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IRC Log for 2012-09-26

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[0:00] <akSeya> hello folks
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[0:02] <akSeya> can anyone tell if is there a way to use this http://dx.com/p/4-5-tft-touch-screen-480-x-272-display-module-w-stylus-pen-for-arduino-blue-155830 on a raspi ?
[0:03] <SpeedEvil> not enough data to tell
[0:03] <akSeya> i'll try do get a datasheet tomorrow ;)
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[0:16] <zleap> hi
[0:17] <zleap> handed out loads of flyers for the pi today, got 2 people tell me they have one on order, :)
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[0:20] <Syconaut> heh
[0:21] <zleap> :)
[0:21] <zleap> hi Syconaut
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[0:26] <Essobi> Any stress test recommended for testing an SD card? I think mine might be acting flakey.
[0:27] <[diecast]> drop it in a ring of fire
[0:27] <Essobi> down down down, in a burning...ring of fire.
[0:27] <[diecast]> hah, exactly
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[1:00] <SIFTU> Essobi: bonnie++ will benchmark it
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[1:00] <SIFTU> or iozone
[1:00] <[diecast]> wonder if phronix will run
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[1:00] <[diecast]> or however its spelled
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[1:01] <[diecast]> http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/
[1:01] <[diecast]> everything in one
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[1:01] <[diecast]> launch startx and go to town if it loads
[1:02] <chithead> X launches quickly here
[1:02] <chithead> of course if you use a bloated desktop like xfce, that will take longer to come up
[1:02] <scummos> I like how people start calling xfce bloated now
[1:03] <[diecast]> heh
[1:03] <scummos> (not that I'd disagree, I always found it to be quite bloated, but five years ago there seemed to be a general agreement about xfce being mega-uber lightweight)
[1:03] <[diecast]> been too long since i used linux as a desktop. i dont even remember which one i liked
[1:03] <scummos> awesome is awesome
[1:03] <chithead> since version 4, xfce has been an order of magnitude larger than lightweight desktops like fluxbox, icewm or windowmaker
[1:04] <[diecast]> ahhh. fluxbox... thats the one i like
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[1:04] <scummos> or awesome
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[1:04] <[diecast]> i think i still have my startup scripts on gentoo forums
[1:05] <chithead> lxde is already borderline imo
[1:05] <scummos> well lxde is really small
[1:05] <scummos> it needs like nothing
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[1:13] <Gorroth> i did it
[1:13] <Gorroth> i bought a rpi on newark just so i can get it faster
[1:13] <Gorroth> but my order at allied elec is still in place
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[1:14] <atouk> so you'll have it before the weekend
[1:15] <Gorroth> depends where newark electronics is
[1:15] <Gorroth> if they're in newark, nj, then yes
[1:15] <atouk> well, im in NJ, and i ordered on a wed night, and got package on fri
[1:16] <Gorroth> their payment centers are in my home state of IL
[1:16] <Gorroth> their distribution center is in my home state of IL
[1:16] <Gorroth> but they're in chicago
[1:17] <atouk> chicago? so it comes with free bullet holes
[1:17] <Gorroth> hope so; i'm pro gun
[1:17] <Gorroth> could have gang member blood on the, and that's worth something
[1:18] <Gorroth> on them*
[1:18] <atouk> <-- NRA member
[1:18] <Gorroth> nice
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[1:18] <Gorroth> i should become one
[1:19] <atouk> thinking about GOA, too
[1:19] <Gorroth> what is GOA
[1:19] <Gorroth> oh
[1:19] <Gorroth> n/m
[1:19] <Gorroth> i should def join GOA... support them in getting it so i don't need stupid licenses in NY, especially overburdensome-to-get licenses
[1:20] <atouk> up to bloomberg, and NOBY gets a gun
[1:20] <atouk> obama, too
[1:20] <Gorroth> NOBY?
[1:20] <atouk> (nobody)
[1:20] <Gorroth> bloomberg only runs the city
[1:20] <atouk> tell HIM that
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[1:21] <Gorroth> but yeah, overall NY would be good, including NYC
[1:21] <Gorroth> lol, yeah
[1:21] <Gorroth> he just blatantly ignored everything and was like, "i'm mayor again... what are you gonna do about it"
[1:21] <Gorroth> "you aint got no gun"
[1:21] <atouk> meanwhild all his security carries full auto
[1:21] <atouk> (meanwhile)
[1:22] <Gorroth> well, someone may come at him with a fork or something
[1:22] <atouk> or a superlarge soda
[1:22] <Gorroth> lol, a big gulp
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[1:23] <atouk> and besides, mr bloomberg. everyone knows that a 64 oz soda has 84 oz of ice in it before they add the soda
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[1:29] <McBofh> muttermuttermutter turbomode + ondemand kills me
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[1:46] <codebrah> yo
[1:46] <codebrah> why is pibow case so gay
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[1:57] <sirclockalot> anyone get https://github.com/albertz/shairport to work on their Pi?
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[2:12] <steve_rox> what pibow case is gay?
[2:13] <chithead> I think he refers to the colors
[2:13] <steve_rox> is that the one thats made in many layers?
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[2:14] <steve_rox> its pi pride
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[2:15] <atouk> steve, did you have problems with the lst versionof the status page?
[2:15] <atouk> (last version)
[2:15] <steve_rox> status page?
[2:16] <atouk> moght have been thinking of someone else
[2:16] <steve_rox> was that that url that displayed someones pi stats?
[2:16] <atouk> yeah
[2:16] <atouk> http://69.118.23.127:8000
[2:17] <atouk> ouple people had a problem with one section
[2:17] <steve_rox> the server is 404
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[2:17] <atouk> hold on gotta change router setting
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[2:20] <atouk> try now
[2:21] <steve_rox> that got it
[2:21] <steve_rox> i rember this page :-)
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[2:22] <atouk> changed the gpio section and did some housekeeping
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[2:22] <steve_rox> i have no idea what to do with my pi now
[2:22] <atouk> get a good linux book and go chapter by chapter
[2:23] <steve_rox> i learn betteer from hands on exp
[2:23] <steve_rox> than text books
[2:23] <steve_rox> werid i know
[2:23] <atouk> that's the point. now yo have something to work with
[2:23] <chithead> on raspberrypi.org you will occasionally find interesting projects presented
[2:23] <atouk> hackaday.com too
[2:24] <steve_rox> yeah i go thu a lot of sites like that for some kinda insperaton
[2:25] <steve_rox> i find my skills are not upto a standard to what projects id wanna achive
[2:25] <atouk> think other hobby + pi = ???
[2:25] <steve_rox> not sure yet
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[2:27] <dwery> hello, I would like to connect a DVB-T usb stick to the pi and have the stream transcoded to h264. Anyone knows if there's an OpenMAX enabled encoder?
[2:27] <atouk> go to #sdrsharp. someone there has done it
[2:28] <dwery> atouk: ty
[2:29] <atouk> what sdr program were you going to run?
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[2:31] <dwery> haven't decided yet.. I bought the stick for other purposes ham radio)
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[2:32] <UnderControl> Hiya
[2:32] <atouk> try sdr# www.sdrsharp.com
[2:33] <dwery> I tried it with mono on linux but it crashed
[2:33] <dwery> gqrx works nicely
[2:33] <atouk> mono has a byte alignment bug
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[2:34] <dwery> I'll probably try it in a virtual machine
[2:34] <atouk> just dual boot and get it over with
[2:34] <dwery> I can't even remember the last time I dual booted.. I'd rather not repeat that experience :D
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[2:35] <atouk> pretty painless now. you proboly did it back in the day when large capacity hard drives needed boot managers
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[2:39] <UnderControl> Hiya, I have a dumb question... Would an ipad charger be enough to power a RPi?
[2:40] <steve_rox> no idea
[2:40] <atouk> should be. i beleive ipad charver is 2 amps
[2:40] <Matt> yeah
[2:40] <atouk> pi is happy with 700 ma
[2:40] <McBofh> UnderControl: I'm using my ipod charger - it's giving 5v @ 1A
[2:40] <Matt> I was gonna say it's fairly beefy
[2:40] <McBofh> working fine so far
[2:41] <UnderControl> Great, thanks everyone.
[2:41] <chithead> whether the charger is 700mA or 2A doesn't matter, the pi has a 700mA fuse at the microusb connector anyway
[2:41] <McBofh> my motorola defy charger only gave 850ma, I wanted more headroom
[2:41] <atouk> wifi and thumbdrives will make it choke on 700 though
[2:41] <chithead> much more important is the question whether the voltage drops under load (which the pi does not like)
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[2:42] <UnderControl> At most the only USB device ill plug in is a keyboard and a mouse.
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[2:43] <atouk> wireless?
[2:43] <UnderControl> Wired for the beginning.
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[2:44] <atouk> wired mice tend to draw quite a bit
[2:45] <steve_rox> i hear them new apple usb plugs tend to get stuck fast in sockets or something
[2:45] <McBofh> my bluetooth kbd/mouse combo made my pi eat kittens
[2:46] <atouk> anything more than a wifi or thumbdrive, and you should get a powered hub
[2:47] <McBofh> I've got one, but I can't find the psu for it :(
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[2:51] * UnderControl is getting his RPi tomorrow.
[2:51] <atouk> got your image on the SD already?
[2:53] <UnderControl> I'm getting that done this afternoon.
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[2:55] <atouk> like waiting for a hot date. You're all ready, but...
[2:57] <UnderControl> :P
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[3:02] <UnderControl> I have a feeling my case is still a while away
[3:04] <codebrah> i need a case too bro
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[3:04] <atouk> you're going to put it ina a case? on'y girls put their pi's in cases. that's like putting yoru wallet in a handbag. just don't do it, son.
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[3:05] <UnderControl> Atouk if I don't put a case in I have a feeling I'll drop it and break
[3:06] <atouk> that'd be pi abuse
[3:06] <codebrah> why are all cases made in UK
[3:06] <codebrah> i want a cheap *** case without paying like 50 bucks to have it shipped
[3:07] <UnderControl> I got my shipping for free.
[3:07] <atouk> isn'g adafruit in US?
[3:08] <UnderControl> That's why I got a case, to push my order past the $45 free shipping amount.
[3:08] <chithead> I think the tek-berry.40 is made by italians
[3:09] <McBofh> codebrah: I just got the invoice for my clear case from Element14 - AUD8.72 + 10%GST for a total of AUD9.59
[3:09] <McBofh> when it arrived, it had a sticker on the package saying 'shipped from our UK warehouse'
[3:09] <codebrah> thats australian money
[3:10] <UnderControl> McBofh how long did you have to wait for your case?
[3:10] <atouk> they use money? i thought they just traded with kangaroo droppings, or foster's coupons
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[3:13] <UnderControl> Atouk yeah, we use money ;)
[3:15] <codebrah> how much money is neew zealand currency worth in Australia
[3:15] <UnderControl> One AUD is something like 1:20 NZ
[3:17] <atouk> US wen't off the gold standard. Is NZ still on the sheep standard?
[3:17] <codebrah> hmm
[3:18] <McBofh> UnderControl: it was out of stockin the Sydney warehouse, so only a week :)
[3:18] <McBofh> codebrah: at the moment 1 AUD =~ 1.29NZD
[3:18] <McBofh> which has been fairly stable for about a year, iirc
[3:19] <UnderControl> McBofh cool, mines out of stock too.
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[3:32] <UnderControl> McBofh how long did you have to wait to get your RPi?
[3:32] <McBofh> less than 24 hours :)
[3:32] <McBofh> after I ordered from Element14
[3:32] <UnderControl> Mind me asking what state your in?
[3:32] <McBofh> Queensland - Brisbane
[3:33] <McBofh> hmm
[3:33] <McBofh> now that I check their lookahead page again, it's outta stock
[3:34] <McBofh> even so, supplier lead time is 27 days
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[3:41] <codebrah> man idk wat to use my raspberry pi for
[3:42] <codebrah> i was gonna use it for mobile development
[3:42] <codebrah> then i realized my laptop is better
[3:42] <felipealmeida> give it to me :P
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[3:53] <discopig> woo i got my pi in the mail today
[3:54] <discopig> i bought it not even 24h ago and it's already here
[3:54] <discopig> and it's a rev2 too
[3:54] * markbook has early adopter's envy
[3:54] <discopig> most usb wifi cards work on rev2 right?
[3:54] <discopig> since the usb ports have more power
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[4:16] <Jibual> hi how you all doing?
[4:17] <Jibual> so i know this is not exactly a r-pi question
[4:17] <Jibual> but im building an rpi cluster
[4:17] <Jibual> i have a really nice router which id setup a vlan on
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[4:18] <Jibual> but im looking for a non wireless router to connect to the cluster
[4:18] <Jibual> any ideas?
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[4:33] <discopig> hi
[4:33] <discopig> Jibual,
[4:33] <Jibual> hi
[4:33] <discopig> use a raspberry pi as switch/router
[4:33] <discopig> or a soekris
[4:33] <discopig> http://soekris.com/products/net5501.html
[4:33] <discopig> i like those
[4:33] <discopig> maybe that thing behind a switch, put freebsd on it or things like pfsense
[4:34] <discopig> it will make the best router you ever had
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[4:34] <discopig> and you can add a pcie wifi card if you need wifi
[4:35] <SIFTU> Jibual: just use a switch
[4:35] <Caleb> Jibual: how many pis are you using for your cluster
[4:35] <Jibual> no no
[4:35] <Jibual> cant use just a switch
[4:35] <Jibual> on the rpi network
[4:35] <SIFTU> why
[4:35] <Jibual> i need to create different vlans...
[4:35] <Jibual> switches dont do that
[4:36] <SIFTU> lol
[4:36] <hotwings> rpi as a switch/router?
[4:36] <SIFTU> Jibual: vlans are layer 2
[4:36] <hotwings> how much juice you think that little usb ethernet has?!
[4:37] <SIFTU> a switch is layer 2
[4:37] <Jibual> true
[4:37] <Jibual> so you're saying i can buy a 100-200 dollar switch
[4:37] <Jibual> and it will support creating vlans
[4:37] <SIFTU> you need a managed switch.. or just dedicate a port on your router to a vlan
[4:37] <Jibual> ?
[4:37] <SIFTU> then hook a switch up to that
[4:37] <SIFTU> Jibual: yes
[4:38] <Jibual> could you recommend one?
[4:38] <SIFTU> I have some crappy linksys which does it
[4:38] <SIFTU> but procurves are good and cheap
[4:39] <Jibual> eww
[4:39] <Jibual> hp...
[4:39] <Jibual> and cheap?
[4:39] <SIFTU> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833316091
[4:40] <Jibual> i need gigabit support
[4:40] <SIFTU> VLAN Support Yes
[4:40] <SIFTU> oh sorry, though that one was
[4:40] <SIFTU> hang on
[4:40] <SIFTU> how many ports?
[4:40] <Jibual> at least 4
[4:41] <Jibual> but if there is a cheap one with more ill buy it
[4:41] <SIFTU> maybe a procurve 1800-8G
[4:41] <SIFTU> but if your router will allow you to dedicate it's switch ports to vlan you can get get a $20 switch
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[4:42] <Jibual> that item is out of stock
[4:42] <Jibual> and discontinuned :(
[4:42] <SIFTU> get it from ebay
[4:42] <SIFTU> http://compare.ebay.com/like/310446689346?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&_lwgsi=y&cbt=y&bigimg=y
[4:43] <SIFTU> Jibual: anyway.. my point is switches handle vlans too
[4:44] <Jibual> thanks for the info
[4:44] <Jibual> and the education :)
[4:44] <SIFTU> Jibual: what router are you using?
[4:45] <SIFTU> I often vlan out my ports on it, and run different switches off them, or vlan tag with my switches
[4:45] <Jibual> nothing fancy
[4:45] <Jibual> just a Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH
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[4:45] <Jibual> running dd-wrt
[4:45] <SIFTU> Jibual: there you go.. you can set it up in that
[4:45] <Jibual> no
[4:45] <Jibual> not enough ports
[4:46] <Jibual> aleady using two
[4:46] <SIFTU> use 1 port
[4:46] <SIFTU> hooked up to a $20 switch
[4:46] <SIFTU> that whole switch becomes a part of that vlan
[4:46] <Jibual> right
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[4:46] <Jibual> sounds good
[4:46] <Jibual> which switch would you recommend?
[4:47] <Jibual> right the entire switch becomes part of the vlan
[4:47] <Jibual> but on the switch id like to make different vlans
[4:47] <SIFTU> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/906920/screenshots/screenshot-20120925194706.jpeg
[4:47] <Jibual> but you say I can do hat right?
[4:47] <Jibual> s/hat/that
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[4:48] <SIFTU> hmm well, if you want to create many vlans on the switch you need a managed switch
[4:48] <SIFTU> but if you just need 1 vlan for the whole switch use dd-wrt with a port on a diff vlan, hang any old switch off it
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[4:48] <SIFTU> Jibual: see in my screenshot I have ports assigned to different vlans
[4:48] <Jibual> oh no
[4:49] <Jibual> if that was the case
[4:49] <Jibual> id buy a $20 switch
[4:49] <Jibual> from my main router need to plugin in a device
[4:49] <Jibual> and on that device make multiple vlans
[4:50] <Syliss> vlans!
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[4:50] <Jibual> right i see that
[4:50] <Jibual> but is that on a switch running dd-wrt
[4:50] <Jibual> or a router?
[4:50] <SIFTU> maybe I'm missing something, I thought you wanted your cluster on a seperate vlan than your internal lan
[4:51] <Jibual> yes
[4:51] <Jibual> but i also want to split it up from there
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[4:51] <SIFTU> ok then managed switch with vlan support
[4:52] <SIFTU> you will probably have to use vlan tagging like me
[4:52] <Jibual> know of any at a good price and small
[4:52] <Jibual> vlan tagging is fine
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[4:52] <Jibual> i just need something small and cheap
[4:52] <SIFTU> get one of those 1800-8G's
[4:52] <Jibual> its just for learning and testing
[4:52] <SIFTU> managed switches cost more
[4:52] <Jibual> which one would you recommened ?
[4:52] <Jibual> and why not just buy a non-wireless router instead
[4:53] <Jibual> it be less expensive right?
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[4:53] <SIFTU> you could i guess, and just not use the routing part
[4:53] <SIFTU> but one of your ports would be used for the uplink
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[4:53] <Jibual> true id lose the uplink port
[4:54] <maicod> hi does wheezy come with a shortcut creator for lxde ?
[4:54] <SIFTU> Jibual: but in dd-wrt you can assign the WAN port to be a LAN port
[4:54] <SIFTU> so you gain one
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[4:55] <Syliss> i found an old 16~ port switch in my closet the other day
[4:56] <Syliss> i think its on a 10mb.
[4:56] <maicod> was it pink :)
[4:56] <Syliss> no
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[4:56] <maicod> LOL
[4:56] <Syliss> grey
[4:56] <Syliss> i think my friend and i used it at lan parties
[4:57] <Syliss> we each had one and ran 2 small networks for lans
[4:58] <maicod> I got an 8port 100mbit switch lying around too
[4:58] <maicod> now using a gigabit 5port one (enough for my 3 wired pcs)
[4:59] <cerjam2> i expected pink.
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[5:00] <maicod> I once used a mains cable extension on a lan party and everyone hooked on it like a chain and the wire melted . it got soft and hot
[5:00] <maicod> cerjam got my joke :)
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[5:03] <Syliss> nice
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[5:03] <Syliss> i think i need a mifi or something
[5:03] <maicod> freeagent: I remember some old newsreader for windows called free-agent :)
[5:04] <maicod> oh mifi is 3g to wifi huh
[5:04] <Syliss> also name of seagate hdd
[5:04] <maicod> ah
[5:04] <Syliss> yeah
[5:04] <maicod> handy devices
[5:04] <Syliss> since id rather not hotspot my iPhone, only 2gb/month would go fast
[5:05] <Syliss> i was thinking of doing prepaid with tmobile or virgin
[5:05] <maicod> anyone knows why LXshortcut is only a commandline tool while I saw on a website that it has a GUI ?
[5:05] <maicod> ah rite
[5:05] <maicod> tmobile prepaid got that too :P
[5:06] <steve_rox> tmobile goes bye bye in the uk soon
[5:06] <maicod> why?
[5:06] <maicod> its german huh
[5:07] <Syliss> just cause id rather not have another monthly bill
[5:07] <steve_rox> think they are desolveing the brand
[5:07] <steve_rox> orange baught em out i rember right
[5:07] <maicod> oh they get swallowed by another company
[5:07] <steve_rox> i think they are being renamed EE or sommat i dunno
[5:07] <maicod> in NL here we got it and it stays
[5:07] <steve_rox> someing to confuse the issue basicly
[5:07] <maicod> I think :)
[5:07] <Syliss> yeah would have been nice if att bought tmobile here
[5:08] <maicod> all in the UK it seems :)
[5:08] <maicod> besides me
[5:08] <maicod> Pi is from the UK so logical
[5:08] <maicod> is it already being produced in Wales ?
[5:09] <steve_rox> anyone know whats the fastest rendering browser available for the pi?
[5:09] <maicod> steve: for now I prefer netsurf
[5:09] <maicod> iceweasel is SLOW
[5:09] <steve_rox> i was trying something crazy
[5:10] <steve_rox> make it render some browser game
[5:10] <maicod> oh LOL
[5:10] <steve_rox> kinda loads but cpu is 100% and the scripts time out with remote servers
[5:10] <maicod> heh
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[5:11] <maicod> photobucket wouldnt work in netsurf btw
[5:11] <steve_rox> only thing that would render it that far was medori
[5:12] <steve_rox> everything else rendered it malformed
[5:12] <maicod> ah
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[5:12] <steve_rox> and this thing is clocked at 1ghz
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[5:13] <Syliss> its funny how many projects have shown up on hackaday, and so many people are complaining about it
[5:13] <steve_rox> complaining in what way?
[5:14] <steve_rox> they hate the pi?
[5:14] <Syliss> kinda
[5:15] <steve_rox> strange ppl
[5:15] <maicod> i'm outa here now
[5:15] <maicod> seeyas
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[5:15] <Hodapp> any given project is going to have a ton of complainers
[5:16] <Syliss> not really, just the pi projects currently
[5:17] <steve_rox> why were they expecting nuclear reactors from em?
[5:19] <Syliss> no i think they are tired of them
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[5:20] <Valen> just got my Pi yesterday, is there much point going to a class 10 vs a class 4 sd card for ~4x the price?
[5:21] <Syliss> the c10 will be faster
[5:21] <Syliss> but if you already have a c4 card just use that
[5:21] <Valen> yes, but is it $40 faster ;->
[5:21] <Valen> i don't have any cards
[5:21] <Valen> so i need to get one
[5:21] <Hodapp> Syliss: Look for any project with more than about 10 visible comments on it. At least one will be a complaint.
[5:22] <Syliss> lol
[5:22] <Syliss> Valen where do you live?
[5:22] <Valen> i can get a 4gb trancend for $12 or so, or an 8gb sandisk for $44
[5:22] <Valen> sydney australia
[5:22] <Syliss> ah
[5:22] <Syliss> idk about prices down there
[5:22] <Valen> i'm just going from local shops
[5:24] <Syliss> yeah, i know in the us you can find 4gb cards for like $6-12 same with 8gb
[5:25] <Syliss> but mostly c4 maybe c6
[5:25] <Syliss> you don't have any microsd cards?
[5:39] <McBofh> Valen: where are you looking for prices?
[5:41] <McBofh> Valen: I recommend staticice.com.au for price comparisons
[5:41] <McBofh> and then it depends on how long you care to wait :)
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[5:45] <Valen> McBofh: i'm going to get one when i get lunch so not long lol
[5:45] <McBofh> :-)
[5:45] <McBofh> I got my 16gb class4 from JB ... sandisk ultra I think it was
[5:45] <McBofh> paid $18
[5:45] <UnderControl> O.O
[5:45] <McBofh> seemed like an ok price
[5:45] * UnderControl might get that.
[5:46] <McBofh> you could try BigW or Woolies or Coles, too
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[5:47] <ladoga> Valen: http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#SD_card
[5:48] <tripgod> I paid $17 for a 16GB SanDisk extreme class 10
[5:48] <Valen> 's pretty nice
[5:48] <tripgod> I used that chart, ladoga linked while shopping for an SD card
[5:48] <tripgod> very pleased with the speed
[5:48] <ladoga> lets just say best cards are less slow. differences are very noticeable
[5:49] <ladoga> but i suggest getting fastest one you can
[5:50] <Valen> but that costs *money* lol
[5:52] <tripgod> Do you think heatsinks are necessary on the pi?
[5:52] <ladoga> and getting slower card costs time:) waiting disk operations for ages isnt nice either
[5:52] <Syliss> where from tripgod ?
[5:52] <Syliss> yes and no tripgod depends on what you are doing
[5:52] <tripgod> Syliss, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007M54E08
[5:53] <ladoga> for e.ample when upgrading packages its very noticeable. faster cards will be through in half the time
[5:53] <tripgod> I plan on using the PI as a media center, so decoding video
[5:53] <Syliss> damn thx
[5:53] <McBofh> tripgod: that's what I'm doing with mine right now
[5:53] <McBofh> xbmc
[5:53] <tripgod> I remember dealing with SD cards before all this class speed existed. SD cards were damn slow as I remembered them.
[5:53] <Syliss> i use mine with a lapdock currently
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[5:54] <Valen> tripgod: i think they still are lol
[5:54] <tripgod> McBofh, I tried the raspbmc, but I want more control over my distro, so I'm going with openelec
[5:54] <ladoga> but well... its not like one has to sit and watch it:)
[5:54] <tripgod> I installed openelec on the SD card but haven't gotten around to booting it up on the pi
[5:54] <ladoga> slower ones will work fine too. just a tradeoff
[5:54] <tripgod> Valen, it took way less time than I imagined to transfer the 2 GB for raspbian on the SD card
[5:54] <tripgod> I was like, oh it's over already? Are you sure?
[5:55] <Valen> with all the fakes out there, its an each way bet if your getting whats on the sticker anyway
[5:56] <tripgod> my SD card did come in a paper envelope, not sealed plastic
[5:56] <tripgod> fake or not, it's fast for me and I'm satisfied
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[5:57] <Valen> oh here we go http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/digital-cameras/camera-accessories/strontium-class-10-sdhc-memory-card-8gb/673807
[5:59] <Syliss> its from amazon so you can return it if its fake
[5:59] <tripgod> What kind of brand is Strontium? And it's only advertising 10MB/s
[5:59] <Valen> says class 10 on it?
[5:59] <Valen> ahh
[6:00] <tripgod> yes
[6:00] <Valen> the spiel
[6:00] <Valen> its probably writen by a monkey
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[6:00] <Valen> it also says 2.5x faster than a class 4
[6:00] <tripgod> looking at these heatsinks. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-3-Pcs-Aluminium-Heatsink-Kir-For-Raspberry-Pi-/120984722583?pt=US_Memory_Chipset_Cooling&hash=item1c2b405c97 only $4 with free shipping
[6:02] <discopig> this class 10 sd card i have is pretty fast
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[6:04] <SpeedEvil> mounting jeatsink on the CPU is a really, really bad idea
[6:05] <SpeedEvil> it is not meaningfully thermally connected to the top of the ram,
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[6:06] <SpeedEvil> and the package is mechanically fragile
[6:06] <tripgod> what are you saying, that the CPU is going to come off on its own some day?
[6:06] <SpeedEvil> if you put a heatsink on
[6:06] <Valen> how hot does it get anyway?
[6:06] <steve_rox> my cpu has a small sink on it
[6:06] <tripgod> It doesn't feel that hot when I hover my hand over it
[6:06] <SpeedEvil> put a small FAn on the bottom of the board
[6:07] <tripgod> and I don't think the ACPI works to get the temp.
[6:07] <SpeedEvil> acpi is a retarded PC nightmare
[6:09] <tripgod> acpi -t ?
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[6:18] <Jungle-Boogie> the raspberry pi rocks!
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[6:23] <discopig> it does
[6:23] <discopig> i just got mine today
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[6:33] <heathkid> hold on....
[6:34] <heathkid> external temp anywhere on my RPi is less than 30C... (IR temp thingy)
[6:35] <heathkid> CPU temp is a bit warmer but I'm not overclocking
[6:35] <Syliss> thats normal temp. 30c is good
[6:36] <heathkid> cpu is currently at 46.5C after running for about 3 weeks inside a adafruit pi box
[6:36] <heathkid> cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[6:37] <Syliss> as long as its under 80c for the ap and 65c for the lan you will be fine
[6:38] <heathkid> using an IR temp sensor, the warmest part is actually the HDMI port
[6:38] <UnderControl> Strange question, if I plug a ethernet cable into my RPi should it 'just work'?
[6:38] <heathkid> 32.8C
[6:39] <AC`97> UnderControl: what do you mean ?
[6:39] <AC`97> like, start up pi, plug in cable, start surfin' ??
[6:39] <PiRocketman> dhcp is turned on by default, so yes, plugging in a cable should generally give you internet access.
[6:39] <AC`97> i had to set up ifplugd for ethernet hotplug
[6:40] <PiRocketman> At least in Raspbian
[6:40] <PiRocketman> Don't know what OS you are running...
[6:40] <AC`97> ponies.
[6:40] <UnderControl> Raspbian.
[6:40] <PiRocketman> Recent build?
[6:41] <cerjam2> poooonies.
[6:41] <AC`97> pwnies
[6:41] <PiRocketman> Have you tried checking the cable? Plugged it into something else? Do you get a link light on your router when you plug it in to the Pi?
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[6:49] <asaru> oh hi
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[7:15] <PiRocketman> Anybody got a reliable source for Rev 2 units in the US at a decent price?
[7:18] <Jungle-Boogie> anyone using the gert board?
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[7:26] <Syliss> nope and nope
[7:26] <asaru> so i have this lcd
[7:27] <asaru> its got a board attached with composite input and some weird (i assume power) connector
[7:27] <asaru> no identification that i can find
[7:27] <asaru> whats a safe way to find out what kind of power this thing needs to run
[7:27] <PiRocketman> How many input pins for power?
[7:27] <asaru> 2
[7:28] <PiRocketman> Do you have a variable bench supply?
[7:28] <asaru> no
[7:28] <Syliss> pic?
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[7:28] <asaru> k hold on
[7:28] <asaru> its all took apart atm
[7:29] <discopig> PiRocketman, i just got a rev2 from element14
[7:29] <discopig> i bought it yesterday got it today in the mail
[7:29] <discopig> and /proc/cpuinfo shows right hardware revision
[7:30] <PiRocketman> I wonder if they are mixing old stock / new stock together or if they are entirely on rev 2 boards now.
[7:31] <Jungle-Boogie> probably waiting until rev 1 is depreciated
[7:31] <Syliss> i just want a model a
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[7:31] <Jungle-Boogie> yeah, Syliss
[7:31] <Jungle-Boogie> when that going to be released?
[7:32] <Jungle-Boogie> after rev 3 of model b?
[7:32] <PiRocketman> Sounds like by Xmas the Rev A's will be out.
[7:32] <Syliss> i hope so
[7:32] <PiRocketman> They didn't specify Xmas of what year, though....
[7:32] <Syliss> i want to use an a for my bedroom and lapdock
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[7:34] <asaru> http://i.imgur.com/eMXfL.jpg
[7:34] <Jungle-Boogie> see any reason why model a won't support wifi?
[7:34] <PiRocketman> No, but it only has the 1 USB port, so you would need a hub to hook up other devices unless you plan on running headless.
[7:35] <asaru> thats the board the lcd is attached to
[7:35] <Jungle-Boogie> i didnt know it had only one USB port
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[7:35] <asaru> well, wired, not really attached. ribbon cable and 2 other wires
[7:36] <asaru> so would i just start small go up a volt or two until it works?
[7:36] <PiRocketman> hmmm, that doesn't look like a drive board so much as a power supply.
[7:37] <asaru> well you see the cn04, that is where the ribbon cable from the lcd goes
[7:37] <PiRocketman> Can you take a picture of the port where power is meant to go?
[7:37] <asaru> i have cut it
[7:37] <asaru> but yes
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[7:37] <pseudorand> I need to monitor the temp and humidity of my fridge
[7:38] <PiRocketman> That big component in the top left looks like it might be a rectifier and I see some diodes and pretty big capacitors.
[7:38] <pseudorand> Looking at a complicated raspberry pi + arduino solution.
[7:38] <PiRocketman> That board might actually take AC instead of DC power from a wall wart.
[7:38] <pseudorand> Computer is upstairs, fridge is downstairs
[7:38] <pseudorand> so I need wifi. Any thing simpler than raspberry pi + arduino?
[7:38] <PiRocketman> Probably better off using a zigduino or something similar
[7:39] <PiRocketman> zigbee is perfect for stuff like that
[7:39] <PiRocketman> http://www.logos-electro.com/zigduino/
[7:40] <pseudorand> irc rocks!!!! Die, Google, Die!
[7:41] <pseudorand> (and thanks, of course)
[7:41] <asaru> http://i.imgur.com/M2ggG.jpg
[7:42] <PiRocketman> You will still need a zigbee radio connected to your computer upstairs, but the zigduino is probably a cheaper, more compact solution for what you want to do that a pi+arduino+wifi
[7:42] <asaru> those are the only 4 wires coming in.. the 2 on the right are a composite jack and the 2 on the left are in another pic
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[7:43] <asaru> http://i.imgur.com/hKboI.jpg
[7:43] <asaru> not a great pic
[7:43] <PiRocketman> Adafruit has a bunch of stuff on Xbee here: http://adafruit.com/category/29
[7:44] <PiRocketman> Round jacks like that are usually for taking in DC from a wall wart
[7:44] <asaru> yeah
[7:45] <asaru> i figured it was dc power but i have searched and searched on everything i could find printed on this board
[7:45] <asaru> i ahve no idea how much power to give it
[7:45] <PiRocketman> I would put it on a variable power supply and up the voltage a volt at a time while having something hooked up to composite and see what happens
[7:45] <PiRocketman> Center pin is usually positive
[7:45] <asaru> the black one?
[7:46] <asaru> that seems odd
[7:46] <PiRocketman> Red is usually +
[7:46] <asaru> also.. there is 2 wires besides the ribbon cable, that go into the lcd, and where they are attached at the board, on the back, it is labeled 'danger high voltage'
[7:46] <asaru> heh
[7:46] <asaru> red is on the outside here
[7:47] <PiRocketman> Can't tell from your picture at http://i.imgur.com/hKboI.jpg which one goes to red.
[7:47] <asaru> oh you mean in the plug
[7:47] <asaru> i cut that
[7:47] <asaru> i was going to feed it from a wall wart
[7:47] <PiRocketman> Yeah, center pin on most plugs is positive
[7:47] <PiRocketman> That is most common convention anyways
[7:48] <asaru> that is the case here, the casing comes off and red is wired to the center
[7:48] <asaru> but do you think it for sure takes dc?
[7:48] <PiRocketman> No clue, but the worst that can happen is that the smoke gets out
[7:49] <asaru> i guess
[7:49] <PiRocketman> You do know that all electronic gadgets are powered by smoke right?
[7:49] <asaru> there are 3 more of these lcd's to be had
[7:49] <Syliss> lo
[7:49] <asaru> sounds about right
[7:49] <PiRocketman> You can tell because when the smoke gets out they stop working....
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[7:50] <PiRocketman> Anyone have a solution for offline Wikipedia on Linux other than Kiwix? I've compiled it for Raspbian and it is a pig. Uses like 170MB of ram. Totally unusable.
[7:51] <Jungle-Boogie> mediawiki?
[7:52] <Syliss> okawix?
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[8:04] <des2> Why would an offline Wiki need anything other than a webbrowser with file:///...
[8:04] <PiRocketman> Because to be useful an offline wikipedia browser should contain searching, be able to open wikipedia in a compressed format, etc.
[8:05] <ln-> I don't suppose the file:// protocol allows editing the pages.
[8:05] <PiRocketman> Loading a billion different flat files in a browser isn't a good solution
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[8:08] <midnightyell> 170M of Ram? Holy God
[8:08] <PiRocketman> I can't seem to get Okawix to do much of anything in Windows. Trying to get it to just open an offline archive. Doesn't bother to tell me what format it wants it in.
[8:08] <midnightyell> I get that RAM is cheap these days, but you should at least TRY
[8:08] <PiRocketman> Wikipedia seems to prefer the .zim format, but that is a controversial choice for a number of reasons.
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[8:12] <des2> In todays bloated world 170 Meg isn't considered that much unfortunately.
[8:13] <Syliss> not when normal systems have 512mb+
[8:14] <PiRocketman> My main PC has 24 GB :)
[8:14] <McBofh> 32Gb here
[8:14] <McBofh> granted, this is a rather beefy workstation....
[8:14] <McBofh> ahem
[8:14] <PiRocketman> It looks like Okawix stores a "corpus" in a proprietary format and only supports downloading it via their website
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[8:15] <PiRocketman> Sideloading doesn't seem to be supported.
[8:15] <McBofh> is the best way to build things for the pi to use qemu, or a cross-compiler gcc?
[8:15] <PiRocketman> Not a good solution for my purposes
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[8:16] <discopig> McBofh, crosscompiler, but qemu also works
[8:16] <McBofh> cool
[8:16] <discopig> but ideally use scratchbox or something like that and have a crosscompiler environment
[8:16] <McBofh> scratchbox?
[8:17] * McBofh is new to the linux universe
[8:17] <discopig> well it seems there is no script to auto-configure scratchbox for this
[8:17] <discopig> so you may as well use qemu
[8:17] <McBofh> ok
[8:18] <discopig> and from what i see most people use qemu
[8:18] <discopig> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8478
[8:18] <discopig> example here
[8:18] <McBofh> thankyou
[8:18] <midnightyell> I have LTIB working as a cross-compiling env for the Pi
[8:18] <midnightyell> it's far from perfect, but it does make cross compiling a lot more sane
[8:19] <discopig> i've heard of that before
[8:20] <midnightyell> Right now, it defaults to building Busybox and dropbear - under 10M in use at 1st boot :)
[8:20] <PiRocketman> Mediawiki seems to require you to set up a web server and other stuff to run continuously in the background. I want something self-contained so that it isn't taking up resources when not in use
[8:21] <midnightyell> but you can take LTIB-built RPMs and install them on Raspian
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[8:37] <UnderControl> I'm probably going to screw up buying the screen cable for the RPi
[8:38] <PiRocketman> Man, Kiwix is such a resource pig. And there are still no good tools for exporting a wikipedia dump to the .zim format it uses, so you are left using an out of date version downloaded through them. Lots of languages not supported, too.
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[8:48] <gordonDrogon> morning Pions!
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[8:49] <PiRocketman> I think that is the most accurate description of us yet. We are slave to the Pi.
[8:49] <gordonDrogon> :)
[8:49] <discopig> yes
[8:50] <gordonDrogon> currently slave to my stomach which is telling me to get some breakfast...
[8:52] <Hoerie> hmm, I forgot breakfast
[8:52] <Hoerie> I guess some coffee will do
[8:55] <cerjam2> definately slaves to pie.
[8:55] * cerjam2 giggles
[8:56] <PiRocketman> Wow, I just extracted the latest Wikipedia XML dump and it is up to 40 GB uncompressed for the latest English version.
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[8:57] <PiRocketman> 9.something GB for their bz2 compressed version, but more like 14 GB to put it into a compressed form where you can work with it without having to extract the whole thing every time you want something out of it.
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[9:04] <PiRocketman> Do anyone know of someplace that sells a USB Micro to Micro adapter with an inline switch? Would love a better solution to restarting my Pi other than fishing behind my desk for the power adapter.
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[9:05] <cerjam2> PiRocketman, why not plug it into a powerstrip with an onoff button
[9:05] <cerjam2> thats what i did
[9:06] <midnightyell> wire your own switch
[9:06] <PiRocketman> Yeah, more or less what I am doing, but my power strip is inconveniently mounted. I just hate putting strain on the micro usb port by unplugging it there.
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[9:08] <PiRocketman> Ah, think I might have found one!
[9:08] <PiRocketman> http://shop.brando.com/Brando-WorkShop-USB-to-Micro-USB-Cable_p04161c0012d002.html
[9:08] <PiRocketman> Brando to the rescue
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[9:08] <PiRocketman> I don't know how I would live without them, monoprice and Deal Extreme.... :)
[9:08] <midnightyell> bonus points for using this: http://bit.ly/Slewz5
[9:09] <advancednewbie> lol
[9:09] <PiRocketman> I have a friend who is into high voltage electronics
[9:09] <PiRocketman> You should see the switches he uses
[9:10] <advancednewbie> Same switch they use for electric chairs
[9:10] <midnightyell> hah
[9:10] <PiRocketman> They actually have switches that are connected by explosions because the connection needs to be made in such a short time interval
[9:10] <midnightyell> explosive switches probably don't need to be debounced
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[9:11] <PiRocketman> I think they are one shot devices
[9:11] <advancednewbie> Just need a spring with a lot of potential
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[9:11] <GabrialDestruir> One shot devicces?
[9:11] <PiRocketman> Switching so much current that it ruins/deforms the cable
[9:11] <PiRocketman> Things like high Tesla magnetic field generators
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[9:11] <GabrialDestruir> Oh
[9:11] <midnightyell> like an EPO switch; explosively fires a non-conductive blade through the 3" supply cable
[9:11] <PiRocketman> He does stuff like shrinks quarters using magnetic forces :)
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[9:12] <GabrialDestruir> Think if you had 10 dollars of shrunken quarters they'd still be accepted? >.>.
[9:12] <midnightyell> that's a cool trick
[9:13] <midnightyell> are quarters even ferromagnetic?
[9:14] <PiRocketman> http://intellectualventureslab.com/?p=71
[9:14] <PiRocketman> Eddy currents
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[9:15] <PiRocketman> With the strong enough magnetic field, you can do wacky stuff to even non magnetic materials
[9:16] <PiRocketman> My favorite is levitating frogs: http://www.physics.org/facts/frog-really.asp
[9:16] <PiRocketman> Physics, like magic only, you know, REAL!
[9:16] <midnightyell> Tesla was nuts, experimenting with those voltages at those currents when all he could do was guess that it wasn't doing permanent damage to him
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[9:19] <GabrialDestruir> Wait... if you can float a frog in a magnetic materials.. does that mean with a strong enough force we could levitate ourselves magneto style?
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[9:20] <advancednewbie> I've always thought about this for flight
[9:20] <advancednewbie> Might need a nuclear reactor though
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[9:21] <PiRocketman> Sure, but it would have to be an awfully huge magnetic field. Not practical, I don't think.
[9:21] <advancednewbie> Like a magnetic floating saucer
[9:21] <PiRocketman> You would have to be basically levitating inside a huge tube wound with wire.
[9:21] <advancednewbie> Yeah
[9:21] <midnightyell> This is why we need electricity so cheap that no one bothers to meter it
[9:22] <PiRocketman> Not exactly not exactly magneto....
[9:22] <GabrialDestruir> Mass solar power reform >.>
[9:22] <UnderControl> Is there any benefit of waiting for the revision 2 board to come out?
[9:22] <DarkTherapy> morning all
[9:22] <midnightyell> Solar's way to inefficient
[9:22] <PiRocketman> Be far easier to cover you in something that held a charge really well and use charge repulsion to levitate you
[9:23] <midnightyell> reset buton on rev 2; better power delivery over USB
[9:23] <PiRocketman> UnderControl, imo yes
[9:23] <midnightyell> ...mounting holes
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[9:23] <GabrialDestruir> We need a giant power cord to the moon, then we'll just setup special panels to collect sun and solar radiation and turn it into energy >.>
[9:24] <advancednewbie> I wonder if the amount of magnetic force on your body would be exceeding the limit for the amount of force the magnetic field has with the air
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[9:24] <advancednewbie> In order to lift you
[9:24] <PiRocketman> Tesla was rumored to have put his head inside a very large DC magnet which had enough power that it would melt an iron bar.
[9:24] <advancednewbie> With the coils moving with you
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[9:25] <advancednewbie> The reason the frog lifts up is because the coils are staying in one spot
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[9:27] <GabrialDestruir> The way that article makes it sound, there is no coils around a frog, it's all manipulation of the magnetic force and the fact the frogs are like 2/3s water
[9:28] <PiRocketman> How do you think you produce a 7 Tesla magnetic force? :)
[9:29] <PiRocketman> Certainly not with any sort of permanent or rare earth magnet
[9:29] <advancednewbie> B = =Uo n I
[9:29] <advancednewbie> n is number of loops
[9:29] <advancednewbie> I current
[9:29] <advancednewbie> Uo = 4 pi * 10^-7
[9:29] <advancednewbie> B in units Tesla
[9:30] <PiRocketman> Oh, anyways wrt Tesla. Apparently the only noticeable effect was that his saliva turned salty.
[9:30] <PiRocketman> He did say when he was old that he was nuts to have done some of the things he did in his youth.
[9:31] <advancednewbie> His energy transmission tower was the craziest idea
[9:31] <advancednewbie> Too bad it got shut down
[9:31] <PiRocketman> I hear that they raised money on Kickstarter of all places to establish a museum where his Wardenclyffe lab used to be located.
[9:31] <PiRocketman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe
[9:31] <advancednewbie> What if we could have developed that with some sort of encryption or something
[9:33] <DarkTherapy> i I wanted to knock up a quick website, whats my best option? I mean, hosting and web "templates"?
[9:33] <DarkTherapy> if*
[9:33] <GabrialDestruir> There's actually a group or company or whatever, that's working on wireless energy
[9:34] <midnightyell> it was called Solyrinda
[9:34] <PiRocketman> Inductive charging for mobile devices would be nice...
[9:34] <midnightyell> Solindra?
[9:34] <PiRocketman> Been practical for years, but only company that ever really integrated it into their phones was Palm.
[9:34] <midnightyell> inductive charging was the rumor for the iPhone5 that I hoped was true
[9:34] <GabrialDestruir> Isn't inductive charging basically Qi energy?
[9:35] <PiRocketman> Instead you have to use all sorts of stupid proprietary sleds / cases
[9:35] <advancednewbie> It's like a transformer
[9:35] <advancednewbie> Two coils
[9:35] <advancednewbie> Current is induced in the other coil
[9:35] <PiRocketman> inductive power is the basis for all sorts of things, like those tap credit cards, door badges, etc.
[9:36] <PiRocketman> RFID
[9:36] <GabrialDestruir> The group/company I was thinking about is working more specifically on like wireless energy for laptops
[9:36] <advancednewbie> I've spoofed RFID :)
[9:36] <advancednewbie> Just need to send the right pattern
[9:37] <PiRocketman> I think it makes a lot more sense for small devices with low power needs than for higher power devices like laptops.
[9:37] <PiRocketman> Of course that will change as laptops become more efficient.
[9:38] <PiRocketman> I love the idea of a device receiving enough power to operate simply by being in a room, but I think the transmission efficiencies on existing proof of concept systems aren't that great
[9:38] <advancednewbie> Maybe we could have short range power transmission
[9:38] <GabrialDestruir> uBeam
[9:38] <PiRocketman> Like using a couple hundred watts to power a 13 watt lightbulb
[9:39] <GabrialDestruir> Just recently landed a 750k dollar deal to try and make wireless electricity for laptops a thing.
[9:39] <advancednewbie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaoSp4NpkGg
[9:39] <PiRocketman> I think the more reasonable goal is to build short range, highly efficient charging mats.
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[9:40] <GabrialDestruir> Something roomwide I think yea.
[9:40] <GabrialDestruir> Plug it into a while and voila your entire room gets electricity
[9:41] <GabrialDestruir> Would be really nice.
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[9:41] <Valen> heh, couldn't find a card reader
[9:41] <PiRocketman> The stuff I find really nutty is trying to power drones using masers
[9:42] <Valen> so i fired up my old eee701
[9:42] <GabrialDestruir> Combine it with things like audio electricity.
[9:42] <Valen> it only has a 4gb internal disk
[9:42] <Valen> so sshfs to the rescue ;->
[9:42] <Valen> at least i plugged the nic in rather than doing it over wireless
[9:43] <GabrialDestruir> You could have a device that could be charged multiple ways... so you could always have power.
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[9:44] <GabrialDestruir> Honestly, if they could somehow make Wireless energy cover entire cities though.... it could change the world forever.
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[9:45] <Valen> the problem with that is always its at least a square law for the power drop and generally more like a cube
[9:45] <PiRocketman> inverse square laws are a biotch....
[9:45] <Valen> that and even I'd be concerned about that much EMI and i'm fearless ;-P
[9:46] <Valen> maser is a different kettle of fish because it can be so directional
[9:46] <Valen> also other than the odd bird you don't need to worry about making glowing babies
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[9:47] <GabrialDestruir> We surround ourselves with so much EMI as it is....
[9:47] <Valen> living next to a transmitter its kilowatts not gigawats
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[9:48] <Valen> if your a few hundred meters away its in the watts range
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[9:49] <Valen> Personally I reckon all long distance transmission lines should be made DC if only to stop radiating gigawatts of radio noise for the space aliens to pick up
[9:49] <[SLB]> lol
[9:49] <Valen> nice long wave highly penetrating totally unnatural radio transmitters all over the planet
[9:49] <GabrialDestruir> Space aliens wouldn't be interested in us even if they did hear it.
[9:50] <Valen> perhaps
[9:50] <sirclockalot> can anyone help me with this http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=18482
[9:50] <Valen> ever kick an ant hill as you walked past?
[9:50] <PiRocketman> I am not a fan of the new Turbo mode
[9:50] <GabrialDestruir> Unless you know... they pick up a transmission of like rush lingbaugh... and decide to execute us just for his beliefs .-.
[9:51] <Valen> well I got a green flashing light when i powered it up
[9:51] <GabrialDestruir> Though of course that implies they can actually understand us.
[9:51] <Valen> or romney
[9:51] <PiRocketman> The governor is too slow to boost frequency in response to load and too quick to bump it back down
[9:51] <Valen> my god the man wants wind down windows on aeroplanes
[9:51] <PiRocketman> I've gotten very erratic behavior from keyboard as well while using turbo
[9:51] <Valen> his stupidity is echoing all the way to australia
[9:51] <PiRocketman> I just ignore turbo and set a stick overclock
[9:52] <GabrialDestruir> If Romney wins the presidency somehow... I'd be surprised if there weren't a few attempts made on his life.
[9:52] <chithead> sirclockalot: you failed to mention actual frequencies and governors
[9:52] <PiRocketman> Romney also apparently believe a couple Utah scientists invented Cold Fusion in 1989....
[9:52] <sirclockalot> oh i set it up like this
[9:52] <sirclockalot> arm_freq=1000
[9:52] <sirclockalot> core_freq=500
[9:52] <sirclockalot> sdram_freq=500
[9:52] <sirclockalot> over_voltage=6
[9:52] <sirclockalot> ondemand
[9:53] <Valen> see that one is less dumb than opening the window at 40kft
[9:53] <GabrialDestruir> Heh....
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[9:53] <Valen> the actual claims made wrt cold fusion were a lot less spectacular than what was reported in the media
[9:53] <GabrialDestruir> Actually... openable windows wouldn't be completely impossible.... if ya know...
[9:54] <GabrialDestruir> we had a way to create a forcefield type thing
[9:54] <Valen> well the pilots windows (some of them) can be opened
[9:54] <GabrialDestruir> to prevent compression and such.
[9:54] <Valen> once you equalise pressure
[9:54] <Valen> ooh ooh
[9:54] <DarkTherapy> everyone would need their own air supply
[9:55] <GabrialDestruir> er decompression
[9:55] <PiRocketman> My grandfather who flew commercial jetliners once had to open his cockpit side window on approach and use an improvised tool to scrape ice off the front window
[9:55] <PiRocketman> It took most of the skin off the back of his hand
[9:55] <Valen> at the altitude a commercial jet flies at even on 100% O2 usable consciousness is measured in tens of seconds
[9:55] <Valen> ILS landing ftw?
[9:56] <drivelights> frostbite?
[9:56] <PiRocketman> sirclockalot, I would recommend setting force_turbo=1 in config.txt in /boot
[9:56] <sirclockalot> why?
[9:56] <chithead> on approach your altitude is normally not so high
[9:56] <PiRocketman> This was likely late 1960's. He flew until 1979.
[9:56] <sirclockalot> i know it works
[9:56] <Valen> late 60's i guess
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[9:56] <chithead> that they didn't have any gloves on board is interesting though
[9:56] <sirclockalot> i check the cpu clock speed and when running nbench it is 1Ghz
[9:56] <PiRocketman> The 747 he often flew is the one whose front section is in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum in D.C.
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[9:56] <PiRocketman> Ship 001 for Northwest
[9:57] <Valen> though decent airports would have had ILS by then but perhaps not quite to the deck
[9:57] <Valen> chithead: cockpit is sposed to be a shirt sleeve environment no need for gloves
[9:58] <PiRocketman> Point is, windows in passenger planes are a VERY bad idea in general.
[9:58] <Valen> I dont want people at 40kft with the window open
[9:58] <Valen> first person to drop a "log" out the window looses
[10:03] <GabrialDestruir> Heh... I just see a new way for people to commit suicide.
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[10:03] <GabrialDestruir> Somehow getting outside a window
[10:03] <GabrialDestruir> and falling to their death
[10:04] <DarkTherapy> GabrialDestruir: they'd be dead shortly after opening the window
[10:04] <PiRocketman> No, they are committing murder/suicide, not just suicide
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[10:09] <PiRocketman> Apparently there are as many as 30 or so decompression events a year according to some anonymous aviation whistleblower websites
[10:09] <Valen> nah you would hit the ground before you died
[10:10] <Valen> you would be unconsious in 10 seconds or so
[10:10] <PiRocketman> and there are documented cases where decompression led the pilots of commercial jetliners to crash planes when they failed to realize that decompression had occurred in time.
[10:10] <DarkTherapy> PiRocketman: out of how many commercial flights a year?
[10:10] <Valen> on an unrelated note, my pi just booted for the first time ;->
[10:10] <PiRocketman> Sounds like there are 30ish decompressions per year in US
[10:11] <Valen> i bet those "decompression events" are all generally slow leaks causing a rapidish descent and landing
[10:11] <PiRocketman> Not a lot given number of flights, granted.
[10:11] <Valen> ie a "big whoop" event
[10:11] <DarkTherapy> and the decompression events are probably limited to the luggage hold
[10:12] <Valen> there is only one pressure hull in an aircraft
[10:12] <PiRocketman> 105 oxygen mask deployments in last 10 years
[10:12] <Valen> well in all the sensible ones
[10:12] <PiRocketman> Interesting info here: http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/story/2011-11-24/All-flight-decompression-events-not-reported/51384954/1
[10:12] <Valen> they deploy the masks half the time something goes bang
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> most commercial planes don't have unpressurised cargo holds.
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> they may be unheated though.
[10:13] <PiRocketman> point is again, open-able windows on commercial jetliners are a bad idea and Mitt Romney is a moron if he doesn't grok this....
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> it's a 100% bonkers idea.
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> He's obviously completely clueless.
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> mind you, so was Regan...
[10:14] <Valen> I'm in australia and this crap makes it to here
[10:14] <PiRocketman> I heard some woman is suing an airline because she thinks overheating in the cargo hold killed it.
[10:14] <Valen> i mean is that the kind of president you guys want?
[10:15] <Valen> one so dumb the rest of the world is already laughing at him before he has even gotten in
[10:15] <PiRocketman> God, I hope not. I came very close to becoming an expat during the Bush era.
[10:15] <gordonDrogon> a sudden decompression will still take about 2 minutes before you pass out - plenty of time to secure a mask, etc.
[10:15] <PiRocketman> Man couldn't string a 5 word sentence together.
[10:16] <Valen> nah, the usable consciousness is much shorter than that
[10:16] <PiRocketman> Whatever else you say about Obama, he is thoughtful and articulate.
[10:16] <PiRocketman> Under 30 seconds at most, I believe
[10:16] <Valen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_of_useful_consciousness
[10:16] <Valen> 45kft 15-20 seconds
[10:17] <Valen> at 45kft (max altitude for a 747) its going to be closer to 10 seconds
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[10:17] <gordonDrogon> no comercial planes go that high anymore.
[10:17] <PiRocketman> I think 35-37k feet is a more common ceiling
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> I've been to 18,000' unpressurised before.. then jumped out.
[10:18] <Valen> you get 20-30 minutes at that altitude anyway ;-P
[10:19] <ln-> i've been at 40000 feet on a commercial flight not more than two years ago
[10:19] <PiRocketman> A good deal of people have trouble at even 10,000 feet
[10:19] <Valen> personally looking at what low O2 does to the brain i think I'd take supplemental O2 at about that level
[10:19] <PiRocketman> Some people can't fly through denver because they get sick just being on the ground.
[10:19] <Valen> wow, ok they really should go for a jog or something, its what ~1000M?
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[10:22] <PiRocketman> Valen, has nothing to do with their overall fitness
[10:22] <PiRocketman> Some marathon runners get sick being above 10,000 feet.
[10:22] <Valen> i'd wager though that there is a correlation between fitness and altitude sickness
[10:23] <PiRocketman> My brother climbed Uhuru this summer. He does Marathons and half-Iron Man triathlons and he was touchy
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[10:23] <PiRocketman> His friend who has done similar events had to go on Oxygen several times while on the climb.
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[10:24] <Valen> if your working out (climbing) then its a different kettle of fish to moseying around an airport
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[10:27] <Valen> its 1600M that's starting to get noticeable i spose
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[10:28] <PiRocketman> Anyways, off to bed. Night all
[10:29] <Valen> cathcya
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[10:38] <buZz> w00pw00pw00p
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[10:45] <discopig> lol
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[11:06] <GabrialDestruir> Interesting thought a few hours late.... but if the window opened on a plane, it could of stopped the fire.
[11:06] <GabrialDestruir> Rapid decompression would of suppressed the flame.
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[11:09] <mjr> could have
[11:09] <mjr> would have
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[11:09] <Valen> only a perhaps on that one GabrialDestruir
[11:09] <Valen> plenty easy for a fire to burn at altitude
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[11:10] <Valen> and electrical fires usually have an outside source of ignition (ie the short keeps getting driven, rather than acutaly "burning"
[11:10] <GabrialDestruir> Ah true.
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[11:12] <GabrialDestruir> o.o I just had an awesome idea for a Raspberry Pi and one of those USB missle launcher things, and the camera attachment
[11:13] <GabrialDestruir> A self tracking missle launching Pi >.>
[11:13] <GabrialDestruir> well not self tracking, but automated tracking
[11:13] <Valen> been done, just not with a pi
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[11:16] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, I figured as much.
[11:18] <Vibe> would be cooler if it shoots staples :p
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[11:18] <GabrialDestruir> >.>
[11:18] <Vibe> defense system :p
[11:18] <Vibe> for thiefs
[11:19] <GabrialDestruir> I'll just wire up a mount and firing mechanism for like a dozen Spyder 3 Lasers >.>
[11:19] <GabrialDestruir> DEATH RAY
[11:19] <Vibe> hehe
[11:19] <Hoerie> <+Valen> been done, just not with a pi <-- I've seen Pi plus USB missile launcher done
[11:19] <Vibe> yea burning laser :p
[11:19] <Valen> well there ya go
[11:19] <Vibe> maybe targeting eys :p
[11:19] <GabrialDestruir> The Pi missle launcher as on the main page of the .org
[11:20] <GabrialDestruir> Which is what gave me the idea to automate them with a Pi camera
[11:20] <Vibe> RPi robot would be cool :p
[11:20] <GabrialDestruir> RPi robot with deathray capabilities?
[11:21] <Vibe> why not :p
[11:21] <Hoerie> RC car mounted Pi + USB Rocket launcher + camera
[11:21] <GabrialDestruir> Facial Recognition and the ability to burn through a persons skull in 0.5 seconds?
[11:21] <Vibe> but I meant independent robot, that can avoid obstacles
[11:21] <Hoerie> able to map and patrol your garden against invading squirrels
[11:22] <Vibe> hehe
[11:22] <GabrialDestruir> I wish I had money... just so I could buy a dozen Spyder 3 and see the damage they could do if focused into a super beam
[11:23] <Vibe> solar powered robot
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[11:23] <GabrialDestruir> I think robots exist that have Pi brains.
[11:23] <Vibe> that has own battery, if no sun and low bat it goes to charging spot
[11:23] <Vibe> would be cool
[11:24] <GabrialDestruir> It wouldn't be hard to make I think, the hard part would be the solar power.
[11:24] <[SLB]> http://blog.ianrenton.com/raspberry-pi-day-1-accessories-assemble/
[11:25] <Vibe> it charges battery, panels should also to get best into best position according to sun
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[11:25] <GabrialDestruir> Right, but to power both the robot itself and the Pi it'd need to pull quite a charge.
[11:25] <Vibe> maybe modifying electric tooth brush to get wireless charging
[11:26] <Valen> lol
[11:26] <Vibe> solar panel wings :D
[11:26] <Valen> perhaps add a 0 or two the power transfer Vibe
[11:26] <GabrialDestruir> I like that tank idea....
[11:27] <GabrialDestruir> replace the weaponry with function weaponry though
[11:27] <Vibe> but I think RPi would be quite useless, just use arduino and some controllers etc
[11:27] <Vibe> or what would RPi give to it?
[11:27] <Valen> take a look at the cubiboard i think its called
[11:27] <GabrialDestruir> More functionality.
[11:28] <Valen> for embedded stuff
[11:28] <Vibe> maybe ease networking etc and more prosessing power etc
[11:28] <GabrialDestruir> Better memory storage and computing than the arduino could give.
[11:28] <[SLB]> autonomous vehicle via machine learning or ai algorithms
[11:28] <Valen> cubieboard
[11:28] <Valen> http://cubieboard.org/ thats the one
[11:28] <Vibe> true
[11:28] <Vibe> yea
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[11:29] <Vibe> what about that Valen ?
[11:29] <Valen> 1Gb ram, newer CPU and a buttload of I/O including ADCs
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[11:29] <mongrol> evenin
[11:29] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if you could split the spi(I think) or w/e for the camera
[11:29] <GabrialDestruir> and use double cameras
[11:29] <Valen> shouldn't be too hard to hook it up to some motor controllers without the need for a MCU
[11:29] <Vibe> yea but more expensive Valen :p
[11:29] <GabrialDestruir> Or 3/4 etc
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[11:30] <Valen> also has lvds etc outputs so you can connect small screens for less than $300
[11:30] <Valen> unless anybody knows a source for 5" hdmi lcds?
[11:30] <Vibe> Valen: ok, but how about sensors like IR?
[11:30] <Valen> what about it?
[11:30] <GabrialDestruir> GPIO
[11:31] <GabrialDestruir> er
[11:31] <Vibe> ok, so arduino would be useless
[11:31] <Vibe> just that board needed
[11:31] <Valen> you dont have enough herbs for video processing on one of those
[11:31] <GabrialDestruir> You could use it for a "low power" mode if you wanted.
[11:31] <GabrialDestruir> or a low function mode.
[11:31] <Valen> if your using a pi, then using one could be usefull to interface to motor controllers over usb
[11:31] <Hoerie> plug a wifi dongle into the pi and use a desktop to do video segmentation
[11:36] <GabrialDestruir> Yea...
[11:37] <GabrialDestruir> You could use a Arduino plugged into a PI, and then you could dynamically program the arduino with the pi
[11:37] <Valen> or not ;-P
[11:37] <Valen> just make it a smart io expander and leave the complex stuff in the high speed cpu
[11:37] <GabrialDestruir> Means you could reprogram while it's "in the field"
[11:39] <GabrialDestruir> Yea that'd work.
[11:39] <GabrialDestruir> Let the arduino do all the stupid and the Pi any complex stuff.
[11:40] <GabrialDestruir> Like facial recognition before your pi robot blast the brains out of your target >.>
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[11:43] <Lexip> I wouldn't want someone/something stupid making such important decisions! :P
[11:43] <GabrialDestruir> I just want to see a Pi controlled Spyder 3 Laser Death Ray xD
[11:44] <GabrialDestruir> just like destroy everything
[11:45] <discopig> arduinos are nice
[11:45] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe on a gattling gun mount. Then it could spin around and burn huge circles into things.
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[11:48] <Hoerie> mount a cattle-prod and have your pi run around the cubicles prodding employees
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[12:03] <chithead> sirclockalot: I have done some testing at 700mhz http://sprunge.us/faSb and it shows strong indication of what is going on. obviously, you build with -O2 while they use -O3, and sort speed appears memory limited.
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[12:05] <chithead> more things can be inferred from comparing these with your and the foundation's results, but I'll leave that (and their verification) to you
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[12:10] <bede> i am not getting anything on my monitor when connection via hdmi -> display port
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[12:19] <xranby> bede: check that the monitor is switched on and is configured to view the DVI input before starting up the pi.
[12:19] <trevorman> bede: hm? what adapter you using?
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[12:20] <xranby> bede: i am using dhmi -> DVI displayport myself, the pi switches to composite video out if the monitor is not detected on bootup
[12:21] <trevorman> xranby: "DVI displayport" eh?
[12:21] <bede> let me try that
[12:22] <xranby> hmm.. ok i am condsed then.. i have hdmi -> dvi
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[12:22] <trevorman> bede: what adapter you using? if it wasn't expensive + requires power then its the wrong type
[12:22] <chithead> most displayport->hdmi adapters are unidirectional only, and won't work in reverse
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[12:23] <bede> trevorman: just a cable, let me look for the packaging
[12:23] <trevorman> bede: wrong type of adapter then
[12:23] <chithead> but then again, displayport monitors usually have dvi or hdmi connectors too
[12:23] <trevorman> your adapter is for displayport to HDMI
[12:23] <trevorman> proper HDMI to Displayport needs something like http://www.misco.co.uk/Product/192070/StarTech-HDMI-DVI-to-DisplayPort-Active-Converter
[12:25] <nNa> Hello! I just got my first Raspberry Pi, which I intend to use as a HTPC, but I'm not sure which distro to use. I tried Raspbmc, XBian and OpenELEC. Raspbmc is extremly slow (menus), XBian is fast, but everytime I press ESC to get to the menu, the screen becomes black for a second and on OpenELEC I haven't found any issues, but some say that the features are very limited. I mainly need a simple HTPC with WiFi, torrent and SAMBA su
[12:26] <nNa> Can you give me any recommendations? I'm really not sure why Raspbmc is so slow, since I have a Class 10 SD card.
[12:26] <chithead> class 10 doesn't mean it's fast. there are class 10 cards that don't even reach 10 mb/s on the rpi
[12:27] <nNa> This one is listed on the wiki as supported.
[12:27] <chithead> the default overclock varies between distributions
[12:27] <nNa> Verbatim 16GB
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[12:27] <chithead> supported means it works, but not that it is fast. http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#SD_cards
[12:27] <xranby> nNa: if you find OpenELEC working for you then use it and praise it :)
[12:27] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance#SD_card
[12:28] <xranby> nNa: Raspbmc got more background tasks running by beeing a full featured debian with the xmbc on top
[12:28] <nNa> xranby: oh, ok. i wasn't sure about that.
[12:29] <nNa> does openelec have any update system? or do it have to reinstall it completely everytime?
[12:29] <xranby> nNa: i do not know, all i know is that you can download plugins inside the openelce system while it is running
[12:30] <xranby> nNa:
[12:30] <xranby> http://openelec.tv/installation/updating
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[12:30] <trevorman> you can just copy the 4 update files via samba to openelec
[12:30] <trevorman> it'll apply the update when you next restart
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[12:31] <xranby> If "automatic updates" is enabled, OpenELEC will check online for an update. If it finds one the update will be downloaded and unpacked. You will then be notified that a reboot is required to apply the update.
[12:31] <xranby> nNa: try enable the automatic updates mode in the xbmc system settings
[12:31] <sirclockalot> chithead: should i restart from scratch and use -O3 ?
[12:31] <trevorman> doubt automatic update works for RPi at the moment since it is still in beta/testing
[12:31] <bede> ohkay, so i can not debug why the usb to serial adapter crashes the pi
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[12:33] <xranby> bede: in what way do it crash? can you run dmesg ?
[12:33] <bede> xranby: no, i need to power cycle
[12:33] <bede> i am guessing an oops
[12:34] <bede> wait, let me attach a keyboard and see if i get the blinkenlights
[12:34] <xranby> bede: do you have a self powered usb hub in between the pi and the serial adater?
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[12:34] <xranby> (to rule out power issues)
[12:34] <bede> xranby: the usb adapter is self powered, it's an 8 port one
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[12:35] <bede> xranby: i cen see it being detected and all, but if i open the serial device, with minicom or ser2net the pi stops responding
[12:35] <NuSuey> hello folks!
[12:35] <NuSuey> is there any skype alternative on raspberry pi? want to put it in my parents house and video chat with em..
[12:35] <NuSuey> not possible?
[12:35] <NuSuey> if not, i guess there is mumble at least
[12:36] <trevorman> NuSuey: no prebuilt skype. you can kludge something together with the skype developer toolkit but you need to pay them for that.
[12:36] <NuSuey> trevorman: i dont need skype. just some alternative
[12:36] <trevorman> ah. mumble or teamspeak then are you best bets
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[12:36] <NuSuey> trevorman: something with video support?
[12:36] <xranby> NuSuey: try https://github.com/skypeopensource/
[12:36] <NuSuey> i mean.. so I could put a webcam on there..
[12:37] <Nik05> damn new firmware update :P
[12:37] <NuSuey> xranby: what is that? o.O
[12:38] <trevorman> if you want video then you're better off looking for something along the lines of google chat. not sure if they support video on ARM though
[12:38] <Nik05> just had a 3 days uptime :(
[12:38] <xranby> one attempt to implement an opensource version of skype
[12:38] <trevorman> xranby: its nowhere near complete
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[12:40] <NuSuey> well aren't there any skype alternatives on linux which would work on the raspberry?
[12:40] <mjr> on an arm linux, one of the free video chat programs such as ekiga or similar would probably be the only choice. Don't know if the pi is up to any decent video though at least without using the hw codecs, which would require work.
[12:40] <Nik05> guys what is the best way to update firmware?
[12:40] <Nik05> im using rpi-update now
[12:41] <Nik05> but can i also do this with apt-get?
[12:41] <trevorman> Nik05: rpi-update or manual. apt-get won't do it.
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> IO boards for the Pi....
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> Other than Gertboard, what else is there right now?
[12:42] <gordonDrogon> I know of PiFace and the dxtronixs stuff, but other then protoboards is there anything else?
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[12:43] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: http://elinux.org/RPi_Expansion_Boards
[12:43] <trevorman> most of them aren't actually commercial products though
[12:43] <trevorman> more along the lines of "if you want to make one here are the schematics"
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> ah. hadn't seen that page.
[12:45] <Nik05> ah ok and trevorman how do you do it manually?
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[12:45] <trevorman> Nik05: download the files from the github repo and copy them over yourself
[12:45] <Nik05> ah ok
[12:45] <InControl> there is a little i2c io expander board http://www.frank-buss.de/io-expander/
[12:46] <InControl> a few similar to that around
[12:46] <discopig> i wish i had bought an usb wifi dongle already
[12:46] <trevorman> the http://www.fulburncams.gb.net/ is a bit expensive. 22.50 for a bare PCB?
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[12:47] <InControl> looks a lot like a gertboard clone that one
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[12:48] <discopig> what's the best usb wifi dongle that people recommend for raspberrypi?
[12:48] <trevorman> looks similar at first glance but it is definitely their own design
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> yes and stupidly expensive at that.
[12:48] <discopig> i have a rev2 board so i guess power consumption isnt as much of an issue
[12:48] <discopig> and my ac adapter is 1.2A
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> intersting, thanks.
[12:48] <trevorman> 22 quid for a bare PCB is way too expensive
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> they're onviously not volume producing. even if they got 100 made up it would cost them about ?3 per PCB max.
[12:49] <InControl> I think some people think that RPi is an opportunity to get rich quick
[12:50] <InControl> some guy was selling ??40 cases
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. so-far it's been an opportunity to lose money quick )-:
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[12:50] <InControl> I think a lot of people have discoverd that gordon
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> still, it's been fun and you can't put a price on that.
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> or maybe it's just an expensive hobby - but I'm used to that...
[12:51] <trevorman> expensive hobby imo
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> try scuba diving - jump into the water with a stupid number of 1000's of pounds worth of kit on your back...
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[12:51] <InControl> all the people making cases thinking they will sell thousands but end up selling 50
[12:51] <discopig> lol
[12:52] <discopig> i like how the bare board looks
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> even skydiving when I did it was expensive.
[12:52] <InControl> because there are 1000 other people making cases
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> and I don't even want to think about my piloting days )-:
[12:52] <discopig> a case just ruins it
[12:52] <trevorman> I think the modmypi person has sold loads but they were one of the first to do a case that wasn't just lasercut
[12:52] <bede> i need a rackmountable 19" casing that houses a couple of those little creatures
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> yea, although they too a while to get the injection moulding going.
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> bede, a couple? You could probably get 2 dozen into a 1U case!
[12:53] <InControl> I think a lot of people will give up
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[12:53] <InControl> then you will end up with a few people who are prepared to see it through
[12:53] <bede> gordonDrogon: then nothing would stop my pacemaker pi cluster MUAHAHAHAHA!
[12:53] <trevorman> pacemaker pi cluster?
[12:54] <bede> yes, because we can :)
[12:54] <InControl> Ah thats it 'the slow invasion' that is the RPi end game
[12:54] <trevorman> i'm more curious about the pacemaker part
[12:54] <bede> exactly
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[12:54] <bede> trevorman: well i plan to try it, but i first need to see if vlan works with the pi
[12:54] <trevorman> eh?
[12:55] <trevorman> pacemaker to me is either the person that sets the pace in a race or the thing that gets implanted in somebody to help with their heart
[12:55] <trevorman> hope you're not making a rackmounted rpi powered cardiac pacemaker *cough*
[12:55] <[SLB]> lol
[12:56] <bede> trevorman: clusterlabs.org
[12:56] <trevorman> it ahh
[12:56] <trevorman> -it
[12:57] <Valen> bede: I could make said rack if you were serious about it
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[12:57] <zleap> hello
[12:58] <Valen> I was thinking of CnCing up a pi case in billet Al ;->
[12:58] <Valen> heatsink ftw ;->
[12:58] <trevorman> the RPi should be fine to with 802.1q. you'll have a reduced MTU though if you use that though.
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[13:03] <Valen> I think server equipment lacks a certain amount of class these days, I reckon bedes rack should come with a nice milled brass face plate, you know for that little something extra
[13:03] <Valen> polished of course
[13:04] <bede> Valen: right now it is just an idea i am kicking around, but I'll remember that you'll be able to do it
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> Valen, waste of al.
[13:05] <Valen> Thats why i was making it out of *brass*
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[13:06] <Valen> We do CnC milling/prototyping as a "day job"
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[13:08] <sirclockalot> i can't find something on google because i'm not sure what to search for, i remember being able to run a command using ssh that would not die if i disconnected
[13:08] <Valen> screen
[13:08] <sirclockalot> what would that be called or what is the command itself?
[13:08] <Valen> screen
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[13:09] <trevorman> nohup or screen
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[13:09] <sirclockalot> so if i need to run emerge -e world i would simply type "screen emerge -e world" ?
[13:10] <sirclockalot> and then screen -r to return to it later?
[13:10] <gordonDrogon> Valen, prototyping - great, but for production - you'd be throwing away > 50% of the billet material... )-:
[13:10] <Valen> start screen
[13:10] <Valen> so just screen
[13:10] <sirclockalot> perfetto
[13:10] <sirclockalot> thanks
[13:10] <Valen> that starts a screen session
[13:11] <Valen> then do whatever inside it
[13:11] <Valen> gordonDrogon: you need to weigh that up against the cost of doing anything else
[13:11] <Valen> aluminium is cheap ;->
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[13:11] <gordonDrogon> Valen, Delrin is a bit cheaper :)
[13:11] <Valen> if you say so
[13:12] <Valen> doesn't polish up nearly so well and the EMI shielding is crap ;-P
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[13:16] <gordonDrogon> true!
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[13:17] <trevorman> hm. do you actually need to do much EMI shielding for the RPi anyway? it can't be too horrendous as it has been CE tested and marked.
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> Valen, yes - I guess the issue for very low volume is cost of toolling - once you have the program to take a solid billet into a box (to presumably use as the start of the mould for an injection thing), you might as well then just churn out another few dozen of them ...
[13:17] <trevorman> a box?
[13:18] <Valen> trevorman: people seem to be indicating its prone to getting upset recieving EMI
[13:18] <trevorman> how complicated of a faceplate we talking about here
[13:18] <Valen> http://www.vapourforge.com/jake/temp/20120921_131050.jpg for the kind of face plate I'd like to put on the 19" rackmount stuff
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[13:18] <trevorman> Valen: ah. didn't think of the other way around.
[13:19] <Valen> the plain case would be a pretty simple clamshell arrangement
[13:19] <Valen> just out of 25mm 6061 Al ;->
[13:20] <trevorman> I wonder how many of those EMI reports are actually faults of the RPi and not user error
[13:20] <Valen> it sounds like its prone to upset from long usb lines
[13:20] <Valen> i reckon forming ground loops
[13:21] <Valen> and just taking a quick look at it there doesn't appear to be much in the way of bypassing caps where the usb ports enter the board
[13:22] <trevorman> a lot of phone chargers have floating grounds
[13:22] <Valen> yeah, but this is people having upsets when they plug some things with long cables in
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[13:22] <Valen> i spose its not actually a loop as theres no connection at the other end of the cables
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[13:23] <nid0> i'd love to know what exactly it is people do to piss up their pi's so much, my pis pretty much utterly seem to refuse to go wrong for me, with like 10 different power supplies, almost as many sd cards, and countless old and new wifi dongles
[13:24] <Valen> mine was playing silly buggers with the keyboard
[13:24] <Valen> like not reading the key presses then repeating them endlessly
[13:24] <Valen> but I was powering it from an eee701 ;->
[13:24] <Valen> and its a microsoft illuminated gaming keyboard
[13:24] <Valen> so i figured that could be the cause
[13:25] <nid0> probably draws way over the 140mA the pi's ports can supply
[13:25] <trevorman> Valen: USB is/was buggy
[13:25] <nid0> my logitech illuminated keyboard is rated for 300, standard unlit ones tend to be comfortably less though
[13:26] <trevorman> the NIC driver would disable interrupts for ages because it was trying to maximise throughput
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[13:26] <trevorman> so your USB packet to say that pressed or released a key would get dropped on the floor
[13:26] <Valen> i didn't have the network plugged in at the time
[13:27] <Valen> i should have turned the light off now that i think of it
[13:27] <Valen> is the missus keyboard though so i shouldn't have been playing in the first place lol
[13:27] <trevorman> not sure then. the USB controller + driver aren't particularly good though.
[13:27] <nid0> the backlight will be drawing too much power :P
[13:27] <trevorman> it has improved massively since the rpi was first released however. a lot of bugs have been fixed in the driver.
[13:28] <trevorman> nid0: you get the same behaviour from keyboards that only draw 100ma
[13:28] <trevorman> it doesn't happen to everybody though
[13:28] <Valen> I'll use my wifi keyboard/mouse combo it should solve most of the problems
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[13:29] <nid0> mm, well yea *i* dont, i've got a few basic keyboards that all work fine with my pis
[13:29] <nid0> my logitech and old saitek illuminated ones dont, but theyre both rated for much higher than 100ma
[13:30] <Opinie> Hi, I'm a newbie here, but would someone mind helping me with a small elementary problem I've struggling with?
[13:30] <Valen> no its against the rules to help newbies, we must mock and deride you instead
[13:31] <trevorman> I've got an Apple keyboard that does have issues. A cheap there isn't even a brand on it and a Sony one are both fine *shrug*
[13:31] <Valen> perhaps somebody was overthinking it with the fuses ;->
[13:31] <trevorman> they've been taken out
[13:31] <trevorman> there was an ECN to remove them later on during the r1 manufacturing and r2 doesn't have them at all
[13:32] <Valen> how do i know which one i have?
[13:32] <trevorman> you got any mounting holes?
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[13:32] <Valen> doesnt look it
[13:32] <trevorman> or an extra unpopulated header right up against the expansion connector?
[13:33] <Valen> dont think i have that
[13:33] <trevorman> you can query it via software but it is easier to just look for the mounting holes
[13:33] <Valen> i presume i wouldn't miss them if they were there
[13:33] <Valen> speaking of, how the heck am i sposed to hang on to this damn thing
[13:33] <trevorman> if you've got two green polyfuses on the underside of the RPi by the USB sockets then you don't have the ECN
[13:33] <trevorman> hang on?
[13:33] <Valen> with no mounting fuse
[13:34] <Valen> bah
[13:34] <Valen> with no mounting holes
[13:34] <trevorman> sticky pads or make/buy a case that fits closely
[13:34] <Opinie> does anyone know, what I may have missed: I've added my user to the sound group, but still can't get any sound out of the display to which I've attached my Pi via hdmi. Sound does work when I try it by sudoing ./hello_audio.bin at /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_audio
[13:34] <trevorman> idk why they didn't put the mounting holes in right at the start
[13:34] <Opinie> *?
[13:36] <Opinie> sorry, I mean the audio group
[13:36] <[SLB]> Opinie, audio over analog or hdmi?
[13:37] <trevorman> Opinie: I believe you need to use a different audio device for HDMI output. you're probably sending it out the analog socket.
[13:37] <trevorman> I don't know what device you actually need however. I only ever use audio for video and omxplayer handles all that for me
[13:37] <Opinie> [SLB]: I believe via analog, as trevorman seems to believe
[13:37] <[SLB]> sudo amixer cset numid=3 2
[13:37] <[SLB]> sorry just read you have connected it over hdmi?
[13:38] <[SLB]> try that command above
[13:38] <Opinie> trevorman: actually, omxplayer works just fine. No other application just seems to be able to use sound
[13:38] <Opinie> [SLB]: yeah it's connected via hdmi
[13:38] <trevorman> yeah. omxplayer knows about the analog and hdmi ports
[13:38] <Opinie> [SLB]: ok
[13:38] <[SLB]> and maybe check alsamixer whether it's muted
[13:39] <Opinie> [SLB]: to be honest, I've connected it both via hdmi and analog
[13:39] <Opinie> omxplayer works does work via hdmi
[13:39] <[SLB]> probably because it takes care of it automatically
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[13:43] <bede> The Digi RealPort driver is supported only on the Intel x86 platform. *damm*
[13:44] <Valen> bede: check PM for contact info
[13:45] <Opinie> [SLB]: actually, I don't think it did take care of it automatically. I think I had to specify that omxplayer ought to use hdmi: sudo omxplayer -o hdmi
[13:45] <[SLB]> ah ok
[13:45] <[SLB]> any result with sudo amixer cset numid=3 2 ?
[13:45] <bede> Valen: wrt digi?
[13:46] <Opinie> [SLB]: sorry, just now wrote it down, didn't get any sound out with it, but I that wasn't intended to happen, right?
[13:46] <Opinie> *-I
[13:46] <Weaselweb> Opinie: did you relogin after you added yourself to sound group (sure it's not audio group)?
[13:47] <[SLB]> right, it sets the audio channel to hdmi
[13:47] <Valen> bede: wrt funky crack mounted pis
[13:47] <[SLB]> try to play an audio file
[13:47] <[SLB]> if still doesn't work, try the following
[13:47] <Valen> hhs rack mounted
[13:47] <Valen> ffs
[13:47] <Opinie> Weaselweb: yeah, I've relogged in. I belong to the following groups: sudo audio plugdev
[13:48] <[SLB]> add this to /boot/config.txt and reboot: hdmi_drive=2
[13:48] <Opinie> [SLB]: I don' think it worked, I tried this and didn't get any sound out: sudo aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[13:48] <Weaselweb> Opinie: check the access rights on files in /dev/snd
[13:49] <Opinie> Weaselweb: how do I do that?
[13:49] <Weaselweb> ls -l /dev/snd
[13:50] <[SLB]> i had to add that line to config.txt to make it work
[13:50] <[SLB]> i have a samsung tv
[13:50] <[SLB]> also did you check alsamixer?
[13:51] <Opinie> [SLB]: no haven't checked alsamixer yet
[13:51] <Opinie> Weaselweb: I'll write down what I got with that command in just a sex
[13:51] <Opinie> *c
[13:51] <Weaselweb> please use a nopaste service
[13:52] <RaTTuS|BIG> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
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[13:53] <Opinie> Weaselweb: how can I use a paste, when I can't even go beyond startx, when fiddling round with these things? At least that's what all the documentations I've read have said
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[13:53] <Opinie> [SLB]: hdmi_drive=2 already
[13:54] <[SLB]> not sure then, i'd say check whether the volume is muted in alsamixer :\
[13:54] <Opinie> [SLB]: how do I do that?
[13:54] <[SLB]> run alsamixer
[13:54] <[SLB]> if not installed sudo apt-get install alsamixer
[13:55] <[SLB]> and another thing, does aplay -l say something like this?
[13:55] <[SLB]> card 0: ALSA [bcm2835 ALSA], device 0: bcm2835 ALSA [bcm2835 ALSA]
[13:55] <Opinie> umm, I can get sound out if I sudo, as I described before. Doesn't' that have to mean that alsamixer is installed?
[13:55] <[SLB]> ah no, i'd say it's about audio groups then
[13:56] <[SLB]> let me check my groups
[13:56] <Opinie> [SLB]: yeah, it says exactly what you thought it would
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[13:56] <[SLB]> okies
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[13:59] <bede> ok, i need to setup a cross compiler. that's no fun building something on the device
[13:59] <[SLB]> hm i'm in audio, video, plugdev, users, netdev, input, sudo groups
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[13:59] <Opinie> Weaselweb:
[13:59] <Opinie> total 0
[13:59] <Opinie> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 TIME by-path
[13:59] <Opinie> crw-rw---T+ root audio 116, 0 TIME controlC0
[13:59] <Opinie> crw-rw---T+ root audio 116, 16 TIME pcmC0D0p
[13:59] <Opinie> crw-rw---T+ root audio 116, 1 TIME seq
[13:59] <Opinie> crw-rw---T+ root audio 116, 33 TIME timer
[14:00] <Opinie> [SLB]: maybe it's the input one?
[14:00] <[SLB]> hm, those my files belong to the root group not audio
[14:01] <[SLB]> maybe, not sure
[14:01] <[SLB]> you added a new user beyond the original pi one?
[14:01] <Opinie> are you still using the pi account, or have you created a separate one?
[14:01] <Opinie> yeah, that's precisely what I did
[14:01] <[SLB]> basically i renamed the pi one
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[14:01] <[SLB]> so i inherited all of its attributes
[14:01] <Opinie> ??? I should have just gone with that
[14:02] <[SLB]> grep pi /etc/groups
[14:02] <[SLB]> see what's going on there
[14:02] <Valen> what is the command to get back into the first run setup thing again? i need to adjust overscan i believe
[14:02] <[SLB]> raspi-config
[14:02] <[SLB]> ^valen
[14:02] <Valen> thanks
[14:02] <[SLB]> yw
[14:03] <zleap> [SLB], is that a bug we can report, surely that program should tell users if you want to get back here type raspi-config
[14:04] <Opinie> [SLB]: so maybe, just by adding my user account to all the groups the original pi account belongs to sound might start working?
[14:04] <[SLB]> not sure zleap, maybe a suggestion ticket somewhere on github?
[14:04] <[SLB]> yes Opinie, try that
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[14:06] <Opinie> [SLB]: isn't using the pi account kind of like using the pi on a root account?
[14:07] <[SLB]> if you change the password and regenerate the ssh keys you're safe, not really root because you'd need sudo anyways
[14:07] <Opinie> ok
[14:08] <[SLB]> i just didn't like the pi username and was easier to ssh from my desktop machine and the pi with the same user name
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[14:08] <Opinie> [SLB]: do you use any firewall programs on your pi?
[14:08] <[SLB]> no
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[14:09] <[SLB]> didn't bother with that, was trying iptables but had no time for configuration so i just use the router nat rules
[14:10] <bede> /tmp/dgrp-1.9/driver/build/dgrp_mon_ops.c:512: error: implicit declaration of function \u2018copy_to_user\u2019
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. There's a bother. Eagle needs libpng14 ... Debian Squeeze has v12 as has Wheezy. Bother.
[14:11] <[SLB]> :\
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[14:14] <Valen> your going to run eagle on this?
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[14:14] <Valen> if you want firewall stuff check out ufw
[14:14] <Valen> if its available its pretty simple to use
[14:15] <Opinie> Valen: ok, thanks
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[14:17] <Opinie> Valen: lol, well, to be fair, I, apparently, can't get any sound out of the pi account either with: sudo aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[14:18] <Opinie> the only place, where I can get any sound out, is /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/hello_audio and there by using ./hello_audio.bin
[14:19] <Opinie> no, actually this: ./hello_audio.bin 1
[14:19] <Opinie> sorry
[14:20] <[SLB]> 1 is the analog channel, 2 is hdmi
[14:20] <[SLB]> i think
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[14:21] <Opinie> I tried this sudo aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav with all of the options available for sudo amixer cset numid=3 <n>
[14:21] <Opinie> not a beep
[14:21] <[SLB]> :[
[14:21] <[SLB]> i wonder if your hdmi cable is fine, or maybe try hdmi_boost option?
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[14:22] <ln-> Opinie: have you used alsamixer to adjust the volume which is muted by default?
[14:22] <Opinie> ln-: oh yeah, the volume, no, I haven't touched it
[14:22] <Opinie> rofl
[14:22] <[SLB]> ahem
[14:22] <[SLB]> lol
[14:22] <Opinie> my, my
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[14:23] <bede> okay, that should cost you like a case of beer.
[14:23] <Opinie> I have to adjust it at /usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-mixer/paths/analog-output.conf.common
[14:24] <Opinie> do you guys accept paypal?
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[14:24] <Opinie> ??? and gals
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[14:25] <Opinie> I have to adjust the volume here: /usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-mixer/paths/analog-output.conf.common ?
[14:25] <[SLB]> i think from alsamixer once you set it, it stays there
[14:26] <Opinie> to be honest with you, I haven't the faintest as to how to do that
[14:26] <[SLB]> M key to unmute from alsamixer, then just arrow keys to go up/down
[14:26] <[SLB]> does alsamixer work?
[14:26] <Opinie> oh, you just write alsamixer
[14:26] <Opinie> k
[14:26] <[SLB]> yes
[14:27] <Opinie> 60 enough, do you reckon?
[14:27] <[SLB]> i had mine at 100 and used tv remote
[14:28] <[SLB]> also your tv volume is up? :p
[14:28] <Opinie> yeah, it is
[14:28] <Opinie> did manage that fortunately
[14:28] <[SLB]> eheh
[14:29] <Weaselweb> Opinie: did you see the "root audio" output? means owner root and group audio. so you need to be in the audio group (not sound)
[14:29] <Opinie> should I have saved the setting somehow?
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[14:29] <Opinie> Weaselweb: sorry, where should I have seen that?
[14:30] <Weaselweb> [14:02:25] <Opinie> crw-rw---T+ root audio 116, 0 TIME controlC0
[14:31] <Opinie> Weaselweb: so there should have been a line, where instead of, for example, controlC0, would have read "root audio"?
[14:32] <[SLB]> nop crw-rw---T+ root audio 116, 0 TIME controlC0
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[14:33] <Opinie> yes, still get that same line with ls -l /dev/snd
[14:33] <Opinie> with the same rights as before
[14:33] <Opinie> and changing the volume settings in alsamixer didn't help, unfortunately
[14:33] <Weaselweb> areyou in the audio group now?
[14:33] <Opinie> yes I am
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[14:34] <Opinie> a member of the audio group
[14:34] <InControl> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19347120
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[14:38] <Opinie> when I write sudo mixer cset numid=3 2, it says access=rw------
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[14:39] <[SLB]> the command is amixer, not mixer
[14:39] <Opinie> I mean amider
[14:39] <[SLB]> hm
[14:39] <Opinie> *amixer
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[14:39] <[SLB]> weird everything seems to be fine
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[14:44] <Opinie> Well, I guess I can manage without sound anyway..
[14:45] <Opinie> but thanks for helping!
[14:46] <[SLB]> yw :) it's weird btw, maybe it's some cable issue
[14:47] <Opinie> perhaps, but audio does work in omxplayer
[14:47] <[SLB]> ah right
[14:47] <des2> Makers of the world unite
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[14:53] <hugorodrigues> hey guys!
[14:53] <hugorodrigues> would this work with rpi? http://www.ebay.com/itm/EU-Standard-Micro-USB-Wall-Charger-for-Blackberry-8520-/180712093895?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item2a1347b8c7
[14:54] <hugorodrigues> "EU Standard Micro USB Wall Charger for Blackberry 8520"
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[14:55] <des2> I wouldn't buy that one.
[14:56] <chithead> it is nowhere mentioned that this device can supply at least 700mA
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[15:01] <hugorodrigues> chitbrain: it should have at least 700mA?
[15:01] <hugorodrigues> des2 chitbrain : thanks for your reply
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[15:06] <des2> hugorodrigues it appears that the Pi id very sensitive to power supply voltage. It really needs a quality power supply that can supply at least 4.9 volts and should supply at least 700mA.
[15:07] <buZz> problem is, a lot of '5v supplies' dont even supply 5v
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[15:10] <chithead> usb spec requires 5V??0.25V but the rpi does not like the lower end of that spectrum
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[15:15] <blazon> yay my pi is being delivered today!
[15:15] <blazon> what should i go buy for my first project
[15:15] * blazon puts on his evil face
[15:16] <sam> pop corn
[15:17] <sam> just buy some pop corn and watch a movie on Raspbmc like 9 people out of 10 do :-)
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[15:18] <gordonDrogon> blazon, I assume you have sd card, usb hub, psu, cables, etc. ....
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[15:19] <blazon> sam, i have been running htpcs since like 2002 so uninteresting to me
[15:19] <blazon> and what is that a default linux install with xbmc....
[15:19] <blazon> booo
[15:19] <blazon> gordon, im have all my perriferials
[15:20] <blazon> so i need to have a usb hub?
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[15:20] <blazon> and sam, thanks for the suggestion :)
[15:21] <blazon> maybe i will watch a 1080 just for fun
[15:21] <blazon> ;)
[15:21] <buZz> buy a helium bottle
[15:21] <buZz> and a weather balloon
[15:21] <buZz> run raspi from batteries
[15:21] <buZz> tie it all together
[15:21] <buZz> and let it log :)
[15:21] <blazon> hahah
[15:22] <buZz> there are so many thing the raspi is better at then running xbluhmc
[15:22] <blazon> i was thinking about a remote contol airplane, and a gsm dongle, and see if i can make my own civilian air drone
[15:22] <blazon> :)
[15:22] <buZz> cool :D
[15:23] <buZz> i would use a quadcopter ;)
[15:23] <buZz> easier to hover for good pictures
[15:23] <blazon> i was going to do a sky sailor, they have enough payload weight to hold 2 go cams, so i fgure a pi and a usb dongle will work
[15:23] <hamitron> less damaging when it crashes too
[15:23] <hamitron> errr, if I mean
[15:23] <blazon> and the RC is only like 180
[15:23] <hamitron> ;)
[15:24] <buZz> ARdrone is also around that price
[15:24] <buZz> http://www.amazon.com/Parrot-AR-Drone-Quadricopter-Controlled-Android/dp/B007HZLLOK
[15:24] <buZz> 300 usd is about 200 euro right?
[15:24] <hamitron> more
[15:24] <buZz> ok, 233.172703
[15:24] <buZz> not much more
[15:25] <hamitron> hey, you could buy a r-pi for that!
[15:25] <hamitron> ;)
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[15:25] <buZz> hrhr
[15:26] <buZz> i payed 42 euros at RS
[15:26] <hamitron> ;/
[15:26] <hamitron> :/
[15:26] <hamitron> my shift keys are failing
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[15:27] <blazon> i over paid for my pi
[15:27] <blazon> cause im super impatient
[15:27] <blazon> 54$USD
[15:27] <blazon> =/
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[15:29] <blazon> That ARdrone is nice
[15:29] <blazon> but its still controlled by a low level radio
[15:29] <blazon> i want to try and plot course "on the fly" and record from GSM, possibly add some GPS
[15:30] <blazon> on a long distance flight
[15:30] <blazon> 2+ mi
[15:31] <hamitron> geez
[15:32] <hamitron> will need something that moves fairly quick then
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[15:33] <bede> sweet, the digibox daemon and kernel module builds on the pi. i now have a tiny console server.
[15:35] <[SLB]> why did i read digibox doraemon :S
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[15:37] <Matt> I'm trying to put digibox into some sort of context
[15:38] <Matt> given it's clearly not a set-top-box
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[15:38] <Matt> unless we're talking about Digi, the folk who make multi-port serial stuffs, amongst other things
[15:38] <Matt> which would make sense, come to think of it
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[15:45] <bede> Matt: exactly
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[16:13] <gordonDrogon> blazon, you want a Pi controlling a quad copter?
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[16:16] <blazon> i think it may be my first break out project
[16:16] <blazon> not a copter
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[16:17] <blazon> i was thinking a sky sailor, they are light weight and have high fly times if i am battery conservant, and use the prop for altitude gain only
[16:17] <blazon> then "sail" on desent
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[16:21] <bede> blazon: there is the paparazi project
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[16:21] <blazon> its already been done
[16:22] <blazon> but i want to do it @home with cheap equipment
[16:22] <blazon> lol paparazi
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[16:40] <bede> hm, insert headphones into usb port -> reset
[16:40] <trevorman> -.-
[16:40] <bede> after the wlan dongle -> reset i am getting the feeling i have an usb port problem
[16:40] <trevorman> r1 or r2 rpi?
[16:40] <bede> how do i find out?
[16:40] <trevorman> hm. guess it'd be a bit high for r2 still
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[16:41] <trevorman> use a USB hub if you're trying to power a WiFi dongle
[16:41] <bede> trevorman: that works like a charm if i put it in before booting
[16:41] <trevorman> I think pretty much all of them want 500mA and that is way too much for the RPi to supply even with the fuse removed like in r2
[16:41] <trevorman> bede: I expect there is a voltage dip when you plug it in
[16:43] <bede> k, the headphones also work when i boot with them plugged in
[16:43] <foongkev> bede: your headphones can connect via usb? not the audio jack? Also agree with trevorman
[16:43] <bede> foongkev: jup, usb.
[16:43] <bede> foongkev: they also have a mic
[16:43] <trevorman> what are the power requirements for your headphones
[16:44] <bede> checking ...
[16:44] <foongkev> or better yet what model headphones is it?
[16:45] <foongkev> i
[16:45] <foongkev> i'm old school i stick to the old 3.5mm jacks
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[16:46] <trevorman> same
[16:46] <Hoerie> 1/4" is old-school
[16:47] <trevorman> lol I was about to say
[16:47] <Hoerie> or DIN
[16:47] <Weaselweb> hrhr
[16:47] <foongkev> lol
[16:47] <Hoerie> 3.5mm is hipster-school
[16:49] <trevorman> hipster would be balanced XLR
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[16:51] <w0m> hipsters wouldn't balance; that's too expensive/good. They'd use Beats
[16:52] <bede> it's a logitech casque
[16:52] <bede> that one: http://static.pcinpact.com/images/bd/news/46174-logitech-casque.jpg
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[16:53] <bede> the only numer i can find on it is a-00009
[16:53] <Vostok> shit
[16:53] <bede> [ 3.274173] usb 1-1.2: New USB device found, idVendor=046d, idProduct=0a0c
[16:53] <trevorman> lol w0m
[16:54] <Vostok> having a hard time getting a video grabber to work in pi
[16:54] <Vostok> ERROR: could not insert 'easycap': Exec format error
[16:54] <trevorman> you trying to load the x86 module for it or something?
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[16:56] <bede> Vostok: does it need firmware? have you by any chance replaced the request-firmware binary with a x86 one?
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[16:57] <foongkev> bede: any info on the box or anything?
[16:57] <Vostok> i got a friend of mine help me out
[16:58] <Vostok> he tried to compile the modules
[16:58] <bede> foongkev: i don't have that anymore
[16:58] <foongkev> my guess is no. logitech wouldn't bother to disclose power reqs
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[16:59] <Hoerie> it looks like a logitech H390
[16:59] <bede> ha, that is the page on logitech: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/support/internet-headsets-phones/stereo-headset-h390
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[17:02] <foongkev> a lot of keyboard + mice combos don't work with pi because of the same thing. insufficient stable power
[17:02] <foongkev> im pretty sure the headphones won
[17:03] <foongkev> *needs more power
[17:03] <bede> well but they to work when i connect them before boot
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[17:05] <foongkev> yeh that happens to me to if i have my g15 kb and gen mice plugged in beforehand
[17:06] <foongkev> it works (albeit laggy). if i connect one of em later it goes wonky
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[17:06] <foongkev> its the drop in power/voltage
[17:07] <bede> hm, i think i still have an 2amp thingy
[17:07] <bede> yes, 5V 2.1A
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[17:08] <foongkev> ? what was it used for prev?
[17:08] <bede> no idea, it has an usb port though :)
[17:08] <bede> and only that
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[17:10] <foongkev> wow lucky. post results
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[17:11] <bede> it boots, but resets when i plug in the headset
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[17:12] <bede> looks like a voltage thing
[17:12] <buZz> bede: tried a powered usb hub?
[17:12] <bede> nope non handy atm
[17:12] <buZz> well, get one :)
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[17:12] <bede> sir yes sir
[17:12] <bede> gotta run
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[17:56] <datagutt> You guys can expect RaspberryPiBot to run on a rpi in a few days
[17:56] <datagutt> i got the shipping notification today
[17:56] <datagutt> better late than never
[17:56] <[SLB]> \o/
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[17:57] <[SLB]> irc eggdrop?
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[17:57] <datagutt> nope
[17:57] <datagutt> pircbot
[17:57] <datagutt> i am thinking of switching to my own custom written nodejs bot though
[17:58] <[SLB]> ah ehe
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[18:11] <akSeya> hi there :)
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[18:12] <akSeya> folks, i'm wishing to turn my raspi into a wifi-router .. i'm doing this with USB Wifi adaptor and hostapd . Well.. i'm wondering if this is compatible with raspi and if I'll have a better performance instead of using USB http://dx.com/p/rf4432se-si4432-433mhz-wireless-rf-transceiver-module-155701
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[18:12] <akSeya> i'm searching allover dealextreme for things I can add in the raspi :P
[18:14] <akSeya> my raspi is now, DLNA Server, wifi router/bridge, deluged server, virtual disk
[18:14] <[diecast]> do you work for dealextreme
[18:14] <[diecast]> because you posted a link yesterday too
[18:15] <akSeya> i don't, i'm just a big consumer from there XD
[18:15] <akSeya> i'm still waiting for their response about the TFT screen
[18:16] <[diecast]> that screen looked pretty awesome, could do some fun stuff
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[18:19] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/waterproof-usb-2-0-cmos-300kp-4-led-illuminated-snake-camera-endoscope-110228?item=4
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[18:19] <[SLB]> just found the charger of my old compaq ipaq it's 5v/2a \o/
[18:20] <akSeya> "now you can do an endoscopy on your little cat, dog and why not, even on your little brother"
[18:20] <akSeya> o.O
[18:20] <[SLB]> lol
[18:20] <SpeedEvil> it is probably too large in diameter for housecats.
[18:21] <SpeedEvil> more seriously. a camera of some sort might be handy
[18:22] <[diecast]> actually that would be great in my snake burrow
[18:23] <[diecast]> akSeya: does that site only have a certain quantity then it is sold out forever?
[18:23] <SpeedEvil> no
[18:23] <SpeedEvil> they usually restock if they can
[18:23] <bmosley> my pi is acting as my irc bouncer atm, now i need to buy one for dev here at work :|
[18:24] <[diecast]> ok
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[18:24] <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/iphone-ipad-ipod-touch-control-rechargeable-fluorescent-r-c-robot-beetle-toy-black-grey-144319?item=22
[18:24] <akSeya> SpeedEvil, wanna peek at your hot neighbor huh!?
[18:24] <bmosley> does anyone know a good cheap usb webcam that is compatible with the pi?
[18:24] <SpeedEvil> I could see that this would freak some people out
[18:25] <[SLB]> logitech c270 hd
[18:25] <bmosley> want to monitor my front door for UPS theives
[18:25] <bmosley> cheap?
[18:25] <[SLB]> 23 eu on amazon
[18:25] <[SLB]> for what you get i'd say cheap
[18:25] <chithead> bmosley: http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Webcams
[18:25] <bmosley> chithead: thanks!
[18:26] <[diecast]> cool. i have a few of those microsoft HD-6000 and VX models
[18:26] <[diecast]> christmas presents some still in boxes
[18:26] <[SLB]> i bought one for my friend and tested the stream, it's perfect eheh
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[18:26] <[diecast]> bmosley: wow, your neighborhood is that sketchy?
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[18:28] <bmosley> not really bad but i have 1 neighbor i suspect
[18:28] <bmosley> otherwise i live in a decent area
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[18:31] <[diecast]> i guess we all have that one neighbor
[18:32] <[diecast]> i do too
[18:32] <[SLB]> yes..
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[18:34] <[SLB]> ah djazz, the other day then i made nodejs work, it was a matter of paths eheh
[18:34] <[SLB]> thanks :D
[18:34] <djazz> :)
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[18:44] <Natch> anyone tried the mini heatsinks available at the pi hut? do they make any difference?
[18:44] <akSeya> folks.. http://www.elecfreaks.com/store/32width-400240-tft-lcm-tft0132w-widescreen-p-116.html
[18:45] <akSeya> this one has a datasheet.. ideas?
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[18:46] <hamitron> Natch, there is a good chance they will make a difference, but is it a difference you need?
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[18:48] <Natch> hamitron: perhaps when overclocking? they said something about the cpu being able to handle 80C without loss of life but why risk it if you can mitigate it with a ??3 item
[18:49] <hamitron> if you are looking to overclock, or operate under weird conditions, then worth considering
[18:49] <hamitron> :)
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[18:50] <hamitron> must admit, I can't see the logic for all the hype of overclocking a cheap slow device. it is what it is, and there are alternatives if someone wants a higher spec
[18:51] <edh> hamitron: Next, you'll ask them not to heat their room with a pi! :)
[18:51] <Natch> hamitron: well, some people like to tinker :)
[18:52] <hamitron> edh, hehe
[18:52] <hamitron> my Pentium 4 machine is a far better heater ;)
[18:52] <edh> hamitron: I have one of those, that's so true!
[18:53] <edh> Hmm... i think my next playground might be jogl. Decisions, decisions.
[18:53] <hamitron> Natch, oh ofc, but you don't get many people pimping things like 125cc motorbikes.... you get a bigger bike
[18:53] <IT_Sean> hamitron: Overclocking is fun
[18:53] <IT_Sean> It's pushing the limits
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[18:54] <[SLB]> jogl, so people really use it :D
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[18:54] <edh> IT_Sean, hamitron, do people overclock clocks? They probably are.
[18:54] <Natch> hamitron: after pushing the little one to the brink of death or breaking it, sure :)
[18:54] <edh> [SLB]: they might, havent yet. just see it pop up on my pi news feed
[18:54] <[SLB]> oh eheh
[18:54] <Jen> IT_Sean!
[18:55] <edh> [SLB]: i will try it tho.
[18:55] <IT_Sean> ...
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[18:55] <hamitron> Natch, a few maybe, but most just get something better ;)
[18:55] <[SLB]> it's nice, i deal with it at university, sometimes
[18:55] <[SLB]> basic stuff though
[18:55] <[SLB]> not yet on the pi eheh
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[18:57] <edh> [SLB]: played some with 3D graphics at artistic level, but now I cant bear leaving the GPU bored and idle.
[18:58] <edh> Google has surprisingly few hits on "Overclocking a clock". Maybe there is hope for humanity.
[18:58] <[SLB]> true eheh, i use blender myself but this is another story
[18:58] <[SLB]> lol :)
[18:59] <edh> [SLB]: yeah, but you can already think in terms of 3d scenes, coming from blender or similar
[18:59] <[diecast]> humanity yes, humankind though..
[18:59] <edh> [diecast]: hehe
[18:59] <[SLB]> yes true :)
[18:59] <edh> [diecast]: I'm yet to meet a kindhuman. ;)
[19:00] <[diecast]> we have our moments
[19:00] <edh> [diecast]: I concede that.
[19:00] <[SLB]> i had tried java3d in the past, same way just on the surface for some cg courses at univ, different approaches but yea
[19:00] * IT_Sean electrocutes edh.
[19:00] <IT_Sean> Don't be such a negativist
[19:01] * edh last thought is: "Not many of those moments, though."
[19:01] <edh> IT_Sean: is it being negativist when I think there isnt such a word?
[19:01] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[19:01] <IT_Sean> So stop it.
[19:02] * edh changes polarity.
[19:02] <IT_Sean> That's just the sort of thing a negativist would say.
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[19:03] <[diecast]> im always reminded of a song lyric "can't change the world until I change me."
[19:03] <edh> [SLB]: I get the updates in my stream from nice people working on jogl with pi, like s.o. doing the SIGGRAPH 12 demo. Looks intersting to me.
[19:03] <IT_Sean> That sounds like the sort of song a neg.... Bang, nevermind.
[19:03] <[SLB]> ah nice edh :D
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[19:36] <Davespice> FYI folks; https://dl.dropbox.com/u/14125489/RaspberryPi/MAPLIN.JPG <- makes a good Christmas present =)
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[19:38] <MrBIOS-> Davespice, resize much?
[19:38] <MrBIOS-> that is a really shitty imaging device :)
[19:38] <MrBIOS-> blurry as hell at full rez
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[19:39] <[SLB]> hm that wasn't the purpose of the link
[19:39] <Davespice> hah yeah it's from an iPhone 4s
[19:40] <Davespice> and it was taken in quite dim light conditions, which the iPhone camera is a bit rubbish at dealing with
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[19:40] <Davespice> blame apple :)
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[19:53] <gordonDrogon> are maplin selling it yet?
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[19:53] <hamitron> I believe so, got an email today
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> it's naysayer, not negativist...
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[19:54] <hamitron> bit expensive though
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> I'm not on Maplins list... (phew!)
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> isn't everything Maplin does expensive?
[19:54] <hamitron> mostly, yeh
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> however, if it's properly plug in & go, then some people might be willing to pay a bit more.
[19:55] <Nirizr> um, novice question: whats the revision 2 raspberry pi?
[19:56] <[SLB]> bmosley, i just finished to write a post about webcam streaming, maybe you're interested http://www.slblabs.com/2012/09/26/rpi-webcam-stream/
[19:56] <hamitron> a new revised version
[19:56] <Dagger2> the stuff that Maplin send out in their mailing list is usually discounted
[19:56] <Dagger2> which means it's a nice list of the only stuff they sell at that point in time that's not grossly overpriced
[19:56] <hamitron> yeh :)
[19:57] <hamitron> you do actually get some cool offers sometimes
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[19:57] <bmosley> [SLB]: thanks!
[19:57] <[SLB]> yw hope it's helpful :)
[19:59] <[diecast]> [SLB]: more than one hit is really choking your site it seems =P
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[20:00] <[SLB]> oh my, lol it's that slow?
[20:00] <[diecast]> i think ill go for lunch while it loads
[20:00] <japro> hmm, if i want to use a powered usb hub can i also use that to power the pi itself?
[20:00] <[diecast]> there is the title
[20:00] <[SLB]> hm
[20:00] <hotwings> i just read someone describe a raspberry pi as a smartphone tablet without the touchscreen
[20:00] <hotwings> lol
[20:01] <axion> japro: sure, or a tv's usb port
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[20:01] <[SLB]> my hosting provider probably is having some fun, poor db bandwidth maybe
[20:02] <[diecast]> i would blame my routes but i just tried from two other shell accounts
[20:02] <[SLB]> yes i don't get what's happening, hm
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[20:05] <[SLB]> hm for me and a friend it's behaving, not sure
[20:06] <Davespice> the Maplin kit costs ??70, so the peripherals are marked up a tad, but I think the kit makes quite a good Christmas present (especially for someone who wouldn't have all the peripherals already)
[20:06] <atouk> just loaded here
[20:06] <[SLB]> since then?
[20:06] <[SLB]> ?_?
[20:06] <atouk> no, just tried again
[20:06] <[SLB]> ah okies
[20:07] <[SLB]> thanks
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[20:11] <gordonDrogon> Nirizr, it's a revision 1 + 1
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[20:26] <zleap> hello
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[20:30] <[diecast]> [SLB]: its up now thanks... reading =)
[20:31] <[SLB]> yw :)
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[20:34] <[diecast]> hmm, think im going to get one of those weather proof scope cameras, put that in my snake's burrow. then put one of my microsoft hd cameras at the top of the cage and use motion to detect when he drinks water.
[20:35] <[SLB]> that'd be nice eheh
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[20:36] <[diecast]> would this work - run motion for a period of time (maybe 10 seconds) with one config that checks for motion in one area of the screen, then alternate to another script that checks somewhere else
[20:36] <scummos^> does anyone here know about SPI (the interface)?
[20:36] <scummos^> I got some chip here and I'm a bit unsure how to contorl it
[20:37] <[diecast]> using the same camera i mean
[20:37] <[SLB]> hm i tried motion detection on the whole area so far, but i guess yes you can do that
[20:38] <[SLB]> i don't scummos^ :\
[20:38] <scummos^> :(
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[20:50] <[SLB]> brb have to mount a dvd drive ._.
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[20:50] <steve_rox> anything fun going on in the pi world?
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[20:58] <steve_rox> ppl made manhacks with the pi yet?
[20:58] <zleap> what is a manhack
[20:59] <steve_rox> only ppl that have played halflife2 know
[20:59] <zleap> ok
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[21:02] <Caleb> steve_rox: tell the people who havent played what that is
[21:03] <axion> an anti-personnel flying weapon and recon vehicle with spinning saw blades
[21:04] <axion> with AI
[21:04] <steve_rox> glad someone knows
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[21:04] <axion> anyone with google can too as i can
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[21:05] <steve_rox> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090804101545/half-life/en/images/1/1f/Manhacks_Citadel.jpg
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> I want to make one of those for he rimming.
[21:05] <SpeedEvil> hedgetrimming
[21:06] <steve_rox> excellent idea
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[21:07] <nNa> Did anyone manage to configure LG Simplink remote with CEC? I can't seem to manage to remap the Back button.
[21:08] <axion> right...add prop resistance to battery powered flight that only last a few minutes at best
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[21:09] <steve_rox> oh well
[21:09] <steve_rox> wondering what to do with my pi now
[21:10] <axion> sell it to someone with an idea
[21:10] <steve_rox> nah
[21:11] <steve_rox> i do kinda have some uses for it
[21:11] <steve_rox> nothing big tho
[21:11] <kim-jong> lol axion
[21:11] <wiiguy> <steve_rox> nothing big tho > dissamble it > and assemble it again ?
[21:12] <steve_rox> not much to take apart on it
[21:12] <steve_rox> if anything
[21:12] <wiiguy> break it in 5 pieces and try to fox it ?
[21:12] <axion> build a umpc enclosure to house it along with a hub and wifi, etc peripherals and to be battery powered
[21:12] <wiiguy> fix*
[21:12] <axion> lol
[21:13] <steve_rox> thats not dismantleing
[21:13] <wiiguy> no but im sure it will be harder to fix it again :p
[21:13] <steve_rox> i still havent got wifi going on it yet
[21:14] <axion> an ad-hoc wireless network would be cool
[21:14] <axion> to control it anywhere
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[21:15] <steve_rox> wonder if it could be made to be a wifi router
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[21:15] <axion> sure could
[21:15] <steve_rox> would need the software tho
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[21:22] <scummos^> still nobody here who knows about SPI? :)
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[21:42] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, I know about spi..
[21:42] <[SLB]> whats the proper name of the 4 poles psu connector?
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], what 4 poles PSU connector?
[21:43] <[SLB]> the power connector that goes say to cd drives
[21:43] <steve_rox> molex
[21:43] <steve_rox> ?
[21:43] <[SLB]> i thought that was the brand was it
[21:44] <steve_rox> dont think so
[21:44] <[SLB]> ah okies, that one then, thanks
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> a molex 8981..
[21:44] <steve_rox> :-)
[21:44] <[SLB]> i need to get a bifurcation eheh
[21:44] <[SLB]> thanks :)
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> I think there's a common name for it, but it escapes me... other than disk drive power connector :)
[21:45] <[SLB]> ah oks :)
[21:45] <AC`97> . . .
[21:45] <[SLB]> wut
[21:45] <AC`97> i think most people just call it a molex connector
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> there are 1000's of different molex connectors though.
[21:45] <AC`97> with "most people" being me
[21:46] <hamitron> brb, restarting r-pi
[21:46] <[SLB]> but you're computer illiterate so yea :D
[21:46] <Hodapp> I've only heard it called a Molex connector, even though Molex has tons of connectors
[21:46] <AC`97> ^
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[21:46] <[SLB]> i think that's it too, google images reports it as just molex connector, maybe the most known molex connector that is
[21:47] <[SLB]> disappointed i opened my pc to mount a second dvd drive and hadn't got enough connectors -.-
[21:47] <AC`97> get a Y-cable
[21:47] <AC`97> or sata -> molex adapter, if you have sata power
[21:47] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: oh cool, is there an official lib for accessing it?
[21:47] <[SLB]> yea that's why i asked for its proper name eheh
[21:47] <[SLB]> ah i have both
[21:48] <[SLB]> i got the dvd drive out of an external firewire lacie drive
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[21:48] <AC`97> O.o
[21:48] <[SLB]> it's a toshiba ide inside
[21:49] <[SLB]> pretty old with lightscribe technology :3
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[21:50] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, there is an official kernel driver, and I put together some simple libraries to use
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[21:50] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, my libraries are as "official" as anything you'll find ...
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[21:52] <scummos^> okay, so just read from /dev/spi* and that's it?
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, see https://projects.drogon.net/understanding-spi-on-the-raspberry-pi/ then I realise my embarrasment as I've not written the documentation yet )-:
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, not quite.
[21:53] <gordonDrogon> Get wiringPi and look at the gertboard driver - that'll show you what it's doing.
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[21:55] <[SLB]> 2 eur for a molex y connector is fair enough?
[21:55] <AC`97> too much.
[21:55] <[SLB]> thought so, so difficult hm
[21:58] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: okay, thanks!
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[22:12] <cuppsy> Anyone know if it's possible to run RetroPie over SSH, either by forwarding X or by some other means?
[22:16] <AC`97> possible? probably.
[22:16] <AC`97> but i doubt it'd work well
[22:16] <AC`97> BUT then again... i'm computer illiterate, so ignore me.
[22:17] <zleap> AC`97, i am sure I am on paper i have IBT 2 and CLAIT
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[22:17] <AC`97> zleap: what be that ?
[22:17] <zleap> AC`97, define computer illiterate, (you can turn a computer on, )
[22:17] <zleap> both old computer qualifications
[22:18] <AC`97> O.o
[22:18] <zleap> integrated business technlology 2, and comptuer literacy and information technology (circa 2000)
[22:18] <AC`97> is there one for computer illiteracy??
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[22:18] <atouk> yeah, it's called a receipt from the apple store
[22:18] <AC`97> oh i see...
[22:19] <[SLB]> lol
[22:19] <AC`97> so, someone had a dud crapple laptop. i went "when god gives you a lemon, exchange it at an apple store!"
[22:24] <paulmuk> ?
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[22:24] <paulmuk> oops
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[22:27] <zleap> AC`97, why do you see your self as computer illiterate
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[22:27] <zleap> ?
[22:27] <[diecast]> for obvious reasons.. he can't even make a question mark right side up!
[22:27] <AC`97> ??
[22:27] <[SLB]> lol
[22:27] <[diecast]> see
[22:28] <AC`97> not my fault
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[22:31] <gordonDrogon> ????
[22:31] <zleap> how do you get that byw
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> not sure. trying to get an upside down ?
[22:31] <[SLB]> ?
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> it gave me a high dot then a low dot.
[22:31] <zleap> probably an extended character somewhere
[22:31] <zleap> colon
[22:31] <zleap> :
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> can't work out the compose key.
[22:32] <[SLB]> shift+altgr+?
[22:32] <zleap> ?
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> ??
[22:32] <zleap> &&&&&&
[22:32] <zleap> hmm
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> not important.
[22:32] <zleap> {
[22:32] <zleap> yeah
[22:32] <[SLB]> what do you have to the right of 0
[22:32] <zleap> ll
[22:32] <[SLB]> lol yea
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> - is to the right of 0 (zero)
[22:33] <[SLB]> and shift+altgr+- then?
[22:33] <[SLB]> my ? is to the right of 0, dunno if that makes sense
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> ????
[22:33] <[SLB]> \o/
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> woa.
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[22:34] <[diecast]> ???
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> ?!
[22:34] <[SLB]> ?
[22:34] <[diecast]> shift+alt+-
[22:35] <[SLB]> `?`?`?`?
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> ?????????????????????????????????????E?????????????????????????????????J&????????<>????????N??????????????????
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[22:35] <gordonDrogon> well I'll be stacked sideways
[22:35] <[diecast]> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[22:35] <[SLB]> XD
[22:35] <SIFTU> ?????? ??s ??????????ou?? ??????????u?? nds??p?? po??u??
[22:35] <[diecast]> gordonDrogon: jinx! 'er, almost
[22:36] <Hodapp> what did I just walk into...
[22:36] * Hodapp glares at gordonDrogon
[22:36] <scummos^> what's going on here
[22:36] <[SLB]> ahah
[22:36] <[diecast]> ascii art show
[22:36] <scummos^> ._.
[22:36] <[diecast]> did you pay for your admission?
[22:36] <scummos^> hm I do receive data from my SPI chip but I don't understand it
[22:37] <scummos^> maybe the wiring is still wrong, but idc :(
[22:37] <Hoerie> perhaps it speaks in riddles
[22:37] <AC`97> don't understand the receiving, or the data?
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, ok - what's the chip?
[22:37] <AC`97> garbage in, garbage out.
[22:37] <axion> ??
[22:37] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: an ADC, http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/ads8320.pdf
[22:37] <AC`97> ??
[22:38] <zleap> ??
[22:38] <AC`97> mmm, burr-brown...
[22:38] <zleap> character map may help
[22:38] <AC`97> (what's a burr brown? D:)
[22:38] <zleap> ??
[22:38] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, ok - you can probably us the gertboard code as reference, but look at page 10 of the manual.
[22:38] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: yeah, I've been reading that, but somehow it doesn't fit
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, the output will start at the 7th bit.
[22:39] <scummos^> okay, alright
[22:39] <scummos^> where do you read that
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> so you need to clock in/out 3 bytes.
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> I was counting the clock pulses.
[22:39] <scummos^> the data looks like this http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=C5mhYVtR
[22:40] <scummos^> (for +1V input)
[22:40] <scummos^> the right half of zeros never changes
[22:40] <scummos^> which confuses me
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> I think you need to clock in 3 bytes.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> the chip needs 24 pulses to do the conversion.
[22:40] <scummos^> I did 4 bytes, didn't I?
[22:40] <scummos^> oh no, more like 8
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> just needs 3.
[22:41] <scummos^> ok, but would receiving/sending more bytes really break something?
[22:42] <scummos^> after the 8th bit all further data I receive is zero
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> posibly might upset it's internal sequence.
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> although it looks like it shuts down, so you'll clock in garbage after the 3rd byte.
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> I'd tx/rx 3 bytes and dump the recieve buffer - do this several times in a row.
[22:43] <scummos^> the datasheet says "Subsequent clocks will have no effect on the converter"
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> no, but the Pi will still be clocking in data.
[22:44] <scummos^> okay
[22:45] <scummos^> I'll try it as soon as I find how to input an odd number of bytes ;P
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> you set the number to 3..
[22:46] <scummos^> the example script I got here explicitly specifies the data to be sent
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> wiringPiSPIDataRW (SPI_A2D, spiData, 3) ;
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> the chips read only - it's ignoring the data you send it - it only needs the clock to make it work.
[22:46] <scummos^> okay
[22:47] <scummos^> oh, I got another question, I'm unsure how to connect the "CS" port
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> the pi has 2 CS'.
[22:47] <scummos^> I attached it to GPIO7 (P26) now
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> you attach it to cs0 or cs1.
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> sorry ,ce0/ce1
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[22:48] <scummos^> yes, I attached it to CE1.
[22:48] <gordonDrogon> p26 is ce1, so you need to open device 1.
[22:49] <gordonDrogon> if (wiringPiSPISetup (1, SPI_ADC_SPEED) < 0) ...
[22:50] <scummos^> yup, I'm just looking to do that with wiringPi, I got some raw example script here
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> ok
[22:50] <scummos^> (the board looks really funny, the tiny ADC chip is next to three huge capacitors which are like 20 times as high :D)
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[22:54] <scummos^> do you have an API documentation somewhere? :)
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[22:57] <gordonDrogon> not yet - for the SPI code anyway.
[22:57] <gordonDrogon> just use the gertboard.c driver program as an example.
[22:57] <scummos^> okay
[22:57] <scummos^> ok, will do - thanks!
[22:57] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> the ADCs on the Gertboard are similar, but only 10 bit, so only need a 16- bit word clocked into them.
[22:58] <scummos^> so wiringPiSPIDataRW will write the data it reads back into the data pointer passed to it?
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> it's a concurrent read/write action.
[23:00] <SSilver2k2> anyone good with making .debs / understand the process enough to help with an issue ive run into
[23:00] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: thanks
[23:01] <SSilver2k2> im using checkinstall
[23:01] <SSilver2k2> trying to package my raspberry pi emulators
[23:01] <SSilver2k2> im running into an issue with advancemame and advancemess
[23:01] <SSilver2k2> they both include two binaries that are the same (advk)
[23:01] <SSilver2k2> so installing one is fine, but installing the second causes dpkg to freak out
[23:01] <SSilver2k2> i figured it would just overwrite one
[23:01] <AC`97> . . .
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> the function name is technocally wrong as it writes a byte first, then reads one back, but RW is better on the eye than WR ...
[23:01] <AC`97> wr = write :P
[23:02] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: the name is okay, I immediately knew what it did, it was just not so clear to me that it would write the result into the data pointer passed as argument.
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[23:06] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: whey, this looks a lot better now. one more question, the chip does a new ADC sample if the CS pin is toggled. is there an elegant way to do this with wiringPi?
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, every time you call the RW function it should toggle the CS line.
[23:07] <AC`97> indeed.
[23:07] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: hmm, okay? I always get the same value
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> so CS will go low, then the data will be clocked out/in then it will go high.
[23:07] <scummos^> ok
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[23:09] <scummos^> hm, weird. maybe I connected it in a wrong way
[23:10] <AC`97> spikey side up?
[23:11] <scummos^> :D
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[23:11] <scummos^> there's that story about the guy who put heat-transfer paste between processor and socket
[23:11] <AC`97> did it work?
[23:12] <scummos^> just to verify that, CS is either GPIO8 (CE0) or GPIO7 (CE1) for channel 0/1, isn't it?
[23:12] <scummos^> AC`97: well... no :D
[23:12] <AC`97> oh... O.o
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> I've used this with 3 different SPI devices - the ADC and DAC on the Gertboard and the Gpio expenader on the PiFace... I'm fairly sure my code is doing the right thing...
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what the GPIO lines are - it's not important.
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> we don't touch them - the SPI kernel driver does.
[23:13] <AC`97> that's dirty.
[23:13] <[diecast]> scummos^: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AoNKInKXgcW_dEY4X0p1cE14UmZxRGt2WElzbEE4RHc
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> I know it sets them high at boot time as it lights LEDs :)
[23:14] <AC`97> [diecast]: who made that ? o.o
[23:15] <AC`97> it needs descriptions for the DNC pins for unofficial use XD
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[23:17] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: sure, probably I'm doing it wrong :) I'm just wondering which pin the CS output should be sent to
[23:17] <scummos^> I also have LEDs on all pins
[23:17] <scummos^> and neither GPIO8 nor GPIO7 flickers
[23:18] <scummos^> (in fact, none of them flickers)
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[23:19] <Antiklesys> hi all
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[23:19] <[diecast]> AC`97: grabbed it from a youtube howto but dont remember which one
[23:19] <AC`97> . . .
[23:19] <Antiklesys> is anyone using Archlinux? I'm having issues configuring motion to autostart after boot, any clues?
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[23:19] <AC`97> Antiklesys: how are you starting it at the moment?
[23:20] <Antiklesys> manually typing motion -n
[23:20] <AC`97> Antiklesys: did you /etc/rc.conf ?
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, do you have the kernel module loaded?
[23:20] <AC`97> DAEMONS=( ... @motion ... )
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, type gpio load spi
[23:21] <Antiklesys> yes i did nano /etc/rc.conf and found it EMPTY so i added DAEMONS=(motion) and saved
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> (assuming you installed the gpio program)
[23:21] <Antiklesys> is it normal for rc.conf to be empty actually? I was quite surprised about that
[23:21] <AC`97> not supposed to be empty . . .
[23:21] <[diecast]> gordonDrogon: where does the gpio program come from
[23:21] <Antiklesys> and no, i don't have the gpio installed
[23:21] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: yes, I loaded some module a while ago
[23:22] <scummos^> (would it work at all without that?)
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> [diecast], gpio is part of my wiringPi libraries - it's a standalong program to let you control the gpio pins, etc.
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, type lsmod
[23:22] <Antiklesys> why would i need gpio for motion?
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, see if the spi modules are loaded.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> Antiklesys, I've no idea.
[23:23] <AC`97> Antiklesys: hush, you :P
[23:23] <Antiklesys> hahah, anything else than rc.conf to start programs at boot?
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[23:23] <Antiklesys> as that isn't working at all
[23:23] <AC`97> Antiklesys: /etc/rc.local
[23:23] <Antiklesys> mmh
[23:23] <Antiklesys> that's empty too
[23:24] <AC`97> indeed.
[23:24] <Antiklesys> supposed to be like that?
[23:24] <AC`97> yep.
[23:24] <Antiklesys> so DAEMONS = (motion) in rc.local ?
[23:24] <AC`97> actually, no.
[23:24] <AC`97> rc.local is a script that runs at every boot
[23:24] <AC`97> so... motion&
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> scummos^, the other thing to check is the return values from setups, etc. and the permissions of the /dev/spi* devices - gpio load spi will set the right permissions/owners.
[23:24] <Antiklesys> so just motion&
[23:24] <AC`97> yep.
[23:25] <AC`97> rc.local really shouldn't be empty though... O.o
[23:25] <AC`97> it should have a few #comments
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> and I'm off to bed now... laters...
[23:25] <scummos^> gordonDrogon: ok, I'll keep trying. thanks. :)
[23:25] <Antiklesys> don't know what to say, i just nanoed it and it was empty, i'll try to see if it starts now, rebooting
[23:25] <AC`97> perhaps your nano is broken. or is too small (:
[23:26] <Antiklesys> not booting
[23:26] <Antiklesys> i mean
[23:26] <Antiklesys> the raspi is booting but not motion
[23:26] <[diecast]> gordonDrogon: i think the install howto is broken - https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/download-and-install/
[23:26] <zleap> OK
[23:26] <AC`97> Antiklesys: got a screen connected ?
[23:26] <AC`97> or ssh only ??
[23:26] <Antiklesys> ssh
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[23:27] <AC`97> Antiklesys: did you try some "cat /var/log/boot" ??
[23:27] <Antiklesys> no
[23:27] <AC`97> dew eet
[23:27] <Antiklesys> no such file or directory
[23:28] <AC`97> . . .
[23:28] <Antiklesys> don't ask lol
[23:28] <AC`97> so uh.. what DO you have in /etc/ ?
[23:28] <mjr> mostly configuration files
[23:28] <Antiklesys> just did ls /etc/ loads of stuff there, want me to check for something?
[23:28] <AC`97> mjr: i was expecting "mostly missing files"
[23:29] <Antiklesys> rc.d is empty too
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[23:29] <AC`97> that is... not right
[23:29] <AC`97> did you install motion with pacman ?
[23:29] <Antiklesys> same for modules-load.d
[23:29] <Antiklesys> yes
[23:29] <AC`97> did you pull your plug right after ??
[23:29] <Antiklesys> uhu?
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[23:30] <AC`97> Antiklesys: pacman -Ql motion | grep etc
[23:30] <Antiklesys> i did pacman -S motion
[23:30] <Antiklesys> had it install and then configured motion.conf
[23:30] <AC`97> run command :P
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[23:31] <Antiklesys> done
[23:31] <Antiklesys> what now?
[23:31] <AC`97> there should be a "motion /etc/rc.d/motion"
[23:31] <AC`97> did you see it ??
[23:31] <Antiklesys> yes
[23:32] <Antiklesys> ah lol sorry my mistake
[23:32] <AC`97> then i wonder why it's not in /etc/rc.d
[23:32] <Antiklesys> rc.d isn't empty
[23:32] <AC`97> it's full???? XD
[23:32] <Antiklesys> in rc.d there's actually all the daemons
[23:32] <Antiklesys> motion noip lighttpd , etc
[23:32] <Antiklesys> so that's ok
[23:32] <Antiklesys> just rc.conf is empty and rc.local (when i nano them)
[23:32] <AC`97> how about /etc/rc.shutdown ??
[23:33] <Antiklesys> is it a file or a folder?
[23:33] <AC`97> file
[23:33] <AC`97> try to cat it
[23:33] <Antiklesys> empty with nano
[23:33] <Antiklesys> no such file or directory
[23:33] <AC`97> oh.
[23:34] <AC`97> do you have a "initscripts" installed? (pacman -Qs initscripts)
[23:34] <Antiklesys> ran it, should it return a message?
[23:34] <AC`97> yes.
[23:34] <Antiklesys> no message returned, just went back to the command line
[23:34] <Antiklesys> shall i install that package?
[23:35] <AC`97> oh i see. then delete /etc/{rc.conf,rc.local} first, then install initscripts
[23:35] <[diecast]> why do you need to install initscripts? sounds like you're trying to circumvent the archlinux init method
[23:35] * [diecast] knows nothing about archlinux
[23:35] <AC`97> ...
[23:35] <AC`97> initscripts IS the arch init method
[23:35] <AC`97> D:<
[23:36] <[diecast]> then why is it not included
[23:36] <AC`97> or perhaps... was.
[23:36] <AC`97> until very recently
[23:36] <[diecast]> well i know some distros change those things
[23:36] <AC`97> I REFUSE TO BE SWAYED
[23:36] <Antiklesys> uuh i have a conflict now
[23:36] <[diecast]> '/etc/init.d/service' FOR LIFE!!
[23:36] <AC`97> . . .
[23:36] <Antiklesys> sysvinit and systemd-sysvcompact
[23:37] <AC`97> Antiklesys: er, perhaps hold on that for a moment..
[23:37] <Antiklesys> asks me if i want to remove the second one
[23:37] <Antiklesys> :D
[23:37] <[diecast]> you are totally breaking this guys system
[23:37] <[diecast]> hehe
[23:37] <AC`97> psh, a fix is only one dd away O:-)
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[23:38] <AC`97> Antiklesys: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd here you go
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[23:38] <AC`97> have fun with your systemd
[23:38] <Antiklesys> right i'll install it
[23:38] <AC`97> no need to install.
[23:38] <AC`97> just configure.
[23:38] <Antiklesys> oh
[23:39] <Antiklesys> on that link says install
[23:39] <AC`97> "systemctl enable daemonname.service"
[23:39] <[diecast]> that link is for people who are switching but is still relevant
[23:39] <Antiklesys> hold on installing systemd first
[23:39] <Antiklesys> worst it can happen is an upgrade
[23:40] <Antiklesys> yep it actually upgraded it
[23:40] <Antiklesys> uuh
[23:41] <Antiklesys> mmh let me try a couple of things on there
[23:43] <Antiklesys> i am actually starting to get confused on what i'm doing
[23:43] <AC`97> Antiklesys: what ARE you doing ?
[23:44] <Antiklesys> ok so, i did systemcl enable motion
[23:44] <Antiklesys> and it worked (after i added motion in rc.conf)
[23:44] <AC`97> ... o.o
[23:44] <Antiklesys> but i'm now having some issues with noip and lighttpd
[23:44] <Antiklesys> so now i'm first testing if motion is stable after the reboot
[23:44] <Antiklesys> and if it starts automatically
[23:44] <AC`97> automagically*
[23:45] <Antiklesys> mmh
[23:45] <Antiklesys> now this is interesting
[23:45] <Antiklesys> motion.conf says the daemon's off
[23:45] <Antiklesys> but motion's running
[23:45] <Antiklesys> what the...f?
[23:46] <Antiklesys> result: i got motion to run at boot but i don't know how or why
[23:46] <AC`97> lolwut
[23:46] <Antiklesys> which is not helping me when i try to do the same with noip and lighttpd
[23:46] <AC`97> what tells you it's "off" >
[23:47] <Antiklesys> the motion web gui
[23:47] <Antiklesys> on ip:8080
[23:47] <AC`97> er... ??
[23:47] * markllama (mlamouri@nat/redhat/x-skavkggmdgnmfxfj) Quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[23:47] <Antiklesys> have you got teamviewer?
[23:47] <AC`97> perhaps the web part of it is off ??
[23:47] <Antiklesys> no it's on
[23:47] <AC`97> Antiklesys: nope.
[23:47] <Antiklesys> or it wouldn't resolve in the browser
[23:47] <Antiklesys> mmh and now it went tits up
[23:48] <AC`97> Motion 3.2.11.1 Running [5] Threads
[23:48] <AC`97> joy~
[23:48] <Antiklesys> mine's running 1
[23:48] <AC`97> mine is old.
[23:48] <AC`97> 14:48:55 up 271 days, 20:25, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[23:49] <Antiklesys> mmh
[23:49] <Antiklesys> i wonder why systemctl enable daemonname.service works with motion but not with noip / lighttpd
[23:51] <Antiklesys> woah
[23:51] <AC`97> those probably don't have the necessary files yet
[23:51] <Antiklesys> actually lighttpd is already running
[23:51] <Antiklesys> ok this is getting strange
[23:52] * [SkG] (~sconde@unaffiliated/skg/x-897332) Quit (Quit: Saliendo)
[23:52] <AC`97> hmm
[23:52] * nOStahl (~nOStahl@108-198-116-80.lightspeed.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:52] * PiBot sets mode +v nOStahl
[23:53] <Antiklesys> how do i check if noip is running?
[23:53] <AC`97> what's the binary name ?
[23:53] <AC`97> "pgrep noip"
[23:53] <japro> whoops, just made git commit from the rpi but the time is off :D
[23:53] <AC`97> japro: 1969 ?
[23:53] <Antiklesys> pgrep noip or noip2 returns nothing
[23:54] <japro> it says nine hours ago
[23:54] <japro> even though it was like right now
[23:54] <AC`97> Antiklesys: then probably not running.
[23:54] <AC`97> systemd is teh weird
[23:55] <AC`97> japro: is it in your DAEMONS line in /etc/rc.conf ??
[23:55] <Antiklesys> yes it is
[23:55] <Antiklesys> oh soz
[23:55] <AC`97> ??
[23:55] <Antiklesys> but for instance, motion is running and if i do pgrep motion it returns nothing either
[23:56] <AC`97> interesting.
[23:56] <AC`97> are you logged in as root?
[23:56] <Antiklesys> yes
[23:56] <AC`97> ...
[23:56] <AC`97> can i get some ssh? i promise to not make any changes ^_^
[23:57] <japro> hmm, i guess its just a timezone fail
[23:57] <Antiklesys> not sure my router is configured to allow you through
[23:57] * CaNeS (~Punisher@72-53-130-82.cpe.distributel.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[23:57] * PiBot sets mode +v CaNeS
[23:57] <japro> the pi uses UTC time apparently atm
[23:57] <AC`97> hmm
[23:57] <Antiklesys> if you can get on teamviewer i can share my screen
[23:57] <Antiklesys> you can go there from the web too
[23:57] * AC`97 checks
[23:58] <AC`97> oh wow. 17.2MB.
[23:58] <AC`97> downloadddinggg
[23:59] <Antiklesys> :D
[23:59] <AC`97> d.o.w.n.s.l.o.w.d.i.n.g.
[23:59] <Antiklesys> opening a query with you for the connection details
[23:59] <japro> me GLES + input library now also creates multisample contexts
[23:59] <japro> yay

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