#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-10-15

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <rikkib> Fault on the main 5v rail supplied from the main power connector has protection based on that main 5v rail
[0:01] <rikkib> The GPIO designed with a 50mA little from memory
[0:01] <rikkib> Sorry that is the 3.3v rail
[0:01] <Syliss> 512mb ram will make a huge difference
[0:02] <JamesHarrison> 512mb RAM will make a huge difference if you run applications where RAM is of any concern*
[0:02] <JamesHarrison> I doubt very much it'll affect anything which is just CPU-bound
[0:03] <rikkib> The 5v gpio can pull up to fuse limit out of the supply
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[0:04] <C-M> hm, there is no layout online, right?
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[0:07] <rikkib> C-M, Not sure. Search. That is what I did. I am left unsure but will try both methods of powering for myself. I have to power from DC anyway.
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[0:08] <C-M> rikkib i also plan to power my pi from the gpio reader, thats why i wonder
[0:09] <C-M> header
[0:09] <japro> are there 512mb versions?
[0:09] <japro> or are those planned?
[0:10] <rikkib> I have an extra board to buffer the relays. This is where I have the dc-dc connected (Powering from 21v tait radio supply)
[0:10] <C-M> well, but thats all connected on that board directly to the supply, right?
[0:11] <rikkib> As soon as I get some polyfuses I will add another jump to the gpio (I use salvaged jumper from pc's)
[0:11] <rikkib> jupmer
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[0:12] <rikkib> Yes all goes to the gpio
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[0:12] <rikkib> I will take a picture. Give me 5
[0:14] <rikkib> 2 minutes of which will be booting the win xp machine to grab the pic off the camera
[0:14] <Peetz0r> also not delivered where I live: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B0045IIZKU/?index=1
[0:15] <C-M> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/gerbers2.png
[0:15] * maicod 's HUB USB A<->B cable was faulty :(
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[0:16] <Peetz0r> and actually all those cheap car-oriented lcd displays with composite input aren't delivered in the netherlands
[0:16] * zz_ka6sox is now known as ka6sox
[0:16] <maicod> illegal huh Peetz0r
[0:16] <C-M> hm, seems the 5v-GPIO-connection is really only through a thin connection :/
[0:16] <Peetz0r> maicod: not illegal, they just won't deliver
[0:17] <FrankZZ> am I the first person to mention http://www.edis.at/de/server/colocation/oesterreich/raspberrypi/ ?
[0:17] <Peetz0r> afaik Amazon is 100% legit. dx.com, not so much. Not as if I care, but delivery from dx is kinda slow
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[0:17] <maicod> oh why don't they deliver ? reason is ?
[0:18] <SpeedEvil> DX has always delivered to me
[0:18] <Peetz0r> because they don't deliver every product to every destination
[0:18] <maicod> yeah but is it cause of copyright ?
[0:18] <Peetz0r> SpeedEvil: same here, but dx takes a month while I expect Amaon to deliver in <1 week
[0:18] <maicod> its not audio/video :)
[0:18] <SpeedEvil> you mean laser pointers?
[0:18] <Peetz0r> maicod: dunno
[0:18] <maicod> :(
[0:19] <Peetz0r> SpeedEvil: nope, just boring cheap lcd screens
[0:19] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/rpi-rly.jpg
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[0:19] <Peetz0r> my last order from dx are 2 microsd cards
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[0:19] <Peetz0r> no, my lat order was a IR remote control for raspbmc, the one before were the microsd cards
[0:19] <Peetz0r> last*
[0:20] <Peetz0r> anyway, my next order migt very well be a lcd screen with composite in
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[0:21] <des2> someone else mentioned it FrankZZ. I wondered if it was just someone collecting PIs...
[0:21] <maicod> a friend orded these but he has troubles and they seem DOA: http://www.rctimer.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=797&productname=
[0:22] * cpg is now known as cpg|away
[0:22] <FrankZZ> des2: http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/2641/we-colo-your-rpi-for-free
[0:22] <Peetz0r> maicod: nice, but now what i'm looking for
[0:23] <des2> Thanks FrankZZ.
[0:24] <des2> "The colo will be free for at least 12 months, after that you have the choice to get your RPi back for the shipping (5/10EUR) or continue to colo it for a cheap price (sub 10EUR, likely less) "
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[0:25] <Peetz0r> lol, I can colo my Pi just about anywhere for free, just connect it and hide it somewhere :p
[0:25] <maicod> what is colo ?
[0:25] <Peetz0r> colocation
[0:25] <maicod> eh?
[0:25] <des2> co-location
[0:25] <rikkib> Home alone. Time to turn on 150 watts of amplification and pick up my guitar.
[0:25] <maicod> relocate?
[0:26] <des2> They take your pi and put it in their data center.
[0:26] <maicod> <- Dutch :P
[0:26] <maicod> oh OK
[0:26] <Peetz0r> maicod: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colocation_centre
[0:26] <Peetz0r> usually about 19" stuff (normal servers), but this time for Pi's
[0:27] <maicod> cool
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[0:28] <Peetz0r> bah, dx doesn't have those screens for the low prices Amazon does
[0:28] <ReggieUK> looks like baumgartner broke the speed of sound :)
[0:28] <FrankZZ> Peetz0r: I have been looking at this lcd screen from DX: http://goo.gl/cwG14
[0:28] <des2> And he didn't break up ?
[0:28] <ReggieUK> and we all know how to egress spaceX if it goes belly up
[0:28] <FrankZZ> it seems to have vga too
[0:28] <maicod> LOL going belly up :)
[0:29] <ReggieUK> des2, he hit 833.9mph
[0:29] <des2> The Pi doesn't have VGA.
[0:29] <SpeedEvil> some on _needs_ to test Moose and variants
[0:29] <des2> It has RCA and HDMI/(DVI with adapter)
[0:30] <ReggieUK> moose? not sure a moose would cope with pulling the chute
[0:30] <FrankZZ> des2: I know that. But you could use the monitor for any device, if your Pi dies or whatever happens
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOOSE
[0:30] <SpeedEvil> orbital escape
[0:30] <Peetz0r> FrankZZ: it's ???63. Way too much for me
[0:31] <FrankZZ> I agree, i'd like a cheapo screen too. Didn't find any though
[0:31] <Peetz0r> http://dx.com/p/49796
[0:31] <Peetz0r> Just found that one
[0:31] <FrankZZ> thats 3.5" versus 7" I posted
[0:31] <FrankZZ> It's not the same league :P
[0:31] <Peetz0r> yeah, but it costs 1/4
[0:31] <FrankZZ> ye
[0:32] <Peetz0r> i am just looking for the cheapest lcd possible
[0:32] <maicod> thanks about the colocation centre. I know it but I didnt know the english name :P
[0:32] <Peetz0r> now you do :)
[0:32] <maicod> yeah :)
[0:32] <FrankZZ> Peetz0r: What are you planning on using it for?
[0:32] <des2> Yes FrankZZ but you can't use the 7" one with the Pi if it only has VGA input.
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[0:32] <Peetz0r> FrankZZ: the Pi
[0:32] <maicod> Peetz0r: my friend has a business and uses one in Amsterdam
[0:32] <FrankZZ> des2 It also has VGA.
[0:33] <FrankZZ> Peetz0r: Quite obvious, but in the car or what?
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[0:33] <des2> So what inputs does the 7" display have. VGA and ?
[0:33] <FrankZZ> RCA
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[0:33] <des2> ok.
[0:34] <des2> I didn't see the RCA input.
[0:34] <FrankZZ> And it has somewhat of a decent resolution
[0:34] <FrankZZ> not 320x240 like most of them cheapo's
[0:34] <japro> progress: https://twitter.com/JakobProgsch/status/257610130135339010
[0:34] <Peetz0r> FrankZZ: anywhere. But I don't own a car
[0:35] <des2> ok
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[0:35] <Peetz0r> even worse, I don't own any Pi-compatible display, and my parents want to actually watch tv sometimes
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[0:36] <Peetz0r> I'm just going to get the cheap one now
[0:36] <Peetz0r> which me luck on the delivery timing
[0:36] <ReggieUK> SpeedEvil, looks like a crazy idea! it might just work
[0:36] <Peetz0r> I'm also going to add some microusb cables
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[0:37] <Peetz0r> and check for a 12v psu, which I may or may not have
[0:37] <Peetz0r> car stuff always needs 12v, and never comes with a psu
[0:37] <linuxstb> With a good enough power-supply, can a Pi power a USB DVB tuner itself, or will it definitely need a powered hub?
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[0:37] <maicod> my friends co-location: http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/maicod/250204_021.jpg
[0:37] <maicod> LOL
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[0:37] <des2> How much does a DVB tuner draw ?
[0:38] <Peetz0r> I think too much, but try it anyway
[0:38] <linuxstb> des2: No idea ;)
[0:38] <des2> Under 300mA it will probably be ok with the non polyfuse USB pi
[0:38] <maicod> the new one huh?
[0:38] <markbook> Basically assume the Pi can't power ANYTHING else. Especially anything with a transmitter or a motor.
[0:39] <des2> The later version 1 also eliminated the USB polyfuses and used 0 ohm resistors
[0:39] <maicod> what happens to the non polyfuse Pi when you use a much higher current requiring USB stick ?
[0:39] <maicod> will it burn up ?
[0:39] <markbook> DVB == Digital Video ??
[0:39] <FrankZZ> Broadcast.
[0:39] <maicod> burn to a crisp :)
[0:39] <markbook> cool I want to do that, but I'll use a powered hub.
[0:39] <des2> There is still a 1.1A polyfuse on the PI's input USB connector
[0:39] <maicod> oh
[0:40] <maicod> Peetz0r: did you see the junk on the ground in the co-location ? :)
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[0:40] <markbook> I've seen "polyfuse" a number of times. From context, a polyfuse is a solid-state power switch that can reset on re power?
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[0:41] <Peetz0r> maicod: yes
[0:42] <des2> the polyfuse is a resistor that has close to 0 ohms when cold then increases resistance to a very high level once it gets above a certain temp
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[0:42] <des2> The one still used the PI has a normal operation current of 700mA and a trip current of 1.1A
[0:43] <FrankZZ> ???des2??? "The colo will be free for at least 12 months, after that you have the choice to get your RPi back for the shipping (5/10EUR) or continue to colo it for a cheap price (sub 10EUR, likely less) "
[0:43] <FrankZZ> Where does it say that?
[0:43] <markbook> so.. you can "over power" it with a touch of liquid Nitrogen? :-)
[0:43] <des2> In the lowendtalk thread you linkd to FrankZZ
[0:43] <FrankZZ> >_> sorry, and thanks.
[0:43] <des2> The owner of the colocation service posted in the thread.
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[0:44] <home> how do I
[0:44] <home> test a raspberry pi image?
[0:44] <des2> you try booting from it
[0:44] <home> on qemu or vmware
[0:44] <markbook> basically, it works or not.
[0:44] <home> also, anyone used ltib here yet?
[0:45] * home was kicked from #raspberrypi by ReggieUK
[0:45] <buZz> wtf
[0:45] <buZz> whats wrong with ltib?
[0:46] <ReggieUK> hahahaha
[0:46] <ReggieUK> nothing wrong with ltib :)
[0:46] * markbook is guessing past history.
[0:46] <markbook> "We are the Knights Who Say 'ltib'!"
[0:46] <ReggieUK> last time he was on he decided to blurt out a load of junk and leave
[0:46] * markbook braces for a kick.
[0:46] <buZz> cant someone get a second chance?
[0:46] <ReggieUK> so I said I'd get him later
[0:47] <ReggieUK> he has got a 2nd chance
[0:47] <ReggieUK> did I ban him?
[0:47] <ReggieUK> no
[0:47] <buZz> :)
[0:47] <buZz> oh i thought it was the second kick already
[0:47] * buZz cant even remember the numerous times i was kicked from here
[0:47] <buZz> good times, good times
[0:47] <markbook> heh
[0:48] * markbook raises his glass of Cranberry Juice to toast buZz
[0:48] * ChanServ sets mode +o IT_Sean
[0:48] * buZz rolls up to celebrate
[0:52] <linuxstb> OK, looks like the answer is no - plugging it in, it loads the firmware then immediately disconnects, then reconnects, then loads the firmware, then disconnects....
[0:52] <Peetz0r> hai buZz :)
[0:53] <Peetz0r> Now I have 3 dx orders slowly coming at me :)
[0:54] <Peetz0r> 2 16gb microsd cards, an IR remote, an ldc screen with composite in, and some microusb cables
[0:54] <Peetz0r> and I already forhow how many microusb cables I just ordered, that's how cheap they are :p
[0:54] <Peetz0r> ???1/piece or something
[0:54] <FrankZZ> I have some LED bulbs coming in soon from DX
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[0:54] <FrankZZ> for the car
[0:54] <home> ReggieUK: Why did I get kicked 0_0
[0:55] <home> just wanted to know how to test a .img file :/
[0:55] <home> on an emulator
[0:55] <Peetz0r> I'll be gathering some fluids containing sugar, and check how comfortable my bed is :)
[0:55] <markbook> I have a couple of first ed. model Bs running raspbian. Ones for play on the TV and one's for coding and experimenting with designs for a training course for system administration fundamentals. Is there any reason for me to go ahead and get a 2nd ed Model B for comparison?
[0:55] <home> markbook: sure
[0:56] <markbook> They behave differently in some significant way?
[0:56] <markbook> (to a non-hardware experimenter)
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[0:58] <Peetz0r> not really
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[0:59] <Peetz0r> there were some gpio-related changes, but afaik that's about it
[0:59] <Peetz0r> but I don't know for sure, since I have only 1 Pi
[1:00] <home> I want a Pi
[1:00] <markbook> so get one?
[1:00] <home> I have a Pi
[1:00] <Peetz0r> ReggieUK: please...
[1:00] <markbook> you want 3.14 Pi'?
[1:00] <markbook> will a double Pi be a "Raspberry Tau"?
[1:00] <des2> home do you have an emulator that will emulate ARM11 code ?
[1:01] <home> I don't know :D
[1:01] <Peetz0r> I need some sleep, later!
[1:01] <home> I got Vmware Workstation, thats all :D
[1:01] <des2> You can't bring up a pi image in a normal VM running on an x86 machine.
[1:02] <ReggieUK> not sure what the please was for?
[1:02] <Peetz0r> ReggieUK: sorry
[1:02] <Peetz0r> home: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rpiqemuwindows/
[1:02] <buZz> home: vmware can only emulate x86 machines
[1:02] <home> really :/
[1:03] <home> that sucks
[1:03] <buZz> really
[1:03] <buZz> vmware sucks
[1:03] <ReggieUK> I@m still not sure what you're asking me Peetz0r :)
[1:03] <Peetz0r> nothing
[1:03] <Byan> vmware doesn't emulate >_>
[1:03] <Byan> thats why
[1:03] <Peetz0r> as I said, I need some sleep. bye!
[1:03] <ReggieUK> :)
[1:05] <buZz> Byan: wow, and still soooo sloooow ;)
[1:05] <buZz> hrhr
[1:07] <home> Peetz0r: I am not in Windoze :d
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[1:11] <maicod> I am :)
[1:11] <maicod> windhoos in Dutch :)
[1:11] <IT_Sean> O_o
[1:12] <maicod> its a language joke
[1:12] <maicod> windows sound a bit like windhoos (tornado)
[1:12] <maicod> my Pi wants to great you all. go to http://www.maiconet.nl :)
[1:13] <maicod> greet ofc
[1:13] <IT_Sean> ... "Hi, im a Pi"? Tha's it?
[1:13] * IT_Sean sighs, then wanders off
[1:13] <maicod> for now :)
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[1:13] <maicod> its just to show the Pi has httpd now :)
[1:13] <des2> heh. Did you see the interface that pulls up the pi's statistics.
[1:14] <maicod> yeah
[1:14] <des2> atouk's pi page was awesome.
[1:14] <maicod> you mean the /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd ?
[1:14] <drivelights> ah httpd. that is certainly something the pi can be very useful for
[1:14] <maicod> yeah :)
[1:15] <maicod> I guess I need PHP installed too huh
[1:15] <home> ..
[1:15] <des2> yeah his used php
[1:16] <maicod> maybe there's a 'packet' of html with php commands that uses the vcgencmd ?
[1:16] <maicod> I could ofc make one myself but I'm lazy for now :)
[1:16] <home> I still havent gotten vcgencmd
[1:16] <home> hopefully will get it soon
[1:16] <home> I hear turbo is amazing :D
[1:16] <maicod> des2: oh you meant [SLB]'s too ?
[1:17] <maicod> home: what turbo you mean?
[1:17] <Peetz0r> maicod: Hi Pi :p
[1:17] <des2> The one that atouk had up for download at: www.atouk.com/piwww.zip
[1:17] <home> for the pi, the turbo mode for ocing
[1:17] <des2> (no longer there)
[1:18] <maicod> home: ah right . I haven't oc-ed mine yet but I will try soon
[1:18] <maicod> des2: ah OK. [SLB] made his own PHP scripts for retrieving displayint the vcgencmd outputs
[1:18] <maicod> displaying :p
[1:20] <atouk> des, i'll be putting it back up. got deleted while doing some housekeeping
[1:21] <des2> did you lose it ?
[1:21] <des2> Cause I downloaded it.
[1:22] <atouk> still have it
[1:22] <maicod> atouk: could I get it from you ?
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[1:23] <atouk>
[1:23] <atouk> link at bottom
[1:23] <maicod> thanks
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[1:24] <maicod> it looks like its gonna time out
[1:24] <des2> times out here.
[1:24] <maicod> yea here too
[1:24] <atouk> ok hold on
[1:24] <maicod> cool
[1:26] <maicod> whats the runlevel the Pi normally is running ? rc3.d ?
[1:26] <maicod> wanna restart the httpd :)
[1:27] <atouk>
[1:27] <atouk> forgot to add the port
[1:27] <maicod> hehehe noproblem
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[1:27] <maicod> you running 2 httpd's in the home too it seems :P
[1:27] <maicod> I just changed the Pi to port 314 :)
[1:27] <maicod> pi=3.14xxxxxxxxxx
[1:27] <maicod> LOL
[1:28] <maicod> atouk: did you write the sources ?
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[1:28] <maicod> atouk: btw it downloaded perfectly from australia to the netherlands :)
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[1:28] <atouk> everythign there is mine except for that's listed in the readme
[1:29] <maicod> atouk: nice of you that you share it with us ! thanks
[1:29] <atouk> and the rotating raspberry. i stole that
[1:29] <maicod> oh LOL
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[1:29] <des2> Yeah that's an awesome page which is why I mentioned it.
[1:29] <maicod> its just a GIF huh :)
[1:29] <maicod> des2: thanks for the help too
[1:29] <atouk> going to be doing mot, but other things are piling up
[1:30] <atouk> (mrore)
[1:30] <atouk> off to dinner. back later
[1:30] <maicod> seeya atouk
[1:30] <maicod> des2: is runlevel 3 the right one?
[1:32] <des2> Right one for what ?
[1:32] <maicod> oh the one thats executed when the Pi loads
[1:32] <maicod> I see now I need to go to etc/init.d huh
[1:33] <maicod> I already did /etc/init.d/lighttpd restart
[1:33] <maicod> it worked
[1:33] <des2> excellent.
[1:34] <maicod> des2: I can't access the webserver from intern->extern->intern :(
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[1:35] <maicod> so only outsiders can test it
[1:35] <maicod> can you try this: http://www.maiconet.nl:314
[1:35] <des2> hI I'm the PI
[1:36] <maicod> OK cool its now relocated ;)
[1:36] <maicod> I can now run my normal webserver on port 80 again
[1:36] <des2> Better to put it at 31415
[1:36] <des2> As that doesn't need to be root.
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[1:36] <maicod> oh aha
[1:36] <des2> Being above 1024
[1:36] <maicod> I didnt know that !
[1:37] <des2> Or 31416 if you round .
[1:37] <maicod> des2: do you know what I need to make it reachable for me from inside ? so me typing maiconet.nl:314 ?
[1:37] <maicod> heheh yeah
[1:37] <maicod> I can now only type the Pi's internal IP
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[1:38] <des2> You need dns to resolve your name as your local host.
[1:38] <maicod> ehw
[1:38] <maicod> oh etc/hosts ?
[1:38] <maicod> add it there maybe
[1:39] <des2> what happens when you try to ping naiconet.nl ?
[1:39] <des2> Does it resolve to the correct address ?
[1:39] <maicod> from the Pi ?
[1:39] <des2> Yes.
[1:39] <maicod> yeah it does
[1:40] <des2> so it's not an IP problem it is routing.
[1:40] <maicod> wait
[1:40] <maicod> wrong putty :)
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[1:40] <maicod> 64 bytes from d55059.upc-d.chello.nl ( icmp_req=1 ttl=255 time=1.83 ms
[1:40] <maicod> it works
[1:41] <des2> ok but accessing port 314 doesn't work ?
[1:41] <^robertj> hey all, any recommendations on a cheapy-cheapo usb cam and wireless card?
[1:41] <des2> USB wireless card ?
[1:41] <maicod> lemme retry
[1:41] <^robertj> des2, yes
[1:41] <maicod> www.maiconet.nl:314 nope :(
[1:42] <maicod> I'll change the port soon btw
[1:42] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/270849834225
[1:42] <maicod> if this problem is fixed first
[1:42] <home> weird
[1:42] <maicod> yea
[1:42] <maicod> someone talked I need a loopback or so
[1:43] <des2> It sounds like your router isn't directing internal port 314 traffic to the PI
[1:43] <maicod> I don't use a router :)
[1:43] <maicod> well
[1:43] <maicod> my server is the router
[1:43] <des2> So what is the PI connected to ?
[1:43] <maicod> oh maybe thats whats wrong
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[1:44] <maicod> des2: the Pi gets his IP via dhcp from my central linux server who behaves like a router. I already portforwarded the outside IP to the Pi's internal IP
[1:44] <maicod> holdon
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[1:44] <des2> traceroute it from your other machine.
[1:44] <maicod> this windows pc ?
[1:44] <des2> It\sounds like the other machine thinks it should be handling 314 traffic.
[1:45] <maicod> its on another IP
[1:45] <maicod> same subnet ofc
[1:45] <maicod> OK
[1:45] <des2>
[1:45] <des2> that's the external IP, right ?
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[1:45] <maicod> thats the central server
[1:45] <maicod> yeag
[1:45] <maicod> yes
[1:45] <des2> And your other machines have their own internal IPs.
[1:45] <maicod> yeah and they are all in 192.168.3
[1:46] <maicod> so they can talk to eachother :)
[1:46] <des2> So your central server does the routing.
[1:46] <maicod> right
[1:46] <maicod> /usr/sbin/ipmasqadm portfw -a -P tcp -L 314 -R 314 # Raspberry Pi httpd
[1:46] <des2> So requests for go to the central server.
[1:46] <maicod> this is my portforwarding line
[1:46] <maicod> right !
[1:47] <maicod> its dhcp-client to the cablemodem
[1:47] <maicod> it behaves as dhcp-client to the cablemodem
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[1:47] <des2> So it properly handles 314 requests from outside to the PI.
[1:47] <des2> But inside requests aren't getting forwarded.
[1:47] <maicod> indeed
[1:47] <maicod> any idea why?
[1:48] <plugwash> I'm not familiar with ipmasqadm but iirc linux requires some special care if you want loopback port forwarding to work
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[1:48] <maicod> thats indeed the thing thats wrong plugwash
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[1:49] <maicod> its probably cause the Pi is not the one connecting to the outside IP
[1:49] <plugwash> it's complex to get it right because in iptables dnat happens before snat
[1:49] <maicod> okay don't worry then
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[1:50] <maicod> so its an iptable thing inside my main server
[1:50] <maicod> inside the masking script huh
[1:50] <rikkib> Linux raspberrypi 3.2.27+ #1 PREEMPT Sun Oct 14 21:37:52 NZDT 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[1:50] <maicod> des2: plugwash knew what was wrong huh :)
[1:51] <rikkib> It lives with a new kernel.
[1:51] <des2> excellent.
[1:51] <maicod> rikkib congrats :)
[1:51] <maicod> you followed my rpi-update instructions :)
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[1:52] <rikkib> Not out of the woods yet... Still get kernel errors when running motion
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[1:52] <maicod> plugwash: I got a handy friend I can ask to change the masking to make it work correctly
[1:52] <rikkib> Oct 15 12:52:25 raspberrypi kernel: [ 601.173649] VCHIQka-0 D c037bfe4 0 27 2 0x00000000
[1:52] <rikkib> Oct 15 12:52:25 raspberrypi kernel: [ 601.173760] [<c037bfe4>] (__schedule+0x2c4/0x578) from [<c0042ee0>] (kthread+0x68/0x8c)
[1:52] <rikkib> Oct 15 12:52:25 raspberrypi kernel: [ 601.173809] [<c0042ee0>] (kthread+0x68/0x8c) from [<c000e970>] (kernel_thread_exit+0x0/0x8)
[1:52] <maicod> :((((
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[1:53] <rikkib> uptime
[1:53] <rikkib> Oppps
[1:53] <rikkib> To many windows
[1:53] <^robertj> are there any tricks for headless setup of pi with the stock image, jumpers perhaps?
[1:53] <maicod> LOL
[1:53] <rikkib> 12:53:35 up 11 min, 2 users, load average: 1.99, 1.52, 0.92
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[1:54] <plugwash> ^robertj, iirc the foundation raspbian image has ssh enabled by default
[1:54] <plugwash> so you should just be able to ssh straight in
[1:54] <^robertj> plugwash, i seem to remember having to enable it on mine
[1:54] <CR48_Sean> ^robertj: there are no "jumpers" on the Pi for configuration.
[1:55] <maicod> ^robertj: that was 'before'
[1:55] <^robertj> before what?
[1:55] <rikkib> motion has been crashing after a certain period which has been somewhat extended now with fixes. But still not up to date with the latest due to power fail killing one kernel compile
[1:56] <home> I have QEMU
[1:56] <home> wtf?
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[1:56] <rikkib> Time to update from git and compile again.
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[1:56] <^robertj> CR48_Sean, SPI pins?
[1:57] <CR48_Sean> what about them?
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[1:57] <maicod> ^robertj: sorry I meant in earlier releases the ssdhd wasnt active
[1:58] <^robertj> CR48_Sean, couldnt one of them be checked for voltage?
[1:59] <CR48_Sean> TO what? enable SSH?
[1:59] <^robertj> yeah
[1:59] <CR48_Sean> Not without you writing the code to do it forst.
[1:59] <CR48_Sean> *first
[1:59] <^robertj> well yeah that's what I meant
[1:59] <CR48_Sean> Oh, yeah, you can do that, i suppose.
[1:59] <^robertj> basically to put it into a headless setup mode
[1:59] <CR48_Sean> But, fresh out of the box, no.
[1:59] <^robertj> but if SSH is on by default htats ok by me
[2:00] <CR48_Sean> you would have to write a probral or script to do that, and then run that script on the pi
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[2:00] <CR48_Sean> *program
[2:00] <CR48_Sean> (shazbutt, i cant type in the dark)
[2:01] <rikkib> Ahhh a cellar dweller :)
[2:02] <CR48_Sean> ?
[2:02] <CR48_Sean> O_o
[2:03] <des2> sshd really should be enabled by default to make life easier for people.
[2:03] <CR48_Sean> did you just call me a cellar dweller?
[2:03] <CR48_Sean> it's nighttime, you dingle.
[2:06] <rikkib> Whats a dingle? :)
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[2:06] <Opinie> a small wooded valley; a dell
[2:06] <rikkib> dell
[2:06] <rikkib> dingle dell
[2:08] <des2> Is dingle different than dongle ?
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[2:09] <rikkib> I know what a dong is and it is certainly different to a dingle or a dongle...
[2:10] <CR48_Sean>
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[2:12] <rikkib> Anyone know how to use github? I sure don't know enough.
[2:12] <rikkib> Is there a command to update instead of clone
[2:13] <rikkib> man does not seem to help me
[2:13] <ReggieUK> https://help.github.com/
[2:13] <Matt> have a look at the git book
[2:13] <Matt> probably pull or fetch will do what you want
[2:13] <rikkib> thanks
[2:13] <Matt> but it's been a while
[2:14] <rikkib> Thats the bit that confuses me
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[2:16] * rikkib backs up first
[2:19] <maicod> going offline now . seeya all later
[2:19] * rikkib makes a mental note... Clean before archiving/backing up.
[2:20] <rikkib> By
[2:20] <rikkib> e
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[2:20] <maicod> :)
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[2:25] <rikkib> Ten meter band is coming in strong today. South Pacific, US and South America
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[2:52] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Unlocked-Single-Sim-A-GPS-Cell-Phone-Android-2-1-Qwerty-keyboard-3G-Mobile-New-R-/260987200742?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item3cc40ca4e6
[2:52] <SpeedEvil> for the same as a pi.
[2:52] <SpeedEvil> mass production!
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[2:57] <des2> No WiFi, no ethernet....
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[2:59] <SpeedEvil> well, yes
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[3:28] <rikkib> OK off on another kernel build... cut down the cut down config.
[3:28] <home> blurgh
[3:28] <home> I keep getting the same kernel problem
[3:29] <rikkib> Symptoms?
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[3:35] <home> rikkib some weird, kernel panic..and keyboard input problem blah blah
[3:36] <rikkib> Hmmm
[3:38] <rikkib> 14:37:58 up 1:55, 2 users, load average: 1.25, 1.27, 1.29
[3:38] <rikkib> motion has not crashed so far
[3:39] <home> okay guys
[3:39] <home> I need to uhm
[3:39] <home> First Question: Who was the guy that told me about ltib here?
[3:41] <rikkib> Not me. I used crosstools-ng to setup
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[3:42] <rikkib> Although ltib looks like something different again
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[3:51] <midnightyell> I mentioned ltib
[3:52] <midnightyell> well, it was probably me; I talk about it more than the usual amount
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[3:54] <midnightyell> http://midnightyell.wordpress.com/ has step-by-step for LTIB for the Pi as well as getting distcc working with a cross-compiler
[3:55] <rikkib> Have you tried compiling on a ram disk?
[3:55] <midnightyell> Sort of
[3:55] <rikkib> I used to do this in the olden days.
[3:55] <ebswift> hey there i've got a wireless temperature probe like this one: http://www.joesbbqs.com.au/thermometer-digital-gasmate-p-1269.html - does anyone know what type of probe that is and how it would interface to the raspi?
[3:55] <midnightyell> I had distcc use /dev/shm as temp space
[3:56] <midnightyell> I've been using advanceMAME as a benchmark, and the final directory ends up being 100M
[3:56] <midnightyell> which is a bit much to take away from the Pi
[3:56] <rikkib> I got that running the other day
[3:57] <midnightyell> I think I've built it 4 different ways now
[3:57] <rikkib> does not like my old roms from the win98 days
[3:57] <midnightyell> yeah; it's pretty picky
[3:57] <midnightyell> I got most of the classics working tho
[3:57] <rikkib> Could not build properly
[3:58] <rikkib> I think I added to much in
[3:58] <rikkib> all support except pgsql
[3:59] <midnightyell> ebswift: That may not be trivial, seeing as how it's a consumer product
[3:59] <rikkib> I was trying to compile mame not advmame
[3:59] <rikkib> I downloaded a bin of advmame
[3:59] <midnightyell> ah; I punted on MAME; advmame just needed gcc 4.7 to build natively
[4:00] <midnightyell> 4.6 was giving bad object files
[4:00] <midnightyell> *shrug*
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[4:00] <rikkib> Thankfully compiler bugs are the first to get fixed in the order on things
[4:01] <midnightyell> ebswift: if the probe itself is providing the temperature, then you'll need an analog/digital converter to read it. Maybe an amplifier to get the signal into the range where it can be read...
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[4:02] <midnightyell> if there's a serial port on the temp probe's board, then that's how I'd interface
[4:02] <ebswift> k, i think it's doable... just finished a test circuit getting my picaxe receiving and sending serial, it's got an analog input
[4:03] <ebswift> the temp probe has a 'data' connection, though no idea what that is yet
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[4:03] <rikkib> What temp are you wanting to measure?
[4:04] <ebswift> i don't have the probe with me, do they just show variable resistance for temperature?
[4:04] <ebswift> rikkib - i want it for sous vide
[4:04] <locutox> sous vide!
[4:04] <rikkib> ahhh don't know what that is but maybe cooking...
[4:04] <ebswift> and maybe even use the probe for the bbq - setup a little web server on the raspi, and be able to watch the temperature from my phone - it'll be pretty modular and versatile i think
[4:05] <rikkib> BBQ tem appliance
[4:05] <rikkib> temp
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[4:05] <ebswift> just looking at re-using gear on-hand - most senders i've seen don't have any decent type of probe - the probe in the link is pretty-much heat proof
[4:05] <ebswift> *sensors
[4:06] <midnightyell> Well, believe it or not, the fastest way to accomplish that might be to hook up a webcam and watch the images that are captured
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[4:06] <rikkib> picaxe =5v or 3v?
[4:06] <ebswift> erm, the 08m2 apparently operates over a bit of a range... i'll have a look
[4:07] <rikkib> I use MC9S08 = 3.3v
[4:07] <midnightyell> yeah, pic should have analog in
[4:07] <midnightyell> then serial/spi/i2c from the pic to the pi
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[4:08] <ebswift> 2.3-5V
[4:08] <ebswift> picaxe is cheap as chips and removes a lot of complexity for this sort of stuff i think
[4:08] <ebswift> rather than trying to invent/build an AtoD converter
[4:09] <rikkib> bias the probe to 3.3v and measure with pic a/d
[4:09] <midnightyell> I don't know picaxe, but I know PIC. I love the PIC except that it's a pain to program unless you set up in-circuit-programming
[4:09] <ebswift> how do you mean bias the probe? i'm an electronics newbie
[4:09] <rikkib> Keep current below 50mA and you can power it from the gpio
[4:10] <ebswift> midnightyell, picaxe are really easy to program, you just need a serial or USB-serial cable... i know nothing and i can build little circuits and stepper controllers and program them
[4:12] <midnightyell> Cool; the PIC generally needs a specialized programmer that runs at 18V
[4:12] <ebswift> you can even program in basic or using modular 'pictures'
[4:12] <midnightyell> and that usually involves removing the chip from the breadboard, placing it in the ZIF socket... etc.
[4:12] <ebswift> probably the perfect marriage to raspi when looking at analog stuff
[4:13] <midnightyell> Arduino seems to also be a decent match to the PI, except for that 3.3v/5v thing
[4:13] <ebswift> i just made a switch that switches between 'program' mode and serial I/O mode... dead easy stuff
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[4:13] <ebswift> arduino has a fair bit higher entry cost
[4:13] <ebswift> and their 'modules' seem expensive
[4:13] <rikkib> ebswift, I follow the S08 and STM32V (ARM Cortex M3 with 3.2" 320x240 TFT) and the RPi now to add to the full arsenal.
[4:14] <midnightyell> cool; i'll have to look at them. Like I don;t have enough different flavors of microcontrollers :)
[4:14] <midnightyell> Arduino Leo is about $21
[4:14] <midnightyell> and you don't have to buy shields; they just make life easier
[4:14] <rikkib> Have 3 HC11 dev boards
[4:15] <ebswift> picaxe is about $3, total parts to interface for program is only another few $
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[4:15] <ebswift> there are far better things than picaxe, i just think they're damned easy and can actually do a lot (as well as being cheap)
[4:16] <rikkib> ebarch, Getting cheaper on many levels now. Buy modules out of China. Clip it all together.
[4:17] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/rpi-rly.jpg
[4:17] <rikkib> That is what I have running on the bench now
[4:17] <midnightyell> where'd you get those jumper wires?
[4:18] <rikkib> PC's
[4:18] <rikkib> front panel
[4:18] <midnightyell> yeah; me too
[4:18] <midnightyell> I wan to buy about 50
[4:18] <midnightyell> want
[4:18] <rikkib> Got access to millions
[4:18] <ebswift> that link really doesn't want to load here
[4:19] <rikkib> A friend runs the largest pc recycle place in NZ
[4:19] <midnightyell> hell, wires with friction female connectors on both ends aould be great
[4:19] <midnightyell> well, save me 50
[4:19] <ebswift> ah, there we go... nice setup!
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[4:19] <midnightyell> I like the relay boards
[4:19] <midnightyell> how much can that switch?
[4:20] <rikkib> 10A 230v
[4:20] <rikkib> ac
[4:20] <midnightyell> niiice
[4:20] <rikkib> 10A 50VDC
[4:20] <midnightyell> gonna control xmas lights?
[4:21] <rikkib> Really just a barrier as they only switch control voltages
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[4:21] <midnightyell> Okay; I think I'm going to go downstairs and play with Arduino and stepper motors tonight
[4:21] <midnightyell> and either shoot or replace the battery in a smoke detector
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[4:24] <ebswift> here's my little picaxe serial I/O test setup... very few components, nothing hidden inside the eclipse tin http://tinypic.com/r/iyg10h/6
[4:25] <ebswift> i'll play with that and try and reduce the components, but i had some kind of data corruption last time i tried
[4:25] <midnightyell> Awww. 8-pin DIPs are so cute
[4:27] <rikkib> Gum tin psu?
[4:27] <midnightyell> right. Arduino. Downstairs. If I build advMAME once more, I'll scream
[4:28] <ebswift> nah, the gum tin just holds the comms connector and switch for comm/program
[4:28] <rikkib> I just fired up my S08 board and the nokia display hooked to it fired up
[4:28] <ebswift> i kept getting that part tangled up
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[4:34] <ebswift> i think one of the more difficult hurdles i'm going to have is my wifi usb stick for the raspi seems to go to sleep and won't wake up... it won't be a very reliable temperature monitor if it does that
[4:35] <ebswift> or rather it disconnects after a time and won't auto reconnect
[4:36] <heathkid> anyone think adafruit will have everything in stock all the time? :)
[4:37] <heathkid> I'd love to just place an order for everything I want at once...
[4:37] <heathkid> instead... get a notification and you've got *minutes* to get your order placed...
[4:37] <heathkid> am I wrong?
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[5:39] <Xark> heathkid: They do seem to have trouble keeping stocked. :) They are moving to a much larger space, so maybe that will help their inventory.
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[5:40] <des2> Sounds like monoprice
[5:40] <des2> Never have everything I want for a single order.
[5:46] <Xark> des2: Yes, but the amazing thing about Adafruit is, like heathkid mentioned, when you get an email "foo is back in stock" and if you don't race to the site, it will be sold out again. This happened to me twice with their clear case (but third time was a charm). :)
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[5:47] <discopig> hi
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[5:48] <des2> Well food onthem
[5:48] <Xark> I am amazed they seem to be burning through their $75 aluminum RasPi cases/heat sinks (selling like 80 in a day or two).
[5:48] <des2> $75?!
[5:48] <Xark> Yep. It is nice and all, but...
[5:49] <Xark> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1039
[5:50] <des2> comes with free allen wrench!
[5:51] <Xark> des2: Yeah, and thermal paste too! :)
[5:52] <des2> Another item where all the money is made selling accessories.
[5:53] <des2> I wonder if ada will be getting the 512Meg Pis since they get theirs from the UK.
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[5:54] <Xark> des2: Yeah, I suspect Adafruit is quite happy with the RaspPi (however, have done a good job on their learn.adafruit.com tutorials, so more power to them). :)
[5:54] <des2> Yeah even the case has a nice video.
[5:54] <Xark> ...wait 512NB Pi? Did I miss an announcement?
[5:54] <Xark> MB*
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[5:55] <des2> Did you miss the 512Mb Pis being shipped ?
[5:56] <Xark> I did. I saw rev #2 article, but missed that it had more RAM...
[5:56] <des2> this is new
[5:56] <des2> http://uk.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-modb-512m/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b-512mb/dp/2191863
[5:58] <Xark> Very cool.
[5:59] <des2> on raspberrypi.org someone said they got a Piwith a note that they were getting a free 512MB upgrade.
[5:59] <SpeedEvil> model c has a reteroencabulator.
[5:59] <des2> This may be a farnell UK only thing.
[6:01] <ReggieUK> check the forums
[6:02] <ReggieUK> they've shown up in au and the us too I believe
[6:02] <ReggieUK> at least on the farnell related sites
[6:02] <Xark> ReggieUK: A free 512MB upgrade note?
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[6:03] <ReggieUK> not sure about the upgrade notes but the 512MB devices being listed as available to buy
[6:03] <Xark> Right.
[6:04] <Xark> I can assume the 512MB ones are "Rev 2" also, right?
[6:04] <des2> yes
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[6:05] <Xark> Well, glad I waited to get a Rev 2s to become widely available then. :)
[6:05] <Xark> des2: Now I have an excuse to get a $75 case! :)
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[6:06] <rikkib> I have two from RS and two on back order... Starting to regret ordering the extra two.
[6:06] <Xark> rikkib: Yeah. I still have one new in the box...
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[6:07] <rikkib> I have both mine ruing web cams and control software for the gpio
[6:07] <Xark> rikkib: In the confusion, I signed up for two from E14 (I assumed they would cancel one, but both showed up).
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[6:07] <rikkib> I got one from RS UK and one from RS NZ :)
[6:07] <Xark> rikkib: Cool.
[6:08] <rikkib> Both arriving within days of each other.
[6:08] <rikkib> Gonna have to have a talk to both my RS and E14 rep
[6:09] <Xark> rikkib: What are you doing with the GPIO on your webcam Pi's?
[6:09] <rikkib> In NZ E14 have been saying they have stock
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[6:09] <rikkib> switches and relays
[6:10] <rikkib> to control a gate opener
[6:10] <rikkib> see the victim
[6:10] <rikkib> perp
[6:10] <rikkib> :)
[6:10] <rikkib> talk to the gate
[6:10] <Xark> rikkib: Cool.
[6:10] <rikkib> audio back to end point that answers
[6:10] <Xark> rikkib: Are these using wired or wireless?
[6:11] <rikkib> inside an intranet at this point but getting to the outside world is easy enough
[6:11] <rikkib> wired
[6:11] <rikkib> 150m to one gate
[6:11] <rikkib> 50m to other gate
[6:11] <Xark> rikkib: Sounds like a great app for the RPi.
[6:11] <rikkib> also sheds to protect
[6:11] <rikkib> engineering type sheds
[6:12] <rikkib> The owner works for the largest computer co in NZ
[6:12] <rikkib> system integrators
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[6:12] <Xark> Sounds like a nice gig.
[6:13] <rikkib> Private project for his toys
[6:13] <rikkib> But potential to get noticed
[6:15] <rikkib> Wish I had a utube account... My 100KB out speed on my adsl makes it a problem putting the vids I recorded today on my web site (hosted here at home).
[6:16] <rikkib> 35mb each or so
[6:16] <SpeedEvil> yeah. getting a YouTube account is hard.
[6:16] <Xark> rikkib: Can't you create a youtube account?
[6:17] <rikkib> Probably but reluctant to
[6:18] <rikkib> Try to keep a low profile on the net in the past...
[6:18] <des2> Don't use your real name. No one else does...
[6:18] <Xark> rikkib: I understand that, but you can make one without any identifying info (other than your vids).
[6:19] <rikkib> I live on fixed IP with rev dns that points straight to me/my name
[6:20] <rikkib> But that is not the issue... I will look into it.
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[6:21] <Xark> rikkib: Well, Google will know who you are (no doubt they have a file on you already), but I don't think other people can tell what IP you used.
[6:21] <rikkib> Nasty spammers do not like me
[6:23] <rikkib> dig bencom.co.nz or zlham.geek.nz
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[6:24] <rikkib> I run my own private net here at home on that ip address
[6:24] <rikkib> The computer I am sitting in front of is my gateway machine with two nics in it.
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[6:26] <rikkib> Speaking of which. A security update is in order.
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[6:29] <des2> I had a static IP at one time but I'm not really keen on getting another. Makes you too followable.
[6:29] <rikkib> My kernel is linking... Not far to go now.
[6:30] <rikkib> Yes... But in reality everybody is.
[6:31] <rikkib> But I am clever enough to run my own home sever so why not. I do ftp/www/mail and other stuff
[6:32] <rikkib> Actually been running home linux gateways since 1998
[6:33] <home> my homeserver is a P4
[6:33] <home> lol
[6:33] <home> should use a PI
[6:33] <home> and migrate web server and other stuff >.>
[6:33] <home> but cant wait for the next PI
[6:33] <home> 15 dollars! For a Raspberry Pi, is gonna be amazing
[6:33] <des2> $25.
[6:33] <rikkib> $56NZD for mine
[6:34] <rikkib> RS
[6:34] <des2> For the model A which should be out before the end of the year.
[6:34] <home> price fluctuations should bring it down
[6:35] <home> we are in a new age :d
[6:35] <home> I am excited :D, even though everyone will be much smarter than me :D
[6:35] <home> Ill just have my minions steal everyones braaaaiiiins
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[6:35] <des2> That's what blogs are for.
[6:35] <PhilipTJ> I realised it was the future when I started an MIT course for free online.
[6:36] <PhilipTJ> RPi was a helping factor in that.
[6:36] <Datalink> I didn't get called back for that stuff :/
[6:36] <des2> ?
[6:36] <des2> How did RPi help ?
[6:37] <PhilipTJ> I saw that Python was heavily encouraged with it, and I searched for online Python courses a week ago and managed to sign up to the EdX course.
[6:38] <des2> ah
[6:39] <PhilipTJ> The plan would be to eventually do something with the RPi.
[6:39] <PhilipTJ> I just don't know enough to do anything with it yet, apart from think it's damn cool.
[6:39] <des2> heh.
[6:39] <des2> Well you can surk the internet with it, that's something.
[6:39] <des2> surf even
[6:39] <rikkib> It is cool that is for sure...
[6:40] <rikkib> Just to sort out some audio streaming and it will be doing what I want.
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[6:41] <rikkib> Just the ability to control the gpio is fantastic
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[6:42] <rikkib> That I am a Linux geek makes it a no brainer
[6:42] <des2> Computers used to have parallel ports.
[6:42] <des2> They were ideal interfacing ports.
[6:42] <des2> There's books written about parallel port interfacing.
[6:42] <Datalink> another channel started talking about the pi... the inaccuracy of listening to gamer type computer folks talk about embedded hardware makes my head hurt
[6:42] <rikkib> size and cost being another selling factor
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[6:44] <rikkib> I have done PC control of glass houses and other things and or maintained systems such as contact lens cnc lathes
[6:45] <des2> contact lens lathes ?
[6:46] <rikkib> cnc machines running cpm
[6:46] <des2> cpm heh.
[6:47] <rikkib> 10mb hdd 640k ram 8080
[6:47] <rikkib> 8mhz
[6:47] <des2> Hey an original IBM PC
[6:47] <Xark> rikkib: Hmm, that is quite a lot of RAM for an 8080...
[6:48] <rikkib> commercial machines of the day
[6:48] <Xark> rikkib: Band switched?
[6:48] <Xark> bank*
[6:48] <rikkib> Only one arm and one leg
[6:48] <Xark> rikkib: Or do you mean 8086?
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[6:48] <rikkib> 8080
[6:49] <Xark> rikkib: Interesting. The first company I worked for had a Z-80 with lots of memory, but it ran M/PM (16K for OS, 48K per user banked in).
[6:50] <rikkib> I did computer support when they were being born having moved from the spacy industry
[6:50] <rikkib> Z80 days
[6:52] <rikkib> So I have seen most on it come and go. The RPi is really up there.
[6:52] <rikkib> With IPv6 on its way you will see more RPi on the net and other appliances like it.
[6:53] <Datalink> some day I want to try Z80 coding, so I can program my TI calculator and just experience another properly significant processor
[6:53] <des2> I once paid $2,400 for 64MB of memory....
[6:53] <Xark> Datalink: I have a bare chip and some static RAM waiting for when I have "too much time". :) Hmm, I also have a TI-83+ (but no cable...).
[6:53] <Datalink> a friend sent me a pic of the 10 meg hard drive priced at $3,300 yesterday, I think I was more scared that I had seen the era that existed.
[6:54] <Datalink> Xark, I'm fortunate, mine's an 84+Silver, so it has a USB port
[6:54] <SpeedEvil> and at that time, people were boggling that you could get 10mwgs for 3300
[6:54] <rikkib> We reverse engineered Z80 code in the early days when we managed to get a gaming machine from oversees (Pokey type game)
[6:55] <des2> heh
[6:55] <rikkib> No such thing in this country at the time
[6:55] <rikkib> No laws
[6:55] <Datalink> SpeedEvil, yeah, it was cheap then
[6:55] <rikkib> We kept getting busted by the authorities
[6:55] <rikkib> Who did know what to do
[6:56] <rikkib> Evenually they made laws and the company was allowed to run the machines legally
[6:56] <rikkib> Me just day job worker. Then boss kept getting locked up :)
[6:57] <des2> heh
[6:57] * Xark fondly remembers his ~8MB Corvus HD for the Apple ][ (two Apples at once even). Got it used for $800 (went in with my roommate), but it was $3500 new. Sounded like a jet engine starting up -> http://www.old-computers.com/museum/hardware/atari_atari800_hd-corvus-systems_1.jpg
[6:57] <rikkib> But they used to take my machine faster than I could make them for a while
[6:57] <rikkib> machines
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[7:02] <Xark> rikkib: Steady employment, I guess (assuming your boss was able to keep writing checks from jail). :)
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[7:03] <rikkib> He did not stay in jail for long
[7:03] <rikkib> NZ
[7:03] <rikkib> Bit slow on the uptake of new laws
[7:04] <rikkib> Laws could not hold water
[7:04] <Xark> rikkib: The owner of a company I worked for had to spend weekends in jail (for selling "overclocked" [remarked] Z-80s to the US military). :)
[7:04] <rikkib> lol
[7:05] <Xark> Old 8-bit game company DataSoft. :)
[7:05] <rikkib> Mils market is difficult
[7:06] <Xark> Yeah, especially so if you try to sell 2Mhz chips as 4Mhz (with an extremely high failure rate). :)
[7:06] <rikkib> Did some time drawing circuit diagrams for a mils simulation stuff. Lasers strapped to guns and sensors on vests/helmets
[7:07] <rikkib> That was 68HC11.
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[7:09] <Xark> Hmm. Like 6800 with an extra Y register. I haven't really used either of those (but I quite liked 6809 for an 8-bit CPU).
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[7:12] <rikkib> My current line up is the RPi, STM32V and MC9S08QG
[7:12] <rikkib> All 3.3v low power devices
[7:13] <Xark> Hmm, so is STM32V ARM and what is MC9S08QG?
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[7:13] <rikkib> STM32V is ARM M3 Cortex
[7:13] <Xark> Hmm, Freescale 8-bit MCU...
[7:14] <rikkib> 08 Freescale
[7:14] <rikkib> mini hc11
[7:14] <rikkib> spi bus stuff
[7:14] <Xark> Right. You must be quite familiar with that arch by now. :)
[7:15] <rikkib> I am going to hook both to my RPI once I nail this first project which is getting close to waiting for other things to be ready
[7:16] <rikkib> In other words I am ready to get a machine in place but the location is not
[7:16] <rikkib> Large earth works being the hold up until the end on this month
[7:16] <Essobi> I've got a 3.3V AVR 328P I've been using SPI to program and talk to over the GPIO && linux SPI driver.
[7:17] <rikkib> Choice
[7:18] <Essobi> Gotta re-write my code now that the RPI deviced to trash the ext4 fs.
[7:18] <rikkib> Have to write much stuff to get the slave going?
[7:18] <Essobi> Naw, not at all.
[7:18] <rikkib> Beat me to it
[7:18] <rikkib> That is good
[7:19] <Essobi> I'm working on some other stuff atm, but I'm going to re-write the code and post it up.
[7:19] <Essobi> http://www.repyoblog.com/index.php/2012/10/raspberry-pi-with-avr-328p-using-spi-and-gpio/
[7:19] <Essobi> But that's the hardware write up.
[7:19] <rikkib> Thanks...bookmarked for ref
[7:20] <Essobi> NP.
[7:20] <Essobi> Check back in a few weeks, I should have the code up sometime by then.
[7:20] <home> RPI trashing ext4? LIES
[7:20] <home> its almost like they decided to adopt Samsungs shitty new fs
[7:23] <Xark> Essobi: Neat. However, I am not sure whether to put it AVR or Raspberry Pi bookmark folder. :)
[7:23] <rikkib> Gotcha # umteen: Had a switch on P1 pulling it to earth thru a 560ohm res. On boot the RPi must read this port and sets about booting into an emergency mode with minimal system.
[7:23] <Essobi> Xark: Hahaha. :D
[7:24] <Xark> Essobi: Both! :D
[7:24] <Essobi> home: Yea.. when I pulled the card and tried to recover it in the main system, I kept getting incomplete written blocks. No f'ing idea how that happened.
[7:24] <rikkib> Scratched my head. Re-imaged the SD. Pulled the switch off the port. Hey presto.
[7:24] <home> Essobi: what?
[7:25] <Essobi> home: My ext4 that was trashed.
[7:25] <Essobi> ...
[7:25] <Xark> rikkib: Hehe, I can see that being confusing (and not sure that was documented anywhere [obvious]). :)
[7:25] <Essobi> rikkib: What pin was doing that?
[7:26] <rikkib> P1
[7:26] <Essobi> rikkib: You mean P1-01?
[7:26] <rikkib> I2C
[7:27] <rikkib> GPIO 1
[7:27] <Essobi> rikkib: Ah. P1-05.
[7:27] <rikkib> Yep
[7:28] <Essobi> Interesting. did it still get the rainbow? Was it booting into the kernel?
[7:28] <rikkib> Yes to those
[7:29] <rikkib> Was an emergency kernel with all the normal stuff and not ext4 part mounted
[7:30] <Essobi> So like... single user mode?
[7:30] <rikkib> Yep
[7:30] <rikkib> No net
[7:30] <Xark> Busybox or something?
[7:30] <rikkib> yep thats it
[7:31] <Essobi> Nice find.
[7:31] <rikkib> 640x480
[7:31] <Xark> rikkib: Sounds like a handy thing to know about (if you hose your main partition).
[7:32] <rikkib> Did not check it out much /dev etc or whether you can see the SD card parts
[7:33] * Xark used to carry around a "business card Linux" distro (on a rectangular biz-card CD-ROM) as an emergency boot.
[7:33] <Essobi> No shit... where's the busybox bin coming from?
[7:33] <rikkib> I have been running Linux since 1997 and have never really needed having to recover much
[7:33] <Essobi> Man, I gotta play with that now.
[7:34] <Xark> Essobi: Probably a ramdisk appended to the emergency kernel image.
[7:34] <Essobi> Xark: true that
[7:34] <rikkib> Yep was
[7:34] <Xark> rikkib: No, mostly I ended up using mine to rescue Windows machines. :)
[7:34] <rikkib> I remember seeing that device
[7:35] <rikkib> Xark, Yep same. Take the drive out of the win machine and mount it in Linux
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[7:37] <rikkib> Being Linux literate makes dealing with the RPi and the SD card much easier
[7:38] <rikkib> make modules_install nearly there
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[7:39] <rikkib> One more stage to go... tar image and modules and transfer to my dev RPi
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[7:40] <rikkib> 3 or 4 hrs to build a new kernel
[7:40] <shiftplusone> cross-compile
[7:40] <rikkib> yep
[7:40] <shiftplusone> ....3 hours?
[7:41] <rikkib> about
[7:41] <rikkib> cutdown
[7:41] <rikkib> and then cut down some more
[7:41] <shiftplusone> compiling on an abacus? =p
[7:41] <qrwteyrutiyoup> Lol
[7:41] <rikkib> full takes like 8 or 9
[7:41] <Essobi> hahaha
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[7:42] <rikkib> low ram machine
[7:42] <rikkib> 512mb
[7:42] <rikkib> Debian Linux 6
[7:43] <rikkib> 1.2GHz
[7:43] <qrwteyrutiyoup> tough..
[7:43] <shiftplusone> hm =/
[7:43] <rikkib> P4 I think
[7:43] <rikkib> Still it is just a spare machine assigned to the RPi
[7:43] <shiftplusone> Wouldn't expect it to take so long even on those specs (which are decent)
[7:46] <rikkib> 770mb of kernel means running a ram disk is a problem on my machine
[7:46] <rikkib> Need more ram
[7:46] <rikkib> more power
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[7:49] <home> whats ramdisk?
[7:49] <home> I got 8gigs of ram
[7:49] <home> 7.28 GiB... to be exact :D
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[7:52] <rikkib> ramdisk mean fast compile :)
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[7:52] <rikkib> set up a disk drive in ram
[7:53] <rikkib> Been so long since I did it
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[7:53] <rikkib> The will be a ramdisk howto
[7:53] <home> wtf
[7:54] <home> really?
[7:54] <home> can I do that with Gentoo, or something
[7:54] <rikkib> Create ram disk. copy kernel to it, compile
[7:54] <home> teach me master
[7:54] <rikkib> copy images back to hdd
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[7:54] <rikkib> and mod install to hdd
[7:55] <rikkib> then you make a deb package and install the kernel that way
[7:55] <rikkib> That is the way I did it when you had to roll your own
[7:55] <bircoe> http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=614956
[7:57] <bircoe> make sure you allocate more RAM to the RAMDISK than the compile process is going to need, or else it will swap to disk...
[7:57] <rikkib> compiling is disk intensive of sorts
[7:59] <rikkib> The mind boggles at the stuff I have forgotten that is starting to come back again.
[8:01] <rikkib> I have not done any performance measurement since computers got fast enough not to care anymore.
[8:03] <bircoe> me either...
[8:03] <home> you guys are just old
[8:03] <home> shame on you
[8:03] <home> <<<little kid
[8:03] <bircoe> what age is the old cut off?
[8:04] <home> whenever I talk, everyone is old :D
[8:04] <home> ...:*(
[8:04] <home> forever kid...
[8:04] <bircoe> how old are you?
[8:04] <home> I think 17 :(
[8:04] <home> turning 18 soon
[8:05] <home> *cry*
[8:05] <home> I don't want to be an adult >.<
[8:05] <bircoe> wow... I haven't been 18 for ummm... more than 10 years!
[8:05] <bircoe> being an adult is fun
[8:05] <home> lies
[8:05] <home> I see people
[8:06] <home> I don't want to work, EVER
[8:06] <rikkib> cough 52
[8:06] <bircoe> OLLLDDDD
[8:06] <home> rikkib: see, I was right! shame on you :D
[8:06] <bircoe> work can be fun if you make it fun....
[8:06] <home> lies
[8:06] <home> I am always not motivated
[8:06] <bircoe> my office is full of Nerf guns :)
[8:06] <home> people make fun of me too
[8:06] <rikkib> My fun is my work
[8:07] <des2> Have nerf basketball hoop ?
[8:07] <bircoe> no just dart and disk battles
[8:07] <rikkib> Lucky to be born in an era where I have been able to follow my interests
[8:07] <bircoe> it's still possible
[8:08] <rikkib> Slug guns with red berries
[8:08] <bircoe> it took me a while to land a job i actually wanted...
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[8:09] <bircoe> but I love it now, and I'm making my way up the ranks :) making the mere mortals my bitches!
[8:09] <bircoe> well not quiet...
[8:09] <home> bircoe: right, I would rather waste my time doing something meaningful
[8:09] <rikkib> .177 caliber air riffles where oru toys when I was a kid
[8:09] <bircoe> home, my job is more meaningful than most peoples jobs
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[8:10] <home> you got yours
[8:10] <home> by probably going to uni and getting a degree
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[8:10] <bircoe> nope, no degree
[8:10] <home> bull
[8:10] <home> dropped out?
[8:10] <bircoe> never went to Uni
[8:10] <home> you are probably a coder of some sort than
[8:10] <home> what do you do?
[8:10] <bircoe> I left school at the end of year 11 to get a job, and struggled for 10 years or so with crappy jobs till I landed this one
[8:11] <home> see
[8:11] <home> 10 YEARS
[8:11] <home> isn't that GREAT?
[8:12] <home> bircoe: did you get kicked out?
[8:12] <bircoe> IT Helpdesk, but as a "senior" team member, I don't do a whole bunch of helpdesky crap, allot of scripting, programming, low level probing of comms devices
[8:12] <bircoe> nope, just hard typing with one hand... holding a baby at the momnet.
[8:13] <home> :/
[8:13] <home> I don't want to be an IT Helpdesk
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[8:13] <home> bleh
[8:14] <home> you make me feel even sadder now :*(
[8:14] <bircoe> if you don't get some sort of skill it's where you have to start...
[8:14] <home> I have skills >.>
[8:14] <home> but....
[8:14] <home> your story is just sad
[8:14] <bircoe> our helpdesk is pretty good, because we work shift we get paid a bucket load
[8:14] <bircoe> you walk in at like 70 grand
[8:16] <rikkib> 5.2mb kernel now down to 3.9mb
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[8:17] <rikkib> if the power goes off now...
[8:17] <bircoe> there's nothing sad about my story, I've had allot of fun getting here... If I stuck school out and went to Uni i would have been much further by now, but nothing that can be done about that now!
[8:18] <rikkib> Nothing wrong with Hell desk :)
[8:18] <bircoe> that's one way of putting it :)
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[8:18] <rikkib> Developing on any level is good
[8:18] <bircoe> it has it's good times and it's bad
[8:19] <rikkib> I did years with people walking in off the street PC in hand
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[8:20] <bircoe> I'm lucky not to be that kind of Helpdesk...
[8:21] <bircoe> I work in a gov organisation, in a tightly controlled environment, we have like 4 models of PC's all running the exact same environment.
[8:21] <rikkib> and small businesses with machines
[8:21] <rikkib> Laser cutters
[8:21] <bircoe> nice
[8:21] <rikkib> cad stuff
[8:21] <bircoe> I want to learn about that kind of stuff.
[8:21] <bircoe> it'd be fun
[8:22] <rikkib> you do some of the businesses stuff and you eventually get the rest
[8:22] <home> I want to work with lasers
[8:22] <bircoe> anyhoo, gunna go mow some lawns
[8:22] <rikkib> We used to specialize in trouble shooting
[8:22] <home> I am interested in one thing: power
[8:23] <home> I just want to be better than everyone else
[8:23] <home> thats my goal :)
[8:23] <rikkib> Monitor power into building and make sure all machines go 24/7
[8:23] <home> maybe become a politician one day
[8:23] <home> that everyone can look over :/
[8:23] <bircoe> fck that
[8:23] <home> we really need free transportation in this country
[8:23] <home> for anyone
[8:24] <rikkib> Dinner time for me... Chicken & shake on the way. I gotta cook the chips.
[8:25] <home> bircoe: :o if the mod saw you say that, he would kick you :*(
[8:25] <bircoe> you americans... want everything for free
[8:25] <bircoe> i didn't say anything... it was a typo :P
[8:26] <bircoe> any how, out on the mower
[8:27] <shiftplusone> bircoe, please check the topic, "No Foul Language"
[8:29] <home> fsck that!
[8:29] <home> shiftplusone: can't say thats foul, foo!
[8:30] <shiftplusone> I can, but I cbf opping myself.
[8:30] <shiftplusone> and I suppose I just broke the rule myself sort of... I'll get my coat.
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[8:30] <home> lol
[8:32] <rikkib> Looks like my cutdown kernel lives but some errors where seen on boot... Investigate after dinner
[8:32] <shiftplusone> rikkib, then time for another 4 hour compile? >_<
[8:33] <rikkib> yep... hmm mysql spits the dummy
[8:35] <home> rikkib: please help me with my kernel
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[10:02] <Jck_true> Parachute for sale - Only used once - Never unfolded - Small blodstains - Sold due to sudden bad health - For enquires please call Mrs. Baumgartner
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[10:09] <eix> Jck_true: how is he?
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[10:15] <Jck_true> eix: He made it LOL - No worries :9 128000 feet drop :)
[10:15] <Jck_true> Just didn't break the record for longest freefall
[10:15] <Datalink> fastest, not longest, still held by another member of the team
[10:16] <Peetz0r> it's only twice as high as most airplanes ever go :p
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[10:18] <Datalink> The 43-year-old Austrian skydiving expert also broke two other world records (highest freefall, highest manned balloon flight), leaving the longest freefall to project mentor Col. Joe Kittinger.
[10:18] <Datalink> from Stratos' blog, pending gov't body review of data
[10:19] <Jck_true> Datalink: Question only reminds if he deployed his parachute because of the fogging of the visor or he wanted to leave the record for Kittinger
[10:20] <Datalink> probably the visor, Kittinger's on record as saying he'd be happy to have his records broken, probably because he is on the team and still is a part of the attempt
[10:21] <des2> 'records are made to be broken'
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[10:22] <Jck_true> Watched it with my dad - Fun how started to retell about the moon landings in 69 :)
[10:22] <Datalink> either way... boom, records...
[10:22] <Datalink> Jck_true, that's one wonder I would have loved to have seen live
[10:23] <Jck_true> One small step for man - One giant leap for mankind...
[10:24] <Jck_true> hmm - Did James Cameron make it to the bottom yet?
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[10:25] <Datalink> NASA's equipment was not broadcast compatible...they actually had to relay the biggest moment in the 20th century to a NASA monitor and a camera pointing at it
[10:30] <Xark> Datalink: Is that what is up with the intense flickering...
[10:31] <Xark> Datalink: I remember seeing later missions where moving things would strobe R G B.
[10:31] <Datalink> yes, NASA's equipment ran at a different RGB
[10:31] <Datalink> er framerate
[10:32] <Datalink> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_TV_camera 10 fps slow scan
[10:35] <eix> Jck_true: wait wait wait..what's james cameron doing?
[10:35] <nid0> presumably he was referring to his mariana trench visit
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[10:37] <eix> nid0: I read about that. but is that manned?
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[10:37] <nid0> eix, yes, he went down there himself
[10:37] <GabrialDestruir> Curious are there any sites making franken cables for the Atrix 4G Laptop Docks?
[10:37] <nid0> and it was months ago, 25th of march he did it
[10:37] <eix> nid0: ah, k. thanks
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[10:42] <Datalink> then Cameron makes "Finding Nemo, in Space"
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[10:44] <JamesHarrison> Going to throw this issue at the channel again - I have two Pis both of which are exhibiting an issue where the USB /and/ ethernet devices lose power and regain it intermittently. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D963EHvl-Xs shows this happening on a board which is just sat at the Raspbian desktop. https://gist.github.com/3891494 is dmesg from the card.
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> JamesHarrison, have you checked the voltage on the board at the test points?
[10:46] <JamesHarrison> gordonDrogon: No, but I have a multimeter handy. between TP1/TP2 or between ground and those two?
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> between tp1/2.
[10:46] <Mike-N-Go> JamesHarrison: What powersupply are you using?
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> that's the 5v line.
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> if it's below about 4.7 then you may have issues.
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[10:49] <des2> Probably needs to be around 4.9v +
[10:50] <JamesHarrison> gordonDrogon: 4.87 through boot, at desktop 4.89
[10:50] <gordonDrogon> JamesHarrison, note that the Ethernet on the Pi is a USB device, so if the USB chip has issues, then so will the Ethernet - and that chip needs 5v.
[10:50] <JamesHarrison> gordonDrogon: 4.80 now ethernet is up
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[10:50] <gordonDrogon> also did you see the bit on the raspberrypi.org website about the fake apple usb chargers? It's not one of them, is it?
[10:50] <JamesHarrison> and it failed at that. intermittent again
[10:51] <gordonDrogon> maybe it's a bit more sensitive. Do you have another PSU you can try?
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[10:51] <JamesHarrison> This is a 1200mA 5V Nokia charger with a decently thick cable, I've tried a variety of others including the RS PSU for Pi
[10:52] <JamesHarrison> And this is common across two boards
[10:52] <des2> 4.80 is a little marginal for the Pi.
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> mine read 4.8 ...
[10:53] <eix> can I get 5V from somewhere on the raspberrypi? I am going to connect something to GPIO and need 5V for it
[10:53] <Jck_true> eix: Pin 1
[10:53] <eix> Jck_true: yahoo!
[10:53] <des2> the GPIO has 5v
[10:53] <eix> cool
[10:53] <crenn> GASP! The Model B has 512MB now!
[10:54] <chithead> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals#General_Purpose_Input.2FOutput_.28GPIO.29
[10:54] <Jck_true> eix: But do note that the other GPIO pins are only 3V3 - And whatever power you pull goes from the original 700mA ploy fuse
[10:54] <drivelights> yess! 512MB I just read that the model B will have it
[10:54] <des2> Yes but apparently only some of the newer Farnell ones have 5V.
[10:54] <JamesHarrison> gordonDrogon, des2: I'm at a bit of a loss if the recommended charger that exceeds the specifications for power is failing to power the device
[10:55] <JamesHarrison> I'm convinced this has to either be a fault with the board or software
[10:55] <buZz> sounds like a fault with the 'charger'
[10:55] <crenn> Here is the link if people are wondering: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2180
[10:55] <eix> des2: on all pins?
[10:55] <des2> Well James the PI power is problematic.
[10:55] <eix> Jck_true: in that case I would need a buffer?
[10:55] <JamesHarrison> Could there be something in the firmware or configuration of the device that would result in the USB bus becoming unusable?
[10:55] <des2> There are reports it needs above 4.8 Volts
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[10:55] <des2> And this may vary from one unit to another.
[10:56] <JamesHarrison> buZz: I've tried six different chargers all of which are decent quality devices and bought two more specifically to rule out charger faults
[10:56] <buZz> but do you see 5V between TP1 and TP2?
[10:56] <eix> is it just me, or farnell is more expensive on the cheap stuff, and ok on the expensive stuff?
[10:56] <JamesHarrison> des2: Two boards, disparate (one from RS, one from Farnell) - maybe I'm unlucky...
[10:56] <GabrialDestruir> They're upgrading Model Bs to 512?
[10:56] <JamesHarrison> buZz: 4.85 at desktop or thereabouts
[10:56] <des2> Also you are viewing the power statically with a voltmeter. You also need to consider ripple which really needsan oscilloscope to see.
[10:56] <eix> GabrialDestruir: yes
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[10:57] <GabrialDestruir> I'm sad now I own two model Bs xD
[10:57] <buZz> JamesHarrison: on six different powersupplies?
[10:57] <JamesHarrison> des2: yes, of course. Not got a scope handy, sadly
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> JamesHarrison, really - 99.9999% of issues liek this is the PSU.
[10:57] <crenn> GabrialDestruir: I own 2 model Bs as well, but I'm not going to rush out for one ;D
[10:57] <des2> I should have written: yes but apparently only some of the newer Farnell ones have 512MB (not 5v).
[10:57] <eix> des2: ahah, ok
[10:58] <nid0> I own 3 model b's, time for me to rush out to get new ones :(
[10:58] <GabrialDestruir> I guess I will order a new one sometime soon, for when I build my raspberry Pi Atrix dock laptp
[10:58] <nid0> and then the foundation will announce another upgrade providing poe
[10:58] <buZz> GabrialDestruir: i am going to do the same :D
[10:58] <gordonDrogon> nid0, unlikely - the cost of PoE components is more than a Pi costs.
[10:58] <des2> The #1 problem people have with Pis relates to power.
[10:59] <GabrialDestruir> 512 would be better for a laptop style thing anyways. As opposed to my 256 which are good for a server and a media center
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[10:59] <JamesHarrison> buZz: on another I just tried I get 5.04v at boot, 5.09 at desktop, no OK light, no ethernet, no USB
[10:59] <nid0> gordonDrogon: not really, it isnt that expensive at all, and the foundation have been saying for a long time that theyre looking at a way to include poe
[11:00] <bircoe> des2 the number one problem people have is using inferior power supplies.
[11:00] <GabrialDestruir> I haven't had a power issue... I just use regular USB ports on a computer/receiver w/e
[11:00] <GabrialDestruir> works great
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> nid0, it's 48v to 5v DC-DC convertor and some associated actives... You could do it cheaply, I guess, but then there is still the issue of the switch providing that 48v in the first place...
[11:00] <nid0> eh?
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> power over ethernet? Isn't that what you're on about?
[11:01] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=17492
[11:01] <nid0> yes, the requirement here though is the pi being powered via poe, not delivering it
[11:01] <des2> Some recent discussion of the PI's power supply voltage requirements.
[11:02] <gordonDrogon> nid0, yes - so it's what I said - a 48v to 5v DC-DC convertor and some cleverness to do the sensing, etc. not to mention the cost of the switch providing that 48v in the first place.
[11:02] <bircoe> part of the issue lies in the choice of the 3.3v regulator, it has a 1.2ish volt drop out, 3.3 + 1.2 = 4.5v, so if the supply drops below 4.5v then the 3.3v rail also suffers, dodgy supplies with cheap USB cables allow too much voltage drop causing issues.
[11:02] <GabrialDestruir> I want power over ethernet.... that'd be nice.
[11:02] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[11:02] <Jungle-Boogie> anyone able to make an order for a rpi on element14?
[11:03] <des2> POE is one of the most requested features.
[11:03] <nid0> I dont see why the cost of the switch would be a factor (leaving aside the fact that poe switches dont exactly cost the earth), thats nothing to do with the pi
[11:03] <RichiH> do the 512 MB mean i can split memory up to 128 MB?
[11:03] <RichiH> erm, up to 256 MB?
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> des2, have you seen the cost of PoE injectors?
[11:03] <nid0> the only people that want poe (like me) will either have or will get a poe switch anyway
[11:03] <bircoe> RichiH, it could theroeticly mean upto 448 or even more split
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> nid0, if you want to use PoE with a Pi, you need an Ethernet switch or an injector that can send the 48v down the line to the Pi. They're not cheap.
[11:03] <des2> Yeah I don't see it happening Gordon, POE in general is expensive.
[11:04] <discopig> 512mb will make running desktop stuff much faster
[11:04] <crenn> I can't wait until dynamic RAM comes to be ;D
[11:04] <RichiH> bircoe: yah, in theory, it could split to 133.3 MB
[11:04] <nid0> gordonDrogon: yes they are, and funnily enough, anyone wanting poe is obviously going to either have or be willing to get a switch to power it
[11:04] <Jungle-Boogie> when i go to http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi and click on buy raspberry pi, i don't see where I'm able to add it to my cart. anyone else have same issue?
[11:04] * RichiH is looking for a valid answer, though :)
[11:04] <discopig> too bad i ordered a pi about a week before the 512mb model came out
[11:04] <des2> What country are you in Jungle ?
[11:05] <Jungle-Boogie> USA
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> nid0, please show me a cheap PoE injector in the uk ...
[11:05] <bircoe> well with the 256mb model the biggest split is 240 leaving 16mb for the GPU, so if the same logic were applied I see no reason why there couldn't be a kernel with a 496/16 split.
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> nid0, and bear in-mind that part of my business is VoIP where PoE is common - and expensive )-:
[11:05] <des2> In the USA you can also order from adafruit or MCMelectronics.
[11:06] <bircoe> kernel = wrong word!
[11:06] <Jungle-Boogie> des2, are you in USA?+
[11:06] <des2> yes
[11:06] <nid0> gordonDrogon: a TL-SF1008P is a perfectly good example, an 8-port switch with 4 poe ports for about ??40
[11:06] <Jungle-Boogie> are you able to follow link to see if you can add 512MB pi to your cart?
[11:06] <nid0> hardly breaking the bank, especially considering most single usb chargers/wallwarts to power pi's cost about a tenner each on their own
[11:06] <JamesHarrison> So the conclusion is that a 5V rail at 5.05V is likely to be causing ethernet + USB bus failures due to dodgy power?
[11:06] <des2> oops, MCM is now showing an estimated date of March 01...
[11:06] <JamesHarrison> This does not make a huge amount of sense to me.
[11:07] <des2> 5.05 v ?
[11:07] <bircoe> highly unlikey
[11:07] <bircoe> you should be fine down to 4.6ish volts
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> nid0, it's still more than a Pi - maybe for schools/colleges, but for home use?
[11:08] <JamesHarrison> Right. So I'm back to thinking that this is either a firmware issue or it's a hardware fault
[11:08] <bircoe> what are you doing to cause the failure?
[11:08] <des2> http://www.adafruit.com/products/998
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> JamesHarrison, what you can't tell with a multimeter is spikes - however the overall voltage seems fine. firmware? I was assuming you have upgraded, etc...
[11:08] <des2> Adafruit apparently gets their PIs from the UK.
[11:08] <eix> JamesHarrison: but is it stable power source at 5V or not?
[11:09] <Jungle-Boogie> des2, that says 256MB
[11:09] <des2> yes.
[11:10] <nid0> gordonDrogon: its a question of versatility, the pi is by definition a hobbyist/enthusiast device as well as the educational device cheapo media centre people try to use it for, a ??40 poe switch to power several pis reliably is an excellent solution, and plenty of us have several pis
[11:10] <des2> We are pleased to announce that the Raspberry Pi Model B with 512MB RAM is now available.
[11:10] <des2> Order today, delivery within 3 weeks.
[11:10] <RichiH> bircoe: i want to give more ram to the GPU, if possible
[11:10] <RichiH> HTPC
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[11:10] <Jungle-Boogie> where at, Delboy
[11:10] <des2> http://piregistration.element14.com/raspberryPi1.html
[11:10] <Jungle-Boogie> des2,
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[11:10] <des2> From element14
[11:10] <Jungle-Boogie> nice
[11:10] <bircoe> considering the news of the 512mb Pi was posted today and Adafruit are out of stock I wouldn't expect them to have updated their page
[11:11] <Jungle-Boogie> you ordering one, des2
[11:11] <des2> no. I want a Model A
[11:11] <JamesHarrison> eix: As far as I can tell, yes.
[11:11] <Jungle-Boogie> whats your plans?
[11:11] <bircoe> RichiH, you can use what ever split you want as long as there is an appropriate ELF file available
[11:12] <JamesHarrison> gordonDrogon: Yes, true, and these are all using latest raspbian for the purposes of keeping things simple so I assume they're up to date
[11:12] <des2> plans. We don't need no steekin plans...
[11:12] <gordonDrogon> JamesHarrison, well in that case you are unlucky in that you seem to have a 2 faulty boards. Send them back.
[11:12] <discopig> bircoe, i'd assume the gpu has an upper limit to how much video ram it can use
[11:12] <eix> JamesHarrison: I have a different advice. send them to a friend of yours that can test them
[11:13] <eix> JamesHarrison: by radically changing the initial conditions, your testing will be more sound
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> JamesHarrison, but make sure you've done the latest apt-get update/upgrades first though.
[11:13] <bircoe> there is currently 128, 192, 224 and 240, you choose which ever you want, I currently run the 128mb ELF with OpenELEC and it's performance is just fine
[11:13] <des2> Just try different power supplies.
[11:13] <discopig> it would be nice to have a 256/256 split though
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[11:13] <eix> JamesHarrison: just be sure he will send them back, eventually :P
[11:13] <des2> It's so easy to build a decent supply.
[11:13] <des2> Get a 9 volt wall wart and an lm309
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> discopig, will the GPU ever be able to use 256MB? It seems to play quake OK at 128MB ..
[11:14] <eix> des2: yes but we use those small PSUs because..they're small, you know
[11:14] <discopig> yeah i think for what the pi can do, 128mb is plenty
[11:14] <discopig> the cpu isn't that fast
[11:14] <booyaa> anyone tried setting up nagios/cactus server on pi?
[11:14] <des2> I understand eix. There are plenty of good tiny supplies.
[11:14] <booyaa> pretty certain it's doable just seeing if someone's done all the hard work already ;)
[11:15] <JamesHarrison> eix: I've tested them in two totally different environments (work, home) and had a collegue check me here.
[11:15] <eix> des2: my workboard PSU, which could generate different voltages and intensity, wasn't that small
[11:15] <des2> http://i-security.ro/linux/raspberry-pi-and-nagios-open-source-monitoring/
[11:15] <rikkib> Goodnight from NZ. Hope motion is still running on my devel RPi in the morning.
[11:16] <des2> try that link booyaa
[11:16] <eix> JamesHarrison: give it to your colleague to test it at his home
[11:16] <bircoe> des2 LM309 is not really capable of driving a Pi with any accessories... unless you get the T03 model, and that's kind of overkill
[11:16] <eix> JamesHarrison: he will likely use different hardware than yours
[11:17] <des2> the RPI has a 1.1Amp triggered polyfuse anyway.
[11:17] <Jungle-Boogie> des2, thank you for the link!
[11:17] <bircoe> yes but the smaller package LM309's are only good for a feww hundred milliamps
[11:18] <eix> JamesHarrison: I know it sounds like a stupid test, but really it is not. just be sure you give only the raspberry pi board and nothing else to run the test
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> des2, 1.1A ? is that on the rev 2 boards? mine have 700mA ones..
[11:18] <des2> Well they have a 700mA 'hold' current and a 1.1A trip current.
[11:19] <des2> What happens between 700mA and 1.1A is a good question.
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> so anything over 700mA is "asking for it" ...
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> :)
[11:19] <des2> gordon I think that's also the source of many problems.
[11:19] <JamesHarrison> eix: I've changed -everything-. Literally. All I've taken between home and work is the Pi and I've tried different PSUs, ethernet cables, ethernet switches on the other end, USB devices, USB network cards, HDMI cables, HDMI->DVI cables, monitors, SD cards
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> JamesHarrison, just a tought - do you have anything plugged into the USB?
[11:20] <des2> As over the 700mA the polyfuse starts getting a larger voltage drop
[11:20] <JamesHarrison> gordonDrogon: Tried with and without, no difference
[11:20] <des2> Well a certain amount of PIs will be defective.
[11:21] <des2> It's possible you have 2 defective ones.
[11:21] <bircoe> waiting on a couple of these to arrive:
[11:21] <bircoe> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LM2596-DC-Step-Down-Buck-Volt-Converter-Circuit-3-2-40V-1-25-37V-Regulator-/271065155816?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f1cbe08e8#ht_4228wt_1168
[11:21] <JamesHarrison> des2: Possible, but very unlikely and completely bizzare that they've both failed within days of each other with no common factors
[11:21] <eix> JamesHarrison: sorry, I don't question your ability to run consistent tests. but I know that running many test iterations, with little time and no logging can cause some biased testing
[11:21] <eix> JamesHarrison: in that case then I would also say they are faulty
[11:21] <JamesHarrison> (One was kept at work, one kept at home, no shared hardware)
[11:22] <des2> Yes I agree. Possible although unlikely.
[11:22] <JamesHarrison> Only commonality is software/firmware.
[11:22] <eix> JamesHarrison: maybe your electrical source damaged them
[11:22] <tero> um guys, so what can you do with 512mb ram that you can't do with 256?
[11:22] <tero> serious question
[11:22] <eix> JamesHarrison: would be a very simple explanation
[11:22] <bircoe> run more intense applications...
[11:22] <des2> Have a 256Mb ram disk tero
[11:22] <bircoe> have you been down the route of testing different OS image
[11:22] <bircoe> ?
[11:22] <JamesHarrison> eix: Certainly possible, yeah.
[11:22] <eix> tero: run programs that need more buffer
[11:23] <eix> JamesHarrison: I once opened the wall plug in an old house I was living in, I didn't like what I found in it
[11:23] <JamesHarrison> eix: I'm fairly certain (though not absolutely) that I've never run both of them off the same source. One of the sources has -always- been driving one Pi at 4.8V, which shouldn't cause issues as far as I'm aware (measured over TP1/TP2)
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[11:24] <gordonDrogon> tero, you can write applications that use more RAM and thoroughly irritate the 200K others who bought the 256K ones.
[11:24] <JamesHarrison> eix: Heh. Yeah, this becomes the issue - where to find a nice high quality PSU. In a perfect world I'd get some microUSB pigtails and a nice big fat 5V power supply. Might see about doing something with a USB hub and USB-microUSB cables.
[11:24] <discopig> tero, if you want to run any kind of desktop applications, 512mb of ram might be better
[11:24] <discopig> or ram-heavy stuff like java
[11:25] <crenn> gordonDrogon: I shake my fist at those developers!
[11:25] <discopig> it really depends on what you do
[11:25] <des2> JamesHarrison you can also feed power to the Pi via the GPIO pins,
[11:25] <discopig> most of the time 256mb+swap shouldn't be THAT different from 512
[11:25] <eix> JamesHarrison: personally I am using a sitecom hub, and never had such issues so far. but I know it depends from your actual power drain (from peripherals)
[11:25] <chithead> one good thing is that now the 256mb rpis on ebay will become cheap
[11:25] <des2> Remember that that 256MB is shared with video
[11:25] <eix> JamesHarrison: if you care enough, you could check the circuit part by part for anomalies..at least you could compare the 2 boards
[11:26] <JamesHarrison> des2: Much more fiddly and I'd rather keep the GPIOs clear
[11:26] <eix> it's not such a big circuit, in the end
[11:26] <JamesHarrison> eix: Yeah, true. I'll have a poke around and see what's going on.
[11:26] <JamesHarrison> Is there a schematic/trace sheet somewhere?
[11:26] <tero> so now I have to buy a second raspberry pi? damn. i was going to sace that 35$ for dinner :)
[11:26] <des2> Yes the PI schematics are available.
[11:27] <eix> JamesHarrison: yes, it's in some blog post and I guess in the wiki also
[11:27] <buZz> tero: food is irrelevant
[11:27] <nid0> that extra ram will be fairly useful for people using their pis as webservers as well
[11:27] <eix> nid0: yep
[11:27] <eix> yesterday I was talking about me wishing I had double RAM and double CPU power
[11:28] <JamesHarrison> eix: I'll have a look
[11:28] <eix> but actually, it could be done differently: what if we had a raspberry variant that offered more *parallel* power?
[11:28] <eix> this would help young people and hackers to do better parallel programming
[11:28] <eix> also DSP programming, for the likes
[11:29] <eix> a raspberry with more than 1 CPU core, but still slow-speed, would be a perfect fit
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[11:29] <eix> I can imagine plugging several DSP chips through GPIO
[11:29] <nid0> well, everyone's ideal device is going to differ. personally, if they could deliver a $35 machine with no graphical or sound output at all and no gpio pins, but poe and an assload more cpu/memory, i'd snap up a few more
[11:29] <eix> and use more than 1 core to handle (=feed) them :)
[11:29] <nid0> but then, most people who buy pi's wouldnt be that interested in a spec like that
[11:30] <des2> Yes nid0 it's clear there is tremendous demand for all different types of < $35 tiny computers.
[11:30] <eix> nid0: it has to differ, it's general-purpose but geared towards educational purposes, as far as I understood
[11:30] <eix> my idea would still be educational-geared
[11:30] <eix> JamesHarrison: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1090
[11:31] <nid0> eix: you essentially want a http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone ?
[11:31] <eix> nid0: yeah!
[11:31] <eix> guys, I am selling by raspberry, anyone interested?
[11:31] <eix> ahah..just joking
[11:32] <eix> nid0: but wait: they are not completely open
[11:32] <eix> nid0: don't buy that
[11:35] <Amorsen> The nice thing about the Raspberry is that there are so many people working on it, it is likely that someone is using it for the same purpose that you want to use it for
[11:35] <des2> Indeed.
[11:36] <des2> That's wht popular is > great.
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[11:36] <Amorsen> You don't get that from the competitors, even if actually they cost about the same once you have added the necessary bits for the Pi
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[11:36] <eix> Amorsen: yeah
[11:36] <eix> community-building
[11:37] <eix> and learning
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[11:37] <des2> It's why Arduino is so popular.
[11:37] <des2> Because it's popular.
[11:38] <Amorsen> Indeed, even if Arduino is way overpriced compared to the Pi...
[11:39] <locutox> arduino is in good supply and well supported
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[11:39] <des2> There are about 20 books onthe arduino.
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[11:40] <des2> Google has 22,600,000 hits for arduino
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[11:41] <des2> 24,100,000 for Raspberry Pi
[11:41] <scummos> woo xD
[11:41] <scummos> how many of the 24M are about raspberry pie?
[11:41] <des2> lol
[11:42] <des2> 3,080,000 for Raspberry Pie
[11:44] <CosmicLogick> cubieboard could be interesting
[11:44] <CosmicLogick> and will probably get pretty popular
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[11:44] <des2> It's about $55 delivered.
[11:45] <des2> And I don't see them able to produce significant quantities in the next few months.
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[11:45] <CosmicLogick> based in China?
[11:45] <Amorsen> Wow, you get SATA
[11:46] <des2> They shipped 100 beta boards a couple of weeks ago.
[11:46] <eix> from http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals : what does it mean "Pin 2 - 3V3" ?
[11:46] <des2> And the next shipment should be in a week or 2.
[11:46] <eix> 3.3V, maybe?
[11:46] <Amorsen> And a relatively modern CPU which should work with newer kernels
[11:46] <des2> Yeah it's an Arm 8 (Allwinner A10)
[11:47] <des2> Cortex A8
[11:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> eix yes 3.3v out
[11:48] <Amorsen> But no video acceleration, it looks like
[11:48] <Hoerie> eix: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/28053/what-does-3v3-or-1v8-mean
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[11:48] <eix> Hoerie: ahah, didn't know that
[11:49] <des2> http://www.geekbuying.com/item/In-Stock-MK802--New-Version-Android-4-0-Mini-PC-IPTV-Smart-TV-Box--Allwinner-A10-DDR3-1GB-RAM-4GB-ROM--Better-Than-MK802-307558.html
[11:49] <des2> There are even these $40 USB sticks.
[11:49] <Hoerie> mainly it stops scanning and photocopying from dropping , or .
[11:49] <eix> Hoerie: sorry, I still think we should stick to international numerical notation with '.'
[11:49] <eix> Hoerie: but will not argue, that's not my field ;)
[11:50] <des2> eix resistors are the same way, with decimal points being replaced.
[11:50] <eix> Hoerie, des2 : yeah, in engineering it makes perfect sense. you don't want 33V instead of 3.3V, or the other way round because of a spot
[11:50] <des2> 2k2 meaning 2.2k
[11:50] <Datalink> eix, 3v3 is considered a varient of 3.3V, and is one of the international standards for electrical engineering
[11:50] <des2> It's easy to miss decimal points.
[11:51] <Datalink> I see it fairly frequently on datasheets
[11:52] <eix> Datalink: probably was a notation initially used in blueprints that then became mainstream
[11:52] <Hoerie> you see it on modems too: 33k6 bps...
[11:52] <eix> Hoerie: honestly, never seen that
[11:53] <Datalink> eix, you can thank old datasheets... and photocopies...
[11:53] <eix> ahah, true
[11:53] <Hoerie> you're probably not very old then :-)
[11:53] <Datalink> 3.3 looks like a spec in the typeface, 3v3 is visible
[11:53] <Hoerie> even with quality scanners decimal points get lost during scanning/ocr
[11:54] <eix> Datalink: I would just have changed unit of measure
[11:54] <Datalink> http://www.triodeel.com/we142a.gif
[11:54] <eix> Datalink: yeah, exactly those
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[11:56] <Datalink> to create or recreate a datasheet, you'd need a draftsman and an engineer minimum, further back, you'd probably also need a typesetter
[11:56] <Datalink> making it kinda hard to do revisions once the product's datasheet was printed
[11:56] <Datalink> up until word processors became prevelent, you didn't update datasheets, you published eratta
[11:57] <Hoerie> my guitar amp has a huge sheet like that
[11:57] <Iota> *bingbong* You can still setup a free subdomain at raspberryip .org or .com
[11:58] <Datalink> Hoerie, I need to find one for my tube o-scope
[11:58] <Datalink> Tectronix 810
[11:58] <Datalink> it was funny, 2000s era Techtronix 810A at school, sitting next to my ol blue metal box
[12:00] <RaTTuS|BIG> damnit ordered a 512Mb version
[12:00] <eix> RaTTuS|BIG: and you're angry?
[12:01] <des2> Yeah he heard the 1 gig version is out...
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[12:01] <eix> ahah
[12:02] <eix> des2: where?
[12:02] <des2> lol
[12:02] <RaTTuS|BIG> farnell
[12:02] <eix> I am not that gullible, just pretending ;)
[12:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> no not angry .. just it came faster than I thought ... http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2180
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[12:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> I was expecting it to be next year but it looks like the foundation probably burnt though all teh stocks of 256Mb chips....
[12:04] * RaTTuS|BIG goes for coffee
[12:05] <buZz> so, in two weeks there will only be 1GB raspis being sold?
[12:05] <buZz> ;)
[12:05] <des2> WHoa it's front page official now
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[12:06] <_bt> hi all
[12:06] <des2> " If you have an outstanding order with either distributor, you will receive the upgraded device in place of the 256MB version you ordered."
[12:06] <_bt> am i able to transfer the mpeg2 and vc1 licenses if i order a new pi?
[12:06] <JamesHarrison> des2: Daaaang. I just ordered another since I'd ordered the 256MB one last night. Oh well! :D
[12:07] <JamesHarrison> _bt: don't think so since they're hardware locked, but given they're cheap... *shrug*
[12:07] <_bt> cheap maybe
[12:07] <JamesHarrison> buZz: iirc the board was upgradeable to 512MB without modifications
[12:07] <_bt> but still would have been nice for the foundation to actually tell people that this was going to happen
[12:08] <JamesHarrison> _bt: what, that they'd bring out new hardware and you could buy it if you want to? It's not like they're breaking your old devices or licenses...
[12:08] <_bt> JamesHarrison: yes, exactly that
[12:08] <buZz> JamesHarrison: of course
[12:08] <_bt> i suspect the reason they did not is so that more units could be sold
[12:08] <Shift_> Wait, you can buy the codecs now?
[12:08] <buZz> JamesHarrison: it was always just a matter of price
[12:09] <buZz> Shift_: for some time already, yes
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[12:09] <Shift_> I've been away for a while. Hm, interesting.
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[12:09] <des2> Don't they keep up to date about Pis in prison ?
[12:10] <Shift_> Nope
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[12:12] <des2> "The Model A will be 256MB when it ships."
[12:12] <Lexip> Torture!
[12:12] <buZz> model A will still ship? :O
[12:12] <des2> before Chrostmas hopefully.
[12:12] <buZz> Chrustmas
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[12:13] <des2> With Chrusty the Clown...
[12:15] <des2> Model A: "No, it won???t (we have the chips for the first batch already, and they???re 256MB) ??? there???s some fiddlyness around the cost structure here, so for the foreseeable it???ll be 256MB."
[12:15] <Hoerie> nice, I finally get my RS pi, and now this news makes me wish it had been delayed more :-)
[12:15] <des2> Both countries; RS???s manufacturing is still based out of China, and Farnell???s mostly out of the UK. Both plants are making 512MB boards (and have been doing so, and stockpiling, for a few weeks).
[12:16] <Datalink> grr, I can never remember my Newark password
[12:16] <eix> Datalink: krawen
[12:18] <Datalink> eix, that didn't work either
[12:19] <Datalink> des2, they have a UK plant now
[12:19] <Datalink> Wales
[12:19] <Datalink> hm, curious, no pi on the section...
[12:19] <des2> It's Sony's plant doing contract manufacture.
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[12:28] <Datalink> what's the RAM pinout for the PoP config? does anyone know?
[12:29] <buZz> Datalink: check the schematic
[12:30] <Caver> you fancy trying your own upgrade?
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[12:36] <Datalink> Caver, well my bench lacks a reballing station so I'm not that brave
[12:37] <Caver> lol I err did wonder if you realised it's not *that* easy
[12:39] <des2> Silly when you can just sell your current Pi for $25 and buy a new one.
[12:39] * linuxstb is now happy he's still waiting for his RS Pi
[12:39] <Caver> agreed, but sometimes the geeky side, makes you want to do these thing even if it isn't for profit
[12:40] * Caver slightly regrets buying a 2nd pi - literally the day before they offered the version 2
[12:40] <eix> Caver: then while soldering your bigger RAM module you drop some solder on the circuit, making it unusable :) [happened to writer]
[12:41] <Caver> a $35 mistake
[12:41] <eix> yep
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[12:41] <eix> but you hear the McGyver soundtrack that was playing in your mind quickly braking out..
[12:41] <Caver> (is the 2nd hand market actually $25? I'm surprised it's that low)
[12:42] <des2> I think you could get the full price for a PI in hand.
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[12:42] <Caver> just curious about the $25 tag :)
[12:42] <booyaa> i need to fnid a way to cancel my order with rs, had enough of waiting.
[12:42] <Caver> the A isn't out yet anyway
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[12:44] <Caver> still spent a happy few hours soldering up my gertboard
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[12:45] <InControl> don't think the foundation has handled the updates very well
[12:45] <booyaa> ah no it's not you
[12:45] <booyaa> it's a lady called kate
[12:46] <booyaa> sorry
[12:46] <InControl> I think the likes of maplin will be shafted
[12:46] <booyaa> whoops
[12:46] <des2> They've handled them very well from the point of not decreasing sales.
[12:46] <InControl> if they have bought lots of older models for their kits
[12:47] <Caver> I'm sure maplin would have known about this
[12:47] <Datalink> it's not like old stock's a problem...
[12:47] <InControl> I don't think they will as they just buy them from RS/Farnell
[12:47] <InControl> the only people who would know are Farnell/RS
[12:48] <Caver> the older stock (if they have any) is still going to be saleable
[12:48] * linuxstb wonders what the spec will be when RS finally ship his Pi
[12:48] <InControl> it will be the 2014 edition
[12:48] <Caver> according to the comments - it ought to be the 512Mb version
[12:49] <des2> just think you'll never miss out on an upgrade.
[12:50] <InControl> I cancelled my RS order just to be sure
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[12:50] <Caver> :)
[12:50] <Caver> perhaps they need next time to put in masisve and flashing/bold text - *developer release - specs may change in future and have hardware bugs*
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[12:51] <InControl> probably just a fad anyway
[12:52] <crenn> booyaa: Wrong window?
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[12:52] <booyaa> crenn: yup! :D
[12:52] <InControl> this time next year there will be lots of unused pis in draws and cupbards along with old mobiles and other tech junk
[12:53] <Caver> 90% I expect
[12:53] <crenn> booyaa: I'm curious if you care to explain ;P
[12:53] <Datalink> InControl, at that point I'll buy used ones at $10 a pop plus shipping
[12:53] <Caver> but 10% doing something ... is quite a lto
[12:54] <booyaa> crenn: i heard someone on one podcast thought it was a friend from my local hackspace
[12:54] <booyaa> they're both american so i just ASSUMED it was the same person lol
[12:54] * Datalink preps an SD card to try AROS
[12:54] <crenn> Whoops!
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[12:54] <Datalink> booyaa, don't you know, we all sound the same here...
[12:54] <booyaa> heh bet we all sounds like toffs to you ;)
[12:54] <booyaa> with bad teeth
[12:55] <Caver> LOL
[12:55] <InControl> Americans are easy to spot they speak a different language
[12:55] <Caver> and the teeth
[12:55] <Datalink> one of my favorite American characters is Scottish, actually
[12:55] <Datalink> the actor...
[12:56] <Datalink> <3 Torchwood
[12:56] <InControl> Why they call it English is anyones guess as it has nothing to do with England
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[12:59] <Caver> explain ... English has nothing to do with England???
[12:59] <InControl> The American language, they are not English yet they call their language English
[12:59] <Caver> it is .. just from older times ...
[13:00] <InControl> They should really call it American as it is their own language now
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> see you pal?
[13:00] <Caver> Winston Churchill quote: Two nations divided by a common language.
[13:00] <InControl> bares little resemblance to English
[13:00] <des2> Yeah huge changes like color instead or colour...
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> I've just spent a week or so with my scottish relatives - brought up in the Scottish borders, now there's a dialect all of it's own...
[13:01] <Datalink> if you're gonna argue, could you at least spell stuff to match one form of the language, please?
[13:01] <Caver> it's a wonder we understand each other at all
[13:01] <Caver> gordonDrogon, hehehe
[13:01] <Datalink> bears
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> ur ye gaun oot?
[13:01] <InControl> they sit in the woods
[13:02] <Caver> yup ... every american ought to be exposed to a brief dose of broad Yorkshire or something ...
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> xlates to Are you going out today by any chance?
[13:02] <Caver> then they can argue their's if different enough a dialect to be called something else ...
[13:02] <CosmicLogick> wasn't American English born out of bad spelling?
[13:02] <Caver> no just the British spelling of the time
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> and why isn't phonetically spelt like it sounds?
[13:02] <InControl> No English English was born out of compromise
[13:02] <Caver> the british spelling was the same, back then
[13:02] <CosmicLogick> ah
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[13:03] <Datalink> what's the dd with progress?
[13:03] <Caver> it just evolved (as a good languages do)
[13:03] <InControl> There were many different dialects in the UK and odd spellings were inherited from the different variations
[13:03] <InControl> when they created a standardized english
[13:04] <crenn> You all speak a funny Australian
[13:04] <InControl> they had to appease the different communities so had to include the odd spellings with silent letters and other nonsene
[13:04] <Datalink> what's the dd with a progress bar?
[13:04] <CosmicLogick> what do the Aborignes speak in AU?
[13:04] <InControl> the Americans just decide to spell it as it sounds
[13:05] <Jck_true> This channel aint offical right? I'm allowed to vent a bit in here right?
[13:05] <CosmicLogick> yeah, saves time for coke and mcdonalds
[13:05] <InControl> but now they have their own wierd stuff
[13:05] <InControl> like solder
[13:05] <InControl> it isn't soddder
[13:05] <InControl> it is sol-der
[13:06] <CosmicLogick> the silent h is confusing
[13:06] <CosmicLogick> erbs
[13:06] <InControl> see the L you are supposed to pronounce that letter
[13:06] <Jck_true> No offence - But what hell is the foundation doing with the new 512mb version... 1) Announcing the same days as it ships? 2) Still maintaining it's a "model b"
[13:06] <Hoerie> <CosmicLogick> the silent h is confusing <-- probably inherited from french
[13:06] <crenn> CosmicLogick: Alcohol if you believe the stereotype. But they usually speak English, many don't know their people's tongue
[13:06] <Datalink> Jck_true, they're preoccupied, but honestly, it's messed up, I don't understand it either
[13:06] <Dyskette> With the difference between the A and B being the second USB port and the ethernet, it is still a B.
[13:07] <InControl> should have been a B+
[13:07] <Dyskette> (And the pricepoint)
[13:07] <Caleb> sweet
[13:07] <Datalink> it's B, rev 2.1
[13:07] <Caleb> ram upgrade on the pi
[13:07] <Jck_true> Then there's the magical revision 2 board - taht suddenly moved the GPIO pins
[13:07] <Dyskette> Doesn't really matter, does it? They could call it the B+ and discontinue the B, functionally that's no different
[13:07] <japro> i like how the reactions are either "wtf?" or "sweet!"
[13:08] <japro> :D
[13:08] <InControl> would cause less confusion
[13:08] <Caver> I agree on the model name
[13:08] <Datalink> Jck_true, GPIO header was not changed, a second was added
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[13:08] <InControl> it was changed
[13:08] <InControl> the I2c was moved
[13:08] <des2> Liz said they wanted to call it B+, but settled on B.
[13:08] <Jck_true> japro: I'm on both :D - Sure was a nice bonus... But the way it was announced
[13:08] <eix> still somebody should have authority to approve these designs, and properly version them
[13:08] <Datalink> oh... right
[13:09] <japro> next up, the 64mb version for people that want the challenge :D
[13:09] <Caver> still it's a bit like Linus and stable API's
[13:09] <Caleb> well its 35 bucks
[13:09] <Caleb> can always buy a new one
[13:09] <Caleb> im sure it wont break anyone in here
[13:09] <Jck_true> The whole idea of the raspberry was to have a stable platform - I think they are breaking that up
[13:09] <Caleb> and if does then still worth it
[13:09] <Datalink> Caleb, supply chain....
[13:09] <Datalink> Jck_true, the goal was cheap, not stable :P
[13:09] <Jck_true> Datalink: Touch??
[13:10] <Caver> well it might, but remember this was really the Developer release, they got lucky that it worked really well and a lot of people jumped on to the dev release
[13:10] <Hoerie> <Jck_true> The whole idea of the raspberry was to have a stable platform - I think they are breaking that up <-- as long as they don't do that once the pi's reach the education system, it's not too bad
[13:10] <Dyskette> Yeah, we're just guinea pigs, really.
[13:10] <Dyskette> Not the target market.
[13:10] <japro> adding more ram doesn't really break anything either? (can't comment about gpio stuff)
[13:10] <Jck_true> Hoerie: Yeah - That's my main concern.. The "beta" version was just a flooding
[13:10] * Datalink starts squeaking and nibbling on a pellet
[13:11] <Jck_true> japro: Well... It breaks for thoose on the old version... When some software suddenly won't work (and yes I know we are just test subjects and early adopters)
[13:11] <Datalink> Jck_true, changing platform's the price of bleeding edge users... we are still in beta
[13:11] * Caver pets Datalink
[13:12] <Jck_true> I'll quit my rant...
[13:12] <Caver> hehe it's ok - it's allowrd
[13:12] <InControl> The trouble is it has been over hyped
[13:12] <Dyskette> I'm having a hard time seeing software that previously worked suddenly not anymore because the device has more RAM.
[13:12] <Dyskette> Stuff that would never have worked on the lower RAM anyway, sure.
[13:12] <Caver> I was just as pissed off, when I bought my 2nd Pi, literally the day before the version 2 came out with the mounting hole!
[13:12] <InControl> so a lot of people are buying it thinking it is a final product
[13:13] <Caver> who's hyping it though?
[13:13] <Datalink> Caver, mostly us... the early adoptor buyers
[13:13] <Jck_true> InControl: Yeah - Maybe the foundation should have stopped going into full production - Maybe an initial production run of 100 000 and then stopped till they had a new revision
[13:13] <InControl> now they have millions of people interested in it, so what ever they do it is going to cuase waves
[13:14] <InControl> some things are going to be popular and some not so
[13:14] <Caver> true, but as they have an interesting in getting a good educational product, that it got popular, surely ought not to sway them from that aim?
[13:15] <Datalink> Caver, to my knowledge the goal has been and always be to present an educational platform
[13:15] <Caver> that is what I meant
[13:15] <Datalink> always will be*
[13:15] <InControl> They are a bunch of academics who have no experience in this kind of thing so they will make a lot of mistakes along the way
[13:15] <des2> yes everyone ius a developer and a beta tester for the educational release.
[13:15] <Datalink> and learn from those mistakes
[13:15] <Caver> ROFTL @ no experence
[13:16] <Caver> does *anyone* have experence at this kind of thing
[13:16] <Caver> should they be paying some expert on public relations?
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[13:17] <Caver> tis amaising that people can moan, when a electronics board got upgraded though :P
[13:17] <InControl> The point is we can't expect them to be perfect, they are not a big corporation with experience in selling products on this scale
[13:17] <Datalink> Caver, the negatives aside from academic discussions by existing Pi owners here, has been limited to 1 friend out of 10 I told I was getting a pi to, that the rev 2 was coming out
[13:17] <Datalink> she said wait... I get to tell her she was right, but I'm happy anyway :P
[13:17] <Caver> yup
[13:17] <Caver> well mine is already been incredibly fun, and occasionally useful too
[13:18] <Datalink> I /REALLY/ wish I knew the DD command varient that gave progress, I heard it here a couple days ago... making a new SD card is annoying when you don't know how long it's gonna take
[13:18] <Caver> and has pushed me into revisiting my electronics stuff, with a friend
[13:18] <eix> Datalink: just send a kill -2 to it
[13:18] <Caver> I just invested in a proper solder station
[13:18] <eix> Datalink: ehm..check the manual for actual signal value
[13:18] <mythos> $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null& pid=$!
[13:18] <mythos> $ kill -USR1 $pid; sleep 1; kill $pid
[13:18] <InControl> Yes it has done a lot to rekindle interest in tech
[13:19] <Datalink> oh hey it finished
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[13:19] <eix> Caver: same effect for me
[13:20] <Caver> I really had started to get a bit bored with PC's as they've just got to be complete commodity locked down boxes, not even a parallel port
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[13:20] <des2> somebody should just edit the dd source already to make that an option...
[13:20] <InControl> I'm not sure their intention was to get people who used to be interested to renew their interest
[13:20] <InControl> but so far I think that is probably the biggest result
[13:20] <Caver> the foundations? no not at all
[13:20] <Caver> but ... I'm sure they don't mind too!
[13:21] <Caver> and the thing about modern kids having no clue what a serial/parallel bus is, ... totally agree about trying to change it
[13:21] <Caver> we had a work experence student here last year, who didn't know what a truth table was, and was confused about the difference between "and" and "or" ...
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[13:22] <Caver> sorry .. ranting now!
[13:22] <gordonDrogon> des2, that's how bloat happens - it already has a perfectly good way, if obscure ...
[13:22] <Caver> lol
[13:22] <Caver> well it is open source you do have the option if you want too :)
[13:22] <Jck_true> Caver: Had a kid who spend the entire week watching Call of Duty captures on youtube...
[13:23] <Caver> erk
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[13:23] <Datalink> I have 3 dev boards, an Arduino, a FPGA, and a PIC...
[13:23] <Caver> it's at this point I've realised the path to cranky old guy, is incredibly easy to slip into
[13:23] <Datalink> the Pi has made me do more with them in the past month than I've done in the past year
[13:23] <Jck_true> But he had awesome skills for closeing the videoes when i walked into the office... He should just realise I could still hear the music in my office...
[13:23] <Caver> ahahahah
[13:24] <Caver> well they say this generation does have much enhanced reaction times :P
[13:24] <Jck_true> But weak hearing apprently...
[13:24] <Caver> so it's good to know that aside from better porn access something good has happened from this new fangled interweb
[13:25] <Datalink> Jck_true, you must learn the way of the ninja to be a good boss to kids like that
[13:25] <Caver> (isn't it fun to be moaning about this on a technology *older* than www)
[13:25] <Caver> nah ... just show them their proxy server logs ...
[13:25] <Jck_true> Datalink: Thankfully he was only there a week... Trying to teach him embedded programming was the longest day ever....
[13:25] <gordonDrogon> Caver, you've a few years to go, but keep at it and you'll become as cranky as me before you know it ;-)
[13:25] <Caver> oh cr*p ...
[13:26] <des2> For a cranky guy, you have a pretty good website.
[13:26] <Jck_true> Datalink: But! Next year i'll have a shiney Pi to give him :)
[13:26] <Datalink> I do own a cane to shake at people
[13:26] <Caver> I guess this is why I (begrudgingly) take my hat off to anyone who teaches
[13:27] <Jck_true> Oh website.. Reminds me i better get back to coding...
[13:27] <Caver> still new model means that making Freenet nodes out of them, will be much much easier
[13:27] <Caver> (or anything that is java based)
[13:28] <Jck_true> Then all we need is the graphic acceleration :)
[13:28] <Datalink> still won't run Minecraft
[13:29] <Datalink> and yes, GL acceleration would be nice, screw you Broadcom for denying us that
[13:29] <Caver> as in X acceleration?
[13:29] <Caver> yeah ... I really thought that would happen quickly, I guess it's a tough nut to crack
[13:29] <Jck_true> Oh and Android
[13:30] <des2> It's good that Broadcom acts that way. Helps teach kids how the real world makes and not to buy broadcom chips when they grow up.
[13:30] <Jck_true> Datalink: There's still minetest
[13:30] <Jck_true> des2: Ohhh please
[13:30] <Caver> sniggers .., now that's a fair point
[13:30] <Caver> think broadcom is hard, try IBM :P
[13:30] <Datalink> des2, that makes me want to write a wonderfully polite letter to Broadcom stating that
[13:31] <Caver> grins
[13:31] <Caver> Dear sirs,
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[13:32] <Jck_true> Why should they devote time and money to a platform that sells in microscopic amounts compared to their main areas ?
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[13:32] <Caver> I suspect a lot of Pi owners don't really realise that it's a tiny drop in the electronics ocean
[13:33] <Jck_true> Thats like calling Ford and asking them to transform your pickup truck into a space shuttle...
[13:33] <Datalink> sigh, yeah
[13:33] <Caver> mind you I gather we did exhaust the world SoC supplies for a while
[13:33] <Caver> (of that model)
[13:33] <Amorsen> Well they sell the same chipset for Android use, don't they?
[13:33] <Caver> correct
[13:33] <Datalink> yeah of that old model... iPhone 5 took up the more upper end ones (though Apple commissions their cores)
[13:33] <Caver> but only to people who have huge dev teams
[13:33] <Amorsen> So really they are just waiting for someone to pull themselves together and sue
[13:34] <Caver> ??? Sue for what?
[13:34] <Amorsen> GPL violations
[13:34] <Jck_true> ... wha?
[13:34] <japro> huh?
[13:34] <japro> you can totally use GL?
[13:34] <japro> well GLES
[13:34] * Caver is confused ... what GPL violations
[13:34] <Caver> binary blobs are really not new in the linux world
[13:35] <japro> doing that right now: https://twitter.com/JakobProgsch/status/257610130135339010
[13:36] <eix> japro: cool!
[13:36] <Amorsen> Caver, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2012-October/028846.html
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[13:37] <japro> to be honest, open source drivers are mostly annyoing from a developers perspective
[13:37] <Caver> I err thats got nothing to do with the Pi
[13:37] <Amorsen> Caver, sure it does
[13:37] <eix> Caver: exhaust world SoC supplies..when?
[13:37] <japro> i prefer a proprietary binary blot with good opengl support and performance over a "free driver" any day
[13:37] <Amorsen> Combining binary blobs with kernel code, selling the combined code
[13:37] <eix> japro: it's not high-level programming friendly
[13:37] <eix> japro: nor I think it should..
[13:38] <Caver> Amorsen, thats nvidia not Broadcom
[13:38] <Amorsen> So?
[13:38] <japro> eix, huh?
[13:38] <Amorsen> They are doing the exact same thing
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[13:38] <eix> japro: oh..I thought you were talking about OpenGL..sorry
[13:38] <japro> a free driver would implement the same opengl api the blob would? or are we talking about different things?
[13:38] <Caver> no combining open and close is *fine*, it's converting GPL code into non-GPL code that is the issue here
[13:38] <japro> i sort of am
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[13:39] <Caver> errr do you know what a API is?
[13:39] <eix> mmh..but I think the OpenGL API is fine
[13:39] <eix> although I didn't get in touch with more recent versions..
[13:39] <Amorsen> Caver, I believe we're off topic for this place so I'll stop. Alan Cox in particular has made his views very clear.
[13:40] <japro> well what i'm trying to get at is that all the "free software based" drivers in the desktop linux space are stuck at opengl 2.1 with questionable performance
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[13:40] <dreamer> pong
[13:40] <Jck_true> You can easily combine GPL and non-GPL code... The only clause is that if you modify the GPL code in any way you have to make the changes public
[13:40] <Caver> exactly
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[13:40] <Jck_true> dreamer: ping
[13:41] <Caver> you can also have open source interfacing to closed source blobs using api's that's always been fnie
[13:41] <dreamer> so, last night I changed the password of my wheezy install .. and of course I totally forgot it today. i'm not looking in to booting the image in qemu to a root shell so i can change the password again. I'm poking at this guide: http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/ .. however I'm not getting far in to the boot
[13:41] <Datalink> GPL does not force disclosure, it forces disclosure to those that would recieve the info, if you change GPL code for yourself, on your own system, you don't have to release, if you have a customer and you've modified GPL based code, that customer has a right to that code, etc
[13:41] <dreamer> s/not/now*
[13:41] <Datalink> public download means everyone who can download that file is a customer for that statement
[13:41] <japro> sure if bcm was more open with their specs etc. you could in principle get better support and maybe even implemeng GLES3 or OpenCL on top of all that
[13:42] <mgottschlag> dreamer: it might be easier to manipulate the password file
[13:42] * Datalink goes back to putting a console youtube browser on his pi
[13:42] <japro> but i have my doubts that would actually happen considering the "big" projects like MESA struggle to support stuff like opengl3 even when they get support from intel etc
[13:42] <Caver> :)
[13:42] <Jck_true> Datalink: What language?
[13:43] <eix> Datalink: I think I did that as well :)
[13:43] <dreamer> mgottschlag: i was thinking of that too, but isn't that encrypted? I was thinking of a chroot, but I can't do that obviously
[13:43] <mgottschlag> it should be a text file with hashed passwords
[13:44] <mgottschlag> that means, you can either copy an entry from another linux box, or you can hash your password with some tool
[13:44] <mgottschlag> never did it, but that is the theory
[13:45] <Datalink> mplayer = subprocess.Popen( ['omxplayer', '-o hdmi', url.decode('UTF-8').strip()], stdout = subprocess.PIPE, stderr = subprocess.PIPE)
[13:46] <Datalink> will this work for a proper mod, or does -o and hdmi have to go in seperate list values?
[13:46] <mgottschlag> dreamer: just replace the password part in the shadow file with ::
[13:47] <Datalink> mgottschlag's suggestion is a good one, it will make the password blank but that's good for an emergency login
[13:47] <dreamer> ok, so now it says 'pi:<hash>:5627:0:99999:7:::' and change that to 'pi::::5627:0:99999:7:::' ?
[13:47] <Datalink> yes
[13:47] <mgottschlag> eh, no, sec
[13:48] <mgottschlag> not pi::::5627, pi::5627 (I didn't mean you should add two ::, sorry)
[13:48] <dreamer> ok, just remove the hash?
[13:48] <Datalink> d'oh I didn't catch that >.<
[13:48] <Datalink> just remove the hash
[13:48] <dreamer> check
[13:48] <dreamer> just /etc/shadow ? or /etc/shadow- as well?
[13:49] <gordonDrogon> shadow- is the backup.
[13:50] * dreamer test
[13:50] <des2> shadow- is the anti password file. Don't let them touch or they'll explode.
[13:51] <Caver> lol
[13:52] <dreamer> oh shit, I forgot it had a hardcoded ip -_-
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[13:52] <dreamer> this'll take a little bit longer to test :)
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[13:53] <Datalink> hm, now to figure out how to use omxplayer to run rtsp streams...
[13:56] <Caver> man omxplayer?
[13:56] <Datalink> Caver, it was a python question actually
[13:56] <Caver> ahh
[13:56] <Datalink> mplayer = subprocess.Popen( ['omxplayer', '-o', 'hdmi', url.decode('UTF-8').strip()], stdout = subprocess.PIPE, stderr = subprocess.PIPE)
[13:56] <Datalink> that was how it should have been >.<
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[13:57] * Datalink watches Ponies the Anthology as a test...
[13:57] * Caver puts mind bleach on standby
[13:57] <Datalink> pfft
[13:58] <des2> If you survive the test it passes ?
[13:58] <Datalink> actually watching the second one, which has a nice 2001 parody near the end
[13:59] <Caver> mind you .. I'm being cranky old git again, the market for Pi's is of course pubescent teenager girls
[13:59] <Datalink> hm, still have to work on my offset for this TV
[13:59] * Caver spray paints his pink, with purple stars
[13:59] <des2> Brony!!
[13:59] * Datalink eyerolls
[14:00] <Hoerie> * Caver spray paints his pink, with purple stars <-- the rs one comes in a pink box with room for an sd card nowadays
[14:00] <Caver> bahahahaha
[14:00] <Caver> see ... I was on the money
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[14:01] <des2> The Pony Pi - get it now while it lasts...
[14:01] <Datalink> there's one arab country with intent of getting a pi to each of their school aged women, if I remember right... so... in a roundabout way, yeah...
[14:01] <Caver> lol
[14:01] <Tachyon`> anyone know of a c64 emulator that works well with the pi?
[14:01] <Dyskette> How many pubescent girls aren't teenagers?
[14:02] * Caver remembers a 9 year old at school ....
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[14:02] <Caver> who defo ... *ahem* ... was
[14:02] <Datalink> Tachyon`, I haven't played yet, I need to test Frodo
[14:02] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_VICE_C64_Emulator
[14:02] <sutterCane> Tachyon: have you tryed vice?
[14:02] <Tachyon`> I did
[14:02] <Datalink> oh Vice works?
[14:02] <Dyskette> Also, arguing MLP is targetted at teenage girls is off. Either it
[14:02] <Tachyon`> it idn't run very well
[14:02] <Dyskette> s pre-teens, or it's a market that extends well beyond teenagers
[14:02] <Dyskette> (Depending on how much you want to acknowledge the internet fandom)
[14:02] <Tachyon`> that just tells how to apt-get it, ti still doesn't work well
[14:03] <Datalink> the intended focus was girls and their parents... so... meh, I enjoy it, deal
[14:03] <Tachyon`> oh ffs, ponies
[14:03] <Tachyon`> I only remember the original but that was definitely aimed at young girls
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[14:03] <Dyskette> The newer stuff is less so.
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[14:04] <Datalink> the orginal... had good villains... no other redeeming qualities... new series has a good production staff
[14:04] <Dyskette> Not that I see the appeal still, but hey. Each to their own.
[14:04] <Tachyon`> I didn't really watch the original, went to a boys school where such things weren't viewed
[14:04] <Tachyon`> or if they were, only the once
[14:04] * Caver hands you a digestive biscuit
[14:05] <Tachyon`> that's an urban legend
[14:05] <Caver> (for old times sake)
[14:05] <Tachyon`> never really happened
[14:05] <Tachyon`> well, didn't at mine, although the legend was alive and well
[14:05] <Datalink> I find FiM to be entertaining, I've never wanted to force the stuff on anyone
[14:05] <Tachyon`> and this was in the 1980s
[14:05] <Datalink> but truth is this is like... an hour of FiM fan videos, so a good test of the yt script
[14:06] <Caver> if you don't want to talk about it, I understand ... it's time
[14:06] <Tachyon`> lol
[14:06] <Caver> these things take time to admit
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[14:06] <Tachyon`> look, trust me, nobody is more homophobic than teenage boys, there was none of that
[14:07] <Datalink> http://intrepid.illogicallabs.com/images/Datalinkcutie2.png to counter, I geeked up my pony enough for my taste
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[14:07] <Caver> I wonder if thats as true as it used to be
[14:07] <Tachyon`> probably not
[14:07] <Tachyon`> it was the 1980s etc.
[14:07] <Tachyon`> I'd assume people are a little more enlightened now
[14:07] <Datalink> was in the end of the 90's when I went
[14:08] <Hoerie> seeing how popular things like Twilight are, the world is probably a bit different these days
[14:08] <Datalink> people yes, teenagers, no
[14:08] <Caver> defo true for me in the 80's/90's
[14:08] <Caver> well thats good/better
[14:08] <Tachyon`> that school isn't the same as it was when I went, they have bars on the windows now
[14:08] <Tachyon`> never a good sign
[14:09] <Caver> to keep the kids in, or others out?
[14:09] <Tachyon`> and they've cut down the woods/orchard, got rid of the garden and fenced off the pond
[14:09] <Hoerie> to keep the students in, or the lowlifes out?
[14:09] <Tachyon`> all for health and safety reasons
[14:09] <Tachyon`> students in
[14:09] <Tachyon`> I think someone made a couple of determined attempts to jump out of a first floor window
[14:09] <Tachyon`> on not appreciating being sent there
[14:09] <Caver> erk
[14:09] <Tachyon`> well, it's 11-16 there so the younger ones don't always react well
[14:10] <Caver> I bet
[14:10] <Tachyon`> I was just glad to escape the brainwashing at home
[14:10] <Caver> poor things
[14:10] <Tachyon`> (psychotic religious parents etc.)
[14:10] <Caver> ahh
[14:11] <Caver> oh it was a religious school?
[14:11] <Tachyon`> I do occasionally peer at the place on google maps to see what else they've got rid of but it's hard to tell with the resolution around there
[14:11] <Tachyon`> no
[14:11] <Tachyon`> well, yes
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> reading the forums on the gertboard shipping - it looks like Farnell might have waited until they had stock in every country they ship to before actually starting to ship it. An odd way to operate, but I guess it stops people buying cross-borders, etc. with the hassle that causes...
[14:11] <Tachyon`> it was a quaker school
[14:11] <Tachyon`> but there was no religion in it
[14:11] <Tachyon`> it was a religous home
[14:11] <Tachyon`> fundamentalist christian parents etc., so I was very happy to be somewhere else as I knew even then it was all bollocks
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[14:12] <eix> wow
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[14:13] <Caver> I'd offer you a hug, but that might ... *gah*
[14:13] <dennistlg> like to have 512mb ram on pi but not buying a new :-(
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[14:13] <Datalink> dennistlg, yeah :/
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[14:15] <gordonDrogon> wonder if anyone'll offer a re-work service...
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[14:15] <gordonDrogon> probably cost just as much as buying a new one though.
[14:16] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, Samsung offers up to 4 gig chips in the size
[14:16] <Datalink> I think...
[14:16] <des2> sell the old to someone for $5 less buy a new one.
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[14:17] <NucWin> 4Gb datalink
[14:17] <NucWin> i think
[14:17] <Datalink> RAM isn't measured in bits
[14:18] <ReggieUK> no these days it's measured in gigabits
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[14:18] <Hoerie> the unit is still bits, giga- is simply a quantifier
[14:20] <ReggieUK> indeed but I thought datalink was claiming that Gb was the wrong quantifier/unit pairing
[14:20] <Datalink> RAM's usually in bytes.. not bits, big B
[14:20] <ReggieUK> when was the last time you looked at the datasheet for a ram chip?
[14:21] <NucWin> ram packages (sticks) are normally GB the chips normally in Gb
[14:21] <NucWin> i think
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[14:21] <Datalink> ReggieUK, I'm gonna hide behind the fact it's 7:20 AM and I haven't slept since yesterday
[14:21] <ReggieUK> no worries
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[14:23] <Hodapp> Datalink: GET SOME SLEEP, FOOL
[14:23] <Datalink> o.o
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[14:24] <Hodapp> Datalink: also, RAM _chips_ are often sold by bits
[14:24] <Hodapp> nevermind, NucWin just said this
[14:24] <NucWin> :P
[14:24] <Datalink> yeah
[14:24] * Hodapp tosses a few 256 kbit EPROMs in NucWin's coffee when he's not looking
[14:24] <Hodapp> teehee
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[14:25] <NucWin> although you would be quite annoyed if you ordered some ram chips and they arrived in bits
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[14:25] <Hodapp> o_O
[14:25] <des2> I buy my ram in bits and pieces.
[14:25] <Hodapp> yes, this is true
[14:25] <japro> ikea ram?
[14:25] <japro> r?m
[14:25] <Hodapp> hah
[14:25] <mythos> my ram is called tobias
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[14:27] <normod> isn't that the cmos memory?
[14:28] <des2> I use Cosmos memory, I just launch my bits into space.
[14:29] <japro> there is a lot of "space" but latency really sucks :D
[14:30] <NucWin> transmit as light so all you need to do is break the speed of light to retrive your data
[14:30] <Hodapp> NucWin: what if it hits something first?
[14:31] <Hodapp> then you'll have to be able to work that out backwards from the minute change in the material that it made
[14:31] <NucWin> if you hit something your a damn bad shot
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[14:31] <Hodapp> errr, the light's probably gonna hit something eventually
[14:31] <japro> yeah you just use two mirrors and then have light pulses encoding the data... all you have to do is wait until your information flies by :D
[14:31] <NucWin> yeh in a few million years or so
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[14:33] <japro> you could use the moon mirror as data storage by bouncing data off it and repeating it when it comes back
[14:33] <Hodapp> well, you'll have to keep track of where you sent it
[14:33] <Hodapp> it'll be a pain if you gotta go collect your data from the path that it'll make as it moves away from the Earth in all different directions
[14:35] <NucWin> if the governments keep storing data on us like they are planning/doing (emails calls etc) they are gonna need to turn the moon into a data storage device lol
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[14:36] <Draylor> nah
[14:36] <Draylor> bandwidth costs would ensure that wasnt viable :p
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[14:38] <NucWin> space pigeons. like adsl but faster
[14:38] <Matt> flying trucks full of DVDs
[14:38] <des2> THere's already an RFC for Internet by pigeon.
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[14:38] <NucWin> i know
[14:38] <Datalink> there needs to be one for firing TB drives by catapolt...
[14:39] <Datalink> ....
[14:39] <Datalink> now I know what I'm gonna do for Apr 1st
[14:40] <NucWin> for april the first im gonna put some pi's on ebay with 10GHz CPU and 64GB ram for $35
[14:40] <NucWin> or some iphone 6's for ??1500 not sure lol
[14:40] <Datalink> NucWin, your e-bay account to void
[14:41] <NucWin> as you might be able to tell from my previous comments im in NucWin's world and its party time \o/
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[14:42] <NucWin> although in real life it is funny to laugh at all the bid's on iphone 5's on ebay account with 0 rating (??1000+)
[14:42] <Caver> uhuh who's pay ??1000 for one?!
[14:43] <NucWin> crazy people on ebay my friend showed me one the other day
[14:44] <Caver> true ... bet it never goes through though
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[15:10] <M0RBD> Now I know how Joan of Arc felt... When the flames rose to her roman nose and her Walkman started to melt...
[15:10] <dcm1977> Afternoon! Has anyone had any success using any of the ultrasonic distance sensors on the pi?
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[15:12] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, I've used them on an Arduino - don't they usually have analog output?
[15:12] <Caver> I guess Gertboard and use the D --> A then?
[15:12] <gordonDrogon> that might work.
[15:13] <dcm1977> gertboard dispatched today so might be able to use it soon
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> looks like one person has had a Farnell one delivered...
[15:14] <dcm1977> i have a cheap HC-SR04 and ebay special which i have used on the arduino but to be honest didn't really understand how it worked
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[15:14] <Caver> I got a dispatch notice on my Farnel one this morning
[15:14] <Caver> which is annoying I meant to cancel it, as the tandy one arrived!
[15:15] <Caver> oh hum, I guess solder it up, then put it on ebay, I don't think I'll need 2
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, oh, that's a ping pong one!
[15:15] <dcm1977> form the data sheet it seems that the pulse wide of the echo back corresponds to the distance - that sounds digital to me.....
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> sure. You'll just need to calibrate the ping times.
[15:16] <dcm1977> i assume you are referring to the way it works rather than where it came from....
[15:16] <gordonDrogon> sure - ping, get an echo back.
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[15:17] <gordonDrogon> wow. they're cheap too.
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[15:17] <dcm1977> yep i just read the sheet and it kind of makes sense.. i guess that should be reasonably doable
[15:17] <dcm1977> they are amazingly cheap and was reasonably accurate on the arduino
[15:17] <Caver> sounds like fun
[15:17] <Caver> so .. home made automatic parking fun?
[15:18] <Caver> piney0, with camera and several of those sensors?
[15:18] <Caver> Pi - with camera and several of those sensors?
[15:18] <dcm1977> i have been playing with scratch actually and was going to add the distance detector to simplesi's patch
[15:18] <Datalink> dcm1977, uh... haven't tried, what rangefinder are you trying to use?
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, need to make sure it works on 3.3v though.
[15:20] <dcm1977> yeah i was thinking (though not thoroughly) i could use the UL2003 that is already on the buggy....?
[15:20] <tarheelbandb> hi gordon!
[15:21] <gordonDrogon> tarheelbandb, hello...
[15:21] <Datalink> dcm1977, PWM is a way to produce analog through fast switching, it is not a form of digital
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[15:22] <tarheelbandb> ur wiringpi page was a huge help for me
[15:22] <Datalink> an EE like myself tends to consider PWM 'faking' analog
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> tarheelbandb, glad it's working for you!
[15:22] <Caver> but quite efficient way of driving some things
[15:24] <Hodapp> if you filter it, it's not faking!
[15:24] <dcm1977> just thinking if i do use the UL2003 to beef up the pi signal to trigger the sensor what would be the best way to make the echo signal a safe voltage for the pi (as you can see i am trying to run before i can walk)
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[15:24] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, got a datasheet on it?
[15:25] <Caver> dcm1977, yeah, but thats half the fun :)
[15:25] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, you may not need anything, but I'd like to check - e.g. the uln may not be suitable to drive it - it all depends on what it needs...
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[15:26] * Datalink looks up the datasheet
[15:26] <dcm1977> 5v <2mA
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[15:28] <dcm1977> or maybe working current is 15mA!
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[15:28] <Datalink> dcm1977, http://learn.adafruit.com/reading-a-analog-in-and-controlling-audio-volume-with-the-raspberry-pi while not specifically relevent to your sensor, the ADC talked about here will be very useful for reading the output
[15:29] <dcm1977> cheer for that I had a look at that the other day buy not with this in mind!
[15:31] <Datalink> dcm1977, I could be wrong, the datasheet I'm looking at is briefer than a Broadcom product brief...
[15:32] <Caver> lol
[15:32] <Datalink> ideally I'd like to look at the arduino sketch you already used, it would allow me to form a more proper understanding of the device than this page of info I found
[15:33] <dcm1977> let me see if i still have it... i dug the sensor out today (haven't used it in a while)
[15:34] <Caver> I guess you need a fairly good timer to time the pip's?
[15:35] <Datalink> oh I'm sorry, it's digital
[15:35] <Caver> ah
[15:35] <Datalink> http://trollmaker.com/article3/arduino-and-hc-sr04-ultrasonic-sensor
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, ok - it's 5v ttl.
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, so power it off the Pi's 5v line - the input trigger will be fine, but the output pulse will need to be sent via a resistor divider to make it safe for the Pi.
[15:35] <Datalink> dcm1977, and I'm wrong, it is a digital device on the logic pins, I misunderstood the datasheet at first
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[15:36] <gordonDrogon> or a single resistor + zener diode.
[15:36] <dcm1977> ok i think this all makes sense particularly having found the sketch on the arduino
[15:36] <tinti> hi, do you think a 3v5 UART is compatible with Raspberrty?
[15:37] * eix 3V5 is 3.5V, gotcha
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, a downside is that the pulse return time is 58cm per microsecond.
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, er, time in uS / 58 = cm.
[15:38] <Will|> is there any documentation out there on building my own raspbian image?
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> so 58uS per cm.
[15:38] <Will|> I've tried using https://github.com/asb/spindle but no joy
[15:38] <gordonDrogon> timing at that level is difficult but not impossible.
[15:39] <dcm1977> i think this isn't going to be a few lines added to simplesi's scratch handler!
[15:39] <Datalink> tinti, 3v5, is within 10% of 3.3v it's... within tolerances but should be checked to make sure it's not providing more than 3.6v (as it could be running high or low of the voltage it states)
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[15:39] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, you'll probably need to do it all in C.
[15:39] <Datalink> dcm1977, on the plus side, I was wrong and you don't need an analog chip
[15:39] <tinti> In fact, I want to use UART and kgdb in RPI, but UART is normally at 5v. But with MSP430 Launchpad kit is possible to build a simple UART at 3v3.
[15:39] <dcm1977> lol
[15:40] <tinti> Datalink: yes. Launchpad tolerance is +- 0.3
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, actually I quite fancy one myself now :)
[15:40] <Datalink> tinti, it should be okay provided it's not on the high side of it's tolerance
[15:40] <tinti> Datalink: But I did not found RPI tolerance levels ...
[15:40] <Datalink> tinti, I believe it's cmos tolerance
[15:40] <dcm1977> hmmm C..... so the last time i did anything in C was about 1989! that might be fun!
[15:41] <tinti> Datalink: hum, I think I will take the risk and let you know :)
[15:41] <ln-> it hasn't changed too much since 1989.
[15:41] <dcm1977> gordonDrogon, i reckon even with the 30 day delivery time on ebay you'll have it working quicker than me!
[15:41] <Datalink> tinti, I don't forsee it being too much of an issue, so long as it's not outputting over 4 volts
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, nah, I never buy off ebay importers.
[15:42] <Datalink> that's... a bit generous but I have other 3v3 devices with that tolerance provided I turn on it's fuses in the config (FPGA)
[15:42] <Datalink> er, protection resistors
[15:42] <Datalink> not fuses
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[15:43] <gordonDrogon> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/ultra-sonic-range-measurement-module-p-997.html -< out of stock )-:
[15:43] <Datalink> some engineers round 3v3 to 3v5 too, so it could be engineer math (tm)
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[15:44] <gordonDrogon> ln-, well there's the c99 standard :)
[15:44] <Datalink> within 5-10% go!
[15:44] <tinti> Datalink: :)
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[15:45] <Datalink> tinti, that said the pin I accidentally wired to 5v last week still works (wired both 3v3 pins to power rail on the breadboard and put the pins on the wrong side of the ribbon)
[15:45] <dcm1977> Wife is going to mad but I am going to make this my project for the next few days..... Scratch is beginning to take shape it is much faster now a few patches have been added. PWM has been added to the handler. A distance sensor would be a neat addition!!
[15:45] <tinti> Datalink: no I have measured it.
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, might it be easier to use one of the sensors with I2C?
[15:46] <Datalink> tinti, then 3v5 is within the tolerances, 3.465 is what I get mathwise for 5% tolerance, which is considered good tolerance
[15:47] <dcm1977> yeah but I have this one! and is cheap .... probably not so cheap on my time though
[15:47] <Datalink> dcm1977, I can attest that i2c is very functional on the Pi, I use an i2c device constantly
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, to drive that one, you'll need to send it a 10uS pulse, then wait for the reply pin to trip - that wait will be in units of 58uS per cm distance...
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[15:47] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, I'm really not sure you'll be able to active that in scratch - but if scratch can call/link to C code then it can be done.
[15:47] <dcm1977> yep I have the maths down it will be the code that is a problem.
[15:49] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, remind me to do a writeup when I'm done working on the opcode commands for this display... I wanna post on my site, then mirror on yours if you're okay with that
[15:49] <Datalink> your writeup on testing SPI's the basis for my work, so that's why XD
[15:49] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, C11 standard now
[15:49] <dcm1977> Scratch can't call the c code but you can set variable in scratch via a script - currently in python. So it would be a case of the python script just firing off distance values to the scratch variable.
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[15:50] <Datalink> python's timing should be good enough to actually get a reading, but native code would be better
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, sorry, what... eh? opcode commands for what display?
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[15:51] <dcm1977> I am guessing it is somewhere in the wiki but what voltage range can the pi GPIO inputs take safely
[15:51] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I'm trying to get an SPI display to work, and I want to do a writeup on how I did it
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[15:51] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, oh right. you mean an lcd type display 2x16, etc. ?
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[15:52] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, someone else was asking recently about adding an I2C type display to the wiringPi lcd library - something along the lines of expanding it like the arduino library seems to be expanding/growing ...
[15:52] <Datalink> dcm1977, they're 3v3 pins, except the 5v power rail, tolerance should be within 10% of 3v3, so 3v6 max, 4v tolerance if we're lucky
[15:53] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, it's a graphic OLED, 96x64
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[15:53] <Datalink> so I get to discuss font conversion, whee
[15:53] <dcm1977> Datalink, it is just for a kids buggy robot so it is more to make it stop before it runs into something! I think the timing accuracy might be a bit irrelevant in the end but we will see
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, ah ok. I recall that now (I think)
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> just had too much on my mind recently.
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[15:54] <Datalink> dcm1977, then yeah, you're just seeing if the input went high before a certain amount of time
[15:54] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, know how that goes
[15:54] <dcm1977> so a potential divider with a ratio of restance 3.3:5 would give me a safe input if i am taking the power of the 5V rail?
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[15:55] <Datalink> dcm1977, yeah gordonDrogon mentioned options for level shifting earlier
[15:55] <Datalink> which is just a simple resistor divider
[15:56] <dcm1977> yeah I read that I was just wondering how close to 3.3V i needed to be!
[15:56] <Datalink> if the timing wasn't this critical, I'd suggest a 74 series chip that does level shifting
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> 330?? resistor + a 3.3v zener diode.
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[15:57] <dcm1977> ok time to get the kids from school.... i'll give you an update if I get it working .... or i'll be back for advice when I can't.... what is the best lead time for an new pi if I fry this one!
[15:58] <booyaa> gordonDrogon++ for use of ??
[15:58] <booyaa> show off ;)
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> :-)
[15:59] <Datalink> dcm1977, 74LVC245 if you expect to use a lot of 5v logic devices, it's an octal bidirectional tranciever
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> Or use sensor -> 220?? ---+--- 330?? --> 0v and take the gpio pin at the +
[15:59] <Datalink> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/03/02/new-product-74lvc245-breadboard-friendly-8-bit-logic-level-shifter/
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, overkill for just one pin though.
[15:59] <Datalink> I got one with that OLED I was telling gordon about
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> I made up one of the Mike Cook buffer boards recently - he uses zener diodes on the inputs - make it work fine up to a shade more than 5V if neccessary...
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[16:00] <Datalink> basically you power the 74LVC245 at the output voltage (3v3 in the Pi's case) and it'll be tolerant up to 5 volts, the chip's actually stable down to 1v8
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> actually, it's quite versatile too.
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[16:01] <Datalink> though with the specific timing needed for sonar it may not be responsive enougj
[16:01] <Datalink> enough*
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[16:03] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, the 74LVC245 may be faster than the resistors though...
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, but at the speeds we're taking about it shouldn't be an issue.
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[16:04] <Matt> sonar?
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[16:04] <gordonDrogon> Matt, sonar.
[16:05] <Matt> who's implementing sonar? :)
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[16:05] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, actually, yeah, it's useful for me as I used it for almost all it's pins (SPI, 2 devices with my Arduino in 5V)
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[16:05] <Datalink> Matt, dcm1977 is looking to, potentially
[16:06] <steve_rox> guy on utube is powering a 5v fan off gpio , he cant figure out why the pi cuts out :-P heh
[16:06] <Datalink> snirk
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[16:07] <Datalink> I should talk... I've actually rebooted my pi so many times with USB
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[16:07] <Datalink> then there was the 5v to a GPIO pin...
[16:07] <steve_rox> well i warned him about drawing too much current
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[16:08] <steve_rox> then he says hes going to OC the pi even more with this fan on it drawing all that power
[16:08] <Datalink> steve_rox, heh, question will be if he lisstens
[16:08] <Datalink> suggest a tub of mineral oil and let him be done with it
[16:08] <blackspike> hi all. just wanted to double check something. i had a problem with MySQl yesterday, and am nor re-imaging to try again. does this link seem ok:
[16:08] <blackspike> http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Raspberry-Pi-Web-Server
[16:08] <steve_rox> heh
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[16:10] <steve_rox> havent really done anything with my pi's gpio yet
[16:10] <Datalink> blackspike, seems so for a webserver config, what went wrong with mysql though?
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> blackspike, looks fine, I guess.
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> Matt, a sort of cheeap sonar device - the HC-SR04 device. no on-board processing otehr than the pinger and listener modules...
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, http://www.thebox.myzen.co.uk/Raspberry/Breakout.html
[16:12] <blackspike> Datalink: oh, MySQL fell to bits ... probably my fault. wouldn't run, spent ages tryign to reconfigure, to no avail#
[16:12] <Datalink> blackspike, ew... strange, what was the processor load at the time?
[16:13] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, yeah, I'm using the adafruit breakout now, after the 5v incident
[16:13] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, that one looks useful though, for folks who work on wire to wire instead of breadboard like I do
[16:14] <Datalink> honestly the clamp connector's a bit overkill though... keyed jack is ideal, wish there was an easy way to swap the pi's GPIO header with one
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> don't think there's enough room on the Pi for one.
[16:16] <g0to> hi there!
[16:17] <blackspike> Datalink: no idea on processor load, should just ahve been doing "apt-get" to download/install, and then configuring. am hoping it works this time, except i've just hit another error in the rpi-update from link i just posted
[16:17] <g0to> any recommendation about a Raspbian flavor for a headless system?
[16:17] <dirty_d> has anyone else noticewd crond taking 100% cpu in little spurts even though no jobs are running?
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[16:18] <Datalink> blackspike, if you're using raspbian or debian apt-get should be okay, I use the webserver on my pi from that but I'm also not using it to host pages, merely utility stuff that happens to be www
[16:18] <dirty_d> archlinux specifically
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[16:19] <gordonDrogon> g0to, er, raspbian is raspbian.
[16:19] <dirty_d> anyone else switch to systemd?
[16:19] <Datalink> g0to, the main raspbian, on first login you'll get raspi-config (this can also be run using sudo raspi-config at any time) and just change boot_behavior to not load the desktop, and you've got a headless
[16:19] <dirty_d> its freakin awesome
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, why?
[16:20] <Matt> dirty_d: until it decides to do something stupid :)
[16:20] <Matt> friend of mine was just complaining the other day how it was doing stupid things with screen and ssh
[16:20] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, it boots literally 10 times faster and everything is very consistent
[16:20] <blackspike> Datalink: thanks, -- just found my error on rpi-update: my typo! oops!
[16:20] <dirty_d> mounting of external drives and network etc
[16:21] <dirty_d> with init sometimes my usb drive would take too long to be detected and not mount
[16:21] <Matt> login, start screen, fire stuff up inside screen, detach screen, logout, systemd kills screen for you
[16:21] <dirty_d> things like that
[16:21] <Datalink> blackspike, typos can cause issues, glad you found it :D
[16:21] <dirty_d> its just very consuistent and reliable
[16:21] <g0to> Datalink, but, do I will need a monitor/screen for that first time? Could I just connect via ssh from the beginning?
[16:21] <dirty_d> the automounter works very well
[16:22] <Datalink> g0to, hang on... I have a fresh image, I'll check
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[16:22] <g0to> Datalink, thanks ;)
[16:22] <blackspike> Datalink: now to figure why rpi-update can't see git? trying to apt-get git-core again. oh, all the fun of the fair! ;)
[16:22] <dirty_d> Matt, it should have anything to do with screen or ssh?
[16:23] <dirty_d> shouldn't
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[16:24] <Matt> dirty_d: systemd decided that because you'd logged out, all processes spawned under that login session should be killed
[16:24] <Matt> which included screen
[16:24] <hyde> Matt: systemd does that kind of stuff?
[16:25] <Datalink> ick, g0to monitor and keyboard needed, but just once
[16:25] <Matt> rather than simply HUPing the shell that spawned it
[16:25] <hyde> who in their right minds would implement stuff like that? Ok, somebody who didn't know much about unix stuff, I guess
[16:26] <g0to> Datalink, all right. I'll find out if I could use another method. Thanks again for checking it out ;)
[16:26] <Datalink> g0to, if you have a Linux box you can just enable SSH in /etc/
[16:26] <hyde> ...but what does code like that do in a daemon, which is being taken into use by multiple distros? what else nasty surprises does it yield?
[16:26] <dirty_d> Matt, interesting
[16:26] * Matt nods
[16:27] <Datalink> hm, Kingston, that's interesting...
[16:27] <Datalink> I have a Kingston SD card that split cleanly, just reolized it while I was answering g0to's question...
[16:27] <Matt> there's a lot of stuff that's found its way into distros now in order to make them more userfriendly that's causing more trouble than it's worth for experienced users
[16:27] <Datalink> the memory is acutally half height or less...
[16:27] <Matt> pulseaudio for example
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[16:27] <g0to> Datalink, you mean, another Linux box? Because I have one
[16:27] <Datalink> Kingston could make flush mount Pi SD cards easilly
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[16:28] <gordonDrogon> Hm. artivle in /. about the Pi's 512MB RAM... I expect their site will get a bit of an additional load due to it :)
[16:28] <Datalink> g0to, yeah, one you can mount the SD card on, so you can mount the root partition and edit the config
[16:29] <zgreg> I'd rather like to see SD cards that reliable perform well with random access...
[16:29] <dirty_d> Matt, i think youre supposed to use pam_systemd to solve that issue
[16:29] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, yeah, t-2 hours till DDOS
[16:29] <zgreg> gordonDrogon: really? /. isn't that popular anymore
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[16:30] <g0to> Datalink, I will try to enable it manually. Thank you one more time
[16:32] <Datalink> g0to, sure thing
[16:34] * Datalink checks the config differences between fresh and normal image
[16:34] <Datalink> except I have to boot up my laptop... ugh
[16:35] <dirty_d> Matt, archlinux already has pam_systemd enabled
[16:35] <dirty_d> what distro was your freind using?
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[16:43] <dirty_d> Matt, hyde: see that, or was i disconnected?
[16:44] <hyde> dirty_d: saw your question about Matt's friends distro, and before that about pam_systemd
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[16:46] <dirty_d> ok
[16:46] <Matt> dirty_d: no idea
[16:47] <dirty_d> oh, well thats the problem, pam_systemd puts processes into the user's cgroup instead of sshd login etc so they dont get killed when the login session ends
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[17:12] <dcm1977> ok been thinking again.... if I power the device from the 5v pin on the pi, i presume the trigger signal will also need to be a 5V signal... what is the best way of getting that? As i mentioned for the motors I am using a UL2003 buffer
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[17:19] <Datalink> most 5v devices actually trigger from 2v5 up
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[17:29] <dcm1977> cheers for that Datalink so it is just the echo signal that need fixing
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[17:30] <Datalink> dcm1977, yes
[17:30] <dcm1977> cool
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[17:31] <dcm1977> just playing with it on the arduino first!
[17:33] <Datalink> if you had a 3v3 capable Arduino like mine, you could just cheat and use it as the distance sensor XD
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[17:35] <dcm1977> working fine on my freeduino - just trying to work out how to record the echo signal on a crappy digital oscilloscope so that I can be sure it is working when I connect it to the pi
[17:36] <Datalink> kinda need a triggering capable scope for that
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[17:37] <dcm1977> I was planning on record for a period of time and then reviewing the signal afterwards
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[17:39] <gordonDrogon> you can do it if the scope has a 1-shot mode. Get it to trigger on the falling-edge of the trigger pulse.
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[17:40] <gordonDrogon> put something like a card reasonably close - e.g. 30cm away then you should see the signal on the scope some 58*30 = 1740uS later.
[17:41] <dcm1977> this is a cheapo thing that looks like an iPod! i am pretty sure that I can record the signal to an sd and then review it!!
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[17:42] <dcm1977> triggering isn't something you get for ??30!
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> ?30???
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> what is it?
[17:43] <dcm1977> a minidso dso201
[17:43] <dcm1977> ebay auction from a guy in london - think he probably got it from china and had even less of an idea of what it does than i do!
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[17:47] <dcm1977> think the sampling rate is too low to see these signals though
[17:47] <gordonDrogon> ah. I have a dso quad.
[17:47] * Matt still wishes he'd brought his scope with him when he moved
[17:47] <Matt> it's not worth shipping now
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[17:49] <dcm1977> so the data sheet for this iPod says the sample rate is 1MS/s - does this mean it only collects 1 ms of data per second or am I barking up the wrong tree
[17:49] <buZz> eh
[17:49] <buZz> ms is milliseconds, MS is megasample
[17:49] <dcm1977> oh ok
[17:49] <Datalink> 1MHz basically
[17:50] <Datalink> I need to get a scope
[17:50] <Datalink> er, a modern one that is
[17:50] <Datalink> my old scope's useless unless I have a ruler
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[17:53] <dcm1977> so that should be fine to see these 150uS to 38ms signals
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[17:56] <Datalink> I believe so, however I'm tired so my mental math may be off
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[17:57] <gordonDrogon> if you place the card 10cm away, then the pulse time ought to be just under 200uS
[17:58] <gordonDrogon> so if the scope can be set to 50uS/division, then you ought to be able to see the return pulse just over half way across the scope...
[17:58] <Matt> 1 megasamples per second means the highest frequency you're going to be able to represent is 500kHz
[17:58] <Matt> the whole nyquist thing of needing two datapoints and all that
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> Matt, indeed but for this, it ought to be possible - but if the scope can't trigger (what scope can't?) then it's not going to be very good...
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[17:59] <gordonDrogon> I know the controls on the dso quad I have are a royal pita to use, but it can do that without much issues.
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[18:01] <eix> eh. farnell added a nice popup whenever you start typing "rasp"
[18:01] <a5m0> are the new 512mb models the rev2's that have the increased usb current as well?
[18:01] <eix> it asks you "looking for the Raspberry Pi 512MB?"
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[18:02] <digitlman> I just ordered my 2nd, a 512M from newark.com!
[18:03] <digitlman> do these also have the new mounting holes?
[18:03] <Datalink> digitlman, the 512s are the rev 2 boards, so yes
[18:03] <digitlman> cool
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[18:04] <a5m0> Datalink, thanks that seems to answer my question too
[18:04] <a5m0> it would be nice if newark noted rev2 somewhere, unless they did and i missed it
[18:04] <Datalink> a5m0, yeah, it would be... grumble
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[18:05] <[diecast]> new raspi?
[18:06] <Datalink> [diecast], the just announced an update, 512 Meg model Bs
[18:06] <[diecast]> ya
[18:06] <[diecast]> got the email from element, now the question - to buy or not...
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[18:07] <digitlman> buy!
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[18:12] <gordonDrogon> buy buy buy ..
[18:12] <Kane> hey o/
[18:13] <Datalink> and thus we became a cult...
[18:13] <Datalink> hi
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[18:15] <Tachyon`> hrm, those vice instructions don't work
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[18:18] <gordonDrogon> vice?
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[18:18] <diverdude> hello. Does raspberry pi support jumbo frames?
[18:18] <AC`97> liek elephants?
[18:18] <gordonDrogon> diverdude, it doesn't support Gb, so rather moot..
[18:18] <AC`97> jumbo dumbo??
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[18:19] <diverdude> gordonDrogon: moot?
[18:19] <InControl> at least there will be lots of mega cheap early pis on ebay soon
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> diverdude, in this context it means that it's pretty much a non-issue as it doesn't support Gb therefore can't support jumbo frames.
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/moot-point.html
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[18:22] <eix> rpi-3.2.27 is broken for me. freshly compiled, will always hang up the system. this does not happen with the distributed kernel.img. does anybody know the exact git commit of that distributed kernel?
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[18:23] <eix> interesting to note that hangup happens faster if I enable overclock, and slower if I disable it. still, no crashes with the distributed kernel.img
[18:23] <eix> I think there is some merge from mainline kernel that wasn't tested (related to cgroup probably), not sure. can anybody confirm/deny?
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[18:26] <bakers> What's the status on the "A" model... is that still in the works? I'd like a cheaper model without the ethernet because I'm just going to use wifi
[18:26] <Hoerie> it's still in the works
[18:26] <Datalink> eix, I've been running a build of that for a week
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[18:27] <Datalink> only flaw I've had since the recompile was related to a power drain reset or two when I hotplugged somethign
[18:27] <eix> Datalink: which .config?
[18:27] <Datalink> something*
[18:27] <eix> I've been unable to run any compiled kernel here, and it's gettin frustrating
[18:27] <Datalink> eix, I did a bit of tweaking, more than you did if I remember your diff file right
[18:27] <eix> Datalink: that's sad..so it means I have something wrong here :(
[18:28] <eix> I think I will reimage
[18:28] <Datalink> eix, compiled on device or in a crosscompile?
[18:28] <eix> Datalink: on device
[18:28] <Datalink> overclocked during the compile?
[18:28] <eix> Datalink: yes
[18:28] <Datalink> eix, try stepping down to 700 and recompile, see if that works
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[18:29] <eix> Datalink: but..seriously, what could happen? wrong jiffies constant?
[18:29] <Gallomimia> okay so the new B models have half a gig when the older ones had a quarter?
[18:30] <Datalink> eix, only if it's time doesn't keep up with the rest of the universe
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[18:30] <Datalink> Gallomimia, that's the news, yeah
[18:30] <eix> and now doesn't get the wifi anymore..weird
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[18:30] <Datalink> eix, verify that the wifi is enabled?
[18:31] <eix> there is a core dump in the root, I might check that
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[18:31] <eix> what's the tool to investigate those?
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[18:33] <Datalink> looks like core
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[18:34] <Datalink> nm
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[18:34] <Datalink> I donno, too tired to think straight now... blah
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[18:35] <eix> Datalink: no worries
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[18:37] <rymate1234> well now I'm annoyedd
[18:37] <rymate1234> I've hardly had my Pi for a month
[18:37] <rymate1234> and a new one is released with more ram
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[18:38] <gordonDrogon> rymate1234, great, isn't it? :)
[18:39] <rymate1234> Nope!
[18:39] <j0nnymoe> it is
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[18:39] <rymate1234> I've got the old one -.-
[18:39] <rymate1234> XD
[18:39] <j0nnymoe> its a ?30 device
[18:39] <Datalink> rymate1234, I've only ever had a RAM related problem with trying to run stuff that won't run in the new memory size and omxplayer going 'nope' at my 16 meg split
[18:39] <j0nnymoe> its not like its a ?400 device
[18:39] <rymate1234> I know lol
[18:39] <rymate1234> I might buy a new one
[18:40] <Hoerie> if you wanted rock-solid specs you should have waited until after the dev period
[18:40] <Datalink> minecraft won't run on the 512... so the only reason I'd bother upgrading won't run
[18:40] <eix> ok, now I'm cleaning the kernel build directory and bulding again without overclock :s
[18:40] <rymate1234> I could
[18:40] <rymate1234> meh
[18:40] <Datalink> that said, probably will buy a rev 2 next month
[18:40] <rymate1234> Datalink, why won't it run?
[18:40] <j0nnymoe> I will replace my pi's with the newer ones eventually
[18:40] <rymate1234> oh yeah
[18:40] <rymate1234> lack of hardware acceleration
[18:41] <Datalink> rymate1234, Minecraft's footprint starts at 512... with the RAM split that's at max 494, starving the GPU, and yes, hardware acceleration, and lack of hardfloat friendly Java
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[18:41] <rymate1234> openjdk works fine with minecraft
[18:42] <eix> try some C port of minecraft, that might work. in 8bit graphics mode
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[18:42] <Hoerie> oracle is apparently working on hardfloat jdk
[18:42] <rymate1234> also I can quite happily run minecraft with 256MB ram on my laptop
[18:42] <rymate1234> I was gonna try port Minecraft to OpenGL ES
[18:43] <rymate1234> Took one look at the render code and wa like "nope"
[18:43] <lempiainen> hiya
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[18:43] <lempiainen> just a quick questien
[18:43] <lempiainen> how do i check that my rpi is really running in turbo mode?
[18:44] <Datalink> lempiainen, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[18:45] <Kane> first start of the Rpi done \o/, now i need a tv with NTSC management >_>
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[18:46] <[SLB]> the composite is in ntsc?
[18:46] <lempiainen> Datalink: what should I be looking in cpuinfo
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[18:46] <Kane> [SLB]: yep
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[18:47] <Datalink> lempiainen, BogoMIPS I think...
[18:47] <Datalink> someone told me a few hours ago I should sleep... I should have listened... so my info may be fuzzy
[18:47] <japro> vcgencmd measure_clock arm?
[18:47] <[SLB]> lempiainen, better /opt/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock arm
[18:47] <[SLB]> ^
[18:48] <[SLB]> if turbo mode means performance governor then also bogomips will do
[18:48] <rymate1234> so yeah
[18:48] <Datalink> [SLB], you've got it, I must be tired...
[18:48] <rymate1234> I might upgrade my Pi soon
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[18:49] <[SLB]> np :)
[18:49] <Datalink> rymate1234, howso?
[18:49] <lempiainen> [SLB]: what should I have installed for that to work
[18:49] <rymate1234> I want 512MB ram XD
[18:49] <Datalink> /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd measure_clock arm
[18:49] <j0nnymoe> buy one then :P
[18:49] <[SLB]> right, an updated firmware
[18:49] <Datalink> rymate1234, ah
[18:50] <AC`97> i haven't even used over 90MB of ram yet, but i would like a nice sparkly 320MB tmpfs
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> intersting... after months running without an issue, one of my Pi's PSUs now is having problems )-: It's a jawbone charger - rated at 700mA.
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[18:50] <AC`97> gordonDrogon: too much load.
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[18:51] <gordonDrogon> AC`97, well same load as always - but it had been intermittent the past few days.
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[18:51] <AC`97> it's probably only meant to provide 700mA for like half an hour or so
[18:51] <AC`97> :P
[18:51] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I've run my pi off my laptop's esata, my TV's USB and 2 wall chargers...
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> I ran memtester on it, and noticed the power LED flickering!
[18:51] <AC`97> indeed.
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> also a 2-line LCD display was flickering too - multimeter was jumping about all over the place - down to 3.8v at one point.
[18:52] <AC`97> ...
[18:52] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, random fact, a seeeduino cannot provide enough power for a Pi
[18:52] <AC`97> bad cable ??
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> currently running it off a laptop and it's fine..
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[18:52] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, why would I power a Pi from a seeeduino?
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, I've powered seeduinos and arduinos from a Pi without issues though.
[18:52] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I wasn't saying you would, saying I did...
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[18:53] <Datalink> yeah, I'd go that route if I wasn't usually using the ftdi
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, via the micro usb connector, or normal usb (or gpio?)
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[18:54] <Datalink> seeeduino's a mini (I think, the thicker of the two, and I'm half asleep and can't tell the names apart when awake)
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[18:58] <dcm1977> ok so i am now friends with my little DSO201 - the probe connection was loose hence lack of success - works as I would have expected once connected (funny that!)
[18:58] <blackspike> oops, forgot to log out! had to run to shops! Conveniently, Pi is ready for next stage. Can i check something please?
[18:59] <blackspike> Apache is reporting: "Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName" is this a problem? I haven't tried to set it up yet, just install
[18:59] <Datalink> dcm1977, 'is it plugged in' is number one on the troubleshooting lists for that reason... I've skipped that step some dozen times in odd ways
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> yup. dodgy PSU.
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> wish I still had my old load box.
[18:59] <Datalink> blackspike, that's a warning, not an error, it's just info about the server not having a name in the apache config
[19:00] <gordonDrogon> I had a nice decade box with 5 watt resistors in it.
[19:00] <Datalink> blackspike, totally non-fatal warning, ignorable
[19:00] <blackspike> Datalink: ok thnks. Next stage is MySQL, so wanted to make sure all was well before borking everything :)
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[19:04] <TheSeven> gordonDrogon: it would still work at 3.8V :P
[19:04] <TheSeven> but it probably went much lower than that very briefly
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[19:07] <blackspike> w00t! I have MySQL! <does the happy dance>
[19:07] <TheSeven> I'll try a hack that might allow it to run with as low as 3.0V later today :P
[19:08] <AC`97> ...
[19:08] <AC`97> voltage booster hack? :P
[19:08] <TheSeven> nope
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[19:09] <TheSeven> just adding an additional ultra-low-dropout 3.3v regulator on the expansion header
[19:09] <AC`97> onboard regulator removal/replacement hack ??
[19:09] <TheSeven> (and adding a serial port + max232 while I'm at it)
[19:09] <AC`97> oh.
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[19:09] <TheSeven> do you happen to know how much load is on the 3.3v rail?
[19:09] <TheSeven> I'm assuming max. 300mA
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[19:10] <AC`97> i'm assuming less.
[19:10] <TheSeven> yeah, better have some margin
[19:10] <TheSeven> and I've built a simple regulator circuit that has as low as 200mV dropout (the onboard one has 1100mV)
[19:10] <AC`97> o.o
[19:10] <Kane> is the pi have enought memory to run a classic LAMP system ? (mysql scare me a little for this)
[19:10] <AC`97> Kane: yes, more than enough.
[19:11] <TheSeven> in my experience the USB + LAN still works fine at 2.8V on the 3.3V rail
[19:11] <TheSeven> which puts us at about 3.0V input
[19:11] <Kane> it's a good news ! thanks AC`97 :)
[19:11] <AC`97> (:
[19:11] <TheSeven> the SoC's internal switching regulator should probably be able to handle that as well
[19:11] <TheSeven> it's a shame that there isn't a (public) datasheet for this
[19:12] <TheSeven> and I don't think anything else (except for the USB ports) uses the 5V rail
[19:13] <a5m0> is newark still shipping all pi's individually or can we finally save on shipping yet?
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[19:14] <TheSeven> the 2.5v regulator is ultra-low current and ultra-low dropout (120mV), so that won't care (and work down to 2.62V)
[19:15] <TheSeven> 1.8v should be safe as well (plenty of room for dropout here)
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[19:15] <TheSeven> the goal is to run this bugger directly off a single li-ion cell if you don't need 5v on the usb ports
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> it seemingly does at 4.3
[19:16] <SpeedEvil> dies
[19:16] <TheSeven> mine ran fine at 3.9V without any hacks
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[19:17] <steve_rox> makeing some portable pi hack?
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[19:17] <SpeedEvil> ah
[19:17] <TheSeven> steve_rox: yes
[19:17] <steve_rox> fun?
[19:17] <Berry6510> good news that 512mb, i recently ordered one so
[19:17] <TheSeven> steve_rox: definitely :)
[19:18] <steve_rox> i wonder if this improved ram may cause some kinda programming devision , eg software only works on 512 rev
[19:18] <Berry6510> no hoax i
[19:18] <Berry6510> suppose
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[19:18] <TheSeven> steve_rox: well you can surely write software that will only run with more than 256MB of RAM
[19:18] <TheSeven> but I doubt anyone would deliberately do so
[19:19] <TheSeven> it just opens up the rpi to new applications that weren't possible with the old one
[19:19] <steve_rox> i see
[19:19] <steve_rox> well i wont be ordering a new revision any time soon
[19:19] <TheSeven> wait for the 1GB one :)
[19:19] <steve_rox> nahhh
[19:20] <steve_rox> i dont really have a grand purpose for the pi right now
[19:20] <japro> nah, from now on i'll put "char *mem = new char[256*1024*1024]; //muhahahahaha" at the beginning of every program
[19:20] <JamesHarrison> not that many applications. Mostly, Java.
[19:20] <TheSeven> japro: won't help :P
[19:21] <Berry6510> what about xbmc like things?
[19:21] <TheSeven> first of all this will be optimized away
[19:21] <TheSeven> and the kernel would probably never really allocate the pages even if it wouldn't be thrown out
[19:21] <TheSeven> so you'd have to actually write something there
[19:21] <TheSeven> and even that would be handled fairly well by swap :P
[19:22] <japro> huh? not if i call sort regularily on it :D
[19:22] <TheSeven> :)
[19:22] <Hodapp> oh lord, AR_ is in #android-dev
[19:22] <TheSeven> that would impact performance on the 512MB model though :P
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[19:23] <steve_rox> i setup a vpn on my pi , seems my router is being annoying and ignoreing certain authentification packets
[19:23] <steve_rox> did have it working then it suddenly stopped
[19:24] <g0to> Datalink, remember about ssh launched by default on Raspbian? I tried it and it worked
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[19:25] <g0to> Datalink, so I'm using a headless RP from the beginning with the oficial Raspbian image
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> TheSeven, I've sucked 170mA off the 3.3v supply in the past - in addition to that used by the SoC, etc.
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> TheSeven, http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg <--- 10mA each.
[19:31] <AC`97> *sizzle*
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[19:31] * aaa801 is in a raging rage
[19:31] * aaa801 grabs mallet, TIME TO GO SMASHING SKULLS
[19:31] <aaa801> :3
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[19:32] <rymate1234> aaa801, why?
[19:32] <aaa801> Some faggots stole my girlfriends bike from outside where i live
[19:32] <aaa801> she cant walk for long before her legs give out =/
[19:32] <steve_rox> gay ppl are criminals?
[19:32] <aaa801> steve_rox: assuming you refer to gays as faggots then?
[19:32] <aaa801> Thats not very nice =/
[19:33] <steve_rox> you are refering to them as that
[19:33] <steve_rox> google the word and see what you find
[19:33] <aaa801> Where did i mention gay?
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[19:33] <steve_rox> im not even gonna get into this guys twisted crap
[19:33] <aaa801> What?
[19:33] <Hodapp> aaa801: 'faggot', traditionally, is a derogatory term for a homosexual.
[19:34] <Hodapp> before 5th graders picked it up as a generic insult.
[19:34] <aaa801> who the hell cares
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[19:34] * aaa801 goes on a rampage
[19:34] <Hodapp> Unless a pack of gays literally stole her bike, which leads me to wonder what city you live in.
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[19:34] <aaa801> lol
[19:34] <aaa801> that mental image was quite entertaining tbh
[19:35] <aaa801> anyway, back to building my portable pi
[19:35] <steve_rox> interesting to know how that goes
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[19:35] <steve_rox> brb
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[19:38] <aaa801> it would be going better if i hadnt acidently the 5v to the lcd chip rarther then the regulator
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[19:41] <Hodapp> w00t, my MK802 arrived... yay cheap Android!
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[19:42] <eix> Hodapp: that's why I said that "foul language" is dependant not only on geographical location, but also age. as culture is.
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[19:44] <japro> discussions about foul language on irc always remind me of this: http://bash.org/?178890
[19:44] <AC`97> wut is dis fowl language
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[19:47] <aaa801> I got my touchscreen controller chips today
[19:47] <aaa801> there about 5mm each in a little container, it came in a 10" * 10" box
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[19:47] <aaa801> full of packing foam
[19:47] <aaa801> for something that can fit on your fingertip
[19:49] <s5fs> aaa801: did it arrive safely?
[19:50] <nid0> not uncommon, i've had a nano wifi dongle show up in a half-height version of this before:
[19:50] <nid0> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v625/redrose1/P3040052.jpg
[19:50] <aaa801> s5fs: yes..
[19:50] <s5fs> remember when CDs came in those double-height boxes?
[19:50] <aaa801> i still have some of those
[19:50] <aaa801> they did look better tho,
[19:50] <s5fs> heh
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[19:51] <s5fs> got my first pass of "lightswitch" done over the weekend. node.js on rasppi -> arduino via serial -> toggle an led
[19:52] <s5fs> next i want to replace the led with a real lamp
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[20:01] <jui-feng> japro, thanks for sharing that bash link :D
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[20:03] <eix> japro: did that really happen? :D
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> s5fs, cd's never came in boxes like that in the UK - only the US ...
[20:05] <japro> no idea i think a lot of those quotes are made up
[20:05] <japro> but its funny anyway
[20:05] <s5fs> gordonDrogon: i'll have to trust you on that one
[20:05] <eix> yeah
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[20:09] <gordonDrogon> s5fs, I was in the US in the early 90's (live in the UK) and was really gob-smacked at the CD packaging... Why? never did find out why... totally bonkers.
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[20:10] <TheSeven> what kind of packaging? something dvd jewel case like or even worse?
[20:11] <Hodapp> are we talking about the crazy plastic thingies that stores put the discs in to make them slightly harder to steal?
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[20:12] <s5fs> gordonDrogon: iirc, the tall packaging was to make them easier to see and purchase
[20:12] <s5fs> twice the real estate for album cover art
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[20:13] <Hodapp> eix: I don't recall you ever saying this...
[20:13] <eix> Hodapp: not today. I think it was yesterday or some time before.. not important anyway, not such a big quote or discussion topic :)
[20:13] <s5fs> Hodapp: when CDs first came out, they were in extra-tall cardboard boxes. later when they were just shrink-wrapped they were placed in those tall plastic security boxes
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[20:17] <hotwings> http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users2/kurtz/default/remember-those-old-cd-boxes--large-msg-1085790710-2.jpg
[20:17] <hotwings> all those boxes on the wall... when cds first came out, thats what they were packaged in
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[20:18] <Hodapp> s5fs: ahh, I was too busy repairing cassettes by hand to have had any CDs then
[20:19] <s5fs> Hodapp: same, i grew up poor and treasured my walkman sport
[20:19] <hotwings> i probably still have some of those boxes buried in storage
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[20:20] <hotwings> maybe even a whole unopened case or two
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[20:21] <Hodapp> Oh, you were one of those snotty rich kids who had a Walkman?
[20:22] <ech0s7> hi all
[20:22] <ech0s7> why i haven't uhci_hcd module ?
[20:22] <hotwings> s5fs said he grew up poor, not rich
[20:22] <ech0s7> sudo modprobe uhci_hcd
[20:22] <ech0s7> FATAL: Module uhci_hcd not found.
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[20:22] <hotwings> ech0s7 - not enabled in kernel? not compiled? not where the driver is expected to be?
[20:23] <ech0s7> hotwings: i'm using Raspbian
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[20:24] <hotwings> ech0s7 - ok, but that doesnt really answer any of those questions
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[20:25] <evilbetty> morning
[20:25] <hotwings> ech0s7 - find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name uhci*hcd*
[20:25] <hotwings> good morning evilbetty
[20:26] <evilbetty> i read the news today :p
[20:26] <evilbetty> i received my rpi 5 days too early lol
[20:26] <ech0s7> hotwings: nothing
[20:27] <evilbetty> i had some luck crosscompiling working extra kernel modules :)
[20:27] <hotwings> ech0s7 - check your kernel config for "CONFIG_USB_UHCI_HCD"
[20:28] <hotwings> grep "CONFIG_USB_UHCI_HCD" /path/to/your/kernel/.config
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[20:38] <AC`97> s/repairing/rewinding/ ? XD
[20:38] <AC`97> DOH
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[20:38] <evilbetty> heh
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[20:44] <s5fs> Hodapp: haha, if owning a walkman sport makes me rich, i bow to your poverty ;-)
[20:44] <s5fs> evilbetty: yeah, i got my pi last monday and it's already outdated, too funny
[20:45] <steve_rox> not intirely outdated
[20:45] <steve_rox> software is still made for it etc
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[20:46] <hotwings> s5fs - dont worry.. for perspective, people are still programming demos and composing music on c64
[20:47] <steve_rox> windows8 will probly go obsolete faster than the pi for most
[20:47] <AC`97> s5fs: your "outdated" pi still took the same amount of $$ to make
[20:47] <s5fs> BeOS or gtfo ;-)
[20:47] <AC`97> so you got your money's worth.
[20:47] <Hodapp> s5fs: Haiku is still in development :P
[20:47] <zgreg> wow
[20:47] <s5fs> Hodapp: bah, everyone knows LoseThos is where it's at
[20:47] <zgreg> it's crazy that so many people are complaining (!) about the 512 MB model
[20:48] <AC`97> ^ ??
[20:48] <s5fs> zgreg: i kid, i kid.
[20:48] <steve_rox> i havent herd may complaints
[20:48] <s5fs> i honestly don't care, i do not expect to need much mem anyways
[20:49] <steve_rox> i dont really have a purpose for my pi at the moment so its a compy allways turned off :-P
[20:49] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=20089
[20:49] <zgreg> there are a couple of threads like that
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[20:50] <steve_rox> there will be ppl allways moaning
[20:50] <steve_rox> they assume buy then means best model perfection they can ever get
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[20:52] <plugwash> mmm, I just hope they can come up with a better way of managing memory
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[20:53] <plugwash> the current setup where the memory split is chosen by switching start.elf files is pretty horrible IMO, particually in light of there now being Pis with different ammounts of memory out there
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[20:55] <steve_rox> needs memory split for graphics processing right?
[20:56] <plugwash> The problem is the current setup puts all the arm memory at the bottom of the address space and then the GPU memory starts where the arm memory ends
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[20:56] <plugwash> the trouble with this is you have to replace the start.elf to move that boundary
[20:57] <plugwash> which means it is not currently possible to make an image that does the sensible thing on both 256MB and 512MB Pis
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[20:57] <plugwash> The soloution IMO is to pass multiple blocks of memory to linux
[20:58] <plugwash> so you have a "boot" memory area, then the graphics memory then the rest of the memory for linux
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[21:06] <PhonicUK> so who else has ordered their 512MB Pi?
[21:07] <Leestons> I'll be ordering one once I need a second Pi :)
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[21:08] <Leestons> Feel a little jealous of those who ordered a 256MB and received a 512 though.
[21:08] <Leestons> Must have been a nice surprise for them.
[21:08] <steve_rox> heh
[21:08] <buZz> Leestons: well its not unlocked, its not in the firmware to support it
[21:08] <buZz> soon though :)
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[21:09] <plugwash> mmm, when I got into uni today I picked up a box from stores containing ten 512MB Pis
[21:09] <evilbetty> hmm
[21:09] <evilbetty> is there a way to see what one?
[21:09] <buZz> plugwash: awesome :)
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[21:10] <plugwash> buZz, the new firmware is available from github iirc
[21:10] <evilbetty> anyway i received mine 7 oct or so
[21:10] <buZz> ah nice and fast
[21:10] <buZz> it wasnt yesterday :P
[21:13] <eix> why does WebM look so degraded when playing with omxplayer?
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[21:19] <gordonDrogon> plugwash, so have I got it right that with a 512MB Pi, you need not only a new start.elf, but a kernel compiled to run at a different load address?
[21:19] <plugwash> No, the kernel runs at the bottom of memory
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> ok
[21:19] <plugwash> then the GPU above that
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> so it's jut the start.elf shenanigans that need fixing..
[21:20] <plugwash> the problem with this is it means the start.elf you choose determines how much memory the arm gets
[21:20] <plugwash> whereas usually what you want to specify is how much memory the GPU gets
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[21:20] <Draylor> yeah, theres new firmware files around for the 512s to handle hte new memory splits already
[21:20] <gordonDrogon> yes. that does seem somewhat counter productive...
[21:21] <Draylor> im sure running a firmware for a 512 on a 256 will end well :)
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[21:22] <Hexxeh> plugwash: I've seen mentions of dynamic splits
[21:22] <Hexxeh> ie, dynamic at runtime
[21:22] <PhonicUK> I had a 256MB pi arrive 2 days before the 512 coming out
[21:22] <PhonicUK> twas my 2nd pi
[21:22] <PhonicUK> selling both 256MB pis now to get 2x 512s
[21:23] <plugwash> mmm, even dynamic at load time would be much better than what we have now though
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> couldn't start.elf read config.txt and work out the right thing?
[21:23] <plugwash> and I don't think it would be TOO difficult to do
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[21:23] <plugwash> afaict linux does not need contiguous physical memory
[21:23] <Hexxeh> well
[21:23] <Hexxeh> i can make rpi-update do the right thing for both
[21:23] <Hexxeh> got 512MB units arriving tomorrow for testing
[21:24] <Hodapp> plugwash: it runs on enough very weird architectures, so I suspect you're right
[21:24] <Hexxeh> also, the 512MB parts OC like crazy
[21:24] <plugwash> hell I wonder if it could be done without the foundations cooperation, what would happen if you used one of the old start.elf files
[21:24] <Hexxeh> i've heard a report of someone reaching 750mhz
[21:24] <Hexxeh> on SDRAM
[21:24] <plugwash> and then just modded the linux kernel to assume it could use memory from 256MB to the end of memory
[21:29] <Pulser> ooh nice, Hexxeh
[21:29] <Pulser> I am about to put my raspi into use, so might wait for a 512
[21:29] * eix takes popcorn
[21:29] <Pulser> (radius server powered hopefully by my wifi router)
[21:29] <Pulser> see, I *knew* that USB connection for a "3g modem" would come in handy some day :D
[21:30] <acfrazier> ukscone, lol apparently I won another one
[21:30] <acfrazier> what is this
[21:31] <teh_> whoaw
[21:31] <teh_> the grandmaster Hexxeh
[21:31] <teh_> let me just thank you for everything you're doing for the community
[21:31] <teh_> including, but not limited to, the raspberry pi
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[21:36] <Jungle-Boogie> yes, thank you Hexxeh
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[21:41] <Leestons> Don't you just hate it when you don't have a cable you need? Or a certain component
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[21:42] <[diecast]> no
[21:42] <[diecast]> because then i have another reason to procrastinate
[21:42] <chithead> ..or a new challenge
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[21:43] <oister_> anyone running openelec build for rpi?
[21:45] <oister_> or XBMC
[21:45] <sraue> oister_, in #openelec you find some :-)
[21:45] <oister_> my Q might be rpi related for that build but i'll try in there
[21:47] <chithead> normally it is best to directly ask the question
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[21:48] <tero> hmm, my own raspberry pi relay looks .... well like a bomb :P what do you guys think? :D
[21:48] <tero> http://robi.tv/rpi/rpi-kartica.jpg
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[21:49] <Leestons> It's times like this that I wish I were in an X session, 1 sec tero , just typing it in on my netbook
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[21:50] <Leestons> makes 0 sense to me, but looks awesome.
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[21:52] <gordonDrogon> tero, it's somewhat creative :)
[21:52] <tero> lol
[21:53] <Jungle-Boogie> tero, what aru you going to have it do?
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[21:53] <gordonDrogon> is that just perf board it's made on, or stripboard?
[21:53] <tero> um um
[21:53] <tero> well i have no idea how do you call this in english
[21:53] <AC`97> tero: why didn't you just buy a cheapo ebay relay board?
[21:53] <tero> it has a "million" holes ...
[21:54] <tero> and you have to connect them
[21:54] <AC`97> each hole has its own copper pad/ring
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> perfboard.
[21:54] <AC`97> ?
[21:54] <gordonDrogon> so you can wire under the board as well as on top.
[21:54] <tero> AC`97 well i got all this material at home
[21:54] <tero> and it was a fun thing to do :)
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[21:55] <gordonDrogon> I've started making PCBs for little things now. Expensive though...
[21:55] <gordonDrogon> but it's quite good fun.
[21:56] <s5fs> gordonDrogon: nice, that's what i wanna work up to. right now i know squat about electronics
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> s5fs, I started with this: https://projects.drogon.net/experiments-in-pcb-design-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[21:57] <s5fs> etching my own boards sounds ninja
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> I don't etch my own - that's why it's expensive !!!
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[21:58] <tero> actually this relay card was made for my specific project
[21:58] <tero> allmost is new year
[21:58] <tero> so we need fireworks
[21:58] <tero> :)
[21:58] <tero> I have made a simple igniter
[21:58] <tero> that you can control with raspberry pi
[21:59] <tero> now I have 4 outputs
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> only 4 relays though ... :)
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[21:59] <tero> yes..
[21:59] <tero> half of the gpio pins :)
[21:59] <gordonDrogon> you using 9v igniters?
[21:59] <tero> well hehe
[21:59] <tero> this is actually funny
[21:59] <tero> you can make your own very cheap one
[22:00] <tero> just put a 12V to a 5 ohm resistor, and put a simple match close to it
[22:00] <tero> and it will ignite
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> the last 'cakes' I bought came with electrical igniters fitted...
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> you just touched a 9v battery to them for a few seconds ...
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[22:01] <gordonDrogon> ?100 a minute - ?1.66/second ... for a 5 minute display..
[22:02] <gordonDrogon> good fun though.
[22:03] <Leestons> I haven't bought fireworks in aaaages, really should this year.
[22:03] <gordonDrogon> I think I'd have some sort or interlock fitted so the relays can't fire if the Pi is rebooted, etc.
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[22:05] <steve_rox> i dont think anyone plays with fireworks these days , its all lazors now
[22:05] <steve_rox> they last longer too ;-)
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[22:06] <gordonDrogon> lasers (s not z!) are boring. no bangs.
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> http://www.sandlingfireworks.co.uk/video/op%20fired/malta%20cracker%20shell%201.html
[22:06] <steve_rox> lazoooorrrz
[22:07] <steve_rox> is it nessery to have bangs?
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> Light Amplification (by the) Simulated Emission of Radiation - L.A.S.E.R.
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> YES.
[22:07] <steve_rox> probly explains all the loud deafining bad music they play at lazors shows
[22:07] * gordonDrogon mutters.
[22:07] <steve_rox> :-)
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[22:11] <Leestons> It would just be boring without a bang.
[22:11] <Leestons> Okay, not boring. But not as good!
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[22:18] <diverdude> i dont understand why it must be so hard to get your hands on a raspberry pi
[22:18] <diverdude> is there only 1 person making cards for the whole world?
[22:18] <diverdude> sitting in his homelab
[22:19] <IT_Sean> It really isn't that hard these days. You order it, and wait a little bit, and it arrives.
[22:19] <diverdude> wait 6 weeks
[22:19] <IT_Sean> The lead time is nowhere near as long as it was shortly afrer release.
[22:19] <diverdude> i have to wait 6 weeks...thats quite long time i think
[22:19] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[22:20] <IT_Sean> People were waiting a LOT longer not too long ago.
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> it probably depends on the country.
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[22:20] <diverdude> IT_Sean: why eye rolling?
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> Farnell in the UK are saying 3 weeks ...
[22:21] <[diecast]> they just released the new one today and most places are in stock
[22:21] <gordonDrogon> but I suspect it's going to be next day or the day after..
[22:21] <diverdude> [diecast]: Raspberry Pi Model B 512MB RAM ?
[22:21] <JamesHarrison> I've ordered two Pis in the last two days, before and after the announcement, expecting I'll probably get two 512MBs
[22:22] <JamesHarrison> but frankly not that fussed at all, I'd like a revision 2 but extra RAM is not an issue for me
[22:22] <des2> Liz said that anyone who ordered and hasn't received yet will be getting 512.
[22:22] <[diecast]> diverdude: correct
[22:23] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: Farnell have been saying 3 weeks for a few months now, but seem to always ship within 1 week.
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[22:23] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Farnell stil lsays: Country of Origin: CN China
[22:23] <ln-> will model A be manufactured at all?
[22:24] <des2> I can't wait for the first 256MB pi for $30 on ebay...
[22:24] <des2> In- sometime before the end of the year the model A will be released.
[22:24] <des2> THe Model A will have 256 MB.
[22:24] <gordonDrogon> des2, arethey still selling on ebay?
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> wonder if Farnell ships faster to a business or individual - and why they care...
[22:25] <des2> There's some being auctioned by people on ebay for > $35.
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> they seem to think that businesses have VAT numbers too - this isn't always the case...
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> des2, I know there were some in the early days for silly money - I bought one, but surprised people are still selling them there...
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[22:26] <ln-> des2: does anyone actually want model A? ... i wouldn't be surprised if it never actually goes into production.
[22:26] <des2> Before the 256/512 memort split I would have said lots of people would prefer the A, now I'm not so sure.
[22:27] <plugwash> IIRC there were some legal issues shipping to end users from their buisness sites in some parts of europe
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[22:27] <gordonDrogon> I'm in the UK - there are no such resictions.
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[22:27] <plugwash> I dunno why they are pushing UK consumers to the awful Pi specific site though, especially given that they certainly sell them other stuff through their regular website
[22:27] <plugwash> probablly incompetance in their web team
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> there are differences in the distance selling regs, but that's about it.
[22:28] <linuxstb> plugwash: Or possibly to prevent Pi buyers bringing down their main site.
[22:28] <plugwash> heh
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> Ah yes. if I select 'consumer' I get their 'export' site, if I select business, I get their main site,
[22:29] <des2> Considering what happened to their websites when the PI was originally released I think linuxstb has a good theory.
[22:30] <gordonDrogon> the main site has vat exclusive prices, their export site vat inclusive.
[22:30] <diverdude> 2 new raspberris ordered
[22:30] <diverdude> 512 MB
[22:30] * plugwash is pretty sure he jumped the queue with his first Pi by ordering it from farnells regular site through a non-obvious route
[22:30] <plugwash> when people coming in the obvious way were being forced to register for interest
[22:30] <diverdude> farnell has shorter wait time than RS
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[22:30] <eix> plugwash: through the export site?
[22:31] <des2> farnell is making 30,000/month in the Uk so they don'thave to wait for a slow boat from China.
[22:31] <OpenSys> anyone with a mpl115a2 sensor ?
[22:31] <plugwash> no through their regular site, I found that by going through google shopping it was possible to get straight to the product page
[22:31] * eix away
[22:31] <plugwash> bypassing their search hijacking
[22:31] <eix> plugwash: ah, cool
[22:31] <OpenSys> this sensor drops me the sda voltage to 0.8v
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[22:31] <eix> but you could also have put the product number on the export site frontpage (quick buy iirc)
[22:31] <plugwash> and their computer took the order and a month or so later they shipped it
[22:32] <plugwash> which i'm pretty sure is quicker than what people who registered for interest were getting
[22:32] * linuxstb sees his RS Pi ordered on 16 July is due to be shipped during the week of 19-25 November
[22:32] <eix> cool
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[22:32] <eix> linuxstb: I already got mine ordered in august from farnell, and it arrived in september after roughly 1 month
[22:33] <linuxstb> I ordered two from Farnell during August/September, and both arrived in about 5 days. (in the UK)
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> so do I get a 4th Pi - with 512MB or just not bother...
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> Hmph. I find this quite annoying )-:
[22:34] <linuxstb> gordonDrogon: That's my dilemma. Fortunately RS are slow...
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> I suppose what I want is a Rev 2 board just to double-check wiringPi on a Rev 2 board.
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> the memory really is neither here nor there for me right now.
[22:34] * linuxstb hopes more RAM will unlock more capabilities in the GPU, such as transcoding
[22:34] <des2> sell one of the 256 MB to a friend for $30 and get a 512....
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> could do - I have one of the original batch ...
[22:35] <nid0> ditto
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> wonder if they'll ever be worth any more :)
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[22:35] <nid0> my first one has its ce mark as a sticker on the bottom
[22:35] <plugwash> hmm, I think the first Pi I received was somewhat later than the first batch
[22:35] <des2> It's not like they have serial #'s do they ? PI #1 now on ebay, $10,000 !
[22:36] <plugwash> even though I bought it off a user on the forum (while the aforementioned order from farnell was outstanding)
[22:36] <plugwash> AIUI they do have a unique ID but I dunno if it was allocated sequentially
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> mine doesn't have a ce mark at all.
[22:37] * plugwash goes and takes a look at the Pi he bought off veryevil
[22:38] <plugwash> and notices it does indeed have a CE mark
[22:38] <dragon> plugwash: how much was it?
[22:39] <plugwash> I paid him ??40
[22:39] <plugwash> which is ??10 above face value but was considerablly below the ebay price at the time
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> I paid slighlty more than that off evilbay...
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> but hey...
[22:40] <plugwash> iirc at the time I bought it ebay prices were generally arround ??70 or so
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[22:40] <gordonDrogon> I paid just over ?100 for my first one.
[22:40] <plugwash> maybe even more than that
[22:40] <plugwash> mmm, Pis selling for pandaboard prices
[22:41] <gordonDrogon> my 3 pi's are very different.
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[22:42] <plugwash> basically he offered to lend it me to develop raspbian and I said rather than have the hassle of me posting it back when I eventually got my own why don' I just buy it
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> The first one has no CE markings at all, the other 2 have, but in different places - one was RS the other Farnell.
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[22:42] <gordonDrogon> My original one was via RS, but it was from the first batch that the foundation had made.
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[22:43] <dcm1977> gordonDrogon, thanks for the help earlier - surprisingly easy to get the distance sensor working with python!
[22:43] * plugwash has either purchased or been involved with the purcahse of 18 Pis now
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[22:43] <Hydrazine> o.0
[22:43] <des2> 18 !
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[22:44] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, it's fast enough?
[22:44] <plugwash> the first one I ordered was through the uni, nominally for the electronics club but it didn't actually arrive until after the semester ended
[22:45] <plugwash> the second one I ordered was the one I bought personally through the loophole on farnells site, iirc that arrived some time after the one bought for electronics club at uni
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[22:45] <plugwash> the third one I ordered (and the first one I got) was the one I mentioned above from veryevil, all of those were first revision farnell Pis
[22:46] <plugwash> then a few weeks ago I bought 5 for electronics club at uni and got rev1 boards with zero ohm links
[22:46] <plugwash> and most recently I ordered another 10 for electronics club at uni and got 10 512MB rev2 boards
[22:47] <Hydrazine> nice
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[22:50] <dcm1977> gordonDrogon, well the values that it is producing seem as accurate as on the arduino - i.e. not perfect but good enough to tell a robot there is a wall approaching!
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[22:50] <des2> Do walls really move ?
[22:51] <dcm1977> well
[22:51] <dcm1977> sometimes and it is good to know when that happens
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[23:03] <gordonDrogon> dcm1977, good-oh!
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> does anyone here use Mike McCauleys bcmGpio library?
[23:04] <dcm1977> can't argue for ??1.50!
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> I'm guessing not :)
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[23:14] <OpenSys> anyone with a mpl115a2 sensor ?
[23:17] <zgreg> http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/11iq91/more_ram_not_at_the_moment_no/
[23:17] <zgreg> heh
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[23:23] <des2> Do these people also get upset when something they buy goes onsale for a lower price the next week ?
[23:24] <ReggieUK> unfortunately, when there is no information, someone, somewhere will make stuff up
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[23:24] <ReggieUK> and some people will just rage before they get any information
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[23:27] <ReggieUK> I guess what they would rather happen is that the foundation gets it's 256MB ram cheaper than the 512MB and trousers the difference?
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[23:27] <BillyBag2> Hi
[23:28] <BillyBag2> Which IPC message queue API should I look at for RPi C development?
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[23:31] <BillyBag2> Hello?
[23:32] <des2> Hello
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[23:32] <des2> What are you doing programatically ?
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> BillyBag2, what are you trying to do?
[23:33] <BillyBag2> Hi des, i wanted to start a proccess that would remain running and other thigs would talk to it. I think I want to use a message Q.
[23:34] <BillyBag2> I would like to send a fixed sized C structure periodically.
[23:35] <des2> So this would be a program that runs in the background ?
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[23:35] <linuxstb> What are the other things which would talk to it?
[23:35] <des2> Or one running under X windows ?
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[23:36] <BillyBag2> Yep. Background proccess. (probably should be a demon but i'll run in a console)
[23:36] <BillyBag2> Then I would like web server to send it messages. I think I know how to do that using ss scripts.
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[23:38] <BillyBag2> But slightly confused which meg Q APIs are best to use under C on RPi.
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> just use a socket.
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[23:39] <gordonDrogon> then it becomes "network aware" automatically - if that matters.
[23:40] * linuxstb was thinking the same thing
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/12/c-socket-programming/
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> first sensible link from google.
[23:40] <rikkib> There are plenty of sites with code to set up a daemon. I do this for the app I wrote to deal with a push button
[23:41] <BillyBag2> Is there an easy way to server up data in a simple http protacol through a socket? Do i just add the header or is there a lib?
[23:41] <rikkib> There is a skeleton in /etc/init.d to run at startup
[23:41] <sundancer> BillyBag2 consider using python
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> there may be a lib, but essentially web servers use a socket mechanism ...
[23:42] <sundancer> BillyBag2 if you stick with C then read Unix network programming by Richard W. Stevens
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[23:43] <gordonDrogon> yea, there are lots of books/tutorials on it without overloading with e.g. a front-end web server...
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[23:43] <Orii> hello
[23:45] <BillyBag2> I've done sockets in C. I will try those and see how I get on. I wanted to send a C structure so a socket may get out of sync compared to a msg.
[23:45] <Orii> great hearing that the PIs now have 500 mbs.
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[23:45] <BillyBag2> Wanted to avoid JSON like solutions.
[23:45] <Orii> im guessing there is no discount if i wanted to say trade in my 250 mb one for a 500 mb?
[23:46] <linuxstb> Orii: Correct
[23:46] <sundancer> BillyBag2 you should really consider writing in python :)
[23:46] <Peetz0r> it's 256 and 512,not 250and 500
[23:46] <plugwash> though you could always try your hand at selling the 256MB one on ebay
[23:46] <plugwash> dunno how much they will be selling for now though
[23:47] <Peetz0r> It doesn't hurt to have 2, right?
[23:47] <Orii> linuxstb: upsetting though oh well..
[23:47] <Orii> true but money is tight and i have been having a hard time dealing with the little amount of ram
[23:47] <BillyBag2> I can write C in my sleep();
[23:48] <Orii> i wish i could known this would have happened XD
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> BillyBag2, you can just write(socketFd, structure, sizeof(structure)); if you like...
[23:48] <sundancer> BillyBag2 C is no problem but threading, blocking and event driven coding is if you want reliability :)
[23:49] <sundancer> and async
[23:49] <Peetz0r> There's nothing wrong with 256mb ram. I've used a desktop with 256mb ram until 2007
[23:49] <des2> Don't forget that the PI shares memory with the GPU
[23:49] <Orii> Peetz0r: i can do it but it was a pain at first
[23:49] * ReggieUK hands Orii a pint of hindsight
[23:49] <Orii> yeah
[23:49] <des2> so it isn't a perfect comparison.
[23:49] <Orii> ReggieUK: thanks
[23:50] <Peetz0r> des2: yea, but that desktop had only 32mb graphics memory anyway, so it's not that different
[23:50] <sundancer> im using my rpi headless so how can i use GPU memory share?
[23:50] <Peetz0r> also, the Pi has much more powerful graphics than that computer anyway
[23:50] <Orii> hey im trying to run a kiosk browser distro using openbox as the window manager. what would be a good balance for the ram?
[23:50] <des2> The problem with doing a write( structure ) is that it isn't compatible between machines of different endiness.
[23:51] <plugwash> or different structure packing
[23:51] <sundancer> Peetz0r if PI is so much better than PC then why are PCs using separate CPU for graphics, sound, IO ... ?
[23:52] <sundancer> im saying beacuse rpi perfomance reminds me of 486 with 8mb ram and running windows 95
[23:52] <sundancer> its all about patience of user sitting behind keyboard
[23:53] <des2> Well the PIs cpu is about a 300 MHz Pentium 2
[23:53] <sundancer> and i have had enough of waiting in 1995
[23:53] <Peetz0r> sundancer: I never said that :p
[23:53] <BillyBag2> I only need IPC...
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[23:53] <Peetz0r> the cpu kinde sucks, but the gpu is relatively powerful
[23:53] <plugwash> the Pi as a desktop is hit with a quadruple-whammy of no acceleration in X, slow CPU, shortage of ram and slow mass storage
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> des2, plugwash same PC by the sounds of it, so stuff like that shouldn't be an issue...
[23:53] <Peetz0r> also, it's much more energy-efficient than any of your oldpc's
[23:54] <des2> and a lot quiteter.
[23:54] <sundancer> Peetz0r so is my N95 phone :)
[23:54] <linuxstb> plugwash: X acceleration is on its way though.
[23:54] <ReggieUK> is it?
[23:54] <Peetz0r> yes, the Pi is comparable to some midrange smartphones
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> looks like someone has SDL2 acceleration going - of sorts..
[23:54] <BillyBag2> You can't put an old PC inside a bigtrak and trive it round the living room.
[23:55] <BillyBag2> (drive)
[23:55] <Peetz0r> but it lacks a touchscreen and battery and stuff
[23:55] <linuxstb> Liz said in a forum post today (I think) that "engineer time as been assigned", or words to that effect.
[23:55] <sundancer> im not arguing the size of rpi vs. oldpc :)
[23:55] <linuxstb> ^has been assigned
[23:55] <ReggieUK> linuxstb, that's encouraging news :)
[23:55] <des2> Acceleration will come eventually
[23:55] <linuxstb> From Liz's post, it sounds like it will be quite soon.
[23:55] <ReggieUK> I wonder if they're thinking of ditching the usb IP in a future version?
[23:56] * linuxstb has never even tried X on his Pis
[23:56] <des2> heh
[23:56] * WillemTheMarxist is now known as GentileBen
[23:56] <Orii> linuxstb: it is magical
[23:56] <ReggieUK> it's not
[23:56] <des2> It's magically slowlicious.
[23:56] <Orii> it acutally runs stumpwm pretty well
[23:56] <sundancer> anyway regarding shared memory between GPU and CPU .. im using rpi without screen (SSH access) so is there a way to minimize memory for GPU and assign it to CPU ?
[23:57] <des2> Yes sundancer.
[23:57] <ReggieUK> than again, most people didn't buy a pi for it's X functionality
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> zed time ... laters!
[23:57] <des2> In your config you can control the split.
[23:57] <des2> And get the GPU down to 16 MB
[23:57] <ReggieUK> g'night gordonDrogon
[23:57] <des2> (not sure if anyone has done any work below 16MB)
[23:57] <sundancer> des2 thanx

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