 buttons
[11:18] <lrvick> all over 4 wire i2c
[11:18] <lrvick> plugs right into pi
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[11:18] <lrvick> 3.3v
[11:19] <InControl> ofc you could plug it into the Wiimote
[11:19] <InControl> sounds like a cheap way to get an accelerometer.
[11:19] <lrvick> yes but then i don't get raw real-time access, and i need a battery etc. This maeks for a simple joystick solution for my pan-tilt camera mount
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> neat.
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> didn't realise it was i2c.
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> how much are they?
[11:23] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: 4.80USD from china it seems
[11:24] <InControl> i expect you can pick them up cheap from a game shop
[11:24] <InControl> as pre-owned AKA used
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, wow! Thats is cheap for what's inside them...
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> I paid ?7 for a pair of old NES joysticks :)
[11:26] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: http://dx.com/s/nunchuck?Utm_rid=58973692
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[11:28] <DarkTherapy> anyone listening to popmaster on radio2 in 3 minutes time?
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> no...
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> you on it?
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> if I'm lucky, I'll get one answer half right...
[11:29] <DarkTherapy> nah, listen to it every day here at work
[11:29] <DarkTherapy> lol
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> I listen to Chris in the mornings and that's about it. find radio/music a bit of a distraction and my hearing is a bit weird anyway.
[11:30] <DarkTherapy> Chris Evans does my head in..
[11:30] <DarkTherapy> I prefer ken Bruce
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> other way round for me.
[11:32] <DarkTherapy> anyway, if we pool together we might get some questions right
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> haha...
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> I'll put it on..
[11:32] <DarkTherapy> hurry
[11:32] * InControl never understood why so many people listen to Radio 2
[11:32] <DarkTherapy> when you get over 30 you'll see why..
[11:32] * gordonDrogon clicks listen live...
[11:32] * gordonDrogon is over 40 ...
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> q1...
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> no idea.
[11:33] <DarkTherapy> ??
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> dunno.
[11:33] <DarkTherapy> lol
[11:33] <DarkTherapy> call on me
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[11:33] <DarkTherapy> hmm
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> you must be 5 seconds ahead of me..
[11:34] <DarkTherapy> 1995
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> 81?
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> doh
[11:34] <DarkTherapy> damn
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> beats me.
[11:34] <DarkTherapy> sleeper
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> you win!
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[11:34] <DarkTherapy> yay
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> no idea on this one.
[11:35] <DarkTherapy> ah, that's bulky preston
[11:35] <DarkTherapy> billy
[11:35] <DarkTherapy> lol
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[11:35] <gordonDrogon> I would havr said diana, but it sounded silly.
[11:35] <DarkTherapy> lol
[11:35] * gordonDrogon gives up at this point.
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> burgh.
[11:36] <DarkTherapy> Chris de burg
[11:36] * gordonDrogon cheers
[11:36] <DarkTherapy> arctic monkeys
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> and 1 for me.
[11:36] <DarkTherapy> lol
[11:36] <DarkTherapy> can you put it on fm? live
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> that's enough for me!
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> no radio here.
[11:37] <DarkTherapy> rather than behind
[11:37] <DarkTherapy> ok
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> I don't own a radio.
[11:37] <DarkTherapy> i'll listen on digital too then
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> We have a DAB player in the kitchen and wifey has a portable and that's about it.
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> my wifes a radio 4 listener. I just listen to r2 in the morning.
[11:38] <InControl> have to say I only listen to 4
[11:39] <DarkTherapy> listening on tunein radio
[11:39] <DarkTherapy> :0)
[11:39] <InControl> but 4 can have some arty farty rubbish on it
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[11:40] <DarkTherapy> round 2
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[11:41] <gordonDrogon> not listening... good luck :0
[11:41] <DarkTherapy> lol
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[11:43] <Habbie> user guide still not released :(
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[11:53] <DarkTherapy> would an OWON PDS5022S oscilloscope be a good scope to start/learn with? 25mhz
[11:53] <DarkTherapy> ??165 delivered, china
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[11:54] <InControl> DarkTherapy: you might end up paying VAT and handeling charfe
[11:55] <Dyskette> Which could be substantial.
[11:55] <DarkTherapy> hmm, true.. I've had stuff valued at over ??300 delivered no charges
[11:55] <DarkTherapy> *gift*
[11:55] <Dyskette> I've had things valued at ??15.37 charged ??12 in VAT/charges.
[11:56] <DarkTherapy> odd
[11:56] <Craig`_> thrawed: thank you so much for that link
[11:56] <Dyskette> (??15 is the cutoff where they start charging, apparently)
[11:56] <DarkTherapy> ok
[11:56] <thrawed> Craig`_: so it's working now?
[11:57] <InControl> http://cpc.farnell.com/owon/pds5022s/oscilloscope-dso-25mhz/dp/IN05663?Ntt=IN05663
[11:57] <Craig`_> thrawed: sure is!
[11:57] <Craig`_> well the desktop was able to print, i'll try the lapto.p
[11:57] <Holden> DarkTherapy, have you watched this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiY9R93XA1g&feature=g-user-u
[11:57] <thrawed> cool
[11:58] <DarkTherapy> yes, I have
[11:58] <DarkTherapy> wondered if anyone's used the same scope
[11:59] <Holden> DarkTherapy, since an oscilloscope is something you buy every 10 or 15 years I'd say go for the 6062 if you can afford it
[11:59] <DarkTherapy> OWON?
[11:59] <Holden> yes, OWON SDS6062
[11:59] <DarkTherapy> oh i see, yeh
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[12:01] <DarkTherapy> china - ??315
[12:01] <DarkTherapy> hmmm
[12:01] <Craig`_> thrawed: hmm it seems the laptop can't print (it's wireless so maybe i'm just not giving it enough time), the desktop is near instant though
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> I got a lttle DSO Quad recently and while it's OK, I'm now wishing I'd spent double on something a bit bigger with a few more features.
[12:01] <thrawed> Craig`_: glad to hear it's working
[12:01] <DarkTherapy> I was thinking of the same quad, but skeptical
[12:02] <DarkTherapy> did you put the other firmware on it?
[12:03] <Craig`_> thrawed: yeah the desktop works which is good it's just that this vista laptop doesn't seem to work, on the cups jobs page it clearly shows the job it's just not being printed
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[12:08] <th0mz> hi
[12:10] * Jck_true hugs the 200Mhz scope at work :) 2GS/s :D
[12:12] <th0mz> anybody could point me to a module to detect movement above a certain height ? I'm trying to detect truck in a street
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[12:17] <[SLB]> zoneminder maybe, but it may well be heavy as well, it needs mysql
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[12:18] <DarkTherapy> th0mz: a webcam?
[12:18] <DarkTherapy> point it up high
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[12:19] <DarkTherapy> software on of to detect movement on webcam
[12:19] <th0mz> i was more think about a range sensor
[12:19] <DarkTherapy> pc*
[12:19] <DarkTherapy> laser?
[12:20] <th0mz> or a laser
[12:20] <th0mz> like for garage door
[12:20] <th0mz> this would be fine
[12:20] <DarkTherapy> laser trip wire
[12:21] <Jck_true> DarkTherapy: And 2 packs of C4
[12:21] <DarkTherapy> ;)
[12:21] <th0mz> the idea is to action a canon camera with a cli
[12:22] <th0mz> to take the picture when a truck is detected
[12:22] <DarkTherapy> can you trigger the camera remotely?
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[12:23] <th0mz> i plan to use http://capture.sourceforge.net/
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[12:23] <th0mz> haven't try yet
[12:26] <DarkTherapy> does the camera have an ir remote?
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> laser indicators are used on roads here - there was a famous bridge on the A30 that used to regularly get hit by high lories.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> even though it has big flashing signs and laser height gauges.
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> one laser pointed at a reflector.
[12:28] <th0mz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_PowerShot_G
[12:28] <th0mz> No infrared remote control.
[12:28] <th0mz> erf
[12:29] <DarkTherapy> laser trip wire - trigger ir command to camera - eye-fi card in camera uploads image online - sends you a tweet
[12:29] <th0mz> i might find a cheap camera with IR
[12:29] <th0mz> you'll think it wil be easier to control with ir the camera ?
[12:30] <DarkTherapy> yeh, no moving parts
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[12:31] <DarkTherapy> I've got a camera I can trigger from a pwm signal from a receiver in an rc heli
[12:31] <DarkTherapy> ir
[12:32] <DarkTherapy> no moving parts
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[12:33] <th0mz> good idea
[12:33] <th0mz> thanks for advise
[12:33] <DarkTherapy> :0)
[12:33] <th0mz> i start to search compatibles camera , ir etc first
[12:34] <DarkTherapy> yeh
[12:34] <DarkTherapy> mines an old Pentax optio s10
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[12:37] <DarkTherapy> and Arduino,,
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[12:44] <btcbuy314> my rpi is stuck in vim and its not letting type anything and it wont let me ssh into it. how do i restart it without corrupting the sd?
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[12:47] <darksatanic> If you've got a keyboard/monitor attached directly to it, try first switching to another VT (Alt-F2, or Ctrl-Alt-F2).
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[12:47] <btcbuy314> thanks! i dont know why i didnt think of that
[12:48] <darksatanic> If that doesn't give you a working console login, then you can have the kernel attempt to remount the filesystem read-only, sync, and reboot, with Alt-SysRq-{r,e,i,s,u,b} (in that order).
[12:48] <btcbuy314> sysrq?
[12:48] <darksatanic> It's a key on the keyboard.
[12:49] <darksatanic> Often written as a secondary name on Print Screen.
[12:49] <btcbuy314> ahh i see it
[12:49] <btcbuy314> i need to memorize that reisub
[12:50] <btcbuy314> i feel like iv heard that before, does that go for all or most distros/
[12:50] <normod> yes
[12:50] <btcbuy314> all unix?
[12:50] <btcbuy314> mac?
[12:50] <darksatanic> No, just Linux.
[12:50] <btcbuy314> ok
[12:51] <darksatanic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_sysrq
[12:51] <normod> yeah it's easy to memorize once you know what the letters do
[12:51] <normod> I usually just go with sub to save my disks from corruption
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[12:53] <btcbuy314> thanks for the link and help, off to read
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[12:54] <thrawed> jui-feng: I added an uptime record
[12:54] <thrawed> jui-feng: http://pi.dnsd.me/rc
[12:54] <darksatanic> "Reboot Even If System Utterly Broken" :)
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[12:58] <acausal> 20:54:26 up 15 days <-- only 823 more days and it will break the record of my eeepc
[12:58] <jui-feng> thrawed, nice :) will be interesting to see how long it can go without a reboot
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[12:59] <thrawed> jui-feng: usually it lasts until https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware is updated
[12:59] <jui-feng> my pi's record is: 28 days, 19:25:43
[12:59] <jui-feng> thrawed, heh. so let's wait for the firmware to stabilize
[12:59] <acausal> it was so sad when i had to shut down the eeepc :(
[13:00] <thrawed> jui-feng: what's your "uname -a"?
[13:00] <thrawed> 3.2.27+ #24 here
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[13:15] <yarekt> Hey all
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[13:19] <yarekt> Im thinking about interfacing MCP3008 with the pi through SPI, How easy is it to talk to it?
[13:19] <yarekt> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/21295d.pdf
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[13:20] <InControl> it is esentially the same as the 3002 on the gertboard so will be quite straight foward
[13:21] <yarekt> InControl: So reading out the values right from SPI in linux ?
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[13:21] <yarekt> i'm not fining much info about it. There was a project on adafruit that did a simple potentiometer volume control, but they didn't use SPI
[13:22] <InControl> https://projects.drogon.net/ might have some useful info
[13:22] <yarekt> I'm quite confused about how it will know how to read it, and doubly so if i need to hook up more than one of these chips
[13:22] <InControl> with SPI you only have two busses to connect to
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[13:23] <InControl> so could only connect 2 chips without messing about with using other GPIO's to select chips
[13:23] <jui-feng> thrawed, Linux raspi 3.2.27+ #24 PREEMPT Sun Aug 19 21:28:36 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[13:23] <yarekt> InControl: Well, doesn't the SPI have two chip selects ? And it should be possible to dasy-chain them after that
[13:24] <thrawed> jui-feng: but you haven't rebooted?
[13:24] <InControl> There are two chip selects, no you can't daisy chain them as each chip needs it's own chip select
[13:24] <jui-feng> thrawed, that 28days was my record
[13:24] <thrawed> oh
[13:24] <InControl> I2C on the otherhand can be daisycahined
[13:25] <jui-feng> since then my pi keeps on crashing when I do rpi-update, so I'm forced to reboot (and do offline rpi-update, and repair partitions) after rpi-update ;)
[13:25] <jui-feng> so my current uptime is 13:22:56 up 1 day, 13:31
[13:25] <InControl> gordonDrogon: is the person to ask about using SPI as he has been working on it
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[13:33] <yarekt> hey gordonDrogon
[13:33] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/bristol-raspberryjam/ write up and a few photos from last night.
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> checking that data sheet.
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[13:35] <gordonDrogon> ok, pretty trivial to hook up to the Pi via SPI.
[13:35] * InControl wants a twitbeeb
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> heh.. sadly their beeb croaked half way through with the usual power supply failure )-:
[13:35] <InControl> must be carefult to include the w
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> that was from the Bristol Hackspace. Hm. ought to credit them.
[13:36] <InControl> needs one of these then http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/100nf-class-x2-capacitor.html
[13:36] <InControl> the X2's are the ones that let out all the smoke
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> yarekt, have a look at my wiringPi code - there's code in there for the A/D in the Gertboard. would be trivial to change for this chip.
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[13:37] <gordonDrogon> apparently there are 2 differenet sets and you can tell which set blew up by the smell!
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> according to the hackspace chaps - they've fixed up quite a few beebs by the sounds of it!
[13:37] <InControl> there are 2 X2's yes
[13:38] <InControl> and sometimes the elcrolyitics dry out
[13:38] <InControl> quite a good bbc micro mailing list at http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro
[13:38] <yarekt> gordonDrogon: sounds like a good start thanks. I'm reading all of that in a new light
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> maybe tandy ought to put together a refurbishment kit :) Someone on eBay refurbishes Beeb PSUs though.
[13:39] <InControl> and forum at http://www.stardot.org.uk/forums/
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> intersting mailing list - looks quite busy too.
[13:39] <darksatanic> That reminds me. one of these days I must find out which RAM chip on my Spectrum is duff, and try to replace it.
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> I've a friend who refurbishes spekkys - buys them cheap, fixes them and sells them on ebay (I think) to pay for his beer and concert tickets!
[13:40] <InControl> yes I have seen the chap doing the PSU refurbs
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> I need an Apple II serial card...
[13:41] <InControl> saves the soldering if people are unable/unwilling to DIY
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> yarekt, https://git.drogon.net/?p=wiringPi;a=blob;f=wiringPi/gertboard.c;h=bd7e60a32ec3c213a87eeea1dd3f80ca30efd953;hb=e636f6213bedb35dad2ab172f5e3f1414e50aaf2
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> yarekt, direct link to the code in wiringPi.
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[13:47] <yarekt> So say gertboardAnalogRead(); That will read 10 bits from the SPI, and it will clock it properly ?
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> yarekt, it appears to do so - you'll need to work out the right command to send to the chip though.
[13:48] <yarekt> gordonDrogon: Is there anything special i need to do with the linux kernel to support SPI ?
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> yarekt, to 'chanbits' is the command plus the channel - I'm sure that will be different for your chip.
[13:48] <yarekt> gordonDrogon: That should be somewhere in the datasheet tho, right?
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> yarekt, just make sure it's a recent kernel - I think support has been in for a while. If you get the wiringPi package and install it, then you can use the gpio command to load the spi drivers; gpio load spi
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[13:49] <gordonDrogon> that also changes permissions in the /dev/ entries too so you can access it from a user program without running as root/sudo.
[13:50] <yarekt> Ok, and last question. Whats so special about SPI? Is it something like hardware accelerated, or is it faster because the work of bitbanging is shifted to the kernel ?
[13:52] <Jck_true> yarekt: Yeah it's pushed off to the kernel
[13:53] <Jck_true> yarekt: I ment pushed off to the hardware
[13:56] <Matt> good morning piians
[13:56] <Gadgetoid> Whoops, WiringPi Python is borken :(
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> oh?
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[14:01] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Haha, my git skillz fail
[14:01] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: I've pushed an update that makes it build for me, but the git submodule wasn't pulling in the latest changes from the main wiringPi repository, all crazy stuff
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> yarekt, SPI is synchronous and full duplex. Essentially you push a byte out and get a byte back (most of the time). the synchronous nature does away with start/stop bits that you get in rs232 type comms. it's also faster - up to 10MHz IIRC.
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I'm sure you'll resolve it :)
[14:02] <jui-feng> Gadgetoid, git submodules are always frozen at a specified commit. there's some way to update submodules though :)
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, but if it's something I've broken in my GIT newb world, do let me know!
[14:03] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Negatory, all my fault :D
[14:03] <Gadgetoid> jui-feng: Yeah, found that out the hard way it seems :D
[14:03] <jui-feng> Gadgetoid, learning by doing is always great :)
[14:03] <Gadgetoid> It's kinda obvious in retrospect, but I didn't know you had to pull the submodule and then re-commit
[14:04] <yarekt> gordonDrogon: That sounds promising. But is there any way of running more than 2 chips just with SPI ?
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[14:09] <gordonDrogon> yarekt, you can run 2 chips, yes, as the Pi has 2 separate chip-select outputs. to run more than 2 chips requires that the chips themselves have sub-addressing support and I don't think these ones do.
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[14:11] <yarekt> Why isn't it possible to daisy chain multiple chips, Have output of one go into the input of the other, so you have to clock it twice to read everything (i'm going to be reading all channels sequentially anyway)
[14:13] <darksatanic> From what little I recall of reading about SPI, that's exactly what you can do.
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> you need a separate chip-select from each SPI slave device though.
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> and the Pi only has 2 CS's built in.
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> if you want to bit-bang it, then you can have about 10 chip-selects...
[14:17] <yarekt> gordonDrogon: I think there is a way that the chips switch their CS lines to high impedance to let other's read the data: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/SPI_three_slaves_daisy_chained.svg/350px-SPI_three_slaves_daisy_chained.svg.png
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> er, well good luck writing the code to decode that stream of data ...
[14:19] <dennistlg> my led cube uses more than two chips
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> some SPI devices have a sub-address scheme where they have (e.g.) 3 address pins, so you can connect up to 8 together - then the commands you send have the address encoded into the command to select the chip.
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, more than 2 SPI chips?
[14:20] <dennistlg> yes but they have a serial out.
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> ok
[14:21] <dennistlg> http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/74HC_HCT595.pdf
[14:21] <dennistlg> page 5
[14:21] <dennistlg> pin 9 on the ic
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[14:22] <dennistlg> need 13 of those chips
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[14:23] <dennistlg> first conected to pi 12 other each spi input on conected to q7s of the previous chip
[14:23] <DanyO83> yarekt: you can also look at this here: http://jeelabs.org/2011/12/24/trying-to-improve-on-the-spi-bus/
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[14:23] <dennistlg> like this: http://www.part.lt/img/89ceec40a2a436a6efe9b0f02f968b8c357.jpg
[14:24] <yarekt> Yea thats something like what i'm thinking
[14:25] <yarekt> I've built a project with a PIC couple of years ago, it had 128 digital inputs, all multiplexed into 4 wire serial interface. using daisy chaining
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[14:30] <gordonDrogon> that's a shift register not an SPI device...
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[14:32] <dennistlg> hm gordon yes there is a difference
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[14:33] <yarekt> It should be possible to do this without using the shift register malarky
[14:33] <habstinat> Would it be possible to send SMS with custom signatures from the Pi without a dongle?
[14:33] <Gadgetoid> Arduino ftwiiiiiin
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[14:36] <yarekt> How do the chips get their address, Is there a bunch of pins that you need to set ?
[14:37] <yarekt> oh wait, thats i2c bus right?
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> habstinat, there are various web to sms gateways - so as long as the Pi was connected to the interweb...
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> yarekt, I2C devices have a unique ID, but even then, some have sub-addressing, so a device might have id of 0x40, but actually respond to 0x40 through 0x47 depending on the state of 3 external address pins...
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> some GPIO expanders do this (both I2c and spi)
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[14:42] <yarekt> Yea, this is possible, but it depends what kind of commands the chips have
[14:43] <yarekt> basically, if every chip has a delay of one command, you send 3 commands down the MOSI, each chip forwards it on unless CS goes high. Once they have propogated to their correct positions, you pull CS high, and all chips execute the command that they are fed
[14:44] <yarekt> this would be difficult to implement in code however
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[14:45] <gordonDrogon> do you need more than 16 analog inputs?
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[14:45] <mrichards> hi
[14:46] <yarekt> depends now many can be processed at a reasonable speed. Ideally about 30-40 would be nice
[14:47] <yarekt> these are all 10 bit ADCs, If i go with a 12bit i can only find a chip with 2 ADCs on it
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[14:47] <yarekt> but i guess i can live with 16 for now. it makes things alot easier
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[14:48] <InControl> could use a binary decoder
[14:48] <InControl> then you would get 4 CS lines from 2
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> you could use an ATmega, get it to pre-process the data (low pass filter, e.g.) buffer it then tx. it to the Pi...
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[14:50] <Tu13es> yay
[14:50] <Tu13es> i got my rpi finally
[14:50] <Tu13es> and i don't have a SD card at work to play with it :)
[14:50] <Tu13es> :(
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> atmega1024 has 16 analog inputs..
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[14:52] <yarekt> maybe abit of an overkill
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[14:52] <gordonDrogon> possibly :)
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[14:57] <yarekt> i'll try hooking up just two for now. I've got a bunch more work to do before i need to go beyond 16 inputs
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[14:59] <yarekt> I need a break now though. I think i've forgotten to eat
[15:00] <Matt> I read that as "I need a brick"
[15:00] <Matt> which given all the discussion about power supplies wouldn't be that unusual
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[15:02] <voidn> Good day!
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[15:09] <Umo111> Would a raspberrypi be suitable for running a webserver. I'm just looking to post my resume and such online.
[15:09] <voidn> Umo111: Static pages then, I guess?
[15:09] <Umo111> Yeah
[15:09] <Matt> should be able to handle that sorta thing without any trouble
[15:09] <voidn> Umo111: If you are expecting a lot of visitors, it would probably buckle quickly. The occasional download would be okay though.
[15:10] <Matt> static content for a light traffic site
[15:10] <Umo111> Right on. Thanks
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[15:12] <th0mz> Do you know wich protocol is used for camera remote ? (wired not ir) like this one : http://www.digitaltoyshop.co.uk/ORIGINAL_CANON_RS-60E3_REMOTE_CONTROL_Canon_Powershot_G12_t2197_5315
[15:12] <th0mz> could it be driven by a gpio ?
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[15:13] <th0mz> http://www.doc-diy.net/photo/eos_wired_remote/
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[15:17] <DarkTherapy> yeh
[15:18] <Midasx> I'm having an issue on ArchLinux, pacman can't find raspberrypi-firmware, the request for teh package results in a 404
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[15:18] <Midasx> I have used rpi-update though so not sure why it is looking for it
[15:19] <DarkTherapy> th0mz: yes, but Arduino would be easier IMO
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[15:21] <Midasx> So is anyone running arch? and if so can you successfully run pacman -Syu ?
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[15:23] <pwillard> grrr... Been trying to get my usb wifi working for 2 days... tested on a windows PC... USB wifi adapter is actually broken.
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[15:24] <Umo111> Ouch. Usually it's the software that's bad
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[15:25] <aykut_> Midasx, whats the problem ?
[15:25] <Midasx> error: failed retrieving file 'raspberrypi-firmware-20120820-1-any.pkg.tar.xz' from mirror.archlinuxarm.org : The requested URL returned error: 404
[15:25] <Midasx> Is the exact error
[15:26] <DarkTherapy> can you download it on another machine?
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[15:27] <Midasx> Not sure, where can I find the full URL? And doesn't rpi-update do that?
[15:27] <DarkTherapy> just type it in your browser
[15:28] <Midasx> DarkTherapy: But I doubt that the full URL is just mirror.archlinuxarm.org/raspberrypi-firmware-20120820-1-any.pkg.tar.xz
[15:28] <DarkTherapy> could try
[15:29] <Midasx> http://mirror.archlinuxarm.org/arm/alarm/
[15:29] <th0mz> DarkTherapy: Ok, thanks.
[15:30] <aykut_> i m downloading it with pacman -Syu right now
[15:30] <aykut_> raspberrypi-firmwar... 11.7 MiB 331K/s 00:36 [######################] 100%
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[15:31] <Midasx> Hmm... Okay so maybe I need to update my repo's or something, any idea how?
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[15:35] <voidn> Midasx: Synced your repos yet?
[15:36] <Midasx> voidn: is that pacman -Syy?
[15:36] <aykut_> hmm i guess
[15:36] <voidn> Actually, just -Sy. -Syu syncs and upgrades.
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[15:37] <devnull42> yo
[15:37] <Midasx> Well I have been running -Syu so it has synced I believe
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[15:46] <Midasx> Just had to change the repo from teh automated geoIP one to teh finnish one
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[15:50] <xenn> Anyone managed to get an EasyCap DC60 working with the RPi?
[15:50] <xenn> Getting timeouts when i run motion
[15:50] <xenn> But i can see video0 in /dev
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[15:51] <xenn> Followed this guide http://bufobufomagic.blogspot.com/2012/07/make-disk-image-mac-diskutil-list-sudo.html
[15:51] <xenn> But nada
[15:51] <xenn> Anyone with experience with this?
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[15:54] <devnull42> xenn: never worked with it myself, but that looks like a cool project
[15:55] <xenn> I brought myself one of these little EasyCap DC60s and wanted to turn it in to a cheap CCTV server
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[16:00] <cornflake> hola
[16:00] <cornflake> http://pibow.com/ anyone order one of these?
[16:00] <devnull42> I only got my Pi last week. I'm still running Wheezy on it for now.
[16:00] <devnull42> hey cornflake
[16:00] <cornflake> what's up buddy
[16:00] <cornflake> i just got mine last week as well
[16:00] <andypiper> i saw some pibows at oggcamp this weekend, they look really nice
[16:00] <cornflake> cool
[16:00] <cornflake> yeah i ordered one
[16:00] <devnull42> I thought about getting one. I ordered a different case from adafruit yesterday
[16:01] <thrawed> I have a modmypi
[16:01] <cornflake> i know the only thing is i dont want to wait
[16:01] <cornflake> but eh
[16:01] <andypiper> I have the lego case, and one of the skpang cases??? not sure what to house my third one in :-)
[16:01] <buZz> 3d printed cases <3
[16:02] <thrawed> cornflake: you could always turn up on pauls doorstep and trade a pibow for sexual favours
[16:02] <andypiper> i really like the 3d printed one with lego mounts on the base
[16:02] <thrawed> andypiper: skpang sell the adafruit case too now
[16:02] <mm0zct> mine both just sit on my desk
[16:02] <andypiper> cool
[16:02] <andypiper> skpang rocks
[16:02] <devnull42> I saw that one aluminum case that was very nice with the etched skull, but I'm not paying twice as much for a csae as i did for the computer
[16:02] <buZz> arcol's alu cases?
[16:02] <buZz> on indiegogo
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[16:39] <gordonDrogon> my PiTrak - Mk1 ... https://projects.drogon.net/adafruit-protoplate-for-the-rasbperry-pi/ :)
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[16:43] <buZz> nice gordonDrogon
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[16:44] <buZz> on what does that shield rest?
[16:44] <buZz> hmm, 16 usd for a pcb with some headers seems excessive :P
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[16:48] <xarragon> buZz: What you pay for is the time savings offered compared to making your own board. It is appropiate for some protyping which cannot be done any other way and for which a custom PCB is not appropiate.
[16:48] <pwillard> It fits a biit loose... but there is a rubber bumper for added support
[16:49] <pwillard> Bumper rests on the Ethernet housing
[16:49] <pwillard> I like mine
[16:49] <buZz> which is?
[16:49] <devnull42> buZz: thats a cool case but it wasn't the one I was looking at earlier. I'll try to find the one i saw.
[16:49] <GriffenJBS> anyone currently using a RTL8188CUS? I can't get it to work again
[16:49] <nx5> i'm using one
[16:50] <nx5> I compiled the module from source
[16:51] <buZz> http://adafruit.com/products/966 ohhhh cool
[16:51] <GriffenJBS> nx5: using raspbian?
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> it fits into the GPIO connector and on the opposite corner there is a rubber bumper that sits on-top of the Ethernet socket.
[16:51] <nx5> yes
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[16:51] <GriffenJBS> nx5: I tried but can't find the kernel source, what is the default path?
[16:51] <nx5> I had to get the kernel from their git repository
[16:51] <buZz> gordonDrogon: ah ok, nice
[16:52] <nx5> 1 sec i'll look for it
[16:52] <buZz> maybe i'll just etch my own semiuniversal board
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> yea, that uSD card is just like the one the chap crowd sourced recently...
[16:52] <pwillard> The adafruit disto for PI has wireless driver
[16:53] <devnull42> buZz: That low profile microSD adapter is nice. I'll be ordering one when in stock.
[16:53] <pwillard> Pi compatible maybe? http://www.eye.fi/
[16:54] <GriffenJBS> buZz: have you seen http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/443556734/pio-microsd-adapter-for-raspberry-pi
[16:55] <nx5> GriffenJBS: https://www.grendelman.net/wp/compiling-kernel-modules-for-raspbian-raspberry-pi/
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[16:56] <GriffenJBS> nx5: very nice, thanks
[16:56] <nx5> after you compile the new module you should also blacklist the "bad" rtl8192 module that raspbian loads automatically for the rtl8188cus
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> make up a 2nd one of these: http://unicorn.drogon.net/piNes.jpg
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[17:04] <warddr> Hello all, when the raspberry pi is shut down, is there a way to power it back on without unplugging and replugging the power supply?
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[17:06] <devnull42> does the nic support WOL?
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[17:07] <[SLB]> i was thinking about that too but i think it doesn't?
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[17:08] <gordonDrogon> warddr, you can shut it down? Mine seems to reboot when I try halt, init 0, etc. )-:
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> warddr, however there is a reset pin that I think you can get to if you want to do sole soldering...
[17:09] <[SLB]> i use sudo poweroff
[17:09] <warddr> indeed sudo poweroff works
[17:11] <jui-feng> I remember that shutdown -h now worked for me once, too
[17:12] <pwillard> Mine shutsdown as expected. I wonder it you can wake it again if you have a serial terminal attached?
[17:13] <bircoe> perhaps give WoL a go
[17:14] <pwillard> yeah, that's the ticket
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[17:45] <hadifarnoud> how can I mount hfs+ partition with write permission?
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[17:50] <lrusak> in what OS?
[17:50] <lrusak> it can't be journaled
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[18:07] <hadifarnoud> which one is lighter for Pi. Transmission or uTorrent?
[18:08] <mrdragons> Prolly around the same
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[18:15] <warddr> hadifarnoud, I used them both on a very low end VPS and they both worked fine.
[18:15] <hadifarnoud> cheers warddr
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[18:17] <warddr> hadifarnoud, sorry, I was confusing utorrent with rtorrent. I tested rtorrent and transmission
[18:17] <hadifarnoud> yeah. couldn't find utorrent here either
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[18:20] <thrawed> why would you use utorrent on a linux box?
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[18:20] <thrawed> I recommend transmission
[18:20] <thrawed> there's also daemon and cli versions of transmission
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[18:20] <hadifarnoud> installing as we speak thrawed
[18:21] <hadifarnoud> :D
[18:21] <thrawed> there's also a web interface
[18:21] <hadifarnoud> only if I had access to router here :( behind stupid NAT
[18:21] <warddr> I prefere the deamon where I can remotely use transmission-remote-gtk to add / manage torrents
[18:22] <hadifarnoud> I use deamon with xbmc
[18:22] <thrawed> hadifarnoud: you could always make your pi the dmz
[18:22] <warddr> hadifarnoud, all ports are most likely open to computers in the same NAT
[18:22] <thrawed> warddr: he probably wants to port forward so he can access his pi from outside
[18:23] <hadifarnoud> I'm quite a noob in networking. what is dmz?
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[18:23] <zleap> yay
[18:23] <zleap> i got back in here
[18:23] <hadifarnoud> that's right. for access outside NAT warddr
[18:23] <warddr> to give dmz to a device you also need access to the NAT router
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[18:23] <warddr> I use an ipv6 tunnel to break out of any NAT :D
[18:24] <hadifarnoud> how warddr?
[18:24] <hadifarnoud> I don't think I have IPv6 support in my router. not sure
[18:24] <hadifarnoud> it's 2012 and we still using v4. sucks!
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[18:24] <warddr> hadifarnoud, you don't need support in that router, that's the great thing about it, the tunnel uses ipv4 to tunnel out, and give you a public accessible IPv6
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[18:24] <Dagger2> `apt-get install miredo` does a reasonable job for single clients
[18:25] <hadifarnoud> thats cool warddr. any tutorial on that?
[18:25] <Dagger2> and if you feel like a bit more effort, tunnelbroker.net do configured tunnels that can be made to work behind NAT. your v6 router doesn't have to be the same device as your v4 router
[18:25] <hadifarnoud> cheers Dagger2
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[18:26] <[SLB]> hurricane electric?
[18:26] <Dagger2> hadifarnoud: the problem with miredo (or rather, Teredo) is that the address will change constantly, so it's great for clients but a bit more of a pain for servers
[18:26] <warddr> freenet6 and sixxs also offer tunnels that work behind NAT
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[18:27] <Dagger2> it also might not work very well for you, but it's so easy to test you may as well
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[18:28] <hadifarnoud> I knew there was a way :D I give them all a try. do let me know if u found a good tutorial
[18:29] <jui-feng> before you connect your pi to the internet, make sure you change the passwords to something a little more secure than "raspberry" or whatever the default is (or disable SSH, or use key login for SSH and disable password logins)
[18:30] <zleap> anyone here from Devon & Cornwall ?
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[18:30] <hadifarnoud> jui-feng: will do. thanks for reminding me
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[18:33] <zleap> back shortly
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[18:42] <AR__> just ordered a raspberry pi from mcmelectronics.com
[18:42] <AR__> says they have them in stock
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[18:43] <devnull42> just got mine last week . i didnt think they were ever going to be able to produce them fast enough .
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[18:44] <devnull42> i was going to install arch or slackware but rasbian is working great . no complaints so far .
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[18:45] <devnull42> right now im just using it for irssi and screen . that way i can have a persistant connection to irc . on my iphone right now .
[18:46] <devnull42> i used to use old laptops for this . RPi is a million times better .
[18:47] <marcusw> only issue I have is that blender doesn't work
[18:47] <marcusw> /build/blender-Lp6_xt/blender-2.63a/intern/ghost/intern/GHOST_WindowX11.cpp:197: X11 glXQueryVersion() failed, verify working openGL system!
[18:47] <marcusw> initial window could not find the GLX extension, exit!
[18:47] <marcusw> :/
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[18:48] <devnull42> ahh Im not using any graphics. just cli.
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[18:54] <marcusw> I've gotten similar errors with lots of things
[18:54] <marcusw> am I doing something wrong?
[18:54] <marcusw> I thought the rpi had working dri/glx or whatever they call it these days
[18:55] <marcusw> and I just grabbed blender from the repo
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[19:00] <AR__> what distro is raspian
[19:00] <AR__> debian i assume?
[19:00] <AR__> does it include a window manager?
[19:01] <InControl> yes and yes
[19:01] <AR__> ah
[19:01] <mranostay> no you have to manage your own windows
[19:01] <InControl> clean them too
[19:01] <IT_Sean> Be careful... If you don't manage them properly, they can escape, and you don't get them back
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[19:02] <IT_Sean> You also have to feed them, or they die.
[19:02] <IT_Sean> And dead windows smell awful.
[19:02] <InControl> windows has been dead a long time hasn't it ?
[19:02] <IT_Sean> Heh
[19:02] <lrusak> and don't give them water after midnight
[19:02] <IT_Sean> Yes, but it hasn't stopped moving yet
[19:02] <[SLB]> lol lrusak
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[19:03] * InControl can't believe there are software companies that expect people to be using windows
[19:03] <zleap> AR__, yeah debian
[19:03] <zleap> i think weezy
[19:03] <mranostay> lrusak: why they having surgery?
[19:04] <lrusak> no they will multiply
[19:04] <AR__> i bought an rpi and didnt even read the datasheets yet
[19:05] <zleap> there are quite a few distros avalable
[19:05] <zleap> availab;e
[19:05] <marcusw> there are datasheets?
[19:05] <marcusw> 0.o
[19:05] <AR__> the rpi uses an ARM right?
[19:05] <AR__> lol
[19:06] <zleap> yes
[19:06] <zleap> arm7 i think
[19:06] <AR__> i should have looked at the specs
[19:06] <AR__> ok
[19:06] <AR__> well thats good
[19:06] <lrusak> v6 isn't it?
[19:06] <AR__> plenty of distros to choose from
[19:06] <zleap> even riscos (which isn't Linux based)
[19:07] <zleap> so not a distro, but an OS that was created for the ARM back in the 80's
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[19:07] * zleap is trying to find more local users
[19:07] <AR__> what is the difference between standard debian and raspian o_0
[19:07] <mrdragons> I think I heard netbsd was almost working on it, any news on that?
[19:07] <yarekt> How can you improve on perfection?
[19:08] <zleap> rasbian as a distro has software and stuff for programing
[19:08] <marcusw> AR__: debian uses softfloat, rasbian has hardware fpu support
[19:08] <zleap> so on the desktop there is idle (development thing) and scratch
[19:08] <zleap> marcusw, ah
[19:08] <marcusw> I guess there are other differences, but that's the fundamental one
[19:08] <AR__> ah
[19:09] <zleap> also its built for the raspberry PI
[19:09] <AR__> i dont see how
[19:09] <AR__> standard debian is built for arm
[19:09] <AR__> i was guessing it just had some extra stuff installed for the peripherals
[19:10] <zleap> plus software like scratch available from the start, idle, python, pygame so basically what people need for programming
[19:11] <AR__> i suppose
[19:11] <lrusak> does it include gpio libraries and such?
[19:11] <zleap> i am guessing so, as there are programs that use the gpio
[19:12] <jui-feng> AR__, standard debian has either armv4 (or armv5) "armel" or armv7 "armhf", but there's no armv6 hard float in debian
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[19:12] <AR__> oh ok
[19:13] <jui-feng> it is possible to use debian armel on the rpi, but raspbian should perform better in most cases
[19:13] <jui-feng> (unless you want to use Java, as AFAIK there's no oracle JVM that works on raspbian, and the openjdf can't use the JIT compiler)
[19:13] <AR__> ah
[19:14] <jui-feng> *openjdk
[19:14] <AR__> so basically the better route would be to use raspian and remove the things i dont need, instead of installing the arm debian
[19:16] <yarekt> Oh about that, How do i remove X and friends?
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[19:17] <nid0> apt-get remove lxde xserver
[19:17] <jui-feng> yes, I guess so :) raspbian itself is just a port of debian... they don't provide the official raspbian image, they just compile debian packages for the rpi (trying to keep the diff between raspbian and debian as small as possible) and host a repository.
[19:17] <yarekt> thanks nid0
[19:17] <yarekt> tho xserver was never installed
[19:18] <AR__> yeah jui-feng
[19:20] <trumee> clever: ping
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[19:22] <trumee> can somebody give me a hand in compiling initiramfs. i have written the script http://pastie.org/4563184, but compiling in kernel gives error unknown file type line 10: 'mount'
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[19:23] <Midasx> I'm trying to install X on Arch on my Pi, however it appears I need to isntall some drivers, but I'm not sure which ones, xf86-video-???
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[19:26] <gordonDrogon> Midasx, doesn't Arch have a packages dependancies mechanism to install the ones it needs?
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[19:26] <gordonDrogon> whatever it has, it almost certianly won't be xf86 - it ought to be xorg ...
[19:27] <Midasx> My faieled attempts and this thread are whats made me think i need drivers http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5523
[19:27] <zleap> chat later, i am off to rugby club, btw hi gordonDrogon
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[19:32] <AR__> Midasx, google installing X on ARMv6
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[19:33] <AR__> Midasx, http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=482
[19:33] <chithead> Midasx: xf86-video-fbdev
[19:33] <mrdragons> Midasx: fbdev
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> I'll powere up a pi and see what in mine, but maybe arch have different names to debian.
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[19:35] <Midasx> That seems to have done something!
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> the key ones in Debian appear to be: xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> xf86 is the older xfree86 distribution. I'm surprised arch even has it.
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[19:57] <AC`97> yay @ amazon glacier
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[19:58] <AC`97> i wonder when new cheaper backup services will pop up
[19:58] <konobi> anyone from element14/RS about at all?
[19:58] <AR__> why
[19:58] <AC`97> ^
[19:58] <AR__> order from mcmelectronics
[19:58] <AR__> they are in stock
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[19:58] <konobi> AR__: ordering question
[19:59] <AR__> email them
[19:59] <konobi> pppfffttt
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[20:04] <yarekt> I've ordered mine from element14, was fine, arrived after a couple of days
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[20:05] <devnull42> yeah. took about a week to get mine from element14
[20:06] <devnull42> but the site showed they were out of stock when i ordered it.
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[20:07] <AR__> i was going to order from newark element14
[20:07] <AR__> but then found mcm and it is closeby
[20:07] <AR__> and says in stock and people say they were shipping
[20:07] <AR__> so why not
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[20:13] <devnull42> i would too if they are in stock. the sooner the better.
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[20:17] <JeffWBrooktree> Hi there. Did someone here succesfully run an etherpad lite on the pi without errors loading packages from npm?
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[20:34] [kwerk VERSION]
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[20:45] <pwillard> so I replaced my borked ASUS N13 with a Netgear N150 (thought they had the same chip... my bad)
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[21:17] <aec> how can I test whether the sd card I loaded is fine?
[21:17] <AC`97> try to boot??
[21:17] <aec> AC`97: it wont boot
[21:17] <AC`97> red led, very dim green led
[21:18] <AC`97> ?
[21:18] <chris_99> the RPi uses mini usb right?
[21:18] <AC`97> chris_99: micro.
[21:18] <aec> AC`97: the red power light is on, the OK led is not very visible
[21:18] <AC`97> aec: what card reader did you use on the card??
[21:18] <aec> aec: the one on my computer
[21:18] <aec> cough*
[21:18] <aec> AC`97: the one on my computer
[21:18] <AC`97> lol
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[21:19] <AC`97> hmm
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[21:19] <AC`97> some people have reported success with writing it a few more times
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[21:19] <aec> AC`97: would trying a different image help?
[21:19] <Amadiro> aec, try to md5sum it
[21:19] <Amadiro> see if the image arrived successfully
[21:19] <aec> Amadiro:
[21:19] <aec> Amadiro: ok, I'll
[21:20] <AC`97> oh. why didn't i think of that. md5!
[21:20] <Amadiro> You might need to `dd` the image back first, I don't know how md5sum behaves exactly on blockdevices
[21:20] <Amadiro> or you can just md5sum a bunch of the stuff on it
[21:20] <Amadiro> also, try to mount it, if its completely borked, that shouldn't work, for instance
[21:21] <aec> Amadiro: I don't know. I'll just look at the manual to see how md5 sum works
[21:21] <aec> Amadiro: also I can't mount it after hanving dd'ed it first, but I can format it back to ext2 and then mount it, for example
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[21:21] <TimRiker> pandaboard
[21:21] <Amadiro> aec, did you md5sum your image after downloading
[21:22] <aec> Amadiro: I just did now. should I compare its output with the .img.sha1 I have?
[21:22] <TimRiker> ww
[21:22] * streetuff is mixing it... http://oldenburger-schule.de:8000/dj-placebo
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[21:22] <streetuff> enjoy!
[21:22] <Amadiro> aec, sha1 =/= md5sum, you'll need to sha1 it
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[21:22] <aec> Amadiro: my bad. I'm doing that then
[21:23] <Amadiro> aec, but yes, you should compare it to whatevers provided by the distro download site
[21:24] <aec> Amadiro: I think it matches. I'll diff to make sure
[21:24] <aec> Amadiro: it matches. so my image is correct
[21:24] <aec> how long does Rpi take to boot?
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[21:24] <Essobi> I give up... How long?
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[21:25] <markllama> <wiseowl>Three!</wiseowl>
[21:25] <markllama> Sorry, I haven't timed mine with Raspbian
[21:25] <Amadiro> aec, like 30 seconds or so
[21:26] <aec> I'm not asking seconds or miliseconds...
[21:26] <markllama> I'm guessing 15 sec or so from power on to login prompt (no X11)
[21:26] <aec> ok, 30
[21:26] <Amadiro> aec, typically sshd comes on after 25 seconds or so, I think
[21:26] <aec> because I want to make sure I'm trying to ssh it after it has booted
[21:26] <Amadiro> aec, all the LEDs will turn off briefly and turn back on before the network interface comes on, after that maybe wait 10 more minutes for the rbpi to acquire an address and the sshd to start
[21:27] <Amadiro> aec, connecting it to a screen might help in debugging.. but might be that it just waits forever for a DHCP answer or so
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[21:28] <aec> Amadiro: I don't know. I tried with a monitor at first; hdmi first, s-video to scart to an old tv the second time
[21:28] <aec> Amadiro: I didn't get any visual
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[21:28] <markllama> time to make a serial connection
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[21:29] <Amadiro> aec, sounds like something's broken.
[21:30] <aec> Amadiro: hm... I hope it's something besides my rpi -.-
[21:30] <Amadiro> might be the power supply
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[21:30] <aec> okay, 5V 800A
[21:31] <aec> i mean miliampers
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[21:31] <aec> Amadiro: that should be sufficien, right?
[21:31] <AC`97> aec: i hope you dd'd to /dev/sdX instead of /dev/sdX1, etc..
[21:31] <aec> AC`97: I dd'ed to sdc1
[21:31] <aec> AC`97: was I not supposed to?
[21:31] <AC`97> ...
[21:31] <aec> ...
[21:31] <AC`97> do it again.
[21:32] <aec> okay boss ...
[21:32] <AC`97> with just sdc
[21:33] <aec> why not sdc1 though... it was at sdc1...
[21:33] <AC`97> because the image is an image of a virtual "drive", compelte with MBR and partitions
[21:34] <AC`97> or perhaps it's just an MBR and partition table with one partition in it. same difference.
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[21:34] <aec> AC`97: I see, I ran the command again and am waiting for the result
[21:34] <aec> AC`97: think it'll solve? or have I bricked it already?
[21:34] <aec> AC`97: I would bet for having bricked it
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[21:36] <AC`97> it's impossible to brick.
[21:36] <AC`97> there's no actual firmware on the RPi
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[21:39] <aec> I think I booted it
[21:39] <aec> and when I say I bricked it, I mean having turned it into a brick
[21:39] <AC`97> (:
[21:39] <aec> = broke it
[21:39] <AC`97> yah.
[21:40] <aec> is that the proper usage of it by the way? I really don't know
[21:40] <aec> anyway, I can see pi on my router
[21:40] <AC`97> yes, possibly
[21:40] <aec> so it booted and dhcpc'ed successfully
[21:40] <AC`97> i think the most likely way to "brick" your pi is to short something together
[21:41] <AC`97> mainly, the 5v and 3.3v lines
[21:41] <aec> AC`97: that's usually where I mess up
[21:41] <aec> AC`97: I short the microprocessors I buy because I'm too hasty to check the datasheets for power requierements
[21:41] <AC`97> ......
[21:42] <AC`97> behold, my aluminum plate of shorting death!
[21:42] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NthSeCDByROcaJDX9mojJvDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
[21:42] <aec> i hope this is work-safe -.-
[21:42] <AC`97> it is.
[21:42] * aec crosses fingers
[21:42] <AC`97> i'm at work too.
[21:43] <AC`97> but i'm the boss. LIKE A BOSS.
[21:44] <aec> that looks smexy
[21:44] <AC`97> there's like less than a quarter millimeter of space between the heatsink and some chips :P
[21:44] <aec> I can't take anything electronical to work -.-
[21:44] <aec> I can't even take an mp3 player
[21:44] <aec> god I hate my work
[21:44] <BCMM> what
[21:44] <aec> I'll go to my corner and cry
[21:44] <BCMM> what is that heatsink for?
[21:44] <aec> anyway, thanks for the help AC`97
[21:44] <AC`97> aec: no problemo ^_^
[21:44] <AC`97> BCMM: what are heatsinks for??
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[21:45] <BCMM> i mean, why does it need those?
[21:45] <AC`97> i guess my heatsink helped prevent the chips from cracking when i used liquid nitrogen for cooling.
[21:45] <AC`97> BCMM: overclock. 1.3GHz
[21:46] <BCMM> can't tell if you're joking about the n2l
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[21:46] <BCMM> hmm that doesn't really look right without formatting
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[21:50] <AC`97> ...
[21:50] <AC`97> i really tried it
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[21:53] <Amadiro> AC`97, you can't apply the nitrogen/helium directly to the chip, the bga balls will crack immediately etc
[21:53] <AC`97> indeed. hence the heatsink.
[21:53] <Amadiro> You need to cool down a surface that's connected to the top or so, and preferably don't do it too fast
[21:54] <Amadiro> Also, don't go below -85??C or so
[21:54] <AC`97> i didn't have a temperature sensor. only my fingers XD
[21:54] <AC`97> "no frostbite yet!"
[21:55] <Amadiro> AC`97, buy some dallas one-wire temperature sensors, those react very quickly to temperature change and don't need to be calibrated
[21:55] <AC`97> heh, the nitrogen thing was only for fun
[21:55] <AC`97> won't have it when the RPi is inside my motorcycle :P
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[21:58] <GriffenJBS> nx5: thanks again for the help, it all works now
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[21:58] <nx5> great :)
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[21:59] <GriffenJBS> It all word before the update last week, there was a kernel update for raspbian that broke my modules
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[22:03] <AC`97> "Another fix for 10 second hang on closing sound driver" <- ahah! so that's where it was coming from...
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[22:14] <gordonDrogon> evening ...
[22:14] <nid0> ello
[22:15] <thrawed> evening
[22:17] <Matt> ello gord
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[22:23] <hadifarnoud> any1 know xbmc well? I have a problem
[22:23] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[22:23] <hadifarnoud> with playing some files
[22:23] * hadifarnoud is hopeful
[22:23] <AC`97> also, oh joy. i just upgraded kernel + firmware, and rebooted to solid red and dim green leds
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> Matt, gord?
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> )-:
[22:25] <Matt> not an acceptable abbreviation? :)
[22:25] <Matt> perhaps you'd prefer gordo or gordy ;)
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> hate it )-:
[22:25] <AC`97> gordo :D
[22:25] <Matt> or perhaps "G"
[22:26] <thrawed> perhaps the drogonator
[22:26] * gordonDrogon mutters.
[22:26] <AC`97> nogord?
[22:26] <thrawed> yo drog
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[22:27] <gordonDrogon> I never understood why people shorten names.
[22:27] <thrawed> gordie?
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[22:27] <thrawed> don?
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[22:27] <gordonDrogon> well, some names are designed to be shortened, but in my life the only place where people have shortened my name is England.
[22:27] <Matt> cause we're lazy?
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[22:27] <gordonDrogon> in Scotland it was never an issue.
[22:27] <thrawed> I don't like my full name
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> change it...
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> I do like my full name, but it was a pita to handwrite when I was a kid!
[22:28] <nid0> I have one of those designed-to-be-shortened names :>
[22:28] <GriffenJBS> how is gordie short for gordon?
[22:29] <thrawed> what's hard to write about henderson?
[22:29] <AC`97> gordo sounds better
[22:29] <AC`97> debu debu debu~
[22:29] * AC`97 hides
[22:29] <GriffenJBS> and is actually shorter
[22:29] <GriffenJBS> my father is named Danny, people call him Daniel and other longer things all the time
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> Gordon Henderson .. it's 15 letters long, a lot when starting to write..
[22:29] <thrawed> GriffenJBS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordie_Howe
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> My Grandad was James Gordon Henderson, my dad James Henderson, me ...
[22:30] <GriffenJBS> I understand Jon for Jonathan
[22:30] <thrawed> jon is such a bullshit name
[22:30] <thrawed> just stick a bloody h in there
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> :)
[22:31] <GriffenJBS> if it's short for Jonathan than there is a point
[22:32] <GriffenJBS> I don't get the people who thing Jon is short for John wtf!?
[22:32] <GriffenJBS> *think
[22:32] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/201.jpg = dead.
[22:32] * AC`97 cries
[22:32] <nid0> power cycle it
[22:32] <AC`97> i did
[22:32] <AC`97> solid red, dim green led
[22:32] <devnull42> what's funny is that jack is a nickname for john. even though they have the same number of letters.
[22:32] <GriffenJBS> AC`97: how did you get the SS?
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[22:33] <AC`97> ssh.
[22:33] <Matt> my personal annoyance is "Mat"
[22:33] <AC`97> it was still on my screen
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> Jock in Scotland too, although it is a name in its own right.
[22:33] <AC`97> until i accidentally control+d'd just then
[22:33] <Matt> I am a person, not something you wipe your feet on
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[22:33] <devnull42> Matt: hehe
[22:34] <devnull42> I have seen 'Step' for 'Stephanie'
[22:34] <devnull42> why not just include the 'h'
[22:35] <nid0> its quite funny sometimes hearing/seeing the misspellings people manage for my girlfriend's surname
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> why not just say stephanie ...
[22:35] <nid0> "thats Collings" "Collins?" "no, Collings, with a G" "Gollins?" /facepalm
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> could be worse - Davis vs Davies.
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> or some other welsh name you have to spit half way through..
[22:36] <AC`97> the vid ?
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[22:36] <Matt> yeah yeah :)
[22:37] <Matt> damn laptop
[22:37] <Matt> this window didn't have focus
[22:37] <AC`97> craptop? :D
[22:37] <Matt> so why send the input there?
[22:37] <Matt> also
[22:37] * Matt laps his own wrist for language
[22:37] <Matt> I ought to know better
[22:37] <AC`97> om nom nom lapping.
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[22:38] <AC`97> so now i have a dead RPi and no cardreader D:
[22:38] <AC`97> and the cardreader in my laptop is non-sdhc
[22:38] <devnull42> dead RPi?
[22:38] <AC`97> well, i guess it has soemthing to do with the SD card, since it was right after a kernel+firmware update
[22:39] <AC`97> either bad firmware, or dead card
[22:39] <[SLB]> i just upgraded, all fine
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[22:39] <AC`97> hmm
[22:39] <AC`97> archlinux??
[22:39] <devnull42> ahh. i should probably get a backup RPi. Should build a HA failover setup.
[22:39] <[SLP]> Linux pi 3.2.27+ #41 PREEMPT Tue Aug 21 15:51:24 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[22:39] <[SLP]> no raspbian
[22:40] <devnull42> no rasbian?
[22:40] <[SLP]> *no, raspbian
[22:40] <devnull42> ahh.
[22:40] <devnull42> same here
[22:40] <devnull42> love arch though
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> think I'll see if I can work out how to fix my unary minus problem with my BASIC. it's been annoying me for a while.
[22:42] <AC`97> o.o
[22:43] <AC`97> devnull42: ILoveCandy?
[22:44] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/202.jpg pacman goes om nom nom
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> goes yum yum yum here..
[22:45] <AC`97> lol
[22:47] <GriffenJBS> AC`97: so how did you get the screen to bitmap form?
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> yum yum yum - at about 0:25 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSVD3nzsIyA
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[22:52] <AC`97> GriffenJBS: scrot
[22:53] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/203.jpg like zees
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> anyone here know about http://www.raspihub.com/ ?
[22:55] <TeeCee> nop
[22:55] <TeeCee> sweet
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[22:58] <TeeCee> Anyone knows if there is some kind of Raspberry Community Radio or something?
[22:58] <TeeCee> Want some music while I'm working.. :p
[22:58] <buZz> lol
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[23:02] <zleap> hello
[23:03] <TeeCee> Hi
[23:03] <zleap> hi
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[23:03] <zleap> just got back from rugby club an hour ago, and spent about the last hour sorting stuff out on the website relating to the club, all done now :)
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[23:03] <TeeCee> Hmm... Was it so that rpi-update was not included i Raspbian?
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[23:04] <buZz> TeeCee: yes
[23:05] <TeeCee> buZz: Why?
[23:05] <buZz> eh
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[23:05] <buZz> its not a debian package
[23:05] <TeeCee> Aah, ok... So there is no reason not to use it?
[23:05] <buZz> nope, afaik raspbian doesnt even come with a kernel
[23:06] <TeeCee> Hmm... I think I have something I need to read about.. :p I was a bit "surprised" when I heard about the firmware-updater... Not used to installing firmwares on computers.. :p
[23:07] <buZz> weird, where have you been living? :P
[23:07] <TeeCee> :p
[23:07] <buZz> anyway, the 'firmware' it installs just go to SD card
[23:07] <buZz> goes*
[23:08] <TeeCee> I know there are firmwares on NICs and controllers and such, but not on my laptop... I guess it is just because I haven't checked.. :p
[23:08] <TeeCee> Ok... some of the files under /boot?
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[23:09] <buZz> TeeCee: the firmware for your laptops device is probably inside the driver
[23:09] <buZz> or in /lib/firmware/
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[23:09] <TeeCee> Jup
[23:09] <buZz> i think the fat32 gets mounted as /boot yes
[23:09] <TeeCee> That's why I haven't bothered with those.. :p
[23:10] <TeeCee> and the RPi firmware lives under /boot...
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[23:20] <hadifarnoud> any1 knows any IPv6 tunneling for raspbian? Miredo does not exist on repository
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[23:24] <hadifarnoud> how can I install miredo on Raspbian?
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[23:31] <Dagger2> hadifarnoud: you sure? there's a .deb in the repository - http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/m/miredo/
[23:32] <hadifarnoud> I found that too
[23:32] <hadifarnoud> apt-get install miredo
[23:32] <hadifarnoud> am I missing anything?
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[23:32] <Dagger2> that should be sufficient... though try `apt-get update` first, in case your local copy is out of date
[23:33] <hadifarnoud> done that too Dagger2
[23:33] <hadifarnoud> maybe I just get the package and install deb file?
[23:33] <Dagger2> oh, wait
[23:33] <Dagger2> having actually looked at the list of files in that folder, no, there's not a .deb in the repository
[23:34] <hadifarnoud> I thought it's in .gz
[23:34] <Dagger2> there's a source archive for it, but no .deb, so I guess it's not being build for whatever reason
[23:34] <Dagger2> that's just the source
[23:34] <hadifarnoud> can I build it?
[23:35] <hadifarnoud> can't do /.configure
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[23:36] <Dagger2> you can try, but it might well fail (otherwise Raspian's build system would presumably have built it already)
[23:36] <hadifarnoud> :(
[23:36] <hadifarnoud> any other IPv6 tunneling package u know?
[23:36] <hadifarnoud> miredo sound really simple. damn
[23:38] <Dagger2> gogoc seems to be in Raspbian
[23:38] <Dagger2> it may however require an account with them to work
[23:39] <Dagger2> tunnelbroker.net tunnels don't need a client (they use the built-in tunneling support), but getting those working behind a NAT can sometimes be a pain
[23:40] <hadifarnoud> both gogoc and tunnelbroker?
[23:40] <hadifarnoud> the whole reason for me is passing this crappy NAT
[23:41] <Dagger2> do you have access to the router to put yourself in the DMZ?
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[23:41] <hadifarnoud> no
[23:41] <hadifarnoud> that's why I can't change it :(
[23:42] <hadifarnoud> company router, can't do anything
[23:42] <Dagger2> ok, so a tunnelbroker.net tunnel is probably a bad idea
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[23:43] <hadifarnoud> i'm signing up with gogo6 now. seems free
[23:44] <Dagger2> I'm just testing gogoc. looks like you don't even have to get an account if you just want a single IP
[23:44] <Dagger2> just install and run the client
[23:44] <hadifarnoud> cool
[23:45] <Dagger2> however a) I expect the IP will change, and b) the tunnel server is 300ms away from me... I *think* if you sign up for an account you can pick which tunnel server to use
[23:45] <hadifarnoud> ok. I have to find a tutorial for it. there is no man for gogoc
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[23:48] <gordonDrogon> cant you just load the kernel module and give it the tunnel endpoint?
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> I have native IPv6 here, so never bothered with the tunnels.
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[23:48] <hadifarnoud> how can I test it guys?
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> ping6 some ipv6 site.
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> e.g. wt.drogon.net ...
[23:49] <mike007> anyone had issues with osx not creating a proper image for the SD card?
[23:49] <mike007> I use dd and then insert the card back into my computer and it is unreadable
[23:49] <hadifarnoud> I did mike007
[23:49] <hadifarnoud> try again
[23:50] <hadifarnoud> I tried a few times
[23:50] <mike007> ok, thanks
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[23:51] <hadifarnoud> ok ifconfig says my ipv6 is fe80::ba27:ebff:fed5:4eee/64
[23:52] <hadifarnoud> can any1 ping me?
[23:52] <ghenry> Hi all. Been trawling the forum. I was wondering if I can use the GPIO to power my sons toys that have 2 x AA 1.5V batteries in them?
[23:52] <Dagger2> that's a link-local address (i.e. unroutable, local only, useless for the internet)
[23:52] <hadifarnoud> hmm
[23:52] <thrawed> ghenry: no
[23:52] <Dagger2> gogoc should create its own interface with an address from something like 2001:c08::
[23:53] <hadifarnoud> all I have to do is sudo gogoc, right?
[23:53] <ghenry> thrawed: not even with something in between?
[23:53] <Hodapp> ghenry: unless your son's toys use an extremely small amount of current, no
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> fe80:... is the local link address.
[23:53] <Hodapp> which, if they did, would probably not require 2 x AA batteries but would run from a CR2032 or something
[23:54] <Dagger2> hadifarnoud: that was all I had to do the first time, yeah (now I'm having trouble getting it to do anything... still working on that)
[23:54] <ghenry> Hodapp: will need to check the current levels needed and what I can get then. Cheers.
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[23:55] <ghenry> Hodapp thrawed my son uses things like these to switch his toys on and off http://www.inclusive.co.uk/hardware/switches-and-switch-mountings
[23:56] <ghenry> Hodapp thrawed I wanted to design an RFID reader that switches on his toys when his wheelchair comes by with an RFID tag
[23:56] <thrawed> ghenry: ask gordie
[23:56] <ghenry> Hodapp thrawed and other ideas like water features in his garden coming on, lights etc. etc.
[23:57] <ghenry> but so they only come on for him thrawed Hodapp
[23:57] <ghenry> Also looking at Xbee for fun for this thrawed Hodapp
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[23:59] <ghenry> Hey gordonDrogon A fellow VoIPer!

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