#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-09-20

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <djazz> ah, they put a shortcut to wifi config on desktop XD
[0:00] <djazz> im blind
[0:02] <scummos> lol
[0:07] <steve_rox> wish this bloody tv could switch to composite feed without needing a remote , rawrr
[0:07] <djazz> nautilus dont want to connect to it using sftp... but on my netbook it works
[0:07] <steve_rox> yay for windows mobile 2003 PDA with IR sender
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[0:09] <steve_rox> we need someone to code us a appature science screen saver for the pi
[0:09] <steve_rox> sure it rapes cpu but who cares
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[0:11] <steve_rox> how does one access this wifi management tool? i must be blind or something
[0:11] <djazz> steve_rox: under Internet
[0:11] <djazz> or on desktop
[0:11] <Caleb> AC`97: hows it going
[0:11] <djazz> if its a new image
[0:12] <steve_rox> its not there
[0:12] <djazz> sudo apt-get install wpa_gui?
[0:12] <djazz> idk
[0:12] <AC`97> Caleb: ??
[0:12] <djazz> dist-upgrade, dunno?
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[0:12] <AC`97> Caleb: y so stalky??
[0:12] <steve_rox> no idea
[0:12] <[SLB]> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=17788
[0:12] <Caleb> AC`97: lol i didnt ask where you lived now did I
[0:12] <Caleb> haha
[0:13] <AC`97> :D
[0:13] <[SLB]> sudo apt-get install wpagui
[0:14] <Caleb> im ready for my keyboard to get here
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[0:14] <AC`97> ????
[0:14] <AC`97> Caleb: you don't need keyboard for RPi.
[0:16] * Caleb (~archdemon@archlinux/op/caleb) Quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9-rc1)
[0:16] <[diecast]> heh
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[0:18] <enricov> I am running raspbian and this was actually a very easy wlan setup http://elinux.org/RPi_Ralink_WLAN_devices
[0:19] <enricov> if you don't want to use the gui
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[0:19] <misterhat> hey so
[0:19] <misterhat> on the fist boot
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[0:20] <misterhat> does it just sit there with pwr light for a few mins
[0:20] <misterhat> b4 doing anything else?
[0:20] <Caleb> see anything on the screen?
[0:20] <misterhat> no
[0:20] <misterhat> i hooked it up via composite
[0:21] <misterhat> the PWR led is red and OK is green
[0:21] <misterhat> and been like this for few mins
[0:21] <misterhat> maybe 3
[0:21] <steve_rox> sure its not switching to hdmi?
[0:21] <Caleb> can you try hdmi
[0:21] <misterhat> yeah i guess
[0:21] <misterhat> can i unplug it
[0:21] <Caleb> sure
[0:21] <misterhat> kk
[0:21] <AC`97> green shouldn't stay on for long
[0:21] <misterhat> it's the "OK" green
[0:22] <misterhat> it's dim tho
[0:22] <AC`97> very dim?
[0:22] <AC`97> that means it didn't boot.
[0:22] <misterhat> oh
[0:22] <misterhat> lame
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[0:22] <misterhat> i'll try resetting
[0:22] <misterhat> then try HDMI
[0:22] <AC`97> try doing the card over again
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[0:23] <AC`97> misterhat: you DO have a correctly-made card in there, right?
[0:23] <AC`97> it's required.
[0:23] <misterhat> yeah
[0:23] <misterhat> i burned the image using dd
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[0:23] <misterhat> to 8gb FAT32 card
[0:23] <AC`97> what command did you use?
[0:24] <misterhat> sudo dd bs=1M if=2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/sdd1
[0:24] <AC`97> hopefully not of=/dev/sdx1 ?
[0:24] <AC`97> lol
[0:24] <Caleb> lol
[0:24] <Caleb> exactly
[0:24] <AC`97> there goes problem.
[0:24] <Caleb> sdd not sdd1
[0:24] <misterhat> na
[0:24] <misterhat> i did dd -h
[0:24] <misterhat> and it showed up there
[0:24] <misterhat> as sdd1
[0:24] <misterhat> 8gb
[0:24] <misterhat> /dev/sdd1 7.5G 4.0K 7.5G 1% /media/FB28-07F3
[0:24] <misterhat> when it was mounted
[0:24] <Caleb> yeah but you still do sdd
[0:24] <[SLB]> sdd yea
[0:25] <misterhat> oh
[0:25] <misterhat> the wiki said otherwsie
[0:25] <misterhat> otherwise*
[0:25] <AC`97> you just copied an image of a whole card (with its own partition(s)) into a partition
[0:25] <[SLB]> the image contains multiple partitions
[0:25] <misterhat> kk
[0:25] <misterhat> so reformat the SD card
[0:25] <[SLB]> so you write to the device node
[0:25] <misterhat> and try again with "sdd"
[0:25] <AC`97> no need to reformat first
[0:25] <[SLB]> ^
[0:25] <misterhat> k don't reformat
[0:25] <misterhat> and just sdd
[0:25] <AC`97> yep.
[0:25] <[SLB]> sdd is the device, not the dd command :p
[0:25] <steve_rox> is there a cmd to list all connected usb devices?
[0:25] <misterhat> the guide was pretty explicit tho
[0:25] <AC`97> make sure sdd is your card and not your movie/music/backup drive XD
[0:26] <AC`97> steve_rox: lsusb
[0:26] <misterhat> well sdd1 was my card
[0:26] <steve_rox> thanks
[0:26] <AC`97> sdd1 was a partition on your card
[0:26] <misterhat> oh
[0:26] <misterhat> ohh
[0:26] <Caleb> sdd is the card
[0:26] <misterhat> k
[0:26] <misterhat> not automounting now
[0:26] <misterhat> hold on
[0:26] <misterhat> ic what u mean tho
[0:26] <misterhat> yeh
[0:26] <misterhat> i see it under /dev/sdd
[0:27] <steve_rox> sytax errors everwheres
[0:27] <misterhat> thanks guys
[0:27] <misterhat> trying again :P
[0:27] <AC`97> (:
[0:27] <misterhat> i hope it works via composite
[0:27] <misterhat> cuz then i'd have to move like another 10ft
[0:27] <misterhat> for hdmi
[0:28] <steve_rox> well according to this usb detection cmd it has not found my keyboard or wifi adapter
[0:29] <thrawed> steve_rox: fancy keyboard?
[0:29] * swo0osh (~bigman@71-88-16-43.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:29] <steve_rox> just a wireless one
[0:29] <steve_rox> works fine on the pi
[0:29] <misterhat> what does show up
[0:29] <misterhat> for lsusb
[0:29] <misterhat> might have a dumb name
[0:29] <steve_rox> erm
[0:29] <AC`97> steve_rox: does "dmesg" show anything interesting?
[0:29] <linuxstb> misterhat: What guide told you to write the image to sdd1?
[0:29] <steve_rox> searching command
[0:29] <steve_rox> dmesg shows a lot of crap
[0:30] <misterhat> linuxstb: it wasn't sdd1 specifically, i must have just assumed to write to partition
[0:30] <misterhat> sawry
[0:30] <Caleb> steve_rox: what did lsusb say
[0:31] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[0:31] <steve_rox> 4 items
[0:31] <Caleb> past one
[0:31] <steve_rox> linux foundation root hub...
[0:32] <misterhat> oh
[0:32] <misterhat> that means it's a virus
[0:32] <steve_rox> standard microsystems corp x2
[0:32] <AC`97> steve_rox: "dmesg | grep usb"
[0:32] <misterhat> :P jk
[0:32] <steve_rox> then a device with no name
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[0:32] <steve_rox> i may be a linux noob but im not that noob
[0:33] <steve_rox> whats next you gona tell me to find and delete win.ini of it?
[0:33] <misterhat> :P
[0:33] <misterhat> OK
[0:33] <misterhat> it burned successfully
[0:33] <misterhat> a second time
[0:33] <misterhat> now let's try this
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[0:33] <steve_rox> burned?
[0:33] <misterhat> written
[0:34] <misterhat> burned
[0:34] <misterhat> w/e
[0:34] <steve_rox> written
[0:34] <IT_Sean> written
[0:34] <AC`97> written
[0:34] <steve_rox> it dont have a cdrw drive
[0:34] <IT_Sean> written
[0:34] <misterhat> yaa
[0:34] <misterhat> it worked
[0:34] <thrawed> written
[0:35] <steve_rox> maybe this pi just doeetn like this addaper
[0:35] <steve_rox> you try typeing on a eepc900
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[0:36] <Caleb> written
[0:36] <steve_rox> the wifi adapter may be dead hmm
[0:37] <Caleb> try it in a computer
[0:37] <misterhat> alright well
[0:37] <misterhat> on the initial boot menu
[0:37] <misterhat> selected resize then finish
[0:37] <steve_rox> yeah i just tryed it on two eeepc
[0:38] <misterhat> now it's doing the resize so i'll wait
[0:38] <misterhat> :P
[0:38] <steve_rox> first one ignores it the other says unable to identify it or some crap
[0:38] <steve_rox> usb device not recognized
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[0:39] <Caleb> what kind of wifi dongle is it
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[0:39] <steve_rox> some tiny micro one i got from saverstore.com
[0:39] <steve_rox> hence i cant see any branding on it
[0:39] * manitou (~manitou@unaffiliated/manitou) Quit (Client Quit)
[0:39] <steve_rox> which makes things more exsiteing
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[0:40] <Caleb> exciting?
[0:40] <steve_rox> as i said
[0:40] <steve_rox> try to type with this keyboard at speed
[0:41] * Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk
[0:42] <Caleb> what kind is it
[0:42] <steve_rox> eeepc900
[0:42] <Caleb> oh god
[0:42] <steve_rox> and many defects have krept in
[0:42] <steve_rox> lucky im using it for RDP
[0:43] <steve_rox> or it may be completely useless
[0:43] <steve_rox> i better try dig out another wifi adapter
[0:43] <misterhat> nice
[0:43] <misterhat> it works
[0:43] <misterhat> :D
[0:44] <misterhat> with lxde :P
[0:44] <misterhat> composite's got terrible res on this ancient tv
[0:44] <misterhat> not surprised
[0:44] <steve_rox> you know to give a xbox 360 wifi it costs like 4-5 times more than to do the pi
[0:44] <Caleb> lol which is retarded
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[0:45] <Caleb> it should have had wifi when it was released but leave it up to ms to milk you for more money
[0:45] <steve_rox> netgear released this small device which looked like a router but it was like a cat5 to wifi
[0:46] <steve_rox> so it could do it for fraction of cost
[0:46] <steve_rox> i couldent get it to work with the pi tho
[0:46] <trevorman> eh. all console accessories are overpriced
[0:46] <steve_rox> dhcp on it is not givein ip's
[0:46] <trevorman> odd
[0:46] <steve_rox> its the way the scumbags work lately
[0:47] <steve_rox> dirt cheap console but accessorys cost a bomb
[0:47] <steve_rox> like that new sony portable they got
[0:47] <steve_rox> gotta make up for the losses on the ps3 i guess
[0:48] <steve_rox> dirty blueray format war sacrifiice did not pay off
[0:48] <Caleb> what?
[0:48] <Caleb> psvita is the new handheld
[0:48] <Caleb> its nice
[0:48] <Caleb> but imo still too much
[0:49] <steve_rox> wonder if sony still make a loss on every console they sell
[0:49] <Caleb> youd think not seeing they made em smaller but what do i know
[0:49] <Caleb> they just released a smaller slim
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[0:49] <Caleb> so sounds like they might be trying to make it cheaper to make
[0:49] <steve_rox> nah thats just the market hype "ooooh smaller cuter more desireable"
[0:50] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[0:50] <steve_rox> damn apple and their crap have damaged the tech industry so bad
[0:50] <steve_rox> hello
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[0:51] <Caleb> hello gordonDrogon
[0:51] <steve_rox> i got a gp32 hand held here ;-)
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[0:51] <Caleb> what is it?
[0:52] <steve_rox> a somewhat rare hand held
[0:52] <steve_rox> open source thing
[0:52] <Caleb> ahh thats what i thought
[0:52] <steve_rox> takes mmc memory cards
[0:52] <Caleb> ever use it?
[0:52] <steve_rox> not now
[0:52] <steve_rox> its just sat there
[0:52] <Caleb> sold it?
[0:52] <steve_rox> did have linux on it once
[0:53] <steve_rox> sept the lack of keyboard lacked sudo commads
[0:53] <Caleb> would be fun
[0:53] <steve_rox> commands
[0:53] <steve_rox> i have it here
[0:53] <Caleb> send it to me
[0:53] <Caleb> haha
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[0:53] <steve_rox> why what ya gonna do to it :-P
[0:54] <steve_rox> got a very good sega emulator on it
[0:54] <steve_rox> plays most roms
[0:54] <steve_rox> very smooth
[0:54] <Caleb> ill use it for that then seeing you dont play with it
[0:54] <Caleb> haha
[0:54] <steve_rox> now that over volt/OC is legal on the pi i wanna try get sonic smooth on that to
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[0:55] <Caleb> i saw where the guy said overclocking was good overvolting was bad
[0:55] <steve_rox> well theres supposibly some turbo mode now
[0:55] <steve_rox> may be interesting
[0:56] <Caleb> hmm
[0:56] <Caleb> maybe
[0:56] <megatog615> how do i get raspi-config?
[0:56] <steve_rox> and i think my warrenty will be gone since i accedently smashed the sd reader
[0:56] <megatog615> i've been using a raspbian install since before it became the official distro
[0:56] <steve_rox> type sudo at start
[0:56] <megatog615> and i dont think i have it
[0:56] <steve_rox> sudo raspi-config
[0:57] <megatog615> steve_rox: i dont have it
[0:57] <steve_rox> odd
[0:57] <linuxstb> WHen you first started Raspbian, did a configuration menu come up?
[0:57] <megatog615> it was not introduced until raspbian became the official distro
[0:58] <megatog615> i have been using raspbian since before that
[0:58] <megatog615> therefor, i dont have it
[0:58] <linuxstb> apt-get install raspi-config then?
[0:58] <megatog615> how can i get it?
[0:58] <megatog615> linuxstb: there is no such package
[0:58] <linuxstb> Have you done apt-get update?
[0:59] <linuxstb> Here is my /etc/apt/sources.list file:
[0:59] <linuxstb> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
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[0:59] <steve_rox> hunting for spare wifi adapter
[0:59] <megatog615> linuxstb: what is the difference between archive and mirrordirector?
[1:00] <linuxstb> No idea.
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[1:00] <linuxstb> I installed from the 16th August image, and that's the sources list that it came with.
[1:00] <megatog615> i'll switch to that, and add rpi
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[1:04] <TheEmpath> hi. whats the preferred flavor of linux to use with a raspberry pi?
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[1:04] <megatog615> TheEmpath: raspbian
[1:04] <TheEmpath> neato
[1:04] <TheEmpath> i just bought one and im curious about a few things??? the low ram is a problem, but??? if you could connect two of them together via HDMI and use that as a way to share ram
[1:04] <TheEmpath> lol?
[1:05] <chithead> the official recommendation is raspbian, for different purposes exist different distros http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
[1:05] <chithead> hdmi is an output, not an input
[1:05] <TheEmpath> d'aawwww
[1:05] <TheEmpath> my dreams have been stepped on :(
[1:05] <TheEmpath> then RAM through LAN it is!
[1:06] <chithead> swap over nfs is possible but has some drawbacks
[1:06] <TheEmpath> true
[1:07] <TheEmpath> i can't run a server in my house.. the electricity is wonky.. but i cluster a few of these guys together and I think i can pull it off!
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[1:08] <megatog615> chithead: not if the hdmi has ethernet
[1:08] <gordonDrogon> you could use a UPS... I do. I have several...
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[1:08] <megatog615> chithead: then again the pi doesnt support hdmi ethernet
[1:08] <gordonDrogon> you could always just put swap on the local SD card and not run applications that need more than a trivial amount...
[1:09] <TheEmpath> so if you buy the board only??? is there additional IC/soldering required?
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> that works for me...
[1:09] <megatog615> TheEmpath: nfs is actually not supported on the pi
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> nfs works on my Pi's quite well.
[1:09] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: it was enabled?
[1:09] <megatog615> afaik it can't export
[1:09] <megatog615> but it can mount just fine
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[1:09] <gordonDrogon> it's a Linux box. IT can do anything most other Linux boxes do.
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> apt-get install kernel-nfs-server
[1:10] <gordonDrogon> I did cimpile my own kernel though.
[1:10] <megatog615> :/
[1:10] <megatog615> thats what i mean
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[1:10] <Caleb> gordonDrogon: how long did that take
[1:10] <megatog615> last i checked the official kernels dont have the nfs modules
[1:10] <gordonDrogon> a shade over 2 hours on a pi. 2 minutes of my desktop.
[1:11] <IT_Sean> TheEmpath, if you are referring to the Pi board... you cannot purchase a bare board and assemble it yourself. It is not available in 'kit' form.
[1:11] <gordonDrogon> exporting via nfs isn't something I'd normally consider though.
[1:11] <Caleb> gordonDrogon: sounds fun
[1:11] <gordonDrogon> not on a Pi anyway.
[1:11] <angasule> uh, weird, I can ping my raspi, nmap shows sshd is open, but when I try to ssh, it just... doesn't do anything, it's like it's waiting for something, I don't get connection rejected
[1:11] <gordonDrogon> keep waiting - it might connect in in about 30 seconds if it's waiting for DNS.
[1:12] <TheEmpath> IT_Sean: I see. The site I bought it from say "board only" but it showed a picture of all of the I/O already attached. I assumed it was like an arturio
[1:12] <Caleb> angasule: how are you sshing in like what commands? and i notice mine can take a lil time to connect
[1:12] <Caleb> but not an extreme amount
[1:12] <gordonDrogon> TheEmpath, which site?
[1:12] <IT_Sean> TheEmpath, yeah, i'm guessing "board only" meant no accessories. It is not avail in kit form.
[1:12] <angasule> Caleb: ssh <username@ip>
[1:12] <IT_Sean> the soldering is far too fiddily to do by hand, and you cannot source the SoC by itself.
[1:12] <TheEmpath> gordonDrogon: http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?id=83T1943&Ntt=83T1943&
[1:12] <Caleb> angasule: looks good to me
[1:13] <angasule> Caleb: yeah, but it doesn't do anything, ssh just waits...
[1:13] <gordonDrogon> TheEmpath, ah right. description is confusing. Yes, the mean fully assembled board only - ie. no case, no sd card, no cables, etc.
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[1:13] <TheEmpath> thats fine
[1:13] <TheEmpath> thanks!
[1:13] <Caleb> angasule: how long do you wait
[1:13] <angasule> raspi is not doable by hand, those tiny SMT... I've soldered SMT but that's just insane
[1:14] <angasule> Caleb: a minute?
[1:14] <Caleb> shouldnt take that long
[1:14] <angasule> let me check what it says, the pi is in the next room, I have a TV there, but I don't have a USB keyboard
[1:15] <angasule> oh, shoot, it says it detected an aborted journal (ext4 fs) and it remounted read-only
[1:15] <gordonDrogon> that won't help...
[1:16] <angasule> uh, it responded now
[1:16] <angasule> asked me to add the fingerprint, then the password... it's just terribly slow
[1:16] <Caleb> yeah
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[1:17] <angasule> I guess I'll just run fsck on the SD card...
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[1:18] <angasule> I've been told pulling the plug is an easy way to kill the filesystem? or is that with certain fss?
[1:18] <Caleb> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1595569/TNT/PiBook2.jpg
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[1:18] <Caleb> using a motorola lapdock
[1:18] <TheEmpath> lol
[1:18] <angasule> neat :)
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[1:19] <Caleb> yeah a guy in another network did that
[1:19] <chithead> angasule: sd cards might not support write barriers, so if you have write cache enabled, power loss can lead to filesystem corruption
[1:19] <TheEmpath> don't most SD cards have a limited number of writes?
[1:19] <acemo> ok.. so i just accidently connected a gpio pin (out) -> 220 ohm resistor -> led -> 5 volt instead of gpio (out) -> 220 ohm resistor -> led -> ground..
[1:19] <chithead> yes, but that number is so high that it doesn't matter in practice
[1:20] <megatog615> yay
[1:20] <megatog615> with turbo mode i have a reason to attach a heatsink!
[1:20] <chithead> fortunately the d in led stands for diode
[1:20] <BCMM> TheEmpath: do they do wear-levelling?
[1:20] <Caleb> megatog615: whats this turbomode im hearing about
[1:21] <TheEmpath> BCMM: I dunno :O
[1:21] <megatog615> Caleb: dynamic overclocking based on temperature
[1:21] <acemo> chithead: was that towards me?
[1:21] <chithead> Caleb: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
[1:21] <chithead> acemo: yes
[1:21] <megatog615> Caleb: it even overvolts without voiding the warrenty
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[1:22] <Caleb> very nice
[1:22] <Caleb> megatog615: can you tell a difference?
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[1:24] <megatog615> Caleb: i need to test it first
[1:24] <megatog615> anyone know what package provides /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/rsh?
[1:24] <acemo> chithead: im afraid i did kind of kill the gpio pins though..
[1:24] <djazz> Caleb: i tried Quake in Medium, it runs faster
[1:25] <djazz> it crashes on High, and i cant boot on Turbo
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[1:26] <Caleb> heh
[1:26] <Caleb> djazz: and this is just on which distro?
[1:26] <djazz> Raspbian, downloaded the 18th sep iso
[1:27] <trevorman> acemo: the GPIO pin is completely dead? :|
[1:27] <Caleb> djazz: got ya i have raspxbmc installed
[1:27] <djazz> High mode managed to corrupt my filesystem, when it crashed while quake
[1:27] <djazz> so i had to reflash it
[1:27] <Caleb> raspian would be worth install thought
[1:27] <Caleb> thought
[1:27] <Caleb> installing
[1:27] <Caleb> cant type
[1:28] <djazz> i tried Raspbmc some days ago, seems slow
[1:28] <acemo> trevorman: its kinda weird.. i have this chip to up the voltage from a gpio pin to 5 volt to activate a relay.. before i mis connected the stuff with the led on gpio pin 7, i could flip on and off pin 3 and hear the relay go on and off
[1:28] <djazz> navigating menus
[1:28] <Caleb> djazz: it is
[1:29] <megatog615> anyone know what package provides /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/rsh?
[1:29] <djazz> and I couldnt open Raspbmc settings
[1:29] <djazz> smth about a script not found
[1:29] <acemo> trevorman: that doesn't happens anymore.. but when i put power on and off the pi, i can now hear the relay
[1:29] <Caleb> djazz: i opened em no problem
[1:29] <Caleb> but with this turbo mode i think i can ditch raspxbmc
[1:30] <djazz> i tried the wifi-addon, couldnt connect to any wifi
[1:30] <trevorman> acemo: hm. thats not a good sign.
[1:30] <Caleb> djazz: not worried about wifi because my rotuer is right beside where ill have the pi
[1:31] <misterhat> right
[1:31] <misterhat> so what's this "Couldn't find matching GLX visual"
[1:31] <misterhat> error i get when running mednafen
[1:31] <djazz> Caleb, yeah me too. but if i had a TV and wanted it there
[1:31] <acemo> trevorman: was afraid so :P
[1:32] <Caleb> djazz: does raspian come with xbmc or do i just install it
[1:32] <djazz> idk
[1:32] <djazz> its not preinstalled atleast
[1:32] <Caleb> ahh didnt think so
[1:33] <Caleb> i guess i could always use mplayer haha
[1:33] <megatog615> can someone pastebin their /usr/lib/dpkg/alternatives/rsh file from their pi(running raspbian, i hope)?
[1:33] <djazz> also, it needs hw-accel, idk if the package in the repos are made for the pi
[1:33] <megatog615> i am attempted to revert a corrupted file
[1:33] <megatog615> and i need a good one
[1:33] <megatog615> luckily it is just a text file
[1:34] <djazz> megatog615: I dont have such file
[1:34] <megatog615> djazz: it is created by the openssh-client package, i think
[1:34] <Caleb> djazz: you mean mplayer?
[1:35] <djazz> Caleb: omxplayer
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[1:35] <megatog615> gordonDrogon: can you help me?
[1:35] <Caleb> djazz: is that what i should be using?
[1:35] <djazz> Caleb: http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC
[1:35] <djazz> ;)
[1:35] <Caleb> thanks
[1:35] <Caleb> hehe
[1:35] <Caleb> that will help
[1:36] <djazz> seems like a lot of work
[1:36] <Caleb> indeed
[1:36] <Caleb> well i can find something else to play the videos
[1:36] <Caleb> heh
[1:37] <cerjam> erm
[1:37] <cerjam> omxplayer?
[1:37] <djazz> omxplayer is what Raspbmc uses
[1:37] <djazz> to play video
[1:37] <[SLB]> y u no install .deb from here https://github.com/RB-tomaz/xbmc-rdp-tomaz
[1:37] <djazz> its a standalone video/audio player with HW-decoding
[1:37] <cerjam> i wouldnt know, ive never got that to install correctly!
[1:38] <djazz> Raspbmc?
[1:38] <cerjam> yep
[1:38] <djazz> flash the 50 Mb .img and let it install over network
[1:38] <djazz> done?
[1:38] <cerjam> my network is 20kb/s
[1:38] <misterhat> k
[1:38] <djazz> gg
[1:38] <misterhat> so do i need to install a gfx driver or something
[1:38] <misterhat> opengl isn't working
[1:39] <cerjam> i don't have achoice in my internet speed, i dont control my phone company
[1:39] <cerjam> i just know i cant stop tinkering for that long =(
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[1:41] <megatog615> ugh
[1:41] <megatog615> does anyone know what package provides raspi-config?
[1:43] <djazz> raspi-config is a package
[1:44] <misterhat> so does opengl not work?
[1:44] <megatog615> are you sure you have no other files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
[1:44] <djazz> apt-cache search raspi-config
[1:44] <djazz> raspi-config - Simple configuration for Raspberry Pi
[1:45] <djazz> i have raspi.list
[1:45] <djazz> deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ wheezy main
[1:45] <megatog615> djazz: ls /etc/apt/sources.list
[1:45] <megatog615> er
[1:45] <megatog615> djazz: ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[1:45] <djazz> yes
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[1:46] <djazz> gtg, gn
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[1:56] <Caleb> time to slap the sd card in
[1:56] <Caleb> has raspbian on it now
[1:58] <steve_rox> im presently trying to determine what secret data this game is sendig back to its masters
[1:58] <steve_rox> we descoved something suspitious in it
[1:59] <misterhat> AC`97:
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[2:10] <AC`97> misterhat:
[2:10] <AC`97> also, brb. time for home.
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[2:10] <megatog615> turbo mode seems to work
[2:10] <misterhat> noo AC`97 i need help
[2:10] <misterhat> :(
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[2:12] <megatog615> how do you query the sensors?
[2:12] <Caleb> lmsensors
[2:12] <megatog615> really?
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[2:13] <Caleb> lm_sensors
[2:13] <megatog615> what module do i need to load for sensors?
[2:13] <Caleb> its one or the other
[2:13] <Caleb> hell try sensors
[2:13] <megatog615> ...
[2:14] <Caleb> sensors works here
[2:14] <megatog615> do lsmod
[2:14] <megatog615> pastebin the result
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[2:16] <misterhat> k
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[3:05] <lkthomas> hey guys
[3:05] <megatog615> avast!
[3:06] <megatog615> also, ahoy matey
[3:06] <lkthomas> is there have any linux for RPi without gui ?
[3:06] <chithead> lkthomas: yes, those listed here http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions without default gui
[3:07] <misterhat> arch
[3:07] <misterhat> i'd recommend arch
[3:07] <Caleb> yeah
[3:07] <lkthomas> I never use arch before
[3:07] <Caleb> arch is easy
[3:08] <misterhat> yah
[3:08] <megatog615> lkthomas: you could always install raspbian and uninstall the gui
[3:08] <lkthomas> what package system does it using ?
[3:08] <misterhat> or just get debian
[3:08] <misterhat> lkthomas: pacman
[3:09] <MrBIOS> does arch provide precompiled packages?
[3:10] <Caleb> yep
[3:10] <Caleb> uses binaries
[3:10] <lkthomas> are you talking about debian ARM ?
[3:10] <MrBIOS> does the Arch build for Pi use hardfloat?
[3:11] <MrBIOS> or is Raspbian the only game in town for hardfloat?
[3:11] <Caleb> no idea on that
[3:11] <Caleb> MrBIOS: join #archlinux-arm
[3:12] <chithead> MrBIOS: http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
[3:12] <chithead> the standard archlinux arm is softfloat, but there are some efforts for hardfloat on armv6
[3:13] <lkthomas> can I install Raspbian ???wheezy???then uninstall GUI ?
[3:13] <misterhat> yah
[3:13] <misterhat> why not
[3:13] <chithead> yes, apt can both install and remove packages
[3:13] <markbook> isn't there a no-GUI image?
[3:13] <misterhat> might be a minimal one
[3:13] <chithead> why do you insist on a no-gui image? you don't have to use the gui
[3:14] <markbook> because it's like saying "why put out the trash, you don't use that space"
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[3:16] <lkthomas> ok then
[3:16] <lkthomas> brb
[3:21] <[diecast]> yay, raspi came in the mail today!
[3:22] <Caleb> wewt
[3:22] <Caleb> good job
[3:22] <misterhat> k
[3:22] <misterhat> time to try some emumalation
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[3:27] <AC`97> misterhat: ??
[3:27] <misterhat> AC`97: trying out some emulators
[3:27] <misterhat> without X
[3:27] <misterhat> SDL is slow
[3:28] <AC`97> SDL with X is slower.
[3:28] <misterhat> yeh
[3:28] <misterhat> but it doesn't work without X
[3:28] <misterhat> just black screen
[3:28] <AC`97> common problem, i suppose
[3:28] <megatog615> i think sdl has an aalib output :)
[3:28] <AC`97> yeaaah aalib :D
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[3:29] <misterhat> aalib?
[3:29] <AC`97> aalib.
[3:29] <AC`97> not adlib sound
[3:29] <megatog615> text mode!
[3:31] <Caleb> is rpi-update on the new raspbian?
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[3:31] <megatog615> Caleb: yes
[3:31] <megatog615> there also appears to be an experimental repository for moving the firmware to a package
[3:31] <megatog615> but it isnt enabled
[3:33] <megatog615> also, the new sound driver sounds great
[3:33] <megatog615> it isn't horribad like before
[3:33] <Caleb> i didnt see it on mine
[3:33] <Caleb> i tried running the command
[3:33] <megatog615> Caleb: er
[3:33] <megatog615> Caleb: maybe i forgot that i installed it manually
[3:33] <Caleb> lol
[3:34] <megatog615> my raspbian install is thoroughly modified
[3:34] <megatog615> alsaplayer 01\ -\ Tom\ Sawyer.flac
[3:34] <angasule> yay! working raspi! I did get some ext4 errors, though :/
[3:34] <megatog615> beautiful sound coming out of my headphones
[3:34] <megatog615> playing flawlessly from my pi
[3:34] <Dyskette> Rush <3
[3:35] <megatog615> i want another pi so i can make a garage jukebox
[3:35] <Caleb> megatog615: nice
[3:35] <angasule> so now I just to figure out what to do with it... *twiddles fingers*
[3:35] <megatog615> now that i dont need a usb sound card
[3:36] <Caleb> megatog615: gotta love usb headphones if thats what youre using
[3:36] <megatog615> just need an output device and some kind of input that isn't super bulky
[3:36] <misterhat> analog ftw
[3:36] <megatog615> Caleb: nope, it is coming straight out of the headphone jack
[3:36] <Caleb> ahh nice
[3:36] <megatog615> latest kernel corrects the bad audio quality
[3:37] <megatog615> before it was only useful for making beeps
[3:37] <Caleb> heh
[3:38] * megatog615 plugs headphones back into desktop
[3:38] <megatog615> can't beat my mobo's sound card though
[3:38] <megatog615> much louder preamp than the pi
[3:38] <megatog615> at the cost of 750x the wattage :P
[3:39] <Dyskette> A small headphone amp could do that for much less power draw.
[3:39] <AC`97> oomph oomph oomph oomph oomph ???
[3:39] <megatog615> Dyskette: technically, my headphones have a noise reducer and amplifier
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[3:39] <megatog615> but the sound card preamp is where most of the loudness really comes from
[3:40] <megatog615> my mobo is easily 2x as loud
[3:40] <Dyskette> Your headphones are powered?
[3:40] <megatog615> Dyskette: if they aren't usb, then all noise reducing headphones are battery powered
[3:41] <Dyskette> Noise-cancelling ones, yeah
[3:41] <megatog615> eh
[3:41] <megatog615> 'cancelling' is a stretch
[3:41] <Dyskette> (And if they ARE usb, they 're powered, just bus-powered...)
[3:41] <Dyskette> Yeah, but noise reduction is something else.
[3:41] <megatog615> i am starting to think these headphones just do a bit of dynamic range compression and boost the range when noise is detected
[3:41] <Dyskette> However imperfect noise-cancelling may be
[3:42] <megatog615> it cancels noise, yes
[3:42] <megatog615> noise from fans is essentially eliminated
[3:42] <megatog615> but tap the table and it's heard clearly
[3:42] <AC`97> OUCH
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[3:42] <Dyskette> Right, well, yeah, noise-cancelling headphones, fair enough.
[3:42] <AC`97> i need grill for my fan :|
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[3:42] <Dyskette> I thought from your wording that that wasn't what they were :P
[3:42] <megatog615> my wording was that they suck
[3:42] <megatog615> and they try hard
[3:43] <megatog615> but don't do what they are advertised to do
[3:43] <megatog615> they do, however, have a button that plays back in the headphones what the microphones here
[3:43] <megatog615> *hear
[3:43] <megatog615> which is incredibly awesome
[3:43] <Dyskette> Sure. But noise-cancelling is still a thing, whether it works or not.
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[3:44] <Dyskette> Heh, that is kind of a cool little feature.
[3:44] <megatog615> if someone's talking to you, you can hold the botton on the right phone and it will amplify what they are saying and mute the incoming audio
[3:44] <Dyskette> If not all that useful, necessarily :P
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[3:44] <Dyskette> Ah, okay, there's some use, yeah.
[3:44] <megatog615> well it is useful, because taking off, then putting on headphones is annoying
[3:44] <Dyskette> I don't tend to talk to people much :P
[3:45] <megatog615> it is also different from hearing people un-aided
[3:45] <angasule> what is this 'people' you talk about? :)
[3:45] <megatog615> because it essentially acts as a hearing aid
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[3:45] <megatog615> you can unplug it from your media player and walk around and listen in on conversations
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[3:46] <tonsofpcs> hi everybody
[3:46] <AC`97> hi singlebody
[3:46] <megatog615> lol, in fact, when i talk it sounds like my mouth is a speaker
[3:46] <megatog615> hard to describe
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[3:47] <tonsofpcs> so when I first booted the rpi (wheezy) linux, I got a configuration screen reminiscent of a debian installer. I set some settings that I'd like to change, what command can I run to rerun that tool?
[3:47] <nsgn> goodeve
[3:47] <nsgn> tonsofpcs, rpi-config?
[3:47] <AC`97> nsgn: merry christmas
[3:47] <tonsofpcs> nsgn: thanks :)
[3:47] <nsgn> i forget what exactly it is so that may not be it. but try
[3:48] <Dyskette> Isn't it raspi-config?
[3:48] <nsgn> oops maybe that
[3:48] <megatog615> tonsofpcs: try turbo mode, it's awesome
[3:48] <megatog615> also, turbo mode works for me
[3:48] <Dyskette> Yeah, raspi-config
[3:48] <angasule> hmm, what does raspian do if dhcp isn't around? defaults to the last ip?
[3:48] <tonsofpcs> Dyskette: yes, cheers :)
[3:48] <Caleb> works here too
[3:48] <megatog615> the temp is only like 60C
[3:48] <Caleb> megatog615: how are you checking the temp
[3:48] <AC`97> megatog615: hot.
[3:48] <megatog615> which gives me a shitton of room to overclock
[3:48] <nsgn> angasule, if it is like normal debian it would self assign a 169 address
[3:48] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120919184344.png <- temperature
[3:48] <tonsofpcs> megatog615: do you eat megs? also, I'm going to switch to overclock mode #1 (moderate?)
[3:49] <megatog615> Caleb: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[3:49] <AC`97> cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[3:49] <megatog615> tonsofpcs: i eat artifacts and gain +2/+2 and trample until end of turn
[3:50] <megatog615> AC`97: 54072
[3:50] <angasule> megatog615: thanks
[3:50] <AC`97> i'd consider that pretty hot.
[3:50] <megatog615> AC`97: it is workable
[3:50] <AC`97> indeed
[3:50] <megatog615> AC`97: especially for what it does, just sit and serve files
[3:50] <AC`97> i like to keep mine <50c
[3:50] <nsgn> annd i just locked my PI up by opening desktop session settings. wtf
[3:50] <megatog615> though i want to know what the minimum cpu speed is
[3:50] <plugwash> any masochists arround? there are now libreoffice packages in raspbian and i'd like someone to test if they actually work
[3:50] <AC`97> megatog615: lowest is very low
[3:51] <tonsofpcs> silly mirrodin... ruining naming conventions for everyone
[3:51] <AC`97> megatog615: you can actually set it on the fly if you wish
[3:51] <megatog615> i found out today that at the very beginning, it boots with powersave governor
[3:51] <nsgn> this would be the second time my pi has locked hard when running x
[3:51] <megatog615> i had the min clock set to 50MHz
[3:51] <nsgn> each time doing relatively nothing
[3:51] <tonsofpcs> megatog615: like, if you 'underclock' ?
[3:51] <megatog615> took REALLY long time to boot
[3:51] <megatog615> this is a problem, imo
[3:51] <angasule> plugwash: haha neat, I haven't used X on mine yet
[3:51] <AC`97> i underclocked down to 100MHz, and it was still pretty usable
[3:51] <megatog615> it shouldn't use powersave governor on boot
[3:51] <AC`97> megatog615: underclock after bootup finished.
[3:51] <tonsofpcs> megatog615: why not?
[3:51] <megatog615> tonsofpcs: because it takes forever to boot
[3:52] <megatog615> tonsofpcs: it forces the lowest cpu clock
[3:52] <tonsofpcs> yes, so it can run on least power with least heat generation
[3:52] <megatog615> i REALLY want to set my min freq to the lowest it can go
[3:52] <megatog615> it is a server, it should not sit idle and consume power
[3:52] <megatog615> tonsofpcs: yes, but that is not needed during boot
[3:52] <AC`97> megatog615: http://rpi.reboxed.net/
[3:52] <tonsofpcs> there's a 25MHz clock and a 19.2 MHz clock (XTAL) on the board... you can probably set 25, I'd think.
[3:52] <nsgn> hmm. i cant even seem to force x to quit. somehow my pi just locked dead
[3:52] <AC`97> Current freq : 50MHz
[3:53] <nsgn> what would cause this?
[3:53] <megatog615> AC`97: 50000 was the number i set, afaik
[3:53] <AC`97> megatog615: down to 30MHz now :D
[3:53] <megatog615> AC`97: just dont try booting with that
[3:53] <AC`97> that makes my load go up. interesting
[3:53] <Caleb> AC`97: a guy i know is gonna slap risc os on his pi
[3:54] <tonsofpcs> any suggested NTP methods?
[3:54] <megatog615> tonsofpcs: just apt-get install ntp
[3:54] * AC`97 is down to 25MHz
[3:54] <megatog615> AC`97: how are you underclocking at runtime?
[3:54] <AC`97> (that's the speed of my first computer, btw)
[3:55] <AC`97> megatog615: scaling_min_freq
[3:55] <megatog615> oooh
[3:55] <AC`97> you can also set governor to userspace and lock it down
[3:55] <megatog615> i could put scaling_min_freq to that number in rc.local
[3:55] <AC`97> yep.
[3:55] <megatog615> then it wont be ultra slow on boot
[3:55] <megatog615> also, anyone know why mounting local filesystems takes forever?
[3:55] <megatog615> (the boot step)
[3:55] <AC`97> because fsck? :P
[3:56] <megatog615> because fsck you :P
[3:56] <AC`97> that's what you get when you pull the plug too often! >:D
[3:56] <des2> It shouldn't do fsck unless the filesystem is marked dirty
[3:56] <megatog615> no, it isn't doing fsck
[3:56] <megatog615> it just sits there at that step for a minute or two
[3:56] <tonsofpcs> megatog615: ntpd and ntpdc and ntpq are already installed... just asking about strategies since apparently the clock in this thing can't be trusted
[3:56] <megatog615> it takes over 10 minutes with 50mhz :P
[3:56] <nsgn> in other news...i can't open monitor settings. it just says "unable to get monitor information". i'm using HDMI to a samsung LCD computer monitor
[3:56] <des2> What clock ?
[3:56] <megatog615> tonsofpcs: there is also a fake rtc daemon
[3:57] <tonsofpcs> des2: there's two xtals on the board! can't one of those be used?
[3:57] <des2> no.
[3:57] <Caleb> how can you tell if ithe pi is stuck and wont go any further
[3:58] <Caleb> link blinks
[3:58] <des2> The lack of a real time clock is one of the Pi's defects.
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[3:58] <Caleb> but everything else is lit up
[3:58] <megatog615> AC`97: i don't have scaling_min_freq :/
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[3:58] * tonsofpcs contemplatees wiring the 25MHz xtal into a counting multivibrator type engine and back into a GPI
[3:58] <AC`97> megatog615: needs moar newest kernel ??
[3:58] <megatog615> AC`97: just ran rpi-update :/
[3:58] <AC`97> ...
[3:59] <megatog615> i rebooted, silly
[3:59] <AC`97> lol, ohshit. 5MHz. top isn't responding
[3:59] <tonsofpcs> alternatively, I have a GPSDO that outputs RS232 sitting on my desk at work...
[3:59] <angasule> uh, weird, why is console-kit around if I have no X?
[3:59] <tonsofpcs> angasule: startx ?
[3:59] <angasule> tonsofpcs: I killed it, exited ssh, sshed back in, it was there again
[4:00] <megatog615> AC`97: Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #160 PREEMPT Mon Sep 17 23:18:42 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[4:00] <AC`97> megatog615: where did you look ?
[4:00] <AC`97> ponyland ?
[4:00] <megatog615> maybe i need to be inside cpu0
[4:00] <AC`97> or /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
[4:00] <Caleb> megatog615: your pi running after rpi-update
[4:00] <AC`97> yes that
[4:00] <megatog615> ah yes
[4:00] <megatog615> the one inside cpu/ is for general config
[4:01] <AC`97> i make symlink in my homedir for that :P
[4:01] <megatog615> been a while since i fiddled with this crap
[4:01] <tonsofpcs> hmm, ntpd is actually running, it just has the timezone offset wrong
[4:01] <megatog615> why does it only switch between two freqs?
[4:01] <angasule> I'm going to bed, g'night
[4:01] <Caleb> nite angasule
[4:01] <tonsofpcs> oh, nevermind, it fixed itself
[4:01] <misterhat> yay
[4:02] <misterhat> got NES emulator working
[4:02] <misterhat> full speed
[4:02] <megatog615> tonsofpcs: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[4:02] <misterhat> fullscreen
[4:02] <Caleb> nice
[4:02] <misterhat> with sound
[4:02] <misterhat> :D
[4:02] <tonsofpcs> megatog615: between twoo freqs?
[4:02] <megatog615> 700mhz and 1000mhz
[4:02] <Caleb> misterhat: i think thats something ill do next
[4:02] <AC`97> megatog615: try the conservative governor
[4:02] <tonsofpcs> megatog615: yea, I think it did that when i did raspi-config
[4:02] <misterhat> yeh it's sweet
[4:02] <misterhat> next is gameboy
[4:02] <misterhat> :P
[4:02] <tonsofpcs> misterhat: forget NES, I'm installing rygel.
[4:02] <misterhat> honestly a pain to find all the info
[4:02] <Caleb> i think the pi si stuck on something while trying to boot
[4:02] <Caleb> dont have a monitor hooked up
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[4:03] <Caleb> lame on my part
[4:03] <AC`97> my pi rebooted
[4:03] <Caleb> :(
[4:03] <megatog615> AC`97: there is no scaling_available_freqs
[4:03] <AC`97> perhaps my watchdog went poof
[4:03] <misterhat> AC`97: i got nes working <3
[4:03] <tonsofpcs> also, the wikis all talk about VGA on HDMI not being supported but MCM sold me an HDMI > VGA adaptamajig that works just fine...
[4:03] <AC`97> misterhat: lol8bit
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[4:03] <Caleb> wewt
[4:03] <Caleb> booted
[4:03] <misterhat> owell man
[4:03] <misterhat> i'm still happy
[4:03] <megatog615> tonsofpcs: the adapter is converting the signal into vga
[4:04] <megatog615> the pi does not support the analog signal over hdmi
[4:04] <plugwash> tonsofpcs, a passive VGA adaptor can't work, an active one can but some of them draw too much power for the Pis HDMI output
[4:04] <misterhat> HDMI -> DVI -> VGA
[4:04] <tonsofpcs> it's quite tiny for an active adapter
[4:04] <tonsofpcs> misterhat: HDMI~=DVI
[4:04] <misterhat> huh
[4:04] <tonsofpcs> HDMI <> DVI is a pinning adjustment
[4:04] <nsgn> seems they made a further improvement to pwm audio, so they say. any notable difference? i'm about to install latest fw and try
[4:04] <misterhat> oh
[4:04] <misterhat> yeah
[4:04] <misterhat> ik
[4:04] <tonsofpcs> HDMI includes specs to work in "DVI mode" and DVI includes specs to work in "HDMI mode"
[4:06] <tonsofpcs> plugwash: I imagine it's just three ADCs and sync regeneration (mutlivibrator? simple transistor?)
[4:06] <tonsofpcs> nsgn: PWM audio?
[4:06] <nsgn> analog audio
[4:06] <tonsofpcs> no PCM to the onboard 'sound card' ?
[4:06] <plugwash> there is no onboard "sound card"
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[4:07] <tonsofpcs> there's two audio outputs on the board...
[4:07] <megatog615> AC`97: install cpufrequtils for less typing
[4:07] <megatog615> it's a pain to type out /sys/devices...
[4:07] <tonsofpcs> lol
[4:07] <megatog615> .../cpufreq/blag
[4:07] <nsgn> tonsofpcs, one of them is purely digital ... so no DAC is needed there (HDMI). the other is PWM audio out the analog port, i believe
[4:07] <nsgn> thus it sounds relatively like crap
[4:07] <tonsofpcs> ewww
[4:07] <plugwash> tonsofpcs, the analog audio outputs on the Pi are filtered PWM
[4:08] <nsgn> the pi has no "real", quality audio DAC onboard
[4:08] <Caleb> hmm
[4:08] <plugwash> with the PWM signals being generated by the SoC
[4:08] <nsgn> and listening to it you'd bet it wasnt filtered :)
[4:08] <tonsofpcs> I guess I need to buy a cheap $10 USB sound device for codec stuff
[4:08] <Caleb> thought i had enabled turbo mode
[4:08] <Caleb> but i guess not
[4:08] <tonsofpcs> nsgn: do you hear constant pops?
[4:08] <nsgn> YES
[4:08] <tonsofpcs> weird
[4:08] <nsgn> they are unbearable themselves, beyond the fact that the audio quality is just poor
[4:08] <tonsofpcs> I guess I can bring it to work and run it through the paces of the SystemTwo....
[4:08] <nsgn> the pops are very loud
[4:09] <megatog615> nsgn: it actually sounds quite good now
[4:09] <megatog615> update your firmware
[4:09] <nsgn> megatog615, i've just updated and rebooting now. we'll see. i'll be surprised. i was updated as of just 2 or 3 days ago and it was crrrraaaappp
[4:09] <nsgn> but maybe my power supply or my pi itself has something wrong
[4:09] <tonsofpcs> PWM shouldn't ever be causing pops unless the filter isn't working...
[4:09] <Caleb> well
[4:09] <Caleb> its set
[4:09] <tonsofpcs> I'mm guessing the cap on the board is the audio filter?
[4:09] <Caleb> just me being retarded
[4:10] * plugwash suspects the pops were timing problems in the generation of the PWM signals
[4:10] <plugwash> yeah the filter is a simple RC circuit, nothing fancy
[4:10] <tonsofpcs> C20/C26
[4:10] <nsgn> megatog615, ok up from reboot, headphones on, here goes test
[4:11] <plugwash> the hardware design was clearly a case of "how can we produce something resembling audio as cheaply as possible"
[4:11] <megatog615> nsgn: try a good high quality audio file, like flac, or something
[4:11] <megatog615> i just played Tom Sawyer through it and it was quite good
[4:11] <tonsofpcs> is there a wiki page showing exactly what is on the two ribbon headers?
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[4:11] <nsgn> megatog615, and my pi locks hard for the third time in 3 days trying to start up playback of the file. what the heck is my deal? is this caused by a bad power supply maybe?
[4:11] <tonsofpcs> nsgn: PSU spec?
[4:11] <megatog615> nsgn: what is the amperage on the psu?
[4:12] <nsgn> 5v 1a
[4:12] <nsgn> just some cell phone charger i had around with usb
[4:12] <des2> right before you play the file unplug everyhting you don't need.
[4:13] <nsgn> if i have to unplug the keyboard or the network to play audio it's kindof not too useful
[4:13] <tonsofpcs> nsgn: what's plugged into the USB?
[4:13] <megatog615> nsgn: don't plug anything directly into the usb
[4:13] <des2> Sounds like it's more an audo driver problem though.
[4:13] <nsgn> logitech basic usb keyboard, microsoft optical mouse
[4:13] <megatog615> nsgn: use a powered hub on the usb ports
[4:13] <nsgn> hmm, ok
[4:13] <tonsofpcs> microsoft optical mouse like the big grey one?
[4:13] <megatog615> nsgn: then plug those into the hub
[4:13] <nsgn> actually i could just unplug those and use ssh
[4:13] <tonsofpcs> those things eat power.
[4:13] <megatog615> nsgn: there is almost no extra power to spare on the usb ports
[4:13] <nsgn> i've noted when hotplugging i frequently cause my pi to reboot
[4:13] <nsgn> so i've cooled it on hotplugging :)
[4:14] <megatog615> i *really* wish the pi had PoE
[4:14] <nsgn> megatog615, it shouldnt be too hard to add with an adapter
[4:14] <tonsofpcs> megatog615: you mean PoE to power it or to power another device?
[4:15] <nsgn> well, audio playback still sounds like a song being played with a freaking commmercial air compressor running in the background
[4:15] <megatog615> tonsofpcs: both ways would be nice actually
[4:15] <tonsofpcs> you can't really do both ways on the same port...
[4:15] <megatog615> nsgn: what player?
[4:15] <nsgn> mplayer
[4:15] <megatog615> nsgn: i used alsaplayer
[4:15] <nsgn> a few high bitrate MP3s. the processor is not stressing. it just sounds like turd coming out
[4:15] <megatog615> nsgn: mplayer might just be configured wrong
[4:15] <tonsofpcs> you could do passive (non-standard) PoE with an adapter, a regulator, a voltage dividing circuit, and a USB plug...
[4:15] <nsgn> hmm..doesnt alsa only handle .wav?
[4:16] <misterhat> kk
[4:16] <megatog615> nsgn: no, alsaplayer is an entirely different project
[4:16] <misterhat> time for SNES testing soon
[4:16] <misterhat> :D
[4:16] <tonsofpcs> misterhat: lol
[4:16] <nsgn> megatog615, oh ok . installing and testing
[4:16] <megatog615> nsgn: apt-get install alsaplayer-common alsaplayer-alsa alsaplayer-text
[4:16] <nsgn> yup. got it installing now
[4:17] <megatog615> then just alsaplayer mediafile.ext
[4:17] <megatog615> it supports flac :P
[4:17] <des2> The pi's audio issues are not fully worked out yet.
[4:18] <nsgn> megatog615, playback with alsaplayer sounds identical to mplayer
[4:18] <nsgn> sounds like a constant static coming over the music
[4:18] <megatog615> weird
[4:18] <tonsofpcs> nsgn: does it sound worse in one channel than the other?
[4:18] <megatog615> sounded fine for me
[4:18] <nsgn> with some occasional buzzing and popping seemingly linked up with the level of activity the PI has going on
[4:18] <nsgn> is there something wrong with my pi? :(
[4:18] <tonsofpcs> how overclocked are you?
[4:19] <megatog615> nsgn: what does /proc/cpuinfo say?
[4:19] <nsgn> tonsofpcs, none
[4:19] <megatog615> the sound quality might be different by model
[4:19] <megatog615> possibly
[4:19] <nsgn> megatog615, command not found
[4:19] <megatog615> mine is revision 0002
[4:19] <megatog615> nsgn: it is a text file
[4:19] <megatog615> nsgn: cat it
[4:19] <nsgn> dur
[4:20] <nsgn> gives a list of stuff. cant paste cause i'm not ssh'd in. what info do you want
[4:20] <megatog615> its ok
[4:20] <megatog615> just need to know what the Revision says
[4:20] <nsgn> bcm2708 rev 0003
[4:20] <megatog615> interesting
[4:20] <megatog615> mine is 0002
[4:20] <AC`97> so apparently, my RPi doesn't like the conservative governor too much. 2 restarts already :|
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[4:21] <megatog615> AC`97: i set it to conservative and it is slowly making its way down to 50mhz
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[4:21] <megatog615> AC`97: it is weird to see the current speed differ from what cpufreq-info says is the hardware minimum
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[4:21] <megatog615> er, be less than
[4:21] <AC`97> megatog615: you know where to tweak the conservative governor options, right?
[4:21] <megatog615> /sys/devices/cpu/cpufreq
[4:22] <AC`97> yep
[4:22] <megatog615> er
[4:22] <AC`97> tweak those. see if you can make it freeze up XD
[4:22] <megatog615> /system/ in there somewhere
[4:22] <megatog615> see what i mean? :P
[4:22] <AC`97> lol
[4:22] <megatog615> no way, i have services running
[4:22] <AC`97> wot
[4:23] <megatog615> bittorrent, web server, owncloud instance, etc
[4:23] <nsgn> megatog615, whooaa. it is the network!
[4:23] <nsgn> when i unplug the network cable the audio improves a good chunk
[4:23] <megatog615> nsgn: that could be a problem with your board
[4:23] <megatog615> nsgn: also, try unplugging all usb devices
[4:23] <megatog615> nsgn: the headphone jack is affected by local noise
[4:24] <nsgn> megatog615, tried unplugging all usb. no effect. removing Network eliminated the majority of the noise
[4:24] <megatog615> currently i have hdmi plugged, a powered usb hub plugged, power(obviously), and ethernet
[4:24] <megatog615> nsgn: either that or your network switch is putting way too much noise on the line
[4:24] <nsgn> is this flawed design, a bad particular board i got, or perhaps a noisy network? (i do run a metric buttload of devices on this network..like...a huge variety of weird stuff)
[4:25] <megatog615> nsgn: the headphone jack was not intended to be useful, really
[4:25] <nsgn> megatog615, well honestly right now it sounds dang near useful
[4:25] <megatog615> nsgn: only used for applications where sound quality were not a priority
[4:25] <megatog615> (such as beeps)
[4:25] <nsgn> the recent updates improved it a lot
[4:25] <nsgn> now the issue is just that my whole desire here is to have this sucker always network connected
[4:26] <megatog615> the SoC they used for the pi had support for a speaker and so they put on a headphone jack
[4:26] <megatog615> that was probably the extent of their planning for the headphone jack
[4:26] <nsgn> makes sense. i'd rather have that than a speaker glued to the board
[4:26] <megatog615> nsgn: think of it as the pc speaker
[4:26] <nsgn> again, after these updates, it sounds acceptable. just seem to be having a network noise issue
[4:26] <megatog615> nsgn: it makes beeps, nothing else
[4:26] <nsgn> well this is a damn good sounding pc speaker, if that's the case
[4:26] <megatog615> nsgn: therefor if you put music over it you'll probably get all kinds of noise
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[4:27] <nsgn> just doesnt quite nail perfection. i dont mind if thats just how it is on the pi,but it was interesting to me to hear others had better sound than i do
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[4:30] <megatog615> nsgn: ethernet on my network goes through like 3 battery backups so there's practically no noise here
[4:30] <megatog615> nsgn: definitely a 'ymmv' thing
[4:31] <nsgn> megatog615, well mine's completely isolated from the grid too, and well grounded..but then i have a massive number of odd devices throughout the home on the network re-introducing noise. poe cameras, rooftop radios, televisions, handful of computers, a home automation panel, etc
[4:31] <nsgn> so i probably screw the cleanness up again with all that
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[4:33] <nsgn> megatog615, i bet joining to a wifi network would solve my issue here, huh
[4:33] <nsgn> unless the wifi chip introduced too much of its own noise it would at least be isolated from outside grounds that way
[4:34] <nsgn> now to try a preamp on it
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[4:38] <AC`97> ZZzzZz
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[4:39] <megatog615> apparently i set my minimum freq to 50 KHz and then set the governor to powersave
[4:39] <megatog615> apparently that was bad
[4:39] <AC`97> 50KHz O.o
[4:40] <AC`97> even 5MHz was bad for me XD
[4:40] <megatog615> all because i added a space in between 50 and MHz
[4:40] <megatog615> cpufreq-set didnt understand that i wanted 50MHz
[4:40] <megatog615> i didnt notice this and then it hung
[4:40] <AC`97> did your watchdog trigger? :P
[4:40] <megatog615> presumably, doing work at 50KHz
[4:40] <AC`97> (woof woof)
[4:41] <nsgn> well, putting a preamp between the pi's analog output and the headphones only brings out the flaws :D
[4:41] <AC`97> O.o
[4:41] <AC`97> nsgn: did you max out the volume setting on the RPi ?
[4:41] * Leeky is now known as Leeky_afk
[4:42] <nsgn> AC`97, hmm..toying with that right now actually
[4:42] <AC`97> indeed.
[4:42] <nsgn> turning up the output volume helps fairly dramatically..but i'm worried i'll peak the output. guess i'll test and see if i can find that limit
[4:43] <tonsofpcs> hmm, rygel isn't working right... anyone have rygel working on wheezy?
[4:43] <AC`97> nsgn: it probably won't clip
[4:44] <AC`97> unless your preamp input clips...
[4:44] <tonsofpcs> what's the impedance on the preamp's inputs?
[4:44] <nsgn> AC`97, i can feel the preamp ever slightly so irritated by the input level, but it does sound much better when turned up
[4:44] <nsgn> well, in regards to popping/hissing it's almost gone, as i'm obviously able to turn down the gain on the input of the preamp
[4:44] <AC`97> indeed.
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[4:45] <tonsofpcs> nsgn: what's the impedance on the preamp's inputs?
[4:45] <AC`97> the noise is worst when volume is set to 0 :P
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[4:45] <tonsofpcs> how about 11?
[4:45] <nsgn> tonsofpcs, don't know offhand. i'd have to pull its spec sheet. it's nothing fancy. just a rolls personal headphone preamp. made for studio practice sessions
[4:45] <AC`97> still bad.
[4:46] <nsgn> does the volume set with alsamixer persist through reboot or does it default back if you reboot?
[4:46] <tonsofpcs> rolls lol
[4:46] <AC`97> royce
[4:46] <tonsofpcs> PM50S?
[4:46] <AC`97> nsgn: er, what distro again ?
[4:47] <nsgn> tonsofpcs, PM350b
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[4:47] <AC`97> in archlinux, there's an alsa daemon that saves at shutdown and loads on boot
[4:47] <nsgn> AC`97, just running raspbian, current stable
[4:47] <nsgn> or whatever the hell comes when you install raspbian and do aptget to update :)
[4:47] <AC`97> lol
[4:48] <AC`97> so, i notice that i'm getting erratic outputs from the thermal driver every once in a while
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[4:49] <AC`97> most recent one was 85C
[4:49] <tonsofpcs> AC`97: let me explain rolls quality in a way you can easily understand: this is a FAQ entry on their website: http://www.rolls.com/faq.php?id=14
[4:49] <AC`97> when my average at the time was 34-35C
[4:49] <misterhat> AC`97: snes works :D
[4:49] <AC`97> tonsofpcs: i'm audio-illiterate
[4:49] * AC`97 buzzes
[4:50] <AC`97> lol copypaste
[4:50] <nsgn> haha
[4:50] <tonsofpcs> that's rolls quality.
[4:50] <tonsofpcs> it works, it gets the job done, but it's not the cleanest by any means.
[4:50] <AC`97> also some cut-paste too
[4:50] <AC`97> lol
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[4:51] <Caleb> netsplit
[4:51] <AC`97> banana split
[4:51] <AC`97> memory split
[4:51] <AC`97> all these splits...
[4:51] <Caleb> lol
[4:51] <megatog615> yay
[4:51] <steve_rox> my pi cant handle 1ghz , how upsetting
[4:52] <megatog615> ok
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[4:52] <AC`97> steve_rox: needs moar overvoltage
[4:52] <nsgn> i wonder if there is some way i can externally ground the pi
[4:52] <megatog615> i wish the interactive governor was an official governor
[4:52] <AC`97> nsgn: try the composite jack.
[4:52] <steve_rox> im using the turbo mode feature
[4:52] <nsgn> cause obviously a two prong USB power brick is not grounded
[4:52] <AC`97> for grounding
[4:52] <tonsofpcs> lol, it connects 12VDC to the ring when the line input is in mono
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[4:52] <nsgn> AC`97, oh?
[4:53] <tonsofpcs> nsgn: what happens if you use the instrument input insteaad of the line input? (also, turn mic and line knobs down all the way)
[4:53] <AC`97> perhaps plug a composite cable from RPi to something else that's grounded properly
[4:53] <tonsofpcs> AC`97: I'm betting the mic level knob is a pre-amp voltage divider in the rolls and the mic amp is always ruunning to the headphone output, causing it to pick up the RFI from the RPI
[4:53] <AC`97> ^ le fail.
[4:54] <tonsofpcs> oh, wait, schematics! :D
[4:54] <AC`97> where?!?
[4:54] <tonsofpcs> in the manual!
[4:54] * AC`97 is schematics-illiterate though
[4:54] <AC`97> lemme see! :D
[4:54] <tonsofpcs> on the schematics for the rolls, in its manual "change [resistor value] for [resistor value] for line input" lol
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[4:55] <AC`97> . . .
[4:55] <AC`97> solder/unsolder?
[4:55] <nsgn> AC`97, inst input sounds the same as the line
[4:55] <AC`97> no jumpers
[4:55] <AC`97> tonsofpcs: nsgn says inst input sounds the same as the line
[4:55] <AC`97> (whatever that means)
[4:56] <nsgn> whoops, meant tonsofpcs :)
[4:56] <tonsofpcs> AC`97: yes, you'd have to go buy the right resistors and swap them
[4:56] <AC`97> :P
[4:56] <tonsofpcs> nsgn: line should be switched to stereo. NEVER switch it to mono on that box (these schematics frighten me)
[4:56] <tonsofpcs> you should use line and keep both inst and mic turned down
[4:56] <tonsofpcs> oh, and the way it works:
[4:56] <nsgn> tonsofpcs, its in stereo. mic and inst are turned down. i'm familar with the concepts at play here :P
[4:57] <AC`97> does mono short stuff ??
[4:57] <nsgn> and unfortunately connecting the composite to ground has no effect
[4:57] <AC`97> nsgn: then it's probably not a grounding problem
[4:57] <nsgn> the ungodly source of all noise here seems to be my network. wifi seems the way to go
[4:57] * plugwash would try putting a bigass capacitor on the 3.3V rail
[4:57] <AC`97> is the stuff in your ethernet pretty standard?
[4:57] <tonsofpcs> instument's knob is pre-amp, mic's knob is post-amp, both of those amps then feed another amp (together) that has no input or output control
[4:58] <nsgn> as amusing as rolls stuff is, this little box has taken a beating over the years and still sounds nice, assuming you provide it a nice clean source
[4:58] <AC`97> garbage in, garbage out.
[4:58] <nsgn> but you wouldn't find it driving anything in my main setup. i just use it with headphones for testing stuff with too little level to properly drive larger headphones
[4:59] <tonsofpcs> also, bias voltage is quite high and controlled by an RC network...
[4:59] <AC`97> what is a resistor-capacitor network ??
[4:59] <AC`97> erm, i mean RC network
[4:59] <tonsofpcs> lol
[5:00] <AC`97> y u laugh at me
[5:00] <tonsofpcs> because you said what it was then corrected yourself...
[5:00] <AC`97> orly? :|
[5:01] <tonsofpcs> resistor+capacitor
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[5:01] * AC`97 is listening to Michel Telo - Ai Se Eu Te Pego
[5:01] <AC`97> lalala~
[5:01] <nsgn> blah. i give up on the analog output :)
[5:02] <tonsofpcs> I'm stillt rying to get it to play something
[5:02] <nsgn> you havent gotten any output?
[5:02] <AC`97> i didn't get anything out of my bitbanged optical spdif yet
[5:02] <tonsofpcs> http://paste.debian.net/191095/
[5:03] <AC`97> except for twinkly red lights
[5:03] <tonsofpcs> AC`97: erm... why not just use the HDMI?
[5:03] <AC`97> because no hdmi pluggies
[5:03] <AC`97> i r poor
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[5:03] <AC`97> i only have a micro-hdmi to regular hdmi cable
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[5:03] <nsgn> HDMI isnt always so easy to get audio out of since you cant just pull a pin out of it. the audio for HDMI is in the video data stream, right?
[5:03] <tonsofpcs> the HDMI cable I bought with my RPi probably cost less than an LED and a handful of resistors
[5:04] <tonsofpcs> it's embedded, yes.
[5:04] <tonsofpcs> in a similar manner to SDI audio embedding
[5:04] <nsgn> so you'd have to assume he's using an HDMI capable monitor with audio
[5:04] <nsgn> many cheaper computer monitors with HDMI don't have audio
[5:04] <AC`97> i want audio only. for my receiver :P
[5:04] <des2> who wants speakers in their monitor ?
[5:04] <nsgn> or if he's using a DVI monitor, such as i am, you of course dump audio capability right there too
[5:04] <tonsofpcs> many cheaper computer monitors with HDMI are just DVI monitors with an HDMI plug since its cheaper
[5:04] <nsgn> des2, nobody. but if your monitor will act as a DAC for you that's a good thing sometimes because otherwise HDMI audio is a pain to extract
[5:04] <AC`97> not really cheaper, i'd think
[5:05] <AC`97> they just want to advertise.
[5:05] <des2> you have to pay$40 to monoprice for an extractor box
[5:05] <nsgn> tonsofpcs, true. i have a pretty cheap hdmi computer monitor with speakers though. its nice enough to not only DAC hdmi audio, but also provide a line out
[5:05] <nsgn> but its not the one i'm using on my pi
[5:05] <nsgn> i use it as a television in my bedroom, actually, thanks to this feature
[5:05] <tonsofpcs> AC`97: I'd be more interested in an AES3 (or AES3id or S/PDIF copper) output than a S/PDIF optical output.
[5:06] <AC`97> ...
[5:06] <nsgn> why?
[5:06] <tonsofpcs> because optical is a pain to interface with anything useful.
[5:06] <AC`97> orly
[5:06] <AC`97> i say false.
[5:06] <tonsofpcs> copper is easier to run and runs farther.
[5:06] <AC`97> ^ true
[5:07] <AC`97> actually, also sorta false
[5:07] <AC`97> optical can run farther :P
[5:07] <AC`97> ... if you can find a cable that long
[5:07] <tonsofpcs> i'm talking about S/PDIF, not real glass lasers.
[5:07] <AC`97> yes, spdif
[5:07] <AC`97> the led in mine is basically a laser
[5:08] <tonsofpcs> and is it tuned to the right frequency for multimode or single mode internal refraction/reflections?
[5:08] <AC`97> it even seems like it's putting out coherent light
[5:08] <AC`97> what is dis refraction/reflection shizzles?
[5:08] * AC`97 is physics-illiterate
[5:08] * tonsofpcs thinks AC`97 isn't illiterate in much of anything
[5:08] <AC`97> ...
[5:09] <tonsofpcs> anyway, I want AES3 outputs to drive professional gear. No decent pro gear has optical inputs.
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[5:09] <AC`97> orly
[5:09] <tonsofpcs> yarly
[5:09] <AC`97> RPi isn't professional audio equipment
[5:09] <des2> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011405&p_id=5369&seq=1&format=1#largeimage
[5:10] <tonsofpcs> AC`97: it's apparently not any audio equipment as-is.
[5:10] <AC`97> indeed.
[5:11] <nsgn> well, it doesn't have to be. when you start talking purely digital audio so long as it has the cpu to crank it through it wont hurt/harm the audio a bit
[5:11] <nsgn> so the only thing it inherently sucks at audio wise is analog audio
[5:12] <AC`97> 1-bit haha
[5:12] <tonsofpcs> nsgn: this is why I want an AES3 output (and, ideally, AES3 input too)
[5:12] <AC`97> nyanyanyanyanyanyan~
[5:12] <tonsofpcs> (well, there's all sorts of considerations for signal recovery but that's the basics, ya)
[5:13] <nsgn> tonsofpcs, it'd be useful, i but probably more interest in coaxal or optical digital, honestly
[5:13] <tonsofpcs> S/PDIF (copper) and AES3 are signal compatible
[5:13] <tonsofpcs> the only required difference is the professional/consumer bit flag.
[5:13] <AC`97> IEC 60958 Type II Optical ??
[5:14] <nsgn> i wonder if the pi is really phsycally up to bitbanging out spdif
[5:14] <AC`97> nsgn: i'm gettin' close! >:D
[5:14] <AC`97> ... perhaps
[5:14] <tonsofpcs> voltages and terminations are different but the signals are the same
[5:14] <AC`97> ... if i wasn't so audio-illiterate
[5:14] <AC`97> ... and computer illiterate
[5:15] <AC`97> i have a TI Stellaris launchpad coming next month. perhaps i'll use that to bitbang some spdif
[5:15] <Caleb> is there a problem with sound from hdmi on raspbian
[5:15] <AC`97> right after i learn how to use it :|
[5:15] <tonsofpcs> installing xbmc-standalone now
[5:15] <tonsofpcs> AC`97: do you have an oscilloscope?
[5:16] <AC`97> tonsofpcs: i use my soundcard if it's an emergency :P
[5:16] <AC`97> i'm too poor.
[5:16] <AC`97> tonsofpcs: http://ffauploads.com/choochoo2.wav IR receiver :D
[5:17] <nsgn> hmm..check this dude out for $25 http://www.amazon.com/SANOXY-Audio-Converter-Support-Output/dp/B0057UNQ18/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1348110899&sr=8-1&keywords=hdmi+to+audio
[5:17] <nsgn> claims to pull analog audio out of hdmi
[5:18] <AC`97> and i pull rabbits out of my ass
[5:18] <AC`97> er, actually...
[5:18] * AC`97 wanders off
[5:18] <nsgn> i'm cracking up at "The product only changes the signal format from digital to analog, but doesn't have impact on the quality of input signal."
[5:18] <tonsofpcs> AES3 receiver requirements requirements appear to be 135ns +-200mV (400mV total)... need to find more details
[5:18] <AC`97> nice wording
[5:18] <tonsofpcs> nsgn: sure it does! it terminates it through some resistance!
[5:18] <des2> http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10114&cs_id=1011410&p_id=8126&seq=1&format=2
[5:18] <des2> Monoptice hdmi to analog $39.
[5:19] <nsgn> this is cheaper and ships free
[5:19] <nsgn> and honestly i would have a bit more faith in the sound this would produce vs some cheesy usb audio card, and it wouldn't tie up a pi usb port
[5:19] <nsgn> or consume usb bandwidth
[5:20] <nsgn> and has its own power supply, so compared to a usb dac it may sound cleaner since it isnt powered from the pi's somewhat noisy power
[5:20] <AC`97> i run my pi from a battery.
[5:20] <AC`97> motorcycle battery on my desk :D
[5:21] <AC`97> so uh.. who should i contact if i'm getting some erratic readings from the thermal driver?
[5:22] <AC`97> i've already gotten 85C twice when reading once every 2 seconds for the past few hours
[5:22] <AC`97> actually, for the past 1 hour.
[5:23] <tonsofpcs> the person who didn't compare two sequential samplings and dump them if they don't match.
[5:23] <AC`97> ...
[5:23] <AC`97> but they almost never match
[5:23] <tonsofpcs> i don't mean your 2s samples
[5:24] <AC`97> two in a row ? o.o
[5:24] <tonsofpcs> yes.
[5:24] <AC`97> hmm
[5:24] <tonsofpcs> and 'match' can be a bit fuzzy
[5:25] <Caleb> so
[5:25] <AC`97> how about i just compare it with an average
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[5:25] <Caleb> sounds from hdmi and raspbian
[5:25] <nsgn> so is digital audio on the pi just fine through hdmi? obviously it would be clean, but does the pi handle it smoothly?
[5:25] <AC`97> but the output shouldn't ever go to 85c in a single frame anways
[5:25] <tonsofpcs> had this problem inside a transmitter cabinet, RF noise would get into the thermal sensor which didn't have a proper diode protection and then the constant software monitoring ocassionally saw out of tolerance and initiated thermal shutdown because it was so hot the metal was melting (per what it read)... fixed by reading a few sequential samples and only shutting down if they're mostly too high rather than just one too high
[5:25] <AC`97> tonsofpcs: i also got a -966434936. wow.
[5:26] <AC`97> and another one of those down the line
[5:26] <tonsofpcs> (they actually accomplished it with a rolling average but they're actively monitoring _every_ sample)
[5:26] <Caleb> cant figure out why sound isnt working
[5:26] <AC`97> O.o
[5:27] <steve_rox> this new turbo mode thing is some kinda overheat protection right?
[5:27] <AC`97> tonsofpcs: i did that for my RPi poweroff switch
[5:27] <steve_rox> is that enabled by default?
[5:27] <AC`97> steve_rox: disabled by default, you should keep it that way unless you want max speed all the time
[5:27] <tonsofpcs> AC`97: power off switch? polling to run shutdown -h now on gpi?
[5:27] <AC`97> tonsofpcs: yes, except with interrupts.
[5:27] <steve_rox> well in config i set it to turbo but i couldent get it to boot
[5:27] <AC`97> i get false interrupts sometimes too
[5:28] <tonsofpcs> AC`97: interesting. I need to learn how to play with these GPI and GPOs
[5:28] <AC`97> especially when i hold something metal and tap it onto the pi's ground
[5:28] <steve_rox> so im not sure what to do now
[5:28] <tonsofpcs> I need a metal box for my RPi
[5:28] <AC`97> steve_rox: probably too much overclock?
[5:28] <tonsofpcs> steve_rox: hold shift on boot.
[5:28] <steve_rox> allready done
[5:28] * AC`97 has no keyboard on pi.
[5:29] <misterhat> i am so happy
[5:29] <steve_rox> i have arm freq at 900 at moment stable without any over volt
[5:29] <AC`97> so i'm happy to say that i've never gotten any of the stuck-key problems other people had :D
[5:29] <misterhat> my pi works well
[5:29] <misterhat> it's beautiful
[5:30] <steve_rox> running sonic1 at moment at 400x300
[5:30] <nsgn> haha
[5:30] <steve_rox> cpu holding at 56'c
[5:30] <steve_rox> and fps is good
[5:30] <misterhat> genesis emu?
[5:30] <AC`97> mine is at 35.78??C
[5:30] <misterhat> :P
[5:30] <steve_rox> dgen
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[5:31] <misterhat> im gunna try a diff 1
[5:31] * AC`97 spies a Syliss
[5:31] <Syliss> ahhh
[5:31] <misterhat> so far SNES and NES work
[5:31] <misterhat> gunna try PS1 in a moment
[5:31] <misterhat> once this game finishes ripping
[5:31] <steve_rox> what im wondering is if i start entering random OC settings into the config , will this latest firmware still protect aggenst overheat?
[5:32] <AC`97> steve_rox: yes.
[5:32] <misterhat> i just can't believe how cool this thing is :P
[5:32] <steve_rox> cos i figure if turbo mode preset wont work increase voltage?
[5:32] <misterhat> would underclocking allow me to undervolt this?
[5:33] <misterhat> was gunna c if things still ran @ 600mhz
[5:33] <AC`97> misterhat: perhaps.
[5:34] <AC`97> oh. i guess running my fan off the 3.3v line wasn't such a good idea. my regulator is hot :|
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[5:36] <tonsofpcs> misterhat: my A500 with a CortexA9 dual Tegra2 has issues with PS1... good luck on a Pi.
[5:36] <misterhat> tonsofpcs: people have alrdy done it
[5:37] <AC`97> indeed.
[5:37] <misterhat> usually stays @ 55-60 FPS
[5:37] <misterhat> don't think sound works
[5:37] <misterhat> we'll c once this ISO dumps
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[5:40] <piney0> i need a 4.7k pull up resistor for 1wire on GPIO4, does anyone think a 5k resistor would be bad to try?
[5:41] <Syliss> I'm happy they released a mod to go up to 1ghz
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[5:41] <steve_rox> i cant get it to 1ghz
[5:42] <steve_rox> how dissapointing
[5:43] <steve_rox> now all my windows laptops hates the pi sd card
[5:43] <Syliss> even with ov?
[5:44] <steve_rox> i used the preset in config
[5:44] <steve_rox> just cuts off at certain boot level
[5:44] <Syliss> well they have a new thing to help boost it i guess
[5:44] <steve_rox> now i cant seem to read its sd card on windows but the pi will still boot off it
[5:45] <Syliss> odd
[5:45] <steve_rox> thats all i need
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[5:53] <steve_rox> pi refuses to boot now
[5:55] <steve_rox> so much for the turbo feature eh
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[5:56] <Syliss> if you hold down shift it will let you change it
[5:56] <steve_rox> im trying to get xbmc to load now
[5:56] <steve_rox> thats on another card
[5:58] <cerjam2> xbmc bugged me
[5:58] <Syliss> still prefer darkelec
[5:59] <cerjam2> havent tried that
[5:59] <cerjam2> i just decided to write my own wrapper around omxplayer
[5:59] <Syliss> I'm lazy and just use images
[6:00] <steve_rox> xbmc still seems to work
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[6:00] <cerjam2> xbmc was slow, and the webinterface was lackluster compared to what i wanted
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[6:02] <misterhat> ouch
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[6:06] <Syliss> do you have an image i can snag cerjam2 ?
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[6:12] <steve_rox> think i may have noticed the problem
[6:12] <steve_rox> theres a chunk of plasic missin from the sd
[6:12] <AC`97> ...
[6:12] <steve_rox> the pi can read it but nothing else can
[6:12] <AC`97> pics!
[6:12] <steve_rox> how the hell these things happen i wonder
[6:13] <AC`97> in solviet russia, rapsberry pi eats you!
[6:14] <steve_rox> i found fragments of plasic'
[6:14] <steve_rox> but too shattered to repair
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[6:16] <steve_rox> yay this crappy external usb card reader can read it
[6:16] <steve_rox> someone gimme their OC profile for 1ghz
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[6:18] <megatog615> steve_rox: you just set the clock speed to 1ghz
[6:19] <megatog615> steve_rox: and dont disable cpufreq
[6:20] <steve_rox> when i set it to 1ghz useing the raspi-config it crashes
[6:21] <megatog615> then yours probably cant do it
[6:21] <steve_rox> the thought did occure
[6:21] <megatog615> or you live in a desert
[6:21] <steve_rox> how annoying
[6:21] <megatog615> on mercury
[6:21] <megatog615> and your cpu is overheating
[6:22] <steve_rox> well it does have a case around it
[6:22] <megatog615> it is not overheating, i guarantee you
[6:22] <megatog615> if it goes over 85C it downlocks
[6:23] <megatog615> *downclocks
[6:23] <Syliss> they said that some boards won't be able to do it
[6:23] <megatog615> mine works \o/
[6:23] <Syliss> i should dl the image and get the file
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[6:31] <steve_rox> how do you create a shotcut in X to whatever cmd?
[6:32] <AC`97> you don't.
[6:32] <AC`97> what desktop manager? :P
[6:32] <steve_rox> eh?
[6:32] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[6:33] <AC`97> X is a checkered background with an X for a cursor.
[6:33] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[6:33] <steve_rox> well i opened up one these short cuts in notepad to find clear text commands/details
[6:34] <steve_rox> was hopeing there was a faster way to do this crap
[6:34] <Caleb> misterhat: what emulator was it you installed
[6:34] <AC`97> ??
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[6:38] <misterhat> for what
[6:38] <Caleb> nes roms and super nintendo
[6:38] <misterhat> oh
[6:38] <misterhat> retroarch
[6:38] <misterhat> been running great so far
[6:39] <Caleb> nice
[6:39] <misterhat> got halfway thru super mario world
[6:39] <misterhat> running @ 1080p
[6:39] <Caleb> usb controller?
[6:39] <misterhat> sound on SNES is screwed up atm but i'm sure it's fixable
[6:39] <misterhat> yeh
[6:39] <Caleb> i had one but not sure what happened
[6:39] <Caleb> to it
[6:39] <misterhat> it was weird to figure out how to set controller up
[6:39] <misterhat> but i got the hang of it
[6:39] <misterhat> :P
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[6:48] <Caleb> misterhat: how did you install it
[6:48] <misterhat> from source
[6:48] <misterhat> compile
[6:49] <Caleb> ahh
[6:49] <Caleb> any other emulators i could use without having to compile
[6:49] <misterhat> not really
[6:49] <misterhat> it's not that hard
[6:49] <misterhat> :P
[6:50] <misterhat> there are like 3 library dependencies you can install normally
[6:50] <misterhat> clone from git
[6:50] <misterhat> then make
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[6:56] <fujino> hey, anybody hanging here?
[6:56] <chnops> i am here
[6:57] <fujino> cool
[6:57] <fujino> this is my first time here
[6:57] <AC`97> orly
[6:57] <fujino> and i just recently got my raspbery pi up and working
[6:57] <fujino> now i'm looking for cool things to do with it lol
[6:58] <AC`97> put it in a motorcycle.
[6:58] <misterhat> put game emulators on it
[6:58] <AC`97> or put it in a motorcycle.
[6:58] <fujino> i tried a game boy emulator
[6:58] <fujino> and it ran horribly, lol
[6:59] <AC`97> gameboy advance? XD
[6:59] <misterhat> i'm running snes atm
[6:59] <fujino> which one?
[6:59] <misterhat> does GBA work?
[6:59] <misterhat> PS1 works
[6:59] <misterhat> i might overclock it
[6:59] <AC`97> s/overclock/overvolt/
[6:59] <misterhat> would 800mhz require more than 5v?
[7:00] <fujino> misterhat what snes emulator are u using?
[7:00] <misterhat> retroarch
[7:00] <fujino> oh, i saw something about that
[7:00] <AC`97> misterhat: not that type of overvolt...
[7:00] <misterhat> yeah but i'm asking
[7:01] <fujino> misterhat what distro are u using?
[7:01] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[7:01] <misterhat> AC`97: stop with the excuses
[7:01] <misterhat> :(
[7:01] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[7:01] <misterhat> fujino: raspbian
[7:01] <misterhat> but i will be running arch
[7:01] * AC`97 <3 arch
[7:02] <misterhat> AC`97: if i have issues with arch
[7:02] <misterhat> you better help me
[7:02] <fujino> AC`97 is computer illiterate, yet loves arch
[7:02] <misterhat> he is not
[7:02] <misterhat> he is a liar!
[7:02] <AC`97> ...
[7:02] * AC`97 is lying-illiterate
[7:03] <misterhat> k beat the first world
[7:03] <misterhat> of super mario world
[7:03] <misterhat> so far the pi hasn't fried
[7:03] <AC`97> . . .
[7:04] <misterhat> AC`97: where are you from
[7:04] <fujino> is retroarch playing nice with pulseaudio, misterhat?
[7:04] <misterhat> fujino: it's playing nice with alsa
[7:04] <misterhat> :P
[7:04] <misterhat> not with SNES though
[7:04] <misterhat> snes is garbley
[7:04] <AC`97> California.
[7:04] <misterhat> but i think it's fixable
[7:05] <misterhat> would arch be a performance decrease
[7:05] <fujino> do you have to install alsa seperately with raspbian?
[7:05] <misterhat> compared to raspbian?
[7:05] <misterhat> and no
[7:10] <fujino> so did you have to compile retroarch from source, misterhat?
[7:11] <misterhat> ye
[7:11] <fujino> so does tha mean as updates come, you'll have to re-compile the whole thing to get the updates?
[7:12] <misterhat> ye
[7:12] <fujino> i see
[7:12] <misterhat> unless some1 is maintaining it on aur
[7:12] <fujino> what's aur?
[7:12] <misterhat> arch user repository i think
[7:12] <fujino> i see
[7:12] <AC`97> you see
[7:13] <fujino> in which case you could add that repository to your synaptic package manager?
[7:13] <misterhat> o
[7:13] <misterhat> no
[7:13] <AC`97> O.o
[7:13] <misterhat> not with arch
[7:13] <AC`97> aur = mostly source
[7:13] <AC`97> (source code)
[7:14] <misterhat> really?
[7:14] <misterhat> i thought aur hosted binaries
[7:14] <misterhat> as well as src
[7:14] <AC`97> well, some binaries
[7:15] <AC`97> very few compared to src
[7:15] <misterhat> oh
[7:15] <misterhat> how would you know which is hosted
[7:15] <misterhat> on their website list
[7:16] <AC`97> er.. which what why where when
[7:16] <fujino> AC`97 are you using arch on raspbpi?
[7:16] <AC`97> yep.
[7:16] <misterhat> http://archlinuxarm.org/packages
[7:16] <AC`97> i use arch on everything.
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[7:16] <AC`97> before arch, i had freebsd <3
[7:17] <fujino> mmm
[7:17] <fujino> so did you compile everything on your rasp pi?
[7:17] <fujino> and how long did that take?
[7:17] <misterhat> it's not gentoo
[7:17] <misterhat> :P
[7:17] <AC`97> didn't compile anything... other than a kernel module
[7:17] <fujino> i see
[7:17] <misterhat> i had a question tho AC`97
[7:17] <misterhat> do you lose any performance by using arch
[7:18] <misterhat> instead of raspbian
[7:18] <AC`97> misterhat: how would i know? XD
[7:18] <fujino> lol
[7:18] <misterhat> o
[7:18] <AC`97> i've only been using arch
[7:18] <misterhat> guess i could test it
[7:18] <fujino> it's be cool to see some benchmark stats
[7:18] <AC`97> also, my pi has never seen a keyboard.
[7:18] <fujino> really?
[7:18] <AC`97> yes.
[7:18] <fujino> how's that?
[7:18] <AC`97> i don't have a usb keyboard anyways
[7:18] <AC`97> :P
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[7:18] <chnops> that's sad, every pi should see a keyboard at least once in their lifetime
[7:19] <misterhat> AC`97: wat you use instead
[7:19] <AC`97> so far, my pi has seen: webcam, 3 usb flash drives, 4 wifi adapters, 1 gps
[7:19] <AC`97> 1 IR module via gpio, 3 relays via gpio
[7:20] <AC`97> optical spdif via gpio
[7:20] <AC`97> piezo buzzer via gpio
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[7:20] <fujino> how do you control it?
[7:20] <AC`97> fan speed output via gpio
[7:20] <AC`97> fujino: ssh.
[7:20] <AC`97> and everything is going to be automated after i put it into my motorcycle.
[7:20] <misterhat> o ssh
[7:21] <fujino> that's cool
[7:21] <AC`97> (:
[7:21] <AC`97> fujino: http://goo.gl/JdDt1
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[7:23] <fujino> what's it gonna do in ur motorcycle?
[7:23] <AC`97> 3 wifi adapters + gps. can you guess? ^_^
[7:23] <fujino> lol
[7:24] <AC`97> 1 for local AP, one for connecting, one for sniffing.
[7:24] <fujino> lol
[7:25] <misterhat> im probably gunna make a portable
[7:25] <AC`97> oh, FUUUUUUUUUU~ D:
[7:25] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120919222005.png
[7:25] <misterhat> ya
[7:25] <AC`97> i think i just lost some data.
[7:25] <misterhat> how big of an sd card
[7:25] <fujino> man, this is pretty pimped out
[7:25] <AC`97> 8GB
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[7:25] <misterhat> same!
[7:25] <misterhat> omg
[7:26] <AC`97> not many choices out there :P
[7:26] <misterhat> quite a few
[7:26] <misterhat> 10gb
[7:26] <misterhat> 12gb
[7:26] <misterhat> 16gb
[7:26] <misterhat> 32gb
[7:26] <misterhat> the list goes on
[7:26] <misterhat> :P
[7:26] <fujino> just bought two spare 8bg cards
[7:27] <fujino> think i'm gonna put raspbmc on one of 'em
[7:27] <misterhat> o
[7:29] <fujino> i'm looking at these arch arm package list
[7:29] <fujino> it's got WPA key crackers
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[7:29] <fujino> anybody ever try that?
[7:29] <AC`97> possibly.
[7:29] <fujino> lol
[7:29] <AC`97> i'm going to write my own software though
[7:29] <fujino> is that brute-force?
[7:29] <AC`97> for real-time :D
[7:30] <AC`97> er, no clue
[7:30] <Essobi> It's going to be slow as hell cracking a WPA on an rpi.
[7:30] <fujino> that's what i was thinking
[7:30] <fujino> wouldn't that take like a year?
[7:30] <Essobi> Comparatively speaking to say... an ATI radeon 5870.
[7:30] <AC`97> mine will ship wpa handshakes off to a remote server
[7:30] <AC`97> and crack WEP on idle time
[7:30] <fujino> ohh
[7:30] <Essobi> WEPs cake.
[7:31] <fujino> thing about wi-fi passkeys is they're almost always alphanumeric
[7:31] <fujino> so prob dictionary attack would work really well
[7:31] <AC`97> mine is 1010101010 (:
[7:31] <Essobi> You might be able to do a reaver attack from a pi too.
[7:31] * AC`97 be so smart.
[7:31] <Essobi> http://code.google.com/p/reaver-wps/
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[7:32] <Essobi> AC`97: Hang a big f'ing drive off of it, and use a rainbox attack.
[7:32] <Essobi> *rainbow
[7:32] <AC`97> .....
[7:33] <Essobi> Or a big precomputed cryptohaze dictionary
[7:33] <AC`97> in my motorcycle? XD
[7:33] <fujino> how long is the keyspace on a WPA?
[7:33] <Essobi> AC`97: They make laptop drives. :D
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[7:33] <Essobi> fujino: too big
[7:33] <fujino> i se
[7:33] <fujino> e
[7:34] <Essobi> You can precompute if you know the SSID cause it's the salt so..
[7:34] <fujino> oh, really?
[7:34] <Essobi> Yup.
[7:34] <fujino> so you could rainbow table "linksys" and "belkin"
[7:34] <Essobi> last time I looked I think it was like... 2% of the world uses linksys.
[7:34] <Essobi> yup
[7:36] <Essobi> Speaking of.. I need smore radeon 5870s and a board to hold them all..
[7:37] <fujino> so for this reaver thing, you have to sniff an encoded packet, and then brute force attack it to look for probable plaintexts?
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[7:37] <fujino> (for the record, not that i would ever break into someone else's network :) )
[7:38] <AC`97> handshake. om nom nom
[7:38] <fujino> so handshake is like the initialization packet?
[7:38] <fujino> which allows you to connect?
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[7:38] <AC`97> er, no clue
[7:38] * AC`97 is wifi illiterate
[7:39] <fujino> lol
[7:39] <fujino> i would like to try to crack my own network, though
[7:39] <fujino> just to see how difficult it is
[7:39] <AC`97> i'm gonna have lots to learn when i start writing my own wifi cracking/sniffing software
[7:39] <Essobi> Yea... good luck with that.
[7:40] <AC`97> (:
[7:40] <AC`97> how2pcap with python ??
[7:40] <AC`97> i've only used python once.
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[7:40] <fujino> is python interpreted?
[7:41] <dougvj> Yes but they compile it into intermediate bytecode for faster interpretation
[7:41] <AC`97> om nom nom bytecode
[7:41] * AC`97 takes a byte
[7:42] <misterhat> ye python is nice
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[7:44] <steve_rox> makeing some progress with the OC i spose
[7:44] <fujino> ohh
[7:45] <steve_rox> got it to 970
[7:45] <fujino> the intermediate bytecode is like an optimization, dougvj?
[7:47] <misterhat> ye
[7:47] <misterhat> im gunna answer on his behalf
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[7:49] <fujino> lol, thanks
[7:49] <fujino> has anyone seen the new humble indie bundle?
[7:49] <des2> yes
[7:49] <fujino> the space pirates and zombies looks awesome
[7:50] <des2> I'm waiting to see what the surprise bonuses are
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[7:56] <fujino> so i had never used ssh until a couple of days ago, with my raspberry pi
[7:56] <fujino> i was thinking about using my raspberry pi as a jukebox, without a monitor, controlling it via ssh
[7:56] <fujino> do i need a command-line music player?
[7:57] <dougvj> You could look into MPD
[7:57] <des2> no you can run a remote windows.
[7:57] <fujino> through ssh?
[7:57] <fujino> or a different client?
[7:58] <dougvj> yes but the client has to support X forwarding
[7:58] <fujino> ohhh
[7:58] <fujino> i'm using putty
[7:58] <dougvj> Yeah that wouldnt work
[7:58] <dougvj> You could use VNC
[7:58] <fujino> oh
[7:58] <fujino> so the raspberry pi ssh server is already set up to allow that?
[7:58] <dougvj> X Forwarding? Yeah im pretty sure it is
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[7:59] <fujino> cool
[7:59] <DarkTherapy> morning all
[7:59] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_Remote_Access
[7:59] <des2> ssh -X <ip address of Rpi> -l <username on Rpi>
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[7:59] <AC`97> add an IR receiver
[8:00] <fujino> what's the -l do?
[8:00] <AC`97> login ?
[8:00] <fujino> oh
[8:00] <AC`97> ssh -X username@ip
[8:00] <DarkTherapy> what's the -X switch?
[8:01] <kim-jong> for x-forwardig
[8:01] <kim-jong> nh
[8:01] <kim-jong> ng
[8:01] <des2> For Xtra special.
[8:01] <fujino> so my raspberry pi auto-starts the ssh server
[8:01] <fujino> how do i change the configuration?
[8:01] <kim-jong> x forwarding is already enabled in raspbian default conf
[8:01] <fujino> oh
[8:01] <fujino> cool
[8:04] <fujino> thanks
[8:04] <AC`97> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-Remote-Control-w-Receiver-by-Cyberlink-J3704-/280970650480 <- these work perfect with linux if you're willing to do a little programming/scripting
[8:04] <DarkTherapy> so, I managed to fu** up my win7 laptop.. won't boot
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[8:04] <AC`97> you have to open up two input event devices and interpret the output
[8:04] <fujino> wow, that's really cheap
[8:05] <fujino> that's a usb receiver?
[8:05] <AC`97> yep
[8:05] <AC`97> i glued hexdump with a bash script to make it work :D
[8:05] <AC`97> and amazingly, the same script works for the input buttons on my usb audio dongle too... O.o
[8:06] <fujino> i was thinking about making a set-top box for my bro, and this would be perfect
[8:08] <AC`97> http://reboxed.net/tmp/remote-test.txt
[8:08] <AC`97> ph33r my computer-illiterate messyscript!
[8:09] <anticw> does raspian support CEC?
[8:09] <des2> how far into not booting does it get ?
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[8:10] <DarkTherapy> des2: the windows 7 logo, then it says it needs a repair disk.. but my win7 disk doesn't see the hard drive
[8:10] <DarkTherapy> no sata drivers
[8:11] <DarkTherapy> tried some from another disk, must have been the wrong ones though
[8:11] <tripgod> are you using your rpi to run windows 7?
[8:11] <fujino> lol
[8:11] <AC`97> . . .
[8:11] <DarkTherapy> no no
[8:11] <AC`97> windows 9?
[8:11] <tripgod> windows pi
[8:11] <AC`97> ^
[8:11] <tripgod> windows 3.14159
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[8:11] <AC`97> windows??
[8:11] <fujino> i bet windows 3.1 would run well
[8:11] <DarkTherapy> :0)
[8:12] <AC`97> someone did win3.1 already
[8:12] <AC`97> or, a few people did.
[8:12] <fujino> that's a great example of just because you can...
[8:12] <fujino> lol
[8:12] <tripgod> ha
[8:12] <tripgod> just because you can
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[8:12] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/djX2HcfZo5dS68JDOUANjvzav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[8:12] <DarkTherapy> could it be that I tried intel sata drivers rather than amd sata drivers? it's an amd laptop lol
[8:12] <AC`97> ^ because i can
[8:12] <fujino> i wonder if haiku could run on a pi
[8:13] <tripgod> Oh I wonder if
[8:13] <tripgod> Haiku could run on a Pi
[8:13] <tripgod> And end this haiku
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[8:13] <AC`97> ...
[8:13] <fujino> lol
[8:14] <tripgod> It's a haiku, AC`97
[8:14] <AC`97> indeed it is
[8:14] <tripgod> :D
[8:14] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KgxWSebOb4CPpcCLgxob2fzav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[8:14] <AC`97> ^ another "because i can"
[8:14] <fujino> lol, that one is hilarious
[8:14] <AC`97> (:
[8:14] * deffrag__ is now known as deffrag
[8:14] <fujino> light shining form it's ass
[8:15] <AC`97> i could've made it light up from both ends too...
[8:15] <AC`97> but didn't think of it at the time
[8:15] <fujino> too much time on your hands?
[8:15] <des2> lol
[8:15] <AC`97> indeed.
[8:16] <DarkTherapy> because I can: http://db.tt/EfFMbUcV
[8:16] <AC`97> now i have too much pi on my hands
[8:16] * tripgod laughs hysterically
[8:16] <des2> and too many ps/2 to usb adapters
[8:16] <AC`97> hey, they were cheap
[8:17] <AC`97> and didn't quite work XD
[8:17] <AC`97> they did work in that configuration though...
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[8:18] <fujino> that's pretty sick, DarkTherapy
[8:18] <DarkTherapy> fujino: ty
[8:19] <fujino> did you make the raspbpi housing?
[8:20] <AC`97> i believe he bought it. all the rest he did himself though
[8:20] <fujino> i still haven't figured out what i'm gonna do for a case
[8:20] <AC`97> use whatever you have :]
[8:20] <fujino> my mom JUST gave away all my lego :'(
[8:21] <AC`97> lol
[8:21] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/103853333444314240950/SpeakerHacks?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCIrwwI-nlsTf_wE
[8:21] <AC`97> ^ speakerboxen
[8:21] <AC`97> i killed a cdrom drive D:
[8:21] <fujino> this is a computer
[8:21] <AC`97> :)
[8:21] <misterhat> indeed it is
[8:22] <DarkTherapy> fujino: no I just made the bracket/USB hub holder
[8:22] <fujino> looks real slick
[8:23] <tripgod> sweet hax
[8:23] <AC`97> apple jax??
[8:23] <DarkTherapy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_HRiJ5Orv0
[8:23] <tripgod> You can install a pi in there
[8:23] <DarkTherapy> more pics^
[8:23] <AC`97> pimusicbox??
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[8:25] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/103853333444314240950/Tree?authuser=0&feat=directlink
[8:25] <AC`97> ^ tree hack.
[8:25] <tripgod> it's snowing?
[8:26] <AC`97> snowing wood. LOL
[8:26] <misterhat> lold
[8:26] <misterhat> snow in california
[8:26] <AC`97> there was so much wood snow that it clogged up my chainsaw intake
[8:26] <AC`97> and it overheated D:
[8:27] <steve_rox> wood snow?
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[8:27] <tripgod> wooden snow
[8:27] <PiRocketman> Evening all
[8:27] <AC`97> indeed.
[8:27] <AC`97> PiRocketman: eww chatzilla :P
[8:27] <PiRocketman> Anybody else playing around with the latest Raspbian with the dynamic CPU governor?
[8:28] <fujino> what's that?
[8:28] <AC`97> PiRocketman: yes. froze up my pi three times with the conservative governor. too much tweaking :P
[8:28] <AC`97> watchdoggy went woof and rebooted it all 3 times though
[8:28] <steve_rox> im makeing slow progress with OC at moment
[8:28] <PiRocketman> It doesn't seem too responsive to CPU utilization changes
[8:28] <steve_rox> increaseing it incredemetly
[8:28] <misterhat> AC`97: ur using arch tho
[8:29] <misterhat> i thought it was raspbian only
[8:29] <Tobias|> Anybody find out how much analogue audio was improved by?
[8:29] <AC`97> O.o
[8:29] <AC`97> Tobias|: a lot, after the last 2 dropped sample fixes
[8:29] <PiRocketman> Either that or their monitoring applet is delayed or something
[8:29] <AC`97> PiRocketman: watch -tn .5 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq;
[8:29] <Tobias|> hmm
[8:29] <Tobias|> I'll try setting up mpd later today, see how that goes
[8:30] <PiRocketman> I throw something intensive like media encoding at it and the cpu just sits there saying 700mhz evening though it is at 100% utilization for a couple minutes
[8:30] <AC`97> O.o
[8:30] <AC`97> it should take way less than half a second
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[8:33] <PiRocketman> K, got it refreshing the speed in a terminal
[8:33] <steve_rox> im using quake2 to benchmark/test the OC performance , is there anything more voilent for testing?
[8:33] <PiRocketman> Looks like it bounces back to 700mhz very agressively even while the cpu is pegged at 100% usage
[8:33] <AC`97> O.o
[8:33] <PiRocketman> Not impressed
[8:33] <AC`97> looks like you need some tweaking
[8:34] <PiRocketman> Is there a way to just set it constant like in old version with config.txt?
[8:34] <AC`97> something turbo mode
[8:34] <AC`97> ^
[8:34] <AC`97> or just set governor to performance
[8:34] <misterhat> AC`97: ur using arch tho
[8:34] <misterhat> i thought it was raspbian only
[8:34] <AC`97> . . .
[8:35] <PiRocketman> I have it set to turbo mode (the highest overclock setting) in raspi-config.
[8:35] <AC`97> oh. tmm
[8:35] <PiRocketman> But I don't like it bouncing all over the map like it is doing
[8:35] <steve_rox> i found the turbo mode to be useless
[8:35] <AC`97> PiRocketman: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold is set to 95%
[8:35] <PiRocketman> I want to set it to a constant 900-1000 mhz
[8:35] <steve_rox> im trying manual configure
[8:35] <AC`97> try echo 80 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold
[8:35] <steve_rox> i just hope the values im feeding into it cant damage it
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[8:36] <steve_rox> cpu at 61'c
[8:36] <AC`97> mine is at 35.78??C
[8:36] <PiRocketman> CPU temp on mine is 53c in a pretty much sealed enclosure
[8:36] <steve_rox> whats the max temp?
[8:36] <AC`97> 85 before it stops your overclock
[8:36] <PiRocketman> It was supposedly 85c according to the docs
[8:37] <steve_rox> well im not using any profile defined from config now
[8:37] <steve_rox> im haveing more sucess with manual config
[8:37] <PiRocketman> For all who are wondering what the hell we are talking about: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
[8:38] <misterhat> yeah how do you do that on arch
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[8:42] <steve_rox> wouldent it be somewhat dangerious to OC on another sd card without this latest firmware?
[8:42] <steve_rox> as it wont have the auto shutdow
[8:42] <steve_rox> n
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[8:43] <steve_rox> think ive managed to achive 1ghz
[8:43] <steve_rox> but the fps still seems not perfect in quake2
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[8:44] <steve_rox> wonder if messing with ram settings would help
[8:44] <steve_rox> not sure
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[8:50] <steve_rox> is there any cmd which will display the cpu currrent status? eg present speed
[8:51] <PiRocketman> watch -tn .5 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[8:51] <PiRocketman> That should show the current speed refreshed every .5 seconds I believe
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[8:53] <steve_rox> 1000000
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[8:54] <steve_rox> makes me wonder what unit of mesurement its using
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[9:01] <PiRocketman> probably kilohertz
[9:01] <PiRocketman> Made more sense in the early UNIX days :)
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[9:03] <AC`97> pianobar takes up lots of cpu% :|
[9:03] <AC`97> http://rpi.reboxed.net/
[9:03] <AC`97> it also makes pi hot
[9:04] <kevix> the history of computers as room heaters :)
[9:05] <kevix> maybe it could be a coffee cut heater
[9:05] <kevix> cup
[9:05] <AC`97> o.o
[9:05] <PiRocketman> There is a local telephone museum near here that has an old UNIX telco machine online via telnet
[9:05] <PiRocketman> It is amazing how many commands I know still run on a machine that is 25+ yo
[9:06] <PiRocketman> I tried to talk to a user who was logged in via another terminal session, but he apparently had never used the talk command before....
[9:06] <kevix> heh
[9:06] <kevix> it was IM before IM
[9:07] <lkthomas> guys, how could I know which keyboard type should I choose ?
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[9:08] <PiRocketman> Looks like the machine is circa 1983
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[9:08] <PiRocketman> An ATT 3B2 model 500 running DMERT System V release 2 UNIX
[9:09] <PiRocketman> You can telnet to it here: http://museumofcommunications.org/3b2/
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[9:12] <gordonDrogon> I did admin/use an old PDP11/40 running Unix v6 onceuponatime...
[9:12] <gordonDrogon> my first unix experience...
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[9:12] <gordonDrogon> c1980...
[9:13] <tripgod> PiRocketman, what's the login for telnet museumofcommunications.org ?
[9:13] <tripgod> duh nm
[9:13] <tripgod> new
[9:13] <PiRocketman> I am not sure they directly expose its IP, although it should be pretty easy to figure out....
[9:14] <PiRocketman> Have you seen the PDP11 kits that are available?
[9:14] <PiRocketman> Pretty cools, as all the hardware is now available as a ASIC
[9:14] <AC`97> museumofcommunications.org:3112
[9:14] <PiRocketman> A PDP on a chip
[9:14] * AC`97 has no java
[9:14] <tripgod> AC`97, just use telnet in terminal
[9:15] <AC`97> indeed.
[9:15] <tripgod> telnet -o museumofcommunications.org
[9:15] <AC`97> what's -o ?
[9:15] <tripgod> and login as new
[9:15] <tripgod> -o is open right?
[9:15] <Jck_true> lkthomas: Go for a basic dead simple USB one :)
[9:15] <AC`97> ...
[9:15] <tripgod> no it's not
[9:17] <tripgod> This
[9:17] <tripgod> free membership provides the students with access to the C/C++ compiler,
[9:17] <tripgod> python, perl, network utilities and much more. To see if you qualify for
[9:17] <tripgod> this program, check out the <TEACH> section of the 'faq'.
[9:18] <tripgod> woot free unix!
[9:18] <tripgod> $7/month dial up access!
[9:19] <tripgod> I even have my own email acct @sdf.org
[9:21] <tripgod> vpn
[9:21] <tripgod> vps
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[9:22] <tripgod> PiRocketman, this is the coolest thing you've shown me yet
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[9:23] <PiRocketman> My first internet access was via dial up BBS
[9:23] <tripgod> PiRocketman, are you a validated user?
[9:23] <PiRocketman> after that was a SLIP connection using a REALLY slow modem. Talking acoustic coupler here.
[9:23] <PiRocketman> validated on what?
[9:24] <tripgod> on sdf.org
[9:24] <PiRocketman> No
[9:24] <PiRocketman> I live in Seattle area near the Museum of Communications
[9:24] <PiRocketman> which was serving up that old UNIX system via telnet
[9:24] <tripgod> did you make an account with them?
[9:24] <PiRocketman> UW has some old systems too
[9:25] <PiRocketman> They did a lot of UNIX development, particularly stuff like PINE
[9:25] <PiRocketman> Hmmm, still poking away at this latest Raspbian image
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[9:25] <steve_rox> hmm pi does not seem completely stable
[9:26] <PiRocketman> If you are updating an existing install take a look at http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=17788&p=176847
[9:26] <steve_rox> i spose i have more to do
[9:26] <PiRocketman> If you want to add the better oob wifi support and whatnot
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[9:31] <PiRocketman> Balls! They install ssh on the Pi by default but not screen? How does that make any sense
[9:31] <des2> So I can have a PDP 11/45 running Unix Version 6 again ?
[9:32] <StMichel> not everyone uses ssh for connecting to IRC shell...
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[9:32] <PiRocketman> Hmm, looks like the kits might be PDP8's and not 11's
[9:32] <des2> So RSTS then...
[9:32] <PiRocketman> http://www.grc.com/pdp-8/pdp-8.htm
[9:34] <des2> The PDP 8 people are like the Amiga lovers.
[9:34] <PiRocketman> I am using Chatzilla, not a *nix command line IRC client to connect right now. I am rebooting my pi too often for it to be worth my while :)
[9:34] <PiRocketman> You see the guy who built his own Cray 1?
[9:34] <des2> heh no
[9:35] <bluefirecorp> I wish I knew more about unix to build a HA cluster.
[9:35] <bluefirecorp> erm, *nix, not unix.. lol
[9:35] <PiRocketman> http://www.chrisfenton.com/homebrew-cray-1a/
[9:35] <Mr_Sheesh> His own cray 1? That'd take some serious work
[9:35] <des2> Clustering isn't that hard anymore
[9:36] <des2> The people at Southampton University did it and they don't even know what a supercomputer is,.
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[9:36] <tripgod> irssi all the way baby
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[9:36] <bluefirecorp> des2, cluster with HA and super simple to deploy. Also, the cluster makes a nice resource pool that can be allocated in real-time, easily.
[9:36] <PiRocketman> bitchx!
[9:37] <bluefirecorp> Making pretty much containers, I think that'd be pretty cool.
[9:37] <des2> I think they call that 'cloud computing' now
[9:37] <des2> Google has shipping container modules.
[9:37] <bluefirecorp> well, amazon ec2 stuff is pretty neat, but still. And I'm not talking those types of containers.
[9:37] <bluefirecorp> More like openvz containers.
[9:38] <des2> OTICE! Every previous production run of Bob's unique PDP-8 kit have always
[9:38] <des2> sold out completely (and quickly).
[9:38] <des2> If everyone you make sells out fast, why don't you make even more ?
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[9:39] <PiRocketman> The guy's working Cray model fits on his desk and is implemented in an FPGA.
[9:41] <des2> How does a Cray compare to the modern Intel CPUs ?
[9:41] <PiRocketman> My first exposure to irc was through a friend who connected to the internet via a slirp connection and he showed me bitchx
[9:42] * Weaselweb recommends quassel, especially if you have a dedicated irc connection host,e.g. bouncer or irc client in screen
[9:43] <PiRocketman> The Cray 1 was about 80 Mflops
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[9:44] <des2> According to the current Top 10 Android Linpack results, a tweaked Motorola Droid is capable of scoring 52 Mflop/s which is over 15 times faster than the 1979 Cray 1 CPU.
[9:45] <des2> http://www.walkingrandomly.com/?p=2684
[9:45] <PiRocketman> Current desktop CPUs are in the 100 gigaflop range.
[9:45] <trevorman> des2: that article is ancient
[9:46] <des2> he system had limited parallelism It could fetch one instruction per clock cycle, operate on multiple instructions in parallel, and retire up to two every cycle. Its theoretical performance was thus 160 MIPS (80 MHz x 2 instructions), although there were a few limitations that made floating point performance generally about 136 MFLOPS. However, by using vector instructions carefully and building u
[9:46] <des2> seful chains, the system could peak at 250 MFLOPS.
[9:46] <des2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-1
[9:47] <bluefirecorp> Graphics cards are much faster :P
[9:47] <des2> So modern CPUs are about 1000 faster.
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> when you can program then.
[9:48] <PiRocketman> Have to install a lot of packages for quassel
[9:48] <PiRocketman> trying to keep my Raspbian install think and light as possible
[9:48] <gordonDrogon> I've worked for supercomputer companies in the past - one thing I have heard many times is "I have this 30 year old program -make it go faster"
[9:48] <gordonDrogon> people need to learn new programming techniques to make the best use, but often they don't/won't - relying on faster hardware and customer libraries.
[9:49] <bluefirecorp> An AMD 7970 is 3.79 TFLOPS Single Precision compute power..
[9:49] <bluefirecorp> OR 947 GFLOPS Double Precision compute power??
[9:49] <bircoe> according to the below site my Core i5 2400 is 1746 MFLOPS
[9:49] <gordonDrogon> which is ok up to a point if your code uses things like libpack,blas, etc.
[9:49] <bircoe> http://www.netlib.org/benchmark/linpackjava/
[9:50] <bircoe> oh wait now 2149
[9:50] <bluefirecorp> bircoe: Java is a horrible, horrible benchmark language.
[9:50] <des2> I'm about 700 Mflops on the java one.
[9:50] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: easy to increase performance. after accepting full payment, you open up the main cabinet and cut the jumper which corresponds to the upgrade that was purchased >.>
[9:50] <bircoe> i know... was just curious
[9:51] <bluefirecorp> Graphics cards blow CPUs away at raw calculations btw :)
[9:51] <des2> i5-760 quad core 2.8G
[9:53] <PiRocketman> AC97, doing echo 80 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold didn't work for me
[9:53] <AC`97> :|
[9:53] <PiRocketman> I get permission denied even when sudo
[9:53] <AC`97> oh. duh
[9:53] <AC`97> echo 80 | sudo tee /sys/dev.....
[9:54] <cerjam> quick question: omxplayer controls volume on raspbian with +/-, im curious if theres a global way of controlling volume outside of the player
[9:54] <AC`97> alsamixer
[9:55] <bluefirecorp> Anyone got any info on these? http://www.calxeda.com/technology/products/processors/ecx-1000-series/
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[9:56] <PiRocketman> AC97, where do I get alsamixer? Doesn't look like a package name?
[9:56] <cerjam> aslamixer seems to have no effect on the omxplayer audio
[9:57] <AC`97> in archlinux, there's a alsa-utils that has alsamixer
[9:57] <PiRocketman> Is omxplayer currently the only video player that can use the hardware acceleration?
[9:57] <AC`97> cerjam: hdmi?
[9:57] <cerjam> yes
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[9:58] <booyaa> greets
[9:58] <AC`97> cerjam: then perhaps there's no actual volume control... maybe
[9:58] <AC`97> cerjam: have you tried hitting F6 in alsamixer?
[9:58] <cerjam> yap
[9:58] <AC`97> perhaps it's listed as another card
[9:58] <PiRocketman> appears to be installed by default in Raspbian
[9:59] <PiRocketman> Wish there was a nice little X applet for LCDE
[9:59] <PiRocketman> LXDE
[9:59] <AC`97> psh, who needs little graphics
[9:59] <AC`97> :P
[9:59] <PiRocketman> AC96, I didn't understand your echo 80 comment
[9:59] <AC`97> echo 80 | sudo tee output.file
[10:00] <AC`97> because sudo echo 80 > output.file still tries to write to output.file as your user
[10:00] <PiRocketman> ah, never used the tee command before, reading the man on it now
[10:00] <AC`97> (:
[10:01] <des2> you're doing plumbing now
[10:01] <des2> Pipefitting
[10:01] <cerjam> man a tee.
[10:01] <AC`97> i sleep now. good night!
[10:01] <AC`97> ZZzzZzzzz
[10:01] <cerjam> thanks for trying to help, AC`97
[10:01] <PiRocketman> Does that persist through a reboot
[10:01] <AC`97> (:
[10:02] <AC`97> PiRocketman: no.
[10:02] <AC`97> does it work ??
[10:02] <cerjam> so uh guys
[10:02] <cerjam> should i buy another rpi.
[10:02] <PiRocketman> It accepted the command
[10:02] <PiRocketman> got to test it
[10:02] <des2> Have you blown up your first one ?
[10:03] <cerjam> nope
[10:03] <des2> then no
[10:03] <cerjam> its just taken over 100% of mediapc duty
[10:03] <PiRocketman> still seems to jump back down to 700mhz really easily even though the CPU is basically pegged at 100%
[10:03] <cerjam> which means i cant play with it nomore =(
[10:04] <des2> Well we'll say you 'lost' it then
[10:04] <PiRocketman> Is there a way to give it a damping interval, so that it doesn't return to 700 if the cpu has been at a trigger utilization in the last x seconds for instance?
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[10:04] <AC`97> PiRocketman: no.. but you can always write your own governor
[10:04] <PiRocketman> Seems almost useless for adapting to changing load conditions right now.
[10:04] <AC`97> possibly in bash (LOL)
[10:05] * cerjam waves hand
[10:05] <cerjam> im using bash!
[10:05] <cerjam> lmfao
[10:05] <PiRocketman> Ah, the old if you don't like it write your own answer....
[10:05] <des2> you need a moving Load average to triggr it
[10:05] <PiRocketman> The joys of being a participant in open source....
[10:05] <AC`97> look in /proc for some cpu usage stats
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[10:05] <AC`97> hello, Rob Morrissey
[10:06] <AC`97> also, good night!
[10:06] * AC`97 wanders off
[10:06] <PiRocketman> I went and laser cut a case similar to adafruit's design last night
[10:06] <PiRocketman> Sure enough, my modmypi case order arrived today
[10:07] <PiRocketman> So I have two cases atm. Figure I should just use it as an excuse to order another Pi
[10:07] <cerjam> do it, do it
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[10:07] <cerjam> i want to buy 4 or 5, even though i have no uses for that many theyre just so neat
[10:07] <bircoe> seems like a reasonable excuse to me...
[10:07] <AC`97> Pifarm
[10:08] <cerjam> i wish my tv had picture in picture
[10:08] <PiRocketman> I also have half a sheet of acrylic leftover from cutting the case, so maybe I'll cut another and then order 2 Pi's. All I need is the excuse....
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[10:08] <PiRocketman> I am hopeless
[10:09] <cerjam> .
[10:09] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RASPBERRY-PI-MODEL-B-BOARD-ONLY-COMPUTER-83T1943-/380473672724?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5895ff8414
[10:09] <des2> They raised the shipping by $1
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[10:10] <des2> (was $2 last time)
[10:10] <cerjam> PiRocketman, you're not hopeless. i am: http://cerjam.net/phonehax/thecollection_3.jpg
[10:10] <cerjam> this is what i do when i find something i like and is cheap.
[10:10] <des2> lol
[10:10] <des2> I'd hate to see your phone bill...
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[10:10] <PiRocketman> OMG, you are a phone hoarder!
[10:10] <bircoe> your a nutter :)
[10:11] <PiRocketman> You should be on TV!
[10:11] <cerjam> im off my rocker.
[10:11] <cerjam> also, 3$ shipping?
[10:11] <PiRocketman> Someone needs to do an intervention....
[10:11] <cerjam> me like this.
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[10:12] <PiRocketman> Shit, thats a big rackmount. I had an old 7U compaq server with a 14 disk raid array running my server until recently.
[10:12] <des2> What phone model are most of those cerjam ?
[10:12] <PiRocketman> Now I have my webserver running off an atom box consuming under 30w
[10:12] <cerjam> its a quad cpu 800mhz xeon p3 with 4gb of ram
[10:12] <cerjam> i paid 60$ for it in 2007
[10:12] <cerjam> powered it on for one weekend, never touched it since
[10:13] <cerjam> HTC harrier @ des2
[10:13] <PiRocketman> I confess to a minor PDA museum myself
[10:13] <PiRocketman> Still have a number of Pilot (pre palm) PDAs and an Apple Newton
[10:14] <cerjam> i saw palm pre
[10:14] <cerjam> and was like ohey i had that phone!
[10:14] <cerjam> still do, dog cracked the lcd though.
[10:14] <des2> I'm prevented from hording cumputer equipment as it depreciates too quickly.
[10:14] <PiRocketman> I kinda want an unlocked GSM Palm Veer to give to my father. He is a hopeless technophobe. His phone is currently an original model razor
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[10:15] <PiRocketman> but it is not long for this world. He wants something small and dead simple to use.
[10:15] <cerjam> have you looked at a moto f3
[10:15] <PiRocketman> Quite a lot of IPAD / WinCE phones there
[10:15] <cerjam> eink screen
[10:16] <cerjam> i have a razr in my desk, for a dumbphone i like it
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[10:18] <PiRocketman> F3 is interesting
[10:18] <cerjam> newegg used to have them for like 15bux, i wish i had grabbed a few
[10:19] <PiRocketman> I almost wanted to get him a John's Phone, but I think he would take it as an insult. http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/06/johns-phone-review-the-worlds-simplest-cellphone/
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[10:21] <cerjam> i like it!
[10:21] <Jck_true> PiRocketman: Acrylic + 4wire touch screen + Arduino + Engraved icons + Custom software ;)
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[10:22] <bircoe> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/27/mit-makes-wooden-cell-pho_n_1458859.html
[10:22] <bircoe> simpler :P
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[10:23] <bircoe> one of the MIT guys in possesion of that needs to go stand in line for the iPhone launch and ask how peopl elike the new iPhone 5
[10:24] <Pickley> And film it as a Samsung ad?
[10:24] <Pickley> :P
[10:24] <bircoe> :)
[10:25] <PiRocketman> People have been going into Apple store with their Samsung phones asking for help with their Iphones
[10:25] <PiRocketman> When the genius tells them its not an iphone they remark back "well, I can't tell em apart."
[10:25] <PiRocketman> hahahaah
[10:26] <bircoe> lol
[10:26] <bircoe> i should do that
[10:26] <des2> ha ha
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[10:26] <bircoe> if only we had an Apple store
[10:26] <Lexip> HAHA
[10:26] <PiRocketman> Nothing better than trolling an apple employee....
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[10:26] <nid0> I rather suspect if I did that with my n9 i'd get as blank a look in an apple store as a nokia store
[10:26] <bircoe> excuse me mr genius... why does my iPhone say HTC???
[10:27] <PiRocketman> I wish I had gotten my hands on an N9
[10:27] <PiRocketman> I ran every Nokia tablet before that and the N900 was my cell until about a month ago
[10:27] <nid0> as a swish gimmick its brilliant, as a phone that can actually do things, its... not so great
[10:27] <bircoe> I rocked an N899 for a while...till I decided I need something faster
[10:28] <bircoe> 900 rather
[10:28] <bircoe> !!!
[10:28] <bircoe> total tard today
[10:28] <bircoe> started with sleeping right up until I was supposed to leave for work.
[10:28] <PiRocketman> As unused as the 9 key on a microwave....
[10:28] <PiRocketman> 999999
[10:29] <nid0> I use my n9 and my other half has a lumia 800, and frankly those smoked by windows phone ads are so true, there's basically nothing that we ever reasonably want to do with our phones that mine can do half as fast
[10:29] <PiRocketman> http://xkcd.com/1103/
[10:30] <Jck_true> nid0: What?!?! You saying you don't h.264 encode serveal blueray streams on your Quad core arm cell phone?!?
[10:30] <PiRocketman> I currently have a Galaxy Nexus running Jellybean. I love it, but miss the physical keyboard of the NITs (not so much the one on the N900, which sucked).
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[10:31] <nid0> yeah I came to an n900 from an E90, n900's keyboard was a dreadful experience in comparison
[10:31] <nid0> Jck_true: er, what?
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[10:32] <PiRocketman> I would love some of the motorola phones with their 5 row keyboards, but I am on T-mobile and no way in hell am I switching to Sprint
[10:33] <PiRocketman> What do people think about an unlocked Palm Veer as a simple small phone for my da?
[10:33] <PiRocketman> He doesn't need data connectivity and I like the idea of wireless charging via the touchstone system.
[10:33] <cerjam> PiRocketman, i had the pre
[10:33] <cerjam> the touchstone is fantastic
[10:34] <cerjam> i /really/ didnt want to go back to cabled charging.
[10:34] <nid0> I love the wireless charding on my touchpad
[10:34] <nid0> amazed that this hasnt taken off tbh
[10:34] <nid0> considering it costs like 2p to build in a qi induction loop into a phone
[10:34] <cerjam> i have my touchpad sitting under my monitor
[10:35] <cerjam> total use time: <10h.
[10:35] <nid0> mine gets used all the time
[10:35] <cerjam> for..what? i cant find a /use/
[10:35] <PiRocketman> What HP did to Palm was a travesty
[10:35] <cerjam> tru that
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[10:36] <PiRocketman> I met Jeff Hawkins a few times back in the day.
[10:36] <nid0> cerjam: convenient browsing around the home, my partner playing Sparkle in bed, a portable media device, roughly in that order
[10:36] <cerjam> see id rather use my eee for all of those
[10:36] <PiRocketman> Do you have it running webos, or did you slap android on it?
[10:36] <cerjam> i also have a kindle fire, 7" much easier to use than 10", 10" is flipping huge
[10:37] <nid0> i've stuck with webos, the only thing thatd lure me to change to android is a larger catalogue of games
[10:37] <nid0> 10" is by far my preferred size over 7 tbh, personal preference I guess
[10:37] <PiRocketman> I do a lot of couch sufing/media consumption on my Ipad 3 / "The new iPad"
[10:38] <PiRocketman> Who the F came up with that as a model name?
[10:38] <PiRocketman> All the accessory makers are labeling their stuff "works with the new iPad"
[10:38] <cerjam> O_o i own no apple products. it makes me happy.
[10:38] <nid0> gonna be interesting when the next even newer ipad comes along
[10:38] <des2> Wouln't the 7 or 8 button be even more neglected ?
[10:39] <PiRocketman> which pretty much guarantees that as soon as they actually do come out with a new one that their will be a hoard of end users trying to plug round pegs into square holes....
[10:39] <PiRocketman> I am a computing omnivore
[10:39] <PiRocketman> I eat it all
[10:39] <cerjam> should i buy that 2nd rpi =(
[10:40] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RASPBERRY-PI-MODEL-B-BOARD-ONLY-COMPUTER-83T1943-/380473672724
[10:41] <Syliss> i own a 2008 mbp and iPhone 4s. i won't buy a windows machine again
[10:41] <cerjam> who buys windows machines?
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[10:41] <Iota> Lots of people.
[10:41] <Syliss> hobos?
[10:42] <PiRocketman> Is there someplace in the US I can order a Pi from that will ensure I get a rev2 board?
[10:42] <cerjam> what kind of person in this room would purchase a premade!
[10:42] <cerjam> i want a rev2 as well.
[10:42] <des2> People that like games.
[10:42] <cerjam> maybe i should wait for that.
[10:42] <nid0> cerjam: well, im not planning on building my own Surface
[10:42] <cerjam> des2, i meant a prebuilt with windows on it.
[10:43] <cerjam> id expect most people to build their own if theyre working with the rpi
[10:43] <Syliss> i only use laptops now, so have to be prebuilt....
[10:43] <cerjam> i like the apple power connector for their laptops, thats about it
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[10:44] <PiRocketman> Yeah, magsafe is a great idea that should be licensed for use on virtually all consumer electronics
[10:44] <Syliss> no kidding
[10:44] <des2> I would think Element 14 would have version 2.
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[10:45] <PiRocketman> the reduction in breakage on laptops in particular would be nice and better fire safety would SAVE LIVES
[10:45] <des2> They were so backlogged they seem unlikely to have version 1 inventory left.
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[10:45] <PiRocketman> My old model came from Element 14 like a week ago...
[10:45] <cerjam> isnt element14 the same as newark
[10:45] <PiRocketman> Granted who knows when it shipped
[10:45] <des2> Yes
[10:46] <cerjam> mine came from there 2 weeks ago, shipped day after i placed hte order
[10:46] <cerjam> rev1
[10:46] <des2> Interesting
[10:46] <Syliss> element14 is the usa division
[10:46] <des2> Newark is the USA division of Element 14
[10:47] <PiRocketman> http://www.element14.com/community/message/60453#60453/l/re-revision-20-boards
[10:47] <PiRocketman> "the majority of the boards we expect to ship in September will still be rev 1 boards"
[10:47] <des2> Interesting Rocketman
[10:48] <cerjam> ill hold off i suppose.
[10:48] <des2> Must be inventory still in the pipe from China
[10:51] <PiRocketman> All the rev 2 boards are being made in UK, correct?
[10:51] <Syliss> no
[10:52] <Syliss> just some of the boards will
[10:54] <cerjam> i ust want that reset button
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[10:55] <PiRocketman> They don't actually include a button, just a spot on the board for one?
[10:55] <cerjam> yeah i was reading that, thats a shame
[10:55] <PiRocketman> I find it ridiculous that they didn't include at least a pinheader for a reset switch
[10:55] <PiRocketman> but I find many things about the Pi rediculous
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[10:55] <PiRocketman> Like puting connectors on all four sides of the board
[10:56] <PiRocketman> and not putting mounting holes at the four corners
[10:57] <PiRocketman> or not recessing the SD slot
[10:57] <PiRocketman> crappy power supply issues
[10:57] <cerjam> power off/on was my biggest issue
[10:57] <PiRocketman> minimal USB output / polyfuse induced issues
[10:58] <PiRocketman> They are on rev 2, but they really need a completely redesigned board
[10:58] <PiRocketman> I hope they create a Pi 2 using a better SoC in a year or two
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[10:59] <PiRocketman> An Allwinner A10 with 512MB or a GB of ram and a accelerated X server would be really nice....
[11:02] <Syliss> and put all the ports on a max of 2 sides, not all four!
[11:02] <FR^2> There are already some others that try to give alternatives to raspi with more power.
[11:04] <des2> It's called the Cubieboard Rockerman. $50.
[11:05] <PiRocketman> Yeah, I know
[11:05] <des2> 512 really would be nice though
[11:05] <PiRocketman> But I would rather something through the Pi organization. They have the street cred to make large numbers and sell them cheap
[11:06] <PiRocketman> There have been like 100 cubieboards made so far and there is basically no documentation.
[11:06] <PiRocketman> Their whole site is basically one big "this section will be completed when we are done with more important stuff"
[11:07] <PiRocketman> which is pretty much my read for NEVER
[11:07] <cerjam> the rpi has community, which when doing anything haxish is rather important
[11:07] <des2> They've released the schematics.
[11:08] <des2> The Pi will have much better community
[11:08] <PiRocketman> Where are schematics?
[11:09] <FR^2> cerjam: ack
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[11:10] <des2> http://dl.cubieboard.org/hardware/cubieboard_schematic_2012-08-08.pdf
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[11:11] <cerjam> FR^2: quack
[11:15] <PiRocketman> Its good that they've release some documentation, but that is a far cry from having actual distros available for download and a community of active users and developers
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[11:17] <des2> indeed
[11:17] <dunfy> Hi guys, where can I find the changelog for the raspberrypi firmware?
[11:17] <FR^2> cerjam: ? quack-quack? ;)
[11:17] <Weaselweb> des2: eh, no JTAG- signals?
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[11:19] <ech0s7> where can i find how-to configure a toolchain for raspberry pi ?
[11:19] <ech0s7> on osx or linux
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[11:22] <des2> Not that I'm aware Weaselweb.
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[11:23] <Weaselweb> uh, too bad. happy debugging
[11:23] <sam> ech0s7: for cross-compiling?
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[11:24] <ech0s7> yes sam
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[11:26] <sam> this is how I do it: http://lol.zoy.org/wiki/dev/setup/raspi-cross-builder
[11:26] <sam> but it's far from perfect
[11:30] <ech0s7> ok thanks sam
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[11:40] <PiRocketman> Has anyone else been able to get Quake3 to run stably through a demo after applying any of the overclocking settings?
[11:41] <PiRocketman> I thought I saw one of the Quake3 compilers talk about how Quake3 is particularly sensitive to GPU speed changes
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[11:43] <ech0s7> sam: i'm using archlinux, but it's the same, i do the right changes
[11:43] <ech0s7> thanks!
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[11:47] <sam> PiRocketman: when I tried Quake3 it looked CPU bound to me, not GPU bound
[11:47] <PiRocketman> My problem is it crashes a 3-4 seconds after starting a demo
[11:48] <PiRocketman> Maybe there is a better build available? I think I've tried them all
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> anyone seen a Pi crash and then repeatedly spew forth hex numbers to the console - looks like it's dumping a 64KB area of RAM over and over again...
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> I have a Pi that crashes and does this. Becomes unresponsive to the keyboard or network - needs a power cycle )-:
[11:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> got a picture ?
[11:50] <RaTTuS|BIG> I've not seen that sort of crash before now ?
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> I can take a photo...
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> well, I will take a photo the next time it happens - I turned it off - just powered it up - it does it by itself...
[11:52] <gordonDrogon> after a random period of time..
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[11:53] <dax_roc> Morning all
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[11:53] <Lexip> Yo
[11:54] <gordonDrogon> Yo? Yesterday be speak like a pirate day...
[11:54] <Lexip> Yesterday my greeting of choice was "Ahoy, matey!"
[11:54] <Lexip> Or simple: "Arrr!"
[11:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> today is the 1st day of autum
[11:55] <dunfy> This new 'turbo mode' how do we go about using it?
[11:55] <dunfy> nevermind, found the forum post
[11:55] <Lexip> Today is a normal day, and on a normal day, we're cool, because we're engineers/developers, hence the "yo"!
[11:55] <Lexip> Link it dunfy! :)
[11:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> then sudo raspbi-config
[11:55] <dunfy> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=17788&p=176847
[11:55] <dax_roc> Has anyone documented adjusting the resolution on raspbian, I'm using a hdmi - vga adapter and getting out of range?
[11:55] <RaTTuS|BIG> then update that
[11:56] <dunfy> yeah, it was the raspbi-config I was missing
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[11:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> ^ yeah may need to update that from the menus
[11:56] <dunfy> Although I'm not holding my breath, I can't get this thing above 900 without fucking up
[11:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> then it offers the turbo mode options
[11:57] * RaTTuS|BIG works @ 940 but not above - I may have a play with hand crafting some bits
[11:57] <RaTTuS|BIG> umm need to downlaod quake to test really
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[11:58] <trevorman> dax_roc: http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt not all the resolutions actually work. the ones higher than 1920x1200 don't and some of the reduced blanking ones may not as well.
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[12:01] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream <- I know it's not RPI related but it's still cool
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[12:01] <dunfy> The annoying thing is when I overclock and it crashes, it currupts my sd card.
[12:02] <dunfy> Unable to locate package raspi-config - well crap
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[12:06] <Fleck> RaTTuS|BIG still image there
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[12:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> This video is only available when the space station is in contact with the ground. During "loss of signal" periods, viewers may see a test pattern or a graphical world map that depicts the station???s location in orbit above the Earth ...
[12:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> wait 5 mins or so
[12:10] <PiRocketman> I am pretty sure I am using the binaries for Quake 3 from http://www.apt-e.org/raspberry/Quake3.zip
[12:10] <PiRocketman> Seems very crashy at anything other than default frequency and even then not that stable
[12:10] <Fleck> armel dosn't have turbo update yet?
[12:10] <PiRocketman> What is weird to me is that it always seems to crash at same point
[12:10] <PiRocketman> nope, just the hard float distro
[12:10] <Fleck> and will not have?
[12:11] <Fleck> or will later?
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> it's crashed again:
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/crash.jpg
[12:11] <PiRocketman> think they are just building it
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> it's scrolling that up the screen fairly rapidly. occasionally the ?'s change, but ...
[12:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> gordonDrogon no never seen that one
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[12:12] <gordonDrogon> it's running standard Debian Squeeze with my own compiled kernel - same kernel I have on 2 other Raspbian Pi's.
[12:12] <PiRocketman> I just think it is funny that they mention recommending using Quake3 to test the stability of the new turbo modes, but Quake3 seems unstable with any overclocking, period.
[12:12] <PiRocketman> and I know that isn't just the particulars of my board
[12:12] <trevorman> config.txt has an option called current_limit_override which is related to turbo mode. no documentation on it tho...
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[12:16] <dax_roc> trevorman: appreciate it
[12:16] <Fleck> RaTTuS|BIG 10min, still still image :D
[12:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah I dont knwo how long it's out ..... damnit
[12:17] <trevorman> anybody got a rpi handy? there are mentions of an option called measure_volts along with the measure_temp and measure_clock we know about. obv do this at your own risk blah blah
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[12:18] <Fleck> RaTTuS|BIG yay, got video! :D
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ raspberrypi: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_volts
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> volt=1.20V
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ raspberrypi: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> error=2 error_msg="Invalid arguments"
[12:22] <PiRocketman> Does anyone have a build of Q3 that seems stable under the new overclocking system?
[12:23] <dunfy> gordonDrogon: it needs to be measure_<clock> where clock can be core, gpu etc
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ raspberrypi: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock arm
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> frequency(45)=699998000
[12:23] <dunfy> ah yeah
[12:23] <dunfy> hah
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ raspberrypi: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock gpu
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> frequency(0)=0
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[12:23] <gordonDrogon> gpu isn't recognised - it says zero when you give it anythin it doesn't recognise.
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> so arm and core so-far...
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ raspberrypi: strings -a start.elf | fgrep measure
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> measure_temp
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> measure_clock
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> measure_volts
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> looks like that's yer lot...
[12:26] <trevorman> yeah
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ raspberrypi: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd commands
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> commands="vcos, ap_output_control, ap_output_post_processing, pm_set_policy, pm_get_status, pm_show_stats, pm_start_logging, pm_stop_logging, version, commands, set_vll_dir, led_control, set_backlight, set_logging, get_lcd_info, set_bus_arbiter_mode, cache_flush, otp_dump, codec_enabled, measure_clock, measure_volts, measure_temp, hdmi_ntsc_freqs, render_bar, disk_notify, inuse_notify, sus_suspend, sus_status, sus_is_enabled, sus_stop_te
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> st_thread, egl_platform_switch, file, vctest_memmap, vctest_start, vctest_stop, vctest_set, vctest_get"
[12:26] <dunfy> http://www.elinux.org/RPI_vcgencmd_usage
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> reading the manual is soooo boring ;-)
[12:27] <dunfy> hmm looks like xbian doesn't support raspi-config yet
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[12:28] <Jck_true> dunfy: And that tool is amazingly well documented ;)
[12:28] <dunfy> eh
[12:29] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: get_lcd_info - I think I missed the part in the specs mentioning an LCD device :D
[12:29] <trevorman> Jck_true: the DSI connector
[12:29] <Jck_true> trevorman: I figured :)
[12:30] <Jck_true> I hope they get something worked out for that soon - I got atleast 3 laptop screens at home
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[12:30] <trevorman> ehhh. expect to be underwhelmed then. it is quite likely going to be support for only very specific displays.
[12:30] <Jck_true> trevorman: I know :(
[12:31] <trevorman> also laptops don't use DSI
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[12:31] <Jck_true> been considering getting one of thoose generic converter boxes - But paying more than a 23" inch brand new monitor than you would for a converter box seems stupid
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[12:32] <trevorman> yeah. the converter boards are way too expensive
[12:33] <trevorman> low volume market and they know that if you need one then you can't work around it so they can charge what they like
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[12:35] <gordonDrogon> a-ha. http://unicorn.drogon.net/crash2.jpg it's finally stopped scrolling.
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> Jck_true, future expansion???
[12:35] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: it is deeply unhappy if its panicing constantly
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's a bit weird.
[12:36] <Jck_true> gordonDrogon: Just day dreaming - A tiny 5$ PCB that would convert the DSI intoa unversal plug that would fit every scraped LCD laptop screen i got laying at home :D
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> same kernel, /boot is fine on 2 other Pis though.
[12:37] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: same USB devices?
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> maybe time to abandon Debian on it and move it to Raspbian though. if could of-course be something to with with the kernel not being 100% as compatible with debian soft-fp as I thought.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> just a keyboard, but it often crashes with no keyboard plugged in anyway.
[12:38] <trevorman> Jck_true: technically you could do that and probably for not very much either. a big FPGA on a board. verilog code not included :D
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[12:39] <Jck_true> trevorman: And in reality it's gonna cost 299USD be 6 times the size of the rasp berry and only support one specific LCD panel
[12:39] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: that kernel must be pretty old?
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, it's Linux pi0 3.2.23+ #3 PREEMPT Wed Jul 18 17:56:26 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> one I compiled myself.
[12:39] <trevorman> some of the converter boards are programmable for different panel types but 90% of them will be panels you've never heard of, can't find evidence of them existing at all online and you can't buy anyway
[12:40] <trevorman> yup. i've tried to buy raw panels before :|
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[12:41] <Jck_true> The panels are allright to buy - I've bought a few laptop replacements ones - Pretty cheap - if you know the model numbers and willing too look around
[12:41] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: this mentions the same error http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=7022&start=25 but it should have been fixed at the end of June
[12:41] <trevorman> the problem in that thread is related to USB. not sure what is causing yours as you don't have function names.
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[12:42] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, intersting... maybe time to grab a new kernel source tree.
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[12:46] <dax_roc> Are there any digitizer drivers in default raspbian ?
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[12:51] <dunfy> Anybody know how to find out what version of xbian is running?
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[12:52] <gordonDrogon> dax_roc, what sort of digitizers? Scanners are all mostly handled in user-land now..
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[12:55] <Elspuddy> hello :)
[12:56] <Gadgetoid> Coming up to 60k!!! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1703567677/icontrolpad-2-the-open-source-controller
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[12:59] <Elspuddy> how do i access this turbo speed on the pi ?
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[13:03] <des2> You can now choose from one of five overclock presets in raspi-config,
[13:03] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=17788&p=176847
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[13:07] <dax_roc> gordonDrogon: sorry, touchscreen, (resistive)
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> is there a UK version of kickstarted?
[13:07] <RaYmAn> kickstarter announced they'll add UK support sometime fairly soon
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[13:08] <Elspuddy> thanks des2
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> interesting. looks like it works...
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> I presume kickstarted themselves charge a tiny bit to host it all..
[13:11] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: yeah, kickstarter take a fee
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[13:11] <Gadgetoid> iControlPad2 is a painful journey at the moment, it could swing either way- although we haven't had a bad start
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[13:20] <kcunning> Twelve dollars for shipping? I'm curious, Gadgetoid, why not just add that to the pledge price, and ask the rest of the world to add $6? That's how I normally see it.
[13:21] <Gadgetoid> kcunning: It's manufactured in, and shipped from the UK
[13:22] <Gadgetoid> So adjusting pledge prices for US shipping would mean everyone else pays over the odds??? bit of a pain really, and also I didn't have much say in the kickstarter reward tiers
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> not sure I have a use for a bluetooth gaming keypad ..
[13:23] <kcunning> Gadgetoid: From what I'm reading here, everyone is paying shipping. If UK isn't paying, you might want to say that.
[13:23] <Elspuddy> hmm, can i mix squeeze and wheezy packages ?
[13:24] <Gadgetoid> kcunning: Interesting point, actually, it doesn't mention the UK
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[13:24] <Gadgetoid> kcunning: Oh wait, Europe :D
[13:24] <kcunning> So, everyone pays.
[13:24] <Gadgetoid> kcunning: Actually, very sound point- the $12 should be added in and $8 surcharge for rest of the world
[13:25] <kcunning> :)
[13:25] <Gadgetoid> kcunning: I'll see if it can be changed
[13:26] <des2> I wouldn't mix OS version stuff.
[13:26] <kcunning> Excellent :) I'll be watching this for RPi projects, Gadgetoid
[13:26] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: you can't change the tiers once they've been set
[13:27] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: Balls, that'd be why they haven't changed already then!
[13:27] <trevorman> yeah
[13:27] <Gadgetoid> Technically it's not so much a change as a clarification, but as it requires a change to the monetary value I guess we're mullered
[13:27] <trevorman> fraid so
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[13:28] <Gadgetoid> Changing the text might help clarify that, though, will see what can be done
[13:28] <Gadgetoid> The FAQs seem a bit lost at the bottom there
[13:28] <trevorman> can't change text either :x
[13:28] <trevorman> once set the tier has to stay at that price with that text
[13:29] <Gadgetoid> trevorman: Mean the description of the project, which can be changed
[13:29] <Gadgetoid> I know the tier text can't be changed
[13:29] <trevorman> ahh
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[13:30] <trevorman> annoying you can't change it but I guess it makes for less headaches in the long run and avoids scams
[13:30] <Gadgetoid> True, that!
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[13:47] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: measure_volts has an optional argument as well. core (what you get if you don't specify), sdram_p, sdram_i and sdram_c
[13:48] <trevorman> and for anybody wondering about the current_limit_override I mentioned earlier http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6201&start=325#p170793
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[13:52] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, intetsting - the 0x5A at the start is the 'password' to access some special registers - supposedly to stop a random program writing garbage over the range into somewhat that would potentially kill it...
[13:53] <trevorman> ah yes I remember something else like that in the broadcom datasheet as well
[13:53] <trevorman> that option will void your warranty though
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[13:54] <kim-jong> derp
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'm getting old & boring, but I'm begining to not really care about overcloking, etc. now.
[13:55] <trevorman> warranty void if (force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit>85) && over_voltage>0
[13:56] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: heh. I don't bother to overclock my PC now. stability > getting that extra few percent
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> I've never overclocked a PC!
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> The Pi was the first thing I ever overclocked...
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[14:01] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: celeron 300A to 450 :D
[14:01] <trevorman> thats many years ago now
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> that's a good improvement too.
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[14:04] <nid0> there's so little for general usage thats badly cpu bound any more that overclocking most pc's is rarely worth it other than for e-peen factor
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[14:08] <trevorman> nid0: the actual increase in speed is usually not that much either especially when compared to the standard clock anyway
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[14:14] <dax_roc> Anyone encounter an issue with /var/lib/dpkg/status on the recomended rasbian image?
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[14:16] <dax_roc> I've removed all the files, and tried replacing the status with status-old ( contains nothing ) and run an apt-get update. Still geting issues with /var/lib/dpkg/status "E: Encountered a section with no Package: header"
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[14:25] <ech0s7> sam: i have followed your guide on cross-compile
[14:25] <ech0s7> good job! :)
[14:25] <ech0s7> good
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[14:28] <Elspuddy> hmm, i mite have to start over on my raspberry install,
[14:30] <dunfy> anyone had any issues with network speed on the pi?
[14:31] <dunfy> 70Mb connection and I'm only getting 728K/s
[14:31] <dunfy> compared to my nas on the same router (both wired) I get 4.83M/s
[14:33] <nid0> the nic on the pi is typically not great, but its also not anywhere near as terrible as you're seeing
[14:33] <dunfy> I know, some google searches suggest people getting atleast 3M/s
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[14:34] <Gadget-Work> dunfy, have you tried a different cable ?
[14:34] <nid0> plenty more than that, my pi's can routinely sustain not far short of 10MB/s
[14:34] <dunfy> no, worth I try I guess
[14:34] <trevorman> dunfy: what you using to transfer?
[14:34] <dunfy> just wget a debian image
[14:34] <dunfy> just about to try scp now
[14:34] <nid0> an obvious question is whether you've tested local transfers from your nas to your pi
[14:35] <dunfy> yeah that's what I'm doing now
[14:35] <Gadget-Work> dunfy, where's the data being written to ? If it's the SD Card, what class of card ?
[14:36] <dunfy> ok, nas to pi is 10MB, pi to nas is 2MB
[14:36] <dunfy> class 10 card
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[14:36] <nid0> the problem would seem to be your net connection then
[14:36] <dunfy> how?
[14:37] <dunfy> My NAS reports atleast 4MB
[14:37] <dunfy> the PI is about 500-800K/s
[14:37] <dunfy> Both connected to the same router
[14:37] <nid0> well, if you can transfer from your nas to your pi at 10MB/s, on a nic that is theoretically capable of about 11 max, the issue is evidently not with your nic
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[14:38] <dunfy> Yeah I get that, I just don't get why when I test the net connection on another box it gives me full speed
[14:38] <nid0> well, bear in mind initially that it isnt
[14:38] <nid0> "full speed" on a 70mbit connection would be over 8MB/s
[14:38] <dunfy> ] 92,088,871 6.63M/s eta 98s
[14:38] <dunfy> close enough :D
[14:39] <sam> ech0s7: glad to hear it worked!
[14:39] <nid0> if you're getting half that at best, it suggests your isp is heavily contended
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[14:39] <dunfy> So my ISP can tell which box I'm downloading from?
[14:39] <dunfy> If I get 6MB from my NAS, I'd expect that from the PI
[14:39] <nid0> no, but that wasnt the point
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> nid0, sounds like this is LAN to LAN stuff - no ISP invovled...
[14:40] <dunfy> gordonDrogon: I'm wgetting a debian image
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> dunfy, Ah, ok.
[14:40] <dunfy> wget http://napoleon.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/6.0.5/amd64/iso-cd/debian-6.0.5-amd64-CD-1.iso runnign the same connect on both my nas, and pi
[14:40] <dunfy> the pi give sme less than 1MB, the nas over 6MB
[14:40] <dunfy> pi to nas gives me 10MB
[14:40] <ech0s7> sam: now i would cross-compile xbmc
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> let me do a quick test..
[14:41] <ech0s7> (with hardfp)
[14:41] <dunfy> hmm
[14:41] <dunfy> scp to a remove server gives me 2MB from the pi
[14:41] <dunfy> which is correct
[14:41] <dunfy> I think it's wget
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[14:41] <gordonDrogon> I can max-out my ADSL line from mydesktop or a Pi.
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> ~17Mb/sec
[14:42] <Aldasa> scp uses encryption, that maxes out the pi cpu
[14:42] <dunfy> I'll try scp from the remote server to the pi
[14:42] <dunfy> odd that scp is faster than wget then
[14:42] <ln-> scp -c blowfish
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[14:43] <chnops> I've somehow ended up in the weird situation where my LAN is slower than my internet
[14:43] <dunfy> nope, scp from the remote server to my pi gives me 500KB/s
[14:46] <Hodapp> chnops: over what protocol?
[14:46] * Hodapp steals gordonDrogon's Internet connection and runs away
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> ?
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[14:47] <gordonDrogon> here I am in ruralistan...
[14:47] * InControl wants a fibre to hus door
[14:47] <nid0> yeah poor you out in the sticks, with an adsl connection twice as fast as mine :<
[14:47] <dunfy> ~17Mb/sec isn't fast
[14:47] <gordonDrogon> 1.2Mb up and 17.5Mb in...
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[14:47] <chnops> any protocol I guess, my lan is 100mbps, cable is 120mbps
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[14:48] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: I'm close enough to throw a rock at my ISP, and I get a few megabits down.
[14:48] <nid0> dunfy: it is for those of us that arent in the tiny fraction of the population who get fibre
[14:48] * DarkTherapy can't wait for 4G/LTE..
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[14:48] <dunfy> nid0: :-p
[14:48] <nid0> my exchange is due to be cabled for fibre by 30/09/2011
[14:48] <dunfy> Fibre is becoming a lot more popular in the UK now
[14:48] <nid0> oh, wait, 30/12/2011
[14:48] <Hodapp> chnops: oh, I thought you were referring to other limitations, nevermind
[14:48] <nid0> oh, no, 30/03/2012
[14:48] <gordonDrogon> 2012 maybe?
[14:48] <nid0> oh whoops, 30/06/2012
[14:49] <nid0> or maybe 30/09/2012.
[14:49] <nid0> who knows, we'll find out in 10 days.
[14:49] <dunfy> If it's BT, fuck knows when it'll be ready
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> I doubt we'll see FTTC where I am now, but I said that about ADSL2+ ...
[14:49] <dunfy> I gave up going by the dates
[14:49] <chnops> docsis3 here, my telephone company that provided my dsl scrapped their fibre plans and I promptly switched to cable
[14:49] <DarkTherapy> I can't even get BT..
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> DarkTherapy, how far from the exchange?
[14:49] <chnops> sucks because the ISP I used over dsl was better than what I have over cable, but oh well, 10x faster for less money I could not resist :D
[14:50] <DarkTherapy> nothing to do with exchange, east riding of Yorkshire has no BT
[14:50] <DarkTherapy> it's Kingston communications
[14:50] <Hodapp> I had fiber at my old place and it was awesome
[14:50] <nid0> good old hull
[14:50] <Hodapp> I moved closer to the ISP, and fiber isn't available where I am now
[14:51] <DarkTherapy> yep
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> DarkTherapy, Ah. commiserations.
[14:51] <DarkTherapy> :0(
[14:51] <dunfy> well I can't work out this damn issue, I guess I'll have to live with it
[14:51] <Hodapp> can't get cable here unless I pay for business-class
[14:51] <Hodapp> because for some reason this not-a-business building is classified as not a home residence
[14:51] <DarkTherapy> I get a stupid 30gb allowance with our ISP
[14:51] <dunfy> plusnet?
[14:51] <DarkTherapy> Karoo
[14:52] <DarkTherapy> we can't get any other ISP
[14:52] <nid0> not like I have any choice *other* than BT either, virgin has cabling less than 200 yards from here, nice of them to totally not bother cabling up this brand new development
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[14:52] <DarkTherapy> no BT, sky, virgin etc
[14:52] <nid0> but, at least my current adsl line has no usage limits whatsoever
[14:53] <Hodapp> nid0: neither does mine, which reminds me that I should go start a torrent soon...
[14:53] <[SLB]> ordered 100 leds, arrived 96 ._.
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[14:53] <torpor> hi
[14:54] <torpor> does anyone know if the update today that gives us TURBO mode requires a reboot/reflash of firmware?
[14:54] <VandroiyIII> Hi guys. Just looked into this... so, this thing should run most small-footprint debian software? :o
[14:54] * VandroiyIII is now known as Vandroiy
[14:54] <nid0> yes
[14:54] <nid0> and yes
[14:54] <torpor> Vandroiy: its like having a pentium 800mhz running debian, so yes.
[14:55] <Vandroiy> That's... quite awesome! Why does no store seem to have the thing available :o
[14:55] * Vandroiy is in Germany
[14:55] <DarkTherapy> because its so awesome
[14:57] <Vandroiy> Are there price or reseller restrictions?
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[14:57] <Weaselweb> you can even order from germany\o/
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[15:00] <gordonDrogon> nid0, You have a choiec of about 100 ISPs who use the BT wholesale network.
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[15:02] <Vandroiy> I see DVI works via adapter... is that dual-link? (can I hook it onto large-resolution displays for simple desktop usage?)
[15:03] <nid0> gordonDrogon: my point was no choice other than BT as in a copper bt line rather than any alternate fibre or cable options - as it happens im hooked up via a C&W llu provider rather than bt wholesale anyway
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> nid0, ok. I only have the choice of talktalk LLU here - nedless to say I'm avoiding them like the plague
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[15:09] <Kubsle> hello
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[15:09] <Kubsle> does anyone here:)?
[15:10] <Kubsle> I need a little help with my Pi
[15:10] <DarkTherapy> if I was to connect the pi and an arduino together, could that be done with the USB ports or do I need to hook up the rx/tx to the gpio?
[15:10] <DarkTherapy> serial I mean..
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[15:11] <dunfy> oh wow, I just realised you can use simplink with your pi
[15:11] <dunfy> this is very cool
[15:12] <nid0> yes, CEC was added a couple of updates ago
[15:12] <des2> You could use USB DarkTherapy
[15:12] <dunfy> Only problem my back button doesn't work :-/
[15:12] <DarkTherapy> des2: thanks
[15:12] <nid0> simplink/bravialink/anynet are all the same thing
[15:12] <des2> THe Pi is a USB master and the Arduino is a USB slave.
[15:13] <DarkTherapy> right
[15:13] <dunfy> I had no idea what simplink was until I could navigate with my tv remote
[15:14] <Kubsle> I try to run q3 on my pi, but something seems to be wrong, when I starting Q3, all probably works, but in terminal it stops on "WARNING: Couldn't bind to a v6 ip address. Opening IP socket:"
[15:14] <dunfy> Kubsle: look for a config file and key along the lines of address to bind to
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[15:15] <torpor> does anyone know if there is something special about using the raspberry pi EGL libs? some defines needed, or so on ?
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[15:16] <dunfy> nid0: does simplink allow you to control switching on/off the pi?
[15:16] <nid0> should do
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[15:16] <dunfy> nice
[15:17] <Kubsle> dunfy: so what directly I should do?
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[15:17] <dunfy> Kubsle: I assume Q3 is Quake?
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[15:18] <SpeedEvil> is there still a delay if you order new PiS?
[15:18] <Vandroiy> Anyone offering delivery in Germany for Bitcoins? Other than the guy who wants 50 BTC o.o
[15:19] <InControl> bitcoins, I thought that had fallen on its face
[15:19] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: if you order from RS yup... farnell is apparently still within a week or two
[15:19] <Weaselweb> SpeedEvil: sure, my delivery is expected to be mid-end of November
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[15:19] <InControl> SpeedEvil: http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/raspberry-pi-model-b.html from stock
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[15:20] <SpeedEvil> ah
[15:21] <ln-> i ordered a Pi yesterday and it's now waiting at the local post office for me to get it.
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[15:23] <Weaselweb> ln-: farnell or RS?
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[15:24] <ln-> Weaselweb: neither, a finnish electronics reseller. (which buys from farnell)
[15:24] <Weaselweb> ah, ic
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[15:26] <InControl> Tandy ships to Sweden, otherwise Farnell is a short wait or RS an eternity
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[15:28] <gordonDrogon> DarkTherapy, you can use either - it's easy via USB though - to use the on-board serial, you need level convertors, but use the usb and you can remote reset the arduino and program it via standard arduino ide, or avrdude.
[15:28] <Weaselweb> hah, this should have said someone to mee several weeks ago
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> DarkTherapy, http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg
[15:28] <DarkTherapy> gordonDrogon: nice, thanks
[15:29] <Vandroiy> Let me guess, there's some sort of restriction on trading/reselling the thing? *can't find it on the european reseller search engines*
[15:29] <Kubsle> dunfy: YES
[15:29] <Kubsle> sry for caps
[15:30] <ln-> Vandroiy: who/what would enforce such restriction, and based on what?
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[15:32] <InControl> restriction on what ?
[15:32] <nid0> Vandroiy: the major "restriction" is just that the two original suppliers who actually make the things have been backordered for months, and have only been supplying bulk orders to very big reseller customers such as Tandy/Maplin
[15:32] <nid0> its not like your typical reseller can just order 50 of them to sell on, because theyll be waiting a long time to get them
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[15:36] <InControl> Also you won't find many places selling them due as unless they can order a really big batch there wouldn't be enough discount to even cover the card transaction fees charged when selling them.
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[15:36] <InControl> That is why Maplin only sell it as part of a bundle to try and make a profit from it.
[15:37] <atouk> the prophit isn't the pi, it's the addons. cards, usb addons, cases, power supply, etc
[15:37] * Vandroiy doesn't actually care about the absurdly cheap price... I'd not mind paying more that much
[15:37] <nid0> head to ebay then?
[15:37] <atouk> in US, newark has them in stock. to two days to get it
[15:38] <Vandroiy> Ah, ic
[15:38] <atouk> (took)
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[15:38] <Vandroiy> Yea, I'm in Germany though and can't find anyone who has it in stock
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[15:38] <nid0> http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1311&_nkw=Raspberry+Pi&_sacat=0
[15:38] <tero> hi all
[15:38] <InControl> Tandy sends to all mainland Europe destinations but it would cost you an extra ??5
[15:39] <Vandroiy> nid0: You're right, eBay seems to have them
[15:39] <nid0> http://www.ebay.de/itm/RASPBERRY-PI-Model-B-/290776656697?pt=DE_Computer_Sonstige&hash=item43b3a3ab39 < EUR 43.50 with free shipping
[15:39] <tero> anybody has an idea how can I ssh to a raspberrypi on a 3g modem? isp blocks all incoming port
[15:40] <atouk> ebay has everything because there is always somebody willing to pay retail++ to get theri hands on it faster
[15:40] <nid0> tero: depends how your isp handles its blocking
[15:40] <nid0> if you're behind nat you're going to have problems
[15:40] <tero> it is kinda complicated
[15:40] <mjr> you'd probably need a tunnel punched from the inside to eg. some port of some better connected machine
[15:40] <SIFTU> tero: reverse ssh
[15:40] <atouk> isp blocks ALL ports?
[15:41] <tero> nid0 i do get a "real" wan IP address, but no even ping get thru
[15:41] <nid0> a reverse ssh tunnel is likely to be your best bet
[15:41] <tero> hmm
[15:41] <tero> ok what is that? :D
[15:41] <tero> atouk all incoming
[15:41] <nid0> well, you need an ssh server setup elsewhere for a start
[15:41] <tero> that is bad :(
[15:41] <SIFTU> your pi or whatever contacts another server and establishes a tunnel, then you can you that tunnel to get back to the pi
[15:42] <atouk> which ISP?
[15:42] <tero> so you are saying that I need a pc(vps etc) somewhere on the internet?
[15:42] <tero> :(
[15:42] <SIFTU> yeah
[15:42] <nid0> where're you planning on ssh'ing to the pi from?
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[15:42] <tero> well my windows computer...
[15:42] <tero> from putty
[15:42] <SIFTU> use that
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[15:43] <tero> yeah but it would only work from my pc right?
[15:43] <nid0> yes
[15:43] <tero> sux
[15:43] <SIFTU> well not exactly
[15:44] <nid0> you could get complicated and connect in to the computer from elsewhere then connect over the tunnel, but it starts getting convoluted
[15:44] <SIFTU> all my machines can reach another other machine no matter of location
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[15:44] <tero> hmm maybe this would work?
[15:44] <tero> http://mancoosi.org/~abate/hidden-ssh-service-tor
[15:46] <DarkTherapy> you can get a free host redirection, like no-ip.com and use that to reverse tunnel back to your pc
[15:46] <nid0> thats not going to do much for you if your isp is statically blocking inbound connections to your dongle
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[15:47] <SIFTU> reverse tunnel is the answer i would say
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[15:47] <DarkTherapy> I can plug my pi into virtually any network and connect to it from home
[15:48] <SIFTU> +1
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[15:48] <SIFTU> actually any of my machines
[15:49] <tero> nid0 well i used this 3g dongle on my pc and there tor works...
[15:49] <tero> I am guessing that hidden servies will also work
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[15:50] <tero> DarkTherapy how is actually done?
[15:50] <SIFTU> this is how i monitor my reverse tunnels
[15:50] <SIFTU> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/906920/screenshots/screenshot-20120920064725.jpeg
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[15:51] <DarkTherapy> an ssh server running on my pc, the pi simply tries to connect to it
[15:51] <tero> ah yeah
[15:51] <tero> that kinda sux
[15:51] <SIFTU> lol
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[15:51] <SIFTU> why
[15:52] <tero> beacause you can only connect from home
[15:52] <SIFTU> no
[15:52] <SIFTU> in my screenshot any machine can connect to any other regardless of location
[15:52] <tero> ok.. but you have at home a "server"
[15:52] <tero> that connects that
[15:52] <tero> right?
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[15:53] <DarkTherapy> you plug the pi into any remote network, it finds it's way back to my network
[15:53] <SIFTU> yeah, but it can be any "middleman" server anywhere
[15:53] <SIFTU> but my pi at starbucks can connect to my laptop at work
[15:54] <SIFTU> i dont login to my home network.. they do
[15:54] <SIFTU> bbl
[15:54] <tero> SIFTU well i don't have any px at my home that is turned on 24/7
[15:54] <tero> *pc
[15:55] <trevorman> buy anothe rpi to be a server? ;)
[15:55] <nid0> time to get yourself a dirt cheap vps then
[15:55] <nid0> or do that ^
[15:55] <tero> heh
[15:56] <tero> ok maybe this could work
[15:56] <tero> any suggetions on what to google first? maybe some tutorial?
[15:58] <Lexip> The answer, is as always, get more Rpi's!
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[16:17] <martk100> Does the latest wheezy contain the overclocking apps
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[16:19] <des2> [07:00] <des2> You can now choose from one of five overclock presets in raspi-config,
[16:19] <des2> [07:01] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=17788&p=176847
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[16:25] <RichiH> will the overclocking affect GPU performance, as well?
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[16:29] <trevorman> RichiH: if you overclock the GPU sure. the ARM core and GPU core are set separately
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[16:30] <RichiH> ok
[16:31] <RichiH> good thing /me already odered copper heat sinks
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[16:32] <DarkTherapy> ^lol
[16:32] <trevorman> they're not necessary but *shrug* no harm in adding them assuming you do it properly
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[16:36] <steve_rox> anythin fun going on?
[16:36] <Kubsle> I try to run q3 on my pi, but something seems to be wrong, when I starting Q3, all probably works, but in terminal it stops on "WARNING: Couldn't bind to a v6 ip address. Opening IP socket:"
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[16:37] <Weaselweb> [15:14:26] <dunfy> Kubsle: look for a config file and key along the lines of address to bind to
[16:37] <Kubsle> yes
[16:38] <Kubsle> but directly what shoud I do?
[16:38] <Kubsle> how to bind IP?
[16:38] <Weaselweb> i gues you configured (or is default) that q3 wants to bind to an ipv6 address
[16:39] <Weaselweb> it shouldn' harm if it just uses ipv4 if you don't need ipv6
[16:39] <Dagger2> or alternately, `echo ipv6 >> /etc/modules; modprobe ipv6`
[16:39] <Dagger2> which really should be the default :(
[16:40] <Kubsle> I have default config from Rasbian
[16:40] <Weaselweb> heh, ipv6 is treated stepmotherly nearly everywhere
[16:41] <w0m> nat killed ipv6 adoption
[16:41] <Dagger2> it took us forever to even get the module compiled and included
[16:41] <w0m> mostly because ipv6 is a pita
[16:41] <Weaselweb> i guess they all still need FTP :)
[16:42] <Dagger2> nobody should be releasing a device, particularly a cheap computer like the RPi, without IPv6 in _2012_ :(
[16:42] <Weaselweb> i don't think ipv6 is pita
[16:42] <Dagger2> Weaselweb: yeah, that
[16:42] <Dagger2> it's much less a PITA than IPv4+NAT is
[16:42] <Weaselweb> ack
[16:42] <InControl> surely IPv6 is just software
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[16:44] <Dagger2> InControl: it's a kernel module, and they didn't include it in the original squeeze release
[16:45] <InControl> should be easy enough to add it in updated os
[16:45] <Weaselweb> oh, wow there is even a ipv6 extension to ftp
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[16:45] <Dagger2> (or enable it in the default kernel config, so the original Arch release didn't have it either. you had to custom-compile a kernel to get it)
[16:46] <Dagger2> but even now the module isn't loaded by default in the official distro image, which is what almost everybody will be using. you shouldn't have to do manual config to get IPv6 to work on a device in 2012!
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> I have IPv6 on my Pi's. I'm connecting here using IPv6.
[16:46] <advancednewbie> Hello all...
[16:46] <InControl> it is still a development system
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> just check my connecting IP address.
[16:46] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: are you connection from your pi to irc?
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> IPv6 is established and works well. It's just the telcos/isp who're dragging their feet over it.
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[16:47] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, yes. check my IP address - that the IPv6 address of my workstation.
[16:47] <InControl> I'm sure it will be available eventually
[16:47] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: well, I'm running ipv6 (using a tunnel from sixxs) myself
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> it's been avalable to those who've wanted it in the UK for 10 years now.
[16:47] <InControl> People are just not using IPv6
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> natively.
[16:47] <InControl> there is no compelling reason to switch
[16:47] <Weaselweb> unfortunatly some IPS start using NAT on their users to 'save' public IPs :(
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> you won't be able to ping6 my workstation because it's firewalled, but you can pin6 wt.drogon.net
[16:48] <Dagger2> InControl: I've asked in the forums. their position is that the module won't be enabled by default
[16:48] <advancednewbie> Anybody have their arduino and raspberry pi talking nicely? Here's my project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdbVDJd1Mcc My problem: It can't run off Raspberry pi's USB power - I tried a 9VDC AC Adapter and the voltage regulator on the arduino gets really hot...
[16:48] <Dagger2> InControl: there's huge compelling reasons. have you never used NAT?
[16:48] <Dagger2> if not, then be aware that you'll be forced to soon enough
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> What? The Pi foundation are not enabling it by default? Debian enables it by default and have been doing so sonce Squeeze.
[16:49] <advancednewbie> Anybody using a bash script, python, or some c++ code for serial comm's?
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> advancednewbie, I use C for serial comms..
[16:49] <advancednewbie> Sweet
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[16:49] <advancednewbie> Got an example?
[16:49] <Dagger2> gordonDrogon: indeed, but nope, they aren't
[16:50] <advancednewbie> I was going to program a little C++ serial communication program anyways - save me a couple hours?
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> advancednewbie, to do what ... I write some helper libraries if you are intersted..
[16:50] <advancednewbie> hmm... Well eventually I'd like sensor data to be inputted into an SQL database
[16:50] <advancednewbie> Using the Pi
[16:50] <advancednewbie> From the arduino
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> advancednewbie, https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/serial-library/
[16:50] <InControl> Gordon you are going to get a huge number of people hitting your site soon I expect for gertboard info
[16:51] <advancednewbie> Have some examples or libraries that might help me out?
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> InControl, that's fine. plenty of bandwidth.
[16:51] <Weaselweb> InControl: sure there is a reasont to switch to ipv6: not getting a public IP (and using things like ssh server) on your own internet link is a reason
[16:52] <gordonDrogon> if it gets really busy, I can offload to an external host I have setup for the purpose on a cheap VPS.
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[16:53] <InControl> I think it will still be a while before people are unable to get a proper IP address from their ISP
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[16:53] <advancednewbie> gordonDrogon, does that read one character at a time from the serial buffer?
[16:53] <InControl> the point is people need more than scarcity to make them switch
[16:54] <InControl> there needs to be something that benefits them
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> advancednewbie, yes, but you can use the standard system read() call to read many if you need to.
[16:54] <InControl> that is why it hasn't taken off
[16:54] <InControl> for most people IPv4 works just fine for them
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> I know the reasons, am on the mailing lists,etc. but there is no reason to not use it when you possibly can.
[16:54] <advancednewbie> gordonDrogon, this help. Thanks a lot.
[16:54] <advancednewbie> helps*
[16:55] <SIFTU> not having to use NAT is a huge benefit
[16:55] <InControl> It's catch 22 I haven't bothered with it because nobody is using it
[16:55] <advancednewbie> Now any idea how I can run my arduino with TFT LCD? Pi's USB power = too low. 9V Wall adapter seems to be over currenting my voltage regulator on the arduino?
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> tell me about it... sadly I doubt the stuff I *really* need to be nat free will probably never be )-: (VoIP phones using SIP)
[16:55] <Weaselweb> InControl: i had 2 sitations where it was not enough: I and my mother got both privates IPs behind a NAT. so no ssh access, no help for my mother :( I also couldn't access my server from outside...
[16:55] <InControl> I prefer to use NAT, to have a single public IP for my network
[16:56] <Dagger2> InControl: remember the big Skype crash a few years back? that's the sort of stuff that happens when NAT is pervasive
[16:56] <SIFTU> gordonDrogon: yeah and kerberos etc
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[16:56] <gordonDrogon> advancednewbie, you need a better regulator to get 5v. Look for DC/DC convertors...
[16:56] <Dagger2> InControl: along with all the obvious things like not being able to ssh/VNC to your computers
[16:56] <SIFTU> InControl: so you dont have VoIP?
[16:56] <SIFTU> or if you do you have to port forward etc etc
[16:56] <InControl> Yes I have VoIP
[16:56] <advancednewbie> Just get another voltage regulator that can handle more current at 5V?
[16:56] <Dagger2> InControl: and the other things like not being able to run two email/DNS servers (an issue that I've hit!)
[16:56] <Weaselweb> port forwarding is a horror with dynamic IPs
[16:57] <Lexip> What is a dead simple way for a web page to interact with running applications(on the server), i.e: sending a string to it, not launching a new instance? Brain is just drawing a blank today
[16:57] <gordonDrogon> I have a /48 for the servers in my data centre and am slowly working my way through them.
[16:57] <SIFTU> lots of protocols do not work with NAT, especially the security ones like kerberos
[16:57] <Weaselweb> Lexip: CGI?
[16:57] <InControl> The point is anything that is on IPv6 only is swimming in a very small pond
[16:57] <Dagger2> port forwarding's just a horror. you don't realize how horrible it is until you get rid of NAT, and suddenly everything's a ton nicer
[16:58] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: I hope you're very very very very slowly working through that /48
[16:58] <InControl> So IPv4 is still required so why bother with 6 at all ?
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, :) working through the servers!!!
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[16:58] <gordonDrogon> InControl, because we're run out of IPv4.
[16:58] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: lol
[16:58] <Lexip> Weaselweb, never done any CGI scripting, how would you interact with an application?
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> not going to run out, but actually run-out. Done. gone. finished. no more. that's it, it's an IPv4 no more.
[16:58] <Weaselweb> Lexip: depends how you actually can interact
[16:58] <Dagger2> InControl: the end goal is to have IPv6 everywhere. you agree it would be useful then, I take it?
[16:59] <Lexip> I would be writing the application in question myself, so there aren't really any limitations
[16:59] <InControl> Yes it would be useful, as would fuel cell cars
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> what we will end up with is pools of IPv4 behind carrier grade NAT with ipv6 connectivity.
[16:59] <Dagger2> InControl: well, the first step to getting it everywhere is to get it somewhere. the next step is to get it somewhere else, and so on. so just take the first step already
[16:59] <Lexip> It could allow anything, with no regard to security etc
[16:59] <InControl> but neither are going to get anywhere when everyone is still using IPv4 and Petrol
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> You
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[16:59] <Dagger2> InControl: also, v6 is directly useful even if you're still using v4 -- because v4 still has all the NAT issues
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> can get IPv6 today.
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[17:00] <Weaselweb> Lexip: if you already have a script interpreter on your webserver machine, use a script language instead of C :) (although it is possible). the rest is up to you how you interact. it is a problem of inter-process-communication (IPC)
[17:00] <InControl> I deliberatly turned of IPv6 on every system here
[17:00] <Dagger2> InControl: if your desktop has a v6 address plus a NATed v4 address, you can ssh to the v6 address, /even if the system still has the NATed v4 address/
[17:00] <InControl> so that it reduces complexity in troubleshooting
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[17:01] <InControl> With only 1 protocol running I don't have to look at a second one as the source of strange network behaviour
[17:01] <InControl> I know it sounds short sighted but afraid it is the way things are at the mo
[17:01] <Lexip> Interesting, I shall continue googling, thanks Weaselweb
[17:01] <trevorman> having only ipv6 isn't a great idea unless you're 100% certain that everybody who will access that resource will have ipv6 but not having dual stack because ipv6 isn't as widely used as ipv4 is silly
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> dual-stack is the way to go for now.
[17:02] <InControl> not silly the way I look at it
[17:02] <Weaselweb> wasn't there a way to map ipv4 completly and transparent into ipv6?
[17:02] <InControl> 100% of people accessing my network have IPv4
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[17:03] <gordonDrogon> if you visit me with a byod thing it'll get IPv6 (native) and IPv4 (nat) if it connects to my network...
[17:03] <InControl> 0% of people have exclusively IPv6
[17:03] <Dagger2> InControl: well, that's your fault
[17:03] <gordonDrogon> InControl, thats becaose you don't have IPv6...
[17:03] <Dagger2> InControl: of course they do if you don't have v6
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[17:03] <Dagger2> InControl: I have machines with no v4 here, and they won't be accessing your network
[17:03] <trevorman> InControl: by your argument then everybody should just scrap ipv6 and stick with ipv4
[17:04] <InControl> then they won't be accessing 90% of the internet either
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[17:04] <Dagger2> InControl: maybe they don't need to access 90% of the internet; maybe they only need to access your network
[17:04] <InControl> I'm not saying it is a good thing, just that there are a lot of people who take that approach
[17:04] <trevorman> you can use a NAT64 gateway to access IPv4 sites from an IPv6 only machine
[17:04] <InControl> and an even bigger number who don't even know what IP is
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[17:05] <SIFTU> InControl: you should read up on ipv6
[17:06] <InControl> I guess it is from my background in corporate IT
[17:06] <Dagger2> InControl: the people who don't know what an IP is would generally agree that the internet is good, so they want IPv6 too... but they've outsourced the responsibility of getting it to their ISP and their equipment manufacturers. they're basically irrelevent here
[17:06] <InControl> Turn off everything that is not 100% necessary
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[17:06] <Dagger2> it's their ISPs/etc that are the problem, since they've been hired to deal with this stuff and they've completely dropped the ball on it
[17:07] <Gadgetoid> kcunning / trevorman I drafted up some text to go in the FAQs, should be added in the next updat epush
[17:07] <trevorman> corporate IT are beginning to like the idea of IPv6 anyway. you can get rid a lot of the horrific mishmash of netblocks that most large companies have ended up with.
[17:08] <trevorman> Gadgetoid: :)
[17:08] <InControl> Afraid to say I'm at the back of the queue when it comes to switching
[17:08] <SIFTU> InControl: start here http://revision3.com/hak5/toorcon2010part2
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[17:09] <Dagger2> InControl: do remember the recommended transition path isn't to "switch", but to run both for a time
[17:09] <trevorman> IPv6 SLAAC means dual stack usually just works anyway if your router is setup properly
[17:09] <InControl> Now if IPv6 was coupled with a new hardware layer that would have larger frame sizes for faster file transfer internally that would be a reason to use it on the local network
[17:09] <Dagger2> InControl: if you wait until v6-only is acceptable to you, and then do a wholesale switch... you're making your own life a pain, which I'd say is silly
[17:09] <InControl> but IPv6 if anything has been slower on gigabit Ethernet
[17:09] <Dagger2> InControl: uh, we already have that, it's called ethernet
[17:10] <Gadgetoid> So close to 60k now, eek!
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[17:10] <Dagger2> no sense in linking L3 directly with L2; they're split into layers for a reason
[17:10] <Gadgetoid> $168 short!
[17:11] <InControl> I'll run both when it becomes necessary
[17:12] <InControl> it just isn't at the moment
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[17:13] <Dagger2> InControl: well, I find it necessary on my own networks. my life would be considerably more miserable without IPv6 on them, because I can't get enough IPv4 addresses for every device
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[17:16] <trevorman> you might not need it right now but you're going to have to do it soon
[17:17] <Dagger2> also, consider what will happen when it does become necessary for your corporate network. you'll be happily there v4-only, when one of your partners is going to tell you "ok, you need IPv6 or you can't use this service", or maybe "you can't get this contract until you can do IPv6 for it"
[17:17] <trevorman> better to sort it out early when you still have time to mess around with it though
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[17:17] <trevorman> Dagger2: its quite likely going to be "oh. you want ipv4? there will be an extra charge for that" as they'll become premium addons
[17:17] <Dagger2> and then suddenly you're going to need v6 _yesterday_, and you'll have to do a very rushed deployment that you'll screw up because you did it with no planning, and it'll end up very expensive
[17:18] <Dagger2> which is why you should get things done /now/, while it's less important and you can go slowly and not fuck it up
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[17:19] <InControl> it would help if ISP's provided IPv6 as the primary service then you had to enable IPv4
[17:19] <InControl> that would push more people on to it
[17:19] <Dagger2> InControl: what would help is if ISPs offered IPv6 at all
[17:19] <SIFTU> Dagger2: corporates hire contractors to get the real work done
[17:19] <Dagger2> SIFTU: contractors which cost money
[17:20] <SIFTU> Dagger2: yep
[17:20] <trevorman> a lot of existing machines do have ipv6 access already but its via teredo
[17:20] <Dagger2> SIFTU: contractors which will cost a lot more money in a few years when everybody wants their v6 services/knowledge at the same time
[17:20] <SIFTU> Dagger2: I agree with you
[17:22] <kcunning> Gadgetoid: Good to hear :)
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[17:23] <Gadgetoid> kcunning: my involvement may not be tremendous, but I'd still take disappointed customers personally!
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[17:28] <fersingb> hi
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[17:29] <Caleb> sup fersingb
[17:29] <fersingb> is a 1A 5V power supply enough for the 1Ghz turbo mode?
[17:30] <Caleb> im sure it is
[17:30] <trevorman> yes
[17:30] <Caleb> hmmm
[17:31] <Caleb> im using my touchpad charger
[17:31] <Caleb> 5.3V 2A
[17:31] <Caleb> overdoing it?
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[17:33] <fersingb> the 2A is not an issue, but I don't know what the safe voltage range is
[17:33] <trevorman> Caleb: no. thats fine
[17:33] <Caleb> well i wanted to make sure
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[17:36] <MrShlee> Anybody else pledging for the iControlPad2 kickstarter?
[17:36] <InControl> 5.3v 2A will be fine
[17:36] <MrShlee> thanks InControl. was wondering that too
[17:37] <Caleb> InControl: thanks
[17:37] <Caleb> i have to of the chargers for it
[17:37] <Caleb> just need another cable
[17:37] <Caleb> two
[17:38] <Caleb> when i got my touchpad i got to dead cables
[17:38] <Caleb> two
[17:38] <InControl> Basically the Pi runs on 3,
[17:38] <Caleb> shit i cant type
[17:38] <InControl> 3.3V
[17:38] <Caleb> and the rest is to power the usb devices? or?
[17:38] <InControl> so there is a voltage regulator for that
[17:38] <InControl> the 5V supply is passed to the USB ports
[17:39] <trevorman> 5V is for the USB ports, the 3.3V regulator, the HDMI port and for the SoC itself
[17:39] <InControl> USB devices won't be fussy about the .3V extra, in fact you will get a bit of a voltage drop over cables anyway so likley end up at 5.1V by the time it gets to a USB device
[17:39] <trevorman> most of the soc wants 3.3V or 1.8V but it still has a connection to 5V
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[17:40] <InControl> As for current you could have 100A
[17:40] <Gadgetoid> $59,919??? so. close.
[17:40] <InControl> because a device will only draw as much current as it needs
[17:41] <InControl> For example your UK mains socket can provide 13A
[17:41] <InControl> but you plug your 1A charger in to it and it only draws 1A
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[17:43] <Dagger2> or, well, 1A*(5/240)/Eff%
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[17:46] <dax_roc> Is the dpkg status file corrupt in the raspbian image ?
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[17:47] <dax_roc> *couldn't update from a vanila copy, and both status, status-old are empty?
[17:49] <advancednewbie> gordonDrogon, this be good for my TFT + arduino running at the same time? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/3-x-L7805CV-L7805-7805-Voltage-Regulator-5V-1-5A-/400275308090?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d32447e3a
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[17:51] <_bt> anyone have CEC working on an LG42LK530T?
[17:51] <_bt> "SIMPLINK"
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[17:53] <codingrobot> I want to use my RPi with an DVB-T stick to watch live tv (no PVR, movies, etc.) Is there any known alternative to xmbc/openelec?
[17:54] <_bt> codingrobot: what's the issue with xbmc/openelec?
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[17:55] <trevorman> codingrobot: I do that but I run tvheadend on a separate server and XBMC on the RPi...
[17:55] <codingrobot> _bt: i'd prefer something even more primitive. for some reason VDR is still not the RPi
[17:55] <trevorman> codingrobot: if the DVB-T transmissions use MPEG2 then you're going to need to buy the MPEG2 codec license for the RPi
[17:55] <codingrobot> trevorman: that won't be much of a problem i guess
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[17:56] <codingrobot> I don't need a fancy UI to watch live tv
[17:56] <sraue> codingrobot, you can use vdr but its not primitive and you actually need a second system for vdr, including as a addon like we do for tvheadend is still WIP
[17:57] <codingrobot> sraue: so VDR+xine all running on the RPi is not an option?
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[17:57] <gordonDrogon> advancednewbie, that's a bog-standard 7805 - they're OK, but get hot and therefore waste energy...
[17:57] <codingrobot> I'd only need the analog video output
[17:58] <sraue> codingrobot, i dont think xine has RPi support?
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> right - need to pop out - back later!
[17:58] <trevorman> codingrobot: silly question but wouldn't a basic dvb receiver box be easier if thats all you want?
[17:58] <trevorman> it'd be cheaper than the RPi + DVB dongle
[17:58] <codingrobot> might be true, but I want to watch the encrypted channels too
[17:59] <codingrobot> with the RPi I can plug my smartcard reader and use my subscription card w/o any expensive hardware
[18:00] <trevorman> tvheadend does support decryption but I've no idea what the CPU load would be like
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[18:10] <chris2> hi. on heise-online i read about a new overclock feature that also clocks down when the cpu gets too hot. so, there is a temperature sensor on the pi?
[18:10] <trevorman> yes
[18:10] <trevorman> vcgencmd measure_temp
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[18:10] <trevorman> there is some file in /sys as well that reports it
[18:10] <chris2> thx
[18:10] <chris2> lm_sensors didnt know about it
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[18:11] <chris2> error=1 error_msg="Command not registered"
[18:11] <chris2> hm
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[18:13] <Amoz> hey, anyone know if it's possible to use the RaPi as a USB->TTL converter?
[18:13] <trevorman> chris2: you need a recent bootloader
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[18:13] <trevorman> chris2: lm_sensors won't know anything about it. you need to look at the /sys file or use vcgencmd
[18:13] <Amoz> or, just use TTL via GPIO that is
[18:14] <trevorman> amoz: there is a 3.3V TTL serial port on the expansion header so yes if you really wanted to
[18:14] <chris2> yeah, need to update first
[18:15] <Amoz> trevorman, yay, can I boot RaPi without a HDMI cable inserted?
[18:15] <trevorman> amoz: yes
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[18:16] <trevorman> only things actually required is the SD card and power
[18:16] <Amoz> trevorman, but SSH isn't enabled by default I suppose
[18:16] <trevorman> no idea. depends on your distribution.
[18:16] <Amoz> trevorman, I'll have to try it out. Thanks !
[18:17] <jui-feng> I've heard some people say that SSH is enabled in the raspbian image, and some people say the opposite. An older raspbian image I used certainly had it enabled.
[18:18] <AC`97> my raspberry pi has never seen a keyboard.
[18:18] <RaTTuS|BIG> it's enabled
[18:18] <nid0> ssh is enabled in raspbian
[18:18] <jui-feng> so that's 4:0 for "enabled" :)
[18:18] <nid0> unless the most recent release 2 days ago disabled it
[18:19] <RaTTuS|BIG> that has it enabled also
[18:19] <AC`97> what enabled ??
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[18:19] <Amoz> wow. RaPi community is alive and kicking :P
[18:19] <AC`97> oh. ssh
[18:19] <AC`97> my ssh was enabled... in arch :D
[18:19] <Amoz> I need to serial into my bricked router
[18:20] <AC`97> jtag.
[18:21] <advancednewbie> jtag'n sat receivers is fun
[18:21] <Fleck> hmm
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[18:21] <jedahan> what is the md5 of the latest image?
[18:22] <Fleck> when my raspi starts - that colored screen is with some artifacts
[18:22] <AC`97> Fleck: hdmi?
[18:22] <jedahan> ahh its shasum, not md5
[18:22] <jedahan> idjit
[18:22] <AC`97> are the artifacts always the same?
[18:22] <advancednewbie> The first splash image?
[18:22] <Fleck> AC`97 yes
[18:22] <AC`97> increase hdmi boosty
[18:22] <Fleck> AC`97 again yes
[18:22] <Fleck> ook, will try that
[18:22] <AC`97> config_hdmi_boost=4
[18:22] <Amoz> AC`97, problem is, i dont have a parallell port
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[18:23] <AC`97> Amoz: the rpi gpio is one giant parallel port :P
[18:23] <Amoz> ooooooh
[18:23] <Amoz> right!
[18:23] <advancednewbie> You can so serial over usb - usb jtag
[18:23] <Amoz> so I can SSH into my RaPi and just use cables to my JTAG in the router
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[18:24] <advancednewbie> That works too
[18:24] <advancednewbie> :)
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[18:24] * AC`97 is electronics illiterate
[18:24] <Amoz> advancednewbie, what were you referring to?
[18:24] <Amoz> usb-jtag I mean
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[18:29] <advancednewbie> It just a jtag that communicates to the PC over USB
[18:29] <advancednewbie> Must have a RS 232 in there or something
[18:29] <AC`97> . . .
[18:29] <AC`97> advancednewbie: er.. do you know what jtag is ??
[18:30] * AC`97 doesn't know either :D
[18:30] <AC`97> computer illiteracy is bliss <3
[18:30] <advancednewbie> Yeah, you can perform a firmware upgrade through jtag
[18:30] <advancednewbie> Or dump logic
[18:30] <AC`97> or search for ponies
[18:31] <advancednewbie> Read some bytes you're not supposed to
[18:31] <advancednewbie> etc
[18:31] <AC`97> aka searching for ponies
[18:31] <IT_Sean> Joint Test Action Group (JTAG) is the common name for what was later standardized as the IEEE 1149.1 Standard Test Access Port and Boundary-Scan Architecture. It was initially devised for testing printed circuit boards using boundary scan and is still widely used for this application. Today JTAG is also widely used for IC debug ports. In the embedded processor market, essentially all modern processors support JTAG when they h
[18:31] <IT_Sean> enough pins. Embedded systems development relies on debuggers communicating with chips with JTAG to perform operations like single stepping and breakpointing. Digital electronics products such as cell phones or a wireless access point generally have no other debug or test interfaces.[citation needed]
[18:31] <trevorman> advancednewbie: eh? RS232?
[18:31] <AC`97> IT_Sean: you missed a part of a word.
[18:31] <trevorman> whats that got to do with jtag?
[18:32] <IT_Sean> AC`97: ?
[18:32] <advancednewbie> USB RS232 chip like the arduino has - serial to USB comm's
[18:32] <AC`97> IT_Sean: on the last word in your first line
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[18:33] <trevorman> the FTDI chips which have MPSSE can do JTAG but your breakout board needs to have those pins exposed
[18:33] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[18:33] <AC`97> exposed? nekkid??
[18:34] <trevorman> AC`97: yes
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[18:38] <advancednewbie> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-AVR-USB-JTAG-emulator-downloader-AVR-JTAG-with-protection-/180938835671?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a20cb86d7
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[18:38] <advancednewbie> I'd suggest buying something a little better though :P
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[18:42] <steve_rox> back to the OC attempts i guess
[18:43] <Elspuddy> hmm
[18:43] <Elspuddy> insserv: warning: script 'S15switch_cpu_governor' missing LSB tags and overrides
[18:43] <Elspuddy> insserv: warning: script 'switch_cpu_governor' missing LSB tags and overrides
[18:44] <Fleck> AC`97 didnt help
[18:45] <Fleck> but kinda dont care, desktop is ok!
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[18:45] <AC`97> ...
[18:46] <Fleck> also turbo mode is not working...
[18:46] <Fleck> still on 700MHz
[18:46] <steve_rox> im using a combination of quake2 and sonic1/2 to test it
[18:47] <steve_rox> the preset turbo dident work for me
[18:47] <AC`97> Fleck: set ondemand governor
[18:47] <steve_rox> so im manually changeing values
[18:47] <[SLB]> you need to activate the governor ondemand
[18:47] <Fleck> AC`97 how?
[18:47] * AC`97 has The Terminator for governor
[18:47] <nid0> maybe the rev3 boards can have a little turbo button and associated light
[18:47] <AC`97> or uh.. had.
[18:47] <nid0> then things will have gone full circle back to computers in the 90's
[18:47] <AC`97> Fleck: archlinux? :D
[18:48] <Fleck> no
[18:48] <AC`97> nid0: you can actually make your own turbo button
[18:48] <steve_rox> i notice during boot it mentions governor cpu scaleing or something
[18:48] <Fleck> rasbian
[18:48] <AC`97> it'll just take up a gpio pin
[18:48] <[SLB]> fleck update the system and use raspi-config to change overclock settings
[18:48] <Fleck> [SLB] i have latest image
[18:48] <[SLB]> then just run the config :3
[18:49] * IT_Sean remembers the days of Turbo buttons. :p
[18:49] <AC`97> me too.
[18:49] <Elspuddy> how do you tell how fast the pi is running at ?
[18:49] * IT_Sean remembers the days of flicking them so people thought their computer had crashed. :p
[18:49] <Fleck> i did, still got 700MHz in /proc/cpuinfo
[18:49] <AC`97> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[18:49] <Fleck> ok
[18:49] <[SLB]> that's bogomips
[18:49] <Elspuddy> IT_Sean : me too, from going 33mhz to 66mhz :)
[18:49] <AC`97> nice yes BABAY YES& sleep 2s && cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq; killall yes
[18:50] <IT_Sean> O_o
[18:50] <AC`97> :P
[18:50] <AC`97> to see if scaling works
[18:50] <Fleck> 1GHz thre AC`97
[18:50] <Fleck> *there
[18:50] <AC`97> that means worky
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[18:51] <steve_rox> ive got mine to 1ghz but you have to test stablity
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[18:51] <AC`97> also, i forgot a >/dev/null somewhere.
[18:51] <steve_rox> during sonic games the pi would just die
[18:51] * IT_Sean pipes AC`97 to dev/null
[18:51] <steve_rox> eather a black screen or malformed graphics
[18:51] * AC`97 gurgles
[18:52] * AC`97 creates a dev/null
[18:52] * IT_Sean wishes he could pipe some of his support customers to /dev/null
[18:53] <steve_rox> ill play sonic2 untill it crashes
[18:53] <misterhat> o
[18:53] <misterhat> im gunna try genesis soon
[18:55] <steve_rox> was annoying getting dgen run ning
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[18:57] <steve_rox> odd , the pi is not outputting any sound
[18:57] <AC`97> unmute??
[18:57] <IT_Sean> Put your ear right next to the headphone hole. Do you hear anything?
[18:57] <AC`97> i hear wind.
[18:57] <misterhat> steve_rox: there's another emu
[18:57] * AC`97 has fan on pibox.
[18:57] <misterhat> besides dgen
[18:59] <IT_Sean> Did you hear anything?
[18:59] <AC`97> ponies
[18:59] <AC`97> my pi is at 29.324??C
[18:59] <AC`97> i can't seem to get it up
[19:00] <AC`97> "that's what she said!"
[19:00] <IT_Sean> You should probably speak to your doctor about at.
[19:00] <AC`97> >.>
[19:00] <IT_Sean> They have pills st might help
[19:00] <Elspuddy> so, how do i set this _governor thing ?
[19:00] <IT_Sean> *that
[19:00] <IT_Sean> And on that disgusting note, I am off
[19:00] <AC`97> Elspuddy: archlinux?
[19:00] <steve_rox> mines at 52'c
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[19:00] <Elspuddy> AC`97 : whezzy i think
[19:01] <AC`97> eww debian :P
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[19:01] <AC`97> steve_rox: max freq ??
[19:01] <steve_rox> wow tails saved me for once
[19:02] <Elspuddy> nout wrong with debian , if i could figure out that one it is i would run unbuntu
[19:02] <Elspuddy> :P
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[19:02] * AC`97 <3 archlinux
[19:03] <AC`97> my load average is 1.00 while using pianobar. lolwut
[19:03] <steve_rox> my fps is a bit werid today
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[19:05] <Fleck> apt-get install quake3
[19:05] <Fleck> then what?
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[19:06] <steve_rox> ./ quake3 i dnnos
[19:06] <Elspuddy> copy pk3 to quake 3 folder then ./quake3
[19:06] <Fleck> give huge error and thats it
[19:06] <Fleck> pk3?
[19:07] <Fleck> (sorry, have never played quake) :D
[19:07] <Elspuddy> yep, they are the files with the gfx, sounds and stuff needed for quake3
[19:07] <Fleck> where do i get them?
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[19:07] <Elspuddy> you need a copy of the quake 3 game, or try and find the demo of quake 3 and use them
[19:08] <steve_rox> ah no wonder i cant find any signifcant improvement , seems nano did not save
[19:08] <scummos> steve_rox: use vi
[19:08] <scummos> :D
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[19:09] <steve_rox> vi?
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[19:11] <scummos> steve_rox: it's another text editor
[19:11] <steve_rox> oh
[19:11] <scummos> which is well known for its difficulty for new users :)
[19:11] <steve_rox> im still learning linux cmds
[19:11] <scummos> but when you know the basic keys it's quite good
[19:12] <kim-jong> steve_rox: dont bother with vi. use nano. simple and efficient
[19:12] <steve_rox> yeah i dont think ill be using vi
[19:12] <steve_rox> im trapped in it and uable to get out now on a back screen
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[19:12] <kim-jong> sounds familiar :D
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[19:13] <steve_rox> rather than fumbling around with unforseen controls i just power reset
[19:13] <ladoga> :quit
[19:14] <ladoga> or :q
[19:14] <steve_rox> i dont have time to type that :-P
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[19:15] <ladoga> anyways nano probably works fine for you
[19:16] <InControl> nono is very freindly
[19:16] <ladoga> it's not as powerful as vi nor as fast to use, but it doesn't need learning
[19:16] <InControl> works a treat
[19:16] <InControl> vi is for hardcore geeks
[19:16] <steve_rox> id edit in windows but my windows laptops cant read the card since i somehow partually smashed a chunk out of the SD
[19:16] <chithead> and nano starts directly in editor mode, not in pager mode
[19:16] <trevorman> scummos: another advantage is that it is installed by default on pretty much all unix systems
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[19:17] <scummos> trevorman: yes, but so is ed
[19:17] <scummos> :D
[19:18] <AC`97> ED? encyclopedia dramatica??
[19:18] <scummos> well vim does nice syntax highlighting and autocompletion and everything... nano can't do most of that
[19:18] <Fleck> hmm
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[19:18] <ladoga> x41:~$ ed
[19:18] <ladoga> bash: ed: command not found
[19:18] <scummos> AC`97: Ed is the standard text editor!
[19:18] <scummos> what
[19:18] <scummos> really
[19:18] <AC`97> ...
[19:18] <AC`97> wot
[19:18] * AC`97 = computer illiterate
[19:19] <scummos> well
[19:19] <scummos> computer systems nowadays
[19:19] <scummos> not what they used to be
[19:19] <Fleck> glxgears say - Error: couldn't get RGB, Double-buffered visual
[19:19] <scummos> anyway ed must be the most cryptic text editor ever
[19:19] <Fleck> openarena says something about opengl too
[19:19] <scummos> Fleck: there's no opengl on the pi, just openglES
[19:19] <AC`97> Fleck: memory split?
[19:19] <AC`97> banana split??
[19:20] <scummos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_%28text_editor%29#Example
[19:20] <Fleck> AC`97 how should i split? There are few choises
[19:20] <AC`97> try 192/64 first
[19:20] <AC`97> ohwait, nvm
[19:20] <AC`97> or try 128/128
[19:20] <Fleck> 192/192
[19:20] <AC`97> 192/64
[19:20] <AC`97> :P
[19:20] <Fleck> there is no such option
[19:21] <Fleck> ohh
[19:21] <Fleck> i see
[19:21] <AC`97> wot. wut be dis
[19:21] <AC`97> you see :P
[19:21] <Fleck> trying
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[19:23] <ladoga> i learned vi navigation keys from playing nethack
[19:23] <ladoga> that was about 10 years before i ever used it
[19:23] <AC`97> ...
[19:24] <Fleck> AC`97 same errors
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[19:24] <steve_rox> right ill brb soon
[19:25] <scummos> ladoga: haha so did I in fact
[19:25] <scummos> I was using vi before, but not with the actual vi keys
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[19:32] <agumonkey> hi pians
[19:32] <agumonkey> anyone underclocked the pi below 50MHz ?
[19:32] <trevorman> scummos: ed was horrific lol
[19:32] <misterhat> why would you want it below 50mhz
[19:33] <trevorman> I expect the RPi to crash if you try to set it too low as it won't have been designed as a static core
[19:33] <agumonkey> out of curiosity
[19:34] <agumonkey> I find it amusing to see it boot faster at 50MHz than my coreduo at 1GHz
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[19:35] <trevorman> not really a fair comparison
[19:35] <agumonkey> yeah I know
[19:35] <trevorman> if you got coreboot to work on your PC then it'd be more fair
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[19:35] <agumonkey> And it feels all timemachinesque to run something a 50MHz, even my first desktop was a Pentium60
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[19:42] <Fleck> any apps i can test openglES ?
[19:44] <gasparov> hi, could anybody tell me or point me to a guide that explain what i should do with stuff contained in the firmware repo? for example /opt/vc
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[19:52] <vvompy> Hi, I am struggeling to install arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc-stage2 under arch-linux: During the installation with paktahn it tries to download gcc-4.7-20120721.tar.bz2, does it, but than fails to install it..any suggestions?
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[19:56] <[diecast]> agumonkey: spoiled kid!
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[19:58] <scummos> vvompy: sync the repos?
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[20:02] <vvompy> I did
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[20:03] <vvompy> scummos: I did..and it doesn't complain that the versions don't match
[20:04] <scummos> hm
[20:04] <agumonkey> [diecast]: jealous of my fanless Pentium ?
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[20:06] <vvompy> I downloaded a realease version of gcc-2.7.2 from the gcc-ftp..does somebody know how I get to install it with pacman..I never made a PKGBUILD
[20:06] <vvompy> or is it the wrong direction
[20:06] <agumonkey> vvompy: what does paktahn says ? pastie.org it
[20:08] <steve_rox> im back
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[20:25] <scummos> vvompy: so did you run pacman -Sy??
[20:25] <scummos> *-Sy?
[20:25] <kim-jong> scummos: deutsch
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[20:27] <scummos> kim-jong: what? ;P
[20:27] <kim-jong> nvm
[20:28] <scummos> this is an international channel
[20:28] <scummos> ;p
[20:28] <kim-jong> ya
[20:28] <kim-jong> i was just noticing
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[20:32] <scummos> oh, you noticed my keyboard layout ;P
[20:32] <scummos> yeah
[20:32] <scummos> can also just run /whois <nick>
[20:33] <kim-jong> lol
[20:33] <kim-jong> telekom
[20:34] <Fleck> any apps i can test openglES ?
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[20:36] <agumonkey> I enjoy the sluggish refresh rate of an underclocked pi. </nerdopath>
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[20:36] <gordonDrogon> hey ho!
[20:37] <kim-jong> agumonkey: reminds me of smtn
[20:37] <agumonkey> kim-jong: wat tn
[20:37] <kim-jong> i like my women like i like my computers
[20:37] <kim-jong> OLD
[20:38] <kim-jong> they know how it's done
[20:38] <jgrevich> Are there any tools to measure cpu/gpu temp? lm-sensors does not seem tow ork
[20:38] <asaru> i like my women like i like my instant oatmeal... quick, easy, and covered in facts about dinosaurs
[20:38] <kim-jong> heheh oatmeal
[20:38] <thrawed> jgrevich: cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[20:38] <gordonDrogon> jgrevich, /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[20:39] <asaru> gordon, you need new firmware for that?
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> yes
[20:39] <asaru> i have been afraid to upgrade the firmware on one of my pi's, as i dont have physical access to it anymore
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ raspberrypi: cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> 37932
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ raspberrypi: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[20:39] <gordonDrogon> temp=37.9'C
[20:39] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: it's in millidegrees celcius
[20:40] <asaru> can you get it to display in F?
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, so it appears. bonkers or what!
[20:40] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: so you'd want to divide it by a thousand
[20:40] <jgrevich> thrawed: thanks
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[20:40] <agumonkey> and old * slowingly build suspense, no rush, full effect
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[20:40] <gordonDrogon> asaru, F? what backwards country are you in?
[20:40] <asaru> usa ;P
[20:40] <asaru> we use F
[20:40] <jgrevich> gordonDrogon: I take it your command is for gpu specifically?
[20:40] <digitlman> 'Merica!
[20:40] <digitlman> lol
[20:40] <gordonDrogon> :)
[20:40] * agumonkey about to lunch emacs 24 at 200MHz
[20:41] <thrawed> digitlman: nasa uses metric
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> jgrevich, no idea - just repeating what I found yesterday. probably doesn't care since its all the same chip.
[20:41] <digitlman> nerds!
[20:41] <digitlman> lol
[20:41] <thrawed> jgrevich: I think it's for the cpu
[20:41] <jgrevich> gordonDrogon: Ahh.. because it's SoC. Do we have any guidelines for max temp ranges? I feel like one of mine just crashed due to heat
[20:41] <agumonkey> vcgencmd cannot locate libvcos on the latest archlinuxarm, I can't find what package to install, if any in the repo
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> jgrevich, it's speced to 70C, but I'm sure I read in the auto-turbo mode thingy that it takes it up to 86C before it throttles it down.
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> agumonkey, I'm using raspbian.
[20:43] <jgrevich> gordonDrogon: Thanks, so it will slow speeds down if temps rise. I had it on top of the vent of my desktop computer, so perhaps that heated it up too much
[20:43] <scummos> non-SI units suck *cough*
[20:43] <jgrevich> gordonDrogon: thank for all the info
[20:43] <peeps[work]> is there an official pi channel?
[20:43] <digitlman> yer soaking in it!
[20:43] <thrawed> peeps[work]: nope
[20:44] <digitlman> this is close enough
[20:44] <thrawed> digitlman: this channel is not official
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[20:44] <digitlman> close nough ;-)
[20:44] <jgrevich> gordonDrogon: ahh, cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/trip_point_0_temp => 85000
[20:44] <thrawed> digitlman: and probably never will be
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> jgrevich, only if you enable the brand-new turbo mode - as of yesterday I think.
[20:44] <jgrevich> gordonDrogon: ahh, via firmware update?
[20:44] <kim-jong> jgrevich: yup
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> jgrevich, yes.
[20:44] <peeps[work]> i just read about the turbo clock mode
[20:44] <jgrevich> kim-jong: (and gordon) danke!
[20:44] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: do you need the special config program to enable turbo?
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> actually, I might try it on this Pi I upgraded yesterday. let me find the runes...
[20:45] <peeps[work]> was gonna see if there was any news of xbian working on adding it, but xbian.org is down
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, don't know - just about to find out :)
[20:45] <jgrevich> and rpi-update is the best tool for that?
[20:45] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: my pi is pre-official raspbian so it doesn't have the config
[20:45] <thrawed> jgrevich: yep
[20:46] <[SLB]> the config is created by raspi-config anyway
[20:46] <thrawed> [SLB]: I do not have raspi-config
[20:46] <[SLB]> that's in raspbian since at least july though hm
[20:47] <thrawed> [SLB]: I'm running pisces
[20:47] <[SLB]> ah okay
[20:47] <[SLB]> and raspi-config isn't in the repos?
[20:47] <thrawed> I prefer it to the official image
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> Hm. doesn't actually say in the article how to turn on turbo mode...
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, yea, I have one like that and one 'official'
[20:48] <thrawed> [SLB]: "apt-cache search raspi-config" isn't coming up with anything
[20:48] <Fleck> AC`97 looks like my HDMI cable is bad...?
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[20:49] <[SLB]> hm here it says raspi-config - Simple configuration for Raspberry Pi
[20:49] <Fleck> if i turn it around - i get fewer artifacts :D
[20:49] <InControl> Cant see the likes of farnell and RS looking for a sticky bit in a dead Raspberry Pi to see if it has been overclocked
[20:49] <[SLB]> if you need the script for update-rc.d just ask
[20:50] <thrawed> InControl: Of course they will
[20:50] <thrawed> InControl: Any company will look for an excuse to not lose money.
[20:50] <InControl> only if it got out of hand
[20:50] <thrawed> InControl: ?
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[20:51] <InControl> The cost of the time for someone skilled enough to look is greater than the cost of a board
[20:51] <jgrevich> Is there a timeline (or hope even) for accelerated graphics support in any raspberry distro?
[20:51] <InControl> they wouldn't invest that time unless a large number of returns started hapopening
[20:51] <thrawed> InControl: They're idiots if they haven't implimented an automated system
[20:51] <InControl> how can you have an automated system for something that is dead ?
[20:51] <jgrevich> thrawed: Perhaps you can't see raspi-config because you need to apt-get update first?
[20:52] <InControl> you have to get it to a stage where the sticky bit can be read
[20:52] <thrawed> jgrevich: I updated yesterday, but sure, I'll update again
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[20:53] <thrawed> jgrevich: I think the official one might use different repos
[20:53] <InControl> bit like those TV detector vans
[20:53] <jgrevich> thrawed: ahh, want me to gist/pastebin my sources file?
[20:54] <InControl> haven't tried overclocking mine
[20:54] <[SLB]> deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ wheezy main
[20:54] <InControl> I'd rather see an accelerated X
[20:54] <InControl> that would make the biggest diference
[20:54] <jgrevich> thrawed: https://gist.github.com/3757655
[20:55] <jgrevich> InControl: me too, I think that should be #1 too
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> ok. here goes a reboot with turbo mode runes...
[20:55] <jgrevich> jgrevich: it would open up so many doors
[20:55] <jgrevich> gordonDrogon: gl
[20:55] <thrawed> mine is deb http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian testing main contrib non-free rpi
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> it appears to have rebooted ok - runing at 700MHz
[20:57] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: still wrapped in bubblewrap?
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[20:58] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, nah.
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> Ooh. I say it go to 1.4v as I logged in again - going to fire off a big compile...
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> temp=44.4'C
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> volt=1.35V
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> frequency(45)=1000000000
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> frequency(1)=500000000
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> It's got to a Gig!
[20:59] <thrawed> gig is the max
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[21:00] <gordonDrogon> it's the max I put in the config.txt file.
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[21:00] <gordonDrogon> immediately dropped back when the compile finished:
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> temp=44.4'C
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> volt=1.20V
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> frequency(45)=600000000
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> frequency(1)=250000000
[21:01] <[SLB]> what are the numbers in parenthesis?
[21:01] <[SLB]> an id which the freq is related to?
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> no idea, but I guess so.
[21:02] <[SLB]> eheh
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[21:02] <gordonDrogon> I'm running: watch -n1 '/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_volts ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock arm ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock core'
[21:02] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: is that with official and raspi-config?
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, yes, that's an official rasbian and kernel, etc.
[21:02] <gordonDrogon> not sure about raspi-config - I've hacked my own.
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[21:03] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/config.txt
[21:03] <jgrevich> wow, that's quite a boost: "What does this mean? Comparing the new image with 1GHz turbo enabled, against the previous image at 700MHz, nbench reports 52% faster on integer, 64% faster on floating point and 55% faster on memory"
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[21:04] <gordonDrogon> I shoudl time a compile...
[21:04] <Vibe> hi
[21:04] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: oh, so I can just turn it on via the config.txt instead of all this raspi-config business?
[21:04] <Vibe> how I can check info about that overclocking?
[21:04] <Vibe> set RPi to turbo mode :p
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> I don't know what raspi-config is.
[21:04] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: it's some silly setup program they bundle with the official raspbian
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[21:05] <gordonDrogon> oh, the thing that starts at first boot-time then?
[21:05] <thrawed> yeah
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> that was rubbish so I didn't bother with it.
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit weird - force_turbo=0 is the default which is to enable turbo mode.
[21:06] <thrawed> so it's enabled by default?
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[21:07] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: because thats one of the bits the contribute towards warranty voiding. its not actually "enabled" because the max and min speeds are both the same.
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[21:07] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, indeed.
[21:07] <Vibe> how I can see that turbo mode is set?
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[21:08] <gordonDrogon> During that test is did overvolt the Pi from 1.2 to 1.35, but it hasn't set the overvolt bit!
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[21:08] <trevorman> yeah
[21:08] <trevorman> you're capped to 1.4V I think
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> 1.35
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> according to the wiki page.
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[21:09] <trevorman> ah okay
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[21:09] <trevorman> I was close! :D
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> wonder what I can push it to. might try 1.2G
[21:09] <thrawed> try 4G
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[21:10] <Vibe> how I can see that turbo mode is set?
[21:10] <trevorman> the SMPS current limiter will probably kick in soon
[21:10] <trevorman> Vibe: vcgencmd measure_clock arm
[21:11] <jgrevich> so once you over clock, you set the sticky bit and it voids warranty? I thought that's only if you went outside of their suggestions.
[21:12] <jgrevich> http://elinux.org/RPi_Overclocking
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[21:12] <Vibe> giving -> frequency(45)=700074000
[21:12] <Vibe> but it will show higher just on high load?
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> it's crashing at boot and the shift-key on the keyboard isn't helping )-:
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[21:13] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: current_limit_override?
[21:13] <trevorman> Vibe: yes
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, dunno. trying 1100MHz next..
[21:14] <trevorman> jgrevich: warranty void if (force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit > 85) && over_voltage > 0
[21:14] <Vibe> ok
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> that's booted.
[21:15] <jgrevich> trevorman: thanks. IS there a way to check the sticky bit they talk of?
[21:15] <Vibe> lets see what happens soon
[21:15] <chithead> jgrevich: /proc/cpuinfo
[21:15] <trevorman> jgrevich: yeah. look at ^
[21:15] <Vibe> I have sometimes load ~3 cos using i2c/spi
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> temp=40.1'C
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> volt=1.35V
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> frequency(45)=1100000000
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> frequency(1)=500000000
[21:15] <jgrevich> trevorman: (chit head) thanks
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[21:17] <trevorman> jgrevich: the revision number high bit is the warranty bit. so if its blown then you'd have something like 1000002 there
[21:17] <trevorman> instead of just 0002
[21:18] <Vibe> gordonDrogon: how can you see that info?
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> Vibe, I'm running: watch -n1 '/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_volts ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock arm ; /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock core'
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[21:20] <gordonDrogon> going to try that SD card in the Pi that was crashing earlier. Seems stable enough at 1.1Ghz!
[21:20] <Vibe> thx
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[21:22] <Vibe> here its running just at 700MHz using just %sy and %wa
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[21:22] <Vibe> load is ~2
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[21:23] <enricov> exit
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[21:23] <markit> hi, new here, how is that some nick has the permission of speak and other not?
[21:24] <markit> I mean, how does it work? :)
[21:24] <Matt> everyone has the permission to speak
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> Hm. crashing Pi seems ok at 1.1GHz too.
[21:24] <markit> my irc client shows "V" flag to some nics, and not to others, thought was permission of speak
[21:24] <trevorman> markit: ignore the +v. it was for when people spammed the channel. everybody can talk.
[21:24] <Matt> in principle, PiBot voices people after they join which means we can moderate the channel if people are being problematic
[21:24] <Matt> and then remove their voice
[21:24] <markit> trevorman: ah, I see, thanks
[21:25] <Matt> but it's very much a matter of something that can happen in principle, rather than something that tends to be done
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[21:25] <gordonDrogon> spoke too soon - it's kernel panicd.
[21:25] <Matt> +v only affects whether you can speak or not if the channel is set +m, which it isn't
[21:26] <markit> btw, I've ordered my raspberry from RS in june... has still to arrive (italy) and revision of the MB is coming and I will get the older for sure, sigh... also I've seen a "cubieboard" project that looks to me like "the raspberry done right"
[21:26] <markit> rs wrote to me that the order is delayed even further...
[21:26] <scummos> hmm
[21:26] <scummos> should have ordered at farnell
[21:26] <scummos> they were pretty fast
[21:26] <scummos> like 2 weeks
[21:27] <markit> scummos: in UK?
[21:27] <scummos> in DE
[21:27] <scummos> shouldn't make much of a difference from Italy
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[21:27] <markit> urgh... when I ordered also only one was possible
[21:27] <scummos> oh
[21:27] <markit> so I was not able to order also one for my friend and share delivery expenses
[21:27] <scummos> farnell still only gives you one per order
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[21:28] <scummos> it didn't look like they would combine the shipment if you order more :(
[21:28] <NucWin> farnell use samsung ram which is apparently better than the hyinx rs use
[21:28] <scummos> oh cool xD
[21:28] <markit> I'll wait cubieboard to be available, and see if a "raspberry II" will be released then
[21:29] <markit> but I'm a bit upset by RS so far
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[21:29] <scummos> understandable
[21:32] <markit> isn't 256MB too few? When I was young 32K was luxyry but I don't remember with happines the days you had to make everything fit in small amount of ram
[21:32] <markit> I ordered RB to show children that a computer is not "windows" and nor is "that usual box"
[21:33] <scummos> 256 is totally fine for me
[21:33] <scummos> 40M for graphics, LXDE + standard OS takes like another 40
[21:33] <scummos> leaves a lot for other stuff
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[21:33] <markit> LXDE only 40MB???
[21:33] <scummos> LXDE takes even less, but the X libs and stuff eat a bit
[21:33] <markit> I've tried LXDE in 512 MB
[21:34] <markit> since my favourite KDE does not run well under 1GB
[21:34] <markit> well, ok, I will wait and see :)
[21:34] <scummos> yes, KDE is a bit more memory intensive than LXDE.
[21:34] <markit> "bit more" does not mean that LXDE can fit in 40MB... ;P
[21:34] <scummos> but LXDE runs just fine on the pi, from my experience it'll be below 1/3 of ram used
[21:34] <scummos> after startup
[21:34] <scummos> well try it out
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[21:35] <markit> I belive you, just sounds incredible
[21:35] <markit> they must have done tremendous cut and optimizations
[21:35] <scummos> well it's basically openbox with a wallpaper
[21:35] <markit> in any case, I'm happy to hear that "just works fine" :)
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[21:37] <scummos> http://lxde.org/lxde claims it'll run fine with 266MHz processor and 192MB of ram
[21:37] <scummos> oh 128 even
[21:37] <scummos> "After X11 and LXDE are started, the total memory usage is about 45 MB on i386 machines." they say
[21:38] <scummos> that matches what I experienced
[21:38] <markit> ok, 192MB ram means 64MB free
[21:38] <markit> once you run emacs you start swapping ;P
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[21:39] <scummos> as said it uses about 45 MB
[21:39] <scummos> the whole OS
[21:39] <agumonkey> acronym : checked
[21:39] <markit> scummos: ok, I stop discuss the issue because you have the PI, me not, so I have to belive you even if sounds so incredible
[21:39] <scummos> markit: sure, just try it out :)
[21:39] <markit> scummos: thanks for the info, I've less fear now :)
[21:40] <scummos> sur
[21:40] <scummos> e
[21:40] <markit> 'e' swapped? ;P
[21:40] <scummos> no, I just always hit the enter key too quickly
[21:42] <scummos> markit: I also like to run lxde over ssh -X, which uses even less memory on the pi, since you don't need to run X.
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[21:52] <trevorman> markit: the cubieboard is very poorly documented at the moment. it will probably improve in the future but until then it is buyer beware. support for the A10 is a bit sketchy at the moment as well.
[21:52] <kim-jong> i want a pandaboard
[21:52] <kim-jong> to actively play around with
[21:52] <kim-jong> the pi has too low specs to do system shit with
[21:53] <kim-jong> it's gonna keep playing homeserver
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[21:55] <markit> trevorman: I've been fascinated by 1GB of ram and a much more powerful CPU ;P
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[21:57] <dyme21> Could someone here help me with video playback?
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[21:58] <dyme21> Videos always run @ 23.8 FPS
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[21:59] <dyme21> Anyone know how to change that?
[21:59] <trevorman> markit: just saying that there are some potential issues with the cubieboard and all A10 devices in general
[21:59] <trevorman> markit: another is that nobody seems to know who is actually making the cubieboard
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[22:00] <dyme21> So it can't be fixed?
[22:00] <trevorman> the domain has the whois details hidden and its got cloudflare proxying it
[22:00] <trevorman> no details on the site as well
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[22:03] <bampersand> Hey guys, for learning purposes i'd like to use my raspberry pi as a man in the middle per se, I'd like to connect a keyboard to it and then have the rpi act as a keyboard to another computer (I guess you could say keylogger but that's not the goal), any ideas how I could start on such a thing? (I'm not sure exactly what to google)
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[22:04] <trevorman> bampersand: the RPi isn't capable of being a USB slave device. you'd need to solve that to make your setup work
[22:04] <prg3> bampersand: VNC server on the other computer and vnc client on the pi?
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[22:06] <bampersand> trevorman: oh that's a shame, there's plenty of keyloggers out there that I could just buy (some nifty wireless ones too, but it was just for learning that I was interested), prg3 i'd prefer if I didn't have to install anything on the computer, so i'm guessing that's out of the question
[22:06] <bampersand> by computer I mean the main computer, not the rpi.
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[22:07] <bampersand> perhaps a PS/2 splitter would work? then it would only need to record not emulate presses?
[22:08] <bampersand> basically i'm wanting to make lots of things, say keyloggers, ethernet sniffers (basically just capturing http requests), there's devices out there for this but i'd prefer if I didn't have to carry them all around with me, rather just my rpi. (again it's all for learning)
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> ok. so one Pi ok at 1.1GHz. another ok at 1GHz. lets try the 3rd - I've already overvolted that to see if it would go at 1GHz and it didn't .. maybe this will be better..
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[22:10] <markit> trevorman: I see
[22:11] <prg3> bampersand: if it's windows, maybe RDP?
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[22:12] <prg3> bampersand: Although with what you are trying to do.. that's the wrong approach. you'd need to find a way to make the pi a usb target
[22:12] <vvompy> scummos: since your using ?? I guess you're able to read this ;) http://pastie.org/4762827
[22:12] <vvompy> *you're
[22:13] <trevorman> bampersand: the PS/2 splitters you can buy aren't wired for what you want but if you can make it tap the data + clock lines then yes, you'd be able to do it
[22:13] <trevorman> bampersand: the splitters are generally for combined keyboard/mouse ports on a laptop that you need to break out into two sockets so you can attach both devices
[22:13] <bampersand> okay, any way it sounds way too advanced for my knowledge level (I know you learn by experience, but I wouldn't know where to start)
[22:14] <scummos> vvompy: maybe sudo is broken, did you try running it as root? :D
[22:15] <bampersand> I guess I've been watching too many movies lately, basically I'm wanting to make some spy tools for the sake of it. I plan on using my rpi as a portable computer with an arm mounted lcd display
[22:15] <trevorman> bampersand: the RPi would be fine as a network sniffer assuming you don't need gigabit speeds
[22:15] <scummos> vvompy: it doesn't look like a serious error
[22:15] <bampersand> trevorman: okay that's good then.
[22:16] <trevorman> bampersand: making it connect to regular serial ports wouldn't be difficult either
[22:16] <bampersand> wait, it's only got one jack, would I have to use the GPIO pins?
[22:16] <trevorman> bampersand: if you want inline then you'd need to add another USB ethernet dongle
[22:16] <bampersand> hmm that would work, ideally i'd want to keep the project as small as possible
[22:17] <bampersand> any way, i've got an idea that I should be able to do now.
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[22:17] <trevorman> bampersand: you can force unmanaged switches to send you all packets on each port. not a good idea to do it if you don't have permission from the network administrator though!
[22:17] <vvompy> scummos: I am trying to run down that list here to see how far I get and right now it stucks at eglibc.. http://www.cidtux.com/1/post/2012/07/how-to-install-gcc-compiler-for-arm-arm-linux-gnueabi-on-archlinux.html
[22:17] <trevorman> bampersand: if you do that then you only need 1 ethernet connection
[22:18] <bampersand> basically i've got thousands of ebooks, too many for my kindle to hold, i've got them all on sd cards, I was figuring that I could use my rpi to transfer them to the kindle when needed, and I just found http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/11/kindleberry_pi/ which is great.
[22:18] <scummos> vvompy: did you try using an ARM client, like yaourt or so
[22:18] <scummos> "ARM"
[22:18] <scummos> I meant AUR
[22:19] <trevorman> bampersand: hmm. you'd have to preselect the books to transfer but it'd be doable.
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[22:19] <trevorman> bampersand: or send it over the debugging network interface if you can enable that on your particular kindle
[22:19] <scummos> vvompy: did you try running as root
[22:19] <scummos> otherwise, I don't know
[22:19] <bampersand> trevorman: yeah i'd select them through the rpi (using the kindle as a monitor)
[22:19] <vvompy> I will try to run it as root now..will take a while
[22:19] <trevorman> bampersand: you can't interact with the the Kindle in USB drive mode so you'd need to do it before the transfer
[22:19] <vvompy> I'll give some feedback
[22:19] <vvompy> thanks for now
[22:19] <bampersand> trevorman: oh.
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[22:20] <bampersand> uh, I don't know. Basically i'm wanting to carry my whole library around with me at once, I've got all my ebooks on some microsd cards and don't know the best way to do this.
[22:20] <bampersand> I don't carry a laptop around with me and when I'm out I generally don't have access to a computer.
[22:20] <trevorman> bampersand: if you can hack the kindle and enable the debugging USB network then you'd be fine however. you'd need to do that to make it into a terminal anyway.
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[22:21] <bampersand> trevorman: yeah I could do that. The only thing is how would I power the rpi when I'm out? standard batteries?
[22:21] <kim-jong> there should be a way to do it w/ a rechargable battery
[22:21] <kim-jong> with its own charger
[22:22] <kim-jong> and u leave the pi on battery
[22:22] <trevorman> people have done it with just 4 AAs if you want easy
[22:22] <trevorman> you can buy little lithium battery packs that are intended to recharge your phone when out and about. the rpi will run off that with no problems
[22:22] <kim-jong> battery life would be an important factor
[22:23] <bampersand> kim-jong: I wouldn't be transferring the files for long.
[22:23] <kim-jong> since we don't want the device to powerout && crash after a few hours in the wild
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[22:24] <bampersand> any way, ignoring the kindle situation, I'm considering using the rpi as a portable computer with a 3.5" lcd mounted onto my arm, I'm needing a power supply that would last longer than 2 hours, I'm guessing the lcd would drain batteries quick?
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[22:24] <trevorman> the backlight will if you just leave it on. you'd need to dim it when possible and completely shut it off when you're not using it.
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[22:25] <bampersand> a smartphone would do lots of the things I'm wanting it's just I wouldn't want to be traceable.
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[22:26] <SpeedEvil> the pi is barking mad for a low power device
[22:26] <dennistlg> gordonDrogon my pi is runing stable at 1ghz without overvolting (with an older rasbian)
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> bampersand: 'air plane mode'
[22:26] <SpeedEvil> the pi uses 2w or so idle
[22:26] <bampersand> SpeedEvil: okay that would work, I guess a smartphone is more practicle for my needs
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[22:30] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, I couldn't get any of mine above 900 without overvoting..
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> dennistlg, however the turbo mode has gotten one to 1.1Ghz.
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> just trying No.1 (which is really No 1) at 1.1G
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> and if this all works OK, I'll put the new raspbian on all 3 and leave them at 1.0G
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[22:34] <dennistlg> gordon did that mean turbo mode arrive higher clock as manual overclock?
[22:35] <[SLB]> or maybe performance governor?
[22:35] <trevorman> turbo mode overvolts
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> no - same clock but it's auto overvolting at the same time.
[22:35] <trevorman> well. the dynamic scaling does anyway
[22:35] <dennistlg> ah ok
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> however I did try overvolt on this Pi once, but this seems somewhat better...
[22:35] <trevorman> but still... not bad. 1.1ghz from 700mhz
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[22:36] <dennistlg> will see next days what turbo mode does with my pi
[22:36] <trevorman> dennistlg: turbo mode is the old behaviour
[22:36] <trevorman> turbo mode off is the dynamic scaling
[22:36] <dennistlg> ok
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> well that seems OK at 1.1GHz
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[22:37] <gordonDrogon> date I try 1.2...
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> in for a penny..
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> nope. Hehe..
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[22:38] <gordonDrogon> kernel null pointer.
[22:39] <dennistlg> :-( ^^
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> so 2 at 1.1 and 1 at 1.0
[22:39] <[SLB]> and ram freq?
[22:39] <[SLB]> default?
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[22:40] <gordonDrogon> Hm. never tried ram ,just core freq: http://unicorn.drogon.net/config.txt
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[22:40] <[SLB]> ah okay
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[22:41] <gordonDrogon> wasn't sure turbo could do ram freq... let me re-read..
[22:41] <bakers> With the latest version of raspbian, what's the easiest way to get Quake3 on my pi?
[22:41] <[SLB]> bakers, http://sheasilverman.com/rpi/raspbian/Quake3-raspbian.zip
[22:41] <dennistlg> on manual overclocking mine was 550
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> oh, sdram_freq is in there.
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[22:42] <[SLB]> default is 250 i think
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> 400.
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> looks like 500 might be the top.
[22:42] <[SLB]> hm
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[22:43] <[SLB]> oh right, core default is 250
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> hm. no way to measure sdram speed.
[22:46] <cave> hi, i want to show a growing file in realtim ls -lh < tail <--- somethin like that. but it is not working
[22:46] <trevorman> cave: tail -f yourfilehere
[22:46] <[SLB]> i think he means the dimension?
[22:47] <cave> and how to tell tail, it should read the output from "ls -lh"
[22:47] <trevorman> oh
[22:47] <cave> pipe the output from ls to tail... but updating
[22:48] <[SLB]> watch -n1 ls -lh yourfile
[22:48] <trevorman> what [SLB] said
[22:48] <cave> watch not found...
[22:48] <[SLB]> updates each second
[22:49] <cave> watch --help -> -ash: watch: not found
[22:49] <dennistlg> gordon http://lmbench.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/man?keyword=bw_mem&section=8
[22:49] <[SLB]> install watch?
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[22:53] <cave> damn, in busybox watch is disabled by default
[22:53] <linuxstb> while [ true ] ; do ls -lh yourfile ; sleep 1; done
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> do clear ; data ; ...
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> s/data/date/
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> 21:52:18 up 11 min, 2 users, load average: 24.46, 8.66, 3.55
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> temp=54.1'C
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> volt=1.35V
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> frequency(45)=1100000000
[22:54] <gordonDrogon> frequency(1)=500000000
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[22:56] <gordonDrogon> that was a make -j on a 40-file project
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[22:59] <CampinSam> Hey, does anyone here use raspberrypi for irc bouncing purposes?
[23:00] <[SLB]> yes
[23:00] <CampinSam> could you explain a little what is needed to do it?
[23:00] <CampinSam> I'm considering buying one for the express purpose of irc, and other personal endeavors
[23:00] <trevorman> I don't but if you want to do it yourself then get the znc and znc-extras packages from the repo
[23:00] <[SLB]> i use znc, install znc and znc-extra
[23:00] <[SLB]> eheh
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[23:01] <CampinSam> [SLB]: so like, is it effective for it?
[23:02] <CampinSam> I figure it would be nice for keeping a constant log as well
[23:02] <[SLB]> yes works perfectly here, you can set the buffer lines to keep for each channel separately or globally
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[23:02] <[SLB]> it also has an easy to use web interface for config
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[23:25] <Fleck> AC`97 yep, changed HDMI cable - artifacts are gone...
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[23:35] <djazz> ha, i made a cpu info monitoring the temperature and the current cpu frequency scaling using node.js http://djazz.mine.nu:8080/cpuinfo/
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[23:36] <djazz> its fun to try stuff that lowers the temperature
[23:36] <djazz> like, blowing on it
[23:37] * bertrik (~quassel@rockbox/developer/bertrik) Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[23:38] <AC`97> or liquid nitrogen
[23:38] <djazz> :)
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[23:39] <djazz> is there a way to get cpu usage in %?
[23:39] <djazz> a command?
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[23:41] <AC`97> somewhere in /proc, perhaps
[23:42] <AC`97> or you can always look at load values
[23:42] <chithead> top
[23:43] <djazz> chithead: raw value, for my program to read
[23:44] <djazz> AC`97: yeah
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[23:44] <chithead> djazz: top infers cpu usage from reading total cpu time for the idle process, then waiting for a predefined interval, then reading again
[23:45] <djazz> chithead: yeah, i use top... to check what process that uses most cpu..
[23:45] <chithead> I mean you can do in your program the same thing which top does
[23:46] <djazz> yes
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[23:46] <fairuz> iirc, you can get cpu load % from /proc/stat
[23:46] <fairuz> need t odo some calculations though
[23:46] <demona> Followed all instructions for writing images to SD cards. All failed.
[23:46] <trevorman> djazz: load average for past minute. if >= 1 then 100%
[23:46] <fairuz> *to do
[23:47] <demona> I blame x86.
[23:47] <djazz> trevorman: yeah, node.js got a loadavg function
[23:47] <djazz> for a minute
[23:48] <trevorman> its not exactly cpu utilization though
[23:48] <demona> Win32DiskImager: Fail. flashnul: Fail. Access denied, device not ready, million other errors. Format, rinse, repeat.
[23:48] <demona> Run as administrator? Fail.
[23:48] <demona> Double check write tab. Not locked.
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[23:49] <chithead> install cygwin, use its dd
[23:49] <demona> Knew I should have just ordered an SD card pre-imaged.
[23:50] <linuxstb> demona: Try a friend's computer?
[23:50] <chithead> that is a rip-off. just use what works (ie. not win32diskimager)
[23:50] <demona> PC's just suck.
[23:50] <demona> That's why I wanted something better.
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[23:51] <chithead> trying to write the image from windows is just asking for trouble
[23:51] <fairuz> demona: Try Ubuntu. :D
[23:51] <demona> Yeah.
[23:51] <demona> Thanks for that.
[23:52] <chithead> cygwin dd works fine
[23:52] <[diecast]> what's better than a computer?
[23:52] <demona> Go to hell and die. Fucking Linux arseholes.
[23:52] <[diecast]> two computers?
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[23:52] <markbook> wow
[23:52] * Amoz (~Amoz@nl107-187-231.student.uu.se) Quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)
[23:53] <[diecast]> and thats why some channels ban weechat/webchat stuff
[23:53] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: I just broke my connection, but no worries, we can rebuild it. We have the technology.)
[23:53] <[SLB]> but weechat is only for linux no? so hm that person was a linux user as well, lol fail
[23:54] <[diecast]> my mistake.. never heard of weechat, i thought that was some webclient software =)
[23:55] <markbook> I just generally don't blame software for my inability to use it.
[23:56] <markbook> Or people who are otherwise trying to work with me (regardless of their attitude)
[23:57] <fairuz> djazz: I remember my colleagues made a tool that uses /proc/stat to shows graphs of cpu load in % (for all cpus) with intervals like 20 ms or something
[23:57] <djazz> aha
[23:58] <djazz> how does the file work? ;d
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