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IRC Log for 2012-08-23

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[0:18] <adamyonk> Is there a way to allocate more space for /tmp?
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[0:19] <adamyonk> I've heard of linking to /usr/tmp, but I'm not sure how.
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[0:24] <zleap> i think you can set up a symbolic link to another location
[0:25] <zleap> somethijng like (BUT CHECK) ls -s
[0:25] <zleap> i think
[0:26] <adamyonk> I think it would be `ln -s /usr/tmp /tmp`. Just wondered if anyone had ever done it successfully.
[0:26] <zleap> thhat sounds about right,
[0:27] <zleap> that is assuning /tmp is on another bigger partition
[0:27] <blarson__> adamyonk: if it is mounted tmpfs, just comment out the line in fstab and reboot, it will use space off of / then.
[0:28] <blarson__> note that /tmp is used before /usr is mounted, so don't link it to /usr/tmp
[0:28] <blarson__> (if /usr is its own filesystem)
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[0:29] <adamyonk> Sorry, where is fstab?
[0:29] * blarson__ needs to spend more time playing with my pi
[0:29] <blarson__> adamyonk: /etc/fstab
[0:30] <blarson__> adamyonk: man fstab
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[0:30] <plugwash> I don't think the ram tmp in wheezy is mounted through fstab, IIRC there is a setting for it somewhere but I don't remember where exactly
[0:31] <Diaoul> is there a chance for uhci_hcd to be included in the kernel someday ?
[0:32] <plugwash> Diaoul, why the hell would it be?! it's a driver for a device that the Pi doesn't have and will never have
[0:33] <adamyonk> I dont' see anything about tmpfs in fstab.. just /proc, /boot, and /
[0:38] <PhotoJim> uhci_hcd is for one of the two types of USB 1.1 ports. Would it even work with USB 2.0 hardware?
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[0:40] <plugwash> PhotoJim, IIRC ehci controllers in PCs also offer uhci or ohci interfaces for compatibility
[0:40] <plugwash> but none of this is relavent to the Pi
[0:41] <PhotoJim> plugwash: I ran into that detrimentally once, when a 2.0 port got taken over at 1.1 speeds. but a person would never choose it. :)
[0:42] <plugwash> IIRC what is supposed to happen on PCs is that high speed devices are handled over EHCI and full/low speed devices plugged directly into the port (or via a full/low speed only hub) are handled over OHCI/UHCI
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[0:44] <PhotoJim> ahh. but I assume our Pi driver handles USB 1.1 devices without such trickery?
[0:44] <PhotoJim> keyboards and mice must only be 1.1. No advantage to 2.0 for them.
[0:44] <plugwash> well what will happen on a Pi is that low/full speed devices will go through the transaction translater in the hub
[0:45] <plugwash> so afaict they will look the same as high speed devices from the Pis POV
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[0:46] <plugwash> but yeah I presume if you did connect a full/low speed device to the SoC directly it would be handled through the same driver that does high speed for it
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[0:47] <PhotoJim> that's what I'd expect
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[0:50] <trumee> does anybody know a decent usb soundcard?
[0:51] <trumee> i need to feed audio into the pi (shame it doesnt have a mic in)
[0:51] <trumee> and i need a stereo line-in
[0:52] * trumee my very c-media chipset cheap soundcard gives problem on pi
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[1:12] <SSilver2k2> lo all
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[2:04] <GriffenJBS> trumee: what kind of problems?
[2:04] <devnull42> should get my Pi case in tomorrow. it's making me nervous letting it just sit on my notebook.
[2:05] <GriffenJBS> devnull42: wrap it in paper to prevent shorts, cheap and effective.
[2:06] <devnull42> GriffenJBS: good idea. that will get me by
[2:07] <devnull42> if this thing slides off the notebook onto the wire rack it's sitting on i could be waiting for another one to be delivered.
[2:07] <devnull42> not to mention i am on day 3 of trying to get synchronet to compile. bad time to lose it.
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[2:12] <GriffenJBS> if your trying to compile, using qemu on a desktop may be a better idea
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[2:28] <devnull42> it's not really the time it takes. just working through the errors.
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[2:37] <GriffenJBS> any way to pull a tarball of files out of launchpad?
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[3:49] <Abol> My phone charger outputs 5V ==1A, is this fine for the R-Pi Model B?
[3:49] <r60> yeah
[3:49] <r60> min is 5v 700mah
[3:49] <Abol> well Model B says it needs 5V and 700mA but is it fine if the charger is 1A?
[3:50] <r60> 1000mah will be nice overhead for usb devices
[3:50] <r60> yeah
[3:50] <r60> 1000 miliamps = 1amp
[3:50] <Abol> Also I have never used xbmc before.. can you install a browser and go on sites like netflix?
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[3:57] <Essobi> Anyone seen a driver for the alternative serial in linux?
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[4:25] <GriffenJBS> Essobi: alt serial?
[4:26] <GriffenJBS> UART0 or UART1?
[4:27] <AC`97> silly wabbit, trix r 4 kids!
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[4:58] <AC`97> if anyone wants relays for their Pi, these work good: http://www.ebay.com/itm/5V-1-2-4-8-Channel-Electronic-Relay-Module-For-Arduino-ARM-PIC-AVR-DSP-TTL-/300749445346
[4:59] <AC`97> you connect 5v to vcc, and pull down the control pins to ground
[4:59] <AC`97> the voltage at the control pins don't even get close to 3v
[5:00] <AC`97> the 2-relay module i had took only ~1.75-1.78mA from the control pins
[5:09] <]DMackey[> My clear case arrived today BUT still no Pi... :(
[5:13] <Essobi> GriffenJBS: The PL011 UART
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[5:18] <Essobi> GriffenJBS: ALT5
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[5:20] <Essobi> AC`97: How long was the shipping time thou?
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[5:53] <megatog615> is it just me or is adafruit stealing a lot of ideas lately?
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[5:54] <megatog615> first the microsd adapter
[5:55] <megatog615> now it's heatsinks that look exactly like the ones linked last night
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[6:05] <r60> probably yeah
[6:06] <r60> dude on reddit made a power supply board
[6:06] <r60> hopefully someone mass produces it
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[7:02] <Essobi> r60: Url?
[7:05] <r60> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/ym0xi/my_solution_to_raspberry_pi_power_problems/
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[7:08] <rawrchick> question, anyone know if the green 'ok' led is supposed to be as bright as the red power led is?
[7:09] <TeeCee> Isn't all the leds equally bright on the Pi?
[7:10] <rawrchick> doesn't seem like it on mine. :-/
[7:10] <rawrchick> I can see my green led just barely lit the size of a pin head. but there's definitely plenty of power and amperage going to the pi.
[7:12] <rawrchick> tried raspbmc, put image on card, booted, hdmi lit up and i saw the installer going, then in the middle just started throwing all kinds of -110 errors on the sd card, would never boot after that, no matter what cards and images i used, that was with a 700ma 5v, I moved up to a 1000ma/1A and a 2A as well, but still never does anything. red light powers on, green led is barely lit very tiny and doesn't do anything. hdmi never lig
[7:12] <rawrchick> up again
[7:13] * Xark 's green LED only lights when SD is accessed (other than the very first firmware, than turned it off when SD accessed it).
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[7:14] <Essobi> rawrchick: did you test TP1/2 with a meter?
[7:15] <rawrchick> Essobi: ? not sure what / where tp1/2 is, but do have a meter
[7:16] <rawrchick> i assume i have first firmware, i don't know. bought mine in the very first batch but didn't get a chance to power it up til today
[7:16] <Essobi> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[7:17] <rawrchick> i tried all of those things
[7:18] <Essobi> TP1/2 is on there...
[7:18] <rawrchick> no, it's not. its linked separately. regardless, already went through those steps, there should be no issue with the power it's being given. ill test the 2 points in a second.
[7:19] <Essobi> .......
[7:19] <Essobi> Uh, no.. TP1/TP2 testing procedure is on that page. Good luck.
[7:20] <Xark> rawrchick: The "firmware" on the RPi is loaded from SD.
[7:21] <rawrchick> just checked, 5.1v
[7:21] <Xark> rawrchick: I would try another SD card with a fresh image.
[7:21] <rawrchick> Xark: tried 3 separate cards with fresh images. :-/
[7:21] <Essobi> rawrchick: you should be fine, take note thou with different cpu loads and activities that number can change, but likely you're fine.
[7:21] <rawrchick> all different brands/sizes
[7:21] <Essobi> rawrchick: what brands?
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[7:22] <Xark> rawrchick: I see. Now none even init HDMI (with rainbow screen)?
[7:22] <rawrchick> win image, sandisk, sony
[7:22] <Essobi> None of my no-name brand cards worked. Only the SanDisks I had worked.
[7:23] <Essobi> hmm.. what size/type is the sandisk?
[7:23] <rawrchick> Xark: nope. did the very first time, but after it freaked out during the raspbmc install it never came back after, fresh completely wiped cards with raspbmc installer image again as well as raspbian
[7:23] <rawrchick> Essobi: 32gb extreme
[7:24] <Xark> rawrchick: Bummer. Perhaps it was some infant mortality hardware failure.
[7:24] <Essobi> Mine's a 2Gb standard SD. Hmm.
[7:24] <Essobi> Xark: perhaps.
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[7:24] <Essobi> I havn't heard what the ppm's are yet...
[7:24] <joga> does the sd slot seem to be in working order?
[7:24] <rawrchick> that's what I was wondering myself but wanted to pop in here to see if anyone else had seen anything similar
[7:25] <rawrchick> joga: yep, checked that too.
[7:25] <rawrchick> wondering if something went wacky after that 5 minutes of warm up
[7:25] <Essobi> This is why I want a serial bootloader and a JTAG. :D
[7:26] <Essobi> rawrchick: did you update the image you were running when it ran?
[7:26] <joga> could it be that at some point the rpi was on something that could short out something in it? (I once fried an arduino after I plugged power into it and it was on top of side clippers) ;p
[7:27] <Essobi> whoops
[7:27] <rawrchick> Essobi: no? :-S I started with fresh card, cleaned partitions, ran raspbmc sd download/installer script, removed from reader, put in pi, powered, rainbow, install, error, "install complete" powered down, never came back up after. wiped card clean and partitions, fresh images again, no dice
[7:28] <Essobi> Anyone seen if there's linux driver for the PLL01 uart?
[7:28] <rawrchick> joga: no, was in plastic casing.
[7:28] <Essobi> Hmm.
[7:28] <Essobi> Hand verify the card had what you expect then...
[7:28] <Xark> Essobi: PL1301?
[7:28] <Essobi> Other then that I'd say your pi died..
[7:29] <rawrchick> I know it's not that its booting into the installer and hdmi isn't happening because I don't see it throwing up dhcp requests on the network so I can only assume it's not booting/reading cards period
[7:30] <Xark> rawrchick: If you don't see rainbow, AFAIK that means the GPU didn't boot firmware (so dead Pi or can't read SD).
[7:31] <Essobi> Xark: There's a PL011 UART closer to a 16C650 then the mini-uart
[7:31] <Xark> Essobi: Ahh, gotcha. I thought you were referring to a USB to TTL serial chip.
[7:31] <Essobi> Guess I'll go check the code.
[7:31] <Essobi> nosir
[7:32] <Essobi> there's a uart1 in addition to the uart0.. but it's on the same rx/tx pins for ALT5 I believe.
[7:32] <Xark> Essobi: Yes, I read a bit about it.
[7:32] <Essobi> Seen any modules for it?
[7:32] <Essobi> O_O
[7:33] <Xark> Essobi: No. Just some talk about using it "raw" I believe.
[7:33] <Essobi> Hmm.
[7:33] <Essobi> Remember where?
[7:33] <Xark> Essobi: I think on the bare metal "official" forums IIRC.
[7:34] <Essobi> I got a 12v 100aH battery here I want to put a solar on and a regulator and my pi. :D
[7:34] <Xark> Yes -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12441
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[7:35] <Essobi> Xark: woot
[7:35] <Xark> Essobi: This looks potentially handy (from that thread) -> https://github.com/dwelch67/raspberrypi/
[7:36] <Xark> (example code for both UARTs)
[7:36] <Essobi> Niiiiiice. Baremetal. Exactly what I was looking for.
[7:36] <Essobi> I want to enable it in the latest U-boot. :D
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[7:38] <Essobi> Xark: Oh! JTAG. :D
[7:39] <Xark> Essobi: Hmm, that is very interesting sounding from the README. :)
[7:39] <Essobi> Xark: HELL YES
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[9:24] <DarkTherapy> morning gents
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[9:25] <DarkTherapy> hey thrawed
[9:25] <thrawed> hi
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[10:05] <gordonDrogon> morning all!
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[10:06] <thrawed> morning
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[10:26] <DarkTherapy> so, I've got an emergency light kit, 240v charging 2x 12v lead acids, can I just connect a switch mode regulator to the batteries for my pi? and that's it?
[10:29] <DarkTherapy> for a DIY ups
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[10:44] <gordonDrogon> DarkTherapy, very probably - but expect the input waveform to be somewhat rough, so adding an extra smoothing and decoupling capacitors might be a good idea..
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> that's if running the Pi at the same time a charging...
[10:45] <DarkTherapy> so the pi won't draw more power than the charger is outputting to the batteries?
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[10:46] <DarkTherapy> it says it takes 48 hours to charge, that's a low charge rate
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[10:51] <DarkTherapy> I noticed a relay in this box, to switch on 2 lights when the power goes, could I replace it with a high speed sold state relay and have it switch the pi from mains to battery?
[11:01] <netman87> hi can anybody help me with failed bios update with ibm intellistation z pro 9228 (also known as z30)? sorry for offtopic but im running out of ideas.
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[11:03] <chithead> if bios flash eprom is in socket, remove and flash known good bios to it, then insert again
[11:08] <netman87> i havent noticed any socketed chip in it :(
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[11:08] <netman87> i would love to just skip motherboards boot recovery and just use bus pirate but :/
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[11:09] <chithead> if the bios has a bad flash recovery mode, that would be easiest. otherwise you'll need to desolder the flash eprom
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[11:13] <netman87> yeah, but i just dont seem to understand how to get recovery to flash bios from cd or floppy
[11:13] <netman87> http://www-947.ibm.com/support/entry/portal/docdisplay?lndocid=MIGR-56079
[11:13] <netman87> it should be similar to that
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[11:15] <netman87> it seems like it just reboots/resets with 5 sec interval
[11:16] <netman87> cd drive blinks but nothing happens
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[11:22] <chithead> google reveals that there is a bios recovery jumper (J80) and you need to insert a so-called "update cd" after you set it to 2-3
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[11:24] <netman87> yes i know jumper
[11:24] <chithead> the creation of the update cd is described in the problem determination and service guide
[11:24] <netman87> i just dont understand what i do wrong with it
[11:24] <netman87> i have bios recovery cd and floppy
[11:24] <netman87> but it just doesnt seem to read any of them
[11:25] <netman87> update cd is for normal update
[11:25] <netman87> recover is for repairing broken bios
[11:25] <netman87> corrupted/failed flashing and so on
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[11:25] <chithead> it says update cd, not recovery cd. if it doesn't work, then you have to contact ibm support
[11:26] <chithead> the recovery cd is for different purposes
[11:26] <netman87> there is no ibm support... they just said that i need to order fix service...
[11:26] <netman87> no recovery cd is for bios recovery
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[11:27] <netman87> update cd is when you want to boot from cd. it starts freedos and have nice ascii ui.
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[11:28] <chithead> then you must be reading a different manual than I do. I can't help you further, good luck
[11:29] <loadbang> is this slow for anyone, try loading images? http://showes.homeunix.com/skyscrapercity/images/index.php?sfpg=KiphNDVmMGNjMTYxNmRiY2M3ZmFlNzE4ZTJmY2Q3NDNlOA
[11:29] <netman87> i think repair mode is just not starting well and as it seems to reset after every 5sek drive cant detect cd at all
[11:30] <netman87> chithead: i have readed all manuals i have found...
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[11:31] <netman87> best is found in recovery cd itself "IBM Z30 System BIOS Recovery Diskette"
[11:31] <chithead> I read the "IBM IntelliStation Z Pro Type 9228 and 9232 Problem Determination and Service Guide" and it says that recovery cd is to recover the operating system, while the update cd is for updating bios or recovering from bad flash (p.139)
[11:32] <netman87> http://ps-2.kev009.com/pccbbs/pc_servers/ibm_fw_bios_c3e130fcr_anyos_i386.txt
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[11:32] <netman87> false data there
[11:33] <netman87> z30 = 9228, downloaded directly from ibm. version i have if from 2009
[11:33] <netman87> update cd cant be used for recovery
[11:35] <netman87> ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/systems/support/intellistation/ibm_fw_bios_c3e145a_anyos_i386.txt
[11:35] <netman87> newest
[11:35] <netman87> oh no wrong
[11:35] <netman87> thats from update
[11:36] <netman87> but yeah problem is that it just doesnt seems to try from cd or floppy or it reboots too fast
[11:42] <netman87> well thank you for trying
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[12:25] <zleap> why do i need to register with freenode to join here, is this to reduce spam messages ?
[12:26] <DarkTherapy> does Rambo carry a knife?
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[12:27] <drogon> hello from my alter ego.... :)
[12:28] <drogon> think I need to run one of those irc terminal multiplexor thingys who's name I've temporarily forgotten...
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[12:29] <issyl0> drogon: Screen?
[12:31] <[SLB]> bouncers?
[12:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> zleap to cut down on geenral spammers eytc
[12:33] <zleap> ok
[12:33] <zleap> thats fair enough
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[12:33] <chithead> zleap: if it were to combat spam, mute would have been sufficient
[12:34] <[SLB]> but then PiBot shouldn't voice everyone automatically eheh
[12:34] <zleap> good point
[12:34] <zleap> we need to make it accessible to new users
[12:35] <zleap> while at the same time keep problem users out
[12:35] <drogon> ah, a bouncer?
[12:35] <[SLB]> yup drogon, with a bouncer you can use any client you like to connect to it
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[12:35] <[SLB]> i use znc here
[12:35] <drogon> what's the best bouncer for a headless Debian box?
[12:36] <zleap> hi drogon
[12:36] <drogon> What Ho Mr. zleap
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[12:36] <[SLB]> years ago i was using psybnc, but that's dead long time, now i found znc the best so far
[12:36] <drogon> ok, will have a look, thanjs.
[12:36] <[SLB]> it also has a web interface for config
[12:36] <drogon> *thanks.
[12:36] <[SLB]> yw :)
[12:36] <[SLB]> install also znc-extra
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[12:37] <drogon> got my backup specs on today. forgot my current ones )-:
[12:37] <[SLB]> that may come in handy eheh
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[12:39] <drogon> I can just about read with them on :)
[12:39] <[SLB]> oh eheh
[12:39] <drogon> feel sad that I'm almost lost without them these days )-:
[12:39] <zleap> oh specs as in glasses
[12:40] <zleap> i was thinking specs of a computer, duh
[12:40] <drogon> if I use big text I can just about get away with it though.
[12:40] <drogon> zleap, yes, glasses :)
[12:40] <drogon> good job I decided to put the old ones in my laptop case in-case I forgot the current ones!
[12:41] <zleap> drogon, where are you then ?
[12:41] <drogon> newton abbot - at a clients site.
[12:42] <zleap> ah
[12:42] * zleap dropped an old laptop down to the play pod earlier., with a few ubuntu stickers on it
[12:42] <drogon> saw a huge smash in the A38 coming here too - hope no-ones going towards Plymouth...
[12:42] <zleap> ohh
[12:43] <zleap> i bet that will be on the news later
[12:43] <drogon> probably. police, 2 fire engines and a handfull of ambulances of their way that I passed on the way into newton abbot...
[12:44] <DarkTherapy> your in newton?
[12:44] <drogon> currently.
[12:44] <DarkTherapy> I lived in torquay for 20 years
[12:44] <DarkTherapy> good friends there
[12:44] <zleap> The A377 is blocked due to accident at Kingford Hill. Police are en-route.
[12:44] <drogon> but you escaped :)
[12:44] <DarkTherapy> yeh
[12:45] * zleap is in paignton
[12:45] <drogon> I don'yt line in NA, just here for the day.
[12:45] <drogon> *live.
[12:45] <DarkTherapy> you live in plymouth?
[12:46] <DarkTherapy> pronounced with 2 f's
[12:46] <drogon> no, buckfastleigh
[12:47] <drogon> zleap, that's north devon.
[12:47] <DarkTherapy> I used to fly my rc heli in buckfast
[12:47] <drogon> yea, at the old racecourse? I see folks there from time to time.
[12:48] <DarkTherapy> yeh
[12:48] <DarkTherapy> and kingsteignton
[12:48] <drogon> there's a DC lug member into that too who goes there.
[12:48] <DarkTherapy> if that's how it's spelled
[12:48] <DarkTherapy> spelt
[12:48] <drogon> sounds about right :)
[12:49] <drogon> back inna bit. gotta check some other stuff here...
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[12:49] <zleap> yeah wildcard lives up near bovey hes in to rc stuff
[12:50] <DarkTherapy> nice
[12:50] <DarkTherapy> small world..
[12:50] <DarkTherapy> I was a member of the newton abbot heli club
[12:53] <zleap> cool
[12:53] <zleap> he does chat on #dclug sometimes but spends a lot of time in another channel / server
[12:54] <DarkTherapy> k
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[13:07] <Gadgetoid> Not relevant??? but LOOK AT THE KITTY! http://www.geekologie.com/2012/08/pretty-kitty-chimera-cat-is-its-own-frat.php
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[13:43] <loadbang> anyone got a RPi friendly config for Apache? https://img.skitch.com/20120823-qp26dk35xg5d2rr4sgwm9ibku7.png
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[13:44] <nid0> er, how many children is that you've got it set to start?
[13:44] <loadbang> it's set to default
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[13:45] <nid0> unless the site you're hosting on it is getting hammered i'd suggest not, default maxspareservers is 10
[13:45] <nid0> whats the output of an apache fullstatus?
[13:46] <loadbang> it's so loaded ssh is timing out
[13:48] <[SLB]> must use apache?
[13:49] <chaoshax> nginx is lighter.
[13:49] <[SLB]> i have like 6 processes only with lighttp
[13:50] <[SLB]> with fastcgi enabled
[13:50] <nid0> you can use nginx or lighthttpd, both of which are more lightweight than apache, but the problem you're seeing isnt just that you're using apache
[13:50] <nid0> apache itself does run just fine on a pi, your load issue is a problem with your setup/use of it
[13:51] <drogon> yea, starting too many servers.
[13:51] <drogon> or (additionally), running big cgi type scripts.
[13:51] <loadbang> It's running sfpg with about 100 images being made in to thumbs
[13:51] <[SLB]> awstats fault maybe?
[13:51] <drogon> I found apache/mysql/php to run OK on a Pi - until I loaded up wordpress )-:
[13:52] <[SLB]> oh :\
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[13:52] <drogon> ah, images to thumbs - that's going to chew cpu.
[13:52] <[SLB]> but it does it only once no?
[13:53] <loadbang> yes only once, but it doesn't need to load as many processes.
[13:53] <drogon> you'd hope so, but I've seen brainded scripts that run it more than once )-:
[13:53] <nid0> wordpress runs fine under AMP on a pi if you stick apc on as well
[13:53] <drogon> I never bothered with any of the caches, etc. I just wante dto see what it was like 'natively'.
[13:54] <drogon> it worked ok - and for a little home type server thingy it's fine...
[13:55] <loadbang> drogon: wordpress runs slow even on a fast server
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[14:03] <drogon> loadbang, it's not too bad - I'm probably hosting a few dozen wordpresses on each of my servers. A few tweaks and a lot of RAM help though!
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[14:04] <nid0> wp supercache (dear god WHY havent wordpress built that functionality in yet) and an opcode cache sort out pretty much any wordpress performance issues, and vastly reduce the amount of memory needed
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[14:05] <drogon> I'm running w3 total cache on my projects site. It did make an improvement. Gonig to load up eAccellerator soon probably.
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[14:10] <loadbang> when starting services, such as apache, is there a way to change the nice value? so if the system does get loaded ssh doesn't go down.
[14:10] <nid0> for busy sites we typically see about a 90% memory usage reduction when using an opcode cache (our preference is apc but theyre all much the same)
[14:11] <loadbang> I've tinkered with StartServers, MinSpareThreads etc, load isn't going over 4 and not running out of menory.
[14:11] <loadbang> memory*
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[14:12] <drogon> loadbang, might be easier to increase the priority of ssh... edit the /etc/inti.d/openssh-server file .. bit of a hack though!
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[14:14] <[SLB]> or renice it maybe?
[14:14] <drogon> once it's running...
[14:15] <[SLB]> i guess you can too, supposedly
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[14:36] <chngr> Hi I am tryin to login via serial console
[14:36] <chngr> I am using usb to serial -> Max3232 ic to get a serial connection
[14:37] <chngr> When I try to connect serial console everything goes well initially
[14:37] <chngr> but when I get the login prompt
[14:38] <chngr> I cannot type anything
[14:38] <chngr> Anyone have any idea?
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[14:42] <chngr> Has anyone any knowledge about serial console issues? Please help
[14:44] <Holden> chngr, some time ago I tried the serial console with a max232 and a voltage divider to make the levels go in the [0, 3V] range, and it worked okay
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[14:46] <chngr> Holden: I checked circuit connections, it seems right to me.
[14:47] <chngr> Holden: I will try again with a max232 and see if it works for me
[14:47] <Holden> chngr, if you cannot type anything it's probably the connection from the pc to the rpi... so the rx line on the rpi
[14:48] <Holden> chngr, ok, but make sure you include the voltage divider if you use a max232. I'd try to see why it doesn't work with the max3232 anyway
[14:49] <chngr> Holden: Yeah That's the first problem that comes to mind. Is there a method to check rx line?
[14:49] <Holden> chngr, do you have an oscilloscope?
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[14:50] <chngr> Holden: No, I have only a Multimeter
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[14:51] <chngr> Holden: I think it is not possible to check rx line with a multimeter, right?
[14:52] <Holden> chngr, hmm... you can do some basic tests... for example if you keep a key pressed on your pc while you are in minicom, on the tx line (rx for the rpi) you should have a signal that goes up and down. if you connect that to buffer that drives a led you should be able to see the led light up
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[14:53] <Holden> that would tell you if a signal is actually present at the tx line. also check the connection parameters
[14:53] <Holden> i *think* it is 115200 8N1
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[14:55] <Tu13es> hmm
[14:55] <Tu13es> so for stuff like updating/upgrading/installing packages etc, how much of that speed is due to the SD card?
[14:55] <Tu13es> vs just cpu/mem?
[14:56] <Tu13es> (debating if it's worth getting a faster card/usb drive)
[14:57] <nid0> beyond about a decent class 6 (assuming you're using a recent firmware) you're not going to get a vast benefit for general system use by upping storage speed
[14:57] <chngr> Holden: Ok, I'll give it try. Thank you so much for your help.
[14:57] <Holden> chngr, no worries, good luck
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[14:59] <Tu13es> thanks nid0
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[15:01] <Holden> chngr, also, maybe you will find this useful http://codeandlife.com/2012/07/01/raspberry-pi-serial-console-with-max3232cpe/
[15:04] <chngr> Holden: Actually, I followed that blog post already. Thanks for pointing it out.
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[15:48] <nummy> is there a way I can view my current mem split
[15:49] <[SLB]> cat /proc/meminfo | grep MemTotal
[15:49] <[SLB]> or check top/htop
[15:50] <nummy> thanks [SLB]
[15:50] <[SLB]> yw
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[15:59] <nummy> anybody ever have crashing & reboot issues with quake 3 under heavy load?
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[16:01] <Tobias|> nummy: while I haven't, my first thought is that your power supply might be inadequate
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[16:02] <nummy> I thought that Tobias| but I have a 1A supply, and I measured the voltage while Q3A was running on full graphics load, it never got below 4.9V
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[16:05] <nummy> I tried turning turbo_mode off on smsc95xx in cmdline.txt but that didn't help
[16:06] <blarson__> nummy: are you overclocking?
[16:06] <nummy> no
[16:07] <nummy> so if I run Q3 at 1280x1024 highest graphics settings, itll crash and reboot after a couple of minutes of running a game
[16:07] <nummy> but if I turn down the resolution to say 800x600 it runs fine
[16:12] <GriffenJBS> nummy: which quake are you using?
[16:12] <nummy> I compiled it on the pi
[16:12] <nummy> github/raspberrypi/quake3.git
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[16:19] <pwillard> FYI I have a 2A supply that works great... http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=hp+touchpad+charger
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[16:22] <nummy> its not a supply issue. I'm going to get my friends pi later today and swap it to see if the same thing happens with his
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[16:35] <pwillard> ah. well, I have my own issues with a USB wifi dongle that works great... 10-15 minutes at a time...
[16:36] <nummy> which one is it
[16:36] <adamyonk> I'm on the market for a wifi dongle.. Anyone have any recs?
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[16:36] <nid0> any cheap nano adaptor will work fine
[16:36] <nid0> they all use the same chipset
[16:36] <adamyonk> Cool.
[16:36] <nummy> D-Link DWA-131 is running really nice for me. gets kinda warm though
[16:37] <InControl> I'll swap you for a wifi dongle how old are you ?
[16:37] <InControl> oops sorry I thought you were selling yourself 'I'm on the market'
[16:37] <nummy> lol
[16:38] <adamyonk> That' d have to be a sick wifi dongle.
[16:38] <nummy> any suggestions on cool software to spend hours compiling on a raspberry?
[16:38] <nummy> other than quake
[16:38] <markllama> xbmc?
[16:38] <nid0> start with a kernel?
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[16:41] <pwillard> nummy: well, I had NO luck with the netgear G54/N150... the one that sort of works is ASUS USB-N13 provided you play games with the RTL8192cu driver... (which is natively installed on Adafruit occidental distro) whcih I desided to use...
[16:42] <pwillard> But... it works... and then doesn't... which is rather bothersome
[16:43] <nummy> was it listed as "working" in the verified peripherals list?
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[16:44] <pwillard> I'd have paid $10 more for pi that had built in wifi chip... but that's just me. (Yes, it is listed as working... ) http://www.element14.com/community/docs/DOC-44703/l/raspberry-pi-wifi-adapter-testing
[16:45] <GriffenJBS> pwillard: there are several driver out there, mine works with no problems
[16:45] <pwillard> but working to me means full time... in my case... it might work 10-15 minutes... then just stops...
[16:46] <pwillard> which to me... is the most annoying kind of problem... siince that means I did the right stuff on my side.
[16:46] <GriffenJBS> anything in the logs?
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[16:46] <pwillard> nothing useful
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[16:47] <GriffenJBS> a ticket system of problems for the pi would be nice
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[16:47] <hotwings> yes it would
[16:47] <pwillard> Need to gicve it another try today... judging by the 29 pages of discussion on the forum, I'm sort of not alone.
[16:47] <GriffenJBS> lots of common noob problems can be documented, and obscure problems can have info pooled
[16:48] <GriffenJBS> some people there have the same issue, some are irrelevent
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[16:56] <pwillard> yeah... I'm also not a big fan of how current RPi information is presented. My current opinion: There are some basics... and some hype... and then you get tossed on the deep end of the pool for fend for yourself. Hopefully a work in progress... being pointed to a 29 page forum thread as the best solution... is rather tedious.
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[17:00] <adamyonk> Agreed. Forums are a horrible thing to rely on for that type of info.
[17:01] <Hodapp> yeah, I'm really not a fan of that either
[17:01] <Hodapp> I've encountered it in some Android stuff too
[17:01] <Hodapp> and sometimes my thoughts are "Are you really half-assing this work so hard that you can't take a few minutes to update a central page?"
[17:02] <Tykling> also, mailing lists > forums :>
[17:02] <pwillard> You nailed it! Yeah...
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[17:06] <pwillard> And I agree about android... I have encountered that on dev sites like xda-developers.com... maybe that is why it seems so familiar
[17:06] <hermanhermitage> i wonder what the best structure is
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[17:07] <hermanhermitage> i think there needs to be a reward system for ansewring questions and migrating solid answers to a wiki
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[17:07] <hermanhermitage> maybe points ala stackoverflow
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[17:09] <pwillard> I like that
[17:09] <hermanhermitage> maybe earning raspberry points based on page hits on the wiki as well
[17:09] <hermanhermitage> people over 18 could win a pi to donate to a young child/school
[17:10] <hermanhermitage> under 18 could maybe win a real prize
[17:10] <pwillard> Incentive is always a good thing... even if only imaginary
[17:10] <thrawed> why are you being so ageist?
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[17:10] <hermanhermitage> well any means test based on value of $
[17:11] <hermanhermitage> not wanting to wave my wealth around, but sy a $25 free computer wouldnt mean the same to me as maybe it would a 10 year old
[17:11] <pwillard> Well, even forum post count/ranking is an incentive to some.\
[17:11] <hermanhermitage> i like griffenjbs's comment about tickets
[17:11] <hermanhermitage> i also think some coordination for development would help as well
[17:12] <hermanhermitage> but i can see eben is quite libertarian, even to the point of not wanting to force children in schools to have one
[17:12] <hermanhermitage> which i agree with
[17:12] <bircoe> That would imply that the foundation have a single targeted operating system... which they dont
[17:14] <hermanhermitage> well its apparent to me there are certain issues that must be tackled head on
[17:15] <bircoe> Like?
[17:15] <hermanhermitage> from X11 perf, through to denial about relaiblity and stability on the infinity of peripherals
[17:15] <hermanhermitage> none of which are an issue to a linux hacker
[17:15] <hermanhermitage> but to a child?
[17:15] <bircoe> but X11 is not developed by the foundation, there's little they can do but supply working drivers...
[17:15] <hermanhermitage> or someone who isnt particularly interested in the depths of linux?
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[17:16] <hermanhermitage> bircoe: i dont follow?
[17:16] <bircoe> which peripherals are you referring to?
[17:16] <hermanhermitage> opengl isnt developed by the foundation, nor openvg, nor gcc, nor ...
[17:17] <bircoe> yeah...
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[17:17] <hermanhermitage> well make a certification program for peripherals i was thinking
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[17:17] <hermanhermitage> to avoid disappointment for beginners
[17:18] <bircoe> if X11 is performing badly on the device then it is up to the X11 devs to improve the code should they choose to support the device.
[17:18] <nummy> that would make things too easy
[17:18] <adamyonk> Even beginners should be exposed to the real world though.
[17:18] <bircoe> It's a good idea but would never work in the real world
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[17:18] <hermanhermitage> it does
[17:18] <pwillard> FYI: my flaky wifi is attached to a powered hub, not by the Pi. Reliable wifi (and how to achieve it) It is not yet plug an play. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixLALqWLZDs
[17:18] <hermanhermitage> and X11 perf is nothing to do with X11 devs
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[17:19] <hermanhermitage> its up to hardware vendor, platform provider
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[17:19] <bircoe> to do what?
[17:19] <hermanhermitage> to encourage or produce optimized EXA
[17:19] <hermanhermitage> otherwise its like saying Denis Ritchie is responsible for every crappy C compiler out there
[17:20] <adamyonk> You don't get that unless you control every angle though. It's not Apple.
[17:20] <bircoe> the foundation have already stated that Broadcom do not wish to release driver source... their hands are tied.
[17:20] <pwillard> Well, to be honest, the rpi does X better than an Atom based intel d945gclf running ubuntu 9.
[17:21] <nummy> we can't complain for $25
[17:21] <bircoe> exactly, Apple software performs well because it's being written for known hardware...
[17:21] <adamyonk> bircoe, exactly.
[17:21] <pwillard> In that case though... refinements can(and are) being made for pi's specific hardware...
[17:21] <hermanhermitage> i think the community/foundation can just tighten things up a little
[17:21] <bircoe> nummy I completely agree, the foundation (a non profit org) can't be held responsible for everything that doesn't work to peoples taste.
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[17:22] <hermanhermitage> carrots and sticks work quite well
[17:22] <pwillard> true. But I also think there is a lot of hope that an OPEN community will fix what it wants
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[17:22] <bircoe> in the end these things are a dev platform, not a consumer grade device that's expected to perform flawlessly and be warrented.
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[17:23] <adamyonk> If you're going to be of any worth as a developer, it'd be good to learn the warts of a system and become a tried troubleshooter.
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[17:23] <pwillard> Personally, based on specs, I'm surprised so many want to see XBMC type devices from the rpi in its current state.
[17:23] <adamyonk> I don't think it's completely foreign for open platforms like this to behave like it is.
[17:23] <hermanhermitage> i'm just mulling over how to tweak the process of coordinating the community
[17:24] <markllama> VOLUNTEER! :-)
[17:24] <pwillard> No, I expect it as well...
[17:24] <Tachyon`> coordinating the community
[17:24] <Tachyon`> for an encore perhaps you'd like to try a bit of cat herding
[17:24] <pwillard> It's not intensely different than Arduino, for example
[17:24] <bircoe> pwillard, I don't expect it, it's just an awesome bonus... just as it was when ATV2 support dropped!
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[17:26] <bircoe> and on that note, I think I'll build tonight's OpenELEC
[17:26] <pwillard> Open solutions come with benefits and caveats. I mean, I doubt many of us expected the robustness of say... umm a roku or wireless router type of product. We expected something we could "work on"... and got it.
[17:28] <bircoe> exactly, development platform.
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[17:30] <pwillard> on that note: Microsoft seems to want to adopt Apple's hardware model in the future... which might mean the death of "generic" devices we can re-purpose for the odd non-mainstream projects. But that is just me being doom and gloom at the moment.
[17:30] <hermanhermitage> heh
[17:30] <chickey999> any plex people in today ?
[17:31] <hotwings> pwillard - microsoft doesnt drive the component market so i wouldnt worry about it
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[17:33] <chickey999> if there are and you happen to know GL ES there is a channel setup #plex-rbp to try and get the client ported
[17:33] <bircoe> With the uptake of Mac's and non PC devices, and Linux on the uprise... I don't think MS would have much luck with such a foray.
[17:33] <hermanhermitage> see how their tablet strategy goes i guess
[17:34] <hermanhermitage> since palladium they were always going to re-visit the secure computing tack in a number of waves
[17:34] <bircoe> I don't think Windows RT is going to have the impact they hope.
[17:34] <hermanhermitage> they still have a huge channel
[17:35] <hermanhermitage> look at how they were willing to buy market share with xbox
[17:35] <pwillard> They have wanted to be more in control what hardware they support from the OS since the mid 90's I believe. Though, on the other hand... if crazy one-off USB dongles stop gettiing created because Microsoft starts saying "no 3rd part drivers iin the OS" then that could be a good thing... IE; all WIFI dongles would be the same and run by the same driver. So all linux would need to do is have 1 as well.
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[17:36] <drogon> apart from hardware signing...
[17:37] <A1B0HPH0B1A> pwillard: That would be pretty awesome, but I think we can only really call it a pipe dream!
[17:37] <drogon> if MS insist on hardware signed products then we're doomed - for a while.
[17:37] <pwillard> Well, I still don't see APPLE server farms in my Data Center. ;-) But they have end user experience and ease of use to where it looks like Microsoft if envious now.
[17:37] <bircoe> till enough people start jumping ship
[17:37] <hermanhermitage> isnt the desktop over?
[17:37] <hermanhermitage> i mean how fast have SoCs gone from 100Mhz to 1.5GHz?
[17:37] <hermanhermitage> how long did the x86 alliance take?
[17:38] <bircoe> Asus Transformer Infinity = Quad Core 1.9ghz!
[17:38] <hermanhermitage> the clock ceiling is in place
[17:38] <pwillard> Nice
[17:39] <bircoe> hmmm
[17:39] <bircoe> maybe not...
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[17:39] <bircoe> damned dodgy reviews, Asus website says 1.6...
[17:39] <pwillard> haha... burned by hype
[17:40] <bircoe> http://ritchiesroom.com/2012/06/12/asus-transformer-infinity-first-look/
[17:40] <bircoe> "Inside the Infinity is an upgraded quad core Tegra 3 chip, quoted at 1.6GHz but benchmarked at 1.9GHz."
[17:40] <bircoe> Wonder what they mean by benchmarked...
[17:41] <pwillard> wow! The nerve of some people... http://www.quickembed.com/Tools/Shop/Solution/201208/260.html
[17:41] <hermanhermitage> the batter burnt down 1.9/1.6 x quicker than they expected? :P
[17:41] <hermanhermitage> battery
[17:41] <bircoe> ROLF
[17:42] <bircoe> CPU 1.5GHz ARM Cortex-A8 multi-core Mali400 graphic engine. <= sounds liek AllWinner A10
[17:43] <hotwings> hermanhermitage - why would you think desktops are over?! that couldnt be further from the truth
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[17:43] <pwillard> Hype Stealers... lol
[17:43] <bircoe> They haven't stolen anything... except a few sniggers
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[17:44] <hermanhermitage> hotwings: really? i've seen laptops and special purpose devices (phones, tablets, media centres, consoles) decimate desktops
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[17:44] <bircoe> decimate is an interesting term...
[17:44] <hermanhermitage> hotwings: to the point where hp, dell, et al are running screaming
[17:45] <hotwings> is that were true, how do you account for the steady sales of desktops, which has seen nearly no impact from laptops/tablets/special purpose?
[17:45] <bircoe> I've yet to see a reasonably priced laptop decimate my computer in 1080p h264 encoding performance.
[17:45] <hermanhermitage> performance?
[17:45] <hermanhermitage> sales figures.
[17:46] <hotwings> its hard to say a product that is still selling strong, in the hundreds of millions per year range, has been decimated.. or even impacted at all
[17:46] <nid0> sales figures show that pc sales have been relatively steady, but still trending upwards
[17:46] <bircoe> unless the laptop is an incredibly high end device it's not likely to outperform and half reasonable desktop
[17:46] <nid0> thats the oddest definition of "decimated" i've ever heard
[17:46] <bircoe> any
[17:47] <drogon> ah well. time to go.
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[17:48] <hotwings> desktops arent going to be replaced by laptops or tablets. i dont see why its so hard to understand that each device has its own purposes & usefulness. no single device replaces another. if anything they compliment each other.
[17:48] <nid0> indeed, most people just end up with 3-4 computing devices where a decade ago they had 1
[17:49] <hotwings> yup, exactly. im one of those people too :)
[17:49] <hermanhermitage> denial much?
[17:49] <nid0> stating the obvious much.
[17:49] <hermanhermitage> look at the ratio of laptop to desktop sales from 1980 to 2012
[17:49] <pwillard> I take my tablet places where I would never take my Laptop. And I will NOT do everything with my tiny phone.
[17:49] <nid0> whats ratio got to do with anything?
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[17:50] <hotwings> when you compare laptop and desktop sales, nid0's point is proven. people buy desktops, _and_ laptops.
[17:50] <hermanhermitage> i believe its one total divided by another, indicating the relative effect of volume production on discounting
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[17:50] <hotwings> hermanhermitage - you can think anything you like but the numbers dont lie and they tell a vastly different story from what youre claiming
[17:51] <Hodapp> Leaving aside whether or not that's even accurate, I still don't think that answers nid0's question.
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[17:51] <hermanhermitage> hah not sure what planet you are on
[17:53] <Hodapp> If proving or otherwise supporting the point you are aiming to make is your goal, perhaps your starting point should be something other than an unfounded assertion of my own lack of comprehension.
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[17:55] <devnull42> some people will go with laptops over desktops. I have both, and a tablet, and a phone. (and a Pi). But a tablet isn't going to replace a laptop or a desktop.
[17:56] <hermanhermitage> Tablets are modelled by most analysts as a net gain for desktop and a net loss for laptop.
[17:57] <Hodapp> hermanhermitage: Why is it relevant what the majority of analysts supposedly model tablets as?
[17:57] <hermanhermitage> No amount of logic of facts will disuade you?
[17:58] <hermanhermitage> so the actual real sales figures of desktop relative to other forms... indicated desktop utterly decimated the last 16 quarters somehow is over your head.
[17:58] <nid0> your conclusion is based purely on desktop sales figures being "decimated" purely as a percentage ratio of sales, not actually numbers
[17:58] <nid0> ie your conclusion is a load of cock
[17:59] <hermanhermitage> hows HP doing?
[17:59] <hermanhermitage> hows Dell doing?
[17:59] <hermanhermitage> go do the numbers son.
[17:59] <hermanhermitage> severe margin collapse.
[18:00] <bircoe> judging by the amoutn of business my employer swings by Dell they are doing jsut fine!
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[18:00] <nid0> hermanhermitage: HP posted a 10% decrease year on year in personal pc sales
[18:00] <Hodapp> hermanhermitage: I really don't think this level of condescension is necessary, nor is it helping your case at all.
[18:01] <nid0> and (correctly) attributed it entirely to asian pc manufactures getting a huge foothold in the market, not a "decimation" of desktop sales
[18:01] <hermanhermitage> there is no case, just the raw numbers
[18:01] <Hodapp> nid0: SEE?! Decimation! According to the actual Roman definition of it, sort of, where they'd kill every 10th soldier!
[18:01] <hermanhermitage> versus random anecdotes
[18:01] <nid0> case in point, hows lenovo doing?
[18:01] <nid0> owait.
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[18:02] <Hodapp> hermanhermitage: You've assumed something of a false dichotomy between 'random anecdotes' and 'raw numbers', and you've yet to actually firmly plant yourself in the category you are trying to set up as the one of undeniable truth.
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[18:03] <bircoe> Whos got a link to the "actual" sales figures so we can see who's right?
[18:03] <nid0> both gartner and IDC agree that the desktop market has kinda stagnated and stopped growing, however that 1) isnt "decimated", its just "stopped growing", and its stopped growing at very nearly its peak.
[18:03] <bircoe> end this crap
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[18:03] <Hodapp> hermanhermitage: And if you're trying to claim 'raw numbers' as your defense, please use less emotionally-loaded terms than 'decimate', 'decimated', 'decimation' and maybe use, uh, some raw numbers.
[18:04] <nid0> and 2) they attribute the slowdown just as much to extended pc lifetimes and lack of new desktop experiences, as competition from other device classes
[18:05] <Hodapp> nid0: No, the OEMs murdered every 10th desktop to scare the other desktops into obedience. Decimation by the raw numbers. Q.E.D.
[18:05] <hermanhermitage> decimate is not emotionally laden, it means to drastically reduce.
[18:05] <nid0> Gartner show a shrink of 0.1% in desktop sales figures over the past year
[18:05] <bircoe> I am going to decimate my bowel content...
[18:06] <nid0> thats about the lowest "drastic reduction" i've ever heard of
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[18:06] <Hodapp> hermanhermitage: Sorry, but if you claim that a term is not emotionally laden and then define it using the term "drastically"...
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[18:07] <hotwings> if selling a solid hundreds of millions of units per year is "decimated" then desktop makers must be tickled pink to be "decimated".
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[18:08] <markllama> really? We're really discussing the definition of "decimated"?
[18:08] <markllama> Really?
[18:08] <hermanhermitage> yes
[18:08] <hotwings> bottom line is that reality reflects the opposite of what hermanhermitage is claiming. no amount of debate or argument will nullify that
[18:08] <hermanhermitage> apparently its emotional
[18:08] <bircoe> Global PC sales stalled in the second quarter, a seventh straight period of anemic growth, market researcher Gartner Inc. said last month.
[18:09] <bircoe> http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/Dell-Declines-After-Forecast-Miss-as-PC-Sales-3807895.php
[18:09] <markllama> more to the original point: the argument over desktop vs laptop vs ??? is empty anyway. THey're all computers. All you're discussing is the packaging.
[18:09] <bircoe> good point markllama!!!
[18:10] <Hodapp> hermanhermitage: If it's a term that carries no emotion, then you'll have no objection with replacing all use of 'decimate' with a reference to a specific reduction by raw numbers.
[18:10] <hermanhermitage> or more to the point a innovators dilemma style replacement
[18:10] <markllama> sure, there will be more turn-key set top/desktop/pocket devices. And sure some companies will win and others will lose with their choices of the market to go after.
[18:11] <hotwings> not really. while theyre all computers, and all may have a common set of uses between them, they also differ in purpose & use as well. they arent simply interchangable as hermanhermitage seems to believe
[18:11] <hermanhermitage> interchangable?
[18:11] <markllama> Hodapp: Re reading the original comment, the term was mis-used. It's intent was understood. Can we move on?
[18:11] <hermanhermitage> whre did i write that?
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[18:11] <hermanhermitage> or are you back spewing words into peoples mouths?
[18:11] <hotwings> hermanhermitage - i didnt quote you, i said "they arent simply interchangable as hermanhermitage seems to believe"
[18:11] <bircoe> The organisation I work for buy approx 5000 new computers during the "5 year refresh cycle" and at least another 1500-2000 between refreshes, also at a guess approx 1000 laptops are purchased a year...
[18:12] <nid0> hermanhermitage: it's implied in the fact that you seem to think that rise in mobile device sales = "decimation" of desktop sales, in that people buy one rather than the other
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[18:12] <hermanhermitage> no you are making that up
[18:12] <hermanhermitage> you cant guess someones beliefs
[18:12] <hermanhermitage> thats your belief
[18:12] <hotwings> we dont need to guess what you believe, youre willingly telling us
[18:12] <markllama> actually, I was the one implying that they were interchangable. But herman is baiting you with personal commentary by responding to percieved accusations that are baseless but serve to allow him to fan flames.
[18:12] * bircoe would like a kicking boot...
[18:13] <markllama> bircoe: That would be a last resort, but I expect the snarling parties will get tired soon.
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[18:13] <markllama> How about them Sox?
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[18:13] <markllama> heh
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[18:13] <IT_Sean> What... You all saw he asked for that!
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[18:14] <markllama> I did! I did see it!
[18:14] <bircoe> now that wasn't very nice...
[18:14] <bircoe> I didn't say I wanted to be kicked... I said I wanted a kicking boot... you knwo to kick others with!
[18:14] <IT_Sean> Sorry bircoe, but, you did ask "for a kicking boot" and I just couldnt resist after spending all morning on the phone with a particularly dull customer
[18:14] <bircoe> :)
[18:14] <bircoe> i can accept that
[18:14] <markllama> semantics. He should have decimated the room by making the rest of us kick 35.7 people out.
[18:14] * IT_Sean tosses bircoe a beer
[18:15] <bircoe> PS I know your pain buddy
[18:15] <nid0> 3.57 people*
[18:15] <nid0> no wait, 0.357 people
[18:15] <markllama> 1 in 10. Decimate.
[18:15] <IT_Sean> bircoe: You work in tech support?
[18:15] <bircoe> yeah
[18:15] * nid0 does
[18:15] <bircoe> for a rather large organisation
[18:15] * IT_Sean does as well
[18:15] * markllama did. My pager rates are too high now.
[18:15] <bircoe> on night shift this week...
[18:16] * IT_Sean is the sole customer facing tech support rep for his company
[18:16] <bircoe> nice!!!
[18:16] <bircoe> we have approx 13 people on our desk
[18:16] <IT_Sean> Not really :p
[18:16] <bircoe> to support ~7500
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[18:17] <IT_Sean> We have about 13 people in the company. Hundreds of customers, though, each with thousands of our devices.
[18:17] <bircoe> fun fun!!!
[18:17] <bircoe> may i ask which company you work for?
[18:17] <IT_Sean> You may ask.
[18:17] <bircoe> mnay you answer?
[18:18] <IT_Sean> I may. But, I prefer not to, if you don't mind.
[18:18] <bircoe> fair enough
[18:18] <bircoe> at least a hint at what the devices are?
[18:18] <markllama> "computing"?
[18:18] <bircoe> your kidding????
[18:19] <bircoe> mind = blown
[18:19] <IT_Sean> Heh
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[18:19] <IT_Sean> Encrypted out of band management equipment. And if you know what that is without googling, I'll give you a pint.
[18:20] <markllama> I have a fair guess
[18:20] <IT_Sean> A fair guess at what?
[18:20] <Essobi> Are there pi's in stock anywhere?
[18:20] <markllama> My brother works on similar things I suspect. Binary load lifters. Very like your vaporators.
[18:20] <bircoe> Hmm interesting, sounds like something our IT Security guys would be into...
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[18:21] <IT_Sean> We give you encrypted access, over a dial line, to the console ports on your networking kit. So when your ip network poos itself, you don't need to send someone on site to get it going again.
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[18:21] <bircoe> Upon googleing sounds more like our Network Services guys!
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[18:22] <Essobi> IT_Sean: You could build them pretty cheap with a pi and a GSM card.
[18:22] <IT_Sean> Essobi: Not to the spec required by the federal government you can't.
[18:22] <Hodapp> markllama: Regarding what you said earlier: The problem is that even if the use of the term is understood, the notion that it represents some sort of objective measure is incorrect. I'm not concerned with the originally-intended meaning, I'm concerned with the meaning that is repeatedly asserted after.
[18:22] <Hodapp> markllama: moot point though, as he's left.
[18:23] <markllama> Hodapp: Since he's not here now to be incited, I'll accept that without further comment :-)
[18:23] <bircoe> Hodapp, I'm pretty sure we're past that now... move on buddy,
[18:23] <IT_Sean> bircoe: If your network goons are looking for that sort of thing, let me know. I'm usually here in the evenings (US EST).
[18:23] <Essobi> FFFFFFFF..... Allied says none available and Element14 say non available. *sigh*
[18:23] <Hodapp> That is, I'm fine with him claiming something is 'decimated' if he's going to give it as an opinion and give it without insulting people.
[18:24] <bircoe> our network is redundant out the wazooo!!!
[18:24] <IT_Sean> Fair nuff. I'm not here to hock wares. Just Thoth I'd mention it.
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[18:26] <nid0> bircoe, where do *you* work
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[18:26] <bircoe> understood... not trying to fob you off or anything...
[18:26] <bircoe> heheh I can't really answer that :)
[18:26] <bircoe> I will say that it is for a large government organisation located in Australia with offices around the world...
[18:27] <IT_Sean> HE'S A GUBMENT SPOOK!! ORF WIT IS 'EAD!
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[18:28] <bircoe> I'm no spook... the closest I get to a spook is talking to them on the phone :P
[18:28] <IT_Sean> Hodapp: Problem?
[18:28] <Hodapp> IT_Sean: Maybe I should ask you the same :P
[18:28] <bircoe> lol
[18:28] <bircoe> maybe i should be running...
[18:29] <IT_Sean> I don't have any problems. Which is why I have an Automated Behedding Unit. It solves problems.
[18:29] <bircoe> o.0
[18:29] <IT_Sean> Nah... Your alright bircoe.
[18:29] <bircoe> :)
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[18:29] <Hodapp> If your only problem is that you need a way to behead people faster, then I think you have some issues, really :P
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[18:30] <markllama> heh
[18:30] <bircoe> depends what you class as issues... doesn't it.
[18:30] <markllama> Hodapp: Are you really going to raise those concerns to someone with an Automated Beheading Unit?
[18:30] * Hodapp beheads bircoe
[18:30] <bircoe> !!!
[18:31] <IT_Sean> This thing can do 10 HPM! (heads per minute). That's pretty dammed fast!
[18:31] <Hodapp> so can your mo-
[18:31] * IT_Sean sticks bircoe's head back on
[18:31] * Hodapp starts running
[18:31] <Hodapp> -ther
[18:31] <mrdragons> One every 6 seconds? Pssh. >.>
[18:31] <thrawed> guillotine + conveyer belt
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[18:31] <markllama> IT_Sean: But can the line workers stop production if there's a snag so that the 6-Sigma folks can analyze it and improve your HPM?
[18:32] <bircoe> I'm sure i could script ti :)
[18:32] <bircoe> it...
[18:32] <markllama> so now we have a SOFTWARE automated beheading unit.
[18:32] <markllama> Patent it! Quick!
[18:32] <Hodapp> Does anyone remember that machine years back that I felt was kinda similar to the RPi but was PPC-based? I thought it was caled the CherryPi or something but I can't seem to find info about it
[18:32] <IT_Sean> markllama: Line workers? It sits on a trailer and is powered by the W8 out of a passat. It only takes one person to operate!
[18:33] <markllama> soon we'll have dueling Android and iPhone beheading apps.
[18:33] <IT_Sean> It has litter ally two buttons. On, and off.
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[18:33] <markllama> IT_Sean: but how do you corral the head donors to it?
[18:33] <bircoe> no "Chop" button?
[18:33] <Hodapp> markllama: don't forget Windows 8.
[18:33] <IT_Sean> bircoe: That's what the on button does
[18:33] <Hodapp> markllama: it's totally gonna win out over both.
[18:34] <markllama> heh
[18:34] <bircoe> I see...
[18:34] <mrdragons> Hodapp: They removed the ability to chop heads in w8. :\
[18:34] <markllama> The iPhone one will only behead certified people provided by the iPhone store. The Android one will be hacked and counterfeited with cheap beheading knock-offs
[18:35] <IT_Sean> mrdragons: Yeah, but if you install the SalemWitchHunt patch, you can reenable the headchoppery in win 8
[18:35] <markllama> so yeah, Win 8 will win...
[18:35] <IT_Sean> Windows 7 is a pile of crap. So... That makes windows 8 a pile of crap with glitter in it, right?
[18:35] * markllama must say this is a way more fun off-topic diversion than "decimated" ;-)
[18:36] <Hodapp> but seriously, what was that PPC-powered board from 2007 or 2008 called? It had "Pi" in the name in one form or another...
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[18:37] <Hodapp> oh, derp, it was CherryPal, not CherryPi
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[18:37] <IT_Sean> Count it behead people?
[18:37] <IT_Sean> *could
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[18:37] <Hodapp> yeah
[18:38] <bircoe> IT_Sean, LET'S JUST SAY WHEN wIN 8 DROPS i WON'T BE IN LINE...
[18:38] <IT_Sean> Same here.
[18:39] <bircoe> stupid caps lock
[18:39] <IT_Sean> Mac & Linux user here.
[18:39] <bircoe> same
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[18:39] <Hodapp> Same, except for my jorb, where I use Win7.
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[18:39] <bircoe> wife has a 24" iMac with 16gb RAM, and all my PC's a Linux
[18:41] * IT_Sean has: iMac running OSX, ThinkPad x220t running Ubuntu, and a CR-48 that'll be running Mint as soon as I get home tonight
[18:41] <bircoe> considering buying an 11" Macbook Air
[18:41] <IT_Sean> What OS would you run on it?
[18:42] <bircoe> Dualboot OSX and Ubuntu i think...
[18:42] <IT_Sean> Fair nuff.
[18:42] <bircoe> with Unity uninstalled of course.
[18:42] <IT_Sean> I love OS X, but, I decided my laptops could do with running Linux full time, so, I stopped buying apple laptops.
[18:42] <IT_Sean> Of course
[18:42] <IT_Sean> I killed unity off after about 1 minute :p
[18:42] <bircoe> same!
[18:43] <jui-feng> <3 unity
[18:43] <bircoe> Gnome classic here
[18:43] <markllama> i still install twm as a backup. and sometimes I still use it
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[18:44] <bircoe> ahhh special
[18:44] <bircoe> would be good for an RPi :)
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[18:44] <[SLB]> i installed windowmaker
[18:44] <IT_Sean> jui-feng: Unity is [really long string of language that is not suitable for #raspberrypi]
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[18:45] <[SLB]> on the pi, plus twm
[18:45] <IT_Sean> Gnome classic FTW
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[18:45] <bircoe> Gnome Shell looks pretty funky, looks liek what Unity should have been
[18:45] <jui-feng> oh, I love gnome3 as well
[18:45] <markllama> anyone else think a preference war is.... a really good idea?
[18:45] <[SLB]> am on gnome-shell now on fedora
[18:45] <markllama> though this isn't so much war as a snugglefest.
[18:46] <jui-feng> gnome classic was good too. I love all the desktops. :D
[18:46] <[SLB]> yea am not saying which is better, just what am using :3
[18:46] * Hodapp <3 WindowMaker
[18:46] <IT_Sean> markllama: Better than talking about behedding people.
[18:46] <bircoe> no need for multiple desktops when you have multiple monitors!
[18:46] <[SLB]> lol
[18:46] <markllama> IT_Sean: Fair enough :-)
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[18:47] <IT_Sean> :p
[18:48] <bircoe> my Desktop PC at work has a tripple monitor setup... just need to steal a 4th monitor and I'm set :)
[18:48] <IT_Sean> Dual 22s at work for me.
[18:48] <bircoe> only dual montiors at home
[18:48] <IT_Sean> Sadly, they both display the output form a windows 7 pc :(
[18:48] <bircoe> 3x 22's for me...
[18:49] <bircoe> same Windows 7 for us,
[18:49] <Essobi> IT_Sean: You could make it FIPS 140-2. It's not hard.
[18:49] * cccyRegeaneAway is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[18:49] <bircoe> we recently rolled out Win7 from XP and people we're asking why we aren't rolling out Win 8...
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[18:49] <dennistlg> some times i use a tougbook at work no pc and no need for dual monitoring (os win xp)
[18:49] <Hodapp> I've considered setting up some cheap microcontrollers to drive all these old VGA displays (CRTs) we have sitting around the hackerspace
[18:50] <IT_Sean> Essobi: Our kit is fips 140-2 validated (complaint and validated are two very different things, and you would've hard pressed to have a bodied together smartphone solution validated)
[18:50] <IT_Sean> Pardon the typos, I'm on my iPad
[18:50] <dennistlg> @ home i only have single screen to
[18:50] <IT_Sean> Single screen at home.
[18:50] <Essobi> IT_Sean: Your "kit"? OpenSSL is available that is compliant and validated.
[18:51] <IT_Sean> Essobi: Yes, but, when you put it into a hardware appliance, there is a whole nother level of requirements
[18:51] <bircoe> 2x Dell 2005FPW's on my home desk
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[18:52] <IT_Sean> Things like led holes in the case being sealed, other stuff I cant go Ito, etc...
[18:52] <Essobi> IT_Sean: It's no different then a linux box and has the exact same level 1 validation and compliance for a level1 device given the crypto officer follows the rules to build/install/etc.
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[18:53] <Essobi> IT_Sean: now if you need greater then level 1, it's a whole different ballpark, but none of the contracts I've seen require above level 1 unless it's for external drive encryption.
[18:54] <Essobi> IT_Sean: Did I mention I'm a spook too?
[18:54] <IT_Sean> I'm not arguing with you
[18:54] <Essobi> :D
[18:54] <Essobi> Just saying...
[18:54] <IT_Sean> I'm just point out that when you go to actually create a device from the ground up to fips (as well as a number of other certs) it getsa little hairy :p
[18:54] <bircoe> our network is soo tightly locked down that the only USB devices that can be written too are approved hardware encryped flash drives
[18:55] <IT_Sean> Granted. Most of hte hairiness comes in when several certs conflict, but...
[18:55] <bircoe> then on the flip side anyone can burn a CD.... figure that one out.
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[18:55] <Essobi> IT_Sean: Oh.. hell yes it does. 18 months + just to get certified an $80K atleast. :(
[18:55] <Essobi> bircoe: That's called compliance.
[18:56] <Essobi> bircoe: Compliance is a step above negligence.
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[18:56] <bircoe> theres allot of negligence amung our staff :)
[18:56] * Essobi notes your IP.... j/k.
[18:56] <IT_Sean> I accidentally carried a flash drive (it was on my key ring) into a particular 3 letter government entity's primary datacenter once.
[18:56] <IT_Sean> Oops.
[18:56] <Hodapp> HEY LOOK OVER THERE
[18:56] * Hodapp installs a keylogger on bircoe's machine
[18:57] <bircoe> My IP won't give you clues as to where I work...
[18:57] <bircoe> and a keylogger won't help :P
[18:57] <IT_Sean> They didn't let me keep it, andi had to answer a lot of questions.
[18:57] <Essobi> IT_Sean: :D
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[18:58] <Essobi> IT_Sean: I should publish my OpenVPN FIPS 140-2 build guide...
[18:58] <Hodapp> I was at Hill AFB once in Utah and forgot about some of their rules; we were talking to some IT people and they needed to give us some documents.
[18:58] <Hodapp> I suggested using a flash drive and got a dozen stern looks as if I'd just suggested treason against the government.
[18:58] <Essobi> Hodapp: haha... :D
[18:58] <IT_Sean> Yeah.... That's pretty much what happened to me.
[18:58] <bircoe> what knobs...
[18:59] <Hodapp> and they made it sound like MPs would be rappeling down the building any minute now and breaking in the windows if I didn't hush up really quickly.
[18:59] <Essobi> Soooooo.... anyone played with uart1 on GPIO40?
[18:59] <Essobi> Hodapp: .... they probably would have.
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[18:59] <IT_Sean> I made the mistake of carrying a flaws drive in, then made the mistake of suggesting the use of a flash drive to move some files, then made the mistake, when asked if I had a flash drive on my person, of answering in the negative.
[18:59] <Hodapp> Essobi: I wasn't about to test it.
[18:59] <bircoe> we allow read access to any USB device, but write access is restricted to devices that have 256bit AES hardware encryption
[19:00] <IT_Sean> A very burly man removed my (personal!) flash drive from my key ring, and put it in an envelope marked "incinerate"
[19:00] <bircoe> LOL
[19:00] <Hodapp> on the bases we've sent people, they've - perplexingly - allowed USB hard drives but not flash drives
[19:00] <Hodapp> and on the laptops they send us with access to the military VPN, if you even plug in a flash drive you have to go on-site and get everything on the laptop unlocked again
[19:01] <IT_Sean> I'd prefer not To overtly say whcih entity this was... But, let's say that they deal with very personal information and start with the letter S
[19:01] <Hodapp> SPCA?!
[19:01] <IT_Sean> No... Not the SPCA :|
[19:01] <IT_Sean> One too many letters on that
[19:02] <IT_Sean> Aaaaaaand that's my lunch over. Goodbye
[19:02] <bircoe> later
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[19:02] <mrdragons> Back to work, corporate slave!
[19:02] <bircoe> on that note, this baby is asleep again and I'm going to be as well...
[19:03] <bircoe> feeding a baby at 3am is anoying as hell!
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[19:10] <Essobi> *yawn*
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[19:11] <Essobi> So are there any brick and mortars with the Pi in the USA?
[19:11] <Essobi> I need another pi, and fffffffffffffffffff all if farnell/element aren't out of stock.
[19:11] <Essobi> And I hate feeding the ebay hustlers.
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[19:14] <lrusak> what about newark?
[19:14] <lrusak> ah, element 14
[19:14] <lrusak> duh
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[19:27] <swecide> http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=488197
[19:27] <swecide> ... wrong window
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[19:50] <trumee> is 3.2.27 the official kernel for raspbian?
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[20:52] <syntaxx> Hi I got my raspberry and I would like to know if it will work if I have a 2 TB external with dedicated? for storage?
[20:52] <syntaxx> s/dedicated/dedicated power
[20:53] <Hodapp> Does the external use USB?
[20:53] <syntaxx> yes
[20:53] <Hodapp> Well, why wouldn't it?
[20:53] <InControl> yes you can use use a self powered USB hard drive for storage but not boot
[20:53] <Hodapp> It's just Linux.
[20:53] <InControl> Pi will only boot from SD card
[20:53] <syntaxx> Good to know coz I have tried attaching a 1 TB passport and it didnt seem to detect
[20:54] <Hodapp> syntaxx: you should probably post in the forums about that and see what dmesg and lsusb said, if anything
[20:54] <InControl> you mean it didn't mount or not showing on USB devices ?
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[20:56] <syntaxx> InControl, yeah it doesnt mount the 1TB
[20:57] <InControl> it will need to be in EXT or FAT to mount, if it is in NTFS or HFS it won't mount
[20:58] <syntaxx> aha thats why
[20:58] <syntaxx> so there is no way i could mount an NTFS filesystem?
[20:58] <InControl> yes but you would need to install FUSE on the Pi and mount it manually
[20:59] <mjr> fuse and ntfs-3g
[20:59] <syntaxx> ok let me try
[20:59] <InControl> not sure is FUSE is available ready complied for Raspbian
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[21:03] <nummy> anyone ever get openoffice to work on raspi?
[21:04] * gordonDrogon cringes
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> while it may work, it'll be dreadfully slow.
[21:04] <nummy> true
[21:04] <nummy> I guess abiword and gnumeric are fine for now
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[21:05] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I just run up libroffice on my x86 desktop - 200KB for a small document...
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> wonder how ARM code compares to x86 code.
[21:06] <syntaxx> InControl, fuse and ntfs-3g is installed
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> oops, 200MB, not KB!
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[21:06] <AC`97> :D
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> just use vi and latex :)
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> that's very usable on a Pi.
[21:07] <AC`97> i got my relays partially set up. yay.
[21:07] <InControl> fdisk -l | grep NTFS
[21:07] <InControl> will list NTFS partitions
[21:08] <InControl> create a mount point like mkdir /mnt/ntfs
[21:08] <InControl> then mount example mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/ntfs/
[21:09] <syntaxx> alright
[21:09] <AC`97> om nom nom fuse
[21:10] <syntaxx> hmm i dont think it detected.. hold on ill gonna paste it in the pastebin
[21:10] <AC`97> i prefer to copy before i paste.
[21:11] <[SLB]> gordon did you want to set up znc?
[21:11] <syntaxx> InControl, http://pastebin.com/3L2scEys
[21:11] <AC`97> usb problem~
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[21:12] <AC`97> syntaxx: sounds like your usb device isn't getting enough powuh
[21:13] <syntaxx> yeah i think so too. its a 1TB passport
[21:13] <AC`97> or bad usb cable
[21:13] <InControl> how is it powered ?
[21:13] <AC`97> i sure hope it's not usb-powered
[21:13] <syntaxx> this one is not dedicated
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[21:13] <AC`97> then it will NOT work
[21:13] <AC`97> even a regular computer usb port might have trouble powering it
[21:13] <syntaxx> but the one i have a 2TB has a dedicated power
[21:13] <InControl> Your Drive will need at least 500mA
[21:13] <InControl> Pi can only supply 200mA
[21:14] <syntaxx> ahh i see
[21:14] <syntaxx> thanks for the confirmation..
[21:14] <InControl> you can power the drive from a USB charger if you get one of those dual USB Y cables
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[21:14] <InControl> otherwise you will have to use a self powered drive.
[21:14] <AC`97> or external powered hub
[21:15] <syntaxx> ok thanks a lot guys.. so my 2TB self powered will be usable then
[21:15] <InControl> Yes powered hub probably easiest
[21:15] <InControl> Yes your 2TB dtive will be fine
[21:16] <syntaxx> anyone here running raspbmc? i am thinking if it can play a 29GB 1080p movie
[21:16] <AC`97> syntaxx: depends on the bitrate
[21:16] <AC`97> video bitrate.
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[21:17] <Diaoul> also if you have a DTS capable output
[21:17] <AC`97> (om nom nom DTS)
[21:17] <syntaxx> any of you tested the max bitrate of the video that can play in raspbmc?
[21:17] <AC`97> syntaxx: no need to test. it's stated somewhere.
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[21:18] <syntaxx> alright.. still playing with the rpi will test it later hehe
[21:18] <syntaxx> thanks again
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[21:26] <dave_J> I am trying to build a kernel module for raspbian/wheezy but am having trouble - i believe because i don't have the kernel headers
[21:26] <dave_J> to keep things simple, i've gone back to basics - http://tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/x121.html
[21:27] <dave_J> and have been looking for a simple guide to follow for getting the correct headers
[21:27] <dave_J> but am having no luck. can anyone suggest a resource?
[21:27] <dave_J> (it's also possible i'm no putting them in the correct place or just don't know what i'm doing)
[21:28] <AC`97> ...
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[21:29] <AC`97> dave_J: what kernel module are you trying to build?
[21:29] <AC`97> your own code??
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[21:29] <dave_J> yeah - it's a usb driver (for talking to a robot)
[21:30] <AC`97> ah i see
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[21:30] <AC`97> can't help there. i'm computer illiterate :|
[21:31] <dave_J> :)
[21:31] <AC`97> (:
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[21:37] <Vibe> hi
[21:37] <Vibe> do I need an adapter to use 5 pin I2C with raspberrypi?
[21:37] <nummy> hi
[21:37] <Vibe> cos there seems to be 13pins
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[21:39] <nummy> you tie the 5 pins to whatever pins u need
[21:39] <AC`97> and bitbangbangbang
[21:40] <Vibe> yeap
[21:40] <Vibe> how do I know what pin is what?
[21:41] <AC`97> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#General_Purpose_Input.2FOutput_.28GPIO.29
[21:41] <nummy> google "raspberry gpio pinout"
[21:41] <Vibe> ok, thx
[21:42] <Vibe> I think its standard I2C 5pin cable
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[21:42] <Vibe> dont know its pins..
[21:42] <AC`97> are you sure it's not actually 2-3 pins?
[21:43] <AC`97> perhaps there's a pwr and gnd??
[21:43] * AC`97 is electronics illiterate
[21:43] <Vibe> there might be also SPI with it in same cable if I heard right..
[21:43] * Vibe is noob with this..
[21:43] <AC`97> i've only managed to buzz some relays.
[21:44] <AC`97> and beep a piezo beeper
[21:44] <Vibe> hehe
[21:44] <Vibe> beagle board seems to have 5pin connector, like that
[21:44] <AC`97> though i supposse i can replace the beeper with some poor relay too
[21:44] <Vibe> it should work with it
[21:45] <Vibe> heard that
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[21:46] <nummy> whats some cool software I can install on my raspi? I have done pidgin, xchat, chrome browser, quake, gnumeric, abiword ..... I'm bored lol, not sure what else I could install
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[21:47] <markllama> well there's XBMC
[21:47] <hotwings> cool software.. md5sum is pretty cool
[21:47] <nummy> lol
[21:47] <AC`97> tac is pretty cool. backwards cat
[21:47] <nummy> XBMC is a distro itself though, right? its not a package I install
[21:47] <hotwings> hdparm
[21:48] <markllama> hotwings: sha1sum is so today
[21:48] <markllama> nummy: It's a source package you can build
[21:48] <Vlad> no, nummy
[21:48] <Vlad> but there are distros specifically for xbmc
[21:48] <nummy> ohhhh
[21:48] <markllama> some people have created a separate image of it.
[21:48] <nummy> interesting
[21:48] <Vlad> i'm using raspbmc, it seems really good :)
[21:48] <hotwings> if you like math, bc is pretty cool
[21:48] <AC`97> nummy: archlinux
[21:48] <markllama> I built it on raspbian
[21:49] <nummy> cool, sounds like a fun project
[21:49] <[SLB]> how did you make it work? to me it says it can't run since x is not accelerated
[21:49] <nummy> hotwings, what is bc?
[21:49] <AC`97> calculator.
[21:50] <AC`97> ohwait, i'm not hotwings
[21:50] <AC`97> ignore me.
[21:50] <nummy> lol
[21:50] <hotwings> calculator
[21:50] <AC`97> ^
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[21:50] <hotwings> heh
[21:51] <AC`97> nummy: got a heatsink on your hot pi yet?
[21:51] <nummy> actually yea
[21:52] <nummy> I have a piholder
[21:52] <nummy> http://www.piholder.com
[21:52] <AC`97> oh. i was thinking oven mitts
[21:52] <AC`97> :D
[21:52] <nummy> the whole case acts as a heatsink
[21:53] <AC`97> not really
[21:53] <devnull42> those are nice cases. i just wouldn't want to spend twice as much on a case as i did on the computer.
[21:53] <devnull42> but best looking case by far.
[21:53] <nummy> yea they are overpriced
[21:53] <AC`97> i can make my own out of steel...
[21:53] * AC`97 has plasma cutter :D
[21:54] <Vibe> there seems to connector like this to connect RPi -> http://iph.no-ip.biz/~Vibe/connector.JPG
[21:54] <devnull42> I would get a pibow case if it came in something other than rainbow color.
[21:54] <hotwings> that case is cool but the price is outrageous
[21:54] <Vibe> do I need an adapter to it?
[21:54] <bertrik> do you get a free pi with that case or something? :D
[21:55] <AC`97> it comes pi-free
[21:55] <hotwings> for $65 it better come with an rpi, and beer!
[21:55] <nummy> it comes with thermal paste lol
[21:55] <hotwings> theres a whopping $2 value!
[21:55] <hotwings> lol
[21:55] <devnull42> i like my adafruit case, but would love one that didn't rattle
[21:56] <AC`97> mine homemade case doesn't rattle :]
[21:56] <nid0> same problem with my modmypi cases, my pi's rattle in them :(
[21:56] <hotwings> im using air for my case at the moment. no rattle, but not very attractive
[21:56] <devnull42> the pibow is one of the few i have seen that isn't supposed to rattle
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[21:57] <devnull42> hotwings: air is attractive. i was using it but worried i would yank a cable and pull it onto my wire rack.
[21:58] <hotwings> i was going to make a case actually. and also map the connectors all to one side while i was at it
[22:00] <nid0> still looking to buy/have designed and made a 5 pi case
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[22:03] <hotwings> a google maps car just went down my street... :\
[22:04] <markllama> Did you go wave and take a picture?
[22:04] <mranostay> did you have your tin foil face shield on?
[22:05] <markllama> so you can be recursive?
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[22:10] <gordonDrogon> devnull42, did you remember the bit of plastic to go under the Ethernet socket?
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[22:16] <trumee> can this be connected to Pi? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=153219#p153219
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[22:18] <devnull42> gordonDrogon: yeah, got that
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[22:19] <prpplague> trumee: some of the gpios can be pinmuxed and configured as an i2s interface
[22:19] <hotwings> nope, i didnt wave markllama
[22:19] <prpplague> trench: don't know what the performance would be like
[22:19] <hotwings> the guy was speeding very fast
[22:19] <devnull42> gordonDrogon: it's just that the inside of the case is a little bit bigger than the board and the tabs aren't snug in the holes so the whole thing is just loose.
[22:20] <devnull42> but i won't be taking that one anywhere.
[22:20] <hotwings> enough that i think im going to call google and complain about it
[22:20] <trumee> prpplague: cheers. i am on the lookout for a sound card with stereo line-in input.
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[22:23] <gordonDrogon> devnull42, hm. mine seems ok, but I rarely shake it about!
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[22:23] <gordonDrogon> devnull42, I did stick that tab to the board with a tiny blob of blu tak though :)
[22:25] <AC`97> ...
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[22:25] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/103853333444314240950/RaspberryPi?authkey=Gv1sRgCLbrpZ7sjI_BVw#
[22:25] <AC`97> my case = perfect fit
[22:25] <AC`97> just added 3 relays yesterday
[22:26] <AC`97> just need to cram a power supply in, and it'll be ready for the motorcycle :D
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> er ...
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> what's it for?
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[22:29] <OpenSys> hello folks
[22:29] <bertrik> hi OpenSys
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> hi
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[22:29] <OpenSys> [ ] gordonDrogon
[22:30] <OpenSys> i have a tested now ic2 LCD
[22:30] <OpenSys> and works
[22:30] <bertrik> reminds me that I should try hooking up a temperature chip and try it with lm-sensors
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[22:31] <OpenSys> seams that 99% of i2c ld's have the controller pcf8574
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[22:31] <OpenSys> bertrik, i have a temp sensor 1 wire from dallas
[22:32] <OpenSys> i use python to send data do lcd, but the loop refresh takes lots of cpu
[22:32] <OpenSys> like 0.80 and more load
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> are you sending data to it constantly?
[22:33] <OpenSys> anyone with other solution ?
[22:33] <Hodapp> I read that as "I use Python to do LSD."
[22:33] * Hodapp should sleep
[22:33] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, right in a while true:
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> you don't need to continually refresh the display..
[22:33] <markllama> hehe
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> you just print to it once and it stays there.
[22:33] <bertrik> maybe a C routine would be faster / waste fewer cpu cycles
[22:33] <Hodapp> OpenSys: First give it some delay, then try it in C?
[22:33] <OpenSys> gordonDrogon, yes i send the char to hide the cursor
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[22:34] <Hodapp> You can even call the C from Python if you still need to do other stuff in Python
[22:34] <bertrik> or do partial updates of the screen, if the display controller allows it
[22:34] <OpenSys> ok i will test it
[22:34] <mranostay> is this the channel with free LSD?
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> same as printing to the terminal/console - you just do it once not in a loop...
[22:35] <Hodapp> mranostay: Yup.
[22:35] <markllama> look at how we spell "pi". What do you think?
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[22:41] <trumee> AC`97: how does that sound card work for you? https://picasaweb.google.com/103853333444314240950/USBAudioAdapter#5716495499137964962
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[22:41] <nummy> if raspberry pi was a famous person, who would she be?
[22:42] * prpplague is not going to answer that one
[22:42] <mranostay> hehe
[22:42] <markllama> the little engine that couldn't really but the teacher gave her a gold star for effort because Everyone Is Special?
[22:43] <nummy> yea
[22:43] <mranostay> why do you assume gender as well?
[22:43] <nummy> good point ... idk
[22:43] <nummy> most cars are named female
[22:43] <mikma> http://www.break.com/index/how-not-to-deploy-a-flash-bang-grenade-2361760
[22:44] <mranostay> who the hell names their car?
[22:44] <prpplague> mranostay: i vote for "Corey Feldman" , hehe
[22:44] <mikma> mranostay: i named my car "piece of shit" ;)
[22:45] <nummy> I'd say mary kate or ashley olsen ... one is version A, the other version B ... and they are both small, cheap, and easy
[22:45] <markllama> now that's not nice.
[22:45] <nummy> its not meant to be nice
[22:45] <mranostay> ok which board has the coke problem again?
[22:45] <Hodapp> Raspberry Pie sounds sort of like a stripper name in Kansas
[22:46] <nummy> yea it does ... or a porn star
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> my cars have had names that reflected the cars... so the current one is smartie pants.
[22:46] <AC`97> trumee: usb audio adapter works good
[22:46] <AC`97> it was originally for my pogoplug
[22:46] <trumee> AC`97: did you try the mic?
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> the last one was goldie (it was gold coloured) prior to that was mable - because the registration was MBL...
[22:47] <AC`97> trumee: yes. a bit noisy.
[22:47] <trumee> AC`97: i have a similar C-media card, not too happy with the mic
[22:47] <AC`97> trumee: also, the left/right channels on the output are swapped :P
[22:47] <trumee> AC`97: i dont use the headphone socket
[22:47] <trumee> AC`97: any other soundcard you have tried with pi
[22:48] <AC`97> nope
[22:48] <AC`97> oh. i tried bluetooth audio
[22:48] <AC`97> (very crashy)
[22:48] <trumee> AC`97: how did you swap the channels on that card then?
[22:48] <AC`97> i used it to drive a pair of large speakers :P
[22:49] <AC`97> = swap wires
[22:49] <AC`97> it get can them acceptably loud without much distortion, amazingly
[22:49] <trumee> AC`97: ah, easy fix. I was wondering about asound.conf fix
[22:49] <AC`97> i believe i tried that too, but it took a bit much cpu % for my taste
[22:49] <AC`97> (on the pogoplug)
[22:50] <trumee> i need somebody to confirm if those usb creative soundblaster have a better line-in
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[22:50] <trumee> seems nobody used them here
[22:50] <AC`97> what are you recording??
[22:50] <trumee> AC`97: FM radio stream
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[22:50] <AC`97> ah i see
[22:51] <AC`97> then mic-input would be very bad :P
[22:51] <trumee> AC`97: and using ices to convert to ogg and streaming it
[22:51] <trumee> AC`97: yeah, it is poor.
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[22:51] <AC`97> have you tried a usb fm receiver dongle? :D
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[22:52] <bertrik> BTW, I just saw rpi-firmware has a new commit "Rebuild with 1-wire support. More efficient PWM audio on GPU"
[22:52] <trumee> AC`97: going to try them in 3 weeks time.
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[22:52] <AC`97> ooh
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[22:52] <trumee> AC`97: when i have access to them. cant find a cheap one on ebay anymore
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[22:54] <nummy> does anybody play magic the gathering?
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[22:56] <nummy> if anyone does, I compiled Cockatrice on my raspi and it runs awesome
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[23:00] * AC`97 is uploading new pictars :D
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[23:04] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WQ2OBpXwZvN10SpHqWezsPDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink with relays.
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[23:06] <thrawed> AC`97: you could probably fit it in a smasller box with one of the microsd adaptors
[23:06] <AC`97> actually, i need that extra room for my power supply XD
[23:06] <AC`97> (which i still haven't received yet)
[23:07] <AC`97> after i'm done, i'll be able to plug in any external power supply, AC or DC 7-30v
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[23:10] <nummy> lol are u running your Pi on a bench supply?
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[23:14] <Matt> a pi supply :)
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[23:16] <nummy> I have one I used a few times, it was nice to be able to read the current being used
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[23:29] <lrvick> So I just threw together a schematic for a dual motor / wiichuck addon board for my pi: http://i.imgur.com/py0yK.png
[23:29] <lrvick> thoughts?
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