#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-09-17

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[0:02] <piRocketman> Does rpi-update just update the Linux kernel and if so what is it's source? Is the kernel supplied by Hexxeh different in some way from the stock one included in official Rasbian binary?
[0:03] <piRocketman> When I do: sudo wget http://goo.gl/1BOfJ -O /usr/bin/rpi-update && chmod +x /usr/bin/rpi-update
[0:04] <piRocketman> to install it according to the instructions at https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[0:04] <piRocketman> I get an error chmod: changing permissions of `/usr/bin/rpi-update': Operation not permitted
[0:05] <techsurvivor> I don't think the && works with sudo... run sudo chmod +x separate
[0:06] <des2> do the operations separately
[0:06] <techsurvivor> well it works, but as intended, not the way you wanted it to work :)
[0:06] <piRocketman> bad instructions in the documentation, then
[0:08] <piRocketman> Someone can enlighten me as to why I should/shouldn't be using this? Is Hexxeh fixing bugs in the official kernel in Raspbian or something?
[0:09] <[SLB]> the doc expressly says as root
[0:12] <Amadiro> piRocketman, rpi-update doesn't update the kernel, just the firmware
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[0:12] <Amadiro> hm, actually, I guess it updates the kernel too
[0:13] <Amadiro> at least it seems to have a kernel.img in its repository
[0:13] <Amadiro> piRocketman, either way, you get the same thing through the debian repositories, only a little later.
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[0:14] <piRocketman> brb, rebooting
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[0:14] <dennistlg> wow internal tempsensor is working?
[0:15] <Amadiro> dennistlg, yep
[0:15] <dennistlg> where can i find more info about it?
[0:15] <Amadiro> dennistlg, `/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp`
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[0:16] <Amadiro> (`vcgemcmd` seems to do the same thing)
[0:17] <dennistlg> ok nice!
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[0:21] <dennistlg> is the readin accurat?
[0:21] <AC`97> possibly
[0:21] <dennistlg> ok ;-)
[0:21] <IT_Sean> could be
[0:21] <IT_Sean> :p
[0:21] <AC`97> i made an rpm counter for my fan :D
[0:21] <AC`97> didn't know gpio was quick enough for that...
[0:21] <trevorman> dennistlg: how accurate is accurate for you?
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[0:22] <dennistlg> +- 1?C would be enought for me
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[0:22] <trevorman> it is probably around there. won't know unless broadcom say so though.
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[0:23] <dennistlg> its good to have a possible temprature when oc in a case without airflow
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[0:23] <Amadiro> AC`97, GPIO can be pretty quick, you could probably implement USB full-speed (maybe high-speed?) just using GPIO bitbanging (without OS)
[0:23] <dennistlg> going to bed now
[0:23] <dennistlg> good night guys
[0:23] <AC`97> o.o
[0:24] <Amadiro> AC`97, the bitrate is theoretically something like CPU_FREQUENCY/3 or /2 or so
[0:24] <trevorman> dennistlg: we don't know the Tj max for the RPi so *shrug*
[0:24] <Amadiro> AC`97, 12MHz is fast enough on an AVR chip to do USB low-speed via GPIO (keyboard, mice, ...)
[0:24] <chithead> it is fast enough to emulate sd cards
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[0:25] <trevorman> timing would be easier on the AVR though. high speed would really be pushing it unless you constantly disabled interrupts when poking your GPIOs.
[0:25] <trevorman> + the GPU does its own stuff in the background which you have absolutely no control over
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[0:25] <Amadiro> trevorman, can't disable it?
[0:26] <trevorman> no
[0:26] <dennistlg> trevoman my Tj max for the soc is 85?C ;-)
[0:26] <dennistlg> r
[0:26] <trevorman> dennistlg: yeah. probably a good temp for it
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[0:32] <AC`97> heh, i just put a superfan on my pi
[0:32] <AC`97> couldn't get it below 29C before. now it's 26C
[0:32] <piRocketman> I did rpi-update and then rebooted. Appears to have fixed my crashing problem in Quake3
[0:32] <AC`97> this fan would fly away if i didn't bolt it down
[0:33] <piRocketman> Does the "firmware" that is updated by rpi-update exist somewhere on the Pi's board or is it on the SD card like everything else.
[0:33] <AC`97> sd
[0:33] <AC`97> /boot
[0:34] <Draylor> only thing on a board is enough to look in the right place on the SD card
[0:34] <piRocketman> I heard the Pi was bootstrapped by the GPU?
[0:35] <piRocketman> Just enough instructions to start reading from the SD card
[0:35] <piRocketman> and get the whole ball of wax rolling
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[0:42] <trevorman> piRocketman: it is. the first thing that runs are actually the VC cores. its not really "just enough instructions" though. the entire bootloader runs on the VC.
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[0:43] <piRocketman> I've heard of weirder ways of booting a system
[0:43] <trevorman> the SoC is more like a dual core DSP which has an ARM core bolted on the side as a app processor
[0:44] <chithead> the entire purpose of the arm processor seems to be to feed data to the gpu
[0:44] <trevorman> but *shrug* it works. understanding how the bootloader works and modifying it is difficult though as we have very little information on how the VC side of things work
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[0:45] <des2> Well it's not like it is fast enough to do anything else chithead...
[0:46] <piRocketman> In college we created a 6502 based computer which bootstrapped from a prom. We burned the prom using a battery and used the prom to read the OS from a tapedrive. The tape drive had the OS stored as audible tones which we created manually using a whistle.
[0:46] <piRocketman> Whacky eh?
[0:46] <trevorman> FSK with a whistle? huh. guess it would work but man that'd be tedious to do
[0:46] <des2> The 'Kansas City' audio tape standard....
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[0:47] <trevorman> wait wait was it whistle 1 or 2 at note 5949?
[0:47] <AC`97> so uh... i just shorted 5v to 3v3 line
[0:47] <AC`97> :(
[0:47] <des2> You were warned about that...
[0:47] <AC`97> i suck at this
[0:47] <aarossig> AC`97: and?
[0:47] <AaronMickDee> Hmm. I seen there was a port of Javascript OS to the pi. Awesome.
[0:47] <AC`97> reset.
[0:47] <AC`97> no damage to be seen yet
[0:47] <aarossig> okay, that's good
[0:47] <des2> URL aaron ?
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[0:47] <trevorman> AC`97: don't do it again :P
[0:48] <piRocketman> 2 whistles
[0:48] <AC`97> indeed
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[0:48] <piRocketman> We only had to do it right once and then we just dubbed the tapes :)
[0:48] <AaronMickDee> des2: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1787 I guess I meant Firefox OS, my bad.
[0:48] <Job-> hoping someone can help - my SD card currently has a 56mb partition and a 1.75mb partition. the 1.75 holds the pi OS, i want to make it so that I can access the remaining 13gb in both pi OS and windows (im trying to make it as a downloading machine, download on pi overnight, transfer to pc via moving sd card)
[0:49] <des2> tx Aaron
[0:49] <piRocketman> To be fair, it wasn't much of an OS :0
[0:50] <des2> I didn't even know there was a Firefox OS
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[0:50] <piRocketman> Just enough to read in hex instructions and data values from a keypad and display results on a set of 7 segment displays
[0:51] <Tu13es> hmm
[0:51] <piRocketman> Don't remember all that much truthfully, as it was a long time ago, but it gave me a healthy appreciation for assembly programming
[0:51] <Tu13es> i have a portable HDD plugged into a hub that connects to my rpi
[0:51] <Tu13es> lately it seems to be like restarting
[0:51] <Tu13es> it sounds as if it gets unplugged and plugged back in
[0:52] <Job-> is there a way I can get bnack to the "initial" screen i got when I first booted on the pi
[0:52] <des2> Is it a powered hub ?
[0:52] <Tu13es> yep
[0:52] <Job-> i told it to launch gui but now I need to go back
[0:52] <piRocketman> raspi-config
[0:52] <Tu13es> it just started recently
[0:52] <piRocketman> or sudo raspi-config rather
[0:53] <des2> Have you plugged more things into the hub recently ?
[0:53] <piRocketman> I use it to change the memsplit pretty frequently and also had to adjust the keymaps after the fact as the Pi defaults to UK mapping
[0:53] <Tu13es> nope, nothing's changed HW-wise
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[0:54] <des2> Any bad loose cables ?
[0:54] <Job-> ty piRocketman - worked :-)
[0:54] <des2> Does it happen at seemingly random tmes ?
[0:54] <Tu13es> hmm, i don't think so, but will double check
[0:54] <Tu13es> yep, seems random
[0:55] <des2> How many milliamps does the hum power supply provide ?
[0:56] <Tu13es> hmmmmmmm
[0:58] <Tu13es> i re-plugged all the cables and rebooted and it seems to have stopped for nwo
[0:58] <des2> good
[1:00] <Tu13es> ok, so, the usb drive I have is GUID partitioned. i want to leave the partition table but delete one of the partitions and create an ext4 partition. any suggestions for what tool to use?
[1:01] <Tu13es> fdisk and parted don't seem to want to do it
[1:01] <chithead> Tu13es: parted, gdisk
[1:01] <des2> gparted
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[1:02] <Tu13es> parted says it can't create an ext4 partition, and fdisk doesn't seem to like the fact that it's GUID
[1:02] <Tu13es> or should I just ignore those messages?
[1:05] <chithead> you don't create ext4 partition, you just create a linux partition without filesystem. then you run mkfs.ext4
[1:05] <Job-> anyone know of a way to force windows to detect secondary partitions of an sdcard
[1:05] <Tu13es> gotcha.
[1:05] <Job-> google unsuccessful so far
[1:07] <[SLB]> http://www.fs-driver.org/
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[1:07] <Job-> doesnt work on win7 :\
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[1:08] <[SLB]> did you try it?
[1:08] <edh> pidof rsync
[1:08] <edh> wc
[1:08] <Job-> yes [SLB]
[1:08] <Job-> let me try compatability mode
[1:08] <des2> what's on the secondary partition ?
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[1:08] <wizgrav> hi
[1:09] <[SLB]> http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs
[1:09] <[SLB]> read only anyway
[1:09] <[SLB]> hi
[1:09] <Job-> des2 im using my pi for downloading, and want to transfer to my pc after its downloaded on the pi
[1:09] <Job-> readonly all i need
[1:09] <wizgrav> has anyone tried bypassing the polyfuses with resistors?
[1:09] <wizgrav> to get the usb to supply more current
[1:10] <[SLB]> Job-, have you tried in explorer sftp://raspi_ip
[1:10] <des2> wizgrav it's called version 2
[1:10] <chithead> for the first revision, in the raspberry pi forums the mod is described
[1:11] <Job-> hmm [SLB]
[1:11] <Job-> let me try ...
[1:11] <aarossig> hey all, I'm playing with bare metal on the raspberry pi and successfully got C programs running, but I am running into the following error: undefined reference to `__aeabi_uidiv' when trying to do unsigned devision
[1:11] <des2> Job that's what they make usb flashdrives for
[1:11] <aarossig> does anyone know how to link the arm libgcc?
[1:11] <des2> What format is the SD partition ?
[1:11] <wizgrav> yeah I'm investigating if it would be feasible to connect a kinect directly to the usb port
[1:11] <[SLB]> wizgrav, http://theiopage.blogspot.it/2012/06/increasing-raspberry-pis-usb-host.html
[1:12] <wizgrav> ok thanks SLB, I guess I'll operate it
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[1:12] <[SLB]> yw
[1:12] <trevorman> wizgrav: you'd need to alter the input fuse as well with the kinect. i'd use a hub personally.
[1:13] <wizgrav> kinect doesn't like hubs much
[1:13] <wizgrav> it is a hub itself
[1:13] <trevorman> hm true
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[1:13] <trevorman> but the kinect does want a lot of power
[1:14] <wizgrav> only when the motor's working
[1:14] <trevorman> it is way more than what the input fuse will let you draw
[1:14] <wizgrav> it needs about 500mA when not
[1:14] <trevorman> 500ma is still pushing it for the rpi. the input fuse is 700ma
[1:14] <wizgrav> hmm that would be pretty tight
[1:15] <wizgrav> but it has a chance
[1:15] <trevorman> if you're modifying the board anyway then you might want to just jumper from the input before the fuse to the downstream sockets
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[1:16] <trevorman> or track down one of those old kinect PSUs
[1:16] <wizgrav> kinect PSU?
[1:17] <trevorman> the old 360s needed a special Kinect PSU which went in between it and the Kinect
[1:18] <wizgrav> kinect needs some power from the usb port for the hub to power up, the rest comes from the wall plug(when not connected to xbox with the propriatery psu)
[1:18] <Job-> ugh wtf
[1:18] <wizgrav> the 500mA must come from the usb
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[1:18] <Job-> pi is refusing all connections and I don't have a monitor hooked up -.-
[1:18] <trevorman> oh. it still needs that much power?
[1:18] <trevorman> the new 360s power the whole kinect don't they?
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[1:19] <wizgrav> yeah with a propriatery plug
[1:19] <wizgrav> it's actually just usb with more current
[1:19] <wizgrav> but patented nevertheless
[1:20] <trevorman> didn't know it still needed 500mA. thats a bit annoying considering you've got a PSU on it already
[1:20] <wizgrav> yeah it is, the asus xtion which does away with the motor audio and hub can be powered directly from usb
[1:20] <des2> It must be mad at you Job-.
[1:21] <wizgrav> but the kinect is everywhere so
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[1:21] <Job-> hmm des2, i plugged in, its "Performing an on-line resize of /dev/mmcblk0p2 to 3922688 (4k) blocks."
[1:21] <fcrick> hey all just plugged in my new toy
[1:21] <Job-> i presume thats because i told raspi-config to resize to fill the sd card
[1:21] <fcrick> now i just need to remember unix
[1:21] <des2> ah
[1:23] <trevorman> Job-: it'll take a while. don't interrupt it.
[1:23] <BCMM> fcrick: .* matches .., especially when deleting important things. that's about it i think.
[1:23] <Job-> fairly sure i unplugged it like 3 times when i couldnt remote connect trevorman (A)
[1:23] <trevorman> thats not good but not much you can do about it now...
[1:24] <fcrick> i think i'm gonna set mine up in the closet and set up remote access, and use it for irc and torrents and the like
[1:24] <fcrick> nothing too fancy
[1:25] <Job-> thats what I'm aiming for fcrick :-)
[1:25] <Job-> downloading to sdcard overnight then moving files to my main harddrive when my pc is online
[1:25] <fcrick> i guess i like the idea of a cheap reliable always-on linux box i can easily replace if it randomly dies
[1:25] <Job-> cheap download server at ??40~ with bits and bats included
[1:25] <Job-> k its laucned trevorman :P
[1:25] <Job-> all si good
[1:26] <trevorman> Job-: ages ago when the SD controller was slow, that resize would take absolutely ages
[1:26] <fcrick> would be nice to use the gpu at some point tho :/
[1:26] <trevorman> like go make a cup of tea, watch a bit of TV and then come back
[1:26] <Job-> ha
[1:26] <Job-> took like 8 mins~ i think
[1:26] <fcrick> i wonder how many years it would take to pay for itself mining bitcoins if it was leeching power somewhere
[1:27] <trevorman> its hard to generate a paying bitcoin now isn't it?
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[1:28] <fcrick> it's not too bad with amd cards if you have cheap electricity
[1:28] <Amadiro> trevorman, bitcoin value has been going up quite a bit lately
[1:28] <trevorman> yeah but the rpi is going to be several orders of magnitude slower than a GPU
[1:28] <Amadiro> It's around 12$/bitcoin nowadays
[1:28] <Amadiro> well, yeah. Use an FPGA
[1:29] <fcrick> yeah so i bet it could mine 3 btc in 5-6 years heh
[1:29] <Amadiro> fcrick, I think a bitcoin a day or every other day is not unreasonable if you have a powerful rack with, say, 2-4 GPUs
[1:30] <Amadiro> Not sure if it'd pay the electricity bills with GPUs
[1:30] <trevorman> huh. you can actually buy custom FPGA setups for bitcoin mining
[1:30] <trevorman> pricey though. $1k for 4 FPGAs and you still need something plugged into it to drive it all
[1:31] <Amadiro> trevorman, yeh, but they are extremely overpriced
[1:31] <fcrick> is there a way i can make putty work together with vim so i can use my mousewheel when running vim while ssh'd into my rpi with putty from a windoze machine?
[1:31] <Amadiro> the actual FPGAs on it are maybe worth 40$ or so, maybe 160$ at most
[1:31] <trevorman> yeah. the PCB isn't going to be complex either
[1:32] <Amadiro> trevorman, well, FPGA PCBs are inherently icky, because you need at least 4 layers and very very small vias to route the bga pins away
[1:32] <Amadiro> especially if you have high-powered FPGA devices
[1:32] <fcrick> i guess i'd probably need some sort of xwindows setup :(
[1:33] <trevorman> most of it will be NCs though so that should cut down on complexity significantly
[1:33] <Amadiro> so if you're just going to produce one, it'll easily run you over $1k, but if you produce a few thousand, it'll probably be under 20$ or 10$ per pcb
[1:33] <Amadiro> trevorman, oh, yeah, that's true
[1:33] <Amadiro> maybe you can even get away with just routing the outer layer or two (no vias required at all)
[1:33] <trevorman> the FPGA tools are always insanely priced as well unless you use some ancient or small model
[1:33] <piRocketman> I mine bitcoins
[1:34] <piRocketman> Even high end GPUs are becoming non-economical
[1:34] <piRocketman> A lot of commercial miners (not just hobbyists like me) are mining on FPGAs and ASICs are just around the corner
[1:34] <Amadiro> trevorman, just enroll to your local university, they'll probably provide you with licenses :)
[1:35] <Amadiro> piRocketman, ASICs are insanely expensive to design & produce, though, I reckon there won't be a market for at most one ASIC provider or so...
[1:35] <piRocketman> The ASICs will absolutely blow away the existing mining hardware both in terms of mhashes/sec and in terms of power efficiency
[1:35] <Amadiro> s/at most/more/
[1:35] <piRocketman> I think there are three companies that have all announced ASIC based miners for this falls
[1:36] <piRocketman> The ASICs will deliver 10's to 100's of ghashes/sec
[1:36] <trevorman> the cost of that ASIC would be crazy though
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[1:36] <piRocketman> compared to the 400-800 mhashes of a high end AMD GPU
[1:36] <Amadiro> seems like they'll have to sell in the hundred-thousands to get the initial investment back in, for high-speed ASICs you're probably looking at several mill. of initial development cost at least
[1:36] <trevorman> ^
[1:36] <Job-> (00:07:53) <+[SLB]> Job-, have you tried in explorer sftp://raspi_ip
[1:37] <piRocketman> There are people making that level of investment in bitcoin farms
[1:37] <amstan> You guys should go over to #bitcoin
[1:37] <Job-> didnt work, but filezilla sftp does ^^
[1:37] <fcrick> amstan: sorry my bad :(
[1:37] <[SLB]> cool:)
[1:37] <Job-> just need to figure out how to install pyload now ;d
[1:37] <Amadiro> Job-, you probably don't want to use explorers built-in ftp client anyway, I tried it a few times (before switching to smb), and it's extremely buggy and unstable.
[1:37] <[SLB]> eheh
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[1:37] <piRocketman> The ASICs will so completely blow the difficulty curve that GPU miners won't hardly be generating anything anymore
[1:38] <Amadiro> piRocketman, well, FPGAs should already be doing that, then?
[1:38] <piRocketman> It will only make sense if you got totally free electricity to GPU mine
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[1:38] <Amadiro> FPGAs are not necessarily a lot slower/more inefficient than ASICs, although they require a lot more power to run
[1:39] <piRocketman> FPGAs are much more power efficient but don't have drastically higher hash rates than GPUs
[1:39] <piRocketman> FPGAs also have a high initial cost
[1:39] <piRocketman> comparable to a high end GPU
[1:39] <fcrick> what would i need to do so that all the windows machines on my network would resolve 'rpi' to my rpi like they do with their own names?
[1:39] <Amadiro> piRocketman, must be bad programming, then, in principle FPGAs should not really be slower than ASICs (assuming you run them at the same clocking frequency, usually you can push ASICs to much higher frequencies, AFAIK)
[1:39] <piRocketman> So they only make sense where in terms of efficiency per watt
[1:40] <Amadiro> piRocketman, initial cost of FPGAs is really small compared to ASICs...
[1:40] <trevorman> fcrick: nmb from samba or add it to your DNS which is the better solution IMO
[1:40] <des2> fcrick do you have a router ?
[1:40] <fcrick> i do some d-link piece of junk
[1:40] <des2> Add rpi to your uter dns
[1:40] <des2> router
[1:40] <des2> Either that or give your pi a static ip and add it t the windows hosts file
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[1:40] <piRocketman> Butterfly labs highest end FPGA rig delivers 25.2 ghashes/sec @ 1250 w for $15295 initial investment
[1:41] <piRocketman> Their "single" model delivers 832 mhashes/sec @ 80 watt for $600
[1:41] <des2> so much for password security
[1:41] <piRocketman> That is roughly the same mhashes/sec as the highest end GPUs for the same initial capitol cost
[1:42] <piRocketman> but at 3x the power efficiency (80 watt versus 225 watts)
[1:42] <Amadiro> piRocketman, yeh, those are probably just extremely overpriced, you can get a high-end kintex or virtex dev board for like 1000$.
[1:42] <piRocketman> You are welcome to roll your own
[1:42] <Amadiro> piRocketman, I have my own, actually
[1:42] <Amadiro> I haven't used it for bitcoin mining yet, though
[1:43] <fcrick> des2: yeah it doesn't appear to support that :/ looks like i'll dig into ndb
[1:43] <piRocketman> Their are FPGA code examples for bitcoin mining if you want to see what yours can achieve
[1:43] <des2> fcrick does your pi have a static ip ?
[1:43] <fcrick> i think i can assign one, but i'd rather not be modifying hosts files
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[1:44] <piRocketman> Butterflylab's ASIC based solution is 1000 Ghashes/sec for $30k
[1:44] <des2> ok
[1:44] <piRocketman> Which is like 40 times the hashrate for twice the price of their highest end FPGA solution
[1:44] <Amadiro> piRocketman, I have a spartan board lying around I'm not using for anything, I might give it a whirl -- I'd expect it to spit out something like 2-4GH/s, maybe
[1:44] <des2> Your router probably supports what you want to do.
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[1:45] <piRocketman> Once ASICs hit the market, all other solutions will become worthless almost overnight
[1:45] <Amadiro> it's clocked at 500MHz
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[1:46] <piRocketman> Some of the big mining pools have hashrates in the same ballpark as that single ASIC for $30k
[1:46] <piRocketman> That is how distorting their effects will be on bitcoin mining
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[1:48] <Amadiro> piRocketman, wikipedia claims the entire bitcoin system is worth ~97 million USD, which is not a lot, we'll see whether the ASIC producers will manage to get their investments back
[1:49] <Amadiro> although, at prices like $30k...
[1:49] <fcrick> oh the Ctrl-A strikes again
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[1:49] <fcrick> i little voice piped up and said 'Ctrl-Q'!
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[1:50] <piRocketman> Deepbit is probably the largest pooled mining effort and has a hashrate of 3715 Ghashes/sec and represents maybe 14% of the total mining right now
[1:51] <piRocketman> So $30k in ASICs buys you maybe 3% of the total current bitcoin production rate
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[1:54] <piRocketman> Anyways, my $300 AMD GPU nets me around $10 of bitcoins per week
[1:54] <piRocketman> I won't debate the economics/validity of bitcoin as a system, but it has paid for my gaming card several times over at this point
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[1:55] <piRocketman> Raspberry Pi's GPU doesn't support OpenCL, etc. afaik so I don't think any of the current mining clients would even run on it
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[1:56] <piRocketman> If they did, they would probably have a hashrate in the 5-20 mhash/sec rate
[1:56] <piRocketman> You might earn $.50 a week at that rate
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[1:58] <piRocketman> Factoring in electricity costs and the cost of power adapter, sd card, etc. you would basically never pay off the cost of the Pi through mining
[1:59] <piRocketman> As the rising difficulty level and increased hashrate would cause your Pi's contribution to shrink to effectively zero.
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[2:00] <piRocketman> An optimistic estimate using bitcoindetailedcalculator.appspot.com has a Pi earning maybe $5 over the course of the next year
[2:03] <jui-feng> don't they cut mining rewards by 50% soonish?
[2:04] <piRocketman> Yeah, a block will yield 25 BTC instead of 50 sometime this fall
[2:05] <piRocketman> The amount you get for discovering a block decreases over time
[2:05] <piRocketman> Amadiro, which Spartan board do you have?
[2:05] <jui-feng> so the pi really is a bad investment if you want to mine :)
[2:05] <jui-feng> whatever, bed time, byebye
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[2:06] <piRocketman> Almost anything other than an ASIC is a bad investment at this point
[2:06] <Amadiro> piRocketman, I have a whole bunch, several with kintex & virtex, but I'm mostly using those... but I have at least one atlys spartan board lying around I'm not using for anything, possibly 3
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[2:08] <piRocketman> It looks like a Spartan-6 FPGA does about 210 mhash/s at about 10 watts
[2:09] <piRocketman> Good power efficiency
[2:09] <piRocketman> although pretty low yield rate
[2:09] <piRocketman> You would make about $5 per week running one
[2:10] <Amadiro> piRocketman, I've no clue how many logic blocks one lane would eat up, but seeing how you can easily implement something like an 8-core CPU complete with FPU on such an FPGA, I'd expect that you'd be able to easily push throughput to something like 8Gh/s, using something like 16 or more parallel lanes clocked at 500MHz
[2:11] <Amadiro> 210mhash/s seems like something you'd achieve with a single lane
[2:11] <Amadiro> probably leaving 90% of the FPGA unused
[2:11] <Amadiro> but w/e, as I said, I have no clue how complex implementing bitcoin crunching is
[2:12] <piRocketman> It is based around doing SHA256 essentially
[2:12] <Amadiro> piRocketman, how often do you need to iterate it
[2:13] <piRocketman> not sure, haven't looked into it in depth
[2:13] <piRocketman> integer calculations, but you essentially want a ton of cores working in parallel to be efficient
[2:13] <IT_Sean> Update: The object seen landing near Gale Crater on MSD 49,269 at around 05:50:16 AMT local time has been conclusively identified by the Martian Space Agency to be a weather balloon. Due to possible radioactive contamination, Mars citizens are forbidden to approach Gale Crater until further notice.
[2:14] <piRocketman> thats why GPUs (particularly AMD GPUs) are so good at it
[2:14] <piRocketman> They can be running hundreds of instances of the hashing alg in parallel
[2:14] <Amadiro> piRocketman, you wouldn't have cores at all, just a pipeline where each step does one part of the computation, then puts the data into a buffer to the next step, which operates on it on the next clock cycle, so the time for one input value to come out on the other end might be several hundreds or thousands of cycles, but once the pipeline is saturated, you'd get 1hash/clock cycle
[2:15] <piRocketman> From what I understand, Nvidia optimized their GPUs for more complex floating point operations
[2:15] <piRocketman> verses AMD is more integer oriented
[2:15] <Amadiro> and once you have that, you copypaste as many of these lanes in parallel on your fpga as you can
[2:15] <piRocketman> AMD GPUs are about 4-8 times better than the equivalently priced Nvidia GPU for Bitcoin purposes
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[2:16] <piRocketman> I am sure that the people doing FPGA mining know what they are doing and have used up all that FPGA space to good purpose
[2:17] <piRocketman> Bitcoing mining is quite competitive at the high end
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[3:34] <Job-> is there a way to force a program to run with sudo
[3:34] <Job-> its getting errors witohut
[3:34] <Job-> like, a menu item
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[3:36] <electronplusplus> Hi guys
[3:37] <electronplusplus> I've a raspberry PI without hdmi
[3:37] <electronplusplus> how can I find the ip address?
[3:38] <fcrick> electronplusplus: do you have a router?
[3:38] <fcrick> electronplusplus: i just looked on the dhcp leases list on mine
[3:38] <electronplusplus> I've and I'm feeling really stupid about it. the router is in the room of my flatmate and he's fucking with his girlfriend so??? pretty annoying...
[3:39] <electronplusplus> fcrick: that was my initial thoung??? I've tried to modify the sd card in order to configure the network file
[3:40] <electronplusplus> but it's an IMG
[3:40] <hermanhermitage> haha
[3:40] <fcrick> umm...how did you put the image on the sdcard?
[3:41] <Dagger2> `ping6 ff02::1%eth0`, and try each IP in turn?
[3:41] <hermanhermitage> what OS you running
[3:41] <Dagger2> or `nmap -sP`
[3:41] <hermanhermitage> check the arp tables or run a port scanner
[3:42] <electronplusplus> mac os
[3:42] <hermanhermitage> try "arp -a"
[3:42] <hermanhermitage> just in case there has been some traffic
[3:42] <electronplusplus> one moment, I've to turn it on
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[3:46] <fcrick> electronplusplus: it kinda sounded by what you said that you just copied the img file onto the sd card
[3:47] <fcrick> which is not gonna do much if that's the case
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[3:50] <hermanhermitage> electronplus: you can mount raw img files on the mac
[3:50] <hermanhermitage> but you would probably need an ext4 filesystem driver as well
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[3:55] <ksx4system> is arm240_start.elf really broken? I took it from official git repo on github.com and I'm running Raspbian
[3:56] <ksx4system> I'm not able to boot with this kernel, arm224_start.elf boots perfectly
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[3:56] <electronplusplus> Dagger2: no luck with the ping6
[3:56] <hermanhermitage> run a scanner
[3:57] <hermanhermitage> what ports do you have open?
[3:57] <electronplusplus> already did that
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[3:57] <electronplusplus> the wheezy has a ssh server by default
[3:57] <Dagger2> :( I guess the IPv6 module isn't loaded by default
[3:57] <Dagger2> because who would ever want IPv6. in 2012.
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[3:58] <hermanhermitage> hah blame the idiots who came up with the IPV6 numbering
[3:58] <electronplusplus> what the default network configuration?
[3:58] <Dagger2> ... what's wrong with IPv6 numbering?
[3:58] <hermanhermitage> you can tell by the rate of adoption
[3:59] <Dagger2> no, I can't. the rate of adoption tells me that people prefer to stick their head in the sand where possible
[3:59] <hermanhermitage> aha
[4:01] <Dagger2> so, go on, what's wrong with it?
[4:01] <hermanhermitage> as i said the proof is in the pudding
[4:02] <Dagger2> I get the impression you don't actually know a problem with it
[4:03] <hermanhermitage> it is not fit for human consumption
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[4:03] <megatog615> is it possible to have an ram split closer to 0 mem for the gpu?
[4:03] <megatog615> like, 8mb for the gpu?
[4:03] <Dagger2> www.sprint.net has address
[4:03] <Dagger2> www.sprint.net has IPv6 address 2600::
[4:03] <hermanhermitage> megatog615: not at the moment
[4:03] <Dagger2> right... yes, there's no way I can consume that
[4:03] <megatog615> i run my pi headless and i really dont want to waste any ram for the cpu
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[4:04] <Dagger2> and at any rate that's what DNS is for. humans *don't* consume IPs, even with IPv4
[4:04] <hermanhermitage> on the contrary
[4:04] <hermanhermitage> humans enter IP addresses on regular basis
[4:04] <hermanhermitage> take it from someone that writes tcp ip drivers
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[4:05] <Dagger2> are you suggesting that "2600::" is difficult to enter?
[4:05] <hermanhermitage> i debug wince bringing up a new platform, what do i enter? i enter IP addresses
[4:05] <hermanhermitage> i set a gateway, what do i enter? i enter an ip address
[4:05] <hermanhermitage> i configure a dhcp range, what do i do? i enter an ip address
[4:05] <hermanhermitage> what i rarely do is enter mac addresses
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[4:06] <Dagger2> there are automatic config mechanisms for IPv6, so you don't need to manually enter anything
[4:06] <hermanhermitage> it works so well everyone has adopted it!
[4:06] <hermanhermitage> clown
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[4:08] <Dagger2> ... why didn't he just tell me what was wrong them them, rather than beat about the bush, insult me and then run away? :/
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[4:09] <trevorman> he'll be the one wanting to do CGN and then wonder why nothing works properly
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[4:22] <megatog615> anyone know where to get little ntsc-compatible rca-input screens like on adafruit.com for cheaper than what they have?
[4:23] <megatog615> because $40 for a 1.5" screen is robbery
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[4:28] <steve_rox> fun
[4:29] <steve_rox> theres allways the 3.5 ones on ebay but they are not so clear ,i assume theres have a lot more pixels
[4:29] <steve_rox> *on adafruit ones
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[4:33] <megatog615> i am thinking of building a garage jukebox and i just need a small screen
[4:33] <megatog615> i would run android on it, probably
[4:33] <megatog615> unless someone has a better idea
[4:33] <megatog615> i can always use an old tv if i can't find anything
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[4:36] <piRocketman> I used a lot of Xenarc screens for carputer type use. A lot of their VGA models also have composite input and can be found pretty cheap on ebay
[4:37] <piRocketman> and have 848*600 resolution or thereabouts
[4:40] <aarossig> Does anyone know why the UART would always stay high (verified with my oscilloscope) when interfacing with it in bare metal code?
[4:44] <johanbr> megatog615: maybe something like this could work: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-2-8-TFT-LCD-Module-Display-STM32-Development-Board-USB-Cable-CD-ROM-High/603329895.html
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[4:48] <piRocketman> I would stick to something with HDMI input. Component is seriously low res/fuzzy and making out fonts is too difficult unless you make them ridiculously large.
[4:49] <piRocketman> Too bad there isn't VGA out on the Pi, as everyone has a spare VGA monitor sitting in their garage.
[4:49] <megatog615> well, i'm also afraid that if i run android on it, it will use the tablet-oriented mode and everything will be really small
[4:50] <chithead> they should have put displayport on it, cheap (as in cost less than the pi) adapters convert to dvi, hdmi and vga
[4:50] <megatog615> does android pick which display mode to use based on detected max resolution?
[4:52] <steve_rox> thought that said garage junkbox ,damn my eyes
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[4:57] <nsgn> probably a stupid question but...how do you adjust the volume in raspbian?
[4:58] <Hodapp> alsamixer?
[5:00] <piRocketman> I wonder if any of these usb -> VGA adapters are supported
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[5:01] <piRocketman> Have to use through a hub for sure
[5:01] <nsgn> there's generally a lot of CPU overhead with such adapters, assuming there were even proper drivers
[5:01] <nsgn> i'm using two of them off a full blown windows box right now and it is slaughtering the CPU to run them whenever anything moves/changes
[5:01] <Hodapp> Linux got drivers for a few of them, I think
[5:02] <nsgn> like..the computer runs, but it lags
[5:02] <piRocketman> It is probably having to compress the frame in software before sending it through the usb connection.
[5:02] <nsgn> yup
[5:02] <nsgn> i also notice it murders my USB bus on the computer
[5:03] <nsgn> transfers from flash drives go dog slow when these adapters are in use
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[5:03] <nsgn> they pretty much push the limits of USB, i think. albeit i'm using two of them to run 1080 displays off an atom pc... :D
[5:03] <nsgn> + running a 720 screen off the built in video
[5:03] <aarossig> nsgn: it is nice when you have a separate USB controller for those
[5:03] <nsgn> yeah, i don't on this atom. if i had room for that i'd put a separate video card :D
[5:04] <megatog615> is audio still fuzzy on the headphone jack?
[5:04] <nsgn> bah, darn the pi's analog audio output. the only feature i dislike on the pi
[5:04] <nsgn> ha wow, i was just typing that not knowing you were asking that
[5:04] <megatog615> :X
[5:04] <nsgn> answer is yes. it is not a software issue. it is hardware
[5:05] <aarossig> what is the problem?
[5:05] <piRocketman> line noise from other components, I assume.
[5:05] <nsgn> apparently its there for super super basic usage. it's basically useless for anything real, as far as i can tell, unless someone wants to correct me
[5:05] <nsgn> there's hardcore noise from other components, and output is something like 8 or 16khz sample rate. it sounds like AM radio, basically
[5:05] <AC`97> generating tones?
[5:05] <aarossig> it is a PWM driver.. so if it is filtered correctly should be clean
[5:05] <aarossig> oh.. yeah, that's always fun
[5:06] <nsgn> it'd do fine for generating tones, but actual music through it leaves something to be desired
[5:06] <nsgn> which leaves us going for USB audio adapters
[5:07] <nsgn> anyone used one that sounded nice? i had one i found in my shop but it sounded horrible too, used throgh a PI or through a windows pc. apparently super cheap sound cards just sound like crap
[5:07] <aarossig> you mean you don't own a pair of HDMI headphones?
[5:07] <AC`97> ^ lol
[5:07] <AC`97> nsgn: i have two of the same cheapies that sound good
[5:08] <nsgn> what model? i'm wanting to be sure what i buy is pi compatible and has high quality output
[5:08] <atouk> ac, what's the normal temp for your pi
[5:08] <AC`97> and they're actually powerful enough to drive a pair of full sized speakers
[5:08] <aarossig> I'm still baffled as to why I can't get GPIO14 and 15 working
[5:08] <AC`97> atouk: http://ss.edited.us/120916200323.png
[5:08] <AC`97> that's in a closed case with a small hole + a huge fan on that hole
[5:08] <AC`97> 12v fan running at 3.3v
[5:09] <AC`97> (switches on at 42C)
[5:09] <aarossig> is this a graph of temperature?
[5:09] <atouk>
[5:09] <AC`97> the number at the bottom is in seconds
[5:09] <AC`97> aarossig: yah.
[5:09] <atouk> about the same here
[5:09] <aarossig> AC`97: sweet jesus/
[5:09] <aarossig> that's nice
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[5:09] <nsgn> AC`97, mind giving model number of that usb audio card you're using? i want to buy one someone has found to work nicely with pi
[5:10] <AC`97> nsgn: it's the regular black ones sold on ebay
[5:10] <aarossig> AC`97: might want to take out the call to phpinfo()
[5:10] <AC`97> aarossig: where? XD
[5:10] <aarossig> AC`97: at the bottom of the page!?
[5:10] <aarossig> lol
[5:10] <atouk> just a farting around page
[5:10] <aarossig> hmm
[5:10] <AC`97> aarossig: oh. that belongs to atouk
[5:11] <aarossig> I wonder if I can heat it up
[5:11] <aarossig> hahaha, don't worry
[5:11] <AC`97> aarossig: nice yes > /dev/null
[5:11] <atouk> getting the handle on passing between webpage and pi for a remote antenna control box
[5:11] <aarossig> looks good
[5:11] <nsgn> AC`97, sorry to bother, but...every one of the 500 different models on ebay seems to be black. would you be able to take a picture or show me a link to the one you've used with success?
[5:11] <aarossig> i thought that was webgl at first
[5:11] <aarossig> i was dissapointed...
[5:11] <nsgn> i just want to avoid buying a lame one, as the few i've found people mention with the pi online don't get such nice words
[5:12] <aarossig> base64 encoded images -- nice
[5:12] <AC`97> nsgn: http://www.ebay.com/itm/External-USB-2-0-To-3D-Audio-Sound-Card-Adapter-7-1-ch-/300503465055 i guess it's not actually black :P
[5:12] <AC`97> buttons may be cheap, but who needs button anyways? :P
[5:13] <nsgn> haha. virtual 7.1, eh?
[5:13] <aarossig> yeah man, virtual!
[5:13] <AC`97> you can also "reprogram" the volume buttons to do other stuff
[5:13] <nsgn> but you say it produces approximately cd quality sound out of the pi without issue?
[5:13] <nsgn> oh thats cool i guess
[5:14] <AC`97> nsgn: it's quite clear with headphones, and can drive big speakers too
[5:14] <nsgn> AC`97, excellent. thank you so much for the good info. i'll pick one up
[5:14] <AC`97> bump the volume up on speakers, and it starts to get distortion XD
[5:14] <nsgn> well, that may be your speakers :D
[5:14] <AC`97> lol
[5:14] <nsgn> there's a point where a real hot input can overdrive
[5:14] <AC`97> i use a 50w amplifier for my speakers
[5:15] <AC`97> when i use the usb audio dongle, i bypass the amp
[5:15] <aarossig> ...
[5:15] <AC`97> and use the dongle to drive the speakers direct
[5:15] <aarossig> AC`97: seriously?
[5:15] <AC`97> yes, seriously
[5:15] <AC`97> i just wanted to try it out
[5:15] <aarossig> you're probably killing the device
[5:15] <AC`97> my very first ever sound card in the computer world could drive 4 ohm speakers
[5:15] <aarossig> there is no way it is designed to drive 4 or 8 ohm impedances
[5:15] <aarossig> AC`97: same here
[5:15] <nsgn> its actually pretty hard to kill that kind of output that way. the whole situation is so underpowered
[5:16] <nsgn> but speakers you drive happily from a 50w amp may not be so huge anyhow
[5:16] <AC`97> they're kinda small :P
[5:16] <AC`97> i have more huge speakers that are more efficient
[5:16] <AC`97> (higher db raiting)
[5:16] <AC`97> (or uh.. sensitivity*)
[5:16] <aarossig> efficiency was enough
[5:17] <aarossig> higher unit loudness per unit power
[5:17] <AC`97> yah. lost the correct term for that XD
[5:17] <aarossig> AC`97 is a very relevant nick currently
[5:17] <aarossig> as we discuss audio
[5:18] * AC`97 buzzes at aarossig
[5:18] * AC`97 chitters and beeps in the background
[5:18] <nsgn> so it turns out mumble runs very well on the pi..and if i can get a decent audio output i now have a way to stream very low latency audio to a pi
[5:18] * aarossig tries to locate a driver for AC'97
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[5:19] <willdont> ty, PiBot.
[5:19] <AC`97> O.o
[5:19] <aarossig> tbh.. those noises were due to poor implementation of filtering, I imagine that the AC`97 chipset actually had little to do with the noises
[5:19] <AC`97> s/chipset/codec/
[5:19] <aarossig> yes
[5:19] <aarossig> thanks for that, was about to throw that in :P
[5:19] <AC`97> (:
[5:19] <AC`97> when i bought my first new computer, the first thing i did was to buy the cheapest pci sound card i could find. 100% better.
[5:20] <aarossig> i have noticed that as well, the cheaper sound cards tend to work quite well
[5:21] <AC`97> it still had white noise in the background though, heh..
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[5:22] <hacked``> guys
[5:23] <nsgn> girls
[5:23] <hacked``> can anyone tell me if model RASPBRRY-PCBA have f1/f2 polyfuses?
[5:23] <steve_rox> what pcba
[5:24] <hacked``> not sure
[5:24] <hacked``> looking at ebay auction
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[5:26] <AC`97> hacked``: we don't know and we won't know
[5:26] <AC`97> until you buy it and let us know :D
[5:27] <hacked``> sux
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[5:27] <nsgn> man. mumble is the bomb. just amazing what it does, and how efficient it is
[5:27] <aarossig> nsgn: does it add the waves on the server?
[5:28] <aarossig> as in.. do I need to download 8 voice streams when in a room with 8 other people?
[5:28] <steve_rox> i have mumble server on my pi
[5:28] <steve_rox> real time voip i guess
[5:29] <nsgn> aarossig, combines on server, yes
[5:29] <nsgn> aarossig, i've seen other programs for streaming voice/music like this but i've never ever seen one that actually nails like..10 to 20ms latency. consistently
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[5:31] <steve_rox> the cpu useage dident really move on 3 test clients for me
[5:31] <hacked``> do you guys think this board is genuine? http://www.ebay.com/itm/RASPBERRY-PI-MODEL-B-BOARD-ONLY-COMPUTER-83T1943-/380471025862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5895d720c6
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[5:31] <AC`97> yes
[5:31] <AC`97> i didn't even click though.
[5:31] <AC`97> it IS sold by a trusted seller
[5:31] <AC`97> in fact, i bought my pi from the same company
[5:32] <reportingsjr> hmm, I am having issues with my r.pi guys
[5:32] <AC`97> reportingsjr: which what issue?
[5:32] <AC`97> false interrupt triggering?
[5:32] <hacked``> oic, did you get a board with f1/f2 polyfuses?
[5:32] <reportingsjr> nope, hold on
[5:32] <AC`97> hacked``: of course i did. all RPis had those fuses back then.
[5:32] <reportingsjr> I just set it up after forgetting the password. I have ssh'ed in to an account I created succefully, but when I try to use `su` to log in to the root account and try either the password I KNOW I set, or the default password (raspberry) it gives me an authentication failure.
[5:33] <reportingsjr> Is the default root password not raspberry? Also, sorry, I am using the aug. 16th release of raspbian.
[5:33] <AC`97> reportingsjr: did you try sudo? and what distro?
[5:33] <AC`97> oh. raspbian. try sudo su
[5:33] <hacked``> AC97, did you want me to assume when you bought your pi?
[5:33] <reportingsjr> can't sudo since I am not in the sudoers file (and I need su for that)
[5:33] <AC`97> hacked``: yes.
[5:33] <hacked``> k
[5:33] <AC`97> that listing has only been there for a couple days
[5:33] <hacked``> k
[5:34] <hacked``> how do you know listing length
[5:34] <reportingsjr> AC`97: I can't sudo =\
[5:34] <AC`97> i bought 4 more from them though
[5:34] <AC`97> hacked``:
[5:34] <AC`97> Time left:
[5:34] <AC`97> 26d 12h (Oct 13, 2012 09:12:21 PDT)
[5:34] <AC`97> doh! paste fail
[5:34] <reportingsjr> AC`97: I tried ssh'ing in as pi (pi@192... correct ip address) and when I try raspberry I get authentication failure
[5:34] <hacked``> AC`97: FYI, that was a paste fail
[5:35] <reportingsjr> arrgghhh
[5:35] <AC`97> >.>
[5:35] <nsgn> pi noob question; how do i update the OS? i thought there was some rpi-update or the like but it doesnt seem to work for me?
[5:35] <reportingsjr> AC`97: I am sorry. I just tried the password I set for the pi user and logged in. Thank you for the help!
[5:35] <AC`97> :P
[5:35] <reportingsjr> nsgn: From a shell run `sudo apt-get update` and when that has completed `sudo apt-get upgrade`
[5:35] <reportingsjr> nsgn: I am assuming you are using a linux distro
[5:36] <AC`97> yes, assumptions assumptions
[5:36] <atouk> and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[5:36] <steve_rox> i need to update firmware sometime but i read it buggers up /boot
[5:36] <nsgn> yes. raspbian
[5:36] <hacked``> i like that CAD > USD, $33 = $35
[5:36] <AC`97> steve_rox: i did mine manually
[5:36] <AC`97> rpi-update did indeed bugger up my /boot
[5:36] <nsgn> reportingsjr, so there isnt anything pi specific? just update/upgrade?
[5:36] <steve_rox> i have limited exp in linux
[5:36] <atouk> and do the firmware update, or AC will yell at you and make fun of you
[5:37] <reportingsjr> atouk: Has the version been updated on any of them that much?
[5:37] <AC`97> temperature sensing.
[5:37] <nsgn> what is the firmware update?
[5:37] <steve_rox> lets you know if its gonna go boom i guess
[5:37] <AC`97> and stops overclock after a certain temp
[5:37] <des2> nsgn: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
[5:38] <steve_rox> you could make a pyton script that says warp core breech in 10 seconds,, then cpu goes boom
[5:38] <nsgn> and will it bugger up boot? :D
[5:38] <AC`97> nsgn: also, "Reduce PWM fifo threshold to avoid losing 0.4% of samples. "
[5:38] <AC`97> that might make audio sound bettar
[5:38] <atouk> ac, are there docs on vcgencmd
[5:38] <piRocketman> Does anyone know a way to install OpenOffice or LibreOffice on the latest Raspbian?
[5:38] <steve_rox> some office tool on pi may be handy
[5:39] <piRocketman> sudo apt-get install openoffice.org forwards to libreoffice, but libreoffice has unmet dependencies
[5:39] <reportingsjr> weird
[5:39] <reportingsjr> anyone know why if I created a user via root it would not give me a directory in /home?
[5:39] <piRocketman> I know openoffice had been running fine on the previous squeeze release
[5:39] <piRocketman> but not wheezy, apparently
[5:39] <AC`97> reportingsjr: no skeleton files?
[5:39] <atouk> depends on how you created teh user
[5:39] <AC`97> reportingsjr: what command did you use??
[5:40] <nsgn> annnnd i just locked up X hard. wasnt even doing anything
[5:40] <AC`97> curse this stupid question mark key. it keeps rotating around
[5:40] <nsgn> audio i had going kept playing, but no more keyboard/mouse response and everything on screen froze
[5:40] <reportingsjr> AC`97: useradd
[5:40] <AC`97> reportingsjr: try adduser
[5:40] <des2> you want openoffice on the rpi? You are a glutton for punishment.
[5:41] <AC`97> nsgn: ssh still work??
[5:41] <atouk> may have to delete the use you created or you'll get an error if yo use same name
[5:41] <nsgn> AC`97, dunno. i just rebooted it :)
[5:41] <reportingsjr> AC`97: Wtf, why are there two different commands?1
[5:41] <piRocketman> Best I can do right now is Abiword and Gnumeric
[5:41] <atouk> it's linux, there's two of everything
[5:42] <steve_rox> well you cant install ms office thats for sure , it needs like 6gb+ram to write a text file
[5:42] <steve_rox> :-P
[5:44] <nsgn> is there anywhere firmware changes for the pi are logged? are they cut as releases or just compiled nightly or something?
[5:44] <AC`97> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commits/master
[5:44] <nsgn> perfect. ty. ha looks like today's commit specifically addresses pwm and audio?
[5:45] <AC`97> indeed
[5:45] <AC`97> i cloning now for download om nom nom
[5:45] <nsgn> sweet. loading it up. thanks
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[5:46] <nsgn> so every time i run rpi-update it gets the very latest committed changes, or do they package on some interval?
[5:47] <AC`97> well, the actual files are hosted on another git thing, so i suppose it's on intervals
[5:47] <nsgn> aw crap, so i may not get that pwm update, eh?
[5:47] <nsgn> is there a way to ask my pi for its current firmware package date or something?
[5:47] <AC`97> update manually :P
[5:49] <des2> only 1 left: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RASPBERRY-PI-MODEL-B-BOARD-ONLY-COMPUTER-83T1943-/380471025862
[5:49] <nsgn> nevermind, it seems its at /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd version
[5:50] <AC`97> version 336971 (release)
[5:50] <AC`97> (Sep 13 2012 22:32:41)
[5:50] <nsgn> and when did you last rpi-update?
[5:50] <AC`97> probably sept 13 or 14
[5:50] <AC`97> well, i didn't use rpi-update though
[5:50] <nsgn> sweet. mine reads sometime from this afternoon
[5:50] <AC`97> it borked boots XD
[5:50] <nsgn> so it seems they package pretty frequently
[5:51] <nsgn> i just used rpi-update and my boot is unborked
[5:51] <AC`97> i'm doing it manually >:D
[5:51] <dennistlg> good morning guys
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[5:57] <AC`97> uh oh. major problem.
[5:57] <AC`97> [15857.313805] mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt - cmd12.
[5:57] <AC`97> [15857.314523] mmcblk0: error -110 sending stop command, original cmd response 0x900, card status 0xf00
[5:57] <AC`97> card access led on. can't run any more programs that start from sd
[5:58] <AC`97> ... all because of an rsync
[5:59] * AC`97 pulls plug
[5:59] <AC`97> amazing. it still boots!~
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[6:03] <AC`97> aw boogers. same problem again
[6:04] <AC`97> no boot this time
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[6:05] <btcbuy314> how come my file system is full all of a sudden? im pretty sure i have enough space to add a text file. is my disk corrupted or something is there a check i can do?
[6:05] <megatog615> lol
[6:06] <AC`97> btcbuy314: probably corrupted ??
[6:06] <megatog615> AC`97: i was thinking of just modifying an old broken pair of logitech headphones
[6:06] <megatog615> that have a usb connector
[6:07] <btcbuy314> how can i fix it?
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[6:09] <AC`97> oh great. my /boot is screwd
[6:10] <AC`97> even fsck refuses to fix it now. *** buffer overflow detected ***: fsck.vfat terminated
[6:13] <AC`97> annnnd my pi is alive again!
[6:13] <AC`97> thank god for backups.
[6:13] <AC`97> or actually, thank myself >:D
[6:14] <AC`97> ewwwwwww
[6:14] <AC`97> audio still sounds bad
[6:15] <AC`97> actually, i fail. didn't actually update my firmware, LOL
[6:17] <megatog615> eh?
[6:17] <megatog615> audio from where?
[6:17] <AC`97> from RPi
[6:17] <AC`97> it's atrocious
[6:18] <asaru> nice word
[6:18] <AC`97> ty
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[6:19] <AC`97> Receiving objects: 2% (531/19462), 28.47 MiB | 1.47 MiB/s
[6:19] <AC`97> D:<
[6:19] <AC`97> it's gonna take forever
[6:19] <asaru> hrm
[6:19] <asaru> i can only get about 30k/s transferring files to my pi over ftp
[6:20] <AC`97> cpu usage on pi?
[6:20] <des2> that's really slow
[6:20] <asaru> i know
[6:20] <asaru> pure-ftpd, files are transferring to external usb drive
[6:21] <asaru> load average: 1.01, 0.95, 0.61
[6:21] <AC`97> ouch.
[6:22] <AC`97> what's pegging your cpu?
[6:22] <asaru> xbmc 26%
[6:22] <asaru> pi is runnign xbian
[6:23] <AC`97> ...
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[6:26] <asaru> dunno
[6:26] <asaru> cpu usage aside it shouldnt be this slow
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[6:37] <nsgn> AC`97, well, it seems unfortunately the latest firmware and software dont imrpove audio output in any notable way
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[6:40] <AC`97> i'm still manually upgrading XD
[6:40] <nerxgas> hi
[6:40] <AC`97> done. restarting.
[6:40] <nerxgas> i ordered 2 pi's
[6:40] <AC`97> i ordered more
[6:40] <nsgn> nerxgas, congrats. i did the same last week and have no regrets after having them a few days
[6:41] <nerxgas> :) i have a beagle board
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[6:41] <nsgn> ok
[6:42] <AC`97> nsgn: what's your /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd version ??
[6:42] <AC`97> mine is still Sep 13 2012 22:32:41 wtfbbq
[6:42] <nsgn> mine is sep 16 2012 14:something de somethin
[6:43] <nsgn> going by memory. not in convenient spot to grab it. but after doing rpi-update i got what seems to be a very recent one. whether or not it was quite recent enough to include the PWM commit or whether that just cant overcome the hardware limits of analog out i dont know..but the audio sure as heck is NOT improved
[6:43] <AC`97> nsgn: paste me output of md5sum /boot/* ? :D
[6:45] <AC`97> ohcrap, i see
[6:45] <AC`97> i forgot to copy my start.elf
[6:46] <AC`97> DOH
[6:46] <nsgn> hmm..does netsurf really not support javascript?
[6:46] <nsgn> or am i just doing something wrong. i've got a page i wrote that runs javascript that displays but is dead inactive in netsurf
[6:47] <AC`97> Sep 16 2012 14:37:55 yay
[6:48] <AC`97> nsgn: audio is 99% better now
[6:48] <nsgn> that's the exact one i have
[6:48] <nsgn> audio is no better for me
[6:48] <nsgn> wtf
[6:48] <AC`97> well, my audio is at least not skipping samples now
[6:48] <nsgn> mine isnt skipping samples
[6:48] <AC`97> and is much more quiet at lower volumes too
[6:49] <nsgn> but it has lots of other stuff on top of it. pops and snaps and buzzes
[6:49] <AC`97> crap. just got a pop.
[6:49] <nsgn> which change as i ask for onscreen changes
[6:49] <nsgn> like..i can hear the pi's operations through audio to some degree
[6:49] <AC`97> oh wow
[6:49] <nsgn> interference more than sample skips
[6:49] <AC`97> do you use headphones?
[6:49] <nsgn> yes
[6:49] <AC`97> oh. hmm
[6:50] <AC`97> i don't think i've ever gotten any audio interference before
[6:50] <nsgn> decent ones at that (senn HD280pro)
[6:50] <AC`97> i'm using a very cheap pair of headphones XD
[6:50] <AC`97> because the audio was crappy anyways
[6:50] <nsgn> yeah. i may be able to hear a lot more faults on these things :D. they're super clear headphones
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[6:51] <AC`97> i have a HD205 on my desk too
[6:51] <nsgn> yay senn
[6:51] <AC`97> indeed.
[6:52] <nsgn> these headphones have ruined my ability to listen on most other headphones sub $300
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[6:52] <nsgn> once i used them a time or two in actual audio production work...absolutely impossible to go to anything lower. and honestly they're considered far from the nicest one can buy
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[6:53] <nsgn> but somehow they bring out every imperfection the pi's output has to offer
[6:54] <AC`97> have you tried inserting a preamp in between?
[6:54] <nsgn> is there a nicer browser someone can recommend for raspbian?
[6:54] <AC`97> perhaps impedance isn't right
[6:54] <AC`97> nsgn: links, elinks :P
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[6:55] <nsgn> i've got a decent headphone pre. havent tried it yet
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[6:55] <nsgn> i need a browser that supports javascript as apparently the pre-included one does not
[6:55] <AC`97> elinks supports javascipt to a limited degree
[6:55] <nsgn> downloaded mozilla seamonkey but it wont run for some reason
[6:55] <AC`97> ... if you like 100% text
[6:55] <AC`97> nsgn: er, downloaded from where?
[6:56] <nsgn> seamonkey-project.org
[6:56] <AC`97> ...
[6:56] <AC`97> did you compile it?
[6:56] <nsgn> it was a binary
[6:56] <nsgn> which i thought was a little odd for being distributed from the site that way
[6:56] <AC`97> lol
[6:56] <nsgn> i tried first to apt-get it and it would not run
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[6:56] <nsgn> wait, late night stupids
[6:56] <nsgn> apt-get said no such package
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[6:57] <AC`97> indeed
[6:58] <nsgn> so is there a package for something like firefox or seamonkey or the like that will run in x on the pi? i want to display some info on screens using pre-written software of mine but it relies on client side javascript to poll the data
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[7:01] <nsgn> AC`97, wait nevermind i'm dumb. midori comes pre installed and supports javascript
[7:01] <nsgn> durrrr
[7:01] <AC`97> ...
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[7:01] <nsgn> although it runs javascript reaaaaaallly slow
[7:01] <AC`97> so, i'm getting pops when using pianobar
[7:01] <AC`97> ick
[7:03] <nsgn> revising my javascript to tell it to request less frequently, retrying
[7:05] <nsgn> turns out refreshing 12 pretty low res jpegs on even a 2 second interval maxes the pi's CPU in midori
[7:05] <AC`97> indeed
[7:05] <AC`97> have you tried gif instead of jpeg?
[7:06] <nsgn> i'm pretty surprised that is considered overkill for the pi. i feel like this browser must use some less than efficient handling for this, because that really is not a tall order
[7:06] <nsgn> cant use gif. its an app for displaying webcams and the source is in jpeg
[7:06] <AC`97> ah i see..
[7:06] <nsgn> i'd have to do some kind of server side on the fly conversion to gif..not worth it just for this since using windows or another higher power linux box to run the display runs it smooth
[7:06] <AC`97> can i take a look? :D
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[7:07] <nsgn> it runs internally only. if you're not on our lan or one of its tunneled remote location the server won't talk to you
[7:07] <AC`97> doh
[7:08] <nsgn> security :)
[7:08] <nsgn> i wrote a little proxy for it that lets my iphone view the cameras when i'm off network, but it is different code than the heads up display runs on
[7:08] <nsgn> though i'm working on merging those and running all heads up through the proxy so i can cache and reduce load on the camera server ^_^
[7:09] <nsgn> anyhow, thats enough play for me tonight. sleep time
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[7:16] <AC`97> wheww, i plugged in usb dongle.
[7:16] <AC`97> MUCH better audio
[7:17] <AC`97> same cpu usage, but no more pops
[7:17] <AC`97> even if i peg the cpu on purpose to make audio skip, it doesn't pop :D
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[7:26] <SpeedEvil> :-)
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[7:38] <tehtrb> AC`97: over 3.5mm sounds is ok w/ ext. sound card ?
[7:40] <AC`97> tehtrb: yep.
[7:40] <AC`97> still some skips though, due to cpu usage
[7:40] <AC`97> pianobar uses lots of cpu :|
[7:42] <tehtrb> AC`97: but no more annoying cracks in the middle of playback ?
[7:42] <tehtrb> i'm using this baby to play internet radi 24/7
[7:42] <AC`97> no cracks/pops at all :D
[7:42] <tehtrb> yay
[7:42] <tehtrb> what card ? / drivers ?
[7:42] <AC`97> Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0d8c:000c C-Media Electronics, Inc. Audio Adapter
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[7:44] <AC`97> well uh.. this is weird
[7:44] <tehtrb> did u have to install any additional driver or such
[7:44] <AC`97> i'm getting a crapload of skips with pianobar on pogoplug
[7:44] <AC`97> no [manual] drivers needed
[7:46] <tehtrb> hm even tho my pi is back i think i'll purchase a pandaboard
[7:46] <tehtrb> integrated wifi & bluetooth, hey ....
[7:46] <tehtrb> gtg to work now, ttyl
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[8:21] <nerxgas> did they fix the audio issues with ics?
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[8:47] <DarkTherapy> how easy is it to clone my sd card to save as a backup?
[8:47] <PiRocketman> Anyone fooled around with any form of automated process CPU use limiting?
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[8:47] <PiRocketman> I find it pretty easy to spike my Pi's usage for long periods of time and cause the system to go unresponsive.
[8:48] <AC`97> PiRocketman: watchdog
[8:48] <AC`97> woof woof
[8:49] <PiRocketman> I am not interested in having something auto-reboot the system
[8:49] <DarkTherapy> can I just copy everything from
[8:49] <PiRocketman> More something that does rate limiting on a per process basis
[8:50] <DarkTherapy> the sd cards partitions
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[8:50] <PiRocketman> DarkTherapy, you probably want something that will image the whole SD card to a disk image file.
[8:50] <DarkTherapy> ok
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[8:51] <PiRocketman> dd command would do it if you have another Linux box which you can insert your SD card into periodically
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[8:51] <lkthomas> hey guys
[8:51] <AC`97> PiRocketman: archlinux?
[8:51] <DarkTherapy> yeh I have a Linux box I could use
[8:52] <lkthomas> so the GPIO pin could be input or output right ?
[8:52] <PiRocketman> I am using Raspbian, AC97
[8:52] <DarkTherapy> lkthomas: yes
[8:53] <DarkTherapy> gpio = general purpose input output
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> Game Port IO.
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[8:56] <PiRocketman> Anyone played around with Raspbmc
[8:56] <PiRocketman> ???
[8:56] <lkthomas> am I too stupid to program GPIO using bash ?
[8:57] <PiRocketman> I installed it on an SD card and my Pi has booted to a gui screen with Pictures/Videos/Sound and other menu options, but moving the mouse and interacting via keyboard appears disabled/non-functional.
[8:59] <techsurvivor> lkthomas: not stupid, it's not too particularly efficient but if it suits your needs
[8:59] <fairuz> Ikt what happened?
[9:00] <lkthomas> techsurvivor: I don't know other programming language
[9:00] <fairuz> morning guys
[9:00] <techsurvivor> that's a good reason, but python is pretty easy too
[9:00] <lkthomas> and I am thinking what I could use for the RPi
[9:00] <lkthomas> heh
[9:01] <techsurvivor> concepts are similar, variables, functions, i/o, structured programming.
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[9:01] <lkthomas> python is way too complex for me
[9:02] <AC`97> ...
[9:02] <techsurvivor> well i avoid bash scripting because it's too complicated for me (aka I don't want to learn awk/sed/grep/find to the extent that you need to be efficient in bash)
[9:02] <fairuz> lkthomas: python in my opinion, is easier than bash
[9:02] <lkthomas> well
[9:02] <AC`97> bash is easy
[9:02] <lkthomas> everyone have different comment
[9:02] <techsurvivor> although I know I could pick it up, bash scripting isn't a pushover, you could pick up python in less than a week, enough to use it
[9:02] <lkthomas> we all stick to whatever we know :)
[9:02] <AC`97> i glue C and bash together :D
[9:03] <fairuz> lkthomas: agree
[9:03] <techsurvivor> just saying cause rpi seems to use a lot of python and c stuff... you probably won't pick up c in a week :)
[9:03] <AC`97> i learned python in an hour... while using it to write a kindle ebook compiler
[9:03] <AC`97> (ripping data off a site)
[9:03] <fairuz> I use bash before and just starting to use python, and I found it somehow easy to learn
[9:04] <techsurvivor> anyway, just saying if you figured out bash, python would be easy too, and there's a lot of gpio stuff available for rpi in python
[9:04] <techsurvivor> examples and such
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[9:06] <AC`97> is working with pcap in python hard?
[9:06] <AC`97> (i haven't worked with pcap anywhere before O.o)
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[9:06] <lkthomas> heh
[9:06] <lkthomas> brb
[9:13] <AC`97> Excuse me, sir, but I missed the trolley. Could you be so kind as to take me to the town square in your horseless carriage?
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[9:14] <PiRocketman> Interesting, Raspbian was perfectly happy with the keyboard/mouse I was using but apparently raspbmc was having trouble with them or something
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[9:43] <Ch4rAss> Hi. I recently intalled raspbmc on my new RPi, I bought both codec licenses too and it is quite cool so far. Is there a way to get mpeg-4 movies to run?
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[9:44] <gordonDrogon> lkthomas, gpio in bash is easy - just install wiringPi and use the gpio command.
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[9:47] <PiRocketman> Ch4rAss, the Pi can decode VC1, Mpeg 2 and h.264
[9:47] <PiRocketman> h.264 is the only one enabled by default without purchasing the additional codecs
[9:47] <PiRocketman> h.264 is one of the mpeg 4 family of standards
[9:47] <PiRocketman> but isn't the only one
[9:48] <PiRocketman> a lot of video files you find online are likely to be XVID/Divx or some other variant that the Pi can't decode in hardware
[9:48] <PiRocketman> and it doesn't have the processing power to decode them in software
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[9:48] <PiRocketman> the Pi actually struggles just to decode some of the audio codecs found in video files
[9:48] <Ch4rAss> PiRocketman: ok, thanks!
[9:49] <Ch4rAss> it explains everything :)
[9:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> easicially if there are multiple audio streams
[9:50] <PiRocketman> overclocking your Pi helps a bit if you are outputting the audio through the 1/8" jack
[9:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> audio vi ahdmi is the best though
[9:50] <PiRocketman> you are better outputting the audio via the HDMI to a receiver that supports decoding those codecs themselves
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[9:51] <PiRocketman> shifting the burden from the Pi to the receiver
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[9:54] <PiRocketman> It is too bad the Pi doesn't support more codecs in hardware, as it would make a really killer $35 media center
[9:55] <PiRocketman> As is, it is a bit of a marginal proposition, especially if you aren't prepared to transcode your stuff on a PC.
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[10:03] <mufasis> anyone here
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[10:06] <PiRocketman> Uh, yes, several hundred someones
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[10:07] <PiRocketman> We are just all lurking about waiting to pounce
[10:08] <Iota> ROAR!
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[10:33] <Syconaut> lovely
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[11:01] <gordonDrogon> typical. I get back from holiday where the weather was rubbish and it's sunny. Bother!
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[11:03] <prologic> So I've seen lots of forums posts on people's various ideas on integrating a Raspberry Pi with the MindStorms NXT kit, but no real working projects as such yet - Anyone aware of any updates on this? - I recently acquired a MindStorms NXT Kit so will be toying around, etc
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[12:00] <luxor> Hello
[12:01] <luxor> does someone use XBMC-RBP-GIT on archlinux ?
[12:02] <luxor> I have some trouble using it when i play 1080p video
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[12:07] <gordonDrogon> not here I'm afraid...
[12:08] <luxor> yep i guess too :/
[12:09] <luxor> I am sure it's possible
[12:09] <luxor> some distro like rsbmc use that
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[12:12] <menthe> hmmm the pi running xfce + greybird theme + plank with zramswap on arch is not bad
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> I run xfce on my Pi's too. no zram needed and I turn off desktop-mode.
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[12:15] <menthe> yes but I was curious and I tried zramswap and it seems smoother
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[12:15] <menthe> maybe i will make some benchmarks to see if its a placebo effect or not :)^^
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[12:17] <gordonDrogon> well - check swap usage - my Pi doesn't swap for the most part. MAybe your swapps because you have removed some RAM for the zram :-)
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> I can see a bit of a spiral death trap here - oh noes... need more swap, take more ram for zram - oh noes, needs more swap, take some ram for zram, etc. .. :)
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[12:18] <menthe> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/increased-performance-in-linux-with.html
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[12:20] <ln-> does it make sense for a group of people to order a bunch of raspberries in order to save in shipping costs?
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[12:23] <menthe> surfing the web with midori is smoother too :)
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> must admit, I rarely use my Pi for that - they're mostly headess, but I was using chromium and it was working well.
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> renders sites much better than midori does!
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[12:27] <Fleck> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4&feature=player_embedded :D
[12:30] <des2> ln what country are you in ?
[12:30] <ln-> des2: finland
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[12:30] <des2> Is there a Finnish ebay ?
[12:30] <ln-> nope
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[12:31] <menthe> gordonDrogon: if you want to give it a try http://code.google.com/p/compcache/wiki/zramperf ;)
[12:32] <des2> On the US ebay element14 was selling them with cheap shipping: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RASPBERRY-PI-MODEL-B-BOARD-ONLY-COMPUTER-83T1943-/380471025862
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> menthe, no thanks. If I'm pushing a Pi that I need to sacrifice RAM for compressed RAM, I'll use swap on SD an maximise the real RAM.
[12:35] <ln-> hmm, do raspberries come with a power supply?
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[12:37] <mjr> no
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[12:39] <ln-> alright
[12:40] <des2> No power supply, no usb cable, no SD card, no case...
[12:42] <cerjam> the lack of a case is a nasty issue
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[12:43] <Jck_true> cerjam: Well - Not really an issue till you drop it on the floor at it bends the GPIO so they short circut the thing...
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> wow - how high do you need to drop it from to bend the pins???
[12:44] <PiRocketman> There are a bunch of 3rd party cases available
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[12:44] <cerjam> yeah thats a doosy of a drop
[12:44] <des2> You can't expect Pi to be good after you drop it on the floor.
[12:44] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Apprently just regular desk drop -
[12:44] <PiRocketman> as well as designs for 3d printing or laser cutting your own
[12:44] <PiRocketman> or make one out of Legos
[12:44] <PiRocketman> Or stiff cardboard, etc.
[12:45] <Jck_true> On a carpet even...
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[12:45] <Lexip> I couldn't live my life expecting bad shit to happen all of the time, and planning according to that
[12:45] <Lexip> I'll never drop the pi because it's in a safe location on my desk! :)
[12:45] <Jck_true> Or do like me - Jsut open the Farnell case in both ends and leave the rasp inside :D
[12:46] <PiRocketman> I ordered a fancy one made of injection molded plastic from modmypi.com
[12:48] <Lexip> I look at the pi as a component, rather than a complete thing, so lack of case makes sense to me :P
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[12:50] <PiRocketman> I view it as something with limited availability and long ship times, so doing my best not to break the darn thing...
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[12:51] <Lexip> I received mine no longer than 4 days after I ordered it, quite satisfied with that! heard some real horror stories :(
[12:51] <irgendwer4711> hi, I have a little problem with my self-build kernel. LAN is not working and after booting the color-testscreen doenst disappear.
[12:51] <cerjam> Lexip, mine too
[12:52] <irgendwer4711> Which modules a nessesary for this?
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[12:53] <gordonDrogon> I thought the colour rainbow screen was generated by the gpu before linux booted..
[12:53] <blahee> irgendwer4711: you should propably start with "make bcmrpi_defconfig" and compil it, boot it and when it works -> you can start tweaking and you know when you broke it
[12:53] <irgendwer4711> my kernel is working, I could type blind and reboot it
[12:54] <irgendwer4711> other video and lan dont work
[12:54] <irgendwer4711> I mean only
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> most odd. did you compile in the framebuffer device?
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> (and was the monitor turned on ;-)
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> Pi will prefer compost output if it doesn't detect working HDMI device.
[12:55] <irgendwer4711> gordonDrogon: yes FB is include, I use video tv-ouit
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> and that's set at the gpu boot-time AIUI, but I think there is a commands to force switch.
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> ok.
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[12:56] <irgendwer4711> I could put my config online on pastebin...
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[12:58] <gordonDrogon> or you could put the old kernel back to make sure confif.txt is OK.
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> config.txt*
[12:59] <irgendwer4711> old kernel is working, new kernel is booting well, but without lan and video support
[13:00] <irgendwer4711> is there any trick with buildin modules, which must be present at boot time??
[13:01] <fairuz> irgendwer4711: You can start with old kernel config and see what they have for built-in modules.
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[13:04] <irgendwer4711> this is my config http://pastebin.com/mBVUAj5F
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[13:05] <irgendwer4711> I had removed unnecessarey driver, changed ext4 with ext2 and other not useful kernel features e.g hibernation
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> I don't use modules for anything other than the spi and i2c on the Pi...
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> why ext2 ?
[13:06] <irgendwer4711> because of sdcard and cpu power
[13:06] <irgendwer4711> maintaining a journal is expensive
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> I've never noticed.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> you'll regret it the next time it crashes and you need to run fsck on a large SD card...
[13:07] <irgendwer4711> yes sure
[13:07] <irgendwer4711> no risk no fun ^^
[13:07] <irgendwer4711> btw my sdcard is 1 gb
[13:08] <irgendwer4711> well, I put in modules for scsi , usb and cardreader. I thought this must be all
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[14:18] <RichiH> wtf.. allied electronics / RS components just sent email that their shipping estimate went from "up to 12 weeks" to 16-20 weeks
[14:18] <Asara> hi PiBot
[14:19] <Asara> cancel your order and order with Element
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> wow... just get one from tandy tomorow!
[14:19] <Asara> apparently they ship within the week
[14:19] <RichiH> yah
[14:19] * RichiH really does not know why he put up with that for as long as he did
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/modules/raspberry-pi-model-b.html
[14:20] <Asara> maybe subconsciously you didn't want the pi
[14:20] <Asara> maybe you are high off life
[14:20] <Asara> maybe you are just insane?
[14:20] <RichiH> maybe
[14:21] <RichiH> does e14 ship out the 2.0 revision, already?
[14:21] <InControl> you can get Gertboards from Tandy as well
[14:22] <RichiH> i don't need a gertboard, for now
[14:22] <des2> Element14 was just auctioning them on Ebay.
[14:23] <InControl> I wish Gert used normal resistors instead of the fiddly surface mount ones though
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[14:23] <des2> Sold the last one yesterday for $35+$2 shipping.
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[14:23] <Lexip> RichiH, I got the rev2 board two weeks ago from Farnell/element14 whatever
[14:23] <InControl> des2: Pis ?
[14:24] <des2> Yes.
[14:24] <InControl> ok
[14:24] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RASPBERRY-PI-MODEL-B-BOARD-ONLY-COMPUTER-83T1943-/380471025862
[14:24] <Asara> if you've never done any hardware programming, is the gert/pi a good place to start?
[14:25] <des2> No get a TI launchpad.
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[14:26] <InControl> Ti are a bit naff though, no open dev environment
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[14:26] <Asara> i'll look into it. thanks
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[14:26] <Elspuddy> hello :)
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[14:27] <Elspuddy> question, i just floowed some instruction on how to set up cups on the pi and make it work so the ipad/iphone can print, how can i make windows see it as well ?
[14:27] <des2> Asara buy one of these to play with: http://www.ti.com/ww/en/launchpad_site/stellaris.html
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[14:28] <Jck_true> Asara: What sore of hardware programming you want? There's always Arduino...
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[14:28] <Asara> des2:that might be cheap enough for me to mess around with.
[14:29] <RichiH> Elspuddy: pi as print server? not a bad idea
[14:29] <des2> Exactly Asara. And if you blow it up it's only $4.99
[14:29] <Asara> Jck_true: I am planning on starting with lights, but want to hook up some sensors around the house for lights and whatnot
[14:29] <Elspuddy> RichiH : yep , would be slightley better the the tplink one i got now :)
[14:30] <Elspuddy> tplink print server :)
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[14:31] <Jck_true> I only just got my Arduino Nano - It's not bad at all - You can find clones for around 12$ online - IDE and everything is free and open source
[14:32] <Jck_true> des2: But that launchpad looks really interresting - I'm just coding for TI at work at the moment - And Im not happy with their 8051 and commercial compilers
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[14:32] <InControl> Arduino is a good choice, lots of info on the web
[14:32] <RichiH> ordered from ele14
[14:33] <des2> The launchpad is much more open and supported with free tools like gcc.
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[14:33] <RaYmAn> Jck_true: they have a codesourcery compiler - and given it's ARM, it should work with any gcc supporting Cortex M4F, assuming proper linker scripts and an init assembly stub
[14:33] <des2> There's even Energia for the original 430 launchpad wich allows you to run Arduino code.
[14:34] <Jck_true> RaYmAn: Yeah I can see- worth 5 bucks for a try atleast - Bookedmarked for sure
[14:36] * gordonDrogon wonders if Tandy have any Rev 2 boards yet...
[14:37] <des2> I'd guess they haven't sold enough to have 2
[14:37] <InControl> no they will still be 1.1
[14:38] <Hodapp> TANDY?!
[14:38] <gordonDrogon> I ought to get a Rev 2 to make sure wiringPi works on it ok ... not rush though.
[14:39] <Hodapp> I ordered a TI Stellaris Launchpad... it'll arrive in a few weeks, hopefully.
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, yes, Tandy...
[14:39] <InControl> i.e the ones with the poly fuses removed
[14:39] <InControl> but not the new holes
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> and the gpio mashed up )-:
[14:40] <InControl> I should get a V2 as well to see what they have done with the GPIO
[14:40] <Elspuddy> throght tandy bent broke or pulled out of the uk
[14:40] <Elspuddy> bent = went
[14:40] <InControl> Tandy sold all of their shops to carphone warehouse
[14:41] <Elspuddy> ahh
[14:41] <des2> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/raspberry-pi-model-b.html
[14:41] <des2> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14277
[14:41] <des2> In the US MCM is listing PIs in stock
[14:42] <des2> They are owned by Farnell and charge $5 shipping.
[14:42] <InControl> A bit of history on the Tandy facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tandy/149772765152501
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> InControl, appears to be a private page - can't view it.
[14:44] <InControl> strange
[14:44] <des2> It's facebook join or die.
[14:45] <InControl> so you have to be a facebook user to see it, never knew that
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> I'd have thought it would be better to have the tandy history on the tandy site...
[14:46] <InControl> There is some here http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/about-tandy
[14:47] <InControl> but that does not have any details about carphone warehouse etc
[14:48] <des2> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/skin/frontend/tandy/default/images/media/transistor-hand.png
[14:48] <des2> Wow
[14:48] <des2> CK722s.
[14:48] <des2> I remeber buying them at Radio Shack.
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[14:49] <InControl> that would be a long time ago then
[14:49] <des2> Yes...
[14:49] <des2> That was like the first publicly available transistor.
[14:50] <InControl> so are you old enough to have bought vacuum tubes from RadioShack then ?
[14:51] <des2> I remember when stores had tube testers.
[14:51] <Hodapp> I still know a store with a tube tester.
[14:52] <Hodapp> I don't go there very often, because it smells like World War II and the employees are clueless.
[14:52] <des2> heh
[14:52] <Hodapp> it's a liquidation outlet with a stupidly large warehouse floor
[14:52] <InControl> Afraid Finland is a bit far for me to go to see that ;)
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[14:53] <InControl> there are two websites that you might like
[14:53] <InControl> http://www.tandycatalogues.co.uk/
[14:53] <Hodapp> if you dig deep enough in a nondescript box labeled "misc. disc. c.w.(scribble) $0.25" you might just find a nuclear warhead or two that no one knows about because the emplyoees never take inventory
[14:53] <InControl> http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/
[14:54] <InControl> the radioshack one has lots of retro stuff including TV comercials
[14:56] <des2> Radio Shack has decided that maybe being a Cell Phone and TV store isn't the best idea and are trying to jump on the Electronics Experimenter bandwagon again.
[14:57] <thrawed> des2: of course, anyone with any sense nowadays buys those online
[14:57] <InControl> RadioShack are going down the tubes
[14:57] <trevorman> /s/radioshack/maplin/
[14:57] <Hodapp> thrawed: But, honestly, sometimes I need an Arduino NOW. And for that reason I rather welcome Radio Shack having some things like that available there.
[14:57] <InControl> share price has fallen dramatically and laying off staff
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> des2, in the US? In the UK, Tandy != Radio Shack
[14:58] <Hodapp> And I will tell you that Radio Shack saved my ass during senior project in college because they were the only store I was available of that had, on a Sunday, a collection of electronic components available, however small.
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> Never really had an issue getting an Arduino next day if I really needed one...
[14:58] <thrawed> des2: if you buy a telly from a store in the UK, they send your address to the tv license people, who'll pester you for money even if you don't watch tv. But if you buy the tv online then they can't send the address because of data protection
[14:58] <InControl> Look at the 1 year share graph http://www.google.co.uk/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:RSH
[14:58] <Hodapp> there are plenty of cases where I'd rather just drive 10 miles and get a component rather than wait for overnight shipping.
[14:59] <InControl> thrawed: sorry that is wrong on-line they send it
[14:59] <thrawed> InControl: whaaaaat
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, true - but for me it's 30 miles and bad parking )-:
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[15:00] <InControl> amazon for example will send your details to TV licencing
[15:00] <thrawed> InControl: when did that change?
[15:00] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: I'm 'lucky' enough, I suppose, to be living in an urban area, but surrounded all around by suburbia.
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, yea, I'm in ruralistan.
[15:01] <InControl> as far as I know that has always been the case, I bought TV's from ebuyer, Tesco, M&S, Currys all sent my details to TV licencing
[15:01] <des2> I see Tandy in the UK got sold gordon.
[15:01] <trevorman> thrawed: they've been able to do that for decades. DPA has exclusions for any current laws.
[15:01] <thrawed> trevorman: my entire belief system has been shattered
[15:02] <InControl> You are better off buying in a shop as you are under no obligation to give a genuine address
[15:02] <trevorman> the entire TV licensing "detection" system is basically them looking you up in the database and going hmmm they don't have a TV license! everybody must have a TV! *send letter*
[15:02] <InControl> You can give the address of TV licensing and they will send themselves the letter.
[15:02] <trevorman> lol
[15:03] <InControl> BTW TV Licensing is a private company that has no legal powers
[15:03] <antivirtel> hello! I've just configured a RaspBMC, and I wanted to play a movie, but it was showed grey screen and played sound. I've found out, that the coded is the problem, it is DivX 3 Low, and it is not licensed, or something like that. My question is, what can I do, if I want do play that coded, it is 60 GB content, I don't want to convert it....
[15:03] <InControl> you do not have to let them in
[15:03] <trevorman> InControl: yeah. they're contracted by the BBC.
[15:03] <antivirtel> *c
[15:04] <trevorman> and yup you can tell them to get lost. people assuming that they do have powers and let them in :|
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[15:04] <InControl> yes so many people think they have powers
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[15:05] <thrawed> antivirtel: divx is mpeg4 part 2
[15:06] <InControl> They are required to apply for a court order and bring along police to enter your premises
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[15:07] <des2> Transfer it to your PC and watch it with VLC...
[15:08] <InControl> I think it is wrong that people evade paying if they do watch TV, but it really annoys me that if you don't watch TV they come pestering you
[15:08] <antivirtel> thrawed maybe, but I saw that this is old.
[15:09] <InControl> Note, TV licence is required to watch TV not for owning equipment capable of receiving TV.
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[15:09] <thrawed> antivirtel: you might be better off long-term transcoding it to h264
[15:10] <trevorman> InControl: yeah. I don't see it as a bad thing as it funds the BBC. the tone of the letters and how they can come harrass you isn't good however.
[15:10] <antivirtel> thrawed it might, but it is 60 GB...
[15:11] <InControl> I agree, I think the BBC is good, I just don't like their assumption of guilt
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[15:11] <trevorman> there is an exception for iplayer. you can watch stuff off there so long as its not live without requiring the TV license. odd exception but *shrug*
[15:11] <InControl> I have 2 TV's in the house, neither used as TV's, both connected to computers/games consoles
[15:11] <thrawed> antivirtel: set up a job and leave it for a couple of weeks
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[15:12] <Draylor> could be worse
[15:12] <Draylor> at least they dont try to convince the stupids that a magic van driving down their road knows they are watching tv, heh
[15:13] <InControl> but despite telling TV licensing that I do not require a licence as I do not watch TV at this address they keep sending letters and 'enforcement officers'. Letters go in the recycler and 'enforcement officers' get a padington hard stare and the door shut on them.
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[15:13] <thrawed> InControl: they ever wanted to come in to make sure it's not hooked up?
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> some magic vans DO contain active equipment and they can tell if a TV is turned on and watching broadcast TV.
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> a friend of mine lets them in once every 3 years and they leave her alone after that.
[15:15] <Caver> mmm not really .. not since DVB came along
[15:15] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: how can they isolate your house?
[15:16] <Caver> you used to be able to see the intermod, from your tuner
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, with a great big directional antennae.
[15:16] <thrawed> Caver: dvb-t tuners require a license
[15:16] <Caver> newer DVB tuners don't have intermod anymore
[15:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> eat the TV
[15:16] <Caver> thrawed, yes
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[15:17] <thrawed> you only need a licence to watch live tv, if you only watch non-live iplayer then no license is required
[15:17] <Caver> they also used to look at the line frequency from a CRT ... but as everyone has LCD's that doesn't work anymore either
[15:17] <des2> All those $7 Chinese dongles ?
[15:17] <thrawed> des2: ??20 dongles
[15:19] <chris_99> you can still tap LCDs apparently Caver
[15:19] <trevorman> ^
[15:19] <thrawed> don't listen to chris_99, he's one of them!
[15:19] <Caver> oh yes? ... how?
[15:20] <trevorman> wouldn't thrawed be one of them since you're trying to hide the info? :D
[15:20] <chris_99> one tick i'll get you a paper
[15:20] <Caver> I know they make a terrific amount of RF noise - try holding a AM radio next to one!
[15:20] <chris_99> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/pet2004-fpd.pdf
[15:20] <InControl> TV licensing have never shown a detector in a court case, no evidence means they don't exist
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[15:21] <trevorman> InControl: its some bloke in a rented van with an AM radio and a big aerial :D
[15:21] <chris_99> er, checkout Van Eck Phreaking InControl
[15:21] <chris_99> and that paper i linked to
[15:21] <trevorman> you could do 99% of it just by banging on the door in the evening and listening for a TV
[15:21] <chris_99> not that it means the TV people do it though
[15:21] <des2> Van Eck allows then to see what you see on your computer....
[15:22] <InControl> all prosecutions for TV License evasion are from people letting them in a signing the form
[15:22] <Caver> yup ... which is mostly a tax on the uninformed
[15:22] <Caver> just don't let them in!
[15:23] <InControl> not that it matters to me anyhow as if it did exist they would never find any TV rubbish on my screens
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[15:23] <Caver> LOL
[15:23] * Caver is more than happy to pay for my licence anyway
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[15:24] <gordonDrogon> Hah.. and as if by magic, I've just had a letter from TVL renewing my license until 2016!
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[15:24] <Caver> 2016?!
[15:25] <trevorman> the cost is fixed until 2016. didn't know you could renew for multiple years
[15:25] <thrawed> that'd cost you ~??600
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[15:26] <manitou> cheap ! i pay 750 for
[15:26] <manitou> Denmark*
[15:27] <Caver> for how many years?
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[15:27] <manitou> 250 prY
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[15:27] <Caver> nods
[15:27] <thrawed> manitou: yes but 750 kroner is only ??81
[15:28] <manitou> ?
[15:28] <manitou> 2600kr
[15:28] <thrawed> 2600kr is ??281
[15:28] <manitou> yes prY
[15:29] <manitou> until 2016 3x281?
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[15:29] <thrawed> but you get paid to go to uni
[15:30] <chris_99> you get paid to go to uni?!
[15:30] <manitou> ?uni
[15:30] <chris_99> university
[15:30] <manitou> thrawed: who told yuo that ?
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[15:31] <gordonDrogon> it's paid by DD every month.
[15:31] <gordonDrogon> well - that's how we pay it.
[15:31] <thrawed> manitou: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Denmark#Tuition_and_financial_aid_system
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[15:32] <chris_99> ''This tuition-less system applies to all students'' - what's that mean
[15:32] <manitou> thrawed: its not that bride like it sound !?
[15:32] <thrawed> manitou: bride?
[15:33] <thrawed> chris_99: it means you don't pay anything if you pass the listed requirements
[15:33] <chris_99> no, i mean, it say's it's tution-less
[15:34] <thrawed> chris_99: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuition
[15:34] <manitou> yea dont belive everthing you see
[15:34] <chris_99> i know what tuition is
[15:34] <chris_99> i'm just suprised
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[15:34] <chris_99> if that's true
[15:35] <thrawed> manitou: what are you going on about?
[15:35] <manitou> ask someone who get that help ! and how they pay back
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[15:36] <manitou> 5.500 kr prm. , if you dont go to uni you get 8000 prm !
[15:37] <chris_99> you get paid not to go to uni?
[15:37] <chris_99> this is all very confusing
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[15:37] <manitou> yes if you are over 18 and dont work ! chris_99
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[15:37] <chris_99> oh, like benefits in the UK i guess
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[15:39] <Caver> :)
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[15:40] <Caver> chris_99 where are you from?
[15:41] <chris_99> UK
[15:41] <Caver> ah good ... me too ... I thought I was going to have to explain UK benefits system for a moment
[15:42] <manitou> http://dagpengeregler.dk/bistandshjaelp/comment-page-1/
[15:43] <manitou> welfare
[15:44] <manitou> so they take from welfare 2.500 and say you get free uni and get paid
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[16:14] <fomox> Anyone know of a powerpoint viewer that works on raspberry pi with debian installed?
[16:14] <Caver> openoffice?
[16:15] <Hodapp> yeah, I'd vote for whatever-openoffice-is-called-nowadays
[16:15] <fomox> I cant install openoffice for some reason
[16:15] <fomox> it says I need libreoffice
[16:15] <fomox> but I cant install that eighter
[16:15] <Hodapp> Short of importing the document via Google Docs, I don't know of anything else that can handle Powerpoint files.
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[16:16] <fomox> cant use gdocs eighter, I dont have internet where im going to use this machine :P
[16:16] <Hodapp> KOffice had a tool that could, but I don't know if KOffice has had any updates since like 1998
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[16:16] <fomox> can I simply do apt-get install libreoffice
[16:16] <fomox> and that should work?
[16:16] <Caver> pptviewer perhaps?
[16:16] <Hodapp> I thought you said you couldn't install libreoffice
[16:16] <Caver> not sure if it's been cross compiled
[16:16] <fomox> I get an error when I try to do that
[16:17] <fomox> it says that it doesnt find it
[16:17] <Hodapp> did you do apt-get update first?
[16:17] <Hodapp> may not help, but it'll eliminate some errors
[16:17] <fomox> I downloaded pptviewer but I didnt find the command to install it
[16:17] <fomox> yeah, i did
[16:17] <Caver> dpkg -i filename.deb usually
[16:17] <fomox> only apt-get update, not upgrade
[16:19] <fomox> it says it doesnt fit to my system
[16:19] <fomox> Did I download the wrong file?
[16:19] <Caver> very likely you downloaded one compiled for a intel PC
[16:20] <fomox> i386
[16:20] <fomox> should I go for the amd64 instead?
[16:20] <[SLB]> you'd need arm
[16:20] <[SLB]> if available
[16:21] <Caver> are you doing this on a raspberry pi?
[16:21] <fomox> yes
[16:21] <fomox> I cant find arm
[16:21] <fomox> in this link
[16:21] <fomox> http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/p/pptview/
[16:21] <Caver> in that case, yes you'd need it compiled for the ARM setup
[16:21] <[SLB]> or compile from source
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[16:22] <fomox> is it hard to compile from source? :P
[16:24] <[SLB]> try download http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/p/pptview/pptview_8.0.orig.tar.gz
[16:24] <[SLB]> there should be instructions inside
[16:24] <fomox> Thanks
[16:24] <[SLB]> yw :)
[16:25] <pepijndevos> How can I contribute an update to a package to debian?
[16:26] <tripgod> pepijndevos, in the deb control file, do you see the email of the package maintainer?
[16:27] <pepijndevos> tripgod: eh?
[16:28] <tripgod> pepijndevos, did you update a deb package?
[16:28] <pepijndevos> tripgod: not yet. I want to update this one: http://packages.debian.org/sid/netatalk
[16:29] <fomox> and if I cant find any information about compiling?
[16:29] <tripgod> pepijndevos, Do you want to update just your install or do you have a patch that you want to send upstream?
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[16:30] <pepijndevos> tripgod: netatalk is currently at version 3, which I'd like to have. So rather than just compiling from source, I thought I might get the update upstream as well.
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[16:32] <tripgod> ok, I see. pepijndevos, if you don't want to do the compile yourself, then you're only bet is to ask Jonas Smedegaard (email is on that page you linked me) and ask for an update.
[16:33] <pepijndevos> tripgod: Oh, I'm fine with compiling stuff. Just thought I might try to contribute back.
[16:33] <pepijndevos> But yea, i should probably start out by emailing the maintainer
[16:33] <tripgod> pepijndevos, are you familiar with deb packaging?
[16:34] <fomox> [SLB]: there wasnt any instructions inside the tar
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[16:34] <Ben-> hi
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[16:34] <tripgod> Hi Ben-
[16:34] <[SLB]> hm is it actually a binary or the source?
[16:35] <pepijndevos> tripgod: not at all. I did some stuff with macports and homebrew, is it similar?
[16:35] <Ben-> I've just installed xbian... is it delivered with ftp? I can't connect as I used to do :(
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[16:35] <fomox> Dont know. Its some dll files, one lb file, one png file and just a file :P
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[16:35] <fomox> olb*
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[16:35] <tripgod> pepijndevos, I've never worked with macports and homebrew. I suggest you familiarize yourself with deb packaging after you've compiled the program.
[16:35] <pepijndevos> ok
[16:36] <tripgod> then you'll be more effective when writing to the package maintainer that you have an update for him
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[16:40] <fomox> [SLB]: It was alot of files (dll, olb, png and a file)
[16:41] <[SLB]> fomox, there's a README file inside
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[16:42] <fomox> [SLB]: It doesnt say anything about compiling
[16:42] <[SLB]> hm it looks like a binary indeed, no source, not sure then sorry
[16:43] <fomox> ok
[16:43] <fomox> thanks anyway
[16:43] <[SLB]> yw
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[18:13] <[diecast]> anyone here going to the hackmanhattan event this saturday?
[18:13] <thrawed> no
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[18:18] <gordonDrogon> if only it wasn't 4000 miles away...
[18:19] <[diecast]> that's how I feel most of the time, rare that such an event is in my city
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[18:19] <[diecast]> usually events involving computer science are in europe
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[18:25] <pepijndevos> I found an qemu package for windows to emulate the raspi. Why is it specific to windows?
[18:26] <pepijndevos> Is it possible to tu run raspbian on my mac?
[18:26] <Will|> o_O
[18:26] <trevorman> if you can be bothered to compile qemu sure
[18:26] <weltall> maybe because qemu was built for windows?
[18:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ no
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[18:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> !w
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[18:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm
[18:26] <bmcorser> sup yo
[18:27] <bmcorser> has anyone thought about running plan9 on their pi?
[18:27] <RaTTuS|BIG> no
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[18:27] <pepijndevos> trevorman: weltall: OKay, I can be bothered to compile qemu. I was just wondering about hardware support.
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[18:28] <trevorman> it doesn't completely emulate the rpi
[18:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> pepijndevos - order an rpi for farnell and you'll hgave it faster then you can make an emulater for it
[18:28] <RaTTuS|BIG> from*
[18:28] <pepijndevos> lol, I don't need to do gpio, and I already have a real one
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[18:29] <trevorman> pepijndevos: the qemu packages were for testing and development. they don't actually emulate the rpi very closely and don't do anything at all about the VC.
[18:29] <pepijndevos> I installed arch, and I'm running it as a web server now. But I realized debian might be betetr suited for a server. I just don't want to take my server down while I try to get everything up and runing on debian
[18:29] <pepijndevos> VC?
[18:29] <trevorman> videocore
[18:30] <trevorman> the "GPU" part of the SoC
[18:30] <pepijndevos> oh
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[18:30] <pepijndevos> Mianly what I want to do is configure debian before I flash it to the card.
[18:31] <trevorman> not sure how useful it would be considering network hardware is different anyway between qemu and the rpi
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[18:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> get a couuple of SD cards anyway
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[18:32] <RaTTuS|BIG> eek - .... /me gone
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[18:38] <bmcorser> alright then see ya
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[18:47] <[diecast]> what is a good place to buy a raspberrypi in the states?
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> from whoever can deliver it soonest...
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[18:48] <dunfy> Hey
[18:48] <dunfy> I'm just reading a post about the pi being slow and somebody suggested updatign the firmware
[18:48] <dunfy> My question, is the firmware the same as the operating system. Or does the PI have a firmware similar to say a bios?
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[18:49] <dunfy> Anyway, this led me to look at rpi-update and working out what it does.
[18:49] <dunfy> Does rpi-update update the OS or firmware a chip?
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[18:50] <SpeedEvil> there is no firmware stored other than on the SD
[18:50] <bertrik> as I understand it, the "firmware" in a raspberry pi is the linux kernel + any binary blobs
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> there is a firmware blob on the SD.
[18:51] <AC`97> so uh... in archlinux's latest kernel/firmware, the cpufreq governor is set to performance by default
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> this is used to boot, and obtain certain operating parameters, before the kernel co es up
[18:51] <AC`97> what is the correct way to set it to ondemand?
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> comes up
[18:51] <SpeedEvil> why?
[18:51] <dunfy> SpeedEvil: That's what I thought
[18:51] <dunfy> I'm reading now that the GPU Firmware can be upgraded too
[18:52] <AC`97> ):
[18:52] <dunfy> The next problem I have, after a few reboots the sd card becomes corrupt too :(
[18:52] <dunfy> Like, kernel panics and unable to access the card
[18:52] <dunfy> the card is a integral ultima pro class 10 16Gb
[18:54] <AC`97> dunfy: overclock ?
[18:55] <AC`97> and.. does only boot get corrupted, or your root partition too?
[18:55] <dunfy> I overclocked, yes
[18:55] <AC`97> i had some problems when i overclocked to 1.3GHz
[18:55] <dunfy> Not sure which partition, I was running are core 350, and about 900
[18:55] <dunfy> I can't overclock much otherwise it's unstable
[18:56] <dunfy> brb
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[18:58] <tehtrb> luigi !
[18:58] <tehtrb> it's a me, mario !
[18:58] <tehtrb> long-a time-a no-a see-a
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[18:59] * AC`97 smells a counterfeit
[18:59] <tehtrb> right
[18:59] <tehtrb> there's a false character in here
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[19:03] <Venemo> hi
[19:03] <Venemo> what's the best way to cross-compile for the raspberry pi?
[19:03] <AC`97> cross-compile? is that like cross-dressing??
[19:03] <hotwings> so is xbmc usable on rpi yet? or is it still dreadfully slow & crashing?
[19:04] <Venemo> I'm running the default debian distro on it
[19:04] <Venemo> AC`97, :)
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[19:12] <[SLB]> AC`97, for ondemand you should just discard the option force_turbo
[19:13] <tehtrb> AC`97: how is your literacy ?
[19:13] <[SLB]> lol
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[19:23] <AC`97> o.o
[19:23] <AC`97> [SLB]: i never enabled force_turbo
[19:24] <AC`97> it just defaulted to performance when i rebooted after kernel+firmware update (from archlinux)
[19:24] <[SLB]> you may have an older kernel then?
[19:24] <[SLB]> does the temp thing work now?
[19:24] <AC`97> Linux RPi 3.2.27-5-ARCH+ #1 PREEMPT Fri Sep 14 15:16:00 UTC 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[19:25] <AC`97> temperature works, as always.
[19:25] <tehtrb> temperature ?
[19:25] <tehtrb> show me plz
[19:25] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/tempy.png
[19:25] <[SLB]> not sure what they did then
[19:25] <AC`97> :|
[19:25] <[SLB]> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> what generates the temp. graph?
[19:26] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: 2 bash one-liners :P
[19:26] <AC`97> + gnuplot
[19:26] <AC`97> and my fan controller script does logging
[19:27] <[diecast]> AC`97: what temp controller are you using
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], error=1 error_msg="Command not registered"
[19:27] <AC`97> [diecast]: er... ??
[19:27] <AC`97> GPIO + relay ?
[19:27] <[diecast]> AC`97: oh, is this a computer fan?
[19:27] <[SLB]> you need a newer kernel gordon
[19:27] <[diecast]> ok
[19:27] <[SLB]> which one are you running?
[19:27] <gordonDrogon> very probably.
[19:27] <[SLB]> eheh
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.23+ #3 PREEMPT Wed Jul 18 17:56:26 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[19:28] <bertrik> hehe, that's OLD
[19:28] <[SLB]> *very* probably eheh
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> maybe but it works.
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[19:28] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: needs moar archlinux :D
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> and has been very stable for me.
[19:28] <[SLB]> we now also have dynamic cpu scaling
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> cpu clock scaling?
[19:29] <[SLB]> yes
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> is it worth it?
[19:29] <AC`97> yes.
[19:29] <AC`97> set your overclock higher without fear of overheat during idle
[19:29] <[SLB]> if you normally use it overclocked then yes, it saves when it's idle
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> oh well, when I can be bothered to download and compile it I will.
[19:29] <AC`97> compile? O.o
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> My Pi's don't overheat at 900MHz.
[19:30] <bertrik> AC`97: in that temperature graph, what causes the dips up and down, is it cpu activity?
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[19:30] <AC`97> bertrik: fan activity XD
[19:30] <AC`97> i'm still testing case hole size + fan speed, etc..
[19:30] <AC`97> & start/stop temperatures
[19:31] <[SLB]> it's available thru rpi-update or manually from that git repo, you don't need to compile it yourself, unless you want to eheh
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[19:31] <[SLB]> AC`97, you still have the heatsink on it?
[19:31] <bertrik> it would be nice if apt had some kind of delta compression, each time I'm getting an update, it updates 30 MB worth of documents which I haven't even read so far
[19:31] <AC`97> [SLB]: of course i do (:
[19:31] <[SLB]> eheh
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[19:32] <AC`97> now i set fan thresholds to 42C/40C
[19:33] <[SLB]> maybe your fan is spinning to fast
[19:33] <AC`97> trying to balance fan start/stop amounts with temperature range
[19:33] <[SLB]> *too
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> I like compiling kernels.
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> I include only what I want.
[19:33] <AC`97> [SLB]: at 12v, it wants to fly away
[19:33] <AC`97> i'm running it on 5v now, but considering 3v3
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2265576 Aug 29 17:20 /boot/kernel.img
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> no modules.
[19:34] <[SLB]> yes if you lower the speed you get a more flat and controlled result
[19:34] <[SLB]> nice gordon eheh
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], dunno, really. probably more just habit.
[19:34] <AC`97> [SLB]: but then it might not be enough when i use the cpu 100%
[19:35] <[SLB]> then dynamic speed control? :D
[19:35] <AC`97> pwm a relay? XD
[19:35] <[SLB]> lol
[19:36] <AC`97> i wrote an rpm sensor when i was running the fan on 3v3 :]
[19:36] <[SLB]> you should check how it goes under heavy load yes
[19:36] <[SLB]> eheh
[19:37] <Jck_true> That was a let down.. :( I had planned to tinker all evening with my I2c clock - And it litterally just took me 5 minuts to wire it up with a breadboard and hwclock works out of the box :(
[19:37] <AC`97> lol
[19:37] <AC`97> should've skipped the breadboard
[19:38] <AC`97> whewww, i set both my thresholds to 35c
[19:38] <AC`97> now it's clicking on and off like once every 5 seconds
[19:38] <Jck_true> AC`97: 12V fan? How you controlling it PWM+Transistor or?
[19:39] <AC`97> Jck_true: 12v fan running on 5v, controlled via GPIO + relay
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[19:40] <Jck_true> Gotcha :) I got two small 5cm's fan in the mail order... They should fix in my cardboard soon to be mediacenter box
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> wasting a perfectly good silent PC.
[19:42] <AC`97> Jck_true: big fans are better
[19:42] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: That's not the point...
[19:42] <AC`97> big = quiet
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> none = even quieter.
[19:42] <AC`97> on mine, none = meltdown
[19:42] <Jck_true> AC`97: 12cm fan won't fit in a box that's 7cm tall :)
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> I really doubt that.
[19:42] <AC`97> i have a powersupply in my tiny case too
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[19:43] <AC`97> Jck_true: external
[19:43] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: It's for a home project - I got one raspberry running XBMC quietly on the back of the pc
[19:44] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: This one is just for showoff - i2c LCD display - 7segment led - sata harddrive and a fan in a box the size of a dvd player
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, I have 3 Pis inside/outside, under bubble wrap and none need fans.
[19:44] <Jck_true> (Actually I might replace the HDD with a DVD drive - If can find a cheap way to interface it)
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> I really don't understand why you're bothering.
[19:44] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: update + log some temperatures :D
[19:45] <AC`97> i wanna seee
[19:45] <AC`97> also, testing 3v3 with my fan now
[19:45] <[diecast]> gordonDrogon: what is your setup for?
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> whats it going to prove? It'll prove that my Pi's run just fine without fans.
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[19:45] <gordonDrogon> [diecast], fun. programming. interfacing.
[19:46] <[diecast]> eh, sure =)
[19:46] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: in my tiny case, my whole powersupply gets even hotter than the pi (which i think is already too hot)
[19:46] <[diecast]> i mean, are you using the outside ones for temp taking or video
[19:46] <AC`97> shouldn't i at least cool the power supply? :P
[19:46] <Jck_true> AC`97: You should by a proper PSU ;)
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> [diecast], oh, no - not outside as in outside the house, I meant outside a box.
[19:46] <[diecast]> ahhhh
[19:47] <steve_rox> yay managed to install ftp server on my pi , and made it completely accessable to anyone on my lan , eeek
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> I currently have one on my workbench with another board plugged directly into it..
[19:47] <AC`97> Jck_true: i do have a proper power supply
[19:47] <Jck_true> AC`97: Not if it gets that hot
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, apt-get install proftpd ...
[19:47] <dunfy> AC`97: Yeah, I overclocked to 900, with a core of 350 and after a few reboots it kernel panics
[19:47] <AC`97> Jck_true: i just said it gets hotter than the RPi
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> maybe it's panicing because of some other reason - like it really can't run at that speed...
[19:48] <dunfy> The only reason for overclocking was when I watched 1080p DTS video via xbmc it jumped like a bitch
[19:48] <steve_rox> i installed vsftpd
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> Hm. My new camera can take 1080p video now... don't have anything to display it on though. oh well
[19:48] <steve_rox> is proftp better?
[19:48] <dunfy> Overclocked and it ran smooth, but then I started getting problems with it randomly rebooting, downclocked it got it stable, then after a few reboots the SD card was fucked
[19:48] <Jck_true> AC`97: I'm using a cheap 2$ USB psu from china - You can't even feel it being warm... I'm a bit excited by the 12V psu i bought through...
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[19:49] <AC`97> Jck_true: same here :P
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, dunno - I've been using it for years now - it has a nice feature that chroots users into their home directory and stops them wandering all over th filesystem which a classic ftpd didn't do...
[19:49] <AC`97> but mine is inside the case with the rpi, right on top of the rpi heatsink
[19:49] <steve_rox> hmmm
[19:49] <dunfy> Which is the best OS anyway? xbian, raspbian, I don't like openelec much
[19:49] <AC`97> dunfy: archlinux
[19:49] <Jck_true> steve_rox: Webserver is next part stream files to your handheld device
[19:50] <dunfy> Oh, i'll give that a go then
[19:50] <dunfy> debian based yeah?
[19:50] <AC`97> ....
[19:50] <AC`97> dunfy: uh, may i suggest that you NOT try it then? :P
[19:50] <dunfy> Just making sure :-p
[19:50] <steve_rox> i have a web server on now
[19:51] <AC`97> i still haven't gotten around to installing nginx after i killed apache for being a cpu hog at startup
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[19:51] <Jck_true> AC`97: http://dx.com/p/24v-2a-regulated-switching-power-supply-100-240v-66678?Utm_rid=58973692
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[19:51] <AC`97> Jck_true: looks a bit dangerous
[19:52] <Jck_true> AC`97: Wait a second :| Why does the link say 24 v - and the product description 24 v :S
[19:52] <Jck_true> 12v*
[19:52] <AC`97> because it's a bit dangerous XD
[19:52] <ln-> is that an exploding model?
[19:52] <AC`97> i prefer laptop power supplies and such
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[19:52] <Jck_true> Maybe I should place it out side the flameable cardbox the first few days...
[19:53] <AC`97> indeed.
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[19:55] <gordonDrogon> laptop PSUs are about 19v these days though?
[19:55] <AC`97> indeed
[19:55] <AC`97> my pibox can take 7v-40v AC or DC
[19:56] <dunfy> AC`97: have you tried playing 1080p DTS video ?
[19:56] <AC`97> nevar.
[19:56] <AC`97> i've only tried playing a youtube video
[19:56] <Jck_true> Ohhh my RTC clock got 57 bytes of storage :)
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> I've used these before though: http://linitx.com/product/10346
[19:56] <Jck_true> There's interresting stuff todo after all :)
[19:56] <dunfy> hmm, wondering if I can get it right without over clocking
[19:57] <Jck_true> dunfy: Worked fine for me
[19:57] <dunfy> Really?
[19:57] <dunfy> What OS you running?
[19:57] <dunfy> And was it through xbmc?
[19:57] <Jck_true> Raspbmc
[19:57] <Jck_true> And vanilla Debian with OMXplayer
[19:58] <dunfy> ah
[19:58] <dunfy> Am I right in thinking the pi has a GPU firmware?
[19:59] <AC`97> dunfy: true. but it's stored on the sd card
[19:59] <dunfy> oh really
[19:59] <AC`97> no clue.
[19:59] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[20:00] <Jck_true> dunfy: It's often reffered too as the "binary blob"
[20:00] <dunfy> I've not really done much with the pi, so not looking into the hardware much. I just wanted to get xbmc working and be done with it, but the problems have enticed me to start looking into it a bit more.
[20:00] <dunfy> So a apt-get upgrade will be enough to keep everything up to date?
[20:01] <AC`97> to a certain extent.
[20:01] <dunfy> heh, so to be clear, there is nothing stored on any of the chips that can be updated?
[20:02] <AC`97> none that we know of... yet
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[20:02] <dunfy> right
[20:02] <dunfy> ta
[20:02] <bertrik> dunfy: the only thing I can think of, is the overvoltage fuse :)
[20:02] <devir> dunfy i got xbian working really nice, so it might be worth trying that
[20:03] <dunfy> I've installed xbian again
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[20:03] <dunfy> I was just confused by this rpi-update from Hexxeh
[20:03] <dunfy> Firmware is usually referred to software stored on a chip.
[20:03] <dunfy> I know technically that's correct for software on the sd card
[20:03] <Hexxeh> yes, it is, inside your SD card :P
[20:03] <dunfy> :-p
[20:04] <dunfy> Ah Hexxeh, so your updater is for the OS?
[20:04] <Jck_true> bertrik: As a loose thought... Has the overvoltage fuse actually been verified? Somehow I got a nagging feeling it's just a story told to scare people off :)
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[20:04] <Hexxeh> no, it's for the device itself
[20:04] <Hexxeh> Jck_true: it wouldn't surprise me at all if it were there
[20:04] <AC`97> Jck_true: it's there
[20:04] <dunfy> So the PI runs it's own software, ignoring the SD Card for the moment.
[20:04] <dunfy> its*
[20:04] <Hexxeh> dunfy: no, the Pi loads it's firmware off the SD card at boot
[20:04] <Hexxeh> there's some tiny amount of code burned into the device that's enough to read it's firmware from the SD card
[20:05] <Hexxeh> and then execute it
[20:05] <AC`97> Jck_true: in /proc/cpuinfo, "Revision : 0002" becomes "Revision : 1002" after overvolt
[20:05] <dunfy> So your updater updates the firmware which is stored on the SD ?
[20:05] <AC`97> (OM NOM NOM VOLTS)
[20:05] <Jck_true> AC`97: Thanks for verifying :)
[20:05] <Hexxeh> dunfy: yes
[20:05] <dunfy> I see
[20:05] <dunfy> thanks
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> AC`97 it's more like 100002 after overvolt.
[20:05] <AC`97> also, the fuse in set in software, i think
[20:05] <dunfy> So the current xbian has the version from 10th August
[20:06] <chithead> will the fuse also be blown when undervolting?
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[20:06] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: oh yah.
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[20:06] * AC`97 is overvolt illiterate
[20:06] <dunfy> What's a good memory split for running it as a media centre?
[20:06] <Jck_true> AC`97 starts to appear allmost as illiterate as me
[20:06] <dunfy> half and half?
[20:06] * AC`97 nods
[20:06] <Jck_true> dunfy: 50/50 for 1080p decoding'
[20:07] <dunfy> nice one
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> reboting a Pi after an update...
[20:07] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: and then temperature-monitor-fun time!
[20:07] <dunfy> Well, you've all been helpful. Thank you! I'll let you know how I get on.
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #102 PREEMPT Sat Sep 1 01:00:50 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #102 PREEMPT Sat Sep 1 01:00:50 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
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[20:08] <gordonDrogon> Hm. mouse has started double pasting again. bother.
[20:08] <AC`97> double-click ? XD
[20:08] * gordonDrogon groans. a 5MB kernel and a dozen modules loaded.
[20:08] <AC`97> and temperature monitoring!!11
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> ol, what was that temp. command again?
[20:08] <AC`97> vcgencmd measure_temp, i believe
[20:09] <AC`97> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> error=1 error_msg="Command not registered"
[20:09] <[SLB]> yes, there's an alias vcgemcmd for /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd
[20:09] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: ... did you update firmware ??
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> via apt-get update/upgrade.
[20:10] <AC`97> did you copy over thingy to start.elf ??
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> itwrite new stuff into /boot
[20:10] <[SLB]> that's too old still
[20:10] <AC`97> also, brb.
[20:10] <Jck_true> pi@raspberrypi ~/raspi/hw/pcf2119x $ /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[20:10] <Jck_true> temp=43.3'C
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ raspberrypi: ls -l /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14783 Sep 2 19:17 /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd
[20:11] <[SLB]> the kernel in the repo is not updated yet to the one which supports the temp monitoring and all the new stuff
[20:11] <Jck_true> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14783 Sep 12 11:16 /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd
[20:11] <Jck_true> Same
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> Ugh. so that was a wasted effort then.
[20:12] <Jck_true> Oh you don't run rpi-update?
[20:12] <[SLB]> *or firmware
[20:12] <tehtrb> i dont have rpi-update .. never had
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> is rpi-update still a valid thing to do?
[20:12] <[SLB]> yes
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> ok. I'll give that a go then..
[20:12] <Jck_true> For the lastest beta version as i remember
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[20:13] <[SLB]> Linux pi.slbnet 3.2.27+ #151 PREEMPT Fri Sep 14 17:00:51 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[20:13] <sco`> hey bit of a newb question .. i followed this http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation and compiled new kernel... now my kernel will never auto update?
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[20:16] <dunfy> wey, firmware updated
[20:16] <dunfy> memory split half, and at first notice the ssh is snapier without any overclocking
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[20:18] <dunfy> Has any body tried booting the pi without being on the correct hdmi channel, then only to find you can't get anything to display without a reboot
[20:19] <trevorman> dunfy: try setting hdmi_force_hotplug=1 in config.txt
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[20:23] <dunfy> cheers
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[20:25] <gordonDrogon> hurrah... I think. I have a Pi running at 40.1C
[20:25] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: owut
[20:25] <AC`97> y so cool
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> which is the same temperatures I measured 5 moths ago with my IR thermometer.
[20:26] <AC`97> mine would go >52C if i leave it alone in tinybox
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> so net gain of information: 0
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> I'm going to surround it with bubble wrap.
[20:26] <AC`97> stress test? XD
[20:27] <dunfy> trevorman: that sorted it
[20:27] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/tempy2.png temperature is stabilizing :D
[20:28] <AC`97> 12v fan on 3v3 and thresholds set to 38c and 36c
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> I have put 2 double bags of bubble wrap round it now.
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[20:28] <jui-feng> temp=37.9'C yay :)
[20:28] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: "nice yes > /dev/null"
[20:29] <AC`97> i have a heatsink connecting the usb/network controller with the ram/cpu, so i think that makes my temperature readings higher...
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> I'd take a photo but there's a gertboard on top of it, so nothing really exciting.
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[20:30] <gordonDrogon> it's gone up to 45.
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[20:34] <dunfy> gordonDrogon: why you so concerned with the temp?
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> dunfy, I'm not. really I don't give a toss about the temperature of my Pi's.
[20:34] <dunfy> mines running at 62.7....
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[20:35] <gordonDrogon> but I just want to laugh at those who do... Fans on Pi's? Ha! What a waste of time.
[20:35] <gordonDrogon> and effort and money.
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[20:35] <dman91> I've seen some heatsinks on Pis, are they sufficient?
[20:35] <dunfy> oh that reminds me
[20:36] <dunfy> I need to install a fan on my phone
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> dman91, they're not needed.
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[20:39] <irgendwer4711> my own kernel without modules is running, but ethernet is disabled at boot. this is strange
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> have yo looked through the output of dmesg ?
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[20:40] <dman91> gordonDrogon: even when over clocking?
[20:41] <spycrab0> I orded an pi yesterday and im searching for an fast (8GB - 16GB) SD card to work with
[20:41] <irgendwer4711> gordonDrogon: yes
[20:41] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: so i don't even need a fan when my pibox is inside my motorcycle in summer?
[20:41] <AC`97> O.o
[20:41] <AC`97> in a sealed box.
[20:41] <[SLB]> spycrab0, http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#SD_card
[20:41] <dunfy> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
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[20:42] <dman91> spycrab0, I have just got SanDisk Extreme Pro 8GB, I get 20MB/s
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[20:42] <spycrab0> dman91: how long does it take to boot?
[20:42] <dman91> not sure one sec
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> dman91, my own experiments suggested no fan/heatsink needed even when overclocking.
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> AC`97, a fan in a sealed box... think about that for a moment ...
[20:43] <irgendwer4711> gordonDrogon: only strange entry: generic-usb 0003:1C4F:0002.0001: can't reset device, bcm2708_usb-1.2.4/input0, status -32
[20:43] <dunfy> lol
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> irgendwer4711, since the Ethernet is USB that might suggest something...
[20:43] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: well, a fan in a sealed box does help to a certain extent... but my box won't be sealed if i put a fan on it, of course XD
[20:43] <dman91> spycrab0,under 20secs to login
[20:44] <AC`97> my fan is too big to fit inside my pibox
[20:44] <spycrab0> dman91: well thats impressive , do you have any problems with it?
[20:44] <irgendwer4711> gordonDrogon: ifconfig eth up and dhclient fixed it
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> I recently ran some PCs in sealed boxes for a period of 18 months... no fans, no holes, nothing. They were Atoms too.
[20:44] <AC`97> atoms = cool
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> atoms = able to run at 90C
[20:44] <AC`97> indeed.
[20:45] <AC`97> you'd need much higher temperature input in order to split atoms
[20:45] <AC`97> ... what were we talking about again??
[20:45] * AC`97 is physics-illiterate
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> I did manage to get one of the GPS units to peak at 102C though. It was working, but wasn't happy - giving results about 10m out...
[20:45] <irgendwer4711> gordonDrogon: 0003:1C4F is my keyboard :-D
[20:46] <AC`97> my gps unit is sealed.
[20:46] <dman91> spycrab0, not that I have noticed. I have noticed that it is super quick when putting Debian Sqeeeze on it. Took only 190 secs
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> irgendwer4711, probably unrelated then..
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> I can boot a Pi into BASIC in about 5 seconds..
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> not usefull for anything else though.
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[20:49] <gordonDrogon> the wrapped pi has just compiled up a load of avr code and uploaded it into a gertboard... temp 50c.
[20:49] * gordonDrogon yawns.
[20:49] <irgendwer4711> kernel: mailbox: Broadcom VideoCore Mailbox driver?? whats this? :-D
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> I think it's how Linux communicates to the videocore.
[20:49] <AC`97> it's a mailbox for the videocore
[20:50] <irgendwer4711> ah, a smtp programmable chip ^^
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[20:53] <gordonDrogon> :)
[20:53] <gordonDrogon> I think it's either some shared memory of a fifo that allows the arm to send commands to the videocore.
[20:53] <AC`97> aka a mailbox
[20:53] <spycrab0> dman19: weel if thats true then the pi is booting faster then my ubuntu setup ;)
[20:55] <irgendwer4711> accessing /dev/mem cause a kernel warning?
[20:55] <AC`97> yes.
[20:55] <irgendwer4711> same to you?
[20:55] <AC`97> why would you want to access it?
[20:55] <AC`97> get r00t? :D
[20:55] <irgendwer4711> I used lshw
[20:55] <bircoe> I got r00t
[20:55] <AC`97> oh
[20:55] <irgendwer4711> try it
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[20:56] <bircoe> I believe in the 3.2 kernel there was a bug that allowed sudo without a password by doing something with /dev/mem
[20:56] <spycrab0> bircoe: yes
[20:57] <spycrab0> bircoe: i think that was mempoddipper
[20:57] <AC`97> [ 7640.113498] Program lshw tried to access /dev/mem between e0000->e1000.
[20:57] <bircoe> could be the reason for the warning
[20:57] <irgendwer4711> ok
[20:57] <AC`97> also, bcm2835-cpufreq needs to totally shut up
[20:57] <irgendwer4711> why
[20:57] <AC`97> because screenfull of [ 7704.364103] bcm2835-cpufreq: Freq 700000->850000 (min=700000 max=850000 target=850000 request=850000)
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[20:58] <spycrab0> weel same on my ubuntu device i tryed to execute the exploit for testing the vulnabe and now i just get lots of warnings
[20:58] <spycrab0> *well
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[20:59] <dman91> spycrab0, well it is meant to be a light Distro for Raspberry Pi, so I am deffos happy that I don't need to wait minutes :)
[20:59] <irgendwer4711> AC`97: bad govenor?
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[20:59] <spycrab0> you are right , but im impressed that a so small thing can do that , so fast
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[21:01] <bircoe> http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-europe-09/Lineberry/BlackHat-Europe-2009-Lineberry-code-injection-via-dev-mem.pdf
[21:01] <dman91> spycrab0, yeah. with regards to the SD, I got mine on Amazon
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[21:04] <spycrab0> well now i brought a sdcard ( SanDisk Ultra SDHC 16GB Class 10) , an crappy case , a mini-usb charger and an wlan-stick (EDIMAX EW-7811UN)
[21:05] <spycrab0> i hope all the components work ;)
[21:05] <irgendwer4711> gordonDrogon: got it, disk is mounted RO... :-/
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[21:05] <markusg> Greetings! Is the first apt-get update and upgrade supposed to take awfull long time?
[21:05] <markusg> I think the update took about 22h on my new raspberry pi
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[21:08] <spycrab0> does someone run apache2 or tomcat5.5 on his pi? and how does it work
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> well my Pi seems to have stablisied at 50C.
[21:08] <spycrab0> ?
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[21:09] <bircoe> apache runs just fine
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[21:09] <dman91> markusg, probably 30 minutes 45 max
[21:10] <bircoe> time for work... stupid 6am starts
[21:10] <[diecast]> you guys are discussing temps of the units so much, but how many of you are using heatsinks?
[21:10] <thrawed> [diecast]: the pi does not require a heatsink, anyone who sticks one on their pi is doing it for the e-peen, not to keep their pi cool.
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[21:12] <[diecast]> so heatsinks don't dissipate heat?
[21:13] <[diecast]> damn marketing hype!!
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> [diecast], I have a Pi wrapped in bubble wrap to see how hot it gets - it doesn't overheat, therefore heatsinks and fans are for the 'e-peens' (as described by thrawed above ;-)
[21:14] <thrawed> [diecast]: the board itself is designed to act as a heatsink
[21:14] <[diecast]> ok
[21:14] <[diecast]> just ordered mine today
[21:14] <thrawed> [diecast]: think about, these chips are designed to be used in mobile phones, with no heatsinks, no airflow.
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> actually, thosr chips are designed to be used in set-top boxes not phones, however the max heat dissipation is only 4 watts, if that.
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[21:17] <spycrab0> sry , for asking dumb questions but i couldnt find a solution on google: how many watts does the pi if an application uses much resources for example an 1080p video
[21:19] <thrawed> spycrab0: http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#Power
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[21:22] <[diecast]> anyone have experience with pi and temp/humidity to trigger events such as turning on a misting station or heat pad.
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[21:22] <[diecast]> that's what i plan on setting up, a controller for my terrarium
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[21:25] <[diecast]> trying to figure out what types of parts ill need
[21:25] <AC`97> relay
[21:25] <AC`97> temperature sensor (i2c?)
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[21:25] <AC`97> get one of those cheapie opto-isolated 5v relay modules on ebay
[21:26] <[diecast]> would these also be needed? - http://s14.postimage.org/slp9d94zl/Screen_Shot_2012_09_17_at_3_23_06_PM.png
[21:27] <AC`97> are you planning to use the ADC ?
[21:27] <AC`97> how many temp sensors do you need?
[21:27] <[SLB]> soo smaaall
[21:27] <[diecast]> 4
[21:27] <AC`97> hmm
[21:27] <[diecast]> im not sure what the adc is for, thought it was needed for the temp sensors
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> spycrab0, the device allows 700mA at 5V, but 300mA are reserved for USB, leaving 400mA. 400mA at 5V = 2 watts.
[21:28] <AC`97> did i mention that i'm electronics illiterate?
[21:28] <[diecast]> hah, you are probably a lot more knowledgable than i
[21:28] <AC`97> orly
[21:29] <[diecast]> well, im trying to gather the parts together before the end of the week as im going to a raspberrypi event
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> spycrab0, I ran a pi for 24 hours on a watt meter - and it averaged 4 watts for the duration, however the meter itself is really not that accurate at such low levels.
[21:29] <AC`97> i shorted 5v to ground a lot of times, 3v3 to ground a few times, and 5v to 3v3 once.
[21:29] <spycrab0> gordonDrogon: thanks for the info
[21:29] <[diecast]> hoping to get some assistance there
[21:29] <[diecast]> ouch
[21:30] <AC`97> my pi forgave me :D
[21:31] <[diecast]> the i2c logic level converter is needed for the sensors though right?
[21:32] <AC`97> not always.
[21:32] <[SLB]> http://learn.adafruit.com/dht-humidity-sensing-on-raspberry-pi-with-gdocs-logging
[21:32] <[diecast]> [SLB]: genius
[21:32] <[SLB]> just one sensor and one resistor
[21:32] <[diecast]> that's where im ordering from too. =)
[21:32] <[SLB]> eheh
[21:32] <spycrab0> my calculation was totaly wrong i thought i must pay 6570??? per year for using the pi 24/7
[21:33] <[SLB]> for electricity?
[21:33] <[diecast]> i like the gdocs addition... i already have a module for that to catalogue my movies
[21:33] <blahee> heh ... a "bit" off
[21:33] <plugwash> my general rule of thumb is that a watt of continuous power costs about a pound a year
[21:33] <[SLB]> i tried that the other day, yeps nice
[21:35] <[SLB]> i remember in italy many years ago it was 1kw/h 200?, which is hm 0.1 euros, now i really have no clue
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[21:36] <spycrab0> if the pi consumes 2 watts per hour it will cost 3.5 per year (in germany)
[21:37] <Dagger2> the Pi won't consume 2 watts per hour though, because "watts per hour" isn't a measure of energy consumption...
[21:37] <[SLB]> that's how you get charged for though
[21:38] <ln-> no you don't
[21:38] <Dagger2> uh, no, you get charged for joules
[21:38] <[diecast]> im at $0.20/kwh
[21:38] <spycrab0> well i just used an cost calculator
[21:38] <Dagger2> or usually measured in kilowatt-hours
[21:38] <[SLB]> in italy we do
[21:38] <[diecast]> my power company displays it on their site for my region
[21:39] <ln-> if it consumes 2 watts per hour, how much does it consume in half an hour? or in one minute?
[21:39] <irgendwer4711> lol, some forum filters the string CHARSET ^^
[21:40] <spycrab0> Can??t wait until the pi arrives ^^
[21:41] <Dagger2> [SLB]: I assure you you don't get charged for "watts per hour", because you can't measure amount of energy consumed in "watts per hour"
[21:41] <[SLB]> it's all a lie then
[21:41] <Dagger2> they may actually claim they are on the bill, but if so then they're wrong
[21:41] <ssvb> some people just don't see a difference between multiplication and division here :)
[21:41] <Dagger2> but don't confused "watts per hour" with "watt-hours", which is perfectly fine
[21:41] <AC`97> watt-hours
[21:42] <Dagger2> s/confused/confuse/
[21:42] * AC`97 is confoosed.
[21:42] <[SLB]> i said kw/h indeed
[21:43] <ssvb> [SLB] kw*h
[21:44] <[SLB]> i doubt in your tachimeter you see km*h :)
[21:44] <AC`97> i see mph
[21:44] <AC`97> :D
[21:45] <AC`97> so isn't that kinda like m*p*h ?
[21:45] <Dagger2> I doubt you see km/h/h either; you'd see km/h (or s/km/mp/)
[21:45] * AC`97 is acronym-illiterate
[21:45] <[SLB]> km/h indeed
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[21:45] <ln-> [SLB]: the unit kW/h doesn't make any sense.
[21:45] <AC`97> what is normal room temperature in C ??
[21:46] <AC`97> 25C??
[21:46] <[SLB]> lol
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[21:46] <Dagger2> ln-: hey now, it makes perfect sense. it's just not a way of measuring energy consumption
[21:46] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/temper.png my pi is warming up
[21:47] <spycrab0> is it possible to run java applications on hard-float linux?
[21:47] <[diecast]> turn on the sprinklers!
[21:47] <Dagger2> if you had a power supply that ramped up at 2 watts per hour, then after 1 hour it'd output 2 watts, and after 5 hours it'd be outputting 10 watts
[21:48] <ssvb> [SLB] if you want to measure the distance, it is km/h*h, or just km :)
[21:48] <Dagger2> watts per hour is like acceleration, when what you want for total consumption is roughly the same as a measure of distance
[21:49] <[SLB]> SpeedEvil, not acceleration, acceleration is the second derivative of the space
[21:49] <AC`97> ^
[21:49] <[SLB]> *sorry not SpeedEvil
[21:49] <AC`97> lol
[21:49] <[SLB]> just *speed
[21:49] <AC`97> SpeedEvil: accelerateeee!~
[21:49] <[SLB]> lol
[21:50] <AC`97> SpeedEvil: it's all your fault for putting common words in your nick
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[21:54] <InControl> grr fiddly little SMD bstds
[21:54] <AC`97> use a torch.
[21:54] <ln-> Dagger2: well i can't imagine what would kW/h measure where it would make sense.
[21:55] <[diecast]> AC`97: when you said i need a relay and an i2c sensor, what exactly does a relay do
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[21:55] <AC`97> [diecast]: it switches things on/off
[21:55] <AC`97> like light bulbs, soldering irons, microwaves . . .
[21:55] <[diecast]> ahh
[21:55] <Dagger2> ln-: ramp-up time in a powerplant. might be 100 MW/minute, say. the plant couldn't go straight from nothing to 800 MW power production, in this case it would take 8 minutes to ramp up to full power
[21:55] <AC`97> works better with older microwaves with mechanical switches/timers
[21:56] <InControl> I think I'm going to strange gert
[21:56] <[diecast]> so the plug for my heater would go into a relay box that has wires coming out to go into the pi
[21:56] <InControl> strangle
[21:56] <AC`97> [diecast]: yep.
[21:56] <asaru> <- has been putting relays in all his light sockets for when my second pi gets here
[21:56] <[diecast]> asaru: find a good price?
[21:56] <asaru> no :P
[21:56] <[diecast]> hehe
[21:57] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[21:57] <asaru> we have a place in town here called american science and surplus
[21:57] <asaru> great store, tons of throwback motors and relays and other electronic goodies
[21:57] <AC`97> [diecast]: where do you live ??
[21:57] <[diecast]> this seems like the safest solution for me - https://www.adafruit.com/products/268
[21:57] <asaru> dunno where they get all that fun stuff but i spend a lot of time there
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[21:57] <asaru> milwaukee wi
[21:57] <asaru> usa
[21:58] <[diecast]> AC`97: i live in new york city
[21:58] <AC`97> [diecast]: adafruit $$$
[21:58] <asaru> yeah
[21:58] <asaru> im sure there are places like ASS in nyc
[21:58] <[diecast]> oh
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[21:58] <AC`97> ASS :D
[21:58] <asaru> yeah
[21:58] <[diecast]> you would be surprised
[21:58] <asaru> we call it ASS
[21:58] <[diecast]> this is not really a bargain place ;)
[21:58] <[diecast]> there are no warehouses of cheap stuff
[21:59] <asaru> its like a army surplus store, but for electronic goodies
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[21:59] <asaru> and other sciency things
[21:59] <[diecast]> ya, those dont exist here afaik
[21:59] <AC`97> [diecast]: http://www.ebay.com/itm/5V-1-2-4-8-Channel-Electronic-Relay-Module-For-Arduino-ARM-PIC-AVR-DSP-TTL-/300749445346
[21:59] <asaru> can get old microscopes, chemistry equipment, etc
[22:00] <AC`97> the 4 channel on that listing isn't so good, i think
[22:00] <[diecast]> i'll get 8 channel then
[22:00] <AC`97> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5V-2-4-8-Channel-Electronic-Relay-Module-for-Arduino-8051-ARM-PIC-AVR-DSP-TTL-/160826465383
[22:00] <AC`97> ^ or get your 4 here
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[22:00] <[diecast]> ok
[22:01] <[diecast]> oh wow, not shipping until october
[22:02] <AC`97> o.O
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[22:02] <AC`97> whichwhatwhere
[22:02] <[diecast]> all
[22:02] <[diecast]> of those relays
[22:02] <spycrab0> how long does your pi take to boot?
[22:02] <AC`97> [diecast]: that's only estimates
[22:02] <AC`97> spycrab0: ~8 seconds
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[22:03] <spycrab0> AC: Which distro and SD are you using?
[22:03] <AC`97> archlinux
[22:03] <AC`97> and 8gb adata card that i bought for my eeepc years ago
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[22:04] <AC`97> it's the cpu that limits boot speed
[22:04] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/eKXXhwhl.svg
[22:04] <AC`97> ^ old
[22:05] <AC`97> bootchart also slows down the boot process quite a bit, heh..
[22:05] <InControl> I think Gert is punishing everyone by using fiddly SM on his borads
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[22:07] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/temper2.png my pi is warming up nicely :]
[22:07] <AC`97> (numbers at bottom are seconds)
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[22:19] <spycrab0> is it safe to run the pi without an case
[22:19] <AC`97> yes
[22:19] <dennistlg> yes
[22:19] <AC`97> the question is, are YOU safe ?
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[22:19] <AC`97> i dropped a screw on my pi yesterday.
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[22:20] <spycrab0> so its not SO easy to destroy
[22:21] <InControl> getting the hang of it a bit better now, tweezers an absolute essential
[22:21] <dennistlg> my pi crashed from 2meter high sidebord to the ground :-)
[22:21] <dennistlg> its up and runing
[22:21] <spycrab0> well thats luck ;)
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> the surface mount chips on the board aren't that fiddly to solder on...
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> however there are a few of them.
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> and they're small...
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[22:23] <[diecast]> do you guys have breakout boards to other stuff on yours?
[22:24] <AC`97> [diecast]: breakout wires :D
[22:24] <[diecast]> or just using ti for video stuff
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[22:24] <AC`97> [diecast]: have you seen my pi?
[22:24] <[diecast]> no
[22:24] * dennistlg only use cables :-D
[22:24] <AC`97> [diecast]: http://goo.gl/JdDt1
[22:25] <AC`97> i need to take pics of my fan when i have time
[22:25] <InControl> I will have a gertboard if I don't breath in the components
[22:25] <AC`97> as well as the huge hole i poked in my case
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> InControl, :)
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> InControl, mine came pre-assembled :-)
[22:26] <[diecast]> AC`97: lots of stuff going on there!
[22:26] <InControl> Not sure going to the doctor telling them I have been snorting capacitors will be a good thing
[22:26] <AC`97> indeed
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[22:27] <gordonDrogon> just testing some atmega stuff on my GB right now - I think I got the wring fuse value for initising the Atmega - it's not a brickalbe one fortunately.
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> gert had some issues early on and managed to brick a few ATmegas... going to ask him to send them to me - I suspect he just used the wring numbers in the fuses.
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> however they are brickable if you're not careful )-:
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> all to do with losing the clock source...
[22:28] <InControl> never used any ATmegas myself
[22:28] <AC`97> i has atiny in my flashlight
[22:28] <AC`97> om nom nom
[22:29] <AC`97> i like programming it for brainf**k strobe
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[22:31] <gordonDrogon> Keep taking the medicine, AC`97
[22:31] <AC`97> ...
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[22:32] <dennistlg> when my raspberry pi led cube is finished i like to build a new with atmega and usb so my girlfriend have a mini cube they can control out from windows
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> this is your 10x10x10 cube? Hows it going?
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[22:33] <InControl> these SMT don't look pretty, I can see a few gertboards being tossed across the room
[22:33] <dennistlg> have solderes the leds but not the controler and shift register stuff
[22:34] <dennistlg> not enought time these days
[22:34] <AC`97> use a torch. no need to do each pin one at a time anymore :D
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[22:35] <trevorman> InControl: I don't understand why its an odd combo of some throughhole and some SMD
[22:35] <trevorman> the prototype was mostly throughhole as well
[22:36] <AC`97> where 2 buy gertboard?
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> Tandy...
[22:36] <InControl> I don't know why he went SMD
[22:36] <trevorman> wait no. its the other way around. there is less SMD now on the release board
[22:36] <trevorman> but still... odd that there are just random smd components dotted around the place
[22:36] <InControl> especially for the resistors
[22:36] * gordonDrogon fetches one..
[22:37] <InControl> 2 of which are in fact 0?? links
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> 9 devices I think are SMT..
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[22:38] <gordonDrogon> I quite like the SIL resistor packs - quite old-fashioned in a way.
[22:39] <InControl> 20 SMD components
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> oh, I've found some more under the motor controller.
[22:39] <InControl> 14 capacitors, 6 resistors
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[22:40] <gordonDrogon> maybe he didn't like resistors on their ends..
[22:41] <AC`97> same here.
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[22:41] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: just dead bug it all! >.>
[22:41] <AC`97> resistors are some of the bulkiest components
[22:41] <AC`97> as well as capacitors
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, dead bug?
[22:42] <AC`97> dead beetle
[22:42] <InControl> little ceramic capacitors are small enough especially the 100nF on the supply to each IC
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[22:42] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: wire it with the chips upside down and point to point everything
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, a-ha... er... yes.
[22:42] <trevorman> AC`97: uhh. there isn't much else that is throughhole that would be less bulky than a resistor unless you're counting a wire link as a component
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, I did see a 'wire-frame' arduino recently - no pcb..
[22:43] <AC`97> trevorman: capacitor >:D
[22:43] <AC`97> i have these capacitors that are bigger than a can of soda
[22:43] <AC`97> and a few even bigger ones
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> I wonder if anyone will use the little prototype area on them... I suggested he make it a big bitter to take a mini breadboard...
[22:43] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: perfectly valid construction technique. just don't smush it :D
[22:43] <AC`97> and 2 more huge ones in my welder
[22:44] <plugwash> trevorman, it depends really, if you mount resistors flat they take up a lot of space
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> Ah, big capacitors... must make a tesla coil one of these days..
[22:44] <plugwash> you can mount them vertically but iirc that is frowned upon
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> is it?
[22:45] * AC`97 frowns at YOU
[22:45] <trevorman> its not good for vibration iirc
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> someone better tell the PiFace people that then :)
[22:45] <InControl> Ahh the smell of rosin and lead
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> 11 upright and one 'normal' ...
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[22:45] <plugwash> well they are computer science not electrical engineering what did you expect ;)
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> I expected them to have more documentation, etc. for it, however...
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> and even now, they're not on general sale by the looks of it.
[22:46] <plugwash> that reminds me I must pop down to the other end of campus and see them sometime
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[22:46] <trevorman> see plugwash's comment regarding compsci if you're wondering about documentation
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> the PiFace shorts something out if you push it too hard - tell them to put some rubber on the base...
[22:47] <AC`97> i read short as "snort"
[22:47] <trevorman> piface r2 - now with a nose
[22:47] <AC`97> indeed.
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> I've yet to find a use for the PiFace.
[22:48] * plugwash has been working on his own add-on board for the Pi though with a somewhat different focus from the compsci guys
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[22:48] <gordonDrogon> I can re-program the GPIO chip, set the inputs as outputs, push the button and short circuit it.
[22:48] <InControl> wooho getting the hang of it now, got the technuiqe
[22:49] <trevorman> oh is the piface the one with the big relays?
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> dab of solder on one pad, tweezers to move the chip and solder one end, then solder the other end.
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, yea, it has 2 relays on it.
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[22:49] <trevorman> you'd be a brave person to use them for mains switching
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> quite!!!
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> they're big relays too - 10A @ 240V ...
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> so someone might try to switch their kettle with it, but I don't think the tracking and connectors are up for it.
[22:51] <trevorman> yeah
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> I do fancy making a mains controller board though.
[22:51] <AC`97> my pointless test is complete. http://ffauploads.com/IQXafvyw.png
[22:51] <DarkTherapy> I recently bought one for Arduino, 8 relay board
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> the thing that irritated me about the piface was that it hides all the Pi's GPIO from you.
[22:52] <trevorman> it doesn't use most of the GPIOs I think. they're just not connected to anything
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, yea, but you can't get to them.
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[22:53] <trevorman> a mains relay board would be useful for the rpi but don't stack it on top of the rpi and don't use so tiny connectors :|
[22:53] <InControl> Surface mount complete!
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> :)
[22:53] <gordonDrogon> InControl, well done!
[22:53] <trevorman> InControl: you can breath out now and relax :D
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> the through hole stuff will be easy after that.
[22:54] <InControl> yep
[22:54] <AC`97> ah, the nice smell of vaporized lead...
[22:54] <InControl> yes I think I should get an extractor
[22:54] <AC`97> make one
[22:55] <trevorman> you've still got the old good solder?
[22:55] <trevorman> its all annoying lead free stuff now which doesn't work as good but hey no lead...
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[22:55] <AC`97> when i need lead-free, i grab my plumbing solder >:D
[22:55] <InControl> yes still using the toxic lead stuff
[22:56] <AC`97> it's like, huge
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[22:56] <trevorman> and it'll have acid flux
[22:56] <AC`97> i prefer solid solder
[22:56] <DarkTherapy> I don't see the difference with lead/lead-free, a clean iron and clean surfaces matter more
[22:56] <zleap> you need one of those vacuum things like on gerts video where hes putting together a gertboard
[22:57] <InControl> Still got half-a-kilo reel of it that I bought from maplin in the 1980's, when maplin was an electronics shop not a toy shop.
[22:57] <trevorman> InControl: yeah. shame that. the catalog actually used to contain components unlike now where its mostly car stereo stuff
[22:58] <InControl> goes to show how little soldering I have done in the intervening years
[22:58] <DarkTherapy> what's the best stuff to clean a pcb before and after soldering?
[22:58] <AC`97> industrial strength degreaser
[22:58] * zleap hasn't done any soldering for years
[22:58] <AC`97> just watch out for the plastics!
[22:58] <DarkTherapy> hmmm
[22:59] <zleap> i still have a few circuits i made up though
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[22:59] <AC`97> i still have my radio jammer
[22:59] <zleap> lol
[23:00] <zleap> careful it would possibly block mobile phone signals in a few years
[23:00] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/V5eQqujpUPaPJ72kQPXFE_zav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[23:00] <AC`97> there's a little airplane on my tuning stick :D
[23:00] <AC`97> and it does indeed block air frequencies too
[23:00] <zleap> ah
[23:01] <DarkTherapy> AC`97: that keyboard looks horrible
[23:01] <AC`97> yes, it does
[23:01] <DarkTherapy> lol
[23:01] <AC`97> i sorta picked it up from a dusty rack somewhere
[23:01] * zleap needs more keyboards
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> DarkTherapy, the lead-free stuff has more tin in it - and it's sort of hygroscopic in that it can grow 'whiskers' and cause track shorts if you're not careful..
[23:03] <AC`97> ^ indeed
[23:04] <zleap> ohh not good
[23:04] <AC`97> spray some enamel or something on it
[23:04] <zleap> esp if you're using surface mount stuff
[23:04] <DarkTherapy> hmm, always been good for me
[23:04] <DarkTherapy> I only do through hole though
[23:04] <DarkTherapy> "that's what she said"
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> DarkTherapy, you'll probably never experience it with "nornal" soldering, but if you're doing really high density stuff - close tracks, etc. it might be an issue.
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> and you can't get 1.1.1 trike anymore..
[23:05] <zleap> gordonDrogon, whats t hat ?
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[23:05] <zleap> 1.1.1 trike
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> zleap, an ozole depletant )-: but it was a very good pcb cleaner - would disolve flux, etc.
[23:06] <zleap> ah
[23:06] <zleap> hmm, i am sure i had something like that, pcb cleaner
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> zleap, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,1,1-Trichloroethane
[23:06] <zleap> i did have protective laquer too years ago
[23:06] <AC`97> i use industrial strength degreaser
[23:06] <AC`97> this stuff even melts my nitrile gloves
[23:06] <zleap> ah, bad for ozone
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[23:10] <InControl> http://www.microcomputer.org.uk/images/photos/Gertboard-SMD.jpg
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[23:11] <InControl> R4 looks particularly ugly
[23:11] <SpeedEvil> sure you can get trichloroethane
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[23:12] <AC`97> InControl: psh, only a few capacitors and resistors
[23:12] <AC`97> i can torch 'em all.
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> InControl, I've not wory about it - Gerts is worse!
[23:16] <InControl> you seen the giant bit he uses in his instructions
[23:16] <hamitron> damn, broke rasbian in 7.5 hours
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[23:17] <gordonDrogon> InControl, no - I've not actually watched the videos!
[23:17] <InControl> I mean the PDF
[23:17] <zleap> hamitron, i broke windows in far less than that, managed to forget to click one of the pull down menus during install to say I lived in the uK, it accused me of using a pirated copy
[23:18] <zleap> which is what happens when you have to tell an OS umpteen times where you live, timezone, country, keyboard etc etc,
[23:18] <hamitron> :))
[23:18] <zleap> thankfully i now know I can restore without formatting, using the options from the installer
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[23:18] <hamitron> worst thing I find, is I don't have a SD card reader for my PC
[23:18] <hamitron> :/
[23:18] <zleap> it sort of wipes c:\windows and puts stuff back on
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> er, not got a PDF either.
[23:19] <zleap> hamitron, ? store may have one
[23:19] <InControl> Aha found my side cutters
[23:19] <InControl> now I can cut the leads of the diode
[23:19] <hamitron> well, no local stores
[23:19] <AC`97> i use a knife to cut leads
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[23:19] <hamitron> should maybe look on ebay
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> ah, the infamous Atmega diode that no-one seems to know it's purpose...
[23:19] <zleap> the diode i have, have really thick leads to em
[23:19] <hamitron> otherwise I'll wait till my next online order
[23:20] <[diecast]> i hae a set of xuron cutters
[23:20] <zleap> but then they are designed for high voltage so
[23:20] <zleap> 1n4001 iirc
[23:20] <[diecast]> comes with a nice hobby pliers as well.. needed for my rc car stuff =)
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> zleap, 1n4001 - that's what on the Gertboard.
[23:22] <zleap> ah
[23:22] <zleap> i have some here
[23:22] <InControl> I used a 1N914
[23:22] <zleap> hmm
[23:22] <zleap> i have an old shoe box full of components
[23:22] <InControl> pretty much any diode will do
[23:23] <[SLB]> i bought some 1n4007
[23:23] <InControl> except zener or shokety
[23:23] <[SLB]> which still have to arrive..
[23:23] <zleap> gordonDrogon, if i made a strip board circuit for the PI (like your ladder board say) how would i insulate the copper tracks (as they are on the underside) from the PI stuff,
[23:24] <InControl> put some stick on rubber feet
[23:25] <InControl> so that nothing comes in contact with metal parts
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> that's the easiest way.
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> I used a bit of cardboard..
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> what I really needed is a long edge connector thing...
[23:28] <zleap> hmm
[23:28] <zleap> like what was on the spectrum
[23:28] <InControl> you mean female pcb header
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[23:30] <InControl> an edge connector is fingers on a pcb
[23:31] <zleap> yeah the spectrum had one, so you had a connector thing to plug in to it,
[23:31] <zleap> joystick connector, interface 1 etc
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> yea, whatever :)
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> I know what I mean...
[23:32] <zleap> yeah
[23:32] <zleap> lol
[23:32] <InControl> much happier now doing through hole
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[23:32] <InControl> LEDs ;-)
[23:32] <InControl> its the little things that make you happy lol
[23:33] <zleap> http://www.molex.com/molex/products/group?key=edge_card_connectors&channel=PRODUCTS
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> little 3m LEDs :)
[23:33] <Fleck> ;pp
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> good job they're not SMT too!
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[23:33] <zleap> InControl, good idea
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> hm. where can I get 3mm LEDs from.
[23:33] * zleap has some sticky feet somewhere
[23:33] <zleap> gordonDrogon, maplin used to sell em i think
[23:34] * zleap has 5mm
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> ah, tandy does them :)
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> I've run out.
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> and they have coloured ones too!
[23:34] <zleap> what is the tandy website again
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/components/optoelectronics/leds.html
[23:35] <InControl> I was tempted to put some of these on my gertboard http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/components/optoelectronics/leds/5mm-yellow-square-led-2pk.html
[23:35] <InControl> they would line up rather neatly I think
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> yes, they might well do!
[23:36] <zleap> gordonDrogon, next time we meet maybe i should bring my box of components you can have a root through for some goodies :)
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> zleap, if you can carry it ;-)
[23:36] <zleap> its a shoe box
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> ah... small box then :)
[23:36] <zleap> yeah
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[23:37] <zleap> and its hardly full so contents can go in a smaller box
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[23:37] <zleap> resistors, capacitors all sorts of stuff
[23:38] <zleap> ahh the good ol ne555
[23:38] * zleap has some ic holders too
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> the 555 designer died last month.
[23:38] <zleap> :(
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[23:39] <zleap> i guess that didn't make the news then, unless you read the right forums
[23:39] <InControl> oh, the classic 555
[23:39] * zleap has a book for ne555 circuits
[23:40] <zleap> don't forget the ne556 dual
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_R._Camenzind
[23:40] <InControl> me to, forrest mims notebook
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> and the quad. Apple II joysticks used the quad one.
[23:40] <zleap> ah
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[23:44] <zleap> gordonDrogon, is this what i need for the pi - PI to breadboard ?
[23:44] <zleap> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/prototyping/male-to-female-jumper-wires-10pk.html
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:45] * InControl isn't going to die, is going to build a stasis chamber
[23:45] <zleap> cool
[23:45] <zleap> just make sure it runs Linux and you should be fine
[23:45] <InControl> and wait to be revived by captin janeway
[23:46] <zleap> if it runs windows it will add new meaning to blue screen of death :D
[23:46] <steve_rox> then start a war?
[23:46] <zleap> ohh wait you can make a PI powered one
[23:46] <steve_rox> with dragons teeth?
[23:46] <zleap> ah
[23:47] * zleap knows which episode you mean
[23:47] <steve_rox> ;-)
[23:47] <InControl> lost me there I'm afraid
[23:47] <[SLB]> where do i see the shipping cost from tandy? i've seen only Delivery (Standard UK Delivery - 3 to 4 days) ?0.8
[23:47] <zleap> episode of voyager where the crew wake people up who start a war
[23:48] <steve_rox> or rather 7 of nine does it without thinking
[23:48] <InControl> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/customer-service ??5 inc VAT to sweden
[23:48] <steve_rox> hence why the prime directive dident halt it
[23:48] <zleap> yeah
[23:48] <zleap> prime directive
[23:48] <zleap> mind you a few episides are like that
[23:48] <zleap> dreadnaught
[23:48] <zleap> for one
[23:48] <[SLB]> thanks
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> delibery was 83p on my last order ... of ?1.82 ..
[23:49] <steve_rox> gawd are we star trek nerds?
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> not me.
[23:49] <[SLB]> y no shipping to italy ._.
[23:49] <InControl> I think I remember that one, they try and steal the Voyager
[23:49] <zleap> yeah
[23:49] <zleap> but they use those sub space tunnle things to get closer to home IIRC
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[23:50] <steve_rox> did you play that star trek voyager game?
[23:50] <InControl> That must be out of date as Italy is shown as a shipping address in the checkout
[23:50] <[SLB]> urm ok thanks
[23:50] <InControl> as is France and Spain
[23:50] <[SLB]> nice
[23:50] <[SLB]> 5? as well?
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[23:51] <InControl> Yes fixed price ??5 for all European destinations
[23:51] <[SLB]> thanks
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[23:51] <zleap> so its probably worth putting in a big order rather than a order for just one or two small things I guess
[23:52] <[SLB]> yeps
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> So if I do another project onna PCB - would you prefer the PCB on the Pi like Arduino shield or off the Pi on a ribbon cable.... I'm inclined to go for off the Pi as the cases seem to be having slots for GPIO cables now ...
[23:52] <zleap> i am sure there willbe cases for the gert board soon, if you can connect with ribbon
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[23:53] <InControl> I expect people will make them, but not much point as you need to be able to move jumpers
[23:53] <zleap> make em with a door or slidy door
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> I'm not sure there will be cases - even skpang haven't jumped on their laser cutter and made a plinth for them yet...
[23:54] <zleap> ok
[23:55] <InControl> But they are still not available from farnell yet, so only a small number of people who have ordered from tandy will have them
[23:56] <InControl> maybe once Farnell start shipping people will start making things to go with them
[23:56] <steve_rox> rember that mission on voyager where we had to go distroy the forge space station?
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> Who knows now...
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[23:57] <zleap> steve_rox, which one was that
[23:57] <InControl> if farnell ever do ship that is, seems people in most of europe have difficulty ordering with them
[23:58] <steve_rox> star trek elite force 1
[23:58] <zleap> oh the game
[23:58] <steve_rox> they crafted the ship design so well
[23:58] <zleap> not episode
[23:58] <steve_rox> i found it nesery to phaser to max in neelix face mind
[23:59] <steve_rox> he vapiourised
[23:59] <zleap> poor neelix
[23:59] <steve_rox> no leeroota stew for me tonight
[23:59] <zleap> lol
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[23:59] <zleap> leola or something isn't it
[23:59] <steve_rox> allough in the brig scene he has popped up and offered me hair pasta
[23:59] <zleap> lol

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