#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2012-10-16

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[0:00] <BillyBag2> I had crashing in turbo mode on a different Pi. Is it that Pi or should tubo work on 99% of Pis, with correct PSU?
[0:02] <des2> It's Pi dependent.
[0:02] <des2> Switch power supplies and see if it makes a difference.
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[0:03] <des2> Kind of like Intel making one cpu version but testing them and selling them based on the speed they will do.
[0:03] <BillyBag2> I think it was a good supply but a cheap cable. Some reports that changing the cable will help. I just tuned of tubo. Was not running X ;)
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[0:07] <midnightyell> distcc is giving me a headache
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[0:07] <BillyBag2> Can you add a cap to the Pi to fix it? Is it the low voltage rails taking a dive? Would the VReg upgrade to DCDC conv mod help?
[0:09] <des2> Sujre you can add caps.
[0:09] <des2> Do you have the Pi with USB polyfuses or without ?
[0:10] <BillyBag2> Its an unmoded rev 1. Polyfuses still fitted and not shorted.
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[0:12] <Dan39> any news on the problem with 1 download connection only getting 1.1 mB/s?
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[0:14] <BillyBag2> I'm running a power hungry nano WIFI dongle directly connected too. It keeps the room nice and warm. Theres a few things I can fiddle with, thanks.
[0:14] <des2> Well on the early model 1's the polyfuses limit the USB ports to about 140mA.
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[0:52] <Mehhh> Are same gender mini / micro / full HDMI connectors / molex' solder points interchangeable?
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[0:57] <des2> No ?
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[0:59] <Mehhh> Is that a question?
[0:59] <asaru> what are you trying to do Mehhh?
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[1:00] <Mehhh> Well, originally i was looking for a small adapter(s) that doesn't exist, and the less friendly adapter only exists in China
[1:01] <Mehhh> so, I was going to simply solder a different connector on
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[1:01] <Mehhh> Mini USB to Micro USB, and Mini HDMI to Micro HDMI
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[1:01] <SpeedEvil> not that sipke
[1:01] <SpeedEvil> Siple
[1:01] <Mehhh> simple*
[1:02] <SpeedEvil> Siple is a word? wtf android. wtf.
[1:02] <Mehhh> Ok, so the points for soldering are different sizes, correct? I was under the impression that at least for the USB they were similar
[1:02] <Mehhh> lol
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[1:02] <SpeedEvil> the same dictionary does not have 'milk'
[1:02] <Mehhh> 4.x.x ?
[1:02] <SpeedEvil> yes
[1:02] <Mehhh> rofl
[1:02] <SpeedEvil> nexus 7
[1:02] <plugwash> pretty sure micro usb and mini usb are close enough that you could probablly bodge one on
[1:03] <plugwash> no idea for hdmi
[1:03] <Mehhh> That was my understanding, but I A.) Didn't know the best place to buy the bare connector (molex?) or if i could adapt from a cable / strip the plastic off
[1:04] <asaru> there are not adapter cables available?
[1:04] <Mehhh> lol, sadly not
[1:04] <asaru> like male mini usb -> female micro usb
[1:04] <Mehhh> not with a right angle, no
[1:04] <asaru> you'd think that'd be something that exists
[1:04] <Mehhh> i am dealing with an extremely limited space
[1:04] <asaru> oh you want one with a right angle
[1:04] <asaru> make one?
[1:05] <asaru> get something with a female micro usb and something else with a male right angle mini usb and splice them?
[1:05] <Mehhh> Do any companies exist that do custom end cables
[1:05] <Mehhh> so for example, pick connector A of any USB type
[1:05] <Mehhh> then pick connector b of any usb type
[1:05] <Mehhh> modular cabling ?
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[1:05] <asaru> that would be nice
[1:06] <Mehhh> if i soldered a micro female, i wouldn't need a cable at all
[1:06] <Mehhh> in my application
[1:06] <asaru> you mean solder the wire directly to the pi?
[1:06] <Mehhh> no
[1:06] <Mehhh> my display uses micro male
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[1:07] <Mehhh> and the less wires the better in such a small area
[1:09] <asaru> makes sense
[1:09] <asaru> well i'd imagine the display cant plug directly into the pi, there has to be a wire involved
[1:09] <Mehhh> I also could dremel out an area, if i could find a Micro-female to Mini-male
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[1:10] <SpeedEvil> do not assume you can dremel multilayer boards
[1:10] <Mehhh> not boards
[1:10] <Mehhh> plastic
[1:10] <asaru> he's talking about his case
[1:10] <des2> This will end badly
[1:10] <ReggieUK> awwww, I thought we'd get a shoe on head video to go with the dremeling
[1:10] <Mehhh> Not really
[1:10] <Mehhh> my dremel work is amazing
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[1:11] <SpeedEvil> ah
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[1:13] <Mehhh> oh perfect, perhaps someone knows an alternative name for the "JHMDI" connector that is on certain main/motherboards
[1:13] <Mehhh> Google isn't showing me anything for industrial or embedded purchasing options
[1:13] <Reedy> JHDMI presumably?
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[1:15] <CelticTurnip> hi all
[1:16] <des2> there are 5 hdmi connector types a, b, c, d, e
[1:17] <des2> is there an online pic of the type you are referring to ?
[1:18] <des2> Hi bulbous taproot
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[1:19] <CelticTurnip> :)
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[1:19] <Mehhh> i think d and a
[1:19] <Mehhh> errr
[1:19] <Mehhh> hold
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[1:20] <Mehhh> ok
[1:20] <Mehhh> I need
[1:21] <Mehhh> female type D to male type c
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[1:21] <Mehhh> optimally
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[1:22] <aaa801> Anyone got the new frequency for bbc 3 on sattelite?
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[1:23] <Mehhh> des2, bet u can't find that ;)
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[1:24] <des2> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-HDMI-Male-Plug-to-Mini-HDMI-Female-Type-D-to-Type-C-Connector-Adapter-/280764680251
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[1:24] <Mehhh> backwards
[1:24] <des2> heh oops.
[1:24] <Mehhh> ;)
[1:24] <Mehhh> It's ok, i'm use to it as it doesn't exist
[1:24] <Mehhh> in the us
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[1:25] <Mehhh> I wish they had mini adapters, for instance a micro usb that fit inside of a full sized port
[1:26] <des2> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-HDMI-C-Male-to-HDMI-D-Female-Hdmi-C-male-connect-D-female/711871_584610182.html
[1:29] <Mehhh> China. :<
[1:29] <Mehhh> That is correct though
[1:29] <Mehhh> or something to use the JHDMI directly
[1:29] <Mehhh> http://www.element14.com/community/servlet/JiveServlet/showImage/38-9293-96864/JHDMI2.jpg
[1:33] <Syliss> why mini to mircro?
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[1:34] <CelticTurnip> dunno if there are any Australian's here, but if there are element14 Australia have the new model B in stock, I just ordered... expected delivery tomorrow
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[1:34] <Mehhh> regular is too big for the case
[1:34] <Mehhh> and micro because lap-dock
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[1:34] <Syliss> ah i have the lap dock as well
[1:34] <Mehhh> http://www.element14.com/community/groups/raspberry-pi/blog/2012/09/27/raspberry-pi-lapdock-hdmi-cable-work-around
[1:35] <s5fs> yeah the atrix lapdock is cool
[1:35] <Mehhh> the box is going where the dock is
[1:35] <Syliss> ah
[1:35] <Syliss> cool
[1:35] <Mehhh> that area where the surround goes down? dremel'd it
[1:35] <Syliss> i want to do that with the mk/ug-803
[1:35] <Syliss> 802*
[1:35] <Mehhh> i have one of those as well
[1:36] <Mehhh> so the idea is to use the stock setup for that, and raspi for the addon box
[1:36] <Syliss> i want one to use with the lap dock badly
[1:36] <Mehhh> both using mini
[1:36] <Mehhh> shoot me your email in PM, i'll link you to the writeup when i'm done
[1:36] <Mehhh> or AIM
[1:36] <Syliss> lol aim
[1:36] <Mehhh> :<
[1:36] <Syliss> I'm in here way too much so ill probably be here
[1:37] <Mehhh> awesome
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[1:37] <Mehhh> wasn't sure
[1:37] <Syliss> i also posted on this http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=6747
[1:38] <Syliss> was the first person to find out that this works with the pi http://dx.com/p/micro-usb-female-to-micro-male-female-adapter-cable-for-blackberry-9900-black-30cm-107901?item=6
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[1:38] <Mehhh> oh, the 5pin
[1:38] <Mehhh> yeh
[1:39] <Syliss> well it has one end is power only the other is both data and power
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[1:40] <Mehhh> If only they had the adapters i need in the USA ;)
[1:40] <Syliss> do you have the the mk or ug
[1:40] <Syliss> yeah i had to wait for them
[1:40] <Mehhh> the former
[1:40] <Mehhh> the ug doesn't offer linux
[1:40] <Mehhh> so
[1:40] <Mehhh> not an option
[1:40] <Syliss> what?
[1:41] <Mehhh> the rockchip series
[1:41] <Mehhh> of SoC's
[1:41] <Mehhh> does not offer linux
[1:41] <Mehhh> so it is useless to me
[1:41] <Syliss> hmm sucky
[1:41] <Syliss> well good to know
[1:41] <Mehhh> I was hoping they'd go with the dual core A13/A15 Allwinner
[1:43] <Syliss> now ill just save up for a mk then
[1:43] <Mehhh> So yeh, it was either a box, or run the Pi in a transparent half cat toy (the big balls)
[1:43] <Mehhh> on the lid
[1:44] <Syliss> i have mine in a clear playing card case
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[1:44] <Syliss> fits perfectly minus the hdmi adapter
[1:45] <Mehhh> nice, like a poker deck?
[1:45] <Syliss> yep
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[1:45] <Syliss> i got it for 60 cents at michaels arts and crafts (wife works there)
[1:45] <Mehhh> "<Syliss> i have mine in a clear playing card case" exactly why i'm looking for micro female to mini male
[1:46] <Syliss> then i found one in a box of crap a few weeks ago
[1:46] <Syliss> so i have 2
[1:46] <Mehhh> Nice, i'll have to check it out... they give 40% off coupons in the paper
[1:46] <Syliss> mini male won't work in the pi
[1:46] <Syliss> and if you have a smartphone the app has coupons as well
[1:46] <Mehhh> i know, but a female connector is the smallest
[1:46] <Mehhh> for my box
[1:46] <Mehhh> female mini
[1:46] <Mehhh> in terms of how it fits
[1:47] <Mehhh> because they make a right angle the bends upward
[1:47] <Mehhh> so it uses the space in a better way
[1:47] <Syliss> hmm
[1:47] <Mehhh> for my application
[1:47] <Syliss> i want the model a for size, but now that the b will have 512mb ram i may try to get another one
[1:47] <Mehhh> Plus, the MK uses it as well, so double win for me
[1:48] <Syliss> at least the mk is smaller and would fit better in the dock area if you hollow it out
[1:48] <Mehhh> Lucky for you, RasPi prices are better than the stock market
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[1:49] <Syliss> mk prices are going down too, which is nice
[1:50] <Mehhh> yes, 39.99 shipped from china for one with tons of adapters, a usb hub thing, and usb soundcard w/3.5 out
[1:50] <des2> Isn't the A the same size as B except for the single USB and no ethernet ?
[1:51] <Syliss> ye
[1:51] <Syliss> a
[1:52] <Syliss> which helps in thickness
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[1:52] <CelticTurnip> I'd like a Raspberry Pi / OpenBSD ;)
[1:53] <buZz> Mehhh: 40 usd for a lapdock?
[1:53] <Mehhh> no
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[1:53] <Mehhh> 50
[1:53] <Mehhh> 40 for the mk
[1:53] <Syliss> the price fluxes for the lapdock
[1:53] <Mehhh> yes
[1:53] <simula> awesome, some benchmarkers think the pi is about as fast as a Pentium 3 900Mhz
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[1:54] <simula> the pi at 700 MHz that is
[1:54] <Datalink> RISC is both faster and slower, depends on the operation
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[1:54] <home> what about being a balller?
[1:54] <Datalink> multiplication is traditionally slower, while most operations are 1 op
[1:55] <Datalink> vs 2 for CISC systems like Intel based
[1:55] <buZz> intel is risc nowadays ;)
[1:55] <buZz> since pentium pro
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[1:56] <simula> hah, the 512MB brings the pi up to the min reqs for Blender
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[1:57] <des2> lol
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[1:57] <des2> They need to raise their requirements then.
[1:58] <Opinie> has anyone gotten skype to work in any sense of the word? via pidgin for example?
[1:58] <simula> naw, some software has been getting more efficient as the hardware has gotten faster
[1:58] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqH54GyRdys
[1:58] <des2> skype on Pi
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[1:58] <Datalink> Skype4Pidgin is a hook for the Skype API not an interface between Pidgin and Skype's network
[1:59] <Datalink> last I checked at least
[1:59] <Mehhh> RasPi should just include a little bay for additional RAM, much like the old diamond cards had
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[1:59] <Mehhh> S3 or trident maybe?
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[2:00] <Datalink> Mehhh, the CPU's RAM pins are on the wrong side
[2:00] <Mehhh> Mehhh
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[2:02] <simula> the cost of sdcards has really dropped
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[2:04] <Opinie> des2: so what he is in essence doing is running a python script?
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[2:06] <des2> Well he got the binary arm version of skypekit.
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[2:06] <steve_rox> wonder if they will port a copy of skype to the pi , probly not cos they are stubbon
[2:07] <Leestons> Probably not, would be great if they did.
[2:07] <steve_rox> yeah
[2:07] <des2> Microsoft owns skype.
[2:07] <Leestons> Well, that's the end of that matter then.
[2:07] <des2> Until they finish the windows Pi poer, don't see that happening.
[2:08] <des2> port
[2:08] <buZz> steve_rox: just run an android port, and run the android version ;)
[2:08] <NucWin> just use mumble and a server
[2:08] <NucWin> it has ptt
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[2:09] <steve_rox> i have mumble server on my pi at moment , no one to test it tho
[2:09] <des2> http://elinux.org/RPi_Using_Skypekit
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[2:14] * simula is still surprised skype still works on non-ms platforms
[2:15] <Mehhh> only because the NSA paid them to
[2:15] <simula> heh
[2:15] <Mehhh> http://www.businessinsider.com/skype-accused-of-helping-government-spy-on-people-2012-7
[2:15] <Mehhh> Typical MITM attack
[2:16] <simula> yeps
[2:17] <steve_rox> i was wondering about ms spying on us when they issue a new patient to spy on skype users
[2:18] <steve_rox> so the gov agencys etc have to go thu them in whatever they make to spy on us
[2:18] <steve_rox> is nothing safe anymore
[2:18] <Mehhh> AIM, OTR ;)
[2:18] <Mehhh> with PGP
[2:18] <ReggieUK> has anythign ever been safe?
[2:19] <steve_rox> hmmmz
[2:20] <steve_rox> wont be long untill they start logging DNA at birth
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[2:21] <home> 512MN
[2:22] <home> MB
[2:22] <home> 512MB NICE
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[2:26] <simula> totally :)
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[2:27] <SpeedEvil> http://m.cbsnews.com/m/8301-204_162-57526029/rapid-gene-mapping-test-may-diagnose-disease-in-newborns/ steve_rox
[2:29] <simula> if price drops in sequencing continue, it will be down to $100/genome in 5 years - so awesome
[2:29] <steve_rox> yeah with dna mapping in databases im sure the pigcops are gonna say hey lets use that
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[2:31] <Mehhh> Does anyone have an hdmi adapter of any kind they want to sac for science?
[2:32] <Mehhh> since #electronics doesn't know
[2:32] <des2> Sacrifice ?
[2:32] <des2> Does this involve explosions ?
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[2:33] <Mehhh> possibly
[2:33] <SpeedEvil> adaptor?
[2:33] <Mehhh> i mean, some of those plastic surrounds are hard
[2:33] <Mehhh> i need someone to cut or dremel or rip through an hdmi adapter of any kind
[2:33] <Mehhh> and tell me how it is connected
[2:34] <Mehhh> not a cable, an adapter
[2:34] <Mehhh> or coupler
[2:34] <SpeedEvil> what sport of adaptor
[2:34] <Mehhh> HDMI of any sort
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[2:35] <SpeedEvil> why?
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[2:35] <Datalink> Mehhh, just trying to figure out how they mount to PCBs or are you actually after something specific?
[2:36] <Mehhh> Yeh, but it's not in the USA
[2:36] <Mehhh> so it's easier just to DIY
[2:36] <SpeedEvil> what are you hoping to achieve, why
[2:36] <Datalink> Mehhh, uh... I thought europe considers HDMI the mini-scart
[2:37] <Mehhh> i need to do this
[2:37] <Mehhh> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Free-shipping-HDMI-C-Male-to-HDMI-D-Female-Hdmi-C-male-connect-D-female/711871_584610182.html
[2:37] <Datalink> ah you have a mini to regular HDMI cable?
[2:37] <Mehhh> but it may take less time and be cheaper just to buy the two sections and solder
[2:38] <Mehhh> no, i need
[2:38] <Mehhh> micro female to mini male
[2:38] <SpeedEvil> just buy it
[2:38] <Mehhh> i can make it before 3 weeks rolls around
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[2:38] <SpeedEvil> so find somewhere that ships faster
[2:38] <Mehhh> Doesn't exist
[2:39] <Datalink> Mehhh, what country are you in?
[2:39] <Mehhh> USA
[2:39] <SpeedEvil> Mehhh: then use a combination of cables. also, eBay
[2:39] <Datalink> .... there are THOUSANDS of companies that'll ship faster than 3 weeks for that part, Radio Shack even has the thing
[2:39] <Mehhh> Radioshack doesn't have that
[2:39] <Mehhh> i promise you
[2:40] <Datalink> I've held it
[2:40] <Mehhh> If you can find that part in the USA, you have the greatest google-foo imaginable
[2:40] <Syliss> where in usa are you Datalink
[2:40] <GabrialDestruir> I still think the Pi needs a GB of ram >.>
[2:40] <Mehhh> no, you felt a micro to full
[2:40] <Datalink> Syliss, rural Wisconsin
[2:40] <GabrialDestruir> Minecraft here I come!
[2:40] <Mehhh> not a micro to mini
[2:41] <SpeedEvil> so a micro to full, a mini to full, and plug em
[2:41] <SpeedEvil> job done
[2:41] <Mehhh> can't
[2:41] <Mehhh> no space
[2:41] <Mehhh> which brings us around to my original point
[2:41] <des2> The are 5 different types of HDMI connectors and male + female versions that gives about 10 x 10 = 100 adapter combos.
[2:41] <Mehhh> exactly
[2:42] <SpeedEvil> why are you space looted?
[2:42] <Mehhh> case
[2:42] <SpeedEvil> limited
[2:42] * TheSeven calls this a success: http://imgur.com/a/BmA4i#0 :)
[2:43] <GabrialDestruir> wtf is that?
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[2:43] <__machine> anyone know how hot rpi runs with something like xmbl/openelec?
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[2:44] <GabrialDestruir> Looks like a one way trip to fried pi build.... heh
[2:44] <TheSeven> GabrialDestruir: low input voltage support circuitry + max232 serial level shifter
[2:44] <chithead> the rpi does not run very hot unless overvolted
[2:44] <sraue> __machine, here under 60C even if overclocked
[2:45] <GabrialDestruir> I'll grap the temp off mine right now.
[2:45] <Syliss> TheSeven: genesis controller adapter?
[2:45] <Datalink> http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0471510001_IO_CONNECTORS.xml Molex has a sample program then
[2:45] <TheSeven> GabrialDestruir: makes my rpi run off a single li-ion cell and gives it its well-deserved serial port :)
[2:45] <__machine> sraue: is that fanless?
[2:45] <GabrialDestruir> according to openelec apparently my temp is ?
[2:46] <sraue> __machine, fan and caseless
[2:46] <sraue> fanless and caseless
[2:46] <__machine> anyone know if the apple usb wall charger has enough juice to overclock/volt the rpi?
[2:46] <des2> So how long does it last on a single cell, 10 minutes ?
[2:46] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, bad... what you have done?
[2:46] <GabrialDestruir> No clue
[2:46] <TheSeven> haven't tried, but should be about 2-4 hours
[2:46] <GabrialDestruir> could be the build I'm using
[2:46] <__machine> sraue: do you think putting it in a case like the pibow or any other case would make it significantly hotter?
[2:47] <des2> __machine I'd say yes if it isn't a fake.
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> What's the command to cat temp
[2:47] <sraue> __machine, no idea, never used a case for the rpi... but dont think very much
[2:47] <GabrialDestruir> Looks like I'm at 75c?
[2:48] <__machine> sraue: does confluence run smooth? i saw some tuning tips advising to use dirty screen updates and disable fan art... is that necessary?
[2:48] <GabrialDestruir> 75.592C
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[2:48] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp
[2:48] <sraue> ^^^ does openelec use
[2:48] <__machine> sraue: did you stick any heatsink on the gpu/cpu? or just running bare?
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[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> I'm running bare, with a case, but my rooms hotter than normal which explains the temp difference from sraues
[2:49] <Datalink> Mehhh, your case scares me, but yeah, Molex has both connector types (they are a major producer) and have a sample program: http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0471510001_IO_CONNECTORS.xml should start you off
[2:49] <GabrialDestruir> normally I have a desk fan blowing, which gets me down to like 30-40c
[2:49] <sraue> __machine, in very last xbmc DR is enabled by default, confluence runs ok, but on a ION/Fusion its smoother, no heatsink here on RPi
[2:50] <Tachyon`> was someone making an emulation related pi distribution?
[2:50] <Tachyon`> if so, anyone got a URL?
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[2:51] <GabrialDestruir> Hmmm that'd be nice.
[2:51] <sraue> GabrialDestruir, where you live? on the sun?
[2:51] <Mehhh> awesome. so i would need to solder them together or one to the board?
[2:51] <GabrialDestruir> Desert
[2:51] <GabrialDestruir> Close enough :p
[2:51] <TheSeven> des2: actually it should more like 6-8 hours
[2:51] <Tachyon`> I think the two things are somewhat differnet, that or you're mighty talkative for a cloud of vapour
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[2:51] <TheSeven> current (700MHz, idling, ethernet connected) is 372MA
[2:51] <TheSeven> mA*
[2:52] <TheSeven> now tell me why it eats that much juice... during boot it consumes only like 150mA for a few seconds
[2:52] <GabrialDestruir> Plus I have two PIs stacked ontop of each other, so I imagine the plastic is holding the heat of both which is pushing the temp for both up.
[2:53] <Datalink> Mehhh, probably solder together, swapping out the board's connector is difficult because the Pi's a 4 layer device
[2:53] <AC`97> 4 layer?
[2:53] <AC`97> i thought there were more
[2:53] <GabrialDestruir> I think the 512MB would make for a better emulator device, meaning maybe we can see everything from PSX down on the Pi
[2:53] * AC`97 thinks of pibow
[2:53] <Mehhh> cool, so besides the two molexs, nothing else needs to be done?
[2:53] <AC`97> GabrialDestruir: false?
[2:54] <TheSeven> hm, increasing CPU load to 100% only adds about 50mA more current
[2:54] <TheSeven> where does all the rest go!?
[2:54] <sraue> 512MB means we can run OpenELEC from RAM :-)
[2:54] <AC`97> more memory doesn't help slow memory access speed.
[2:54] <AC`97> TheSeven: gpu.
[2:54] <AC`97> usb. regulator/heaters
[2:54] <TheSeven> why would that eat so much juice if HDMI isn't even connected?
[2:55] <SpeedEvil> Mehhh: soldering these will be a _major_ problem
[2:55] <des2> 372 mA is pretty good.
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[2:56] <Mehhh> together, not to the board
[2:56] <Mehhh> home-made adapter
[2:56] <TheSeven> des2: well power consumption during the first few seconds of boot is *much* lower
[2:56] <Mehhh> Is there perhaps a solderless interconnect that can be used since it's "so" hard
[2:57] <TheSeven> [ 2.403136] bcm2835-cpufreq: min=700000 max=700000 cur=700000
[2:57] <hotwings> to anyone who ordered a 512MB rpi, what was your reason for doing so?
[2:57] <TheSeven> very clever...
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[2:58] <AC`97> hotwings: more memory.
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> Well it seems PSX emulators are running pretty decently according to some posts on the 256 Pi anyways, I imagine having more Ram would still help in some way.
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[2:58] <AC`97> i like ramdisks
[2:58] <steve_rox> they may of not had a reasion
[2:58] <Amorsen> hotwings, it isn't like there is a choice...
[2:58] <GabrialDestruir> I haven't ordered my 512 yet, but I'm going to do it for the more memory
[2:58] <Tachyon`> there are 512MB Pis?
[2:58] <AC`97> Tachyon`: yes.
[2:59] <AC`97> what year did you come from? XD
[2:59] <Tachyon`> I thought they said they weren't going to do that
[2:59] <Mehhh> Datalink none of the inverse parts are working (the pages)
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[2:59] <Tachyon`> bah, hello platform fragmentation
[2:59] <TheSeven> hm... so is there a way to just power this GPU down?
[2:59] <AC`97> TheSeven: memory split.
[2:59] <TheSeven> hm?
[2:59] <Datalink> Mehhh, it's kinda limited, yeah
[3:00] <Datalink> TheSeven, turn down the memory split so the GPU gets 16 megs,, that's as low as it can go if you wanna power it down
[3:00] <TheSeven> I've done that already
[3:00] <TheSeven> but I doubt this will affect GPU power consumption
[3:00] <Amorsen> You can't power the GPU down as in stop any of it from running
[3:01] <TheSeven> can't technically, or just because it isn't implemented?
[3:01] <Datalink> the ARM core is slaved to the GPU
[3:01] <TheSeven> yeah but I figure most of the power intensive circuitry shouldn't be required if you don't need video output
[3:02] <SpeedEvil> leakage.
[3:02] <des2> Trachyon visit raspberrypi.org. All newly shipping PIs are 512MB
[3:02] <SpeedEvil> it is not like a mobile CPU,
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> with mobile CPUs, they have good power saving idle, as they shut off bits of the chip
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> the pi doesn't do this
[3:03] <Mehhh> Does radioshack carry molexs'
[3:03] <TheSeven> what is this if it isn't a mobile SoC?
[3:03] <GabrialDestruir> I wish pi shipments in the US were more reliable, both the US sites I've seen seem to indicate that it could be months before I get a 512MB Pi
[3:03] <Tachyon`> yes, I looked, that's annoying
[3:03] <Datalink> Mehhh, some, not HDMI
[3:03] <Tachyon`> I'll have to get another one now
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> TheSeven: an embedded CPU
[3:03] <Mehhh> Mehhh
[3:03] <Tachyon`> although I needed another anyway with the new layout
[3:03] <TheSeven> what kind of embedded platform needs such a GPU?
[3:03] <Datalink> Mehhh, most of the molex brand connectors Ratshack has are industrial connectors or incidentals
[3:03] <TheSeven> which isn't mobile?
[3:03] <SpeedEvil> set top box
[3:04] <Mehhh> Man... and they just had this huge Ad campaign about how DIY they were now
[3:04] <Datalink> VideoCore also acts as the frontside bus, handling IO
[3:05] <TheSeven> well it can't be much more than an AXI bridge + second MMU
[3:05] <__machine> GabrialDestruir: my room is hot, too... i want to run silent (no fans)... i have zotac ion2 at the moment but it sometimes it has trouble booting and i can only guess it's due to heat... might try an rpi with heatsinks and no case stuck to the wall...
[3:05] <Datalink> Mehhh, yes, but HDMI connectors, the raw connector, is considered industrial b2b
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[3:05] <Datalink> as in Molex expects to sell the majority of them to board manufactuerers and the rest to prototype engineers
[3:05] <TheSeven> is the video resolution controlled entirely by the gpu or can it be configured from within the kernel?
[3:06] <des2> Lets face it there's demand for a no GPU headless $25 Pi....
[3:06] <Tachyon`> hrm, the farnell ordering page isn't working, have people killed it again
[3:06] <Datalink> Ratshack's just hobbiest, kinda tip of the iceberg when it comes to EE
[3:06] <TheSeven> des2: +1
[3:06] <Datalink> TheSeven, it can be configured in /boot/config.txt
[3:06] <GabrialDestruir> My pi are now running 37.4 C with my desktop fan
[3:06] <Tachyon`> des2, don't think hat's possible, the gpu is an integral part ofth epackage
[3:06] <TheSeven> which is parsed by the videocore boot code, not the kernel, right?
[3:06] <AC`97> my pi sorta crashed/died/something after 10 days of uptime
[3:06] <AC`97> [847902.877409] bcm2708_vcio: mbox chan 8 overflow - drop 4d465008
[3:07] <des2> Right the cpu and gpu in the current chip are integrated.
[3:07] <Datalink> des2, as I mentioned, VideoCore also talks with peripherals, it actually loads the firmware off the SD card, so without it, you can't even load the OS into RAM
[3:07] <TheSeven> who says a headless pi would need to be videocore based?
[3:07] <des2> Right.
[3:07] <TheSeven> or even broadcom based?
[3:07] <Datalink> TheSeven, you may as well start designing a new board
[3:08] <Tachyon`> I have a strong suspicion any attempt to change it to remove the GPU would actually make it more expensive
[3:08] <GabrialDestruir> They did it the way they did it because it was the most cost effective way to build the device
[3:09] <hotwings> i was curious if people were ordering 512MB rpis just cuz they think more is better, or if they have a _real_ need for more memory
[3:09] <TheSeven> Datalink: what's the difference between gpu_freq and core_freq?
[3:09] <TheSeven> might reducing gpu_freq help? if yes, what are valid values for that?
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> Plus it is my understanding that the originally intended the gpu to be used as the cpu....
[3:09] <GabrialDestruir> but they changed that in the end
[3:09] <TheSeven> also v3d_freq, isp_freq, h264_freq
[3:09] <Tachyon`> hotwings, such as chromium and firefox will certainly perform better with more ram
[3:10] <Tachyon`> and I imagine quite a few people use those
[3:10] <des2> more is better except it uses more power...
[3:10] <AC`97> hotwings: i like ramdisks
[3:10] <Datalink> TheSeven, core_freq is the ARM core, gpu_freq is the VideoCore, there is no officially supported overclocks over 500 MHz on the gpu_freq, ideally you should be running one of the raspi-config overclock sets, as those are known stable
[3:10] <TheSeven> what's arm_freq then?
[3:10] <Datalink> TheSeven, ....
[3:10] <TheSeven> Datalink: I'm considering to underclock, not overclock, it
[3:11] <Tachyon`> one of them is memory frequency
[3:11] <hotwings> Tachyon` - i know more people using rpi for other things than trying to use it as a desktop so based on that, i wouldnt think most 512 rpi orders are for better firefox performance
[3:11] <TheSeven> sdram_freq
[3:11] <Datalink> oh, I'm sorry, core's the bus between the vidcore and the arm
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[3:11] <TheSeven> so gpu_freq shouldn't mess with the arm performance?
[3:12] <AC`97> gpu_freq might affect cpu/arm cache performance
[3:12] <Datalink> TheSeven, it's influence won't be huge, but changing it could have standard overclock risks, heat, data errors, reduced stability
[3:12] <AC`97> i have no clue though
[3:12] * AC`97 is computer illiterate
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> At this point it doesn't matter...
[3:12] <GabrialDestruir> You'll get 512 on all model Bs from now on
[3:13] <GabrialDestruir> So even if you just one the extra USB port and ethernet you get 512
[3:13] <Amorsen> It will be interesting to see if USB behaves differently on the model A
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[3:13] <Datalink> I love how people instinctively ask about it rather than just going onto one of the 4 official sources that posted about it today...
[3:13] <Amorsen> In theory it should be a simpler setup with fewer things to go wrong
[3:14] <Datalink> Amorsen, model A's USB is the same as B, only port's been soldered on instead of 2
[3:14] <des2> Is that true ?
[3:14] <Amorsen> Datalink, I am almost certain that is wrong
[3:14] <des2> Because the B has a hub.
[3:14] <GabrialDestruir> I imagine USB won't act all that different from the Model B, after all the intention was for Model B and Model A be the same except for the Ethernet port/USB port
[3:14] <des2> Why would the A have one ?
[3:15] <Amorsen> Model B has a hub with one device preconnected, the ethernet, and two open ports
[3:15] <Datalink> hm, they could exclude the USB/Ethernet chip, you're right
[3:15] <des2> Every saved penny counts in metting the $25 goal.
[3:16] <chithead> the lack of hub allows the model a to operate both in usb host mode and in usb slave mode
[3:16] <des2> We know that the A will have 256MB
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[3:17] <Amorsen> chithead: has there been confirmation that the slave mode will have driver support?
[3:17] <Amorsen> Not that I personally care, I need host mode
[3:18] <Datalink> it should be in the kernel options, donno if it's enabled in the oficial distros
[3:19] <chithead> it should be the usb driver who decides that, but I don't know if there is special code needed like with sdhci
[3:20] <Amorsen> My next purchase will be whatever device under ??50 which works with TVHeadend and the Nanostick T2 290e
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[3:22] <Mehhh> Screw it, i'm just going to email these molex.com clowns
[3:23] <Mehhh> half their inverse pages aren't even up
[3:23] * AC`97 is afraid of clowns
[3:23] <Mehhh> You should be, especially when i'm asking them for male and female gender changers
[3:23] <Hodapp> https://plus.google.com/118362595868371326646/posts . . . this device was $50 and works :P
[3:23] <AC`97> . . .
[3:23] <__machine> Amorsen: do you use the nanostick t2 290e with tvheadend now?
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[3:24] <des2> $40 version: http://www.geekbuying.com/item/In-Stock-MK802--New-Version-Android-4-0-Mini-PC-IPTV-Smart-TV-Box--Allwinner-A10-DDR3-1GB-RAM-4GB-ROM--Better-Than-MK802-307558.html
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[3:25] <Datalink> I should try my WinTV with my pi, I compiled in support on my kernel
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[3:26] <Amorsen> __machine, I do with a Mac Mini, but it drops packets with a Pi
[3:27] <__machine> Amorsen: for sd broadcasts too?
[3:28] <Amorsen> __machine, yes, no channels are actually usable
[3:29] <__machine> bummer... do you know if it's like that with other usb tuners as well?
[3:29] <Amorsen> em28xx #0/2-dvb: URB packet 0, status -63 [Buffer error (overrun)].
[3:29] <AC`97> joy~
[3:29] <Amorsen> Well supposedly some have had success with other tuners, according to the forums
[3:30] <Amorsen> However that one is the only DVB-T2 tuner with Linux support that I am aware of
[3:30] <Amorsen> And SDTV-only isn't particularly interesting for me
[3:31] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder what the best way to network my 2TB drive between my Pi's would be..
[3:31] <AC`97> gpio bitbang ide >:D
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[3:32] <Amorsen> The Nanostick is absolutely great in my Mac Mini running Fedora though
[3:32] <Amorsen> I was just hoping to go a bit lower in power consumption
[3:34] <Datalink> hm, is the pibow open source, I'm considering getting it done in a certain set of acrylic to conform to an asthetic I usually design stuff with
[3:34] <AC`97> ^ aka non-gay colors
[3:34] <AC`97> >:D
[3:35] <GabrialDestruir> I wouldn't mind a PiBow in a shades of gray coloring
[3:35] <AC`97> or all translucent
[3:35] <AC`97> om nom nom
[3:36] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, all translucent could work too.
[3:37] <AC`97> i wonder if the slices could be done with rubber or silicone
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[3:40] <Datalink> I tend to use grey with blue trim, I'd do top and bottom in grey, the slices after in a light (electric) blue, and slightly smaller diameter, then the rest in the same grey... I tend to use that in a lot of my own designs
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[3:41] <GabrialDestruir> I wish I knew why this plugin was giving me a 403 while trying to login... it's annoying and I'm not sure if it's just a Pi issue or what Datalink
[3:41] <GabrialDestruir> ignore that name >.<
[3:42] <Datalink> GabrialDestruir, what website?
[3:42] <Datalink> you pinged me, I will analize... muahaha
[3:42] <GabrialDestruir> apparently webchat likes to auto add names if you hit tab xD
[3:42] <AC`97> orly
[3:42] <Datalink> GabrialDestruir, oh, webchat... just grab hexchat or another real client... the 403 could be due to various freenode anti-bot stuff
[3:43] <AC`97> weechat.
[3:43] <GabrialDestruir> It's the XBMC Hulu Plugin, but I don't think it's a plugin issue, cause the forum doesn't have a bunch of people going "ZOMG IT'S BROKEN FIX IT!"
[3:43] <Datalink> Hulu could have changed something since the build
[3:43] <Datalink> youtube-dl needs updating out of the repo
[3:44] <GabrialDestruir> I was thinking that's possible too, but if that were the case I imagine the support thread for the plugin would be flooded with "ZOMG BROKEN.... etc"
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[4:07] <GabrialDestruir> Oh ffs -.-
[4:07] <GabrialDestruir> I guess it'd help to use the right login info
[4:07] <GabrialDestruir> >.>.
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[4:23] <Datalink> GabrialDestruir, correct login is kinda needed, yeah
[4:26] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently both my username and password were wrong when I double checked them.
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[4:41] <__machine> is the ethernet on rpi particularly slow? just read that someone couldnt get more than 1MB/s out of the device using iperf?
[4:43] <des2> It should be able to do more than 1 MB/s
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[5:47] <Xark> Wow...350 responses to 512MB RPi thread (I guess it is rather big news)... :)
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[5:50] <Tachyon`> wonder if model a will be 256 or 512 when they ship (if they ship)
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[5:52] <Xark> Tachyon`: Good question. I haven't seen a definitive post (but I would guess 512M).
[5:52] <des2> Model A is 256.
[5:52] <SIFTU> Liz said 256Mb
[5:52] <des2> They already have the chips.
[5:52] <Xark> des2: OK, thanks.
[5:53] <des2> (there was several posts about it among the 350)
[5:53] * Xark is slowly working is way through them... :)
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[5:54] <des2> 1/2 are people complaining.
[5:54] <Xark> Inevitable...
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[6:00] <discopig> why would people complain??
[6:00] <discopig> it's not like they switched cpu architecture or did something to break compatibility
[6:00] <discopig> more ram is better, no matter what
[6:00] <discopig> and at $35 they could just get a new one
[6:01] <Xark> discopig: What does not having a reason to complain have to do with the Internet? :)
[6:01] <jbermudes> Is it still difficult to get one or can you order and it'll ship relatively quickly?
[6:02] <Xark> jbermudes: Well, it was easier yesterday (as there was a rush to order 512MB models), however, it shouldn't be "many months" anymore. Also, avoid RS for best results.
[6:03] <Xark> jbermudes: Several people were reporting 3 day shipments of late.
[6:04] <jbermudes> Ah. Well then, I guess I should get another one since my current one can't handle turbo mode for some reason
[6:04] <Xark> jbermudes: Your new one should be the new revision as well as 2x the memory (and likely better odds of turbo working).
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[6:10] <discopig> lol
[6:10] <discopig> i won't pick up a 512mb unless i absolutely need it
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[6:15] <__machine> what are people using their rpi for?
[6:15] <Xark> discopig: Since Model A will still have 256MB, it will likely stay "supported" where possible.
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[6:17] <Xark> __machine: Toying around with OpenGL and using it for the household sshd server (so I can connect to it, then tunnel to other machines on my home LAN securely).
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[6:18] <__machine> Xark: do you use raspbian?
[6:18] <Xark> __machine: Yes, but I am probably not fully up to date at the moment.
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[6:19] <home> same here
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[6:20] <__machine> how quick is the rpi? i have no idea about arm clock speeds and architecture etc... compared to say an ION2 machine?
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[6:22] <maicod> the chan is probably sleeping :)
[6:22] <des2> The Rpi is a slow processor with a fast graphics chip
[6:22] <maicod> indeed
[6:22] <des2> The CPU is roughly equivalent to a 300 MHz Pentium 2
[6:22] <maicod> I had a P2-350 once
[6:23] <maicod> not a celeron . it was a genuine
[6:23] <maicod> costed 'a fortune'
[6:23] <des2> Yeah CPUs were expensive back then.
[6:23] <__machine> i had a p166 that cost $1000 for the cpu alone
[6:23] <Xark> maicod: RasPi is slow even by nice smartphone standards (but still a great deal for $35). :)
[6:24] <maicod> Xark: I am still surprised what you can do with it
[6:24] <des2> It's at a unique speed/price/size/capability point.
[6:24] <maicod> yea
[6:24] <des2> Apparently they're making about 4,000/day
[6:24] <maicod> des2you were the NZ guy ?
[6:24] <maicod> wow
[6:25] <des2> (30,000/month in the UK plant)
[6:25] <des2> No maicod, I'm in the US
[6:25] <maicod> the world would get saturated soon
[6:25] <maicod> ah OK
[6:25] <maicod> http://maiconet.nl:8080/stats.php
[6:26] <maicod> it works :)
[6:26] <des2> Congrats maicod.
[6:26] * maicod wonders if the warranty bit will be triggered when I o/c it cause its allowed now
[6:26] <maicod> so the bit needs to stay the same :)
[6:26] <maicod> thanks des2
[6:27] <maicod> I'm using nginx now
[6:27] <maicod> ditched lighttpd
[6:27] <des2> It's not showing the overclocking amount.
[6:27] <Xark> maicod: Do you *really* care about the warranty? :)
[6:27] <maicod> des2: its not o/c0-ed
[6:28] <maicod> o/c-ed
[6:28] <maicod> Xark: yeah :)
[6:28] <Syliss> and now you get 512 ram
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[6:28] <maicod> in the Wales made boards ?
[6:28] <__machine> wouldnt it cost more to send it back than just buy a new one?
[6:28] <des2> Well then (*) None should be shown
[6:28] <des2> Now move it to port 31416
[6:29] <maicod> des2: no I decided on 8080
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[6:29] <des2> heh.
[6:29] <des2> It's faster than an 8080
[6:29] <maicod> but you remembered :)
[6:29] <maicod> yea
[6:29] <__machine> what else runs well on rpi besodes raspbian? what can raspbian not do that a standard debian/ubuntu can?
[6:29] <maicod> 8080 is just the alternative 80 port ;)
[6:29] <Syliss> no in all boards, 512 is the new standard
[6:29] <des2> archlinux
[6:30] <des2> and RaspBMC
[6:30] <maicod> dunno why the
[6:30] <maicod> oops
[6:30] <maicod> dunno why it doesnt show o/c status as none
[6:30] <maicod> its broken :)
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[6:31] <des2> Does show that you haven't bought the 2 codecs.
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[6:31] <maicod> not yet
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[6:31] <maicod> and I won't buy the other one
[6:31] <maicod> dunno what files need that one
[6:32] <des2> Something Microsoft that no one uses probably.
[6:32] <maicod> wvc1
[6:32] <maicod> indeed
[6:32] <maicod> never seen it
[6:32] <maicod> but mpeg2 is important ofc
[6:33] <maicod> now you know my serial :P
[6:33] <des2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1
[6:33] <__machine> anyone know how raspbmc compares to openelec?
[6:33] <maicod> ah windows media
[6:33] <maicod> wmv
[6:34] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=16319
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[6:34] <des2> OpenELEC vs Raspbmc vs Xbian
[6:36] <Syliss> i prefer darkelec but the last update sucks
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[6:38] <maicod> can the pi be accessed from windows over netbios ?
[6:38] <Syliss> idk
[6:39] <maicod> I think it needs smbd ?
[6:39] <__machine> darkelec? why?
[6:39] <maicod> will find it out I'm sure ;)
[6:39] <Syliss> cause it ran better
[6:40] <Syliss> but the last update was pegging the cpu too much
[6:40] <maicod> my login looks like this now : http://maiconet.nl:8080/screenshot87.jpg
[6:42] <des2> heh
[6:42] <maicod> isn't it cool:)
[6:43] <AC`97> penguin has razor teeth?
[6:43] <AC`97> O.o
[6:43] <maicod> fangs :)
[6:43] <AC`97> . . .
[6:44] <maicod> its super-penguin after all :)
[6:44] <maicod> the drawing isnt mine
[6:44] <maicod> its a program
[6:45] <maicod> http://www.deater.net/weave/vmwprod/linux_logo/
[6:45] <maicod> just compile it
[6:45] <maicod> samba indeed: http://cymplecy.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/treating-a-raspberrypi-as-just-another-windows-machine-4-2/
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[6:48] <maicod> seeyas
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[6:49] <SIFTU> 2
[6:50] <heathkid> I've noticed that if my pi isnt' doing anything it seems to hang up...
[6:50] <heathkid> is there a keepalive or something that's needed?
[6:50] <heathkid> made it 16 days on wifi....
[6:50] <heathkid> closed out putty.... and it died within a day
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[6:50] <heathkid> thoughts?
[6:52] <des2> Whay do you mean by died ?
[6:52] <heathkid> can't connect to it
[6:52] <des2> And did you look at log files.
[6:52] <heathkid> no
[6:52] <heathkid> how?
[6:52] <des2> So you can't ssh in
[6:52] <heathkid> right
[6:53] <des2> No monitor connected ?
[6:53] <heathkid> guess I need to connect a serial connection and get logs while it's in that state
[6:53] <heathkid> just haven't done that yet
[6:53] <heathkid> no
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[6:53] <heathkid> just ssh
[6:53] <heathkid> over wifi
[6:54] <heathkid> sounds like a project for the weekend....
[6:54] <heathkid> gotta get some sleep
[6:55] <heathkid> but unless I run top and have an active ssh connection... it's not reliable
[6:55] <des2> you on the latest Software ?
[6:55] <heathkid> if I am... it runs great with no problems
[6:55] <heathkid> I know... logs
[6:55] <heathkid> and look at what it's doing via serial console when it's "dead"
[6:55] <heathkid> yep
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[6:56] <des2> It's possible something is running it out of memory.
[6:57] <heathkid> nothing is really running
[6:57] <heathkid> I'll look into it more tomorrow...
[6:57] <des2> Look in /var/log when you reboot.
[6:58] <heathkid> which log file?
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[6:59] <heathkid> dmesg?
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[7:09] <des2> Whichever you got.
[7:10] <des2> Do an ls -lt and see what contains recent info
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[7:21] <GabrialDestruir> What's the easiest method to add a temperature sensor to the Pi? To get like room temp?
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[7:22] <des2> Interface through the GPIO to one of the temp sensor ICs.
[7:23] <des2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlIODFSUGSQ
[7:23] <des2> someone made a video.
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[7:24] <GabrialDestruir> Yea I was thinking I'd trying to see if I could automate some of the stuff in my room, if the temperature gets hot, my desktop shuts down type of thing.
[7:25] <GabrialDestruir> try to see*
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[7:26] <des2> http://www.briandorey.com/post/Raspberry-Pi-I2C-Microchip-MCP9800123-Temperature-Sensor.aspx
[7:27] <des2> Apparently lots of people are using it to monitor temp
[7:27] <des2> There's lots of projects returned by google.
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[7:30] <GabrialDestruir> A weather station type pi could be cool
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[7:30] <GabrialDestruir> It's probably been done before, should make it easier for me to do eventually
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[7:42] <des2> Yeah just wait someone will put up a prroject that's exactly what you want.
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[7:43] <GabrialDestruir> I wish I could fix my damn sound problem on my laptop heh
[7:44] <Syliss> lol
[7:45] <GabrialDestruir> pulseaudio or alsa or some crap or another is acting up, my speakers are disabled and a bunch of modules refuse to unload
[7:46] <des2> sound, the bane of linuxes.
[7:48] <Syliss> and windows too
[7:49] <GabrialDestruir> Eh i don't have these kinds of issues on windows usually
[7:51] <Syliss> i did a few time
[7:51] <Syliss> s
[7:51] <Syliss> but now I'm on osx, def don't have those issues
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[7:55] <GabrialDestruir> All this because I tried to fix my mic with skype... a hassle I tell you
[7:55] <GabrialDestruir> rebooting, bbiab
[7:58] <hotwings> thats the linux motto.. fix it til it breaks, then fix it more
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[8:15] <GabrialDestruir> Can't figure it out... speakers are borked, headphones work just fine.
[8:15] <GabrialDestruir> must be a drivers issue
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[8:45] <matejv> has anyone set up raspi as backup server? I configured it, but I am experiencing very slow copying over LAN. The CPU is almost 100% while copying to external USB hard drive.
[8:47] <sundancer> matejv its because disk IO is CPU intensive on this particular architecture
[8:47] <sundancer> there is nothing much you can do
[8:48] <matejv> sundancer, overclocking the raspi?
[8:48] <sundancer> i doubt +100Mhz will bring you satisfacion :)
[8:48] <steve_rox> hm one news website here implys they increased the ram to support android 4.0
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[8:49] <matejv> sundancer, is there any other raspi alike hardware with better IO performance?
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[8:50] <sundancer> take a look at http://pcengines.ch/alix.htm
[8:50] <des2> I think they increased ram support because ram was cheap enough and lots of people were asking for more ram, which is shared with video
[8:50] <sundancer> and dont let 500Mhz clock foolk you :)
[8:51] <sundancer> fool even
[8:51] <sundancer> its different architecture
[8:51] <sundancer> i see you are from Slovenia.. maybe i can borrow you alix2d3 board
[8:52] <matejv> sundancer, are you from slovenia too?
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[8:53] <sundancer> matejv yes
[8:54] <matejv> sundancer, what a small world :)
[8:55] <sundancer> not really, its just raspi thats popular :)
[8:55] <matejv> hehe
[8:55] <bircoe> matejv, how slow is slow?
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[8:55] <matejv> 60GB over 100MB, ~16 hours
[8:56] <bircoe> what kind of transfer rate?
[8:56] <matejv> 100 Mbit LAN
[8:56] <matejv> dont know what was the exact rate
[8:57] <sundancer> matejv how did you copy?
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[8:58] <matejv> sundancer, I'm using Sbackup software with SSH
[8:59] <matejv> I would be happy with 4-6 hours for backup
[8:59] <matejv> I need over night backups
[9:00] <Mike-N-Go> You mean, it takes more then 1 night!?
[9:01] <sundancer> ouch :) have in mind that SSH is for secure communication ergo your raspi is encrypting/decrypting while copying
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[9:01] <sundancer> and encryption/decryption takes many cpu cycles
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[9:02] <sundancer> which i guess you can spare if you only need to copy stuff
[9:03] <matejv> so, what would be better solution?
[9:03] <matejv> FTP?
[9:03] <sundancer> yes
[9:03] <matejv> i hate FTP :)
[9:03] <bircoe> matejv, you definitely have an issue somewhere, that suggests a transfer rate of approx 1.15 MB/s
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[9:03] <bircoe> During testing I found 8-9 was the max using samba
[9:04] <matejv> yeah, maybe there is a problem with SSH
[9:05] <matejv> so, which would be faster FTP or samba?
[9:05] <matejv> has anyone did any performance testing
[9:05] <bircoe> much the same really
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[9:06] <bircoe> ftp would have lower overhead than samba, but we're talking hardware with pretty limited performance here.
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[9:06] <sundancer> i vote for FTP
[9:06] <sundancer> matejv or even better, try netcat :)
[9:06] <des2> samba and ftp should have similar rates.
[9:07] <sundancer> or try this http://pcbunn.cithep.caltech.edu/bbcp/using_bbcp.htm
[9:07] <bircoe> you do realise though that transfering data via SSH is a form of FTP :)
[9:07] <des2> Like ftp with encryption.
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[9:07] <des2> Which is why there is sftp
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[9:08] <sundancer> guys, think of how many cpu cycles are spent just because data needs to be encrypted/decrypted
[9:08] <bircoe> I use SFTP all the time, essentially any linux box with SSH running on it becomes an FTP server
[9:08] <des2> Yes.
[9:08] <des2> Poor 300 MHz pentium 2 Pi doing all thatdecrypting.
[9:08] <bircoe> and depending on the account you use to access it potentially full root) access to the file system.
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[9:09] <matejv> i dont need much of security, its accessible only over LAN
[9:09] <Weaselweb> please don't mix sftp with ftp or even ftps
[9:09] <sundancer> matejv as i said.. netcat or bbcp
[9:10] <matejv> I will try for sure
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[9:16] <nid0> i'll just throw rsync into the conversation as well
[9:16] <des2> heh
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[9:36] <bircoe> nid0, if i remember correctly the sbackup app he is using does backups using rsync via ssh
[9:37] <matejv> nid0, the rsync is not an option, its the same as SSH
[9:38] <nid0> rsyncd says hi
[9:38] <nid0> you dont have to use rsync over an encrypted ssh connection
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[9:39] <nid0> in fact, even if you do want encryption, rsyncd+stunnel is much more efficient than doing it via ssh
[9:39] <bircoe> nope i guess on further investigation i'm wrong
[9:39] <nid0> bircoe: was just downloading the program to take a look at what it uses :P
[9:40] <bircoe> I'm very fond of rsync... I cringe when I have to use RoboCopy at work...
[9:40] <nid0> even if it is plain rsync via ssh though, he'll get a big performance increase (assuming the ssh encryption/decryption on the pi is the bottleneck) by using rsyncd unencrypted
[9:40] <bircoe> If I land this Linux admin job I've applied for my life will get better!
[9:42] <des2> A sysadmin's life is never better...
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[9:53] <booyaa> is this a deevloper speaking?
[9:53] <booyaa> or a jaded sysadmn?
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[9:55] <des2> heh
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[10:00] <martk100> Can I use a laptop running linux to control xbmc on raspberry pi?
[10:00] <des2> Probably.
[10:01] <martk100> des2: Any isea how?
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[10:02] <bircoe> martk100, google XBMC's HTTP api
[10:02] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[10:03] <martk100> bircoe: Thanks I will.
[10:03] <bircoe> des2, what would you prefer... Helpdesk or Linux Admin?
[10:03] <des2> http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/desktops/how-to-turn-your-raspberry-pi-into-an-xbmc-media-centre-50008599/
[10:04] <des2> I've done too much admining in my life, I don't want to do anymore.
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[10:04] <des2> If you haven't been an admin before I'd take that.
[10:04] <bircoe> well I've done too much helpdesking!
[10:04] <martk100> des2:bircoe: Thanks I have to go.
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[10:04] <des2> Admining tends to not be a 9 to 5 job
[10:04] <GabrialDestruir> Is there a way to test if data is being sent to the speakers in linux?
[10:05] <des2> Yes but it involves ears.
[10:05] <des2> What audio method are you using ?
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[10:05] <bircoe> admin in our org is 8 till 4... help desk is open from 6am to midnight!
[10:05] <des2> Cause you can tap into the stream
[10:06] <GabrialDestruir> pulseaudio
[10:06] <des2> A disk goes bad at 3:59, you are gonna go home ?
[10:06] <GabrialDestruir> I'm trying to figure out if there's a hardware issue, or a drivers issue on my laptop.
[10:06] <nid0> des2: personally yeah, thats what hot standbys are for :P
[10:06] <bircoe> that's what overtime is for :P and besides that's for the Data Management team... not Linux Admins :)
[10:06] <des2> heh
[10:06] <des2> ok
[10:07] <des2> Sounds like a lot of people there.
[10:07] <bircoe> 7500 employees
[10:07] <bircoe> ~200 or so are IT
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[10:07] <bircoe> 3000 or so err... carry guns.
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, good oh ;-)
[10:08] <bircoe> Makes for some interesting calls :)
[10:08] <des2> You don't want to be a sysadmin where users carry guns...
[10:08] <gordonDrogon> I have worked in a few establishments while under armed survelance/guard...
[10:09] <bircoe> "If you can't fix this thing I'm putting a bullet through it" is pretty common to hear!
[10:09] <des2> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/Users/Troubleshooting
[10:09] <gordonDrogon> even to the extent of going to the loo. Trying to pee while having a young and twitchy chap standing behind you with a rifle and hand-gun is somewhat challenging...
[10:10] <bircoe> that's not cool... might want to hold it in!
[10:10] <des2> Look at that see if there's anything useful GabrialDestruir
[10:10] <GabrialDestruir> I'll see what I get
[10:10] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, 12-hour shifts - somewhat challenging...
[10:11] <des2> I knew a guy who had worked on an aircraft mechanic and worked on airforce 1 once.
[10:11] <bircoe> our org isn't that strict, but you can't get in the building without a valid pass, and you can't use the computers without a appropriate security clearance
[10:11] <Weaselweb> gordonDrogon: so the armed guys are actually there to watch the working persons there? not to pretend external instrusion?
[10:11] <des2> He had the guy with a gun right next to him
[10:11] <bircoe> i see your point!
[10:11] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, fortunately at that particular place, they changed the youngesters out for the old guys once they'd done their background checks on us ...
[10:11] <nid0> I know a couple of people that work for gchq, conversations about how work's going never get very far!
[10:11] <evilbetty> morning
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, we were "aliens" (ie. europeans) in their top-secret computer labs..
[10:12] <gordonDrogon> Weaselweb, in the US...
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[10:12] <Weaselweb> ah, ic. explains everything
[10:12] <bircoe> I can talk about work :) as long as I don't say where i work and get into an indepth convo about the network infrastructure!
[10:13] <evilbetty> lol
[10:13] <evilbetty> isnt that same for all big companies these days?
[10:13] <evilbetty> i'm not allowed to say we still use ie6 either:p
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> some of it was a bit of a farce - all show and bravado, but hey - this was 20 years ago...
[10:14] <bircoe> yeah we get that too... burly blokes wanting to show off!
[10:14] <gordonDrogon> building this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/cs2.gif
[10:14] <evilbetty> and i gotta reboot after windows updates :p brb
[10:14] <GabrialDestruir> No good.
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[10:14] <GabrialDestruir> It says if you don't hear sound and there is no error turn up the volume... but it doesn't say what to do if you still don't hear sound
[10:14] <bircoe> that looks fun gordonDrogon
[10:15] <bircoe> GabrialDestruir, what audio device are you using?
[10:15] <bircoe> HDMI, Analog or USB?
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[10:16] <GabrialDestruir> Eh I'm doing this on a laptop, but the other rooms haven't been much help.
[10:16] <GabrialDestruir> Running a built in soundcard/speaker
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[10:17] <des2> When you reboot the laptop you get no sound on the desktop startup ?
[10:17] <bircoe> and you've checked the mixer that the correct output is enabled, not muted and turned up?
[10:17] <des2> (the welcome sound) ?
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[10:18] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, it was at the time! Note the dark red thing lurking behind it at the top-left of the photo - that's a Cray Y-MP...
[10:18] <GabrialDestruir> Yea, the welcome sound works, and I get sound for a few minutes, then something happens and only headphones work
[10:18] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, the thing we built was 2m high...
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[10:19] <bircoe> http://mattnt.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/cray.png
[10:19] <bircoe> ain't it jay!
[10:19] <des2> That's interesting
[10:19] <bircoe> sorry couldn't help it
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> :)
[10:20] <des2> sound works and then doesn't
[10:20] <gordonDrogon> They were the Crayons, we were the Meikons...
[10:20] <bircoe> LOL
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[10:20] <GabrialDestruir> Yea that's the part that I don't get why it'd work for a bit then die, consistently.
[10:21] <bircoe> impressive that high end mobile phones now pack more number crunching power that one of those
[10:22] <bircoe> Cray-1 that is
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> OR that you can carry a box of 200 Pi's - which has much more computing power, etc. than that machine ever had ...
[10:22] <gordonDrogon> each node in the machine I worked in had a dual-core Sparc running at 77MHz with 128MbB of RAM
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> there were 256 compute nodes and a few dozen support ones- with scsi, etc.
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[10:23] <bircoe> according to WIki the Cray-1 could compute 80 MegaFLOPS, my HTC One X running a crappy java single threaded benchmark was 147 MegaFLOPS
[10:24] <bircoe> I bet it consumed fair bit of power too!
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[10:24] <GabrialDestruir> I think it has to do with whatever is making it impossible to unload my snd-hda-intel modules...
[10:24] <bircoe> what linux distro?
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> bircoe, yup, but 20 years ago ...
[10:25] <GabrialDestruir> ubuntu
[10:25] <bircoe> have you tried booting up the live cd and seeing if sound works out of the box?
[10:25] <GabrialDestruir> Not yet, I'll have to do that tomorrow I guess, and see if the sound stays working.
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[10:27] <bircoe> scored a copy of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.2 from work today... gunna test i tout!
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[10:29] <nid0> you could score a copy of 6.3 from http://isoredirect.centos.org/centos/6/isos/x86_64/ :p
[10:30] <bircoe> but.... our linux boxes are all being changed to Red Hat from Debian... it's in my interest to get to know Red Hat!
[10:31] <nid0> (centos is rhel)
[10:31] <bircoe> but from what I see so far it's pretty similar to Ubuntu 10.04
[10:31] <yaMatt> just without the subscription fee
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[10:31] <des2> centos is the free version of rhel.
[10:31] <yaMatt> package manager is quite substantially different
[10:31] <bircoe> of course
[10:32] <yaMatt> and they put certain things in different places
[10:32] <bircoe> I use Fedora on my laptop so I'm already pretty familia with yum
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[10:32] <yaMatt> ah, yeah, they're pretty similar
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[10:40] <GabrialDestruir> A headphone jack would be analog right?
[10:40] <des2> yes
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[10:42] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if somethings changing that's forcing it to analog...
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[10:47] <des2> Is there somewhere that headphones or speaker is selected?
[10:47] <des2> Some control panel ?
[10:47] <GabrialDestruir> Not that I can find.
[10:51] <GabrialDestruir> I'm assuming HDMI would probably be the speakers since I don't have an HDMI out?
[10:51] <des2> heh. No idea what it wold do then.
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[10:57] <GabrialDestruir> Maybe I'll do just do an alsa reinstall
[10:58] <Weaselweb> GabrialDestruir: iirc there is some command to switch audio to hdmi/analog
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[10:59] <Weaselweb> GabrialDestruir: btw: this isn't windows. a reinstall won't do anything
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[10:59] <GabrialDestruir> completely removing alsa and reinstalling it should do something?
[10:59] <Davespice> folks, have we got any school teachers online?
[11:00] <Weaselweb> GabrialDestruir: what should this result in?
[11:02] <Weaselweb> GabrialDestruir: 1st hit ... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=raspberry+pi+switch+hdmi+analog+audio
[11:02] <hyde> well, even on Linux, uninstall, removing of any remaining files which may have misconfiguration, then reinstalling on "clean" system may well fix things easier, than trying to find the misconfiguration or kernel module compiled with bad options, or whatever is cause of a problem
[11:03] <Weaselweb> removing a package usually doesn't remove its config file, so a package manager can't fix pebkac.
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[11:04] <hyde> well, there's always purge
[11:04] <hyde> (at least on deb based systems)
[11:04] <hyde> after which, anything that remains, may be cause of a problem
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[11:09] <GabrialDestruir_> Okay rebooted after reinstall, working for now, guess we'll see if it lasts
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[11:15] <des2> don't touch anything...
[11:15] <GabrialDestruir_> Just playing videos on youtube to see if it cuts out
[11:18] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea it seems stable now.
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[11:22] <GabrialDestruir_> Must of been a config issue :D
[11:23] <GabrialDestruir_> must have*
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[11:25] <aaa801> What are the holes next to the gpio on the new 512 board
[11:25] <aaa801> http://imgur.com/a/b6Gx0#2
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[11:26] <GabrialDestruir_> and it just died again
[11:26] <GabrialDestruir_> well ffs
[11:27] <xranby> aaa801: TP1 TP2 etc usually indicate testpoints
[11:27] <aaa801> I dont mean the test points
[11:27] <aaa801> it looks like all the fuses to the gpio are gone
[11:27] <aaa801> http://imgur.com/a/b6Gx0#0
[11:27] <aaa801> look on the right
[11:30] <GabrialDestruir_> At this point, the only thing I can think of is that it's hardware failure for some reason.
[11:30] <des2> The 2 USB polyfuses were removed on Rev 2
[11:31] <des2> are you referring to the 8 holed parallel to the GPIO ?
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[11:33] <aaa801> yes
[11:36] <GabrialDestruir_> The new board seems to have a lot of new holes.
[11:36] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[11:36] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/09/raspberry-pi-p5-header/
[11:37] <des2> That;'s the new P5 header.
[11:37] <GabrialDestruir_> So it provides more GPIO access?
[11:37] <GabrialDestruir_> o.O
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[11:38] <gordonDrogon> yes, 4 more GPIO pins.
[11:38] <des2> 4 more GPIO and 5v and 3,3v
[11:38] <aaa801> o nice
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[11:39] <GabrialDestruir_> So what are the other ones then? I see three sets of those holes.
[11:39] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm assuming the set of 2 is Jtag?
[11:40] <des2> what are the holes you're referring to next to ?
[11:40] <aaa801> we need higher def images scotty"!
[11:40] <aaa801> the ones under the hdmi conenctor i guess
[11:40] <GabrialDestruir_> There's one marked it looks like P2 and one marked P6
[11:40] <GabrialDestruir_> the P2 is buy the coponent/stereo output
[11:40] <aaa801> that just looks like part of the power thing
[11:40] <GabrialDestruir_> while the p6 is by the hdmi
[11:41] <aaa801> extra test points maybe =/?
[11:41] <GabrialDestruir_> by*
[11:41] <des2> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/sony-rasp-pi.jpg
[11:42] <hyde> ooh, holes suitable for screws! (in the pic)
[11:42] <des2> That's TP2 - test point 2
[11:42] <des2> The rev 2 has 2 mounting holes.
[11:43] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah that's three sets... P2, P3, P6
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[11:44] <des2> P6 is a reset switch
[11:44] <des2> Shorting P6 pin 1 to P6 pin 2 will cause the BCM2835 to reset.
[11:44] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah.
[11:44] <aaa801> mhm i should of thought of that, considering its linked into the freking power thing
[11:44] <aaa801> :p
[11:45] <GabrialDestruir_> Right, I remember reading about that, but the way what I read seemed to talk I would have thought they were pins
[11:45] <GabrialDestruir_> with a jumper like you'd fine on HDD or something
[11:45] <GabrialDestruir_> find*
[11:46] <aaa801> The only thing i hate about the pi is the cheap sd connector
[11:46] <aaa801> it just breaks my dam sd cards
[11:46] <des2> yeah you have to solder your own pins there to add a switch
[11:46] <bircoe> aaa801, if you have a close look it's not linked to the power thing...
[11:47] <GabrialDestruir_> I wonder if you could wire something up so you could safely short that switch via a software command.
[11:47] <aaa801> Theres a gate called MEW on the board
[11:47] <aaa801> i like that :3
[11:48] <des2> sure you could Gabrial.
[11:48] <bircoe> you could use a transistor triggered by a GPIO to do the reset
[11:48] <bircoe> or even a relay
[11:48] <GabrialDestruir_> cause the one thing that's always bugged me about the Pi is it doesn't always reliably reset itself.
[11:49] <GabrialDestruir_> Sometimes it reboots without issue, othertimes it would hang.
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[12:00] <Jck_true> GabrialDestruir_: Never had issues with that -
[12:01] <GabrialDestruir_> I have in the past, though it seems to be less of an issue lately, so I suppose it was firmware related.
[12:02] <Jck_true> I should have brought my PI to work today - We needed a test server - And my workmate has left on a 2 weeks vacation with the keys for the server kingdom
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[12:03] <GabrialDestruir_> You mean you don't have yours set up so you can ssh into it from work?
[12:04] <Jck_true> Well i can.. But I need a fresh debian install :P
[12:04] <GabrialDestruir_> Though mine I have to actually ssh in via proxy.
[12:04] <GabrialDestruir_> No direct outside access.
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[12:07] <GabrialDestruir_> I want a self powered micro-algae lamp!
[12:07] <des2> Just get a lava lamp...
[12:08] <Jck_true> I want my DVI<->LVDS converter board :)
[12:08] <des2> heh
[12:08] <Jck_true> So i can hook up this old LCD panel
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[12:08] <aaa801> No lvds for you
[12:08] <aaa801> :)
[12:08] * aaa801 waits for his freking li-po battery pack to arrive
[12:08] <GabrialDestruir_> A self powered micro-algae lamp saves the environment :p
[12:08] <GabrialDestruir_> A lava lamp not so much.
[12:09] <aaa801> Lava lamps are cooler
[12:09] <Jck_true> I must have set up atleast 50 VM's - and now i can't remember how todo proper networking
[12:09] <Jck_true> I'm getting old :(
[12:10] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
[12:10] <diverdude> Anybody knows how long it approximately takes to drive from tampa down to everglades in Florida?
[12:10] <aaa801> googlemaps it?
[12:10] <aaa801> or if applemaps x50 for distance
[12:10] <Jck_true> 3 horus 21 mins
[12:10] <GabrialDestruir_> That's okay, I took a couple classes for A+ certificates and I remember like 2% of everything in it?
[12:11] <aaa801> Im not sure if ebay knows how to spell october
[12:11] <aaa801> Estimated delivery: Oktober 13 - Oktober 16
[12:11] <GabrialDestruir_> That's the german spelling of October?
[12:12] <Jck_true> aaa801: Right for me in denmark atleast :D
[12:12] <aaa801> Its on the uk site
[12:12] <aaa801> =/
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[12:12] <GabrialDestruir_> Dutch part too
[12:12] <aaa801> i think it depends on where you buy from
[12:13] <aaa801> some of my orders have it right , some wrong
[12:13] <aaa801> o god soooo hungry,
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[12:19] <UukGoblin> hi
[12:20] <UukGoblin> is the HDMI connector on the raspi a regular HDMI or a HDMI mini of some sort?
[12:21] <yaMatt> full size
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[12:22] <UukGoblin> thanks
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> I want a proper lava lamp.
[12:23] <SpeedEvil> but I can't find a suitable tube to hold the lava.
[12:24] <yaMatt> SpeedEvil, there are examples of people making them from 2L coke bottles
[12:24] <SpeedEvil> actual lava
[12:25] <yaMatt> ah
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[12:30] <UukGoblin> SpeedEvil, have you got the... actual lava?
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> yes
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> lots of it.
[12:33] <yaMatt> is it transportable?
[12:34] <evilbetty> lol
[12:35] <evilbetty> u need lots of heat to melt it
[12:35] <hyde> SpeedEvil: you need a diamond tube to hold the lava, and then outer tube which can be heat-resistant glass, and must be airtight, to hold non-reactive gas (CO2 is probably best for this case), so the diamon does not burn
[12:35] <hyde> alternative to diamond would be transparent tungsten, but I don't think they had that even in Star Trek ;)
[12:35] <hyde> ...maybe there's some transparent ceramic
[12:35] <SpeedEvil> hyde: I question that. certainly diamonds will withstand the temperature.
[12:35] <SpeedEvil> but they will dissolve
[12:36] <evilbetty> why do u need diamonds for a lava lamp?
[12:36] <yaMatt> hyde, you're thinking of Transparent Aluminium
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> to contain the lava.
[12:36] <evilbetty> ok
[12:36] <hyde> hmm, I think you can probably find a lava material, which will not dissolve diamond
[12:36] <hyde> it's pretty stable chemically, after all
[12:36] <SpeedEvil> sapphire is transparent aluminium
[12:36] <evilbetty> ur making a lava lamp with real lava?
[12:36] <hyde> yaMatt: transparent aluminum would melt, no good
[12:36] <buZz> awesome :P
[12:36] <buZz> hey did you guys see the printable wood?
[12:37] <des2> Printable wook ?
[12:37] <des2> wood ?
[12:37] <evilbetty> wood
[12:37] <evilbetty> isnt all wood printable?
[12:37] <evilbetty> if it has the right shape
[12:37] <SpeedEvil> I prefer my thingy is existing colour.
[12:37] <hyde> hmm, sapphire might work..
[12:38] <des2> Where is this printiable cellulose ?
[12:38] <hyde> ...of course the basic problem is, the bottle itself will be glowing too, if lava is glowing... I think it would have to be liquid-cooled, so it would stay the critical amount cooler than the lava, and not glow
[12:39] <buZz> google on laywoo-d3
[12:39] <buZz> it looks so superawesome
[12:39] <buZz> need to get my hands on a roll asap :D
[12:39] <buZz> https://grrf.de/en/catalog/spezial-material/printable-wood-fillament
[12:39] <buZz> https://grrf.de/sites/default/files/styles/uc_product_full/public/dsci0823_1.jpg
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> transparent stuff does not glow visibly.
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> much
[12:39] <hyde> SpeedEvil: have you ever seen a glass blower work on glass? :)
[12:40] <hyde> I'd say it glows...
[12:40] <evilbetty> meh
[12:40] <evilbetty> im not a fan of printable wood
[12:40] <evilbetty> looks like papier mach??
[12:40] <des2> When can we print aluminum ?
[12:41] <Datalink> buZz, what is that sawdust ad a binder?
[12:41] <SpeedEvil> hyde: glass isn't transparent at high temperatures, as it starts to electrically conduct, and it starts to become opaque. this means it can semi efficiently emit light,
[12:42] <hyde> SpeedEvil: I'm fairly certain every object emits EM radiation according to it's temperature, with nice black-body radiation curve...
[12:42] <hyde> ...which happens to peak at visible wavelengths at certain temperature range
[12:43] <SpeedEvil> that's the rub.
[12:43] <SpeedEvil> glass is not a black body.
[12:43] <hyde> ...and glowing lava is probably just in that temperature range, pretty much by definition ;)
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[12:44] <SpeedEvil> the emission is the black body radiation curve, times the emission fraction at the wavelength in question
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> so if your glass is 99% transparent, 1% absorbing at 600nm and 500c, its emission is 1% of what the black body calculation tells you
[12:45] <hyde> SpeedEvil: so, are you saying, that sapphire (or whatever non-melting transparent material) at the temperature of molten lava will not glow?
[12:45] <SpeedEvil> (at that wavelength)
[12:45] <hyde> ...but, this is getting so off-topic, that maybe we'll stop here ;)
[12:46] <hyde> ...or was the real lava lampa a RPi project?
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> hyde: not if it's actually transparent at high temps' it glows only as much as it absorbs.
[12:46] <SpeedEvil> alas not.
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[12:48] <des2> I think we should stick to regular PI controlled lava lamps
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[12:50] <SpeedEvil> :-)
[12:50] <hyde> SpeedEvil: I think no matter the material and it's surface properties, if material is certain temperature, it will emit at least some amount of thermal radiation, which can't approach zero... Otherwise you could make an object, which would not cool once you heat it up.
[12:51] <hyde> assuming you put it to vacuum
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> hyde: that's how thermoses work
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> they use very reflective materials in the far-ir, where thermal emission peaks.
[12:51] <hyde> Yes, but they still lose energy by radiation
[12:52] <hyde> just less
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[12:53] <SpeedEvil> if a surface only absorbs .5%, as can be achieves easily with polished alumni um, it emits 1/200th of the amount a 'black' surface does at the same temperature.
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> to bring this sort of back on topic, I'm wondering abut an emissivity corrected it thermometer.
[12:53] <SpeedEvil> hooked to a pi.
[12:54] <hyde> ir thermo, you mean?
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> IRC thermometer
[12:54] <SpeedEvil> yes
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[12:55] <Datalink> I've been trying to figure out how to add I2C battery monitoring circuits to one of my designs so I can watch a LiPo battery and shut down the pi at a low batt threshold
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=sapphire%20clear%20high%20temperature%20transmissivity&source=web&cd=13&cad=rja&ved=0CEEQFjACOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fscholar.lib.vt.edu%2Ftheses%2Favailable%2Fetd-05272004-000606%2Funrestricted%2FZoranaDicic_thesis7-15.pdf&ei=AD19UOa-M8bN0QWz6oA4&usg=AFQjCNEzM1lNSVUPUsheo0iZp4SsBePoBA&sig2=jQu8k5_BpgkDIR7Xi8o-rg
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> interesting
[12:55] <SpeedEvil> Datalink: do you understand how to turn the pi off?
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[12:55] <Datalink> Pi'd Piper'd be useless if it wasn't portable
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> and do you want condition monitoring, or just turn off
[12:56] <SpeedEvil> condition monitoring is easy - a comparator, hooked to the pi 3.3v regulator, and a couple of resistor dividers, going to a gpio
[12:56] <Datalink> SpeedEvil, was going to make a GPIO off condition part of shutdown
[12:57] <Datalink> that'd work too
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> when the GPio goes low, you turn off.
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[12:57] <Hydra> god damn it CPC are rubbish
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> you know you need to actively remove power from the pi, there is no 'off' ?
[12:57] <Datalink> I need a controller anyway for the console login
[12:58] <Hydra> i ordered from them on the 12th, rang them up yesterday to make sure they sent me the 512mb version, and what turns up? 256mb version without mounting holes!
[12:58] <Hydra> argh
[12:58] <Datalink> yes, gonna be using a latch gate circuit for that
[12:58] <Datalink> hydra they just issued the 512 yesterday
[12:59] <Hydra> yeah, but the lady i spoke to on the phone said i would receive a 512mb version
[12:59] <Hydra> and that i specifically requested the model b version 2 on my order too!
[12:59] <Hydra> so they failed on TWO counts
[12:59] <des2> according to Liz if you hadn't received your pi before yesterday you were getting the 512
[13:00] <des2> Who is CPC ?
[13:00] <bagpuss_thecat> Farnel
[13:00] <bagpuss_thecat> l
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> combined precision components
[13:00] <chithead> are there any 512mb rev 1? I thought not
[13:00] <Hydra> http://cpc.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/SC12590
[13:00] <des2> no
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> who were bought by Darnell
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[13:01] * bagpuss_thecat uses a low GPIO signal to warn of impending doom and loss of power to his Bifferboard as well
[13:01] <Hydra> so frustrating
[13:01] <bagpuss_thecat> poor mans ATX
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[13:02] <Datalink> thing is, I have to make this work for others, not just me, I might send a pin high on login to the Pi'd Piper's account
[13:02] <Hydra> i don't care so much about the extra ram, i just want a board with the latest pin layout so i can make sure my software works in old and new PIs
[13:02] <Sv> chithead, no
[13:03] <Datalink> hydra: GPIO implementation will be unaffected by pinout change, save the fact a couple busses got moved
[13:03] <Datalink> software wise, they're identical
[13:04] <Datalink> I need to add P5 to my design >.<
[13:05] <Datalink> eww,, P5 is in component areas and unpopulated x.x
[13:05] <des2> yes. unsoldered.
[13:06] <Datalink> makes things harder for a turn-key design like what I'm trying to do
[13:07] <des2> Apparently they intend for the connector to be soldered underneath
[13:07] <des2> not on top like P1
[13:09] <des2> "It was intended that this header is populated on the underside of the PCB so any connectors or cables do not interfere with the P1 header. "
[13:12] <Datalink> ....
[13:12] <Datalink> that's moderately annoying, so P2's going to be unusable in my design >.<
[13:12] <Datalink> er P5
[13:13] <des2> Many people were upset that P1 got soldered on because they either wanted a right angle or an underneath version.
[13:13] <Datalink> and more would be upset at a change so they put an off-grid unpopulated one on, joy
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[13:15] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, I just reolized I have Arduino libraries here, any wat to make those work in WiringPi for SPI?
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> Datalink, no idea - it shouldn't be hard to change then I'd have thought...
[13:16] <bagpuss_thecat> is the Pi officially out of development, or is the foundation still considering the current version to be a development version?
[13:17] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, never fired up Wiring yet... sadly, just abused the gpio command myself
[13:17] <Datalink> bagpuss_thecat, it's still in dev
[13:17] <Datalink> we're the beta testers!
[13:17] <Datalink> guineapig pellets and a water bottle are in the corner
[13:18] <des2> Until they release the official school version it's in development....
[13:18] <bagpuss_thecat> cool, just curious
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[13:23] <Datalink> I need to get my hands on a model A :/
[13:23] <des2> Maybe for Christmas.
[13:23] <Datalink> the bane of hardware dev, I need hardware to dev for
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[13:25] <Datalink> hm, I should look into starting to design the case for the Pi'd Piper board
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[13:34] <Datalink> hm, I really wish I knew what file to edit to add new wifi networks
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[13:41] <alcides> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone
[13:41] <hyde> hmm, how simple it is to make your own OS for RPi? Like, how much "kernel code" is required to display text (or draw pixels) and access files on the boot partition of the SD card?
[13:42] <hyde> ...and is there such a minimal OS, open source one I mean, which just does the minimum to see that it boots.
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[13:45] <hyde> think of a clone of '70s-'80s home computers, starting right to BASIC interpreter
[13:45] <SpeedEvil> hyde: the pi is a fairly bad choice for that
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> arsuino may be more appropriate
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> ardunio
[13:46] <Tachyon`> hrm, omxplayer says this divx is profile -99, still played though
[13:46] <des2> yeah it's called arch linux.
[13:46] <hyde> yeah, I didn't mean the clone thing like it'd be worth implementing, I just meant it as an example of "OS"
[13:46] <SpeedEvil> the pi does not have adequate docs
[13:46] <Tachyon`> most 70s home computer didn't start to anythign without help, lol
[13:47] <buZz> SpeedEvil: yes it does, they are in /usr/share/docs
[13:47] <hyde> well, late '70s
[13:47] * Tachyon` eyes his raspberry pi replica
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> you end up trying to reverse engineer specs from kernel code
[13:47] <Tachyon`> err
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[13:47] <des2> hyde RISCOS runs on the PI
[13:47] <Tachyon`> altair 8800*
[13:47] <hyde> first Apple IIs, for example
[13:47] <Tachyon`> even the atari from 1979 required a basic cartridge
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> buZz: docmentation on the hardware.
[13:47] <Tachyon`> the first apple ][ machiens required a monitor command to be entered to boot basic
[13:47] <Tachyon`> only the later ones autobooted into it
[13:48] <buZz> SpeedEvil: ooooooooooooo ;)
[13:48] <des2> basic in rom was a selling feature back then
[13:48] <Tachyon`> aye
[13:48] <Tachyon`> a lot fo the early IBM machines actually contained ROM basic even though the tape port was removed after the origianl PC so it was essentially unusable
[13:49] <Tachyon`> although there were disk patches for it, basica.com etc.
[13:49] <hyde> ah, found https://github.com/dwelch67/raspberrypi
[13:49] <Tachyon`> (if anyone is curious as to what it was like, find an old copy of gwbasic)
[13:49] <hyde> which seems to be pretty good answer to my question
[13:50] <Tachyon`> Gary McKinnon will /not/ be being executed, it's been decided it'll breach his human rights
[13:50] <Tachyon`> didn't expect to see the right decision on that one, particularly with the tories in, I'm pleasantly surprised
[13:51] <Tachyon`> extradited*
[13:51] <Tachyon`> although it was said he'd likely end up dead due to the stress/shock with his AS
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[13:55] <nid0> for once, bullshitty eu human rights legislation has been used to make a sensible decision
[13:57] <M0RBD> so does that mean one can rob the bank and not face the consequences?
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[14:00] <nid0> where's the similarity?
[14:00] <M0RBD> well you can claim you could not help yourself..
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[14:08] <M0RBD> nid0: some people want to free him completly, he should be tried here in the UK, if he gets completly aquitted then it sets a dangerous precedent.
[14:09] <nid0> well, whether he gets prosecuted here is entirely up to the DPP
[14:09] <M0RBD> he will, it's just a show.
[14:10] <M0RBD> they yanks are not to bothered... they got hamza
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[14:16] <Hodapp> I do remember looking around in some of the interrupts and ROMs and such on my 80486, and being rather surprised to see that it still had the BASIC ROM there.
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[14:17] <des2> Was there still a vestigal cassette port ?
[14:17] <Datalink> heh, wish I had known how to bring that up... would have been cool to play with
[14:17] <Hodapp> so much weird stuff in that ROM; just struck me as interesting how much code was there that either was rarely run, or was not even accessible
[14:18] <Hodapp> des2: pffft, no :P
[14:19] <Datalink> heh, evolution of hardware for ya
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[14:22] <FR^2> Ha, finally I've got a separate mouse and keyboard for my raspi :)
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[14:23] <kcunning> Awesome, FR^2 :) I have to admit, that was one of the first things I insisted on.
[14:23] <kcunning> Of course, I got the cheapest keyboard and mouse ever from Target :\
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[14:24] <des2> Are the keys in chinese ?
[14:25] <kcunning> No, Still alphanumeric. I splurged a bit.
[14:25] <ickmund> I'm trying to compile dahdi for asterisk use under the latest debian release on the rasppi site.
[14:26] <hyde> speaking of mouses and keyboards and RPi, has anybody seen a keyboard with a powered USB hub?
[14:26] <FR^2> kcunning: Yes, but I have two mouses and keyboards for my PC (one each at the desk and one in the living room), so a separate pair wasn't that urgent ;)
[14:26] <ickmund> I've gotten the 3.2.7 kernel headers from github, but after compiling that and dahdi, dahdi is placed under /lib/modules/3.2.27/, not 3.2.27+/... and of course doesn't work
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[14:27] <kcunning> FR^2: Ah, I see. We're a laptop house, so the only keyboard we had was one tiny one paired to our Boxee.
[14:27] <ickmund> I'm in over my head here, anyone know if these are the right kernel headers? They're under the 3.2.27 branch on github while uname -r says 3.2.27+...
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[14:30] <Datalink> kcunning, I'm using a bluetooth keyboard for my Pi, but I have a backup one that's USB
[14:31] <Datalink> the bluetooth keyboard/mouse from Thinkgeek isn't the one Adafruit sells, and is crap
[14:31] <Leestons> What's wrong with it?
[14:31] <kcunning> I'm considering getting a bluetooth one, Datalink, but I'll probably wait until I have it doing something useful. Right now, it's just running code I'll be using for a class.
[14:32] <Datalink> kcunning, it's useful to have a keyboard
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[14:33] <Leestons> I guess you could use SSH
[14:33] <Datalink> ssh is how I usually control my pi
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[14:34] <Datalink> kinda weird telling it to play a youtube vid through the yt script and having it come up on my TV
[14:34] <kcunning> Hm, there's an idea. I love our Boxee, but they broke the YouTube app and it's been driving me crazy.
[14:36] <Leestons> How does the Pi cope with youtube anyway Datalink? I haven't got around to trying it yet.
[14:36] <Datalink> kcunning, sudo youtube-dl -u
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[14:36] <Datalink> Leestons, the yt script I use just calls youtube-dl and then omxplayer -o hdmi (file)
[14:36] <Datalink> so... good
[14:36] <Datalink> omxplayer does require vram as I found out...
[14:36] * kcunning makes a note
[14:37] <Datalink> spent what, 3 weeks trying to figure out why omxplayer didn't work... turned out it was my 240/16 split
[14:37] <kcunning> I need to come up with a project for the ones I have after I teach my class.
[14:37] <Leestons> I'll be trying that out soon I think. Just looking it up.
[14:37] <Datalink> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFkwdx5Y6J0 does require changing a file
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[14:38] <_OskaR_> To run MySQL on the RPI. is there something that needs to be done for it to work ?
[14:39] <nid0> other than installing it, no
[14:39] <Datalink> _OskaR_, mysql should work fine out of the repo
[14:39] <Leestons> Hmm.... youtube on my pi or just using my netbook
[14:39] <FR^2> mysql on the raspi?!?
[14:39] <_OskaR_> ok,. thx
[14:39] <Datalink> Leestons, the whitey mod to use omxplayer means it's running on the pi's vidcore decoder
[14:39] <nid0> FR^2: works fine
[14:39] <FR^2> ooookay.. :)
[14:39] <M0RBD> FR^2: don't see why it should not work.
[14:39] <_OskaR_> its for my homeautomation server - 1-wire stuff :)
[14:40] <Datalink> though I also have the decrypter licenses for my pi, which is $5 or less
[14:40] <FR^2> _OskaR_: Oh, what do you use a mysql database for in that context?
[14:40] <Leestons> Datalink, my Pi is connected via composite video though, so I suspect it'll look terrible.
[14:40] <Datalink> _OskaR_, ah, yeah, again, sudo apt-get install mysql, you will be asked for a root password for mysql during install
[14:40] <_OskaR_> store the temperature's ..
[14:40] <Datalink> Leestons, yeah, but still, youtube on your TV
[14:40] <M0RBD> _OskaR_: should be fine
[14:40] <Leestons> I'll look into it, thanks!
[14:41] <_OskaR_> ok - il bash at it agian.. failed a handfull of times..
[14:41] <Datalink> _OskaR_, ah, yeah, that'll be fine, if you where doing say... an unoptimized wordpress then the pi'd be hammered, but slower ops like logging sensors should be well within the capabilities
[14:41] <Datalink> _OskaR_, odd...
[14:41] <nid0> using mysql for that is frankly a very inefficient way of doing that on a pi compared with using sqlite, but itll certainly work
[14:41] <_OskaR_> il get a pastbin
[14:41] <M0RBD> _OskaR_: what happened?
[14:43] <des2> Yeah I'd use a lite database on the Pi
[14:43] <FR^2> _OskaR_: Hmm. I'll store them in a round robin database
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[14:45] <Datalink> RRD or Sqlite would be a tad better, there's no reason to keep mysql in memory for short transactions, however if you're confortable with MySQL it can be run on the pi, there are just better options
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[14:47] <FR^2> _OskaR_: What software are you using for your 1-wire measurements? I'm planning to use my 1wire temperature sensors with my raspi, but I'd probably use owfs and some shell scripts together with rrd or such... very lowlevel approach...
[14:47] <Datalink> I still need to learn 1 wire stuff
[14:47] <_OskaR_> http://pastebin.com/edZs2ptY
[14:48] <_OskaR_> i am using some software from a sweed.
[14:48] <_OskaR_> homeautomation it's called
[14:48] <_OskaR_> it is a php with mysql
[14:49] <_OskaR_> then it uses a parser from owfs
[14:50] <_OskaR_> so owfs is the link into 1-wire
[14:50] <M0RBD> try sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
[14:50] <M0RBD> I think it's a redherring
[14:50] <Datalink> this stands out: [FAIL] /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full! ... failed!
[14:50] <Datalink> where is /var/lib/ mounted
[14:50] <M0RBD> Datalink: / ?
[14:50] <_OskaR_> yea but the df -h does not concurr.. could it be a write not alowed issue ?
[14:50] <Datalink> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ /etc/init.d/mysql start should be sudoed
[14:51] <Datalink> mysql start should be run as sudo
[14:51] <_OskaR_> aha but as i try to run it as root it goes tits up too.. see?
[14:51] <Datalink> sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
[14:51] <Datalink> try running that _OskaR_
[14:51] <_OskaR_> il do.
[14:51] <nid0> all you did as root was run status
[14:51] <_OskaR_> :)
[14:52] <_OskaR_> my fault yea.. hangon il gat that permutation too :)
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[14:52] <M0RBD> the error with mysql is too full is a red-herring
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[14:52] <Datalink> yeah, noticed that
[14:53] <_OskaR_> ofc that sudo from pi worked.. dho. ! thx
[14:54] <_OskaR_> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start
[14:54] <_OskaR_> [ ok ] Starting MySQL database server: mysqld already running.
[14:54] <_OskaR_> it eaven says "already " ?!?
[14:54] <nid0> guess you already started it
[14:54] <Datalink> okay then it's already running, you don't need to start it, it's probably starting on system startup
[14:54] <M0RBD> do a ps aux | grep mysql
[14:54] <_OskaR_> so it did fire up on its self trough reboot then ...odd it gives sutch dodgy replies on status
[14:55] <Datalink> _OskaR_, that is odd, I usually use service to get the info for processes though
[14:55] <Datalink> datalink@raspberrypi ~ $ sudo service ssh status
[14:55] <Datalink> [ ok ] sshd is running.
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[14:56] <buZz> ps aux works on every distro ;)
[14:56] <buZz> on every unixy system even
[14:56] <_OskaR_> yea..true. but as you see my pastbin a bit back here.. status is way of the target !
[14:56] <Datalink> buZz, this is true, pgrep -l mysql
[14:57] <buZz> pgrep is way too new ;)
[14:57] <M0RBD> buZz: indeed :P
[14:57] <buZz> you will not find that on IRIX machines
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[14:57] <Datalink> buZz, bah, it's on the pi, good enough for me
[14:57] <buZz> but its on my android aswell :P
[14:58] <Datalink> _OskaR_, that's odd, yeah, you may need to add the user debian-sys-maint to mysql to fix that
[14:58] <Datalink> though the install scripts should have done that
[14:58] <_OskaR_> yes !
[14:58] <_OskaR_> hangon il pasbin my pokes so far now.. for update..
[14:58] <Datalink> sigh, if the scripts worked right every time, help channels would be dead though :P
[14:59] <Datalink> alright
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[14:59] <_OskaR_> http://pastebin.com/D4qJJr2W
[14:59] <_OskaR_> yea hehe nice point Datalink
[14:59] <Datalink> sudo -i is equivelent to sudo su but runs the login scripts for root for you, sudo -i is basically sudo interactive, I use it now due to that, but buZz's gonna yell at me that it's too new too
[15:00] <_OskaR_> as you will spott the script is awol
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[15:02] <_OskaR_> error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' <<-- does seam something us out of whack
[15:02] <Datalink> _OskaR_, yeah, I'm not sure what to say on that... an addition of the debian-sys-maint user would be needed, but again, should have been done during install
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[15:02] <Datalink> yeah, missing user for the MySQL database
[15:02] <_OskaR_> it is installed using apt-get install.. (just to verify..) _)
[15:03] <Datalink> okay, I'd try removing, deleting the database files and reinstalling, to see if that'd fix it, though the simpler fix would be to add the missing user
[15:04] <_OskaR_> on the weezy 3.2.27+ kernel..
[15:04] <buZz> debian-sys-maint is a weird sql user ..
[15:04] <_OskaR_> Datalink, . think il do the short and bumpy.. as it is the 10th reinstall (feels like it atleast :) )
[15:05] <Datalink> _OskaR_, lemme loan you my sledge hammer then...
[15:05] <_OskaR_> just did a --purge prior to rebooting it and then poppin in here for advice..
[15:05] <Datalink> delete the database files though, it's possible one of the prior attempts put a database in that was ignored by apt-get
[15:05] <_OskaR_> non purged .. hmm yes..could be
[15:06] <Datalink> I do not remember where the MySQL database is...
[15:06] <Datalink> damnit, why did I forget that
[15:06] <_OskaR_> still i stripped this of x xorg and whatever headless dont need so
[15:06] <_OskaR_> space is not my biggest headace ...
[15:06] <_OskaR_> 8 gb card...
[15:07] <Datalink> yeah, only thing I did was disble x on startup on mine
[15:07] <Datalink> sudo raspi-config has an option for it XD
[15:07] <_OskaR_> purging some is adviced :) you can shed 50% space
[15:07] <_OskaR_> know...
[15:08] <Datalink> 16 gig card
[15:08] <Datalink> I have desktop installs that are smaller
[15:08] <_OskaR_> hehe then your spoiled "silly"
[15:08] <Datalink> pfft
[15:08] <_OskaR_> :)
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[15:09] <Datalink> I've spent 10 years optimizing distros I'm allowed to be lazy once in a while
[15:09] <_OskaR_> il look up the init.d ..
[15:09] <_OskaR_> se what it performes.. it might give a clue.. maby ?
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[15:09] <aaa801> urgha
[15:09] <aaa801> tv licensing keep on dead calling me
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[15:10] <Datalink> aaa801, yours paid?
[15:10] <aaa801> Hell no
[15:10] <aaa801> i have one but i havnt paid for it
[15:10] <Datalink> that'd be why
[15:10] <_OskaR_> . )
[15:10] <aaa801> but they should let it ring long enouth for me to pick up :@
[15:10] <_OskaR_> naa that be polite
[15:10] <Datalink> aaa801, ah, yeah that's annoying
[15:10] <_OskaR_> they want you to fel the pain .. so you pay
[15:11] <aaa801> lol
[15:11] <_OskaR_> :)
[15:11] <aaa801> Quick question
[15:11] <Datalink> everyone has those
[15:11] <aaa801> Anyone in here know the x86 asm for 64bit signed * 64bit signed = 128bit signed
[15:11] <aaa801> and the unsigned version
[15:11] <Datalink> answers, I don't have, I'm not an ASM person yet, sorry
[15:12] <_OskaR_> sorry aaa801 ,. cant help there.
[15:13] <Datalink> 64bit signed is what, a quadword?
[15:14] <Datalink> or is it a doubleword?
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[15:15] <Datalink> aaa801, you may have looked here already but http://ref.x86asm.net/ ?
[15:15] <mgottschlag> quick google search brought up http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1541426/computing-high-64-bits-of-a-64x64-int-product-in-c
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[15:16] <_OskaR_> http://pastebin.com/WtdF5cGY
[15:16] <hyde> aaa801: GNU or Intel asm syntax?
[15:16] <hyde> ...not that I remember either, just asking ;)
[15:16] <aaa801> gnu
[15:16] <_OskaR_> etc/rc0.d/ko2mysql....
[15:17] <ReggieUK> if you keep swerving the tv-licence people, they will end up sending someone round
[15:17] <ReggieUK> and eventually, you'll end up with a proper fine
[15:17] <ReggieUK> making you wish you'd paid it
[15:17] <hyde> aaa801: if you can't find out otherwise, and have 64 bit Linux handy, just make the trivial C program, and compile it to asm with GCC
[15:17] <aaa801> its for 32bit
[15:17] <ReggieUK> if you talk to them nicely, you can get them to give you a payment plan
[15:17] <aaa801> we have the 64bit asm
[15:17] <hyde> (remember to use volatile keyword, so compiler does not optimize the calculation away)
[15:17] <Datalink> _OskaR_, rc0 is the shutdown scripts, rc2 is startup
[15:17] <_OskaR_> yea after a few bounced calls you are put on the door knock list.. aaa801
[15:18] <aaa801> urgha *stashs the openbox in the roof*
[15:18] <_OskaR_> ffs. yes ofc..
[15:18] <ReggieUK> which will result in you paying something silly like ??13.20/??3.30 a week
[15:18] <nid0> why would you need to talk to them nicely for a payment plan, you can pay it monthly anyway
[15:18] <ReggieUK> ??13.20/mo
[15:18] <hyde> aaa801: aaa... well, same applies, just find 32 bit linux ;) Or see if 64 bit gcc supports 32 bit compiling
[15:18] <ReggieUK> it depends how much he's been swerving them
[15:19] <aaa801> the compiler lacks the actual 128bit type for 32bit mode
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[15:19] <ReggieUK> and how much you currently owe them
[15:19] <aaa801> i owe em like ?40
[15:19] <aaa801> i just moved into this place
[15:19] <aaa801> they can screw off for a couple months :P
[15:19] <aaa801> hell i cant even get the bbc channels atm because my sattelite box hasnt got the updated frequency list
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[15:20] * M0RBD does not even own a TV
[15:20] <hyde> in Finland, starting from 2013, we will have this wonderful "State TV company tax" replace the old TV license fee... no matter if you have TV or not
[15:20] <JamesHarrison> Pay your license fee, damnit! That's my salary you're not paying for!
[15:20] * Datalink does not live in a TV license country
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[15:21] <M0RBD> hyde: perkele
[15:21] <nid0> how much is your salary that I *am* paying for, or is that private :<
[15:21] <JamesHarrison> Datalink: you have my sympathies
[15:21] <jui-feng> oh hyde, that's interesting. germany will switch from "no need to pay if you can prove there is no TV/radio/computer in your household" to "every household MUST pay!"
[15:21] <aaa801> PAY YOU MUST
[15:21] <JamesHarrison> nid0: you can FOI it I'm sure...
[15:21] <Datalink> JamesHarrison, I have a friend who's given me a BBC proxy, his license is paid up... I'd pay one too if I could get iPlayer access
[15:22] <hyde> jui-feng: in Finland it is, every person must pay (low enough income have lowered or no fee)
[15:22] <kim_bruning> Ohai from my spiffy new raspberry pi :-)
[15:22] <hyde> ...so a Family will generally pay double for a single househould
[15:22] <M0RBD> Actually, TV license only applies to live transmissions... You can perfectly and legally watch recorded ones..
[15:22] <JamesHarrison> Datalink: Yeah, not my department, it's a shame there's no external-to-the-UK support given how many people proxy up
[15:22] <kwixson> kim_bruning: Welcome young pi
[15:22] <InControl> Don't have a TV here
[15:23] <kim_bruning> Can't find this info on the raspberry pi FAQ (but you probably get this question every 10 minutes), errr, how do I get hardware accelerated video working?
[15:23] <M0RBD> InControl: TV is overrated
[15:23] <kim_bruning> thanks kwixson :-)
[15:23] <M0RBD> :P
[15:23] <Datalink> JamesHarrison, I bet the BBC server industry skyrocketed when the olympics where being so poorly covered by NBC
[15:23] <InControl> so TV licensing can go and take their letters and shove them where the sun doesn't shine
[15:23] <jui-feng> hyde, I am actually supposed to pay as well right now, because only married couples are allowed to pay one fee for the whole family. I live with my partner, but since we're not married, we should pay twice. We only pay one fee though.. and starting from 2013, that's perfectly legal :D
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> the Olympic videos are still up!
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[15:23] <SpeedEvil> or they wew a couple of weeks ago.
[15:23] * kim_bruning in my defence, DID check for an faq in the channel topic too befoer asking.
[15:23] <Datalink> JamesHarrison, I've legitimately looked at the license fees, but they don't accept US addresses :P
[15:23] <kim_bruning> before
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[15:24] <SpeedEvil> I recomment the women's springboard competition,
[15:24] <nid0> isnt the US supposed to be getting ad-supported iplayer content sometime soon?
[15:24] <M0RBD> InControl: They can come to my house... I give them some tea and cookies and show they mine stamp collection...
[15:24] <Datalink> nid0, I'd rather pay the fees than be the product...
[15:24] <InControl> I like chasing them off personally as I find their attitude unacceptable
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> Datalink: same way I'd quite like a Google subscription
[15:25] <InControl> they assume you must have a TV and want you to prove that you don't
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[15:25] <_OskaR_> http://pastebin.com/btHpEKVB - /etc/rc2.d/S03mysql
[15:25] <hyde> aaa801: google "x86 long multiply" at least first hit for me is to a stackoverflow question with seemingly good answer
[15:25] <InControl> well sorry but that is backwards
[15:25] <InControl> if you think I have a TV prove it!
[15:25] <hyde> aaa801: ...in intel syntax, but converting should be trivial
[15:25] <SpeedEvil> having a TV installed that you d not use is quite OK
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[15:26] <M0RBD> InControl: the BBC actually only gets 11% of its income from TV licensing
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> you only commit an offence if you watch a live TV broadcast from a licences TV operator.
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> licences
[15:26] <SpeedEvil> d
[15:26] <M0RBD> SpeedEvil: true
[15:26] <InControl> A TV Licence is only required for VIEWING real time TV
[15:26] <nid0> or recording it
[15:26] <nid0> in the uk at least
[15:27] <InControl> not owning equipment capable of receiving TV
[15:27] <kim_bruning> ok, found it, omxplayer only. h.264 only ?
[15:28] <InControl> so using on-line catch-up services does not require a licence
[15:28] <InControl> Sorry, TV Licensing people are my pet hate
[15:29] <kim_bruning> who still has a tv?
[15:29] <nid0> M0RBD: wherever you got that figure from is totally wrong
[15:29] <InControl> If the BBC are so convinced that their content is good enough to stand up then make BBC services a subscription service and see how many people bother
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[15:30] <jui-feng> InControl, BBC is pretty nice compared to german "GEZ"-powered television
[15:30] <InControl> TV is so last millennium.
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[15:30] <InControl> Yes the BBC is quite good to be fair
[15:31] <ReggieUK> the bbc is decidedly average imho
[15:31] <ickmund> anyone gotten dahdi to work on the pi?
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[15:31] <huene> yeah, GEZ really sucks
[15:31] <InControl> but making everyone pay if they want it or not and harass people who don't isn't on
[15:31] <huene> like GEMA
[15:32] <ReggieUK> they do do some good stuff on certain things but for the most part, they're not all things to all people and that's what they want to be
[15:32] <nid0> so actually jump through the really small hoop and declare that you dont need a license, and you wont get hassled
[15:32] <nid0> they contact you once every 2 years to ask if your circumstances have changed
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[15:33] <InControl> No they don't they insist on sending an inspector to see if you are telling the truth, so my answer is F off
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[15:33] <jui-feng> AFAICT, BBC has better content and is cheaper than german state TV. so stop complaining already. :D
[15:33] <InControl> they come to the door they are greeted with a door shut in their face
[15:33] <M0RBD> nid0: I might have got my numbers wrong...
[15:34] <nid0> M0RBD: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/annualreport/pdf/bbc_executive_2011_12.pdf - page 2-62, shows licensing revenue was 70.9% of total for y/e 31/03/2012
[15:34] <_OskaR_> Datalink - do you have some idea why sudo /etc/init.d/mysql status gives error "access denied for user 'debina-sys-maint'@'localhost' BUT . sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start gives [ok] Starting MySQL database server: mysql already running. ??
[15:34] <ReggieUK> jui-feng, how much do you pay for that state tv?
[15:34] <InControl> I told them I don't watch TV and therefore have no need for a licence but they won't thake your word for it
[15:34] <InControl> It is the presumption that you are ling that I am complaining about
[15:35] <InControl> I don't care how much it costs as people who want it can pay and people who don't, don't have to.
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[15:35] <jui-feng> ReggieUK, it's not *really* state TV ("public-law"), it's 215,76 EUR per year
[15:36] <nid0> maybe you just have a shifty voice on the phone, my mum cancelled her tv license some time ago and they never visited her
[15:36] <JamesHarrison> _OskaR_: because debina-sys-maint isn't the right username for the debian system account?
[15:36] <InControl> It is the presumption that you must have a TV and so must be lying that drives me nuts.
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[15:36] <JamesHarrison> _OskaR_: it's configured in /etc/mysql/debian-something-or-other iirc
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[15:37] <Datalink> _OskaR_, because you can start MySQL without having to log into it
[15:37] <JamesHarrison> InControl: They have TV detectors, duh
[15:37] <_OskaR_> aha.. so a cfg eror OR an install scrpit error... ?
[15:37] <Datalink> sorry, I'm a tad busy trying to travel across Madison WI
[15:37] <InControl> Yea right and I have magic powers to
[15:37] <JamesHarrison> InControl: (I am joking)
[15:37] <Datalink> JamesHarrison, they actually did back in the CRT days
[15:38] <InControl> yes they did, but not now
[15:38] <JamesHarrison> Datalink: Yeah, I know. :)
[15:38] <InControl> that is why there has never been a case that has used tv detector as evidence in court
[15:38] <JamesHarrison> Nice and easy to spot the RF emenations from those CRTs
[15:38] <JamesHarrison> emanations*
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[15:39] <InControl> because they would be cross examined by an expert and would have to prove their technology works, which they couldn't do.
[15:39] <Datalink> http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/10/31/bbc-admits-that-tv-d.html
[15:40] <InControl> The point is that the TV licensing is broken
[15:40] <_OskaR_> # etc/mysql/ has debian-start & debian.cnf & my.cnf
[15:40] <InControl> They have no way of detecting if someone is watching
[15:40] <ReggieUK> that reminds me of the young ones
[15:40] <InControl> they have no rights to enter you property
[15:40] <InControl> so they are shafted
[15:41] <ReggieUK> vivien eats the TV when the detector guys show up
[15:41] <InControl> easy soloution, make it a subscription service
[15:41] <Datalink> heh, non-free to air
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[15:42] <InControl> it isn't free to air anyway it is fee to air
[15:42] <Datalink> yeah
[15:42] <aaa801> yay ive got 80 quid going out of my acc on the 24th of december
[15:42] <aaa801> lucky me
[15:42] <IT_Sean> What for?
[15:43] <M0RBD> I have a sign on the door that says "House protected by Smith & Wesson"
[15:43] <Datalink> at the same time, the BBC has programming good enough that you have people like me who are trying to export the TV 'illigally'
[15:43] <nid0> how is that an easy solution, I dont want to have to arse around having an authenticated box under my tellies, having to login to all my iplayer clients all the time, logging into the bbc news website, having some magic radio in the car that can pick up the subscription radio service, etc etc
[15:43] <aaa801> tv license..
[15:43] <Datalink> M0RBD, yeah, UK wouldn't allow that, pistols or riffles aren't legal unless licensed for hunting
[15:43] <InControl> yes it is dumb that the BBC don't have a worldwide subscription service
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[15:43] <InControl> but that is partly due to dumb content providers
[15:43] <M0RBD> Datalink: hehe I'm in UK :P
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[15:44] <Datalink> M0RBD, and you have a gun? how?
[15:44] <InControl> who live in the old economy where different territories pay seperately
[15:44] <Datalink> ugh, yeah, regional DVDs
[15:44] * Caver checks he joined the right channel
[15:44] <_OskaR_> aha.. so a cfg eror OR an install scrpit error... ?
[15:45] <_OskaR_> # etc/mysql/ has debian-start & debian.cnf & my.cnf
[15:45] <M0RBD> Datalink: not anymore... but in the past completly legally ... No further comments..
[15:45] <M0RBD> :P
[15:45] <Datalink> M0RBD, oh hey, grandfathered weapon, nice
[15:45] * aaa801 hushs cav
[15:45] <M0RBD> Datalink: nope ex-profession related.
[15:46] <Datalink> M0RBD, ah
[15:46] * InControl this cahnnel is now called blow a raspberry at the TV licence
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[15:46] <des2> Heh.
[15:46] * Killerkid (~l1am9111@unaffiliated/killerkid) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[15:46] <des2> Now about those codec licenses...
[15:47] <Datalink> I paid mine...
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> Hm. just put a PCB through the ultrasonic cleaner then dried it in the oven... didn't make it any cleaner. wish I still have 1:1:1 )-:
[15:47] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, ick
[15:47] <Datalink> gordonDrogon, my tactic is traditionally to use 91% iso
[15:47] <InControl> surgical spirit works
[15:48] <Datalink> isopropal alcohol, like I said
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'll just not bother. Never had any issues in the past leaving flux on the boards.
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[15:50] <_OskaR_> Datalink - do you have some idea why sudo /etc/init.d/mysql status gives error "access denied for user 'debina-sys-maint'@'localhost' BUT . sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start gives [ok] Starting MySQL database server: mysql already running. ??
[15:50] <InControl> rosin flux doesn't seem to do any harm
[15:50] <dirty_d> yes the strong iso works very nice
[15:51] <dirty_d> no harm, i just dont like it all sticky
[15:51] <_OskaR_> http://pastebin.com/gspKfzCU
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[15:52] <_OskaR_> contents of /mysql/debian-start & my.cnf
[15:53] <_OskaR_> opss sory for my rebuzz at Data.. not intended.
[15:54] <Datalink> _OskaR_, I said, the user isn't needed to start the task
[15:54] <_OskaR_> ah. so i might be "ok".. as it is now then..
[15:55] <Datalink> yeah, but it won't be able to stat the process right without the user
[15:56] <_OskaR_> hmm...
[15:56] <_OskaR_> il see what php thinks of the current
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[15:59] <InControl> lol funniest spam I have had for a while, vintage tractor spares
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> makes a change from vintage tractor girls.. (no, don't google it)
[15:59] <Comet> grow your tractor size!
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[16:00] <Caver> *can't resist* ... *phoor*
[16:00] <Caver> look at the treads on that ...
[16:01] <JamesHarrison> InControl: I keep getting spam for 10GigE DWDM modules and Cisco route processor cards
[16:01] <JamesHarrison> bit bizzare, really
[16:01] <Caver> clearly a man of good taste then
[16:02] <JamesHarrison> I'm just not sure how the spammers figured that out
[16:03] <JamesHarrison> it's eerily accurate
[16:03] <Caver> probably time to start removing cookies
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[16:03] <Caver> remember to do the flash cookies too
[16:03] <Datalink> JamesHarrison, your porn habbits scare me
[16:03] <IT_Sean> O_o
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[16:03] <Datalink> IT_Sean, you made that joke so worth it... haha
[16:03] * Caver considers poor taste "rack" jokes ....
[16:06] * JamesHarrison deletes his browser history
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[16:06] <Caver> of course you just need a R Pi, running TOR, and you'll be able to view those "special" websites with impunity
[16:07] <[7]> rpi confirmed working (with ethernet) at as low as 3.4V :)
[16:07] <Datalink> [7], that scares me... on some levels, does USB work?
[16:07] <odin_> it might not work (with everyones ethernet) at that low voltage
[16:08] <Datalink> I'd think the regulator'd cause issues
[16:08] <[7]> well vbus is only 3.4V of course, but it will work with devices that accept that (or have other power sources)
[16:08] <Datalink> fun
[16:08] <[7]> yeah, the 3v3 regulator is what will cause problems first
[16:08] * Datalink hates waiting for busses... sighs
[16:08] <[7]> which is why I bypassed that :P
[16:08] <Datalink> yeah, since those usually drop 1.7v
[16:08] <Datalink> nice
[16:08] <Datalink> dangerous but nice
[16:09] <[7]> the rpi 3v3 regulator drops ~1.1V
[16:09] <JamesHarrison> Datalink: I know, right? At least i2c is pretty snappy so it's only a slow delay till you get another clock edge...
[16:09] <JamesHarrison> (I'll get my coat)
[16:09] <[7]> and the 3.3V circuitry works down to about 2.8V
[16:09] <[7]> so that puts the limit at 3.9V usually
[16:09] <Datalink> JamesHarrison, I wish... Madison Metro actually, which has terrible latency
[16:09] <Datalink> could be worse, the bus is on time...
[16:09] <[7]> but I've added an ultra-low-dropout (basically zero at no load, 200mV at 300mA) regulator to the expansion header to take care of this :)
[16:10] <nid0> JamesHarrison: obvious question, is your email address a plus.com address?
[16:10] <Caver> Datalink, yes but huge bandwidth
[16:10] <JamesHarrison> nid0: No.
[16:10] <Datalink> Caver, yeah, that's true
[16:10] <JamesHarrison> nid0: I run my own mailserver/domain, tend not to get any spam that gets past some aggressive filters
[16:10] <Datalink> not as good as London's busses though
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[16:11] * Datalink pulls up the system map
[16:12] <Caver> Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. ???Tanenbaum, Andrew S. (1996)
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[16:12] <Datalink> Caver, still very true, I actually am going to write a backbone doc on using couriers with TB hard drives
[16:13] <Caver> hehe I presume you know http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
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[16:14] <Datalink> IPoAC, yeah
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[16:16] <Datalink> whee, the bus I need is scheduled to head to the Garrage... I have to wait another 10 minutes >.<
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[16:17] <Datalink> Caver, I had debated "IPoHHD" "IP over Hurled Hard Drive" though that may be dated as SSDs become more common and larger...
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[16:17] <Datalink> then again it would be a good use for those retired hard drives
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[16:17] <Caver> not to mention probably more reliable after being hurled
[16:17] <Datalink> yeah
[16:18] <Datalink> my plan was to work out a trebuchet as a launch carrier... though I have also considered less... violent... methods like handing it to a courier of some sort
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[16:18] <Datalink> Sneakernet on steroids... basically
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[16:20] <Datalink> the fastest bandwidth would honestly be a FedEx shipment of TB+ size hard drives...
[16:20] <Datalink> well, okay there are more reliable transit methods
[16:21] <Caver> aha ... the Lance Armstrong approach
[16:21] <Caver> well with the right doping ...
[16:21] <Datalink> I've worked out everything except the deceleration problem
[16:21] <Caver> hmm
[16:22] <Datalink> hard disk+trebuchet
[16:22] <Caver> how about a catching trebuchet the far end?
[16:22] <_OskaR_> Datalink i did the /usr/bin/mysql_secure_installation no flukes or burps so seams its sane. mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.5.24, for debian-linux-gnu (armv7l) using readline 6.2
[16:22] <Datalink> mn, maybe... but that may not work out ideally... I've considered nets...
[16:23] <Datalink> _OskaR_, did it help?
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[16:23] <_OskaR_> not 100% sure .. but fine thus far. setting up the parser and php.. will know in a while as data is parsed
[16:23] <_OskaR_> or not..
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[16:25] <Caver> like the famous quote about the best internet connection to use to store over-night backups of 660GB each night... "FedEx"
[16:25] <Caver> another varient
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[16:26] <Datalink> blah, hibernate time, laptop's out of juice
[16:26] <Caver> aha ... fit them with little parachutes, with a Pi and a GPS/altimeter
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[16:27] <Datalink> haha, yeah, or an AVR of the same thing... but the Pi'd be better
[16:27] <Datalink> laptop's dying, gotta eitehr plug in or hibernate, not in a spot I can plug in at, so later folks
[16:27] <Caver> see at some level all problems can be solved with Pi
[16:27] <Caver> ok see you!
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[16:29] <FR^2> 355/113 :)
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[16:31] <Caver> ??
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[16:36] <Milos> Do we still need to use imagetool-uncompressed.py or can we just use zImage now?
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[16:47] <passstab> i ordered from MCM
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[16:47] <passstab> before 512 announce
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[16:48] <passstab> it hasn't shipped yet
[16:49] <cerjam> 512 sux. its going to take forever to get another one now =(
[16:49] <passstab> i just noticed the site lists RPI 256 and RPI 512 as separate products
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[16:50] <passstab> but according to http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2180
[16:50] <passstab> "If you have an outstanding order with either distributor, you will receive the upgraded device in place of the 256MB version you ordered."
[16:51] <passstab> can anyone confirm this?
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[16:52] <Leestons> Posted by Eben so I don't see how it couldn't be correct passstab
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[16:55] <Caver> I guess if you wanted to be sure, cancel and reorder
[16:55] <Caver> that ought to make certain you get a 512 model
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[16:56] <Nik05> can i order a new raspberrypi at RS Components without a email from RS?
[16:56] <Nik05> i now got a 256MB one :P
[16:56] <Nik05> oldskool :D
[16:57] <Caver> what country are you in?
[16:57] <Caver> I might say that Tandy if you can get it delivered
[16:57] <GabrialDestruir_> Supposedly as long as your order isn't still on the distributor floor you'll get a 512 version from now on
[16:57] <Caver> or Farnel if not, as they do seem faster
[16:57] <GabrialDestruir_> is still on*
[16:58] <passstab> i just called mcm
[16:58] <passstab> she said i will get the new model
[16:58] <Caver> cool
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[16:59] <Nik05> can i buy the rpi at Farnell or RS with direct bank order or something?
[16:59] <Nik05> i dont have a creditcar
[16:59] <Leestons> Could get a pre-paid?
[17:00] <Nik05> a pre-paid creditcard?
[17:00] <Caver> no debit card?
[17:00] <Leestons> Yeah Nik05
[17:00] <Nik05> i have a debit card
[17:00] <Caver> yeah
[17:00] <Leestons> I only have a debit card and bought a pi
[17:00] <Caver> debit card is usually fine
[17:00] <Nik05> im from the netherlands...
[17:00] <Nik05> debit card is not going to work
[17:01] <[SLB]> in any case you could possibly link the debit card to paypal and buy thru it
[17:01] <passstab> the suppliers should be on this channel
[17:01] <linuxstb> Nik05: I would recommend Farnell over RS - RS are very slow at delivering (measured in months). Farnell normally ship within a few days.
[17:01] <[SLB]> unless it's some kind of debit card i don't know like octopus in hong kong
[17:01] <Caver> *agreed*
[17:02] <Slippern> http://www.hardware.no/artikler/raspberry-pi-far-mer-minne/113589 firmware update to get 512mb ram? wtf..
[17:02] <Nik05> ok thanks linuxstb
[17:02] <GabrialDestruir_> Off Topic - So they found out that DNA only has a half life of about 6.5 Million years.... so if you were ever worried we might have a velociraptor invasion you can set your worries to ease.
[17:02] <Slippern> http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hardware.no%2Fartikler%2Fraspberry-pi-far-mer-minne%2F113589
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[17:03] <Caver> I suspect it's a miss-translation ... it means there is a new hardware version of the Pi, and that there is a new firmware that works with the larger 512M ram
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[17:03] <Nik05> the farnell site isnt working...
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[17:04] <Nik05> when i click order now, it asked for country
[17:04] <GabrialDestruir_> Well the translation does make it seem like all Pi's have this hidden potential to just switch to 512 xD
[17:04] <Nik05> and when i then click Order now it goes back to the first page
[17:04] <Slippern> yes :P
[17:04] <Leestons> I think you should email them, I'm sure they can help.
[17:04] <passstab> iirc the English does also
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[17:04] <ReggieUK> GabrialDestruir_, they do, all you need to make it happen is some heat, a steady hand and a 512MB pop ram chip
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[17:05] <GabrialDestruir_> I mean with just a firmware update :p
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[17:05] <GabrialDestruir_> I imagine they'll have a firmware update which allows both both the 256 b-model and the 512 b-model to run off the same firmware...
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[17:05] <GabrialDestruir_> which is probably what it means
[17:06] <linuxstb> Nik05: It works for me (choosing NL). Start here - http://export.farnell.com/rp/order/
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[17:07] <GabrialDestruir_> I'd be careful using export.... it took me like three weeks to get them to honor the pricing point set by the foundation.
[17:07] <Caver> really?
[17:07] <Caver> hmm was ok for me
[17:08] <linuxstb> Nik05: But it looks like they only accept Visa/Mastercard/Amex. I'm guessing your debit card doesn't have a VISA or Mastercard symbol?
[17:08] <GabrialDestruir_> Mhm, they charged me extra.... and it took three weeks for them to finally come back and say... "Oh well.... we can knock down your pricing by like 18 bucks which brings it to 42USD"
[17:09] <linuxstb> GabrialDestruir_: So you paid in USD?
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[17:09] <Nik05> correct linuxstb
[17:09] <GabrialDestruir_> It was the only way I could order mine at the time.
[17:09] <Nik05> its Maestrocard or something
[17:09] <GabrialDestruir_> Yes.
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[17:10] <Caver> Maestro is I think Mastercard at heart ... so try it
[17:10] <GabrialDestruir_> Actually I suspect it was paid in pounds, and the conversion is tossed in there somewhere.
[17:10] <Caver> did you get the money back in the end?
[17:10] <Caver> yeah mine was ??29.something
[17:10] <Caver> which was about what I was expecting
[17:11] <GabrialDestruir_> But they wanted to charge me the equivalent of like 45 bucks for the Rpi itself, and then another 15 or something for "Royal Air Mail Shipping"
[17:11] <Leestons> Ouch
[17:11] <Nik05> Caver Mastercard is the owner of Maestro card its not the same
[17:11] <Caver> sniggers for that much I want the jet to land in my road
[17:11] <Nik05> cant use it
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[17:12] <Caver> nod
[17:12] <Nik05> i need to ask my bank for a Visa/Mastercard
[17:12] <Caver> thats annoying
[17:12] <GabrialDestruir_> But this was after the Rpi foundation had made the deal with Element 14 to make the deliver price to the US 42USD, it took like a dozen emails and I think three different reps before they finally refunded the extra money.
[17:12] <Caver> or perhaps get a pre-paid Visa card ... they are very useful for this kind of thing
[17:13] <GabrialDestruir_> Prepaid could work.
[17:13] <GabrialDestruir_> As long as you know what you're expected to pay
[17:14] <Nik05> ok a Mastercard is EUR 3.60 per quarter for me :P
[17:14] <Leestons> I had a long wait for my Pi because of the backlog, it was worth every minute.
[17:14] <Nik05> i think or per month wait i dont know
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[17:15] <Caver> ouch ... seems expensive
[17:15] <Nik05> lol :P
[17:16] <GabrialDestruir_> Make a paypal payment to someone you trust that has a Master/Visa card and do it that way?
[17:16] <GabrialDestruir_> lol
[17:17] <Caver> want to buy my old 256Mb one?
[17:17] <Caver> do you good deal? :P
[17:17] <Nik05> Caver that offer is for me or?
[17:17] <Nik05> cause i have a 256MB one ;)
[17:17] <Caver> rats!
[17:17] <Nik05> someone else paid it for me with his mastercard :p
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[17:18] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm thinking from now on 512 is better anyways, I already have 2 256MB ones, I'm thinking I'm going to try and turn one into a postbox/weatherstation type thing
[17:18] <Nik05> :P
[17:19] <GabrialDestruir_> Haven't figured out the power yet.
[17:19] <Nik05> i only have 10MB free ram left
[17:19] <Nik05> (152MB cached... but ok :P)
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[17:20] <GabrialDestruir_> Only 10MB?
[17:20] <Nik05> yes
[17:20] <Nik05> but 152MB cached :p
[17:20] <Nik05> so that 162MB free
[17:20] <GabrialDestruir_> Danger Will Robinson Danger! Memory resources low!
[17:20] <GabrialDestruir_> >.>
[17:20] <Caver> but surely thats normal
[17:20] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
[17:20] <Caver> as the cache will shrink as programs need more room
[17:20] <Nik05> irssi is using 3.4% :O, fail2ban 2.6%
[17:21] <Caver> it's pointless the kernel not using all the ram in the system for something if it can :)
[17:21] <Nik05> and thats everything thats running lol
[17:21] <Nik05> but i dont know why fail2ban is using 2.6% mem
[17:21] <Milos> How do I use turbo mode without messing with rasbpi-config, I don't use raspbian, I use Gentoo...
[17:22] <Milos> Shouldn't there be a config.txt parameter?
[17:22] <GabrialDestruir_> Manually edit your config text
[17:22] <Milos> Yeah, and set what?
[17:22] <Caver> http://elinux.org/RPi_config.txt
[17:22] <Milos> Yeah...
[17:22] <Milos> I've done all of that.
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[17:22] <GabrialDestruir_> Not really sure, I've used rasp-config as a basis for my overclocking of openelec
[17:22] <GabrialDestruir_> it seems like it'd be a universal tool.
[17:23] <Milos> It's really quite unclear.
[17:23] <Caver> force_turbo=1 ought to do it
[17:23] <Milos> It gives options to "force" turbo mode.
[17:23] <Milos> I just want to enable dynamic overclocking, I don't want to force anything.
[17:23] <GabrialDestruir_> force_turbo=1 will force your RPi to use over the 6 mark
[17:23] <Milos> And plus, cat /proc/cpuinfo always spits out 700MHz.
[17:24] <GabrialDestruir_> You have to set a arm_clock to begin with
[17:24] <GabrialDestruir_> and then a minimum
[17:24] <GabrialDestruir_> and it should do it automatically
[17:24] <Caver> http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Quick_Install_Guide#Overclocking explains it better than I can
[17:24] <Milos> "Default 700"
[17:25] <Milos> Why would I have to set a minimum if there's already a default set at 700?
[17:25] <Milos> Caver, oh good, I must have missed htat.
[17:25] <GabrialDestruir_> arm_freq=800
[17:25] <Milos> Why would I use 800 when I've been using 1100 before they made the annoying firmware change :P
[17:25] <GabrialDestruir_> A minimum would be the lowest it'll go when using dynamic
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[17:25] <GabrialDestruir_> Just an example -.-
[17:26] <GabrialDestruir_> If you set arm_freq=1100 then it should use 1100
[17:26] <Milos> You'd think you shouldn't go lower than 700, huh...
[17:26] <dirty_d> you just need to set arm_freq, core_freq, sdram_freq, over_voltage for the dynamic scaling to work
[17:26] <dirty_d> i used 1000, 500, 500, 6
[17:26] <GabrialDestruir_> and it should dynamically change after that, it won't use 1100 unless under stress, otherwise it'll drop down
[17:26] <dirty_d> works great
[17:27] <Milos> What's all I had before, so how does it make it dynamic if I manually told it all the values to use?
[17:27] <dirty_d> Milos, those are max
[17:27] <Milos> Ah, right.
[17:27] <GabrialDestruir_> Because that's how the new firmware works.
[17:27] <Milos> And force_turbo means it will always use it?
[17:27] <dirty_d> it will be at the defaults until its under high load
[17:27] <Milos> Like the old firmware?
[17:27] <Caver> assuming you have new enough binary blob that supports it
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[17:27] <Milos> I think I get their new changes.
[17:27] <GabrialDestruir_> force_turbo means it'll use 6 for over_voltage all the time
[17:27] <Milos> Right.
[17:28] <GabrialDestruir_> or above 6
[17:28] <GabrialDestruir_> something
[17:28] <GabrialDestruir_> either way force_turbo will violate your warranty
[17:28] <Milos> I violated my warranty when I received my raspberry pi several months ago.
[17:29] <Caver> :)
[17:29] <Milos> They made annoying changes to the firmware by changing the functionality without changing the name of the parameters.
[17:29] <Milos> They have a "freq" and a "freq_min" obviously the former means nothing.
[17:29] <ReggieUK> isn't there an indication in /proc/cpuinfo as to whether you've voided your warranty?
[17:29] <GabrialDestruir_> force_turbo=0 it says that'll enable dynamic scaling
[17:30] <Milos> Yeah, I understand now.
[17:30] <Milos> It took me a while.
[17:30] <linuxstb> ReggieUK: It's one of the high bits in the serial number IIRC
[17:30] <Milos> ReggieUK, linuxstb, I didn't know that.
[17:30] <GabrialDestruir_> enables dynamic clocks and voltage for the ARM core, GPU core and SDRAM. When busy, ARM frequency go up to "arm_freq" and down to "arm_freq_min" on idle. "core_freq", "sdram_freq" and "over_voltage" behave the same. "over_voltage" is limited to 6 (1.35V). Non default values for the h264/v3d/isp parts are ignored.
[17:30] <linuxstb> ReggieUK: Scrap that, it's in the Revision field I think.
[17:30] <Milos> Revision : 1000002
[17:30] <GabrialDestruir_> Ah.
[17:30] <GabrialDestruir_> Interesting
[17:30] <Caver> I'm trying to remember there, is a command that actually gives you the current ARM core speed
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[17:31] <gordonDrogon> that's a Pi that's been overvolted.
[17:31] <Milos> Caver, well if there is, I'd love to know it.
[17:31] <dirty_d> i voided my warranty long ago
[17:31] <dirty_d> 50% more performance is well worth risking $35
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[17:31] <Milos> gordonDrogon, what's the magic to reading the value?
[17:31] <GabrialDestruir_> Uhm
[17:31] <GabrialDestruir_> give me a second
[17:31] <Milos> Overvolting your pi like a maniac is well worth $35.
[17:31] <Milos> You can always buy more.
[17:31] <dirty_d> yup
[17:32] <_OskaR_> just plunge it in babyoil first :)
[17:32] <Milos> :P
[17:32] <ReggieUK> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[17:32] <Milos> Yes?
[17:32] <Milos> Revision : 1000002
[17:32] <GabrialDestruir_> it's like vcgencmd measure_clock arm
[17:32] <GabrialDestruir_> Well.... sudo vcgencmd measure_clock arm
[17:32] <Milos> On...raspbian?
[17:32] <Caver> http://www.elinux.org/RPI_vcgencmd_usage
[17:32] <GabrialDestruir_> No, that should be on all distros
[17:33] <Milos> Er. :P
[17:33] <Milos> Why would /opt/vc/ exist on all distros?
[17:33] <_OskaR_> Hardware : BCM2708
[17:33] <_OskaR_> Revision : 0003
[17:33] <GabrialDestruir_> It's related to the firmware?
[17:33] <Milos> I assume it's a binary file I can download.
[17:33] <Milos> Firmware is in /boot/.
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[17:34] <GabrialDestruir_> Yea well when you update the firmware it gets added from my understanding.
[17:34] <Caver> it might not, but I'm sure you can install it somehow
[17:34] <Milos> It doesn't get added :)
[17:34] <Milos> I update the firmware by overwriting the files in /boot from github.
[17:35] <Milos> And yeah, probably.
[17:35] <Milos> Thanks for the tips, I'll look into getting it from somewhere.
[17:35] <Caver> happy to help
[17:36] <GabrialDestruir_> What rpi-update doesn't work on gentoo?
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> if the revision has 1000000 added to it, it's been overvolted.
[17:36] <Caver> well it might if it is a package you can emerge
[17:36] <Milos> I wouldn't ever use it; personal preference.
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[17:36] <Caver> not sure if it exists or not
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[17:36] <Milos> I like to do things manually so I know what's going on.
[17:36] <Milos> gordonDrogon, thanks for that.
[17:38] <GabrialDestruir_> Will I assume you're downloading the firmware straight from the github?
[17:38] <GabrialDestruir_> I imagine the vcgencmd would be on there to
[17:38] <GabrialDestruir_> too*
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[17:39] <Milos> Oh, it may be on github. I haven't checked.
[17:39] <GabrialDestruir_> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/hardfp/opt/vc/bin
[17:39] <Milos> \o/
[17:40] <Caver> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/raw/master/hardfp/opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd ... not sure if gentoo is hard or soft float mind
[17:40] <Caver> aha .. snap
[17:40] <Milos> hardfloat.
[17:40] <Milos> CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -march=armv6j -mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=hard"
[17:40] <GabrialDestruir_> or https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/opt/vc/bin
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[17:41] <Caver> ok that ought to work :) ... download and tell us :)
[17:41] <Datalink> whee, someone please invent wireless power...
[17:41] <GabrialDestruir_> Either way, I'd suggest either writing your own update script, or start using rpi-update, that way you get updates of all the fancy tools too :p
[17:42] <Milos> Caver, will do in a sec :D
[17:42] <M0RBD> Datalink: tesla did :P
[17:42] <GabrialDestruir_> People are already working on it Datalink
[17:42] <Datalink> M0RBD, yeah, I need to poke the patent lawyer I know, his firm's in charge of it
[17:42] <[diecast]> wireless power exists
[17:42] <[diecast]> 'er uh ya
[17:42] <M0RBD> hehe
[17:42] <Caver> I think you mean, will someone please invent *efficient* wireless power
[17:42] <Caver> now that'd be much more useful
[17:42] <M0RBD> Datalink: actually my wifes imac mouse is charged through induction..
[17:43] <nid0> I think you mean *efficient* wireless power over *long distances*
[17:43] <[diecast]> sure, we probably all have our ideal power situation
[17:43] <GabrialDestruir_> The Japanese invented Ultrasonic sound power.
[17:43] <Caver> yeah ... like the apple chargers too
[17:43] <nid0> that'd be useful, as efficient wireless induction over very low ranges has been around donkeys years
[17:43] <GabrialDestruir_> Uses a unidirectional speaker, and frequencies outside our range of hearing to power things.
[17:43] <Milos> pi ~ # cat /proc/cpuinfo
[17:43] <Milos> Processor : ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l)
[17:43] <Milos> BogoMIPS : 1145.24
[17:43] <Milos> yum
[17:43] <Milos> let's burn this thing with over_voltage=9
[17:43] <Milos> :P
[17:43] <GabrialDestruir_> Anyways....
[17:44] <GabrialDestruir_> College calls
[17:44] <GabrialDestruir_> bbl
[17:44] <Caver> I imagine the coupling efficiency is still awful
[17:45] <Datalink> I need to find a way to charge my phone, it's a Samsung so funky connector
[17:45] <Caver> but would probably make for a good room heater
[17:45] <atouk> and keep the mosquitos away
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[17:46] <Caver> LOL ... ok ... sold!
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[17:59] <OH7FXK> Hello!
[17:59] <OH7FXK> Is there any small kernel for Raspberry wich is smaller than 1gb?
[17:59] <OH7FXK> I need to test is my raspberry still working because postoffice has been dropped it to water
[17:59] <OH7FXK> and i have only 1gb card here :P
[17:59] <[diecast]> the kernel is 1GB?
[17:59] <[7]> OH7FXK: was the board touched by the water, or just some package damage?
[17:59] <[7]> if yes I wouldn't power it on
[18:00] <[diecast]> my kernel is 5.1MB
[18:00] <[SLB]> i guess he meant an image
[18:00] <M0RBD> what OH7FXK means is the image
[18:00] <M0RBD> yeah
[18:00] <OH7FXK> [7] i don't know, it was dry when i get it but mailmant told that
[18:00] <[diecast]> i know, iknow
[18:00] <[diecast]> im just being a pedantic jerk
[18:01] <M0RBD> :D
[18:01] <[diecast]> this is irc afterall
[18:01] <[7]> so no visible traces of water?
[18:01] <OH7FXK> [7] no, board was dry when i opened the packet
[18:01] <nid0> its fine then
[18:01] <OH7FXK> But the packet has been under water
[18:02] <[SLB]> waterproof pi \o/
[18:02] <[diecast]> OH7FXK: check this list of distros - http://elinux.org/RPi_Distributions
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[18:02] <Weaselweb> water + electricity is the bad combination
[18:02] <[diecast]> you can probably find one that has a small footprint
[18:02] <gordonDrogon> water will be fine. just dry it slowly.
[18:02] <[SLB]> put it in a bowl of rice
[18:02] <OH7FXK> It's is dryed whole day on my table
[18:03] <[7]> gordonDrogon: distilled water, yes... dirty water not so much...
[18:03] <[diecast]> the minerals! oh noes!
[18:03] <IT_Sean> Ut oh... what did you drop in water!? O_O
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[18:04] <Weaselweb> OH7FXK: if you want a small distro: try gentoo http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
[18:04] <Milos> If it's been in water and dried there is no harm done in using it as if it has never been in contact with water.
[18:05] <Milos> You can run flash drives through washing machines and they will work just fine as long as they are dry when you run electricity through them.
[18:05] <Milos> This isn't much different.
[18:05] <[7]> Milos: only if there is no conductive residue
[18:05] <OH7FXK> It's has been on my table about 6 hours so it's dry
[18:05] <[7]> and water can stick between the BGA balls for quite some time
[18:05] <Milos> Well in OH7FXK's case I'm pretty sure it's totally fine.
[18:06] <IT_Sean> what [7] said.
[18:06] <OH7FXK> IT_Sean, mailamn dropped it :D
[18:06] <OH7FXK> mailman*
[18:06] <japro> funnily enough the correct reaction to save electronics when dropped into salt water is to not take them out :D
[18:06] <Milos> :P
[18:06] <japro> "bag" them with the water and only remove the batteries
[18:06] <japro> and then rinse them with distilled water
[18:07] * IT_Sean had an iPaq that survived an extended salt water dunking.
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[18:07] <Milos> iwhat?
[18:07] <[7]> japro: rinse them with isopropanol if anything
[18:07] <IT_Sean> an HP iPaq. I had it clipped to my belt, and some jackalope pushed me off of a pier, into a river. :|
[18:07] <Milos> Ah.
[18:07] <Leestons> I'm 19 years old and amazed I haven't sent anything for a swim yet.
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[18:08] <Milos> Touch wood.
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[18:08] <OH7FXK> My CB rig surrived when i forgotten it on my car roof :D
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[18:08] <Leestons> I believe I've just jinxed myself.
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[18:08] <OH7FXK> And it statrted to rain
[18:08] * japro only did the cell in washing machine once
[18:08] <M0RBD> OH7FXK: good dx :D
[18:08] <japro> didn't survive though
[18:08] <japro> but it was very clean
[18:09] <IT_Sean> Heh.
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[18:09] <Datalink> OH7FXK, kernel's not gonna be a problem, if you wanna make a smaller image, then that'd take a tad bit of work removing secondary packages
[18:09] <ReggieUK> I bet it smelt fresh for ages too japro?
[18:09] <OH7FXK> yep
[18:09] <Datalink> the image is actually 2 partitions :P
[18:09] <M0RBD> I had an Ericsson GA628 dropping off from my belt from a sailboat (in a harbour) ..
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[18:10] <M0RBD> dived down and picked it up... put in water solution then dried it.. worked afterwards
[18:10] <ReggieUK> I dropped my n95 in bucket of water once
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[18:10] <ReggieUK> even saw the bubbles of air escaping :/
[18:11] <IT_Sean> I was quite upset following the iPaq incident. Luckily, it survived, and still works to this day. :p
[18:11] <ReggieUK> took it out, dried as much as I could, took it apart as much as I could and dried some more, then left it with a PC case fan aimed at it over night
[18:11] <Comet> i did have luck washing an old mac classic board in the dish washer. trick is not using detergeant and letting it dry naturally
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[18:11] <[7]> so, OH7FXK, you want a small image? what is the number of sectors of your card?
[18:12] <IT_Sean> I took the iPaq apart, rinced it with distilled water, then let it dry out for a few days.
[18:12] <OH7FXK> [7] I maybe try gentoo because i want see that is working
[18:12] <[7]> I can make you a fitting raspbian image
[18:12] <[7]> down to 256MB
[18:13] <Datalink> OH7FXK, any ARM linux will work it's just a matter of resizing the / partition
[18:13] <[7]> just tell me the number of sectors of your card so I can make a correctly partitioned image
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[18:14] <M0RBD> Heh... speaking of Nokia was at a pub toilet when a bloke was babbling on his 6610 which he managed to drop into the urinal.. He just picked it up and continued to babble..
[18:14] <M0RBD> juck
[18:14] <Datalink> .... ew
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[18:15] <Leestons> ew...
[18:15] <OH7FXK> [7] if you can make Raspbian fit to 1GB card, it 's would be gread :D
[18:15] <OH7FXK> Great*
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[18:18] <Comet> semes like the netbsd guys are making some good progress on getting it to work on the Pi. i will def look forward to that.
[18:20] <geordie> overclocking seems to be wreaking havoc on my filesystem
[18:20] <geordie> i'm using a sandisk 32GB class 10 sd card
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[18:34] <Nik05> huh geordie in this channel?
[18:35] <Nik05> oh wait the c++ bot is geordi oops
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[18:39] <aaa801> why was the new gpu code reverted
[18:40] <AC`97> ...
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[18:41] <rymate1234> new gpu code?
[18:41] <[SkG]> technicaly new old gpu code
[18:41] <AC`97> BUG() call ??
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[18:44] <aaa801> the change to the new source tree was reverted
[18:45] <aaa801> along with 4 other things
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[18:45] <AC`97> heresey!
[18:45] <AC`97> er, heresy*
[18:46] <AC`97> the new one sucked anyways.
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[18:56] <scummos> is there any reason why i2cdetect -y would not list a client if one is attached?
[18:56] <scummos> I'm not entirely sure I soldered it correctly
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[18:58] <doxinho> best place in US to order from now?
[18:59] <scummos> farnell probably?
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[19:02] <doxinho> suspended sales
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[19:08] <scummos> oh, did they? why is that?
[19:09] <digitlman> anybody running cacti on their pi? I cannot seem to add the eth0 to monitor....
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[19:10] <jui-feng> Nik05, the new GPU source tree apparently was unstable for some use cases. It will eventually return with fixes.
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[19:10] <jui-feng> there's a forum thread about that
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[19:15] <_OskaR_> scummos if you have the i2c/1-wire bus reverse powered it will not show.
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[19:16] <gordonDrogon> i2c .... must play with that one day...
[19:16] <Kane> salut ici
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[19:24] <gordonDrogon> Imperial Chemical Industries? Whatever happened to them ...
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[19:25] <eix> I've tried compiling kernel on the raspberry pi in many ways so far, all of them lead to an unstable kernel crashing during or right after init. I tried the default .config and my modified versions, nothing works. I also tried compiling without any overclocking as Datalink suggested, but that was pointless as expected. has anybody any insight into this problem?
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[19:25] <eix> is my gcc corrupted..or what?
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[19:26] <midnightyell> re: kernel - I cross-compile mine on an x86 box with few problems
[19:26] <dirty_d> me too
[19:26] <midnightyell> though I've not successfully booted one that's had a cutdown confug
[19:26] <midnightyell> config
[19:27] <eix> midnightyell: what's wrong at compiling on the raspberry itself?
[19:28] <midnightyell> bcmrpi_defconfig works for me
[19:28] <eix> s/at/with
[19:28] <midnightyell> Speed!
[19:28] <eix> fast or not, it should not generate a corrupted kernel
[19:28] <midnightyell> about 8 minutes on my beefy desktop for the kernel. What, 3-4 hours on the Pi
[19:28] <midnightyell> I agree
[19:28] <midnightyell> where are you getting the source?
[19:28] <eix> from git
[19:29] <midnightyell> the raspberry pi repository?
[19:29] <eix> yes
[19:29] <midnightyell> ok; should be okay
[19:29] <midnightyell> using what config?
[19:29] <eix> I tried all
[19:29] <eix> it does not matter
[19:29] <eix> also, you can use any config you like, it should never hangup
[19:29] <eix> at worst it will show errors
[19:29] <midnightyell> update the compiler from... jeez, what's the number? 4.6 to 4.7
[19:30] <[7]> OH7FXK: https://portal.bitcasa.com/download-send/33a64bf4b53f16339c0dc1a961c21d8f0add48ab08d886a60ec2115a7cf6a65c/bb05585cede91479f592a40cee7356ce39a81e6189e084fef899cc9d232d4fb1/raspbian-minimal-ssh-dhcp-20121016-image.xz
[19:30] <eix> it's not an outdated compiler
[19:30] <[7]> that's a raspbian image that should work on cards >=180MB
[19:30] <midnightyell> 4.6 was generating illegal instructions and bad object files for me in compiling MAME
[19:30] <[7]> can someone plase verify that it works? :P
[19:30] <buZz> there are cards of 180MB? :D
[19:30] <buZz> midnightyell: mame has a lot of asm inside
[19:30] <buZz> midnightyell: which will not work on ARM :)
[19:31] <midnightyell> advancemame is fine
[19:31] <buZz> well, asm will work. just not x86 asm
[19:31] <midnightyell> but building natively with 4.6 failed, and 4.7 worked
[19:31] <buZz> nice
[19:31] <midnightyell> so, what memory split are you running, eix?
[19:32] <midnightyell> [7]: LTIB will generate minimal linux rootfs's with little trouble :)
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[19:33] <OH7FXK> [7] Thank you, i buy you a beer if you visit here in Finland ;D
[19:33] <[7]> OH7FXK: I'm not 100% sure if it works
[19:33] <[7]> so if it doesn't please don't immediately blame it on the hardware
[19:33] <[7]> and wait for independent verification first
[19:33] <OH7FXK> yep
[19:33] <[7]> user: pi, password: raspberry, root pw: raspberry
[19:34] <buZz> user pi password 3.14159
[19:34] <[7]> should acquire a DHCP IP address during boot and start an ssh server
[19:34] <eix> midnightyell: that's pointless
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[19:34] <midnightyell> what's pointless?
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[19:35] <eix> the memory split
[19:35] <midnightyell> you want help or not?
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[19:35] <eix> next thing you will ask me if it was raining when I was compiling?
[19:35] <dirty_d> was it?
[19:35] <eix> yes, but memory split does not make any difference
[19:35] <midnightyell> if you just want to complain, that's fine, but I'll stop listening
[19:36] <midnightyell> how much memory the compiler has available could be relevant to it succeeding or not
[19:36] <eix> midnightyell: no complaining here, I asked if somebody can think of a reason for this issue. and bounced back "reason is overclock" and "reason is memory split" as invalid. that's it
[19:36] <eix> midnightyell: the compiler is always successful, but generates a kernel that crashes
[19:36] <eix> I thought that was clear
[19:36] <midnightyell> I came in late
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[19:37] <midnightyell> so, update the compiler to 4.7; as I said, I've seen 4.6 generate bad code
[19:37] <dirty_d> or just compile on a pc
[19:37] <midnightyell> probably not the issue, but it's a known bad thing
[19:37] <midnightyell> yeah; or cross-compile it on an x86
[19:38] <eix> midnightyell: that's interesting actually. so it could generate a bad kernel.
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[19:38] <eix> is the released one compiled with 4.7, if you know?
[19:38] <midnightyell> dunno; uname doesn't provide a clu
[19:38] <midnightyell> clue
[19:38] <eix> looks like I have 4.6.3
[19:38] <bede> sweet, the hdmi to dvi adapter works. i now have a console :)
[19:39] <eix> so that must be the most recent from apt sources
[19:39] <midnightyell> apt-get remove gcc-4.6; apt-get install gcc-4.7
[19:39] <eix> ah, so it's not by default..
[19:39] <midnightyell> right
[19:40] <eix> midnightyell: how hard is it to set it up as you do?
[19:40] <eix> using qemu?
[19:40] <midnightyell> once you do that, you'll probably have to recreate links in /usr/bin to point gcc -> gcc-4.7
[19:40] <midnightyell> qemu's no better; you'd be running the same binaries, and it's slow as hell
[19:40] <eix> oh, so you have a crosscompiling solution
[19:40] <midnightyell> http://midnightyell.wordpress.com/
[19:41] <eix> I think I have a configured environment for cross-compiling already
[19:41] <eix> although it might need some tweaking
[19:41] <midnightyell> That blog is chock full of about 4 different ways to compile for the Pi in ways that are faster than native
[19:41] <eix> cool, thanks
[19:41] <midnightyell> :)
[19:41] <eix> I think I will do that
[19:41] <dirty_d> eix are you talking about cross compileing programs or only the kernel?
[19:41] <eix> compiling on the raspberry pi has been frustrating, but I kept trying because I find it incredible that you "cannot eat your own food"
[19:42] <eix> dirty_d: only the kernel
[19:42] <dirty_d> eix, thats easy then, you just need a cross-compiler
[19:42] <eix> I failed like 10 times so far on the raspberry pi
[19:42] <dirty_d> compiling programs is much much harder
[19:42] <eix> failed = image causes hangup
[19:42] <eix> dirty_d: yeah..I can imagine. you'd need more headers
[19:42] <dirty_d> you basically cant unless its a very simple program or one made to be cross compiled
[19:42] <midnightyell> I suspect that the kernel that we're getting isn't quite as stable as what we're used to getting from kernel.org
[19:43] <dirty_d> lots of projects run some code thats been compiled during the build process
[19:43] <eix> midnightyell: yeah..it's several commits behind
[19:43] <dirty_d> and its gonna fail when it tried to run an arm binary on your pc
[19:43] <midnightyell> wait; how are you booting the kernel?
[19:43] <dirty_d> qemu isnt a good solution either
[19:43] <eix> midnightyell: but actually why can't we use linus' tree? what are the interesting patches?
[19:43] <midnightyell> You know the SD card needs 2 partitions, right?
[19:43] <dirty_d> not because its slow, but because there are bugs
[19:43] <dirty_d> it can generate bad code or crash
[19:43] <midnightyell> the pi will be supported in the official linux tree shortly
[19:44] <dirty_d> best option is to have a more expensive and faster arm machine for compiling
[19:44] <midnightyell> dirty_d - take a look at my blog
[19:44] <eix> midnightyell: yes, 2 partitions. the only difference is that my 'kernel.img' hangs up, the original one does not
[19:44] <dirty_d> ok
[19:44] <midnightyell> ok; fair enough
[19:44] <dirty_d> where
[19:44] <midnightyell> I've not been able to make a kernel with a cutdown config that boots in any way, shape or form
[19:45] <midnightyell> http://midnightyell.wordpress.com/
[19:45] <eix> midnightyell: why?
[19:45] <dirty_d> midnightyell, you started with the default official config and source?
[19:45] <eix> midnightyell: actually I was trying to disable lots of CONFIGURE_ for my kernel
[19:45] <midnightyell> using distcc on the Pi talking to an x86 server running a cross compiler, I'm able to get 4x speedups on compiling
[19:46] <eix> midnightyell: but also with official config it does not work for me
[19:46] <midnightyell> without any of the usual cross-compiling headaches
[19:46] <dirty_d> ive tried distcc too, you only get like 50% better performance no matter how many slaves you have
[19:46] <midnightyell> dirty_d: yes
[19:46] <dirty_d> because the rpi still has to do all pre-processing and linking
[19:46] <dirty_d> you get 4x improvement?
[19:46] <midnightyell> I did get 4x
[19:47] <qrwteyrutiyoup> what do you mean 4x improvement? time-wise?
[19:47] <midnightyell> were you using a cross-compiler with distcc, or other pis?
[19:47] <dirty_d> i was using x86 pcs
[19:47] <midnightyell> advanceMAME took 55 minutes natively; 12-15 minutes using distcc and a cross-compiler
[19:47] <dirty_d> hmm
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[19:47] <dirty_d> it does depend on what youre compiling
[19:47] <dirty_d> i suppose
[19:48] <midnightyell> to a degree, sure
[19:48] <dirty_d> ratio of compiling to pre-processing/linking
[19:48] <midnightyell> I haven't tried the kernel, though I suppose I should
[19:48] <OH7FXK> Iskender kebab, some Salmiakki Koskenkorva and beer :D My lunch :D
[19:48] <midnightyell> and I'm working on getting pump mode distcc working
[19:48] <dirty_d> whats pump mode?
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[19:48] <midnightyell> it sends some of the preprocessing tasks to the servers in pump mode
[19:49] <dirty_d> if qemu can be made more stable it would be a great solution
[19:49] <dirty_d> oh
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[19:49] <dirty_d> i was using scratchbox2 and compiling on my PC at full speed
[19:49] <midnightyell> qemu took 42 minutes to compile advanceMAME for me, v 55 minutes natively
[19:49] <dirty_d> but it was buggy and crashed
[19:49] <qrwteyrutiyoup> in here, qtbase (qt5) took ~15 hours natively. about 90min in my distcc setup with a x86 laptop helping with cross compiling
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[19:49] <dirty_d> the archlinux-arm devs found the saem problem with qemu
[19:49] <midnightyell> and I've got a fairly speedy linux machine
[19:49] <dirty_d> so they have an arm farm for compiling
[19:50] <midnightyell> yeah; CAlexda used to give out free accounts on their ARM servers for building & testing, but they're not responding anymore
[19:51] <midnightyell> despite my knowing people there :|
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[19:51] <dirty_d> qrwteyrutiyoup, impressive improvement
[19:51] <midnightyell> qrwteyrutiyoup: when did you do that?
[19:51] <qrwteyrutiyoup> let me check, midnightyell
[19:51] <digitlman> anybody running cacti on their pi? I cannot seem to add the eth0 to monitor....
[19:52] <qrwteyrutiyoup> qt5-qtbase-git-20121006-1-armv6h.pkg.tar.xz <- october 6th
[19:52] <dirty_d> digitlman, no, but what is it?
[19:52] <midnightyell> Cool deal
[19:53] <digitlman> a graphing measurement tool...www,cacti.com
[19:54] <midnightyell> I'm pleased with 55 -> 12-15 minutes, but I can cross-compile the package in just under 1 minute on my desktop. I want to be closer to 1 minute than to 15
[19:54] <Leestons> digitlman: that site just takes me somewhere to buy a cactus....
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[19:54] <digitlman> sorry...cacti/net
[19:54] <midnightyell> oh, and fwiw, linking speeds up if you use gold instead of ld
[19:54] <digitlman> cacti.net
[19:55] <Leestons> Haha, thanks.
[19:58] <dirty_d> digitlman, isnt monitor for wifi ?
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[19:58] <digitlman> it can monitor a lot of things
[19:58] <digitlman> usually
[19:58] <dirty_d> but when you say put eth0 in monitor mode what do you mean
[19:59] <digitlman> for some reason it doesn't want to monitor the eth0
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[19:59] <dirty_d> oh the program itself
[19:59] <digitlman> yes
[19:59] <dirty_d> oh, i dunno about that
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[20:06] <_OskaR_ghost> hmm on an raspberry pi - running LAMP. what should the Dynamic Extensions be for apache2
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[20:07] <_OskaR_ghost> msql.so , mysql.so or ? with a path, if then where ?
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[20:07] <rymate1234> apache2 don't use mysql
[20:07] <rymate1234> php does though
[20:07] <_OskaR_ghost> yea it is for the php :_)
[20:08] <_OskaR_ghost> LAMP..
[20:09] <OH7FXK> Does next PI model make kebab? :D
[20:09] <OH7FXK> brrrb! i'm full
[20:12] <_OskaR_ghost> hm nither setting extension=msql.so or setting extension=mysql.so (diff y) in php.ini helped .. (and yes php is restarted )
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[20:13] <eix> _OskaR_ghost: msql is for Microsoft SQL server
[20:13] <_OskaR_ghost> ahh thats the diff. thx
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[20:13] <rymate1234> OH7FXK, I'm hoping for the impossible too - an arnv7 pi
[20:13] <_OskaR_ghost> so it sohuld be with y for mysql in linuxworld ..
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[20:15] <dirty_d> _OskaR_ghost, have you looked at the ouput of phpinfo();?
[20:16] <_OskaR_ghost> nope not yet..
[20:16] <_OskaR_ghost> look like i should :=0
[20:18] <_OskaR_ghost> alsow i have two php.ini's one in etc/php5/cli/ and one in etc/php5/apache2/
[20:18] <dirty_d> yea
[20:18] <dirty_d> see which, if any its loading
[20:19] <_OskaR_ghost> through phpinfo i grasp :)
[20:21] <eix> _OskaR_ghost: send them a bugreport
[20:21] <_OskaR_ghost> yea i have found a few ticks here so i might need to
[20:21] <eix> _OskaR_ghost: the cli one is for the command-line-interface
[20:21] <eix> _OskaR_ghost: e.g. what you run from the prompt, that has different php.ini than the one running your web scripts
[20:21] <_OskaR_ghost> i guessed that. (eaven did a scan for further rough php.ini's
[20:22] <_OskaR_ghost> (( none found thg ! ))
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[20:23] <_OskaR_ghost> hmmm that phpinfo looks like a function to be called inside a php script..
[20:23] <_OskaR_ghost> so its not a cli cmd ?
[20:24] <dirty_d> its a function
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[20:24] <_OskaR_ghost> right.. could i do that call as a one line'r in cli .. or would i need to make a file and execute it ..
[20:25] <_OskaR_ghost> sorry for the slight greenish grasp there...
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[20:27] <pseudo> what do you guys recommend for an operating system on your pi? I am leaning towards gentoo atm.
[20:27] <dirty_d> archlinux
[20:28] <bertrik> raspbian
[20:28] <dirty_d> choose gentoo and you choose a life of misery and despair
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[20:28] <Leestons> All depends on what you want to do I guess
[20:28] <BurtyB> _OskaR_ghost, you can do a 'echo "<?php phpinfo();" |php' from the command line
[20:28] <pseudo> does arch work well?
[20:28] <dirty_d> it works very well
[20:28] <Leestons> Arch is really lightweight so I assume it works great on a pi
[20:28] <dirty_d> i moved from gentoo to it years ago
[20:28] <pseudo> i use gentoo as my main os for my desktop
[20:29] <dirty_d> i feel the rpi is way too slow to use gentoo
[20:29] <pseudo> i am just thinking that compile times would be aweful
[20:29] <pseudo> yeah
[20:29] <dirty_d> I'm way too impatient
[20:29] <Leestons> I was going to use Arch but couldn't be bothered setting it up at the time.
[20:29] <pseudo> then again, i am probably going to use a pretty static setup, so i just need to set it up once
[20:29] <Leestons> So I use Raspian at the moment.
[20:29] <dirty_d> you can custom compile any package on arch like you can on gentoo though, you jsut dont have to
[20:30] <rymate1234> I prefer using precompiled packages
[20:30] <dirty_d> me too
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[20:30] <rymate1234> don't see the reason why I should recompile
[20:30] <dirty_d> 99% of the time the compile package is what i need
[20:30] <pseudo> i came to gentoo from arch. i love arch as a distro, gentoo was just a little more my taste in the long run
[20:30] <dirty_d> oh really?
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[20:31] <rymate1234> pseudo, why was that?
[20:31] <pseudo> i don't do normal things on my os, so inherant felxibility is nice
[20:31] <rymate1234> I do normal things
[20:31] <rymate1234> assuming irc is normla
[20:31] <rymate1234> XD
[20:32] <pseudo> like im using xmonad with custom scripts doing all sorts of stuff on my system
[20:32] <Leestons> What is a "abnormal" thing?
[20:32] <Leestons> Ah
[20:32] <_OskaR_ghost> thx BurtyB
[20:32] <rymate1234> idk
[20:32] <rymate1234> lol
[20:32] <rymate1234> I use kde4
[20:32] * rymate1234 likes eyecandy
[20:33] <Leestons> xfce 4.8 on my netbook, lxde on the pi
[20:33] <pseudo> for example, i have a dzen2 statusbar that pipes information from various components like a bitcoin daemon and conky to a statusbar that uses xft fonts. alot easier to do things like that on gentoo imo
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[20:33] <pseudo> also its more stable when u do wierd things
[20:33] <rymate1234> I also like the fact I can turn the eyecandy off when I wanna do something graphically intense
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[20:34] <pseudo> my idea of eyecandy is a framebuffer working at your native resolution Oo
[20:34] <Hodapp> pseudo: likewise :P
[20:34] <rymate1234> lol
[20:34] <Hodapp> it's why I dabbled with SDL
[20:34] <rymate1234> i like my Xorg
[20:34] <discopig> lol
[20:35] <discopig> hardware-accelerated xorg would be great
[20:35] <rymate1234> ^
[20:35] <discopig> maybe one day
[20:35] <_OskaR_ghost> @ BurtyB - extension_dir => /usr/lib/php5/20100525+lfs => /usr/lib/php5/20100525+lfs
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[20:35] <discopig> with hardware acceleration and 512mb of ram the pi might be a decent living room media player
[20:35] <dragon> We need Raspberry Pi Dragon?
[20:35] <doxinho> anywhere in the US actually taking orders atm?
[20:35] <discopig> element14.com
[20:35] <discopig> usually ships within a few days
[20:36] <discopig> and they have the new 512mb boards
[20:36] <pseudo> so what do u guys do with ur pi's? im assuming most don't use them as a desktop system.
[20:36] <Leestons> Just set up a web server, not in use yet as it isn't finished
[20:37] <AC`97> pseudo: http://goo.gl/JdDt1
[20:37] <Leestons> Other than that, not a clue what to do with it yet.
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[20:37] <axion> i replaced a tower and use it as an ssh thin client for the rest of my network
[20:37] <discopig> mine is just in the living room occasionally being used for xchat or playing stuff there, but most of the time as NAS/home server
[20:37] <eix> midnightyell: I am going to install the crosscompiler tools in the user home directory
[20:37] <axion> along with a video player
[20:38] <discopig> and for tinkering with stuff
[20:38] <eix> that should work as well
[20:38] <dragon> With 512MB? Damn.
[20:38] <dragon> I recently bought 256MB version from my friend.
[20:38] * dragon regrets doing that.
[20:38] <discopig> 256mb does me fine
[20:38] <eix> dragon: your friend is very smart
[20:38] <discopig> i guess 512mb might be better if you want to run a desktop or ram-hungry apps though
[20:38] <axion> i just bought a ug802+ which i presume will replace my pi
[20:38] <midnightyell> eix: yes; so long as you adjust the paths to refelect reality
[20:39] <midnightyell> LTIB is happy with the cross-compilers in /opt/cross, but if you're not running LTIB, mazel tov
[20:40] <midnightyell> I want the 512M version so that I can compile in a RAMdisk
[20:41] <Leestons> I want to get myself one of those robotic arms and learn to control it with the pi
[20:41] <Leestons> Don't fancy dishing out ??30 for one yet.
[20:41] <OH7FXK> Leestons, i just search how to control normal servos using PIs I/O ports
[20:41] <bertrik> the pi is probably going to be the cheapest part ...
[20:41] <eix> midnightyell: tip: set the JOBS="" line to 4, it's a good default value for modern slaves' CPUs
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[20:42] <OH7FXK> I ihave about rc 30-50servos and lots of aluminium
[20:42] <dragon> Wait, does 512MB mean it'll be capable of running xubuntu?
[20:42] <Leestons> Not sure how well it would run
[20:42] <Jungle-Boogie> dragon, is there an ARM version of that?
[20:42] <dirty_d> gpio isnt good enough for servos is it?
[20:42] <linuxstb> dragon: No, the problem with ubuntu is that it doesn't support the Pi's ARM
[20:43] <dirty_d> the pwm is, but only 2 channels right?
[20:43] <[SLB]> Hexxeh, speaking of what, do we have already the firmware support for 512mb mem splitting?
[20:43] <Leestons> Ohh of course, didn't think about ARM
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, there is a kernel driver for servos IIRC.
[20:43] <rymate1234> dragon, you will be able to run xfce4 though
[20:43] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, using the PWm module?
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, the on-board PWM is somewhat sub-optimal for RC servos from what I can see.
[20:43] <Jungle-Boogie> dragon, there's a lot better distros than ubuntu (as i type this on 12.04 ;) )
[20:43] <midnightyell> eix: I set mine to 50; my server can accept jobs much faster than the Pi can preprocess
[20:43] <rymate1234> I use Arch Linux
[20:43] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, how so?
[20:43] <rymate1234> :>
[20:43] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, no - I think it's a specialised RC servo type module - it's not quite standard PWM.
[20:44] <axion> rymate1234: o/\o
[20:44] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, i mean the PWm hardware module
[20:44] <eix> midnightyell: I see
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, a RC servo needs a pulse of between 1ms (hard left) and 2ms (hard right) then a gap of at least 8ms, preferably a little longer...
[20:44] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, yea
[20:44] <midnightyell> sounds like a great job for the gertboard
[20:44] <OH7FXK> dirty_d, i need only two servos modded for 360degree turn under the RPI/battery pack :D
[20:44] <dragon> Jungle-Boogie: I think I'll stick to arch linux.
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[20:45] <dirty_d> i guess you can do that with the GPIO, but youd need to do it in the kernel with interrupts
[20:45] <dragon> But Ubuntu makes newbies happy, which makes Pi more desirable.
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[20:45] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, so it can be done with the Pi's PWM, but you'll need to work out the exact clock frequency for the PWM controller and put it into M/S mode (not the default) and work out the right range and value values.
[20:45] <Jungle-Boogie> dragon, that's a good choice. i want another SD card so I can run that
[20:45] <dirty_d> gordonDrogon, yea i know i remember i worked with you on figuring the PWM stuff out
[20:46] <dirty_d> the documentation was a little sketchy
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> dirty_d, Ah, that was you? (can't associalte real names to irc nicks ;-)
[20:46] <dirty_d> yea, lol
[20:46] <midnightyell> one of these days I should hook something up to the GPIO pins of my pi
[20:46] <dirty_d> the PWM is perfectly fine for controlling servos
[20:46] <dirty_d> plenty of resolution etc
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> but only one of them...
[20:46] <dirty_d> there are 2
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> the 2nd is hard to dig-out.
[20:47] <dirty_d> yea
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> I looked - tiny tiny SMT components to remove and tack wires to their pads ...
[20:47] <dirty_d> its right on the analog audio, but it would require desoldering some components to get a clean square wave
[20:47] <dirty_d> yea
[20:47] * gordonDrogon nods... tiny tiny components )-:
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[20:48] <dirty_d> ive never used components that small
[20:48] <dirty_d> the smallest was 0805
[20:48] <dirty_d> and even that feels too small
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[20:49] <OH7FXK> 0805 isn't too small, it's perfect
[20:49] <OH7FXK> but these are too smal
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> servoblaster
[20:50] <gordonDrogon> that's the module name. trying to find the original article on it.
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[20:51] <dirty_d> neat
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=153708#p153708
[20:51] <dirty_d> it must use an interrupt to toggle the GPIO
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> yes, it's a kernel module.
[20:52] <dirty_d> i made a kernel module for userspace interrupts using signals
[20:52] <dirty_d> i cant remember what happened with it
[20:52] <eix> midnightyell: do you know if ~/.distcc/hosts can contain also a hostname instead of IPv4?
[20:52] <dirty_d> but it worked
[20:52] <midnightyell> I believe it can, yes
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[20:53] <dirty_d> has anyone made an xmega add on board yet for the rpi?
[20:53] <midnightyell> HOSTID = HOSTNAME | IPV4
[20:53] <eix> midnightyell: ok, thanks!
[20:54] <scummos> speaking about tiny components, did anyone successfully solder QFN-10 by hand? I didn't suceed so far (after a few hours)
[20:54] <midnightyell> (man distccd :)
[20:54] <scummos> any tips maybe? ;P
[20:54] <eix> scummos: smd?
[20:54] <dirty_d> ive soldered QFN-24 by hand
[20:54] <dirty_d> it was scart
[20:54] <dirty_d> scary
[20:54] <scummos> eix: QFN, see http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/ads1015.pdf page 31 for the layout
[20:54] <dirty_d> i used a hot air gun
[20:54] <scummos> okay
[20:54] <scummos> that's probably special equipment?
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[20:55] <scummos> how expensive is such a thing? ;p
[20:55] <dirty_d> ummm
[20:55] <scummos> do you think one can bake it too?
[20:55] <Syburg> hey, do you think, it will be possible to "upgrade" an old Modell B board to 512MB Ram by soldering a new Chip to it?
[20:55] <dirty_d> i think i paid like $65 maybe
[20:55] <scummos> (so many questions, heh)
[20:55] <dirty_d> on ebay, it was a soldering iron/air gun combo
[20:56] <scummos> okay
[20:56] <dirty_d> scummos, yes you can, you cna also just stick it on a frying pan
[20:56] <dirty_d> works better than youd expect
[20:56] <scummos> yeah, I tried that with ordinary solder
[20:56] <scummos> but it didn't really work, since I couldn't keep the part in place
[20:56] <scummos> I'll buy SMD soldering paste now
[20:56] <dirty_d> i tinned the pags with an iron, then blobbed it with rosin then stuck the QFN on
[20:56] <cornflake> lol
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[20:56] <dirty_d> that held it nicely
[20:57] <dirty_d> i couldnt do it with the paste
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> http://labtronix.co.uk/drupal/shop/soldering/898bdplus
[20:57] <dirty_d> it would like pop and the chip yould fly off
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> friend of mine got one of those and I'm thinking of getting one ...
[20:57] <eix> midnightyell: the cross compiling binaries will also run on x64?
[20:57] <scummos> dirty_d: hmm, the rosin stuff didn't work for me, it begins to boil at some point
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[20:57] <scummos> and then it displaces the chip since it's so tiny
[20:57] <scummos> it might work better for a larger chip
[20:58] <midnightyell> eix: yes
[20:58] <dirty_d> this looks like what i have http://www.ebay.com/itm/Full-pack-GQ-5200-SMD-Rework-Station-2-in-1-Hot-Air-Soldering-Iron-Accessories-/280999332532?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item416cdd8ab4
[20:58] <eix> cool
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> right. final of the Grt. British Bake off now!
[20:58] <dirty_d> scummos, hmm
[20:58] <scummos> okay
[20:58] <dirty_d> its probably soldered before it boils though
[20:59] <dirty_d> maybe youre heating it too much
[20:59] <scummos> I'm not sure
[20:59] <midnightyell> eix: RPi foundation only released 32-bit binaries because they're the most compatible
[20:59] <dirty_d> mine didnt boil at all with the hot air gun
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[20:59] <eix> midnightyell: ok, so I am downloading the 32bit binaries..
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[20:59] <eix> from here: https://github.com/raspberrypi/tools
[20:59] <OpenSys> anyone with Samsung SDHC 16GB Class 10 (MB-SPAGA) ?
[20:59] <rikkib> I do smd in a toaster oven
[20:59] <midnightyell> rebuilding the toolchains using the same configs, but targeting x86-64 hosts might see a marginal speed improvement. I haven't bothered.
[21:00] <scummos> dirty_d: quite possible... I had the impression that the rasin melts / boils far earlier than the solder melting
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[21:00] <scummos> I'm not even sure it boils, but it makes large bubbles
[21:00] <eix> midnightyell: I understand
[21:00] <dirty_d> it might depend what its mixed with
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[21:00] <midnightyell> eix: That's where I got 'em :)
[21:00] <[7]> scummos: the solvent of the resin does boil
[21:00] <donnib> hi
[21:01] <donnib> i need iwconfig wlan0 power off to stick on reboot, how do i accomplish that ?
[21:01] <dirty_d> add it to rc.local
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[21:01] <scummos> [7]: okay, earlier than the solder melting?
[21:02] <[7]> yes
[21:02] <scummos> hmm
[21:02] <donnib> dirty_d: thx, let me find the file and edit
[21:02] <[7]> that boils at <100??C already
[21:02] <scummos> then there's probably no way to prevent that
[21:02] <dirty_d> my solder melts before the rosin boils
[21:02] <[7]> dirty_d: not the resin itself, just its solvent
[21:02] <dirty_d> yea
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[21:02] <[7]> probably also depends on the quality of the resin
[21:02] <dirty_d> yea
[21:02] <scummos> probably
[21:02] <[7]> but I see no reason why the solvent boiling would do any harm
[21:02] <ReggieUK> ROSIN
[21:02] <scummos> ReggieUK: okay, okay :D
[21:03] <scummos> [7]: it throws bubbles, and my part is so tiny that it's displaced by those before the solder melts and fixes it in place
[21:03] <ReggieUK> use a different flux
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[21:03] <SpeedEvil> or use the correct amount
[21:03] <scummos> yes, I probably have too much of it
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[21:04] <SpeedEvil> 01005 parts are soldered with paste
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[21:04] <SpeedEvil> I doubt yours are that small
[21:04] <scummos> do you think it'll be easier with paste?
[21:04] <scummos> yeah, 01005 is probably smaller, mine is 1mm x 2mm or so
[21:04] <ReggieUK> have you handled paste before?
[21:04] <scummos> no
[21:04] <ghallberg> Hey, does anyone know why I can't install raspi-config and the other special raspberry pi packages from apt? I'm using the raspbian minimal image.
[21:05] <ReggieUK> then you'll probably have as much fun with paste as you are with what you're using now :)
[21:05] <scummos> haha :)
[21:05] <scummos> well, I won't learn it if I don't try *g
[21:05] <ReggieUK> indeed
[21:05] <scummos> I got some cheap paste here which will probably corrupt the part sooner or later
[21:05] <scummos> but since it's a test anyway I might try neverthereless...
[21:06] <eix> scummos: just be careful and put some gloves ;)
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[21:06] <rikkib> I glue smd parts to the board first (pin) then I put solder paste on with a pin. Then it goes in the oven.
[21:06] <rikkib> All under a magnifying glass
[21:07] <scummos> I got a binocular which is great for such stuff
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[21:07] <scummos> heh gloves
[21:07] <bampersand> Hey guys, my 2TB hdd is out of space and I need more storage. I use XBian and I'm new to RAID, is it possible to RAID with the rpi? at the moment I have my ext. hdd in the usb of my rpi, not over the network.
[21:07] <scummos> makes my fine-mechanic skills even worse
[21:07] <AC`97> bampersand: you can raid
[21:08] <AC`97> buy you'd need to destroy your 2TB of data before you can raid it.
[21:08] <midnightyell> raid over usb sounds slow
[21:08] <AC`97> but*
[21:08] <bampersand> AC`97: agh.
[21:08] <ghallberg> No one?
[21:08] <bampersand> I think I'll wait until christmas and treat myself to 2 or 3 new 2tb drives
[21:08] <bampersand> keeping the data on this one and then moving it once they're set up.
[21:08] <ghallberg> Could someone paste me their sources.list? :)
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[21:09] <[SLB]> ghallberg,
[21:09] <[SLB]> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ wheezy main contrib non-free rpi
[21:09] <scummos> ghallberg: sorry my pi isn't on atm
[21:09] <ghallberg> [SLB]: ty
[21:09] <[SLB]> and deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ wheezy main
[21:09] <bampersand> also I was wondering about sabnzbd, googling tells me that it doesn't run the best on the rpi because it's cpu hungry. Basically I only use my computer now for sabnzbd/sickbeard so I was hoping to replace it completely with the rpi.
[21:09] <[SLB]> yw
[21:10] <ghallberg> [SLB]: I'm missing the mirrordirector line
[21:10] <[SLB]> ah eheh
[21:11] <ghallberg> I guess that's some raspbian specific packages?
[21:11] <ghallberg> Which is exactly what I was looking for ofc.
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[21:11] <[SLB]> probably
[21:11] <ghallberg> hummm, apt is so slow on the pi.
[21:12] <cerjam> bampersand, any real reason youd need sabnzbd? hellanzb would probably be lighterweight
[21:13] <OH7FXK> Berryboot <3
[21:13] <bampersand> cerjam: i'll check that out, there's no specific reason for sabnzbd+ though I'm wanting to use sickbeard, i'll check if it works with hellanzb
[21:13] <cerjam> alittle haxing it should
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[21:13] <cerjam> hellanzb autoloads from a watched directory if i rememeber right
[21:14] <bampersand> ah cool i'll be able to get that working then
[21:14] * eix is going to run distcc with midnightyell's setup
[21:14] <bampersand> XBMC + SickBeard + RPi, tehe this will be great.
[21:15] <bampersand> I could do with getting myself a remote control
[21:16] <bircoe> try your TV remote, that is if your TV supports HDMI CEC
[21:16] <Blu3Knight> Anyone have a good idea of a windows manager that can run on a RPI pretty well.
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[21:17] <cerjam> xbmc was unpleasent to me
[21:17] <cerjam> but omxplayer<3
[21:17] <bampersand> I don't think my TV supports HDMI CEC
[21:17] <cornflake> i know mine doesnt
[21:17] <cornflake> the one that the pi is hooked up to at least
[21:17] <cornflake> it's an old 'element'
[21:17] <cornflake> lol
[21:18] <tero> um guys would it be possible to use gpio pins as a input to do some commnand in bash?
[21:18] <bircoe> of course it would...
[21:18] <ghallberg> humm, didn't really help.
[21:18] <ghallberg> odd.
[21:18] <bircoe> go read the GPIO wiki page
[21:18] <tero> any ideas how to do that?
[21:18] <tero> for example when i put gpio7 on 3.3V it would run a bash command: omxplayer mymovie.avi
[21:18] <bircoe> all the information is here:
[21:18] <bircoe> http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals
[21:19] <tero> any ideas how to do that?
[21:19] <bircoe> knock yourself out
[21:19] <bircoe> you need a script running in a loop that is watching a GPIO pin
[21:20] <rikkib> Check out wiringPi and Webiopi
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[21:27] <cornflake> anyone here using t0mm0's subsonic plugin?
[21:27] <midnightyell> eix: let me know how it goes
[21:29] <eix> midnightyell: /bin/sh: 1: gcc: not found
[21:30] <eix> midnightyell: next step would be to create such symlink in /usr/lib/distcc
[21:30] <eix> I have installed gcc-4.7
[21:30] <eix> in place of 4.6
[21:30] <midnightyell> did you adjust the PATH in /etc/defaults/distcc to reflect the fact that you changed from /opt/cross?
[21:30] <eix> midnightyell: yes
[21:30] <eix> midnightyell: but that's on the slave
[21:31] <eix> midnightyell: I see nothing coming in to the slave yet
[21:31] <midnightyell> you added /usr/lib/distcc to your PATH, and /usr/lib/distcc contains a link gcc -> distcc ?
[21:31] <eix> the last one is missing
[21:31] <Blu3Knight> six what do you want to do???. I am distcc'g all the time here.
[21:31] <Blu3Knight> eix: sorry! ??? not six
[21:32] <midnightyell> there's a link for gcc-4.7, I suspect
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[21:32] <eix> midnightyell: yes, only for gcc-4.7
[21:32] <eix> Blu3Knight: compiling the kernel
[21:32] <midnightyell> add one so that "gcc" becomes distcc
[21:32] <Blu3Knight> Kernel does not compile well in distcc unfortunately :(
[21:32] <eix> :o
[21:33] <midnightyell> Blu3Knight: http://midnightyell.wordpress.com/
[21:33] <eix> midnightyell: done. now I get: distcc[8089] (dcc_execvp) ERROR: failed to exec gcc: No such file or directory
[21:33] <eix> distcc[8088] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed with exit code 110
[21:33] <midnightyell> Hm; I've not tried it
[21:33] <midnightyell> you need a link /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc
[21:34] <eix> midnightyell: there is no gcc
[21:34] <midnightyell> this is due to the tools not getting the links properly when you changed from 4.6 to 4.7
[21:34] <eix> midnightyell: it's only gcc-4.7
[21:34] <Blu3Knight> midnightyell: Yep??? i have been doing this here for a week now building a binhost environment for Gentoo.
[21:34] <midnightyell> sorry /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.7
[21:34] <eix> I changed gcc before installing distcc
[21:34] <eix> midnightyell: there is no /usr/bin/gcc, only /usr/bin/gcc-4.7
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[21:35] <midnightyell> eix: yes; create a link
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[21:35] <midnightyell> Blu3Knight: I went the LTIB route for creating a rootfs
[21:35] <eix> midnightyell: ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.7 /usr/lib/distcc/gcc
[21:35] <midnightyell> but that's strictly cross-compiling; the Pi's not involved until I boot
[21:35] <midnightyell> ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.7 /usr/bin/gcc
[21:36] <midnightyell> you'll need to also create similar links for as, ld,
[21:36] <midnightyell> c++
[21:36] <midnightyell> g++
[21:36] <midnightyell> whatever else is in /usr/bin/*4.7
[21:36] <eix> midnightyell: midnightyell but then those symlinks should be in /usr/bin/
[21:37] <midnightyell> I'm working on getting pump mode working
[21:37] <Blu3Knight> midnightyell: Pump is simple distcc supports it.
[21:37] <midnightyell> yes; you need symlinks in /usr/bin for gcc, etc.
[21:37] <eix> pl
[21:37] <eix> *ok
[21:37] <Blu3Knight> Just edit the /etc/distcc/hosts and then issue pump ahead of the compile commands.
[21:37] <midnightyell> I haven't been able to get pump mode working reliably with a cross compiler yet
[21:38] <Blu3Knight> midnightyell: Have it working here??? what do you want to know
[21:38] <eix> midnightyell: none of those you mentioned has a -4.7 counterpart
[21:38] <midnightyell> too many missing files (zlib.h, etc) is making it fall back to standard mode
[21:39] <Blu3Knight> midnightyell: Yes but that is going to be the same for distcc
[21:39] <Hydrazine> 3
[21:39] <eix> I get this error: http://ix.io/3b7
[21:39] <eix> it's..weird :(
[21:39] <Hydrazine> oops
[21:39] <Blu3Knight> midnightyell: pump does work very well, but you have to give in to some things being compiled locally.
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[21:40] <midnightyell> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Jul 6 10:19 cpp -> cpp-4.6 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Jul 6 10:20 g++ -> g++-4.6 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Jul 6 10:19 gcc -> gcc-4.6 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Jul 6 10:19 gcov -> gcov-4.6
[21:40] <scummos> hm I think I destroyed my part :D
[21:40] <midnightyell> yuck
[21:40] <midnightyell> eix: in /usr/bin, cpp, g++ gcc and gcov all need be symbolic links to their 4.7 versions
[21:41] <Blu3Knight> midnightyell usually have a few failures in a distributed compile (12 cores) will give me one or two failures on files to be compiled locally.
[21:41] <midnightyell> Blu3Knight: Once it fell back to standard mode, it stayed there, not even attempting preprocessing on the server
[21:41] <eix> midnightyell: I will need to remove more 4.6 stuff
[21:42] <dirty_d> midnightyell, check out the gold linker
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[21:42] <dirty_d> its supposedly 5 times faster than the GNU linker
[21:42] <midnightyell> Yes; I'm familiar with gold
[21:42] <dirty_d> and its part of binutils now
[21:42] <midnightyell> I suggested it 2 hours ago here :)
[21:42] <dirty_d> oh, are you already using it with distcc?
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[21:42] <Blu3Knight> eix: What is the underlying Linux flavor
[21:42] <midnightyell> I've experimented with it, passinf LD=gold to builds
[21:43] <midnightyell> distccmon-text showed all preprocessing on the Pi, and none on the server.
[21:43] <midnightyell> *shrug* I'm working on making that work better
[21:43] <eix> Blu3Knight: raspbian
[21:43] <Blu3Knight> midnightyell: I do not trust distccmon-text it sucks??? I use TOP
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[21:43] <Blu3Knight> eix: is there a gcc-config or something of that sort on the system,?
[21:43] <midnightyell> I also use top; and saw a ton of cc1 -E processes on the pi
[21:44] <dirty_d> midnightmagic, still with pump mode?
[21:44] <eix> Blu3Knight: not installed, at least
[21:44] <midnightyell> I talked him into apt-get remove gcc-4.6; apt-get install gcc-4.7
[21:44] <eix> midnightyell: which is not enough
[21:44] <Blu3Knight> midnightyell: I would not know ??? I run Gentoo and it is still on stable 4.5.4
[21:44] <eix> midnightyell: I will remove other 4.6 things (which I didn't remember where in separate packages)
[21:44] <midnightyell> right; it didn't recreate the links for gcc -> gcc-4.7, for instance
[21:45] <Blu3Knight> eix: I am not sure of Raspbian but there is usually a gcc setup process when you change compilers
[21:45] <eix> s/where/were
[21:45] <Blu3Knight> It creates all the links for you
[21:45] <eix> Blu3Knight: yeah
[21:45] <eix> shall distcc service be running also on master?
[21:45] <midnightyell> usually such a thing is handled by the %post step when you install the package
[21:46] <Blu3Knight> eix: It is not needed since your RPI is not part of the compile farm
[21:46] <midnightyell> the server only needs to run on the linux box
[21:46] <mdnneo> hi all, I'm pretty new to the pi and have some wired behaviour ... is it normal if i attach a powered usb hub the pi ("normal usb port") it is powered on? at least somehow
[21:46] <eix> Blu3Knight: aptitude just started the service after removing cpp-4.6. I call that "intelligent" design
[21:46] <Blu3Knight> midnightyell: Sorry??? I am a Gentoo person, and there you can switch on the fly to whatever gcc you need.
[21:47] <midnightyell> ah; I'm running Ubuntu and running into issues with the relative pathnames
[21:47] <Blu3Knight> mdnneo: Yes??? Cheap USB hub, had that as well. Switched hub and not happening anymore
[21:47] <Blu3Knight> mdnneo: I am using the HUB on my Mac now
[21:48] <Blu3Knight> mdnneo: I use Belkin Hubs on my RPI's but there is a list of compatible hubs, not sure if any of them provide power back though. Belkin's do not.
[21:48] <mdnneo> Blu3Knight: ah ok ... I also have the problem if i attach my usb wifi stick it resets or the system gets somehow crappy (ifconfig take ages aso) I expect this is because of the needed power or?
[21:49] <SpeedEvil> use a powered hub
[21:49] <des2> mdnneo do you have a rev 1 or 2 PI ?
[21:50] <mdnneo> rev 2 (isnt it called B?)
[21:50] <Blu3Knight> mdnneo: You need to have the power on the powered port, if you attach things and it resets it s because of a underpowered power supply??? I had that problem and switched to a consistent 1 amp power source and no problems now.
[21:50] <Blu3Knight> midnightyell: Do you know what Windows manager raspbian uses.
[21:50] <des2> mdnneo They're all Model B, but they made changes along the way. Does yours have 2 mounting holes ?
[21:51] <midnightyell> No, I don't
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[21:52] <mdnneo> Blu3Knight: ok looks like i have to buy some propper stuff =) ... des2: looks like I have no mountin holes at all
[21:52] <des2> raspian uses LXDE
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[21:53] <des2> mdnneo how long ago did you get your pi ?
[21:53] <eix> Blu3Knight: gentoo on the raspberry would be unreasonable. too long build time
[21:54] <eix> midnightyell: so you use gcc 4.6 on your raspberry?
[21:54] <midnightyell> I've switched back & forth
[21:54] <mdnneo> des2: ordered it 24th of June got it monday :-( (RS really needed that long!)
[21:54] <eix> midnightyell: there is no cpp-4.7, so 4.6 that I had was ok
[21:54] <midnightyell> I think this image was 4.6, but I have to update to 4.7 if I build natively
[21:54] <dirty_d> midnightyell, what distro do you have? i have arch and it already has distcc with pump
[21:55] <des2> mdnneo this is what the different revisions look like (1 on left, 2 on right): http://imgur.com/a/b6Gx0#0
[21:55] <midnightyell> somewhere on that blog page, in another post, is a cut & paste how to change toolchains that tells you which links to make
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[21:55] <Blu3Knight> \\
[21:55] <midnightyell> yes, but does pump *work*
[21:55] <Blu3Knight> eix: Which is Why I am building a Gentoo BinHost
[21:55] <midnightyell> do the servers preprocess as well as compile?
[21:56] <eix> Blu3Knight: that is a gentoo for raspberry with binary packages?
[21:56] <dirty_d> midnightyell, i dunno, how are you doing it? 'pump make'?
[21:56] <Blu3Knight> eix: Yep
[21:56] <dirty_d> also something like eval `pump --startup first`
[21:56] <eix> Blu3Knight: cool. then I can run my nickname, I am definitively interested :)
[21:56] <midnightyell> I tried pump mode, and it compiled, but it was actually in standard mode
[21:56] <Blu3Knight> eix: Which gives you options to bring in binary packages and have the system running, but also to compile any particular file with your flags.
[21:56] <dirty_d> hmm
[21:57] <Blu3Knight> eix: So to speak the best of both worlds
[21:57] <eix> Blu3Knight: I think it's a great idea
[21:57] <midnightyell> I tried several command lines, but yeah, pump make CC=distcc
[21:57] <mdnneo> des2: got the one on the left
[21:57] <dirty_d> did you do eval `pump --startup`
[21:57] <eix> Blu3Knight: still you cannot cover flags variations
[21:58] <Blu3Knight> eix: I got them pretty well covered :)
[21:58] <Blu3Knight> Let me pastebin
[21:58] <eix> Blu3Knight: how..? binary permutations? :\
[21:58] <midnightyell> you don't have to do --startup if you use pump to wrap the make command
[21:58] <dirty_d> ok
[21:58] <Blu3Knight> dirty_d: You do not have to pump --startup if you are using distcc
[21:59] <midnightyell> but yeah; I verified that the include server was running
[21:59] <Blu3Knight> dirty_d: Sorry did not make sense :)
[21:59] <dirty_d> lol
[21:59] <dirty_d> any hints why its pre-processing locally?
[21:59] <midnightyell> and pump mode does not like masqueraded binaries
[21:59] <Blu3Knight> dirty_d: I am thinking memory constraints :)
[22:00] <eix> still same error: http://ix.io/3b7
[22:00] <dirty_d> hmm? i would use more memory to pre-process locally than to send the files to a discc slave
[22:00] <eix> interesting to note, there is no cpp installed
[22:00] <eix> so it cannot be cpp
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[22:01] <Blu3Knight> eix: here are my flags??? tell me which I am missing and I will add it in ???. I am open to input. - http://pastebin.com/siN5xhpr
[22:01] <midnightyell> that's an ld error, not a gcc error
[22:01] <eix> Blu3Knight: no, I am saying that if somebody wants one flag less or one more, they still have to recompile
[22:01] <Blu3Knight> The only thing not in there is the X flags yet, I can add them when I decide on what windows manager to include.
[22:02] <midnightyell> so I'm not sure why ld is being run oin the server...
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[22:02] <eix> midnightyell: I am always lucky with this stuf
[22:02] <eix> probably some close monitoring of master and slave would help
[22:02] <Blu3Knight> eix:No not really, the system will run with common flags that I have but if you want to compile a certain package separate you can always use the particular flags per package in /usr/portage/package.use
[22:02] <mdnneo> has anyone tried powertop on the pi? it doesn't run for me on raspbian wheezy
[22:02] <midnightyell> maybe test on something less ambitious than the kernel?
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[22:03] <Blu3Knight> eix: Then you will have to recompile.
[22:03] <eix> Blu3Knight: k
[22:03] <Blu3Knight> eix: But it will only do that package and dependencies, not the whole tree.
[22:05] <eix> midnightyell: google says it might be related to LD_FLAGS
[22:05] <midnightyell> still, the server should not be running ld!
[22:05] <dirty_d> midnightyell, try running it with --verbose and logging yet?
[22:05] <eix> still I would love to be able to log what exactly distcc is doing under the hood
[22:05] <midnightyell> dirty_d: Yes
[22:05] <midnightyell> and digging through the source
[22:05] <dirty_d> midnightyell, wait why wouldnt the server run ld?
[22:05] <dirty_d> talking about soemthing else?
[22:06] <midnightyell> yes; talking to eix
[22:06] <dirty_d> oh
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[22:09] <eix> clearly my problem is that nothing is sent to slave
[22:10] <midnightyell> export DISTCC_VERBOSE=1
[22:10] <eix> yeah, that one will help
[22:10] <eix> thanks, had lost it
[22:10] <eix> also I don't think I have zeroconf support
[22:10] <midnightyell> I suspect what was happening earlier is that it was trying to preprocess the .c file locally, but was unable to execute "gcc"
[22:11] <midnightyell> zeroconf shouldn't matter
[22:12] <teh_> help me out folks, what's a thing i could attempt to code as a python beginner ?
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[22:13] <midnightyell> You could blink an LED attached to a GPIO pin
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[22:13] <eix> midnightyell: this line does not look good: distcc[12487] (dcc_set_path) setting PATH=/home/pi/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
[22:14] <mdnneo> teh_: depends on what you want to focus on (web development, dev on/with the pi, UI dev)??
[22:14] <midnightyell> that's just it un-masquerading
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[22:14] <midnightyell> if you just type "gcc" does it find a real copy of gcc?
[22:15] <midnightyell> without the /usr/lib/distcc in the path, that is
[22:15] <eix> yes
[22:15] <eix> and I have no symlink to gcc in /usr/lib/distcc
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[22:15] <eix> wait, there is one
[22:15] <teh_> mdnneo idk, i'm not using the pins - i'd like to do ncurses stuff
[22:15] <eix> and it's linking to distcc
[22:15] <midnightyell> Ok, what's your ~/.distcc/hosts file look like ?
[22:16] <eix>
[22:16] <eix> --localslots=1
[22:16] <eix> --randomize
[22:16] <midnightyell> hold on
[22:16] <midnightyell> let me think
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[22:17] <midnightyell> ok, /usr/lib/distcc has gcc -> ../../bin/distcc
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[22:17] <eix> yes
[22:17] <Blu3Knight> midnightyell: Of course I am working from a different base linux, but aren't the distcc host file in /etc/distcc/hosts
[22:17] <midnightyell> does /usr/bin/gcc exist and point to something valid?
[22:18] <midnightyell> Blu3Knight: System v. local
[22:18] <eix> midnightyell: /usr/bin/gcc -> /usr/bin/gcc-4.7
[22:18] <midnightyell> Blu3Knight: po-tae-toh, po-tah-to
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[22:18] <eix> midnightyell: I think the problem is in the obscure way distcc works. it's not using any slave
[22:18] <midnightyell> and the distccd is actually running on the server machine?
[22:18] <scummos> dirty_d: sorry to bother you again, but -- you'd say in general it's possible to solder like, 32-QFN with just a frying pan, flux and ordinary solder, if one practices enough?
[22:19] <eix> midnightyell: no, only on slave
[22:19] <Blu3Knight> midnightyell: No the reason I am asking is because to use pump mode in hosts file for distcc the following is what mine looks like and it is working.,lzo,cpp
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[22:19] <mdnneo> teh_: sorry never done this but there should be some examples in the web
[22:19] <midnightyell> big linux box = server; pi = client
[22:19] <dirty_d> scummos, yea but you should have a thermometer to get it to the right temp
[22:19] <teh_> yeah ....
[22:19] <midnightyell> distccd runs on the big linux box
[22:19] <scummos> dirty_d: alright... is that controllable enough when using a pan?
[22:19] <dirty_d> yea
[22:19] <scummos> ok
[22:20] <scummos> also, what *is* the correct temperature for non-leadfree solder? :)
[22:20] <eix> midnightyell: it's the other way round. the slave is the big linux box, as per your blog post
[22:20] <scummos> 240 C?
[22:20] <dirty_d> youd have to look it up i cant remember
[22:20] <scummos> ok
[22:20] <dirty_d> i think it was 400F that i tried
[22:20] <scummos> thanks!
[22:20] <Blu3Knight> distcc server runs on the slave ??? :)
[22:20] <des2> scummos you need the exact mixture of elements for the temp.
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[22:20] <eix> midnightyell: so yes, the salve is running distccd
[22:21] <eix> s/salve/slave
[22:21] <scummos> des2: ok
[22:21] <des2> (if you are soldering the solder will tell you what element is in what %)
[22:22] <eix> now I remember why I gave up with distcc
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[22:22] <Blu3Knight> eix: do not give up??? it works wonderful???. I have my things compiling in minutes.
[22:22] <eix> Blu3Knight: distcc's logging is..inexistant
[22:23] <dirty_d> Blu3Knight, you already have pump mode working and using gold linker?
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[22:23] <des2> inexistant ?
[22:23] <rikkib> eix: usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabihf/4.7/../../../arm-linux-gnueabihf/crt1.o: In function `_start':
[22:23] <rikkib> (.text+0x30): undefined reference to `__libc_csu_fini'
[22:23] <Blu3Knight> eix: Other then gcc which had to be compiled locally??? 366 packages in about 4 hours with Pump mode.
[22:24] <scummos> dirty_d: how's the risk of destroying the parts because they get too hot, assuming I have the correct temperature for the solder to melt?
[22:24] <Blu3Knight> dirty_d: No gold linker, I am on gentoo so pump mode is working with regular emerge
[22:24] <dirty_d> ok
[22:24] <rikkib> This sort of thing I associate with not compiling against a library compiled with the cross compiler
[22:24] <dirty_d> scummos, you wont unless you let it get too high or leave it on too long
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[22:24] <rikkib> Hence the linker failure
[22:24] <dirty_d> i lowered it on with a piece of aluminum foil and picked it up the same
[22:25] <scummos> ok, I wanted to do something similar
[22:25] <scummos> I'll just try it out with cheap parts before I fry my 15 euro chip :D
[22:25] <dirty_d> scummos, do you have a multimeter with a thermocouple?
[22:25] <dirty_d> thats what i used
[22:25] <eix> rikkib: me too
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[22:26] <scummos> no, unfortunately not :( but maybe I got one of those thermo-sensor thingies, I'll have to search
[22:26] <midnightyell> I know it's backwards, but server = slave
[22:26] <scummos> if not I'll just buy one, they can
[22:26] <scummos> * they can't be very expensive
[22:26] <dirty_d> you cna get a crappy frying pan and attach the thermocouple with a screw or something
[22:26] <scummos> haha
[22:26] <eix> rikkib: but I am failing at finding why master doesn't send jobs to slave
[22:26] <mdnneo> ?
[22:26] * rikkib uses old school
[22:26] <scummos> dirty_d: "looking for a crappy frying pan" sounds like a typical request for our university mailing list
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[22:27] <midnightyell> on the big linux box, add --verbose to the daemon args in /etc/default/distcc and restart the service
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[22:29] <eix> midnightyell: meanwhile I tried to run with the slave's distccd down, and there is no difference in output
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[22:30] <midnightyell> one of the things that scrolls by is the number of hosts...
[22:31] <midnightyell> if that's 0, then the problem is with .distcc/hosts
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[22:31] <midnightyell> perhaps permissions?
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> scummos, what are you soldering?
[22:32] <eix> this is the verbose error log of a failed compilation: http://ix.io/3bf
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[22:33] <scummos> gordonDrogon: that might sound ridiculous but... a network analyzer
[22:33] <scummos> gordonDrogon: I'm everything but sure it'll work tough
[22:34] <eix> distcc --show-hosts shows the single host I have configured
[22:34] <midnightyell> try removing /usr/lib/distcc from your path, then
[22:34] <midnightyell> make -j8 CC=distcc
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> scummos, not too ridiculous if you're building one from scratch...
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[22:35] <scummos> gordonDrogon: well, it's mainly just a frequency generator IC and a phase/mag comparator IC with a bunch of wires. so *theoretically*, it should be doable.
[22:35] <gordonDrogon> yea, just glue the wires together :)
[22:36] <scummos> :)
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[22:36] <scummos> it's really annoying, the expensive phase/mag comparator is TSSOP-14, which is easy to solder, but the frequency generator is 32-QFN :(
[22:36] <scummos> which I've never tried to solder before
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[22:38] <Matt> distcc is interesting
[22:38] <Matt> especially when combined with ccache
[22:38] <scummos> what does it do?
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> ah, had to lookup qfn. tricky.
[22:39] <des2> Be sure to watch all the youtube videos of people doing qfn soldering...
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[22:39] <Matt> distcc allows you to run your compilation jobs on multiple systems
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> can't you find an alternative package or chip?
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[22:40] <Matt> and ccache caches object files outside the object tree
[22:40] <des2> And then just buy a qfn to dip adapter...
[22:41] <eix> midnightyell: nothing. I will dig more into the distcc options
[22:41] <eix> this is basically a troubleshooting problem
[22:41] <eix> and tough, also
[22:41] <Matt> I used to use distcc a fair bit when I had a number of similar linux systems online at home
[22:41] <midnightyell> sometimes, I had to tell distcc to leave temp files around so that I could diagnose problems
[22:41] <midnightyell> it craps up /tmp tho
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[22:42] <scummos> gordonDrogon: this particular chip comes only in QFN afaik, and I didn't find anything similar in an easier package. it should be able to generate frequencies up to 600MHz, and the frequency should be freely adjustable by... the pi or so. there's not too many chips who do that from what I found...
[22:42] <eix> it complains about "failed to exec cc" when using make -j8 CC=distcc
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[22:42] <scummos> des2: yep, I'll watch them
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[22:42] <scummos> I can make the adaptor myself now tough :D
[22:43] <scummos> oh or is it an adaptor for plugging the chip in?
[22:43] <Blu3Knight> eix: are you issuing "pump make -j8 CC=distcc"
[22:43] <eix> Blu3Knight: no pump, although it might be supported
[22:44] <Blu3Knight> eix: So you are just doing distcc then
[22:44] <eix> Blu3Knight: yes
[22:44] <eix> ARCH=arm make -j8 CC=distcc
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> scummos, ok. good luck then :)
[22:45] <midnightyell> not sure ARCH=ARM is needed
[22:45] <scummos> gordonDrogon: hehe, thanks -- that'll be necessary :)
[22:45] <midnightyell> and CC=distcc probably not needed if you have /usr/lib/distcc in the PATH
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[22:46] <eix> yes
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[22:46] <eix> but also the fact DISTCC_FALLBACK=0 is not considered, makes me think
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[22:47] <midnightyell> I believe that's in the docs, but not in the code
[22:47] <eix> "Note that this does not affect jobs which must always be llocal such as linking."
[22:47] <eix> guys, ld is local
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[22:48] <Blu3Knight> eix: distcc does not distribute everything even in pump mode :)
[22:48] <midnightyell> yes; ld is local
[22:48] <eix> midnightyell: but..you said it should not have run locally
[22:48] <midnightyell> I said that it should not have run on the server
[22:48] <midnightyell> on the big linux box
[22:49] <midnightyell> yet the path was that of the cross compiler
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[22:49] <midnightyell> perhaps you have a /usr/lib/distcc/ld -> distcc link?
[22:49] <midnightyell> and shouldn't
[22:50] <eix> midnightyell: I don't think so
[22:50] <eix> distcc compiles, does not link
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[22:56] <des2> See the PI is useful to teack kids programming.
[22:58] <eix> des2: what's the best programming language?
[22:58] <AC`97> the Pi is useful for learning how to reflow.
[22:58] <AC`97> om nom nom, Pi-baking
[22:58] <des2> C of course.
[22:58] <AC`97> Python.
[22:58] <AC`97> PHP.
[22:58] <des2> (your mileage will extremely vary)
[22:59] <AC`97> vary extremely, very extremely.
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[22:59] <discopig> lol
[22:59] <des2> I would't teach a 5 year old C
[22:59] <eix> des2: no, the programming language course
[23:00] <AC`97> huh
[23:01] <des2> Course ?
[23:01] <des2> What do you mean
[23:01] <AC`97> Of course.
[23:01] <AC`97> this stuff is coarse.
[23:02] <AC`97> wheeeew new firmware
[23:02] <eix> des2: the language used in the lessons you take to learn how to program, that's the best programming language. it's a phun
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[23:04] <AC`97> so, what will happen if i cp /boot/{arm496_,}start.elf
[23:04] * AC`97 has 256MB pi
[23:04] <midnightyell> 5-year-olds don't grok pointers enough to learn C
[23:04] <AC`97> i was a 3-star programmer at age 8.
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[23:04] <midnightyell> I'm guessing you won't even see a rainbow screen
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[23:04] <eix> where is usually libc.so?
[23:05] <AC`97> /lib
[23:05] <AC`97> /usr/lib
[23:05] <AC`97> also, http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ThreeStarProgrammer
[23:06] <eix> AC`97: not there
[23:06] <AC`97> eix: are you sure?
[23:06] <eix> yes
[23:06] <des2> do: find / -name libc.so -print
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[23:06] <AC`97> someone fails XD
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[23:07] <maicod> anyone a longtime user of midnight commander ?
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[23:07] <eix> AC`97: ?
[23:07] <AC`97> maicod: i like mcedit
[23:07] <asaru> i wouldnt listen to AC`97, he's linux-illiterate
[23:07] <maicod> ne too AC`97
[23:07] <maicod> me
[23:07] <AC`97> (:
[23:07] <AC`97> mcedit reminds me of... edit
[23:07] <AC`97> om nom nom DOS
[23:08] <AC`97> also, qedit.
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[23:08] <maicod> AC`97: on my old server which uses midnight commander 4.5.42 mcedit shows a full blue background but the new one shows black lines at the end of lines. do you know why and if that can be disabled ?
[23:09] <midnightyell> Ugh; I hate big companies...
[23:09] <maicod> the new one on the Pi is a recent version
[23:09] <midnightyell> If you have not taken your 2012 floating holiday, it will carry over to the next year, so you would not lose the holiday you accrued. However, you also would not be eligible for an additional employee-designated floating holiday during the year into which it is carried over.
[23:09] <midnightyell> so you do lose it
[23:09] <AC`97> maicod: just one of the many bugs being injected.
[23:09] <midnightyell> but not according to the employee manual
[23:09] <maicod> AC`97: so you have the same ?
[23:09] <AC`97> er, not sure yet
[23:10] <maicod> can you press F4 on a file ?
[23:10] <maicod> also I see ^m at every line
[23:10] <maicod> ^M
[23:11] <eix> midnightyell: do you have /lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc.so ?
[23:12] <eix> midnightyell: mine is missing. I think that's the cause
[23:12] <AC`97> maicod: the ^M is caused by windohs, most likely
[23:12] <eix> midnightyell: but anyway, thanks for the support. it's definitively a ducked up box..
[23:12] <AC`97> windohs = \r\n instead of \n
[23:12] <maicod> AC`97: oh ok but the black lines not ?
[23:12] <AC`97> that's probably a bug
[23:12] <maicod> :(
[23:13] <maicod> I'm trying to compile an old version now
[23:13] <AC`97> maicod: a while ago, mcedit had a weird bug where the cursor didn't line up correctly on lines with tabs.
[23:13] <AC`97> i had to use nano D:
[23:13] <maicod> AC`97: also pasting with the right mouse buttondoesnt work huh
[23:13] <AC`97> middle button? hold shift
[23:13] <maicod> yeah but I like the simple F2 press of saving a file in mcedit
[23:13] <maicod> oh i'll try
[23:14] <maicod> my Pi is compiling so I have to wait ;)
[23:14] <AC`97> maicod: or shift+insert
[23:14] <maicod> OK
[23:14] <midnightyell> eix: no; I have no such file in raspian
[23:15] <maicod> Pi doesnt like to be disturbed when compiling :)
[23:15] <[diecast]> who does
[23:16] <maicod> well a fast cpu doesnt mind :)
[23:16] <eix> midnightyell: I remember having changed that file earlier today. now I restored it with this http://ix.io/3bh and distcc is kind of working
[23:16] <eix> at least I am at the next step
[23:16] <midnightyell> hah
[23:16] <eix> I get an error coming from the slave :)
[23:16] <eix> it's kind of..positive
[23:17] <AC`97> isn't slavery outlawed? o.o
[23:17] <midnightyell> libc.so is kind of important; I'm surprised much works without it
[23:17] <midnightyell> AC`97: not for computers. That's why we have the 3 laws
[23:17] <AC`97> D:
[23:17] <eix> midnightyell: I had completely forgotten about that, nor realized it was the same directory
[23:17] * rikkib uses mc and have done so since the early days
[23:17] <cornflake> the three shells
[23:17] * eix thumbs up for rikkib
[23:17] <maicod> rikkib: me too!
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[23:18] <AC`97> mc is weird. i only install it for mcedit :P
[23:18] <maicod> rikkib: I have a problem with the newer mc versions that they show black background on the ending of lines in mcedit
[23:18] <rikkib> Even used the ftp option from time to time
[23:18] <midnightyell> I remember the DOS norton commander; one of these was based on the other, I suspect
[23:18] <maicod> I like plain old ftp too :)
[23:19] * AC`97 likes ncftp om nom nom
[23:19] <AC`97> or even lftp
[23:19] <midnightyell> scp or scftp
[23:19] <maicod> midnightyell: I use total commander for everything in windows
[23:20] * rikkib complains about his back. To much time in front of the PC screen.
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[23:20] <maicod> rikkib: use a cushion in your lower back :) I am doing the same atm :)
[23:21] <maicod> cause I'm sitting on some stupid bamboo living room chair
[23:21] <AC`97> lumbar support.
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[23:22] <maicod> how do you remove an alias in bash ?
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[23:22] <rikkib> Have good chair... Just to much repetitive stuff over the years.
[23:22] <maicod> alias mc='' doesnt help since its still an alias then :)
[23:22] <rikkib> Not the first time I have had RSI
[23:22] <midnightyell> what is mc doing?
[23:22] <rikkib> Shoulders, arms and back
[23:22] <AC`97> unalias
[23:22] <AC`97> duh.
[23:23] <maicod> its normally using the mc-wrapper to save the path when exiting
[23:23] * AC`97 had to google that :D
[23:23] <rikkib> mc does everything :)
[23:23] <midnightyell> I don't see black anything when I run mcedit
[23:23] <maicod> alias mc='. /usr/share/mc/bin/mc-wrapper.sh'
[23:23] <rikkib> file manager
[23:23] <maicod> I need to clear it in active bash shell
[23:23] <maicod> how ?
[23:23] <maicod> I know how to edit bashrc ;P
[23:24] <maicod> midnightyell: did you install it with apt-get ?
[23:24] <eix> maicod: alias mc=
[23:24] <midnightyell> I did
[23:24] <AC`97> unalias mc
[23:24] <maicod> mignightyell: weird
[23:24] <midnightyell> I'm ssh'd into the pi, tho
[23:24] <eix> maicod: unalias mc
[23:24] * AC`97 wins
[23:24] <maicod> okay thanks eix
[23:24] * AC`97 fails
[23:24] <midnightyell> yeah; looks fine to me
[23:24] <midnightyell> slow, but looks ok
[23:26] <maicod> unalias cool :)
[23:26] <rikkib> mc is the first thing I install on all systems if it is not already.
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[23:27] <midnightyell> really? emacs is what I install :)
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[23:27] <midnightyell> emacs23-nox actually is pretty usable on the Pi
[23:28] <maicod> midnightyell: I am logged in via putty and it shows this: http://www.maiconet.nl/dl/screenshot88.jpg
[23:28] <maicod> its annoying when code lines are of different lengths
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[23:29] <midnightyell> try setting your TERM env variable to be differetn
[23:29] <maicod> the black lines are shorter/longer/shorter too then
[23:29] <maicod> ehm what do you mean ?
[23:29] <midnightyell> TERM=xterm mc
[23:29] <midnightyell> TERM=vt102 mc
[23:29] <maicod> do I need to have xterm installed ?
[23:29] <rikkib> vt100
[23:29] <midnightyell> no
[23:29] <maicod> oh OK
[23:29] <maicod> so it could be putty's fault ?
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[23:30] <maicod> I can change that in putty's config
[23:30] <rikkib> Just try diff putty emulation
[23:30] <midnightyell> or mc's not handing whatever term type putty reports
[23:30] <midnightyell> that too
[23:30] <Mehhh> Does anyone know of a custom cable company?
[23:30] <midnightyell> settings, terminal, *handwave handwave*
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[23:31] <midnightyell> Mehhh: I've found nearly everything I could imagine at monoprice.com
[23:31] <Mehhh> They don't have it either :P
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[23:31] <Mehhh> i've even shot startech an email and a customer service chat, and they booted me
[23:32] <midnightyell> what is it you want?
[23:32] <des2> What are you looking for ?
[23:32] <Mehhh> "Never seen connectors like this before? Don't worry. If we don???t have the part you need to convert, extend, split or switch, chances are it doesn???t exist." It does exist, I pointed it out, they didn't have it.... I was booted.
[23:32] <home> hey guys
[23:32] <Mehhh> Same thing i'm looking for every night des2
[23:32] <[SLB]> no
[23:32] <home> can someone order me a raspberry pi?
[23:32] <[SLB]> ops.
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[23:32] <Gorroth> sup all
[23:32] <midnightyell> Attempting to take over the world?
[23:32] <Gorroth> mission in progress
[23:32] <Mehhh> Mini male HDMI to micro female hdmi
[23:32] <home> I want to know if someone will buy me a raspbery pi :D
[23:32] <des2> ok
[23:33] <home> on ehre :P
[23:33] <Mehhh> in the USA
[23:33] <home> or should I start a fund, hmm
[23:33] <des2> order the chinese version already.
[23:33] <simula> where do you live mehhh?
[23:33] <Gorroth> home: go on kickstarter; no one here will do it
[23:33] <Mehhh> I don't have three weeks
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[23:33] <midnightyell> I only buy things for 22 year old dancers with daddy issues
[23:33] <home> Gorroth: Good idea!
[23:33] <Mehhh> Need it done before vacation :D
[23:33] <simula> with the time limit i can't help you
[23:33] <home> midnightyell: What? and around you the guy that recommeded me LTIB
[23:34] <home> my img didn't work :/
[23:34] <home> arent you*
[23:34] <midnightyell> I am
[23:34] <Gorroth> midnightyell: shit, i'll buy for them up until age 29
[23:34] <Gorroth> but mostly between 22 and 27
[23:34] <midnightyell> at 29 the daddy issues are usually resolved
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[23:34] <Gorroth> oh, not always
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[23:34] <midnightyell> Yes; I recommended ltib; what happened with your image?
[23:35] <midnightyell> not always, true
[23:35] <Mehhh> If they have daddy issues, why aren't they buying you a RaspPi?
[23:35] <midnightyell> that's a fair point
[23:35] <home> midnightyell: Kerne panic....can you write up a tutorial for me :D
[23:35] <midnightyell> though you have to give a little back
[23:35] <Gorroth> because that's not how daddy issues work
[23:35] <home> meh, I need a 2000 dollar worth of items :/
[23:35] <midnightyell> did you build the cutdown kernel or the standard one?
[23:36] <Mehhh> Wow, i've been extremely sexist then. Must be mommy issues.
[23:36] <home> midnightyell: I don't know
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[23:36] <home> midnightmagic: I just chose and chose
[23:36] <home> midnightmagic: new to this :d
[23:36] <midnightyell> the default is the standard kernel
[23:36] <home> then probably yes
[23:36] <Gorroth> if they have mommy issues, you probably aren't with them, they're into the "fairer sex" :)
[23:36] <midnightyell> You followed the instructions at http://midnightyell.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/the-first-cut-is-the-deepest/
[23:36] <midnightyell> ?
[23:37] <Mehhh> You're assuming I don't look androgynous
[23:37] <Mehhh> :P
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[23:37] <midnightyell> I don't buy squat for androgynous people
[23:37] <Mehhh> :\
[23:37] <Gorroth> me either
[23:37] <maicod> mignightyell: when I use ssh to the Pi from ubuntu I don't get to see the black lines
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[23:37] <maicod> mignightyell: I don't know which putty setting needs to be changed
[23:37] <midnightyell> maicod: sounds like a putty config issue then
[23:38] <maicod> yea
[23:38] <midnightyell> change the string that putty reports as the term type
[23:38] <maicod> it says xterm now
[23:38] <home> meh
[23:38] <maicod> what should I try
[23:38] <midnightyell> settings, terminal, *handwave handwave*
[23:38] <maicod> ?
[23:38] <Gorroth> i've only used my pi like one time
[23:38] <home> midnightmagic: I don't want to compile it again, and having it fail on me
[23:38] <Gorroth> i need to use it more
[23:38] <maicod> TERM=vt102 mc didnt work right
[23:38] <home> Gorroth: LOL, its getting better all the time
[23:38] <midnightyell> xterm, color-xterm
[23:38] <maicod> ok lemme see
[23:38] <Gorroth> well, i have the most recent raspbian on it
[23:39] <midnightyell> well, it only rebuilds the parts of the kernel that need rebuilding
[23:39] <Gorroth> i really wish it came with usb serial on it so i could view it over a serial interface instead of either on the network or over a TV
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[23:39] <midnightyell> so if you go from "don't build a kernel" to using the default one, it will only build that
[23:39] <mhz> 512m pi??
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[23:40] <simula> 512
[23:40] <mhz> mmmm powaa
[23:40] <maicod> mignightyell: it complains inside the putty connection shell that color-xterm isnt known
[23:40] <home> midnightmagic: I changed some stuff in the kernel, don't need the wireless stuff
[23:40] <maicod> midnightyell: maybe there's a list online of which terminal types I can choose from so I can test them all?
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[23:42] <Gorroth> my pi has 256 :(
[23:42] <midnightyell> maicod: Got me; I used to look in /etc/termcap
[23:42] <Gorroth> i want mo' powa too
[23:42] <maicod> ah maybe I can do that :PPP
[23:42] <maicod> lemme see
[23:42] <midnightyell> not there
[23:42] <maicod> if the pi has something like it
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[23:44] <maicod> midnightyell: terminfo ?
[23:44] <eix> {distcc chronicles} now my problem is that slave is not running what it should
[23:44] <eix> but time for another adventure..bye! thanks for the help!
[23:46] <Gorroth> wayland is about to reach 1.0 status. maybe in a few more months it'll start showing up on distros
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[23:46] <midnightyell> Try Putty's Configuration menu: Window -> Translation -> Received data assumed to be in which character set -> UTF-8
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[23:49] <maicod> yeah the remote character set is UTF-8
[23:50] <maicod> your putty version names it different under 4317])
[23:50] <maicod> <midnightyell> Try Putty's Configuration menu: W
[23:50] <maicod> sorry
[23:50] <maicod> your putty version names it different under Window -> Translation ->
[23:51] <midnightyell> maicod: try TERM=ansi mc
[23:51] <maicod> OK
[23:51] <maicod> did not help
[23:51] <maicod> its still giving the black lines
[23:52] <midnightyell> in Terminal-> Change "Answerback to ^E to xterm
[23:53] <midnightyell> in Terminal-> Change "Answerback to ^E" to xterm
[23:53] <{-0-}> how can I tell what version firmware I have installed at the moment? ./vcgencmd version gives me "VCHI initialization failed"
[23:53] <midnightyell> I hate unclosed quotes...
[23:54] <{-0-}> running strings on start.elf, vcgencmd etc gives nothing useful looking
[23:54] <maicod> midnightyell: it still gives the black lines
[23:54] <midnightyell> dunno what to tell you; maybe putty to an ubuntu box, then ssh to the pi?
[23:55] <maicod> thanks for all your ideas so far
[23:56] <maicod> midnightyell: I was looking in the dirs in /usr/share/terminfo to see what kind of terminals there are but its alot to look at
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[23:58] <rikkib> vt100 was one of the original ansi term types

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