#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-09-22

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[0:00] <dyme21> I'm installing it atm.
[0:00] <cerjam> when i tried it it didnt work very well at all
[0:00] <steve_rox> if i rember right it just halted on me with cpu 100%
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[0:01] <dyme21> I only want it because omxplayer won't play subtitles
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[0:02] <steve_rox> oh
[0:02] <cerjam> omxplayer plays subtittles o_o
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[0:02] <dyme21> It hasn't been working for me...
[0:03] <steve_rox> was just watching lithium pollimers that had gone bad in iphones , somewhat amuseing
[0:03] <trevorman> dyme21: vlc doesn't know how to do HW acceleration on the RPi
[0:05] <SgrA> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8478 < I'm trying to follow the steps here to cross compile stuff for my RPi, but when I try to chroot into it, chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash': Exec format error
[0:05] <dyme21> Alright then, time to uninstall lol
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[0:15] <steve_rox> did you fail to get vlc working?
[0:16] <aaa801> Sgra: you didnt copy qemu did u
[0:16] <aaa801> ;)
[0:16] <aaa801> sudo cp /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static /mnt/usr/bin
[0:16] <steve_rox> wassat do
[0:17] <Netham45> Had a stray strand of wire short 5v and GPIO 4, what are the chances that the fuse caught it and kept it from blowing anything?
[0:17] <Netham45> Not powering up right now.
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[0:17] <steve_rox> there is no fuze between the gpio pins
[0:17] <steve_rox> gpio have no protection
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[0:18] <Netham45> The wiki says otherwise
[0:18] <steve_rox> as i understand go direct into the chip
[0:18] <axion> gpio has no fuse
[0:18] <Netham45> If you momentarily shorted the two end GPIO pins together (+3.3V and +5V), or a supply pin to ground, and the Pi appears to be dead, don't panic. The input polyfuse may have tripped. It is self-resetting after it cools down and the polymer re-crystallizes, which can take several hours. Set the Pi aside and try again later.
[0:18] <Netham45> From the wiki
[0:18] <trevorman> Netham45: thats not talking about the gpio pins
[0:18] <trevorman> the fuse is on the power input
[0:18] <Netham45> ah, shit
[0:18] <Netham45> :|
[0:19] <steve_rox> you can check the polyfuze with multimeter probly
[0:19] <trevorman> but *shrug* might be okay. not much you can do apart from test it.
[0:19] <Netham45> trevorman, it's not powering right now
[0:19] <Netham45> not even the red LED
[0:19] <steve_rox> check polys
[0:19] <steve_rox> if they have resistance of 0 ya scrrewedc
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[0:20] <trevorman> the polyfuse will never register 0 resistance
[0:20] <steve_rox> near enough
[0:20] <trevorman> Netham45: you got a multimeter? what is the voltage across TP1 and TP2?
[0:20] <advancednewbie_> djazz, got some source?
[0:20] <advancednewbie_> For your sys mon?
[0:21] <trevorman> Netham45: the PWR LED not lighting up at all is odd considering it is just wired across 5V and ground. you can't turn it off without removing power completely. it may be as the wiki says and the input polyfuse has gone high resistance.
[0:22] <Netham45> Do I need to measure resistance between TP1 and TP2 or voltage?
[0:22] <trevorman> voltage
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[0:23] <djazz> advancednewbie_: hold on, pastebin...
[0:23] <steve_rox> wow that would be a disaster
[0:23] <steve_rox> resistance check over tp1/2
[0:23] <advancednewbie_> Thanks
[0:24] <steve_rox> what
[0:24] <steve_rox> voltage check dammit
[0:25] <djazz> advancednewbie_: http://pastebin.com/c0tD2Fsx
[0:25] <djazz> the servercode
[0:25] <advancednewbie_> Perfect.
[0:25] <advancednewbie_> Looks great.
[0:26] <Netham45> The reading between tp1 and tp2 started at 1.8v and slowly dropped down to 1v where it hung
[0:26] <Netham45> Safe to assume that's the fuse?
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[0:26] <Netham45> If it matters I had GPIO 4 outputting low
[0:26] <Netham45> when they shorted
[0:27] <AR_> pwr on LED is from 3.3v to gnd
[0:27] <AR_> not 5v
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[0:27] <trevorman> can you measure resistance across the big green fuse on the bottom near the USB power socket?
[0:27] <djazz> advancednewbie_: thx :D
[0:27] <Netham45> trevorman, F2?
[0:28] <obcd> resistance is measuring without power connected...
[0:28] <trevorman> its F3 on my RPi. what obcd said also
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[0:29] <SgrA> aaa801: I did, but I'm using Arch Linux on my desktop system, and qemu-arm-static is not available. I copied over qemu-arm as qemu-arm-static.
[0:29] <trevorman> you're either looking at the wrong fuse or r2 changed it...
[0:29] <advancednewbie_> djazz, this will save me some time :) glad I popped by, gotta go though, talk to you later :)
[0:29] <AR_> Netham45, tp1 and tp2 voltage should be 5v
[0:29] <djazz> advancednewbie_: your welcome :D
[0:30] <trevorman> Netham45: you looking at the green fuse on the bottom by the micro USB socket?
[0:30] <AR_> F3 is on 5v input line
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[0:31] <AR_> measuring from tp1 to pin 1 of microUSB is across F3
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[0:34] <Netham45> F3 was reading random numbers in the 20k ohm range
[0:35] <Netham45> and it's also quite hot to the touch while plugged in
[0:35] <trevorman> it was getting hotter whilst plugged in? thats not a good sign...
[0:35] <trevorman> let it cool down and measure the resistance
[0:36] <AR_> then it is acting as resistor
[0:36] <AR_> put it away
[0:36] <AR_> or in freezer
[0:37] <Netham45> I should be able to jump F3 and have it work, no?
[0:37] <Netham45> Just to see if that's all that's wrong, not permanently.
[0:37] <AC`97> ...
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[0:39] <trevorman> Netham45: don't do that :P
[0:39] <AC`97> you might make something wrong... permanently.
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[0:41] <AR_> regardless
[0:41] <AR_> you can try
[0:41] <[SLB]> djazz, how am i supposed to use the node.js?
[0:41] <AC`97> if you have a variable lab power supply, you can supply power through the gpio 5v and ground
[0:41] <AR_> if you think your short tripped the fuse
[0:41] <AC`97> set current lowww though
[0:41] <AR_> just jump the fuse dont be a homo
[0:42] <AC`97> lol
[0:42] <AC`97> AR_: what if he's wrong and the short is still there?
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[0:42] <AR_> powering through other 5v pin is same as bypassing the fuse
[0:42] <AR_> just do it
[0:42] <AC`97> . . .
[0:42] <djazz> [SLB]: node server.js
[0:42] <dyme21> Can anyone else here play mkvs in OMX?
[0:43] <AC`97> dyme21: should be possible.
[0:43] <AR_> AC`97, then the short is still there
[0:43] <cerjam> dyme21, no problem
[0:43] <djazz> you need to remove the 'localhost' parameter
[0:43] <GabrialDestruir> Curious, is there a way to fix the banners on the database for openelec?
[0:43] <djazz> and smth more
[0:43] <cerjam> almot all my media is mkv
[0:43] <djazz> [SLB]: i use it through nginx atm
[0:43] <[SLB]> hm okay thanks i'll try
[0:43] <GabrialDestruir> Same here, I use mkv almost exclusively when I can.
[0:43] <dyme21> It keeps crashing before it even starts playing
[0:44] <GabrialDestruir> mkv is just the container, what matters is what's inside the container.
[0:44] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: you'll probably get more responses in #openelec
[0:44] <AR_> Netham45, did you jump the fuse and does it work
[0:44] <GabrialDestruir> Eh probably, but I figured I'd try here first since it's on the pi
[0:45] <dyme21> codec is h264
[0:45] <dyme21> Audio is aac
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[0:45] <dyme21> subs are ASS
[0:46] <GabrialDestruir> Could be a bad build OMX... try a different version to isolate the issue?
[0:46] <trevorman> dyme21: it should play h264 with no problems. audio will probably be broken though as AAC decoding is too processor intensive for the RPi and we can't HW decode yet.
[0:46] <trevorman> and it should be fine with MKVs as well...
[0:46] <Netham45> AR_, I'ma just toss it in the fridge, I've got to leave for 4 or 5 hours in about 20 minutes anyways.
[0:46] <AR_> yeah sounds good
[0:47] <dyme21> I'll play around with it a bit and comeback if I still can't get it
[0:47] <dyme21> Thanks
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[0:50] <tonsofpcs> got a '7.1 channel' usb sound card working on my raspberry pi, obviously it draws too much current, and the powered USB hub I just bought apparently is missing the "USB hub" part of the design... (no data passes through, voltage/current does) :(
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[0:51] <AC`97> tonsofpcs: did you try different cable ??
[0:51] <AC`97> tonsofpcs: also, got pic of usb dongle ??
[0:51] <tonsofpcs> AC`97: it's one of those boxy ones, lemme link
[0:51] <AC`97> tonsofpcs: why are my question marks upside down ??
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[0:52] <tonsofpcs> http://www.diamondmm.com/xtreme-sound-71-usb-audio-device-for-pc-and-mac-os-xs71u.php
[0:52] <tonsofpcs> ^^
[0:53] <AC`97> tonsofpcs: that's uh... boxy
[0:53] * IT_Sean drops a mexican garden slug down the back of AC`97's shirt
[0:53] <tonsofpcs> I said that.
[0:53] <AC`97> D:<
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[0:53] <IT_Sean> Alright... so... time to update the iPhone to iOS 6
[0:53] <tonsofpcs> it's a bit longer than the pi, a bit shorter than the plastic case I have the pi in, and a bit narrower
[0:54] <tonsofpcs> IT_Sean: what features did they copy from RIM BBOS 3 in this version? *ducks* :)
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[0:54] <IT_Sean> Does anyone even still USE blackberries anymore?
[0:54] <AC`97> tonsofpcs: i like the BS-out jack
[0:55] <tonsofpcs> Back/Side out
[0:55] <AC`97> orly
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[0:55] <GabrialDestruir> Business still use things like Blackberry...
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[1:02] <bircoe> our organisation won't use Blackberry's... they don't meet high enough security requirements!
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[1:03] <tonsofpcs> ok, so what do I need to do to aplay out the onboard audio interface?
[1:03] <scummos> um, you need to do something for that?
[1:03] <scummos> what?
[1:03] <scummos> doesn't it... just work?
[1:03] <bircoe> you need to select the correct output via alsa mixer
[1:03] <tonsofpcs> apparently not
[1:03] <bircoe> do you have HDMI plugged in?
[1:04] <tonsofpcs> aplay -D sysdefault:CARD=ALSA ./xyzzy.wav
[1:04] <tonsofpcs> Playing WAVE './xyzzy.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Stereo
[1:04] <tonsofpcs> I hear nothing. No HDMI and HDMI was not plugged in on boot.
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[1:05] <bircoe> sudo amixer cset numid=3
[1:05] <bircoe> try that
[1:05] <bircoe> sudo amixer cset numid=3 2 rather
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[1:07] <tonsofpcs> oh, there is output, it's just _REALLY_ low
[1:08] <bircoe> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Sound
[1:08] <mrpackethead> output...
[1:09] <mrpackethead> anybody know of a media player that will start playing a media clip very quickly ( even if it has to preload into memory )
[1:10] <bircoe> what have you tried?
[1:10] <mrpackethead> just omxplayer
[1:10] <tonsofpcs> mrpackethead: what sort of media?
[1:10] <mrpackethead> could supply the video clips in virtually any format
[1:11] <tonsofpcs> bircoe: I just opened alsamixer and turned it up and heard it, lowered it back and turned my amp up
[1:11] <bircoe> as far as I know omxplayer is the only hardware accelerated player at the moment... have you tried VLC or mplayer?
[1:11] <mrpackethead> they are all pretty short.
[1:11] <mrpackethead> nothing would be longer than 60 seconds
[1:11] <mrpackethead> i'm trying to get a bunch of pi's to display stuff in a synced way
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[1:12] <IT_Sean> /clear
[1:12] <IT_Sean> gah
[1:13] <bircoe> good work!
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[1:14] <steve_rox> did that guy manage to get his pi going again?
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[1:27] <mrpackethead> i just find the PI idea so good
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[1:31] <mrpackethead> could someone point me to a wiki / man pages or other info for omxplayer
[1:31] <mrpackethead> i've got it running but ams truggling to find out much about it
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[1:34] <Dyskette> I don't think there's really much more documentation than https://github.com/huceke/omxplayer#readme
[1:36] <mrpackethead> THANKS
[1:37] <mrpackethead> i've got no idea what kind of video formats it will play
[1:37] <mrpackethead> have only just tryed mpg so for
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[1:37] <cerjam> welp, time to boot into mint and give this a go
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[1:44] <mrpackethead> im just kind of suprized that a video player that does what i need it to do doe'snt really exisit
[1:44] <mrpackethead> :-)
[1:44] <[SLB]> is nodejs in the repos? it'd spare me to compile it myself, taking quite some time
[1:45] <cerjam> considering theres only one real videoplayer for the rpi, i dont see why thats surprising
[1:45] <cerjam> the entire idea beheind the rpi is make it yourself if you need it
[1:47] <GabrialDestruir> I've yet to actually get nodejs to compile
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[1:48] <[SLB]> been 1h by now
[1:48] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[1:48] <[SLB]> heys
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[1:48] <SSilver2k2> howdy
[1:49] <tonsofpcs> mrpackethead: what you want doesn't really exist outside of purpose-built devices
[1:49] <tonsofpcs> and even then it's more often one playback device and multiple display devices
[1:50] <mrpackethead> @tonsofpc, well, then its a matter of solving that problem
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[1:55] <Dyskette> [SLB]: nodejs is in the repos, yeah.
[1:56] <[SLB]> is it apt-get install node?
[1:56] <Dyskette> nodejs
[1:56] <Dyskette> But otherwise, yeah.
[1:56] <[SLB]> ah thanks
[1:57] <Dyskette> It's an old version though, I think.
[1:57] <Dyskette> 0.6.19 whereas current is 0.8.9?
[1:57] <[SLB]> it's fetching also libv8- if that matters hm
[1:58] <[SLB]> let's see
[1:58] <[SLB]> current 0.8.9 yes
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[2:58] <cerjam> anyone in here a tequila drinker
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[3:08] <Syliss> vodka here
[3:08] <cerjam> is 22bux for a 1.75 of stoli decent
[3:08] <cerjam> or i should ask, is stoli good.
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[3:09] <Syliss> its decent
[3:10] <Syliss> and for 22 should be good
[3:10] <cerjam> have you tried Rain vodka?
[3:10] <mrpackethead> alchohol made from rain?
[3:11] <des2> For 3 more bucks you can have a model A
[3:11] <mrpackethead> i knew the polluiton in teh northern hemisphere was bad... but
[3:11] <Syliss> which don't exist yet...
[3:11] <Syliss> i haven't tried rain
[3:11] <mrpackethead> and you have to wonder how useful a non connected device is these days
[3:14] <Syliss> i really want the model a
[3:15] <Syliss> would be great for the lapdock
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[3:16] <des2> If you are doing WiFi on your Pi you are paying for a $10 ethernet connector you aren't using.
[3:16] <Syliss> exactly
[3:16] <Syliss> which I'm not yet
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[3:24] <CaptainOblivious> The iControlpad 2 looks like a great controller to use for XBMC purposes..
[3:24] <CaptainOblivious> http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/icontrolpad-2.jpg
[3:24] <CaptainOblivious> Wonder if I could use the dpad to go through the interface and the keyboard for typing
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[4:45] <GabrialDestruir> Oh wow... this is what I get for not paying attention! Codec Licenses!
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[4:47] <heathkid> I got those
[4:48] <heathkid> des2: and it only took a couple months to get the wifi working too! :)
[4:48] <des2> heh
[4:49] <cerjam> i want to do some fun rpi haxing.
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[4:52] <GabrialDestruir> Anyone have a good guide to setup Live TV for xbmc/openelec? I asked for info in the openelec room but no answers yet.
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[5:14] <advancednewbie_> I bought a wifi pineapple.... Seems like the rasp pi is a little bit too involved to be 'done deal' hacker tool just yet
[5:14] <advancednewbie_> wifi pineapple's awesome :)
[5:15] <des2> wth is a pineapple
[5:15] <advancednewbie_> It's an tool to do man-in-the-middle attacks for wifi
[5:16] <des2> ah
[5:16] <advancednewbie_> It 'pretends' to be your preferred network (ie. the saved networks you have on your iphone, laptop, etc....)
[5:16] <des2> Well that's not nice of it.
[5:16] <advancednewbie_> And you phone/laptop, etc... automatically connect to the wifi pineapple.
[5:17] <advancednewbie_> connects*
[5:17] <advancednewbie_> Then your wifi pineapple allows access to the internet.
[5:17] <advancednewbie_> Then your phone connects to your email automatically and your facebook too.
[5:17] <advancednewbie_> And the wifi pineapple, being in the middle, captures all your data.
[5:18] <advancednewbie_> Your welcome.
[5:19] <Dagger2> how does it capture your welcome?
[5:19] <Dagger2> </grammarnazi>
[5:19] <advancednewbie_> If you type it.
[5:20] <advancednewbie_> You are?
[5:20] <advancednewbie_> You ARE
[5:20] <advancednewbie_> You're. "They're". You're welcome.
[5:21] <Dagger2> thank you ;)
[5:21] <advancednewbie_> No probs.
[5:21] <advancednewbie_> HUGE fucking party going on next door :|
[5:21] <advancednewbie_> "I'm fucking drunk and you should come home with me"
[5:22] <advancednewbie_> "I know you're a dick head it's okay"
[5:22] <advancednewbie_> "Ahh, but I drive a big truck"
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[5:22] <AC`97> . . .
[5:22] <advancednewbie_> "Ahh, well I have a thong in my asshole but you can't have it"
[5:22] <advancednewbie_> "ahhh, smoke this."
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[5:23] <advancednewbie_> That's all I got.
[5:23] <advancednewbie_> Anyways, good night people.
[5:23] <advancednewbie_> Have some logical fun :)
[5:23] <advancednewbie_> G'night
[5:27] <des2> Night and thanks for the explanation
[5:30] <heathkid> makes more sense now
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[5:30] <heathkid> must have something to do with the pinapple too
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[5:45] <Xeppo> I have a question regarding edid
[5:45] <AR_> Netham45, did you get back yet
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[5:47] <Xeppo> I am having the hardeast time in the world getting my Dell 30" monitor to display at anything other than 640x280
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[5:48] <AR_> please disconnect it and dispose in trash can
[5:48] <Netham45> AR_, yea, not getting anything out of it
[5:48] <Netham45> I don't know what the fuck happened, but I'm not even getting the power light
[5:48] <AR_> Netham45, weird
[5:49] <Netham45> known good PSU
[5:49] <Xeppo> AR_, was that directed at me?
[5:49] <AR_> yea
[5:49] <AR_> Netham45, the resistance across the fuse is now what
[5:49] <Xeppo> I'll take that under advisement
[5:50] <Netham45> Not sure, multimeter's downstairs.
[5:50] <Netham45> I'll check in a couple minutes.
[5:50] <Netham45> I just got home about 5 minutes ago.
[5:50] <AR_> ok
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[5:51] <Netham45> The fuse is burning hot to the touch though
[5:51] <Netham45> after maybe 5 seconds plugged in
[5:52] <AR_> weird
[5:52] <Xeppo> I have the edid.dat if that would help anyone
[5:53] <Netham45> My guess would be that the 5v to 3.3v downstepper burned out somehow, if I jump the fuse the capacitor nearest the power connector gets hot.
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[5:56] <des2> Well that's unfortunate.
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[5:57] <des2> Xeppo the Dell 30" is dual link.
[5:57] <des2> Which model Dell 30" do you have ?
[5:58] <Xeppo> U3011
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[5:58] <Xeppo> I have it connected through HDMI
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[5:58] <PiRocketman> Evening all
[5:59] <des2> I see it has an HDMI port built in.
[5:59] <Xeppo> I'm aware that I probably won't get full 2560x1600
[5:59] <des2> right.
[5:59] <Xeppo> but I can't even get 1080p
[5:59] <Netham45> Is newark.com not loading for anyone else?
[5:59] <Xeppo> honestly, it won't show anything unless I manually edit the config file
[5:59] <des2> newark.com is fine here
[6:00] <Xeppo> and apparently I'm doing something wrong there, because I'm only getting 640x480 or something equally as shitty
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[6:00] <des2> So you boot with it plugged into the Pi and you only get 640x480
[6:01] <PiRocketman> Isn't force_turbo=1 supposed to turn off the ondemand governor?
[6:01] <PiRocketman> I want to set my Pi to a constant clockrate
[6:01] <Xeppo> correct
[6:01] <PiRocketman> the governor does a poor job of reacting quickly to high CPU demand and it turns the clock back down to default 700mhz much too quickly
[6:01] <PiRocketman> It is virtually worthless imo
[6:02] <des2> Which OS Xeppo ?
[6:02] <Netham45> Who was the other company that sold the RPi?
[6:02] <des2> Farnell, Element 14. Allied, Newark.
[6:02] <Xeppo> des 2 the newest raspbian image
[6:03] <des2> Netham45 are youj in the us ?
[6:03] <Netham45> Yea
[6:03] <Xeppo> I jst downloaded it
[6:03] <des2> Buy it off their ebay listing Netham45
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[6:03] <PiRocketman> Hmmm, I did sudo nano /boot/config.txt and put a line saying force_turbo=1 at the bottom, saved and rebooted, but the CPU monitoring applet in xfce is still reporting 700mhz ondemand
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[6:04] <des2> Oops they sold out again: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380473672724
[6:04] <PiRocketman> excuse me, meant LXDE
[6:05] <PiRocketman> des2, hope that just means they are out of old stock and all future boards will be Rev 2 units.
[6:06] <Netham45> Is the RPi Type A selling yet?
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[6:06] <Xeppo> des2, I got it!
[6:07] <des2> No the A is before the year ends sometime
[6:07] <Xeppo> 1080p only, though
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[6:07] <Netham45> Disappointing
[6:07] <des2> What did you do Xeppo ?
[6:07] <PiRocketman> If I set force_turbo=1 do I have to set all the clock speeds manually in config.txt or should setting in raspi-config work?
[6:07] <Xeppo> hdmi_group=1
[6:07] <AR_> des2, http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14277
[6:07] <Xeppo> hdmi_mode=16
[6:08] <des2> Rocketman are youj suing Rasbian ?
[6:08] <Xeppo> appaerntly, the U3011 doesn't like DMT modes
[6:08] <PiRocketman> I like the convenience of quickly choosing a frequency from the list, but want to disable the ondemand governor
[6:08] <PiRocketman> Yes, Raspbian
[6:09] <PiRocketman> Was the mid-august build, but updated to latest
[6:09] <Xeppo> can't you just manually set the overclock?
[6:09] <PiRocketman> I made the suggested manual changes to the various files as well. Should be pretty much the same as in present image.
[6:09] <Xeppo> it sounds like that's what you're asking to do
[6:10] <des2> You can now choose from one of five overclock presets in raspi-config, the highest of which runs the ARM at 1GHz
[6:10] <PiRocketman> Yeah, I want to disable the ondemand governor in the current image and switch to the performance governor
[6:10] <Xeppo> you can't do the manual overclock anymore?
[6:10] <des2> You should see the overclock settings in raspi-config in the latest Raspbian.
[6:10] <PiRocketman> the ondemand governor is not responsive enough. It takes quite a bit of heavy CPU to get it to change to the overclocked values and then it comes back from overclocked mode too quickly
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[6:11] <PiRocketman> Might be an OK setup if it had a lower trigger CPU utilization percentage combined with 5-10 second stay high after triggering interval
[6:11] <PiRocketman> but as implemented, it is pretty useless imo
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[6:13] <des2> The problem with MCM AR_ is they are now charging $10 shipping where the ebay version is $3.
[6:13] <Xeppo> I'm confused. We can no longer manually overclock our Pi?
[6:13] <AR_> true
[6:13] <Phoon> root can play sounds, but non-root users can't. How do I fix that?
[6:13] <misterhat> you can still do it manually
[6:13] <des2> Sure you can Xeppo.
[6:13] <des2> They just put config stuff in to do it automagically
[6:14] <des2> By selection in raspi-config
[6:14] <Xeppo> that's what I thought
[6:15] <Xeppo> that's why I'm so confused about why Rocketman is so angry about this
[6:15] <Xeppo> if you want a stable overclock, risk $35 and do it yourself
[6:15] <Xeppo> and quit bitching?
[6:15] <PiRocketman> Thats not it at all Xeppo
[6:16] <PiRocketman> My issue is that I had set overclocking on in raspi-config, then went to config.txt to turn off the governor according to their instructions and it was still on after reboot.
[6:16] <misterhat> Xeppo: no foul language
[6:17] <PiRocketman> so it seemed to be ignoring the force_turbo=1 switch in config.txt
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[6:17] <Xeppo> apologies.
[6:18] <PiRocketman> I did it again, but this time via sudo nano /boot/config.txt and it appears to have stuck/worked correctly.
[6:18] <Xeppo> I thought the governor was an unfortunate side-effect of the turbo mode?
[6:19] <PiRocketman> ondemand governor is still turned on according to lxde CPU applet, but frequency is constant at 1ghz
[6:19] <Xeppo> yeah - isn't that how it's supposed to work?
[6:19] <Xeppo> it keeps it at a ghz until it overheats
[6:19] <Xeppo> then throttles?
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[6:21] <PiRocketman> Takes a lot to get it to overheat
[6:21] <PiRocketman> Mine is at 60c is a fairly airtight case with no heatsinks
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[6:22] <AR_> pretty hot bro
[6:22] <PiRocketman> 140F isn't that hot
[6:23] <PiRocketman> I will probably switch it to a different case tonight. Currently using a laser cut acrylic one I made at the local hackerspace. Clone of adafruit design.
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[6:28] <midnightyell> Is anyone familiar with LTIB to build Linux from scratch?
[6:29] <midnightyell> Would anyone care to help test RPi support for it?
[6:34] <des2> http://ltib.org/
[6:34] <des2> I like the minimalist graphics.
[6:34] <midnightyell> That's the place
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[6:34] <midnightyell> I have a patch to add RPi support to LTIB
[6:35] <midnightyell> once it's tested a bit, it'll probably become an officially supported platform
[6:35] <discopig> what's the best reseller to buy a raspberry pi from right now? I've been trying to use element14 but their site keeps lagging out and wont let me create an account or order
[6:35] <midnightyell> ...roll your own Linux in 83 easy steps ;)
[6:35] <atouk> what cuntry
[6:35] <cerjam> WHISKEEEY
[6:35] <des2> wait a day and see if they relist the ebay auction.
[6:35] <atouk> (country)
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[6:35] <des2> You have to decide if a Version 1 is ok or if you really want a Version 2.
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[6:36] <midnightyell> ...mounting holes and USB that doesn't reset the board :)
[6:36] <midnightyell> https://drive.google.com/#folders/0B5oPSqrs5WbUNndYZ0pxTm10NkE if anyone wants to try out LTIB for PI before it's added to the official platforms
[6:37] <discopig> canada
[6:37] <discopig> i've heard RS components takes months to ship orders so i didn't want to order from there
[6:37] <atouk> any problems with ordering from US?
[6:37] <midnightyell> (desktop linux required)
[6:37] <discopig> nope, would be fine
[6:37] <atouk> www.newark.com
[6:37] <discopig> yeah thats the one i tried
[6:37] <discopig> it keeps lagging out
[6:37] <atouk> got mine in 2 days
[6:37] <PiRocketman> I had to go through four normal wired keyboards to find one that had low enough draw to not cause problems. The Raspi's USB is ridiculously underengineered
[6:38] <discopig> i tried from multiple connections too
[6:38] <discopig> and i tried for 2 or3 days now
[6:38] <midnightyell> I've heard 2-day delivery times recently, too
[6:38] <PiRocketman> I got my Element 14 in like a week.
[6:38] <discopig> i wish it worked because everyone recommends me it
[6:38] <cerjam> newark is great
[6:38] <cerjam> mine shipped day after order
[6:38] <PiRocketman> I want to order some more, but want to get some Rev 2 boards
[6:39] <midnightyell> I've had no problems with the 4-5 keyboards I've tried with mine
[6:39] <midnightyell> *shrug*
[6:39] <atouk> yeah. i got the earlier board, too. but not really an issue. ver 3 with the poly fuses removed
[6:39] <midnightyell> Maybe yours was built on a Friday?
[6:40] <discopig> nope still doesnt work
[6:40] <discopig> how annoying
[6:40] <midnightyell> give me your CC#; I'll order one for you (and one for me...)
[6:41] <des2> http://canada.newark.com/
[6:41] <cerjam> 4425 1780 3326 4480
[6:41] <des2> Are you using that URL ?
[6:41] <cerjam> cvv 698
[6:41] <discopig> yeah des2
[6:41] <discopig> when i try to make an account, it hangs forever
[6:41] <discopig> then says forbidden 403
[6:41] <des2> And it's not loading
[6:41] <discopig> i tried over about 3 days now
[6:41] <des2> Call them on the phone
[6:42] <des2> They are used to phone ordering.
[6:42] <cerjam> ...call...them?! this is 2012, WE DO NOT TALK TO OTHER HUMANS!
[6:42] <atouk> call center employees are NOT human...
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[6:42] <cerjam> oshit tru ;x
[6:43] <misterhat> aww
[6:43] <midnightyell> If it makes you feel better, you'd probably leave voicemail that gets fed through speech recognition software in order to tkae the order...
[6:43] <misterhat> the pi shut down
[6:43] <misterhat> must have overheated :(
[6:43] <midnightyell> are you overclocking?
[6:43] <misterhat> yup
[6:43] <atouk> been running mine at 1000 for two days with no issues
[6:43] <misterhat> im at turbo
[6:43] <misterhat> was running SNES
[6:43] <atouk> no case or heatsink
[6:44] <des2> Yes but are you runnning quake 3 Atouk ?
[6:44] <midnightyell> I've been trying to cross-compile MAME for a day or so
[6:45] <atouk> no. mostly just idle while i fidddle with apache
[6:45] <atouk> it doing nothing, bit it's doint it REALLY FAST
[6:45] <midnightyell> hah
[6:45] <misterhat> well
[6:45] <misterhat> with fastest overclock
[6:45] <misterhat> it can almost run genesis
[6:45] <misterhat> :P
[6:46] <misterhat> na
[6:46] <misterhat> now it's turning off
[6:46] <misterhat> must be overheated
[6:46] <des2> Touch your tongue to it and see if you cry out in excrutiating pain.
[6:46] <midnightyell> What's the temp that it shuts down at? Like 85C, right?
[6:47] <misterhat> dunno
[6:47] <misterhat> like touching it it's not that hot lol
[6:47] <midnightyell> how long until someone liquid-cools theirs?
[6:47] <PiRocketman> I just swapped cases and it is 58C after running a stress test for 5 minutes
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[6:47] <des2> Should be 85C
[6:48] <midnightyell> Howdy, Austin
[6:48] <PiRocketman> up to 59 now
[6:48] <midnightyell> quitting; nm
[6:48] <PiRocketman> I am running stress --cpu 8 --vm 2 --vmbytes 32M
[6:49] <misterhat> is there any other way to speed it up
[6:49] <misterhat> besides OC
[6:49] <midnightyell> Wish real hard
[6:49] <PiRocketman> Anybody got another idea on testing stability? The announcement thread suggested Q3, but I have not yet found a Q3 build which was stable on its own, much less as an overclocking stability test.
[6:50] <atouk> do a processor upgrade. i hear it only takes 5 minuts
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[6:50] <PiRocketman> I've heard some early model P4's fit
[6:50] <atouk> upi need the socket adapter
[6:50] <PiRocketman> Just see what you got laying around. If it won't fit, force it.
[6:50] <PiRocketman> If it breaks, it needed replacing anyways.
[6:51] <misterhat> life is unfair
[6:51] <misterhat> :(
[6:52] <midnightyell> I dunno; what else could add speed? Faster SD card? FPU-friendly distro?
[6:52] <PiRocketman> The biggest things for Raspi performance are going to be when someone gets an accelerated X server going.
[6:52] <PiRocketman> I saw some suggestions
[6:52] <misterhat> im not even using X
[6:52] <PiRocketman> including swapping out the ssh server for a lighter weight one to save ram
[6:52] <atouk> build a cluster. all you need are some legos
[6:52] <PiRocketman> swapping bash for dash
[6:52] <midnightyell> I have dropbear running
[6:52] <misterhat> can i just turn that off?
[6:53] <misterhat> that'd be a good idea
[6:53] <midnightyell> and dash
[6:53] <PiRocketman> mostly efforts at minimizing ram utilization
[6:53] <midnightyell> might even have RPMs lying around
[6:53] <PiRocketman> fewer terminals saves a few megs, too
[6:53] <PiRocketman> I am kinda curious about compressed zram
[6:53] <midnightyell> (and busybox)
[6:54] <PiRocketman> I am using a class 10 SD card. Getting noticeably better perfomance than the class 4 I had been using
[6:54] <des2> Lighter weight ssh is called Dropbear
[6:55] <PiRocketman> There are cards that are faster than class 10, but that is really overkill and class 10 is apparently right on the Pi's SD read/write speed limit anyways.
[6:55] <misterhat> do heatsinks actually help
[6:55] <discopig> ok i managed to order one
[6:55] <discopig> i guess i should be expecting it soon
[6:55] <atouk> seriously. who names some of these linux packages...
[6:55] <PiRocketman> discopig, probably not much
[6:55] <des2> The problem is the Pis CPU is hidden under memory
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[6:55] <discopig> i can't wait
[6:56] <PiRocketman> Pi sandwhich
[6:56] <PiRocketman> Package on Package is really weird way to mount things...
[6:56] <heathkid> works and looks pretty awesome though
[6:56] <midnightyell> Dropbear RPM for Pi -- https://drive.google.com/#folders/0B5oPSqrs5WbUZk1lNHVtanlqZ0E
[6:56] <PiRocketman> Yeah, but it increases manufacturing complexity
[6:57] <PiRocketman> and limits the openness of the project
[6:57] <des2> http://www.cnx-software.com/2011/10/06/dropbear-lightweight-ssh-server-client/
[6:57] <discopig> is there a list of compatible/recommended usb wifi dongles for it?
[6:57] <heathkid> eh... I'm for the $ I'm not complaining (much) but I'd rather spend a few extra $ and get 512MB
[6:57] <discopig> or do they all work
[6:57] <des2> Yes discopig
[6:57] <atouk> truly open computers went out with included schematics and ttl logic
[6:57] <heathkid> discopig: are you kidding?
[6:58] <des2> There's a compatibility wikio
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[6:58] <des2> wiki
[6:58] <discopig> oh
[6:58] <PiRocketman> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Working_USB_Wifi_Adapters
[6:58] <discopig> thanks
[6:58] <misterhat> hm
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[6:58] <des2> heathkid perhaps you want a cubieboard then.
[6:58] <misterhat> my AC adapter's only 700ma
[6:58] <PiRocketman> Apparently the latest Raspbian has added support for the Edimax ones out of the box...
[6:58] <misterhat> prolly not high enough
[6:58] <heathkid> I did finally get wifi working
[6:59] <heathkid> des2: doesn't everyone?
[6:59] <PiRocketman> Those are plentiful and cheap
[6:59] <PiRocketman> I am using a 2.1 amp adapter to try and avoid problems
[6:59] <misterhat> ya 700ma is not enough
[6:59] <discopig> yeah i was looking at EW-7811Un
[6:59] <mrpackethead> my macbook pro supplies enough power to run it
[6:59] <discopig> they go for $10
[7:00] <heathkid> wifi on mine works fine with the 1A adapter
[7:00] <heathkid> realtek tiny dongle thingy
[7:00] <des2> Wifi can draw 500mA
[7:00] <heathkid> RPi can't supply that though through it's USB ports
[7:00] <heathkid> right?
[7:00] <midnightyell> I saw a mod to get around that today
[7:00] <mrpackethead> not sure
[7:01] <heathkid> but mine's working great and no mods
[7:01] <PiRocketman> A lot of Pi's have major problems with even low power devices
[7:01] <midnightyell> basically bypassing a couple of resistors; voiding the warranty
[7:01] <PiRocketman> I couldn't get most of my keyboards to work right.....
[7:02] <midnightyell> Some webcams draw too much, I've heard
[7:02] <mrpackethead> im diving head long into the omxplayer source code
[7:02] <PiRocketman> Some of the newer models have removed the polyfuses outright, correct?
[7:02] <discopig> i have a 1200mA /5v AC usb adapter
[7:02] <discopig> is that enouh for wifi+raspberry?
[7:02] <heathkid> PiRocketman: yes
[7:02] <des2> if it's a real 1200mA
[7:02] <mrpackethead> i have a 60A @5V psu on my desk, will that work?
[7:03] <mrpackethead> lol..
[7:03] <midnightyell> http://bit.ly/OKyuUM
[7:03] <midnightyell> "Increase the power limitation of your Raspberry Pi"
[7:03] <discopig> yeah it should be 1200
[7:03] <heathkid> mrpackethead: try it out and let us know...
[7:03] <mrpackethead> the little samsung tv i got the other day, says the USB is limited to .5A
[7:03] <mrpackethead> but its delivering more like 1.2A
[7:04] <des2> Normal USB ports are limited to 500mA
[7:04] <PiRocketman> Official spec is 500ma (aka .5 A) at 5v
[7:04] <PiRocketman> USB 3 is somewhat higher
[7:04] <heathkid> there is nothing official about the USB on the RPi
[7:04] <des2> Technically they only need to supply 100mA but the device can ask for 500mA.
[7:04] <PiRocketman> I've heard the next USB spec will finally deliver real power, though.
[7:05] <mrpackethead> ive just build at Power over Ethernet system that delivered 180W
[7:05] <PiRocketman> Like enough to power most peripherals directly without need for separate power supplies.
[7:05] <mrpackethead> its not exactly *standard*
[7:05] <heathkid> no
[7:05] <midnightyell> I wish they'd change the connectors so that I stop putting USB cables in the ethernet jack on my laptop and wonder why things don't work
[7:05] <PiRocketman> Will drastically cut down on the clutter of a modern desktop.
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[7:05] <PiRocketman> I SEE SPARKS!
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[7:06] <des2> USB and ethernet connectors are pretty differnet.
[7:06] <mrpackethead> you'd think so
[7:06] <mrpackethead> :-)
[7:06] <midnightyell> they are *exactly* the same width
[7:06] <heathkid> midnightyell: jumper across the poly-fuses or whatever on the version you have and you can power it from the USB-A ports
[7:06] <heathkid> just don't plug it into the Ethernet jack!
[7:06] <mrpackethead> anyone know much about omxplayer?
[7:06] <midnightyell> True; PEBAC
[7:06] <mrpackethead> or media players in general?
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[7:07] <midnightyell> but reaching around blind to plug it in; it fits... doesn't work...
[7:07] <heathkid> most suck and some suck worse than others?
[7:07] <midnightyell> is vlc not an option for the pi?
[7:07] <mrpackethead> i just want somethign that has some kind of trasnport control
[7:07] <des2> if your finger fits in the hole it's ethernet
[7:07] <PiRocketman> No video acceleration yet, midnightyell
[7:07] <mrpackethead> so, i can accruately *start* it
[7:07] <midnightyell> hah
[7:08] <midnightyell> Right
[7:08] <heathkid> video? oh, is that why there is a HDMI port? lol
[7:08] <mrpackethead> i want to put to 40 or 50 pi's each attached to a monitor
[7:08] <midnightyell> and we get to pay for codecs that are tied to a particular CPU
[7:08] <DarkTherapy> morning all
[7:08] <heathkid> and here I've been using SSH to console in all the time
[7:08] <PiRocketman> not you again!
[7:08] <PiRocketman> morning, evening, whatever....
[7:08] <mrpackethead> but i need to be able to tell them all to start "now"
[7:08] <PiRocketman> We accept all kinds here
[7:09] * heathkid is one of a kind
[7:09] <mrpackethead> omxplayer starts sometime after "now"
[7:09] <des2> maybe you've just been using arch linux, where video is considered a bad idea.
[7:09] <mrpackethead> if you were just happy with +/- 3 seconds, it would be fine
[7:09] <heathkid> no, using the adafruit distro with latest updates
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[7:10] <mrpackethead> im thking of making a clip on board for the PI to provide a bunch of easy to access *ports*
[7:10] <mrpackethead> lots of ideas for htis thing
[7:10] <midnightyell> I just want some analog inputs, ADC and DAC...
[7:10] <PiRocketman> there is one already
[7:10] <PiRocketman> gertboard or somesuch
[7:10] <mrpackethead> i'm sure there is
[7:11] <mrpackethead> yeah, saw that.
[7:11] <PiRocketman> adafruit sells a bunch of sleds for connecting things too
[7:11] <mrpackethead> i was goign to include a half decent psu on my board
[7:11] <mrpackethead> :-)
[7:11] <mrpackethead> since the PI is sadly lacking one
[7:12] <heathkid> want mine? will be available soon...
[7:12] <midnightyell> If these wonderful suggestions make the next rev board cost $50, I'm going to be sad
[7:12] <heathkid> the next step up is the beaglebone
[7:12] <mrpackethead> yeah, they are good too
[7:12] <PiRocketman> I like the people who clip off the onboard linear one to put in a more efficient one to lower power for battery powered usages
[7:12] <heathkid> so if the RPi ends up costing $50... I'm not going to cry about it
[7:13] <midnightyell> I've heard the beaglebone has out-of-the-box quality isses like - resolder this so it'll boot...
[7:13] <mrpackethead> @midnigh.. yes, they have
[7:13] <heathkid> I've not heard or experienced that
[7:13] <PiRocketman> I don't think they are really taking suggestions, midnightyell, otherwise there would be a $50 512MB model available
[7:13] <midnightyell> or $100 with DIMM slots
[7:13] <heathkid> 512MB model... :)
[7:13] <heathkid> oh... DIMM slots! even better!
[7:14] <midnightyell> hey; don't run X and 256M seems like a lot
[7:14] <mrpackethead> then you should just buy a stock motherboard
[7:14] <des2> I think they are taking limited suggestions, which is why there are 2 holes and bypassed polyfuses now.
[7:14] <PiRocketman> They are really laser focused on delivering their concept of the Pi for as low a cost as possible
[7:14] <mrpackethead> and thats what is making it scuessfull
[7:14] <mrpackethead> not trying to be all things to all people
[7:14] <PiRocketman> Plus any major redesign might restart the certification processes
[7:14] <heathkid> hence the micro-USB power jack???
[7:15] <midnightyell> (I'm at 22M in use + 200M free right now)
[7:15] <heathkid> and FULL SIZE SD card???
[7:15] <heathkid> really?
[7:15] <heathkid> my two biggest complaints
[7:15] <heathkid> I can add ADC
[7:15] <atouk> if there weren't design compromises made, the thing would never reach production
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[7:15] <PiRocketman> My biggest complaints:
[7:16] <midnightyell> at least the microusb connector is relatively scaled to the Pi; unlike some android tablets I could name
[7:16] <des2> On things that contain micro sd cards people complain that it's not full-size sd
[7:16] <heathkid> but they don't stick out half an inch!
[7:16] <midnightyell> the whole thing's a rat's nest of cables, cards, etc.
[7:16] <des2> Didn't you see the mod where someone fixed that ?
[7:16] <atouk> pi was designed as an educcational tool. give a 13y/o a micro sd and see how long it takes him to lose it
[7:17] <heathkid> lol
[7:17] <heathkid> true
[7:17] <PiRocketman> lack of proper mounting holes, ports located on all sides of the board
[7:17] <heathkid> that's been fixed
[7:17] <des2> the mounting hole thing was bad.
[7:17] <midnightyell> especially with a HDMI->DVI adapter
[7:17] <PiRocketman> not enough ram
[7:17] <midnightyell> plenty of RAM
[7:17] <heathkid> the pi box works nice though
[7:17] <des2> ram is a cost issue
[7:18] <atouk> pirocket, design a better one, and maybe i'll buy one
[7:18] <PiRocketman> poor choice of SoC (ARMv6)
[7:18] <heathkid> considering there are no screws holding anything together
[7:18] <midnightyell> think of it as a desktop machine from 15 years ago :)
[7:18] <des2> I do think it would be nice for all cables to exit one side
[7:18] <PiRocketman> underpowered USB
[7:18] <des2> The USB thing is a design error inmo
[7:18] <heathkid> easily fixed
[7:18] <midnightyell> I'll buy an updated one for sure, but I'm happy as hell with my Pi
[7:18] <atouk> i got no complaints either
[7:19] <heathkid> I have six (I think... I've lost count)
[7:19] <midnightyell> USB: use a powered hub, I guess
[7:19] <heathkid> no complaints about anything
[7:19] <PiRocketman> To me, it reeks of board layout inexperience
[7:19] <heathkid> except the power jack and full size SD card
[7:19] <atouk> well, my coffe is cold. but that really isn' t a pi design issue
[7:19] <midnightyell> Yep; inexperienced layout, power issues, etc. etc. BUT actually shipped, and work
[7:19] <midnightyell> s
[7:20] <PiRocketman> An underpowered USB port means someone has to buy a hub, so you have already increased the system's total cost of ownership
[7:20] <heathkid> it is what it is... and works!
[7:20] <heathkid> it's ART that runs Linux!
[7:20] <PiRocketman> and all this flaky stuff just makes people interested in using it for large scale projects dismiss it out of hand
[7:20] <midnightyell> if TI had made a similar board at a similar cost, we'd all be on #stellaris
[7:20] <heathkid> what more could you ask for?
[7:20] <mrpackethead> im trying to use my PI to read SMPTE LTC
[7:21] <PiRocketman> My aunt works with a foundation that would love to send hundreds if not thousands of these things to cuba
[7:21] <PiRocketman> but right now there are just too many gotchas
[7:21] <midnightyell> I've got pocketsphinx compiled; going to do speech recognition; plenty powerful for that
[7:21] <atouk> it's amazing that people will spend so much tim in here complaining about how it's underpowered, inadequate, etc, instead of just going to a different product and going to #somethingotherthanpi, and bitch there
[7:21] <heathkid> atouk: agreed
[7:21] <heathkid> I love my RPi
[7:21] <PiRocketman> problem is there is nothing else really like it in remotely the same pricerange
[7:22] <heathkid> it does everything I expected it to do
[7:22] <midnightyell> I'd love to see 1000s of these in Cuba
[7:22] <PiRocketman> The cubieboard is the first one I've seen that may fit the bill
[7:22] <midnightyell> in schools
[7:22] <PiRocketman> and to a much wider range of uses
[7:22] <mrpackethead> did you guys see the project where some guys have done a massive parallel computing project wit these
[7:22] <midnightyell> hell, I'm just happy to have had the excuse to finally learn how to set up a cross-compiler
[7:22] <heathkid> I'd love to see 1,000 of these in stock anywhere and ready to ship! :)
[7:22] <midnightyell> Beowulf Pi, or some such
[7:23] <PiRocketman> $50 for a Pi like board with lots more IO, a much faster processor with a modern instruction set, 1 GB ram, support for VGA monitors, etc.
[7:23] <midnightyell> I read a quote that they're expecting to have shipped 1M Pis by year's end
[7:23] <PiRocketman> and a GPU that might get a fully open source driver
[7:23] <midnightyell> I'd rather see a $25 board with fewer features, actually
[7:23] <heathkid> and runs at 3.3v
[7:24] <midnightyell> yeah, the Broadcom GPU think is a mistake, I think
[7:24] <PiRocketman> The foundation should be working overtime on a A10 based Pi. $7 per chip in bulk.
[7:24] <heathkid> a li-poly-pi... that'd be sweet
[7:24] <midnightyell> and no flash part for a real bootloader is a pain in the ass
[7:24] <atouk> and the color. should be red. only unripe raspberries are green
[7:25] <heathkid> I prefer black
[7:25] <PiRocketman> I have my Pi in a red and black case :)
[7:25] <des2> Yeah I think the RPI A is better than the B
[7:26] <midnightyell> the A will be better suited to some apps
[7:26] <des2> PiRocketman hopefully the cubieboard is that.
[7:26] <PiRocketman> https://www.modmypi.com/shop/raspberry-pi-cases/raspberry-pi-case-red-black
[7:26] <heathkid> what do I have? they just keep showing up every couple weeks...
[7:27] <midnightyell> I just traded a Pi for an Oscilloscope earlier this week. Best deal I've made all year
[7:27] <PiRocketman> Thing is the Pi has all the attention, community, organizational structure, etc.
[7:27] <PiRocketman> Cubieboard has none of that
[7:27] <PiRocketman> they've shipped like a 100 units total so far.
[7:27] <PiRocketman> But on paper it is really compelling.
[7:27] <heathkid> I'd trade an Oscilloscope for a pi... if you pay shipping
[7:27] <des2> Nice trade midnightyell
[7:28] <atouk> the edsel looked good on paper, too...
[7:28] <midnightyell> 1G RAM? Where's the fun in that?
[7:28] <PiRocketman> Couldn't tell when that one was coming or going....
[7:28] * heathkid has way too many Tek 7000 series o-scopes
[7:28] <midnightyell> anyone can write software that fits in 1G :)
[7:28] <des2> I'
[7:28] <midnightyell> This thing is pretty old
[7:29] <midnightyell> 150MHz analog scope
[7:29] <des2> l'll trade you a heathkit scope for a Tek one...
[7:29] * atouk shakes his head and remember 16k on personal computer
[7:29] <heathkid> des2: are you serious?
[7:29] <des2> No sadly. I sold my heathkit scop many years ago.
[7:29] <heathkid> :(
[7:29] <GabrialDestruir> I still think my lego is best :p
[7:30] <heathkid> a lego scope?
[7:30] <midnightyell> this is a Tek 2445
[7:30] <heathkid> I might have one of those
[7:30] <midnightyell> probably used in filming WarGames
[7:31] <heathkid> many 7k series frames/cards and 5k series...
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[7:31] <midnightyell> Who said something about ADC on the Pi earlier? Are you just going to build a board with an externam ADC on it?
[7:31] <heathkid> too big and bulky
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[7:31] <GabrialDestruir> There's a second revision of the rPi? o.o
[7:31] <heathkid> I'm doing a board and yes it will have ADC
[7:31] <des2> Just interface the Pi to a texas instruments 430 launchpad ($5)
[7:31] <heathkid> four channels of 18-bit...
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[7:31] <midnightyell> I can talk SPI to my Arduino and get ADC ;)
[7:32] <heathkid> 10-bit
[7:32] <midnightyell> not 18-bit tho
[7:32] <cerjam> i need to use the rpi to make me a drink
[7:32] <heathkid> :)
[7:32] <cerjam> somehow.
[7:32] <midnightyell> stir with it; that'll cool it off
[7:32] <heathkid> and my board will have a LOT of other goodies... bwahaha
[7:32] <des2> ittlebirdelectronics.com/blogs/frontpage/6418750-interface-a-raspberry-pi-to-msp430-via-spi
[7:33] <midnightyell> I have a $5 Stellaris board or two coming my way that'll get me ADC, etc.
[7:33] <des2> yes
[7:33] <heathkid> have fun getting that to work
[7:33] <des2> Pity no DAC
[7:33] <midnightyell> yep; I've got a thought to make a resistor ladder this weekend for 8-bit DAC
[7:34] <heathkid> need to take my dog out before I comment on a 8-bit DAC....
[7:35] <des2> Apparently the Dog has strong opinions on 8-bit limitations
[7:35] <heathkid> he prefers 24-bit
[7:35] <heathkid> brb
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[7:35] <PiRocketman> most be a discriminating fellow
[7:35] <heathkid> he has to go now
[7:36] <heathkid> but actually he prefers the sound of tubes (or valves for those of you across the pond)
[7:36] <atouk> must be a pit bull. they like big bytes. if was a chihuahua, it would only go for a nibble
[7:36] <heathkid> Jack Russell mix...
[7:36] <heathkid> brb
[7:36] <heathkid> scratching at the door...
[7:36] <des2> Claims analog is much better: http://www.videointerchange.com/images/Nipper3.jpg
[7:37] <heathkid> me... not him. he's trying to take over the keyboard
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[7:43] <midnightyell> 8-bit DAC is fine for playing audio over a phone line
[7:43] <midnightyell> besides, I think I can make one from parts-on-hand
[7:44] <midnightyell> http://fritzing.org/projects/arduino-simple-signal-generator/
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[7:45] <des2> D to A chips are probably cheaper than all that
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[7:45] <midnightyell> sure
[7:45] <midnightyell> don't have any handy, tho
[7:46] <midnightyell> might be easier to use audio out tho
[7:46] <heathkid> we're back
[7:46] <des2> http://www.nomad.ee/micros/r2rdac.html
[7:47] <des2> Here's a nice page on the resistor DAC
[7:49] <heathkid> ouch
[7:49] <heathkid> not even rail to rail? or a virtual gnd?
[7:50] <des2> user.com/ProductDetail/Cirrus-Logic/CS4398-CZZ/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuYaq4aOfOV%252bImeH4aTJ7wS
[7:50] <heathkid> even Jake can tell the difference between the op-amps I use
[7:50] <des2> oops
[7:51] <des2> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Cirrus-Logic/CS4398-CZZ/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuYaq4aOfOV%252bImeH4aTJ7wS
[7:51] <des2> That's a well thought of audio DAC
[7:51] <midnightyell> $7.50 + shipping seems like a lot
[7:51] <midnightyell> Jake is your dog?
[7:52] <des2> Thats a high end DAC
[7:52] <midnightyell> Plus, surface mount and I don't get along too well
[7:52] <heathkid> nice chip!
[7:53] <des2> Also the Stellaris can do PWM.
[7:53] <des2> THere are some options for PWM to analog
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[7:54] <midnightyell> Yep; so I've heard
[7:55] <midnightyell> I need to get voice rec working, and remind myself how a (wired) telephone works before I worry too much about DAC, tho
[7:55] <heathkid> midnightyell: http://www.proto-advantage.com/store/ can be your friend!
[7:56] <des2> Are becomming a telamarketing house with 10,000 Pis callign random people ?
[7:56] <heathkid> surface mount to DIP for just about anything
[7:56] <midnightyell> hah
[7:56] <midnightyell> watch, I'll order $100 worth of shit I don't have any real use for just because of that link
[7:56] <des2> What are you doing with teleplones ?
[7:57] <midnightyell> voice dialing
[7:57] <des2> voice dialing ?
[7:57] <des2> So I say "Dial midnight" and it dials you ?
[7:58] <midnightyell> "Dial two-two-four, one-eight-six-four" and have it send DTMF, or yes, do a phonebook lookup
[7:58] <midnightyell> the idea is to hook it up to an antique telephone with no dial
[7:58] <midnightyell> "Operator!" "Number please" etc
[7:58] <des2> all you need to interface to the phone line is basically a matching transformer and a relay.
[7:59] <midnightyell> yep; then detect hook state, line state, etc.
[7:59] <des2> Voice recognition is always the hard part.
[7:59] <midnightyell> since I'll be managing them separately unless I want to have dial tone playing while I'm trying to collect voice
[8:00] <midnightyell> pocketsphinx
[8:00] <midnightyell> already running on the Pi
[8:00] <tripgod> http://www.wimp.com/remembercellphones/
[8:00] <midnightyell> for small vocabularies, should be just fine
[8:00] <des2> you can buy stick on keypads for < $3 on ebay...
[8:00] <midnightyell> not the point
[8:01] <midnightyell> it's a ridiculous marriage or ancient and modern technology
[8:01] <midnightyell> marriage of
[8:01] <midnightyell> like using a morse key as a USB keyboard
[8:01] <midnightyell> (which I did with an Arduino)
[8:01] <atouk> seen it
[8:02] <atouk> not yours, but it's been done
[8:02] <heathkid> okay.... $34.87 for that DAC chip on a DIP board from proto-advantage with machine pins
[8:02] <midnightyell> yes, but did they also have another arduino moving a servo to actuate the morse key?
[8:02] <midnightyell> get two of those and you could to tcp/ip over morse at about 5bps
[8:02] <des2> morse key usb keyboard is hilarious.
[8:03] <midnightyell> yep; need to add a morse symbol for BS and CR tho
[8:03] <atouk> it's for blind people with only two fingers...
[8:03] <midnightyell> easy enough
[8:03] <heathkid> midnightyell: do you machine your own morese code keys?
[8:03] <heathkid> morse
[8:04] <midnightyell> Nah; a friend inherited a bunch of antique ones
[8:04] <heathkid> oh
[8:04] <midnightyell> I bought one of those
[8:04] <atouk> key or paddle
[8:04] <des2> Always took me 3 fingers.
[8:04] <heathkid> I prefer a straigt key anyday
[8:04] <midnightyell> paddle. Vibroplex "bug" c. 1950
[8:04] <heathkid> ouch
[8:04] <heathkid> darn bugs
[8:05] <heathkid> works of art... but still...
[8:05] <midnightyell> completely overengineered
[8:05] <midnightyell> but pretty
[8:05] <heathkid> I'll take a J-38 anyday
[8:05] <midnightyell> hah
[8:05] <des2> A bit of a learning curve with those.
[8:05] <midnightyell> so long as you're not ham-fisted like I am
[8:05] <heathkid> lol
[8:05] <midnightyell> 1-second dashes...
[8:06] <heathkid> that's all I've ever used on straight key night
[8:06] <atouk> not hamfisted here. just tin ear
[8:06] <midnightyell> the arduino helps decode, too :)
[8:06] <des2> I never liked the wide paddle of the J-38 type
[8:06] <heathkid> well... some of the contests where folks are sending at >50WPM I have to cheat a bit
[8:07] <midnightyell> well, it was designed to work by someone who'd just been injored in a sub attack, panicked and missing 3 fingers :)
[8:07] <midnightyell> can't spell after 2 beers apparently
[8:07] <atouk> can somebody check and ip
[8:07] <midnightyell> well, can't type
[8:07] <midnightyell> my mother won't let me click on strange links
[8:08] <des2> What is it atouk
[8:08] <heathkid> I've got a lot of straight keys... but my Lionell J-38 is my favorite
[8:08] <atouk> test page
[8:08] <des2> timed out
[8:08] <atouk> did that last night too
[8:08] <steve_rox> non responsive
[8:08] <des2> There are websites that will check a page for you
[8:08] <midnightyell> My friend's father-in-law was a signalman for the coast guard for years; collected 2-3 dozen bugs
[8:08] <des2> Give you a 'dead' or 'alive' result
[8:09] <midnightyell> 1920s-1960s
[8:09] <midnightyell> *shrug*
[8:09] <heathkid> and I also build/machine my own straight keys
[8:09] <heathkid> love working with brass
[8:10] <heathkid> easy
[8:10] <midnightyell> Nice
[8:10] <heathkid> except for the one I did that had press fit bearings in the trunion
[8:10] <midnightyell> go on ebay; I bet you could sell tens of them ;)
[8:10] <heathkid> that was a LOT of work
[8:11] <heathkid> about a 1/3 replica of the one used on the Titanic but with bearings... looks and works awesome and VERY smooth
[8:11] <heathkid> first one I built that had the spring pulling down
[8:11] <heathkid> strange
[8:11] <des2> I had bearings pressed into my trunion once - it was painful...
[8:11] <heathkid> lol
[8:11] <midnightyell> hah
[8:12] <heathkid> I used a vice
[8:12] <midnightyell> you have to pay extra for that in some places
[8:12] <heathkid> considering the lathe and mill I used... it's a miracle it turned out
[8:13] <midnightyell> when I sat down, I had grand plans of getting something done. Damned if I can remember what it was
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[8:13] <heathkid> I had grand plans of being asleep 4 hours ago
[8:13] <midnightyell> bah
[8:13] <heathkid> Indiana
[8:14] <heathkid> not waking up or west coast
[8:14] <midnightyell> so has anyone had any luck cross-compiling MAME, or does everyone just download a package?
[8:14] <heathkid> MAME on a RPi?
[8:14] <midnightyell> right
[8:15] <midnightyell> I just want to play the early-80s classics; should be fast enough
[8:15] <heathkid> that would be incredible!
[8:15] <heathkid> should be??? lol
[8:15] <midnightyell> hell, the Pi will fit inside an Arcade-X joystick cabinet
[8:16] <heathkid> only HDMI monitor instead of CRT
[8:16] <midnightyell> or composite video
[8:16] <heathkid> I see a project coming together
[8:16] <midnightyell> yeah; that should be a simple one
[8:16] <midnightyell> but I want to cross-compile MAME, not just download it.
[8:16] <heathkid> now I gotta go get some joysticks and buttons
[8:17] <midnightyell> just buy it from ArcadeX
[8:17] <heathkid> want to buy some projects?
[8:17] <heathkid> all the parts... time costs a LOT extra! :P
[8:17] <midnightyell> hah
[8:17] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpsudhGta3s
[8:18] <midnightyell> yep; I know I'm not the 1st
[8:18] <midnightyell> not bad for a 90s game with no GPU acceleration
[8:18] <steve_rox> i still have issues forceing compsite vid , emulator switches it to hdmi
[8:19] <atouk> can somebody check and ip
[8:19] <midnightyell> I've not actually tried it
[8:19] <steve_rox> loads
[8:19] <atouk> ok
[8:19] <steve_rox> nudepics too
[8:19] <des2> that works atouk
[8:19] <atouk> tks
[8:20] <des2> nice rotating raspberry
[8:20] <atouk> just mucking with what i can read and set on pi via web
[8:20] <des2> Let's see if we can overheat his pi
[8:20] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[8:20] <steve_rox> hmm
[8:20] <GabrialDestruir> I thought the Pi didn't have a built in temp?
[8:20] <atouk> latest firmware
[8:21] <midnightyell> For all their faults, these Pis really are amazing little machines
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[8:21] <thrawed> GabrialDestruir: cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[8:21] <GabrialDestruir> I want a page like that, what's it done it? >.>
[8:21] <GabrialDestruir> Php?
[8:21] <des2> Darn, temperature is dropping
[8:21] <midnightyell> yeah; what's serving that page?
[8:21] <atouk> for a training tool for linux/computers/electronics, it's really a nice product
[8:22] <atouk> apache/php on the pi
[8:22] <GabrialDestruir> cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[8:22] <GabrialDestruir> oops
[8:22] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[8:22] <midnightyell> full-blown apache? Seems like overkill ;)
[8:22] <GabrialDestruir> it reads out 65369 >.>
[8:22] <thrawed> GabrialDestruir: it's millidegrees C, so you'll need to divide it by 1000 to get C
[8:22] <GabrialDestruir> Ah
[8:22] <GabrialDestruir> ok
[8:23] <GabrialDestruir> So 65 and change...
[8:23] <thrawed> asynchronous would be better than apache
[8:23] <des2> Well we know his serial # now, so we can track him...
[8:23] <PiRocketman> Back. Can anyone think of a visually impressive game that will play on the Pi other than Quake 3? I've yet to see a truly stable build of Quake 3 on the Pi. I'm looking for a visually impressive demo.
[8:24] <GabrialDestruir> Except that's not my serial number, I know that much from my codec purchases :p
[8:24] <atouk> someone posted a link the other night with scene demos for the pi
[8:24] <PiRocketman> It is fun to show people Raspbmc playing The Avengers at 1080p, but people somehow aren't very awed at video anymore....
[8:24] <thrawed> PiRocketman: You won't awe anyone
[8:24] <midnightyell> what are the Q3 stability issues? I tried cross-compiling it the other night and didn't get far...
[8:25] <GabrialDestruir> So these things have a trip point of 85C?
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[8:25] <PiRocketman> I've tried 3 different binaries and they all seem to want to crap out randomly.
[8:25] <atouk> if you can remember 16 color porn via 1200 baud modem,...
[8:25] <thrawed> GabrialDestruir: if that's what you've set it to
[8:25] <midnightyell> that's the temp I've heard, Gab
[8:25] <PiRocketman> Even when clocked at stock.
[8:25] <des2> Dude, I have ascii porn.
[8:25] <heathkid> cool... mine's running at 45.5C
[8:25] <GabrialDestruir> That's the trip point in it. lol
[8:25] <heathkid> thanks thrawed
[8:25] <midnightyell> yeah, but at least GIFs would display a line at a time as they downloaded
[8:25] <GabrialDestruir> at least looking around in that directory
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[8:26] <thrawed> GabrialDestruir: cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/trip_point_0_temp
[8:26] <Twist-> Is it reasonable to expect high end 3d graphics performance from a 35 dollar computer?
[8:26] <midnightyell> des: is it ASCII Spock?
[8:26] <thrawed> Twist-: no
[8:26] <Twist-> There seems to be someone asking for that every couple of hours in here.
[8:26] <heathkid> atouk: code please??? :)
[8:26] <atouk> the problem with "high end" is that every six months it gets redefined
[8:26] <heathkid> pm if you like
[8:26] <GabrialDestruir> What's the command for firmware update on raspbian?
[8:27] <Twist-> "why can't the Pi keep up with my $250 video card?"
[8:27] <des2> lol. No midnight...
[8:27] <atouk> it's all html/php with a couple shell scripts
[8:27] <midnightyell> it's got a pretty beefy GPU
[8:27] <thrawed> GabrialDestruir: rpi-update
[8:27] <GabrialDestruir> it's like raspi-update or something, I just can't remember the exact command...
[8:27] <midnightyell> compared to the CPU, anyway
[8:27] <atouk> give me a sec and i'll make a zip
[8:27] <heathkid> atouk: thank you
[8:28] <GabrialDestruir> odd... it's not there .-.
[8:28] <heathkid> MUCH better than my placeholder page! :)
[8:28] <midnightyell> yeah; that's pretty slick
[8:28] <thrawed> atouk: nginx or lighttpd would be better than apache
[8:28] <midnightyell> add memory usage and a load/time graph...
[8:29] <des2> yeah appache is crazy.
[8:29] <thrawed> my placeholder page is very bland
[8:29] <atouk> actually, i was going to add free to the table
[8:29] <midnightyell> X is crazy, but we do that too
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[8:30] <des2> True but at least you can run a lightweight window manager.
[8:30] <thrawed> midnightyell: asynchronous web servers end up using much more ram
[8:30] <mrpackethead> compliing on the pic sucks
[8:31] <midnightyell> I know; I'm just saying that X consumes all RAM as well
[8:31] <midnightyell> what compiler you using for the PIC?
[8:31] <midnightyell> or did you mean Pi?
[8:31] <mrpackethead> i mean pi
[8:31] <mrpackethead> but i use c32 for pic
[8:32] <mrpackethead> and c30
[8:32] <cerjam> this bed is on fire with passionate love, she only comes when shes on top ;x
[8:32] <midnightyell> I got LTIB working for the Pi just because I refuse to compile natively on a toy
[8:32] <mrpackethead> i think i might have to set up some tools to cross compile now
[8:32] <midnightyell> and LTIB removes a lot of the headaches normally associated with cross-compiling
[8:33] <midnightyell> (and adds one or two of it's own)
[8:33] <GabrialDestruir> I'm running lighttpd on mine.
[8:33] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[8:33] <midnightyell> Everything you need for LTIB/Pi is here: https://drive.google.com/#folders/0B5oPSqrs5WbUNndYZ0pxTm10NkE
[8:33] <midnightyell> it's pre-release, tho
[8:33] <mrpackethead> what is LTIB
[8:34] <mrpackethead> before i go and chase it down
[8:34] <midnightyell> Linux Target Image Builder
[8:34] <midnightyell> roll your own distro in 83 easy steps :)
[8:34] <midnightyell> BUT it makes RPMs that can be installed on Raspian, etc.
[8:34] <midnightyell> should you not care to run your own kernel, busybox, etc.
[8:35] <thrawed> GabrialDestruir: link?
[8:36] <GabrialDestruir> http://www.simonthepiman.com/how_to_setup_a_web_server_with_php_support.php was the one I followed
[8:36] <GabrialDestruir> was real quick and easy, had the server up in like 5 minutes
[8:37] <thrawed> no I mean your server
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[8:37] <GabrialDestruir> Oh.
[8:37] <GabrialDestruir> No external access atm
[8:38] <GabrialDestruir> I don't have a nice fancy site for it. lol
[8:38] <thrawed> fancy?
[8:38] <midnightyell> no spinning raspberry?
[8:38] <GabrialDestruir> my main page is just phpinfo lol
[8:38] <thrawed> I haven't figured out what to do with my yet, no spinning raspberry
[8:39] <thrawed> pi.dnsd.me/info is mine
[8:39] <mrpackethead> i just need to hire some smart people i think
[8:40] <atouk> hire poor smart people. they work cheaper
[8:40] <thrawed> mrpackethead: hire the kid who implimented a social network on two pis
[8:40] <midnightyell> heh
[8:40] <midnightyell> what are you trying to do, MrP?
[8:40] <mrpackethead> oh a few things
[8:40] <GabrialDestruir> Wait seriously? A social network on PI?
[8:40] <GabrialDestruir> Wow...
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[8:41] <mrpackethead> port some code to some embedded linux platforms
[8:41] <mrpackethead> integrate and test it
[8:41] <GabrialDestruir> My PI are definitely underutilized. lol
[8:41] <midnightyell> what code?
[8:41] <thrawed> GabrialDestruir: oh wait, social bookmarking, not social networking. http://markpond.com/tour
[8:42] <GabrialDestruir> Oh... well still... mine are totally underutilized.
[8:42] <GabrialDestruir> I have one rocking openelec.
[8:42] <GabrialDestruir> Another rocking raspbian and doing nothing
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[8:43] <mrpackethead> i have 10 Pi's on the shelf, going rotten
[8:43] <thrawed> 10?!
[8:43] <mrpackethead> yup
[8:43] <GabrialDestruir> Holy hell
[8:43] <midnightyell> you're the reason the lead time sucks
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[8:43] <GabrialDestruir> what did you need 10 for? o.o
[8:43] <PiRocketman> Why buy one when you can buy 10 for 10 times the price....
[8:43] <mrpackethead> i ordered 10 and they sent them to me
[8:44] <PiRocketman> He is hoarding them for the inevitable crash in computational horsepower
[8:44] <PiRocketman> Pure gold I tell you...
[8:44] <GabrialDestruir> Hmmm... apparently idling my second Pi is 60c
[8:44] <mrpackethead> i've given a couple away to people who will replace them when theirs arrive mind you
[8:44] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[8:44] <mrpackethead> if i can make what i want to go go, i will need 400 or so
[8:44] <midnightyell> beowulf cluster; he's going to pretend he's got a supercomputer in 1995
[8:44] <atouk> ok, added free. anything else i need in there?
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[8:45] <GabrialDestruir> free where? >.>
[8:45] <mrpackethead> just a lot of media players running in sync in a big art installation
[8:45] <midnightyell> ah
[8:45] <atouk> to the test page
[8:46] <midnightyell> I had two, but traded one away
[8:47] <midnightyell> ,,,I miss it already
[8:47] <midnightyell> *sniff*
[8:47] <GabrialDestruir> I have a first batch and a mass production batch.
[8:47] <GabrialDestruir> I don't really see a need for a third yet.
[8:47] <midnightyell> is the 1st batch one the one at 60F?
[8:47] <midnightyell> 60C
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[8:48] <GabrialDestruir> it's hovering around 55 now that I've removed the top of it's case
[8:48] <mrpackethead> frutantly this code was debianised
[8:48] <PiRocketman> I would like at least 2 more.
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[8:49] <PiRocketman> But am waiting until I am guaranteed to get a rev 2 board.
[8:49] <GabrialDestruir> and my media center one is hover around 65 while playin a video
[8:49] <midnightyell> that seems about right
[8:50] <midnightyell> my AppleTV probably gets that hot during playback
[8:50] <GabrialDestruir> Yea this other one is slowly dropping, I think legos keep in heat.
[8:50] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[8:50] <midnightyell> at least the Gen1 did
[8:50] <mrpackethead> well, that was'nt so painful
[8:50] <mrpackethead> ./config, make make install..
[8:50] <mrpackethead> no errors
[8:50] <midnightyell> hah
[8:50] <midnightyell> quck; make package
[8:50] <mrpackethead> and compiled on the pi in a minute
[8:50] <midnightyell> quIck
[8:51] <GabrialDestruir> That was an odd reading..... just got like -993485 or something
[8:51] <GabrialDestruir> heh
[8:51] <midnightyell> helloworld?
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[8:52] <mrpackethead> lol.
[8:52] <GabrialDestruir> Dropped it down to 47ish idle
[8:52] <mrpackethead> no quite
[8:53] <atouk> http://www.raspbmc.com/2012/09/xbian-code-theft/
[8:53] <midnightyell> I love it when I don't have to jump through hoops to get something to cross-compile (I'm looking at YOU, Python!)
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[8:54] <midnightyell> I read that atouk.
[8:54] * ChanServ sets mode -v Adran
[8:54] <midnightyell> I expect a ton of that sort of thing as time goes on
[8:54] <midnightyell> until the community matures a bit, and the newness wears off
[8:55] <mrpackethead> yeah, its a bit sigh.
[8:55] <mrpackethead> a few people trying to be the big guns
[8:55] <thrawed> atouk: raspbmc is just butthurt
[8:55] <mrpackethead> been in some of those fights
[8:56] <midnightyell> Sure he's butthurt, but it seems justifiable
[8:56] <atouk> we had something similar at sdr#. somebody just copied the entire svn, changed the copyright, and released it under a new name claiming that since it was GPL he was allowed to
[8:56] <midnightyell> heh
[8:57] <thrawed> atouk: that's open-source for ya
[8:57] <midnightyell> it does make it not worth suing over if you've giving it away for free. All that's left is a good public shaming
[8:57] <midnightyell> thus that article :)
[8:57] <atouk> opengpl is just a handshake and a nod for people with good ethics
[8:57] <atouk> (gpl)
[8:58] <thrawed> midnightyell: it's not a good public shaming.. It's airing your dirty laundry in public.
[8:58] <midnightyell> Big companies take the GPL very seriously
[8:58] <GabrialDestruir> atouk, any chance you'll be releasing your source for your placeholder site?
[8:58] <mrpackethead> hey you hace have my source code
[8:58] <atouk> hold on. i'll update the rar
[8:58] <mrpackethead> main()
[8:58] <midnightyell> Yeah; that needs to be up on github or some such :)
[8:58] <mrpackethead> thats it
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[8:59] <midnightyell> Mark?
[8:59] <midnightyell> probablynot
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[9:03] <midnightyell> God, if the Europeans are logging on, it must be time for bed
[9:03] <thrawed> the europeans?!
[9:03] <midnightyell> == Pitel [~pitel@ip-94-113-20-150.net.upcbroadband.cz]
[9:03] <Pitel> can pls someone send me content of /boot/cmdline.txt from the latest raspbian
[9:03] <Pitel> ohai from europe o/
[9:04] <thrawed> Pitel: no boot.bak?
[9:04] <midnightyell> I only know .cz is either Prague, or Not-Prague
[9:04] <GabrialDestruir> Down to 35C with a fan
[9:04] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[9:04] <GabrialDestruir> idle that is
[9:04] <midnightyell> 35C is downright pleasant
[9:05] <Pitel> thrawed: the thing is I don;t have the latest image and would like to chech if the config is the same as the previous image.
[9:05] <GabrialDestruir> Well I have a desk fan on high blowing across the top :D
[9:05] <Pitel> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=noop rootwait
[9:05] <mrpackethead> does anyone have vlc running on pi?
[9:06] <midnightyell> Not I, but that reminds me: I wanted to get synergy running
[9:06] <mrpackethead> whats syngery
[9:06] <thrawed> mrpackethead: only omxplayer supports hardware accleration
[9:06] <midnightyell> even though you said VLC, I read that as VNC
[9:06] <ln-> does the pi have some temperature information available through lm_sensors or some other way?
[9:06] <midnightyell> see earlier comment about bedtime
[9:06] <thrawed> cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[9:07] <atouk> www.atouk.com/www.rar
[9:07] <midnightyell> synergy allows one keyboard/mouse to control multiple computers over the network
[9:07] <GabrialDestruir> Awesome :D
[9:07] <GabrialDestruir> Thanks atouk
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[9:07] <atouk> read the reame. you need to install wiringpi to get the code to read the pins
[9:07] <atouk> link is in there
[9:07] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, saw that.
[9:08] <GabrialDestruir> Now I just have to get it onto my pi. lol
[9:08] <PiRocketman> If you have stock Raspbian on it, there is a temperature applet that you can put in the system tray in LXDE
[9:08] <atouk> stock raspian with apache2, php5, and samba
[9:08] <GabrialDestruir> 40c running openelec and playing a video.
[9:09] <midnightyell> is this your Pi's temp, or do you have a rectal thermometer?
[9:09] <PiRocketman> I use synergy all the time. I use it to control all the workstations on my desk. Almost like a KVM without all the messy wires
[9:09] <GabrialDestruir> Pi's temp
[9:09] <midnightyell> ;)
[9:09] <atouk> that page is running on teh pi
[9:09] <PiRocketman> I also use it to control my media center while couch surfing from my laptop.
[9:10] <midnightyell> Synergy rocks; though it's like a KM, not a KVM
[9:10] <mrpackethead> i like being able to start videos playing randomly
[9:10] <Pitel> what is the highest safe frequency to run without any cooling?
[9:10] <thrawed> Pitel: 2ghz
[9:10] <mrpackethead> 6.2Ghz
[9:10] <midnightyell> 1GHz is supported now
[9:11] <atouk> that's a "depends" question. duty cycle, ambient temp, type of enclosure
[9:11] <PiRocketman> Pitel, they let you run 1 ghz with a double speed bump on the GPU and a slight voltage bump and still keep your warranty
[9:11] <mrpackethead> yeah, spend $700 on a cooling system
[9:11] <thrawed> Pitel: anyone who tells you the pi needs cooling is lying
[9:11] <mrpackethead> and you might be able to get a bit more out of it
[9:11] <mrpackethead> :-)
[9:11] <PiRocketman> I have two pretty much unventilated cases and no heatsinks on the CPU and my Pi doesn't get about 60C running full tilt for extended periods.
[9:12] <thrawed> Pitel: all the fans/heatsinks and purely for the e-peen, not the functionality
[9:12] <thrawed> *are
[9:12] <Pitel> ok, let's try the 1 GHz :)
[9:12] <ln-> thanks
[9:12] <mrpackethead> im currnetly running two pi's in my acceralated testing cupboard
[9:12] <thrawed> mrpackethead: sounds fancy
[9:12] <mrpackethead> just keen to see if we get any thermal problems
[9:13] <mrpackethead> not really
[9:13] <atouk> next one coming is getting raspbmc installed in it with a wifi dongle, and getting stuck to the back of the big screen with a piece of velcro
[9:13] <atouk> not even a case
[9:13] <mrpackethead> we can just adjust the ambient air temp from -20 to 80C programaticlly
[9:13] <thrawed> atouk: no vesa mounts?
[9:13] <PiRocketman> There are VESA mounts available now. Adhesives might come off over time with the heat.
[9:13] <mrpackethead> we use it at work to sample test some of our gear
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[9:14] <atouk> nope. velcro because i'm out of duct tape
[9:14] <midnightyell> hah
[9:14] <mrpackethead> we cycle from -15 to 60 every 15 to 20 minutes
[9:14] <mrpackethead> its all about thermally stressing everything
[9:14] <thrawed> there are lots of cases with vesa mounting holes
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[9:14] <GabrialDestruir_> How can I unrar this via ssh?
[9:14] <mrpackethead> if somethign is going to break, this will break it
[9:14] <GabrialDestruir_> >.>
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[9:15] <thrawed> GabrialDestruir: unrar
[9:15] <mrpackethead> tar -xvf this
[9:15] <PiRocketman> Vesa mount: http://adafruit.com/products/986
[9:15] <GabrialDestruir_> It says it's unavailable.
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[9:16] <PiRocketman> You don't have tar? What are you running?
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[9:16] <thrawed> PiRocketman: skpang sell something similar if you live in the UK
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[9:16] <GabrialDestruir_> rasbian, but the tar command I tried didn't work... I'll try again in a moment.
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[9:16] <mrpackethead> i just made a vesa mount
[9:16] <atouk> there's a lot in that rar that you dont need. the phpchart examples are all in there. the only thing i did there was to unobfuscate his code and make a little tweak
[9:16] <midnightyell> tar won't un-rar something. Will it?
[9:16] <mrpackethead> though i did'nt use all four holes
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[9:17] <atouk> four holes? most i've used was three...
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[9:19] <GabrialDestruir_> hmm
[9:20] <atouk> you want that in a zip instead?
[9:20] <midnightyell> with all 8.3 filenames?
[9:21] <GabrialDestruir_> That'd probably be easier, since I don't actually have a ftp server yet.
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[9:22] <PiRocketman> Most modern versions of tar will handle .gzipped files tar -xzvf
[9:22] <atouk> ok www.atouk.com/piwww.zip and www.atouk.com/piwww.rar
[9:22] <midnightyell> most ancient ones, too
[9:22] <PiRocketman> A lot will handle newer compression algs like bz2
[9:22] <midnightyell> right
[9:23] <midnightyell> -j
[9:23] <midnightyell> saw "xz" today for the 1st time
[9:23] <midnightyell> don't see any use for yet another compression utility....
[9:23] <thrawed> GabrialDestruir_: you don't need ftp
[9:23] <midnightyell> wget
[9:23] <thrawed> GabrialDestruir_: just use sftp with your ssh login
[9:23] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea, that's what i'm using.
[9:23] <GabrialDestruir_> sftp?
[9:24] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmm....
[9:24] <midnightyell> or scp
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[9:24] <atouk> you're going to want to install samba and make /var/www a share anyway
[9:24] <thrawed> samba is too much for my pi
[9:24] <PiRocketman> Should see some of the compression percentages I get with LZMA2 with 256 MB dictionary size and 4 GB solid blocks. Not too slow either with 8 threads.
[9:25] <atouk> dl it locally and then copy it there
[9:25] <PiRocketman> Does take up 11.3 GB of ram when compressing, but it only needs ~256 decompressing. I have plenty of ram to throw at the problem anyways. 24 GB is cheap these days
[9:27] <midnightyell> Fine; make me feel bad about 8G of RAM, which used to seem like a lot
[9:27] <PiRocketman> Cost me under $200 to max out my motherboard, and that was good quality ram, too.
[9:27] <midnightyell> God; only 6G in this desktop
[9:27] <atouk> anyone remember when ram was $100 a meg, raise yoru hand
[9:28] <PiRocketman> I make good use of it. I do a lot of editing of ultra high resolution images. 6000+ DPI.
[9:28] <midnightyell> that said, Handbrake gets 190+fps when decoding DVDs on this machine, so I think I'm ok
[9:28] <midnightyell> 6kdpi?
[9:28] <PiRocketman> Yeah
[9:28] <midnightyell> microscopy?
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[9:28] <PiRocketman> First rule of fight club...
[9:29] <midnightyell> Mhmm
[9:29] <midnightyell> Perhaps a closed-source community would fit your business model, then ;)
[9:30] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmm...
[9:30] <PiRocketman> A lot of it has to do with scans of very fine grained slide films.
[9:30] <PiRocketman> And thats all I am going to say.
[9:31] <midnightyell> Hm
[9:31] <atouk> i smell an alphabet agency
[9:31] <midnightyell> Not using film
[9:31] <midnightyell> not in the last 40 years
[9:32] <GabrialDestruir_> Why should the chmod on these sh files be?
[9:32] <midnightyell> I think he's retouching old Betty Page nudes
[9:32] <atouk> oh you also need to add a line to sudoers to get the page code to run as written
[9:32] <PiRocketman> Actually you know those pics of Princess Kate?
[9:32] <PiRocketman> jk :)
[9:32] <atouk> www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[9:32] <GabrialDestruir_> kk
[9:33] <midnightyell> www-data probably shouldn't be ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[9:33] <mrpackethead> sigh, we are over that
[9:33] <midnightyell> just as a general guideline
[9:33] <atouk> not production safe, but it's going to be for intranet only
[9:33] <midnightyell> sure sure
[9:34] <midnightyell> yet your box is online with those permissions :)
[9:34] <atouk> only temp
[9:34] <midnightyell> heh
[9:34] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmm....
[9:34] <GabrialDestruir_> That only made it partially work.
[9:35] <atouk> the project is actually going to be a solar powered remote antenna control box with selectable filters and ppreamp running an IQ stream into SDR# with a webpage as the contol interface
[9:36] <midnightyell> then you definitely shouldn't have www-data in sudoers :)
[9:37] <atouk> work in progress. needed that to get around something (can't remember what just now). but code, etc will change
[9:38] <atouk> didn't really WANT to, but hacks can get unhacked, and rehacked
[9:39] <atouk> i'll probobly morve more functions into shell scrpits and not need it
[9:39] <midnightyell> at least limit the executables that www-data can execute ;)
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[9:39] <GabrialDestruir_> I've got temp and it looks like memory working, I followed instructions for wiringPi but it doesn't appear to be working.
[9:40] <atouk> the entier point was to see what i could get it to do via web before deciding on hardware
[9:40] <midnightyell> take careful notes so that I can have an easier time of it when I install it :)
[9:40] <atouk> probobly not working because of the sudoers hack
[9:40] <midnightyell> I worked for a security company for a while; I'm just giving you a hard time. (Because you're WRONG ;)
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[9:41] <atouk> aw hell. I'm USED to being wrong. Im married!
[9:41] <midnightyell> True dat
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[9:42] <midnightyell> My wife nearly admitted I was right once. What she actually said was "You were less wrong than usual"
[9:43] <atouk> being wrong became a habit. it all started with "i do"
[9:43] <GabrialDestruir_> whats vcgencmd?
[9:44] <atouk> http://www.elinux.org/index.php?title=RPI_vcgencmd_usage&oldid=169742
[9:44] <atouk> latest firmware
[9:44] <GabrialDestruir_> Well I don't have it...
[9:44] <GabrialDestruir_> hmm
[9:45] <GabrialDestruir_> Let's try a dist-upgrade
[9:45] <atouk> rpi-update
[9:45] <GabrialDestruir_> already up to date, but that command doesn't exist
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[9:45] <atouk> what firmwar is being reported
[9:46] <atouk> above the spinning raspberry
[9:46] <GabrialDestruir_> version 338245 (release)
[9:47] <atouk> the do the apt gets
[9:47] <thrawed> GabrialDestruir_: are you sticking the full path in?
[9:47] <GabrialDestruir_> hmm lets try that
[9:47] <GabrialDestruir_> okay full path works
[9:47] <atouk> btw, can anybody test this thing for open ports?
[9:47] <[SLB]> otherwise it'd be vcgemcmd, which i think it's a typo, symlink to that
[9:48] <GabrialDestruir_> okay linked it
[9:48] <atouk> i don't DO tipos!!!
[9:48] <[SLB]> not you, who created the symlink
[9:49] <GabrialDestruir_> Nah it's not a type, there was no symlink
[9:49] <discopig> element14 has no backorder right?
[9:49] <GabrialDestruir_> typo*
[9:49] <GabrialDestruir_> Now just to figure out turbomode
[9:49] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[9:49] <atouk> last i looked they showed >100 in stock
[9:49] <[SLB]> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Sep 18 11:15 /usr/bin/vcgemcmd -> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd
[9:49] <[SLB]> that's what i found after some update, which is a typo
[9:49] <atouk> oops read that as newark
[9:49] <[SLB]> maybe the new image is fixed
[9:50] <GabrialDestruir_> not my type then
[9:50] <GabrialDestruir_> typo*
[9:50] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
[9:51] <midnightyell> netstat -na isn't good enough for you to look for servers?
[9:51] <[SLB]> i know, i didn't say it was ehe
[9:51] <thrawed> atouk: 22, 25, 80, 135, 139, 445, 901, 1080, 3128, 4567, 8000, 8080
[9:51] <atouk> tks
[9:51] <GabrialDestruir_> force_turbo=1 in config.txt right?
[9:51] <midnightyell> ssh, mail, http, samba, https, ...
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[9:53] <[SLB]> speaking of what, new firmware update for concurrent audio channels
[9:53] <[SLB]> reboot :3
[9:53] <thrawed> stereo?
[9:54] <[SLB]> nop, multiple streams playing concurrently
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[9:54] <[SLB]> brb
[9:54] * [SLB] (~slabua@unaffiliated/slabua) Quit (Quit: Close the world, Open the nExt)
[9:55] <midnightyell> Does anyone have any idea why we have to run mkimage on a kernel for the Pi?
[9:56] <midnightyell> what is that 1st 32k doing?
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[9:56] <midnightyell> since I'm apparently too lazy to disassemble it
[9:57] <GabrialDestruir_> How can I check turbo mode?
[9:57] <[SLB]> back, that was fast
[9:57] <[SLB]> vcgencmd measure_clock arm
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[9:57] <[SLB]> during some load
[9:58] <[SLB]> ops you set the turbo mode?
[9:58] <[SLB]> then it should stay overclocked already
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[10:01] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmm
[10:03] <[SLB]> time echo "scale=2000;4*a(1)" | bc -l
[10:03] <[SLB]> you may need to install bc for this test
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[10:07] <atouk> where are you looking?
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[10:09] <GabrialDestruir_> Okay... just trying to figure out how to enable, found a post in a forum I'm following now.
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[10:11] <[SLB]> you can also use raspi-config at this point, but if you want it to be constantly overclocking, namely not ondemand, there should be no need of
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[10:15] <atouk> well, i'm only testing the arm clock for speed and assuming it was set by raspi-config. that's why the header is reaspi-config turbo mode. armcock is tested to return the raspi-config names
[10:15] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmm.... the wiki and the post on the blog have differing info.
[10:15] <GabrialDestruir_> The blog says it won't void the warranty, however the wiki states that it does.
[10:15] <[SLB]> dynamic scaling does not
[10:15] <Dyskette> Overclocking and turbo mode do not void the warranty.
[10:15] <[SLB]> i think if you force turbo, is not dynamic anymore
[10:15] <atouk> raspi-config uses "warranty safe" settings
[10:15] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah
[10:15] <[SLB]> hm
[10:16] <GabrialDestruir_> Okay then.
[10:16] <Dyskette> [SLB]: if you mess with the turbo mode minimum settings, yeah.
[10:16] <[SLB]> yes but that's from raspi-config not turbo mode then
[10:16] <[SLB]> or you mean force_turbo?
[10:16] <Dyskette> yep.
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[10:16] <Dyskette> All raspi-config does is edit /boot/config.txt for you.
[10:16] <[SLB]> turbo as in raspi-config, aka 1ghz doesn't void warranty
[10:17] <Dyskette> (With regard to overclocking, that is)
[10:17] <mrpackethead> *i invalidate warrantys* and enjoy doing so
[10:17] <atouk> i'll just stay with the safe settings via R-C
[10:18] <atouk> there's way too many clocks on this thing and getting one wrong may ot damage anything, but cause timing problems in some freakish way
[10:18] <mrpackethead> a $35 computer is not a big risk to blow up
[10:18] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm wondering if I should buy the codecs for my non media pi... just incase I need them.
[10:18] <Dyskette> Depends on your economic situation.
[10:18] <mrpackethead> what can i do with codecs?
[10:18] <atouk> codecs are cheap enough
[10:18] <Dyskette> Decode things.
[10:18] <GabrialDestruir_> play mpeg2 :D
[10:19] <mrpackethead> right.
[10:19] <GabrialDestruir_> It's only like 5 bucks... it's not that bad price wise.
[10:19] <Dyskette> (Economic situation comment more aimed at blowing up a RPi not being a problem)
[10:19] <atouk> justo be clear. the codecs are just really enabling the HARDWARE decoders?
[10:19] <mrpackethead> ufnroutantly as yet i can't find a media player that provides good transport control
[10:19] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea.
[10:20] <[SLB]> yes, you get a serial number, not software
[10:20] <GabrialDestruir_> As opposed to having to use software decoding
[10:20] <GabrialDestruir_> I know. lol
[10:20] <atouk> i wonder what other ones that are in there they aren't telling you about
[10:21] <atouk> for example. on my page it shows H263 enabled. and that isn't mentioned anywhere
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[10:21] <thrawed> atouk: I'd rather have accelerated x
[10:21] <GabrialDestruir_> I think it's just a matter of what's in the blobs.
[10:22] <GabrialDestruir_> They could probably do all the different codecs in hardware, but what is disabled or enabled, just happens to be what they've coded for.
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[10:25] <GabrialDestruir_> That's never a good sign... lol
[10:26] <atouk> ?
[10:26] <mjr> paying for the codecs "just in case" is just helping to prop up the corrupt patent regime for no reason
[10:26] <GabrialDestruir_> I rebooted my pi and it wasn't coming back up
[10:27] <mrpackethead> i disagree
[10:27] <[SLB]> defibrillator
[10:27] <mrpackethead> if the software authors legimately invented it
[10:27] <mrpackethead> they deserve to get paid for it
[10:27] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah great....
[10:27] <Dyskette> The mpeg2 guys haven't been paid yet?
[10:27] <GabrialDestruir_> raspi-config broke something :)
[10:28] <Dyskette> GabrialDestruir_: did you overclock?
[10:28] <[SLB]> i guess just too high settings
[10:28] <atouk> reflash the card and start over
[10:28] <GabrialDestruir_> heh
[10:28] <Dyskette> GabrialDestruir_: because if so, holding shift during boot disables it
[10:28] <[SLB]> try to lower the sdram down manually in config.txt
[10:28] <thrawed> Dyskette: of course they've been paid, they only sell the licenses in massive bundles of millions
[10:28] <GabrialDestruir_> probably too high values
[10:28] <mrpackethead> are we in a position to say, "hey you'v earned enough now"..
[10:28] <Dyskette> thrawed: that's my point.
[10:28] <mrpackethead> is that our choice?
[10:28] <Dyskette> mrpackethead: yes.
[10:28] <Dyskette> :)
[10:28] <mrpackethead> im not sure if we are
[10:29] <mjr> it is arguable whether money you get through monopoly rackets is "earned"!
[10:29] <mrpackethead> lol..
[10:29] <mjr> oops, extra !
[10:29] <mrpackethead> anyway..
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[10:30] <GabrialDestruir_> Lowered the clock frequency
[10:31] <atouk> nothing wrong with pay for codecs, BUT if a codec is in common use (broadcast digital tv, eg) then it should be freely available. proprietary codecs should only be used for poprietary purposes only
[10:31] <mrpackethead> heres an interesting observation
[10:31] <mrpackethead> i can start omxplayer
[10:31] <mrpackethead> and then imedinately send it a 'P' for pause
[10:32] <mrpackethead> via a FIFO
[10:33] <mrpackethead> mkfifo /tmp/cmd omxplayer -ohdmi mymedia.avi < /tmp/cmd echo . > /tmp/cmd (Start omxplayer running as the command will initial wait for input via the fifo) echo -n p > /tmp/cmd - Playback is paused echo -n q > /tmp/cmd - Playback quits
[10:33] <mrpackethead> this might be enough to make my problem go away
[10:34] <mjr> Besides, were you to say that we're _not_ in a position to say "hey you've earned/extorted enough now", patents should be forever. Do you think patents should last forever, mrpackethead?
[10:34] <mrpackethead> Im not sure
[10:34] <mrpackethead> im still trying to find an intellegent postion on the matter
[10:35] <atouk> patents are way ouf of control. the entire system needs a reboot
[10:35] <atouk> patent a box with rounded edges? really?
[10:35] <mrpackethead> i have one patent to my name
[10:35] <mjr> Ah. Okay, I guess I should be happy you're not yet sure whether to hold such an extremely insane position. Carry on.
[10:35] <thrawed> atouk: beating a dead horse
[10:36] <mrpackethead> well, shoudl i say, i have a patent that a big multinational owns..
[10:36] <GabrialDestruir_> The way I see it, it's their software.... should they really not get paid for it?
[10:36] <mrpackethead> its not worth anything really
[10:36] <atouk> careful. someone my have a patent on dead horse beating
[10:36] <GabrialDestruir_> That's like taking a video game.... saying "Hey.... these developers have made back their time/money and a little extra.... let's give the game away"
[10:36] <mjr> GabrialDestruir_, who are you talking about? MPEG-LA isn't in the software business.
[10:37] <Dyskette> GabrialDestruir_: and lots of developers/publishers do that.
[10:37] <mjr> they're in the business of getting paid so that other people are _allowed_ to do software and hardware
[10:38] <mrpackethead> there are very strong arguments for both sides
[10:38] <GabrialDestruir_> They designed the codec didn't they? Shouldn't they get paid for their work?
[10:38] <Dyskette> Haven't they been?
[10:39] <GabrialDestruir_> Plus it's a handful of dollars on our side for a lifetime of use, is it really so bad you need to go all "DOWN WITH THE SYSTEM!"
[10:39] <mjr> they didn't actually, they merely administer it. Also, being paid for one's work is different from extorting money from everyone ever that uses the result.
[10:39] <mrpackethead> yes, they probably have receivd some money
[10:39] <atouk> codecs are a potocol, the code to recover the content may be patentable, and if someone else writs code to recover it in a different manner than the first person did, that isn't infringing
[10:39] <mrpackethead> but who are you to say, that they shoud'tn receive any more
[10:39] <mrpackethead> and why shoudl only some people pay for it and then its free for others?
[10:40] <mrpackethead> atok, you celarly dont' udnerstand how patents worth then
[10:40] <Dyskette> atouk: that sounds more like copyright
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[10:41] <Dyskette> mrpackethead: by that logic, patents should never expire
[10:41] <mrpackethead> maybe that is correct
[10:41] <Dyskette> That would make them utterly unfit for purpose.
[10:42] <thrawed> patents should expire after 15 years, software patents should expire after 2 years.
[10:42] <Dyskette> The idea is that you reveal exactly how your new tech works in exchange for a period of exclusivity.
[10:42] <mrpackethead> what makes softare any differnet from anything else?
[10:42] <mjr> that "idea" is only PR
[10:42] <Dyskette> It's supposed to encourage general progress through the sharing of ideas.
[10:42] <thrawed> mrpackethead: the speed of innovation
[10:42] <mrpackethead> the crux of the problem
[10:42] <mjr> the real idea is to give monopolists rent money
[10:42] <mjr> rather than them having to compete on a free market
[10:43] <atouk> look at it this way. before tv went digital, a clever person could gett all the parts abd build a tv from scratch that received broadcast tv. no patents invilved (speaking of private individual here). once it wen't digital, it became impossible for an individual to build from scratch a tv that would receive what is boradcast on public airways for general consumption without having to
[10:43] <atouk> pay a private corporation for the "right" to do so
[10:43] <mrpackethead> are the rights of the individual more or less important than the rights of the whole of society
[10:43] <Dyskette> mjr: that's the effect wit hthe way things are handled these days, aye
[10:43] <thrawed> mrpackethead: depends where you live
[10:43] <mrpackethead> so, its situational
[10:43] <Dyskette> mrpackethead: certainly never more. Arguing 'less' is also problematic. Better to just point out that it's a false dichotomy since the whole of society is comprised of individuals :)
[10:44] <mjr> mrpackethead, happily, the rights of the individual to _do things on themselves that harm no-one without permission from random corporate drones_ are on the anti-patent side
[10:44] <mrpackethead> LOL..
[10:44] <johang> atouk: you can totally build a digital TV for your own private purposes without patent licenses.
[10:45] <mjr> patents aren't a right, they're a privilege to _deny_ others the right to do something on their own
[10:45] <johang> but patents don't apply when you're working privately on your own.
[10:46] <mjr> johang, depends on the jurisdiction. Also, I did not say "privately".
[10:46] <atouk> not true. part of the cost of components go straight back to the patent holders on the broadcast standards. so in effect you are payig for the right to a PRIVATE CORPORATION to watch what is on PUBLIC airwaves
[10:46] <johang> atouk: so build the components yourself.
[10:46] <Dyskette> atouk: you cound theoretically build your own components to avoid that
[10:46] <mrpackethead> because you can
[10:47] <mrpackethead> not because its smart
[10:48] <mjr> Again, depending on jurisdiction even building them yourself could be illegal. Also, selling the TV you built yourself would definitely be illegal. Where's your individual rights now?
[10:49] <mrpackethead> just don't tell anyone
[10:49] <mrpackethead> :-)
[10:49] <mrpackethead> and watch your tv in private
[10:49] <mrpackethead> lol..
[10:49] <GabrialDestruir_> So my Pi can't do Turbo 1Ghz
[10:49] <GabrialDestruir_> but it can do high
[10:50] <mrpackethead> sorry i patented turbo 1GHZ raspberry Pi
[10:50] <atouk> might be the sd card, not the pi
[10:50] <mrpackethead> please send me $0.05
[10:50] <[SLB]> did you try lowering the ram and leaving the arm at 1ghz?
[10:50] <mjr> mrpackethead, for someone purportedly being concerned with individual rights, you sure don't seem to mind individuals having to do their thing in secrecy...
[10:50] <mrpackethead> mjr.. i don't ahve a position on patents
[10:50] <GabrialDestruir_> It's also idling around 35-36c temperature wise with my fan on them :D
[10:51] <mjr> let's ban gay sex, you can still do it in secret after all
[10:51] <mrpackethead> other to say its really complicated, and i don't pretend to have enough understanding of it to make an intellengent choice
[10:51] <johang> mjr: I patented it yesterday :)
[10:51] <Fleck> ;p
[10:52] <Dyskette> I'm gonna go ahead and cite raspberrypi.org as prior art to invalidate both of those patent claims.
[10:52] <mjr> mrpackethead, fine, but you did put individual rights on the pro-long-patent side, I just wanted to take them the hell out of there
[10:52] <mrpackethead> fleck, do you want to settle out of court for your use of that character combination?
[10:52] <Fleck> mrpackethead LOL :D
[10:53] <mrpackethead> mjr, you posted at 20:52, shall i email you my solicitors details?
[10:53] <mjr> nope, because I clearly posted at 11:52 ;P
[10:53] <GabrialDestruir_> The issue with your claim there mrpackethead, is that use of combinations and all uses of combinations like it aka "Emoticons" were patented by my in the 90s.
[10:53] <GabrialDestruir_> :p
[10:54] <mrpackethead> <!!>
[10:54] <mrpackethead> i claim teh internet
[10:54] <mrpackethead> and everythign on it
[10:54] <GabrialDestruir_> Already been done.
[10:54] <[SLB]> (????????????)
[10:54] <GabrialDestruir_> Sorry.
[10:54] <mrpackethead> how come we dont' pay for TCP/IP
[10:54] <weltall> and everything containing it
[10:54] <atouk> then you go straight to jail for posession of kiddie porn
[10:54] <thrawed> guys, I patented the turbo button back in the 90's, you both owe me money
[10:54] <mrpackethead> opps
[10:54] <GabrialDestruir_> Because TCP/IP was never patented?
[10:54] <GabrialDestruir_> Was it?
[10:55] <mrpackethead> if not, why not
[10:55] <mjr> mrpackethead, mostly because the industry practices hadn't gone in full-batshit-crazy mode when it was made. Also, because it's a while back and happily, patents _aren't_ forever (yet).
[10:55] <GabrialDestruir_> because the people behind TCP/IP weren't in it for the money?
[10:55] <mrpackethead> thats for sure
[10:55] <mrpackethead> back in teh day
[10:55] <thrawed> people didn't think there was a whole lot of money in the internet back then
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[10:55] <mrpackethead> before irc
[10:55] <[SLB]> poor meucci indeed got his patent stolen by bell because he couldn't renew it
[10:55] <mrpackethead> before http
[10:55] <mjr> if it were patented, it's not unlikely the internet's creation would've been delayed (and it'd use something else)
[10:56] <mrpackethead> AOL
[10:56] <atouk> compuserve
[10:56] <atouk> text pages
[10:56] <GabrialDestruir_> If it were patented, another protocol would of taken it's place and the internet's creation would of only been delayed by months I imagine.
[10:56] <Dyskette> There's some suggestion that we can thank the BSD guys for Microsoft deciding to use the same networking protocols for the internet as the rest of the world
[10:57] <GabrialDestruir_> Maybe a couple years at most.
[10:57] <mjr> GabrialDestruir_, the problem is, that another protocol would probably infringe some of the tcp/ip patents too
[10:57] <Dyskette> Free software is good.
[10:57] <Dyskette> Fragmentation is bad.
[10:57] <atouk> that's part of my point. as soon as a protocol becomes a defact standard, the entire patent model should go away
[10:57] <thrawed> Dyskette: fork all the things
[10:57] <GabrialDestruir_> Free software ultimately leads to fragmentation...
[10:57] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
[10:57] <Dyskette> thrawed: sure, just keep them compatible
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[10:58] <Dyskette> GabrialDestruir_: yeah, because TCP/IP is so fragmented.
[10:58] <mjr> well, the packets _are_ routinely fragmented as necessary...
[10:58] <GabrialDestruir_> ^
[10:58] <thrawed> nobodys fragmenting my packets
[10:59] <thrawed> I paid for whole ones
[10:59] <Dyskette> We have a completely standard way of addressing stuff on the internet.
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[10:59] <mjr> in fact, we have two!
[10:59] <Dyskette> If free software inherently led to fragmentation and forking, we woudldn't, what with the system we use being free
[10:59] <atouk> unlesss you address it with a single mouse click, then it's patented
[11:00] <mjr> though to be fair, ipv6 isn't fragmentation, it's forward development
[11:00] <Dyskette> mjr: we have an old and a new spec of one, but yeah
[11:00] <GabrialDestruir_> But ipv6 has led to fragmentation.
[11:01] <Dyskette> How? Are there competing ipv6 implementations that are mutually incompatible?
[11:01] <mjr> not in any usual sense of the word
[11:01] <GabrialDestruir_> There will be areas of internet that are ipv6 only, which means fragmentation between ipv4 and ipv6
[11:01] <thrawed> do you mean how isps are clinging onto the last handfuls of v4?
[11:02] <mrpackethead> i have to go back to work on monday
[11:02] <mrpackethead> grrr
[11:02] <mrpackethead> its been nice having 2 weeks off
[11:02] <GabrialDestruir_> People who haven't or can't upgrade to ipv6 find themselves separated from sites that only exist on ipv6.... so is that not fragmentation?
[11:02] <mrpackethead> would'nt like to do it for the reason i did for a long time aain though
[11:03] <Dyskette> GabrialDestruir_: who can't upgrade to ipv6?
[11:03] <mrpackethead> my wife
[11:03] <GabrialDestruir_> People who can't afford new modems/routers, etc?
[11:03] <atouk> hardware with hard coded ip4
[11:03] <mrpackethead> my kids
[11:03] <mrpackethead> it will happen
[11:04] <mrpackethead> it will just happen
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[11:04] <Dyskette> I don't think I've ever seen any 100M (rather than 10M) ethernet gear that didn't support ipv6
[11:04] <Dyskette> But I might've just gotten lucky, I suppose.
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[11:05] <GabrialDestruir_> I have a router bought in the last year that doesn't support ipv6
[11:05] <mrpackethead> mmm, ethernet that supports IP
[11:05] <atouk> no minor stuff. majo stuff like million dollar industrial control systems
[11:05] <mrpackethead> please explain
[11:05] <mrpackethead> lol..
[11:05] <mrpackethead> just arguing for the sake of it
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[11:06] <mjr> yeah much of network equipment (switches and stuff) don't really need to know anything about ipv6 to work just fine with it
[11:06] <Dyskette> GabrialDestruir_: couldn't you install an embedded linx on it, for example, and get ipv6 support that way?
[11:06] <GabrialDestruir_> and I've yet to find any information for firmware like ddwrt on how to add ipv6 in some simple way.
[11:06] <mrpackethead> rasbpery pi switch
[11:06] <mjr> I use my adsl modem in bridging mode and it gets me ipv6 just fine without knowing anything about it
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[11:07] <GabrialDestruir_> The hardware doesn't have to know anything, but the software/firmware on that hardware does.
[11:07] <mjr> but routers, I don't think many of the 100M stuffs do
[11:07] <Dyskette> I mean, ipv4/6 is software, right?
[11:08] <GabrialDestruir_> Yes, but doesn't mean every piece of hardware running ipv4 capable software/firmware is going to get the upgrade to ipv6
[11:08] <Dyskette> No, but they should all be able to.
[11:08] <GabrialDestruir_> Theoretically, yes.
[11:08] <GabrialDestruir_> Practically though, probably not.
[11:08] <Dyskette> And it'd suprise me if it didn't become more common and straightforward as/when ipv6 becomes more useful than ipv4
[11:09] <Dyskette> It's a niche thing at the moment.
[11:09] <Dyskette> In world where good parts of hte internet are only on ipv6, it's not going to be a niche thing for long.
[11:10] <mjr> sure it will become more common and straigthforward, but more through new devices than updates to older ones
[11:11] <Dyskette> (And seriously, I've yet to see a consumer grade router that doesn't support ipv6. Most of them have it set up to pass out addresses out of the box, even, alongside ipv4)
[11:14] <GabrialDestruir_> There's plenty of routers that don't support ipv6, and they never will.
[11:14] <GabrialDestruir_> Truth of it is, companies won't go update all their routers from like 2004 or whatever for ipv6 support, they'll just produce new routers. Force the consumers to spend more money to make their internet work again.
[11:14] * Fleck got mikrotik, and I love it! :) and has MetaRouter :D
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[11:15] <Dyskette> GabrialDestruir_: and at that point, I imagine it'll get easier to add ipv6 with ddwrt and similar
[11:15] <GabrialDestruir_> Sure, if developers are working on dd-wrt for your brand/model of router.
[11:15] <GabrialDestruir_> Otherwise you're just SoL
[11:16] <atouk> off to bed for me. 5am here
[11:16] <Fleck> :D 12.16PM here :P\
[11:16] <atouk> and i'm tired of windows pop up for a reboot after an update
[11:17] <Fleck> atouk i usually move the windows at the egde and dont press button :D
[11:18] <atouk> yeah but bed is calling anyway
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[11:18] <atouk> night all
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[11:19] <mrpackethead> ok, i'm pretty happy with this!!!
[11:19] <mrpackethead> thinks i have solved this little problem
[11:19] <GabrialDestruir_> Wait.... who was saying that h264 was disabled for them?
[11:20] <mrpackethead> what an ugly solution though
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[11:35] <pepijndevos> wait, so the image on the website is based of raspbian, which is based on debian? why all the indirection?
[11:35] <[SLB]> raspbian is wheezy optimized for the pi hardware
[11:37] <pepijndevos> [SLB]: "It???s a reference root filesystem from Alex and Dom, based on the Raspbian optimised version of Debian"
[11:37] <pepijndevos> which seems to imply it's not straight raspbian
[11:38] <[SLB]> what is the subject "It"?
[11:39] <Dyskette> pepijndevos: well anything distributed as an sd-card image is kinda 'based off' whatever distro it is.
[11:40] <pepijndevos> [slb]: whatever is on the download page of raspberrypi.org.
[11:40] <[SLB]> the first raspbian, if that was the subject, was softfloat
[11:40] <[SLB]> therefore not optimised for the hardware, maybe that's what it means
[11:41] <pepijndevos> I'm just curious if the image on the website is just raspbian, or something based on raspbian
[11:41] <[SLB]> yes also as Dyskette, you don't install a distro, just dd the image
[11:41] <Dyskette> pepijndevos: it's an installed raspbian system
[11:42] <[SLB]> *+said,
[11:43] <mrpackethead> right, back
[11:43] <mrpackethead> so, omxplayer coughs on really high def videos
[11:43] <mrpackethead> ?
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[11:48] <Dyskette> mrpackethead: I haven't noticed that. What memory split are you using?
[11:48] <[SLB]> and define "really high def"
[11:51] <mrpackethead> mmm, did'nt set any memrory split
[11:51] <mrpackethead> maybe my next problem
[11:51] <mrpackethead> :-)
[11:53] <mrpackethead> currently set at 192/64
[11:54] <mrpackethead> any suggestons
[11:54] <mrpackethead> just trying 128/128
[11:54] <Dyskette> I've had no problem playing back 1080p video using 128/128
[11:55] <Dyskette> But I haven't really tried with other memory splits, so I dunno how much difference it'd make.
[11:55] <Vostok> i wonder if all the kernel panic i'm getting is related to my soldering on the board
[11:55] <Dyskette> I do know that omxplayer doesn't like the 224/32 split much, though
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[11:59] <Spiffy> How is the performance with 1080p, and a dts soundtrack then?
[11:59] <mrpackethead> $ omxplayer -o hdmi Coral_Reef_Adventure_720_x264.mp4 file : Coral_Reef_Adventure_720_x264.mp4 result 27 format mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 audio streams 1 video streams 1 chapters 0 subtitles 0 Aspect : num 1 den 1 aspect 1.666667 display aspect 1.777778 Video codec omx-h264 width 800 height 480 profile 578 fps 25.000000 Audio codec aac channels 2 samplerate 44100 bitspersample 16 Subtitle count : 0 state off : index 0
[11:59] <pepijndevos> how many "stuff" do you get by default on raspbian? I don't need any GUI and all that.
[12:00] <mrpackethead> it might just be the movei
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[12:00] <Dyskette> pepijndevos: there's lxde by default, and a reasonable bit of 'stuff'
[12:00] <pepijndevos> :(
[12:01] <pepijndevos> apt-get uninstall stuff
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[12:01] <Dyskette> pepijndevos: that's one option. Might also be worth looking at http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/07/31/84-mb-minimal-raspbian-armhf-image-for-raspberry-pi/
[12:02] <Dyskette> Hah, nevermind, that's what that's doing :P
[12:04] <Dyskette> Though there is a minimal image at the bottom which you can download.
[12:04] <Dyskette> The link isn't very clear.
[12:04] <GabrialDestruir_> Figured out a better way to secure that sudoer requirement :D
[12:05] <GabrialDestruir_> Now I just have to figure out how to implement it.
[12:06] <pepijndevos> Dyskette: hm, i don't think that includes the new turbo mode, right?
[12:06] <Dyskette> pepijndevos: you can install the new firmware with apt-get
[12:06] <pepijndevos> oh
[12:06] <pepijndevos> okay
[12:07] <Dyskette> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=17788&p=176847
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[12:22] <bemasher> is there a program similar to xev for logging remote control "key presses"?
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[12:46] <mrpackethead> anyone know how to lock a raspberry PI down
[12:47] <Fleck> remove SD card? :D
[12:47] <Fleck> disconnect power? :D
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[12:49] <GabrialDestruir_> Take the SD card with you where ever you go...
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[12:50] <GabrialDestruir_> Then no one can access whatever is "Locked Down" unless they take it from you.
[12:50] <Fleck> ;P
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[12:51] <GabrialDestruir_> Busy completely revamping atouk's website.... now I need to completely redo the shell script part so I can better manipulate the information
[12:52] <chithead> mrpackethead: your question is probably too vague to get any meaningful response
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> morning Pi Pops.
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[12:56] <pepijndevos> oi, help. I just downloaded raspbian, and I thought I could enable ssh by renaming a file, but there is no such thing.
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[12:56] <jui-feng> pepijndevos, I think it is enabled by default
[12:56] <jui-feng> unless they changed that recently
[12:57] <pepijndevos> jui-feng: it is for arch, bit for raspbian too?
[12:57] <pepijndevos> well, I'll find out quickly enough
[12:57] <jui-feng> pepijndevos, the first raspbian release had it enabled AFAIR
[12:57] <[SLB]> GabrialDestruir how did you make it work in the end, needed to add some lines in sudoers and maybe fix some paths?
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[12:58] <jui-feng> pepijndevos, the reasoning was "It's easy to disable SSH after boot using the raspi-config tool, but it's hard to enable it when you plan to use it headless"
[13:00] <[SLB]> pepijndevos, maybe this could help you http://www.slblabs.com/2012/08/16/rpi-ssh-ip/
[13:00] <pepijndevos> right
[13:00] <des2> Yeah if you don't have a monitor how do you enable ssh ?
[13:00] <[SLB]> ^
[13:00] <pepijndevos> well, i read a couple of times you had to change a filename
[13:00] <des2> Thus sshd has to be running for the case of a no monitor system
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[13:02] <jui-feng> from a security POV, it might be better to disable SSH by default... there are probably many raspi users who don't even know what SSH is, and they are afraid of disabling it.. :-) editing/moving a file to enable it could improve security, but I like it the way it is now. :D
[13:02] <des2> http://www.tristancollins.me/2012/07/18/headless-raspbian-installation/
[13:03] <des2> security ?
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[13:03] <des2> This is an experimental educational computer
[13:04] <jui-feng> sure. but there are raspis connected to the internet.
[13:04] <paul--> hmm
[13:05] <paul--> ssh and dhcp isnt on by default on raspain?
[13:05] <[SLB]> ssh isn't
[13:05] <paul--> why?
[13:05] <paul--> thats stupid
[13:05] <chithead> would be a bad idea, because it has known public passwords
[13:06] <jui-feng> it isn't? when did they change that?
[13:06] <[SLB]> since july at least
[13:06] <paul--> most linux distributions have the same approach
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[13:07] <gordonDrogon> or tehy don't even install sshd at all.
[13:07] <chithead> they do install sshd, but they don't start it by default
[13:07] <drivelights> you don't run a linux intaller onto a raspi where it can ask you the initial password, the image has a default password so it is publicly known
[13:07] <paul--> openwrt does
[13:08] <paul--> whats the point in the tinfoil
[13:08] <drivelights> when you change the password then you can enable SSH
[13:08] <chithead> yeah, the "default password and ssh problem" has been solved by openwrt circa 2004
[13:08] <paul--> i dont have a usb keyboard, or computer screen
[13:08] <chithead> then edit /etc/shadow on your sdcard and set the symlink to make sshd start
[13:09] <drivelights> what is the openwrt solution?
[13:09] <chithead> openwrt disables sshd, but opens a telnet interface that is intended for nothing else but setting the root password. once you do, it enables sshd and disables telnet
[13:10] <des2> Actually it
[13:10] <drivelights> is this telnet interface only accessibly on the local subnet or something like that?
[13:11] <paul--> again, tinfoil much?
[13:11] <gordonDrogon> chithead, I meant other linux distros don't install it - eg. Debian. I wish the RPI install was more like Debian, but it's hard to make it so...
[13:11] <des2> Actually you can just always enable sshd but if you run a monitor the first time and set a password you can disable it.
[13:11] <paul--> if you are stupid enough to give the device a public ip with a default root /login you are stupid and deserve it
[13:12] <gordonDrogon> paul--, the issue is that some people just don't realise that or the implications - yes, they're ignorant and need educating, but it has happened and will continue to happen.
[13:12] <chithead> or modify /etc/shadow after copying the image to sd card
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[13:12] <paul--> how do i mount the sdcard in macosx?
[13:13] <pepijndevos> paul--: should be automatic, or have a look in disk utility
[13:14] <paul--> it mounts the boot partition fine
[13:14] <paul--> nothing else
[13:14] <chithead> os x does not support ext2/3/4 natively. you'll need extfs or macfuse+fuse-ext2
[13:15] <chithead> or boot into a proper os
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[13:15] <paul--> proper os? shrug???
[13:16] <advancednewbie_> lol
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[13:16] <pepijndevos> blurp. I get locale warnings
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[13:17] <des2> Set your locale.
[13:18] <pepijndevos> des2: I used the config tool, if that is what you're saying
[13:18] <pepijndevos> http://pastebin.com/0xMi3qLE
[13:19] <des2> This pastebin thing is great.
[13:21] <des2> Can you do? #dpkg-reconfigure locales
[13:22] <des2> (as root, hence the # prompt)
[13:22] <des2> If not try: # aptitude install locales
[13:23] <des2> or # ocale-gen en_US.UTF-8
[13:24] <des2> replacing en_US.UTF-8 with your locale
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[13:27] <des2> oops should be or #locale-gen en_US.UTF-8
[13:28] <pepijndevos> down to the last step
[13:29] <pepijndevos> still a lot of the same perl warnings
[13:29] <pepijndevos> whatever??? i don't care, reall
[13:29] <pepijndevos> y
[13:29] <jui-feng> pepijndevos, is that the raspbian image? (and I'm curious, how did you enable SSH?)
[13:29] <pepijndevos> jui-feng: it is, and it was on by default
[13:30] <des2> lol
[13:30] <jui-feng> ah, so SSH is still enabled by default... great. Strange that a default image has those locale errors...
[13:30] <paul--> after all the tinfoil shit above, it's on?
[13:30] <paul--> great, now i'll go try
[13:30] <des2> Like I said, if it isn't on how would you turn it on ?
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[13:32] <[SLB]> thats how i did http://www.slblabs.com/2012/08/16/rpi-ssh-ip/
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[13:33] <des2> I think $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[13:33] <des2> should probably work.
[13:34] <jui-feng> [SLB], as it turns out, SSH is still/again enabled by default in the latest raspbian release
[13:34] <des2> # ln -s etc/init.d/ssh etc/rc2.d/S02ssh
[13:34] <[SLB]> urm, maybe i started from a very old image then
[13:34] <des2> So you had to mount the card on a different system to link the file.
[13:34] <[SLB]> yes
[13:35] <[SLB]> i had to anyway to write the image on the sd
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[13:35] <pepijndevos> des2: it works, but hten it still gives the same error afterwards
[13:35] <des2> SSH server included, launches on boot by default
[13:36] <des2> http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[13:36] <discopig> hi
[13:36] <des2> Did you reboot pepijndevos ?
[13:36] <[SLB]> but by default it takes a dynamic ip, also i downloaded the image from the raspberrypi website itself
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[13:36] <pepijndevos> des2: no, will try that after i finish this
[13:36] <pepijndevos> oh, yea.. I need to set up a static ip soonish
[13:37] <des2> RIght you do have to set a static IP specifically.
[13:37] <des2> Otherwise it uses DHCP
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[13:40] <GabrialDestruir_> I forgot what a pain in the ass it is to manipulate tables in html.
[13:40] <GabrialDestruir_> Especially when you're using nano to do your coding.
[13:40] <scummos> use a better editor :)
[13:41] <des2> The image is shipped with OpenSSH server by default, it is very important to regenerate RSA/DSA keys:
[13:41] <des2> rm /etc/ssh/ssh_host_* && dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server
[13:41] <scummos> oh wait right
[13:41] <scummos> good point des2
[13:41] <paul--> pepijndevos: did you not run sudo raspi-config
[13:41] <paul--> where the 6th menu option is set locale?
[13:42] <pepijndevos> paul--: I did
[13:42] <jui-feng> des2, that applies to Hexxehs images only
[13:42] <scummos> still the brightest idea about the pi definitely is labelling the LED which tells that the LAN runs in 100M mode instead of 10M with "10M"
[13:42] <jui-feng> the official foundation image is created by the foundation, and it comes without pregenerated SSH host keys
[13:43] <des2> right jui-feng.
[13:43] <scummos> so ssh will generate a key when a connection is established or so?
[13:44] <jui-feng> scummos, not sure when exactly.. could be on first boot as well
[13:44] <GabrialDestruir_> I completely forget if I did that or not .-.
[13:44] <scummos> okay
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[13:44] <des2> As jui-feng just pointed out that for the Hexxehimage
[13:44] <des2> As jui-feng just pointed out thats for the Hexxeh image
[13:45] <des2> Configure locale settings:
[13:45] <des2> apt-get install locales
[13:45] <des2> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[13:45] <des2> even has instructions to follow for locale setting.
[13:45] <pepijndevos> I think my router gives out the same ip to the same host name every time. I wonder how reliable that is.
[13:45] <des2> http://www.raspbian.org/HexxehImages
[13:45] <scummos> pepijndevos: my router has a config option for that#
[13:46] <scummos> but mine does it based on mac address
[13:46] <des2> How many different computers are using your network ?
[13:46] <des2> Your router may support ip by mac address or ip by name.
[13:46] <des2> Very router dependent.
[13:48] <pepijndevos> oh shit, now my locale is dutch. but it works
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[13:48] <GabrialDestruir_> My routers lets me setup up static dhcps.
[13:48] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[13:49] <plugwash> IIRC usually dhcp clients will ask for the IP they had last time
[13:49] <des2> The Dutch know locales and Dikes.
[13:49] <plugwash> and usually dhcp servers will grant it unless it's already taken
[13:52] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea, which means if you have a lot of people logging on and off the ip switches often.
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[13:53] <ReggieUK> just a gentle reminder about using foul language everyone, please don't :)
[13:53] <jui-feng> my router's DNS service resolves "raspi" to whatever IP my raspi currently has, so even if a lot of people started using my network, that should be fine
[13:54] <GabrialDestruir_> Personally, I like a static dhcp. I can assign specific IPs to each person, then have the rest of the range for guests.
[13:54] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[13:56] <des2> I'd try $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[13:56] <des2> And see if you can get a non-Dutch one.
[13:57] <pepijndevos> des2: I set it back to en_GB, but still the same errors
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[13:58] <des2> Throw in an: apt-get install locales
[13:58] <des2> To make sure you have them all
[14:00] <pepijndevos> des2: I did
[14:00] <pepijndevos> uhoh, consequence of ignoring the problem: unable to convert "\xC3" to UTF-8 in conversion from ASCII-8BIT to UTF-8 to US-ASCII for lib/maruku/attributes.rb, skipping
[14:01] <paul--> heh sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && reboot == raspbian didnt come back up
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[14:14] <pepijndevos> des2: do you have an /etc/locale file or something?
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[14:23] <des2> on my Ubuntu system I have an /etc/locale.alias
[14:24] <des2> and /etc/locale.nopurge
[14:24] <pepijndevos> same
[14:24] <des2> set
[14:24] <pepijndevos> well, I'll let it be for now, maybe it magically resolves itself after another reboot
[14:25] <des2> Or the next complete upgrade
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[14:26] <OpenSys> hello, anyone knows where is the kernel source or patch's of the new turbo mode, that have scaling cpu, and cpu temp monitor ?
[14:26] <des2> Are you running Raspbian ?
[14:27] <des2> OpenSys ?
[14:27] <OpenSys> des2, no, i use armslack with my kernel
[14:27] <des2> ok
[14:27] <OpenSys> because that i need the source :)
[14:28] <des2> I understand
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[14:30] <plugwash> presumablly the source is in the usual place on github
[14:31] <[SLB]> um, if i regenerate the keys with dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server, then it doesn't let me in anymore. i log in via key not password, i thought it only mattered my client keys
[14:31] <[SLB]> what should i edit then?
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[14:34] <plugwash> what error are you getting when you try to login?
[14:34] <[SLB]> Add correct host key in /home/slb/.ssh/known_hosts
[14:34] <[SLB]> but i only changed the pi keys
[14:35] <OpenSys> find the changes: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/commits/rpi-3.2.27
[14:35] <[SLB]> moment, let me check my local keys here
[14:35] <OpenSys> [SLB], do this: echo > /home/slb/.ssh/known_hosts
[14:35] <des2> Add correct host key in /home/slb/.ssh/known_hosts
[14:35] <OpenSys> reset all :)
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[14:36] <[SLB]> yes fact is the two paths are identical on local pc and the pi, so i was wondering
[14:36] <[SLB]> let me check
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[14:38] <[SLB]> OpenSys, on the local machine?
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[14:38] <[SLB]> wait wait, too many old keys in there, lol
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[14:39] <des2> Any skeleton keys ?
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[14:40] <[SLB]> fixed :)
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[14:44] <pepijndevos> oh, I assume latent semantic indexing with jekyll is going to be a lot faster on hard float :)
[14:45] <pepijndevos> so what is the deal with java?
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[14:57] <pepijndevos> so in raspi-config, is the overclocking new-style waranty-preserving overclocking, or regular overclocking?
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[14:57] <pepijndevos> it mentions overvolt, which scares me a little
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> warranty preserving.
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> although it won't reset the overvolted bit on an already overvolted Pi, it won't set it on ones that have never been overvolted.
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> I've been using it for a couple of days now - if you want a config.txt, then see http://unicorn.drogon.net/confgig.txt
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/config.txt
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> the bottom section is the turbo/overclock bit.
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> although you may want to start with arm_freq=1000 rather than 1100 - I have 2 Pi's that are ok up to 1100 but one that just goes to 10.
[15:00] <pepijndevos> gordonDrogon: so as long as you don't set force_turbo, you're good?
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> even if you do, it won't up the voltage unless you have an explicit volts setting in there.
[15:01] <pepijndevos> should I just try the highest and see if it works, or build up slowly?
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> it's a bit backwards - essentially what they're saying is that the default mode now is 'turbo' but if you enable turbo_mode=1 then you have manual control.
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> in-theory if you push shift while booting, it is supposed to ignore the settings, but that didn't work for me, so I'd start high and work down - and just take the hit of putting the SD card into another PC/Laptop to re-edit config.txt every time.
[15:02] <pepijndevos> gordonDrogon: huh, so I'm already turbo? but not 1Ghz right?
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> or just put in 1000 and see what happens...
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> your in turbo, but the max/min are set to the defaults. To up the max, set arm_freq, etc.
[15:03] <pepijndevos> gordonDrogon: will it get hot if I do that? Mine is in a more or less closed case atm
[15:03] <pepijndevos> barely gets warm though
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> it barely gets warm.
[15:04] <pepijndevos> cool
[15:04] <trevorman> pepijndevos: don't set force_turbo, current_limit_override or temp_limit if you overvolt
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> part of the turbo thing checks the temp anyway - if it gets over 85C then it slows it down.
[15:05] <pepijndevos> trevorman: if I use raspi-config, I'm safe, right?
[15:05] <trevorman> they're the 3 settings which in combination with overvolting will set the warranty void bit
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> and now I need to go out to the local farm shops...
[15:05] <trevorman> pepijndevos: you should be
[15:05] <trevorman> you should check config.txt if you're unsure
[15:06] <pepijndevos> trevorman: can I access that while running?
[15:06] <trevorman> it'll be in /boot or /flash
[15:06] <pepijndevos> there is nothing in mnt or media
[15:06] <pepijndevos> ok
[15:07] <pepijndevos> boot
[15:09] <pepijndevos> arm_freq=1000
[15:09] <pepijndevos> # for more options see http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[15:09] <pepijndevos> core_freq=500
[15:09] <pepijndevos> sdram_freq=500
[15:09] <pepijndevos> over_voltage=6
[15:09] <pepijndevos> yay
[15:09] <pepijndevos> hope it still boots
[15:11] <dreamreal> what's the best way to hook up external devices to the pi? Like, electronics stuff, not usb
[15:11] <dreamreal> I've heard of the gertboard, and the cobbler from adafruit
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[15:15] <jra___> depends on what you want to connect
[15:15] <plugwash> it depends on what you are trying to hookup and what your level of electronics experiance is
[15:15] <jra___> if you want to power high power stuff or 25 leds
[15:16] <dreamreal> jra___: nah, mostly hooking in four leds, photoresistors
[15:16] <dreamreal> pretty mild stuff
[15:16] <dreamreal> I'd just prefer to go offboard
[15:16] <jra___> I got http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/starter-kit-for-raspberry-pi-p-1070.html
[15:16] <jra___> or the B kit maybe
[15:17] <jra___> to control leds with i2c
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[15:22] <dreamreal> the C looks good
[15:22] <RichiH> are the mpeg license orders processed on the weekend?
[15:23] <RichiH> also, xbmc in uninstallable on current raspbian
[15:23] <dreamreal> incidentally, fedora 17 is usable on the pi, fedora 14 is... not
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[15:43] <gordonDrogon> I've got a couple of the skpang kits. good value I reckon.
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> photoresistors will pose an intersting challenge - no analog input on the Pi...
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[15:44] <gordonDrogon> there is a way though, but it's somewhat creative :)
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[15:46] <drivelights> there are some pretty good tutorials on doing that in the basic stamp training manuals from the parallax website.
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[15:47] <Nik05> hey guys
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> afternoon...
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[15:48] <Nik05> i downloaded the raspbian from raspberrypi.org
[15:48] <Nik05> but that one has LXDE and other graphical packages
[15:48] <Nik05> how can i remove those before i put it on my SD card?
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[15:49] <gordonDrogon> easier to do it afterwards.
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[15:49] <gordonDrogon> get the basic system going (it doesn't start X by default) and then remove them.
[15:49] <pepijndevos> Nik05: there is a server image somewhere, havn't tested it
[15:50] <Nik05> ok
[15:51] <pepijndevos> when testing the turbo mode, is it enough to just stress the CPU, or do I need to stress memory and GPU as well? Hard to run Quake on a headless pi
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[15:51] <pepijndevos> or can I x-forward it? :D
[15:51] <chris_99> apparently theres a way to forward with hardware acceleration, i heard
[15:51] <Iota> WOOOOO!~ I'm back on my desktop!!!!! It's been sat in the corner doing nothing for: 14:37:46 up 77 days, 1:00, 1 user, load average: 1.07, 0.92, 0.60
[15:51] <Iota> https://www.dropbox.com/s/t93hcpx7xfgd4vu/2012-09-22%2014.42.52.jpg
[15:52] <jui-feng> I tested turbo by watching apt-get update. unpacking "Packages" took ~49s before, and ~38s after enabling "turbo"
[15:52] <Nik05> Pepijn do you mean this one http://raspbian.org/HexxehImages ?
[15:53] <jui-feng> well, actually downloading AND unpacking "Packages" and any other files it downloads...
[15:53] <Nik05> oh wait not that one...
[15:53] <Nik05> it has LXDE too
[15:54] <pepijndevos> Nik05: no, it was from some random blog
[15:54] <Nik05> oh ok
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> pepijndevos, get a copy of the linux kernel and compile it.
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> Iota, let me know when you get to... 14:57:23 up 1425 days, 17:02, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> ;-)
[15:58] <kim-jong> i read the 3.5mm audio is improved again w/ the new firmware
[15:58] <kim-jong> are the annoying cracks gone ?
[15:58] <Nik05> this one pepijndevos http://www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/ ?
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[15:58] <Iota> xD gordonDrogon, nice.
[15:58] <pepijndevos> seem familiar
[15:58] <HolyScott> I prob have a very simple problem, I lost my color command prompt sshing to a command prompt from the default raspian green colors
[15:58] <Nik05> ok
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[15:59] <pepijndevos> CPU scaling, temp raising :)
[15:59] <pepijndevos> okok, like
[16:01] <pepijndevos> Is this a yes-or-no thing, or could it crash on me after 10 minutes?
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[16:04] <HolyScott> could someone give me the results of echo $PS1
[16:04] <pepijndevos> ok, steady at 57??
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> pepijndevos, My tests was to compile a program that had about 40 .c files in it in a loop for about 20 minute - make ; make clean ; repeat ...
[16:04] <HolyScott> on a raspberry bash command prompt
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> HolyScott, tcsh user here...
[16:04] <pepijndevos> HolyScott: ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\] \[\033[01;34m\]\w \$\[\033[00m\]
[16:05] <piney0> ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$
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[16:05] <[SLB]> HolyScott, check /etc/skel/.bashrc
[16:05] <pepijndevos> gordonDrogon: I have lsi on my jekyll blog, which is pretty intensive for the cpu.
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[16:06] <pepijndevos> How do I set LC_ALL system wide?
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[16:07] <Nik05> antoher question, the raspbian image is 2GB but my SD card is 16GB
[16:07] <Nik05> should i extended the partition on the image
[16:07] <pepijndevos> Nik05: raspi-config can do it for you once you boot
[16:07] <Nik05> ah ok
[16:07] <pepijndevos> but I did it with gparted myself.
[16:08] <Nik05> so now i just do cat raspbian.img > /dev/sdX ?
[16:08] <[SLB]> use dd
[16:08] <piney0> Nik05, use dd
[16:09] <Nik05> and what blocksize?
[16:09] <[SLB]> 1M but not that relevant anyway
[16:10] <Nik05> ok thanks
[16:10] <pepijndevos> where can I export variables so that they are set for non-interactive shells too?
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[16:14] <gordonDrogon> shell variables are inherited from the environment of the parent process.
[16:14] <gordonDrogon> so anything you export is avalable to program you launch from that shell.
[16:14] <Nik05> pepijndevos export foo=bar ?
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[16:14] <pepijndevos> my locale is still messed up, so I need to set it somewhere.
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[16:19] <pepijndevos> is there a way to see the voltage on the cpu?
[16:19] <pepijndevos> and other things modified by overclocking
[16:19] * pepijndevos just went over 60??
[16:21] <jui-feng> there is /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_volts .. not sure if that's the cpu voltage
[16:22] <pepijndevos> seems about right
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[16:22] <jui-feng> 1.2V for me
[16:22] <nOStahl> hi
[16:23] <nOStahl> hows it all going with the raspberry pi's
[16:23] <Nik05> im just putting eth in and power :D
[16:24] <Nik05> but little unsure
[16:24] <Nik05> on what surface can i put it and turn it on?
[16:25] <pepijndevos> Nik05: I'd suggest something that is notconductive or static
[16:25] <[SLB]> i have mine in a case but any non conductive surface should be ok
[16:25] <Nik05> ;p
[16:26] <[SLB]> eheh
[16:26] <Nik05> what is non static?
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> carpet, table, cat, .... all work OK.
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> part of the testing was to check that it would handle a domestic situation - the 'cat test' IIRC ...
[16:26] <Nik05> lol
[16:27] <HolyScott> {debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\] \[\033[01;34m\]\w \$\[\033[00m\]
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> I have abused mine on the carpet many times - so-far so good...
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[16:27] <Nik05> ok :)
[16:28] <pepijndevos> anti static bags are apparently conductive, FYI
[16:28] <pepijndevos> also, vcgencmd is the s??? is cool
[16:28] <nOStahl> what are you guys using your raspberry pi's for
[16:29] <pepijndevos> web server
[16:29] <pepijndevos> http://pepijndevos.dyndns.org
[16:29] <Nik05> ssh, screen, irssi :P
[16:29] <pepijndevos> (currently served by my mac, because of the cpu testing :D)
[16:29] <Nik05> and mail
[16:29] <pepijndevos> Nik05: how do you do mail?
[16:30] <Nik05> mailserver, postfix i think
[16:30] <pepijndevos> I have ZNC on dotcloud for IRC :)
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> pepijndevos, anti-static bags are supposed to be conductive - to conduct the static away, however they are usually a very high resistance.
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[16:30] <pepijndevos> gordonDrogon: still. not recommended raspi-running material, I heard.
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[16:32] <nOStahl> i was looking at the raspberry pi for running digital displays
[16:33] <nOStahl> but i might go with one of the little android devices
[16:33] <pepijndevos> nOStahl: like so? http://xkcd.com/350/
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[16:34] <Nik05> lol
[16:35] <Nik05> http://xkcd.com/910/ im i allowed to change raspbian hostname? :P
[16:36] <Nik05> i miss that screen
[16:36] <pepijndevos> maybe into an emoji? saw a sily post about that the other day
[16:38] <Nik05> is there some packages that i can reconfigure with dpkg to get the configuration you normally get when installing debian in expert mode?
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[16:43] <gordonDrogon> Nik05, edit /etc/hostname
[16:43] <gordonDrogon> Nik05, and check /etc/hosts too.
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> Nik05, I install ye olde fashioned deselect to fine-tune stuff - never did get on with aptitude...
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[16:46] <pepijndevos> does eth0 take a lot of power on the raspi? With the CPU 100% like this everything is fine, but a while back I managed to crash it with ab.
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[16:52] <Vostok> why do i get 403 permission denied when trying to browse my public_html?
[16:52] <Vostok> i already did chmod a+rx public_html
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[16:55] <pepijndevos> are there swap files on the raspbian? I don't see a partition, but free report some swap
[16:55] <[SLB]> /var/swap
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[17:01] <steve_rox> what is Xbian in the pi world?
[17:01] <Hexxeh> you can set the arm clock higher whilst using the dynamic frequency stuff and not blow a warranty bit, right?
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[17:02] <[SLB]> right Hexxeh
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[17:02] <Nik05> back
[17:02] <datagutt> So i just ordered my rpi.. about time
[17:03] <datagutt> RaspberrPiBot will probably run on it once it arrives
[17:03] <Nik05> gordonDrogon: yeah i know hostname and hostname.sh
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[17:03] <Nik05> but isnt there a dpkg-reconfigure one?
[17:03] <japro> hmpf, i seem to read all the wrong docs when it comes to the graphics pipeline of the rpi
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[17:03] * PiBot sets mode +v rvalles
[17:04] <japro> is there somewhat more detailed info? so according to the website there are "48 cores" are those unified shaders cores? or is there a split of vertex/fragment shaders etc.?
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[17:07] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt
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[17:10] * XeCrypt is now known as Tuxuser
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[17:13] <Nik05> ok Raspi is turned on :)
[17:13] <Iota> Nice.
[17:13] <Nik05> now i need to figure out which ip it got...
[17:15] <Nik05> :)
[17:15] <Nik05> lets connect w00t
[17:17] <Nik05> ok lets change passwords
[17:17] <nOStahl> are you excited? :P
[17:17] <pepijndevos> oh, now I have your ip, so I can hack you :P
[17:17] <Nik05> oh noes you got my ip :P
[17:18] <pepijndevos> your raspi is slow??? it doesn't respond
[17:18] <Nik05> hehe
[17:18] <Nik05> first i needs a static ip :)
[17:18] <Nik05>
[17:18] <Nik05> :P
[17:19] <Nik05> is for private use?
[17:19] <japro> pretty much anything with 192.168... is just inside a private network
[17:19] <[SLB]> .0 and .255 are reserved
[17:19] <pepijndevos> 182.618.0.339
[17:19] <pepijndevos> *192
[17:20] <[SLB]> *168
[17:20] <[SLB]> :3
[17:20] <Nik05> ;p
[17:20] <pepijndevos> no, I want 618
[17:20] <japro> when i call that number some spanish speaking guy picks up :(
[17:20] <pepijndevos> golden ratio
[17:21] <Nik05> oh raspbian has en_GB.UTF-8 as standard locale
[17:21] <Nik05> is en_US better to use?
[17:21] <japro> i was wondering earlier, can i change the keyboard layout without changing the locale?
[17:22] <Nik05> yes
[17:22] <japro> i have a swiss german keyboard but still want my stuff in english
[17:22] <Nik05> i have us international i think
[17:22] <Nik05> right pepijndevos ?
[17:25] <Nik05> how much memory should i reserver for videocore?
[17:25] <[SLB]> depends
[17:25] <Nik05> 16MiB is minimum?
[17:25] <[SLB]> yes
[17:25] <Nik05> ok
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[17:25] <japro> i earlier found out that using 32 or less won't let me run oglES stuff
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[17:25] <japro> at least not the samples in the hello_pi directory
[17:26] <Nik05> i will try 16MiB first
[17:26] <Nik05> what is overscan?
[17:27] <Nik05> disable it? :P
[17:28] <[SLB]> it's to fix the black borders that may show on your tv, or if the screen takes more room than available on it
[17:29] <Nik05> oh i dont have a screen attached to it
[17:29] <[SLB]> nvm then
[17:29] <Nik05> so i can just disable overscan?
[17:29] <[SLB]> it's fine to ignore it
[17:29] <Nik05> but now i need to choose between disable or enable :P
[17:29] <Nik05> cause disable will work :P
[17:30] <[SLB]> both will work eheh
[17:30] <Nik05> cause :S guess...
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[17:31] * axion wonders why bogomips is always equal to arm_freq_min in latest firmware, despite ondemand cpu reclocking
[17:31] <[SLB]> because it's calculated at boot time
[17:31] <axion> wasnt always this way
[17:31] <[SLB]> hm it was
[17:31] <axion> no, last week bogomips was whatever my clock is set to
[17:32] <[SLB]> yes because there was no dynamic scaling
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[17:32] <axion> now it is always the minimum bogomips, despite the clock changing
[17:32] <[SLB]> but now even if it scales you won't see it there
[17:32] <[SLB]> because it's calculated at boot time
[17:32] <[SLB]> you want to see the actual freq?
[17:32] <[SLB]> vcgencmd measure_clock arm
[17:32] <axion> i know the actual freq
[17:33] <[SLB]> ah ok
[17:33] <axion> i was looking for atual bogomips
[17:33] <[SLB]> you won't see it there
[17:33] <[SLB]> unless you force_turbo
[17:33] <[SLB]> namely disable the dynamic scaling
[17:33] <axion> ok
[17:34] <axion> how do i enable the dynamic overvoltage that wont void waranty?
[17:35] <[SLB]> don't set force_turbo and i think you can go up to 6 in dynamic scaling
[17:35] <[SLB]> via raspi-config is safe
[17:35] <axion> i dont use debian
[17:35] <axion> arch linux
[17:35] <axion> and i havent set force turbo, but overvoltage stays at 6 it seems
[17:36] <[SLB]> as long as dynamic scaling is active, and overvolt is up to 6 you should be fine
[17:36] <axion> according to measure_volts
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[17:36] <[SLB]> which is how many volts
[17:37] <axion> 1.35
[17:37] <[SLB]> so it's overvolted already
[17:37] <[SLB]> hm
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[17:37] <[SLB]> mine goes down to 1.20
[17:37] * PiBot sets mode +v freeAgent
[17:37] <[SLB]> i didn't do anything in particular
[17:37] <[SLB]> what does your warranty bit say?
[17:39] <axion> i know its set
[17:39] <axion> but i havent checked
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[17:40] <[SLB]> maybe i'm missing some part but i think you're already good to go
[17:41] <axion> ok thanks
[17:41] <[SLB]> :) yw
[17:42] <[SLB]> my settings are simply arm_freq=900; arm_freq_min=500; core_freq=333; sdram_freq=450; over_voltage=2 and have the governor script enabled at boot
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[17:43] <axion> whats a stable freq for 6 over-voltage...been using 1000 for a month without issues
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[17:45] <[SLB]> these are the available options from raspi-config
[17:45] <[SLB]> http://imageshack.us/a/img820/4303/screenshotat20120922174.png
[17:45] <[SLB]> of course you can mix and match as you please
[17:46] <axion> ah ive been using turbo....without sdram...setting it seems t have random crashes
[17:47] <[SLB]> "over_voltage" is limited to 6 (1.35V)
[17:47] <[SLB]> yes
[17:47] <axion> yes
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[17:48] <axion> been using arm 1000, core 500, h264 500...got over a week uptime with about 20 1080p movies played
[17:49] <[SLB]> nice eheh
[17:49] <axion> setting ram or the 3d block and things go bad
[17:49] <axion> but i dont need 3d or ram speed anyway
[17:49] <[SLB]> haven't crashed here, but i haven't stressed it either
[17:50] <[SLB]> also i have a samsung ram
[17:50] <axion> im not sure which i have
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[17:50] <[SLB]> it's printed on top of it
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[17:51] <[SLB]> my farnell arrived with samsung, rs with hynix
[17:51] <axion> samsung it seems
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[17:54] <Fleck> [SLB] what window manager is in that screenshot?
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[17:56] <kim-jong> do you folks know if the firmware upgrade w/turbo fixed the cracking sound in 3.5mm ?
[17:56] <kim-jong> audio update was mentioned
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[17:58] <Fleck> AC`97 got my msg about artifacts?
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[17:59] <axion> only one way to find out
[18:00] <[SLB]> Fleck, gnome-shell
[18:00] <Fleck> [SLB] and speed? ok? compared to LXDE ?
[18:01] <[SLB]> it's on my fedora desktop, nop lxde is faster
[18:01] <Fleck> ohh ;p
[18:01] <[SLB]> eheh
[18:01] <Fleck> ssh? :D
[18:01] <[SLB]> yes :3
[18:01] <Fleck> stpd me :( :D
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[18:02] <AR_> ok
[18:06] <Vostok> almost everything is working on my raspi \o/
[18:06] <Vostok> next up is getting the easycap to work.
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[18:11] <[SySteM]> Hello
[18:11] <[SySteM]> Is there a ninja of raspberrypi to help me why i got "3 flashes: loader.bin not found"
[18:14] <AR_> means ur gay
[18:14] <[SySteM]> maybe :)
[18:14] * [SkG] (~sconde@unaffiliated/skg/x-897332) Quit (Quit: Saliendo)
[18:14] <[SySteM]> Show me you are a man ;)
[18:15] <censor> hi guys, i have the issue that whenever there's a couple of lines of output over ssh (e.g. dmesg), the connection freezes.
[18:15] <censor> i can open another connection just fine, but only as long as there's not too much output - even a simple ps fax can kill it
[18:16] <censor> this happens on a wired connection, btw
[18:16] <huene> are you connecting via vpn?
[18:16] <japro> argh, when i add the include path with "-I...." to the compiler it works
[18:16] <censor> nope, direct lan
[18:16] <japro> but putting them into CPATH doesnt
[18:16] <[SySteM]> No really if anyone can help me. I try lots of things, impossible to boot.
[18:16] <huene> ok. on openvpn i had this recently, but on lan no idea what could cause it
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[18:17] <[SLB]> [SySteM], try to copy the boot files manually into the boot partition
[18:17] <[SLB]> if you have a backup, or from here https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-firmware
[18:18] <[SySteM]> I try 3 differents distributions ("Raspbian", "OpenELEC-RPi", "Raspbmc") and Install of distribution from linux and from windows (different pc / different card reader/writer)
[18:18] <[SLB]> maybe the sd card is not that good?
[18:18] <[SySteM]> i try 3 differents sdcards (differents marks and capacities "NONAME 2GO", "FUJIFILM 2G", "MAXELL 16G")
[18:18] <[SySteM]> and 3 differents current adaptator (from galaxy S3, from USB cable, form TouchPad tablet), and check the 5V.
[18:19] * Netham45 (~net.000@about/windows/regular/netham45) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)
[18:19] <[SySteM]> i dont have others ideas..
[18:19] <japro> is the image download ok? checksum etc?
[18:19] <[SySteM]> yes fully
[18:19] <[SLB]> how do you write it
[18:19] <[SySteM]> on linux, by a dd
[18:19] <[SLB]> of=?
[18:20] <[SySteM]> for openelec and raspbmc, its a install script but i think its a dd too
[18:20] <[SLB]> what the of parameter of your dd command?
[18:21] <[SySteM]> dd bs=1M if=debian6-19-04-2012.img of=/dev/sdd
[18:21] <[SLB]> looks right hm
[18:21] <[SySteM]> and i can see the two partitions on my ubuntu
[18:21] <jui-feng> [SySteM], what's md5sum loader.bin"
[18:21] <jui-feng> sorry, "md5sum loader.bin" output?
[18:21] <[SLB]> and you see all the files in /boot?
[18:21] <[SySteM]> yes [SLB]
[18:22] <[SySteM]> hmm one minute i retest raspbian
[18:22] <[SLB]> i think i have 13 files in there
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[18:30] <[SySteM]> re [SLB] and jui-feng
[18:30] <[SySteM]> df5fa8bf83c5e7e7c2757c5f87c3de68 loader.bin
[18:30] <japro> i cant get CPATH or LIBRARY_PATH to work gcc/g++ seem to ignore it
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[18:31] <[SySteM]> and 13 files
[18:31] <jui-feng> that loader.bin is fine, then
[18:31] <[SLB]> correct
[18:31] <[SySteM]> in my /dev/sdd1
[18:31] <[SySteM]> /dev/sdd1 56M 36M 21M 63% /media/9DCF-4197
[18:31] <[SySteM]> /dev/sdd2 1,8G 1,2G 447M 74% /media/f10ba0bd-17e0-4800-b0af-19bb2ed45acd
[18:31] <[SLB]> that looks right too
[18:31] <[SLB]> hm
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[18:32] <[SySteM]> I'm try lots of things since yesterday... but nothing working.
[18:32] <martk100> I can not get the latest raspbian wheezy to burn correctly. Partition 2 has no valid file system .
[18:33] <[SLB]> [SySteM], try to unmount the partitions from ubuntu and run fsck -fC on them
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[18:34] <zalun> I'm a newbie - dd'ing the system to the SD cart now . is there SSH server started by default? /me is wondering if I can connect to it without using any keyboard/mouse/screen
[18:35] <[SySteM]> [SLB], /dev/sdd2?: 64777/114688 fichiers (0.1% non contig?s), 321030/458240 blocs
[18:35] <[SySteM]> /dev/sdd1: 13 files, 4484/7161 clusters
[18:36] <[SLB]> zalun, depends on the distro, supposedly to have ssh enabled by default, just have to worry about the dynamic ip
[18:36] <[SLB]> [SySteM], that corrected errors then?
[18:36] <zalun> ip is fine - I can run discovery on the network
[18:36] <[SLB]> and can't ssh?
[18:37] <zalun> I haven't connected it yet - I'm transferring wheezy to the SD now
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[18:37] <[SLB]> oks
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[18:37] <[SySteM]> same result [SLB]
[18:37] <tripgod> I wouldn't think sshd is started by default
[18:38] <[SLB]> not sure [SySteM] that's very weird, maybe had bad luck with the pi itself..
[18:38] <zalun> shame, I'll need to connect all the stuff now then
[18:38] <[SLB]> zalun, http://www.slblabs.com/2012/08/16/rpi-ssh-ip/
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[18:38] <jui-feng> tripgod, according to pepijndevos, SSHd is enabled by default on his fresh install
[18:38] <tripgod> jui-feng, cool. good to know. Fresh install of what?
[18:39] <jui-feng> IIRC raspbian
[18:39] <martk100> I have benn able to ssh into every distro I have tried. Squezze Wheezy, raspbmc etc
[18:39] <[SySteM]> [SLB], i dont find lots of person which have hardware problem ?
[18:39] <zalun> [SLB]: cool - thx
[18:39] <[SLB]> i don't either but all you're doing with the sd is correct, so i wonder :\
[18:39] <[SLB]> yw zalun
[18:40] <[SySteM]> Anyone return product to Farnell ?
[18:40] <martk100> SySteM: Are you having the same problem as I am having. Unable to get partition 2 to burn correctly on the latest praspbian wheezy?
[18:41] <[SySteM]> Dont have problem to burn correctly partition 2
[18:41] <[SySteM]> sorry
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[18:44] <pepijndevos> huh, my interface only had auto lo
[18:45] <pepijndevos> why is there no eth0 in there?
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[18:45] <Nik05> pepijn do you know what keymap i should choose?
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[18:46] <Nik05> pc / qwerty / US american / Standard / Us International?
[18:46] <blahee> pepijndevos: NetworkManager propbably takes care of the eth0?
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[18:46] <Nik05> or pc / qwerty / dutch?
[18:46] <pepijndevos> Nik05: keymap? I always do just us international
[18:46] <Nik05> ok
[18:46] <Nik05> yeah dutch isnt used anymore i think, right?
[18:46] <pepijndevos> I wouldn't even know what it measn to have a dutch keyboard
[18:47] <Nik05> ;p
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[18:47] <pepijndevos> oh, there is one that has a euro sign onder alt-2
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[18:47] <Nik05> i have the euro sign at 5
[18:47] <blahee> euro is at atlgr-e
[18:47] <pepijndevos> that is my infinity ???
[18:48] <Nik05> my euro is in the lower-right corner of the 5 key :S
[18:48] <Nik05> but well never using it
[18:48] <Nik05> EUR is alot easier
[18:48] <blahee> ???
[18:49] <chithead> us-intl layout will give you deadkeys and turn right alt into altgr
[18:49] <pepijndevos> what are deadkeys anyway?
[18:49] <pepijndevos> This is confusing: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually
[18:49] <Nik05> ??
[18:50] <Nik05> my euro sign doesnt work :P
[18:50] <chithead> they are used to combine characters. e.g. ~ + y = ???
[18:50] <Nik05> pc / qwerty / US american / Standard / US International (ISO 8859-1) pc / qwerty / US american / Standard / US International (ISO 8859-15) ??? pc / qwerty / US american / Standard / With latin1
[18:50] <pepijndevos> so do i need to use gateway and the other optional ones?
[18:50] <Nik05> ho
[18:50] <Nik05> which should i choose? :P
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[18:50] <Nik05> ISO 8859-1 or -15 or latin1?
[18:51] <pepijndevos> no utf8?
[18:51] <pepijndevos> :P
[18:51] <pepijndevos> latin1 of course
[18:51] <des2> gateway should be the address of your router.
[18:51] * pepijndevos doesn;t know what he is saying
[18:51] <blahee> Nik05: -15 does have this EUR (???)
[18:52] <Nik05> what is latin1?
[18:52] <blahee> Nik05: 8859-1 is latin1 AFAIK
[18:52] <Nik05> oh pepijndevos 8859-1 is latin1
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[18:52] <pepijndevos> des2: sure? ok??? I don't want to lose internet, because I have no other way of connecting to it.
[18:53] <Nik05> i will use 8859-1
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[18:53] <axion> utf-8!
[18:53] <Nik05> yeah yeah but not for keyboard...
[18:53] <axion> it includes all of 8859-1 plus more
[18:54] <axion> as 8859-1 includes all of ascii plus more
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[18:54] <des2> What do you mean by 'no other way of connecting to it' ?
[18:54] <Nik05> who?
[18:54] <zalun> should rPi display something on HDMI after plugging in?
[18:55] <des2> And what are you specifically trying to do, set a static IP ?
[18:55] <Nik05> yes
[18:55] <pepijndevos> des2: no screen that has hdmi or that round plug
[18:55] <pepijndevos> des2: yes, static ip
[18:55] <zalun> I've got only PWR and OK lights on
[18:56] <pepijndevos> rebooting. if it doesn't come up, I'll have to take the sd card out and modify it
[18:56] <Nik05> maybe he doesnt have a SD card in :P
[18:56] <[SLB]> zalun, try putting this in /boo/config.txt: hdmi_drive=2
[18:56] <pepijndevos> phew, still there
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[18:57] <zalun> [SLB]: I was thinking it has some sort of BIOS to make it worj without SD
[18:57] <des2> I think this page explains it clearer: http://www.penguintutor.com/blog/viewblog.php?blog=6306
[18:57] <zalun> work*
[18:57] <[SLB]> nop
[18:57] <Nik05> just change /etc/network/interfaces
[18:58] <zalun> the router's ethernet lights are off as well - I guess it's not really booting
[18:59] <[SLB]> without or with sd?
[19:01] <Nik05> w00t i have an installation with only 70packages :)
[19:01] <zalun> [SLB]: with SD
[19:01] <[SLB]> oh :\
[19:01] <thrawed> Nik05: how do you count them?
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[19:01] <[SLB]> aptitude showed me the number
[19:02] <[SLB]> not 70 though :3
[19:02] <[SLB]> 783
[19:02] <zalun> I'll try to boot another machine from that SD
[19:03] <thrawed> [SLB]: I have 505 then
[19:03] <[SLB]> eheh
[19:03] <zalun> maybe there is not enough power, as only the mouse light is on, keyboard lights are off
[19:03] <[SLB]> try to boot it without anything connected, see if at least the eth lights are on
[19:03] <[SLB]> what's your psu?
[19:04] <zalun> 5V DC 500MA
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[19:04] <[SLB]> 500 is a bit low, at least 700 by specs
[19:04] <[SLB]> you can try using a pc usb, mine works from there too
[19:04] <HolyScott> 700 enough for power or should I get a 1 amp?
[19:04] <[SLB]> better 1 or 2
[19:04] <des2> 1
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[19:05] <thrawed> HolyScott: the main polyfuse is 700mA
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[19:06] <zalun> I've got now one with 1A
[19:06] <Nik05> i have 5V, 1A
[19:06] <Nik05> and another one 5V, 700mA
[19:06] <zalun> nothing connected except of the ethernet cable (no SD, nothing) no lights on the router - checking another cable
[19:07] <[SLB]> sd must be there
[19:07] <HolyScott> I am very proud of mysef I just spent 2 hours to figure out myself how to get bfgminer to compile myself on a raspberry pi for bitcoin mining
[19:07] <thrawed> HolyScott: and then you realise it's so utterly useless
[19:07] <Nik05> bitcoin...
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[19:07] <[SySteM]> raspberry can boot by usb if no sd card ?
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[19:07] <Nik05> no [SySteM]
[19:07] <[SLB]> no
[19:07] <Nik05> you need SD
[19:07] <[SySteM]> thx
[19:07] <thrawed> [SySteM]: /boot needs to be on the sd
[19:07] <zalun> OK
[19:08] <HolyScott> to control a bfl single
[19:08] <zalun> OK - connecting SD
[19:08] <[SLB]> / can be on usb though
[19:08] <[SySteM]> ok ok
[19:08] <zalun> I've got no idea if it is able to boot on this SD
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[19:08] <[SLB]> if it boots, pi's ethernet leds turns on
[19:08] <zalun> is there anything which should work without the system (except of PWR and OK lights)?
[19:09] <[SLB]> what does the ok led do?
[19:09] <zalun> it emits green light barely visible
[19:09] <thrawed> [SLB]: they changed the label on the new ones
[19:09] <[SLB]> randomly?
[19:09] <[SLB]> yup saw it eheh
[19:09] <HolyScott> low light = bad sdcard or not enough power
[19:09] <zalun> OK - cool
[19:10] <thrawed> [SLB]: no, it wasn't ok, it was act
[19:10] <[SLB]> ok is the old label
[19:10] <thrawed> yes
[19:10] <blahee> i am running my both raspis from another machine USB-port and at 900MHz. The external HD is powered thru another USB-port
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[19:11] <Nik05> damn i hate the aptitude ncurse thing
[19:11] <zalun> trying to boot a laptop then
[19:11] <HolyScott> are most people keeping pi's overclocked after playing with how high they can get stable, or running back at default settings?
[19:12] <[SySteM]> [SLB], u know i got 3 flashs .. u tell me possible hardware problem. I try with raspbian, openelec, raspbmc.. I just try with archlinux, i dont have 3 flash green.. only the red power on, but nothing on hdmi
[19:12] <[SLB]> hm but that's still weird, you have ethernet cable connected?
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[19:13] <[SLB]> HolyScott, there's dynamic scaling now, i now leave it overclocked, it overclocks only on demand
[19:13] <trevorman> [SySteM]: the green LED flashing an error code is only for recent version of the bootloader
[19:14] <[SLB]> even if i don't really need it eheh
[19:14] <trevorman> [SySteM]: so no flashing = old bootloader or it can't find the bootloader at all
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[19:15] <[SLB]> you could try raspbian image from august
[19:15] <[SLB]> people seem having issues with the new one? i don't know
[19:15] <[SLB]> but you tried many already
[19:16] <[SySteM]> :/
[19:16] <Nik05> im using this one http://www.linuxsystems.it/2012/06/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/
[19:16] <Nik05> only 109MB
[19:17] <trevorman> Nik05: that is pretty old
[19:17] <Nik05> can update :p
[19:17] <thrawed> pisces ftw
[19:17] <Nik05> apt-get dist-upgrade :)
[19:18] <Nik05> thrawed what else should i do?
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[19:18] <Nik05> i dont want the rasbian one that has stuff i dont want
[19:18] <trevorman> Nik05: you need to update the bootloader files and kernel as well
[19:18] <Nik05> how? :P
[19:18] <thrawed> rpi-update
[19:18] <trevorman> update manually or use rpi-update
[19:19] <Nik05> yeah ok
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[19:19] <zalun> heck - my SD card reader is "a bit broken"
[19:20] <steve_rox> my sd card is a bit smashed
[19:20] <steve_rox> somehow
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[19:21] <trevorman> steve_rox: you knocked it whilst it was inserted in the rpi
[19:21] <thrawed> steve_rox: how did you manage that? they're really durable
[19:21] <steve_rox> i dunno theres a bit at the top right thats smashed
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[19:21] <trevorman> steve_rox: if you're lucky then its just the SD card. if you're unlucky like somebody else in here then you need to replace the socket.
[19:21] <steve_rox> the pi can still read it but eeepc's cant
[19:22] <[SLB]> he's that someone else i guess
[19:22] <steve_rox> oh i smashed my pi card reader too
[19:22] <trevorman> assuming you've got all the bits then glue it
[19:22] <trevorman> [SLB]: yeah :x
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[19:22] <steve_rox> i had to do some creative superglue job
[19:22] <[SLB]> ehe
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[19:22] <zalun> my USB SD card reader is borken
[19:22] <steve_rox> maybe ill provide a pic at some point
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[19:22] <trevorman> I split a SD card by knocking it whilst it was inserted in the RPi. I just super glued it and all is well
[19:22] <Dyme21> Hey guys
[19:22] <[SLB]> is that why it wasn't booting zalun?
[19:23] <[SkG]> hi
[19:23] <steve_rox> i was able to save the plasic fragment and stick it back on
[19:23] <trevorman> the two halves of the SD card casing was coming apart
[19:23] <[SLB]> hi
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[19:23] <[SkG]> I tried OpenELEC and Raspbmc... Raspbmc lags when playing and I open the menu
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[19:23] <thrawed> [SkG]: try xbian
[19:24] <[SkG]> OpenELEC seems works better BUT for any reason cant mount my external hard drive
[19:24] <trevorman> thrawed: xbian is semi dead at the moment pending the author deciding whether he is or isn't giving up
[19:24] <zalun> I hope so, my laptop is not booting from it either... but the situation is slightly more complicated, as Vaio is not well supported on Linux, so my SD card is unreadable under Linux, I've connected it to the OSX via USB card reader, but now it's invisible - no idea if I've broken the SD Card or the reader (it had this behavior before)
[19:24] <thrawed> trevorman: oh?
[19:25] <[SLB]> zalun, the laptop wouldn't boot from it because the image in the sd is compiled for arm processor
[19:25] <trevorman> thrawed: raspbmc complained that xbian uses their GPLed installer without providing source
[19:25] <thrawed> zalun: some laptops don't boot from sd for some reason, I know mine doesn't :(
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[19:25] <trevorman> the xbian host took down the site and the xbian author said he's giving up but then said he's not *shrug*
[19:25] <[SkG]> thrawed, http://xbian.org/
[19:26] <zalun> [SLB]: yes, but it eould display the Kernel Panic
[19:26] <[SLB]> okay
[19:26] <thrawed> trevorman: so why doesn't he just find a different installer?
[19:26] <Dyme21> I'm still having a hard time trying to get omxplayer to play mkv's
[19:26] <zalun> and it doesn't do anything, do i guess SD card is not bootable at all
[19:26] <trevorman> thrawed: no idea. he could continue to use the raspbmc one if he just provided source.
[19:26] <trevorman> xbian isn't very polished though. last I checked, the image included the generated SSH host keys.
[19:27] <Dyme21> I keep getting this http://pastebin.com/41QA9ypg
[19:27] <thrawed> Dyme21: why is it flirting with you?
[19:28] <trevorman> it seemed to just be a dump of a live card image. if you can do it then installing xbmc ontop of raspbian is probably a better idea at least until xbian gets fixed properly.
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[19:28] <Dyme21> thrawed: and by flirting you mean?
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[19:29] <thrawed> Dyme21: wink smiley
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> nudge nudge, say no more!
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[19:30] <Dyme21> thrawed: 0_o but it's only our first date!
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[19:30] <Dyme21> lol
[19:31] <steve_rox> think i read that xbian is terminated for voilateing the gpl or something
[19:31] <Dyme21> but seriously omxplayer has been annoying me lately...
[19:32] <vvompy> hi, I've got a question regarding arch linux: is there an automatic transition into hardfloat without using the new image?
[19:32] <cerjam> whats your problem with omxplayer
[19:32] <trevorman> steve_rox: the main author said the project was shutdown but then changed his mind. read the message of xbian.org
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[19:33] <Dyme21> cerjam: upon trying to watch a .mkv it doesn't play, only shows this http://pastebin.com/41QA9ypg
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[19:33] <trevorman> vvompy: you need a whole new build if it isn't hardfp already. you can't piecemeal upgrade it.
[19:33] <steve_rox> oh
[19:34] <steve_rox> i guess news websites go out of date fast
[19:34] <Fleck> have you tried another block sizes for linux root fs on sd card?
[19:34] <vvompy> trevorman: and there will be no future solution for that?
[19:35] <Hopsy> hii, is it worth to buy a new ram for my notebook? my laptop give black screen when its booting. The led lights burns like its normal. The last time I used my notebook I did an hibernate. I want to be ensure if this is a ram problem or motherboard.
[19:35] <trevorman> vvompy: changing from softfp to hardfp means replacing every single binary on the system
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[19:35] <cerjam> Dyme21, have you tried another video
[19:35] <[SLB]> Hopsy, if it's the ram, it won't boot at all
[19:36] <vvompy> alright..thanks for the information ;)
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[19:36] <Hopsy> [SLB]: hmm, so its the motherboard
[19:37] <Dyme21> cerjam: Not another mvk, no. The video I'm trying to play on the pi works perfectly on my PC though.
[19:37] <cerjam> is the pi your pc though =x
[19:37] <[SLB]> i'd say, if it boots, may be the screen
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[19:38] <Hopsy> [SLB]: but ctrl+alt+del is working, when I press this combination it reboots
[19:38] <Hopsy> this is so weird
[19:38] <[SLB]> so it can't be the ram neither the motherboard
[19:39] <Hopsy> I dont get it, what should it be then?
[19:39] <Hopsy> I tried vga and hdmi cable
[19:39] <[SLB]> do you have a spare vga monitor?
[19:39] <[SLB]> mh
[19:40] <Hopsy> also black screen
[19:40] <[SLB]> maybe the video card but not sure whether it'd boot at all
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[19:40] <[SLB]> you have to press the combination of keys to switch the video on vga/hdmi thou
[19:40] <Hopsy> ow, do you know which keys?
[19:41] <[SLB]> some function key on your laptop + the related other function key
[19:41] <[SLB]> not sure about your laptop
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[19:43] <Dyme21> cerjam: lol no I'm talking about my windows 7 machine
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[19:44] <cerjam> my point is just because your pc can play a file, doesnt mean the pi can
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[19:46] <Dyme21> cerjam: oh... ok
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[19:47] <trevorman> the file appears to be h.264 inside mkv and both of those in theory should be supported by omxplayer. try another one if you've got it?
[19:48] <scummos> Hopsy: can't you ssh into the device?
[19:50] <Dyme21> Will do.
[19:50] <Nik05> where can i get rpi-update?
[19:50] <[SLB]> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
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[19:51] <Nik05> its not in raspbian repo?
[19:51] <[SLB]> it wasn't, probably still isn't
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[19:56] <Hopsy> scummos: LOL, I cant boot it :p
[19:56] <Hopsy> how should I ssh it
[20:00] <treeherder> hey guys, ddo you know whether or not putting an LED + transistor on a dataline would be a bad idea or a good idea for visually debugging my bit-banging
[20:02] <trevorman> treeherder: it'd be fine but you're not going to really see very much unless you're doing it very very slowly
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[20:02] <treeherder> trevorman: yeah, but i could video it
[20:02] <treeherder> thanks for the input
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[20:04] <zalun> bugger - my card is 1.83G
[20:05] <zalun> I was so sure it's 4G I haven't even checked
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[20:06] <hlkv6> hi
[20:07] <cerjam> wow, phpmyadmin v2 is so much better than v3
[20:07] <cerjam> specailly on the pi
[20:07] <hlkv6> I am running the 2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian.zip and trying to start a graphics program getting: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
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[20:08] <hlkv6> Xorg log says "GLX: no usable GL providers found for screen 0" and stuff like "AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/dri/swrast_dri.so failed"
[20:08] <hlkv6> any fixes for that?
[20:08] <[SLB]> via ssh?
[20:08] <hlkv6> nope directly from Samsung screen/TV, USB keyboard and mouse
[20:09] <[SLB]> oh :\ not sure, sorry
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[20:11] <Fleck> ;p
[20:11] <OpenSys> updated to 3.2.27 and all things seams to work fine, but the i2c not
[20:11] <OpenSys> i get garbage in i2c lcd
[20:12] <OpenSys> sometimes is ok, sometimes not
[20:12] <OpenSys> is not cpu speed overclock
[20:13] <OpenSys> the cpu load don't matter
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[20:14] <OpenSys> popcornmix in the house ?
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[20:28] <zalun> will bPi read ext2 on SD Card? Iguess so, just checking
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[20:29] <zalun> I think it would be better to use fat32 to make it readable on other devices anyway
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[20:30] <[SLB]> fat doesn't support the filesystem permissions, i doubt it'll work
[20:31] <zalun> well, I can change it later on - more important it is to make it boot ...
[20:31] <[SLB]> ah ok
[20:31] <zalun> copying now
[20:32] <zalun> I don't need such a bigcard on it - I'll use it for GertBoard
[20:32] <zalun> I've got Boxee for media
[20:32] <[SLB]> i have a 4gb usb drive for my pi
[20:32] <zalun> I think it would be the best size
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[20:34] <blahee> zalun: you need to have part1 in SD-card vfat and right files in there. raspi is loading from part1 and vfat (not ext2 or btrfs or something). rootfs can be anything the kernel supports
[20:36] <zalun> I'm dd'ing the wheezy so it's "their" system on the rootfs, it's not booting though
[20:36] <zalun> OK led is low and no eth leds on router
[20:37] <zalun> I'll try again on one partition only
[20:37] <blahee> the green led should flash like three times when the raspi boots and loads the binaries from SD.
[20:37] <zalun> no flashes
[20:37] <blahee> then it's not even starting to load from SD IMO
[20:37] <Dyme21> Im back
[20:38] <Dyme21> so I found out that the video was the problem, but I'm still confused on how to use subtitles
[20:39] <blahee> i did actually have some problem with one of my raspo today. Didn't reboot and then didn't boot from anything -> finally if did boot from orig card and i suspect that contacts of SD weren't just properly contacted
[20:39] <zalun> using the dd command from http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Copying_an_image_to_the_SD_Card_in_Linux_.28command_line.29
[20:40] <zalun> my gparted is not recognizing the filesystem on flashed card
[20:40] <zalun> but it's "my" kernel, so it is possible
[20:41] <[SLB]> you have to dd the image to the disk node, are you doing so?
[20:41] <blahee> if you dd some raspi-image to SD, there should always be at least two paritions
[20:41] <zalun> interesting
[20:41] <zalun> will check in a sec
[20:42] <blahee> one is vfat and other likely type linux
[20:42] <zalun> [SLB]: I'm doing it to /dev/sdc1
[20:42] <[SLB]> sdc
[20:42] <zalun> indeed - just checked - doing it again
[20:42] <blahee> yeap. sdc NOT sdc1
[20:42] <Dyme21> cerjam: you still here?
[20:43] <zalun> cool - I hope it will do it - need to fly for an hour or so
[20:43] <blahee> abd after dd one should to like 'blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sdc' to make linux see the new partitiotable too. parted/fdisk reads disk directly so those are working
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[20:47] <axion> can the rpi hw decode webm?
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[20:52] <Dyme21> how do you play subtitles with omxplayer
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[20:53] <trevorman> axion: no
[20:54] <axion> damn...guess it cant replace my asus oplay
[20:57] <tripgod> why can't it decode webm?
[20:57] <axion> because vp8 is not supported yet
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[20:58] <tripgod> is vp8 supposed to replace h.264?
[20:58] <axion> oh well...thin client it is. video to more capable armv5 machine
[20:58] <axion> replace? no
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[21:13] <trevorman> axion: in theory you could get partial acceleration for VP8 but only Broadcom can do that. not sure how good that partial acceleration would be.
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[21:18] <spycrab0> hi im trying to install openjdk-6-jdk , but it doesnt work i always get this Error message: http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/n/nspr/libnspr4_4.9.1-1_armhf.deb 404 Not Found any idea?
[21:19] <axion> yeah its not found
[21:20] <spycrab0> --fix-missing also fails
[21:20] <axion> that url does not exist. if you noticed it has been updated
[21:20] <spycrab0> well i forgot to run apt-get update
[21:20] <axion> thatd do it
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[21:21] <spycrab0> Im already doin it ;)
[21:23] <spycrab0> fixed it ;) @axion thanks for your help , i knew the solution would be simple
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[21:25] <zalun> yay! rPi is working fine
[21:25] <zalun> but
[21:26] <zalun> what is the user/pass :) ?
[21:26] <tripgod> pi raspberry
[21:26] <axion> depends on the distribution. it is mentioned on the website for each one
[21:26] <tripgod> ?
[21:26] <zalun> thx
[21:26] <axion> for arch linux it is root/root
[21:27] <tripgod> for backtrack3, it's root/toor
[21:27] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm playing with my Pi.... and the temp is dropping instead of going up... that's so weird .-.
[21:27] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions has a collection of default passwords
[21:27] <axion> for my own ulibc rolled distro, you cannot login with a password, mwahaha
[21:28] <axion> uclibc
[21:28] <AR_> mine only uses iris identification
[21:28] <GabrialDestruir_> PI Iris Identification System? >.>
[21:29] <AR_> PIIIS
[21:29] <tripgod> good to know, chithead
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[21:29] <GabrialDestruir> Wait there's backtrack for Pi? >.>
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[21:34] <thrawed> GabrialDestruir: of course there is, why wouldn't there be?
[21:35] <GabrialDestruir> Not sure why there wouldn't be. I suppose it's a logic step.
[21:35] <thrawed> arm linux is arm linux.
[21:37] <AR_> leg linux is leg linux
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[21:38] <GabrialDestruir> Guess I didn't really think about it.
[21:38] <GabrialDestruir> But I could see the potential for using a Pi in penetration testing.
[21:38] <thrawed> backtrack is nothing special, it's just a collection of tools. You can easily install the same tools on debian.
[21:38] <AC`97> or archlinux.
[21:39] <GabrialDestruir> Well of course, but Backtrack does it all with a nice little wrapped up package and a bow.
[21:39] <AC`97> wrap it yourself. don't be a couch potato
[21:39] <AC`97> :P
[21:39] <AC`97> ohwait, we computer users are all couch/chair potatoes
[21:39] <Meatballs> http://pwnieexpress.com/blogs/news/6156890-raspberry-pwn-a-pentesting-release-for-the-raspberry-pi
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> if you're on a customers site doing local pentesting, then you need a little laptop, not a credit card PC without screen & keyboard...
[21:40] <AR_> strap battery on pi walk around
[21:40] <AR_> wardriving
[21:40] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: false.
[21:40] <AR_> war'walking'
[21:40] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: it's just a guise for stealing their neighbours wifi
[21:40] <AC`97> cellphone + rpi
[21:40] <trevorman> AC`97: just a phone will do these days
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> AC`97, ok, pedantically you can ssh into pi from phone, but it's a real PITA to do any proper work like that.
[21:41] <AC`97> but RPi can do moar :D
[21:41] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: not really ssh. web interface.
[21:41] <GabrialDestruir> Actually... you could easily use the Pi for something like long term pentesting.
[21:41] <AC`97> automation om nom nom
[21:41] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: depends how big the screen is
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> the issue I'd face is that if I left a Pi on a customers site in (eg) a pibow case, I'd get laughed off-site and told to not come back.
[21:42] <GabrialDestruir> Hide it in the office somewhere plugged up to an ethernet jack and power source with a little ssh or even a web interface
[21:42] <thrawed> ssh with screen on a galaxy note would be pretty good
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> when youre doing this stuff for a paying customer, they like to see "stuff", not little "toys" ...
[21:42] <AC`97> hide it in a fake [fat] laptop power supply ??
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> which is a PITA at times.
[21:42] <GabrialDestruir> So if you're going to use your Pi for pentesting, don't use a PiBow case.
[21:43] <trevorman> I think a PSU with an ethernet connection would be a tad suspicious
[21:43] <Meatballs> depends if you save them ?1000 in hotel expenses by saying, plug this into your internal network and I'll pivot from that
[21:43] <AC`97> trevorman: wifi :P
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> I put asterisk + PXB into a tiny PC buy no-one took it seriously - they wanted bog boxes bolted to the walls, etc.
[21:43] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: you could cover it in blinking lights and a black case
[21:43] <GabrialDestruir> There's plenty of options out there for case designs.
[21:43] <thrawed> the more leds, the more legit
[21:43] <trevorman> AC`97: if its wifi then you don't need to leave it in the building
[21:43] <trevorman> thrawed: glue a Cisco or IBM logo on it
[21:43] <axion> get one of those power strips with builtin ethernet and mod it :)
[21:43] <GabrialDestruir> If it's wifi you wouldn't use a Pi...
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> lots of LEDS: http://www.instructables.com/id/Cheap-and-Effective-USB-Write-Blocker/
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> gah- stupid copy buffer: https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/ladder.jpg
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[21:44] <GabrialDestruir> The Pi would in my opinion be a way to provide an "entry point" through which the system could be hacked.
[21:45] <trevorman> one fairly sneaky route would be to mount the RPi onto a PC expansion card blanking plate and make it appear to be just another NIC
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[21:45] <thrawed> GabrialDestruir: if you have physical access then why would you bother using a pi?
[21:45] <Meatballs> because its easy to get on site
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> it's easir to just take a laptop on-site.
[21:45] <Meatballs> but to stay on site for days is not so easy
[21:46] <GabrialDestruir> Long term pentesting... frankly the way I see it, if you can leave a Pi hooked up for a week and it not get found, there's a security issue.
[21:46] <thrawed> the only benefits of the pi are size and low power draw
[21:46] <trevorman> the backtrack image for RPi is more "because you can" tbh
[21:46] <AC`97> pi isn't low power draw
[21:47] <AC`97> and it puts out quite a bit of heat too
[21:47] <Meatballs> most people dont sweep offices for thermal signatures ;)
[21:47] <thrawed> AC`97: isn't the stock switching quite inefficient?
[21:47] <AC`97> stock non-switching, you mean.
[21:47] <AC`97> (aka linear)
[21:47] <trevorman> AC`97: it isn't low power? what you comparing it to
[21:48] <GabrialDestruir> Compared to a normal PC it is low power.
[21:48] <AC`97> comparing it to my pogoplug? XD no clue
[21:48] <AC`97> my pogoplug uses even more power though
[21:48] <GabrialDestruir> Only needing a USB cord to power. Mind you that's on par with some routers too.
[21:49] <GabrialDestruir> But a router with the same specs as a Pi will probably run you a twice or triple the price of a single Pi
[21:49] <trevorman> the tplink one is pretty cheap
[21:49] <axion> it can also make use of the full 100/1000mbit
[21:50] <AC`97> even my pogoplug can make full use of gigabit ethernet
[21:50] <axion> but not the pi even with smsc95xx.turbo_mode
[21:50] <axion> even 100mbit
[21:50] <AC`97> indeed.
[21:50] <thrawed> sheevaplug would be better
[21:50] <GabrialDestruir> Yes... but for the sake of pentesting, it's not like you need gigabit ethernet, do you?
[21:51] <AC`97> what about bandwidth testing?
[21:51] <AC`97> :P
[21:51] <trevorman> sheevaplug/pogoplug is about 5W apparently
[21:52] <AC`97> or 4W
[21:52] <misterhat> http://www.axess.com/twilight/console/detail/gcnprot1.jpg
[21:52] <misterhat> wow
[21:52] <AC`97> wow wut
[21:53] <misterhat> that looks hilarious
[21:53] <AC`97> . . .
[21:53] <AC`97> what does it do ??
[21:53] <misterhat> it's gc prototype controller
[21:53] <AC`97> what's a gc prototype controller?
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[21:53] <trevorman> AC`97: the RPi is equal or lower power consumption than the sheevaplug then
[21:54] <trevorman> GC = Nintendo Gamecube
[21:54] <AC`97> trevorman: half as much
[21:54] <trevorman> the console before the Wii basically
[21:54] <AC`97> but the pogoplug is also much faster than the pi
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[21:54] <AC`97> and it has all switching regulators inside
[21:54] <GabrialDestruir> Pssh. A Wii is a game cube, just with a new controller system...
[21:54] <[SLB]> zalun, works?
[21:55] <PhotoJim> GabrialDestruir: as long as it's an older Wii. the new Wiis don't do GameCube stuff.
[21:55] <trevorman> they don't? huh
[21:55] <GabrialDestruir> Yes they do.
[21:55] <axion> debating on an odroid-x or nitrogen6x...hmmm
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[21:55] <dennistlg> Pentesting on a Pi think its better to buy a mobile phone with android and usbhost.
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[21:55] <AC`97> axion: get both
[21:56] <trevorman> what dennistlg said
[21:56] <axion> no need for both
[21:56] <GabrialDestruir> Pop the top on a Wii, you can plug in your controllers and your memcards
[21:56] <PhotoJim> GabrialDestruir: http://www.destructoid.com/new-black-wii-smb-holiday-bundle-no-gamecube-support-213469.phtml all models since have lacked GC compatibility too.
[21:56] <AC`97> get both, review both. sell one with review on ebay.
[21:56] <PhotoJim> The ports are no longer there.
[21:56] <PhotoJim> Mine has 'em. But new ones don't.
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[21:57] <GabrialDestruir> Huh, didn't know that.
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[21:57] <PhotoJim> I didn't until a few weeks ago either.
[21:57] <PhotoJim> They did it to lower production cost, I suspect.
[21:57] <dennistlg> aircrack on my samsung galaxy s2 cracks a lot faster then the pi (becouse it hase more p0wer
[21:57] <PhotoJim> and the new Wii U won't do GC either, although that's less of an issue.
[21:57] <axion> AC`97: i'm wondering which one, if at all, can decode h264 and vp8 without GLES
[21:57] <GabrialDestruir> Or they figured that no one uses GC anymore.
[21:57] <PhotoJim> I use GC occasionally. but I have a Wii from only a few weeks after launch.
[21:57] <AC`97> O.o
[21:58] <trevorman> the CPU is probably still capable but they save on the sockets and flap on the top
[21:58] <PhotoJim> trevorman: very likely.
[21:58] <PhotoJim> trevorman: almost certain in fact.
[21:59] <GabrialDestruir> So now they could put out a wireless GC controller with mem card slots and make millions.... well if they weren't about to push the Wii U
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[22:00] <GabrialDestruir> I probably won't even get a Wii U since I do most of my gaming on a PC anyways.
[22:00] <PhotoJim> I probably will. They look interesting.
[22:00] <trevorman> that wouldn't work. the wii is a massive hack. the GC disc runs natively so it wouldn't know how to talk to anything but the hardwired ports
[22:01] <GabrialDestruir> Doesn't mean they couldn't do it.
[22:01] <trevorman> its not possible with how they designed the wii
[22:01] <trevorman> wii games themselves have everything on the disc
[22:01] <trevorman> the pause menu is run by the game. its why they look different
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[22:06] <GabrialDestruir> So emulate the hardware ports, I'm sure it'd be possible, even if it is a bit hacky.
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[22:07] <trevorman> there isn't a hypervisor so how are you going to emulate them?
[22:07] <trevorman> the disc assumes it is the only thing running on the hardware and directly accesses it
[22:08] <trevorman> they would have let you use the wiimote + classic controller otherwise
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[22:10] <GabrialDestruir> Put it in an emulator, basically run the GC software inside a container, emulate the controls, the GC still thinks it's the only thing running, and you can still use passthrough to access the hardware you don't want to emulate.
[22:12] <eAndi_> anyone here have hackberry?
[22:12] <Dagger2> isn't the bigger issue that GC discs were 8cm, and 8cm-capable slot loading DVD drives are more expensive than ones that aren't?
[22:13] <trevorman> that'd be a massive job and you'd quite likely have performance + compatibility issues like sony with the PS3
[22:13] <GabrialDestruir> There is that, if the drive couldn't read the disc then it'd be pointless anyways.
[22:14] <trevorman> and the PS3 still had the graphics chip from the PS2 when they did software emu. they completely killed it off when they dropped the PS2 CPU.
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[22:31] <streetuff> anyone into drumstep? grab my latest mix... http://www.daupara.de/DJ-Placebo_-_Everything-starts-with-a-WOB.mp3
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[22:32] <streetuff> more mixes here -> http://streetuff.trsi.at/DJ-Placebo/
[22:32] <dreamon_> where can I start "screen" for console remoting by autostart? where can I insert it. "screen -S test"
[22:34] <GabrialDestruir> Wow, apparently my Pi's temp is down to 34C
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[22:38] <scummos> dreamon_: chsh to screen I think
[22:39] <scummos> or ssh <foobar> scren
[22:39] <scummos> *screen
[22:39] <dreamon_> scummos, yes.. that not the problem.. I want to start it automaticly after power on.
[22:39] <scummos> ... without logging in?
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[22:40] <AC`97> gardar: my pi is at 33.628??C :D
[22:40] <AC`97> oops.
[22:41] <cerjam> how goes one tell temp
[22:41] <AC`97> i meant GabrialDestruir
[22:41] <dreamon_> scummos, yes. first start "screen -S test" then "screen -S cm -X stuff $'mc\n'" so I can connect to from other client to check and remote.
[22:41] <GabrialDestruir> Nice.
[22:41] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[22:41] <AC`97> cerjam: cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[22:41] <trevorman> cerjam: you need a recent bootloader to do it though
[22:41] <AC`97> or /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[22:41] <AC`97> recent firmware/kernel/blahblah
[22:41] <GabrialDestruir> sudo /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
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[22:43] <dreamon_> scummos, tried to insert in rc.local but dont work. think its to early to do
[22:43] <scummos> dreamon_: you need to replace the login command, but don't ask me how you do that properly
[22:44] <dreamon_> scummos, ;)
[22:44] <scummos> you could start by reading the man pages for like login, getty, ...
[22:44] <scummos> and see if you find something useful there
[22:44] <scummos> but honestly I have no idea
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[22:47] <[SLB]> try .bash_login
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[22:48] <scummos> [SLB]: I think he wants it instead of the login prompt
[22:49] <[SLB]> hm
[22:50] <dreamon_> scummos, nono.. thats ok too. want only to start these two comands... so can do what I want.
[22:50] <[SLB]> shouldn't it work from there?
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[22:50] <scummos> [SLB]: well, I tought *instead* of the login prompt
[22:50] <GriffenJBS> anyone have a link for node v0.8.9 binary?
[22:50] <scummos> not after it
[22:50] <[SLB]> ah oks
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[22:50] <scummos> dreamon_: well in that case, just put the command into a shell script in /usr/bin or so, and set that as shell with chsh
[22:50] <scummos> hm wait, which shell does screen launch?
[22:51] <scummos> I hope not $SHELL
[22:51] <GriffenJBS> login is run from getty from /etc/inittab fyi
[22:51] <scummos> whey
[22:51] <scummos> thanks
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[22:53] <GabrialDestruir> As far as I know, screen launches the regular shell like you'd get in terminal or after just logging in
[22:54] <[SLB]> yes the first window does by default
[22:54] <[SLB]> if no other params are specified
[22:55] <dreamon_> after login, I can start these comands without problems
[22:55] <[SLB]> technically, you should end up inside screen without even realizing it, i guess
[22:55] <[SLB]> put what you want in .bash_login try that
[22:55] <[SLB]> it's a per user setting if done this way
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[22:57] <dreamon_> there are only 3 files in /home/pi -> .bash_history .bash_logout .bashrc -> no .bash_login
[22:57] <[SLB]> make one
[22:57] <streetuff> touch .bash_login
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[22:58] <scummos> GabrialDestruir: yes but what if you set that shell to be screen? :D
[22:58] <dreamon_> streetuff, no output
[22:58] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[22:58] <GabrialDestruir> Infinite Screen Loop? >.>
[22:58] <streetuff> dreamon_: a .bash_login file should have been created
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[22:59] <dreamon_> streetuff, right
[23:00] <GabrialDestruir> Curious AC`97 , are you using a fan on yours?
[23:01] <scummos> dreamon_: most linux commands don't do output if they succeed
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[23:01] <[SLB]> open .bash_login with your editor of choice and put the screen line in it
[23:01] <[SLB]> then save and relog
[23:01] <pepijndevos> are any of you running their website on a raspi?
[23:01] <dreamon_> scummos, did not recognized that touch would make da file with its name. I do a reboot
[23:02] <[SLB]> just relog
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[23:02] <[SLB]> but you have to edit the file, no need to touch actually, create it in the editor itself
[23:06] <dreamon_> hmm. -> Attaching from inside of screen?
[23:06] <[SLB]> ?
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[23:08] <dreamon_> made a reboot. raspi shows login screen. went to client and logged in by ssh. did "screen -rx cm" that brought this message .-> Attaching from inside of screen?
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[23:08] <[SLB]> and you put screen -rx cm also in bash_login?
[23:09] <japro> this is so fun, i'm sitting here coding in front of a huge emacs projected onto the wall that is running on my rpi :D
[23:09] <[SLB]> lol
[23:09] <Vostok> dude, go for vim
[23:10] <dreamon_> SLB noo.. in bash_login is only this ->screen -S cm ->screen -S cm -X stuff $'ls -l\n'
[23:11] <[SLB]> then i think when you logged in and you did "screen -rx cm", it said Attaching from inside of screen? beacuse you were inside the screen session already
[23:11] <[SLB]> not sure though
[23:11] <[SLB]> moment
[23:12] <Vostok> yes, that's the problem
[23:12] <scummos> yeah vim is the only editor
[23:12] <GriffenJBS> anyone have a link for node v0.8.9 binary?
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[23:14] <[SLB]> dreamon_, have a look at here http://geekscrap.com/2010/02/using-screen-as-your-login-shell/
[23:14] <[SLB]> try that, dunno
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[23:19] <dreamon_> SLB how can i login -> screen -R -e "^Ee" ${SHELL} -l -> hmmm
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[23:21] <GabrialDestruir> Okay.... I think i'm almost done with the basics of revamping this Pi info site :D
[23:22] <dreamon_> had to go to bed.. think im hooking.
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[23:23] <Syliss> hooking?
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[23:27] <GabrialDestruir> There's a graphical text editor in Raspbian isn't there?
[23:27] <dreamon_> sry my english.. want to say a stucked in . give another try tomorrow. Good Night
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[23:31] <Syliss> hmm
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[23:35] <Syliss> webOS on the pi is great
[23:35] <misterhat> it works?
[23:36] <Syliss> yes, no gui yet tho
[23:36] <misterhat> oh
[23:36] * Syliss meant the idea is great
[23:36] <AC`97> GabrialDestruir: yah, i has fan. http://rpi.reboxed.net
[23:36] <AC`97> my room is getting hot :D
[23:36] <AC`97> using all 6 spinny drives in my desktop
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[23:37] <Syliss> lol
[23:38] <_2E0BXQ> :o
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[23:38] <_2E0BXQ> I might just have to get the pi controlling my A/C unit, to keep the room at a nice temp
[23:38] <GabrialDestruir> I'm rocking a desktop fan for mine xD
[23:38] <GabrialDestruir> Like one of those ones that sits on a desktop
[23:39] <[SLB]> if you really have to use a fan, some video card fans for the pi are nice
[23:40] <Syliss> i gave my desktop to my little bro, idk if i have any fans
[23:40] <GabrialDestruir> I don't have to... I just like seeing cooler temps, plus it helps circulate the air in my room anyways, the Pi don't put off enough heat for it to drastically change my room temp.
[23:40] <Kubsle> AC`97: can you give me your script?
[23:40] <Kubsle> it's in PHP?
[23:41] <AC`97> yah. what do you need it for? O.o
[23:41] <GabrialDestruir> I like that design better personally....
[23:41] <AC`97> it's only some cat equivalents
[23:41] <GabrialDestruir> Though I'm currently redoing it so it looks all nice and neat.
[23:41] <Fleck> AC`97 got my msg about artifacts?
[23:41] <AC`97> ancient artifacts? :D
[23:42] <AC`97> oh. hdmi.
[23:42] <GabrialDestruir> My Pi isn't publicly available yet or I'd link it.
[23:42] <AC`97> i guess i did. perhaps.
[23:42] <Fleck> AC`97 yeah - HDMI, cable was bad! :D
[23:43] <AC`97> GabrialDestruir: you don't list the pin modes :P
[23:44] <Kubsle> AC`97: I'm begginer
[23:44] <Kubsle> It's PHP script?
[23:44] <GabrialDestruir> Eh that one isn't mine. I can't get the GPIO stuff to work so mine currently shows pin 1 is pin 2 is
[23:44] <GabrialDestruir> etc
[23:44] <AC`97> yep, it is
[23:44] <AC`97> Kubsle: all it does is read some files here and there
[23:44] <Kubsle> can u show me your source?
[23:45] <AC`97> okee dokee, hold on a moment
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi to the rescue - write the CGI in C and make it setuid :)
[23:46] <GabrialDestruir> Isn't it just a bunch of shell_exec('cat /something/here/')
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[23:46] <AC`97> perhaps
[23:47] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[23:47] <AC`97> http://rpi.reboxed.net/inducks.html
[23:48] <GabrialDestruir> Oh wow.
[23:48] <AC`97> ??
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[23:48] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose that's one way to do it xD
[23:48] <Kubsle> thankss
[23:48] <AC`97> (:
[23:48] <Syliss> i hate php, but its still useful
[23:49] <misterhat> wow
[23:49] <misterhat> that is some inconsistent naming
[23:49] <GabrialDestruir> I wish colspan would let me work with numbers like 0.5
[23:50] <Syliss> lol
[23:50] <GabrialDestruir> Sometimes I just want HALF a column ya know?
[23:50] <AC`97> . . .
[23:51] <AC`97> = no colspan? XD
[23:51] <AC`97> or colspan elsewhere
[23:52] <misterhat> man i love spyro
[23:52] <GabrialDestruir> colspan in my tables to display all my information for the Pi
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[23:54] <GriffenJBS> anyone have a link for node v0.8.9 binary?
[23:56] <GabrialDestruir> How many GPIO pins are there?
[23:56] <GriffenJBS> 24 iirc
[23:57] <AC`97> 17??
[23:57] <GriffenJBS> 17
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[23:57] <AC`97> GriffenJBS: y need link?
[23:57] <GriffenJBS> 26 ping header 17 GPIO 6 NC 3 rails
[23:58] <GriffenJBS> AC`97: much faster than compiling
[23:58] <AC`97> O.o
[23:58] <AC`97> which what distro
[23:58] <GriffenJBS> I have a 0.8.6-pre and node-gyp is complaining
[23:59] <GriffenJBS> raspbian
[23:59] <AC`97> oh. no clue XD

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