#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-09-25

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[0:43] <axion> 1000003 = rev2 overvolted?
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[0:43] <aaa801> Best way to drive a 9v moter with the pi>?
[0:43] <scummos^> there's no valgrind on the pi? :(
[0:43] <scummos^> it's probably x86only?
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[0:43] <aaa801> valgrind wait a min
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[0:43] <aaa801> thats in android isnt it O_o
[0:44] <aaa801> ye i managed to compile that for the pi =/
[0:44] <aaa801> it err, doesnt compile easily
[0:44] <aaa801> Many patchs needed etc
[0:44] <thrawed> axion: no
[0:44] <scummos^> no, nothing to do with android
[0:46] <japro> i even failed to get reasonable output from gdb
[0:46] <japro> ??? in ???
[0:46] <japro> yeah great
[0:46] <thrawed> axion: 1000003 = Model B Revision 1.0 + ECN0001 (no fuses, D14 removed) with the warranty voided
[0:47] <Mike632T> Hmm - I don't seem to be able to over clock 'dmesg grep | freq' reports 'bcm2835-cpufreq: min=700000 max=1000000 cur=700000' but '/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock arm' only ever returns '700000000' - I am keeping it busy (6 processes each running at about 16-17%CPU) and it is below the CPU temp threshold, is it a version 2 thing..?
[0:47] <blahee> at least fc17 does have valgrind-3.7.0-4.fc17.armv7hl.rpm. That is wrong arch still tho, but i believe the armv6hl is coming ,-)
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[0:49] <thrawed> Mike632T: What does "for i in {1..10000} ; do set X 1; done && cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[0:49] <thrawed> " give you?
[0:50] <Mike632T> 700000
[0:50] <thrawed> Mike632T: Okay, what does "cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" give you?
[0:50] <Mike632T> temp=51.4'C
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[0:51] <Mike632T> powersave
[0:51] <thrawed> it needs to be ondemand
[0:51] <Mike632T> Hmm that doesn't sound like a turbo mode - how to change it..?
[0:51] <thrawed> Mike632T: do "echo "ondemand" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" and then the first command again
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[0:51] <Mike632T> rgr
[0:52] <thrawed> ?
[0:52] <Mike632T> 1000000000 :-) and temp=57.8'C
[0:53] <Mike632T> many thanks - another one for my notebook..
[0:53] <thrawed> Mike632T: okay, the scaling governor will reset back to powersave when you reboot
[0:53] <thrawed> Mike632T: you'll need to set it in rc.local
[0:53] <Mike632T> Is there an easy way to make it stick ..?
[0:54] <Mike632T> Thanks - you beat me to the obvious question !
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[1:01] <steve_rox> do lithum pollimers get hot by default on charge?
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[1:01] <dirty_d> i made a neat little python webserver for searching for movies on my hdd and controlling omxplayer
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[1:02] <dirty_d> from my phone
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[1:03] <thrawed> dirty_d: xbmc has smartphone apps
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[1:04] <dirty_d> cool
[1:04] <dirty_d> ive never used xbmc
[1:04] <biker> dammit,., like 12 hours compiling xbmc
[1:04] <biker> ill start using cross compilers
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[1:04] <dirty_d> why are you compiling it?
[1:05] <biker> dirty_d, why not? lol because i found no binaries for raspbian
[1:05] <dirty_d> oh
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[1:09] <thrawed> biker: there's debs on the forums
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[1:14] <biker> thrawed, really? damn coulnd find anyone
[1:14] <biker> well at least my compilation worked :P
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[1:21] <atouk> bought some sandisk usb sticks, and they do this weird cylon pulsing thing
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[1:38] <aaa801> scummos: yes valgrind is used in android and its the same one ;)
[1:39] <aaa801> gcc debugging shiz right
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[2:16] <Gorroth> who's going to maker faire this weekend?
[2:16] <Jen> not I!
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[2:19] <Mike632T> thrawed: Thanks again for your help earlier got my Pi clocking at 900/400/400 - trick turned out to be NOT overvolting - reduced the time to load MATE desktop from 31 to about 18 seconds well worth the effort !
[2:20] <Gorroth> i'm gonna go
[2:20] <Gorroth> and i'm gonna tell lady ada to stop stealing my idea!
[2:20] <Jen> :P
[2:21] <Gorroth> actually, i'm in the middle of building something similar
[2:21] <Gorroth> but hopefully much more general purpose
[2:21] <Gorroth> problem is i can't do it fulltime like they can
[2:22] <Jen> how do you know it's your idea then, and not theirs?
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[2:23] <Gorroth> because i started work on mine 7 months ago
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[2:23] <Gorroth> but my fiancee leaving me and everything halted development for a long time
[2:23] <Gorroth> 9 months ago*
[2:23] <Gorroth> i don't think they've been doing it so long
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[2:24] <Jen> Might be worth asking instead of just assuming? That aside, nobody controls ideas
[2:25] <Gorroth> thanks for the philosophy update...
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[2:25] <Gorroth> and why would i ask? i don't care
[2:25] <Gorroth> i just want mine to succeed instead of theirs
[2:26] <Jen> If you didn't care, you wouldn't be whining about it and making out that they're stealing your idea...
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[2:26] <AC`97> initial_turbo makes my boot faster :D
[2:27] <Gorroth> Jen: i think you have a lot to learn
[2:27] <Gorroth> but that's cool
[2:27] <AC`97> <8 seconds bootup. 15 seconds total.
[2:27] <Gorroth> nice
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[2:29] <Jen> Gorroth, think you could do well not to assume :)
[2:29] <Gorroth> i think you are entirely mistaken
[2:29] <Gorroth> i just want to bitch
[2:30] <Gorroth> you just want to be a ...
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[2:31] <Jen> Watch your mouth, little one. I spoke the truth, just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to continue bitching.. but hey, if that's what you have to do to feel good about yourself, best of luck to ya :)
[2:31] <Gorroth> ooooo, big words... yeah, let's argue on the internet all day long
[2:31] <Gorroth> that sounds pretty awesome to do
[2:32] <Jen> I only argue with those who show intelligence, sorry - not those who see fit to bitch and then attack strangers.
[2:32] <GabrialDestruir> Language, this is after all a PG room.
[2:32] * atouk grabs the popcorn
[2:33] * Gorroth eats some too
[2:33] <Gorroth> Jen: please, continue
[2:33] <Gorroth> i'm going to watch a movie while you type
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[2:33] <jgrevich> biker: there's also http://www.raspbmc.com/
[2:34] <Gorroth> Jen: please don't PM me
[2:34] <biker> jgrevich, yea i know,., but i want to use the adafruits occidentails distro
[2:34] <biker> :p
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[2:35] <Jen> Gorroth, please don't be a childish namecalling narcissist.
[2:35] <Gorroth> Jen: well, i see that didn't stop you from name calling
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[2:35] <Gorroth> i mean... i'm just saying
[2:36] <GabrialDestruir> Pot calling the kettle black there, Jen
[2:36] <Jen> You've been narcissistic... so I'm stating fact, not namecalling
[2:36] <Jen> you'll find you started that.. and GabrialDestruir, see above.
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[2:37] <Gorroth> no, basically, you just got on my ass about *herp derp* "how do you know it wasn't their idea?" *herp derp* like it mattered to me
[2:37] <GabrialDestruir> I only just came in so I don't really know what all happened, I suppose I could look at the log page, but either way both of you should just knock it off.
[2:37] <GabrialDestruir> Put each other on ignore if you have an issue.
[2:38] <Jen> I'm sorry, so I'm attacked for making a valid point, and yet I'm the one in the wrong? Right...
[2:38] <Gorroth> i think you need reading comprehension
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[2:39] <GabrialDestruir> ReggieUK
[2:39] <Gorroth> anyway, this shit is boring, and i'm not here to argue with internet people
[2:39] <Gorroth> i can just firmly place you in the stereotypical geeky insensitive camp
[2:39] * atouk sugguests priceline.com
[2:40] <AC`97> atouk: suggesting to who? :P
[2:40] <Jen> Well, if you want to assume and be both incorrect and stereotypically neurotic, knock yourself out :)
[2:40] <Gorroth> cool
[2:40] <Gorroth> btw, i'll let you get the next last word
[2:40] <Gorroth> you seem to want it so bad
[2:40] <Gorroth> do it; go for it
[2:41] <atouk> those two. seems like they need to get a room
[2:41] <Hodapp> ...
[2:41] <Jen> grow up.
[2:41] <GabrialDestruir> Bah.
[2:41] <GabrialDestruir> Pot meet kettle.... again.
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[2:42] <Gorroth> anyone buy their RPi from Allied Elec? it's taking forever for them to even ship it
[2:42] <AC`97> they're busy not shipping it.
[2:42] <AC`97> :D
[2:42] <Gorroth> seems that way at least
[2:43] <atouk> used newark. got it in two days
[2:43] <Gorroth> yeah... i wonder if i can cancel my order
[2:43] <Gorroth> i ordered like 2 months ago
[2:43] <Gorroth> they don't have their crap together
[2:43] <Hodapp> Gorroth: You know, I've heard the same from a lot of other people.
[2:44] <Gorroth> yeah, i was just reading that today too
[2:44] <Hodapp> Gorroth: It's kind of crappy. I ordered mine from Newark and it came in a matter of days (maybe 2 months ago). Folks have ordered before I did... and are still waiting.
[2:44] <atouk> http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/raspberry-pi-model-b-board-only/dp/83T1943?isRedirect=true
[2:44] <atouk> they show in stock
[2:45] <AC`97> these spammers are getting on my nerves. 338 spam emails for today. and growing.
[2:45] <AC`97> lemme see how many i got yesterday
[2:45] <Gorroth> atouk: i'll speak to A-C first and see if they can cancel the order
[2:45] <Hodapp> Gorroth: By the way, good job not flying off the handle there.
[2:46] <atouk> or just order from newark, and by the time a-c ships, you'll need a 2nd one
[2:46] <Gorroth> :)
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[2:46] <Gorroth> atouk: haha, i've thougth about that, but i don't know
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> Just order one from newark, they're cheap enough it's not like you're spending a months salary on them.
[2:47] <atouk> or save it for christmas. they make great stocking stuffers
[2:47] <Gorroth> my dad might like one
[2:47] <Hodapp> GabrialDestruir: I WORK A PART-TIME MINIMUM-WAGE JOB YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD
[2:47] <Gorroth> i've told him about it, and he's interested by swears he wouldn't get one for himself
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> o.O
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> and what's minimum wage for you? lol
[2:47] <Gorroth> s/by swears/but swears/
[2:48] <AC`97> anyone has a newer revision 2 board?
[2:49] <AC`97> i noticed that the components are put on too well/accurately
[2:49] <AC`97> aren't*
[2:49] <Gorroth> on the new board?
[2:49] <AC`97> indeed
[2:50] <AC`97> except i don't have the new board >:D
[2:50] <Gorroth> that sounds disappointing
[2:50] <Gorroth> oh
[2:50] <AC`97> just in pictures.
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> They made all sorts of improvements the the new boards.
[2:50] <GabrialDestruir> Including mounting points!
[2:50] <AC`97> mounting holes*
[2:50] <Hodapp> AC`97 9_9
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[2:52] <Gorroth> in the long haul, i wonder what this is gonna do to arduinos
[2:52] <AC`97> nothing much
[2:52] <Hodapp> Gorroth: I never felt like they competed much in the same space
[2:53] <Gorroth> well, i hope it lowers the cost
[2:53] <AC`97> but i assume more noobs will go for the RPi than arduino
[2:53] <Gorroth> nublets
[2:53] <AC`97> lil noobins
[2:53] <AC`97> ?
[2:53] <Gorroth> lol
[2:53] <Gorroth> yeah
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[2:54] <Gorroth> yeah, i totally think i'm going to Maker Faire
[2:55] <asaru> i just found out about a makerspace in my area
[2:55] <asaru> meeting is tomorrow night, going to check it out
[2:55] <Gorroth> nice
[2:55] <asaru> they have a 3d printer, laser etcher, cnc lathe, all sorts of fun stuff
[2:55] <asaru> at their space
[2:56] <asaru> so if they let me be a member, i'll have access to such things, it'll be sweet
[2:57] <Gorroth> whoa, sweet
[2:57] <Gorroth> where are you?
[2:57] <asaru> milwaukee wi
[2:57] <Gorroth> oh, cool
[2:58] <asaru> milwaukeemakerspace.org
[2:58] <Gorroth> is that city techie?
[2:58] <asaru> not really
[2:58] <asaru> well
[2:58] <Gorroth> i've heard of some techie things there in the past few years... just occasionally
[2:58] <asaru> we were a test subject for some city bus tv network not too long ago
[2:58] <asaru> was pretty neat, used rfid to identify stops and display route info on screen on the busses
[2:58] <asaru> but thats all shutoff now
[2:58] <asaru> some busses still have the screens in them but inactive
[2:59] <asaru> we have a sort of festival of geekiness that happens once a year
[2:59] <Gorroth> why did they turn that off??
[2:59] <asaru> beats me
[2:59] <Gorroth> sounds cheap to keep it going
[2:59] <asaru> the first time i saw it, i researched the company whos name appears on the screens
[3:00] <asaru> they were testing it here and in some city in florida
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[3:00] <asaru> i bet they tested it and then wanted our transit system to pay for it
[3:01] <Gorroth> you should build it for them
[3:01] <asaru> the local 2600 chapter has talked about doing a wifi mesh across the whole city
[3:01] <asaru> no internet access, just info sharing/idea exchange
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[3:01] <asaru> that might be neat if they ever do it
[3:01] <Gorroth> a bbs?
[3:01] <Gorroth> i don't think that sounds very fun
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[3:02] <asaru> not really
[3:02] <asaru> more like just an open wifi mesh
[3:02] <Gorroth> it always sounds good in theory until you realize no one is around and online at those times
[3:02] <asaru> right
[3:02] <plugwash> we really are spoilt nowadays with the internet
[3:02] <asaru> i think they just wanted to be able to access each other from anywhere in the city, over lan speeds
[3:02] <plugwash> cheap high speed communications across the entire world
[3:03] <asaru> its a great age to live in :)
[3:03] <asaru> i cant wait for google 100mbit service to start appearing in more places
[3:03] <asaru> kansas city gets it first
[3:03] <plugwash> the trouble with meshes is they don't scale well
[3:03] <Hodapp> Interestingly, though, the DSL access my uncle had over a decade ago is faster than what I have here, and I live about 20 miles closer to the ISP.
[3:03] <Gorroth> you mean gigabit :-p
[3:03] <asaru> yeah
[3:03] <Gorroth> yeah, i want gigabit as well
[3:03] <asaru> gigabit synchronous for the same price as my 15/5
[3:03] <asaru> sign me up
[3:04] <asaru> hehe
[3:04] <plugwash> As a mesh grows the effective bandwidth tends to go up slower than the area covered
[3:04] <plugwash> so the bandwidth available per user goes down
[3:04] <asaru> yeah im not sure if they ever did anything, or even tried
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[3:04] <asaru> a few of the members i knew have moved since then
[3:04] <asaru> i havent been to a meeting since i was a kid
[3:04] <Hodapp> plugwash: How is effective bandwidth computed?
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[3:05] <asaru> plugwash: have you seen things like this in action?
[3:05] <plugwash> It's tricky to put an exact figure on effective bandwdith because it depends on the routes people are trying to communicate over
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[3:05] <asaru> i mean, the hospital across the street from my house has an effective wifi mesh
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[3:06] <asaru> if i put my dd-wrt router up against he window, i can get internet service from it :P
[3:06] <asaru> relatively fast
[3:06] <Hodapp> plugwash: My interest in meshes is more concerned with the results if you can effect some level of change in the habits and get a significant portion of that traffic to stay local.
[3:06] <plugwash> right, if you can keep the bulk traffic local you can reduce the scalability issues considerablly
[3:06] <plugwash> *bulk of
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[3:07] <plugwash> the trouble is some people WILL want to communicate with stuff on the other side of the mesh
[3:07] <SpeedEvil> the other way that sora works if 1/5th or so of nodes have uplinks to longer range
[3:07] <plugwash> thereby consuming bandwidth on a lot of hops
[3:08] <plugwash> SpeedEvil, yeah but I wouldn't really consider that a mesh
[3:08] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: and worse, if there are not evenly spread hops, choke points
[3:08] <SpeedEvil> I trpoed 1/50
[3:08] <SpeedEvil> typoed
[3:09] <Gorroth> plugwash: it sounds like a call for AFS
[3:09] <Gorroth> or GFS or something
[3:09] <Gorroth> a distributed filesystem so you always go local
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[3:09] <SpeedEvil> undecodable distant noise on the same frequency also screws your range
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[3:10] <Gorroth> like Fox Mulder noise?
[3:10] <plugwash> sure if the bulk of your users are trying to download a relatively small selection of files that would work
[3:11] <SpeedEvil> Gorroth: no
[3:11] <plugwash> e.g. if the purpose of the network was to be the cities pirate media source
[3:11] <Syliss> hmm
[3:11] <SpeedEvil> Gorroth: imagine a stadium of people.
[3:11] <SpeedEvil> Gorroth: you can comfortably talk to someone 5m away, if everyone is silent
[3:12] <SpeedEvil> Gorroth: now, what is the range if everyone is trying to talk to someone 5m away?
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> 0m away
[3:12] <SpeedEvil> pretty much
[3:13] <plugwash> mmm, directional antennas and multiple frequencies help to a degree but still not good.........
[3:13] <Gorroth> SpeedEvil: i know what you mean; i was just making ajoke
[3:13] <GabrialDestruir> if there's a whole crowd talking you're lucky to hear a person even if they're talking right into your ear.
[3:13] <SpeedEvil> the same problem happens with meshes with long signal ranges
[3:13] <Gorroth> the way you said it made me think of spooky noises
[3:13] <SpeedEvil> directional helps a little
[3:13] <GabrialDestruir> I want to make a Piratebox with a Pi
[3:13] <SpeedEvil> and high frequencies absorbed by terrain or air helps lots
[3:13] <GabrialDestruir> That'd be cool o.o
[3:14] <SpeedEvil> 60ghz
[3:15] <GabrialDestruir> Isn't 60ghz the satellite range?
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[3:16] <SpeedEvil> no
[3:17] <SpeedEvil> 60ghz is a range being considered for short range links
[3:17] <SpeedEvil> it is strongly abprbed by atmospheric oxygen
[3:17] <GabrialDestruir> Oh okay then.
[3:17] <SpeedEvil> and has a range of a kilometre or two
[3:17] <SpeedEvil> this does great things for the above 'distant roar' problem
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[3:32] <darknyte> alot of people in here for not much talking
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[3:34] <SpeedEvil> ask a question
[3:34] <darknyte> yeah i know i just got my slice of the pi today :P
[3:34] <plugwash> darknyte, you do realise it's 2:34 AM in the UK right?
[3:35] <plugwash> so not many of us are still awake
[3:35] <plugwash> heck I shouldn't be really
[3:35] <darknyte> where is all the usa people at i mean not everyone can be from uk
[3:37] <GabrialDestruir> plugwash, you realize that there are americans here too, right? :p
[3:37] <plugwash> a few but the impression I get is that the Pi community is UK dominated
[3:38] <darknyte> im sure there is alot f peoplein usa with pis
[3:38] <darknyte> pi's
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[3:39] <plugwash> hmm, maybe more americans here than I thought
[3:39] <GabrialDestruir> around 3,000 in the US
[3:40] <darknyte> is that it?
[3:41] <GabrialDestruir> That's how many are on the map
[3:41] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine it's not ALL of them.
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[3:41] <plugwash> Yeah but there are apparentlyy only 15K total Pis on the map
[3:42] <GabrialDestruir> Also I imagine in europe there was a lot more press coverage than here.
[3:42] <darknyte> well 50k was made on 1st batch and all them sold out right?
[3:42] <GabrialDestruir> First batch was 10k
[3:42] <chithead> with 4k produced every day, it seems that the participation in the map is not very high
[3:42] <GabrialDestruir> and there was over 100k people interested in them.
[3:42] <plugwash> The first batch was 10K, then they pretty much gave up on the idea of batches afaict
[3:43] <plugwash> and went to continuous production
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> plus with what chit said, they started producing 4k a day and they were still behind by several months
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> So that should give you and idea of how many are out there.
[3:43] <darknyte> yeah alot
[3:44] <darknyte> I can tell im going to have to get a faster internet
[3:44] <darknyte> with streaming and doing computer searches the movie keeps freezing
[3:45] <plugwash> http://www.google.com/onceuponatime/tisp/
[3:46] <GabrialDestruir> lmao
[3:47] <darknyte> I noticed free lol
[3:47] <GabrialDestruir> I can't wait til google starts expanding it's network though.
[3:47] [AC`97 TIME]
[3:48] * AC`97 just did a ctcp time on everyone here
[3:48] <GabrialDestruir> Google Fiber is suppose to be free 5Mb/s down 1Mb/s up
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[3:48] <AC`97> turns out that a lot of people here ARE in the UK :P
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[3:49] <GabrialDestruir> Well a 1 time 300 fee or a 12 month 25 fee
[3:49] <AC`97> psh, i get 20Mbps down / 1Mbps up
[3:49] <AC`97> for a price that's almost free
[3:50] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, but their $70 plan which is the one about free, is 1Gb/s
[3:50] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[3:50] <darknyte> i dunno what mine is but it needs to be more lol
[3:51] <GabrialDestruir> and you get 1TB of Google Drive space
[3:51] <GabrialDestruir> xD
[3:51] <plugwash> AC`97, hmm, I wouldn't call $40 per month "almost free"
[3:51] <plugwash> or do you get some special deal?
[3:52] <darknyte> im getting .57mbps download and .20 upload with this streaming movie going
[3:52] <SpeedEvil> well, I pay $35 ish for 2m/.5m
[3:53] <SpeedEvil> so I'd call it nearly fee
[3:53] <AC`97> plugwash: wuh ?
[3:53] <AC`97> plugwash: where did you pull $40 from? your ass? :D
[3:53] <plugwash> your ISPs website
[3:53] <GabrialDestruir> I need to build a Gigabit Router to replace my current setup.
[3:53] <darknyte> lmao
[3:53] <AC`97> plugwash: er, what's my isp?
[3:54] <plugwash> sonic.net
[3:54] <AC`97> sonic.net has $40/month internets? D:
[3:54] <AC`97> mine is actually $90/month
[3:54] <AC`97> +taxes = $100/month
[3:55] <AC`97> but that's almost free
[3:55] <plugwash> That is what http://www.sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/ says
[3:55] <AC`97> oh. that's for home
[3:55] <GabrialDestruir> That's not almost free.... that's a damn fortune
[3:55] <Syliss> lol
[3:56] <darknyte> mine is only 20 a month
[3:56] <GabrialDestruir> I'm only paying 30ish
[3:56] <AC`97> i can have all the IPs i can use
[3:56] <AC`97> the most i've used was 11 so far, i think
[3:56] <GabrialDestruir> But if Google Fiber comes to my town before I move, I could just get their 5Mb/s
[3:56] <AC`97> don't have enough devices >.>
[3:56] <GabrialDestruir> free and all
[3:57] <darknyte> i can have all the ips i want at 20 dollars
[3:57] <darknyte> but i think im bout to hit the 40 one
[3:57] <AC`97> o.o
[3:58] <darknyte> only getting .55 downlaod and .20 upload and that isnt good
[3:58] <AC`97> http://838879834/ <- good/bad/ugly ?
[3:58] <darknyte> Download speed of 768Kbps
[3:58] <darknyte> Upload speed of 256Kbps this is what i ahve now
[3:59] <AC`97> ^ eww
[3:59] <AC`97> i could get faster than that for $9/month
[3:59] <darknyte> for 40 i can get Download speed of 3000Kbps
[3:59] <darknyte> Upload speed of 512Kbps
[3:59] <AC`97> and $17/month for 3Mbps/512Kbps
[3:59] <AC`97> 1.5Mbps/384Kbps is $13/month
[3:59] <darknyte> that is 40 for us
[4:00] <darknyte> sux to be me huh
[4:00] <AC`97> i used to pay $10/month for dialup :P
[4:00] <darknyte> too bad i cant find free
[4:00] <AC`97> free dialup?
[4:01] <darknyte> no free internet
[4:01] <AC`97> ??
[4:01] <darknyte> dialup isnt internet
[4:01] <darknyte> that is wanna be net lol
[4:01] <SpeedEvil> sure it is
[4:01] <SpeedEvil> if you have the choice of zero, or dialup.,.
[4:01] <GabrialDestruir> 30 a month and I've got 7Mb/s Down 0.7Mb/s Up
[4:01] <AC`97> hey, i used to host a site on dialup
[4:01] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[4:02] <SpeedEvil> some places, dialup is the best there is.
[4:02] <Syliss> thats like my del GabrialDestruir
[4:02] <Syliss> dsl*
[4:02] <SpeedEvil> unless you go to bidirectional satellite
[4:02] <AC`97> i used to wait 3 minutes for a site to load.
[4:02] <darknyte> you had better dialup then what i ahd
[4:02] <plugwash> SpeedEvil, depends on your budget and your definition of "best"
[4:02] <plugwash> afaict you can order a T1 or similar almost anywhere
[4:03] <darknyte> *Package 6
[4:03] <darknyte> Download speed of 8000Kbps
[4:03] <darknyte> Upload speed of 2000Kbps
[4:03] <darknyte> $79.00 per month with basic cable
[4:03] <darknyte> Internet only $89.00 per month
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[4:03] <darknyte> highest net i can get
[4:03] <Syliss> ouch
[4:04] <darknyte> yeah
[4:04] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: if you're willing to spend often many thousands bringing it in
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[4:08] <plugwash> well yeah, hence why it depends on your budget
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[4:09] <plugwash> I guess it comes down to priorities, people pay hundreds of thousands for a house but baulk at spending a tenth of that to bring in high speed internet
[4:10] <darknyte> yeah true
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[4:10] <AC`97> a tenth of a house is big monies
[4:11] <plugwash> sure it is but afaict people often spend that kind of money to bring in electricity
[4:11] <AC`97> ... huh
[4:11] <plugwash> high speed internet is just not seen as critical enough by most people yet
[4:11] <AC`97> my electricity is almost free
[4:11] <SpeedEvil> you can make your own power.
[4:12] <AC`97> i have 2 solar panels here on my desk :P
[4:12] <SpeedEvil> making your own internet is harder.
[4:12] <AC`97> SpeedEvil: big antenna.
[4:12] <SpeedEvil> I have 435w in the garden
[4:12] <SpeedEvil> AC`97: that is not making your own.
[4:12] <AC`97> i think my panels are a couple watts.
[4:13] <AC`97> SpeedEvil: makin' my own access to internets
[4:13] <AC`97> -> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/g8VoVSnTMo4nZC1Epc_MiPzav7zazmzHzxRYGjwDAIA?feat=directlink
[4:13] <GabrialDestruir> Actually you'd just have to setup a MAN with an internal DNS to give out web addresses to servers on the MAN
[4:14] <plugwash> AC`97, sure but there has to be something on the other end
[4:14] <SpeedEvil> that
[4:14] <AC`97> ponies.
[4:14] <SpeedEvil> if you like horse porn.
[4:14] <AC`97> . . .
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[4:15] <darknyte> lol
[4:16] * SpeedEvil reads the topic.
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[4:16] <AC`97> "No unauthorised Bots" ?
[4:16] * SpeedEvil thought this was another group,
[4:16] <GabrialDestruir> Without a mod watching, they just go wherever they want with the convo
[4:16] <heathkid> what's the topic?
[4:17] <SpeedEvil> some may think mention of ponies in that context is foul language.
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[4:18] <heathkid> I can for a fact say for a fact the latest fixes make the tiny realtec chipset wifi dongle *reliable*
[4:18] <heathkid> they work
[4:19] <darknyte> yep
[4:19] <AC`97> not so reliable yet though
[4:19] <plugwash> <AC`97> my electricity is almost free <-- so how much does it cost to get a new electricity connection where you live?
[4:19] <plugwash> iirc here in the UK it's thousands in urban areas and far more in rural areas where you may have to pay for a new transformer
[4:19] <heathkid> Packets: Sent = 339816, Received = 338735, Lost = 1081 (0% loss),
[4:20] <heathkid> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
[4:20] <heathkid> Minimum = 1ms, Maximum = 1108ms, Average = 45ms
[4:20] <AC`97> i suppose around 2-3 hundred
[4:20] <heathkid> since last reastarting the RPi
[4:20] <heathkid> had to restart when I made changes to my security settings on the router
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[4:24] <heathkid> AC why not reliable?
[4:24] <heathkid> what problems are you having?
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[4:24] <heathkid> and where is that character on my keyboard?
[4:24] <heathkid> AC`97: found it
[4:25] <heathkid> :)
[4:25] <darknyte> lol
[4:25] <heathkid> hey.... darknyte how often do you use that one?
[4:25] <heathkid> * ` *
[4:25] <heathkid> seriously?
[4:26] <darknyte> use that symbol?
[4:26] <darknyte> `
[4:27] <heathkid> I've used it ONCE in the last three years
[4:27] * heathkid typically doesn't put quotes inside quotes...
[4:27] <darknyte> i dont htink i have ever used it lol
[4:28] <darknyte> im logging for the night see you guys tommorrow
[4:28] <misterhat> no
[4:28] <misterhat> ' is for quotes inside of quotes
[4:28] <misterhat> not `
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[4:28] <heathkid> yes... it's the left single quote
[4:29] <misterhat> ` is a backtick
[4:29] <misterhat> ' is a single quote
[4:29] <AC`97> `rm -rf /`
[4:29] <AC`97> tada!~
[4:29] <heathkid> bah
[4:29] <heathkid> a degree symbol would be much more useful on the keyboard
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[4:29] <AC`97> ?? ?
[4:29] <misterhat> ~
[4:29] <AC`97> ??_)
[4:29] <AC`97> oops
[4:29] <AC`97> ??_?? <-
[4:30] <heathkid> AC`97: you're funny
[4:30] <AC`97> (:
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[4:30] <heathkid> use the ONLY key no one ever uses in their nick... lol :P
[4:30] <AC`97> indeed.
[4:30] <AC`97> well i couldn't use '
[4:31] <heathkid> you are definitely original...
[4:31] <AC`97> OG yo.
[4:31] <heathkid> and the one and only AC`97
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[4:39] <AC`97> wheww, reduced cpu usage of my fan control script by 20%
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[4:40] <cuppsy> In both Arch and now Raspbian, my 1920x1080 monitor shows up at this random, 1864x984ish resolution with a black square around nthe edge. Even with the fbdev driver installed. Any idea what would cause that?
[4:40] <AC`97> cuppsy: overscan.
[4:41] <AC`97> disable it.
[4:41] <AC`97> disable_overscan=1
[4:41] <AC`97> kill raspbian. stick with archlinux >:D
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[4:51] <cuppsy> AC`97: Seems to be disabled by default in Raspbian. :|
[4:51] <cuppsy> And I normally run Arch (on my laptop), but Raspbian seemed to have a stronger community to start with. Will likely bounce around over time.
[4:52] <thrawed> cuppsy: Because arch sucks
[4:53] <asaru> cuppsy
[4:53] <asaru> check out /boot/config.txt
[4:53] <asaru> in raspbia
[4:53] <cuppsy> thrawed: Thank you for that valuable input. :P
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[4:53] <asaru> should be some overscan settings in there, you can set that will fix it
[4:53] <Anomaly`> I have a ` in my nick :)
[4:53] <thrawed> Anomaly`: no you don't
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[4:54] <Anomaly`> I don't?
[4:54] <Anomaly`> hi Thrawed
[4:54] <thrawed> you don't
[4:54] <Anomaly`> what's that at the end of my nick?
[4:54] <Anomaly`> Anomaly`
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[4:55] <thrawed> s y
[4:55] <PiRocketman> Hello everyone in Pi-land, Pi-ville or whatever you call this place in cyberspace.
[4:55] <Anomaly`> sy?
[4:55] <Anomaly`> HI RocketMan
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[4:56] <GabrialDestruir> We Call it PiVerse
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[4:59] <drivelights> hiya Anomaly`
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[4:59] <drivelights> PiVerse, good name for this place
[5:00] <Anomaly`> HI DLight
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[5:02] <cuppsy> asaru: Awesome, thank you. Had to set my overscan to -48 all the way around.
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[5:09] <cuppsy> OpenGL seems to destroy my Pi (NES emulator)... is that more likely a video driver issue or my Class 6 microSD?
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[5:10] <thrawed> define destroy
[5:10] <PiRocketman> Flaky power issues can exhibit themselves under load and cause memory card corruption
[5:10] <PiRocketman> What are you using for a power adapter?
[5:10] <thrawed> a potato
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[5:16] <cuppsy> thrawed: An NES emulator is unplayable with OpenGL in the options.
[5:17] <thrawed> cuppsy: that's cause the pi doesn't support opengl
[5:18] <PiRocketman> A potato produces on the order of 1.2 volts and almost nothing in the way of ma. Pi needs at least 5v at 700+ ma. Please upgrade to at least a lemon or wire 4 potatoes in series to form a bank and then wire a whole bunch in parallel to produce adequate current.
[5:18] <PiRocketman> Pi doesn't support OpenGL, just OpenGL ES which isn't at all the same thing....
[5:20] <cuppsy> Is there documentation to whcih I can be kicked to figure out OpenGL ES and/or whatever's required on the video front to set myself up a functional emulator?
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[5:22] <PiRocketman> http://mitchtech.net/raspberry-pi-nes-emulator/
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[5:22] <PiRocketman> http://blog.sheasilverman.com/2012/07/raspberry-pi-and-mess-multi-system-emulator-nes-gamegear-genesis/
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[5:30] <PiRocketman> Does anyone know of a US Pi seller that is selling Rev 2 units at non-marked-up prices?
[5:32] <thrawed> why would anyone specifically sell rev 2 without a markup?
[5:33] <PiRocketman> I don't mind a little enterprise, but not going to pay $60 when I can wait a week for Element 14 to flush their old stock.
[5:33] <thrawed> then wait a week
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[5:38] <discopig> element14 shipped my raspberry pi already, so fast
[5:38] <discopig> i hope i see it tomorrow
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[5:40] <biker> hi
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[5:40] <biker> does someone knows how to connect to the rpi (raspbian) via ssh from outside the lan?
[5:41] <biker> i already did fort forwarding, but when trying to connect it says: Permission denied (publickey,password).
[5:41] <atouk> open a port, or dmz the pi
[5:41] <biker> atouk: I already have an open port
[5:41] <biker> no firewalls
[5:41] <biker> port forwarding done
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[5:42] <biker> I think i need to configure the publickeys (the ones that look like an ascii art)
[5:42] <biker> but Im looking on google how to do that, but not many places found =/
[5:42] <PiRocketman> I think the Pi creates its keys at first boot
[5:42] <atouk> shouldnt have to do that
[5:43] <PiRocketman> You just need to use a client like Putty that will exchange keys. The idea is that the Pi can identify the client and vice versa, so you can ensure against man in the middle attacks on future connections
[5:43] <PiRocketman> You can still use username/password to login
[5:43] <biker> PiRocketman: I use arch linux
[5:43] <atouk> yoy may be set only to accept connections from 192.168.1.*
[5:44] <atouk> outside ips get refused
[5:44] <biker> and I can connect in the same LAN
[5:44] <biker> but outside the lan connection is refused=/ Permission denied (publickey,password).
[5:44] <atouk> which image?
[5:44] <biker> the host is raspbian,., the remote machine is arch linux
[5:44] <atouk> remote shouldn't make a difference
[5:45] <biker> atouk: the one you generate using ssh-keygen
[5:45] <biker> i know you have to do something in .ssh/*.pub
[5:45] <biker> and something on authorized_keys
[5:45] <biker> but i dont know what
[5:46] <atouk> i've loggged in from local and remote with putty without doing anythign special
[5:46] <atouk> just put the pi in dmz
[5:46] <drivelights> I just enabled SSH, changed the password, and opened only port 22 in the router
[5:47] <drivelights> first 3 of those steps using raspi-config
[5:47] <biker> atouk: i jsut put pi in dmz,., but just the same =/
[5:47] <atouk> i'd check my settings, but i'm moving / to usb from sd
[5:47] <atouk> be a bit before i'm back up. copying files
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[5:48] <biker> thx
[5:48] <atouk> what's your ip, i'll see if i canping it
[5:50] <atouk> i just got "login as" from here
[5:50] <atouk> login as: pi
[5:50] <atouk> pi@201.170.5.43's password:
[5:50] <atouk> Access denied
[5:50] <atouk> pi@201.170.5.43's password:
[5:50] <atouk> it's working
[5:53] <biker> atouk: you could connect to me?
[5:53] <atouk> yup
[5:53] <atouk> using putty
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[6:12] <midnightyell> has anyone successfully done speech recognition on their pi? I only need a small vocabulary
[6:12] <midnightyell> sphinx seems to be too slow and its results are humorous
[6:15] <thrawed> do you honestly want to yell at your pi?
[6:16] <midnightyell> I already do; I just want it to hear me
[6:16] <thrawed> if decibel level is > 100 then overclock?
[6:17] <midnightyell> I was thinking it'd get depressed. If that goes on for too long, undervolt and kill itself
[6:17] <midnightyell> "Can you hear me now, fucker?"
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[6:27] <mrpackethead> hello
[6:27] <mrpackethead> all quite in the pie shop
[6:29] <midnightyell> hacking
[6:29] <midnightyell> shh
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[6:45] <Essobi> yup
[6:50] <mrpackethead> i'm just contemplating how to decode SMTPE on a pie
[6:51] <midnightyell> one big regexp
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[6:58] <des2> Speech Recognition tends to take a lot of cpu power.
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[7:00] <midnightyell> Yep; pocketsphinx is supposed to be lightweight enough that the Pi can handle it
[7:00] <midnightyell> (for small vocabularies)
[7:01] <midnightyell> plus, when I run my own Linux, I can throw 200M of RAM at it pretty easily
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[7:15] <fernandocunhajr> Hi all! Greetings from Brazil!
[7:16] <thrawed> huehuehue
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[7:17] <fernandocunhajr> I'm searching for some hints in order to have my rpi configured properly to run divx movies with srt subtitles and mame or mess...
[7:18] <AaronMickDee> xbmc can play divx with srt subtitles.
[7:18] <AaronMickDee> dunno about mame though
[7:18] <fernandocunhajr> Xbmc is an application that turns the rpi to a media center, right?
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[7:20] <Caleb> yep
[7:20] <Caleb> fernandocunhajr: i use raspbmc myself
[7:23] <fernandocunhajr> How do I acess this application? I mean, I want to plug the rpi to my tv and run the movie. I have omxplayer but it does not support subtitles :/
[7:23] <Caleb> fernandocunhajr: www.raspbms.com
[7:23] <fernandocunhajr> Tks! I'll check in the morning :)
[7:24] <Caleb> fernandocunhajr: works great here and subtitles work too
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[9:49] <tiggy> Hey guys, I am trying to get Quake 3 going but I am unable to use my mouse/keyboard. I need to kill X to recover the pi.
[9:49] <tiggy> I am using the latest Raspbian.
[9:50] <tiggy> Unplugged all other devices on USB, using HDMI with 128/128 split. OC on Turbo.
[9:54] <GabrialDestruir> Sounds like it could be a compile issue if it's causing X to crash/not accepting input.
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[9:54] <tiggy> I am using the hotkey to kill X
[9:55] <tiggy> So I think X is still running / listening.
[9:57] <PiRocketman> You shouldn't run X and Q3 at same time.
[9:57] <PiRocketman> And a 192/64 split is generally better
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[10:04] <GabrialDestruir> I thought Q3 needed a specific split to work.
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[10:11] <PiRocketman> Adding all of X's overhead isn't going to be any help
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[10:44] -kloeri- [Global Notice] Hi all. In roughly 15 minutes we'll be rehubbing a few servers and also migrating niven and zelazny to new servers. It will be a bit noisy but should only take a few minutes. Thank you for using freenode.
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> 'morning.
[10:55] <DarkTherapy> morning gordonDrogon
[10:56] <cerjam2> WADDUP
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[11:04] <Nik05> wow still netsplits?
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[11:07] <Jck_true> Would anybody actually be interrested in the farnell raspberry tshirt?
[11:07] <des2> What does it look like ?
[11:07] <Jck_true> Black - And with the raspberrypi on the chest
[11:08] <Jck_true> think it saids "element14 farnell" below it
[11:09] <Jck_true> des2: http://sekagra.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/IMG_20120702_173921_s.jpg
[11:09] <des2> Needs a bigger, redder Raspberry
[11:10] <Jck_true> Yeah - I guess i'll just keep the tshirt in the packaging and save it...
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[12:46] <xgbi> hello guys
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[12:48] <Lexip> Hey you
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[12:50] <xgbi> I'm having a problem compiling kernel modules for raspbian
[12:50] <xgbi> I asked on #raspbian, but if anybody is competent here...
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[12:51] <nid0> so whats the problem.
[12:53] <xgbi> my module compiles against the kernel sources 3.2.27+ from the github raspberry
[12:53] <xgbi> but inserting the module fails
[12:54] <xgbi> first with a problem on magic versions:
[12:54] <xgbi> dvb_core: version magic '3.2.27+ preempt mod_unload modversions ARMv6 p2v8 ' should be '3.2.27+ preempt mod_unload modversions ARMv6 '
[12:54] <xgbi> then, if I force with modprobe -f : dvb_core: no symbol version for module_layout
[12:57] <xgbi> I used this tutorial to get the kernel sources:: https://www.grendelman.net/wp/compiling-kernel-modules-for-raspbian-raspberry-pi/
[12:57] <nid0> I suppose you are using the 3.2.27+ kernel rather than 3.1.9?
[12:57] <xgbi> I used the Modules.symvers from the github repository here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/blob/master/extra/Module.symvers
[12:57] <xgbi> yep
[12:58] <xgbi> if you look at the magic error, I only differ with 4 characters at the end: "p2v8"
[12:58] <xgbi> which is strange
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[13:03] <trevorman> xgbi: you've got different compile options for the kernel and your module
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[13:03] <nid0> interesting, I havent really been using the updated 3.2 kernel, building and loading modules for 3.1.9 is generally problem free though
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[13:08] <xgbi> trevorman, apart from the magic number, what's this error? "no symbol version for module_layout" ?
[13:08] <xgbi> the sources of the kernel come from the raspi github
[13:08] <trevorman> you can't force that module. p2v alters how it deals with memory addresses.
[13:08] <xgbi> outch
[13:09] <trevorman> so I expect that other error is related to your not having p2v whilst your module expects it to be there
[13:09] <xgbi> okay
[13:09] <xgbi> so I guess my kernel source tree is bad?
[13:10] <xgbi> got it from https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/zipball/rpi-3.2.27 ...
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[13:11] <xgbi> uname -a : Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #160 PREEMPT Mon Sep 17 23:18:42 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[13:12] <xgbi> the zipball was more recent, I guess there was some commits in there
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[13:18] <xgbi> nobody?
[13:21] <trevorman> no clue. the github repo for the kernel source is bleeding edge though so changes do get made a lot
[13:21] <trevorman> I guess whatever you've got for your kernel is slightly older than what you downloaded
[13:22] <trevorman> you could just build the kernel yourself
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[13:24] <xgbi> ok
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[13:25] <xgbi> then I give it some "custom" name to differ from the vanilla maybe?
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[13:25] <xgbi> or.. how can I get the last kernel version?
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[13:52] <discopig> damn element14 shipped my raspberry pi not even 24h ago and i already have it here
[13:52] <discopig> that's some fast overnight
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[13:55] <cerjam2> newark got me mine 3 days after order ;x
[13:55] <cerjam2> i want to buy naother, i just cant afford 50 more =(
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[13:59] <McBofh> discopig: I gave up on waiting for RS, ordered one from E14 and had it the next day. The case was on back order so I got it yesterday
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[13:59] <kcunning> McBofh: Same here. Mine was on six week backorder??? twelve weeks ago.
[13:59] <discopig> i'm really impressed they didnt overcharge for the nextday shipping
[14:00] <discopig> seeing as i'm not even in usa
[14:00] <McBofh> kcunning: I got the "your spot in the queue has come up, please place an order" email on 30 June...placed the order... nothing from RS except "hey, it might still take another _10_ weeks"
[14:00] <kcunning> Are they kidding?
[14:00] <McBofh> kcunning: I wish
[14:01] <kcunning> That's almost as bad as the place that's charging twice the suggested retail for their RPis
[14:01] <McBofh> RS is total fail for a raspberrypi
[14:01] <McBofh> kcunning: that's bad
[14:01] <kcunning> Yeah
[14:01] <McBofh> very bad, in fact
[14:01] <kcunning> http://thepihut.com/collections/raspberry-pi-computer/products/raspberry-pi-type-b-single-board-computer
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[14:02] <McBofh> mine was AUD38
[14:02] <kcunning> I contacted them, and they insisted that what they were charging was fair because:
[14:02] <kcunning> 1. They're smaller
[14:02] <kcunning> 2. They have them in stock.
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[14:02] <McBofh> http://au.element14.com/raspberry-pi?ref=lookahead
[14:02] <kcunning> I sent them a link to E14
[14:03] <InControl> you can always get one from http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/raspberry-pi-model-b.html
[14:03] <InControl> without the inflated price
[14:03] <InControl> Well if you are in the UK or Europe that is
[14:03] <McBofh> kcunning: even in .au, E14 has 140 in stock today
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[14:03] <McBofh> when I placed my order they had 370 mid-afternoon, and as it turns out, another 800 rocked up the next day
[14:04] <McBofh> back in 10, have to do some chores
[14:04] <kcunning> I have a feeling we'll see that shop shut down pretty soon
[14:04] <kcunning> A bunch of people called them out on it.
[14:04] <InControl> I think it is a bit much to charge so much
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[14:05] <InControl> they could perhaps justify ??5 or something
[14:05] <kcunning> I agree
[14:05] <kcunning> Or, bundle it!
[14:05] <kcunning> You can get all the cords and SD cards cheap.
[14:05] <InControl> but they are taking the urine
[14:06] <kcunning> I know quite a few people that would love to have everything they need in one kit
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[14:06] <trevorman> eh. free market. nobody is making you buy from that ripoff place. its their problem if nobody wants to buy from them anyway. they missed the boat for extortionate RPi pricing.
[14:07] <InControl> even ebay prices have come down to almost retail
[14:07] <trevorman> you're not going to get a profit on reselling the RPi by itself because you're limited by the pricing that RS/Farnell have set. only way to make a profit is by bundling and then charging a premium for that.
[14:08] <trevorman> not unless you're able to negotiate some massive bulk order anyway
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[14:09] <InControl> I get the feeling RS won't be on the next round of pi
[14:09] <cerjam2> from what i hear
[14:09] <cerjam2> RS is a horrible sham
[14:09] <cerjam2> ie yet to year a good word about them
[14:10] <InControl> when the exclusive contract runs out I'd be suprised if it is renewed
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[14:11] <trevorman> RS isn't a sham. they're just not setup for this type of operation.
[14:11] <trevorman> if you want something that somebody else made then sure go for RS
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[14:12] <trevorman> they're not setup to handle large amounts of consumer orders either and the support required for that. they're primarily for trade but also do accept consumer orders.
[14:13] <cerjam2> sounds shamy to me
[14:13] <RichiH> we /90
[14:14] <RichiH> sry
[14:14] <Hoerie> they are one of the biggest outfits in their market; they could improve communications if they want to sell directly to consumers though
[14:14] <trevorman> cerjam2: sham isn't the correct word anyway. they may be incompetent with the RPi but it doesn't mean they're fake which is what you calling them a sham implies
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[14:16] <cerjam2> okay, lets retry this. they're SCREWING customers with extremely long unneeded wait times.
[14:16] <trevorman> if you wanted to outfit an entire factory then you could do most of it just by ordering from the RS catalog. it'd cost you a fortune though as RS are famous for being expensive.
[14:16] <cerjam2> hows that.
[14:16] <trevorman> so you know they're sitting on stock in the warehouse and intentionally not sending it out?
[14:16] <trevorman> got it
[14:16] <Hoerie> how do you know that the waiting times are 'unneeded'?
[14:17] <Hoerie> perhaps they counted on 50000 orders and got 150000?
[14:17] <ukscone> Hoerie: you are partially correct
[14:18] <Hoerie> they probably also have a fairly small customer support team as they probably are used to dealing with relatively few big clients
[14:18] <Hoerie> not 100000 consumers with usi problems
[14:18] <ukscone> Hoerie: RS didn't order enough of the SoC from broadcom for this quarter, they thought no way would they need X thousand so they only ordered Y thousand and of course they couldn't get any more as broadcom sells by the quarter
[14:19] <ukscone> but they ordered the correct amount (or a hell of a lot more) for the upcoming quarter
[14:19] <trevorman> ukscone: not surprised by that. the preorder start date came as a complete surprise to RS.
[14:19] <Hoerie> too bad it looks like they will be shipping rev 1 for a while, I was hoping to get a rev 2 as a reward for waiting
[14:19] <kcunning> Personally, I have no issues with backorders, but I want the time I'm told to be accurate. If you say 'backordered for six weeks', then I should see movement in six weeks.
[14:20] <ukscone> they just didn't believe the foundation when they said you'll need a zillion so they only ordered a a few of the broadcom chips
[14:20] <Hoerie> I would have liked to have got some communication at all, they only e-mailed me yesterday after I reached out to them
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[14:21] <trevorman> doing contract manufacturing is never easy and you'll get random delays through no fault of your own. some supplier will turn around and go yeah... you know those 30,000 caps you order? turns out I've only got 10,000 and the 20,000 remaining will take 6 weeks from the manufacturer.
[14:21] <ukscone> actually RS were told by a lot of people incl. farnell that they'd ordered too few but they said they knew better and thay'd got enough :) they even went looking on the secondary market to get more chips :)
[14:21] <trevorman> lol secondary market
[14:22] <ukscone> trevorman: from what i heard there was a lot of running around like headless chickens when they realised they'd made a boo boo
[14:22] <trevorman> oh I bet
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[14:22] <chithead> it's a repeat of the initial launch situation, where the foundation was warned of overwhelming demand but still rejected help
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[14:23] <trevorman> RS telephone staff had no idea what an RPi was on the first day
[14:23] <trevorman> and the web team still had the "register your email to find out when the RPi launches" page
[14:24] <ukscone> trevorman: yeah that was a problem too, RS used to be great, expensive but great, if my company was paying i'd always order from them, if it was me paying then it'd be maplin (this is the mid to late 80s)
[14:24] <McBofh> hmmph, seems I can't estimate time very well
[14:24] <ukscone> but now i am not sure i'd trust RS to organise a piss up in a brewery
[14:24] <Hoerie> the only thing I really didn't like was the fact that some orders in the 8xK and 9xK range seemed have been missed
[14:25] <trevorman> ukscone: yeah. they definitely used to be the go to place if you had the budget for it
[14:25] <InControl> If they are still sending out Rev 1 boards I think I will cancel my RS order
[14:25] <trevorman> the fulfillment process was haphazard. my theory involved a dart board.
[14:26] <Hoerie> I don't know for certain but some posts on the raspberry pi forum imply that they aren't sending rev2 out right now
[14:26] <McBofh> ukscone: I reckon they couldn't go a round in a revolving door, either
[14:26] <ukscone> someone stole it or it got lost in my travels but i had a great test kit from them for years that citicorp paid for :D when i worked for them, when they closed down our dept. they said we could take all our tools, loved it esp. the screwdriver kit part
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[14:27] <ukscone> these days i mostly order from digikey or mouser, pity they don't have the facilities to build much of their own stuff as i'd have loved digikey at least to be one of the foundations licensees
[14:28] <InControl> problem with digikey is import VAT
[14:28] <InControl> get hit with VAT and admin charge
[14:28] <ukscone> InControl: yeahj there is VAT but if you are in the states they are great
[14:29] <ukscone> they almost ship your order before you've placed it
[14:29] <InControl> don't mind paying the VAT but not the high admin charges by the courier
[14:29] <ukscone> i think they havee a tadis or something
[14:30] <InControl> US are very well served in comparison to the UK
[14:30] <InControl> for electronics suplliers
[14:30] <Hoerie> import VAT? duty you mean?
[14:30] <InControl> no VAT not duty
[14:31] <Hoerie> VAT is (or should be) unavoidable
[14:31] <InControl> VAT is not charged on the order so is paid when it enters the UK
[14:31] <Hoerie> yes, and this is a problem why?
[14:31] <InControl> because they charge you an admin fee, up to ??20 just for taking the VAT from you
[14:32] <InControl> so you place a ??100 order and expect to pay ??20 VAT
[14:32] <Hoerie> ah, sucks to be in the UK then I guess
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[14:33] <ZogG_laptop> it's all over the world
[14:33] <InControl> but end up having to pay somewhere between ??7 & 20 admin fee
[14:33] <InControl> esentially adding a futher 20% premium to the cost
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[14:33] <Hoerie> I have usually avoided customs handling fees up to now
[14:33] <InControl> making it much more expensive than to buy locally
[14:34] <Hoerie> there's an exemption below a certain threshold here
[14:34] <trevorman> there was an exemption for the UK but they've taken it out or will be taking it out soon
[14:35] <InControl> it is very low here the threshold
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[14:35] <trevorman> ah no. we still have it. its been reduced
[14:36] <trevorman> completely taken out for stuff from the channel islands and reduced to ?15 for everybody else
[14:37] <InControl> perhaps digikey should open a proper UK branch
[14:37] <Hoerie> here it also depends on the commodity and what, if any, trade agreements are in place
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[14:38] <Hoerie> they have a Dutch branch apparently
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[14:39] <InControl> they should ship UK orders from there then as it is inside the EU would save admin fees on imports
[14:39] <nid0> vat questions annoy me, bloody channel islands and foreign customers demanding to not pay VAT on our digital provided-in-the-uk service
[14:40] <Hoerie> the nice thing is, you can get an exemption for imports from certain countries - but the form costs ???18.50 :-)
[14:42] <InControl> you would have thought the worlds governments would have found a soloution to the problem of international taxes
[14:42] <InControl> we live in a global economy these days
[14:43] <InControl> and yet we still have tax laws from the time of long ships
[14:43] <Hoerie> they have: trade agreements, forms, more taxes, weird subsidies, and lots of consultants and civil servants to oversee everything
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[14:44] <dami_0> hello
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[14:46] <dami_0> i was wondering how I'd go about connecting my computer to my raspi through ssh so that my raspberry pi displays my desktop but the computer actually processes the output
[14:46] <dami_0> instead of the raspberry pi, on the web I only found the opposite
[14:48] <Maqs> are you sure that you do not want something like vnc?
[14:48] <Hodapp> dami_0: One way: ssh -X from your RasPi to your PC. Run X apps from that session.
[14:48] <Hodapp> dami_0: another way: Just open up your X server directly to external connections.
[14:48] <dami_0> that seems like it would be the fastest, thanks
[14:49] <Hodapp> I'd say this would be preferable to something like VNC and you'll get better integration that way
[14:50] <Hodapp> I've used things as slow as a Pentium with ~ 32 MB RAM, over a serial link, as the X server to run apps from my desktop
[14:51] <Hodapp> the X protocol is more latency-sensitive than it is bandwidth-sensitive; it's chatty, it requires a lot of round trips
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[14:52] <dami_0> well, i'm doing this with computers either side of a switch so that's okay
[14:53] <Hodapp> yeah, like I said, I ran it over serial and it was fine
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[14:53] <Hodapp> over an Internet connection though, X rapidly becomes too slow and you'll need something like RDP, VNC, or NX
[14:54] <Hodapp> the only reason I say maybe don't use ssh -X is that you don't really need the encryption here and it'll add some overhead on the RPi
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[14:54] <hamitron> hmmm, now xchat isn't logging into nickserv fast enough to join here
[14:54] <hamitron> :/
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[14:54] <Hodapp> but ssh -X is much simpler (usually) than opening up your X server to remote connections
[14:54] <Hodapp> though sometimes you have to edit the sshd config too
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[14:56] <Matt> ssh adds a fair amount of overhead
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[14:57] <chithead> ssh adds jitter and latency, but you can reduce bandwidth usage with -C
[14:58] <hamitron> I recall using -Y for something
[14:58] <Hodapp> -X and -Y are similar
[14:59] <Hodapp> you can add -C but X is not really that bandwidth-intensive and compression will add a little additional overhead
[15:00] <Hodapp> over a wired connection I don't expect anything to be bandwidth-deficient
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[15:08] <dami_0> thanks for all the info, im trying to connect over ssh now, as I don't know enough about opening x to external connections yet
[15:10] <Hodapp> dami_0: it can be a process with a lot of little steps, but usually it isn't too difficult
[15:10] <Hodapp> 'xhost', I believe, will let you restrict it to specific hosts
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[15:13] <Hodapp> and then bask in the glory of X network-transparency
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[15:13] <dirty_d> i need help coming up with a name
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[15:14] <dirty_d> i made a python webserver app that allows you to search for movies and control omxplayer through a smartphone browser.
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[15:14] <dirty_d> its called rpyvideoserver now
[15:14] <dirty_d> got a batter name?
[15:14] <dirty_d> better
[15:15] <scummos> hm, I'm trying to generate some frequency at the GPIO output (doesn't have to be terribly accurate), but nanosleep() sucks for that
[15:15] <scummos> calling it takes ages
[15:15] <Hodapp> dirty_d: AmericanPi
[15:15] <dirty_d> scummos, you should use the PWM
[15:15] <laurent\> dirty_d: sounds more like a remote control than a video server
[15:15] <dirty_d> laurent\, yes exactly
[15:15] <scummos> dirty_d: oh ok, does it have a controllable output frequency? or just output width
[15:16] <dirty_d> scummos, both
[15:16] <scummos> dirty_d: oh cool. can I get to like, 1 MHz with it?
[15:16] <Hodapp> dirty_d: PyPi! Not to be confused with PyPi.
[15:16] <dirty_d> scummos, yes you can, but you will have a lot of granularity in the duty cycle if that matters
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[15:16] <laurent\> dirty_d: using anyremote ?
[15:17] <dirty_d> the PWM clock is 19.2MHz i believe
[15:17] <laurent\> oh no web browser
[15:17] <dirty_d> laurent\, never used it
[15:17] <scummos> dirty_d: no, doesn't matter. I just want something that has an as-high-as-possible frequency < 100MHz, because I don't own a proper frequency generator.
[15:18] <scummos> dirty_d: thanks! I'll read on that.
[15:18] <dirty_d> scummos, i think wiringpi might have examples
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[15:18] <scummos> okay
[15:18] <dirty_d> im not sure if the author adde the ability to control freq and duty cycle yet though, i havent looked at it in months
[15:18] <dirty_d> you have to make sure the PWM driver is in MS mode too
[15:18] <dirty_d> its in the datasheet
[15:19] <dirty_d> but not explained well
[15:19] <scummos> MS mode?
[15:19] <dirty_d> mark/space
[15:19] <scummos> what's that?
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[15:20] <dirty_d> the value of a register determines how long the signal is high, then for the rest of the pwm cycle it goes low
[15:20] <dirty_d> you adjust that to change the duty cycle
[15:20] <scummos> okay
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[15:21] <dirty_d> rpyvideoremote
[15:21] <dirty_d> lol
[15:21] <dirty_d> i suck at naking things
[15:21] <dirty_d> naming
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[15:21] <Hodapp> dirty_d: AMERICAN PI!
[15:21] <dirty_d> i dont get it, lol
[15:21] <Hodapp> there's a movie called American Pie
[15:21] <Hodapp> that you shouldn't watch
[15:21] <dirty_d> yes
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[15:27] <japro> so i was looking for hdmi-dvi cables today and the ones they had in the stores cost more than i paid for the pi...
[15:27] <dirty_d> i know its a complete scam
[15:27] <dirty_d> a $5 from newegg is just as good
[15:27] <dirty_d> its a digital signal, it works or it doesnt
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[15:28] <KameSense> japro: check on dx.com
[15:29] <dirty_d> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812270113
[15:29] <dirty_d> $8.99
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[15:29] <ReggieUK> hmmmn, not entirely sure that holds true
[15:29] <scummos> yes, it's horrible
[15:29] <ReggieUK> you'd think the same for usb
[15:29] <scummos> I wanted an adaptor and they charged ???20 for it
[15:29] <scummos> in the net it's 2,40
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[15:29] <scummos> (I didn't buy it)
[15:29] <ReggieUK> but there are actually some that are better than others
[15:29] <dirty_d> cables?
[15:30] <ReggieUK> yes
[15:30] <Matt> it depends how much error correction there is in the protocol
[15:30] <japro> seems the ones i can get around here from online shops are in the range 20$... i guess its still a better deal than shipping from who knows where
[15:30] <dirty_d> ive never had a hdmi cable not work
[15:30] <dirty_d> i think its only an issue when the cable gets too long
[15:30] <dirty_d> like over 10 feet
[15:30] <ReggieUK> dirty_d, neither have I but it doesn't mean it won't happen
[15:30] <dirty_d> and as always, check reviews
[15:30] <Matt> I've yet to try one of the HDMI cables from the dollar store
[15:30] <ReggieUK> just referring back to cheap microUsb cables used to power the PI caused issues
[15:30] <dirty_d> cant go wrong if hundreds of people have tried it and it works for everyone
[15:31] <japro> i bet you can watch "hdmi cable unboxing and review" videos on youtube :o)
[15:31] <Matt> I bet you can
[15:31] <dirty_d> ReggieUK, they must have very very thin wires
[15:31] <Matt> "this cable is made from solid gold!"
[15:31] <ReggieUK> dirty_d, for the record, I'm using a 5m hdmi cable on my PI, cheap thing from the netz
[15:31] <dirty_d> with the youtube song in the background
[15:31] <ReggieUK> dirty_d, indeed they did and that's what you find with cheaper cables
[15:31] <dirty_d> me too, i got mine for $2.99
[15:31] <ReggieUK> thinner wires
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[15:32] <dirty_d> i gotta learn how to use git
[15:32] <Matt> ReggieUK: which isn't surprising
[15:33] <Matt> given that it's the wire that actually costs the money
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[15:36] <japro> also reading reviews of cables will make your brain melt: "3/5 doesn't display 1080p" wtf?
[15:36] <japro> i don't even want to imagine what the youtube comments on cable reviews look like
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[15:37] <trevorman> Matt: HDMI and DVI have no error correction or detection at all
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[15:38] <japro> also it seems prices scale exponentially with length :D
[15:38] <Hodapp> 'Each Data Island Period is 32 pixels in size and contains a 32-bit Packet Header, which includes 8 bits of BCH ECC parity data for error correction and describes the contents of the packet.'
[15:39] <japro> that is a 2m one for like 20chf, 10m for ~100chf and 12m for 387chf :D
[15:39] <trevorman> Hodapp: that doesn't apply to the video
[15:40] <trevorman> the video data isn't checked at all. you can tamper with it as much as you want even if it is using HDCP.
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[16:02] <dirty_d> here it is, hopefully someone can make use of it, https://github.com/dirty-d/rpyvideoserver
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[16:10] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: modulo aes
[16:11] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: you can calculate the necessary key using the HDCP master key
[16:11] <trevorman> the chumby netv does this to generate the overlay
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[16:12] <trevorman> it has no idea what the video data is that is going past. it just selectively overwrites parts of the encrypted video data with its own encrypted video data. the TV doesn't notice anything different.
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[16:12] <trevorman> no alpha blending though
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[16:51] <dami_0> hello again
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[16:54] <dami_0> I've setup ssh on my network to connect to my raspberry pi from my pc, but using the -X/-Y flags I can only turn on gedit, startx gives me problems
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[16:55] <scummos> well you cannot startx over ssh -X
[16:55] <scummos> why would you do that
[16:55] <[SLB]> startx would not show over ssh
[16:55] <scummos> or more exactly, what would you expect to happen? ;p
[16:56] <[SLB]> yups
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[16:56] <Hodapp> dami_0: Are you trying to startx from inside te console ssh -X gives you?
[16:56] <FR^2> x11vnc ;)
[16:56] <[SLB]> pc is windows?
[16:56] <scummos> if you remotely want to run a window manager, do this: Xephyr :1 -screen 1024x768&
[16:56] <scummos> set DISPLAY :1
[16:56] <dami_0> yeah
[16:56] <scummos> then ssh, and run lxsession
[16:56] <scummos> or whatever you want
[16:57] <Hodapp> dami_0: You o nly startx from the RPi. The remote machine - the one to which you ssh -X - doesn't need an X server. Your RPi _is_ its X server.
[16:57] <[SLB]> and there's xephyr for windows?
[16:57] <scummos> well windows...
[16:57] <scummos> no
[16:57] <scummos> ^^
[16:57] <scummos> or I don't know
[16:57] <[SLB]> eheh
[16:57] <Hodapp> ugh, this 5-second lag is making remote-irssi annoying
[16:57] <dami_0> but what I want to do, is essentially run the xserver on my pc, but control and throughput display on my rpi
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[16:57] <[SLB]> so you want to do the opposite
[16:58] <dami_0> so I get the acceleration from my pc but I can display it anywhere with the rpi
[16:58] <scummos> well then you need to ssh from the rpi to the pc
[16:58] <Hodapp> dami_0: You already said you looked up how to do that and it was the opposite of what you wanted...
[16:58] <[SLB]> realvnc server on the windows machine
[16:58] <[SLB]> and a vnc viewer on the pi
[16:58] <Hodapp> leave VNC out of this, it's not necessary when they're both Linux boxes and are on a fast LAN
[16:58] <dami_0> i thought it would give me what I wanted
[16:59] <[SLB]> Hodapp, he said it's a windows machine
[16:59] <dami_0> yeah, it arch linux [pc] to bodhi linux [pi]
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[16:59] <[SLB]> so it's not a windows machine..
[16:59] <[SLB]> why did you say it was
[16:59] <[SLB]> lol
[16:59] <dami_0> i said yeah to hodapp
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[16:59] <dami_0> but i typed slowly
[16:59] <Hodapp> dami_0: which system is supposed to be running the applications, and which system is supposed to be displaying them?
[17:00] <dami_0> rpi is supposed to display
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[17:00] <DarkTherapy> quick question, which xbmc distro runs best on the pi?
[17:00] <scummos> dami_0: then you need to ssh from the rpi to the pc, obviously.
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[17:00] <dami_0> yeah, I did that, and initially I got x opening on my pc, on the display of my pc
[17:01] <dami_0> then I fiddled around and got gedit opening on my pi
[17:01] <Hodapp> startx on the RPi only.
[17:02] <[SLB]> what do you have on ubuntu as desktop env?
[17:02] <[SLB]> sorry arch
[17:02] <[SLB]> lxde?
[17:02] <Hodapp> from inside X on the Pi, do the ssh -X. The PC doesn't even need X installed on it to run X apps and it makes no difference what DE or WM it has.
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[17:02] <scummos> the PC needs X installed
[17:03] <Hodapp> scummos: No, it does not.
[17:03] <scummos> I would be very much confused if that was true
[17:03] <[SLB]> if he wants to start X the pc must have X installed and the DE makes a difference since you must know the command you have to type thru ssh..
[17:03] <Hodapp> [SLB]: _no, the PC does not need X_.
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[17:03] <scummos> Hodapp: does not need X *to be running*
[17:03] <scummos> but it needs to be installed afaik
[17:03] <[SLB]> then startx wont work :D
[17:03] <Hodapp> you do not run startx on the PC.
[17:03] <Hodapp> period.
[17:04] <[SLB]> you run the DE executable
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[17:04] <Hodapp> the X apps running on the PC are communicating with a remote X server.
[17:04] <scummos> Hodapp: right.
[17:04] <[SLB]> which you must know its name, of course.
[17:04] <scummos> but you still need X on the server :D
[17:04] <scummos> not running
[17:04] <scummos> but installed
[17:04] <[SLB]> obviously
[17:05] <[SLB]> you're not going to call startx over ssh, but the DE command
[17:05] <scummos> [SLB]: Hodapp thinks otherwise
[17:05] <[SLB]> patience
[17:05] <scummos> or I misunderstood
[17:05] <scummos> or I'm wrong
[17:05] <japro> so i got this "gamepadlike" keyboard with touchpad
[17:05] <japro> and it works
[17:05] <Hodapp> scummos: No, you don't. If you don't believe me, do an installation of any server distro (say, Ubuntu Server), leave the X server out, and install xterm.
[17:05] <japro> but typing "}" is a 3 key combination
[17:05] <japro> crap
[17:05] <Hodapp> scummos: Installing xterm won't require an X server.
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[17:06] <scummos> Hodapp: really. okay then
[17:06] <Hodapp> scummos: But you will be able to run it if you ssh -X into the server.
[17:06] <[SLB]> Hodapp, he didn't want to launch an x application and show it on the pi, he wanted to launch the de
[17:06] <Hodapp> You don't need X for the DE either.
[17:06] <[SLB]> and i doubt you can install on the pc a de which wont fetch x as well
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[17:06] <[SLB]> hm okay
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[17:06] <Hodapp> I'd say just run the DE on the Pi anyway.
[17:07] <japro> scummos <- developing a pi distribution meant to run scummvm? :D
[17:07] <Hodapp> forwarding an entire DE gets hairy sometimes.
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[17:07] <scummos> japro: nah, just a random nickname :D
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[17:09] <scummos> Hodapp: why does running xterm over ssh load libX11.so on the pi then?
[17:09] <Hodapp> However, you can if you like set up a remote X server to basically log directly into the machine with GDM/KDM/XDM/whatever, just as if you were local
[17:09] <Hodapp> I think XDMCP or something is this...
[17:09] <scummos> Hodapp: and if I remove libX11.so xterm won't run any more
[17:09] <scummos> over ssh
[17:10] <Hodapp> scummos: Um, running xterm on the PC loads libX11.so locally?
[17:10] <scummos> it loads libX11.so on the pi
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[17:10] <Hodapp> scummos: that's because _it's using X on the Pi, not on the PC_ because the Pi is your X server, not the PC
[17:10] <scummos> what
[17:10] <scummos> no, the pi is not running X
[17:11] <scummos> the xterm is displayed on my pc then
[17:11] <Hodapp> if it's using the X server on the PC, then yes it requires X
[17:13] <scummos> Hodapp: I'm doing this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=YiGRUwrc
[17:13] <Hodapp> if you're just using SSH to the Pi - not ssh -X - there is no reason why it would do anything with libX11.so on the Pi
[17:14] <scummos> oh are we talking about different things
[17:14] <scummos> my claim is just that the server, the computer which runs the application, needs X installed
[17:14] <scummos> well and the client needs it too
[17:14] <scummos> well yes if you don't do X11 forwarding, then you don't need X
[17:14] <scummos> but... huh?
[17:14] * scummos is dazed and confused
[17:15] <scummos> can you maybe restate your claim, I think I got it wrong :D
[17:16] <Hodapp> You don't need a local copy of X, running or installed, for your local machine to run X applications that target a remote X server.
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[17:16] <scummos> Okay. And this is what I find weird, because doing ssh -X from my notebook to the pi, then running an xterm there (which is displayed on my notebook) requires libX11.so *on the pi*.
[17:17] <Hodapp> your example did not say ssh -X or ssh -Y.
[17:17] <scummos> Hodapp: that's in .ssh/config
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[17:18] <scummos> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=897hYsGz
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[17:20] <Hodapp> it may not require them just because it attempts to load them; all sorts of caching/preloading might be in place.
[17:20] <scummos> Hodapp: I removed that lib and ran xterm, it didn't work.
[17:20] <Hodapp> if all you did was remove it and the system still thinks the libary is there, this is liable to wreak havoc.
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[17:20] <scummos> well xterm is linked against libX11.so
[17:21] <Hodapp> But numerous times I've done ssh -X into headless servers that did not have X installed so that I could run a setup program - for instance - that was graphical.
[17:21] <scummos> but you need either libX11.so or an X application which is not linked against libX11.so
[17:21] <scummos> and I'd still need to find one
[17:22] <scummos> I'm sure you don't need the X executable on the server, but you'll need most of the libs for most applications for sure
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[17:22] <Hodapp> also, there are some X libraries that don't constitute anything near a full X server.
[17:22] <scummos> yes, you can probably cut it down and not have the *whole* X stuff installed on the server
[17:22] <scummos> but you'll need at least the basic libs
[17:23] <Hodapp> on my linode it is: libxaw7{a} libxmu6{a} libxpm4{a} libxv1{a} libxxf86dga1{a} x11-utils{a} xbitmaps{a}
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[17:23] <Hodapp> this is by no means most of the libs; it's only about a meg.
[17:24] <scummos> hm. does it have, for example, libX11.so?
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[17:26] <scummos> I'm really wondering since for me every graphical application is linked against a lot of X11 libraries
[17:26] <scummos> I just don't understand how it can work without them
[17:26] <Hodapp> none of them are actually linked against the full X server
[17:26] <scummos> yes, but against a lot of the libs
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[17:27] <Hodapp> those libs all sit apart from the X server though, and are mainly there for support for particular features
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[17:28] <scummos> okay
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[17:29] <scummos> but that means, effectively, that you'll need most X libs installed on the server if you want to run a wide range of applications over ssh, no? ;P
[17:30] <Hodapp> It's not "most X libs". It's particular support libraries, and not the ones that the X server links directly to.
[17:30] <scummos> okay
[17:30] <Hodapp> It's a difference about as stark as saying that you require an SSH server if you want to be able to act as an SSH client.
[17:31] <Hodapp> Numerous SSH libraries exist, but their functionality is not as the SSH server, it is for the client.
[17:31] <scummos> well
[17:31] <Hodapp> It's called an "X server" for a reason.
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[17:32] <scummos> so, you'll need the client side libraries only...?
[17:33] <Hodapp> Something to that effect, but those client side libraries aren't a part of X itself.
[17:33] <Hodapp> and indeed doing an installation of just X would likely not include them, because it never links against them
[17:34] <scummos> ok
[17:34] <Hodapp> this decoupling is the source of a lot of bitching from people who don't like X :)
[17:34] * scummos doesn't like X
[17:34] <Hodapp> rabble rabble we don't need network transparency, etc.
[17:34] <scummos> network transparency is about the only cool feature X has imo :D
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[17:35] <Hodapp> I do want to play with Wayland.
[17:36] <Weaselweb> so what? wayland shall be relase the next weeks. use that then \o/
[17:36] <scummos> wayland is cool
[17:36] <scummos> the problem with wayland is that it doesn't work
[17:36] <Hodapp> lol
[17:36] <scummos> well wayland probably works, but no application runs properly
[17:36] <Hodapp> I've yet to try Wayland but I did see last year sometime that Qt and GTK both had Wayland backends
[17:37] <Hodapp> and GTK had this wacky HTML5 backend - any of you seen that demo?
[17:37] <scummos> yes, but I didn't have the impression that they're very mature yet
[17:37] <scummos> no, sounds weird :D
[17:37] <scummos> I just know that the kwin developer thinks it'll take a few more years
[17:37] <scummos> and if he says that then that's probably right
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[17:38] <Hodapp> https://vimeo.com/21062117
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[17:39] <Weaselweb> scummos: this might be true. but for small boxes like rpi wayland might be usefull and already usable
[17:39] <scummos> Weaselweb: did you try it?
[17:39] <Hodapp> but by itself (no X server inside) what runs on Wayland currently?
[17:40] <Weaselweb> no, no time for wayland yet and I'm still waiting for my pi
[17:40] <srl295> Wayland is going to release?
[17:40] <Weaselweb> Hodapp: qt5 apps should do
[17:40] <scummos> Hodapp: I don't know, but if qt and gtk are ported, most apps should run, shouldn't they
[17:41] <Weaselweb> srl295: 1.0 release should be the next weeks. see (german) http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Wayland-Prototyp-zur-Darstellung-entfernt-laufender-Software-1715206.html
[17:41] <Hodapp> scummos: you said they're not very mature yet though
[17:41] <Weaselweb> don't mix apps and the window manager
[17:42] <scummos> Hodapp: yes :(
[17:42] <Hodapp> scummos: well, use the HTML5 backend for GTK :P
[17:42] <Hodapp> you have a browser, right?
[17:42] <scummos> well I have to admit, that HTML5 backend is pretty cool
[17:42] <Hodapp> I'm surprised they beat Qt to it, considering that _all of Qt Quick and QML is Javascript_
[17:43] <Hodapp> and they are/were pushing a lot of things into JS
[17:43] <scummos> QML is not really javascript-compliant
[17:43] <scummos> sure, it's scripted in JS, but it's not really javascript
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[17:44] <Hodapp> ehh, QML is still JavaScript, albeit a variety interpreted by whatever their built-in JS interpreter is
[17:44] <Hodapp> and apparently never targeted to the web
[17:44] <scummos> no, it's indeed not targeted to the web
[17:44] <srl295> Weaselweb, definitely would like to play with it. Do you think it's really the beginning of the end for X as the primary display server?
[17:44] <scummos> well it has a lot of syntactic sugar which is not available in plain JS.
[17:45] <scummos> so it's pretty far from running in firefox' JS interpreter, I think
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[17:45] <Hodapp> scummos: oh, what sort of stuff does it have that makes it not standard JS?
[17:46] <Hodapp> I haven't touched QML in about 18 months
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[17:46] <scummos> "property list x: {}"
[17:46] <srl295> Weaselweb, if you get it working for the rPi. .. please make binaries available
[17:46] <scummos> "import QtQuick 1.1"
[17:46] <scummos> "Behaviour on x { ... }"
[17:47] <Hodapp> too bad pretty much all of that stuff is going to end up canned because all their mobile stuff seemingly is moving to Microsoft Windows Phone Mobile Phone Edition Mobile Edition Whatever It's Called
[17:47] <Weaselweb> srl295: who can tell future? it looks very nice, but it has to prove if it could replace X11. see llvm <-> gcc and systemd <-> openrc. new implementations of a working software. i guess they will coexist
[17:47] <scummos> Hodapp: it's been quite a while since nokia sold Qt to digia now
[17:47] <scummos> http://qt.digia.com/en/
[17:47] <Weaselweb> srl295: well, 1st I need my pi :) schedule is mid-end of november and 2nd I'll be using Gentoo, so no binaries I could provide
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[17:48] <srl295> Weaselweb, ah. Are you going to cross compile for the pi?
[17:48] <scummos> Weaselweb: systemd *is* going to replace sysvinit. :)
[17:48] <Weaselweb> srl295: oh, and 3rd and most important I won't need display the first time :)
[17:48] <Hodapp> scummos: I don't know about "quite awhile" - Digia announced they're acquiring it on 2012-08-09
[17:48] <Weaselweb> srl295: yep, that's my plan
[17:48] <scummos> Hodapp: oh okay, then I probably read it before it was official :D
[17:49] <srl295> and llvm has replaced gcc on my m*c.
[17:49] <Hodapp> scummos: They had some other deal with Digia before this but it was not acquisition of the whole Qt software business
[17:49] <Weaselweb> scummos: well, systemd has nice features...which openrc has already :) but openrc isn't widely used
[17:49] <scummos> Hodapp: okay, quite possible. either way, Qt won't die just because some company stops paying five devs
[17:49] <Hodapp> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011/03/future-of-qt-brighter-after-digia-buys-licensing-biz-from-nokia/
[17:49] <scummos> ah that
[17:49] <Hodapp> newest news I've seen: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/08/digia-to-acquire-qt-business-from-nokia-port-it-to-android-and-ios/
[17:49] <scummos> yes :)
[17:50] <Weaselweb> if qt is in cummunity hand they can finally merge qt and kdelibs :)
[17:50] <scummos> Weaselweb: well, I just know that I'm using systemd and I'm very happy with it
[17:50] <scummos> Weaselweb: they won't be merged fully, but afaik much of kdelibs is being restructured currently and it is planned to move many features into core Qt
[17:50] <Weaselweb> scummos: good to hear. I'm planning to play with it. maybe on my pi
[17:51] <srl295> Weaselweb, I built gentoo for a Via C3 box .. a couple months ago. Was quite an experience. I have a LOT of appreciation for Gentoo, makes a low level view and control accessible. Big thanks for the heads up on wayland.
[17:51] <Hodapp> scummos: I thought their mobile tools were pretty top-notch, really... short of the fact that they only worked on Symbian really
[17:51] <scummos> also I think Qt already is "in community hand" since qt-project.org
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[17:51] <scummos> Hodapp: okay, I have no idea, I never owned a smartphone :)
[17:51] <srl295> I use my rPi with a screen ..... as an SSH client in textmode. Very nice.
[17:52] <srl295> scummos, as opposed to the kind with a crank?
[17:52] <Hodapp> I have a Nokia X2-01... it's meh
[17:52] <Weaselweb> srl295: before I would try on wayland I want my wheather station get ready using 1-wire. this might take a while :)
[17:52] <Hodapp> I don't really want a smartphone.
[17:52] <scummos> in fact I don't own any kind of mobile phone
[17:53] <scummos> Weaselweb: that's good, maybe wayland will work when you're done?
[17:53] <Hodapp> but I have an Android device
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[17:54] <Weaselweb> scummos: a working wayland and systemd when _I_ need it? you must be kidding :)
[17:54] <scummos> :D
[17:54] <scummos> systemd is working fine
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[17:56] <Weaselweb> sounds fine. let's see if it will suit Gentoo's flexibility
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[17:57] <Hodapp> also kind of want to play with DirectFB.
[17:57] <Hodapp> but if Wayland gives me a similar level of control, maybe I won't bother
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[18:06] <Walther> Hello folks! Popping back after a long while, wanted to ask if the usb throughput issues have been solved
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[18:07] <Walther> as in, crashes caused by downloading a big file or multiple files over eth to a powered usb hdd
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[18:27] <Matt> mmm
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[18:27] <Matt> must stop eating liquorice alsorts
[18:29] * Hodapp steals Matt's liquorice and runs away cackling
[18:29] <Hodapp> I haven't bought Ouzo in awhile...
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[18:30] <Hodapp> what's a good brand of real liquorice? most of the candies here are just imitation
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[18:30] <Matt> well I always used to get basset's
[18:30] <Matt> but these are Waterbridge, and they're not bad
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[18:32] <bede> hello
[18:32] <bede> i have a mini wifi dongle here: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 7392:7811 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd EW-7811Un 802.11n Wireless Adapter [Realtek RTL8188CUS]
[18:33] <Hodapp> Matt: what country are you in?
[18:33] <bede> works wll, however inserting it into the pi resets it ;)
[18:33] <bede> s/wll/well/
[18:34] <Hodapp> bede: that's quite odd... through a hub? or by itself?
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[18:35] <des2> Wifi dongles tend to draw a lot of power.
[18:36] <Walther> I repeat my question from earlier today, have the USB throughput issues been solved?
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[18:36] <Walther> i.e. does downloading a bigger file to an external hdd still cause panics
[18:36] <Walther> or multiple files at the same time
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[18:38] <bede> Hodapp: the dongle is the only thing connected to usb and directly
[18:39] <bede> des2: but on insert?
[18:39] <bede> the pi is powered by micro usb, 1.2A
[18:41] <des2> You have the version 1 board ?
[18:41] <chithead> usb spec for power is 5V??0.25V, but the rpi does not like if the supplied voltage drops too much below 4.9V
[18:42] <Hodapp> bede: Have you a powered hub you could try it through?
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[18:42] <chithead> or trying another psu might be a good idea
[18:42] <des2> You will probably need a powered hub for the Wifi.
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[18:43] <bede> wlan works, if i boot with the dongle inserted
[18:43] <Matt> Hodapp: canada, grew up in the uk tho
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[18:44] <bede> well to be fair i only pinged the thing, let me put a little somethring through the wlan wire
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[18:44] <des2> Booting with inserted and plugging it in can have different power effects.
[18:46] <nid0> 99% of wifi dongles do not need a powered hub if the pi itself is connected to a proper psu, and that edimax is one that works fine
[18:47] <SpeedEvil> many WiFi dongles use lots more than the Max, even in receive mode
[18:48] <nid0> wifi dongles that date from like 2004 might, modern ones dont, and RTL8188CU ones, which this one is, most assuredly dont.
[18:48] <SpeedEvil> if power saving does not work on your ap, or will
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> it will
[18:49] <SpeedEvil> or if you need ad-hoc mode
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[18:57] <atouk> ty, sir
[18:57] <atouk> good evening
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[19:04] <bede> okay, so I am getting a max of 650 kb/s, avg aroung 450/500 and min at just under 200
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[19:08] <[diecast]> ok?
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[19:16] <DarkTherapy> are there any grep/cut/tail experts in here?
[19:17] <scummos> a bit
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[19:17] <scummos> I use that stuff a lot
[19:17] <scummos> what do you want to do? ;P
[19:18] <DarkTherapy> if I have a line of text thats say 100 chars long, how do I cut off say, the last 30f
[19:18] <DarkTherapy> 30*
[19:18] <des2> That's an sed task
[19:19] <DarkTherapy> ah
[19:19] <DarkTherapy> sed
[19:19] <des2> you grep to get the line and then pipe it to sed where you remove the last 30 chars
[19:20] <DarkTherapy> thanks, that's what I'm after
[19:20] <ln-> if they are all 100 chars long, then it's "cut -c 1-70"
[19:20] <scummos> no, can also use tail and head
[19:20] <DarkTherapy> nah, might change length, but always chop off 30 chars from the end
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[19:21] <scummos> echo 'Foobar' |tail -c 4
[19:21] <scummos> bar
[19:21] <DarkTherapy> tail, I thought that but tail gives me the last 30 not remove them
[19:21] <bede> head -30 might work
[19:21] <scummos> yes
[19:21] <DarkTherapy> k
[19:21] <bede> also -c i guess
[19:21] <scummos> yes
[19:22] <bede> DarkTherapy: out of curiosity, what oddly formated data are you processing?
[19:22] <scummos> out of curiosity, why are you not using python? :D
[19:22] <hamitron> scared of getting bitten ;/
[19:23] <DarkTherapy> oh, i want to make an Internet radio player, and use wget/grep/cut to get the "now playing" info to print to an LCD
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[19:23] <bede> and there is no delimiter character in there?
[19:24] <bede> also, what lcd are you using abd what do you use for input?
[19:24] <DarkTherapy> 2 buttons to change channels, 16x2 LCD
[19:24] <DarkTherapy> I'm using a delimiter to get the line I need
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[19:25] <nid0> assuming the input is only the single line of text and you just want it -30 chars its easy with head
[19:25] <DarkTherapy> thanks
[19:25] <nid0> head -c -30 input > output
[19:26] <DarkTherapy> got it now thanks guys
[19:27] <scummos> python: 'Foobar'[-3]
[19:27] <scummos> actually no
[19:27] <scummos> more like [:-3]
[19:27] <bede> DarkTherapy: how pricy is the lcd?
[19:28] <DarkTherapy> less than ??4
[19:28] <DarkTherapy> 1 sex
[19:28] <DarkTherapy> sec
[19:28] <DarkTherapy> ffs phone
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[19:31] <DarkTherapy> http://db.tt/EdomPSNu
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> evening chaps/chapsesses
[19:33] <gordonDrogon> DarkTherapy, rev the lines then chop off the first 30, then rev them again.
[19:34] <DarkTherapy> rev?
[19:34] <DarkTherapy> how?
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ raspberrypi: echo "Hi there" | rev
[19:34] <gordonDrogon> ereht iH
[19:34] <DarkTherapy> that's it!
[19:34] <DarkTherapy> thanks gordonDrogon
[19:35] <nid0> seems awfully convoluted
[19:35] <[diecast]> awk anyone?
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> sure - but that's the unix way - lots of programs doing just one task well.
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> you use pipes to plumb them together.
[19:35] <[diecast]> 'er, uh
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> so rather than bloating commands with more flags/switches and functions, just pipe commands together...
[19:36] <[diecast]> id say awk is the unix way =)
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[19:36] <nid0> anyone would think thats why head exists
[19:36] <bede> DarkTherapy: how do you write text to the lcd? serial console?
[19:36] <DarkTherapy> it's a python library
[19:36] <[diecast]> so then do it all in python =)
[19:36] <[diecast]> which would be my first goto anyways
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> I have a C library for writing to LCDs ...
[19:37] <DarkTherapy> look up adafruit 16x2 LCD raspberry pi
[19:37] <DarkTherapy> yeah..
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[19:41] <bede> DarkTherapy: sweet, thanks.
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[19:43] <dennistlg> lcd on gpio is only stuff to play.
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[19:44] <dennistlg> searching for a way to print a console to it. but found nothing
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[19:45] <bede> dennistlg: via com port?
[19:46] <dennistlg> no not over serial
[19:47] <dennistlg> c libary + wiringpi
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> do you mean print the Linux console to it, or just print from applications?
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[19:58] <Walther> What is the way of enabling sshd nowadays with raspbian?
[19:58] <[diecast]> in the raspi-config
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[19:58] <Walther> headless :/
[19:58] <[diecast]> yup
[19:58] <[diecast]> oh, well
[19:58] <Walther> on a previous release it was possible just to rename a file on /boot partition
[19:58] <[diecast]> might be able to edit config.txt - not sure?
[19:59] <[diecast]> or get a usb cable and hook up some wires to the pins for a terminal conneciton
[19:59] <Walther> last time I checked config.txt didn't affect anything else than boot options / very basic stuff
[19:59] <chithead> Walther: mount the root filesystem on sd card, add the symlink to /etc/rc3.d
[19:59] <[diecast]> ive never touched it, was a guess on the config.txt
[20:00] <Walther> chithead: what kind of a symlink / with what name, where
[20:01] <chithead> Walther: debian's init uses symlinks to determine which services to start at boot. look in /etc/rc3.d/ directory for examples
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[20:03] <Walther> This used to be much easier, what happened?
[20:03] <chithead> default user/password + default sshd start = bad combination
[20:03] <[diecast]> or download occidentalis
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[20:03] <[diecast]> it enables sshd by default and a few other added extras from adafruit
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[20:04] <Walther> chithead: No, it definitely shouldn't be enabled by default, but like previously, rename one file
[20:05] <digitlman> hrmmm.....my pi is not outputting to HDMI after an apt-get upgrade and reboot...it was earler. Shut it off and on again.
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[20:06] <nid0> sshd is enabled by default on the raspbian images
[20:06] <Walther> nid0: Oh, they changed it, thanks
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[20:11] <digitlman> where in dmesg does it show the hdmi start?
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[20:14] <Walther> Is there a way I could disable the default username, set up a username, and add that user to sudoers without booting the pi?
[20:14] <Walther> as in, by editing some files
[20:15] <nid0> yes, but not trivially, why dyou particularly need to?
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[20:17] <Walther> I'd prefer to make all the necessary changes to my install first, before booting to it
[20:17] <Walther> so that I can make a neat "backup" / reference install of my own with the users etc preconfigured
[20:18] <nid0> well, youll need to mount the sd card's root on another system, then edit /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, and /etc/sudoers accordingly
[20:18] <SgrA> What's the VFP on the arm1176?
[20:18] <nid0> or just boot the pi, make the changes, power it back down, and then save the image as your backup.
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[20:19] <Walther> nid0: those three files are sufficient? THanks!
[20:20] <Walther> just BTW, what is the "shadows" file, as it is empty
[20:20] <Walther> or to be precise, it doesn't exist
[20:21] <nid0> shadow, not shadows
[20:21] <Walther> ahh
[20:21] <Walther> Hm, it looks complicated, how do I add an user there
[20:22] <Walther> oh well, i will be better off booting it and runningadduser
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[20:24] <Essobi> Is there a standard test to see if a sd card is compatible?
[20:24] <schinken> i have problems building OLA for my raspi. i used this tutorial http://opendmx.net/index.php/OLA_Raspberry_Pi and image. i have no idea how its possible to install open lighting. i tried a fresh git pull, but "automake --add-missing" cant find all dependencies needed. (f.e. ltmain.sh)
[20:25] <thrawed> Essobi: there's an outdated list on the wiki
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[20:26] <Essobi> thrawed: Yea, I know.. just wondering. I've got a name brand card and something is acting funny. it's randomly locking up doing things that appear to be disk related.
[20:26] <thrawed> Essobi: most raspberrypi issues come down to the power supply
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[20:27] <chithead> you could try a different sd card or diffferent power supply
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[20:28] <thrawed> they really should have shipped with a power supply
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[20:37] <digitlman> could filesystem errors on a root-extended to usb drive cause hdmi issues?
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[20:40] <SpeedEvil> HDMI issues?
[20:40] <digitlman> my hdmi stopped working
[20:40] <digitlman> I did an apt upgrade
[20:40] <digitlman> reboot - no more hdmi
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[20:41] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[20:41] <digitlman> Upgrade: network-manager:armhf (0.9.4.0-5, 0.9.4.0-6), gnome-themes-standard:armhf (3.4.2-1, 3.4.2-2), libnm-util2:armhf (0.9.4.0-5, 0.9.4.0-6), libnm-glib4:armhf (0.9.4.0-5, 0.9.4.0-6)
[20:41] <digitlman> that is what was upgraded
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[20:46] <thrawed> digitlman: hdmi is overrated
[20:46] <AC`97> y no optical video
[20:46] <digitlman> yes it is, but I would like to see
[20:46] <thrawed> digitlman: real pi users have all the commands memorised and uses the pi without a screen
[20:46] <digitlman> lol
[20:46] <digitlman> ah huh
[20:46] <scummos> oc
[20:47] <scummos> *ofc
[20:47] <scummos> *real* pi users don't need a keyboard
[20:47] <scummos> they send the commands with a screwdriver
[20:47] <digitlman> regardless, I would like to un-kill the hdmi
[20:47] <AC`97> i can at least log in and edit a text file (change config options) blind
[20:47] <AC`97> :D
[20:47] <AC`97> except my pi hasn't seen a keyboard in its life so far..
[20:47] <chithead> real users talk to the spi with a jumper
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[20:48] <thrawed> I suppose if you're really desperate you could use gpio leds to blink out the terminal in morse code
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[20:49] <AC`97> thrawed: binary.
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[20:49] <AC`97> real users read binary.
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[20:50] <scummos> real users use a microphone and whistling for input
[20:50] <digitlman> real users just think and it does
[20:50] <scummos> http://xkcd.com/378/
[20:51] <des2> Damn emacs.
[20:51] <imark> real users just use, power users are all powerful
[20:51] <SgrA> Indeed.
[20:52] <AC`97> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2416-Red-LED-3mm-Dot-Matrix-Display-Information-Board-/250847934996 <- i bitbanged one of these with a couple switches before
[20:52] <AC`97> i suppose i looked like a switchmonkey to my employees.
[20:52] <midnightyell_> ...can translate oscilloscope output to HDMI in their heads
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[20:56] <scummos> :D
[20:56] <scummos> how good an oscilloscope would you need for that to work?
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[20:57] <AC`97> how much time would it take to decode one pixel?
[20:58] <scummos> probably at most 1/refresh_rate/pixel_count seconds
[20:58] <AC`97> ...
[20:58] <scummos> ;P
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[21:13] <AC`97> i'm making a pi media player. i'm calling it PiMP
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[21:14] <AC`97> PiMP for your media collection, yo.
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[21:14] <AC`97> ... or perhaps not.
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[21:15] <mithodin> Hey guys. I just wanted to reboot my raspberry pi (running raspian), and now it freezes in boot after the message: bcm2835-cpufreq: switching to governor powersave
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[21:16] <AC`97> mithodin: got any underclock ??
[21:16] <AC`97> or undervolt, i mean
[21:16] <mithodin> didn't change anything
[21:16] <mithodin> standard volts and hertz
[21:17] <AC`97> and overclock.
[21:17] <AC`97> how long have you been running it without problems ??
[21:17] <mithodin> must have had an uptime of about three to four weeks
[21:17] <mithodin> probabely more
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[21:18] <AC`97> how many reboots ?
[21:18] <mithodin> on raspian? one, when I updated the firmware
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[21:20] <mithodin> I used the standard debian image before that
[21:20] <mithodin> never had any problems
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[21:23] <atouk> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "CPU revision"
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[21:23] <mithodin> oh, and I use the firmware updater by Hexxeh
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[21:24] <AC`97> mithodin: there's your problem.
[21:25] <mithodin> I was under the impression that was the standard way to update. What problem is there?
[21:25] <AC`97> no clue
[21:25] <AC`97> it broke my system. perhaps it broke yours
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[21:25] <AC`97> it also broke a lot of other people's systems too
[21:25] <mithodin> like permanently broke?
[21:26] <mithodin> or fixable broke?
[21:26] <AC`97> well, everything broke is fixable for me
[21:26] <AC`97> i use archlinux on everything :P
[21:26] <dirty_d> me too
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[21:26] <mithodin> but you can still brick things by flashing wrong firmware
[21:26] <AC`97> false
[21:26] <AC`97> there is no "flashing"
[21:27] <mithodin> ah, I see
[21:27] <AC`97> just updating files on your sd card's boot partition
[21:27] <mithodin> okay, so what do I do? change the firmware back from my computer?
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[21:27] <AC`97> got a backup? no? too bad for you :P
[21:27] <mithodin> I do have the original image
[21:27] <AC`97> i have over 20 backups already, heh..
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[21:28] <AC`97> then reimage away :D
[21:28] * AC`97 makes another backup
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[21:28] <atouk> ac is very ppular at certain clubs. always backing up....
[21:29] <AC`97> 29 backups nao.
[21:29] <AC`97> er, making my 29th*
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[21:29] <maicod> hi if I want to use mount.smbfs to mount a network computer what package do I need to install ?
[21:29] <AC`97> i also have a 4 SSD raid1 array
[21:29] <AC`97> maicod: samba.
[21:29] <AC`97> and use mount.cifs
[21:30] <maicod> oh whats the difference ?
[21:30] <maicod> it needs to mount windows shares
[21:30] <AC`97> same difference.
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[21:30] <mithodin> I thought samba was deprecated?
[21:31] <thrawed> samba is too heavy for the pi
[21:31] <thrawed> cifs is more appropriate
[21:31] <maicod> so I need to do apt-get install cifs ?
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[21:32] <AC`97> /usr/bin/mount.cifs is owned by cifs-utils 5.6-2
[21:32] <AC`97> (no clue)
[21:33] <maicod> AC`97: how would I normally find that out myself ?
[21:33] <maicod> apt-cache search ?
[21:33] <mithodin> maicod: apt-cache search <foobar>
[21:33] <maicod> ah indeed
[21:33] <maicod> thanks
[21:33] <maicod> so I install cifs-utils then
[21:33] <maicod> btw I'm xchatting from the Pi cool eh :P
[21:34] <AC`97> eww xchat
[21:34] <maicod> whi8ch is better ?
[21:34] <maicod> oops typo
[21:34] <AC`97> :)
[21:35] <mithodin> I use pidgin ;-)
[21:35] <maicod> pidgin is msn I thought
[21:35] <mithodin> it does that as well as icq, jabber, irc and a shitload of other protocols
[21:35] <maicod> oh hehe
[21:36] <maicod> does it look like mirc ?
[21:36] <maicod> I like that look the most
[21:36] <SIFTU> I would think bitlbee would be lighter
[21:36] <mithodin> I don't know mirc
[21:36] <maicod> ok :)
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[21:36] <SIFTU> or finch
[21:37] <mithodin> finch is the non-graphical interface to purple, whereas pidgin is the one for X
[21:37] <SIFTU> yeah
[21:37] <Matt> is finch any less bloaty?
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[21:38] <SIFTU> Matt: I would guess since it doesnt have to use the X stuff, not sure I use bitlbee
[21:38] <AC`97> no.
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[21:40] <maicod> I tried this:
[21:40] <maicod> root@raspberrypi:~# mount.cifs //nieuw/c /1
[21:40] <maicod> mount error: could not resolve address for nieuw: Unknown error
[21:40] <maicod> nieuw is the right name
[21:40] <maicod> why does it say could not resolve ?
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[21:41] <maicod> ah it works with the IP
[21:41] <maicod> I used the 192.168.x.x nr of the computer
[21:43] <dirty_d> i cant wait to get out of work, so bored
[21:43] <mithodin> damn, my usb hub seems to be broken somehow
[21:45] <SIFTU> maicod: you probably just have to use a FQDN or add your domain to /etc/resolv.conf if you want to use the shortname
[21:46] <maicod> or the etc/hosts file ?
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[21:47] <SIFTU> well you could, but if there is a dns entry somewhere its best to use the server
[21:47] <maicod> OK
[21:47] <maicod> thx
[21:48] <SIFTU> especially if the IP of nieuw changes
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[21:49] <maicod> siftu: okay but thats controlled by myself. I fixed with the mac address to the 192.168.3.2 IP
[21:49] <maicod> its.....
[21:50] <SIFTU> maicod: yep, i'm just talking best practices.. hosts files go out of date and cause problems in the long run
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[21:50] <maicod> yeah I realise thanks !
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[21:56] <irgendwer4711> hi, had anyone a "dissapearing" usb-sticks problem? the device is gone suddenly?
[21:56] <AC`97> what shows dmesg ??
[21:57] <irgendwer4711> nothing
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[21:57] <irgendwer4711> and a new mount is not possible: mount: special device /dev/sda does not exist
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[21:57] <irgendwer4711> the stick is still "online" its led is glowing.
[21:58] <SIFTU> irgendwer4711: it's not in lsusb?
[21:58] <midnightyell_> I'd try it on a powered USB hub
[21:58] <irgendwer4711> its a powerd hub and its in lsusb.
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[21:59] <SIFTU> irgendwer4711: what about fdisk -l
[21:59] <irgendwer4711> maybe I should measure the power on the board
[21:59] <midnightyell_> so there's no device node -- that is "ls /dev/sd*" has no listing for /dev/sda ?
[21:59] <irgendwer4711> fdisk -l shows the mmc
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[21:59] <SIFTU> irgendwer4711: just the one drive?
[22:00] <chitbrain> irgendwer4711: cat /var/log/error*
[22:00] <irgendwer4711> no /dev/sd* shown
[22:00] <irgendwer4711> fdisk show my 2 partitions
[22:00] <SIFTU> k
[22:00] <irgendwer4711> there is no errorlog
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[22:01] <irgendwer4711> syslog shows no errors
[22:02] <irgendwer4711> I check the power
[22:02] <chitbrain> it shouldn't just disappear without warning though
[22:02] <chitbrain> are you sure dmesg doesn't show it being removed?
[22:02] <irgendwer4711> 4,84v
[22:03] <dennistlg> bisschen wenig
[22:03] <irgendwer4711> no error in dmesg
[22:03] <irgendwer4711> dennistlg: das soll aber so normal sein
[22:04] <irgendwer4711> guys, whats the normal voltage at tp1?
[22:04] <dennistlg> not any usb device can run with that voltage i know webcams under 4,9v they have problems
[22:05] <irgendwer4711> dennistlg: das war am raspberry!
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[22:05] <dennistlg> i know that you mean the pi ;-)
[22:06] <irgendwer4711> "which he reports stable with no problems even with a low TP1-TP2 voltage of 4.65 - 4.68 volts. "
[22:06] <sirclockalot> what is the best way to play music from mac to the raspberry pi without having to install xbmc
[22:06] <sirclockalot> ???
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[22:07] <cjdavies> what options are there for LCDs to display text?
[22:07] <cjdavies> something with a decent number of lines, et 20+
[22:07] <dennistlg> irgendwer i have 4,92v on tp1
[22:08] <irgendwer4711> dennistlg: what devices are connected?
[22:08] <[SLB]> 20 lines displays?
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[22:08] <cjdavies> or more, does such a thing exist?
[22:09] <cjdavies> or is it just better to go for a bitmap display at that size?
[22:09] <[SLB]> sounds like a lot of lines
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[22:09] <[SLB]> i ordered a nokia display and a 16*2 char ones
[22:09] <dennistlg> my power supply can deliver 15A on 5v i have conectet a 2,5" hdd (without own power) and a hub
[22:10] <dennistlg> on thhe hub usb stick dvb-t card and a receiver for keyb and mouse
[22:10] <irgendwer4711> dennistlg: my power supplay has 2A
[22:10] <irgendwer4711> usbstick and wlanstick are connected to the usb-hub
[22:10] <dennistlg> have modet the polyfuses on the usb ( bridged them)
[22:10] <cjdavies> essentially I want a LCD that can display a terminal in a usable manner
[22:11] <midnightyell_> I would mknod /dev/sda again (someone can tell you the major/minor numbers) then see if you can mount the usb stick again
[22:11] <irgendwer4711> hm
[22:12] <midnightyell_> cjdavies: that sounds expensive. Better to find an old serial terminal, I'd think
[22:12] <dennistlg> input voltage on micro usb is 5,01v on my pi
[22:12] <cjdavies> midnightyell_: I want something portable though, not a CRT...
[22:12] <midnightyell_> laptop, then ;)
[22:12] <dennistlg> i like to conect a csi cam and a dsi display.
[22:13] <cjdavies> I'm talking 3-4" here
[22:13] <cjdavies> not 10"+
[22:13] <dennistlg> have both of them lying around
[22:13] <midnightyell_> I've never seen a LCD bigger than about 8 lines x 16 characters
[22:13] <[SLB]> rear mirror lcd's for cars are fine
[22:13] <dennistlg> but broadcom ...
[22:13] <cjdavies> [SLB]: yup I found those, but trying to do 640x480 over composite video won't result in clean text
[22:13] <advancednewbie> I have a TFT 480*240 I think?
[22:13] <midnightyell_> unless you're talking a bitmapped display, which it sounds like you are
[22:14] <advancednewbie> pixels
[22:14] <[SLB]> oh :\
[22:14] <advancednewbie> roughly 4in x 2.5in
[22:14] <[SLB]> i feel it'd be quite difficult then
[22:14] <cjdavies> so my issue is, that a bitmapped display will have the resolution required to display enough terminal lines, but will need to connect via composite which will not result in clean text
[22:14] <advancednewbie> If you're connecting up to the pi a cheap $30 rear camera should be pretty good
[22:15] <cjdavies> whereas a text LCD will be clear, but something with more than 4 lines doesn't seem to exist/is expensive
[22:15] <advancednewbie> RCA connectiong
[22:15] <advancednewbie> connection*
[22:15] <cjdavies> 640x480 over composite isn't good in my experience
[22:15] <midnightyell_> you could use GPIO pins to drive it; or make a separate driver chip that talks to the Pi over SPI
[22:15] <advancednewbie> The TFT LCD I have now has a bunch of pinouts and an sd card reader (have it hooked up to the arduino)
[22:16] <advancednewbie> But for the pi I would get a rear camera monitor
[22:16] <advancednewbie> and maybe a touchscreen to fit over it
[22:16] <advancednewbie> (clear)
[22:16] <Matt> well that's cause neither NTSC or PAL is 640x480 :)
[22:16] <cjdavies> I don't want text, I only want to display a terminal (think tty)
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[22:16] <cjdavies> s/text/touch/
[22:19] <Matt> grab yourself a vt420 or something similar? :)
[22:19] <advancednewbie> www.ebay.ca/itm/4-3-Inch-Screen-Car-TFT-LCD-Monitor-Car-Reverse-Rear-View-Backup-Camera-/140850415382?pt=US_Rear_View_Monitors_Cams_Kits&hash=item20cb56c716
[22:20] <advancednewbie> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Nintendo-DS-Touch-Screen-Connector-Perfect-w-Arduino-UNO-/190636192921?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c62cd7499
[22:20] <cjdavies> 320x240 isn't enough for a terminal
[22:20] <cjdavies> this one claims 640x480 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3-5-TFT-LCD-Rear-view-car-Mirror-640x480-Monitor-fr-Backup-camera-PAL-NTSC-/120932901267?pt=UK_In_Car_Technology&hash=item1c2829a193#ht_3062wt_1119
[22:20] <advancednewbie> (need a bigger one that that though - the touchscreen)
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[22:20] <cjdavies> but yeah, not bothered for touch
[22:20] <advancednewbie> Just an idea though
[22:21] <advancednewbie> These monitors are really cheap
[22:21] <midnightyell_> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ELECTRONIC-ASSEMBLY/EA-DOGM128L-6/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvkC18yXH9iIm5JIOLURcVOww8Rkf6QVc4%3d
[22:21] <cjdavies> 128x64 is nowhere near enough!
[22:22] <cjdavies> that's barely enough for 4 lines
[22:22] <advancednewbie> That's pretty much like a nokia 5110
[22:22] <midnightyell_> then you get to throw money at the problem :)
[22:22] <[SLB]> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005JSMM9K/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_4?ie=UTF8&smid=A3V6BK4D0HKA8F
[22:22] <[SLB]> 5110 is what i ordered
[22:22] <midnightyell_> or salvage a screen from somewhere
[22:22] <advancednewbie> I have a 5110 - they work nicely
[22:22] <advancednewbie> (arduino)
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[22:23] <[SLB]> i wonder how long it's going to take for them to arrive...
[22:23] <cjdavies> 5110 is 84x48
[22:23] <dennistlg> advancednewbie i have one on the pi
[22:23] <advancednewbie> Didn't pay more than $7 did you?
[22:23] <cjdavies> I'm not going to get anything less than 640x480 for my needs
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[22:23] <[SLB]> it was 4 i think
[22:24] <cjdavies> screen from my Nokia E6 would be nice actually...
[22:24] <cjdavies> that's 640x480...
[22:24] <advancednewbie> snakefreak, so it's working good?
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[22:24] <snakefreak> yes with modified adafruit adruino libary
[22:24] <advancednewbie> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Mini-4-3-TFT-LCD-Car-Monitor-Rear-View-Reverse-Backup-Camera-CCTV-DVD-VCR-/251103707838?pt=US_Rear_View_Monitors_Cams_Kits&hash=item3a76f282be
[22:24] <snakefreak> mine is from a nokia 3310 but it hase same controler
[22:24] <snakefreak> only other pinout
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[22:25] <cjdavies> how would one connect a raspi to something like this? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-ORIGINAL-NEW-REPLACEMENT-LCD-SCREEN-DISPLAY-FOR-NOKIA-E6-00-E6-00-E600-/270970635271?pt=UK_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item3f171bc407#ht_5234wt_1276
[22:25] <cjdavies> would you have to write your own driver?
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[22:26] <advancednewbie> You would need something to deal with the graphics
[22:26] <snakefreak> cjdaves have lying around a screen from noka 5800 its the same i think
[22:26] <snakefreak> also i have the cam from the phone
[22:26] <cjdavies> 5800 screen != e6 screen
[22:26] <advancednewbie> I have one I bought awhile back that has the chip and screen, etc, and has a 36pin header
[22:26] <cjdavies> the e6 is a square screen
[22:26] <snakefreak> but dsi and csi is not working yet
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[22:28] <advancednewbie> This one works awesome with the arduino: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270939250820
[22:29] <advancednewbie> I'm making an environment controller with it.
[22:29] <advancednewbie> Here's my vid here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdbVDJd1Mcc
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[22:30] <dcm1977> hi all, i a still struggling to make any head way on recovering a corrupt sd card.... it has just one project file that I would really like to get ... when i try to boot from the sd i get the following message Kernel Panic : VFS :Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block. The dos partition is recognised on my mac. Any top tips or should i just give up!!
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[22:33] <blarson__> dcm1977: put it in a linux system and mount the partition read-only. Only run fsck on it if you can't get the file that way.
[22:34] <scummos> dcm1977: before doing anything do a backup of the card using dd
[22:34] <[SLB]> and maybe consider to switch the system over an usb drive, to me that's been more reliable
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[22:34] <scummos> you can also cat the sdcard and grep for what you want
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[22:43] <[diecast]> advancednewbie: what type of environment? i cant watch your video now
[22:43] <cjdavies> how on earth can you grep the output of a raw block device?
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[22:43] <cjdavies> scummos: ^
[22:44] <cjdavies> or grep for binary files if he actually manages to mount the FS?
[22:44] <[diecast]> cjdavies: you would have an application do the mounting
[22:44] <[diecast]> you can open raw devices with many languages
[22:45] <cjdavies> my point was scummos made it sound like you could just do 'cat /dev/sda1 | grep "important stuff"'
[22:45] <Matt> you almost can
[22:45] <Matt> you might wanna feed it through "strings"
[22:45] <Matt> :)
[22:46] <[diecast]> that would be interesting, but no.
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[22:48] <scummos> cjdavies: that's because you can
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[22:49] <scummos> cjdavies: try it
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[22:49] <scummos> you need a piece of the text in a text file or so to grep for, of course
[22:49] <scummos> but then, if you specify the right grep options, you'll get the byte offset and can recover your file with dd
[22:50] <scummos> (I already did successful data recovery with cat, grep and dd)
[22:50] <[diecast]> are you sure you are talking about raw devices?
[22:50] <[diecast]> or just file systems that are not mounted yet
[22:51] <scummos> what's a raw device for you?
[22:51] <scummos> /dev/sda or so?
[22:52] <[diecast]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_device
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[22:53] <scummos> hm. do they really format data differently
[22:53] <midnightyell_> I have 6-7 printers and scanners I need to take apart. I keep collecting them for parts and not actually removing the parts. I think I know what I should do tonight...
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[22:53] <cjdavies> if you cat a raw device you get nonesense
[22:53] <scummos> okay
[22:53] <[diecast]> scummos: yes
[22:53] <Matt> you don't get nonsense
[22:53] <cjdavies> without knowing what filesystem is in use (& mounting it) you get nothing sensible, surely
[22:53] <[diecast]> you get what it is
[22:54] <scummos> well why
[22:54] <midnightyell_> just because it doesn't make sense to a human doesn't make it nonsense
[22:54] <[diecast]> well that depends, if it is some oracle db then sure it makes sense to oracle
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[22:54] <Matt> midnightyell_: exactly
[22:54] <scummos> I can just cat /dev/sda and grep for some text
[22:54] <scummos> that works
[22:54] <[diecast]> is it mounted
[22:54] <scummos> where's the difference to what doesn't work...?
[22:54] <cjdavies> but it won;t be an oracle database - it'll be an oracle database represented according to the FS
[22:54] <scummos> yes but how does that matter, [diecast]
[22:54] <[diecast]> and is that a file system
[22:54] <cjdavies> without knowing what FS is being used, the data is useless
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[22:54] <scummos> [diecast]: no, it's a hard drive
[22:54] <scummos> cjdavies: er, no
[22:55] <scummos> [diecast]: it has a partition table and stuff
[22:55] <[diecast]> because you can't do grep "some text" /dev/sdj
[22:55] <scummos> in it
[22:55] <scummos> [diecast]: well try it
[22:55] <[diecast]> if /dev/sdj is a raw block device
[22:55] <scummos> is /dev/sda a raw block device?
[22:55] <[diecast]> i dont know your system =)
[22:55] <scummos> (assuming it's a serial hard disk)
[22:56] <[diecast]> i dont know whats on it
[22:56] <scummos> a partition table
[22:56] <scummos> and two partitions
[22:56] <[diecast]> i would use sfdisk or something to check
[22:56] <mjr> you actually can grep a block device, though the usefulness may be limited
[22:56] <[diecast]> then figure out what i need to do to get the text i want
[22:56] <[diecast]> all i am saying is if you have a raw block device in an unknown format you cant expect grep "some text" to return your result
[22:57] <scummos> you can't necessarily count on it, but I tried with ext and FAT formatted devices, and it works for both
[22:57] <[diecast]> sure
[22:57] <scummos> of course the FS could somehow mangle the data
[22:57] <[diecast]> sounds reasonable
[22:57] <cjdavies> in fact it will probably *always* match - if you consider the amount of data on the device which will seem 'random' to grep
[22:57] <[diecast]> i think the use of the term "raw device" was used loosely in context earlier
[22:57] <scummos> cjdavies: it doesn't just match, it returns what I grep for + correct context from where it occurs
[22:58] <cjdavies> fine, I'm going to try it with a USB flash drive & paste all the output
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[22:58] <scummos> cjdavies: go ahead, just use -a :)
[22:58] <scummos> (grep -a)
[22:58] <maicod> when my Pi is using WIFI internet and I log in to it with an ssh client it sometimes doesn't want to connect (it looks like the wifi connection has idled out or so) and when typing commands in the ssh client the commands appear slightly delayed. this doesnt happen with the Pi on wired LAN. is there something I can make the wifi connection not 'time out' and the typing responses better ?
[22:59] <scummos> obviously you can't grep in word documents or so
[22:59] <[diecast]> maicod: power drain maybe
[22:59] <[diecast]> what is your pwoer source
[22:59] <scummos> also maybe bad signal, maicod?
[22:59] <[diecast]> i spent 2 hours on my first night with the pi battling power issues =)
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[23:00] <advancednewbie> [diecast], The environment controller is for growing indoors
[23:00] <[diecast]> now i always think to check that first
[23:00] <[diecast]> advancednewbie: cool... my current project is for my vivarium
[23:00] <maicod> diecast: its the power adaptor sold by RS components alongside my Pi order
[23:00] <maicod> its 1A
[23:00] <advancednewbie> That would be cool too
[23:00] <chitbrain> you think it's 1A
[23:00] <[diecast]> maicod: ok, then possible signal loss like scummos said
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[23:01] <maicod> signall loss meaning bad wifi signal
[23:01] <nid0> maicod: your most likely issue is wifi power saving not being handled by your router correctly
[23:01] <advancednewbie> [diecast], you going to do automatic feeding n' stuff?
[23:01] <maicod> ?
[23:01] <[diecast]> advancednewbie: i am working on this, yes
[23:01] <[diecast]> currently i have temp/humidity all set. relays are on order for heating pad and UVB control
[23:01] <scummos> haha nice
[23:01] <advancednewbie> Right on... I plan on doing auto nutrient mixing sooner or later
[23:01] <maicod> I think the wifi connection idles when there's no activity and that makes the sshd not respond promptly
[23:02] <scummos> let's build a mars rover based on the pi
[23:02] <AC`97> maicod: which what wifi adapter ??
[23:02] <AC`97> cheapo tiny one??
[23:02] <maicod> ac:wl-329 sitecom
[23:02] <[diecast]> advancednewbie: thats awesome. would that be with pre-formulated mixture?
[23:02] <maicod> it works very good
[23:02] <scummos> it's funny how awesome the pi is compared to the voyager hardware
[23:02] <scummos> especially in terms of power consumption
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[23:02] <advancednewbie> Yes, but it must increase the ppm count over time (when the plants get bigger)
[23:02] <cjdavies> scummos: you sir, are a wizard --> http://paste2.org/p/2266941
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[23:03] <maicod> ac: its not cheapo brand and also not so tiny
[23:03] <AC`97> :|
[23:03] <advancednewbie> Liquid mixture.
[23:03] <scummos> cjdavies: :D nice
[23:03] <[diecast]> advancednewbie: wow, cool. do you have some documents on your actions
[23:03] <advancednewbie> http://sourceforge.net/projects/envirocontrol/
[23:03] <cjdavies> though I wonder how well it would work with some more exotic FS like btrfs
[23:03] <cjdavies> rather than good ol FAT32
[23:04] <advancednewbie> http://sourceforge.net/projects/arduinovblab/
[23:04] <scummos> cjdavies: I have no idea, but I'd guess most FSs don't mangle the data they store
[23:04] <scummos> cjdavies: if only for performance reasons
[23:04] <scummos> it might well be split or something for larger files, tough
[23:04] <AC`97> maicod: try turning off power management
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[23:04] <scummos> cjdavies: but hey, you can just format your stick with btrfs and try it out
[23:04] <cjdavies> scummos: but they may store it in a manner that grep can't interpret as plaintext
[23:04] <cjdavies> hah, I don't have that much time to kill ;P
[23:04] <cjdavies> but I've learned something tonight
[23:04] <AC`97> iwconfig wlan0 power off or similar
[23:04] <scummos> cjdavies: well, which means it will need to be converted to that format and back when read/written
[23:05] <[diecast]> advancednewbie: im going to be using the raspi and python/c
[23:05] <cjdavies> yes, but that is no longer cat'ing a raw device - that 'conversion' would essentially be mounting the FS
[23:05] <nid0> maicod: run iwconfig wlan0, check for the power management line
[23:05] <maicod> ac: ah is that power management of the Pi or of the wifi dongle
[23:05] <maicod> ?
[23:05] <maicod> OK
[23:05] <AC`97> wifi dongle
[23:06] <maicod> cool
[23:06] <maicod> lemme see
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[23:06] <scummos> cjdavies: I meant, the FS would need to do that
[23:06] <advancednewbie> [diecast], Yeah, I'm changing everything to rasp pi and making the arduino do all the decision making. Some python on the pi and the rest c
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[23:06] <cjdavies> scummos: yes, but if we're talking about cat'ing the raw device there is no FS logic going on
[23:06] <[diecast]> cjdavies: that was always the expected output
[23:06] <maicod> AC`97: Power Management:on
[23:06] <[diecast]> in your paste
[23:07] <cjdavies> cat will get the raw representation of the file on the disk, if that isn't intelligible as plaintext to cat then it will fail to find anything
[23:07] <nid0> maicod: iwconfig wlan0 power off
[23:07] <nid0> problem solved
[23:07] <maicod> OK will do
[23:07] <AC`97> indeed.
[23:07] <maicod> will it save that setting ?
[23:07] <AC`97> no.
[23:07] <maicod> how to make it permanent ?
[23:07] <[diecast]> advancednewbie: excellent, your setup seems more involved with graphs and such
[23:07] <AC`97> set it on every boot. perhaps /etc/rc.local or similar
[23:07] <maicod> oK
[23:07] <[diecast]> i'll be looking for the raspi version ;)
[23:07] <maicod> will do :)
[23:07] <nid0> or in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:08] <maicod> ok
[23:08] <advancednewbie> [diecast], Most of the arduino programming is done along with my relay box I made. Just need to get the pi and the arduino talking - going to use gnuplot, etc
[23:08] <cjdavies> I thought there was a conversation going on about configuring AC97 but only just realised it is somebody's nick...
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[23:08] <advancednewbie> I don't want VB invovled with this time
[23:08] <advancednewbie> involved*
[23:08] <[diecast]> advancednewbie: what made you want to build your own relay
[23:09] <advancednewbie> Cheap
[23:09] <advancednewbie> Bought all the parts for <$50
[23:09] <[diecast]> for those who are interested the adafruit pi cobbler is back in stock - http://www.adafruit.com/products/914
[23:09] <[diecast]> advancednewbie: nice
[23:09] <advancednewbie> And I need a heavyduty mechanical relay for the lights
[23:10] <AC`97> why not solid state relays
[23:10] <[diecast]> how much wattage is being used at peak?
[23:10] <advancednewbie> I have some plexiglass and am going to install the screen in that so the relay box will become the control unit as well
[23:10] <advancednewbie> 1000W
[23:10] <AC`97> that's not a lot.
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[23:11] <advancednewbie> it switches when the AC wave is at zero
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[23:11] <AC`97> O.o
[23:11] <AC`97> wow.. never thought about that
[23:11] <advancednewbie> This is the one I have : http://www.benk.ca/node/10
[23:12] <maicod> does raspbian wheezy sept 18 version support compile environment for programs out of the box ?
[23:12] <advancednewbie> The other plugs I use these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-CH-Channels-Optocoupler-Relay-Control-Board-Isolated-/380380655274?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5890742eaa
[23:13] <AC`97> i use the 2-channel board
[23:13] <advancednewbie> Wrong link (1st one): http://www.idec.com/language/english/catalog/Relays/RSSSeries.pdf
[23:13] <AC`97> do you use pi to control those relays ??
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[23:13] <advancednewbie> Arduino controls them
[23:13] <advancednewbie> 5v
[23:13] <AC`97> ?
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[23:14] <advancednewbie> I use a DIN rail to split the 120V to each relay
[23:14] <nid0> maicod: yes
[23:15] <maicod> nid0: ah cool . I wanna compile Amsn
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[23:15] <[diecast]> i ordered this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160826465383?var=460080367025&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_3110wt_1262
[23:15] <AC`97> advancednewbie: are the relays activated by pulling input pin to ground?
[23:16] <[diecast]> i think it was on AC`97 recommendation
[23:16] <advancednewbie> Yep
[23:16] <AC`97> advancednewbie: the pi can control it then. just power it from 5v, and use GPIO to pull it low
[23:16] <advancednewbie> [diecast], that looks more like the one I have
[23:16] <AC`97> or check the voltage on the pins first, just to be safe
[23:17] <advancednewbie> I'm using a mega for the extra pin to run the touchscreen as well
[23:17] <advancednewbie> Coding is done for the mega
[23:17] <advancednewbie> (almost)
[23:17] <advancednewbie> so I'll just communicate to rasp pi through serial
[23:17] <advancednewbie> pins*
[23:19] <advancednewbie> I'm just going to change my serial messages to a linear format: time,value1,value2, etc
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[23:19] <advancednewbie> and write a python script on the pi to split it
[23:20] <AC`97> why not binary format? :]
[23:20] <advancednewbie> It is!
[23:20] <advancednewbie> Then converted to decimal
[23:21] <advancednewbie> :^{ )
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[23:22] <advancednewbie> (Movember's coming up)
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[23:24] <maicod> gonna reboot possibly back soon :)
[23:24] <advancednewbie> possibly?
[23:24] <advancednewbie> lol
[23:24] <advancednewbie> Good luck!
[23:24] <maicod> LOL
[23:25] <maicod> thanks
[23:25] <[diecast]> hah
[23:25] <advancednewbie> :)
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[23:25] <advancednewbie> [diecast], have any programming done yet?
[23:25] <advancednewbie> For the vivarium?
[23:26] <[diecast]> very little. i am doing this completely backwards than i would normally
[23:26] <advancednewbie> hardware 1st?
[23:26] <[diecast]> since i have VERY little electronics experience i am focusing on that and testing components
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[23:26] <advancednewbie> Ahh.
[23:26] <advancednewbie> Well you can't go wrong with those relays
[23:26] <[diecast]> good =)
[23:27] <advancednewbie> They turn on/off a 100W light bulb no problem
[23:27] <advancednewbie> Haven't really tested anything more than that
[23:27] <[diecast]> my uvb is only 26w
[23:27] <advancednewbie> Yeah, I don't imagine you'll need much
[23:28] <advancednewbie> That's the light? (simulating the uv rays)
[23:28] <[diecast]> yes
[23:28] <advancednewbie> uv-bulb?
[23:28] <advancednewbie> That's nothing
[23:28] <[diecast]> http://www.amazon.com/Repti-Glo-Compact-Fluorescent-Tropical-Terrarium/dp/B00101JI2Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1348608506&sr=8-2&keywords=uvb+26w
[23:28] <advancednewbie> You were snakefreak earlier, weren't you? So you going to have a trap door for mice?
[23:28] <advancednewbie> lol
[23:28] <[diecast]> got it at an expo for $5
[23:28] <advancednewbie> Little red button
[23:29] <[diecast]> haha, no.. ;P
[23:29] <[diecast]> i have a hatchling right now... Albino ZigZag Corn snake
[23:29] <advancednewbie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2R3YMWMOO8
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[23:29] <[diecast]> it is few frozen babies
[23:29] <[diecast]> few/fed
[23:29] <advancednewbie> Better version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEhUQPq9Mf0
[23:29] <[diecast]> make everyone ill when i tell them that
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[23:30] <advancednewbie> That's a few.
[23:30] <advancednewbie> I would want a number I could count easily
[23:30] <[diecast]> i think a few is three. at least in my book
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[23:31] <[diecast]> no videos here.. still at work
[23:31] <advancednewbie> Ahh.
[23:31] <advancednewbie> Tom Green - Road Trip
[23:31] <advancednewbie> Feeding the mouse to the snake
[23:31] <[diecast]> oh, classic
[23:32] <[diecast]> hah, i remember that
[23:32] <advancednewbie> There - don't need YouTube
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[23:42] <sirclockalot> is it possible to get turbo more from /boot/config.txt?
[23:43] <sirclockalot> *turbo mode
[23:43] <AC`97> that's the only way.
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[23:46] <sirclockalot> http://www.intestinate.com/pilfs/#turbomode was sent to me by Mogwai on the Raspberrypi_dev room
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[23:49] <scummos> cjdavies: yes, sure. can always store data in an obscure format, XORed with some map or so... but why would you, except for compression stuff. probably most methods just write the raw data to the disk, making it greppable. :)
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[23:51] <[diecast]> poor horsie.
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