#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2012-09-30

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[0:16] <Mike632T> anyone else had a problem with their SD card when overclocking ..?
[0:16] <Mike632T> corrupt filesystem
[0:17] <[SLB]> it has been reported to happen
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[0:43] <Datalink> graa someone updated the Pi's GPIO page on the wiki, I have a rev1 and they reference rev2... I don't know which pins are reserve on mine as a result >.<
[0:44] <atouk> the wiringpi website has a good diagram
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[0:44] <Opinie> bummer :/
[0:44] <Mihaylov> Hello
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[0:45] <Mihaylov> does anyone know where to configure RetroPie? (I mean settings like buttons)
[0:46] <Datalink> atouk, are the NC pins floating, or where they just undocumented though, that's my question?
[0:46] <plugwash> pretty sure they are just undocumented, check the schematic
[0:47] <atouk> the nc pins are connected to SOMETHING. just no docs on what. best to leave alone
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[0:51] <Datalink> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Raspberry-Pi-Schematics-R1.0.pdf looks undocumented but stable... I think they had them NC before because they where unsure if they'd change
[0:52] <Datalink> that's a Rev A/B V1 board diagram
[0:52] <Datalink> which matches the pinout shown on the website
[0:52] <trevorman> the do not connect pins aren't actually DNCs now. they're now fixed at whatever they're connected to right now.
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[0:53] <Datalink> trevorman, yeah, when I looked, the schematic was updated and I kinda paniced as I didn't know if it was a rev2 change or the DNC being lifted
[0:53] <trevorman> the schematics haven't been altered
[0:54] <trevorman> they've always been listed like that in there. dom however said they won't be changing.
[0:54] <Datalink> trevorman, yeah, like I said, I didn't know, I had gone off of wiki for documentation because I have to go through so many datasheets something pre-done for me is a godsend
[0:55] <trevorman> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1929#comment-31646
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[0:56] <Datalink> I'm not denying stuff, just happy that it's a case of 'yeah, we're not gonna break this standard, reveal it all' instead of 'we added new pins!'
[0:58] <Datalink> if I'm not doing anything that could be SD data transfer, save background stuff, is it safe to yank power? or should I always shutdown proper?
[0:59] <trevorman> you should shutdown
[0:59] <Datalink> kay
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[1:00] <trevorman> if you just yank power then the filesystems will be marked as dirty even if there weren't any pending writes
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[1:15] <scummos> you can remount / read-only
[1:15] <scummos> then you can pull the power cord
[1:15] <scummos> or more exaclt remount everything read-only
[1:15] <scummos> *eaxctly
[1:15] <scummos> *exactly!
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[1:17] <Opinie> #raspberrypi
[1:17] <Opinie> sorry
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[1:33] <KRomeleoN> hey yall
[1:33] <KRomeleoN> just installed my pibow case...its so sexy
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[1:34] <tonsofpcs> pibow case?
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[1:34] <tonsofpcs> I want a nice metal enclosure...
[1:34] <KRomeleoN> http://pibow.com/static/res/pibow_threequarters.jpg
[1:34] <tonsofpcs> oh, those :)
[1:35] <tonsofpcs> is the HDMI port exposed enough?
[1:35] <KRomeleoN> yeah its recessed
[1:35] <IT_Sean> looks a bit... ... rainbow-ey.
[1:35] <KRomeleoN> lol yeah its kinda-----fruity
[1:35] <KRomeleoN> but its fun
[1:35] <KRomeleoN> and very well designed
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[1:36] <japro> looks like it minimizes the airflow
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[1:36] <KRomeleoN> the raspberry logo on top is drilled holes for air
[1:36] <tonsofpcs> KRomeleoN: I want that made into a sheet metal case, kinda like the mikrotik routerboard cases
[1:36] <KRomeleoN> and bottom plate is drilled too
[1:36] <IT_Sean> it's a raspi.
[1:36] <IT_Sean> It doesn't need airflow
[1:36] <KRomeleoN> IT_Sean, it can get hot
[1:36] <tonsofpcs> IT_Sean: but if I overclock it to 5GHz, it needs cooling!
[1:37] <japro> IT_Sean, you didn't put a liquid nitrogen coling system on yours'
[1:37] <IT_Sean> you will NEVER got that to run at 5GHz
[1:37] <KRomeleoN> lol i think he was jk
[1:37] <Opinie> overclocked it to 5 ghz?
[1:37] <IT_Sean> 1GHz perhaps.
[1:37] <IT_Sean> not 5.
[1:37] <tonsofpcs> IT_Sean: right, but I imagine the people OCing are the ones with thermal issues.
[1:37] <KRomeleoN> its at 1ghz on turbo
[1:37] <tonsofpcs> mine won't stay on for 5min idle at 1GHz
[1:38] <KRomeleoN> really?
[1:38] <tonsofpcs> rly
[1:38] <KRomeleoN> are you using the turbo?
[1:38] <KRomeleoN> or constant 1ghz?
[1:38] <tonsofpcs> the config in the raspbian release from the day after the announcement
[1:38] <tonsofpcs> (because that's the day my pi showed up)
[1:39] <tonsofpcs> it runs fine at "Moderate"
[1:39] <tonsofpcs> but the "turbo" 1GHz isn't happy.
[1:39] <KRomeleoN> hmmmm, im running fine at 1ghz....guess its luck :)
[1:39] <tonsofpcs> and you wonder why it's getting warm
[1:39] <KRomeleoN> i havent done anything with my pi yet tho other than surf the net on midori
[1:39] <KRomeleoN> idk what to do with it
[1:40] <KRomeleoN> i have it running xfce and its pretty snappy
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[1:58] <Datalink> damnit... >.< I had the wrong row on my pi wired to my breadboard, my luck I just fried something
[1:59] <IT_Sean> :o
[1:59] <IT_Sean> you just pull a daniel?
[2:00] <Datalink> I have no idea who that is
[2:00] <manitou> :9
[2:00] <IT_Sean> pulling a daniel = frying a pi
[2:00] <IT_Sean> long story.
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[2:00] <Opinie> in the logs?
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[2:01] <Datalink> ah, so far I haven't found evidence that I actually fried it... I would have to check each pin's gpio use individually, but I have 1 pin I suspect was fried... it's not currently on my breadboard
[2:01] <IT_Sean> here is the short version: There was a user called DanielDaniel who killed his Pi by splotting a massive solder blob on it, and then powering it on anyway
[2:01] <Opinie> and now DanielDaniel is no more?
[2:02] <IT_Sean> For unrelated reasons, yes.
[2:03] <Opinie> Tragic.
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[2:10] <Scriven> I need to fix my auto-login for this channel to have a delay. lol
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[2:14] <cerjam> Scriven, i have the same problem
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[2:21] <edh> Scriven: and i
[2:21] <edh> Scriven: weird thing is, I thought it worked before. but now it doesn't, so I'm probably wrong about that. ^^
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[2:28] <Scriven> OK, search to the rescue! For xchat-ers like me: /set irc_join_delay X (in seconds)
[2:28] * Scriven crosses his fingers.
[2:28] <Scriven> Same as I am for a RaspPi, funny that.
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[2:29] <Dan39> is xbmc any better at playing over net than basic omxplayer? omxplayer by itself doesnt seem to cache at all
[2:30] <Dan39> even small network distrubances or whatever and you get lag :\
[2:30] <Opinie> Dan39: I thought they were basically the same player?
[2:31] <KRomeleoN> is xbmc a dedicated distro or a program that runs on the os?
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[2:31] <Dan39> both
[2:31] <KRomeleoN> how do i install it on wheezy?
[2:31] <Dan39> well thats os for it
[2:32] <Dan39> but its a program
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[2:44] <yggdrasil> wasup gents
[2:44] <KRomeleoN> howdy
[2:46] <yggdrasil> :)
[2:46] <yggdrasil> we have any sort of gl acceleration in x yet ?
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[2:49] <SpeedEvil> no
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[2:56] <hotwings> yggdrasil - what do you think this is, 2018? :)
[2:57] <yggdrasil> yep
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[3:14] <misterhat> alrighty
[3:14] <misterhat> would one of these work well for a raspberry pi and lcd screen?
[3:14] <misterhat> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-12V-12000mAh-Super-Polymer-Rechargeable-Lithium-ion-Battery-/300762968720?pt=Batteries_Chargers&hash=item4606deb290
[3:15] <misterhat> small one at that
[3:16] <misterhat> under 4"
[3:16] <trevorman> if you have an efficient DC-DC converter to get the 5V that the RPi wants and whatever your LCD is doesn't require a huge amount of power then sure
[3:17] <misterhat> yeah i figured i'd need a good stepdown
[3:17] <misterhat> and i've heard of LED modding LCD screens
[3:17] <misterhat> to use even less power
[3:18] <trevorman> easier to just get one that uses LEDs in the first place IMO
[3:18] <misterhat> must be more expensive tho
[3:18] <trevorman> something like the http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/2110 or one of the various eBay DC-DC converters
[3:18] <misterhat> a 3.5" lcd screen costs like $15
[3:19] <misterhat> trevorman: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/DC-DC-Converter-Regulator-12V-24V-Stepdown-5V-10A-Car-PSU-Module-Waterproof-/300785827538?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item46083b7ed2
[3:19] <misterhat> ?
[3:19] <trevorman> yeah something like that
[3:19] <misterhat> nice
[3:20] <misterhat> yeah the pi takes a good 700ma apparently
[3:20] <misterhat> well it's been running swell on my 700ma cell-phone charger
[3:20] <trevorman> 700mA is with two 100mA devices on the USB ports
[3:20] <chithead> usb 1A/2A car chargers cost a bit less
[3:20] <misterhat> chithead: i'll look out for those
[3:21] <misterhat> trevorman: nice then
[3:21] <misterhat> i won't be using both
[3:21] <trevorman> and that also includes power for the ethernet connection. if you're not using that then it'll be less
[3:21] <misterhat> and it's not a high-power usb device either
[3:21] <misterhat> yeah no ethernet either
[3:21] <misterhat> that's awesome then
[3:22] <trevorman> the 3.3V regulator on the RPi is just a plain linear regulator as well so you can replace that if you want to reduce power consumption
[3:22] <misterhat> yeah but i don't wanna risk messing it up
[3:22] <misterhat> i'd need to buy a better soldering iron as well
[3:23] <chithead> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170725956245
[3:23] <misterhat> chithead: that's cute
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[3:23] <misterhat> looks like it's the same thing just in a different case
[3:23] <misterhat> :P
[3:24] <maffeil> hell
[3:24] <maffeil> hello
[3:24] <misterhat> hi maffeil
[3:24] <maffeil> I am trying to create a raspberrypi supercomputer with multiple pis
[3:24] <trevorman> chithead: those adapters have linear regulators in them
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[3:24] <maffeil> I am following the instructions at http://www.southampton.ac.uk/~sjc/raspberrypi/
[3:24] <maffeil> has anyone tried that
[3:24] <maffeil> ?
[3:24] <misterhat> trevorman: did the original one i link you to not use a linear regulator?
[3:25] <trevorman> I've got a couple that look exactly like that except black and they get really hot if you run it at max
[3:25] <trevorman> misterhat: no. it was a DC-DC converter as the efficiency was way too high to be a linear reg
[3:25] <maffeil> i would like to know if anyone else was successful to know if the instructions acxtually work '
[3:25] <chithead> trevorman: interestingly, not all
[3:25] <maffeil> acutally*
[3:25] <misterhat> the car adapter doesn't state the efficiency
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[3:26] <trevorman> if its not stated then I'd assume it is just using a linear regulator as they're cheaper
[3:26] <misterhat> oh duh
[3:26] <misterhat> the first one i linked you to
[3:26] <misterhat> says "DC-DC"
[3:27] <misterhat> lol
[3:27] <misterhat> yeah alright i'll look out for that then
[3:28] <misterhat> trevorman: those 12v LCD screens don't actually need 12v to run do they?
[3:28] <misterhat> i was told it was 12v just because they were meant for cars
[3:29] <trevorman> idk. you could probably tap it after the first regulator. they'll probably be 3.3V or 5V
[3:29] <misterhat> so would a lower voltage battery be ideal?
[3:29] <misterhat> and cheaper?
[3:30] <misterhat> or should i just use a regulator
[3:30] <trevorman> easiest option would be one of those USB power packs that just output 5V anyway
[3:30] <misterhat> yeah
[3:30] <trevorman> but you'd need to find or modify a LCD to run off 5V. probably easier to find one that is 12V as you said for cars
[3:30] <misterhat> i'll buy the screen before the battery then
[3:31] <misterhat> i'd think the USB battery power pack things would be cheaper
[3:31] <misterhat> as more people buy them
[3:31] <trevorman> yeah
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[3:32] <misterhat> wow
[3:33] <misterhat> yeah they're cheaper
[3:33] <misterhat> wait so trevorman, if it's 9800mAh on 12v, what would 5800mAh on 5v be?
[3:34] <trevorman> that'd be about 1/4 the capacity
[3:35] <misterhat> kk
[3:35] <misterhat> seems about right
[3:35] <chithead> you'd probably be better off with the 12v, even with the least efficient china voltage regulator
[3:35] <misterhat> a lot of these 5v batteries also do 12v
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[3:38] <misterhat> wow so at 5v these things would last a while
[3:38] <misterhat> just powering the pi
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[3:45] <maffeil> anyone here familiar with clustering in linux
[3:46] <deflux> only distcc, not cpu clustering
[3:46] <steve_rox> misterhat i thought you binned your pi
[3:46] <misterhat> uhh
[3:46] <misterhat> err
[3:46] <misterhat> i bought another of course
[3:46] <steve_rox> did you kill it?
[3:46] <misterhat> nope
[3:47] <misterhat> i got PS1 emulation smoothly instead
[3:49] <misterhat> so yeah i guess the pi can do genesis emulation if someone wrote an ARM optimized emulator :P
[3:49] <steve_rox> wish could get a sega saturn emu going on it
[3:49] <steve_rox> i play sonic on mine easy
[3:49] <misterhat> yeah overclocked to turbo
[3:49] <misterhat> :P
[3:49] <misterhat> the PS1 emulator runs fine on default clock
[3:49] <steve_rox> can yours with stand the tubo mode?
[3:50] <misterhat> yeah
[3:50] <misterhat> but i'd rather not
[3:50] <steve_rox> oh?
[3:51] * SpeedEvil ponders genesis emulation.
[3:51] <steve_rox> im havein hell getting wifi working now
[3:51] <SpeedEvil> I'd prefer queen emulation.
[3:51] <steve_rox> dgen sdl
[3:51] <misterhat> i tried some other one
[3:51] <misterhat> genesis GX or something
[3:51] <misterhat> i imagine dgen sdl is slow because it isn't using opengl ES?
[3:51] <steve_rox> with OC applyed its smooth
[3:52] <misterhat> that's probably what's slowing it down though
[3:52] <misterhat> like without OC
[3:52] <steve_rox> still got some annoyaces tho
[3:52] <misterhat> if it were utilizing GPU it would run fine
[3:52] <steve_rox> like loading it in X will only allow it to display thu composite
[3:52] <misterhat> i don't load any of my emus in X
[3:52] <steve_rox> without X it routs to hdmi
[3:52] <misterhat> there was some command you could run
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[3:53] <misterhat> to disable composite
[3:53] <misterhat> or hdmi
[3:53] <steve_rox> think i tryed one
[3:53] <misterhat> i forgot it though. you'd have to do some googling
[3:53] <steve_rox> had no effect
[3:54] <misterhat> i see
[3:54] <misterhat> well you could try the retroarch emulator
[3:54] <misterhat> the genesis emulator for that one ran master system 100% without OC
[3:54] <misterhat> i think it also does game gear
[3:54] <steve_rox> i think i got a url to it
[3:54] <steve_rox> but havent got around to it
[3:55] <steve_rox> i have to solve wifi issues at moment
[3:55] <misterhat> yeah retroarch has good snes and nes emulator as well
[3:55] <misterhat> pocketsnes does full speed SNES emulation without OC
[3:55] <misterhat> some parts with a ton of moving enemies on the screen may slow down. that's where OC would probably help
[3:55] <steve_rox> im more a sega guy ;-)
[3:56] <misterhat> nintendo is what genesisn't
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[4:02] <Datalink> is there a source for breadboard breakout boards for the pi aside from the Adafruit one?
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[4:14] <Xark> Datalink: I am sure there are others, but have you seen http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/cover-with-breadboard-area-for-raspberry-pi-red-p-1071.html
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[4:16] <Xark> Datalink: Not hard to make your own ribbon to breadboard too (I just bent some "long headers" and it works nicely) -> http://imgur.com/a/WmOWn
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[4:22] <Datalink> Xark, the cover with breadboard area doesn't have any form of breakout on it's own, it still relies on the Cobbler, but the bent pin header seems good, if I had a 2x header I'd do that
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[4:23] <Xark> I just used two 1xheaders (from Adafruit). :)
[4:23] <Xark> Like https://www.adafruit.com/products/400
[4:24] <Xark> Connectors like these also work nicely https://www.adafruit.com/products/825
[4:25] <Xark> Datalink: There was also this project, but seems like too much work too me (I like my "bent pins" better) -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1521
[4:27] <atouk> not a lot of room on that adafruit breadboard
[4:28] <Xark> atouk: They have a larger one available too. The small one is nice if you want to use it as a "roof" for their case (for small circuits) ->
[4:30] <Xark> https://www.adafruit.com/products/942
[4:31] <atouk> for anything semi permanent, i'd want to get some buffers or line drivers on there first
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[4:34] <Xark> atouk: Yeah. I have mostly been using it for TTL serial (which is buffered by my cable).
[4:36] <atouk> and FFS, cover that +5 on the pi to avoid costly errors
[4:36] <Xark> I do kind of think on their $8 "passive" connector (https://www.adafruit.com/products/914 ) they could have sprung for at least some minimal protection (zener diodes or something) or (even better) some buffering.
[4:39] <Datalink> yeah, I may make something eventually, then see if I can sell a few...
[4:40] <Datalink> if I do, it'll probably be a 2 layer stacked board to put the buffers somewhere safe
[4:40] <Datalink> aka, circuitboard for the Pi, circuitboard for breadboard side
[4:41] * Datalink buys one of the pibow cases... costs nearly as much as his pi...
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[4:41] * deflux shakes head
[4:42] <Datalink> ?
[4:43] <Xark> Datalink: Cheapskate, you should have gotten one of these -> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1039 :)
[4:43] <Datalink> while both awesome and wonderful for heat disipation, I like the pibow
[4:43] <Datalink> dear gods, it looks like that one'd be safe to use in a bomb range
[4:44] <Xark> Datalink: Yes (hence the smiley). I would have purchased a Pibow if I didn't already get the clear case (which I am happy with).
[4:44] <Datalink> pibow fits my needs, and will make it the most portable dev board I own...
[4:44] <Datalink> I still need a powered hub though
[4:45] <Datalink> I wonder if it'd be bad to power a Pi from a powered hub being used for that pi
[4:45] <drivelights> that's what I do
[4:45] <misterhat> trevorman: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/11200mAh-USB-Mobile-Power-Bank-External-Battery-Charger-iPhone-iPad-iPod-HTC-/280952634982?pt=Other_Tablet_eReader_Accessories&hash=item416a14fe66
[4:45] <misterhat> how's this thing?
[4:45] <drivelights> but it is a hub that has high power outputs
[4:45] <Xark> Datalink: I tried it. It "works" but I had issues when plugging devices in. It would tend to reboot the RPi.
[4:46] <Datalink> Xark, yeah, that's a concern I have too
[4:46] <drivelights> I think the high current output ports of the hub I used have no data connection
[4:46] <trevorman> misterhat: should be fine but it is 1/2 the capacity of that 12V one though
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[4:46] <trevorman> but less work needed *shrug*
[4:47] <misterhat> hmm
[4:47] <misterhat> but it's about the same price
[4:47] <misterhat> so nope
[4:47] <Datalink> I don't see how data pins would be an issue, specifically? the Pi doesn't have the USB hooked up on the power plug, I thought?
[4:47] <Xark> Datalink: On the forums people were saying you can fix this with (IIRC) a capacitor or something, but I just got a 5v PS that works nicely (along with powered hub).
[4:47] <drivelights> the hub I used was a d-link DUB-H7
[4:48] <misterhat> trevorman: i guess the 12v 9800mah would still be better then
[4:48] <Datalink> eventually I'm gonna just rig up a cover with a miniUSB plug and a hub on it... but that'll take effort and I'm notoriously lazy... annoyingly
[4:48] <Datalink> I got a backup battery but it's the wrong size >.<
[4:48] <Datalink> but I have a ton of stuff that uses miniUSB
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[4:53] <maicod> how would I create a new shortcut to a program in LXDE ?
[4:54] <misterhat> ah
[4:54] <misterhat> gnome desktop format
[4:54] <maicod> ehm?
[4:54] <misterhat> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[4:55] <maicod> well yea but what I mean is a GUI
[4:55] <misterhat> well
[4:56] <misterhat> you could do a symbolic link as well i think
[4:56] <misterhat> but for GUI or menu entries you could use .desktop files
[4:56] <maicod> I heard about LXshortcut but if I type it only a commandline appears
[4:56] <maicod> I saw it has a GUI on a webpage
[4:58] <maicod> do you know lxshortcut ?
[4:59] <misterhat> no
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[5:00] <maicod> it comes with wheezy could you type it in a terminal ? maybe you understand what it does
[5:00] <maicod> on the Pi
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[5:08] <maicod> I'm now manually editing a copy of a .desktopfile but its strange theres no GUI in LXDE for it
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[5:28] <asaru> getting usb gamepad to work on my pi is proving troublesome
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[5:30] <misterhat> it is?
[5:30] <misterhat> mine worked fine asaru
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[5:53] <asaru> its a logitech f310
[5:53] <asaru> cant get anything from it
[5:53] <asaru> lsusb shows nothing
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[6:15] <wrostek> Has anyone gotten lirc-0.9.0 to work?
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[6:17] <wrostek> I finally got Lirc-0.9.0 compiled on my gentoo rpi, and irw is receiving key events, however they are slow.. It seems like every time a button on the remote is pressed, lira writes a file on the SD card or something, because there is a pause before the next button registers
[6:17] <wrostek> anyone know anything about this>
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[6:19] <amitksaha> i am trying to get YouTube working from the instructions here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=8157&p=98096
[6:19] <amitksaha> got everything installed -
[6:19] <amitksaha> however when I select the video, it doesn't play :-/
[6:19] <amitksaha> no error or anything..
[6:19] <amitksaha> don't see it either
[6:20] <amitksaha> would someone have an idea?
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[6:22] <Datalink> if I'm not powering from the USB port, is it safe to power the Pi from the 5 volt pin on P1?
[6:22] <Datalink> through another regulator
[6:23] <Datalink> amitksaha, ah, the youtube-dl method... what video player are you playing the videos with?
[6:24] <amitksaha> Datalink, omxplayer..
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[6:24] <Datalink> is omxplayer installed? I don't think it is on mine, for example
[6:24] <amitksaha> I can play mp4 files alright.
[6:24] <amitksaha> its installed.
[6:25] <Datalink> what's the file extension of the file you're using, some of them are in webm now
[6:25] <amitksaha> you mean the downloaded file?
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[6:26] <Datalink> yeah
[6:26] <Datalink> basically what file type is it?
[6:26] <amitksaha> no idea- using the yt interface :-/
[6:26] <amitksaha> i can try using the youtube-dl directly
[6:27] <Datalink> I'd suggest trying that, and playing the file with omxplayer directly, to see if it's the script or the file
[6:27] <Datalink> if it works, it's the script, if it doesn't, it's the file
[6:27] <amitksaha> Hmm right
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[6:30] <amitksaha> any particular reason youtube-dl should fail to download videos? I have tried a couple and fails for both
[6:31] <amitksaha> turning --verbose on doesn't lead to any clues
[6:31] <amitksaha> i can play it from my browser --
[6:31] <amitksaha> (on another computer)
[6:31] * amitksaha thinks so that's where its failing
[6:32] <SIFTU> amitksaha: let me try it, did you update it?
[6:32] <amitksaha> SIFTU, distro update, you mean?
[6:32] <SIFTU> amitksaha: no like youtube-dl option
[6:33] <amitksaha> youtube-dl --verbose http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PibXTko6VC4
[6:33] <amitksaha> that;s what i tried?
[6:33] <SIFTU> amitksaha: youtube-dl -U
[6:34] <amitksaha> fails. duh.
[6:34] <SIFTU> oh because of arm?
[6:34] <amitksaha> no its working!
[6:34] <amitksaha> on my Intel
[6:34] <amitksaha> let me now try on Pi
[6:35] <SIFTU> it should work
[6:35] <SIFTU> seems to be downloading for me
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[6:38] <amitksaha> SIFTU, youtube-dl works for me now on the Pi.
[6:38] <SIFTU> amitksaha: common trap
[6:38] <amitksaha> thanks for the tip
[6:39] <SIFTU> amitksaha: youtube change their backend often, thats why they put that -U in there
[6:39] <SIFTU> so you dont have to wait for your distro
[6:39] <amitksaha> nice.
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[6:46] <Datalink> youtube-dl is python it shouldn't be affected by distros
[6:47] <Datalink> really they should put -U as part of the distro install script
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[6:49] <Datalink> hm, omxplayer isn't playing on my system
[6:50] <Datalink> do I need X running for it?
[6:50] <SIFTU> Datalink: it's the youtube site which changes, and changes often
[6:51] <Datalink> SIFTU, I know... I just installed youtube-dl less than 5 minutes ago though... which is why I commented that youtube-dl -U should be part of the install script
[6:51] <Datalink> anyway, I"m now at the problem of figuring out omxplayer
[6:51] <SIFTU> Datalink: maybe so, but it could break again tomorrow
[6:52] <Datalink> true
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[6:57] <Datalink> also is there a way to disable the TTY on the UART0, I'd like to turn it into an Arduino controller
[6:58] <Datalink> or is that in the boot firmware?
[6:58] <amitksaha> omxplayer had issues on my Pi- mplayer seems to be doing better
[6:58] <amitksaha> but is still super slow
[6:58] <amitksaha> got yt working btw - with mplayer
[6:59] <Xark> Datalink: It is only in the startup scripts. I believe you can edit (IIRC) /etc/mgetty.conf (or something like that) and # out the login on the serial port.
[7:00] <Datalink> ah cool, so it is a soft implementation
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[7:01] <Datalink> mind you, I'm staring at it through my Arduino's FTDI right now... heh
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[7:01] <Xark> Datalink: Cool. I used an FTDI cable I had for Arduino too. :)
[7:01] <Datalink> also I went with the bent pins option, seemed most practical given I had enough pin headers
[7:01] <Xark> Datalink: Excellent. :D
[7:01] <Datalink> it's easy, just short the reset to ground and the arduino stays out of the picture
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[7:02] <Datalink> I /may/ need to swap RX and TX for the pi to talk with the arduino though
[7:02] <Datalink> I run RX, TX and GND to the Pi's GPIO though, works pretty well, I acutally log into it...
[7:04] <Xark> Datalink: Yeah. Early on where there were a few kernel issues it was kind of cool to be at a kernel debugger prompt when there was a kernel panic (however, I haven't had any recently).
[7:04] <Datalink> I haven't had any with the raspian distro I'm using
[7:04] <Datalink> but I can't figure out omxplayer now :/
[7:09] <Datalink> so... how do I use omxplayer?
[7:15] <bircoe> omxplayer -o hdmi videofile.mp4
[7:18] <Datalink> yeah that's not working, no errors... just gives me the info page... trying a couple things from the wiki entry and I'll see if that fixes things
[7:19] <Datalink> datalink@raspberrypi:~$ omxplayer -o hdmi cPnAwlZicDI.mp4
[7:19] <Datalink> file : cPnAwlZicDI.mp4 result 153 format mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 audio streams 1 video streams 1 chapters 0 subtitles 0
[7:19] <Datalink> have a nice day ;)
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[7:22] <bircoe> perhaps try another file
[7:23] * Datalink grabs an FLV apparently... "I may need a source of video besides youtube"
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[7:30] <Datalink> 00:00:00 T:0 ERROR: COMXCoreComponent::Initialize - could not get component handle for OMX.broadcom.clock omx_err(0x80001000)
[7:30] <Datalink> joy
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[7:35] <Datalink> yeah, it's giving me component errors...
[7:39] <Datalink> VLC's like "here have ASCIIvision" and uses the ascii display library
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[7:45] <Datalink|Elsewhe> note to self, cable to router for laptop is loose
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[7:47] <slackguru> Well, ty PiBot
[7:47] <slackguru> Evening everyone, are there 64 bit RaspberryPi's?
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[7:49] <misterhat> slackguru: no
[7:49] <misterhat> the only pis out there are ARM
[7:49] <misterhat> :P
[7:50] <SIFTU> slackguru: only armv8 has 64bit
[7:50] <Datalink> Pi's based on the armv6 which is 32 bit I believe
[7:50] <misterhat> yeh
[7:51] <slackguru> Does anyone know of cloud services in a Linux distro that can work on 32bit architecture then?
[7:51] <SIFTU> slackguru: so now you are talking x86?
[7:52] <Datalink> define cloud services...
[7:52] <Datalink> most of those are webapps
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[8:05] <Datalink> is there something I need to do to fix my omxplayer error?
[8:05] <Datalink> 00:00:00 T:0 ERROR: COMXCoreComponent::Initialize - could not get component handle for OMX.broadcom.clock omx_err(0x80001000)
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[8:59] <steve_rox> wonder what the definition is of out of the box wifi :-P
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[9:17] <bircoe> Out of the Box WiFi (must supply own WiFi adapter with supported chipset and have good understanding of Linux WiFi tools)
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[9:24] <steve_rox> well ive managed to get xbmc to see routers in the area
[9:24] <steve_rox> so thats a start
[9:24] <steve_rox> i just cant get it to connect to my router now
[9:25] <GGon> heh
[9:25] <GGon> steve_rox: raspbmc is broken right now
[9:25] <bircoe> took me a while to realise you need to have ethernet unplugged
[9:25] <GGon> i'm surprised you were able to get it to run at all
[9:25] <GGon> bircoe: ethernet unplugged?
[9:25] <steve_rox> my eathernet is unplugged
[9:25] <steve_rox> it kept saying status connected
[9:26] <steve_rox> so i removed it
[9:26] <GGon> i'm trying xbian now
[9:26] <GGon> new raspbmc is broken
[9:26] <steve_rox> not sure what the hell im using
[9:26] <bircoe> GGon, by default OpenELEC wont connect to a wifi betwork if you have an ethernet connection
[9:27] <steve_rox> im using a wifi addon in xbmc to try help me
[9:27] <steve_rox> it sees networks and i gave it my key + allowed its mac on the lan
[9:27] <steve_rox> damn wifi is annoying
[9:28] <bircoe> it creates a crazy network loop if you do and your network goes to crap
[9:29] <steve_rox> well least i could get a list of access points in xbmc
[9:29] <steve_rox> in wheesy i get nothing
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[9:31] <asaru> still no joystick
[9:31] <asaru> it appears in lsusb now
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[9:31] <asaru> but no js device
[9:33] <steve_rox> joystick?
[9:34] <asaru> its a logitech gamepad f310
[9:34] <asaru> well
[9:35] <asaru> when i flip the x/d switch to x it appears in lsusb but no js device, when i switch it to d it makes a js0 and retroarch-joyconfig runs but buttons dont do anything
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[9:39] <misterhat> asaru: can u run jstest?
[9:39] <asaru> i dunno
[9:39] <misterhat> sudo apt-get install joystick
[9:39] <asaru> im thinking this is cause of the 140mA usb port limit
[9:39] <misterhat> jstest /dev/input/js0
[9:40] <bircoe> strong possibility
[9:40] <asaru> no powered hub
[9:40] <asaru> back of the joystick says rating: 5v 500mA
[9:40] <misterhat> jeez
[9:40] <misterhat> it might be the force feedback motors
[9:41] <asaru> makes sense
[9:41] <asaru> either way its not working
[9:41] <asaru> guess i'll need to get a powered hub
[9:41] <misterhat> cause i've ran a few on them
[9:41] <misterhat> without powered usb hub
[9:41] <bircoe> asaru, that will definetly need a powered hub...
[9:41] <misterhat> PS1 to USB adapter worked fine
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[9:45] <steve_rox> seems i can logon to someones router thats insecure just not my own
[9:45] <steve_rox> fun times
[9:46] <bircoe> go nuts with it :)
[9:46] <misterhat> you're evil
[9:46] <steve_rox> whys that
[9:46] <bircoe> set a password on it and lock him/her out of their own network
[9:46] <misterhat> no
[9:46] <misterhat> upsidedownternet
[9:47] <asaru> check for windows shares, and upload a bunch of anti-ms propoganda
[9:47] <steve_rox> its a durpy BTfon AP , anyone from uk will know what crap that is
[9:47] <deflux> change their ssid to free internet
[9:47] <deflux> :P
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[10:03] <steve_rox> think that got it
[10:05] <steve_rox> yup that got it , mac addres filtering was bugging it
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[10:59] <slackguru> Sorry SIFTU for taking so long to respond...
[11:00] <slackguru> Instead of telling you what I mean by cloud services I'll explain what I'd like to attempt to do.
[11:01] <slackguru> I have 2 ideas I want to work on, first being an inexpensive "super computer".
[11:02] <Joeboy> Does anybody know of a channel for people doing baremetal type stuff on the pi?
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> Joeboy, there is a forum on raspberrypi.org dedicated to it.
[11:03] <Joeboy> Morning
[11:03] <Joeboy> Thanks
[11:04] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=72&sid=3407448e9b0d05749bafa65c292f4b63
[11:05] <slackguru> I envision 50 RPi's with identical installations and something like the openstack suite running on them. Giving a single console access to a single RPi but that RPi has the full capacity of all 50 RPi's in computing, both block and object storage and networking. All the processors operating in unison to complete a single task. That task being whatever I am working on at the moment. All the storage devices operating as though they ar
[11:05] <slackguru> e raid shared across a single cloud.
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[11:09] <gordonDrogon> slackguru, My triple core AMD processor in my desktop has more cpu power than a couple of dozen Pis.
[11:10] <slackguru> The second idea is similar only in the number of RPi's involved. I want to change the intended purpose for many of the RPi's in this scenario. I would like one completely reprogrammed with a bootstrap only and the necessary components to complete what it would be needed for and I'm sorry, I don't have a realistic template I can compare it too without totally revealing what I intend for this project and right now I'm not really ready
[11:10] <slackguru> discuss the details.
[11:10] <slackguru> Yeah gordonDrogon I know desktop computing is still more powerful than ARM, but ARM is far more cool and stable.
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> slackguru, cool as in trendy? Possibly. Power consumption? 50 Pi's is going to take 100 watts minimum. My desktop uses half that.
[11:11] <slackguru> the new A15 cortex is dual core 1.5 ghz and that would be fine for my purpose except they don't determine on ARM's site if the processor is 8, 16, 32 0r 64 bit
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> it will be at least 32 bit. There has never been an ARM that isn't 32 bit.
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[11:12] <slackguru> That's funny, my desktop has an 800 watt powersupply
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> sure - doesn't mean it takes 800 watts.
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> it just means it can, if it needs to.
[11:13] <drivelights> maybe 400W when under load
[11:13] <drivelights> 300W idle
[11:13] <slackguru> True that, I don't think I've ever heard my PS fan running.
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> a lot depends on the graphics systems you have - and the processor - I've always traded power for grunt though.
[11:13] <slackguru> right but like you said, 50 Pi's only need 100 wats.
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> drivelights, you have a 300w idle desktop? That's just crazy.
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[11:13] <slackguru> not bad for a "super computer"
[11:14] <drivelights> I don't remember what it is now, somewhere in that ballpark. been a while since I hooked up the kill-a-watt meter
[11:14] <slackguru> I was just thinking Pi's could act like blades
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/a-box-of-200-raspberry-pis/
[11:14] <bircoe> not even in the ballpark!
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[11:15] <bircoe> desktop PC's should idle around 60-80w... depending on hardware of course
[11:15] <bircoe> 300w idle is kind of extreme
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> offset against the room heating, I suppose ...
[11:16] <drivelights> it has a lot of hardware, 2 hard drives, a 125w i7 processor, 2 high power GPU cards, plenty of fans, plus a water cooler for the CPU
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> ok - it's a bit of a high end gaming rig...
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> I'd hope it would idle at well under 100w though.
[11:16] <drivelights> I may also be estimating high for the idle power
[11:17] <drivelights> I might be counting the monitor too
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> back to Pi's and clusters, etc. I'm not even sure it makes economic sense - for udner ?100 I can get a high-end motherboard, big wodge of RAM and a processor. That'll only get me 3 Pi's.
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> I think they might make a good proof of concept - a teaching of experimentation device. Not sure for actual production.
[11:18] <bircoe> my PC idles at 70w with 3x hard disk, a sound card that requires extra power and nvidia 250gts gpu
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> it's just too easy to get a rack of servers these days and a high-end switch ...
[11:20] <bircoe> my work recently sold off some Dell Power Edge servers... out of warranty, sans RAM and disks and they still fetched $2100
[11:20] <bircoe> just nuts!
[11:21] <slackguru> I am looking for inexpensive... yes a rack of servers and highend switch is expensive.
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[11:24] <Berry6510> Finally canceled my order at RS elements
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> slackguru, you'll never get the performance - the Pi just isn't fast enough and the IO is crippled via the USB.
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[11:26] <slackguru> I can tell a kernel not to operate usb
[11:27] <Joeboy> slackguru: You know about parallella?
[11:27] <slackguru> The problem I am faced with is the cloud software, most require a 64bit OS
[11:27] <slackguru> Noe Joeboy
[11:27] <bircoe> the ethernet adapter is on the USB bus... you'd have to implement ethernet some other way, ie i2s or spi
[11:27] <drivelights> if you have no USB then you have no ethernet
[11:27] <steve_rox> usb and eathernet on same chip
[11:27] <Joeboy> slackguru: http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/09/parallella-99-supercomputer-running.html (nothing to do with the pi though)
[11:28] <slackguru> So I'll buy a wifi add-on
[11:28] <drivelights> what bircoe said
[11:28] <bircoe> wifi for cluster work?
[11:28] <drivelights> wifi is only though USB right?
[11:28] <bircoe> you could use a bare wifi device via SPI or i2s
[11:29] <bircoe> you'd need to write kernel modules/drivers tho
[11:29] <bircoe> and your throughput will be rather limited in comparison to the onboard ethernet
[11:29] <Joeboy> probably i2c, not i2s I think
[11:29] <bircoe> my bad
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> slackguru, if you have no USB, then you have no network.
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> you're not thinking this through. I2C is 400Kb/sec. SPI is not usable as a general purpose comms bus - it would be slower than USB.
[11:32] <slackguru> First, the "super computer" will not be on the internet under any circumstances.
[11:32] <bircoe> ...
[11:32] <bircoe> how do you link them if you have no network?
[11:33] <slackguru> Second, the only reason it would even need network access is to troubleshoot problems easily. I'm not looking for easy. I'm looking for cheap, fast, and portable.
[11:33] <mgottschlag> slackguru: so what is this "supercomputer" intended to do? 99.9% of all problems require communication between nodes
[11:34] <bircoe> but how would the Pi's communicate without network?
[11:34] <mgottschlag> do you even know what MPI is, or know anything similar?
[11:34] <slackguru> Are you saying that the USB bus is the only solution currently implemented on the Pi for network?
[11:34] <bircoe> YES
[11:34] <slackguru> How do they get 100baseT out of usb?
[11:34] <slackguru> That's an impossibility
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> slackguru, Do you even have a Pi? It sounds like you don't have any practical experience of them at all, yet here you are waffling on about making a cluster out of them?
[11:35] <mgottschlag> 100baseT = 100Mbit, USB = 400MBit
[11:35] <bircoe> the ethernet controller is attached to the single USB port in the Broadcom SOC, the ethernet chip also contains a 2 port USB hub which is where the Pi's USB ports are connected to
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, USB = Half Duplex too.
[11:35] <Joeboy> slackguru: Do you have a use case for this supercomputer, or is it just for fun?
[11:36] <mgottschlag> okay, but even then there should be some headroom :)
[11:36] <bircoe> so in a nutshell if you boot a kernel that has USB turned off then you also disable the ethernet chip
[11:37] <drivelights> USB 2.0 = 480 Mbps maximum theoretical throughput
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[11:37] <drivelights> so that's a small amount of headroom
[11:37] <Joeboy> I don't know much about clustering, but I would imagine SPI / I2C would be adequate for some purposes
[11:37] <Joeboy> eg. render farms
[11:37] <techsurvivor> mostly true, 2.0 and 1.1 and 1.0 are half, 3.0 is full duplex
[11:38] <Joeboy> I mean, if you got them to behave like network interfaces
[11:38] <drivelights> compare that to USB 1.1 throughput of 11 Mbps
[11:38] <slackguru> No, never touched a Pi, but I've been building computers since HeathKit was around. With the right tools, I could etch my own motherboard better than any of the manufacturers today.
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[11:38] <slackguru> so let's just drop the idea of trying to ascertain my abilities.
[11:38] <steve_rox> just hit me, it must be sunday since none the news rss are updateing , news magically stops on weekends :-P
[11:38] <slackguru> If you don't want to discuss this, fine.
[11:38] <Joeboy> slackguru: are you comfortable writing a serial driver for spi / i2c?
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[11:39] <Joeboy> (if one doesn't exist already)
[11:39] <Joeboy> which I imagine it probably does
[11:39] <bircoe> slackguru, people have been discussing it but your not paying attention to some key points that floor your plans
[11:39] <Joeboy> I suspect the economics is highly suspect, but I'm not seeing why it's not doable
[11:40] <bircoe> it is doable and it has been done
[11:40] <gordonDrogon> slackguru, Yea, and you really couldn't hand-etch a modern motherboard, so stop talking the donkey poo and get with the real world.
[11:40] <bircoe> Joeboy, http://www.zdnet.com/raspberry-pi-meets-lego-in-supercomputer-like-cluster-photos-7000004209/
[11:42] <Joeboy> Lovely :-)
[11:50] <slackguru> USB 3.0 is supposed to see throughput of up to 5Gbps
[11:50] <slackguru> I know that's not a possibility on the Pi's, but there's more than one way to skin a cat
[11:51] <steve_rox> leave the cats alone
[11:51] <gordonDrogon> bread's out of the oven: http://unicorn.drogon.net/bread2.jpg time to have a slice of it warm with a coffee!
[11:52] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: thanks
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> same oven that did my steak last night :) http://unicorn.drogon.net/steak.jpg
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> I love cooking on charcoal!
[11:55] <slackguru> My first hurdle is 64 bit processing, and I like that link to the parallella... thanks for the info. First I've seen of it. It still only has the A9 processor and I'm not understanding the 16 core implementation. It doesn't seem feasible. It's not like they're the manufacturer of ARM processors.
[11:57] <Joeboy> slackguru: They're a fabless chip company apparently
[11:57] <Joeboy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adapteva
[11:58] <Joeboy> Anyone can make ARM processors if they pay the licence
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[12:00] <SpeedEvil> the mini processors aren't arm
[12:00] <Joeboy> That too :-)
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[12:01] <bircoe> from what i gather the Parallella has a Dual core ARM A9 CPU in combination with a seperate chip that has 16 processing cores...
[12:02] <bircoe> this chip: http://www.adapteva.com/products/silicon-devices/e16g301/
[12:03] <bircoe> it's a cool concept
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[12:05] <[SLB]> gordon i sometimes put some softened raisin into the bread paste, tastes good :D
[12:05] <hamitron> bircoe, waiting for the 64 core version
[12:05] <hamitron> ;)
[12:06] <bircoe> I wonder how well it could encode h264 video :)
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], yea. I've not really gotten into fruit breads. I make a mean fruit loaf though (not a bread).
[12:07] <bircoe> 16x 1ghz cores seems like it would be more powerful than my 4x 3.1ghz CPU
[12:07] <bircoe> the 64 core version should be interesting
[12:07] <[SLB]> nice eheh :)
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> Hmm. Yum yum. I could eat that bread all day - home made sourdough in a charcoal oven!
[12:07] <[SLB]> looks good, and must taste good too :D
[12:07] <Joeboy> It will be interesting to see if parallel computing ever becomes a mainstream programming pradigm
[12:08] <Joeboy> I'm hoping not - it looks hard ;-)
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], http://unicorn.drogon.net/hrfloaf.pdf
[12:08] <hamitron> imo it is best to keep apps simple, then just have 1 core per process or something
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[12:09] <Joeboy> hamitron: at some point that's going to mean you're massively underutilizing your hardware though
[12:09] <hamitron> oh yhe
[12:09] <hamitron> yeh*
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> hamitron, a lot depends on the program/application - some break down and parallelise well, some don't...
[12:09] <bircoe> Once we have a strong community in place, work will being on PCIe boards containing multiple 1024-core chips with 2048 GFLOPS of double precision performance per chip.
[12:09] <bircoe> bring it on!!!
[12:09] <hamitron> but I'd like to see min requirements to start slowing down
[12:09] <DarkTherapy> how do I work out the device name for my USB sound card, for mplayer to use it?
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, the last supercomputer co. I worked with had 2 x 96 cores on a single PCIe card.. 10 years ago.
[12:10] <DarkTherapy> ie - mplayer -ao alsa:device=
[12:10] <[SLB]> oh it's a family generational thing? nice!
[12:10] <bircoe> wasit affordABLE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC?
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], it's a bit of fun, however ;-)
[12:10] <bircoe> damn caps
[12:10] <ExeciN> I am trying to use raspiwrite to get the wheezy package on my sd but every time I try I get this error: https://gist.github.com/fc629e70c3682e85ec3f what am I doing wrong?
[12:10] <[SLB]> eheh :)
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, actually yes - the company just had a crap sales team.
[12:11] <bircoe> hmmm
[12:11] <bircoe> well tht sucks!
[12:11] <hamitron> so what do we need more power for these days?
[12:11] <ExeciN> I forgot to mention that I am on Mac OS
[12:11] <hamitron> ;/
[12:11] <bircoe> video processing :)
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> hamitron, that's the big question - natural speech analysis springs to mind.
[12:11] <bircoe> hamitron, means theres a problem in the script
[12:12] <bircoe> ExeciN, rather
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> hamitron, but most of the time the people I was working for just wanted to simulate nukes.
[12:12] <hamitron> I'd say todays comps are good enough for what we need tbh, I'd rather see them use less energy
[12:12] <hamitron> for the average user I am talking ofc
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> Toyota once bought a supercomputer to work out the optimal colour of their cars though.... That was a nice system.
[12:12] <bircoe> hamitron, I'm encoding some DVD's to h264 at the moment... 90 frames per second is a touch too slow!
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> they were raytracing seriously high resolution images (for the time - c20 years ago)
[12:13] <hamitron> bircoe, faster than you can watch them though ;)
[12:13] <bircoe> that's true but it is 2 pass encoding :)
[12:13] <bircoe> and I
[12:13] <bircoe> ...
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> HP bought one of ours to study the effects of ink jet nozzles spraying millionth of a millimeter sized droplets onto paper...
[12:13] <bircoe> still got 2.5 seasons to encode!
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> so lots and lots of scientific simulations.
[12:14] <hamitron> but realistically bircoe, you'd be better having a machine that uses less energy, and organising the processing to be done in batches when away?
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> yea, run it overnight on economy 7 ...
[12:14] <bircoe> that's true
[12:15] <bircoe> but i need to get the mkv dumps off my HDD's 30gb per seasons is a waste of space!
[12:15] <hamitron> there are ofc some things you need more power on the spot :)
[12:15] <hamitron> design work for example
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> hamitron, back to 3D modelling - I know that the stuff Toyota were doing 20 years ago can now be done on a desktop for exmaple - they had 2 (or 3? I forget) cabinets of transputers - 40 boards, 4 trannys to a board, erm ...
[12:16] <hamitron> for the average user though, a word processor today that needs GBs of memory does nothing much more than one that used 16MB memory
[12:16] <hamitron> :/
[12:17] <Joeboy> I guess probabilistic computing would be worth having heavy parallelism for
[12:17] <Joeboy> like, AI type stuff
[12:17] <Joeboy> natural language etc
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> Joeboy, more a storage issue, but yes.
[12:17] <hamitron> you could make some interesting AI, if each had dedicated cores :)
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> not so much hard maths, but lots of lots of data analysis.
[12:18] <[SLB]> true
[12:18] <hamitron> and each car in a racing game could have its own simulation of physics
[12:18] <hamitron> :-D
[12:18] <hamitron> ok guys, you've won me over
[12:19] <hamitron> we need more power ;D
[12:19] <Joeboy> We could have a decent wordprocessor
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[12:19] <hamitron> I swear word processors get harder to use, as the spec of computers goes up
[12:19] <hamitron> :/
[12:20] <thrawed> hamitron: does your word processor really use that much ram?!
[12:20] <hamitron> thrawed, feels like it
[12:20] <hamitron> haha
[12:20] <thrawed> I suppose if you use openoffice, that really is bloated
[12:20] <hamitron> but I know it uses more than MS Office did in 1990s
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> vi + latex FTW ...
[12:20] <drivelights> ms word 2007 is not that simple to use
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[12:21] <drivelights> word tries to be too smart and screws with what you are trying to do
[12:21] <hamitron> yeh
[12:21] <Maqs> is emacs considered to be a word processor?
[12:21] <thrawed> drivelights: the ribbon interface is much easier for new users to learn, but harder for legacy users
[12:21] <Maqs> *runs* :)
[12:21] <hamitron> no, emacs is a beast ;/
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[12:22] <drivelights> thrawed, agreed.
[12:22] <hamitron> I tried it and gave up
[12:22] <hamitron> :/
[12:22] <thrawed> you just need to remember which tool is associated with each ribbon
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[12:23] <thrawed> and then you're sorted
[12:23] <hamitron> tbh, everything new I seem to hate these days, so will be back to a cli before I know it
[12:23] <hamitron> :/
[12:24] <thrawed> linux desktop needs to move to less dependency on cli
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[12:24] <hamitron> thrawed, I think it needs more choice
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> vi(m) and emacs are text editors - however both have additional features/scripting systems, etc. take your pick, or use nano, joe, etc.
[12:24] <thrawed> nano!
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> I started with a vi-like system 30+ years ago and it sort of stuck.
[12:24] <hamitron> this obsession with linux for the newbs is ruining it imo
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[12:25] <thrawed> hamitron: if you want a lightweight word processor, you could try abiword
[12:25] <Datalink> Linux in the major distros is fairly graphic capable, you can practically forgo a keyboard in Ubuntu for baseline tasks, however there are complex ones
[12:25] <hamitron> abiword is ok :)
[12:26] <hamitron> my biggest issue these days, is web browsers
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> vi + latex lets me edit the text without being concerned about how it will look - latex has a much better idea about that than I do.
[12:26] <thrawed> web browsers will always use lots of ram, it's unavoidable.
[12:26] <hamitron> the web as a whole is getting so fat, it is off putting
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> I did onceuponatime write a new version of troff from scratch though. learned a lot about typesetting from that.
[12:26] <thrawed> hamitron: wait till retina-like displays are the standard
[12:27] <thrawed> the internet looks pretty horrible on a retina macbook
[12:27] <hamitron> web browsers let me read stuff on my comp with 8MB memory!
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> 8MB?
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[12:27] <gordonDrogon> my new camera takes photos that are bigger than that )-:
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[12:27] <hamitron> and tbh, things haven't really looked that much better since the day you needed 64MB
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[12:28] <thrawed> hamitron: back in my day..
[12:28] <thrawed> you're just nostalgia circlejerking
[12:28] <hamitron> 8MB->64MB was a lot bigger jump in functionality, than 256MB->2GB
[12:29] <hamitron> haha
[12:29] <hamitron> maybe
[12:29] <Joeboy> 64K? Luxury.
[12:29] <thrawed> back in my day, our keyboards had cables, and we liked it!
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> yea, nostalgia's great :)
[12:29] <hamitron> and I maybe take what I am saying to extremes :D but there is something to be said for slowing down the hardware upgrade cycle
[12:30] <thrawed> hamitron: you want moore's law to stop?
[12:30] <hamitron> yes
[12:30] <thrawed> you're insane.
[12:30] <Joeboy> I think there's something to be said for staying a couple of years behind the bleeding edge
[12:30] <hamitron> well, for speed I do
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[12:30] <thrawed> Joeboy: for one, everything is 10x cheaper.
[12:30] <Joeboy> but it's still nice that the bleeding edge is there
[12:30] <Joeboy> exactly
[12:30] <gordonDrogon> I actually think my mode of working hasn't changed in 30 years though - then I had "glass teletypes", editor/compiler, and when I moved to a windowing environment (Sun) I just ran up terminals - so multiple terminals - editing & compiling and that's sort of how I still work today!
[12:31] <hamitron> I'd like speed increase to slow down, then for other improvements to speed up (like lower power use)
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> I never really got into using IDEs, etc.
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> I guess the shell is my IDE :)
[12:31] <hamitron> gordonDrogon, same
[12:31] <thrawed> hamitron: if there was no innovation there would be nothing to drive down prices, just look at the old TI calcuators, the design is 20 years old and still being sold for hundreds of dollars
[12:31] <Joeboy> hamitron: lower power use is a massive consideration now, unlike a few years ago when nobody gave a toss
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> I did once work for a company where I had to use MS Dev. Studio. Stuck that out for a year. Never went back!!!
[12:32] <hamitron> Joeboy, and I think people are turning to my way of thinking a little :)
[12:32] <thrawed> gordonDrogon: it's actually quite good.
[12:32] <Joeboy> hamitron: You can run an MSP430 with more power than you had on your C64 or whatever with on ~0W
[12:32] <Joeboy> hamitron: I forget the actuall wattage, but it's essentially nothing
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[12:32] <gordonDrogon> thrawed, I'm sure it is, but I never actually enjoyed it.
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[12:32] <gordonDrogon> right - offline for a while. domestic violence time. (aka. hoovering!)
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[12:33] <hamitron> Joeboy, yeh, I wouldn't go to extremes.... but we can have a very modern looking usable machine running at..... 700mhz for example
[12:33] <hamitron> ;)
[12:33] <Elspuddy> morning
[12:33] <Joeboy> Morning Elspuddy
[12:33] <thrawed> hamitron: define modern looking.
[12:33] <hamitron> a mouse cursor!
[12:34] <hamitron> ;D
[12:34] <hamitron> well, what the r-pi runs anyway
[12:34] <hamitron> a kid at school could do everything they need on a device like the r-pi
[12:34] <thrawed> lxde is most definitely not modern looking
[12:34] <hamitron> if the software was there
[12:35] <hamitron> it is
[12:35] <hamitron> ;/
[12:35] <hamitron> more modern than windows 3.1 anyway
[12:35] <thrawed> What, because it has a gradient on the taskbar?!
[12:35] <hamitron> it has a menu that lets you start apps
[12:35] <hamitron> with a mouse
[12:35] <thrawed> hamitron: You've got to be kidding, windows 3.1 isn't modern
[12:36] <hamitron> no it isn't
[12:36] <hamitron> but I'm just pointing out, computers haven't moved on in ease of use much, since windows 95
[12:36] <Joeboy> It's arguably the last big change to the desktop paradigm
[12:36] <hamitron> exactly
[12:37] <Joeboy> although a lot has changed incrementally since
[12:37] <thrawed> personal computer modern ??? developed within the past 4 years.
[12:37] <hamitron> thrawed, unless you redefine "modern"
[12:37] <hamitron> ;)
[12:37] <Joeboy> Phones, then?
[12:38] <Joeboy> Has anything changed on the pc in the last 4 yers?
[12:38] <Joeboy> years
[12:38] <thrawed> Joeboy: Of course
[12:38] <hamitron> phones are even worse than desktop PC
[12:38] <thrawed> Joeboy: We've moved towards cloud computing for one.
[12:38] <Joeboy> thrawed: You mean we invented the internet again?
[12:38] <thrawed> :|
[12:39] <hamitron> yeh, what does this cloud add to the user experience?
[12:39] <hamitron> ;)
[12:39] <hamitron> google docs is slower and has less options than Office 95
[12:39] <thrawed> of course it's slower... it's running in a web browser.
[12:40] <hamitron> so why is it better or "moving forward"?
[12:40] <thrawed> cloud doesn't mean it has to run in a web browser
[12:40] <thrawed> it means portablilty, anything available anywhere.
[12:40] <Dorward> hamitron: I can edit a document with three other people in different parts of the country at the same time, and then all the changes appear on my phone automatically.
[12:40] <Joeboy> Dorward: Like that thing Douglas Englebart demoed in the 60s?
[12:41] * Joeboy trolls a bit
[12:41] <hamitron> :))
[12:41] <hamitron> there are ofc small benefits
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[12:41] <Dorward> Joeboy: Available to people beats old demos.
[12:42] <hamitron> but the average person doesn't modify a document with others all at the same time
[12:42] <hamitron> that is a geeks thing
[12:42] <hamitron> ;)
[12:42] <hamitron> and yeh, there maybe are cases it is better
[12:42] <hamitron> but for most uses, I bet Word 95 gives a better tool to the end user
[12:43] <thrawed> hamitron: No it's not a geek thing, many people would love to have that sort of collaborative functionality
[12:43] <hamitron> so have that option available for them I say
[12:44] <hamitron> but don't make it a requirement for a user not wanting to be cut off from the world
[12:44] <thrawed> hamitron: Imagine for example, you're a script writer. And you want someones input from across the country, you could email it to him sure, but to be able to see live annotations and cross-feedback
[12:44] <thrawed> It's incredibly useful
[12:44] <hamitron> I already admitted there are uses for it
[12:44] <hamitron> ;/
[12:45] <Joeboy> I don't think anybody was arguing that there aren't new cool apps
[12:45] <hamitron> but at the same time, creating web content requiring users to have all modern browsers is not cool
[12:45] <Joeboy> just that the desktop paradigm is pretty much intact since windows 3.1
[12:45] <thrawed> hamitron: No, you sure.. "for most uses, I bet Word 95 gives a better tool to the end user". Which I strongly disagree with
[12:45] <thrawed> *said
[12:45] <hamitron> and I stand by that statement
[12:45] <hamitron> ;/
[12:46] <hamitron> most != all
[12:46] <thrawed> I just gave you a perfect example of how it's not the better tool. Just because you don't need cloud computing, doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't,
[12:46] <thrawed> hamitron: you != most.
[12:47] <hamitron> most = ?
[12:47] <hamitron> that is the key... do most need it?
[12:47] <Joeboy> Judging by my office, people don't generally use anything beyond really basic wordprocessing functionality
[12:47] <hamitron> same
[12:47] <Joeboy> and geeks use vim
[12:47] <japro> sure most need it... how else can you show of your l33t word art skills
[12:48] <thrawed> need? We don't "need" a lot of things. But most would "want" it.
[12:48] <japro> and comic sans usage
[12:48] <japro> mmoword
[12:48] <Joeboy> thrawed: I'm sure they'd want the thing with the big list of features, but they find it harder to use
[12:48] <Joeboy> and don't use the features
[12:48] <thrawed> google docs isn't harder to use.
[12:48] <hamitron> thrawed, I'm just putting forward the suggestion "most" would choose a fast Word processor with more features, than one that offers multi-user editing
[12:49] <thrawed> hamitron: so you're infering multi-user editing = slow.
[12:49] <japro> or in other words "most fall for marketing and are being sold features they don't need or don't even know how to use"
[12:49] <hamitron> no, I'm saying google docs is slow
[12:49] <thrawed> google docs is constrained by the browser.
[12:49] <Joeboy> I think recent versions of word are harder to use than Word 95
[12:49] <hamitron> Joeboy, same
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[12:50] <hamitron> heck, I like google docs for some uses myself ;D
[12:50] <thrawed> Joeboy: the ribbon interface is much easier for new users to learn, but harder for legacy users
[12:50] <hamitron> but change is not always for the better
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[12:51] <hamitron> like computers these days have more processing power, but use more energy when doing so
[12:51] <hamitron> that is starting to reduce thankfully
[12:51] <thrawed> hamitron: energy consumption hasn't really been a concern until rather recently.
[12:51] <Joeboy> hamitron: They don't though
[12:52] <hamitron> they don't?
[12:52] <Joeboy> hamitron: certainly not comparing like for like computing ability
[12:52] <hamitron> I'm comparing a modern cpu for 1995, to one from this year
[12:53] <thrawed> as we demand for mobility has grown, so has the demand for power efficiency
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[12:53] <hamitron> (damn 1995 was a good year) ;D
[12:54] <bircoe> that was around the time i got my first 3D GPU!
[12:54] <hamitron> voodoo?
[12:54] <bircoe> yup
[12:54] <hamitron> :D
[12:54] <bircoe> Orchid Righteous 3D
[12:54] <bircoe> a whole 4mb of RAM
[12:54] <hamitron> yeh :)
[12:54] <hamitron> my friend had one
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[12:55] <hamitron> then I blasted it with 2 x voodoo2 sli
[12:55] <hamitron> ;)
[12:55] <bircoe> 3D only... still needed a 2D card with a loop cable
[12:55] <[SLB]> i still have a voodoo dragon 2
[12:55] <bircoe> and you heard a relay click when the GPU took over!
[12:55] <hamitron> I actually have a couple of voodoo cards I've aquired
[12:55] <[SLB]> yup with the loop cable to my ati 1mb :D
[12:55] <bircoe> mine was an s# Trio... upgraded to 2mb!
[12:56] <bircoe> S3
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[12:56] <bircoe> from memory we paid $50 for a pair of 512k chips to double it's memory!
[12:56] <hamitron> bircoe, showoff ;)
[12:56] <bircoe> then we coudl run Windows in 24bit colour!!!
[12:56] <bircoe> haha
[12:56] <Joeboy> I think this channel is comfirming my suspicion that the pi appeals more to the very old like me than to the young
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[12:57] <hamitron> I could do 24 bit anyway, my monitor sucked for resolution :/
[12:57] <bircoe> very old?
[12:57] <Joeboy> bircoe: 41
[12:57] <bircoe> I'm 31
[12:57] <hamitron> hey hey Joeboy
[12:57] <Joeboy> incredibly old
[12:57] * hamitron is young then
[12:57] <hamitron> ;)
[12:57] <hamitron> 29 \o/
[12:57] <bircoe> you are :P
[12:57] <bircoe> old that is
[12:57] <hamitron> noes :/
[12:57] <Joeboy> I'm only 0x29 though
[12:58] <hamitron> haha
[12:58] <bircoe> that's too geeky...
[12:58] <thrawed> Joeboy: the young needs sexy, and the pi isn't sexy
[12:58] <[SLB]> in medio stat virtus :3 i'm 30 \o/
[12:58] <hamitron> well, I like my women small too....
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[12:58] <hamitron> ;/
[12:58] <bircoe> back to TV
[12:59] <hamitron> but yeh
[12:59] <hamitron> I think I could use the r-pi for all my computing needs, most of the time
[12:59] <hamitron> then just have 1 fast machine for dev work
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[13:00] <thrawed> hamitron: you're contradicting yourself
[13:00] <hamitron> yes
[13:00] <hamitron> ;/
[13:00] <thrawed> hamitron: don't say all your computing needs if you don't mean all your computing needs
[13:00] <hamitron> well, all my computing needs at most locations
[13:00] <martk100> I have been asked to setup a pi media centre. How do I stream media from a windows laptop to a tv via the pi using xbmc?
[13:00] <thrawed> martk100: smb
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[13:01] <martk100> thrawed: It has to be samba then. No chance of nfs on windows.
[13:01] <thrawed> martk100: set up a public shared folder on your windows laptop
[13:01] <hamitron> stumbling block for general use is the web browser
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[13:02] <thrawed> martk100: windows 7 has optional support for NFS
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[13:04] <martk100> thrawed: Interesting. THanks very much.
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[13:05] <thrawed> martk100: Control Panel > Programs and Features >Turn Windows features on or off > Services for NFS
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[13:11] <GGon> openelec is awesome
[13:12] <GGon> best of the media player rpi stuff i've tried so far
[13:14] <thrawed> GGon: tried any of the raspbian + xbmc packages?
[13:17] <GGon> thrawed: tried raspbmc
[13:17] <GGon> and xbian
[13:17] <GGon> both unstable
[13:17] <thrawed> fair enough
[13:18] <hamitron> slackware 14 is out
[13:18] <hamitron> :)
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[13:28] <thrawed> hamitron: people still use slackware?
[13:28] <hamitron> ofc
[13:28] <des2> slav\ckware Arm apparently yes
[13:28] <hamitron> very stable on the r-pi too
[13:29] <des2> But does it have hardware float ?
[13:32] <Tachyon`> hi, is the power connector mini usb or micro usb?
[13:32] <Tachyon`> just ordered one but am looking for a reasonable psu on amazon...
[13:32] <Tachyon`> IE: over an amp
[13:32] <des2> Micro
[13:33] <Tachyon`> bah, I loathe that connector, it's too easy to damage
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[13:34] <des2> Micro USB power supply ??? make sure you use a good quality one, capable of providing at least 700mA at 5V. Do not attempt to power your Raspberry Pi by plugging it into a computer or a hub.
[13:34] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/quick-start-guide
[13:34] <Tachyon`> I probably could get away with plugging it into the pandora
[13:34] <Tachyon`> I know that USB port can supply 5v/1.5A
[13:35] <Tachyon`> btu aye, ordered a 1A one, should be enough, particularly as I bought a powered hub withthe pi
[13:35] <des2> One caveat, make sure the power is > 4.9 volts.
[13:35] <Tachyon`> well I'd expect it to be 5
[13:35] <des2> As the Pi seems a bit sensitive to voltage.
[13:35] <Tachyon`> odd, given it's dropped to 3.3 by a regulator and 1.8 by anotehr I think
[13:36] <des2> The USB spec allows down to 4.75 volts but this apparently displeases the Pi
[13:36] <Tachyon`> you'd think anything over about 4 would be fine
[13:36] <GGon> ugh
[13:36] <Tachyon`> oh aye, USB power
[13:36] <GGon> i seriously just need more power
[13:36] <GGon> this sucks
[13:36] <GGon> rpi should have used a barrel connector
[13:36] <GGon> instead of this crap microusb method for power
[13:36] <des2> Wll then all those phone charges wouldn't work.
[13:36] <Tachyon`> they shuold have added a 2 pin header at least
[13:36] <Tachyon`> so you could supply your own power
[13:37] <GGon> des2: screw those phone charges ;)
[13:37] <Tachyon`> not that it's hard to add one but still
[13:37] <GGon> heh.. those phone chargers don't work anyways :-P
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[13:37] <Tachyon`> CPC claim to have them in stock, I wonder how long it'll really take
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[13:44] <GGon> overclocking is eating too much juice
[13:45] <GGon> i need a damn adapter that can handle it :-/
[13:46] <thrawed> GGon: it uses microusb because that is the mobile phone charger standard in the EU, so any body should have a working charger lying about.
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[13:46] <thrawed> GGon: If they used a barrel connector, then they'd have to ship with a power supply and raise the price aswell to compensate
[13:47] <Tachyon`> mini usb I'd have preferred
[13:47] <Tachyon`> more robust connector
[13:47] <thrawed> Tachyon`: no
[13:47] <Tachyon`> and still loads of chargers etc.
[13:47] <thrawed> Tachyon`: micro usb is much more robust
[13:47] <Tachyon`> that hasn't been my experience of it
[13:48] <GGon> thrawed: i'd be ok with paying hte extra $5
[13:48] <GGon> since it seems you have to pay $20 for a higher quality higher amp usb one anyways :-P
[13:48] <Tachyon`> hopefully I'll be able to power it from the hub ayway
[13:48] <thrawed> Tachyon`: mini usb is designed for 5000 insertion/removal cycles while microusb is rated for 10000
[13:48] <Tachyon`> if this CPC pi as a new board
[13:48] <Tachyon`> ah, wasn't aware of that
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[13:49] <Tachyon`> I suppose I can power the old one from a hub if I link out the polyfuses
[13:49] <thrawed> Tachyon`: and that's because the spring is included in the cable and not the computer port, so if the spring breaks you only have to replace the cable instead of the whole computer
[13:50] * Tachyon` peers at his phone with a pocket microscope
[13:50] <[SLB]> thrawed, were you playing with atouk piwww thingie?
[13:51] <thrawed> [SLB]: only when seeing what your problem was, why?
[13:51] <scummos> gordonDrogon: SPI? :))
[13:51] <Tachyon`> hrm, wish I hadn't now, all the rubbish it's picked up in my pocket
[13:51] <Tachyon`> but aye, I see
[13:52] <[SLB]> ah okies, because i made it work now, for the gpio leds i had to add sudo to each reading, and for the gauge i had to add ./ to phpChart's config, now it works regardless the path i extract the folder into eheh
[13:52] <Tachyon`> one of those things you should remain ignorant of, like what lurks beneath the keys in your keyboard
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[13:53] <thrawed> Tachyon`: cherry switches
[13:53] <Tachyon`> lol
[13:53] <Tachyon`> I really need another model M
[13:53] <Tachyon`> I miss that
[13:54] <thrawed> or a buckling spring if you're using a model m
[13:54] <thrawed> Tachyon`: http://cdn.overclock.net/f/f3/f3ac7d6a_834ee78eb1666da184c2b151aad52401.gif
[13:54] <Tachyon`> aye, I'm aware of the model m
[13:55] <Tachyon`> my last one died unfortunately
[13:55] <Tachyon`> although I still have the PS/2 to USB converter I got for it so could find another
[13:55] <thrawed> Tachyon`: get a das
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[13:56] <thrawed> Tachyon`: http://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-ultimate/
[13:57] <Tachyon`> hrm, suppose it'd solve the where to get a dvorak keybaord problem
[13:58] <Tachyon`> but no
[13:58] <Tachyon`> I want an original PS/2 model M
[13:58] <thrawed> Tachyon`: they even sell earplugs for the people around you
[13:58] <Tachyon`> lol
[13:59] <GGon> Tachyon`: i have one of those
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[13:59] <GGon> with the clicky keys
[13:59] <GGon> the old school mechanical keys :)
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[14:00] <GGon> if you're ever getting robbed you can use it as a weapon
[14:00] <GGon> or a shield from bullets
[14:00] <thrawed> I like chiclet nowadays
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[14:10] <gordonDrogon> scummos, I'm just an enthusiast like you - I don't write the kernel drivers or anything, howerver I'll now spend 5 minutes looking at SPI.
[14:16] <scummos> gordonDrogon: sure, but you got a loot more experience than me, plus it would be great to have a second opinion on this
[14:16] <scummos> (a first-hand opinion which does not relate to my possibly faulty observations)
[14:16] <scummos> thanks! :)
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[14:26] <gordonDrogon> scummos, Hm. Well I'm seeing some intersting stuff - going to write a little program to dump stuff in a loop, to see if it makes sense...
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[14:32] <gordonDrogon> ok, so I am seeing a gap between bytes.
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[14:33] <gordonDrogon> I'm also seein what looks like only 7 clock pulses on the first byte too, but it could be the way my scope's triggering.
[14:34] <scummos> I think I had 8 for every byte, gordonDrogon
[14:34] <scummos> but I'm glad you have that gap between the bytes too, so I'm not doing something wrong...
[14:35] <scummos> now the question is whether one can get rid of it ;P
[14:35] <scummos> is the firmware open source?
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> the gap is approx 1.5uS.
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> yes, it's open source - it's part of the Linux kernel.
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> my suspicion is that this is all to do with running it in 8-bit or 16-bit modes.
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[14:36] <gordonDrogon> or it could be that the driver gets an interrupt between bytes and can't load up the next byte fast enough.
[14:39] <gordonDrogon> a quick look at the source suggests it's supposed to be using the FIFO, so it can load the FIFO up with at least 16 bytes at a time
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> so it should let the hardware handle multi-byte transactions back to back.
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> bootc, ping ?
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[14:46] <gordonDrogon> of-course you need to work out if the gap actually matters before delving into "fixing" it.
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> it doesn't appear to matter for setting the ADC, nor reading the DAC on the Gertboard, noe reading/writing the control registers on the GPIO expander on (e.g.) the PiFace.
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[14:48] <GGon> anybody know of a good known working usb adapter to use for this rpi?
[14:48] <scummos> gordonDrogon: yeah, I also looked at the driver, it looked like at least a few bytes at once were sent to the device without software-interruptible gaps in between.
[14:48] <trevorman> GGon: you need a powered USB hub.
[14:48] <GGon> trevorman: i mean to power the pi itself
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> scummos, so it might actually be the hardware that's at issue here - and that might not be fixable..
[14:49] <GGon> trevorman: i'm actually going to put an ir port on it
[14:49] <GGon> and a low powered wifi adapter
[14:49] <scummos> gordonDrogon: I'm pretty sure it matters for the ADC... I can't really explain it, but the data sent by it looks weird, it has those gaps too, and the bits with the gaps seem to go missing sometimes
[14:49] <GGon> the ir port i'm going to put on the gpio
[14:49] <scummos> gordonDrogon: hm yeah, I was fearing that :(
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> scummos, meaning I'd run some more experiemnts with the ADC chip your using ...
[14:50] <GGon> trevorman: i'm trying to avoid using the powered usb hub :-P
[14:50] <scummos> gordonDrogon: sorry, what do you mean?
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> scummos, the gertboard test I did seems ok - I sent a sine wave down the DAC, looped it with a wire to a ADC input, sent that back out the 2nd DAC port, and stuck a scope on the 2nd DAC output...
[14:51] <wietze> has anyone succeeded yet in using the dsi connectors with a lcd/tft panel?
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[14:52] <trevorman> GGon: well you'll need to mod the RPi PCB then if so as you can't get more than ~100mA out of each port on an r1 and ~200mA on a single port on the r2.
[14:53] <trevorman> wietze: no. you need broadcom and/or raspberry pi foundation to supply drivers and information on that
[14:53] <wietze> ah it requires the binary blob to use the it
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[14:53] <wietze> trevorman: yeah; I just read that; which is a shame :)
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[14:55] <Jk-> hi
[14:56] <trevorman> Hello
[14:56] <Jk-> Is it safe to use 5.0v 1200mA power for raspbpi model b?
[14:56] <trevorman> yes
[14:56] <Jk-> ok, thanks :)
[14:56] <trevorman> it will only draw as much current as it needs
[14:56] <scummos> gordonDrogon: maybe you have a more standard ADC... mine says "SPI-compatible protocol" or so
[14:57] <trevorman> voltage is the important one however but you said 5V so thats fine
[14:57] <scummos> gordonDrogon: the timing diagram is on page 10: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/ads8320.pdf
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> scummos, I have whatever is on the gertboard. hang on I'll look them up.
[14:57] <scummos> it does not seem to expect pauses in the clock
[14:57] <Jk-> trevorman ok, is 5.7V too much for rasp?
[14:58] <trevorman> its a bit high
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[14:59] <gordonDrogon> scummos, I suspect having the clock "stretched" shouldn't make any difference - afterall ,they're designed to work with different clock frequencies.
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> scummos, gertboard has: MCP3002 dual-channel A to D convertor and MCP4802 dual-channel D to A convertor
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> scummos, it may not 'expect' them, but I'm not sure what it can do if it doesn't get them - I suspect it uses the actual SPI clock to do the conversion and bit gathering.
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> scummos, Tconv is just "16 clock cycles".
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> scummos, there is no mention of an actual time.
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> however I'm off to my kitchen again - go a couple of dozen scones to make now...
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> laters..
[15:02] <GGon> WTF
[15:02] <GGon> Items: $9.81
[15:02] <GGon> Shipping & Handling:$8.06
[15:03] <GGon> 90% in shipping something that weigs 4oz?
[15:03] <GGon> THAT'S CRAZY
[15:03] * GGon cancels order
[15:03] <scummos> gordonDrogon: hm right... but the data it sends looks okay at the oscilloscope, except from the "doubled" bits -- and what arrives at the pi is clearly wrong
[15:04] <scummos> gordonDrogon: it seems to be missing bits or so... two of the three most significant bits are like 0, 1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 0, 1, 0, 1, 2, 3 if you increase the voltage slowly
[15:04] <scummos> which is totally weird
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[15:04] <scummos> gordonDrogon: see you later :)
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[15:10] <bootc> gordonDrogon: pong
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[15:14] <scummos> bootc: he's gone for now, but I assume he wanted to ask you about SPI multi-byte transfer which we were discussing
[15:15] <bootc> ah
[15:15] <scummos> the clock is shut off for a short time between two bytes being transferred
[15:15] <bootc> fair enough
[15:15] <scummos> I was wondering whether that can be prevented
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[15:15] <bootc> all my driver does is fill (and keep filled) the fifo from the given transfer buffer
[15:16] <scummos> yep, we've read it... it tranfers more than one byte at once to the hardware, doesn't it?
[15:16] <bootc> only way to keep data flowing is to use as large buffers as possible
[15:16] <scummos> bootc: no, even if you pass one buffer with 4 bytes, there will be a short pause after each byte
[15:16] <bootc> yes, the FIFO is 16 bytes (IIRC) so it pushes 16 into it to start with, then keeps it topped up when it receives an interrupt
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[15:17] <bootc> scummos: yes, exactly - that's the hardware sadly
[15:17] <scummos> oh :(
[15:17] <scummos> so that can't be helped, at all?
[15:17] <scummos> not even by changing the firmware?
[15:17] <bootc> not that I can tell, no
[15:17] <scummos> okay
[15:17] <bootc> no firmware for the SPI unit
[15:17] <scummos> thanks for the info!
[15:17] <scummos> I'm probably out of luck with my client then
[15:18] <bootc> unless there is something particularly slow about how data is transferred from the ARM to the SPI unit, which is possible
[15:18] <scummos> hmm
[15:18] <bootc> DMA may help, but there's no point writing all that code for the proprietary DMA API - I may write a DMA version once the DMA engine code is in mainline though
[15:19] <scummos> ok, cool
[15:19] <scummos> so, my only chance would be bit-banging SPI I suppose
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[15:19] <scummos> but that will never get to 1.6Mb/s probably
[15:20] <bootc> yeah, though that for sure won't be as fast as using the hardware unit
[15:20] <scummos> yes
[15:20] <scummos> ok, I'll do some further investigation. good to know that the pause between bytes is caused by hardware, anyways. thank you!
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[15:21] <codingrobot> anyone using the composite output on the RPi with an old CRT tv set and can recommend optimal settings for overscan and color quality?
[15:21] <bootc> scummos: unless my code is somehow not managing to fill the FIFO fast enough, it's the hardware
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[15:25] <scummos> bootc: that sounds unlikely to me, since the transfer rate is unrelated to the SPI bus frequency, isn't it? so the problem would be worse for higher SPI bus frequencies; but it isn't
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[15:27] <VandroiyIII> Are there any general bits of help for failing to compile software on Raspbian?
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[15:28] <VandroiyIII> Or compiling *for* Raspbian for that matter, I also tried cross-compilation, and just run into lots of problems I don't understand
[15:29] <bootc> scummos: indeed
[15:29] <Joeboy> VandroiyIII: I think you might need to ask something more specific
[15:30] <bootc> scummos: using the 32-bit mode may help if we are sending/receiving multiples of 4 bytes, but I doubt it
[15:30] <VandroiyIII> Well, I try to compile a program that uses Python and some C (or maybe C++?) binaries. On compilation, I get errors like "g++: unrecognized option '-native'"
[15:30] <bootc> the DMA mode may be useful for other things in future so I'll probably end up writing that code anyway (once the DMA engine code is in mainline)
[15:30] <VandroiyIII> So, that looks like g++ options differ on Raspbian somehow?
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[15:32] <VandroiyIII> Cross-compiling from Ubuntu gives problems in some header, yielding "long_bit definition appears wrong for platform" -- Google quickly tells it has to do with Python and 32b vs 64b?
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[15:35] <scummos> bootc: okay -- I'll stay on track about that :)
[15:37] <plugwash> "I get errors like "g++: unrecognized option '-native'" " <-- usuaully this means that the program in question has a fucked up build system that is automatically passing inappropriate flags
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[15:39] <plugwash> though gcc doesn't seem to recognise -native on my x64 system either.
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[15:39] <aaa801> Anyone attempted to get a n64 controller working with pi
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[15:53] <VandroiyIII> plugwash: You may be right... the makefile looks like it is including some perverse set of options that has a comment concerning obscure Sun compiler systems in it
[15:54] <VandroiyIII> Looks like some boolean operation switching that on and off is inverted *inverts it and tries again*
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[15:57] <Jk-> does raspbmc require internet connection when booting first time?
[15:59] <[SkG]> yes
[16:00] <[SkG]> needs internet for downloading components and installing them
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[16:09] <gordonDrogon> hi. Back. 2 batches of scones made and QA tested...
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> bootc, just catching up - but I'm suspecting that it's the hardware - there seems to be a pause of ~1.5uS between bytes which causes a bit of "clock stretching" effect.
[16:10] <aaa801> gordonDrogon: Let me test those again
[16:10] * aaa801 noms them all
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, they're for some churchy thing my wifes going to tonight, so if you want some, go to her church :)
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[16:14] <aaa801> aww
[16:14] <aaa801> O_O a magpie just landed on my window
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[16:17] <gordonDrogon> the magazine or the bird ;-)
[16:18] <aaa801> the bird
[16:19] <aaa801> i got a n64 with 6 games today for ?15
[16:19] <aaa801> not bad ;)
[16:19] <thrawed> depends on the games
[16:19] <aaa801> it had doom
[16:19] <thrawed> aaa801: did it have superman64?
[16:19] <aaa801> i wish
[16:20] <thrawed> no you don't
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[16:20] <aaa801> lol
[16:20] <aaa801> i recon i can get the controller working on the pi
[16:20] <thrawed> it's the most infuriating game ever made.
[16:20] <aaa801> 1 line data poll <3
[16:20] <thrawed> aaa801: n64 controllers don't age well
[16:21] <thrawed> aaa801: the directional sticks get messed up
[16:21] <aaa801> this one seems ok
[16:21] <thrawed> and powdery
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[17:23] <zleap> hi
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[17:47] <phasip> Hey, I saw this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=8591&start=105 and I am wondering if I can do the same but connect the ground and 5v from another 5v ac/dc adapter (not the one powering the pi)
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[17:50] <InControl> just use a powerd hub then
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[17:51] <phasip> I have an unpowered hub and a 5v adapter lying around. If it is possible id rather use them
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[18:07] <Jk-> Is there any distros that I can boot without internet connection?
[18:07] <phasip> Which one can't you boot without internet connection?
[18:07] <phasip> or do you mean install?
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[18:10] <Jk-> I dont've internet connection in raspb atm.. I testet raspbmc but it seems that it need internet connection to install some additional files to run.. Is there anyway I can install it to sd-card in w7?
[18:10] <Jk-> sry for my eng language :p
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[18:14] <phasip> Jk-: I'm sorry, i havent used raspbmc, but usually you can download installation files manually, place them on the sd card and then just install them
[18:19] <thrawed> Jk-: raspbmc is mostly unique in that way
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[18:19] <thrawed> Jk-: try openelec
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[18:23] <Jk-> thrawed sounds good, I'll try that
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[18:58] <Gorroth> skipping maker faire today
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[19:24] <gordonDrogon> Gah. Just been fixing wifeys sewing machine. I reckon they were designed by mad evil engineering geniuses.
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> now for that steak sandwich I was promised earler...
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[19:31] <Gorroth> once i have put raspbian on an SD card, is there anything on the SD card that will say it has raspbian on it?
[19:31] <Gorroth> just trying to make sure i was successful at burning the image, but i don't have the rpi next oe me now
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[19:35] <gordonDrogon> what did you use to copy the image over? but in-general if you pop the SD out then back in again, the PC/Max/Linux box will recognise it and you can see it as a filesystem.
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[19:35] <gordonDrogon> or at least the first partition anyway.
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[19:39] * VandroiyIII sighs... now it ran out of swap compiling
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[19:39] <VandroiyIII> If it has swap... does Wheezy have a swap file by default?
[19:39] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:39] <VandroiyIII> How much, any way to increase its size?
[19:40] <Gorroth> gordonDrogon: i used 'dd' after i had previously wiped out the partition table using cfdisk. so, i'm 99% sure it's alright, but i just want to make sure it's the image i expect it to be :) just any file on the FS that would say "raspbian" or anything?
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> VandroiyIII, swapon -s will list it.
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> Gorroth, just pop it out then back in-again and look atthe first partition - you'll see kernel.img and some others.
[19:41] <Gorroth> yes, that is fine. just checking the install itself too; i'm a little paranoid
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[19:41] <Gorroth> based on other experiences
[19:41] <Gorroth> anyway, i did find a file
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[19:41] <Gorroth> /etc/apt/sources.list referenced raspbian.org
[19:41] <Gorroth> so i'm all good
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> VandroiyIII, cd /var ; sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=swap2 bs=1M count=512 ; sudo swapon /var/swap2
[19:42] <VandroiyIII> gordonDrogon: Cool, thank you! *tries that*
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> VandroiyIII, that won't be 'stick' over reboots, but it might help for now - however what are you comiling that really really needs that much RAM/Swap?
[19:43] <VandroiyIII> compiling
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> Gorroth, that would be from the 2nd partition.
[19:43] <VandroiyIII> I can't get it to cross compile at all
[19:44] <VandroiyIII> So I'm trying to compile on the RPi, and it *almost* made it...!
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> VandroiyIII, I compield a kernel, apache/php/mysql without it swapping.
[19:45] <VandroiyIII> dunno what these people did to make it crash... but the internal compiler error seemed typical for out of memory, so I should try this
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> it did take about 10 hours to compile all those though - even without swapping.
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[19:51] <VandroiyIII> gordonDrogon: "read swap header failed: invalid argument" <-- ?
[19:51] <VandroiyIII> on sudo swapon /var/swap2
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[19:55] <VandroiyIII> gordonDrogon: Random googling yielded "sudo mkswap /var/swap2" as a possible addition, trying that
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[19:58] <gordonDrogon> VandroiyIII, sorry - forgot one command: sudo mkswap /var/swap2
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[20:03] <Gorroth> gordonDrogon: yes, i know that it's from the 2nd partition
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[20:09] <VandroiyIII> gordonDrogon: it seems Crypto++ is the one that causes the crash, but only when compiled with swig
[20:09] <VandroiyIII> But let's see whether the additional swap does the job~
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea what crypto++ nor swig are.
[20:10] <VandroiyIII> I just noticed before that you were asking what I was compiling
[20:10] <VandroiyIII> So... yea. I don't really know much about them either, but seems I need 'em
[20:10] <Joeboy> swig's a magic thing for creating python bindings
[20:11] <VandroiyIII> Yea, and these Python bindings are what causes my cross-compiler to throw errors and stop, so I must compile them directly on the Pi :/
[20:11] <Joeboy> bummer
[20:12] <VandroiyIII> Let's just hope it makes it
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[20:12] <VandroiyIII> If not... I dunno, I'd have to switch hardware, these cross-compilers are near-impossible to use :( Would suck to dump the Pi again right after getting it, it seems to *run* things just fine
[20:13] <Gorroth> swig does more than just python bindings
[20:13] <Gorroth> i understand it's for creating a generic interface for seveeral languages
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[20:15] <hyde> I think swig is older than python... I seem to recall, it may have been for doing TCL/TK bindings originally
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> surprised it's such a burden. One thing to check, what memory split are you using?
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> ie. 128MB/192/244?
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[20:19] <VandroiyIII> Uhm. Actually, I don't know. I figured out I had a memory problem just a moment ago, been having entirely different compiler issues before (seems the makefile was doing insane things when run on a Pi)
[20:19] <VandroiyIII> gordonDrogon: Thanks for reminding me, I'll max out system memory if this round fails
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[20:24] <VandroiyIII> Does anyone know what the default split for Wheezy is? Pretty nonresponsive right now, I'd only stop the compile if the default has too much graphics memory
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> if you: cd /boot ; md5sum *start*
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[20:26] <SIFTU> or free -m
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> then you'll see which ones you have enabled. (just match the checksums to start.elf)
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[20:31] <VandroiyIII> total 184. Hmm, it uses 120 of swap already, no wonder it crashed. I guess that compiler does eat a lot of ram.
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> sounds like you may have the 192 memory split.
[20:32] <SIFTU> yeah
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> it surprises me - mysql is c++ and it didn't need swap to compile.
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[20:33] <Datalink> what are you running that's causing your system to go into swap?
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[20:34] <VandroiyIII> Datalink: g++ with strange libraries involved... mh.
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[20:35] * VandroiyIII stops it and tries to free up as much ram as possible
[20:35] <SIFTU> VandroiyIII: change your split for starters
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[20:37] <VandroiyIII> Yes, that should really help. 64 MB video is total overkill
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[20:38] <gordonDrogon> sudo cp /boot/arm224_start.elf /boot/start.elf
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[20:38] <Gorroth> gcc? yeah, uses a lot of ram
[20:38] <trevorman> there is the 240:16 split as well
[20:38] <Gorroth> i'm hoping i can start using it on the rpi
[20:38] <Gorroth> isn't there a way to run gcc and have it use less ram?
[20:39] <Gorroth> even though compilation will take longer
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[20:39] <c_k> ensable a large swap file?
[20:40] <trevorman> don't enable optimisations. try to avoid code that has massive structures as it can cause gcc to generate a huge tree in memory
[20:40] <axion> yeah use gcc's gc
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[20:40] <axion> gc enabled it uses much less ram, but much slower to finish
[20:41] <axion> my advice, use a swap and let it run...prob be just as long
[20:41] <axion> been there :)
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[20:42] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, ugh. I copy & pasted the wrong file - yes, go for the 240!
[20:42] <SIFTU> probably put swap on a HDD too
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[20:43] <gordonDrogon> why is my pi running timidity..
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[20:43] <Gorroth> no, not that kind of optimization. you shouldn't have to change your code. i think there are switches to help gcc, by default, use less memory
[20:43] <Gorroth> but a large swap would laso be good
[20:44] <[SLB]> atouk, you around?
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[20:44] <trevorman> what axion said you mean?
[20:44] * VandroiyIII for now set swap to 240/16, removed anything running in the background and upped swap to 600... lt's see whether that does the job
[20:45] <SIFTU> VandroiyIII: you rebooted too right?
[20:45] <VandroiyIII> If not, it'll get annoying because that makefile isn't made by me and complicated enough as is
[20:45] <axion> i compile webkitgtk and a bunch of stuff that takes days...i always keep a 4gb swap and havent had problems
[20:45] <Gorroth> i guess; didn't read what he said until you said something
[20:45] <VandroiyIII> STFU: yes, the change in split asked me to. free -m showed total 240
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[20:45] <axion> using 128/128 + 4gb usb stick
[20:46] <SIFTU> VandroiyIII: lol ok, but thats isnt my nick BTW
[20:46] <VandroiyIII> eeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[20:46] <VandroiyIII> lol
[20:46] <VandroiyIII> Mental autocomplete can create issues at times *ducks* xD
[20:47] * VandroiyIII cleans his glasses and hides for a bit
[20:47] <SIFTU> VandroiyIII: np, apparently people think that when they see my name
[20:49] <Gorroth> ggc-min-expand and ggc-min-heapsize are what i think you'd want to use to reduce gcc's memory overhead
[20:49] <atouk> slb, yup
[20:49] <Gorroth> wonder how much extra time it'll take to do a compile with them set to 0
[20:49] <[SLB]> i was playing with your piwww thingy
[20:50] <[SLB]> in the line where you do cat /boot/config.txt | grep arm_freq it's better to grep ^arm_freq=
[20:50] <atouk> i made a few changes. there's a cew other mistakes in there
[20:50] <[SLB]> i had other arm_freq lines, commented and also arm_freq_min, and was breaking the script
[20:50] <[SLB]> ah eheh
[20:50] <atouk> 1 sec
[20:51] <misterhat> hello
[20:51] <[SLB]> yes
[20:51] <[SLB]> hi
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[20:53] <[SLB]> also i had to add sudo for each gpio reading
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> sudo to read the gpio? with the gpio command?
[20:54] <[SLB]> from the user www-data
[20:54] <[SLB]> yes not sure, it wasn't working otherwise
[20:54] <[SLB]> but from my user it works without
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> shouldn't need to if it was installed ok.
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> ah, are you reading from the /sys/class interface?
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> or just gpio read 1
[20:55] <[SLB]> gpio read pin yes
[20:55] <atouk> www.atouk.com/piwww.rar
[20:55] <[SLB]> thanks atouk
[20:55] <atouk> oops zip
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], that ought to work - check ls -l /usr/local/bin/gpio
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[20:55] <[SLB]> this is the present state of my edit http://pi.slblabs.com/pistats/
[20:55] <[SLB]> no probl zip is oks too
[20:56] <[SLB]> let me see gordon
[20:56] <[SLB]> -rwsr-xr-x. 1 root root 32199 Sep 28 18:37 /usr/local/bin/gpio
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> that's right. it's set uid root.
[20:56] <atouk> if you look, vec and arm freq are same. mistake from my early version
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> so it should never need to be run with sudo ..
[20:57] <[SLB]> from my user it works without sudo, i am in sudoers, www-data only allowed to do gpio and vcgencmd
[20:57] <[SLB]> urm
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[20:57] <atouk> http://69.118.23.127
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[20:58] <[SLB]> oh and hdmi actually reads vec eheh
[20:58] <[SLB]> fixing
[20:58] <[SLB]> i also added isp and pwm
[20:58] <atouk> quick cut and paste and never went back and reedited
[20:58] <[SLB]> eheh
[20:59] <[SLB]> i remade the H and L icons with proper transparency
[20:59] <[SLB]> also, is it possible to change the gauge background? ?_?
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], if using the 'df' command for the disk space - try df -h
[21:00] <[SLB]> oh yes didn't notice eheh thanks
[21:00] <atouk> did that. kept going back and for on which one i like better
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[21:03] <atouk> btw, you're one firmware behind. use that excellent little program that guy hexxah did
[21:04] <[SLB]> am i? hm
[21:04] <des2> The Setuid bit was patented...
[21:04] <[SLB]> newest one is 4 days old, i think i have the last one let me check
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[21:05] <[SLB]> Your firmware is already up to date
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> looks like my Pi's just done any update too.
[21:05] <atouk> really? i show 137, you've got 133
[21:05] <[SLB]> me 174
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[21:06] <Dovid> hi all
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> 151 here - about to reboot...
[21:06] <[SLB]> sorry where did you see 133
[21:06] <AC`97> version 339133 (release) ??
[21:06] <Dovid> anyone know a windows utility which will allow me to take an image of my current SD card so that i can place it on a larger SD card?
[21:07] <Hexxeh> i do wonder why lots of people get my name wrong, it's always "hexxah", never seen it wrong any other way :/
[21:07] <VandroiyIII> It passed the evil file! :D Thank you, gordonDrogon and SIFTU!
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #160 PREEMPT Mon Sep 17 23:18:42 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[21:07] <AC`97> Hexxeh: yo hexxah
[21:07] <VandroiyIII> Now, let's hope the compile works this time :o
[21:07] <Hexxeh> holla.
[21:07] <AC`97> :D
[21:08] * gordonDrogon mutters. Need to put ipv6 in /etc/modules now.
[21:08] <atouk> http://pi.slblabs.com/pistats/ shows 133
[21:08] <des2> Hexxeh a question please. What's the situation with sshd and enabling by default ?
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[21:08] <Hexxeh> des2: on official images there's a file on the boot partition you can rename to enable it if i remember righty
[21:08] <Hexxeh> *rightly
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[21:09] <atouk> dovid, win32diskimager
[21:09] <Dovid> atouk: Thanks a lot
[21:09] <des2> But on your stuff it will be enabled on default for the future ?
[21:09] <Hexxeh> i don't produce any images anymore
[21:09] <atouk> who's in charge of raspi-config?
[21:09] <Hexxeh> asb and the raspbian folks have that nailed now :)
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[21:10] <des2> ok thanks.
[21:10] <[SLB]> not sure how the updates actually work.. now gordon got 160?
[21:10] <Hexxeh> you know what i really want to do
[21:10] <AC`97> uptime record for my pi: 3 days 14 hours
[21:10] <Hexxeh> just to have some uniquepi?
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[21:11] <Hexxeh> patch the firmware to allow a 496/16MB split and have the pop reworked to have a 512MB package on there... :P
[21:11] <AC`97> version 338882 (release)
[21:11] <AC`97> oh joy
[21:11] <Hexxeh> but it means ordering another pi, which is effort :(
[21:11] <AC`97> Hexxeh: i was thinking of doing that
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> excellent IPv6 at boot time now. inet6 addr: 2001:4d48:ad51:8901:ba27:ebff:fea5:16f6/64 Scope:Global
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[21:11] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[21:11] <atouk> sodo those
[21:12] <atouk> unless you are root
[21:12] <atouk> (sudo)
[21:12] * gordonDrogon is often root.
[21:12] <[SLB]> yes i do that and also rpi-update, 3.2.27+ #174 PREEMPT Wed Sep 26 14:09:47 BST 2012
[21:12] <atouk> gordonDrogon is KING of root
[21:12] <[SLB]> it's been 4 days i have #174 hm
[21:12] <[SLB]> but version shows 339133
[21:13] <AC`97> that's 174 kernel.
[21:13] <[SLB]> well i update everything at once
[21:13] <AC`97> anyone else update their shizzles manually??
[21:13] <gordonDrogon> I've not used rpi-updaet for a while now.
[21:13] <[SLB]> where's the 339137 firmware hm
[21:14] <[SLB]> manually from foundation git?
[21:14] <axion> arch linux keeps firmware very up to date automatically
[21:14] <[SLB]> ah unstable repo?
[21:14] <axion> no
[21:14] <AC`97> O.o
[21:14] <axion> arch linux is rolling release
[21:14] <AC`97> the last time i checked, the archlinux kernel didn't have the /sys temperature interface
[21:14] <[SLB]> i don't know, that's what i get from my repos
[21:16] <axion> arch linux is all new bleeding edge software that somehow has worked for the 10 years ive used it
[21:16] <axion> well 2 months on the pi
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[21:16] <des2> And will eventually have hard float support.
[21:18] <atouk> off to the store.
[21:18] <[SLB]> o/
[21:18] <atouk> break something while i'm gone
[21:18] <[SLB]> thanks again
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[21:38] <grabphil> whos play squirrel and won
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[21:38] <Pyrofer> hello
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[21:39] <grabphil> air is for breathing
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[21:39] <sliddjur> my pi just rebooted when i put in a external 2,5" usb hdd
[21:39] <sliddjur> was power too low? running on 1000ma
[21:40] <grabphil> mine funny with a power hub
[21:40] <sliddjur> got no other units connected
[21:40] <sliddjur> exoect hdmi, ethernet
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[21:40] <grabphil> low power through phone socket sucks
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[21:40] <mjr> high powered usb devices are not expected to work through the pi
[21:40] <VandroiyIII> Yea, I don't think it's a good idea to try a HDD spin-up on the Pi's USB ports
[21:41] <kim-jong> w/ about a ssd ?
[21:41] * VandroiyIII got a powered USB hub on it, everything else is connected to that
[21:41] <grabphil> naaa the hubs power through mains. but it dont like the usb connection after
[21:41] <asaru> it was my understanding that the pi can only push 140mA from its usb ports
[21:41] <mjr> even if you have a newer version without the usb polyfuses to limit current on the ports, there's the global input fuse of wasit 700 mA that'll limit what you can put through the pi
[21:42] <asaru> anything that needs more than that will need a powered hub
[21:42] <grabphil> im clumsy it might work later
[21:42] <IT_Sean> Anything that draws more powah than your basic mouse or keyboard 'll need a powered hub.
[21:43] <grabphil> linux mags expensive
[21:43] <VandroiyIII> Do the powered hubs have a large performance or response impact? I didn't bench anything so far, but interaction with storage over a cheap hub seemed to work ok
[21:44] <grabphil> mine did sort of freeze when it was plugged in
[21:47] <grabphil> im dead now
[21:47] <grabphil> no it was just clumsyness.
[21:49] <Datalink> hm, cat /proc/cpuinfo shows that the CPU has java native, why are we reliant on JVM?
[21:50] <grabphil> what does SUDO basically mean
[21:50] <mjr> it's not that simple, the java opcodes merely help an (aware) jvm
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[21:52] <axion> kim-jong: still too much at approx 1/3 the consumption
[21:52] <mjr> there's libraries and java run-time services to provide
[21:52] <Datalink> ah
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[21:53] <Datalink> so, is there an aware jvm for Rasbian?
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[21:53] <gordonDrogon> grabphil, su - super user - do - as I say
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[21:53] <donnib> Hi
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[21:53] <donnib> i have an issue with my raspberry pi which i wan't to ask about
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[21:54] <mhoney> ask away
[21:54] <donnib> when i issue an reboot from ssh the raspberry pi does not reboot, stays on with red led
[21:54] <donnib> is it the SD card ?
[21:54] <donnib> i read the faq and it says it might be the sd card or power supply
[21:54] <mhoney> I've never had that happen. Does it close your ssh session?
[21:55] <donnib> it just that it's always doing this, if i turn the power off and then on it boots fine
[21:55] <donnib> but it's irritating that i can't do a reboot from ssh
[21:55] <donnib> yes eventually
[21:55] <MasterGeek> sounds like your power supply isnt able to give it wut it needs
[21:55] <mhoney> anything in the syslog that might be a clue?
[21:55] <axion> i would try another psu, or if your tv has a usb port, use that
[21:55] <mhoney> are you overclocking?
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[21:56] <Datalink> I'd plug it into a monitor (if it's not already) and see if it's running the shutdown scripts
[21:58] <donnib> i will try your suggestions, see if it runs the shutdown scripts and then get back
[21:58] <mhoney> anyone get a 64gig or bigger sd card working?
[21:59] <donnib> btw i am using the lowest power supply from Farnell http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?id=2081185&Ntt=2081185&
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[21:59] <donnib> i would guess that this power supply should be good
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[22:18] <Vegar> is it possible to order two raspis from farnell/element14?
[22:19] <Xark> Vegar: Yep, no limits AFAIK anymore.
[22:19] <[SLB]> i think they still have the old order page up
[22:19] <Vegar> Xark: but I see no way to increase the number of boards
[22:19] <[SLB]> ^
[22:19] <hyde> a possibly stupid question: using Wheezy, I can't seem to get >800x480 resolution...
[22:20] <hyde> just going through the FAQ, trying things, but asking if there's some simple trick I'm somehow not doing
[22:20] <hyde> or should it work out of the box?
[22:20] <Xark> Vegar: Hmm, may vary by country. On US site there is "Qty" box and I can bump it to whatever.
[22:21] <Vegar> hmm
[22:22] <gordonDrogon> hyde, generally works - but what resolution is your monitor?
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[22:22] <Vegar> Xark: must be a US-only thing
[22:22] <hyde> it FullHD LCD
[22:22] <hyde> about a year old
[22:23] <hyde> connected with HDMI
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> so 1080p?
[22:23] <hyde> the monitors info doesn't actually show resolution, just H and V freqs
[22:23] <[SLB]> hyde, http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt#Video_mode_options
[22:24] <hyde> yeah, should be that
[22:24] <Xark> Vegar: Have you seen this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1588 You may want to write them a letter and double check if they intended to limit quantity.
[22:24] <Vegar> Xark: yes, seen and noticed
[22:24] <Vegar> and now hoping to get a rev2 board
[22:24] <Dovid> anyone know how to set up bluetooth on the PI?
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> yea, read the wiki and set the resolution manually - I had to do that for a 720p TV I have here.
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[22:25] <[SLB]> there are few modes 800*600 listed there
[22:25] <hyde> I had to uncomment the hdmi_safe=1 line in config.txt to get any display
[22:25] <[SLB]> hdmi_group=2, mode=[8-13]
[22:25] <ln-> can't seem to order more than 1 rpis to finland either, from farnell.
[22:25] <[SLB]> can't either from italy btw
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[22:27] <hyde> ...the RPi is just doing apt-get upgrade, so will try some more shortly...
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[22:43] <[SLB]> atouk, i think when you print pixel frequency, you forgot to initialize $clock3, so it takes the one of emmc
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[22:44] <VandroiyIII> Success!! Thanks for the help guys! :D
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[22:45] <Hexxeh> Vegar: I tried to order a bunch, saw the same thing
[22:46] <Hexxeh> Chances are I might screw a couple up trying to remove the RAM package
[22:46] <atouk> working straight off of ssh with no monitor hooked up, so i don't think they get set to anything here
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[22:47] <AC`97> Hexxeh: use a torch.
[22:47] <Hexxeh> What?
[22:47] <AC`97> lift board up by ram chip with pliers, torch ram :D
[22:48] <Hexxeh> you need to be careful you don't desolder the soc underneath
[22:48] <AC`97> indeed.
[22:48] <des2> Why would you remove the ram
[22:48] <Hexxeh> i have access to a bga rework station
[22:48] <Hexxeh> suction to pick the package off, heat the entire thing up and pop it off
[22:48] <AC`97> psh, torch is quicker and more accurate
[22:48] <AC`97> :P
[22:49] <AC`97> if you don't mind damaging the ram chip
[22:49] <Hexxeh> but then how do you propose you add the new chip with a torch lol
[22:49] <AC`97> you don't? ^_^
[22:49] <[SLB]> lol
[22:49] <AC`97> though i'm sure i could do it
[22:50] <AC`97> just add a heatsink on top
[22:50] <loadbang> you're thinking of adding a new ram chip?
[22:50] <Hexxeh> yeah
[22:50] <Hexxeh> the max the SoC can take is 512MB
[22:50] <Hexxeh> going to upgrade a couple Pis
[22:50] <AC`97> and sell them for big $$$ ?
[22:50] <atouk> i'll donate a dollar to the "Lets see if Hexxeh can do it" fund
[22:50] <Hexxeh> no
[22:50] <loadbang> it has been done and does work
[22:50] <Hexxeh> don't need a fund
[22:50] <mgottschlag> what about firmware, doesn't the ram initialization code need to be changed?
[22:50] <Hexxeh> loadbang: link?
[22:50] <Hexxeh> yes mgottschlag, already done that
[22:50] <AC`97> Hexxeh: can i buy one if it works? :D
[22:50] <loadbang> Hexxeh: lab at a local university
[22:51] <Hexxeh> not selling them, i want something unique
[22:51] <AC`97> D:
[22:51] <Hexxeh> loadbang: out of curiosity, which RAM package did you end up using?
[22:51] <Hexxeh> about to go source them now
[22:51] <loadbang> I didn't do it.
[22:51] <loadbang> I was visiting.
[22:51] <Hexxeh> oh
[22:52] <Hexxeh> nobody i've seen has posted about their attempts online
[22:52] <Hexxeh> well, i've seen failed attempts
[22:52] <Hexxeh> nothing successful though
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[22:53] <loadbang> the university has Pi's for training how to use rework stations.
[22:53] <Hexxeh> what university is this?
[22:53] <loadbang> birmingham.
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[22:53] <loadbang> city
[22:53] <Hexxeh> ah
[22:54] <Hexxeh> i'll see if i can get in touch, i'd love to see somebody who's done it
[22:54] <loadbang> we used to rework shark processors. Pi's are somewhat cheaper.
[22:54] <loadbang> sharc*
[22:54] <loadbang> \
[22:55] <hamitron> I haven't actually found the memory limiting tbh
[22:55] <Hexxeh> it is for webkit
[22:55] <hamitron> yeh
[22:55] <Hexxeh> imo it's going to become more of an issue once we have accelerated desktops
[22:55] <Hexxeh> since you'll need to give the GPU a pretty big chunk
[22:55] <Hexxeh> probably half/half
[22:56] <AC`97> anyone have experience with python + pcapy + wifi sniffing?
[22:56] <Hexxeh> i've seen a 60fps accelerated webkit demo
[22:56] <Hexxeh> but it's using a lot of gpu memory
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[22:56] <hamitron> surprising they didn't fit max the SoC will handle tbh
[22:57] <hamitron> but 256 is the spec given, 256 is the spec I will work with
[22:57] <Hexxeh> i wouldn't be entirely surprised if we saw a version with more memory in the next few months
[22:57] <hamitron> ;)
[22:58] <gordonDrogon> hamitron, the $35 limit..
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[22:59] <hamitron> guess so
[22:59] <Hexxeh> but they're riding that moores law curve downwards
[22:59] <Hexxeh> 512MB will be possible soon enough for that price
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> yea, they didn't think they could make it in the UK for that price either.
[23:00] <Syliss> it probably is but since they already have 256mb chips
[23:00] <hamitron> but if there are multiple specs in the future.... just one more thing to confuse a newb and have to ask them in here
[23:00] <hamitron> ;)
[23:00] <des2> I thought the UK thing involved taxes.
[23:00] <des2> On importing parts vs finished products.
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> des2, it does - and probably still does, but if they can make it cheaper...
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[23:01] <hamitron> well, I still think it would be a bad thing
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> so now they pay more tax, but the base price is cheaper, so no net change.
[23:01] <steve_rox> wonder if they will make further rev's with higher ram
[23:02] <[SLB]> windy tonight, my pi is running at 32?C
[23:02] <steve_rox> whats your pi doing outside
[23:02] <des2> Since they are dealing in such large quantities now the parts they get must be cheaper.
[23:02] <[SLB]> no it's in front of the balcony eheh
[23:02] <AC`97> my pi is at 36.856??C.
[23:02] * AC`97 turns on fan
[23:02] <steve_rox> oh :-P
[23:02] <steve_rox> my pi is not even on at moment
[23:02] <[SLB]> in case and without fan nor heatsinks :3
[23:02] <steve_rox> managed to get wifi working in xbmc
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[23:02] <[SLB]> nice:)
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[23:03] <steve_rox> wheesy seems to be another story
[23:03] <Midasx> Is the rpi CPU dual core or only single?
[23:03] <steve_rox> ifconfig shows that its detected it fine
[23:03] <axion> single
[23:03] <Midasx> axion: perfect thank you :)
[23:03] <hamitron> oh, need to try slackware 14
[23:03] <AC`97> how is that perfect??
[23:03] <steve_rox> the wifi config gui provided with wheesy does nothing
[23:03] <hyde> I'd say, keep the specs as fixed as possible... have a stable platform at least for a year or two.
[23:03] <Opinie> how do you know, how warm your raspberry is running?
[23:03] <Midasx> AC`97: Makes my life easier :P
[23:04] <Opinie> or rather, how do you find out..
[23:04] <des2> Single roughly equivalent to a 300 MHz Pentium 2
[23:04] <AC`97> o.O
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[23:04] <[SLB]> http://pi.slblabs.com:7010/
[23:04] <axion> Opinie: /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[23:04] <[SLB]> Opinie, //opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[23:04] <Midasx> I'm thinking of writing a small program to benchmark my Pi's CPU for testing with overclocking you see
[23:04] <hyde> and then make a new version with upped specs, not constrained by backwards compatibility (but of course striving for it as much as practical)
[23:04] <Opinie> axion & [SLB]: thanks
[23:04] <AC`97> Opinie: Opinie cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[23:04] <[SLB]> yw
[23:04] <AC`97> >:D
[23:05] <steve_rox> meow
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[23:05] <AC`97> woof
[23:05] <axion> AC`97: that will not work on every distro
[23:05] <axion> including arch linux
[23:05] <AC`97> axion: orly
[23:05] * AC`97 is on arch linux
[23:05] <Midasx> AC`97: is that a way easier wayto find the temp than vcgencmd?!
[23:05] <des2> Get the Byte Unix benchmarks that way you can compare to other compuers.
[23:05] <AC`97> with... a non-archlinux kernel
[23:05] <Opinie> mines running 51.4'C. I guess having a case really makes a difference..
[23:05] <AC`97> Midasx: less cpu usage
[23:05] <Midasx> AC`97: I'm on arch that saves me loads of time <3
[23:06] <axion> AC`97: i do not have that expoed in /sys/class, and someone mentioned earlier they don't either.
[23:06] <[SLB]> Midasx, cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[23:06] <[SLB]> hm
[23:06] <AC`97> axion: grab the kernel from the firmware place
[23:06] <axion> i'll stick to repo, thanks
[23:06] <AC`97> lol
[23:07] <Hexxeh> as long as the firmware had a 256MB cap backwards compatible mode, you'd be okay?
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[23:10] <Tachyon`> how is risc os on the pi? I should have mine in two days...
[23:10] <steve_rox> i tryed riscos
[23:10] <steve_rox> very fast i guess
[23:10] <Tachyon`> mouse and keybaord work etc.?
[23:10] <steve_rox> the lack of 3 buttons on my mouse held me back
[23:10] <AC`97> my pi has never seen a keyboard.
[23:11] <Tachyon`> ahh
[23:11] <Midasx> [SLB]: do you know if that command work on debian or only arch?
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[23:11] <steve_rox> very fast browser in it
[23:11] <[SLB]> i am on raspbian both commands work
[23:11] <Tachyon`> you can always hit F12 and drop into basic (or hold down * at boot for supervisor)
[23:11] <[SLB]> if you have an updated kernel, that is
[23:11] <Midasx> ah cool
[23:11] <steve_rox> i dont think i couldent get it to output to composite
[23:12] <Tachyon`> I looked on the open risc os site
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[23:12] <Tachyon`> seemed to suggest it was stuck in one mode and using hardware scaling for the others
[23:12] <steve_rox> i dont think you can change the rez in it
[23:12] <Tachyon`> but not sure how up to date the information on tha tsite is
[23:13] <Tachyon`> if it can build itself with the required tools I'll be happy
[23:13] <Tachyon`> I'll be able to work on the pandora/pi ports withotu buying an a7000/risc pc
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[23:14] <steve_rox> i still got some floppy disks around here somewhere with riscos files on em
[23:14] <steve_rox> pitty i dont have a floppy drive capible of reading em
[23:15] <AC`97> rig one up
[23:15] <AC`97> floppies should be pretty easy to read
[23:15] <steve_rox> they are formatted differently
[23:15] <AC`97> O.o
[23:15] <AC`97> no dos? D:
[23:15] <steve_rox> i think i recall its ADFS
[23:16] <steve_rox> or something
[23:16] <AC`97> ... never heard of it
[23:16] <steve_rox> distant memory
[23:17] <AC`97> oh wow. there are floptical disks
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[23:17] * AC`97 <3 wikipedia
[23:18] <steve_rox> hmm>?
[23:18] <AC`97> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floptical
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[23:19] <steve_rox> wonder what to do now
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[23:25] <trevorman> steve_rox: you need to find an old acorn or get something like a http://www.kryoflux.com/
[23:25] <steve_rox> i spose im not in a hurry to recover the files
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[23:25] <steve_rox> they are about 10-15 years old assumeing the disks survived
[23:26] <steve_rox> could contain old games/software
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[23:26] <steve_rox> i know i had a game of lemmings on one the disks but im sure thats not very rare
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[23:27] <trevorman> yeah
[23:27] <steve_rox> theres one game/prop called primesolve
[23:27] <steve_rox> lost in history
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[23:28] <steve_rox> may be refered to as primesolver
[23:28] <steve_rox> like a small puzzle game
[23:28] <steve_rox> cant find it anywhere
[23:28] <Hexxeh> what's the highest ARM clock anyone has managed btw?
[23:28] <AC`97> steve_rox: orly
[23:28] <des2> See if you had printed them out on papertape you'd still have them.
[23:28] <trevorman> Hexxeh: 1.1 to 1.3 I believe
[23:28] <Hexxeh> gonna order a bunch of boards and torture a few see how much you can squeeze out if you really don't care how long the board lasts
[23:29] <Hexxeh> trevorman: i've been running at 1.2 daily lol, i'd expect higher than that for suicide runs
[23:29] <trevorman> heard a couple people say they've gotten past that but it wasn't reliable
[23:29] <Hexxeh> i'm thinking max over_voltage, force_turbo=1, connect it to a bench supply set to 5.2V
[23:30] <Hexxeh> disable the current limit
[23:30] <steve_rox> why need so much speed anyways?
[23:30] <steve_rox> for emulators?
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[23:30] <Hexxeh> just for fun
[23:30] <steve_rox> oh
[23:30] <atouk> old school overclocking
[23:30] <Hexxeh> i used to do ln2 on x86 rigs and all that crazy stuff
[23:30] <trevorman> more voltage doesn't necessarily mean more headroom though
[23:30] <Hexxeh> yeah :D
[23:31] <Hexxeh> when i was like 11-12 i used to take my machine into the garden at night to get it colder
[23:31] <Hexxeh> this was when i was running air
[23:31] <Hexxeh> trevorman: true, it's down to the board at the end of the day
[23:31] <Hexxeh> but if i order say, 50, and test each one
[23:31] <Hexxeh> hopefully i'll find one that can do some interesting clocks
[23:31] <trevorman> dunking it in LN2 might not be good for it as well because of that PoP
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[23:32] <chithead> to increase overclocking headroom, you can feed power via the usb ports
[23:32] <atouk> maybe they'll make a database entry on overclockers.com for the pi
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[23:32] <des2> for the price of 50 you can buy an actually fast computer.
[23:32] <hamitron> des2, +1
[23:32] <Hexxeh> no point using ln2 on these, they're not temp bound like intel chips
[23:32] <AC`97> chithead: you mean over gpio ?
[23:32] <Opinie> Hexxeh: you might want to try making a "super-computer" out of them first or something
[23:32] <Hexxeh> AC`97: no he means via the usb host ports
[23:32] <chithead> over gpio would also work
[23:32] <Hexxeh> true
[23:32] <AC`97> oh. i was thinking of the older boards
[23:33] <Hexxeh> i did say a bench supply, i was gonna use the GPIO pins anyway
[23:33] <Hexxeh> and yes, i could buy a nice machine for what 50 cost
[23:33] <Hexxeh> but i already /have/ a nice machine
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[23:33] <Hexxeh> using hardware to do what it was designed to do is boring :)
[23:33] * chitbrain floats around chithead
[23:33] <chithead> increasing voltage to 5.2V probably won't help much, as the soc has its own regulator
[23:34] <Hexxeh> hmm, i need to study the schematic
[23:34] <Hexxeh> there's probably some kind of voltmod i can do
[23:34] <trevorman> the current limiter is on that internal SMPS for the core
[23:36] <grabphil> little toys with big boys lol
[23:36] <Hexxeh> using a newer version of GCC will improve bench scores too
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[23:36] <Visualante> neat, busy channel
[23:36] <AC`97> orly
[23:37] <toughadam> anybody here been doing much emulation on their pi?
[23:37] <AC`97> toughadam: like, running windohs 3.1?
[23:37] <Hexxeh> toughadam: i've been playing PSX a bit
[23:37] <steve_rox> i got gensis on emulator andthats about it
[23:37] <toughadam> i'm trying to run neo geo
[23:37] <Visualante> i'm interested in using raspi for graphics programming. in particular opengl/processing. are there any good options for me?
[23:37] <steve_rox> i was unable to install any other emu yet
[23:37] <grabphil> i havent seen the matrix in ages
[23:37] <toughadam> i set the graphics to full screen and saved the configuration and now i can't open it again
[23:38] <AC`97> http://goo.gl/ZzdAF my pi is ready to pwn, hardware-wise...
[23:38] <japro> Visualante, there are examples in /opt/vc/src/hello_pi/
[23:38] <japro> Visualante, also self plug: https://github.com/progschj/pigu
[23:38] <Visualante> japro, thanks i haven't got mine yet. sounds good to me :) i use windows on my home PC and haven't had any luck being able to do anything on windblows
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[23:39] <AC`97> japro: readme needs moar lines
[23:40] <Visualante> GLES seems cool, we never got to do it at school 'cause it wasn't out yet
[23:40] <buZz> Visualante: i am tempted to play with puredata+GEM on raspi
[23:40] <Visualante> GEM?
[23:41] <buZz> opengl ..
[23:41] <japro> its essentially a cleaned up version of GL2 without the fixed function crap
[23:41] <buZz> puredata can be used for video aswell as for audio
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[23:41] <buZz> i have made several VJ-ish sketches for puredata
[23:41] * Visualante over my head
[23:42] <Visualante> i probably should stick to processing GL is so complex with the stack like thing
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[23:42] <japro> uh, cool kids don't use the matrix stack in opengl
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[23:42] <japro> its deprecated in the newer versions
[23:42] <japro> including gl2
[23:42] <japro> gles2 i mean
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[23:43] <buZz> hmm yeah, wonder if GEM has gles2 support at all ;)
[23:43] <Visualante> oh yeah? that's good. i think the problem at the time was that there were no books on it. i ended up doing all these nehe tutorials which has loads of bad practice in them
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[23:43] <buZz> damn, doesnt
[23:44] <buZz> :(
[23:44] <Visualante> it doesn't? i was lectured on it by someone who checked my code
[23:45] <japro> i think he referred to his previous statement not yours ;D
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[23:45] <buZz> yes ;)
[23:45] <japro> and yes, nehe is mostly outdated by now
[23:45] <japro> http://www.arcsynthesis.org/gltut/ is better
[23:45] <Visualante> thank you :3 that's great
[23:45] <japro> i don't really know about GLES2 specific ones
[23:46] <japro> but they are fairly similar anyway
[23:46] <buZz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srSDJifMtWg <- this was made in puredata
[23:46] <Visualante> there is one book with a chapter at least on it, as of a year or two ago
[23:46] <japro> well GLES2 is essentially GL3 - some stuff
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[23:47] <buZz> and i used this on a gig once, it was great fun running around with a NDS ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCGNYJg0u6o
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[23:53] <Hexxeh> interesting, once you clock past a certain point, it seems the SD card driver starts getting a bit wobbly
[23:53] <Hexxeh> even with more intense stuff running happily as long as it doesn't touch disk
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[23:54] <steve_rox> i think i read the sd starts corrupting
[23:54] <atouk> happens with usb as rootfs, too
[23:54] <Hexxeh> iirc isn't some SD card stuff tied to core clock?
[23:54] <Hexxeh> booting to a ramdisk for benchmarks it is, then :P
[23:54] <[SLB]> there's this emmc freq, but not sure
[23:55] <chithead> I think it was addressed in https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/commit/c14ddd05972ac5aa822a9e9f487cf2c4a1b958a0
[23:55] <japro> so you can "overclock your hard drive" so to speak
[23:55] <japro> awesome
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[23:55] <Hexxeh> chithead: oh, udelay is used for emmc?
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[23:56] <chithead> I think so
[23:56] <chithead> there were reports of sd corruption because the timing was off when overclocking
[23:57] <[SLB]> i saw that commit too so does that mean it's fixed now?
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[23:58] <grabphil> what are u trying to solve
[23:59] <Hexxeh> well this is interesting

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