#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-09-18

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[0:00] <steve_rox> its interesting when you start a war on ship useing godmode and all weps
[0:00] <steve_rox> you kill the crew and in brig scene they live agai
[0:00] <steve_rox> again
[0:00] <zleap> not played it, is it like doom or quake but star trek
[0:00] <zleap> hmm, that sounds like quantum mechanincs
[0:01] <zleap> effect preceeds cause
[0:01] <steve_rox> i even killed the doctor once by releaseing a whord of monsters onto him , of cource i got the blame and got killed
[0:01] <zleap> lol
[0:01] <steve_rox> i even decompiled their maps and attempted to port it to source engine
[0:02] <steve_rox> went kinda well
[0:02] <steve_rox> but css on voyager is not a good idea
[0:02] <zleap> css
[0:02] <steve_rox> captain " whats going on here"
[0:02] <steve_rox> BOOM
[0:02] <steve_rox> terrorists win warp core breech
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[0:03] <steve_rox> can be ported into other source mods
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[0:05] <steve_rox> ran out of ideas for pi now
[0:06] <steve_rox> ill give it to the dog to eat
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[0:11] <InControl> use it to monitor your plasma injectors
[0:12] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[0:49] <Orion_> hows it going
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[0:57] <[SLB]> my pi is recognized as cec device as raspberrypi_li, but there's nothing else i can do
[0:58] <[SLB]> the remote doesn't work. is it a configuration issue or just won't it work?
[0:58] <[SLB]> or maybe im missing some libs
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[1:02] <asaru> how is java support on the pi?
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[1:04] <asaru> oracle says you have to have soft float, or something other than raspbian
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[1:06] <PiRocketman> This is another case where the Pi's architecture hurts it
[1:06] <ackthet> oracle can lick my bag
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[1:07] <markbook> how graphic
[1:07] <plugwash> AIUI openjdk works slowly on raspbian but if you are primerally running java stuff you are probablly better off running armel for now so you can run the new oracle JRE which is much faster
[1:07] <PiRocketman> Pi uses an ARM6 processor which has some of the features of ARM7
[1:08] <PiRocketman> There are stocks builds of debian for ARM4, but running those on the Pi is a bit like running an i386 distro on a PC.
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[1:08] <plugwash> There has been talk of oracle doing an armv6 hardfloat release for use on raspbian but no info on when it will appear
[1:08] <PiRocketman> Doesn't utilize nearly the capabilities of the chip so everything is SLOW
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[1:09] <PiRocketman> But the Pi doesn't have a complete implementation of ARM7, so can't run the newer distros that really target that as a build platform.
[1:09] <AC`97> what temperature should i regulate my pi to ??
[1:10] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/pitemp.png i can't seem to decide
[1:11] <PiRocketman> So Rasbian, is basically Debian source recompiled for ARM6 with some flags to a support the subset of ARM7 features that the Pi's processor implements, notably hard floating point stuff
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[1:11] <wry> ackthet: Cheers to that sentiment.
[1:11] <PiRocketman> problem is, not much work has been done by most software to ensure good ARM6 compatibility
[1:11] <PiRocketman> so a lot of software can't be compiled as yet
[1:12] <PiRocketman> and more or less all we can do is whine about it to the upstream software package maintainers
[1:12] <PiRocketman> unless it is something super trivial and easy to fix
[1:13] <PiRocketman> There is a big long thread on the Raspberry Pi forums requesting support for various packages. Java is certainly on the list.
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[1:15] <wry> People use java?
[1:15] <plugwash> PiRocketman, honestly most of the user requests for packages have been easilly resolved because the things holding them up have been silly little problems. There is really only a handfull of really major problems
[1:16] <PiRocketman> Well, things like OpenOffice/LibreOffice are pretty big
[1:16] <hamitron> people are wanting that on the pi? :/
[1:16] <plugwash> Yeah, libreoffice is a bitch not because of any fundamental ties to particular arm versions but because it is just so fucking big
[1:16] <PiRocketman> And JAVA support is a pretty big deal for a project that wants to enable people to learn programming...
[1:16] <plugwash> and because it's build system seems annoyingly fragile
[1:17] <hamitron> isn't libreoffice removing the dependency for java?
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[1:17] <plugwash> Openjdk does work, it's slow compared to JIT implementations but still probablly ok for basically learning to program
[1:17] <wry> It has.
[1:18] <wry> I use libreoffice and don't have java installed.
[1:18] <plugwash> gcj probablly works too if you can live with it's quirks
[1:18] <hamitron> honestly, the r-pi is not a good desktop device anyway
[1:18] <hamitron> ;)
[1:19] <wry> ^^
[1:19] <plugwash> The good news is thanks to the RPF making raspbian the default distro we have a high enough profile to get oracle interested and hopefully we will have a fast java implementation for raspbian
[1:19] <plugwash> it just might take a little while for it to appear
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[1:19] <PiRocketman> Not for most modern users, but it is basically as powerful as the computer I brought to college.
[1:20] <PiRocketman> I am really interested in its potential as a low end desktop in the developing world
[1:20] <hamitron> but there are apps for word processing, better suited to the r-pi, than LibreOffice
[1:20] <PiRocketman> Thinking about ordering a few dozen and sending them off to Cuba the next time my Aunt goes.
[1:20] <PiRocketman> Abiword, Gnumeric, etc...
[1:20] <PiRocketman> Yeah, I know
[1:21] <hamitron> I'm hoping to "find the way" using a r-pi, get using lighter apps
[1:21] <PiRocketman> Most people in Cuba earn the cost of a Raspberry Pi in about a month and it has only been legal for individuals to own computers for a few years
[1:21] <hamitron> then use them apps on a powerful rig
[1:21] <hamitron> with resources to spare
[1:21] <hamitron> :))
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[1:22] <PiRocketman> I am more interested in the Cubieboard as a potential low end desktop, but am trying to get a sense of what applications might be suitable.
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[1:23] <plugwash> Yeah, the cubieboard has enough ram that running modern desktop apps start to become more reasonable
[1:24] <hamitron> I hope the r-pi encourages more focus to be given to low resource computers
[1:24] <hamitron> just generally really
[1:25] <hamitron> it would be interesting to see what could be done, if there wasn't the waste we have.... just throwing more cycles per second at a problem
[1:25] <plugwash> Note: we may or may not have libreoffice in raspbian soon
[1:26] <hamitron> all you guys use raspbian?
[1:26] <plugwash> I've just uploaded a source package based on the version from debian experimental which apparently has a less fragile build system. Hopefully it will build successfully
[1:26] <PiRocketman> I am pretty much waiting on Libreoffice and a decently accelerated X server before making my pitch to the foundation my aunt works with
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[1:27] <PiRocketman> Up until now, we've been sending Netbooks, but we could send a LOT more Pi's both because they are cheaper and because they take up a lot less space.
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[1:28] <btcbuy314> on my raspberry pi every time i try to edit a file with vim, or any program i think, it says "write error (filesystem full?)" but when i use sudo vim, it is able to write
[1:29] <btcbuy314> how could i fix this? and could this cause django to not work?
[1:29] <plugwash> hamitron, it seems that way, there are a few hardcore guys using gentoo, the occasional guy using arch and some still on the softfloat debian either because they need something that isn't ported to raspbian yet or due to plain inertia
[1:29] <hamitron> k, I'm just installing slackware atm
[1:30] <hamitron> raspbian seemed so slow when using aptitude
[1:30] <hamitron> only today I started playing
[1:30] <hamitron> :)
[1:31] <PiRocketman> I ordered myself a whole bunch of SD cards yesterday
[1:32] <PiRocketman> Up till now I've been using an assortment of 4-8 GB cards but I decided I might as well dive into the deep end and ordered four 32 GB class 10 cards.
[1:32] <hamitron> :-o
[1:32] <hamitron> does anyone dual boot?
[1:32] <PiRocketman> A 32GB card is probably what I would be using for the Cuba project
[1:33] <PiRocketman> As we've included copies of Wikipedia in English and Spanish, which takes up about 11 for the Eng and 3-4 for Spanish I believe.
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[1:38] <PiRocketman> hamitron, I doubt it at this point. Easy enough to just swap cards.
[1:38] <hamitron> it so isn't
[1:38] <hamitron> it is 4 ft away :/
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[1:40] <PiRocketman> Lazy
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[1:58] <markbook> this is why I want uboot on a small first partition with PXE configured from my server.
[1:58] <markbook> then i can reset the whole thing without moving.
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[2:02] <btcbuy314> is there a site that has a log of this chat? i asked a question earlier and then got kicked offline so i didnt get to see the response
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[2:06] <PiRocketman> I love how a Linux user will spend four hours setting something up to avoid having to reach 4 feet once in a while :)
[2:07] <PiRocketman> Hey btcbuy, do you run btcbuy.info? I cash in my bitcoins there all the time.
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[2:18] <SpeedEvil> btcbuy314: what question, when. I can scroll up
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[2:19] <plugwash> btcbuy314, http://srv.datagutt1.com/
[2:21] <btcbuy314> PiRocketman: no i dont
[2:22] <PiRocketman> strange nick to have, otherwise
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[2:23] <btcbuy314> yeah i made it randomly when i wanted to talk on #bitcoin and iv just used it ever since
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[2:36] <btcbuy314> anyone recently buy an sd card? whats a recommended one 8gb to 32 gb for less than 25 $ that has good speed and quality? amazon
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[2:40] <ackthet> they have a 32gb with 45 MB/s or mbps for 32 bucks
[2:41] <ackthet> http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-Class-Memory-SDSDX-032G-X46/dp/B004Q3C98S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347928719&sr=8-1&keywords=sandisk+32gb+sdhc
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[2:43] <btcbuy314> ooh thats nice thanks
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[2:47] <ackthet> np
[2:47] <btcbuy314> wait is there a limit to how fast the rpi can read and write? i dont want to pay extra for something i cant even use
[2:47] <SpeedEvil> very much so
[2:48] <SpeedEvil> 25 Meg a second is top
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[2:50] <btcbuy314> yeah 32 bucks is still cheap for 32 gb but i just looked myself and they are so cheap, i didnt realize it went down so much
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[2:57] <PiRocketman> You can get a 32 GB class 10 Transcend card for like $22. That is pretty much close to the Pi's performance limit.
[2:57] <PiRocketman> The Sandisk Extreme one is probably overkill
[2:58] <PiRocketman> I bought one of those yesterday, but for my D7000 :)
[2:58] <anticw> is there a way to increase the fb font size to something quite large?
[2:59] <PiRocketman> Do you have your Pi hooked up to a TV anticw?
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[3:04] <bonelifer> I've seen topics on booting to a usb hd, has anyone here done that? Was it substantially better. Especially looking at those that are using it as a HTPC. I have the guts from a WD Essentials, ie the board and the power supply and a spare drive to hookup to it, so that's not a problem.
[3:04] <anticw> PiRocketman: HDMI connected
[3:05] <anticw> it works well, even hw video playback with omxplayer .... but i wanted to shoot a video of it booting them playing
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[3:05] <anticw> and a larger font would make that easier
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[3:07] <PiRocketman> ah
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[3:08] <anticw> long story short, someone gave it to me and i wanted to say 'thanks, it works ... look'
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[3:09] <PiRocketman> You should load raspbmc. Looks much more impressive playing videos, music, photos, etc.
[3:09] <anticw> i might, i spent about 5 mins to get mplayer working then found umm, omxplayer and raspian and tried that
[3:09] <PiRocketman> omxplayer is pretty useless other than just as a demo
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[3:10] <anticw> i'm very happy it's working well with little effort so far
[3:10] <anticw> well, it barfs on vc-1 content for some reason
[3:10] <anticw> only some
[3:11] <PiRocketman> The Pi doesn't have enough CPU power to keep up with the audio codecs sometimes, resulting in jerky playback even when the video is accelerated.
[3:11] <AC`97> anticw: you can set resolution smaller to get bigger font
[3:11] <anticw> AC`97: yeah, i wanted to avoid that
[3:11] <AC`97> also, brb. moar pizzar om nom nom
[3:12] <anticw> PiRocketman: this is something else, a bug of sorted
[3:12] <anticw> wrt to audio it seems so far to work well
[3:12] <AC`97> anticw: i only know how to change console font on archlinux
[3:12] <anticw> real 52m47.049s
[3:12] <anticw> user 5m5.120s
[3:13] <anticw> sys 3m24.890s
[3:13] <anticw> PiRocketman: that's CPU use for 53 min of playback ... doing sw audio in this case because for some reason ac3 passthrough doens't work
[3:13] <anticw> (that might be a samsung thing, not sure, i expected it would work)
[3:13] <jodaro> woop! my pis just shipped
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[3:15] <AC`97> your piss just shipped??
[3:15] * AC`97 hides
[3:15] <hamitron> going with the flow? ;/
[3:15] <AC`97> ^
[3:15] <anticw> relax and let it flow
[3:15] <bonelifer> hopefully it's fully sealed or that will be a smelly shipment.
[3:16] <anticw> PiRocketman: i hadn't heard of raspbmc until you mentioned it ... does it do the same codecs/formats as omxplayer more or less?
[3:16] <anticw> i know they recently added vc-1 suppport so that fact it has quirks doesn't surprise me
[3:17] <PiRocketman> It is a build of Raspbian with XBMC preinstalled/configured
[3:17] <anticw> i can't just apt-get it?
[3:17] * anticw is very lazy
[3:17] <PiRocketman> It support h.264 out of the box and you can add VC1 and MPEG2 just by typing in your license serial codes (costs about $5 for the licenses).
[3:17] <anticw> i did that
[3:17] <anticw> seems to work
[3:18] <anticw> the $5 is all i paid in total so far, can't argue
[3:18] <PiRocketman> It is put out by the same guy that got XBMC running on the AppleTV
[3:18] <PiRocketman> I got it working pretty well last night until I started messing around with stuff at the console and broke it! I am pretty sure I had a bad SD card though.
[3:19] <PiRocketman> Anyways, played around with it and got it to stream pictures, music and videos from my Readynas.
[3:19] <sraue> PiRocketman the guy only created a distro with xbmc for atv, he has not got XBMC running on the AppleTV
[3:19] <asaru> is anyone running raspbmc now?
[3:19] <asaru> im curious how much ram/cpu your xbmc.bin is using
[3:19] <PiRocketman> Tested with a couple different version of Big Buck Bunny
[3:20] <asaru> i've got xbian, and my cpu usage seems high
[3:20] <PiRocketman> My install is out of commish until new cards arrive tomorrow.
[3:21] <PiRocketman> But it seemed to do a good job playing back supported media types.
[3:21] <asaru> it does fine
[3:21] <AC`97> is there any way to get more detail on the changes made on the firmware??
[3:21] <PiRocketman> Still think it is a big too marginal for use as a general purpose media center.
[3:21] <asaru> my only concern really is that i cant seem to break 40 or 50k/s over ftp to my pi's external HD
[3:21] <anticw> PiRocketman: are dpkg's for raspbmc?
[3:21] <PiRocketman> Not giving up my Core i7 media center anytime soon....
[3:22] <PiRocketman> http://www.raspbmc.com
[3:22] <PiRocketman> It is its own distro
[3:22] <asaru> it comes with apt installed if thats what you mean
[3:23] <PiRocketman> based on Raspbian. I don't think making it an installable package is a big priority
[3:23] <anticw> no, i meant using what i have w/ a transtition
[3:23] <anticw> ok, fair enough ... i have to say it's a pretty fragmented set of userspace already
[3:23] <PiRocketman> Nah, you have to write it to a card with dd or a similar disk writer
[3:23] <asaru> raspbmc overclocks to 800 by default as well
[3:24] <PiRocketman> asaru, did not know that
[3:24] <asaru> xbian does 840
[3:24] <PiRocketman> Probably needs more than that to decode some audio codecs
[3:24] <anticw> i do over 9000
[3:24] <asaru> has been stable thus far
[3:24] <asaru> 9ghz eh?
[3:24] <asaru> :P
[3:24] <anticw> meh, that was funnier in my head before i typed it
[3:25] <PiRocketman> Thats right out of /b
[3:25] <anticw> i wonder if i can get youtube playing on it
[3:25] <anticw> prob not hard actually witn youtube-dl using h.264 and a proxy
[3:25] <PiRocketman> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/its-over-9000
[3:25] <asaru> youtube via xbmc addon seems to work fine
[3:25] <PiRocketman> for people who don't know what the hell we are talking about
[3:26] <anticw> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik
[3:26] <anticw> it's gotten pretty stale at this point, i'm just old
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[3:28] <anticw> i should just connect the rp up to one of the TVs at work and have it loop nyan cat
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[3:29] <PiRocketman> There is already a solution for getting Nyan Cat at work: http://mashable.com/2012/07/13/nyan-cat-fax/
[3:30] <anticw> we have efax .. not sure that would work
[3:31] <AC`97> i receive faxes on my kindle
[3:31] <anticw> i don't recall the last time i need a fax ...
[3:31] <PiRocketman> Anyone have any opinion on the relative merits of Xbian/Raspbmc?
[3:32] <asaru> i prefer xbian
[3:32] <asaru> have tried both, and openelec as well
[3:32] <asaru> im certain the performance increases in xbian are due to the higher overclocking though
[3:33] <asaru> but i can say for certainty i had more available ram after a fresh install of xbian than anything else
[3:33] <asaru> all three running a 128 split
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[3:33] <sraue> asaru, you can overclock openelec too, but we dont do this by default because it should be up to the user not the distro
[3:33] <anticw> what's the default split? 64/192 ?
[3:34] <asaru> sraue are you involved with openelec?
[3:34] <sraue> asaru, yes
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[3:34] <asaru> thats why i made it a point to say im sure the performance increases are due to the higher default overclocking
[3:34] * hamitron would be upset if a distro felt it had the right to kill his hardware
[3:35] <sraue> asaru, https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/commits/master to see how much i are involved
[3:36] <asaru> are you guys working on dvr capability now that mpeg2 is available?
[3:36] <asaru> i know there is a mythtv frontend for xbmc, does that work yet?
[3:37] <sraue> asaru, yes openelec supports this see also: http://openelec.tv/component/k2/item/250-project-update-pvr-and-raspberry-pi-support-and-important-changes
[3:37] <sraue> ^^^ this was not for the mythtv question
[3:38] <asaru> i see that
[3:38] <sraue> not sure if this works, i dont have a report for mythtv+rpi on xbmc if it works
[3:38] <sraue> but tvheadend and vdr is working
[3:38] <asaru> interesting though
[3:38] <asaru> tvheadend would be more than acceptable :)
[3:39] <anticw> PiRocketman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eixJFLZ6lCA
[3:39] <anticw> i was too lazy to get off the couch
[3:39] <asaru> is there a list of currently supported usb tv tuners?
[3:39] <asaru> (i know i could google most of this but im pretty lazy)
[3:39] <sraue> tvheadend is also the default and most supported from the xbmc devs actually
[3:39] <anticw> asaru: don't claim you're lazy, claim efficient
[3:39] <asaru> hehe
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[3:40] <PiRocketman> anticw, finally a good use for the Raspberry Pi!
[3:40] <sraue> asaru, basically we can add every from kernel 3.2 supported driver... maintaining a list is nearly impossible
[3:40] <bonelifer> hopefully it works on .24 of mythtv, .25 is all crap for the PVR-500 and even the hdomerun.
[3:40] <asaru> i suppose
[3:40] <anticw> PiRocketman: actually, it took longer than it should have, i had to install youtube-dl, check the man page and make the video 3 times because of lighting then upload from my phone
[3:40] <anticw> BUT I DIDN'T GET OFF THE COUCH
[3:40] <anticw> so that's ok
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[3:42] <sraue> asaru, https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/blob/master/projects/RPi/linux/linux.arm.conf you can use this kernel config and grep for "DVB" and "VIDEO" to see whats supported actually
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[3:44] <PiRocketman> Will definitely have to try some of the other XBMC solutions tomorrow when my bucket of SD cards arrives.
[3:45] <PiRocketman> Might try throwing it on my 1st gen Apple TV as well. That thing has been sitting stale and unused for quite a while.
[3:46] <des2> S''ok mose Apple TVs are.
[3:52] <DaQatz> PiRocketman, Are you the same RocketMan that is on thehotpepper forums?
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[5:27] <PiRocketman> DaQatz - Nope. I've never been much of one for spicy foods.
[5:31] <Syliss> hmm, who has cheap circuit boards???.
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[5:40] <AC`97> yay. now my fan is a 2-speed
[5:40] <AC`97> i hope i don't fry anything...
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[6:03] <AC`97> ZZzzzZzz
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[6:05] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JFHFsdL3JMipsn9IhsYk2vDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
[6:05] <AC`97> ^ i balanced a lump of brass on my fan.
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[6:06] <AC`97> this will hurt when it gets unbalanced :|
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[6:27] <PiRocketman> Is 900mhz likely to be a safe/stable overclock at stock voltages?
[6:30] <AC`97> possibly
[6:30] <AC`97> or you may get sd card corruption.
[6:31] <PiRocketman> I am taking an image of my Raspbian card before I do anything
[6:31] <AC`97> i make a backup every time i install/change something :P
[6:32] <PiRocketman> Is it worth getting some heat sinks?
[6:32] <AC`97> er.. no clue
[6:32] <AC`97> i used only 1
[6:32] <AC`97> did you see my fan? :]
[6:33] <PiRocketman> I would backup more frequently but my card is 32 GB and imaging it takes some time.
[6:33] <AC`97> PiRocketman: rsync.
[6:33] <AC`97> it takes me from 30 seconds to ~5 minutes each time
[6:33] <PiRocketman> Saw you talking about it. Is the image the picasaweb reference above? I just got back from restaurant.
[6:33] <AC`97> indeed.
[6:34] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OXCIbDyJJZbTj2ik9fsxcfDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
[6:34] <AC`97> it's controlled by RPi, and has 2 speeds (3.3v and 5v)
[6:34] <PiRocketman> Seems like an awfully big fan to be cooling something that doesn't put out much heat
[6:34] <AC`97> indeed :|
[6:35] <PiRocketman> Because I can? :)
[6:35] <AC`97> it's the only fan i have that's easily mountable
[6:35] <AC`97> it had a bad bearing, so i seized up the bearing on purpose, making it into a sleeve bearing :P
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[6:35] <PiRocketman> I have a big plastic bin filled with old heatsinks and fans
[6:35] <PiRocketman> the old ones that were commonly used to cool motherboard chipsets are the most useful for me these days
[6:36] <AC`97> i have a couple of those too :]
[6:36] <PiRocketman> I should get out the dremel and chop up a few of those heatsinks into something small enough to mount on the pi chips
[6:37] <AC`97> chop up one heatsink :P
[6:37] <PiRocketman> I saw some of the UK companies selling heatsink kits, but not sure if there are any US companies doing so.
[6:37] <AC`97> for all the chips.
[6:37] <PiRocketman> Yeah, probably all I would need is one
[6:37] <AC`97> you've seen mine, right?
[6:37] <PiRocketman> Looks like there are only three significant sources of heat on the board
[6:37] <AC`97> if i were to make another, i'd use a bigger heatsink
[6:37] <PiRocketman> No, just what I can see through the fan
[6:37] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Xc1NIB3_jmJXkHVPwM7j_vDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
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[6:38] <PiRocketman> Well, that about covers it...
[6:38] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NthSeCDByROcaJDX9mojJvDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
[6:39] <PiRocketman> I notice you got a secondary circuit and a relay
[6:39] <AC`97> i left out the regulators though, heh..
[6:39] <PiRocketman> and have bypassed the usb for greater current
[6:39] <AC`97> oh. didn't bypass usb... yet
[6:39] <AC`97> i have an external frankenstein hub
[6:40] <PiRocketman> Isn't that blue wire supplying the USB voltage?
[6:40] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CugfNNxmhhbXvjUjyDJ6mvDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
[6:40] <AC`97> PiRocketman: that's just easy ground XD
[6:40] <PiRocketman> You just playing, or have a project in mind?
[6:41] <AC`97> both! :D
[6:41] <PiRocketman> Does the Pi have a thermistor for temperature monitoring?
[6:41] <AC`97> playing = procrastinating
[6:41] <AC`97> PiRocketman: yes. http://ss.edited.us/120917213630.png
[6:41] <AC`97> (still playing around with my fan)
[6:42] <PiRocketman> Part of the SoC or is it mounted on the board somewhere? Would be neat if you could sense ambient temperature without needing to hook up a arduino or something.
[6:42] <AC`97> inside SoC, i suppose
[6:42] <AC`97> no ambient temperature sensor to be seen.
[6:43] <PiRocketman> I have a friend that likes to build weather stations
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[6:43] <PiRocketman> Wish the Pi had some ADCs on board instead of just the GPIO
[6:43] <AC`97> me too.
[6:44] <AC`97> actually, i wish the gpio was all 5v
[6:44] <AC`97> it'll make adding ADCs super simple
[6:44] <PiRocketman> The GPIO, serial, etc. on the Pi is 3.3v correct?
[6:45] <AC`97> yep.
[6:45] <PiRocketman> Haven't fooled around with hooking anything up to it yet, but I mentor a FIRST robotics team and there is a lot of interest.
[6:46] <PiRocketman> Only have the one right now, though, so don't want to fry it by mistake...
[6:46] <PiRocketman> I only fry things on purpose
[6:46] <AC`97> lol
[6:46] <AC`97> here's all the bad stuff i've done so far:
[6:47] <AC`97> shorted 5v to ground many times
[6:47] <AC`97> shorted 3.3v to ground a few times
[6:47] <AC`97> shorted 5v to 3.3v once O.o
[6:47] <AC`97> ... dropped a screw on my pi
[6:48] <PiRocketman> I dropped my ultrasonic toothbrush on mine this morning....
[6:48] <AC`97> i'm pretty lucky, considering the last time i dropped a screw on something, it went SPARK! and died
[6:48] <PiRocketman> bent a few of the GPIO pins slightly, but not enough to short against anything
[6:48] <AC`97> (it was an 8GB hard drive, back then even 4GB was $$$)
[6:49] <AC`97> was said toothbrush on? :D
[6:49] <AC`97> mine needs a good cleaning
[6:49] <PiRocketman> I have a case coming, but I can't come soon enough
[6:49] <AC`97> make your own :D
[6:49] <PiRocketman> nope, just knocked it over.
[6:50] <PiRocketman> got one of those nice modmypi shop ones on order
[6:50] <PiRocketman> injection molded
[6:50] <AC`97> i like mine better :P
[6:51] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ZOIoATRwWvTP9N98AyWi1vDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
[6:51] <AC`97> (older picture, no fan!)
[6:51] <PiRocketman> Screw terminals for driving a motor?
[6:51] <PiRocketman> I noticed you had a relay
[6:51] <AC`97> 3 relays :P
[6:51] <PiRocketman> Carputer?
[6:52] <AC`97> motorcyclePi :D
[6:52] <AC`97> big relay = controlled by ignition, supplies power and a signal to gpio
[6:52] <PiRocketman> MotorcyclePi turns motorcycle into donorcycle.
[6:53] <AC`97> 1 of the 2 small relays = controlled by rpi (suicide relay), supplies power in parallel with the big one
[6:53] <PiRocketman> Going to use it for music, gps, etc.?
[6:53] <AC`97> 2nd of the small relays = aux device. i decided to use it for the fan
[6:53] <AC`97> PiRocketman: 3 wifi adapters + gps >:D
[6:53] <AC`97> guess what it's gonna do...
[6:54] <PiRocketman> Warcycling?
[6:54] <AC`97> indeed
[6:54] <AC`97> though not quite so passive
[6:54] <PiRocketman> Less suspicious than camping out on someone's lawn in a panel van?
[6:54] <AC`97> haha
[6:54] <AC`97> it'll be all automated :P
[6:54] <PiRocketman> You blasting packets in order to capture faster?
[6:54] <AC`97> yep
[6:55] <AC`97> i'm going to have to write almost everything from scratch, in order to have it be more responsive (i plan to have it work while i'm moving)
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[6:55] <PiRocketman> I know WEP is breakable in like a few minutes these days via that method
[6:55] <AC`97> what if you only see the AP for like 2-3 seconds? :P
[6:55] <PiRocketman> Still have a shot, I expect
[6:56] <AC`97> indeed
[6:56] <AC`97> but aircrack/aireplay/airodump is too slow
[6:56] <PiRocketman> I thought 50% of WEP keys could be derived in like a minute with a 90% confidence in 2 minutes
[6:56] <AC`97> that assumes a good stable signal
[6:57] <chithead> if you want to obtain the wep key by passively listening, you still need several mb worth of data. if you can also talk to the ap, it is less than 10 seconds
[6:57] <PiRocketman> I've been involved with community wireless networking groups in Seattle in the past, so know a little of what is possible.
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[6:57] <AC`97> chithead: gathering IV packets only :P
[6:57] <PiRocketman> Used to have a carputer
[6:58] <PiRocketman> Did wardriving, but only for survey type purposes.
[6:58] <AC`97> i've always wanted a carputer
[6:58] <AC`97> except i don't drive >:D
[6:58] <chithead> actually, operating systems could just connect to wep networks and skip asking for a key
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[6:59] <PiRocketman> Course WPA WPA2 are entirely another kettle of fish....
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[7:02] <AC`97> my 5hz gps seems to be a bit much for the RPi...
[7:02] <AC`97> it actually slows down some of my scripts when i plug it in
[7:03] <AC`97> good thing i didn't go for a 10+hz
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[7:05] <DarkTherapy> morning
[7:05] <PiRocketman> evening
[7:05] <PiRocketman> Looks like we are all over the globe....
[7:05] <AC`97> it's 22:00:58 here
[7:06] <AC`97> :P
[7:06] <DarkTherapy> 6am in the uk
[7:06] <AC`97> O.o
[7:06] <PiRocketman> Hate you morning people....
[7:06] * AC`97 is time-zone illiterate
[7:06] <DarkTherapy> lol
[7:06] <AC`97> what's it like in the future??
[7:06] <DarkTherapy> dark wet and cold
[7:07] <AC`97> eww
[7:07] <DarkTherapy> and it's the same outside..
[7:08] <AC`97> PiRocketman: so, you asked me why i put on such a large fan ??
[7:09] <AC`97> -> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/djX2HcfZo5dS68JDOUANjvzav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[7:09] <AC`97> ^ why do i use so many adapters ? :D
[7:09] <AC`97> also, https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KgxWSebOb4CPpcCLgxob2fzav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[7:10] <PiRocketman> Isn't the light coming out the wrong end?
[7:10] <PiRocketman> wrong, just plain wrong
[7:10] <PiRocketman> stop it, you are hurting my think meat....
[7:11] <AC`97> ...
[7:11] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Zf6u-n7rrVit_F0KwLQKKPzav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[7:12] <AC`97> wrench + bolt, right?
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[7:12] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/3Aina_x3JghFTmnLdoPfjfzav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[7:12] <AC`97> ^ wrenches + bolt
[7:12] <DarkTherapy> my adapters: http://db.tt/EfFMbUcV
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[7:13] <AC`97> DarkTherapy: y no heatsinks
[7:14] <DarkTherapy> why heatsinks?
[7:14] <AC`97> to sink heat
[7:14] <AC`97> :P
[7:14] <AC`97> what temp does your cpu run at?
[7:14] <DarkTherapy> no idea
[7:14] <AC`97> go check
[7:14] <DarkTherapy> how?
[7:14] <AC`97> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[7:15] <AC`97> (if you have the newest firmware)
[7:15] <DarkTherapy> I'm at work :0(
[7:15] <AC`97> ssh D:
[7:16] <DarkTherapy> router not configured, and my laptop (TeamViewer) is off..
[7:17] <AC`97> . . .
[7:17] <DarkTherapy> can that temp log be linked to a gpio pin for a fan controller? lol
[7:18] <AC`97> yes.
[7:18] <AC`97> that's what i'm doing right now
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[7:18] <DarkTherapy> hmmm
[7:18] <AC`97> (switching a fan between low/high speed)
[7:22] <DarkTherapy> I once built a custom heatsink/fan controller for an old Xbox
[7:22] <DarkTherapy> 2004 lol
[7:22] <AC`97> O.o
[7:22] <DarkTherapy> well, a plexiglass Xbox case
[7:22] <DarkTherapy> http://db.tt/tuOwAHV8
[7:22] <AC`97> y so cool? XD
[7:24] <AC`97> om nom nom drill press
[7:24] <AC`97> my drill press bearing is totally dying. i abuse it a lot :|
[7:25] <DarkTherapy> :0(
[7:25] <AC`97> i put dremel bits in it... and use it to cut
[7:30] <PiRocketman> Whats the easiest way to figure out my Pi's current CPU speed?
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[7:30] <PiRocketman> cat /proc/cpuinfo doesn't seem to have it
[7:31] <AC`97> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[7:31] <DarkTherapy> isn't it in the config file on the sd card?
[7:32] <AC`97> no clue
[7:32] <DarkTherapy> or is that where you modify the speed to your liking
[7:32] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[7:32] <DarkTherapy> over clocking
[7:32] <PiRocketman> Hmmm, says 700000
[7:32] <PiRocketman> Which I assume is 700
[7:32] <chithead> the default speed is 700mhz, but some distros overclock by default (config.txt will tell)
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[7:33] <PiRocketman> I set the speed to 900 in the config.txt but it doesn't seem to have taken any effect
[7:33] <AC`97> /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq
[7:33] <AC`97> PiRocketman: nice yes > /dev/null& sleep 2 && cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq; killall yes;
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[7:34] <AC`97> ohwait, cur_freq, not max
[7:34] <AC`97> nice yes > /dev/null& sleep 2 && cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq; killall yes;
[7:34] <AC`97> ^
[7:34] <PiRocketman> ahh, max is showing 900000
[7:35] <felixhandte> Hi all, I've just tried to get sound working and am experiencing an issue where sound cuts out after anywhere from 0 to maybe 10 seconds after I start playing the sound. Would anyone be able to help me diagnose the issue?
[7:35] <chithead> if you have ondemand governor, the frequency will remain at 700 unless there is something to do for the cpu
[7:35] * AC`97 is audio-illiterate
[7:35] * AC`97 buzzes in the background
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[7:47] <PiRocketman> felixhandte, I think you are probably going to want to use a USB sound card if you are planning on doing anything serious
[7:48] <PiRocketman> or hdmi audio
[7:48] <PiRocketman> the built in one suffers from a lot of electrical noise from other components on the board
[7:49] <felixhandte> PiRocketman: Yeah, I guess I may look elsewhere. It was really just a quick project to see if I could play pandora via the commandline client (pianobar). Guess not.
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[7:52] <AC`97> i used pianobar
[7:52] <AC`97> there was a lot of interference when the cpu was used
[7:52] <AC`97> and it was much louder when the audio was muted, for some weird reason
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[7:58] <AaronMickDee> AC`97, do you ever sleep? I randomly pop in here and you are ALWAYS active.
[7:59] <AC`97> ORLY
[7:59] <AC`97> you're the one who's always active.
[7:59] <AaronMickDee> Truth is, I am stalking you. True story.
[7:59] <AC`97> D:<
[7:59] <AaronMickDee> Put the doritos down.
[7:59] <des2> He's sleep illiterate.
[7:59] <AC`97> ^
[8:00] <AaronMickDee> I wish I was... but I have a 3 year old. Sleep is luxury around here.
[8:00] <AC`97> ah i see
[8:00] <AC`97> well uh... time for me to pass out for like 10 hours
[8:01] <AC`97> or 9 hours.
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[8:33] <steve_rox> passing out is difficult
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[8:49] <gordonDrogon> morning fruitbats.
[8:49] <PiRocketman> Who you calling fruitbats? I am a wombat and proud
[8:49] <PiRocketman> proud I say
[8:50] <gordonDrogon> Glad to hear that!
[8:50] <gordonDrogon> Hm. My Pi wrapped in bubble wrap is still sitting at 50C after running all night.
[8:51] <PiRocketman> It really doesn't put out much heat
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> I know. Further reinforcing my stance that the Pi does not need heatsinks or fans.
[8:55] <PiRocketman> I wouldn't necessarily seal it up hermetically, but it is probably good otherwise
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[8:58] <johang> heatsink-less and fan-less operation was probably one of the design requirements for the pi. not surprising it survived the night.
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[9:00] <bircoe> gordonDrogon, that's been my stance the whole time... total power consumption from the system averages around the 450mA mark... hardly enough to require heatsinking a component or two.
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[9:24] <PiRocketman> I am playing around with Crystalbuntu on my 1st Gen Apple TV and Raspbmc on my Pi. Interesting to contrast the two.
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[9:26] <anticw> PiRocketman: so, i have raspbmc working w/ the codecs, etc ... it's very pretty, but to be honest it's horrible
[9:26] <anticw> it's clunky and slow at best, and quite buggy
[9:27] <PiRocketman> Yeah, I just don't think there is enough under the hood for the Pi to ever be a decent media center.
[9:27] <anticw> well, it does about 35fps ... in info
[9:27] <anticw> and when video is playing it's mostly ok
[9:28] <PiRocketman> I could get it to stream a couple special cases, but you would need to reencode virtually anything before playing on the the Pi.
[9:28] <anticw> the problem is everything else it does ... it's all prettied to death and hogs system resources
[9:28] <anticw> omxplayer using about 10% cpu in most cases, 25% at most
[9:28] <anticw> sometimes a lot less
[9:28] <bircoe> So far I've not seen the Pi have any issues performance wise with videos running OpenELEC... and in the end this things is a development board, not a production media player.
[9:28] <anticw> PiRocketman: streaming with what?
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[9:29] <anticw> bircoe: raspian w/ omxplayer performance is fine
[9:29] <PiRocketman> Streaming 1080p h.264 videos from my Readynas.
[9:29] <PiRocketman> SMB
[9:30] <bircoe> same here, I dumped my Avatar BD which ended up as a 8.4GB MKV, h264, 16:9 full frame, AC3 video and it plays just fine in OpenELEC without any frame dropping
[9:30] <bircoe> my Apple TV 2 cannot play this file...
[9:30] <anticw> bircoe: i might try that .... raspbmx makes me want to do a media player
[9:30] <anticw> i'm lost why anything things more buttons is good
[9:31] <bircoe> well it can but it frame drops and buffers like no ones business
[9:32] <bircoe> hmmmpf, gotta go tend to crying babies... work all day and come home to screaming babies... living the goo dlife!
[9:32] <anticw> bircoe: it gets better as they get older
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[9:32] <anticw> once they can walk you can teach them how to fetch beer from the fridge
[9:32] <PiRocketman> You just had to go and have sex, didn't you?
[9:32] <PiRocketman> That will teach you!
[9:33] <bircoe> anticw, i know it does... I have a slav... I mean 2 and a half year old...
[9:33] <anticw> anyhow, the 'pi isn't bad as a media player, but something a bit nicer than omxplayer without going insane like xbmc would be welcome
[9:33] <bircoe> PiRocketman, of course... have you tried it? it's kinda fun
[9:33] <PiRocketman> XBMC via Crystalbuntu on my Gen 1 Apple TV seems to work much better for general media playback
[9:34] <PiRocketman> Haven't tried any 1080p though as I just have it connected via 802.11G wifi atm, so it is bandwidth limited
[9:34] <PiRocketman> Gotta hook it up to my gigabit and projector and receiver and see how it does
[9:34] <anticw> 1080p with omxplayer works well here in a test
[9:34] <PiRocketman> Would love to replace the Core i7 power hog I have hooked up currently
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[9:35] <anticw> real 17m31.303s
[9:35] <anticw> user 1m32.100s
[9:35] <anticw> sys 0m48.060s
[9:35] <anticw> that's from SD content mp4
[9:36] <anticw> so 13% CPU
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[9:38] <bircoe> Core i7 just for media playback?
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[9:39] <anticw> bircoe: i have a dual core ht atom for media playback running boxee and it's crap
[9:39] <PiRocketman> I believe in overkill :)
[9:39] <anticw> i would replace that with a core i7 if i could find one cool and silent ... just because i want it working
[9:39] <anticw> actually, boxee is aweful sw
[9:39] <PiRocketman> Mine is pretty quiet actually, but uses up a lot of power.
[9:40] <PiRocketman> Probably 3-400 watts constant
[9:40] <des2> yeesh
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[9:40] <anticw> modern intel machines don't get that hot, my workstation is a dual socket xeon and it's 110W or so with about 8 disks or so in it, 34C system temp
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[9:41] <anticw> but for a media player i really just want something lean and not retarded, the roku is horrible
[9:41] <anticw> and boxee even worse in some ways
[9:41] <anticw> PiRocketman: 1080p ~30fps :
[9:41] <anticw> real 2m41.325s
[9:41] <anticw> user 0m45.250s
[9:41] <anticw> sys 0m24.570s
[9:42] <anticw> so 43% CPU there
[9:42] <anticw> but it worked just fine
[9:42] <johang> anticw: looking for a better media player on the pi?
[9:43] <PiRocketman> Yeah, but even decoding certain audio codecs is enough to cause it to choke
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[9:44] <anticw> johang: well, i was given it and was surprised when poking about how well it works
[9:44] <anticw> so yeah, no i'm thinking about it
[9:44] <anticw> the other option is haswell in a fanless case
[9:44] <anticw> does anyone here understand how the video output hw works at a high level?
[9:45] <anticw> like, when video is played, is it decoded into the framebuffer or done as an overlay?
[9:45] <johang> well, the HW is two-part. decode and render.
[9:46] <anticw> sure, but that render could be done on the fly
[9:46] <anticw> even color space conversion, etc
[9:46] <johang> yes
[9:46] <anticw> so that's what happens here?
[9:46] <johang> the best way to do it (performance-wise) is to "tunnel" decode and render, so it decodes and renders directly onto the screen.
[9:46] <anticw> and if so, can i put overlays over the video? for OSD menus, etc
[9:46] <johang> like a layer.
[9:47] <johang> yes, then you can draw ontop of video with openvg or opengles2
[9:47] <anticw> right, but am i rendering to a framebuffer then writing over those pixels
[9:47] <johang> yes, sort of.
[9:48] <johang> you render into a layer, then draw into another layer, then the chip blends those two.
[9:48] <johang> I don't know how many layers there are. probably more than 2.
[9:48] <anticw> isn't that expensive for 1080p?
[9:48] <anticw> i mean, it's a low of video bw required for something you mostly won't touch
[9:49] <anticw> also, i assme layers don't have to be full frames ... and there is scaling done on the fly
[9:49] <johang> the blending is done in HW, so I think it's fine.
[9:49] <anticw> blending is free sure
[9:49] <anticw> but decode -> espand at 30fps @ 1080p is still quite a bit of bw
[9:50] <anticw> well, 178MB/s
[9:50] <anticw> i guess it's not that much but even so
[9:50] <anticw> if they do full porter-duff and have 8-bits for Alpha then it would be 1/3 more
[9:51] <anticw> 240MB/s
[9:51] <johang> 1080p decode+render has been proved to work, so apparently the available mem BW is enough.
[9:51] <anticw> johang: yeah, it does work ... i'm wondering just what i can do over the top of it
[9:51] <johang> I don't know the details inside the VC chip.
[9:51] <anticw> there are limited docs somewhere i assume
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[9:52] <johang> sadly, the documentation is very slim.
[9:53] <anticw> omxplayer does some of what i want, raspbmc some more ... so i'm assuming there are enough docs
[9:53] <anticw> bircoe: you use daily rpi builds of openelec?
[9:54] <johang> anticw: what are you planning to do?
[9:54] <anticw> johang: that depends how motivated i feel, put a skin and some smarts around something like omxplayer if i can't find something suitable
[9:55] <anticw> omxplayer is a bit quirky in some ways though, seeking, etc
[9:55] <anticw> none of the players have sane scrubbers
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[9:55] <anticw> and i don't have any desire for smb or anything like that, IMO they are misplaced features
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[9:55] <anticw> i think a dumb player that talks to a dedicated server over http and gets index, scrubber hints, etc would make more sense
[9:56] <johang> I've been looking into porting media-explorer to the pi.
[9:56] <johang> http://media-explorer.org/
[9:56] <johang> there's some work to do though, since it's using gstreamer for playback.
[9:56] <anticw> ok, that looks a bit more sane (ie. minimal)
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[9:57] <johang> yes! here's a video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA4uTPmbzSI
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[9:58] <anticw> that's a lot more involved that i was thinking
[9:58] <anticw> really, i was thinking very minimal and pushing most of the effort to a server
[9:58] <johang> right
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[9:58] <anticw> even things like thumb, index generation, and as needed transcoding
[9:58] <anticw> i was going to do this for a roku ... but well, i looked at the sdk for it and just got all stabby and pissed off
[9:58] <anticw> and for some reason it's dog slow
[9:59] <johang> ah, transcoding on the server-side?
[9:59] <anticw> same cpu i think though
[9:59] <anticw> only if needed
[9:59] <anticw> the idea is make the media player very thin and talk http to a server
[9:59] <johang> now with the extra licenses the pi can handle most codecs.
[9:59] <anticw> no smb, nfs, etc
[9:59] <anticw> yeah, those seem to work except for some content
[9:59] <anticw> which causes the chip to freak out
[9:59] <anticw> and requires power cycling
[10:00] <PiRocketman> johang, I would say most codecs
[10:00] <bircoe> anticw, compiling my own builds from source
[10:00] <johang> that's weird. I heard somewhere that roku 2 was using the exact same SoC as raspberry pi.
[10:01] <anticw> yeah, i think it is
[10:01] <anticw> it's slow because roku sw and the way you do things on it blows
[10:01] <anticw> native apps are tolerable
[10:01] <anticw> kids like angry birds
[10:01] <PiRocketman> It handles a few codecs in common use, but far from all. Less than 1/3 of my media collection is in video formats that are compatible.
[10:01] <cerjam2> ive yet to find a video it wont play
[10:01] <anticw> but their pretend script and what not with it's builting primitives are just aweful
[10:01] <anticw> even apps like netflix and pandora on it, which i assume get a lot of attention are slow and quirky
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[10:02] <johang> PiRocketman: well yeah, the windows media stuff is not available. which other codecs can't rpi play?
[10:02] <anticw> part of it is me perhaps, i have an *extremely* low tolerance for latency
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[10:03] <PiRocketman> I don't believe there is any any mpeg4 part 2 acceleration.
[10:04] <linuxstb> There is.
[10:04] <PiRocketman> Just H.264, correct, which is a different Mpeg4 standard
[10:04] <PiRocketman> ???
[10:04] <anticw> part 2 is something else
[10:04] <linuxstb> Correct. And it's supported.
[10:04] <PiRocketman> XVID and the like
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[10:05] <anticw> h.263?
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[10:05] <johang> raspberry pi handles both h263 hand h264 I believe
[10:06] <anticw> in hw or via ffmpeg?
[10:06] <johang> HW.
[10:06] <anticw> i assumed it was the later as most of that content tends to be low bitrate
[10:06] <anticw> i think we have teleconference stuff that uses that
[10:07] <johang> don't take my word for it.
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[10:07] <linuxstb> xbmc and omxplayer don't do any video decoding in software - anything it plays is done in hardware.
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[10:08] <anticw> ffmpeg is just use for container access then?
[10:08] <anticw> actually, omxplayer does audio decode in sw
[10:08] <linuxstb> Snd audio I guess.
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[10:09] <linuxstb> ^And audio...
[10:09] <johang> it can do HW audio decode too, right?
[10:09] <anticw> yeah
[10:09] <linuxstb> In theory.
[10:09] <anticw> but it doesn't work on my tv for some content
[10:09] <anticw> ac3 for some reason ... nfi why
[10:09] <anticw> i might call samsung one day
[10:09] <linuxstb> Oh, you mean passthrough?
[10:09] <anticw> or plug in ethernet and let it update itself and see if that fixes it
[10:09] <anticw> yeah
[10:09] <linuxstb> Yes, omxplayer suppors that I think.
[10:10] <anticw> passthough ac3 doesn't work, everything else seems to
[10:10] <anticw> might also be a player bug
[10:10] <linuxstb> But the Pi's SoC can also support hardware audio codecs. It's just that none are licensed IIUC.
[10:10] <anticw> can the video mode be changed w/o rebooting?
[10:10] <anticw> or is this a limitation of the current firmware?
[10:11] <johang> linuxstb: ah, so RPi in it's current state can't decode audio in HW?
[10:11] <linuxstb> It should be able to, but I'm not sure if there are any utilities to do it. Video players for example can tell the GPU to switch resolution to match the resolution and/or framerate of the video its playing.
[10:11] <anticw> bircoe: are you cross compiling openelec? i assume so or it would be agony
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[10:13] <anticw> linuxstb: omxplayer has -w for hw audio decode but i never got it working
[10:13] <linuxstb> johang: Correct.
[10:13] <anticw> there is also --hdmiclocksync
[10:14] <linuxstb> anticw: Hmm, is that a new option do you know?
[10:14] <anticw> i think so
[10:14] * linuxstb checks the changes in omxplayer...
[10:14] <anticw> Version: 0.2.1~git20120916~2612f1d7
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[10:15] <linuxstb> Hmm, no - it seems to have been there since March...
[10:17] <linuxstb> So yes, omxplayer appears to have hw audio decoding in place. But AFAIK, there are no audio codecs licensed, so it won't work.
[10:18] <johang> no big deal I guess. audio decode is cheap.
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[10:18] <anticw> how do the license work? i assume they are just not exposed by drivers/fw w/o a key?
[10:18] <anticw> s/license/codec/
[10:19] <linuxstb> Yes, it would be the same as the MPEG-2 license.
[10:19] <anticw> i meant technically
[10:19] <anticw> i assume the silicon is there and working, i just wonder what hides/limits this w/o a key
[10:20] <linuxstb> The codec is just software that runs on the GPU. The software will refuse to run without the key being in the config.txt file. I don't know exactly how it works though.
[10:20] <anticw> oh, didn't know it was done like that, i thought it might have been a hard feature of the chip
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[10:22] <linuxstb> johang: Yes, audio is generally cheap, although people have complained DTS doesnt' work well, so that would be nice in hardware.
[10:23] <anticw> linuxstb: omxplaye/xbmc ... where did the authors get the details on how to drive chip?
[10:24] <johang> there are example programs in the firmware repository.
[10:25] <linuxstb> It uses the public "openmax" API. But I think they have inside (Broadcom) info as well.
[10:26] * linuxstb is also trying to write a video player using openmax, but is finding it incomprehensible...
[10:26] <anticw> i have broadcom docs for other chips, sometimes having datasheets isn't nearly as useful as you think it would be
[10:27] <johang> linuxstb: I've been prototyping a player with gstreamer. I have some proof-of-concept 720p h264 running, but it's not pretty.
[10:28] <linuxstb> Mine is working reasonably well, but I'm doing no more than the sample hello_video and hello_audio demos.
[10:28] <linuxstb> https://github.com/linuxstb/pidvbip
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[10:29] <pepijndevos> "Although the hard limit of this is that if the Pi draws anything above 1A of current it will automatically shut down." ??
[10:30] <anticw> presumably usb load
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[10:46] <anticw> linuxstb: pidvbip ... that's mostly written from scratch?
[10:46] <anticw> except for vcodec*
[10:46] <anticw> ?
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[10:46] <linuxstb> Yes, it's all from scratch, excluding code I've taken from the hello_* samples.
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[10:47] <linuxstb> It uses libmpg123/libfaad/liba52 directly for audio, instead of ffmpeg. It's intended to be as light-weight as possible.
[10:47] <anticw> i dont see anything to do overlays / layers
[10:49] <anticw> linuxstb: the reason i'm interesting is as the skeleton for a very light weight player that pushes most logic to the server
[10:49] <linuxstb> There is the osd module, which I am just beginning. It's based on the hello_font (I think) sample.
[10:50] <linuxstb> Yes, that's exactly what pidvbip is. The hard work is done by tvheadend, which demuxes the audio and just sends complete audio/video packets via its HTSP protocol.
[10:50] <anticw> ah yes, looking at osd.c now
[10:50] <linuxstb> It's still all very early code - there is a lot to do and I don't have much time to work on it...
[10:51] <anticw> linuxstb: i was thinking if having the containers ripped apart on the server, since that should be lightweight
[10:51] <anticw> and having the server only send the audio needed, etc vs all of the data
[10:52] <linuxstb> You just want an audio player?
[10:52] <anticw> scrubber would be rendered client-side but again using server provided thumbs
[10:52] <anticw> no
[10:52] <anticw> video
[10:52] <anticw> i'm saying if i have mkv or whatever container, it contains junk i don't need to send
[10:53] <anticw> pushing state to the server means i can also track/record what was watched, resume from where i left off, etc
[10:54] <PiRocketman> Raspbmc seems to lose its connection to my keyboard every 10 minutes or so
[10:54] <anticw> usb keyboard?
[10:54] <PiRocketman> and if I unplug the keyboard and plug it back in it reboots
[10:54] <PiRocketman> Yeah
[10:55] <PiRocketman> Never have any problems with it in straight Rasbian
[10:55] <anticw> i didn't notice problems when playing with it
[10:55] <linuxstb> anticw: Unless there is an existing server you could use, I think I would just do it on the client. It should be fast enough, and the overhead of a container isn't that high.
[10:55] <bircoe> anticw, yep cross compiling...
[10:55] <bircoe> I used the instructions from the wiki and wrote a bash script that automates the process
[10:55] <bircoe> http://wiki.openelec.tv/index.php?title=Building_and_Installing_OpenELEC_for_Raspberry_Pi
[10:56] <anticw> linuxstb: we'll see, i really wanted the client as thin and lean as possible
[10:56] <PiRocketman> It is obvious the system is not totally crashed, as XBMC's screen saver/dim function kicks in within a few minutes
[10:56] <anticw> PiRocketman: ssh in
[10:57] <bircoe> takes 2.5 hours for a clean build or about 2 minutes for a rebuild
[10:57] <PiRocketman> whats the default network name for a raspbmc?
[10:57] <anticw> no idea, it uses dhcp and i just knew the IP from earlier
[10:57] <bircoe> on an i5 2400 machine
[10:57] <anticw> bircoe: i have a x16 machine here so it should be a bit faster
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> anyone here have any views on Seedstudio? e.g. their Propogate system ?
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[11:00] <anticw> linuxstb: dvb assumes mpeg2 only?
[11:01] <bircoe> Wow, Aston Martin have released a high priced Android phone... $1600 for a phone with an 800MHz CPU, 256MB RAM, 3.2" screen and Android 2.3!!!!
[11:01] <PiRocketman> Got in via ssh
[11:01] <anticw> i saw that, some fashion labels so similar things
[11:01] <PiRocketman> CPU not pegged or anything
[11:02] <anticw> it's basically not possible for a trendy-label to make a decent phone because they can't get the volumes ou need
[11:02] <PiRocketman> dmesg reveals a bunch of keyboard related messages
[11:02] <anticw> suspend of usb low speed device?
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[11:03] <anticw> bircoe: one thing i have seen done on some of those devics is a 'help me' button where it gets you a person 24/7 to help you
[11:04] <anticw> like if you ran out of coke, or killed a hooker or something
[11:04] <PiRocketman> Sending you the log out of channel
[11:04] <PiRocketman> Don't want to flood
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[11:05] <anticw> PiRocketman: i saw one message once and then it was fine ... i don't know what causes it sorry
[11:05] <PiRocketman> Odd that unplugging it and plugging it back it causes the system to reboot
[11:06] <PiRocketman> not like it is a very high power device. It is one of those ultracompact keyboards with a built in track stick
[11:06] <anticw> disable usb suspend
[11:07] <anticw> if there is such a thing
[11:07] <PiRocketman> interestingly, caps lock & number lock both toggle, but nothing typed on the keyboard seems to get passed to XBMC
[11:08] <PiRocketman> Tried ctrl-alt-F whatever to start a different console session and nothing
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[11:09] <anticw> so you have devices in /sys/bus/hid/devices/ ?
[11:10] <PiRocketman> didn't check that, just dmesg
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[11:10] <PiRocketman> shutdown and rebooted with a different keyboard
[11:10] <PiRocketman> See if I have better luck
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[11:15] <PiRocketman> Other keyboard I have is doing same thing too
[11:15] <PiRocketman> F*&$#*(
[11:16] <PiRocketman> This one is a Thinkpad keyboard with built in trackpad
[11:16] <PiRocketman> Has a built in hub, so maybe that is causing problems
[11:17] <PiRocketman> No clue why the basic Samsung one won't stay connected, though, that one should have very low power draw
[11:17] <PiRocketman> and has never caused me problems in Raspbian
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[11:25] <anticw> is the kernel the same?
[11:25] <anticw> raspian is probably 3.2.27+
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[11:25] <PiRocketman> I got rid of the keyboard entirely and am using XBMC remote from my iPad.
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[11:36] <linuxstb> anticw: No, DVB is h264 or MPEG-2 video, and MPEG, AAC or AC/3 audio.
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[11:59] <PiRocketman> Hmm, other than that bizarre keyboard issue, raspbmc is working pretty well on this new Sandisk 8GB class 6 card I got for it. The 4 GB card I had it on yesterday wasn't cutting it.
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[13:02] <NTQ> Hi. Can I use every SD HC card for my raspberry pi to install debian?
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[13:05] <chris_99> HC?
[13:05] <NTQ> I wanna buy this one: http://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-Extreme-SDHC-Class-Speicherkarte/dp/B0037FLUYU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1347965933&sr=8-2
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[13:06] <chris_99> that seems good value
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[13:13] <InControl> good completed my gertboard kit now
[13:13] <InControl> now need to find a use for it
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[13:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ run diital LED stips to light a room
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[13:25] <PiRocketman> NTQ, a class 4 or above card is recommended and you should have a minimum of 4 GB for a pretty bare install of Raspbian. Personally, I went for a 32 GB Class 10 Transcend card.
[13:27] <PiRocketman> There are some cards that have errors or problems working with the Pi, but most seem to work fine in my limited experience of 4 random cards I had sitting on shelves.
[13:27] <PiRocketman> There is an unofficial compatibility list for SD cards and other hardware here:
[13:28] <PiRocketman> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[13:29] <Lexip> I bought the cheapest crap card I could get my hands on, but then I'm only trying to learn some osdev stuff in assembly, and not using linux. :)
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[13:31] <PiRocketman> I've personally found Transcend cards to be very fast and reliable over the years. Prefer them to Sandisk. Their performance is really good according to testing here: http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#SD_card
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[14:43] <[diecast]> i use g.skill now that they make sd cards
[14:45] <[diecast]> doh! its listed as a problem card
[14:45] <Lexip> :<
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[14:51] <Caver> oops
[14:52] <InControl> a daisy
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[16:07] <Helldesk> has the problem card list been updated (cards re-tested) with the latest firmware?
[16:09] <trevorman> no
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[16:10] <trevorman> its a crowd sourced list and has no guarantees about accuracy or retesting with newer firmware
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> i it quiet today, or just me :)
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[16:47] <DarkTherapy> gordonDrogon: good afternoon
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[16:49] <gordonDrogon> yea, it probably would be if I weren't in the middle of a room with blinds over thw windows..
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> engineers.. hmph...
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[16:49] <DarkTherapy> have you tried any custom firmware on your DSO quad?
[16:50] <DarkTherapy> gordonDrogon: ^^
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[16:51] <gordonDrogon> not yet... didn't know there was any ..
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> and I've not even looked at the existing stuff.
[16:52] <cave> DSO Quad user? is it useable?
[16:52] <DarkTherapy> well it's open source, loads of stuff about
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[16:52] <DarkTherapy> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/QuadPawn for example
[16:53] <DarkTherapy> cave: it's not to bad, takes a while to get used to the ui
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[16:55] <gordonDrogon> intersting...
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> yes, the UI did take a bit of getting used to!
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> anyone bought anything directly off seeedstudio though?
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> they seem to be behind a lot of little projects, breakout boards and so on...
[16:56] <DarkTherapy> there was a firmware I tried, that moved the trigger level faster, and the ui was different, but I'd just got used to it lol
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[16:57] <gordonDrogon> I did one upgrade just because it was there...
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[16:58] <gordonDrogon> I was looking at the seeedstudio fusion pcb service too - looks cheap, but ...
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[17:01] <gordonDrogon> $29.90 for 10 PCBs... almost too good to be true...
[17:02] <DarkTherapy> lol
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[17:03] <gordonDrogon> just priced 100 - under a dollar each.
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[17:04] <gordonDrogon> it's just the hassle of shipping from HK to the UK and currency conversions, I guess.
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[17:06] <DarkTherapy> yeah..
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> and that they only use paypal
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[17:34] <spycrab0> i ordered an raspberry pi at farnell where can i track my order?
[17:35] <_Trullo> they send out a email when they ship it
[17:35] <_Trullo> but expect 2 weeks before you get that email
[17:35] <[diecast]> ya, i got my email this morning
[17:35] <spycrab0> i got the email yesterday
[17:36] <_Trullo> they ship with regular mail, it took a few days for me to get mine
[17:36] <spycrab0> and i brought it on sunday
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[17:36] <RaTTuS|BIG> probably get it tomorrow
[17:36] <AC`97> spycrab0: are you sure it is THE email ??
[17:36] <[diecast]> actually mine is through element14
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[17:40] <[diecast]> Scheduled Delivery: Wednesday, 09/19/2012, By End of Day
[17:40] <[diecast]> exciting =)
[17:43] <gordonDrogon> and it'll be a rev2 too...
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[17:43] <_Trullo> exiting until you do google maps :)
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[17:43] <AC`97> i have set up nginx on my pi. http://rpi.reboxed.net/
[17:43] <AC`97> what should i make? :D
[17:43] <spycrab0> AC??97: pretty sure the message says that my pi has been shipped , i also got my bill
[17:43] <AC`97> oh. hmm
[17:44] <[diecast]> gordonDrogon: is that good or bad?
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> it's ok. it's just what they're shipping now (I think)
[17:45] <spycrab0> well i think it got shipped =D
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[17:46] <spycrab0> well that was fast
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[20:03] <ech0s7> hi all!
[20:07] <ech0s7> it's possible start X from SSH ?
[20:08] <Out`Of`Control> open start vnc
[20:09] <[SLB]> or xephyr
[20:10] <[SLB]> startx won't work over ssh, you can have a vncserver on a new x session
[20:10] <ech0s7> [SLB], now i have only access from ssh
[20:10] <ech0s7> i'm from remote
[20:10] <[SLB]> and the client is a linux or windows machine?
[20:11] <ech0s7> linux
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[20:11] <huene> you can start X programs on a remote machine using a local X server
[20:11] <[SLB]> so you already have x locally
[20:11] <[SLB]> yup
[20:12] <[SLB]> for single apps you connect via ssh -X, if you need the whole desktop session you can use either vnc (server on the server and viewer on the client) or xephyr (on the client)
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[20:15] <ech0s7> [SLB], with vnc server i have to start X on raspberry, are you agree ?
[20:16] <[SLB]> say there's a x session active on the rasp, and you start vnc server to connect remotely to, then you'd get a different x session to play with
[20:17] <[SLB]> to share an existent x session you'd need x11vnc
[20:17] <[SLB]> what do you want to do?
[20:17] <[SLB]> *existing
[20:17] <[SLB]> on the reasp per se there's no x session and you want to use it just remotely?
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[20:17] <ech0s7> [SLB], now i haven't access to raspberry physically, and i would start X on it and show X session from remote
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[20:18] <ech0s7> i'm connected to it by SSH
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[20:18] <[SLB]> okay, you can install tightvncserver on the rasp
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[20:19] <[SLB]> and then a vnc viewer on your client
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[20:19] <[SLB]> like tigervnc or any other you prefer
[20:20] <ech0s7> [SLB], done
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[20:20] <ech0s7> the problem is how start X session on rasp .)
[20:20] <ech0s7> :)
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[20:20] <[SLB]> now launch vncserver on the rasp
[20:20] <ech0s7> before connect from vnc client
[20:20] <[SLB]> it should guide you into the config
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[20:22] <NTQ> Hi there. Can I run truecrypt on the Rapsberry Pi?
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[20:26] <scummos> don't see why not
[20:26] <scummos> but don't ask me how :)
[20:26] <scummos> or how fast it will be
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[20:28] <spycrab0> does someone use the SanDisk Ultra SDHC 16GB Class 10 SD-Card or any other Class 10 SD Card and does it work for you?
[20:30] <_Trullo> class 4 here
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[20:34] <[SLB]> ech0s7 alive?
[20:34] <ech0s7> yes
[20:34] <ech0s7> [SLB], only one moment
[20:34] <[SLB]> sure np
[20:35] <ech0s7> because now i'm updating the system
[20:35] <[SLB]> eheh
[20:35] <ech0s7> (archlinux)
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[20:54] <ackthet> it will probably die, knowing arch
[20:54] <ackthet> :D
[20:54] <tehtrb> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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[20:55] <[SLB]> anyone know of something like this which is still in production? http://www.teampctechnology.com/product_detail.php?id=603#
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[20:58] <AC`97> [SLB]: yes. ebay.
[20:59] <AC`97> actually, no, not ebay.
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[21:00] <[SLB]> hm
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[21:07] <tapas> oh wow, huge channel :D
[21:08] <tapas> so if i read that correctly rev. 2 of the board has connectors for I2S, right?
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[21:09] <tapas> since i'm new to hardware hackery, i wonder how much work it is to get an audio codec actually to deliver to and take samples from the raspberry pi
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[21:09] <tapas> will i have to write an alsa driver even if the chipset is supported by ALSA already?
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> tapas, I think you may need to solder on connectors yourself, but the signals are there.
[21:11] <tapas> while i myself plan to create a multieffects unit with RPB i wonder if there's demand for a ready made solution with a high quality audio codec for other people?
[21:12] <tapas> gordonDrogon: soldering won't be the problem. i wonder a] how much extra logic does a typical audio codec need besides the I2S signals, and b] how much software will i have to write?
[21:13] <tapas> just to get either ALSA or JACK running (i guess writing a JACK backend is simpler than an ALSA driver)
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> tapas, I've really no idea. it's not an area I know that much about.
[21:13] <tapas> gordonDrogon: ok, ty anyways :D
[21:15] <tapas> i assume, reading some stuff about I2S, that it's just a PCM data transport
[21:15] <tapas> configuring the codec will have to be performed by other means..
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[21:20] <gordonDrogon> you may have to write the driver first - I'm really not sure what support there is for it at present - if any...
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[21:24] <tapas> ok
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[21:28] <Vazde> while we are on the subject of audio: how to get alsamixer to work on raspbian? when i try to adjust volume with it, it goes to numbers like 1561 or 7922(when max is 100), using number keys gets it to scale, but then lower number is louder
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[21:30] <tapas> Vazde: do you see the same sort of gibberih if you run amixer ?
[21:30] <tapas> which dumps the mixer state to the console
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[21:30] <tapas> Vazde: sorry, i don't own a RPB yet, till evaluating my options :D
[21:31] <tapas> s/till/still/
[21:32] <Vazde> nope, still wrong range
[21:33] <[diecast]> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002WE4HE2
[21:33] <tapas> then i guess the driver is borked
[21:33] <[diecast]> transcend 16GB class 10 $8
[21:33] <tapas> Vazde: does the driver module have any options?
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[21:34] <tapas> which you could put into modprode.d/bla.conf?
[21:35] <tapas> try modinfo <module-name>
[21:35] <tapas> if it's built as module..
[21:35] <Vazde> yeah, there is snd_bcm2835
[21:36] <tapas> ok, look for lines starting with "parm" in the output of modinfo snd_bcm2835
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[21:37] <[SLB]> alsamixer works fine for me
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[21:37] <Vazde> there is none: http://dea.fi/paste/view/5058cccd0378ef00
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[21:37] <Syliss> [diecast] good price.
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[21:39] <[SLB]> http://imageshack.us/a/img819/769/screenshotat20120918213.png
[21:39] <tapas> Vazde: too bad..
[21:40] <Vazde> [SLB]: what distro do you have?
[21:40] <[SLB]> raspbian
[21:41] <Vazde> hmm..
[21:41] <Vazde> how recent kernel and firmware?
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[21:42] <[SLB]> yesterday
[21:43] <[SLB]> 3.2.27+ #160 PREEMPT Mon Sep 17 23:18:42 BST
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[21:44] <Vazde> 3.2.23-rpi1+
[21:44] <Vazde> could that really be the problem?
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[21:44] <gordonDrogon> InControl, pingy...
[21:44] <[SLB]> not sure, since i've tried alsamixer it has always been working, i don't remember what kernel i had the first time i tried
[21:45] <InControl> hello
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[21:50] <tapas> ok, since i'm a hardware noob, please excuse stupid questions :D
[21:51] <tapas> so if he RPB has an I2S interface that means the driver will have to read bit per bit from the SD connection?
[21:51] <tapas> how can one hook into the word and bitclock in the I2S bus? is there a way to i.e. configure an interrupt?
[21:52] <tapas> erm, sample clock and word select
[21:53] <tapas> i.e. configure the arm to execute an interrupt handler whenever the sample clock changes?
[21:53] <tapas> i assume there's no DMA or similar as on PCs ;D
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[21:54] <steve_rox> anything fun going on?
[21:55] <steve_rox> kinda bored of my pi for now
[21:56] <tehtrb> lol
[21:56] <tehtrb> idk
[21:56] <tehtrb> i'm pretty happy w/ my homeserver right now
[21:56] <tehtrb> failed to install owncloud yesterday, probably due to having no experience with php or sql
[21:56] <steve_rox> http server orwhat
[21:57] <tehtrb> among others
[21:57] <tehtrb> this dude's basically a fileserver
[21:57] <steve_rox> ive got a standard web server running on it but nothing else
[21:57] <tehtrb> got the shit on a usb flashdrive
[21:57] <steve_rox> maybe a ftp server
[21:57] <steve_rox> maybe you should wash it clean
[21:57] <steve_rox> :-P
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[21:58] <[SLB]> i've also set up a vpn server so i'm free when i connect from university :3
[21:58] <tehtrb> wash it clean ?
[21:58] <steve_rox> terrible when a dog shits on ya usb flash device
[21:58] <tehtrb> lol
[21:59] <steve_rox> but like i said im outter ideas
[21:59] <steve_rox> usb headset broke yesterday
[21:59] <steve_rox> meaning replace or re wire
[22:00] <steve_rox> maybe replace and hack the old broken one into some DJ/mic thing i dunno
[22:02] <steve_rox> looks like ms is starting to toot its trumpet over windows8
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[22:03] <steve_rox> kinda funny
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[22:03] <steve_rox> reminds me of the vista band waggon
[22:03] <steve_rox> ms"vista rules" reality:"bugger off"
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[22:08] <steve_rox> i guess ms missed the market with raspberry pi , they could of made their own annoying little locked down os on it and its crazy DRM stores
[22:09] <trevorman> tapas: eh? the I2S interface is an output
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[22:11] <[diecast]> what is the "pi header" board in this image - http://learn.adafruit.com/assets/1866
[22:11] <[diecast]> i dont even see it for sale on their site
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[22:11] <trevorman> [diecast]: https://www.adafruit.com/products/914
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[22:12] <[diecast]> ah, its part of that kit. i see
[22:12] <trevorman> it just makes the dual row header easier to connect to a breadboard. the only rpi specific part about it is the silkscreening
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[22:13] <[diecast]> is something like that required for interfacing with temp sensors
[22:13] <trevorman> no. it is just to make it easier to connect to a breadboard
[22:13] <[diecast]> ok, and how do i connect a breadboard otherwise
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[22:14] <[diecast]> nm, i see some forum topics on it =)
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[22:15] <trevorman> with many male-female jumpers, a ribbon cable like that with an IDC connector on one end and split apart at the other etc...
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[22:15] <trevorman> some people use PATA cables but you need the old style 40 conductor kind. the 80 conductor kind won't work properly.
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[22:17] <[diecast]> i have some "fancy" rounded 40 pin from back in the day
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[22:17] <trevorman> they both have 40 pins/holes but if it is the 80 conductor kind then it won't work
[22:17] <[diecast]> oh
[22:17] <trevorman> the 80 conductor kind has all the ground pins connected together inside the plug
[22:18] <trevorman> which isn't what you want
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[22:19] <trevorman> [diecast]: https://www.adafruit.com/products/826 would be another option but you'd have a mass of wires so the pi cobbler or similar boards would be neater
[22:19] <Hodapp> stop talking about IDE, ATA, PATA, and ATAPI >_> let them dieeeee
[22:19] <trevorman> Hodapp: they have already! people still have endless cables stuck in boxes because "well... it might be useful some day..."
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> [diecast], for temp sensors - you need digital ones or a separate ADC for analog ones.
[22:22] <trevorman> analog temp sensors are too hassle. 1-wire is great for things like that :)
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[22:25] <[diecast]> i bought this one - http://www.adafruit.com/products/381
[22:25] <[diecast]> and this - http://www.adafruit.com/products/393
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[22:26] <[diecast]> will a breadboard be needed for those?
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[22:28] <trevorman> if you want to connect them together easily and non permanently you probably would want a breadboard
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[22:28] <[diecast]> right, think i got the idea now
[22:28] <trevorman> a breadboard is just so you can plug in wires and components easily and make an electrical connection between them
[22:29] <trevorman> you can do it without one but you'll need to figure out some other method of connecting it all up properly
[22:29] <[diecast]> gordonDrogon: i did buy that pile of wires as i wanted to have some on hand
[22:29] <[SLB]> i got this http://www.adafruit.com/products/385 but from ebay
[22:29] <[diecast]> so far i have a small breadboard, the pile of wires and the sensors
[22:30] <[diecast]> [SLB]: ah, yes, that was an option but i liked the cables attached and resistor protected in the enclosure. doubt it matters though
[22:31] <[SLB]> i think the sensor itself is a little bit different in range of measurements/precision but yea shouldn't matter that much
[22:31] <[diecast]> the wired one is almost twice as big though =/
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[22:32] <[SLB]> also on ebay are cheaper
[22:32] <[diecast]> just got too excited, needed it all before the weekend
[22:33] <[SLB]> eheh
[22:33] <[SLB]> yes it's taking me ages instead lol
[22:33] <steve_rox> sounds werid but do they ever use some kinda oil in wires? in my usb headset the data side has got sommat werid in it
[22:33] <[diecast]> sometimes during manufacturing to lubricate the rubber sleeve
[22:33] <steve_rox> cable allso is like its bio de gradeing or something
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[22:34] <[SLB]> dielectric grease maybe or lubricant yea
[22:34] <steve_rox> other side the wire its all bendy and flexy and this side is all tough non flexable
[22:34] <steve_rox> its like some chemical reaction or somethin im nnot sure
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[22:35] <steve_rox> not the first time ive seen this happen
[22:35] <[SLB]> unicellular amoebas prolifering :\
[22:35] <steve_rox> eh?
[22:36] <[SLB]> just kidding lol :)
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[22:36] <steve_rox> im sure if i bent the wire hard enough and fast enough it would just snap
[22:37] <steve_rox> eather way i have to do a cut and shut job on the wire
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[22:38] <steve_rox> do headsets ever last longer than say errrm 4-5 months?
[22:38] <[diecast]> uhhh ya
[22:38] <[diecast]> who makes it
[22:38] <steve_rox> i find it rare
[22:38] <steve_rox> microsoft
[22:38] <steve_rox> :-P
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[22:39] <steve_rox> lx-3000
[22:39] <steve_rox> they give crap sound quality compared to my old ones
[22:39] <[SLB]> i just opened the left earplug which wire some time ago got pulled too much
[22:39] <[SLB]> philips, around 10 years old
[22:39] <steve_rox> these sound like your under water
[22:40] <steve_rox> on my old headset i used to keep replaceing its wire every time it broke
[22:40] <steve_rox> all 5 wires
[22:40] <steve_rox> wish i hadet used all black wire tho
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[22:40] <steve_rox> but getting wire of many colors is expensive
[22:41] <[diecast]> had a sennheiser set for about 12 years
[22:41] <[diecast]> only sent it in once to replace the headband because i sat on it
[22:42] <steve_rox> i modded my old one to have a line in connector
[22:42] <[diecast]> my current pair are panasonic cheap earbuds
[22:42] <steve_rox> still cant understand why this wire has bio degraded
[22:43] <[SLB]> in 5 months, that's serious reaction eheh
[22:43] <steve_rox> on another device a wire became so bio degraded it started to crack and just peel off
[22:44] <steve_rox> exposeing bare wire
[22:44] <steve_rox> only thing that destroys rubber in such a way is oil or petrol ,some kinida solvent like that
[22:45] <tripgod> I have an invite to a private torrent site if anybody wants one.
[22:45] <Hodapp> SHHHHH PIRACY
[22:45] <steve_rox> eh?
[22:45] <tripgod> torrents != piracy
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[22:46] <Hodapp> tripgod: what site?
[22:46] <steve_rox> they do invites for that now?
[22:46] <tripgod> Hodapp, pretome
[22:46] <Hodapp> tripgod: what do you need, email addressp?
[22:46] <tripgod> yes give me an email address
[22:46] <steve_rox> whats pretome
[22:47] <steve_rox> im suspitious :-P
[22:47] <[SLB]> what's the purpose of having invites for a legit torrents website?
[22:47] <[SLB]> making number of registered users? XD
[22:47] <steve_rox> to a website no ones really herd of
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[22:47] <steve_rox> or perhaps makeing a mailing list
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[22:49] <steve_rox> maybe hes for TRH industrys
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[22:58] <AC`97> http://rpi.reboxed.net/
[22:58] <AC`97> ^ what other stats should i put? :D
[22:59] <[SLB]> uptime
[22:59] <AC`97> but it's a motorcyclePi XD
[23:01] <Iota> Free subdomains over at raspberryip
[23:01] <AC`97> orly
[23:01] * Iota nods
[23:01] <AC`97> raspberry...ip.....
[23:02] <Iota> Yup.
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[23:06] <Dmole> AC`97: Fan speed?
[23:07] <steve_rox> heh
[23:07] <AC`97> fan speed.
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[23:10] <Syconaut> fan speed. amen,
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[23:11] <steve_rox> fan speed on a pi?
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[23:12] <AC`97> because i can!~
[23:13] <trevorman> AC`97: I expect a peltier on there by the end of the year
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[23:13] <AC`97> i used the code for my remote receiver to measure fan speed XD
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[23:13] <AC`97> trevorman: i've already tried liquid nitrogen cooling once
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[23:14] <AC`97> that was before anyone knew about the internal temperature sensor. how sad.
[23:14] <AC`97> also, brb.
[23:14] <[SLB]> peltier ftw
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[23:21] <atouk> new raspi-config has overclocking
[23:23] <steve_rox> havent figured out how to update yet
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[23:24] <atouk> sudo apt-get update sudo apd-get upgrade then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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[23:25] <steve_rox> i thinik i rember hearing that it corrupts the boot or something
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[23:26] <atouk> well, overclicking anything has always been use at your own risk
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[23:26] <steve_rox> no the updateing part
[23:26] <steve_rox> not oc
[23:27] <atouk> updating shouldn't. hasn't here
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[23:31] <atouk> firmware update might if done wrong
[23:31] <Vazde> there is an internal temp sensor?
[23:32] <atouk> yup
[23:32] <Vazde> how to read it?
[23:33] <[SLB]> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> it's worthless. all it'll tell you is that your Pi is warm.
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[23:35] <[SLB]> that makes people wear heatsinks and fans :D
[23:35] * [SLB] giggles
[23:35] <atouk> well, if you have it in an enclosed place, that may come in handy for fan control, or overclocking management
[23:36] <[SLB]> overclock is limited to 85? i think
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> atouk, I enclosed my pi in 4 layers of bubble wrap yesterday and left it running overnight. it didn't overheat. it's a myth that you need a heatsink and fan.
[23:37] <atouk> that just tells you it doesn't generate enough heat itself. what about industrial applications, or an enclosure in the sun
[23:38] <atouk> somebody will think of a place to put it that it won't like
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[23:38] <tapas> trevorman: oh it can't be configured both ways?
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> seroously - it's a ?26 computer. if they put it somewhere it won't like, then they can buy another one and learn from their mistake.
[23:39] <tapas> trevorman: [re: i2s]
[23:39] <tapas> dammit, realizing an effects unit with the RPB sounds much more difficult suddenly
[23:40] <tapas> if there's no way to attach a quality ADC/DAC other than by USB
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> SPI?
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[23:43] <atouk> gertboard
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> gertboard has a 10 bit a/d on it.
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> it's not that fast either.
[23:45] <atouk> to quote someone "seroously - it's a ??26 computer."
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> it is!
[23:45] <trevorman> tapas: ah. if thats what you want then it might be doable. the PCM block which does I2S is bidirectional. I thought you were trying to make it talk to a SD card.
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> but it's a fun ?26 computer.
[23:45] <tapas> gordonDrogon: did you mean me with the "SPI" comment?
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> tapas, yes. there are SPI A/D convertors.
[23:46] <trevorman> tapas: no idea if the necessary drivers actually exist though. the broadcom docs do say how to drive the PCM block however.
[23:46] <tapas> gordonDrogon: oh, i wasn't aware of that..
[23:46] <tapas> gordonDrogon: thanks for the hint..
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> tapas, the SPI chips typically sample at the SPI clock frequency, so to get a 10 bit sample back, you need to exchange 16 bits over the bus - 16 bits at 2MHz and you can work out the max. sample rate, etc.
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> the down-side is Linux - as usual, as there will be a gap between data blocks send via SPI.
[23:49] <tapas> what about RT-PREEMPT patched kernels?
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> so timing becomes challenging unless you dive into kernel land, but I was looking at a simple audio frequency 'scope application which should be possible.
[23:49] <tapas> dunno if they are RT enough to process single samples..
[23:49] <trevorman> tapas: the I2S interface can do input at the same time as output so you can just use that.
[23:49] <tapas> trevorman: ah ok :D
[23:49] <trevorman> idk about latency and jitter though. its going to be something you're going to need to investigate and test.
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> it's the kernel time between read/writes over the SPI bus - no amount of RT will change that.
[23:49] <trevorman> I assume that'd be quite important if you're making it into an effects unit
[23:50] <tapas> trevorman: indeed
[23:50] <tapas> gordonDrogon: what "kernel time" are you speaking about?
[23:51] <tapas> gordonDrogon: just kernel latencies after calls of read and write?
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> tapas, the time it takes the kernel (or any code) to execute the instructions to write bytes down th SPI bus and read them back.
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> tapas, yes.
[23:51] <trevorman> the ideal solution for you would be the ARM core just handles input/output and the VC core does the actual processing but we're lacking information on that :|
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> there is a finite overhead each time you call read() or ioctl() - that's not going to change, but if it's small enough, then you need to work out how to send the read()'s at regular intervals..
[23:52] <tapas> sorry for possibly stupid question: "VC core?" :D
[23:52] <tapas> i'll read up on it though..
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> Videocore/gpu.
[23:52] <tapas> ah ok
[23:52] <scummos> "videocore core" :)
[23:53] <trevorman> scummos: ATM machine >.>
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> but at the end of the day, a USB soundcard might be the best way forwards ...
[23:53] <tapas> will i be able to write words or will i have to bang bits?
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> the kernel SPI driver lets you write words.
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> well bytes.
[23:53] <tapas> maybe writing a non standard pcm protocol over USB is easier..
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> well, actually a random sized buffer up to 4K.
[23:54] <tapas> with an extra driver
[23:54] <steve_rox> usb headset repairs complete , dident thinik id be haveing to do that again for a long time , damn electronic junk
[23:54] <trevorman> doing something that required low latency and no jitter is probably not really a task suitable for the RPi USB controller...
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> probably not...
[23:55] <tapas> trevorman: ok :(
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[23:55] <gordonDrogon> Hm. bed time here... zzz
[23:55] <tapas> the same problems apply to the I2S interface, too, right?
[23:55] <trevorman> no
[23:56] <trevorman> the USB controller in the RPi has a single external port and that has the SMC ethernet + USB hub chip hanging off it
[23:56] <trevorman> the controller itself isn't exactly great either
[23:56] <tapas> no, i mean the same problems as to SPI
[23:56] <trevorman> maybe
[23:56] <trevorman> probably better on the I2S interface since it was designed to do this
[23:57] <tapas> that gives me some hope..
[23:57] <tapas> as trevorman said, I2S can do both input and output
[23:57] <tapas> s/trevorman/you/ :D
[23:57] <tapas> getting late..
[23:58] <trevorman> you'll want an r2 RPi if you do want to try this
[23:58] <tapas> trevorman: yeah, i figured that out from the forums :D
[23:58] <trevorman> the r1 RPi doesn't expose the I2S interface in any easily accessible way
[23:59] <trevorman> where you going to get the i2s codec?
[23:59] <tapas> now i just need to find a nice codec :D
[23:59] <tapas> i'm researching the interwebz
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[23:59] <tapas> http://www.utsource.net/AK4524.html

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