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IRC Log for 2012-10-12

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[0:00] <des2> as long as it's abovr 4.9 don't worry.
[0:00] <Tachyon`> yeah, ripple won't show up on a meter though
[0:00] <Tachyon`> but I will give it a test
[0:00] <Tachyon`> well, won't show up on this meter, it's a cheap maplins job
[0:00] <des2> yes you are correct about ripple, which you really need a scope to see.
[0:01] <Tachyon`> aye, the PSU did have a CE mark but I'm sure the chinese can print those
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[0:03] <des2> Most CE marks don't even try to look legit.
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[0:03] <des2> http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/images/ce_mark_big.gif
[0:03] <des2> The Cs are too close to the E on the fakes.
[0:04] <des2> C is rather.
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[0:07] <Tachyon`> hrm, seeing 5.04v on the test points
[0:08] <des2> That's good.
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[0:09] <des2> The PI is designed to use only a maximum of 700mA (that's what the polyfuse on the input is designed for).
[0:09] <des2> The polyfuse is designed to trip at about 1.2 amps.
[0:10] <des2> If you have an older version 1 the USB ports have polyfuses also.
[0:10] <Tachyon`> hrm, about half a volt of ripple
[0:10] <Tachyon`> ahh
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[0:10] <Tachyon`> yes, I must remember to link those out
[0:11] <des2> 500mV of ripple ?
[0:11] <des2> that's a lot.
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[0:12] <Tachyon`> well, it's a quite old scope so relies on the eyeball a lot but it looked like about that, aye, won't bother using that one anymroe then
[0:12] <Tachyon`> taht's probably why the phone didn't like it
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[0:16] <David7> Has anyone here used a Netgear WNA1100 with a Pi?
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[0:20] <Tachyon`> this is curious
[0:20] <des2> What OS are you using David7 ?
[0:20] <Tachyon`> the polyfuses on my USB ports appear to be 0 ohm resistors
[0:20] <David7> des2, Raspbian
[0:20] <des2> That was done in later version 1s
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[0:21] <Tachyon`> I'm assuming the world won't end if I link out the one on the bottom so I can draw more current (like a max of 2A)
[0:21] <maicod> here's my problem: http://www.maiconet.nl/pi-problem/
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[0:22] <des2> no. Your pi might end...
[0:22] <Tachyon`> that may be an incompatible SD card
[0:22] <Tachyon`> well, yes, but I think you can go up to 2.5A safely aye? and my PSU is limited to 2...
[0:22] <Cheery> why all linux distributions are full of gunk, if linux has a working udev already?
[0:23] * Tachyon` points Cheery at arch
[0:23] <maicod> tachyon: I had the same problems with a sandisk 16GB class4 card
[0:23] <OpenSys> 32GB class 10
[0:23] <OpenSys> hummmmmm
[0:23] <Tachyon`> I have a sandisk 16GB class 10 here that's been somewhat problematic
[0:23] <OpenSys> big cards
[0:23] <Tachyon`> although it's been fine today so I'm not sure now
[0:23] <Syliss> that sounds expensive
[0:23] <maicod> oh
[0:23] <des2> From what I see David there are debian issues with the WNA1100 but apparently it works on the lates wheezy.
[0:23] <David7> Tachyon`, the wiki says the amperage can be between 700 ma and 1200 ma for the model B
[0:23] <maicod> syliss: it was 25 euros
[0:24] <OpenSys> 8G class 4 or 6
[0:24] <OpenSys> works good
[0:24] <maicod> not bad for 32GB
[0:24] <Tachyon`> this fuse says 1075 so I assume that means it starts to increase resistance at 750mA?
[0:24] <Syliss> not to bad, 33usd
[0:24] <Syliss> idk the brand tho
[0:24] <maicod> syliss: I know :)
[0:25] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=18625
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[0:25] <maicod> tachyon: are you in europe or US ?
[0:25] <Tachyon`> europe, england to be exact
[0:25] <maicod> I'm in Netherlands
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[0:25] <Tachyon`> well, fairly exact
[0:25] <maicod> ah closeby :)
[0:25] <Tachyon`> ahh
[0:25] <des2> Well 750 is the 'hold current' for the polyfuse.
[0:25] <Syliss> i really want this https://www.adafruit.com/products/966
[0:25] <des2> Which is the current it's designed to operate at .
[0:26] <Cheery> Tachyon`: why should I look at Arch?
[0:26] <maicod> Tachyon: I think its hard to find the exact cards that are listed in the verified cards list on elinux
[0:26] <Tachyon`> oh, you seeemed to be unhappy about bloat in the prepackaged linuxes
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[0:26] <David7> Thanks, des2
[0:26] <maicod> Tachyon`: often the label doesnt mean the insides of the card is the same
[0:26] <Syliss> i prefer the images then i don't have to build them
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[0:27] <Tachyon`> yeah, I'm happy with raspbian myself
[0:27] <Tachyon`> but for those who aren't, arch seems ideal
[0:28] <Cheery> Tachyon`: well I wonder.. if linux has a working device system that understands dynamic nature of the devices and is able to detect their plugging/unplugging.. why still have /dev there?
[0:28] <maicod> Tachyon`: the 1.2A psu that RS linked to when I got the Rpi looks fine ?
[0:28] <Cheery> it confuses heck out of you
[0:29] <maicod> I don't draw power from the main usb ports except for the powered hub
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[0:30] <David7> Cheery, you need /dev so you can open the device as a file: e.g. dd if=/dev/random of=random.dat bs=1K count=1
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[0:32] <Cheery> David7: it makes point for some devices. But most devices have some unique identifier. why don't have just those?
[0:33] <vlt> Cheery: Can you give an example?
[0:33] <Cheery> mice
[0:33] <Cheery> keyboards
[0:33] <Cheery> then there's still some device handles that aren't really attached to anything
[0:33] <vlt> Cheery: I mean an example for a non-/dev cmd line then.
[0:34] <maicod> btw my Extremememory card is listed on the pherified pheripherals list :)
[0:34] <maicod> I forgot it was on it :)
[0:35] <Datalink> ....
[0:35] * Datalink headdesks
[0:35] <Datalink> blacklisted the SPI and I2C drivers... rebooted, then did gpio load spi, followed by spidev_test
[0:35] <Datalink> guess what worked!
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[0:35] <David7> Cheery, in cases like these, the kernel devs end the debate by asking for a patch
[0:36] <Cheery> vlt: well it's okay to have /dev, but why /dev/hda etc. why not just /dev/disk_UID
[0:36] <Cheery> ?
[0:36] <David7> Cheery, /dev/hda was the name originally used when ATA was the primary method of attachment
[0:37] <vlt> Cheery: For convenience?
[0:37] <David7> Cheery, then the SCSI unification came along and everything got moved into /dev/sd
[0:37] <vlt> Cheery: Isn???t /dev/hda just a symlink to the actual /dev/disk/id... ?
[0:37] <maicod> syliss u there ?
[0:37] <Syliss> yeah
[0:37] <David7> Cheery, then someone clever realized the need to unique identification, and /dev/disk-by-uuid/ was invented
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[0:38] <maicod> syliss: the extrememory card I got is verified
[0:38] <Syliss> hmm
[0:38] <Cheery> David7: I see
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[0:38] <maicod> yeah I forgot about it :)
[0:38] <maicod> Its on the elinux site
[0:38] <David7> Cheery, so you are seeing the evolution of the mechanism and the old style entries are left for backwards compatibility
[0:38] * Datalink dances the dance of the engineer who finally got a headpoundingly annoying bug fixed...
[0:38] <Simanova> is it possible to use the raspberry pi status led (D7,D8,D9) for other purposes?
[0:38] * maicod thinks he's gonna email Rs Comp.
[0:39] <Cheery> David7: you think I could remove everything that was left for backwards compatibility, and see just the new modern stuff that backbones linux today?
[0:39] <Datalink> Simanova, they're just GPIOs though you'll have to change their assignments somewhere, I don't remember where
[0:39] <David7> But that brings me to a question I have about the Raspian kernel: Why can't I pass root=UUID to the kernel and get it to work?
[0:39] <David7> Cheery, You could try, but the patch would be rejected
[0:39] <Syliss> maicod: have you tried other pus's?
[0:39] <Syliss> psu*
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[0:39] <Datalink> Cheery, that would break so much stuff
[0:40] <Datalink> soooo much stuff ._.
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[0:40] <vlt> David7: Usually it???s ???root=UUID=<UUID>???.
[0:40] <David7> vlt, Yeah, it doesn't work. The boot hangs.
[0:41] <vlt> David7: Ah, ok.
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[0:41] <Cheery> Datalink: I want to see that
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[0:41] <David7> Cheery, but UUID couldn't have been invented back in the days when all computers had hard drives but not necessarily enough ID information for a UUID
[0:42] <maicod> syliss: yeah but those were too weak
[0:42] <Syliss> too weak? what where they rated?
[0:42] <maicod> the Pi was running erraticly
[0:42] <maicod> <1A
[0:42] <David7> An elf is telling me it is dinner time. Adios
[0:42] <maicod> elf is mum ? :)
[0:43] <David7> So, before I go, what USB wireless adapters are most people in here using?
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[0:43] <evilbetty> oh boy analog audio on rpi is bad :p
[0:43] <maicod> syliss: one was a cheap wall socket and it said it was 500mA and one was 1A but didnt work right either
[0:43] <Cheery> David7: sure it couldn't have been. But there we have it now.
[0:43] <Syliss> hmm
[0:44] <maicod> evilbetty: not on the raspbian 2012-09-18
[0:44] <evilbetty> hehe
[0:44] <evilbetty> it is to my ear ;)
[0:44] <Datalink> Cheery, okay... breaking stuff is generally not what kernel patching is about, and honestly such a patch intended to break old dependancies will loose the corporate level support you'd need to have a patch go into the kernel
[0:44] <maicod> it was bad before
[0:44] <maicod> evilbetty: your speakers :)
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[0:44] <evilbetty> lol
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[0:44] <Datalink> there's stuff in HP's section of Linux requirements that probably come from elements older than I am
[0:44] <evilbetty> i hear highpitched tones changing in a pattern to the music
[0:45] <Cheery> Datalink: I don't need to get it straight away through. I can fork linux and use the patch in there
[0:45] <vlt> maicod: Analogue audio has improved? Cool! What is different now?
[0:45] <Cheery> Datalink: and I can make it an option
[0:45] <maicod> vlt: on earlier versions every now and then there was an audible ticking now I hear that only when a music starts and ends but the main audio quality sounds fine
[0:46] <Cheery> maicod: oh that was fixed?
[0:46] <maicod> yea
[0:46] <evilbetty> its nice for espeak but i'm not gonna listen to my music collection on it
[0:46] <Datalink> have fun storming the castle then
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[0:46] <Cheery> Datalink: I'm also going to ditch Xorg
[0:46] <scale> hi
[0:47] <Cheery> once I get to it
[0:47] <maicod> Cheery: you can hear that there's no disruptions during the sound playing when you play my video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8wkFXN-uc4
[0:47] <scale> can a Pi make a fire when it run 24/7 ?
[0:47] <maicod> skip to the demo part if u like
[0:47] <vlt> Is it possible to keep the DAC always running to avoid the ticking noise?
[0:47] <vlt> maicod: ^
[0:47] <vlt> Maybe with something liek jackd?
[0:47] <evilbetty> that was proposed
[0:47] <maicod> vlt: I wouldnt know sorry
[0:47] <evilbetty> anyway its not the ticking etc
[0:47] <maicod> the start tick and end tick is still there
[0:48] <evilbetty> but i seem to have highpitched harmonics and a hiss
[0:48] <maicod> evilbetty: you use the 2012-09-18 ?
[0:48] <evilbetty> yes
[0:48] <maicod> oh
[0:48] <maicod> well its acceptable to me now
[0:48] <evilbetty> with the alsa updates of 21 sept too
[0:48] <Cheery> Datalink: and if I've read the stars right, there'll be strong support for what I'll attempt
[0:48] <Datalink> scale, if you don't overclock, it should be fine so long as it's in a typical room temperature, I use mine as a print server among other things, and it doesn't go above 50C under load (kernel compile stayed at 48C at chip) though airflow would be good, so avoid piling stuff on top of it
[0:48] <evilbetty> on speakers its ok
[0:48] <evilbetty> on good headphones its scare ;)
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[0:48] <evilbetty> scary
[0:48] <maicod> evil: you mean the rpi-update stuff?
[0:48] <evilbetty> yes
[0:48] <maicod> oh i've not used headphones
[0:48] <evilbetty> the one thzat made the 7 or 8 alsa channels
[0:49] <evilbetty> im gonna get if a tube amp can gentle out the sounds
[0:49] <evilbetty> but i erm... dont have a tube amp :p
[0:49] <Cheery> Datalink: thing is linux the desktop is starting to advance.
[0:49] <vlt> Is it possible to run an external USB audio device on the rpi?
[0:49] <des2> sure
[0:49] <evilbetty> i dont know if cpu is gonna handle that very well?
[0:50] <vlt> Do I need a special USB Y-cable to power the device?
[0:50] <des2> All it has to do is pass the PWM to USB
[0:50] <maicod> vlt: yeah but don;t know if those usb audio cards are any good
[0:50] <Cheery> Datalink: and I want a desktop experience that'd be exemplary
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[0:50] <vlt> maicod: Whut?
[0:50] <maicod> vlt: there's a few listed on elinux verified list I believe
[0:51] <maicod> vlt: your question above
[0:51] <vlt> maicod: I have an NI KA 6.
[0:51] <evilbetty> http://diyaudioprojects.com/Solid/12AU7-IRF510-LM317-Headamp/ wanna make this one, i already got the tubes and the mosfets
[0:51] <maicod> don't know it :)
[0:51] <vlt> maicod: It *is* good ;-)
[0:51] <scale> Datalink, no overclock, room temp is maybe 25C (my parents need it), in GUI i saw CPU Temp like 50-54C
[0:51] <evilbetty> maybe use around 30v instead of 12 to have a bit more headroom in the tubes
[0:51] <maicod> ah then it will probably work
[0:51] <maicod> try it ?
[0:51] <maicod> it won't hurt LOL
[0:52] <evilbetty> today i noticed my rpi locking up forst time with overclocked speeds at even 900Mhz
[0:52] <vlt> maicod: I have to find out first which cable to use.
[0:52] <evilbetty> durig the read thing of an apt-get
[0:52] <Datalink> scale, shouldn't catch fire, but I would suggest keeping it in a spot with airflow if it's running in a warmer room like that for long term circuit health
[0:52] <vlt> maicod: The power coming out of the rpi???s USB seems to be too low for the NI device.
[0:53] <maicod> yeah you need a USB hub
[0:53] <maicod> I got one
[0:53] <maicod> a powered one you need
[0:53] <Syliss> i use a lap dock with my pi
[0:53] <des2> How much current does the In need ?
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[0:53] <evilbetty> i noticed my wireless gamepad only worked during shutdown cycle lol
[0:53] <vlt> maicod: Aah, ok ??? just a hub. Thanks
[0:53] <maicod> vlt: I got this one Ultron UHN-710 powered hub
[0:53] <evilbetty> i thought i had to blame kernel first
[0:53] <evilbetty> but then it seemed a power issue
[0:53] <Datalink> the Pi's USB is, at best, underpowered, 200mA is max load I'd put on it, I try to stick to self-powered devices if I can
[0:54] <maicod> vlt: yeah but it needs to have its own power supply
[0:54] <vlt> maicod: Yeah sure.
[0:54] <evilbetty> optical mouse + wless keyb + wless gamepad (needs more power because it also txes the forcefeedback) was too much unpowered
[0:54] <Datalink> also there's no spike protection, hotplugging high draw devices will cause the Pi to power cycle
[0:54] <maicod> vlt: for a lot of things u need a powered HUB on the Pi. also for wi-fi
[0:54] <evilbetty> when i plugged the hub in a powersupply it was suddenly fixed hehe
[0:54] <Datalink> evilbetty, you should consider a powered HUB if you're running a force feedback device
[0:55] <Datalink> motors=high current draw
[0:55] <evilbetty> the force feedback is on batteries, its the transmitter to the gamepad
[0:55] <evilbetty> its dual direction because of the ffeedback
[0:55] <evilbetty> but the hub is powered
[0:55] <evilbetty> it just works unpowered too and i kinda forgot to plug it in
[0:55] <scale> Datalink, for example? like plugging a cooler fan on pi? if thats possible
[0:56] <evilbetty> the locking up at 900Mhz of earlier worries me more tbh :p
[0:56] <Datalink> scale, I would run the cooler fan off a seperate supply, not the Pi
[0:56] <evilbetty> if u use the 5v pins instead of usb connectors it should work
[0:56] <evilbetty> accordig to the info 5v is powered directly by psu
[0:56] <Datalink> evilbetty, 5v pin is actually after the fuse
[0:57] <evilbetty> yes
[0:57] <evilbetty> but what is the fuse?
[0:57] <Datalink> a 700mA polyfuse which blows if there's an overcurrent and resets the device
[0:57] <evilbetty> k
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[0:58] <Datalink> in the rev 2 board they increased it, in the rev 1, I have to remember to shut down my pi to plug in some devices on the GPIO header or USB
[0:58] <des2> Why would you mix a tube and a mosfet ? That's Blasphamy.
[0:58] <evilbetty> i noticed my samsung lol
[0:58] <evilbetty> oops
[0:58] <evilbetty> just lol
[0:58] <evilbetty> because output transformers are a pain these days
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[0:59] <evilbetty> i'd run it from about 30v tho maybe a bit more
[0:59] <evilbetty> and perhaps use an opamp as end stage lol
[1:00] <evilbetty> but thats even worse
[1:00] <evilbetty> at least mosfets sound a bit tubish
[1:00] <scale> ok ty all
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[1:00] <evilbetty> i didnt make it yet, but i think it doesnt sound too bad at all
[1:00] <evilbetty> preamped by a tube and class a mosfet end stage
[1:00] <des2> The reason tubes and most bipolar transistor amps sound different is the harmonic distortions.
[1:01] <evilbetty> i know
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[1:01] <des2> The distorsions produced by tubes sound better.
[1:01] <des2> But you can get the same with MOSFETs.
[1:01] <des2> Although they don't have a nice orange glow.
[1:01] <des2> And have to be replaced every 6 months.
[1:02] <evilbetty> i have a bunch of orange leds :p
[1:02] <evilbetty> mosfets need to be replaced?
[1:02] <des2> no tubes.
[1:02] <evilbetty> ;)
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[1:03] <des2> also things sound better if you waste power and run class A or another low distortion class.
[1:03] <evilbetty> i know
[1:04] <evilbetty> but for headphone amps its not that big of a waste anyway
[1:04] <evilbetty> may be worth it
[1:04] <des2> It's good to build at least one tube thing in your life.
[1:04] <des2> Just don't go all audiophile crazy on us.l
[1:05] <des2> And start cryogenically treating your speaker cable or something
[1:05] <evilbetty> http://11meter.net/antenna/test02.jpg does that look audiophile? ;)
[1:05] <des2> lol
[1:06] <aaearon> solid mouse
[1:06] <Datalink> hm, is there a way to fire up alsa without xorg?
[1:06] <des2> that's great.
[1:06] <evilbetty> http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm
[1:06] <Datalink> nm
[1:06] <evilbetty> yes nice and heavy
[1:06] <evilbetty> it slides nicely because of its weight you can use that in ur advantage
[1:06] <evilbetty> erm
[1:06] <evilbetty> aplay or mpg123
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[1:07] <evilbetty> they use alsa to play musics without xorg running
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[1:08] <Cheery> at last that isn't bound to xorg
[1:08] <Cheery> least*
[1:08] <evilbetty> denon $499 UTP ethernet cable :o
[1:09] <evilbetty> for much better digital audio
[1:09] <evilbetty> maybe that'll make the hiss on my rpi go away ;)
[1:09] <evilbetty> and a golden $800 eur powercable obviously
[1:09] <markbook> WTF?
[1:09] <evilbetty> http://www.wiretotheear.com/2008/06/20/denons-499-cable-vs-brilliant-pebbles/
[1:10] <evilbetty> anyway everyone their hobby
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[1:10] <hadifarnoud> how can I backup my SD image to a .img file?
[1:10] <markbook> but but
[1:10] <markbook> it's DIGITAL cable?
[1:11] <Essobi> 3
[1:11] <des2> This reminds me of the recent test at audioholics.com which pit a $60 Monster 1000 Cable vs a coat hanger. Guess which won?""
[1:11] <markbook> People are Stupid (tm)
[1:11] <markbook> and some people are BALLSY
[1:11] <markbook> "I'll sell the wicked expensive digital cable and tell people it will make their sound better"/
[1:12] <markbook> takes some cajones
[1:12] <evilbetty> ah well
[1:12] <evilbetty> its smart of the ppl who come up with it
[1:12] <evilbetty> but you have to be a good talker
[1:12] <markbook> does "cajones" meet the "kid friendly" charter?
[1:12] <evilbetty> i'd never get away with it im not good at sellign or selling talks
[1:12] <Cheery> legitimate scam companies are interesting idea
[1:13] <evilbetty> did u see the pebbled too?
[1:13] <evilbetty> thats even better
[1:14] <des2> There are legal scams and illegal ones. Learn to tell the difference...
[1:14] <evilbetty> go to aquariumshop and buy a bag of those colored halftransparant pebbles and sell them for alot per small bag
[1:14] <evilbetty> and round patches that u buy at ikea per 20, to put under chair legs
[1:15] <evilbetty> they're also sold per 2 for $xx with another logo and an explanation that one per wall takes all the sound reflections away
[1:15] <evilbetty> and again ppl buy it :p
[1:15] <evilbetty> even review it
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[1:16] <Cheery> even easier
[1:16] <Cheery> say you have an excess of some magnetic identification cards nobody wants
[1:16] <evilbetty> and then?
[1:17] <Cheery> paint and carve shapes into them to make them look interesting, then sell them as magnetic insect repellant field.
[1:17] <evilbetty> lol
[1:17] <evilbetty> i've seen stickers that one per window in the corner block all nasty gsm etc radiation
[1:17] <evilbetty> funnily enough ppl can still call inside:p
[1:18] <hadifarnoud> in dd, is bs=1m or bs=1M?
[1:18] <evilbetty> but the best is a device to enhance normal cd's to supersoundquality like sacd or what is it
[1:18] <Cheery> window can do that, but not necessarily walls
[1:18] <evilbetty> a wooden box, 9v battery resistor and led
[1:18] <evilbetty> 1M or 4M
[1:18] <evilbetty> whatever u like thats not too small and not too big ;)
[1:19] <evilbetty> ppl pay money for shining a led on a cd, and thir brain makes the hear difference lol
[1:19] <evilbetty> ok it does come with a car dthat changes color after being lighted
[1:19] <hadifarnoud> anyone?
[1:19] <evilbetty> so that they can claim "substance from the card went onto the cd to improve it"
[1:19] <des2> You need a special greem magic marker for your CDs
[1:19] <evilbetty> i just answered
[1:20] <evilbetty> 1M or 4M
[1:20] <evilbetty> 512K would work too, less or more also :p
[1:21] <Cheery> evilbetty: anyway the line between perfect business and a scam is thin.
[1:21] <evilbetty> indeed
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[1:22] <evilbetty> i have cute pink leds somewhere
[1:22] <evilbetty> maybe i have to think of a scam with those p
[1:22] <evilbetty> :p
[1:22] <evilbetty> not red not purple but really flashy pink
[1:23] <des2> Just build tube amps.
[1:23] <evilbetty> :p
[1:23] <des2> Be sure to sell replacement tubes every 6 months.
[1:23] <evilbetty> with those chinese tubes i have of 5 euro per piece :p
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[1:24] <evilbetty> i need to rebrand them to something rare that goes for 100eur pp :p
[1:24] <evilbetty> but that would be a real scam hehe
[1:24] <des2> get alcohol and remove the logo and paint your own on.
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[1:24] <David7> hadifarnoud, You would use something like # sudo dd if=/dev/sd<device letter> of=backup-file.img bs=1M
[1:24] <hadifarnoud> cheers David7
[1:24] <David7> vlt, I'm planning on getting a couple of these to give me mic inputs for my Pis: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036VO4XO/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
[1:25] <David7> hadifarnoud, Make sure you have the right /dev/sd<device letter> so you don't try to backup your hard drive to your hard drive? ;)
[1:25] <evilbetty> too bad the chip doesnt have ADC
[1:25] <evilbetty> or not that i read anywhere anyway
[1:25] <hadifarnoud> David7: df -h, I know ;)
[1:26] <evilbetty> lol
[1:26] <hadifarnoud> I saw a tut that says I have to replace disk1 with rdisk1 for writing and image to SD on Mac. can anyone tell me why is that?
[1:27] <evilbetty> probably because mac names its devices differently than linux
[1:27] <des2> because raw devices are faster
[1:27] <evilbetty> ah :o
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[1:27] <David7> hadifarnoud, # sudo fdisk -l
[1:28] <hadifarnoud> des2 so I should do that for backing up the SD image too?
[1:28] <David7> hadifarnoud, and then # mount
[1:28] <David7> hadifarnoud, Your hard drive will be mounted as /
[1:28] <evilbetty> shouldnt u unmount the device before dding to it
[1:28] <David7> hadifarnoud, The SD card will have a side the same as the label
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[1:29] <hadifarnoud> David7: yeah I'm sure about disk1. I was wondering if i should use rdisk or disk
[1:29] <David7> evilbetty, Uh, he should be dding from it, and it will still work while mounted as long as he doesn't change anything
[1:29] <SIFTU> rdisk sounds like raw disk which would be right.. not sure as I dont have a mac
[1:30] <evilbetty> i know but its not done ;)
[1:30] <hadifarnoud> David7: sudo dd if=/dev/disk1 of=raspian.img does not work
[1:30] <hadifarnoud> should it be of first?
[1:30] <David7> Wait, what? hadifarnoud, are you doing this on a Mac?
[1:31] <hadifarnoud> yes David7
[1:31] <des2> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SCSI-2.4-HOWTO/rawdev.html
[1:31] <rikkib> order of dd switches does not matter
[1:31] <evilbetty> its time for me to go to bed
[1:31] <hadifarnoud> why doesn't it work then. says dd: /dev/disk1: No such file or directory
[1:32] <Datalink> hadifarnoud, does /dev/disk1 exist?
[1:32] <rikkib> ls /dev/
[1:32] <rikkib> unplug sd
[1:32] <rikkib> ls /dev/
[1:32] <rikkib> plug in sd
[1:32] <David7> hadifarnoud, A Google search says you want # diskutil list
[1:32] <rikkib> ls /dev/
[1:32] <Datalink> the documentation is using /dev/disk1 as a placeholder
[1:32] <hadifarnoud> rikkib: replug worked
[1:33] <evilbetty> random dding rules :p
[1:33] <hadifarnoud> thanks David7. backing up now. replug helped
[1:33] <David7> hadifarnoud, Roger that
[1:34] <hadifarnoud> thanks des2. nice tutorial on raw devices
[1:34] <rikkib> sudo dd bs=1M (4M if you wish) if=filename of=/dev/sdx (x= your dev)
[1:34] <evilbetty> surely shirly
[1:34] <des2> Kids these days have it so easy. They don't have to learn by accidentally dd'ing to the wrong place in a college compujter center wiping out several people's work...
[1:35] <evilbetty> lol
[1:35] <evilbetty> we have virtualbox these days ;)
[1:35] <David7> hadifarnoud, The version of dd on my Mac doesn't accept bs=1M but you can use bs=$(( 1024 * 1024 ))
[1:35] <des2> (don't ask me how I know that)
[1:35] <Cheery> is there some list about protocols in Udev?
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[1:35] <des2> bs=1024k should work
[1:35] <Cheery> after all they need to be .xml specified
[1:35] <hadifarnoud> des2: I can imagine
[1:35] <evilbetty> ah well i guess most ppl that know their way in nix oses have made these booboos
[1:36] <hadifarnoud> I was wondering why dd was so slow. 1m doesn't work then
[1:36] <David7> des2, I didn't see anything in the man page about human readable stuff, and the multiplication thing is portable
[1:36] <rikkib> sync
[1:36] <evilbetty> doesn't it? dd doesnt give output, so maybe it was just working?
[1:36] <rikkib> umount /dev/sdx
[1:37] <David7> evilbetty, I think dd uses a default block size of 512 bytes for historical reasons
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[1:37] <evilbetty> not too much
[1:38] <des2> Yes historical reasons.
[1:38] <rikkib> dd takes time with 1M. Faster with 4M
[1:38] <evilbetty> reminds me of a mate of mine
[1:38] <des2> As in until just recently disk blocks were really 512
[1:38] <evilbetty> he was gonna compile fsck with ext3 support on his max
[1:38] <evilbetty> mac
[1:38] <evilbetty> and he refused to solve it differently
[1:38] <evilbetty> with all the time segmentation faults, until he just got smart and launched a livecd :p
[1:39] <rikkib> But sync may take longer with 4M write buffer
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[1:39] <evilbetty> problem with sdcards vs usbsticks is theres no blinking light to warn its still writing even tho dd is finished
[1:40] <Cheery> evilbetty: I've been wondering that too
[1:40] <evilbetty> so pull it out too fast and its ruined
[1:40] <evilbetty> i guess typing sync may tell its still busy?
[1:40] <evilbetty> not sure tho
[1:40] <David7> hadifarnoud, The man page says you can send SIGINFO to the dd process and get an update. Obviously, you can also use ls to see the file get larger
[1:40] <Cheery> why doesn't memory cards or sticks have write indicator?
[1:40] <evilbetty> hehe we had that discussion ezrlier
[1:41] <evilbetty> USR1 was the signal i think
[1:41] <hadifarnoud> ls seems easier David7
[1:41] <rikkib> sync writes all unwritten buffers to disk (sd)
[1:41] <evilbetty> kill -USR1 ddpid
[1:41] <evilbetty> on linux anyway
[1:42] <rikkib> Control C stops dd
[1:42] <David7> hadifarnoud, Yeah, but the SIGINFO thing is cool
[1:42] <hadifarnoud> i give it a google David7
[1:42] <evilbetty> hmm
[1:42] <evilbetty> lsing to see how far dd is sounds to me like things are mounted when they shouldnt :p
[1:43] <bircoe> as an alternative to dd there's also dcfldd
[1:43] <David7> evilbetty, You do # ls -hl backup.img to see the size of the backup file
[1:43] <bircoe> it gives live status feedback
[1:43] <evilbetty> ooh right
[1:43] <evilbetty> i thought copying to sdcard
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[1:44] <grabphil> hello
[1:44] <Datalink> I should probably start backing up my pi
[1:44] <evilbetty> meh
[1:44] <evilbetty> i dont do backups of rpi
[1:44] <bircoe> usage is identical to dd but it has extra switches and options
[1:44] <bircoe> very nice application
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[1:44] <evilbetty> yes but the name is too long to remember
[1:44] <evilbetty> so i'd type in dd anyway :p
[1:44] <David7> Datalink, If you backup your card, mount it and create a tarball so you don't waste a bunch of space and time copying empty sectors
[1:44] <evilbetty> why not name it superdd :p
[1:45] <evilbetty> but i was going to sleep long time ago
[1:45] <Datalink> David7, I'd just rsync to the linux laptop
[1:46] <Datalink> since that's what I'd use to make the replacement image anyway
[1:46] <grabphil> if this a programming and kid stuff computor whats a good text editor with some fonts and printer dll's
[1:46] <evilbetty> today i saw nice ways to use netcat to make image onto another machine via network
[1:46] <David7> Datalink, the tarball will use less space
[1:46] <Datalink> David7, true
[1:47] <evilbetty> wordpad
[1:47] <grabphil> thats it,,
[1:48] <grabphil> whats a suggestion for web prog editor, or is too weak a language, mid level stuff does look like kids stuff
[1:48] <evilbetty> bah tomorrow i need to find out how to use lirc, and if i have proper keymapping
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[1:49] <grabphil> *mistyped doesn't
[1:49] <evilbetty> i dont get the question
[1:49] <evilbetty> u want a text editor for programming use?
[1:49] <evilbetty> on linux right?
[1:49] <grabphil> yes
[1:49] <grabphil> and no
[1:50] <evilbetty> on windows i'd use notepad++
[1:50] <Datalink> text editor for doing reports, sounds like
[1:50] <grabphil> i want both somthing that prints out, and something do serious editing
[1:50] <Datalink> what's a lighter program than OpenOffice?
[1:50] <oldtopman> geany/kwrite are pretty good.
[1:50] <evilbetty> geany indeed for linux
[1:50] <oldtopman> For things like word, try Kword, Abiword
[1:50] <evilbetty> but since u answered no on linux on windows id use notepad++
[1:50] <Cheery> I like vim
[1:51] <grabphil> its not like gimp photo is it thats buggy
[1:51] <evilbetty> :o
[1:51] <evilbetty> no geany is just a text editor with syntax highlighting and can compile from within the editor itself
[1:51] <evilbetty> it dosnt make photos of bugs
[1:52] <evilbetty> im not sure who's most confused hatm
[1:52] <evilbetty> atm
[1:52] <David7> hadifarnoud, Datalink, I use this script to back up my SD card: http://kerneldriver.org/raspberrypi/scripts/backrootfs
[1:52] <evilbetty> but im gonna stop being confused i can go sleep
[1:52] <grabphil> i m gonna have a look for them, another question though, can you copy and paste into python idle
[1:53] <hadifarnoud> David7: oh cool
[1:53] <evilbetty> i dont know never used it
[1:53] <grabphil> weeezy has it on
[1:53] <evilbetty> yes but i use rpi over ssh
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[1:54] <evilbetty> which makes me notice that when it has only 2 cables it would have been nice if both came out on same side ;)
[1:54] <grabphil> mmm. thats what i read from a mag last month if im right
[1:54] <evilbetty> but i know routing pcbs is a pain
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[1:54] <grabphil> zzz
[1:55] <evilbetty> good night
[1:55] <des2> Yeah cables out all different sides is a common PI complaint.
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[1:57] <Cheery> makes horrendous case requirements
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[2:01] <fernandocunhajr> Does en1 here get openMSX to work ON wheezy?
[2:02] <Cheery> I tried
[2:02] <Cheery> it did not work
[2:04] <fernandocunhajr> Yes..... It has some problems with the alsa drivers :(
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[2:05] <Cheery> I had more luck with PSX, but MGS sounds stood low-pitch
[2:07] <fernandocunhajr> I installed retropie with emulationstation. Nes, tg16, snes, master are working fine. Mega drive is veeeeery slow even with overclock
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[2:10] <fernandocunhajr> But I really wanted to use openmsx :(
[2:11] <Cheery> why?
[2:11] <Cheery> also where's the C64 emulator?
[2:12] <fernandocunhajr> I'm a MSX huge fan! I have 7 real MSX at Home. My idea is to put a rpi inside an old one that is not working and use as a real msx.
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[2:14] <Cheery> I think I'll make an emulator frontend at some point
[2:15] <fernandocunhajr> Cheery, the c64 emulator is called VICE
[2:15] <fernandocunhajr> http://retrotext.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/VIC%20314
[2:16] <fernandocunhajr> Did u ever see emulationstation? It's a great emulator frontend for retropie.
[2:16] <Cheery> nop
[2:17] <Syliss> boom
[2:18] <Cheery> Looks good, the UI could be still better though.
[2:18] <fernandocunhajr> Google it, it's very good. U can control using a joystick
[2:18] <fernandocunhajr> Agree with u!
[2:19] <fernandocunhajr> It's ver simple. Functional.
[2:19] <Cheery> yeah, but all that metadata
[2:19] <Cheery> who creates it?
[2:19] <Cheery> also
[2:19] <Cheery> where's the recently played list? :)
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[2:26] <fernandocunhajr> The metadata is created automatically upon the installation, BUT if you dont want to use the default directories, u will need to change it manually
[2:26] <fernandocunhajr> Yes, recent list is not present :(
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[2:32] <Cheery> I think I have an idea about it.
[2:32] <fernandocunhajr> All ideas are Welcome :)
[2:32] <Cheery> to get that all metadata, you simply have to construct a web site that connects to the frontend
[2:32] <Cheery> and lets players type a summary
[2:32] <Cheery> wiki
[2:33] <fernandocunhajr> Hmmmm good idea, not too hard to be done!
[2:34] <Cheery> then I also think the author could put a character bar to the top, which indicates that by moving left and right goes letter-wide jumps
[2:34] <Cheery> or perhaps a prefix handler.
[2:35] <Cheery> I believe people will want both keyboards and joystick interfaces
[2:35] <fernandocunhajr> Emulationstation uses right and left to change systems
[2:35] <Cheery> there's better buttons for that
[2:36] <Cheery> in most joypads at least
[2:36] <fernandocunhajr> It's working with keyboard and joysticks
[2:37] <Cheery> he could use tab or L1/R1 to switch system
[2:37] <Cheery> or alternatively, he could stop differentiating between them
[2:37] <Cheery> just give search interface that shows the system and game name
[2:38] <Cheery> also, if there are going to be pictures of each game.. I think they should be something meaningful and visible in some gallery-view.
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[2:40] <Cheery> anyway. those ideas. :)
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[2:40] <Cheery> good enough search & filtering.
[2:40] <Cheery> and people will love it
[2:40] <Cheery> But before I'll get to this, I'll have some things to do.
[2:41] <Cheery> The first thing is getting idea of linux input system
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[2:41] <Cheery> and understanding best way to get input such that you can make the gaming pleasant.
[2:42] <Cheery> fernandocunhajr: I'm thinking about a schema that is very similar to "press start" in old games
[2:42] <Cheery> The game/frontend asks to press controller button.
[2:43] <Cheery> there's an input device pool which gives it to them, once player has pressed a button
[2:43] <fernandocunhajr> Lotta good ideas man :)
[2:44] <Cheery> the game itself then sees whether it can recognise the controller, and picks a configuration or asks one.. with the relevant map to controller.
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[2:49] <Cheery> getting to sleep
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[3:08] <Gorroth> hey
[3:08] <Gorroth> is it possible to ssh over usb to the rpi with a fresh raspbian install?
[3:08] <Gorroth> i'm trying to avoid hooking this thing up to a tv or whatever to finalize setup
[3:08] <bircoe> how do you mean via USB?
[3:08] <leftyfb> anyone here use rpi-update? I'm debating it since I'm under the impression that it'll break updating the firmware through the regular debian repositories
[3:09] <bircoe> if you mean with a USB ethernet adapter then yes
[3:09] <Gorroth> bircoe: well, from linux, i'm wondering if there is some sort of dirver that can let me use usb to ssh into the rpi and if the rpi is setup for that
[3:09] <leftyfb> Gorroth: ssh doesn't work like that
[3:09] <leftyfb> you use ssh over the network
[3:10] <leftyfb> as in, over the ethernet or a usb wifi adapter
[3:10] <Gorroth> it does if a driver supportts it
[3:10] <bircoe> I know some Android devices offer USB ethernet via their USB port but the Pi doesn't... so no
[3:10] <Gorroth> ok
[3:10] <leftyfb> you cannot plug in the usb from the rpi to the usb on your computer and ssh to it
[3:11] <Datalink> Gorroth, if you don't finalize the initial setup script, it'll re-run, if you have things you want to do with the system before running that script (say giving this to someone else)
[3:11] <Gorroth> i guess i'll have to do it ghetto style and find out the system's mac address with a script i'll put on the SD
[3:11] <leftyfb> you can use the TTL ports on the RPI to plug in a TTL -> usb adapter and serial console to it
[3:11] <Datalink> Gorroth, it has DHCP, your home router should have a page listing connected devices
[3:12] <Gorroth> Datalink: i think i'll just see MAC addresses; i'll have no idea which one the rpi is
[3:12] <Gorroth> so i'm gonna use a script to write to the SD card what it is
[3:12] <Datalink> Gorroth, that's odd... mine shows IP and MAC, what brand router?
[3:12] <Gorroth> yes, IP and MAC... but that won't tell me which device is the rpi
[3:12] <leftyfb> by the time you write the script, you could have tried to ssh to each of the mac address's in your router's list
[3:12] <bircoe> unpug it and wait for it to dissapear off the list
[3:12] <Datalink> Gorroth, check the page, plug in the Pi, check again... the new device will be the Pi
[3:13] <Gorroth> i've just got lots of devices on the network is all
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[3:13] <Gorroth> man, that's not very computer sciencey of you
[3:13] <Datalink> Gorroth, I'm an EE
[3:13] <bircoe> not everyth8ing needs a complex approach!
[3:14] * SpeedEvil wonders how many pis have the address 10.0.3.14
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[3:14] <Datalink> SpeedEvil, damnit, now I have to go change my Pi's IP
[3:14] <Datalink> cause that's too good not to use!
[3:14] <Gorroth> i think this approach is simpler, especially since i have an airport extreme and would have to find a way to gets a utility running on linux to use it
[3:14] <Gorroth> i'm way lazy for that right now
[3:14] <leftyfb> for i in `seq 2 253`;do nmap -p22 192.168.1.$i;done
[3:15] <bircoe> what about 3.141.59.26???
[3:15] <Gorroth> man, that's not even appropriately bashified! :p
[3:15] <leftyfb> bashified?
[3:15] <SpeedEvil> bircoe: well, yes, but that's a routabke IP
[3:15] <Gorroth> for ((i=2; i<=254; i=i+1)) ; do nmap -p 22 192.168.1.$i ; done
[3:15] <leftyfb> :/
[3:16] <leftyfb> what's the advantage of that over the one I posted?
[3:16] <Gorroth> but the thing is, i think i read that raspbian doesn't have ssh running by default; am i wrong?
[3:16] <Gorroth> leftyfb: it doesn't use a subprocess
[3:16] <Gorroth> for the sequence
[3:16] <Datalink> bircoe, that puts it into the public IP space, I think Google owns that one... could be wrong
[3:16] <leftyfb> right, cuz a 1 253 seq takes up so much cpu power
[3:17] <bircoe> if it's on a private nat network theres nothing wrong with using it.
[3:17] <Datalink> Gorroth, there's no startup run from /boot/ though, so you will have to drop it in /etc/rc.local with a Linux system
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[3:17] <Datalink> but ifconfig > /boot/ifconfig.log would do it
[3:17] <Datalink> that'd get you IP and MAC info in one shot
[3:18] <Gorroth> yeah, i'll do that while i'm getting this ssh turned on
[3:19] <Datalink> erf, yeah I see, no MAC on the board, that's annoyin
[3:19] <Datalink> annoying*
[3:20] <Datalink> also if the router has netbios, it should show up as RASPBERRYPI for device name (Netgear does this)
[3:20] <Datalink> I do still need to name my pi
[3:21] <SIFTU> you guys make life harder than it should be. nmap -p22 192.168.1.{2..253}
[3:21] <Gorroth> i don't think my apple airport extreme does anything so fancy as that, but it does do bonjour
[3:21] <bircoe> DD-WRT owns them all
[3:22] <Gorroth> SIFTU: nice!
[3:22] <Datalink> Gorroth, acutally apple stuff does the netbios for name detection... since there is unix somewhere under all that polishing
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[3:23] <Datalink> reminds me, I should have tossed the Pi serial cable in my order from Adafruit
[3:24] <Datalink> https://www.adafruit.com/products/954
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[3:25] <Gorroth> sweet, that's what i really need
[3:25] <Gorroth> but i'm not gonna spend $10 now
[3:25] <bircoe> just ordering one of these now: https://www.adafruit.com/products/746
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[3:25] <bircoe> should be fun
[3:26] <Datalink> bircoe, heh, fun, planning on using a GPS hardware clock and tracker out of your Pi?
[3:26] <des2> Are you worried you're gonna lose your PI and have to track it ?
[3:26] <bircoe> no car speedo + tracking
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[3:26] <des2> ah
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[3:27] <Datalink> bircoe, ah cool, carputer...
[3:27] <Datalink> *blinks*
[3:27] <Datalink> I can revive an old project with the pi!
[3:28] <Gorroth> carputer!
[3:28] <Gorroth> i never built one of those
[3:28] <bircoe> my Audi has a spot in it's instrument cluster where a small LCD screen is optional, not exactly sure for what, but it's just blacked out at the moment, will be finding a small nice LCD to fit behind it and show the cars speed and other GPS tidbits
[3:28] <Gorroth> cool
[3:28] <Gorroth> touch screen?
[3:29] <Datalink> bircoe, nice
[3:29] <Datalink> Bus 001 Device 010: ID 045e:0719 Microsoft Corp. Xbox 360 Wireless Adapter
[3:29] <Datalink> hm... I'm surprised this plugged in without rebooting the pi
[3:29] <bircoe> nah, theres the plastic clear panel stopping you from getting yoru fingers too close, maybe one of the nokia clone LCD's that have been doing the Arduino rounds
[3:30] <bircoe> perhaps this
[3:30] <bircoe> https://www.adafruit.com/products/250
[3:30] <Datalink> bircoe, there's a few adafruit TTFs that'd work, right now I'm getting ready to get the SSD1331 based OLED to work, I like the looks of the thing so far
[3:31] <bircoe> I've got a pair of the SSD1306's here
[3:31] <Gorroth> wow, you are really going cheap on the LCD
[3:31] <bircoe> they are tiny!
[3:31] <bircoe> way smaller than I anticipated
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[3:32] <bircoe> Gorroth, it's going to be displaying text only info why do i need more :P
[3:32] <Gorroth> because... porn
[3:32] <Gorroth> you need to work all shifters at all times
[3:32] <bircoe> porn while driving?
[3:32] <Gorroth> you know what i mean
[3:32] <bircoe> hmmm
[3:32] <bircoe> good idea
[3:32] <Gorroth> :)
[3:32] <Gorroth> this is what drives innovation
[3:33] <bircoe> what porn?
[3:33] <bircoe> :)
[3:33] <bircoe> this would be nice if it was in stock
[3:33] <bircoe> https://www.adafruit.com/products/797
[3:33] <SIFTU> Gorroth: I was just reading above.. you canuse namp to find the PI.. something like sudo nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24|grep -i -B 1 rasp
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[3:34] <geordie> my hardcopy Users Guide just arrived
[3:35] <bircoe> all this talk of porn i thought you were going somewhere else with that sentance
[3:35] <bircoe> !
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[3:36] <Gorroth> SIFTU: interesting. i'll try that later... but i have a script written for now to use directly on the pi
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[3:38] <SIFTU> Gorroth: as root nmap can resolve the manufacturer from the MAC
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[3:39] <SIFTU> Gorroth: sudo nmap -sP 192.168.0.0/24|grep -B 2 Rasp <- is better
[3:41] <Gorroth> thanks; i'm going to try that when i get home
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[4:49] <leftyfb> SIFTU: that returns nothing
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[4:52] <bircoe> try adding -i between the grep and rasp, this will ignore case
[4:53] <bircoe> something like sudo nmap -sP 192.168.0.0/24 | grep -i rasp
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[4:54] <AC`97> orly
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[4:57] <leftyfb> sudo nmap -sP 192.168.0.101
[4:57] <leftyfb> Starting Nmap 5.21 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2012-10-11 22:49 EDT
[4:57] <leftyfb> Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -PN
[4:57] <leftyfb> Nmap done: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 0.35 seconds
[4:57] <leftyfb> that's it
[4:57] <leftyfb> there's nothing to grep
[4:59] <midnightyell> that's what she said
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[5:01] <midnightyell> Ah; Pi is much happier when the boot partition actually contains a start.elf file
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[5:13] <SIFTU> leftyfb: hmm mine does as root
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[5:14] <SIFTU> leftyfb: yours didnt even ping it
[5:14] <Datalink> midnightyell, that is one of those needed files
[5:14] <midnightyell> Yep; sure it
[5:14] <midnightyell> is
[5:14] <Blu3Knight> I picked up a nice SSD today for the RPI ??? for $30 (60Gb)
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[5:15] <midnightyell> specifically it's the GPU's executable
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[5:16] <des2> $30 nice.
[5:16] <des2> Too bad the PI doesn't have SATA/
[5:17] <midnightyell> I think the best deal I've seen and paid attention to was $29 for 32G class 10
[5:17] <Blu3Knight> des2: That is what USB is for :)
[5:18] <midnightyell> sata would have required a separate power supply
[5:18] <des2> It's like driving your sports car on snow tires.
[5:18] * midnightyell looks at his decidedly non-sports-car Pi
[5:19] <nsgn> what's the sports car in this analogy?
[5:19] <Blu3Knight> des2: Well currently if you use SD card it is like driving your sports car in 1st gear only :)
[5:19] <des2> midnightyell - think turbo mode!
[5:19] * midnightyell kicks a tire
[5:19] <midnightyell> my desktop is still 50x faster
[5:19] <SIFTU> bit more than 50x
[5:19] <Blu3Knight> I have tested the speed of all of them and even the fastest Class 10 will give me 5Mb/sec write.
[5:20] <midnightyell> probably
[5:20] <midnightyell> I make the speed judgement based on how fast it will compile something
[5:20] <midnightyell> mame, probably was what I was trying to build
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[5:21] <midnightyell> it's like a model sports car; fast, but only relative to its size
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[5:21] <Blu3Knight> midnightyell: No offense ??? but the PI is more like a SMART car, good gas milage but no where close to a sports car
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[5:21] <SIFTU> my laptop is at least 150x faster
[5:22] <midnightyell> I agree; I was talking about des2's comment :)
[5:22] <Prinler>
[5:22] <Blu3Knight> I know :)
[5:22] <Prinler> rar
[5:23] <Essobi> sup peebles
[5:23] <midnightyell> the pi's a windup toy; very amusing; impressive even, but not a desktop replacement
[5:23] <des2> Well I was likening the SSD to a sports car....
[5:23] <midnightyell> aha
[5:24] <des2> The Pi we can see as a volkswagon.
[5:24] <Prinler> one that has a high failure rate :p
[5:24] <midnightyell> the pi was the snow tires
[5:24] <midnightyell> Well; that changes Everything
[5:24] <midnightyell> Yugo, then
[5:24] <Prinler> how are you going to hook a SSD drive to the pi?
[5:24] <des2> He's using USB
[5:24] <Blu3Knight> des2: I will tell you the rates as soon as the DD is done ??? will boot the PI and give the results from the same SSB
[5:25] <midnightyell> you could NFS mount it :)
[5:25] <Blu3Knight> des2: There is a difference even with USB
[5:25] <Datalink> a Pi is a golf cart...
[5:25] <Blu3Knight> Datalink: Now??? that is an insult....
[5:26] <Datalink> to the Pi or the cart?
[5:26] <SIFTU> Blu3Knight: should have good iops at least
[5:26] <Blu3Knight> I would say SMART car ???. I have fun with them all the time and I have a very small car as well.
[5:26] <SIFTU> bandwidth will still suck
[5:26] <Blu3Knight> SIFTU: For $30 I see it better alternative then any SD / USB / etc
[5:27] <SIFTU> Blu3Knight: for sure.. the iops are way more important
[5:27] <Blu3Knight> You can pick one up at MicroCenter btw if you want
[5:27] <SIFTU> if you use it for / or something
[5:27] <SIFTU> i dont have one near me
[5:28] <Blu3Knight> SIFTU: Yeah??? it is an Instore only deal :(
[5:28] <SIFTU> Blu3Knight: doesnt bother me, my use for the pi requires capacity, not speed
[5:29] <Syliss> funz
[5:30] <Datalink> I have a 16 gig SD card on my pi, it's enough for my needs for it
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[5:32] <Prinler> Well i have a 328.12 gig SD card on my pi, it's enough for my needs for it
[5:34] <midnightyell> not 3.14159G ?
[5:34] <Prinler> wow they make a 128GB, its only $700!
[5:34] <Datalink> they make 300 gig SD cards?
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[5:34] <midnightyell> I'm using 500M or so of a 2G card
[5:34] <midnightyell> that was sitting in a drawer
[5:35] <des2> They should sell 3.14159 gig cards to go with it.
[5:36] <des2> With the Raspberry Logo
[5:36] <Prinler> Lexar just relased a 256MB SD card $900
[5:36] <Prinler> Lexar just relased a 256GB SD card $900
[5:36] <bircoe> 256MB OMG IM BUYING 41
[5:36] <Datalink> rootfs 15G 4.7G 9.4G 34% /
[5:36] <bircoe> :)
[5:38] <Prinler> whats the command for that
[5:38] <SIFTU> du -h
[5:38] <SIFTU> df -h sorry
[5:39] <Prinler> what? rm -rf /?
[5:39] <Prinler> lemme try it
[5:39] <atouk> i wish linux had an option for longname commands. typos are dangerous
[5:40] <Prinler> du: cannot access `sorry': No such file or directory
[5:40] <Prinler> j/k
[5:40] <Prinler> all it did was show me the size of each directory
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[5:42] <SIFTU> df -h
[5:44] <Prinler> rootfs 7.3G 1.9G 5.1G 28% /
[5:44] <des2> there is an option using alias in the shell
[5:44] <Prinler> hmm
[5:44] <Prinler> bloated hog
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[6:12] <simula_> my pi is a guilt-free 24x7 irc client :)
[6:12] <nsgn> here's a question; is it going to hurt debian/lxde if i put my pi in a situation where i just cut its power with an insteon appliance module and provide it power again when i want it to turn on and do its simple job?
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[6:13] <nsgn> i'm just making it display some info on a LCD monitor and want to cut it on and off with the monitor when i leave home. already have an insteon module nearby that cuts power to the LCD. safe to kill the pi's power like that or will it corrupt debian? i know hardware wise the pi will be ok but i guess i'm worried about the filesystem
[6:14] <SIFTU> nsgn: thats probably not a good idea
[6:14] <nsgn> :/ how would i accomplish this, then?
[6:14] <SIFTU> power on it ok, but you have risk of filesystem corruption on the sudden off
[6:14] <nsgn> having a graphical display i can cut/reconnect power to at will like an appliance?
[6:15] <SIFTU> nsgn: you want to issue a "shutdown -h now" wait 30 seconds, then cut the power
[6:15] <atouk> monitor voltage at a gpio pin and wne the pi see's a state change, run a powerdown script
[6:15] <nsgn> that adds a lot of complexity
[6:15] <nsgn> like..transforming the 110vac down to something safe for gpio
[6:16] <nsgn> and timing the insteon module to shut off a safe time after
[6:16] <nsgn> not impossible but seems more complex? is it possible to configure debian/x to run in such a configuration where a sudden cut of power is safe? a read only mode?
[6:16] <nsgn> or is X too dependent upon r/w disk access?
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[6:17] <SIFTU> everything needs r/w
[6:17] <SIFTU> not just X
[6:18] <nsgn> then perhaps is there some way to set up the filesystem that is safer for this type of usage?
[6:18] <des2> I miss when things had a physical read only switch.
[6:18] <nsgn> des2, most SD cards do..
[6:18] <SIFTU> yeah sd cards do
[6:18] <nsgn> but i dont imagine my pi would start up too happy if i used that
[6:19] <des2> Why not ?
[6:19] <SIFTU> nsgn: I dont know of any filesystems which like it's power being pulled when it's int he middle of something
[6:19] <SIFTU> even jouraling filesystems can have problems with it
[6:20] <des2> Well here's an interesting thing.
[6:20] <des2> A read only distribution for the PI
[6:20] <des2> There's no reason there can't be.
[6:20] <nsgn> hmm. frustrating. all this is is just a browser refreshing a page from a server on a screen. i dont feel like this should have to be babied like a full computer
[6:20] <nsgn> i understand why debian comes out of the box this way
[6:20] <SIFTU> yeah you can mount stuff which needs write access into ram
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[6:21] <nsgn> but i feel many uses for the pi would benefit from something 99% tolerant of sudden power failures
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[6:21] <nsgn> for times when the pi is stuffed into odd places to do little jobs
[6:21] <des2> There are plenty of live CD/DVD distributions.
[6:21] <des2> That move things to memory.
[6:21] <SIFTU> nsgn: it is not bullet proof by any means
[6:22] <SIFTU> actually the pi with sd is the most unstable system I have dealt with
[6:23] <nsgn> also, totally unrelated, DARN you LCD manufacturers for making most monitors i own not have DVI ports
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[6:23] <nsgn> never had reason to notice such a thing until raspberry pi
[6:23] <SIFTU> what did you use??
[6:23] <SIFTU> vga?
[6:24] <simula_> ewww
[6:24] <midnightyell> cga?
[6:25] <nsgn> SIFTU, i have a bunch of 16 and 18.5 inch LCD monitors from several years ago
[6:25] <nsgn> they all are VGA only
[6:26] <nsgn> and honestly, at that screen size and resolution, windows looks identical on them through VGA as it would through DVI if it had it
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[6:26] <nsgn> its just frustrating now that I want to do stuff with the Pi to find that all these stupid monitors i have can't talk pi
[6:27] <SIFTU> I'm not a video perfectionist by any means, but I can tell VGA to DVI
[6:27] <simula_> you can get an hdmi to vga adapter
[6:27] <midnightyell> lots of cheapo DVI monitors at goodwill
[6:27] <SIFTU> simula_: that would probably cost more than a monitor with DVI :)
[6:28] <nsgn> SIFTU, i'd challenge you to do so on a 16inch LCD. it's really no great difference. but sadly i'm not given the choice on such units since, as they were made to be bottom line cheap, they skipped on the connector
[6:28] <nsgn> its not a biggie. mainly just annoyed one of the two monitors i have nailed up to the wall for these heads up displays is VGA only. what a rip :)
[6:29] <SIFTU> nsgn: I do have monitors with both VGA and DVI and I can tell, but it is a 24" screen
[6:29] <nsgn> oh yeah. you can deff see it at higher resolutions
[6:29] <nsgn> i'm talking like..1024x768 :)
[6:29] <nsgn> cause thats the most this monitor can display. haha
[6:35] <nsgn> what's the power consumption measured at the wall outlet for a pi?
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[6:37] <des2> The pi itself draws about 2.4 Watts
[6:37] <des2> Depending on your adapter efficiency it'll somewhere under 4 watts.
[6:38] <nsgn> nice and slim. i'm trying to replace an intel atom based system i have driving two screens on the wall in the office
[6:39] <nsgn> i'd need two PIs to do the job the one atom does, but the atom pulls about 30 to 40w..so even both PIs would be less
[6:39] <nsgn> and they'd be silent. the atom is fan cooled, and makes an annoying whine
[6:39] <des2> my intel atom draws 12 watts at the wall outlet
[6:39] <nsgn> what board or barebone?
[6:39] <des2> my atom has no fan.
[6:39] <des2> D510MO
[6:39] <nsgn> though i know i do not have the current state of the art atom box :P
[6:40] <des2> Pico Psu
[6:40] <des2> M350 case
[6:40] <des2> SSD. No oving parts or fans.
[6:40] <nsgn> got ya. although that's more expensive than the one i'm running
[6:40] <des2> moving
[6:40] <nsgn> but its nice
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[6:41] <des2> the new intel atom motherboard has hdmi and dvi out so you can run 2 monitors.
[6:41] <nsgn> really? now that's pretty slick
[6:41] <nsgn> i'm running a SSD in mine but there is a tiny fan on the CPU and one on the psu
[6:41] <McGooch> Hello all. New newb here. :)
[6:42] <des2> Is new newb redundant ?
[6:42] <McGooch> Or more accurate, who knows. I had to google how to register with freenode just to get this far.
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[6:43] <nsgn> well you've made it farther than a lot. whats up?
[6:43] <McGooch> Anyone know how to build these opengl examples on the rpi? http://hackaday.com/2012/07/06/opengl-on-the-raspi/
[6:45] <McGooch> So far, I'm getting errors about missing libpng but not really sure how to do that. The guides just say go get the dependencies. But I'm not sure how to do that.
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[6:45] <McGooch> This is it here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=9693
[6:49] <rikkib> sudo apt-get install libpng
[6:50] <McGooch> unfortunately that just says unable to locate libpng
[6:50] <rikkib> Or something similar... google is your friend
[6:51] <McGooch> So it is an apt package that I'
[6:51] <rikkib> sudo apt-get install libpng-dev
[6:51] <McGooch> m missing then
[6:51] <rikkib> sounds like it.
[6:52] <rikkib> and as it sounds like you are developing you probably need headers for compilation
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[6:52] <rikkib> satisfy the dependencies and it works
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[6:52] <SIFTU> apt-cache search libpng
[6:52] <SIFTU> libpng12-0 - PNG library - runtime
[6:53] <SIFTU> libpng12-dev - PNG library - development
[6:53] <rikkib> there you go... A man that has installed the extra apt utils
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[7:00] <McGooch> Awesome, thanks. I'm getting much farther now. Seems to have built. Now to try it out
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[7:12] <McGooch> apt-cache search helped a lot. Also, I didn't know about the -dev convension for source and headers
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[7:27] <oneman> hi
[7:27] <oneman> confused on where to get the kernel source for the current raspbian version
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[7:29] <oneman> Ive got the rpi-3.2.27 branch
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[7:30] <oneman> but it wont compile ..
[7:33] <oneman> i may have found my screwup WIP
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[7:37] <oneman> the sd card corruption issues are very frustrating
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[8:02] <Sv> ItzExor,
[8:02] <ItzExor> Sv
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[8:05] <Syliss> hmm
[8:06] <midnightyell> I'm not having any issues compiling the kernel from aboyt a week ago
[8:06] <midnightyell> fwiw, get it from github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[8:07] <Syliss> derp
[8:08] <rikkib> The kernel I built a few days ago is a little more stable but motion is still having issues.
[8:09] <rikkib> My first attempt at building motion... Fail.
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[8:24] <Tz1m1sc3> morning
[8:27] <oneman> ive switched to using a ssd on usb because of the sdcard corruption issues
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[8:38] <Xark> oneman: I hope your USB <-> SATA is better than the one I have. I found it is about 1/2 as fast as a normal USB 2.0 HDD drive. :)
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[8:40] <oneman> currently its faster and not prone to random corruption
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[8:40] <oneman> no idea where i got it, all i can say is it says made in china lol
[8:42] <Xark> oneman: Cool. I must just have a crappy one (It is a few years old).
[8:43] <oneman> I have been a programmer for a long time, and I have an unlimited tolerance to frustration, however the raspberry puts this to the test ;P
[8:43] <Xark> oneman: That said, I am with you on not trusting SD cards with my root filesystem. :)
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[8:44] <oneman> yeah, pretty much at this time you can't trust the sdcard, this is frustrating because its the first time in my 15 years of playing with linux where you could not trust the filesystem
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[8:44] <oneman> I've had plenty of physical disk failures but not corruption
[8:45] <oneman> I hope that its software related and can be fixed
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[8:50] <oneman> im building a kernel on the rpi itself, using the usb ssd
[8:50] <oneman> should be a good test of stability
[8:50] <oneman> ssd is using btrfs as well
[8:51] <Xark> oneman: I haven't really had too much trouble (running from external USB drive). I haven't been using it heavily though (but it seems stable). I have done a fair bit of OpenGL goofing around (and ran 100% CPU/GPU stress tests for a few days - survived nicely). I am all stock settings.
[8:51] <oneman> aye
[8:52] <oneman> any clue if the arch linux for rpi is using a newer than 3.2 kernel?
[8:53] <oneman> The problem I am actually trying to solve is getting h264 off the C920 camera
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[8:54] <oneman> it works, but with some strange corruption, the same software works on my PC
[8:54] <oneman> so I suspect its a v4l2/uvc issue
[8:54] <oneman> so I am trying to compile the v4l2 backport tree
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[8:55] <Xark> oneman: I don't know about that. I am running Rasbian.
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[8:59] <oneman> yeap me to]
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[9:32] <tarheelbandb> hello folks
[9:32] <phr> howdy
[9:32] <Sv> hi
[9:32] <tarheelbandb> finally decided what to do with my pi afer i saw this post on hackaday about a pandora radio running off a beaglebone
[9:33] <tarheelbandb> anyone here familiar with interfacing LCDs?
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[9:34] <tarheelbandb> or can anyone point me to a tutorial on getting the lcd to display information from a program]
[9:35] <Xark> tarheelbandb: Like http://learn.adafruit.com/drive-a-16x2-lcd-directly-with-a-raspberry-pi
[9:35] <tarheelbandb> i have my lcd running properly
[9:35] <tarheelbandb> my issue is the software side. sorry for not being clear
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[9:36] <tarheelbandb> i want to display track information, time, etc from pianobar to the lcd
[9:36] <Xark> tarheelbandb: OK, well that tutorial also covers using Python to drive the LCD.
[9:36] <tarheelbandb> is that something that needs to be done from the source of pianobar or something i can do with a separate python script?
[9:37] <Xark> Sorry, I am not familiar with pianobar.
[9:38] <tarheelbandb> that tutorial, which i have followed already, doesnt cover displaying information from another program. (pianobar is this pretty cool command line Pandora player)
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[9:38] <tarheelbandb> i have that up and running proper as well on my pi, im stuck at getting the information from the prograam to display to the lcd
[9:39] <Xark> tarheelbandb: From their web site, you sure looks like you can interact with it via Python.
[9:39] <tarheelbandb> who's website?
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[9:40] <Xark> http://6xq.net/projects/pianobar/ (assuming this is what you are talking about)
[9:42] <tarheelbandb> this is a generic question not specific to pianobar
[9:43] <tarheelbandb> to display status of a program, must i write a script that "pulls" that info or must i edit the source of that program to "push" that info to the lcd?
[9:44] <linuxstb> Either approach should work. The second would be cleaner.
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[9:47] <tarheelbandb> i see. i am just getting into python but assuming i edit the source, it seems that i would reference the gpiolcd library and tell the program to "print" to the lcd?
[9:47] <GGon> hm
[9:48] <GGon> newark sent out my clear case
[9:48] <GGon> it shows up tomorrow
[9:48] <Xark> tarheelbandb: Well, since there is an "API" to get this info out of pianobar (e.g., they provide an example shell script), you don't need to modify the source.
[9:48] <tarheelbandb> and assuming i go the python route i would tell the script to "pull" the data and print to the lcd
[9:48] <GGon> i forgot about it. it was on backorder heh
[9:49] <Xark> tarheelbandb: Generally. You could for example, update it once a second.
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[9:49] <tarheelbandb> I am marginally familiar with API's but i only understand them as a means of pulling data from a website.
[9:53] <Datalink> an API in general is an interface between a closed or confusing codebase and a language
[9:53] <evilbetty> morning ;)
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[9:54] <Datalink> for example, APIs for websites, as you mentioned tarheelbandb, but also APIs for interfacing with hardware which might talk in short lookup tables at best.. I'm actually about to write an API between languages I use and an SPI controlled OLED for a project
[9:54] <tarheelbandb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lScSBePs6lU this is the video is the extend of my knowledge of API's.
[9:54] <yaMatt> my RS raspberry pi turned up last night!
[9:54] <yaMatt> sadly it's not a UK one
[9:54] <linuxstb> yaMatt: Did they email you before shipping it?
[9:54] <evilbetty> now u have to wait till your micro usb cable, power supply and large sd card arrives? ;)
[9:54] <Hoerie> mine turned up on wednesday
[9:54] <yaMatt> linuxstb, they did not
[9:55] <Hoerie> linuxstb: for me they did
[9:55] <linuxstb> ;)
[9:55] <evilbetty> i wouldnt know i received mine last monday
[9:55] <Datalink> tarheelbandb, think of them as a stack of functions you can use to do things...
[9:55] <yaMatt> RS have a communication problem
[9:55] <evilbetty> from element14
[9:55] <tarheelbandb> so Xark mentioned that pianobar has an API. how do i go about "pulling" from the api
[9:55] <yaMatt> well it's my second pi and I usually have that junk lying around so I'm always prepared for a surprise Pi arrival :D
[9:55] <tarheelbandb> website api's seem more intuitive to pull from than a program that is running already
[9:56] <evilbetty> i was lucky i had a micro usb cable from phone, and a samsugn tab usb charger ^:p
[9:56] <Datalink> APIs are an interface, don't just pull... but there should be a list of functions with the API
[9:56] <Hoerie> they sent me a mail on the 5th saying they'd dispatched it, the package stated it had been packed on the 28th
[9:56] <evilbetty> and me 2 GB sdcard was too small, but i just changed on cmdthing.txt to have / from usb stick and only /boot from sd
[9:56] <yaMatt> actually yeah, I am lacking a usb mains adapter, my gf thought she had one but we can't find it
[9:57] <evilbetty> but i'm happy with mine now that i got lirc_rpi working :p
[9:57] <yaMatt> are Farnell shipping UK Pis?
[9:58] <evilbetty> maybe it depends where you are?
[9:58] <yaMatt> as in, has someone received one?
[9:58] <evilbetty> hoy cqn u seeM
[9:58] <evilbetty> oops
[9:58] <yaMatt> hahah
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[9:58] <yaMatt> what on earth was that?
[9:59] <evilbetty> it was my azerty keyb jumping in qwerty
[9:59] <evilbetty> mine says clearly "make in uk" if thats what u mean
[9:59] <evilbetty> but im in belgium so thats close to uk
[9:59] <Hoerie> I hope it says made in uk and not make ;-)
[9:59] <evilbetty> lol
[10:00] <tarheelbandb> for example the pianobar "Eventcmd"
[10:00] <evilbetty> ordered it last tuesday or so and had it next monday
[10:00] <tarheelbandb> for example the pianobar "Eventcmd" can output to an external program . i think i found my solution
[10:01] <yaMatt> evilbetty, from Farnell?
[10:01] <Xark> tarheelbandb: Sounds very promising. :)
[10:02] <evilbetty> element14 i guess that is farnell yes
[10:02] <Tz1m1sc3> yes it is
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[10:03] <yaMatt> cool
[10:03] <yaMatt> may be putting my 3rd order in then :)
[10:03] <evilbetty> i'm not very sure what boatd it is tho, im not at home to check
[10:03] <evilbetty> board
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[10:10] <yaMatt> evilbetty, if it has mounting holes I'm happy
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[10:15] <evilbetty> should have 2
[10:15] <evilbetty> one under the raspberry and one somewhere else i cant remember ;)
[10:16] <evilbetty> i need a webserver that does cgi without fuzz
[10:16] <evilbetty> so i guess that excludes lighttpd and nginx
[10:16] <evilbetty> i heard of thttpd but i'll have to compile it myself it seems
[10:18] <tarheelbandb> i've gotten cherokee to compile on my pogoplug
[10:18] <tarheelbandb> u may have luck with the pi
[10:18] <evilbetty> and it supports cgi directly?
[10:19] <evilbetty> without fastcgi wrappers and stuff like that?
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[10:27] <evilbetty> how do u crosscompile something for rpi that requires extra libs?
[10:27] <rymate1234> with great difficulty
[10:27] <evilbetty> i mean a hello world compiles fine on my desktop
[10:27] <evilbetty> hehe
[10:27] <evilbetty> i guess having those libs for x86 on ur desktop is not enough :p
[10:28] <Tz1m1sc3> apt-get install [extras lib name]-dev
[10:28] <evilbetty> thats enough even to crosscompile?
[10:28] <xranby> evilbetty: for jogl we created a selfcontained header that can be used to cross compile code for the pi without having access to the binary blobs
[10:28] <rymate1234> tbh I don't cross conpile
[10:28] <xranby> also in JOGL we load librarys dynamically
[10:28] <rymate1234> I comp[ile straight on pi
[10:28] <xranby> so no compile time dependency
[10:28] <evilbetty> right
[10:29] <rymate1234> *compile
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[10:29] <evilbetty> hehe wel im compiling cherokee now on the rpi
[10:30] <xranby> evilbetty: if you want to use this header to access opengl es then have a go at : http://jogamp.org/git/?p=jogl.git;a=blob_plain;f=src/newt/native/bcm_vc_iv.h;h=b43483c10f1f7ac181c39085d523715accc0e685;hb=HEAD
[10:30] <evilbetty> but i have an i7 catching dust that would like to take over the comp!iling from the rpi :p
[10:30] <evilbetty> i'll have a look thanks
[10:30] <xranby> evilbetty: bcm_host_init is available after you have ldopen the broadcom libEGL
[10:31] <Tz1m1sc3> inside of an qemu-chroot like envirroment
[10:31] <xranby> because the broadcom libEGL depends on the libbcm* stuff itself
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[10:31] <xranby> so you do not need to load this lib in your code
[10:31] <xranby> it get loaded automagically by ldopen
[10:31] <evilbetty> actually i'm not sure what ur talking about :p
[10:32] <xranby> i am trying to give you the solution to your question: (10:27:20) evilbetty: how do u crosscompile something for rpi that requires extra libs?
[10:32] <evilbetty> i just meant any lib-dev really :p
[10:32] <xranby> ok
[10:32] <xranby> i was mostly thinking about the pi specific parts
[10:32] <xranby> like the gpu blobs
[10:32] <xranby> that we only have arm binary for
[10:32] <evilbetty> thats for the future
[10:32] <evilbetty> but its bookmarked anyway
[10:33] <xranby> i reccomend you to use the linaro cross compile tools
[10:33] <evilbetty> nah say i write a program that makes use of libsdlaudio-dev and it compiles fine on dekstop, it'll probably compile fine on rpi too, but what about crosscompiling on desktop for pi
[10:33] <xranby> evilbetty: here is how to do it
[10:34] <xranby> first install a cross compile toolchain
[10:34] <evilbetty> have those already
[10:34] <xranby> this will give you a gcc that can compile on the desktop for the pi
[10:34] <xranby> ok
[10:34] <evilbetty> used ct-ng and my crosscompiles works fine
[10:34] <xranby> then you need to setup a "chroot" filled with all the arm compiled librarys that you want to link against
[10:34] <evilbetty> already compiled a kernel with it
[10:34] <evilbetty> :o
[10:34] <xranby> you can for example place a rasbian filesystem on your desktop harddrive
[10:35] <xranby> so that you get access to all the rasbian librarys
[10:35] <evilbetty> yes so having the x86 equivalent on desktop is not enough right
[10:36] <xranby> exactly
[10:36] <xranby> this is the main reason why we have "SDK" for mobile phone developement
[10:36] <xranby> the SDK contains a copy of all the librarys you want to link against
[10:36] <evilbetty> i see
[10:36] <xranby> for the Pi you will have to prepare a Pi SDK yourself
[10:37] <evilbetty> can u just copy all libs of rpi to desktop and give that folder to the cross linker?
[10:39] <xranby> byyes
[10:39] <xranby> yes
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[10:39] <evilbetty> k thanks, i guess i'll find out now with what i know
[10:40] <evilbetty> i'll google a bit more generally for arm instead of rpi
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[10:56] <rymate1234> test
[10:57] <FR^2> test not successful. please repeat.
[10:57] <rymate1234> ok
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[11:16] <Datalink> hm, is there a way to run a script when I connect to specific access points, short of running a cron to see what wifi I'm connected to?
[11:18] <yaMatt> you can probably run a script that runs whenevr you connect to an AP and then get the script to work out if it needs to fire or not
[11:18] <yaMatt> WiCD I'm pretty sure will let you run a script on connect
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[11:21] <Datalink> hm, *looks into it*
[11:22] <evilbetty> maybe even the post stuff in interfaces config?
[11:22] <yaMatt> Datalink, asking pretty much your exact question http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2989618/run-command-when-connected-to-a-specific-wireless-network
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[11:23] <yaMatt> I think best bet is to set up a cron job that runs every minute looking for being connected to the right wifi AP
[11:23] <evilbetty> :p
[11:24] <Datalink> yaMatt, joy... all I want to do is (and I know this is complex) either A: print a page that says "hey, I'm at __.__.__.__" or otherwise send me a message or drop the same message on my server.
[11:25] <Datalink> I'm fortunate that I don't need to fake an 'I agree' with Linux (I actually need to do that for Windows though)
[11:26] <Amorsen> You probably want the NetworkManager DBUS API
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[11:26] <evilbetty> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=89854
[11:27] <evilbetty> this uses instead of cron dhcp hooks that trigger when u get ip i think
[11:29] <Amorsen> http://www.no-ack.org/2010/07/writing-simple-dbus-client-in-python.html
[11:33] <Datalink> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=89854 totally unrelated but the dhclient hooks are a good way for me to handle this
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[11:33] <Datalink> this is all because they don't have HDMI cables at the school, or monitors with HDMI... I suppose I could also dredge up my HDMI->DVI cable though
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[11:36] <Datalink> oh dhclient doesn't apply...
[11:38] <Jck_true> Datalink: Perfect size display for an IP :P - http://dx.com/p/jy-mcu-16x-digital-tube-yellow-led-module-104311?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate/
[11:38] <Datalink> haha
[11:38] <Datalink> nah, if I wanted to go that route I'd just hook my Arduino up in tristate mode again
[11:39] <Datalink> the idea is I don't want to have to wire it up spectacularly to use it here... for once
[11:39] <Datalink> er, here... at school
[11:39] <Datalink> mind you, I'm working on stuff like a console emulator and other eccentric fun stuff
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[11:40] <Jck_true> No worries - Good luck
[11:40] <Datalink> http://www.adafruit.com/products/684 is sitting on my pi's breadboard
[11:40] <Datalink> I just haven't gotten to writing an SPI interface for it yet
[11:40] <locutox> yay got all my parts for my gps data logger project using a rpi! (except the rpi which will arrive in 8 weeks)
[11:40] <Datalink> locutox, ouch that's a bad lead time, who's the retailer?
[11:41] <locutox> rs components
[11:41] <Datalink> ah... ouch
[11:41] <evilbetty> :o
[11:41] <Jck_true> Datalink: I just ordered a controller board for an old laptop LCD :D
[11:41] <Datalink> Jck_true, yeah, but I can't lug that to school... or I would
[11:41] <evilbetty> i cant wait for my 5 dollar stellaris arm boards to arrive :p
[11:41] <Datalink> I still need to make an LVDS <-> anything for my FPGA
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[11:42] <evilbetty> they have an rgb led! ;)
[11:42] <locutox> Datalink: impulse buy!
[11:42] <locutox> but i now have plenty of time to code everything else on a netbook for prototyping
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[11:43] <Datalink> http://thingm.com/products/blinkm-minm.html is already being controlled by a commandline utility...
[11:43] <Datalink> right now it's showing... white
[11:43] <Datalink> datalink@raspberrypi ~ $ blinkm set-rgb -g 128 -b 255
[11:43] <Datalink> and now it's showing a blue I like
[11:44] <Jck_true> I've got high hopes for http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thingm/blink1-the-usb-rgb-led :)
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[11:44] <Datalink> yeah, I'm gonna wait till thingm makes those production... should be soon... though I like my minm
[11:44] <evilbetty> isnt $15 for a smart rgb led a bit much?
[11:44] <Datalink> find it cheaper
[11:45] <evilbetty> ive seen smart led strings for the same price
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[11:46] <Datalink> strand addressable or individual?
[11:46] <Jck_true> Right now I got this on my desk at home - Lame but it works http://dx.com/p/usb-webmail-msn-skype-notifier-1-3m-cable-51824?Utm_rid=58973692&Utm_source=affiliate/
[11:47] <Datalink> I'll second the lame... :P
[11:47] <Datalink> I still need to set up various boot scripts to show various colors for technicolor boot
[11:47] <Datalink> though I'll probably more generally use it for showing something more common, donno yet
[11:47] <Datalink> thinking weather indicator... or something
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[11:50] <booyaa> Datalink: how have you rigged up your blinkm to your pi?
[11:51] * booyaa hasn't played with his in ages
[11:51] <booyaa> klast time i rigged mine up to a wii nunchuck to change the colours when you twiddled the joystick
[11:53] <Datalink> you actually can hook a blinkm almost directly into a ribbon cable on the 3.3V side, gnd will need a wire, but it's actually + d c in the same order as 3vc sda sck on the pi's connector
[11:54] <Datalink> currently it's breadboard wired, 3v3 off the pi's powering my breadboard power bus, blinkm's got 2 wires from the pi breakout to handle the data
[11:54] <Datalink> blinkm's an AVR so it's happy at 3v3
[11:54] <booyaa> Datalink: sweet do i need any resistors to protect the pi?
[11:55] <Datalink> booyaa, the blinkm is running at 3v3 as I power it from the Pi's 3v3 pin so no overvolt risk, if you run it at 5v then you will need an i2c voltage converter
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[11:56] <Datalink> i2c tends to not like the resistor method
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[11:58] <Datalink> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=11969 <- has some good info, including the program I modded to work, gpio load i2c should enable the i2c bus for your user if you're on raspbian
[12:00] <Datalink> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=11969 <- change line 25 in i2c_functions.c of this from /dev/i2c-3 to /dev/i2c-0 to reflect the different location of i2c for the pi's GPIO header
[12:00] <Datalink> sorry, wrong link
[12:00] <Datalink> https://github.com/scottellis/overo-blinkm
[12:00] <evilbetty> hmm
[12:00] <Datalink> I compiled it, tested it, then put it in my /usr/local/bin directory so I can run blinkm from anywhere
[12:00] <evilbetty> that brings me to a question
[12:00] <evilbetty> do gpio pins for i2c autmatically get set to be i2c pins instead of gpio when loading the kernel module?
[12:01] <evilbetty> the i2c kernel module
[12:01] <Datalink> hm, I apparently put it in /usr/bin... /usr/local/bin would be prefered
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[12:01] <Datalink> evilbetty, by default they don't... the gpio package loads the i2c module when you tell it to
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[12:03] <evilbetty> hmm i dot underqtand what u mean
[12:03] <booyaa> sweet thanks dude
[12:03] <booyaa> will giev it go this weekend :)
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[12:03] <Datalink> good luck booyaa, lemme know how it goes
[12:04] <booyaa> deffo
[12:04] <Datalink> oh I do load i2c-dev in /dev/modules to make it work
[12:04] <evilbetty> ah right
[12:04] <evilbetty> so that does set the pins to i2c in the chip?
[12:04] <evilbetty> thats what i wanted to know
[12:05] <Datalink> evilbetty, I think they do, honestly not 100% sure
[12:05] <Datalink> I don't use GPIO function currently so I don't pay attention much
[12:05] <evilbetty> k
[12:05] <evilbetty> i guess its time to get a collection of i2c chips now :p
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[12:06] <Datalink> sparkfun.com has a few good ones, as does adafruit.com and seeedstudio.com
[12:06] <evilbetty> or maybe get a wii nunchuck thing it has plenty of i2c stuff i it
[12:06] <Datalink> sparkfun has a nice breakout for that
[12:06] <evilbetty> k :)
[12:06] <evilbetty> ill check tnx
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[12:07] <Datalink> hehe, the pi's the ultimate EE computer... I love it XD
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[12:07] <Datalink> here, have a linux user controllable GPIO header XD
[12:08] * Datalink starts scanning a display library to work out the SPI opcodes for text output
[12:08] <evilbetty> i do hav some spi led matrix controllers
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[12:09] <evilbetty> but thats boring :p
[12:12] <Datalink> I have an OLED screen, fancy enough to draw my attention
[12:13] <Datalink> plus I want to use this thing as the display for the Pi'd Piper
[12:14] <Datalink> idea being I reduce the amount of non-Pi control to a minimum... folks should be able to pull the package, install it and have magic happen when they plug their pi into it... or... if they wanna hack, be able to without having to get out a programmer
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[12:21] <Datalink> yay, just found my HDMI<->DVI cable
[12:21] <Datalink> anything else I can leech off the school computers
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[12:26] <Jck_true> evilbetty: Project #1 for I2C must be an RTC clock
[12:26] <Jck_true> DS1307 or something
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[12:28] <evilbetty> nah
[12:28] <evilbetty> thats eve more boring than a led matrix :p
[12:29] <Jck_true> evilbetty: The DS1307 actually got 57 bytes of storage...!
[12:29] <Jck_true> That's 57 bytes you can store anything in!
[12:29] <Jck_true> Anything you could possibly imagine!
[12:30] <Jck_true> ... Right - I don't think you're as enthusiastic about that as I am
[12:30] <Schabo> lol
[12:31] <evilbetty> :p
[12:32] <evilbetty> if it would have been 64 bytes i'd have said hell yeah
[12:32] <evilbetty> but 57 :/
[12:33] <Jck_true> My bad - it's 56 actually - But it's still good!
[12:34] <evilbetty> :o
[12:35] <evilbetty> in 10 more minutes u're gonna need separate storage for it because it will need 7 bytes
[12:35] <evilbetty> if u keep lowering at this rate anyway
[12:36] <Jck_true> You kids and your terabyte harddrives... You've been spoiled by internet porn :| I'll go be grumpy in corner even through i'm only 24...
[12:37] <evilbetty> i like large smartcards better :p
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[12:59] <Caver> hi
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[12:59] <Caver> has anyone seen or heard anything about the Gertboards?
[13:02] <Datalink> some, I just use a breadboard and my own existing circuit library so I haven't paid much attention to it
[13:02] <shiftplusone> You might need to be more specific.
[13:02] <shiftplusone> (Caver)
[13:02] <Caver> oh right - I ordered one, and I think the delivery date has come and gone
[13:03] <Caver> and nothings arrived, I wondered if I'd missed a status update on it
[13:03] <shiftplusone> ah, no idea.
[13:03] <Datalink> that's a question for the supplier... sadly
[13:04] <Datalink> I don't even know when my pibow is gonna arrive right now
[13:04] <Caver> hehe yup mine is currently attached to a breadboard too
[13:05] <Caver> pibow is a case?
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[13:05] <Datalink> yeah, the rainbow one
[13:06] <Datalink> datalink@raspberrypi ~ $ blinkm set-rgb -g 128 -b 255
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[13:06] <Datalink> ah there's the opcodes for this SPI display
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[13:09] <InControl> Some gertboards are being shipped by Farnell today apparently, or you can get it from Tandy from stock
[13:10] <Caver> oh!
[13:10] <Datalink> okay my pibow falls in the current in-production run on their site
[13:10] <InControl> http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/electronics/kits.html
[13:11] <Datalink> and should ship today... apparently, yay
[13:11] <Datalink> the gert'd probably be fun for general IO toying around with my arduino and other kits (if it didn't already hve an AVR
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[13:12] <InControl> I'm not convinced myself that the Gertboard is terribly useful
[13:12] <Caver> I guess it comes down to ... what you want to do
[13:12] <Caver> for me .. very useful :)
[13:13] <InControl> You can do everything the gertboard does on a breadboard
[13:13] <Datalink> it's handy if you're learning, or if you have wiring applications that the gertboard provides, yeah, but if you're like some of us who buy bare bone parts and wire them together, it's not gonna be ideal
[13:13] <InControl> On the one hand the really simple PiFace looks a lot better
[13:13] <Datalink> it has a purpose, and looks like it'd fill that purpose well
[13:13] <InControl> for people learning
[13:14] <Datalink> I'm working on an application 'pi plate' myself
[13:14] <InControl> Gertboard IMHO is to complex for people learning for the first time
[13:14] <Datalink> donno, do we have a standard 'shield' name for the Pi yet?
[13:14] * Datalink shrugs
[13:14] <Datalink> it has it's uses, like I said
[13:15] <Datalink> my breadboard's enough for me, but I'm not gonna deny others are more confortable with different environments
[13:15] <Caver> it's things like getting good timings etc that will be useful for me
[13:15] <Datalink> oh right that one... was looking at it
[13:15] <InControl> I have a Gertboard but not terribly impressed
[13:15] <InControl> just a bunch of stuff chucked on a board
[13:15] <Caver> interesting - how come?
[13:16] <InControl> I feel it would be better as a set of modules
[13:16] <Caver> fair enough
[13:17] <InControl> It is kind of random
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[13:17] <Datalink> okay I'm getting giddy looking at the little video pi-face has on their site fo their pi cycling the relays, I'm either sleep deprived or eager to have that kinda potential...
[13:18] <Datalink> I'm kinda gonna go with sleep deprived on that one cause I've got morning class in 2 hours...
[13:18] <Caver> grins
[13:18] <InControl> Don't get me wrong, I suppose it is useful to have these things on a board, but not really very good for the intended education user
[13:19] <Datalink> ugh, I actually have to get some PR4 just to work out the proper form factor for my breadboards... I just had an idea to use the stackable method used by my USB TV tuner card...
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[13:20] <InControl> The stack method seems good to start with but it doesn't work so well in practice
[13:21] <InControl> it is a bit precarious, especially if you have buttons to press on board
[13:21] <InControl> I think the way the gertboard connects using a ribbon is better
[13:21] <InControl> although stupid that the ribbon has to be folded
[13:21] <InControl> should have been astraight connection
[13:23] <Datalink> yeah, I'm kinda worried about the buttons I'm going to use, gonna end up having to make a plastic piece with feet, I think >.<
[13:24] <Caver> another job for the reprap
[13:25] <Datalink> if I had one, yeah, I'm probably gonna have to hot wire some foam or something
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[13:26] <Datalink> hm, XuLA can be powered off 5V pin but needs USB initiallized to load without a firmware on it's flash
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[13:28] <Datalink> also hotplugging XuLA drops 3v3 below minm threshhold... not good
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[13:48] <DomasoFan> hi guys. so. back again. my pi now works fortunately. anyone knows if i can put all 256 mb of ram just to the CPU or does it need some mb back at the GPU? i am working at the command line anyway.
[13:49] <Datalink> GPU needs some memory to work from, a 240/16 split works fine for me
[13:50] <DomasoFan> thats the lowest you can get at the gpu. don't need graphics so wonder if you also could put all 256 to the cpu. raspi-config is just able to give 240 mb to cpu and 16 mb to gpu.
[13:50] <Datalink> hm, no surprise, the LFS group has a pi instruction page...
[13:50] <chithead> gpu needs some memory for the framebuffer and other things
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[13:51] <chithead> do note that the gpu manages the memory and almost everything else on the rpi. it will pass some of its memory to the cpu if configured to do so
[13:51] <Jck_true> DomasoFan: The GPU is also what boots the thing... So it needs a bit of ram (sadly)
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[13:52] <evilbetty> a gpu booting the rpi :o
[13:52] <evilbetty> why is all this so complicated :p
[13:52] <Datalink> evilbetty, the GPU is the bootrom... this is well documented
[13:52] <Matt> because it's a SoC
[13:53] <DomasoFan> ah alright. would just need 5 mb or so more to make a app working on the pi. then thinking of using something else.
[13:53] <Datalink> also yeah, SoC...
[13:53] <chithead> DomasoFan: zram
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[13:53] <Datalink> DomasoFan, what are you running that takes over 240 megs of RAM on an ARM SoC system? ._.
[13:53] <Jck_true> evilbetty: World is a complicated place bro
[13:53] <evilbetty> seems so yes
[13:53] <Datalink> he says as he's trying ot make qemu wrappers work on his pi...
[13:53] <Jck_true> DomasoFan: Swap then?
[13:54] <evilbetty> or kill rsyslogd :p
[13:54] <Datalink> heh, yeah, or find some other vital linux system to kill
[13:55] <chithead> vital? rsyslogd is not even shipped by many distros
[13:55] <Datalink> I say vital in that it's in the default boot order, not that you'll kill your system for having one less daemon
[13:55] <DomasoFan> hehe. no i just tried a softsynth with a better instrument library attached to it which has around 241 mb so that doesn't completely fit into the ram.
[13:55] <evilbetty> and whats that console kit daemon anyway using almost 4 rams
[13:55] <chithead> find a way to reduce the size of that library
[13:55] <Datalink> rams, is that like quads in star trek?
[13:56] <evilbetty> 1 ram or more rams
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[13:56] <evilbetty> i dont know startrek at all
[13:56] <Datalink> they used quads when they need to give filesizes to prevent them from looking dated...
[13:56] <evilbetty> i know theres a guy called Picard
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[13:56] <Datalink> like: "this sensor data's 500 gigaquads"
[13:57] <Datalink> they ended up looking dated anyway because it went up into the terraquads near the end of voyager
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[13:57] <evilbetty> like a nipp.. erm nibble
[13:57] <Datalink> from kiloquads in TNG
[13:57] <Datalink> (span of about 15 years)
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[13:59] <DomasoFan> yeah deleting a few sounds here and there might work. or looking for a program which doesn't need to load all things into ram but that's what those programs do to increase access speed. oh well. still amazing that this box can do that btw.
[14:00] <Datalink> it's not a bad SoC for the price
[14:00] <DomasoFan> no not really. i still have room to the top. haven't overclocked it yet. still at its defaults.
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[14:02] <Datalink> I've got no plan to OC mine right now, media is kinda secondary to my needs for a linux box with GPIO header
[14:02] <evilbetty> i noticed my rpi yesterday locking up for first time with overclock
[14:03] <evilbetty> when apt-get started reading the database or whatever
[14:04] <DomasoFan> ah fun times. i had no luck with my transcend 16 gb sd card class 10 yesterday. didn't liked it all that much. was listed though on the wiki. put now a microsd 8 gb class 4 card in which works.
[14:04] <evilbetty> what happened exactly?
[14:04] <DomasoFan> well it didn't boot. i am blind so i can't tell you what was lighted or so.
[14:05] <evilbetty> my lockups yesterday started with sdcard i think
[14:05] <evilbetty> i could still ssh to the rpi, but all commands froze
[14:05] <evilbetty> and the activity light was constant on
[14:05] <evilbetty> once i put it back to 700Mhz everything went fine
[14:06] <evilbetty> anyway i like running it on 900Mhz, seems to make most difference, once above 900Mhz speed agin is only very small
[14:07] <evilbetty> but i only tried by calculating pi on my pi :p
[14:07] <Datalink> DomasoFan, I've stuck with class 4 on my 16GB card
[14:07] <evilbetty> i got a sony class 10 that mentions 94MB/s
[14:07] <evilbetty> and it feels alot faster than my cheap c4 sandisk
[14:08] <DomasoFan> Datalink: seems class 4 is most stable. its quite slow on updating but well. what will you expect of a box which just uses 3 watts or so.
[14:09] <evilbetty> miracles hehe
[14:09] <Datalink> DomasoFan, I have yet to really notice, but I'm not doing massive disk IO apps... X is a bit slugish but I don't use it unless I have to (last time was to enable my bluetooth keyboard, then nothing needed GUI save some graphic tests)
[14:09] <Datalink> I'm a console user though, it's more natural to me
[14:10] <evilbetty> u .ust be old ,=
[14:10] <evilbetty> argh
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[14:10] <DomasoFan> Datalink: hm. currently the synth plays nice with a smaller soundfont. wonder if i could stream the result now to my icecast server which runs on a bigger linux box. :-)
[14:10] <evilbetty> my putty keeps jumping to qwerty
[14:10] <Datalink> evilbetty, you might be able to change that...
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[14:11] <evilbetty> its only when i use alt+shift+number to switch windows in irssi
[14:11] <Datalink> DomasoFan, switching some tasks off the pi would be an ideal solution, though transcoding may prove to be a slowdown in that
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[14:11] <Datalink> evilbetty, curious
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[14:12] <evilbetty> ah well i blame this windows image from work :p
[14:12] <DomasoFan> Datalink: i guess it would be enough cause the processer will be still having around 100 mb ram left but i guess it might be getting pretty slow though.
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[14:13] <Datalink> DomasoFan, a bit heavy in top, yeah, should acutally work though... if memory's your big issue right now, though ruins the fun of having a portable midi computer
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[14:13] <Datalink> which is what it sounds like you're doing
[14:13] <oal> Is a red light on PWR, but nothing else an indication that the broad gets too little power?
[14:14] <Datalink> oal, it can be, yeah, what do you have plugged into it?
[14:14] <DomasoFan> Datalink: kind of. guess we need to find out if it works i guess. thats what the pi is for as far as i know. *smile*
[14:14] <oal> An "emergency charger" thing for cell phones
[14:15] <evilbetty> how many Ampere is that ?
[14:15] <oal> not sure. Let me check
[14:15] <evilbetty> most phone chargers are kinda weak i think
[14:15] <oal> Maybe I have to charge the charger first
[14:15] <evilbetty> :o
[14:16] <yaMatt> heheh
[14:16] <Datalink> oal, yeah... I just reolized, you're running the pi off the battery, not the battery off the pi, could probably use a charge
[14:16] <oal> 0.55A, it says
[14:16] <DomasoFan> oalusing a 4 port usb hub over here with a 2.1 amperes power supply. works nice. have a bunch of power until to the top so multiple pis would be possible.
[14:16] <evilbetty> snot enough
[14:16] <evilbetty> rpi expects 700mA i head
[14:16] <evilbetty> read
[14:16] <Datalink> for those unaware... oal's running the pi on a battery pack for charging
[14:17] <Datalink> that charger may be a bit under the power requirements of the pi, yeah
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[14:17] <yaMatt> it can run on 450mA (otherwise you couldn't power it from a computer)
[14:17] <Datalink> yaMatt, oh that's true
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[14:17] <yaMatt> but more power the better and a half dead battery may not give you the charge
[14:17] <evilbetty> anyway i wouldnt know my cheap 1A usb psu and my galaxy tab charger of 2 or 2.5A both work equally well
[14:17] <oal> Hmm, I'll give the charger a full charge first and try again.
[14:18] <oal> I just want to use it to avoid reboots if the power is gone for a few minutes
[14:18] <Datalink> oal, that should help, it might be a bit dead
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[14:18] <yaMatt> yeah, I was having random problems with my usb wifi card, plug in my phone charger suddenly everything is good
[14:18] <Datalink> oal, unreliable power where you are?
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[14:18] <DomasoFan> oalah you are using a battery. thought you where talking about a real charger. *smile*. a battery then.
[14:19] <Datalink> DomasoFan, yeah, he's using a battery pack intended for charging phones as a UPS for his pi
[14:19] <oal> Datalink: not generally, but just in case ;)
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[14:20] <oal> DomasoFan: yeah, I wasn't sure what to call it
[14:20] <evilbetty> and if it comes from dealextreme or so it probably has half the capacity they mention ;)
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[14:21] <DomasoFan> Datalink: ah
[14:21] <Datalink> oal, my first thought was USB phone charger then I realized it was probably a battery pack for charging phones away from power, then reolized it'd be silly to charge one of those on a pi... o.@
[14:21] <Datalink> I also have been up all night...
[14:21] <oal> haha, sorry for the confusion :)
[14:21] <evilbetty> that brings me to another thing i wanted to try
[14:22] <evilbetty> use a powered usb hub both as power for the rpi and as usb hub for the rpi
[14:22] <evilbetty> so only one plug is needed
[14:22] <evilbetty> not sure if hubs limit their power to 500mA tho
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[14:23] <DomasoFan> : evilbetty here it seems to work. no clue how much power the pi actually receives though. anyone knows if this can be checked?
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[14:23] <evilbetty> with a multimeter hehe
[14:24] <evilbetty> make the thing suffer a bit and check current at same time
[14:24] <Datalink> tp1 and tp2, I think tp1 is pwr
[14:25] <evilbetty> hmm
[14:25] <evilbetty> a current meter needs to be put in series
[14:25] <evilbetty> so tp's will probably not work as they don't put the meter inbetween the leads
[14:25] <Hodapp> evilbetty: Hall effect sensors don't :P
[14:25] <evilbetty> well yeh
[14:25] <evilbetty> i have hall effect on my soundcard
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[14:26] <evilbetty> its david woop
[14:26] <evilbetty> 7
[14:26] <David7> Hello evilbetty
[14:26] <evilbetty> hello
[14:27] <David7> Did anyone ever make any recommendations about USB WiFi adapters that they are actually using?
[14:27] <oal> Oh, I misread it. it said 0.55A input, 1A output. :)
[14:28] <David7> I want to buy one, but I want to know what other people's experience is
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[14:28] <bt9> guys anyone have experience of usb pen drives not being detected as such by kernel?
[14:28] <DomasoFan> i have a cheap one laying around but don't know how to deal with the stuff in the console.
[14:29] <Datalink> I was trying to help bt9 in another channel, suggested he ask here, it's not showing up in lsusb but there's a kernel log message for the device
[14:29] <Datalink> I also have to go to school, be back later
[14:29] <David7> adios, Datalink
[14:29] <Datalink> later
[14:30] <bt9> and like magic, it decided to automount when I put it in the other usb port.
[14:31] <bt9> is there a difference in power to either usb port?
[14:31] <Datalink> no, but sometimes things are weird like that in general...
[14:32] <evilbetty> a "dmesg" just after plugging stick in may make u wiser
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[14:32] <David7> get thee to school, Datalink
[14:33] <Datalink> kay
[14:33] <Datalink> evilbetty, he was getting that one...
[14:33] <evilbetty> :o
[14:33] <DomasoFan> Datalink: so happy school or something for you then.
[14:34] <Datalink> it's college... I'm going in early to work on a report :P
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[14:37] <David7> ah, finally found the bit in BSD dd where you can specify bs=1m. jeepers. that would've been useful yesterday
[14:38] <evilbetty> :o
[14:38] <DomasoFan> anyone having experience with liquidsoap? i do but i don't know if it can record directly from alsa so i could record directly from there instead using a usb sound card.
[14:38] <evilbetty> why didnt u just use the very welldocumented bsd mannpages
[14:39] <David7> evilbetty, i read the man page several times last night, but i couldn't see the section about k and m and so on because i was so tired
[14:39] <DomasoFan> thats right sorry. just thought someone has something quick. but will do that as well
[14:39] <evilbetty> right :p
[14:40] <Hodapp> O_O just tested my intarwebs at my Linode at 761 megabits
[14:40] <Caver> :)
[14:41] <evilbetty> not bad
[14:41] <David7> Hodapp, are you sure you didn't just test your buffer speed?
[14:41] <evilbetty> my vps also does gigabit, so why would that be so surprising?
[14:41] <Hodapp> http://pastebin.com/nSa2BLTb
[14:42] <evilbetty> a traceroute to that server would have been interesting
[14:42] <evilbetty> it may just be on same internet exchange
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[14:45] <xranby> odin_: ping, hi how is qt-jambi progressing, have you had any chance to test it on the Pi?
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[15:09] <Peetz0r> evilbetty: I am always om the same internet exchange as the servers I test with
[15:10] <Peetz0r> but hey, I live near Amsterdam, and have FTTH :)
[15:10] <Peetz0r> Yes, there's fiber from the world's largest IX to my house :)
[15:12] <evilbetty> ok
[15:12] <evilbetty> does anyone know if i use lirc_rpi module what /dev/ it'll create
[15:13] <Peetz0r> nope, but won't dmesg mention it whenever you plugin your hardware?
[15:13] <evilbetty> im trying to follow some lirc tutorials but most assume u use /dev/ttySn
[15:13] <Peetz0r> sounds reasonable
[15:13] <Peetz0r> but there's no /dev/tty* device being created at all?
[15:13] <evilbetty> well thats for lirc_serial
[15:14] <Peetz0r> ah, I see
[15:14] <evilbetty> lirc_rpi uses gpio pins of rpi
[15:14] <Peetz0r> ok :)
[15:14] <evilbetty> but ur tight
[15:14] <evilbetty> right
[15:14] <evilbetty> i just just check dmesg after loading the modules
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[15:15] <evilbetty> its /dev/lirc0 :p
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[15:16] <Peetz0r> ok :)
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[15:17] <evilbetty> im not sure if i need to load specific modules for rc5 and sony etc
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[15:17] <evilbetty> or if thats to make a /dev/input/sometging device
[15:17] <evilbetty> i think lircd takes care of the signals one recorded first with irrecord
[15:18] <evilbetty> problem is that i dont have the IR receiver hardware yet lol
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[15:58] <DomasoFan> so. back. anyone knows if the pi also has some onboard sensors and how to get info from those on the console? those
[15:59] <Draylor> only if you add them
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[16:00] <[SLB]> there's a temperature sensor onboard
[16:00] <[SLB]> if you have an updated kernel you can access to it by /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_temp
[16:01] <evilbetty> i wonder how accurate it is tho
[16:01] <evilbetty> doesnt show many variations here
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[16:04] <DomasoFan> thx. that works here. around 50.8 c.
[16:04] <Peetz0r> 50.8? wow
[16:04] <Peetz0r> mine is at 41.2
[16:04] <evilbetty> 35.2 here
[16:04] <evilbetty> but i just rebooted
[16:04] <evilbetty> and the windows are open in the room where its placed :p
[16:05] <DomasoFan> wow. mine is in a case. maybe thats why its so warm.
[16:05] <evilbetty> probably
[16:05] <Peetz0r> I run raspbmc, so I have constant cpu usage. also, my Pi is in the hottest room of the house
[16:05] <Peetz0r> DomasoFan: definately
[16:05] <Peetz0r> but 50 degrees is still no problem
[16:05] <evilbetty> yesterdau when i turned on the heating my rpi froze tho with a bit of overclocking enabled
[16:06] <Peetz0r> I used to ahve a Pentium 4 which was 60 C dile, 80 C under load
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[16:06] <Peetz0r> as ong as yopu don't touch 80C, there should be no problems
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[16:07] <evilbetty> didnt they put rpi in an oven up to 180??
[16:07] <Peetz0r> the temperature doesn't influence the performance, so as long as it's safe (below 80), you should have no problems with overclocking or anything
[16:07] <DomasoFan> maybe the ModMyPi cases are much more isolated.
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[16:08] <Peetz0r> I don't have a case
[16:08] <evilbetty> im not sure what happened tho it always happened when running an apt-get update or install in the Reading package lists... 16% part
[16:08] <evilbetty> it froze the sdcard i think
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[16:08] <evilbetty> since i could still ssh to rpi,but all commands froze
[16:08] <evilbetty> and activity led was steady on
[16:09] <Peetz0r> yeah, that sounds like a broken SD card
[16:09] <evilbetty> its a new sdcard :/
[16:09] <Peetz0r> reading stuff in apt-get uses I/O a lot
[16:09] <evilbetty> and it works fine all the other times
[16:09] <Peetz0r> new sdcards aren't any better than old ones
[16:09] <evilbetty> when i dropped to 700Mhz it stopped happening too, and now it works fine on 900Mhz too, so maybe it was really the heat in my room
[16:10] <evilbetty> it actually only happened after i overclocked to 1Ghz
[16:10] <evilbetty> but kept happening on 900 etc too until i went back to 700Mhz
[16:10] <evilbetty> then it stopped happening
[16:11] <evilbetty> anyway i run back on 900Mhz today and it didnt happen yet, so maybe i shouldt go to 1Ghz anymore:p
[16:11] <bircoe> There is a known issue with overclocking and currupt SD Card data...
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[16:12] <evilbetty> oh i see
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[16:13] <bircoe> SD Cards work on a clocked bus just like all computer IO busses, by overclocking the CPU you are also overclocking the SD card, some cards are specced to higher frequencies than others and can take it without issue...
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[16:16] <evilbetty> that mau be it
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[16:16] <evilbetty> up to 900Mhz the clockspeed is quite gentle, but above 900 it suddenly goes from 250 or 300 to 450 or 500
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[16:16] <evilbetty> and i noticed the speed gain between 900 950 and 1Ghz is minimal
[16:16] <evilbetty> from 700 to 900 is qtill quite a good speed gain
[16:16] <evilbetty> so ill just stick to 900
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[16:24] <DomasoFan> ok. i will go away now for a while. thanks all for helping me over here.
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[16:25] <evilbetty> have fun doing real life stuff:p
[16:26] <DomasoFan> evilbetty: well i might do half real stuff. *lol*
[16:26] <evilbetty> haha
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[16:26] <evilbetty> why do i think ur gonna watch websites with naked women? :p
[16:27] <DomasoFan> evilbetty: i even can't see anything on the screen.
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[16:32] <DomasoFan> evilbetty: my nick consists of the following: i am a fan of a village in italy called domaso.
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[16:42] <datagutt> finally got my raspberry pi, so i can run the bot on it
[16:42] <datagutt> :P
[16:42] <DomasoFan> datagutt: congratulations. hope you will enjoy it.
[16:42] <datagutt> hint: i say i am going to run raspberrypibot on it, it will end up as a media ccenter
[16:42] <datagutt> xD
[16:42] <datagutt> maybe i can run a bot on my media center?
[16:43] <evilbetty> :o
[16:43] <evilbetty> am i the only one who is not interested at all to use a rpi for a mediacenter
[16:43] <datagutt> evilbetty: i might end up making a arcade machine??? then using it as the pc inside
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[16:43] <evilbetty> but thats probably because my tv has its own ARM that plays media even better than my pc
[16:44] <FR^2> evilbetty: I haven't tried xmbc on raspi yet ;)
[16:44] <datagutt> i mean, i can't play very new games tho, but retro stuff ftq
[16:44] <datagutt> ftw*
[16:44] <evilbetty> nes games worked fine
[16:44] <evilbetty> but snes games slow down the audio here
[16:44] <datagutt> i heard psx is working? But not very fast i guess
[16:44] <evilbetty> the gameplay stays fluent i guess thats because tghat has priority over audio
[16:44] <datagutt> 5fps?
[16:44] <datagutt> :)
[16:44] <datagutt> snes is just an issue of tweaking i guess
[16:45] <datagutt> updating drivers and such
[16:45] <datagutt> not hardware fault
[16:45] <datagutt> will end up getting fixed in time
[16:45] <evilbetty> maybe
[16:45] <evilbetty> gets better when using 32000 sampling rate
[16:45] <evilbetty> but not completely solved
[16:46] <evilbetty> atari2600 works fine ;)
[16:46] <evilbetty> those 12 pixels dont slow down anything ;)
[16:46] <datagutt> well then it is the issue of actually building the machine
[16:47] <datagutt> maybe i will make an tabletop arcade machine
[16:47] <datagutt> because im lazy
[16:47] <datagutt> :P
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[16:47] <evilbetty> and i didnt do efford to make gamepads work on retropie
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[16:48] <datagutt> xbox 360 gamepads work? drivers for windows.. so i guess linux drivers as well
[16:48] <datagutt> osx does not have it working (yes, i use osx??? ):P
[16:49] <DomasoFan> so people. i am now really off for a while. see you later.
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[16:50] <evilbetty> i have a wireless rumblepad
[16:50] <evilbetty> works fine out of the box
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[16:50] <evilbetty> but retropie just wants me to edit config file thats why it doesnt work with the emulator yet
[16:50] <evilbetty> works fine in emulationstation tho
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[17:05] <David7> ok, i ordered usb wifi adapters and usb audio adapters. on tuesday, i will be able to do something interesting with the pi
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[17:06] <David7> evilbetty, i'm not sure a pi will be fast enough to be a media center
[17:06] <David7> evilbetty, has anyone else used the pi for a media center?
[17:06] <evilbetty> i'd get a mk802 or so for a cheap mediacenter
[17:06] <evilbetty> plenty of ppl i guess
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[17:07] <ReggieUK> loads of people have used the pi for a media centre
[17:07] <ReggieUK> google rasbmc or Xbian
[17:07] <evilbetty> may be interesting for h264
[17:07] <evilbetty> but besides that i doubt it
[17:07] <David7> oh. what do they use to accelerate the video?
[17:07] <evilbetty> i dont know like i said im not interested in using rpi for mediacenter
[17:07] <evilbetty> my tv also plays 1080p h264
[17:08] <ReggieUK> h264 hardware codec, mpg2 hardware codec, wvc1 hardware codec
[17:08] <David7> oh man, this is really awesome: https://www.adafruit.com/products/914
[17:09] <ReggieUK> it's not
[17:09] <evilbetty> yes but you gotta pay for those others right
[17:09] <ReggieUK> evilbetty, yes, just like you do on every other device that has hardware codecs onboard
[17:09] <evilbetty> at least its cheaper than that 130 dollar experiment kit that contained the same
[17:09] <ReggieUK> they decided not to include all of the codecs to keep the price down
[17:09] <evilbetty> ah well
[17:10] <evilbetty> not interested in those anyway ;)
[17:10] <ReggieUK> is ??3.60 too much?
[17:10] <evilbetty> i guess if u dont need it yes
[17:11] <evilbetty> i have my own challenge
[17:11] <ReggieUK> the h264 codec is included in the price of the pi btw.
[17:11] <ReggieUK> so if you only need that, then you've already got it
[17:11] <evilbetty> getting a tsop1838 to work :p
[17:11] <David7> i have to pay to use the codecs? is that what the licensing stuff on raspberrypi.org was about?
[17:12] <ReggieUK> no, you have to pay to use the EXTRA codecs that weren't included (mpg2, wvc1)
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[17:33] <David7> so what uses the mpeg-2 codec? i don't normally do much on the video end of things
[17:33] <tripgod> dvds
[17:33] <David7> oh. so if i connect a dvd player to my pi i would use the mpeg-2 codec?
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[17:34] <David7> or can i play dvd isos using the mpeg-2 codec?
[17:34] <tripgod> You'd need to decode the DVD with libdvdcss2
[17:35] <tripgod> then you could mount the dvd iso
[17:35] <evilbetty> i have a tv card somewhere with mpeg2 encoders on it
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[17:42] <David7> tripgod, but i would need the mpeg-2 codec to play it? i guess the mplayer folks haven't ported the codecs to arm?
[17:42] <David7> tripgod, or is the mpeg-2 codec a hardware codec?
[17:44] <tripgod> David7, ffmpeg has an mpeg2 codec
[17:45] <David7> tripgod, so i'm completely confused why i have to pay for a license for something freely available
[17:45] <tripgod> libdvdcss is not legal in every country
[17:49] <David7> tripgod, Got it. But the mpeg-2 license doesn't cover libdvdcss, right?
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[17:52] <tripgod> David7, I don't know what an mpeg2 license all covers.
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[17:52] <Peetz0r> My iptv streams are mpeg2
[17:53] <Peetz0r> so I can use my Pi as a replacement settopbox, and that uses mpeg2
[17:55] <midnightyell> there is no fee to use libdvdcss
[17:55] <midnightyell> since the MPAA, etc. don't own it
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[17:56] <Peetz0r> midnightyell: yeah, but that's only for reading the disc, not for decoding the mpeg2
[17:56] <Peetz0r> decoding mpeg2 can't be done in software (the cpu in the Pi won't be powerful enough), so we need to do that in hardware
[17:56] <Peetz0r> which is owned by Broadcom in this case
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[17:57] <tripgod> in order to burn a dvd, you have to decode it
[17:57] <midnightyell> Right; if you want to play back the movie on the Pi, you'll need to license the codec for the GPU
[17:57] <Peetz0r> nope
[17:57] <Peetz0r> in order to burn a dvd (without playing it), ypu just need an mpeg2 source
[17:57] <evilbetty> meh
[17:57] <Peetz0r> which could be an encoder, but not a decoder
[17:57] <Peetz0r> ...if someone could implement mpeg2 in shaders (GLSL), would that mean that we can have hardware-accelerated mpeg2 without a license?
[18:00] <midnightyell> *shrug* Personally, while I think it's cool that the Pi can do video, I'm not sure it's the best choice for it
[18:00] <tripgod> but it's $35
[18:01] <tripgod> and small
[18:01] <Peetz0r> it's the best choice if you look at the price
[18:01] <Peetz0r> the settopbox which our ISP uses is like ???100, while the Pi is 1/3 of that
[18:03] <midnightyell> if someone were to productize it - hide all the detail from me, then maybe. But as far as playing video on a general-purpose computer goes, there's too many hoops to jump through
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[18:04] <midnightyell> that said, I wonder if you could use vlc on a desktop to stream video to the Pi
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[18:08] <David7> Peetz0r, ok, so that is the part i was missing is that there is an HARDWARE codec in the Pi SoC
[18:09] <David7> OK, so next question, are Raspbmc and Xbian the only distros that support the hardware codecs on the Pi?
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[18:11] <Matt> I think so long as you can get omxplayer working, you should be good
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[18:12] <Lexip> Omxplayer, is that the one installed on rasbian by default?
[18:12] <David7> ah, lemme turn on my Pi so I can SSH into it and have a look see
[18:13] <geordie> Lexip: i think it is
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[18:13] <Lexip> I always forget the name of it!
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[18:14] <geordie> i tried to install it last night but it was already there
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[18:19] <David7> Yep, omxplayer is pre-installed on the latest image
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[18:19] <Lexip> Only ever played one video file on my Rpi, hard to remember the command doh :)
[18:20] <Lexip> Making an application to automatically do it for me now though!
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[18:22] <Lexip> Is there a "nice" way of interacting with omxplayer?
[18:22] <Lexip> You see I was considering just sending keystrokes, but that seems kinda hackish...
[18:22] <Lexip> For controlling it, play/pause/volume etc
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[18:30] <Lexip> Guess that'll have to do! Have a good weekend everyone! Lex - out!
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[18:54] <Chillance> anyone here got mongodb binary? I been following this, but it fails http://elsmorian.com/search/mongodb
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[18:54] <Chillance> gcc -o build/linux2/normal/third_party/pcre-8.30/pcre_exec.o -c -fPIC -fno-strict-aliasing -Wstrict-aliasing -ggdb -pthread -Wall -Wsign-compare -Wno-unknown-pragmas -Wcast-align -Winvalid-pch -O3 -DBOOST_ALL_NO_LIB -D_SCONS -DMONGO_EXPOSE_MACROS -DSUPPORT_UTF8 -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DJS_C_STRINGS_ARE_UTF8 -DMONGO_HAVE_HEADER_UNISTD_H -DMONGO_HAVE_EXECINFO_BACKTRACE -DHAVE_SYNC_FETCH_AND_ADD -DALIGNMENT_IMPORTANT -DHAVE_BSWAP32 -DHAVE_BSWAP64 -
[18:54] <Chillance> DHAVE_CONFIG_H -Ibuild/linux2/normal/third_party/boost -Isrc/third_party/boost -Ibuild/linux2/normal/third_party/pcre-8.30 -Isrc/third_party/pcre-8.30 -Ibuild/linux2/normal -Isrc -Ibuild/linux2/normal/mongo -Isrc/mongo src/third_party/pcre-8.30/pcre_exec.c
[18:54] <Chillance> gcc: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1)
[18:55] <Chillance> and I maximised the memory
[18:55] <Chillance> 240
[18:55] <David7> Chillance, whoa, use pastebin
[18:55] <Chillance> yea, sorry about that
[18:56] <David7> Chillance, Ugh, the dreaded "gcc: internal compiler error"
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[18:57] <Chillance> yea, thought I could fix it with increasing memory
[18:57] <Chillance> but doesnt help
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[18:58] <Chillance> David7, any other suggestions?
[18:58] <David7> Chillance, You may need a new gcc
[18:59] <David7> Chillance, your other option is to cross build it
[18:59] <David7> Chillance, What OS are you using?
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[19:00] <Chillance> Ubuntu 12.04
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[19:00] <Chillance> gcc --version on the pi says: gcc (Debian 4.6.3-8+rpi1) 4.6.3
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[19:00] <David7> Are you using raspbian on the Pi?
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[19:01] <Chillance> Raspbian ?wheezy? yes
[19:02] <Chillance> downloaded it yesterday
[19:02] <David7> Chillance, If you have an Ubuntu 12.04 machine, you can setup a QEMU cross chroot and build it in there. If it is a memory problem, you'll have all of the RAM of your Ubuntu machine.
[19:03] <David7> Chillance, Here are the files for a presentation I gave on how to create a QEMU cross chroot for Raspberry Pi: http://www.kerneldriver.org/docs/uclug/2012-10-09/
[19:03] <Chillance> I suppose...
[19:03] <Chillance> oh, cool
[19:06] <David7> Chillance, I left out a step in the presentation. You will need to run scripts/qemu-binfmt-conf.sh to create the correct entries in /proc
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[19:08] <Chillance> David7, you don't happen to have a video of it? :)
[19:09] <David7> The video of the presentation doesn't provide more info. It is a really bad video.
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[19:10] <David7> Chillance, The really important thing is the jump-into-hyperspace script in the qemu-scripts.tar.bz2 tarball. It shows you how to do the chroot correctly.
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[19:10] <David7> Chillance, If you build and install QEMU by following the instructions in the presentation and then run scripts/qemu-binfmt-conf.sh, you'll be good to go
[19:11] <David7> Chillance, Oh, you'll need to create a root file system directory from your SD card
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[19:13] <ReggieUK> David7, could they also just extract a rootfs from, for instance, the wheezy .img ?
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[19:13] <David7> ReggieUK, Yes, but it won't have the locale set and other things that get done during first boot
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[19:14] <ReggieUK> agreed :)
[19:14] <midnightyell> you can also approximate a decent /proc by mounting the host system's /proc insiude the chroot hole
[19:14] <midnightyell> you can also cross-compile : http://midnightyell.wordpress.com/
[19:16] <David7> midnightyell, My script does all of the virtual file system mounting necessary for the cross chroot
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[19:16] <midnightyell> David7: I'm sure it does, but using qemu to build is still a lot slower than cross-compiling
[19:17] <midnightyell> http://midnightyell.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/ltib-for-raspberry-pi/
[19:17] <midnightyell> That's the first article
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[19:19] <David7> wait, midnightyell, you cross built the entire root file system in under 10 minutes? How many gigs of RAM do you have?
[19:19] <midnightyell> 6
[19:19] <ReggieUK> :D
[19:20] <rymate1234> hmmm
[19:20] <midnightyell> and understand that it's a *minimal* rootfs
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[19:20] <rymate1234> how would I backup my Pi's SD card on windows
[19:20] <rymate1234> i.e. how to make a disk image of it
[19:20] <ReggieUK> once the rootfs is built with this type of thing, it's fairly inconsequential to it's usage isn't it?
[19:20] <midnightyell> cygwin has a copy of dd
[19:20] <ReggieUK> it's not like you have to recompile the whole rootfs again each time
[19:21] <midnightyell> ltib caches RPMs so that you don't need to rebuild everything every time; yes.
[19:21] <David7> rymate1234, Can you install Linux in Virtual Box?
[19:21] <rymate1234> sure
[19:21] <rymate1234> In fact
[19:21] <rymate1234> I have
[19:22] <midnightyell> I've had trouble with USB devices inside virtual box
[19:22] <rymate1234> well
[19:22] <David7> rymate1234, Connect your card reader to the VM and use dd in the VM
[19:22] <midnightyell> not always, but enough to make me reluctant to recommend that path
[19:22] <rymate1234> my card reader is built into my laptop
[19:22] <AC`97> my computer is built into my card reader.
[19:22] <AC`97> or uh.. i did it.
[19:22] <David7> rymate1234, Most likely, your card reader is a USB device
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[19:23] <David7> rymate1234, So you can still connect it to your VM
[19:23] <midnightyell> my card reader has a telepathic interface; it tells me what's on it, and I have to type it into an editor
[19:24] <rymate1234> right
[19:24] <rymate1234> How do I dd
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[19:24] <rymate1234> do I just if=/dev/sdb
[19:24] <rymate1234> and of=myimg.img
[19:24] <David7> midnightyell, Even though a cross chroot is slower than a cross build it is usually better for building things that have a lot of library dependencies, which I'm guessing is true of mongodb
[19:25] <midnightyell> it is easier, yes
[19:25] <midnightyell> the emu build
[19:25] <midnightyell> though ltib has a large number of libs ready to build
[19:25] <David7> rymate1234, I recommend mounting the SD card and creating a tarball of the root file system. It's faster and saves a lot of space.
[19:26] <rymate1234> its only 4GB
[19:26] <Datalink> okay, I'm starting to feel like an idiot, I have a wifi module, and a wifi AP with a space in it, I have to configure my pi from serial to use this AP, so X11 is not an option
[19:27] <Datalink> then again I always seem to have commandline wifi problems
[19:27] <David7> rymate1234, I use this script: http://pastebin.com/GpqC5mMB
[19:28] <David7> Datalink, Can you use wicd? I hear it is easy to use.
[19:28] <rymate1234> hmmm
[19:28] <rymate1234> I prefer dd
[19:28] <Datalink> it's already running
[19:28] <rymate1234> I think dd is the right option if I'm gonna be installing a different OS onto it
[19:28] <rymate1234> XD
[19:29] <David7> Datalink, Sorry, I used to use spa-supplicant and I used to be good with its configuration files.
[19:29] <Datalink> yeah daemon's running, I have no clue what tod o with that
[19:29] <Datalink> this is an open AP
[19:29] <Datalink> I don't need to auth with any keys, just need to tell it "hey connect to the school wifi"
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[19:29] <David7> Datalink, Can't you do what with iwconfig?
[19:30] <Datalink> David7, it doesn't seem to take
[19:30] <midnightyell> David7: cross-compiling with LTIB has a few advantages. I can easily try different build options or compilers. I end up with an RPM rather than a source dir full of binaries. I can generally get a cross-compiling .spec file working in less time than QEMU can build a largish package. *shrug*
[19:30] <David7> Datalink, You will probably have to kill wicd.
[19:30] <midnightyell> plus, if RPi ever comes out with a different core, I'm ready :)
[19:30] <Peetz0r> David7: yeah, there's hardware mpeg2 everywhere
[19:30] <Peetz0r> software mpeg2 is too heavy for even most desktop machines
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[19:31] <Peetz0r> bottom line: noone does video decoding is software
[19:31] <Peetz0r> in*
[19:32] <Datalink> iwconfig wlan0 essid "MATC wireless"
[19:32] <Datalink> is that correct?
[19:32] <David7> Datalink, Looks good. Make sure mode is managed.
[19:32] <David7> Datalink, You'll have to run dhclient manually
[19:33] <Datalink> AP still shows as not-associated
[19:33] <David7> Datalink, Don't forget to run "ifconfig wlan0 up" or the equivalent
[19:34] <David7> Datalink, It won't associate if it's not UP
[19:34] <Datalink> it's been up... still not seeing the school's AP
[19:35] <Datalink> unless I commindeer a monitor, I'm kinda SOL as I'm having to use mmy arduino as a serial terminal x.x
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[19:37] <David7> Datalink, I'm still waiting for my USB WiFi adapters, so I don't have a way to troubleshoot your problem locally
[19:37] <Datalink> I could take over a monitor, I brought my bluetooth keyboard, and a HDMI to DVI cable
[19:37] <Datalink> David7, ah, thanks for helping at least
[19:37] <Peetz0r> My usb wifi adapter is working fine
[19:37] <David7> Peetz0r, What model do you have?
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[19:38] <Peetz0r> rtl8192cu
[19:38] <Datalink> ffs, I thought I saw a second copy of xchat
[19:38] <Peetz0r> if yours is of the micro type, then you have the same one
[19:38] <Peetz0r> there's really only one, but it's known under 100's of different brands
[19:38] <David7> Peetz0r, Yeah, I just ordered a couple of Netgear adapters that will use that driver
[19:38] <Peetz0r> micro?
[19:39] <David7> Yes.
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[19:39] <Peetz0r> clearly :)
[19:39] <Datalink> RTL8188CUS
[19:39] <Peetz0r> every micro-sized usb wifi adapter in the world is that one
[19:39] <Datalink> realtek must have a patent on small wifi or something
[19:39] <Peetz0r> nope, but they're just damn good at it
[19:39] <Datalink> may I spam my if and iwconfig?
[19:40] <Peetz0r> Datalink: pastebin
[19:40] <Datalink> kk
[19:40] <Datalink> I should know better
[19:40] <David7> I ordered two of these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004VDR37K/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i01
[19:40] <Datalink> oh right, firefox is locking up because I'm on google docs... sigh
[19:40] <Peetz0r> I have the pci-e version of the same chip in my laptop for over a year now, works perfectly, never drops, decent speeds (80MBit/s)
[19:40] <David7> sheep dip, Datalink, you're having all the good luck
[19:41] <Datalink> David7, story fo my life, got my assignment in on the (revised) due date though
[19:41] <Datalink> so some good stuff today
[19:42] <David7> Datalink, good job!
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[19:42] * Datalink kills the other xchat... hunts for more stuff to improve performance...
[19:43] <David7> I also ordered two of these so I can use headsets with microphones to do some VOIP stuff: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036VO4XO/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
[19:43] <Datalink> http://pastebin.com/8mF0t4C8
[19:44] <David7> Datalink, What happens if you run "dhclient wlan0"?
[19:44] <Datalink> running...
[19:45] <Datalink> one nice thing about using the arduino as a serial console, I just need to wait for the flashy to know when I've gotten a response...
[19:45] <David7> Datalink, Oh, why didn't you change the essid? Did you forget sudo?
[19:45] <Datalink> looks to be timing out though...
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[19:45] <Datalink> I ran as root...
[19:45] <Datalink> it's just not taking
[19:45] <David7> Yeah, but look at your SSID
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[19:45] <David7> It's not taking?
[19:46] <Datalink> iwconfig wlan0 essid "MATC wireless"
[19:46] <Datalink> no change in iwconfig
[19:46] <David7> Datalink, Can you put the output of "ps aux" in a pastebin?
[19:47] <Datalink> serial console, it's getting cut off where the console thinks it's out of bounds >.<
[19:48] <David7> Datalink, Can't you use a serial console with a scroll bar? Like gtkterm?
[19:49] <David7> Datalink, If you're using minicom, you can log the output to a file
[19:49] <Datalink> the text gets cut off, and takes up less than half the width of the putty window, this isn't a case of 'my serial client can't see it' it's a case of ps aux not sending it because the Pi thinks my console's 80 column
[19:50] <Datalink> oh hey that worked
[19:50] <AC`97> indeed.
[19:50] <Datalink> a couple stray dhclients
[19:50] <David7> Datalink, Oh, you're using Putty. Got it.
[19:50] <AC`97> call animal control
[19:51] <David7> Datalink, You should also be able to log Putty output to a file if necessary
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[19:51] <Datalink> it took when I sent it to a file then catted the file
[19:51] <David7> Datalink, You can also try to lie about the terminal size using stty rows R columns C
[19:51] <AC`97> D: don't lie! it's evil
[19:52] <David7> Datalink, and then there's always file redirection...
[19:52] <Datalink> yeah, to what, I have no other interface to this Pi :P
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[19:52] <David7> Datalink, You just did it, right? # ps aux > file.txt ?
[19:52] <Datalink> yeah
[19:52] <David7> Well done
[19:52] <Datalink> I still haven't slept
[19:53] <David7> D'oh!
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[19:53] <David7> I still haven't had lunch, so I don't even feel close to the pain you're in
[19:53] <Datalink> http://pastebin.com/QzPaNDqS
[19:53] <Datalink> ehe, could be worse, I'm not smelling toast yet
[19:54] <David7> Datalink, OK, you're running wpa_supplicant
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[19:54] <David7> Datalink, That's getting in the way of your command line stuff
[19:55] <Datalink> joy, how do I kill that... it's not a service
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[19:55] <David7> Datalink, If you're running that as a service, you'll want to stop the service
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[19:55] <David7> Datalink, You can kill it using the PID
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[19:55] <Datalink> again, no sleep... I feel like a noob now
[19:55] <David7> pgrep -l -f wpa
[19:56] <David7> kill -9 <pid>
[19:56] <Datalink> oh wow... pgrep is awesome...
[19:56] <Datalink> yes, I'm that tired...
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[19:57] <Datalink> I HAVE AN IP!
[19:57] <Datalink> still can't ping google yet...
[19:57] <[SLB]> default gateway or dns
[19:58] <David7> Datalink, You'll have to set a default route if you didn't get one via dhclient
[19:59] <Datalink> I love doITs...
[19:59] <Datalink> Madison College doITs... if there's any reason to hate an academic IT they've probably done it
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[19:59] <Datalink> or usually not done it
[20:00] <Datalink> okay, that's odd, I can't SSH into the IP... hm
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[20:01] <Datalink> okay how do I set default route?
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[20:02] <[SLB]> try to ping 173.194.69.102 first
[20:02] * Datalink tries killing the exess dhclients and refreshing...
[20:02] <[SLB]> does it work?
[20:02] <Datalink> hang on, dhclient
[20:02] <David7> Datalink, # route add default gw <address>
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[20:03] <David7> Datalink, Or use dhclient to do it for you? ;)
[20:03] <Datalink> it is a delicate hammer swing
[20:03] <Vegar> mmc0: missed completion of cmd 18 DMA (512/512 [1]/[1]) - ignoring it
[20:03] <[SLB]> well, if it pings already, the route is correct already and it is a dns configuration issue
[20:03] <Vegar> what does that message mean?
[20:04] <David7> Vegar, It means a DMA operation using the SDIO interface failed
[20:05] <Vegar> ok, and what does that imply?
[20:05] <Vegar> (this is during boot)
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[20:05] <Vegar> the message is followed by "mmc0: DMA IRQ 6 ignored - results were reset"
[20:06] <David7> Vegar, It could be a hardware or software problem
[20:06] <Vegar> how do I proceed to debug it?
[20:06] <David7> Vegar, You can try the SD card in another device. You can try another SD card in the Pi.
[20:07] <bertrik> check if you're using a recent kernel
[20:07] <Vegar> 3.2.27+ #160 PREEMPT
[20:07] <David7> I'm betting Datalink is having fun surfing the weeb right now
[20:07] <David7> OK, lunch
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[20:08] <David7> I guess this channel kicks you if you're idle?
[20:08] <Vegar> it boots and appears to work fine, it's just that message that's bothering me
[20:08] <bertrik> not that I know
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[20:09] <Datalink> ATM only gives tens, change machine only breaks 5s... schools suck.
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[20:10] <Datalink> I'm half asleep, trying to buy their overpriced vending machine stuff and failing...
[20:11] <Datalink> David7,
[20:11] <Datalink> erm David7 IRC doesn't normally kick if you're idle unless it's for specific reasons (network timeouts typically) that was a flood kick
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[20:14] <AC`97> ping timeout? XD
[20:14] <Datalink> woo, lab monitor's gone *plugs in to school monitor*
[20:14] <Datalink> that happens with IRC
[20:15] <plugwash> Is the owner of 178.63.18.212 (rdns hostname major.na.nu) arround?
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[20:19] <TomSlominski> Hi. I'm trying to install cherokee, but theres only the armel version in the repo, so it 'has no installation candidate'. Tried to install armel manully but that won't work.
[20:20] <Datalink> I... so cheated...
[20:20] <Datalink> unplugged a monitor from the school systems, plugged my pi in, ran startx then wpa_gui
[20:20] <Datalink> I will have to make sure I don't need to go through this process in the future
[20:22] <Datalink> now, I need a way to find the pi on the school wifi withotu having to have it wired into frankenstein
[20:23] <plugwash> TomSlominski, it was kicked out of debian for being unmaintained
[20:23] <TomSlominski> plugwash, oh, thanks.
[20:23] <Datalink> dead projects happen, sadly
[20:23] <TomSlominski> plugwash, I guess I'll just invest in good ol' Apache. or maybe nginx
[20:24] <Datalink> I'm running apache on my pi... you can actually do a lot to tune apache and make it run alright
[20:24] <plugwash> apache probablly isn't the best of choices, IIRC it's one of the heavier web servers out there
[20:24] <plugwash> nginx is probablly a good choice
[20:24] <Datalink> true, apache's sorta... well... fat
[20:25] * simula agrees
[20:25] <Datalink> apache works for me because I can dance around the config files with a hatchet and fix my own damage, nginx I don't know enough to do that with
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[20:26] <Datalink> but I've done server admin for companies... so... you get crazy edge case awesome like that
[20:26] <Datalink> emphasis on edge case, and crazy...
[20:26] * plugwash has ony run nginx on one system so-far
[20:26] <Datalink> I need to play with it eventually
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[20:28] <David7> Datalink, You can have two IP addresses on the same Ethernet adapter under Linux
[20:29] <Datalink> David7, yeah, but I have to make sure this stays legal to the service provider... in this case... the school
[20:30] <Datalink> I'll have to wait till a lull in class use to take my pi off the monitor
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[20:30] <David7> Datalink, I was just thinking you could use that to put a static IP on the Pi so you could bootstrap yourself onto it over the network
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[20:34] <Matt> Datalink: you want crazy edge cases?
[20:35] <Matt> I just had a fun one - end result was iptables conntrack rules and multiple routing tables
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[20:36] <David7> I've been using lighttpd for local Ubuntu repos
[20:36] <David7> ?and now local Debian repos
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[20:39] <axion> try nginx, faster without theh memory leaks
[20:39] <dragon> nginx? Try node-http-proxy.
[20:39] <axion> nginx is a high-performance web server
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[20:40] <axion> in use by a lot of web 2.0 sites
[20:41] <[SLB]> lighter than lighttpd?
[20:41] <axion> yes
[20:41] <David7> Here's what's funny: "is a high performance web server" used to be used with Apache when it came out
[20:42] <Matt> what happened to khttpd?
[20:43] <David7> I think it is more accurate to say that nginx uses less memory to serve each connection than Apache so it can handle more simultaneous connections
[20:43] <axion> http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Lighttpd_vs_nginx
[20:43] <AC`97> indeed.
[20:43] <AC`97> nginx's output buffering can't be abused as much as Apache's though
[20:43] <AC`97> so sad :|
[20:43] <axion> this is rather old but still relevant
[20:43] <Matt> but what about khttpd :)
[20:44] <AC`97> curl -N 838879896
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[20:45] <plugwash> axion, that page seems a bit out of date though
[20:46] <plugwash> at least nginx seems to support ipv6 fine for me
[20:46] <axion> lighttpd increased in memory over time about a year ago when i tried.
[20:46] <AC`97> indeed
[20:46] <axion> actually, i use hunchentoot, for a high-performance server, but that's a whole different topic
[20:47] <David7> Looks like it's a toss up between nginx and lighttpd
[20:47] <AC`97> can lighttpd's output buffering be abused? :D
[20:47] <David7> I'm glad that people are at least developing alternatives to Apache. I think web server design stagnated for a long time because of Apache
[20:48] <David7> AC`97, I was speaking holistically
[20:48] <AC`97> what is a holistically
[20:48] <AC`97> is that holy? O.o
[20:48] <David7> AC`97, can you guarantee that there are no exploits that will work against nginx?
[20:48] <AC`97> no clue.
[20:49] <David7> AC`97, I mean I was looking at the whole picture
[20:49] <AC`97> there's no pictures here...
[20:49] <AC`97> i wanna see! give it to meee~
[20:50] <David7> AC`97, Look at 2 in http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/holistic
[20:50] <AC`97> ... that's doesn't look like a picture
[20:50] <David7> Ugh. A troll
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[20:50] <AC`97> :P
[20:50] <AC`97> took you long enough
[20:50] <Tachyon`> Anyone know what result 44 and no video means from omxplayer? (it's an HD .mp4 - player says it's omx-h264 profile 77)
[20:50] <axion> this page is invaluable for nginx security
[20:50] <axion> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-unix-bsd-nginx-webserver-security.html
[20:50] <David7> Get thee under thy bridge
[20:50] * AC`97 gets under a bridge
[20:51] * David7 puts up a "No Billy Goats Crossing" sign
[20:51] <David7> Now he'll starve to death
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[20:51] <AC`97> :|
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[20:52] <Tachyon`> make it a billy gates crossing instead, kill two birds with one stone -.o
[20:53] <Datalink> I wouldn't know, I can never get OMX to work
[20:53] <Datalink> I'm gonna make a new SD card soon and try again
[20:57] <Tachyon`> ahh
[20:57] <TomSlominski> this is gonna sound cray, but where do you put the files for nginx to read? ive never used anything apart from apache2 and cherokee
[20:57] <Tachyon`> it works but it needs a 192/64 split to play HD stuff it appears
[20:57] <Tachyon`> although 224/32 worked fine for sd divx stuff
[20:57] <Tachyon`> it's just this one file and it plays on everything else
[20:58] <Datalink> maybe I should try with a bigger video split
[20:58] <Datalink> I will later
[20:58] <Tachyon`> what's yours set to atm?
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[20:58] <rikkib> www-data files go in /var/www or a sub directory of
[20:58] <Datalink> 240/16 probably where my problems lie
[20:58] <AC`97> TomSlominski: archlinux ??
[20:58] <Tachyon`> do gyou get audio with no vide?
[20:58] <Tachyon`> if so it's probably that
[20:58] <Datalink> I get nothing
[20:58] <Tachyon`> oh, how odd
[20:59] <Datalink> yeah, I'm gonna try with another SD later
[20:59] <Tachyon`> are you using HDMI?
[20:59] <Datalink> yeah
[20:59] <Tachyon`> you need to pass -o hdmi to it before the filename then
[20:59] <Datalink> I've been doing htat
[20:59] <Tachyon`> or it'll output it to the 3.5mm stereo audio
[20:59] <Datalink> that*
[20:59] <Tachyon`> ahh
[20:59] <Tachyon`> hrm, you should have had at least audio then
[20:59] <Tachyon`> what I want to know is how to tell it to use a large buffer
[20:59] <Tachyon`> so it'll work over wifi, lol
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[21:00] * AC`97 blips
[21:00] * IT_Sean bleeps
[21:00] <AC`97> Tachyon`: curl + fifo ??
[21:02] * AC`97 derps
[21:02] * IT_Sean herps
[21:02] * AC`97 burps
[21:02] * IT_Sean beeps & displays a fault code
[21:03] <AC`97> ID=07 ?
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[21:03] <AC`97> er, typo'd
[21:03] <AC`97> ID=107
[21:04] * IT_Sean displays the following line on his LCD screen: Error 31x00521
[21:04] <AC`97> er, wot
[21:05] * AC`97 grabs a hammer for some quick fixin'
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[21:07] * IT_Sean shrows some random characters up on his LCD screen and makes some more beeping noises
[21:07] * IT_Sean flashes a few Importang Looking Lights
[21:08] * AC`97 smashes the annoying LCD screen
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[21:08] <AC`97> tada!~ error gone!
[21:08] <midnightyell> Mongo fix!
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[21:14] <AC`97> eix: IT_Sean is a troll?
[21:14] <Hodapp> eix: where?
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[21:18] <IT_Sean> O_o
[21:19] <TomSlominski> AC`97, debian
[21:19] <AC`97> TomSlominski: check the nginx config files
[21:20] <TomSlominski> AC`97, doesn't say anything useful
[21:21] <AC`97> orly
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[21:28] <hadifarnoud> is write on hfs+ partitions safe in linux? did anyone tried?
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[21:40] <hadifarnoud> is write on hfs+ partitions safe in linux? did anyone tried?
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[21:49] <gordonDrogon> evening.
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[22:16] <dmckell> Greetings.
[22:17] <dmckell> I'm looking for a solution on my Pi
[22:17] <dmckell> I would like to run a IRC or other chat-room server on my Pi. Something that will support or use openSSL.
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[22:41] <hadifarnoud> how can I activate Live TV on Xbian XBMC? I install tvheadend
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[22:52] <linuxstb> hadifarnoud: tvheadend is one option, yes. XBMC doesn't talk to tv tuners directly, it needs a server.
[22:53] <hadifarnoud> what should i install
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[22:54] <linuxstb> What TV tuner do you have? Do you intend to install that on your Pi, or elsewhere? (I would suggest elsewhere)
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[22:54] <hadifarnoud> Afatech AF9013 DVB-T
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[23:00] <pepijndevos> what is the voltage of the raspi serial console? 2.3 or 1.8 iirc
[23:00] <pepijndevos> *3.3
[23:01] <mgottschlag> 3.3
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[23:05] <pepijndevos> ok
[23:06] <oldtopman> Alright, I got it, does anybody have a newer raspberry pi kernel for use with qemu?
[23:06] <oldtopman> derp
[23:06] <oldtopman> Wrong chan
[23:07] <OpenSys> pepijndevos, 3.3v ttl
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[23:08] <DomasoFan> hey guys. midi playback works now very nice with raspberry pi. even with a 241 mb soundfont using timidity. seems it clocks in at around 1.04-1.30 of load. temperature rises between 49 and 55 c.
[23:09] <DomasoFan> this box is really underestimated...
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[23:14] <midnightyell> It's a miracle of technology :)
[23:14] <Tachyon`> hrm, where might I buy tiny usb cables, lol
[23:14] <Tachyon`> one has to travel about 2", the other about 6"
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[23:15] <midnightyell> does monoprice have anything that short?
[23:16] <des2> hard to find really short cables.
[23:16] <Tachyon`> hrm, actually have found a 10cm one on amazon
[23:16] <Tachyon`> a bit longer than I wanted but far shorter than these
[23:16] <Tachyon`> I may just have to shorten the existing cables, heh
[23:17] <midnightyell> sounds like someone could start a business selling short micro usb cables
[23:17] <Tachyon`> although I'm not sure you're supposed to do that with USB
[23:17] <Tachyon`> oh, there are micro ones, but I need mini and B? (the printer one) ends?
[23:17] <Tachyon`> although with the hub I suppose I could jsut solder the cable directly to it
[23:18] <Tachyon`> it's not going to be used on anything else
[23:18] <Tachyon`> the hard disk is too small and fiddly for that though...
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[23:22] <rymate1234> hmm
[23:23] <rymate1234> any way to make fonts look better on a 22 inch hdtv?
[23:23] <midnightyell> install truetype fonts?
[23:23] <midnightyell> (or some other vector-based fonts)
[23:24] <rymate1234> i'm using vector fonts
[23:24] <rymate1234> i mean truetype
[23:24] <midnightyell> I dunno; I'd just be happy if I could get mesa/OpenGL to cross-compile properly
[23:25] <Tachyon`> if you're using the console you can configure it for larger fonts
[23:25] <Tachyon`> by editing console-setup, can have up to 32x16, Terminus looks quite nice
[23:25] <Tachyon`> gives you 120x33 console on an HD display
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[23:26] <rymate1234> where's console setup?
[23:26] <rymate1234> bigger fonts in tty might be nice
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[23:29] <Tachyon`> /etc/default/ I think
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[23:30] <Tachyon`> sorry, that didn't send the first time due to the initial / and I didn't notice
[23:31] <Tachyon`> in the file you'll see two options together (and another font option elsewhere you should leave as is) - set the font to "Terminus" and size to "32x16" (or one of a number of sizes), those are case sensitive I think
[23:32] <rymate1234> crap
[23:32] <rymate1234> I set it to "terminus"
[23:32] <rymate1234> ohey it works
[23:32] <Tachyon`> I think you'll just get the default if it can't find it
[23:32] <Tachyon`> ahh
[23:33] <Tachyon`> but yeah, a lot more readable in HD I find, lol
[23:33] <rymate1234> yep
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[23:33] <Tachyon`> there are a number of other sizes, 28x14 etc.
[23:33] <rymate1234> now if only Xorg could be as readable
[23:33] <rymate1234> XD
[23:33] <Tachyon`> but I find 120 columns is more than enough
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[23:34] <Tachyon`> yeah, I don't really use X much so can't help you there -.-, you might install xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-150dpi I think (from memory and it's been a while)
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[23:35] <Tachyon`> but as for getting the window manager to actually use them you'll just have to trawl the config options, lol
[23:35] <rymate1234> meh that'll do for x fonts
[23:35] <rymate1234> XD
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[23:41] <Prinler> Hey
[23:41] <Prinler> Steve
[23:41] <Prinler> Ok, im bored with my Pi, it just sits there and keeps working. flawlessly. doesnt break. im bored now with it :( BREAK ALREADY PI BREAK!
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[23:43] <evilbetty> hammertime
[23:43] <Draylor> hah
[23:43] <simula> you could always try to accomplish something with it ;)
[23:44] <evilbetty> predict the lottery numbers
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[23:46] <midnightyell> Prinler: make your own rootfs; that'll keep you busy :\
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[23:48] <simula> create a pi powered submersible and chart a lake bottom
[23:49] <rymate1234> I'm gonna compile xbmc on my pi
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[23:49] <rymate1234> do I leave it overnight?
[23:49] <simula> create a pi powered blimp or weather balloon and do some crazy aerial photography
[23:50] <rymate1234> be really creative
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[23:50] <rymate1234> create a pi based cooking robot designed for the task of making raspberry pies
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[23:51] <simula> with each pi containing a raspberry pi
[23:52] <rymate1234> lol
[23:53] <simula> stack overflow!
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[23:57] <Prinler> Ill make a bomb
[23:58] <Prinler> I wanna blow up my pool
[23:59] <simula> won't you need a bicycle pump to blow up your pool?

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