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IRC Log for 2012-10-14

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[0:01] <des2> yay for crappy cards.
[0:01] <des2> Are the class 10 cards fakes ?
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[0:04] <TheSeven> class 10 cards are often more optimized for sequential access than for random access
[0:05] <TheSeven> which means that lower class cards (from brand manufacturers) often perform better for linux rootfs workloads than higher class cards (and are possibly also more reliable)
[0:06] <TheSeven> there are also huge differences between manufacturers, for instance sandisk cards are usually really good, and transcend cards (both are class 10) are much slower
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[0:14] <eix> the shop assistant told me they are necessary to film with your most recent HD device (fast sequential write access)
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[0:18] <TheSeven> yes, that's why they're doing this
[0:19] <eix> I have a Kingston 16GB and it's working fine, I think it's also class 10
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[0:20] <eix> but when I was at the shop I was aware it would have been a blind shot..I just got lucky
[0:20] <TheSeven> kingston is a really odd company, basically reselling other company's cards/chips
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[0:20] <TheSeven> apparently you can get totally different cards when buying the same retail product
[0:20] <eix> TheSeven: they add only branding? or also do some refurbishing?
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[0:21] <TheSeven> apparently they are some kind of a demand buffer for flash chip manufacturers
[0:21] <eix> interesting
[0:22] <TheSeven> http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 is worth reading if you want to know the details
[0:22] <TheSeven> that post is dealing with completely fake cards as well
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[0:23] <s5fs> des2: i don't believe my cards are fakes, and one of them is listed as supported on the rasppi page so who knows
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[0:24] <TheSeven> http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918#comment-512017
[0:24] <s5fs> i'm wiping yet another 8gig class 10 card in hopes of it maybe working. it's been formatted and is now being tested with h2testw
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[0:24] <s5fs> TheSeven: interesting
[0:25] <eix> TheSeven: thanks, I am reading that
[0:25] <eix> s5fs: do you get a kernel panic or..?
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[0:26] <CoffeeIV> I wish to use my raspberrypi with a USB webcam ( Logitech HD C910). I'm using the debian image now, which apparently doesn't have the right modules available to capture from a web cam. Which of the other raspberrypi distros would be good for this ?
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[0:27] <caver> hi
[0:27] <s5fs> eix: no, it just starts barfing errors about mmcblk0, journal issues, etc.
[0:27] <s5fs> eix: if truly curious i can post some pics of the screen
[0:27] <eix> s5fs: are you sure it's not an overclocking issue?
[0:28] <s5fs> eix: stock board, fresh firmware, brand new card
[0:28] <eix> TheSeven: fully agree with that comment, it's normal to use multiple manufacturers to supply chips with the same function..but to have nothing specifically kingston inside (IC)..that's amazing
[0:28] <s5fs> eix: i tested with two 8gig class 10 cards and both exhibited the same behavior. tested again with a slower/older 4gig and it works fine.
[0:28] <eix> s5fs: ok. I wonder if *underclocking* would still throw those errors
[0:28] <eix> not that underclocking is what you want, anyway
[0:29] <s5fs> eix: true, underclocking would be interesting but not really what i'm seeking
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[0:30] <eix> s5fs: or you might just try the initial_turbo=30 config parameter
[0:31] <s5fs> eix: okay, i'll give it a try when this card is done cooking. right now i'm running H2testw and it's showing consistent 9+mb/sec write performance.
[0:31] <eix> ahah, I like the description of "ghost shift" products. that guy is hardcore
[0:31] <s5fs> once the verify completes i'll burn the image and give it another go
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[0:33] <Frederick> folks im having problems with my pi I think it is broken I dont see to get a first boot no hdmi output nothing
[0:34] <TheSeven> Frederick: what do the LEDs do?
[0:34] <Frederick> TheSeven: red led is strong, green led is barelly visible
[0:34] <TheSeven> green never lit up properly after powering on?
[0:35] <Frederick> no
[0:35] <TheSeven> in that case the card probably isn't formatted right or some files are missing/bad
[0:35] <TheSeven> this means the cpu didn't find anything bootable
[0:35] <Frederick> cant I boot with no disk?
[0:35] <des2> no
[0:35] <TheSeven> well what would it boot from?
[0:35] <Hoerie> the sdcard slot?
[0:35] <des2> Pis have no bios like PCs.
[0:36] <Frederick> I think I might be using a borked sd card do you mind to take a look on it?
[0:36] <des2> I think he means the sd card as 'disk' Hoerie.
[0:37] <Hoerie> ah, I conflated some nicks
[0:37] <des2> I hate being conflated.
[0:37] <Hoerie> you weren't ;-)
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[0:38] <TheSeven> well which files do you have on the boot partition of the sd card?
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[0:38] <aaa801> This
[0:38] <aaa801> i like this
[0:39] <aaa801> http://www.cooking-hacks.com/index.php/documentation/tutorials/raspberry-pi-to-arduino-shields-connection-bridge
[0:39] <des2> 40 euro!
[0:40] <Frederick> so folks what do you suggest me to do?
[0:40] <des2> you should scroll back and do all the things s5fs did when he had the similar problem.
[0:40] <des2> Do you have another SD card ?
[0:41] <Frederick> bo
[0:41] <Frederick> no
[0:41] <Hoerie> how are you powering the pi?
[0:41] <Frederick> with a motorola handy charger and usb pc port
[0:41] <Hoerie> usb pc port might not give the pi enough power
[0:42] <Hoerie> what's the rating for the charger?
[0:42] <eix> TheSeven: wait wait wait..there is an ARM chip in the SD controller?
[0:42] <Frederick> 5v
[0:43] <Hoerie> and amperage?
[0:43] <caver> how many A's
[0:43] <Frederick> 850mA
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[0:43] <Hoerie> it could be that the charger drops it's voltage under load, causing erratic behaviour on the pi
[0:44] <Frederick> bad charger?
[0:44] <Hoerie> the pi is a bit picky where power is concerned
[0:44] <Frederick> cant I plug it on anopther power supply like my mobo?
[0:45] <Hoerie> pc usb ports are generally limited to 500mA
[0:45] <Frederick> too few?
[0:45] <Hoerie> some might pump out more, but that is beyond usb spec
[0:46] <Hoerie> I believe 750mA is the bare minimum, but 750mA chargers don't always output a high enough voltage at that load
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[0:47] <Frederick> what else can I try should I buy some other charger on the internet?
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[0:48] <Hoerie> well, it might not be the problem at all - I'd check if you don't have another charger lying around
[0:49] <Frederick> I dont
[0:49] <caver> can try powering it from your PC ... it might work
[0:49] <scummos> works for mine
[0:50] <caver> it does for me, especially if it's a USB3 slot
[0:50] <scummos> even with wlan stick + keyboard
[0:50] <Frederick> I tried it also
[0:50] <Frederick> I tried my py powered by my mobo nothign atrtached
[0:50] <Frederick> no luck
[0:50] <caver> right
[0:50] <caver> I'd try resetting the SD card
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[0:52] <Frederick> tried twice
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[0:54] <caver> when you plug the SD card back into the computer, does it show up as a small FAT drive, with a file on it called config.txt
[0:54] <caver> if not, then it might be a corrupt image
[0:55] <TheSeven> eix: yes, in many SD controllers there's an ARM chip
[0:55] <Hoerie> are you creating the sd from windows or linux?
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[0:55] <TheSeven> IIUC most SSDs are ARM-based as well
[0:56] <TheSeven> IIRC the samsung 830 ssd has a 3-core arm processor running some proprietary samsung controller software
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[0:59] <Frederick> caver: i think it is ext3
[0:59] <TheSeven> Frederick: there should be two partitions for most images, one fat partition and one ext4 partition
[1:00] <TheSeven> the cpu looks for something bootable inside the fat partition
[1:00] <s5fs> Frederick: i'm dealing with sdcard issues too. if you think the card is bad, it's probably worth taking a few minutes and confirming.
[1:00] <caver> yup ... the initial file that the GPU loads is on the FAT formatted one, which you ought to be able to open
[1:00] <eix> TheSeven: wow..these things are getting ubiquitous and miniaturized quite well these days
[1:00] <caver> it also contains some .txt files which tell it what kernel name to load etc
[1:01] <Frederick> file system seems screwwed
[1:01] * eix can't skip thinking of future ARM-based nanobots (http://xkcd.com/865/)
[1:01] <caver> aha
[1:01] <caver> well perhaps download a new image
[1:01] <caver> see if that works
[1:02] <caver> if not ... perhaps your SD card is bad
[1:02] <Frederick> how should I format it
[1:02] <Frederick> ?
[1:02] <des2> eix: http://ns.umich.edu/new/releases/7520
[1:02] <Hoerie> there's a step-by-step on the rapsberry pi site
[1:02] <Hoerie> *raspberry
[1:03] <eix> des2: cool
[1:03] <s5fs> Frederick: what os are you using?
[1:03] <Frederick> archlinuyx
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[1:04] <caver> on your desktop machine?
[1:04] <caver> not the pi
[1:04] <s5fs> Frederick: on windows i'm reformatting cards using flashnul to reset the card
[1:04] <eix> TheSeven: conclusion is that Kingston might get A- products from the manuf. supply lines. not really nice..I will consider this in future
[1:04] <eix> I think A-DATA does the same
[1:05] <s5fs> Frederick: after flashnul i pop it out and then plug it back in, windows then asks if i want to format the card and I say yes. then, re-install the raspberry pi image
[1:05] <eix> actually I know other companies that do this, Iomega if I am not mistaken
[1:07] <Frederick> what should I use to format the cards on linux?
[1:07] <caver> start a terminal
[1:07] <caver> type "dmesg"
[1:07] <caver> then see what device it has connected as from the log file
[1:07] <caver> /dev/sdb say
[1:08] <caver> then cd to the dir with your disk image in it
[1:08] <eix> Frederick: gparted if you like GUIs, otherwise mkfs
[1:08] <s5fs> Frederick: gparted is what i use
[1:08] <caver> then dd if=<image file> of=/dev/sdb
[1:08] <Hoerie> http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup <-- this might help
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[1:10] <caver> then dd if=<image file> of=/dev/sdb bs=4M <-- oops ... it'll go a lot faster with this bit on the end
[1:11] <Frederick> eix: to which partition type? fat?
[1:11] <Frederick> Hoerie: im reading it
[1:11] <Frederick> already
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[1:11] <s5fs> Frederick: yeah, fat
[1:12] <Frederick> 32 or 16?
[1:12] <s5fs> fat32
[1:13] <eix> Frederick: depends from what you want to do
[1:13] <Frederick> brb
[1:15] <s5fs> well I think I've confirmed the issue is the sdcard. here's a post, I'm having the same exact issue: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=17357&p=173458
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[1:15] <s5fs> I'm trying arch next, but I'm dubious it'll help.
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[1:18] <eix> s5fs: did you try initial_turbo=30 ?
[1:19] <s5fs> eix: trying that now
[1:19] <eix> k
[1:20] <eix> is it possible to change the color palette shown at the very beginning of the boot sequence? I guess it's in the firmware?
[1:20] <eix> also: I never compiled the firmware part, will that output a start.elf file?
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[1:23] <TheSeven> eix: "A-" DATA? eh? :)
[1:24] <eix> TheSeven: http://www.adata-group.com/ I thought there was a dash
[1:25] <eix> TheSeven: ahah, now I get it
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[1:26] * TheSeven loves his samsung ssd btw (completely off topic, i know)
[1:26] <s5fs> TheSeven: what size? that's my next upgrade before this laptop joins the choir invisible
[1:27] <TheSeven> 830 series 256gb
[1:27] <TheSeven> it makes a hell of a lot of a difference compared to the hdd I used to have
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[1:27] <Frederick> back
[1:27] <TheSeven> and it seems to be one of the most reliable ssds available
[1:27] <eix> I have an Intel one
[1:28] <TheSeven> Frederick: if you dd an image to it you don't have to format it before that, that would get overwritten anyway
[1:28] <eix> 256G also, no failures yet (more than 1 year development usage so far)
[1:28] <s5fs> eix: initial_turbo=30 didn't seem to do the trick, same error on boot
[1:28] <s5fs> eix: you run VMs on it?
[1:28] <eix> s5fs: oh..that sucks
[1:28] <eix> s5fs: hardly
[1:29] <s5fs> eix: well, i have a working system thanks to the 4gig card, but now i'm just plain curious
[1:29] <eix> after some months I coupled it with a regular SATA hard disk and created symlinks to offload biggest writing operations there
[1:29] <s5fs> eix: i have to run windows vms for the occasional c# gig so that always eats up a ton of space
[1:30] <s5fs> current thinking is to move my 500gig sata drive into the optical bay and then get a smaller ssd for os
[1:30] <eix> s5fs: yeah, I have exactly that configuration now
[1:30] <s5fs> (laptop)
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[1:31] <eix> yep
[1:31] <s5fs> eix: yeah, guy at work did it with his mac, works great
[1:31] <TheSeven> eix: someone's running a stress test on the 830
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[1:31] <TheSeven> wearout indicator indicates a design lifespan of 828TB of write traffic
[1:31] <eix> TheSeven: mmh..are you comfortable with the lifetime reduction it will induce?
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[1:32] <eix> TheSeven: can you use SMART tools to show how much life left?
[1:32] <TheSeven> 4960TB written so far, merely 24 internal bad blocks
[1:32] <s5fs> ugh, smart tools never seem to work for me
[1:32] <s5fs> drives just die, no warning. thanks smart!
[1:32] <eix> TheSeven: wow, that's impressive
[1:33] <eix> s5fs: probably you have to check with smart tools from time to time
[1:33] <eix> TheSeven: what program do you use>?
[1:33] <TheSeven> not me, my personal one has merely 500GB written so far
[1:33] <TheSeven> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm&p=5143056&viewfull=1#post5143056
[1:34] <eix> my Reallocated_Sector_Ct is 3, that's nice :)
[1:34] <TheSeven> nonzero isn't really good :/
[1:35] <eix> 4343 power hours, 2482 power cycles
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[1:35] <TheSeven> even assuming a 100% efficient flash translation layer (which is impossible in practice) that SSD would be at like 20k write cycles now
[1:35] <TheSeven> and that's 25nm flash
[1:35] <TheSeven> specified for 3000
[1:35] <TheSeven> that forum thread also contains stress test results of lots of other ssds
[1:36] <TheSeven> but the samsung is really one of the best
[1:36] <japro> interesting playing sound via alsa libs directly has significantly less overhead than using openal
[1:36] <eix> TheSeven: what do you mean? I think 3 reallocations is expected after more than 1 year of usage..
[1:37] <TheSeven> eix: depends on whether it counts dead on arrival blocks
[1:37] <japro> openal + libvorbis used like 25%m libvorbis + alsa 11%
[1:37] <TheSeven> grown defects usually indicate that others are to follow soon
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[1:38] <eix> TheSeven: so having some reallocations is indicator of upcoming failure, in your opinion? I thought that it would be normal on SSDs
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[1:38] <TheSeven> if those have been there from the very beginning that might be fine
[1:38] <eix> due to their internal automatic reallocation logic, and the fact they can't be like regular hard disks
[1:38] <TheSeven> or let's say if they appeared during the first days of use
[1:38] <eix> I understand
[1:38] <eix> however I would be more worried if this was non-SSD
[1:39] <SpeedEvil> s are specified as their capacity after 10000 writes to each bloch
[1:39] <TheSeven> if blocks fail from time to time that's worrying for me... because I've rarely seen blocks fail before their design lifespan
[1:39] <SpeedEvil> raw flash is
[1:39] <eix> I consider my SSD a huge NAND, with slightly more complexity, circuitry and logic..so failure is expected
[1:39] <SpeedEvil> failures during use are routine and expected
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[1:41] <TheSeven> when I worked with apple's (or rather whimory's) FTL (flash translation layer) on an ipod, it turned out that some chips ship with a few bad pages, but really few, and don't accumulate new ones over time (I never got a report of a block actually failing during use)
[1:41] <TheSeven> the ssd tests in that thread seem to also confirm this: no bad blocks until several thousand write cycles, and then they start trickling in at a sharply increasing speed
[1:42] <eix> TheSeven: interesting. I will monitor this counter closely
[1:42] <eix> it might as well have this value since arrival, don't have logs for that
[1:42] <TheSeven> for reference, what's the lifetime gigabytes written and media wearout indicator on that ssd?
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[1:43] <TheSeven> my samsung ssds shipped with 0 remapped blocks, I don't know if there really were no defects or whether they don't count defects detected during production
[1:43] <eix> TheSeven: Workld_Media_Wear_Indic is 4397415
[1:43] * eix is checking the specs..
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[1:44] <TheSeven> http://pastie.org/5054798
[1:44] <eix> TheSeven: it's an SSDSA2M120
[1:45] <TheSeven> mine is like 5 months old now
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[1:46] <eix> this is 120G (I thought double) and about 14 months now. but really, it's the written amount and power cycles that matter IMO
[1:46] <TheSeven> btw, that Unknown_Attribute 235 is the number of unexpected power loss events
[1:47] <TheSeven> (blame nvidia for those)
[1:47] <eix> TheSeven: in mine it's reported in clear, and it's 96
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[1:48] <eix> no surprise, I can't find information about the lifetime gigabytes written
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[1:50] <eix> TheSeven: this should apply to my model as well: http://www.storagereview.com/intel_ssd_520_review
[1:52] <eix> TheSeven: however I don't think I have enough ground to ask for a warranty replacement
[1:52] <SpeedEvil> my Raspberrys have a virus.
[1:52] <SpeedEvil> (plants)
[1:52] <SpeedEvil> I need to get rid of, so I can replant in a couple of years
[1:52] <TheSeven> er, "Lifetime Endurance - 36 TBW Minimum", wtf?
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[1:53] <eix> TheSeven: it's a lot
[1:53] <TheSeven> it will probably survive 100 times that :P
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[1:54] <eix> TheSeven: yours comes with 828TBW?
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[1:56] <TheSeven> judging from the smart data yes, but that's probably not what they guarantee
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[2:02] <Frederick> folks is there a place online where i can buy peripherals which certainly work?
[2:02] <des2> no
[2:02] <TheSeven> what kind of peripherals?
[2:02] <des2> There is no certainty in life.
[2:03] <Frederick> basically the sd cards I think mine is borked
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[2:07] <Frederick> ??
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[2:09] <des2> Well there are three aspects.
[2:09] <des2> The manufacturer.
[2:10] <des2> Whether the manufacturer makes their own or buys commodity memory
[2:10] <des2> and whether the retailer sells you a real or counterfeit.
[2:14] <plugwash> afaict the closest you can get to a gaurantee of a quality card is to buy samsung or sandisk from a reputable vendor (e.g NOT ebay and NOT a third party seller on amazon)
[2:14] <plugwash> and not a stall on a chineese street market
[2:14] <TheSeven> ...or one of those preloaded rpi cards?
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[2:16] <plugwash> the farnell preloaded ones are samsung and farnell are a reputable vendor afaict
[2:16] <plugwash> so likely to be good
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[2:17] <plugwash> I wouldn't reccomend actually using the image that comes loaded on it though
[2:17] <plugwash> and personally I think 4GB is a bit small
[2:17] * TheSeven uses a 256MB card :P
[2:22] <plugwash> Is the owner of 178.63.18.212 (rdns hostname major.na.nu) arround?
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[2:58] <CoffeeIV> I'm running the most recent raspberian, updated and everything - I want to run the command cheese to grab a pic from a USB webcam which is showing up as /dev/video0 . cheese doesn't even pop up a window, giving some "libEGL warning" messages; xawtv puts up a window but doesn't actually show any pictures. What simple tool can I use just to prove to myself that my webcam is working ?
[2:59] <oldtopman> plugwash: Why do you ask? (It's not me though)
[2:59] <SpeedEvil> 'streamer' is part of xawtv
[2:59] <SpeedEvil> and is com and e
[2:59] <SpeedEvil> command line
[3:01] <plugwash> oldtopman, the ISP of that box sent bytemark an automated abuse complaint which they forwarded to me. I belive the complaint was a false positive triggered by the owner of the box mirroring the raspbian archive.
[3:01] <plugwash> and I felt there was a good chance that someone who was going to mirror the raspbian archive would be hanging out here
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[3:03] <CoffeeIV> I ran "streamer -c /dev/video1 -b 16 -o out.jpeg" and it said "libv4l2: error allocating conversion buffer" and "mmap: cannot allocate memory" followed by other more cryptic messages
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[3:12] <axion> mplayer v4l or v4l2 drivers will usually work when all else fails for capture devices
[3:12] <axion> assuming its not a permission issue
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[3:16] <CoffeeIV> axion: I'll try mplayer
[3:17] <CoffeeIV> maybe the real problem is that I need a different model of web cam
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[3:27] <CoffeeIV> well, with mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:device=/dev/video0 I at least get a picture up, showing my camera works, but the color is all washed out and messed up. It's a start though
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[3:33] <JamesHarrison> Quick question - I'm having issues with a mini wireless keyboard dongle and ethernet on two Pis. I'm using 5V/1A USB power on fairly short (1m) leads. The Pi loses power to the USB bus fairly regularly. What's the fix - get a USB PSU with more current capacity?
[3:33] <JamesHarrison> (revision 1 model B boards)
[3:35] <TheSeven> JamesHarrison: does ethernet fail as well or just the keyboard?
[3:36] <TheSeven> and how do you determine that it "loses power to the USB bus"?
[3:36] <JamesHarrison> TheSeven: Ethernet too. The ethernet LEDs go away, keyboard stops working. dmesg says so - will try and grab a dump now.
[3:37] <TheSeven> ok, in that case I think the polyfuses can be ruled out
[3:37] <JamesHarrison> Yeah, that was my first thought but the power draw is minimal
[3:37] <JamesHarrison> well below 140mA at any rate
[3:38] <TheSeven> the polyfuses can cause trouble below that - but they shouldn't affect ethernet at all
[3:38] <TheSeven> how often does this happen?
[3:38] <TheSeven> does it recover automatically or just die until a reboot or what?
[3:39] <TheSeven> dmesg output?
[3:39] <JamesHarrison> Recovers automatically, happens frequently. dmesg I'm working on - pain in the arse to retrieve!
[3:39] <JamesHarrison> (trivial if I had working ssh, but alas...)
[3:40] <rikkib> plugwash, major.na.nu is running an automated continuous software build system on port 8080... I guess you could email the admin of the domain na.nu.
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[3:41] <TheSeven> while (true); do sudo dmesg -c | tee -a dmesg.log; sleep 1; done
[3:41] <TheSeven> JamesHarrison: ^
[3:42] <JamesHarrison> TheSeven: just stuck the card in another box. https://gist.github.com/991790b3c6d0417e0c65
[3:42] <JamesHarrison> line 191 and 236
[3:42] <TheSeven> "currently in Device mode"!?
[3:43] <JamesHarrison> This is using a fresh image of latest Raspbian
[3:44] <TheSeven> what's your kernel cmdline?
[3:45] <JamesHarrison> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=ttyAMA0,115200 kgdboc=ttyAMA0,115200 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 elevator=deadline rootwait
[3:46] <JamesHarrison> afaik, stock raspbian - I've not adjusted anything
[3:46] <TheSeven> yeah looks identical to my working system
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[3:53] <TheSeven> JamesHarrison: http://pastie.org/5055127
[3:54] <TheSeven> that's my rpi booting with just 4.00V on TP1/TP2 (powered of a li-ion cell)
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[3:56] <JamesHarrison> TheSeven: Low voltage, but probably a better current capacity than 1A off Li-ion
[3:56] <des2> 4 Volts!
[3:56] <JamesHarrison> I need a nice sensitive ammeter about now... bah
[3:58] <TheSeven> the 3.3V LDO has a rather high dropout though and can't quite hold its design voltage
[3:58] <TheSeven> ethernet is running fine at 2.8V on the 3.3V bus though
[3:58] <TheSeven> so this doesn't looks very sensitive to undervoltage... possibly to glitches though
[4:00] <JamesHarrison> I'm thinking about just giving this a really nice low-ripple/noise supply and seeing how it goes
[4:00] <JamesHarrison> but I'm wondering if this might just be software
[4:00] <TheSeven> so that LDO limits input voltage to 4.4V theoretically
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[4:00] <JamesHarrison> or if I might have a problem that has developed with the hardware
[4:00] <TheSeven> anything above that seems to be only required for picky USB devices if you don't use a powered hub
[4:00] <JamesHarrison> (which seems a bit odd for two boards bought at different times etc)
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[4:30] <TheSeven> is there a way to tell it to not even allocate a framebuffer and don't enable the hdmi output?
[4:30] <TheSeven> ideally shut down the whole GPU?
[4:30] <TheSeven> (to cut down power draw)
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[4:51] <Frederick> im back guys
[4:51] <s5fs> wb
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[4:52] <Frederick> I cant manage to get my pi to boot
[4:53] <s5fs> Frederick: I remember that from earlier. what have you tried since then? did you reimage the card?
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[4:53] <Frederick> s5fs: doing it right now I beg your pardon but my gfs uncled died and I had to take her tto the hospital
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[4:54] <s5fs> Frederick: sorry to hear that.
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[4:55] <s5fs> Frederick: did your pi work previously?
[4:57] <Frederick> dunno
[4:59] <s5fs> has it worked since you've owned it?
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[5:03] <Prinler> guess not
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[5:07] <Frederick> no
[5:07] <Frederick> have nevere tested but I think the problrm
[5:08] <Frederick> is my sd card
[5:08] <Frederick> I seem unable to write to it
[5:08] <s5fs> Frederick: i was having trouble with my sd cards earlier today too. i bought a couple of cheap class 10 cards, but they wouldn't work. i ended up using an older 4gig class 4 card and it's fine.
[5:09] <Frederick> I have a 32 gb card is it a probnlem?
[5:09] <s5fs> Frederick: i doubt it's the size as much as the speed. what errors are you getting?
[5:09] <midnightyell> make sure the "lock" tab on the card isn't in the locked position
[5:10] <midnightyell> if you're having trouble writing to it
[5:10] <midnightyell> who was it on here that was using distcc on their pi to use a cross-compiler on their desktop?
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[5:11] <s5fs> midnightyell: not me, but i'm interested in cross compiling too. i'm building node.js and it's taking for-ev-ur.
[5:11] <midnightyell> I can cross-compile just fine, but using distcc to cross compile seems like a clever way to avoid some pain
[5:12] <midnightyell> if I could get it to work, that is
[5:12] <s5fs> midnightyell: haha, sounds like an easy way to introduce a little pain too ;-)
[5:12] <midnightyell> yes, but a DIFFERENT pain
[5:12] <s5fs> agreed
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[5:13] <midnightyell> Anyway, I've written up cross-compiling and using QEMU here: http://midnightyell.wordpress.com/
[5:13] <midnightyell> QEMU was about 50x as slow as cross-compiling for me
[5:14] <midnightyell> and the Pi is slower than that
[5:14] <s5fs> interesting
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[5:14] <midnightyell> and by 50x, I mean that AdvanceMAME took 50 seconds to cross, and 42 minutes to build in QEMU
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[5:16] <s5fs> that's substantial. i hadn't considered qemu before, emulation overhead seemed like it would slow it down, but i'm surprised by such a large amount
[5:18] <odin_> how might I diagnose a hung RPi ?
[5:18] <Caleb> measure its penis
[5:18] <Caleb> i kid
[5:18] <Caleb> ummm whats it doin odin_
[5:18] <Caleb> black screen?
[5:19] <odin_> some LEDs still blink, but SSH connections that were open were closed and USB keyboard now plugged in does not make video appear
[5:19] <Caleb> what was it doing before you think it got hung
[5:19] <odin_> it was happily building something when it hung, maybe it ran out of VM, maybe swap-over-NFS is bad idea
[5:19] <odin_> building quite a large project, I estimate it would take it 4 hours
[5:19] <midnightyell> I was surprised by the 50x slowdown as well
[5:20] <midnightyell> ...still faster than native :)
[5:20] <midnightyell> on the Pi
[5:20] <odin_> maybe I just power cycle and look at logs
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[5:22] <odin_> also how to stop apache2 from starting on bootup ? in Red HAt they have "/sbin/chkconfig --level 345 apache2 off" command to edit init.d
[5:23] <odin_> ok log has kernel crash info...
[5:23] <s5fs> haha, swap over nfs seems risky to me too
[5:24] <odin_> looks VM related... (sleep_on_page+0x8/0x10) ... (handle_mm_fault+0xac/0xec) ...
[5:24] <s5fs> aisha won the chili cookoff!
[5:24] <s5fs> crap, wrong channel. but she did!
[5:25] <Frederick> oki guys I rewrote the sd disk now I have a red light on and from time to time the gren light flashes
[5:26] <odin_> ok adding 512Mb swap to file on SD card
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[5:29] <odin_> how do I turn of apache2 and git-daemon from starting up on reboot ? in the debian way
[5:30] <odin_> git-daemon seems to run from runsvdir/runsv (not xinetd/inetd)
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[5:32] <odin_> also I edited /etc/network/interfaces adding: iface lo inet6 loopback (for IPv6 support by default)
[5:32] <odin_> also /etc/modprobe.d/ipv6.conf => 'alias net-pf-10 on' and 'alias ipv6 on' maybe I remove 'on' word ?
[5:33] <s5fs> Frederick: the green light, does it flash erratically or like "flash flash flash" then pause?
[5:35] <Frederick> oki so I plugged it on my tv ans now it works
[5:35] <Frederick> strange
[5:35] <des2> do you want to remove apache completely ?
[5:35] <Frederick> im using it on a usb hub witth proper poweer supply
[5:36] <s5fs> Frederick: i'm using a wall plug to get my power, not through a hub. glad it's working for you though!
[5:42] <odin_> hmm should /etc/rc2.d/S02apache2 exist ? runlevel 2 is 'no networking' on most Linux distos
[5:43] <s5fs> odin_: rename it K02apache2 and see if it still starts up
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[5:43] <odin_> isn't there a system tool for that kind of editing ?
[5:43] <odin_> I found 'sv stop git-daemon' but it keeps restarting it
[5:44] <s5fs> odin_: i don't know sv, i just bork things by hand
[5:44] <odin_> also 'mount' keeps adding 'noexec' option to my NFS options even though /etc/fstab has 'exec' in it
[5:44] <s5fs> odin_: you could look into rcconf i guess
[5:48] <des2> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[5:49] <Frederick> oki im on
[5:49] <Frederick> I need basic help to get wireless woreking
[5:49] <s5fs> des2: any recommendations for a usb wifi dongle? i'm in the market for one
[5:50] <des2> Yeah get one with a chip on the working list.
[5:51] <des2> They are pretty generic but with different chips.
[5:51] <des2> Also if it's further than in the same room get one with an attached antennal.
[5:52] <des2> Dongles for wifi can use 500mA
[5:52] <des2> So you'll need a good power supply or an external powered hub
[5:53] <s5fs> des2: i was going to stick with the wall wart for power
[5:53] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_WiFi_Adapters
[5:53] <des2> Plugging the WiFi dongle direct into the PI's usb port ?
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[5:56] <s5fs> des2: yeah, power the pi from a wall plug and attach the dongle to the onboard usb. if that's not feasable i guess i can just include a powered hub
[5:56] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/270849834225?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
[5:56] <des2> Cheap dongle based on Ralink 5370
[5:57] <s5fs> $0.65 shipping, haha!
[5:57] <des2> The problem is the Pi has a Polyfuse on the input limiting current.
[5:58] <des2> It's designed for 700mA normal operation but kicks in fully at 1.1-1.2Amps.
[5:58] <s5fs> weren't those replaced with 0 ohm resistors though, or am i thinking of something else?
[5:58] <s5fs> sounds like powered hub is the way to go. just complicates making a case i guess.
[5:58] <s5fs> man, i need a 3d printer ;-)
[6:00] <des2> How old is your Pi. is the revision 2 or revision 1. And is it revision 1 with polyfuses replaces by 0 ohm resistors ?
[6:00] <midnightyell> Easy Id tip: Rev 2 Pis have mounting holes
[6:00] <des2> Even the 2 apparently has the 1.1A polyfuse onthe input.
[6:02] <s5fs> i don't see mounting holes, but i see two resistors that say 0000 on 'em
[6:02] <s5fs> i can take a pic if anyone cares, haha
[6:02] <s5fs> F1 and F2 have 0000 on them
[6:02] <des2> yeah they replaced the 2 USB polyfuse with 0 ohm resistors.
[6:03] <des2> The problem is the input still has a 1.1A polyfuse.
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[6:03] <s5fs> des2: gotcha
[6:03] <des2> Some people have gotten around this powering their pi from the GPIO pins.
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[6:03] <s5fs> day 1 with the pi, i don't know much yet
[6:04] <midnightyell> well, welcome to the club
[6:04] <midnightyell> :)
[6:04] <s5fs> thanks!
[6:04] <des2> http://hackaday.com/2012/09/04/problems-powering-raspberry-pi-from-gpio-header/
[6:04] <s5fs> i'm a software guy, landed my first embedded gig recently using beagleboards. fun when work and personal interests align.
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[6:05] <s5fs> the pi is my home dorkaround project, i'm a-gunna make it control a lamp!
[6:05] <midnightyell> I got an embedded job years ago, except the platform was an x86 with 4G of RAM
[6:05] <des2> heh.
[6:05] <des2> Project overkill.
[6:05] <s5fs> des2: exactly right
[6:06] <des2> https://estore.ti.com/Stellaris-LaunchPad.aspx
[6:06] <des2> Buy one of those too for $5 s5fs.
[6:06] <midnightyell> is anyone here a distcc guru? the man pages don't match my software ;|
[6:07] <midnightyell> 2 for $10 :)
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[6:07] <s5fs> des2: i was looking at that, as well as the msp430
[6:07] <midnightyell> my stellaris' are scheduled to ship for another month :(
[6:07] <midnightyell> aren't scheduled...
[6:07] <s5fs> midnightyell: yeah, i think i saw them on hackaday for preorder about a month or so ago, didn't jump then. thought i'd wait.
[6:08] <des2> yeah it's gonna take a while.
[6:08] <s5fs> my work sprints are eating up my free time and with the holidays coming i doubt i'll even be able to finish my stupid lamp project, and most of that code is done.
[6:08] <midnightyell> I have a friend at TI and he won't give me his, even though he doesn't have time ti play with them
[6:09] <des2> heh
[6:09] <midnightyell> Hmm. using distcc to cross compile on my desktop mame took about 14 minutes
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[6:09] <midnightyell> time to tune distcc
[6:09] <des2> your desktop will be maybe 50x faster than compiling on Pi.
[6:10] <midnightyell> yep; thereabouts
[6:11] <midnightyell> this has the pi preprocessing and sending the file over to the Huge Damn Linux box, who compiles it and sends back the object file
[6:11] <s5fs> midnightyell: okay, what?
[6:12] <s5fs> i don't know distcc but it sounds slick man
[6:12] <midnightyell> the advantage being that I don't have to futz around trying to get the package to cross compile cleanly; as far as the build system thinks, it's a native build
[6:12] <midnightyell> yeah, this isn't bad
[6:12] <s5fs> that's wicked funky
[6:12] <midnightyell> I'll write up a howto
[6:12] <s5fs> i'd love to read it
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[6:12] <s5fs> we've been using bitbake at work and the guy managing it makes it sound like a huge hassle
[6:12] <midnightyell> someone on here gave me the idea; and they weren't the 1st to have it
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[6:13] <s5fs> for this current gig we've got a couple of small c++ apps to compile and i was looking at just cross-compiling and distributing via debian packages
[6:13] <midnightyell> well, doing 1 project in a non-production environment is one thing; mantaining it for a real software shop is another :)
[6:14] <s5fs> midnightyell: understood
[6:14] <midnightyell> it's easy enough these days to set up a cross-toolchain with crosstool-ng
[6:14] <s5fs> i hope so, that's my tomm project
[6:14] <midnightyell> the Pi foundation already has cross toolchains
[6:15] <midnightyell> just download & go
[6:15] <s5fs> i want to understand the process so i can replicate for the beagleboard
[6:15] <midnightyell> heh
[6:15] <s5fs> hey, i can't have the grey beard run the show forever!
[6:15] <midnightyell> well, they also have their conf files for crosstool-ng, if you want to see what they did
[6:16] <midnightyell> https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools
[6:16] <s5fs> prob best to start simple and build out
[6:16] <midnightyell> and hey, my beard's starting to go grey...
[6:17] <s5fs> i'm balding but my beard is holding strong
[6:17] <s5fs> at what point does "balding" become "balded"? haha
[6:17] <des2> heh
[6:17] <midnightyell> "shaved" should probably enter in there before you get to that
[6:18] <s5fs> full montel?
[6:18] <des2> As long as you have one hair left...
[6:18] <s5fs> des2: i like your style
[6:18] <Xark> s5fs: It depends on the reflectivity coefficient, I believe. :)
[6:18] <midnightyell> heh
[6:18] <midnightyell> when you buy more wax than shampoo
[6:18] <Xark> midnightyell: LOL
[6:18] <s5fs> jean-luc picard. 'nuff said.
[6:19] <midnightyell> more like Bruce Willis
[6:19] <s5fs> yippie kay yay, head-and-shoulders
[6:20] <s5fs> anyways, i'm off for now. later gang, thanks for the solid advice!
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[6:21] <des2> have fun.
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[8:19] <dreamon_> want to connect to wlan (WEP). found only help with WPA. is there a console tool out there?
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[9:22] <dreamon_> want to connect to wlan (WEP). found only help with WPA. is there a console tool(network-manager) out there.
[9:22] <dreamon_> ?
[9:22] <Caleb> wicd
[9:23] <Caleb> might be too big for the pi though
[9:26] <midnightyell> For whoever was asking for this earlier: using distcc to cross-compile for the Pi: http://wp.me/p2NmDY-2D
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[9:31] <des2> nice midnight
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[9:37] <des2> You've got a lot of good Pi posts on your blog
[9:42] <dreamon_> Caleb, thought wicd is only for gui?
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[10:05] <eix> has anybody experience on compiling the kernel for raspberry pi?
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[10:22] <shiftplusone> eix, I would imagine so, it's best to just ask the question.
[10:23] <eix> shiftplusone: thanks
[10:24] <eix> I have compiled 3.2.27 with no success so far. I have a slightly modified kernel .config and I always get a complete hangup after a few seconds on boot. I get a stacktrace and then it hangs up
[10:24] <eix> initially I had disabled autogroup scheduler feature, but it crashes anyway on some random CPU-intensive task happening at boot time..any ideas how to troubleshoot?
[10:24] <shiftplusone> do you have a working serial connection?
[10:25] <eix> shiftplusone: nope
[10:25] <eix> I can see the stacktrace on RGB output
[10:26] <shiftplusone> kind of hard without seeing the whole boot proccess. Have you used qemu?
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[10:27] <eix> no, but I should be able to do that
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[10:27] <shiftplusone> if you can replicate the same result in qemu and post the output, it might help
[10:28] <eix> you're right, will give it a try
[10:29] <shiftplusone> Some other info which might help is what steps you're taking to compile the kernel and modules, including what toolchain you're using if you're cross-compiling, where you got the .config from and what changes you made and so on.
[10:29] <eix> shiftplusone: I am compiling it on the raspberry pi, natively
[10:30] <eix> I am using a modified version of the current's kernel /proc/config.gz
[10:30] <shiftplusone> sounds good, very little room for error there.
[10:30] <shiftplusone> have you tried to compile the kernel without any modifications?
[10:31] <eix> shiftplusone: I think I didn't
[10:31] <shiftplusone> might be worth a shot, just to rule out the possibility that something is wrong there.
[10:31] <eix> yep
[10:32] <eix> weird..this morning a new issue, it "gracefully" hangs up (I have working keyboard compared to the custom kernel's hangup) during the systemctl start
[10:32] <eix> will give it a try with the vanilla .config
[10:33] <OpenSys> to change the linux kernel, you must know what you are doing
[10:33] <OpenSys> 1? you must get the oldconfig
[10:33] <shiftplusone> OpenSys, that's how you get to know what you're doing.
[10:33] <eix> OpenSys: I have configured & compiled a few in the past, however I learn by trying
[10:34] <OpenSys> i just saying
[10:34] <shiftplusone> If you're going to be messing around with the kernel much, you should get the serial working, it really makes things a lot easier.
[10:34] <OpenSys> shiftplusone, noooo
[10:34] <OpenSys> relax
[10:34] <shiftplusone> ?
[10:35] * eix is checking how to wire serial
[10:35] <shiftplusone> eix, did you also re-compile and install the modules?
[10:36] <shiftplusone> eix, for the serial, do you have a usb->uart cable?
[10:36] <eix> shiftplusone: yes
[10:36] <eix> shiftplusone: usb->uart, no
[10:37] <eix> where is the second UART?
[10:37] <eix> the non-GPIO one
[10:37] <shiftplusone> well, this goes without saying, but just in case, don't try to hook up the rs232 straight to uart.
[10:37] <eix> shiftplusone: because it's unbuffered or..?
[10:38] <shiftplusone> also, don't use 5v uart, it's 3.3v
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[10:39] <shiftplusone> Yeah, because rs232 is something like 25v I think.
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[10:39] <drivelights> logic lo=-12v logic hi=+12v
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[10:39] <shiftplusone> ah, there you go
[10:40] <shiftplusone> The easiest way is to get something like this from ebay http://www.adafruit.com/products/70
[10:40] <eix> my soldering equipment is several hundreds kms from here..so GPIO soldering is not going to happen today anyways
[10:41] <eix> shiftplusone: did you mean this? http://www.adafruit.com/products/954
[10:41] <shiftplusone> same thing, but yeah that one is better since you can hook it straight up to gpio
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[10:45] <shiftplusone> the one I linked to has the advantage of being usable with many other things, while this one is only good for things like rpi and zipit
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[10:48] <Xark> You can also use something like this -> http://www.adafruit.com/products/284
[10:49] <Xark> (These are all over ebay too)
[10:50] <Datalink> any 3.3v ttl cable will do so long as you have a way to work with the Pi's pinout, I use my Arduino in tristate (reset shorted) mode
[10:50] <shiftplusone> yup
[10:50] <Datalink> my Arduino's the Seeeduino, a clone with a voltage switch to make the AVR and FTDI run on the 3v3 or 5v regulator
[10:51] <Datalink> you do have to be mindful of the voltage, 3.3 Volts is required, 5 volts will damage the Pi
[10:51] <Tachyon`> hrm, tha tlooks lik ea ttl serieal to usb adapter
[10:51] <Datalink> it is
[10:52] <Datalink> if you have a actual RS232 connector (DSub -12/+12) you will have to use a MAX232 level shifter configured for 3.3v
[10:53] <Tachyon`> do you happen to know what voltage the serial pins for the consoel on the GPIO header are?
[10:53] <dreamon_> every time I reboot, I have to make /etc/init.d/networking start to get connection to wlan. what do I have to do, so it will start at reboot?
[10:53] * Xark notes both the FTDI cables and the FTDI friend above are all 3.3v signal level but 5v tolerant (by default).
[10:53] <Tachyon`> yeah, the adapter will tolerate 5v, the pi wll not
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[10:54] <gordonDrogon> 'morning people of 3.14 ...
[10:54] <Datalink> 3v3 FTDIs are thus usable on other devices like microcontrollers so long as the micros can understand 3v3 (AVR can, and it's a popular one)
[10:54] <Datalink> morning gordonDrogon
[10:54] <Tachyon`> datalink, the console serial on the GPIO? 3.3 or 1.8?
[10:54] <tero> speaking about ttl converters. I have three of these. http://www.poscope.com/pousb12
[10:54] <tero> and it works fine
[10:54] <tero> with rpi
[10:54] <Datalink> 3.3
[10:54] <Tachyon`> ah, thanks
[10:55] <Tachyon`> I hadn't dared connect anything to it as yet in case it was 1.8, saw both regulators
[10:55] <Datalink> everything on the Pi's GPIO is 3v3 except the 5V pins P1-2 P1-4
[10:55] <Tachyon`> I do have a max233 about though so 3.3 should be easily dealt with
[10:55] <Tachyon`> ahh
[10:55] <Datalink> 1.8 is only used in core
[10:55] <Tachyon`> ah right, that makes thigns a little less worrying, lol
[10:55] <Datalink> look up max232 calculator and set it to give you 3.3, there's about a thousand out there
[10:56] <Tachyon`> oh, I already have a max233 setup for 3.3 that I made for unrelated purpsoes so I can just use that
[10:56] <Tachyon`> now I know it won't kill it
[10:56] <Tachyon`> lol
[10:56] <Datalink> I consider P1-2 and P1-4 as DNCs unless I'm using it to power other 5V inputs (I have an FPGA I do this with)
[10:56] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, is your seeeduino ok at 16MHz at 3.3v ? (it's outside the spec, but I know others have been running ATmegas at 16MHz at 3.3v)
[10:56] <Datalink> ah recycling is one of the great things about hobby electronics
[10:57] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I'm running at the stock 12, I don't OC my stuff
[10:57] <Datalink> I could... theoretically run it at 16MHz but it'd take replacing the crystal
[10:57] <Datalink> I don't know how they attached it to my board, I think it's wave soldered
[10:57] <Datalink> but no signs of how
[10:58] <Tachyon`> I'd think 12 would be better if you're doing anything USB related with it
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, 12MHz? that's not typical for an arduino - they're 8 or 16 usually...
[10:58] <Datalink> ....
[10:58] <Datalink> I just looked, it is 16
[10:58] <Tachyon`> lol
[10:58] <Datalink> wtf was the 12... my FPGA?
[10:58] <Datalink> oh yeah, that's it, the FPGA's 12 with a multiplier
[10:58] <Tachyon`> I dunno, I typically run pics at 12
[10:59] <Datalink> lemme see what crystal's in my PIC board
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> anything other than 16MHz needs a different bootoader for serial programming as the baud rate calcs. are wrong.
[10:59] <Datalink> 11.05
[10:59] <Datalink> my seeeduino's also got an auto/manual reboot switch, I love the thing
[10:59] <Datalink> only thing I have to use one of the reset pin hacks for is the tristate
[11:00] <Tachyon`> well, if it were 8 you could just set half the bad rate
[11:00] <Tachyon`> which is usually a valid speed (if often a little used one, IE: 600)
[11:00] <Datalink> but yeah, 3.3v or 5v only problem I ever have is if I switch without powering it down
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> I'm running an ATmega at 8 right now, but I'm using the ICSP programmer on it
[11:00] <Datalink> that's cause I'm an idiot
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[11:00] <Tachyon`> yes, 've only ever killed 1 3.3 device with 5v
[11:00] <Tachyon`> you kinda do that once then get more careful, lol
[11:00] <Datalink> should be okay at 16, just set the ISP up for it
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[11:01] <Datalink> I got so lucky... had the sides flipped on my breadboard one time...
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> using the internal RC oscillator rather than an external xtal - gain 2 IO ports that way :)
[11:01] <Datalink> the pins that touched 5 volt have responded normally after I fixed it
[11:01] <eix> ok, now I am starting from scratch. I should compile rpi-3.2.27, right?
[11:01] <Datalink> I don't recall the last time I used over a bus on my Arduino
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> I've accidentally 5v'd a Pi's GPIO pin before - seem to have gotten away with it...
[11:01] <eix> I saw rpi-3.6 and looks attractive, but it might not be better than what I have now..
[11:02] <Tachyon`> Never used the AVR stuff, only PICs, what advantages do AVRs offer? or have they just become more popular due to the arduino?
[11:02] <Datalink> eix, do you have a need to build from scratch, I can't think of anything outside of very scarce edge cases where you'd need to recompile the RPi kernel
[11:03] <eix> Datalink: I need the xpad module
[11:03] <Datalink> Tachyon`, mostly popularity, there's some low level differences, fuses and registers are different of course
[11:03] <Tachyon`> the parallax propeller looks like a very interesting chip
[11:03] <Tachyon`> although not as cheap as a PIC
[11:03] <Datalink> eix, ah, elinux has a good page on compiling the kernel, it's pretty easy with menuconfig but takes... 3-8 hours depending on what you add on the Pi
[11:03] <Tachyon`> my replica Altair uses one to generate the terminal
[11:03] <eix> Datalink: and the possibility of customizing the kernel is also interesting (I would disable some options)
[11:03] <eix> Datalink: yeah..I checked that out
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[11:03] <Datalink> then 'make menuconfig' will be as much your friend as it was mine
[11:04] <eix> I was wondering if anybody tried 3.6 already
[11:04] <Datalink> sec
[11:04] <Datalink> nope, I'm on 3.2
[11:04] <Datalink> I tend to err on the side of LTS though
[11:04] <Tachyon`> I think the last kernel I built by hand was a 2.2 kernel -.o it all got so much easier when initrd appeared
[11:05] <eix> I think I will do as shiftplusone said, trying the vanilla kernel config and then mine
[11:05] <eix> I have also disabled the moderate overclocking..might be related to these crashes
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, they are popular due to arduino, but IMO they're much easier to program and possibly a shade faster, although there's not much in it - much easier to target for higher level languages due to a non-segmented type architechure for RAM (but I understand later PICs sorted that, somewhat)
[11:05] <eix> will turn it on later
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[11:05] <Datalink> that's ideal, keep a copy of the stock image just in case (yay /boot being fat)
[11:05] <eix> Tachyon`: the same initrd that we do not use on raspberrypi?
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[11:06] <Datalink> if you see crashes, step 1 is to dial down overclock
[11:06] <Tachyon`> do we not? how would I know, there's no display in the initial boot
[11:06] <eix> Datalink: yes, already doing that, thanks
[11:06] <Tachyon`> but okay, lol
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, some say it got harder when initrd appeared ;-) I've never built a kernel that needed initrd.
[11:06] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, you know more than I, I failed microcontrollers because I could never get a PIC to run my code
[11:06] <Tachyon`> well, it got easier in that you didn't have to recompile every time you changed hardware like you did pre initrd
[11:06] * Datalink hugs on modules.
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, :-) To be fair, I've only ever done one big project on a PIC - didn't like it!
[11:07] <Tachyon`> oh yes, well, not so much with modules
[11:07] <Tachyon`> when I started with linux it had no modules
[11:07] <crenn> Datalink: I got a PIC to run code once, good thing I didn't have to write said code :D
[11:07] <Tachyon`> 1.0.something
[11:07] <Tachyon`> on a 486sx25, yeah, that was fun, lol
[11:07] <Tachyon`> start the kernel compile, go out for the day
[11:07] <Datalink> crenn, nono, I couldn't get someone else's on, I knew the PIC worked cause it was just used by the professor... it saw me and said screw you
[11:07] * crenn sticks with a Leaflabs Maple/Maple Mini
[11:07] <Datalink> Tachyon`, haha, same thing with a pi... I went to sleep, got the first full night I've gotten in a month and it was STILL compiling o.@
[11:08] <crenn> Datalink: To be honest, that was my first experience when I tried programming the Bus Pirate I built
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[11:08] <gordonDrogon> right - quick shower then my bread will be ready for the oven... back inna bit.
[11:08] <Datalink> crenn, how are those? the cog thing is confusing as someone who's used to a more standard system
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[11:08] <crenn> I still remember when the capacitor went pop....
[11:08] <crenn> Datalink: cog?
[11:08] <Tachyon`> subprocessor in the prop
[11:09] <Datalink> oh, sorry, was thinking propeller, had a long convo about it in another channel a bit ago, forgot the mapple's a diff arch
[11:09] <crenn> I haven't used a propellor before, want to try it though
[11:09] <Tachyon`> yeah, they do look very powerful
[11:09] <Datalink> it looks interesting, I wouldn't wanna rely on it for main CPU stuff but could be useful as an application subprocessor
[11:09] <crenn> I hear they finally will allow C code
[11:09] <crenn> Datalink: Maple is ARM Cortex-M3
[11:09] <Datalink> that's an odd thing to not allow...
[11:09] <Tachyon`> the one in my altair not only produces two terminals from serial (Compositge and VGA) but also deals with SD loading etc.
[11:09] <crenn> STM32F103
[11:09] <Datalink> ah
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[11:10] <Datalink> I still wanna make a raw iron boot image for my Pi
[11:10] <Tachyon`> ah
[11:10] <Datalink> but that means figuring out where to poke all sorts of hardware... x.x
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[11:10] <Tachyon`> there's a page showing you how to do the bareminimum that way cambridge put up
[11:10] <Tachyon`> one second
[11:10] <Datalink> no, I'm talking not Linux kernel, custom OS
[11:11] <Tachyon`> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/freshers/raspberrypi/tutorials/os/introduction.html
[11:11] <Datalink> though the problem is the GPU's closed source nature... (damn you Broadcom)
[11:11] <eix> Datalink: that would be fun. I guess you can rev.eng some linux drivers to get the know-how
[11:12] <Datalink> eix, some, not all, I may make my own OLED the display if I do a custom OS like that though, since that's a simpler control as far as I know
[11:12] <eix> but it might become addictive once you start writing to screen with ncurses-like representation
[11:12] <eix> next thing you want to add network support etc
[11:12] <Tachyon`> you know how to make an OLED display from scratch?
[11:12] <Datalink> .... no, I mean the drivers... I haven't worked in organic phosphors, no
[11:12] <eix> Tachyon`: probably he means to wire one
[11:12] <Tachyon`> ah, I've often wondered why they can't be printed to order
[11:12] <Tachyon`> single colour ones
[11:13] <Datalink> I have an SPI color one I got from Adafruit
[11:13] <Tachyon`> there was a lot of talk of that when OLED was new
[11:13] <crenn> Stuff a kid and a bunch of RGB LEDs into a box and tell him channel 4
[11:13] <Datalink> crenn, that doesn't work so well...
[11:13] <crenn> You've tried?
[11:13] <Tachyon`> I'd like replacement displays for my old casio pocket computers (the original 1980s basic programmable ones, FX series etc.)
[11:13] <Tachyon`> particularly the PB-1000 which is almost unreadable due to age
[11:14] <Datalink> I couldn't get the picture to look right... it takes a lot of work to do that, yaknwo
[11:14] <eix> Datalink: you would use the display port on the raspberrypi for the OLED?
[11:14] <Datalink> eix, no, the display's SPI, it won't speak that port's protocol
[11:14] <eix> Tachyon`: wow..you have quite nice stuff :)
[11:14] <tero> any news on the camera module?
[11:15] * Tachyon` collects old systems -.o;
[11:15] <Datalink> tero, rumors that they've found one... I haven't seen anything on it though
[11:15] <tero> what*
[11:15] <tero> ?
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[11:16] <Datalink> tero, there was something about it on RPi's site a while ago, but no pictures so I take it as rumors until I see something more substantial
[11:16] <eix> I know that git is the new cool guy on the block, but it's so damn slow! and I am not talking about running from the pi. it's slow also on a high-end system, and with depth 0 :\
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[11:16] * eix is nostalgic of the subversion days
[11:16] <Datalink> eix, I don't see slowdowns usually, though I also have this really really fat internet pipe
[11:16] <crenn> I plan to implement a full touch screen TFT with the Maple Mini to display info (including IP, damn handy to have the IP showing) and have that connected to the RPi
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[11:16] <Datalink> 50meg down
[11:17] <Tachyon`> here's a question, when doing hardware video playback on the pi, is it 24 bit or 16 bit? I notice everything defaults to 16 bit by default
[11:17] <Datalink> Tachyon`, when I can get omxplayer to work, I'll let you know
[11:17] <eix> Datalink: no, it's much slower here..but I am not sure my wifi would give me 50M anyway
[11:17] <Tachyon`> oh, it works here
[11:17] <Tachyon`> how is it not working for you?
[11:17] <Datalink> Tachyon`, that's been the question we've been asking me since I first asked...
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[11:17] <Datalink> "why doesn't it work for you, it works for me"
[11:17] <Tachyon`> I mean, what happens
[11:17] <Tachyon`> when you attempt to use it
[11:18] <Datalink> datalink@raspberrypi ~ $ omxplayer -o hdmi im3.m4v
[11:18] <Datalink> file : im3.m4v result 6 format mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 audio streams 1 video streams 1 chapters 0 subtitles 0
[11:18] <Datalink> have a nice day ;)
[11:18] <Datalink> and NOTHING else
[11:18] <Tachyon`> hrm
[11:18] <Datalink> with or without X running
[11:18] <Tachyon`> it doesn't tell you what codecs the streams are etc.
[11:19] <Tachyon`> ah, result 6
[11:19] <Tachyon`> I've noticed any non-zero result seems to mean no playback, I get it on the higgs mp4
[11:19] <Tachyon`> have you tried it with an old divx video ro something, those work here
[11:19] <Tachyon`> as do h264s that are not the higgs video
[11:19] <Tachyon`> but it just seems to not like certain profiles or something
[11:20] <Datalink> no, cause I don't have those, I've had broadband since I was 17... I don't download media that often... usually easier to find it again
[11:20] <Datalink> I'm 31... long time to be in that particular habbit... heh
[11:20] <Tachyon`> oh, well, if you want to see nasty nick griffin getting his arse handed to him while testing it, grab this questiontime: http://www.pokenet.co.uk/~hideki/
[11:20] <Tachyon`> and try playing that
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[11:22] <Datalink> ....
[11:22] <Datalink> go into links to grab the file... reolize my music's slowing it down, so I go into a console, into a screen, then kill vlc... exit the shell (VLC was the spawn instance for screen so that died) and then restore the download...
[11:23] <Datalink> I think I may have been using Linux console too long
[11:23] <Datalink> I reolized I did all that after the stream stopped... heh
[11:24] <eix> by the way, did anybody get subtitles with omxplayer?>
[11:24] <Datalink> my answer to that one is already known
[11:24] <Datalink> I'm sure folks are tired of me saying that
[11:25] <eix> I know OpenVG was attempted to merge
[11:25] <eix> but don't know if there were recent developments
[11:25] <eix> also I saw OpenVG merge tracks on git, so I was confused
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[11:25] <Tachyon`> omxplayer does support subs
[11:25] <Tachyon`> I'll feed it an anime
[11:26] <Tachyon`> one second
[11:26] <eix> Tachyon`: I am talking about srt subtitles
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[11:27] <Tachyon`> argh, a dub
[11:27] <Tachyon`> oh right
[11:27] <Tachyon`> it defaulted to english audio and no subs, lol
[11:27] <eix> I think it's still unsupported, and I saw there was a ticket to remove the subtitles option that's confusing
[11:28] <MashedUpCow> has anyone used DD to take an image from an SD card and create a .img file? I'm trying to do this now with a 32gb card which only has a 2gb partition on it, but it takes so long I think its extracting the full 32gb. I really only want/need the 2gb partition. Looked over Google, can't find anything useful
[11:28] <eix> MashedUpCow: easy. dump the first 2 GB
[11:28] <eix> (+ some padding)
[11:28] <MashedUpCow> easy: how? :)
[11:29] <eix> MashedUpCow: check 'man dd', and pay attention to blocksize and number of blocks
[11:29] <eix> then it's simple maths :)
[11:29] <eix> I suggest using a big block size like 4M
[11:29] <MashedUpCow> mmm, can't DD just work on a partition, not a deviec?
[11:29] <eix> MashedUpCow: yes, but it's not what you want
[11:30] <eix> MashedUpCow: wait..are you going to mount the partition as loopback?
[11:30] <eix> MashedUpCow: in that case dumping the partition would be ok
[11:30] <MashedUpCow> I want to distribute an image, but I doubt many people would have 32gb cards most will have less. if I take the full 32gb they'll not be able to return it to a smaller card
[11:30] <Tachyon`> hrm, subs don't seem to work within the MKV either
[11:30] <eix> MashedUpCow: in that case you need the partition descriptor as well, so dumping the partition only is not an option
[11:31] <eix> Tachyon`: yep, I had the same feeling
[11:31] <eix> Tachyon`: and you cannot choose language track
[11:31] <Tachyon`> you can
[11:31] <Tachyon`> I just did
[11:31] <eix> Tachyon`: :o
[11:31] <Tachyon`> -n 2 for japanese audio on this one
[11:31] <eix> cool
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[11:31] <Tachyon`> aht you can't do is specify by language IE: jap even though they help says you can
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[11:31] <Tachyon`> you have to give it a number of the audio track
[11:32] <eix> Tachyon`: that's what I tried!! damn help :(
[11:32] <Tachyon`> lol
[11:32] <Tachyon`> the long form options don't work either
[11:32] <Datalink> MashedUpCow, you should be able to resize the partition image, it would require the partition, not disk image though, so if you're using a 2 partition image like the Pi's it would take a lot more work
[11:32] <Tachyon`> IE: -n 2 rather than --aidx 2
[11:32] <eix> Tachyon`: sorry to be so harsh, but I think nothing justifies a command line help that does not match the features. it's laziness..
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[11:33] <MashedUpCow> mm, I might just abandon the idea for now and let those I was going to gig can image the steps to re-create
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[11:33] <Tachyon`> well, I didn't write it, I just worked out how to use it
[11:33] <MashedUpCow> it'll be good for them to learn
[11:33] <Tachyon`> lol
[11:33] <eix> I am eventually going to put my hands on omxplayer sources also, if I master kernel compilation on raspberry pi..
[11:33] <Datalink> MashedUpCow, one option is to resize the partition on the SD card before copying it off
[11:33] <Tachyon`> wonder if subs work in Raspbmc, that keeps breaking my TV
[11:33] <Tachyon`> IE: locks up and won't accept remote input until I power cycle it
[11:33] <eix> Datalink: that will not help
[11:33] <Datalink> eix, kernel compile's easy, 'make menuconfig'
[11:34] <eix> Datalink: it's not, my compiled kernel hangs up
[11:34] <Datalink> eix, yeah, true, he'd have to copy them off and onto a target sized device
[11:34] <Datalink> eix, ick
[11:34] <Datalink> eix, what error?
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[11:34] <eix> random crashes actually
[11:35] <eix> kernel debug stracktraces
[11:35] <Tachyon`> are you overclocking?
[11:35] <Datalink> eix, what are you overclocking at?
[11:35] <eix> Tachyon`: yes, 900
[11:35] <Tachyon`> try the standard 700
[11:35] <Datalink> first rule of Overclocking a pi, if it crashes, dial back
[11:35] <Tachyon`> yup, lol
[11:35] <Datalink> if it crashes again, it's not the overclock
[11:35] <Tachyon`> then change psu
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[11:35] <eix> the default kernel goes fine with that overclocking
[11:35] <Datalink> what'd you set for debugging?
[11:36] <eix> nothing, basically
[11:36] <eix> I use RGB out
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[11:37] <Tachyon`> RGB out? what RGB out?
[11:37] <Tachyon`> are you using a USB to VGA adapter?
[11:38] <eix> Tachyon`: the yellow RCA
[11:38] <eix> isn't that called also RGB?
[11:38] <Tachyon`> ah, that's composite
[11:38] <eix> yes, composite
[11:38] <Tachyon`> it's not RGB, just one signal combining chroma, luma, sync
[11:39] <Tachyon`> I'd like to use an RGB display but there's no particularly easy way as yet it seems
[11:39] <eix> Tachyon`: nowadays HDMI is the standard
[11:39] <Tachyon`> there are HDMI to VGA converters but they're ropey as hell and you either get a blurry screen or the 1995 laptop effect
[11:39] <Datalink> that connector's RCA, eix, or composit
[11:40] <Datalink> Tachyon`, he means the RCA connector, the composite, not VGA
[11:40] <Tachyon`> the connector is RCA, the signal is composite
[11:40] <Tachyon`> yeah, I realise that now, lol
[11:40] <Tachyon`> I tried the pi on my old 1084 but it's too wide for the display
[11:40] <eix> yeah, I once modified a composite to SCART cable myself
[11:40] <eix> adding a condenser inside
[11:40] <Tachyon`> I had fun doing that for the amiga
[11:40] <Tachyon`> had to find a 12v source from somewhere
[11:41] <Tachyon`> to switch it to RGB mode
[11:41] <Tachyon`> (as the cable I had didn't have one)
[11:41] <Datalink> Tachyon`, you know what I mean... that's the important part
[11:41] <Tachyon`> ended up nicking it from the floppy connector
[11:41] <eix> eheh
[11:41] <Datalink> ugh, SCART had to be a pain for import kit
[11:41] <Datalink> I've read up on it, glad the industry's switching to HDMI across the board... ugly fees but simpler solution
[11:41] <Tachyon`> HDMI is harder to drive from your own stuff though
[11:41] <Tachyon`> I'm not fond of it
[11:41] <Tachyon`> also, HDCP, heh
[11:42] <eix> Tachyon`: why harder?
[11:42] <Datalink> Tachyon`, this is painfully true... I still need to make a DVI for my FPGA
[11:42] <Datalink> HDCP is optional in the spec
[11:42] <Tachyon`> doesn't the target display only work at a quarter resolution if it's not there though?
[11:42] <Tachyon`> or am I misunderstanding
[11:42] <Datalink> no, HDCP devices downgrade, recievers ignore
[11:43] <Datalink> reciever doesn't care if it's not copy protected, the BluRay does
[11:43] <Tachyon`> oh right, it's downgraded at source if it doesn't detect support in the display?
[11:43] <Datalink> right
[11:43] <Tachyon`> ahh
[11:43] <Datalink> that said, there are ways to do man-in-the-middle on it
[11:43] <Tachyon`> well, I assumed there would be
[11:43] <Tachyon`> these standards never protect for long
[11:44] <Tachyon`> I suspect they cost more in R&D than they save via piracy
[11:44] <Datalink> https://www.adafruit.com/products/609
[11:44] <Tachyon`> as pirates are very adaptable
[11:44] <eix> Tachyon`: or you can just blame braindamaged design..
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[11:44] <eix> I think I will re-image. it gets stuck on boot at some UTMP update systemctl entry
[11:46] <Datalink> I actually wanna get that TV box...
[11:46] <Datalink> as I already have the FPGA's tools on my system
[11:46] <Datalink> ....
[11:47] <Datalink> I have a Spartan-3, that board's a spartan-6... oooh
[11:47] <shiftplusone> eix, I was afk, how did the vanilla kernel go?
[11:48] * Tachyon` really needs to have a go at FPGA design
[11:48] * Tachyon` eyes the DE-1
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[11:48] <eix> shiftplusone: not yet there..
[11:49] <eix> shiftplusone: I am recompiling from scratch
[11:49] <shiftplusone> ah right, it takes forever on the pi
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[11:50] <Datalink> Tachyon`, xess.com has the XuLA, while less features on the board (it's a FPGA, RAM, Flash and a PIC to load the program onto the FPGA) it's also cheaper and if you are a hardware hacker like me you have parts laying around
[11:50] <Datalink> the XuLA 2 adds microSD, I'm eyeing it but have to wait until next semester
[11:51] <Datalink> I'd warn you about 3.3v logic but you already have devices with the related warnings
[11:52] <eix> Tachyon`: FPGA for what?
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[11:53] <Tachyon`> eix, I've not decided yet
[11:53] <eix> ahah, nice
[11:53] <Tachyon`> Datalink, ahh, that does look interesting
[11:53] <Datalink> I <3 mine
[11:53] <Tachyon`> eix, I've done about as much as I ca do writing code, time to try something else ;p
[11:54] <eix> Tachyon`: cool. I am basically also there now, and want to get more into embedded systems
[11:54] <Datalink> Tachyon`, both the Xilinx and Altera IDEs are 5+ gigs though, you've been warned...
[11:54] <shiftplusone> I'd like to do the nand2tetris thing on an FPGA, but don't have the time right now.
[11:54] <eix> Tachyon`: some years ago I was in a project which involved JTAG, reverse engineering and embedded devices programming..it was all before the Arduino age :)
[11:54] <shiftplusone> Project for later I suppose
[11:55] <Tachyon`> I've used JTAG before although not too much
[11:55] <Datalink> shiftplusone, the logic's simple enough so that's doable
[11:55] <Tachyon`> that was how I once killed a 3.3v device with 5v actually
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[11:55] <Tachyon`> I didn't pay attention to which jtag I picked up
[11:55] <eix> it's very nice to see how big has become the custom embeded devices landscape
[11:56] <Datalink> Tachyon`, the XuLA is also nice because it has the flash ROM and USB, I have mine with the header kit (yes it's seperate but some folks have their own headers) machine pins and a jumper for 5V
[11:56] <eix> Tachyon`: now imagine to reverse engineer a JTAG protocol.. ;)
[11:56] <Datalink> means I can power the board off the Pi
[11:56] <Datalink> eix, JTAG is really just SPI
[11:56] <Tachyon`> reverse engineering it, ouch
[11:57] <Datalink> some systems use different JTAGs though... it's kind of 'ehe' generic... it's usually just some form of clocking serial
[11:57] <eix> Datalink: some vendors have their own sequences to put the internal IC in listening mode, debug mode etc
[11:57] <Datalink> eix, yeah, those suck
[11:57] <eix> Datalink: although most JTAGs are just copied, and the puzzle becomes "where did they copy it from?"
[11:58] <eix> yeah..and for that kind of puzzles you really need an old guy which saw all of them. it's hard (and time-expensive) to gather the know-how otherwise
[11:59] <Datalink> http://learn.adafruit.com/096-mini-color-oled/downloads I still have to engineer a controller for this, not sure if I can get away with just SPI or if I need to also add some control pins for the #reset
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[12:01] <eix> Datalink: you will find it handy to have the reset there
[12:01] <eix> I would, if I were you
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[12:01] <eix> using a needle many times has stressful effects ;)
[12:02] <Datalink> omxplayer... doesn't work
[12:02] <eix> Datalink: yep
[12:02] <Datalink> tried with that Question Time video
[12:02] <eix> Datalink: let's say it works by chance
[12:03] <Datalink> eix, it could just be my split, I'm gonna try a higher vram
[12:03] <pasky> Hi! Is there a way to configure Raspbian to behave more robustly wrt. DHCP? I have standalone RPi that has network connectivity only over a USB wifi dongle, and for some reason, last night its DHCP address refresh request went unheard. After retrying for 2 minutes, it just shut down the interface and dhclient exitted, never trying to reconnect. I'd like it to keep trying forever instead.
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[12:04] <eix> pasky: did you already try with #raspbian?
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[12:04] <Nik05> pasky what kernel os?
[12:04] <Datalink> eix, that's somewhat of a dead channel to be honest
[12:04] <Datalink> nik05 he said raspbian
[12:04] <eix> Datalink: yeah, I was going to say the same
[12:05] <Datalink> pasky, lemme poke my head in the dhcp conigs...
[12:05] <Datalink> configs*
[12:05] <Nik05> oh ok :P
[12:05] <Nik05> sorry i just woke up
[12:05] <eix> what was that cool command line pastebin tool?
[12:05] <eix> ix.io!
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[12:07] <eix> shiftplusone: the differences from /proc/config.gz and my custom kernel are these: http://ix.io/39P
[12:07] <eix> (I use my own script to compact the differences like that :) )
[12:08] <Datalink> pasky, /etc/dhcp
[12:08] <Datalink> ....
[12:08] <Datalink> what I get for copying from commandline: /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf you can adjust the timeout and retry interval there, though if your DHCP server is sane it should respond in a reasonable amount of time with all the required info
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[12:09] <Datalink> you'll need to be root to edit the file (like all config files) and remove the # at the start of the lines you want to change, as they're commented by default for timeout and retry interval
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[12:10] <Datalink> man dhclient.conf
[12:10] <Datalink> that will explain the options in the config file in detail
[12:10] <Datalink> pasky, it'll be hard to test, but that should help ya
[12:12] <shiftplusone> eix, I don't see anything horribly wrong there, but I can't try it out myself since I have to go to work. Best of luck. There should be enough people on here soon to help you out.
[12:12] <eix> shiftplusone: yep, thanks for support!
[12:13] <shiftplusone> I didn't do anything, but you're welcome =D
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[12:15] <Datalink> eix, looks okay... I don't see anything that'd be a red flag
[12:15] <eix> Datalink: yeah, that's why it's so strange
[12:16] <Datalink> tried it with stock config.gz?
[12:16] <eix> however, I just restarted without initial_turbo=30 (by mistake) and the ext4 partition got completely screwed up
[12:16] <eix> does anybody know why initial_turbo=30 is not enforced by raspi-config? that's a shame..
[12:16] <eix> Datalink: it will be my next test
[12:18] <Datalink> eix, kinda worried your build env might turn out not to be sane
[12:19] * Datalink sets higher memory split
[12:20] <Datalink> trying at 64 for video, see if that helps my omxplayer issue
[12:20] <eix> Datalink: yeah, that's possible, given the 5-6 times I booted with overclock and got ext4 corruption
[12:21] <eix> Datalink: what is your omxplayer issue? exits without playing anything?
[12:21] <Datalink> yep
[12:21] <eix> Datalink: tried strace?
[12:21] <Datalink> didn't occur to me, hang on
[12:22] <eix> I would expect to see some permission error on /dev, and the omxplayer binary not caring for those (thus exiting in a weird way)
[12:23] <eix> I had a similar issue with other programs (not on raspberry pi though)
[12:24] <Datalink> access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[12:24] <Datalink> bam,
[12:24] <Datalink> wait... no...
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[12:28] <Datalink> http://pastebin.com/4sqrMfv2
[12:28] <eix> Datalink: this is mine: http://ix.io/39R
[12:29] <Datalink> gonna reboot and try bigger split
[12:29] <eix> does it happen only with that AVI?
[12:30] <Datalink> I have yet to get a media file to work
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[12:30] <eix> so also if you try the same as mine, python_games/badswap.wav ?
[12:31] <Datalink> ....
[12:31] <Datalink> ....................
[12:31] <Datalink> it was RAM
[12:31] <Datalink> new split worked
[12:31] <eix> Datalink: I have 128/128
[12:31] <eix> how much were you giving to vcore before?
[12:31] <Datalink> 16 ._.
[12:31] <Datalink> now it's 64
[12:32] <eix> ok..16 is not ok for an AVI..
[12:32] <Datalink> I noticed...
[12:32] <Datalink> also strace messed up the console a bit... blarg
[12:34] <eix> Datalink: it shouldn't output any escape sequence
[12:34] <japro> vcore deserves a bit of memory :D considering it provides almost all the computation power :D
[12:34] <eix> japro: ..all the computation power for video decoding, right?
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[12:35] <japro> and graphics in general
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[12:35] <japro> isn't the pi essentially a gpu with a tiny arm tacked on?
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[12:36] <nid0> basically
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[12:36] <Datalink> japro, no... the ARM's large enough for the job...
[12:36] <Datalink> (yes)
[12:36] <Datalink> hm, I wonder if it'd be possible to edit the omxplayer source to control the output size and position on the screen...
[12:36] <japro> i'd like to have another core of them though :D
[12:37] <eix> Datalink: position would be easy, output size..you need scaling logic
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[12:37] <eix> Datalink: and that would be a job for GPU
[12:37] <Datalink> true
[12:38] <Datalink> hm, I may keep this split, the video actually looks good like this...
[12:38] <japro> the gpu renders this in 1080p with 4x msaa without even triggering the scaling... but playing and mixing a vorbis audio file already eats up 25% cpu
[12:38] <japro> hrm... :D
[12:38] <Datalink> now if only vlc would fork omxplayer into the pi port
[12:38] <japro> we need GLES3 or OpenCL so we can abuse the crap out of the gpu
[12:39] <Datalink> well, for that we'd need Broadcom to get their heads out of their asses
[12:39] <japro> renders this: https://twitter.com/i/#!/JakobProgsch/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FdvhCBKIR is what i mean
[12:39] <japro> sadly GLES2 doesn't allow for float render targets
[12:39] <japro> with that alone you could do a lot
[12:40] <eix> japro: don't wait for somebody else to do it, join the people that need that as well and are already trying! ;)
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[12:40] <Datalink> datalink@raspberrypi ~ $ sudo apt-get install minecraft
[12:41] <eix> honestly I am a bit frustrated by the specs of raspberry pi. I think I'd need 2x CPU and RAM to keep up with my desires of responsiveness
[12:41] <eix> but on the other hand, it makes me do things slower..so think more ;)
[12:41] <japro> eix, well implementing GLES3 isn't something you can just do on top of what the api exposes afaic
[12:41] <eix> japro: I guess it requires porting to the vcore GPU, thus the GPU specs
[12:42] <Datalink> we need to bang on the door of Broadcom to stop sucking
[12:42] <Datalink> "hey, either implement this or open the core so we can"
[12:42] <japro> also the device having some constraints is also in the spirit of what it's there for right :D
[12:42] <eix> Broadcom is not an open source/open hardware company, afaik
[12:42] <Datalink> eix, I know...
[12:42] <japro> we are too used to throw away performance and memory anyway
[12:43] <japro> the gpu is a commercial product though?
[12:43] <japro> so at some point they hopefully want GLES3 anyway
[12:43] <eix> or we can just make our own open hardware video card, like it was in the beginning http://koo.corpus.cam.ac.uk/chaos/video16x80.jpg
[12:44] <japro> which will be nowhere close to the performance probably...
[12:44] <Datalink> eix, maybe when I figure out that display I'm working on, I'll tackle that next
[12:44] <eix> japro: there are chances they will pick up GLES3 into more recent product lines, not caring about previous models
[12:44] <Datalink> also fpgas are freaking cheap now... as is RAM...
[12:44] <eix> japro: Intel ad others do that all the time
[12:44] <Datalink> so we could easilly make our own video card
[12:44] <eix> Datalink: I was not serious on that
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[12:45] <japro> also implementing a performing GLES3 in a open source model sounds scary
[12:45] * Datalink looks up from Xilinx' IDE and awws
[12:45] <japro> considering mesa barely manages to get to ogl 3
[12:46] * Datalink tries launching minecraft on the pi...
[12:46] <japro> i guess i'll have to write picraft so people can stop trying that :D
[12:47] <Datalink> it doesn't even run XD
[12:47] <japro> i can't see minecraft not completely murdering the pi even if you managed to get it to use GLES instead of software mesa
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[12:47] <pasky> Datalink: hmm, the issue seems to be that dhclient is run with option -1
[12:47] <japro> just the chunk handling alone will instantly pop the ram
[12:48] <japro> and chunk creation will take ages
[12:48] <Datalink> pasky, that's listen...
[12:48] <Datalink> I think...
[12:48] <japro> loading a visible set of chunks even hits multicore desktop cpus pretty hard and those are multiple orders of magnitude faster
[12:48] <Datalink> who here's good with dhclient, pasky's trying to reconfigure his
[12:49] <pasky> no, -1 is that it tries to get lease only once
[12:49] <pasky> then gives up
[12:49] <pasky> I think what might help is replacing dhclient with dhcpcd
[12:49] <Datalink> you could also edit the dhclient launch script to remove the -l option
[12:49] <pasky> I'll try that
[12:50] <pasky> Datalink: yes but that might make ifup in network start script hang forever if there is no wifi network
[12:50] <japro> it's always funny how people seem to think that minecraft must be easy on the hardware because of the way it looks
[12:51] <japro> when it lots of respects it is more demanding than "real games"
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[12:52] <Datalink> yeah, there's so much procedural going on that it takes a lot of processor
[12:52] <jui-feng> I can probably code an ASCII art game that is more demanding than most real games :D
[12:52] <japro> that, and also the polygon count is pretty scary
[12:52] <Datalink> Crysis isn't doing procedural world generation
[12:53] <Datalink> jui-feng, Dwarf Fortress
[12:53] <japro> on average minecraft shows probably more polygons than most other games
[12:53] <Datalink> japro, yeah... Java-game isn't friendly polygon wise
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[12:53] <Datalink> oh right, cause of the cubes at every meter
[12:54] <eix> the RPI's ARM has Java instruction set optimizations
[12:54] <japro> most games can abuse smoothness of stuff to reduce polygon count and most of the "fidelity" comes from textures/normal maps etc
[12:54] <japro> not from high polygon counts
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[12:54] <japro> but you cant simplify cubes...
[12:54] <Datalink> eix, yeah, but it's not used by the implementation, you have to tune Java for that
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[12:55] <eix> Datalink: if I were you, I would not even try running minecraft there
[12:55] <eix> the same goes for playing a video with 64M, requirements are not met ;)
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[12:56] <Datalink> the launcher launches, it's just like "screw you" when I try to launch the actual game
[12:56] <japro> because it tries to use the mesa software opengl
[12:56] <Datalink> and my pi's X session's wedged
[12:56] <japro> it doesn't actually use the gpu
[12:57] <japro> + it most likely wants way too much memory on top of whatever the java vm already uses
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[13:00] <Datalink> blah, I miss the older x11r6 days, I knew that system... now I don't know where to find the X11 launch info
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[13:13] <trijntje> what is the maximum network speed a raspberry pi can get over it's ethernet port?
[13:13] <Draylor> its a 10/100 port, it'll do 100mbit
[13:14] <Datalink> theoretical... 100Mbit, reality, it's probably be a bit less due to overhead
[13:14] * Datalink watches WW2 era training videos on fire control computers
[13:15] <Datalink> slide cam multiplication... crazy old mechanical computer stuff we'd do on a calculator
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[13:16] <Datalink> correction 1953
[13:17] <trijntje> is 100 mbit up and download?
[13:17] <Datalink> full duplex, yes, again, there will be overhead involved so that number will include protocol stuff
[13:18] <trijntje> I only get 2.5 Mbyte on my local network, so I'm guessing it could be a bit higher
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[13:19] <tero> trijntje if you are reading/wruting from SD card that is normal speed
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[13:20] <eix> Datalink: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_I_Fire_Control_Computer fashioning
[13:20] <Datalink> trijntje, notice we've been saying bit, not byte, there's 8 bits in a byte
[13:21] <trijntje> Datalink: I noticed, so a RPi should theoretically get 12.5 Mbyte/s
[13:21] <Datalink> there's also the protocol to consider and as tero noted, you are also writing to an SD card which has a fixed rate
[13:23] <Datalink> in addition to the actual data, you have the frame header, the IP header, the transport header and possibly some overhead with the protocol (varies) these all are excluded from the Mbit/s measurement, but are a part of the protocol
[13:23] <Datalink> without them ethernet wouldn't work
[13:23] <Datalink> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP/IP
[13:25] <trijntje> I've connected an external drive to my RPi, so the read speed should not be limited by the sd card
[13:25] <trijntje> I can read 20MB/s from the external drive, according to dd
[13:26] <Datalink> trijntje, even if the download operation is the only thing going on, the Pi is still doing other background tasks to run the operating system, these also contribute to the slowdown
[13:26] <tero> trijntje well the network card is actually connected thru usb port
[13:26] <tero> and yes usb 2.0 is in theory 480mbit
[13:27] <tero> but share that bandwith with all devices
[13:27] <Datalink> heh, I forgot about that part, the USB/Ethernet PHY would be the bottleneck then, since it has to run both operations in that instance
[13:28] <trijntje> I know I shouldn't get 12.5 MB transfers, but 2.5 is so much lower that I was wondering where the bottleneck is. It could be the fact that usb and network are both using the same thing
[13:29] <Datalink> trijntje, it's very likely that, even with just writing to the SD card, I was not getting more than 900K recently, though that was a web download, it's one of the things about the RPi, it's a machine for cost, not speed, so won't break records
[13:30] <nid0> you should happily be able to push over 10MB/s to/from a decent SD card over the ethernet port
[13:30] <bircoe> Don't forget USB 2.0 is half duplex
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[13:31] <bircoe> and with the limited processing power and memory of the Pi you're never going to get blistering speeds
[13:31] <bircoe> in saying that 2.5MB/s is very slow
[13:31] <Datalink> oh right, yeah, because there's only 1 data channel, D+ and D- get sent opposite voltages together to reduce noise over distance, but they are 1 data line, 1 stream of bits
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[13:32] <Draylor> 2.5MB/s doing what trijntje ?
[13:32] <bircoe> I tested out the Pi as a SMB server and was writing at 7.5MB/s and reading at around 12MB/s from memory
[13:32] <bircoe> to a USB hard drive... not SD
[13:33] <trijntje> Draylor: nfs and apt-cacher for big files (ie new kernel, if I have a lot of small package updates the speed is lower)
[13:33] <Draylor> yeah, roughly the same numbers i see. bit over 7.5 normally right enough
[13:33] <nid0> I merrily get about 10.5-11MB/s writing from a nas to my pi, or reading from the SD to a nas
[13:33] <trijntje> nid0: what protocol?
[13:33] <nid0> sequential big file transfers though, obviously
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[13:34] <nid0> trijntje: http, nfs, and iscsi
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[13:37] <trijntje> weird, I dont get why I can't get higher speeds
[13:38] <trijntje> maybe it's not the RPi but some other hardware, like the router or other pc's that are slowing things down
[13:39] <nid0> what direct SD card speeds do you get?
[13:40] <nid0> (hdparm -t)
[13:41] <Datalink> trijntje, hardware limitations somewhere
[13:42] <trijntje> sudo hdparm -t /dev/root
[13:42] <trijntje> Timing buffered disk reads: 28 MB in 3.03 seconds = 9.23 MB/sec
[13:42] <Datalink> could be running X even, the Pi's small enugh to be fickle
[13:42] <trijntje> I'm using the RPi as a headless server, so no running X
[13:42] <Datalink> hell, I've been trying to hardware decode video for over a week, finally switched the video memory split a bit ago and watched every test video I've downloaded to my Pi as a result
[13:43] <Datalink> ok, so that is disabled?
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[13:43] <trijntje> I haven't disabled it, just not using it. And changed memory split to give minimum to the gpu
[13:44] <Datalink> if X is still running it's sitting in your memory eating resoruces
[13:45] <Datalink> you can change it easilly using sudo raspi-config and changing boot behavior there
[13:45] <jui-feng> /dev/root: Timing buffered disk reads: 50 MB in 3.07 seconds = 16.29 MB/sec -- hm!
[13:45] <jui-feng> I remember this used to be much smaller?
[13:45] <nid0> it was back in june or so
[13:45] <Draylor> firmware has improved alot over time jui-feng
[13:45] <nid0> there were a load of sd card fixes in the firmware very early on in the debian squeeze image which massively improved sd speed
[13:45] <jui-feng> Draylor, obviously. good work by the foundation.
[13:46] <Draylor> hell yeah
[13:46] <trijntje> Datalink: nice, I didn't know that. I've changed it now
[13:46] <nid0> apt-get remove lxde xserver if you arent ever gonna use a ui :p
[13:46] <Datalink> trijntje, out of sight isn't out of RAM :P
[13:47] <Datalink> nid0, it's helpful to have, honestly
[13:47] <Datalink> I run startx at least once a week for some silly thing
[13:47] <nid0> I last ran startx on any of my pi's in like may
[13:47] <Datalink> nid0, depends on individual though
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[13:48] <Datalink> Timing buffered disk reads: 62 MB in 3.09 seconds = 20.07 MB/sec
[13:48] <trijntje> I still dont have anything to connect the RPi to, so I've never even seen it's gui :P
[13:48] <trijntje> so, reading/writing the sd or external drive is not the bottleneck
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[13:49] <Datalink> trijntje, then you won't need startx as much as I will, there are ways to use X11 apps through SSH (which I do use once in a while too) which make me keep going back to X.org like some adict
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[13:49] <Datalink> addict*
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[13:50] <Datalink> yeah, running X cut my disk reads down by 5 seconds
[13:51] <Datalink> er, 5 megs per sec, give or take
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[13:52] <trijntje> stopping X and trying speed again
[13:52] <trijntje> stopping X and trying speed test again
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[13:55] <trijntje> not helping, ah well. It's not such a big deal that network speed is not that high
[13:56] <Datalink> could be worse... I used to live on 10 base T, non-duplex
[13:56] <eix> which ports shall be accessible for NFS?
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[13:57] <nid0> typically 2049 and 111
[13:57] <Datalink> 111, 2049
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[13:59] <Hoerie> <Datalink> could be worse... I used to live on 10 base T, non-duplex <-- luxury compared to 1200 baud modem
[13:59] <eix> k, thanks
[13:59] <Datalink> I used to be able to sync up to 33.6 by voice
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[14:02] <caution> can you ssh to pi to configure without ever needing a keyboard/monitor?
[14:03] <japro> remember when you literally made a schedule for that 25MB download? :D and now people scream at their monitor if a youtube video doesn't play within seconds :D
[14:03] <Hoerie> I used to take all night to download something like 350kb
[14:04] <caution> can I ssh straight to Raspbian ?wheezy? or do I need to do some configuration first?
[14:05] <trijntje> caution: ssh is enabled by default
[14:06] <trijntje> I did the same thing
[14:06] <eix> caution: go ahead
[14:06] <Hoerie> used to have this: http://www.plccenter.com/buy/Hayes/6802US <-- apparently still being sold for > $100,-
[14:06] <caution> what are the login credentials?
[14:06] <eix> caution: pi / raspberry
[14:07] <caution> thanks
[14:07] <eix> Hoerie: ahah, what a dear price tag
[14:08] <japro> we now need someone to get all angry for people hacking his password so we can post this to a quote site
[14:08] <Hoerie> I saw it for $500 on ebay too :-)
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[14:09] <Datalink> japro, first boot forces the raspi-config which gives a password change option, he'll be fine
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[14:13] <eix> japro: if he was going to use the raspberry pi on the public internet, he should know something of security
[14:14] <eix> japro: there are many reasons to keep the default password
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[14:18] <japro> i was more thinking that someone should be like "omg, pi/raspberry is also my login, you stole my password!" :p
[14:19] <japro> wasn't really serious ;)
[14:19] <eix> ahah
[14:20] <eix> however, security is a serious thing >:(
[14:20] <ReggieUK> anyone know how to create a .spec file for gcc?
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[14:21] <ReggieUK> in fact, that should be 'anyone know how to create a gcc .spec file for scratchbox2?'
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[14:25] <eix> damn..mounting NFS does not work
[14:25] <eix> how can I troubleshoot that?
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[14:26] <ReggieUK> pastebin what commands you're using to mount the nfs share and the error that is thrown when it fails?
[14:27] <eix> ReggieUK: I am not waiting for the mount to complete, I expect it would end up with a timeout
[14:29] <eix> ReggieUK: that's my fstab line on the client: http://ix.io/39T
[14:30] <nid0> thats gotta be the longest nfs mount line ever
[14:30] <ReggieUK> indeed
[14:31] <eix> it worked the other way round (raspberry as client and current client as server)
[14:31] <eix> my exports line is fair simple: /mnt/p1 eixclient(rw,nohide,no_subtree_check)
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[14:31] <eix> and eixclient is defined in /etc/hosts to be 192.168.1.10
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[14:35] <eix> how can I check on server end if NFS is getting something?
[14:35] <nid0> does messages on the server log anything when you try to connect?
[14:35] <nid0> also, try taking down the firewalls entirely on both systems for now to be on the safe side
[14:35] <nid0> I also assume you have set the pi up to use nfs4 rather than 3?
[14:36] <eix> nid0: tried with firewall down (on server end, there's no firewall on client end)
[14:37] <eix> nid0: I think the pi is using nfs4
[14:37] <eix> nid0: nothing is logged when the client tries to connect
[14:37] <ReggieUK> you could always put nfs3 instead, just for giggles
[14:37] <eix> I will try nfs3
[14:38] <eix> however I'd like to have some logging also
[14:38] <eix> same effect with nfs3
[14:39] <eix> idmapd is running on server, so I think it's NFS4
[14:39] <nid0> when you tried it the other way round are you using nfs3 or 4?
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[14:40] <eix> ok, I think I found something
[14:43] <eix> this is amazing
[14:43] <eix> looks like my client has 2 ip addresses
[14:43] * eix WTF moment
[14:44] <eix> nid0: it was nfs4
[14:47] <eix> ok, I never had such an issue. how can it be that I have two addresses, although only 1 is configured?
[14:48] <eix> I can ping the ghost address from both raspberry pi and laptop, and the MAC is matching
[14:50] <Ryanteck> hmm
[14:50] <Ryanteck> If you accidently plugged 5V into 3V3
[14:50] <Ryanteck> Would it instantly blow up
[14:50] <Ryanteck> or would it take a little bit of time
[14:51] <ReggieUK> it's all relative
[14:52] <ReggieUK> to the components that are in the way
[14:52] <Ryanteck> if you accidently did it for like a second?
[14:52] <Ryanteck> I hope not, I think i saw the 5v pin from my serial connector in the 3v3
[14:52] <Ryanteck> I guess something would have sparked
[14:53] <Ryanteck> Oh well, its all working
[14:53] <ReggieUK> seems like you got lucky
[14:53] <Ryanteck> yeh
[14:53] <Ryanteck> Not sure how it got plugged in anyway
[14:53] <Ryanteck> I can't remember plugging it in
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[14:54] <Ryanteck> If anything I tought I unplugged it
[14:54] <Ryanteck> meh
[14:54] <Ryanteck> Time to go work on my next project
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[15:02] <eix> so here we have this great piece of technology, my home router, that will put in its ARP the DHCP proposed address, although I did not ask for any (using static IP). and then will eventually send some packets by using that IP
[15:02] <eix> that's..just great
[15:02] <eix> it even survives a reboot
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[15:31] <gordonDrogon> what's next, Ryanteck ?
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[15:42] <ThunderTree> Hi All. Having problems with my first attempt at raspberry pi. Im running in qemu environment while i have it tested. But getting /dev/tty1 cannot open problems. Anyone any pointers
[15:42] <ThunderTree> Raspian Wheezy
[15:43] <ThunderTree> Downloaded direct, and via torrent.
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[15:51] <ThunderTree> hmmm. Armel image works. Wonder if its one of those things.
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[15:53] <gordonDrogon> ThunderTree, not have a real Pi yet?
[15:54] <JamesHarrison> Anyone seen "INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" on boot?
[15:55] <JamesHarrison> Preceded by 10 "Authentication failure" messages, just after INIT enters runlevel 2
[15:55] <JamesHarrison> (Raspbian, fresh install, I am getting confused and annoyed at my Pis now for they all seem to be dying)
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[15:56] <ThunderTree> gordonDrogon: Yes, but want to configure it on qemu first on my pc so dont have to faff on tv.
[15:56] <ThunderTree> JamesHarrison: You seem to run into imilar trouble as i have.
[15:56] <ThunderTree> JamesHarrison: What probs are reported before it?
[15:57] <JamesHarrison> ThunderTree: Had lots of fun with ethernet and USB both losing power and reinitializing after some time
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[15:58] <ThunderTree> JamesHarrison: Hmm. Im no expert - but how you powering the unit?
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> ThunderTree, just plug it in...
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> and turn it on.
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> it should work fine on a TV.
[15:58] <JamesHarrison> ThunderTree: 5V, 1A, micro USB
[15:59] <JamesHarrison> Has been previously working fine and stable for many weeks
[15:59] <JamesHarrison> No overclock or overvolting.
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> well the sun is shining, so I'm going to fire up the barby!
[16:02] <Draylor> hah
[16:02] <Draylor> got sun
[16:02] <Draylor> but 8C isnt really the temp for a barby
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[16:10] <ThunderTree> Draylor: Looks like your in my area :-)
[16:12] <ThunderTree> .
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[16:14] <Milos> What was it about the Raspberry Pi's GPIO pins for power that people had to be careful about? Was it that GPIO power doesn't go through a fuse and/or regulator, or something else?
[16:14] <nid0> yeah that, there's no regulation on the gpio power
[16:15] <nid0> so you need to make sure its coming from a decent regulated supply
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> the 5v is via a polyfuse.
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> the 3.3v isn't directly, but since it's taken off the 5v supply it gets the benefit of that one.
[16:15] <Milos> But the GPIO power /is/ fused?
[16:16] <Milos> Just not regulated?
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> don't try to take more than 15mA from each GPIO pin either.
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> it's all regulated.
[16:16] <Milos> Nah I was talking about powering the raspberry pi.
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> and it's fused - via the 700mA polyfuse.
[16:16] <Milos> Not powering devices fro it.
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> Ah.
[16:16] <Milos> s/fro/from/
[16:16] <Milos> And it's not...
[16:16] <Milos> As I just established.
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> right - yes - you must feed it 5V regulated.
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> I've done that in the past. works fine.
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> don't try to feed it 3.3v - it generates that from the 5v.
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> and it may be to your advantage to fuse or otherwise protect the 5v supply you're feeding it with, but ...
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[16:33] <vlt> Hello. Is it possible to run Google Chrome and its latest Flash (12.3) on a Pi?
[16:33] <johang> chrome yes. flash probably no.
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[16:35] <vlt> johang: Hmmm, I need to use flash for only one website with a broken player that???s not supported by my Linux Flash 11.2 :/
[16:36] <vlt> Are there any German users here who managed to watch the Tatort live stream from ARD-Mediathek on an RPI?
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[16:38] <ThunderTree> When you power on the pi (just got it) I only have me red light on. It flashes green OK for a couple of times, then just the red constandly.
[16:39] <IT_Sean> Anything displayed on screen?
[16:39] <Maqs> ThunderTree: http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Power_.2F_Start-up
[16:39] <ReggieUK> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Green_LED_blinks_in_a_specific_pattern
[16:39] <ReggieUK> is it just 2 green flashes?
[16:42] <jui-feng> vlt, AFAIK the only player that works for the raspi is "omxplayer". I'm not sure if it supports video streams..?
[16:43] <ThunderTree> goes green, green-green. pause few green short flashes. Then nothing but red :-)_
[16:44] <ThunderTree> hmm. Gonna try another image.
[16:44] <vlt> jui-feng: Thanks. The program content is only offered for flash. I don???t even know whether there???s a video stream URL I could feed to vlc or similar on an x86 machine.
[16:44] <jui-feng> vlt, forget about flash :(
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[16:45] <vlt> jui-feng: I never ever use flash. I???m just trying to find a solution to stream tonight???s ARD program.
[16:45] <ThunderTree> Thanks guys. will try another image, and see how that goes.
[16:45] <jui-feng> vlt, XBMC has an add on for the ZDF Mediathek.. and XBMC works on the pi
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[16:45] <vlt> jui-feng: But ZDF works in HTML too.
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[16:46] <vlt> jui-feng: Not the ARD. And the Mediathek plugins like MediathekView only work with archived programs, not live streams.
[16:46] <dreamon_> I added "/etc/init.d/networking start" in etc/rc.locale to get a wlan connection after reboot. But my time is 2hours to late. dont know why. what can I do. Wireless works great
[16:46] <Davespice> folks, is everyone watching the Red Bull jump...
[16:47] <Davespice> they're go for launch it looks like :)
[16:47] <tripgod> Davespice, is that on right now?
[16:47] <tripgod> gimme a link
[16:47] <Davespice> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrIxH6DToXQ
[16:47] <Davespice> bridge has been retracted, baloon is being inflated right now
[16:48] <vlt> Davespice: The page says ???Missing plugin??? o_O Is there a stream I can see w/o Flash?
[16:48] <ThunderTree> Davespice: No way, was looking everywhere to see if he did it, to find out it was called off. Anywhere i can watch it live?
[16:48] <ThunderTree> Davespice: - Oh, that is live?
[16:48] <Davespice> you can try; http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/ but I think the red bull site is overloaded right now
[16:49] <Pulser> are there any known issues that would stop ethernet from working? (the LEDs on the board don't flicker, and the PC doesn't show a connection being established)
[16:49] <vlt> Davespice: ???Mising plugin??? again.
[16:50] <jui-feng> vlt, there must be some kind of public flv stream for Tatort, but difficult to tell before it starts... and it won't help you with the pi.
[16:50] <tripgod> 768k people watching
[16:50] <Davespice> they're off!
[16:50] <vlt> stream url anyone?
[16:50] <Pulser> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrIxH6DToXQ
[16:50] <ThunderTree> Davespice: How long till he gets up there? 6 hours i think if i remember.
[16:50] <Pulser> for stratos
[16:50] <tripgod> http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/
[16:50] <Davespice> I think the ascent is two hours
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[16:51] <vlt> Pulser: ???Mising plugin???. That doesn???t look like a video stream to me.
[16:51] <Pulser> on the youtube page?
[16:51] <vlt> Pulser: Yes.
[16:51] <Pulser> ahhh sorry, that's just a regular youtube link
[16:51] <Davespice> the truck must drive forwards for a while until the baloon gets enough height to take up all the slack
[16:51] <Pulser> I dunno if there's an underlying flv
[16:52] * vlt googles stratos stream url
[16:52] <Pulser> right now I'm trying to rack my brains to work out what could be wrong with ethernet tbh... :P
[16:52] <Pulser> It worked fine, put my pi away safely in the box for a month or so
[16:52] <Pulser> take it out, no ethernet working :(
[16:52] <Pulser> tried new ArchLinux image, new raspbmc, and old arch...
[16:52] <ThunderTree> 800000 people watching. hah.
[16:53] <Pulser> wow 800k people!
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[16:54] <tripgod> nice weather there in roswell
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[16:55] <ThunderTree> and counting.
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[16:56] <ThunderTree> btw - looks like it was the image.
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[16:58] <ThunderTree> what's overscan?
[16:59] <UnaClocker> Most TV's aren't EXACTLY 1080p resolution, they round it up/down to fit the glass. Overscan is a way of dealing with that.
[16:59] <dreamon_> dpkg-reconfigure tzdata -> corrected time.
[17:00] <tripgod> overscan is the extra area around the normal video image window
[17:00] <ThunderTree> aah. Cheers.
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[17:00] <tripgod> it was needed because CRT TVs back in the day (1940s) varied in picture size
[17:00] <ThunderTree> cheers all.
[17:01] <ThunderTree> That guy in the baloon is dragging it out :-D
[17:03] <tripgod> When is the projected time for the actual jump?
[17:04] <hugorodrigues> the latest firmware improved the analog audio. do you guys think that there is room for more improvment?
[17:06] <plugwash> ThunderTree, overscan is a historical artifact dating from the days when TVs were tube based analog devices
[17:07] <plugwash> the designers of TV standards felt that people didn't want black borders but TVs were neither perfectly square or perfectly consistent
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[17:08] <plugwash> So TV standards made the size of the transmitted picture bigger than the area that was gauranteed to be displayed onscreen (and hence had to contain the meaninful content)
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[17:09] <plugwash> This idea has been carried forward into the digital era even though it serves no real purpose anymore.
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[17:11] <plugwash> and it's a PITA when you want to use a TV as a monitor. In it's default setup if you feed a 1920x1080 image into many 1080p TVs the TV will scale it up losing the edges of the image and making the image less sharp
[17:11] <tripgod> omg check out this timeline. so cool. http://www.redbullstratos.com/the-mission/mission-timeline/
[17:12] <plugwash> to avoid losing the edges of the image (and the critical stuff that is usually contained in those edges on a PC screen) the Pi by default includes a border to compensate for overscan
[17:13] <plugwash> ideally for best results you want to turn off overscan on the TV and then turn off the "overscan" setting (should really be called overscan compensation IMO) on the Pi
[17:13] <plugwash> but not all TVs can turn it off and the way of turning it off varies between TVs
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[17:16] <Davespice> looks like we might have a green light for launch now folks...
[17:16] <Davespice> they've just removed the silver tube from the cockpit
[17:17] <ThunderTree> lol. Girlfriend shit herself when i went out to shops. Sound came on on the video;.
[17:17] <tripgod> over a million people watching now
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[17:25] <tripgod> we have audio
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[17:26] <Davespice> here w go
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[17:30] <tripgod> here we go
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[17:30] <eix> Davespice: refresh my memory: he will go where there is basically no atmosphere, just a very thin one?
[17:31] <tripgod> 120k feet
[17:32] <Davespice> eix: yeah 120,000 feet, your body would explode without the space suit, but not quite space
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[17:32] <blackspike> hi. don't know if this is the right place to get help, but I'm having trouble setting up MySQL on my new Pi.
[17:33] <tripgod> sorry. we're just watching the jump right now
[17:33] <tripgod> all technical questions on hold
[17:34] <blackspike> oh, is that now? Cool!
[17:34] <tripgod> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrIxH6DToXQ
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[17:40] <hugorodrigues> tripgod: http://www.youtube.com/redbull
[17:41] <tripgod> Felix doesn't know proper radio etiquette
[17:41] <tripgod> you're supposed to call out numbers digit by digit. not all together.
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[17:41] <tripgod> can barely understand
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[17:42] <eix> I think this numbers reading is pointless
[17:42] <eix> just for the show
[17:42] <tripgod> it looks like he's reading off a checklist
[17:42] <eix> tripgod: do you really think they can stream HD video and not some numbers?
[17:42] <tripgod> and it also gives Felix something to do, so he doesn't get nervous
[17:43] <eix> yeah, probably to keep him busy. but if he knows it's pointless, it's not helping either
[17:43] <tripgod> yes, they can stream HD video.
[17:43] <oldtopman> What are you watching :o
[17:43] <ThunderTree> hope that balloon dont pop. Its pretty high.
[17:44] <eix> ThunderTree: there are 2 parachutes there
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[17:45] <eix> also that old guy..it's just a show..
[17:45] <eix> Felix doesn't sound really happy..ahah
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[17:46] <tripgod> at 1000 ft/min, it's going to take another 2 hours
[17:47] <Davespice> almost two million viewers now
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[17:48] <eix> I think Felix's face says: they did not pay me enough
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[17:50] <ThunderTree> faster ascend = pop? :-D
[17:51] <eix> ThunderTree: nah. I would be more worried about eventual tidal forces met in the ascent
[17:51] <techsurvivor> http://www.youtube.com/redbull :D
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[17:53] <ReggieUK> apart from landing, is there much of a purpose to this?
[17:53] <eix> I think the nasty part will be descent
[17:55] <tripgod> he's in a space suit. the descent will be fine
[17:55] <tripgod> It'd be something else if he weren't in a suit.
[17:55] <techsurvivor> .o 2 http://www.youtube.com/embed/MrIxH6DToXQ
[17:55] <ReggieUK> the landing is the tricky part
[17:55] <eix> tripgod: yeah mach1 descent?
[17:56] <ReggieUK> although you wouldn't want to hit a bird at that kind of speed I'm guessing
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[17:56] <IT_Sean> Not many birds @ the edge of space.
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[17:57] <ReggieUK> I was thinking closer to earth, where birds might actually be
[17:57] <eix> if your capsule is not aerodynamic, it will get hot also
[17:57] <ReggieUK> on his way down
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[17:58] <ReggieUK> I still want to know what the actual purpose is?
[17:58] <ReggieUK> do something crazy fuelled by redbull?
[17:59] <eix> ReggieUK: yeah
[17:59] <eix> performance art + branding?
[18:00] * eix sees similarity with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Buzz-lightyear-toy-story-3-wallpaper.jpg
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[18:01] <eix> a good slice of people might be there just in case something goes wrong, to see it live
[18:01] <ThunderTree> Its when/if he breaks the barrier - that will be interesting.
[18:01] <eix> yep
[18:01] <ReggieUK> in what way interesting?
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[18:02] <eix> to see if he survives, of course
[18:03] <nicdev> i built xbmc based on the instructions here http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC, when trying to start it, i just get a blank screen
[18:03] <nicdev> any idea on what i might be missing?
[18:03] <ReggieUK> why did you build it yourself?
[18:04] <ReggieUK> there are distros already out there (unless you just wanted to of course)
[18:04] <ReggieUK> rasbmc, xbian
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[18:04] <Peetz0r> .sb
[18:04] <Peetz0r> oops
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[18:05] <eix> it would be interesting if they did not already try this jump with a crash test dummy. did they?
[18:06] <nicdev> ReggieUK: i just wanted to for the fun of it
[18:06] <tripgod> yeah, this jump is bullshit
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[18:07] <ThunderTree> how long for the descent?
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[18:08] <ReggieUK> just so we're all clear, we have a 'no foul language rule' on #raspberrypi :-)
[18:08] <CR48_Sean> WHich is clearly posted in the topic
[18:09] <tripgod> got it
[18:09] <japro> that is considered "foul language" will vary greatly though depending on where you are
[18:09] <japro> what no "that"
[18:09] <ukscone> ReggieUK: chicken, goose, duck, pheasant
[18:10] <ukscone> lots of fowl language there :)
[18:10] <eix> japro: and age, also
[18:10] <Peetz0r> is there anyone <16 in here?
[18:10] <ReggieUK> japro, it will but what really matters is what the ops here consider foul language
[18:10] <ReggieUK> and we have a low bar
[18:11] <ReggieUK> and are prone to mood swings
[18:11] <Peetz0r> mood swings, right :p
[18:11] <Peetz0r> Anyway, back ontopic.
[18:11] <ukscone> ReggieUK gets really cranky if he hasn't had his coffee or has low blood sugar
[18:11] <Peetz0r> I'm gonna serach the logs for a photo I posted here some days ago :p
[18:12] <japro> "<moderator> is taken by a fey mood" ... "moderator has started a mysterious construction"
[18:13] <Peetz0r> found it: http://i.imgur.com/zH24h.jpg
[18:13] <Peetz0r> That's my electricity meter, and I want to monitor it using a old webcam connected to my RPi
[18:13] <Peetz0r> which I've just tried, but there's not enough light
[18:13] <Peetz0r> has anyone tried something like this before?
[18:13] <CR48_Sean> Simple enough. Just write a program to watch the black stripe on the disk.
[18:14] <Amadiro> Anybody tried the Terratec Aureon Dual USB soundcard? Does it work right out-of-the-box?
[18:14] <CR48_Sean> People do it all the type with a little light sensor
[18:14] <CR48_Sean> You don't even need a webcam
[18:14] <Peetz0r> CR48_Sean: I don't have light sensors, othen than this webcam
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[18:15] <Peetz0r> I'd really like a led light which I can power from usb right now
[18:15] <CR48_Sean> Using a webcam is going to be a lot more difficult. You will have to parse the video data looking for the blac stripe to pass a fixed point
[18:15] <japro> if you are using the webcam it might actually be easier to recognize the numbers
[18:15] <Peetz0r> yeah, using a proper sensor would make morse sense, but I can't find one around here
[18:16] <japro> considering they are always the same and in the same place matching the best pattern should be fairly straight forward
[18:16] <Peetz0r> japro: I want to measure more than just whole kwh's
[18:16] <Peetz0r> one disk rotation is 1/375 kwh
[18:16] <CR48_Sean> YOur best bet is to get a sensor that can watch for the stripe to go by. That is how EVERYBODY that wants to monitor that type of meter does it
[18:17] <Peetz0r> where do I find such hardware for a decent price?
[18:17] <CR48_Sean> Just about any electronics reseller.
[18:17] <Peetz0r> and I assume i can connect that to the gpio pins?
[18:17] <CR48_Sean> Mouser, etc... i would think.
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[18:17] <gordonDrogon> Hm. no live feed of the skydive...
[18:17] <CR48_Sean> You'll need some other bits and bobs, of course.
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[18:18] <Peetz0r> CR48_Sean: where do I find a decent electronics reseller where I live (or anywhere else which doesn't charge hight shipping costs)
[18:18] <CR48_Sean> Google is your firend.
[18:18] <CR48_Sean> *friend
[18:18] <Peetz0r> google told me there is no such store
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[18:18] <Peetz0r> so that's why I tried to use a webcam :p\
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[18:19] <CR48_Sean> Okay, you CAN use a webcam, but, as i said, you will have to write the code to parse the video data to detect when the stripe goes by,
[18:19] <eix> gordonDrogon: ah. why?
[18:19] <eix> Peetz0r: order it online from UK, easier
[18:19] <gordonDrogon> eix, why not? I used to do a lot of skydiving myself and am just curious ...
[18:19] <eix> Peetz0r: but also Farnell in NL will be fine
[18:19] <eix> gordonDrogon: I mean: why is it offline now?
[18:20] <Peetz0r> I don't have the money to pay ???10 for just shipping
[18:20] <Peetz0r> actuallt, the RPi is already very expensive to me
[18:20] <eix> Peetz0r: it's less than 10EUR
[18:20] <Peetz0r> how much less?
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> eix, oh - I don't know, I only looked at the BBC news site - is there another site with live coverage?
[18:20] <eix> Peetz0r: and if you give any value to your time, the webcam-OCR way is *a lot* more expensive
[18:20] <canton7> gordonDrogon, www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MrIxH6DToXQ#!
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[18:21] <Peetz0r> eix: my time is free
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> canton7, a-ha... thanks.
[18:21] <Peetz0r> (on sundays anyway)
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[18:23] <eix> Peetz0r: this time I did the search for you. http://nl.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.jsp?N=2021+202675&Ntk=gensearch&Ntt=fotodetector&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial
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[18:31] <gordonDrogon> Peetz0r, does your meter not have a flashing LED?
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[18:32] <aaa801> ReggieUK: you see about those 512mb pi's
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[18:38] <ReggieUK> yes
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[18:41] <eix> what is it about?
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[18:42] <eix> what happens if I order it?
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[18:44] <eix> description is not available, but possible to checkout :s
[18:48] <Peetz0r> gordonDrogon: nope, no leds, just the rotating disc (and the numbers)
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[18:49] <gordonDrogon> Peetz0r, do you think you could bounce a laser off the disk and pickup the data from it via a photodiode?
[18:51] <IT_Sean> Could do.
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[18:59] <eix> does anybody know about a cheap thermometer to attach?
[18:59] <IT_Sean> Peetz0r, are you sure there are no IR LEDs? Some meters have those, and it is possible to decide the data there for usage info
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> eix, one of the 1-wire ones?
[19:04] <eix> gordonDrogon: not sure actually
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[19:06] <gordonDrogon> eix, some of the others I've used are not cheap, but are easy to interface digitally.
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[19:10] <eix> can I use some GPIO as analog input?
[19:11] <InControl> not directly no
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> I have used one to sample an analogue quantity, but it's a bit of a hack.
[19:12] <InControl> the Raspberry Pi GPIO are digital
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> however it was good enough for The Woz.
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> I managed to get a 0-100 reading from a simple LDR light sensor...
[19:13] <eix> gordonDrogon: how?
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[19:13] <zgreg> hi
[19:14] <InControl> You can always use MCP3002 to have 2 analogue connections
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> eix, well... Woz's solution involved a 555 timer - mine used more software to simulate it.
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[19:14] <zgreg> what's up with the rumor that all new model b boards will have 512 MB RAM?
[19:14] <InControl> then you can connect a thermister or analogue temperature sensor
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[19:15] <gordonDrogon> eix, you need 2 GPIO pins. The circuit is like this: GPIO Pin -> 100R -> LDR --+--> Capacitor -> 0v
[19:15] <InControl> might find this useful http://raspi.tv/2012/using-temperature-sensors-with-gertboard-and-the-raspberry-pi-tmp36-and-lm335z
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> the + is connected to the 2nd GPIO via another 100R resistor.
[19:15] <eix> ah..
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> you use the first to charge the cap, when the 2nd reads high, then you set the first to 0 then wait for the 2nd to read low - repeat, and time the time it takes to charge/discharge and that's then proportional to the voltage.
[19:17] <eix> niice hack :)
[19:17] <eix> but I'd go for SDI
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> SPI.
[19:20] <eix> *SPI
[19:20] <eix> sorry
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[19:30] <gordonDrogon> nearly 5 millions viewers on youtube now. that's not uninpressive..
[19:31] <ReggieUK> but it still won't make me buy red bull products :)
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> ditto.
[19:33] <johang> but I bet lots of others will
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[19:36] <gordonDrogon> what do you reckon is the best way to tell I'm running on a Pi ...
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> (as opposed to a.n.other linux system)
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[19:41] <buZz> eix: you can sample DS18B20 for free
[19:43] <aaa801> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MrIxH6DToXQ
[19:43] <aaa801> hes about to jumpy
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[19:44] <gordonDrogon> the commentator is really dull. I'll re-watch it on the BBC in 4-weeks time - it'll be better then I hope..
[19:45] <ReggieUK> there's not really much commentary you can do for something that goes straight up
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[19:49] <ThunderTree> he has heat!!
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[19:50] <zgreg> the last try to do such a high sky jump failed
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> Highest I jumped out a plane was a mere 17,500' ..
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[19:51] <gordonDrogon> has the sound gone or is it me?
[19:52] <Davespice> folks, the Red Bull jump, he's going through the egress procedure now...
[19:52] <ReggieUK> it's you
[19:52] <jui-feng> sound works @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrIxH6DToXQ
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[19:53] <gordonDrogon> bother.
[19:53] <aaa801> there just doing the last checks
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> crappy linux sound.
[19:54] <aaa801> lol
[19:55] <aaa801> update the kernel modules, recompile alsa
[19:55] <aaa801> :p
[19:55] <aaa801> pray
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> sigh
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[19:56] <ReggieUK> you're not missing much
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[19:56] <ReggieUK> ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[19:56] <ReggieUK> is about it atm
[19:56] <aaa801> sssssssssssssssssssss
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> picture is ok, but sometimes my PC gives up on sound.
[19:57] <aaa801> BOOM
[19:57] <aaa801> Thats a nice capsule you have there
[19:57] <aaa801> be a shame if anything where to happen to it
[19:57] <home> so
[19:57] <aaa801> btw did anyone else see the emergency stop button on the outside of the capsule
[19:57] <aaa801> what the heck is that for =/
[19:57] <home> I need to compile raspberry pi using ltib
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> open the pod-bay door, Hal ...
[19:58] <aaa801> home: O_o??
[19:58] <home> aaa801: its too keep idiots like you questioning :D
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> Oh, I have sound again.
[19:58] <home> aaa801: I kid, its a suicide button
[19:58] <aaa801> sounds like the noise my water tank makes
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[20:01] <gordonDrogon> think he's go for 130,000?
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> it's more or less stopped going up though.
[20:01] <ReggieUK> it was calculated to level off around 125,000ft
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> yes, it's actually going down now!
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[20:03] <zgreg> what are they waiting for now?
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> capsule pressure equalising?
[20:04] <zgreg> it was almost there 1-2 minutes ago already
[20:04] <zgreg> oh, door's open
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> all or nothing now...
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> here am I sitting in my tin-can ...
[20:05] <Hodapp> zomg you're all watching too?
[20:05] <jui-feng> tell my wife I love her very much.. she knows. <3
[20:05] <Hodapp> CAN YOU HEAR ME MAJOR TOM, CAN YOU HEEEEEEEEEEEEAARRRRRRRR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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[20:06] <ReggieUK> I'd laugh if he looked out teh door and shouted 'Nah' and came back in
[20:06] <eix> damn..I get error on youtube :(
[20:06] <ReggieUK> little shake of the head as he does it and loads of apologies
[20:06] <Hodapp> language!
[20:06] <UnaClocker> dagnabbit
[20:07] <Hodapp> the suspense is killing me
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[20:07] <ReggieUK> speak up felix
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[20:08] <Hodapp> whooooa
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[20:08] <Hodapp> 20... 25... okay, he just beat my own free-fall record
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> looks like he was tumbling.
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> spinning..
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> and stable. cool!
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[20:10] <eix> so he's not melting?
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> not yet..
[20:10] <UnaClocker> Melting, cooking???
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> guess we won't know if he beat sound until they check his on-board instruments.
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> hm. didn't get the longest freefall then.
[20:13] <Hodapp> didn't quite hit mach 1 either
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> was that shown?
[20:13] <ReggieUK> estimated speed was shown yes
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> must have missed that one.
[20:14] <ReggieUK> it was quick
[20:14] <Draylor> was shown for 1st min or so of freefall
[20:14] <UnaClocker> http://www.neonsquirt.com/pi_memory.jpg Ram upgrade? :)
[20:14] <Draylor> after that they switched it for a freefall timer
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> I have the right third of the screen obscured by this window. hm.
[20:15] <ReggieUK> it was at the top middle
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> obviously not paying attention!
[20:18] <Hodapp> w00t survival and new record
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[20:18] <home> ddint beat freefal
[20:18] <home> what a faggot
[20:18] <home> i kid
[20:18] <home> AWESME
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[20:18] <aaa801> someone give that guy a cheezburger
[20:19] <Hodapp> ...wtf, who is 'home' and why did he just say that and leave?
[20:20] <jui-feng> probably realized that what he said could be considered foul language :D and left before the kick
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> ah well, that wa sa fun half hour. now to run a bath I think.
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[20:21] <UnaClocker> 512mb Pi's from now on? Sweet.
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[20:22] <mythos> what 512 mb? ram? news *_*?
[20:22] <aaa801> http://uk.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b-512mb/dp/2191863?COM=e14_RaspberryPi
[20:22] <zgreg> apparently farnell will now simply put 512 MB on all new pis
[20:23] <zgreg> somehow somehow a cheap source for 512 Mb PoP chips turned up, I guess
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[20:23] <ThunderTree> the end.
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[20:23] <mythos> is it possible now to boot the pi without that firmware-blob?
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[20:24] <zgreg> mythos: no
[20:24] <mythos> darn...
[20:24] <des2> How could RS still sell PIs if only Farnell is doing 512MB ?
[20:24] <mythos> but thanks, zgreg =)
[20:24] <UnaClocker> http://www.element14.com/community/thread/19691?start=0&tstart=0
[20:24] <zgreg> mythos: this will never be possible, most probably
[20:24] <UnaClocker> That's the thread about the ram increase.
[20:24] <InControl> OMG
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[20:25] <zgreg> des2: I am not sure if RS are actually still selling pis
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[20:25] <InControl> Another speedbump in the Pi road
[20:25] <mythos> zgreg, you think? my last information was, that the bsd-guys are working on it
[20:25] <zgreg> just look at the lead times...
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[20:25] <UnaClocker> I have a couple Pi projects that are fine at 256mb, but I wouldn't mind having ONE with 512.. :)
[20:26] <des2> Well Farnell is getting the ones made in UK that have a short lead time, while RS is getting theirs on a slow boat from China.
[20:26] <zgreg> mythos: well, it will be a HUGE undertaking
[20:26] <InControl> going to cancel my RS order now
[20:26] <zgreg> mythos: the "GPU" code does actually do a lot more than just booting linux
[20:27] <mythos> zgreg, the gpu-code is an os in itself, i know ;)
[20:27] <ReggieUK> yeah, that's ok, I'll catch up with 'home' sooner or later :)
[20:28] <mythos> zgreg, but i don't need the gpu und i would be fine without any gpu at all
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[20:28] <aaa801> GUYS
[20:28] <aaa801> GUYS!!!
[20:28] <aaa801> BACK TO THE FUTURE IS ON ON ITV2
[20:28] <mythos> <-- europe
[20:28] <mythos> and i don't even have a tv
[20:29] * SpeedEvil has plans for a hover board.
[20:29] * aaa801 Steals SpeedEvils plans
[20:29] <ThunderTree> hmm. Every time i put wless stick in me pi, hard ethernet drops out :-.
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> alas, no cash, and it'd be very illegal.
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> aaa801, they ran I & II the past 2 days...
[20:29] <aaa801> ThunderTree, use a powered hub
[20:29] <des2> "270 in stock for next working day delivery (UK stock)"
[20:29] <zgreg> mythos: it doesn't work with the gpu :)
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> not to mention loud.
[20:29] <aaa801> doet
[20:29] * InControl not got a tv either
[20:29] <mythos> zgreg, darn... ;)
[20:30] * aaa801 has a satellite reciever running a awesome linux app that decrypts everything for him for free
[20:30] <zgreg> all memory access must be managed through the gpu. and the gpu also does a couple of essential bookkeeping tasks
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> I'm not sure Pi's ought to have 512MB.
[20:30] <aaa801> why?
[20:30] <gordonDrogon> If they do then people will develop stuff for 512MB which will alienate the others.
[20:30] <ThunderTree> aaa801: thanks.
[20:30] <zgreg> in fact, the ARM should be seen as a kind of coprocessor of the GPU
[20:30] <aaa801> anyone managed to rip the gpu code apart yet
[20:30] <UnaClocker> The 256mb ones will still be good as XBMC media players, or embedded microcontroller type applications.
[20:31] <InControl> should have at least called it model C or something
[20:31] <piney0> if they get 512m then people will complain they dont have 1g
[20:32] <UnaClocker> I'm using 2 Pi as XBMC players, and 3 as Microcontrollers.. I only use one as a computer, that'd be the one I want to have 512mb..
[20:32] <aaa801> all linux stuff i try and run on my pi tends to crash out after like 30mins
[20:32] <aaa801> just completly locks
[20:32] <aaa801> =/
[20:32] <UnaClocker> XBMC certainly doesn't need more ram, the original XBox it was developed for only has 32mb..
[20:32] <mythos> zgreg, sounds... promising...
[20:33] <zgreg> it's not impossible, but certainly very hard to replace the GPU code
[20:33] <aaa801> http://i.imgur.com/A0MoP.jpg
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[20:34] <s5fs> aaa801: yes, we read reddit too
[20:34] <aaa801> NOES
[20:34] * aaa801 runs off
[20:34] <s5fs> nose.
[20:34] <ThunderTree> wonder what would happen if i plugged my phone into the pi usb port.
[20:34] <zgreg> youtube is overloaded? :D
[20:35] <SpeedEvil> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abigail_and_Brittany_Hensel aaa801
[20:35] <aaa801> why would you link to the mobile site damit
[20:35] <des2> "I ordered a Pi a week ago and I received it today, I got a paper stating 'RASPBERRY PI WITH 512 MB RAM, Thank You For Your Order, We have a little surprise for you, Inside the box is a new Rasberry Pi with 512MB RAM waiting for you!. Faster... Double RAM... Same Price..."
[20:35] <buZz> wtf
[20:36] <des2> So they're shipping 512MB to people.
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> aaa801: because my tablet browser does that
[20:36] <s5fs> dammit, i just got my pi and it's already old
[20:36] <aaa801> rage
[20:36] <SpeedEvil> aaa801: also, I hate you.
[20:36] <aaa801> But why
[20:36] <aaa801> D:
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[20:37] <[SLB]> was that random or the pi have now 512mb?
[20:37] <zgreg> nobody really knows
[20:37] <des2> Apparently new Farnell UK PIs have 512 now
[20:37] <Syliss> wtf
[20:37] <des2> http://uk.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b-512mb/dp/2191863?COM=e14_RaspberryPi
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[20:37] <bertrik> nice
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> how much do farnellwant?
[20:38] <des2> same price as b efore
[20:38] <Syliss> wow, now I'm sad
[20:39] <blackspike> hi. i'm having problems installing MySQL on my PI, and don't know where to turn for help. I'm new to Linux, so struggling. :(
[20:39] <s5fs> blackspike: how are you doing the install?
[20:39] <des2> What problem blackspike ?
[20:40] <aaa801> A wild newbie appeared, newbie used supply no information!
[20:40] <blackspike> i'm using sudo apt-get install mysql-server. On Debian Wheezy. mysql starts to install, but then stops with an error ...
[20:40] <aaa801> and the error is..?
[20:41] <blackspike> one moemnt, i'll get the error
[20:41] <aaa801> if its a 404 i swear to god xD
[20:41] <SIFTU> lol
[20:41] <aaa801> Wait a min, Why are you using debian wheezy
[20:41] <aaa801> O_O
[20:41] <blackspike> [FAIL] Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.5 (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server: mysql-server depends on mysql-server-5.5; however: Package mysql-server-5.5 is not configured ye
[20:41] <aaa801> btw
[20:41] <aaa801> Is this your first image?
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[20:41] <aaa801> because you should use raspbian atm =/
[20:41] * Sebastian is now known as x29a
[20:42] <aaa801> debian image is outdated now :)
[20:42] <blackspike> debian wheezy was recommended to me.
[20:42] <[SkG]> blackspike, yes but the "Raspbian" version
[20:42] <[SkG]> that is the Debian armhf port for RPi
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[20:43] <blackspike> i do beleive that it is raspbian , sorry
[20:43] <aaa801> ok
[20:43] <aaa801> Try
[20:43] <[SLB]> des2, in that link you posted, it says Linux's Fedora software as part of the item?
[20:43] <aaa801> blackspike: try "sudo dpkg --reconfigure -a"
[20:44] <blackspike> error: unknown option --reconfigure
[20:44] <des2> I have no idea what that means [SLB]. It's odd.
[20:44] <aaa801> what the
[20:44] <aaa801> urgha
[20:44] <[SLB]> eheh
[20:44] <buZz> dpkg-reconfigure
[20:44] <buZz> :)
[20:45] <aaa801> blackspike, can you try this
[20:45] <aaa801> service apache2 stop
[20:45] <aaa801> service apache2 start
[20:45] <aaa801> service apache2 star
[20:45] <aaa801> opps
[20:45] <aaa801> service mysqld start
[20:45] <aaa801> then retry =/
[20:46] <aaa801> also look through this
[20:46] <aaa801> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=19277
[20:46] <blackspike> one moment. I just tried dpkg-reconfigure, and its looping on adduser - do you want system-wide readalbe home directorie
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[20:48] <blackspike> aaa801: , still failing, ok, i'll look through that page. thanks
[20:49] <mush> i just ordered a 512MB pi from canada.newark.com
[20:49] <mush> "lead times currently unavailable"
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[20:51] <mush> it's listed as a substitute for the (also out of stock) 256MB board
[20:52] <s5fs> haha!
[20:52] <ThunderTree> blackspike: Out of curiosity, let me install and see if i get same.
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[20:53] <ThunderTree> You installed mysql-server-5.5 right?
[20:53] <blackspike> yup, 5.5
[20:53] <[SLB]> so it's arm11 the new one?
[20:54] <blackspike> i've seen quite a few error-reports on t'interweb about similar things. struggling to find a solution :(
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[20:54] <ThunderTree> blackspike: Got some 404's - so just updating package list frst.
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[20:55] <blackspike> ThunderTree: ok.
[20:56] <blackspike> i've tried adding the InnoDB buffer_pool_size, as suggested in aaa801 's link, to no avail
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[20:57] <Pulser> anyone here used raspbmc with success? (I can't seem to get it outputting on my display, although I've got an "active" HDMI -> VGA, which works fine on the regular arch/raspbian)
[20:57] <des2> All the PIs are 'ARM11'.
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[20:58] <des2> Pulser you may have to fool the PI into forcing HDMI
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[20:58] <Pulser> yeah, I'm playing with that just now
[20:58] <Pulser> safemode works fine on Arch
[20:58] <Peetz0r> raspbmc is working just fine here
[20:58] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[20:58] <des2> That goes through all the config HDMI options.
[20:59] <Pulser> awesome, thanks
[20:59] <Pulser> yeah, that's the one I was referring to...
[20:59] <Pulser> safe mode SHOULD work
[20:59] <Pulser> hmm idea... let me try with an old installer
[20:59] <Pulser> that gives some kind of graphical output for me
[20:59] <ThunderTree> curious why one would want a db on a rasp pi.
[20:59] <des2> I'm guessing the HDMI > VGA isn't sending back some info the PI wants to turn on HDMI
[20:59] <Pulser> des2, tbh I thought that, but I *think* the issue is resolution
[21:00] <Pulser> it DEFINITELY works with arch and regular raspi distro
[21:00] <Pulser> but I did tweak config.txt
[21:01] <ThunderTree> blackspike: Im sat in mysql now :-s
[21:01] <blackspike> ThunderTree: :(
[21:02] <ThunderTree> blackspike: I would suggest a purge, and then apt-get update, and then download again.
[21:02] <ThunderTree> or get postgres :-)
[21:02] <Pulser> ThunderTree, they're fairly competent little servers
[21:02] <Pulser> I've got a project in mind actually
[21:02] <blackspike> ThunderTree: ok. could I trouble you for the Purge syntax?
[21:02] <Pulser> I take it nobody has tried setting up a Rpi as a SIP server?
[21:02] <ThunderTree> apt-get purge mysql*
[21:03] <ThunderTree> Pulser: SIP? Interesting.
[21:03] <blackspike> ThunderTree: cheers.
[21:03] <ThunderTree> blackspike: np
[21:03] <ThunderTree> Pulser: Asterisk?
[21:03] <Pulser> hmmm
[21:03] <Pulser> well let me explain my idea :)
[21:03] <ThunderTree> Pulser: :-)
[21:03] <Pulser> I may be doing this totally wrong
[21:03] <Pulser> I was looking today at this situation
[21:04] <Pulser> your ADSL router has a filter, and a nice little PSTN phone socket
[21:04] <Pulser> your ADSL router has an ethernet port
[21:04] <Pulser> so.....
[21:04] <Pulser> I was thinking to build a sit-between
[21:04] <Pulser> so when the PSTN phone line "rings"
[21:04] <Pulser> it will alert the SIP server
[21:04] <Pulser> the SIP server will then broadcast this through the network
[21:04] <Pulser> where it will go out on WiFi
[21:04] <Pulser> my mobile phone (native SIP support as it's android) will ring
[21:05] <Pulser> with a SIP call
[21:05] <Pulser> I accept/reject based on the caller ID that the Rpi has taken and broadcast on
[21:05] <Pulser> if I accept, the PSTN line call is lifted
[21:05] <Pulser> the Rpi takes it, and punts the audio over SIP
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[21:05] <Pulser> complex....
[21:05] <Pulser> but awesome if it would work :D
[21:05] <Peetz0r> Can't you just use your ISP's sip login on your android phone directly?
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[21:06] <s5fs> Pulser: interesting, and i'm no dsl guy, but don't you have to run filters on the lines that are not connected to the dsl modem?
[21:07] <blackspike> ok, purged, updated, rebooting (just for fun!), then will try MySQL again ... fingers crossed ...
[21:07] <ThunderTree> blackspike: gl :-)
[21:07] <s5fs> Pulser: we use asterisk at work, have a dedicated dsl line and use voipstreet for our DIDs
[21:07] <Pulser> Peetz0r, no SIP on ISP
[21:07] <Pulser> s5fs, yeah I will use filter on it
[21:08] <Pulser> basically, you need to put a filter on any device connecting to the phone line
[21:08] <Pulser> to separate voiceband frequencies (upto 8kHz) from the broadband data
[21:08] <s5fs> Pulser: okay, so you're going to use a second line (not the one between the wall and the adsl router)?
[21:08] <Pulser> but that's fine, rpi would plug into the filter :)
[21:08] <Pulser> s5fs, basically forget those intricacies, the idea is that the Rpi plugs into the phone line
[21:09] <Pulser> don't worry about filters
[21:09] <Pulser> I can do those :)
[21:09] <Pulser> I've got tonnes
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[21:09] <s5fs> Pulser: understood, just trying to get the interconnects straight in my head. if it's an "inline" solution it seems more complicated than just sitting on a line somewhere away from the modem
[21:09] <ThunderTree> rasPBXpi :-)
[21:10] <Pulser> s5fs, yeah the way I understand it tbh
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[21:10] <Pulser> you can plug into the same filter
[21:10] <Pulser> using the "phone" port
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[21:10] <s5fs> Pulser: gotcha
[21:10] <Pulser> the filter is basically a low-pass filter (ok bandpass, let's ignore that for now) for upto 8kHz on the phone line
[21:10] <Pulser> and a band-pass (effectively high-pass) for the broadband
[21:10] <Peetz0r> Pulser: every ISP uses SIP these days, but they might not tell you ;)
[21:10] <Peetz0r> too bad if they're of that kind
[21:10] <Pulser> Peetz0r, the issue is my ISP isn't my phone provider
[21:10] <Pulser> (I'm UK)
[21:11] <Pulser> 21CN is digital, but it's not SIP afaik
[21:11] <Peetz0r> I'm in NL, so that shouldn't bee too different, right?
[21:11] <Pulser> nah, it's very different
[21:11] <Pulser> the UK system is very interesting
[21:11] <Pulser> but AFAIK there's no SIP
[21:11] <Pulser> and my ISP is nothing to do with my phone (OK it's on the same copper, that's it...)
[21:11] <ThunderTree> BT. Hatred.
[21:11] <blackspike> bum! still no mysql! :(
[21:11] <Pulser> ThunderTree, indeed!
[21:12] <ThunderTree> blackspike: Whats it doing? :-)
[21:12] <blackspike> invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.5 (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 Errors were encountered while processing: mysql-server-5.5 E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[21:12] <Peetz0r> So BT has created it's own proprietary voip system?
[21:12] <Peetz0r> too bad...
[21:12] <Pulser> Peetz0r, 21CN is the name
[21:13] <Peetz0r> yeah, just found the wikipedia article
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[21:13] <Pulser> your calls are not on the "internet"
[21:13] <Pulser> it's a private network BT uses
[21:13] <Pulser> totally separate from broadband
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[21:14] <ThunderTree> blackspike: How are you doing the install? The exact command :-)
[21:14] <Peetz0r> Here most ISP's are also the phone providers, and the dsl/cable/ftth modems als also SIP ATA's preconfigured by the ISP, and in 90% of the cases, they never tell you about it,a nd is some cases it's not accessible from the internet either
[21:14] <blackspike> sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.5 (although ahve tried without the "5.5", with the same effect
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[21:14] <Peetz0r> but it's nice to know that they're using a known protocol somewhere, and some ISP's actually allow you to use other SIP clients
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[21:15] <eix> Peetz0r: so you can use SIP also without it being part of your subscription?
[21:15] <ThunderTree> blackspike: Hmmm.
[21:15] <eix> Peetz0r: you still miss the login codes, right?
[21:15] <ThunderTree> blackspike: You see any error messages? /var/log/messages or /var/log/mysql.err
[21:15] <Pulser> Peetz0r, that's a nice system
[21:15] <Peetz0r> eix: for those isp's you can find the login codes somewhere :)
[21:15] <Pulser> yeah
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[21:15] <Peetz0r> Pulser: indeed, it is
[21:16] <Pulser> I dunno... I am in the UK and I'm not changing country
[21:16] <Pulser> so I intend to look into this
[21:16] <Pulser> I dunno if this is even possible
[21:16] <Peetz0r> eix: you need an subscription with a phone number and everything to use SIP
[21:16] <ThunderTree> blackspike: Did you at meast put a password in the prompt? Or did it not even get that far?
[21:16] <Peetz0r> Pulser: can you transfer your number to a different provider?
[21:17] <Peetz0r> if so, then just find a SIP provider you like :)
[21:17] <blackspike> ThunderTree: theres a ton of stuff (?) in /var/log/messages, no idea what it means. can't see "mysql" or similar . nothing i mysql.err. yes, i put a password in 3 times
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[21:17] <Pulser> nah Peetz0r that's not an option
[21:17] <Pulser> the point is, I want this to be a "drop in" solution
[21:17] <Pulser> so that if SIP isn't working, we still have PSTN working as usual
[21:17] <Pulser> I simply plug this "black box" into the phone socket, and the router
[21:18] <Pulser> and it's sorted
[21:18] <Pulser> http://www.asterisk.org/applications/gateway
[21:18] <Pulser> this sounds promising though
[21:18] <Pulser> hmmm... does a USB "modem" exist (yeah... one of those ancient V90 things :D)
[21:18] <ThunderTree> blackspike: Can you copy and paste?
[21:19] <ReggieUK> no
[21:19] <ReggieUK> stop spamming the channel and learn to use www.pastebin.com
[21:19] <blackspike> ThunderTree: I can ...
[21:19] <ThunderTree> blackspike: er, lol. No dont.
[21:19] <ThunderTree> blackspike: I mean can you cxopy and paste if i put a command in here for you to put in your rasp pi. lol
[21:20] * ThunderTree really should be clearer on tese things.
[21:20] <blackspike> ThunderTree: lol. yes, i can do that. :)
[21:20] <ThunderTree> okay. Hang fire 1 sec. btw - are you sudo'ing everything? Or you able to jump into root?
[21:21] <blackspike> ThunderTree: i'm using Putty to remote access, and sudo from user: pi
[21:22] <ThunderTree> blackspike: Do this: --> sudo passwd <-- Then you can set password for root, and log in as root :-)
[21:22] <blackspike> ok, passwd set
[21:23] <rikkib> add line to ssh config
[21:23] <rikkib> I will get the setting
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[21:23] <blackspike> and in as root (!)
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[21:24] <ThunderTree> ThunderTree: Log into terminal as root --> su <-- (and put password in) and then run this: -->apt-get purge mysql* && apt-get -f && apt-get install mysql-server-5.5 <--
[21:24] <ThunderTree> This is a test box right?
[21:24] <ThunderTree> Its not runnign anything production-level? :-)
[21:24] <blackspike> ThunderTree: this is my 1st Pi, nothing on it yet, plenty of chance to wipe and start over :)
[21:25] <ThunderTree> Okay :-) Do that and let me know if you get to password prompt :-)
[21:25] <blackspike> ThunderTree: plan is to set it as a test server, for making sure stuff wokrs before uploading to live server
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[21:26] <blackspike> ThunderTree: ok - purged ... installing ...
[21:26] <rikkib> /etc/ssh/sshd_config AllowRootLogin yes
[21:26] <blackspike> at password promt
[21:26] <blackspike> (Do excuse poor typing - i take more care in terminal than IRC! )
[21:28] <blackspike> ThunderTree: mysql is now asking for password.
[21:29] <ThunderTree> blackspike: Okay, fingers crossed and all that. Put one in :-)
[21:29] <blackspike> ThunderTree: ah! asked me to confirm ... never done that before
[21:30] <ThunderTree> here's hopin'
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[21:31] <blackspike> bum!
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[21:31] <blackspike> unable to set password forthe MySQL "root" user. An error occured.
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[21:33] <blackspike> got a BIG list of InnoDB notes/errors
[21:33] <Peetz0r> blackspike: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server
[21:33] <Peetz0r> try that :)
[21:33] <Peetz0r> it should ask for a new mysql root password
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[21:34] <blackspike> Peetz0r: more errors: "mysql-server is not installed"
[21:34] <Peetz0r> sudo apt-get --reinstall install mysql-server
[21:34] <Peetz0r> wait
[21:34] <Peetz0r> before you do that...
[21:34] <Peetz0r> blackspike: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.5
[21:34] <blackspike> ok
[21:35] <ThunderTree> :-)
[21:35] <blackspike> -5.5: "is broken or not fullly installed"
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[21:35] <Peetz0r> I see you haven;t installed mysql by that metapackage, so reconfiguring it won't work :p
[21:35] <Peetz0r> blackspike: in that case, sudo apt-get --reinstall install mysql-server mysql-server-5.5
[21:35] <Peetz0r> (yes, both packages, to be sure)
[21:35] <blackspike> ok, trying that
[21:36] <Peetz0r> and it that won't work, sudo apt-get --reinstall install 'mysql*' (quotes are important when using wildcards with apt)
[21:37] <blackspike> ok, failed - retrying with wildcard
[21:38] <blackspike> "You have held broken packages" - it doesn't seem to like trying to install 5.5 and 5.1 together ... ?
[21:38] <blackspike> The following packages have unmet dependencies: dsyslog-module-mysql : Depends: dsyslog (= 0.6.0) but it is not going to be installed mysql-client-5.5 : Breaks: mysql-client-5.1 but 5.1.62-1 is to be installed mysql-common : Breaks: mysql-client-5.1 (< 5.5) but 5.1.62-1 is to be installed Breaks: mysql-server-5.1 (< 5.5) but 5.1.62-1 is to be installed Breaks: mysql-server-core-5.1 (< 5.5) but
[21:39] <rikkib> apt-get -f
[21:40] <rikkib> apt will try to fix -f those unmet dependencies
[21:41] <blackspike> rikkib: didn't work :( still complains of breaks, depends, conflicts,
[21:43] <rikkib> What distro?
[21:43] <blackspike> thanks for the help, all, but its not working :( i'm thinking wipe 'n' start over.
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[21:43] <rikkib> Raspbian?
[21:43] <blackspike> raspian wheezy
[21:44] <ThunderTree> blackspike: Do this out of curiosity --> dpkg -l | grep mysql | awk '{print $2}' | wc -l <--
[21:44] <blackspike> ThunderTree: 6
[21:44] <ThunderTree> ( I was gonna do something else before sending this, so i know awk was unnessessary :-))
[21:44] <ThunderTree> hmm.
[21:45] <ThunderTree> and you done ---> apt-get update && apt-get -f <---
[21:46] <blackspike> yup
[21:46] <mythos> remove all mysql related. you have a version conflict
[21:46] <ThunderTree> mythos: yup.
[21:47] <rikkib> I would be removing the package in question and work on updating the dependencies
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[21:47] <ThunderTree> blackspike: Did you install mysql 5.1 first?
[21:47] <rikkib> dsyslog
[21:47] <blackspike> i don't think so
[21:48] <ThunderTree> blackspike: Do a quick --> dpkg -l | grep mysql <-- and then put in hastebin.com or something.
[21:48] <blackspike> initially installed "mysql-server"
[21:48] <ThunderTree> blackspike: remove mysql-server
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[21:50] <blackspike> "mysql-server not installed, and so not removed"
[21:51] <ThunderTree> Okay. So ---> dpkg -l | grep mysql <--- Does it mention 5.1 packages for mysql?
[21:52] <ThunderTree> rikkib: I dont know why dsyslog is required for mysql install.
[21:52] <blackspike> http://pastebin.com/pVu8sMJU
[21:52] <blackspike> just mysql-5.5 and -common
[21:55] <ThunderTree> hmmm. I'd remove them again. Then do an autoremove. Then fix, to see results, and then delete /etc/mysql and then reinstall. lol.
[21:55] <blackspike> lol.
[21:55] <ThunderTree> Do this first --> apt-get purge 'mysql*' && apt-get autoremove && apt-get -f <--
[21:56] <blackspike> well, i started imaging my SD card at 11am, its now 9pm, and i'm about to re-image it, startover. and have a beer
[21:56] <ThunderTree> Then when this finished do a --> apt-get check <--
[21:56] <ThunderTree> lol. To be fair, yes, a reimage is pretty quick and may be a good idea :-)
[21:57] <ThunderTree> It installed first time on mine.
[21:57] <rikkib> Until the dependencies are met it is likely the same results will be seen.
[21:57] <blackspike> yeah, i must have glitched something somewhere ...
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[21:58] <ThunderTree> rikkib: I was getting him to remove the packages, and delete properly, and then fix and then check at the end to make suure.
[21:58] <blackspike> apt-get check -> Done.
[21:59] <rikkib> Yep however and apt-get upgrade is most likely needed with dsyslog being a package to look out for
[21:59] <Peetz0r> blackspike: sorry, wasn't there for a moment
[21:59] <Peetz0r> are you trying to install 5.1 and 5.5?
[21:59] <Peetz0r> that won't work
[22:00] <Peetz0r> choose one, and start removing the other
[22:00] <blackspike> Peetz0r: no probs. ThunderTree and friends looking after me :)
[22:01] <blackspike> going to remove /everything/ and start over
[22:01] <Peetz0r> ok
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[22:02] <blackspike> big thanks to everyone. sorry we didn't get anywhere
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[22:03] <rikkib> The Linux learning experience usually involves many re-installs
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[22:04] <maicod> if I would order the mpeg2-license key where would I need to fill that key in ?
[22:04] <Peetz0r> yeah, but using windows also involves plenty of reinstalls :p
[22:04] <Peetz0r> so they're about the same :)
[22:04] <mythos> oh, that reminds me on my first debian-installation (sarge).... needed five tries to get an oracle db up and running...
[22:05] <Peetz0r> blame oracle
[22:05] <Peetz0r> always blme oracle whenever they are involved in anyway
[22:05] <blackspike> :) I've done plenty of Windows re-installs. Linux .... not so much ...
[22:05] <Peetz0r> blame*
[22:05] <mythos> Peetz0r, in fact it was really oracles fault. the package needed bc, but it wasn't a dependency
[22:05] <Peetz0r> :p
[22:05] <Peetz0r> I'm not really talking about os-reinstalls
[22:05] <blackspike> anyhoo, thanks again. have a drink on me.
[22:05] <rikkib> maicod, One would presume that when you bought to key you will get instructions.
[22:05] <ThunderTree> blackspike: :-)
[22:06] <Peetz0r> a few days ago I had tried 4 different .net installers because mssql 2012 required .net 4 but didn't point me to the right version of it
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[22:06] <Peetz0r> in that case, I blames MS, not oracle :p
[22:06] <Peetz0r> blamed*
[22:07] <Peetz0r> also, I blame oracle, microsoft, adobe and apple for all those typos I make :p
[22:07] <Peetz0r> (sorry)
[22:07] <ThunderTree> Peetz0r: You cant just do a apt-get on windows?
[22:08] <maicod> rikkib: ofcourse but I'm the type of guy who likes to know that in advance :) I hate it takes 72hours btw
[22:08] <ThunderTree> :-) Actually, i think there was attempts for package management for windows. Chocolate something or other.
[22:08] <Peetz0r> ThunderTree: that machine didn't have internet
[22:08] <ThunderTree> Oh.
[22:09] <Peetz0r> deecnt package management shouldn't come from a 3rd party, but should be part of the OS itself
[22:09] <Peetz0r> on windows, it should be a part of Windows update somehow
[22:09] <rikkib> maicod, I remember reading stuff on the RPF announcing the availability... Perhaps a search of the forum
[22:09] <ThunderTree> Peetz0r: Yeah. I never understand why they never attempted it.
[22:09] <Peetz0r> but windows is too far beyond that, so it won't work now
[22:10] <maicod> rikkib: thanks I've already read that and I can fill in a form right now if I wish but it takes 72 hours and I'm in dounbt cause I got 2 Pi's if I should get 2 licenses or 1 and for which one
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[22:10] <Peetz0r> the whole windows software world is filled with ugly installers and updaters and stuff, there's no way to fix that and maintain compatibility with the rest of the world
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[22:11] <Peetz0r> the new Windows Store for metro-apps is a small step in the right direction imho, but a lot of people are ging to have a hard time accepting metro, and that is ms's fault
[22:11] <maicod> rikkib: I wanted to watch Spooks tonight on it :)
[22:11] <rikkib> haha
[22:11] <rikkib> Sorry
[22:12] <maicod> rikkib: I was sporting when it was on the tv tonight so I recorded it with my analog wintv card on my pc
[22:12] <maicod> its mpeg2
[22:12] <maicod> yeah bad luck I must play it on my pc then :)
[22:12] <rikkib> I gather the license is per RPi and likely to be loaded in config.txt at boot time
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[22:13] <maicod> ah OK
[22:13] <maicod> yeah its PER Pi so I need 2 then
[22:13] <bircoe> Peetz0r, I totally agree, earlier this year the organisation I work for upgraded the SOE from XP + Office 2003 to Win 7 + Office 2010, with approx 7500 people the amount that struggled with the interface changes in Win 7 and Office 2010 was outrageous, these same people are going to die when Win 8 gets pushed on them!
[22:13] <rikkib> How much are they?
[22:13] <maicod> if I want to use both Pi's for mpeg2 that is :)
[22:14] <maicod> 2.40 english pound
[22:14] <maicod> http://www.raspberrypi.com/mpeg-2-license-key/
[22:14] <maicod> rikkib: you got any idea if it will use the GPU for decoding (omxplayer) then?
[22:15] <Peetz0r> bircoe: yeah, I'm already scared by the face that some day my parents will come at me with 100's of stupid questions about things which 'just work' if they have the courage to 'just click the damn button for it'
[22:15] <ThunderTree> You need a license key for 2.40? Why?
[22:15] <rikkib> I think that is the idea... The codecs are in the gpu
[22:15] <bircoe> Welcome to my world :/
[22:15] <rikkib> Just need unlocking
[22:15] <Peetz0r> "yes, the button looks different, and is in a different place, but that doesn't matter. NOW CLICK IT!!!"
[22:15] <maicod> yeah to enable the GPU for mpeg2 I bet
[22:16] <Peetz0r> "but I want the old button back, it was way better because it was old" *sigh*
[22:16] <midnightyell> My attitude is that my parents paid for my computer education, and so are entitled to tech support :)
[22:16] <maicod> raspi guys got the GPU for cheap but it means they didnt get all access to it for that price :)
[22:16] <ThunderTree> maicod: Wierd.
[22:17] <bircoe> Currently work on a helpdesk (but also bounce between SOE and Platforms teams as needed), and the silly questions you get would astound you... my favourite one is when people receive a warning that only has an OK button and feel inclined to call us to ask what to do...
[22:17] <maicod> ThunderTree: well it would be either asking more for the Pi or ask that to certain users wanting mpeg2 decoding
[22:17] <maicod> I think thats the strategy
[22:17] <rikkib> One has to realize the thinking around the RPi is, well, a bit flawed imho.
[22:18] <Amorsen> There's nothing like supporting software patents
[22:18] <Peetz0r> bircoe: and you respond with "have you tried turning it off and on again?" ?
[22:18] <maicod> rikkib: flawed as in ... ?
[22:18] <ThunderTree> maicod: I think i kinda see the mentality. Hey guys, can we have a gpu cheaper? "no, cos its good. " Well we want to use it for the pi, and most people wont even use it for its intended elite superpowers. "Okay, then we'll do it cheaper, but if they want elite superpowers they have to ask us. That way we can cut a deal".
[22:19] <rikkib> academic vs commercial
[22:19] <maicod> ThunderTree: right :)
[22:19] <ThunderTree> guess it kinda makes some sense.
[22:19] <Amorsen> The money primarily end up with Fraunhofer &co for patent licensing
[22:19] <maicod> why the hello do they want us to cat the cpu serial nr instead of the gpu serial nr ?
[22:19] <maicod> hello=hell
[22:19] <rikkib> A better middle be found in time. I cite 256MB V 512MB
[22:19] <rikkib> middle ground
[22:20] <rikkib> VReg PD
[22:20] <maicod> amorsen: so they paid for mp3 decoder (enclosed into the Pi's price) ?
[22:20] <Amorsen> maicod: I presume mp3 is in software
[22:20] <maicod> I thought mp3 decoding was done in software
[22:20] <maicod> yeah
[22:20] <Amorsen> They paid for H.264
[22:20] <maicod> indeed
[22:20] <maicod> yeah only H264
[22:21] <Amorsen> Well everything is in software, really
[22:21] <maicod> amorsen: but you said about paying fraunhofer ?
[22:21] <Amorsen> But mp3 is in ARM software running on the CPU
[22:21] <maicod> fraunhofer=mp3
[22:21] <Amorsen> maicod, Fraunhofer has lots of video patents too
[22:21] <maicod> also the H264 ?
[22:22] <maicod> btw decoding of 1080P is flawless on the GPU
[22:22] <Amorsen> There's a whole bunch of patent holders for H.264
[22:22] <maicod> incredible that the small Pi can do this :)
[22:22] <Amorsen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG_LA
[22:22] <maicod> oh
[22:22] <maicod> oh they shared the patents
[22:22] <Amorsen> Err, they each patented a small part
[22:22] <maicod> aha
[22:23] <maicod> and each get a piece of the cake :)
[22:23] <maicod> of the payings
[22:23] <midnightyell> The camera that the Pi foundtation is planning to release soon will supposedly do HD recording
[22:23] <Amorsen> Then they set up a joint organization to do the "nice house you have, would be sad if it burned down" bit
[22:24] <maicod> hehee extraction :)
[22:24] <maicod> extorsion
[22:24] <maicod> oops
[22:24] <maicod> mafia :)
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[22:24] <maicod> sorry <Dutch :)
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[22:25] <maicod> BCM2708 is that the cpu or the gpu ?
[22:25] <rikkib> Kiwi
[22:26] <maicod> hehe welcome from the other side of the world
[22:26] <midnightyell> that's the SoC
[22:26] <Peetz0r> midnightyell: it's the SoC
[22:26] <maicod> oh the whole
[22:26] <maicod> the stuckontopofeacother :)
[22:26] <Peetz0r> cpu+gpu+ram+more :)
[22:26] <maicod> yeah I've seen the ram layer :)
[22:26] <Peetz0r> StuckOntopofeaCother
[22:26] <Peetz0r> SOC :)
[22:26] <maicod> yea
[22:26] <Peetz0r> lol :p
[22:27] <maicod> does anyone know this ?
[22:27] <Peetz0r> actually, System-on-a-Chip
[22:27] <maicod> I got a 1073DD realtek based videoplayer
[22:27] <maicod> is that the same GPU?
[22:27] <maicod> wondering cause it can do 1080P too
[22:27] <Peetz0r> don't think so
[22:28] <midnightyell> so, whoever it was that talked about using distcc on the Pi to cross-compile, thank you
[22:28] <maicod> ok cause that one has SLOW linux too
[22:28] <Peetz0r> I gues srealtek makes their own SoC's, and doesn't use the broadcom videocore thing
[22:28] <[SLB]> is the firmware ready for memory split suitable for 512mb of ram?
[22:28] <maicod> realtek is worse than broadcom?
[22:28] <Peetz0r> maicod: I kinda like both
[22:28] <Peetz0r> for wifi chipsets, realtek is better than atheros
[22:29] <maicod> and atheros=broadcom?
[22:29] <Peetz0r> and I like broadcom just for the Pi
[22:29] <Peetz0r> nope
[22:29] <maicod> oh no ok
[22:29] <Peetz0r> atheros is now part of qualcomm
[22:29] <Peetz0r> and their linux support seems to suck
[22:29] <maicod> I have this problem: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=19816&p=193111#p193111
[22:29] <maicod> oh :(
[22:29] <maicod> brb
[22:30] <Peetz0r> later!
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[22:31] <eix> [SLB]: we can compile our own to fix that ;)
[22:31] <eix> what is the package containing the kernel modules?
[22:31] <eix> for some reason, mine have just fully blown up
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[22:32] <[SLB]> nice, not sure i use rpi-update
[22:32] <maicod> back
[22:32] <maicod> any idea about my problem?
[22:33] <eix> maicod: overclocking might be the culprit
[22:33] <maicod> its NEVER overclocked
[22:33] <maicod> :)
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[22:33] <eix> maicod: so you did not either modify /boot/config.txt with over voltage?
[22:34] <maicod> no
[22:34] <maicod> the standard config.txt
[22:34] <Peetz0r> have you tried another sd card?
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[22:34] <maicod> this one IS listed in the verified list on elinux but I'm now using a 16GB PNY card
[22:35] <maicod> I can't say it works cause its in use too short
[22:35] <maicod> need more days of working with it
[22:35] <maicod> also I use my 2nd Pi now
[22:35] <Peetz0r> yeah, I don't actually fully trust the list
[22:35] <eix> maicod: I also suffered corruption, but related to overclocking
[22:35] <Peetz0r> but you have tried 2 cards, both the same problem?
[22:35] <maicod> eix: ah OK I didnt get to the point of trying the overclocking yet
[22:35] <Peetz0r> do you also have that problem on your 2nd Pi?
[22:36] <maicod> Peetz0r: well I have used the 2nd Pi for shorter times before and then it had the same troubles it seems but to be sure I am using it again now
[22:36] <maicod> we'll see THIS time
[22:36] <Peetz0r> so you haven't tried the 2nd pi long anough to be sure?
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[22:36] <maicod> the problems often arise after halt command or rebooting
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[22:37] <Peetz0r> then reboot 20 times, and see what happens :p
[22:37] <maicod> peetz0r: it was back in the days when I used the 19-04 debian image so back then I used a 4GB sandisk card and it got corrupted also
[22:37] <maicod> yea
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[22:37] <Peetz0r> hmmz, weird
[22:37] <maicod> indeed
[22:37] <Peetz0r> but I've never used that image
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[22:38] <Peetz0r> actually, I haven't used any vanilla raspbian images yet
[22:38] <maicod> I'm now using the newest wheezy and used rpi-update to update the firmware
[22:38] <Peetz0r> I use raspbmc rc5 with a 2gb card
[22:38] <maicod> cause there's a newer firmware out then is in that image
[22:39] <maicod> peetz0r: thanks for thinking about my problem. I'm really hoping the new Pi and the new card have gotten rid of the problem
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[22:39] <maicod> <----- not sure about that at all
[22:39] <Peetz0r> just use it and see
[22:39] <maicod> rebooting it 20 times might not be the right test
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[22:39] <Peetz0r> heheh, raspbmc doesn't havs rpi-update
[22:39] <maicod> it could be due to longer times of usage
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[22:40] <maicod> Peetz0r: you can install it
[22:40] <Peetz0r> maybe not, but if it happens in that test, you know for sure that it is not fixed
[22:40] <maicod> or doesnt it work then?
[22:40] <Peetz0r> if it doesn't hapen, you still don't know
[22:40] <maicod> peetz0r: yeah good idea
[22:40] <maicod> I will try tonight
[22:40] <Peetz0r> there's no rpi-update in my repo
[22:40] <maicod> peetz0r: its on github I got the instructions somewhere
[22:40] <maicod> lemme see
[22:41] <Peetz0r> oh
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[22:42] <maicod> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update
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[22:42] <maicod> please first dd backup your card
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[22:43] <maicod> https://github.com/Hexxeh/rpi-update/blob/master/README.md
[22:44] <maicod> Peetz0r: even the ID listed along with the Extrememory 32GB class10 card was exactly the same as my Extrememory 32Gb card
[22:44] <maicod> on the verified pheripherals list
[22:45] <Peetz0r> yeah, but I don't fully assume that everything on that list is properly tested
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[22:45] <maicod> wouldnt it be put in there when multiple people report it as working?
[22:45] <maicod> I mean would the maker of that list be not betting on one horse only
[22:46] <Peetz0r> nope, but I actually assume that every sd card will work
[22:46] <Peetz0r> but that none of them is perfect
[22:46] <maicod> Peetz0r: my 16Gb sandisk doesnt work at all
[22:46] <maicod> so not all work
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[22:47] <Peetz0r> if you produce a bazzilion of even the best sd cards, one of them will be broken
[22:47] <Peetz0r> so your 16gb sandisk card might just be bad luck
[22:47] <maicod> yea probably
[22:47] <maicod> or its controller chip is imcompatible with the kernels driver
[22:47] <Peetz0r> but every card which is built for the SD specs sould work, and none of them are perfect
[22:48] <Peetz0r> so it doesn't matter which chip is on there, as long as it speaks the sd protocol
[22:48] <maicod> yeah but some might not implement all SD commands neatly
[22:48] <Peetz0r> if you look at the wifi adapters on that list, and compare the ones with the same chipset as I have, you see different results. I saaume that is because some people can't get it to work for reasons not related to the wifi adapter, because they are all the same
[22:48] <maicod> you never know :0
[22:49] <Peetz0r> interesting fact, every micro-sized wifi adapter in the world has the same chipset: rtl8192cu
[22:49] <maicod> Peetz0r: yeah peoples 'stupidity'
[22:49] <Peetz0r> maicod: that's why I don't assume what's on that list
[22:49] <maicod> hehe maybe the large ones are having the same tiny ic and flash as the microsd card
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[22:50] <Peetz0r> actually, I assume that any piece of hardware I can finf can made to work on a recent linux kernel ;)
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[22:50] <maicod> its cheaper to make one type I guess
[22:50] <maicod> :)
[22:50] <wgb> Hi!
[22:50] <Peetz0r> maicod: wouldn't surprise me at all :)
[22:50] <Peetz0r> hi wgb
[22:50] <wgb> Anyone know the command to open the initial setup program?
[22:50] <maicod> raspi-config
[22:50] <maicod> try that
[22:51] <maicod> as root
[22:51] <wgb> thanks a lot ;)
[22:51] <maicod> yw
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[22:52] <maicod> Peetz0r: dutch too?
[22:53] <maicod> most are from the UK here it seems :)
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[22:53] <Peetz0r> yep, dutch :)
[22:53] <maicod> haha goedzo
[22:53] <Peetz0r> heh :)
[22:53] <maicod> i'll keep to english ofc
[22:53] <Peetz0r> sure
[22:54] <maicod> we would be hated otherwise
[22:54] <maicod> or kicked :)
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[22:54] <maicod> hi heath
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[22:57] * maicod thinks i'm going to the living room where the Pi is :)
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[22:57] <des2> Should keep it in the fridge, lasts longer.
[22:57] <maicod> haha
[22:57] <maicod> a cold Pi
[22:57] <maicod> like a cold beer
[22:58] <maicod> #linuxhelp has a nice slogan: remember to flush twice, its a long way to the bay
[22:58] <maicod> LOL
[22:58] <des2> Especially if you overcook it, I mean overclock it.
[22:58] <maicod> o/c it while chilling it ?
[22:58] <Peetz0r> I like overclocking
[22:59] <maicod> Peetz0r: I will try that for sure soon
[22:59] <midnightyell> I like stability
[22:59] <Peetz0r> I overclock all my non-x86 linux machines
[22:59] <midnightyell> that said, I buy hardware that can be overclocked :)
[22:59] <Peetz0r> I have overclocked my router (354 => 500), phone (528 => 768) and Pi (700=>950)
[22:59] <maicod> Peetz0r:1000 didnt work?
[22:59] <Peetz0r> oh, ans also a P3 (600 => 675)
[23:00] <midnightyell> but I also like it when fans don't scream at me, so I tend towards slower & cooler :)
[23:00] <maicod> haha my old P3 still works :)
[23:00] <Peetz0r> maicod: i havent tried 1000 yet, but I woudln't know why not
[23:00] <maicod> OK
[23:00] <maicod> the sneaky Pi guys had a sticky bit to see if ppl had o/c-ed it !
[23:00] <maicod> sneaky huh
[23:00] <Peetz0r> maicod: my P3's psu died 2 years ago, replaced it with an Atom, didn't oc the atom as it was already 6x faster than my P3 which was already overkill
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[23:01] <maicod> peetz0r: a psu isnt really hard to get a new one for isnt it ?
[23:01] <maicod> :)
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[23:01] <Peetz0r> maicod: I didn't feel like investing ???40 in al 10yo machine if I could get a new one for like ???150
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[23:01] <maicod> peetz0r: my P3 is the 866 one
[23:02] <maicod> yeah thats logical allthough its fun to run old machines :)
[23:02] <Peetz0r> especially when I explained to my parents how they would earn that new machine back in power usage
[23:02] <maicod> and a 2nd hand psu is cheap
[23:02] <maicod> hehehe parents can be nasty :P
[23:02] <maicod> my server is a P1 !!
[23:02] <maicod> it uses 50 watts
[23:02] <Peetz0r> I still have a celeron box from 2004 lying around
[23:02] <maicod> P2 celeron?
[23:03] <Peetz0r> nope, P4 celeron
[23:03] <maicod> celeron sucks major :)
[23:03] <maicod> oh :)
[23:03] <maicod> I had a P2 that looked like a book (the casing of the cpu
[23:03] <maicod> _
[23:03] <maicod> )
[23:03] <Peetz0r> my P3 uses about the same as the Atom, but the psu and chipset and stuff in the new box is much more energy-efficient
[23:03] <[SLB]> i still have my p1 from 1997 working :3
[23:03] <maicod> slb: same here !
[23:03] <[SLB]> 166mhz :D
[23:04] <maicod> slb: only the cpufans keep needing to be replaced :(
[23:04] <Peetz0r> and the new chipset has gigabit, where the ond one didn't have ethernet at all, and relied on a pci network card
[23:04] <maicod> ball bearings suck
[23:04] <[SLB]> for me the hd is dying i guess
[23:04] <maicod> slb: mine is a 200 but o/c-ed to 233
[23:04] <Peetz0r> the fan in the psu was the reason it broke
[23:04] <maicod> oh I got a 2nd hand spare HDD lying for it
[23:04] <[SLB]> ah eheh, i remember i connected the turbo button to the jumpers to have it at 200
[23:05] <Peetz0r> it made enough noise to declare it 'broken' while it was still supplying power ;)
[23:05] <maicod> slb: I just used the jumpers on the mobo without a button on the case :)
[23:05] <[SLB]> eheh
[23:05] <maicod> back the o/cing was just moving some jumpers :)
[23:05] <maicod> back then
[23:06] <maicod> the mobo for the P1 was one that was lying around in old stick as a new one
[23:06] <fiftyonefifty> Does the RPi have printer drivers in CUPS? I can get right up to the point where I would select a driver on my ODroidX and then it won't even let me provide a PPD. I thought since RPI development was more mature, you might have a solution
[23:06] <maicod> so it was new while economically it was old
[23:06] <maicod> bougth it in 2002
[23:07] <maicod> my fingers are crossed :P
[23:07] <maicod> slb: have you replaced the cpufan often?
[23:08] <[SLB]> never
[23:08] <maicod> is yours on 24/7 ?
[23:09] <[SLB]> oh nop eheh, it was but since few years not anymore
[23:09] <maicod> oh mine is :)
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[23:10] <japro> ocing got easy again though :D
[23:11] <japro> mount a big heatsink, ramp up the multiplicator in the bios... done
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[23:12] <zleap> hi anyone know if this would be suitable for a raspberrypi monitor http://www.amazon.co.uk/inch-Digital-Rear-Monitor-Square/dp/B0056WJP1M/ref=pd_sim_ce_1
[23:12] <Peetz0r> yeah, but on modern desktop desktop machines there's no reason to OC anymore
[23:12] <japro> depends on what you do i guess :D
[23:12] <Peetz0r> I cannot remember when I needed more cpu power then my c2d or i3 at clock speeds could give me
[23:13] <maicod> :)
[23:13] <japro> encoding and streaming high quality video from games would be an example where it doesn't hort
[23:13] <japro> hurt
[23:13] <Peetz0r> both of them run on 1/2 or 1/3 of their stock speeds most of the time
[23:13] <japro> not sure if strictly needed but a common setup among people doing that is to use a i5 and ramp up the clocks to 4.5ghz+
[23:14] <Peetz0r> you don't encode video in software, don't you?
[23:14] * cpg|away is now known as cpg
[23:14] <japro> sure why not :D
[23:14] <japro> if you have a cpu that can pull that off its easier than having encoding hardware that will also be way more expensive
[23:14] <Peetz0r> I've heard the Pi can encode h264 in hardware somehow
[23:14] <JamesHarrison> it can, yes
[23:14] <JamesHarrison> it has a hardware encoding element
[23:15] <Peetz0r> so connect your desktop output to the Pi somehow (trough CSI?) and you're done :)
[23:15] <jui-feng> for compiling big software projects or doing scientific simulations / calculations, CPUs can't be fast enough.
[23:15] <japro> i think lots of gpus and cpus actually could as well
[23:15] <maicod> peetz04: would be cool if we can use the GPU for calculations like encoding etc
[23:15] <japro> but somehow not that much software is capable of using that functionality
[23:15] <Peetz0r> okay, compiling is a good reason
[23:15] <des2> zleap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWCzwU9_g3E
[23:15] <japro> certainly not the free stuff people tend to use for streaming
[23:15] <des2> It looks like the Amazon one has an RCA type video in.
[23:15] <Peetz0r> and yes, gpu's are dangerously powerful compared to cpu's
[23:16] <japro> for certain tasks
[23:16] <Peetz0r> des2: amazon what?
[23:16] <japro> and encoding was one of the examples where they were not that impressive afaik
[23:16] <Peetz0r> oh, zleap's monitor
[23:16] <maicod> peetz0r: could the gpu do certain cpu tasks like compressing mp3s or zip-files etc ?
[23:16] <des2> Peetz0r I was referring to the link zleap posted to an LCD
[23:17] <Peetz0r> des2,zleap: looks like composite in, so yeah, looks good
[23:17] <Peetz0r> and for that price, I want one too :)
[23:17] <japro> things where gpus obliterate cpus are typically the floating point computation heavy linear access kind
[23:17] <japro> like BLAS, FFT and obviously almost any sort of image manipulation since that is what they are built for
[23:17] <zleap> cool
[23:17] <japro> but very often you end up just with having the additional memory bandwidth
[23:18] <zleap> would be useful when taking the pi to places where there are no displays around
[23:18] <zleap> also portable
[23:18] <japro> since saturating the alus is pretty hard to pull of with most tasks
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[23:19] <Peetz0r> would be cool, as I only have vga monitors, and this thing is much cheaper than any hdmi or dvi monitor
[23:19] <Peetz0r> also cheaper than a hdmi>vga converter
[23:19] <zleap> thanks added to my amazon wish list
[23:20] <zleap> Peetz0r, yep, may not be good for long term working but for a simple display its fine, not sure i would want to write essays on something that small
[23:20] <zleap> or masses of code
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[23:23] <japro> damn, i need a way to record video from my pi so i can make "gameplay videos"
[23:23] <japro> i guess at some point i'll have go with the janky point-camera-at-monitor-approach
[23:24] <rikkib> Or many screen shots
[23:24] <maicod> Peetz0r: thats a thing I really had troubles with when i got the Pi
[23:24] <maicod> Peetz0r: thats a thing I really had troubles with when i got the Pi
[23:24] <maicod> oops
[23:24] <maicod> I was scrolled up L)
[23:24] <japro> yeah, but there is no reasonable way the pi can handle a output stream of that many images
[23:25] <maicod> I needed to get a HDMI monitor
[23:25] <japro> i at first used the HD TV :D... turns out reading the console from the couch in 1080p was beyond my eyes capability :D
[23:26] <maicod> japro: I had that too !
[23:26] <japro> now i either disconnect the monitor from my desktop or use the projector
[23:26] <maicod> I used the large LED TV in living room cause I had no other screens with HDMI and composite out sucked !
[23:26] <rikkib> I use Philips 236V 23" Wide Screen LCD and Sony 23" TV
[23:26] <rikkib> 32"
[23:27] <rymate1234> japro, could've tried changing the font size ;)
[23:27] <japro> https://twitter.com/JakobProgsch/status/257196724970459136
[23:27] <japro> :D
[23:27] <rikkib> HDMI > DVI-D
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[23:28] <maicod> I now got this monitor: HP x2301
[23:28] <maicod> rikkib: thats a simple connector huh. just passive hdmi-dvi-d
[23:28] <rikkib> Yep
[23:28] <maicod> dvi-d is only hdmi without audio
[23:28] <rikkib> $7NZD
[23:28] <maicod> hehee
[23:28] <maicod> not much
[23:28] <maicod> dunno how much euros a NZD is ?
[23:28] <maicod> :)
[23:30] <rikkib> Cheap goods from China in NZ (CER)
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[23:31] <rikkib> $2USD - $8USD for the relays and VReg's I use for the RPi
[23:32] <maicod> yeah china can get you cheap stuff but it takes a long time to receive the stuff
[23:32] <maicod> at least to europe that is
[23:32] <maicod> not always but it CAN take 4 weeks sometimes
[23:32] <rikkib> Regular freight from HK & China emans freight is not really an issue
[23:33] <rikkib> I get stuff with 2 weeks
[23:33] <rikkib> within
[23:33] <maicod> ah yeah youre closer
[23:33] <maicod> but during christmas its worse huh
[23:34] <rikkib> aliexpress Many suppliers build in freight
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[23:35] <rikkib> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5V-12V-or-24V-4-Channel-Relay-Module-Unit-30MM-cables/632669677.html
[23:35] <rikkib> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-PCS-LLOT-LM2596-DC-DC-Converter-Power-Supply-Buck-Step-Down-Module-4-40V-to/526499533.html
[23:36] <rikkib> Waiting for some polyfuses so I can hook the dc-dc converter to the RPi GPIO
[23:37] <rikkib> ATM the DC-DC converter is only powering the relays.
[23:37] * plugwash would probablly just hook it up directly
[23:38] <des2> Why wouild you want polyfuses ?
[23:39] <des2> http://hackaday.com/2012/09/04/problems-powering-raspberry-pi-from-gpio-header/
[23:39] <rikkib> Switches on P0 & P1 for user input but probably going to add more switches. Application: Gate opener with vid/audio link to end point (Any OS running a browser)
[23:39] <rikkib> The RPi has a 1 odd amp poly on the power in
[23:40] <ReggieUK> noit doesn't
[23:40] <rikkib> Going in the GPIO has no protection
[23:40] <ReggieUK> that's not what I meant
[23:41] <ReggieUK> it's got a 700ma polyfuse on the micro usb connector 5v in
[23:41] <des2> 700mA hold, 1.1A trip.
[23:42] <rikkib> Yes but I think if you search you will find I am correct... Term power raspberry from gpio.
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[23:43] <plugwash> des2, well if you are using a big power supply to run something like a Pi i'd certainly want some form of protection
[23:43] <plugwash> I'm not sure I would consider 3.5A as "big" though
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[23:44] <plugwash> the polyswitches on the USB ports were a disaster but that is a seperate issue
[23:44] <des2> Per the hack a day discussion the GPIO traces are a problem.
[23:44] <rikkib> These DC-DC converters do 2A easy 3A with heatsink
[23:44] <des2> Being that the PI was never intended to be GPIO powered.
[23:45] <Peetz0r> maicod: yeah, same here, the tv in the living room is the only display I could connect it to.
[23:45] <JamesHarrison> des2: iirc the traces are consistent across the board for power
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[23:46] <Peetz0r> which is an analog tv from 2002 or something :p
[23:46] <rikkib> The benefit outweighs the bad... I can power the RPi via the GPIO and fuses offer the needed protection
[23:46] <plugwash> The original article speculated it was trace thickness but the comments pretty quickly narrowed in on the polyfuses as the cause
[23:46] <Peetz0r> it's composite only. while my desktop display is vga only :p
[23:46] <rikkib> The benefit, I can set the 5v level.
[23:46] <Peetz0r> so yeah, I need a cheap display with either composite or hdmi
[23:46] <plugwash> low rating polyfuses (or indeed fuses in general) are a pain because they have to have enough resistance to make them heat up and trip
[23:47] <plugwash> so the resistance ends up going up as roughly the inverse square of the trip current
[23:47] <des2> buy a fast blow 2 amp fuse or actual breaker.
[23:47] <des2> The resistance of the polyfuses is problematic.
[23:48] <rikkib> I do not intend to power much off the RPi itself.
[23:48] <des2> So JamesHarrison the 5v traces from the GPIO are the same thickness as the other power carrying traces ?
[23:48] <JamesHarrison> des2: afaik, yes.
[23:48] <JamesHarrison> Polyfuses are problematic, yeah
[23:48] <JamesHarrison> Rev2 board did away with them, no?
[23:49] <des2> the USB ones yes.
[23:49] <Peetz0r> damn, amazon does free shipping starting from gpb25, but my order is at 24,83.
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[23:49] <des2> But the main 700mA/1.1A polyfuse is apparently still there.
[23:49] <C-M> des2 if not it should be easy to add a wire between the fuse and the gpio pin
[23:49] <des2> Peerz0r google amazon filler.
[23:50] <Peetz0r> des2: ,meh, i'll just add a 1gpb microusb cable, need one anyway
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[23:50] <rikkib> Someone added an earth wire to the USB earth... Run a real power supply is my answer.
[23:51] <JamesHarrison> Being able to easily hook in a 'proper' supply would be a nice addition, DC jack or similar
[23:51] <plugwash> JamesHarrison, it did away with the low rating polyfuses on the usb host ports
[23:51] <JamesHarrison> plugwash: Aha, but main polyfuse still there. Right.
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[23:52] <Peetz0r> Amazon, f* you! " We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination. You may either change the shipping address or delete the item from your order by changing its quantity to 0 and clicking the update button below."
[23:52] <rikkib> Actually a bad oversight not to provide a .1 pitch power conn
[23:53] <rikkib> Many boards do.
[23:53] <des2> the GPIO has a .1 pitch power connector
[23:53] <C-M> btw, wouldn't a z diode be sufficient as protection?
[23:53] <rikkib> My MC9S08 board, my STM32V boards
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[23:55] <rikkib> zener is for voltage. fuse is for current
[23:57] <C-M> but how should the current drawn by the pi get to high if you take a larger dcdc converter?
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[23:58] <rikkib> It is all to do with the layout of the RPi board. The traces to the point were the gpio connected to the main 5v rail are to small.
[23:59] <rikkib> Fault on anything hanging off the board may see the track fry.

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