#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-09-16

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[0:00] <chithead> "hangs" as in needs a power cycle?
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[0:04] <Mjiig> kuhno: not sure what you mean by the interface being down
[0:04] <kuhno> ifup/ifdown command
[0:04] <Mjiig> chithead: yes, the screen freezes and the only way i've found of recovering is to turn power on/off
[0:04] <chithead> have you tried a different power supply?
[0:05] <steve_rox> finally got quake on the pi but the fps is a bit off
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[0:05] <kuhno> i cant get it running...
[0:05] <kuhno> but i didnt invest much time
[0:06] <Mjiig> chithead: not yet, but it seems like if it was a power problem the ethernet wouldn't be a trigger
[0:06] <Mjiig> kuhno: i didn't know about those commands, i'll see if they make any difference next time i get to play with the pi
[0:07] <kuhno> can you monitor the supply voltage with and without lan cable plugged in?
[0:07] <Mjiig> kuhno: i don't have anything to monitor voltage with
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[1:13] <codepython777> I need a simple box that runs linux and can run python on it for some web access and doing some simple calculations
[1:13] <codepython777> what linux does raspberry pi run well? is there a box i could buy that is more of a plug and play thing?
[1:14] <thrawed> codepython777: raspbian is the current recommended OS
[1:14] <codepython777> runs python?
[1:14] <thrawed> codepython777: which is debian plus some compiler flags to include hardfloat for armv6
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[1:15] <thrawed> codepython777: and yes, I believe it even comes with python
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[1:15] <codepython777> thrawed: thanks. where is the os stored? usb?
[1:15] <chithead> sd card
[1:15] <thrawed> on the sd card
[1:15] <codepython777> cool
[1:16] <thrawed> codepython777: although you could mount usb if you wanted to
[1:16] <codepython777> are there boxes where multiple raspberry pis can sit , and i could assign ips to each one?
[1:16] <prg3> Does anyone know if anyone has built a APC ups monitor on a Raspberry Pi? apcupsd and snmp.. it should be pretty easy, but if someone else has done it, why bother duplicating effort :)
[1:16] <thrawed> codepython777: boxes?
[1:16] <codepython777> physical box -- so that i dont run wires to a board
[1:16] <[SLB]> cases i guess
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[1:17] <codepython777> indeed cases
[1:17] <thrawed> You'll still need to run wires with a case
[1:17] <thrawed> do you mean like a rack?
[1:17] <codepython777> yes
[1:17] <codepython777> pre built cases?
[1:17] <thrawed> codepython777: several
[1:17] <[SLB]> for rack i've only seen lego ones
[1:18] <thrawed> codepython777: some 3d printed, some abs plastic, some laser cut acrylic
[1:18] <thrawed> [SLB]: personally I use a modmypi case
[1:18] <thrawed> oops, I meant codepython777
[1:18] <[SLB]> yups me too
[1:18] <codepython777> I just need it as if i was buying a machine from dell :)
[1:18] <codepython777> just no dell
[1:18] <thrawed> codepython777: the annoying thing about the pi is that the cables come out from all sides
[1:19] <codepython777> I just need to feed it power + ethernet
[1:19] <thrawed> codepython777: so unless you do some soldering, your power cable is coming out from the opposite end as the ethernet/usb
[1:20] <codepython777> just need it in a box -- pre built preferably
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[1:20] <chithead> the new rpi revision can be powered from usb host ports too (but you need to be careful)
[1:21] <atouk> power over etherner
[1:21] <thrawed> codepython777: I don't think anyone sells resells pis with cases
[1:21] <[SLB]> i didn't understand this think of power over usb, how's that done?
[1:21] <[SLB]> *thing
[1:22] <atouk> the +5 is hot on the device side
[1:22] <thrawed> [SLB]: yeah, shouldn't the power be only going one way? There's a reason they don't sell male to male use cables
[1:22] <thrawed> *usb
[1:23] <chithead> it was not possible before due to the usb fuses, but now it is. there is no diode or anything to ensure that current goes only in once direction
[1:23] <[SLB]> yups, unless am thinking, if it's power over ethernet, and then the ethernet is basically a 3rd usb, that may make sense
[1:23] <thrawed> codepython777: http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
[1:23] <thrawed> codepython777: https://www.modmypi.com/shop/raspberry-pi-cases
[1:23] <codepython777> does poe work?
[1:23] <thrawed> codepython777: no
[1:23] <thrawed> codepython777: skpang sell some cases aswell
[1:23] <[SLB]> hm
[1:23] <plugwash> thrawed, they most certainly do sell them
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[1:24] <des2> No poe.
[1:24] <plugwash> and yes the power SHOULD only flow one way, of course SHOULD != does
[1:24] <des2> The connector doesn't support it.
[1:24] <chithead> some hubs feed power back from their usb-b port into the uplink
[1:25] <plugwash> but indeed adding POE to the Pi would require different magnetics on the ethernet port
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[1:25] <plugwash> plus the negotiation and power conversion circuitry
[1:25] <thrawed> plugwash: well yeah, of course you can find them. But they shouldn't really be selling them
[1:26] <thrawed> plugwash: anyone who sells them is bound to get a ton of customer feedback like: my motherboard started smoking after I connected my pc to my laptop to transfer files
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[1:27] <codepython777> how does pi cpu compare with atom cpu?
[1:28] <thrawed> codepython777: 8x slower or something
[1:28] <des2> pi is a pentium 2 at 300 MHz
[1:28] <codepython777> pi is 8x slower?
[1:28] <des2> My ual core 1.66 Atom is about a Pentium 4 at 3.1 GHz
[1:28] <thrawed> codepython777: at similar clock speeds
[1:29] <plugwash> thrawed, well if things start smoking then the cable vendor isn't the only one violating the USB spec
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[1:29] <nsgn> goooodeve
[1:30] <nsgn> so..i wonder how hard it would be to get my pi to control my microwave oven
[1:31] <des2> Does your microwave oven have an Internet connection ?
[1:32] <nsgn> des2, no. that's what the pi would be for, silly
[1:32] <thrawed> nsgn: you'd have to reverse engineer the control system first
[1:32] <des2> Take it apart replace the keypad with PI controlled electronic switches
[1:32] <nsgn> i'm big into home automation and have a large number of devices in the home tied into my system, but kitchen appliances are a thing i've not get got any influence over with my automation system
[1:33] <nsgn> ooh. i didnt think of that. it may actually be easier to run the microwave with a PI than it would be to reverse engineer the original controller
[1:33] <thrawed> nsgn: don't do it dude
[1:33] <AC`97> ...
[1:33] <IT_Sean> Yeah, that sound a bad idea
[1:33] <thrawed> nsgn: the pi will end up burning your house down
[1:33] <AC`97> or microwaving your kittens
[1:34] <IT_Sean> Aye. Not A Good Plan.
[1:34] <thrawed> nsgn: it will "accidently" set your oven to cleaning mode while you're asleep
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[1:35] <IT_Sean> Microwave ovens have lots of safety systems built in. Bypassing those (by controlling the oven w/ a raspi) is a pretty poor idea.
[1:35] <IT_Sean> Remember... Nobody likes roasted nuts.
[1:35] <thrawed> you should always check that cats aren't hiding in your dryer
[1:35] <AC`97> orly
[1:35] <nsgn> IT_Sean, wasn't saying i'm jumping into doing it that way, but were safety aside it would probably be easier than reversing the original board
[1:35] <bircoe> catch cry of satellite technicians!
[1:35] <IT_Sean> Yes, it would be
[1:35] <nsgn> but i'm more interested in a passive type thing
[1:35] <des2> Much better to dry them in the Dryer than the Microwave
[1:35] <IT_Sean> But, working out the conrols shouldn't be too hard
[1:35] <IT_Sean> Usually, the controls are a simple button matrix.
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[1:36] <nsgn> like..being able to have the pi give input as if the keypad was being touched, and being able to read what is going out to the LCD to determine microwave status
[1:36] <thrawed> wait, if your pi is wired up to you controls, does that mean you won't be able to use the normal controls?
[1:36] <nsgn> more difficult potentially, but safer since original microwave safety controls remain in place
[1:36] <IT_Sean> Aye
[1:36] <nsgn> thrawed, no, i desire to retain all original functionality
[1:36] <IT_Sean> And it shoul;dn't be too hard to decode the button matrix, or sniff the display logtic.
[1:37] <nsgn> i have to maintain wife approval factor here :D
[1:37] <thrawed> nsgn: imagine you set your micowave off when the door didn't close properly, bypassing the check, you microwave your house, and turn into the hulk
[1:37] <nsgn> which means just walking up and using the buttons if she wants to
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[1:38] <nsgn> thrawed, yup. thus why i desire to talk to the microwave as if i were pressing buttons, not work with it directly
[1:38] <AC`97> orly
[1:38] <bircoe> nsgn, still a significantly bad idea... don't play around in Microwaves.
[1:38] <thrawed> nsgn: you could always buy your pi it's own equipment
[1:38] <AC`97> my microwave has it's own internet ip
[1:38] <thrawed> nsgn: just don't give it legs
[1:38] <AC`97> i get stats from it via snmp
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[1:38] <AC`97> but can't control it.
[1:38] <IT_Sean> wait...
[1:39] <IT_Sean> you have an snmp equipped nuker?
[1:39] <thrawed> AC`97: 120916:0036 user microwaved a potato
[1:39] <AC`97> ...
[1:39] <nsgn> bircoe, i'm familiar enough with hv electronics not to hurt myself working in the microwave. i understand enough about the mounting and wiring of components not to start a fire. honestly a microwave is pretty simple internally
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[1:39] <AC`97> well, my PDU is snmp-controlled too
[1:39] <thrawed> nsgn: can I have your stuff if you die?
[1:39] <bircoe> fair nuts... go hard at it then...
[1:40] <thrawed> nsgn: you could start a conveyer belt system
[1:40] <thrawed> in goes a kernel, out comes popcorn
[1:41] <AC`97> i put vncserver on my pi. i feel dirty.
[1:41] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120915163607.png
[1:41] <thrawed> AC`97: so you should
[1:42] <AC`97> what temperature should i set my Pifan to turn on at?
[1:42] <AC`97> right now it's set to 42C
[1:42] <AC`97> (and off at 38C)
[1:42] <thrawed> AC`97: 60
[1:43] <AC`97> thrawed: . . .
[1:43] <nsgn> if i'm just using the button matrix and sniffing the display data there isnt really any harm the pi can do to the microwave, as far as issuing it commands, that someone standing in front of it couldnt. all safety systems such as fuses and door sensors and the like would all remain in place unmodified
[1:43] <AC`97> wouldn't my power supply capacitors blow up at that temperature?
[1:43] <thrawed> nsgn: you need to make a warning label
[1:43] <AC`97> warning: may start without warning.
[1:44] <thrawed> warning, may leak microwaves
[1:44] <AC`97> warning: heed warnings
[1:44] <nsgn> thrawed, uh..microwaves do that like mad anyhow :)
[1:45] <AC`97> warning: may leak microwaves if door is open
[1:45] <nsgn> but a warning on an automated device is of course not a bad idea if it involves high power or anything moving
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[1:45] <thrawed> nsgn: cover it in big yellow labels
[1:45] <AC`97> caution: don't look into microwave beam(s)
[1:45] <nsgn> we don't have warnings on our automated blinds and they scare the crap out of us when they start up if we're just sitting quietly
[1:46] <nsgn> they just arent that loud. they just go off without warning when the sun sets (is based on sunset/sunrise times)
[1:46] <plugwash> nsgn, mmm, "Warning: backup generators may start without warning"
[1:46] <thrawed> do think it's covered by home insurance?
[1:48] <nsgn> plugwash, large AC systems will scare the crud out of one too if you're in close quarters with them when they fire off
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[1:48] <IT_Sean> Your microwave oven is probably one of the more dangerous things in your kitchen to automate.
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[1:49] <nsgn> i again ask, if i am purely giving input via the buttons on the front, what harm can be done other than burning food?
[1:49] <AC`97> megatron meltdown from empty microwave ?
[1:49] <AC`97> ^
[1:49] <AC`97> er, magnetron
[1:49] <AC`97> i fail at speeling
[1:49] <nsgn> sorry, forgot to repeat the full question. what harm can be done that someone standing on front of it couldnt do?
[1:50] <IT_Sean> running it empty
[1:50] <nsgn> couldnt be operated door open. could be operated with nothing in it, but my wife has done that out of absent mindedness anyhow
[1:50] <nsgn> she's also microwaved all manner of metal objects unintentionally :/
[1:50] <nsgn> the inside of the old microwave looked quite..unique
[1:51] <AC`97> nsgn: eggs?
[1:51] <IT_Sean> heh... nukin' eggs. SPLAT!
[1:51] <nsgn> but i'm pretty unlikely to desire to start my microwave without anything in it, automated or not
[1:51] <[SLB]> speaking of microwaves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2b42Um42Mk
[1:51] <[SLB]> careful what you do :[
[1:51] <AC`97> ^ lol
[1:52] <nsgn> awh, i was hoping for some cool explosion or something
[1:52] <thrawed> what if you left a small rodent in there
[1:52] <[SLB]> lol
[1:53] <IT_Sean> hey now... no exploding small animals!
[1:54] <thrawed> nsgn: this could happen, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5Zs0a0TOy4
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[1:54] <nsgn> ..
[1:54] <thrawed> nsgn: watch the whole thing
[1:54] <nsgn> is it not the same one as above?
[1:55] <thrawed> oh is it?
[1:55] <des2> yes it is
[1:55] <thrawed> oh wow, I didn't notice, great minds think alike eh?
[1:55] <[SLB]> :D
[1:55] <nsgn> something like that
[1:55] <nsgn> i'm just itching to get the pi into my automation projects
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[1:56] <nsgn> but the majority of the house is already controlled by systems
[1:56] <thrawed> nsgn: ask your wifes permission first
[1:56] <DMackey> everytime I try that she says NO! heh
[1:56] <nsgn> yeah, you don't ask first
[1:56] <nsgn> you just make up later
[1:57] <thrawed> you can't make up a burnt down house
[1:57] <DMackey> just easier to do it and don't let her know what your doing
[1:57] <DMackey> Ahhh NO you cant
[1:57] * IT_Sean thinks you should use the raspi to automate the shower in such a way that it automatically compensates for the temperature difference that occures when someone flushes the toilet.
[1:57] <IT_Sean> :p
[1:57] <nsgn> IT_Sean, my house is plumbed right and i have no such dip in temperature
[1:57] <thrawed> IT_Sean: that actually happens?
[1:57] <nsgn> i've had it in past houses
[1:57] <IT_Sean> I've had it happen.
[1:57] <DMackey> OR something that keeps the water flowing at the SAME RATE at the showerhead.
[1:57] <thrawed> IT_Sean: I thought that only happened in american cartoons
[1:58] <nsgn> we used to call out "flushing!" so the person in the shower could step aside for a second
[1:58] <IT_Sean> nah... it happens in american homes with dodgy plumbing as well.
[1:58] <nsgn> or purposely not call it out :)
[1:58] <thrawed> why is something using the toilet while you're in the shower?! Just lock the door
[1:58] <IT_Sean> thrawed, sometimes the toilet is in a different room to the shower. :p
[1:59] <nsgn> but i have actually thought an automated shower would be pretty cool. right now we have a key we hit on the automation panel to tell the house we're going to shower. it turns off lighting in most of the home, turns on lighting and vent fans in the master bathroom, and sets a motion detector to notice when the shower is done so the house can return to normal evening lighting
[1:59] <thrawed> IT_Sean: how quaint
[1:59] <nsgn> would be nice to add to that the showering turning on to a nice temp
[1:59] <thrawed> nsgn: better yet, cover it in these tiles that change colour depending on the temp
[1:59] <nsgn> thrawed, our house doesn't have the shower in the same little room as the toilet
[1:59] <des2> I just lock the bathroom door while showering.
[2:00] <thrawed> des2: perhaps IT_Sean is an exhibitionist
[2:00] <thrawed> :D
[2:00] <IT_Sean> ...
[2:00] <nsgn> if it's one's own wife it may just not be that big of a deal ;D
[2:01] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120915165612.png ph33r my l33t pi temperatures
[2:01] <thrawed> nsgn: showers should be for drinking beer, not for hearing one's better half taking a dump
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[2:01] <SpeedEvil> I want a proper shower. step in, raise arms, it wets you Dow, sprays you with soap, then power washes it off and blast dries
[2:01] <nsgn> thrawed, either you folks have the world's quietest shower or you take some seriously unhealthily forceful dumps if you can hear them
[2:02] <thrawed> SpeedEvil: dude, you shouldn't be washing your hair with soap
[2:02] <thrawed> nsgn: sometimes it's the smells too
[2:02] <SpeedEvil> thrawed: soap in the generic sense.
[2:02] <thrawed> SpeedEvil: soap for your hands is bad for your hair
[2:02] <IT_Sean> do you want your toilet to wipe your [ ] for you too? :p
[2:02] <nsgn> if you have very little hair on your head it doesn't matter :)
[2:02] <thrawed> IT_Sean: the japanese toilets do
[2:03] <IT_Sean> dammed japanese.
[2:03] <thrawed> IT_Sean: you don't have bidets over there?
[2:03] <nsgn> in the US? nope
[2:03] <IT_Sean> I don't in my home.
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> sometimes bathing is an effort.
[2:03] <nsgn> honestly most people here wouldnt know what one was if they saw one
[2:03] <IT_Sean> I know what one is... I just don'r have one in my home.
[2:03] <thrawed> nsgn: it's a sink to wash your bum with
[2:04] <AC`97> ...
[2:04] <nsgn> i'm familiar with what one is, and IT_Sean probably is too. just observing not many folks here have ever seen one
[2:04] <AC`97> orly
[2:04] <IT_Sean> I have no desite for a bum-sink :p
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[2:04] <IT_Sean> *desire
[2:04] <AC`97> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrS_R1KABf4
[2:04] <thrawed> nsgn: have you ever tried cleaning oil off your hands with just a paper towel and no water?
[2:05] <thrawed> nsgn: Imagine the same thing happens with your ass and toilet paper
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[2:05] <thrawed> nsgn: dry paper does a shit job at cleaning
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[2:05] <IT_Sean> language.
[2:05] <nsgn> i'm not saying they're pointless either. honestly i'm not opposed to the idea. they're just completely undeployed here
[2:05] <thrawed> oh right
[2:06] <thrawed> IT_Sean: But it's a pun!
[2:06] <nsgn> ha
[2:06] <thrawed> nsgn: are you a wet-wipe man?
[2:06] <nsgn> well i see i've done nicely now that i've brought the channel down to poop jokes
[2:06] <thrawed> nsgn: it's the standard for #raspberrypi
[2:06] <nsgn> this all stared from a microwave :D
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[2:07] <AC`97> my temperature graph is growing :]
[2:07] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120915170219.png
[2:07] <thrawed> I would love for an automated toilet
[2:07] <thrawed> it automatically raises the lid based on facial recognition when you enter the room
[2:07] <AC`97> i wonder how i can represent fan on/off
[2:08] <nsgn> thrawed, cause people would be totally down with a camera in the restroom
[2:08] <thrawed> nsgn: pin hole camera
[2:08] <nsgn> not sure about where you are, but here people get arrested for that stuff :D
[2:08] <AC`97> . . .
[2:08] <thrawed> nsgn: they'll never know it's there
[2:08] <AC`97> ^ voyeur
[2:09] <nsgn> and now that we're past poop jokes and into felonies i'm truly done :D
[2:09] <IT_Sean> ... ... ...
[2:09] * IT_Sean decides to break this up before it goes any further.
[2:09] <thrawed> nsgn: it's not like I proposing hiding camera in public toilets
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[2:10] <nsgn> anyhow, pi in automation brings lots of possibilities because of its decent GPIO and very low cost networking options.
[2:11] <thrawed> automated sinks would be lovely
[2:11] <nsgn> now that would be pretty cool, and actually very doable
[2:11] <nsgn> would not actually require network functionality, or even the high processing of the pi
[2:11] <atouk> they have those already. IR triggered
[2:11] <nsgn> that could be done with an arduino teensy or something
[2:11] <thrawed> atouk: expensive though
[2:11] <nsgn> well yes they exist, but expensive
[2:12] <nsgn> a lot of hobby home automation is about building what you could buy for $$$$$ for just $$
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[2:12] <thrawed> nsgn: if you always carry your phone in your pocket you could trigger it via nfc!
[2:12] <nsgn> eh, i dont need sinks coming on when i walk by. IR is fine
[2:12] <nsgn> i just never thought of DIY IR sinks
[2:12] <nsgn> but it'd be very simple
[2:12] <AC`97> waterproofing??
[2:12] <nsgn> but too simple to use a pi, really
[2:13] <thrawed> AC`97: of course the pi would be hidden out of view
[2:13] <nsgn> AC`97, you'd have the IR transmitter/sensor sealed up for quite some distance from the pi
[2:13] <nsgn> and you'd do a drip loop in the cable too
[2:13] <nsgn> so water couldnt leak down to the controller
[2:13] <thrawed> nsgn: you could start a twitter account for the sink, it tweets everytime someone uses it
[2:14] <atouk> strain gauge and accelerometer under the matress, and you can automate your performance rating
[2:14] <nsgn> actually, here's the real network use of an automated sink; using it to track water usage at the sink and such
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[2:14] <AC`97> ...
[2:14] <IT_Sean> that would be awesome, actually
[2:14] <thrawed> AC`97: you sure like your ellipses
[2:14] <nsgn> or wait!
[2:14] <AC`97> ??
[2:14] <thrawed> IT_Sean: a tweeting sink?
[2:14] <nsgn> combine PI automated toilet with PI automated sink and set of an alarm if someone goes to the toilet without washing their hands :D
[2:14] <IT_Sean> thrawed, YES!
[2:14] <AC`97> tweeting toilet sounds more fun
[2:15] <IT_Sean> tweet: Someone just used me to wash their hands. 1.3oz of H20 used!
[2:15] <atouk> tweeting sink would just yell at me to do the dishes. i already have a wife
[2:15] <nsgn> tweet out not to shake so and so's hands for a while..
[2:15] <thrawed> toilet_bot .. someone took a massive poo this morning, 1lb.
[2:15] <nsgn> ahhahaha. put a scale
[2:15] <AC`97> also, timer.
[2:15] <IT_Sean> can we have a tweeting toilet too! Have it tweet "Somebody just flushed me!" every time it flushes. And "Oh dear! A double flush!" if it's flushed twice within, say, 3 minutes.
[2:16] <nsgn> it took them 5 minutes to get the lb out. that is a rate of x lbs per minute :D
[2:16] <AC`97> "_____ lost x lbs at the toilet!)
[2:16] <nsgn> could score them on crapping performance!
[2:16] <thrawed> nsgn: you could have it should out recommendations to include more fibre in your diet
[2:16] <thrawed> *shout
[2:16] <nsgn> HA. hahaa. if the rate was low and the time long, suggest fiber
[2:17] <Tenchworks> wlak into the channel, see pi robot overlord on bowel movements discusion....
[2:17] <AC`97> is anyone's pi temp readings sort of erratic?
[2:17] <Tenchworks> er, what?
[2:18] <thrawed> I reckon if you made it, it would be blogpost worthy
[2:18] <atouk> pi temp?
[2:18] <AC`97> pi temperature.
[2:18] <nsgn> AC`97, silly question, but i'm new to pi. can it read its own temp or do you do it externally?
[2:18] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120915171315.png
[2:18] <AC`97> temperature sensor built into chippy
[2:18] <Tenchworks> recnet firmware update gave it it's own temp reading ability
[2:18] <nsgn> oh cool
[2:18] <nsgn> nice
[2:18] <thrawed> nsgn: there was a firmwware update a while back which including some temp thing, haven't tried it myself though
[2:18] <nsgn> and yes. welcome to the channel :)
[2:18] <AC`97> i have pi-controlled fan.
[2:19] <atouk> what software made that graph?
[2:19] <nsgn> AC`97, fan for cooling the pi's own chip or fan for the room or something?
[2:19] <AC`97> gnuplot. it's my first time using it :D
[2:19] <AC`97> nsgn: look at graph :P
[2:19] <nsgn> clicking
[2:19] <thrawed> AC`97: see if you can get a highscore
[2:19] <nsgn> i'd assume the chip, unless things suddenly got quite warm?
[2:20] <AC`97> lol
[2:20] <AC`97> thrawed: my record was 53C before i decided to open case and slap a fan on
[2:20] <thrawed> AC`97: start up quake, see if you can hit 60
[2:20] <AC`97> i has no quake
[2:20] <thrawed> AC`97: shame on you
[2:21] <AC`97> i already have enough quakes
[2:21] <AC`97> <- california
[2:21] <atouk> actually, i meant the data acquisition. how was it done
[2:21] <thrawed> AC`97: I have never experienced an earthquake
[2:21] <AC`97> atouk: watch -tn 2 /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
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[2:21] <thrawed> AC`97: what do you use for the image?
[2:21] * atouk takes notes
[2:22] <AC`97> thrawed: gnuplot. it's my first time using it.
[2:22] <AC`97> hence the ugly plot
[2:22] <thrawed> AC`97: so you can automatically publish them? cool
[2:23] <AC`97> thrawed: oh. printscreen sort of thing
[2:23] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120915171811.png
[2:23] <thrawed> AC`97: so you couldn't auto export the image to a webserver dir?
[2:23] <AC`97> i probably could
[2:23] <AC`97> ... if i wasn't computer illiterate
[2:24] <thrawed> there's always tutorials
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[2:24] <AC`97> also, ss.edited.us = amazon s3
[2:24] <thrawed> I really hope someone starts a toilet tweeter now
[2:24] <thrawed> AC`97: host it on your pi!
[2:25] <AC`97> still haven't set up nginx yet
[2:25] <AC`97> i killed apache a couple days ago.
[2:25] <thrawed> is nginx better than lighttpd?
[2:25] <AC`97> er, no clue
[2:25] <AC`97> never used lighttpd
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[2:26] <plugwash> iirc at serving static files nginx is the quickest thing arround by a long way
[2:27] <plugwash> but I dunno how it compares for dynamic content
[2:27] <AC`97> hard to abuse the output buffering
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[2:28] <thrawed> plugwash: made any benchmarks?
[2:28] <plugwash> I know someone at the manchester raspberry jam claimed to have benchmarked various webservers on a Pi and said "lighthttpd is fast, nginx is lightning"
[2:29] <plugwash> but I don't have any actual figures to hand
[2:29] <thrawed> hmm, interesting. I'm currently using lighttpd
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[2:30] <thrawed> hi ChanServ
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[2:38] <atouk> advantages of lighttpd over apache?
[2:38] <AC`97> ponies
[2:38] <Tenchworks> SIFTU, you around?
[2:39] <Tenchworks> *are
[2:39] <AC`97> i'm about to turn off my fan. anyone wanna watch my pi's temp?
[2:39] <AC`97> in a graph. in vnc XD
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[2:40] <Dan39> do most USB wifi adapters require powered hub?
[2:40] <AC`97> Dan39: false
[2:40] <AC`97> none of mine did.
[2:40] <Dan39> sweet
[2:41] <Dan39> only other thing ive got hooked up are very basic mouse/keyboard
[2:41] <nsgn> the pi seems to reboot if you plug some of that stuff in while it is running, but i've not had any usb devices i've tried yet give draw issues once running
[2:41] <Dan39> optical mouse tho
[2:41] <nsgn> so just be sure you arent doing anything critical at the point you plug it in
[2:41] <AC`97> echo viewonly | vncviewer rpi.reboxed.net:1 -autopass
[2:41] <AC`97> ^ watch my pi's temps
[2:41] <Dan39> i plan on trying this: http://www.planex.net/product/wireless/gw-usmini2n.htm
[2:41] <chithead> reboot on usb plug event is a sign of poor power supply
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[2:42] <Dan39> its a nice wifi adapter i used a couple times for xlink kai haha
[2:42] <nsgn> chithead, well i'm probably using a poor psu :)
[2:42] <nsgn> just some random USB bricks i found around the house
[2:42] <chithead> try a different one
[2:43] <nsgn> but i've never had any reboot issues while running and i dont really need hotplugging so i've been ok
[2:43] <nsgn> just noticed a time or two it did it to me..then i was done plugging crud in :)
[2:43] <nsgn> not in a situation where i'm plugging/unplugging a flash drive regularly or anything
[2:43] <nsgn> though they're 1a supplies so..they should be ok. who knows
[2:45] <nsgn> audio on HDMI is just straight up SPDIF, right? like, you could just dumb adapt it to a coaxal digital port, right?
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[2:49] <des2> No
[2:49] <des2> It's embedded in the video signal so you can't just use a cable to separate it out
[2:50] <des2> That's why HDMI to SPDIF converters are $80+
[2:50] <nsgn> really? i could have sworn i've seen dumb adapters to pull it out of hdmi. maybe not
[2:50] <des2> Has to be digitally separated.
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[2:50] <nsgn> durn
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[2:51] <nsgn> so truly the only decent audio on a pi that doesn't involve a televison or home theater receiver is through usb
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[2:51] <thrawed> atouk: lighttpd/nginx are asynchronous
[2:52] <AC`97> anyone wanna join in on some vnc? :]
[2:52] <AC`97> you can watch my pi fry
[2:53] <thrawed> atouk: each connection in apache requires a cpu thread, with overhead. And under heavy loads you end up using lots more ram
[2:53] <nsgn> why hurt it? :(
[2:53] <des2> Why would you use apache on a pi ?
[2:53] <AC`97> nsgn: testing upper limit temperature range
[2:53] <des2> Use something small.
[2:54] <AC`97> des2: i use apache on my pogoplug
[2:54] <nsgn> AC`97, attempting to do damage or just get up to where you loose stability?
[2:54] <des2> Why would you use apache on a pogoplug ?
[2:54] <des2> Use something small.
[2:54] <nsgn> i assume you're overclocking it?
[2:54] <AC`97> nsgn: only a very slight overclock. 850MHz
[2:54] <nsgn> would any PI in normal usage need active cooling?
[2:54] <nsgn> not overclocked, that is
[2:55] <thrawed> nsgn: NO
[2:55] <des2> probably not
[2:55] <thrawed> nsgn: never
[2:55] <thrawed> nsgn: not in a million years
[2:55] <Tenchworks> welp, the md 3tb mirror array that my RPi was building/syncing for the past few days just finished, now running a bonnie++ test on it as SIFTU suggested/requested, we'll see what the expected performance is once that finishes
[2:55] <AC`97> nsgn: http://rpi.reboxed.net:5801/
[2:55] <AC`97> password is viewonly
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[2:55] <Dan39> dam i need a usb hub
[2:55] <Dan39> grrrr
[2:55] <Dan39> im leaving on vacation TOMORROW
[2:56] <thrawed> nsgn: all those chumps with heat sinks do it for looks, not cooling
[2:56] <Tenchworks> lol
[2:56] <nsgn> never seen chumps with heatsinks. just curious
[2:56] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: lol I dont expect too much
[2:56] <des2> You haven't seen AC'97's Pi
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[2:56] <Dan39> and this usb hub i got from monoprice is really cool and all... but i dont think its a good choice for raspberry pi since it has an alarm with bright LEDs that are litup by usb power
[2:56] <Tenchworks> yeah I'm not expecting anything amazing but eh, you never know
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[2:57] <des2> Your hub has an alarm ?
[2:57] <Tenchworks> then again if the performance is going to be bad better to know now before I start chugging data into it
[2:57] <Dan39> tho the main clock functions is run from batteries, so i dunno how much power draw the extra lights take
[2:57] <Dan39> yea
[2:57] <thrawed> nsgn: do a google image search for raspberry pi heatsink, there's loads
[2:57] <Dan39> it is pretty awsome
[2:57] <Dan39> it has an alarm clock on it
[2:57] <Dan39> it is actually a nice looking clock too
[2:57] <atouk> vnc running on the pi?
[2:57] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: my backup just finished to a single HDD, I'll run one too
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[2:58] <Tenchworks> i expect taht even though it's a mirror raid and should ahve good/better reads, the usb chip/line will be the limiting factor over everthing
[2:59] <Tenchworks> and that limitation scales with netwrok usage
[2:59] <AC`97> er, did my vncserver just crash
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[2:59] <Dan39> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10307&cs_id=1030702&p_id=6444
[3:00] <Tenchworks> so when I start running torrents on it, or do anything with it nas wise, performance should drop relative to network activity
[3:00] <Dan39> when its plugged in the display lights up and it actually looks a lot nicer than youd expect :P
[3:00] <Tenchworks> or at least that';s waht I expect from my understanding of how things work
[3:00] <Dan39> can i view the power draw of usb?
[3:01] <Dan39> its only LEDs tho so i imagine it doesnt take much
[3:01] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: I started a bonnie++ with -f
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[3:01] <Dan39> http://www.imgur.com/GAoir.jpeg
[3:01] <Dan39> check that out :D
[3:02] <Dan39> dont tell me that isn't awsome
[3:03] <Tenchworks> I just pointed it to a temp dir taht had global write permission using -d
[3:03] <Tenchworks> SIFTU waht does the -f do?
[3:03] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: do -f, the char writing/reading is just a time waster
[3:04] <Tenchworks> how would I kill a bonnie in progress?
[3:04] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: it excluding writing/rewriting and reading on a character basis
[3:04] <SIFTU> killall bonnie++
[3:04] <AC`97> Tenchworks: control+c ?
[3:04] <Tenchworks> ctrl+c failed trying the killall now
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[3:04] <AC`97> control+\ ?
[3:05] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: http://pastie.org/4729500
[3:05] <SIFTU> this says I got 24MB/s write, 11MB/s rewrite and 29MB/s read
[3:05] <Tenchworks> hrmmm, killall not er kill her >.>
[3:05] <AC`97> ^ >:D
[3:06] <SIFTU> it's actually better than I expected
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[3:08] <des2> That's the worst looking '5' I've ever seen.
[3:08] <AC`97> i wussed out again. http://ss.edited.us/120915180349.png
[3:09] <Tenchworks> oh my
[3:09] <Tenchworks> i think I froze her
[3:10] <Tenchworks> when all else fails... pull the plug
[3:10] <AC`97> watchdog?
[3:10] <AC`97> (woof)
[3:10] <des2> Dave, what are you doing Dave ?
[3:11] <Tenchworks> i sudo reboot 'ed her watchdog probably got taken down just before she froze up
[3:11] <AC`97> sysrq + REISUB ??
[3:12] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: how many drives are you running?
[3:12] <Tenchworks> umm...
[3:12] <Tenchworks> have to think >.>
[3:13] <SIFTU> 3.5" or 2.5"
[3:13] <SIFTU> the pi probably isnt the best choice
[3:13] <SIFTU> you would be using a lot of power just on the drives
[3:14] <Tenchworks> that unit has the 2 new 3tb in raid 1 and 2 1TBs all samba shared, they are all desktop drives so 3.5" i presume
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[3:15] <Tenchworks> the 2 3tb's are WD green's
[3:15] <Tenchworks> the other 2 1TB's will be phased out but they are WD black's >.>
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[3:16] <Dan39> hmm whats average mA usage of a mouse?
[3:16] <Dan39> this one says 30mA on it
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[3:17] <Tenchworks> ok she's back up and running, a -f run is now going at it
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[3:21] <Tenchworks> SIFTU and done http://pastie.org/4729553
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[3:24] <Tenchworks> kinda odd the cpu usage is lower than the results in your paste but pretty much looks like the performance to be much poor than your single drive run. I'm guessing this is a result of sending data 2x for the mirror over the usb line, where as if there was no mirror it should see better results
[3:24] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: 12/8/29
[3:25] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: those drives would take quite a few watts on their own
[3:26] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: I have a dual core atom with similar drives for a nas device
[3:26] <Tenchworks> 12/8/29? what is that?
[3:27] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: thats your results 12MB/s write, 8MB/s rewrite and 29MB/s read
[3:27] <Dan39> gotta love it, the shittier keyboard wants hell lot more power
[3:27] <SIFTU> my CPU is higher since I have more throughput
[3:27] <Dan39> this better keyboard i got says 30mA, the shitty monoprice keyboard says 0.5A
[3:27] <Dan39> theres no way its using that much tho lol
[3:27] <AC`97> it's just a rating
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[3:28] <Dan39> yea
[3:28] <Dan39> i need to build a usb-power monitor adapter thing
[3:28] <Dan39> like you plug it in-line and it tells you how much power its using :P
[3:30] <AC`97> Dan39: how much would you pay for one of those?
[3:30] <Tenchworks> well 2 3TB drives on a RPi should be an improvment over my old nas box that had 2 250GB,1 500GB, 2 1TB running on an old p4 >.>
[3:30] <AC`97> >:D
[3:30] <Dan39> AC`97: why is that?
[3:30] <Dan39> a few dollars i guess
[3:30] <AC`97> i can build some pretty quickly
[3:31] <Dan39> where do you live?
[3:31] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: my nas -> http://pastie.org/4729601
[3:31] <Dagger2> you can also buy them on ebay
[3:31] <AC`97> california
[3:31] <Dan39> lol no go then
[3:31] <AC`97> (:
[3:31] <Tenchworks> taht old thing quietly went out on the last storm in my area, blew a few caps and sent a short through the whole box
[3:32] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: 122MB/s write, 89MB/s rewrite and 311MB/s read
[3:32] <SIFTU> ish
[3:32] <Tenchworks> welp a true nas tehre
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[3:32] <SIFTU> not really
[3:33] <Tenchworks> much better than the pi
[3:33] <SIFTU> they are all green drives, and it's a low powered dual core atom
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[3:33] <SIFTU> oh yeah, the pi isnt meant to do things like that
[3:33] <AC`97> pogoplug (:
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[3:34] <hadifarnoud> how can I find out my cpu/gpu ram split?
[3:34] <AC`97> md5sum /boot/*.elf
[3:34] <Dagger2> http://cgi.ebay.com/290754313719 ok, that took forever to find, but here you go
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[3:34] <SIFTU> or just look at you memory, free -m
[3:34] <Tenchworks> pi is me being lazy and cheap to do a proper setup and my elec is included in my rent so I technically never pay for it even with all the boxes I used to have running (been cleaning up)
[3:34] <AC`97> Dagger2: $$$
[3:34] <AC`97> Dagger2: also, that's not for usb
[3:35] <Dagger2> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/290754313719 here it is in ?????? if that's any better
[3:35] <AC`97> ohwait, hmm
[3:35] <AC`97> ok, it is definitely not for usb
[3:36] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: always good to play with it at least
[3:36] <Dagger2> on what basis? can't really see the port on the end, but it does look like USB to me
[3:36] <nsgn> i wonder what the average monthly cost savings of running a PI in place of a normal PC would be
[3:36] <AC`97> Dagger2: i believe they're only using usb connectors.
[3:36] <AC`97> plug it into a computer, and you don't know what will happen...
[3:36] <SIFTU> nsgn: a lot
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[3:37] <SIFTU> nsgn: depends on the PC, and where you live, but in california about $30-$40 a month
[3:37] <Dagger2> it looks like it would just pass through the USB connection while measuring the voltage/current
[3:37] <AC`97> SIFTU: orly?
[3:37] <Dagger2> ... or at least that's what I would want it to do, and it's designed in such a way that it's possible for it to do that
[3:37] <nsgn> hmm. i'm presently running an atom that pulls like...30 or 40w 24/7 running a heads up display in my office
[3:38] <AC`97> Dagger2: Operating Voltage: 6 ~ 24V DC
[3:38] <nsgn> what w does the pi pull from the wall?
[3:38] <Dagger2> AC`97: yeah, there is that. it also says "Micro SATA Cables" though
[3:38] <AC`97> nsgn: probably around 3-4 watts, including heat from conversion
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[3:38] <SIFTU> well my PC uses about 100W at idle, the pi was using 2-3W
[3:39] <AC`97> Dagger2: also, that screen looks like LCD instead of LED
[3:39] <Dagger2> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/221092452212 claims to cover 5v
[3:39] <nsgn> hmm. so i could actually pay for a pi or two by replacing this thing and running it for a year :D
[3:39] <Dagger2> and those look like basically the same device
[3:39] <SIFTU> nsgn: if it does what you want it to
[3:39] <nsgn> my heads up displays run portrait, though. how hard is it to wrangle the pi to run in portrait rather than landscape
[3:39] <nsgn> not for the console, just for x
[3:40] <nsgn> i hardly use linux for windowed operation
[3:40] <AC`97> Dagger2: oh. perhaps it can work then.. but i still think the display looks LCDish
[3:40] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120915183525.png <- doesn't look like LED. LOL
[3:40] <SIFTU> nsgn: about this hard -> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/906920/screenshots/screenshot-20120915183758.jpeg
[3:41] <nsgn> well hot dang. thanks
[3:41] <AC`97> ^ so huge
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[3:41] <nsgn> i'm going to try right now. too bad there are two of these screens in my office. right now the single atom drives both..but i guess ittl be two pis for me
[3:43] <Tenchworks> i think my old p4 based nas using around 150-200 watts just for the cpu alone, dropping that and all those drives down to the pi and 2 WD green drives should be a significant drop
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[3:43] <nsgn> yup. but you'll also drop throughput, i'd think
[3:43] <Tenchworks> oh yeah
[3:43] <AC`97> a whole lot of throughput
[3:43] <nsgn> i'd love to kill my 300w server..but it's a raid 10 with gigE interfaces
[3:43] <nsgn> speed wins, sadly
[3:44] <nsgn> but for light home storage needs the pi could probably do some cool, very power saving stuff
[3:44] <AC`97> pogoplug with usb raid10? XD
[3:44] <AC`97> (it'll so totally crawl)
[3:44] <nsgn> ha
[3:44] <Tenchworks> but if I can still play movies straight fromt eh nas drive while having torrents and my dedicated irc running on teh RPi then I'll be more than happy with it
[3:45] <Tenchworks> a low-power nas
[3:45] <AC`97> Tenchworks: pogoplug.
[3:45] <AC`97> cheaper, more powerful
[3:45] <Tenchworks> if I need something more powerful then I'll step up to a atom box
[3:45] <nsgn> if one didnt have super high storage needs couldn't you just put a massive friggin card in the pi and do it all onboard?
[3:45] <AC`97> & gigabit ethernet
[3:45] <nsgn> it'd be lower power not to have to spin a hdd, which if i remember correctly draws 5 to 10 w constantly?
[3:46] <Tenchworks> spinning the drives would be an issue but
[3:46] <nsgn> what is the biggest SDHC card?
[3:46] <AC`97> how about XDHC
[3:46] <tripgod> boo yaa
[3:46] <Tenchworks> wiht proper setings you can control the sleep tiems for the drive so it';s not running all the time
[3:46] <AC`97> erm, i messed up
[3:46] <AC`97> SDHCX*
[3:47] <AC`97> er, SDHX*
[3:47] <tripgod> SDXC
[3:47] <AC`97> yeah that
[3:47] * AC`97 fails many times
[3:47] <tripgod> I think they can get up to 128MB
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[3:47] <AC`97> ^ lol
[3:48] <tripgod> 128 GB
[3:48] <AC`97> you fail too? :D
[3:48] <tripgod> I can make mistakes too
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[3:48] <AC`97> i don't think i've ever had a 128MB card
[3:48] <AC`97> i have a 16MB and 32MB here though
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[3:48] <tripgod> you mean GB?
[3:48] <AC`97> MB.
[3:49] <tripgod> what does a 16MB card look like?
[3:49] <AC`97> like every other card, i guess
[3:49] <tripgod> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ZF9ZP766L.jpg
[3:50] <AC`97> yeah, sorta like that
[3:50] <AC`97> except mine came with my $400 camera. eww
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[3:50] <AC`97> so it says "canon"
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[3:51] <SIFTU> nsgn: well you can get 2TB 2.5" drives now which can run off usb power
[3:51] <SIFTU> not much draw there
[3:52] <atouk> what's the draw on a ssd?
[3:52] <AC`97> those are still probably close to 5 watts
[3:52] <Tenchworks> if I'm home active and awake for ~6 hours a day (weekdays) and I use the nas during that time, the rest of the time is wasted if I don't have torrents running, if the drives are idle for, say, ~20 mins, then have then spindown all the way and sleep so the drives are active only for ~6 and half hours during the week
[3:52] <Tenchworks> juggling channels and chat
[3:52] <Tenchworks> pasted that in anotehr channel aand took me a couples mins to realize it wasn't the right channel
[3:53] <Tenchworks> er, typed
[3:53] <AC`97> lol
[3:53] <AC`97> and repasted here.
[3:53] * atouk hands AC`97 a coffee, and gives him a wake up slap
[3:53] <Tenchworks> typed pasted... my mind is just screwing up all over the place today
[3:54] * AC`97 passes on coffee and slaps to Tenchworks
[3:54] <AC`97> >:D
[3:54] <AC`97> sleep time for me. doog thgin !
[3:55] <atouk> oops, need another coffe myself, i guess
[3:55] <SIFTU> atouk: the current SSD's draw about the same as a 2.5" HDD
[3:56] <atouk> is that steady? or just on activity
[3:56] <SIFTU> atouk: I havent measured to be honest
[3:56] <Tenchworks> heh i wonder how long my ups would last if I just had the pi nas and the lappy on it
[3:56] <Tenchworks> and the lappy doesn't even need to be on it >.>
[3:57] <SIFTU> Tenchworks: I have devices like the pi and pogoplugs wake up the more power hungry device when needed
[3:57] <Tenchworks> taht sounds useful and efficint
[3:57] <SIFTU> then those devices shut themselves down when idle for 15 mins
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[4:14] <piRocketman> Anybody got an idea why my Quake 3 install crashes my Pi a couple seconds after starting a timedemo?
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[4:16] <piRocketman> Tried different power adapters but nothing seems to work.
[4:22] <DMackey> I am using a 12 volt 1.25 amp Wallwart to a car USB adapter into my Pi, Working PERFECT so far.
[4:23] <DMackey> Gotta love the Wallwart Junk box collection.
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[4:24] <steve_rox> they sell junk actually labled junk now?
[4:27] <steve_rox> quake 3 runs on pi too?
[4:28] <piRocketman> Yeah
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[4:29] <steve_rox> i tryed ver2 not long ago
[4:29] <steve_rox> fps is not 100% stable
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[4:30] <steve_rox> still at least i manged to get dgen running better
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[4:33] <steve_rox> now i just need to find something to install on pi that would have usefull purpose
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[4:36] <des2> Why ?
[4:38] <SpeedEvil> quasselcore
[4:38] <piRocketman> I would love to use the Pi as an inexpensive desktop for the developing world, but the minimal ram and lack of an accelerated X server really hurts it for that use case.
[4:39] <AC`97> desktops don't have to be graphical
[4:39] <AC`97> also, thin client.
[4:40] <des2> They can buy one of the $65 allwinner touchscreens.
[4:40] <piRocketman> I guess there is a 512 MB pop ram module available, but the foundation folks refuse to make one as it would raise the price and not meet their vision of what the Pi is about
[4:41] <AC`97> oooh, good idea
[4:42] <AC`97> i should try replacing the ram with a 512MB chip
[4:42] <AC`97> though i'm not sure if ram size is hardcoded in the firmware
[4:42] <AC`97> and i need a smaller torch.
[4:43] <Dagger2> note that the RAM is DDR2. if you could get 512 MB RAM modules for the Pi, then you could use them to make 8 GB sticks of DDR2 RAM
[4:43] <Dagger2> 8 GB sticks of DDR2 RAM do exist, but they cost ??300
[4:43] <piRocketman> I thought the pop modules were extremely hard to rework
[4:43] <AC`97> ??
[4:43] <AC`97> piRocketman: torch.
[4:44] <SpeedEvil> they are
[4:44] <piRocketman> The SOC chip they use is limited to 512 MB of ram
[4:44] <Tenchworks> ok quasselcore seems rather cool/interesting
[4:44] <SpeedEvil> pop ram is essentially unpurhasable
[4:44] <piRocketman> there aren't address lines for more
[4:45] <plugwash> I'm sure gert said it could theoretically do 1GB
[4:45] <piRocketman> But they could build a Pi with 512MB. It would cost about $50 total right now.
[4:45] <plugwash> but only if it was 1GB on a single die which is pratically made of unobtainium at the moment
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[4:48] <SpeedEvil> I find it fun that the nexus 7 is potentially easily upgradeable to 2g
[4:48] <SpeedEvil> as not pop ram
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[4:52] <plugwash> well for sufficiently difficult values of easy
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[4:52] <plugwash> you still have to find suitable ram chips, perform the actual replacement of BGA parts and then convince the software stack to actually see the extra ram
[4:53] <plugwash> sure it's probablly easier than a PoP device but still far from trivial
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[4:55] <SpeedEvil> oh, sure.
[4:56] <SpeedEvil> same with swapping the 16g, for a64g emmc, or fitting a camera to the blank connector
[4:58] * plugwash is hoping we will see IMX6 or similar boards with 2GB of ram at a reasonable price in the not too distant future
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[4:59] <piRocketman> I am watching the Cubieboard with interest
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[4:59] <piRocketman> A10 proc at 1GHZ with 1 GB ram for $50
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[5:01] <plugwash> mmm
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[5:02] <des2> The cubieboard looks good, $54 delivered to the US
[5:02] <des2> The guy who made it is an Allwinner employee.
[5:03] <des2> ($54 for thr 512M version)
[5:03] <bircoe> yeah but still very little info on it...
[5:03] <bircoe> no OS images to download etc
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[5:03] <plugwash> also IIRC the allwinder a10/a13 top out at 1GB
[5:03] <plugwash> so there is no hope of versions with more memory
[5:04] <bircoe> how much memory do you need in an embedded device?
[5:04] <des2> Well he just sold about 40 of the prototypes.
[5:04] <des2> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/cubieboard-prototype-512M-2012-8-8-revision/633682724.html
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[5:05] <aarossig> Hi all, I am attempting to follow this tutorial in C rather than asm: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/ok01.html
[5:05] <plugwash> bircoe, well the problem we have is that debian packages were designed to be built natively and while there is some support for cross-building it's really not something you can rely on for a distribution
[5:06] <aarossig> my C file is very simple: http://gtabfans.com/~andrew/upload/OKLed/source/main.c and my list: http://gtabfans.com/~andrew/upload/OKLed/kernel.list
[5:06] <plugwash> and 1GB of ram isn't really enough :( some packages spend days in swap
[5:06] <aarossig> but unfortunetely the OK LED does not engage, I have been trying to solve this for a couple hours ago and I can't decide why this isn't working
[5:06] <des2> That won't work assrossig
[5:07] <des2> First you haven't assigned storage to the pointed to value
[5:08] <des2> 0x20200004
[5:08] <des2> where is that address ?
[5:08] <aarossig> str reg,[dest,#val] I am attempting to recreate this simple instruction
[5:08] <aarossig> the 0x20200004 would be the dest
[5:09] <aarossig> recreate is not the correct word...
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[5:10] <des2> ok I see now.
[5:10] <des2> But you are missing the steps from the tutorial that actually enables the output
[5:10] <aarossig> des2: thank-you for your patience, I am quite new to this -- I come from uC land where everything is 8 bit and simple
[5:10] <aarossig> that is the point of *p
[5:10] <des2> So you loaded the address into p
[5:11] <aarossig> and then on the following line I am attempting to write to that memory location
[5:11] <aarossig> 1 << 18 which means to set that line as an output
[5:12] <aarossig> the kernel.list is interesting as well, it appears to be doing what I would expect to do in asm (as per the tutorial)
[5:12] <bircoe> plugwalsh couldn't you compile for ARM in QEMU?
[5:14] <des2> aarossig I don't believe you can write directorly to a memory location like that.
[5:15] <aarossig> I'm trying to avoid doing this: https://github.com/dwelch67/raspberrypi/blob/master/bootloader05/start.s
[5:15] <aarossig> see PUT32 and GET32
[5:15] <des2> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/ladder-game/software/
[5:17] <des2> That was written by Gordon Drogen who hangs out here often
[5:17] <aarossig> des2: it looks very good
[5:17] <des2> I consider him to be an expert on the Pi interfacing
[5:17] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: mooo
[5:18] <aarossig> the GPIO is just a starting point, eventually I would also like to "peek and poke" data into the video ram as well
[5:18] <des2> see that's the point
[5:18] <des2> You need a function like 'peek' and 'poke'
[5:18] <aarossig> yeah
[5:18] <des2> Otherwise the OS will remap your direct memory references
[5:18] <aarossig> this is bare metal
[5:19] <aarossig> that's where the fun begins :)
[5:19] <aarossig> Yeah, if I was running linux and running this code -- I would be insane
[5:21] <des2> What are you running ?
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[5:21] <aarossig> the rpi is just running my kernel.img which contains simply that main.c file
[5:22] <des2> oh.
[5:22] <aarossig> main.c compiled of course..
[5:22] <des2> I didn't realize.
[5:22] <aarossig> yeah, it's a little different of a scenario
[5:22] <des2> Yeah.
[5:22] <des2> heh
[5:22] <aarossig> heh indeed.
[5:22] <aarossig> I might be insane
[5:23] <aarossig> i believe it is linked correctly, from what i can tell in the kernel.list file
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[5:25] <aarossig> I want to try to build up a nice set of simple drivers for the hardware in baremetal (however simple they might be) to better understand the architecture
[5:25] <aarossig> possibly create a few demos along the way
[5:25] <des2> That would be cool.
[5:25] <SpeedEvil> unfortunately, the pi documentation is terrimle.
[5:26] <des2> But I wonder how difficult that is because of all the secret hardware stuff
[5:26] <aarossig> yeah.. well luckily I can learn a lot from reading header files
[5:26] <aarossig> des2: yes, that's definitely an obstacle
[5:26] <SpeedEvil> you basically need to reverse from the Linux drivers
[5:26] <aarossig> but I believe I can access non-hardware accelerated video functions (aka a framebuffer)
[5:26] <aarossig> audio is a DIO lin
[5:26] <aarossig> line*
[5:27] <aarossig> SpeedEvil: did you see my link earlier? I have some sample code that should engage the OK button but it is unfortunately not working
[5:27] <aarossig> I am at a loss as to why
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[5:33] <SpeedEvil> sorry, no.
[5:34] <SpeedEvil> assuming you mean led
[5:34] <SpeedEvil> you've considered just putting your code in very early kernel?
[5:35] <aarossig> right, OK LED -- my mistake. Early kernel?
[5:36] <SpeedEvil> I mean replace 'decompressing kernel' with 'hello world'
[5:36] <aarossig> oh, I see -- interesting
[5:37] <aarossig> that could work, but I am trying to keep this low tech if possible
[5:37] <aarossig> last I checked.. my kernel.img was <100bytes
[5:37] <aarossig> kind of funny
[5:37] <SpeedEvil> it's lots less painful to do this on an avr.
[5:37] <aarossig> SpeedEvil: INDEED. ;)
[5:38] <aarossig> SpeedEvil: that is the platform on which I am most comfortable
[5:38] <SpeedEvil> I wish there were better docs on stuff,
[5:38] <aarossig> well.. it is difficult for such a huge chip to write easy documentation
[5:38] <SpeedEvil> I want schematic and processor docs for the nexus 7
[5:38] <SpeedEvil> no, it's not
[5:38] <SpeedEvil> the docs are written
[5:39] <aarossig> yeah, that's what I mean by easy though
[5:39] <aarossig> tutorial-ey
[5:39] <SpeedEvil> oh
[5:39] <aarossig> i mean.. sure, broadcom has the datasheet for their peripherals available
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[5:40] <SpeedEvil> I have a 2500 page data sheet for the chip in myhone
[5:40] <aarossig> but unless you're a hardware engineer who handles this stuff daily and most vendors are similar to deal with.. it will be difficult to understand
[5:40] <SpeedEvil> phone
[5:40] <aarossig> SpeedEvil: that's decent
[5:40] <aarossig> I have an old HTC touch that I would *love* to get bare metal running on some day
[5:40] <aarossig> by old.. I mean it is my current phone that runs Android
[5:41] <SpeedEvil> reading datashrrts is a skill
[5:41] <SpeedEvil> sheets
[5:41] <aarossig> I'll never upgrade
[5:41] <aarossig> I should rephrase...
[5:42] <aarossig> I don't want bare metal, but something less than Android for having fun with the hardware
[5:42] <SpeedEvil> well, you can do kernel level stuff
[5:43] <aarossig> SpeedEvil: that's true, I suppose I should put the time into playing with that hardware someday
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[5:57] <des2> Have you considered one of the tinly linuxes.
[5:57] <des2> You can start with arch and work your way down
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[5:58] <AC`97> yay, new personal record
[5:59] <AC`97> 16 seconds from power on to bootup w/ wifi
[5:59] <AC`97> 9 seconds w/o wifi
[5:59] <des2> 9 seconds is pretty good
[6:00] <AC`97> 19 seconds for shutdown D:<
[6:00] <AC`97> ewwwww
[6:00] <des2> lol
[6:01] <AC`97> i think i need to change the whole shutdown system to a script that shuts down important daemons and just leaves the rest to rot
[6:01] <des2> the unplug shutdown is pretty fast
[6:02] <AC`97> lol
[6:02] <AC`97> i'll need data integrity :P
[6:02] <AC`97> it's going into my motorcycle
[6:02] <AC`97> ... right after i add a suitable fan
[6:03] <aarossig> AC`97: sounds like a nice project
[6:03] <AC`97> indeed (:
[6:03] <aarossig> AC`97: I once put a router in my car that sync'd music with my home server to a USB hard drive
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[6:03] <aarossig> problem was power consumption and the lack of sleep to conserve power
[6:03] <aarossig> kudos to the quick boot/shutdown
[6:03] <AC`97> :)
[6:04] <AC`97> have you seen my pi?
[6:04] <AC`97> it has suicide relay (om nom nom)
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[6:04] <aarossig> ah yes, decent
[6:04] <aarossig> I have not seen it
[6:04] <aarossig> but I believe I considered a suicide relay for my project as well
[6:04] <AC`97> http://goo.gl/JdDt1
[6:04] <aarossig> once it's off.. it's off
[6:05] <aarossig> that's pretty cool looking
[6:05] <aarossig> nice work on the heat sink
[6:05] <AC`97> not too nice if you look closely in person :P
[6:05] <AC`97> i did it by hand
[6:06] <AC`97> so.. one relay for motorcycle ignition (provides power & gpio signal to rpi), one [suicide relay] for rpi to supply power to self, and one for a fan (if i decide that i want it to be switched)
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[6:23] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CugfNNxmhhbXvjUjyDJ6mvDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink wheeeeee
[6:25] <AC`97> also, i only get to play with my RPi a couple times a day. my desktop battery is dying, and charger only outputs 300mA O.o
[6:25] <AC`97> s/times/hours/
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[6:26] <des2> What's the usb device plugged in on the right side ?
[6:26] <AC`97> flash drive :P
[6:26] <AC`97> it was a 2GB i picked up on the street mannnny years ago
[6:26] <AC`97> it had been run over by lots of cars
[6:26] <AC`97> casing was all cracked.
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[6:46] <nsgn> is there any SIP softphone compiled for the pi yet?
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[7:07] <Syliss> i have so many usb drives thanks to pepsi
[7:09] <Syliss> i sold and gave a way most of them. since they are all 2gb
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[7:12] <bircoe> Results of Raspberry Pi power testing: http://bircoe.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/blog-post.html
[7:13] <AC`97> lolanalog
[7:13] <bircoe> it was spare :P
[7:14] <AC`97> and voltage sag XD
[7:14] <Dan39> wow voltage really drops
[7:14] <bircoe> voltage sag is a stupid term :P
[7:14] <AC`97> saggy saggy
[7:15] <AC`97> i adjusted my power supply for 4.99v at full load
[7:15] <bircoe> and what does it do unloaded?
[7:16] <AC`97> 5.21v :|
[7:16] <AC`97> not too good, but still within spec
[7:16] <bircoe> that's fine
[7:16] <bircoe> 210mV is just fine...
[7:16] <AC`97> i bet the 5v 50A power supply in my basement won't have any voltage drop >:D
[7:16] <bircoe> even half a volt would be fine
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[7:18] <bircoe> I'm going to do more testing with some spare supplies...
[7:18] <bircoe> I've got a absolute ton of 5v supplies
[7:18] <AC`97> my pibox can accept a big range of inputs :]
[7:18] <bircoe> but rather tan testing on a Pi I'll be using the Variable Power Load I built.
[7:18] <AC`97> i want to try 36v AC
[7:20] <AC`97> i believe my power supply is more efficient with higher input voltages
[7:20] <bircoe> switch modes generally are
[7:21] <AC`97> does that mean i should put in 100v capacitors and run it at 90v? XD
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[7:21] * AC`97 is electronics illiterate
[7:21] <bircoe> go nuts :P
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[7:22] <axion> nice, i got 2 hard drives, thumb drive, and wifi connected on the inside of my pibox...2 gamepads, hdmi, eth, and 12v 4a supply outside. stable at 1ghz :)
[7:26] <AC`97> overvolt ??
[7:26] <AC`97> and what 12v -> 5v power supply do you use ??
[7:26] <axion> yes but and too much actually. was stable at 900mhz without, but i bumped it up to 6 immediately without trying anything lower
[7:27] <axion> i use one that came with a 13 port usb hub
[7:27] <AC`97> ooh
[7:27] <axion> its very nice hub for the pi...no issues...
[7:28] <axion> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817364025
[7:28] <axion> pretty tiny too
[7:29] <AC`97> $$$
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[7:29] <SIFTU> yeah expensive
[7:29] <axion> worth every penny...did the research
[7:29] <AC`97> i prefer my $4 ebay hub. used.
[7:29] <SIFTU> +1 AC`97
[7:29] <AC`97> and.. added my own "power supply"
[7:29] <bircoe> tight arse
[7:29] <axion> went through 2 cheapos trying to get my config working
[7:29] <AC`97> (= frankinhub)
[7:30] <axion> one hub to rule them all
[7:31] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120915222549.png my hub :P
[7:31] <SIFTU> mine is in here https://dl.dropbox.com/u/906920/images/picase.jpg
[7:31] <axion> was working with a cpu fan spliced with an old usb wire too....but i decided i like it quiet with a couple vents instead
[7:31] <AC`97> also, screenshot fail
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[7:32] <AC`97> SIFTU: whooooa, nice pic. it makes your RPis look tiny
[7:32] <SchrodingersRat> hi everyone!
[7:32] <Syliss> it does
[7:32] <SchrodingersRat> just got my raspberry pi set up with raspbmc 8) soo nice!
[7:32] <SIFTU> AC`97: lol, yeah my $4 USB hub is in the case
[7:32] <bircoe> your work bench is much cleaner than mine!
[7:33] <Syliss> i don't have a work bench...
[7:33] <AC`97> work floor? XD
[7:33] <SIFTU> no it's my bench
[7:33] <SchrodingersRat> work... area.
[7:33] <SIFTU> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/906920/images/cc.jpg
[7:33] <SchrodingersRat> kinda like... trash can? nah... trash ZONE
[7:33] <AC`97> weeeeee..chat
[7:33] <bircoe> ok the wooden platform that you are working on is tidier than mine...
[7:34] <SIFTU> it goes through various states
[7:34] <bircoe> CCNA book....soem light reading
[7:34] <SchrodingersRat> tidier than me too...
[7:34] <SIFTU> bircoe: lol, yeah I did that 6 years ago
[7:34] <bircoe> one of the guys at work was going to loan me his, i told him to stick it!
[7:35] <SchrodingersRat> so has anyone started compiling a list of compatible/verified touchscreens and whatnot?
[7:35] <bircoe> that's a solid bench
[7:35] <SchrodingersRat> I think we should probably do that...
[7:35] <SchrodingersRat> given all the forum posts and such
[7:35] <bircoe> you mean liek the 7" USB touch screens?
[7:35] <SchrodingersRat> I guess any kind of touch screen
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[7:36] <SchrodingersRat> I imagine the USB ones are much more expensive?
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[7:37] <SchrodingersRat> I grabbed myself a cheap lil 3.5 inch LCD from amazon for like... 16 bucks
[7:37] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LILLIPUT-8-LCD-UM-80-C-T-USB-Powered-Touch-Screen-Video-Monitor-Device-250cd-/130764699836?pt=AU_comp_monitor&hash=item1e722ef8bc#ht_4532wt_1143
[7:37] <bircoe> tempting
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[7:38] <SchrodingersRat> considering doing the touchscreen thing though
[7:38] <JonnyRo> Whats the best place to order a raspberrypi from if you are in the US?
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[7:38] <SchrodingersRat> australian dollars XD
[7:39] <AC`97> JonnyRo: ebay.
[7:39] <SchrodingersRat> JonnyRo, I got mine from newark.com
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[7:40] <SchrodingersRat> I see touchscreens like this
[7:40] <SchrodingersRat> but... I'm skeptical
[7:40] <SchrodingersRat> http://iteadstudio.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=57_58&products_id=541
[7:40] <AC`97> JonnyRo: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RASPBERRY-PI-MODEL-B-BOARD-ONLY-COMPUTER-83T1943-/380471025862
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[7:41] <JonnyRo> thanks
[7:42] <JonnyRo> SchrodingersRat, thats a pretty low price, i'd be skeptical too
[7:42] <SchrodingersRat> well I'm more skeptical about the compatibility with the pi
[7:42] <bircoe> They are intedned to be used with mcu's
[7:42] <SchrodingersRat> I've seen small touchscreens around that price
[7:43] <SchrodingersRat> I just haven't experimented with any.
[7:43] <SchrodingersRat> mcu's?
[7:43] <Dan39> jeez should voltage drop down to 4.45 volts be ok... :|
[7:43] <bircoe> Given that has a 40pin interface and the Pi only has a small amoutn of GPIO's you'd have difficulty
[7:43] <JonnyRo> bircoe, how does it work? It has a graphics toolkit for loading images and drawing primitives?
[7:43] <bircoe> you'd need soem form of controller board for it that broke out to HDMI/DVI
[7:44] <bircoe> http://iteadstudio.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=231
[7:44] <bircoe> more accurate representation of how you use it
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[7:44] <SchrodingersRat> ahhhh
[7:44] <Dan39> cant i just get a lil capacitor to add... would that help hold it up at 5v?
[7:45] <bircoe> for why?
[7:45] <bircoe> capacitors aren't intended to mask a poor power supply
[7:45] <Dan39> so it wont help? lol
[7:45] <SchrodingersRat> see I'm moderately experienced with circuits and stuff but I have little experience with building these types of things -- trying to learn more though
[7:46] <bircoe> in the very short term it may help... think minutes or seconds
[7:46] <bircoe> SchrodingersRat, mcu = microcontroller
[7:46] <bircoe> things like the Atmel's or Pic's etc
[7:46] <Dan39> well im using a usb wall supply with 2A port
[7:46] <bircoe> devices that you program for a speciffic task
[7:46] <SchrodingersRat> ah, I see.
[7:47] <bircoe> Dan39, what problem are you trying to overcome?
[7:47] <Dan39> i tried to go with a good supply
[7:47] <Dan39> bircoe: no problem, yet
[7:47] <bircoe> why are we having this conversation then?
[7:47] <Dan39> electronics running under the spec voltage dont fry instantly, do they? lol
[7:48] <SchrodingersRat> well dan, you need one of two things
[7:48] <SchrodingersRat> more current or less resistance XD
[7:48] <SchrodingersRat> ohms law!
[7:48] <SchrodingersRat> :D
[7:48] <Dan39> >_<
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[7:48] <bircoe> heres some testing I did Dan39:
[7:48] <bircoe> http://bircoe.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/blog-post.html
[7:49] <Dan39> thats exaclty what im reading bircoe that may me start this convo
[7:49] <Dan39> since 4.45 seems pretty low
[7:49] <bircoe> the issue you have is the onboard regulator, it's a 3.3v reg and you generally need 1.1v above the regulated voltage to keep it happy
[7:49] <AC`97> i'm electronics illiterate
[7:49] <bircoe> so in theory it should be happy to 4.4 or below
[7:49] <SchrodingersRat> did I say less resistance? :|
[7:49] <SchrodingersRat> oops
[7:49] <Dan39> your everything illeterate AC`97 pfft
[7:49] <AC`97> orly? :|
[7:49] <Dan39> really.
[7:50] <AC`97> how sad
[7:50] <Dan39> i know ohms law at least
[7:50] <SchrodingersRat> V=IR :D
[7:50] <Dan39> E=IR
[7:50] <Dan39> <_<
[7:50] <SchrodingersRat> no
[7:50] <SchrodingersRat> V
[7:50] <SchrodingersRat> !
[7:50] <Dan39> E
[7:50] <Dan39> !
[7:50] <AC`97> lol
[7:50] <AC`97> E=MC^2 ?
[7:50] <SchrodingersRat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm's_law
[7:50] <SchrodingersRat> V.
[7:50] <SchrodingersRat> actually no
[7:50] <SchrodingersRat> E=MC^2 isn't the full eqn
[7:51] <AC`97> ...
[7:51] <bircoe> that's mass?energy equivalence
[7:51] <Dan39> lol
[7:51] <bircoe> :P
[7:51] <Dan39> i learned it with E actually
[7:52] <SchrodingersRat> mmmhm
[7:52] <Dan39> since that was in an electrical tech class, like for electricians
[7:52] <Dan39> electronics use V
[7:52] <SchrodingersRat> but
[7:52] <SchrodingersRat> E=MC^2 doesn't account for momentum ^_^
[7:53] <AC`97> the momentum of your ass when i kick it? XD
[7:53] <Dan39> whatever
[7:53] <SchrodingersRat> so, you know, only useful sometimes
[7:53] * AC`97 hides
[7:54] <SchrodingersRat> E^2 = m^2 c^4 + p^2 c^2
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[7:54] <AC`97> wtf is THAT
[7:54] <SchrodingersRat> ^_^
[7:54] <Dan39> The symbols "E" and "V" are interchangeable for the most part, although some texts reserve "E" to represent voltage across a source (such as a battery or generator) and "V" to represent voltage across anything else.
[7:54] <AC`97> why don't we just keep with the simple "what goes up must come down" ??
[7:54] <wissen> hey guys, I need some help with my openelec setup
[7:54] <tripgod> I learned voltage as E
[7:55] <Dan39> ahaa!!
[7:55] <Dan39> another!
[7:55] <Dan39> E wins it
[7:55] <SchrodingersRat> physicists prefer V
[7:55] <AC`97> that's so backwards :P
[7:55] <AC`97> i learned V
[7:55] <AC`97> ...that is, if i had learned it at all
[7:55] * AC`97 is physics illiterate
[7:55] <Dan39> well i was aware of both but we always used E and i just got use to it since we did a hell lot of ohms law in that class
[7:56] <SchrodingersRat> man I was playing black mesa earlier... the physics gibberish they say in that game is hilarious
[7:56] <Dan39> its pretty much all we did as far as actual calculations
[7:56] <SchrodingersRat> "The anti-mass spectrometer is ready."
[7:56] <SchrodingersRat> XD
[7:57] <wissen> I already placed the config file properly (from a pc, at system partition and from ssh, to the /flash folder), but everytime I write use cat /proc/cpuinfo it shows 700mhz only, my config file is set to 850. What worries me is that I bought the licenses and my raspberry won't use because it is ignoring the config.txt file
[7:57] <Dan39> bircoe: is that your only blog post haha
[7:57] <Dan39> lamer
[7:57] <bircoe> you mean 700 bogomips?
[7:57] <AC`97> bozomips?
[7:58] <bircoe> so far :P I ONLY STARTED YESTERDAY...
[7:58] <bircoe> stupid caps
[7:58] <wissen> sorry?
[7:58] <bircoe> wissen, cpuinfo on Raspberry Pi doesn't show the CPU speed in MHz
[7:59] <bircoe> it shows a value in Bogomips which is the number of calculations per second the CPU can do
[7:59] <wissen> well, when I use it on my raspbmc setup it shows 850
[7:59] <wissen> when I use it on my openelec it shows 700
[7:59] <wissen> same config file
[7:59] <bircoe> paste the output of cpuinfo
[8:00] <wissen> root /flash # cat /proc/cpuinfo Processor : ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l) BogoMIPS : 697.95 Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java tls CPU implementer : 0x41 CPU architecture: 7 CPU variant : 0x0 CPU part : 0xb76 CPU revision : 7 Hardware : BCM2708 Revision : 0002
[8:00] <wissen> bogomips
[8:00] <wissen> sry
[8:00] <wissen> xD
[8:00] <bircoe> :)
[8:00] <wissen> but with my raspbmc it shows 850 with the same config file
[8:00] <wissen> I assumed it was the same as mhz
[8:00] <bircoe> Bogomips roughly equates to MHz in the Pi's case...
[8:01] <wissen> I see
[8:01] <wissen> and here is my /flash folder
[8:01] <wissen> root /flash # ls -R .: README.md boot cmdline.txt kernel.img openelec.ico SYSTEM bootcode.bin config.txt loader.bin start.elf ./boot: config.txt
[8:02] <wissen> as you can see I tried placind the config file in both, the flash folder directly and in a boot folder inside the system partition from pc
[8:02] <wissen> wich equates to a boot folder inside the flash folder
[8:02] <bircoe> for OpenELEC that structure is wrong
[8:02] <bircoe> there should be 2 partitions
[8:02] <bircoe> SYSTEM and STORAGE
[8:02] <wissen> I tried with the config.txt diretly inside the flash folder too
[8:02] <bircoe> kernel and firmware in SYSTEM
[8:03] <wissen> and the flash folder translates to the system partition, doesn't it?
[8:03] <bircoe> not exactly sure
[8:04] * bircoe goes to get OpenELEC SD Card
[8:04] <wissen> It's what I have read from at many topics at openelec forums
[8:04] <SchrodingersRat> so... the idea of creating a touchscreen universal remote for the house is really growing on me
[8:04] <wissen> and this is the output of mount:
[8:04] <SchrodingersRat> just gotta find the right touchscreen I guess
[8:04] <wissen> root /flash # mount rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) none on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,relatime,size=59972k,nr_inodes=14993,mode=755) none on /proc type proc (rw,relatime) none on /sys type sysfs (rw,relatime) /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /flash type vfat (ro,noatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=ascii,shortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro) /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /storage type ext4 (rw,noatime,barrier=1,data=ordered) /dev/loop0 on / t
[8:05] <wissen> we can see /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /flash
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[8:07] <SchrodingersRat> anyone have any recommendations for touchscreens though?
[8:08] <bircoe> System/
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? bootcode.bin
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? build.31082012.r11850
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? cmdline.txt
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? cmdline.txt~
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? config.txt
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? kernel.img
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? loader.bin
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? start.elf
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? SYSTEM
[8:08] <bircoe> Storage_
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? lost+found
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? music
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? pictures
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? screenshots
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? tvshows
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? videos
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? xbmc_videodb_2012-09-03
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? actors
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? movies
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? musicvideos
[8:08] <SchrodingersRat> I'm looking for something that I could easily design a case around though
[8:08] <bircoe> ????????? tvshows
[8:08] <Dyskette> bircoe: this is surely the sort of thing that could go in a pastebin or on one line at least?
[8:09] <bircoe> that was an accident
[8:09] <wissen> I have config.txt placed in system partition
[8:09] <wissen> could this be a problem with the r11930
[8:09] <wissen> ?
[8:10] <bircoe> not sure
[8:10] <wissen> do you know of any way to rollback?
[8:10] <wissen> does oc works with your build?
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[8:10] <bircoe> OC works with mine...
[8:11] <bircoe> compiling now
[8:12] <bircoe> ooo interesting looking patch
[8:12] <wissen> what?
[8:12] <bircoe> packages/graphics/bcm2835-driver/meta
[8:12] <bircoe> ... => linux-3.2.28-601-RPi_support-e33263e.patch}
[8:13] <bircoe> Dyskette, did you really have nothing to offer to the conversation other than chastise me about pasting something in the channel???
[8:13] <bircoe> Thanks for the input...
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[8:14] <Dyskette> bircoe: I was reading the scrollback - still am - and it was very frustrating
[8:14] <bircoe> sorry to have inconvenienced you... I'll try harder not to anoy you next time.
[8:14] <wissen> lol
[8:14] <Dyskette> Also, what AM I supposed to reply to two dozen lines of a directory structure?
[8:15] <bircoe> one part of the conversation...
[8:15] <bircoe> that's why it's called a conversation
[8:15] <bircoe> theres multiple parts
[8:15] <Dyskette> bircoe: and why I was trying to read the scrollback
[8:15] <SchrodingersRat> settle down now.
[8:16] <Dyskette> bircoe: it doesn't really matter how germane it was, pastebits that long generally shouldn't go straight in the channel.
[8:16] <bircoe> like I said... accident...
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[8:16] <AC`97> only a middle-click away
[8:16] <Dyskette> bircoe: and i dropped it once you said that - you were the one that brought it up again :)
[8:17] <bircoe> I was curious why you only had input on a few lines of unimportant text
[8:17] <Dyskette> Well now you know.
[8:18] <JonnyRo> i'm trying to fit an LCD into an old TI-86 case. It does not need to be touch screen and the display, with backing board, will need to fit in a 5cm x 7.5cm area. I am not too concerned about height because i'm only using the front part of the case. It also does not need to be touchscreen. I have some embedded linux experience but very little LCD driving experience.
[8:18] <JonnyRo> Any suggestions for areas of research?
[8:19] <wissen> he was trying to help me with the config.txt of my openelec
[8:19] <AC`97> does it need to be touchscreen
[8:19] <JonnyRo> nope
[8:19] <AC`97> did you need to state it twice??
[8:19] <JonnyRo> i'm building a new back for a ti-86, with a custom firmware
[8:19] * AC`97 snickers
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[8:20] <bircoe> what kind of LCD... text or graphic?
[8:20] <AC`97> graphic, of course. and color, i suppose
[8:21] <bircoe> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8335
[8:21] <JonnyRo> graphic and color
[8:21] <AC`97> looks kinda big.
[8:21] <bircoe> :)
[8:22] <JonnyRo> bircoe, how can I drive this with the pi?
[8:22] <AC`97> 24 bit :|
[8:22] <bircoe> You'd need an interface board of soem sort
[8:22] <JonnyRo> lvds to hdmi
[8:22] <bircoe> no chance with GPIO
[8:22] <JonnyRo> what was the 3 letter achronym for the serial display interface on the pi?
[8:22] <JonnyRo> DDI or something
[8:22] <AC`97> DSI ??
[8:22] <JonnyRo> DSI, yea
[8:22] * AC`97 is pi-illiterate
[8:23] <AC`97> nintendo DSi!
[8:23] <AC`97> oh wow, that lcd display is complex.
[8:24] <AC`97> you have to drive each color separately
[8:24] <AC`97> 8 lines for each color
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[8:25] <AC`97> sooooo anyways, i created a windtunnel for my RPi :]
[8:25] <AC`97> trying to see how low i can get my temps to
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[8:25] <AC`97> i ran out of liquid nitrogen :|
[8:29] <JonnyRo> doesnt look like there are shipping products using DSI with the raspberry pi
[8:29] <JonnyRo> :(
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[8:29] <AC`97> that's because it hasn't been made yet ?
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[8:38] <Viperisthebest> How do I view a folder on my raspberry pi that I have shared on windows?
[8:39] <AC`97> Viperisthebest: mount it first.
[8:39] <Viperisthebest> I don't know how to do that
[8:39] <AC`97> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-mount-cifs-windows-share/
[8:39] <AC`97> also, i sleep now. good night!
[8:42] <Maqs> does anybody here know the place in an elf file where it says whether it's armel or armhf?
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[8:44] <Maqs> i mean.. wouldn't armel libs that do not import or export any symbols with floating point parameters just work with armhf? :-)
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[9:47] <des2> For those awake and curious, the cubieboard schematic is now available: http://dl.cubieboard.org/hardware/cubieboard_schematic_2012-08-08.pdf
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[10:40] <johang> cubieboard indeed looks interesting.
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[11:08] <gordonDrogon> morning!
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[11:11] <bircoe> gordo!
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[11:22] <trijntje> My external HD with it's own power supply keeps disconnecting from my Pi ~once a day. Could this be due to power leakage from the HD to the RPi?
[11:27] <bircoe> power leakage?
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[11:29] <trijntje> thats what someone said here yesterday
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[11:30] <bircoe> what kind o fhard drive? 3.5" with external supply or 2.5" USB powered?
[11:34] <bircoe> never mind I'll assume 3.5"
[11:37] <trijntje> it has an external power supply, whats the 2.5" or 3.5" distinction?
[11:38] <bircoe> size of the drive...
[11:38] <bircoe> does it fit in your pocket?
[11:41] <trijntje> no
[11:41] <bircoe> then it's not 2.5"
[11:41] <trijntje> It looks like this: http://paperpk.com/shop/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/235691.jpg
[11:41] <bircoe> have you checked dmesg to see why it's disconnecting?
[11:42] <trijntje> [49892.705595] usb 1-1.3: USB disconnect, device number 4
[11:43] <trijntje> http://pastebin.com/KxJNsgX9
[11:44] <bircoe> can you paste more... like at least 10 or so lines before the disconnect
[11:47] <trijntje> http://pastebin.com/9ngU8jin
[11:48] <trijntje> the whole thing looks filled up with eth0 errors
[11:48] <bircoe> looks to be USB related issues... the Pi's ethernet chip is on the USB bus.
[11:49] <bircoe> have you updated the firmware lately?
[11:50] <trijntje> but there's a lot of time between the eth0 errors and the usb disconnect right?
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[11:50] <trijntje> do I need to update the firmware with raspi-config?
[11:51] <chithead> when the drive is connected to another computer, do the disconnects happen once a day too?
[11:52] <trijntje> no, the drive works fine on another pc, SMART status is also good
[11:53] <chithead> smart is only for the drive itself, it seems that the usb->sata converter doesn't work properly on the pi
[11:53] <chithead> you left it connected more than one day to another pc and no disconnects happened?
[11:56] <trijntje> Maybe not a full day, but I did leave it on overnight for backups, which went fine
[11:59] <trijntje> I'll try keeping it connected for more than a day to another pc. Is there something else I can try to figure out what's going wrong?
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[12:14] <jui-feng> yay, services are back
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[12:17] <rsevs3> what up peeps :)
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> so what's happening today. I've just pushed out some minor updates to wiringPi, built a couple of my ladder PCBs and it's almost sunny here.
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[12:22] <spycrab0> which charing cable do you use for the pi?
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[12:33] <gordonDrogon> charging? just ordinary usb to microusb cables. never really through about it.
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[12:37] <[SLB]> got a problem, the pi gets its lan ip but can't ping outside the lan. /etc/network/interfaces is as it has always been. how to debug it?
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[12:39] <chithead> can you ping your router's wan addresS?
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> default route?
[12:39] <[SLB]> oh wait, maybe resolv.conf died
[12:40] <[SLB]> i can ping the public ip, the gw is set
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> you should learn the difference between a dns failure and a routing failure...
[12:40] <chithead> resolv.conf will only affect hostnames
[12:40] <[SLB]> let me check resolv.conf
[12:40] <[SLB]> yes, it can ping the ip
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> so if ping works, and ping google.com fails, then it's DNS.
[12:40] <[SLB]> i know
[12:40] <gordonDrogon> usually your router ought to give out details of nameservers with the IP address.
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> but the dhcp listener on the Pi can be configured to ignore that...
[12:41] <[SLB]> indeed it's resolv.conf that for some reason changed
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> but sometimes some consumer-grade routers are just bad at DNS ..
[12:41] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:41] <[SLB]> thanks :)
[12:42] <[SLB]> but i wonder how it could have changed
[12:42] <[SLB]> hm
[12:42] <chithead> resolv.conf will be overwritten occasionally, don't put anything there that should be permanent
[12:42] <[SLB]> i have this ip in it, ameserver it's not even my subnet
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> a bit bizarre.
[12:43] <[SLB]> hmm maybe it was the tethering test i did yesterday :s
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> a-ha... what subnet does your phone use for it's tethering LAN?
[12:43] <[SLB]> i've set it as a lan machine, same settings my desktop and the pi have
[12:44] <[SLB]> crazy phone ehe
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[13:05] <irgendwer4711> hi, have anyone more information to the KALLSYMS_EXTRA_PASS=1 problem while building a new kernel?
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[13:10] <jui-feng> irgendwer4711, https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/commit/adae199d13754b7c0e61c14eac2a92a3a3f6afc1 -- look at the comments below the diffs, popcornmix says he commited a fix for that KALLSYMS_EXTRA_PASS thing
[13:11] <jui-feng> 5 days ago
[13:11] <irgendwer4711> okay, I will take a look
[13:11] <jui-feng> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/commit/87d5bc10fb0876be295314213ef4478a94c0e7bb <-- this commit
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[13:12] <streetuff> nice bought a 2nd rpi. this time a rev. 2 - made in the uk
[13:13] <Iota> All hail Brittania!
[13:13] <mehido> What do you plan to do with your second?
[13:13] <streetuff> i want it for controlling my bitcoin fpga's
[13:14] <streetuff> and maybe i strip down everything from my 1st and try to build it inside the lapdock
[13:14] <irgendwer4711> jui-feng: for which source code is this patch
[13:14] <jui-feng> irgendwer4711, the kernel source
[13:14] <irgendwer4711> jui-feng: hm yes, which ^^
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[13:15] <jui-feng> the raspi kernel, as released by the foundation :)
[13:16] <jui-feng> I guess if you have the same problem with a different kernel, you could still use the same patch (maybe with different line numbers)
[13:16] <irgendwer4711> I use raspbian
[13:17] <mehido> Haha. Sorry, I'm a bit of a novice. The bitcoin thing I get, but lapdock?
[13:17] <streetuff> mehido: http://www.daupara.de/rpi-lapdock.jpg
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[13:17] <bircoe> lapdock = netbook style dock for Motorla Atrix
[13:17] <streetuff> mehido: its screen (hdmi) + keyboard (usb) + power for the pi
[13:17] <jui-feng> irgendwer4711, raspbian uses the same kernel
[13:17] <irgendwer4711> ok
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[13:18] <mehido> Nice.
[13:18] <streetuff> mehido: would just be nice to desolder all the connectors and try to fit the pi inside the lapdock
[13:18] <streetuff> mehido: check http://rpidock.blogspot.de/
[13:18] <jui-feng> irgendwer4711, which kernel were you trying to compile (and then failed because of the KALLSYMS error)?
[13:18] <streetuff> mehido: thats not my blog though. but it inspired me
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[13:19] <mehido> streetuff: Watching the video now.
[13:19] <streetuff> djazz: domo arigato. mr. roboto!
[13:19] <irgendwer4711> 3.2.27
[13:20] <djazz> streetuff: hm?
[13:20] <streetuff> djazz: just hi!
[13:20] <streetuff> :D
[13:20] <djazz> hi
[13:20] <jui-feng> irgendwer4711, you can probably just edit arch/arm/kernel/vmlinux.lds.S and add #ifdef CONFIG_SMP above and #endif below the call to PERCPU_SECTION(32) to make it work. I hope :)
[13:21] <irgendwer4711> jui-feng: yws
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[13:24] <mehido> streetuff: Looks good. Might have to look at that myself... it seems simple enough that I could solder it all together.
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[13:24] <streetuff> mehido: yeah. its easy
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[13:24] <streetuff> mehido: i got my lapdock for 77 euro in germany
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[13:26] <streetuff> that reminds me... maybe i could get network to my 1977 6502 SYM-1 learning system with the pi
[13:26] <streetuff> http://www.daupara.de/SYM-1/sym-1_6.jpg
[13:26] <streetuff> pic 1-6 actually
[13:26] <streetuff> http://www.daupara.de/SYM-1/sym-1_7.jpg
[13:26] <streetuff> there. multiple choices :)
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[13:28] <bampersand> Hey guys
[13:29] <bampersand> I've got a few raspberry pi's and for a project i'm wanting to show the output from my PS2 to each room (each tv has a rpi), I was going to use a PS2 capture card (just analog->usb it seems) and was wondering if the rpi would be suitable to record the data, or whether I should use a main computer and only use the rpi's for outputting?
[13:31] <bircoe> theres not really enough processing power... or RAM
[13:31] <bircoe> capturing analog video requires a decently powerful system
[13:31] <bircoe> ora device with an appropriate hardware encoding chip
[13:31] <bampersand> okay I'll use my main system, would they be suitable for outputting it to the TVs though?
[13:31] <bircoe> as long as you can stream it onto your network
[13:32] <bampersand> Yeah I'll have to get that figured out, I should be able to do that though.
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[13:32] <streetuff> if you could transcode to h264 you could playback with omxplayer
[13:33] <streetuff> but there will be a quite a lag between ps2 and decoded video
[13:33] <bampersand> because of the pi or because it's over the network?
[13:33] <bampersand> or, uh, both.
[13:33] <joushou> Hmm??? I'm playing around with SPI, and it works fine, but??? Does anyone know a reason for the pi to spit out a buttload of null-bytes in between messages?
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[13:33] <bircoe> for one there will be latency while the software on yoru PC encodes the video
[13:33] <streetuff> bampersand: transcoding and buffering
[13:33] <bircoe> there will be streaming and buffering
[13:34] <bircoe> and finally your Pi decoding the stream
[13:34] <bampersand> so what can I do to speed up the process?
[13:34] <bircoe> use hardware that was designed for the job :)
[13:34] <streetuff> use a videosplitter and get a lot of wires to your rooms :)
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[13:34] <bircoe> or wireless video transmitters
[13:34] <bampersand> that's a possibility
[13:34] <joushou> (I got a LeafLabs Maple connected as slave, sending a text string every half second as test, but when reading spidev0.0, I get an insane amount of null-bytes in between the strings. Anyone who knows why that would happen?)
[13:35] <bampersand> you see though, eventually i'd want to do it for more than just the rpi
[13:35] <bampersand> uh, PS2
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[13:35] <bampersand> not all at once, but I couldn't buy the transmitters for every console and tv
[13:35] <bampersand> sure I could swap them around, but ideally i'd like to not have to change anything
[13:35] <irgendwer4711> jui-feng: new kernel is building..
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> wow. a Sym-1
[13:36] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: :D
[13:36] <bircoe> give it a go... but I reckon your going to have latency in excess of 2 seconds
[13:36] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: in mint condition!
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> streetuff, yea, not bad at all.
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> does it boot?
[13:36] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: i once interfaced it with my scope for a 1 line x 13 chars output
[13:36] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: yeah. works perfect
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> joushou, SPI is send one, get one. You wil lget one byte in for every byte you send out.
[13:37] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: i still code a lot of 6502 -> c64 demos
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> streetuff, I have one of these: http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg
[13:37] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: like that f.ex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpaVIo6zM9o&feature=related
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[13:38] <joushou> gordonDrogon: So when I read() from it, it will send null-bytes by itself? :/
[13:38] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: sweet!
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> joushou, you can't read until you write.
[13:38] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: i like that the sym-1 is kim-1 compatible
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> streetuff, I used the AIM-65's for a project once. I think that's what they were. I did do a lot with the 6502 way back including designing my own boards & IO boards...
[13:39] <joushou> gordonDrogon: Odd, 'cause the strings show up in the storm of null-bytes when I only read(), and I also only write on the Maple...
[13:39] <bampersand> So guys, what exactly should I be looking for in a capture card? I mean there's cheap video/audio->usb, there's ePCI slots, etc.
[13:39] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: cool!
[13:40] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: i'm just a c64 nerd that still codes demos on it (and vic20)
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> joushou, possibly the kernel driver gives you bytes anyway?
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> streetuff, never into the c64 - apple II & BBC Micros here.
[13:40] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: was coding cracktros back in the day
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> joushou, also - I've only used the synchnous access via ioctl, not read/write...
[13:41] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: you know the c64 in a joystick from jeri ellsworth?
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[13:41] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: we coded some demos on it -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjAZtoeU8Zo
[13:42] <irgendwer4711> is there anywhere a .config with all minimum necessary drivers?
[13:42] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: its a asic emulating the c64. and has much more to offer. like 2mb flash, 2mb ram, 256 linear color modes, dma, blitter, faster opcode execution, etc...
[13:43] <joushou> gordonDrogon: Right. Transfer would block, as it sends a byte for each it requests. If both ends use transfer, you need to adhere to that procedure??? But seeing that I didn't want the sender to block (I have no way to predict when it needs to work, so a blocking transfer might cause it to miss an opportunity to process it's inputs)??? Oh well, I'll try and see if I get fewer nulls with a transfer...
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> irgendwer4711, I have a mininal setup...
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> irgendwer4711, try http://unicorn.drogon.net/config.pi.3.2.23
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> streetuff, sound intersting, but I never really got into the c64...
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[13:45] <gordonDrogon> joushou, SPI will never block on transmits - but may block on recieves.
[13:45] <irgendwer4711> gordonDrogon: hm ok, but its a newer kernel
[13:45] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: just watch the video ;)
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> irgendwer4711, should still work.
[13:45] <irgendwer4711> gordonDrogon: I do a diff and look :-)
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> irgendwer4711, the linux make menuconfig will update it as needed.
[13:46] <irgendwer4711> gordonDrogon: I think posix mqueue is not necessary
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> irgendwer4711, then don't include it.
[13:46] <irgendwer4711> sure ;-)
[13:46] <gordonDrogon> joushou, what are you interfacing to?
[13:47] <irgendwer4711> I will publish my config later
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[13:47] <joushou> A leaf labs maple I'm using to decipher some annoying serial busses
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> streetuff, the demo is very good - for a 1MHz 8-bit CPU :)
[13:47] <gordonDrogon> joushou, not familiar with it...
[13:48] <streetuff> gordonDrogon: thanks :)
[13:48] <gordonDrogon> joushou, but in-general to ge ta byte back over SPI, you need to send a byte out - as the master control the clock. There is no handshake.
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[13:50] <joushou> gordonDrogon: It's an ARM processor. I'm using it's hardware spi, but I suspected that using transfer() (which result in the 1 in 1 out behaviour), I would risk blocking the maple (both would block), whereas if I just wrote, it would be dumped to the buffer, and I would be able to continue execution, not giving a damn about whether the receiving end received it yet or not
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> joushou, really - there is no handshake with SPI - when you send bytes, they get sent there and then. A slave SPI device can not stop a master sending data. It's either ready or it's not and if it's not, then the data is lost.
[13:51] <gordonDrogon> joushou, the master controls the clock and data is sent with the clock. the slave has to use the clock to clock-in the data.
[13:52] <irgendwer4711> jui-feng: great, it works, thx
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> joushou, so you can't just read() for data on the master - unless the slave sent the data the last time the master send data to it and it's buffered on the master.
[13:52] <jui-feng> irgendwer4711, nice! and np
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> joushou, the Pi doesn't have a slave-mode driver that I'm aware of.
[13:53] <joushou> gordonDrogon: The issue being, the master never sends data. It's a one way thing atm. SPI was just the easiest to wire up...
[13:53] <joushou> (I appreciate the help, btw)
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> joushou, Hm. if the master never sends then it can never get data from the slave..
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[13:54] <gordonDrogon> joushou, because the master controls the clock and data is only sent on the clock.
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> joushou, I put some stuff here - https://projects.drogon.net/understanding-spi-on-the-raspberry-pi/
[13:56] <joushou> gordonDrogon: Thanks. For some reason, it must be enabling the clock, allowing the maple to send the string anyway. Maybe it's just sending nulls every time I read a byte? That would also explain to some degree why I keep getting nulls in between the strings...
[13:57] <joushou> What a mess I've created. Hahah
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[13:59] <irgendwer4711> does it be useful to clock down the gpu to save power an reduce heat?
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> joushou, that's a possibility!
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[14:00] <gordonDrogon> irgendwer4711, what heat?
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[14:01] <gordonDrogon> joushou, I might do some tests later on - I basically stuck to the ioctl() method for all the stuff I'm doing. although you could always check the kernel sources :)
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> joushou, or re-wire to use the serial port :)
[14:02] <spycrab0> how does java perform on the pi ?
[14:02] <irgendwer4711> gordonDrogon: ok the chip doesnt get hot, but warm
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[14:03] <joushou> True. Right now, I'm just trying to throw together the simplest of interfaces. Using basic file operations allowed me to read it from Python without throwing together something that handled SPI_IOC_MESSAGE. Alternatively, I could use C, but the rest of the Pi's tasks were in python already...
[14:03] <joushou> And yes, the UART interface is a bit simpler to use, but then I lose my serial console. :<
[14:03] <joushou> (Options make life so much more complicated! ;) )
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[14:09] <joushou> gordonDrogon: Interesting, every time I open() the file, I get a new transmission. I can then read() it (without writing), and when done, go to the next with open()
[14:09] <joushou> peculiar behaviour.
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> weird..
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[14:10] <joushou> I think I may officially have broken SPI.
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[14:11] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if read() outputs N null bytes then - e.g. you issue a read for 10 bytes, and it has to issue 10 bytes worth of clocks.
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> so while not actually sending, 80 clock pulses still have to go out.
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> so if the slave has data pending, it won't actually get clocked out until it sees the chip-select and the clock pulses. then it'll send the data out.
[14:13] <gordonDrogon> so something on the slave will need to wait for the data register to be empty then load the next byte into it (or maybe it has a fifo or dma on an interrupt)
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[14:14] <gordonDrogon> so a matster can never stall on a write, but a slave can.
[14:14] <joushou> Yes
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> and technically a master can never stall on a read either.
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> although if there is no data to be sent, it's going to read random - probably zero.
[14:16] <joushou> It would make the most sense to transmit nulls
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[14:17] <joushou> (Even though - transmitting on SPI requires you to follow the clock line, so iirc, you need to do something actively on your transmit line to send a null, as opposed to just running the clock with transmit low, not caring about what is being sent)
[14:17] <joushou> (Is following the clock null, or opposing it null? Or well, can't remember, and doesn't really matter)
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> the hardware will just clock out whatever is in the output register - so probably repeating the last thing you loaded into it.
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[14:19] <gordonDrogon> unless it shifts out data and shifts in zeros - in which case the 2nd byte onwards will always be zero.
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> it's probably no important if you're just expecting to read data though - the key would be to make sure enough clock pulses get sent and that the slave is ready to send data at that point.
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[15:21] <aarossig> morning all
[15:22] <aarossig> I was in here last night trying to debug a problem I am having and I have not resolved it yet.
[15:22] <aarossig> I am attempting to run bare metal code on the rpi as per this tutorial: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/ok01.html but I am attempting to use C instead of asm
[15:23] <aarossig> very simple C file: http://gtabfans.com/~andrew/upload/OKLed/source/main.c and it's kernel.list http://gtabfans.com/~andrew/upload/OKLed/kernel.list
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[15:24] <scummos> and the problem is...?
[15:24] <aarossig> this should engage the OK LED but unfortunately it is not. the pointers that I have there are supposed to simulate something like this https://github.com/dwelch67/raspberrypi/blob/master/bootloader05/start.s
[15:25] <aarossig> I want to avoid writing the GET32 and PUT32 methods in asm as per that start.s file that I just linked
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[15:27] <scummos> i think those instructions will write into the application's virtual memory, won't they
[15:27] <scummos> that virtual memory is not mapped to the registers you're trying to access
[15:27] <aarossig> well, this is bare metal. there is no linux kernel running
[15:27] <scummos> oh ok
[15:27] <scummos> then not.
[15:27] <aarossig> I would expect it to work.. and if I compare the kernel.list to the tutorial I originally linked, they are similar (albeit unoptimized)
[15:28] <scummos> I don't know
[15:28] <scummos> :)
[15:28] <aarossig> well, thanks for the interest
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[15:46] <Fleck> GPIO pins are + right?
[15:48] <scummos> if you configure them as output and set them to 1, I think so, yeah
[15:49] <Fleck> ok
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[15:53] <kgbplus> hello! where can i download quake3 for rpi? http://radium.hexxeh.net/quake3.zip not available...
[15:54] <[SLB]> here maybe? http://sheasilverman.com/rpi/raspbian/Quake3-raspbian.zip
[15:54] <netman87> i have also some package saved in harddist
[15:54] <netman87> disk
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[15:54] <netman87> i may upload it somewhere if wanted
[15:55] <Fleck> can i use gpio10 ar PWM output?
[15:55] <kgbplus> thanks! i will try this link now
[15:55] <Fleck> *as
[15:56] <Fleck> looks like not...
[15:57] <Fleck> where do i get list/info wich pins i can use as PWM?
[15:57] <tehtrb> kgbplus: u run raspbian ? there's a .deb somewhere
[15:57] <[SLB]> Fleck, only 1 is actually pwm, for the others you have to use the software pwm from gordon's wiringpi
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[16:00] <Fleck> from wiki: All the GPIO pins can be reconfigured to provide alternate functions, SPI, PWM...
[16:00] <kgbplus> tehtrb: yes, raspbian
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[16:00] <netman87> http://netman87.kapsi.fi/RaspberryPiQuake3.tgz <- here quake3 too (tested with RPi debian, not created by myself)
[16:00] <kgbplus> Fleck: "But while the Pi does have native HW support for PWM, there is only one PWM channel available to users at GPIO18"
[16:00] <netman87> well it seems like ill need 40min to upload it
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[16:01] <kgbplus> Fleck: check this - http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-16-channel-servo-driver-with-raspberry-pi
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[16:02] <kgbplus> netman87: thanks, i got it!
[16:02] <spycrab0> im going to buy a raspberry pi today what accessories do i need?
[16:03] <tehtrb> power supply
[16:03] <chithead> sd card
[16:03] <tehtrb> cables
[16:03] <Fleck> kgbplus /me sadface :D
[16:03] <kgbplus> spycrab: read this http://www.raspberrypi.org/quick-start-guide
[16:03] <spycrab0> thanks
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[16:04] <Syconaut> Hello fellow PIE bakers
[16:04] <scummos> sd-card, mini-hdmi cable if you don't like console
[16:04] <scummos> USB mouse/keyboard if you don't like ssh
[16:05] <spycrab0> well can i work with ssh from the beginning?
[16:05] <netman87> kgbplus: yeah, im still uploading that file. its just folder that contains all files
[16:05] <spycrab0> i mean does the ssh deamon start automaticly or must i configure it?
[16:06] <atouk> starts automatically
[16:06] <chithead> depends on the distro. many start ssh automatically and have public root password
[16:06] <atouk> (raspbian)
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[16:07] <spycrab0> well i buy the sd card from farnel with preinstalled debian 6
[16:07] <spycrab0> *farnell
[16:07] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
[16:07] <tehtrb> spycrab0: buy a normal card && flash the thing yourself
[16:08] <tehtrb> raspbian gives u automatic option to resize partition
[16:08] <Syconaut> ../menu option to resize...
[16:08] <spycrab0> well can you suggest a sd card or does it work with anyone
[16:08] <chithead> debian is maybe not optional, it is only softfloat
[16:09] <atouk> pick up a wifi dongle, too
[16:09] <[SLB]> in raspbian, ssh doesn't start automatically, at least in the july image, not sure about the august's one
[16:09] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards lists compatible sd cards
[16:09] <Syconaut> :D
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[16:10] <kgbplus> spycrab0: in raspbian you will need to run raspi-config once to start ssh
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[16:11] <atouk> i ran raspi-config via ssh
[16:12] <atouk> so i guess latest distro it's enabled
[16:12] <spycrab0> well i think i buy the sd card with pre-installed image because my sd card slot doesnt work correctly
[16:13] <PhotoJim> a USB SD card reader is trivially inexpensive
[16:13] <aarossig> spycrab0: it's really not a bad idea to have one around
[16:13] <atouk> usb card raders are cheap. you'll probobly want one for when new distros are rleeased or you want other images (xbmc)
[16:14] <Hodapp> yeah, you can find said SD card readers for like $5 or $10
[16:14] <Hodapp> around $10 you get into the 783-in-one card readers
[16:14] <aarossig> or use your digital camera or something that already has a reader
[16:15] <aarossig> though, I've never tried creating a file system using a digital camera reader, I know sometimes they implement crappy pict protocols
[16:15] <Hodapp> aarossig: if it's PTP, you've very little control
[16:15] <aarossig> Hodapp: yeah, that's what I was thinking after I said it
[16:15] <aarossig> good call on the 783-in-one reader ;)
[16:15] <chithead> cameras can sometimes be switched between usb msc and ptp mode
[16:15] <atouk> and a micro sd with an adaptor works just fine, too
[16:16] <Hodapp> problem with the 783-in-one readers is that in a year or two you'll have needed it to be 784-in-one
[16:16] <aarossig> haha, so true
[16:16] <Hodapp> I've seen that happen, annoyingly, with SDHC/SDXC
[16:16] <aarossig> I have a 20 in one reader, but it doesn't support SDHC
[16:17] <aarossig> so I had to buy a new one to support my larger cards
[16:17] <atouk> but then we'll be on raspi board revision 36 with the neural interface. won't need a reader
[16:17] <Hodapp> and the CompactFlash pins on mine are b0rked now from me sticking it in a backpack pocket against something thin
[16:17] * gordonDrogon waves.
[16:17] <chithead> this is especially annoying when the reader is built-in to your laptop
[16:17] <Hodapp> which doesn't really matter since I really have nothing anymore that uses CF
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[16:17] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: how's the camera been?
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, Oh, really good! Taken over 500 shots so-far...
[16:18] <aarossig> gordonDrogon: I was on here last night and they mentioned that you are the GPIO expert. Do you know anything about running bare metal code on the rpi?
[16:18] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: Are any of them worth looking at? :P
[16:18] <atouk> has anyone used a cf reader in their pi to write an image?
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, and more by chance than anything else, watches 2 stages of the tour of GB cycles.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> aarossig, sorry - not much on bare metal - lots of gpio from C/Linux though.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, some :)
[16:19] <aarossig> gordonDrogon: yeah, I saw your header files and work -- very nice work
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, http://unicorn.drogon.net/c1.jpg and c2.jpg
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> aarossig, should be easy to replicate it in a bare-metal approach though.
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> aarossig, assuming you've booted into C and setup all the stacks, etc. that a C program needs.
[16:20] <aarossig> gordonDrogon: that's what I had expected, but I've ran into a road block and I can't get pas it
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> aarossig, does your C program run?
[16:21] <aarossig> I simply took the concepts from this tutorial and wrote then in C http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/ok01.html
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[16:22] <aarossig> it builds properly but the OKLED does not ignite http://gtabfans.com/~andrew/upload/OKLed/source/main.c
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> aarossig, typically to get a C program to run, you need to setup a stack, copy initialisaed data into RAM, zero uninitialised data and so on...
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[16:22] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: nice :)
[16:22] <aarossig> My thought is that the init code in this assembly is doing that http://gtabfans.com/~andrew/upload/OKLed/kernel.list
[16:22] <aarossig> but you are probably right, I am missing something to init everything
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> aarossig, yea, it's going to be hard to see if the C is actually running first.
[16:23] <aarossig> gordonDrogon: yeah, I was hoping the OKLED would be a trivial effort and that would tell me that the C program is actually running
[16:23] <gordonDrogon> aarossig, I've done bring-ups for other processors in the past, but not ARM.
[16:24] <spycrab0> well i think i dont have mini hdmi cable , but im not sure heres a picture of it: http://www.hama.de/bilder/00043/abb/00043084abb.jpg?1347805250526
[16:24] <aarossig> most of my experience is with the AVR line of microcontrollers, this is a bit more complicated
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> aarossig, what you might want to try to do, if possible, is look at the Linux kernel startup - there will be a small shim of assembler before it launches into the bulk of the C code I imagine.
[16:25] <aarossig> good idea, I'll see what they have
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> aarossig, yea, C on the AVRs "just works" when you link in the right startup code.
[16:25] <SpeedEvil> or uboot
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> aarossig, or RiscOS - might be simpler...
[16:26] <chithead> yes, uboot might be easy to understand
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, of-course the 4GB Transcend C4 SD card that failed in my Pi works perfectly in the camera... might try the sandisk ultra c6's I bought for the Pi's in it at some point - it starts to choke on writes after about 8 shots )-:
[16:29] <Hodapp> huh, weird
[16:31] <Syconaut> im using Kingston SD10V/16GB or SD10V/32GB in all my Pies
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> my older kingston c6's work fine in the Pi's too.
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[16:31] <aarossig> gordonDrogon: this is nice: https://github.com/dwelch67/raspberrypi/tree/master/blinker06
[16:31] <spycrab0> so is this a hdmi or an mini hdmi cable ( http://www.hama.de/bilder/00043/abb/00043084abb.jpg?1347805250526 )
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[16:32] <aarossig> he has a file called vectors.s that seems to start the whole program
[16:32] <Syconaut> spycrab0_ HDMI, standard
[16:32] <spycrab0> so i need another cable for the pi?
[16:32] <Syconaut> no
[16:32] <Syconaut> HDMI standard. it is
[16:33] <[SLB]> micro usb for the power
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> aarossig, I'm not that familiar with arm assembler - last time I looked was when I had an arorn archimedes..
[16:34] <aarossig> heh, okay -- has been a while
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> I try to stay away from assembler these days - only so-many grey cells left!!!
[16:35] <aarossig> that's what I'm trying to do too :P
[16:35] * Hodapp thwaps gordonDrogon
[16:35] <aarossig> but it looks like I'll need that shim of assembler like you said
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, ?
[16:35] <Hodapp> don't abandon your roots!
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[16:36] <gordonDrogon> ugh... let me see... 6502, Prime, 8080, 6809 (never liked that one), transputer, Sparc, i860 (dual instruction mode yaieeee), sc/mp. I think that's enough.
[16:37] <Hodapp> what was transputer like?
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> ugly.
[16:37] <Syconaut> X-D
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> it's a stack based architechue.
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> so you have 3 registers in a stack...
[16:37] <Syconaut> i dont see 680x0 there... hmmph
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> and you must never rely on the register contents after a jump instruction either...
[16:38] <Hodapp> transputer looked like a very interesting architecture, but it's rather before me
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> did a lot of C on 680x0, never assembler.
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> I've written about 4 lines if PIC assembler and about the same on the AVR.
[16:39] <Syconaut> omg, amiga asm. all the hours, oog copperlists,, ooh.. grrgl
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> the transputer has an on-board task scheduller.
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> and it could switch tasks at a jump instruction.
[16:40] <tehtrb> does the youtube app work in xbian ?
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> it also had a signed address bus. the first memory location was 0x80000000 ...
[16:41] * gordonDrogon tries desperately to forget transputer now.
[16:41] <spycrab0> does the raspberry use hdmi or mini hdmi , im confused :/
[16:41] <Hodapp> HDMI
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[16:42] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: I wonder if XMOS managed to do any better...
[16:42] <spycrab0> thanks i was confused because someone here wrote that i need an hdmi mini cable
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, thought xmos had produced an fpga type device? I worked with some of their staff at previous companies in Bristol...
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[16:44] <gordonDrogon> bit out of touch since leaving bristol 10 years ago - but it was very close sort of everyone knowing everyone sort of thing the whole inmos, meiko, division, pixelfusion, xmos, clearspeed, superH and who knows what else....
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> anyone know if there is any advantage to keeping a static library (e.g. wiringPi.a) over a dynamic one (e.g. wiringPi.so.1) ?
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon> I've been asked for a dynamic one and thinking of simple changing everything.
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[16:45] <urs> reset
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> I don't think it would make any difference to existing programs as if they are re-compiled they'd subsequently link with the new dynamic lib...?
[16:46] <urs> whoopsie.
[16:46] <urs> (slow internet connection is slow)
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> but I'm no real expert in this area.
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[16:54] <djazz> i managed to power the RPi with a 500mA pattery pack and WLAN, Webcam and Bluetooth connected on a non-powered usb hub
[16:54] <djazz> :D
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[16:54] <djazz> wonder if the devices work...
[16:55] <djazz> it booted atleast
[16:56] <djazz> wifi dont seem to be detected
[16:58] <tripgod> no surprise there. once everything turns on or starts to be used by drivers, shit's gonna blackout
[16:58] <djazz> the hub got a power contact, but idk what input that is required
[16:59] <djazz> it didnt came with an adaptor
[16:59] <chithead> maybe it says somewhere at the bottom
[16:59] <djazz> no
[16:59] <djazz> only the model number and i've tried to search for it
[17:00] <chithead> polarity is mentioned?
[17:00] <djazz> no
[17:00] <djazz> just a hole
[17:00] <djazz> pretty small
[17:00] <aarossig> YES! I got it!
[17:00] <djazz> 2-3 mm across
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[17:01] <aarossig> gordonDrogon: Thanks for your thoughts, you made me think about actuallys starting the C code somehow
[17:01] <aarossig> I needed something in the init section to move into main
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[17:02] <aarossig> basically a "reset vector"
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> aarossig, so yout booting into C now? that's great if-so!
[17:03] <aarossig> gordonDrogon: YEP! I managed to engage the OK LED using that main.c file I linked earlier
[17:03] <aarossig> I can finally start writing some decent h files and get some interesting stuff going here
[17:03] <djazz> now, what can you do with two pi's? :D
[17:04] <Hodapp> djazz: calculate the circumreference on a unit-radius circle?
[17:04] * Hodapp ducks
[17:04] <scummos> calculate hbar
[17:04] <scummos> from h
[17:04] <djazz> Hodapp: what?
[17:04] <aarossig> I need to find a celebratory chiptune :P
[17:04] <scummos> xD
[17:04] <Hodapp> c = 2*pi*r, r = 1, then c = 2*pi.... nevermind :-/
[17:05] <atouk> chiptune? get it to play a mod file. theme from shadow of the beast
[17:05] <aarossig> this will do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9STiQ8cCIo0 haha
[17:05] <aarossig> atouk: oh yeah, that should be trivial -- just call over libmikmod
[17:06] <aarossig> </sarcasm>
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[17:06] <atouk> come on. one more cup of coffee, and i'm sure you could do it ;)
[17:07] <djazz> Hodapp: calculate decimals? nahh
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[17:10] * aarossig wonders if they make SD Connector savers
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[17:11] <aarossig> like the military spec connector savers for amphenol connectors, but for SD cards
[17:12] <chithead> if the rpi is encased, the connector should be adequately protected already
[17:13] <aarossig> chithead: it's more to avoid the wear and tear of connecting and disconnecting -- when doing this bare metal stuff you might insert/remove the SD card > 10 times per hour
[17:13] <aarossig> those use cycles are bound to add up
[17:17] <chithead> typically, sd cards and connectors are specified for 10000 insertion cycles
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[17:21] <aarossig> chithead: wonderful, I did not know that
[17:21] <aarossig> chithead: thanks for the tip! :)
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[17:24] <gordonDrogon> right. well I think I've gotten the hang of dynamic linking for wiringPi.
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[17:34] <aarossig> if I recall from the schematics... the audio output is actually a pwm driver
[17:34] <aarossig> I could have some fun with that
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> the 3.5mm jack is a PWM derived signal.
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> the audio over hdmi is... um. hdmi audio - thingy. (ok, I haven't a clue)
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[17:44] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, ping ?
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[17:48] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: hdmi audio would be pcm
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[18:15] <tehtrb> hm, my pi is back
[18:16] <tehtrb> but now my confidence is shaken
[18:16] <gordonDrogon> what was it away for?
[18:18] <tehtrb> idk
[18:18] <tehtrb> it gave no sign of life
[18:18] <tehtrb> anyways, is there a possibility to install xbmc over a regular raspbian ?
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[18:19] <chithead> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC was found by google
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[18:20] <skiphuffman> Looking for an answer to a seemingly simple x11 raspian question. How can I autostart vlc at start of x11?
[18:20] <JonnyRo> What is the term for the type of button that does not use a spring and contact, but uses a soft rubber sheet over a grid of circuit traces?
[18:20] <aarossig> JonnyRo: they use a membrane
[18:20] <skiphuffman> JonnyRo "membrane"
[18:21] <JonnyRo> thanks
[18:21] <JonnyRo> so if i want to learn how they work, i should look up "membrane" switch?
[18:21] <aarossig> yeah
[18:21] <aarossig> they're quite simple...
[18:21] <aarossig> you have a rubber sheet that is formed in the shape of a button
[18:21] <aarossig> at the top of the button is usually some carbon
[18:22] <aarossig> and then you elastically deform the membrane the carbon makes contact with the traces
[18:22] <skiphuffman> JonnyRo isn't hard. Just two parallel bits of contact with a bit of conductor held above them on the inside of a rubber bump
[18:22] <aarossig> when your cordless phone or remote control stops responding to button presses, the carbon has worn off and you need to repair or replace it
[18:22] <JonnyRo> interesting. I am trying to find a use for some old TI-86 graphing calculators i have here
[18:22] <aarossig> those can be programmed
[18:22] <JonnyRo> i'm thinking of reusing the front face, buttons, and building a new back
[18:22] <aarossig> fun stuff
[18:23] <skiphuffman> When you push down the rubber bubble you press the conductor on to the parallel traces, completeing a circuit
[18:23] <JonnyRo> aarossig, i've done a bit of loading alternative assembly language programs on these (not written by me), and writing apps for them, but the CPU is so limited
[18:23] <aarossig> skiphuffman: do this http://ti86world.tripod.com/programming.htm
[18:23] <aarossig> ah, okay
[18:23] <JonnyRo> thanks for the information :)
[18:24] <JonnyRo> I want to put a raspberry pi and a grid of button sensors on an assembly behind the front face
[18:24] <skiphuffman> aarossig, I think that was for JonnyRo, not me
[18:24] <skiphuffman> I am looking for a bit of simple raspian help
[18:24] <aarossig> skiphuffman: it was >.> sorry about that
[18:24] <aarossig> skiphuffman: what do you need?
[18:25] <skiphuffman> NP. I just want to autostart vlc when I start x11
[18:25] <skiphuffman> I think init.d might be overkill
[18:25] <JonnyRo> aarossig, thanks. TI-basic has been very useful in my electrical engineering courses (the ones i took before i switched my major) for computing nyquist diagram coefficients
[18:25] <aarossig> skiphuffman: I suppose... but if it works
[18:26] <JonnyRo> it's very powerful
[18:26] <aarossig> JonnyRo: sorry to point you to something that you clearly already had a firm grasp on
[18:26] <aarossig> I was in EE for a while too
[18:26] <JonnyRo> aarossig, no worries, it's a useful reference should i ever decide to do TI-Basic again
[18:26] <skiphuffman> Well, when I am working in the tiny constraints of something like a pi, I would rather do it the 'standard' way to take advantages of any optimizations.
[18:27] <JonnyRo> aarossig, i'd like to go back one day. I was dual majoring in CS and EE, but it was taking forever to graduate, so i downselected
[18:27] <aarossig> oh, very cool
[18:27] <JonnyRo> i miss the days in the lab with an oscilliscope
[18:27] <JonnyRo> so much
[18:27] <aarossig> I was in EE and hated the approach the profs were taking
[18:27] <JonnyRo> aarossig, you mean the obsession with the pen and paper way?
[18:27] <aarossig> I pulled out and started computer engineering at the college level, but I am looking forward to going into CS
[18:28] <aarossig> that obsession and the overuse of the phrase "Use your intuition"
[18:28] <JonnyRo> yea
[18:28] <JonnyRo> the first time i found out you could solve a circuit using a system of equations, i lost it. I was pissed that we had spent so much time learning how to do it the other way
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[18:29] <home> HEY
[18:29] <aarossig> JonnyRo: EXACTLY.
[18:29] <skiphuffman> intuition is a crappy way to write programs
[18:29] <JonnyRo> the TI-85 had in my opinion the best systems of equations solver
[18:29] <home> how do I power my raspberrypi from Batteries?
[18:29] <aarossig> I'm a very applied person, I like to take the concepts I learn and apply them to real world problems
[18:29] <JonnyRo> Why not use the "best" currently available way. I can always revert to my EE book to do the other way if the apocolypse comes and all the computers die
[18:29] <aarossig> solving 100's of resistor networks wasn't getting me anywhere
[18:29] <JonnyRo> Exactly!
[18:29] <home> Guys
[18:30] <sam> aarossig: been telling me that about anatomy for ages!
[18:30] <home> How to power my raspberrypi from batteries?
[18:30] <JonnyRo> home, not sure, how are you powering it now
[18:30] <skiphuffman> Car battery>DC-AC Convertor->USB cellphone charger-> pi would work
[18:30] <home> JonnyRo: normal WAY
[18:30] <aarossig> lol
[18:30] <tehtrb> skiphuffman: da man !
[18:30] <home> skiphuffman: usING DOUBLE A batteries
[18:30] <chithead> car battery -> usb car charger -> pi
[18:30] <JonnyRo> home, i dont have one yet, how does it work, wallwart?
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[18:30] <tehtrb> simple and effective
[18:31] <sulaiman> H
[18:31] <sulaiman> Hi*
[18:31] <chithead> google for "raspberry pi aa battery" it is the first hit
[18:31] <aarossig> you can take a few AA's (5 - 6) and put them in series. Then you need a DC-DC LDO switching converter to get 5V stable from the variable battery voltage
[18:31] <JonnyRo> i spent the last year learning how to use GL Studio (http://www.disti.com). I cant wait to use their embedded devices package to make some touchscreen panels for the pi
[18:31] <aarossig> this is not a trivial thing
[18:32] <sulaiman> I found an old microusb samsung mobile charger that outputs 4.75V, can I use it power my pi?
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> home, barrery -> voltage regulator -> RPi.
[18:32] <skiphuffman> Is 4.5 = 5?
[18:32] <JonnyRo> i was also looking at librocket and clutter, but i dont have much experiences with those
[18:32] <home> Is it :o
[18:32] <home> how many double A batteries :/
[18:32] <aarossig> sulaiman: I wouldn't recommend it, the voltage drop across the USB cable at that voltage might drag it down to 4.5 and you might experience issues
[18:32] <home> sulaiman: NO
[18:32] <chithead> sulaiman: probably not
[18:32] <skiphuffman> Dunno, it's been a while since third grade for me.
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> home, I'm sorry - but if you are unable to work that out, then really, give up now.
[18:32] <home> gordonDrogon: HOW MANY
[18:32] <JonnyRo> wow, this is interesting
[18:32] <gordonDrogon> home, sorry. give up.
[18:33] <home> gordonDrogon: dude, I just want to know how many :P
[18:33] <chithead> gordonDrogon: read the first hit on google, it is all explained there
[18:33] <aarossig> once I see the F-Bomb and any more than 3 - 5 capital letters strung together, I start ignoring the request
[18:33] <sulaiman> thanks aarossig , home , chithead , skiphuffman . Will look for my blackberry charger then
[18:33] <skiphuffman> Oh, now we are in fourth grade math. 5/1.25=?
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> home, what voltage does the Pi need?
[18:33] <chithead> home: ^^ gordonDrogon sry
[18:33] <home> gordonDrogon: 555555v
[18:33] <aarossig> sulaiman: np, that's a good idea
[18:33] <home> gordonDrogon: 5V
[18:33] <gordonDrogon> home, what voltage are AA's ?
[18:33] <home> 1.2?
[18:33] <aarossig> *facepalm*
[18:34] <gordonDrogon> cloe enough. What's 5 / 1.2 ?
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[18:34] <JonnyRo> aarossig, got a link that i can read up on LDO switching converters? i need to supply power to a 4 pin molex connector in the same way that a PC power supply would. 12V, 5V, GND, from an automotive supply that varries around 12V
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[18:34] <skiphuffman> Wow. I thought *I* was asking a stupid question.
[18:35] <aarossig> JonnyRo: these days you can buy TO-220 packages that contain everything except the capacitor and inductor required for the DC buck/boost converters
[18:35] <aarossig> JonnyRo: check out digikey.ca, search for voltage regulators and shop around -- the datasheets are excellent
[18:35] <JonnyRo> cool, thanks
[18:35] <gordonDrogon> JonnyRo, http://linitx.com/category/157/149,157
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[18:35] <aarossig> JonnyRo: protip - Check off "In Stock" and leave the keyword field blank -- you'll get a list of all products
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[18:36] <home> lol..
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[18:37] <JonnyRo> Thanks :)
[18:42] <sulaiman> hi, can I use an usb to microusb cable that charges a ps3 controller?
[18:42] <skiphuffman> probably
[18:42] <sulaiman> it reads 30V
[18:42] <skiphuffman> USB should be USB
[18:43] <skiphuffman> ! or maybe not
[18:43] <skiphuffman> 30V?
[18:43] <chithead> as long as the plug fits, yes. only the proper power source is important
[18:43] <skiphuffman> is that input or output
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[18:43] <sulaiman> i am not sure, it's written on the m iddle of the wire, skiphuffman
[18:43] <skiphuffman> chithead. Well, unless someone cheated and used a standard plug with non standard voltage.
[18:44] <chithead> the cable does not produce any voltage by itself
[18:44] <skiphuffman> Um, do you have a multimeter?
[18:45] <tehtrb> http://quick.redirectme.net
[18:45] <tehtrb> does it work ?
[18:45] <sulaiman> skiphuffman, no.. i am not even sure why I have a rasberry pi.. I am not into electronics, but I am into software.. and wanted to build some computer vision app using it
[18:46] <InControl> lol 30V will be the max rating printed on the cable
[18:47] <sulaiman> this is what it says on my wire, "terminator e258105 RJ AWM STYLE 2725 80degreeC 30V VW-1 28AWG/1P 28AWG/2C"
[18:47] <InControl> in other words don't try putting 110/220V mains down it or it will melt
[18:47] <skiphuffman> You might want to pick one up. You can probably get one for less than $10 and look really nerdy. (also great for checking if batteries are dead)
[18:47] <IT_Sean> that's the rating of the wire, not the actual voltage of the supply that the wire came with.
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[18:48] <skiphuffman> sulaiman Look on the charger end of the cable. The bit that plugs into the wall. It should list power ratings.
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[18:55] <chithead> if one end of the cable plugs into the wall, then I'd certainly not plug the other end into the rpi
[18:55] <scummos> lo
[18:55] <scummos> l
[18:55] <sulaiman> I am plugging my charger end into my laptop
[18:57] <chithead> you do understand that the rpi can take up to 700mA, but usb is only specified up to 500mA? if possible only use usb chargers that allow at least 700mA
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[18:58] <sulaiman> I didn't know that
[19:00] <IT_Sean> 500mA may not be sufficient to properly run the Pi
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[19:01] <satellit> I use an enercell with 1.0A (from radioshack) plus a 4 way powered hub..for usb keyboard and mouse (both Dell) works great
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[19:01] <scummos> I use my notebook
[19:01] <scummos> works great too
[19:01] <scummos> even with a wifi dongle
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[19:04] <sulaiman> okay, I found yet another cable lying around, it's another usb to microusb cable that I used with an external HDD, what's different is that it has two USB heads, and one microusb head
[19:04] <tehtrb> how can i interrupt the boot process of my raspi to get a root shell
[19:05] <sulaiman> last hope before I head out to look for something in an hardware store
[19:05] <skiphuffman> sulaiman the CABLE doesn't have anything really to do with the power characteristics. That depends on the source.
[19:06] <skiphuffman> The source should be something that charges USB devices. I used a phone charger that I bought for $8 at big lots.
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[19:10] <sulaiman> okay, last question, does it have to be 5V, or can I look for anything greater than 5V?
[19:10] <AC`97> 5.1v would work
[19:10] <IT_Sean> No.
[19:10] <AC`97> :P
[19:10] <IT_Sean> well, yeah 5.1v is okay. but, too much voltage is bad.
[19:10] <scummos> the pi does have a voltage regulator, no?
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[19:11] <scummos> but yeah, don't give it too much or you risk frying it :P
[19:11] <AC`97> 5.2v sony charger is said to work too
[19:11] <tehtrb> sulaiman: any "microusb phone" charger will do
[19:11] <skiphuffman> USB is 5v. Period
[19:11] <skiphuffman> if it isn't 5v, it isn't USB
[19:11] <skiphuffman> You need to be more concerned with ampherage
[19:11] <scummos> well what's "5V"
[19:11] <Vazde> isn't usb 4.75-5.25?
[19:11] <IT_Sean> ::facepalm::
[19:12] <sulaiman> skiphuffman ... but somebody mentioned USB is only 500mA, and not 700mA
[19:12] <skiphuffman> sulaiman. 500ma (or .5a) is minimum for a powered USB port.
[19:12] <skiphuffman> I think USB allows up to 1.8a for a charging type port.
[19:12] <AC`97> maximum*
[19:12] <skiphuffman> But let me check
[19:13] <sulaiman> tehtrb, also, I found an old microusb phone charger that had 4.75 printed on it
[19:13] <atouk> usb "spec" is .5. chinese powered ports are to infinity and beyond
[19:13] <chithead> usb is 5V ?? 0.25V
[19:13] <skiphuffman> Signal 5 volt DC
[19:13] <skiphuffman> Max. voltage 5.00?0.25 V
[19:13] <skiphuffman> Max. current 500?900 mA @ 5 V (depending on version)
[19:13] <skiphuffman> 5 A for Battery Charging devices
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[19:15] <skiphuffman> Ok, I am wrong
[19:15] <skiphuffman> the pi B only needs .7a
[19:15] <skiphuffman> the A only needs .5a
[19:15] <sulaiman> i have pi B
[19:16] <skiphuffman> So if it plugs in, it should probably be fine
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[19:18] <sulaiman> okay, I am going to try this!
[19:20] <sulaiman> oops, it doesn't fit. it's a miniusb ...
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[19:21] <skiphuffman> Yeah, you need micro-b usb
[19:21] <skiphuffman> Same as lots of phones, Kindle and other things
[19:21] <not_sulaiman> yes, heading out to get it now
[19:22] <AC`97> umm... fastest bootup ever. 4 seconds
[19:23] <AC`97> O.o
[19:23] <IT_Sean> O_o
[19:23] <AC`97> or perhaps that was because i did quick reset (pull plug, shove it back in)
[19:24] <AC`97> doh. second try was 7 seconds
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[19:24] <AC`97> i wonder why it was so quick the first time O.o
[19:24] <dman91> Hello everyone
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[19:27] <AC`97> ...
[19:28] <atouk> first time is always too fast
[19:28] <AC`97> ??
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[19:29] <atouk> well, that's what she said
[19:29] <[SLB]> lol
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[19:47] <wto> do you guys know if there is a way to purchase more than one pi at the time from element14?
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[19:47] <dman91> multiple accounts?
[19:48] <wto> dman91: I suppose I could place multiple orders, too. But that would be impractical
[19:48] <dman91> if you know people who have element14 accounts , you could ask them?
[19:49] <dman91> anyway, I thought you can get an unlimited number of pis now
[19:49] <dman91> no?
[19:49] <tehtrb> yeah
[19:49] <wto> dman91: yes, but the order page at farnell/element14 is like a static one with just one pi in it :/
[19:49] <tehtrb> u should give em a call
[19:49] <tehtrb> u kno, in telephone
[19:49] <tehtrb> wit ur real voice !!
[19:49] <tehtrb> :D
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[19:50] <sulaiman> Hi, i am back
[19:50] <wto> tehtrb: yes, I know about calling :P
[19:50] <sulaiman> I bought a DC5.0V adapter
[19:50] <wto> I did send them an e-mail though, just wanted to see if anyone knew a way before they answer!
[19:50] <dman91> ahhh damn static pages
[19:50] <sulaiman> but, it is 1000mA, will that work?
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[19:51] <sulaiman> I think it's an apple charger
[19:51] <sulaiman> with my samsung usb cable
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[19:53] <sulaiman> is red light bad?
[19:53] <sulaiman> no, that's just PWR
[19:54] <sulaiman> hm, no ouput on my monitor :(
[19:54] <tehtrb> ya red light is good
[19:54] <tehtrb> normally u should have green light too
[19:54] <tehtrb> show its working w/ the card
[19:54] <sulaiman> yes, i have both
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[19:54] <tehtrb> then it works
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[19:54] <sulaiman> the green light is not constant though, it toggles
[19:55] <tehtrb> yeah, the device is working
[19:55] <tehtrb> should be booting
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[19:56] <sulaiman> it's been a while, but still nothing on my screen
[19:56] <tehtrb> is it turned on ?
[19:56] <tehtrb> is the cable ok ?
[19:56] <tehtrb> hdmi or composite
[19:57] <sulaiman> i am using an hdmi to vga cable for my monitor
[19:57] <tehtrb> dont think that works
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> wow...
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> they're expensive.
[19:57] <tehtrb> vga is analog and the rpi gives only digital output
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> the proper ones, anyway.
[19:57] <tehtrb> u can only use composite, hdmi or hdmi to dvi adapter
[19:57] <sulaiman> oh..
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> there are hdmi to vga adaptors, but they're usually more than the Pi in price...
[19:58] <dman91> oooo i have made that mistake with the HDMI to VGA cable too whoops
[19:58] <brougham> we scored a few from amazon@?8, no audio though
[19:58] <sulaiman> oh.. so..I can't use raspberry pi with my monitor?
[19:58] <tehtrb> lol
[19:58] <tehtrb> audio doesnt play thru vga
[19:59] <brougham> true, but the ?70 ones have audio break-out too
[19:59] <mjr> sulaiman, you'd need an active converter, typically expensive
[19:59] <dman91> you need to have HDMI to HDMI. or you can get an adaptor and have HDMI -> adaptor -> VGA
[19:59] <edh> you got a tv you can plug it into?
[20:00] <tehtrb> yeah u need tv or a rly new monitor w/ hdmi
[20:00] <edh> tv can be old tho
[20:00] <edh> old-ish
[20:01] <tehtrb> hey, if it does composite
[20:01] <tehtrb> which many tv's do
[20:01] <tehtrb> u can use composite to scart adapter
[20:01] <AC`97> whups, just dropped a screw on my RPi
[20:02] <AC`97> amazingly, nothing got damaged.
[20:02] <mjr> tehtrb, dvi monitor should probably do
[20:02] <edh> nothing you know of
[20:02] <AC`97> ...
[20:02] <edh> hehe
[20:02] <AC`97> it might have shorted a gpio pin to ground
[20:03] <AC`97> because my heatsink is grounded
[20:03] <edh> that'd be too obvious. it's sneaky...
[20:03] <sulaiman> I am glad this happened, I was planning to buy a mac mini for myself to use with the same monitor
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[20:14] <gordonDrogon> something reads the GPIO at boot time - I discovered earlier when I had a gertboard plugged in one pin over - the TV came up in basic 640x480 mode rather than 720p.
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[20:21] <[SkG]> There is currently any XBMC RPi distro with hard float? I'd like to give a chance again to XBMC (I was disapointed with the softfp distros)
[20:22] <[SLB]> there's a deb for raspbian that worked for me
[20:23] <[SLB]> https://github.com/RB-tomaz/xbmc-rdp-tomaz
[20:23] <[SkG]> oh
[20:23] <Dyskette> There's raspbmc which is raspbian based.
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[20:23] <[SkG]> oh ty Dyskette
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[20:24] <[SkG]> [SLB], I'm looking for and standalone xbmc distro for my gf. I use omxplayer and I'm happy with it. She made an script but still wanting a sd with xbmc
[20:25] <[SLB]> ah i see
[20:25] <[SLB]> there's also xbian as standalone
[20:25] <[SkG]> its hardfp?
[20:26] <[SLB]> i think so but not sure http://xbian.org/
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[20:27] <[SLB]> yes it is
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[20:28] <[SLB]> and cec support
[20:29] <[SLB]> mah, i still haven't figured this cec thing out
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[20:35] <[SkG]> heh [SLB] will check then xbian CRC is interesting
[20:36] <[SLB]> :)
[20:36] <[SkG]> because my sound center have CEC
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[20:36] <[SLB]> nice eheh
[20:36] <[SkG]> that will allow be to throw away the keyboard
[20:36] <[SLB]> yeps
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[20:40] <[SkG]> Well [SLB] seems that Raspbmc has CEC too
[20:41] <[SLB]> ah okies
[20:41] <[SkG]> I think that I have to try both Raspbmc and Xbian
[20:41] <[SLB]> eheh
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[20:52] <[SLB]> i think one overclocks at 800 and the other at 840, not sure
[20:54] <manitou> my tv remote work on every *xbmc distro for rpi ? sonyex710
[20:54] <tehtrb> sm here said raspbmc 800 and xbian 840
[20:56] <bircoe> OpenELEC also has CEC... it's pretty standard these days.
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[21:04] <[SLB]> so for cec, am i supposed to have xbmc open and do the scan from the tv?
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[21:04] <bircoe> for me CEC just connects...
[21:05] <bircoe> The TV shows an on screen display of the current resolution, once that drops away CEC is connected and I can control the Pi from the TV's remote.
[21:06] <[SLB]> hm
[21:06] <[SLB]> raspbian?
[21:06] <tehtrb> there's no way to switch runlevels is there
[21:07] <[SLB]> init <runlevel>?
[21:07] <[SLB]> or permanently
[21:07] <bircoe> no OpenELEC, and I haven't updated for a while so build is 850, I compiled last night and the current build is 930
[21:07] <tehtrb> no not permanently
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[21:07] <bircoe> 11850 rather
[21:07] <tehtrb> i need to get to runlevel 1 sh shell
[21:07] <[SLB]> ah okai bircoe, maybe i'm missing some libs, my installation comes from july's raspbian image
[21:08] <[SLB]> tehtrb, i guess sudo init 1 should work
[21:08] <[SLB]> i suppose
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[21:08] <[SLB]> am fedora user
[21:08] <tehtrb> never tried fedora
[21:08] <bircoe> from memory CEC came later than that in OpenELEC, maybe some time in early August
[21:08] <[SLB]> i can switch runlevels on the fly with init <n>
[21:09] <tehtrb> hm
[21:09] <[SLB]> yeps august's image says it supports cec, but i was wondering whether with the updates i now have all the necessary for cec as well
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[21:09] <tehtrb> i fried my root pw and my user is not in sudoers
[21:09] <edh> man telinit
[21:09] <tehtrb> normally u fix that @ boot but stupid raspberry has stupid bootloader
[21:10] <bircoe> time for work i guess...
[21:10] <[SLB]> you can't have access to the sd from another pc?
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[21:12] <tehtrb> [SLB]: unfortunately not with any major-not-possible-now hassle
[21:13] <[SLB]> :[
[21:13] <tehtrb> only have access to read-only card device :D
[21:13] <tehtrb> fun, eh
[21:13] <[SLB]> very :\
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[21:17] <AC`97> tehtrb: what sort of access do you have from regular user?
[21:17] <AC`97> mmcblk0 ?
[21:17] <AC`97> did you do any fun stuff, such as having scripts in your homedir run during bootup?
[21:20] <tehtrb> AC`97: i created a user (raspbian) w/o any further specifications
[21:20] <tehtrb> no sudo
[21:20] <tehtrb> and then i fucked up the root password
[21:20] <tehtrb> but idc, i'll reflash teh card tomorrow
[21:21] <AC`97> ...
[21:21] <AC`97> how did you fsck up password ??
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[21:21] <manitou> nice just tested rpi(openelec) power from tv usb and its running nice ! now im gonna open tv and find place for rpi inside !
[21:21] <manitou> :)
[21:21] <AC`97> ...
[21:22] <tehtrb> manitou: yeh that is best
[21:22] <AC`97> until your sd card gets corrupted.
[21:22] <manitou> AC`97: why so mean :)
[21:22] <AC`97> y so srs? :D
[21:23] <manitou> im thinking to make position so i can acces sd
[21:23] <AC`97> sd card extension
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[21:23] <manitou> or that
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[21:24] <manitou> must open tv first and take look
[21:24] <manitou> if its enough space for playing
[21:25] <AC`97> does your tv have fans?
[21:25] <AC`97> my tv has 4 fans, heh..
[21:25] <trevorman> manitou: you'll want the ability to interrupt power to the rpi as well so you can reboot it without unplugging your tv
[21:25] <AC`97> but then again, it's a power hungry plasma
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[21:25] <manitou> tv off rpi off ! trevorman
[21:26] <Hodapp> but... I wanna watch Star Trek :(
[21:26] <trevorman> manitou: you checked that it does turn off the USB sockets?
[21:26] <manitou> or im just use velcro
[21:26] <manitou> trevorman: yes it turn it off
[21:26] <trevorman> thats fine then
[21:26] <trevorman> my TV has a permanently powered socket which is for the wifi dongle
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> just put a wee post together about my new PCB thingy!
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/experiments-in-pcb-design-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[21:28] <AC`97> what is a PCB thingy!?
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[21:28] <AC`97> also, y no surface mount
[21:30] <AC`97> y no cutout for composite connector
[21:30] <AC`97> i like double sided board though (whatever double sided means)
[21:31] <IT_Sean> souble sided = has two sides
[21:32] <AC`97> orly
[21:32] <manitou> AC`97: what tv have fans ? nice ! never see one of those ! where are you from +
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> AC`97, there's no pleasing everyone...
[21:32] <AC`97> manitou: USA. it's a power munching plasma tv
[21:32] <AC`97> they don't make these anymore, i think O.o
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[21:34] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: can't you just get the extra long stackable headers and solder them in partway?
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[21:34] <trevorman> ew
[21:34] <AC`97> fragile? XD
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[21:34] <gordonDrogon> AC`97, I've not found any.
[21:35] <gordonDrogon> AC`97, however the next board will probably be ribbon cable connected - seems to be easier that way.
[21:35] <AC`97> and all SMD ? :D
[21:36] <AC`97> i like soldering surface mount stuffs... with a torch.
[21:36] <trevorman> not everybody likes to do SMD
[21:36] <scummos> now comes AC`97 with his torch story again xD
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[21:36] <scummos> but I like it
[21:37] <AC`97> do you use a stove?
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> I have a stove.
[21:37] <AC`97> did you ever try soldering/reflowing with it?
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/officeFire.jpg <-- my stove.
[21:37] <AC`97> O.o
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[21:38] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: cool. what do you smelt?
[21:38] <trevorman> smelt?
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> if I'm making stuff for others - which I'm now planning on doing, I'll make it mostly through hole.
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[21:38] <trevorman> you never seen a wood burning stove before?
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> AC`97, I don't smelt anything - I burn wood and coal and it keeps my office warm and my coffee & milk hot!
[21:39] <AC`97> ...
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[21:39] <gordonDrogon> my office: http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/office.jpg
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> well - before a bit of a re-arrangement at the start of this year.
[21:39] <AC`97> y so pixelated
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[21:40] <AC`97> what's that box with 2 fans on top??
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[21:40] <gordonDrogon> cram camera
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> old Sun SCSI box.
[21:40] <AC`97> & y no penguins (tux!) around?
[21:41] <manitou> to hot for tux
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[21:41] <AC`97> :|
[21:41] <manitou> or taking the picture ! ;)
[21:41] <AC`97> O.o
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[21:44] <dennistlg> AC`97 yo like to solder smd? go and buy a Micro Crystal RV-3029-C2
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> I don't have fluffy Tux's.
[21:44] <dennistlg> :-D
[21:44] <DMackey> gordonDrogon, Nice office man
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[21:45] <AC`97> dennistlg: wut be dis micro crystal
[21:45] <[SLB]> whats a fiducial?
[21:46] <[SLB]> is it a marker or something?
[21:46] <AC`97> dennistlg: also, that's not so small
[21:46] <gordonDrogon> DMackey, advantage of working from home!
[21:46] <AC`97> i've done 6-pin chips that are 1/3th the width of my soldering iron O.o
[21:46] <AC`97> soldering iron tip*
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> there are some nice videos on utube about soldering smt stuff - I've done small resistors & caps and regulators in the past. nothing with many pins...
[21:48] <AC`97> soldering surface mount leds is hard with an iron
[21:48] <AC`97> i always melt the plastic
[21:48] <AC`97> ... so i use a torch instead.
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[21:48] <gordonDrogon> never tried leds.
[21:49] <dennistlg> AC`97 thats a i2c realtime clock with tempsensor
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> the mini Piio breadboard is the only thing I've done.
[21:49] <dennistlg> smd led is easy ;-) done it often a few years ago in mobile phones
[21:50] * gordonDrogon takes a photo..
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piio.jpg
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> I need some good pcb flux cleaner. can't get 1.1.1 anymore... (probably just as well)
[21:52] <AC`97> industrial strength degreaser?
[21:53] <AC`97> it can melt some plastic parts though.
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[21:53] <AC`97> i just do a quick spray and blow it all off with compressed air
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> I think Maplin have some that is supposed to be almost as good..
[21:55] <AC`97> anyone ever got brake cleaner in their eyes? :D
[21:55] <AC`97> ...i didn't know that stuff was so pressurized
[21:55] <dennistlg> some times i reflow solder bga ic's with hot air pistol ( plastation 3 cpu /gpu and motherrboard chipsets) ;-)
[21:56] <AC`97> i did playstation fix with torch.
[21:56] <dennistlg> ac 97 iam car mechanic have it in eyes a few times
[21:56] <AC`97> the only fail was trying to remove a motherboard cpu socket with a torch.
[21:56] <sorin7486> anybody here using pulseaudio over network?
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[21:56] <AC`97> dennistlg: how did it feel? how long did it last? XD
[21:56] <sorin7486> any idea if there's anything I can do to make it less laggy?
[21:57] <AC`97> sorin7486: reduce buffer.
[21:57] <AC`97> or the smart way would be to slow down video >:D
[21:58] <sorin7486> AC`97, and watch it in slow motion ? :)
[21:58] <AC`97> actually, i meant delay the video :P
[21:58] <dennistlg> its not so hard as OC gas (pepper spray) but you feel it from minute to hours ;-)
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[21:59] <dennistlg> cant explain how it feel
[21:59] <AC`97> it was almost 20 minutes for me D:
[21:59] <sorin7486> I can't delay the video.... I try to play it and it's out of sink for half a minute until it figures it out
[22:00] <dennistlg> its for brakes not for the eyes ;-)
[22:00] <sorin7486> then it works fine but if I pause or skip it sometimes gets confused and just stops playing
[22:00] <AC`97> i forgot what i was spraying, but it was definitely not eyes
[22:00] <AC`97> .. but then again, it wasn't brakes either...
[22:02] <dennistlg> we use it often to clean oil leakages with air pistol to clean engines to see from where the oil comes.
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[22:05] <zleap> what do i type in to a file manager address bar to connect to the pi
[22:06] <zleap> its something like scp://
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[22:06] <zleap> i did it the other day and can't remember what i typed in
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[22:06] <zleap> well 2 weeks ago or something
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> AC`97, what sort of "torch" do you have?
[22:07] <AC`97> oxy-acetylene
[22:08] <[SLB]> zleap, smb?
[22:08] <AC`97> it weighs more than me :|
[22:08] <zleap> pi is running ssh, so i know I can connect to it with the file manager in lubuntu enter a uid / password and browse
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[22:08] <[SLB]> there once was fish
[22:09] <AC`97> i use a regular butane torch for heatshrink
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[22:10] <sorin7486> zleap, you can do sftp://
[22:10] <zleap> sftp
[22:11] <zleap> yeahj just found that, thanks
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[22:11] <steve_rox> got fun?
[22:12] <AC`97> chow fun??
[22:13] <zleap> i can now run python stuff remotely and display on main PC
[22:13] <steve_rox> dunnos
[22:13] <zleap> well run via geany locally but load the file (.py) from the Pi
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[22:14] <gordonDrogon> AC`97, riiiight ....
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[22:14] <AC`97> ,,,
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[22:30] <AC`97> i keep accidentally shorting the 3v3 lines to ground. doh
[22:30] <AC`97> nothing fried yet. only reboots (:
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[22:30] <zleap> hmm,
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[22:30] <IT_Sean> shorting 3.3v and GND probably wouldn't do nay damage. Shorting 3.3v and 5v orgether, however, would be very bad.
[22:31] <zleap> yeah
[22:31] <AC`97> i might have done that once.
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[22:32] <amstan> Aarossig: hi
[22:32] <aarossig> amstan: good day sir!
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[22:43] <edh> quit
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[22:43] <AC`97> ^ lol
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[22:46] <pingec> Are there any home automation frameworks out there for the rpi?
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[22:47] <AC`97> write it yourself
[22:47] <AC`97> start with archlinux :P
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[22:52] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120916134358.png my pi's cpu temp
[22:52] <AC`97> it's rising because i closed my case.
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[22:53] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[22:53] <SSilver2k2> http://blog.sheasilverman.com/2012/09/its-alive/
[22:53] <AC`97> lo one
[22:53] <atouk> how are you measuring?
[22:53] <SSilver2k2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38Bo966V-zU
[22:53] <AC`97> atouk: vcgencmd
[22:53] <[SLB]> i did a try recording my temp on a google doc spreadsheet
[22:53] <[SLB]> via python gspread
[22:54] <AC`97> [SLB]: did it work? :P
[22:54] <[SLB]> of coz :3
[22:54] <[SLB]> moment let me find it
[22:54] <dennistlg> Anyone know a groundpoint in a mercedes A class trunk ?
[22:54] <[SLB]> nice SSilver2k2
[22:54] <AC`97> dennistlg: trunk latch
[22:55] <AC`97> you might have to remove a lot of plastic though XD
[22:55] <[SLB]> is it public? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/oimg?key=0AgnBJU5D3g9ydG5tbVhHWHR6Wi0wNG5UVk1jelBMSWc&oid=1&zx=clmwrko4ofrf
[22:56] <AC`97> yep.
[22:56] <AC`97> y so fluctuating
[22:56] <[SLB]> eheh
[22:56] <AC`97> also, y no timescale
[22:56] <pingec> Well I don't want to reinvent the wheel if there are home automation frameworks that work on a rpi out there...
[22:57] <AC`97> the rpi itself is a framework
[22:57] <AC`97> you just need to toggle pins
[22:57] <AC`97> and set up cron jobs
[22:57] <[SLB]> didn't bother, it's from 4am til now 11pm
[22:58] <dennistlg> AC`97 do you have a a class?
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[22:58] <AC`97> dennistlg: my sister has an old 260E clunker
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[22:58] <dennistlg> k
[22:58] <dennistlg> SSilver2k2 where do you owned the display?
[22:59] <dennistlg> is it from adafruit?
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[23:02] <atouk> -bash: vcgencmd: command not found
[23:02] <atouk> looking right at it, too :(
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[23:03] <AC`97> atouk: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[23:03] <atouk> command not found
[23:03] <AC`97> atouk: /opt/vc/bin/vcgemcmd measure_temp
[23:03] <atouk> i'm in /opt/vc/bin
[23:03] <AC`97> what do you have in there?
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[23:04] <[SLB]> the right question is, y u no kernel update :3
[23:04] <AC`97> y no firmware update
[23:04] <atouk> edidparser, tvservice, vcdbg, vcgencmd, vchiq_test
[23:05] <AC`97> ./vcgencmd
[23:05] <atouk> command not registered
[23:05] <AC`97> oh
[23:05] <AC`97> well there you have it
[23:05] <AC`97> Y NO KERNEL UPDATE :3
[23:06] <atouk> didn' tknow there was one...
[23:06] <atouk> link?
[23:06] <[SLB]> do you have the rpi-update command?
[23:06] <AC`97> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
[23:06] <AC`97> i dislike rpi-update
[23:07] <AC`97> it likes to kill innocent RPis around the world
[23:07] <[SLB]> aw :?
[23:07] <jmad980> So young ;_;
[23:07] <SSilver2k2> yes, its from adafruit. adafru.it/911
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[23:07] <SSilver2k2> dennistlg: yes, its from adafruit. adafru.it/911
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[23:10] <dennistlg> ok thanks
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[23:28] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120916142257.png
[23:28] <AC`97> i turned on fan.
[23:29] <dennistlg> ac`97 give me mor info about that ;-)
[23:30] <AC`97> what sort of info?
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[23:31] <dennistlg> whats the sensor for temp?
[23:32] <AC`97> internal, duh :P
[23:32] <AC`97> (inside cpu)
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[23:38] <AC`97> arrgh, temperature refuses to down below 29C
[23:39] <atouk> ty ac, all done
[23:39] <AC`97> which what all done
[23:39] <AC`97> oh. firmware
[23:39] <atouk> yup
[23:40] <atouk> didn't brick it at all ;)
[23:40] <AC`97> and now you can monitor temps without finger :D
[23:40] <AC`97> stick finger on chip to cool it down instead
[23:40] <atouk> more precise, but somehow, not as much fun
[23:40] <AC`97> it's fun to watch temp change
[23:40] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120916143546.png wheee~
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[23:49] <AC`97> anyone having false interrupt problems ??
[23:49] <AC`97> or uh... "false interrupts" is what i'm calling 'em
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[23:56] <piRocketman> My pi with stock Rasbian (august release) doesn't appear to have the rpi-update command
[23:56] <piRocketman> Is this a third party tool and what does it do exactly?
[23:57] <[SLB]> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[23:57] <piRocketman> I keep seeing references to it all over the place when searching the web for documentation on how to do various stuff on the Pi
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[23:58] <sorin7486> hey, anybody know how I can get pulseaudio to start at boot?
[23:58] <sorin7486> I have it configured to work over the network but unless I log in and start it manually it doesn't show up in avahi
[23:59] <sorin7486> the process is running though

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