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IRC Log for 2012-10-01

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[0:00] <Hexxeh> that bytemark benchmark gives crazy results when run on a modern x86 chip
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[0:01] <grabphil> mines got a clock already debian weezy
[0:04] <grabphil> buy throat till dead
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[0:06] <japro> how much cache is there on the pi anyway?
[0:07] <japro> i measured only like 150MB/s memory bandwidth on the pi which is multiple orders of magnitude below current gen X86 or even graphics cards
[0:08] <AC`97> $35 of cash? :D
[0:09] <scummos> well imo 150 MB/s is great for such a thing
[0:09] <japro> the quoted 24Gflops/s of the gpu on the other hand are nuts
[0:09] <scummos> it's a passively cooled credit-card sized computer for 25 dollars
[0:09] <scummos> what do you expect :D
[0:09] <Hexxeh> it's a very fast GPU, really
[0:10] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance
[0:10] <AC`97> too bad we can't actually use the GPU yet :|
[0:10] <AC`97> i want uber-fast calculator.
[0:10] <japro> well you can for graphics :D
[0:10] <AC`97> ...
[0:10] <japro> i havent really tested really compute heavy shaders yet
[0:10] <Hexxeh> chithead: good call, latest firmware is clocking much more highly
[0:11] <japro> but i tried fxaa :D
[0:11] <des2> It'll be a much better computer with 512MB the power problems fixes and running at 1 Gig.
[0:11] <japro> didn't work out too well
[0:11] <trevorman> japro: 128KB
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[0:12] <japro> considering the performance of the ARM it is actually more like a decent GPU with a tiny arm tacked on
[0:12] <Hexxeh> that's because that's what it is :P
[0:12] <japro> and everyone seems to be using them for webservers of some description
[0:12] <japro> how unlucky :D
[0:12] <AC`97> indeed
[0:12] <scummos> http://imgur.com/a/LneTG#0 <- the raspberry pi controlled radio interferometer, part 1
[0:13] <AC`97> mine is going into my motorcycle
[0:13] <Hexxeh> you know if you get these things cheap enough
[0:13] <scummos> (it's supposed to be a programmable delay line)
[0:13] <Hexxeh> it almost makes sense to use them as servers
[0:13] <scummos> but without the cables currently
[0:13] <Hexxeh> i'm hoping to launch something in that field soon
[0:13] <japro> mine is going to be a game console :D
[0:13] <Visualante> what kind of pad will you use?
[0:13] <Hexxeh> hence why i'm looking at ordering a boatload of Pi
[0:13] <japro> Visualante, xbox360 pads work well
[0:14] <japro> even wireless ones with the dongle
[0:14] <japro> i also tested a joystick i had lying around
[0:14] <Visualante> ah i can't stand the d-pad, especially when many retro games are best with that
[0:14] <Hexxeh> 48c with over_voltage=8, yeah, temp really isn't an issue
[0:14] <japro> well i'm not looking at retro games
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[0:14] <Hexxeh> i've packed 32 of these into a small metal case, and heat still isn't an issue
[0:14] <japro> i'm currently in the process of coding a small racing game
[0:14] <Hexxeh> even with ambients of 30c
[0:15] <des2> 32 ?
[0:15] <Hexxeh> yeah
[0:15] <japro> uh, but that isn't even energy efficient?
[0:15] <des2> um wow
[0:15] <japro> a single netbook would most likely do a better job than 32pis while using less energy?
[0:16] <Hexxeh> you know i've not found a single unit that doesn't clock to 950mhz yet btw?
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[0:16] <Hexxeh> japro: true, but can i run 32 different kernels on there and it still perform better? :)
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[0:16] <AC`97> or control 544 gpios
[0:16] <AC`97> >:D
[0:17] <japro> well i guess technically you halso have more floating point power :D
[0:17] <japro> but with a 100mbit interconnect
[0:17] <Hexxeh> the idea is to cram as many of these things into a 1U as possible
[0:17] <Hexxeh> give them each 100mbit ethernet
[0:17] <chithead> if you run a virtualization solution with only 1 kernel (linux-vserver, openvz, lxc), then 32 vms on a netbook should be doable
[0:17] <Hexxeh> and oob access via serial (powered by another pi of course)
[0:17] <Hexxeh> chithead: yes, but i want full isolation
[0:18] <AC`97> Hexxeh: http://regmedia.co.uk/2012/09/12/supercomputer_raspberry_pi_2.jpg ??
[0:18] <Hexxeh> AC`97: it looks something like that, yeah
[0:18] <Hexxeh> i've got them packed more densely though
[0:18] <AC`97> O.o
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[0:19] <hamitron> how does distcc perform?
[0:19] <japro> the "supercomputer" part is a little pointless unless you figure out a way to tap into the gpu compute power
[0:19] <Hexxeh> hamitron: not very well
[0:19] <Hexxeh> i'm more interested in the personal server side of this
[0:19] <des2> Indeed japro
[0:19] <Hexxeh> lots of people would find a tiny server very useful
[0:19] <hamitron> yeh
[0:19] <Hexxeh> raspberry pi is popular and becoming mainstream now
[0:20] <japro> that is like 4 Gflop/s total compute power on the arms
[0:20] <Hexxeh> lots of tutorials on how to do things people commonly want to do with them
[0:20] <Hexxeh> seedboxes, etc
[0:20] <AC`97> pogoplug is better suited for server tasks
[0:20] <AC`97> (om nom nom gigabit ethernet)
[0:20] <Hexxeh> so offer a service where you'll host one for somebody very cheaply, and it becomes interesting :)
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[0:20] <Hexxeh> i know you can do better in terms of power efficiency, far better
[0:20] <japro> while pulling about 160+W
[0:21] <hamitron> at least the r-pi seems stable now for me
[0:21] <hamitron> when i first started, I wish I hadn't bought the thing
[0:21] <hamitron> but I think it was the OS
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[0:22] <hamitron> hell, I've been using it for IRC and stuff for days now
[0:22] <hamitron> :)
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[0:22] <japro> its a shame GLES2 doesn't allow for float render targets
[0:22] <japro> that would allow a fair amount of compute workloads already
[0:23] <japro> i wonder if it will get GLES3 drivers at some point
[0:23] <Mihaylov> Hello, I got a problem with my USB Hub, devices pluged in it aren??t detected
[0:23] <Hexxeh> still can't get past 1.2GHz :/
[0:24] <chithead> Mihaylov: do you see output in dmesg when you plug something in? did you try another usb hub?
[0:24] <hamitron> Hexxeh, if you get your r-pi at a higher clock than my p3 laptop, I will not be happy ;)
[0:24] <Hexxeh> well when i order all my pi
[0:24] <Hexxeh> i'm going to test each one first
[0:24] <hamitron> :/
[0:24] <Hexxeh> and keep the highest clocking for myself
[0:25] <des2> Mihaylov powered or not powered hub ?
[0:25] <hamitron> by hub does he mean the hub on the r-pi, or a separate one?
[0:25] <hamitron> ;)
[0:25] <trevorman> Hexxeh: you going to have each one at its maximum or all at whatever the slowest can do?
[0:25] <AC`97> github??
[0:26] <Hexxeh> trevorman: i'm going to let users do what they want in terms of clocks
[0:26] <hamitron> how much you looking to charge?
[0:27] <hamitron> ;)
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[0:27] <trevorman> Hexxeh: you using them as mini servers in a datacenter? how do you handle them making it unbootable?
[0:27] <Hexxeh> still working it out, but we're talking a few dollars a month
[0:28] <AC`97> not $1/month? D:
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[0:28] <Hexxeh> trevorman: if you OC to the point where it's unbootable, you pay a fee to have it manually reset
[0:28] <hamitron> still take him over a year to get his money back ;)
[0:28] <hamitron> oh, may get your money back quicker from the newbs then
[0:28] <Hexxeh> but as long as you're using force_turbo=0, you'll struggle to screw it up that much :)
[0:28] <hamitron> ;D
[0:28] <trevorman> I mean more along the lines of kernel or system changes
[0:29] <AC`97> Hexxeh: how about preset overclocks, tuned for each pi?
[0:29] <Hexxeh> same applies really, probably shouldn't be using them for super experimental stuff
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[0:30] <trevorman> idk. could get annoying because you'd need to trek over to the datacenter and pull the box to fix an unbootable RPi
[0:30] <trevorman> you could mitigate some of that by getting uBoot working fully but still a risk
[0:30] <Mihaylov> Sorry I dropped
[0:30] <Mihaylov> chithead I??ve tried the usb hub on my laptop, its a powered one (If it isn??t plugged, when i plug it in on Rpi it reboots)
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[0:31] <Hexxeh> nah, remote hands from the DC staff and the oob pi has a second sd card reader that installs known good firmware on anything you insert :)
[0:31] <rigel> hi
[0:31] <rigel> so i have this java package i'd like to run on the raspi
[0:31] <rigel> as a server
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[0:31] <chithead> Mihaylov: so what does dmesg say when you plug something in
[0:31] <Hexxeh> so it takes the DC staff ~2 minutes to pop the sd card out for the bad pi, plug it into the oob pi, wait 10 seconds then plug it back into the customer pi and hit the reset button for that unit
[0:31] <rigel> but it takes up an inordinate amount of space, and if i dont use the oracle version of java its horrendously slow(er)
[0:31] <trevorman> Hexxeh: how are they going to actually get access to the RPi though if its in your case :P
[0:32] <des2> define enormous
[0:32] <rigel> im wondering if compiling it to a binary executable with gcj would work to increase performance and/or memory footprint?
[0:32] <Hexxeh> trevorman: the actual tray holding pi slides out
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[0:32] <des2> Anything is better than a java interpreter.
[0:32] <rigel> des2: that's kind of what i suspected
[0:32] <scummos> anything is better than java
[0:33] <rigel> scummos: i tend to agree, but it's not written in python, and i need this package
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[0:33] <trevorman> its a good idea but many pitfalls. you can get dirt cheap VPS instances for about $1 a month now.
[0:33] <rigel> i considered for about 30 seconds rewriting it in python, but then i looked at the code and was like "i dont have an extra year to devote to learning java well enough to do this"
[0:33] <des2> The point of java being interpreted is that it is able to get around the binary compatibility problem across platforms.
[0:34] <Hexxeh> trevorman: they tend to have pretty poor performance to match
[0:34] <hamitron> I bet the r-pi will be faster than them $1 vps ;)
[0:34] <japro> it strictly speaking isn't interpreted :D
[0:34] <Hexxeh> i'd bet the Pi is better than some $1 ones
[0:34] <hamitron> it is certainly better than my VPS
[0:34] <des2> People have run benchmarks on their $15/year VPSes.
[0:34] <trevorman> depends on your pricepoint really
[0:34] * Datalink waits for UK stuff to ship...
[0:34] <des2> They're pretty fast cause most times most machines aren't doing anything.
[0:34] <japro> java should still be faster than say python, ignoring the fact that the vm will singelhandedly eath the memory
[0:34] <Datalink> ordered the pibow and the serials for my decoders
[0:35] <Datalink> Java vs Python, I'd personally rather have Python, that said, I'm starting to look into doing stuff in native C over time...
[0:35] <hamitron> native C ftw
[0:35] <hamitron> <3
[0:35] <rigel> what i guess i have a question with is, do i still need to be using the softfloat image?
[0:36] <japro> "native" as opposed to... uh... ?
[0:36] <rigel> because i have needed that to run the oracle jvm
[0:36] <AC`97> someone needs to order 7 pibows and then resell them as single-color >:D
[0:36] <rigel> Datalink: c or c++
[0:36] <Datalink> Sun Java's softfloat, I don't know if there's other stuff
[0:36] <bircoe> I'd be in on that AC`97 !
[0:36] <Datalink> AC`97, wouldn't work since each color layer's cut differently
[0:36] <trevorman> ^
[0:36] <AC`97> ^ false.
[0:36] <Datalink> .... true
[0:37] <AC`97> ohwait
[0:37] <trevorman> -.-
[0:37] <AC`97> true.
[0:37] * AC`97 is thinking-illiterate
[0:37] <Datalink> look at the images, the side cuts for the power USB have notches mid-layer, the ribbon cable notch is high, the others are on their layers
[0:37] <Datalink> at least you admit it
[0:37] <AC`97> :P
[0:37] <Datalink> I've considered the milled alunumn case as well, maybe when I win the lotto...
[0:37] <rigel> Datalink: i was talking about using gcj to compile a java package i need
[0:38] <rigel> to avoid using the jvm
[0:38] <hamitron> mine is stood on a cd-r coaster
[0:38] <rigel> only reason im using sf is for the oracle jvm
[0:38] <Datalink> rigel, maybe, I'd have to look into it...
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[0:38] <Datalink> mine's just on a shelf right now, but since I have a ribbon already I want to protect mine
[0:38] <Datalink> I wouldn't be upset if someone released a JVM that used the ARM's java support
[0:38] <Datalink> actually come to think of it, that'd become my primary java
[0:39] <des2> Rigel have you seen this thread? http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=6330&p=124107
[0:40] <Mihaylov> chithead what do you want to know from dmesg?
[0:41] <chithead> Mihaylov: the messages that come when you plug in an usb device into your hub
[0:41] <rigel> des2: not sure if that's what im looking for
[0:41] <rigel> the memory footrint of this package is pretty large
[0:41] <rigel> im constantly getting errors that java is out of heap space
[0:41] <Mihaylov> chithead If I plug the mentioned hub it will reboot
[0:41] <Datalink> quick question, is there a temp sensor on the Pi and how would I read it?
[0:41] <trevorman> rigel: openjdk isn't suitable?
[0:42] <trevorman> Datalink: vcgencmd measure_temp or some file in /sys
[0:42] <rigel> trevorman: when i used openjdk it was significantly slower. so for the moment im using the oracle on softfloat
[0:42] <trevorman> ah
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[0:42] <chithead> Mihaylov: that happens sometimes, and it points to poor power supply
[0:42] <Datalink> hm, 39.0C
[0:43] <trevorman> rigel: looks like its missing the JIT compiler
[0:43] <AC`97> Datalink: cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[0:43] <rigel> this is the only java thing i need to run, so its not like im invested in running a jvm
[0:43] <rigel> thats why i ask
[0:43] <des2> rigel does the pi have enough memory for it ?
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[0:43] <rigel> des2: clearly not
[0:44] * Datalink tries the crazy... java -jar Tekkit.jar
[0:44] <rigel> though i honestly dont see what needs so much memory
[0:44] <rigel> the package in question is davmail, if anyone is curious
[0:44] <Datalink> I will be scared if tekkit server loads on my pi...
[0:45] <Datalink> ....
[0:45] <Datalink> it ran o.o
[0:45] <trevorman> it'll start but just wait for when it loads/generates a world :P
[0:45] <Datalink> trevorman, haha, yeah, I expect this to fail... one of the fun things about a dev system like the pi, you can fail
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[0:45] <Datalink> failing is part of the fun of learning XD
[0:46] <trevorman> not tried it myself but apparently you can make it playable but only with a couple people online
[0:46] <Datalink> I actually wish I could find a distributed processor system that'd be able to handle real time jobs... paravirtualization isn't something I'm experienced in though
[0:46] <trevorman> any more than that and it wants too much memory and starts to swap like crazy
[0:46] <Datalink> which for a SD based system is bad, yeah
[0:47] <Datalink> 17:47:05 [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 0%
[0:47] <des2> There are no benchmarks showing JVM-based programs using less memory than most any other roughly equivalent programs on different runtimes. The JVM's reputation as a pig also comes from people's personal experiences -- even a simple email proxy (davmail) is easily at 100mb resident, over 1gb virtual.
[0:47] <Datalink> 17:46:36 was when it started, let's see how long it'll take
[0:47] <des2> From http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2435484
[0:48] * Datalink goes to play on a friend's MC server while waiting for the pi to finish generating
[0:49] <Datalink> I still need to figure out a way to add a block in Minecraft that'll interface my GPIO with the redpower's bundled cable
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[0:51] <Mihaylov> chithead mmm the thing is that the hub can be used as a not powered one
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[0:54] <AC`97> Mihaylov: power supply issue.
[0:54] <Mihaylov> woah
[0:54] <AC`97> sounds like you need to power the pi from the same hub
[0:54] <AC`97> or at least get both of them to use power from a single source
[0:55] <Mihaylov> ???
[0:55] <Mihaylov> I power the pi from a 1 A adapter
[0:55] <AC`97> then power the hub from the same adapter.
[0:55] <Mihaylov> and the hub from another one
[0:55] <Datalink> you're still limited by the onboard regulator to 700ma
[0:55] <chithead> try a different adapter
[0:55] <chithead> some adapters let the voltage drop too much under load
[0:56] <AC`97> Mihaylov: got a multimeter?
[0:56] <Mihaylov> well I could put 6v (on the hub)
[0:56] <Mihaylov> yes i do
[0:56] <AC`97> measure voltage difference between hub ground and RPi ground
[0:57] <AC`97> if dc shows almost 0, try measuring ac
[0:57] <AC`97> if it shows 5v or -5v, then problem :P
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[0:59] <chithead> you can measure voltage beween "5V power" and "ground" from the pin header http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals if it drops below 4.9V you need a different power supply
[1:00] <Mihaylov> mmm what kind of power supply?
[1:00] <AC`97> 5v.
[1:00] <AC`97> like perhaps one of those lab supplies that put out 50A @ 5v
[1:01] <chithead> try all usb power supplies that you have which are rated for at least 700mA
[1:01] <AC`97> chithead: i don't think it's the actual power supply causing problems though
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[1:02] <Mihaylov> I think it could be
[1:02] <Mihaylov> because its a universal one
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[1:02] <AC`97> with micro-usb connector ??
[1:03] <Mihaylov> no the round one
[1:03] <AC`97> O.o
[1:03] <Mihaylov> like the one that routers have
[1:03] <AC`97> how do you get the power into the pi??
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[1:04] <Mihaylov> with this http://arch3.okr.ro/auctions.v3/700_700/2011/01/19/c/3/644286967768001984206823-5762081-700_700.jpg
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[1:05] <AC`97> oh
[1:05] <AC`97> there's something else you can try... like isolating the hub's 5v from RPi's 5v
[1:05] <AC`97> place a tape or small strip of paper over the 5v pin on the usb cable
[1:06] <Mihaylov> wait ill measure the hubs adapter output
[1:06] <AC`97> or strip the outer layer of the cable and cut the power line :P
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[1:06] <AC`97> perhaps your hub is backfeeding 6v into the RPi, and tripping the fuses
[1:07] <AC`97> (no clue)
[1:07] <Mihaylov> WHAT THE F
[1:07] <Mihaylov> 7V?
[1:07] <Mihaylov> it outputs 7V
[1:07] <AC`97> or 7v.
[1:07] <des2> uh oh
[1:07] <Mihaylov> but its not listed as a 7v adapter
[1:07] <AC`97> Mihaylov: can you measure from the hub's usb side?
[1:08] <Mihaylov> What do you mean
[1:08] <des2> Does it have a brand name or was it made in someone's kitchen in China ?
[1:08] <AC`97> plug power adapter into hub, and measure voltage at one of the hub's output ports
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[1:09] <AC`97> some cheapo 5v "chargers" can output as much as 9v, or perhaps more
[1:09] <misterhat> wow
[1:10] <Mihaylov> Its not a cheap one
[1:10] <bircoe> Mihaylov, are you measuring with or without load?
[1:10] <AC`97> without load, probably.
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[1:11] <japro> well, its giving you two extra volts... you get more volts for your money....
[1:11] <japro> isn't that why you buy a quality product
[1:11] <des2> lol
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[1:11] <AC`97> more bang for the bucks :D
[1:11] <AC`97> with magic smoke
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[1:12] <Mihaylov> ahaha
[1:12] <Mihaylov> I managed to drop the voltage to 5,4v
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[1:12] <Mihaylov> from the power supply
[1:12] <AC`97> O.o drop how
[1:12] <scummos> short it
[1:13] <AC`97> with a 1/4th watt resistor? XD
[1:13] <IT_Sean> O_O
[1:13] <AC`97> IT_Sean: know any python gods?
[1:13] <Mihaylov> potenciometer
[1:13] <bircoe> Mihaylov, put down the electronics!
[1:13] <AC`97> Mihaylov: watch that value drop to 2v and your potentiometer burn out when you put load on it
[1:13] <AC`97> >:D
[1:13] <IT_Sean> Sorry, i belong to the chruch of our lady of perpetual motion.
[1:13] <scummos> AC`97: with a cable
[1:14] <IT_Sean> dunno about your heathen programming gods.
[1:14] <AC`97> IT_Sean: i needs halp with pcapy. my hardware is ready to pwn, but software is not D:
[1:14] <Mihaylov> wow... even the keyboard stops working when the hub is plugged
[1:14] <japro> you could use one of those voltage converters 7805 or so
[1:14] <bircoe> remove the potentiometer
[1:15] <AC`97> japro: i call them voltage burners
[1:15] <Blu3Knight> Hello All
[1:15] <bircoe> pots are only rated for a few mA
[1:15] <bircoe> 7805 = ewww... switch mode all the way
[1:15] <des2> 7805 needs about 2.5 volts for dropout.
[1:15] <AC`97> bircoe: orly? i have a tiny multiturn pot controlling my fan at idle
[1:16] <bircoe> you must only be pulling a few mA through it!
[1:16] <AC`97> i think more than that :P
[1:16] <scummos> I think it was just recently discussed that you cannot use a resistor or potentiometer for voltage control ;P
[1:16] <AC`97> the fan draws half an amp at full power
[1:16] <AC`97> and can fly if not bolted down
[1:16] <AC`97> (or in my case, gorilla-glued)
[1:17] * SpeedEvil drops a rheostat on scummos .
[1:17] <scummos> you need like an opamp and a transistor
[1:17] <bircoe> sounds like luck to me... it'll burn out sooner or later
[1:17] <AC`97> possibly.
[1:17] <japro> and should be seriously hot
[1:17] * AC`97 checks temperature
[1:17] <AC`97> warm.
[1:17] <scummos> SpeedEvil: it will still not keep the voltage steady if a different load is attached :)
[1:17] <des2> A nice white led would drop about 2 volts
[1:17] <AC`97> but not sure whether that's caused by pi heat or not
[1:17] <bircoe> urly!
[1:18] <bircoe> des2, good luck pulling 700mA through an LED!
[1:18] <SpeedEvil> scummos: and yes. you need the current through the pot to eqal the reciprocal of the required regulation times the load current.
[1:18] <scummos> there's easily 1A LEDs out there
[1:18] <Mihaylov> I hate this hub
[1:18] <bircoe> you'd be better off with 1N4004, diode, it will drop 1.3v and is good for an amp
[1:19] <AC`97> scummos: CREE XP-E ?
[1:19] <scummos> SpeedEvil: that's a pretty complicated formulation, but yeah
[1:19] <scummos> :D
[1:19] <bircoe> so you want to light a room to drop a couple of volts?
[1:19] <SpeedEvil> I have a 3.5mm*3.5mm 10w led that draws 3.5a
[1:19] <scummos> AC`97: what's that
[1:19] <AC`97> scummos: an led.
[1:19] <AC`97> also, i meant XP-G
[1:19] <scummos> ok
[1:19] <scummos> ;P
[1:19] <SpeedEvil> XML++
[1:19] <bircoe> they are soft... XM-L!!
[1:19] <SpeedEvil> xml
[1:20] <AC`97> XM-L too much current D:
[1:20] <des2> heh.
[1:20] <AC`97> i burn ants with my XM-L
[1:20] <des2> He really just needs another adapter.
[1:20] <des2> Or a low dropout regulator
[1:21] <scummos> what's the pi's idle power usage?
[1:21] <bircoe> 400-500mA
[1:21] <SpeedEvil> scummos: lousy
[1:21] <bircoe> depending on OS
[1:21] <scummos> ok
[1:21] <AC`97> scummos: ~2 watts
[1:21] <scummos> ok
[1:21] <scummos> thanks
[1:22] <SpeedEvil> most of this is wasted in the regulators
[1:22] <scummos> really? okay
[1:22] <bircoe> yes it is
[1:22] <scummos> how much, roughly?
[1:22] <SpeedEvil> but the core isn't very efficient.
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[1:22] <bircoe> the 3.3v reg is has a 1.3v dropout
[1:22] <AC`97> perhaps about half a watt?
[1:22] <SpeedEvil> 70% plus
[1:22] * AC`97 has no clue
[1:22] <scummos> okay
[1:22] <bircoe> really shoul dhave switchmode regs
[1:22] * AC`97 is electronics illiterate
[1:22] <AC`97> check google for people who replaced the regulators with switching ones
[1:22] <bircoe> but to meet the target price i can understand why it has linear regs
[1:23] <IT_Sean> AC`97: are you just... sort of generally illeterate, in general? or is it just electronicals?
[1:23] <AC`97> i illiterate in everythang
[1:23] <des2> He just don't know what the work illiterate means...
[1:23] <japro> so he is a illiterate illiterate?
[1:23] <AC`97> ill iterated?
[1:23] <bircoe> except illiteracy
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[1:28] <Datalink> 60% generated of my MC world... on my Pi
[1:28] <Datalink> it's running a lot of mods since it's Tekkit though
[1:28] <AC`97> Datalink: check temperature :P
[1:28] <AC`97> also, how much overclock ??
[1:29] <Mihaylov> Dry ice for rpi
[1:29] <IT_Sean> how long has it been percolating?
[1:29] <plugwash> IIRC the core voltage on the Pi IS supplied by a switcher
[1:29] <AC`97> Mihaylov: i tried liquid nitrogen once
[1:29] <Mihaylov> on pi?
[1:29] <Mihaylov> lol
[1:29] <Datalink> warm but I still have fingerprints
[1:29] <AC`97> yes
[1:29] <plugwash> it's only the 3.3 and 1.8 that are linear
[1:29] <AC`97> i didn't do any temperature measurements though :|
[1:29] <Datalink> 17:46:36 was when it started, still working, and it's 18:29 now
[1:30] <Datalink> no overclock
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[1:30] <AC`97> Datalink: check temp with command :P
[1:30] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: it's not
[1:30] <AC`97> Datalink:
[1:30] <AC`97> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[1:30] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: all the regs are linear
[1:30] <Datalink> idle is 39C, it's 41.2C now
[1:30] <Datalink> yeah I knwo
[1:30] <Datalink> I had to open a second ssh term
[1:30] <AC`97> impossibru D:
[1:30] <Datalink> I should be running the world locally
[1:31] <Datalink> no overclock
[1:31] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: the core voltage is an internal SMPS
[1:31] <SpeedEvil> plugwash: so if the core is 0.9v, then over 80% is wasted
[1:31] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: it's an internal linear as I understand it,
[1:31] <AC`97> switching.
[1:31] <Datalink> 17:46:36 start 18:31:49 [INFO] Preparing spawn area: 65%
[1:32] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: its marked as SMPS on the schematic and current_limit_override says SMPS as well
[1:32] <Mihaylov> maybe its the usb hub
[1:32] <Mihaylov> now the laptop can??t recognise it
[1:32] <Datalink> meweeehee I should have done this on console... SSH might be taking up a bit of the processor
[1:33] <trevorman> unusual also to have an inductor on the output of an internal linear reg
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[1:33] <SpeedEvil> k
[1:33] <Datalink> ps aux says it's 59% mem, 99% CPU though
[1:33] <SpeedEvil> 'd not read the schematic as I ashukd
[1:33] <SpeedEvil> too much boring shit to do
[1:36] * Xark notes this article was interesting (RS blaming RPi for low profit) -> http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/09/28/electrocomponents-creamed-by-raspberry-pi/
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[1:37] <SpeedEvil> if you have more throughput at low margin, your overall margin stops
[1:37] <SpeedEvil> drops
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[1:39] <des2> Why can't we justg buy them direct from China like all the other ebay electronics ?
[1:39] <misterhat> aren't they manufactured in UK
[1:39] <sakax> of course not
[1:39] <IT_Sean> the Pi?
[1:39] <misterhat> oh
[1:39] <IT_Sean> Yeah, they are now
[1:39] <misterhat> k
[1:39] <des2> Yes at the Sony plant
[1:39] <misterhat> yeah they got a bunch of happy people there now
[1:39] <trevorman> at least Farnell ones are UK. idk what RS is doing.
[1:40] <sakax> packaging doesnt count as manufacturing :)
[1:40] <olliea95> Hey, are there any known issues with the firmware/kernel for Arch? Flashed the image, ran an update (updated firmware and kernel as well as several other things) and no longer boots. Tried replacing start.elf/kernel.img etc. on /boot with the github firmware files but then I get the pi logo and 'Welcome to Arch Linux Arm'.
[1:40] <misterhat> arch doesn't support hard float
[1:41] <trevorman> sakax: they're definitely manufactured in the UK
[1:41] <chithead> I think arch recently published an armv6 hardfloat image
[1:41] <misterhat> chithead: really?
[1:41] <trevorman> unless you want everything including the chips to be fabricated in the UK as well
[1:41] <misterhat> that'd be great
[1:41] <chithead> http://archlinuxarm.org/platforms/armv6/raspberry-pi
[1:41] <misterhat> i love arch but never used it on the pi cause it didn't support hard float
[1:41] <Hexxeh> has anyone actually killed a pi by overvolting yet?
[1:41] <chithead> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/images/archlinuxarm/archlinux-hf-2012-09-18/archlinux-hf-2012-09-18.zip
[1:41] <olliea95> It does support hard float
[1:41] <misterhat> wow awesome
[1:42] <misterhat> like 2 weeks ago it didn't
[1:42] <AC`97> :]
[1:42] <trevorman> Hexxeh: not heard of anybody killing it but not sure if anybody has ever tried the maximum overvolt
[1:42] <olliea95> Yeah, new thing :)
[1:42] <misterhat> great stuff
[1:42] <Hexxeh> trevorman: i'm sure somebody has by now
[1:42] <misterhat> i gotta try it out soon
[1:42] <Hexxeh> apparently dom runs his at 1ghz, has been doing forever
[1:42] <misterhat> i'd rather not use bloated raspbian
[1:42] <olliea95> Anyone else's Arch died because of the recent firmware/kernel update?
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[1:42] <trevorman> Hexxeh: is that with the maximum in turbo or the maximum in non turbo?
[1:43] <Hexxeh> trevorman: dom's?
[1:43] <trevorman> yeah
[1:43] <trevorman> there is a difference
[1:43] <Hexxeh> he's been doing it since before turbo mode existed
[1:43] <misterhat> does new arch support overclocking the same way?
[1:43] <Hexxeh> misterhat: yeah it's a firmware thing
[1:43] <misterhat> great
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[1:43] <Hexxeh> be sure to run rpi-update
[1:43] <Hexxeh> to get the latest firmware
[1:44] <misterhat> i haven't installed it yet
[1:44] <misterhat> i'll be getting latest
[1:44] <misterhat> i hope
[1:44] <misterhat> :P
[1:44] <Hexxeh> latest on arch image != latest firmware
[1:44] <misterhat> alright
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[1:44] <misterhat> well yeah i'll run it then
[1:44] <olliea95> Doesn't pacman -Syu update firmware too?
[1:44] <Hexxeh> olliea95: depends how often they package?
[1:45] <AC`97> how can i tell whether hardfloat is available?
[1:45] <Hexxeh> or update their pkgbuild stuff
[1:45] <AC`97> (or enabled)
[1:45] <Hexxeh> AC`97: readelf
[1:45] <AC`97> oh. thanks :D
[1:45] <olliea95> 3.2.27-8 is what its saying the most recent is. Not sure if that's correct?
[1:45] <trevorman> Hexxeh: it says he only did overvolt +6
[1:45] <Hexxeh> trevorman: hmm, fair enough, running 8 here, let's see how it goes
[1:45] <olliea95> Ignore that, wrong number, 20120926
[1:45] <olliea95> Is most recent
[1:45] <Hexxeh> 1.35v instead of 1.3v
[1:45] <Datalink> datalink@raspberrypi ~ $ vcgencmd measure_temp&& ps aux|grep 2298 | temp=41.2'C | datalink 2298 99.0 59.6 267448 141772 pts/0 Sl+ 17:44 60:21 java -jar Tekkit.jar
[1:46] <trevorman> yeah
[1:46] <Datalink> still grinding at 81%
[1:46] <trevorman> Datalink: you'd need to load the VC side as well to get maximum temperature
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[1:47] <boboysdadda> hey all
[1:47] <Datalink> trevorman, haha, yeah XD
[1:47] <Datalink> seems stable at 41~ though
[1:47] <Datalink> under this max load test
[1:48] <boboysdadda> anyone tried to turn rpi into a multiple drive nas box yet?
[1:48] <trevorman> Datalink: I would say load up the MC client but nowhere near enough memory
[1:49] <trevorman> Datalink: don't walk out of the spawn area if you do decide to play. on the fly generation will be slow
[1:49] <Datalink> I know
[1:49] <Datalink> literally expect to see holes that'll take hours to fill if I wander
[1:49] <trevorman> lol
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[1:53] <cuppsy> I have a Pi running Rapsbian and RetroPie. It boots and runs with an Xbox 360 controller... was wondering if anyone had any idea if I could map a command to the controller to shut down the Pi? I feel like it's not good to just power off while running emulationstation.
[1:54] <SpeedEvil> there is no way to hardware power off the pi
[1:54] <SpeedEvil> or do you just mean halt
[1:55] <Datalink> you could write a script that'd 'sudo shutdown -h now'
[1:55] <Datalink> but yeah, it just haults, you'd still have to remove power
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[1:55] <Datalink> and yeah, it is safer to shut it down properly
[1:55] <IT_Sean> if it is plugged in, it is powered on. You may be able to halt the OS, but, you cannot physically power it down remotely without some osrt ontrol mechanism external to the Pi itself.
[1:56] <IT_Sean> *some sort of power control
[1:56] <boboysdadda> IT_Sean: what about ssh in and sudo init 0
[1:56] <boboysdadda> would that halt it?
[1:56] <cuppsy> Halting is fine. I just wanna use the Pi as a standalone console... so there's no keyboard attached. So I wasn't sure if there was some way using xbodrv to pass init 0 to the Pi?
[1:56] * IT_Sean shrugs
[1:56] <Datalink> boboysdadda, sudo shutdown -h now
[1:56] <boboysdadda> i know init 6 works
[1:56] <AC`97> suicide relay? :D
[1:57] <Datalink> I don't know the scripting mechanism of xbodrv so I wouldn't know there
[1:57] <boboysdadda> lol cuppsy mentioned it before me
[1:57] <Datalink> heh, I wanted to make the last script in my rc.6 be 'turn off TV'
[1:57] <Datalink> then I could just use my TV's USB port to power my pi
[1:57] <Datalink> wait, not rc.6 rc.0
[1:57] <Datalink> mybad
[1:59] <IT_Sean> be sure your TVs USB port is capable of running the Pi
[1:59] <IT_Sean> must output at least 750mA
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[2:00] <misterhat> i've been running fine on 700ma
[2:00] <Datalink> IT_Sean, this one's got a good regulator, it does
[2:00] <Datalink> 700mA is what specs say too...
[2:00] <misterhat> yeh
[2:00] <misterhat> phone charger
[2:00] <Datalink> ultimately I do want to switch to breadboard power supply
[2:01] <Datalink> but I have to find out if I can feed power into the Pi through the 5V pins safely, last time I tried, I got flickering on my BlinkM, but I think that was the Arduino's regulator
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[2:01] <Datalink> if I can run it off that pin, I will make a high amperage latch circuit
[2:03] <japro> can the rpi hardware decode mp3 vorbis etc?
[2:03] <misterhat> pretty sure it can do vorbis
[2:03] <AC`97> so, i'm about to convert my system to hardfloat within RPi. good idea or bad idea ??
[2:03] <misterhat> great idea
[2:03] <misterhat> good luck
[2:04] <des2> Go for it
[2:04] <AC`97> think it'll work?
[2:04] <des2> no
[2:04] <AC`97> ...
[2:04] <misterhat> report back to us
[2:04] <misterhat> on status
[2:04] <AC`97> will do.
[2:05] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120930170527.png FUUUUUUUUUUUU
[2:06] <boboysdadda> no bueno
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[2:08] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[2:19] <steve_rox> anyone know a name of a prog that would make the PI a proxy server?
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[2:21] <SpeedEvil> SSH
[2:23] <steve_rox> no i need to run a proxy server for a friend
[2:23] <steve_rox> his isp is limited him
[2:23] <McBofh> steve_rox: privoxy, perhaps?
[2:23] <steve_rox> ill search the name
[2:24] <steve_rox> its like i know what i want but not the names of the progs i need
[2:24] <steve_rox> im too new to linux
[2:24] <McBofh> www.privoxy.org
[2:24] <steve_rox> thanks :-)
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[2:30] <AC`97> so uh.. turns out that converting to armv6h would take a lil more work XD
[2:30] <AC`97> but i'll try it anyways.
[2:30] <AC`97> doing one final backup first . . .
[2:30] <steve_rox> now im wondering what file ver to download and are deb files some kinda archive?
[2:31] <AC`97> steve_rox: yes.
[2:32] <steve_rox> ill check one out
[2:32] <McBofh> steve_rox: read the manpage for the 'dpkg' command, along with 'apt-get'
[2:32] <chithead> I don't think converting from soft to hardfloat is a good idea
[2:33] <chithead> reinstalling would probably be the way to go
[2:33] <AC`97> orly
[2:33] <AC`97> watch me do it >:D
[2:34] <McBofh> steve_rox: to start with, http://www.debianadmin.com/debianubuntu-package-management-using-dpkg.html
[2:34] * McBofh wanders off
[2:34] <steve_rox> thanks again :-)
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[2:40] <misterhat> ughh
[2:40] <misterhat> the pi is sooo slow at compiles
[2:42] <des2> I think most compiler slowness is loading header files.
[2:42] <AC`97> oh wow. here goes my move from regular arm to armv6h!
[2:42] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120930174206.png
[2:42] * AC`97 presses Y.
[2:43] <des2> heh. It's only a gig.
[2:43] <AC`97> indeed.
[2:43] <AC`97> i had to leave out: aircrack-ng fusecompress nbench-byte omxplayer pcapy pcmciautils tcp_wrappers
[2:44] <AC`97> i shall recompile those afterwards
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[2:44] <AC`97> ... if my system is still alive after...
[2:44] <AC`97> if not, i guess i can have my first try at restoring a backup.
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[2:47] <AC`97> how many people think i'll succeed, and how many think i'll fail? :D
[2:47] <AC`97> ^ POLL
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[2:48] <chithead> I think it will be a mixed success
[2:48] <AC`97> how so? o.o
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[2:50] <AC`97> doing gps calculations and stuff is better with hardfloat, right?
[2:51] <AC`97> i wonder if gpsd would use less cpu...
[2:54] <axion> AC`97: try packer instead of yaourt. it is faster, much cleaner code, more integrated, and has a look and feel like pacman.
[2:54] <AC`97> but everyone uses yaourt D:
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[2:57] <AC`97> 73% downloaded...
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[2:59] <Datalink> 17:46:36 start 19:28:17 [SEVERE] java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
[3:00] <Datalink> happened during world 2 (End) creation
[3:00] <AC`97> lol
[3:00] <AC`97> it took so long to fail
[3:00] <Datalink> I know...
[3:00] <AC`97> will mine fail? XD
[3:00] <AC`97> 94% downloaded...
[3:01] <Datalink> haha, was a fun experiment though, I bet it'll finish since it did the work on the world and nether
[3:01] <Datalink> woah, it's still running...
[3:01] <AC`97> O.o
[3:01] <AC`97> FUUUUUUUUUU
[3:02] <Datalink> datalink 2298 75.9 63.8 267588 151776 pts/0 Sl+ 17:44 104:12 java -jar Tekkit.jar
[3:02] <AC`97> all that downloading for nothing
[3:02] <Datalink> ?
[3:02] <Datalink> didn't have a running JVM?
[3:02] <AC`97> i had been downloading packages for the wrong architecture
[3:02] <Datalink> OUCH
[3:02] * AC`97 redownloads.
[3:02] <AC`97> from 98% back to 0%.
[3:03] <Datalink> XD so close... then so far
[3:03] <Datalink> could be worse though
[3:03] <AC`97> indeed :|
[3:03] <Datalink> HCF on a 6502, for example
[3:04] <AC`97> what be that? o.o
[3:04] <Datalink> it's an instruction for 6502 that would hault the processor and throw it into a burn in test of some sort...
[3:04] <Datalink> the name is supposed to be hault, cease function, but it's better known as hault, catch fire
[3:05] <AC`97> lol
[3:05] <Datalink> as the latter's fairly descriptive of the execution of the code
[3:06] <trevorman> it was for the 6800 and it wasn't a documented instruction
[3:06] <AC`97> so uh.. is there no wiringpi for hardfloat? :|
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[3:17] <Datalink> AC`97, I'm on hardfloat and I got wiringpi okay
[3:17] <AC`97> archlinux? :P
[3:17] <Datalink> raspbian
[3:17] <AC`97> eww
[3:18] <Datalink> I'd rather beon a RH distro, so hush
[3:18] <AC`97> lol
[3:18] <Datalink> I was trained in the redhat side, SuSE, CentOS
[3:18] <techman2> any word on Fedora 17 for the pi?
[3:18] <AC`97> yesssh, correct architecture packages downloaded~
[3:18] <Datalink> apt-get is at least not hard to learn after yum or yast
[3:19] <steve_rox> i had limited results with that proxy prog , seems to load a open insecure proxy
[3:19] <steve_rox> wanted to install it on pi but i was forced to use win32
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[3:21] <AC`97> installing... so far so good
[3:21] <AC`97> except for my fan control script going crazy...
[3:23] <AC`97> and a dhcpcd[17084]: /usr/lib/dhcpcd/dhcpcd-run-hooks: No such file or directory
[3:24] <AC`97> ~30% done!
[3:26] <AC`97> ~60% done!
[3:26] <AC`97> http://ss.edited.us/120930182620.png epic win
[3:27] <Datalink> hm, fan controller, I'll have to get a transistor and some other components and build a fan driver for my pi now :P
[3:28] <AC`97> oh crap. i think i really broke my system now.
[3:28] <AC`97> mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt - cmd12
[3:28] <AC`97> mmcblk0: error -110 sending stop command, original cmd response 0x900, card status 0xf00
[3:28] <Datalink> worse comes to worse you can remake the SD
[3:28] <AC`97> ...
[3:29] <AC`97> ... and it just froze. watchdog rebooted pi
[3:29] <AC`97> and now it's dead~
[3:29] <AC`97> ohwait. it booted D:
[3:29] <Datalink> OpenJDK Zero VM (build 22.0-b10, mixed mode)
[3:29] <AC`97> wtf
[3:29] <Datalink> hm, what's mixed mode?
[3:30] <AC`97> so, my pi booted. but no wifi.
[3:32] <lannocc> Datalink: Is that OpenJDK on R.Pi? What distro are you using?
[3:33] <Datalink> raspbian
[3:33] <lannocc> cool. I got gcj-jdk on mine (Gentoo) but I've been looking for something else that works.
[3:34] <Datalink> I want to find one that uses the hardware Java support
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[3:34] <lannocc> there's hardware support?
[3:35] <chithead> the bcm2835 supports jazelle
[3:35] <lannocc> i think it'd be cool if I could get Tomcat running
[3:35] <chithead> however the oracle jdk does not enable it, and I think there is no firmware that allows access
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[3:36] <Datalink> which'd be stupid but cpuinfo shows support
[3:37] <lannocc> very interesting
[3:37] <Datalink> Features : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java tls
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[3:41] <trevorman> jazelle is a dead technology. nothing uses it.
[3:41] <chithead> apparently it still ticks a lot of checkboxes
[3:42] <AC`97> chithead: you were right about my lil arch conversion. mixed success.
[3:42] <trevorman> its been taken out of the new ARM spec
[3:42] <AC`97> it went well until the sd card decided to go corrupty.
[3:42] <Datalink> hm, how do we change the color gradient at boot, or is that firmware?
[3:42] <AC`97> Datalink: probably firmware.
[3:42] <Datalink> blag
[3:44] <trevorman> and even when it was still current, nobody used it. you needed to pay license fees to ARM to get the special JVM necessary as it wasn't documented.
[3:46] <Datalink> ugh
[3:46] <des2> Way to kill a unique feature and selling point - charge extra for it.
[3:47] <Datalink> hey, I don't mind paying for the hardware license on media decoders... but seriously.. that's a feature of the chipset, why is it extra?
[3:47] <trevorman> Datalink: that was how Sun made their $$$ for embedded Java devices
[3:48] <trevorman> you paid ARM who then paid a portion to Sun
[3:48] <Datalink> ah
[3:49] <trevorman> des2: charge extra, needed OS changes to support it and performance from what I heard wasn't actually that good. a decent JIT compiler had nearly the same performance and you didn't need that extra fee.
[3:49] <lannocc> i would still like to see some sort of JVM kernel module... where the linux kernel has tighter integration of Java threads & processes
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[3:51] <trevorman> lannocc: it wouldn't be using the old Jazelle. you might be able to do it with the new improved ThumbEE mode though.
[3:52] <trevorman> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.faqs/ka13936.html
[3:54] <lannocc> trevorman: as far as i can tell that's all about Jazelle, so pretty much outdated, right?
[3:55] <trevorman> the link wasn't aimed at your line. it was just general background on Jazella and licensing.
[3:55] <trevorman> Jazelle
[3:55] <lannocc> gotcha
[3:56] <lannocc> ThumbEE aka Jazelle RCT. That's not at all confusing, lol.
[3:56] <trevorman> yeah
[3:56] <trevorman> its supposed to speed up JIT compilers
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[4:13] <kn1000> well that's Subsonic running on the pi <3
[4:14] <swecide> kn1000: have you got it to run smooth? For me it's very very sluggish
[4:14] <kn1000> the webui is horrendously slow so far
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[4:14] <swecide> took me like a min just to login haha
[4:15] <kn1000> I'm hoping the android app will be usable
[4:15] <kn1000> all I want it for is MP3 streaming heh
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[4:20] <kn1000> swecide, have you actually tested music streaming with it?
[4:21] <swecide> yup, flac didnt even start
[4:21] <kn1000> did you install ffmpeg and lame arm libs?
[4:21] <swecide> I don't remember, it was a few months back
[4:22] <kn1000> http://mj2p.co.uk/?p=7
[4:22] <swecide> ffmpeg for sure, but I dont know about l??ame arm??????
[4:22] <swecide> lame arm..
[4:23] <swecide> I was mostly hoping to use the jukebox mode on my Pi
[4:24] <swecide> but I've never been able to get that to work on any of my subsonic servers
[4:24] <misterhat> ahh ok
[4:24] <misterhat> i got mame running frogger on the pi
[4:24] <misterhat> a bit slow
[4:24] <misterhat> maybe cause it's such a large resolution
[4:26] <kn1000> strangely underclocking the pi from its max overclock made subsonic faster
[4:26] <kn1000> guess instability
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[4:32] <cuppsy> Anyone know what sick voodoo needs to be performed in order to get a second USB controller working with RetroArch? I have a standard Logitech USB controller and an Xbox 360 one. Both can work as Player 1. But eff me if I wanna have both working at once.
[4:32] <cuppsy> I've got both set in retroarch.cfg, one as player1 and the other as player2.
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[4:32] <cuppsy> I can rearrange them six ways to Sunday, and whichever one is player1 is the only on that works.
[4:33] <cuppsy> And I've tried setting player2's input to #1, #2, #3 in theconfig file... nothing works.
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[4:33] <misterhat> oh uh
[4:34] <misterhat> you need to use different switches
[4:34] <misterhat> for the config prog
[4:34] <AC`97> dpdt?
[4:34] <AC`97> :D
[4:34] <misterhat> use -h
[4:34] <misterhat> you can change which player and which joystick your mapping
[4:35] <cuppsy> misterhat: Use -h where? When running retroarch-joyconfig?
[4:35] <misterhat> yeah just to see what the switch is called
[4:35] <misterhat> retroarch-joyconfig -h
[4:36] <misterhat> then there was something like -p and -j
[4:36] <misterhat> you could select player 1 and joystick 2 for instance
[4:36] <cuppsy> Problem is, I don't have a usb hub. So I originally configured them seperately. Then I plugged them both into my main laptop, and did them together, and scp'd the config over. Unfortunately... with both plugged in... is there a way I can tell what # each USB controller is, via SSH or something?
[4:37] <misterhat> well they're in /dev/input
[4:38] <cuppsy> So currently, I see js0 and js1 in /dev/input
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[4:38] <misterhat> yeah
[4:38] <misterhat> you can do jstest /dev/input/js0
[4:38] <misterhat> you need to apt-get install joystick to get jstest afaik
[4:38] <AC`97> make a script or something... "press button on controller #1"
[4:40] <cuppsy> Installing joystick now... though can I test it over SSH?
[4:40] <misterhat> yeah
[4:41] <cuppsy> So jstest shows them both working, that's a plus... I think.
[4:41] <AC`97> cuppsy: are both controllers the same?
[4:41] <AC`97> if not, /dev/input/by-id/*
[4:41] <AC`97> otherwise, /dev/input/by-path/*
[4:41] <cuppsy> AC`97 Nope. Xbox controller is input1, Logitech is input0.
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[4:42] <AC`97> what's in by-id ?
[4:42] <cuppsy> Logitech twice... once pointing to event0, and once pointing to js0.
[4:42] <asaru> lsusb should tell you what order they're in
[4:42] <asaru> whichever is higher in the list is most likely js0
[4:43] <AC`97> o.o
[4:43] <cerjam> i need to get my gosh darned remote working.
[4:43] <cerjam> i should get that done.
[4:43] <cuppsy> So... both are there, but why would only Logitech be listed in the by-id?
[4:43] <AC`97> no clue. xbox controller nonstandard??
[4:43] <AC`97> what about in by-path ?
[4:43] <asaru> powered hub?
[4:44] <asaru> if not, maybe your pi cant run them both at once
[4:44] <cuppsy> Also... incidentally, despite that, only the 360 controller is currently working. o.O
[4:44] <cuppsy> Not powered. Was worried that might be my issue.
[4:44] <asaru> i have a logitech i cant use at all cause of that
[4:44] <asaru> seems it has force feedback, and tries to draw 500mA
[4:44] <cuppsy> Xbox uses xboxdrv, not just plug and play like the Logitech, fwiw.
[4:44] <misterhat> yeah
[4:45] <AC`97> oh
[4:46] <cuppsy> Crud. Yeah, I can use either one by itself. Either one with my wifi dongle or a keyboard... but just not both together. But both together function when I run jstest.
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[4:46] <cuppsy> Would both responding in jstest mean the Pi is powering both?
[4:46] <AC`97> . . .
[4:46] <cuppsy> *grasping at straws here*
[4:46] <AC`97> both responding at the same time ??
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[4:47] <cuppsy> Not at the same time... but jstest on js0 shows my Logitech, and it responds to all buttons pressed.
[4:47] <cuppsy> js1 works with the Xbox controller and responds accordingly.
[4:47] <AC`97> try them both at the same time. two ssh sessions or something
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[4:50] <cuppsy> Works at the same time.
[4:50] <cuppsy> Two SSH sessions... jstest running on both together.
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[4:52] <cuppsy> Also... while running an emulator, the jstest is still showing responses from both controllers... even when it's not working in the emulator.
[4:53] <cuppsy> Which leaves me thinking something's off in my retroarch config, maybe?
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[4:54] <cuppsy> http://pastebin.com/TFDd66q4 If that makes my explanation any easier.
[4:54] <cuppsy> Do I need to do something in my retroarch.cfg to enable two players maybe?
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[4:59] <cuppsy> Well... I've got one other generic USB controller, though it's only got enough buttons for NES... but lemme try that. Maybe it's something with the 360 controller it doesn't like.
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[5:08] <cuppsy> So even with the two generic USB controllers... same thing.
[5:08] <cuppsy> I can configure whichever one I want as player one... and the other is unresponsive in-game (shows in jstest, however).
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[5:41] <AC`97> here goes my second attempt at converting to armv6h...
[5:41] <AC`97> 32% downloaded...
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[6:02] <midnightyell> armv6h? Changing compilers?
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[6:04] <AC`97> midnightyell: changing whole system
[6:04] <AC`97> from within RPi itself
[6:04] <AC`97> -bash: /usr/bin/sync: No such file or directory
[6:04] <AC`97> wheee~
[6:04] <midnightyell> rebuilding everything?
[6:04] <AC`97> or "reinstalling" everything
[6:04] <midnightyell> heh
[6:04] <AC`97> the first time was a failure. sd card corruption messed it up.
[6:04] <midnightyell> there are easier ways, I would think
[6:05] <AC`97> i want the challenge >:D
[6:05] <AC`97> since most people would say it isn't possible
[6:05] <midnightyell> I understand
[6:05] <steve_rox> weird , quake2 ran okay on the pi stable now it suddenly changes
[6:05] <midnightyell> it's possible, but I would think that you;d have to be careful around shared libraries
[6:05] <AC`97> chroot :P
[6:05] * AC`97 cheats
[6:05] <midnightyell> just to name one thing
[6:06] <midnightyell> ok, sure
[6:06] <steve_rox> chroot?
[6:06] <AC`97> chroot.
[6:06] <midnightyell> it's a type of cigar
[6:06] <AC`97> ^
[6:06] <steve_rox> right
[6:06] <AC`97> it makes you computer literate for a short while
[6:07] <steve_rox> i see :-P
[6:07] <AC`97> installed 36 out of 382 packages so far
[6:07] <midnightyell> my personal challenge is to play with qemu to build some packages. I've done the cross-compile thing until I'm sick of it
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[6:09] <]DMackey[> On this page they show the BYTEmark program, how can I get and install that on my Pi? http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/turbo-mode
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[6:09] <lannocc> midnightyell: i found qemu fairly easy to set up
[6:10] <midnightyell> yep, me too. Had never used it before
[6:10] <lannocc> i created a simple script for chrooting into the ARM environment
[6:10] <Blu3Knight> lannocc: Can you set up multiple qemu on per CPU?
[6:11] <lannocc> blu3knight: you mean have different qemu instances running on different cores on a multi-core machine?
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[6:13] <midnightyell> how long does apt-get upgrade take on a month-old raspian image?
[6:14] <AC`97> not very long.
[6:14] <AC`97> depends on your connection speed, i'd assume
[6:14] <midnightyell> ...it just downloaded 101 packages, and is taking about 20 seconds/package to install
[6:14] <AC`97> got any overclock??
[6:14] <midnightyell> nope
[6:15] <AC`97> i'm on package 106 out of 382 now :D
[6:15] <midnightyell> stock raspian image
[6:15] <AC`97> (with an underclock)
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[6:15] <AC`97> 128 now
[6:15] <AC`97> 136...
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[6:16] <midnightyell> get virtual box running and run an Arm-under-arm VM
[6:16] <lannocc> in case you're interested... my chroot.sh: http://pastebin.com/0T73skQt
[6:17] <midnightyell> busybox? What distro are you running?
[6:17] <Blu3Knight> midnightmagic: Arm-under-arm?
[6:17] <lannocc> it's Gentoo. So you could ignore the mount /usr/portage
[6:18] <Datalink> I need to figure out how to do process parallelization for a process that'll be interacted with by users
[6:18] <lannocc> i'm just using busybox to set up a sane /dev tree in case devices are not already there
[6:19] <midnightyell> I just copy /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static to /mountpoint/usr/bin and then chroot into it
[6:19] <midnightyell> Blu3Knight - an ARM VM running on an ARM host
[6:19] <lannocc> i like to have /proc and /sys bind-mounted for me in the chroot though. This saves a couple steps
[6:19] <Blu3Knight> lannocc: You using Gentoo for the RPI?
[6:20] <lannocc> blu3knight: you bet!
[6:20] <Blu3Knight> lannocc: What is your make.conf
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[6:20] <midnightyell> yeah, having proc look sane would make life a bit easier
[6:20] <lannocc> blu3knight: on the pi itself or on my cross-compile?
[6:20] <Blu3Knight> PI
[6:20] <lannocc> one sec
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[6:24] <lannocc> blu3knight: my make.conf: http://pastebin.com/QBSfgvHt
[6:24] <lannocc> still settling on USE flags but i've run with these the last couple weeks or so
[6:24] <Blu3Knight> gtk enabled?
[6:25] <lannocc> yeah
[6:25] <lannocc> can't remember what might be using it though
[6:26] <lannocc> right now I'm running xfce4 for my window manager but i may try something else soon
[6:26] <Blu3Knight> Yeah??? I usually take notes in my Make.conf or package.use so that I do not forget.
[6:27] <Blu3Knight> So is Qumu working for you?
[6:27] <lannocc> my package.use and package.keywords collect notes, when i need to enable things for an individual package
[6:28] <lannocc> qemu works but it is sloooow
[6:28] <lannocc> i only use it if i really have to
[6:28] <Blu3Knight> Slower then the RPI?
[6:28] <lannocc> my cross-compile builds binaries, and grabs binaries from my Pi. My pi builds binaries, and grabs binaries from my cross-compile. So if my cross-compile server can't compile something i build it on the pi and then merge it in
[6:29] <lannocc> yeah, slower
[6:29] <lannocc> it's only a P3 server though
[6:30] <Blu3Knight> Well my goal is to create a BinHost for RaspPI for Gentoo mostly because I want to run a number of them. Easier to just install things, if I set the common use flags and build specifically for RPI then it could be useful.
[6:31] <lannocc> that's basically what I have. Only my binhost is not public (yet)
[6:35] <AC`97> rebootingggg~
[6:35] <AC`97> hope my armv6h conversion works
[6:36] <AC`97> seems to work so far
[6:41] <misterhat> AC`97: tell me when your pi explodes
[6:41] <AC`97> okee dokee
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[6:43] <Datalink> does anyone have a working video file I could use as a test of omxplayer?
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[6:45] <midnightyell> DMackey: http://www.tux.org/~mayer/linux/bmark.html
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[6:55] <lannocc> datalink: www.hd-trailers.net
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[7:26] <kn1000> Anyone using their pi as a mp3 streamer to their phone or something?
[7:26] <misterhat> probably
[7:26] <kn1000> I've gotten mine working with subsonic but subsonic runs terribly on the raspberry pi
[7:27] <Syliss> lol
[7:27] <thrawed> do people still need that? With services like grooveshark/spotify/google music providing a much better service
[7:27] <kn1000> I've got d00ds music streamer which is quite nice
[7:27] <kn1000> but a lot of the music I listen to is not on there
[7:28] <Syliss> what phone do you have?
[7:28] <thrawed> kn1000: ditto, it's irritating spotify doesn't do free radio in the UK
[7:28] <midnightyell> need is one thing. Making it work because you think it's cool is another thing entirely :)
[7:28] <kn1000> Syliss, ZTE Grand X
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[7:29] <Datalink> did anyone have to do anything special to make omxplayer work?
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[7:30] <Syliss> do you have unlimited data?
[7:30] <kn1000> Syliss, I do!
[7:30] <thrawed> yep
[7:30] <Syliss> ah
[7:31] <kn1000> Three <3
[7:31] <thrawed> me too
[7:32] <Syliss> ah
[7:32] <Syliss> lol
[7:33] <kn1000> I heart d00ds music streamer - it's just missing a lot of music as are all online streaming things
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[7:33] <thrawed> I have a love hate relationship with it
[7:34] <kn1000> glitchy isn't it? xD
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[7:34] <thrawed> a month or so ago it wasn't working at all
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[7:34] <Syliss> i wish i had unlimited data, but usa sucks
[7:34] <kn1000> hilariously glitchy sometimes - Hey, you wanted some drum and bass? Here have some bluegrass instead!
[7:35] <kn1000> it'll swear blind it's playing skrillex when really it's playing country music xD
[7:35] <Syliss> wth
[7:35] <kn1000> really strange occasionally
[7:36] <thrawed> tunein is good
[7:36] <kn1000> what is tunein?
[7:36] <thrawed> internet radio
[7:36] <thrawed> except it has all the normal UK stations aswell
[7:36] <kn1000> hmn - never really been a fan of internet radio myself
[7:36] <Helldesk> try scenesat
[7:37] <thrawed> so, out of range of the FM transmitter for some obscure station in london, have no fear you can stream it
[7:37] <Helldesk> http://scenesat.com/ sounds of the demoscene, mostly
[7:38] <kn1000> sounds interesting
[7:38] <thrawed> kn1000: http://tunein.com/
[7:38] <kn1000> ather than using complex music streaming applications
[7:39] <kn1000> here's mine
[7:39] <kn1000> http://kn100.pearl.feralhosting.com/Wooden%20Heart/
[7:39] <kn1000> xD
[7:39] <kn1000> BARE METAL BROWSING FOLDERS FROM BROWSER
[7:39] <kn1000> ^weird ass album btw
[7:39] <thrawed> kn1000: so your phones browser will stream that instead of just downloading?
[7:40] <kn1000> thrawed, it can do sure
[7:40] <kn1000> (I was joking)
[7:40] <thrawed> just tried on ICS stock browser, it just downloads :/
[7:41] <kn1000> install realplayer
[7:41] <kn1000> then you can stream
[7:41] <thrawed> kn1000: do you use maps a lot on your phone?
[7:42] <kn1000> When I'm out and about yeah, I love it - massively useful when walking places I don't know
[7:42] <kn1000> Why do you ask?
[7:42] <thrawed> I discovered this great app
[7:42] <kwerk> brb
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[7:43] <thrawed> called rmap, it has all tons of maps like openstreetmap which give you much more detail than regular google maps, like public footpaths and the like.
[7:43] <kn1000> thrawed, strange, when I tap one of my songs
[7:43] <kn1000> it gives me two options - local download or online play
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[7:43] <kn1000> stock ICS oto
[7:43] <kn1000> too
[7:44] <kn1000> thrawed, I will have to look into that - is it free?
[7:45] <thrawed> kn1000: http://i.imgur.com/r3MsV.png
[7:45] <thrawed> kn1000: yeah, on the play store.
[7:45] <kn1000> oh wow
[7:46] <thrawed> kn1000: it has tons of weird foreign maps aswell like yandex, but you can disable these from showing up in the list
[7:47] <kn1000> oh wow
[7:47] <kn1000> I love forum posts
[7:47] <kn1000> "ive taken battory out charged it full left bat out for two days and nothing so my warning is dont trust any thing or any one i will sort this my self and as for bin4rys root program f***k u and f***king kick me off site if u must but this is ment to be a forum that helps ppl and all i have had is take bat out i will sort your f***ked up root my self thanks not "
[7:47] <thrawed> it's usually worse on xda
[7:48] <kn1000> that's modaco - I got my Grand X rooted using Bin4ry's exploit, someone else tried it and ended up bootlooping somehow
[7:48] <kn1000> there's no clockworkmod for it yet either LOL
[7:48] <thrawed> yeah clockworkmod is great
[7:49] <kn1000> I wish I knew more about androids core - so much I want to do yet all I've managed is installing google now, dspmanager, and changing the bootanim and start tone
[7:49] <thrawed> I don't have google now
[7:49] <thrawed> still on cm9
[7:50] <kn1000> I'm on pure stock ICS
[7:50] <kn1000> ZTE didn't modify it at all
[7:50] <kn1000> xD
[7:50] <kn1000> lazy buggers
[7:50] <thrawed> wow
[7:50] <thrawed> I wish my phone came stock
[7:50] <thrawed> sense is such bullshit
[7:50] <kn1000> no custom UI, a few included apps but all uninstallable and all useful (Evernote etc)
[7:50] <thrawed> hopefully the next nexus is amazing
[7:50] <kn1000> great phone, just wish there was more dev support for it
[7:51] <thrawed> kn1000: yeah, that's why it's better to go with the popular products, (like the raspberrypi)
[7:51] <kn1000> yeah-- I'm struggling to find uses for mine now though
[7:51] <kn1000> the initial buzz has worn off and its limitations are...limiting
[7:51] <kn1000> xD
[7:51] <thrawed> mine is just sitting around being a web server
[7:52] <kn1000> mine too
[7:52] <thrawed> kn1000: http://pi.dnsd.me/info
[7:52] <kn1000> hehe I had mine doing something similar
[7:53] <kn1000> it's no longer accessible from the internet though - stole the domain it was sitting on for a minecraft server elsewhere and never bothered putting it back
[7:53] <kn1000> one sec
[7:53] <thrawed> http://5e061b86.bb.sky.com/ should work
[7:53] <thrawed> kn1000: what port?
[7:54] <kn1000> the router's not set to port forward to the rpi anymore
[7:54] <kn1000> too lazy to go in and change it xD
[7:54] <thrawed> oh
[7:54] <kn1000> also it'll break the minecraft server I've got hosted
[7:55] <thrawed> you could always forward 8080 and then point a dynamic dns service to it
[7:55] <kn1000> That's sort of what I was doing with kn100.info
[7:55] <kn1000> but because I'm dum lol I can't figure out how to make the subdomains of kn100.info point to different machines on my network
[7:56] <kn1000> so whereas previously all subdomains such as pi.kn100.info dt.kn100.info were all purely cosmetic and pointed towards the pi
[7:56] <kn1000> now they're pointed towards a minecraft server
[7:56] <kn1000> lol
[7:56] <thrawed> you'd still have to point them all to same NAT
[7:56] <thrawed> I'd just point one to :81, :82 or whatever
[7:57] <kn1000> my router has no way of discerning between them though
[7:57] <kn1000> it can only forward ports to specific co....oh
[7:57] <thrawed> O.o really?
[7:57] <kn1000> LOL
[7:57] <kn1000> I'm a dumbass
[7:57] <kn1000> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/614858_3321301525010_797711872_o.jpg < photo of my pi previously if you're interested
[7:57] <thrawed> why the fan?
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[7:58] <kn1000> because it looked hilarious
[7:58] <kn1000> also it got very hot in there (I KNOW I KNOW ARM DOESNT NEED FANS LOLOL) but meh - I don't like hot electronics
[7:58] <kn1000> ah here it was
[7:58] <kn1000> this was my pis web interface
[7:58] <kn1000> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/616977_3365869639185_1247222453_o.jpg
[7:58] <thrawed> my pi is hovering at 45C idle with a case and no cooling
[7:59] <thrawed> kn1000: wow, you designed that yourself?
[7:59] <kn1000> yep
[7:59] <kn1000> well not really xD
[7:59] <thrawed> kevin norman
[7:59] <kn1000> the Icons are part of an iconset called faenza
[7:59] <kn1000> that be me
[8:00] <thrawed> looks loads better than my shitty site I cobbled together
[8:00] <kn1000> also hehe was hosting the pirate bay on my pi
[8:01] <thrawed> I used to use transmission but I found it was a bit much for my pi
[8:01] <kn1000> yeah me too
[8:01] <kn1000> well, transmission would run okay
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[8:01] <thrawed> transmission + samba
[8:01] <kn1000> get about half my total throughput which was barely acceptible - problem was I used it as an XBMC media center too
[8:01] <kn1000> it could do transmission well
[8:01] <kn1000> or it could do xbmc well
[8:02] <thrawed> I wanted to stream from the pi, but I was never happy with the results
[8:02] <thrawed> I should really invest in a NAS
[8:02] <kn1000> me too
[8:02] <AC`97> pogoplug.
[8:02] <kn1000> the pi's lovely and all
[8:02] <kn1000> but it's just too power-limited :(
[8:02] <thrawed> AC`97: it's hard to find the cheap pogoplug in the uk
[8:02] <kn1000> Definitely worth the money, but I'm expecting too much for too little lol
[8:03] <thrawed> I wish the uk sheevaplug wasn't double the price of the american one
[8:03] <thrawed> I'd loooove a sheevaplug
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[8:04] <SIFTU> the pogo is a sheeva
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[8:04] <kn1000> I think as the pi exists people will end up coding more optimized stuff for it
[8:04] <thrawed> SIFTU: no, they're completely different products
[8:04] <kn1000> like subsonic works
[8:04] <kn1000> barely
[8:05] <thrawed> kn1000: I think hexxeh is making a browser based despotify client for it
[8:05] <SIFTU> Hardware : Marvell SheevaPlug Reference Board
[8:05] <kn1000> I can't see why it's such an intensive process - transcoding is not neccessary for me anyway
[8:05] <kn1000> thrawed, interesting
[8:05] <AC`97> BogoMIPS : 1191.11
[8:05] <AC`97> om nom nom
[8:05] <kn1000> my phone gets just over 2000 bogomips now
[8:06] <kn1000> I was so happy with that :3
[8:06] <thrawed> SIFTU: the sheevaplug has esata
[8:06] <SIFTU> thrawed: there are different versions
[8:06] <SIFTU> thrawed: some of the pogos have sata
[8:06] <SIFTU> like the pro
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[8:06] <SIFTU> thrawed: I dumped that right off my pogoplug
[8:07] <AC`97> Hardware : Pogoplug E02
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[8:07] <thrawed> SIFTU: You're talking about this right? http://software.intel.com/sites/default/files/m/1/d/e/pogoplug_v2_front.jpg
[8:07] <AC`97> eww it's pink
[8:07] <SIFTU> thrawed: yeah thats what I have
[8:07] <SIFTU> minus the pink
[8:08] <thrawed> AC`97: pink = cheaper
[8:08] <AC`97> lol
[8:08] <kn1000> What's the best bittorrent client to be running on the pi
[8:08] <SIFTU> rtorrent
[8:08] <AC`97> rtorrent
[8:08] <kn1000> rtorrent it is
[8:08] <kn1000> gonna turn it back into a media center, screw it why not
[8:08] <AC`97> what a waste :P
[8:08] <SIFTU> thrawed: http://tech.eternj.net/2011/09/use-sata-port-on-pogoplug-pro/
[8:08] <kn1000> AC`97, I dunno what else to do with it xD
[8:09] <kn1000> it's just too slow for most stuff I want to do with it
[8:09] <AC`97> kn1000: optimize.
[8:09] <SIFTU> thrawed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug
[8:09] <kn1000> AC`97, poop
[8:09] <AC`97> poo
[8:10] <kn1000> actually screw it, that sounds like a good project. browser based streaming application optimized to run on the pi
[8:10] <kn1000> no fancy stuff, just literal mp3 piping into some sort of player with a nice interface, why not
[8:11] <AC`97> (:
[8:11] <AC`97> mpd.
[8:12] <SIFTU> yep +1 mpd
[8:18] <kn1000> ...
[8:18] <kn1000> I cannot believe I forgot that mpd was a server/client setup
[8:18] <kn1000> wow
[8:18] <kn1000> there's my solution
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[9:00] <Ademan> Does anyone here use a class 2 sd card?
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[9:10] <pepijndevos> ohno!
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[9:11] <pepijndevos> I did apt-get install blabla and rebooted. Now I can't access my raspi anymore
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[9:11] <pepijndevos> Last werid thing I noticed is that in perl hostname.pl was not found
[9:13] <pepijndevos> well. since I don't have a screen, the only thing I can do is take the card out and put a new image on it, or try modifying config files
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[9:49] <Datalink> blah, now I feel like a noob, how do I run a .patch?
[9:49] <Datalink> found it
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[9:52] <PiRocketman> Anyone else playing around with the new Raspbmc?
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[9:55] <PiRocketman> RC5 just came out tonight
[9:59] <Datalink> I'm trying to figure out how to make a version of cmatrix that shows fonts...
[9:59] <gordonDrogon> morning 3.14's
[10:00] <Datalink> found a kbd patch but compiling's not taking, getting ncurses errors, and X.org is a lot different than the old X11R6 so it can't find fonts
[10:00] <Datalink> which means I'll have to patch that too
[10:00] <Datalink> hey
[10:01] <Hoerie> <+PiRocketman> RC5 just came out tonight <-- good to hear
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[10:02] <Datalink> then again, I'm trying to hack a feature that got replaced into code that's 10 years old
[10:02] <Hoerie> I wonder if it fixes audio, cause I'm getting fed up with the warbling - it's like listening to badly stretched vhs tapes sometimes
[10:02] <PiRocketman> analog audio is much improved
[10:02] <Datalink> cmatrix was last committed to on it's repro 10 years ago... I feel real old now
[10:02] <Hoerie> I listen over hdmi though ;-)
[10:03] <PiRocketman> Still not great, but it incorporates all the fixes from latest firmware
[10:03] <Hoerie> whenever video or audio starts, there a short warble
[10:03] <PiRocketman> Are you passing the audio through via HDMI and decoding with a receiver?
[10:03] <Hoerie> no
[10:04] <Hoerie> raspberry pi -> tv -> stereo amp
[10:04] <Hoerie> listening to mp3s already makes it obvious, let alone 5.1 ac3 in films
[10:05] <PiRocketman> I really should upgrade my home theater with a receiver that supports hdmi audio and video switching.
[10:05] <Hoerie> I know the pi doesn't handle downmixing to stereo well, but it seems my tv does that
[10:06] <PiRocketman> Right now video goes straight through and analog HDMI switch to my projector and audio is a completely separate path through my receiver.
[10:06] <Hoerie> wouldn't that cause a delay between audio and video?
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[10:07] <PiRocketman> I've never noticed significant skew. My htpc is PC based.
[10:07] <GGon> so. anybody get gentoo going yet?
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[10:08] <PiRocketman> Raspbmc isn't fluid enough for me to even consider replacing it yet.
[10:08] <GGon> try openelec
[10:08] <PiRocketman> VLC has good skew compensation you can enable as well, if I ever notice anything.
[10:09] <Hoerie> I don't mind the slow UI much, compared to waiting for my ps3 to build folder lists from a NAS it is about equal
[10:09] <GGon> the 3 major xbmc distros arent so bad after you oc
[10:09] <Hoerie> my main problem is with xbmc's lack of thought out UI, it is really confusing if you are used to pc video stuff as opposed to settop boxes
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[10:10] <PiRocketman> My HTPC is a Core i7 with a pretty high end GPU. I don't like slow down for nothing. It is total overkill.
[10:10] <GGon> biggest problem i saw were the stuttering 1080p dts mkvs
[10:10] <GGon> it is ;)
[10:10] <GGon> power whore at the lest
[10:10] <Hoerie> <+PiRocketman> My HTPC is a Core i7 with a pretty high end GPU. I don't like slow down for nothing. It is total overkill. <-- lol, that isn't a htpc anymore
[10:10] <GGon> Hoerie: xbmc is as good as it gets
[10:10] <PiRocketman> I've managed to get Avatar at 1080p playing back pretty smoothly under Raspbmc
[10:10] <GGon> with honorable mention to mediaportal
[10:11] <GGon> PiRocketman: yah. rc5 has default oc
[10:11] <Weaselweb> GGon: there is #rpi-gentoo
[10:11] <GGon> Weaselweb: wow really?
[10:11] <PiRocketman> but "pretty smoothly" isn't enough for me. I don't tolerate any stuttering, dropped frames, etc.
[10:11] <GGon> i hope they use a bin repo ;)
[10:11] <Hoerie> I know this is the 'best' out there, it is just a tad sad though
[10:11] <GGon> PiRocketman: lol. i didnt have it dropping frames unless it was seriously pushing the gpu
[10:12] <GGon> good example is the beginning of prometheus where he is looking into the dream
[10:12] <Hoerie> I played 720p ac3 5.1 in mkv fine last weekend
[10:12] <PiRocketman> Raspbmc seems to sit at around 70% cpu utilization doing nothing.
[10:12] <Weaselweb> GGon: i talked to Blu3Knight last week. he has some plans about a bin repo. until then, use crossdev :)
[10:12] <GGon> PiRocketman: yah. i didnt understand that either
[10:12] <Hoerie> isn't that just raspbmc drawing the GUI though?
[10:13] <GGon> Weaselweb: no way! build it all on the rpi!
[10:13] <PiRocketman> If you are watching anything and it needs to do anything else at all everything slows to a crawl
[10:13] <GGon> :)
[10:13] <Hoerie> I assume some of that load goes away when watching a movie
[10:13] <GGon> PiRocketman: yeah. that's true
[10:13] <Tachyon`> oh well, I will not be getting a pi in two days as CPC are lying bastards and take money claiming to have things in stock when they don't, heh
[10:13] <GGon> that is a drawback
[10:13] <PiRocketman> I've found it reasonably tolerable with a static overclock of ~950mhz, but just not smooth enough for my standards.
[10:13] <GGon> Tachyon`: get them from newark.com
[10:13] <GGon> PiRocketman: it can go that high?
[10:13] <Tachyon`> never evenn heard of them
[10:13] <Hoerie> that reminds me I should probably e-mail RS again, they promised I would be getting my Pi out of their 24 september stock
[10:14] <GGon> Tachyon`: thats where everybody i know got them
[10:14] <Tachyon`> american company is it?
[10:14] <PiRocketman> Makes for an interesting demo of the Pi's capabilities but just not a satisfying experience enough to warrant pulling the plug on my PC based home theater.
[10:14] <GGon> i got mine from there... 2 days after it shipped
[10:14] <Hoerie> I got mine from Tandy, they were fast
[10:14] <GGon> Tachyon`: i know they have a distribution center in the us
[10:14] <GGon> not sure if it is us only tho
[10:14] <Tachyon`> yes, well, I'm not in the US...
[10:14] <GGon> they have a lot of nice stuff ;)
[10:14] <PiRocketman> GCon, sure, most Pi's will clock that high easily without stressing thermal loads or anything.
[10:14] <Hoerie> my htpc is my ps3 at the moment, which requires both my NAS and a separate desktop to be on to transcode
[10:15] <Tachyon`> it said iin stock on the page
[10:15] <GGon> Tachyon`: waiting for it from the us will be faster than back order
[10:15] <Tachyon`> then the emailed me to tell me it was delayed by a month
[10:15] <Tachyon`> taht's fraud
[10:15] <PiRocketman> That is in a case which is pretty much sealed and with no heatsinks on CPU.
[10:15] <Hoerie> <Tachyon`> taht's fraud <-- not really
[10:15] <Tachyon`> they took my money under false pretences
[10:15] <GGon> PiRocketman: really?
[10:15] <GGon> i should try it
[10:15] <Tachyon`> sounds like fraud to me
[10:15] <GGon> dont you have to overvolt?
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[10:15] <PiRocketman> Nope
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[10:15] <Hoerie> <Tachyon`> they took my money under false pretences <-- I'm sure they have a disclaimer saying delivery times are best estimates, yadayada
[10:16] <Tachyon`> yes, but when I ordered it it said I'd have it tomorrow, heh
[10:16] <GGon> arm_freq 950 sounds high
[10:16] <Tachyon`> it's only this morning, now they've got my money that I get an email saying it's delayed
[10:16] <Tachyon`> that sort of thing aggravates me
[10:16] <GGon> get a refund
[10:16] <GGon> order elsewhere ;)
[10:16] <Hoerie> it is annoying, but not fraud
[10:16] <GGon> a lot of p.laces cant keep them in stock
[10:16] <Hoerie> but you could try to take them to court, I'm sure it would be an educational experience
[10:17] <Tachyon`> I know a lot can't keep them in
[10:17] <Tachyon`> but most don't say they're in stock when they're not, heh
[10:17] <PiRocketman> What did you order and where? A Pi?
[10:17] <GGon> fair point
[10:17] <Tachyon`> yes, a pi, from CPC
[10:17] <GGon> i had to ebay a case
[10:17] <PiRocketman> CPC?
[10:17] <GGon> cases are a bit rare as well
[10:17] <Tachyon`> yes, they're selling them withotu stupid bundles
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[10:17] <GGon> and the made in china case... sucks :)
[10:17] <PiRocketman> I laser cut myself a case as I was tired of waiting. We have a good hackerspace in Seattle.
[10:18] <GGon> yeah.. someone did the same with the one i got
[10:18] * Leeky_afk is now known as Leeky
[10:18] <GGon> then sold it to me for $15
[10:18] <GGon> what a ripoff
[10:18] <GGon> but i needed a case
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[10:20] <PiRocketman> Also bought a case from modmypi. I like that one a bit better than the laser cut one which is based on Adafruit's design.
[10:20] <Hoerie> if I ever get my Pi from RS, it should come with a case
[10:20] <GGon> newark still has my case on backorder
[10:20] <GGon> lol
[10:21] <GGon> got my pi like 3 weeks ago :)
[10:21] <GGon> it is a clear one so maybe i can do the gpio rf sensor thing
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[10:21] <GGon> Hoerie: make a case with an ir sensor with wire leads to hook the pins up
[10:22] <GGon> ;)
[10:22] <PiRocketman> I am going to order a few more Pi's, but waiting for the Rev 2's to have flushed the supply chain of Rev 1's.
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> cancel the order & get one tomorrow from (e.g.) Tandy.
[10:22] <Hoerie> my second one will server as IRC bouncer and general 'have fun soldering stuff' platform
[10:22] <GGon> heh
[10:22] <GGon> solder a barrel power connector on it ;)
[10:23] <Weaselweb> Hoerie: consider using quassel instead of an IRC bouncer
[10:23] <Tachyon`> oh well
[10:23] <Hoerie> quassel? what is that
[10:24] <Tachyon`> at least with this delay I'm pretty much guaranteed a revision 2 board
[10:24] <Hoerie> <Tachyon`> at least with this delay I'm pretty much guaranteed a revision 2 board <-- RS isn't going to ship rev2 until november orders
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, I think Farnell have been selling Rev 2's for some time now ...
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[10:24] <Tachyon`> they've not been around that long but okay, heh, this comes from farnell anyway
[10:24] <Weaselweb> Hoerie: http://quassel-irc.org/
[10:25] <Hoerie> isn't it just like a bnc?
[10:26] <Hoerie> I'm currently tinkering with znc
[10:26] <Hoerie> I guess if quassel consumes less resources, I would prefer it
[10:27] <Weaselweb> i never used a bouncer myself, but quassel serves me quite well
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[10:28] <Hoerie> my goal is to move as many things to a pi ass possible, thereby enabling my power-hungry desktop to be off as much as possible
[10:29] <buZz> you could just turn it off now ;)
[10:29] <Hoerie> I could, but then I wouldn't be able to rdp to it from work
[10:30] <buZz> rdp is proprietary (N)
[10:30] <Hoerie> so? ;-)
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[10:31] <buZz> so not an option for majority of ppl
[10:32] <Hoerie> as I just use it to be able to use IRC and listen to music, that should be doable from one or more pi's
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[10:33] <Weaselweb> ew, listen to music over rdp is somehwat pervert
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[10:33] <Hoerie> why? I'm not an audiophile, so not bothered by the quality drop
[10:33] <Lexip> Bouncer on a pi, and invest in an Ipod. :P
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[10:33] <Hoerie> I have several mp3 capable devices, none of them have > 100GB capacity though
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[10:34] <buZz> icecast is nice
[10:34] <buZz> a lot nicer then rdp for audio :)
[10:34] <Lexip> I really don't see why you'd need 100gb on an Ipod
[10:35] <Hoerie> I have a lot of music, being able to access all of it means I don't have to choose beforehand
[10:35] <Lexip> 100gb is like 1000hours of music or so
[10:35] <buZz> 100mb is 1 hour
[10:35] <Lexip> Meh you can fit enough on a 16gb or so
[10:35] <buZz> exactly
[10:36] <Lexip> Depends on quality though?
[10:36] <Hoerie> I have 68 days and 7 hours of music atm
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[10:36] <Weaselweb> too bad, it won't last to the end of the year ;)
[10:37] <Hoerie> my phone has about 12gb which is usually fine, except when I suddenly crave for something not on my phone
[10:37] <buZz> i have ;
[10:37] <buZz> DB Play Time: 131 days, 5:49:02
[10:37] <buZz> :)
[10:37] <Lexip> A friend of mine absolutely refused to get anything but a 120(?)gb ipod. Now, one year later, there's never been more than 20gb of music on it at any one time
[10:37] <buZz> slightly more
[10:37] <buZz> but i never travel with >4gb music at all
[10:38] <Lexip> I can't see why you can't chose 100hours of music to pick from, but oh well :)
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[10:39] <Hoerie> generally it comes down to not knowing what you want to listen to later beforehand
[10:39] <Lexip> Obviously impossible to know, which is why you get a wide range of music
[10:39] <Hoerie> it is like doing grocery shopping for a week and discovering that the food you planned for sunday is not what you want to eat when sunday comes around
[10:40] <Lexip> Heh, bad example as I'd just give in to my plan :(
[10:40] <Hoerie> so if I can set something up that allows me the option of listening to my full collection, why shouldn't I?
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[10:40] <Lexip> No reason! Just seems... odd :)
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[10:41] <Lexip> I suppose one downside might be that you don't have access to it on the move?
[10:41] <InControl> October
[10:41] <Lexip> But then again, perhaps you're not a very walk-y person :)
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[10:42] <Hoerie> if I had something like icecast going, I bet my cellphone would be able to access it
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[10:42] <Lexip> Streaming over 3g just never really worked for me :(
[10:42] <[SLB]> AC`97, you around?
[10:45] <Lexip> If only 3g was as reliable as radio I'd setup a media stream server at home!
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[10:46] <Jck_true> Lexip: Thats why the tele companies wanna sell you 4G... Double the speed for triple the cost....
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[10:47] <Lexip> Ripoff! I'll just stick to extremely unreliable patchy 3g for now I think...
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[10:48] <Hoerie> 3g isn't bad here
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[10:48] <Lexip> A bit annoying how some app makers aren't very considerate when it comes to crappy 3g
[10:49] <Lexip> My bank app for example, requires a restart if it fails to connect!
[10:50] <Lexip> Hoerie, "here" is pretty vague on irc :D
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[10:50] <Hoerie> NL in my case
[10:51] <Hoerie> I forget I have a vhost
[10:51] <Lexip> Even without the host is not always reliable
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[10:55] <buZz> Hoerie: tried http://bliep.nl/ ? :)
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[10:56] <buZz> anyway, i stream icecast over 384kbps 3G fine
[10:56] <buZz> for just 50 cents a day ;)
[10:56] <Hoerie> my current internet is cheaper
[10:57] <buZz> but this is without any FUP or datalimit :)
[10:57] <buZz> just slowish speed
[10:57] <Hoerie> 10,- per month and the same speed as bliep if I go over my limit
[10:57] <buZz> also, 100% anonymous (beside the IMEI of course)
[10:58] <Hoerie> it's only anonymous if you pay cash for it
[10:58] <Lexip> ??10/month for 500mb with crap speed. wiee
[10:58] <buZz> i have no bank account ;)
[10:59] <Hoerie> as I don't use my cell for evil things, I have no need for being anonymous
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[11:05] <Tachyon`> you're never anonymous on a cell
[11:06] <Tachyon`> quie apart from the SIM there's the IMEI and the GPS, not to mention the list of calls made/received...
[11:07] <buZz> Tachyon`: of course ;)
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[11:09] <Lexip> If I were to do dodgy business on a phone, I'd get a pay as you go sim for that purpose only and not use it for standard thing
[11:09] <Lexip> things*
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[11:12] <Jck_true> Lexip: And ditch the phone at regular intervals - And make sure you by the prepaid cards with cash and in stores without video survailence... God.. I watch too many movies...
[11:12] <Lexip> Yep, that's the idea :P
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[11:16] <InControl> I wonder if anyone has told Farnell it is now OCtober
[11:16] <Lexip> Hmm?
[11:16] <InControl> Just the latest of their deadlines to be missed
[11:17] <InControl> said they would start shipping Gertboards before the end of Sep
[11:17] * Lexip tries to remember what a gertboard is
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[11:19] <Jck_true> Lexip: Interface board...
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[11:19] <Lexip> Riiight, it was in the Rpi newsfeed a while back
[11:19] <Jck_true> Lexip: You get all the components and you solder them on yourself :D
[11:19] <InControl> Nobody here ordered one then ?
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[11:20] <Lexip> Very tempted to, but I really shouldn't :-(
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[11:20] <InControl> doubt you'd get it before Christmas anyway
[11:21] <InControl> Amazes me that a company like Farnell can't get their act together
[11:22] <InControl> it isn't like the Pi having specialist components
[11:22] <Jck_true> InControl: This is a tiny tiny bit of their company...
[11:22] <Lexip> They got me my Pi within 4 days, that's my only experience with them ever.
[11:22] <nid0> yeah, a huge multinational not getting stock of one really low selling cheap item that theyre dependant on a supplier for = theyre a total fail
[11:22] <nid0> clearly
[11:23] <InControl> they are the supplier
[11:23] <InControl> the gertboard uses a handful of standard components
[11:23] <InControl> nothing complicated
[11:23] <Lexip> Damn you InControl! Why do you tempt me with these gadgets! :(
[11:24] <InControl> Lexip: only get one if you don't mind soldering fiddly surface mount bits
[11:25] <Lexip> I haven't soldered since high school, should be fun hah
[11:25] <buZz> so, when is this camera finally getting released?
[11:26] <InControl> ha ha ha, camera
[11:26] <InControl> released by end of year, available next summer no doubt
[11:26] <InControl> thought tbh not interested in a camera myself
[11:27] <InControl> can't think of any uses for a camera on a pi
[11:27] <FR^2> Always-On-Webcam with little power consumption? ;)
[11:27] <InControl> apart for fixed surveillance it is of little use
[11:28] <FR^2> intrusion detection with camera ;)
[11:28] <InControl> generally a camera is more useful portable in your phone or pocket camera
[11:28] <buZz> i really need one on my raspi, and dont want to go the 640x480 usb route, so really would like a 5mp module
[11:29] <InControl> not saying nobody will find a use
[11:29] <InControl> just that I personally have no interest at the moment
[11:29] <InControl> I have cameras coming out of my ears
[11:30] <Lexip> I have an interest in anything that can be done with the Pi, but where does one find the time?
[11:30] * Lexip sighs
[11:30] <InControl> A video camera that takes stills, a stills camera that takes video, a phone that takes pictures I think even my microwave probably takes photos these days
[11:30] <buZz> Lexip: time is made, never found
[11:31] <Lexip> Interesting
[11:31] <InControl> Even the TV has a camera so you can use it for skyping
[11:32] <InControl> I can't imagine looking up someones nostrils on a 42" screen terribly apealing though so have given that one a miss
[11:33] <buZz> InControl: also cause samsung can show content providers how much attention you are giving to the commercials
[11:33] <InControl> no commercials on my TV :)
[11:34] <InControl> in fact no TV on my TV but that is another story entirely
[11:34] <InControl> anyone got the BBC iPlayer working on a Pi ?
[11:35] <InControl> Thinking I could set one up for my parents
[11:35] <InControl> but would need to be controllable from their TV remote
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[11:44] <gordonDrogon> Gertboards not being shipped from Farnel yet then?
[11:45] <InControl> not that I can see
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> muppets... Oh well.
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[11:47] <gordonDrogon> right coffee & toast time, then into the 2nd round of monthly invoices from drogon systems...
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[11:55] <Elspuddy> morning
[11:56] <Lexip> Morning puddy
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[12:21] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. Too many people not paid me last month. Oh well, it's statutory ?40 fines for them.
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> but of a shock for some on a ?5 phone bill...
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[12:24] <Joeboy> gordonDrogon: I was looking at your site last night - good stuff
[12:25] <nid0> thats some harsh fining!
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[12:32] <gordonDrogon> Joeboy, thanks.
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[12:32] <gordonDrogon> nid0, it's statutory! The government says I can do it.
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[12:44] <Lexip> In general it's fairly easy to avoid getting fined in the first place
[12:44] <Lexip> So seems appropriate to me :P
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> try telling that to clients )-:
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> I have one who continually pays me 6 weeks late.
[12:46] <nid0> I pay my bills on time, im just not a fan of businesses charging punitive fines :p
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> So he's paying me once a month fo ran invoice he got 6 weeks ago.
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> bonkers. He's not saving anything.
[12:47] <Lexip> Haha, some people just can't be helped...
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[13:04] <Hoerie> <+gordonDrogon> So he's paying me once a month fo ran invoice he got 6 weeks ago. <-- in B2B payment times have gone from 2-4 weeks to 5-10 or so
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[13:08] <gordonDrogon> Hoerie, I've thinking of moving to money up front ...
[13:13] <Lexip> Sending a few bikers with tattoos to collect your money?
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> not yet...
[13:14] <nid0> we simply charge for all services in advance, and cut people off if they dont renew
[13:14] <gordonDrogon> hard to do for a telephone bill though )-:
[13:15] <nid0> straightforward, gets things paid usually on time, and isnt punitive for people that dont - but, we do have a service thats easy to cut off and reinstate at will, not as simple for other things though :P
[13:16] <Hoerie> so you run a service provider gordonDrogon?
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> sort of.
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> I'm actualyl trying to deprecate the voip side of it all.
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> but I run a tiny hosting setup as part of what I do.
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> ie. I have 2 dozen servers in a data centre!
[13:17] <Hoerie> sounds like a lot of work ;-)
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> it was - that's why I'm trying to close the voip side.
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[13:18] <gordonDrogon> I tried to sell it via a network of resellers, so they would handle the customers and I would develop the platform, etc. but they were lazy and I ended up doing their support...
[13:18] <Hoerie> ah znc was trying to connect over ipv6 .. I wonder why
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[13:18] <gordonDrogon> maybe you have an IPv6 address?
[13:18] <Hoerie> my isp is ipv4 only afaik
[13:18] <Hoerie> but is see ipv6 stuff in windows 7
[13:19] <Hoerie> -s
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> it depends how win handles dual-stack..
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[13:20] <Hoerie> my pi is going directly to the modem though, and as far as I know the modem and isp don't do ipv6
[13:20] <Tachyon`> if it's like it handles everything else, badly I imagine
[13:20] <Dagger2> it does RFC 3484 address selection with a sensible default prefix policy
[13:21] <Dagger2> about the only non-sensible thing it does is to not look up AAAA records when it only has Teredo, which realistically renders Teredo almost completely useless
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> root@raspberrypi:/home/gordon# ping6 -n -c5 -q ipv6.google.com
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> PING ipv6.google.com(2a00:1450:400c:c05::67) 56 data bytes
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> --- ipv6.google.com ping statistics ---
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4007ms
[13:23] <McBofh> gordonDrogon: you're going via carrier pigeon?
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> ADSL.
[13:24] <Hoerie> network is unreachable for me
[13:24] <gordonDrogon> should have included this line: rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 20.452/20.695/21.020/0.221 ms
[13:25] <McBofh> $ ping6 -n -c5 -q ipv6.google.com
[13:25] <McBofh> PING ipv6.google.com(2404:6800:4006:804::1010) 56 data bytes
[13:25] <McBofh> --- ipv6.google.com ping statistics ---
[13:25] <McBofh> 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4006ms
[13:25] <McBofh> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 25.674/26.574/28.485/1.017 ms
[13:25] <trevorman> Hoerie: teredo
[13:25] <McBofh> from my Solaris box I'm getting ~26.5msec from Brisbane to ipv6.google.com
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> that was from a Pi.
[13:25] <trevorman> although that wouldn't explain the rpi
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[13:26] <McBofh> gordonDrogon: the ping6 I pasted was from my pi
[13:26] <trevorman> Hoerie: your ISP must support IPv6. what is the first part of your ipv6 address?
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> McBofh, maby I have slightly less hops to google in europe via ipv6..
[13:27] <McBofh> possible
[13:27] <McBofh> I'm curious about the 'time 4007ms' part, however
[13:27] <McBofh> because that _does_ seem excessive :)
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> total time -
[13:27] <trevorman> McBofh: its the total time
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> 4 seconds for 5 pins sent once per second.
[13:27] <McBofh> aha
[13:28] <McBofh> I'm used to the Solaris behaviour
[13:28] <McBofh> carry on ... nothing to see here .... :)
[13:28] <Hoerie> Link-Local IPV6 Address fe80::
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[13:28] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Must find time to fully enable all my hosted server with ipv6 too.
[13:28] <trevorman> Hoerie: you only have a link local address?
[13:29] <Hoerie> I did a ipconfig /all that was all I could find
[13:29] <trevorman> Hoerie: on the rpi?
[13:30] <Hoerie> ah
[13:30] <Hoerie> how would I find that in linux?
[13:30] <trevorman> /sbin/ifconfig
[13:30] <trevorman> odd that you only have a link local address though
[13:31] <Hoerie> inet6 addr starts with the same
[13:31] <Hoerie> that link-local was from my windows box
[13:32] <trevorman> Hoerie: what does http://test-ipv6.com/ think?
[13:34] <Hoerie> 2001
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[13:34] <trevorman> your setup is odd. you don't have routable addresses on your LAN
[13:35] <Hoerie> probably my router/modem is pre-stoneage
[13:35] <trevorman> you're not doing 6in4 either as that is 2002::
[13:35] <Dagger2> 6to4*
[13:36] <trevorman> 6to4 is 2002 as well
[13:36] <Dagger2> s/as well//
[13:37] <trevorman> 6in4 and 6to4 aren't the same thing
[13:37] <trevorman> :P
[13:37] <Dagger2> yes, that's what I was pointing out
[13:37] <Dagger2> you can tunnel ranges that aren't in 2002::/16 over a 6in4 tunnel
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[13:37] <trevorman> unlikely for that to happen in Hoerie's case
[13:38] <[SLB]> has anyone got this working? http://code.google.com/p/webiopi/
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[13:40] <trevorman> either way, he should get an entire subnet and everything should have a routable address
[13:40] <trevorman> it sounds like some kludge involving NAT at the moment...
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[13:41] <Hoerie> wouldn't surprise me knowing my isp
[13:41] <trevorman> ew
[13:42] <Dagger2> what's the address test-ipv6.com reports?
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[13:44] <Dagger2> (or pastebin the output of ifconfig, that might be more informative)
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[13:47] <gordonDrogon> [SLB], I keep meaning to write a little CLI program to do just that, or one in BASIC.
[13:48] <[SLB]> eheh nice
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[13:49] <Visualante> http://media.edge-online.com/wp-content/uploads/edgeonline/2012/09/EDGEcov23.jpg edge always had such cool covers
[13:49] <Midasx_> is there an easy way to see my rpi's clock speed? Not using vcgencmd?
[13:49] <Visualante> surprised they haven't put the pi on the cover really
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[13:53] <Dyskette> Midasx_: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[13:54] <Midasx_> Dyskette: <3 I knew there would be something like that but I couldn't find it!
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[13:54] <Dyskette> :)
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[13:55] <Midasx_> So in /boot/config.txt I have set arm_freq=800, yet the system reports it is still at 700Mhz? any ideas?
[13:56] <Dyskette> Did you reboot?
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[13:57] <Midasx_> Yeah, multiple times :/
[13:57] <[SLB]> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[13:57] <Dyskette> Midasx_: have you got force_turbo on?
[13:57] <Midasx_> Dyskette: No, that voids teh warranty right?
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[13:57] <Dyskette> Because otherwise it will idle at 700MHz and dynamically clock up to arm_freq when under load
[13:57] <Midasx_> ah right
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[13:58] <Dyskette> So it should be reporting 700MHz most of the time :)
[13:58] <Midasx_> well i shall ptu soem load on see what happens....
[13:58] <Midasx_> it is staying at 700mhz :/
[13:59] <[SLB]> ^
[14:00] <trevorman> Midasx_: you need to have the ondemand governor enabled
[14:00] <Midasx_> trevorman: Ah okay, thanks i shall have a google :)
[14:00] <trevorman> if you don't have one set then it'll just stay at the minimum frequency set by arm_freq_min which by default is 700
[14:00] <Midasx_> AH ofcourse :)
[14:01] <Midasx_> Will force_turbo void the warranty?
[14:01] <trevorman> Midasx_: warranty void if (force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit>85) && over_voltage>0
[14:02] <Midasx_> So only if I overvolt as well :)
[14:02] <trevorman> yes
[14:02] <Midasx_> Could I jsut set the arm freq_min to my OC value?
[14:02] <trevorman> if you want to
[14:03] <trevorman> least that is what it *should* do
[14:03] <trevorman> I've not personally tried it as I just use the dynamic scaling
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[14:04] <Midasx_> I've jsut written a quick little program in C to stress test the system and report the performance and the temperature which Is why i am asking about OC'ing :0
[14:05] <trevorman> the "standard" test that most people seem to do is just run quake
[14:06] <Midasx_> I'm running headless and intend to not really be doing much graphic stuff so I wanted my own test :0
[14:06] <trevorman> Midasx_: just do echo ondemand >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor anyway
[14:07] <Midasx_> it said powersave which implies I need to change it :)
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[14:07] <Weaselweb> wasn't there a tool which could dynamically increase the frequency up to 1GHz (and overvolting in that case) without voiding warrenty?
[14:08] <Weaselweb> this I mean: http://www.heise.de/open/meldung/Raspberry-Update-bringt-Turbo-Mode-1713171.html
[14:08] <trevorman> Weaselweb: the new bootloader + kernel does it
[14:08] <Weaselweb> or in english: http://www.h-online.com/news/item/The-Raspberry-Pi-gets-a-turbo-mode-1713194.html
[14:08] <trevorman> you don't need a specific tool
[14:08] <trevorman> the way they named it is stupid however. "turbo mode" = what we used to have where you set the speed and it would always run at that speed
[14:09] <trevorman> the new mode is when turbo mode is off
[14:09] <Midasx_> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2008
[14:09] <Midasx_> This?
[14:09] <trevorman> yeah
[14:09] <trevorman> they call it turbo mode yet force_turbo actually turns it off
[14:10] <Midasx_> Is this included in the new /boot/config.txt? And if so where can I find a copy?
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[14:10] <trevorman> the presets?
[14:10] <Midasx_> trevorman: yeh
[14:11] <trevorman> its in the raspi-config program but you can just set it manually in config.txt
[14:11] <trevorman> https://github.com/asb/raspi-config/blob/master/raspi-config
[14:11] <Midasx_> trevorman: What should I set manually though (Sorry If I have gone full retard)
[14:12] <trevorman> Midasx_: is this a recent version of raspbian you've got on the SD card?
[14:12] <Midasx_> No it is an old version of Arch
[14:12] <trevorman> uhhh. you upgraded your kernel and bootloader?
[14:12] <trevorman> you need both to make this work
[14:12] <Midasx_> I used rpi-update, which I believe does that
[14:13] <trevorman> look around line 195 in the above linked copy of raspi-config
[14:14] <trevorman> just set arm_freq, core_freq, sdram_freq and over_voltage for whatever preset you want to try. not all of them may work for your particular RPi. it isn't guaranteed
[14:14] <trevorman> you can tweak the numbers as you feel necessary anyway. they're not special magic combination that only work when set like that.
[14:15] <Midasx_> trevorman: Okay I shall try it, however I had been settig the arm_freq to 800 and nothing had been happening :/
[14:16] <trevorman> you need the governor as I said
[14:16] <trevorman> if you don't have that then it won't increase the speed
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[14:17] <trevorman> be aware that some people have reported SD card corruption when using dynamic scaling. the theory last I saw is that the timing is messed up because of the changes in clockspeed.
[14:17] <trevorman> but ymmv
[14:19] <McBofh> possibly due to panicing the pi when they get the setting wrong, and then when the ondemand governor kicks in *blam* reboot
[14:19] <McBofh> so any in-flight data is lost :|
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[14:21] <trevorman> nah. apparently it isn't crashing. it just starts to corrupt stuff without warning.
[14:21] <trevorman> but *shrug* it works fine for me and I've not noticed any corruption
[14:21] <McBofh> that might be your experience, but mine is of complete reboots a few secs after ondemand kicks in
[14:21] * McBofh shrugs
[14:23] <trevorman> what settings you using though?
[14:23] <McBofh> I was using arm_freq=900 core_freq=500 sdram_freq=500 over_voltage=6
[14:23] <McBofh> but decided that over_voltage=0 and no core_freq change was fine
[14:24] <McBofh> I prefer stability :)
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[14:24] <trevorman> well yeah you're exceeding the limits for your particular rpi :P
[14:24] <Midasx_> Ho can I change my govenor to allow me ot overclock?
[14:24] <trevorman> the core is only supposed to run at 250mhz
[14:24] <trevorman> Midasx_: just do echo ondemand >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[14:24] <McBofh> trevorman: I realised that I had misread the table of configurations
[14:25] <McBofh> no biggy
[14:25] <Midasx_> Derp
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[14:25] <Midasx_> thanks trevorman, forgot it was just a text file
[14:26] <Midasx_> trevorman: Are tehre any other optins than ondemand and powersave?
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[14:26] <Weaselweb> Midasx_: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
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[14:27] <Midasx_> Ta muchly :0
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[14:28] <Midasx_> Is there any documentation on those?
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[14:30] <Weaselweb> Midasx_: in general http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt;h=c7a2eb8450c226b50e55b28f8c6669c6041cc0e3;hb=HEAD
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[14:30] <Midasx_> Thanks
[14:30] <Weaselweb> that's v3.6. dunno is there has anything changed from the kernel used on the pi
[14:31] <Weaselweb> don't seem so: last change: 2011-11-08
[14:31] <trevorman> ondemand is the one you'll want anyway and the one that gets the most testing for the RPi
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[14:32] <Weaselweb> either way. it is the most sensible one
[14:33] <Midasx_> This looks liek a good resource for people: https://github.com/Evilpaul/RPi-config/blob/master/config.txt
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[14:36] <Midasx_> Any idea how hot a pi can stable-ly go? :P
[14:36] <Midasx_> Any idea how hot a pi can stable-ly go? :P
[14:37] <japro> the cutoff for the on themand clocking is 85?C i think?
[14:37] <[SLB]> mine hasn't gone beyond 60?C
[14:37] <[SLB]> correct
[14:37] <Tachyon`> if it's not uncomfortabel to the touch it's probably fine
[14:37] <japro> demand
[14:37] <FR^2> [SLB]: How do you measure?
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[14:37] <[SLB]> vcgencmd measure_temp
[14:38] <des2> the problem is the cpu is hidden under the memory
[14:38] <Midasx_> Or easier: cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[14:38] <[SLB]> 39? now
[14:38] <Midasx_> Thats about normal I htink
[14:38] <[SLB]> well i made aliases for almost everything so i just type temp :3
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[14:39] <[SLB]> now live http://pi.slblabs.com:7010/
[14:39] <Midasx_> I've made a program to do a little benchmark and show the temp if anyone is intersted ;)
[14:39] <[SLB]> nice eheh
[14:40] <Midasx_> [SLB]: cool, I met a guy the other day who was making something similar to this, his allowed youto controll teh GPIO pins in realtime!
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[14:40] <Datalink> des2, actually the memory's the lower module, CPU is the upper
[14:40] <Tachyon`> that doesn't sound right
[14:40] <Midasx_> I need to dash for lunch, thanks a lot for your help :)
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[14:40] <Tachyon`> I'd expect the top part to be the ram
[14:40] <[SLB]> i think it was djazz, mine is based upon his other monitor script eheh yes
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[14:41] <[SLB]> cpu is the lower chip
[14:41] <Tachyon`> yes, taht's waht I'd expect
[14:41] <[SLB]> top is ram yes
[14:41] <Tachyon`> it'd be odd to route all the cpu signals through the ram
[14:41] <Datalink> .... *looks at the chip on his pi*
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[14:41] <trevorman> Datalink: the SoC is on the bottom
[14:41] <[SLB]> it says either samsung or hynix on top, the ram
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[14:42] <Datalink> hm, so it does, bad memory for the datasheets when I looked into PoP then
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[14:43] <[SLB]> hm someone visiting from norway actually seeing the correct page with the system monitor?
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[14:44] <Datalink> feels odd to me that the memory wouldn't be relocatable with this arrangement though
[14:45] <Datalink> can't deny that the top IC's Samsung on mine though, so my theoreticals go out the window
[14:46] <[SLB]> eheh
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[14:46] * Datalink shrugs, boots the pi back up then starts cmatrix again
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[14:47] <scummos> xD cmatric
[14:47] <scummos> x
[14:47] <scummos> this program is so slow
[14:48] <Datalink> -c 1
[14:48] <[SLB]> i jsut installed it, works fine
[14:48] <Datalink> I can't get the font engine to work :/
[14:48] <[SLB]> via ssh tho
[14:48] <[SLB]> hm
[14:49] <Datalink> oh, I'm sorry -u1
[14:49] <Datalink> ehe, I've not noticed SSH delays with it in putty
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[14:51] <Hodapp> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone?ref=live
[14:51] <Hodapp> hmmmm
[14:52] <des2> Do you really need your own supercompujter ?
[14:53] <Joeboy> Chicks dig 'em
[14:53] <Hodapp> If I can use this like a stream processor, I can think of quite a lot I could do with it.
[14:54] <Hodapp> however I've also seen at least a dozen projects that claimed to make parallel computing easier
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[14:54] <[SLB]> Datalink, i think you need to install cmatrix-xfont maybe
[14:54] <japro> massive parallelism is the "way of the future (tm)" anyway
[14:54] <japro> even on consumer platforms
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[14:54] <japro> no nead really to talk about "super computers" anymore there :D
[14:54] <japro> going by that every gpu is a super computer
[14:55] <Hodapp> er, there's plenty of need
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[14:55] <japro> Hodapp, i don't say there is no need for super computers. but there is no need to call everything that is massively parallel a super
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[14:55] <Datalink> I'd like a way to parallelize tasks that don't kill ability to connect... like a xen or qemu for clusters
[14:56] <Joeboy> "Microcomputer", "Personal Computer", "Supercomputer", "Laptop".... the terminology always dates
[14:56] <trevorman> Hodapp: that KS over ambitious IMO. they're going to have trouble meeting that $99 price point and that is the small version. if you want the 64 core version then they need to hit 3 mil
[14:56] <Hodapp> japro: Re-read what I wrote, and you'll see what need I was referring to
[14:57] <buZz> raspi has 49 processors
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[14:57] * Hodapp trips buZz
[14:57] * buZz giggles
[14:57] <buZz> but its true!
[14:57] <Hodapp> stream processors, like on a GPU?
[14:57] <trevorman> the cost reduction steps they list make it sound like its easy to do and cheap when it is the complete opposite
[14:58] <Hodapp> trevorman: What? This *NEVER* happens on kickstarter?
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[14:58] <japro> Hodapp, actually i don't see :D
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[14:58] <buZz> from the blog ;
[14:58] <buZz> > As well as an ARM processor, the Raspberry Pi.s system on a chip (SoC) also contains 48 extra processors optimised for the calculations involved in 3d graphics.
[14:58] <trevorman> Hodapp: heh
[14:58] <Hodapp> trevorman: that's why I approach with skepticism.
[14:58] <Datalink> most of the BCM is GPU, yeah
[14:58] <Hodapp> too bad you can't really do any GPGPU on the Pi short of GLSL, can you?
[14:58] <japro> to be fair those 48 "processors" are most likely 48 alus
[14:58] <japro> and not independent processors
[14:58] <buZz> probably
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[14:59] <Datalink> same error,: sh: l: consolechars: not found, then it segfaults
[14:59] <buZz> but an alu is almost as usefull as a MIPS proc ;)
[14:59] <japro> same with "cores" on gpus which is mostly marketing talk
[14:59] <Datalink> moar ALUs!
[14:59] <Hodapp> japro: I rarely see them referred to as 'cores'.
[15:00] <Datalink> ugh, I need to rebuild my ALU in minecraft, then work out transfer from bus to bus
[15:00] <japro> its a little like calling a quad core i5 with 8 float AVX instructions a 32 core machine :D
[15:00] <Hodapp> japro: On CUDA for instance they were generally called scalar processors
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[15:00] <japro> Hodapp, nvidias marketing stuff is full of "cuda cores"
[15:00] <Datalink> [SLB], consolefonts isn't in the repo
[15:00] <Datalink> though chasing down that package feels like slapping life support on something pre xorg
[15:01] <Hodapp> japro: Show me.
[15:01] <[SLB]> hm i tried with cmatrix-xfont but didn't work either, oh well eheh
[15:01] <Hodapp> buZz: Well, I dunno. SPs on CUDA can be controlled sort-of-independently, but not completely.
[15:01] <japro> Hodapp, just click you way through the nvidia website to any product description: http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-680/specifications
[15:01] <Hodapp> buZz: They work in groups of 8 and they have to run in lock-step. If one needs to branch, the rest spin while it does.
[15:01] <buZz> i am waiting for boredcom to push the docs for the DSP already
[15:02] <buZz> so we can finally write gpu accelerated my-little-pony rendering
[15:02] <buZz> etc
[15:02] <japro> nvidia stuff works in warps of 32 and instructions are scheduled in half warps
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[15:03] <japro> well it depends somewhat on which generation of gpu you look up
[15:03] <japro> but they all have 32 warp size so far
[15:03] <Hodapp> japro: You still have a much greater degree of control than pretty much any of the SIMD on x86.
[15:03] <japro> yep, its somewhere in between
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[15:04] <Hodapp> You can control them pretty much completely independently if you want, however, this is a really inefficient way to work
[15:04] <Hodapp> but it will let you do it.
[15:04] <japro> on pre kepler you could only execute one kernel at a time
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[15:05] <japro> of cours you can pack multiple "kernels" into one by having a huge if statement in the kernel :D
[15:05] <Hodapp> and that kernel can branch freely and execute function calls, just not recursively.
[15:05] <japro> well "freely" from a logical point of view
[15:05] <japro> but you essentially get serial execution
[15:06] <japro> kepler allows for limited recursion i think
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[15:06] <Hodapp> they all allow for 'limited' recursion
[15:07] <japro> in the "i build my own stack" sense
[15:08] <japro> maybe xeon phi becomes so popular that it become affordable :D
[15:08] <Hodapp> there's nothing in the definition of 'core' that rules any of this out...
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[15:10] <japro> i suppose with properly independent cores memory access can become quite a mess
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[15:13] <Hodapp> japro: and this is the basis behind many stream and vector processors that are regarded as multi-core
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[15:14] <japro> there most likely also isn't a "clean definition" of what a core is
[15:15] <aykut> yandex browser :(
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[15:15] <aykut> http://browser.yandex.com/
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[15:17] <Hodapp> why the frown?
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[15:18] <buZz> turn that frown upside down!
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[15:24] <[SLB]> what was again the file to edit to change default DE? ~/.xinitrc?
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[15:45] <Midasx|AFK> About to add some heatsinks to my pi :D
[15:46] <Midasx|AFK> a
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[15:48] <Midasx|> But first I need to modify my testing program :)
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[16:09] <discopig> lol
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[16:12] <Midasx|> Would anyone be interested in a small program that stress tests the CPU by calculating primes, then says how long it took, and the tempreature of the CPU. Then repeats X times and shows the average? Specifically for a pi. I'm asking because I have amde such a program but haven't bothered with user friendliness etc... since it is just me using it, but it coudl be developed further
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[16:15] <Hodapp> Midasx|: Why not find a calculation that requires a lot of work but is more easily verified than primes?
[16:15] <Midasx|> Hodapp: What advantage would that have?
[16:16] <Hodapp> Midasx|: If the CPU has been driven too high and some calculation fails slightly, that's another form of failing a stress test.
[16:16] <Weaselweb> finding erroneous calculations due to overclocking or temperature
[16:17] <Midasx|> Hodapp: True, the idea for this isn't stability testing though, just to see how fast it can go!
[16:17] <Hodapp> Midasx|: Going fast is not useful if it's no longer stable.
[16:17] <Hodapp> You can disregard the test results still.
[16:18] <japro> integer factorization would be something that can be easily verified
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[16:18] <Midasx|> Well it is something I could look at IF people would be intersted in such a program
[16:18] <japro> and for floating point stuff you typically use something linpackesque
[16:18] <Weaselweb> md5 calculations :)
[16:19] <Hodapp> you'd almost wanna slam the GPU for an even harder stress test
[16:19] <Hodapp> tons of GLSL or something
[16:19] <Midasx|> This is the output at the moment: http://i.imgur.com/Hdj9s.png
[16:19] <nid0> calculating pi to a certain iteration is always an easy one
[16:20] <japro> the fractal example in hello_triangle2 would probably be a good staring point to stress the gpu
[16:20] <japro> since you want something really compute heavy
[16:20] <FR^2> Midasx|: I think it would be interesting to specify the number of runs and in the end output min/avg/max/stdev of temperature and calculation time
[16:20] <discopig> how good is the gpu in the pi, compared to say the recent powervr gpus
[16:20] <discopig> not that i use it but i was curious
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[16:22] <Midasx|> FR^2: I'm just adding the number of runs argument :)
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[16:33] <nOStahl> so what are you guys using your PIs for these days
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[16:33] <japro> programming 3d games :)
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[16:37] <KameSense> nOStahl: cups, quasselcore, imapfilter, vsftp
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[16:38] <nOStahl> i've been contemplating between the pi or one of the little android deals to run a digital display
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[16:42] <gordonDrogon> andoid thingy has a display built-in ...
[16:42] <nid0> eh?
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[16:42] <discopig> lol
[16:42] <gordonDrogon> but then you need to write intersting software for it...
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[16:43] <FR^2> 1-wire! :)
[16:43] <nOStahl> this ubuntu and android thing is interesting
[16:43] <nid0> I think he means like an mk802
[16:44] <nOStahl> android on a dual core+ phone and when you plug it into a doc, it boots up ubuntu to an external monitor, keyboard and mouse
[16:44] <Hodapp> nOStahl: when you say 'run a digital display' - do you mean a monitor/TV over HDMI?
[16:44] <bede> aplay: pcm_write:1603: write error: Input/output error
[16:45] <nOStahl> digital display as in digital billboard
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[16:45] <buZz> nOStahl: motorola atrix does this, two year old phone
[16:46] <buZz> over hdmi btw ..
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[16:47] <buZz> i want to replicate it with a raspi
[16:47] <nOStahl> whats the motorola running
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[16:49] <bede> i seem to be unable to get something from the on board audio
[16:49] <bede> hello_audio.bin: audio.c:122: audioplay_create: Assertion `st->audio_render != ((void *)0)' failed.
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[16:51] <bede> i can see the card with alsamixer, but can not change it's volume
[16:51] <SIFTU> bede: is your user in the audio group?
[16:52] <bede> SIFTU: trying as root
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[16:53] <SIFTU> bede: k
[16:53] <Caver> you can check what group your user is in, by typing "groups"
[16:54] <SIFTU> root will have permissions
[16:54] <bede> [ 293.359309] snd_bcm2835_pcm_hw_params:226 error setting hw params
[16:56] <bede> I can play audio via an usb headphone
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[16:59] <AR_> is the model A out yet
[16:59] <chithead> no
[16:59] <AR_> why
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[17:00] <nid0> to personally screw with you
[17:00] <AR_> the model A is the model B with less components
[17:00] <AR_> it should have been released first
[17:00] <nid0> no it shouldnt
[17:01] <AR_> yes
[17:01] <Caver> *yawns*
[17:01] <nid0> you're mistaking your personal preference with a good general idea
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[17:01] <nOStahl> why do you want the A
[17:01] <AR_> the A makes more sense than the B
[17:01] <nid0> no it doesnt
[17:02] <Hodapp> nOStahl: disregard him, he's just here to troll.
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[17:02] <nid0> not for the uses that the pi needs before being fully bug tested and stable to roll out to schools.
[17:02] <nOStahl> I'm up for a good troll in :P
[17:02] <AR_> no seriously
[17:02] <AR_> the A should have been first tested
[17:02] <nOStahl> trollala :P
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> AR_ jim lad.
[17:02] <AR_> then the B adds some more features
[17:02] <AR_> test them
[17:02] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: jim lad?
[17:02] <nid0> what, by all 5 people that want an A?
[17:02] <AR_> then done
[17:02] <AR_> woo
[17:02] <AR_> what idiots
[17:02] <AR_> why do you need two USB
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[17:02] <AR_> why do you need ethernet
[17:02] <nid0> I dont
[17:02] <AR_> why do you need hdmi
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, yea, talk like a pirate day was 2 weeks ago..
[17:03] <bede> gordonDrogon: i missed that again, *mumbles*
[17:03] <AR_> please just breakout io pins
[17:03] <AR_> done
[17:03] <AR_> one usb for wifi
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[17:05] <AR_> i see you all finally agree
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[17:05] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: whats on the menu today?
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> trevorman, oh, leftover steak from the slab I cooked at the weekend. that's my lunch or a couple of days.
[17:06] <Hodapp> I need to make more sauerkraut.
[17:06] <Hodapp> also, mead.
[17:06] <AR_> also cocks
[17:06] <Hodapp> AR_: That's really not necessary.
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> mead. I have some bottles I made some years ago.
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> it's almost drinkable now.
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[17:06] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: I met a man who makes a ton of his own mead, and he describes it as easier than beer to make. However, I've not yet tried making it.
[17:07] <Hodapp> I need to find a good source of (real) honey.
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[17:07] <AR_> Hodapp, whats your problem man we used to be friends
[17:07] <trevorman> Hodapp: find a local farmers market
[17:08] <[SLB]> speaking of what, last april i found honey from my town in hong kong supermarket's shelves \o/
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[17:09] <Hodapp> trevorman: A nice one is right near me but I don't know how affordable they'll make the amount of honey I need for this
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> I made mine with champagne yeast, so it should be about 15% alcohol...
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> you need about 4lbs for a gallon.
[17:09] <AR_> i like pure honecomb
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> so it's quite expensive.
[17:09] <AR_> honeycomb
[17:10] <AR_> that comes in the little plastic square box
[17:10] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: I'll ask my mead-making friend where he gets his.
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[17:10] <trevorman> Hodapp: learn to be a beekeeper? :D
[17:10] <Caver> from a Bee-man
[17:12] <Hodapp> trevorman :P
[17:12] <[diecast]> hihi
[17:12] <Hodapp> hey
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[17:13] <Hodapp> He had an interesting explanation for me about how you can trick yeast into making levels of alcohol that will kill the yeast.
[17:14] <trevorman> I thought that always happened when brewing
[17:14] <Hodapp> trevorman: No... around 5% (and often much higher) the yeast aren't dying from the alcohol, they're just dormant for lack of food
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[17:15] <nOStahl> find wild grapes - that white powdery stuff on them is yeast
[17:15] <Hodapp> nOStahl: I've no trouble finding yeast.
[17:15] <nOStahl> soak them in water and add a bit of sugar
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[17:15] <nOStahl> I'm big into wild yeast :)
[17:15] <trevorman> ahh
[17:15] <nOStahl> wild sourdough starter, wines etc
[17:16] <Hodapp> trevorman: so for instance it works just fine to let your wort sit in the fermenter for weeks even if it's done fermenting after a few days, and then throw in some priming sugar when you bottle it
[17:16] <Hodapp> trevorman: priming sugar will ferment enough to carbonate the beer
[17:16] <Hodapp> nOStahl: I already grow yeast. Unintentionally. On my sauerkraut.
[17:16] <trevorman> so if you want it super strong then you add more sugar?
[17:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> gak
[17:16] <nOStahl> I have not tried making sauerkraut yet
[17:16] <nOStahl> its on my list
[17:16] <Hodapp> nOStahl: It's quite easy.
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[17:17] <nOStahl> do you use one of those ceramic crocks
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[17:17] <Hodapp> nOStahl: Nah, I use a big glass bowl, and I put a plate on top of the cabbage and a rock on top of that enough to keep all the kraut below the liquid
[17:18] <nOStahl> ah
[17:18] <Hodapp> as the surface of the liquid is where yeast will grow sometimes, but the kraut is fine
[17:18] <nOStahl> i was told they used those big ceramic crocks you find in antique stores for making homemade vinegar as well for cleaning
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> not a fan of saurkraut.
[17:18] <AR_> i dont like pickles
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> hoever I do make my own sourdough bread.
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[17:19] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/sourdough.jpg
[17:19] * Hodapp <3 sourdough
[17:19] <nOStahl> heh who knew raspberry pi owners were so into wild yeast :P
[17:19] <Hodapp> I need to find some more whole-grain sourdoughs that work well
[17:19] <Hodapp> with white flour it's incredibly easy but I'd rather get it a little healthier and with some better texture
[17:19] <AR_> please get back on topic
[17:19] <gordonDrogon> my starter is now 14 months old.
[17:19] <AR_> raspberry pi isnt about pies
[17:20] <AR_> join ##food
[17:20] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: ever done rye sourdough?
[17:20] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, nope.
[17:20] <Hodapp> I did a 100% rye with one and it was pretty decent
[17:20] <Hodapp> little trickier to make the starter IIRC
[17:20] <nOStahl> AR_: this is not an official channel, we can talk about what we like :P
[17:20] <AR_> uh
[17:20] <Hodapp> but you can't use yeast with 100% rye
[17:20] <AR_> please learn
[17:21] <Hodapp> hence you gotta have the sourdough to make it rise
[17:21] <trevorman> the idea of the starters and how you start them along with how long you can keep them is just weird to me. i'll happily eat the end results though.
[17:21] <Hodapp> (or something else, I dunno, like salt-rising?)
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> this: http://www.shipton-mill.com/flour-direct/speciality-and-rare-flours/shop-36/swiss-dark-flour-409? is an excellent flour.
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, I just use my started with any other flour.
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, but I've not tried rye flour yet. not in that much of a rush to do so though.
[17:22] <nOStahl> its tough around here to find unbleached flour in local stores
[17:22] <AR_> this must be an official channel as it is #raspberrypi and not ##raspberrypi
[17:22] <AR_> so please get back on topic
[17:23] <Hodapp> nOStahl: not even King Arthur Flour?
[17:23] <nOStahl> they don't cary king arthur around here
[17:23] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: I'm a fan of rye but I don't eat much bread
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> Shipton mill's pasrty flour is the best I've used too (for pasrty, obviously ;-) it's like silk...
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> p-a-s-t-r-y - doh.
[17:23] <Hodapp> gordonDrogon: however, gotta be careful of that ergot fungus, unless you want hallucinogenic grains.
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> Hodapp, I'm not growing or milling :)
[17:24] <KameSense> is it possible to make bread with a Raspberry Pi ?
[17:24] <Hodapp> KameSense: Nope.
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> KameSense, you can use a RPi as a timer.
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[17:24] <gordonDrogon> KameSense, or you can use it to hold a database of your recipies.
[17:24] <KameSense> :-]
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> or a temperature probe.
[17:24] <Caver> grins
[17:25] <trevorman> apparently Amazon sell flour as well...
[17:25] <Caver> I wonder if mine would calibrate that high
[17:25] <trevorman> is there anything they don't sell now?
[17:25] <KameSense> or make a bread machine that does it all !
[17:25] <Hodapp> Or you can make an easy-bake oven out of one if you load the CPU enough in an insulated box.
[17:25] <Midasx|> Oh goody, may have just bricked my pi :(
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> Midasx|, making bread with it?
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[17:26] <Midasx|> ?
[17:26] <trevorman> Midasx|: the RPi is fairly hard to kill by software alone
[17:26] <Midasx|> Iwas OC'ing it
[17:26] <nid0> and how have you bricked it?
[17:26] <trevorman> obv not so hard if you physically do something to it like glob solder everywhere
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[17:27] <Midasx|> Well OC'd it to 950Mhz, I think, it crashed, it rebooted and i set it back to stock, but now it won't come to life ;(
[17:27] <chithead> the rpi is quite robust, we had someone feeding 7V through usb yesterday :)
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> Midasx|, how overvolting did you go?
[17:27] <nid0> did you overvolt it at the same time?
[17:27] <KameSense> Midasx|: maybe wait until the fuses reset
[17:28] <Midasx|> gordonDrogon: 6
[17:28] <Midasx|> KameSense: By jsut leaving it?
[17:28] <trevorman> Midasx|: you just get the PWR LED lighting up?
[17:28] <Midasx|> Yeah
[17:28] <Midasx|> The OK light flickers as well
[17:28] <trevorman> KameSense: the fuses shouldn't matter as they only go high resistance if you're trying to draw too much current from the USB ports
[17:29] <Midasx|> For some idiotic reason I forgot to back up my program on it, you can mount the SD cards right?
[17:29] <KameSense> trevorman: I thought there was a protection on power too
[17:29] <trevorman> Midasx|: try a different SD card with a fresh image to see if the bootloader was corrupted
[17:29] <trevorman> KameSense: yeah but thats 700mA. the SoC won't draw that
[17:30] <trevorman> if it does then the SoC is pretty much toast already
[17:30] <Midasx|> trevorman: Yeah I need to find a card spare though, may have to jsut wait for a day or two till I can borrow my mates
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[17:30] <trevorman> Midasx|: you need a Linux box or live CD to mount the card
[17:31] <KameSense> or a VM
[17:31] <Midasx|> trevorman: Yeah I figured, shame my laptop is dead as well! I can boot into a live CD though, ora VVM you say!
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[17:34] <[SLB]> Midasx|, yes seems like card got corrupted
[17:35] <Midasx|> I mounted it in a VM, and I can see the file system but my files are missing, any ideas?
[17:36] <[SLB]> all missing?
[17:36] <Midasx|> well I go into the root directory where i had my bits and peices, and none of them are there
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[17:37] <[SLB]> try to unmount the partitions and do a fsck -fC
[17:37] <[SLB]> then check the lost and found folder
[17:37] <trevorman> you kept your stuff in / or /root?
[17:37] <trevorman> you sure its not in your home directory?
[17:37] <Midasx|> /root, and yeah I checked both
[17:39] <Midasx|> I ran fsck -fC and it says Inodes that were part of a corrupted orphan linked list found. Sound right? SHoudl I fix it?
[17:39] <[SLB]> fix
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[17:42] <Midasx|> I'm just saying yes to alotof stuff, fingers corssd
[17:42] <nid0> if you get fed up agreeing, just cancel and rerun it with fsck -y
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[17:43] <trevorman> Midasx|: were you using the frequency scaling?
[17:43] <Midasx|> Done now, I felt homer with the y key
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[17:43] <booyaa> hola
[17:43] <trevorman> you need the nodding bird thing
[17:43] <trevorman> Hi
[17:43] <Midasx|> Exactly
[17:44] <Midasx|> Well that is done, I can't see my files though
[17:44] <trevorman> look in lost+found
[17:44] <Midasx|> But i can see some stuff that I did to the system
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[17:50] <Midasx|> trevorman: I founda few config files in lost and found :) Is there an easy way to navigate the contents? I have not used it before. Im currenlty jsut searching all teh files for strings I used int eh program
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[17:51] <trevorman> not really. it'll all get dumped into lost+found. you can try using file *
[17:51] <trevorman> expect some of them to not be complete or have chunks of some other file mixed in though
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[17:53] <Midasx|> Found it! <3
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[17:55] <Midasx|> I am assuming the card is corrupted though?
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[17:59] <discopig> lol
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[18:01] <trevorman> Midasx|: the FS probably is. the card itself should be fine. if you can work out what files were corrupted then you can repair that particular install but easier option is just to start again *shrug*
[18:02] <Midasx|> trevorman: yeah I shall try it and wipe if I don't succeed, all my precous settings! (that are all backed up)
[18:03] <trevorman> Midasx|: were you using the dynamic clock scaling though?
[18:04] <trevorman> or was it fixed at some particular speed
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[18:05] <Midasx|> I think I had it set to ondemand, which is dynamic right?
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[18:06] <discopig> yes
[18:07] <Midasx|> Could that have caused the problem?
[18:09] <trevorman> some people have gotten FS corruption from that
[18:09] <Hoerie> wasn't raspbmc rc5 held back due to fs corruption problems using some of the oc profiles?
[18:12] <Midasx|> What do you recommend to write images to sd cards in windows?
[18:12] <Midasx|> Never mind
[18:13] <Midasx|> I retract that nevermind, trying to find what i used last time, and not succeding
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[18:13] <trevorman> https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer
[18:14] <Midasx|> Got it thank you! Was jsut trying to remember what Ihad used before!
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[18:15] <trevorman> use that link to download it though. the one from softpedia has ads or something.
[18:15] <Midasx|> 14MB/s woo that is fast
[18:17] <Midasx|> Done :)
[18:18] <dirty_d> hey nice, you guys got the harf-float conversion done :0
[18:18] <dirty_d> :)
[18:18] <dirty_d> thats nwo the official image for rpi?
[18:18] <dirty_d> now*
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[18:19] <dirty_d> oops wrong channel, lol
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[18:19] <dirty_d> and i see its now the official image for rpi
[18:19] <dirty_d> what the....?
[18:19] <dirty_d> how did i send to this channel again
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[18:21] <Midasx|> Woo back in my pi :)
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[18:23] <trevorman> Midasx|: best to avoid the frequency scaling for now until they work out what causes the problems
[18:23] <[diecast]> anyone using occidentalis - can you tell me if the /etc/issue file has the distro name or just say "Debian GNU/Linux wheezy...."
[18:24] <Midasx|> when resizing the filesystem to fill the card to you resize2fs then reboot or reboot then resize2fs?
[18:24] <discopig> the pi makes a nice living room computer
[18:24] <dirty_d> really?
[18:24] <[diecast]> Midasx|: the first
[18:24] <dirty_d> i tried but it was too slow for my liking
[18:24] <[diecast]> resize is done on a mounted running fs, then you reboot
[18:25] <dirty_d> i only use mine to play movies and as a lightweight server
[18:25] <dirty_d> i use mine as a router sometimes, i need a 2nd one
[18:26] <dirty_d> you have to reboot?
[18:27] <[diecast]> yes
[18:27] <dirty_d> i dont remember how i resized mine
[18:27] <dirty_d> i dont remember rebooting though
[18:27] <[diecast]> unless you are booting from something else and are able to unmount and remount the rootfs
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[18:27] <dirty_d> i actually may have done it with the sdcard plugged into my pc
[18:28] <nemik> anyone have recommendations for a browser in the pi? is chrome or FF preferred?
[18:28] <[diecast]> links =)
[18:29] <nemik> lol. ideally i need one that can be full-screen, and boot into full-screen
[18:29] <discopig> turbo mode speeds GUI stuff a lot
[18:30] <discopig> and split set to 192/64
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[18:30] <nemik> does chrome work?
[18:30] <discopig> 64 can play most videos and things decently
[18:30] <discopig> i didnt try it
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[18:31] <[diecast]> nemik: didnt try... i only used the one that shipped with it
[18:31] <nemik> [diecast]: which is that?
[18:31] <nemik> in raspbian?
[18:31] <discopig> i tried chrome on a device with similar specs thouhg, and it was pretty slow (600mhz cortex-a8, 256mb ram, nokia n900 phone)
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[18:33] <[diecast]> nemik: Dillo
[18:33] <[diecast]> Midori
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[18:33] <[diecast]> i tried both of those
[18:33] <[diecast]> worked fine
[18:33] <nemik> rather than use GTK or that crap, i'd want to create a GUI for the pi using HTML5 in a full-screen browser. to make a pretty simple app that it can just boot into
[18:33] <nemik> ah Midori, ok i'll look into that then. thanks
[18:34] <Midasx|> nemik: Kinda like a chrome book?
[18:34] <nemik> Midasx|: yes
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[18:35] <nemik> so i'd prefer chromium since i'll be using a lot of JS and CSS for it, all hosted on a local http server, so pages would just be full-screened localhost ones
[18:35] <[diecast]> nemik: do you have a pi
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[18:36] <Mihaylov> Hello all!
[18:37] <nemik> [diecast]: not yet, on order. just trying to plan ahead when it comes
[18:38] <[diecast]> its hard to wait, i know. but you'll get an idea once it is in hand of what will run as you expect
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[18:38] <nemik> apparently someone built chromium for it too, perfect. i think that's all i need then.
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[18:41] <tripgod> How well does chromium run on the pi?
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[18:42] <Mihaylov> Netsurf runs fine
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[18:49] <enapupe> cool
[18:50] <enapupe> I just tried to boot my Pi for the fist time
[18:50] <des2> Did it blow up ?
[18:50] <[diecast]> what stopped you?
[18:50] <discopig> i wish i had ordered 2 or 3 pis instead of 1
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[18:50] <enapupe> I don't have a monitor
[18:51] <enapupe> and my mother stole my sd card reader
[18:51] <[diecast]> usb cable terminal connection
[18:51] <des2> enable sshd and ssh in
[18:51] <enapupe> and the Pi isn't showing up on the modem
[18:51] <[diecast]> oh, well, that part is important
[18:51] <[diecast]> how are you connecting
[18:52] <enapupe> The perfect scenario would be connect ethernet cabble, power in, wait a few secs
[18:52] <[diecast]> or trying
[18:52] <enapupe> and see it is connected to the modem
[18:52] <[diecast]> my first boot was a usb cable that both powered and allowed me to terminal connect
[18:53] <[diecast]> no monitor, no ethernet, etc
[18:53] <enapupe> [diecast]: I don't know this method, can you explain?
[18:53] <enapupe> how it works..
[18:53] <enapupe> usb to usb? both male?
[18:53] <[diecast]> http://www.adafruit.com/products/954
[18:53] <enapupe> cool
[18:53] <enapupe> But I don't have it :D
[18:54] <Midasx|> http://imgur.com/a/ibjTq
[18:54] <enapupe> Is there any led that indicates the system bootup sucefully?
[18:54] <WarheadsSE> just a standard 3.3v USB TTL/RS232
[18:54] <enapupe> I cant guarantee that my sd card is working
[18:54] <enapupe> because i have no monitor
[18:54] <[diecast]> Midasx|: those look like some RC car heatsinks i have
[18:54] <[diecast]> for ESC
[18:55] <Midasx|> [diecast]: They may well be, I found them at my place of work in an od dbits drawer
[18:55] <[diecast]> heh.. then they could be the team associated factory kit blue spec ones i have
[18:55] <[diecast]> but im guessing they are some mass produced item that people re-sell
[18:55] <grabphil> it dont boot when a hdmi cable is not plugged in
[18:56] <enapupe> grabphil: are u kidding me, right?
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[18:56] <enapupe> [diecast]: maybe ethernet to ethernet? is this possible?
[18:56] <[diecast]> enapupe: a cross-over cable?
[18:56] <grabphil> never sincs up to mine if i have the screen off first
[18:56] <enapupe> yes
[18:56] <enapupe> [diecast]: yes
[18:56] <grabphil> ethernet to ethernet sounds good
[18:57] <[diecast]> sure it is possible but you would need to be sure the pi is running sshd and you can get the same ip subnet
[18:57] <grabphil> they boot quick
[18:57] <trevorman> grabphil: you sure its not booting or just not displaying anything?
[18:57] <enapupe> trevorman:
[18:57] <trevorman> grabphil: you can force it to always assume something is plugged into the HDMI socket
[18:57] <enapupe> [diecast]: cool, after pluggin in and booting, what can I do to check if this subnet exists?/
[18:57] <[diecast]> orange/green are switched in a cross-over if i recall
[18:57] <grabphil> i just turn the screen on first who cares its simple
[18:58] <enapupe> [diecast]: the ethernet lights are dead right now, plugged in the router
[18:58] <enapupe> [diecast]: maybe because de SD card isn't working?
[18:58] <[diecast]> could be
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[18:58] <[diecast]> or maybe not enough power
[18:58] <[diecast]> to the unit
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[18:58] <enapupe> 700mA
[18:58] <[diecast]> how are you pwoering it
[18:58] <[diecast]> ok, so that is good enough
[18:58] <enapupe> shall I try with a 1A?
[18:58] <[diecast]> might as well
[18:58] <enapupe> i'll try 1A, brb
[18:59] <grabphil> enapupe: mine was a slag when it had low power going through
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[19:00] <[diecast]> ya me too
[19:00] <grabphil> is there a good shooter with ethernet to ethernet type multiplayer
[19:00] <[diecast]> doom
[19:00] <[diecast]> quake
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[19:01] <enapupe> the 1A charger isn't working
[19:01] <[diecast]> pretty sure you can turn most any game into a LAN only with 3rd party software
[19:01] <grabphil> diecast: too much boobing up and down. but that does run on this then
[19:01] <Midasx|> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=18948
[19:01] <enapupe> it is a LG charger, 5.1v 700mA
[19:02] <enapupe> 5.1V is ok?
[19:02] <grabphil> does debian link to windows as well through a game or is it like xbox and ps3 seperation??? any
[19:02] <[diecast]> 5.1 should be fine
[19:02] <[diecast]> if you hooked up a meter you probably dont even get 5
[19:02] <enapupe> this is a reliable charger..
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[19:03] <enapupe> I have seen worse ones than this
[19:03] <manitou> mu htc desire charger is 1A 5V newest have 700ma
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[19:05] <enapupe> [diecast]: i'll try the crossover ethernet cabble. But I'm going offline to do this..
[19:05] <enapupe> [diecast]: what can I do after booting?
[19:05] <enapupe> i'm at ubuntu
[19:05] <[diecast]> have fun
[19:05] <[diecast]> you can do linux stuff
[19:05] <[diecast]> =)
[19:05] <enapupe> yes, I mean
[19:05] <grabphil> whould typeing sudo install quake work
[19:05] <enapupe> to check if it is alive
[19:06] <[diecast]> if quake is in the repo
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[19:06] <enapupe> before loggin in
[19:06] <[diecast]> enapupe: use top maybe
[19:06] <enapupe> to see if the crossover thing worked
[19:06] <enapupe> if it is alive
[19:06] <grabphil> repo???
[19:06] <enapupe> and stuff
[19:06] <[diecast]> grabphil: apt-cache search quake
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[19:07] <[diecast]> looks like it is.... apt-get install quake... apt-get install quake3 =)
[19:07] <trevorman> enapupe: you only need a crossover cable if you're plugging it directly into another PC
[19:07] <enapupe> trevorman: I know.. but, after pluggin in
[19:07] <enapupe> oh nevermind
[19:07] <[diecast]> sounds like thats what he wanted to do, but he mentioned a router. so a plain ethernet will work too if both are plugged into the router
[19:08] <enapupe> i'll figure it out
[19:08] <[diecast]> you can do a scan on your network
[19:08] <enapupe> how
[19:08] <[diecast]> or check the router info page
[19:08] <trevorman> if its a switch or a consumer router then you want a straight through patch lead
[19:08] <enapupe> no routers
[19:08] <[diecast]> login to your router and see if the device is there
[19:08] <enapupe> I will plug raspberru pi directly into my computer
[19:08] <enapupe> with the crossover
[19:08] <[diecast]> ok
[19:08] <enapupe> the router thing didn't worked
[19:08] <enapupe> no news dhcp clients showd up
[19:09] <enapupe> ok, brb
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[19:11] <enapupe> nothing.. like a dead cabble
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[19:11] <trevorman> enapupe: its your SD card. what and how did you write the image to it?
[19:12] <enapupe> trevorman: yes, I think it is the sd..
[19:12] <enapupe> df
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[19:12] <enapupe> is it df? I forgot the name of the bin
[19:12] <trevorman> dd you mean?
[19:12] <enapupe> yes
[19:12] <trevorman> what command did you use exactly?
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[19:13] <enapupe> Don't know anymore, was 2 months ago.. my pi took too much time to arribe :P
[19:13] <enapupe> trevorman: I'll remake this thing
[19:13] <trevorman> eh. start again with a new raspbian image
[19:13] <enapupe> and follow some ssh enabling tutorials
[19:13] <trevorman> its been updated a lot since then
[19:13] <enapupe> and enable dhcp
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[19:13] <enapupe> but my mother stole my sd card reader
[19:13] <enapupe> haha
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[19:14] <enapupe> trevorman: where do I find the latest raspbian?
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[19:14] <Vibe> enapupe: http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads
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[19:15] <enapupe> step-18
[19:15] <enapupe> sept*
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[19:15] <enapupe> cool
[19:15] <Mihaylov> i think there was a 20 sept
[19:16] <enapupe> trevorman: I remember on DD that one of the arguments wasn't working
[19:16] <Vibe> when just update & upgrade it normally in debian
[19:16] <enapupe> and I had to take it off
[19:16] <Vibe> *then just
[19:16] <grabphil> i tried apt-cache search quake thats great
[19:16] <Vibe> with apt-get
[19:16] <trevorman> enapupe: the /dev/ one I assume?
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[19:17] <trevorman> enapupe: put the card into the SD reader and plug it into any PC. you should see at least 2 partitions. the first one is a small FAT partition if its been written correctly.
[19:17] <grabphil> apt-get install quake gives me a hassle about thing i dont understand
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[19:17] <enapupe> trevorman: nevermind, I'll restart from this fresh download
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[19:17] <enapupe> then I'll mount, check and adjust the ethernet stuff e ssh
[19:18] <enapupe> and*
[19:18] <enapupe> What went wrong on the dd was this:
[19:18] <enapupe> dd bs=4M if=~/2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/sdd
[19:18] <grabphil> vibe; installing it i have no idea about
[19:18] <enapupe> i couldn't do bs=4M
[19:18] <enapupe> so I took it off
[19:18] <enapupe> dd if=~/2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/sdd
[19:19] <enapupe> But I don't think this would brake the sd off
[19:19] <trevorman> that should work still
[19:19] <trevorman> just try it again anyway with the new image
[19:20] <enapupe> yes, will do
[19:20] <[SLB]> bs=1M
[19:21] <grabphil> does wget get something from a cache search
[19:22] <grabphil> does ,wget, get something from a ,apt-cache search,
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[19:45] <__7outi__> Hi guy. I'm gonna receive my RPI soon but there's an unclear point in the installation phase for me.
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[19:46] <Midasx_> Sweet
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[19:46] <__7outi__> If I only dd my debian squeeze image on my sd card, it won't be persistent right ?
[19:47] <__7outi__> It means that if I modify some conf file for example, my changes will be lost when rebooting ?
[19:47] <__7outi__> (hope my question is not stupid...)
[19:47] <discopig> __7outi__, it will be persistent
[19:47] <discopig> dd is just another way to copy something to a device
[19:47] <discopig> it would do the same as manually creating a partition and copying a system
[19:48] <discopig> anything you change on it will be persistent and work as usual
[19:48] <frakles> hey! does anyone here know what kind of latency there is on the ADC on the Gertboard?
[19:48] <__7outi__> Cool :) Thanks for the precision discopig
[19:49] <frakles> (I want to build a lightning sensor for my camera and already have a shutter lag of 90ms to contend with)
[19:50] <discopig> well i suck at explaining, but the short answer is it will work the same as if you installed any other way
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[19:55] <nid0> as a minor addition though, the debian squeeze image is now very out of date
[19:55] <nid0> it was replaced by a wheezy raspbian image some time ago
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[20:01] <Hexxeh> hmm, tested a whole bunch of Pi today, not a single one can pass 1.2GHz
[20:01] <Hexxeh> interesting
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[20:02] <[SLB]> how much overvolting?
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[20:03] <Hexxeh> but just about all of them would do 1.2GHz at 1.375v
[20:03] <Midasx_> new system is setup :) but I don't seem to have the tempreature sensor in /sys/class/thermal/, any ideas how I get this?
[20:03] <[SLB]> Midasx_, have to update the firmware to get that
[20:03] <Hexxeh> another interesting thing, 1.35v won't boot at all (kernel panic very early on), but 1.375v seems completely stable
[20:04] <Midasx_> mm acording to rpiupdate Ihave the latest version
[20:04] <Hexxeh> seems too much of a coincidence that they're just about all like this
[20:05] <[SLB]> yeps sounds like so
[20:05] <[SLB]> Midasx_, you don't have /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp?
[20:05] <Hexxeh> running stress tests on a bunch of them at 1.375v at the moment, been running for 6-7 hours now, hopefully some of them drop and disprove my theory
[20:05] <Midasx_> [SLB]: version 339133 (release)
[20:05] <[SLB]> and uname -a?
[20:06] <Midasx_> Linux Arch 3.2.27-8-ARCH+ #1 PREEMPT Wed Sep 26 23:12:01 UTC 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[20:06] <[SLB]> the fact that no one died yet Hexxeh is quite a good sign eheh
[20:06] <Midasx_> the thermal directory isn't present in /sys/class/
[20:06] <Hexxeh> meh, they could fail after days [SLB]
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[20:06] <Hexxeh> they could also fail for reasons unrelated to the OC
[20:06] <[SLB]> ah arch, not sure Midasx_
[20:06] <[SLB]> oh eheh right
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[20:07] <Midasx_> Well I had it before I bricked my card (Like an hour earlier), and now I am setting it back up, everything appears upto date so not sure
[20:08] <[SLB]> how did you update the system, just rpi-update?
[20:08] <Hexxeh> Midasx_: are you running raspbian?
[20:08] <Midasx_> Yeah, plus pacman -Syu
[20:08] <Midasx_> Hexxeh: Arch
[20:08] <Hexxeh> oh, arch.
[20:08] <Hexxeh> no idea about arch, sorry.
[20:08] <[SLB]> but vcgencmd works?
[20:09] <Hexxeh> 1.2GHz gives almost double the benchmark scores of stock speeds, which is cool
[20:09] <[SLB]> nice eheh
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[20:09] <Hexxeh> 222 -> 408, 31 -> 57
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[20:10] <Hexxeh> fwiw the same test on a 2.4ghz xeon scores like 5x that
[20:10] <Midasx_> Hexxeh: Thanks for rpi-update btw :)
[20:10] <Hexxeh> which isn't exactly a fair comparison since it's a single threaded benchmark
[20:10] <Hexxeh> Midasx_: glad you find it useful
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[20:11] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: you run over_voltage=6 right?
[20:11] <Midasx_> afk
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[20:15] <Hexxeh> is there a popular raspberry pi specific wiki out there?
[20:15] <Hexxeh> it seems like there should be
[20:15] <Hexxeh> i know there's a lot of stuff on elinux, but that seems fairly low-activity
[20:15] <Hexxeh> there's a lot of cool stuff i've only found by scouring the forums regularly
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[20:27] <donnib> hi
[20:28] <donnib> how much power is required for the different overclocking settings ?
[20:28] <donnib> i have an 1A power supply and i am not sure it's enough
[20:29] <trevorman> 1A is fine. there is a 700mA fuse on the input of the RPi anyway.
[20:29] <Hexxeh> wasn't that removed on later versions?
[20:29] <Hexxeh> ah no, just the USB polyfuses, my bad
[20:30] <Hexxeh> wait no, yes i'm right :p
[20:30] <Hexxeh> there's a 700ma polyfuse on the microusb in
[20:30] <donnib> which means ?
[20:30] <trevorman> 1A is fine
[20:31] <donnib> for the highest over clocking setting ?
[20:31] <trevorman> yes
[20:31] <trevorman> the overclock presets aren't guaranteed btw
[20:31] <donnib> hmm
[20:31] <Hexxeh> i'm running mine on a 1A supply at 1.2ghz with over_voltage=8, no issues
[20:31] <donnib> no, unless temp is bellow 85
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[20:31] <trevorman> its still not guaranteed to hit the highest preset
[20:31] <donnib> so it's a temp issue ?
[20:32] <trevorman> no. its luck of the draw
[20:32] <donnib> what's keeping it ?
[20:32] <Hexxeh> not all processors are created equal
[20:32] <Hexxeh> some can just go faster than others
[20:32] <donnib> i see
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[20:32] <donnib> any way i can see the speed live in terminal ?
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[20:33] <trevorman> vcgencmd measure_clock core
[20:33] <trevorman> or arm
[20:33] <donnib> i am trying to figure out some reboots i have, to see who causes them SD or Power supply
[20:33] <donnib> vcgencmd measure_clock core not working ?
[20:33] <[SLB]> watch -n 1 /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock arm
[20:34] <trevorman> you got an old bootloader?
[20:34] <donnib> the above written by [SLB] is working
[20:34] <Midasx_> bk
[20:34] <donnib> says 700
[20:34] <[SLB]> open another terminal and do some tests from there while watch is running
[20:35] <Midasx_> donnib: I have just been overclocking my Pi so I may be of help
[20:35] <[SLB]> something like will do: time echo "scale=2000;4*a(1)" | bc -l
[20:35] <donnib> thx, that's what i am doing now
[20:35] <trevorman> the dynamic clock scaling isn't ready for primetime IMO
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[20:35] <Hexxeh> trevorman: what's wrong with it?
[20:35] <donnib> [SLB]: to stress is ?
[20:35] <trevorman> the reports of FS corruption seem to be linked to this
[20:35] <Hexxeh> nbench is a good test, btw
[20:36] <trevorman> Hexxeh: loads of people are getting FS corruption with the dynamic freq scaling
[20:36] <donnib> bench made it jump to 900
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[20:36] <Mihaylov> Is there an arm assembler gui?
[20:36] <trevorman> Hexxeh: locking it to a specific speed and only that speed seems to be fine though *shrug*
[20:36] <Hexxeh> wget https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3669512/temp/nbench_linaro && chmod +x nbench_linaro && ./nbench_linaro
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[20:36] <Hexxeh> trevorman: iirc that was fixed recently
[20:36] <Hodapp> ASM assembler GUI?!
[20:36] <trevorman> Hexxeh: Midasx_ hit it just now
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[20:36] <Hexxeh> he's not running latest though
[20:37] <Hexxeh> unless he's ran rpi-update prior to booting
[20:37] <trevorman> Hexxeh: you mean initial_turbo? or has it actually been properly fixed
[20:37] <Hexxeh> the udelay stuff
[20:37] <Midasx_> wget http://squixy.co.uk/stress.c; gcc stress.c -o stress; ./stress will benchmark your system kinda
[20:37] <Hexxeh> trevorman: there were some issues with the mmc clock, which were fixed i believe
[20:37] <trevorman> 5 days ago it appears
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[20:38] <donnib> how do i see the bootloader version ?
[20:38] <trevorman> [diecast]: was it you that had the RPi with a serial number but no revision number?
[20:38] <Mihaylov> Hodapp I mean something where I can see in real time the registers while running asm
[20:38] <Midasx_> Hexxeh: What is that nbench program? I'm curious :)
[20:39] <Hexxeh> Midasx_: an ancient linux benchmark
[20:39] <Hexxeh> http://www.tux.org/~mayer/linux/bmark.html
[20:39] <trevorman> [diecast]: if so then this might explain why https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commit/9c8c1bd57e40d4a8b7e019eebf7d5d964ed8ac9b
[20:39] <[diecast]> trevorman: yes that was me
[20:39] <[diecast]> the fix was to set the version in config.txt to 2 and reboot
[20:40] <trevorman> the bootloader will set a random one now if the factory didn't set it. I guess it doesn't do the revision as it can't tell.
[20:40] <[diecast]> ah
[20:40] <trevorman> [diecast]: I know. I told you to do that but at your own risk :P
[20:40] <Hodapp> Mihaylov: That'd be a debugger
[20:40] <Hexxeh> wait
[20:40] <Hexxeh> sets a random one?
[20:40] <[diecast]> trevorman: yes i remember ;)
[20:40] <Hexxeh> that sounds bad...
[20:40] <Hodapp> Mihaylov: gdb will let you single-step ASM
[20:40] <[diecast]> then dom alo said it was ok without risk
[20:40] <[diecast]> so i did it ;)
[20:40] <Midasx_> Hexxeh: Ah okay, I just made my own like that (sort of)http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=18948
[20:40] <Mihaylov> Hodapp thanks
[20:41] <Hexxeh> you know
[20:41] <Hexxeh> i'm amazed nobody has figured out how to use the codecs without buying them yet...
[20:41] <[diecast]> trevorman: thanks =)
[20:41] <trevorman> Hexxeh: a few RPis have gotten out of the factory without the OTP bits set correctly. dom just tells you to burn a random number.
[20:42] <Hexxeh> serial is set via those bits too?
[20:42] <trevorman> yes
[20:42] <Hexxeh> aha
[20:42] <trevorman> serial + revision
[20:42] <Hexxeh> so you could request a codec for ffffffff
[20:42] <Hexxeh> burn all the extra bits...
[20:42] <Midasx_> What was the file that set if your pi was on overload or powersave? I can't remmebr the name!
[20:42] <trevorman> Hexxeh: so the codec keys are compared to the serial number fed through some algorithm
[20:42] <trevorman> Hexxeh: if you can work out how to set those bits though
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, over_voltage=6 in turbo mode.
[20:43] <trevorman> Hexxeh: the config.txt options that program it don't do anything if a number is already set
[20:43] <Hexxeh> i'm sure if i threw a few hours at it i could figure it out
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[20:43] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: any have you tried 8 instead of 6? if so, did you manage to get any higher clocks?
[20:43] <Hexxeh> trevorman: i know, i'm talking about reversing the firmware
[20:43] <trevorman> Hexxeh: last I saw, the person who was trying to reverse engineer the VC hadn't gotten very far with it
[20:44] <trevorman> they had some basic information on the instructions and a few snippets of sample code but not very much past that
[20:44] <Hexxeh> there's a considerable amount of stuff going on with VC i've heard of in secret
[20:44] <trevorman> definitely not enough to work out what the bootloader is fully doing
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, no - I just went to 6. I think the turbo mode only goes to 6, doesn't it?
[20:44] <Hexxeh> gordonDrogon: correct, i have turbo disabled
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[20:45] <gordonDrogon> Hexxeh, not that fussed really. it's fast enough for what I'm doing with it.
[20:45] <Hexxeh> people have figured quite a bit out by poking at the firmware
[20:45] <Hexxeh> dynamic memory splits, for example
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> strings | grep ...
[20:45] <trevorman> thats easy though
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[20:45] <trevorman> considering they're pretty much the same image except for the 240MB one
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[20:46] <trevorman> the main thing that hinders reverse engineering it is the sheer size of the bootloader. you can chop out a load of it because they'll be codec vlls but its still massive.
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[20:47] <trevorman> AC`97 was trying to brute force the keys on his RPi. I assume he got fed up of it.
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[20:47] <trevorman> 8 attempts each reboot. many many many many reboots necessary
[20:48] <[SLB]> what's different for the 240 one?
[20:48] <Hexxeh> has codec/opengles stuff removed
[20:48] <Hexxeh> stripped down basically
[20:48] <trevorman> what he said
[20:49] <Midasx_> Hexxeh: How can I check my firmware is the latest version?
[20:49] <trevorman> as that stuff wouldn't be able to run with only 16MB
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[20:49] <[SLB]> oh, to let the gpu work with just 16?
[20:49] <[SLB]> i see eheh
[20:49] <Midasx_> Is 16mb required even for just text interfaces?
[20:49] <trevorman> yes
[20:50] <Midasx_> Would be nice to have the whole 256 since I enver use a GUI
[20:50] <trevorman> its not a GPU
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[20:54] <linuxstb> trevorman: Do you know if there's a limit to the number of license keys you can put in a single config? From your comment, I'm guessing it's 8?
[20:55] <trevorman> 8 per codec
[20:55] <trevorman> you put it all on one line
[20:56] <Hexxeh> comma separated iirc
[20:56] <linuxstb> Yes, comma-separated. I current;y have 3 PIs. so 3 license keys. I was curious to know what the limit was.
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> I have no licenses for Pis..
[20:56] <Hexxeh> me neither
[20:56] <Hexxeh> don't really need them
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[20:57] <linuxstb> I bought the Pis with the aim of using them for DVB streaming, so can't really do without them...
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[20:57] <gordonDrogon> nod
[20:57] <trevorman> linuxstb: its so you can put them all into a single unified config.txt and share it. at least up to 8 RPis anyway. if you've got more then you'll have to come up with some other solution.
[20:57] <Hexxeh> i bought my Pis for two reasons, to make them browse the web as fast as possible and also to run as servers :)
[20:57] <linuxstb> Although I did get software MPEG-2 working OK for relatively low bitrate SD streams.
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[20:58] <Hexxeh> managed to double the v8bench score since i started working on it
[20:58] <trevorman> I bought the MPEG2 one to mess around with DVB-T
[20:59] <linuxstb> Using a DVB-T USB stick on the Pi?
[20:59] * linuxstb is working on https://github.com/linuxstb/pidvbip/
[21:00] <trevorman> nah. DVB stick on a server
[21:00] <trevorman> using tvheadend ;)
[21:01] <linuxstb> Ah, then you could use pidvbip ;)
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[21:02] <nOStahl> woot wife just texted me, she bought me a bluetooth keyboard case for my iPad
[21:03] <trevorman> linuxstb: i'll have a look. i'm using it with xbmc at the moment which is a bit heavyweight just to watch some TV.
[21:03] * pepijndevos is now known as pepijn_away
[21:04] <linuxstb> Yes, that's why I'm writing pidvbip. The aim is to develop something that can replace a TV's built-in tuner for day-to-day TV viewing.
[21:04] <linuxstb> It's still quite buggy, but is getting to become usable.
[21:05] <linuxstb> If you're a programmer, help would be very welcome ;)
[21:05] <linuxstb> If not, then I welcome feedback and feature ideas...
[21:06] <trevorman> heh. i'm even a C programmer
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[21:10] <donnib> how long is rpi-update suppose to take ? i have waited more than 10 min
[21:11] <donnib> it's stuck at Updating firmware (this will take a few minutes)
[21:11] <[SLB]> first time it downloads about 100 mb or more
[21:11] <Hexxeh> it can take a while
[21:11] <donnib> any way to see progress ?
[21:11] <[SLB]> top or iotop
[21:12] <axion> or htop, which includes i/o
[21:12] <[SLB]> ^
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[21:13] <Hexxeh> v8bench score of 157, niice.
[21:13] <axion> if running htop all the time i recommend updating every 5s or more on the pi (-d50) as to not use a constant 5+_% cpu time
[21:14] <donnib> hmm what i suppose to see with top ? i mean is there an process that should work when updating ?
[21:14] <asaru> hmm
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[21:24] <[SLB]> still crunching?
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[21:28] <donnib> yup
[21:28] <donnib> have no idea what it'sdoing
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[21:32] <donnib> something is not right i think
[21:33] <donnib> more than 20 min???.
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[21:35] <[SLB]> sounds weird indeed
[21:35] <[SLB]> maybe it's stuck
[21:35] <[SLB]> what about htop?
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[21:46] <donnib> i stopped it
[21:46] <donnib> i'll try another time
[21:47] <[SLB]> i'd check if it still boots now..
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[22:04] <hotwings> man today is going slow
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[22:47] <__7outi__> Hi, I've troubles to make my RPI image run with Qemu.
[22:47] <__7outi__> I'd like to use this command : qemu-system-arm -kernel MY_KERNEL -cpu arm1176 -m 256 -M versatilepb -no-reboot -serial stdio -append "root=/dev/sdX panic=1" -hda MY_RPI_IMG.img
[22:48] <__7outi__> But I don't really understand the meaning of the "root=/dev/sdX". With what should I replace the "X" ?
[22:48] <zleap> usually partition number
[22:49] * [SLB]` is now known as [SLB]
[22:49] <zleap> if I am right sda is the device, and the numbers represent differebt partitiobs on the device
[22:49] <MrBIOS-> __7outi__ so if the first partition on your image is boot, it would be sda
[22:49] <MrBIOS-> but it depends on how it's partitioned
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[22:49] <zleap> yeah
[22:49] <zleap> df -h may help
[22:49] <zleap> __7outi__, is this to work out where to copy the img file to ?
[22:50] <zleap> oh sorry jujst read up,
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[22:50] <__7outi__> I didn't change the image. It is the image I downloaded.
[22:51] <__7outi__> 2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian.img
[22:51] <zleap> i used dd when i made my boot disk,
[22:52] <__7outi__> Yes I dd it on /dev/sdb which is my sdcard
[22:52] <__7outi__> so I should put "root=/dev/sdb1" ?
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[22:53] <[SLB]> 2
[22:53] <__7outi__> (I'm a bit lost, as I don't understand how Qemu work despite what I could read)
[22:53] <__7outi__> Thanks SLB I try it :)
[22:53] <[SLB]> :)
[22:54] <[SLB]> 1 is /boot
[22:55] <__7outi__> aaah ! It's rebooting all the time !
[22:55] <__7outi__> pflash_write: Unimplemented flash cmd sequence (offset 0000000000000000, wcycle 0x0 cmd 0x0 value 0xf000f0)
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[22:59] <AC`97> trevorman: actually, i bruteforced a couple million @ each boot
[22:59] <trevorman> AC`97: it says it only reads 8 each time
[23:00] <__7outi__> Ach. Doesn't seem to be a common error :s But maybe I have problem with my dd... It took 15 to 20 minutes. Quite longer than what is expected.
[23:00] <AC`97> indeed.
[23:00] * pepijndevos is now known as pepijn_away
[23:01] <AC`97> it's actually quite simple, if you have some computer-literate friends
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[23:01] <[SLB]> lol
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[23:03] <trevorman> AC`97: not really going to get anywhere then if you're trying millions but it only reads the first/last 8. not unless you get super crazy lucky and if so then you should just buy a lottery ticket instead,
[23:03] <AC`97> trevorman: false.
[23:04] <AC`97> it reads as many as i put in.
[23:04] <trevorman> how do you know it does?
[23:04] <AC`97> otherwise, what are the chances of me getting it right in less than 100 tries?
[23:04] <AC`97> if i tried 4-8 million per boot
[23:05] <[SLB]> how many digits is the code composed of?
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[23:05] <AC`97> er, checking
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[23:05] <AC`97> actually, pi is off, so no ssh. LOL
[23:06] <trevorman> surprising you kept it quiet then if you really did succeed
[23:06] * AC`97 is at work, stealin' your monies
[23:06] <trevorman> whatever you say
[23:06] <AC`97> trevorman: i did succeed. i announced it in this channel
[23:06] <AC`97> nobody was interested.
[23:06] <AC`97> the end.
[23:06] <manitou> end the
[23:06] <AC`97> was nobody interested?
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[23:08] <AC`97> also, did i mention that i successfully converted my system from armv6l to armv6h from within the RPi?
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[23:11] <des2> Yes you did.
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[23:12] <manitou> share how you did it !? its interested story
[23:12] <s5fs> Hi gang, what's the best place to get a rasppi (USA)? Looks like allied and element are both out.
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[23:12] <trevorman> its not hard to do. it just requires a lot of shuffling around. its not a supported procedure because automating it will most likely result in a broken system because of changes the user has made.
[23:12] <manitou> 10 weeks
[23:13] <trevorman> if you've made minimal alterations to the configuration then its mainly you getting a copy of some statically linked utilities and moving the old tree then copying in the new one
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[23:14] <s5fs> manitou: 10 week wait?
[23:14] <manitou> yea
[23:14] <des2> is the ebay auction back s5fs ?
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[23:15] <s5fs> des2: i'd rather not deal with ebay tbh.
[23:15] <s5fs> i'm currently doing work on gumstix and beagleboards and ppl keep pushing me at rasppi but whenever i go looking for hw it's always sold out, or weeks away from delivery
[23:16] <s5fs> any idea when the supply chain issues will be ironed out? seems like this has been going on for far too long, i've been tracking the project for at least 6mo
[23:16] <AC`97> manitou: i cheated. chroot.
[23:16] <AC`97> i think i can actually write a script to do it, if i weren't so lazy (and computer illiterate)
[23:16] <manitou> s5fs: preorder
[23:16] <des2> s5fs it was in stock in a few areas a few weeks ago but it's out again all over it seems.
[23:17] <manitou> if you preordered one 6mnth ago you will get one
[23:17] <trevorman> s5fs: looks like nobody has it. adafruit did have a small supply but it went out of stock very quickly. even the resellers who bundle it don't seem to have stock.
[23:17] <plugwash> The supply chain issues are getting better, RS are still being hopeless but farnell are shipping orders out within a wekk or two afaict
[23:17] <des2> http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-14277
[23:17] <s5fs> trevorman: adafruit was jacking the prices up too iirc
[23:18] <des2> mcm had it but are out now too.
[23:18] <trevorman> s5fs: all the resellers do
[23:18] <s5fs> manitou: true enough, had i purchased 6mo ago i'd have one by now
[23:18] <plugwash> newit claim to have boards in stock
[23:18] <plugwash> http://www.newit.co.uk/shop/products.php?cat=26
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[23:18] <trevorman> s5fs: they don't get a discount iirc. they save on shipping.
[23:18] <plugwash> at only slightly above the farnell price
[23:19] <des2> Newark had it on ebay but they're out again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/380473672724
[23:19] <s5fs> sucks
[23:19] <s5fs> i guess i'll wait another 6mo until the supply is stable
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[23:19] <plugwash> btw s5fs where are you?
[23:19] <s5fs> while i could get on a list and buy a handful, i'd rather build products and have easy access to the hw for prototyping
[23:20] <s5fs> plugwash: portland oregon usa
[23:20] <des2> The UK seems to have a stable supply thanks to Sony.
[23:20] <trevorman> s5fs: it won't take 6 months
[23:20] <s5fs> des2: sony? that's an unlikely source!
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[23:20] <des2> s5fs it's being made at the Sony manufacturing plant inthe UK
[23:20] <s5fs> very interesting!
[23:20] <des2> The US gets theirs from China.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> farnell ran out of Pi's today - more in 2 weeks...
[23:20] <trevorman> s5fs: sony do contract manufacturing
[23:20] <des2> Hence the supply issues.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> according to a tweet from cpc ...
[23:21] <plugwash> the UK had a good supply but everywhere seems to have sold out again
[23:21] <trevorman> they're a vast conglomerate and have loads of companies under the main Sony name
[23:21] <s5fs> yeah, i was going to buy last week but got busy with work :-/
[23:21] <trevorman> mcm thinks ~3 weeks before stock
[23:21] <des2> Eventually the next boar from China will arrice.
[23:22] <s5fs> okay i'll check in another couple weeks i guess. any idea of there is another rev coming soon?
[23:22] <trevorman> are the US ones definitely staying with China for manufacturing? the r2 post seemed to make a big thing about made in the UK
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[23:23] <des2> I think Europe is getting the UK ones while we're still on the China ones for now.
[23:23] <trevorman> s5fs: no announcements so far
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[23:23] <plugwash> trevorman, nothing official has been said but given that farnell are still selling chineese-made boards through their UK distribution center I don't see any reason why they would send UK made boards to other distribution centers
[23:23] <des2> I would think the next announcement is for the Model A which should be out before the end of the year.
[23:23] <manitou> if its produced in cH then its cheaper .
[23:24] <plugwash> (all of europe seem to be getting their Pis from the UK distribution center)
[23:24] <trevorman> plugwash: oh? they've still got china stock coming in?
[23:24] <manitou> no china pis
[23:24] <manitou> ?!?
[23:24] <des2> I think Farnell is getting the Sonys but element14 is getting China
[23:25] <manitou> foxcon rpi
[23:25] <manitou> UK
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[23:25] <trevorman> element14 is farnell
[23:26] <manitou> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2058
[23:26] <plugwash> rather element14 and farnell are both brands of premier farnell
[23:26] <trevorman> plugwash said it better ^
[23:26] <plugwash> So element 14 UK ~= farnell UK
[23:26] <des2> Sorry youj are correct. I meant the other company.
[23:27] <plugwash> but element 14 US ~= newark
[23:27] <manitou> Factory pictures from South Wales
[23:28] <trevorman> des2: an RS Pi is made in nowhere as nobody seems to be able to get stock out of them >.>
[23:28] <des2> I means RS of course.
[23:28] <s5fs> trevorman: friends and family only, haha!
[23:28] <des2> WHich is why they don't have any, they are waiting for the next boat from CHina too.
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[23:29] <s5fs> i mean, i'm not unhappy with beagleboards but at $150 for an xm it really raises my dev costs if i need a bunch of them
[23:29] <trevorman> somebody said the rumour (yup. completely trustworthy information here) is they didn't order enough of the SoC as they didn't anticipate such high demand despite warnings
[23:29] <des2> cubieboards are $50 but you can't buy those either
[23:30] <trevorman> has the manufacturer of the cubieboard actually identified themselves yet?
[23:30] <des2> yes.
[23:30] <aaa801> Right, does anyone have any idea on how to hook up a lcd panel to the pi
[23:31] <des2> What interface does the LCD have ?
[23:31] <manitou> s5fs: why unhappy with beagleboards
[23:31] <trevorman> cubieboard.org = cubietech.com = cubieboard.org
[23:31] <trevorman> and the cubietech wiki is full of spam -.-
[23:32] <s5fs> manitou: not unhappy, cost is the only barrier. i'm developing networked devices so having several of them helps suss out issues.
[23:33] <manitou> s5fs: word :(
[23:33] <aaa801> I havn't got the lcd yet
[23:33] <aaa801> im prob going to pick up a 3" one from ebay
[23:33] <aaa801> However, ive seen someone hookup a psp screen to a beagle, wonder if thats possible on the pi
[23:33] <trevorman> aaa801: needs to be HDMI/DVI, composite, SPI or I2C. anything like LVDS won't work without an external controller board. DSI relies on Broadcom/RaspberryPi to release drivers which we don't have and is quite likely will be tailored for a limited number of LCD panels.
[23:33] <aaa801> fgpa* https://sites.google.com/site/fpgaandco/de0-nano-psp-screen
[23:34] <alan_o> s5fs: 125 for the -xm. There's also the BeagleBone, which is nice if you want 3.3v I/O and don't need to connect to an HDMI screen out of the box.
[23:34] <trevorman> aaa801: no chance of directly connecting that to the RPi
[23:34] <alan_o> s5fs: $90 for the bone
[23:34] <aaa801> ye i know :(, sucks as i actualy have a box of the things here
[23:35] <s5fs> alan_o: yeah, i have a friend who uses bones for her work, they're neat too
[23:35] <s5fs> oddly, i just had a friend sell me a pi, he heard me whining
[23:35] <aaa801> trevorman: http://hackspark.fr/en/serial-1-8-tft-lcd-screen-module-itdb02-1-8sp.html , ive seen this hooked up to the pi
[23:36] <trevorman> aaa801: it uses SPI which will work after level translation if its not already 3.3V
[23:36] <aaa801> the way i saw it hooked up was over gpio
[23:36] <aaa801> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMQJmVDgAl8
[23:37] <trevorman> the RPi has a hardware SPI port on the expansion connector
[23:37] <aaa801> is it standard pinout?
[23:38] <trevorman> standard compared to what?
[23:38] <trevorman> read http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#General_Purpose_Input.2FOutput_.28GPIO.29
[23:39] <aaa801> O, the smaller row of pins?
[23:40] <trevorman> the single row of pins in the middle is for some manufacturing task. they're pretty much useless for end users.
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[23:43] <__7outi__> I'd like to know if my dd command was ok when copying my image to my sd card.
[23:43] <__7outi__> I made dcfldd if=2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/sdb. So now I do dcfldd if=/dev/sdb of=~/image.img ?
[23:43] <[SLB]> dcfldd?
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[23:44] <[SLB]> i know dd, i also used bs=1M
[23:44] <[SLB]> but yes you're reasoning is correct
[23:44] <trevorman> its some modded version of dd by a government department that has the initials dcfl
[23:44] <__7outi__> something like dd, but that show you the progress... I used it because dd was sooo long
[23:44] <[SLB]> ah luls
[23:45] <[SLB]> dd took ages probably because you didn't use block size
[23:45] <aaa801> ye it has auto blocksize etc
[23:45] <[SLB]> ^
[23:45] * aaa801 is guilty of forgetting blocksize
[23:45] <aaa801> ;)
[23:45] <__7outi__> ok so I have a problem when I dd my image then. I tried to use bs=1M, and bs=4M also.
[23:46] <aaa801> are all spi screens 128*160 O_o
[23:46] <__7outi__> What could be the cause of this ?
[23:46] <aaa801> You havnt stated a issue =/
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[23:47] <[SLB]> did you checksum your image?
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[23:47] <[SLB]> if bs failed probably you don't have an integer multiple of number of blocks
[23:47] <__7outi__> My issue is that when I dd my image to my sdcard (whatever the bs is), and then I dd my sdcard to a file, and compare this file to my image (with diff), I see that they are different
[23:48] <__7outi__> Yes I checked it
[23:48] <trevorman> __7outi__: your card and the image are quite likely not exactly the same size
[23:48] <[SLB]> not sure you should get no diff
[23:48] <ReggieUK> is your card the same size as the image?
[23:48] <__7outi__> 2 gb
[23:48] <[SLB]> indeed
[23:48] <ReggieUK> that's not what I asked :)
[23:48] <trevorman> __7outi__: look at the file sizes of the original and the img file you just created -.-
[23:49] <__7outi__> oh ok
[23:49] <aaa801> If you dd the image and read it back wouldnt the disk header be different
[23:49] <aaa801> because of size?
[23:49] <ReggieUK> ^^ trevorman has nailed it
[23:49] <[SLB]> you should do a fdisk -l on the card and use the block counts to dd the image back to file
[23:49] <ReggieUK> orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[23:49] <ReggieUK> nah
[23:49] <ReggieUK> ignore the or
[23:49] <aaa801> trevorman: is there a way to expose the spi port so i can hook things up easily?
[23:49] <trevorman> __7outi__: just trust that it works :P
[23:49] <[diecast]> so just "rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" then?
[23:49] <trevorman> aaa801: its on that page I linked to you
[23:50] <ReggieUK> long time no see aaa801!
[23:50] <aaa801> sup ReggieUK :D
[23:50] <aaa801> trevorman: i ment hardware wise
[23:50] <ReggieUK> how's the android going?
[23:50] <aaa801> Kinda at a standstill with android, "Legal issues"
[23:50] <aaa801> is what eben says atleast
[23:50] <ReggieUK> such as?
[23:51] <ReggieUK> I have no idea what the state of development actually was?
[23:51] <aaa801> havnt heard anything else from him, he just ssays stuck in legal
[23:51] <aaa801> =/
[23:51] <trevorman> aaa801: uh. its on that page I linked to you. it tells you the precise pins you need.
[23:51] <__7outi__> Indeed they don't have the same size
[23:51] <aaa801> trevorman: but there in that wierd cable connector thingy, D:
[23:51] <ReggieUK> surely the only things that matter are the binary blobs?
[23:51] <trevorman> aaa801: the diagram on the right?
[23:52] <aaa801> O SPI IS ON THE MAIN GPIO HEADER
[23:52] * aaa801 whacks head
[23:52] <des2> I think someone said that.
[23:53] <trevorman> the minimum you need is the libraries necessary to drive the RPi GPu
[23:53] <trevorman> we don't have any cameras or DSI panels yet so you wouldn't need that
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[23:55] <aaa801> What kind of frame rate would i get
[23:55] <aaa801> im hoping to make a portable emulator rig
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[23:56] <trevorman> you want a HDMI or composite LCD panel for that. I2C and SPI LCDs aren't really meant for video or high FPS.
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[23:57] <trevorman> you'd also find it easier to get the software to work as you'd need a custom driver for your emulators that outputs to the SPI port and drives your LCD
[23:57] <trevorman> the HDMI + composite ports would just be regular SDL or GLES
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[23:58] <aaa801> Mhm hows that for power nomage?
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[23:59] <aaa801> trevormon: this seems to have a decent framerate composite LCD panel
[23:59] <aaa801> fuuuu
[23:59] <aaa801> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiTfmdaDBYk&feature=player_embedded

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