#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-09-24

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <djazz> Voort: time make
[0:00] <djazz> i think
[0:00] <[SLB]> mayeb run time make
[0:00] <[SLB]> yup
[0:00] <Voort> ok
[0:01] <djazz> [SLB]: no errors?
[0:03] <[SLB]> i have to understand what to put in index.html i guess
[0:03] <[SLB]> let me check again
[0:03] <djazz> you downloaded all the files?
[0:03] <djazz> [SLB]: http://i.imgur.com/gXuKw.png
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[0:04] <[SLB]> cpuinfo is the one you have on pastebin?
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[0:05] <[SLB]> and index is just 7 lines?
[0:05] <[SLB]> i think so
[0:06] * jedahan (~jedahan@subtle/user/jedahan) Quit (Quit: zzZ)
[0:12] <[SLB]> am sleepy i guess i'll check better tomorrow after the exam
[0:12] <[SLB]> thanks much for the archive, saved me hours eheh :D
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[0:14] <leftyfb> Is there any way to power the RPi back on once it's been powered down and is still plugged in?
[0:14] <djazz> index is small yes
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[0:15] <[SLB]> hm not sure what's the problem then
[0:15] <[SLB]> no leftyfb
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[0:18] <djazz> gn
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[0:35] <manitou> can i connect fan on gpio i looking for one 5v ?! and how to cotroll it fx to turn on only if over 60'C ?
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[0:35] <steve_rox> isent it bad to take power from gpio
[0:35] <steve_rox> least large ammounts
[0:36] <misterhat> yeh but
[0:36] <misterhat> can use it as a switch
[0:36] <steve_rox> use the pi to turn fan on?
[0:36] <AC`97> my fan is pi-controlled.
[0:37] <manitou> nice AC`97 scrip is avvaliable ? and how to maybe ?! ;)
[0:37] <manitou> im new to those thing (not linux just wiering)
[0:38] <AC`97> i'm computer-illiterate
[0:38] <steve_rox> you say that to everyone
[0:38] <AC`97> no i don't
[0:38] <misterhat> yes you do
[0:38] <manitou> just to noobs ;)
[0:38] <AC`97> ...
[0:39] <manitou> is it avaliable some howto to those things i asking ? wireing fan via gpio and controll ?
[0:39] <misterhat> it's his excuse not to help people
[0:39] <misterhat> :P
[0:39] <[SLB]> lol
[0:40] <AC`97> my pi is all mineeee >:D
[0:40] <Syliss> ?_?
[0:41] <AC`97> BogoMIPS : 996.14
[0:41] <AC`97> joy~
[0:41] <AC`97> i kept hitting the current-limit reboot until i lowered my overvoltage
[0:41] * manitou weird !?!?
[0:43] <AC`97> BogoMIPS : 1099.36
[0:43] <[SLB]> now 6?
[0:43] <AC`97> uberjoy~
[0:43] <AC`97> now 4.
[0:43] <[SLB]> ok
[0:43] <AC`97> i actually don't need it
[0:43] <AC`97> but it makes me feel l33t.
[0:43] <[SLB]> lol
[0:43] <markbook> for a guy who's Computer Illiterate ;-)
[0:44] <AC`97> huh
[0:44] <AC`97> i majored in Computer Sabotage
[0:44] <markbook> nice.
[0:44] <AC`97> all you need is a BFH for that.
[0:44] <AC`97> (big _______ hammer)
[0:46] <japro> shameless self promotion: https://twitter.com/JakobProgsch/status/249998200340103169
[0:46] <AC`97> shame on youuuu~
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[0:49] <japro> is there a point in wrapping the "sound api" stuff from the example files or does openal work also just fine?
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[1:09] * Syliss just took apart his logitech mx700 receiver
[1:09] <uh> hey
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[1:10] <uh> what can I do to spin down external usb disk when not used?
[1:10] <uh> or should this be done automatically already?
[1:11] <uh> and can I put priorities on applications for memory and cpu usage?
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[1:13] <japro> i would look at relevant laptop packages/settings those typically have options to control disk usage for power consumption purposes
[1:15] <chithead> some usb enclosures will work with hdparm
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[1:16] <uh> is there a known good enclosure list?
[1:17] <uh> current one seems to let the disk spin
[1:17] <uh> no matter what
[1:17] <chithead> it depends on the usb->sata chip inside, those often change without notice
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[1:18] <DaQatz> Pibot will be down until tuesday. Sorry for inconvenience.
[1:19] <chithead> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/SpinDownUSBHarddisks has some information
[1:19] <discopig> we forgive you... this time
[1:19] <darknyte> What does pibot even do?
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[1:21] <uh> and another thing
[1:21] <uh> does anyone know if it is possible to launch applications using libcec
[1:22] <manitou> just foundone fan dc12V 0.15A i go with this one hope its not too much for rest of pi !? :)
[1:22] <uh> I would like xbmc to go to sleep or close but wake when pi has cec signal
[1:22] <uh> manitou: where will you get 12V?
[1:23] <manitou> uh dont need full speed of fan ! just tested with usband runs about half speed
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[1:23] <uh> : D
[1:23] <discopig> that's pretty cool
[1:23] <manitou> wake on lan ! is it work on lan ?
[1:25] <manitou> my pi with heatsinker's :) http://imageshack.us/a/img253/8246/rpi2.jpg
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[1:27] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[1:28] <tripgod> sexy, manitou
[1:29] * manitou hpe you talking about my pi ! ;)
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[1:36] <manitou> and here waiting for fan ;) http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/145/rpi3.jpg/
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[1:52] <anticw> is there a way to dynamically change the screen/framebuffer mode?
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[1:58] <chiggins> Hey! So, I'm trying to get the new debian image on my sd card. I run dd, but when I try to expand the partition in gparted, I get an error saying the superblock could not be read
[1:58] <chiggins> I'ts happened about three times now in a row
[1:58] <chithead> what exact dd command?
[1:59] <chiggins> "dd if=2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian.zip of=/dev/sdb bs=1M"
[1:59] <chiggins> i mean .img
[1:59] <chiggins> copied the wrong command
[2:00] <chiggins> accidently dd'ed the zip file first, hah
[2:00] <chithead> can you mount the partitions inside?
[2:00] <chiggins> chithead: nope
[2:00] <chithead> note that you need to trigger kernel partition rescan after dd
[2:02] <chiggins> ?
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[2:04] <chithead> partprobe, or fdisk write and quit, or remove and re-insert
[2:06] <chiggins> Oh righteous. Thanks :D
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[2:10] <tripgod> The colors on my pi are screwed. Red colors appear blue. Yellow appears cyan. Blue appears orange
[2:10] <tripgod> using HDMI
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[2:44] <axion> config_hdmi_boost=4
[2:44] <axion> This option can also help when there is no display output at all, the display periodically blanks, or colours are wrong/inverted.
[2:51] * IT_Sean (~IT_Sean@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:53] <IT_Sean> >.>
[2:53] <IT_Sean> <.<
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[3:03] <PiRocketman> Managed to spike my Pi to 64C by copying a 10GB copy of Wikipedia over Wifi. Previous best was 60C while compiling Kiwix to read said Wikipedia copy.
[3:03] <AC`97> orly
[3:04] <AC`97> i'd go nuts if my pi was at 60C. bad for the capacitors.
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[3:04] <PiRocketman> Took the lid off case and it is back down to 60C
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[3:04] <KameSense> hello, how do you read the temp ?
[3:05] <AC`97> cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[3:05] <KameSense> thx
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[3:05] <AC`97> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[3:05] <PiRocketman> I am using a temp monitoring applet in LXDE if you want something Gui.
[3:05] <AC`97> or as an alternative, use a pony.
[3:05] <AC`97> http://rpi.reboxed.net/
[3:05] <KameSense> PiRocketman: thx but my Pi runs headless
[3:05] <[diecast]> lm-sensors too
[3:06] <AC`97> KameSense: guillotine? D:
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[3:06] <[diecast]> he must be french
[3:06] <[diecast]> ok, bad joke
[3:06] <AC`97> no, joke bad
[3:06] <KameSense> I mean without screen
[3:06] <AC`97> KameSense: without head!~
[3:06] <KameSense> and, yes, in fact I am french ^^
[3:07] <AC`97> screen can run without head :P
[3:07] <[diecast]> KameSense: i love the french. =)
[3:07] <IT_Sean> I thought i'd smelled something.
[3:07] <AC`97> fries??
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[3:07] <KameSense> cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp -> 51382 ?
[3:07] <AC`97> 51.382
[3:07] <thrawed> KameSense: divide it by a thousand
[3:08] <KameSense> ok
[3:08] <KameSense> thx
[3:08] <AC`97> that's smokin hot
[3:08] <AC`97> mine is at 35.78??
[3:08] <thrawed> AC`97: mine is at 44 idle
[3:08] <KameSense> no overclocking, no case, and heatsinks
[3:09] <AC`97> emergency shutdown occurs at 50C for me >:D
[3:09] <thrawed> AC`97: err, why?
[3:09] <AC`97> because if it ever reaches 50C, it means my fan has failed
[3:09] <[diecast]> AC`97: is that site yours? reboxed.net
[3:09] <AC`97> [diecast]: depends on your reason for asking
[3:09] <thrawed> why on earth would you put a fan on the pi?
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[3:10] <[diecast]> uh, 'er i like it and want a copy! =)
[3:10] <AC`97> thrawed: because i'm putting my pi in my motorcycle
[3:10] <IT_Sean> thrawed, to keep it cool, of course!
[3:10] <PiRocketman> its one of those "because I can" things.
[3:10] <KameSense> thrawed: to make some noise ^^
[3:10] <AC`97> "because i have to"
[3:11] <AC`97> [diecast]: a copy of what? XD
[3:11] <[diecast]> your birth certificate
[3:11] <[diecast]> so i can be just like you
[3:11] <AC`97> i've never seen it myself
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[3:11] <AC`97> how many people have actually seen their own birth cert anyways?
[3:11] <[diecast]> well, is that some package your downloaded for the site template/scripts or you made it?
[3:12] <AC`97> [diecast]: i just typed it up.
[3:12] <[diecast]> uhhh... i would think many have... i have my original one
[3:12] <AC`97> it also sucks.
[3:13] <[diecast]> so its not dynamic?
[3:13] <AC`97> it is.
[3:13] <AC`97> rpi.reboxed.net, or reboxed.net ?? :P
[3:13] <[diecast]> i like them both
[3:13] <AC`97> . . .
[3:13] <[diecast]> you should start a github for it
[3:13] <AC`97> they both suck, actually
[3:13] <AC`97> rpi more than the other
[3:13] <[diecast]> so what =)
[3:13] <[diecast]> it is relevant data
[3:14] <AC`97> it is sparse data
[3:14] <[diecast]> ok, i have better things to do than pump up your ego... i didnt get to watch the arsenal game yet
[3:14] <[diecast]> hah
[3:14] <AC`97> :P
[3:15] <AC`97> so, it looks my max achievable overclock is dropping with time
[3:15] <AC`97> is that possible? o.o
[3:16] <AC`97> and it seems like i have to bump up overvolt to compensate
[3:16] <AC`97> (kinda like having to buy a bigger truck, etc)
[3:16] <IT_Sean> doo eeeet
[3:17] <AC`97> do it what
[3:17] <thrawed> AC`97: What do you use to calculate load?
[3:17] <IT_Sean> overclock the *** out of it?
[3:17] <AC`97> thrawed: guess.
[3:17] <AC`97> it's called "load" but it's more of a load average
[3:17] <[diecast]> math?
[3:17] <thrawed> AC`97: mpstat?
[3:17] <AC`97> and it's possible to get more than 100% "load"
[3:18] <AC`97> thrawed: php function.
[3:18] <AC`97> sys_getloadavg()
[3:18] <AC`97> what's mpstat anyways? o.o
[3:19] <misterhat> AC`97: i thot u were computer illiterate
[3:19] <AC`97> i am.
[3:19] <misterhat> oic
[3:20] <markbook> He's never read a computer.
[3:20] <markbook> or a computer book?
[3:20] <AC`97> i've never read a computer.
[3:21] <thrawed> I want an e-ink smartphone
[3:21] <IT_Sean> No you don't.
[3:21] <IT_Sean> e-ink displays are not quite there yet for web browsing or multimedia
[3:21] <markbook> ok. I want an IDEAL e-ink smart phone
[3:22] <markbook> which doesn't yet exist. Oh, color too.
[3:22] <IT_Sean> ja... that doesn't exist yet either. :p
[3:22] <markbook> fast, clear, low power, good brightness and contrast.
[3:22] <AC`97> color e-ink exists
[3:23] <AC`97> has existed for a couple years now
[3:23] <IT_Sean> oh?
[3:23] <IT_Sean> huh.
[3:23] <AC`97> nvm, ignore that
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[3:23] <markbook> AC`97: it just sucks
[3:23] <AC`97> i'm technology-illiterate
[3:23] <markbook> or it's too expensive.
[3:23] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/3i8nDMuKZSzOY1BWbf7dwfzav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[3:23] <AC`97> ^ my books
[3:24] <[diecast]> i still have my complete MSDOS 6.22 handbook
[3:25] <AC`97> orly
[3:25] <AC`97> scan it and upload (:
[3:25] <[diecast]> your stuff is way over my head
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[3:25] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/vYB47Ru3P-rpJ1FUtrPF2vzav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[3:25] <AC`97> ^ my other stuffs.
[3:27] <leftyfb> I'm trying to monitor a gpio (gpio25 /pin22 to be exact) and use a switch to send 3.3v to it from pin1 when the switch is pressed. The problem is, if I even attach an alligator clip to it in testing, the value gets set to 1. What am I doing wrong?
[3:27] <AC`97> leftyfb: isn't that what you want?
[3:27] <anticw> nid0: have you tried CEC passthrough?
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[3:28] <leftyfb> I only want the value set to 1 when I pass 3.3v to the gpio when pressing the switch (connecting to pin1/3.3v) ... not when I just connect an alligator clip, or literally touch the pin with my finger
[3:29] <AC`97> leftyfb: you forgot to pull it low
[3:29] <leftyfb> how do I do that?
[3:29] <AC`97> either with external resistor, or set internal one
[3:29] <leftyfb> oh
[3:29] <AC`97> leftyfb: what are you using to work with your gpio at the moment ??
[3:29] <leftyfb> what do you mean what am I using?
[3:29] <leftyfb> alligator clips and a momentary switch
[3:29] <AC`97> how did you read your gpio ?
[3:29] <leftyfb> oh
[3:30] <leftyfb> shell
[3:30] <leftyfb> cat /sys/class/gpio/gpio25/value
[3:30] <AC`97> have you downloaded wiringpi?
[3:30] <leftyfb> I don't care to get into python just yet
[3:30] <AC`97> wiringpi includes a tool called "gpio"
[3:30] <leftyfb> I understand shell a lot better and want to get a handle on the basics first
[3:30] <leftyfb> I know
[3:30] <AC`97> you can use it to set the internal resistors
[3:31] <AC`97> otherwise, use external ones to pull up/down the voltage
[3:31] <leftyfb> you said I can also use a resister to the gpio pin right?
[3:31] <leftyfb> any idea what rating?
[3:31] <leftyfb> wait, up?
[3:31] <AC`97> yes
[3:31] <AC`97> up = 3.3v
[3:31] <leftyfb> how would using a resister "pull" the voltage up?
[3:31] <AC`97> then you'd have your switch short the gpio to ground when pressed
[3:32] <AC`97> 3.3v <-resistor-> gpio pin
[3:32] <AC`97> value of resistor, no clue.
[3:32] * AC`97 is electronics illiterate
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[3:32] <AC`97> Syliss knows.
[3:33] <Syliss> ?_?
[3:33] <leftyfb> gonna see what a 1k does
[3:33] <AC`97> Syliss: leftyfb wants to know about ponies
[3:33] <AC`97> leftyfb: noooooooo~
[3:33] <ackthet> leftyfb: go big
[3:33] <AC`97> not the 1k D:
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[3:33] <[diecast]> why doesnt wiringpi have any docs
[3:33] <leftyfb> big?
[3:33] <AC`97> [diecast]: it does.
[3:33] <[diecast]> all the methods are blank
[3:33] <leftyfb> 22k?
[3:33] <AC`97> yeah that sounds better.
[3:33] <Syliss> ponies??
[3:33] <[diecast]> help(wiringpi.blah)
[3:33] <[diecast]> or any method
[3:33] * Syliss is not a bronie
[3:34] <[diecast]> AC`97: try it ^
[3:34] <AC`97> ...
[3:34] <leftyfb> ok
[3:34] <leftyfb> that failed immediately
[3:34] <AC`97> [diecast]: bronie??
[3:34] <leftyfb> i'm confused
[3:34] <AC`97> i'm confused
[3:34] <[diecast]> i am not your bronie lover
[3:34] <Syliss> lol
[3:35] <leftyfb> I touched one side of the 22k resistor to gpio25 and the value got set to 1
[3:35] <[diecast]> but i am going to ny comic con in 2 weeks
[3:35] <AC`97> leftyfb: now do it [semi]permanently
[3:35] <leftyfb> the other side of the resistor was attached to an alligator clip and then nothing
[3:36] <leftyfb> it's still 1
[3:37] <AC`97> that's correct.
[3:37] <AC`97> now to get it show 0, you use your switch to short that pin to ground
[3:37] <AC`97> and tada!~ instant 0
[3:37] <leftyfb> ok, I get that, but is it not possible to do it the other way?
[3:37] <AC`97> very possible.
[3:37] <AC`97> hook resistor from ground to gpio pin
[3:38] <leftyfb> ah
[3:38] <leftyfb> then pass 3.3 to it to change it?
[3:38] <AC`97> yep.
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[3:38] <leftyfb> hm
[3:38] <leftyfb> guess this way is easier then
[3:38] <leftyfb> detecting ground instead of voltage
[3:38] <AC`97> be VERY careful though, if you set your gpio pin to output mode, you may just kill something
[3:38] <AC`97> s/kill/short/
[3:39] <leftyfb> yeah, I'm only doing this temp till I get it right ... after that 'll be wiring up a ribbon cable
[3:39] <AC`97> indeed
[3:39] <leftyfb> building myself some airplay speakers :)
[3:39] <AC`97> and it's better to hook up another resistor in series with your switch
[3:40] <AC`97> if you won't be using more than one button at a time, it's okay to have a single resistor for all the switches
[3:40] <leftyfb> I'm only going to have 1 switch
[3:40] <AC`97> (not on the gpio side of the switch though!)
[3:40] <AC`97> leftyfb: what will it be used for ?
[3:40] <leftyfb> it's going to run "shutdown -h now" when pressed
[3:40] <AC`97> oh i see.
[3:40] <leftyfb> so power can safely be removed
[3:41] <AC`97> i use a toggle switch for mine :D
[3:41] <AC`97> and a suicide relay
[3:41] <AC`97> so no need to pull power... and just flip switch to start back on.
[3:41] <leftyfb> I have a status LED to show when the airplay service is running
[3:41] <leftyfb> wait
[3:41] <leftyfb> I don't follow
[3:41] <leftyfb> but I think it's something I might want
[3:42] <AC`97> RPi controls a relay. Switch provides power to RPi and signal to GPIO.
[3:42] <AC`97> swith power on, RPi gets power, boots up, turns on relay to supply power to itself in parallel with switch
[3:42] <leftyfb> oh man
[3:42] <leftyfb> I need that
[3:42] <AC`97> when switch gets flipped off, switch power and gpio signal are gone. RPi's suicide relay is still supplying power
[3:43] <AC`97> then RPi initiates shutdown sequence, and gpio gets reset after poweroff, flipping off relay
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[3:43] <leftyfb> got a link for the relay and possible how you wired it up?
[3:44] <AC`97> er, i'm electronics illiterate. i just hook it up however it works O.o
[3:44] <leftyfb> ok, but you bought the relay righT?
[3:44] <AC`97> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5V-2-4-8-Channel-Electronic-Relay-Module-for-Arduino-8051-ARM-PIC-AVR-DSP-TTL-/160826465383
[3:44] <AC`97> i bought the 2-relay board
[3:44] <AC`97> the inputs need to be pulled low (grounded) to activate relay
[3:45] <AC`97> http://goo.gl/JdDt1
[3:45] <AC`97> ^ here's my pi
[3:46] <AC`97> in place of a "switch", i have another relay controlled by motorcycle ignition
[3:46] <AC`97> but i can still attach a switch to that separate relay for testing/debugging
[3:46] <leftyfb> nice wiring for the securing
[3:46] <AC`97> [:
[3:47] <leftyfb> what does it do?
[3:47] <AC`97> paperclips are useful.
[3:47] <AC`97> wardriving, tool for breaking and entering, blah blah
[3:49] <cerjam2> ooo thats illegals!
[3:49] <markbook> only if you use it.
[3:50] <AC`97> only if i get caught.
[3:51] <PiRocketman> The first rule of not getting caught is to not advertise your illegal activities on the internet....
[3:51] <PiRocketman> Just saying!
[3:51] <AC`97> who am i
[3:51] <cerjam2> ill advertise my illegal actitives
[3:51] <cerjam2> im a dirty pirate, arggggh.
[3:51] <markbook> oh, it's illegal either way. But no one cares until caught
[3:51] <markbook> get a bath. Clean pirates are much easier to enjoy a beer with.
[3:52] <cerjam2> there is no such thing as a /clean/ pirate!
[3:52] <AC`97> you were born on a pirate shit?
[3:52] <AC`97> ship*
[3:52] <AC`97> typo
[3:52] <cerjam2> NO FOUL LAGNUAGE
[3:52] <AC`97> the keys are like, right next to each other
[3:52] <PiRocketman> Anyone else have a good option for offline Wikipedia browsing/searching on Linux other than Kiwix? I've compiled it and it is just ridiculously slow on the Pi.
[3:52] <cerjam2> IM TELLING
[3:53] <cerjam2> for some reason i suspect searching through a large database like wikipedia is going to be slow no matter how you do it on a pi
[3:54] <chithead> PiRocketman: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/01/26/update-on-offline-wikimedia-projects/ has some links
[3:54] <PiRocketman> Well, I've seen plenty of implementations of offline wikipedia that run perfectly acceptably on a Symbian phone for instance
[3:54] <PiRocketman> Had a copy on my N900 phone for that matter
[3:55] <chithead> kiwix is based on xulrunner so not exactly light on resources. the other readers often strip the html and keep text+images
[3:55] <PiRocketman> Yeah, Xulrunner-bin is eating up most of my CPU and ram right now.
[3:56] <cerjam2> PiRocketman, how much of wikipedia are you doing
[3:57] <PiRocketman> 170ish MB is ridiculous for what amounts to a basic web browser
[3:57] <cerjam2> what do you expect, people dont care about optimizing ram no more
[3:57] <PiRocketman> Oh, just around 10 GB or so :)
[3:57] <cerjam2> we all got 32gb+!
[3:57] <PiRocketman> Thats the whole English wikipedia in .zim format
[3:58] <cerjam2> ..its only 10gb?
[3:58] <chithead> kiwix wants to render all wiki pages how they appear in a web browser. this requires the ability to parse html
[3:58] <PiRocketman> text only
[3:58] <cerjam2> got a link to this, by chance.
[3:58] <PiRocketman> Yeah, but basic html parsing doesn't take 170 MB
[3:58] <PiRocketman> I had to compile from source, cerjam2
[3:59] <PiRocketman> I'll tar up the results if I feel they are usable
[3:59] <Xpl01t> does anybody got aircrack-ng working on your Pis?
[3:59] <chithead> http://download.kiwix.org/zim/0.9/
[3:59] <chithead> 10gb without pictures
[4:00] <PiRocketman> I am using the copy from here: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/09/download-the-text-of-the-entire-english-wikipedia/
[4:00] <markbook> why would you want to run aircrack-ng on something attached to your 56" HDTV?
[4:00] <PiRocketman> As I could torrent it for built in integrity checking
[4:01] <Xpl01t> markbook: i just want to see how many keys/sec the Pi could do
[4:01] <chithead> PiRocketman: if you look at the links, you will notice that they point to kiwix.org
[4:01] <markbook> probably not as many as your average netbook.
[4:01] <markbook> and probably about the same as a typical Android phone.
[4:02] <PiRocketman> Didn't see a link to the torrent on the main kiwix site. It is a bit of a mess.
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[4:03] <leftyfb> AC`97: ok, I have it setup to monitor for the value being 1 and when pressing the switch it grounds out and gets set to 0 .... the problem is, without pressing anything, the value isn't consistent ... it keeps changing between 1 and 0 randomly on it's own
[4:05] <PiRocketman> Doesn't look like they bother to include the search index for their files and it looks like it takes forever to build one. Seeing if my Corei7 can build it and then shift it over
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[4:11] <PiRocketman> I personally like a program called WikiTaxi for offline Wikipedia, but it is Windows only. Whole program is ~2 MB, preserves original formatting and can use up to date dumps of Wikipedia, unlike so many of these programs that just provide some copy that was made 2 years ago.
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[4:13] <cerjam2> i wanted to get wiki on my nook
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[4:22] <leftyfb> this isn't working
[4:22] <treeherder> what
[4:22] <PiRocketman> cerjam2, which nook? The tablet? Have you jailbroken it or loaded a different android version?
[4:23] <treeherder> dude read about how switches work
[4:23] <leftyfb> I have gpio25 connected to ground, monitoring says the value is 0 .... then I connect 3.3 to it to then monitor for the value changing to 1 but the whole RPi reboots
[4:23] <treeherder> you need a low-0pass type filter
[4:23] <treeherder> low-pass*
[4:23] <treeherder> oh whole rpi reboots?
[4:23] <leftyfb> what an I doing wrong?
[4:23] <leftyfb> yes
[4:23] <treeherder> what's your power source
[4:23] <cerjam2> nah, nook simple touch
[4:23] <leftyfb> treeherder: 5v/1A usb
[4:23] <cerjam2> i am not a fan of tablets.
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[4:28] <PiRocketman> Well, I think the Nook Simple Touch runs a version of Android. If you root it, there are offline wikipedia readers for android
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[4:30] <cerjam2> yeah im aware, i just dont really have the ambition to bother
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[4:33] <cerjam2> so i need to make this remote control work for rpi. i must figure it out.
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[5:33] <cerjam2> i think i shouldnt be trying to do this when im tired.
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[5:56] <AC`97> leftyfb: got it figured out yet ??
[5:56] <leftyfb> yep
[5:56] <AC`97> (:
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[5:57] <leftyfb> took a couple resisters and monitoring for grounding from high
[5:57] <AC`97> couple resistors? o.o
[5:57] <leftyfb> http://elinux.org/File:EGHS-PullUpDownSwitchProtected.jpg
[5:57] <AC`97> oh. 2 rsistors
[5:58] <leftyfb> now I'm trying to fit in an rc script to start ASAP and blink my status light to indicate that it's still booting
[5:58] <AC`97> archlinux ?
[5:58] <leftyfb> debian
[5:58] <AC`97> oh. eww :P
[5:58] <AC`97> for custom systems, i think archlinux is better
[5:59] <AC`97> easier to work with
[5:59] <leftyfb> I manage a couple thousand debian servers for work
[5:59] <leftyfb> i'm sort of used to them :)
[5:59] <AC`97> ah i see :P
[5:59] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[6:00] <AC`97> i started out with solaris
[6:00] <AC`97> (for *nix)
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[6:01] <AC`97> oh. i installed debian on my sun sparc too
[6:01] <AC`97> ... never used it again after that
[6:03] <des2> I installed OpenSolaris on a PC....
[6:03] <AC`97> did you died??
[6:03] <des2> (Solely for ZFS)
[6:03] <AC`97> wot. why not *bsd
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[6:04] <des2> I trust the original implementation of ZFS more than the port to bad.
[6:04] <des2> bsd.
[6:04] <AC`97> lol
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[6:29] <jgrevich> Is the 3.5mm jack audio out only or can I hook up a microphone to it?
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[6:31] <des2> audio only
[6:32] <des2> You can get one of those $2.50 USB audio devices that have a mic input.
[6:33] <AC`97> noise mic input*
[6:33] <AC`97> noisy*
[6:34] <jgrevich> des2: Ah, thanks. I guess that's why arecord did not list any devices.
[6:34] <jgrevich> AC`97: hah, luckily that will not matter much for my needs
[6:34] <AC`97> what are you recording ??
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[6:35] <jgrevich> AC`97: I live in an apartment and was curious if I could measure how loud my neighbors are and at what times :)
[6:36] <AC`97> ah i see
[6:36] <jgrevich> so more so, cheap mike to various walls and see if I can objectively measure the external "noise"
[6:36] <AC`97> you can probably do that with mechanical sensors :P
[6:36] <jgrevich> I don't' believe I need a good quality mike for that.
[6:36] <AC`97> and a threshold
[6:37] <jgrevich> AC`97: you're probably right, but I know how to record sound and parse audio files better
[6:37] <AC`97> indeed.
[6:37] <jgrevich> AC`97: any suggestions on the type of equipment i would need? e.g. sensors, connectors to pi (I assume usb or gpio?)
[6:37] <AC`97> i should've used semi-mechanical means to get 1's and 0's from a credit card reader, but i chose audio input XD
[6:38] <AC`97> jgrevich: only one microphone, right?
[6:38] <jgrevich> AC`97: Sometimes it's just about getting the job done asap, esp. when you're testing things out
[6:38] <jgrevich> AC`97: Well, I'd like to do more since the PI def. has enough resources for more
[6:39] <AC`97> hmm
[6:39] <jgrevich> (i live in a condo with 3 floors, I'd like a pi on each floor with 4-6 mikes on each wall or floor/wall)
[6:40] <AC`97> O.O
[6:40] <jgrevich> It's kind of silly, btu I was curious at measuring that data, visualizing it, and other experiments
[6:40] <AC`97> how much are you willing to spend? :P
[6:41] <jgrevich> right now I was going to use some USB devices with mike inputs. It's also part of my home security project in that I can verify movement/activity with sound/vibration
[6:41] <jgrevich> AC`97: spend as little as possible :) until I know what I'm doing and can refine the setup
[6:41] <AC`97> i still think vibration sensors will be better suited and cheaper to implement :P
[6:41] <jgrevich> AC`97: in the long run I"m hoping to leverage the PI as a controller device for open source home automation/security
[6:42] <jgrevich> AC`97: I'll read up on that. Especially if I can get a device that would give me 8-16/sensors per pi
[6:43] <AC`97> search for piezo transducers
[6:43] <jgrevich> AC`97: which seems more realistic with some sort of cheap vibration sensor than of the shelf consumer microphones.
[6:43] <AC`97> and you can tape them directly to a wall
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[6:44] <jgrevich> Great, thank for the keywords. I understand that to be a crystal that creates an electric current when vibrated (or rubbed against it's adjoining crystal)?
[6:44] <AC`97> yep.
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[6:44] <AC`97> my pi goes interrupt-crazy whenever i discharge a piezoelectric ignitor nearby :P
[6:45] <jgrevich> AC`97: What is a piezoelectric ignitor?
[6:45] <jgrevich> AC`97: what are you using your Pi(s) for?
[6:45] <AC`97> creates sparks. like the snapsnap thingies in barbeques
[6:45] <AC`97> or electric lighters
[6:45] <AC`97> jgrevich: motorcyclePi
[6:46] <AC`97> http://goo.gl/JdDt1
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[6:47] <jgrevich> AC`97: looks neat, but I"m not sure what I"m looking at :). What does it do?
[6:47] <jgrevich> war drive on motorcycle? :)
[6:47] <AC`97> it does it gooood
[6:47] <AC`97> ^
[6:47] <jgrevich> record g forces?
[6:48] <AC`97> maybe later
[6:48] <AC`97> but i have gps on it too, so i can least calculate g forces :P
[6:48] <AC`97> and it's a 5hz gps
[6:48] <steve_rox> whats so fasinateing about war driveing anyways? never quite understood it
[6:48] <jgrevich> where did you get that heatsink with the clips?
[6:48] <jgrevich> that looks ince
[6:49] <jgrevich> nice
[6:49] <AC`97> jgrevich: handmade. with a file.
[6:49] <AC`97> and the clips are paperclips :D
[6:49] <jgrevich> AC`97: hah, looks very well done
[6:49] <AC`97> forgot where i got the heatsink from though
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[6:50] <steve_rox> doesent really answer my question tho ;-)
[6:50] <jgrevich> old gpu?
[6:50] <AC`97> possibly. it's the right size
[6:50] <AC`97> but no holes o.o
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[6:50] <steve_rox> does war driveing have a real purpose?
[6:50] <AC`97> steve_rox: "because i can"
[6:50] <jgrevich> steve_rox: what do you mean?
[6:50] <AC`97> and my "war driving" won't be so passive
[6:51] <jgrevich> steve_rox: would it be valuable for a hacker to be able to find weak wifis?
[6:51] <steve_rox> as far as i know its driveing around logging all the access points and possible gps locations
[6:51] <AC`97> steve_rox: as well as cracking them.
[6:51] <jgrevich> steve_rox: http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2008/08/05/busted-gang-suspected-of-tj-maxx-credit-card-breach-charged/
[6:51] <steve_rox> so its about vunrablity scanning?
[6:51] <AC`97> and that's where the challenge is
[6:51] <AC`97> cracking wifi at 30+MPH
[6:51] <AC`97> coaxing packets out of APs at high speed
[6:51] <steve_rox> fun :-P
[6:52] <steve_rox> does the pi have all the wifi cracking software etc available for it?
[6:52] <AC`97> i don't know of any current tools that can do that, so i'll write my own
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[6:52] <steve_rox> im guessing it would be a slow crack
[6:52] <jgrevich> steve_rox: https://github.com/pwnieexpress/Raspberry-Pwn
[6:52] <steve_rox> yeah i downloaded that , havent got around to install running it yet
[6:52] <jgrevich> steve_rox: each step of cracking is not always cpu intensive
[6:52] <steve_rox> is it any good?
[6:52] <jgrevich> the Pwnie express is, and seems to be rather successfull
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[6:53] <jgrevich> i don't know enough about info sec to be a judge of that
[6:53] <steve_rox> used to have a copy of back track but that was before i learnt more linux so i got fustrated very fast
[6:53] <AC`97> i never used any of those instant-l33t-hacker distribution/tools
[6:53] <steve_rox> pi forces me to learn linux stuff :-P
[6:53] <jgrevich> it is very much like that, bt is far more extensive i beleive
[6:53] <AC`97> you don't really learn anything from those
[6:53] <jgrevich> where as pwnie express is geared at dropping the device somewhere
[6:53] <jgrevich> and using it as a trojan
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[6:54] <AC`97> hardware trojan :P
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[6:54] <AC`97> omg, a pi just shattered my windoh!~
[6:54] <jgrevich> AC`97: and quite effective I can imagine.
[6:54] <steve_rox> i wonder if the pi could be made to serve as a wifi access point for internet access
[6:54] <jgrevich> AC`97: how?
[6:54] <AC`97> trojan pi.
[6:54] <AC`97> :P
[6:54] <jgrevich> piezo vibrators going crazy?
[6:55] <jgrevich> bwahaha
[6:55] <AC`97> steve_rox: yes, it can
[6:55] <steve_rox> with the pi you could becaome your own wifi isp
[6:55] <AC`97> i'm doing that now, but with ad-hoc mode only at the moment
[6:55] <jgrevich> steve_rox: definitely. you can do that with even lesser equipement
[6:55] <AC`97> the pi kernel is missing some stuff for master mode, i believe
[6:55] <steve_rox> oh
[6:56] <jgrevich> steve_rox: I do that with ddwrt and an asus mobile wirelessN router when I travel
[6:56] <steve_rox> oh
[6:56] <AC`97> i want my pi to crack networks, then forward free internet to my phone XD
[6:56] <steve_rox> i havent really found any primary puspose for my pi yet
[6:56] <jgrevich> i mainly use it to provide a secure VPN for all my devices regardless of where I' am at
[6:56] <steve_rox> im just experementig with stuff i spose
[6:57] <jgrevich> AC`97: WEP/reaver do not require much cpu
[6:57] <AC`97> indeed.
[6:57] <jgrevich> reaver requires 0, ti's just brute forcing 6 digit WPS codes
[6:58] <AC`97> but it won't really be effective while i'm on the move
[6:58] <AC`97> (30MPH+)
[6:58] <AC`97> and i'll have to be working with a couple hundred of accesspoints on every trip
[6:58] <jgrevich> well
[6:59] <dennistlg> why guys doesnt use android phones with usb host?
[6:59] <jgrevich> get permission from all the people to use their wifi and skip the hack :), or risk a felony and hack it
[6:59] <AC`97> psh, nobody will know
[6:59] <AC`97> nor can they catch me :P
[6:59] <steve_rox> gonna have pringles tube antennas?
[6:59] <jgrevich> seems like a lot with wireless service being so accessible these days (not necessarily cheap)
[7:00] <jgrevich> AC`97: i would
[7:00] <AC`97> but could you ?
[7:00] <jgrevich> of course
[7:00] <AC`97> so i just passed your house in 2 seconds. how do you catch me?
[7:00] <steve_rox> land mines
[7:00] <AC`97> how do you even know it's me? :P
[7:00] <steve_rox> sorry i been in war game too long
[7:00] <dennistlg> the simple thing is to sniff network traffic on hotspots
[7:01] <jgrevich> you could spoof your maddy, but an unknown mac on the network should throw up red flags on a secure network
[7:01] <PiRocketman> I wrote some early articles on Cantenna construction and know Rob Flickenger (the guy who popularized the pringles tube antenna).
[7:01] <jgrevich> AC`97: you would hva to grab the WPA passphrase
[7:01] <PiRocketman> The pringles design actually really sucks
[7:01] <AC`97> jgrevich: handshakes ?
[7:01] <dennistlg> with luck you sniff user and pass from a flatrate user
[7:01] <jgrevich> but if you were doing attacks with something like air crack, I can see that and record that activity
[7:01] <steve_rox> maybe its a poor mans construcion
[7:01] <jgrevich> and instantly block/filter that offending macs
[7:02] <AC`97> jgrevich: what if it was just a thousand packets or so?
[7:02] <AC`97> just ~2 seconds
[7:02] <AC`97> with a mac address of one of your computers
[7:02] <jgrevich> AC`97: probably not, what's the point? to hack it you need more than that
[7:02] <steve_rox> just rember this rule " anything made by humans can be defeated by humans , its just a matter of time"
[7:02] <AC`97> jgrevich: over the course of days
[7:03] <PiRocketman> http://www.seattlewireless.net/CookieCantenna
[7:03] <jgrevich> even with WPS you have to guess 10e6 digits
[7:03] <PiRocketman> That design is mine and works lots better and you get to eat yummy cookies
[7:03] <AC`97> jgrevich: oh. i was thinking of WEP
[7:03] <jgrevich> AC`97: ahh, so like how craig venter decoded DNA (shot gun sequencing)
[7:03] <AC`97> but with WPA, i just need to grab a handshake
[7:03] <jgrevich> who cares about doing it one at atime
[7:03] <jgrevich> grab lots of random bits and reassemble later
[7:04] <PiRocketman> For a good cheap directional in a small space, biquad designs are probably better
[7:04] <AC`97> indeed.
[7:04] <PiRocketman> Much easier to weatherproof for permanent installs
[7:04] <jgrevich> well, then the next question would be, what is the minimum window that you need to grab effective data
[7:04] <jgrevich> e.g. WPA would be luck
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[7:04] <AC`97> jgrevich: very small. that's why i need to write my own software
[7:04] <jgrevich> you need the handshake, or to force the handshake
[7:04] <jgrevich> but forcing it is detectable
[7:04] <AC`97> indeed.
[7:05] <AC`97> but so what? :P
[7:05] <AC`97> hopefully 99.9% of owners won't notice
[7:05] <jgrevich> I would love you do play the cat and mouse game with me just for the challenge :)
[7:05] <AC`97> jgrevich: you're that .1%
[7:05] <AC`97> :P
[7:05] <jgrevich> yep
[7:05] <AC`97> or possibly even 0.01%
[7:05] <PiRocketman> These days, though, there are lots of high gain panel antenna designs already weatherproofed in plastic enclosures available for cheap
[7:05] <jgrevich> probably less than that nowadays
[7:05] <PiRocketman> DIY is just for fun
[7:06] <jgrevich> considering that everyone has a wifi network or some sort of exploitable device around them
[7:06] <AC`97> PiRocketman: i'm going for rubber ducky antenna. my ship antenna won't fit inside my motorcycle.
[7:06] <PiRocketman> Unless you live in a remote part of the world and can't get stuff shipped to you.
[7:06] <AC`97> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/g8VoVSnTMo4nZC1Epc_MiPzav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[7:06] <jgrevich> http://www.provantage.com/tp-link-tl-ant2424b~7TPLK01Y.htm?source=googleps
[7:06] <PiRocketman> An 8 db omni is probably what you want, just be aware that the higher the gain in an omni the flatter the signal is in the y axis
[7:07] <jgrevich> that one is tough to hide :)
[7:07] <AC`97> lol
[7:07] <jgrevich> put that on your bike and drive around
[7:07] <jgrevich> see if anyone notices
[7:07] <PiRocketman> I have a couple mag mount ones left over from my carputer days
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[7:08] <AC`97> i have already made a few compromises... such as picking a channel and sticking with it for an entire session.
[7:08] <AC`97> in order to reduce latency, blah blah..
[7:08] <AC`97> and for easier packet injection/reception
[7:09] <PiRocketman> 1, 6 and 11 are the most common default channels
[7:09] <AC`97> an ideal setup would be 12 or more wifi adapters :P
[7:10] <PiRocketman> 12 wifi adapters would interfere with each other
[7:10] <AC`97> not for receiving, i'd think
[7:10] <PiRocketman> as wifi channels overlap
[7:10] <AC`97> but i can always filter out my own transmissions
[7:10] <PiRocketman> Yes, but if you are transmitting to produce more packets
[7:11] <jgrevich> AC`97: it would make sense not to channel ho
[7:11] <AC`97> indeed.
[7:11] <jgrevich> you could always do an initial pass and audit the channel usage
[7:11] <PiRocketman> AC97 has come out with a good description of a mobile wifi jammer
[7:11] <AC`97> log with gps coords
[7:11] <jgrevich> what is your goal?
[7:11] <jgrevich> just to do it?
[7:11] <jgrevich> gain an anonymous AP?
[7:12] <jgrevich> spy on someone?
[7:12] <AC`97> crack or at least try to crack all wifi APs in my work path
[7:12] <jgrevich> have free wifi wherever you drive?
[7:12] <AC`97> :P
[7:12] <AC`97> and that too
[7:12] <jgrevich> so you can have free constant wifi?
[7:12] <AC`97> well, the free wifi thing is only to see if it can be done
[7:12] <AC`97> it probably won't work out though
[7:12] <jgrevich> why not?
[7:12] <jgrevich> it def can
[7:12] <AC`97> because i'll be moving almost the entire time
[7:12] <jgrevich> just like your cell phone hops towers
[7:13] <jgrevich> but it'd be illegal and taking from others without permission
[7:13] <AC`97> even if i had two wifi adapters, i'd still have to manage the transitions
[7:13] <jgrevich> even if it may be something as seemingly trivial as "extra water"
[7:13] <AC`97> jgrevich: psh, bicyclists running stop signs are doing illegal stuff
[7:13] <jgrevich> AC`97: transitions are fine, it would just add to latency of the connection
[7:13] <AC`97> and would cut current connections.
[7:14] <jgrevich> AC`97: yep, so perhaps it needs some sort of custom protocol or trunking of connections
[7:14] <AC`97> which is a whole load of brainf**&&
[7:14] <AC`97> :P
[7:14] <AC`97> remember that i'm computer illiterate
[7:15] <jgrevich> I wanted to do something similar, btu I'm it's personally not worth the risk to do something illegal like that
[7:15] <jgrevich> running a red light is a $300 ticket
[7:15] <jgrevich> hacking someones wifi can be a felony (i believe)
[7:15] <jgrevich> there's a huge difference in tht
[7:15] <AC`97> and having a little harmless black box under your locked motorcycle seat ?
[7:15] <jgrevich> I assume you're not a doctor, lawyer, or politician
[7:15] <jgrevich> :)
[7:15] <AC`97> lol
[7:15] <jgrevich> not necessarily harmless
[7:16] <AC`97> yeah, the fan can hurt your fingers.
[7:16] <AC`97> i put a grill over it recently though
[7:16] <jgrevich> our government drafted documents stating that acts of information sabotage can justify an act of war
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[7:16] <AC`97> wot. but my major in college was Computer Sabotage D:
[7:17] <jgrevich> it's a lot different these days than in the days of woz/jobs with blue boxes and devices to change tv channels
[7:17] <jgrevich> AC`97: use it for good
[7:17] <jgrevich> why build something for yourself when you can help multiple people build something for all of us?
[7:17] <AC`97> i sorta got in trouble because another student claimed i hacked into his laptop
[7:17] <AC`97> i was across the room D:
[7:17] <jgrevich> i think the idea is great, just morph it into something more legitmate
[7:18] <jgrevich> it's bS that we have to pay phone companies for redundant bandwidth if we could socialize and share what we already hvae
[7:18] <AC`97> giant ad-hoc network??
[7:18] * AC`97 hears a lot batteries dying
[7:18] <Syliss> Lol
[7:18] <jgrevich> it's too bad the US doesn't practice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fibre . If so, I imagine our broadband would be significantly cheaper
[7:19] <Syliss> There is a crap ton of dark fiber
[7:19] <AC`97> are you being racist?
[7:19] <jgrevich> AC`97: There's a lot of gray area when it comes to even scanning/probing
[7:19] <Syliss> No
[7:19] <AC`97> :P
[7:20] <Syliss> Google owns most of the dark fiber in the USA now.
[7:20] <AC`97> jgrevich: there were gray areas on motorized bicycles
[7:20] <AC`97> didn't stop me from putting a 52cc engine on my bicycle
[7:20] <AC`97> a whole 3ccs over the limit
[7:21] <jgrevich> If I do a scan for weak passwords of users on my system and find weak ones. It's illegal for me to test them on any other site, even if it's within my own org. It's proper to get permission first
[7:21] <AC`97> i got stopped by a police officer the only day i didn't wear a helmet
[7:21] <jgrevich> AC`97: I hear ya, i'd just be careful when we're entering an era where something like the wifi stuff you're tailing about can wind you up in jail and ruin your career (or future careers)
[7:21] <AC`97> his warning: "don't ride in the middle of the street, blocking traffic"
[7:21] <jgrevich> your motorcycle hack may land you a fine, at most
[7:21] <AC`97> there was no traffic D:
[7:22] <AC`97> single police car = traffic? there were two lanes D:<
[7:22] <jgrevich> It wasn't as easy to shoot yourself in the foot before tech was so prevalent
[7:22] <AC`97> jgrevich: homemade gun.
[7:22] <jgrevich> Syliss: Interesting.. when do we expect them to put that to practical use?
[7:23] <Syliss> Have you heard of their fibrehoods?
[7:23] <jgrevich> Syliss: I guess the google fiber rollout is moving forward, but aren't they selling it directly to the customer? I thought DF was where, in this case, google would lease it to some ISP
[7:23] <jgrevich> Syliss: no, i'll look it up
[7:24] <jgrevich> ah, very interesting
[7:24] <Syliss> They are the ISP
[7:27] <AC`97> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sensitivity-Control-Potentiometer-Sound-Detection-Sensor-Module-/350605785618
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[7:29] <jgrevich> AC`97: wow, that' looks perfect. thank you!
[7:29] <AC`97> it does require adjustment though
[7:29] <AC`97> as it only outputs 1's or 0's
[7:30] <jgrevich> AC`97: and intensity is measure in the frequency of those?
[7:30] <AC`97> sadly, i don't think there's any way to get intensity
[7:30] <jgrevich> Descriptions: Generally used to detect surrounding environment of the intensity of the sound
[7:30] <AC`97> the only thing you'll know is how often sound volume is over a set threshold
[7:31] <AC`97> jgrevich: psh, chinglish :P
[7:31] <jgrevich> AC`97: ahh, so it's a preset threshold
[7:31] <jgrevich> AC`97: hahah, thanks for the translation
[7:31] <AC`97> (:
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[7:33] <AC`97> jgrevich: hmm... perhaps there is something that will translate amplitude to pwm. but i'd imagine that'd take quite of bit of cpu processing power to decode
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[7:34] <AC`97> well not really amplitude, but volume
[7:34] <jgrevich> AC`97: I think you're first suggestion was best with a piezo transducer
[7:34] * AC`97 is audio illiterate
[7:34] <jgrevich> the more it vibrates the stronger the signal
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[7:35] <AC`97> but you still need an ADC to interface it with the pi
[7:35] <jgrevich> that's all I care about, and i'm currently doing the same thing crudely with cheap microphones
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[7:36] <jgrevich> wouldn't this help: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/gertboard
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[7:36] <AC`97> yes. but $$$
[7:36] <jgrevich> yeah
[7:36] <jgrevich> and overkill for my simple needs
[7:38] <AC`97> i want one to play around with :P
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[7:44] <Syliss> Yeah the price is stupid
[7:50] <PiRocketman> Isn't it funny how all the stuff you need to buy for the pi costs way more than the pi itself?
[7:50] <AC`97> yep.
[7:50] <Syliss> Really sad
[7:51] <PiRocketman> They are so focused on keeping the nominal cost low that it raises the cost of ownership for the vast majority of their users.
[7:51] <PiRocketman> I agreed they should try to be all things to all people
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[7:52] <PiRocketman> shouldn't
[7:52] <PiRocketman> but there are a bunch of things they could have done that wouldn't have raised the cost much that would have made the pi much more useful for average users.
[7:53] <Syliss> Like more ram?
[7:55] <dennistlg> ^^
[7:58] <dennistlg> for me 256mb is enought dont need gui stuff
[7:58] <des2> The problem is the the Pi really isn't suppose to be a media/gaming center.
[7:58] <des2> And doesn't need more memory to not be.
[7:59] <Syliss> I'm a GUI person
[7:59] <des2> Within a year I hope the price of memory drops enough they can upgrade the Pi to 512.
[7:59] <des2> While still keeping the $35 price.
[8:01] <cerjam2> if youre a gui person, what are you using the pi for
[8:01] <PiRocketman> I'm actually thinking more sensor i/o, a decent sound output, functional USB, etc...
[8:02] <PiRocketman> The USB is so deficient that most people need to buy a powered hub, which adds significantly to cost of ownership.
[8:02] <PiRocketman> Additionally, their use of MicroUSB for power adds to general flakiness and increases system cost
[8:03] <cerjam2> i enjoy the microusb power
[8:03] <PiRocketman> An inexpensive mass produced injection molded case sold at cost would also reduce total cost of ownership instead of being a profit center for their partners.
[8:03] <des2> There were certainly design deficiencies concerning USB
[8:05] <des2> If you use a keyboard and mouse you shouldn't need a powered hub
[8:05] <des2> That's why there's 2 ports.
[8:05] <AC`97> why not 3
[8:05] <des2> It's also why I think the Model A is better
[8:05] <Syliss> I want the a
[8:05] <PiRocketman> Really, cause I went through 3 keyboards before finding one that didn't occasionally drop out of have key repetition issues....
[8:06] <PiRocketman> If you put four properly powered USB ports onboard you would satisfy the vast majority of users and lower the overall system ownership cost because they wouldn't need to purchase a hub.
[8:06] <des2> I did say 'should'.
[8:07] <des2> The fact that 'should' isn't 'don't' is part of the design issue
[8:07] <des2> I hope they've learned some lessons for the model A
[8:08] <PiRocketman> I think most users are going to want to connect more than just a keyboard and mouse to their pi
[8:09] <PiRocketman> If you had 4 USB you could also throw out the built in network interface, saving money there. Let the people who want networking have it via either USB NIC or Wifi.
[8:11] <Xpl01t> I don't agree.. i like the fact it comes with an ethernet port!
[8:11] <Xpl01t> i use it headless, so no need for usb hubs
[8:11] <Xpl01t> my pi is connected only to the microusb psu and ethernet cable.
[8:11] <AC`97> it should've had dedicated ethernet.
[8:12] <AC`97> or no ethernet at all.
[8:12] <PiRocketman> instead of via bridge chip?
[8:12] <AC`97> indeed.
[8:12] <AC`97> stupid ethernet took up a usb port D:<
[8:12] <AC`97> or usb channel.
[8:12] <des2> Heh, There should probably be 4 models of Pi
[8:12] <Xpl01t> AC'97: that's why there's a model A and a model B, you choose what is better: dedicated ethernet or not..
[8:12] <Syliss> Yeah and it's limited to USB speeds
[8:13] <PiRocketman> probably also loads the cpu
[8:14] <Syliss> Well yeah, USB is CPU dependent.
[8:14] <Xpl01t> guys, there's a model you should like: it is called VIA APC...
[8:14] <des2> If the cubie board turns out to be what it is promised to be I think many Pi users would be happier with that at its $50 price point.
[8:14] <Xpl01t> it has 4 usb, ethernet, and 512 MB ram...
[8:14] <AC`97> Xpl01t: ewwww
[8:14] <Syliss> The apc is okay.
[8:14] <Xpl01t> and better processor indeed
[8:14] <Xpl01t> that all for $49
[8:14] <Xpl01t> now stop complaints about the Pi
[8:14] <Syliss> But via sucks for support
[8:14] <des2> VIA APC won't do 1080p
[8:15] <AC`97> and no gpio
[8:15] <Xpl01t> the Pi is the cheapest option... if you want 512 MB ram and 4 usb and ethernet, go VIA APC
[8:15] <Gadget-Work> At the end of the day, if you don't like it don't buy it.
[8:15] <AC`97> we don't like it, but it's cheap.
[8:15] <AC`97> and meets bare minimum requirements
[8:16] <Xpl01t> i'm happy with my pi. Befored it arive, i thought 256 MB ram was too small, but when i started run things, i noticed that all the software for the Pi are optimized to use few ram
[8:16] <Syliss> I don't care about the 4 USB. I like the microusb power tho.
[8:16] <PiRocketman> I don't think the APC is even being sold
[8:17] <Syliss> It's super limited
[8:17] <Syliss> ATM
[8:17] <PiRocketman> Cubieboard definitely has my interest
[8:17] <PiRocketman> I'm also watching these various A10 stick machines.
[8:17] <Syliss> The a10 sticks are decent. I want one for my lapdock
[8:18] <Syliss> And you can boot Ubuntu and the like from microsd
[8:18] <des2> The cubieboard has justed shipped 100 beta boards.
[8:19] <Syliss> How long ago tho?
[8:19] <Gadget-Work> cubbieboard makes the same mistake as the Pi though, connectors on every side :(
[8:19] <des2> http://cubieboard.org/
[8:19] <jgrevich> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-181-041
[8:19] <des2> Yeah I agree connectors on a single side is much nicer for a tiny board.
[8:19] <jgrevich> same thing no?
[8:21] <Syliss> That's the apc
[8:21] <des2> "nly 720p, "
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[8:21] <des2> "only 720p "
[8:21] <Syliss> VGA should do 1080i
[8:21] <PiRocketman> Actually, cubbieboard seems to be connectors on 3 sides
[8:22] <Syliss> The cubie Sata is super nice.
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[8:22] <PiRocketman> But I agree, 2 sides or just 1 would have been nice.
[8:22] <AC`97> it also has underside
[8:23] <AC`97> so 4 sides XD
[8:23] <AC`97> bwahaha
[8:25] <Xpl01t> that cubie board looks nice
[8:26] <Gadget-Work> theirs the SATA and ir port on one side
[8:26] <Xpl01t> RPis in my country are expensive... i was thinking about buy a second pi until Xmas.... i guess it's better to wait until Cubieboard launch :D
[8:27] <paul__> expensive?
[8:28] <paul__> how so?
[8:28] <PiRocketman> international shipping?
[8:29] <paul__> ?? surely it isnt that bad
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[8:31] <PiRocketman> Depends on exchange rates, import duties, etc...
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[8:32] <Syliss> I wonder how much longer for the cubie. I'd turn it into a nas/bt/cloud device
[8:32] <des2> The next was is expected in about 2 weeks. Get on their mailing list.
[8:33] <Syliss> I will.
[8:33] <PiRocketman> They are obviously not very with it with their web presence.
[8:33] <Syliss> Lol
[8:33] <PiRocketman> Honestly, mailing list? That is so 1995.
[8:33] <steve_rox> heh
[8:33] <PiRocketman> Get a freaking twitter feed.
[8:33] <Syliss> I know
[8:33] <des2> http://cubieboard.us5.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=be252bb9c824af418bc239bc5&id=27efc8ec48
[8:33] <cerjam2> twitter is horrible
[8:33] <cerjam2> a mailing list is much better.
[8:34] <PiRocketman> Yeah, but you can subscribe to a syndicated feed without giving out your email list to someone who may send you spam forever or pass your email address on to someone who does.
[8:35] <PiRocketman> I use disposable auto-forwarding addresses when subscribing to something like this, but it is a lot of work compared to just hitting unfollow...
[8:35] <cerjam2> i have no facebook and no twitter,a nd i never will
[8:35] <Syliss> Yeah. I like twitter a lot.
[8:36] <cerjam2> and im sure not registering for it just for that
[8:36] <Syliss> You don't have to. Just look at their page now and then
[8:36] <cerjam2> much rather get email
[8:37] <Syliss> Too 'hip' for you?
[8:37] <cerjam2> among other things.
[8:38] <Syliss> Lol. Prolly older than 30?
[8:38] <PiRocketman> I am into anti-social networking myself....
[8:38] <cerjam2> i'm 22.
[8:38] <Syliss> Wow
[8:39] <Syliss> Anti social... Hmmm
[8:39] <PiRocketman> I don't like to depend on things that are outside of my direct control. Too easy for companies to change policies, go bankrupt, etc.
[8:39] <Syliss> Maybe your a serial killer..... Hahaha
[8:39] <cerjam2> im a serial killer because i oppose twitter and facebook. ... i can dig it
[8:39] * cerjam2 dances
[8:40] <PiRocketman> I have a blog, but it is maintained on my own servers
[8:40] <Syliss> There is some stupid study on that
[8:40] <cerjam2> blog isnt the same thing as tweeters and facebooks
[8:40] <midnightyell> I got off Facebook a while ago when I realized that I was spending too much time on bullshit, and not enough doing things I liked, like the Pi
[8:40] <Syliss> Is your mail done thru your own servers?
[8:40] <PiRocketman> I do Twitter as well, but wouldn't touch Facebook with a 10 foot pole.
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[8:40] <des2> Facebook is much more closed than twitter.
[8:40] <PiRocketman> Not at present, but I do own the domain, so I can switch providers easily.
[8:41] <cerjam2> facebook should be burned to the ground
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[8:41] <midnightyell> facebook is fine for what it is, but in an election year it just gets me too pissed off
[8:41] <Syliss> Some companies prefer that you have Facebook and twitter
[8:41] <PiRocketman> I use fastmail.fm, which offers a lot of granular configuration of mail routing / filtering options.
[8:42] <PiRocketman> Most mail providers just have some stupid spam filtering on/off switch.
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[8:42] <PiRocketman> Fastmail you can really drill down and be very specific.
[8:42] <cerjam2> owned by opera?
[8:42] <cerjam2> interesting
[8:43] <Syliss> Yep
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[8:47] <Xpl01t> guys, i have a question about ntpd.conf: why should we set various servers? What is the server the Pi would syncronize with? the first one?
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[8:47] <djazz> hm, atouk how do you get the gpio pins? i cant see anything about that in the php
[8:47] <Xpl01t> Why various servers? If the first one fail, it will try to syncronize with the second ?
[8:48] <djazz> and codecs
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[8:50] <Xpl01t> ?
[8:51] <des2> Actually it looks ar both and compares
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[8:51] <des2> This is to give a more accuratge time.
[8:52] <Xpl01t> oh
[8:52] <Xpl01t> so it compares the time between all servers?
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[8:53] <des2> http://geodsoft.com/howto/timesync/ntphow.htm
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[8:54] <Xpl01t> des2: thanks :)
[8:54] <des2> The problem with npt is delay between the time you ask for the time and when you get it
[8:54] <des2> You have to guess the delay to remove it.
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[8:56] <des2> "By talking to several servers, it should get a fairly tight clustering of valid times and discard the times that are clearly off because the return leg was much longer or shorter than the outgoing leg or for other reasons."
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[9:02] <Xpl01t> yea
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[9:08] <asaru> is 44.4C too hot for my pi?
[9:08] <Jck_true> asaru: Should be safe up around 75C
[9:09] <Pickley> Yeah, its safe
[9:09] <asaru> seems hot
[9:09] <Pickley> thats nothing
[9:09] <asaru> my quad core doesnt run that hot
[9:09] <Pickley> lol
[9:09] <Pickley> a normal PC runs hotter
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[9:10] <asaru> i didnt get a case yet
[9:10] <asaru> its just sittin inside the box it came in
[9:10] <Jck_true> My Core 2 runs at 51C idle... Tops at nearly 90C under heavy load...
[9:10] <asaru> wow
[9:10] <des2> The cutoff is 85C
[9:11] <asaru> the cutoff for the new turbo mode
[9:11] <des2> They say 85C and below will not decrease Pi life.
[9:11] <asaru> so how does that work, i can enable turbo in raspi-config and it wont void my warranty?
[9:11] <des2> Right.
[9:11] <Jck_true> asaru: Correct
[9:11] <asaru> wow
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[9:11] <des2> Because they have a secret bit that tells when you've been bad.
[9:11] <asaru> yes i heard that
[9:12] <des2> And they make sure it doesn't get set.
[9:12] <asaru> but as long as you stay within the predefined settings in raspi-config you're fine eh
[9:12] <des2> Just like apple has a sensor in their phone that tells when it got wet.
[9:13] <asaru> heh
[9:13] <asaru> i dont buy apple products
[9:13] <des2> And cars now have black boxes that tell when you've been speeding.
[9:13] <asaru> nasty
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[9:14] <asaru> like that progressive insurance thing that tells them if you're a good driver
[9:14] <midnightyell> seems like that progressive ins thing should be hackable
[9:14] <asaru> it couldnt be that hard
[9:15] <midnightyell> There's that whole spectre of "insurance fraud" though
[9:15] <Jck_true> GPS jammer - or injecting false speed packets on the CAN bus.
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[9:16] <midnightyell> hell, just sit between the dongle and the car and translate any speeds down to a max of 60
[9:16] <des2> Some apple customers were getting denied warranty claims because the moisture sensor was defective.
[9:16] <midnightyell> maybe that would be a good use for the Pi ;)
[9:16] <midnightyell> (if the Pi had a CAN interface)
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[9:19] <Jck_true> midnightyell: Building your own Fast and the Furious style car head up display from CAN bus data :)
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[9:22] <midnightyell> Lots of new ARM chips have CAN interfaces built in.
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[9:22] <midnightyell> marry those to the Pi for the display, and there ya go
[9:22] <midnightyell> I imagine CAN -> SPI -> Pi would work nicely
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[9:57] <odin_> its arrived !!!! clap clap
[9:57] <xranby> odin_: \o/
[9:57] <xranby> and welcome
[9:58] <des2> It arrives?
[9:59] <odin_> my first Rpi
[9:59] <des2> Ah congrats.
[9:59] <des2> version 1 or 2 ?
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[10:01] <odin_> dont care :P ... looking ... version 2 I think, has 2 mounting holds mid board
[10:02] <des2> yes holes = V2
[10:02] <odin_> and no need to cut any tracks and what not?
[10:02] <Vibe> me loves holes :3
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[10:06] <Fleck> what you use for music playback on raspi?
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[10:10] <ln-> timidity
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[10:12] <odin_> anyone know of a switch input interface to USB ? like I could hookup between 1 and 8 switches and get event (much like keyboard, but after USB and electrical interface part)
[10:13] <odin_> xranby, that fix for JamVM I finally complete testing and pushed it for mainline Qt at https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,30997
[10:14] <xranby> odin_: thanks!
[10:15] <odin_> this makes it call vm->DetachCurrentThread() properly, JamVM added a workaround that project owner/maintainer did not like to add, I have a backported patch for Qt 4.7.x and 4.8.x
[10:15] <xranby> odin_: how is it running on your pi?
[10:16] <xranby> good semi good awesome etc? :)
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[10:16] <zalun> I'd like to measure a few things using rPi. I'd start with temperature. I'm a total noob in electronics - what should I look for?
[10:16] <odin_> I only took Rpi out of jiffy bag in the past hour, just mounted into clear mounting box to protect it, did get debian 4Gb MMC but it not turned on yet
[10:17] <odin_> are you asking about JamVM or QtJambi (re, 'how is it running?') question
[10:17] <DarkTherapy> zalun: an arduino
[10:17] <xranby> yes i am asking how QtJambi runs on the Pi using your last fixes
[10:18] <zalun> DarkTherapy: should I buy arduino or wait for gertboard?
[10:18] <DarkTherapy> arduino is cheap and get you into the whole electronics meets software thing..
[10:18] <xranby> when i looked at QtJami some months ago the there was still some ARM patches needed to be get merged
[10:18] <BCMM> odin_: you mean like a device for letting you see the status of some switches over USB? why not GPIO instead?
[10:18] <DarkTherapy> good place to start
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[10:21] <odin_> xranby, I have only tested JamVM on linux64, I epxect it will be a few weeks before I get Qt sorted and Java and finally look at QtJambi on Rpi, got a pretty busy week ahead
[10:22] <des2> zalun do you want to learn electronics cheaply ?
[10:22] <zalun> as well, yes
[10:22] <Fleck> ln- and mp3/flac? ;)
[10:22] <odin_> xranby, yes there are a few ARM patches that have not been merged due to in-ability to test previously, i.e. the patches were provided by someone working in embedded ARM and that person no longer has access to platform to feedback/fix problems
[10:23] <odin_> xranby, so they put on hold until we could test patches, there are other known issues with ARM that needs working through as well so now be a good time to look at that
[10:23] <des2> Buy a Ti MSP430 for $4.30 delivered or Order and wait 2 months for a Ti Stellaris Launchpad for $4.99 or buy a Chinese clone arduino for $13.
[10:24] <odin_> BCMM, I would prefer there to be an USB interface and so electrical isolation, as controller is likely to be treated badly
[10:24] <BCMM> odin_: ah. that makes some sense. though i think i've seen plans for protection circuits for GPIO
[10:25] <DarkTherapy> odin_: get an arduino, add as many switches as you need and it can communicate to the pi over USB
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[10:25] <xranby> odin_: ok, that makes sense to not merge untested code :) i will test the qtjava qt-java bindings after i have finished my investigation of audio using java investigation
[10:27] <des2> Ti MSP430 launchpads are back in stock for $4.30 and are a cheap way to learn microcontroller interfacing: https://estore.ti.com/MSP-EXP430G2-MSP430-LaunchPad-Value-Line-Development-kit-P2031.aspx
[10:27] <odin_> xranby, well we have all been anticipating Rpi delivery over past 6 months and at the time patch was put into bug tracker we knew RPi was on the way, so its been kind of deferred until now, but finally ;)
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[10:28] <odin_> is there a build system online ? maybe debians ?
[10:28] <PiRocketman> Hi odin, most Pi related development is through a distro called Raspbian.
[10:29] <PiRocketman> It is basically debian recompiled
[10:29] <odin_> does it have online build-bots and automated system ?
[10:29] <PiRocketman> to work with the ARM 6 instruction set plus hard floating point unit of the Pi
[10:29] <odin_> so I can package maintain and offer for download/install
[10:29] <PiRocketman> As Debian's arm distros only target ARM4 and ARM7 and the Pi is somewhere in between
[10:30] <xranby> odin: the raspberry pi foundation package some software themself that they like to see on the pi
[10:31] <odin_> understand, I did read that once before somewhere on my internet travels, everyone ways A9 and A10 cortex and poor 'ol Rpi
[10:31] <xranby> odin_: you need to talk to the rasbian maintainers usually they simply recompile packages from debian main
[10:31] <PiRocketman> http://www.raspbian.org
[10:32] <odin_> well QtJambi does not have debian main package AFAIK but does have launchpad ubuntu over about 6 ubuntu versions
[10:32] <Amadiro> zalun, the launchpad comes with a debugger that lets you single-step the CPU as well as look at all the registers, so if you're interested in learning how MCUs work, that's definitely a good choice
[10:32] <BCMM> odin_, xranby: there is a #raspbian if it helps
[10:34] <odin_> that MSP-EXP430G2 TI board... is it USB interface to DIP package, you buy uPIC separately, any uPIC recommendations ? and any with ethernet iface ?
[10:35] <Amadiro> odin_, it comes with a "programmer", the whole board is basically a programmer. You can then take out the IC and put it in your own circuit, if you want to.
[10:35] <Amadiro> odin_, it also comes with two ICs, so you have a spare one. Alternatively, you can also saw off the USB programmer part (it's decoupled by the jumpers) and just use the lower part of the board in your design
[10:36] <DarkTherapy> in bash I can grep through a web page to find specific words/lines of text and print it out to an LCD connected to the gpio.. I it possible to do that in python? I mean grep?
[10:36] <Amadiro> DarkTherapy, yes and yes.
[10:36] <DarkTherapy> nice
[10:37] <Amadiro> DarkTherapy, you're somewhat more flexible if you're using python, because then you can pull in an HTML parser. If you're doing it in bash, you're limited to grepping, I guess
[10:37] <DarkTherapy> I want to make an Internet radio player, with "now playing" on the LCD
[10:37] <odin_> DarkTherapy, I'm sure python has "regex" functinality, look that up, or you can just fork/system another process look up "popen"
[10:37] <DarkTherapy> yeh I'm aware of the system command
[10:37] <DarkTherapy> I'll try that
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[10:38] <odin_> DarkTherapy, lookup "iMON" for maybe a framework that maybe uses expecting things like DBus, since this is also something HTPC users have been doing for ages
[10:38] <DarkTherapy> odin_: thanks
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[10:39] <Amadiro> DarkTherapy, in bash, you'd presumably just download the page and then apply grep to the file. If the page contains a certain div tag or whatever containing the information you want, using an HTML parser in python is probably the cleanest, although it might be a bit overkill, depends on what your HTML looks like exactly
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[10:40] <DarkTherapy> Amadiro: yeh, I'll have it grep a mobile page so there's less source to look through
[10:40] <des2> odin is is usb and comes with 2 MSP430 microcontroller chips you can program and use.
[10:40] <DarkTherapy> just track listings
[10:40] <odin_> DarkTherapy, ok thats is "lirc" provides this functionality, i.e. the control system, you just need to find / create driver for Rpi and your output device
[10:40] <DarkTherapy> from a radio station
[10:40] <DarkTherapy> :0)
[10:41] <Amadiro> DarkTherapy, well, a HTML parser would replace the grepping part and wouldn't particularly care how much HTML you have, but might be harder to use if you don't have much experience programming.
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[10:41] <DarkTherapy> well I know grep very well in bash, I'll give that a go first, with lynx maybe
[10:42] <Amadiro> DarkTherapy, what do you need lynx for? You can just `wget` or `curl` the html page to a local file.
[10:42] <DarkTherapy> oh, I was thinking lynx for the source code
[10:42] <DarkTherapy> never mind..
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[11:42] <niro> Hi, has anyone managed to get a usb webcam/capture device to run at 720x576(pal)?
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[13:16] <adammw111> I'm having problems with lirc_rpi on raspbmc - http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/q/1985/1106 - does anybody know how to get it working on 3.2.27+ kernel?
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[13:48] <wmat> note: if anyone requests an account on elinux.org and has issues, please contact me and I'll set up your account. We've been having trouble with spambots autoregistering bogus accounts, so I've had to turns on account requests for now. Hopefully this will be resolved soon.
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[14:20] <Lexip> Thought I'd whip up a quick app on Raspbian just to test things, I'm looking at making a fullscreen "surface" I can draw various images/shapes to. Language of choice is c++, any hints on what sort of libraries and such would be helpful?
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[14:30] <Jck_true> Lexip: Wanna do it from within XBMC or?
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[14:30] <Lexip> XBMC? Isn't that the media centre thingie?
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[14:31] <Jck_true> Lexip: Ohh sorry - I thought you asked this in the RaspBMC channel - Was a rought weekend
[14:31] <[diecast]> trying to get sensor readins from my DHT22 (AM2302) using the Adafruit DHT package and it's not getting any data
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[14:32] <Lexip> No worries Jck_true, mondays will be mondays. :)
[14:32] <Jck_true> Lexip: Give me a second and i'll find the bookmarked link i got :D
[14:32] <[diecast]> i have a ribbon attached to the pi, with pins 2/6/7 wired to a breadboard, then the DHT22 plugged into the breadboard
[14:34] <Jck_true> Lexip: There it was - https://github.com/ajstarks/openvg :)
[14:34] <Lexip> Thank you kindly, I shall look into it
[14:36] <Lexip> Are those applications fullscreen by default?
[14:37] <Eliatrope> if SSH input is laggy with Wi-Fi adapter compared to Ethernet, is it the USB power problem?
[14:37] <Lexip> It says "clear the screen", so I'm assuming they are
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[14:40] <Lexip> Also, are those openvg libraries installed on raspbian? :)
[14:43] <Jck_true> Lexip: The openvg stuff is yeah - And it's GPU accelerated :)
[14:44] <Jck_true> Lexip: On a second note :) I've been looking at making some sort of webinterface for OpenVG - Just can't really wrap my head around it yet
[14:45] <Lexip> Cool! Can't wait to get started, just gotta finish work first!
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[14:46] <Lexip> Webinterface for OpenVG? Care to explain? :)
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[14:49] <[diecast]> where can i get bcm2835.h for the pi? i only see vchiq_2835.h on my sd
[14:49] <[diecast]> need to recompile this dht sensing app
[14:49] <Hodapp> Jck_true: Hmm, if OpenVG is supported on Raspbian, I may have some things I'd like to make
[14:50] <Jck_true> Lexip: My thought was to create a TCP server that accepted graphic commands - (Meaning you could interface it from just about any scripting/programming language or even a remote device)
[14:51] <Lexip> Aah like that, that's a pretty interesting idea, I can't think of a good usage for it(damn monday!), but it sounds like fun
[14:52] <Jck_true> Lexip: My main future goal of the rasp seems to be simple cheap "output X data to a HDMI screen" - and I would love to avoid using an X server
[14:52] <Lexip> Ah, there we have it!
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[14:53] <Jck_true> Lexip: Signage systems... Clock/Weather/RSS headlines/Engine temperature/ Whatever you can interface your raspberry too
[14:53] <Lexip> Now with the Rpi is the first time I've taken on Linux programming hehe
[14:53] <Jck_true> Lexip: Same :)
[14:53] <Lexip> Ah sweet
[14:54] <Lexip> Can you run graphical programs without doing the whole "startx"?
[14:54] <Jck_true> Not to my knowlegde...
[14:54] <Squirm> it will start the graphical environment
[14:54] <[diecast]> Lexip: via remote?
[14:54] <[diecast]> as in vnc or such
[14:54] <Lexip> So without the "graphical environment", you can't draw to the screen?
[14:54] <Lexip> No just on screen [diecast]
[14:55] <[diecast]> sure you can
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[14:55] <Jck_true> Lexip: You can draw with stuff like OpenVG or GL ES stuff
[14:55] <Jck_true> or raw framebuffer
[14:55] <[diecast]> you dont need X to use the gpu
[14:55] <Hodapp> you don't need X to use the framebuffer either, pretty sure
[14:55] <[diecast]> correct
[14:56] <Hodapp> I saw some code that did GLSL demos from console this way
[14:56] <Lexip> So would it be benefitial to not start x before running my application? If I don't need the Rpi for anything but my application?
[14:56] <[diecast]> yes, uses less resources
[14:56] <japro> you can run all the examples from the hello_p directory on the console
[14:56] <Lexip> Less 'stuff' loaded into memory, or something of the sort?
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[14:56] <Lexip> Amazing, learning some cool stuff!
[14:57] <Jck_true> Lexip: Things like window resizing - buttons - mouse etc that stuff belongs in Xserver
[14:57] <Jck_true> (Well mouse partly - Not entirely sure about that)
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[14:57] <Lexip> Does that go for input as well? mouse/keyboard?
[14:58] <Jck_true> Huh?
[14:58] <[diecast]> its just re-writing the same stuff, better off making window type apps in x with some environment kit
[14:58] * japro is currently working on a utility kit to run gles stuff
[14:58] <Nik05> ok my connection just lost...
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[14:58] <[diecast]> you can use the mouse and anything you want without x if you have time to code it
[14:59] <japro> https://twitter.com/JakobProgsch/status/249998200340103169
[14:59] <Lexip> Well I'm only really interested in the keyboard, that should be easier than the mouse?
[14:59] <japro> should update that, improved the graphics stuff
[14:59] <[diecast]> id rather just used some stripped down window management instead of writing it all though
[14:59] * japro got xbox360 wireless controllers working
[14:59] <japro> yay
[14:59] <Lexip> In fact, even my keyboard is not necessary, the idea is to send commands over the network, a keyboard would be for testing
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[15:01] <BlackBishop> how much amps does the rpi need now ? 1A for the 2 usb ports ( if they eat it all ) and how much does the ethernet/new dynamic clocking eat ?
[15:02] <nid0> the pi draws about 700mA total, with everything in use
[15:02] <BlackBishop> oh, including the new dynamic clocking ?
[15:02] <BlackBishop> I knew about 700 when it was at 700mHZ .. what about when it gets up to 1000 ?
[15:02] <chithead> the fuse at the microusb connector is rated 700mA, so it won't draw more than that
[15:03] <BlackBishop> ow .. ok ..
[15:03] <BlackBishop> how does it get to 1000 then ?
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[15:03] <BlackBishop> mHZ I mean ..
[15:03] <chithead> if you want a setup to get more than 700, you have to feed through the +5Vsb pin or back through the usb-a sockets
[15:03] <BlackBishop> hmmm .. if it can only eat 700mAh .. how can it power 2 usb devices that'd need power ?
[15:04] <nid0> increasing cpu freq doesnt inherantly increase power draw
[15:04] <BlackBishop> nid0: got that ..
[15:04] <chithead> increasing voltage will somewhat increase power consumption by the soc
[15:04] <BlackBishop> thanks for the info :)
[15:04] <BlackBishop> chithead: let's say I have 2 mini (2.5") usb drives
[15:05] <BlackBishop> those will eat alot :/
[15:05] <nid0> yes, far more than the pi will provide them
[15:05] <chithead> you will need a self-powered hub for them
[15:05] <nid0> hence plugging them into a hub not the pi
[15:05] <BlackBishop> ahuh .. ok :) thanks
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[15:05] <Jck_true> BlackBishop: Or use a Y-split cable
[15:05] <nid0> the pi is(was) rated to supply upto 140mA per usb port
[15:06] <chithead> recent revision eliminated the fuses at the usb a ports. bonus is that some hubs will feed power back into the pi, increasing your overclocking headroom
[15:06] <nid0> the rev2 boards remove the fuse that limited that, but afaik the total draw by usb is still limited by the total the pi can draw
[15:06] <BlackBishop> Jck_true: 140+140 < 500 that some devices might want/need ..
[15:06] <[diecast]> is there a devlib package for the broadcom chips, i cant find one
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[15:06] <Jck_true> BlackBishop: You plug the second USB into a wall socket... Saves you from using a hub
[15:06] <BlackBishop> nid0: how can I see what rev my board is ?
[15:06] <BlackBishop> Jck_true: true that.
[15:07] <chithead> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[15:07] <nid0> does it have holes in it or "Made in the UK" stamped on it?
[15:07] <Jck_true> BlackBishop: If it saids "made in the UK" it's new :P
[15:07] <nid0> if not, its rev1
[15:07] <BlackBishop> nid0: it has 2 holes and it does say made in the uk
[15:07] <chithead> made in UK is only for farnell, not rs
[15:07] <chithead> also some later rev.1 have fuses removed
[15:08] <BlackBishop> is there any documentation/wiki for this ? :)
[15:08] <BlackBishop> maybe some changelog ..
[15:08] <[diecast]> Rob himself said that in the workshop i went to this weekend
[15:08] <chithead> the elinux wiki contains all information about this
[15:08] <[diecast]> he said the new ones are made in UK and i held one with the stamp.. they are actually made in wales
[15:08] <Jck_true> Screwing changelogs seems to be the official policy of the raspi foundation :P
[15:09] * BlackBishop taking a look at http://elinux.org/RaspberryPi_Boards
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[15:09] <Caleb> BlackBishop: what about em?
[15:10] <BlackBishop> Caleb: nothing ..
[15:10] <Caleb> i need to see which one i have
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[15:12] <BlackBishop> I don't think mine is there ..
[15:12] <BlackBishop> I see a gac0179A on the samsung chip which isn't in the doc ..
[15:13] <trevorman> that is the manufacturing code
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[15:13] <trevorman> it will vary by batch and factory
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[15:16] <BlackBishop> damn this light, I can't see anything
[15:16] <BlackBishop> 222 K4P2G324ED-AGC1
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[15:17] <BlackBishop> what's this "Ethernet: HanRun HR901110A 1225
[15:17] <trevorman> if you're trying to read the laser markings then hold the board at angle
[15:17] <BlackBishop> tred at all angles, the lighting here just sucks ...
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[15:17] <chithead> that is the label on the ethernet jack
[15:17] <trevorman> its the part number for the ethernet socket. its useless information.
[15:17] <BlackBishop> Note: F1 and F2 are black 0 ohm resistors instead of green polyfuses ?
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[15:18] <chithead> in the first revision, these were 140mA polyfuses
[15:19] <chithead> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1929 explains this
[15:19] <[diecast]> my model is not listed there... i have the BS1228
[15:19] <[SLB]> add it :3
[15:20] <chithead> yea, there is no point in complaining about wrong information in a wiki
[15:20] <[diecast]> no time now.. gotta get ready for work =P
[15:20] <[SLB]> that's just the kind of birth date of the board though
[15:20] <[diecast]> duh, of course
[15:20] <trevorman> BS1228?
[15:20] <[diecast]> my boss is always doing stuff like that.. "hey this isnt right in the wiki"
[15:20] <[diecast]> well change it!
[15:20] <Nik05> guys what do you do to stop chinese guys trying to log into my raspberrypi? :P
[15:20] <trevorman> what part is that for?
[15:21] <[diecast]> Reedy: thats my pi model number
[15:21] <trevorman> Nik05: firewall that only lets your specific IPs through. another option is denyhosts or fail2ban
[15:21] <[SLB]> Nik05, use a secure password :D
[15:21] <[diecast]> i meant trevorman
[15:21] <Nik05> my fail2ban is at 2 tries :P
[15:22] <chithead> fail2ban is a bit dangerous, if not configured carefully it can be exploited for DoS
[15:22] <trevorman> the number on the bottom?
[15:23] <trevorman> thats not a model number. its some kind of batch code or date.
[15:23] <trevorman> chithead: if they're spoofing stuff then they're attacking your machine directly anyway and you've got bigger problems. you should be able to configure a whitelist in it.
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[15:26] <chithead> the solution is to not allow access to your machine with low-entropy secrets
[15:26] <trevorman> I just turn off password auth
[15:27] <trevorman> everywhere I need to log in from either has a key or I can retrieve a temporary key reasonably easily
[15:32] <Caleb> [diecast]: that 1228 is what week it was made in 2012
[15:32] <Caleb> which would be the 28th week
[15:33] <[diecast]> right, thats what the wiki says
[15:34] <Caleb> ours was made the same week
[15:34] <[diecast]> cool, lost brothers
[15:34] <[diecast]> reunited through irc
[15:35] <Caleb> ikr
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[15:36] <SolderPI> cat /proc/cpuinfo
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[15:37] <[diecast]> google really hides this page well - http://www.open.com.au/mikem/bcm2835/
[15:37] <Caleb> heh
[15:37] <[diecast]> SolderPI: did you want to see something from my cpuinfo?
[15:38] <Caleb> or mine?
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[15:38] <Caleb> or both?
[15:38] <[diecast]> Serial : 0000000001864fca
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[15:38] <SolderPI> na just hit the wrong window .... but the revsion will tell you your model
[15:39] <Caleb> yeah
[15:39] <Caleb> 3 on mine
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[15:44] <[diecast]> ahhh.. success.... Temp = 21.2 *C, Hum = 53.4 %
[15:44] <[diecast]> these distros should really have libraries like this installed
[15:47] <[diecast]> my breath.. Temp = 26.4 *C, Hum = 93.4 %
[15:48] <SpeedEvil> you are not alive
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[15:53] <[diecast]> what is a realistic maximum length of cable for devices connected to the pi 5v and gpio
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[15:53] <Jck_true> [diecast]: Depends on the cables quality
[15:53] <[diecast]> stranded, cheap 22awg
[15:54] <Jck_true> [diecast]: And how much current you pull through it ...
[15:54] <trevorman> [diecast]: depends on what this device is
[15:55] <[diecast]> its the DHT22 from adafruit http://adafruit.com/products/393
[15:55] <[diecast]> hmm, ok.. so once i know these things what would be a calculation to use to determine it
[15:56] <trevorman> doubt it'd be very far. few metres?
[15:56] <[diecast]> oh
[15:56] <trevorman> it depends on the protocol
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[15:56] <trevorman> and speed
[15:56] <trevorman> the faster you need to clock it, the shorter your maximum run will be
[15:57] <[diecast]> supposed to be getting 4.3k, someone tested it with an osc
[15:57] <trevorman> you can get a lot further with complicated encoding schemes
[15:57] <Jck_true> Or low /slow clock speeds
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[15:57] <trevorman> ^ + shielded cable + differential signalling
[15:57] <trevorman> lots of options
[15:58] <trevorman> there isn't a single formula that will say yes <random device A> will work fine up to <X> metres using <Y> AWG cable
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[15:59] <Jck_true> you can do the math on power waste through - Sure it can be found on google... Maximum draw is 50mA - Sensor takes 3.5mA
[16:00] <trevorman> yeah true
[16:00] <[diecast]> that sounds reasonable
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[16:00] * Jck_true shrugs his head at his MicroUSB cable that drops 5V to 4.3V over just 60cm...
[16:00] <[diecast]> im probably not going to be able to achieve the distance i want... ill just situate the board closer
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[16:01] <trevorman> sensor + cheap PIC/AVR + RS485 transceiver and put it on a multidrop bus
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[16:02] <[diecast]> i have no idea what that means
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[16:02] <Jck_true> [diecast]: He's just pointing out how you could read the temperature reliable over longer distances
[16:03] <[diecast]> ok, so its a type of signal booster?
[16:03] <Jck_true> Conversion yeah :)
[16:03] <[diecast]> oh, 'signal booster' is not the technical term i take it ;P
[16:04] <[diecast]> i should probably get a book on this
[16:04] <trevorman> RS486 is differential so it works by looking at the difference between two signal wires. this means any induced interference should affect both signal wires and therefore get cancelled out. it also allows multidrop which means having multiple devices on the same bus.
[16:05] <trevorman> the AVR/PIC is there to interface between whatever the sensor talks and the bus. the transceiver is just a chip that does the necessary conversion to differential signalling and gives you isolation.
[16:06] <Matt> RS486?
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[16:06] <trevorman> 485
[16:06] <Matt> do you mean RS485?
[16:06] <trevorman> typo :P
[16:07] <Matt> quite :)
[16:07] <trevorman> I wrote 485 correctly above
[16:08] <Matt> there's a current loop standard too
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[16:08] <[diecast]> i was wondering if there was something like that
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[16:09] <[diecast]> some attenuation point
[16:09] <Matt> actually, my memory wasn't failing me at all
[16:09] <Matt> it's called "Current loop" :)
[16:09] <[diecast]> so the rs485 would recognize this
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[16:16] <Weaselweb> [diecast]: there is also 1-wire if you want to read temperature sensors
[16:17] <[diecast]> i hear that a lot, what does it mean
[16:17] <[diecast]> nm, reading
[16:17] <[diecast]> so much to learn
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[16:24] <Tu13es> hrm, my SD card is just about full. any tips for hunting down stuff to remove to free up space?
[16:24] <Hodapp> Tu13es: wellll, du -h --max-depth=1 and the like are your friend
[16:25] <Tu13es> yeah, that works for specific files, but i think i've removed everything short of system files
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[16:25] <axion> which distro?
[16:25] <Tu13es> raspbian somethingorother
[16:25] <wmat> can someone explain to me what the Raspberry Pi Wiki Council is?
[16:25] <tripgod> sudo apt-get clean all
[16:25] <Hodapp> Tu13es: it goes for entire directories, not specific files...
[16:26] <Tu13es> Hodapp: well, yeah, but if i know that xx system directory takes up however many megs, i can't just start deleting files randomly without knowing what they are :P
[16:26] <Tu13es> tripgod: that freed up a couple hundred megs, so that's cool
[16:26] <Tu13es> though i presume it'll be back
[16:26] <axion> remove un-needed files in /tmp. put /home on its own partition.
[16:27] <Hodapp> Tu13es: So that's why you don't do it randomly, you re-run du as you move along and you see what things are using the biggest amounts of space.
[16:27] <tripgod> Tu13es, how big is your SD card?
[16:27] <Tu13es> tripgod: 4GB
[16:27] <trevorman> wmat: dunno. news to me. looks like "Jeff" decided to do it own his own accord?
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[16:30] <pepijndevos> At what voltage do things on the raspi start to fail?
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[16:30] <pepijndevos> I heard the internet goes first
[16:31] <edh> Hei! How long would a first run of rpi-update probably take?
[16:31] <nid0> it seems to vary, some people have reported glitchiness at the slightest variation from 5v, others seem to think their pi's are perfectly stable even quite a way over or under
[16:31] <tripgod> if you change the voltage on your pi, my internet starts to fail?
[16:32] <trevorman> under 4.75 measured at TP1 and TP2 is the minimum voltage according to spec
[16:32] <pepijndevos> tripgod: not just your internet, *the* internet
[16:32] <nid0> the pi supposedly just needs voltage which is within spec boundaries, ie 4.75 to 5.25
[16:32] <atouk> edh, if i remember right, just under 10 minutes
[16:32] <tripgod> my internet _is_ the internet
[16:32] <edh> atouk: thanks. :) I'll try to be more patient!
[16:33] <pepijndevos> how often does the firmware update? And.. is it worth updating?
[16:33] <nid0> generally yes
[16:33] <atouk> but since i wasn't looking at the clock, set the timer to one cup of coffee
[16:33] <edh> i was after the vcgencmd measure_temp
[16:33] <tripgod> when something like the pi is constantly being hacked and developed, you should always update firmware
[16:34] <nid0> firmware updates for the past few releases have typically included interesting new functionality
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[16:34] <atouk> pepi, not on a schedule, and yes, always owrth updating
[16:34] <trevorman> there have been a ton of bugfixes as well so it is always worthwhile to update
[16:34] <pepijndevos> atouk: I heard they can crash the pi :(
[16:34] <edh> atouk: But shouldn't the leds be more happily active if all is right?
[16:35] <tripgod> edh, what is the status of your rpi-update?
[16:35] <pepijndevos> how do I tell whatis the latest version, and which one I have?
[16:35] <edh> tripgod: undefined, to be honest
[16:35] <atouk> not once the update is done downloading. all of the activity is sd card writes.
[16:35] <tripgod> pepijndevos, uname -a ?
[16:36] <tripgod> edh, what do you see on the screen?
[16:36] <edh> tripgod: disconnected the screen and carried it across room my router. :)
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[16:36] <edh> atouk: I see. Well, network is done. Previous write ops were pretty fast with this card. we'll see.
[16:37] <pepijndevos> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #160 PREEMPT Mon Sep 17 23:18:42 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[16:37] <axion> pepijndevos: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd version
[16:37] <pepijndevos> 337601
[16:37] <edh> tripgod: ah, well, i might just grab the screen and carry it there too
[16:37] <tripgod> I ordered this SD card from amazon, and it is so fast. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007M54E08
[16:38] <atouk> latest version is dated sept 22
[16:38] <axion> version 338245 (release)
[16:38] <axion> arch linux keeps it quite up to date automatically
[16:38] <tripgod> pepijndevos, your firmware is dated sep 17
[16:38] <pepijndevos> sep 18
[16:39] <axion> sept 20 here (without rpi-update)
[16:39] <pepijndevos> so I need to do rpi-update?
[16:39] <tripgod> if you want
[16:39] <edh> tripgod: i can ping it tho. which cant be bad
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[16:39] <Caleb> axion: arch user i see
[16:39] <Caleb> nice
[16:40] <pepijndevos> it seems to break for quite a few people: https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/issues
[16:40] <axion> Caleb: yes 10 years strong :)
[16:40] <pepijndevos> why doesn't aptitude update it, like pacman seems to do?
[16:41] <axion> because arch is rolling-release
[16:41] <Caleb> axion: ohh nice
[16:41] <pepijndevos> axion: so dis-upgrade would do it?
[16:41] <axion> not necessarily
[16:42] <axion> arch is more up to date. debian likes to hold back
[16:42] <atouk> haven't had any problems with rpi-update
[16:42] <pepijndevos> I dont' have it installed
[16:43] <Caleb> yeah i need to install rpi-update again
[16:44] <tripgod> It's not hard to install rpi-update. wget http://goo.gl/1BOfJ -O /usr/bin/rpi-update && chmod +x /usr/bin/rpi-update
[16:45] <edh> i might just give up on this try. On to the next!
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[16:46] <Caleb> that link doesnt work
[16:47] <axion> yes it does
[16:47] <Caleb> said the certificate isnt trusted
[16:47] <axion> your ca-certs might be bad. it is trusted here
[16:47] <[diecast]> trusted for me
[16:48] <Caleb> wow
[16:48] <Caleb> doesnt like me
[16:48] <DarkTherapy> date wrong on your machine?
[16:48] <[diecast]> you are not trustworthy!
[16:48] <Caleb> nope
[16:48] <Caleb> date is right
[16:48] <tripgod> Caleb, install ca-certificates ?
[16:48] <Caleb> thats it
[16:48] <Caleb> i think
[16:49] <axion> your browser looks for /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt or similar
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[16:49] <edh> boots like a charm. maybe it didnt even take
[16:49] <Caleb> thats it
[16:50] <tripgod> skeptical edh
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[16:51] <Caleb> axion: are you also a weechat user?
[16:51] <DarkTherapy> if I use wget from within my "pi" directory, where does it cache the page?
[16:52] <tripgod> Caleb, you both are
[16:52] <Caleb> well i didnt wanna version him
[16:52] <Caleb> some people dont like that
[16:52] <tripgod> cache?
[16:53] <tripgod> Caleb, only paranoid people don't like to be versioned
[16:53] <GabrialDestruir> Can the raspberry pi play divx?
[16:53] <DarkTherapy> I mean, using wget downloads whatever you ask it to, where does it save it? the current dir?
[16:53] <Caleb> tripgod: lol indeed
[16:53] <tripgod> DarkTherapy, if you use wget without any options, it downloads to the current directory
[16:53] <axion> Caleb: ofc
[16:54] <DarkTherapy> tripgod: thanks
[16:54] <axion> only 3 years there though :)
[16:54] <Caleb> heh
[16:54] <[diecast]> just disable ssl checks or whatever the option is
[16:55] <edh> tripgod: how so?
[16:55] <edh> tripgod: not that being skeptical was bad
[16:55] <tripgod> 07:49 < edh> | boots like a charm. maybe it didnt even take
[16:56] <edh> tripgod: well, if it didnt change anything, it should?
[16:56] <edh> tripgod: as in, s.th. broke while downloading
[16:56] <edh> any takers? db86eb84b84283c8fc0975e12a59ed3d /usr/bin/rpi-update
[16:57] <tripgod> is that a sum?
[16:57] <edh> md5
[16:57] <edh> yep
[16:57] <GabrialDestruir> Ok... this is odd. To enable codecs all you need to do is add mpg2=licensecodehere right?
[16:57] <Eliatrope> me has the same sum
[16:57] <GabrialDestruir> Or did I miss something?
[16:57] <Eliatrope> just upgraded
[16:57] <edh> Eliatrope: thanks
[16:57] <[diecast]> edh: i have the same sum
[16:57] <edh> [diecast]: thanks!
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[17:00] <edh> dont ask me why, but it already got further this try. maybe having open iftop and top scared it into submission.
[17:01] <axion> only forgot iotop :)
[17:01] <edh> Claims to be successful this time. Fingers crossed.
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[17:01] <edh> axion: :)
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[17:04] <edh> uname and vcgencmd version both show version leap. So: happy! Everyone, don't wet your pants if upgrade doesn't run its course. you can have min.
[17:04] <edh> e
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[17:09] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm... I don't get why my Pi is showing mpg2 disabled even though I've got the decode key and it's after august 8 firmware wise
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[17:11] <Essobi> Hmm... My pi is extremely slow..
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[17:12] <Essobi> df and w are hanging... that can't be a good sign.
[17:12] <chithead> maybe some i/o blockage
[17:13] <Essobi> hopefully nothing it stuck in a D state, and I can reboot remotely.
[17:13] <Matt> there's always sysrq
[17:14] <Essobi> I'm guessing the i2c was causing a leak
[17:14] <Essobi> :\
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[17:16] <Essobi> nope... it won't reboot. *sigh*
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[17:18] <Caleb> pi@raspbmc:~$ uname -a
[17:18] <Caleb> Linux raspbmc 3.2.27+ #168 PREEMPT Sat Sep 22 19:26:13 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[17:20] <Essobi> *sigh*
[17:20] <Essobi> Guess I need to update and see if it repeats.
[17:21] <Essobi> I was able to get my raspberry programming and talking SPI to a bare 328p @ 3.3v.
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[17:22] <GabrialDestruir> Okay.... all updated and yet vcgencmd is saying my mpg2 is disabled, guess I got sent the wrong codes or something.
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[17:23] <SgrA> Hi, could someone pastebin their /etc/modprobe.d/raspi-blacklist.conf ?
[17:23] <linuxstb> GabrialDestruir: How do you test if mpeg2 is enabled?
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[17:24] <GabrialDestruir> vcgencmd codec_enabled mpg2
[17:24] <linuxstb> GabrialDestruir: And the config.txt line is "decode_MPG2=0x12345678"
[17:24] <GabrialDestruir> Mhm
[17:24] <atouk> 12345678? really?
[17:24] <GabrialDestruir> copied straight from the email so I know it's correct, add via ssh using nano
[17:24] <Essobi> lol
[17:24] <atouk> if you did, that ISN"T your code
[17:24] <linuxstb> GabrialDestruir: The vcgencmd should be "MPG2" (upper case)
[17:25] <Essobi> Sounds like you had a stray space or something.
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[17:25] <GabrialDestruir> aha
[17:25] <atouk> wait for the next email. and re-read the one you got
[17:25] <GabrialDestruir> That's what it was xD
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[17:25] <GabrialDestruir> MPG2 pops back enabled mpg2 does not
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[17:26] <linuxstb> GabrialDestruir: I just tried it on my Pi (where I know mpeg2 is working), and also got "disabled"? So I guess MPG2 like the config file.
[17:26] <GabrialDestruir> Darn you case sensitive linux commands!
[17:26] <`mx> hi I am having issues getting the propper screen resoloution on my LCD tv using Composite. It keeps showing up in 4:3.
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[17:27] <GabrialDestruir> No luck....
[17:27] <GabrialDestruir> apparently my Entire 210GBs of Doctor Who isn't using mpg2
[17:28] <linuxstb> What does the "file" command say about one of them?
[17:28] <Matt> I was about to suggest that
[17:28] <Matt> "file" is remarkably handy
[17:28] <linuxstb> Matt: It is indeed ;)
[17:28] <SgrA> Hi, could someone pastebin their /etc/modprobe.d/raspi-blacklist.conf ? I tried a pretty high overclock, and had some corruption. I cleared most of it up on the desktop using fsck, but this particular file looks like a bash script. Would be useful if some Raspbian user pastebins their /etc/modprobe.d/raspi-blacklist.conf .
[17:29] <Matt> for example
[17:29] <Matt> $ file 4184_20120505045800.mpg
[17:29] <Matt> 4184_20120505045800.mpg: MPEG sequence, v2, program multiplex
[17:29] <Essobi> Okay... Rebooted.. That was strange. I'll do an apt-get update I guess, and see if it persists.
[17:30] <linuxstb> SgrA: http://pastebin.com/GQPQ5LuJ
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[17:30] <SgrA> linuxstb: Thanks.
[17:30] <Hoerie> <+GabrialDestruir> apparently my Entire 210GBs of Doctor Who isn't using mpg2 <-- if you have the same as me it is MPEG-4 visual (divx4) with vorbis audio
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[17:31] <linuxstb> Hoerie: Can the Pi play that? I'm guessing not?
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[17:31] <GabrialDestruir> DivX 3 Low-Motion
[17:31] <GabrialDestruir> apparently the pi can't play that
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[17:31] <ZogG_laptop> divx? really?
[17:31] * linuxstb hasn't a clue about the variations in MPEG-4...
[17:32] <ZogG_laptop> h.264 + matroska :P
[17:32] <GabrialDestruir> that's what file returned
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[17:32] <Hoerie> I get audio but no video
[17:32] <Hoerie> at least with raspbmc R4
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[17:32] <Matt> you can also get mplayer to tell you what stuff is
[17:32] <[SLB]> what does mplayer say, if you have it?
[17:32] <GabrialDestruir> They aren't my rips, I actually grabbed them from.... the interwebz!
[17:32] <[SLB]> eheh
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[17:32] <Matt> my dr.who is all mpeg2
[17:32] <ZogG_laptop> GabrialDestruir: piracy is bad :P
[17:33] <Hoerie> I'm too lazy to rip my doctor who dvds
[17:33] <Hoerie> plus the bbc asks extortionist prices for them
[17:33] <Matt> cause it was recorded with my pvr-250 from broadcast tv :)
[17:33] <Lexip> ZogG_laptop, now now, maybe interwebz is his alias, he actaully ripped them himself, for personal use.. *coughs*
[17:33] <ZogG_laptop> lexip
[17:33] <GabrialDestruir> It was the only way I was ever going to see the first 25 seasons?
[17:33] <GabrialDestruir> or was it 26...
[17:33] <GabrialDestruir> either way
[17:33] <ZogG_laptop> lol ads in ubuntu :P
[17:33] <ZogG_laptop> fail
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[17:39] <GabrialDestruir> My ubuntu doesn't have ads
[17:39] <GabrialDestruir> unless I open software center
[17:39] <GabrialDestruir> lol
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[17:47] <[SLB]> lol..
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[17:49] <ZogG_laptop> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/09/online-shopping-features-arrive-in-ubuntu-12-10
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[17:56] <nid0> amazon gets to build up a search profile for users who arent even doing anything whatsoever to do with shopping to earn canonical some cash, awesome
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[17:57] <japro> more shameless self promotion: https://github.com/progschj/pigu
[17:57] <Essobi> nid0: lol
[17:58] <AC`97> japro: so uh.. what are you promoting, exactly ??
[18:00] <japro> AC`97, i'm just writing this gles+input toolkit (mostly for my own use) but am always happy about feedback
[18:00] <japro> its essentially something similar to say glfw for desktop opengl
[18:01] <AC`97> needs moar description on page
[18:01] <linuxstb> Yes, a README would be helpful?
[18:01] <japro> yup, that is next on the list :D
[18:01] <AC`97> now on the list XD
[18:02] <Essobi> AC`97: How's that sniffer coming?
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[18:02] <Essobi> AC`97: Thought of you the other day... seems someone managed to get injection and full passive driver for the iphone wifi.
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[18:08] <GabrialDestruir> It seems to me that the vcgencmd codec_enabled would only have set codecs you could check
[18:09] <GabrialDestruir> but apparently you can just check anything like 1234 codec
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[18:10] <trevorman> it just passes it through to the VC firmware
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[19:04] <x-os> Hello all!
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[19:06] <manitou> hola
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[19:21] <Guest3298> How do I enter bootloader mode and enable rescue load ?
[19:21] <Guest3298> ntpd seems hanging without timeout...
[19:21] <Guest3298> cannot get to the prompt
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[19:26] <Caver> bootloader mode?
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[19:26] <kim-jong> Caver: yes, runlevel switching
[19:26] <sliddjur> I just came home from a 3 day vacation, and my Pi wont boot up... I can see the SD cards files when mounting on another PC. Power led is red
[19:27] <kim-jong> if only power led shines check your sd card
[19:27] <[SLB]> did you update?
[19:27] <scummos> what would happen if I put a 300 ohm resistance between +3V and an unconfigured GPIO pin?
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[19:28] <Caver> edit /boot/cmdline.txt
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[19:28] <Caver> then try putting single in the text there
[19:29] <bertrik> scummos: probably very little
[19:29] <scummos> bertrik: okay, good ;P
[19:29] <bertrik> I think the worst thing that can happen is that about 10 mA flows through the resistor and the GPIO pin which is probably safe
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[19:30] <sliddjur> kim-jong: how do I check the sd card? what should i check for? i use ubuntu/win7
[19:30] <scummos> bertrik: okay
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[19:32] <scummos> bertrik: and what would short-circuiting (no resistance) an uncofigured pin with an output pin do? that' probably be bad, no?
[19:32] <scummos> but short-circuiting an output with an input pin would be okay
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[19:33] <kim-jong> sliddjur: check ubuntu, maybe your config.txt
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[19:34] <bertrik> scummos: yes unconfigured connected to an output would be bad
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[19:34] <bertrik> I don't know the "unconfigured" state though, I'd hope that it defaults to input
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[19:35] <scummos> oh, yes, that'd be interesting
[19:35] <scummos> but it should default to input, yeah
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[19:36] <Guest3298> kim-jong: I cannot select the rescue mode bootloader mode it goes straight to kernel and it hangs at ntpd daemon, which cannot bind to public IP
[19:36] <Guest3298> so how is it fixable
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[19:37] <AC`97> Guest3298: have you tried control+c ??
[19:37] <AC`97> also, which what distro
[19:37] <Caver> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=9466&p=109760 <-- read that
[19:38] <Caver> also you can change init line to init=/bin/sh
[19:38] <AC`97> tl;dr
[19:38] <Caver> ought to get you a basic login
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[19:38] <Guest3298> yes
[19:38] <Guest3298> raspbian
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[19:39] <Caver> other thing to try, when it hangs at the ntp bit - have a keyboard plugged in and press control + c
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[19:41] <AC`97> Guest3298: have you tried the "safe mode" jumper setting ?
[19:41] <AC`97> (whatever that is/does)
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[19:42] <AC`97> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=12007
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[19:43] <[SLB]> GabrialDestruir, i see from your page now your coded are recognized?
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[19:43] <sliddjur> when exploring the sdcard from ubuntu, is the boot folder supposed to be empty?
[19:43] <scummos> "(Obviously it won't help if you've deleted start.elf...)" okay
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[19:44] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm?
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[19:44] <[SLB]> sliddjur, //boot in the second partition is just the mount point for the first partition
[19:44] <[SLB]> GabrialDestruir, is this yours?
[19:44] <GabrialDestruir> No
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[19:44] <[SLB]> ah ok nvm :3
[19:44] <AC`97> [SkG]: oh, i know whose that is
[19:45] <GabrialDestruir> That's akout's
[19:45] <AC`97> owut
[19:45] <[SLB]> ah yes right
[19:45] <GabrialDestruir> Looks like he made some major improvements
[19:45] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[19:45] <sliddjur> i dont understand. i search for the start.elf file, but nothing is found. and the boot dir is empty.
[19:45] <[SLB]> because i saw the codecs enabled and i think i've read you couldn't verify your licenses, thought it was you
[19:46] <AC`97> sliddjur: mount the first partition, and look in there
[19:46] <[SLB]> sliddjur, the sd card has 2 partitions
[19:46] <AC`97> or pull the card and plug it into a windohs computer
[19:46] <GabrialDestruir> Ah, yea I figured out the issue. Case sensitive linux and all.
[19:46] <[SLB]> oh eheh
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[19:46] <GabrialDestruir> You can type vcgencmd codecs_enabled 3492 and it's say 3492=disabled
[19:46] <GabrialDestruir> regardless of the fact there is no codec 3492
[19:47] <sliddjur> AC`97: i got start.elf and loader.bin files there yes
[19:47] <[SLB]> *codec
[19:47] <[SLB]> yea
[19:47] <AC`97> indeed.
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[19:50] <vvompy> Hi,did anyone try out the new xbmc-version from the hardfloat-repo in arch?..It's crashing my rasp all the time
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[19:58] <sliddjur> hmm. could it be the sd to micro-sd reader that is bad?
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[20:02] <vvompy> sliddjur: that was meant for me?
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[20:03] <sliddjur> vvompy: no
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[20:07] <Guest3298> is there a way to "pull" gently the sd card outside RPI ? Do I just pull it out or is it "snapped" to some spring ?
[20:07] <Guest3298> i dont wanna break anything
[20:07] <AC`97> no spring
[20:07] <AC`97> it's just friction.
[20:08] <AC`97> just make sure you pull it straight out so you don't snap the plastic holder
[20:08] <Guest3298> ok
[20:08] <AC`97> (slide it out)
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[20:11] <Essobi> AC`97: That's what she said.
[20:11] <AC`97> indeed.
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[20:15] <atouk> sudo eject /dev/mmcblk0 - if it takes more than three seconds to eject, your eject motor might be broken
[20:15] <AC`97> atouk: That's what she said.
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[20:16] <japro> well, it seems you can't do 16x msaa on the pi :D
[20:16] <japro> at least not on a 720p buffer
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[20:18] <Guest3298> I have my RPI card in the laptop now, so how do i disable ntpd starting at bootup ?
[20:19] <Guest3298> ah prolly at /etc/rc2.d ?
[20:19] <kim-jong> yes
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[20:31] <kim-jong> why is mocp eating up all my cpu whatever file i play
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[20:34] <Eliatrope> how can I stream videos from my Linux PC to TV via Ethernet and R. Pi running Raspbian?
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[20:36] <warz> hi all. my friend has a few first-gen raspberry pis and i was going to either buy them off of him, or just buy one new. has anything changed since the first-gen raspberry pi?
[20:36] <sjs205> Hello all, Does the rasbian repo have a dev branch?
[20:37] <warz> or if i bought one new todaty would it be the same?
[20:37] <sjs205> raspbian
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> evening people of pi land!
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[20:47] <kim-jong> hi gordon
[20:47] <kim-jong> how you doin
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[20:55] <sliddjur_> Hmm could it be that my sdcard has failed on me while it was on... it wont boot up only OK flashing green for ~20 seconds
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[21:07] <ebswift> has anyone worked out how to do a sudo apt-get upgrade with raspbian without destroying the image?
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[21:08] <asaru> why would it destroy the image?
[21:08] <ebswift> dunno, but can reproduce every single time with a brand new image
[21:08] <asaru> i installed latest raspbian to an sd card yesterday, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade first thing once it booted.. worked fine
[21:08] <ebswift> sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade and it's all gone
[21:09] <dreamon_> Want to autologin by starting the raspi. without any login/pw input. what can I do.
[21:09] <ebswift> as in black screen, nothing at all once power is on
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[21:09] <asaru> weird
[21:09] <asaru> it didnt even upgrade much, some python stuff mostly
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[21:09] <ebswift> i first noticed that a couple of months ago, and have been trying on and off since
[21:10] <asaru> fresh install of latest raspbian?
[21:10] <Caleb> ebswift: haha i was trying to figure out where i knew you from
[21:10] <asaru> or do you have an old image maybe
[21:10] <ebswift> yeah
[21:10] <ebswift> :) hey Caleb
[21:10] <SgrA> I compiled qemu with --static, and copied over qemu-arm to Raspbian/usr/bin/qemu-arm-static. Shouldn't I be able to chroot into it, now?
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[21:11] <ebswift> i got the raspbian image from here http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
[21:11] <ebswift> just yesterday
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[21:11] <ebswift> maybe there's a mismatch with my particular sd card...
[21:11] <asaru> yeah thats odd
[21:11] <asaru> have you seen anyone else with the same issue?
[21:11] <ebswift> 8GB sandisk class 4
[21:12] <ebswift> i did the partition resize before the upgrade
[21:12] <asaru> i did 2 cards yesterday, 1 2gb sandisk and 1 was a 4g microsd in an adapter
[21:12] <asaru> both of them installed and updated fine
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[21:12] <ebswift> did you do the partition resize at all?
[21:12] <asaru> yeah
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[21:13] <Nik05> lol
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[21:13] <Nik05> what happend there?
[21:13] <Hodapp> I am wondering the same
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[21:13] <Hodapp> no other channels seemed to have a netsplit...
[21:14] <Nik05> [SLB] what happend?
[21:14] <asaru> not a netsplit
[21:14] <Nik05> are you guys al on the same server? :P
[21:14] <[SLB]> urm did i get disconnected again?
[21:14] <Nik05> yes with alot more guys
[21:14] <[SLB]> i'm on brooks.freenode.net
[21:14] <asaru> you and about 12 other folks :P
[21:14] <[SLB]> oh eheh
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[21:15] <[SLB]> actually not netsplit from the messages i see, the server just died it seems
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[21:15] <[SLB]> i thought it was my pi dying eheh
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[21:29] <djazz> [SLB]: u got node working?
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[21:30] <djazz> [SLB]: check the new code at http://djazz.mine.nu:7000/
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[21:31] <uh> hey
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[21:32] <uh> bit stupid question
[21:32] <uh> I have a web service running
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[21:32] <uh> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:1234
[21:32] <AC`97> uh: use a pony
[21:32] <AC`97> ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer :D
[21:32] <uh> and I would like it to have decent url/name
[21:33] <uh> is that CNAME thing on the pi or should it be set from the router?
[21:33] <AC`97> uh: http://afraid.org
[21:33] <atouk> hostname
[21:33] <nid0> dyou want it to have a decent url thats internet addressable, or just on your network?
[21:33] <uh> local
[21:33] <AC`97> oh. local? o.o
[21:33] <nid0> just set its hostname and use that
[21:33] <djazz> AC`97: like this? http://i.imgur.com/XXJ8j.jpg
[21:33] <uh> for outside access I know, some sort of dyndns service will help me out
[21:34] <AC`97> djazz: ... !!! exactly!
[21:34] <uh> I would like to hide the port aswell
[21:34] <ReggieUK> anoyone know how to check whether the codec license you've given the pi is sucessful or not?
[21:34] <uh> if I set hostname then I will still have to request certain port, am I right?
[21:34] <atouk> i cry shenanigans. that desk is way too clean...
[21:35] <AC`97> ReggieUK: which codec
[21:35] <nid0> uh, yes
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[21:35] <uh> can I avoid that with CNAME setting?
[21:35] <nid0> you arent going to get round the port restriction for http access unless you put it on 80
[21:35] <AC`97> ReggieUK: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd codec_enabled MPG2
[21:35] <AC`97> etc..
[21:35] <nid0> no
[21:35] <AC`97> ReggieUK: can i get my devoice now? (:
[21:36] <uh> damn
[21:36] <atouk> you can set your webserver to listen on multiple ports, and then direct the 2nd port to the raspberry
[21:36] <AC`97> uh: you might be able to set something on your router, if your pi has a static ip
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[21:36] <uh> static ip is set, yep
[21:36] <djazz> AC`97: i took that pic a week ago, had it in my tabs still xD
[21:37] <AC`97> O.o
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[21:37] <ReggieUK> AC`97, so if that comes back and says they're enabled, does that mean the licences worked?
[21:37] <AC`97> ReggieUK: indeed.
[21:37] <ReggieUK> yay
[21:37] <AC`97> # /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd codec_enabled ponies
[21:37] <AC`97> ponies=disabled
[21:38] <djazz> D:
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[21:38] <ReggieUK> I'm asking because they sent me 3 licenses for each codec (for 3 pis) but didn't tell us which ones were which, just told us to paste all 6 licenses and it would pick the ones it could use
[21:38] <AC`97> yes.
[21:38] <ReggieUK> all well and good but I Don't want to :D
[21:38] <AC`97> bruteforcin' time ?
[21:39] <nid0> uh, the only way you'll bypass using a nonstandard port for http traffic is having a valid SRV record being served for whatever host is in use, mapping to your port
[21:39] <ReggieUK> yeah, poke em one at a time til it works
[21:39] <AC`97> there's actually a method that is fast.
[21:39] <uh> service in question is deluge web-ui
[21:39] <AC`97> each pi gets two codec keys.
[21:39] <AC`97> then you figure out which pi got enabled, blah blah, etc..
[21:40] <AC`97> ???
[21:40] <AC`97> = profit!!!
[21:40] <ReggieUK> already doing it
[21:40] <AC`97> lol
[21:40] <ReggieUK> first set of keys I used appears to have worked :)
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[21:41] <AC`97> there needs to be a function that prints out the correct key.
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[21:41] <AC`97> vcgencmd codec_key MPG2 or similar
[21:42] <ReggieUK> I thought there actually might be a little bit of a tutorial somewhere on usage
[21:42] <ReggieUK> but it appears to be jedi mind tricks and using the force time again
[21:42] <AC`97> lol
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[21:47] <atouk> sudo /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd codec_enabled steven_hawkings
[21:47] <atouk> steven_hawkings=disabled
[21:48] <nid0> -s
[21:49] <AC`97> o.o
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[21:50] <ReggieUK> is that the vocoder codec?
[21:50] <AC`97> voodoocoder?
[21:51] <atouk> +1 reggie
[21:52] <ReggieUK> AC`97, do I have to run /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd codec_enabled WVC1 each login session?
[21:52] <ReggieUK> or boot or.....
[21:52] <ReggieUK> once it's on it's on
[21:52] <AC`97> yes.
[21:53] <AC`97> no need for commands.
[21:53] <AC`97> (that's only for checking)
[21:53] <ReggieUK> :)
[21:53] <AC`97> i thought you were RPi pro O.o
[21:53] <AC`97> since you had a big fat @
[21:53] <ReggieUK> do I need to download any particular apps?
[21:53] <ReggieUK> AC`97, I've got a life outside of raspberry pi :D
[21:53] <AC`97> orly
[21:54] <ReggieUK> rly
[21:54] <atouk> BLASPHEMY!!!
[21:54] <AC`97> what do you do ??
[21:54] <ReggieUK> so whilst the pi couldn't do what I wanted I went off and did other things
[21:54] <ReggieUK> with other stuff
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[21:54] <AC`97> what did you want it to do? wash your clothes?
[21:54] <ReggieUK> no
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[21:55] <ReggieUK> be able to output better than 160x120 resolution from a specific webcam
[21:55] <thrawed> 120p is all you'll ever need
[21:55] <XsCode> seems i'm finding more and more things I can't do than things I can
[21:55] <dcm1977> Evening anyone able to offer some advice: I had an apparent freeze of my Pi (which I suspect was actually something todo with the USB hub and keyboard and mouse; which meant I had to pull the power. Now my SD card wont boot comes up with the error: Kernel Panic : VFS :Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (197,2)
[21:56] <thrawed> dcm1977: just dd your backup
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[21:57] <luxor> Hi here, I plan to store data on my SD card which one will be downloaded from the web speed limit to 250k/s. Is it a bad idea to store these files on the SD card ? because i don't have free USB port and 20GB free on my SD
[21:58] <dcm1977> thrawd: there is a project my son was doing that I don't want to loose, how would i go about just fixing or reinstalling the root partition? i presume that is the one that is at fault
[21:58] <luxor> It is a class 10 SD card
[21:58] <nid0> storing it on an sd card is fine, if itll fit
[21:58] <AC`97> luxor: what sort of data? http download?
[21:58] <AC`97> torrent??
[21:58] <luxor> torrent
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[21:58] <AC`97> make sure your cache is set big.
[21:58] <AC`97> else you'll be killin' off some sd card life
[21:58] <luxor> where can i check the cache ?
[21:59] <AC`97> er, no clue. i'm computer illiterate
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[21:59] <nid0> why would he be killing sd card life?
[21:59] <XsCode> SD card read/write failure rates are higly exagerated (sp?)
[21:59] <AC`97> XsCode: not really.
[21:59] <luxor> i heart about limit access, that's why i ask that
[21:59] <AC`97> i'm guessing quite a few RPi users have already killed a card or two
[21:59] <thrawed> XsCode: the failure rates come from using swap
[22:00] <luxor> my swap is on my USB storage
[22:00] <AC`97> torrents can be worse than swap in some cases
[22:00] <AC`97> but disregard everything i say. i computer illiterate.
[22:01] <XsCode> I use sd cards as swap /readyboost on most my machines, not had a failure yet..
[22:01] <dcm1977> ive had to reinstall my sd 3 or 4 times due to crashes that mean I have to pull the power out is that a normal experience?
[22:01] * AC`97 goes back to burning ants with a flashlight
[22:01] <atouk> has anyone done a benchmark. SD vs Thumbdrive vs LAN?
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[22:01] <AC`97> atouk: too much data.
[22:01] <AC`97> but generally, sd < thumbdrive < lan
[22:01] <thrawed> atouk: you're going to get bad rates if you're maxing out usb and ethernet at the same time
[22:02] <AC`97> actually, not sure whether usb flash or lan is faster
[22:02] <luxor> Ok so i shouldn't store data on my SD
[22:02] <luxor> for torrent
[22:02] <AC`97> you can if you want :P
[22:02] <AC`97> it's your pi, your card.
[22:02] <luxor> But my own risk ^^
[22:03] <AC`97> indeed!
[22:03] <XsCode> lan (ethernet) and USB will be the same at maximium with the lan port being a false USB
[22:03] <AC`97> i'll take that risk for you. go ahead and do it ^_^
[22:04] <luxor> i understand, but it's not only a torrent share so i don't want to reinstall my raspberrypi only for that reason
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[22:04] <luxor> i'll buy a USB multiport and plug 2.5" HDD
[22:04] <luxor> it'll fine
[22:04] <nid0> storing your torrent on the sd card is perfectly fine.
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[22:05] <thrawed> luxor: make sure it's powered
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[22:05] <luxor> Yep it will be powered thrawed
[22:06] <luxor> nid0: my raspberry is not only for that usage. Many other process run at the same times
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[22:06] <[SLB]> atouk, i get this error on your stats thingy, what could it be caused by? http://pastebin.com/3abHXwBG
[22:06] <luxor> how can i know my SD limit nid0 ?
[22:07] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[22:07] <thrawed> [SLB]: it can't find the requires, change it to include if you just want to hide the errors
[22:08] <thrawed> [SLB]: can I get a link to the stats thingy?
[22:08] <nid0> luxor: any class10 is going to be vastly faster than even your local ethernet, let alone your limited torrent speed
[22:08] <atouk> not sure on teh error. that triple /// in the iddle looks strange
[22:09] <atouk> (middle)
[22:09] <thrawed> change /var/www///phpChart_Lite//conf.php to /var/www/piwww/phpChart_Lite/conf.php
[22:09] <nid0> most class10's can read at over 30MB/s, your lan is less than 1/3 of that, and the 250k limit you mentioned is 1/120th
[22:09] <luxor> nid0: one other task for my rasp is a XBMC
[22:09] <luxor> so i usually read 1080p video with it :)
[22:09] <thrawed> nid0: that 30MB/s is for big media files, class 6 is actually better than 10 for smaller files, like would make up an OS.
[22:09] <luxor> and my SD card is a 20m/s
[22:10] <atouk> updated the gpio status area again
[22:10] <ReggieUK> pi sd limit is 20MB/s on the SD anyway
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[22:10] <AC`97> ReggieUK: false.
[22:10] <AC`97> i've gotten over 30MB before
[22:11] <chithead> no card on the rpi achieves more than 20.9mb/s http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#SD_card
[22:11] <thrawed> atouk: link to your stats page?
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[22:11] <[SLB]> moment let's see thanks
[22:11] <atouk>
[22:11] <piney0> atouk, nice status page. It's the best one i've seen yet IMO
[22:12] <chithead> some class 10 cards are even limited to 10mb/s, especially regarding write speed
[22:12] <[SLB]> there's this line in the conf file require_once($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'].'/'. _ABS_PATH_pC .'/conf.php');
[22:12] <atouk> can't think of anything else that should be on there
[22:12] <thrawed> [diecast]: and what's _ABS_PATH_pC supposed to be?
[22:13] <piney0> atouk, system uptime
[22:13] <ebswift> i just did another test that trashed my raspbian image... write the image to the card, do the first time boot, exit the config setup straight away, fix mirrors, do sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade, reboot, black screen, no flashing lights, just a red power light
[22:13] <[SLB]> i have no clue :S
[22:13] <AdMarcel> atouk, What soft are you running to get that ?
[22:13] <atouk> apache/php
[22:13] <atouk> (apache2)
[22:14] <[SLB]> i use lighttpd and php5 hm
[22:14] <piney0> nginx user here
[22:14] <[SLB]> should i set some particular dir permissions?
[22:14] <AC`97> i nginx
[22:14] <thrawed> atouk: add 'cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp'
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[22:14] <luxor> nid0, so with a HD 1080p read i think 20mb/s with torrent is not enough
[22:14] <thrawed> [SLB]: give me a copy of what you've got and I'll see if it works on my lighttpd/php5 install
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[22:15] <[SLB]> it's atouk's rar file
[22:15] <atouk> the cat thermal zone0 is what gets the temp for the gauge
[22:15] <thrawed> [SLB]: link?
[22:15] <atouk> hold on, i'll update it to latest
[22:15] <thrawed> atouk: sorry, I'm blind
[22:16] <[SLB]> oh updated? eheh
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[22:16] <[SLB]> btw later it says (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear')
[22:16] <[SLB]> paths which i don't have
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[22:17] <thrawed> [SLB]: you sure? isn't that the default php path?
[22:17] <[SLB]> indeed the first is a warning, that i could care less, but the fatal error nop :\
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[22:17] <[SLB]> mine is in php5
[22:17] <[SLB]> and i don't have the pear folder thing hm
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[22:18] <[SLB]> let me symlink let's see
[22:18] <thrawed> [SLB]: change the php to php5 then
[22:18] <nid0> luxor: I think you're overestimating how much bandwidth is needed from the SD card
[22:18] <[SLB]> eh but where
[22:19] <[SLB]> line 10 of that conf file is: require_once($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'].'/'. _ABS_PATH_pC .'/conf.php');
[22:19] <nid0> the problem is your network speed long before the limitations of an SD card become relevant
[22:20] <AdMarcel> atouk, what is the name's script ?
[22:20] <[SLB]> made the symlink, same result
[22:21] <thrawed> [SLB]: upload your script
[22:21] <atouk> www.atouk.com/piwww.rar
[22:22] <[SLB]> ^
[22:22] <AC`97> ^
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[22:23] * piney0 mumbles bad words while installing an unrar package *cough tar*
[22:23] <AdMarcel> atouk, thanks =)
[22:23] <Hodapp> rar = teh suck
[22:24] <atouk> ok, zip next time...
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[22:25] <atouk> www.atouk.com/piwww.zip
[22:25] <chithead> gz, bzip2 or even better xz
[22:25] <atouk> (whiners)
[22:25] <[SLB]> lol
[22:26] <atouk> keep it up, and i'll xmodem it
[22:26] <[SLB]> xz?
[22:26] <nid0> gogo ace
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[22:28] <thrawed> [SLB]: relative paths seems to be a bit weird, just change it to the full path
[22:28] <[SLB]> let's see
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[22:30] <[SLB]> okay, now the error is relative to another file
[22:30] <[SLB]> editing the other one too
[22:31] <atouk> the path nonsense if from phpchart. i mostly left that as it was.
[22:31] <[SLB]> yee :D
[22:31] <[SLB]> works now thanks
[22:32] <[SLB]> hm
[22:32] <[SLB]> spoke too soon
[22:32] <atouk> if you want some fun, download the original package and try to read teh code ;)
[22:32] <chithead> http://sprunge.us/ZbEQ some comparison between compressors
[22:32] <[SLB]> eheh nice thanks :D
[22:34] <thrawed> atouk: the original package?
[22:34] <[SLB]> didn't know xz and zpaq
[22:34] <nid0> thrawed: thats the top
[22:34] <atouk> phpchart_lite
[22:34] <[SLB]> atouk, have you changed something maybe in sudoers?
[22:34] <[SLB]> hmm
[22:35] <asaru> atouk: very nice
[22:35] <atouk> oops forgot that
[22:35] <[SLB]> because it looks like it can't read stuff
[22:35] <[diecast]> just use rar
[22:35] <[diecast]> its sane
[22:35] <atouk> www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[22:36] <atouk> insudoers
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[22:36] <mjr> rar is proprietary and thus not recommended
[22:36] <[SLB]> mh but i have lighttpd, maybe i should use a different user/group, lets try both
[22:37] <atouk> should put that in the readme about the sudoers add
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[22:39] <[SLB]> after putting www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL it can read freqs, voltages and codecs but can't read H and L gpios
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[22:39] <[SLB]> nor the temperature gauge
[22:39] <[SLB]> still missing some perms i guess hm
[22:40] <thrawed> I don't like that guage
[22:40] <atouk> did you install wiringpi?
[22:40] <thrawed> too bloated
[22:40] <[SLB]> yes i have it
[22:40] <[SLB]> let me update hm just in case
[22:41] <[SLB]> its updated already
[22:41] <atouk> thrawed, everything is temporary and subject to change at any time. and probly will be.
[22:41] <kim-jong> why is mocp eating up all my cpu ?
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[22:44] <thrawed> kim-jong: the museum of contemporary photography?
[22:45] <kim-jong> thrawed: beg your pardon
[22:45] <thrawed> kim-jong: I have no pardons to give sir.
[22:45] <nid0> its a media player
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[22:45] <kim-jong> o
[22:45] <kim-jong> lol
[22:45] <kim-jong> yes, moc, music on console
[22:46] <kim-jong> with its player mocp
[22:46] <kim-jong> doesn't matter if local or webstream, it eats up 100% of my cpu
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[22:49] <thrawed> atouk: you could add a warranty check
[22:49] <atouk> code?
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[22:51] <thrawed> atouk: it's the revision number in /proc/cpuinfo
[22:51] <thrawed> iirc
[22:51] <[SLB]> the msb of revision, yes
[22:51] <[SLB]> if 1 == warranty voided
[22:52] <thrawed> yeah, just check the first character, if it's a 1, no warranty
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[22:53] <misterhat> hi nummy
[22:53] <nummy> anyone use SmartSim?
[22:53] <nummy> hi misterhat
[22:54] <SgrA> http://www.darrinhodges.com/chroot-voodoo/ < I found this very useful if you're not using a Debian-based system on your host.
[22:56] <nummy> I installed SmartSim on my raspi but I have to run it from the terminal. I made a desktop shortcut but it has no icon. anyone know how to change the icon of it?
[22:56] <misterhat> ya
[22:56] <misterhat> http://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en
[22:56] <misterhat> http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/menustructure-desktopentry.html.en
[22:57] <misterhat> ik raspbian's not using gnome but lxde uses the same .desktop files
[22:57] <nummy> ahh ok, thank you sir
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[22:59] <nummy> what if there is no .png file for the icon?
[22:59] <nummy> when I start the program, it has its own icon in the upper right, but I don't think it installed a .png of its icon anywhere
[22:59] <nummy> upper left* I mean
[22:59] <nummy> this is my .desktop file
[22:59] <nummy> [Desktop Entry]
[22:59] <nummy> Name=SmartSim
[22:59] <nummy> Exec=smartsim
[22:59] <nummy> Icon=smartsim
[22:59] <nummy> Type=Application
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[23:02] <steve_rox2> netsplit?
[23:02] <advancednewbie> Ahhh
[23:03] <misterhat> nummy: you need to find a PNG
[23:03] <misterhat> the prog prolly has one somewhere
[23:03] <misterhat> anyway
[23:03] <misterhat> someone needs to develop an opengl ES plugin for mupen64plus
[23:03] <steve_rox2> you got 1ghz yet?
[23:03] <misterhat> ya i did
[23:03] <steve_rox2> what setttings
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[23:03] <misterhat> just used new raspi config
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[23:10] <steve_rox> thinking theres probly room for improvement on my settings
[23:10] <advancednewbie> wget http://smartsim.org.uk/images/topbar_logo.png
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[23:10] <atouk> ok, if i did that right, if warranty is void, bg color on the cpuinfo panel turns red
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[23:10] <chithead> better display this :p http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25289264.jpg
[23:10] <atouk> i can do that ;)
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[23:10] <atouk> anyone here have a voided pi to test on?
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> I have a voided Pi.
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[23:19] <atouk> you'd have to run the info page on a pi webserver to see if it works
[23:20] <steve_rox> how do you check for voided pi ? :-P
[23:20] <trevorman> a big indicator for voided warranty sounds annoying tbh
[23:21] <steve_rox> i dont know the cmd to check
[23:21] <chithead> [22:51:23] <[SLB]> the msb of revision, yes
[23:21] <chithead> [22:51:39] <[SLB]> if 1 == warranty voided
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[23:21] <chithead> found in /proc/cpuinfo
[23:21] <jgrevich> does increasing the GPU memory share help with things like gsteamer?
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[23:22] <nummy> to run quake, I do ,/ioquake3.arm on terminal ... how would I do this in a .desktop file? I have exec=/path/to/ioquake3.arm but it doesnt have the . in front of it like when I run ./ioquake3.arm
[23:22] <steve_rox> it says my cpu is rev2
[23:22] <jgrevich> i'm streaming 720p from the webcam but it's only getting about 5-10 fps. the cpu is only 20% taxed, what could be the bottleneck?
[23:22] <steve_rox> rev1 is void right?
[23:22] <johang> jgrevich: gst-omx?
[23:22] <atouk> yeah just did it to see if I could
[23:22] <thrawed> steve_rox: no
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> Revision : 1000002
[23:23] <chithead> steve_rox: the leftmost digit is important
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> Rev1 Pi, overvolted.
[23:23] <steve_rox> says 0002 for me
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[23:23] <gordonDrogon> that's a rev 1 Pi, no overvolted.
[23:23] <atouk> the php test should be
[23:23] <atouk> (intval(substr(shell_exec('cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "CPU revision"'), -1, 1)) && 0xf)
[23:23] <johang> I'm joining the 0002 club
[23:24] <thrawed> steve_rox: if it was voided, it'd be 1000002 instead of 0002
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[23:24] <steve_rox> lucky the pi warrenty check dont dtetect smashed sd card readers
[23:24] <misterhat> i threw my pi in the garbage
[23:24] <steve_rox> ;-)
[23:24] <trevorman> the SoC revision number and the actual raspberry pi revision aren't the same thing
[23:24] <trevorman> bit confusing tbh
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[23:24] <johang> *bit* confusing... get it? :)
[23:24] <trevorman> -.-
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[23:25] <jgrevich> johang: I'm not sure, this is the command I used to stream the video: gst-launch -v v4l2src ! image/jpeg,width=1280,height=720,framerate=\(fraction\)30/1 ! tcpserversink host= port=5555 sync=false
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[23:25] <atouk> or n english, grab the number at the end of the cpuinfo line, and bitwise AND it with 0fh
[23:25] <trevorman> jgrevich: streaming 720p as what?
[23:25] <trevorman> what codec?
[23:25] <steve_rox> think misterhat gave up with his pi
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[23:25] <misterhat> ya
[23:25] <misterhat> it's in the garbage
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[23:25] <thrawed> misterhat: did you do a danieldaniel?
[23:25] <trevorman> atouk: that makes it even harder to understand if you're not a programmer :P
[23:25] <chithead> even damaged pis fetch good prices on ebay
[23:26] <steve_rox> he killed it?
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[23:26] <jgrevich> trevorman: not sure, I would image the default is mjpeg
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[23:27] <trevorman> network utilisation?
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[23:28] <atouk> off to the store. you all find new ways to break your pi's while i'm gone
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[23:29] <jgrevich> trevorman: i don't' think so, let me check
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[23:31] <dirty_d> hey
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[23:43] <steve_rox> its too quiet
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[23:45] <japro> <euphemism> yeah! just used a joystick i dug up as control group for my game controller input code and it worked!
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