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IRC Log for 2012-09-19

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[0:00] <tapas> thhey have the ones in my delta66 for example.
[0:00] <tapas> judging from the spec it seems to have an I2S mode..
[0:00] <trevorman> you'll need to design a PCB for that
[0:01] <trevorman> usually they're controlled via I2C and send the audio data by I2S
[0:01] <tapas> i have a friend who has some experience with the fiddly part of the whole endeavour
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[0:02] <tapas> i'm just researching what our options are at all :D
[0:02] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[0:02] <tapas> and he can design boards, though i'm not sure up to what complexity
[0:02] <trevorman> ah okay. that is fine then :)
[0:03] <trevorman> it shouldn't be too bad
[0:03] <trevorman> its not some horrific BGA monster with a thousand connections that requires 4 layer PCBs
[0:04] <tapas> there also needs to be some glue, like a preamp to raise instrument level to line, etc..
[0:04] <tapas> but that stuff even i could probably solder together :D
[0:04] <trevorman> yeah that'd be easy especially if you've got a PCB anyway
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[0:05] <trevorman> you'll want to see what the recommendations are for that codec though. like how to design the board and whether it wants anything special to minimise interference etc...
[0:05] <tapas> i'll keep that in mind
[0:05] <trevorman> I don't do analog so all that stuff is a mystery to me :)
[0:05] <tapas> hehe :D
[0:06] <tapas> for years i have this dream of having my own little linux system with me that i can use as looper, efx unit, etc..
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[0:06] <tapas> just as a stompboard with maybe some midi pedal for extra functionality.
[0:07] <tapas> CPU power is a limit though, of course..
[0:09] <tapas> BTW: is there a reasonable simple way to emulate some hardware roughly similar to the RPB?
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[0:13] <tapas> oh, qemu to the rescue
[0:13] <tapas> :D
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[0:16] * ackthet wonders what an RPB is
[0:17] <trevorman> raspberry pi board? idk
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[0:32] <ech0s7> [SLB]: alive ?
[0:32] <[SLB]> yeap
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[0:33] <steve_rox> still alive
[0:33] <ech0s7> :)
[0:33] <ech0s7> i have installed tighvnc
[0:33] <ech0s7> server and client
[0:33] <[SLB]> yes
[0:33] <[SLB]> on the pi run vncserver, it should guide you with the config
[0:34] <steve_rox> i was able to get vnc on the pi
[0:34] <[SLB]> eheh
[0:34] <ech0s7> [SLB]: from root ?
[0:34] <steve_rox> but i was then unable to get the pi gui display on the local display
[0:34] <[SLB]> no user is fine
[0:35] <[SLB]> what did you see then on the viewer?
[0:35] <steve_rox> iam attempting to power 2 usb ports from the same power source
[0:35] <steve_rox> not sure if im doing something bad
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[0:36] <ech0s7> [SLB]: http://ideone.com/3T8AA
[0:36] <steve_rox> ive got a multi stack usb socket taken from a dead motherboard and cross connected the +- across both to 2 individuial wires
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[0:37] <[SLB]> okay ech0s7, the server is running on port 5902 (equivalently, display :2)
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[0:37] <[SLB]> not sure steve_rox
[0:37] <steve_rox> nor me
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[0:38] <steve_rox> i have a drop down regulator outputting just under 5v
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[0:38] <steve_rox> hopeing that would run off it
[0:38] <[SLB]> eheh can try i guess
[0:38] <steve_rox> its like conecting a usb port in parallel
[0:39] <steve_rox> without data cables
[0:39] <ech0s7> [SLB]: i'm connected :)
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[0:39] <[SLB]> should work i guess if it can supply enough current
[0:39] <[SLB]> nice ech0s7 :)
[0:39] <ech0s7> but i see this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/278026/Schermata%2009-2456190%20alle%2000.36.49.png
[0:40] <ech0s7> gray blank screen
[0:40] <[SLB]> it's twm i guess, moment
[0:40] <[SLB]> have to edit a config file
[0:41] <steve_rox> the 3.5 lcd uses low ma to function , it should work i guess
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[0:41] <ech0s7> [SLB]: xstartup ?
[0:41] <[SLB]> ~/.vnc/xstartup
[0:41] <[SLB]> yeps
[0:42] <steve_rox> just slightly conserned the 2 devices may interact like feedback , asumeing the end device had a battery in it
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[0:42] <[SLB]> i don't really know steve_rox sorry
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[0:43] <steve_rox> dont worry its okays
[0:43] <[SLB]> :)
[0:43] <steve_rox> i shall see if google images can enlighten me ;-)
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[0:44] <[SLB]> ech0s7, maybe have to add lxsession & at the end, i use wmaker
[0:44] <[SLB]> eheh
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[0:44] <AC`97> i read wmaker as "wanker" :|
[0:44] <[SLB]> :[
[0:44] <steve_rox> haha
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[0:45] <thrawed> AC`97: prepared to be banhammered
[0:45] * AC`97 prepares
[0:45] * AC`97 isn't prepared yet.
[0:46] <steve_rox> werid on my image search i found a image showing how to cross connect the polly fuzes on the pi
[0:46] <AC`97> steve_rox: bypess*
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[0:46] <AC`97> bypass***
[0:46] <steve_rox> double mind screw
[0:46] <AC`97> ind33d
[0:46] <[SLB]> yes the crossing doesn't really matter
[0:47] <AC`97> why did the chicken cross the road then???
[0:47] <ech0s7> [SLB]: or i could change xinitrc
[0:47] <[SLB]> just too long a wire lol
[0:47] <[SLB]> yes ech0s7 i guess so
[0:47] <steve_rox> is there a irc client for the pi?
[0:47] <thrawed> steve_rox: irssi
[0:48] <steve_rox> sudo apt-get irssi?
[0:48] <[SLB]> ya
[0:48] <thrawed> yes
[0:48] <steve_rox> thanks ill make a note
[0:48] <steve_rox> bet it dont have a bloody gui tho
[0:48] <[SLB]> it's textual
[0:48] <AC`97> steve_rox: weechat
[0:48] <[SLB]> yea
[0:48] <AC`97> ncurses be gooood
[0:48] <steve_rox> weechat?
[0:48] <AC`97> weeeee~
[0:48] <AC`97> chat
[0:49] <steve_rox> your insane
[0:49] <[SLB]> XD
[0:49] <thrawed> steve_rox: you asked the pi.. the pi doesn't do x very well so why would the hell would you want a gui for your irc client?
[0:49] <AC`97> all mine!
[0:49] <steve_rox> linux progs have too much type writer in them ;-)
[0:49] <steve_rox> gui is sometimes faster
[0:49] <AC`97> ^ wot
[0:49] <Hodapp> In an HTTP PUT, is it conventional that a query string could contain data to submit, instead of the request's payload?
[0:50] <thrawed> steve_rox: gui is never faster
[0:50] <steve_rox> is if your drag dropping files :-P
[0:50] <thrawed> nobody drag drops anymore
[0:50] <thrawed> it's all ctrl+x ctrl+v
[0:51] <AC`97> control+u, control+y
[0:51] <steve_rox> oh right i do that myself :-P
[0:51] <AC`97> wheee wheee wheee wheee wheee wheee wheee wheee
[0:51] <steve_rox> heh
[0:51] <[SLB]> i find myself now doing more shift+ins than ctrl+v
[0:51] <steve_rox> need to figure out this usb crap before i risk using it
[0:51] <AC`97> oh wow, never knew about shift+insert. interesting
[0:51] <thrawed> steve_rox: you've never used a usb device before?
[0:52] <[SLB]> eheh
[0:52] <steve_rox> i shall resume my search on google i guess
[0:52] <thrawed> google > irc
[0:52] <AC`97> steve_rox: watch out. if that linear regulator goes pop, your pi might see the regulator's input voltage
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[0:53] <steve_rox> its not a linear regulator as such
[0:53] <trevorman> Hodapp: it can do but that isn't normal to do so
[0:53] <AC`97> steve_rox: what is it??
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[0:53] <steve_rox> its described as a drop down converter
[0:54] <steve_rox> it has a pot on it for changeing voltage out
[0:54] <[SLB]> ech0s7, i just uncommented /etc/X11/Xsession i think, i don't remember how my default xstartup file looked like
[0:54] <ech0s7> now i'm preparing to install xbmc
[0:54] <[SLB]> the pi is faster than my netbook ._.
[0:54] <ech0s7> [SLB]: thanks!
[0:54] <[SLB]> yw:)
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[0:55] <thrawed> [SLB]: your netbook probably has acclerated x though
[0:55] <[SLB]> nah :\ intel500poo
[0:56] <chithead> downgrade to xorg 1.9 and kernel 2.6, then you can install the intel emgd ;)
[0:56] <[SLB]> poulsbo drivers never worked, but my atom processor is so slow anyway
[0:56] <[SLB]> oh hm
[0:57] <Hodapp> trevorman: ahh, okay
[0:57] <[SLB]> i should try that thanks eheh
[0:57] <chithead> the psb drivers are even worse, I think they only support xorg 1.7
[0:57] <Hodapp> trevorman: in this case the data is simple enough that there seems to be little point to put it in the payload
[0:57] <[SLB]> oh :|
[0:57] <trevorman> Hodapp: you still doing a POST on it?
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[0:58] <trevorman> if so then yeah thats fine
[0:58] <[SLB]> ech0s7, https://github.com/RB-tomaz/xbmc-rdp-tomaz
[0:58] <trevorman> kludging it with a GET is generally bad as it sounds like this actually changes state which you shouldn't do
[0:59] <ech0s7> [SLB]: it's for debian
[0:59] <ech0s7> i'm using archlinux
[0:59] <[SLB]> ah right eheh
[0:59] <steve_rox> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221120700614 - the power conversion device i spoke of
[0:59] <ech0s7> but it requires a desktop environment ?
[0:59] <ech0s7> or only X ?
[0:59] <[SLB]> no
[1:00] <steve_rox> seems to work well with no heat waste
[1:00] <[SLB]> hm maybe only x, but it has a standalone binary, not sure
[1:00] <[SLB]> i have x and so it works, not sure
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[1:01] <Hodapp> trevorman: PUT, not POST
[1:01] <Hodapp> for minor semantic differences I suppose
[1:01] <ech0s7> [SLB]: you can start it from TTY console ?
[1:02] <ech0s7> and works ?
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[1:02] <[SLB]> yes
[1:02] <ech0s7> so it require only X i thing
[1:02] <[SLB]> i guess so yes
[1:02] <trevorman> Hodapp: yeah sorry. brainfart there.
[1:02] <[SLB]> the de surely is not needed
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[1:24] <steve_rox> is there a cmd which displays all installed programs?
[1:24] <steve_rox> starting to forget all the crap im installing
[1:24] <hamitron> on what distro?
[1:24] <steve_rox> wheesy
[1:25] <hamitron> aptitude?
[1:25] <steve_rox> you lost me now
[1:25] <hamitron> a command line program to managed installed apps
[1:26] <IT_Sean> :p
[1:27] <steve_rox> erm okays
[1:27] <hamitron> there are GUI programs too, but I can't remember their names
[1:27] <hamitron> and the r-pi is a slow device, so.....
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[1:29] <steve_rox> ive only started to learn basic linux cmds since i got the pi
[1:30] <steve_rox> think i may create a backup before i start messin with things tho
[1:32] <hamitron> wow, slackware arm on the r-pi seems really good
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[1:33] <Vlad> steve_rox: dpkg --get-selections
[1:33] <Vlad> or synaptic for a GUI
[1:34] <Vlad> but that'll be sloooow on th rpi i'd bet
[1:34] <hamitron> synaptic sounds familiar
[1:34] <hamitron> :)
[1:34] * hamitron bets so too
[1:37] <steve_rox> i shall make note of these commands
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[1:38] <steve_rox> ive managed to make my pi join this irc server , cant get it in this room tho as it demands all users be identifyed
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[1:39] <IT_Sean> steve_rox, register your nick & ident, and then it can join.
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[1:40] <steve_rox> im still learning how to use this text based irc client
[1:40] <IT_Sean> What client?
[1:41] <steve_rox> irssi i think its called
[1:41] <steve_rox> controling it over ssh
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[1:41] <IT_Sean> type /msg nickserv help
[1:41] <steve_rox> im not that desperate yet ;-)
[1:42] <IT_Sean> the commands to reg a nick are the same in irssi as they are in every other client
[1:42] <steve_rox> trying to set screen name at moment
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[1:43] <AC`97> oh joy. my rpi's ssh is being bruteforced
[1:43] <IT_Sean> awesome. :D
[1:44] <AC`97> it's making my load spike
[1:44] <steve_rox> you left the ssh port open to the inernets?
[1:44] <AC`97> http://rpi.reboxed.net/
[1:44] <steve_rox> interents
[1:44] <AC`97> indeed.
[1:44] <AC`97> internets*
[1:44] <steve_rox> why?
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[1:44] <AC`97> because i needs ssh access
[1:44] <Vlad> to ssh in over the internet, most likely
[1:44] <AC`97> ^
[1:45] <Vlad> sounds like someone needs denyhosts or fail2ban
[1:45] <Vlad> or similar
[1:45] <steve_rox> script kiddys got yo ssh?
[1:45] <Vlad> your rpi has no ponies :(
[1:45] <AC`97> indeed :|
[1:45] <IT_Sean> He wanted to internet while he internetted, so he put an internet in his internet.
[1:46] <IT_Sean> ... or something.
[1:46] <steve_rox> why would anyone attack a pi? unless they were pi scanning for open ssh ports
[1:46] <hamitron> pi scanning? :|
[1:46] <Vlad> it's just an IP to scan to them
[1:46] <Vlad> until they get in
[1:46] <AC`97> my calculator could get bruteforced if i had sshd running on it.
[1:46] <steve_rox> a automatic rape prog?
[1:47] <IT_Sean> heynow
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[1:58] <Dyme21> Hello
[1:59] <AC`97> olleh
[1:59] <steve_rox> hellos
[1:59] <Syconaut> printf("hello world.");
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[1:59] <Syconaut> >;P
[1:59] <AC`97> you forgot your newline
[1:59] <AC`97> >:D
[2:00] <Syconaut> bummer huh
[2:00] <AC`97> indeed.
[2:00] <Syconaut> aah waiting for me new rpi interface boards
[2:00] <AC`97> printf("\n"); // there i fixed it for you
[2:00] <Syconaut> lovely
[2:01] <hamitron> hmmm
[2:01] <Syconaut> adcpi
[2:01] <hamitron> is 26fps in glxgears normal?
[2:01] <Syconaut> :D
[2:02] <AC`97> yes.
[2:02] <AC`97> that's quite high.
[2:02] <hamitron> 26.6fps actually
[2:02] <hamitron> ;)
[2:02] <AC`97> even better.
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[2:03] <Syconaut> lol
[2:03] <Syconaut> its all in the ".6"
[2:03] <AC`97> 301 frames in 5.0 seconds = 60.107 FPS
[2:03] <AC`97> eww vsync
[2:03] <hamitron> on the pi? :/
[2:03] <AC`97> no :P
[2:03] <AC`97> (duh)
[2:04] <hamitron> hey, mine is only std clock
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[2:04] <hamitron> ;/
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[2:04] <AC`97> mine too.
[2:04] <Syconaut> mine too.
[2:04] <Syconaut> no clockness yet
[2:04] <AC`97> sort of.
[2:04] <AC`97> http://rpi.reboxed.net/ <-
[2:04] <Syconaut> rbx! aha!
[2:04] <AC`97> well, it runs stock like 99% of the time, i think
[2:05] <hamitron> oh, it has temp sensor?
[2:05] <Syconaut> NO. lol
[2:05] <Syconaut> unless its a external yadiyada
[2:05] <AC`97> it does, actually
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[2:05] <Syconaut> im looking at hooking up my weatherstation
[2:05] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/tempy.png wheeee~
[2:06] <hamitron> well I am happy now
[2:06] <Syconaut> what are you measuring there? flutter?
[2:06] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/tempy2.png <- fan temp regulation
[2:06] <hamitron> got a distro on my r-pi that actually runs well
[2:06] <hamitron> ????
[2:06] <AC`97> Syconaut: i was playing with fan.
[2:06] <Dyme21> So...
[2:06] <AC`97> also, brb. time to go home.
[2:06] <Syconaut> aha. externals
[2:06] <Syconaut> clever :D
[2:06] <AC`97> Syconaut: temperature sensor is inside cpu
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[2:07] <misterhat> ogaully
[2:07] <Syconaut> orly :/
[2:07] <Dyme21> Would anybody here mind helping me with a problem regarding omxplayer?
[2:07] <Dyme21> :D
[2:07] * Syconaut sleepsyccle enforced.
[2:08] <Syconaut> :/
[2:08] <misterhat> so, do SDL apps run at a reasonable speed without X?
[2:08] <Dyme21> :|
[2:09] <Dyme21> I'll just leave this here in case anyone can halp meh: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=17557
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[2:15] <steve_rox> anyone here bother with additional cooling on their pi eg heatsinks? ive asked before but got little responce
[2:15] <misterhat> i was wondering about that as well
[2:15] <misterhat> whether it'd be worth it or not
[2:15] <hamitron> I see no point tbh
[2:15] <hamitron> sure it is fine as it is
[2:16] <steve_rox> i pulled a small heatsink off a dead motherboard and put it on
[2:16] <thrawed> steve_rox: how big is your e-peen?
[2:16] <trevorman> its not necessary assuming you're not doing heroic overclocking or overvolting
[2:16] <steve_rox> my what? :-O
[2:16] <thrawed> steve_rox: if you're not satisfied with your current e-peen size, then you could add a heatsink, otherwise there's no point
[2:16] <hamitron> and if you are overclocking..... if you need that speed, you should get a different device? ;)
[2:17] <steve_rox> define e-peen
[2:17] <misterhat> well i don't see the harm in heatsinks
[2:17] <thrawed> steve_rox: internet ego
[2:18] <steve_rox> im not familure with it
[2:19] <Dyme21> if I say a part of the human anatomy will I get kicked? lol
[2:20] <thrawed> Dyme21: toes
[2:20] <Dyme21> Seems alright then...
[2:20] <steve_rox> i did supect that was the definition of it
[2:21] <steve_rox> so your implying adding a heatsinik creates a electronic viagra effect?
[2:21] <Dyme21> Good guess then ;)
[2:22] <steve_rox> well i thought coolent may be a good idea for it
[2:22] <thrawed> steve_rox: just dump it in a tank of mineral oil
[2:23] <steve_rox> good idea
[2:23] <steve_rox> how do i change the sd?
[2:24] <thrawed> steve_rox: pull it out
[2:24] <steve_rox> i dont wanna get my hand sticky
[2:25] <thrawed> use gloves
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[2:26] <steve_rox> if i rember right oil destroys rubber gloves
[2:26] <steve_rox> screw it anyways
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[2:28] <thrawed> steve_rox: and where did I mention rubber?
[2:28] <AC`97> leather gloves ??
[2:28] <steve_rox> how sexy
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[2:34] <codebrah> has anyone created RPi webapp
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[3:13] <Caleb> sweet
[3:14] <AC`97> ??
[3:14] <Caleb> heh i knew the name looked familiar
[3:14] <AC`97> :P
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[3:29] <Caleb> AC`97: how do you have your raspi setup?
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[3:30] <steve_rox> does wmv video require that annoying licence?
[3:30] <AC`97> Caleb: wut u mean? :D
[3:30] <AC`97> i computer illiterate
[3:31] <AC`97> Caleb: http://goo.gl/JdDt1
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[3:34] <AC`97> i updated my fan controller script to use /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[3:34] <AC`97> much less cpu usage :D
[3:34] <steve_rox> is that a no ? :-P
[3:34] <AC`97> steve_rox: it probably does
[3:35] <AC`97> vc-1 thing
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[3:35] <steve_rox> im wondering if i did get this licence file how the crap do i use it :-P
[3:35] <AC`97> it's just a key/string
[3:35] <AC`97> you insert it in your /boot/config.txt
[3:35] <steve_rox> yeah but where would i input
[3:35] <steve_rox> oh
[3:36] <steve_rox> and how would the end software erm detect/use it
[3:36] <AC`97> at bootup, apparently :P
[3:36] <AC`97> (no clue. i computer illiterate)
[3:36] <steve_rox> you lie :-P
[3:36] <AC`97> fsck you, i computer illiterate!~
[3:37] <steve_rox> ;-)
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[3:37] <AC`97> (:
[3:37] <AC`97> plugwash: your ipv6 is so 2001
[3:37] <Caleb> AC`97: you got that thing overclocked or something
[3:38] <plugwash> AC`97 ?
[3:38] <AC`97> Caleb: possibly. http://rpi.reboxed.net/
[3:38] <AC`97> plugwash: plugwash (~plugwash@2001:5c0:1400:a::2b7)
[3:38] <Caleb> ok off to work
[3:39] <steve_rox> have fun
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[3:41] <plugwash> Afaict 2001: means you are using an IPv7 provider who has been doing IPv6 for a while, in my case gogo6 (aka freenet6)
[3:42] <plugwash> *IPv6 provider
[3:42] <steve_rox> must find a way to get wifi on the pi
[3:43] <misterhat> dongle?
[3:43] <misterhat> usb
[3:43] <steve_rox> i have one but no idea who made it or what chipset it is
[3:43] <plugwash> 2002: means you are using 6to4, larger numbers in the first field mean you are using a more recent v6 allocation
[3:43] <AC`97> O.o
[3:43] <misterhat> steve_rox: should be plug and play?
[3:44] <steve_rox> on linux?
[3:44] <misterhat> yeah
[3:44] <misterhat> mine are
[3:44] <misterhat> :P
[3:44] <steve_rox> wow black mesa mod
[3:44] <steve_rox> brb ;-)
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[4:01] <aarossig> So does anyone know why this might not work?
[4:02] <aarossig> http://pastebin.com/ZsFRXKmd
[4:02] <misterhat> yeah
[4:02] <AC`97> because \n ??
[4:02] <misterhat> char needs to be a pointer
[4:02] <AC`97> ohthat
[4:02] * AC`97 is C-illiterate
[4:02] <chithead> char* or char[]
[4:03] <misterhat> ye
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[4:03] <AC`97> that was so obvious. i suck.
[4:04] <aarossig> chithead: I had square brackets, it didn't work
[4:05] <misterhat> why not
[4:05] <misterhat> did it give an error?
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[4:06] <aarossig> It just doesn't transmit anything on UART
[4:07] <misterhat> i don't see why char[] string = "asdasda"; wouldn't work
[4:07] <misterhat> unless it needs to be 10 characters for some reason
[4:08] <misterhat> try changing the name of it
[4:08] <misterhat> dunno
[4:08] <chithead> you need char string[10] = "..." or similar
[4:09] <misterhat> yeah that's what i was thinking
[4:09] <AC`97> wot. isn't it automagic
[4:09] <misterhat> yeah if you give it a 10 character string
[4:10] <AC`97> whar's teh null0
[4:10] <chithead> you can omit the 10, then array length is implicitly derived from the string
[4:10] <misterhat> yeah he said that didn't work
[4:10] <AC`97> classic case of PEBKAC
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[4:14] <misterhat> has anyone here put arch on their pi?
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[4:18] <AC`97> meee
[4:19] <misterhat> nice AC`97
[4:19] <misterhat> how is it?
[4:20] <AC`97> it's... nice? :P
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[4:20] <raspberrypifan> is anyone on here good with raspbmc
[4:20] <chithead> better ask for information rather than people
[4:21] <AC`97> misterhat: what are you doing with your pi??
[4:21] <raspberrypifan> i downloaded the installer and then it boots fine in the bmc webinstaller on the pi, but as it says partitioning sd card it says final write to sd card still runing and then it goes all crazy
[4:22] <AC`97> define crazy.
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[4:22] <AC`97> does it pull out a gun and start shooting people??
[4:23] <raspberrypifan> 534.0483001] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 49000856. final write to sd card still running
[4:23] <raspberrypifan> on a loop
[4:23] <toymachine> Hello, In the latest raspbian image GL/Mesa appears to be broken. I can attempt to run glxinfo and/or glxgears and you'll get the error "couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual". Anyone have any ideas?
[4:23] <AC`97> raspberrypifan: overclock ??
[4:23] <misterhat> AC`97: i wanted to run some emulators on it
[4:23] <misterhat> can you run SDL apps without X?
[4:23] <raspberrypifan> i havent changed anything on it, just downloaded the installer image and ran it
[4:23] <AC`97> perhaps.
[4:24] <misterhat> ic
[4:24] <misterhat> yeah i'm getting mine tomorrow and wanting to run these things
[4:24] <misterhat> i heard it's best to just skip X
[4:24] <misterhat> not sure how i'd go about doing it
[4:24] <AC`97> do it like you normally would.
[4:24] <misterhat> just install em and try and run?
[4:24] <AC`97> yep.
[4:24] <misterhat> alright
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[4:25] <misterhat> hope it's capable of some 30 yr old console emulation
[4:25] <misterhat> :P
[4:25] <AC`97> btw, did i mention that i'm computer illiterate?
[4:25] <misterhat> nop
[4:25] <AC`97> well, now you know.
[4:25] <misterhat> ic
[4:25] <AC`97> indeed.
[4:25] <misterhat> sorry then
[4:25] <AC`97> i sorry too.
[4:26] <misterhat> im just excited
[4:26] <AC`97> like, "IT'S ALIIIIIIVEEEE~" excited ?
[4:26] <misterhat> you bet
[4:27] <misterhat> i even thought of the voice whilst reading that
[4:27] <misterhat> good work
[4:27] <AC`97> i did the same thing with my pogoplug. http://reboxed.net/
[4:27] <AC`97> and then raspberry pi... http://rpi.reboxed.net/
[4:27] <misterhat> what is this
[4:27] <raspberrypifan> so anyone have any ideas
[4:27] <AC`97> it's ponies (no clue)
[4:27] <misterhat> i think you're trying to play tricks on me
[4:28] <AC`97> what tricks ??
[4:28] <misterhat> poor html tricks
[4:28] <AC`97> hmm ?
[4:28] <misterhat> <font> tags
[4:28] <AC`97> er.. explain ??
[4:28] <misterhat> http://reboxed.net/
[4:28] <misterhat> ?
[4:28] <AC`97> .. and ?
[4:28] <misterhat> <font color="#55FF55">78420 kB used</font>
[4:29] <AC`97> er, do you actually see that ??
[4:29] <misterhat> nope
[4:29] <misterhat> well
[4:29] <misterhat> I do
[4:29] <AC`97> O.o
[4:29] <AC`97> i html illiterate
[4:29] <misterhat> html 1996
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[4:37] <misterhat> AC`97: i'm blaming you if the pi can't emulate
[4:37] <AC`97> D: why ?
[4:37] <AC`97> i computer illiterate
[4:37] <misterhat> that's just how it's gunna be
[4:37] <AC`97> . . .
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[4:40] <AC`97> FUUUUUUUUUU
[4:40] <AC`97> i pressed up and enter to run what i thought was my previous command
[4:40] <AC`97> ended up with "reboot"
[4:41] <misterhat> :(
[4:41] <misterhat> i hate that
[4:41] <AC`97> indeed :|
[4:41] <misterhat> but i guess it makes sense
[4:42] <misterhat> (09:35:03 PM) AC`97: i computer illiterate
[4:42] <AC`97> absolutely
[4:42] <AC`97> did i mention that i've shorted my pi in quite a few ways?
[4:43] <AC`97> 5v -> ground, 3.3v -> ground, 5v -> 3.3v O.o
[4:43] <AC`97> also, dropped a screw on my pi
[4:43] <misterhat> oh jeez
[4:45] <AC`97> my next move would probably be to short 12v and 5v/3.3v together
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[4:45] <AC`97> they're very close to each other on my terminal block
[4:45] <misterhat> what are you doing
[4:45] <AC`97> good question.
[4:46] <yehnan> Excuse me. If I accidentally input 12V to rpi, what would happen?
[4:46] <misterhat> does the pi have protection for that
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[4:46] <AC`97> yehnan: do it from the micro-usb side, and the fuse will cut off power
[4:46] <misterhat> well like
[4:46] <misterhat> what if you did it directly
[4:46] <AC`97> *sizzle*
[4:47] <misterhat> k
[4:47] <AC`97> and perhaps you get a magic smoke display
[4:47] <misterhat> so don't do that
[4:47] <yehnan> AC`97: and does that mean nothing would happen.
[4:47] <AC`97> yehnan: possibly.
[4:47] <AC`97> i haven't tried it.. yet
[4:47] <misterhat> last time i did that to my usb hub
[4:47] <misterhat> got some nice burning plastic smell
[4:47] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OXCIbDyJJZbTj2ik9fsxcfDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
[4:47] <AC`97> my pibox is so cool :D
[4:47] <misterhat> ok what is that
[4:47] <AC`97> it's a... pibox!
[4:48] <misterhat> explain
[4:48] <AC`97> misterhat: http://goo.gl/JdDt1
[4:48] <yehnan> AC`97: wow...what's that?
[4:48] <AaronMickDee> Welp
[4:48] <AC`97> yehnan: it's a fan stuck onto my pibox
[4:48] <misterhat> ah ha
[4:48] <misterhat> so you did put heatsinks on
[4:48] <AC`97> (and a lump of brass balanced on top of the fan)
[4:49] <misterhat> is it overclocked?
[4:49] <AC`97> possibly.
[4:49] <AC`97> but i lowered it due to sd card corruption
[4:49] <misterhat> how'd that happen
[4:49] <AC`97> no clue
[4:50] <misterhat> ok well i'll admit that's a very pretty pibox
[4:50] <AC`97> i made half the usb port hole by hand :]
[4:50] <AC`97> it took hours
[4:51] <AC`97> then i did the rest with a grinder in like <20 seconds
[4:52] <misterhat> ic
[4:52] <misterhat> so what are you going to do
[4:52] <misterhat> with your pibox
[4:52] <AC`97> motorcyclePi
[4:52] <misterhat> and does it currently run arch
[4:52] <AC`97> indeed. i run arch on everything.
[4:52] <misterhat> nice
[4:52] <misterhat> i approve
[4:52] <AC`97> (being computer illiterate and all)
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[4:53] <misterhat> yes of course
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[4:54] <dan408-> yay! just got my rpi in the mail!
[4:54] <misterhat> nice
[4:54] <misterhat> bitchx
[4:54] <misterhat> i gotta start using that client again
[4:54] <dan408-> yes
[4:54] <AC`97> i prefer weechat. weeeeee~
[4:54] <misterhat> using pidgin atm
[4:54] <dan408-> #bitchx
[4:54] <AC`97> ewwww pidgin
[4:54] <AC`97> :P
[4:54] <misterhat> hey
[4:54] <misterhat> pidgin is wonderful
[4:54] <misterhat> mr font tag
[4:55] <AC`97> i'm css-illiterate. can't help it.
[4:55] <dan408-> http://www.bitchx.ca http://www.github.com/BitchX/BitchX1.2 http://freenode.net/sasl ok im done spamming for BitchX
[4:55] <misterhat> bitchx is hosted on canadian domain?
[4:55] <dan408-> BitchX was created by a Canadian :)
[4:55] <misterhat> nice
[4:55] <misterhat> i am a fellow canadian
[4:55] <dan408-> hence why when you do /wi nick and it says (Canada pHEAR)
[4:55] <dan408-> if they are using a .ca host
[4:56] <dan408-> are you using fedora?
[4:56] <AC`97> . . .
[4:56] <misterhat> me? no
[4:56] <dan408-> well
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[4:56] <dan408-> it's included in Fedora 15,16,17,18 base and EPEL5 and EPEL6 stable.
[4:56] <misterhat> nice
[4:56] <dan408-> sorry not base, but it's in the stable repos.
[4:56] <misterhat> alright where's "hostserv" on freenode
[4:57] <dan408-> hostserv?
[4:57] <dan408-> you mean nickserv?
[4:57] <chithead> or chanserv?
[4:57] <misterhat> can nickserv change hostname?
[4:57] <dan408-> if you need a cloak register your nick and join #freenode and ask for one.
[4:57] <chithead> you can get an irc cloak once you are identified with nickserv
[4:57] <dan408-> cloaks are free.
[4:57] <misterhat> oh
[4:57] <misterhat> k
[4:57] <misterhat> well i use rizon usually
[4:57] <misterhat> they've got a hostserv
[4:57] <misterhat> where you can request one automatically
[4:58] <dan408-> to get an affiliated cloak you must be a member of that project.
[4:58] <misterhat> ah so no personal ones then
[4:58] <AC`97> false.
[4:58] <dan408-> so im a member of bitchx and fedora projects and my nickserv nick is vicodan
[4:58] <misterhat> lame
[4:58] <misterhat> alright
[4:58] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120918195140.png google/picasa thinks this is a face :|
[4:58] <dan408-> unaffiliated/nick is fine
[4:58] <misterhat> oh
[4:59] <dan408-> better than showing freenode your hostname
[4:59] <misterhat> so i can request mister.hat
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[4:59] <dan408-> yes, doesn't mean you'll get it.
[4:59] <misterhat> AC`97: that is clearly a face
[4:59] <dan408-> i dont know how they deal with vanity cloaks
[4:59] <dan408-> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
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[5:01] <misterhat> so dan408-, what you plan to do with your pi?
[5:02] <dan408-> i dont know
[5:02] <dan408-> im still trying to finish off MATE desktop right now
[5:03] <misterhat> is that the ancient gnome?
[5:03] <AC`97> where's the spoon?
[5:03] <dan408-> you mean the fork of gnome 2 that is currently maintained? yes.
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[5:04] <misterhat> yeh i moved on a while ago
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[5:04] <dan408-> to what? cinnamon?
[5:05] <misterhat> no
[5:05] <misterhat> gnome 3
[5:05] <dan408-> im sorry.
[5:05] <misterhat> and lxde
[5:05] <dan408-> have fun with that
[5:05] <misterhat> quite snappy :P
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[6:53] <SgrA> Hi, has anyone been running Stellarium on the RPi?
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[7:08] <steve_rox> wonder what stellarium is
[7:12] <AC`97> wonder what google is
[7:12] <steve_rox> not sure
[7:12] <AC`97> me neither :|
[7:13] <steve_rox> how upsetting
[7:14] <des2> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=google
[7:14] <atouk> i'll go ask jeeves what google is, he should know
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[7:22] <btcbuy314> how do i restart my raspberrypi safely if i cant ssh into it and no video is being outputted so icant see what im doing
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[7:24] <tntexplosivesltd> you're stuffed =/
[7:25] <des2> you unplug it.
[7:28] <bircoe> ctrl-alt-del on the keyboard may do it
[7:28] <bircoe> but you won't know :)
[7:28] <tntexplosivesltd> I haven't found that to work ever =P
[7:28] <AC`97> switch to console first.
[7:28] <AC`97> control+alt+f1
[7:28] <bircoe> works on my linux desktop
[7:28] <tntexplosivesltd> bircoe: ubuntu?
[7:29] <AC`97> you can also try the magic sysreq stuff. REISUB
[7:29] <bircoe> fedora
[7:29] <tntexplosivesltd> ah, yeah
[7:29] <tntexplosivesltd> reisub
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[7:39] <btcbuy314> my pi seems to be freezing up a lot, anyone know why this could be happening? yesterday my pi wouldnt let me edit any files, unless i used sudo, if i tried to edit with vim it would say "write error (file system full?)" so i took out the card, and went to gparted on my laptop and resized the partition to take up full space and gave it over an extra gig, and that fixed the write problems, but now it keeps freezing at ran
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[7:41] <bircoe> one of the more common issues people have is power supply problems and insufficient current capability
[7:43] <btcbuy314> what would be sufficient? and can anyone recommend one? i have my moms ipad supply i can use temporarily if thats the problem, but what volt and amperage do i need? and does anyone know a good cheap one on amazon?
[7:43] <bircoe> 700+mA
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[7:44] <bircoe> My Pi idles at 500mA with no USB devices plugged in...
[7:46] <btcbuy314> how can you tell how much mA its using up
[7:47] <btcbuy314> and is 5 volts the recommended? could i harm my pi by going higher or lower, what would be optimal?
[7:47] <btcbuy314> and is there any risk of having higher than 700 ma like say 2.1 mA or like 3 or 4 mA
[7:47] <bircoe> you need to place a multimeter or ammeter in line with the power supply
[7:47] <bircoe> yep 5v
[7:48] <bircoe> no risk higher
[7:48] <btcbuy314> ok
[7:48] <bircoe> if you have a 5A supply and the Pi only wants 500mA it will only draw 500mA from the supply
[7:49] <ln-> in general undervoltage breaks up devices much more easily than overvoltage
[7:49] <btcbuy314> so if i have a non powered hub and i plug it into the pi, and have like a mouse, arduino, keyboard, and other stuff plugged in, all i need is a high amperage 5v power supply?
[7:49] <bircoe> correct
[7:49] <bircoe> wait
[7:49] <btcbuy314> so no need for a powered hub, just higher power supply
[7:49] <bircoe> power supply for the Pi or hub?
[7:50] <btcbuy314> for the pi
[7:50] <bircoe> no you still need a powered hub
[7:50] <btcbuy314> why?
[7:50] <bircoe> unless you have a new revision board that has no poly fuses
[7:50] <bircoe> because the USB ports have 140mA polyfuses on them
[7:51] <btcbuy314> so they have a maximum of 140 mA on them?
[7:51] <bircoe> yep
[7:52] <bircoe> so if you plug in a non powered4 port hub thats roughly 25mA worth of current available at each port... counting some for the hub itself
[7:53] <bircoe> assuming you try and connect 4 devices
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[7:55] <btcbuy314> damn ok
[7:56] <btcbuy314> well anyone know a good power supply with 2+ aM?
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[7:57] <bircoe> do an ebay or amazon search for a Sony PSP power supply
[7:57] <bircoe> nice little brick thing but you'll have to go custom with the connector
[7:58] <bircoe> but it is a nice source of high current supplies I've seen them for like $6 on th ebest buy website
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[8:02] <btcbuy314> ooh thats good thanks
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[8:04] <btcbuy314> ls
[8:05] <btcbuy314> does it have to be an oem supply manufactored by sony? or just any supply for the sony psp
[8:06] <bircoe> any should be fine
[8:06] <btcbuy314> then id need a connector too, how hard are they to wire up?
[8:07] <btcbuy314> or actually all i need is a usb converter
[8:07] <btcbuy314> psp plug female > usb female
[8:07] <btcbuy314> not converter but just an adapter with psp plug female and usb female on the ends
[8:08] <bircoe> or you could buy a barrel jack and bypass the US/b altogether
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[8:09] <btcbuy314> and solder onto the rpi?
[8:09] <bircoe> yup
[8:09] <bircoe> thats what i'm getting ready to do right now
[8:09] <btcbuy314> is there a way to keep the usb one on too?
[8:09] <bircoe> most
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[8:10] <bircoe> most USB supplies are crap
[8:11] <bircoe> I'm intending to solder to the sides of that 1st cap after the USB socket
[8:11] <btcbuy314> so no reason to? but what about just for ease of use
[8:12] <btcbuy314> you should take before and after pics and post, is that what you are planning? or just doing it
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[8:13] <bircoe> i will, PM me your email address and i'll send some to you
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[8:16] <dan408-> i wish i knew how to solder
[8:18] <dan408-> so i just unboxed my element 14
[8:18] <dan408-> this thing is nuts
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[8:18] <dan408-> all i got from redhat was a usb sdcard reader, a usb->micro usb cable and a raspberry pi
[8:18] <dan408-> is there a manual?
[8:19] <megatog615> yes, but there is no usb manual
[8:19] <dan408-> so i guess it gets the power off another computer through the micro usb
[8:19] * bircoe turns on soldering iron and breaks out the multimeter...
[8:20] <dan408-> and then you plugin network and it has oldschool video out
[8:20] <megatog615> do you have a usb soldering iron?
[8:20] <dan408-> oh it has hdmi too
[8:20] <dan408-> neat
[8:20] <btcbuy314> dan408-: there is a quick start guide http://www.raspberrypi.org/quick-start-guide
[8:20] <megatog615> your soldering iron has hdmi?
[8:20] <dan408-> thanks btcbuy314. this thing is a real trip.
[8:20] <dan408-> it feels like going back in time and going into the future at the same time in a weird way.
[8:21] <btcbuy314> the component video sucks, its too hard to read, im soo use to hdmi
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[8:21] <dan408-> yeah no im going to use HDMI
[8:21] <dan408-> why is that even here
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[8:21] <btcbuy314> for people in third world countries that only have reg tv
[8:21] <btcbuy314> its cheap to add so its worth it, its to bring computing to those countries mainly anyway
[8:21] <megatog615> also, it is much easier to connect composite to something
[8:22] <megatog615> and it's analog
[8:22] <megatog615> hdmi requires some possibly expensive hardware to connect to it
[8:22] <dan408-> are there really countries that haven't discovered svideo yet or something?
[8:22] <megatog615> basically, composite is great for homebrew
[8:22] <btcbuy314> whats the max resolution you can get with component analog
[8:22] <dan408-> and im guessing i need a case for this?
[8:23] <Syliss> 480p
[8:23] <Syliss> maybe i
[8:23] <megatog615> Syliss: nope, just i, lol
[8:23] <dan408-> lol
[8:23] <megatog615> not even s-video does p
[8:23] <dan408-> this thing is a mega drop.
[8:23] <dan408-> err
[8:23] <dan408-> drop/trip
[8:23] <PiRocketman> component is three separate connectors and you can get full 1080p
[8:23] <dan408-> you really don't get it until it's in your hands
[8:23] <Syliss> well component is diff then composite
[8:23] <btcbuy314> i thought 480 p was higher than 480 i , it isnt?
[8:24] <PiRocketman> composite on the other hand is one rca cable and you get analog NTSC
[8:24] <dan408-> yes: this is RCA video out.
[8:24] <dan408-> yup
[8:24] <dan408-> i think it is 480i
[8:24] <dan408-> if that
[8:24] <dan408-> i remember my wii and using RCA and then upgrading to component cables
[8:24] <PiRocketman> analog connections like that only really define the vertical lines of resolution
[8:25] <megatog615> PiRocketman: component's highest capability is 1080i, in my experience
[8:25] <PiRocketman> a really good quality analog NTSC signal is maybe the equivalent of VGA
[8:25] <dan408-> my real question is are there really countries where they haven't gotten past RCA video yet?
[8:25] <megatog615> 1080p is just way too much data for component
[8:25] <PiRocketman> 640x480 ish
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[8:26] <PiRocketman> There are tons of old TV's floating around with analog connectors
[8:26] <PiRocketman> or VGA monitors
[8:26] <dan408-> yes
[8:26] <dan408-> so why not put a vga connector
[8:26] <dan408-> and even those old tv's still at least have some kind of alternative like svideo or component
[8:26] <PiRocketman> and a lot of developing countries tend to get our e-waste / hand me downs
[8:26] <Syliss> dan408- yes, and you have to understand that a lot of people still have tube tvs either as a backup or just cause they didn't throw them out
[8:26] <PiRocketman> I wish they had included VGA, but they didn't
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[8:27] <PiRocketman> I am not sure if the system on a chip they are using even supports VGA
[8:27] <dan408-> yeah vga would have been great
[8:27] <Syliss> via is big and isn't supported by what they have on the board
[8:27] <Syliss> vga*
[8:27] <dan408-> yeah vga has been around since like the first desktop pc
[8:27] <btcbuy314> does using component cables on a wii increase resolution? or just make it look better? does it look perfectly clear on a 1080p tv?
[8:27] <PiRocketman> I am more excited about the cubieboard, which has VGA via pinheaders at least
[8:27] <Syliss> no btcbuy314
[8:27] <Syliss> it looks terrible
[8:28] <PiRocketman> Wii does at best 480p over component
[8:28] <dan408-> correct PiRocketman
[8:28] <dan408-> it is 480p
[8:28] <PiRocketman> Over other connections it is limited to 480i, I believe
[8:28] <dan408-> yessir
[8:28] <btcbuy314> so wii would still look better on a tube tv then with component on 1080p
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[8:29] <dan408-> i mean cmon, you include an RCA video out might as well include PS2 mouse/keyboard
[8:29] <megatog615> btcbuy314: as an owner of a wii and component cables for it, there is no reason not to use them
[8:29] <dan408-> btcbuy314: that is not true.
[8:29] <Syliss> it looks okay on a 720p tv, which i have
[8:29] <megatog615> the picture difference is night and day, even if it's just going from 480i to 480p
[8:29] <dan408-> ^^
[8:29] <PiRocketman> Some 1080p displays have built in scalers that will help make an image look better when stretched to fit
[8:30] <megatog615> component just destroys composite, even at the same resolution
[8:30] <Syliss> also depends on the size of the tv
[8:30] <dan408-> i will say
[8:30] <megatog615> because the picture doesn't suck, the TV can scale it up much better
[8:30] <PiRocketman> Yeah, color clarity and whatnot is also important.
[8:30] <dan408-> going from RCA -> component on Wii is a HUGE difference on any TV
[8:30] <PiRocketman> Composite over a single RCA is awful
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[8:30] <megatog615> it is a huge difference on every monitor
[8:30] <bircoe> Dan39, don't be a clown, they included composite video out because the SOC supports it, and figured some people will get use out of it.
[8:31] <dan408-> was that directed at me?
[8:31] <bircoe> errr yes :)
[8:31] <dan408-> and what is the SOC?
[8:31] <megatog615> dan408-: Dan39 is clearly a clown
[8:31] <dan408-> sorry im totally new here
[8:31] <PiRocketman> I used an old 5" monitor from a previous carputer project tonight with my Pi while at a hackerspace
[8:31] <PiRocketman> Showing of XBMC
[8:31] <dan408-> i just got my raspberry pi in the mail today, i've been hanging here but just got my hands on actual hardware
[8:32] <bircoe> the SOC is the main processor of the device... System on Chip
[8:32] <dan408-> oh ok
[8:32] <PiRocketman> They didn't have any monitors handy with hdmi/dvi and I wasn't going to lug one down there
[8:32] <dan408-> got it
[8:32] <dan408-> and the SOC is ARM based correct?
[8:32] <PiRocketman> I am glad they have it onboard
[8:32] <dan408-> armv8?
[8:32] <bircoe> it didn't add anything to the cost of the device bar the physical connectors
[8:32] <PiRocketman> Yeah, It is a ARMv6
[8:32] <dan408-> PiRocketman: have you actually used it?
[8:32] <bircoe> yes the SOC is the Broadcom ARM chip
[8:32] <dan408-> the composite video?
[8:32] <dan408-> bircoe: which broadcom?
[8:32] <PiRocketman> with some features (but not all) from ARMv7
[8:33] <Hoerie> I've used it on my secondary tv
[8:33] <PiRocketman> ARMV8 isn't really out yet
[8:33] <dan408-> i have 4 arm devices now
[8:33] <bircoe> but it's called a SOC because it's more than just a CPU, it's almost the complete system minus the ethernet adapter
[8:33] <PiRocketman> But ARMv7 is the instruction set in use on most phones chipsets these days
[8:33] <dan408-> 1 tegra = tf300t, 1 = hp touchpad, 1 = evo shift (snapdragon2) and now the rpi
[8:33] <Hoerie> composite looks ok once you get the overscan sorted
[8:33] <bircoe> Broadcom BCM2835
[8:33] <dan408-> bircoe: what does this have that AMD Llano APU doesnt have?
[8:34] <dan408-> (the soc)
[8:34] <bircoe> ARM1176JZF-S
[8:34] <bircoe> you can't compare them
[8:34] <PiRocketman> The ARMv6 version they are using is somewhat problematic, because most development for ARM in linux targets the older ARMv4 instructions which the ARMv6 supports or the ARMv7 instructions which it doesn't
[8:34] <dan408-> bircoe: why not.
[8:34] <bircoe> i mean you can but it's not a fair comparison
[8:34] <dan408-> why
[8:34] <dan408-> please enlighten me
[8:35] <PiRocketman> It is a bit like running an OS designed for the instructions of a 386 computer, but having all the features found in a Pentium.
[8:35] <dan408-> lol
[8:35] <dan408-> ok i got it
[8:36] <PiRocketman> So, there is a distribution derived from Debian Linux where they have recompiled most everything to make the best use of the features the chip does have.
[8:36] <PiRocketman> It is called Raspbian "Wheezy"
[8:36] <PiRocketman> It is probably what you want to run if you want to fool around with the Pi
[8:37] <bircoe> they're a different architecture to begin with, AMD Llano is x86 where ARM is Risc
[8:37] <dan408-> i dont like debian
[8:37] <dan408-> im going to use fedora remix
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[8:38] <megatog615> bircoe: some would say that both AMD's and Intel's modern CPUs are x86 on top of RISC :)
[8:38] <PiRocketman> You are welcome to use whatever you like, but expect to be doing a LOT of work cross compiling stuff if the distro you use doesn't support ARM.
[8:38] <dan408-> PiRocketman i got this from redhat inc.
[8:38] <dan408-> http://i.imgur.com/A1hTh.jpg
[8:38] <bircoe> megatog615, shhhh
[8:38] <bircoe> :P
[8:38] <dan408-> megatog615: some would be right.
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[8:39] <dan408-> i might be new to rpi but im not new to computers or hardware here
[8:39] <bircoe> modern CPU's are becoming very SOC like but they still have their own place in the market
[8:39] <PiRocketman> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/fedora
[8:40] <dan408-> bircoe: yes i've read this
[8:40] <dan408-> this is what i'll be using
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[8:40] <dan408-> erm.. fedora remix is not on the downloads page?
[8:41] <bircoe> cos its not officially supported
[8:41] <dan408-> k
[8:41] <steve_rox> did ssd drives price just crash or something? suddenly every tech website is bombing me with offers on em
[8:42] <dan408-> where can i get fedora remix
[8:42] <PiRocketman> They have definitely gone down substantially recently
[8:42] <dan408-> steve_rox: they are dropping in price
[8:42] <steve_rox> i wonder why
[8:42] <steve_rox> its allmost tempting i guess
[8:42] <PiRocketman> I here there is major flooding in Thailand again. HDD prices still aren't what they were pre 2011 flooding
[8:42] <dan408-> i have 3 SSD's
[8:43] <dan408-> 2 corsair force 3 120GB and 1 kingston 64gb sata 2
[8:43] <bircoe> 4 :)
[8:43] <dan408-> bircoe: my motherboard still only goes sata 2
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[8:43] <dan408-> AMD Phenom 2 x4 965 + asus crosshair 3
[8:43] <bircoe> mine does SATA3 and boots stupid fast
[8:43] <steve_rox> not sure if its something i should bother with or not
[8:43] <dan408-> im waiting for the next AMD chipset with PCIE3
[8:44] <dan408-> bircoe: the 2 force 3's are in software raid 1 and yeah, it boots stupid fast, would love to boot it in sata 3 but im not buying a new mobo until AMD supports pcie3
[8:44] <PiRocketman> dan408, I would really recommend Raspbian unless you have a religious preference for Fedora or something
[8:44] <dan408-> PiRocketman: it is religious /whois dan408-
[8:45] <dan408-> i mean i got this thing for free from redhat and then im gunna slap debian on it? cmon
[8:45] <PiRocketman> You can have more than one SD card :)
[8:46] <dan408-> if anything deb based i'd want to run linux mint
[8:47] <PiRocketman> Are you from Lithuania, dan408-?
[8:47] <bircoe> dan408-, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/Disk%20Benchmarks/Patriot%20Pyro%203%20-%20120gb%20-%20SSD.png
[8:47] <bircoe> ^^ my systems boot disk
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[8:48] <PiRocketman> Some of the newer SSD basically max out the SATA bus at around 500 MB/s
[8:48] <dan408-> bircoe: looks like your drive is only sata 2
[8:49] <dan408-> PiRocketman: correct. i get the same performance as bircoe
[8:49] <bircoe> it does bench a bit slow
[8:49] <PiRocketman> A lot of SSDs are going forward with connections through the PCIe bus as SATA isn't fast enough
[8:49] <bircoe> but much faster than SATA2 disks
[8:49] <dan408-> of course
[8:49] <dan408-> but bircoe
[8:49] <dan408-> here
[8:49] <bircoe> SATA2 => https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/Disk%20Benchmarks/Patriot%20Torqx%202%20-%2032gb%20-%20SSD.png
[8:50] <PiRocketman> The real benefit to SSDs is their extremely low random io latency when compared to HDDs
[8:50] <dan408-> no
[8:50] <PiRocketman> thats what really makes them so much snappier than hard drives. They don't take 10ms to seek to a new sector.
[8:50] <dan408-> http://i.imgur.com/hQ5Ow.png
[8:50] <bircoe> the pyro drive replaced a VelociRaptor...
[8:50] <bircoe> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/Disk%20Benchmarks/WD%20VelociRapter%20-%20160gb%20-%2010000rpm%20-%20WD1600HLFS.png
[8:50] <dan408-> that is 2 force 3 120GB's in windows raid 1
[8:50] <bircoe> totally owns it
[8:50] <dan408-> under heavy load.
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[8:51] <bircoe> not bad
[8:51] <dan408-> thanks.
[8:51] <Pickley> Does anyone else experience sound popping when tracks change on their Pi?
[8:51] <dan408-> anyways
[8:51] <dan408-> i believe satellit mentioned they were running fedora trimslice on their rpi
[8:51] <Jck_true> I'm just still scared by flash wear out - I've had too many flash sticks get horribly slow on me over time - Espcially if i wrote to them often
[8:51] <dan408-> so i guess that's what I will try
[8:52] <bircoe> Jck_true, by the time it starts to wear newer cheaper faster drives will be out
[8:53] <PiRocketman> I am not really worried about wearing out my flash. Modern flash drives have very good wear leveling and also support TRIM, so their performance doesn't diminish much over time.
[8:53] <Jck_true> bircoe: I know - And I'm guessing the controllers have gotten atlot better (And you shouldn't really compare with year old no brand usb sticks
[8:53] <PiRocketman> Under normal desktop use, a SSD should last a long time.
[8:54] <Jck_true> Back in the day my 2GB stick could take 1 gb in less than a minut - Now it takes ~15min
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[8:54] <PiRocketman> The other nice thing is most of the better drives can actually tell you how worn the flash is getting, so you can clone the drive prior to it wearing out.
[8:54] <PiRocketman> Predictable longevity.
[8:54] <dan408-> man
[8:54] <dan408-> fedora remix is really hidden
[8:55] <bircoe> I wrote some data to an old Dell 256MB USB key we had at work... data went on at 2.3MB/s... most of the current cheapies can only do those speeds
[8:55] <dan408-> i have a class 10 microsd card
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[8:55] <dan408-> it writes at about 8MB/sec reads at 17MB/sec
[8:55] <dan408-> on the phone itself
[8:55] <PiRocketman> Pickley, the sound on the Pi is pretty much good for beeps and bloops and thats about it.
[8:55] <dan408-> beeps and bloops?
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[8:56] <Pickley> PiRocketman: Heh, works okay other than when a track starts up
[8:56] <dan408-> so like techno music? :)
[8:56] <PiRocketman> It picks up far too much electrical noise for other components
[8:56] <dan408-> yeah i definitely need a case for this thing
[8:56] <PiRocketman> Get yourself a cheap USB soundcard off the supported list or use HDMI audio output.
[8:56] <dan408-> i almost spilled beer all over it
[8:56] <Pickley> yeah, usb card might be the key
[8:56] <dan408-> hdmi audio
[8:56] <PiRocketman> I lasercut a case at my local hackerspace this evening
[8:56] <dan408-> yep
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[8:57] <dan408-> hd video + audio
[8:57] <dan408-> okayy
[8:57] <dan408-> so i need an armv6 version of fedora
[8:57] <dan408-> and there is a nightly
[8:57] <Jck_true> I'm curious to see what the extra output on the Rev2 could do with sound
[8:57] <PiRocketman> Adafruit made their design open source and there are a bunch of variants on thingiverse you can print/cut
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[8:58] <dan408-> so im guessing i'd want something like http://scotland.proximity.on.ca/arm-nightlies/vault/f17arm-20120710-230001-arm-rpi-xfce-mmcblk0.img.xz
[8:58] <Jck_true> or you could just take the slim farnell box - Open it in both ends - And call it a case
[8:58] <PiRocketman> dan408- The nice thing about Raspian is it compiles everything with support for the Pi's hard floating point unit
[8:58] <PiRocketman> Raspbian, rather
[8:59] <PiRocketman> A stock ARMv6 distro won't do that
[8:59] <dan408-> PiRocketman: sounds too easy and again, it's a religious thing
[8:59] <PiRocketman> it is a pretty big deal performance wise
[8:59] <dan408-> they obviously sent me this because they want me to fix it
[8:59] <PiRocketman> I won't come between you and your religion, but that doesn't mean I won't stop trying to convert you :)
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[9:00] <Jck_true> PiRocketman: Some people will never see the light
[9:00] <dan408-> PiRocketman: you won't succeed
[9:00] <dan408-> please understand my first linux kernel was 2.0.26
[9:00] <Jck_true> (I gotta admit I used to be a Fedora user myself on desktop... But i've shifted compltely to XP on the desktop and debian on the server
[9:00] <dan408-> XP?
[9:00] <dan408-> really?
[9:01] <Jck_true> dan408-: Nothing wrong with XP :|
[9:01] <PiRocketman> Here is a good article that explains some of the stuff about the instruction set differences and performance benefits of various options: http://www.memetic.org/raspbian-benchmarking-armel-vs-armhf/
[9:01] <dan408-> XP is such utter obsolete nonsense
[9:01] <dan408-> it's time to go 7
[9:01] <dan408-> PiRocketman: thx
[9:01] <PiRocketman> I've run Linux since very early slackware days
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[9:01] <Jck_true> dan408-: Im waiting out for win8 - Got my eyes on a 13 inch ultrabook
[9:02] <dan408-> yes, im a few years behind you. tried to start with debian + dselect.
[9:02] <dan408-> i started with 2.0.26 + slackware.
[9:02] <dan408-> 1995 or 1996 or so
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[9:02] <Jck_true> Ouch - I'm a noob - Didn't get my own PC till christmas 2003
[9:02] <dan408-> i wonder if the rpi could handle gnome 2.
[9:03] <dan408-> or rather, MATE.
[9:03] <PiRocketman> http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianMate
[9:04] <dan408-> oh i love you
[9:04] <dan408-> this i WILL run.
[9:04] <PiRocketman> You can run it, but you are better off with something ultra light weight like LXDE
[9:04] <PiRocketman> which is the default for Raspbian
[9:04] <dan408-> i know
[9:04] <PiRocketman> I think MATE takes up too much in the way of resources
[9:05] <PiRocketman> Understand that there isn't any accelerated X yet
[9:05] <Jck_true> if only X11 would get hardware accelerated :( *crosses fingers*
[9:05] <dan408-> i dont want things to be easy. that's why I run fedora in the first place. remember PiRocketman? ;)
[9:05] <PiRocketman> So X windows performance is in general pretty awful
[9:05] <dan408-> Jck_true: i thought it already was.
[9:06] <dan408-> i guess that's what Xorg 1.13/14 is going to be.
[9:06] <Jck_true> dan408-: Nope :/ It hogs cpu badly
[9:06] <PiRocketman> Here are some notes on the progress towards accelerating X
[9:06] <dan408-> oka6y
[9:06] <dan408-> so i'll have to go fedora 18
[9:06] <dan408-> which has xorge 1.13
[9:06] <dan408-> xorg*
[9:06] <dan408-> and then manually recompile the linux kernel
[9:06] <PiRocketman> The problem is all these GPU vendors don't want to share their secret GPU sauce
[9:06] <dan408-> sounds about right
[9:06] <dan408-> PiRocketman: isn't that what linux 3.6 is supposed to solve?
[9:07] <Jck_true> dan408-: Not on the RaspberryPi atleast
[9:07] <dan408-> i mean there's native nouveau, radeon, and intel support there.
[9:07] <dan408-> Jck_true: there is arm and android support too.
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[9:07] <PiRocketman> I am more interested in the Cubieboard as there is real progress being made towards a full open source driver for the Mali 400 GPU in the Allwinner A10 proc.
[9:08] <dan408-> PiRocketman you are on a whole nother level bruv
[9:08] <PiRocketman> That and the Allwinner is fully ARM7 compliant, so it is more inline with current Linux ARM development efforts
[9:08] <dan408-> anyways looks like i should try rpi_pisces_mate_r2.zip for starts
[9:08] <PiRocketman> and it will have up to a GB of ram for under $50.
[9:09] <dan408-> PiRocketman may I pm you?
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[9:09] <PiRocketman> I REALLY wish the Pi foundation would offer a Pi with the 512MB module. 256 just doesn't leave much meat on the bone for desktop usages.
[9:09] <PiRocketman> Sure
[9:10] <Jck_true> Well it's allways the story about hardware development - Why not Tegra 2? Or Tegra 3? Things move so freaking fast...
[9:10] <asaru> that cubie board looks nice
[9:10] <Pickley> Will any USB sound card work
[9:10] <chnops> I wonder how swap on a microsd performs in situations where you're out of memory
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[9:10] <asaru> they've recently released some schematics
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[9:11] <chnops> very badly I guess
[9:12] <chnops> but I guess flash has better access times than a swap file on a classic disk drive
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[9:13] <asaru> better to run swap on sd card than on external usb drive?
[9:13] <PiRocketman> Pickley, I know a few people seem to like this one here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/External-USB-2-0-To-3D-Audio-Sound-Card-Adapter-7-1-ch-/300503465055
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[9:14] <PiRocketman> Here are some that are known to work: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Sound_Cards
[9:14] <ln-> i wouldn't expect an sd card to last very long if it's used for swapping
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[9:14] <PiRocketman> You got to be careful with peripherals in general with the Pi, as the USB ports don't put out much power
[9:14] <asaru> seems most of the available distros setup swap on sd card from what i can tell
[9:14] <asaru> well i have ap owered hub
[9:14] <PiRocketman> and support through hubs is problematic sometimes
[9:15] <asaru> it does just fine for my drive
[9:15] <asaru> and drive itself takes external power anyways
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[9:15] <asaru> but my current problem is that i cant seem to get any better than 40 or 50k/s when transfer files to the pi's external drive via ftp
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[9:20] <chnops> ln-, ah, I hadn't considered that
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[9:25] <steve_rox> wonder if the pi could be made to serve as a wifi access point to share internets etc
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[9:26] <tapas> hmm, trying to boot the archlinux arm image in qemu
[9:26] <tapas> qemu-system-arm -kernel kernel-qemu -cpu arm1176 -m 256 -M versatilepb -no-reboot -serial stdio -append "root=/dev/hda2" -hda archlinuxarm-13-06-2012/archlinuxarm-13-06-2012.img
[9:26] <tapas> i tried different root devices but i always get a kernel panic..
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[9:28] <tapas> ok, using -nographic i might be able to inspect the trace..
[9:29] <tapas> erm, no :(
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[9:32] <Pickley> Interesting
[9:32] <Pickley> Nexus 7 charger is 2A
[9:32] <Pickley> :P
[9:32] <Pickley> Means I should be able to power the Pi and speakers off it
[9:33] <PiRocketman> Most of the tablet chargers seem to be 2 amps these days
[9:34] <PiRocketman> The charger for the HP touchpad was nice because it was like 5.2 volts, so it compensates somewhat from the voltage drop you get from the micro USB cable
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[9:35] <PiRocketman> I wouldn't use anything but a high quality 2 amp charger for the Pi.
[9:35] <PiRocketman> I got crashing with a 1 amp OEM phone charger I was using.
[9:35] <tapas> hah, ok, got it to boot with a different kernel
[9:35] <Pickley> Can't plug the speakers into the Pi as they have a batter.
[9:35] <Pickley> lol
[9:36] <Pickley> so need to split the charger cord into two plugs for this
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[9:41] <bircoe> PiRocketman, USB cable isn't an issue when you do this: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/RPi/Pi%20Power%20Mod.1024.jpg
[9:41] <PiRocketman> Did you wire in a power switch in addition to the barrel connector?
[9:42] <bircoe> nope but that's a really good idea.
[9:42] <PiRocketman> I really should do that, Micro USB is electrically and mechanically awful.
[9:42] <bircoe> electrically more so
[9:43] <bircoe> the conductors in cheap cables are usually soo thin they drop a silly amount of voltage
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[9:43] <tapas> hmm, ok so it boots, but network's not working..
[9:43] <tapas> hmm hmm hmm. dns seems to be fine though
[9:43] <PiRocketman> I tried measured the drop on 3 cables before settling on one that only drops about .15 volts
[9:43] <PiRocketman> Definitely want one with thicker strands and not one just meant as a data cable.
[9:44] <tapas> is that a archlinux issue? so should i try a different image?
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[9:50] <tapas> hmm, it seems pacman is just misconfigured..
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[9:53] <tapas> ok, got it :D
[9:53] <PiRocketman> bircoe, why the extra wires coming out of the barrel connector? What are they going to? Is that a ferrite core they are wrapped around?
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[9:54] <dan408-> can you run a raspberry pi with a micro sd -> sd adapter?
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[9:58] <chnops> dan408-, pretty sure that you can, yeah
[9:58] <dan408-> chnops: neat, not sure if it will actually write the image though
[9:59] <dan408-> lets find out
[9:59] <PiRocketman> I ran mine with a mini SD - SD adapter.
[9:59] <dan408-> you mean micro.
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[9:59] <PiRocketman> I would really recommend a class 10 card though
[9:59] <PiRocketman> a lot of cheap micros are class 2
[9:59] <bircoe> PiRocketman, it was a jack salvaged from an HP laptop... rather than a pair of single decent single wires it used 4x thinner wires, the ferrite core was on it inside the laptop
[9:59] <dan408-> i have a class 10 card
[9:59] <PiRocketman> Nope, I mean mini
[9:59] <bircoe> works well tho
[9:59] <dan408-> but my phone is using it.
[9:59] <dan408-> wtf is mini sd?
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[10:00] <bircoe> using a 5V 3A supply I get a no load voltage of 5.22V and voltage under load drops to a min of 5.16V
[10:00] <PiRocketman> I is a physical format for SDHC that is size-wise between micro and full sized
[10:00] <bircoe> Take that MicroUSB!!!
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[10:01] <PiRocketman> I had one left over from one of my Nokia internet tablets, I think.
[10:01] <dan408-> okay
[10:01] <PiRocketman> All my full sized and micro sd cards were in use at the time, so I used the mini SD via and adapter to install Raspbian.
[10:01] <bircoe> I know the N800 used full size SD's
[10:02] <dan408-> let's see if this thing boots
[10:02] <dan408-> i just wrote raspbmc to my the card
[10:02] <PiRocketman> I've since moved on to a bunch of nice Transcend 32 GB Class 10 SDHC cards.
[10:03] <PiRocketman> I think it was the N810 that used mini SDHC.
[10:03] * dan408- inserts sdcard and hooks up hdmi cable and usb keyboard/mouse and see what happens
[10:03] <PiRocketman> I've owned all the Nokia tablets, 770, 800, 810 and my phone up till recently was a N900.
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[10:12] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi pies.
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[10:14] <dan408_> okay
[10:14] <dan408_> so raspbmc is downloading/installing stuff
[10:15] <dan408_> i keep getting errors about usb fullspeed
[10:15] <dan408_> whatever. it's going.
[10:16] <dan408_> BitchX-1.2c01-svn+ by panasync - Linux 3.1.9-vs2.3.2.5
[10:17] <dan408_> im running debian PiRocketman :/
[10:17] <PiRocketman> dan408_ The Pi is really picky about usb devices
[10:17] <dan408_> the usb device is my motherboard
[10:18] <dan408_> and a keyboard
[10:18] <dan408_> and a mouse
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[10:18] <PiRocketman> Only puts out 100 someodd ma.
[10:18] <dan408_> should i unhook the mouse?
[10:18] <PiRocketman> Believe it or not there is a compatibility list for mice and keyboard too
[10:18] <PiRocketman> enough people have problems with them
[10:18] <dan408_> yup
[10:18] <dan408_> that stopped the error
[10:19] <dan408_> i was using a microsoft wireless mouse
[10:19] <PiRocketman> I have a keyboard that keeps randomly disconnecting in Raspbmc
[10:19] <dan408_> also the rpi doesnt support 1gbe does it
[10:19] <PiRocketman> Direct wired with no built in hubs is probably the best.
[10:20] <PiRocketman> Nope, it is 100 mbit through USB bridging.
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[10:20] <dan408_> i am direct wired.
[10:20] <dan408_> well
[10:20] <dan408_> okay
[10:20] <dan408_> it works i guess
[10:20] <PiRocketman> What are you using for a power supply, dan408_?
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[10:21] <dan408_> my motherboard.
[10:21] <PiRocketman> Bad idea
[10:21] <dan408_> oh well
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[10:21] <dan408_> seems to be working fine
[10:21] <PiRocketman> A lot of computers only put out 500ma on their USB ports
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[10:21] <dan408_> im running a crosshair 3
[10:21] <dan408_> these usb ports better be good
[10:21] <dan408_> i spent $300 on this mobo
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[10:22] <PiRocketman> You should get a dedicated 5v 2.1amp well regulated, switching, USB wall supply.
[10:22] <dan408_> i have one
[10:22] <PiRocketman> Will safe you a lot of trouble :)
[10:22] <dan408_> but it's 12v
[10:22] <dan408_> from the hp touchpad
[10:22] <dan408_> regardless
[10:23] <dan408_> my mobo better put out more than 500ma
[10:23] <dan408_> or im suing asus
[10:23] <dan408_> ok it's installing the root fs and telling me to grab a coffee at 1:21AM
[10:23] <PiRocketman> I like bircoe's solution
[10:24] <PiRocketman> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14910680/RPi/Pi%20Power%20Mod.1024.jpg
[10:24] <dan408_> i totally wish i could pull one of those out of my ass right now but i cant
[10:24] <PiRocketman> that would be a trick....
[10:24] <dan408_> yup
[10:25] <dan408_> anyways
[10:25] <dan408_> rspbmc should be installed soon enough
[10:25] <PiRocketman> I thought there was a 24 hour Fry's in the valley?
[10:25] <dan408_> no.
[10:25] <dan408_> who told you that?
[10:25] <trevorman> dan408_: USB 2 spec only guarantees 500mA so nothing for you to sue them for :P You need USB 3 ports which let the device draw up to 900mA. Its all supposed to be negotiated first by the device anyway which the RPi doesn't do.
[10:26] <PiRocketman> I know it used to be 24/7
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[10:26] <dan408_> trevorman : ill sue them anyways
[10:26] <PiRocketman> But that was like Circa 1999
[10:26] <dan408_> PiRocketman: probably until the .com crash
[10:26] <dan408_> i got here in 2004
[10:27] <PiRocketman> I'm live a couple miles away from the Microsoft campus.
[10:27] <PiRocketman> Seattle area could really use a 24/7 computer store
[10:27] <dan408_> seattle could use a lot of things
[10:27] <dan408_> like less rain.
[10:27] <PiRocketman> Or at least a vending machine for when you really need a MAX232 at 3 in the morning.
[10:28] <dan408_> you ever been to japan?
[10:28] <PiRocketman> Actually, we've had a near record dry summer
[10:28] <PiRocketman> Only in the airport on a stopover to/from China.
[10:28] <dan408_> it's not supposed to rain in the summer on the west coast
[10:28] <dan408_> lets see how your fall/winter is
[10:29] <PiRocketman> I love their idea of automats, coffin hotels, etc.
[10:29] <dan408_> well as i was saying
[10:29] <dan408_> you can buy anything in japan in a vending machine
[10:29] <PiRocketman> and use your cell phone to pay, no less.
[10:29] <dan408_> amazing innit
[10:30] <PiRocketman> NFC can't get here fast enough imo
[10:30] <dan408_> i think you can even buy a real live woman
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[10:30] <PiRocketman> Unfortunately, it is going to take decades to get people off magnetic cards.
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[10:30] <dan408_> nahj
[10:30] <dan408_> didnt take too long to get off checks
[10:30] <dan408_> only old people use them
[10:31] <PiRocketman> Anyways, happy putzing, dan408_
[10:32] <PiRocketman> I got to get to bed as I've got clients to see tomorrow
[10:32] <PiRocketman> Good luck with the Fedora development work.
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[10:33] <dan408_> omfg raspbmc is working
[10:33] <dan408_> had to reboot for the mouse
[10:34] <dan408_> yep
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[10:36] <PiRocketman> Yeah, Sam Nazarko sure knows what he is doing for an 18 yo.
[10:36] <PiRocketman> He is the maintainer of the Crystalbuntu media center distro for the AppleTV as well.
[10:37] <dan408_> thanks PiRocketman
[10:37] <dan408_> talk soon
[10:37] <dan408_> laters
[10:38] <PiRocketman> gnight
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[10:54] <Vibe> hi
[10:56] <Vibe> http://www.zdnet.com/raspberry-pi-meets-lego-in-supercomputer-like-cluster-photos-7000004209/ kewl
[10:59] <nio> How super is that cluster?
[11:00] <Vibe> not sure if it is so super :p
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[11:00] <Vibe> it has though 1TB mem :D
[11:01] <Vibe> meant disk space
[11:01] <Iota> Southampton sucks.
[11:01] <Iota> </troll>
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[11:03] <nio> What can it do? Compared to one xeon
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[11:08] <nio> I mean, what can it do?
[11:09] <cerjam> its a hell of a not neater
[11:10] <nio> I have a fpga connected using usb, it doesbitcoins
[11:11] <des2> It's not a super computer.
[11:12] <tapas> ok, the debian image doesn't quite work in qemu either..
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[11:12] <tapas> downloading a specially made image now
[11:12] <nio> Maybe if the use lego in more funky color?
[11:13] <Vibe> nio: nice :p
[11:13] <Vibe> me too (:
[11:13] <Vibe> ztex?
[11:13] <nio> Ztex 1.5d
[11:14] <nio> But i wanna do something more usefull with it
[11:15] <Vibe> I have 1.15x's
[11:15] <Vibe> whats more usefull than money? :p
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[11:16] <nio> Re
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[11:20] <Vibe> you are using btcminer arm on rpi?
[11:20] <nio> Yes
[11:21] <Vibe> programming etc works fine?
[11:21] <nio> No
[11:21] <Vibe> I had same thing
[11:21] <nio> Had to use my win7 pc for uploading fw
[11:22] <Vibe> its ztex code that suck :p
[11:22] <Vibe> k
[11:22] <Vibe> I did that arm port
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[11:22] <Vibe> but haven't got time to look into that firmware uploading thing
[11:24] <nio> Ztex wrote cause software gives diferent id on reconnect of usb
[11:24] <nio> Ah ok cool i just downloadrd the port from some blog
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[11:27] <nio> That blog is yours?
[11:29] <Vibe> yea
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[11:30] <nio> Cool
[11:31] <martk100> I need some help with the raspberrypi assembler course. Is this the correct channel?
[11:32] <nio> Later, lunch
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[11:33] <Vibe> cu (:
[11:33] <fairuz> martk100: You can always try. :) Try on #raspberrypi-dev too
[11:35] <Vibe> here might be same guys that know :p
[11:35] <martk100> fairuz: OK her goes . I am completely bogged down on lesson ok3. MY problem is link register(lr) I can not be sure what value goes into it when the program branches.
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[11:38] <fairuz> LR will contain the return address
[11:42] <martk100> fairuz: Then why does the code push {lr} when the return address should already be stored?
[11:42] <fairuz> ok simple example
[11:43] <fairuz> let say you are in foo function (that is called by main)
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[11:43] <fairuz> so in foo, the LR value is the address of the instruction just after the call of foo in main. Agree?
[11:44] <martk100> fairuz: Yes ok so far.
[11:44] <fairuz> ok
[11:44] <fairuz> let say right now in foo, you want to call a function called bar
[11:44] <martk100> fairuz: Ok
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[11:45] <fairuz> in bar, the LR will be the address of the instruction just after the call of bar in foo
[11:45] <fairuz> so before branching to bar, you need to push the old value of LR to the stack
[11:45] <tapas> or save it somewhere else :D
[11:45] <fairuz> so that, foo can go back to main safely :)
[11:45] <martk100> fairuz: Right that may be it.
[11:46] <fairuz> I'm not good at explaining, I hope you understand
[11:46] <martk100> fairuz: Ok I will ponder on that for a while.I may be back.
[11:46] <tapas> ok, i don't know arm assemble, but let me ask ssomething :D
[11:47] <tapas> so if you call to a location, arm automagically stores the return adress in LR?
[11:47] <tapas> now, if you chain calls LR would get overwritten, so you need to save and restore it..
[11:47] <fairuz> martk100: Always think of storing/restoring context of the registers
[11:47] <Vibe> here in my ARMs
[11:47] <tapas> why not use the stack? :D
[11:48] <martk100> tapas: push and pop use the stack.
[11:48] <fairuz> tapas: it uses stack
[11:48] <tapas> martk100: yes, my last question was rethorical, pedagogical :D
[11:49] <fairuz> we store old value of LR to the stack so that we can overwrite LR to the new one
[11:49] <tapas> yep..
[11:49] <fairuz> we push the arguments too :)
[11:49] <martk100> tapas: Too much philosophy for me.
[11:50] <tapas> martk100: :D
[11:50] <tapas> martk100: just try chaining two calls like main calls foo, which calls bar (like fairuz explained) without saving LR
[11:50] <tapas> you won't be able to return to main :D
[11:51] <tapas> saving and restoring that is..
[11:51] <tapas> and the easiest to do that is the stack :D
[11:51] <martk100> tapas: YEs I can understand that. IN ok3
[11:52] <tapas> martk100: ok :D
[11:52] <tapas> martk100: you still sounded doubtful so i hammered the point a little bit. forgive me :D
[11:53] <martk100> tapas: Yes I think so . Still abit confueed with the explanations in the lesssons. I will ponder some more . Thanks
[11:53] <tapas> martk100: ok, cool..
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[11:54] <martk100> tapas: Tes I am still a bit confuseed . Not with the way lr functions . It is with the way the lesson is coded.
[11:54] <tapas> martk100: can you give me a link?
[11:55] <tapas> to the lesson?
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[11:55] <martk100> tapas: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/ok03.html
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[11:55] * fairuz lunch.. will come back for more assembly :)
[11:56] <fairuz> which number?
[11:56] <tapas> martk100: what section gives you troubles?
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[11:58] <martk100> tapas: IN section 3 SetGpioFunction Does comparisons. If they fail It loads lr intp pc . Which takes the program counter back to the address after the call. Which ii ONe address too far.
[11:59] <martk100> tapas: It should be the address which called the function.
[11:59] <tapas> martk100: no, then the function would be called agai
[11:59] <tapas> again
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[12:00] <martk100> tapas: Yes because the comparisond have failed . It needs to try again.
[12:01] <tapas> martk100: oh, to check the success of a function you need to return a value
[12:01] <tapas> i.e. in a register or on the stack..
[12:01] <tapas> then check that value and conditionally jump to the branch again
[12:01] <tapas> which would then call the function again
[12:02] <martk100> tapas: So what is the point of the comparisons.
[12:02] <martk100> tapas: It seems to be doing just that.
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[12:03] <tapas> martk100: you mean the first code snippet in section 3 right?
[12:03] <martk100> tapas: Yes
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[12:04] <tapas> martk100: the second paragraph under the snippet explains it afaict
[12:06] <tero> i just downloaded the raspbian from the raspberrypi page then run apt-get update apt-get upgrade
[12:06] <tero> then the pi won't run
[12:06] <tero> :(
[12:06] <martk100> tapas: It looks to me. If the comparisond fail the program would just carry on.
[12:06] <tero> any ideas?
[12:07] <jui-feng> tero, do you see any LEDs on the raspi blinking when you plug it in?
[12:07] <tero> yes
[12:07] <tapas> martk100: reread then :D
[12:07] <tero> it blinks 6 times
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[12:07] <martk100> tapas: OK thanks for your help. I will give it another go.
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[12:08] <tapas> martk100: ok..
[12:08] <jui-feng> hm, tero: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern
[12:08] <jui-feng> 6 flashes: start.elf not launched -- If start.elf won't launch it may be corrupt and can be replaced with arm240_start.elf or any of the other armXXX_start.elf files.
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[12:32] <ech0s7> hi all
[12:33] <ech0s7> i'm connected to raspberry with vnc, if i try to start from lxde terminal gparted i get this error:
[12:33] <ech0s7> $ sudo gparted
[12:33] <ech0s7> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
[12:33] <ech0s7> (gpartedbin:438): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :1
[12:33] <RichiH> you are root and want to open a window in a session started by your user?
[12:34] <RichiH> if yes
[12:34] <RichiH> as root
[12:34] <RichiH> ln -s /home/$USER/.Xauthority ~/
[12:34] <RichiH> optinally, rm ~/.Xauthority as root before that
[12:35] <ech0s7> i'm tring
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[12:36] <RichiH> (also, both ln and rm can potentially brick your system, don't trust random people on irc and try to understand what they are talking about before you do it)
[12:36] <RichiH> or just start the application as user, not as root
[12:37] <ln-> does gparted do anything useful as non-root?
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[12:37] <ech0s7> RichiH: i have fixed in another way
[12:37] <ech0s7> using gksudo
[12:39] <RichiH> ech0s7: that's fine as well
[12:39] <RichiH> ln-: you can't access raw devices, so no
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[12:50] <gordonDrogon> gosh. almost midday already. wonder where this morning has gone...
[12:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ use parted instead both bother running as root ....
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[12:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> or sudo parted *
[12:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> damn my fingers and brain
[12:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> must be time for coffee
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> just had one :)
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> go for it..
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[13:07] <Lexip> Hmm, anyone know of any place in UK where you can buy electronic parts like sensors, small motors etc that you can use with the Rpi? :)
[13:07] <bircoe> Jaycar... expensive tho.
[13:08] <tero> lol what a funny bug
[13:08] <tero> caps lock led on my keyboard does not turn on
[13:09] <Lexip> Seen some stuff at Maplin, but their range is rather limited :<
[13:09] <chithead> Lexip: rs and farnell sell those, you can order them along with your rpi
[13:10] <Lexip> They were only examples, I'm curious of similar products
[13:10] <Lexip> And I already have my pi. :)
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[13:10] <chithead> that would be a great opportunity to order a second one and save on shipping :p
[13:11] <Lexip> My first one is still available for anything sooo.. :) any other ideas?
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[13:12] <trevorman> Lexip: skpang, cool components, rapid electronics, farnell, RS etc...
[13:13] <Lexip> Interesting, thank you trevorman, I'll look into it
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[13:16] <Lexip> So many fun projects to make, so little time... :/
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[13:17] <nio> Fan projects?
[13:17] <Lexip> Well I suppose some of them could include a fan...
[13:18] <nio> What projects?
[13:21] <torpor> hi, just wanted to report in: my raspberry pi rocks, i have SynthArchitecture running on it smoothly today, and I'm about to try out LittlePiggy too .. ;)
[13:21] <des2> Little Piggy ?
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[13:23] <gordonDrogon> Lexip, www.skpang.co.uk, www.tandyonline.co.uk, www.coolcomponents.co.uk, www.mouser.com and many many others...
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> Lexip, maplin in an emergency. more consumer robotics orientated here: http://robosavvy.com/site/
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[13:40] <torpor> des2: its a tracker
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[13:40] <torpor> http://www.marc-nostromo.com/?p=169
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[13:45] <des2> thank
[13:45] <des2> thanks
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[13:58] <irgendwer4711> there is a little in the kernel config script, CONFIG_USB_DWCOTG can't compiled as a module, must be buildin to work
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[14:21] <ukwiz> hi, can anyone tell me where to find smbpasswd please
[14:22] <nio> How can i irder gertboard as private person in germany?
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[14:23] <gordonDrogon> oder from tandyoline.co.uk from the UK.
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/kits/gertboard-deluxe-kit.html
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[14:25] <gordonDrogon> ukwiz, smbpasswd is normally in /usr/bin/smbpasswd on a standard debian install.
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> ukwiz, apt-get install samba if you don't have the packag.e
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> and now I'm offline for a while. roadtrip to bristol... hope the roadworks are kind to me ...
[14:25] <Dyskette> Good luck.
[14:26] <InControl> note the gerboard deluxe says on back order but that is because that is not a problem, should be sent in 2 days
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[14:29] <nio> Thanks
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[14:38] <ukwiz> gordonDrogon: unfortunately, after having installed samba, smbpasswd is not anywhere on the system
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[14:43] <blahee> ukwiz: if that is rasbian (or *debian*) -> package samba-common-bin contains smbpasswd
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[14:48] <ech0s7> i have a problem after resizing sd partition
[14:49] <ech0s7> now when i reboot raspberry it doesn't recognize SD
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[14:50] <ukwiz> blahee: not in there either
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[14:54] <blahee> # dpkg -S /usr/bin/smbpasswd
[14:54] <blahee> samba-common-bin: /usr/bin/smbpasswd
[14:54] <blahee> ukwiz: at least it's in _my_ debian. That is i386 tho
[14:55] <atouk> what did you edit in samba.conf
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[14:56] <atouk> (smb.conf)
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[15:21] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008 nice
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[15:31] <[SLB]> so dynamic overvolting doesn't void the warranty
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[15:32] <trevorman> it doesn't?
[15:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008 <- see that trevorman
[15:33] <trevorman> ahh cool
[15:33] <trevorman> yeah. non turbo mode prevents you from going above some voltage threshold
[15:34] <mentar> Yeah just saw it, awesome :D
[15:36] <[SLB]> curious to know the default settings in config.txt for the new raspbian image, downloading it now eheh
[15:36] <[SLB]> the post says arm 1gb, but doesn't say anything about the other values
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[15:40] <trevorman> wonder how reliable it is for that 1ghz overclock. can everybody get it that high?
[15:41] <[SLB]> i got up to 950 without overvolting
[15:41] <[SLB]> fixed scaling
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[15:43] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah I run one of mine @ 940 with no overvolt
[15:47] <fairuz> test
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[15:50] <AR_> hello i would like to request a major revision in the pi design
[15:51] <chithead> I don't think that the unofficial irc channel is the correct place to do that
[15:51] <AR_> the pi needs to have a microSD card slot instead of big retarded SD
[15:51] <AR_> also, it should be 1ghz processor
[15:52] <AR_> and the GPIO header should have isolated 5v pin
[15:52] <chithead> read http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008 with latest firmware, it will dynamically clock to 1 ghz already (if temps are not too high)
[15:52] <AR_> also remove video out and sound out
[15:52] <[SLB]> all of this to circumvent the users' clumsity?
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[15:53] <trevorman> why remove video and audio out?
[15:53] <AR_> [SLB], regardless of users abilities it is a horrible design to put a 5v male pin in close proximity to 5v-intolerant male pins
[15:53] <chithead> trevorman: because people who have only an analog tv are too poor to own a rpi :p
[15:54] <AR_> on an open board
[15:54] <AR_> no
[15:54] <AR_> no one uses video out anymore regardless
[15:54] <trevorman> chithead: nah. its the HDMI owners who don't want to sully their hardware with ye olde analog ;)
[15:54] <AR_> and you dont need GUI
[15:54] <AR_> the GPU should be removed as well
[15:54] <trevorman> AR_: No. You don't. Don't say everybody.
[15:54] <trevorman> AR_: lol
[15:54] <Gadget-Work> Nice to see nothing changes
[15:55] <AR_> serial terminal is enough
[15:55] <trevorman> go buy one of the many ARM development boards out there if you want that
[15:55] <[SLB]> model A??
[15:55] <AR_> remove hdmi as well
[15:55] <chithead> you do realize that the bcm2835 is a very big gpu, with a very small arm core attached to it?
[15:55] <AR_> yes it is a horrible misconfiguration, chithead
[15:55] <trevorman> i'm sure these changes are useful for you but you're removing features because you claim that nobody uses it when it is quite evident that people do
[15:55] <Gadget-Work> tbh, if you don't like it don't buy it
[15:56] <AR_> we can make a $5 version that is more powerful
[15:56] <trevorman> AR_: would you like to clock it at 2ghz as well? add some extra cores? couple GB more RAM?
[15:56] <AR_> by removing useless features
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[15:56] <trevorman> useless for you
[15:56] <Gadget-Work> AR_, go ahead lets see how far you get :)
[15:56] <AR_> you are warped by iphone
[15:56] <Hodapp> "warped by iPhone"?
[15:56] <AR_> need pretty gui
[15:56] <chithead> in india, they tried to make a $10 pc, and they failed miserably
[15:56] <[SLB]> my nokia 3210 rulez
[15:56] <AR_> and fast transition animations
[15:56] <AR_> chithead, horrible design
[15:57] <AR_> you cant make something that runs a smooth gui for $10
[15:57] <tzarc> oh look, the expert AR_ is here!
[15:57] <Hodapp> I too use an older Nokia, I've no need for a smartphone...
[15:57] <trevorman> 3/10 for this trolling. you're taking it too far to be taken seriously now.
[15:57] <Caver> ooh is it start of term
[15:57] <Caver> used to be the AOL newbies ..
[15:58] <AR_> i dont understand why you cant see through the magic smoke blown in front of you by apple
[15:58] <Hodapp> I've run X approximately twice on my Raspberry P, but still I find that HDMI rather useful to have.
[15:58] <atouk> and it should be red. only unripe rasbperries are green
[15:58] <Gadget-Work> I don't see what apple has to do with this
[15:58] <AR_> Hodapp, have you tried the serial terminal
[15:58] <AR_> it is faster than terminal in gui
[15:58] <trevorman> Gadget-Work: its fruit as well obviously
[15:58] <Hodapp> AR_: Um, I use textmode when I'm not running it headlessly.a
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[15:58] <tzarc> AR_: http://au.element14.com/jsp/search/displayproduct.jsp?SKU=2191861&CMP=i-55c5-00001541
[15:58] <tzarc> there ya go
[15:58] <tzarc> bye now
[15:59] <trevorman> big fruit conspiracy between RPi Foundation and Apple
[15:59] <Hodapp> AR_: I would have to throw something together with my FTDI Basic (probably including voltage conversion) to get a serial terminal working, so really, I haven't bothered.
[15:59] <Hodapp> trevorman: Oh, don't forget the CherryPal.
[15:59] <Hodapp> trevorman: And Blackberry.
[15:59] <trevorman> :D
[15:59] <Hodapp> trevorman: Also, LimeWire lives again!
[15:59] <Gadget-Work> It's all coming out now
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[15:59] <Hodapp> trevorman: Think lemonparty is just an Internet meme? THINK AGAIN.
[16:00] <tzarc> I miss QNX.
[16:00] <AR_> Hodapp, uh yeah it takes like 5 mins
[16:00] <trevorman> Hodapp: eww
[16:00] <tzarc> why'd you mention blackberry :(
[16:00] <Caver> ROFTL
[16:00] <AR_> or buy $2 chinese ttl level converter
[16:01] <Gadget-Work> Oh look, have the foundation launched something new, I see the RS site is down ;)
[16:01] <Hodapp> AR_: So now you're expecting me to, instead of (1) SSHing in or (2) walking 10 steps to the HDMI monitor and USB keyboard I _already have set up_, go buy something, wait for it to ship, figure out how to convert it, and wire that all up?
[16:01] <Tobias|> Hodapp: STOP DOING THINGS THE CONVENIENT WAY >_<
[16:01] <trevorman> Gadget-Work: unprecedented demand! RS only budgeted for 5 extra people to look at the website.
[16:02] <AR_> $2 usb-serial and $2 ttl level converter with serial port and header for wires to pi
[16:02] <AR_> done
[16:02] <AR_> so easy
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[16:02] <AR_> ssh is great until your network fails
[16:02] <AR_> or you need to debug
[16:02] <AR_> your connection
[16:02] <Gadget-Work> But I use the serial port for other stuff ;)
[16:02] <Tobias|> AR_:
[16:02] <Hodapp> AR_: Uh, then I'll plug into the freaking HDMI port.
[16:02] <Tobias|> I too like to
[16:02] <Tobias|> type everything
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[16:02] <Tobias|> on new lines
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[16:02] <AR_> there are 2 UART
[16:02] <tzarc> Gadget-Work: that's beside the point, it's not what AR_ would do!
[16:02] <Hodapp> AR_: Instead of, you know, buying stuff, waiting for it to ship, figuring out how to wire it up, and using a serial terminal.
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[16:03] <Hodapp> AR_: And you're deluding yourself if you think it will only take 5 minutes to do.
[16:03] <Gadget-Work> Hold on, there must be a cost saving, lets get rid of at least 1 UART
[16:03] <AR_> Hodapp, hdmi driver is waste of space
[16:03] <chithead> you can get a second usb-serial adapter and plug it in to the pi! then you have two serial ports
[16:03] <[SLB]> i brought my pi at univ today, netbook + usb cable + cross ethernet cable and that's it
[16:03] <applebloom> hi i have an issue with the design of the raspberrypi
[16:03] <applebloom> well, frankly the design sucks
[16:03] <tzarc> Gadget-Work:you know what, that's a good point
[16:03] <applebloom> and i mean this in the most constructive way possible
[16:03] <[SLB]> ssh and no internet failures
[16:03] <trevorman> applebloom: built to a price point
[16:03] <Hodapp> guys, why is there a silk screen on the Raspberry Pi board? I don't even look at it.
[16:03] <Hodapp> it's a waste of ink.
[16:03] <Hodapp> and it costs too much.
[16:03] <trevorman> applebloom: plenty of design issues and better ways to have done things but *shrug* its what we've got at the moment
[16:03] <tzarc> cpm
[16:04] <Caver> applebloom, what troubles you?
[16:04] <tzarc> don't know why they put that camera connector on it
[16:04] <tzarc> I don't use it
[16:04] <tzarc> nobody else should need to either
[16:04] <Gadget-Work> After all they've improved the V2 boards :)
[16:04] <applebloom> there are too many useless features for one....
[16:04] <AR_> i have a v2
[16:04] <Hodapp> also, what's with those USB ports? I DON'T USE THEM
[16:04] <AR_> it is worse
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[16:04] <applebloom> HDMI, video out, sound
[16:04] <applebloom> and the GUI is a waste of power
[16:04] <trevorman> lol
[16:04] <Hodapp> and sound? NO ONE NEEDS SOUND
[16:04] <AR_> ^^^^
[16:04] <tzarc> yeah I'm bored now
[16:04] <Caver> ROFTL
[16:04] * tzarc wanders off to do something constructive
[16:04] <trevorman> applebloom and AR_ trolling together. nice teamwork or puppet there
[16:05] <trevorman> I'll give you 4/10 for this troll now
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[16:05] <Caver> puppet
[16:05] <applebloom> who the HELL are you calling a puppet
[16:05] <AR_> seems more like common sense
[16:05] <trevorman> lol
[16:05] <applebloom> you guys are muppets for even endorsing this design
[16:05] <Tobias|> Yes
[16:05] <Caver> anyway I said what troubles *you*, not what's wrong with the Pi ...
[16:05] <Tobias|> I endorsed it
[16:05] <applebloom> look in the mirror at your muppet faces
[16:05] <Hodapp> Shit, guys, they've blown our cover >_>
[16:05] <applebloom> and play with your raspberry pi
[16:05] <Tobias|> That is why you see, on every Raspberry Pi, "Endorsed by Tobias| from Freenode"
[16:05] <Hodapp> not even Siri can help me now
[16:05] <trevorman> Tobias|: i'd buy that
[16:06] <applebloom> do you think you guys look "smart" backing such a horrible design?
[16:06] <applebloom> honestly
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[16:06] <[SLB]> basketoff, lol
[16:06] <Gadget-Work> tbh, take it else where.
[16:06] <applebloom> tbh, idgaf
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[16:06] <[SLB]> lol
[16:06] <Hodapp> 9_9
[16:06] <Gadget-Work> iPhone endorsed by appleboom
[16:06] <Caver> yay
[16:07] <atouk> ahh. nothing like troll to go with the morning coffee
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[16:07] <Tobias|> emilepetrone: are you the user from Reddit who made tindie?
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[16:07] <emilepetrone> Tobias|: yep thats me!
[16:07] <Tobias|> ah, cool
[16:07] <ReggieUK> anyone else want to troll?
[16:07] * Tobias| adds you to his list of reddit celebrities he's met on IRC
[16:08] <AR_> i need a nice case for my pi
[16:08] <emilepetrone> thanks
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[16:08] <Caver> :)
[16:08] <AR_> the one i made out of the iphone case isnt cutting it anymore
[16:08] <AR_> s/iphone/ipod
[16:08] * Caver reminds everyone that it's iOS6 day today
[16:08] <Caver> for anyone not feeling appled up enough
[16:08] <des2> Can that run Linux ?
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[16:09] <Caver> is BSD close enough?
[16:09] <des2> They haven't given up with that BSD stuff yet ?
[16:10] <trevorman> The OSX kernel is Mach + BSD + IOKit so no, they've not given up on it yet.
[16:11] <emilepetrone> Tobias|: let me know if you ever see anything you'd want changed..i'm usually in here at least once a day..
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[16:12] <AR_> ios is based on unix please dont be ignorant
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[16:12] <Hodapp> AR_: Please take the trolling elsewhere.
[16:12] <AR_> i'm not trolling
[16:13] <Tobias|> emilepetrone: I'd ask you to expand your r-pi catalogue, but I don't think there's much you can really do for that yourself :p
[16:13] <AR_> "iOS is derived from OS X, with which it shares the Darwin foundation, and is therefore a Unix operating system. iOS is Apple's mobile version of the OS X operating system used on Apple computers."
[16:13] <emilepetrone> Tobias|: lol yeah...
[16:15] <des2> I actually used an Apple Unix system when they made it.
[16:15] <des2> What was it called ? (I forget)
[16:15] <AR_> the Apple II
[16:15] <des2> No....
[16:15] <des2> Like 1990
[16:16] <trevorman> des2: oh that. it was something like AUX?
[16:16] <trevorman> A/UX
[16:17] <trevorman> short lived attempt at unix servers
[16:17] <Caver> shudders oh yes I remember!
[16:18] <des2> Ah yes, thanks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/UX
[16:18] <des2> Was pretty easy to port to, was very BSD.
[16:19] <AR_> linbsdfedorosxdows
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[16:25] <Hodapp> AR_: Meanwhile, what level converters work well for the serial terminal, and don't have much ambiguity of setup?
[16:25] <AR_> what do you have
[16:26] <Hodapp> 5V FTDI Basic
[16:26] <Hodapp> you told me it was a 5-minute process
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[16:26] <AR_> do you have a usb to serial cable or just the chip
[16:26] <Hodapp> the cable
[16:26] <AR_> oh
[16:26] <AR_> then its easy
[16:27] <AR_> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8745?
[16:27] <AR_> see the schematic for that
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[16:28] <emilepetrone> Tobias|: just did some backend fu, should be about 50x faster
[16:28] <AR_> just a pair of BS138s
[16:28] <AR_> and voltage divider
[16:28] <Hodapp> so solder that all up, and put together a cable for the Raspberry Pi side of things?
[16:28] <AR_> yes
[16:29] <Tobias|> emilepetrone: get rid of that newline before your doctype <.<
[16:29] <AR_> 5 mins
[16:29] <emilepetrone> Tobias|: k
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[16:29] <Hodapp> I'm not disputing that it's fairly easy, but it's not a 5-minute task unless you've done it before and already have all the parts ready, as well as your soldering iron heated.
[16:30] <ukwiz> blahee: you are right, smbpasswd is in samba-common-bin. I was looking for smapasswd :(
[16:30] <AR_> or but something like this if you are lazy http://www.ebay.com/itm/220970940429?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2648
[16:30] <AR_> buy*
[16:30] <emilepetrone> Tobias|: done
[16:30] <Tobias|> Appreciate it
[16:30] <Hodapp> I don't need RS232...
[16:30] <AR_> no you dont
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[16:31] <AR_> its just if you are lazy
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[16:31] <AR_> usb to rs232 cable -> adapter -> rpi
[16:32] <Matt> I wonder if http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_578_580&item_id=045931 will work with the pi
[16:32] <Hodapp> These are all sounding like a bit more than 5-minute tasks, doing them for the first time
[16:32] <AR_> if you had that adapter it is more like a 30 second task
[16:32] <Hodapp> Er, not really, since I don't think any of my machines even speak RS232.
[16:33] <AR_> only need usb
[16:33] <AR_> usb to rs232 serial cable
[16:33] <AR_> what does your cable look like
[16:33] <des2> Don't think of it as 'RS232', think of it as basic serial
[16:33] <AR_> the rs232 is just for connecting
[16:33] <AR_> it only uses rx and tx lines
[16:34] <AR_> probably what your basic ftdi cable does
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[16:34] <Hodapp> Seeing how RS232 uses some large negative voltages, I'm foreseeing some problems with that.
[16:35] <AR_> wrong
[16:35] <AR_> link me to your cable
[16:35] <Hodapp> What is wrong?
[16:35] <AR_> show me what it looks like
[16:36] <Hodapp> Um, what is wrong?
[16:36] <AR_> does your usb to serial cable have an rs232 connector on the end
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[16:37] <Lexip> You don't just ask a man to show you his cable! </immaturehumour>
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[16:39] <AR_> Hodapp, or does it just have like a 4 pin demale header
[16:39] <AR_> female
[16:39] <Matt> AR_: there isn't technically an "RS232 connector", just to be a pedant
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[16:40] <AR_> yes i know
[16:40] <Caver> 25 pin or 9 pin?
[16:40] <AR_> 9
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[16:40] <AR_> db-9 connector
[16:40] <des2> you don't see many 25 since they got rid of external modems
[16:41] * Matt nods
[16:41] <AR_> but the connector is besides the point
[16:41] <Matt> although I was working with an 8-port serial card end of last week that had 25-pin connectors
[16:41] <Caver> *blushes* I still have one attached, and have to use it on occasion
[16:42] <Lexip> haha :D
[16:42] <Matt> some hardware does use the extra signals that aren't available on db9
[16:42] <AR_> yes
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[16:42] <des2> Yeah lots of BBSes had things like 8 port cards.
[16:42] <Matt> this is at a manufacturing plant
[16:43] <Matt> goes off to talk to heavy machinery :)
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[16:43] <Matt> IIRC, the card also does rs485
[16:44] <Caver> aha ... didn't the original BBC B have RS485
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[16:46] <steve_rox> did the foundation just legalise overvolt?
[16:47] <swecide> yup
[16:47] <steve_rox> sounds somewhat exsiteing
[16:48] <steve_rox> suddenly them heatsinks attached to pi dont seem so silly eh?
[16:49] <AR_> heatsink not required
[16:49] <AR_> just dont put board in wooden box
[16:50] <tero> hmm
[16:50] <tero> i am just starting a housing from wood
[16:50] <tero> heh
[16:50] <tero> *starting to build
[16:50] <steve_rox> you suggesting it could be pushed to higher levels without changeing any coolent?
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[16:51] <AR_> or in mineral oil tank
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[16:53] <[SLB]> in today official raspbian image config.txt file, there's no overclocking set. thought that post said the default is not 1ghz, is it hardcoded or?
[16:53] <AR_> it is 700mhz
[16:53] <[SLB]> that post says 1ghz
[16:53] <[SLB]> hm
[16:53] <AR_> they are trying to trick more into buying an inferior product
[16:54] <AR_> you can overclock to 1ghz
[16:54] <AR_> but it will probably not boot
[16:54] <[SLB]> maybe my question wasn't being understood properly
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[16:56] <trevorman> the default would still be 700mhz. you can select some predefined profiles for certain speeds. no guarantees about whether it'll work at any given speed though from that post.
[16:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> using rpi-config updated] you can select the turbo mode
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[16:57] <[SLB]> ah ok
[16:57] <[SLB]> yeps i edit it manually anyway, just thought from that post that the new default (with dynamic scaling enabled) would've been 1ghz
[16:57] <[SLB]> eheh
[16:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> this setups up core_Freq arm_fre , sdfram_freq and overvolate
[16:58] <AR_> it sets up a great way to burn out your chip
[16:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> in general use it will run at 700mhz but as demadde goes up it will kick in the over clock values
[16:58] <[SLB]> ah oks let me see what new options raspi-config now has
[16:58] <[SLB]> AR_, i strongly doubt it'll poof up, and i ain't no mounting heatsinks nor fans
[16:59] <AR_> i hope your rpi catches on fire
[16:59] <[SLB]> for now mine goes from 500 to 800, but haven't touched other chips' freqs though
[17:00] <[SLB]> your trolling skills today are failing big time, AR_
[17:00] <AR_> i have contributed to the elinux rpi wiki
[17:00] <AR_> have you?
[17:01] <[SLB]> althought this makes no sense nor interest, i have, so what?
[17:01] <[SLB]> lol
[17:02] <AR_> what have you contributed
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[17:02] <Tobias|> I wonder which of my r-pis will overclock better
[17:02] <[SLB]> that's irrelevant.
[17:03] <[SLB]> if you're interested in knowing it, you can always check the pages' history one by one.
[17:03] <AR_> it will overclock better if you remove your displays
[17:03] <AR_> and x server
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[17:04] <Squirm> surely it will overclock the exact same amount AR_, just run better without X :P
[17:04] <AR_> and not catch fire
[17:05] <AR_> i removed the GPU drivers and my pi is faster than ever
[17:05] <[SLB]> maybe only at booting, lol
[17:06] <[SLB]> is the competition about who boots faster?
[17:06] <Tobias|> [SLB]: well we need some metric with which to compare our epeen
[17:06] <[SLB]> ops right
[17:07] <Tobias|> We're not allowed to happily play around with our cheap computers
[17:07] <Tobias|> No sir-ee. No fun allowed here
[17:07] <[SLB]> lol
[17:08] <AR_> i would allow it
[17:08] <AR_> but seriously why did they put a full size sd card slot on
[17:08] <AR_> in that position
[17:08] <AR_> so that the card is exposed
[17:09] <AR_> and prone to damage
[17:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> so you can plug it in and out
[17:09] <Tobias|> AR_: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/443556734/pio-microsd-adapter-for-raspberry-pi
[17:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> completely recessed ones are vbery expensive
[17:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> btu who knows what we may see after model a is made
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[17:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> as this one is still really tthe dev user version
[17:10] <trevorman> model A is the same
[17:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> I said after*
[17:10] <Hodapp> AR_: http://www.dfrobot.com/wiki/images/f/ff/FTDI_Basic_Breakout.jpg - it's like that.
[17:10] <trevorman> ah
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[17:11] <AR_> thats a lulzy idea Tobias|
[17:11] <AR_> limited market though
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[17:11] <Hodapp> AR_: What I still have yet to comprehend is how an RS232 adapter helps me when I don't need its level conversion, for none of my hardware is handling the negative voltages that RS232 uses.
[17:11] <AR_> ok Hodapp then simply connect that to a level shift
[17:12] <AR_> Hodapp, i assumed your serial cable terminated in a DB9 connector
[17:12] <AR_> as many do
[17:12] <AR_> the adapter i linked to just deals with the rx and tx lines
[17:12] <Hodapp> which adapter, the level shifter or the RS232 one?
[17:12] <AR_> it doesnt deal with the other pins of rs232
[17:12] <AR_> both
[17:13] <AR_> they are esentially the same
[17:13] <AR_> the one just has an "rs232 connector" on the one side
[17:13] <Hodapp> RS232 TX and RX use below-ground voltages that are very different from 3.3 V or 5 V serial.
[17:13] <des2> Hodapp what is it you want to do ?
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[17:15] <AR_> i meant one like this Hodapp http://www.cooldrives.com/index.php/windows-7-64-bit-compatible-usb-to-serial-adapter-rs232-db9-short-8-inch-cable.html
[17:16] <AR_> it uses the rs232 connector but only provides 5v level tx and rx
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[17:16] <Hodapp> If it's called RS232, then _it is not 5V level TX and RX_
[17:16] <AR_> .....
[17:17] <Hodapp> in RS232, something like +3 V to +15 V is logic zero, and -3 to -15 V is logic high
[17:17] <AR_> i have the damn thing do you want me to show you on my oscilloscope?
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[17:18] <AR_> if you have a usb to rs232 you are going to get 5v level
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[17:18] <AR_> usb is 5v vcc
[17:18] <Hodapp> If it's RS232, then it is _not_ 5V level.
[17:18] <[SkG]> Regarding the new turbo mode...
[17:18] <Caver> correct
[17:18] <Caver> mm?
[17:18] <AR_> Hodapp, it depends on the power supply
[17:19] <Hodapp> AR_: -3 V to +3 V is not even a valid voltage range for RS232 TX or TX.
[17:19] <[SkG]> now able to offer a ???turbo mode???, which dynamically enables overclock and overvolt under the control of a cpufreq driver, without affecting your warranty. <--- it sets over_volt to 6 and that means warranty void bit???
[17:19] <AR_> who said anything about 3v rofl
[17:19] <[diecast]> will this allow me to interact with the distro as a terminal prompt? http://www.adafruit.com/products/954
[17:19] <trevorman> [SkG]: no. turbo mode doesn't set that warranty void bit even if its overvolting
[17:19] <[SkG]> interesting... why?
[17:19] <trevorman> [SkG]: turbo mode restricts the maximum voltage and it'll set it lower if the SoC gets too hot
[17:19] <Hodapp> AR_: RS232 is _not compatible_ with 3.3 V or 5 V serial. It's active-low, not active-high, and its voltage levels are completely different.
[17:20] <AR_> Hodapp, usb to serial uses TTL levels
[17:20] <AR_> it is what it is
[17:20] <trevorman> idk. they said they've not noticed any reduction in life if they do the dynamic clocking
[17:20] <Hodapp> AR_: If it's TTL levels, then it is not RS232.
[17:20] <Hodapp> AR_: They are completely incompatible.
[17:20] <Caver> correct ... it's serial
[17:20] <AR_> i'm not saying it uses RS232 level
[17:20] <AR_> that is irrelevant
[17:20] <[SkG]> trevorman, then... If I use the same setting in a plain Raspbian should work?
[17:20] <AR_> it uses a DB9 connector
[17:20] <Hodapp> AR_: Then why does it say that it converts to RS232?
[17:20] <[SLB]> with firmware updated yes [SkG]
[17:20] <[SkG]> I'm not using RPi Foundation image
[17:20] <Caver> anally retentively correct, and most people are happy to use rs232 for short
[17:20] <[SkG]> k
[17:21] <AR_> because they are idiots and most people think of a db9 connector as rs232
[17:21] <[SkG]> then I'm going tu update all the stuff
[17:21] <[SLB]> eheh
[17:21] <AR_> they put the rx and tx lines in the same spot as rs232
[17:21] <AR_> thats about all
[17:21] <[SLB]> i'm now running at 900/333/450/2
[17:21] <Hodapp> AR_: So it says RS232, but it is definitely not RS232?
[17:21] <[SLB]> Revision : 0002
[17:21] <AR_> correct
[17:22] <AR_> it is 5v
[17:22] <AR_> 0v low 5v high
[17:22] <InControl> RPi ius 3.3v
[17:22] <AR_> yes
[17:22] <AR_> hence level shift required
[17:23] <Hodapp> AR_: I'm still not entirely believing that this whole process is a 5-minute one...
[17:23] <trevorman> [SkG]: you need updated bootloader and kernel for it to work properly
[17:23] <[SkG]> k, I'm using rpi-update
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[17:23] <AR_> if you have the usb to serial cable with db9 connector, the level shifter with db9 connector and 4 jumper wires to connect it to the pi
[17:23] <AR_> it is like a 30 second process
[17:23] <[diecast]> nm, found the answer on adafruit forums
[17:24] <AR_> i will take pics when i get home
[17:24] <trevorman> [SkG]: you should check yourself anyway to make sure everything is correct and the latest. this announcement is new so most of us haven't actually tried it yet.
[17:25] <[SLB]> wait. did the freq scaling echo in dmesg get now removed?
[17:27] <trevorman> [SLB]: looks like it
[17:27] <trevorman> it'll only spam you if you compile the module with CPUFREQ_DEBUG_ENABLE set
[17:27] <[SLB]> oh okay, because i couldn't see it anymore and was wondering whether it was actually working or not
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[17:28] <[SLB]> what was again the vcgencmd command to read the arm freq?
[17:28] <[SkG]> hmmm
[17:28] <[SkG]> lets check
[17:28] <[SkG]> Linux raspita 3.2.27+ #160 PREEMPT Mon Sep 17 23:18:42 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[17:28] <[SLB]> thats it
[17:29] <[SLB]> vcgencmd measure_clock arm
[17:29] <[SkG]> seems I have the latest binary libs & kernel
[17:29] <[SkG]> :)
[17:30] <[SLB]> eheh
[17:30] <Hodapp> AR_: 30 second process? Hardly.
[17:30] <[SkG]> 1GHz + my new heat sink
[17:31] <AR_> possibly 45 second if you are slow
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[17:31] <[SkG]> hmmm trevorman, should I use the "/etc/init.d/switch_cpu_governor" that raspi-config sets?
[17:32] <Hodapp> AR`: I think it involves a lot more than you're admitting.
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[17:32] <AR`> i will show you when i get home
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[17:32] <AR`> i dont know why you think it is complicated if you have the connectors and adapters
[17:32] <Hodapp> AR`: You're acting like the process of collecting parts, finding requisite instructions, and doing soldering all occurs as quickly as it can be explained.
[17:32] <Hodapp> AR`: No one here claimed this was complicated.
[17:33] <AR`> i said if you have everything then it is a 30 second process
[17:33] <[diecast]> [SkG]: what did you use to connect the heatsink, just thermal paste?
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[17:33] <[SLB]> hm the scaling seems not to work
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[17:33] <Hodapp> AR`: No, you just said it was a 30 second process, after saying it was a 5 minute one.
[17:34] <AR`> 5 minutes if you need to solder
[17:34] <[SkG]> [diecast], M3 thermal sticker
[17:34] <AR`> 30 second to connect things if you have the adapters
[17:34] <[SkG]> *3M
[17:35] <Hodapp> AR`: I really just think you should admit that the process is only that short once you've already done most of it - which includes the collecting and purchasing of parts, and acquiring the right instructions and pinouts.
[17:35] <AR`> again, i said after you have everything
[17:35] <Hodapp> AR`: By your logic, it takes only about an hour or two to build a car.
[17:35] <atouk> the hookup would have taken less time than this argument
[17:35] <AR`> no, a car requires a lot more assembly time
[17:36] <Hodapp> AR`: No, a car only takes about an hour if you have everything. It's easy.
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[17:36] <AR`> no it doesnt
[17:36] <Hodapp> AR`: It's simple. I'll send you a picture.
[17:36] <AR`> ok
[17:36] <Hodapp> AR`: And seriously, this is one long, long explanation on your part for why the RPi doesn't need an HDMI connector.
[17:37] <[SLB]> i'm testing with 'time echo "scale=2000;4*a(1)" | bc -l' which it was working before, now i don't see any cpu scaling hmm
[17:37] <Hodapp> AR`: But I applaud you for all the backpedaling you did.
[17:37] <AR`> no the connection trouble is left up to you
[17:37] <ech0s7> i have to start a bash script at raspberry boot, the script has inside a infinite loop, so the aim is to run in background thread? how can i do ?
[17:37] <AR`> maybe the rpi should have a usb serial output
[17:37] <Tobias|> A USB serial output
[17:37] <AR`> out/in
[17:37] <AR`> ok
[17:38] <Hodapp> ech0s7: Use & at the end?
[17:38] <AR`> connector
[17:38] <Tobias|> A universal serial bus serial output
[17:38] <Tobias|> :P
[17:38] <AR`> lol
[17:38] <AR`> i mean maybe it should have a level shifter and ftdi chip on board with a usb connector for people like Hodapp
[17:38] <ech0s7> Hodapp: i have put script in /etc/profile.d
[17:38] <ech0s7> it's a good place ?
[17:39] <AR`> since it is too difficult to use an adapter cablle
[17:39] <AR`> cable*
[17:39] <Hodapp> AR`: No one here said it is difficult.
[17:39] <AR`> you can't seem to wrap your mind around the idea of a usb to serial cable with a db9 connector on the end
[17:40] <Hodapp> AR`: Your personal attacks aren't necessary.
[17:40] <[SLB]> how to test if scaling is actually happening?
[17:40] <Hodapp> ech0s7: Hmmm, that or rc.local
[17:41] <Hodapp> AR`: Telling you that it's not a 5-minute task - which is what I've been doing from the beginning - is not the same as claiming it's difficult or hard-to-understand, so I'd appreciate if you'd refrain from misrepresenting my point of view.
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[17:42] <Hodapp> [SLB]: /proc/cpuinfo may update according to speed
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[17:42] <AR`> not worth arguing with ignoramous
[17:42] <AR`> right, Jodaz?
[17:43] <[SLB]> nop bogomips won't, but now weirdly even vcgencmd measure_clock arm is not updating
[17:43] <JodaZ> whats the context, AR`
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[17:43] <[SLB]> so i suspect scaling is not working
[17:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> :- /proc/cpuinfo will not wshow currnt speed
[17:44] <[SLB]> but vcgencmd measure_clock arm should, right?
[17:44] <[SLB]> to me it doesn't anymore :[
[17:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> cat sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[17:44] <RaTTuS|BIG> does
[17:45] <AR`> RaTTuS|BIG, [SLB]
[17:45] <AR`> dmidecode | grep -m1 "Current Speed" | sed s"/Current Speed/Clock Speed/gi";
[17:45] <Hodapp> AR`: Please, my degree is in EE and I used to do BOMs, assembly instructions, and schematics for boards and test rigs. It's not necessary to act like I am clueless.
[17:45] <[SLB]> ok it's definitely not scaling then
[17:45] <Hodapp> RaTTuS|BIG: huh, good to know
[17:45] <AR`> i am a compE and you are inferior
[17:45] <RaTTuS|BIG> put your system under load
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[17:46] <[SLB]> AR` i'm master degreed computer science engineer, so what
[17:46] <Hodapp> RaTTuS|BIG: I could have sworn that on my old crappy netbook cpuinfo would update, but I guess I must have been looking elsewhere.
[17:46] <AC`97> http://rpi.reboxed.net/ <- is my system under load? :D
[17:46] <[SLB]> yes RaTTuS|BIG same way i did the other day but not working hm
[17:46] <Hodapp> [SLB]: what school?
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[17:46] <RaTTuS|BIG> you didn't have shift pressed when you reboot ed did you ?
[17:47] <[SLB]> univ of palermo, italy
[17:47] <[SLB]> no i didn't
[17:47] <[SLB]> hm
[17:47] <[SLB]> this happened after an update
[17:48] <Tobias|> What clock speeds have people gotten for their r-pi without overvolting?
[17:48] <AC`97> frequency(45)=700074000
[17:48] <AC`97> frequency(45)=700074000
[17:48] <AC`97> frequency(45)=700074000
[17:48] <Hodapp> [SLB]: nice, do anything interesting for your thesis?
[17:48] <AC`97> awcrap
[17:48] <AC`97> how did i paste so many
[17:49] <AC`97> Tobias|: up to 1.3GHz. and card started corrupting
[17:49] <Tobias|> card?
[17:49] <[SLB]> for the bachelor degree i did latent semantic analysis in artificial intelligence, search engines, this kind of stuff, for this one am not sure yet eheh
[17:49] <AC`97> sd card.
[17:49] <Tobias|> o_O
[17:49] <Tobias|> I see
[17:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> Tobias| I got 940 with no over volt
[17:49] <Hodapp> [SLB]: CompSci for both?
[17:49] <Tobias|> I'm getting 950 without overvolting
[17:49] <Tobias|> That seems to be out of the ordinary though
[17:49] <[SLB]> the master is cs for intelligent systems, basically yes
[17:50] <Hodapp> [SLB]: but the bachelor's was CS or something else?
[17:50] <AC`97> CS? Corporate Sabotage?
[17:50] <[SLB]> yes cs too
[17:50] <Hodapp> AC`97: Computer Science :P
[17:50] <AC`97> Corporate Sabotage?
[17:50] <Hodapp> o_O
[17:50] <AC`97> O.o
[17:51] <[SLB]> cse
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[17:51] <Hodapp> ahh, at my own school Comp Sci has had the unfortunate fate of being pushed around from department to department
[17:51] <[SLB]> we have 2 branches of cs one belongs to science the other to engineering, am in the eng one
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[17:52] <[SLB]> yes similar here too, started as a branch of electrotechnic
[17:52] <Hodapp> first it was part of engineering, then it was pushed into mathematics, then it was pushed to arts & sciences, then back to applied sciences... which is now merging with engineering again
[17:52] <Hodapp> in the course of about 7 years
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[17:52] <[SLB]> ahh no here the 2 branches still exist for eng and sciences
[17:53] <[SLB]> my original course started in 2000, by that time it was a 5 year degree
[17:53] <Hodapp> with us the only real change is that now engineering technology will soon be a part of engineering instead of applied sciences
[17:53] <[SLB]> then they changed things and such
[17:53] <[SLB]> eheh nice
[17:53] <trevorman> Hodapp: their business cards must come with a pencil so you can write in whatever department it is that year
[17:53] <Hodapp> trevorman: if they even have business cards anymore o_O
[17:54] <trevorman> :)
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[17:55] <[SLB]> ah i think i got why it wasn't working
[17:55] <[SLB]> it needs switch_cpu_governor
[17:56] <[SLB]> let me reboot and check again
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[17:56] <AC`97> er.. what's that?
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[17:56] <Lexip> They might have LED businesscards
[17:56] <AC`97> what is this switch_cpu_governor, and where does it go
[17:56] <[SLB]> a service via update-rc.d
[17:56] <[SLB]> moment, reboot
[17:56] <AC`97> ... oh
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[17:57] <Hodapp> Lexip: dude, Comp Sci people don't have LED business cards. What do you think they are, EE majors?
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[17:58] <Lexip> But...but...
[17:59] <trevorman> business card CDs maybe?
[18:00] <Lexip> There still a market for cards? I thought people just facebooked nowadays!
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[18:00] <AC`97> anyone ever made circuit board business cards?
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[18:01] <trevorman> Lexip: yeah. you need a handful to give to your parents, a couple to give to random sales people, a few to drop into those contest fishbowls and the rest to sit in the box as a paperweight :D
[18:01] <[SLB]> yes it works now
[18:01] <Lexip> Kinda seems like a bit of a dickish move nowadays to get them if you're not in a very important sales position or some shit, a bit like "Yeah, I'm THAT important.."
[18:01] <AC`97> i have business cards...
[18:02] * Lexip coughs
[18:02] <AC`97> but then again, i own an automotive shop
[18:02] <AC`97> :P
[18:02] <Lexip> Well then!
[18:02] <AC`97> it's almost a requirement
[18:02] <[diecast]> i have cards too... and i DONT have a facebook page
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[18:02] <Lexip> [diecast], only acceptable if you're over 50!
[18:02] <[diecast]> pff
[18:02] <Davespice> hey folks
[18:02] <[diecast]> spoken like a 20yo
[18:02] <trevorman> ehhh. FB is annoying most of the time
[18:02] <Lexip> Hey Dave
[18:03] <Davespice> hi o/
[18:03] <Davespice> just a quick q for the channel...
[18:03] <Lexip> trevorman, agreed.
[18:03] <Davespice> has anyone got the MathGl library to compile for the Pi? http://mathgl.sourceforge.net
[18:04] <Davespice> they do provide a cmake build system, but I just haven't tried it myself yet - was just wondering if anyone here has though
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[18:04] <trevorman> Davespice: don't think there should be any real difficulty in getting it compiled
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[18:05] <Davespice> cool, does it need ogles2, or will it be okay with 1.2?
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[18:05] <Davespice> I'll just give it a go later and wee what happens
[18:06] <[SLB]> frequency(45)=500052000
[18:06] <[SLB]> frequency(45)=900000000
[18:07] <AC`97> ^ i wonder why 500052000
[18:07] <AC`97> i think it might be a bug
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[18:08] <AC`97> i got 700074000 for my first
[18:08] <trevorman> Davespice: oh hrm. it uses opengl? yeah thats going to make it difficult
[18:08] <trevorman> I thought it just spat out data which you used something else to visualise
[18:09] <trevorman> you're going to need to port it to gles2
[18:09] <Davespice> its actually for rendering the graphs themselves
[18:09] <trevorman> yeah sorry. only just managed to download the code. the site is broken for me.
[18:09] <trevorman> AC`97: you can't set any arbitrary frequency
[18:10] <Davespice> okay, well I onyl need to make one graph so I could just roll my own system
[18:10] <trevorman> the PLL will have restrictions as it is unlikely to lock on every single frequency down to a couple khz in its range
[18:11] <AC`97> trevorman: yah, i know
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[18:11] <AC`97> i didn't set it. that's just what it showed
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[18:13] <[SLB]> i feel that the idle freq is not a precise value
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[18:14] <[SLB]> maybe if set to 600mhz it'll show something like 600063000
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[18:18] <[SkG]> I did an openssl speed
[18:18] <[SkG]> and seems thast stuck at 700MHz
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[18:18] <[SLB]> did you change the settings by hand?
[18:19] <AC`97> [SkG]: set governor
[18:19] <AC`97> echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[18:19] <[SkG]> k
[18:19] <[SLB]> what was it set at?
[18:19] <AC`97> probably powersave
[18:20] <[SLB]> ah yups
[18:20] <[SkG]> oh
[18:20] <[SkG]> yes
[18:20] <[SkG]> now I setted it and RPi died
[18:20] <[SLB]> i did it from raspi-config and it executed a boot service
[18:21] <[SLB]> which basically does the same i guess
[18:21] <[SkG]> I did it by hand
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[18:21] <[SkG]> and created the switch-blah-blah file
[18:21] <[SLB]> yes
[18:22] <[SLB]> not sure, after i did it from raspi-config now it works
[18:22] <[SkG]> hmmm but seems that is not working
[18:22] <[SkG]> I'm going to do it with raspi-config
[18:22] <[SLB]> update-rc.d done?
[18:22] <[SkG]> yes
[18:22] <[SLB]> oh hm
[18:22] <[SLB]> yes try that
[18:22] <[SLB]> and have to reboot
[18:23] <[SkG]> update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
[18:23] <[SkG]> update-rc.d: warning: default start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match switch_cpu_governor Default-Start values (S)
[18:23] <[SkG]> update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match switch_cpu_governor Default-Stop values (none)
[18:23] <[SLB]> yes
[18:23] <[SLB]> done
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[18:24] <steve_rox> sounds like your havein fun
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[18:26] <AC`97> fun fun
[18:27] <steve_rox> indeed
[18:28] <[SkG]> interesting
[18:28] <[SkG]> now I get kernel panic
[18:28] <[SkG]> or something like that
[18:28] <[SkG]> :P
[18:29] <Lexip> Names.so.similar, looks like you're talking to yourself :<
[18:29] * [SkG] is now known as Assert
[18:29] <Assert> better?
[18:30] <Lexip> Assert.Equals("[SLB]")
[18:30] <Lexip> Yep!
[18:30] <Assert> this is my alternative nick
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[18:30] <[SLB]> lol
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[18:31] <Assert> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2228928/IMG_20120919_182713.jpg
[18:32] <[SLB]> which settings did you choose?
[18:32] <[SLB]> maybe it's too high
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[18:33] <[SLB]> not only similar nicks, i also have an acer monitor hm, lol
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[18:34] <trevorman> clones or alternate dimension imo
[18:34] <[SLB]> parallel workd in everett's theory, yes, most likely
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[18:34] <[SLB]> *worlds
[18:34] <Assert> [SLB], Used the turbo config
[18:34] <Assert> 1000/500/500
[18:35] <[SLB]> eh maybe it's too high for your pi
[18:35] <Assert> :(
[18:35] <[SLB]> try high by hand let's see
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[18:35] <Assert> yep
[18:35] <Assert> I'm going
[18:35] <[SLB]> eheh
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[18:36] <Assert> also... My hand-made case Is not suitable for oc..
[18:36] <Assert> retains too much hot air
[18:36] <[SLB]> oh :\
[18:36] <Assert> maybe I just have to wait untill the new arrives
[18:36] <Assert> what model you have?
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[18:37] <barneygale> Hey all. I've made a bit of a silly mistake - I installed b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-installer. This regenerated a /boot/initrd image, but /boot ran out of space. apt-get removing the packages also complains of no space remaining. I'm afraid to reboot in case it won't come back up. Thoughts?
[18:37] <[SLB]> rev1 week 19th
[18:37] <[SLB]> from farnell
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[18:38] <Assert> with D14 & fuses?
[18:38] <[SLB]> yes
[18:38] <Assert> or without them
[18:38] <[SLB]> with
[18:38] <Assert> like me
[18:38] <Assert> rs too
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[18:38] <[SLB]> nop samsung ram
[18:38] <Assert> I think that week 19 maybe too
[18:38] <Assert> let me check
[18:38] <Assert> how I can see if samsumg
[18:39] <[SLB]> my rs one had hynyx ram week 22
[18:39] <[SLB]> it's written on the ram
[18:39] <[SLB]> from rs maybe hynix
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[18:41] <Assert> its hynix
[18:41] <[SLB]> maybe it performs differently
[18:41] <Assert> yes
[18:41] <[SLB]> if overclocked, that is
[18:41] <Assert> I just saw that samsung is better for oc
[18:42] <[SLB]> you can try 1ghz for the arm and less for the ram maybe
[18:42] * ka6sox is now known as ka6sox-away
[18:42] <Assert> yep
[18:42] <Assert> thats what I've just done, lets try
[18:43] <[SLB]> eheh
[18:45] <Assert> [SLB], down ram from 500 to 450
[18:45] <Assert> and works
[18:45] <[SLB]> :D
[18:46] <Assert> lets openssl speed :P
[18:46] <[SLB]> :3
[18:46] <misterhat> ah
[18:46] <misterhat> this pi is beautiful
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[18:47] <Assert> At boot: http://puu.sh/16Ecy
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[18:49] <Assert> Anyway my case sux. Just booted w/o case ~40??C w/ case ~50??C
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[18:50] <[SLB]> a bit will always make it warmer i guess
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[18:57] <oal> I have an old 4GB card in my Pi, but after compiling Go, it's full, so in other words, I need more space. Is this a good choice? http://s3.pji.nu/product/standard/800/1238197.jpg
[18:58] <[SLB]> very good choice
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[18:59] <Hodapp> wow, how big is Go?
[18:59] <oal> Not sure, but I got an error saying the card was full
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[19:01] <oal> [SLB]: how fast cards are recommended for the Pi? Any minimums?
[19:03] <Tobias|> It depends entirely on what you're going to use it for
[19:03] <Tobias|> I'm not aware of any minimums
[19:03] <Assert> Its doing it pretty well, temp peak: 55??C
[19:03] <Assert> cpu 100%
[19:03] <Assert> 1GHz
[19:04] <oal> I'll be running "motion" for a webcam, and a small Go powered web app, Tobias|
[19:06] <[SLB]> what matters is usually the random access speed
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[19:06] <[SLB]> if you save videos and pics with motion then also the sequential speed
[19:06] <[SLB]> that card is perfect though
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[19:07] <misterhat> how can i hook up my dial up to the pi?
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[19:07] <misterhat> where's the modem port?
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[19:08] <JodaZ> what modem port, you trollin ?
[19:09] <scummos> the pi doesn't have a modem xD
[19:09] <RaYmAn> you can probably connect it to the TTL serial port on the device with a suitable level shifter :D
[19:10] <steve_rox> damn asus support "sucks"
[19:10] <chris_99> misterhat, it's a software modem
[19:10] <steve_rox> they think reinstalling the OS will fix a bios/hardware issue
[19:11] <chris_99> you have to code the software though
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[19:13] <swo0osh> I was really hoping it'd have more usb ports than this ><
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[19:14] <misterhat> swo0osh: http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-PORT-USB-2-0-EXTERNAL-HUB-W-POWER-ADAPTER-FOR-PC-MAC-w-cable-/390470631978?pt=US_USB_Cables_Hubs_Adapters&hash=item5ae9dd022a
[19:14] <swo0osh> that's a bit too clunky
[19:15] <swo0osh> :S
[19:16] <misterhat> here swo0osh
[19:16] <misterhat> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PCUSB3-MINI-4-PORT-USB-2-0-HUB-BUS-SELF-POWERED-/120985510346?pt=US_USB_Cables_Hubs_Adapters&hash=item1c2b4c61ca
[19:16] <misterhat> bit smaller
[19:16] <swo0osh> lol... ebay....
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[19:17] <AC`97> i like my own hub.
[19:18] <swo0osh> what have you?
[19:18] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CugfNNxmhhbXvjUjyDJ6mvDJCT4qjt0I9T_QkgwhhNE?feat=directlink
[19:18] <AC`97> frankenstein hub
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[19:19] <swo0osh> what are you making?
[19:19] <AC`97> motorcyclePi
[19:20] <swo0osh> pics
[19:20] <AC`97> wut is a pics
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[19:20] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[19:20] <swo0osh> its short for pictures on the internet
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[19:21] <AC`97> http://goo.gl/JdDt1
[19:21] <[SLB]> lol
[19:21] <AC`97> [SLB]: lol your own fase
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[19:22] <AC`97> Hello Rob Morrissey
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[19:22] <AC`97> ...
[19:22] <swo0osh> What does it do AC`97
[19:23] <AC`97> it does
[19:23] <swo0osh> I don't think so
[19:23] <swo0osh> Just looks like it glows
[19:23] <swo0osh> I guess overpriced lamps are cool tho
[19:24] <AC`97> indeed.
[19:24] <[SLB]> AC`97, y u so thinskinned
[19:24] <AC`97> i was testing my frankenstein hub
[19:24] <AC`97> [SLB]: y u so... uh... something??
[19:25] <swo0osh> woah man how did u flip that question mark upside down
[19:25] <AC`97> my keyboard is dying.
[19:25] <swo0osh> that is so weird lul
[19:25] <swo0osh> u should make a raspberry keyboard
[19:26] <[SLB]> shift+altgr+?
[19:26] <[SLB]> ??
[19:26] <AC`97> ??!
[19:27] <swo0osh> what is the intent of your glowing electronics AC`97
[19:27] <AC`97> wardriving.
[19:27] <AC`97> 3 wifi adapters + gps
[19:27] <AC`97> and bluetooth when it stops being crashy
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[19:29] <AC`97> http://rpi.reboxed.net/
[19:29] <AC`97> my pi has 0 ponies. how sad.
[19:29] <[SLB]> are you using a rotary encoder for the fan or something?
[19:29] <AC`97> i'm using fan's output thing
[19:29] <AC`97> + gpio
[19:30] <AC`97> i used my gpio remote receiver code for counting rpm >:D
[19:30] <AC`97> i so lazy
[19:30] <AC`97> it's also fully interrupt based. = erratic rpms, when i touch something metal onto ground, etc..
[19:32] <AC`97> i wonder if anyone else has similar interrupt problems
[19:32] <[SLB]> the fan sends a pulse per round on the control line?
[19:32] <oal> I'm looking for a small battery pack with usb in/out to use with my pi so that it doesn't power off if the power is away for a few minutes. Is this ok? http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2600mAh-Universal-Power-External-Battery-for-Mobile-iPhone-MP4-Black-New-EA-/221123077234?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item337bf66472
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[19:32] <AC`97> [SLB]: or in my case, 2 pulses
[19:32] <misterhat> barely
[19:32] <AC`97> if you run the fan on 12v, it sends 12v pulses :D
[19:32] <misterhat> oh wait
[19:32] <misterhat> yeah it looks fine
[19:32] <[SLB]> that depends on what
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[19:33] <oal> misterhat: talking about that link?
[19:33] <misterhat> yeh
[19:33] <AC`97> it's most likely not 2600mAh though
[19:33] <oal> great. I don't need something that'll last for hours, just for occasional temporary power failures / disconnects
[19:33] <AC`97> probably around 1200-1800mAh
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[19:34] <AC`97> or if you get a dud, even less than that.
[19:34] <oal> Can I somehow detect how much current the pi gets from software?
[19:34] <oal> (from that thing)
[19:34] <AC`97> i bought 2 1800mAh lithium ion batteries. it cost $18
[19:35] <AC`97> oal: just go with averages. ~300-400mA, i suppose
[19:35] <AC`97> or possibly just around 400mA and up
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[19:36] <oal> what do you mean? I'll get 400mA from that thing?
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[19:36] <AC`97> oal: that's how much the pi will draw on average
[19:36] <AC`97> or idle.
[19:36] <oal> ah, I see.
[19:37] <misterhat> I wish model A was out
[19:37] <oal> can I measure the battery from the Pi and shutdown safely if the battery is almost empty?
[19:37] <misterhat> draws a lot less power
[19:37] <AC`97> oal: not without some work.
[19:37] <AC`97> you need an ADC, and possibly a logic level converter...
[19:37] <AC`97> and did i mention that i'm electronics illiterate?
[19:37] <oal> ok, don't think I'll bother. Power failures are rare :)
[19:38] <scummos> well just use a good journaling FS such as ext4, I don't think it's fatal if it just goes out then ;P
[19:38] <oal> But I'll get one of those battery packs. Thanks for looking at it
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[19:38] <AC`97> (:
[19:38] <AC`97> my pi has low-voltage shutdown
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[19:38] <AC`97> but then again, the primary relay only works down to a certain voltage
[19:39] <AC`97> when that relay pops off, the pi initiates shutdown sequence and then shuts itself off via suicide relay
[19:42] <[SLB]> with a timer?
[19:42] <AC`97> no timer.
[19:42] <AC`97> primary relay supplies power and gpio signal
[19:42] <AC`97> suicide relay supplies power in parallel to the first, and is controlled by RPi
[19:43] <AC`97> primary relay is controlled by switch/ignition
[19:43] * cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccyRegeaneAway
[19:43] <AC`97> s/parallel to/parallel with/
[19:44] <AC`97> i also have some few software hax to prevent shutdown from happening when i'm just toggling the ignition to shut down my lights
[19:44] <[SLB]> i don't get how the secondary can turn the pi off by pi command, after the pi itself has shut down already
[19:45] <AC`97> well, the suicide relay works when it's gpio pin is pulled to ground
[19:45] <[SLB]> ah ok so lack of gpio signal makes the relay open?
[19:46] <AC`97> yes, when pi shuts down
[19:46] <[SLB]> okay
[19:46] <AC`97> i originally thought i'd have to do it manually, but then figured out that the gpio gets reset when the pi completes shutdown
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[19:46] <spycrab0> what happens if you execute shutdown now on the pi does it shutdown and restart then?
[19:46] <[SLB]> means it goes to high impedence?
[19:47] <AC`97> [SLB]: possibly.
[19:47] <[SLB]> ok
[19:47] <AC`97> spycrab0: it'll shut down
[19:47] <AC`97> that's why i have my suicide script reboot instead of shutting down.
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[19:47] <spycrab0> AC??97: And if you want to start it again plug it in and out?
[19:47] <AC`97> when primary relay is still on, it'll reboot. if it's off, it'll click off suicide relay and stay off
[19:47] <spycrab0> i mean the power adapter
[19:48] <AC`97> spycrab0: oh. it'll be in my motorcycle
[19:48] <AC`97> but it works with a regular switch too during debug/testing/blahblah.
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[19:50] <oal> Should one avoid buying SD cards on Ebay? How do you know if they're genuine?
[19:50] <AC`97> oal: you can always check after you receive them.
[19:50] <AC`97> if they're fake, demand a refund. law prevents you from sending it back.
[19:50] <AC`97> or at least that's how it's like in the US
[19:51] <_Trullo> I was offered a 900gb usb memory when I was in china, it was cheap too :)
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[19:51] <oal> AC`97: I'm in Norway. Not sure if I could do that here
[19:52] <AC`97> oal: it'll still be likely that you can get your money back if you notify the seller
[19:52] <spycrab0> i will use my pi to act as an gaming console , are there any intefaces for something like that (not xmbc!)? else i will program it myself and maybe post it on the pi forums
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[19:55] <[SLB]> better on amazon for sd card
[19:55] <AC`97> amazonbasics?
[19:55] <[SLB]> no sandisk
[19:55] <AC`97> amazon has fake ones too.
[19:56] <[SLB]> haven't found any yet
[19:56] <AC`97> or at least, amazon sellers do.
[19:56] <[SLB]> maybe, i meant sold by amazon
[19:56] <[SLB]> usually half retail price
[19:56] <AC`97> oh i see
[19:56] <[SLB]> eheh
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[20:19] <anticw> does changing the memory split affect video playback performance? i'm guessing no
[20:20] <anticw> but it would limit what other resources you can have, layers, opengl textures, etc ?
[20:20] <AC`97> yes.
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[20:35] <anticw> AC`97: any experience with CEC, specifically remote control passthrough under raspbian
[20:36] <anticw> is there something i can run to dump CEC commands/details as they occur?
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[20:38] <anticw> i tried cec-utils but there seems to be a missing .so, it's not clear if that's a dep issue or something deeper
[20:38] <AC`97> ...
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[20:38] <AC`97> er, brb.
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[21:00] <tehtrb> derp
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[21:00] <AC`97> herp
[21:01] <tehtrb> hurrrrrrrrr
[21:02] <tehtrb> how you doin my illitarate friend
[21:03] <AC`97> ...
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[21:05] <tehtrb> fwiend ?
[21:05] <scummos> fiend
[21:05] <tehtrb> fwiend !!
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[21:11] <ech0s7> do you know how many time require compile XBMC on rpi ?
[21:11] <tehtrb> i think it needs one time
[21:11] <tehtrb> unless u want to do it many times
[21:11] <tehtrb> then it needs many times
[21:11] <tehtrb> derp
[21:11] <Matt> I think he means how long :P
[21:12] <tehtrb> derp
[21:12] <Matt> be nice to folks for whom english isn't their first language
[21:12] <tehtrb> it isnt mine either
[21:12] <tehtrb> altho you do have a point ;)
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[21:13] <[SLB]> may take 10-24h, maybe less than 10 on a fast card. took me 22h on a class 4 class
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[21:16] <ech0s7> [SLB]: only the configure took me 15m
[21:16] <ech0s7> :)
[21:16] <[SLB]> eheh
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[21:25] <Tron1275> hello all....
[21:25] <tehtrb> hi Tron1275
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[21:25] <Tron1275> whats happenin in here tonite???
[21:25] <tehtrb> derp
[21:26] <luxor> hi here
[21:26] <Tron1275> ahhhh..... ok---
[21:26] <luxor> with a config.txt with core_freq=420 gpu_freq=280 arm_freq=850, no overvoltage
[21:27] <luxor> do i need a dissipator ?
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[21:27] <Tron1275> anyone know if thr android port is about???
[21:27] <luxor> heatsink**
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[21:39] <trevorman> luxor: doubt it. go test it.
[21:39] <luxor> i currently using it, but i don"t have temp sensor
[21:40] <luxor> so i can't check temperature right now
[21:40] <trevorman> the GPU has one you can query
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[21:42] <luxor> true, my rasp is my media center at the moment
[21:42] <luxor> i actually run a big fan when reading 1080p
[21:42] <luxor> but if the cpu is idle do i need it ?
[21:42] <luxor> 50% charge
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[21:45] <Assert> luxor, RPi tests are that 1000/500/500 can be used without heat sink (dissipator)
[21:45] <Assert> but I bought it just in case...
[21:46] <luxor> Thanks for that clear response Assert
[21:46] <luxor> i'll propbably buy a VGA heatsink just to me sure
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[21:46] <luxor> just for 4??? no doubt, my question was waiting my new stuff
[21:47] <Assert> luxor, there is a pack I bought at ebay
[21:47] <Assert> its perfect
[21:47] <luxor> the zalman ?
[21:48] <streetuff> weee. got my 2nd rpi in the mail today
[21:48] <streetuff> this time a made in the uk one :)
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[21:51] <steve_rox> yay for uk production :-)
[21:51] <streetuff> hehe
[21:51] <[diecast]> does it have coal dust on it?
[21:51] <steve_rox> our country finally bloody makes something
[21:51] <streetuff> ordered it sunday
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[21:51] <streetuff> from a german guy on ebay
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[21:52] <steve_rox> trying to update my pi wheesy now
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[21:52] <streetuff> so yay for german v2 resellers :)
[21:52] <steve_rox> hopefully it will work without buggering up
[21:53] <steve_rox> i backed it up anyways
[21:53] <streetuff> i fucked up my sd card today
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[21:53] <streetuff> so i think i will just drop the current image on my card
[21:53] <streetuff> or do a re-install from the installer again
[21:54] <steve_rox> so i had a reply from asus support today about my faulty motherboard , they said reinstall windows and use IDE communication protocal on the data transfer mode
[21:54] <streetuff> was thinking about putting root on my 64gb ssd that i have in a usb case
[21:54] <steve_rox> i have so much confidence in asus now i must say
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[21:54] <steve_rox> whats next reinstall xp onto a floppy disk using low density disks?
[21:55] <streetuff> steve_rox: 5 1/4" disks (single sided - double density)
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[21:56] <steve_rox> i just couldent believe they suggested it
[21:56] <steve_rox> at the end he suggested getting a RMA off dealer which i think may be best
[21:57] <steve_rox> they must be fireing all the pc support persional in faviour of iphone tech support ppl
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[21:57] <kim-jong> steve_rox: lol
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[21:58] <streetuff> steve_rox: what about... http://www.daupara.de/disks1.jpg | http://www.daupara.de/disks2.jpg
[21:58] <steve_rox> :-P
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[21:58] <steve_rox> i have some them super bendy disks around here somewhere
[21:58] <steve_rox> allong with the drives
[21:59] <streetuff> 8" like mine?
[21:59] <streetuff> :-P
[21:59] <steve_rox> and if lucky a IDE connector that may fit
[21:59] <steve_rox> not sure
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[21:59] <streetuff> i have an 8" shugart drive for them
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[21:59] <streetuff> 5 1/4 i got a lot of them for the c64
[21:59] <zleap> hello
[21:59] <streetuff> but 8" only a few
[21:59] <steve_rox> oh i got c64 disks
[21:59] <steve_rox> :-)
[21:59] * zleap remembers 8" from school
[22:00] <streetuff> steve_rox: on pic 2 there is a 5 1/4 disk under the 8" box :)
[22:00] <streetuff> zleap: http://www.daupara.de/disks1.jpg | http://www.daupara.de/disks2.jpg
[22:01] <steve_rox> in the old tech days manufactueres were more adventurious with hardware ideas
[22:01] <steve_rox> with the insane data bus ideas etc
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[22:01] <steve_rox> now tech is as exsiteing as a plastic bucket
[22:01] <steve_rox> allough the PI is interesting
[22:01] <zleap> er yeah
[22:01] <streetuff> hehe
[22:01] <steve_rox> it breaks the mould
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[22:01] <zleap> well the pi is going back to what we had in the 80's trying to get people hacking hardware and software again
[22:02] <MrBIOS> hi folks
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[22:02] <Assert> I hate my screen... i have to use hdmi_force_hotplug=1
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[22:02] <Assert> but the TV works perfect
[22:02] <steve_rox> does that force hdmi only?
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[22:03] <Assert> that forces hdmi signal even if is not connected
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[22:03] <Assert> my screen fails at hotplug
[22:03] <Assert> If I change between inputs
[22:03] <steve_rox> i need a force composite cmd
[22:03] <steve_rox> wonder if you set hdmi hotplug=-1 it works ;-)
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[22:04] <MrBIOS> steve_rox, is there any provision for extracting chroma/luma from the Pi PCB anywhere?
[22:04] <steve_rox> i have no idea what that means sorry :-P
[22:04] <streetuff> MrBIOS: i think you cant get svhs from the pi
[22:05] <MrBIOS> streetuff, S-video, not SVHS :)
[22:05] <MrBIOS> SVHS is a magnetic tape technology ;-)
[22:05] <streetuff> MrBIOS: yeah. thats what i meant. sorry :)
[22:05] <steve_rox> its annoying since i want to display some emulator on a composite LCD
[22:05] <steve_rox> every time i exec it switches to hdmi
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[22:06] <streetuff> steve_rox: had the same problem when running vice on fbas
[22:06] <trevorman> steve_rox: you can force composite
[22:07] <steve_rox> id like to know how
[22:07] <steve_rox> i was unable to get vice to compile
[22:07] <trevorman> its a config.txt option
[22:07] <trevorman> one of them makes it ignore HDMI completely
[22:07] <streetuff> steve_rox: i compiled it from source
[22:07] <steve_rox> if you know the force cmd leme know cos i couldent find it anywhere
[22:07] <trevorman> no. I know there is one. never used it though.
[22:07] <streetuff> steve_rox: compiled the sdl version. works almost fluent with sound turned off
[22:08] <streetuff> steve_rox: xvic works with sound for me. tested my vic20 demo on it
[22:08] <markusg> is it possible to install xbmc on a debian wheezy distro?
[22:08] <steve_rox> well the legalised over volting today so maybe that boost will help you
[22:08] <MrBIOS> are there any config.txt parameters to force the board to come up in a particular resolution?
[22:08] <MrBIOS> I don't even know if it's possible for the Pi to drive 1600x1024
[22:09] <streetuff> steve_rox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI4BxAgjUS8
[22:09] <trevorman> MrBIOS: chroma + luma signals aren't available on the rpi
[22:10] <streetuff> https://github.com/Evilpaul/RPi-config/blob/master/config.txt
[22:10] <steve_rox> i only had experence with the c64 really
[22:10] <steve_rox> and maybe a bbc micro
[22:11] <streetuff> i still code demos on c64
[22:11] <MrBIOS> trevorman, makes sense, since the composite is generated on-die
[22:11] <streetuff> going to the X party in holland next month :)
[22:11] <steve_rox> some the music in c64 games were so crude yet amazing
[22:12] <streetuff> steve_rox: seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08qsP8GgaBQ&feature=plcp
[22:12] <streetuff> steve_rox: nice homage to the c64
[22:13] <MrBIOS> so is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo7uXaV6Q1s
[22:13] <streetuff> blureu ;)
[22:13] <steve_rox> haha impossible mission
[22:13] <streetuff> ahhhh another visitor!
[22:13] <steve_rox> i had that on c64 floppy
[22:13] <steve_rox> stay a while
[22:13] <streetuff> STAYYYYYYYY FOREEEEEVRR!
[22:13] <steve_rox> hahaha
[22:14] <trevorman> MrBIOS: yeah. afraid so.
[22:15] <steve_rox> hope we get some ppl makeing games for the pi soon
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[22:15] <steve_rox> and i dont mean ones involveing cats
[22:15] <trevorman> steve_rox: hdmi_ignore_hotplug=1 Use composite mode even if HDMI monitor is detected
[22:15] <streetuff> steve_rox: ponys?
[22:15] <steve_rox> hmmm
[22:15] <steve_rox> i gotta try that cmd
[22:15] <steve_rox> if my pi survives this update
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[22:16] <AR_> Hodapp, im home
[22:16] <AR_> should i take pics
[22:17] <steve_rox> i mean some kinda game devlopment in the pi community
[22:17] <steve_rox> not just "scratch"
[22:17] <trevorman> MrBIOS: doesn't look it supports odd resolutions like 1600x1024. there is a list of possible modes and that isn't on it. the list actually has more resolutions than are actually supported as well.
[22:17] <steve_rox> be great if we could get as many games on it as we did the c64
[22:17] <MrBIOS> trevorman are all the config file options documented somewhere?
[22:18] <trevorman> yeah
[22:18] <trevorman> MrBIOS: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[22:18] <MrBIOS> trevorman: yeah, it's a weird res, but I have a pile of 1600SW's that have that res natively
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[22:18] <trevorman> the list of resolutions includes ones that the rpi doesn't support. thats just straight out of the CEA/DMT specs from what I can see
[22:19] <trevorman> oh the 1600SWs were nice monitors
[22:19] * streetuff turns on the c64 to play some sids from the mmc64
[22:20] <steve_rox> hopefullly this legal overclock/volting will allow me to run sonic at better speed ;-)
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[22:21] <steve_rox> would be great if the emulators had internet support for multiplayer
[22:22] <streetuff> vice has
[22:22] <MrBIOS> trevorman, yeah, I have one which has an embedded DVI conversion circuit
[22:23] <MrBIOS> basically just decodes DVI back out to LVDS, and advertises EDIDs properly
[22:23] <steve_rox> heh on c64 i once had this game called "hollywood strip poker" , cant find it anywhere online but she was like "i have no clothes left to continue" haha
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[22:23] <AR_> Hodapp, http://i.imgur.com/anWhL.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/IcnIO.jpg
[22:23] <streetuff> steve_rox: http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/?id=30039
[22:24] <steve_rox> think that may be it
[22:24] <steve_rox> it had the most amazing cheesy music too
[22:24] <steve_rox> :-D
[22:24] <streetuff> hollywood poker pro is much better
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[22:24] <streetuff> i worked for the game company in the 90s
[22:25] <streetuff> -> ReLine Software
[22:25] <streetuff> http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/?id=13323
[22:25] <steve_rox> hehehe
[22:26] <steve_rox> for the professional stripping eh
[22:27] <steve_rox> in window pro just translates to more expensive for more errelivent functions your never need
[22:28] <streetuff> hehe
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[22:28] <streetuff> on ipad pro means. buy more awesome features in-app :)
[22:28] <steve_rox> that are colored in white?
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[22:29] <steve_rox> damn this pi update is takeing forever
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[22:30] <steve_rox> hope i dont have some power cut
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[22:30] <streetuff> i'll re-install at the weekend
[22:30] <steve_rox> i dont know what the linux equivlent is for chkdsk
[22:30] <MrBIOS> fsck
[22:30] <steve_rox> :-Pp
[22:30] <streetuff> fsck the fscking fsckers
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[22:31] <steve_rox> so there is no disk repair tool?
[22:31] <streetuff> fsck!
[22:31] <scummos> ther eis
[22:31] <scummos> it's called fsck
[22:31] <streetuff> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsck
[22:32] <steve_rox> was not sure if he has jokeing or not
[22:32] <steve_rox> so its a automatic thing?
[22:33] <scummos> yes
[22:33] <scummos> it fixes most errors automatically
[22:33] <scummos> and if something is severly broken it'll ask
[22:33] <steve_rox> hahaha
[22:33] <scummos> hum? :D
[22:34] <steve_rox> i must of mis read
[22:34] <steve_rox> i thought you said if something sevirely broken dont ask
[22:34] <scummos> haha ok
[22:34] <steve_rox> :-P
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[22:37] <djazz> just tried playing quake 3 on overclock level Medium, plays for five mins then it reboots. then i get this error:
[22:37] <djazz> fatal vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block
[22:37] <djazz> it dont boot
[22:37] <MrBIOS> filesystem corruption
[22:38] <djazz> my laptop dont detect the sd card
[22:38] <MrBIOS> SD card fried!
[22:38] <steve_rox> update complete , nothings blown up
[22:38] <MrBIOS> world is over
[22:38] <steve_rox> werid
[22:38] <djazz> really?
[22:38] <MrBIOS> no, I'm just being unhelpful
[22:38] <steve_rox> oh your trolling and the disk is fine
[22:39] <djazz> sudo fdisk -l shows nothing about it
[22:39] <steve_rox> whats windows think about it?
[22:39] <asaru> woot got my second pi today
[22:40] <djazz> windows?
[22:40] <streetuff> asaru: me too :)
[22:40] <streetuff> asaru: a v2 unit
[22:40] <steve_rox> after i update the pi is a reboot in order or can i say screw it and carry on?
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[22:40] <asaru> no v2
[22:40] <asaru> no made in uk on this pcb
[22:41] <asaru> thats okay though
[22:41] <steve_rox> no extra holes?
[22:41] <streetuff> i found mine as "made in the uk" one on german ebay
[22:41] <asaru> nope
[22:41] <asaru> its an original board
[22:42] <asaru> from element14
[22:42] <steve_rox> i dont think theres a huge reason to get v2
[22:42] <steve_rox> apart from uk pride
[22:42] <asaru> well the power over usb thing
[22:43] <streetuff> and fixed cec
[22:43] <steve_rox> but the usb ports can be hotwired to fix that rember
[22:43] <trevorman> fixed cec?
[22:43] <MrBIOS> can't you fix CEC with sixty seconds worth of rework on v1?
[22:43] <trevorman> oh the back feed thing? doesn't affect most TVs
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[22:44] <streetuff> trevorman: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1929
[22:44] <trevorman> USB fuse "fix", the HDMI power, the LAN chip power, swapping around I2C and the extra GPIOs
[22:44] <streetuff> trevorman: see... +5V0 Leakage from HDMI
[22:44] <trevorman> yeah. it doesn't affect all TVs
[22:44] <trevorman> or monitors
[22:45] <steve_rox> yay my pi actually booted
[22:45] <streetuff> id does affect my tv
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[22:45] <steve_rox> anyone know what the cmd is to display cpu tempature? so i can see just how up to date ive managed to get it
[22:45] <trevorman> vcgencmd measure_temp
[22:45] <AC`97> cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[22:46] <steve_rox> thanks
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[22:46] <AC`97> i believe the thermal driver was added after the measure_temp
[22:46] <AC`97> not sure though. i computer illiterate
[22:46] <djazz> no one knows how to fix a broken filesystem? :P
[22:46] <djazz> atleast so i can format it
[22:46] <steve_rox> the cat one rreturns a value of
[22:46] <AC`97> djazz: how broke??
[22:46] <steve_rox> 49230
[22:47] <AC`97> 49.230??C
[22:47] <djazz> AC`97: laptop dont detect it
[22:47] <djazz> raspi boots but stops after 3 secs
[22:47] <djazz> fatal vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown-block
[22:47] <AC`97> djazz: laptop running windohs?
[22:47] <djazz> no, ubuntu
[22:47] <AC`97> oh. ewwbuntu
[22:47] <djazz> fdisk, nadaa
[22:47] <steve_rox> the measure temp cmd gives a better formatted result
[22:47] <AC`97> steve_rox: psh, who needs formatting :P
[22:47] <steve_rox> my eyes ;-)
[22:48] <AC`97> also, the /sys/ method uses less cpu%
[22:48] <steve_rox> looks like its hovvering at 48-49'c
[22:48] <djazz> AC`97: should i try in windows?
[22:48] <AC`97> no.
[22:48] <steve_rox> you have nothing to loose
[22:49] <steve_rox> interesting a pi may of murdered a sd card
[22:49] <AR_> no
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[22:49] <trevorman> SD cards aren't indestructible. you have a chance of messing them up by interrupting power when its doing a write.
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[22:50] <MrBIOS> what trevorman said
[22:50] <djazz> why does the pi boots then? for 3 secs
[22:50] <steve_rox> yeah but that doesnt usualy destroy em
[22:50] <djazz> and THEN fails
[22:50] <AR_> it should not have a large sd card slot there should only be microSD
[22:50] <AR_> full size SD is deprecated
[22:50] <trevorman> steve_rox: ehh. depends on what it corrupts and who makes the controller inside the card itself.
[22:51] <trevorman> djazz: you tried reformatting it?
[22:51] <djazz> trevorman: how?
[22:51] <trevorman> just delete any or all partitions on there and start from scratch
[22:51] <djazz> laptop dont detect it
[22:51] <steve_rox> im wondering what windows says about it
[22:51] <trevorman> ah
[22:51] <trevorman> hm
[22:51] <trevorman> djazz: no device appears at all when you plug it in?
[22:51] <AR_> windows on the PI is slow
[22:51] <djazz> nope
[22:52] <trevorman> odd
[22:52] <djazz> trevorman: nothing in fdisk either
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[22:52] <djazz> or gparted
[22:52] <trevorman> not going to be easy to reformat it if you don't even get a device in /dev
[22:52] <steve_rox> ive seen someone boot win95 onto the pi , that may be amuseing to try sometime
[22:52] <trevorman> you got any other card readers? preferably of a different make/model
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[22:52] <djazz> trevorman: yeah, on my netbook
[22:53] <MrBIOS> some older SD card readers WILL NOT read SDHC cards which are 4GB or above
[22:53] <djazz> i can try..
[22:53] <MrBIOS> I have one, so make sure
[22:53] <trevorman> yeah what MrBIOS said. you've read it okay on that reader before?
[22:53] <trevorman> try a different reader if you can anyway
[22:54] <djazz> ive always used SDHC 8 GB on it..
[22:54] <steve_rox> none my card readers can read them micro sd cards in them little sd card converters/adapters
[22:54] <steve_rox> maybe its the adapter who knows
[22:54] <trevorman> it should do. the adapters are just a form factor change. no electronics in it.
[22:55] <steve_rox> i think i tryed 2 different ones
[22:55] <trevorman> djazz: try a different card reader
[22:55] <steve_rox> refuse to read em
[22:55] <steve_rox> 2 eeepc's refuse same as a usb reader
[22:55] <djazz> trevorman: i am.. wait...
[22:55] <trevorman> odd. there isn't anything inside those adapters.
[22:56] <AR_> no one uses full sized SD
[22:56] <steve_rox> i cant make any sence of it
[22:56] <MrBIOS> trevorman, perhaps that's the problem :)
[22:56] <trevorman> MrBIOS: :D
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[22:56] <MrBIOS> missing traces would certainly explain it ;)
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[22:56] <AR_> and i bet all of you either use a microSD adapter or had to buy a full sized SD for your Pi
[22:56] <MrBIOS> I'm using a full size class ten card
[22:56] <trevorman> djazz: any luck?
[22:57] <MrBIOS> but that's just what was cheapest
[22:57] <steve_rox> im using a standard hcsd cards
[22:57] <AR_> MrBIOS, how much
[22:57] <djazz> trevorman: hmm, netbook sees it
[22:57] <AR_> what size and price
[22:57] <steve_rox> made sence since my digi cam has em
[22:57] <trevorman> djazz: reformat it there
[22:57] <djazz> i can see the boot partition
[22:57] <djazz> yeah
[22:57] <MrBIOS> AR_, it was on sale, think the 16GB card cost me under $20
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[22:57] <FR^2> Hmm. Why is my raspi feeping? :(
[22:57] <MrBIOS> it's a Patriot LX PRO
[22:58] <trevorman> FR^2: feeping?
[22:58] <FR^2> high-pitched noise...
[22:58] <AR_> http://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-16GB-MicroSDHC-Memory-Class/dp/B001F7AJKI
[22:58] <djazz> trevorman: i got this SD card this saturday xD
[22:58] <AR_> $5 for 16gb microSD
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[22:58] <djazz> i got a new pi this friday
[22:58] <FR^2> What phrases could I search the forums for?
[22:58] <trevorman> FR^2: uhhh thats not normal. the rpi itself shouldn't make any noise at all. not intentionally anyway. i'm sure it makes a good bang if you wired it up to your mains supply.
[22:59] <mgottschlag> FR^2: same here
[22:59] <AR_> FR^2, are you sure it is not your AC adapter
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[22:59] <mgottschlag> no idea, I am used to this noise with cheap power supplies, but I can also hear it with the pi
[23:00] <FR^2> AR_: Yes, since the volume and the pitch change depending on the state of the raspi :/
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[23:00] <steve_rox> ive found you can get interfearece thu power supplys that come out the sound of the pi if thats what your on about
[23:00] <djazz> my netbook have two SD card slots, ftw
[23:00] <djazz> AAO A110
[23:00] <steve_rox> sounds overkill :-P
[23:01] <djazz> well one is for storage expansion
[23:01] <steve_rox> ah
[23:01] <djazz> in the OS it came with (Linpus) it got merged with the 8GB SSD
[23:01] <AR_> FR^2, see that capacitor next to power supply?
[23:01] <AR_> the metal can
[23:01] <AR_> see if it is hot/bulging
[23:02] <steve_rox> if so run for it
[23:02] <steve_rox> its gonna vent!
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[23:02] <djazz> LOL laptop still cant detect it :S
[23:02] <djazz> hm
[23:02] <steve_rox> not even assigned a drive letter?
[23:02] <FR^2> Okay, okay, I change the power supply and the sound changed - much lower now, but still not gone.
[23:02] <trevorman> djazz: odd. you got any other cards to test that card reader?
[23:02] <FR^2> AR_: Yes?
[23:02] <djazz> i should try reboot
[23:03] <djazz> i tried another card, nothing happened
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[23:03] <steve_rox> so the card is buggered?
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[23:03] <AR_> FR^2, put your ear up to the cap and see if the noise is coming from there
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[23:04] <steve_rox> cap on my graphics card blew out once during a war game
[23:04] <steve_rox> im like wow that was a loud arty shell
[23:04] <steve_rox> shugged it off and carryed on fighting since it hadent crashed
[23:05] <steve_rox> a day later it refused to start
[23:05] <trevorman> you didn't notice the awful smell?
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[23:05] <steve_rox> i did not
[23:05] <FR^2> AR_: Hmm. Not really. Can't quite make it out, but I will check some more power supplies.
[23:05] <steve_rox> maybe there was not one
[23:05] <steve_rox> but the X on top the caps were open
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[23:05] <trevorman> hm. usually electrolytic caps blowing leaves a really bad smell
[23:05] <djazz> now laptop sees it... hmmm
[23:06] <trevorman> guess it had vented most of it already
[23:06] <djazz> ubuntu is full of bugs, but this?
[23:06] <steve_rox> the card is a AGP anyways so it may of been age
[23:06] <trevorman> djazz: odd
[23:06] <AR_> burning electrolyte
[23:06] <AR_> delicious
[23:06] <steve_rox> anyone want a AGP graphics card? caps slightly vented ;-)
[23:06] <djazz> trevorman: i had it in the sleep mode but, nothing else weird
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[23:07] <AR_> steve_rox, why not just replace them
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[23:07] <steve_rox> its agp
[23:07] <steve_rox> no reasion to
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[23:08] <trevorman> steve_rox: there was a case of industrial espionage regarding the electrolyte inside those caps. somebody stole an incomplete formula and some companies started using it. it was missing some component that would stabilise it over time. oops...
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[23:08] <steve_rox> i read about that :-)
[23:09] <steve_rox> it made them blow out very fast
[23:09] <trevorman> yeah
[23:09] <steve_rox> kinda good for ppl that know how to solder and find hardware on ebay fallen victim to it ,sold for spares
[23:09] <steve_rox> but a lot of ppl have hooked into that high risk game now
[23:10] <steve_rox> not allways the caps
[23:10] <trevorman> yeah. loads of perfectly good electronics was dumped because of the caps which you could fairly easily replace.
[23:11] <steve_rox> i once got this lcd display dumped in the trash , dient work but changed caps and its working great
[23:11] <steve_rox> assholes had scratched the screen up tho
[23:11] <steve_rox> but it serves as a backup
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[23:12] <AR_> crt
[23:12] <steve_rox> i put the pi on it with a hdmi dvi adapter
[23:12] <AR_> i wish the pi had nothing but USB and GPIO with UART
[23:13] <steve_rox> might make it cheaper
[23:13] <steve_rox> but manufacturering more than one design probly increases costs
[23:13] <AR_> video and sound out are waste of space
[23:13] <AR_> hdmi is arguable but IMO waste of space
[23:14] <AR_> GPU is waste of space
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[23:14] <AR_> decrease GPU increase core size
[23:14] <SSilver2k2> lo all
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[23:16] <steve_rox> the gpu is intergrated into the primary chip right?
[23:16] <AR_> yes
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[23:16] <AR_> the SoC
[23:17] <steve_rox> so you should just de solder the hdmi port to recover the space
[23:17] <AR_> i am
[23:17] <djazz> any difference between the soc on rev1 to rev2?
[23:17] <kayo> it's true that microsd with adapter wont work?
[23:17] <djazz> will overclocking work better on rev2?
[23:17] <AR_> it works kayo
[23:17] <steve_rox> i dout theres a difference in main chip
[23:17] <trevorman> kayo: no
[23:17] <trevorman> djazz: no
[23:18] <steve_rox> the board is essentialy the same with a few tweaks on it
[23:18] <kayo> AR_, trevorman thanks
[23:18] <steve_rox> probly tweaks the end user of a rev1 could do
[23:18] <djazz> except that it says "Samsung" on the top
[23:18] <steve_rox> such as the usb fix
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[23:18] <trevorman> djazz: its random whether you get hynix or samsung ram
[23:19] <trevorman> the specs of the RAM are identical however. same timings etc...
[23:19] <djazz> ah, its just the ram?
[23:19] <djazz> the cpu is below?
[23:19] <trevorman> yes
[23:19] <djazz> ah
[23:19] <trevorman> look at it side on
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[23:19] <trevorman> you can see its two distinct layers with a very small gap inbetween
[23:20] <kayo> nice, i see that
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[23:21] <djazz> yea
[23:21] <trevorman> the SoC + RAM hasn't changed at all between r1 and r2
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[23:22] <djazz> what overclock option do you recommend for quake 3?
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[23:22] <djazz> Medium crashed for me
[23:22] <steve_rox> dident it kill your card too?
[23:22] <djazz> yea
[23:22] <djazz> but i have used 900/450 before
[23:23] <djazz> Medium is 950/450 + 2 overvolt
[23:23] <djazz> i think
[23:23] <steve_rox> whats the manufacture of card?
[23:23] <djazz> SanDisk
[23:23] <[SLB]> 900/333/450/2
[23:23] <djazz> ok, written the new Raspbian on it
[23:23] <djazz> lets boot
[23:23] <steve_rox> odd
[23:24] <steve_rox> sandisk usually higher quality/
[23:24] <steve_rox> ?
[23:24] <djazz> i had to format it
[23:24] <djazz> laptop was being weird and didnt detect it
[23:24] <djazz> a reboot fixed that
[23:24] <steve_rox> so now the card lives?
[23:24] <djazz> yes
[23:24] <steve_rox> yay
[23:24] <steve_rox> pi scare over
[23:25] <kim-jong> sandisk is the best
[23:25] <kim-jong> also for mp3 players & the like
[23:25] <djazz> i got class 10 8GB
[23:25] * C-M (~c_m@wikimedia/C-M) Quit (Quit: Leaving...)
[23:26] <steve_rox> i think i may have to buy more cards
[23:26] <steve_rox> simply since my digital cam has 0 cards now
[23:27] <trevorman> djazz: its all dependant on your specific rpi. some may go all the way to 1ghz whilst others will top out at around 800mhz. you just have to try it.
[23:27] <djazz> ok
[23:27] <trevorman> 800mhz seems to be achievable by all RPis without needing to overvolt. anything past that is luck of the draw.
[23:27] <djazz> im using the rev1 board from china atm
[23:27] <djazz> 900/450 is no problem too
[23:28] <djazz> should i use rpi-update or does apt-get upgrade do that?
[23:29] <djazz> stuff
[23:29] <djazz> firmware
[23:29] <kim-jong> srsly, i never had rpi-update
[23:29] <[SLB]> you may have to wait for months to have in the repos an update version of the kernel/firmware
[23:30] <[SLB]> rpi-update updates more frequently
[23:30] <[SLB]> week or even daily at times
[23:30] <djazz> i had to do rpi-update twice one day to get my wlan dongle working :S
[23:30] <SSilver2k2> my RS Pi can barely work at 800mhz. my element14 pi overclocks no issue at 900mhz. I'm really excited to try this new image out
[23:30] <djazz> it worked just fine on my other rpi
[23:31] * Hoppo (~johnhopki@host86-151-243-148.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) Quit (Quit: Hoppo)
[23:32] <trevorman> I think AC`97 has the record (least thats what he claims :D) for overclocking so far but he's got a massive heatsink + fan on his RPi
[23:32] <AR_> i overclocked to 1.8Ghz with my Rpi in a circulating mineral oil bath
[23:33] <[SLB]> said who were talking about burning pi's :D
[23:33] <AC`97> pew pew pew~
[23:33] <MrBIOS> AR_ for reals?
[23:34] <AC`97> ^ lol
[23:34] <MrBIOS> I have a server-class ARM part on my desk here at work
[23:34] <MrBIOS> Marvell reference board, lots of PCIe
[23:34] <AC`97> i have one on my shelf
[23:34] <AC`97> 1.2GHz, heh..
[23:34] <AR_> why are you at work it is 5:30
[23:34] <AC`97> no it's 2:30
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[23:34] <AC`97> or uh.. 14:30
[23:34] <[SLB]> nah it's 23.30
[23:34] <djazz> 23:32...
[23:34] * kayo (~kayo@opensuse/member/kayohf) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:34] <AC`97> your clocks are off
[23:35] <[SLB]> lol
[23:35] <djazz> ._.
[23:35] <AC`97> mine is too
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[23:35] <AC`97> 19 Sep 14:32:42 ntpdate[25108]: step time server 198.123.30.132 offset 75.198028 sec
[23:35] <AC`97> doh.
[23:35] * djazz copies quake3 from my other rpi sd card
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[23:36] <djazz> 3 Mb/s :D
[23:36] <AR_> do you know if you put an SD card on top of another and place a strong magnet on top it will copy the bottom card onto the top card
[23:36] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt
[23:36] <[diecast]> ha
[23:36] <djazz> yeaaah.....
[23:37] <djazz> do you know how you copy HDD? use magnet and ...
[23:37] <djazz> ????
[23:37] <djazz> profit!
[23:37] <[SLB]> lol
[23:37] * djazz tries Quake3 on Medium OC
[23:38] <djazz> lol
[23:38] <djazz> sound just sparks in the speakers
[23:38] <djazz> noise
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[23:39] <djazz> restarted quake, sound is on like 0.1%
[23:39] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
[23:40] <BCMM> AR_: i hope that isn't supposed to be like one of those "format c:" jokes
[23:40] <BCMM> because and SD card really won't care...
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[23:40] <BCMM> s/and/an/
[23:40] <AC`97> BCMM: hard drives will care :D
[23:40] <AC`97> ????
[23:40] <AC`97> profit!
[23:40] <AC`97> ... for the data recovery folks
[23:42] <AC`97> also, the temperature reading is terribly inaccurate :|
[23:42] <AC`97> http://ffauploads.com/td.png
[23:43] <AC`97> numbers on bottom is (seconds elapsed)/2
[23:43] <trevorman> +/- 1C or maybe 0.5C I guess
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[23:43] <AC`97> near the end i did a "nice yes BABY YES > /dev/null"
[23:44] <AC`97> trevorman: it's more than 1C :|
[23:44] <AC`97> almost 2C
[23:44] <AC`97> ot at least over 1.5C
[23:44] <AC`97> or*
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[23:45] * djazz will try high... rebooting
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[23:46] <Phoon> Could someone help me figure out why the display_rotate= option in config.txt doesn't seem to be doing anything?
[23:46] <trevorman> AC`97: ah. guess it isn't just a case of calibrating it then as it seems to jump between readings quite a lot on your one
[23:46] <AC`97> indeed :|
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[23:46] <Phoon> I've set it to 1 and to 2 and in neither case does the composite output change.
[23:46] <AC`97> trevorman: needs some srs averaging
[23:46] <djazz> wow, quake is much smoother now
[23:46] <kayo> how to know if my board is ok? only starting some system? if i plug it on power, i only see red led.
[23:46] <AC`97> Phoon: did you uncomment the option? XD
[23:47] <kayo> no system on sd
[23:47] <Phoon> AC`97: It wasn't present, so I added it.
[23:47] <AC`97> kayo: board is okay. sd card probably not.
[23:47] <kayo> AC`97, ok
[23:47] <AC`97> kayo: bright red led, dim green led.
[23:47] <AC`97> (or, VERY dim green led)
[23:47] <djazz> AAAAAnndd there it reboots
[23:47] <kayo> yeah
[23:47] <kayo> just like that
[23:47] <djazz> atleast filesystem isnt corrupt
[23:47] <AC`97> djazz: you'll never know until you md5 everything >:D
[23:48] <djazz> ;)
[23:48] <scummos> md5 sucks
[23:48] * kayo (~kayo@opensuse/member/kayohf) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[23:48] <scummos> ;P
[23:48] <djazz> well, atleast filesystem exist!
[23:48] <Phoon> AC`97: I know config.txt is being read because my overscan settings are in effect
[23:48] <djazz> in Turbo it wont even boot
[23:49] <[SLB]> lower only the ram from turbo, it may boot
[23:49] <djazz> SDRAM?
[23:49] <[SLB]> yes
[23:49] <djazz> to 400?
[23:49] <djazz> or 250?
[23:49] <[SLB]> yes try
[23:49] <[SLB]> 400 first
[23:51] <AC`97> Phoon: have you tried different memory/banana splits?
[23:51] <djazz> [SLB]: it booted
[23:51] <[SLB]> nice
[23:51] * djazz tries quake muhahaha
[23:51] <[SLB]> lol
[23:51] <Phoon> AC`97: Not yet
[23:52] <djazz> boom, crashed right when i started a game
[23:52] <Phoon> AC`97: just went from 128 to 224 and still no worky
[23:52] <Phoon> ... is it possible that it only rotates HDMI output?
[23:53] <djazz> hmm
[23:54] <djazz> it seeems like my quake config file got wiped
[23:54] <djazz> XD
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[23:56] <scummos> how disastrous
[23:56] <djazz> where is that wifi manager ?
[23:56] <djazz> it said its included
[23:56] <scummos> there's like 20
[23:57] <scummos> try nm-applet or so
[23:57] <djazz> hm, found wpa_gui
[23:57] <djazz> in Other
[23:57] <djazz> scummos: preinstalled?
[23:57] <djazz> i prefer wicd, it got a CLI
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[23:58] <steve_rox> hmm i better give my pi a display and see if anything differs in X
[23:58] <scummos> djazz: not sure
[23:58] <djazz> the wpa_gui looks like a Win98 app
[23:58] <scummos> install it on the sdcard using chmod :D
[23:58] <djazz> and balloon popups aka WinXP
[23:58] <scummos> that's because it's gtk3 and you have no gtk theme set
[23:58] <djazz> lol
[23:59] <djazz> it looks ancient xD
[23:59] <scummos> s/chmod/chroot
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[23:59] <scummos> djazz: gtk3 is pretty modern it's just the theme that looks ancient
[23:59] <djazz> yea i know

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